Sandra Cantu #3 4/15/09 -4/27/09

[Izzy58]

Sounds like this Johnny may also be of an unquestionable character since it seems like he packs up and flees everytime he racks up debt. Oh and in the court records for his medical bills it also states he has changed his name to JOHN L Huckaby......hmmm trying to run and hide from something?

[Deenie]

snipped Tracygirl
Deenie I do believe the story MH told about not having Internet access was meant as she didn't have access at the church where she was.
Grandma Lawless may not be one of the abusers but may be the enabler. Sort of like the person who ignores the big elephant in the room and cleans up after everyone. That is what I get from her. Her husband on the other hand....I get a strange vibe from him. He is always quiet and seems people do the talking for him. At first I thought maybe he was suffering from dementia but I have heard me speak, he does not have it from what I can tell. There is something in his eyes, not sure if it is anger at what his grand daughter did or what. I can't put my finger on it.
I can't explain it, but he is on my radar as well as Fred Williams.
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Thank you TG.
I agree with you - that Grandma Lawless is blind to what is - and Has had a HUGE Elephant in her life that she has become accustomed to..that As you said she herself is an Enabler. I totally believe that. Yet there is a time and a place when the Glass breaks ..that you have to stand up and tell the Truth. And she Lied. She lied about Sandra and that to me is unforgivable. She lied and agreed with MH's Statement that Sandra had been turned away, due to Madison could not play. When she knew Madison was not even there. If my facts are wrong ..then I am wrong. I too have a weird vibe off of Pastor Lawless. I do not trust his words nor his character. Just because you have a label of Pastor does not mean anything to me. Not when you have no followers of your church to speak of known. That he has no one to stand up for his Character .. No one of his so called congregation has come forward for him .. to say anything good, bad or indifferent - Only One person did speak for him and that was Melissa Huckaby (which was leave him alone to LE) . Fred is a huge part of this as well. He has not been a focus as of yet. He will be.
Irregardless - It to me all comes down to one thing - and that is if you have a clear conscience the truth will never be disputed. And all the words that come from the Lawless Family & Fred are all in dispute.

I know you TG of all people that have been in Sandra's cages - you Joined for Sandra, because Your heart, and I know you seek justice not only for Sandra but for you and your community. My heart is with you. I am so glad your here. Your contributions bring Comfort. Your words mean a lot

[Tracygirl]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19185819/detail.html

Cantu Mourned At Private Tracy Funeral
Woman Accused Of Killing Sandra Cantu

POSTED: 5:57 am PDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm PDT April 15, 2009

TRACY, Calif. -- A private funeral was held in Tracy Wednesday for slain 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.
Many of those in attendance at Fry Memorial Chapel wore a ribbon with a picture of the girl.

Outside of the chapel, the child's casket was placed in a horse-drawn carriage and taken to Tracy Mausoleum.

That horse drawn carraige got me....
Rest in peace sweet little Sandra. Our town will never forget you.

Thanks maven for posting that, and Tracygirl that horse drawn carriage got me also. What a beautiful idea though, I can just imagine how many people were at the funeral, and tomorrow, the public memorial, I'm sure will be packed.

I was going to the memorial, now i have to work:( I was told if a person wanted to get in to get there very early. I was going to go at 10.

[Maven]

Online memorial for Sandra Renee Cantu:

Fry Memorial Chapel
http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

 

[leslee]

Sounds like this Johnny may also be of an unquestionable character since it seems like he packs up and flees everytime he racks up debt. Oh and in the court records for his medical bills it also states he has changed his name to JOHN L Huckaby......hmmm trying to run and hide from something?

His creditors 

[fatcatlurker]

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

No you aren't the only one, several of us have shared and shared our feelings on that. 

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

Flossy I am not excluding this just waiting on LE seems like there would be some other evidence present if anyone else was involved.  Evidence at church,shed, suitcase, something from her home?  All I know is police have a suspect and a known crime scene and are saying no one else is involved and are not looking for anyone else.  So could they be throwing her under the bus for someone else or a whole ring...IDK.

[Deenie]

She plays with Angels now~ she is Loved

[N2WISHN]

If in fact she is proven guilty, then in my eyes she is a monster. If she played ANY part in the demise of Sandra she is still a monster.

I do understand that, N2WISHN.  How very hard this must be for Sandra's family, waiting for justice.  Am thinking if it were me, it would be hard to hold me back, ya know? 

For example, I believe that Jessica Lunsford's dad showed great patience and restraint during trial.  Am thinking I would have hopped over that rail many times to take things into my own hands.  Sigh. 

I am so over the edge in the manner Sandra was abused and then thrown in that filthy pond. And if in fact it was Sandra's trusted Sunday School teacher and neighbor she was friends with make it all the worse. Mark Lunsford really did contain himself and one can only try to imagine the violent emotions he had to deal with considering I'm dealing with such venom within myself and I didn't even know Sandra.

[Catbert]

 

Finding Johnny will be interesting as he may have dirt on the Lawless crew

[no rose colored glasses]

Online memorial for Sandra Renee Cantu:

Fry Memorial Chapel
http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

 

Thank-you

[Wyks]

Am I the only one who still has the weird porn ring/cult type of feeling about this one?  I'm not sure if there's been anything new that I don't know about.  (I didn't see anything in this new thread, unless I just missed something!)

No you aren't the only one, several of us have shared and shared our feelings on that. 

I know that several of us have talked about it for a while, I just thought I was sensing a change of heart or direction at the beginning of this new thread since some of the focus was on a possible mental illness, etc.   Just a quick barometer check!

I hear ya Flossy!  As new info is released, we get to tweak our theories and include that info somehow.  The focus may be on understanding the new info at the moment, which maybe is why it feels different to you.  I still have the porn ring/cult thing as my topmost theory, and a possible mental illness and being on meds only adds into that theory.  IMO.  Am betting before this is over, we'll be finding out a lot that adds into it all. 

And yet, as others have said, *if* it's proven out that Melissa did this alone, or had a hand in it, no matter what info is added as time goes on, still doesn't IMO excuse her for whatever part she may have played in it. 

There are many folks everywhere who are dealing with some sort of issues from their past, on or off meds, who still manage to make the right choices in life, without bringing harm to anyone else.  Choices bring consequences, good or bad.  IMO. 
 

[Tracygirl]

snipped Tracygirl
Deenie I do believe the story MH told about not having Internet access was meant as she didn't have access at the church where she was.
Grandma Lawless may not be one of the abusers but may be the enabler. Sort of like the person who ignores the big elephant in the room and cleans up after everyone. That is what I get from her. Her husband on the other hand....I get a strange vibe from him. He is always quiet and seems people do the talking for him. At first I thought maybe he was suffering from dementia but I have heard me speak, he does not have it from what I can tell. There is something in his eyes, not sure if it is anger at what his grand daughter did or what. I can't put my finger on it.
I can't explain it, but he is on my radar as well as Fred Williams.
-
Thank you TG.
I agree with you - that Grandma Lawless is blind to what is - and Has had a HUGE Elephant in her life that she has become accustomed to..that As you said she herself is an Enabler. I totally believe that. Yet there is a time and a place when the Glass breaks ..that you have to stand up and tell the Truth. And she Lied. She lied about Sandra and that to me is unforgivable. She lied and agreed with MH's Statement that Sandra had been turned away, due to Madison could not play. When she knew Madison was not even there. If my facts are wrong ..then I am wrong. I too have a weird vibe off of Pastor Lawless. I do not trust his words nor his character. Just because you have a label of Pastor does not mean anything to me. Not when you have no followers of your church to speak of known. That he has no one to stand up for his Character .. No one of his so called congregation has come forward for him .. to say anything good, bad or indifferent - Only One person did speak for him and that was Melissa Huckaby (which was leave him alone to LE) . Fred is a huge part of this as well. He has not been a focus as of yet. He will be.
Irregardless - It to me all comes down to one thing - and that is if you have a clear conscience the truth will never be disputed. And all the words that come from the Lawless Family & Fred are all in dispute.

I know you TG of all people that have been in Sandra's cages - you Joined for Sandra, because Your heart, and I know you seek justice not only for Sandra but for you and your community. My heart is with you. I am so glad your here. Your contributions bring Comfort. Your words mean a lot

Thank you very much, how sweet of you to say.

[Deenie]

If in fact she is proven guilty, then in my eyes she is a monster. If she played ANY part in the demise of Sandra she is still a monster.

I do understand that, N2WISHN.  How very hard this must be for Sandra's family, waiting for justice.  Am thinking if it were me, it would be hard to hold me back, ya know? 
For example, I believe that Jessica Lunsford's dad showed great patience and restraint during trial.  Am thinking I would have hopped over that rail many times to take things into my own hands.  Sigh. 

I am so over the edge in the manner Sandra was abused and then thrown in that filthy pond. And if in fact it was Sandra's trusted Sunday School teacher and neighbor she was friends with make it all the worse. Mark Lunsford really did contain himself and one can only try to imagine the violent emotions he had to deal with considering I'm dealing with such venom within myself and I didn't even know Sandra.

Your not alone. Mark Lunsford, Marc Klaas both had to face the Person that took their Babies away.. in a court room. They kept themselves in check and I have to say that I commend them for that.
Because they both Men, Put first who they are, and that is their Girl's Daddy's ...and they held their last string of composure for two Reasons - Jessica and Polly.

[klaasend]

Online memorial for Sandra Renee Cantu:

Fry Memorial Chapel
http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

 

[fatcatlurker]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.

Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

[klaasend]

Finding Johnny will be interesting as he may have dirt on the Lawless crew

I hadn't looked at it that way....yes, you're right!

[Deenie]

I signed Sandra's book, I hope others here will too.

[klaasend]

[k9ohana]

Oh my

[Tracygirl]

I just feel like if a man had committed this crime we wouldn't be looking for porn rings, drug/medication issues, accomplices, past sexual abuse problems, etc etc we would have him hung already.
Yet I know how very rare this is and how hard it is to come to terms with in my mind so it makes it that much harder to deal with my anger and I can't help but call it how I see it.

I think the porn ring would be an easier concept if it were a man. I mean I know women look at porn just as a man does, but this is about children??? WTH? Then she is a mother for gosh sakes. that is what stuns me more then her being a volunteer sunday school teacher or her neighbor, she is a mother. As a mother how could she do this? Thats my anger point.