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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 12:08:15 AM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 17, 2007, 12:19:54 AM
8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 12:21:02 AM
Did I beat Robots?? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 12:21:05 AM
:lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 17, 2007, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Did I beat Robots?? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


YEP, he isn't here yet.  :smt036  :smt036


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 12:27:00 AM
Aww


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 12:28:06 AM
Goodnight Everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:29:36 AM
Nite San... I hate that I always miss you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 12:29:50 AM
Bath time for me, brb


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:30:03 AM
Goodnight San (Again)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 17, 2007, 12:30:26 AM
Nite San .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 17, 2007, 12:33:10 AM
Nite Monkeys. Happy Fathers Day to all Those Fathers out there. Have a great day !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:34:54 AM
Nite bb.
And a Happy Fathers Day to all the boy Monkeys.

We have Fathers Day in September.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:35:20 AM
Nite BB....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 12:37:13 AM
Yes goodnight and a Happy Fathers Day to the guys.
September, eh ? Interesting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:39:14 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Yes goodnight and a Happy Fathers Day to the guys.
September, eh ? Interesting.


Goodnight Kit Kat.
I do not know why they chose September.  Might see if I can find out.
Watch out for Polar Bears  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:39:22 AM
DId anyone see the AMW regarding Tim Miller?  It was a very good segment....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 12:42:08 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
DId anyone see the AMW regarding Tim Miller?  It was a very good segment....


Hi Mrs.  No I didn't see it, but a couple posters mentioned it.  Sorry I missed it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
DId anyone see the AMW regarding Tim Miller?  It was a very good segment....


Hi Mrs.  No I didn't see it, but a couple posters mentioned it.  Sorry I missed it!

it was probably one of the best segments I have seen on Tim Miller... it was a little dated... but they did a nice job of talking about TIm and his loss.... I had forgotten that he receieved that nasty letter early in this case talking about his daughter's murder.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 12:45:14 AM
Lordy, how could anybody send HIM a nasty letter!  People are just so sick and nasty anymore.  It's disheartening....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 12:46:33 AM
BTW, since it seems everybody disappeard suddenly.  Just wanted to say I appreciate your post in the Political thread.  You are so right and I am afraid we as a country are losing that faith.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: casa on June 17, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
Night Angie and Tibro and thanks for the good wishes for next week!  It's good to know that I have some friends here.  Same ole same ole. Posters who respond to only a few.  If you have some wild, crazy explanation of what might have happened to Natalee then you are going to definitely get noticed.  Maybe it is time for some of the old timers like me to disappear cause it seems to be the new people who suddenly have an understanding of what absolutely happened who KNOW what happened.  I surely hope some of those who know it all can find her!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 12:47:23 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
BTW, since it seems everybody disappeard suddenly.  Just wanted to say I appreciate your post in the Political thread.  You are so right and I am afraid we as a country are losing that faith.


Sorry, meant to address to Mrs. Red  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 12:48:27 AM
Night monkeys going to bed.  Not far behind you! Sweet dreams!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:50:03 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
BTW, since it seems everybody disappeard suddenly.  Just wanted to say I appreciate your post in the Political thread.  You are so right and I am afraid we as a country are losing that faith.


Sorry, meant to address to Mrs. Red  :oops:



Yes it does seem like if I enter then everyone leaves... :?  but I think with no news it's hard .... thanks for the compliment about the P/Thread.

Good Nite...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:51:32 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Night Angie and Tibro and thanks for the good wishes for next week!  It's good to know that I have some friends here.  Same ole same ole. Posters who respond to only a few.  If you have some wild, crazy explanation of what might have happened to Natalee then you are going to definitely get noticed.  Maybe it is time for some of the old timers like me to disappear cause it seems to be the new people who suddenly have an understanding of what absolutely happened who KNOW what happened.  I surely hope some of those who know it all can find her!


Don't you even think of disappearing.  I enjoy your posts and I know others do also.  We all get lost behind the curtain at times.   Hang in there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 12:52:26 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Night Angie and Tibro and thanks for the good wishes for next week!  It's good to know that I have some friends here.  Same ole same ole. Posters who respond to only a few.  If you have some wild, crazy explanation of what might have happened to Natalee then you are going to definitely get noticed.  Maybe it is time for some of the old timers like me to disappear cause it seems to be the new people who suddenly have an understanding of what absolutely happened who KNOW what happened.  I surely hope some of those who know it all can find her!

Hey, casa!  I always enjoy your postings ~ I'm catching up and read about your little trip...I was glad to see you can use one of those days as inservice.  They never have *any* workshops for art teachers, so I take the same ones every year.  Computer workshops, and I don't think I've learned anything new.  :roll:  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Night monkeys going to bed.  Not far behind you! Sweet dreams!


I have been waiting to find out what you named your new little cockatiel.

They do fly long distances as a flock here in the wild to find food but do not know if they would fly that far as Elaine said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Night Angie and Tibro and thanks for the good wishes for next week!  It's good to know that I have some friends here.  Same ole same ole. Posters who respond to only a few.  If you have some wild, crazy explanation of what might have happened to Natalee then you are going to definitely get noticed.  Maybe it is time for some of the old timers like me to disappear cause it seems to be the new people who suddenly have an understanding of what absolutely happened who KNOW what happened.  I surely hope some of those who know it all can find her!
\\


CASA... don't leave... the people with the theories aren't new, they have just returned... and they don't KNOW what happened, if they did then Natalee would be home and buried in Alabama where she belongs... and I have to agree that it feels like a few are the only ones talking because they refuse to speak to some of us...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 12:55:53 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
BTW, since it seems everybody disappeard suddenly.  Just wanted to say I appreciate your post in the Political thread.  You are so right and I am afraid we as a country are losing that faith.


Sorry, meant to address to Mrs. Red  :oops:



Yes it does seem like if I enter then everyone leaves... :?  but I think with no news it's hard .... thanks for the compliment about the P/Thread.

Good Nite...


I thought that only happened to me Mrs Red  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Night Angie and Tibro and thanks for the good wishes for next week!  It's good to know that I have some friends here.  Same ole same ole. Posters who respond to only a few.  If you have some wild, crazy explanation of what might have happened to Natalee then you are going to definitely get noticed.  Maybe it is time for some of the old timers like me to disappear cause it seems to be the new people who suddenly have an understanding of what absolutely happened who KNOW what happened.  I surely hope some of those who know it all can find her!


Casa - I just finished my bath.  Please don't leave.  There is NO news, that's the problem!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:57:48 AM
TIBRO>>> honey hush!!  But i am glad to know it's not my new perfume...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:59:22 AM
did anyone see the show about Tim??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
did anyone see the show about Tim??


I didn't but some people did, they said it was really good.  I posted some info about the show and Tim from the AMW website.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:00:25 AM
I think a lot of posters when they submit a post and it leap frogs them a few posts or even a page ahead they then continue on from there and so they miss the posts in between.  Do I make sense with that explanation?
I try to read all the posts and catch up when I can, then if I am too far behind it is pointless answering as someone will have beaten me to it.
The time difference does not help me sometimes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:02:02 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I think a lot of posters when they submit a post and it leap frogs them a few posts or even a page ahead they then continue on from there and so they miss the posts in between.  Do I make sense with that explanation?
I try to read all the posts and catch up when I can, then if I am too far behind it is pointless answering as someone will have beaten me to it.
The time difference does not help me sometimes.


true and we probably get onto news from the States, which probably doesn't even interest you such as the Nifong trial...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
did anyone see the show about Tim??


Hummingbird made a good post about it last thread.  Will go look for it and bring it over (if Klaas does not beat me to it)  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:02:58 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
did anyone see the show about Tim??


I didn't but some people did, they said it was really good.  I posted some info about the show and Tim from the AMW website.

we had friends over and interrupted our game of dominos to watch it.... I lost as usual... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
did anyone see the show about Tim??


Hummingbird made a good post about it last thread.  Will go look for it and bring it over (if Klaas does not beat me to it)  :wink:  :wink:


COOL.. I would love to see it...and I am not always good and read back. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: casa on June 17, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
Thanks, Mrs. Red, Tibro and tcmom.  I don't mean to gripe but I read some of these wild ideas and they are from people who have I am assuming  been gone for a while or are new.  But they are experts and have no time for those who have been here from the beginning!  I don't claim to know it all because even though I have been here from the beginning I have not had the time as others have to study and document all the details of this case.  There are many who are very well versed here who are not appreciated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:05:00 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I think a lot of posters when they submit a post and it leap frogs them a few posts or even a page ahead they then continue on from there and so they miss the posts in between.  Do I make sense with that explanation?

I understand exactly what you're saying, and I just tell myself that's why there's usually not a reply to what I post.  :?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:06:16 AM
hummingbird7525



Joined: 01 May 2006
Location: colorado springs co
   
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Good Evening My Monkeys,
I just watched Tim on AMW, what a sweet man he is. He really did deserve to have his story told. What I also noticed about the show is when they were talking about the aruba search, they said the search was stopped by the aruban government....Yeah, All the people who don't read here on SM or just don't do the internet thing heard THAT, I don't think a lot of people know that fact, but now they do. Plus the end of the program Natalee's sweet picture was the last missing persons face you saw. I then I cryed my head off. But I am better now. Just wanted to say that and back to lurking. Love ya guys!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Thanks, Mrs. Red, Tibro and tcmom.  I don't mean to gripe but I read some of these wild ideas and they are from people who have I am assuming  been gone for a while or are new.  But they are experts and have no time for those who have been here from the beginning!  I don't claim to know it all because even though I have been here from the beginning I have not had the time as others have to study and document all the details of this case.  There are many who are very well versed here who are not appreciated.


I think people are just trying to see if anything has been overlooked.  Since there's no real news they are digging up the old stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:08:37 AM
casa ~ you're not griping; I understand what you're saying.  During the school year, it's hard to keep up with the monkeys.  Can't even read during my 30 minute lunch, as the topdogs in my district have blocked almost everything on our computers. :evil:   I've been on more since school's out . . .a treat for me.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:09:27 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Thanks, Mrs. Red, Tibro and tcmom.  I don't mean to gripe but I read some of these wild ideas and they are from people who have I am assuming  been gone for a while or are new.  But they are experts and have no time for those who have been here from the beginning!  I don't claim to know it all because even though I have been here from the beginning I have not had the time as others have to study and document all the details of this case.  There are many who are very well versed here who are not appreciated.



I understand what you are saying.... I agree.  I also don't mind to be honest wild ideas, but everyone needs to be allowed to discuss what they believe without feeling put out .... or sqlueched if their theory doesn't match the films, videos, or any other ideas that may be floating out there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:10:16 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I think a lot of posters when they submit a post and it leap frogs them a few posts or even a page ahead they then continue on from there and so they miss the posts in between.  Do I make sense with that explanation?
I try to read all the posts and catch up when I can, then if I am too far behind it is pointless answering as someone will have beaten me to it.
The time difference does not help me sometimes.


true and we probably get onto news from the States, which probably doesn't even interest you such as the Nifong trial...


I see some of that on our news and it is interesting to know what is behind a lot of it and others views.
Then I get my turn in the Aussie thread and put some newsy bits in there I think the monkeys may be interested in.  8)

BTW I do enjoy reading the Political Thread too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
hummingbird7525



Joined: 01 May 2006
Location: colorado springs co
   
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
Good Evening My Monkeys,
I just watched Tim on AMW, what a sweet man he is. He really did deserve to have his story told. What I also noticed about the show is when they were talking about the aruba search, they said the search was stopped by the aruban government....Yeah, All the people who don't read here on SM or just don't do the internet thing heard THAT, I don't think a lot of people know that fact, but now they do. Plus the end of the program Natalee's sweet picture was the last missing persons face you saw. I then I cryed my head off. But I am better now. Just wanted to say that and back to lurking. Love ya guys!!


Thanks TIB... I had forgotten the pasted letter thing that Tim received about his daughter... and I am all intrigued about that... and who is depraved enough to pull some garbage like that! :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: casa on June 17, 2007, 01:12:01 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
casa ~ you're not griping; I understand what you're saying.  During the school year, it's hard to keep up with the monkeys.  Can't even read during my 30 minute lunch, as the topdogs in my district have blocked almost everything on our computers. :evil:   I've been on more since school's out . . .a treat for me.  :)


I know what you mean. It is  hard to keep up when so much is blocked and there is no time to breathe much less get on the computer!  Part of being a teacher!  You have no life beyond school.  No time for lunch, break and very little free time cause have to grade papers or write lesson plans!  And they wonder why they can't hire teachers!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:13:07 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I think a lot of posters when they submit a post and it leap frogs them a few posts or even a page ahead they then continue on from there and so they miss the posts in between.  Do I make sense with that explanation?
I try to read all the posts and catch up when I can, then if I am too far behind it is pointless answering as someone will have beaten me to it.
The time difference does not help me sometimes.


true and we probably get onto news from the States, which probably doesn't even interest you such as the Nifong trial...


I see some of that on our news and it is interesting to know what is behind a lot of it and others views.
Then I get my turn in the Aussie thread and put some newsy bits in there I think the monkeys may be interested in.  8)

BTW I do enjoy reading the Political Thread too.


I love your thread in the Monkey Lounge... my neighbors and I discuss going to visit your home someday.... and I like hearing your thoughts on things.. feel free to join us in the P/Thread... if you don't mind how it can be sometimes... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "tcumom"
casa ~ you're not griping; I understand what you're saying.  During the school year, it's hard to keep up with the monkeys.  Can't even read during my 30 minute lunch, as the topdogs in my district have blocked almost everything on our computers. :evil:   I've been on more since school's out . . .a treat for me.  :)


I know what you mean. It is  hard to keep up when so much is blocked and there is no time to breathe much less get on the computer!  Part of being a teacher!  You have no life beyond school.  No time for lunch, break and very little free time cause have to grade papers or write lesson plans!  And they wonder why they can't hire teachers!


AND, teachers often don't get paid enough, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "tcumom"
casa ~ you're not griping; I understand what you're saying.  During the school year, it's hard to keep up with the monkeys.  Can't even read during my 30 minute lunch, as the topdogs in my district have blocked almost everything on our computers. :evil:   I've been on more since school's out . . .a treat for me.  :)


I know what you mean. It is  hard to keep up when so much is blocked and there is no time to breathe much less get on the computer!  Part of being a teacher!  You have no life beyond school.  No time for lunch, break and very little free time cause have to grade papers or write lesson plans!  And they wonder why they can't hire teachers!


not to mention lousy pay!  My hat's off to teachers.... I know several very wonderful teachers on a personal friendship basis... I couldn't do it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:17:42 AM
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:19:49 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

RED - do we know the names of the ships?  Does this group do ocean searches regularly?  Are they someone we may have heard of?

Edited to add:  At Refugees someone is saying that it's impossible someone would donate such equiptment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:22:01 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

RED - do we know the names of the ships?  Does this group do ocean searches regularly?  Are they someone we may have heard of?

Edited to add:  At Refugees someone is saying that it's impossible someone would donate such equiptment.


and what exactly have they been right about so far??? :lol:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

Reading this gives me some real hope.  

Red ~ what do you think about Dana having Robert Cooke on his show?  I've never understood why Rachel's disappearance has not been in the media.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:23:46 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


That is going to be so interesting, Red.
I saw a lot of the search and investigation of the Titanic on TV.  Some of the equipment they used was right out of the space programme technology.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:23:57 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

RED - do we know the names of the ships?  Does this group do ocean searches regularly?  Are they someone we may have heard of?

Edited to add:  At Refugees someone is saying that it's impossible someone would donate such equiptment.


and what exactly have they been right about so far??? :lol:  :roll:


Good point!  :lol:  Guess I'm just trying to trick Red into giving us some info, LOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Night monkeys going to bed.  Not far behind you! Sweet dreams!


I have been waiting to find out what you named your new little cockatiel.

They do fly long distances as a flock here in the wild to find food but do not know if they would fly that far as Elaine said.


Well, I took everybodies suggestions and named her Tinkerbell.  Then the whole Paris Hilton thing broke and somebody mentioned her dog's name. I then had to reconsider  :lol:   She's still unnamed right now!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:26:51 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

RED - do we know the names of the ships?  Does this group do ocean searches regularly?  Are they someone we may have heard of?

Edited to add:  At Refugees someone is saying that it's impossible someone would donate such equipment.


Yes, this company does regular deep water searches ... that is their job. However, everyone must remember that deep water searches are not usually for people.

As for the Refugees, consider the source ... I guess it tells you a lot about someone who would say others would not donate such equip. Guess they are referring to themselves as they would not help others.

These people know less than nothing and have "ZERO" inside information. Why is it a stretch that this company would donate their time? Who's to say that Aruba is not on their way to another destination that they may have another job? Who's to say that someone isn't being benevolent?

Just because some would never do anything to help another, certainly does not mean everyone is that way.

That's why water seeks its own level on a certain site that makes no sense to even reference.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:27:08 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "tcumom"
casa ~ you're not griping; I understand what you're saying.  During the school year, it's hard to keep up with the monkeys.  Can't even read during my 30 minute lunch, as the topdogs in my district have blocked almost everything on our computers. :evil:   I've been on more since school's out . . .a treat for me.  :)


I know what you mean. It is  hard to keep up when so much is blocked and there is no time to breathe much less get on the computer!  Part of being a teacher!  You have no life beyond school.  No time for lunch, break and very little free time cause have to grade papers or write lesson plans!  And they wonder why they can't hire teachers!


Teachers are so under rated - they influence the next generation more than parents seem to do these days.
Do they pay according to results or length of service there?  They are discussing possibly paying according to results here at present.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:27:34 AM
he is in his "office" typing like a madman...

TCU, I can't imagine that Dana wouldn't welcome Rachel's dad on his program... if Red doesn't see this, I will make sure to mention it to him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:29:04 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

RED - do we know the names of the ships?  Does this group do ocean searches regularly?  Are they someone we may have heard of?

Edited to add:  At Refugees someone is saying that it's impossible someone would donate such equipment.


Yes, this company does regular deep water searches ... that is their job. However, everyone must remember that deep water searches are not usually for people.

As for the Refugees, consider the source ... I guess it tells you a lot about someone who would say others would not donate such equip. Guess they are referring to themselves as they would not help others.

These people know less than nothing and have "ZERO" inside information. Why is it a stretch that this company would donate their time? Who's to say that Aruba is not on their way to another destination that they may have another job? Who's to say that someone isn't being benevolent?

Just because some would never do anything to help another, certainly does not mean everyone is that way.

That's why water seeks its own level on a certain site that makes no sense to even reference.


So true Red


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 01:29:18 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


Wow, how fascinating!  Compared to Titanic searches?  I hope somebody gets some video, I would love to see them in action!   GO TES!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:29:21 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Red"
Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.

Reading this gives me some real hope.  

Red ~ what do you think about Dana having Robert Cooke on his show?  I've never understood why Rachel's disappearance has not been in the media.  :cry:


Its been a while since I emailed Robert Cook. He is certainly always welcome on SM. Robert and I had some great conversations when we were in Aruba as we roomed together.

Its a good idea, I will chat with Tim and see if we can't make it happen. Robert is a good man.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:30:06 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
he is in his "office" typing like a madman...

TCU, I can't imagine that Dana wouldn't welcome Rachel's dad on his program... if Red doesn't see this, I will make sure to mention it to him...

Thank you thank you so much ~ it would give Robert an opportunity to get Rachel's story out there again ... so much time gone, but yet someone must know something.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:30:12 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


Wow, how fascinating!  Compared to Titanic searches?  I hope somebody gets some video, I would love to see them in action!   GO TES!


I hope we get video too... that is going to be AMAZING!!! I also really hope that they are able to find her....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:31:05 AM
I wonder if it is the group that just found that 500 million dollar ship wreck that is going to help TES?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:31:32 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


Wow, how fascinating!  Compared to Titanic searches?  I hope somebody gets some video, I would love to see them in action!   GO TES!


We are in the works of doing that very thing. ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:31:46 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
he is in his "office" typing like a madman...

TCU, I can't imagine that Dana wouldn't welcome Rachel's dad on his program... if Red doesn't see this, I will make sure to mention it to him...

Thank you thank you so much ~ it would give Robert an opportunity to get Rachel's story out there again ... so much time gone, but yet someone must know something.  :(


look above your post... LOL!  Also we are hoping to get Jaycee Hardin's grandmother on Dana.... there are far too many stories that should be kept going out there.... it's overwhelming


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:32:14 AM
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder if it is the group that just found that 500 million dollar ship wreck that is going to help TES?


Good guess, but that is not the same people


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:33:01 AM
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder if it is the group that just found that 500 million dollar ship wreck that is going to help TES?


no those guys are treasure hunters, these guys do something a little different...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:33:33 AM
We need some HINTS Red  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 01:34:34 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "Red"
Well, what was interesting about the AMW, Tim Miller segment, was when they were showing the water search from the last time in Aruba. Discussing the sophisticated side scanner sonar.

That is nothing compared to what they will be bringing this time to Aruba, thanks to a group of people helping out with the search who we will be discussing in more detail in the future.

Their equipment is really something to marvel at. The deep water searching is really quite fascinating. The best comparison I can make is some of the video when groups searched for Titanic.


Wow, how fascinating!  Compared to Titanic searches?  I hope somebody gets some video, I would love to see them in action!   GO TES!


I hope we get video too... that is going to be AMAZING!!! I also really hope that they are able to find her....


Oh me too!  They have put so much hard work and there hearts into this.  They deserve something positive from this!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:35:25 AM
Red and Mrs. Red ~ thanks for the thoughts on Robert, and Rachel.  Yes, Robert is a very good man...a heart of gold, which I guess will never stop aching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder if it is the group that just found that 500 million dollar ship wreck that is going to help TES?


no those guys are treasure hunters, these guys do something a little different...


Ahh ok..thx..I think the treasure hunting group was a public owned company. Up to 10 days searching those waters sounds mighty expensive :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
We need some HINTS Red  :lol:


I can pretty much guarantee that this week we will be able to name the company who is doing the search. I am in the process of putting together a post already. Also trying to set up an interview with the owner of the company for Dana.

The man is real busy. Holding back the name for a specific reason, but as I said ... most likely this week we will be posting it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 01:37:00 AM
Well Monkey friends, I need to get to bed.   Thanks Red for the updates on the coming events.  I look forward to video and some positive outcome!

Sweet dreams to you all!  G'night!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:37:59 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
I wonder if it is the group that just found that 500 million dollar ship wreck that is going to help TES?


no those guys are treasure hunters, these guys do something a little different...


Ahh ok..thx..I think the treasure hunting group was a public owned company. Up to 10 days searching those waters sounds mighty expensive :wink:


Its extremely expensive.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:38:10 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
We need some HINTS Red  :lol:


I can pretty much guarantee that this week we will be able to name the company who is doing the search. I am in the process of putting together a post already. Also trying to set up an interview with the owner of the company for Dana.

The man is real busy. Holding back the name for a specific reason, but as I said ... most likely this week we will be posting it.


Ok, I'll try to be patient  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:38:38 AM
Nite DiHannah....

*******, yes it's expensive but there are ppl out there that want to help others regardless of the cost...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:39:12 AM
Nite Dihannah


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:39:38 AM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Well Monkey friends, I need to get to bed.   Thanks Red for the updates on the coming events.  I look forward to video and some positive outcome!

Sweet dreams to you all!  G'night!


Goodnight Dihannah.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:43:07 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Nite DiHannah....

*******, yes it's expensive but there are ppl out there that want to help others regardless of the cost...


Thats wonderfull!!..It is great to see a monster effort from some great people. I hope all the efforts pay off.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:44:34 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Nite DiHannah....

*******, yes it's expensive but there are ppl out there that want to help others regardless of the cost...


Thats wonderfull!!..It is great to see a monster effort from some great people. I hope all the efforts pay off.. :D



me too... me too... I would love nothing more than justice and closure for this family...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 01:47:21 AM
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:48:03 AM
Would be great if they have ALVIN - or something like it:
 :wink:

(http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/ocean/images/vessels/alvinunder.jpg)

Current Research: Submersibles - ALVIN  
Submersibles are a great scientific tool to help researchers explore the ocean depths. They are small submarines that can maneuver underwater easier than larger submarines. Submersibles are equiped with viewports (windows), searchlights, mechanical arms, cameras and scientific instruments that enable seeing and recording data from underwater vehicles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:48:23 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Nite DiHannah....

*******, yes it's expensive but there are ppl out there that want to help others regardless of the cost...


Thats wonderfull!!..It is great to see a monster effort from some great people. I hope all the efforts pay off.. :D


There are some very good people in the world.
It is just when you concentrate on a perverted and degraded place like Aruba you tend to forget that not all  people are low lifes like there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


Very cool!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:49:20 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Nite DiHannah....

*******, yes it's expensive but there are ppl out there that want to help others regardless of the cost...


Thats wonderfull!!..It is great to see a monster effort from some great people. I hope all the efforts pay off.. :D



me too... me too... I would love nothing more than justice and closure for this family...


It's about time something goes there way. Bringing there daughter home is good for starters. The Idiots that are involved I think they already sealed there fate. Apparently just going to take some time :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: casa on June 17, 2007, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:52:22 AM
Klaas that looks like something out of the movie "The Abyss"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:52:51 AM
I am hoping and praying for the best ... for not only Natalee's family but all of the families with missing members...

and on that note, I have to call it a night!  Red and I were sooooooo late for Church last weekend... hate to do that again! :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:52:58 AM
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


That will be way cool!! Should be interesting to see what areas he has targeted. I missed when they are going??I n like a week?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:53:36 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Klaas that looks like something out of the movie "The Abyss"


It may be what they used in The Abyss


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


That will be way cool!! Should be interesting to see what areas he has targeted. I missed when they are going??I n like a week?

Closer to the end of the month was what I thought Tim said.  But that would be within a couple weeks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:55:35 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am hoping and praying for the best ... for not only Natalee's family but all of the families with missing members...

and on that note, I have to call it a night!  Red and I were sooooooo late for Church last weekend... hate to do that again! :oops:


Nite Mrs Red


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:56:53 AM
Nite Mrs. Red


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 01:56:59 AM
Anyone still up? Did anything happen today? Any good discussion I should go back and read? I just didn't feel like reading back tonight. My ex boyfriends father died and the funeral is tomorrow so it's been a rough couple of days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:58:27 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Anyone still up? Did anything happen today? Any good discussion I should go back and read? I just didn't feel like reading back tonight. My ex boyfriends father died and the funeral is tomorrow so it's been a rough couple of days.

Nope, no news today.  

Red was just talking about the ocean search.  You might want to read back the last couple pages.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 01:58:29 AM
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 01:59:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


That will be way cool!! Should be interesting to see what areas he has targeted. I missed when they are going??I n like a week?

Closer to the end of the month was what I thought Tim said.  But that would be within a couple weeks.


K thanks..Thought I may have missed it somewhere.. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 01:59:48 AM
I'm going to call it a night too.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 02:00:09 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


The logistics of doing this is tremendous. There are many involved who are going. They are not renting a 30 ft boat. This is a tremendous undertaking.

And Red did not have any vacation days available, ;). kidding.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:02:23 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Thank you very much. He had cancer and my ex has been with him almost 24/7 and he's only 23 years old, trying to do school and all too. with no help. It's been very rough for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:03:09 AM
thanks Klaas. I'll just read back this thread then.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 02:03:13 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


I haven't heard why he is not going until late this month.  First I thought it was going to be early or mid June.
But with the two big ships going I guess there was a lot to organise and tie it all together.
I  feel so sorry for Natalee's family having to wait over two years to maybe get answers.  I hope they do get answers and their loved daughter is able to come home, at least in this way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:05:09 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


The logistics of doing this is tremendous. There are many involved who are going. They are not renting a 30 ft boat. This is a tremendous undertaking.

And Red did not have any vacation days available, ;). kidding.


I can imagine!! Let's hope she isnt too far out so they dont have to spend days searching. I saw the depth drop offs and the area on the map. Its a enormous area and they are looking for something small..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


The logistics of doing this is tremendous. There are many involved who are going. They are not renting a 30 ft boat. This is a tremendous undertaking.

And Red did not have any vacation days available, ;). kidding.


Hey Red. Can you tell us who is suppling these boats? I may have missed it posted already.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 02:06:48 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Thank you very much. He had cancer and my ex has been with him almost 24/7 and he's only 23 years old, trying to do school and all too. with no help. It's been very rough for him.


He is going to need a lot of support now too.  It leaves a dreadful loss in your life when you have been a full time carer and suddenly not needed that way any longer, added to the grieving that we all go through.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:07:43 AM
TES I bet probably has some pretty good tips after all this time. Hopefully the story about koen's boat is true and she is just a few miles out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Thank you very much. He had cancer and my ex has been with him almost 24/7 and he's only 23 years old, trying to do school and all too. with no help. It's been very rough for him.


He is going to need a lot of support now too.  It leaves a dreadful loss in your life when you have been a full time carer and suddenly not needed that way any longer, added to the grieving that we all go through.


I'm going to do my best to be there for him as much as possible. I can't imagine loosing my father. I just don't know what to say to him, you know? I guess there is nothing to say and I just hold his hand when he needs me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 02:14:01 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Thank you very much. He had cancer and my ex has been with him almost 24/7 and he's only 23 years old, trying to do school and all too. with no help. It's been very rough for him.


He is going to need a lot of support now too.  It leaves a dreadful loss in your life when you have been a full time carer and suddenly not needed that way any longer, added to the grieving that we all go through.


I'm going to do my best to be there for him as much as possible. I can't imagine loosing my father. I just don't know what to say to him, you know? I guess there is nothing to say and I just hold his hand when he needs me.


Yes that is all you can do, and it will be enough just for him to know you are there.  He will not understand what he feels himself for a long while.
When my dear Mum died the one thing that stayed in my mind were the people who did NOT offer any moral support even though they had been what we felt were good friends.  The ones that just visited and sat quietly with us were the ones that helped the most.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:14:27 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


The logistics of doing this is tremendous. There are many involved who are going. They are not renting a 30 ft boat. This is a tremendous undertaking.

And Red did not have any vacation days available, ;). kidding.


Hey Red. Can you tell us who is suppling these boats? I may have missed it posted already.


I jumpped in late as well.. 8) Look back a few pages..Red said he will most likely release the company this week that is helping TES and should have a date soon when they are leaving.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:17:49 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi spooky - that is so sad.  My sympathy to you and his family.


Thank you very much. He had cancer and my ex has been with him almost 24/7 and he's only 23 years old, trying to do school and all too. with no help. It's been very rough for him.


He is going to need a lot of support now too.  It leaves a dreadful loss in your life when you have been a full time carer and suddenly not needed that way any longer, added to the grieving that we all go through.


I'm going to do my best to be there for him as much as possible. I can't imagine loosing my father. I just don't know what to say to him, you know? I guess there is nothing to say and I just hold his hand when he needs me.


Yes that is all you can do, and it will be enough just for him to know you are there.  He will not understand what he feels himself for a long while.
When my dear Mum died the one thing that stayed in my mind were the people who did NOT offer any moral support even though they had been what we felt were good friends.  The ones that just visited and sat quietly with us were the ones that helped the most.


Thanks for telling me that. That makes me feel better about tomorrow.
Goodnight Dear. I'm gonna lurk a bit and then off to bed. Thanks again for your kind words. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 17, 2007, 02:19:45 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Red"
I will be saying this again in the future and when I have a date more secured ...

Tim Miller has promised that he will come on Sm and do a LIVE blog interview with us like he did in 2005 prior to going to Aruba.

People will be able to ask all kinds of questions. We are still going to control the questioning so that Tim does not get overwhelmed; however, all will be able to ask anything they wish.


What is the hold up with him going to Aruba?  Why is he not going now?!


The logistics of doing this is tremendous. There are many involved who are going. They are not renting a 30 ft boat. This is a tremendous undertaking.

And Red did not have any vacation days available, ;). kidding.


Hey Red. Can you tell us who is suppling these boats? I may have missed it posted already.


I jumpped in late as well.. 8) Look back a few pages..Red said he will most likely release the company this week that is helping TES and should have a date soon when they are leaving.


Thanks so much. Klaas told me to read back I just jumped the gun with my question.  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:22:37 AM
Thanks so much. Klaas told me to read back I just jumped the gun with my question.
_________________

LOL I did the same spooky..Damn poker window kept poppin up so I had to get the questions off before Mr and Mrs Red went to bed.. 8)

Night!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 02:29:04 AM

My fear is Aruba will stand in there way again for the search  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 02:32:25 AM
Goodnight spooky dear.  Will be thinking of you and your friends.  Hugs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 02:33:06 AM

I also wonder if Carla Baron provided Tim with any information
for there show of where they think Natalee is


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 02:35:36 AM
*******,

Doing a fly by on my way to bed but the reporter and cameraman had been covering some sort of car racing in Curacao.  Now the odd thing is around this same time of their suicides we read in the papers about a fight in a bar involving racer people from Curacao.

Don't remember if it was C&C or Bahia but think it was one of those two bars where there was a bad fight and I think the race people beat up a couple of tourists badly.  The tourist thought ALE had to know who this crew would be as they identified them very well but don't think much was done to the attacking pit crew or whatever they were.

Klaas or Janet probably have the articles from the newspapers.

At least the car races is what they were "officially" working on from my memory only.  I, too, think something not right with these suicides by hanging.


SPOOKY,

Am so sorry to hear about your young friend.  Sometimes the best thing to say is not to say anything at all, just accept the person with all their grief.  Let him talk if he needs to or not talk about it if that's what he wants as well.  You will just know what to do when the time comes.

Goodnight any still here reading!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 02:43:19 AM
Quote from: "Sue"

I also wonder if Carla Baron provided Tim with any information
for there show of where they think Natalee is


I wonder that also, Sue.  It would be very interesting to know the details.
Also I do not think they would be going to such great lengths with the two ships and all the organisation it would entail without being very sure they would be able to search.  Or maybe the search is going to be out of Aruba's jurisdiction?  We really have not had all those details yet and I am sure that is also for a very good reason.  No need to forewarn the culprits of their intentions or search area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 17, 2007, 07:19:02 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Sue"

I also wonder if Carla Baron provided Tim with any information
for there show of where they think Natalee is


I wonder that also, Sue.  It would be very interesting to know the details.
Also I do not think they would be going to such great lengths with the two ships and all the organisation it would entail without being very sure they would be able to search.  Or maybe the search is going to be out of Aruba's jurisdiction?  We really have not had all those details yet and I am sure that is also for a very good reason.  No need to forewarn the culprits of their intentions or search area.



Great post Tib! I am thinking they will be in 'international waters' and that Aruba (nor any one else) will be able stop water searches. I agree that details should be kept hush-hush!! Tim is a smart man....he knows what to do and what not to do.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 07:45:42 AM
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: blah on June 17, 2007, 09:07:33 AM
Alec Devon Kreider, 16, of Lancaster, was arrested after his father told police that he had confessed to the killings, Manheim Township Police Chief Neil J. Harkins said at a news conference.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283395,00

this is what normal parents do


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: blah on June 17, 2007, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Alec Devon Kreider, 16, of Lancaster, was arrested after his father told police that he had confessed to the killings, Manheim Township Police Chief Neil J. Harkins said at a news conference.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283395,00

this is what normal parents do


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283395,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 09:20:09 AM
That would be a hard thing to do, but most parents would turn them in I think.  It is the right thing to do, plus those parents might wakeup dead one morning if they didn't!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 09:56:46 AM
I can't imagine how hard that was for that father to turn in his son, but he did do the right thing for humanity, period. What a tragedy for any father but for him to do the right thing, shows their respect for human life - what Paulus has no concept of.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 09:58:03 AM
For all our monkey Dad's today, virtual cookies

HAPPY FATHER'S DAY

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/5c276dc1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 10:00:43 AM
mmmmm love the cookies Nonesie!! I wish I could taste one right now...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on June 17, 2007, 10:04:24 AM
HAPPY FATHER"S DAY-to all the monkey dads here!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2007, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Easy is that van on Aruba or a reference van ???? TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Easy is that van on Aruba or a reference van ???? TIA


I think it is just a reference.  Someone I don't know sent me that through my blog and wanted you to see it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
going to get ready for church. Have a great day monkeys!! And have a happy Father's Day all you guys out there 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2007, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Easy is that van on Aruba or a reference van ???? TIA


I think it is just a reference.  Someone I don't know sent me that through my blog and wanted you to see it.


OK... thank you. Any chance that person is located on Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:27:58 AM
Rob PLEASE do not start up this VAN stuff today ?????????

I'm asking respectfully !!!!







Note to OldFart, little none will post something to you later today, ok?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Easy is that van on Aruba or a reference van ???? TIA


I think it is just a reference.  Someone I don't know sent me that through my blog and wanted you to see it.


OK... thank you. Any chance that person is located on Aruba?


I don't think so.  I think it was just someone that had a good idea what make and model van was in the picture.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2007, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Someone wanted me to pass this along to Rob.

Suzuki Carry
http://images.carzone.ie/images/tomhuntCarWhi253.jpg


Easy is that van on Aruba or a reference van ???? TIA


I think it is just a reference.  Someone I don't know sent me that through my blog and wanted you to see it.


OK... thank you. Any chance that person is located on Aruba?


I don't think so.  I think it was just someone that had a good idea what make and model van was in the picture.


Thank you Essy- you have a terrific Father's Day .. I'm going to get going since someone with NO MOD powers is telling others what to discuss.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on June 17, 2007, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Rob PLEASE do not start up this VAN stuff today ?????????

I'm asking respectfully !!!!


Did I miss something?

Last night at dinner some friends who still vacation in Aruba asked me what was new with the Natalee Holloway situation, and I told them about Rob's catch on the van.  I saw significance with his observation and it confirmed some things in my mind about the rocks.

But, if it is a sore subject  -- to quote Roseann Roseannadanna -- never mind ! :wink:

Gotta get back to my work.  Somebody please solve this case while I'm gone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 10:53:49 AM
Let's just breath in the day and feel the wub......   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 10:58:28 AM
Can we talk about this?   :lol:

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/charlierat.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 11:05:35 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Easy where do we begin?


from mouse to rat  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 11:33:33 AM
this is little none and this is for Old Fart

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/94743460.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 11:41:47 AM
Just making a peek and run..
Busy day.. here

NoneS.
Love the cookies you left for all the Monkey Dads

Tell Little None  
Thank You for me... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 11:47:17 AM
None,

Little None's greeting to OF is pricesless!!!!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 11:50:03 AM
The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

“ Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

“ Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


How does one "retire" a Prime Minister in Aruba.....not the left hand pocket thing....but just remove him and put in someone who can work with the Netherlands and the Aruban people.  How much longer will he be in office?  Although, the above paragraph looks like it is already happening..... 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 12:16:04 PM
Morning monkeys... :D

Happy Father's Day to all of you Dads.....Nice card for Oldfart....talented offspring there.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 12:16:48 PM
From Charlierat's recent Aruba trip photo album.  Where are all the tourists/people?

Eagle Beach

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/EagleBeachCR.jpg)

Baby Beach

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/BabyBeachCR.jpg)

Arashi

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ArashiCR.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ArashiCR2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Need to get some work done, be back in a bit.  Happy Fathers Day to all dads!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:24:15 PM
WOW... Aruba's new slogan could be called ''''

ARUBA where one goes to be alone....

ARUBA when you want some time to yourself

ARUBA where you can have the beach to yourself...


well, y'all get the idea!!!


Title: Wonder if Joran an Papa Sloth...
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2007, 12:39:25 PM
Wonder if Joran an Papa Sloth...are spending a nice father son day together ;-)

Destiny :lol:


Title: Re: Wonder if Joran an Papa Sloth...
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: "Destiny"
Wonder if Joran an Papa Sloth...are spending a nice father son day together ;-)

Destiny :lol:


DO they have Father's Day in the Netherland's???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 12:46:16 PM
To All Our Monkeys Who are Fathers

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/images.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/images887.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 12:57:17 PM
Off topic.... and I can't believe I am admitting this...

I have never seen Psycho before and it's on now.... but for as long as I can remember I have never had anything but a see through shower curtin because of this movie...

Hitchcock's stuff was SCARY!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 12:57:33 PM
The article Klaas posted sounds like Aruba wants it both ways to me.  They want to be independent and not have to answer to anybody but want all the bennies from the Dutch they had before.


I don't think it works that way.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
They do want it both ways... they also want to cover up crimes and have tourists flocking to the place.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic.... and I can't believe I am admitting this...

I have never seen Psycho before and it's on now.... but for as long as I can remember I have never had anything but a see through shower curtain because of this movie...

Hitchcock's stuff was SCARY!!!



Well, I hope you will watch it for the classic value.

See through shower curtain  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: ???

 8)

Just kidding, I know what you mean, one that is sort of transluscent so you can tell if the shower is occupied by a lunatic welding a huge knife or something.



A couple of generations have been traumatized by that shower scene.  I always hesitate when looking in the bathtub/shower because of it to this day.  But I do always check there when looking for the monsters/invaders just as I do under the beds.

Yes, that was one memorable scene.

I may go watch myself as it has been a very long time since I saw it.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:03:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Who the hell are they kidding here.  

What they are saying is they don't want to share their corrupt money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:05:01 PM
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:06:14 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Off topic.... and I can't believe I am admitting this...

I have never seen Psycho before and it's on now.... but for as long as I can remember I have never had anything but a see through shower curtin because of this movie...

Hitchcock's stuff was SCARY!!!

I've never seen it before either mrs. red.

Like you the only part I have seen was the famous shower scene. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!

Hi mrs. red how are you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 01:07:08 PM
I'm surprised CharlieRat posted all those photos of the bare beaches but then he never was very smart,  :lol:

They do not look at all like the beach scenes we saw from before Natalee disappeared and they refused to provide even the slightest semblance of justice to her family.

Those are the man-made beaches in the resort area.  I wonder if they have to be maintained to prevent them from going back to the rougher state of the natural ones.

I much prefer the lush, tropical vegetation on islands, not the desert and ugly growth on Aruba.

JMO



.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Who the hell are they kidding here.  

What they are saying is they don't want to share their corrupt money.


Aruba is just like a little kid who wants an Allowance -- but with no rules to follow or chores to do.  
(I think Aruba needs a good "spanking" and "grounded.")


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!

Hi mrs. red how are you.


I am good... how are you??

 
We should have a caption contest to find Aruba a new slogan aobut it's empty beaches....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2007, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!

Hi mrs. red how are you.


I am good... how are you??

 
We should have a caption contest to find Aruba a new slogan aobut it's empty beaches....


How about:
"Will the last person to leave -- please turn off the lights"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Who the hell are they kidding here.  

What they are saying is they don't want to share their corrupt money.


Aruba is just like a little kid who wants an Allowance -- but with no rules to follow or chores to do.  
(I think Aruba needs a good "spanking" and "grounded.")

I'm glad the snubbed Oduber.

I'm waiting for Rudy Croes response to this.  He will issue some kind of threat.  He better shut up if he knows what's good for him.  Bunch of Jackasses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:11:32 PM
that's pretty good Wreck!!

I still like


Aruba, for when you wish to be ALONE.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:12:28 PM
I love how you cut to the chase, San. :lol:  

they are a bunch of jackasses!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!

Hi mrs. red how are you.


I am good... how are you??

 
We should have a caption contest to find Aruba a new slogan aobut it's empty beaches....

Empty Brains Empty Beaches. :lol:

I'm doing well mrs. red.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:15:40 PM
that's a good one, San... I think that might become my new signature line....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:17:56 PM
San...you are a hoot.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:18:17 PM
I can't seem to make it work... :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
Hi MeMere!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
San...you are a hoot.... :D

 :lol: Hi Mere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!


Rear Window is my all time Hitchcock fav!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:23:43 PM
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
ANNA,
I am watching it and Drumline...  :oops:  Love the classic value and the music...

I love Hitchcock movies!!!


Hey SAN!!


Rear Window is my all time Hitchcock fav!

.


Mine too Anna....tape is one of the ones next to the TV....seems I see more everytime I watch it.... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
My favorite was a twilight zone that had everyone with pig faces except this gorgeous girl... and the end scene they are making her "pretty".... and of course
THE BIRDS!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


the ending was wild!!!!  I didn't watch the entire thing...but bits and pieces.... it's too scary!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


the ending was wild!!!!  I didn't watch the entire thing...but bits and pieces.... it's too scary!


Whose blood was that going down the tub drain...his or hers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:38:48 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


the ending was wild!!!!  I didn't watch the entire thing...but bits and pieces.... it's too scary!


Whose blood was that going down the tub drain...his or hers?


I thought hers....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


the ending was wild!!!!  I didn't watch the entire thing...but bits and pieces.... it's too scary!


Whose blood was that going down the tub drain...his or hers?


I know this is so definitely OT.....but I just realized.....the mother was the only one left....did she kill him....?

Think I may need to scrape up another thought for Father's Day.....scary movies are not my thing...as you can see.  I would love to see the ending of the movie first....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:45:48 PM
Google says....she died


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:46:17 PM
MeMere it was a personality disorder kind of ending.... he became her....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2007, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Hello mrs....hello San.... :D

I have not seen it either...went to google and found the synopsis.... :shock:

Years ago.....I began leaving the shower curtain pulled to the side after hearing about the movie....had good imagination then....and now....
curtain still open unless company is coming.... :D


the ending was wild!!!!  I didn't watch the entire thing...but bits and pieces.... it's too scary!


Whose blood was that going down the tub drain...his or hers?


I know this is so definitely OT.....but I just realized.....the mother was the only one left....did she kill him....?

Think I may need to scrape up another thought for Father's Day.....scary movies are not my thing...as you can see.  I would love to see the ending of the movie first....


uhhh....HE WAS the mother! She was dead and he dressed up like her and "talked to himself" essentially.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 01:49:13 PM
O/T
Psycho--the mother was dead all the time having died years ago, was a mummy.  Norman is the one with the knife so is her blood.  He assumes the role of his mother in his own mind.

Then there is at least one sequel where he is up to his old pranks again.  Supposedly a complex mental disorder that he has.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:50:41 PM
it was weird and cool at the same time... HItchcock always is, IMO!!  He was so scary because of how twisted the mind can be....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Psycho--the mother was dead all the time having died years ago, was a mummy.  Norman is the one with the knife so is her blood.  He assumes the role of his mother in his own mind.

Then there is at least one sequel where he is up to his old pranks again.  Supposedly a complex mental disorder that he has.

.



and he is all talking in her voice in his mind at the end in the police station.... wouldn't hurt a fly!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Psycho--the mother was dead all the time having died years ago, was a mummy.  Norman is the one with the knife so is her blood.  He assumes the role of his mother in his own mind.

Then there is at least one sequel where he is up to his old pranks again.  Supposedly a complex mental disorder that he has.

.


 Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Psycho--the mother was dead all the time having died years ago, was a mummy.  Norman is the one with the knife so is her blood.  He assumes the role of his mother in his own mind.

Then there is at least one sequel where he is up to his old pranks again.  Supposedly a complex mental disorder that he has.

.


 Joran.


you know that is the post of the day IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 17, 2007, 01:56:57 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Psycho--the mother was dead all the time having died years ago, was a mummy.  Norman is the one with the knife so is her blood.  He assumes the role of his mother in his own mind.

Wasn't the mother *sitting* in a rocking chair when they discovered her?
I just remember shrieking....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 01:59:27 PM
OMG....thank you all.....can you believe the nurse who worked in surgery and emergency would not have seen psycho....I also aced psych.....I think it is time to see it....now that I know what happened.... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:00:23 PM
yes ... she was in a rocking chair...and then he comes in wearing a wig....so he is her.. it's pretty bizzare...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
OMG....thank you all.....can you believe the nurse who worked in surgery and emergency would not have seen psycho....I also aced psych.....I think it is time to see it....now that I know what happened.... :lol:



it's a good movie....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
Yes, it is Mrs R!  San is always right on it!

Off to make sure everybody has plenty of water for drinking and bathing as we are now under a heat advisory in addition to the highest D-4 drought conditions for first time ever in this region, temps to be near 100 on this dried ground.  Humidity still high so maybe that will prevent fires, we can only hope.

Horses have self filling/float for water but I want to make sure it is working being a worry wart about things like that.

Especially our father monkeys today, everybody be sure to:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/th1757blueflowerwonderful.gif)



Later, Gaters

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/29cphsz_th-1.gif)


Mrs Red, you have email.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 02:01:12 PM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/normanbates.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
OMG....thank you all.....can you believe the nurse who worked in surgery and emergency would not have seen psycho....I also aced psych.....I think it is time to see it....now that I know what happened.... :lol:

I'm still not watching it :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MeMere"
OMG....thank you all.....can you believe the nurse who worked in surgery and emergency would not have seen psycho....I also aced psych.....I think it is time to see it....now that I know what happened.... :lol:

I'm still not watching it :lol:


I'll not watch it with you, San.  :lol:

Way too spooky for the likes of me!!!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 02:09:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?

Jaws


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?



The Jagged Edge???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?


The Exorcist?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?

Jaws


BINGO!  After watching that movie I never wanted to swim in the ocean again, lol  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jaws4_600.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?



Still reading and I need to be working but had to guess!

Is it LEGION?  That scares me and is the spookiest one I have ever seen where the guy puts recorder with blank take in rooms and then there are voices recorded on the tape?

That's my all time big scare.  I had one from my baby monitor I use for the pups one time, too, a male voice.  Think my neighbors had same brand of monitor and I was picking up from theirs but scared the crap outta me!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I love scary movies and watch them all.  They don't bother me one bit, no nightmares, etc.  I even watch the gory ones without problems.  However, there is one movie that did scare me...can anyone guess which one that was?

Jaws


BINGO!  After watching that movie I never wanted to swim in the ocean again, lol  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jaws4_600.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol: Me too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2007, 02:14:14 PM
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/2NJSons_Mom/arg-dancing-happy-fathers-day-red-o.gif)

Just wanted to wish the monkey dads a happy day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:17:23 PM
Oh, I didn't even think of Jaws.... that movie kept everyone out of the water.... I wouldn't even swim in the pool... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh, I didn't even think of Jaws.... that movie kept everyone out of the water.... I wouldn't even swim in the pool... :lol:


ROFLMAO  :lol:

Seriously though, I used to waterski all the time in the ocean when I was in High School, never thought anything of it.  Not until JAWS  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh, I didn't even think of Jaws.... that movie kept everyone out of the water.... I wouldn't even swim in the pool... :lol:


ROFLMAO  :lol:

Seriously though, I used to waterski all the time in the ocean when I was in High School, never thought anything of it.  Not until JAWS  :shock:


A mechanical fish scared you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:28:35 PM
This was a pretty scary movie as well..I heard the sequel is coming out soon..They all go straight to prison.. :wink:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LastSummeraruba_small.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
too funny... we all just aged ourselves... I screamed bloody murder at the movies when the boat shows the guy in it during that movie... and I wouldn't ski on the lake that was near our house..... skied there all the time as a teenager... not after that movie :lol:  or the pool and forget the ocean when we were in FL on vacation.... :lol:  :lol:

so y'all know I am a geek...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: "*******"
This was a pretty scary movie as well..I heard the sequel is coming out soon..They all go straight to prison.. :wink:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LastSummeraruba_small.jpg)



That is a SCARY movie based on fact!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh, I didn't even think of Jaws.... that movie kept everyone out of the water.... I wouldn't even swim in the pool... :lol:


ROFLMAO  :lol:

Seriously though, I used to waterski all the time in the ocean when I was in High School, never thought anything of it.  Not until JAWS  :shock:


A mechanical fish scared you?

Yes, because great white sharks are real  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Oh, I didn't even think of Jaws.... that movie kept everyone out of the water.... I wouldn't even swim in the pool... :lol:


ROFLMAO  :lol:

Seriously though, I used to waterski all the time in the ocean when I was in High School, never thought anything of it.  Not until JAWS  :shock:


A mechanical fish scared you?

Yes, because great white sharks are real  :lol:



 :smt024  I need to write a movie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 02:36:41 PM
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:37:51 PM
Easy... she takes the geek title...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 17, 2007, 02:38:52 PM
JAWS reminds me of Aruba when i see it now. Beach town, shady politicians, shady tourism schills, attempted cover-up...and sharks.

All that is missing is an ending, a hero.

Quint: "What d'ya have there - a portable shower or a monkey cage? " :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
JAWS reminds me of Aruba when i see it now. Beach town, shady politicians, shady tourism schills, attempted cover-up...and sharks.

All that is missing is an ending, a hero.

Quint: "What d'ya have there - a portable shower or a monkey cage? " :arrow:



so true...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 02:43:22 PM
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:

Charlie --- I love your pictures - I posted that already on FOB.

But one thing - the Monkeys seemed very elated (of course we know that it does not take too much to get them excited) but they seem to be misunderstanding all of your shots of empty beaches - meaning that there are no people on Aruba's beaches.

I of course know the reason, but maybe you could spell it out for them in Monkey language! TIA


Let me guess  :wink:  Charlierat took the photos at 5am because the heat mid day in Aruba was too much to bare?  That's why in all the photos there are so few cars and tourists at any of the locations? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:44:59 PM
It crawls.... It creeps.... It eats you alive!

The Blob

Steve McQueen was offered $2,500 or 10% of the profits. He took the $2,500 because wasn't expected to make much. It ended up grossing over 4 million dollars


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:

Charlie --- I love your pictures - I posted that already on FOB.

But one thing - the Monkeys seemed very elated (of course we know that it does not take too much to get them excited) but they seem to be misunderstanding all of your shots of empty beaches - meaning that there are no people on Aruba's beaches.

I of course know the reason, but maybe you could spell it out for them in Monkey language! TIA


Let me guess  :wink:  Charlierat took the photos at 5am because the heat mid day in Aruba was too much to bare?  That's why in all the photos there are so few cars and tourists at any of the locations? :lol:



LET ME SPELL IT FOR YOU, MEDLEY.... YOU ASSBITE, IT'S BECAUSE THE BEACHES ARE EMPTY THAT WOULD BE THE REASON....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:46:09 PM
The Rat get a free trip to Aruba for spreading lies all over the internet and attacking the victims family?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:46:57 PM
[img]http://www.bucuticam.com/tarabeach.jpg[img]

Yeah, Aruba beachs are hopping with tourists


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
(http://www.bucuticam.com/tarabeach.jpg)

Yeah, Aruba beachs are hopping with tourists


Yeah Kermit,

It looks like maybe 4 people during the mid-day sun.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
It crawls.... It creeps.... It eats you alive!

The Blob

Steve McQueen was offered $2,500 or 10% of the profits. He took the $2,500 because wasn't expected to make much. It ended up grossing over 4 million dollars


I saw it as a kid on a sci-fi channel..Scared the heck out of me..I kept checking underneath my bed all night!! :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
I am shocked that Oduber would say that. Out loud.
That must be what Rudy was talking about when he said that Aruba cut ties with Holland. Except for the money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Yeah! ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "Kermit"
(http://www.bucuticam.com/tarabeach.jpg)

Yeah, Aruba beachs are hopping with tourists


Yeah Kermit,

It looks like maybe 4 people during the mid-day sun.



I guess if you are Aruban that is a good thing.... no tourists on the beach... and of course the REASON is that if you let murderers go free and cover up the crime on your island to protect the murderers no one wants to go there....

uh, how's that for an explanation????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Kermit"
It crawls.... It creeps.... It eats you alive!

The Blob

Steve McQueen was offered $2,500 or 10% of the profits. He took the $2,500 because wasn't expected to make much. It ended up grossing over 4 million dollars


I saw it as a kid on a sci-fi channel..Scared the heck out of me..I kept checking underneath my bed all night!! :?


ROFL!

I should rent it - see what crawls, creeps and eats you alive!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:51:31 PM
From Amigoe

The Netherlands forces Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to  

ORANJESTAD – “There is no war between the two countries of the Kingdom, but it can be better”, says the Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

He says that the Netherlands seizes the drastic political changes for the Antillean islands to force Aruba to matters she doesn’t want to.  According to him, there is a chance that achievements are reversed, because also St, Maarten and Curacao won’t get these with the new political structure and the Netherlands is striving to be univocal.    

“ Aruba does not want independence; we cannot handle that. Aruba wants financial independence and no supervision from the Netherlands .  Aruba wants to work together with the other islands in certain fields, like justice, criminality, and safety.”

Last week during his visit to The Hague , Oduber wanted to talk to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in order to come to a good relationship.  But that was not possible and the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:53:04 PM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg)


FOUR TOURISTS - mid day Aruba on the fast track


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Every time hair would start popping out on Tommy Kirk sis would squeal and hide her eyes. We never got to see the end of the Incredible Shrinking Man either, because she started thinking she was shrinking!   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:54:43 PM
Quote from: "*******"

 the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.  


.............burn


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


When my ex and I were dating, we often had to drag my little brother (the prince) along with us for hamburgers or a movie...where he wanted to sit between us.....guess how we took care of the movie problem...yep...The Blob.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 02:56:45 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


How Steve McQueen managed to come across cool in that movie is the biggest mystery about it.  Why didn't people just out run that blob?  I mean it was moving at a pace that made a snell look like a bottle rocket!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kermit on June 17, 2007, 02:57:01 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Every time hair would start popping out on Tommy Kirk sis would squeal and hide her eyes. We never got to see the end of the Incredible Shrinking Man either, because she started thinking she was shrinking!   :(


Hope you didn't take her to see 'Ghostbusters'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "*******"

 the Aruban premier was also not admitted to the Federal Council of Ministers.  


.............burn


Yup..Must have been quite the embarassment for him..  8) I see they are talking of canceling the china trip as well..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 02:59:49 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


How Steve McQueen managed to come across cool in that movie is the biggest mystery about it.  Why didn't people just out run that blob?  I mean it was moving at a pace that made a snell look like a bottle rocket!


Special effects have come a long way since then!!  It was the slowness that was so creepy though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


When my ex and I were dating, we often had to drag my little brother (the prince) along with us for hamburgers or a movie...where he wanted to sit between us.....guess how we took care of the movie problem...yep...The Blob.... :D


That is funny!!! poor brother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
My older sister always had this thing about people morphing into other things.  Scared her to death and she would have nightmares for days and days.  One Saturday afternoon my mom took me and sis to go see a movie.  My sister was so terrified that we had to get up and leave the movie half way through.  It was years later before I got to see the end of the 1959 version of The Shaggy Dog.  :lol:


 :shock: I can understand the blob or salems lot..But the Shaggy Dog!!!ROFL!!


Oh my gosh!  I was just thinking of "the blob" when everyone was discussing movies.  That is the one that freaked me out.  I didn't think anyone else would remember that!


How Steve McQueen managed to come across cool in that movie is the biggest mystery about it.  Why didn't people just out run that blob?  I mean it was moving at a pace that made a snell look like a bottle rocket!


Special effects have come a long way since then!!  It was the slowness that was so creepy though.


I remember when it was scary, but to watch it now it is good for a chuckle.  Same with the mummy movies.  That mummy would just keep coming, dragging that leg and would catch people everytime!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 03:03:11 PM
Charlierat's explaination of the lack of people in his photos:   :lol:

I already addressed this point in the "Let's Make Fun of the MonKKKeys" thread but I'll be glad to address it again here.

In case it was not obvious to the monKKKeys, I prefer scenery shots over people shots. Plus, I consider it to be rude to aim a camera at complete strangers and take their picture without their knowledge or permission. So I intentionally tried to get empty stretches of beach in my photos.

Believe it or not, monKKKeys, the purpose of my trip was purely pleasure; I was not trying to prove any points to the likes of you losers in the Klan.

There's also a technical issue invovled here. If you look in the distance at the Eagle Beach, Baby Beach and Arashi shots, you will, in fact, see that there are consider numbers of people in the distance. My digital camera tends to focus on the foreground so the people in the distance look like little black specks. But, trust me, they are there.

On the same note, the flight to Aruba from Atlanta was nearly full and everywhere I went, I saw substantial crowds of guests having the times of their lives. That is, the beaches all had good crowds on them and the restaurants and tourist sites also all had nice crowds. In short, the island was jumping from end to end.

I met a bunch of people from Georgia, Tennessee and, especially, the New England area (Boston was very well represented). Most of the people I met were on Aruba for the first time in their lives and every one of them (without exception) was officially in love with One Happy Island. A few had already bought timeshares and every one of them (again, without exception) talked enthusiastically about their next trip to paradise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sirensong on June 17, 2007, 03:06:33 PM
LOL! Yeah, right.  

Hi Monkeys!  Happy Father's day to all!

Why are the people over there so hateful?  Because we want answeres?  God forbidit was one of their loved ones.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:08:06 PM
If meeting charlierat didn't scare those tourist off, nothing will!   :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sirensong on June 17, 2007, 03:08:31 PM
I can't type either.  I have one of those cordless keyboards, and every time you hit "space", it doesn't put the space in there.  Then you have to go back and seperate all the words.  Sometimes I send it without checking to make sure all the words are seperated.  Just some useless information for you!  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 03:09:12 PM
Nice of AHATA to give the Ratt a free trip. Hey Charlie why dont you just stay in Aruba!! He prefers taking pics of empty beaches..YEh Right!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Nice of AHATA to give the Ratt a free trip. Hey Charlie why dont you just stay in Aruba!! He prefers taking pics of empty beaches..YEh Right!!


He should have put his inflatable woman out on those beaches to make it look busy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 03:14:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Charlierat's explaination of the lack of people in his photos:   :lol:

I already addressed this point in the "Let's Make Fun of the MonKKKeys" thread but I'll be glad to address it again here.

In case it was not obvious to the monKKKeys, I prefer scenery shots over people shots. Plus, I consider it to be rude to aim a camera at complete strangers and take their picture without their knowledge or permission. So I intentionally tried to get empty stretches of beach in my photos.

Believe it or not, monKKKeys, the purpose of my trip was purely pleasure; I was not trying to prove any points to the likes of you losers in the Klan.

There's also a technical issue invovled here. If you look in the distance at the Eagle Beach, Baby Beach and Arashi shots, you will, in fact, see that there are consider numbers of people in the distance. My digital camera tends to focus on the foreground so the people in the distance look like little black specks. But, trust me, they are there.

On the same note, the flight to Aruba from Atlanta was nearly full and everywhere I went, I saw substantial crowds of guests having the times of their lives. That is, the beaches all had good crowds on them and the restaurants and tourist sites also all had nice crowds. In short, the island was jumping from end to end.

I met a bunch of people from Georgia, Tennessee and, especially, the New England area (Boston was very well represented). Most of the people I met were on Aruba for the first time in their lives and every one of them (without exception) was officially in love with One Happy Island. A few had already bought timeshares and every one of them (again, without exception) talked enthusiastically about their next trip to paradise.


I realize that to each their own, but this is not what I would consider PARADISE.  It's what I would consider hell...dry...dirty...hot...arid...


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CRphoto.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If meeting charlierat didn't scare those tourist off, nothing will!   :P



Yeh the Time Shares are a real bargain..They come with 2 bedroom,1 bath and 3 chollers  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Nice of AHATA to give the Ratt a free trip. Hey Charlie why dont you just stay in Aruba!! He prefers taking pics of empty beaches..YEh Right!!


He should have put his inflatable woman out on those beaches to make it look busy.


ROFL!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 03:20:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Charlierat's explaination of the lack of people in his photos:   :lol:

I already addressed this point in the "Let's Make Fun of the MonKKKeys" thread but I'll be glad to address it again here.

In case it was not obvious to the monKKKeys, I prefer scenery shots over people shots. Plus, I consider it to be rude to aim a camera at complete strangers and take their picture without their knowledge or permission. So I intentionally tried to get empty stretches of beach in my photos.

Believe it or not, monKKKeys, the purpose of my trip was purely pleasure; I was not trying to prove any points to the likes of you losers in the Klan.

There's also a technical issue invovled here. If you look in the distance at the Eagle Beach, Baby Beach and Arashi shots, you will, in fact, see that there are consider numbers of people in the distance. My digital camera tends to focus on the foreground so the people in the distance look like little black specks. But, trust me, they are there.

On the same note, the flight to Aruba from Atlanta was nearly full and everywhere I went, I saw substantial crowds of guests having the times of their lives. That is, the beaches all had good crowds on them and the restaurants and tourist sites also all had nice crowds. In short, the island was jumping from end to end.

I met a bunch of people from Georgia, Tennessee and, especially, the New England area (Boston was very well represented). Most of the people I met were on Aruba for the first time in their lives and every one of them (without exception) was officially in love with One Happy Island. A few had already bought timeshares and every one of them (again, without exception) talked enthusiastically about their next trip to paradise.


I realize that to each their own, but this is not what I would consider PARADISE.  It's what I would consider hell...dry...dirty...hot...arid...


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CRphoto.jpg)


AND THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF IT LOOKS LIKE!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 03:20:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If meeting charlierat didn't scare those tourist off, nothing will!   :P



Yeh the Time Shares are a real bargain..They come with 2 bedroom,1 bath and 3 chollers  :lol:


and  theif hiding in the trees ( i was singing that part )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:22:42 PM
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
Oh scary movies....
When I was young and still at home, my "date" and I went to see some Mummy movie. I came home and we were standing in inside the house near the stairways, saying goodnight. Suddenly, there are heavy footsteps on the stairs. Who's there I ask ? No answer. I ran out the door, up the sidewalk, crying. My date is runing as fast as me.
..
It was my Dad. ! !
My Dad comes running out of the house up the front sidewalk in his pj's. What's going on here ?
He had to bring us back into the house.  ( Becasue I swear he looked different and I didn't recognize him )
Holy Moley !
We laughed and laughed well into the week.
When I asked my Dad who didn't you answer, he just said, like who do you think would be coming up the stairs / Like it was so obvious to him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Nice of AHATA to give the Ratt a free trip. Hey Charlie why dont you just stay in Aruba!! He prefers taking pics of empty beaches..YEh Right!!


He should have put his inflatable woman out on those beaches to make it look busy.


ROFLMAO!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……


That is interesting..She said on her website she felt alot of fear on that island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:30:42 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 03:33:28 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.



Easy, Will you ask Carla If she has or will share any information with Tim
Miller about there deep water searches if she could or has provided search areas to them


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 03:35:48 PM
That is interesting that she felt fear.
I will have to look to see what she is talking about.
When I first became aware of Aruba because of this Natalle Holloway case, I did look at the tourist glossies. La Cabana seemed like a place I would go, the all ages aspect of it.
Now, I wouldn't set foot there. Safety is an issue with me.
I am sure that people do love Aruba and have had a good time there, but it isn't for me. Too much catering to the vices.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 03:36:29 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.


well you can damn well bet that they were watched every step of the way on that island


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 03:47:42 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.

I just went to her website and there is a link to yours. I understand about running it by her and I will be patient.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.



Easy, Will you ask Carla If she has or will share any information with Tim
Miller about there deep water searches if she could or has provided search areas to them


I think she would share anything she learned, or felt with the family, but she won't give me many details about the actual episode.  I like the woman and she has always been nice to me, but I still take the whole psychic thing with a grain of salt.  It will be an interesting program though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.



Easy, Will you ask Carla If she has or will share any information with Tim
Miller about there deep water searches if she could or has provided search areas to them


I think she would share anything she learned, or felt with the family, but she won't give me many details about the actual episode.  I like the woman and she has always been nice to me, but I still take the whole psychic thing with a grain of salt.  It will be an interesting program though.


I have been watching her show for sometime now , I think many of you will be surprised specially since many of you have worked so hard on this case... you may see what many of you think unfold before you.. and I believe for many of us I know I will get emotional.. When she did the show on Tara Grinstad although unsolved it was very telling..  Carla said in that case she Tara was dead and buried within 10 miles of her home.. they just havent found the spot.. I dont believe in all psychic.. but i do believe that some people just know things that others dont


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.



Easy, Will you ask Carla If she has or will share any information with Tim
Miller about there deep water searches if she could or has provided search areas to them


I think she would share anything she learned, or felt with the family, but she won't give me many details about the actual episode.  I like the woman and she has always been nice to me, but I still take the whole psychic thing with a grain of salt.  It will be an interesting program though.


I have been watching her show for sometime now , I think many of you will be surprised specially since many of you have worked so hard on this case... you may see what many of you think unfold before you.. and I believe for many of us I know I will get emotional.. When she did the show on Tara Grinstad although unsolved it was very telling..  Carla said in that case she Tara was dead and buried within 10 miles of her home.. they just havent found the spot.. I dont believe in all psychic.. but i do believe that some people just know things that others dont


Jossy was very impressed with her and said he will be glued to the TV Wednesday night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 04:04:57 PM
Too bad she didnt meet the coward that hides behind Bushes and Lawyers. Last time PVDS was approached by a psychic he told dave he didnt want anything to do with her..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on June 17, 2007, 04:05:40 PM
LOL

I think CharliePat doth protest too much. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron was just telling me about some of their experiences while in Aruba.  Not about the actual program that will be on this week, but about members of the crew being arrested and detained while in Aruba.  Interesting story……

Well, you will have to write it up for us...  arrested ? detained ? Only in Aruba, eh ?


I'm working on something, but promised to run it by her before I posted anything.



Easy, Will you ask Carla If she has or will share any information with Tim
Miller about there deep water searches if she could or has provided search areas to them


I think she would share anything she learned, or felt with the family, but she won't give me many details about the actual episode.  I like the woman and she has always been nice to me, but I still take the whole psychic thing with a grain of salt.  It will be an interesting program though.


I have been watching her show for sometime now , I think many of you will be surprised specially since many of you have worked so hard on this case... you may see what many of you think unfold before you.. and I believe for many of us I know I will get emotional.. When she did the show on Tara Grinstad although unsolved it was very telling..  Carla said in that case she Tara was dead and buried within 10 miles of her home.. they just havent found the spot.. I dont believe in all psychic.. but i do believe that some people just know things that others dont


Jossy was very impressed with her and said he will be glued to the TV Wednesday night.



good that is good to hear the people of Aruba can see the show hopefully Jossy will do follow-up article on it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:06:20 PM
I don't know how much or how far I can believe these types of things. But I do believe that there are people who are intuitive.
They pick up on body language, speech patterns, timber in the voice,
eye movements, blinking, breathing, sweating, the way a sentence is strung together.
The same things that polygraphs pick up on in a more scientific recordable manner.
Good policemen would have those skills honed. Therapists. Anyone who deals with people and who is good at it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:11:06 PM
Hey, I don't get Court TV. Hope Carpe comes thru. A transcription is good, but with this one, I think it would have to be viewed.
I am not surprised that Jossy would be interested and impressed with Ms. Baron. He is a student of people and what makes them tick. Hence the writing he does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I don't know how much or how far I can believe these types of things. But I do believe that there are people who are intuitive.
They pick up on body language, speech patterns, timber in the voice,
eye movements, blinking, breathing, sweating, the way a sentence is strung together.
The same things that polygraphs pick up on in a more scientific recordable manner.
Good policemen would have those skills honed. Therapists. Anyone who deals with people and who is good at it.


Agreed..Intuitive I believe in..Super Psychic abilities..I am very skeptical..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2007, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Hey, I don't get Court TV. Hope Carpe comes thru. A transcription is good, but with this one, I think it would have to be viewed.
I am not surprised that Jossy would be interested and impressed with Ms. Baron. He is a student of people and what makes them tick. Hence the writing he does.


Kat_Gram- I just forwarded your request to him. I should have got a TV Tuner on this lap-top when I bought it. I darn forgot about that feature when I went.

If he captures it and I think he will, I'll post it on my site even though I don't think she will add anything and could just follow this board and get her info here and make it seem in-tune with what is already known. I'll post it so those that don't have the channel can watch it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:22:08 PM
I am sure Carpe will share with SM and whomever asks... it should be interesting,  is this the same woman that the show Medium was written about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:22:32 PM
I was thinking about that when I went into the other room. And looked at a little painting I have.
Artists can convey emotions and feelings to us in their paintings.
How do they do that ? It is just colored paint on canvas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:24:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am sure Carpe will share with SM and whomever asks... it should be interesting,  is this the same woman that the show Medium was written about?


nope that is Allison Dubois, But when she was interviewed By Rita Cosby
about the case she stateed on Nataional TV that the police had teh right suspect and the father was involved also and she see's them with natalee
by the water


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am sure Carpe will share with SM and whomever asks... it should be interesting,  is this the same woman that the show Medium was written about?

No, Medium is Allison DuBois.
Ty Rob.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am sure Carpe will share with SM and whomever asks... it should be interesting,  is this the same woman that the show Medium was written about?


nope that is Allison Dubois, But when she was interviewed By Rita Cosby
about the case she stateed on Nataional TV that the police had teh right suspect and the father was involved also and she see's them with natalee
by the water

Oh, I saw that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:26:44 PM
A reminder of what Allison said


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RITA COSBY, LIVE AND DIRECT HOST: Allison, do you think a psychic could help in this case?  We‘ve gotten so many e-mails from folks asking about it.  

ALLISON DUBOIS, PSYCHIC MEDIUM: Well, yes, one can help in this case.  

COSBY: How so?  What could you learn?  Could we learn who the suspects are, what happened to Natalee?  What avenue...  


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DUBOIS: Well, in this case, you have the right suspects.  They‘re completely guilty.  The things that I would find important to be looking at, if I were working this case, would be, for instance, that these three boys have done this to other girls before that were visiting Aruba as tourists.  It just hasn‘t escalated to murder, but I would look at the pattern that was set down by their past victims.  

COSBY: Now, Allison, you said that these guys are completely guilty.  

DUBOIS: Yes.  

COSBY: You know, they haven‘t been convicted.  

DUBOIS: Sure.  

COSBY: Why do you say that?  

DUBOIS: Well, fortunately, I can head tap people.  That‘s what they use me to do for jury selection for the prosecution and to head tap people who commit murders.  So I know that, just by looking at their picture, whether or not they committed the crime.  

I can also tell you that Jordan Van Der Sloot‘s father knows a lot more than he‘s saying and, in my mind, is almost as guilty as they are, because he has helped to cover up this crime.  

COSBY: Now, what is head tap?  And what role, also, did Joran‘s father play, in your mind?

DUBOIS: Head tapping is when I basically can see through the eyes of the person who committed the crime.  And I do understand Mr. Holloway‘s concern in religion.  And I always say, if you‘re going to bring somebody in that does what I do to make sure you bring someone in that‘s valid, that has a track record, ethically, and that‘s able to bring in specific details of a crime.  

I don‘t think they should work necessarily with the parents of the victim, but the law enforcement involved, which makes it difficult in this case because it‘s a foreign government that‘s being dealt with, which makes it even more difficult.  

COSBY: Now, Allison, you know, the big question everyone is wondering, is Natalee dead or alive?  What‘s her state?  

DUBOIS: Well, and with all due respect to the parents, and I hope I say this with sensitivity, she was not sold on the black market.  She has passed.  And I think, right now, we‘re just working to maybe find a little justice for her.  

I‘m all for the boycott, because any pressure that you put on the government is going to be good in getting something out of them other than what they‘ve offered up.  

COSBY: And real quick, I don‘t know if you can foresee the future, but will we see closure to this case, real quick?  

DUBOIS: I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found.  

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am sure Carpe will share with SM and whomever asks... it should be interesting,  is this the same woman that the show Medium was written about?


nope that is Allison Dubois, But when she was interviewed By Rita Cosby
about the case she stateed on Nataional TV that the police had teh right suspect and the father was involved also and she see's them with natalee
by the water


Oh SNAP... I remember now... I thought she was pretty credible and I am pretty skeptical of that kind of thing to be honest, but I liked her... and as much as Rita made me a little mental with the breathless fascination with the strangest things at times, I miss her show!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:29:14 PM
SUe thank you for bringing that...... maybe she did see that one of them would turn on the others and come clean.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
SUe thank you for bringing that...... maybe she did see that one of them would turn on the others and come clean.....


one can only hope.. we are coming down to the wire here..
Even Carla said she thinks the police know who did it
But you can feel the fear on the fear on the ialnd


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
SUe thank you for bringing that...... maybe she did see that one of them would turn on the others and come clean.....


one can only hope.. we are coming down to the wire here..
Even Carla said she thinks the police know who did it
But you can feel the fear on the fear on the ialnd


sheesh that didnt make sense I guess I should watch the key board and screen

Corrected: she could feel the fear on the island


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:35:42 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
SUe thank you for bringing that...... maybe she did see that one of them would turn on the others and come clean.....


one can only hope.. we are coming down to the wire here..
Even Carla said she thinks the police know who did it
But you can feel the fear on the fear on the ialnd


sheesh that didnt make sense I guess I should watch the key board and screen

Corrected: she could feel the fear on the island


I would be all afraid too... of how corrupt the island is....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 04:35:54 PM
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:37:55 PM
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.



Well someone how i find that very hard to believe that Joran is posting on any sight   But Joran if your reading this you SUCK


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 04:40:54 PM
Sounds like something Joran would say..Shame that he can't accept the truth for what he did to Natalee..Even his own father said one minute he is crying..The next minute he is serious..It is like there are 2 jorans..Sounds like this is the other Joran..The one that believes his own lies..

Hey Joran..You want to see something really sick??Look at the lies and hate they say on that board about Natalee and her family!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:42:43 PM
From Mrs. Red at Scared Monkeys:

First off I would like to say that if you are truly sorry Joran you should go ahead and admit that you are GUILTY!  You have told so many lies, for once tell the truth.  Personally I think the only truth you have told is that you have done this twenty times before...meaning the drugging and raping of tourist girls.  You just didn't kill any of them - but this time something bad happened.  Yes, Joran it did... you killed an innocent young woman and with the help of the Kalpoe brothers caused harm to the island of Aruba.  YOU, your family, the Kalpoes and all the corruption in covering up the murder of a tourist is what harmed the island.  LOOK in the mirror and think about it as long as you live.

The above editorial represents my opinion and my opinion only.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:44:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.

..
Well if I could post a response to Joran it would be that I cannot believe all that is said about Natalee and her family on FOB. I also cannot believe
some of the things Joran has said about Beth... she did not act like a grieving Mother, etc. I can't believe Joran at all. Thing that were said about him and his family. Too bad, get over it. It is all your own doing.
You family is suffering not because of what people say, but they are suffering because you are still the chief suspect and will not tell the truth and give some peace to Natalee's parents.
And, why don't you post at SM on the FP ?  You big wuss.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
From Mrs. Red at Scared Monkeys:

First off I would like to say that if you are truly sorry Joran you should go ahead and admit that you are GUILTY!  You have told so many lies, for once tell the truth.  Personally I think the only truth you have told is that you have done this twenty times before...meaning the drugging and raping of tourist girls.  You just didn't kill any of them - but this time something bad happened.  Yes, Joran it did... you killed an innocent young woman and with the help of the Kalpoe brothers caused harm to the island of Aruba.  YOU, your family, the Kalpoes and all the corruption in covering up the murder of a tourist is what harmed the island.  LOOK in the mirror and think about it as long as you live.

The above editorial represents my opinion and my opinion only.



i am in total agreement Mrs. Red


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 04:49:21 PM
Maybe he could find the Lord in a jail cell. Like many before him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night



I agree ... maybe I should log in as Joran and confess.... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 04:49:42 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night


...and I don't think he developed perfect English and spelling overnight either....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:50:13 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night



I agree ... maybe I should log in as Joran and confess.... :lol:


LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.

If this is really from Joran he must have taken some writing lessons.

Also, you are a murdering piece of shit and your father is a pervert who in my opinion is a rapist just like you.

I hope someone blows your murdering brains out.

Have a good day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night



I agree ... maybe I should log in as Joran and confess.... :lol:


Now this is funny :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 17, 2007, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.

If this is really from Joran he must have taken some writing lessons.

Also, you are a murdering piece of shit and your father is a pervert who in my opinion is a rapist just like you.

I hope someone blows your murdering brains out.

Have a good day.


OMG i am going to pee myself laughing ( I love it)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night


...and I don't think he developed perfect English and spelling overnight either....

Exactly Mere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 04:57:25 PM
He was enjoying FOB soo much until a few got in there and showed some real facts. I would like to Know why Joran's Daddy's best friend said he would get him to holland and in a mental institution and not to a prison.

Why dont you explain that to your followers Joran??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.

If this is really from Joran he must have taken some writing lessons.

Also, you are a murdering piece of shit and your father is a pervert who in my opinion is a rapist just like you.

I hope someone blows your murdering brains out.

Have a good day.


San, that about covers it!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: "*******"
He was enjoying FOB soo much until a few got in there and showed some real facts. I would like to Know why Joran's Daddy's best friend said he would get him to holland and in a mental institution and not to a prison.

Why dont you explain that to your followers Joran??

I would like to know how a police commissioner thinks a sociopath can be cured.

What kind of crime would warrant a mental institution.  WTF did this monster do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.

Joran wishes he could write this well.  He could have sold two more copies of his book if he did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.


Sounds more like Medleyrelay to me  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 05:03:35 PM
FOB is insane, that's all I gotta say, Meds must be on additional meds  :roll:

BT, MeMere, little none thanks you for your sweet comments

back to do more yard work, I am sweating like a field hand  :lol: UGH!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
:lol: Moonshit's (not to be confused with Moonshadow) response to Joran at FOB:

Do you use a ghost writer on blogs too?

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol: Moonshit's (not to be confused with Moonshadow) response to Joran at FOB:

Do you use a ghost writer on blogs too?

 :lol:  :lol:



 :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:08:45 PM
Quote


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.


Sounds more like Medleyrelay to me  :lol:[/quote]

That is exactly who it probably is!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 17, 2007, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.


Exactly.....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:20:47 PM
Ahhh..Welcome to the cage JVDS :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Ahhh..Welcome to the cage JVDS :D


 :lol:  :lol: I just realized what you meant.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Sue"
quite honestly that doesnt sound like Jorans writings at all
every interview and article and book he is a cocky SOB
he didnt find the lord and change over night



I agree ... maybe I should log in as Joran and confess.... :lol:


Now this is funny :lol:



Yes, it is!   :D  :D  :D

And log in as Paulus and admit to the cover up and Anita for orchestrating the lies.

What would be the difference;  same deal.

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


LOL  I wonder if Deepak and Satish will show up next!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.


IMO - the sentence structure and English is too good for this to be Joran.


Who is this imposter trying to kid? I would never write at FOB. I post on Dutch sites. I know what I got away with. Yea, people are not allowed to say things about my family, I'm only allowed to say things about Natalee's family and get away with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:28:04 PM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:30:53 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Ahhh..Welcome to the cage JVDS :D


Thank you. Did not think I was actually going to be allwed in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:33:54 PM
JVDS :shock: How did you get out of going to a Mental Institution or Prison and to writing books and going on talk shows?? Will anita be wearing a see through blouse on the cover of her book?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 05:35:26 PM
Oh JVDS Post more. maybe once we get to know you, we will understand and come to believe that you are delicious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:36:59 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Oh JVDS Post more. maybe once we get to know you, we will understand and come to believe that you are delicious.



that is wrong, just wrong!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 05:37:39 PM
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Oh JVDS Post more. maybe once we get to know you, we will understand and come to believe that you are delicious.


Riiight!! We just dont understand the dutch and there laws :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: "*******"
JVDS :shock: How did you get out of going to a Mental Institution or Prison and to writing books and going on talk shows?? Will anita be wearing a see through blouse on the cover of her book?


Its easy to get out of jail and the psych ward, I lie just like usual and they believe me. ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:43:26 PM
who taught you to lie so well... your mother or father?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
*******,

I left you a post back on Page 6.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)


I guess I am supposed to take that as a compliment. I pride myself in my work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: "JVDS"
Quote from: "*******"
JVDS :shock: How did you get out of going to a Mental Institution or Prison and to writing books and going on talk shows?? Will anita be wearing a see through blouse on the cover of her book?


Its easy to get out of jail and the psych ward, I lie just like usual and they believe me. ;)


Thanks..Have you been practicing lying for years?? Or just fell in love with lying after Natalee dissapeared?? Are you dating Guido at the moment?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 05:48:48 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

I left you a post back on Page 6.

 :wink:


K..Ill go look.. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "JVDS"
Quote from: "*******"
JVDS :shock: How did you get out of going to a Mental Institution or Prison and to writing books and going on talk shows?? Will anita be wearing a see through blouse on the cover of her book?


Its easy to get out of jail and the psych ward, I lie just like usual and they believe me. ;)


Thanks..Have you been practicing lying for years?? Or just fell in love with lying after Natalee dissapeared?? Are you dating Guido at the moment?


I have been perfecting lying as an art for quite some time. Look at all my training has got me? I get people like Greta to even believe me. Not bad, eh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on June 17, 2007, 05:53:35 PM
Sounds like CharlieRat's trying to get a job advertising for Aruba :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 17, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)



Not to mention his Frankie head is bigger than his shoes :wink:
May I ask WHY this person was allowed here? I really do not want to see this place turn into a farce site...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: "JVDS"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)


I guess I am supposed to take that as a compliment. I pride myself in my work.



Perhaps that pride is premature.  How did you know on Monday that "The Girl" (her name is Natalee in case no one in Aruba has heard that yet) was missing to be discussing this with Freddie?  You even admit it in your book that it was May 30.

Natalee's plane did not leave until afternoon on Monday and there was not yet any news coverage.

I'd call that a major screw up on your part.  There are many instances of you and the Kalpoes messing up like that.  This is maybe the most imperfect crime ever.  Not even the professional cover up has deterred from just about everybody in the world knowing who is guilty.  Except for a few more interested in free gambling junkets.

But please let me know how you knew all about it on Monday to tell Freddie.

TIA

JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 05:55:58 PM
What are your plans for the rest of your life, JVDS ?
You know there is no money in doing grafetti.
I admire your artisitic bent. Did your Mumma homeschool you in art ?
ps I think I am crazy for asking a question of JVDS when I know it is not him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JVDS on June 17, 2007, 05:56:43 PM
I must run ,,, ttyl.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:58:12 PM
excellent points ANNA....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
What are your plans for the rest of your life, JVDS ?
You know there is no money in doing grafetti.
I admire your artisitic bent. Did your Mumma homeschool you in art ?
ps I think I am crazy for asking a question of JVDS when I know it is not him.

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 05:59:24 PM
btw... thanks for leaving FOB to post over here.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: "JVDS"
I must run ,,, ttyl.

Wait wait wait.  What size shoes do you wear :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Sounds like CharlieRat's trying to get a job advertising for Aruba :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Why not?  He most likely already got a free trip  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: "JVDS"
I must run ,,, ttyl.


Why?  Where could you be going?  It's Sunday night..nothing happens on Sunday night..remember?  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)



Not to mention his Frankie head is bigger than his shoes :wink:
May I ask WHY this person was allowed here? I really do not want to see this place turn into a farce site...


The point isn't that its a farce site ... THE POINT is that no one should believe that someone is actually posting stating they are somebody else. Especially at a site that has "ZERO" credibility.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
who taught you to lie so well... your mother or father?

Both.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on June 17, 2007, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Sounds like CharlieRat's trying to get a job advertising for Aruba :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Why not?  He most likely already got a free trip  :lol:


Well I think he's working on another :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 06:06:13 PM
Quote

*******,

Doing a fly by on my way to bed but the reporter and cameraman had been covering some sort of car racing in Curacao. Now the odd thing is around this same time of their suicides we read in the papers about a fight in a bar involving racer people from Curacao.

Don't remember if it was C&C or Bahia but think it was one of those two bars where there was a bad fight and I think the race people beat up a couple of tourists badly. The tourist thought ALE had to know who this crew would be as they identified them very well but don't think much was done to the attacking pit crew or whatever they were.

Klaas or Janet probably have the articles from the newspapers.

At least the car races is what they were "officially" working on from my memory only. I, too, think something not right with these suicides by hanging.
Quote


Anna, Yeh I read about that bar fight as well!!! I know that was not at C&C and I believe it was Bahia..When I researched the reporter that story on Racing was all I could find. Rumor's were flying around afterwards that it was a love triangle similar to what they said about pitbull..All BS!!

These suicides are extremely disturbing and highly questionable..I tried to translate Diario from the last suicide and the word violent and assasinate was in his writing. I am not sure if Jossy would tell us anything about this as its obvious there is someone evil at work here. Even though the female reporter was covered in bedding my heart ached for her. It looked extremely violent to me!! One person hanging themselves with a hand in the pocket is suspicious but two people in a row!! :shock:

Sorry for the gory talk folks but this needs to be looked into.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 06:08:07 PM
Quote from: "Sue"


<snipped>

COSBY: Now, Allison, you said that these guys are completely guilty.  

DUBOIS: Yes.

COSBY:  Why do you say that?  

DUBOIS: Well, fortunately, I can head tap people.  ... So I know that, just by looking at their picture, whether or not they committed the crime.

<snipped>

COSBY: Now, what is head tap?  ...

DUBOIS: Head tapping is when I basically can see through the eyes of the person who committed the crime.

<snipped>




IMO ...

Allison DuBois dictates attention when she gives credit to her psychic abilities in regards to her revelations concerning certain aspects of the Natalee Holloway case.  However many ... including Beth Twitty, Dave Holloway and the majority of monkeys on this forum ... have arrived at the same conclusions based on info derived from various sources and ... the compiled info referred to is as a "THEORY".

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Sounds like CharlieRat's trying to get a job advertising for Aruba :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Why not?  He most likely already got a free trip  :lol:


Well I think he's working on another :lol:


Sounds like he is selling time shares to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 06:12:06 PM
Red,

What is your take on this?? You see the pics of the last two hangings(Suicides) in Aruba??

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/p_frontpage_bg.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 17, 2007, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)



Not to mention his Frankie head is bigger than his shoes :wink:
May I ask WHY this person was allowed here? I really do not want to see this place turn into a farce site...


The point isn't that its a farce site ... THE POINT is that no one should believe that someone is actually posting stating they are somebody else. Especially at a site that has "ZERO" credibility.



 :?: I do not understand your answer to my question...I know this person isn't who he/she is claiming to be...my question was:
WHY was this person allowed HERE into Scared Monkey forum to post??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Red,

What is your take on this?? You see the pics of the last two hangings(Suicides) in Aruba??

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/hanging5_9.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/p_frontpage_bg.jpg


I don't know what Red's take is, but my take is this:

If you hang around in Aruba it's bad for your health  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi JVDS

Does the fact that your head looks like Frankenstein's have anything to do with the fact that you're a murdering sociopath?

Thanking you in advance for the information.  :D  8)



Not to mention his Frankie head is bigger than his shoes :wink:
May I ask WHY this person was allowed here? I really do not want to see this place turn into a farce site...


The point isn't that its a farce site ... THE POINT is that no one should believe that someone is actually posting stating they are somebody else. Especially at a site that has "ZERO" credibility.



 :?: I do not understand your answer to my question...I know this person isn't who he/she is claiming to be...my question was:
WHY was this person allowed HERE into Scared Monkey forum to post??


Nut - My guess would be that it's Red or Klaas one who is posting to make the point that any site can have someone post under any name they want to.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 17, 2007, 06:18:32 PM
This is the question I always ask myself when I see a hanging to figure out whether it was suicide or homicide.

1) Are there also 3 shots to the back of the head? kidding ;)

Seriously, where is the platform that they would fall off of to hang themselves? We saw from hangings in Iraq that if you jump from too high, well, your head pops off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 06:20:02 PM
gotta run Monkeys....

Nut.. BT's answer would be the one I would take...

keep the faith Monkeys!!!

TTYL....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JVDS"
I must run ,,, ttyl.

Wait wait wait.  What size shoes do you wear :lol:


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 06:26:48 PM
Quote from: "Red"
This is the question I always ask myself when I see a hanging to figure out whether it was suicide or homicide.

1) Are there also 3 shots to the back of the head? kidding ;)

Seriously, where is the platform that they would fall off of to hang themselves? We saw from hangings in Iraq that if you jump from too high, well, your head pops off.


Makes me wonder why there was bedding all around that reporter..Maybee she had visible evidence that a picture would disclose.
1..LOL!!
2.Your right!!

I am not saying this has to do with Natalee.. I am just suspicious that there hand was in the pocket after jumping and hanging to there death. The Investigation ruled all of them suicides...Quite clear that it was a warning/calling card of whoever did it. I can't help but think the GOVT is involved. Either directly or they turned there back and let whoever get away with it. They even published the pics so everyone could see...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on June 17, 2007, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "*******"
From Joran@FOB

First off, I would like to say that without a doubt, I cannot believe all that is said here about my family and the island of Aruba. I am deeply sorry for everything that has happened and I want everyone to know I am innocent. I never hurt Natalee. I have read many, many things here, but now I must post and I, you know, don't think people should be allowed to say the things that have been said about me and my family. That is all I have to say.

If this is really from Joran he must have taken some writing lessons.

Also, you are a murdering piece of shit and your father is a pervert who in my opinion is a rapist just like you.

I hope someone blows your murdering brains out.

Have a good day.


San, that about covers it!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Wow!  Tell us what you really feel!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 06:44:16 PM
Company should be here any minute.  I'll check back in a while.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 07:14:37 PM
Hopinng all the dads had a great dady today.

Also if anyone has Direct TV.. be sure to check your guide for the Court Tv station. For the last few days the channel  it is SUPPOSE to be on.. it hasnt. Its a blank channel. I called Direct TV.. they said its been changed from 203 to 246. I dont know if that is just in my area,, or goes for all subscribers of Direct Tv satellite. Hubby looked on the guide.. its on there as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hopinng all the dads had a great dady today.

Also if anyone has Direct TV.. be sure to check your guide for the Court Tv station. For the last few days the channel  it is SUPPOSE to be on.. it hasnt. Its a blank channel. I called Direct TV.. they said its been changed from 203 to 246. I dont know if that is just in my area,, or goes for all subscribers of Direct Tv satellite. Hubby looked on the guide.. its on there as well.


I put a little bit of an interesting backstory about this "Missing in Paradise" show coming up on Wednesday night on my blog.  I also learned that a friend of Beth's made contact with them initially and they went to Birmingham where they were given some unwashed tee-shirts belonging to Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
The ghoulish conversation last evening/day about hangings made me go to some very odd websites.
Hanging :  Not as easy as it looks. That is why they had hangmen to
figure out from the weight of the person how much of a " drop" is needed.
Else... decapitation... oops, that drop was too deep.
Or .. strangulation... drop not deep enough. This could lead to unnecessary suffering ( for the spectators ). As it takes a long time.
The lawyer person who hung himself in SA in a closet that was shorter than himself... well either it was a murder staged to look as a suicide or  ?? I have no reasonable explanation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 07:33:18 PM
I read today in our local paper about this site. I haven't had time to check it out thoroughly, but it does look interesting.

http://www.doenetwork.org/

Here is what the site says it is:

Our Mission

The Doe Network is a volunteer organization devoted to assisting Law Enforcement in solving cold cases concerning Unexplained Disappearances and Unidentified Victims from North America, Australia and Europe. It is our mission to give the nameless back their names and return the missing to their families. We hope to accomplish this mission in three ways; by giving the cases exposure on our website, by having our volunteers search for clues on these cases as well as making possible matches between missing and unidentified persons and lastly through attempting to get media exposure for these cases that need and deserve it.

We cooperate with several Missing Person, Law Enforcement agencies and Medical Examiners and strive to work with more in the future.


I have searched the site briefly, but did not find any mention of Natalee. I don't know whether that's because she went missing outside the North America, Australia, Europe scope of their site or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hopinng all the dads had a great dady today.

Also if anyone has Direct TV.. be sure to check your guide for the Court Tv station. For the last few days the channel  it is SUPPOSE to be on.. it hasnt. Its a blank channel. I called Direct TV.. they said its been changed from 203 to 246. I dont know if that is just in my area,, or goes for all subscribers of Direct Tv satellite. Hubby looked on the guide.. its on there as well.


I put a little bit of an interesting backstory about this "Missing in Paradise" show coming up on Wednesday night on my blog.  I also learned that a friend of Beth's made contact with them initially and they went to Birmingham where they were given some unwashed tee-shirts belonging to Natalee.


Easy - I think this part of what she told you makes the ALE sound particularly fishy:

"Even on the beach that night - Greg Palmer (one of our producers) was fending off local police as they were telling him to "pack it up" and leave. They did this throughout the night, so we had to move through our readings as quickly as possible. But it didn't matter - my reading was very clear from the beginning."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hopinng all the dads had a great dady today.

Also if anyone has Direct TV.. be sure to check your guide for the Court Tv station. For the last few days the channel  it is SUPPOSE to be on.. it hasnt. Its a blank channel. I called Direct TV.. they said its been changed from 203 to 246. I dont know if that is just in my area,, or goes for all subscribers of Direct Tv satellite. Hubby looked on the guide.. its on there as well.


I put a little bit of an interesting backstory about this "Missing in Paradise" show coming up on Wednesday night on my blog.  I also learned that a friend of Beth's made contact with them initially and they went to Birmingham where they were given some unwashed tee-shirts belonging to Natalee.


 OH WOW!!  Will be sure to go and read it .. TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Hopinng all the dads had a great dady today.

Also if anyone has Direct TV.. be sure to check your guide for the Court Tv station. For the last few days the channel  it is SUPPOSE to be on.. it hasnt. Its a blank channel. I called Direct TV.. they said its been changed from 203 to 246. I dont know if that is just in my area,, or goes for all subscribers of Direct Tv satellite. Hubby looked on the guide.. its on there as well.


I put a little bit of an interesting backstory about this "Missing in Paradise" show coming up on Wednesday night on my blog.  I also learned that a friend of Beth's made contact with them initially and they went to Birmingham where they were given some unwashed tee-shirts belonging to Natalee.


Easy - I think this part of what she told you makes the ALE sound particularly fishy:

"Even on the beach that night - Greg Palmer (one of our producers) was fending off local police as they were telling him to "pack it up" and leave. They did this throughout the night, so we had to move through our readings as quickly as possible. But it didn't matter - my reading was very clear from the beginning."


Yeah, doesn't sound like some people wanted them there.  Thank God she didn't scream out Nadira, Nadira, Nadira!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 17, 2007, 07:48:52 PM
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 17, 2007, 07:53:42 PM
BT:

Doe Network uses police/media reports, "unidentified female", etc. and tries to cross reference these with missing persons reports to help identify "John Doe" victims.  They would not be involved with a case unless there is an unidentified victim.  Some of the cases they work are not crimimal, but victims of acccidents, etc. where the victim cannot be identified.  

In some cases, they have brought in forensic artists to recreate the faces of victims when only skeletal remains were found, and use age progression computer programs to try to match missing persons with bodies not claimed by families.  They do some fascinating work in these areas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 07:54:25 PM
Igs   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 07:54:49 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 17, 2007, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember



How can he be an effective lawyer if he cannot remember squat???? Glad I do not have to depend on him in court :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
Quote from: "lexie"
Quote from: "igsigs"
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember



How can he be an effective lawyer if he cannot remember squat???? Glad I do not have to depend on him in court :lol:  :lol:

He doesn't remember he wasn't effective. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: "lexie"
BT:

Doe Network uses police/media reports, "unidentified female", etc. and tries to cross reference these with missing persons reports to help identify "John Doe" victims.  They would not be involved with a case unless there is an unidentified victim.  Some of the cases they work are not crimimal, but victims of acccidents, etc. where the victim cannot be identified.  

In some cases, they have brought in forensic artists to recreate the faces of victims when only skeletal remains were found, and use age progression computer programs to try to match missing persons with bodies not claimed by families.  They do some fascinating work in these areas.


Thanks for the info, Lexie. It looks like an interesting and helpful site.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 17, 2007, 08:07:50 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I read this post at the Clue Bus by knot. I think it sort of fits this conversation LOL.

Knot wrote:
I'm gonna move to Aruba

For the longest time I've feared I'm losing my mind...if I move there and do..no one will notice


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 08:09:56 PM
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 17, 2007, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


great news Lalas' about the rain. We could sure use some here as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 17, 2007, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: "San"



How can he be an effective lawyer if he cannot remember squat???? Glad I do not have to depend on him in court :lol:  :lol:

He doesn't remember he wasn't effective. :lol:[/quote]

HA HA HA HA HA...  :lol:  You may be right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:14:01 PM
Hi Lexie, Sam. lalas, Lexi..anyone else I may have missed.


Easy I read your post on your blog! Sounds VEARY interesting and I cant wait to see the show!  TY!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 08:14:10 PM
Happy dances in the rain are good. I have done that myself recently.
I like the rain except when it goes on for days. Love a good thunderstorm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 17, 2007, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


We had 12 drops yesterday.  :D  Our forecast calls for 40% chance every day this week.  Hope we get some.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Happy dances in the rain are good. I have done that myself recently.
I like the rain except when it goes on for days. Love a good thunderstorm.


Please send me rain that will go on for days and days. It hasn't rained here in weeks. Well, the other day we had a brief shower that literally lasted about 60 seconds, but that's all. We are in an "exceptional" drought - the worst kind. It can't get any more droughty than that. Now the local weather stations are saying it might be sometime in August before we get any rain.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:19:44 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Did you do the rain tango?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 08:20:27 PM
Gosh!  BT Our area is smack dab in the middle of that exceptional drought area too.  I so enjoyed the rain we got today, yet I realize it will do little to lessen the drought.  It just felt so good to feel it on my face and smell the freshness that came with it.

I still have a desert in my back yard.  I don't think I like it either, reminds me of Aruba.  Lots of dirt and little beauty.


Title: My experience only!!
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 08:21:59 PM
I know that many of you are skeptics it comes to psychics, and I agree there are many pretending to have that ability but actually are big fakes.  I have however been touched by someone many years ago that has made me a cautious believer that some have this gift.

When my son was a toddler he loved to take things out of my purse.  One day I realized that my keys were missing after returning from the store.  I had driven to the store so new I had them coming home.  We were having a dinner party that night, and I was focused on that, and I was paying any attention to my purse.  

The next day I had to run an errand and my keys were not to be found anywhere.  It wasn’t a large bunch of keys, just my house key, my parent’s house key, a car key, and a safety deposit box key. I search everywhere looking for the keys.  I took all the cushions off chairs and felt beneath the stitching, sofas, I moved furniture; I looked under beds, in the laundry, in toy boxes.  No keys anywhere.  I looked outside the house, just couldn’t find them it was like that had evaporated.  

I could get a set of duplicate keys, but I was a little concerned about changing locks etc.  It became my focused mystery for months, and I had mentioned it to a number of friends and relatives.  It was really bugging me.  

My sister in law called me one afternoon, and said, almost cautiously that she had a friend that was psychic.  She said she didn’t like it to be known, but she had talked to her and she said she would try to help me.  

I called the woman, and I said the keys have just disappeared, and explained where I had searched.  She just listened.  Then she said, your keys have something to do with food.  They are hidden in something that has to do with food.  She asked if I had been to a restaurant around that time, and is it possible that they keys had fallen in between the seats of the booth? She said she saw them enclosed in something.  I said, no I had the keys to get home and unlocked my house, so it couldn’t be that.  She said, well I can’t tell you exactly where they are, I can only tell you what is am feeling. I know they are between something, and it has to do with food.  I thanked her and thought OK.  We will see.

  I searched my cupboards to see if I had accidentally placed them there while cooking, not there, I searched my refrigerator and freezer to see if my son had dropped them in there.  No luck.  I finally gave up and said they will never be found. My sister in law said that the woman, whom I have never met, asked occasionally if I had found the keys.  
Almost 9 months later someone asked me for a recipe of something I had made.  I pulled down the cookbook and placed it on the counter and it opened by itself!  I looked down and there in the center of my cookbook were my car keys.  I must have used them to keys to keep the book from closing, and then closed it up with the keys there with out realizing it.  

I was so stunned I just sat down and stared at them.  Then I called my sister in law, and asked her to call her friend and tell her she was right, and I had found them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 08:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Did you do the rain tango?


No, but local churches have been praying for it for weeks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:24:02 PM
Hello all Monkeys.


BT that is a good website.  I checked out some missing people in Australia.  Some I can remember when they went missing.  Also there were some I know about that are not on the site so maybe the families or people concerned are responsible for having them added to the site and not just all the missing folk registered in police files.  So very sad for those that are left wondering.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 08:25:04 PM
Hi Angie!  Are you behaving tonight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 08:25:25 PM
:smt039

Hi Monkeys..

Was it Anna that was checking out home generators at some time?
Power was off for 4 Hrs.  (Yes I'v gotten spoiled :oops: )
Hope all Monkey Dads had a good Father's day... and everyone had a great week-end
Well I off to try to read backwards (I have a hard enough time reading forwards)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 08:26:54 PM
AzSunnny that is a good one. I have never consulted one. There was a lady here who was pretty good, but I was afraid. Her name was Mrs. Red as she had fiery red hair when she was young, no sh*t.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
AzSunnny that is a good one. I have never consulted one. There was a lady here who was pretty good, but I was afraid. Her name was Mrs. Red as she had fiery red hair when she was young, no sh*t.


Well,  there have been several times in the last 30 years that I sure wish I had kept her name and number.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:28:53 PM
Cool story AZ~!!!!!!!!!   :)

 I been to a psychic  a few times years ago.. all that she told me has came true. I was very skeptical. My hubby hated that I went.. said it was devil crap since thats what he grew up hearng his parents say.
  Anyhow she used to tape the readings. an hour long reading. When I played the tapes for him.. he didnt think nothing of it.. listened again a month or 2 later when crap happend.. and had to then tell him to STFU!
 She even said long long. and i mean long ago. I see your hubby around a dark haired woman.. etc. he said to me.. she must mean my mother.
  HA  :roll:  :roll:  found out not but 2 months later.. the dark haired woman was his.. Ahem Mistress he was bangin.  Lot of other interesting things I found out.  I have not had a reading in years. She moved t NJ and does them over the phone now.. she has a speaker phone.. she still tapes the reading and mails it to yah. BUT the cost of the reading and the phone call?  YIKES!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Angie!  Are you behaving tonight?


 Of course I am..   :twisted:
 I am too tired to be bad.. work was hell today..  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Did you do the rain tango?


No, but local churches have been praying for it for weeks.


It is that dry here also and churches have held ecumenical gatherings to pray for rain and some respite for the farmers and their stock as well as the native creatures.

BTW did you get my email a few days ago.  Have had a couple go astray lately.  BT will agree with that  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 08:32:21 PM
Angie I have Direct TV too and Court TV is on 246. It says "Cops" is on now.  I don't subscribe to the Guide mag.

All fathers, mentor fathers, step fathers, fathers of pets, fathers serving our Country, Veteran fathers and God The Father

Happy Father's Day


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 08:34:19 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Gosh!  BT Our area is smack dab in the middle of that exceptional drought area too.  I so enjoyed the rain we got today, yet I realize it will do little to lessen the drought.  It just felt so good to feel it on my face and smell the freshness that came with it.

I still have a desert in my back yard.  I don't think I like it either, reminds me of Aruba.  Lots of dirt and little beauty.


Same here, Lala's. I said when I saw Charlierat's photos of Aruba that there was no need for me to go there. I can see lots of dry dirt and dead things in my own back yard. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello all Monkeys.


BT that is a good website.  I checked out some missing people in Australia.  Some I can remember when they went missing.  Also there were some I know about that are not on the site so maybe the families or people concerned are responsible for having them added to the site and not just all the missing folk registered in police files.  So very sad for those that are left wondering.


 Hi Tibro!
 I was thinking about yah this morning when i was gettnig ready for work.. LOL  I use that AUSSIE hairspray  ..purple can with the kangaroo on it!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Oh and moms that are fathers too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Angie I have Direct TV too and Court TV is on 246. It says "Cops" is on now.  I don't subscribe to the Guide mag.

All fathers, mentor fathers, step fathers, fathers of pets, fathers serving our Country, Veteran fathers and God The Father

Happy Father's Day


 IBE~!!  Holy crap.. get to be here when you are for a change!!  :)
 We dont have the guide mag either. but hubby puhed the guide button on the remote.. and found it then.  :oops:  :oops:   LOL
 Hope you are feeling better!
<ps.. no, I was not the one who spoke to Todd Beamer.. ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello all Monkeys.


BT that is a good website.  I checked out some missing people in Australia.  Some I can remember when they went missing.  Also there were some I know about that are not on the site so maybe the families or people concerned are responsible for having them added to the site and not just all the missing folk registered in police files.  So very sad for those that are left wondering.


 Hi Tibro!
 I was thinking about yah this morning when i was gettnig ready for work.. LOL  I use that AUSSIE hairspray  ..purple can with the kangaroo on it!  :wink:


Hi Angie - don't know that hairspray, but then I do not use spray as it dries my hair too much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Oh and moms that are fathers too!



 :D  Amen to that Tibro.. Some single moms have to be both!
Been there done that when I was younger!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 08:41:42 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Did you do the rain tango?


No, but local churches have been praying for it for weeks.


It is that dry here also and churches have held ecumenical gatherings to pray for rain and some respite for the farmers and their stock as well as the native creatures.

BTW did you get my email a few days ago.  Have had a couple go astray lately.  BT will agree with that  :lol:


By the way, Tibro, I sent you an email the other day, so let me know if you didn't get it, okay?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "IBE"
Oh and moms that are fathers too!



 :D  Amen to that Tibro.. Some single moms have to be both!
Been there done that when I was younger!  :)



 :oops:  Sorry I mean IBE!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:42:29 PM
AZSunny that was an interesting story.  I have respect for genuine psychics but there are a lot of shonks out there, and it is best to be guided by recommendation from someone you know or trust to find a genuine one.  I have a friend I ring up when I lose anything and exhaust all the possible places to look.  She usually is spot on, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 08:42:56 PM
Tibro
I just checked again for an email...sorry.  I didn't see one.  If you want send me another one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello all Monkeys.


BT that is a good website.  I checked out some missing people in Australia.  Some I can remember when they went missing.  Also there were some I know about that are not on the site so maybe the families or people concerned are responsible for having them added to the site and not just all the missing folk registered in police files.  So very sad for those that are left wondering.


 Hi Tibro!
 I was thinking about yah this morning when i was gettnig ready for work.. LOL  I use that AUSSIE hairspray  ..purple can with the kangaroo on it!  :wink:


Hi Angie - don't know that hairspray, but then I do not use spray as it dries my hair too much.



 :lol:  Its good stuff  :)  Gotta use super sticky Freeze for my spikeys!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good evening monkeys.  I hope all are well tonight.   It rained here for almost 20 minutes today.  I was so happy that I did a happy dance...in the rain...no less.  What's up?


Did you do the rain tango?


No, but local churches have been praying for it for weeks.


It is that dry here also and churches have held ecumenical gatherings to pray for rain and some respite for the farmers and their stock as well as the native creatures.

BTW did you get my email a few days ago.  Have had a couple go astray lately.  BT will agree with that  :lol:


By the way, Tibro, I sent you an email the other day, so let me know if you didn't get it, okay?  :wink:


Yep - got it, thanks BT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:45:14 PM
Oldfart,
  Hope you had a Happy Fathers Day !  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Tibro
I just checked again for an email...sorry.  I didn't see one.  If you want send me another one.


Will do, Lala's - going to catch up with my e-correspondence today.  Too cold to be outdoors although it is sunny.  Snow somewhere on the highlands. Just hung out some washing and had to defrost my fingers  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello all Monkeys.


BT that is a good website.  I checked out some missing people in Australia.  Some I can remember when they went missing.  Also there were some I know about that are not on the site so maybe the families or people concerned are responsible for having them added to the site and not just all the missing folk registered in police files.  So very sad for those that are left wondering.


 Hi Tibro!
 I was thinking about yah this morning when i was gettnig ready for work.. LOL  I use that AUSSIE hairspray  ..purple can with the kangaroo on it!  :wink:


Hi Angie - don't know that hairspray, but then I do not use spray as it dries my hair too much.



 :lol:  Its good stuff  :)  Gotta use super sticky Freeze for my spikeys!  :wink:


My hair is super fine but thick, thank goodness.  I inherited my mother's wavy hair so do not have to do much to it.  Just have to have a really good hairdresser who can cut with the wave as it has a mind of its own and if not cut correctly can look a mess.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 08:50:25 PM
Angie,
 
I didn't get back to the CrownBooks discount store. Wanted to get you a copy anyway for what you did. When eye better, I'll try again and hope it's still there. The lady in the book  name is "Lisa" I think. Did you know her?

I posted in the Lounge about the inner city ER here that's in the news.. you might find it interesting.

I used the thingie to go ahead in the schedule days but it ran out on Monday. I'll keep reading here to have the Great Monkeys to remind me to watch it. :o

Thanks MONKEY FAMILY :lol:  :lol:

Love, IBE (the eyed bandit today) Eyes are tired. Read back later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 08:53:53 PM
Lala's -email on way to you @ 71 etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Oldfart,
  Hope you had a Happy Fathers Day !  :wink:

Thanks Angie
I hate to say it BUT the card from Little None back on page 8 may have been best  :(
Oh well ...
Why was I thinking little none was a CAT ???    :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Angie,
 
I didn't get back to the CrownBooks discount store. Wanted to get you a copy anyway for what you did. When eye better, I'll try again and hope it's still there. The lady in the book  name is "Lisa" I think. Did you know her?

I posted in the Lounge about the inner city ER here that's in the news.. you might find it interesting.

I used the thingie to go ahead in the schedule days but it ran out on Monday. I'll keep reading here to have the Great Monkeys to remind me to watch it. :o

Thanks MONKEY FAMILY :lol:  :lol:

Love, IBE (the eyed bandit today) Eyes are tired. Read back later.


 No sweety.. dont know Lisa..  Todd's call did not come into our center.
 It went to another one..  :wink:  ' That is awfully sweet of you to think about me and the book.  TY!  Big hugs!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 17, 2007, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "lexie"
BT:

Doe Network uses police/media reports, "unidentified female", etc. and tries to cross reference these with missing persons reports to help identify "John Doe" victims.  They would not be involved with a case unless there is an unidentified victim.  Some of the cases they work are not crimimal, but victims of acccidents, etc. where the victim cannot be identified.  

In some cases, they have brought in forensic artists to recreate the faces of victims when only skeletal remains were found, and use age progression computer programs to try to match missing persons with bodies not claimed by families.  They do some fascinating work in these areas.


Thanks for the info, Lexie. It looks like an interesting and helpful site.


They are particularly helpful to families of runaways and those who leave voluntarily, or who end up living on the streets.  Often, there is no police involvement, when they leave on their own.  If they die, or become crime victims, this group helps to i.d. them so that families can claim the remains and have closure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Oldfart,
  Hope you had a Happy Fathers Day !  :wink:

Thanks Angie
I hate to say it BUT the card from Little None back on page 8 may have been best  :(
Oh well ...
Why was I thinking little none was a CAT ???    :?

The kitties names are Sophie & Wigggles and they are adorable.
there is a You Tube of them or a picture or some thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 08:59:04 PM
Red...If you are here..Look for my email I sent you 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: "lexie"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "lexie"
BT:

Doe Network uses police/media reports, "unidentified female", etc. and tries to cross reference these with missing persons reports to help identify "John Doe" victims.  They would not be involved with a case unless there is an unidentified victim.  Some of the cases they work are not crimimal, but victims of acccidents, etc. where the victim cannot be identified.  

In some cases, they have brought in forensic artists to recreate the faces of victims when only skeletal remains were found, and use age progression computer programs to try to match missing persons with bodies not claimed by families.  They do some fascinating work in these areas.


Thanks for the info, Lexie. It looks like an interesting and helpful site.


They are particularly helpful to families of runaways and those who leave voluntarily, or who end up living on the streets.  Often, there is no police involvement, when they leave on their own.  If they die, or become crime victims, this group helps to i.d. them so that families can claim the remains and have closure.


It's wonderful that they are able to do that and help those families. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to be left in limbo for years, not knowing whether there is any hope or not.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:01:13 PM
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Oldfart,
  Hope you had a Happy Fathers Day !  :wink:

Thanks Angie
I hate to say it BUT the card from Little None back on page 8 may have been best  :(
Oh well ...
Why was I thinking little none was a CAT ???    :?


 I saw that and was sweet of Little None to make you a pic .
Little None is human.. LOL She is not a cat or a dog..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??



I've never actually done it but there is a key up near the F-12 on the keyboard that says Print Screen???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


 Are you trying to so a screen capture? If so.. no idea how to do that?
   I am sure others know if thats what you are asking?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Oldfart,
  Hope you had a Happy Fathers Day !  :wink:

Thanks Angie
I hate to say it BUT the card from Little None back on page 8 may have been best  :(
Oh well ...
Why was I thinking little none was a CAT ???    :?


 I saw that and was sweet of Little None to make you a pic .
Little None is human.. LOL She is not a cat or a dog..  :wink:



I have actually met Little None and she's just wonderful.  She's all you guys would expect and more.  I think she takes after her mommy. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Tibro
I just checked again for an email...sorry.  I didn't see one.  If you want send me another one.


Will do, Lala's - going to catch up with my e-correspondence today.  Too cold to be outdoors although it is sunny.  Snow somewhere on the highlands. Just hung out some washing and had to defrost my fingers  :evil:


Oh Tib,  that sounds wonderful.  It is 103 here today!  A cozy fireplace and a bit of snow and chill.  bring on a glass of wine and a good book.  

Of course we were in the pool today and that wasn't too bad either!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:08:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


 Are you trying to so a screen capture? If so.. no idea how to do that?
   I am sure others know if thats what you are asking?


Yeh..Its easy on the mac..Apple,SHFT 3..Goes to PDF format and drops on desktop. I tried a bunch of things including all the F keys and prnt screen button..Had no luck..

Thanks though..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 09:08:37 PM
Print Srceen on Windows   is Shift&Print Sceen to copy to windows clip board.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


you press control and the key that says print screen at the same time.  or it may be ALT and print screen.  one of those.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


 Are you trying to so a screen capture? If so.. no idea how to do that?
   I am sure others know if thats what you are asking?


Yeh..Its easy on the mac..Apple,SHFT 3..Goes to PDF format and drops on desktop. I tried a bunch of things including all the F keys and prnt screen button..Had no luck..

Thanks though..


  LOL I am pretty much a simpleton when it comes to things like that!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Can someone tell me if there is a easy way to screen print on a pc?

Im a mac guru so I have no idea..lol..Must be a shortcut..Cntrl something??Anyone??


you press control and the key that says print screen at the same time.  or it may be ALT and print screen.  one of those.  :lol:


You know, everything you read says you should press some other key + the print screen button, but I always press just the print screen button, and it works!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2007, 09:14:49 PM
OMG!! I just realized the little none you guys are talking about is a dog! :shock:  :shock:   I am so embarrassed...slinking off now.... :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:15:50 PM
Thanks guys..I tried all that..If it did work I dont know where the file went..I am so used to seeing it appear on the desktop. Next time I see something that I need copied immediately I will switch over to the mac. I copied the damn URL but it reverted back to somethin else :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Thanks guys..I tried all that..If it did work I dont know where the file went..I am so used to seeing it appear on the desktop. Next time I see something that I need copied immediately I will switch over to the mac. I copied the damn URL but it reverted back to somethin else :(


well,  I just tried all 3 ways too, and none of them worked.  what is up with that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 09:18:47 PM
Now wait just a Min. Here...
I know I'm an OldFart...
thought little none.. made cookies... etc..
but when the post says "this is little none and this is for Old Fart"
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)
It was little none posting under Nones Id..
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)

I do not have a rock to crawl under so I'm just going to (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/actionsmile.gif) and then  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/autruche.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:19:16 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
OMG!! I just realized the little none you guys are talking about is a dog! :shock:  :shock:   I am so embarrassed...slinking off now.... :oops:  :oops:

  LMAO Lalas.. the dog is their pet doggy..  and Little None made the sign I assume and put it around Big Reds neck..   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:19:55 PM
Klaas if your here check your mail please  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Now wait just a Min. Here...
I know I'm an OldFart...
thought little none.. made cookies... etc..
but when the post says "this is little none and this is for Old Fart"
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)
It was little none posting under Nones Id..
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/ff8df856.gif)

I do not have a rock to crawl under so I'm just going to (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/actionsmile.gif) and then  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/autruche.gif)


Hey! Stop hitting our favorite Oldfart!  :smt058


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 17, 2007, 09:21:18 PM
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Klaas if your here check your mail please  :wink:


I think she has company!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


You're just trying to cause feelings of inadequacy in those of us who are sound-system impaired.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


 Nothing like listening to good music on a good stereo system!
<I swear the one in my car is better then the one I have in my house..lol>


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "*******"
Klaas if your here check your mail please  :wink:


I think she has company!


K..It is nothing urgent..Thx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: *******
Thanks guys..I tried all that..If it did work I dont know where the file went..I am so used to seeing it appear on the desktop. Next time I see something that I need copied immediately I will switch over to the mac. I copied the damn URL but it reverted back to somethin else :([/quote

******* this is what Windows says to do :

To copy Window or Screen contents.

To make a copy of the active window, press ALT and PRINT SCREEN.

To copy the entire screen as it appears on your monitor, press PRINT SCREEN.

To paste the image into a document click the EDIT menu in the document window and then click PASTE.

Hope it helps.

When all else fails - ask Klaas   :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:30:29 PM
At work, there are about 30 people who enter stuff into the computer system, then I have to monitor what they do and tell them what they did wrong.

Trust me - I use that Print Screen button a lot.  :lol:

I hit Print Screen while I'm in the database program, then go to Word and paste it so I can print it out and give it to the culprit. Have I mentioned how much they love me there?  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 09:30:43 PM
Call out to Little None
Or if someone can pass this along..
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/dd7905d7.gif)    :oops:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/d42ea623.gif)
Plese forgive this dumb OldFart  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/50d16bb7.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 09:32:11 PM
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:32:26 PM
Thx Tibro..My settings on the keyboard wont allow me to do it..Closest I came was finding it in paint hitting cntrl V..It is too late to copy what i was looking for anyway :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: justinsmama on June 17, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


Where does the "print screen" hide?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


Easy, I bet it is fabulous. I saw Celtic Women in the Birmingham Concert Hall last year and it was fantastic...very mystical and ethereal...those are some really talented ladies....I was mesmerized  :wink:  :lol:

And *******, I just tried apple shift 3 on my mac and it did a screen capture PDF on my desktop of the forum. I had no idea it would do that! I'm psyched!!! Of course, the next time I need something like that, I'll have probably forgotten which keys to press  :oops: Sorry I can't help you with a screen capture on the PC...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


Where does the "print screen" hide?


usually on the top right side of your keyboard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


Where does the "print screen" hide?


One of the keys above the arrow keys to the right of the normal qwerty keyboard, and to the left of the number keys.

I am still looking for the "any" key .........

BTW how did you go with Justin and his trip?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


 It dont on Vista..  :evil:  :evil:  I tryed.. it dont do crap.  Hit the print screen on my keyboard.. nuttin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 09:39:17 PM
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: justinsmama on June 17, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Print Srceen on Windows   is Shift&Print Sceen to copy to windows clip board.



Wow! It works!

Found the print screen key on the keybpard. Sometimes my ignorance astounds me...
 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


As you can see I get excited when I try something on the computer and it works!  Have used the things for years at work but no opportunity to experiment with all this "fancy" stuff.  Klaas helped me so much with photos and photobucket etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


 It dont on Vista..  :evil:  :evil:  I tryed.. it dont do crap.  Hit the print screen on my keyboard.. nuttin.


well, then open a word document and right click and paste.  try it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:


Here you go Mishy.

http://tinyurl.com/37wzmx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 09:45:36 PM
IS it prt-scr or Shift/Prt-scr
I though prt-scr did a copy to your printer..
and the Shift/prt-scr put in the Windows clip board  like a cntl-c will
BTW  I think I got this to work

Monkeys Dancing when Natalee and all her family gets justice
(you have to click on the Dancing Monkey)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/46d7eb25.gif) (http://www.davespages.co.uk/aob/midi/cs.mid)

I'm open to other graphics & songs too.. but the web link & img tags work!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


 It dont on Vista..  :evil:  :evil:  I tryed.. it dont do crap.  Hit the print screen on my keyboard.. nuttin.


well, then open a word document and right click and paste.  try it!


 Will do Az  brb  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:45:52 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


 It dont on Vista..  :evil:  :evil:  I tryed.. it dont do crap.  Hit the print screen on my keyboard.. nuttin.


well, then open a word document and right click and paste.  try it!


Angie, that is assuming you have MS office. (word/excel and powerpoint software)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Thanks guys..I tried all that..If it did work I dont know where the file went..I am so used to seeing it appear on the desktop. Next time I see something that I need copied immediately I will switch over to the mac. I copied the damn URL but it reverted back to somethin else :(


******* - if you Shift/Print Screen, won't it be on your clipboard and then you may be able to paste it into a document page?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: justinsmama on June 17, 2007, 09:46:00 PM
Tib~ The school trip was a fiasco. But I did learn some things and had some things confirmed that I had thought all along. We had to leave the very day that we arrived. It broke his heart. I assured him that he was in no way to blame for the symptoms that prevented a successful trip.

As for the former, his stimulant is metabolized very quickly. Two hours and ADHD symptoms popped up. The latter was that when in the company of other children, with or without medication, he becomes very excitable and loses any self-control he may otherwise have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:


Hi Mishy - I bookmarked the page.  Will email it to you as I will blow the margins if I link here and then I will get written up in "The Book"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I did it! I did it!

Pressed PRINT SCREEN, then went to a new document in word and clicked paste - and voila a copy of my monitor screen.  

******* - try the word document and paste routine - the print must be in limbo somewhere  :shock:  :shock:


You are right it works!!!


 It dont on Vista..  :evil:  :evil:  I tryed.. it dont do crap.  Hit the print screen on my keyboard.. nuttin.


well, then open a word document and right click and paste.  try it!


 Will do Az  brb  :)


 :oops:  Ohh. I know how to copy and paste  LMAO
 Im dense..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:



http://www.daltonroberts.com/

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic l


Easy, I bet it is fabulous. I saw Celtic Women in the Birmingham Concert Hall last year and it was fantastic...very mystical and ethereal...those are some really talented ladies....I was mesmerized  :wink:  :lol:

Thats another reason why I love my apple :(
And *******, I just tried apple shift 3 on my mac and it did a screen capture PDF on my desktop of the forum. I had no idea it would do that! I'm psyched!!! Of course, the next time I need something like that, I'll have probably forgotten which keys to press  :oops: Sorry I can't help you with a screen capture on the PC...



Thats another reason why I love my apple :( Takes one second :( Anytime you need help just holler..I use to work for apple :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 09:49:38 PM
Thanks BT and Tibby!!

And Justins...I'm so sorry about the school trip  :cry: I hope  you can find a good solution for Justin...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Thanks guys..I tried all that..If it did work I dont know where the file went..I am so used to seeing it appear on the desktop. Next time I see something that I need copied immediately I will switch over to the mac. I copied the damn URL but it reverted back to somethin else :(


******* - if you Shift/Print Screen, won't it be on your clipboard and then you may be able to paste it into a document page?


I give up for the night on that..You check your mail?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 09:50:59 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic l


Easy, I bet it is fabulous. I saw Celtic Women in the Birmingham Concert Hall last year and it was fantastic...very mystical and ethereal...those are some really talented ladies....I was mesmerized  :wink:  :lol:

Thats another reason why I love my apple :(
And *******, I just tried apple shift 3 on my mac and it did a screen capture PDF on my desktop of the forum. I had no idea it would do that! I'm psyched!!! Of course, the next time I need something like that, I'll have probably forgotten which keys to press  :oops: Sorry I can't help you with a screen capture on the PC...



Thats another reason why I love my apple :( Takes one second :( Anytime you need help just holler..I use to work for apple :)


OMG, are you serious? Can you email me at ((edit)).com so I can email you if I get in a jam? TIA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Thanks BT and Tibby!!

And Justins...I'm so sorry about the school trip  :cry: I hope  you can find a good solution for Justin...



Well, the link I gave you takes you to his home page, not just the newspaper.


He likes to make jokes about the "Sand Mountain Boys" doing this and that which I have never found to be particularly amusing.  Some people do, I have heard.   :D


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mishy"
Thanks BT and Tibby!!

And Justins...I'm so sorry about the school trip  :cry: I hope  you can find a good solution for Justin...



Well, the link I gave you takes you to his home page, not just the newspaper.


He likes to make jokes about the "Sand Mountain Boys" doing this and that which I have never found to be particularly amusing.  Some people do, I have heard.   :D

Anna - I'm so glad you posted that. I read his articles in the paper, but I had never been to his web site.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 09:57:33 PM
Me too.. a Mac.. I use  "Grab" a free program.. maybe it has one for Windows. It lets me "grab" ie: get the screen showing or a window. Very helpful

But isn't the an "F" function like F3 or something that is in Windows that copies the screen?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sb on June 17, 2007, 09:58:13 PM
I have never been able to get this computer to copy-paste ANYTHING. I tried all the keyboard combos y'all mentioned and nothing. Now I was trying to use Wordpad and Notepad to copy into (I don't have Word installed) but I expected at least to have the Copy option available after hitting those keys, however it is grayed out.

OF, Little None is None's DAUGHTER!

(Unless she has a dog that can bake cookies, that is...  wink:)

Can someone remind me again what network that thing is on Wednesday night? I am 100% against psychics but I do want to see what info their research has come up with recently.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Call out to Little None
Or if someone can pass this along..
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/dd7905d7.gif)    :oops:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/d42ea623.gif)
Plese forgive this dumb OldFart  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/saveit/50d16bb7.jpg)


CALL OUT TO OLDFART YOU DID NOT MAKE A BOO BOO

WE WUB YOU AND THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mishy"
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:



http://www.daltonroberts.com/

.


Thanks for that link, Anna.  I have bookmarked it also to check out later.
I will need a bigger screen soon to fit in my bookmark list  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html


 I read it.. how sad !  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html

Obviously the child witnessed something.

"I said ... 'Where's Mommy?'" Porter said. "And he just said 'Mommy broke the table, and Mommy's in the rug.'"

The father of Jessie Marie Davis' toddler and unborn child is a Canton, Ohio, police officer, her sister said. He is also married to another woman.

THE FATHER DID IT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Spock on June 17, 2007, 10:02:36 PM
Hey guys been gone a week or so, anything new happening?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html

Obviously the child witnessed something.

"I said ... 'Where's Mommy?'" Porter said. "And he just said 'Mommy broke the table, and Mommy's in the rug.'"

The father of Jessie Marie Davis' toddler and unborn child is a Canton, Ohio, police officer, her sister said. He is also married to another woman.

THE FATHER DID IT.

Either the father or the wife


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Me too.. a Mac.. I use  "Grab" a free program.. maybe it has one for Windows. It lets me "grab" ie: get the screen showing or a window. Very helpful

But isn't the an "F" function like F3 or something that is in Windows that copies the screen?


I bet your right.. Getting a freeware program is a good idea..I have like 3 of them for the mac :) There has to be a easier way on the pc. I bet it is in the settings..somewhere.. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
AzSunnny that is a good one. I have never consulted one. There was a lady here who was pretty good, but I was afraid. Her name was Mrs. Red as she had fiery red hair when she was young, no sh*t.



it was NOT me....  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on June 17, 2007, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html

Obviously the child witnessed something.

"I said ... 'Where's Mommy?'" Porter said. "And he just said 'Mommy broke the table, and Mommy's in the rug.'"

The father of Jessie Marie Davis' toddler and unborn child is a Canton, Ohio, police officer, her sister said. He is also married to another woman.

THE FATHER DID IT.


That was my first thought - however.... she is not married to this man.  I believe he is married to someone else and they were divorcing... a little sketchy on details but when I heard the story I changed my thoughts and I now think the COPS' JEALOUS WIFE murdered her.

They also said the cop was cooperating fully with the investigation.

so another soap opera.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 10:05:55 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Another missing pregnant woman.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283592,00.html

Obviously the child witnessed something.

"I said ... 'Where's Mommy?'" Porter said. "And he just said 'Mommy broke the table, and Mommy's in the rug.'"

The father of Jessie Marie Davis' toddler and unborn child is a Canton, Ohio, police officer, her sister said. He is also married to another woman.

THE FATHER DID IT.


That was my first thought - however.... she is not married to this man.  I believe he is married to someone else and they were divorcing... a little sketchy on details but when I heard the story I changed my thoughts and I now think the COPS' JEALOUS WIFE murdered her.

They also said the cop was cooperating fully with the investigation.

so another soap opera.....

Makes me sick how someone could do this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mishy"
Thanks BT and Tibby!!

And Justins...I'm so sorry about the school trip  :cry: I hope  you can find a good solution for Justin...



Well, the link I gave you takes you to his home page, not just the newspaper.


He likes to make jokes about the "Sand Mountain Boys" doing this and that which I have never found to be particularly amusing.  Some people do, I have heard.   :D

Anna - I'm so glad you posted that. I read his articles in the paper, but I had never been to his web site.


.




Well, if he were going to be reading this, I would have to post that you haven't missed much, lol.  But since he isn't, he is a fine man and talented writer.  Would not want to admit that to him, however.

Just one of those situations where we love to rag/tease/argue with each other.  It's how we relate if that makes any sense.  I have neglected to contact him in years as there are just not enough hours in the day and old friends just seem to slip away these days.  He did have what I would call a drinking problem in his youth and guess that is when the teasing all started for me.  He wants to tease me but me not to tease him back, too.  Typical male I guess.

It's sad to think of all the interesting and wonderful people we leave along the path of our lives simply because we do not have the time to do otherwise.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on June 17, 2007, 10:07:00 PM
Yeah and talk about messing up a young kid for the rest of his life.. he obviously saw something... that is so sickening.  Lock em all up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sb on June 17, 2007, 10:07:43 PM
I think that child would have singled out the father IMMEDIATELY if he was involved. That's a bizarre story.

Spock, it's been kind of quiet. We had some excitememnt a couple of days ago over some bogus posts about closing the case, and about new searches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 10:07:51 PM
Quote from: "sb"
I have never been able to get this computer to copy-paste ANYTHING. I tried all the keyboard combos y'all mentioned and nothing. Now I was trying to use Wordpad and Notepad to copy into (I don't have Word installed) but I expected at least to have the Copy option available after hitting those keys, however it is grayed out.

OF, Little None is None's DAUGHTER!

(Unless she has a dog that can bake cookies, that is...  wink:)

Can someone remind me again what network that thing is on Wednesday night? I am 100% against psychics but I do want to see what info their research has come up with recently.

SB...
Thats what I was thinking (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/butbutbut.gif) When I read the post...
Where is CBB it replace the horse with me in this (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/14fd14d4.gif)

I'm Sorry (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/b320fb9b.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:08:23 PM
Folks another sweet little tool that costs about $35 is Snag-It which allows you to take scrolling screenshots, snag anything off a web page and save in multiple formats. I've used it for years a love it. it will even record short videos.

www.techsmith.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:09:35 PM
OF little none is right here, we're leaning holding each other up after 5 hours of yard work today  :lol:

she's not upset with you at ALL, now you stop that  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: "Anna"


Well, if he were going to be reading this, I would have to post that you haven't missed much, lol.  But since he isn't, he is a fine man and talented writer.  Would not want to admit that to him, however.

Just one of those situations where we love to rag/tease/argue with each other.  It's how we relate if that makes any sense.  I have neglected to contact him in years as there are just not enough hours in the day and old friends just seem to slip away these days.  He did have what I would call a drinking problem in his youth and guess that is when the teasing all started for me.  He wants to tease me but me not to tease him back, too.  Typical male I guess.

It's sad to think of all the interesting and wonderful people we leave along the path of our lives simply because we do not have the time to do otherwise.



I'm not familiar with his music, which I think is country and country is not my favorite.  :? However, I always enjoy what he writes.

It is sad how we have friends we sort of leave behind and keep meaning to get back in touch with. I have some of those as well.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


I hope when y'all are using AMAZON you are supporting SM.... and using the link from here....(couldn't resist)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 17, 2007, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Yeah and talk about messing up a young kid for the rest of his life.. he obviously saw something... that is so sickening.  Lock em all up.

How would a baby know to say mommy is in the rug.  Also there was bleach on the floor.  It is obviously someone who goes to the house.   I don't think it was a random act.  They wouldn't take the time to throw the bleach on the floor.  They would run like hell to get out of a house where they don't know who could be coming home at any minute.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Hey guys been gone a week or so, anything new happening?

HI Spock..
From what I remember.... Not much..
Court TV Wed. Night.  & Tim Millers search later this month


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Folks another sweet little tool that costs about $35 is Snag-It which allows you to take scrolling screenshots, snag anything off a web page and save in multiple formats. I've used it for years a love it. it will even record short videos.

www.techsmith.com



I have Screen Shot 8 by Broderbund but have never used it for anything other than "capturing" the dolls for my avatar.   :oops:

It works well for those.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF little none is right here, we're leaning holding each other up after 5 hours of yard work today  :lol:

she's not upset with you at ALL, now you stop that  :lol:

I would not have made the mistake (maybe) If she had said Hi gang this is little None & I have something for an OldFart.
Almost as bad as northern/southern terms.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Folks another sweet little tool that costs about $35 is Snag-It which allows you to take scrolling screenshots, snag anything off a web page and save in multiple formats. I've used it for years a love it. it will even record short videos.

www.techsmith.com



I have Screen Shot 8 by Broderbund but have never used it for anything other than "capturing" the dolls for my avatar.   :oops:

It works well for those.

.


Thx..Ill look that up :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on June 17, 2007, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Yeah and talk about messing up a young kid for the rest of his life.. he obviously saw something... that is so sickening.  Lock em all up.

How would a baby know to say mommy is in the rug.  Also there was bleach on the floor.  It is obviously someone who goes to the house.   I don't think it was a random act.  They wouldn't take the time to throw the bleach on the floor.  They would run like hell to get out of a house where they don't know who could be coming home at any minute.  JMO.


Definitely someone they know.  When they said the mattress was crooked on the bed and the comforter was gone.. and the bleach... not looking good for this gal.  Reminds me of Lacy Peterson.  

Another case - young pregnant gal in Omaha was disappeared and her boyfriend's bed had a ton of her blood on it - they never found her body.  NO BODY.   HE WAS FOUND GUILTY and  GIVEN LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.  They got it right this time anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:16:33 PM
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yeah, some of us had some pretty pointed questions for him this afternoon.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Yeah and talk about messing up a young kid for the rest of his life.. he obviously saw something... that is so sickening.  Lock em all up.

How would a baby know to say mommy is in the rug.  Also there was bleach on the floor.  It is obviously someone who goes to the house.   I don't think it was a random act.  They wouldn't take the time to throw the bleach on the floor.  They would run like hell to get out of a house where they don't know who could be coming home at any minute.  JMO.


I completely agree with you.... my money is on the ex-wife... it's not a random act, and that poor child did see something... that is so sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 10:18:39 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Just Very Disturbed Sicko   :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Frijole on June 17, 2007, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yeah, some of us had some pretty pointed questions for him this afternoon.  :lol:  :lol:


and I had NOTHING to do with it!  For real.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yeah, some of us had some pretty pointed questions for him this afternoon.  :lol:  :lol:


and I had NOTHING to do with it!  For real.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


I hope when y'all are using AMAZON you are supporting SM.... and using the link from here....(couldn't resist)


mrs. red ... could you please expand.  How can Amazon be linked in such a way that it is support SM?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


if you go to page 15 or so you will see that he talked with us :wink:  right as he finished posting at FOB... it's funny he has perfect english now.... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 17, 2007, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Hey guys been gone a week or so, anything new happening?

Hello. There were some new excerpts from Joran's book.
Bout 1/2 way down in the important case docs.
We did discsuss something that is in the book where Jan Van Der S.
tells Joran that he could make sure that J serves time in a mental hospital
if he would just tell the truth.
And Easy's Blog, click on any of Easy's posts the www thingie has some info about Carla Baron and the Court TV show. I know you are a logical analytical person, but you migth find it interesting regardless.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


I hope when y'all are using AMAZON you are supporting SM.... and using the link from here....(couldn't resist)


mrs. red ... could you please expand.  How can Amazon be linked in such a way that it is support SM?

Thanks

Janet


IF you use the link at the end of this page or the one on the front page it helps support the site...Amazon has tracking for where the stuff is sold, and that does in turn support the site.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sb on June 17, 2007, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"


did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I must be losing it... it took me a good 5 minutes to figure out that THAT was a joke LOL. "He"came on here and I was beginning to wonder IF... I said "Surely Red and Klaas would NEVER let that happen!"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZLady on June 17, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 10:23:39 PM
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Yeah and talk about messing up a young kid for the rest of his life.. he obviously saw something... that is so sickening.  Lock em all up.

How would a baby know to say mommy is in the rug.  Also there was bleach on the floor.  It is obviously someone who goes to the house.   I don't think it was a random act.  They wouldn't take the time to throw the bleach on the floor.  They would run like hell to get out of a house where they don't know who could be coming home at any minute.  JMO.


Definitely someone they know.  When they said the mattress was crooked on the bed and the comforter was gone.. and the bleach... not looking good for this gal.  Reminds me of Lacy Peterson.  

Another case - young pregnant gal in Omaha was disappeared and her boyfriend's bed had a ton of her blood on it - they never found her body.  NO BODY.   HE WAS FOUND GUILTY and  GIVEN LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.  They got it right this time anyway.



I hope they have a top knotch child psychologist working with this child right now.  Obviously, the child saw plenty.  Needs help, not only to tell what happened but to deal with it as well.

Yes, I think some think an abortion can be extended to include the mother should she make the "wrong choice" as homicide is the leading cause of death in pregnant women in this country other than related to their pregnancy medically according to our Dept of Justice files.  It has become dangerous to be pregnant, something I never thought I would like to see the day that happened.  Used to be people would spare a pregnant woman many things and today they become a target of some sick minds.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2007, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Quote from: "nonesuche"


did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I must be losing it... it took me a good 5 minutes to figure out that THAT was a joke LOL. "He"came on here and I was beginning to wonder IF... I said "Surely Red and Klaas would NEVER let that happen!"

Yes, it was a joke and Red would never approve someone with the nickname JVDS.  It was intended to bring home the fact that anyone can choose a nickname that sounds like Joran or one of the suspects.  People can pretend to be anyone on the internet.  

It all started because someone with the nickname Joran posted at FOB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
OT – I’ve always loved the Celtic Woman concerts on PBS, so a few weeks ago Amazon, or one of them were selling the DVD’s at a discount and I bought them.  Tonight I just got around to listening to one of them.  WOW!  That is a whole new experience in a DVD player with the 5:1 surround and the sub-woofer pounding out the beat of those bass drums.  The whole room is breathing those sounds in and out!

Just had to share. lol


I hope when y'all are using AMAZON you are supporting SM.... and using the link from here....(couldn't resist)


mrs. red ... could you please expand.  How can Amazon be linked in such a way that it is support SM?

Thanks

Janet


IF you use the link at the end of this page or the one on the front page it helps support the site...Amazon has tracking for where the stuff is sold, and that does in turn support the site.


That is good to know.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?



he was answering a question or two on page 15 or so... in perfect English .... he decided to come on here once he started posting at FOB... in perfect English... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 17, 2007, 10:26:21 PM
Thanks Klaas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


AZLady
You must have had a heck of party to grill 225 lbs of fish :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:26:49 PM
Tamikosmom... you are welcome... I use it all the time!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZLady on June 17, 2007, 10:32:03 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


AZLady
You must have had a heck of party to grill 225 lbs of fish :lol:


OF, we only grilled about 5 pounds of the salmon and still have 220 pounds of it in the freezer.  I think we'll be grilling a lot of fish in the next year!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:38:03 PM
there is a reason I keep stating that Joran answered in perfect English....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:38:53 PM
Mrs I just ordered some vanilla from madagascar from the link  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


AZLady
You must have had a heck of party to grill 225 lbs of fish :lol:


OF, we only grilled about 5 pounds of the salmon and still have 220 pounds of it in the freezer.  I think we'll be grilling a lot of fish in the next year!   :lol:


My dad is 82, but is past his fishing days, as he is now almost totally deaf and blind. One thing he still enjoys, though, is a visit from my dogs. They took grandpa a Father's Day card today, and a good time was had by all.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 17, 2007, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


If you have any Salmon you would like to sell...call me!!! I lived for 25 years in Seattle and I miss my fish like crazy!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
Hi None,
I still haven't had a reply from the Robert Gordon family about doing an article on their factory and wares yet.  They seem to be slow?  Or maybe more artistic than business like.  Will wait a couple more days and then send them a reminder, as they produce much nicer pottery than any of the other long time potters here. Mostly plain utility ware.
Also BT was going to send you my email.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 10:44:11 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?



he was answering a question or two on page 15 or so... in perfect English .... he decided to come on here once he started posting at FOB... in perfect English... :wink:


He anwered two of my questions :) He was proud of fooling greta :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Mrs I just ordered some vanilla from madagascar from the link  :lol:


excellent... and that is THE vanilla! OF course you know about that better than me....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 17, 2007, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi None,
I still haven't had a reply from the Robert Gordon family about doing an article on their factory and wares yet.  They seem to be slow?  Or maybe more artistic than business like.  Will wait a couple more days and then send them a reminder, as they produce much nicer pottery than any of the other long time potters here. Mostly plain utility ware.
Also BT was going to send you my email.


she did Tib and I am behind  :oops: I am sorry. we had so much work this week but I will send you an email in the morning with the specifics they sent to me, ok? My arms ache so badly tonight, I think I trimmed every hedge surrounding the house today and I am heading to the shower and crawl into bed.

Rest well all !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?



he was answering a question or two on page 15 or so... in perfect English .... he decided to come on here once he started posting at FOB... in perfect English... :wink:


He anwered two of my questions :) He was proud of fooling greta :wink:


he wanted to be sure we knew that greta was fooled....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?



he was answering a question or two on page 15 or so... in perfect English .... he decided to come on here once he started posting at FOB... in perfect English... :wink:


He anwered two of my questions :) He was proud of fooling greta :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  Greta gets sucked in easily  :cat:  :cat:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "mishy"
Shout out to Tibby and/or BT:

Do either of you have the link to that archive site of that guy who BT quoted that Anna knows? I copied the link and have now deleted it :oops:



http://www.daltonroberts.com/

.


Thanks Anna! I thanked BT earlier, but I meant to thank you  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
OF next time I'll make sure she does that so you know, ok?  :wink:

did y'all notice that the newest registered user is JVDS???

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Yeah, some of us had some pretty pointed questions for him this afternoon.  :lol:  :lol:


and I had NOTHING to do with it!  For real.

 BEAN  ROFLMAO~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am behind.. Dang people at work asked me to make my pasta salad.  :roll:  So I just finally finished up with it. .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi None,
I still haven't had a reply from the Robert Gordon family about doing an article on their factory and wares yet.  They seem to be slow?  Or maybe more artistic than business like.  Will wait a couple more days and then send them a reminder, as they produce much nicer pottery than any of the other long time potters here. Mostly plain utility ware.
Also BT was going to send you my email.


she did Tib and I am behind  :oops: I am sorry. we had so much work this week but I will send you an email in the morning with the specifics they sent to me, ok? My arms ache so badly tonight, I think I trimmed every hedge surrounding the house today and I am heading to the shower and crawl into bed.

Rest well all !


No worries, None.  I know you are a busy Monkey.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZLady on June 17, 2007, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi all.  Did everyone have a wonderful Father's Day?  I know I did.  My Dad is 81 and fishing is his absolute favorite thing to do in the world. So, Daddy went fishing last week with his two sons-in-law (my hubby and my sister's hubby).  They went to Queen Charlotte Lodge in Canada and fished their little hearts out for four straight days.  Between the three of them, they brought back 225 pounds of salmon and halibut!!  So, we had a salmon grill today, and it was delicious.  We ate salmon, looked at their pictures and floated a bit in the pool, too.  Happy Father's Day to all the Dad's at SM.


If you have any Salmon you would like to sell...call me!!! I lived for 25 years in Seattle and I miss my fish like crazy!!!


Fresh fish is wonderful, isn't it?  Hubby has promised salmon to all his co-workers, and I'm sure we'll finish off the rest.  Sowwy.   :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
there is a reason I keep stating that Joran answered in perfect English....




LOL
 Evening Mrs RED  and others I missed. Been busy here.. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZLady on June 17, 2007, 10:51:55 PM
What's the reference to Court TV this week?  Is something going to be on that I need to watch?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
there is a reason I keep stating that Joran answered in perfect English....




LOL
 Evening Mrs RED  and others I missed. Been busy here.. :evil:



hey ANG... you are sounding busy...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 10:52:40 PM
O/T

Tib - Hubby says we can go to Glastonbury in October.  Lots of Arthur and Guinevere connections there. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2007, 10:53:44 PM
I left off here about 3:30pm (CST) --- it looks like s... hit the fan about a "post" from Joran. ... could I get a brief synopsis?? (ducks and covers  :shock: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
there is a reason I keep stating that Joran answered in perfect English....




LOL
 Evening Mrs RED  and others I missed. Been busy here.. :evil:


I think he was insulted by a comment about him resembling frankenstein...He left after that :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi All!

Is the JVDS for real or is some pulling our leg?



he was answering a question or two on page 15 or so... in perfect English .... he decided to come on here once he started posting at FOB... in perfect English... :wink:


He anwered two of my questions :) He was proud of fooling greta :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  Greta gets sucked in easily  :cat:  :cat:


I believe that the following Greta quote implies that prior to the Joran interview there was a time when Greta definitely held a different position ... she upheld Natalee's family 100%. I wonder what changed. I suspect that Greta was either intimidated or compensated. Nevertheless ... those with an Aruban agenda got to her.

Janet

Greta Van Susteren
The O'Reilly Factor
December 7, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN: I don’t think I’m buying it. I think right now, there are a lot of tempers flaring. People are pointing fingers both directions.

I must admit that I find it rather weak on the part of the police department in Aruba to say that, look, police are supposed to take a lot of emotion from families in the course of investigations because families are very emotional.

And the sort of the whole idea that the — Natalee’s family pressured them into the arrest of Deepak, Satish and Joran, how do they explain the earlier arrests of the two blacks? Who pressured them into that? Frankly, you know, I’m a little bit surprised that the police force is making this allegation.

And you know, look. I mean, I don’t even think — I think that it’s not fruitful on the part of the police to be pointing fingers at this point


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
I left off here about 3:30pm (CST) --- it looks like s... hit the fan about a "post" from Joran. ... could I get a brief synopsis?? (ducks and covers  :shock: )


well Wreck... Joran was posting on FOB with such clarity and perfect English that we decided that perhaps he would come in here...  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2007, 11:04:31 PM
Well ... I am going to call it a day.  After a quick game of scrabble with hubby ... I will climb upon ducky's back and take a flight to a place called la la land.

Good Night Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 17, 2007, 11:05:38 PM
Night Tamikosmom. I'm off to bed as well. Night monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 11:06:05 PM
nite Janet.... I am not far behind... Monday comes way too early! :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 11:07:12 PM
nite bt....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "wreck"
I left off here about 3:30pm (CST) --- it looks like s... hit the fan about a "post" from Joran. ... could I get a brief synopsis?? (ducks and covers  :shock: )


well Wreck... Joran was posting on FOB with such clarity and perfect English that we decided that perhaps he would come in here...  :wink:  :wink:


Mrs Red..It was brilliant :wink: I love this place!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 11:13:40 PM
*******... you are so all over it!!!  I didn't know about the IP...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
O/T

Tib - Hubby says we can go to Glastonbury in October.  Lots of Arthur and Guinevere connections there. :D


I am SO envious  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:14:53 PM
:D  :D Just good timing is all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 11:16:06 PM
Sweet Dreams to those of yah going to bed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 17, 2007, 11:22:47 PM
G'nite Monkeys
This Song by Kelly Clarkson is what keeps motivated  (besides all of the Monkeys)

Because of You... (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/natalee_01.jpg) (http://www.hamienet.com/24893_Because-of-You.mid)
 (you need  to Click on Natalee)

Put your own words to the music.
{{ Hugs to All }}

SeeYaaByeee
OldF


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mrs. red on June 17, 2007, 11:23:44 PM
nite y'all... gotta get up early... :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 11:24:02 PM
*******,

One more thing to add to my earlier post concerning the cameraman and reporter found hanged--they were supposedly covering auto racing in Curacao.

Remember there was also a judgment in THIS COUNTRY against the government of Aruba by some racer for their failure to provide a race track as promised.

This was very interesting to me as the thought of a class action suit against the government or the AHATA for lying about the safety on the island did enter my mind as something some might want to look into.  By some, I mean law firms that specialize in that sort of thing, not individuals.  But if all else fails, there is the possibility of a suit of some kind that can be filed in this country evidently as there actually was that judgment awarded.  And I think to make him even more unpopular with the current government, Jossy was in some manner connected to the race car driver who won the judgments.

Maybe this is another question we should ask Jossy, what that was all about.

That is a huge amount of money is all I am saying in regard to the deaths of those covering the same sport on another island.  This law suit and the big fight at the bar are two oddities loosely associated with auto racing and those two islands.  Just to store away in your mind in case something comes up later.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 17, 2007, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sweet Dreams to those of yah going to bed.


Looks like just us Angie?

My DH loves pasta salad.  Can you put the recipe in the recipe thread in the lounge, please?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2007, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "wreck"
I left off here about 3:30pm (CST) --- it looks like s... hit the fan about a "post" from Joran. ... could I get a brief synopsis?? (ducks and covers  :shock: )


well Wreck... Joran was posting on FOB with such clarity and perfect English that we decided that perhaps he would come in here...  :wink:  :wink:


Mrs Red..It was brilliant..You guys went all out even with the Arnhem IP :wink: I love this place!!


'k -- I love this place too!! I still think that all along, that there are only 7-8 people total that actually support "Joran and company." These 7-8 people are just crazy enough to keep the charade going. It is just IMPOSSIBLE to look at this case from the beginning and still blindly support J2K&P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 17, 2007, 11:29:10 PM
Forgot to say the amount awarded in the judgment to the race car driver was something like $19 million.  Large amount and against the government of Aruba.  Award made in this country.  I wonder if the person who got it can make a lien against their bank accounts in this country or how they would actually collect from a foreign government like that.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2007, 11:32:43 PM
:lol: I saw the Joran/JVDS posts earlier and all I thought was "If FOB gets a Joran, WE should have a Joran."  

Politics in Aruba:  

A big trial starts Tuesday in Chi-town starring 5 of the Chicago Outfit's old time big boys, including Joey "the Clown" Lombardo.  So Guido's former boss might be movin on up.  One of the Calabrese's turned on them, including his brother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:35:37 PM
Hi Anna,

I never knew about a law suit and I agree this needs to be looked at closer. That is all real interesting and I would also like to hear what Jossy says about that. I think I read also somewhere about him being involved in racing in curacao.

We never hear what pitbulls family or really any victims have to say in Aruba. What did the reporters family and news station have to say about all of this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Forgot to say the amount awarded in the judgment to the race car driver was something like $19 million.  Large amount and against the government of Aruba.  Award made in this country.  I wonder if the person who got it can make a lien against their bank accounts in this country or how they would actually collect from a foreign government like that.

.


Interesting..Thats a big settlement!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 17, 2007, 11:43:18 PM
Must be gonna rain here.. cause my IE and AOL is both messed up and having troubles reading or posting. Taking forever.   :roll:
  Suppose to have isolated storms here tonight..  so I guess it must be storming or raining somewhere ..this only happens when the weather is crappy. So.. if I get bumped off or cant post.. have a good night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
:lol: I saw the Joran/JVDS posts earlier and all I thought was "If FOB gets a Joran, WE should have a Joran."  

Politics in Aruba:  

A big trial starts Tuesday in Chi-town starring 5 of the Chicago Outfit's old time big boys, including Joey "the Clown" Lombardo.  So Guido's former boss might be movin on up.  One of the Calabrese's turned on them, including his brother.


I saw at FOB someone wanted to be Paulus..Next guy said who's gonna be Guido :twisted:

Ahh Old School Chicago Mob..Posner is a old timer too..He must be high up the ladder..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2007, 11:47:12 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sweet Dreams to those of yah going to bed.


Looks like just us Angie?

My DH loves pasta salad.  Can you put the recipe in the recipe thread in the lounge, please?


Tibro, I gave a shout out to Australia on the FP.  I used it as an example of a place started by criminals that ended up being a great country.  

My pasta salad is pasta of choice, thrown together with veggies of choice, mixed with Italian dressing or viniagrette of choice, served with freshly shaved Parmesan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 11:47:40 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "wreck"
I left off here about 3:30pm (CST) --- it looks like s... hit the fan about a "post" from Joran. ... could I get a brief synopsis?? (ducks and covers  :shock: )


well Wreck... Joran was posting on FOB with such clarity and perfect English that we decided that perhaps he would come in here...  :wink:  :wink:


Mrs Red..It was brilliant..You guys went all out even with the Arnhem IP :wink: I love this place!!


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2007, 11:47:56 PM
Colson, Hicks, Eidson - Coral Gables, Florida

In 2002, the firm obtained a $19 million judgment in federal court in Miami against the Government of Aruba on behalf of racecar promoter Ralph Sanchez in connection with the failed efforts to build a racetrack in Aruba.

http://www.colsonhickseidson.com/CM/InTheNews/InTheNews65.asp


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2007, 11:49:58 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
:lol: I saw the Joran/JVDS posts earlier and all I thought was "If FOB gets a Joran, WE should have a Joran."  

Politics in Aruba:  

A big trial starts Tuesday in Chi-town starring 5 of the Chicago Outfit's old time big boys, including Joey "the Clown" Lombardo.  So Guido's former boss might be movin on up.  One of the Calabrese's turned on them, including his brother.


I saw at FOB someone wanted to be Paulus..Next guy said who's gonna be Guido :twisted:

Ahh Old School Chicago Mob..Posner is a old timer too..He must be high up the ladder..


Yea, but he's not on the "list".  They don't even know how many defendants there will be since most of them pled guilty.  There are 4 or 5 expected to go to trial.  They're calling it the Family Secrets Trial because of Calabrese turning State's evidence.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2007, 11:52:13 PM
Visit Aruba Newsletter
News Briefs for September 1-30, 1999


Proposed Racetrack to bring closed circuit racing to Aruba

Plans are under way to construct a "super modern" racetrack at Seroe Colorado, on the Aruba’s picturesque southern tip. At a press conference held recently, the proposed plan was unveiled as a project that could positively enhance the economic development of Aruba in general and the area of San Nicolas in particular. With financial backing provided jointly through the Government of Aruba – represented at the press conference by Minister of Sports Junior Croes and Glenbert Croes – and the private sector – represented by Mr. Carlo Mansur of the Aruba Motorsports Foundation – Aruba plans to move full speed ahead in creating a venue which would draw major race events, along with thousands of race enthusiasts.

It was Mr. Mansur who had requested the help of Ralph Sanchez in creating for Aruba a racetrack similar to the one found in Homestead Miami, which currently hosts a Grand Prix event. According to Mansur, Aruba will present the world of motorsports, a racetrack that will be considered one of the best in the world, and certainly one of the best in the Caribbean and South American region.

Also present at the press conference was Brazil’s ex-Formula One Champion Emerson Fittipaldi, a two-time winner of both F1 events and the Indianapolis 500, who presented a signed racing helmet to Prime Minister Henny Eman.

The racetrack proposal is not free from controversy. In her popular Bati Bleki blurb, columnist Rona Coster blasted the project as a waste of 21 million dollars - the estimated cost for the proposed racetrack and facilities that are projected to be completed in 2000. Furthermore other people have voiced concerns over the possible negative impact on the environment of such a track.

Nonetheless, no time is being wasted before introducing the idea to the international sports media. Around 70 to 100 media reps from the U.S., South America and possibly Eurosport from Europe, will be in Aruba between September 14 and 16 for a presentation of the project.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter28.html#racetrack


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: LilPuma
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
:
Ahh Old School Chicago Mob..Posner is a old timer too..He must be high up the ladder..


Yea, but he's not on the "list".  They don't even know how many defendants there will be since most of them pled guilty.  There are 4 or 5 expected to go to trial.  They're calling it the Family Secrets Trial because of Calabrese turning State's evidence.


Hi Pita :) ..That is a nice lil payout the Aruban Govt has to make. :wink:

Thats a major shake down in chicago!! Too bad we cant see something like that in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: mishy on June 17, 2007, 11:53:29 PM
Goodnight  monkeys. Great work this weekend...Been working and lurking the entire time, but now I must get ready for the new week and go to bed...Take it easy, everybody. And prayers for all!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2007, 11:58:08 PM
Night Mishy..

Is this the same Pita from BFN?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2007, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Night Mishy..

Is this the same Pita from BFN?


Yes, it's me!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 12:01:46 AM
Quote from: "Pita"
Quote from: "*******"
Night Mishy..

Is this the same Pita from BFN?


Yes, it's me!  :)


LOL!! Right on!! Good to see you over here :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Pita on June 18, 2007, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Pita"
Quote from: "*******"
Night Mishy..

Is this the same Pita from BFN?


Yes, it's me!  :)


LOL!! Right on!! Good to see you over here :D


Thank you, *******.

Have a good night all!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: "Pita"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Pita"
Quote from: "*******"
Night Mishy..

Is this the same Pita from BFN?


Yes, it's me!  :)


LOL!! Right on!! Good to see you over here :D


Thank you, *******.

Have a good night all!!


Night 8)

Keep the faith..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sweet Dreams to those of yah going to bed.


Looks like just us Angie?

My DH loves pasta salad.  Can you put the recipe in the recipe thread in the lounge, please?


Tibro, I gave a shout out to Australia on the FP.  I used it as an example of a place started by criminals that ended up being a great country.  

My pasta salad is pasta of choice, thrown together with veggies of choice, mixed with Italian dressing or viniagrette of choice, served with freshly shaved Parmesan.


That sounds good LilPuma.  I usually use a creamy mayonnaise as he likes it but will try the viniagrette next time.  Lots of veggies too.  I have to be sneaky with veggies as he prefers not to eat many.

BTW some would say we are still run by criminals (J/K)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
:
Ahh Old School Chicago Mob..Posner is a old timer too..He must be high up the ladder..


Yea, but he's not on the "list".  They don't even know how many defendants there will be since most of them pled guilty.  There are 4 or 5 expected to go to trial.  They're calling it the Family Secrets Trial because of Calabrese turning State's evidence.


Hi Pita :) ..That is a nice lil payout the Aruban Govt has to make. :wink:

Thats a major shake down in chicago!! Too bad we cant see something like that in Aruba.


I hope that's what the Dutch are working on.  Not putting any money on it, but I can hope.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Found this at Scrux - posted by a new member who claims to be from the NL - it's a very detailed and thought out synopsis of what could have happened:

FierlJepper
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 1
Location: Netherlands
 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: A "Satish & Joran colluded, Deepak didn't know"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Hi,

Just like many here, I’m intrigued by the Holloway case. I recently watched the interview with Joran on the Jensen show last Friday June 8th. I then decided to start reading more about this case and almost drowned in the publicly available factual and speculative data.

For me it’s very obvious that Joran knows more, not only because he has changed his story so often, but also due to his body language during the interviews, esp. when the questions like “so, what happened at the beach” are posed to him. In the Jensen show he came across to me as a pathological liar.

I’ve now read the mind-boggling, however also sometimes conflicting, material from many different sites and developed a (speculative) hypothesis, that however does match the available evidence, provides an explanation for the persisting lies of the three boys and also is in-line with the puzzling conversation between the three suspects that was secretly recorded in a the police car.

My hypothesis in a nutshell and its rationales:

1. Joran apparently has a fantasy around backseat car-sex and/or group (MMF) sex. Data points for this are:
* He visited the porn-site “backseatbangers” after he returned home in the morning May 30th (he was using the “van der Sloot”-computer. I assume they ran XP and had made log-in accounts for each family member. I suspect therefore that Joran had bookmarked this site under favorites (this can be verified, if they still have the hard disk image file).
* His previous involvement with a girl named Karen. Joran had sex with Karen in his apartment. This was in the presence of a guy named Chato who together with Joran proposed group sex. Karen refused and Chato left the room (story has been verified).

2. Since Joran is “not against” group sex and he doesn’t truly fancy Natalee (apparently he was more interested in her girlfriend) and also given the state of the sexual interactions on the backseat that occurred during their ride to the lighthouse, he perceives Natalee as “willing”. Joran then thinks of realizing his fantasy and develops the idea to “share” her with Satish (Deepak is too decent and wouldn’t bite). However, there is not a single moment when Joran and Satish are alone to test Satish buy-in or to collude with him to get Deepak out of the way. Except for one crucial moment and that is when Deepak leaves the car to relief himself at the parking lot near the lighthouse. Although Deepak has stated that everybody is awake, this is the reason why neither Joran nor Satish have ever mentioned this in their statements. For them this is an important event and also the reason why Joran has stated they didn’t go to the lighthouse at all (although he did so in his first statement). He very well knows that this is a crucial piece of information and he hoped that Satish would join him in that lie. However he forgot that Satish had to follow Deepak’s story, who does tell the truth. When Deepak left the car, Joran and Satish probably agreed in Dutch or Papiamento (which Natalee couldn’t understand) that Satish would immediately return to the beach (“come to the Fishermen’s huts”) after he has arrived home with Deepak.

3. When they approach the Marriott Hotel. Joran is the one who suddenly tells Deepak to turn right just before the Marriott and to drop him and Natalee off at the beach. They got out and the boys drove off. The fact that Joran took off his shoes when they walked to the beach and waded in the sea, sounds logically to me. However, Joran also needed to convince Natalee to walk north for his planned encounter with Satish near the Fishermen’s huts. Leaving both their shoes at the beach is of course making Natalee less suspicious. They then walk north but Natalee starts to protest more and more and wants to just sit at the beach. Joran has made several statements that he actually carried Natalee for a while. Again this supports the story that he needed to get her to the fishermen’s hut. I postulate that Joran was later indeed picked up by Satish and also dropped off at his house, so he couldn’t have gone back for his shoes (which I assume were taken from the beach by the tide and then disappeared). Joran consistently claims that he didn’t have sex with her on the beach, since he didn’t have a condom with him. I find this hard to believe for a guy like him (he repeated this story in the Jensen show and also suddenly stated that she had given him a bj). I actually infer that he was consciously holding of intercourse with Natalee since he wanted to wait for Satish to return for some MMF group sex. Satish indeed returned to the beach around 2:15 (15 to 20 minute drive from the Kalpoe home to the Palm beach area). Joran suddenly heard the car engine of Satish approaching and then suddenly realizes himself that he hadn’t made a phone call yet with a request for a pick up. This could of course make Natalee very suspicious. That’s why he uses the excuse that he has to make a call near the Fishermen’s huts “since it’s too windy on the beach”. In reality he meets Satish there and tells him to wait a short while before they pick up Natalee. Joran then also realizes that Deepak could be waiting for him to pick him up and decides to call him (at 2:26) to tell him not to bother and that he’s walking home. After that call he returns to Natalee and they both walk back to the car and get in (Joran, Satish in the front and Natalee “already” in the back seat). I read a statement that Joran said “we” went into the car. They drive off in the direction of the quiet and unpopulated area near the Racquet club (1-2min drive).

4. The “gardener” witness then did indeed see Deepak’s car around 2:30 on that dirt road near the Racquet club with Joran and Satish in the front seats and Natalee lying in the backseat. The gardeners claims to have seen three people, however describes and recognizes only the two in the front. He could see their faces in his headlights and also reports that one of them immediately covers his face with his hands and the man in the driver seat leaned backwards to avoid being recognized.

5. Somewhere between 2:30 and 2:45, Joran and Satish have had group sex with Natalee in the backseat of Deepak’s car near the Racquet club area between 2:30 and 2:45.They accidentally (unplanned) killed Natalee due to a lethal combination of dehydration and abundant alcohol usage. They panicked and instead of getting help they disposed of her body. Satish then dropped of Joran at or near his house (03:13) and drove home. They didn’t have much time to hide the body (approx. 20-25 minutes) and I postulate that the must have dispose it somewhere between the area of the Racquet club and Joran’s house.

6. Satish doesn’t have an alibi. Deepak could prove that he was on MSN at 2AM but Satish claims to have gone to sleep immediately after they arrived home around 1:50AM. However, both Deepak, his mother and Satish have made a statement that Satish overslept and missed school the next morning. He should have woken up around 10AM, which should have left him with a sufficient 8 hours of sleep (esp. at that age). Apparently he was very tired which could be an indication that he didn’t sleep that long at all. Also, the first thing Satish asks his brother Deepak when they’re both awake, is whether Joran has gotten home the night before (consistent data in both D and S statements). I’m surprised by this amazing degree of empathy for Joran.

7. Deepak is very protective of his brother Satish, which is one of the reasons why he joins Joran in the first lie about dropping off Natalee at the Holiday Inn. I therefore postulate that Deepak knows that Satish had gone out for a drive after they return, but is unaware of what really happened and persists in this lie not to induce more troubles for his brother (Deepak’s car makes quite some noise and I therefore don’t believe that Satish managed to sneak out silently with such a car). The brothers have never changed there story after the first lie, although ironically enough Joran fourth story about being picked up by Satish is in my hypothesis actually true…).

8. At the moment of the first MSN conversation 03:25.04, I postulate that Deepak is absolutely unaware of anything bad happening that evening. In particular when I read the content of the MSN dialogue between Joran and Deepak, which is incorrectly interpreted as a “conversation”. There isn’t actually a conversation at all. Deepak sees that Joran comes on-line (i.e. he signs on to MSN) which triggers him to write Joran the subsequent messages “Are you there”, “?”, “Anyway, glad to hear you’re home. Speak to you tomorrow. I’m going to sleep”, “Take care”. Then 8 minutes pass before Joran sends Deepak a reply (2 messages), but there is no response from Deepak. The content of Deepak’s messages makes me believe that he’s totally unaware of Joran’s nor Satish “evil” activities that night and most certainly hasn’t dropped of Joran at his house himself. However, since Deepak doesn’t answer anymore to Joran I suspect that Deepak heard Satish return and they have a conversation outside.

9. Now, why would Joran lie about passing his house on their way to the lighthouse? I postulate that is because he knew that Satish had dropped him off in Deepak’s car around 3:13 and wanted to provide both of them with an alibi in case the car was seen there. Deepak unfortunately tells the truth about the route to the lighthouse and Satish needs to join him in that story (since Deepak doesn’t know where Satish has gone that night).

10. Why does Deepak say that he logged off at 3AM, while there is evidence that he encountered in a MSN “conversation” with Joran at 03:25 ? I actually can't think of any good reason. This could be an error in the data reports.

11. The next day Joran played tennis at the Racquet club. He walked back from there to the Wyndham casino. He probably walked to the beach (via the dirt road), passed the fisherman’s hut and looked for his shoes.

12. Now back to the eavesdropped police car conversation between Deepak, Satish and Joran. It’s predominantly a conversation (fight) between Deepak and Joran about the unexpected side-effects that were induced by their various statements and mutual accusations (Freddy got arrested, Joran’s father got involved, the “choller” (drug dealer) incident, the fact that Satish has hit a girl with the car), however there’s not much about the case itself, except for the following lines:

* Joran very calmly to Deepak “you know what happened to the girl, if you don’t know then nothing happened to her”. IMO this reflects the fact that Joran is not sure whether Satish has told Deepak what really happened that night. It’s a provocative question to “test the waters”. In other words: “if Satish has told you what happened, then you know the terrible facts about what we did to her, if he hasn’t told you, then “why make any inferences about her”.

* Satish to Joran “About us, about us. They can find prove, but not about you”.
* Satish to Joran “With lies there is no proof”
IMO this means that the Kalpoe brothers can show some evidence that they are not guilty. Unfortunately this is only true for Deepak (on MSN at 2AM), but not for Satish (asleep, i.e. no alibi)

* Joran to the brothers “If they’ll find the girl then they will see the shit”. IMO this means he threatens Satish that if the body of Natalee is found, there will be evidence that leading towards Satish.

* Deepak to Joran “They’re going to give you 15 years if they find that girl”. IMO this means that Deepak is truly convinced that Joran had done something to Natalee at the beach, however he is still doesn’t suspect Satish was involved as well.

Here’s my timeline:
·01:00 CnC bar closes
·01:15 Joran, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe reconvene and leave Deepak’s car
·01:30 temporarily halted the car at the intersection next to the bus terminal (meet other students)
·01:40 Drop off Natalee north of Mariott
·02:00 Deepak logs on computer, Satish leaves in the car.
·02:15 Joran has managed to talk/carry Natalee to Fishermen’s hut and hears Satish car coming.
·02:17 Joran meets Satish and wait few minutes
·02:26 Joran calls Deepak from the huts and says he’ll walk home (and is near the McDonalds)
·02:30 Gardener sees Deepak’s car on dirt road near Racquet club.
·02:30-02:45 They have sex with Natalee in backseat and she accidentally dies.
·02:45-03:10 They get rid of the body and Joran is dropped off near his house by Satish
·02:46 Deepak sends sms from his computer (remember he didn’t have any call minutes on his cell phone left!!!) to Joran’s phone “Wait till you get home, miscall me”
·03:13 Joran is near or at his house. He answers the text message from Deepak directly to his cell phone: “Hey thanks Swa, sleep tight, I’m home. Are you on-line? I will see you tomorrow”.
·03:25 Joran gets on his computer and Deepak sees him coming on-line
·03:25.04 – 03:25.38 three messages sent by Deepak, no reply from Joran
·03:33.08 – 03:35.32 two messages sent by Joran, no reply from Deepak
·03:25 – 3:32 Satish arrives home. Deepak hears this and that’s why he doesn’t respond to Joran’s messages.
·03:35-04:30 Joran goes to Hotmail and visits the football/porn sites and download movies.
·08:00-02:45 Joran is at school
·12:00 Satish oversleeps and misses school that day
·13:30 Deepak wakes up
·(…)
·17:00 Paul drops off Joran at the Racquet club
·17:00-19:00 Tennis lesson for Joran
·19:15 Joran leaves Racquet club on foot to the casino
·00:00 – 02:00 Joran and Deepak meet again first in Radisson with friends and then alone in the Wyndham
·Etc.

Just another hypothesis to be falsified. I'm very open to any comments, critical feedback and/or additions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

That sounds good LilPuma.  I usually use a creamy mayonnaise as he likes it but will try the viniagrette next time.  Lots of veggies too.  I have to be sneaky with veggies as he prefers not to eat many.

BTW some would say we are still run by criminals (J/K)


How about trying a creamy Ceasar or Blue Cheese dressing if he likes the mayo?  I figure if I like the dressing, I'll like it with pasta.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: LilPuma
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
:
Ahh Old School Chicago Mob..Posner is a old timer too..He must be high up the ladder..


Yea, but he's not on the "list".  They don't even know how many defendants there will be since most of them pled guilty.  There are 4 or 5 expected to go to trial.  They're calling it the Family Secrets Trial because of Calabrese turning State's evidence.


Hi Pita :) ..That is a nice lil payout the Aruban Govt has to make. :wink:

Thats a major shake down in chicago!! Too bad we cant see something like that in Aruba.


I hope that's what the Dutch are working on.  Not putting any money on it, but I can hope.


I hear ya..I hope they arent banking on what they found at the sloots.. Lots of questions and I am sure the KLPD has most of the answers. They have to know what needs to be done and what they are up against..

I cant help but think of charles croes remarks that he made about Natalee. He seems to be right on the money. Well before he made the nasty remarks :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Found this at Scrux - posted by a new member who claims to be from the NL - it's a very detailed and thought out synopsis of what could have happened:

FierlJepper
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 1
Location: Netherlands
 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: A "Satish & Joran colluded, Deepak didn't know"

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Some interesting thoughts there, but I think he's basing his conclusion that Satish was with Joran and Deepak is in the dark on the computer records.  If anything, I'd say his theory is as good as any if you search/replace Satish with Deepak and vice versa.  I also think the comments in the police car tape are Joran trying to implicate the Kalpoes or make them believe they're in trouble.  This tape is also where Deepak says he knows 1000% sure they're going home in a few days.  I also don't believe they went to the beach, at least not near the Marriott.  I do think this poster is on the money about Joran's fascination with the backseat dot coms and wanting to be one of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 12:29:21 AM
Klaas that is a well thought out theory and very possible.  Puts the emphasis on Satish where most posters focus on Deepak out of the two brothers.
Interesting also that this poster is only now involved after seeing the Jensen show.  I wonder how many others are just coming to know what is really involved and the extent of the information and lies.
Joran is slowly but surely hanging himself with his interviews and book.  Good!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 18, 2007, 12:31:47 AM
Quote from: "Pita"
Colson, Hicks, Eidson - Coral Gables, Florida

In 2002, the firm obtained a $19 million judgment in federal court in Miami against the Government of Aruba on behalf of racecar promoter Ralph Sanchez in connection with the failed efforts to build a racetrack in Aruba.

http://www.colsonhickseidson.com/CM/InTheNews/InTheNews65.asp



THANKS, PITA,

I am always amazed at how some can find links to just about anything related to this investigation.  Terrific searching skills or filing system!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: lexie on June 18, 2007, 12:36:40 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Klaas that is a well thought out theory and very possible.  Puts the emphasis on Satish where most posters focus on Deepak out of the two brothers.
Interesting also that this poster is only now involved after seeing the Jensen show.  I wonder how many others are just coming to know what is really involved and the extent of the information and lies.
Joran is slowly but surely hanging himself with his interviews and book.  Good!


I thought the gardner could i.d. both Joran and Deepak but not Satish. Did he say there were 3 in the car, or just the 2?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 12:42:03 AM
Your right LILPUMA..

I just ran into a yahoo story on the chicago outfit..Major Shakedown!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070617/ap_on_re_us/mob_trial


Title: Arnica and Calendula
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi None,
I still haven't had a reply from the Robert Gordon family about doing an article on their factory and wares yet.  They seem to be slow?  Or maybe more artistic than business like.  Will wait a couple more days and then send them a reminder, as they produce much nicer pottery than any of the other long time potters here. Mostly plain utility ware.
Also BT was going to send you my email.


she did Tib and I am behind  :oops: I am sorry. we had so much work this week but I will send you an email in the morning with the specifics they sent to me, ok? My arms ache so badly tonight, I think I trimmed every hedge surrounding the house today and I am heading to the shower and crawl into bed.

Rest well all !


Nonesuche
Do you have a Homepathic store near you? If not order online from Santa Monica Homeopathic Drug store or other site online... Arnica Lotion.--daisy family. costs about $39 in a big bottle that you can put in small bottles for in the car. Great on bruises, overexertion, stings, sore muscles, sunburn but not on cuts. Use Calendula (mum family) for cuts even in eyes, pulling of teeth, burns.. go for animals too.

The large bottle, for me, lasts for years as does the Calendula the size of a cottege cheese container.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 01:01:36 AM
Natural remedies?  Ask Tibro about melaleuca oil!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:04:56 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Klaas that is a well thought out theory and very possible.  Puts the emphasis on Satish where most posters focus on Deepak out of the two brothers.
Interesting also that this poster is only now involved after seeing the Jensen show.  I wonder how many others are just coming to know what is really involved and the extent of the information and lies.
Joran is slowly but surely hanging himself with his interviews and book.  Good!
Hi Monkeys! Just caught up reading, and saw Klaas's post above from scrux.com. Then I went to scrux, checked the sitemeter to see if really from Netherlands and Yes it sure was. Said 4:00 something am Netherland's time. From   Noordsebuurt ,Zuid-Holland. Very interesting. I tried to join scrux.com as I wanted to reply to his post. To join, you must type the confirmation number in the box . All I get is one of those little red x , where the code should show up, so I could not join.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 01:05:09 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Your right LILPUMA..

I just ran into a yahoo story on the chicago outfit..Major Shakedown!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070617/ap_on_re_us/mob_trial


Yep.  "Anonymous Jury"  Glad I did my jury duty late last year!   :shock: Wonder if there will be some changes in some of these Caribbean casinos.  I doubt Posner is the only Mobbed-up guy running things in the islands; he's just the only one we know of because he runs the one where Natalee met Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 18, 2007, 01:05:43 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: "Red"
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:10:02 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Klaas that is a well thought out theory and very possible.  Puts the emphasis on Satish where most posters focus on Deepak out of the two brothers.
Interesting also that this poster is only now involved after seeing the Jensen show.  I wonder how many others are just coming to know what is really involved and the extent of the information and lies.
Joran is slowly but surely hanging himself with his interviews and book.  Good!


I thought the gardner could i.d. both Joran and Deepak but not Satish. Did he say there were 3 in the car, or just the 2?
That is what the gardner said... he said 3 in the car, but couldn't tell who it was in the back seat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 01:14:16 AM
Long blonde hair and short dark hair even in the dark would look different.  It's possible the gardener could make that mistake, but I still think that Natalee was unconscious by that time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:14:34 AM
Quote from: "Red"
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Red on June 18, 2007, 01:14:37 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:19:05 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Long blonde hair and short dark hair even in the dark would look different.  It's possible the gardener could make that mistake, but I still think that Natalee was unconscious by that time.
The gardner said someone was "scrunched down in the back" trying to hide. I do not know who that was, but I agree that Natalee was already unconscious at the time.


Title: Post
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:19:42 AM
OK, I am very confused here... was the JVDS post real or not? I thought it was not really him, then a Monkey said the IP came from NL.. that can't be faked.

So what is the real story? TIA


Title: Re: Post
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
OK, I am very confused here... was the JVDS post real or not? I thought it was not really him, then a Monkey said the IP came from NL.. that can't be faked.

So what is the real story? TIA
Sorry If I confused you IBE. JVDS was fake yes. I was talking about a post on the last page here that Klaas brought over from the scrux.com forum, not the JVDS ones.


Title: Re: Post
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IBE"
OK, I am very confused here... was the JVDS post real or not? I thought it was not really him, then a Monkey said the IP came from NL.. that can't be faked.

So what is the real story? TIA
Sorry If I confused you IBE. JVDS was fake yes. I was talking about a post on the last page here that Klaas brought over from the scrux.com forum, not the JVDS ones.
The one with the Netherlands IP...is the one on page 29, posted by Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:25:06 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Hey everyone ... Read the FP, this is a special offer that we have been discussing with Tim Miller and TES for a while:

Scared Monkeys - Texas EquuSearch T-Shirt TES Fund Raiser … Help Support Finding Missing Persons

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Help make a difference. Give TES a fighting chance to help fund the searches. There seem to be so many missing people every day. You too can be a part of helping a family find their loved one.

In the process you will get a Tim Miller autographed t-shirt.

Pass it on to others and other sites that all know the great work that Tim Miller and the volunteers of TES do.


You forgot to mention in here that the T-Shirt is only $25.00!


Hi just saw this.. will it still be available around July1-3.. retirement check :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 01:27:24 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "*******"
Your right LILPUMA..

I just ran into a yahoo story on the chicago outfit..Major Shakedown!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070617/ap_on_re_us/mob_trial


Yep.  "Anonymous Jury"  Glad I did my jury duty late last year!   :shock: Wonder if there will be some changes in some of these Caribbean casinos.  I doubt Posner is the only Mobbed-up guy running things in the islands; he's just the only one we know of because he runs the one where Natalee met Joran.


Your right!! I would hate to be a juror in that trial :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "*******"
Your right LILPUMA..

I just ran into a yahoo story on the chicago outfit..Major Shakedown!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070617/ap_on_re_us/mob_trial


Yep.  "Anonymous Jury"  Glad I did my jury duty late last year!   :shock: Wonder if there will be some changes in some of these Caribbean casinos.  I doubt Posner is the only Mobbed-up guy running things in the islands; he's just the only one we know of because he runs the one where Natalee met Joran.


Your right!! I would hate to be a juror in that trial :wink:
Me too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:32:13 AM
Klaas

afraid I am behind in t-shirt looking. Is there one a CafePress or elsewhere that says Justice for Natalee or something like that?? TIA :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: Post
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
OK, I am very confused here... was the JVDS post real or not? I thought it was not really him, then a Monkey said the IP came from NL.. that can't be faked.

So what is the real story? TIA


No, it was NOT a real post.  It just so happened that someone from the Netherlands was online around the same time but JVDS posts at SM are not Joran.

We have people from the NL watching the site all the time, not unusual at all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 01:32:55 AM
Have any of you ever gotten so tired that you feel like your eyeballs are dried out. That is where I am at, so Goodnight Monkeys!


Title: Great Idea
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:35:14 AM
Great Idea

Thanks Red and TES. What a neat way to help and also get the important info about their work out there! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:36:25 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas

afraid I am behind in t-shirt looking. Is there one a CafePress or elsewhere that says Justice for Natalee or something like that?? TIA :lol:  :lol:

I'd have to look at the Cafepress shirts, I'm not sure if there are any Justice for Natalee.  

What RED is pointing out is the TES fundraiser shirts for $25.00.  They will be autographed by Tim Miller and you will also get a photo of Tim and I believe a photo from a recent search.  All for $25.00.    Read the front page of SM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:37:26 AM
On the form, I can't see the sizes that are offered or are they there and I missed them??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:38:28 AM
My above post is about the TES t-shirts re sizes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:41:02 AM
Since they feature horses and young ones love horses, are their younger people sizes or whatever they are called??? Maybe someone would like to buy one for a daughter/son. granddaughter/grandson


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:41:05 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
My above post is about the TES t-shirts re sizes


It's on the form just above the 2 shirts.

Comes in S,M,L, 1X, 2X  - All mens sizes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 01:42:32 AM
Thanks Klaas, my eyes and excitment missed that info :oops:

Really, Really a great idea!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:43:09 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Since they feature horses and young ones love horses, are their younger people sizes or whatever they are called??? Maybe someone would like to buy one for a daughter/son. granddaughter/grandson


I'll see if Red can ask Tim about smaller sizes but I doubt it.  Tim may only have adult mens sizes.  

100% of proceeds go to TES.  TES has and provides the shirts.  I don't anything about who makes them for Tim.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 01:52:38 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Earthquake
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 02:14:22 AM
O/T Klaas if there is ever an earthquake on the Newport/Inglewood fault line.. please look for me.. and make sure my animals stay together if I don't make it. am sitting right on top of the fault as its end in CC on liquid soil and I am guessing you'd be near it too but more on rock!!

City required us to get computer chips in the dogs.. by the time I did the chip ($45). the yearly monitoring fee of the chip ($25), the shots ($80) and the license it will be near $170 $$$$. Luckily he is already neutered . May get a Sr. Citizen or lower income variance on yearly dog tags. Didn't expect this expense this month and the papers announced Culver City said we had to do it by July 1, so only given 30 days. Had chips for low cost at city Vet Mem Hall but I didn't wish to wait for hours and have my "baby" around those that might be ill. :roll:  they were going to require chips in cats, but City pulled back on them.

Hope I don't live as long to see computer chips in us
, unless for helping those who have lost legs, arms. to walk and use their arms..but  I'd like more RAM (memory) in my brain tho.. just nothing someone like a future Hitler could use against us. Like a GPS thing and all good and bed things abouts on one chip to be scanned by who knows who and for what reason.

Need to replentish my food and get an emerg. winde up emerg. radio.. it says it will recharge a cell phone too! Love those soup, et al cans where you don't need a can opener.

An in contact with Nonesuche about Ricks  2 cellphones Thanks Klaas. and Nonesuche I am making a contraction where I clip it on a belt, or around the next or inside a pocked or on the inside of a purse. I might even stick it inside my panty hose.. but it on vib and make the knobs of 911 larger than the others so I could touch them when needing help.

When I go to meetings in Inner City LA, Comption, Wats, I have alsways wanted a conceeled phone that I could put my hand over like my pockeu and since 911 numbers woud stickout more I could silently call when being grabbed or even if I fell I could fall on that area or roll over on it... it would call and the 911 could hear what's going on.

Thanks for listening to my rant.. must put glob of calendula in eyes as they are acting up. See reg Eye Dr. tomorrow, then as thanks to me, take myself out to lunch *10 $ inclusive but with lots of food, then register for Thurs. pm one stroke painting glass.

Am trying to pull away from the downer, disfuctioning, clickish, mean area I was around when volunteering.. most were OK  some were downers. :roll:


Title: Write once, submit twice
Post by: IBE on June 18, 2007, 02:28:57 AM
Klaas sorry posted twice.. would you please, when you awaken, please take one of them out?

TIA :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 18, 2007, 06:31:20 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
Quote from: "igsigs"
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember



How can he be an effective lawyer if he cannot remember squat???? Glad I do not have to depend on him in court :lol:  :lol:

~~~~~~~~~~~~

ITA!!! Bunch of CRAP!!   :idea:  ....
Perhaps Klaasss could put together another Video Re: PVDS and find a :smt035  song to go with it entitled   :smt102  ..... I cannot remember!!
(She will probably kick my butt 4 suggesting she do another 'song search', Lmaooooooooo)  :smt082  :smt080


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on June 18, 2007, 07:24:02 AM
Regarding the post found at Scrux, I disagree with this assessment:
"Deepak is too decent and wouldn’t bite."

Deepak doesn't strike me at all as being the decent type.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 07:54:39 AM
or me either Justice, his remarks on the Skeeter tape even those NOT in question by others, such as she was a 'slut' etc proved to me what's in his heart and his mind  :roll:

sometimes I think those who defend him so hard and the like must be used to hearing young men make remarks such as those, or worse refer to women as ho's often?

IBE the phone I am sending you may still have a case with a clip, I'm just so busy with work this week but will look for it too.

Hi-ho off I go


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on June 18, 2007, 08:25:11 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:25:46 AM
If Aruba gave Carla Baron so much grief for just trying to tape a television show, how do we know Tim Miller won't just hit another brick wall?  Has he been given any assurances about this upcoming search?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:31:07 AM
BRITISH POLICE SMASH GLOBAL PEDOPHILE RING; 700 ARRESTED; 31 CHILDREN
 RESCUED

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 09:37:54 AM
geez  :shock: unbelievably grotesque isn't it. I'm not sure prison is nearly enough punishment for such evil  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on June 18, 2007, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If Aruba gave Carla Baron so much grief for just trying to tape a television show, how do we know Tim Miller won't just hit another brick wall?  Has he been given any assurances about this upcoming search?



Let us hope it's out of their hands, Easy. Perhaps they have changed their attitude after losing so much money and their reputation of being a happy island. Of course, they only have themselves to blame.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: justinsmama on June 18, 2007, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
BRITISH POLICE SMASH GLOBAL PEDOPHILE RING; 700 ARRESTED; 31 CHILDREN
 RESCUED

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more


And Justin's dad says that pervs are not a problem...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Hotshot on June 18, 2007, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Hey everyone ... Read the FP, this is a special offer that we have been discussing with Tim Miller and TES for a while:

Scared Monkeys - Texas EquuSearch T-Shirt TES Fund Raiser … Help Support Finding Missing Persons

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/18/scared-monkeys-texas-equusearch-t-shirt-tes-fund-raiser-help-support-finding-missing-persons/

Help make a difference. Give TES a fighting chance to help fund the searches. There seem to be so many missing people every day. You too can be a part of helping a family find their loved one.

In the process you will get a Tim Miller autographed t-shirt.

Pass it on to others and other sites that all know the great work that Tim Miller and the volunteers of TES do.

Done!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 11:00:20 AM
Morning Monkeys, things seem quiet this day. Hope everyone's Fathers Day was a good one!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:12:17 AM
The Jensen interview with Joran video is available now at his site:

http://www.rtl.nl/shows/jensen/video/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 11:15:22 AM
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 11:24:19 AM
(http://www.centralmediaserver.com/xetv/missing-woman-arrest.jpg)

Such a sad ending to another young life. I have updated my post in the missing persons thread about this lovely young girl. Unfortunately her body was found on friday stuffed into a plastic trash container. Robert Carson is presently in jail for the crime.

Carson had been in and out of jail, convicted of rape in 1986. In 2003, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor sexual battery. The last time, he was charged under the state's “three strikes” law, yet received three years of probation.

Something has to be done to stop these creeps from getting our children. I am dead serious when I say maybe we should have a one strike law. I would like to propose in the face of violent sex acts ie rape, or molestation of a child that the perps be given the choice, they can either be given the choice to remain incarcerated or undergo prefrontal lobotomy to control their violent tendencies. I am dead serious about this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2007, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
geez  :shock: unbelievably grotesque isn't it. I'm not sure prison is nearly enough punishment for such evil  :evil:


Good Morning none

I agree.  

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on June 18, 2007, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
(http://www.centralmediaserver.com/xetv/missing-woman-arrest.jpg)

Such a sad ending to another young life. I have updated my post in the missing persons thread about this lovely young girl. Unfortunately her body was found on friday stuffed into a plastic trash container. Robert Carson is presently in jail for the crime.

Carson had been in and out of jail, convicted of rape in 1986. In 2003, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor sexual battery. The last time, he was charged under the state's “three strikes” law, yet received three years of probation.

Something has to be done to stop these creeps from getting our children. I am dead serious when I say maybe we should have a one strike law. I would like to propose in the face of violent sex acts ie rape, or molestation of a child that the perps be given the choice, they can either be given the choice to remain incarcerated or undergo prefrontal lobotomy to control their violent tendencies. I am dead serious about this.


Or be sterilized. And I am serious, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: "BlueKYGirl"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
(http://www.centralmediaserver.com/xetv/missing-woman-arrest.jpg)

Such a sad ending to another young life. I have updated my post in the missing persons thread about this lovely young girl. Unfortunately her body was found on friday stuffed into a plastic trash container. Robert Carson is presently in jail for the crime.

Carson had been in and out of jail, convicted of rape in 1986. In 2003, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor sexual battery. The last time, he was charged under the state's “three strikes” law, yet received three years of probation.

Something has to be done to stop these creeps from getting our children. I am dead serious when I say maybe we should have a one strike law. I would like to propose in the face of violent sex acts ie rape, or molestation of a child that the perps be given the choice, they can either be given the choice to remain incarcerated or undergo prefrontal lobotomy to control their violent tendencies. I am dead serious about this.


Or be sterilized. And I am serious, too.


They have tried chemical castration in the past and violent sex offenders say it doesn't stop the thoughts........since many of these violent crimes are not about sex, I don't know if that will help. But it can't hurt ....OK good idea, lets recommend that too. There has to be something.  Everything is about the rights of the guilty and not about the rights of the victim. When I used to work in an Intensive Care Unit where we would occassionally get prisoners as patients, we were not allowed to know there HIV status. Give me a brake!  IT VIOLATED THEIR RIGHTS! But what about me! Starting their IV's, drawing blood, changing dressings......we use "universal precautions " and are carefull with everyone, but I would still like to know. The first health care worker ever to die from AIDS was a nurse that contacted it from a prisoner patient when he decided to become agressive and the guard at the bedside watched. OK down off my soapbox.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 18, 2007, 12:24:46 PM
Hi Monkeys, I've been catching up and don't have much to add, except ...

BlueKYGirl - sterilization wouldn't help.

I noticed that Saturday's Diario (6/16) had an article about the upcoming psychic show.

There was some discussion about scary movies. One of the scariest I've seen was "Straw Dogs" (Dustin Hoffman). But YES, Psycho, Rear Window, and Jaws. And several from the Coen Brothers.

Off to check the newspapers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 18, 2007, 12:32:30 PM
Murder & Crime thread - 31,119 views.

It was only June 14 that I posted it broke 30,000 views. That was last Thursday.

 :shock:   :?:   :shock:   :?:   :shock:   :?:   :shock:   :?:   :shock:   :?:  

I will say this: when you are looking for information about the hangings, Pitbull, etc., the M&C thread is probably the fastest was to get at least the basic information. All of the murders, and violent crimes, that we've noticed, are in the Summary (see my sig line).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


BTW, this is the quote later in the PV that I referred to:

My brother told me the girl we and Joran dropped off at Marriot Hotel beach is missing. I asked my brother how this was possible. It seemed strange to me. I had seen the girl a day before that and now she was missing. My brother also told me the police and the girl´s family members, together with an FBI agent came to Joran´s house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 18, 2007, 12:41:27 PM
Posted by Richard on the Tourism Trade Show Listing, June 13, 2007:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=100

Quote
With about two weeks to go until the latest confrontation with Aruba Tourism Authority, I thought I’d give an update on how things are going. And they are going very well.

From June 27 to July 1, the ATA {Aruba Tourism Authority} will be present at an event in New Orleans that is open to travel agents only. Since these are the people who push Aruba (those who do), I thought it was very important that Natalee supporters show up to keep the message going: “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

One person contacted me with an unbelievably generous offer: she would let participants in the protest use her timeshare in New Orleans. This has worked out.

The New Orleans protest is being led by Jamie, whose sister made those wonderful signs that were used in Miami. Jamie told me last night that things are moving ahead.

This will be the biggest turnout ever, judging from the number of people who have said they will take part.

Anyone who wants to make a donation, ask about showing up, or just wants to make a statement of support is asked to write to VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com. Your message will be passed on to Jamie.

We confronted the ATA at Boston.
We confronted the ATA at Miami.
Now we’re facing them at New Orleans.

And we will not back down. We can’t force them to do justice for Natalee … but we can, and will, make sure that they understand the costs of not doing so.

It’s their choice.

“No justice for Natalee … NO TOURISTS FOR ARUBA.”


This is just a little over a week away!

I understand that a Monkey also donated the use of a timeshare so lodging for the entire time is (or was) available. THANKS to that Monkey!

$$ donations are also helpful - not for lodging/transportation, but for the permit fee, flyers, maybe parking, etc.

If you can help in any way - use the VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com email address as provided by Richard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 18, 2007, 12:59:13 PM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/18/

HOBEN A TRIBI DI COMETE KIEBRO Y HORTA BULLET-PROOF VEST DI POLISNAN

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diasabra marduga ora cu patruyanan a bay brinda asistencia pa bringamento na e clubnan nocturno, antisocialnan a probecha di e situacion.
Hobennan a mira cu e auto di Polis ta staciona na e cruzada di Weststraat y Lloyd G. Smith Boulevard y a forza e glas di bentana pa asina habri drenta den e patruya y logra bay cu un bulletproof vest cu tabatin den e auto.
Testigonan cu a wak e acto aki a avisa autoridad cu descripcion di e malhechor y den cual direccion el a bay.
Inmediatamente a cuminza un buskeda den e area, a para y controla tur auto cu tabata riba e parkinglot patras di Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.
E listramento aki no a logra su resultado ya cu no a logra haya e malhechor ni mucho menos e vest.
Mas despues un hoben a presenta na warda y a entrega un articulonan ariba menciona na comandante di polis. El a laga di haya e articulonan menciona patras di Carlos ‘n Charlie’s.
Polis a gradici e hoben di 21 aña cu a bin te warda pa entrega articulonan.

Online Pap translation:

young owing to be bold of comete kiebro y steal bullet-proof vest of polisnan

oranjestad (aan): saturday marduga hour cu patruyanan owing to bay brinda asistencia for bringamento at the clubnan nocturno, antisocialnan owing to probecha of the situation.

hobennan owing to see cu the car of police is staciona at the cruzada of weststraat y lloyd g. smith boulevard y owing to forza the glass of window for so open enter in the patrol y succeed bay cu one bulletproof vest cu had in the car.

testigonan cu owing to look at the acto here owing to avisa autoridad cu descripcion of the malhechor y in cual direccion past owing to bay.

at once owing to cuminza one buskeda in the area, owing to stop y controla all car cu was on the parkinglot behind carlos ‘n charlie’s.

the listramento here not owing to succeed his result already cu not owing to succeed achieve the malhechor neither mucho less the vest.

more after one young owing to present at keep y owing to entrega one articulonan upstairs menciona at comandante of police. past owing to let of achieve the articulonan menciona behind carlos ‘n charlie’s.

police owing to gradici the young of 21 year cu owing to come till keep for entrega articulonan.

* * *
I *think* - Guy breaks window of POLIS CAR  :shock:  and opens the trunk, steals a bullet proof vest  :shock: . Apparently someone spotted the bad guy and gave a description and direction he headed for ... polis caught up with him in the parking lot at C&C. Not sure what time it was but it looks dark in the photos.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


BTW, this is the quote later in the PV that I referred to:

My brother told me the girl we and Joran dropped off at Marriot Hotel beach is missing. I asked my brother how this was possible. It seemed strange to me. I had seen the girl a day before that and now she was missing. My brother also told me the police and the girl´s family members, together with an FBI agent came to Joran´s house.

I never notice that before 2NJSons.  Satish mentions "we" as in him and Deepak.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2007, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "lexie"
Quote from: "igsigs"
:arrow:  PAULUS 6/23 PV

Suspect did remark that he is willing to tell us everything he remembers if this somehow gives clarity in the case of Natalee Holloway gone missing.

I cannot precisely recollect
It is possible
But i do not remember
I cannot remember exactly
It is possible but i cannot remember
I cannot remember
The exact time i cannot remember
I at least cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember
I cannot exactly remember anymore
I do not know for sure
I cannot visually play back in my own mind
I cannot remember
I cannot remember
To the best of my recollection
I cannot remember however
I cannot remember
I an not 100% sure of that
I cannot remember anymore
I am not sure
I do not remember whether i did
I do not remember
I cannot remember whether i did
Maybe i did
I cannot remember anymore
I cannot remember what i did
I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear
I cannot remember
I think i went to work
I do not remember
I don't exactly remember anymore
I do not remember



How can he be an effective lawyer if he cannot remember squat???? Glad I do not have to depend on him in court :lol:  :lol:

~~~~~~~~~~~~

ITA!!! Bunch of CRAP!!   :idea:  ....
Perhaps Klaasss could put together another Video Re: PVDS and find a :smt035  song to go with it entitled   :smt102  ..... I cannot remember!!
(She will probably kick my butt 4 suggesting she do another 'song search', Lmaooooooooo)  :smt082  :smt080


Nut44 ... that is a great idea!

igsigs ... thanks for that incredible compilation ... it is sooo telling in regards to Paulus Van der Sloots knowing more than he is telling.

Janet.


Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Interview
Mary 22, 2006


Dompig says he believes Paulus Van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 18, 2007, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


BTW, this is the quote later in the PV that I referred to:

My brother told me the girl we and Joran dropped off at Marriot Hotel beach is missing. I asked my brother how this was possible. It seemed strange to me. I had seen the girl a day before that and now she was missing. My brother also told me the police and the girl´s family members, together with an FBI agent came to Joran´s house.




Around 1 p.m. on Monday, Satish and Deepak know that Natalee is missing.  I wonder just how they know this so soon as I believe the second flight back to the US has not yet departed.  

How did they know Natalee did not breathlessly arrive at the very last minute at the airport in the nick of time to catch her flight?  How did they know she was missing by 1 p, of the following day, or Monday, just as Freddie says?

So all three of the main suspects knew fully well by 1 pm of the following day that Natalee was missing yet when Beth arrived, they didn't even remember her at all and didn't know her name?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on June 18, 2007, 02:12:41 PM
I am reposting this again for the benefit of those who didn't see them. Aruba's numbers are declining continually in 2007. The occupancy rate is 82%, down from last year and they supposedly have less rooms thi year which should have made that number go up.

Their passenger arrival numbers are dismal. Business was booming in April of 2005 before they decided to disappear Natalee.



CENTRAL BANK OF ARUBA-
TOURISM NUMBERS APRIL 2005-2007

APRIL 2007

Available data show that the average occupancy rate of hotels for April 2007 edged up by  0.7 percentage point to 81.8 percent, after falling slightly by 0.5 percentage point to 82.0  percent for March 2007. The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on  tourist arrivals and nights spent on the island for March and April 2007.

Since February 2007, the number of cruise passengers has been declining. This number  fell again in April and May 2007 by, respectively, 17.3 percent and 25.8 percent, in spite of  a 3.4 percent rise in ship calls in April 2007 and a notable 75 percent hike in May 2007. A  major factor for this development was the cancellation as of January 2007 of the weekly  visits of the Carnival Cruise Lines to Aruba.

 In March 2007, the consumer price index went up by 5.0 percent, compared to the  corresponding month a year earlier. In contrast, the annual average inflation rate  decelerated to 3.7 percent, down from 3.9 percent in March 2006. The consumer price  index for April 2007 has not yet been published by the Central Bureau of Statistics.  


APRIL 2006


In January 2006, the number of stay-over visitors and their nights spent on the island fell by  15.8 percent and 10.3 percent, respectively, compared to the corresponding month in  2005. The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on tourist arrivals and  nights spent on the island for February, March and April 2006. However, according to the  Department of Immigration, air passenger arrivals dropped by 14.7 percent during the first  quarter of 2006 compared to the corresponding quarter a year earlier.


APRIL 2005

The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published information on the number of  stay-over tourists and their nights spent on the island for the months of March and  April 2005. Data on the average hotel occupancy rate show a 0.4 percentage point  increase to 85.4 percent compared to the corresponding month of 2004. In April 2005, both cruise passenger arrivals and the number of ship calls rose  notably by 15.8 percent and 12.9 percent, respectively, compared to April 2004.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


BTW, this is the quote later in the PV that I referred to:

My brother told me the girl we and Joran dropped off at Marriot Hotel beach is missing. I asked my brother how this was possible. It seemed strange to me. I had seen the girl a day before that and now she was missing. My brother also told me the police and the girl´s family members, together with an FBI agent came to Joran´s house.

I never notice that before 2NJSons.  Satish mentions "we" as in him and Deepak.


I don't think it was a translation mistake, and yes, he's saying all 3 of them, at that point.  My mind can't conceive that they are all that smart to fabricate statements like this without some truth.  I just have not been able to spend the time to compare.  

The NL post at scrux didn't include the Satish comment 'how's the girl' and that popped up in my mind right away....so, was it a filler in his statement, or not?  There's all kinds of holes in these statements...  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Anna on June 18, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
Yes, "we and Joran" dropped the girl off at the beach!  I'll just bet they did!  I have never believed for one minute Satish asked how the girl was because unless something was wrong, they should not know as she should be well on her way back to Alabama.

Satish's statements are just full of holes as Swiss Cheese.  They are three incredibly bad liars.  If their hadn't be a professional cover up in play, they would have convicted themselves with their own stupidity.

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: robots on June 18, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.  

Can someone tell me if it was Deepak or Satish's PV where it was said that Satish asked 'how's the girl' or something like that?   I was just looking through some of Deepak's but have not found it yet.

Thanks.


Satish's June 13th statement:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=382

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.


Thanks....my son had to use the computer, so I'm just seeing this.  After reading the post from Scrux, this came to mind.  Was trying to consider the NL poster's theory & incorporate this statement.  Part of me says Satish could be saying this to cover his ass, but later in this PV, Satish says 'we and Joran dropped them at the beach'....can't get my mind on specifics to counter with, as yet.


BTW, this is the quote later in the PV that I referred to:

My brother told me the girl we and Joran dropped off at Marriot Hotel beach is missing. I asked my brother how this was possible. It seemed strange to me. I had seen the girl a day before that and now she was missing. My brother also told me the police and the girl´s family members, together with an FBI agent came to Joran´s house.




Around 1 p.m. on Monday, Satish and Deepak know that Natalee is missing.  I wonder just how they know this so soon as I believe the second flight back to the US has not yet departed.  

How did they know Natalee did not breathlessly arrive at the very last minute at the airport in the nick of time to catch her flight?  How did they know she was missing by 1 p, of the following day, or Monday, just as Freddie says?

So all three of the main suspects knew fully well by 1 pm of the following day that Natalee was missing yet when Beth arrived, they didn't even remember her at all and didn't know her name?

.



EXACTLY

 :x  :x  :x  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 02:35:10 PM
Robots

Would you please describe for us the extent of your feelings of deliciousness today so that we might have hope for some news soon?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 18, 2007, 02:39:06 PM
BT ~ how did your sweet BT do during the surgery?

Robots ~ yes, we need you to let us know how really delicious you're feeling.....I think some folks are getting a sinking feeling  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on June 18, 2007, 02:39:54 PM
JAMAICA TOURISM INCREASES FROM 2005 to 2006

Total Stop-Overs-   13.5% INCREASE

Cruise passengers-    17.6% INCREASE

Tourists from U.S.-  9% INCREASE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
BT ~ how did your sweet BT do during the surgery?

Robots ~ yes, we need you to let us know how really delicious you're feeling.....I think some folks are getting a sinking feeling  :(


TY for asking, tcumom, but I don't know how she's doing/done yet. They said they would spend the morning running tests to make sure it was okay to use the anesthesia on her and then do the surgery in the afternoon. It will probably be a while yet before I find out anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: tcumom on June 18, 2007, 02:52:46 PM
BT ~ Okay, I'm thinking of you all, and be sure to let us know how it went.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
BT ~ Okay, I'm thinking of you all, and be sure to let us know how it went.


Will do, and thanks again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
2NJSons_Mom
Quote
I don't think it was a translation mistake, and yes, he's saying all 3 of them, at that point. My mind can't conceive that they are all that smart to fabricate statements like this without some truth. I just have not been able to spend the time to compare.


I totally agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 04:06:09 PM
Klaasend ,I posted a 7 year old autistic boy missing in the Missing Persons Thread. Can you please add WI to the end of the "Subject" for me? TIA (one of these days I'll get everything jusssst perfect.  :wink: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: blah on June 18, 2007, 05:26:27 PM
BOOGA, BOOGA, BOOGA, !!!!


 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 05:40:26 PM
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 05:46:42 PM
HEHEHE, an hour? I went to town, the bank, postoffice, came back went for a swim, took the dogs for a swim and started dinner.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.

That's exactly what it is AZ.  There is no news so it has been slow.

There are no hidy holes on SM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.

That's exactly what it is AZ.  There is no news so it has been slow.

There are no hidy holes on SM.


Well, we need to perk things up here. I almost went to sleep at work today. Easy wasn't feeling well and couldn't keep me entertained via email, and no one was posting at SM, so there was no excitement in my life.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:27:10 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.

That's exactly what it is AZ.  There is no news so it has been slow.

There are no hidy holes on SM.


Well, we need to perk things up here. I almost went to sleep at work today. Easy wasn't feeling well and couldn't keep me entertained via email, and no one was posting at SM, so there was no excitement in my life.  :(

I don't like being perky.  I like being grumpy :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093


well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.

That's exactly what it is AZ.  There is no news so it has been slow.

There are no hidy holes on SM.


Well, we need to perk things up here. I almost went to sleep at work today. Easy wasn't feeling well and couldn't keep me entertained via email, and no one was posting at SM, so there was no excitement in my life.  :(

I don't like being perky.  I like being grumpy :lol:


Hey! That works for me. Grumpy is better than boring.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:29:15 PM
This is way O/T, but for those who kindly asked, my BT came through her surgery just fine today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Where is everyone? Is there a hidy hole I don't know about ?  :smt093

well if there is they left us too!  People are just busy I think.  It went almost an hour between postings.

That's exactly what it is AZ.  There is no news so it has been slow.

There are no hidy holes on SM.

Well, we need to perk things up here. I almost went to sleep at work today. Easy wasn't feeling well and couldn't keep me entertained via email, and no one was posting at SM, so there was no excitement in my life.  :(

I don't like being perky.  I like being grumpy :lol:

Hey! That works for me. Grumpy is better than boring.  :lol:

I took a nice long nap today.  Probably when you were trying to sleep at your desk :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
This is way O/T, but for those who kindly asked, my BT came through her surgery just fine today.

Great news BT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:34:18 PM
BT I just realized that me and you are the only ones signed on :shock: .  Pretty soon I will be talking to myself :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: "San"

I took a nice long nap today.  Probably when you were trying to sleep at your desk :lol:


I plan to have a nap tomorrow.  :D

I'm taking the day off to make sure the BT doesn't hurt her incision.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: "San"
BT I just realized that me and you are the only ones signed on :shock: .  Pretty soon I will be talking to myself :lol:


Nah. The two of us are so witty and sparkling that we're sure to draw a crowd.  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:38:57 PM
Some of those 21 guests need to jump in and say something profound.

Let's take votes for who loves itunes.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"

I took a nice long nap today.  Probably when you were trying to sleep at your desk :lol:


I plan to have a nap tomorrow.  :D

I'm taking the day off to make sure the BT doesn't hurt her incision.

Good idea to take the day off and watch her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"

I took a nice long nap today.  Probably when you were trying to sleep at your desk :lol:


I plan to have a nap tomorrow.  :D

I'm taking the day off to make sure the BT doesn't hurt her incision.

Good idea to take the day off and watch her.


Yep, they're very bouncy dogs and she might need me to keep her calmed down.

Do you like itunes, San?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 06:44:26 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: ya'll are a hoot  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

it is indeed a wacky day, son just called to tell me thank you for my deposit, that is three weeks in a row so now I know the kid must want sumpthin outta me he's not telling yet  :shock:

I have to go outside and finish cutting up all those limbs into 3-foot lengths so our hoity-toity city service will take them in the yard waste  :roll:

oh for the AL folks, son said it's raining right now  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:44:49 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"

I took a nice long nap today.  Probably when you were trying to sleep at your desk :lol:


I plan to have a nap tomorrow.  :D

I'm taking the day off to make sure the BT doesn't hurt her incision.

Good idea to take the day off and watch her.


Yep, they're very bouncy dogs and she might need me to keep her calmed down.

Do you like itunes, San?

Yes I do BT.  I'm actually listening to it right now.  I'm listening to an old Jackie Wilson song :D .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 06:45:26 PM
San LOVES iTunes  :D

I'm off to go sweat like a fieldhand again, later monkeys and where did Blah run off to?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:45:57 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: ya'll are a hoot  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

it is indeed a wacky day, son just called to tell me thank you for my deposit, that is three weeks in a row so now I know the kid must want sumpthin outta me he's not telling yet  :shock:

I have to go outside and finish cutting up all those limbs into 3-foot lengths so our hoity-toity city service will take them in the yard waste  :roll:

oh for the AL folks, son said it's raining right now  :D


Ask son to send some rain in my direction please.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: "San"
Yes I do BT.  I'm actually listening to it right now.  I'm listening to an old Jackie Wilson song :D .


I'm listening to Earth, Wind and Fire's "After The Love Has Gone."

It's one of my all time favorites.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
All the people who are lurking out there and not posting need to post the names of their favorite songs. Maybe that will draw as big a crowd as the night we discussed our favorite foods.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 06:48:53 PM
Hi Monkeys :smt039

Just peeking in for a bit...checking on what's up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Yes I do BT.  I'm actually listening to it right now.  I'm listening to an old Jackie Wilson song :D .


I'm listening to Earth, Wind and Fire's "After The Love Has Gone."

It's one of my all time favorites.  :D

Yes, I like EWF also.  I like all kinds of music except Rap.  I like listening to the old songs.  I downloaded Brenda Lee, Otis Redding and Sam Cooke the other day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:49:29 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hi Monkeys :smt039

Just peeking in for a bit...checking on what's up


Hi OF

Please name your top 3 favorite songs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
BT I just realized that me and you are the only ones signed on :shock: .  Pretty soon I will be talking to myself :lol:


Nah. The two of us are so witty and sparkling that we're sure to draw a crowd.  :P


Hi Monkeys,

We need some news.Good news preferably.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Yes I do BT.  I'm actually listening to it right now.  I'm listening to an old Jackie Wilson song :D .


I'm listening to Earth, Wind and Fire's "After The Love Has Gone."

It's one of my all time favorites.  :D

Yes, I like EWF also.  I like all kinds of music except Rap.  I like listening to the old songs.  I downloaded Brenda Lee, Otis Redding and Sam Cooke the other day.


I like most kinds of music too, except for real countryfied country, LOL. I even like bluegrass, but not that "my wife left me and my dog died" kind of stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
BT I just realized that me and you are the only ones signed on :shock: .  Pretty soon I will be talking to myself :lol:


Nah. The two of us are so witty and sparkling that we're sure to draw a crowd.  :P


Hi Monkeys,

We need some news.Good news preferably.


Yes we do!

What are some of your favorite all time songs?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 06:56:34 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hi Monkeys :smt039

Just peeking in for a bit...checking on what's up


Hi OF

Please name your top 3 favorite songs.


I can't do it..  :oops:
Based on how  feel, time of the year, what I'm doing, what the price of gasoline is.. it changes.. :roll:  

Most songs I just like the music anyway
Listening to mid of Wardward Son now
Summer Rain and Walking in Memphis were just  on


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
This is way O/T, but for those who kindly asked, my BT came through her surgery just fine today.


 :smt026  Great, I bet BT can't wait to get home!   :smt026


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hi Monkeys :smt039

Just peeking in for a bit...checking on what's up


Hi OF

Please name your top 3 favorite songs.


I can't do it..  :oops:
Based on how  feel, time of the year, what I'm doing, what the price of gasoline is.. it changes.. :roll:  

Most songs I just like the music anyway
Listening to mid of Wardward Son now
Summer Rain and Walking in Memphis were just  on


I LOVE Walking in Memphis!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
This is way O/T, but for those who kindly asked, my BT came through her surgery just fine today.


 :smt026  Great, I bet BT can't wait to get home!   :smt026


TY, Indy. They said I can pick her up at 7:30 tomorrow morning, and I can't wait to get her back home!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 07:00:26 PM
Oh chit

Starting to rain... need to do some stuff...
BBL

Sending rain to our Rain-less Monkeys
:smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 07:01:58 PM
It is hard for me to pick favorites in music. I hate Rap.

If I didn't care

Blueberry Hill

At Last

Mustang Sally

All those are oldies though. I love Willie Nelson when he sings some of the old popular songs, Not country. I also like Sam Cook and Otis Redding. I will be back in a minute going to change screen names so I can get a link to a great site for you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:02:44 PM
Hello Monkey Mates  :lol:

BT I am so pleased your little BT is recovering well.  She will be so happy to get home.

I notice Klaas has not commented on Nut44x4 suggestion of another video of all Paulus' memory lapses.  It is a wonder he can remember his way out of the house if his memory is so bad.
We should find a tune to go with it for her.  As long as it is not "Memory" from Cats.  My all time favourite song.
I know Johnny Cash and the Beatles had one called I forgot to remember to forget.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkey Mates  :lol:

BT I am so pleased your little BT is recovering well.  She will be so happy to get home.

I notice Klaas has not commented on Nut44x4 suggestion of another video of all Paulus' memory lapses.  It is a wonder he can remember his way out of the house if his memory is so bad.
We should find a tune to go with it for her.  As long as it is not "Memory" from Cats.  My all time favourite song.
I know Johnny Cash and the Beatles had one called I forgot to remember to forget.


TY regarding the BT.

And Memory is also one of my favorite songs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkey Mates  :lol:

BT I am so pleased your little BT is recovering well.  She will be so happy to get home.

I notice Klaas has not commented on Nut44x4 suggestion of another video of all Paulus' memory lapses.  It is a wonder he can remember his way out of the house if his memory is so bad.
We should find a tune to go with it for her.  As long as it is not "Memory" from Cats.  My all time favourite song.
I know Johnny Cash and the Beatles had one called I forgot to remember to forget.


LOL - I was sort of playing hookie from the forum today.  Working and lurking then I did some errands.

I need to find that post with PVDS memory lapses..that's a good idea  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
It is hard for me to pick favorites in music. I hate Rap.

If I didn't care

Blueberry Hill

At Last

Mustang Sally

All those are oldies though. I love Willie Nelson when he sings some of the old popular songs, Not country. I also like Sam Cook and Otis Redding. I will be back in a minute going to change screen names so I can get a link to a great site for you.


TY Sam


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:08:13 PM
I just had a thought -
Can't you just picture Paulus as a lawyer in a court room and the judge says Does your client plead guilty or not guilty?
and Paulus says : I don't remember.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:08:45 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I just had a thought -
Can't you just picture Paulus as a lawyer in a court room and the judge says Does your client plead guilty or not guilty?
and Paulus says : I don't remember.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
Boy, been in catch up mode most of today since I was out of the loop attending my daughter-in-laws, sister's wedding in Joliet.  Didn't take long I must admit. SLOW here.

Since we're ok with O/T - let me say that we were there strictly as the "Cleaners".  2yo grandson was in the wedding and our mission was to whisk him away once he got totally bored with the whole ordeal. He's like a parrot, repeats everything you say, I mean everything.  After getting lost trying to find the reception place, he opened my eyes to way I make casual comments LOL!

As for the wedding, I haven't seen that much cleavage in anyone place, including the Red Carpet on Oscars night!  We made it to the reception and just when everyone started to unwind and get crazy, Stubby (my nic for my grandson) had had enough.  As we were driving back to our hotel room at 9pm I told him -- paybacks buddy!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
Hey IndyDan.  Glad all went well for the wedding trip.
Your grandson is one handsome little fellow.
Children are just little playback machines I am sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:16:51 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Boy, been in catch up mode most of today since I was out of the loop attending my daughter-in-laws, sister's wedding in Joliet.  Didn't take long I must admit. SLOW here.

Since we're ok with O/T - let me say that we were there strictly as the "Cleaners".  2yo grandson was in the wedding and our mission was to whisk him away once he got totally bored with the whole ordeal. He's like a parrot, repeats everything you say, I mean everything.  After getting lost trying to find the reception place, he opened my eyes to way I make casual comments LOL!

As for the wedding, I haven't seen that much cleavage in anyone place, including the Red Carpet on Oscars night!  We made it to the reception and just when everyone started to unwind and get crazy, Stubby (my nic for my grandson) had had enough.  As we were driving back to our hotel room at 9pm I told him -- paybacks buddy!   :lol:


It sounds like you had a good time, and the grandson is adorable!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Boy, been in catch up mode most of today since I was out of the loop attending my daughter-in-laws, sister's wedding in Joliet.  Didn't take long I must admit. SLOW here.

Since we're ok with O/T - let me say that we were there strictly as the "Cleaners".  2yo grandson was in the wedding and our mission was to whisk him away once he got totally bored with the whole ordeal. He's like a parrot, repeats everything you say, I mean everything.  After getting lost trying to find the reception place, he opened my eyes to way I make casual comments LOL!
As for the wedding, I haven't seen that much cleavage in anyone place, including the Red Carpet on Oscars night!  We made it to the reception and just when everyone started to unwind and get crazy, Stubby (my nic for my grandson) had had enough.  As we were driving back to our hotel room at 9pm I told him -- paybacks buddy!   :lol:

 :lol:
Indy
What is wrong with a 2yr old saying... "He does not need and will not ask for directions"
 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 07:19:34 PM
Well great, just lost a long post and I don't know why!  Frustrating, took me 5 minutes to type out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 07:19:42 PM
Indy Dan, lots of children are parrots when it comes to repeating what you do not want them to. :lol:

Bt glad Bts' surgery went well.

Ok here is the link I went to get. You cant download this music like Itunes but you can listen. Lots of good old music.

http://chu65nang67.us/nam/vietnam.html

Hope that works since I do not know how to do those small type links.

San I think you will like some of these.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Indy Dan, lots of children are parrots when it comes to repeating what you do not want them to. :lol:

Bt glad Bts' surgery went well.

Ok here is the link I went to get. You cant download this music like Itunes but you can listen. Lots of good old music.

http://chu65nang67.us/nam/vietnam.html

Hope that works since I do not know how to do those small type links.

San I think you will like some of these.


Thanks, Sam. I will check that out. OF caused me to download Walking In Memphis off itunes, and I'm trying to listen to it, but my hubby is in the next room playing an electric guitar (quite badly), so the experience is not all that I hoped it would be.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
Thanks for the link Sam.  I love music.  Anything except Rap and Heavy Metal.
I like Willie Nelson and have his record where he sings all the old songs.  His voice suits them so well Harbour Lights, Autumn Leaves ....mmmmmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 07:27:52 PM
BT

Like I said I enjoy the music more than the words

Could not tell you anything about this one out side of what the link indicates.
Midis are lessor quatlity music too   But I sill enjoy this

You have to paste into Media Player -  ( File / open URL)  HotLinks not allowed.  You can save it  from Media Player though  :roll:
http://www.free-midi.org/midi1/m/masterboy-feel_the_heat.mid


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT

Like I said I enjoy the music more than the words

Could not tell you anything about this one out side of what the link indicates.
Midis are lessor quatlity music too   But I sill enjoy this

You have to paste into Media Player -  ( File / open URL)  HotLinks not allowed.  You can save it  from Media Player though  :roll:
http://www.free-midi.org/midi1/m/masterboy-feel_the_heat.mid


Thanks, OF. I will check it out!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
I see Snoop Dawg luring out there.

Howdy, Snoop!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Thanks for the link Sam.  I love music.  Anything except Rap and Heavy Metal.
I like Willie Nelson and have his record where he sings all the old songs.  His voice suits them so well Harbour Lights, Autumn Leaves ....mmmmmmmm


I have that on cassette to Tibro. I do like some of his country songs but his voice is so smooth on these oldies. If it were not for his personality he would have made a great pop singer. His personality is definitley Country. That is not an insult. It is just that country for so long was classed as the lower class music.

I was Country when Country wasn't cool. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
OldFart if you like just music then you would enjoy Phil Coulter.  He is a pianist and puts out some beautiful recordings with string orchestral backgrounds etc.
Has a lot called Tranquility : Classic Tranquility, Scottish Tranquility, Peace & Tranquility etc.
They are just as they say - Tranquil and soothing.  Going to put one in the CD player right now. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I see Snoop Dawg luring out there.

Howdy, Snoop!  :D


Actually, I meant lurking. However, I've seen her, and she's very pretty, so she might be luring as well.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Thanks for the link Sam.  I love music.  Anything except Rap and Heavy Metal.
I like Willie Nelson and have his record where he sings all the old songs.  His voice suits them so well Harbour Lights, Autumn Leaves ....mmmmmmmm


I have that on cassette to Tibro. I do like some of his country songs but his voice is so smooth on these oldies. If it were not for his personality he would have made a great pop singer. His personality is definitley Country. That is not an insult. It is just that country for so long was classed as the lower class music.

I was Country when Country wasn't cool. :lol:


Yes I like country as well.  Mainly the old songs.  DH all time favourite is Tammy Wynette and we saw her in concert years ago,  She was so sweet.  Hard to imagine the life she had and how ill she really was.
We also saw Slim Whitman but his high register was gone.  Still a great concert though and he had his son with him  Byron I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 07:41:54 PM
Well it quit raining here  :(

I have to figure out what to toss out of the refrig then see what is left for dinner tonight.. :shock:

BT I stole my Walking in Memphis  MIDI
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/walkinginmemphis.mid
 from this site
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/midi.htm

PS.. I have a Cannon Dance  midi too :wink:
SeeYa gang


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 07:44:23 PM
Thanks Tib


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2007, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
I am reposting this again for the benefit of those who didn't see them. Aruba's numbers are declining continually in 2007. The occupancy rate is 82%, down from last year and they supposedly have less rooms thi year which should have made that number go up.

Their passenger arrival numbers are dismal. Business was booming in April of 2005 before they decided to disappear Natalee.


CENTRAL BANK OF ARUBA-
TOURISM NUMBERS APRIL 2005-2007

APRIL 2007

Available data show that the average occupancy rate of hotels for April 2007 edged up by  0.7 percentage point to 81.8 percent, after falling slightly by 0.5 percentage point to 82.0  percent for March 2007. The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on  tourist arrivals and nights spent on the island for March and April 2007.

Since February 2007, the number of cruise passengers has been declining. This number  fell again in April and May 2007 by, respectively, 17.3 percent and 25.8 percent, in spite of  a 3.4 percent rise in ship calls in April 2007 and a notable 75 percent hike in May 2007. A  major factor for this development was the cancellation as of January 2007 of the weekly  visits of the Carnival Cruise Lines to Aruba.

 In March 2007, the consumer price index went up by 5.0 percent, compared to the  corresponding month a year earlier. In contrast, the annual average inflation rate  decelerated to 3.7 percent, down from 3.9 percent in March 2006. The consumer price  index for April 2007 has not yet been published by the Central Bureau of Statistics.  

APRIL 2006

In January 2006, the number of stay-over visitors and their nights spent on the island fell by  15.8 percent and 10.3 percent, respectively, compared to the corresponding month in  2005. The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published the data on tourist arrivals and  nights spent on the island for February, March and April 2006. However, according to the  Department of Immigration, air passenger arrivals dropped by 14.7 percent during the first  quarter of 2006 compared to the corresponding quarter a year earlier.

APRIL 2005

The Aruba Tourism Authority has not yet published information on the number of  stay-over tourists and their nights spent on the island for the months of March and  April 2005. Data on the average hotel occupancy rate show a 0.4 percentage point  increase to 85.4 percent compared to the corresponding month of 2004. In April 2005, both cruise passenger arrivals and the number of ship calls rose  notably by 15.8 percent and 12.9 percent, respectively, compared to April 2004.



Quote from: "Dayhiker"
JAMAICA TOURISM INCREASES FROM 2005 to 2006

Total Stop-Overs-   13.5% INCREASE

Cruise passengers-    17.6% INCREASE

Tourists from U.S.-  9% INCREASE



Thank you Dayhiker

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well it quit raining here  :(

I have to figure out what to toss out of the refrig then see what is left for dinner tonight.. :shock:

BT I stole my Walking in Memphis  MIDI
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/walkinginmemphis.mid
 from this site
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/midi.htm

PS.. I have a Cannon Dance  midi too :wink:
SeeYa gang


I used to save alot of midis.Lost my link to them when I lost my other computer. Never bothered to try to get the link again. I may have them saved on floppies but to lazy to put them in.

Everything seemed so much easier when I was using Windows 98 second edition. This old female dog does not like to learn new tricks.  :lol: Well some I do .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 07:52:41 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well it quit raining here  :(

I have to figure out what to toss out of the refrig then see what is left for dinner tonight.. :shock:

BT I stole my Walking in Memphis  MIDI
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/walkinginmemphis.mid
 from this site
http://www.mikesmidi.bravepages.com/midi.htm

PS.. I have a Cannon Dance  midi too :wink:
SeeYa gang


I used to save alot of midis.Lost my link to them when I lost my other computer. Never bothered to try to get the link again. I may have them saved on floppies but to lazy to put them in.

Everything seemed so much easier when I was using Windows 98 second edition. This old female dog does not like to learn new tricks.  :lol: Well some I do .


I just think we get more selective of the tricks we wish to learn as we get older and wiser


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 07:58:39 PM
Thank you Tamikos Mom for reposting that. And they like to think the boycott is not having an effect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:02:48 PM
Anything happen today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?


Yeah - I got REALLY bored.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?


Yeah - I got REALLY bored.  :lol:


LOL  Slow day, huh?  We got some RAIN today!!!!!!  It was kind of nice to see after all this time.  Cooled things off a little too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?


Yeah - I got REALLY bored.  :lol:


LOL  Slow day, huh?  We got some RAIN today!!!!!!  It was kind of nice to see after all this time.  Cooled things off a little too.


We got about 120 drops townwide. Old Fart said it was raining where he is but did not stay long enough to let us know how much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?


Yeah - I got REALLY bored.  :lol:


LOL  Slow day, huh?  We got some RAIN today!!!!!!  It was kind of nice to see after all this time.  Cooled things off a little too.


Yes - VERY slow day! I was propping my eyes open about 3:00 pm.  :lol:

We actually got a steady rain here tonight for about five minutes, it's thundering again now, and there's a 60% chance of rain for tomorrow.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Boy, been in catch up mode most of today since I was out of the loop attending my daughter-in-laws, sister's wedding in Joliet.  Didn't take long I must admit. SLOW here.

Since we're ok with O/T - let me say that we were there strictly as the "Cleaners".  2yo grandson was in the wedding and our mission was to whisk him away once he got totally bored with the whole ordeal. He's like a parrot, repeats everything you say, I mean everything.  After getting lost trying to find the reception place, he opened my eyes to way I make casual comments LOL!
As for the wedding, I haven't seen that much cleavage in anyone place, including the Red Carpet on Oscars night!  We made it to the reception and just when everyone started to unwind and get crazy, Stubby (my nic for my grandson) had had enough.  As we were driving back to our hotel room at 9pm I told him -- paybacks buddy!   :lol:

 :lol:
Indy
What is wrong with a 2yr old saying... "He does not need and will not ask for directions"
 :wink:

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 18, 2007, 08:34:23 PM

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:37:32 PM
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


See this map? I'm right there in that great big old dark brown, exceptional drought area.  :(

(http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/drmon.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 08:40:58 PM
See BT? I told you son said the rains had arrived  :D

I'm just now back inside after chopping up limbs and eaten alive by mosquitos and this is Bella today, it was 98 here and this is just what I feel like too  :lol:  :lol: it's SO hot !

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/9a667e33.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 18, 2007, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


See this map? I'm right there in that great big old dark brown, exceptional drought area.  :(

(http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/drmon.gif)



Well I am up in the North West Corner of Us where it is all white and damnit we have plenty of rain.. I will pray for rain for you and Sun for me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
See BT? I told you son said the rains had arrived  :D

I'm just now back inside after chopping up limbs and eaten alive by mosquitos and this is Bella today, it was 98 here and this is just what I feel like too  :lol:  :lol: it's SO hot !

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/9a667e33.jpg)


Cute kitty! And poor None.  :(

The only good thing about an exceptional drought is - no mosquitos!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:44:12 PM
Sue - You've got a deal!!!!! :D  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkey Mates  :lol:

BT I am so pleased your little BT is recovering well.  She will be so happy to get home.

I notice Klaas has not commented on Nut44x4 suggestion of another video of all Paulus' memory lapses.  It is a wonder he can remember his way out of the house if his memory is so bad.
We should find a tune to go with it for her.  As long as it is not "Memory" from Cats.  My all time favourite song.
I know Johnny Cash and the Beatles had one called I forgot to remember to forget.

I don't know how Paulus finds his way home each day with that kind of memory. Does he (or Anita ) make a checklist for him ?
ie
Spray whole body with industrial strength deodorant and anti pesrpirant
Put socks on.
Put pants on
Put white shirt on
Zip up the pants.
Comb your hairs, all five of them
etc etc.
Your children's name are :
1.) J-Goon
2.) the other one
3.) poppin' fresh
And I am Anita, your lovely wife.
Do not confuse me with Rita the maid again !
Say it again. Anita. Rita, note the difference.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 08:45:22 PM
Have any of you ever heard of hanging dryer sheets to your clothing to keep the mosquitos away? I tried it and it didn't work plus my neighbor's son was staring at me  :lol:  :lol:

OldFart I believe I have walking in memphis on CD and so I'll email you the MP3 if I do !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:45:29 PM
So, what is the topic for the night?  Food, music, old movies.....  Nothing new going on with Natalee's case as far as I can tell.  I see that FOB has a fascination with Carla Baron.  I would have thought those FOB witches would have been all over the psychic thing. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 08:45:45 PM
Sam,

I just tried to access your link for the music about 6 times and the browser bombs out....get that IE message to do error log...ugh...rebooted and tried again..same thing.  Will keep trying though, because I'm sure I'll love it.

San made me recall that some of Jackie Wilson's songs were sung at the Doo Wop concert we attended Saturday night.   The tailgate party was better than the show, actually, but it was all good.

BT, glad your baby will be home in the AM and came through surgery okay.  Also hope the drought problem is resolved soon.

Yes, it was slow today.  I tried earlier, but had to move on to other things...yep, had to get my butt off the chair and come back later.

There is my OT post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Have any of you ever heard of hanging dryer sheets to your clothing to keep the mosquitos away? I tried it and it didn't work plus my neighbor's son was staring at me  :lol:  :lol:

OldFart I believe I have walking in memphis on CD and so I'll email you the MP3 if I do !


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 08:49:36 PM
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


We hope for rain here everyday, everything is dying.  Three months ago my yard had 3 inches of snow, now it's brown and we're on water alert.
This is really bizarre, north Texas flooding and we're begging for rain. Normally it's the other way around.  
Please Sue, send some of your rain this way!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?

Hey Easy!!
Nothing exciting - it's all about rain tonite.  Nevertheless it's always good to hear from you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 08:57:52 PM
Have all of you checked weather.com new interactive Radar Map
It works kinda like Google Earth?
So make sure the mouse is on the  Right Vert. Scroll bar before you start scrolling or you may just end up viewing the entire US or just one Street .

It has a lot of stuff I have not tried Yet..

This link should bring you BT's area

http://tinyurl.com/34amle

I think SAM  may be in for some rain too.
It raining 30 min stopping for a bit.. 15 min.  stop again.. But it is Rain

NoneS
Go turn the hose on.. Point  it straight up & walk around your most needy plants for a bit
& thanks for Walking In Memphis


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 08:59:40 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anything happen today?

Hey Easy!!
Nothing exciting - it's all about rain tonite.  Nevertheless it's always good to hear from you.


I stayed home ill today and I must say I enjoyed seeing the rain and it was great for sleeping.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 09:02:23 PM
W a r n i n g

That map just crashed  IE  when I was a moving around to different states


 :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 09:02:49 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


We hope for rain here everyday, everything is dying.  Three months ago my yard had 3 inches of snow, now it's brown and we're on water alert.
This is really bizarre, north Texas flooding and we're begging for rain. Normally it's the other way around.  
Please Sue, send some of your rain this way!


It's been raining here since late afternoon and you're just down the road, Indy.  Maybe some of this will head your way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 09:04:17 PM
I found this on another board.  It's already old news, but if it was posted here, I missed it.  

I see where 2k have filed a protective order to stop any information that they turn over to Dr Phil lawyers from being released to the media & general public. Makes me wonder if there isn't additional information in it that . Sounds like Deepak is going to release the information that Dr. Phils lawyers have requested


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 09:06:27 PM
This is for None :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/chucky0051.jpg)

A friends cat climbed in the pet food fridge.  Not sure if he was protecting the food or trying to keep cool.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
W a r n i n g

That map just crashed  IE  when I was a moving around to different states


 :evil:  :evil:


OF - I think that's probably a fluke that it crashed. I've been looking at the interactive map off and on all evening, and my computer has been okay. I love that new map! I can track the rain almost down to the level of the road I live on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Sam,

I just tried to access your link for the music about 6 times and the browser bombs out....get that IE message to do error log...ugh...rebooted and tried again..same thing.  Will keep trying though, because I'm sure I'll love it.

San made me recall that some of Jackie Wilson's songs were sung at the Doo Wop concert we attended Saturday night.   The tailgate party was better than the show, actually, but it was all good.

BT, glad your baby will be home in the AM and came through surgery okay.  Also hope the drought problem is resolved soon.

Yes, it was slow today.  I tried earlier, but had to move on to other things...yep, had to get my butt off the chair and come back later.

There is my OT post.


2NjSonsmom,
I just checked that site. It does say it is not compatable with Macs or Firefox. It also says you must have Windows media player. I do not know of course if any of that applys to you.

Oh add Sleepwalk to my list of favorite songs Bt And San. I think San deserted us though. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 09:10:01 PM
Tib too funny, smart kitty  :lol:  :lol:

OF I'm heading to the shower, I don't think the hose will do the job but maybe I need to install a slip n slide on the lawn to keep the neighbors talking  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


We hope for rain here everyday, everything is dying.  Three months ago my yard had 3 inches of snow, now it's brown and we're on water alert.
This is really bizarre, north Texas flooding and we're begging for rain. Normally it's the other way around.  
Please Sue, send some of your rain this way!


It's been raining here since late afternoon and you're just down the road, Indy.  Maybe some of this will head your way.

Bring it on LilPuma - we need the water.  Looking out window it right now it's very clear.   :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I found this on another board.  It's already old news, but if it was posted here, I missed it.  

I see where 2k have filed a protective order to stop any information that they turn over to Dr Phil lawyers from being released to the media & general public. Makes me wonder if there isn't additional information in it that . Sounds like Deepak is going to release the information that Dr. Phils lawyers have requested

I did not see that. That is interesting. Maybe it will wind up on TMZ.
Everything else does that is confidential.
But if it becomes part of an actual court proceeding, how could they stop it ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


Sue,  I understand about that we lived in Bellevue for 25 years!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 09:13:47 PM
:smt006
Keep the faith.  Luv ya all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
:smt006
Keep the faith.  Luv ya all!


Smoochies, Indy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 09:14:19 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Tib too funny, smart kitty  :lol:  :lol:

OF I'm heading to the shower, I don't think the hose will do the job but maybe I need to install a slip n slide on the lawn to keep the neighbors talking  :lol:  :lol:

I think after putting dryer sheets on your clothes gave them plenty to talk about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 09:15:17 PM
Dan Abrahams is taking on some of the talking heads that blasted the La Crosse players and have not apologized.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 18, 2007, 09:15:58 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
:smt006
Keep the faith.  Luv ya all!


Smoochies, Indy!

 :smt052


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 09:19:04 PM
Kat I don't think anyone even noticed but my curious neighbor, he asks a million questions and is just very inquisitive.

Off to shower now  !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Kat I don't think anyone even noticed but my curious neighbor, he asks a million questions and is just very inquisitive.

Off to shower now  !


Enjoy  your (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/shower.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Kat I don't think anyone even noticed but my curious neighbor, he asks a million questions and is just very inquisitive.

Off to shower now  !


Watch for scorpions!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 18, 2007, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I found this on another board.  It's already old news, but if it was posted here, I missed it.  

I see where 2k have filed a protective order to stop any information that they turn over to Dr Phil lawyers from being released to the media & general public. Makes me wonder if there isn't additional information in it that . Sounds like Deepak is going to release the information that Dr. Phils lawyers have requested

I did not see that. That is interesting. Maybe it will wind up on TMZ.
Everything else does that is confidential.
But if it becomes part of an actual court proceeding, how could they stop it ?


BFN has the whole court document there I am sure it is here somewhere on SM   yup they dont want to turn over anything and have it leaked and Dr Phil agreed  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Sam,

I just tried to access your link for the music about 6 times and the browser bombs out....get that IE message to do error log...ugh...rebooted and tried again..same thing.  Will keep trying though, because I'm sure I'll love it.

San made me recall that some of Jackie Wilson's songs were sung at the Doo Wop concert we attended Saturday night.   The tailgate party was better than the show, actually, but it was all good.

BT, glad your baby will be home in the AM and came through surgery okay.  Also hope the drought problem is resolved soon.

Yes, it was slow today.  I tried earlier, but had to move on to other things...yep, had to get my butt off the chair and come back later.

There is my OT post.


2NjSonsmom,
I just checked that site. It does say it is not compatable with Macs or Firefox. It also says you must have Windows media player. I do not know of course if any of that applys to you.

Oh add Sleepwalk to my list of favorite songs Bt And San. I think San deserted us though. :lol:


Sam, none apply...this is just an older IE version...it acts up....much to our dismay.

I doubt San deserted us...she's probably cleaning her guns... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 18, 2007, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


Sue,  I understand about that we lived in Bellevue for 25 years!


so you recall all the rain up here huh  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


Sue,  I understand about that we lived in Bellevue for 25 years!


so you recall all the rain up here huh  :wink:


I am still trying to dry out after 16 years!  LOL   we have 5 of our 6 kids still up there.  We are back there frequently.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 09:32:24 PM
I know that one of the things Dr. Phil was asking for was lawyers bills, etc.
Well, like I said, everything else gets leaked.
So, this says to me that the Kalpoes do not expect this to get as far as a
trial.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 18, 2007, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I found this on another board.  It's already old news, but if it was posted here, I missed it.  

I see where 2k have filed a protective order to stop any information that they turn over to Dr Phil lawyers from being released to the media & general public. Makes me wonder if there isn't additional information in it that . Sounds like Deepak is going to release the information that Dr. Phils lawyers have requested

I did not see that. That is interesting. Maybe it will wind up on TMZ.
Everything else does that is confidential.
But if it becomes part of an actual court proceeding, how could they stop it ?


I don't really know.  Maybe a monkey lawyer will show up and tell us?  I was thinking that not everything turned over during discovery becomes part of the case presented in court, so maybe it means that anything that doesn't end up as evidence can't be turned over?  Really not sure.   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Sam,

I just tried to access your link for the music about 6 times and the browser bombs out....get that IE message to do error log...ugh...rebooted and tried again..same thing.  Will keep trying though, because I'm sure I'll love it.

San made me recall that some of Jackie Wilson's songs were sung at the Doo Wop concert we attended Saturday night.   The tailgate party was better than the show, actually, but it was all good.

BT, glad your baby will be home in the AM and came through surgery okay.  Also hope the drought problem is resolved soon.

Yes, it was slow today.  I tried earlier, but had to move on to other things...yep, had to get my butt off the chair and come back later.

There is my OT post.


2NjSonsmom,
I just checked that site. It does say it is not compatable with Macs or Firefox. It also says you must have Windows media player. I do not know of course if any of that applys to you.

Oh add Sleepwalk to my list of favorite songs Bt And San. I think San deserted us though. :lol:

I'm sorry Sam I didn't desert you.  I am doing some chores.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 18, 2007, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


I doubt San deserted us...she's probably cleaning her guns... :lol:


Let's go in like cowboys!  It's about time, eh?  Dibbies on Paulus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 09:42:36 PM
BT
About 10+ years ago I had to drive to Chicago at least once a week.  Be there by 9am (about a 3hr trip) stay to at least 5pm  and return the same night.

I had this song on some CD.. not sure which release for cruising music & Esp the Chicago Traffic  :shock:  (not sure what happend to the CD  :? )

(http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gif/Misc/car.gif) (http://www.sternton.com/midi/midimix/What%20Is%20Love%20-%20Haddaway.mid)

Sue's Avatar is a better fit though   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/S4.gif)
 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:45:30 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
About 10+ years ago I had to drive to Chicago at least once a week.  Be there by 9am (about a 3hr trip) stay to at least 5pm  and return the same night.

I had this song on some CD.. not sure which release for cruising music & Esp the Chicago Traffic  :shock:  (not sure what happend to the CD  :? )

(http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gif/Misc/car.gif) (http://www.sternton.com/midi/midimix/What%20Is%20Love%20-%20Haddaway.mid)

Sue's Avatar is a better fit though   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/S4.gif)
 :lol:


I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 18, 2007, 09:48:24 PM
In response to Lazlo's information last friday regarding search MF wrote:

The "search" was a revisit of the Beach conform the in the PV's mentioned locations. But that was more than a week ago.

I realize MF's credibility is now shot, but it is possible there is some truth here and maybe a positive indication that KLPD/ALE are still working on the case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 18, 2007, 09:48:27 PM
I'm hoping the Kalpoe/Dr Phil suit does proceed to court and there is no settlement,  Sure would make for great court TV.  I can just hear Tito & Julia screeching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
About 10+ years ago I had to drive to Chicago at least once a week.  Be there by 9am (about a 3hr trip) stay to at least 5pm  and return the same night.

I had this song on some CD.. not sure which release for cruising music & Esp the Chicago Traffic  :shock:  (not sure what happend to the CD  :? )

(http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gif/Misc/car.gif) (http://www.sternton.com/midi/midimix/What%20Is%20Love%20-%20Haddaway.mid)

Sue's Avatar is a better fit though   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/S4.gif)
 :lol:


I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


LOL!! Makes me think of those 2 silly guys from saturday night live 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"

I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


Before I tell you.. Do you like the music ??
Besides some Monkey will tell you if I do not :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 18, 2007, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Sue"

If you guys wanted rain that bad why didnt you ask
I would gladly give you ours, we havent had summer yet


Sue,  I understand about that we lived in Bellevue for 25 years!


so you recall all the rain up here huh  :wink:


I am still trying to dry out after 16 years!  LOL   we have 5 of our 6 kids still up there.  We are back there frequently.


well i am certainly trying to get out when my hubby retires if i am not rusted by then.... I am south of Bellevue in Tacoma...  I think we get more rain in Tacoma :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:51:02 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"

I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


Before I tell you.. Do you like the music ??
Besides some Monkey will tell you if I do not :lol:


Well, I might like it if it didn't sound so much like Euro-styled techno-pop. I'm not really into the synthesizer sound.  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"

I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


Before I tell you.. Do you like the music ??
Besides some Monkey will tell you if I do not :lol:


Well, I might like it if it didn't sound so much like Euro-styled techno-pop. I'm not really into the synthesizer sound.  :oops:


Sorry... but that is what a midi is   synthesized sound of the recording :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"


I doubt San deserted us...she's probably cleaning her guns... :lol:


Let's go in like cowboys!  It's about time, eh?  Dibbies on Paulus.


Can I bags Anita?  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 18, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
O/T

Going back to the  surgeon tomorrow to find out when she wants to slice & dice my arm. Not looking forward to it, but beats the alternatives.  I'll keep you informed. Been busy trying to get everything clean before I have to go to the hospital.  Ugh!!!!!! I'm exhausted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"

I didn't recognize that song, OF. What is the title of it?


Before I tell you.. Do you like the music ??
Besides some Monkey will tell you if I do not :lol:


Well, I might like it if it didn't sound so much like Euro-styled techno-pop. I'm not really into the synthesizer sound.  :oops:


Sorry... but that is what a midi is   synthesized sound of the recording :oops:


Different strokes for different folks.  :wink:

I'm more of a flute and violin kind of person myself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
In response to Lazlo's information last friday regarding search MF wrote:

The "search" was a revisit of the Beach conform the in the PV's mentioned locations. But that was more than a week ago.

I realize MF's credibility is now shot, but it is possible there is some truth here and maybe a positive indication that KLPD/ALE are still working on the case.


Jossy has said all along that KLPD/ALE are still working on the case. MF could be right and their could be more searching going on besides the Beach one MF is referring to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
O/T

Going back to the  surgeon tomorrow to find out when she wants to slice & dice my arm. Not looking forward to it, but beats the alternatives.  I'll keep you informed. Been busy trying to get everything clean before I have to go to the hospital.  Ugh!!!!!! I'm exhausted.


Prayers and positive thoughts to you, SunFreak.

Big Hugs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 09:56:22 PM
I am going to post this link again

http://chu65nang67.us/nam/vietnam.html

In playlist 2 is Natalees song

Freebird by Lynrd Skynrd

Listening to it now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sb on June 18, 2007, 09:56:39 PM
Sitting here listening to a bunch of classical music while reading y'all's posts...

Looks like it's been slow in here today!

I can't believe this weather, it clouds up and looks ik it is about to storm, and then... nothing.  About 6 PM tonight in Birmingham it looked like a hurricane was on the way, yet I saw not one drop of rain.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
O/T

Going back to the  surgeon tomorrow to find out when she wants to slice & dice my arm. Not looking forward to it, but beats the alternatives.  I'll keep you informed. Been busy trying to get everything clean before I have to go to the hospital.  Ugh!!!!!! I'm exhausted.


((hugs)) Sunfreak!  I know it won't be fun but YES, much better than it could have been.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
I am going to post this link again

http://chu65nang67.us/nam/vietnam.html

In playlist 2 is Natalees song

Freebird by Lynrd Skynrd

Listening to it now.


Thanks, Sam.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Sitting here listening to a bunch of classical music while reading y'all's posts...

Looks like it's been slow in here today!

I can't believe this weather, it clouds up and looks ik it is about to storm, and then... nothing.  About 6 PM tonight in Birmingham it looked like a hurricane was on the way, yet I saw not one drop of rain.


We actually got enough for it to show in the bottom of the rain guage. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: sb on June 18, 2007, 09:59:44 PM
BT, I got "Dances Sacred and Worldly", "Reverie", and "Au Clair La Lune"spinning on the CD player right now. That should be plenty enough flute for you. I prefer piano and stuff like Rachmaninoff but right now I need a little winding down, so Debussy it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:00:21 PM
BT
Sorry I was looking for something more real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9r3dz6USF8

And yes  acutal music is much better  but try finding it w/o the Lyrics
Which sometimes mess the song up JMO

SAM
thanks for that link... booked marked it...
Did you get Rain..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 18, 2007, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Sitting here listening to a bunch of classical music while reading y'all's posts...

Looks like it's been slow in here today!

I can't believe this weather, it clouds up and looks ik it is about to storm, and then... nothing.  About 6 PM tonight in Birmingham it looked like a hurricane was on the way, yet I saw not one drop of rain.


We always get a watered down version of your weather - pardon the pun, but no rain for us today either.  I was sure it was going to storm.  We got hail here the other day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 18, 2007, 10:04:12 PM
Thanks for the well wishes.  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: robots on June 18, 2007, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
In response to Lazlo's information last friday regarding search MF wrote:

The "search" was a revisit of the Beach conform the in the PV's mentioned locations. But that was more than a week ago.

I realize MF's credibility is now shot, but it is possible there is some truth here and maybe a positive indication that KLPD/ALE are still working on the case.


Jossy has said all along that KLPD/ALE are still working on the case. MF could be right and their could be more searching going on besides the Beach one MF is referring to.



OHHH YEAAAAAAAAAA

this aint over yet

not by a long shot  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
Sorry I was looking for something more real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9r3dz6USF8

And yes  acutal music is much better  but try finding it w/o the Lyrics
Which sometimes mess the song up JMO

SAM
thanks for that link... booked marked it...
Did you get Rain..


about 120 drops townwide. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: "sb"
BT, I got "Dances Sacred and Worldly", "Reverie", and "Au Clair La Lune"spinning on the CD player right now. That should be plenty enough flute for you. I prefer piano and stuff like Rachmaninoff but right now I need a little winding down, so Debussy it is.


That sounds really lovely, SB.

My favorite composers include Pachelbel, Albinoni, and Vivaldi. Lots of violins there.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
Sorry I was looking for something more real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9r3dz6USF8

And yes  acutal music is much better  but try finding it w/o the Lyrics
Which sometimes mess the song up JMO

SAM
thanks for that link... booked marked it...
Did you get Rain..


TY, OF

I don't think I've ever heard that song before.  :shock:

Now I feel REALLY old and out of it!!! :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
O/T

Going back to the  surgeon tomorrow to find out when she wants to slice & dice my arm. Not looking forward to it, but beats the alternatives.  I'll keep you informed. Been busy trying to get everything clean before I have to go to the hospital.  Ugh!!!!!! I'm exhausted.


Hey, you'll be fine and we're behind you.  Leave some time to chill before the surgery.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 10:15:33 PM
BFN seems to be unavailbe to me at the moment.
I was reading the hypothesis from some person in the NL.
and wanted to post something before I forgot what it was. :oops:  :oops:

"Joran then also realizes that Deepak could be waiting for him to pick him up and decides to call him (at 2:26) to tell him not to bother and that he’s walking home." ps, does that take 8 minutes ?

This guy thinks that Satish is at the beach. Deepak doesn't know that Satish went back out. Wait a minute here.
Deepak and Satish go home.
Satish goes back out to meet up with Joran and Natalee unbeknownst to Deepak. As prearranged.
Deepak is in the house awake. He would hear his car drive away. Blows that theory up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:16:43 PM
SunFreak
I'll be thinking about you tomorrow and you know you have Monkey Power in your corner.

BT  
Was that like two / three drops happened to hit the rain  guage or something more  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 18, 2007, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: "sb"
BT, I got "Dances Sacred and Worldly", "Reverie", and "Au Clair La Lune"spinning on the CD player right now. That should be plenty enough flute for you. I prefer piano and stuff like Rachmaninoff but right now I need a little winding down, so Debussy it is.


You brouight me back to a high school music class...Sister Leonella taught.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
SunFreak
I'll be thinking about you tomorrow and you know you have Monkey Power in your corner.

BT  
Was that like two / three drops happened to hit the rain  guage or something more  :lol:


Noooooooo....we had an actual rain shower for almost 10 minutes.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:23:10 PM
BT
Thank you for making me go look for acutal song...
The last song in that clip...  FLY A WAy
Starts at like 6:18 into the clip
is the SONG I will dance in the Streets to  and have to Cops called when Justice for Natalee happens (and it will).

But that is just me..

Ps.  I would have used it on the drive to Chicago too  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
SunFreak
I'll be thinking about you tomorrow and you know you have Monkey Power in your corner.

BT  
Was that like two / three drops happened to hit the rain  guage or something more  :lol:


Noooooooo....we had an actual rain shower for almost 10 minutes.  :lol:


If it's like here that is just enough to make it "Clingie"  or like a steam bath tomorrow. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on June 18, 2007, 10:25:43 PM
hiya folks...  :wink:
............

COURT TV NATALEE HOLLOWAY

PROMO COMING

WED AT 10P edt  (6.20.2007)

1 HOUR SPECIAL

………

PROMO A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuFxahnDsI

PROMO B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1iHlxaezNk

-Justice 4 Natalee

.////////


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
Thank you for making me go look for acutal song...
The last song in that clip...  FLY A WAy
Starts at like 6:18 into the clip
is the SONG I will dance in the Streets to  and have to Cops called when Justice for Natalee happens (and it will).

But that is just me..

Ps.  I would have used it on the drive to Chicago too  :wink:


I'll bet a bunch of us will be dancing with you when that happens!

(And lucky you getting to spend time in Chicago - it's one of my favorite places.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
hiya folks...  :wink:
............

COURT TV NATALEE HOLLOWAY

PROMO COMING

WED AT 10P edt  (6.20.2007)

1 HOUR SPECIAL

………

PROMO A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuFxahnDsI

PROMO B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1iHlxaezNk

-Justice 4 Natalee

.////////


Thanks Carpe
Great work as usual...
But
 
Quote
"Aruba Kills rapes and murders tourists Van der sloot Kalpoe"
just reads wrong to me...  almost like they were the victims  :shock:  :?  JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 10:31:02 PM
Ty Carpe. I am either having :
a.) brain issues
OR
b.) computer issues.
OR
c.) both
d.) all of the above
I will check that out later.
Thank you again for doing this for us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:31:51 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
Thank you for making me go look for acutal song...
The last song in that clip...  FLY A WAy
Starts at like 6:18 into the clip
is the SONG I will dance in the Streets to  and have to Cops called when Justice for Natalee happens (and it will).

But that is just me..

Ps.  I would have used it on the drive to Chicago too  :wink:


I'll bet a bunch of us will be dancing with you when that happens!

(And lucky you getting to spend time in Chicago - it's one of my favorite places.)


It would be like you flying in each week and out the same night after working all DAY...   Loads & Loads of Fun :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
hiya folks...  :wink:
............

COURT TV NATALEE HOLLOWAY

PROMO COMING

WED AT 10P edt  (6.20.2007)

1 HOUR SPECIAL

………

PROMO A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmuFxahnDsI

PROMO B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1iHlxaezNk

-Justice 4 Natalee

.////////

Thank you Carpe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
Thank you for making me go look for acutal song...
The last song in that clip...  FLY A WAy
Starts at like 6:18 into the clip
is the SONG I will dance in the Streets to  and have to Cops called when Justice for Natalee happens (and it will).

But that is just me..

Ps.  I would have used it on the drive to Chicago too  :wink:


I'll bet a bunch of us will be dancing with you when that happens!

(And lucky you getting to spend time in Chicago - it's one of my favorite places.)


It would be like you flying in each week and out the same night after working all DAY...   Loads & Loads of Fun :P


Well, now that you put it that way......................


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:

Next person to go to jail will be Britney or Lindsey.  I can't stand the both of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:38:55 PM
BT
I found the original song that I had...
Not as much EURO Jazzed up influence back then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYYd1swTuM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on June 18, 2007, 10:42:11 PM
The rich are different. Paris Hilton's mom and dad spoke with Greta on the phone. The dad made a point he wanted to make -- it was his dad, Paris's grandfather, who made the contribution to the sheriff and that was a year and a half ago. Then he said, Greta, we're getting ready to meet my dad for dinner so we're going to end this interview now. His wife went on to say something else and he said, Honey, we have to go, he's waiting.

Huh? Dad's waiting so I have to get off this national news show?  :roll:

Don't keep Dad waiting for his dinner ...  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:42:29 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
I found the original song that I had...
Not as much EURO Jazzed up influence back then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYYd1swTuM


Yes, I like that version much better! TY.

Seal is one of my very favorite singers, and the singer's voice sounds a bit like him in that version.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 10:43:49 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


I was watching that and you would think the girl was some type of martyr.  Geez, she is a bimbo that wasn't smart enough to hire a chauffer.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:

Next person to go to jail will be Britney or Lindsey.  I can't stand the both of them.


They are all over-priviledged, over-indulged, over-sexed pieces of trash.

Maybe it is time I went to do some errands


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Port Valerie on June 18, 2007, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


I was watching that and you would think the girl was some type of martyr.  Geez, she is a bimbo that wasn't smart enough to hire a chauffer.   :roll:


Letterman had the best joke:

Paris is in jail and I hear they're making a movie of her life. It's going to be called "The Birdbrain of Alcatraz."  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 10:46:10 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
The rich are different. Paris Hilton's mom and dad spoke with Greta on the phone. The dad made a point he wanted to make -- it was his dad, Paris's grandfather, who made the contribution to the sheriff and that was a year and a half ago. Then he said, Greta, we're getting ready to meet my dad for dinner so we're going to end this interview now. His wife went on to say something else and he said, Honey, we have to go, he's waiting.

Huh? Dad's waiting so I have to get off this national news show?  :roll:

Don't keep Dad waiting for his dinner ...  :roll:


.......or what? Maybe he'll be disinherited? Sorry Evening Monkeys, I was here this afternoon and it was so quiet you could hear a banana drop.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:46:11 PM
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
The rich are different. Paris Hilton's mom and dad spoke with Greta on the phone. The dad made a point he wanted to make -- it was his dad, Paris's grandfather, who made the contribution to the sheriff and that was a year and a half ago. Then he said, Greta, we're getting ready to meet my dad for dinner so we're going to end this interview now. His wife went on to say something else and he said, Honey, we have to go, he's waiting.

Huh? Dad's waiting so I have to get off this national news show?  :roll:

Don't keep Dad waiting for his dinner ...  :roll:


HeeHee first time someone has cut Greta short in an interview. Usually she cuts them off mid-sentence.  I enjoyed that.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


I was watching that and you would think the girl was some type of martyr.  Geez, she is a bimbo that wasn't smart enough to hire a chauffer.   :roll:


Letterman had the best joke:

Paris is in jail and I hear they're making a movie of her life. It's going to be called "The Birdbrain of Alcatraz."  :lol:


LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:

Next person to go to jail will be Britney or Lindsey.  I can't stand the both of them.


They are all over-priviledged, over-indulged, over-sexed pieces of trash.

Maybe it is time I went to do some errands

I agree.  Especially the pieces of trash part.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
BT
I found the original song that I had...
Not as much EURO Jazzed up influence back then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYYd1swTuM


Yes, I like that version much better! TY.

Seal is one of my very favorite singers, and the singer's voice sounds a bit like him in that version.


Yes ... that is who he reminds me of ...  :D

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/whew.gif) I did not want to give the SockMonkey Mom the wrong impression of this OldFart :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Okay, I just realized that that Youtube is apparently from a movie about "boys falling in love with boys," but that is NOT what the Seal song is about.  :oops:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


I was watching that and you would think the girl was some type of martyr.  Geez, she is a bimbo that wasn't smart enough to hire a chauffer.   :roll:


Letterman had the best joke:

Paris is in jail and I hear they're making a movie of her life. It's going to be called "The Birdbrain of Alcatraz."  :lol:


 :smt082  :smt082  :smt082  :smt082


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 10:50:02 PM
Seal is cool, and his wife isn't bad either.


(http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Seal.Heidi.Klum.pregnant.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Seal is cool, and his wife isn't bad either.


(http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Seal.Heidi.Klum.pregnant.jpg)


Yes, and I think their goal in life is to have at least two babies a year.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
The rich are different. Paris Hilton's mom and dad spoke with Greta on the phone. The dad made a point he wanted to make -- it was his dad, Paris's grandfather, who made the contribution to the sheriff and that was a year and a half ago. Then he said, Greta, we're getting ready to meet my dad for dinner so we're going to end this interview now. His wife went on to say something else and he said, Honey, we have to go, he's waiting.

Huh? Dad's waiting so I have to get off this national news show?  :roll:

Don't keep Dad waiting for his dinner ...  :roll:


.......or what? Maybe he'll be disinherited? Sorry Evening Monkeys, I was here this afternoon and it was so quiet you could hear a banana drop.


Yep - Daddy controls the purse strings.  Must not upset Daddy...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Um, BT did you watch that video?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 10:52:47 PM
I think someone needs to take a hard look at Nifong's past cases.  Just how many people might have been railroaded by this guy before the Duke case put him under a microscope?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Um, BT did you watch that video?


Not until after I had posted that. The problem is that it's the only one I could find on Youtube with that song. I didn't know it was from a movie about gay boys (not that there is anything wrong with that) :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I think someone needs to take a hard look at Nifong's past cases.  Just how many people might have been railroaded by this guy before the Duke case put him under a microscope?


That's very true, Easy. He has proven that he is totally untrustworthy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I think someone needs to take a hard look at Nifong's past cases.  Just how many people might have been railroaded by this guy before the Duke case put him under a microscope?


My husband said the same thing last night Easy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 10:55:47 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Um, BT did you watch that video?


Not until after I had posted that. The problem is that it's the only one I could find on Youtube with that song. I didn't know it was from a movie about gay boys (not that there is anything wrong with that) :wink:  :lol:


LOL.  I agree I think Seal is just wonderful.  just needed to rib you a bit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


I do like the Song...
But you must be one super calm person or you do not have any traffic to deal with  :lol:
Other thoughts -- than driving in the car come to  me 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:57:08 PM
Quote from: "Port Valerie"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
:evil:  :evil:
I turn on the TV and Greta has people on there babbling about Paris and how hard it is for her in prison.
Get a life.....
She finally got caught flouting the law and is paying for it.
At least they know where she is and that she will be coming home to them.
 :evil:  :evil:


I was watching that and you would think the girl was some type of martyr.  Geez, she is a bimbo that wasn't smart enough to hire a chauffer.   :roll:


Letterman had the best joke:

Paris is in jail and I hear they're making a movie of her life. It's going to be called "The Birdbrain of Alcatraz."  :lol:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/lolololol.gif)(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/lolololol.gif)

It is a real shame that she does not have to do ANYTHING to learn about other people & what there life can be like.
Maybe then.. Just maybe she would grow-up

OMG... I just thought "Paris in Police Boot Camp" would be a great film :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I think someone needs to take a hard look at Nifong's past cases.  Just how many people might have been railroaded by this guy before the Duke case put him under a microscope?


That's very true, Easy. He has proven that he is totally untrustworthy.


Yes, he decided who was guilty and then set out to make his case at all costs.  The Duke boys all had money and many of them have lawyers for parents.  How many poor jerks got nailed by Nifong that did not have the resources to take the jerk on?  Who do I write about that?  The guy had a 30 year career as a prosecutor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Um, BT did you watch that video?


Not until after I had posted that. The problem is that it's the only one I could find on Youtube with that song. I didn't know it was from a movie about gay boys (not that there is anything wrong with that) :wink:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Okay, I just realized that that Youtube is apparently from a movie about "boys falling in love with boys," but that is NOT what the Seal song is about.  :oops:  :lol:


What..  :shock:  I did not & do not watch the video parts.. Just listen.
 :shock:  
Please keep that in mind when reading my post about YOUR SONG :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 10:59:42 PM
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Okay, I just realized that that Youtube is apparently from a movie about "boys falling in love with boys," but that is NOT what the Seal song is about.  :oops:  :lol:


Storytime for Tiny Tots now has tales involving same-sex parents.  Maybe you will have to have stories about same-sex sock monkeys?  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 11:02:11 PM
Night monkeys and smoochies to all.

I'm taking the day off tomorrow to dogsit the BT, so you guys show back up here so that I can spend quality time with you.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


This is a goodie... Klaasend
Do you have a clip of him sweating 10 gallons a second you could throw in some place :?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
OF - Here is the Youtube version of one of my favorite songs. I play it over and over in the car on my way to work in the mornings.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJN2wO1NaM


Okay, I just realized that that Youtube is apparently from a movie about "boys falling in love with boys," but that is NOT what the Seal song is about.  :oops:  :lol:


Storytime for Tiny Tots now has tales involving same-sex parents.  Maybe you will have to have stories about same-sex sock monkeys?  :oops:  :oops:


Oh my! I'm not sure the sock monkeys will agree to that!!!!  :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 18, 2007, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


That was great!  I think.  I don't remember!! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Night monkeys and smoochies to all.

I'm taking the day off tomorrow to dogsit the BT, so you guys show back up here so that I can spend quality time with you.  :wink:

G'nite BT
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/BT_ToothBrush.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 18, 2007, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Good one, Klaas!!!!!  :lol:

Night monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


This is a goodie... Klaasend
Do you have a clip of him sweating 10 gallons a second you could throw in some place :?  :lol:


LOL - not so easy to change once uploaded.  To change it I have to delete from Youtube and redo the video slide show then reupload to Youtube.  Would take about an hour. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 18, 2007, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0

You deserve an Oscar :lol:

Good job Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 11:08:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Perfect Klaas.

 :oops: I was so excited about seeing my name in lights I accidentally logged myself out of SM  :oops:   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


This is a goodie... Klaasend
Do you have a clip of him sweating 10 gallons a second you could throw in some place :?  :lol:


LOL - not so easy to change once uploaded.  To change it I have to delete from Youtube and redo the video slide show then reupload to Youtube.  Would take about an hour. :lol:


It is great the way it is .. I was just wondering  :roll:  
There are certain images  that one does not forget ... I hate to say it but Paulis pouring out sweat is one of them  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/puke_left.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Perfect Klaas.

 :oops: I was so excited about seeing my name in lights I accidentally logged myself out of SM  :oops:   :lol:  :lol:

LOL - thought it was only fair to give credit to you and Igsigs  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 11:10:07 PM
Nifong had handled predominately petty cases prior to the Duke case, what he did was wrong but he was not a top prosecutor prior to this either, in fact the Sullivan case went to his rival at that time who is a female. She left last year for private practice and that's essentially how he even won the election.

Trust me, Duke has one of the largest endowments and the deepest pockets in the US, those young men got quite a pay-out I can assure you, in exchange for their promise not to sue.

All that being said, if my son was hiring strippers for parties he would not have to worry about the police, I'd handle his rear end.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Great as always. Really makes PvdS look like aaaaaa idiot. Joran can't shut up his lies, and paulus can't speak a sentence.

Frame 9 or 10 I think you want the last sentence to read:
i am not 100% sure of that.

HAH listen to me who can't even submit one post without a typo.  :smt107


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Nice Job!!

Pff!! He is just all too clever!!! I wonder how much business his law firm is doing with that kind of memory?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Great as always. Really makes PvdS look like aaaaaa idiot. Joran can't shut up his lies, and paulus can't speak a sentence.

Frame 9 or 10 I think you want the last sentence to read:
i am not 100% sure of that.

HAH listen to me who can't even submit one post without a typo.  :smt107


Well I copied Igsigs post for that and honestly didn't check for errors.  Too much trouble to fix, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


Great as always. Really makes PvdS look like aaaaaa idiot. Joran can't shut up his lies, and paulus can't speak a sentence.

Frame 9 or 10 I think you want the last sentence to read:
i am not 100% sure of that.

HAH listen to me who can't even submit one post without a typo.  :smt107


Well I copied Igsigs post for that and honestly didn't check for errors.  Too much trouble to fix, IMO


Very minor, it's just great as is, not worth the trouble.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Elaine on June 18, 2007, 11:14:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0

Hello Monkeys!
Love it Klaas! :lol:
Wow, the clip you did on Joran Lies and lies, has 3,318 views, That is a lot of play!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:15:42 PM
Once a video is uploaded to Youtube you can't make corrections to it.  Sometimes it takes as long as an hour to completely upload to Youtube.  The only way to fix it is to delete it then fix the original on my hard drive.  Then upload again to Youtube.  It's very time consuming.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "klaasend"
PVDS memory lapse video preview:  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0


This is a goodie... Klaasend
Do you have a clip of him sweating 10 gallons a second you could throw in some place :?  :lol:


LOL - not so easy to change once uploaded.  To change it I have to delete from Youtube and redo the video slide show then reupload to Youtube.  Would take about an hour. :lol:


It is great the way it is .. I was just wondering  :roll:  
There are certain images  that one does not forget ... I hate to say it but Paulis pouring out sweat is one of them  (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/puke_left.gif)


Yep - and Anita mopping his fevered brow.
I am sure Klaas will work that in to one of her masterpieces.
I liked the dumb faced pictures of Paulus Klaas used in this one.  He does not look very smart at all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

<<SNIP>>
Yep - and Anita mopping his fevered brow.
I am sure Klaas will work that in to one of her masterpieces.
I liked the dumb faced pictures of Paulus Klaas used in this one.  He does not look very smart at all.


 I also forgot the clip of Paulis running to the Car after being questioned as compared to meeting the Press and simply stating "NO Comment"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 11:22:14 PM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/pvdSloot1.jpg

Thats a interesting pic of PVDS...As his memory seems to be getting smaller his belly gets larger :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 18, 2007, 11:22:55 PM
Tibrogargan wrote;
Quote
I liked the dumb faced pictures of Paulus Klaas used in this one. He does not look very smart at all.

He looks like lenny from Of Mice and Men
(http://www.alangardner.com/images/250_Lenny2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 18, 2007, 11:25:53 PM
Klaas do you remember the video clip of Paulus running from the media like the crook he is? I wish you could do a running loop of that  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Klaas do you remember the video clip of Paulus running from the media like the crook he is? I wish you could do a running loop of that  :lol:

Yes, I remember it.  If someone can find it I can do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 11:28:37 PM
Good vid ! !
I have a song in my head for Joran to sing ( the Sloot Blues  )
When I wake up tomorrow
I want to be
Someone else
It's too tough being a Sloot
..
It's too tough being a Sloot
Delta blues riff
It's too tough being a Sloot
..
And dat's the troof.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on June 18, 2007, 11:29:25 PM
Hi Ya Monkeys...metro checking in....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2007, 11:29:43 PM
Wish we had a clear picture of him hiding in the bushes :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 18, 2007, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Nifong had handled predominately petty cases prior to the Duke case, what he did was wrong but he was not a top prosecutor prior to this either, in fact the Sullivan case went to his rival at that time who is a female. She left last year for private practice and that's essentially how he even won the election.

Trust me, Duke has one of the largest endowments and the deepest pockets in the US, those young men got quite a pay-out I can assure you, in exchange for their promise not to sue.

All that being said, if my son was hiring strippers for parties he would not have to worry about the police, I'd handle his rear end.  :roll:


I thought Nifong was re-elected DA during the LaCrosse turmoil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 11:32:51 PM
Hi metro - what continent are you on now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:35:46 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses … Because the Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste


www.scaredmonkeys.com

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:35:51 PM
Well Monkeys about time for me to call it a night too

But have to ask / say...

Would it be more work to set up a thread for stuff that does not fit in the lounge yet does not really fit hear too.

If I was a new visitor and came to Natalee's LCD thread looking for stuff on Natalee ... I'm not sure how I would feel :?

I'v contributed a LOT of O/T here because of the lack of new items.

I'm just wondering...outloud (in written word actually)  
I enjoy sharing all sorts of stuff with all my Monkey Buddies but I'm also trying to look from the outside in too.

Monkey Business/Chatter comes to mind
LIke I said Just an OldFart Wondering  :?  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on June 18, 2007, 11:37:52 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi metro - what continent are you on now?

*****************************
Hi Tibro....I'm actually on the west cost of the States for a couple of nights and then traveling back east for a few days....how are you? I have not made it your way yet...hopefully next month...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:38:41 PM
Oh Chit...
I can't leave just yet
Metro  if there is a Metro  :wink:  is in the house :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well Monkeys about time for me to call it a night too

But have to ask / say...

Would it be more work to set up a thread for stuff that does not fit in the lounge yet does not really fit hear too.

If I was a new visitor and came to Natalee's LCD thread looking for stuff on Natalee ... I'm not sure how I would feel :?

I'v contributed a LOT of O/T here because of the lack of new items.

I'm just wondering...outloud (in written word actually)  
I enjoy sharing all sorts of stuff with all my Monkey Buddies but I'm also trying to look from the outside in too.

Monkey Business/Chatter comes to mind
LIke I said Just an OldFart Wondering  :?  :)

I know what you mean, but if and when there ever is something , even a
bs tidbit ( like the other day, courtesy of the M..F person ) we all get back on topic. Last nite when Spock asked what was new, we answered.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on June 18, 2007, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi metro - what continent are you on now?

*****************************
Hi Tibro....I'm actually on the west cost of the States for a couple of nights and then traveling back east for a few days....how are you? I have not made it your way yet...hopefully next month...


Getting cold here now - bring your winter woollies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on June 18, 2007, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Oh Chit...
I can't leave just yet
Metro  if there is a Metro  :wink:  is in the house :lol:

*********************
Yes there is a metro in da house :)

A really tired over worked one but there is one here!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:46:18 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well Monkeys about time for me to call it a night too

But have to ask / say...

Would it be more work to set up a thread for stuff that does not fit in the lounge yet does not really fit hear too.

If I was a new visitor and came to Natalee's LCD thread looking for stuff on Natalee ... I'm not sure how I would feel :?

I'v contributed a LOT of O/T here because of the lack of new items.

I'm just wondering...outloud (in written word actually)  
I enjoy sharing all sorts of stuff with all my Monkey Buddies but I'm also trying to look from the outside in too.

Monkey Business/Chatter comes to mind
LIke I said Just an OldFart Wondering  :?  :)


We are going to be moving some stuff around in the forum soon.  All in good time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on June 18, 2007, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi metro - what continent are you on now?

*****************************
Hi Tibro....I'm actually on the west cost of the States for a couple of nights and then traveling back east for a few days....how are you? I have not made it your way yet...hopefully next month...


Getting cold here now - bring your winter woollies.

*****************************
Ahhh yes I recall...was in Sydney in July of 02 and it was about 50 farenhiet and felt so good because it was 95 back home!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:48:12 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Oh Chit...
I can't leave just yet
Metro  if there is a Metro  :wink:  is in the house :lol:

*********************
Yes there is a metro in da house :)

A really tired over worked one but there is one here!!


All I will say is
In the last week some Monkeys said you missed showing up at Monkey meetings or stopping bye on the way past  and thought you were a phantom :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 18, 2007, 11:53:17 PM
Well goodnight and don't dream of Aruba becasue it will be a NIGHTMARE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2007, 11:54:48 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: oldfart on June 18, 2007, 11:58:17 PM
G'nite Monkeys
 :smt006
SeeeYaaaByeeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on June 19, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Oh Chit...
I can't leave just yet
Metro  if there is a Metro  :wink:  is in the house :lol:

*********************
Yes there is a metro in da house :)

A really tired over worked one but there is one here!!


All I will say is
In the last week some Monkeys said you missed showing up at Monkey meetings or stopping bye on the way past  and thought you were a phantom :lol:

****************************
Heh...Heh...I'll never admit to anything but I move like the wind....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 19, 2007, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Nifong had handled predominately petty cases prior to the Duke case, what he did was wrong but he was not a top prosecutor prior to this either, in fact the Sullivan case went to his rival at that time who is a female. She left last year for private practice and that's essentially how he even won the election.

Trust me, Duke has one of the largest endowments and the deepest pockets in the US, those young men got quite a pay-out I can assure you, in exchange for their promise not to sue.

All that being said, if my son was hiring strippers for parties he would not have to worry about the police, I'd handle his rear end.  :roll:


I thought Nifong was re-elected DA during the LaCrosse turmoil.


nope, he was an assistant until this last election and some in NC are predicting he may well do prison time now


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Nifong had handled predominately petty cases prior to the Duke case, what he did was wrong but he was not a top prosecutor prior to this either, in fact the Sullivan case went to his rival at that time who is a female. She left last year for private practice and that's essentially how he even won the election.

Trust me, Duke has one of the largest endowments and the deepest pockets in the US, those young men got quite a pay-out I can assure you, in exchange for their promise not to sue.

All that being said, if my son was hiring strippers for parties he would not have to worry about the police, I'd handle his rear end.  :roll:


I thought Nifong was re-elected DA during the LaCrosse turmoil.


nope, he was an assistant until this last election and some in NC are predicting he may well do prison time now


DURHAM, N.C. — Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has won his re-election bid after a highly divisive campaign thrust into the national spotlight by Nifong's handling of the Duke lacrosse rape investigation.

Some of the charges brought against him in the panel deal do sound criminal to me and I still think his past case load needs to be examined.  I doubt he just suddenly became one to skirt by the law and withold evidence, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 12:23:37 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Nifong had handled predominately petty cases prior to the Duke case, what he did was wrong but he was not a top prosecutor prior to this either, in fact the Sullivan case went to his rival at that time who is a female. She left last year for private practice and that's essentially how he even won the election.

Trust me, Duke has one of the largest endowments and the deepest pockets in the US, those young men got quite a pay-out I can assure you, in exchange for their promise not to sue.

All that being said, if my son was hiring strippers for parties he would not have to worry about the police, I'd handle his rear end.  :roll:


I thought Nifong was re-elected DA during the LaCrosse turmoil.


nope, he was an assistant until this last election and some in NC are predicting he may well do prison time now


DURHAM, N.C. — Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has won his re-election bid after a highly divisive campaign thrust into the national spotlight by Nifong's handling of the Duke lacrosse rape investigation.

Some of the charges brought against him in the panel deal do sound criminal to me and I still think his past case load needs to be examined.  I doubt he just suddenly became one to skirt by the law and withold evidence, etc.


Looks like he as an ADA much longer than a DA...per this:

http://www.ncdistrictattorney.org/mikenifong/your_district_attorney.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 12:27:28 AM
He was an asst. DA..that is...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 12:36:13 AM
Carla Baron picked up on Carpe's YouTube videos.

http://www.myspace.com/carla_baron


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 12:48:05 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
He was an asst. DA..that is...


This is interesting.

When a vacancy finally occurred in a permanent ADA slot in Durham in April, 1979, it was offered to Nifong. He has been there ever since. By June of 1979, he had worked his way up to Superior Court, where he amassed a record of more than three hundred felony jury trials (nearly a quarter of which involved homicides) over the next two decades. In the years since 1999, he has experienced a decrease in courtroom involvement and a corresponding increase in administrative responsibilities and policy development.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 12:52:33 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron picked up on Carpe's YouTube videos.

http://www.myspace.com/carla_baron

How can you tell she picked up Carpe's YouTube's?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 19, 2007, 12:52:46 AM
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


So is that the same as the BEACH search MF was talking about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 19, 2007, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


So is that the same as the BEACH search MF was talking about?

Yeah, MF was just being stingy with info > IMO. Beach sounds better than RQ for the Sloot defenders.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 19, 2007, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


So is that the same as the BEACH search MF was talking about?


Thats good news that they are still active..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 12:57:06 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


So is that the same as the BEACH search MF was talking about?


Hmmm, something about the Family of Jamie Skeeter's as well.

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/June/18/A-18-6-07.pdf


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 12:58:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Per Arubagirl - Bon Dia 6/18

"There were searches around the Raquet Club by the authorities last week."


So is that the same as the BEACH search MF was talking about?


Hmmm, something about the Family of Jamie Skeeter's as well.

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/June/18/A-18-6-07.pdf


EASYWRITER - if you are still around, send the link above to Jossy and see if he'll tell you what it's saying about Jamie Skeeters, TIA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 01:00:19 AM
Posted by Sunmoonstars at RU:

Bon Dia June 18th partial from Arubagirl

Unfortunately, I am swamped with work and can't translate the article but two important points are:

1) There were searches around the Racquet Club by the authorities last week
2) According to Bon Dia, the Kalpoe lawyers froze Jamie Skeeters' inheritance.

(It's Bon Dia Aruba, Monday 18th June 2007 page A )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 01:02:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Carla Baron picked up on Carpe's YouTube videos.

http://www.myspace.com/carla_baron

How can you tell she picked up Carpe's YouTube's?


Because they go back to this site:
Added:  June 18, 2007
From:  carpen0ktem


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Observer on June 19, 2007, 01:02:15 AM
WOW!! Thats crazy that they can freeze his inheritance!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: igsigs on June 19, 2007, 01:02:43 AM
And it turns out Lazlo was right about the search.

I want that phone # she has that gives case updates!  :batman:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 01:03:08 AM
Quote from: "*******"
WOW!! Thats crazy that they can freeze his inheritance!!

I agree.  Just because it's posted in Bondia doesn't make it true though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 01:03:36 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
And it turns out Lazlo was right about the search.

I want that phone # she has that gives case updates!  :batman:


Me too, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2007, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses … Because the Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste


www.scaredmonkeys.com

 :lol:


Klaas ... I cannot stop laughing.  That presentation was put together so well and ... the music ...

Thanks you.

Janet.

10:30 PM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 01:31:13 AM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses … Because the Mind is a Terrible thing to Waste


www.scaredmonkeys.com

 :lol:


Klaas ... I cannot stop laughing.  That presentation was put together so well and ... the music ...

Thanks you.

Janet.

10:30 PM


Thanks but Igsigs was the inspiration for that one, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2007, 01:31:22 AM
... and special thanks to Igsigs and Tibro for their contribution.


Good Night Monkeys

10:30 PM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 01:32:27 AM
Nite Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 02:01:45 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Scared Monkeys Radio now on Kickradio
Post by: Silverfox on June 19, 2007, 04:53:40 AM
Yep it's true...

Thanks to Red and Tom the Scared Monkeys Radio hosted by Dana Pretzer is now it's own channel on Kickradio thanks to the Media Broadcast Network and ScaredMonkeys.com...

http://www.popmyradio.com

Each episode after it occurs will now be placed on the channel and you will be able listen to Dana Pretzer as you sleuth the web in search of news and clues...

Be sure to disengage any popup stoppers your software might have in order to access the portable kickradio radio player... a pop-up instruction page will appear and then the portable radio -- and, once you are there hire is how you can find the channel... It should start playing for you almost instantly in our enhanced mode....

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/smradiochannel.jpg)

At Kickradio and MBN we are very pleased to help host and promote this very important talk radio program...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on June 19, 2007, 05:32:13 AM
ROB
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I was reading the Maddy thread and saw this...???

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Leslie on June 19, 2007, 06:28:08 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 07:57:13 AM
Did anyone else see that news story about the Iraqi orphanage?  Horrible story, but it shows our troops making a difference at a very personal level.

www.cbsnews.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: wreck on June 19, 2007, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


It just never ends -- does it!?!?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 09:41:03 AM
I hear that the Dutch team will be temporarily leaving Aruba.  They plan to return in a couple of weeks after examining some items of interest at their labs in Holland.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on June 19, 2007, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Just a hiccup in a day in the life of Aruba. The drug dealers are back to selling in the town square, Carlos & Charlies returns to dispensing date rape drugs, the locals continue to harrass tourists and the government blindly looks the other way. Aruba is back to normal, telling lies and covering up crimes.

Great job on the video Klaas, Igsigs, and Tibro!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 09:45:21 AM
Sorry Klaas...please delete this last one....I am overwhelmed with the gang violence and the next story on the "rich" tourists.... :shock:

Tourists with high income continue to grow  

ORANJESTAD – From the annual tourist survey conducted by the Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) amongst sojourn tourists it appears that there was a slight decrease in the number of tourists with an income of more than 50.000 dollars per year last year, but that the number of rich tourists increases steadily.    

Over 40 percent of the sojourn tourists in 2000 had an annual income of more than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage continued to grow and in 2001, it surpassed the tourists with a yearly income of less than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage was even above 60 in 2004 and 2005, but dropped slightly to 58 percent in 2006.  But still, the biggest groups of tourists are the ones with a yearly income of 50.000 dollars or more.


Title: Re: Scared Monkeys Radio now on Kickradio
Post by: LilPuma on June 19, 2007, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Yep it's true...

Thanks to Red and Tom the Scared Monkeys Radio hosted by Dana Pretzer is now it's own channel on Kickradio thanks to the Media Broadcast Network and ScaredMonkeys.com...

http://www.popmyradio.com

Each episode after it occurs will now be placed on the channel and you will be able listen to Dana Pretzer as you sleuth the web in search of news and clues...

Be sure to disengage any popup stoppers your software might have in order to access the portable kickradio radio player... a pop-up instruction page will appear and then the portable radio -- and, once you are there hire is how you can find the channel... It should start playing for you almost instantly in our enhanced mode....

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/smradiochannel.jpg)

At Kickradio and MBN we are very pleased to help host and promote this very important talk radio program...


Great news!  I've contemplated writing Fox, MSNBC and CNN saying "Listen to the podcasts and GIVE THIS GUY A TIME SLOT!"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I hear that the Dutch team will be temporarily leaving Aruba.  They plan to return in a couple of weeks after examining some items of interest at their labs in Holland.


Thanks Easy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 19, 2007, 09:50:07 AM
silverfox thank you for that update, how exciting !

MeMere, did they use the term "rich tourists" in that article or is that the result of a pap translation?

just curious for if they are utlizing 50K annually as a benchmark for 'rich' then seems a bit unrealistic, or is that market-driven  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: LilPuma on June 19, 2007, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Just a hiccup in a day in the life of Aruba. The drug dealers are back to selling in the town square, Carlos & Charlies returns to dispensing date rape drugs, the locals continue to harrass tourists and the government blindly looks the other way. Aruba is back to normal, telling lies and covering up crimes.

Great job on the video Klaas, Igsigs, and Tibro!


Can't be.  There's no crime there.   :roll:
Where is the Royal Plaza?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Just a hiccup in a day in the life of Aruba. The drug dealers are back to selling in the town square, Carlos & Charlies returns to dispensing date rape drugs, the locals continue to harrass tourists and the government blindly looks the other way. Aruba is back to normal, telling lies and covering up crimes.

Great job on the video Klaas, Igsigs, and Tibro!


The rat boy missed a great photo op!  :P


Title: Re: Scared Monkeys Radio now on Kickradio
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Yep it's true...

Thanks to Red and Tom the Scared Monkeys Radio hosted by Dana Pretzer is now it's own channel on Kickradio thanks to the Media Broadcast Network and ScaredMonkeys.com...

http://www.popmyradio.com

Each episode after it occurs will now be placed on the channel and you will be able listen to Dana Pretzer as you sleuth the web in search of news and clues...

Be sure to disengage any popup stoppers your software might have in order to access the portable kickradio radio player... a pop-up instruction page will appear and then the portable radio -- and, once you are there hire is how you can find the channel... It should start playing for you almost instantly in our enhanced mode....

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/smradiochannel.jpg)

At Kickradio and MBN we are very pleased to help host and promote this very important talk radio program...


Great news Silverfox!

I went and listened to the show from your site, sounds like the speed is a bit slow...DANA doesn't sound the same, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
silverfox thank you for that update, how exciting !

MeMere, did they use the term "rich tourists" in that article or is that the result of a pap translation?

just curious for if they are utlizing 50K annually as a benchmark for 'rich' then seems a bit unrealistic, or is that market-driven  :wink:


I was sitting here thinking the same thing when I read that about the "rich tourists." If they think $50,000 is "rich," then I would qualify as ultra rich, and I can promise you I'm not.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 10:02:29 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/19/

Quote
CONOCIDO DEN MUNDO DI MODA A BIRA VICTIMA DI MALTRATO, ROBO Y SECUESTRO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN):  Ayera madruga, un otro hecho cu ta un muestra din unda nos hubentud ta bayendo, ta esun cu a sosode ora cu e ciudadano di inicial M. D., kende por cierto ta un persona hopi conoci den mundo di moda, a bira victima di atraco, maltrato y secuestro.
Ta asina cu un grupo di hende, probablemente di Santa Cruz, a logra saca e persona aki for di su auto, maltrate severamente, kita su paña, lague full sunu pa despues bandon’e den e area di Sero Pita.

E antisocialnan a bay cu su auto, paña, celular y su placa. E victima, ainda den e condicion cu el a keda, a logra haya un pida serbete cu tabata colga na un cas eybanda pa asina e por a tapa su curpa.

Ta di e forma aki cu e por a notifica polis di e sucedido. Autoridad a presenta na e sitio y mirando e estado delicado di e victima, a hibe su cas pa e por a bisti algun paña y pa e ricibi atencion medico debido.

Despues, M.D. a bay cerca Recherche pa entrega e keho respectivo. Ya den transcurso di dia, polis a notifica M.D. cu nan a haya su auto den e area di Washington y cu nan lo sigui tras di e pista di esnan cu a haci nan mes culpable di e hecho lamentable aki.


Online Pap translation:

conocido in world of manner owing to become victima of maltrato, abstraction y secuestro

oranjestad (aan): yesterday madruga, one another mature cu is one sample din where we hubentud is bayendo, is esun cu owing to sosode hour cu the ciudadano of inicial m. d., that can cierto is one person much conoci in world of manner, owing to become victima of atraco, maltrato y secuestro.

is so cu one are of person, probably of santa cruz, owing to succeed saca the person here for of his car, maltrate severamente, less his cloths, lague full sunu for after bandon’e in the area of hill pita.

the antisocialnan owing to bay cu his car, cloths, celular y his coin. the victima, still in the condicion cu past owing to stay, owing to succeed achieve one piece serbete cu was colga at one cas eybanda for so the can owing to tapa his curpa.

is of the form here cu the can owing to notifica police of the sucedido. autoridad owing to present at the sitio y mirando the estado delicado of the victima, owing to hibe his cas for her can owing to dress some cloths y for her ricibi atencion medico debido.

after, m.d. owing to bay close recherche for entrega the complaint respectivo. already in transcurso of day, police owing to notifica m.d. cu they owing to achieve his car in the area of washington y cu they will follow behind the pista of esnan cu owing to haci they self culpable of the mature lamentable here.

* * *

The headline is saying Mistreatment, Robbery, Kidnapping.

Is there a "Washington" area of Aruba? (Among the many questions bout this one. I can't even figure out whether the victime is a him or a her.  :cry: ) I DO *think* the car was found.

Wonder if this was a tourist victim?

SANDY!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
silverfox thank you for that update, how exciting !

MeMere, did they use the term "rich tourists" in that article or is that the result of a pap translation?

just curious for if they are utlizing 50K annually as a benchmark for 'rich' then seems a bit unrealistic, or is that market-driven  :wink:


I was sitting here thinking the same thing when I read that about the "rich tourists." If they think $50,000 is "rich," then I would qualify as ultra rich, and I can promise you I'm not.  :lol:  :lol:


http://www.sandiego.gov/housing/whatis.shtml
For SAN DIEGO, CA

What is Affordable Housing?
Affordable housing means different things to different people. In San Diego, the median price of a home is more than $500,000, a product of supply and demand and location. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) defines "affordable" as housing that costs no more than 30 percent of a household's monthly income. That means rent and utilities in an apartment or the monthly mortgage payment and housing expenses for a homeowner should be less than 30 percent of a household's monthly income to be considered affordable.

Currently, the median income for a family of four in San Diego is $63,400. Utilizing HUD's definition, affordable housing for a low-income family (household earning up to 80 percent of San Diego area median income) (AMI), would be an apartment renting for about $1,500 per month or a home priced under $225,000. The cost would vary depending on family and unit size.

If my calculations are correct, $50,720.00 qualifies for low income in San Diego  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Sorry Klaas...please delete this last one....I am overwhelmed with the gang violence and the next story on the "rich" tourists.... :shock:

Tourists with high income continue to grow  

ORANJESTAD – From the annual tourist survey conducted by the Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) amongst sojourn tourists it appears that there was a slight decrease in the number of tourists with an income of more than 50.000 dollars per year last year, but that the number of rich tourists increases steadily.    

Over 40 percent of the sojourn tourists in 2000 had an annual income of more than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage continued to grow and in 2001, it surpassed the tourists with a yearly income of less than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage was even above 60 in 2004 and 2005, but dropped slightly to 58 percent in 2006.  But still, the biggest groups of tourists are the ones with a yearly income of 50.000 dollars or more.



None.......This is the English version of Amigoe.com.  Wonder if this is part
of the questionnaire on the plane before arrival..... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"

http://www.sandiego.gov/housing/whatis.shtml
For SAN DIEGO, CA

What is Affordable Housing?
Affordable housing means different things to different people. In San Diego, the median price of a home is more than $500,000, a product of supply and demand and location. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) defines "affordable" as housing that costs no more than 30 percent of a household's monthly income. That means rent and utilities in an apartment or the monthly mortgage payment and housing expenses for a homeowner should be less than 30 percent of a household's monthly income to be considered affordable.

Currently, the median income for a family of four in San Diego is $63,400. Utilizing HUD's definition, affordable housing for a low-income family (household earning up to 80 percent of San Diego area median income) (AMI), would be an apartment renting for about $1,500 per month or a home priced under $225,000. The cost would vary depending on family and unit size.

If my calculations are correct, $50,720.00 qualifies for low income in San Diego  :wink:


Yep - it's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? I would say most families with an income of $50,000 aren't going to have a heck of a lot of money to throw around on vacation in Aruba. If they had told me most of their visitors had incomes of $1 million, then I might have been impressed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 19, 2007, 10:24:01 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Sorry Klaas...please delete this last one....I am overwhelmed with the gang violence and the next story on the "rich" tourists.... :shock:

Tourists with high income continue to grow  

ORANJESTAD – From the annual tourist survey conducted by the Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) amongst sojourn tourists it appears that there was a slight decrease in the number of tourists with an income of more than 50.000 dollars per year last year, but that the number of rich tourists increases steadily.    

Over 40 percent of the sojourn tourists in 2000 had an annual income of more than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage continued to grow and in 2001, it surpassed the tourists with a yearly income of less than 50.000 dollars.  This percentage was even above 60 in 2004 and 2005, but dropped slightly to 58 percent in 2006.  But still, the biggest groups of tourists are the ones with a yearly income of 50.000 dollars or more.



None.......This is the English version of Amigoe.com.  Wonder if this is part
of the questionnaire on the plane before arrival..... :)


How many people tell the truth on those forms anyway? I know if I earned 1 mill per year I'd be eager to write it down. NOT!  Knowing how things go in aruba they probably sell the info to the thugs, and those are the apartments/hotel rooms/ houses that get broken into. I think the same form wants to know where you are staying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 10:26:12 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/13526426/detail.html

Cruise Passenger Reported Missing, Ship Reverses Course In Search

POSTED: 7:30 am EDT June 19, 2007

MIAMI -- A Royal Caribbean cruise ship turned around Monday to help authorities search for a passenger who was reported missing, according to a statement from the company.

The 24-year-old unidentified man was last seen on a balcony in his room aboard the Freedom of the Seas about 1:45am. Monday, according to the Royal Caribbean statement. He was reported missing at about 8:30am.

The man was on the cruise with his family. The ship, which was carrying 4,141 passengers, was sailing from Miami to San Juan before it turned around to assist in the search.

"We are determining how this will impact the rest of the sailing," said Michael Sheehan, a spokesman for Royal Caribbean Cruises.

The FBI and the Bahamian Maritime Authority were aware of the missing passenger and the U.S. Coast Guard also assisted search crews, Royal Caribbean said in the statement.

The Coast Guard temporarily stopped its air search Monday evening but planned to resume its efforts Tuesday morning, U.S. Coast Guard spokesman Dana Warr said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 19, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


One Happy Island! :shock:  :shock:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 19, 2007, 10:40:22 AM
BB-

take it from me and from a privacy perspective for HR consulting is my competency, NEVER fill in personal income info on any survey or form  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 10:56:10 AM
OT....there is thunder and big black clouds.....the dog is under the chair....I think it is going to rain....!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 19, 2007, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BB-

take it from me and from a privacy perspective for HR consulting is my competency, NEVER fill in personal income info on any survey or form  :lol:


Common sense. There is no reason anyone needs to know that .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 19, 2007, 11:08:17 AM
true BB but now we have increased privacy laws and protection, for this data can make you one step closer to identity theft in this day and age. another reason everyone should own a paper shredder and use it for sensitive trash too.

MeMere here's hoping it's a soft gentle rain ! BT I do hope your BT is doing well, Bella was spayed recently and upset her incision by jumping around and not being still.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 11:10:21 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
true BB but now we have increased privacy laws and protection, for this data can make you one step closer to identity theft in this day and age. another reason everyone should own a paper shredder and use it for sensitive trash too.

MeMere here's hoping it's a soft gentle rain ! BT I do hope your BT is doing well, Bella was spayed recently and upset her incision by jumping around and not being still.


TY None. She keeps following me around crying, but I don't know if that's because her incision hurts or because she's trying to make me feel guilty for putting her thorugh that.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
true BB but now we have increased privacy laws and protection, for this data can make you one step closer to identity theft in this day and age. another reason everyone should own a paper shredder and use it for sensitive trash too.

MeMere here's hoping it's a soft gentle rain ! BT I do hope your BT is doing well, Bella was spayed recently and upset her incision by jumping around and not being still.


TY None. She keeps following me around crying, but I don't know if that's because her incision hurts or because she's trying to make me feel guilty for putting her thorugh that.  :lol:

Why don't you follow her around and start crying :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BlueKYGirl on June 19, 2007, 11:24:25 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BB-

take it from me and from a privacy perspective for HR consulting is my competency, NEVER fill in personal income info on any survey or form  :lol:


Common sense. There is no reason anyone needs to know that .


Not only is it an issue of privacy (and pretension), but do they actually expect people to tell the truth? The people in the lowest brackets will check the highest, and the people in the highest won't check at all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: nonesuche on June 19, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
true BB but now we have increased privacy laws and protection, for this data can make you one step closer to identity theft in this day and age. another reason everyone should own a paper shredder and use it for sensitive trash too.

MeMere here's hoping it's a soft gentle rain ! BT I do hope your BT is doing well, Bella was spayed recently and upset her incision by jumping around and not being still.


TY None. She keeps following me around crying, but I don't know if that's because her incision hurts or because she's trying to make me feel guilty for putting her thorugh that.  :lol:

Why don't you follow her around and start crying :lol: .


ROFL !!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I wish I'd tried that one with my kids !!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
true BB but now we have increased privacy laws and protection, for this data can make you one step closer to identity theft in this day and age. another reason everyone should own a paper shredder and use it for sensitive trash too.

MeMere here's hoping it's a soft gentle rain ! BT I do hope your BT is doing well, Bella was spayed recently and upset her incision by jumping around and not being still.


TY None. She keeps following me around crying, but I don't know if that's because her incision hurts or because she's trying to make me feel guilty for putting her thorugh that.  :lol:

Why don't you follow her around and start crying :lol: .


ROFL !!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I wish I'd tried that one with my kids !!  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: Scared Monkeys Radio now on Kickradio
Post by: Silverfox on June 19, 2007, 11:52:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Yep it's true...

Thanks to Red and Tom the Scared Monkeys Radio hosted by Dana Pretzer is now it's own channel on Kickradio thanks to the Media Broadcast Network and ScaredMonkeys.com...

http://www.popmyradio.com

Each episode after it occurs will now be placed on the channel and you will be able listen to Dana Pretzer as you sleuth the web in search of news and clues...

Be sure to disengage any popup stoppers your software might have in order to access the portable kickradio radio player... a pop-up instruction page will appear and then the portable radio -- and, once you are there hire is how you can find the channel... It should start playing for you almost instantly in our enhanced mode....

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/smradiochannel.jpg)

At Kickradio and MBN we are very pleased to help host and promote this very important talk radio program...


Great news Silverfox!

I went and listened to the show from your site, sounds like the speed is a bit slow...DANA doesn't sound the same, lol  :lol:


Yeah, well.... LOL...

We actually "beefed it up a little" to try to fit FM Broadcast quality streaming... You see the actual show is encoded slower and at a more "compact" level in order to facilitate your podcasts -- so we will work with the show in the coming weeks at different rates to see if we can find a good "fix" for the sound and speed both -- usually a higher encoded version of a slower rate will make the audio sound like chipmunks ...LOL...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 01:52:20 PM
Wow 2 hours since the last post.  Maybe well will get to page 50 before 9:00 p.m.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


One Happy Island! :shock:  :shock:  :roll:


FFS.. These stupid cops will never get control of that island.. the whole place is totally in shitter...  good lord burn a cop car


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Wow 2 hours since the last post.  Maybe well will get to page 50 before 9:00 p.m.


Yes & Klaas can run to San Francisco & back by then  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Violence broke out between Aruban gangs of youths

ORANJESTAD – A big fight between several gangs of youths in the vicinity of the Weststraat and Royal Plaza got completely out of hand last Saturday morning.  A police car was hijacked and was found again totally burnt down in the vicinity of Sta. Cruz.  The police from Oranjestad received assistance from their colleagues from San Nicolas.  

The problems started when the police handcuffed and conveyed a suspect.  After one the gang-members was hit by a flying bottle, about 100 started to fight with each other near Royal Plaza .  The tension mounted when the police fired a warning shot.  According to witnesses, the group yelled at the police that they have guns too and that they are not afraid.    

When two police officers wanted to cuff a person, somebody in the public called that other troublemakers have hijacked a police car.  Several members of the gangs were arrested.  The police had to use the baton to calm down the troublemakers some.  The owners of the entertainment places Carlos ‘n Charlies and Bahia were ordered to close the doors.  There was also commotion at the Emergency Room of the hospital.  The injured young persons that were taken there for treatment, wanted to have a scrap with everything and everybody.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


One Happy Island! :shock:  :shock:  :roll:


FFS.. These stupid cops will never get control of that island.. the whole place is totally in shitter...  good lord burn a cop car

It's too bad a certain fat cop wasn't in the car while it was burning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: AZSunny on June 19, 2007, 01:55:45 PM
Just found this article regarding Montego Bay Jamaica.  (other reports say the tourists were attacked with guns and machetes.  )



http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070613T230000-0500_124318_OBS_POLICE_KILL_SUSPECT_IN_TOURIST_ROBBERY.asp


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "San"
Wow 2 hours since the last post.  Maybe well will get to page 50 before 9:00 p.m.


Yes & Klaas can run to San Francisco & back by then  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Just found this article regarding Montego Bay Jamaica.  (other reports say the tourists were attacked with guns and machetes.  )



http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070613T230000-0500_124318_OBS_POLICE_KILL_SUSPECT_IN_TOURIST_ROBBERY.asp


I saw something about this last week on the news.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 02:03:50 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Just found this article regarding Montego Bay Jamaica.  (other reports say the tourists were attacked with guns and machetes.  )


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070613T230000-0500_124318_OBS_POLICE_KILL_SUSPECT_IN_TOURIST_ROBBERY.asp


I saw something about this last week on the news.

I have no desire to see any of these islands.  There are plenty of beaches in the U.S.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Just found this article regarding Montego Bay Jamaica.  (other reports say the tourists were attacked with guns and machetes.  )


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070613T230000-0500_124318_OBS_POLICE_KILL_SUSPECT_IN_TOURIST_ROBBERY.asp


I saw something about this last week on the news.

I have no desire to see any of these islands.  There are plenty of beaches in the U.S.


I had the same conversation with some of the friends we've traveled with to islands in the past.  Some agree and others are set on the tropical atmosphere.  I'm happy on the Jersey shore, if nothing else is possible.  I agree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Just found this article regarding Montego Bay Jamaica.  (other reports say the tourists were attacked with guns and machetes.  )


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20070613T230000-0500_124318_OBS_POLICE_KILL_SUSPECT_IN_TOURIST_ROBBERY.asp

I saw something about this last week on the news.

I have no desire to see any of these islands.  There are plenty of beaches in the U.S.

I had the same conversation with some of the friends we've traveled with to islands in the past.  Some agree and others are set on the tropical atmosphere. I'm happy on the Jersey shore, if nothing else is possible.  I agree.
The Jersey Shore is just fine for me 2NJSons.  Plus if there is a problem at least we are here in our country unlike how other governments treat our people.  We lose our rights when we travel outside of the U.S.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 19, 2007, 02:31:10 PM
Claudia Kirshhoch disappeared from Jamaica, her poor family was another
family that got railroaded in the same way Natalee's did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 02:34:59 PM
Pretty soon the only cruise you will be able to take will be from one US port to another....!  and I am not saying that ports and port cities are always safe...but at least you are in your own country....where you should be able to get good information on crime in the area....either before leaving for the cruise or from the cruise staff before disembarking....!

This robbery tells us that going in groups does not always make us safe...!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Pretty soon the only cruise you will be able to take will be from one US port to another....!  and I am not saying that ports and port cities are always safe...but at least you are in your own country....where you should be able to get good information on crime in the area....either before leaving for the cruise or from the cruise staff before disembarking....!

This robbery tells us that going in groups does not always make us safe...!

I agree Mere.

These islands are not safe plain and simple.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Pretty soon the only cruise you will be able to take will be from one US port to another....!  and I am not saying that ports and port cities are always safe...but at least you are in your own country....where you should be able to get good information on crime in the area....either before leaving for the cruise or from the cruise staff before disembarking....!

This robbery tells us that going in groups does not always make us safe...!

I agree Mere.

These islands are not safe plain and simple.



We have learned a lot in the past two years.... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Pretty soon the only cruise you will be able to take will be from one US port to another....!  and I am not saying that ports and port cities are always safe...but at least you are in your own country....where you should be able to get good information on crime in the area....either before leaving for the cruise or from the cruise staff before disembarking....!

This robbery tells us that going in groups does not always make us safe...!

I agree Mere.

These islands are not safe plain and simple.



We have learned a lot in the past two years.... :(


This is true Mere.  Aruba has opened our eyes.  Goes to show you that even the Government in Aruba hate the Americans.  JMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 03:05:40 PM
O/T - I'm going on record and saying that the boyfriend or what ever the hell he is in relation to Jessie Davis is the one who killed her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 19, 2007, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Found this at Scrux - posted by a new member who claims to be from the NL - it's a very detailed and thought out synopsis of what could have happened:

FierlJepper
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 1
Location: Netherlands
 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: A "Satish & Joran colluded, Deepak didn't know"

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Hi,

Just like many here, I’m intrigued by the Holloway case. I recently watched the interview with Joran on the Jensen show last Friday June 8th. I then decided to start reading more about this case and almost drowned in the publicly available factual and speculative data.

For me it’s very obvious that Joran knows more, not only because he has changed his story so often, but also due to his body language during the interviews, esp. when the questions like “so, what happened at the beach” are posed to him. In the Jensen show he came across to me as a pathological liar.

I’ve now read the mind-boggling, however also sometimes conflicting, material from many different sites and developed a (speculative) hypothesis, that however does match the available evidence, provides an explanation for the persisting lies of the three boys and also is in-line with the puzzling conversation between the three suspects that was secretly recorded in a the police car.

My hypothesis in a nutshell and its rationales:

1. Joran apparently has a fantasy around backseat car-sex and/or group (MMF) sex. Data points for this are:
* He visited the porn-site “backseatbangers” after he returned home in the morning May 30th (he was using the “van der Sloot”-computer. I assume they ran XP and had made log-in accounts for each family member. I suspect therefore that Joran had bookmarked this site under favorites (this can be verified, if they still have the hard disk image file).
* His previous involvement with a girl named Karen. Joran had sex with Karen in his apartment. This was in the presence of a guy named Chato who together with Joran proposed group sex. Karen refused and Chato left the room (story has been verified).

2. Since Joran is “not against” group sex and he doesn’t truly fancy Natalee (apparently he was more interested in her girlfriend) and also given the state of the sexual interactions on the backseat that occurred during their ride to the lighthouse, he perceives Natalee as “willing”. Joran then thinks of realizing his fantasy and develops the idea to “share” her with Satish (Deepak is too decent and wouldn’t bite). However, there is not a single moment when Joran and Satish are alone to test Satish buy-in or to collude with him to get Deepak out of the way. Except for one crucial moment and that is when Deepak leaves the car to relief himself at the parking lot near the lighthouse. Although Deepak has stated that everybody is awake, this is the reason why neither Joran nor Satish have ever mentioned this in their statements. For them this is an important event and also the reason why Joran has stated they didn’t go to the lighthouse at all (although he did so in his first statement). He very well knows that this is a crucial piece of information and he hoped that Satish would join him in that lie. However he forgot that Satish had to follow Deepak’s story, who does tell the truth. When Deepak left the car, Joran and Satish probably agreed in Dutch or Papiamento (which Natalee couldn’t understand) that Satish would immediately return to the beach (“come to the Fishermen’s huts”) after he has arrived home with Deepak.

3. When they approach the Marriott Hotel. Joran is the one who suddenly tells Deepak to turn right just before the Marriott and to drop him and Natalee off at the beach. They got out and the boys drove off. The fact that Joran took off his shoes when they walked to the beach and waded in the sea, sounds logically to me. However, Joran also needed to convince Natalee to walk north for his planned encounter with Satish near the Fishermen’s huts. Leaving both their shoes at the beach is of course making Natalee less suspicious. They then walk north but Natalee starts to protest more and more and wants to just sit at the beach. Joran has made several statements that he actually carried Natalee for a while. Again this supports the story that he needed to get her to the fishermen’s hut. I postulate that Joran was later indeed picked up by Satish and also dropped off at his house, so he couldn’t have gone back for his shoes (which I assume were taken from the beach by the tide and then disappeared). Joran consistently claims that he didn’t have sex with her on the beach, since he didn’t have a condom with him. I find this hard to believe for a guy like him (he repeated this story in the Jensen show and also suddenly stated that she had given him a bj). I actually infer that he was consciously holding of intercourse with Natalee since he wanted to wait for Satish to return for some MMF group sex. Satish indeed returned to the beach around 2:15 (15 to 20 minute drive from the Kalpoe home to the Palm beach area). Joran suddenly heard the car engine of Satish approaching and then suddenly realizes himself that he hadn’t made a phone call yet with a request for a pick up. This could of course make Natalee very suspicious. That’s why he uses the excuse that he has to make a call near the Fishermen’s huts “since it’s too windy on the beach”. In reality he meets Satish there and tells him to wait a short while before they pick up Natalee. Joran then also realizes that Deepak could be waiting for him to pick him up and decides to call him (at 2:26) to tell him not to bother and that he’s walking home. After that call he returns to Natalee and they both walk back to the car and get in (Joran, Satish in the front and Natalee “already” in the back seat). I read a statement that Joran said “we” went into the car. They drive off in the direction of the quiet and unpopulated area near the Racquet club (1-2min drive).

4. The “gardener” witness then did indeed see Deepak’s car around 2:30 on that dirt road near the Racquet club with Joran and Satish in the front seats and Natalee lying in the backseat. The gardeners claims to have seen three people, however describes and recognizes only the two in the front. He could see their faces in his headlights and also reports that one of them immediately covers his face with his hands and the man in the driver seat leaned backwards to avoid being recognized.

5. Somewhere between 2:30 and 2:45, Joran and Satish have had group sex with Natalee in the backseat of Deepak’s car near the Racquet club area between 2:30 and 2:45.They accidentally (unplanned) killed Natalee due to a lethal combination of dehydration and abundant alcohol usage. They panicked and instead of getting help they disposed of her body. Satish then dropped of Joran at or near his house (03:13) and drove home. They didn’t have much time to hide the body (approx. 20-25 minutes) and I postulate that the must have dispose it somewhere between the area of the Racquet club and Joran’s house.

6. Satish doesn’t have an alibi. Deepak could prove that he was on MSN at 2AM but Satish claims to have gone to sleep immediately after they arrived home around 1:50AM. However, both Deepak, his mother and Satish have made a statement that Satish overslept and missed school the next morning. He should have woken up around 10AM, which should have left him with a sufficient 8 hours of sleep (esp. at that age). Apparently he was very tired which could be an indication that he didn’t sleep that long at all. Also, the first thing Satish asks his brother Deepak when they’re both awake, is whether Joran has gotten home the night before (consistent data in both D and S statements). I’m surprised by this amazing degree of empathy for Joran.

7. Deepak is very protective of his brother Satish, which is one of the reasons why he joins Joran in the first lie about dropping off Natalee at the Holiday Inn. I therefore postulate that Deepak knows that Satish had gone out for a drive after they return, but is unaware of what really happened and persists in this lie not to induce more troubles for his brother (Deepak’s car makes quite some noise and I therefore don’t believe that Satish managed to sneak out silently with such a car). The brothers have never changed there story after the first lie, although ironically enough Joran fourth story about being picked up by Satish is in my hypothesis actually true…).

8. At the moment of the first MSN conversation 03:25.04, I postulate that Deepak is absolutely unaware of anything bad happening that evening. In particular when I read the content of the MSN dialogue between Joran and Deepak, which is incorrectly interpreted as a “conversation”. There isn’t actually a conversation at all. Deepak sees that Joran comes on-line (i.e. he signs on to MSN) which triggers him to write Joran the subsequent messages “Are you there”, “?”, “Anyway, glad to hear you’re home. Speak to you tomorrow. I’m going to sleep”, “Take care”. Then 8 minutes pass before Joran sends Deepak a reply (2 messages), but there is no response from Deepak. The content of Deepak’s messages makes me believe that he’s totally unaware of Joran’s nor Satish “evil” activities that night and most certainly hasn’t dropped of Joran at his house himself. However, since Deepak doesn’t answer anymore to Joran I suspect that Deepak heard Satish return and they have a conversation outside.

9. Now, why would Joran lie about passing his house on their way to the lighthouse? I postulate that is because he knew that Satish had dropped him off in Deepak’s car around 3:13 and wanted to provide both of them with an alibi in case the car was seen there. Deepak unfortunately tells the truth about the route to the lighthouse and Satish needs to join him in that story (since Deepak doesn’t know where Satish has gone that night).

10. Why does Deepak say that he logged off at 3AM, while there is evidence that he encountered in a MSN “conversation” with Joran at 03:25 ? I actually can't think of any good reason. This could be an error in the data reports.

11. The next day Joran played tennis at the Racquet club. He walked back from there to the Wyndham casino. He probably walked to the beach (via the dirt road), passed the fisherman’s hut and looked for his shoes.

12. Now back to the eavesdropped police car conversation between Deepak, Satish and Joran. It’s predominantly a conversation (fight) between Deepak and Joran about the unexpected side-effects that were induced by their various statements and mutual accusations (Freddy got arrested, Joran’s father got involved, the “choller” (drug dealer) incident, the fact that Satish has hit a girl with the car), however there’s not much about the case itself, except for the following lines:

* Joran very calmly to Deepak “you know what happened to the girl, if you don’t know then nothing happened to her”. IMO this reflects the fact that Joran is not sure whether Satish has told Deepak what really happened that night. It’s a provocative question to “test the waters”. In other words: “if Satish has told you what happened, then you know the terrible facts about what we did to her, if he hasn’t told you, then “why make any inferences about her”.

* Satish to Joran “About us, about us. They can find prove, but not about you”.
* Satish to Joran “With lies there is no proof”
IMO this means that the Kalpoe brothers can show some evidence that they are not guilty. Unfortunately this is only true for Deepak (on MSN at 2AM), but not for Satish (asleep, i.e. no alibi)

* Joran to the brothers “If they’ll find the girl then they will see the shit”. IMO this means he threatens Satish that if the body of Natalee is found, there will be evidence that leading towards Satish.

* Deepak to Joran “They’re going to give you 15 years if they find that girl”. IMO this means that Deepak is truly convinced that Joran had done something to Natalee at the beach, however he is still doesn’t suspect Satish was involved as well.

Here’s my timeline:
·01:00 CnC bar closes
·01:15 Joran, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe reconvene and leave Deepak’s car
·01:30 temporarily halted the car at the intersection next to the bus terminal (meet other students)
·01:40 Drop off Natalee north of Mariott
·02:00 Deepak logs on computer, Satish leaves in the car.
·02:15 Joran has managed to talk/carry Natalee to Fishermen’s hut and hears Satish car coming.
·02:17 Joran meets Satish and wait few minutes
·02:26 Joran calls Deepak from the huts and says he’ll walk home (and is near the McDonalds)
·02:30 Gardener sees Deepak’s car on dirt road near Racquet club.
·02:30-02:45 They have sex with Natalee in backseat and she accidentally dies.
·02:45-03:10 They get rid of the body and Joran is dropped off near his house by Satish
·02:46 Deepak sends sms from his computer (remember he didn’t have any call minutes on his cell phone left!!!) to Joran’s phone “Wait till you get home, miscall me”
·03:13 Joran is near or at his house. He answers the text message from Deepak directly to his cell phone: “Hey thanks Swa, sleep tight, I’m home. Are you on-line? I will see you tomorrow”.
·03:25 Joran gets on his computer and Deepak sees him coming on-line
·03:25.04 – 03:25.38 three messages sent by Deepak, no reply from Joran
·03:33.08 – 03:35.32 two messages sent by Joran, no reply from Deepak
·03:25 – 3:32 Satish arrives home. Deepak hears this and that’s why he doesn’t respond to Joran’s messages.
·03:35-04:30 Joran goes to Hotmail and visits the football/porn sites and download movies.
·08:00-02:45 Joran is at school
·12:00 Satish oversleeps and misses school that day
·13:30 Deepak wakes up
·(…)
·17:00 Paul drops off Joran at the Racquet club
·17:00-19:00 Tennis lesson for Joran
·19:15 Joran leaves Racquet club on foot to the casino
·00:00 – 02:00 Joran and Deepak meet again first in Radisson with friends and then alone in the Wyndham
·Etc.

Just another hypothesis to be falsified. I'm very open to any comments, critical feedback and/or additions.


Well, since is so quiet here today I thought I would bring this forward.  Klaas found this on Scrux and posted it yesterday.  I thought it was interesting.

If you are into the Simian posts...

It is true that one of them tried to off himself.
Posted Jun 22, 5:26 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post


I remember Deetch and I had discussed this once before and his impression back then was that Satish was the one who may have tried to take his own life.  Our discussion was not based on the Simian post, but something else Deetch knew about, but I can't remember what that was.  

Does Deetch still post here?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 03:07:12 PM
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 03:12:04 PM
truthseeker2,

I am not certain, but I think Frank may be Deetch....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 19, 2007, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
truthseeker2,

I am not certain, but I think Frank may be Deetch....


yes, he is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
truthseeker2,

I am not certain, but I think Frank may be Deetch....


yes, he is.

I believe Frank does still read here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
truthseeker2,

I am not certain, but I think Frank may be Deetch....


yes, he is.


He last posted here the beginning of June, so maybe he'll see your question.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 19, 2007, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


Me too, San.  I have no desire to go there.  I'm sure there are innocent people on Aruba, but Natalee was innocent as well.  She did not deserve what happened to her there and the people who are "in charge" on Aruba did not have any interest in letting the truth be known from the very beginning.  Natalee's family was so persistent that Aruba could not hide anymore.  Now Aruba is suffering for that...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 03:23:54 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


Me too, San.  I have no desire to go there.  I'm sure there are innocent people on Aruba, but Natalee was innocent as well.  She did not deserve what happened to her there and the people who are "in charge" on Aruba did not have any interest in letting the truth be known from the very beginning.  Natalee's family was so persistent that Aruba could not hide anymore.  Now Aruba is suffering for that...

I agree truthseeker.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


I don't understand this. The boycott is the only instrument we have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: San on June 19, 2007, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


I don't understand this. The boycott is the only instrument we have.

I'm going to start mouthing off in a minute so I'm going to sign off until I calm down.

After everyones time and effort devoted to this cause I don't consider her word as set in stone.  It is too late to back off and I don't intend to.  I don't care who is suffering on that island because Natalee suffered more by the beasts who murdered her and are still roaming around free.

BOYCOTT ARUBA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 19, 2007, 03:41:30 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Hmmm, is there a way to confirm that?  I find that hard to believe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: IndyDan on June 19, 2007, 03:43:34 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


I don't understand this. The boycott is the only instrument we have.

I'm going to start mouthing off in a minute so I'm going to sign off until I calm down.

After everyones time and effort devoted to this cause I don't consider her word as set in stone.  It is too late to back off and I don't intend to.  I don't care who is suffering on that island because Natalee suffered more by the beasts who murdered her and are still roaming around free.

BOYCOTT ARUBA


I certainly don't either.  I've supported both boycott efforts so far and plan to support the one coming up in New Orleans and any more that come around.  
I don't understand why they'd take that position.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Hmmm, is there a way to confirm that?  I find that hard to believe.


Yeah, well, we sure need something from somebody. Red?

People are investing fairly serious time and money to be visible at these ATA shows - just for starters. (There's one in New Orleans next week.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 19, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Hmmm, is there a way to confirm that?  I find that hard to believe.


I may have registered at BFN long ago, but if so, don't know what I used as username/password.  I was hoping someone who is registered there would post about it.  I was also thinking of the Joran/JVDS posting discussion the other day and wasn't sure it was legit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 03:54:50 PM
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Hmmm, is there a way to confirm that?  I find that hard to believe.


I may have registered at BFN long ago, but if so, don't know what I used as username/password.  I was hoping someone who is registered there would post about it.  I was also thinking of the Joran/JVDS posting discussion the other day and wasn't sure it was legit.


I am a regular reader at BFN although Dave and Robin dont post much they do , also Usually when there is new NEWS they come in to BFN chat
and speak with members


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 03:58:52 PM

I think if we wait for the Dutch to get off there hineys, we will all be OLD and Gray  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: msmarple on June 19, 2007, 03:59:06 PM
Is Dave going with TES for the ocean search?

Just when is that search, anyway? "End of June" is close upon us.

IMO, the involvement of KLPD is a good thing  :wink: but so far, it hasn't meant "Justice for Natalee" ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Is Dave going with TES for the ocean search?

Just when is that search, anyway? "End of June" is close upon us.

IMO, the involvement of KLPD is a good thing  :wink: but so far, it hasn't meant "Justice for Natalee" ...


I would doubt Dave would ever go back to that island UNLESS Natalee
was actually found


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.


Hmmm, is there a way to confirm that?  I find that hard to believe.


Yeah, well, we sure need something from somebody. Red?

People are investing fairly serious time and money to be visible at these ATA shows - just for starters. (There's one in New Orleans next week.)


Maybe we should ask Beth and see how she feels about it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Sue on June 19, 2007, 04:08:15 PM
 This was posted by PITA at BFN , I kinda find it interesting So I am bring it over


From 2001 to current, VCB has changed it name, owner(s) and business locations.

Prior to 2005.....Van Cromvoirt listed as an Owner (Proxy), with his business address being his home address.

VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY  
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA  
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP  
Name of the company  VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY  
Date of commencement  14 AUGUST 2001  
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 2004  
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS  
 
SIMOONS, ROBERTO FREDERICK IDAGARD;  
Residing in  PAGAAISTRAAT 10, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 5 JULY 1978  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  OWNER  
Effective  14 AUGUST 2001  
Authority  FULL  
   
VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS;  
Residing in  PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA, ARUBA  
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-HERTOGENCOSCH on 29 JUNE 1959  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  PROXY  
Effective  2 DECEMBER 2002  
Authority  FULL  
   

During the time of Natalee's disappearance......Business address listed as Van Cromvoirt's home address with Michael Ramharakh as sole Owner.

VCB (VIDEO, CAMARA & BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN) - HORECA SERVICES  
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA  
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP  
Name of the company  VCB (VIDEO, CAMARA & BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN) - HORECA SERVICES  
Date of commencement  1 DECEMBER 2002  
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 APRIL 2006  
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS  
 
RAMHARAKH, MICHAEL PAUL;  
Residing in  SOLITO 94, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA  
Born in  ARUBA on 12 SEPTEMBER 1943  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  OWNER  
Effective  9 DECEMBER 2002  
Authority  FULL  
 

Most current information on VCB ....Van Cromvoirt listed as sole owner with a different business address than his home address.


V.C.B. ELECTRONICS SECURITY N.V.  
 
Business address SCHOTLANDSTRAAT 49, ORANJESTAD WEST  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY  
Name of the company  V.C.B. ELECTRONICS SECURITY N.V.  
Statutory seat  ARUBA  
Date of incorporation  29 MARCH 2006  
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00  
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00  
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00  
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER  

NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE    
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:  
 
VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS;  
Residing in  PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA, ARUBA  
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-HERTOGENCOSCH on 29 JUNE 1959  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  29 MARCH 2006  
Authority  RESTRICTED


Looks like Pita did alot of research on GVC dad's company


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


In my opinion - the BOYCOTT is a personal choice and really has nothing to do with whether Robin and Dave approve of it or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:12:28 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Is Dave going with TES for the ocean search?

Just when is that search, anyway? "End of June" is close upon us.

IMO, the involvement of KLPD is a good thing  :wink: but so far, it hasn't meant "Justice for Natalee" ...


I don't believe Dave is going but even if he did, it would not mean he will be on the island of Aruba.  TES will have two large ships - no reason to even stop on the island itself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sue"
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


In my opinion - the BOYCOTT is a personal choice and really has nothing to do with whether Robin and Dave approve of it or not.


Agreed. People joined the boycott to support justice, not to support Dave and Robin, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: robots on June 19, 2007, 04:14:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sue"
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


In my opinion - the BOYCOTT is a personal choice and really has nothing to do with whether Robin and Dave approve of it or not.



yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on June 19, 2007, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


I was told this also. I find it strange.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 19, 2007, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


I was told this also. I find it strange.


i find it strange that we cannot get to page 50 yet.  i hope this posts helps in that effort.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 04:20:50 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


I was told this also. I find it strange.


i find it strange that we cannot get to page 50 yet.  i hope this posts helps in that effort.


I'll help too!  :lol:

We've had almost an inch of rain here.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Mere on June 19, 2007, 04:20:55 PM
Does anyone wonder if there is some negotiating happening....?

Not sure how to say this...but, if the family stops supporting the boycott, they will receive information that they have been waiting for...???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 19, 2007, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: "truthseeker2"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
FOB & RU have brought over a post from BFN written by Robin & signed Dave & Robin.  Wasn't sure I should bring it here, but it says they no longer approve the boycott.

I read Robin's letter and I will continue to BOYCOTT ARUBA


I was told this also. I find it strange.


i find it strange that we cannot get to page 50 yet.  i hope this posts helps in that effort.



BUMP....I second that emotion


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: BTgirl on June 19, 2007, 04:23:27 PM
Everybody focus your thoughts on making Easy wake up from his nap. He told me earlier that he was going to take one. I didn't get to have a nap today, so he needs to WAKE UP!  :D  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 19, 2007, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Does anyone wonder if there is some negotiating happening....?

Not sure how to say this...but, if the family stops supporting the boycott, they will receive information that they have been waiting for...???


That would suk, imo.  They should get that information no matter what.  But, with Aruba, maybe that is what the have to do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Does anyone wonder if there is some negotiating happening....?

Not sure how to say this...but, if the family stops supporting the boycott, they will receive information that they have been waiting for...???


NOPE - I don't think it has anythiing to do with negotiations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: Easywriter on June 19, 2007, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


Sounds like Robin has succumbed to MIP6’s demands.  What power does that person have over her and why?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:29:43 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 642


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1233


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Sue"
this from Robin posted at BFN

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee.  She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life.  Your support means so much to us.  It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.  

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba.  We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me.  We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective.  In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.  

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation.  That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads.  They have done what we asked them to do.  We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation.  We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here.  Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin



We dont have to agree with that, it is there postion certianly isnt mine


Sounds like Robin has succumbed to MIP6’s demands.  What power does that person have over her and why?


And Reality's...makes you wonder


Title: Lively Case Discussion #641 6/16 - 6/19/2007
Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2007, 04:30:44 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 642


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1233