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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   YEaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



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Robots, you cheated. :lol:

but  but but but... i won  8)

To your question if Robots cheated by jumping threads early i answer yes, Robots cheated.

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Posted by Jon at Scrux (not sure who translated):

Translation- part of Joran's June 13 statement (page 160):

(police confronts me with Freddy's statement from yesterday).
I told Freddy the HI story on Wednesday June 1 at my house, Satish and Deepak were present.
I told Freddy the real story on June 1 in the afternoon at my house.
You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.
You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not recover and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer on this, because according to me I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.
That Freddy has stated that we did not knew what to do when she did not recovered and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way.
I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not understand well what I told him.

Joran about Freddy's last two statements (6th and 7th) on that same page:
After Freddy's second statement on June 13 at 6:30 pm, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30, the police confronts us as best friends with eachother. Some statements follow.
In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statement that I have told him that Natalee had went unconscious several times and did not recover anymore at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.

Part from Freddy's second (June 13) statement (page 161) :
During the entire conversation Joran mentioned "We" not "I", also when he said that "We" had left the girl behind.
Joran did not tell me the girl was dead. He never used the word "dead". He also did not say if he checked her wrists to see if she still had a wrist-beat (pulse-beat/heartbeat), and if she was still breathing.
I got the impression he was assuming he had left her behind alive. He also did not tell me that other people had come to him. Joran does not use drugs. Joran also did not tell me that he had given the girl drugs or that he saw her using drugs.


Book about Tuesday afternoon:

It is allready 4 pm in the afternoon when I sign my witness statement, and my father and I leave the interrogation room.
On the way out I see Deepak sitting in the waitingroom. I greet him and ask him to call me when he is finished. My head is spinning. I gave a false statement to the police. I never thought that I would have to go to the police.
We are walking out of the building and I hope that Deepak and Satish will tell the same story. I am getting all nervous from the idea that maybe truly something has happened to Natalee. But I have the feeling the police did believe us (us?).
They have no reason not to believe us. I tell my father that I am hungry and we go to eat something at Taco Bell in Noord. After we have eaten we directly go home.
Arrived home I am sitting on my bed thinking, all sort of things are going through my mind. Ik am very scared because we have lied, but I have the feeling that I cannpot go back anymore.
I tell my father that I want to talk to Freddy to talk about this whole thing.
Freddy practically lives next to me and is one of my best friends.
When I arrive there Freddy is not yet home, so I talk to his sister for a while.
After ten minutes Freddy is home, I tell him that I want to talk to him and we go to his room. I tell him first what really happened, that I have left the girl alone on the beach. After that I tell him that Satish Deepak and I have been at the police station and have given false statements***. I explain to him that I, when my father called me to tell me the family of a missing girl was in front of our door, I was flipping enormously and that Deepak and I then decided to lie.
Freddy is silent for a while. "I understand it a little" he then says.
I feel so relieved that I am able to at least talk about this with one person. I know that I can trust Freddy, but I am the most relieved that he could understand why I had lied.
Can you keep this a secret I ask him, If anyone asks you something you just have to say that I told you we have dropped Natalee at the HI, because we have already lied to the police and I truly do not want any problems.
Freddy says: No problem, you know you can trust me?
I tell Freddy nothing more and somewhat relieved I say goodbye to him and his family.

ROFL


stop it

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im simply on a differnet schedule

Tylergal wrote:
Grande wrote:
Tylergal wrote:
Tibrogargan wrote:
klaasend wrote:
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS, ANITA VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS!

PVDS helped dispose of the body and get rid of evidence. They should all be in jail.


And Anita directed operations


I tihnk she saw Natalee's body. I think whomever made that movie that was a play on Natalee's disappearance was right. The mother of the boy was the one who was the director and most guilty party. I want to see that fat fish wife cuffed if they can find a pair big enough for her wrists that are bigger than my thighs. The very audacity of that evil winch wearing a Natalee bracelet makes my BP go through the ceiling. I can still see that little fat dictator calling the shots in that ugly plastic coat.


I would be willing to bet Freddy & Guido also witnessed Natalee's lifeless body, and that breaks my heart to say it. Guido is an almost certainty in my opinion given his absence from the Tacopina response affadavit witness list.

On the other hand, Freddy's presence on that same witness list could suggest he had little to do with the physical crime, JMO.

Tacopina knows what happended, also JMO.


On one of the websites, Val's friend said they saw her lifeless body in their bathtub and some girls posted a bloody girl that looked like Natalee in a bathtub on one of those 'my space' sites. They took it down rather quickly, but I saw it. It was not Natalee, but an older blond lady, about 30ish who had similar look to Natalee, with blood all over her. The picture was in black & white but the blood was red.


That's probably the most likely scenario I have heard to date. I still think they made it to Arashi Beach as per multiple statements from Deepak. Joran's shoes are missing because Nat threw up on them and Deepak attempted to clean it out @ Arashi, hence the urination alibi.

ARUBA, FREDDY, GUIDO, VALENTIJN, do what is right! Natalee died in Joran's presence! It may or may not have been a result of Joran's actions, however the lack of resolution IS!
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Were one day closer to parlaying our collective efforts into JUSTICE being served.

OK - who snuck over hear early???

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why do i get such charge out of something so foolish  8)


something about being 10 years old again

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:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Looks to me like a robotic creation named Ravi  :wink:  :wink:

That's OK Robots, I still step in water puddles to splash the person walking next to me  :lol:

Sunfreak ~ No matter what your news may be, we will all be here holding your hands, encouraging you, and keeping you in our hearts and prayers.  You are a huge part of this team, and we need you here.  :smooch

You cheated again.  This time I wasn't paying attention because I was going to bed. :lol:

Klaas ... I do not believe that Freddy made a mistake regarding the date which he claims in his declaration that Joran relayed the Marriot Beach story to him.  The date had to be May 30, 2005 because ... Freddy  continues to discuss his encounter the "next day" with Joran at the Raquet Ball club.  Could Freddie have confused the two dates?

Janet


Translation Credit: Ramm (BFN)

Freddy Zedan
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

<snipped>

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told met that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ....

<snipped>

Valentijn was never interviewed as far as we know. The Kalpoes's little sister was, she was maybe 10 and I don't think she had any knowledge of anything. Val was home on line that night, they had the computer activity early.

Janet - you are absolutely correct. no I don't think Freddy made a mistake.  I believe Joran continues to lie.

I think Freddy is telling the truth as he knows it.  I wonder why Joran had to bring up the slave thing.  This is so ANITA!  For me, bringing up slaves and Hitler were two very telling things, because neither of these things would Natalee have said.  There have not been slaves in her lifetime nor has there been segregation.  She was born in the an era where blacks and whites live together and probably her only reference is from history on either subject.  What a lying satanic igor Anita has spawned.

Angie911

Again, I am behind in reading the pages, but thank you for explaining about Sat. Greta's no show on DirectTV... felt like I was in the Twilight Zone waiting. Thanks for the info.

Tyler - I agree. That is just their jaundiced view of life in our countries, where they bash us for being racists, even though they are the only ones to have considered the subject.

Both these comments were straight out of Anita's lying spiteful gob.

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Cause they read the book?

O/T sort of:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1267803,00.html

Army Base 'Rape' Investigation
Updated: 04:42, Tuesday May 29, 2007

The Military Police are investigating claims of the attempted rape of a young recruit at the Catterick army base in North Yorkshire.
 
Catterick Army BarracksThe assault was allegedly filmed by other soldiers on a mobile phone camera.

The Parachute Regiment recruit is apparently shown in the two-minute video being held down while another person attempts to rape him.

According to the Sun newspaper, during the footage the trainee Para is taunted for being gay and after the alleged assault ends up curled on a bed crying: "Help me."

The alleged attack happened last month and came to light when a mother was shown the images by her son, a soldier, and alerted military police.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "An alleged incident recorded on a mobile phone is being investigated by the Royal Military Police.

"We are not prepared to comment on the allegations."

Well there lies have caught up with them, There Dirt bags I dont miss them or reading the crap they say

Well someone would have to read it to Julia since according to her she doesn't read Dutch or Pap.

Here's the rub.  Paulus says they were with Anita.
There is a record according to Widget of two youth returning with Anita.
Joran says his father went home to take care of his brothers.
One brother was supposedly playing and was going to be dropped off.
There leaves another person in the house who knows what is going on.
They had two housekeepers.

LOL, falling asleep at the keyboard again. I have just GOT to go to bed. Y'all have a good night. Remember what Tomorrow is and let it make you even madder that we have been here now 2 years and still no answers. Maybe soon.

Klaas - that picture has been resized.   :roll:   Sometimes it seems to take a while to take effect.

Do we have positive proof of when the boys came back to Aruba or is that another of their fairy stories?  Are they all so crooked they could not lie straight in bed?
My guess is Freddy for the goon at the house - awaiting computer transmissions from video or mobile phones.

It resizes when you refresh your browser  :wink:

There is another day that has not been wasted - I have learned something  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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 Waving to Hummingbird - it is safe to come into the cage.  Nobody here to lead you astray  :wink:  :wink:

:shock:  Hi Tib and all Monkeys,

Gosh I was just sitting here reading, I forgot I'd logged in.  First thought was OMG how'd Tib see me?????
Klaas, I did go to the Lounge and sign up for two prayer days, if you have not already updated lately.

So CBB's not around huh?  She always gets me in trouble...

Hummingbird - not much gets past the monkeys  :wink:  :wink:

CBB has been quiet tonight so if we just whisper we should be safe.  
Hope you have been keeping well.
Have been looking for more dolphin pics.  Found some lovely penguin ones a few days ago.  All animals are lovely and their babies are always cute.

I added you  :wink:

I had finally got caught up, when I was spotted by Tib. gosh so much to read, my laptop isn't working router problems have to use DH's puter.  It's been a long day for me, so I think I'll go to bed.  
Keep positive, something is gonna happen soon... I believe in our Robots!
Night Monkeys

Nite hummingbird

Night Hummingbird

a few posts ago Tylergal wrote:

I am confused here:so I highlighted the sentence above in blue... What movie is being talked about???
This is what happens when I am behind in reading and everyone goes to bed!

So good morning or good night depending.

Here's an upbeat thought... the protests over the lack of press in venz. is not being shown on Chev's oun stations... seems now is the time to have the protesters putting their film up on the internet and have stations that way>>>>>

With all the talk of steak and eggs... last night. on the East Coast.. it's still  before midnight where I am and I am hungry... but not that hungry to go out on the streets in LA with all the party people coming home with attitudes.

May just take a spoon to the peanut butter jar... crunchy and raw.. no bread, crackers, nothing.

SunFreak... you are taking our spirits with you to the Dr. Make sure he has enough chairs for them.

IBE - I think you have logged out again by now, but I will tell you what I believe was the movie Tyler mentioned.

I saw a two part episode of CSI-SVU (I think) where it showed a girl who went missing on a school trip to the city.  The boy she was to meet was under suspicion and then his father was believed to be the culprit.  But at the end it turned out to be the mother who had killed and disposed of the girl because she believed the father had raped the girl.  Not a pleasant show but it so mirrored Natalee's case that it was eerie watching it unfold.  Especially as I believe that Anita was so much more involved than people were considering at that time.

Monkeys with better memories than mine can correct this if I have referenced the wrong TV show.

Sounds like an interesting dramatization. However, CSI and SVU are two different programs. CSI is the one with the bugs crawling out of skulls, hearts, brains, eye sockets and everything (forensics) starring William Peterson in the Las Vegas version and that redheaded guy in the Miami version. SVU is a variation of Law and Order; SVU stands for Special Victims Unit and they always have the pervy stuff. Marisa Hargarty, who is Jayne Mansfield's daughter, stars. So, your drama was probably one or the other.Hope this helps.

I can’t sleep tonight….  

Tibro, you are close.   SVU is a spinoff of the Law & Order series.  The other spinoff of Law & Order is Criminal Intent. It’s my favorite TV show because Vincent D’Onofrio is in it :)  Criminal Intent had the “ripped from the headlines” movie mentioned above, based on Natalee’s disappearance.  

In November 2006, “In the Wee Small Hours” aired as a 2-hour television movie.    

“In this first part of a two-part episode, a girl and two boys go missing from a school trip to NYC… The trail leads the detectives to a sexual predator who likes to brag about his exploits in his Internet blog, and who turns out to be rather well-connected.

Part 2- The squad continues the investigation into the murder of a teenage girl visiting from Iowa. The detectives uncover the sordid family life of a local judge whose son is linked to the Iowa teenager and another victim. Goren and Logan discover that the judge is a formidable foe as they come under scrutiny.”

USA Network airs repeats of Criminal Intent throughout the week and Bravo TV shows reruns on the weekends, but I can’t find that this movie will be shown by either station in the near future.  It eventually will be, though!

I found a 3.5 minute cut from this episode / movie, but I don't believe the entire episode can be viewed anywhere online (?).  

Detective Goren vs. Judge Garrett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAokNIZE2iw

Thank you, Port Valerie and Karo for identifying that TV programme for me, and more importantly for IBE

You can be sure these particular episodes will be repeated, probably more than once.

I have to admit that I am unable to watch a lot of these shows regularly and some nights they show three of them, one after the other, so you are left wondering what you really are watching!  I did go out of my way to watch "Bones" each week when it aired here.

Once again, thank you.  Now off to tidy the cage.....

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LOL... Maybe they read that damn book and said holy shit!   :lol:

The more that gets translated the more I "am inclined" to continue my belief that this kid is guilty as hell.

I am with you - Freddy's story didn't match Joran's Lies... thus the comment that "Freddy must tell the truth".  Which in "Joran-speak" means Freddy must lie to cover for our sorry selves.

Why aren't they in KIA is an excellent question!

Good day Monks!

Does Joran know what happened with Natalee’s body?

This book and all the various statements we have seen indicate that ALE had Joran by the short hairs, but the investigation fell short due to the lack of a body, or other forensic evidence.  Why didn’t he break and tell them what became of Natalee?  The logical conclusion would be that he doesn’t know.  Someone that knew Joran very well stepped in and took care of that portion of the crime.  That person also knew Joran’s propensity to run his mouth, so he cut him out of the loop when the disposal was undertaken.
   
Just trying to make some sense out of this crazy situation…

Morning, Easy. I think Joran knew what HE did with her body, but once Paulus and his band of merry cover up men became involved, I think they did cut Joran out of the loop.

Morning..
 Just finished up with my prayer slot  :)
Said some extra ones for our monkeys folks in need as well.
 Got up extra earley this morning.
TY all for your suggestions last night.. lol HUbby ran to Wal Mart since its closeby and solved the problem. Plenty to go around. Cleaned up the mess.. visited with the kids.. and passed out early for a change! lol
I managed to catch up this morning and WOW to Freddys statements in the book! Those punks better be going down!
Have a great day all.. have to leave for work in 20 minutes or so.

Morning All,

Angie, I think the vigil doesn't begin until 8pm tonight? You might want to check the prayer vigil thread  :?

Easy, would you tell that nimcompoop lovetolookinthemirrorandblababoutmeallday delicious sporter anything you held confidential?

I still remember Joran stating he was doing the interview with Greta to set the record straight about his innocence but also for his father? All paths lead to daddy-o but momma seems to be the type to relish holding things over them too.

It takes a special kind of moron to write a "tell-all" book WHILE you are still under investigation. It also speaks to the moron's arrogance that he can write that book and OVER-RULE his attorneys advice who undoubtedly advised against it!!

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  05/29/2007



klaas - there's a photo with this - "AG Nico Jörg (left) during the installation ceremony of three new judges in Aruba." No other names given. Don't know if you want it for your files?

Good Morning Monkeys.  Hope all had a Good Holiday.  

2 years - can you believe it?   :cry:

HERE FOR NATALEE

If we take what we have read and heard, it does start to paint a picture of what happened that night.  We also know that Joran is a lying POS and that Freddy would gain nothing by creating the story about the beach.  So let’s assume Joran did indeed tell Freddy that story that day.  He probably was still half wasted and needed to get it off his chest.  He tells Freddy that they picked up an American tourist the night before and things went crazy.  They dumped her at the beach after they couldn’t revive her.

So, Joran and someone else were with Natalee at the beach.  Joran might have been too far gone to even remember if it was Deepak or Satish.  My guess is that Deepak took the car and left the other two behind in order to try and establish an alibi.  Joran and Satish then hid her body some where near the fisherman’s huts, either in a shallow grave or just covered her with debris.  Joran then calls daddy in a panic.  Paulus goes to pick “them” up and assess the situation.  He makes sure she is temporarily hidden and takes Satish (or whomever) home.

Paulus then decides that there needs to be “no body” so he puts a plan into action.  Later he drills Joran about who he might have talked to and calls a meeting with Freddy, Jamie, Guido, Koen and the Kalpoe brothers.  He probably threatens them with the idea that they could be charged as accessories and it would be better if they all stuck with the same story.  He then reassures them that there would be “no body; no crime” and promises to arrange legal representation, if the need should arise.

Joran ends up sitting in jail and in his brilliance he decides he can shift blame toward the Kalpoe brothers and get out.  He takes ALE to where the body was first hidden, but unbeknownst to him Natalee’s remains have been moved.  He then realizes his goose is cooked and he pounds on the hood of the polis car out of frustration.

Now the $64,000 question!  What became of Natalee’s body and how many were involved?

I would say at this time there were police officers involved in moving her body.  I would put Van der Straten at the top of the list because he is the one who said I have seen the evidence.  Forget Dennis Jacobs he is too fat to move out of his own way.  I believe there is one more officer involved.  They probably took her body to a secure place where no one would see her.  Might this be a crypt or the morgue until they could decided what to do permanently.

Easy you might be right that it could have been Satish with Joran and Paulus gave Satish a ride home.  I always found it strange why Joran was telling Deepak he was home.  He probably said to Deepak I will catch you on line when I get home.

I don't know if I truly believe it all went down at the beach yet.......but perhaps the only truth Dompig told was that the body was moved numerous times  :x

wreck you raise another good point, has Joe T spoken anywhere in defense of Joran since the launch of this book? If not then we know he's distancing and backpedaling...for real.

I don't believe the beach story either.  It happened at the Sloot home.  All these suspects are distancing themselves from the Sloot home.  Paulus could have temporarily buried her until he gets a grasp on what just happened at his home.  Paulus made many phone calls that night and a lot of people will go down if he starts naming names.  These people all helped Paulus and Paulus in turn shit all over them to his own benefit.  Remember Paulus said too many people would get hurt.  Paulus is dangling that over everyone head.  He knows all the names and he is not afraid to tell if they don't go along with him.

Like you said Nonesuche "Cut the disease off at the head".  Eliminate Paulus and this case is over.

Good morning.  

I have always believed that sweaty bastard is right smack in the middle of this whole thing with his delicious sporter.  I don't how many of these other degenerates are involved or to what extent.  

I think a lot of people know what happened.  

I don't think any of them have the balls to tell the truth on their own.

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Whatever happened to Natalee probably took place at Joran’s, but they could have taken her lifeless body to the beach with the idea of just leaving her close to her hotel.  After trying to shake her back to life, they realized that they had been seen with her and they needed to do something with the body.

I don’t think the three numb nuts could have come up with a successful plan, so that puts Paulus in the position of orchestrating the cover-up.  He probably did call in some favors and got a couple of dirty cops to get rid of the evidence.

Good Morning Anna.  I'll take mine light with two sugars :)

I agree Peaches.  When good paid a visit to evil the day Beth went to Paulus' home evil Paulus lost and showed the world just how guilty he was.

There is corroboration for Freddie's version of events of Joran telling him that on Monday just as Freddie says.  Friends of Jug at the International School on Wednesday were told by the Headmaster than on Monday, Paulus brought Joran to school late and told him:

According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.

The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."


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This was Alibi 1.0 and by Tuesday, just as with Freddie, it was up to the Security Guard story, Alibi 2.0.  I don't think even a Sloot would tell both stories at the same time.  

I know not everybody believes Joran even went to school on Monday but I do think he was there for at least part of the day.  I think Joran may well over estimate his capacity for alcohol just as much as he does his charm for the ladies and that he was likely still drunk at school blabbing away about this.

And supposedly he rides the school bus to the racketball club.

Headmaster supposedly told this all to the Friends of Jug at the school.  Now he doesn't say that any more.  Or does he?

If his statement was taken early on, that quote is from the National Enquirer but they do get things right once in a while and that was from July 15, 2005, before the headmaster sent away for the entire summer apparently to Africa.

The Headmaster is American and I once had hopes he would tell the truth.  But what he is saying is that Joran and Paulus knew far too early that Natalee was missing and not making her flight back.

Someone may have Jug's interviews on this, there were two, it is in two parts and I think the second part is no longer posted on the internet but I remember it well.  And he said Joran was talking and saying this on Monday before news was out that anybody was missing.

So ALE has this from two sources and yet no one is in jail for doing this?

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Good morning all

Thanks for the coffee Anna

Does anyone have the court schedule handy?Wasn't something scheduled for June 1?

Case Number: BC363407
ELIZABETH ANN TWITTY ET AL VS DEEPAK KALPOE ET AL
Filing Date: 12/14/2006
Case Type: Other PI/PD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
06/01/2007 at 08:35 am in department 33 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Quash (Service of Summons By SpeciallyAppearing Defts. Deepak Kalpoe& Satish Kalpoe;(2) CASE MGMT. CONF.-C/F 4/16/07)

Good Morning everyone!  Hope you had a great weekend.  I just read Ramm's translation of Chapter 8 and I am so outraged I can't stand it.  Joran is an evil, lying, manipulating POS.  What kind of person could write such things, so hateful and ugly.   :evil:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
06/06/2007 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))

06/20/2007 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Case Management

I've been thinking about the conversation that Marcia Twitty supposedly had with some of the students(not sure if it's rumor or true?).
It was where Marcia was telling them if this gets out we'll all go down and even Natalee...what if she was saying that if what they knew could get them killed?And at that time they thought Natalee was still alive and if the students told what they knew it could get Natalee killed?I'm not good at putting things into typed words but hope this makes sense.

Thanks,Klaas

Joran is angry.  He wants to degrade Natalee any way he can.  Natalee destroyed him and his life will never be the same and Joran knows it.  Everyone stares at him when he walks down the street.  He can't travel like he used to and more importantly he can't go into a bar and drug tourists in Aruba likes he is used to.  So he is mad and he is blaming Natalee and wants to destroy her memory any way he can.  BUT GUESS WHAT?  IT'S NOT WORKING AND ONLY MAKING HIM LOOK LIKE THE MONSTER HE IS.

He screwed up the party for all the other pimps too and I hope they don't forget that!

Well,the sporter and friends were in the comics today.Guess where I am calling from,hell.I hope this ends soon,as Don Giovanni ended.The arts and life are so close at times.I think there were two crime sites,the rocks and joran's,in any order.

Trust me,they don't forget,anything.Who was in Miami,for PVDS to see.

I guess the part about Freddy's statements that confuses me -- is I thought Freddy spent the night at Joran's???

Isn't that what we were told early on?

So many lies in so little time.  :twisted: But I still feel that the TRUTH lies in the early stories. Before June 10. Before the misinformation campaign


Working and lurking.

I agree. Not sure of the order, either.

I'll guess.

Freddy's greasy brother?

This is who I thought of also.

But who was the owner of the site that Joran downloaded pictures or movies.  Is that Mr. Pink?

Van der Straten will be at the top of the list.  JMO.

I trust Jossy.I think it had to be more in Miami than Freddy's brother,like crime lords.A lot of Money cleaning comes from Miami,several banks would fail ,if the drug trade stopped.Big banks,very big banks.

I never heard that.  I heard that Marcia on behalf of the FBI confiscated all their cameras and asked them not to talk, also on behalf of the FBI, since this case was still under investigation and they gave their statements at that time to the FBI, and a few others were requestioned when Dampig came to Birmingham.

I hardly think Natalee destroyed him.  I think his parents destroyed him by being losers and not raising the boy properly.  They had no control over him because they are 60s type kinda hippies who read that Dr. Spock book and thought that was enough.

The crime itself was petty (***on an International scale-- not to Natalee or us) but the COVER-UP was MONUMENTAL in its implications!

A very good post by facil at FOB:

facil wrote:

Beth is Natalee’s mother and she knows her daughter.  Natalee has an established track record based upon her academic achievements, her participation in extracurricular activities and her volunteer work.  There are many red flags when an adolescent has problems with substance abuse, or are the subjects of other abuses.  Nothing about Natalee’s behavior indicated such problems.  Did she go to parties with her friends?  Yes, I would assume so.  Did she drink too much while in Aruba?  Most likely.  Did Beth know everything her daughter did?  Doubtful.  But, none of that changes the facts that she is gone without a trace.

 

Joran also has a track record.  Read his book for details.

I always thought one of our earlier posters here who used to argue until her face turned blue with her lies was connected to Mr. Pink and she was adamantly a supporter of Deepak, if you recall.  I think she was somehow involved.  I wish we still had her posts.  She posted on the front page lies about Natalee running away, under a different name from the one she used here.

I saw that exchange earlier.  facil is doing a good job.

Almost as much fun as seawolf.

yep :D

Apparently not in some cultures, Wreck.  We Americans and Anglos in general are completely outraged but I suspect there are places where this is business as usual and they don't even understand how we think something should be done about it.

But I do!  I want those who committed crimes in this cover up punished almost as much as the ones who did this.

If Joran were innocent, I can't imagine he would be trashing a victim, any victim like this.

GEL,
I don't believe Marcia Twitty ever said any such thing.  She is not stupid and would never say that to a group of teenagers no matter what.  I don't think they are very afraid so far away from the domain of evil.  MB is very protected area.  Not gated but might as well be.

Last thing those thugs want, especially Posner, is anything to do with this happening on U.S. soil for then we might be able to fry the lot of them!

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The reason it should be tried in Alabama as an international crime, and our prayers should be such, that this case can be tried in Natalee's home state as an international crime against humanity and an international kidnapping.  There is no body, right.  That makes it a kidnapping.  If it was not, and the family had a body, it could be called a murder.  This is a kidnapping with intention to rape and murder.  Now if our federal attorneys in Alabama can just get their caps put on correctly, there is hope it can be brought state-side and tried.

I agree, Anna, that was big talk from Refugees about what Marcia Twitty said.  It was not just a figment of their imagination, it was a downright malicious lie.

I doubt Marcia said that either-was just thinking if so there was a good reason and not what the darkside is implying.

well,it can't be tried in Alabama,under the conflicts of Laws concept.The Hague would be the correct nexus.The Sociopath isn't cured or made by upbring,only emboldened.Now,all that can be done is put them down.San,are you up for the job and do you have a black mask.

Klass,you have mail.Where does Mr pink live

I saw a very bright international attorney, Eastern Indian on TV one day, who said it can be tried in Alabama.  I know nothing about law myself but I asked one of my attorney brothers from Florida, and he said it could but it would be very delicate and there would be many barriers to cross, but it is possible.  He, himself, is no longer a criminal lawyer because he came to the realization that 99.9% of the accused are criminal and the law does not allow enough punishment.  He went back to school and started prosecuting fraud, particularly insurance fraud.  There was a ripe field for it in Florida at the time.

well maybe joran could share a cell with paris,brittany and lindsey,and try to decribe their panties

How can you describe something that doesn't exist?? :wink:

That would be a good test, Tiger. Put him in a dark car with them at night and see if he could describe the embroidery on their navy blue underpants. If he couldn't, he'd be put under the jail for life. :wink:

Exactly.the reason it won't be tried here,is every aurgument would go to Scotus and Alice Martin won't.She has other fish to fry that won't tie her office for years.If she overcome the hurdles,which is a maybe,at best.I would love to see it,but I won't live that long.

Klaas - would you please post one of those photos of Natalee showing the outfit she wore to C&C. I would like to refresh my memory on what Joran thinks is such a short skirt that when she sat down in the car he could see her underpants.

TY

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BT,you are so right on that matter.What was the childrens rhyme,I ve seen Londan,I ve seen France,where are there underpants

 :smt081

So true.  For Brittany, we have documentation on that, too.

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That's what I've been saying Tiger!

We have race tracks, dog tracks, casinos and 'casino boats'.

Oh yeah -- and all the private parties all the big rollers who visit South Beach and the Hard Rock have arranged for them.

And that's just the legal stuff.

And Brickell Ave has all the international banks.

South Florida -- a money launderer's paradise.

But most of us are just normal folk who love the weather  :oops:

Bt,they were wearing a long skirt.IIRC,the statements said when she did the belly shot,she wouldn't let the bar tender lift the blouse up as high as he wanted.Modesty

Have we not been told that every rapist/murderer saves a souvenir from the deceased as his trophy?  My guess would be Joran saved Natalee's panties.

9/21/06 - KLPD announces an agreement has been made and they are taking over, reviewing the dossier and will return to Aruba.

9/26/06 - Pres. of Courts Luis Delannoy climbs out of his rathole to make his first public comments on case. Talks of how limited the judicial role has been in the case and how the judges can only react to the information given to them by the Prosecution.

 :arrow: No coincidence that Delannoy felt the need to defend the judges the same week that the KLPD took over, considering all the inexplicable rulings handed down that favored the suspects. Also no coincidence that every decision since, suspect status / Paulus compensation / searches, have gone in favor of the prosecution.

would be typical,to take a prise,and I wonder about the other twenty

Posted by 10061906 on the front page of SM:

If Natalee were buried with another body: this would be my guess.

http://www.mementomori.com/05137.html

Jalitza Marie Wever
21 Mar 1962 - 02 Jun 2005
 
Funeral took place: 06 Jun 2005, Oranjestad, ARUBA

I agree.  If Natalee was put in a crypt, this would be a likely one to look at.

Yep, I thought it was a fairly long skirt too. I was in college in the 60s, and I used to wear skirts so short that the slightest wrong movement would expose my underpants to the whole world. I know about sitting in cars so that my underwear wouldn't be exposed. From what I've seen of the skirt Natalee was wearing, that certainly wouldn't have been a concern of hers in that outfit. Joran is just practicing his lying abilities again.  :wink:

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And the phone and computer records are useless as they are so obviously not complete.  At one time Joran said something about picking up his phone from his girlfriend's house but didn't do that yet he had a cell phone so how many did he have?

Did he just steal another one when he needed it?  Jossy has alluded to his stealing from kids at school and we know he not only took his brother's but for some very odd reason broke the chip in it.  I wonder what he was hiding doing that.

Here is an interesting product, too.  Note the inventor's place of origin.  I keep saying they have the world's best hackers!  They do and I have the dead hard drives to prove it.

quote:

The Slurpr has, if nothing else, a great name. Modern computer equipment is notable for slurping everything around it, be it power, attention, money, porn, and so on. This box, however, slurps Internet, aggregating all the WiFi it can get its hands on.

Currently, it can only grab open networks with its 6 wireless interfaces, combining them into a monster broadband connection for ultra-fast downloads. Anyone in a well-connected apartment block will know just how much pipe this thing could get them; they'll likely know how much trouble stealing it could end with, too.

The creator, Dutch hacker Mark Hoekstra, clearly understands this: he's working on an upgrade that will automagically crack WEP Wifi security to steal closed networks too. Damn the torpedoes, eh?

From my viewpoint, there are two aspects to this case that make it different from other unsolved missing persons cases:  

1.  THEY'VE GOT THE PERPS!  Just reading what this website has collected, the statements given to ALE, makes them looking 'guilty as hell' and we don't have all the statements.  This isn't a no leads, no one knows, everyone has an alibi case.  For those who say there's no evidence, you look to how the case was handled.  I don't need to preach to the choir here.  

2.  Aruba showed what it thinks of Americans and American tourists.  From 'how much money do you have' to blaming Natalee for getting into a car with three Aruban sons, as if there can be no crime if she drank too much or went willingly.  What a stupid, stupid thing for Anita to bring up in her big FOX interview.  NATALEE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAFE WITH YOUR SON!  Instead, Anita and the protesters in Aruba say she went willingly (???) so......     Dennis Jacobs adding that they sometimes put drugs in the drinks at a very popular tourist spot instead of closing the place down and putting a stop to it tells all.

(Did y'all know those little bits of paper in the top of Hershey's kisses have different sayings on them? I just ate three as my dessert after lunch. One said "A Kiss For You," one said "Smile," and one said, "I Love You."  :D )

I wonder how many years they've been like that and I never noticed.  :oops:

Thanks, Klaas. Her skirt certainly doesn't look that short to me.

This would be someone who didn't die until two days later. Do you make anything of that? Who was this woman?

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i got one the other day that

JORAN IS GUILTY

Did you mention drugs?   :lol:  :lol:

I can understand that Natalee might have felt self-conscious. Most females do, even in skirts longer than Natalee's, when they get into or out of a car. I don't see the skirt as being so short, though, that Joran could identify the embroidery on her underpants in a dark car.

Pffttt!!! He is SUCH a liar!  :roll:

Note Lee beside Natalee is much taller and has a much shorter skirt.  The one Natalee is wearing would not show underpants unless one wanted it to.  

Despite all their fantasies, I don't think Natalee was into enticing the Kalpoes.  And I wonder how so much went on in that tiny back seat according to Joran.  I can barely sit in one and suspect he is approx. twice my size and would take up all the space.  

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 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I want one of those!!!!!

it looks like a skirt that is really shorts


not that im an expert on womens clothing  8)

I'm not sure that it is, robots. Usually, with one of those "skort" thingies, you can see the flap where the skirt part comes over the shorts in front. I don't see that in any of Natalee's photos.

you are probably right  8)

Most southern girls are taught how to sit, too, and if we don't do it right, out mothers beat us with the hairbrush!

I am only half kidding.

 :D

I totally understand what you are saying, Anna.  :lol:

And I can recall in PE class at school that if the girls didn't sit in a ladylike manner, even in their gym shorts, the PE teacher would order them in the loudest possible voice to "sit like a lady!"

I remember Jug was talking on one the the news shows and at one point said this is bigger than Natalee. :shock:

 :?:

Not sure what you mean LilPuma.

I think a big chunk of the money that 'needs' laundering comes from drugs and prostitution sales. If that's what you mean?

I saw the same bright attorney on TV and heard the same thing you did.

Do not all pounce on me ... hear me out!!

To some extend my heart goes out to Joran Van der Sloot.  I believe that this young man is a product of his upbringing.  His parents had a God-given responsibility to teach him that there are legal and moral boundaries that have been established for his well being and the well being of others.  His parents also did not teach him that there are consquences that have to be faced for making personal choices to disregard those established boundaries.

These untaught and unlearned lessons of life will have far reaching consequences ... consequences that reach beyond the Natalee Holloway case ... consequences which imply that "other Natalees" are at risk ... consequences that dictate that Joran will be eventually be held accountable ... held accountabile when he stands alone before the judge of all judges for this ultimate ruling ... no high paid attorneys ... no Daddy ... no Mommy.

That being said ... I do  believe that a higher judgement that awaits Paulus and Anita Van der sloot.  John Kelly words rang true when he implied ... it was a Father's enabling that put all the event into motion in regards to the the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet


John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

or maybe Daddy dearest did.

And mom found his stash........what a tangled web......

:lol:  We beat our sons with hairbrushes also for running stop signs.

trafficking drugs, sex and money. :wink:

I did some research on the web on this very thing.  Granted, all I had access to were the websites and articles written by international attorneys, but I did get the impression that the case could be tried in Alabama if the attorney general of the state instigated the process and carried it through.  Most definitely it is possible.

Klaas wasn't one of the crypts that were broken into had the name Wever on it.

Perhaps this was one of the burial sites that Dompig was referencing when he said she was moved more than once.

Skorts.  

A great idea that seems to come and go.....

That's the trifecta Tyler.

Still, most of us that live here are just normal folk who just love the weather  :lol:

I thought Lil Puma was saying we love the weather and the drugs  :lol:

Really -- Miami Vice was jsut a TV program  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thank God it goes . . . . most unattractive on middle-aged and older women who chose to wear them in public. :lol:

This is from a news story about the Madelein McCann case. If cell phone tracking could be done with this much precision in 2002, couldn't it have been done in 2005 to determine where exactly all those mopes were on the night of the 3oth and the following days? Y'd think so.


"The mobile telephone tracing technique was used to collect evidence that helped to convict Ian Huntley for the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in 2002.

"Trails are created by silent transmissions sent out by every mobile phone even when not in use. Each signal is picked up by masts, which create a timed computer log of the handset’s movements. By measuring the strength of the signal, the location of the handset can often be narrowed to an area as small as a few square yards."

Sharon, I totally understand.  No state is without its criminal element and no country, and the reason for California and Florida to have more than their fare share, is perhaps, the oceanic access to come and go so easily.

Yes, we do, among other things.   :D

I heard this discussed (I think by Kimberly Guilfoy) who stated it is not exact and there was someone prosecuted (I cannot remember where, but think it was California) based on this technology which was too unexact, and that person later turned out to be innocent.  In 2007, it was stated it to be more exact).  I think that was about 2-3 weeks ago I heard that.

Yes and usually she preferred a magaphone or bullhorn to do just that.  You had to sit the same in gym shorts as though wearing a skirt.

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Thanks, Tyler. I remember we had a big long discussion about cell phone signals early on. I never followed the technicalities of what everyone was saying.

I asked Shizaru and he said yes, the translation is correct.

In his 6/13 PV Joran does say that he could have told Freddy the HI story on monday.

Well, if Joran admits that he could have told Freddy the story on monday afternoon/evening then it follows that he knew Natalee was missing.

And all Joran had to do was be using Sander's or anybody else's cell phone.

Trace would be on the phone not the person and he has admitted stealing his brothers phone before.

Easy enought to steal one some place along the way or did Joran have two to start with?  Did he make a practice of just taking others and using them?

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Just when you think you have heard it all, the Netherlands gets even sicker, what a disgusting place...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276043,00.html

The same reason that On-Star can find you...built in GPS.

I could never explain it as well as our Metro did one time but I think it's all in the GPS.....

Yes, he should be saying that it would have been impossible because he didn't yet know Natalee was missing but he did know and we know how he knew.

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Off to work and lurk. . . .

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Port Valerie, the issue with WHY there isn't more concrete cell phone tracing is likely due to the one fact that Digicel is the provider who is also Charles Croe's distribution network for his company. Who trusts CCroes to push for accountable tracing/reporting or worse, to use his connection to Digicel to suppress such info? I don't trust CC one iota.

Tamikosmom-

I agree Joran is who he is today due to parental lack of care and discipline or even morality, but at what point since we consider 18 year olds 'adults' in this world does he choose to obey the law? If choice isn't part of that equation then every child from a broken home or who has had hard times has an excuse for criminal behavior?

Joran is old enough to know what he's doing, we're seeing that all in writing now in his hand and it's infuriating people - as it should.

.... and he knew that Natalee Holloway was dead.

Why else would Joran think that following his tennis lesson on the evening of May 30, 2005 that Natalee could possibly still be lying by the Fisherman's Hut?

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there.

Joran was under the age of 18 at the time. When (not if) this starts to close-in -- I believe Paulus et al will try to pin EVERYTHING on Joran because he will get off the easiest.

I was teasin' ya because you seemed to cover everything except the drug trade that is quite the popular career choice in South Florida.

wreck I agree Paulus will use that, but Joran IS 18 and wrote the book at age 18. I guess knowing that at my daughter's parent/student orientation for college I was told even if she was raped I would not be contacted by the administration since she was 18, would not receive grade reports, would not have access to any of her student records but just accountable for the bill - it hit home to be how 18 truly is the marker for adulthood as per our society.

That was my point for at age 18 he's published a book which he should be accountable for as a result.

None -- I know the consensus has been that Charles Croes can't be trusted. Still, he was the one who went straight to the vds door on the first night. He claimed the kids on the beach said "oh that's Joran's car" but actually it was not: it was Deepak's car and would more probably have led him to the Kalpoes house. The kids on the beach, of course, remain untraced and there is only CC's word for what they said. He's an odd figure in the story.

Joran's book reveals a mean streak. I especially dislike the parts where he says that he was interested in Ruth early in the evening and hardly noticed Natalee. And the parts where he drags in a few unknown people getting off the bus or something. And the part where he has Natalee supposedly say something that will make the Kalpoes enraged. He's having a good time throwing stuff against the wall to see whom he can hurt and what might stick. I feel like he's laughing while writing some of this.

I wonder if Greta is still smitten by this innocent-looking charmer.

I'd be willing to bet she is. If she couldn't see what he was from interviewing him, reading the book won't change her mind, IMO.

And yes, I think you're right about Joran being mean. It still irks me very much that he talks about how Natalee said her family had a plantation with slaves. There is absolutely no way anyone Natalee's age would have made such a comment, even to be funny. I think it was Joran's way of trying one more time to make her look bad, and he didn't realize how ridiculous it would sound to people from the US.

leaving the building

She is probably just jealous of the color of lipstick and the false eyelashes he was wearing in that interview he did with her buddy, Cuomo, and wanted him on to see if she could get some tips from him before her next plastic surgery.

News was depressing at lunch.  The breaking story was about a 23-year-old mother in Texas that had been found hanging in her closet next to her four daughters.  An 8 month old survived.  They think it was murder/suicide at this time.

I agree 100%.  I believe that each of us ... no matter what our lot in life is ... as adults we have have the ability to determine right and wrong based on logic ... common sense ... the standards established by a civilized society and ... each of us has to take personal responsibility for the choices we made.  This is why I made it clear in my post ... if Joran is not held accountable by Aruba/Holland for his participation in the events encompassing the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing ... there will still be a day of accounting where his status as Paulus' son will have no bearing on the judgement.

Janet

Monkeys - SunFreak mentioned this several weeks ago; this is a REMINDER and suggested email.

Send this (or similar) to your local radio station that plays Classic Rock / Golden Oldies music. Or call the request line. Need to get on this pretty quickly ...

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Natalee Holloway is the high school graduate from Alabama who disappeared in 2005 during a trip to Aruba with many of her classmates. She was last seen at around 1:00 a.m. on Monday, May 30, as Carlos & Charlies was closing. It was the group’s last night on Aruba.

It is almost certain that she died that morning, but her body has not been found. Foul play is definitely suspected.

Coming up on the two-year mark of this occasion, I have a special music request.

* While on the trip, some number of the group went to C&C’s every night. They always asked the DJ to play Lynard Skynard’s “Sweet Home Alabama.”

* In Natalee’s yearbook, as a senior, she chose this quotation to accompany her class picture, from Lynard Skynard’s “Freebird”:
   If I leave here tomorrow
   Would you still remember me?
   For I must be traveling on, now,
   'Cause there's too many places I've got to see.

It would be wonderful if <the station> could emphasize these songs (especially “Freebird”) throughout May 29 and 30.

And should the DJ mention that “This one’s for Natalee,” there are many followers of this case who would know exactly why …

Thank you; I enjoy your music.

(name)

***

Be SURE to say Thank You.

The request has been done.where do we go from here,just leave or continue,as we did when a young woman in LA went missing.I hope many of us continue,as an honor to Natalee and her memory.we need to remember the horrific effect of drugs and porn.There are no victemless crimes.to bad we can't test for a joran and lock him up early.

I head Freebird earlier.it now moves me.

we must not stop or forget,that is the American way.

Also in the category of proactive things to do ... I am reposting this to draw attention to the June 17-July 1 New Orleans travel show. Richard posted this on the Front Page, and klass copied it to the travel show thread (link below).

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=80

I saw LS "Live at the (save the) Fox" mid-70s. Awesome concert, recorded, and "Freebird" lasts a looooonnnnng time.

"Lynard Skynard" is carved in the Fox lobby now, with other major donors to the cause.

The Hilton on Poydras Street is right on the Mississippi River (right at the French Quarter).

I know about the Fox.We know about aruba and Natalee and her life.Such a waste.Maybe joran should have the bus get him.I don't think Paulus would put it on Joran,to close to home,better Boeti or the K2's

**** Oh yeah!!!

I forgot to tell you all.......... I traveled on American Airlines to Denver and back this weekend. They had an advertisement for an Aruban Hotel in their in-flight magazine "American Way." Needless to say, I added a few "Reviews" of Aruba to every copy I could find both there and back!!

I agree; Paulus would do anything to protect his son.

Tiger, have you seen today's Drudge Report? There's a story about a white tiger who swims - underwater! Amazing pictures.

Also, tiger, I know of Jack London's Wolf Larsen. Is that the Sea Wolf you've met?

well,her yearbook is Greek Ethos,Freebird and its lyric's right before aruba.A chilling coincidence,maybe.

wreck - I just posted your tidbit of info, about where the hotel is, on that Travel/ATA thread.

Yes,I saw the pictures and i to swim.Jack Larsen is who I meant,what a coincidence,a Larsen in her class.hmmmm,but it maybe me,or it could be Spartecus,or whomever.It could a series of Mnt Brook Grads.To bad we will never learn who,the Seawolf is

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It's actually right at the dome.  I think you enter the dome from Poydras so if one can see that dome, it would be easy to find Poydras.  It's all there right together.

Seawolf is also a Class of attack submarines.  The stealth silent type.

 :wink:

silent but deadly.   8)

No, it is actually on the river (not at the Superdome) -- I have stayed there 4-5 times.  There may be another Hilton there (I am postive there is a Hyatt at the Dome) as well.

2 Poydras St
New Orleans, LA 70130

the seawolf in this case is a larsen.also deadly.who cares what gets their panty collection in a wad,as long as it is a nervous wad,very uptight wad.

I emailed KEZ, our local station in Phoenix, about playing "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Freebird" for Natalee.  Hope they do.

Joranwolf is a no class sexual predator who also attacks without warning, and stays silent afterwards.
 :evil:

Directions to the Hilton Riverside, is this not the right one?

From the West: Follow Interstate 10 to Downtown/East/Slidell, exiting at Poydras Street. The off-ramp becomes Poydras Street. Follow Poydras Street south where it ends at the hotel's front circle drive entrance.       

From the East: Follow Interstate 10 Downtown/West, exiting at Canal Street/Superdome. Follow signage to Superdome/Poydras Street, turning left onto Poydras Street. Follow Poydras Street south to where it ends at the hotel's front circle drive entrance.

But Paulus Was Interested In Natalee ...........

He Was'nt Home Feeding The Little Predator .........

When Did The Texas Holdem Tournament Become A Caribbean Stud

Tournament ..............

Your Own FATHER ..........

Natalee Was Selected For The Grand Predator Paulus ..............

 8)

I agree, Widget.  Otherwise, why are they so secretive about Paulus being on that casino tape?  Why did Paulus lie about the little boys being at home when we know they went to NL with Anita?  Why, why, why coverup that Paulus sat right next to Natalee at the blackjack table and tried to engage her in conversation?  One reason--Paulus wanted Natalee for his own pleasure, the pervert.

Silent Afterwards .........

Not This Joran ..........

He's Proud ........

His Big Foot Looks Good In His Little Mouth ...........

 8)

Hi AZLady .........

Could Be The Perps Were Waiting For The Assault On Natalee By

Paulus To End Before Going Back To His House From The Raquet Club ..

Maybe Paulus Was At Carlos & Charlies At Closing Time .................

 8)

The directions are probably right. Poydras Street starts at the Mississippi River and goes West on past the Superdome. The Hilton is ON the river and the Superdome is about a mile East of there.  They are both "downtown" -- the Hilton is at the Edge of The French Quarter -East by the River. The Superdome is on the West side of Downtown and more South of the Quarter. Google the address I gave and see the map!

I'm assuming this is Beth Holloway Twitty:


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I don't think Paulus would be at C&C's at closing.  He would wait for the perps to deliver the goods at his house.  But that might be why the three perps said they went to Joran's house but didn't go in.  Maybe they took Natalee in to Paulus and then had to go kill some time before going back there.  Although, I rather doubt it, as they could have just as easily waited in Joran's apartment/room while the assault went on in the main house.  

I think they were seen near the Racquet Club trying to figure out what to do with a now dead girl.  Should they leave her on the beach, as they usually did with their unconscious victims, or take her back to Joran's, or try to bury or hide her body?  What a conundrum at 3 AM!

who blew the margins,again.where is Carpe and Robots on a day like today

We've been waiting for this book.  The publication info says it will be out in October 2007.  I'm ordering mine now.

Hi Tiger.  My margins are fine.  Wonder why yours look blown?  Haven't seen Carpe or Robots yet.  I've just been hanging here and doing some housework in between.  Slow today.

where are the pimps today

How do we know that Paulus' two younger sons were in Holland on the evening of May 29, 2005 and the morning of May 30, 2005.  I cannot comprehend Paulus lying about an issue that could be checked up on so easily.  There are the relatives in Holland ... the airliner records ... the friend who drop one of boys off at home  ... the school bus driver ... the school headmaster ...

Janet

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.

Could Be ...........

But The 3 Times Around The Block Could Be To Give Paulus Time

To Get To The Compound & Spring The Trap ...........

 8)

IN A Cover-Up Any Fabricated Story Would Seem To Be Fact ........

Do You Have REAL Proof Janet That The Little Predators Were In Aruba..

Do You Believe That Its Not Paulus In The Casino Next To Natalee..

Show Me The MOney Janet ... Not Hearsay ...........

 :roll:

anyone who has pictures of themselves on the internet leading their gay lover around with a leash around his neck, pictures of themselves biting crotches, pictures of themselves passed out drunk, and dating women who screw dogs - if you have any or all of the above:

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY DEORGATORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF NATALEE"S SKIRT.

And The Final Exam That The Predator Aced Turned Into A MOCK Exam

Cause We All Proved That The Exams Did'nt Take Place Til Later That ....

Week ..........

 8)

Blah,you are correct.But why do we think guido is gay,because they said so,hmmmmmmmmmmmm.I don't think so,my gaydar is silent on him.The dog thing is animal cruelty,here and a felony

And Joran Finished 24th In THe Class Of 25 ...............

Hes A Sporter Ya KNow ...........

 :roll:

i will come back later.

please, that kid is queer as a 3 dollar bill.  doesnt mean he is incapable of raping or harming a woman.

I distinctly recall Anita saying that she and the two younger boys were in Holland for a family reunion when she was talking to Greta at her home.  Remember the interview with Anita and Paulus where Paulus left the room to ostensibly answer the phone and Anita spoke with Greta?  That's the one.

Now this is something I never thought of but could very well be true.

Hi Widget good to see you.

I thought anita had 4,one older in Holland and the others,IIRC.nothing tonight on Greta,suprise.

The gallows always has room for one more,paulus.just think paulus,we all know what you did last summer.

Hi San .............

My Little Girl Came Up With The Paulus At C & C ..........

Good To See You Too ........

I Always Like Your Comments ........

 8)

1. No
2.  Yes

Widget ,,, this detective wannable only speculates ... deriving those speculations from a foundation of transcripts ... declaration ... articles ... accumulated through many hours of reading.  I then freely share my research on the SM Forum.  I also query other posters in regards to the foundations for their speculations.  In other words ... "Give and Take".

Widget ... I thought maybe I had missed some documentation that refuted Paulus' declaration regarding his youngest sons' whereabouts on the night/morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.  That is the only reason I queried ZALady's contention that the boys had been with their mother in Holland.

Janet

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers: Right on the money, Blah!

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If you want it, Tamik!

Janet, do you have the transcript of the conversation Beth had with Anita and Paulus?  The one where Paulus was sweating profusely and had to leave to answer the phone?

Hi Janet ..........

I Just Read AZLadys Post About Anita Stating Her & The Little Predators

Were In Holland When Interviewed By Greta But I Dont Remember That

Statement. ..........

I Would Love To Hear It Or Read It ........

Paulus Being At The Casino In The Video Blows The Alibi Of Him

Being Home Feeding The Little Predator ........

JOran Even Makes A Statement To The Fact That He Was ALONE

At The Table With Natalee ( Unsolicited Remark ) ..

THat Tells Me For Sure Its Paulus ..........

 8)

I don't believe Paulus when he says they were home.  Look at the examples and look who is telling us the information.

The friend who picked them up - Did this friend give a statement.
The head master - Did he ever give a statement.
The relatives in Holland - All a bunch of liars.
The airlines - Once again Holland - I'll take Widgets word over Paulus any day.
The 15 year old son who was home - Did he give a statement

If Sander G was old enough to give a statement for Joran why wasn't his brother who was the same age.

If he did not give a statement it is because Paulus doesn't want to risk him getting in trouble if this blows up.

I just checked to see if there was any help needed with the prayer schedule that will start soon and it looks to be all taken care of. You guys are the BEST!

AZLady ... I do not believe there is a transcript of that meeting ... IIRC it was an impromptu meeting that took place when Beth was handing out prayer cards but ... I do have some quotes spoken by both Greta and Beth.  I would gladly look them up if you would like.

Janet

Janet ........

Thank You Also ........

 8)

PAUL-USELESS is ON the VIDEO in the CASINO


if it isnt him, i will eat my EYE BALL


 8)

 :shock:  :shock:  :smt095

HI Robots .........

After Seeing The Photo Of Paulus In Front Of Home With Beth ........

He Is Wearing The Same Shirt That Is In The Video ...........

THe Crease On The Right Arm Is EXACTLY The Same As Video .........

 8)

Thanks but ... no thanks.

I responded yesterday or ... was it the day before ... to your kind offer.  Ducky does not not like to be fussed over ... very tempermental and ... when you consider that I am the one who has to ride on his back as we soar through the heavens ... I do not want to upset him.

Thanks again CBB.

Janet

:cyclops:

Janet, I was confusing the 90 minute talk between Beth and the Sloots with the interviews that Anita and Paulus gave to Greta.  I'm listening to the interviews again now.  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html#

I may very well be wrong, but I swear I heard Anita say she and the boys were in Holland at a family function.

Here's the transcript:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Immediately after the Casino video was shown on ABC -- I came on here and said:  

"You all may think I'm crazy -- but that guy at the table sure looked a helluva lot like Paulus!"

I really could not actually believe it WAS him -- merely because it WAS so obvious and no one was saying it was him!!!

WidgetThe Midget wrote;


I think you are totally correct about this WTM. Paulus is the one who targeted Natalee through Joran IMO. The 3 perps had only to drive around until Natalee became unconscious, bring her back to the  PapaSloot. Paulus is a predator, his peers knew, this is the true reason he was not allowed to be a judge.

hi widge....yeppppppppppppppp  8)  :wink:

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:



 :wink:

Well, it's not in that interview.  Does anyone else remember an interviewer asking Anita if she was in Holland when this happened?  She replied that yes, she and the two younger boys were there at a family function or reunion.  I remember this, but can't recall more detail.

GOOD EYE  8)

Hi AZLady

The following quote spoken by Anita implies that only she returned to Aruba on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 or ... does it? LOL

Janet.

Anita Van Der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I CAME BACK FROM HOLLAND WEDNESDAY, and I WAS SO SURPRISED at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

blah this is particularly well said for I think much of this rolled out of Anita's mouth, all the derogatory nearly puritanical comments advancing the double standard of the VDS' do as I say, not as I do.

Anita as I recall seemed so determined to state specific sexual 'fact' to Beth and to Greta, to the degree that Greta stated it made her uncomfortable?

Looking back now through Anita's commentaries it appears it's just wonderful for her delicious sadist/sporter to experiment with all of her new-age mumbo jumbo..........but isn't it interesting how she has tried to cast natalee as 'loose' and a 'ho'.

cut Anita off at the head too I say......she's as diseased as Paulus

Actually, YES..SM does get a very small percentage of anything ordered through the Amazon link at SM.

I *do* remember that ~ have always wondered why on earth idiot loser paulus kept saying the boys were home blah blah blah.  I thought creepy anita said it during an interview, too ... that they were in Holland for a reunion....as a teacher, I thought how weird they'd just leave school before the semester end.

Exactly!! Rape is a crime that involves the use of power and control. It has nothing to do with 'sex' or sexual preference/sexual orientation...end of story.

Thank you!!!  I knew I heard that.  Now, I just need to figure out where it is.  As a teacher, I also thought it odd that Anita, the teacher, and the two younger boys went to Holland at the end of May, the end of the school year.

Anita was there, she filmed the whole thing, thats why the police took her camera.  Why was her camera at home?  She goes all the way to Holland for a family reunion and doesnt take her camera?  Yeah right.  She was home, with her camera, filming whatever they were doing to Natalee.

Yes and that statement about Deepak bringing two dogs has always concerned me because Fabiene, who somewhat resembled Natalee in stature, etc, liked beastiality.

I don't think so, Blah.  I think Anita and the two younger boys were in Holland.  They didn't take her camera unless it was Joran's room as they only were allowed to search Joran's room.  I do not believe Anita's list of items taken is altogether accurate.

 You are right on both accounts.

Hummm do I need to add this to my signature line :lol:

This is also why Paulus said he had her cell phone, because when they looked at the phone records, they showed that she was in Aruba.

Anita = the mastermind of the whole sick thing.

Yes, I remember.

I said last night he never went home to care for children, that he either went with the pukes or stayed at the HI laying in wait for Natalee, because he gave Guido the high sign that he wanted her and he gave the nod to Joran.  Joran used the K2 to lure her to Paulus somewhere.  Paulus is up to his little peanut-sized brain in this.

Remember Joran's remark to Anita "If you were home this wouldn't have happened"

Daddy Paulus wouldn't have been on the prowl.

I know, I saw the pictures on her girlfriends website with my own 2 eyes.  They were removed about an hour or 2 later.

I remember too -- was it from the Garfoyle(sp?) interview w/ Anita that aired on a Saturday? She was in Aruba -- and we commented that she looked preggers.

Well then if she likes beasts so much, she should marry Joran :wink:   Hello Monkeys

there are ALOT of dog references in this case.

Or they looked at the phone records and it didn't show any activity which is what Paulus wanted it to show.  He was trying to divert them away from his phone.

Paulus knew the phone records could be tampered with.  To this very day we still do not have any phone records of Paulus.  His buddy Nelson Odubor fixed that problem for Paulus.

How did Rudy Croes know that Van der Straten was in contact with Paulus.  Someone has these records.

it all really resonates now doesn't it? that good ole hindsight except so many smart monkeys kept track of what they said, just affirms it all the more !

San I rather like tyler's reference to the plastic coat so use it with my blessing but can we add the plastic coat?  :lol:

that was the fashion faux pas of the century equal to her see-through blouses  :lol:

Yes there is.

San I think Charles Croes, buddy to sit in the office of Jacobs made sure the cell records never delved too deeply. Only he had the actual relationship to accomplish that from the 'inside' with Digicel but Oduber and friends may well have leveraged him to do so....

Hi and Bye real quick..

San ..BT and None check email ! TY and ttyl

thats a good possibility also.

Absolutely!!! From day one -- all we heard was "dead dog" blood on the mattress, dead dogs in abandoned buildings, dead dogs in the street, ETc. etc. etc.!!!!!!! :smt079  :shock:

Her and her skunky butt self.. :lol:

Meaning Anita.

 :lol:

Hi Monkeys :D  :D

Hi Muffy, I didn't shoot anyone today :)

You savin' up your firepower San?

What are the odds that some dude that looks exactly like Paulus, wearing the same shirt Paulus likes to wear, sits down at the blackjack table next to Natalee and Joran the same night Paulus admitted to being there with Joran?  What are the odds that this happens on a night where Paulus lies about what time he picked Joran up?  What are the odds that all this happens on an island with a population of 70,000 people?  What are the odds that Natalee disappears while in the company of Paulus' son that same night?


I'll eat BOTH Robots eyes if that aint Paulus!!!!

 :shock:

MONDAY:

JORAN WAS PICKED UP FROM SCHOOL FOR QUESTIONING.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn't told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn't aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


MELODY states:
"his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your story more believable right? Posted by: Melody | August 14, 2005 04:26 AM

From Joran's book - Freddy's statements:

In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statement that I have told him that Natalee had went unconscious several times and did not recover anymore at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.

Part from Freddy's second (June 13) statement (page 161) :
During the entire conversation Joran mentioned "We" not "I", also when he said that "We" had left the girl behind.
Joran did not tell me the girl was dead. He never used the word "dead". He also did not say if he checked her wrists to see if she still had a wrist-beat (pulse-beat/heartbeat), and if she was still breathing.

I'd blame my laptop but it's pointless......it's me, i can't type for chit  :twisted:  :twisted:

The "we" Freddy is saying that Joran is talking about is probably Joran and paulus.

I thought you were volunteering to eat Robot's "ear" at first -- anyone have dibs on his other facial features?  :wink:  :shock:

 8)  :lol:

Well,we know why the dogs are dead,after what they are used for,a good dog would kill himself.We have rain on the radar,that is good news.

In the interview with Greta he said he was interested in Katherine.

Guess he can't keep his lies straight.

Maybe he was interested in Katherine. Paulus was interested in Natalee.

:lol:  :lol:

I wonder if these 2 girls realize how lucky they are to be alive!

Melody was a Joran defender, ex-girlfriend or whatever...right? I don't understand her logic here. Does she think this information helps Joran?

Don't forget Dave is on Dana tonight.

by the way Good Evening!

You just pray at anytime you wish, but I know you do that anyway. :wink:

If I recall correctly, Paulus would only allow them if providing no cameras were brought in and no microphones.  Is that right?

JORAN'S LIES ARE STARTING TO CATCH UP TO HIM


Joran stated in interview with Greta that he helped Katherine to win some of her money back at the casino, then later he saw her at Carlos n Charlie’s.


VANDERSLOOT: I think her name was Kathleen. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,186581,00.html

JORAN TOLD CHARLES CROES THAT IT WAS NATALEE HE WAS TRYING TO HELP WIN MONEY WHEN THE PARENTS CONFRONTED HIM AT HIS HOUSE

FOX NEWS INTERVIEW WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:
C. CROES: “He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home. And he apparently was a good poker player, or blackjack player, whatever it is, and that he helped her recoup some of her monies, and gave it back to her. And she then considered him her lucky charm.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161373,00.htlm

Yes, I recall.

Yes Tyler.  He didn't not want the cameras in his house.

Yes, I think that was in the Greta interview where nothing was allowed to be taped and when Beth left the house saying she "knew Natalee was at that house."  Then they did state some of the things that were said in the house, but not everything.  I do recall her saying the two younger boys were with her in Holland and then we get these messages that Paulus had to go home because one kid was being dropped off.  We have had that transcript at one time which is completely at odds with these statements.  I distinctly remember them because I had (and I think Anna also) speculated that Anita had left him and took the two boys because it was a strange time of year to take them out of school and for her not to be in her classroom at the close of the school year unless her intent was to not return.  Therein about that same time, she remarks about the school peers calling on her to get Joran to shut his mouth, that he is talking about Natalee and sex, her drowning, etc.

Did I read somewhere that Dave and Robin will be on Monkey Radio tonight?

BTW - Rage Against the Machine has a song called Gorilla Radio (Guerilla Radio)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-XbE_BYqs&mode=related&search=

Dave& Robin Holloway, Jossy Mansur, probably Tim Miller
and Jacque Hollander will be on with an update on her case.
Hope you guys can tune in.

Was it the interview they did on Dutch TV?

Hi Monkeys one and all,

Just here on a drive by but had to drop in.

Off topic but the people are protesting in Venezuela and Curacas against Chavez and his shutting down the negative press or tv stations. I hope they did not wait to long.


Cindy Sheehan has given up her protesting against George Bush and the Iraq war.

All this is probably old news to the Monkeys. LOL

Glad San has not shot anyone today but know she has those emoticon guns at the ready.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol: They had to kill a lot of those little naugas to make that naugahyde coat.   :lol:  :lol:

The same odds here as the DNA evidence on OJ, 1/100,000,000,000.

HAH! The title had me going for a moment.......but true to (their) form, politically based lyrics. I hadn't heard it thanks blah.

Dont even get me started on Cindy, that POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anita posted with Melody at RWV.  My DH called her out and she quickly disappeared.  I cannot remember the name she was using, but her command of the English language was a bit better than Paulus' or Melody's but not perfect.  It was obvious who she was.  I am sure they were sitting on the same bench posting to RWV.  When he called her out, Dan deleted the posts and banned him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
Greta interview with van der sloots.

Dana,

Joe Tacopina in his only comment regarding who's paying for Paulus and Joran legal bills, said it was "friends of Paulus."

Any way to ask Jossy who that could be? When both Joran and Paulus state they would hurt others by revealing the truth, ask Jossy who could that be?

Also, Jossy, someone I have great respect for, always spoke highly of Karin Janssen. Does he stay in contact with her? Where is she and is she "helping" the Dutch in the investigation?

Fox New reports that it's getting very hot in Venezuela.

Carlos Lairo tells me if Chavez orders them to fire real bullets... he's a dead man.

Carlos is in the Venezuelan National Guard.

Good eye, Kermit; that is also what I recall.

Thanks Klaasend..

Oh Chit...
I wonder if I can mow that fast   7 pm Central  :shock:

Sorry have not been around... any news on  these people
Andres Meneses  OR
Francisco Remigio Thiel   indication of an area   on 6/8/2005

Thanks
BBL

You didn't happen to find the video clip of that interview did you Kermit?

That's because Dan is a POS weirdo.

Yes, Tyler I agree with you that Anita's English is pretty good.

Klaas, do we have that early Dutch interview with Paulus of the Ditch and Anita.

Your right, of course.  This does not stand in Joran's defense.  Actually, quite the opposite.  Melody is saying that Joran knew Natalee was missing long before the search for her began, and he told other people she was missing long before he should have known this.

I'm wondering if any of these new people are the person with ED SMIT?

blah here's another one.......I think it should be the national anthem of aruba (maybe it was filmed in aruba?) HEHEHEH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBeIar1R94

Frank, It is probably all the supporters at RU or FOB. They set up a link to pay Taco by Pay Pal. I remember there being a post here from someone transcribing one of the shows Taco was on that all those funds had been used up. LOL

Rob I really do hope it is not to late for Venezuela to take back their country.

Blah , I agree Cindy is a pos.

scroll halfway down the quoted page under the "Related" title box there is a video link

LMAO, do you think they could get enough money to pay for these 7-figure attorneys and trips all over the world.

If you scroll down on the left hand side of the link above you can "watch the interview" video  :wink:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yes, just go to this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

about 1/3 down the page click on the link video.

"Anybody home, knock, knock.........Paulus is hiding in the bushes and Beth gets him to come over to her.

90 minutes they talk in the house.

Klassand LOL - faster than a locomotive - it's superKLASS.

Wish they'd have killed a few more Tyler to make a bag to put over her face. :wink:

OMG, BB.  Where do you find this stuff?  That's so funny.  Gonna make me go to rehab, I say no, no, no!

Exactly.

Bleached, is that Scubajap?

Do all of these descrepencies in the statements and interviews make it back to Dave and Beth somehow?  The Moneys have found so many little things that add up that could easily be overlooked.   Is anyone sending this stuff directly to Dave????

Dayhiker it was on our National News tonight. CBS or NBC I can't remember which.Showed pictures of the demonstrators. Appeared to be mainly female.

Tyler I can't remember which one of the forums I read it on but a poster was asking if there had ever been an accounting of how much money was collected for Jorans defense fund. The poster said they thought there should be ( an accounting) since so many of them had been so concerned about the money donated to Beth and what it was used for.

And, I don't think dumb little Melody knew exactly what she was saying, either.

Thanks Kermit and blah for the transcript and the link. Very interesting to watch again......I see no natural causes for anyone sitting still like Paulus to be sweating like that.......

I guess Joran took Anita's advice about the "writing things down" , hence is book of lies .

He can write things because I think that's very important for a 17-year-old boy to write down certain experiences, just to read it over again later and see if it helps him to come through a difficult time

LOL you right I think!

That's where i was going with this...

What was the reaction at RWV? That Melody just hung Joran?

where is the stuff about Freddy's statement from Jorans book posted?

He can write things because I think that's very important for a 17-year-old boy to write down certain experiences, just to read it over again later and see if it helps him to memorize his lies

I fixed it to say what she really meant.

page 1 of this thread has the newest stuff.

thank you sir !

GRACE: Well, you know what? That is contrary to everything he told police and what he told Natalee`s parents.

Here in the studio with me, Natalee`s mother. Now, when you went to Aruba, you were telling us last night, you got there as quickly as possible. You learned Natalee was missing in the afternoon. You were on a 6:00 PM flight. You got there at around 11:00 PM. And by 3:00 AM-ish you single-handedly, with the help of your Jug, your husband, had found Joran Van Der Sloot, who was still out partying that night around 3:00 o`clock in the morning. And at that time, he spoke to you. He talked to you about Natalee. But here he`s saying he even didn`t know who Natalee was. He didn`t even know her name.


WAGSCHAL interview Joran stated: "When her parents showed up at my door with her picture, I didn`t even know who Natalee Holloway was. I didn`t even know her name."

BUT ON MONDAY HE WAS PICKED UP AND TAKEN INTO THE POLIS DEPT AND QUESTIONED AND MADE A SUSPECT.

Joran's book states he was attracted to Ruth McVey.
Joran told Greta he was trying to win money back for Katherine Whatley
Joran told Charles Croes that he was trying to win money back for Natalee.


WHICH LIE IS TRUTH?

Joran "I lied and thats the truth"

^^^^The only true statement ever spoken by a Van Der Sloot

JOSSY ON NOW!

Look what I found
Thiel Francisco Salinja 5 ...................... 587-1291


JOSSY is a on !!

Jossy !! :smt023

Dang I wish I could listen live.........

you go Jossy, not spending his money on lies and lies and more lies

applause

Jossy "I am not going to read Jorans book, i am not going to spend money for lies lies lies lies...."

Arubans in general are showing no interest in the book

just an fyi to those having issues listening via iTunes, it seems with mozilla I had to open the file and then close out that mozilla tab before it would play?

go figure....

Jossy says we still firmly believe if she is to be found at all, it will be in water.

Jossy "We still are sure that if she is to be found, she will be found in the ocean"


They will be searching in the water east of the Marriot, right where they should be searching, we have felt since the beginning

I sure wish he would at least read the section with Freddy's stuff in it and try to do some research on it.   :cry:

me too

Hey DANA  if you are reading
Why has NO ONE or any Company been charged with the minor crimes  drinking, gambling  etc...

Dompig providing security to companies in Aruba when he is only known by the world for not being able to provide security or an investigation to finding Natalee Holloway.

How could anyone hire this guy for anything?  :shock:

Hey RED...
Did not Jossy say for  govt.  buildings  etc.   :wink:

raising my hand, I think I have the answer teach....

for hotels and companies only wanting to give lip service to security and safety?  :wink:

That's rather convenient isn't it?

HOW DO I GET THE SHOW!!! I"M AT WORK, WHAT'S THE LINK?????

www.scaredmonkeys.com

click on the link on the front page of SM for the show

Oh boy if I did that my machine would freeze and then I would have to reboot my system.

Got it! THANKS KLAAS!

WE are talking about ARUBA.... standard practice if you have the power and a need to pay a debt to someone ???

Dana is saying Jossy said the dutch are still 'around' and Dave says they are in a holding pattern for the last three weeks meaning no new news from the dutch

the DUTCH are gonna get em  8)

Talking about the internet community that supports them and Natalee.

That's how a good investigation works--silently and methodically.

yep  8)

CALL IN AND ASK I WANT TO KNOW TOO !!!!

I didn't mean to scream... :oops:

I don't use the huge command. SOWWY!

Thank-you everyone for the commentary. I appreciate it, will listen later to the pod cast, for some reason I usually can get that, not sure why.

YEAH! Good One!

We could supply them a list!

Dave said to make sure we said hi to bleachedblack for him!!!!





just kidding

Tim Miller in a minute or two

Way to GO!!! DANA... great question and statement!!!!

DANA

If you read this... please ask TIM
Why the ocean  vs the Landfill ???  if he can answer w/o giving too much away.

Dana's saying that Greta has said this may have been a perfect crime.

HUH???

There's an abundance of evidence that this was a sloppy crime and a sloppy cover-up.

Whoooohoooo Dana SLAMMING Greta and "her people" over her "perfect crime" statemements

OldFart? I've always suspected the landfill myself. That would be such a difficult area to conclusively clear.

good question old fart, i'm still not convinced that she isnt in the landfill.  In fact, I think more likely there than in ocean.

Red's talking to Dana!  :D

I'd like to know what rumors Jossy has heard regarding various boats as well if the ocean is #1 to him, but he might not be able to discuss rumor and innuendo?

Red is on now sharing all the disappointment in Greta with Dana  :wink:

they're talking about Greta and the softball interview she did with Joran. Red said he wouldn't mind if FOX gave her her walking papers.

Dana is criticizing Greta for this year's special about Natalee being just a basic replay instead of something new.

Red says that SM, or "we" have more research deduction and insight than MSM.

YOU GO RED!!!!!

you go Red ! It's not something to joke about so glad you said this !

Dana- with TJ Ward's comments about Natalee (during his 640 Atlanta Interview) being taken out to sea and TJ alleging that Paulus' paid Columbians to take Natelee out to sea and disposed of her...is this scenario better than Koen and his boat which Amelia Flaganian quit over ??? What will TIM go on????

question for TIM MILLER - INTERNATIONAL SUPER HERO!!!

It just seems that there was no desire by the entities on Auba to do a proper search.  Remember Reuben and the bulldozers on the White House Lawn comment.  The expiration of the permit to do the search, etc.

I wonder what police vech.   the tag# junior provided came back to..
Anyone remember his real name?  Just wondering If his statements would have been included in the Dr. Phil case too?

Dana and Red are talking about the lame "talking heads" who discuss the case.

Did somebody ask Jossy where Julia is? Does he know she's MIA?  :lol:

CBB no one did ask him that but what a goody  :lol:

The Chief banana and Head Monkey did an awesome job!!!!!

Thanks, Red!

Big Banana ---- Great call!

walk a mile in my shoes  :lol: where is BT, elvis is singing

OF here's a snack break for you, chocolate ganache for father's day  :wink:

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I wish I could hear.......

I think Elvis and I had the same problem, scarf too short, pants too tight, going crazy.

hehe!

There was mention of a movie or video made that that was a play on Natalee's disappearance. Any link to it?

YUM-YUM!!!!!!
Now, THAT'S tempting, nonesy!

I wonder  how Greta  (or who she could ask ) would explain the ALE asking the Kalpoes on 5/31(Tuesday) about a stop at the Marriot beach.
(It the statements on the Internet are accurate..)
 :?

oh Dana, heart be still, hot fun in the summertime my fave  :D

Sorry for Red's Rant but I am so sick and tired of this lame ass media and their do nothing efforts when they could actually serve a purpose.

The truth is that they are useless and do not even pretend anymore that they are just all about the ratings.

They do ZERO investigative journalism ... they have become entertainment only. Nothing more.

And we need to remember that this Lively is posted under the name of someone's likely dead and certainly missing child and to always show proper respect for that as well.

It's not supposed to be fun.  Fun is in the lounge.

 :wink:

Either you have ESP or I am on a delay because you posted this about 15 seconds before the songs switched !!!!!

I remember it  OF and then came the landfill fire, a product likely of methane gas and not  anyone searching.

Yummmy  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/drool.gif)..(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/drool.gif)
Can you ship them ???

I wonder if they even remember the details of the case.

I'm gonna piggyback on to your rant and go off about all of the "news" dedicated to the personal lives of celebrities, reality tv shows, etc.

THIS STUFF IS NOT NEWS AND I DONT WANNA HEAR IT!!!!!!

Tim said they will begin the aquatic search within a month.....

I'm having some trouble hearing Tim. Did he say the ocean search is "a shot in the dark"?

Yipee I can hear the broadcast! Got it on itunes.

BT he said they now have the equipment to reach the 1,000 foot depth so it won't be a shot in the dark as before.....he's very optimistic to be there within a month. He said no ground searches......

Ohhhhh...okay, thanks. Phew! I didn't want it to be a shot in the dark!

But Rosie talked to Elizabeth over the weekend!  Didn't you hear?   :roll:

Never at any time in my entire life have I ever wanted to know one thing about Rosie.  When she attack Tom Selleck, I was interested but only from his vantage.

I just have to change the channel whenever they start with this nonsense.  Pretty much the same for all the celeb news.  How did they go from Entertainment Tonight to the Mainstream News?  If I want celebrity news and coverage of pop culture, I know where to find it.  It should not dominate the regular news coverage the way it now does.

Students are being shot in Colombia with rubber bullets and we have to hear about all this nonsense!

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O/T
nonesuche

You may want to check this site out
"The Music of Summer"
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2321/summer2003/summusic.html

Red, a very articulate and heart-felt call from you!  Thank you for calling in.  I thought about it as I felt no one was calling as Dana kept talking but I was afraid I would be tounge tied and look like a fool!  haha

Justins - Page 3 of this current thread

Yes it was - wonderful job!

Oh Klassend..............calling Klassend



I found Renfro

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Tim said that they got real nervous whenever they were searching in the water

Thank you Oldfart, I'll have to make you a CD of my beach music to send to you  :wink:

Thank you Dana !!!!!!!!

:lol:  :lol:

OMG Kermit that is the sickest!!!!!!!!

OMG, so that's what they mean when they say it's a mangy beast!  Ick.

kermit  :lol:  :lol:

you found her on a good hair day  :lol:

Thanx, Tib! Going there now...

That thing probably won a contest for the ugliest dog in the world.

Is that the animal that won the world's ugliest dog contest a while back? No, seriously.

Terrific show Dana.
I heard Red for the first time - yahoo!

Don't insult this ugly dog by calling it Renfro!   :shock:  :lol:  :lol:

LOL AZlady. I think maybe it really did.

Yep, a well deserved award too  :lol:

Yes, I surely have to agree with you on that one.  :lol:

I have XM radio in my truck and I estimate that I can go no longer than 5-10 minutes before I have to change the channel because the "news shows" turn into "tabloid shows"

Even the local radio stations have become so pathetic, its hard to find a station that doesnt do "tabloid news"

I did recently find a talk radio channel on the XM radio I have been trying for a few days now, doesnt seem as bad as the other stations.

Tibro~ Got it! It was Law and Order: Special Victims Unit that had that episode. Thankee!

Of course, it could only be Renfro if it was a girl dog, which would make it be a bitch.

........didn't they (ALE) get real nervous when they were searching in the dump also? It was talk of  the deep water search that made them nervous.....
the last water search by Tim and Dave was done in a particular area pointed out to them by Dompig, so maybe that time they were less nervous.

Anyone hear about Lindsay Lohan today?  Oh, nevermind......   :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

well I actually listen to NPR myself at times, me and my mother  :lol: she's an addict to NPR I just surf it occasionally.

Blah I don't have ESP I just know that song from the first bar it truly is one of my old time faves.

Oldfart we need Blah to engineer some refrigerated packaging and shipping for those ganache cupcakes so I can send you some  :D

SUE:

You were here a minute ago so I made this for you! Hope you find it!  :wink:

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Renfro is so F'ed up that is she was a male dog they would still call he a bitch.

Easy I made some deviled eggs to go with my chicken salad for dinner tonight and I thought of you, good southern soul  :lol:

Yea, I posted her theme song earlir, maybe you missed it Easy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U&mode=related&search=

I heard about her car crash and that she was high on cocaine..anything else?

sorry earlier  I did it again....maybe I need rehab NO  NO NO

That was a great show by Dana.  Helps to restore the positive vibes and gets us all in the right frame of mind for the Prayer Vigil.

Morning Monkeys.

I got quite a start when I commenced catch-up reading and saw Angie had completed her prayer time.  Thought my time calculations were out of sync!

On the discussion of the mobile phone by Joran, he did say in one chapter of his Book of Filth that most of the pimps have multiple phones to keep girls from finding out about other girls. Then he said something like "but I do not do that", which means you can be sure that he does indeed have multiple phones for this purpose.

Also back to Anita and the younger boys whereabouts:

Anita Van Der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I CAME BACK FROM HOLLAND WEDNESDAY, and I WAS SO SURPRISED at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

Surely if the younger boys were with her in Holland, she would have said something like "the boys and I" or "We"

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

if the DUTCH do not get them they will forever be LINKED to ALE

no reputable organizaion in the world would want that LINKAGE



they will get them


BET IT ALL  8)

did you know Rosie has a video of herself singing that very song on her blog?  :shock: I sent the link to San, for real  :lol:

Kermit
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Now I'm going to need a lot of
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BT  Do you have this little guy  :?:

If I remember correctly, they wouldnt even get the permits signed for Tim Miller to do the deep water search last time he was there.  Tim and crew had to sit on the sidelines waiting for permission and I dont think it ever came.

Also, they needed the ALE to make a phone call and request someones deep water equipment but they refused to ask.

ALE did alot to keep them from the deep water search.  They also did alot to prevent the landfill searches.

Yes I do, OF, but thanks for checking. I think I have them all except the shrugging one now.

What did Anita do to her?

Great show Red.I find it a sad day.The more I read about aruba,the sicker I get.Joran's girl and a dog,that is even sicker.After this resolved,Boycot the island forever,as I now know where Hell is,and it ain't chu chi

You could prolly go over there and cook them in his kitchen alot cheaper  :lol:  :lol: