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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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First time.

Rita: We have heard from the family chief that Joran stated that she was going in and out of consciousness, did you see that anywhere?

    Dompig: Yes, that is definitely in the statements.
http://rjames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Why was she doing that?  Joran SAID she wasn't drunk and knew what she was doing.

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an email to me from Yvonne- list of cops and officials involved in Max's case. There are more, but she didn't have them all handy when she sent this.

Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo.

Adolf Cruz from Search and Rescue - 297 - 962 - 1380

V.D. Stuater. (Appears to be a cop, phone number - 297 - 587 - 0009 Polis Station.)

P.B. Seute - Police Officer

Debra Bolten - U.S. Council.

Mr. Vera - Hotel Security.

Beach Patrol - 297 - 586 - 3003

well, sometimes when things are looking like you cant find the answers to the questions that you need answers to..... the only thing to do is keep looking  8)

i know from personal experience that sometimes you just cant find what you need but if you keep looking you will find it

its not easy, its there
and in this case it is RIGHT in FRONT of everyone but some are simply refusing to see it....

its coming, sometimes you have to draw the map, sometimes you have to point out the obvious and sometimes you have to JAM it DOWN their THROATS....

the DUTCH are gonna do some JAMMING
 :twisted:

IS JORAN A SEXUAL PREDATOR:
(note: some links do not work now, but you get the picture)

Exhibit A: JORAN'S HOT OR NOT WEBSITE
http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GMOLKLR


Exhibit B: HUNTING FOR UNSUSPECTING TOURIST GIRLS
It is titled "Joran and Deepak Hunting".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/


Exhibit C: JORAN'S SCREEN NAME
loverboy362

Exhibit D: JORAN'S WEBSITE
http://zorpia.com/cgi/member.cgi?username=loverboy362&s=comments&start=10


Exhibit E: JORAN SAYS HE HAS DONE IT 20 TIMES BEFORE

Twitty says the young woman told her, like Natalee, she had met Joran van der Sloot and his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, in an Aruban bar while on vacation.

A young, beautiful, blonde 18-year-old tourist, she happened to be at Carlos and Charlie's late; it was getting close to closing time," said Twitty.

Twitty described the anonymous witness account of a night at the same bar Natalee was last seen at, driving away with the three young men. How Joran was continuously scoping Carlos and Charlie's.

"He approaches these three tourists and it's just interesting how he just instantly begins to try to connect with, begin to try to relate with them," Twitty said. "And he was telling these girls that those are his gambling buddies, that they play poker together. And then he proceeds to lean across the bar and tell the bartender, "I need four shots of 151.' He just leans across the bar; the bartender just lines up four shots of 151. These girls had no idea. It makes me wonder, is this the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time? A shot of 151? I wish Natalee would have been able to see that those three were tightly connected. She didn't have that privilege. All she thought was she was getting into an Aruban cab. She didn't have a chance. She didn't stand a chance."
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/1652701.html



Exhibit F: Unknown Girl - Aruba - Her Mother Reports To Linda Allison That Joran Threatened Daughter With Knife At C&CH's When She Rebuffed His Attentions

Exhibit G: Joran’s website:
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923



Exhibit H: http://www.saintleo.edu/SaintLeo/Templates/Inner.aspx?pid=75

Joran said he was accepted to this university.


Exhibit I: JORAN'S ADDITIONAL WEBSITE TO LURE WOMEN

Joran had posted on this website that he was going to Michigan. (the website was taken down, but I have a screenshot of it).
http://umichigan.thefacebook.com/search.php?query-Joran&do-search=

Afternoon Monkeys

Anna wrote:

It's him. What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?


Maybe it was the other person living in Paulypusses head. Wonder what name the alter ego goes by????

This is what pathological liars do, some of the lie is true, rest of it is not.

Natalee wasn't drunk up until he drugged her drink.

YES, YES, YES robots.

Dutch need to stop the cover up and start the arrests (plural)

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Thanks Rob.

I was just reading over some of TJ Wards statements and he is convinced that ALE may have gotten the wrong car in custody. Last week, one of the monkies posted pictures of the Kalpoe car, one showing 5 spoke wheels, the next showing six spoke wheels. I also recall mirrors before and after were different. Could we take another look at those?

lol yapperz

Aruban Law Enforcement  Jacobs

I had begun to realize that any evidence that went through Jacobs
never seemed to make its way to Holland. It was either disregarded
or it disappeared. I mentioned the cross to Jacobs, and he did not
think anything of it.
Dave Holloway....Aruba.......page 178

WAKE UP HOLLAND - COVER-UP

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Maybe that's the long lost Marco we have heard about in the book?

 :D

Opus at BFN posted that :wink:

I was reading at the BBC about Madeleine McCann, and thought this statement was interesting. It supports what we've been saying about the Dutch inspectors not sharing information.

"Why don't Portuguese police release more information to the media and the public?

All criminal cases in Portugal - and elsewhere in much of Europe - are governed by the law of judicial secrecy.

This means that once a criminal investigation is under way, police cannot reveal anything about that investigation, including any details about potential suspects.

Any leaks could jeopardise a trial."

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6634283.stm

The photo's were posted here a few days back, would like to see them again

Kermit
i figure there is at least 1 and perhaps several people that are from the DUTCH team that are honest and things will get ugly (thats a shame,NOT)
and the truth is coming out

i would even bet MY new shoes on it  8)

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I meant to tell you earlier that you look DELICIOUS in your new shoes. They look so great that I can see them from here.  :wink:

the "hog"


OMG

ROFL

LAMO

cant breathe

help

stick a fork in the sloot


 8)

why thank you

they are size 11 and i usually only wear size9.5 -10 but i was told by the
clerk that reeboks run small

either that or im a growing robots at age 87  :lol:

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Don Juan Pauly

This also kinda blows Nadira's - it was Satish's first time out with his big brother, and he even took a shower and got dressed up and paced around waiting for him to get home from work.

Satish knew what was up.

Rob

Would you please post the two close-up photos of Paulus' hairline ... one image from the casino and ... the other taken at his residence on the day he encountered Beth Twitty and Gret.

TIA

Janet

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JMO

Anna, you just couldnt resist could you  :twisted:



 :wink:

No, Robots, you are completely irresistible!

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** note ** I am in a particularly badddddah mood today.. since I read that crap earlier.

Please feel free to tell me to STFU!

youre so funny,  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
maybe i will buy you some new shoes  8)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI...6/09/ng.01.html
June 9, 2005

LEJUEZ: Well, both the statement that I`ve read from two of this young boys state very clearly that they dropped her off at the hotel at approximately 2 o`clock in the morning. She got out of the car. She was under the influence of alcohol. And then they saw her walk through the front door of the hotel inside the lobby.

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DEAD RINGER  :x

Me, too, Rob.  Started my day off all wrong.

Now my water heater is making a strange hissing noise like it is going to blow!  Awaiting the plumber.  

Today sucks!

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CROAK

I just spit take on my computer screen - gotta go get something to clean this up.

Carpe- where are you? will you do an over lay of the casino and the front gate?

Hey Rob - STFU

(Just kidding)  :lol:  :smt043

 :oops:

LOL

bad bad bad BT GIRL  8)  :lol:

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And if you look at that photo fully you will see the crease in his shirt on his right arm matches exactly (thank you Widget).

Thanks Klaas.

I thought Rob had posted even closer images ... images that only showed the top of Paulus' head.

Janet

Hisssing ????? :shock:

better check for a SNAKE  8)
 or maybe paulus is slithering around your neighborhood  :twisted:

:jocolor:

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Photo - digitally shot by Blondeonahd from Fox News TV report


NOTICE THE WATCH MATCHES PAULUS VAN DER SLOOTS:
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Seems to be coming from some sort of valve and is like steam.  Sure hope it's not Paulus.  Will BOLO just in case with my trusty Marlin 12 ga.

 :D

statistically

the odds of someone looking like paulus with the same shirt, same greasy hair line, same watch, same smell and the son who is the PRIME SUSPECT all being at the same table on the same night that Natalee disappears..


zillion to one

its him, the elephant in the pimp mobile is stinking up the car

easy as apple pie  8)

So now what are the odds of "some guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at the same table, hitting on Natalee and wearing Paulus shirt AND watch with the same male pattern baldness in progress?

Any mathematicians in the crowd?  Doesn't take one, does it!

 :evil:

This photo in front of the Kalpoe home - taken from a screen capture of a news video early in the case:

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Not sure when this one was taken, but it looks like a different car.  

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I believe in the casino video Natalee is talking on a phone. Has anyone ever considered that the phone belongs to Paulus?

Wouldn't the car have been changed before going into police custody?

Top photo looks like black door handles.

What fails with these descriptions of Natalee’s drinking on that last night is that it is overblown.  If she was pouring down that volume of booze, there is no way she would have walked into that casino looking so coherent.  She also would not have been sitting at that blackjack with complete control of her faculties.

In their attempt to paint a picture of Natalee as being an out of control, drunk they have taken it too far and the story becomes incredulous.  

What a bunch of swine!!!!!!

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Does the front bumper differ on those two cars, or is that just a shadow?

I completely agree.

just a reminder - Miss Piggy is a swine  :pig:  :pig:  :pig:  :pig:

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the rear of the car in the top photo looks higher than the other photo

Anybody have carpes pic of Papito Towing hauling off deepak's car????????

As old and +++++++ as I am, I knew they had the right car.  It just was not the car that Natalee was in.  They had the car to prove the Sporter's innocence, which for them, was the right car.  Bastages.  What is the MF having to say today?  No mortar to fork.

Her wrist is bigger than my thighs.  You are right about her being a porker.

The top picture isnt clear enough, but these two cars look somewhat different, I cant say for sure but there are differences.

The image from NY where he is cowering in a chair under the dictation of the transparent pig is a good comparison.  Just look at the hairline and the sullen, sagging jawline.

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Also notice that Natalee appears to be frowning and not really pleased about this conversation...

Well, you remember they did make a point to say Paulus had Anita's phone.  Always thought it was strange for them to mention that.

I'd like to have a list of all those who "lost" or had phones "stolen" right around Natalee's disapearance.

The bottom car appears to have some kind of added trim piece along the floor board below the doors.  The top one doesn't have that.

I agree silverfox, in fact, in the video you can see that she pulls back away from him ....the way girls do when confronted with a creep.

I think I see what you are seeing and glad you asked that question.  I thought my eyes were deceiving me.

Yep... totally different car.... older model in the top... sorta jacked up in the back....well... door handles different.... hell, everything is different...

The phone belonged to one of the MB kids who passed it around and that is the phone Natalee was using.

(confirmed)

Kermit - do you know when that photo of the silver car in front of the VDS was taken?  They look like the same care to me, the one in front of tha Kalpoes and the Sloots.

These are different cars.  Black door handles on one and not on the other.  The Front end of the one parked in front of K2's has a boxy shape, not as pointed as the bottom photo.

I figured that Kermit

Looks like we might have a somewhat lowered chassis in the original Deepak car from the one that was sent off.  My guess is they either rented a car for the evening and returned it before dawn and swapped out or they rented a car to send off.  One way or the other, I believe these are two different vehicles.  The reason for the tinted windows was so that no one could see the activities within the car.  I expect this is common or Criminal Island a/k/a Aruba.

The top one has totally different wheels or hub cabs than the one in the reenactment.

Did Deepak ever sell the car?

Thank you Kermit.

The car they were towing away did not have the black door handles.

Klaas:

Do you have that Pic of Papito Towing services towing Deepak's car?? I cant find it!!

Exactly.....hello, where are the tinted windows we all thought meant something early on in the case.....I HAVE ALWAYS SAID and thought that the car they checked for forensics was NOT DEPACKSSSSSSSS CAR.......DAMNNNNN...can we prove it, prob. not and even if Monkeys prove it, who will listen and care. Anyone here understan what I am saying here.????? :twisted: DAMNnnnnnnnnnnn......

The front grills are different.

looks like car on top has emblem - or decoration -- in center of grill.

imo.

Look on page 2 or 3 of this thread

No I havent seen the pic I am talking about posted..God its frustrating when people ignore posts..lol

Well, you know those people at Automotive Enterprises can do magic tricks.  I suspect they just totally swapped out cars for a fee.

The gray car out side of the Kalpoe house in the pic that looks like the car could be Nadira's....the one next to the yellow wall.

I don't think that is the car from the rock area either.

Not verbatim but the car was described to the kids at the beach, we already had the information for them when we arrived.  The car was described to the kids as silver, tinted windows, loud muffler, loud stereo.  The kids said it was Joran's.

Nah..... that would spoil it.  I think you just have to say  "I'm mad as hell about this".  To do otherwise, is to deny your feelings.

If it's any consolation, I remember the photo you are talking about...it's been posted here a few times.....very similar to the picture Klaas posted on page 2 w/car being put on flatbed tow truck...I just don't have it saved...

From the puffiness of those fingers, I would wager to say she may need a diuretic....

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Maybee carpe photoshopped the pic for all i know? Coulda sworn you could see Papito towing..Towing deepaks's car.

I think the grille looks different.  The top one seems to have a logo or something in the middle.  The bottom one doesn't have the same thingie.....

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Thanks.  I was getting skeered that a phone discusion might exceed the previous discussion of those items which nearly got Robots kicked out of the store......for inpersonating a detective.......


(Like I'm not still just screaming over the tetanus shot :lol:

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I think this has already been posted, just wanted to see if this one would show up more clear.

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I'd help ya if I could.  Honest.   The other pic of the car on the tow truck has a fat guy standing in front of the tire.....

Those are two different cars and license plates.

Hello?

 8)

what exactly do you mean by "IMPERSONATING"

im not a detective ????? 8)

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Robots, you know I love you.  You are such a day brightener for me.  I hadn't even gotten around to explaining to my DH why you were outside in the middle of the nite, and had to get a tetanus shot, etc., when you went to the shoe store for research!  

I was sitting in the guest room with the computer just howling!

I realize that..Thats why I posted it..lol

I am just frustrated right now trying to find Carpes Photo of Papito Towing Services towing deepaks car. Trying to work at same time :(

maybe its better if he doesnt know  8)

he might think you are hanging out with LUNATICS  :lol:

not that im one...but you know how someof the other poster here can be   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

i love you too  8)

the numbers are the same Peaches... the colors of the plates change every year.

Thanks Anna - I think that's the one they were looking for.  I saved it too just now.

Thanks Rob

I had missed your post.  These are the close-up images I was referring.  Yours and Klaas' comparison photos' leave no doubt that Paulus' was at the black jack table conversing with Natalee Holloway.  Joran and Paulus  claimed he had left the casino during the poker tournament ... prior to Joran connecting up with Natalee and friends.

I somehow feel family are well aware of the truth regarding the casino recording.  However ... I am thankful that, according to Klaas, Red has forwarded all this info on to them.

A day is coming when the family will no longer be silent regarding the corrupt investigation that has put them through a H--- on Earth and ... denied their precious Natalee justice.

Janet


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'

TWITTY: ... these three kids are predators. If they let them walk on this island after what Beth and I know, there's a lot of information that we have that we cannot share, because it would jeopardize the investigation. But if they let them walk, we can share it. And it would be devastating.

The United States, the world will be amazed.


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: ... Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'  

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, and I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.


'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. And I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

Changing out a license plate is no big deal.  Crooks of lesser intent do it all the time.  This would be a no-brainer for a liar like Joran.  He tbinks in his warped brain that he has committed the perfect murder.  No, it's not a perfect murder; its' just that the ones who should have been investigating and prosecuting were paid off by Posner & Paulus, to keep Posner from violating any laws, because that could certainly call for him to be returned to the big house where all his girlfriends have probably aged and now there are bigger bubba's there.

The towed vehicle had six spoke wheels, tinted windows, and silver door handles.

To me, the biggest loser and the dirtiest hand in all this is Posner, not because he is raping young girls and not because he gives a chit about the vanderSloots but what all could be uncovered within and around Aruba regards his connection trafficking, corrpution, money laundering, drugs, his former and more connections to organized crime, perhaps even to Chavez, and that is where the money is pouring in for the Sloots.  The goofy Refugees taking their money and turning it over to Tacop and Joran must give them a big laugh for they know all they could rake and scrape would not be enough to buy a nice suit for Posner.

Peaces .... Tamikosmom was a sqeeeeelin!

Hi Robots  :)

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This vehicle has five spoke wheels, and two-piece mirror supports. Is this supposed to be the same car used in the reinactment, one year later?

June 9, 2005

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 8)
 :wink:

I thought Papito towing hauled the Sloot Red vehicle away. I am thinking it is a Suzuki?

IT'S HIM!  Bastard.  I'm with Rob - in a particularly pissed off mood after reading Joran's BS.  

WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE JUSTICE IN THIS CASE???   :twisted:

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That's what I was thinking, Yapz, but they were done on or around the same dates and times.  I think the one that Anna posted is the one I recall of the silver car.

only one looks to have the door protector strip.

What is the source of this photo, impounded or reinactment?

Annie, I missed you for so lung, but it is so good to see you here now.  After reading Joran's statements, I see what a transparent sociopath he really is, and how anyone could believe him is obvious; they are involved or have monetary gain by pretending to believe him.  He and his whole family appear to be of low moral character and they more so for allowing him to run as free as a rabid beast.

Spock I may be wrong but I thought that was the impounded car.

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Yapperz,
That's what I remember as well~~Papito at the Sloots but don't recall ever seeing him with Deepak or whomever'scar that was hauled in as Deepak's.

Was a photo from newspaper I think but very high colors.

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Casino Video: PVDS Conclusively Lied

As we know from both jvds and paulus PV's, Paulus was supposed to be at home looking after Sebastian at the very time this casino video was shot.

Akin to the Kalpoe perjurious 5/31/05 "WITNESS" statements, wherein each Kalope brother confirms and ratifies via signature and under legal counsel, Intentionally False Testimony -- additional evidence of an "investigation" which has failed to followup obvious lies, and failed to prosecute obvious related crimes, for which there is actual evidence.

Amazing.

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Tyler - SO AGREE!!  And good to see you too!  I've been here lurking every day, however briefly.

I'm left thinking this: "If there's a God in heaven, what's he waiting for?"

How much more BS can go on?  And now this sociopathic liar/murderer has published a BOOK describing intimate details of his victim's earlier life (which he never knew and couldn't give a damn about) before she had the grand misfortune to run into his twisted ass!  

These people are DESPICABLE!!!!!!!!!!   :evil:

I think Posner is paying for Guido's attorney.  How else could they afford one of the most expensive lawyers in all of Europe?  He is looking after his own interest but little do they realize that he now owns Li'l Guido.

And his parents fear extradition for some reason.  I think somebody used that to scare them into doing whatever, with the cover up.  They are afraid of this country with it's death penalty.  All of them fear that but his parents wrote that rabidly anti-American letter thinly veiled referring to it.

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Fox News

June 15, 2005

Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property.

Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.

And Paulus lied under a witness status and was not yet a suspect when he was singing that song about going home.

Beth said all along that Natalee met BOTH Sloots in the casino.

She also said in one of her last interviews with Greta, have no date on that, from memory, that the INTERIOR of the car was changed out.

Not sure if she has proof or that is her opinion only on that.

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Ok - this treaty...does that mean that the FBI can ONLY pursue after a case is CLOSED?  That doesn't make much sense to me.  Seems like after a case goes cold, or depending on when they decide, they Should be able to investigate, given enough time has lapsed to allow for a country to do their own investigating (I know, I know)  But you would think there would not be that kind of loophole in this treaty.  What good would that treaty be if the foreign country can decide WHEN the FBI were to get involved?  Seems there would be a time limit for the other country to act and then the FBI can get involved....Am I blabbering?

Afternoon Monkeys, just want to say these to pics side-by-side are the comparison, and leave no doubt the man in the casino is Paulus.

I was disappointed Art Wood didn't say

DIG UP THE POOL!  Or talk about that.

Maybe Dana can have him on again to discuss just that as he is the only person I know who talked to the man who did the back hoe work and the concrete evidently.

ROB,
Are you in touch with TJ?  Did he talk to the one who did the concrete work as well?  Maybe he could add something if he did.

.

I don't think he has mentioned the concrete....I'll ask him.

Ahhaa..Thats probably what I was thinking about..Papito towing towed PVDS jeep!!

I thought I just read yesterday that the backhoe guy did not do the concrete work.

*******- what are the chances that the cop that is at the scene has the nickname 'Papito' and the tow truck has the same name?

Thank you Kermit - I was just looking for that one!

I know it..Me and Carpe have talked about this!! Carazy!!!!

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I'm behind so forgive me but wanted to say I agree with robots because that is the first thing I noticed.

Did they "investigate" the right car, or did they take the same model and put chocolate syrup and cleaning fluid in it so that's all the Dutch would find?

The door handles look black in the top one as opposed to the bottom one.

Honestly, I don't put anything past what happened here. I really could believe that since witnesses had seen "bloodstains" in Deepak's car that the whole thing was "switched" and stains made of chocolate and cleaning fluid were placed there to account for what had been seen.

BLOOD IN DEEPAK'S CAR? PROOF POSITIVE!!!
May 10, 2007

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/05/blood-in-deepaks-car-proof-positive.html

The tire rims are much bigger in the bottom photo. Less tire shows.

“I was astonished, especially when I heard for what reason”, said Kock. “They want to use Deepak’s car and so give the program a reproduction that is as real as possible. You would think that the OM can rent a similar car, or show a picture of it.”

Good one, Tami! It also says in Dave's book that Oduber acknowledged that there was blood in Deepak's car.

I found this photo labeled as "impounded" in an earlier post. This isn't Deepak's vehicle, different rims and mirrors. Klaas, do you have an idea where this photo came from. Could this be someone else's vehicle?

those cars dont even have the same license plate.  Tis does not necessarily mean that Deepak, Satish, et al are trying to pull one over on us with the car, it could just be the friggen media trying to pull one over on us.  They do it with picturs and video every day.  I wouldnt trust any pictures from the media.

This appears to be taken at the same location - look at the license plate:

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Ask MF.  Mortar forker.

I been thinking what you are saying.

These is NO DOUBT that that is Paulus.  Posner did not want us to know that.

You are very correct regarding this blah. Here is another example of such. The media is reporting o a white Jeep Suzuki, and then reports that this type vehicle was confiscated from the Sloots. As far as I remember.....Sloots didn't own a white Jeep. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, earlier tonight, just a couple of hours ago, some new information coming to us in this case. Defense attorneys for the Kalpoe brothers confirmed to CNN that fishermen - - Aruban fishermen have told investigators that they did not see a couple matching the description of Natalee Holloway and Joran Van Der Sloot on the beach the night that Natalee was reported missing.

What they did see, however, was a white Suzuki on the beach. If you remember, a white Suzuki was one of the vehicles confiscated during a search of the Van Der Sloot home. This new information might have been responsible in part for the judge`s decision to keep Van Der Sloot in jail for another 60 days for questioning in this case. We don`t know if it had any bearing on his decision to release the Kalpoe brothers.
http://tinyurl.com/275sxz

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I agree Tyler.  This case was quite simple to figure out but it was the powers that be that made it difficult.

And for the second highlighted part :lol:  :lol: .

Anna, i was just wondering if you might have any opinions or thoughts on the missing shoe issue?  Any theories concerning size discrepancies or anything?

Yes they did.  It is no big deal to swap out cars.  My nephew said if he had to do it he could do it in two days with a buddy helping him.

ROFL

heeeheheheheehehhehhehehehehhehehehhe


CAN of WORMS  8)

Dayhiker- could it be possible that they had the white suzuki painted red?

shhhhhhhhhh

I'm just messin with her

 :wink:

she loves it

you better go into CAMO mode like this  8)

bleachedblack ... I am look for the quote.  However ... IIRC the reason given was that Deepak's vehicle had to be used as there was not another vehicle on the Island like it.  Apparently ... it had modification such as ... large mufflers, etc.

Janet

They often try to pass off pictures of something they think "is close enough" or will even doctor pictures for a story.  Hell they cant even get the story right most of the time let alone the pictures.

I have thought this many times Annie.

Today's O/T story:

I was on the computer and as you can see I was not in a good mood and posting my nasty stuff about the Van der Sloots because after reading all this stuff it just gets to you.  About a half hour later someone called on my phone and said they were calling neighbors and asked if I would like to attend a prayer session at my home :shock:  :lol:   I was quite nice in my response and said no thank you.

God must have been watching me :lol:

thanks for the tip, I didnt realize she was color blind

 8)

oh boy,,, im gonna come back here in INVISIBLE MODE  8)

Anna is Tiger ...watch out  :lol:

Meowwwwwwwwwwwww :twisted:

My nephew has to write a report about his life for school.  He has to incorporate a song that reflects his life.

He just played two songs and they are blasting.

One is That's Life by Frank Sinatra and the other is Bad to the bone :lol:  :lol: .

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

:shock:  :?:  :idea:

He sounds like he is related to San, right? :lol:

YOu do not even have to have long strands of hair for DNA testing.  That dead skin that flakes off your body that you cannot see is easily tested.  There would have been enough of her DNA to fill a petrie dish.

 :lol:  :lol:

GLENDA has not posted at RU or FOB in 7 days.  Is she:

1.  Being interrogated by the KLPD?
2.  Laying low until the KLPD leaves?
3.  Recooperating from some kind of plastic surgery?
4.  Sleeping it off after her last binge?

GMAB!  Deepak's car is the only one on that godforsaken island with loud mufflers?  

Pull on the other leg awhile!!!!

I wonder if the car Deepak was driving was really from his fathers lot.  I wonder if there were other cars like that on his lot.

Hopefully she is dead.

2, 3, and 4.

 :shock:

Dayhiker- I do not know if that car is in fact impounded. It is behind bars at the polis station, but I do not know for a fact.

I don't doubt that Deepaks car was involved. But  I would imagine there is likely to have been at least one other car involved in that nights crime. Since 2 of the Sloots cars were initially confiscated, I would imagine that one of them was involved.. .....just a surmise.

San - better watch it or you may get another wierd phone call,lol  :lol:

That is what I said very early on and we had some one in the rental business trying to figure out what their business is, other than a front for trafficking, etc.

As much fun as I am having, I am getting the boot here.....

Dogs to feed.

Trash to the curb.

Sort some laundry.

Feed the noisy bird.

Smoochies to all.

talk about misinformation campaigns.....

http://agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtCat=18

I hate to bring up the "L" word, but LVR also was alleged to have an auto rental place which he sold in august '05. Anything is possible

I'm actually in the mood to touch this, but I don't want to be banned. :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:

HAHAHA HEHEHE or Laying low with KLPD after boozing it up on her last binge. When they wouldn't buy the mis-info she tried to feed them......she went for plastic surgery so as not to be interrogated.

Where the heck is LaLa's?... She can Shango this. I know there is a sentence or two that deals with this.

Rob! You asking for Shango, what a suprise!

some +++++ from another board said I called them 5 million times... second hand of-course! it's funny because I didn't even want to speak to this person and after 20 begging PMs I gave in......Someone is drinkin da peroxide.

Weird phone calls seem to be on the menu!

Nothing gets by me!

Rob - so are you the one who called San?  LOLOLOL  :lol:

BB
me likes shango  :P  LOL

You remember ~ Treasure Island... ohhhh wait... different island!

Annie ... there is a God in heaven and ... in His perfect timing ... there will be justice for Natalee and .. there be peace for her family.  Think about it ... if we comprehended with our finite understanding ... the ways of an Absolute God ... He would not be God.  Make sense?  A small child ... as impatient as he may be ... bottom line ... he has complete faith and trust in the ways of his earthly father.  We are called upon to to what is right but ... as children of God we must learn to put our faith and trust in the ways of our Heavenly Father.  He knows how the Natalee Holloway story is going to end ... He is the author.

Janet

Psalm 37:7

Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for him to act.  Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.

is this her phone number? {{edit - not sure who's number it is but I'm deleting it anway :wink: }}

then yes.. it is ME!!!!!

 :D  :lol:  :D

OT

You guys notice this Australian version of Martin Van Pervert? Reminds me alot of the perv in thailand. Has some of the same girls as friends also. Sicko even had the nerve to post on that fake Natalee Tickle Site along with some goth freak.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=INY8g91ZWZyxmPaJ

Talismann:
Natalee, such a beautiful girl and intelligent too. Who siad Blondes are dumb. When Natalee graduates, for guys, visiting the doctor will be something to look forward to.

Oranjestad Choller House has a new resident! :D

IMO this would be where the K's went home and another car (the Sloots?, or guido's? or both ) came into the picture.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore.
This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.
So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons. (Bifrons = demon /monster)

How about Freddy using Jaime's car.

Wonder what car these escorts may have driven?
++++++++++++++++++

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Remember the question that was asked of Freddy?

Did Joran give you anything to hold?

What color car did Jaime have?.....a dark green Honda? were there any sightings of this car?

Correction I meant to say Jaime.

BB- that's good, but isn't there a piece that talks directly about how many vehicles?

Just great to see you.  Take care.

I think Simian made mention about swapped out cars and jacked up phones and computers -- hey, that was after the FBI said it, so Simian and Shango might have been parroting what we already were hearing.

Klaas, that was the Pocotenis law-firm IP.

LMAO!!!!!!

I'm on the floor!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You're making me think too hard, lol  :lol:

Inmates running the asylum

O/T

Do y'all think our Tiger has been to Mexico recently?  :shock:

"Tiger baby boom keeps Mexican zoo busy"

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It's a dark color.  I don't have a picture but Klaas does.

.....and then my favorite of all.....is this a reference to a special, pimped out car? namely Deepaks?

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What Mary thought
was MagicTransport
was nothing but
Tragic Mansport

My question has always been why the girlieman Guido sold his car so quickly.  Maybe Joran wanted a new ride, huh?  No, I doubt that.  I think Guido would have liked Satish better than Joran.  The only reason they said Joran was his girlfriend was to take the heat off Big Foot (apologies to Anna) and put it on someone else.  They made that goofball up for TV with Chris Cuomo and he looked like Ronald McDonald with that big fat red mouth and pootypatooty mascara and big-a**ed feet.  What a clown. All he needed was strikes and a ball and chain.

Deepak's car is a POS.  Big whoop he had a big stero system.  Come to New York and you will see that all over the place.

It's that dark green color, sort of forest green popular in the 1990s.

ya know BB there are those that think Shango is Robert Benson...but it's not him. The person that is Shango is a life log resident of Aruba...and I agree with Grande ~ he is Charles Croes

my opinion ~ via Gabe Leo!

Okay,I will never admit or deny I have been to Mexico,vaya con Dios

didnt Shango quit posting at the same time CC was arrested?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:

5. Entertaining the KLPD?

Blah, I don't have the dates, but I think I recall he was arrested after the Shango posts.... they got him some religion!!!

A Come To Yorùbá meeting!! :D  :D  :D

I agree Tyler.  This is exactly why they did it.  The statements were manuscripted by Dennis Jacobs.  Why would they feel the need to ask Guido about his relationship with Joran.  We are discussing a murder not queer eye for the straight guy.

6. Trying to buy up every copy of Joran's self-incriminating book?

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LOL 8)

Good Day Monkeys :)

I see we have been looking at bald spots and counting wheel spokes  :lol:

Glenda ??  Maybe she got a ride home from C&C's with some local guys days ago  :shock:

7.   :lol:   I'll be good.

either way, i think your right  CC=shango

and i would like to add that Charles Croes is the biggest spineless wuss of a man to ever walk the face of the Earth.  What a coward freak I hope he feels shame every day when he wakes up and looks at himself in the mirror.  Grow a set of balls you PU**Y !!

Oh gee another Honda.  Is Jamie missing any interior from his car.

oops, sorry about that

They'll try anything... and they listen to a Fluffah....do they really think they are going to out smart the ~
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Don't be sorry because it's true.

I'm not going to use valuable bandwidth posting his crap again...

here's the link to some of his (ahhhhugmmph) finer work.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-4033.html

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Is Medley having a beer and waiting for her at C&C's?   :evil:

klaasend wrote:
GLENDA has not posted at RU or FOB in 7 days. Is she:

1. Being interrogated by the KLPD?
2. Laying low until the KLPD leaves?
3. Recooperating from some kind of plastic surgery?
4. Sleeping it off after her last binge?


At this moment, my answer to the above question is....I do not remember
anything specific about anything....but, if I were going to make up a story and write a book, I would put Glenda at the rehab hospital following her nearly complete total body plastic surgery....the anesthesia given would have been shots of 151....and her reason for the plastic surgery...while being obvious....was used to hide from the interrogation requested by the KLPD....this is of course JMHO....!
was told to the KLPD

I have read parts of his dellusions before, its all crap. What a freak.

I keep popping in to see J & P bagged and tagged with arrows and circles by Klaas and still NADA.  Whatchu guys up to?   :lol:

the major friend made the mistake of telling him and not the Holloway's or Twitty's

That last tiny little sentence was not in my "book".... :)

I agree.  I'm just throwing this out there.  Who owns the company that Charles provides cell phone service for?

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

I see San is born again  :smt059   :lol:  ...could you imagine if she'd allowed the prayer session at her house?   :smt075

What a strange phone call...

My local CBS affiliate is showing teasers for the nightly news with a special report on the Travel Trap (cue pictures of sandy beaches) and the woman says "you pay for it for the rest of your life."  I'm assuming this is timeshares and I think Glenda might be protesting somewhere.

Are you talking about the friend that asked for him to Help Beth out?
If so I thought it was someone known to Beth's group / McWayne (sp)? :?  :oops:

Interesting thoughts Rob Do you know anything about a childrens book writer from Aruba, last name Peterson or Pederson? retired now from some capacity in ministry dept in Aruba?

 :lol:  :lol:

I thought Charles Croes owns the store in Aruba and he is the distributor for Digicel?  I could be wrong.

WoW, Rob!

I never thought I would read you say that!!!  That is what I have said all along.  Read his lame attempts at writing and it's clear.  Also guess growing up on an island gives boys time to read all those Marvel comics he took the names, phrases, etc. from.

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I thought he owned it.

Not sure..Looks to me like Charles Croes spends alot of time on the internet promoting Aruba's precious tourism since NH dissapeared.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

He might also spend time hanging arould ALE . In Daves book he says that when he dropped in to speak to Richardson(?) Charles Croes was there.

Rudy Croes and Charles Croes related?? Anybody Know?

Yes OF that's who I was asking about.

Anna
You need just a little animation...

Clicking those Ruby Red S_______ together  saying

Home... We need to bring Natalee Home

well the call very well could have came from the US, these slimeballs have such a network between Miama, Aruba and Europe, who knows how it all came down.  But I believe that Vocking was the 1st one sloot went to to help out with the cover up.

Klaas

Wasn't there a silver car parked at Freddy's house when it was for sale??
We had a picture of it.

he owns the company... Oduber controls it!!!

Hello Monkeys,
I am also in a less than happy mood after reading the latest chapter in the drivel written by blobhead.
Some observations on my part:
Why is it such a matter of interest that Natalee wore a short skirt when most of the pictures we see from Aruba show girls barely covered by minute scraps of fabric.
If even a seasoned drinker had consumed that many alcoholic beverages in the couple of days and especially on that particular day, they would have been incapable of sitting upright on that seat at the casino table, let alone being able to dance at CnC's later in the evening.
On the subject of switching the cars for the forensic testing and/or re-enactment, one of the monkeys earlier had a suggestion that I had not thought of before and that was that the car used to kidnap Natalee was not Deepak's car but a substitute one.   Good theory.

Who owns Digicel?

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

Only as a fluffa.

Exactly what I wanted to hear.

By this time Oduber knows about the phone call so guess who he called that night.

If Charles Croes is Shango - who is Simian?

Just read it myself, Tibro.   This is all part of the "discredit the victim" campaign and notice that these are Posner's employees.  Natalee's friends admit she drank throughout the day, but not how many drinks she actually had, nor do they say she drank mostly 151 with little Coke.   Chapter 7 tells us that at the time of her disappearance, Natalee could drink Joran under the table.   :shock: If you're inclined to believe that.   :roll:

I agree with you OF. I think the major friend is one from the US, and McWayne would be a good guess.

I had to laugh when I read the words of this article ... "the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible."  The actor who played the part of Joran could have passed for my eldest son and ... my husband is Japanese ... you figure it out.

Janet


Amigoe
4/3/2006

ARUBA – Deepak Kalpoe’s car will not be returned to him until Monday. The examining-magistrate decided in a lawsuit instituted by Kalpoe’s lawyer David Kock that the confiscation is not illegal, because the shootings for Opsporing Verzocht are of relevance to the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway. The car, a grey Honda Civic was confiscated by the Public Prosecutor last Thursday afternoon. Their motivation to do this is that the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible. The program Opsporing Verzocht with the Holloway-case will be transmitted on Tuesday, April 11th.

I had to laugh when I read the words of this article ... "the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible."  The actor who played the part of Joran could have passed for my eldest son and ... my husband is Japanese ... you figure it out.

Janet


Amigoe
4/3/2006

ARUBA – Deepak Kalpoe’s car will not be returned to him until Monday. The examining-magistrate decided in a lawsuit instituted by Kalpoe’s lawyer David Kock that the confiscation is not illegal, because the shootings for Opsporing Verzocht are of relevance to the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway. The car, a grey Honda Civic was confiscated by the Public Prosecutor last Thursday afternoon. Their motivation to do this is that the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible. The program Opsporing Verzocht with the Holloway-case will be transmitted on Tuesday, April 11th.

Silver car parked at Freddys house

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Look what Joran said about the girls from Aruba.  He is trying to paint a picture that Natalee was just like them.

I agree with the drinking also

I received the photo a long time ago from someone.

....Bacchus?

Yes BB
CC got involved because of the strange phone call, his rental company & Jug's contacts.
After that ... He may well be S_A_G_.
Deepak even stated that he blew it when talking to the guy in the Green car, speaking Pap at the Sloots while Beth was there,  when he mentioned sport sneakers to the guy

But Croes had a pocket full of "hush money"

He paid that kid $100 to lead the family to the van der sloots rather than the Kalpoes house.  The description Beth had was of the Kalpoe car, Croes hands the kid $100, raps with him in papiamento for a few minutes or whatever and they are off to the Sloot dump.  Why is that?  Is it because Paulus wanted to control the situation and he would have completely lost control if the posse showed up at the Kalpoe house and Nadira answered the door?

I was just throwing that out there bleachedblack.  With all the crazy things that went on in this case I just want to make sure whose side Charles was on in the beginning.

I think I'm seeing a lot of cars today and it is getting me confused.  But do we have a picture of the grey car at the rocks.

Thanks *******.

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I agree with what you said Blah.  How did Charles no where to go to question kids about Joran.  Were these kids Joran's friends and were they coached to direct Charles where to go.

I saw that!  You are lucky I can't get my hands on you or you would be needing a tetanus shot like your little buddy!

Some of us just don't believe every word Joran says and are not eager to go to great lengths to verify his wild claims  of being bigger than life.

So there!


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Quite a while after the posts stopped.

but but but but...we love Anna  8)

Blah, had an accident and rented a Maxima.  Isn't that your car!

Blah
I think Beth had a description of Joran, the car he was in the back seat of with Natalee and maybe a name (Joarn, Uran, U Ron)
Why CC offered them money ???  Maybe he thought he could be of real help...The pepole that got him involved. I do not know.

But I think Paulis would have been tickled pink if Beth went to the Kalpoes 1st and did not make it to his house until later on  Tuesday.

The gentle porno poet.

Your welcome..For a while..I thought I was Invisible  
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Yes, I have that pic...hold on a sec

JANET - Thank you for the reminder.


Be still in the presence of the Lord, and wait patiently for him to act.  Don’t worry about evil people who prosper or fret about their wicked schemes.[/quote]

Kermit
I was semi   :?  with the car pic  and then you post Mirror Image stuff???

Can anyone blow up the pic of the car in fron of freddys house? I just want to see if the rims are the same

its a small island, i'm sure he knows all the hang outs

O/T Catalina Island is burning - the fire is heading straight towards the only main city Avalon - all residents have been asked to evacuate to the beach.  

The fire is over 400 acres and growing.  I can see the smoke and Catalina Island from my home.

Thank *******.  I deleted the photo because I didn't want to blow the margins.  This car has the same black stripe but the hubcaps look different.

Much as I hate to agree with Blah, I tend to do so on Vocking.  He owed Paulus big time from that Alex Matthews case that Aruba lost in the World Court.

Paulus was in charge of the evidence in the same manner that Dennis Jacobs has been in this case.

They seem to just change laws, positions and everything else down there at will.  Strangest system I have ever seen.  Arlene is right, I don't understand it because it is different every time I read about it.

.

thanks for taking it easy on me, I thought this was going to be much worse !!


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Wow Klaas.  I hope everyone is safe and they can control this fire.

I have done some work on the Maxima, but the work I have done wont be in production for a few more years yet.

Car looks very similar to me..Black stripe..Shape of the windows..4 door..

you could be right, CC might have known nothing that first night.

But he sure did lie for the sloots afterwards....

It looks like the car at the Painted Rocks has Black rocker pannel trim & the one in the drive way does not..

Hard to tell shadows.

WHO IS THE MAJOR FRIEND?

I suspect that the "major friend" is Eric Williams (DEA) .

At 11:00 PM the Twittys go directly to the Holiday Inn from the airport where they meet up with Paul Lily (Chaperone) and Eric Williams (DEA). I would assume that Beth would have told Eric Williams (DEA) about the message she suspected was left by Natalee on the cell of one of the MB students.  I estimate that it would have been approximately 11:30 PM when Eric Williams (DEA) contacted Charles Croes ... the time Charles Croes claimed he received a call from a "Major Friend".

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
 
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

WHO IS THE MAJOR FRIEND?

I suspect that the "major friend" is Eric Williams (DEA) .

At 11:00 PM the Twittys go directly to the Holiday Inn from the airport where they meet up with Paul Lily (Chaperone) and Eric Williams (DEA). I would assume that Beth would have told Eric Williams (DEA) about the message she suspected was left by Natalee on the cell of one of the MB students.  I estimate that it would have been approximately 11:30 PM when Eric Williams (DEA) contacted Charles Croes ... the time Charles Croes claimed he received a call from a "Major Friend".

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE

GRACE: So what time did you get to the Holiday Inn?

B. TWITTY: Probably about 11:00 p.m. on the 30th.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
 
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.

GRACE: Where she had been. And what happened?

B. TWITTY: Well, we were met by the DEA Eric Williams (ph) and Paul Lilly (ph).


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta

VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

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OHHHHHHHH
now that ones gonna leave a mark !!!

 :x

 LIE..  How?  

Not get involved & push the issue or tell the truth... YUP could be.  they all do according to Mamma K.

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Thank you Tamikosmom.

THanks  TamI

Hope you get over the Hic-ups  too :wink:

They are all related.  They all swim in the same gene pool and sleep with each other's women.  Don't you remember Joran told us in his book that every girl does it with her boyfriend's friends and they all do it with their girlfriend's friends and he later goes on to say that a virgin at age 12 is somone who has not found her way out of the house yet.

I think it was an interview with Greta and also a PV (trying to go from memory).  I havent followed the case very closely the last several months so its gonna take me a little while to find this....

Thanks Kermit...

It appears that the bottom car has black Mirrors  the one at the beach has matching color mirrors

JMO

Car at the rocks has same coloured door pillar, while other car has black door pillar.

Also car parked in driveway with door open looks to me like a van/4WD rather than a sedan car.

Skirts made it more difficult for rapists like Joran so he gets mad about skirts.  He is accustomed to nearly or totally naked women from Aruba, sleezy looking, with barely nothing and even the old women wear see-through blouses.  Old fluffahs.

heres the 1st interview with Greta, the part about "our phone" is interesting, does he have a partner?:


VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just

Wasn't Oduber the one in the US that could have been a friend of Charles Croes, who was called after someone from McWayne called to state she was missing. . . thinking that since they did business with Aruba, Oduber would be fair.  Little did they know what an island full of scuzz this really was.

No I dont think it is. The back window is different and also the stripe.. I beleave the car in front of freddys house looks quite a bit like the car at the rocks. (The picture at the rocks has very dark shades)

Blah
I'm not  :smt014  with you... Not telling what you know is not a lie.
Not sure which is worse.(leaning towards the lie) . but not the same in my book.

JMO

Unbelievable.  What a monster.  If he had the opportunity he would have drugged this 12 year old girl too.

Hello all!!
I am so far behind I could never catch up!!
Did you all discuss the following, if you did can you give me a summary or a link to read the discussion. This caught my eye because it said blood sample comparison so I am assuming there were 2 samples at least to compare...what were your ideas/views on this one:

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have names for any of these people or just that description?

C. CROES: She had a description of the car and she had a description of one tall Dutch guy. And at that time, she said, with darkish hair.

VAN SUSTEREN: During the time that you were talking to Beth at the gas station, did the discussion of that phone call come up again?

C. CROES: Yes, it did.

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?

C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then where did you go?

C. CROES: Then we continued on track over to the Holiday Inn. And we were supposed to turn over to go into the Holiday Inn. And I had made a decision not to and went straight ahead. And going straight ahead, I made another decision to go to the beach area.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got there?

C. CROES: When I got there, there were three cars there. One was pulling out. It was a black car. There was another car parked there. And there was a car with kids in it. And I made the decision to talk to the kids. I got out of the car and, in talking to the kids, and describing what had happened, and explained to them why it is I was approaching them at this hour of the night and asking these questions.

I then described Joran. At this point, I wasn't sure about his name. And they asked me what kind of car he drove. And I wasn't sure. And I said, "But we do know that he was in a silver or gray metallic car, small car with a large exhaust." One of the guys says, "Oh, that's Joran."

I then spoke to him, and I said, "Would you kindly lead us to his home? Do you know where he lives?" And he said, "Sure." And he got in our car. And we went over to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you drove over to the Van der Sloot home. And any idea about what time you arrived there?

C. CROES: Close to 3:00.

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then what happened next?

C. CROES: What happened next was that, in the interim of doing that, we had notified the family that we had found a house. Then they asked us to meet them at the police station. So we went back over to the police station.

VAN SUSTEREN: About how far is the police station from the Van der Sloot house?

C. CROES: Actually very close.

OHHHHHHHH
now that ones gonna leave a mark !!!

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JMO

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rather than post the whole 1st interview, it can be read here for anyone interested:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

LOL!! I know Bettico Croes and Rudy are Brothers..Both tied to the Mob..Rudy has been caught getting free trips..Smugglin in girls to pimp for his friends..What else has this scum bag been caught doing?? Hopefull he gets nailed for covering up Natalee's murder before he retires.

Isn't there also a scandal involving Rudy Croes selling visas and work permits or entry cards, something on that order, where some 400 were allowed to enter Aruba illegally with his help?

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ok here is the important part when it comes to CC telling a lie.  This is from his June 30th interview with Greta.  In either a later interview or a PV he tells the story a little differently and in Jorans favor....

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did do you next? What time did you leave the police station about?

C. CROES: Some time between 2:40, 2:30, 2:45… at that time.

VAN SUSTEREN: A.M.?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And where did you go?

C. CROES: Right to the house.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who went?

C. CROES: All of the people that were there, myself included.

VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning Beth and her husband, the police… were there some other friends from the United States with them?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened when you got to the house?

C. CROES: When we got to the house, the police asked us to stay back. And they went to the front door, or the entrance. And they beeped the horn. No one responded. And they then did their police siren kind of thing. And no one responded. They did it several times, and then finally Mr. Van der Sloot came out.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you hear what he said?

C. CROES: I heard bits of the conversation but not the whole conversation, because I was still back.

VAN SUSTEREN: What bits did you hear?

C. CROES: I heard bits that he didn't know where his son was. I heard bits that referred to him having picked up his son at a McDonald's, those kind of things. There was nothing that was tied together, just little bits of conversation that were coming out.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did you then do next?

C. CROES: We went to the Wyndham Hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you go to the Wyndham?

C. CROES: There was a feeling that Joran may be there playing poker.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Paul Van der Sloot go with this entourage to the Wyndham Hotel?

C. CROES: Yes, he did.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who did he travel with?

C. CROES: I believe he went with the police.

can anyone help? It's driving me nuts what blood samples they could have been comparing on June 9th...did you discuss and can you give me a link?

No major discussion that I recall.  Remember the blood samples all turned into cleaning fluid as if my magic.

We have been talking about the cars being switched mostly which sort of connects.

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But this was June 9th Anna, what the heck could they be comparing that early??

Silly question.
What date did Anita talk about (in detail Joran's sexual activites with Natalee?

Was it before he was detained (Jun 9th ?) or not?

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

A few days later Beth was asked to give a blood sample.  I have always assumed they meant compare the "cleaning fluid" to her DNA to see if it could have been Natalee's cleaning fluid.

I just don't know but the day of the alleged non-confession is the day Beth was asked for a blood sample.

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The blood found in Deepak's car that later turned to chocolate.  Or, the blood found on the mattress.  I really don't know.

Probably the blood on the mattress that was tested.

I agree Klaas...was looking for you!! lol So in my mind...there WAS blood found SOMEWHERE for there to be a comparison.

ldstlou

Hope you did not get hammered by the thunder storms going thru your area..

AND

Descriptions in the PDF.. are lacking...
I wondering if they should have said "conduct searach  for blood"

What date did they get the toothbrushs with the alleged "male" DNA on it?  That still would not be blood samples.

And I don't think Deepak's car had yet been confiscated?

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

I thought about this too Anna...but it didn't say "DNA" analysis..it says comparison of "BLOOD SAMPLES"...it makes me believe it was blood and not a toothbrush

Here ya go old fart (I had posted it on the previous thread)




VAN SUSTEREN: It's also, as I recall when you and I sat down with Joran's parents, I remember you and Joran's mother having a discussion about what Joran said about his sexual activity with Natalee, which is in stark contrast to this, as well.

TWITTY: Well, but the discussion was that they had had a sexual relationship of some sort, but that it was consensual, that it was not a straight-out denial, as we're now hearing in this statement
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170558,00.html

Be Safe!

Here's a comment from the Dr. Phil show, January 2006, from the king of bullcrap himself, Steve Cohen. Still waiting for Steve to get back to us on whether that is Paulus in the casino video...

Don't think Steve was paid to stall the case, do ya? Keep the public at bay, make them think they're doing something.

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

A year and three months later, where are those final results Steve?

That's my all time fav CC quote.  He finally says what a lot of people in Aruba seemed to be thinking.

No value for human life.  How about if it were his own, I bet he would sing a different tune to that one.

Remember Jug begging CC to come clean and saying he held the key to it all???

Well, if they want "all this trouble" to stop, they know what to do.

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Obviously to an Aruban if she is human, animal and not coke or alcohol, or something they can beat or rape, they are worth nothing.  In Natalee's condition of demise, she would be worth nothing to Aruba, because they cannot drug her now, cannot beat her now, cannot rape her now and all that is left is for them to lie about her.  They are liars.  It is in their water.  It is in their genes. Their mothers are liars.  Their fathers are liars and all that came before them are liars and they love liars and they are related to liars and they speak with and marry liars and they prorcreate with liars and they are are drunken, doped-up pig liars.

After the arrests, Dutch Marines began combing Black Mangrove Beach on Aruba's wind swept eastern tip. Police say a blood-stained mattress was discovered. But FBI tests ruled out any link to Natalee. It was not human blood.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.06.html

I believe it was June 6th...I'll check

Yeah and add to it this statement:

Kock said the trial could happen in June or July.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/2006/03/21/attorney-van-der-sloot-kalpoes-could-go-on-trial-this-summer/

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I assume that was the mattress from Joran's bedroom that had to be removed including the bed and all the contents save for the mattress that Deepak sat on which was in the floor.  I wonder if the "servants" had to clean the room (Joran's servants -- Deepak and Satish).  I would guess Satish stayed out of school to help clean the Sloots house.  The furniture that was delivered was probably to replace the bed where Natalee was murdered at the hands of Paulus once she threatened to go to police.

OK Klaas...you know me and computers..lol
It won't let me edit and paste so I need your help. But under the description you wrote of I think it sats technical docs they are asking for...it says Deepak's car was tested for blood the 9th...then the blood sample comaprison I stated above..and then the 10th they asked for Beth's blood...so it appears to me that they had to have found blood in the car to have something to do a "comparison" with

Sunday, June 5th:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html

Thanks Kermit..
But it did not tell me when Beth & Greta( :twisted: ) made the trip to the Sloot house.

I guess this was where the Renfro got the idea to say that Natalee met a blue-eyed Marine. (postumously of course).

Nadira Ramirez
Dr. Phil Show

"Once Deepak and Satish got back, they had been arrested. They told you about not telling the truth about the Holiday Inn," the investigator probes.

Nadira responds, "Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes."

Of course they found blood.  The FBI was there, they said it was blood.  It wasn't until samples of the interior were sent for testing to the NL and Quantico that it turned into chocolate and cleaning fluid.

It couldn't be from the mattress, from how I read it, Beth was not asked for a sample until the 10th.

There was a shirt found from GVC's father's company and a mattress with dog blood. That MIGHT be the FBI blood tests.
Been reading the stuff from Joran's book. The description of Natalee before she got to Aruba ... the good stuff that they probably got from the Internet as it is public knoweldge. But then, her drinking and behaviour. Too bad there is a picture of Natalee looking very sober just before she went to C & C's. And the lady that was on the boat trip with Natalee on the Sunday says Natalee was subdued and not drinking. So, when did she do all this morning to night drinking ? She is not drunk in the casino, she is drinking water. Oh, she was drinking and drunk only when there were no cameras present AND this drinking and drunk could only be detected by ARUBANS ! !
What a load ! !

are you trying to remember why they took the DNA from the J2K originally?  The original reason was to compare to the hair found on the duct tape at turtle beack.

"Now, so the authorities there, of course, want to get DNA samples and have gotten them from both the Kalpoe brothers, as well as Joran Van Der Sloot, so that they can compare this hair, found on the duct tape, with them, and, of course, they have samples from Natalee`s hair, to see whether there is any connection.

Now, what`s happened to them? I can tell you this: They have sent one sample to the Netherlands for the laboratory work to be done there. But also, I can tell you that the FBI tells me that, tonight, a sample was also shared with the FBI, and an FBI agent hand-carried it out of Aruba. And that is arriving at the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia, this night. It`s expected they`ll begin test work on it first thing in the morning.:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/20/ng.01.html

What's the life of a John Cohey worth?  About the same as Charles Croes.

Hiya Monkeys

Rob, is this what you were talking about??

http://tinyurl.com/fgduq    comment #35

Simian said "There were 3 cars"

calling Janet...................what date was Beth and Greta at the vds?

WE know that...but others have disputed it...I just think this casts away any doubt

these idiots are too stupid to figure out that they should have been asking themselves if Joran was worth it

But I think Beth was not asked for blood until the 10th

June 21, 2005:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

Florida is burning, too.  I thought I heard they have a fire in every county now.  Surely that can't be right!   :shock:

ldstlou - IMO, the FBI would not have told Beth there was blood in Deepak's car if there was any doubt.

surprised Al Gore aint ALL OVER this!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I found deepaks description fishy as well when he had to siit on the floor. Still doesnt make sense to me. Quite possible that bed was removed out of jorans room is why he had to sit on the floor.  Deepshit and Satish both slept in to 12 and 1am. We know Joran lied about his events after school(After Waking up) as Art Wood looked into it.

I still wonder if joran catching the bus by lorenzo's house is fact or fiction??

ROB - I can see Catalina from my house, it's only 26 miles away.  But...that 26 miles is all ocean  :lol:  :lol:

Still looks like it's burning pretty bad.

Doesn't this Chit from Joran wanna make you fly to Holland and just slap him until you have no more energy to slap him anymore ? Who does he think he is kidding with the bs about what a studly boy-man he is ?
And I think he is bragging !! ! He is quite proud of his drinking, gambling, girls with.. did this guy ever have a consequence ? Oh well, if you lose all yer money at the casino, you just get more from yer Papa and Mumma. And if they don't want to give it, you steal it. What are they going to do about it ? NADA !

Klaas...I had heard this happened but I think there were discussions about it..so it wasn't that clear in my mind. But I think the following spells it out. Whatever they were comparing on the 9th...it wasn't Natalee to blood found on a matress or anywhere else because Beth and Dave did not have blood drawn until the 10th...and it is apparent...they were comparing two blood samples..not dna samples..but 2 blood samples on the 9th...the day they took swabs of deepaks car.
I quess...I remember talk about how they "covered up" the blood w/ chocolate and cleaning fluid...but there was no covering up...except at the lab. Now that is scary as crap to me!!

oops...forgot this part!!
Location: Aruba/USA
Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
G€¢ Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
32




Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba
G€¢ Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave
Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

He thinks someone would want to read his book.  He thinks he is OJ.  He imagines that his minor league soccer game on an island the size of a professional football stadium in America is as important to the public as what OJ did before he became Joran's mentor.  Now, I would like to shove the two of them together in a burning ring of fire and throw gas on it.

Has Charles ever spent time on a balcony with Joran?

That was all for show and tell.

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Natalee's Mom Confronts Suspect's Parents

Wednesday, June 22, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  In an emotional meeting Tuesday, Natalee Holloway's (search) mother — who has pledged not to leave the island without her daughter — confronted the parents of one of the suspects in the case of the missing 18-year-old.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html


so Tuesday June 21, 2005 would be the date Greta went with Beth to van der Sloot home.

Yes, good one! Missed that.

 :lol:

So the FBI has to have proof than that Natalee's blood was found in that car....so why the heck can Aruba get away w/ saying it was cleaning fluid when the FBI has the samples???!! That is just nuts!! and such arrogance!!! How and why do they know they can get away with it if the FBI has the proof?

Hi Casa, love your little furry friends

Beth must have relayed the the fbi told her..She said they cut squares or pieces of his back seat and headliner..I would think that was from the FBI.

so why does the FBI have to remail silent about it if they have the proof?

June 9th was the lab report.  The blood sample must have been obtained a bit before that to get an FBI report.

The FBI told Beth that Natalee was probably deceased. I am not sure of the probably. They were so sure, Natalee's GrandMother was told by Beth.
Does the FBI go around making these kinds of statements unless they have a good source or proof ? I do not think so.
We have the above, we have Oduber saying there was blood in the car and then we have a confession that wasn't. Three separate incidents where there was " mis information ". How does this happen ?
Professional cover up at the highest levels is how !!

They switched cars or changed the interior BEFORE taking the swabs but AFTER the blood was seen by many people.

They don't even have to switch cars. Just the fabric that was submitted.

I never thought I would say a Dutch aruban,with a shred of decency,but Koen does.his guilt and nightmares,show this along with the heavy weight boxing title among the pimps.He is still a raping pos,but a more decent one.

They don't have the proof.  They got swabs of cleaning fluid.  And when they DID report that, Aruba used it as an excuse to never let them know any further information.

I don't know. It appears that the FBI submiited samples for blood comparison on the 9th. No time to switch. So lets say they HAVE the proof...just for argument's sake...why would they not be able to show it?

Anna, whose report came back as chocolate/cleaning fluid? Was it the FBI or have we ever heard what the FBI's test results were?

Thanks Klaasend...
Joran had been in jail  a week +..  
This was only news to the public
on  day 1 in jail  6/09 http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=29581&highlight=blue#29581
he stated "Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers." ~~ Who the heck knows it true or not.

Joran also admits to certain other digital acts in this statement but Satish had already stated that in his 5/31 statement.

Given the other 5/31 statements where Natalee is describled as "Falling in out of Sleep" (Sleep ??  sure) there is NO reason these perps should have not been detained  by June 2nd at the latest.  Not 9 friggin days later :twisted: