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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 05:24:19 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 26, 2006, 09:17:39 PM
I'm Here :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mere on July 26, 2006, 09:19:04 PM
I may be here.... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 26, 2006, 09:20:22 PM
Prayers for Nat & None & All.

Mrs...had to bring this over if you didn't see it...

mrs. red wrote:
Well I could waste a page telling y'all what happens when two rich people get a divorce without kids and fight for 3 years over a spoon, and it goes to trial....


  I bet you could....SIL works for a law firm...sure you see lots of sheet.
_________________


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:20:58 PM
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Prayers for Nat & None & All.

Mrs...had to bring this over if you didn't see it...

mrs. red wrote:
Well I could waste a page telling y'all what happens when two rich people get a divorce without kids and fight for 3 years over a spoon, and it goes to trial....


  I bet you could....SIL works for a law firm...sure you see lots of sheet.
_________________



Yes... we do!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 09:31:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


No doubt...I have a cousin who has a great legal mind who refuses to practice family law as it is too horrendous. The divorces are the most exhausting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 09:32:14 PM
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


No doubt...I have a cousin who has a great legal mind who refuses to practice family law as it is too horrendous. The divorces are the most exhausting.


trust me, my next job... it's contracts all the way... I actually enjoy those!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 26, 2006, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 26, 2006, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.


I am still holding out hope that some of that may still occur.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 09:49:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


I agree...it certainly does send a strong message.  I wouldn't mess with them.  Kinda wish the US had the same rep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 26, 2006, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Yes, for now the Lion roars and will probably be victorious over the wolves this time, but as time goes by and the wolves get more numerous, the lion may find it harder to win.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:49:56 PM
Good night monkeys...

hugs and peace to you all....

Keep the faith!!

I am exhausted from work today.....

hugs and love to the late nite crew too...

and also.. hugs and prayers to None and Mr. None...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Yes, for now the Lion roars and will probably be victorious over the wolves this time, but as time goes by and the wolves get more numerous, the lion may find it harder to win.



We had better hope not.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 26, 2006, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Yes, for now the Lion roars and will probably be victorious over the wolves this time, but as time goes by and the wolves get more numerous, the lion may find it harder to win.



We had better hope not.....


It's a war for civilization. Do wonder who will win.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 26, 2006, 09:55:25 PM
Hi Monkeys ~ I just chose the third option...  lets see


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Hi Monkeys ~ I just chose the third option...  lets see


Katz... sweetie...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 26, 2006, 10:00:12 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Good night monkeys...

hugs and peace to you all....

Keep the faith!!

I am exhausted from work today.....

hugs and love to the late nite crew too...

and also.. hugs and prayers to None and Mr. None...



saying it again... good night!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 26, 2006, 10:00:13 PM
Grrrr
 :twisted: #2 son just called from his part time job..a bit ago.
He left   the Dawg  tied out  in the yard....Rain coming in....could I got take care of her.

Not a problem except the garage is full of FUN stuff that she should not PLAY with...  Moved all that I found that could be hamful...  but all the other re-cycle / Goodwill / TRASH laying about... NO way to move it all.
He may be very busy cleaning up dog-confetti

Sorry

I'm cleaning up some graphics....  
anyone want a "Older Ladies's Biker group" photo posted before I get rid of it?  I think some may have been Monkeys and thinking of some other site or some  people or groups form Aruba when it was taken.

Just wondering
Sorry for being O/T


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Shell on July 26, 2006, 10:00:46 PM
Hello you all. I have gotten 1/3 of that Doc read, and I am very impressed. It will be a long read, but well worth the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 26, 2006, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Grrrr
 :twisted: #2 son just called from his part time job..a bit ago.
He left   the Dawg  tied out  in the yard....Rain coming in....could I got take care of her.

Not a problem except the garage is full of FUN stuff that she should not PLAY with...  Moved all that I found that could be hamful...  but all the other re-cycle / Goodwill / TRASH laying about... NO way to move it all.
He may be very busy cleaning up dog-confetti

sounds familiar  :?  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 10:03:21 PM
Did anybody catch anything on Inside Edition?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


No doubt...I have a cousin who has a great legal mind who refuses to practice family law as it is too horrendous. The divorces are the most exhausting.


trust me, my next job... it's contracts all the way... I actually enjoy those!!


LOL!!  Business Law is the best!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Israel fights to win! There is no substitute for victory!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Did anybody catch anything on Inside Edition?


My cable does not get Inside Edition...sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 26, 2006, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


No doubt...I have a cousin who has a great legal mind who refuses to practice family law as it is too horrendous. The divorces are the most exhausting.

I can just imagine ! !
We had a divorce in the family ( not mine ! ! ) where there were
records broken in the court of Queens Bench for the number of charges and counter charges laid. Our family court system here has been desrcibed as the Court of Character Assasination.
One divorce thing I was reading, the couple were fighting over the travel miles from the business.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 26, 2006, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


Israel fights to win! There is no substitute for victory!

Yes, Mrs. Red, we are bucking to get banned from Lebanon.
I didn't forget about the glasses. Tomorrow, I will get a mailing address from you and stick them in hte mail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OMG>.. Monkeys, I am tired tonight!


No doubt...I have a cousin who has a great legal mind who refuses to practice family law as it is too horrendous. The divorces are the most exhausting.

I can just imagine ! !
We had a divorce in the family ( not mine ! ! ) where there were
records broken in the court of Queens Bench for the number of charges and counter charges laid. Our family court system here has been desrcibed as the Court of Character Assasination.
One divorce thing I was reading, the couple were fighting over the travel miles from the business.


Family Law is totally exhausting and totally emotionally draining...and this particular cousin's uncle was one of the most prominent and beloved local judges ever....this particular cousin also is devoted to the noble calling of the Law, but  he drew the line when it came to Family Law, as it is too emotionally draining.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 10:24:21 PM
Hi All, anything new going on tonight?  I see Avatars are working again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 10:24:48 PM
Maybe not


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 26, 2006, 10:25:30 PM
OF - Did you find a suitable frame for your first achivement award yet :lol: [/img]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 26, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
In Sync singer is gay... :roll:

I didn't see anything about Natalee on Inside Edition...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 26, 2006, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Hi All, anything new going on tonight?  I see Avatars are working again.

Not much. Inside edition was going to do something, but I didn't see it and the girl who provided the pix of Joran & blonde girl made a FP posting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 10:28:29 PM
.Good Evening Monkeys,


Any report on Inside Edition?  I don't get it on my schedule.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 26, 2006, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I think someone had said this before...but I am wondering what would have happened in Aruba if Natalee had been Israeli.  I'm guessing covert activity would have fixed the problem long ago.

Funny.... I just saw a bomb heading that way saying Shalom Sloot Scum.


this might be unpopular... but I agree with how Israel kicks butt!


And I'm praying that God lend Israel His strength now...  and I don't think I'd mind one bit if the US lent her help to Israel too...

I might be even more unpopular than you, Mrs. Red!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 26, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Hi Monkeys ~ I just chose the third option...  lets see


Katz... sweetie...


Yes, Mrs. Red?   :lol: I meant in showing my avatar, Mrs. Red!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 26, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Did anybody catch anything on Inside Edition?


 :roll: I'm watching it now....   :roll:

No Natalee...  buncha junk


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 26, 2006, 10:37:48 PM
Evening monkey peeps.

I like the suggestion of building a wall around Aruba and making it for perverts only.  Great idea.  Let them have each other on One Nasty Island.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 10:38:58 PM
Thanks Katz and Ono (about Inside Edition).  Haven't found anything anywhere..so maybe it's nothing.   Boy, that was a mouthfull!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 26, 2006, 10:39:39 PM
Hi monkeys, why are some of us still nekkid?  I  am getting a chill here.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Evening monkey peeps.

I like the suggestion of building a wall around Aruba and making it for perverts only.  Great idea.  Let them have each other on One Nasty Island.  :wink:

Forgot the word, "inbreads".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
Hotshot

Have you seen the 60 page document BFN put together??  It's great.
Would be great to get some copies to Aruba  :wink: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Hotshot

Have you seen the 60 page document BFN put together??  It's great.
Would be great to get some copies to Aruba  :wink: .


Didn't we at one time have the email addresses for Dompig and Karin Janssen?  Wouldn't hurt to send them a couple of copies I would think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Thanks Katz and Ono (about Inside Edition).  Haven't found anything anywhere..so maybe it's nothing.   Boy, that was a mouthfull!


LOL! :D  You are welcome.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Hotshot

Have you seen the 60 page document BFN put together??  It's great.
Would be great to get some copies to Aruba  :wink: .

I did and it was great!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi monkeys, why are some of us still nekkid?  I  am getting a chill here.  :lol:


I prefer The Naked Truth..LOL! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Hotshot

Have you seen the 60 page document BFN put together??  It's great.
Would be great to get some copies to Aruba  :wink: .


Didn't we at one time have the email addresses for Dompig and Karin Janssen?  Wouldn't hurt to send them a couple of copies I would think.


email me if your interested.... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
[email me if your interested.... :lol:



OK.  A few extra copies can't hurt and as long as they are not from the same source or person should not be a problem and in fact should let them know many people are interested and have these concerns.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 26, 2006, 10:51:16 PM
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.

1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.

2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 26, 2006, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Hotshot

Have you seen the 60 page document BFN put together??  It's great.
Would be great to get some copies to Aruba  :wink: .


Didn't we at one time have the email addresses for Dompig and Karin Janssen?  Wouldn't hurt to send them a couple of copies I would think.


email me if your interested.... :lol:


What 60 page :shock: document? I would like ... is it posted or linked somewhere?

Hi monkeys! Did anything happen today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 26, 2006, 10:55:06 PM
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 26, 2006, 11:00:06 PM
Under which FP topic did "Celeste" (who took photos of JVDS & blondie) post? Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 26, 2006, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"

What 60 page :shock: document? I would like ... is it posted or linked somewhere?

Hi monkeys! Did anything happen today?



http://www.harenza.com/ccedited.doc.pdf


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Hotshot on July 26, 2006, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!
OK, well see if it works.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 26, 2006, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: "anidac"
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.

1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.

2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.

I've missed seeing you~hope you'll stick around tonight~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 26, 2006, 11:03:51 PM
checking to see if I have clothes on


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Under which FP topic did "Celeste" (who took photos of JVDS & blondie) post? Thanks.


Post #79 under this topic:

http://tinyurl.com/gxdxo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 26, 2006, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!


I don't have photobucket.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 26, 2006, 11:06:22 PM
Celeste, wherefore art thou ???? You are most welcome here. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:06:50 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
checking to see if I have clothes on


Kat_Gram
- you put it in your signature - need to scroll down to the 3rd option at the bottom where the avatar section is in your profile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 11:07:38 PM
.
anidac,

Any chance of getting you to email me the information on the ID of Shango?  My address is in my profile.

TIA!!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 26, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "msmarple"

What 60 page :shock: document? I would like ... is it posted or linked somewhere?

Hi monkeys! Did anything happen today?



http://www.harenza.com/ccedited.doc.pdf


Thanks, Buckeye.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 26, 2006, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "wreck"
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!


I don't have photobucket.  :cry:

Don't cry Lala's I didn't get mine to work either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 11:09:25 PM
.
My avatar is a little blurry.  Will it clear up or do I need to work on it myself?  I wonder why that is.  The original is not blurry.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
anidac,

Any chance of getting you to email me the information on the ID of Shango?  My address is in my profile.

TIA!!

.


Anna - right now all emails in profiles are turned off.  There is a problem that Tom is working on fixing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 26, 2006, 11:11:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Under which FP topic did "Celeste" (who took photos of JVDS & blondie) post? Thanks.


Post #79 under this topic:

http://tinyurl.com/gxdxo


And thanks to YOU, Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:12:02 PM
San and LaLa's - your avatar needs to be in photobucket or similar.  Then you copy and paste the plain url, not with the IMG tags and paste it in the 3rd option in your profile for avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
anidac,

Any chance of getting you to email me the information on the ID of Shango?  My address is in my profile.

TIA!!

.


Anna - right now all emails in profiles are turned off.  There is a problem that Tom is working on fixing.


Thanks, Klaas,

I will send it to her at the address that is normally in her profile.  Hope that will work.   :wink:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 26, 2006, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "anidac"
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.

1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.

2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.

I've missed seeing you~hope you'll stick around tonight~


I am still here.  Just popping in and out while catching up on the general new around the world.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 26, 2006, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "wreck"
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!


I don't have photobucket.  :cry:

Don't cry Lala's I didn't get mine to work either.

"Photobucket" is free!  
http://photobucket.com/
It is not hard -- you simply "upload" your Avatar image to the Photobucket webpage and it will generate a free URL to host your image. Works very similar to "tinyURL".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 26, 2006, 11:17:03 PM
.
And look what else I found in my photobucket that someone made.  Guess I am not the only one with an irrational dislike for the MySpace guy   Tom.  (Not our Tom on SM but the one who started the MySpace and sticks his mug on every site that signs up there.)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/20kawr5_th.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:19:34 PM
LaLa's hold on a minute and I'll post your avatar url for you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:21:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
LaLa's hold on a minute and I'll post your avatar url for you


LaLa's - copy and paste this into the 3rd option in the avatar section in your profile:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/lalamom.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 26, 2006, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
San and LaLa's - your avatar needs to be in photobucket or similar.  Then you copy and paste the plain url, not with the IMG tags and paste it in the 3rd option in your profile for avatars.

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:22:56 PM
I'm checking to see if my avatar is working!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:24:31 PM
uumm guess that answered my question!  haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 26, 2006, 11:28:41 PM
Yippee!  I now have satellite radio.  Now I hope to get cable hookup very soon.  How does one avoid a static IP address? I have PC-cillin virus protection with all the bells & whistles for spyware & firewall.  But I still would like to have a dynamic  or masked IP.  Can one of our computer whizzes help me out, please? TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:28:56 PM
ok, help!  I don't want to be nekked anymore!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 26, 2006, 11:29:46 PM
Hey Monkeys!  It has been a while since I posted but I have read here everyday.  It saddened me to see people bickering a couple of weeks ago that I just couldn't post.  I am glad to see that things have settled down!

Klaas....could you, would you please post my avatar in photobucket and give me the url?  TIA!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 26, 2006, 11:31:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
anidac,

Any chance of getting you to email me the information on the ID of Shango?  My address is in my profile.

TIA!!



I would love to have that info too, please!  Didn't Anidac offer it to any monkey that wanted it about a month ago?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 26, 2006, 11:33:13 PM
Time to goto bed, just wanted to check to see if my icon was working..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!  It has been a while since I posted but I have read here everyday.  It saddened me to see people bickering a couple of weeks ago that I just couldn't post.  I am glad to see that things have settled down!

Klaas....could you, would you please post my avatar in photobucket and give me the url?  TIA!!!


Here you go.  Copy this link and paste it in the 3rd option available in your profile in the avatar section:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/crazymom.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:34:27 PM
yay!!! I'm back!  Can't believe I figured it out for myself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
CASA - I don't have your avatar saved so I can't help you with it.  Sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 26, 2006, 11:35:42 PM
Klaas
YOU ROCK!!

Thanks a bunch!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
CASA - I don't have your avatar saved so I can't help you with it.  Sorry.


Thanks Klaasend for the offer!  I went to photobucket and uploaded it.  My youngest daughter would be proud of me!! She usually has to do this stuff for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 26, 2006, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!  It has been a while since I posted but I have read here everyday.  It saddened me to see people bickering a couple of weeks ago that I just couldn't post.  I am glad to see that things have settled down!

Klaas....could you, would you please post my avatar in photobucket and give me the url?  TIA!!!


Here you go.  Copy this link and paste it in the 3rd option available in your profile in the avatar section:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/crazymom.gif

Thanks Klaas.  I think you are the best!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 26, 2006, 11:48:09 PM
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 26, 2006, 11:49:14 PM
Wow!! It feels great to be back in the cage!  Has anyone heard from None today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:52:00 PM
It's great to be back with all our clothes on!  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 26, 2006, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
anidac,

Any chance of getting you to email me the information on the ID of Shango?  My address is in my profile.

TIA!!

.


Anna - right now all emails in profiles are turned off.  There is a problem that Tom is working on fixing.


Thanks, Klaas,

I will send it to her at the address that is normally in her profile.  Hope that will work.   :wink:

.


Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  

Look, research is my livelihood and I am published several times a month in industry publications as well as live interviews and speaking tours.  I have no desire to allow my name to be drug threw the mud any further as a result of this case by those how have nothing better to do than paint targets on innocent people trying to help in their own way or those that are tar & feathering people for doing their own homework and sharing what they find.

So, in short, the answer is no.  I will not be sending my research documents to any one on this board or any other.  As I found information I passed it through the proper channels to ensure it landed in the hands of the family and their agents.  I also sent key pieces to the various law enforcement and media contacts.  I was asked to not publicly discuss only a few issues concerning the matter until given clearance and I complied.  Once I received an okay I know for a fact that all of my information on Shango had been posted openly on the forums at least three different times.  The accusations that I have been withholding information and only sharing it with special people behind the scenes are incorrect.  I cannot be held responsible for the memory loss of others or the technical difficults resulting in the lose of previous post on the board.  I have shared all I am going to share on this topic.

I am fully aware that before that I had offered to send the information or post it several weeks ago but after the posts I have seen surrounding my offer and the nasty emails, I have decided it is best to just drop the subject.  To be honest, I was very hurt by some of the words I received.  Sorry for the inconvenience but my time and emotional bank is too valuable to me to go down that road again.  Go ahead and blast away.  I can take it.  As you can see I have taken to lurking for the most part without even logging in.  Please stop linking all of my work to what ever Rob says or doesn’t say.  It wasn’t his research and I can not control any ones’ statements other than my own whether they are correct or incorrect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 26, 2006, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Wow!! It feels great to be back in the cage!  Has anyone heard from None today?


It's sure good to see you crazymom!! :D   none posted in the monkey lounge today.  I don't know if she has been here on LCD though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 26, 2006, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: "casa"
It's great to be back with all our clothes on!  lol


I hope I get some cloths soon!!  I'm feelin all nekky.  Ohhhhhh nooooooo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 26, 2006, 11:54:55 PM
hi, what a PITA...photobucket wants to know if I have college loans and there is no escape..wth?  My avatar isn't important right now...I'll email it to someone for help if time allows...

Guess missing Inside Edition was not an issue tonight.  

Despite my rant, everyone looks mahvelous!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 26, 2006, 11:55:02 PM
Hey Gang..
Trying to catch up ... then I'll have to go (of course)
tcumom
Want a dog???

anidac
Not yet...Need to take it to Kinkos for Photo quality paper 1st.

Anna

You need a trip to the Hair stylist...JMO  :wink:
Anidac
Quote from: "anidac"
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.
1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.
2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.


Yes... but this is the one that 3 weeks ago needed $$$ to get car out of impound because of a 9 month expired auto tag.. and an 8 month old speeding ticket from Nevada or Utah and 2 weeks ago... $$$ for a lost payroll check that would take at least 10 day to re-issue..
And DAWG is like him or is he like DAWG :wink:

BTW are your kids still on  YOUR auto insurance ??  {ducking & running}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 26, 2006, 11:57:22 PM
Testing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 26, 2006, 11:57:28 PM
anidac  I'm so sorry to hear that you were treated so badly by some. :roll:  
 
I for one appreciate everything you have done.  :wink:

Anna's one of the good guys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2006, 11:57:53 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Snoopy[/b] - other than xmas ones all I could find was this right now:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/snoop.jpg)

Copy and paste this url in the 3rd option for avatars in your profile:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/snoop.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 26, 2006, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Quote from: "casa"
It's great to be back with all our clothes on!  lol


I hope I get some cloths soon!!  I'm feelin all nekky.  Ohhhhhh nooooooo.


If I could give you some clothes I would!! I promise!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 12:00:06 AM
OF, you hit the nail on the head most of the time...and make me smile, because you see all angles...

Anidac. I will wait for your response before going into more detail on why OF's last post struck a cord/chord/ (clearing throat)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: "anidac"


Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  



anidac, I am sorry to hear that you received unpleasant emails regarding the info you posted on Shango. I hope that they have stopped.  Do you think any of the emails you received were a result of the problem Tom is fixing?  I understand if you don't want to answer as I have been lurking also.  I feel that I know what your integrity and motives are and I wouldn't question you for a minute!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: klaasend
Quote from: "snoopy"
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Snoopy[/b] - other than xmas ones all I could find was this right now:



Thanks Klaasend!!  You're the greatest!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:04:34 AM
I still have my little pink monkey that someone can have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Quote from: "casa"
It's great to be back with all our clothes on!  lol


I hope I get some cloths soon!!  I'm feelin all nekky.  Ohhhhhh nooooooo.


If I could give you some clothes I would!! I promise!


Thanks casa!!  Klaasend got me all fixed up.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:05:20 AM
Quote from: snoopy
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Snoopy[/b] - other than xmas ones all I could find was this right now:



Thanks Klaasend!!  You're the greatest!!  :D



You look wonderful, Snoopy!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: casa
Quote from: "snoopy"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Snoopy[/b] - other than xmas ones all I could find was this right now:



Thanks Klaasend!!  You're the greatest!!  :D



You look wonderful, Snoopy!!!!!


Thanks casa. You look great too!!  I use to have a kitty cat that looked just like you.  Her name was cuddles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 12:07:33 AM
Well, I guess I don't have the steam to stay up so, I'll say goodnight...see ya nekky whenever I can get back in here.

Prayers for Nat, 'None' & All.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 12:08:20 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Well, I guess I don't have the steam to stay up so, I'll say goodnight...see ya nekky whenever I can get back in here.

Prayers for Nat, 'None' & All.


Good Night 2NJ.  Sleep tight


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Well, I guess I don't have the steam to stay up so, I'll say goodnight...see ya nekky whenever I can get back in here.

Prayers for Nat, 'None' & All.


The only avatar I have of yours is the toilet one??  you want that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:09:54 AM
Quote from: snoopy
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Howdy everybody!!  :D

Klaasend  I lost my cloths when my puuter crashed and burned a while back.  Would you happen to have any I could borrow if ya know what I mean.  Thanks.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Snoopy[/b] - other than xmas ones all I could find was this right now:



Thanks Klaasend!!  You're the greatest!!  :D



You look wonderful, Snoopy!!!!!


Thanks casa. You look great too!!  I use to have a kitty cat that looked just like you.  Her name was cuddles.



Cuddles must have been really cute!! I have a yellow kitty cat named Boo who looks sort of like my kitty here.  My Boo has a little white on him though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Well, I guess I don't have the steam to stay up so, I'll say goodnight...see ya nekky whenever I can get back in here.

Prayers for Nat, 'None' & All.


The only avatar I have of yours is the toilet one??  you want that?


I have this one:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/2njbow.gif


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/2njbow.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 12:10:34 AM
Anidac
I was the first person to ask you and I am truly sorry if I said anything that upset you.  I never meant for that to happen.   Please accept my apology. I would never question your integrity because I have seen how tirelessly you have worked to help the family find answers.  Again, I am sorry if I am the one that started this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
It's great to be out of the "nudist" blog since we aren't nekky anymore.  I guess we can open our eyes now!  However, I am sitting here with a t -shirt on wondering how I got sunburned today.  I guess after lathering 8-7year old kids up I forgot to sunscreen myself. Sometimes I wonder.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Tylergal on July 27, 2006, 12:11:01 AM
{{edit}}

Those kind of remarks will not be tolerated


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "wreck"
We discovered last thread if you go back to your "profile" and re-load the URL of your Avatar in the "3rd" option (use off-site location) -- the Avatars are working again. (provided you saved your Avatar to "photobucket" , "imageshack", or the like!


I don't have photobucket.  :cry:

Don't cry Lala's I didn't get mine to work either.


{{{hugs}}}  San ~ I see you both got them to work now!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 12:14:10 AM
casa, I am waiting for the kitty to take off running and spitting in a circle with its little back arched!!!LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 27, 2006, 12:14:58 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
[
Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  

Look, research is my livelihood and I am published several times a month in industry publications as well as live interviews and speaking tours.  I have no desire to allow my name to be drug threw the mud any further as a result of this case by those how have nothing better to do than paint targets on innocent people trying to help in their own way or those that are tar & feathering people for doing their own homework and sharing what they find.

So, in short, the answer is no.  I will not be sending my research documents to any one on this board or any other.  As I found information I passed it through the proper channels to ensure it landed in the hands of the family and their agents.  I also sent key pieces to the various law enforcement and media contacts.  I was asked to not publicly discuss only a few issues concerning the matter until given clearance and I complied.  Once I received an okay I know for a fact that all of my information on Shango had been posted openly on the forums at least three different times.  The accusations that I have been withholding information and only sharing it with special people behind the scenes are incorrect.  I cannot be held responsible for the memory loss of others or the technical difficults resulting in the lose of previous post on the board.  I have shared all I am going to share on this topic.

I am fully aware that before that I had offered to send the information or post it several weeks ago but after the posts I have seen surrounding my offer and the nasty emails, I have decided it is best to just drop the subject.  To be honest, I was very hurt by some of the words I received.  Sorry for the inconvenience but my time and emotional bank is too valuable to me to go down that road again.  Go ahead and blast away.  I can take it.  As you can see I have taken to lurking for the most part without even logging in.  Please stop linking all of my work to what ever Rob says or doesn’t say.  It wasn’t his research and I can not control any ones’ statements other than my own whether they are correct or incorrect.



ANIDAC,

I most vehemently deny that I have sent you any emails that were other than civil and polite and very short and to the point.  I have NEVER accused you of anything and deeply resent your saying that I have.  

You are the one who volunteered to provide the information to any monkey who wanted it.  Well, I wanted it and have waited rather patiently for almost two months to receive it.

But saying that I have sent you NASTY EMAILS if just not true.  It is not my fault you offered the information.  Yes, I did state that it was still an issue as it comes up from time to time and also I stated that Rob posted he did not know for sure who Shango was so that was why I was asking for it again but that is in no way a nasty email.  It is a fact.

I am very glad that I have kept a copy of every email I ever sent to you as I have documentation that absolutely NONE of them were "NASTY" as you claim.  I cannot imagine why you would react in this manner because I have politely asked you only for information you volunteered to give.  

If you truly did not intend to share the information then perhaps you should not have offered to do so.  All I did was ask for it.  And as for associating you with Rob on that, I thought that was what the two of you said at the time Rob posted what he, at that time thought was the identity of Shango.

But it's just as well because I don't know how a person can verify who is on the other side of a computer anyway.  An IP maybe but not who was posting unless they admit it and I don't believe Gabe Leo would do that.  I may be wrong about that but it is contrary to all his posts on the front page.

Again, I deny EVER sending you or any other monkey any NASTY EMAILS and deeply resent your falsely claiming that I have.  And I have the copy of each one I sent you, about one every ten days since you were out of town part of the time.

Anna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:16:46 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OF, you hit the nail on the head most of the time...and make me smile, because you see all angles...

Anidac. I will wait for your response before going into more detail on why OF's last post struck a cord/chord/ (clearing throat)


??? What did I do / say that someone else agreeded with ME on  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:17:16 AM
ENOUGH


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Gang..
Trying to catch up ... then I'll have to go (of course)
tcumom
Want a dog???

anidac
Not yet...Need to take it to Kinkos for Photo quality paper 1st.

Anna

You need a trip to the Hair stylist...JMO  :wink:
Anidac
Quote from: "anidac"
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.
1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.
2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.


Yes... but this is the one that 3 weeks ago needed $$$ to get car out of impound because of a 9 month expired auto tag.. and an 8 month old speeding ticket from Nevada or Utah and 2 weeks ago... $$$ for a lost payroll check that would take at least 10 day to re-issue..
And DAWG is like him or is he like DAWG :wink:

BTW are your kids still on  YOUR auto insurance ??  {ducking & running}


Been there done that more than once but at least the notices came to us since our name is on their cars so we paid the fines before impounding.

Yesterday, my son was in a horrible accident with his new Cobalt SS that we made the first payment on only the day before.  The car is a total lose and he is a little beat up and scrambled but at least he is okay.  He was T-Boned which flipped the car and spun it several times.  The roof is raised over a foot and the frame is twisted.  He bought the car because his 2004 Cavalier was totaled about 6 weeks ago by flooding the engine from the floods we had here.  Neither one where his fault at all.  He is the only one of the four that has never even had a ticket in the past.  His three sisters have had all the other accidents.  Today, we arranged to purchase the exact same car all over again.  Ugh.  Got a better price though and a special interest rate that is almost half what he had the first tme.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:21:27 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
casa, I am waiting for the kitty to take off running and spitting in a circle with its little back arched!!!LOL


Yep, he looks like he is ready to do just that!! Wouldn't it be cool is he would! ha ha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:25:38 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Gang..
Trying to catch up ... then I'll have to go (of course)
tcumom
Want a dog???

anidac
Not yet...Need to take it to Kinkos for Photo quality paper 1st.

Anna

You need a trip to the Hair stylist...JMO  :wink:
Anidac
Quote from: "anidac"
OF - At this point I would be thrilled to get a call like that from one of my 4.  It would mean several important things.
1:  They are finaly out of my house and on their own with a yard that can house a dog.
2:  It isn't another car accident call.  I have had 6 in 6 months and I am very sick of sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next one and helping to replace vehicles.  Now that was only the last 6 months.  The four of them average about 3 incidents combined per year with some years being worse than others.


Yes... but this is the one that 3 weeks ago needed $$$ to get car out of impound because of a 9 month expired auto tag.. and an 8 month old speeding ticket from Nevada or Utah and 2 weeks ago... $$$ for a lost payroll check that would take at least 10 day to re-issue..
And DAWG is like him or is he like DAWG :wink:

BTW are your kids still on  YOUR auto insurance ??  {ducking & running}


Oh...don't go there.  The two younger girls are still on our policy but the two older ones are not.  Don't ask...LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:27:07 AM
Need to take a shower, will be back in a bit


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 12:27:37 AM
Good night everybody!!  See ya'll tomm. sometime.  Gotta go help my daughter get her apartment ready to move back into for college.

We're trying to figure out if we are going to miss her, or her puppy daisy more.  JK.....kindof :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:28:16 AM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Good night everybody!!  See ya'll tomm. sometime.  Gotta go help my daughter get her apartment ready to move back into for college.

We're trying to figure out if we are going to miss her, or her puppy daisy more.  JK.....kindof :lol:  :lol:


Night Night, Snoopy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: lexie on July 27, 2006, 12:28:56 AM
Good evening, everyone...

No news I see.  Red is sure burning up the front pages, though!  

Anidac, sounds like your son was very lucky.  Glad he was not more seriously hurt.  Cars (even new ones) can be replaced.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:32:04 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "anidac"


Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  



anidac, I am sorry to hear that you received unpleasant emails regarding the info you posted on Shango. I hope that they have stopped.  Do you think any of the emails you received were a result of the problem Tom is fixing?  I understand if you don't want to answer as I have been lurking also.  I feel that I know what your integrity and motives are and I wouldn't question you for a minute!


 I don't understand.  What problem is Tom working on?  Thank you and others that have posted kind words tonight.  And yes, I do still get emails that are not exactly the nicest requests for the information.  I have chosen to not reply any further on that specific topic.  Knowing who Shango/Simien are will not find Nat in any case but will stir up another mud slinging event that is not needed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 12:33:52 AM
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:34:58 AM
(http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image  I am trying to post a picture I found and I don't know if I did it right or not so if I didn't. Klaasend. you can delete this if you want to.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Anidac
I was the first person to ask you and I am truly sorry if I said anything that upset you.  I never meant for that to happen.   Please accept my apology. I would never question your integrity because I have seen how tirelessly you have worked to help the family find answers.  Again, I am sorry if I am the one that started this.


Lala you where only one of several.  And some of the others are displaying a different face on the topic online than they have in there emails.  My trust meter is not sure which way to point at this point.  Not in terms of the research information but in terms of exposure to personal attack behind the scenes and causing unnecessary stress on the board.  To be honest I could care less about any of it any more.  It just isn't important.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:35:50 AM
ok, that really didn't work! :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Anna on July 27, 2006, 12:36:30 AM
[quote="anidac
 I don't understand.  What problem is Tom working on?  Thank you and others that have posted kind words tonight.  And yes, I do still get emails that are not exactly the nicest requests for the information.  I have chosen to not reply any further on that specific topic.  Knowing who Shango/Simien are will not find Nat in any case but will stir up another mud slinging event that is not needed.[/quote]


I have NEVER sent you or any other monkey a nasty email and vehemently deny having done other that a very brief request for information you offered to freely give.

If you changed your mind, that is not my fault and I would appreciate it if you would stop saying I sent you nasty emails or now they are less than nice.

That is just not true, anidac, and you know it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 12:36:47 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


guess not, hmmm. ya'll just excuse me while i dinker with this a moment


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:37:23 AM
Just JUMPING in where I do NOT belong  and  bringing this(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/6e101d32.jpg)

ANNA  
I do not see where IT was any  e-mail that you may have sent to Anidac that they were refering to...
If this is late and things have been worked out ... I'm sorry I had to used use  the facilities  :oops:

JMO


Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "anidac"
[
Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  

Look, research is my livelihood and I am published several times a month in industry publications as well as live interviews and speaking tours.  I have no desire to allow my name to be drug threw the mud any further as a result of this case by those how have nothing better to do than paint targets on innocent people trying to help in their own way or those that are tar & feathering people for doing their own homework and sharing what they find.

So, in short, the answer is no.  I will not be sending my research documents to any one on this board or any other.  As I found information I passed it through the proper channels to ensure it landed in the hands of the family and their agents.  I also sent key pieces to the various law enforcement and media contacts.  I was asked to not publicly discuss only a few issues concerning the matter until given clearance and I complied.  Once I received an okay I know for a fact that all of my information on Shango had been posted openly on the forums at least three different times.  The accusations that I have been withholding information and only sharing it with special people behind the scenes are incorrect.  I cannot be held responsible for the memory loss of others or the technical difficults resulting in the lose of previous post on the board.  I have shared all I am going to share on this topic.

I am fully aware that before that I had offered to send the information or post it several weeks ago but after the posts I have seen surrounding my offer and the nasty emails, I have decided it is best to just drop the subject.  To be honest, I was very hurt by some of the words I received.  Sorry for the inconvenience but my time and emotional bank is too valuable to me to go down that road again.  Go ahead and blast away.  I can take it.  As you can see I have taken to lurking for the most part without even logging in.  Please stop linking all of my work to what ever Rob says or doesn’t say.  It wasn’t his research and I can not control any ones’ statements other than my own whether they are correct or incorrect.



ANIDAC,

I most vehemently deny that I have sent you any emails that were other than civil and polite and very short and to the point.  I have NEVER accused you of anything and deeply resent your saying that I have.  

You are the one who volunteered to provide the information to any monkey who wanted it.  Well, I wanted it and have waited rather patiently for almost two months to receive it.

But saying that I have sent you NASTY EMAILS if just not true.  It is not my fault you offered the information.  Yes, I did state that it was still an issue as it comes up from time to time and also I stated that Rob posted he did not know for sure who Shango was so that was why I was asking for it again but that is in no way a nasty email.  It is a fact.

I am very glad that I have kept a copy of every email I ever sent to you as I have documentation that absolutely NONE of them were "NASTY" as you claim.  I cannot imagine why you would react in this manner because I have politely asked you only for information you volunteered to give.  

If you truly did not intend to share the information then perhaps you should not have offered to do so.  All I did was ask for it.  And as for associating you with Rob on that, I thought that was what the two of you said at the time Rob posted what he, at that time thought was the identity of Shango.

But it's just as well because I don't know how a person can verify who is on the other side of a computer anyway.  An IP maybe but not who was posting unless they admit it and I don't believe Gabe Leo would do that.  I may be wrong about that but it is contrary to all his posts on the front page.

Again, I deny EVER sending you or any other monkey any NASTY EMAILS and deeply resent your falsely claiming that I have.  And I have the copy of each one I sent you, about one every ten days since you were out of town part of the time.

Anna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:38:41 AM
Oldfart, how did you get that picture of the salt?  I'm really struggling her to post an image I found!! :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:39:38 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "anidac"


Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  



anidac, I am sorry to hear that you received unpleasant emails regarding the info you posted on Shango. I hope that they have stopped.  Do you think any of the emails you received were a result of the problem Tom is fixing?  I understand if you don't want to answer as I have been lurking also.  I feel that I know what your integrity and motives are and I wouldn't question you for a minute!


 I don't understand.  What problem is Tom working on?  Thank you and others that have posted kind words tonight.  And yes, I do still get emails that are not exactly the nicest requests for the information.  I have chosen to not reply any further on that specific topic.  Knowing who Shango/Simien are will not find Nat in any case but will stir up another mud slinging event that is not needed.


{{{hugs}}}  Our email addresses were available for everyone to see...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 12:40:14 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Oldfart, how did you get that picture of the salt?  I'm really struggling her to post an image I found!! :?

the image you tried to post had the " [/img] at the end of your post instead of at the end of your image URL.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:41:32 AM
Thanks, Wreck, this is too complicated for my feeble brain!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 12:41:53 AM
(http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "anidac"
[
Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  

Look, research is my livelihood and I am published several times a month in industry publications as well as live interviews and speaking tours.  I have no desire to allow my name to be drug threw the mud any further as a result of this case by those how have nothing better to do than paint targets on innocent people trying to help in their own way or those that are tar & feathering people for doing their own homework and sharing what they find.

So, in short, the answer is no.  I will not be sending my research documents to any one on this board or any other.  As I found information I passed it through the proper channels to ensure it landed in the hands of the family and their agents.  I also sent key pieces to the various law enforcement and media contacts.  I was asked to not publicly discuss only a few issues concerning the matter until given clearance and I complied.  Once I received an okay I know for a fact that all of my information on Shango had been posted openly on the forums at least three different times.  The accusations that I have been withholding information and only sharing it with special people behind the scenes are incorrect.  I cannot be held responsible for the memory loss of others or the technical difficults resulting in the lose of previous post on the board.  I have shared all I am going to share on this topic.

I am fully aware that before that I had offered to send the information or post it several weeks ago but after the posts I have seen surrounding my offer and the nasty emails, I have decided it is best to just drop the subject.  To be honest, I was very hurt by some of the words I received.  Sorry for the inconvenience but my time and emotional bank is too valuable to me to go down that road again.  Go ahead and blast away.  I can take it.  As you can see I have taken to lurking for the most part without even logging in.  Please stop linking all of my work to what ever Rob says or doesn’t say.  It wasn’t his research and I can not control any ones’ statements other than my own whether they are correct or incorrect.



ANIDAC,

I most vehemently deny that I have sent you any emails that were other than civil and polite and very short and to the point.  I have NEVER accused you of anything and deeply resent your saying that I have.  

You are the one who volunteered to provide the information to any monkey who wanted it.  Well, I wanted it and have waited rather patiently for almost two months to receive it.

But saying that I have sent you NASTY EMAILS if just not true.  It is not my fault you offered the information.  Yes, I did state that it was still an issue as it comes up from time to time and also I stated that Rob posted he did not know for sure who Shango was so that was why I was asking for it again but that is in no way a nasty email.  It is a fact.

I am very glad that I have kept a copy of every email I ever sent to you as I have documentation that absolutely NONE of them were "NASTY" as you claim.  I cannot imagine why you would react in this manner because I have politely asked you only for information you volunteered to give.  

If you truly did not intend to share the information then perhaps you should not have offered to do so.  All I did was ask for it.  And as for associating you with Rob on that, I thought that was what the two of you said at the time Rob posted what he, at that time thought was the identity of Shango.

But it's just as well because I don't know how a person can verify who is on the other side of a computer anyway.  An IP maybe but not who was posting unless they admit it and I don't believe Gabe Leo would do that.  I may be wrong about that but it is contrary to all his posts on the front page.

Again, I deny EVER sending you or any other monkey any NASTY EMAILS and deeply resent your falsely claiming that I have.  And I have the copy of each one I sent you, about one every ten days since you were out of town part of the time.

Anna


EXCUSE ME ANNA BUT MY POST CONTAINS NO NAMES WHAT SO EVER.  STOP WITH THE BS.  I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.  READ ALL WORDS BEFORE ACCUSING PEOPLE OF THING THEY HAVE NOT DONE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 12:42:38 AM
Hard to imagine this discovery is about one year old.

Was Natalee’s Shirt found with the Duct Tape?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/was-natalies-shirt-found-with-the-duct-tape/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beachFABRICfind02.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:44:04 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


guess not, hmmm. ya'll just excuse me while i dinker with this a moment

Hey Spooky ~ your avatar has to be hosted on a site like PhotoBucket and then you have to choose the THIRD option for avatars in the profile...

If you don't have a PhotoBucket account ~ I'll host your avatar on mine...  but first I need your avatar because I don't have it...

And...

Incoming Prince pictures...  check your email...

I'm a little embarrassed to send the label graphics I made for my sister's set of Promo Video "Hits" ~ I'm not quite satisfied with the way they look...

But I blended screen shots of him and Cat...  and those I like...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:44:23 AM
E-mail Problem
used to be  if you sent an e-mail  (thru the profile link) you could it was sent but you did not have access the addrees it was sent to..

Since the last Crash/Restore... when you sent e-mail thru the profile
the address was available

It appears that some people have used that flaw to send e-mail to monkeys using a "Spoofed" e-mail address and/or Monkey names in the subject line..

IE... a message coming to you fom  e-mail addy of
OldF@xxxxx or Oldfart@xxxxx of Justme@xxxx with a topic of
Message from OldFart...

Is it from me ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:45:06 AM
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)
ok trying this again!  If it doesn't work, I'm quitting!

Note:  what you were doing is copying the url from the top of your tool bar instead of the IMG url under the photo in photobucket.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 12:45:22 AM
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Hard to imagine this discovery is about one year old.

Was Natalee’s Shirt found with the Duct Tape?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/was-natalies-shirt-found-with-the-duct-tape/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beachFABRICfind02.jpg)


That is the one piece of evidence I'm sure about.  I know that was a piece of Natalee's top.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:46:06 AM
OK ~ it's time for some eye candy...  purrrr  he's beautiful....

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/Prince.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 12:47:32 AM
Quote from: "casa"
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)

ok trying this again!  If it doesn't work, I'm quitting!

okay, click on the link you just posted. It will bring up a page with the image you want. Copy the "IMG" link at post it exactly like it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 12:47:53 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Hard to imagine this discovery is about one year old.

Was Natalee’s Shirt found with the Duct Tape?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/was-natalies-shirt-found-with-the-duct-tape/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beachFABRICfind02.jpg)


That is the one piece of evidence I'm sure about.  I know that was a piece of Natalee's top.


This TOP?

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/nat_beachcopy.jpg)


(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/greenshirt2copy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:48:08 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)


Yay, Wreck, you are the best!   We just have to hide it from Lala's so she won't write our names down in her book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:48:46 AM
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:49:29 AM
Yes Red - that top.  It sickens me that they BS'd the family and told them it was fishnet.  Unbelievable  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:50:35 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 12:50:50 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


guess not, hmmm. ya'll just excuse me while i dinker with this a moment

Hey Spooky ~ your avatar has to be hosted on a site like PhotoBucket and then you have to choose the THIRD option for avatars in the profile...

If you don't have a PhotoBucket account ~ I'll host your avatar on mine...  but first I need your avatar because I don't have it...

And...

Incoming Prince pictures...  check your email...

I'm a little embarrassed to send the label graphics I made for my sister's set of Promo Video "Hits" ~ I'm not quite satisfied with the way they look...

But I blended screen shots of him and Cat...  and those I like...


I do have my avatar in photobucket and I did choose the 3rd option and it still doesnt work, and it wont let me try a second time, it freezes the screen...so i give up. not a big deal and i really dont feel like getting irritated tonight.
Thank you, I'll look for the pics, they will make happy :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:51:34 AM
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:52:05 AM
Spooky - make sure you copy the url WITHOUT the IMG tags.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:52:21 AM
Quote from: "casa"
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)

ok trying this again!  If it doesn't work, I'm quitting!

CASA
is this what you are wanting??

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/610000498.jpg)

I clicked on the link for the page that you posted theb selected the  "IMG" reference for the pic.and copied it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:53:38 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "casa"
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)

ok trying this again!  If it doesn't work, I'm quitting!

CASA
is this what you are wanting??

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/610000498.jpg)

I clicked on the link for the page that you posted theb selected the  "IMG" reference for the pic.and copied it


 :oops:
WAS this one you wanted


(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: "casa"
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)


Casa - there are 3 url's under each image in photobucket.  You need to copy the IMG tag UNDER the photo you want to post.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "casa"
(http://http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image)

ok trying this again!  If it doesn't work, I'm quitting!

CASA
is this what you are wanting??

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/610000498.jpg)

I clicked on the link for the page that you posted theb selected the  "IMG" reference for the pic.and copied it


I was trying to get the smiley spitting but apparently I am not doing something right!  Wreck, did it but still not sure how.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 12:54:20 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "anidac"


Anna - Frankly I do not see the point.  After reading the numerous rather unpleasant emails that I received on the topic while I was out of the country on business and as well as attending to 3 separate and very urgent family matters before and after my trip, I am inclined to keep my research to myself on that topic.  The emails where almost accusatory in nature and linking me to people I didn't really work with on the information.  Some where questioning my motives and integrity, which is both hurtful and uncalled for.  



anidac, I am sorry to hear that you received unpleasant emails regarding the info you posted on Shango. I hope that they have stopped.  Do you think any of the emails you received were a result of the problem Tom is fixing?  I understand if you don't want to answer as I have been lurking also.  I feel that I know what your integrity and motives are and I wouldn't question you for a minute!


 I don't understand.  What problem is Tom working on?  Thank you and others that have posted kind words tonight.  And yes, I do still get emails that are not exactly the nicest requests for the information.  I have chosen to not reply any further on that specific topic.  Knowing who Shango/Simien are will not find Nat in any case but will stir up another mud slinging event that is not needed.


Apparently the email addresses in our profiles were visible to anyone who looked at our profiles.  This was just noticed either last night or earlier today.  So someone could get your email address and send you emails using members of this forums name. I truly hope that is the case. I feel that most of the posters here would have addressed their issues with you in the forum or at least told you that an email was coming your way.  JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:54:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


{{{hugs}}}  Klaas ~ I love you!  It's the way he moves...  and his eyes... and watching the expression on his face when he sings...  even when he just walks...  and smiles...

I'd give anything to dance with him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 12:55:12 AM
Quote
I do have my avatar in photobucket and I did choose the 3rd option and it still doesnt work, and it wont let me try a second time, it freezes the screen...so i give up. not a big deal and i really dont feel like getting irritated tonight.
Thank you, I'll look for the pics, they will make happy

Be sure and remove the image tags ( (http:// ) ) when you put the url in the "3rd" off-site box.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: anidac

<<snip>>Yesterday, my son was in a horrible accident with his new Cobalt SS that we made the first payment on only the day before.  The car is a total lose and he is a little beat up and scrambled but at least he is okay.  <<snip>>

That is all that matters... JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 12:56:08 AM
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addty(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)pe=local&media=image


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
OK ~ it's time for some eye candy...  purrrr  he's beautiful....

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/Prince.jpg)


Thank you KatzHome.  You knew just what was needed. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: oldfart
Quote from: "anidac"

<<snip>>Yesterday, my son was in a horrible accident with his new Cobalt SS that we made the first payment on only the day before.  The car is a total lose and he is a little beat up and scrambled but at least he is okay.  <<snip>>

That is all that matters... JMO


AMEN to that.  I was just thinking my oldest gets his driver's license in 9 years.  OMG!!! That is when I will have to take stronger anti anxiety meds!! LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 12:58:00 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


ALRIGHT! i was about to throw this computer across the room but I tried it one last time and it worked. Yay!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: "casa"
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addty(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)pe=local&media=image



(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/clap.gif)
Your getting there
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/aef93c8b.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: crazymom
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "anidac"

<<snip>>Yesterday, my son was in a horrible accident with his new Cobalt SS that we made the first payment on only the day before.  The car is a total lose and he is a little beat up and scrambled but at least he is okay.  <<snip>>

That is all that matters... JMO


AMEN to that.  I was just thinking my oldest gets his driver's license in 9 years.  OMG!!! That is when I will have to take stronger anti anxiety meds!! LOL


Better start a savings plan to deal with all the mishaps and booboos now.  You just might have enough time to cover maybe half of them. LOL

As for meds.  Start stocking those as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "casa"
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addty(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)pe=local&media=image



(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/clap.gif)
Your getting there
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/aef93c8b.gif)


THANKS! oldfart, I am getting better!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


ALRIGHT! i was about to throw this computer across the room but I tried it one last time and it worked. Yay!!!


Spooky, you are back to your beautiful self!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:03:13 AM
I see CarNut lurking out there.  HI CARNUT!  I miss talking with you. :wink:  Please jump in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 01:03:42 AM
Quote from: anidac
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "anidac"

<<snip>>Yesterday, my son was in a horrible accident with his new Cobalt SS that we made the first payment on only the day before.  The car is a total lose and he is a little beat up and scrambled but at least he is okay.  <<snip>>

That is all that matters... JMO


AMEN to that.  I was just thinking my oldest gets his driver's license in 9 years.  OMG!!! That is when I will have to take stronger anti anxiety meds!! LOL


Better start a savings plan to deal with all the mishaps and booboos now.  You just might have enough time to cover maybe half of them. LOL

As for meds.  Start stocking those as well.


I think first I will buy some shares of stock from the drug companies and go ahead and have a lawyer on retainer.....Actually, he has said that he will never drive because it scares him! HA!  I told him I wanted that in writing and notorized!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 01:04:45 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "casa"
http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/?sc=1&multi=1&addty(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)pe=local&media=image



(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/clap.gif)
Your getting there
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/aef93c8b.gif)

I ment to say... do a Quote on this post
Look at the where the (http://  and  ) tags are placed  before and aftere the images.. URL address  of http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif  
If you cliick on the URL you get the pic.. but when enclosed by the img stuff you see the pic


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:05:23 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


He would be if I were married to him, LOLOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:06:42 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


I didn't even know he was married.  I was in Starbucks tonight and picked up one of his CD's to read the cover and it had a golden ticket (like Willy Wonka) inside the plastic wrap to win a private concert in his home.  I don't care one way or another for Prince but was becoming restless waiting for my order and was just flipping through the rack.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 27, 2006, 01:06:56 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?

I saw that today~didn't want to upset Katz or thirdstrike with the news :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:07:00 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
OK ~ it's time for some eye candy...  purrrr  he's beautiful....

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/Prince.jpg)


Thank you KatzHome.  You knew just what was needed. :lol:


{{{hugs}}}  Anidac ~ I love you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazymom on July 27, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
I think I will call it a night and grab my puppy and sneak him into the bed before my husband wakes up.  He will be to groggy in the morning to realize Lucky slept in our bed!

Sleep well!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
I see CarNut lurking out there.  HI CARNUT!  I miss talking with you. :wink:  Please jump in.


Hi, Anidac, just been cutting up some green bell peppers.

Fraid I haven't been having much to say around here lately.

Sorry for the kids car troubles, kinda makes me glad I'm single with no kids.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:09:30 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?

I saw that today~didn't want to upset Katz or thirdstrike with the news :wink:  :wink:


Ohhhh  The poor guy...  Oh my gosh....  I wondered why the summer Vegas  thing didn't get off the ground...

I'd give anything to dance with that man...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 01:11:10 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


He would be if I were married to him, LOLOLOL  :lol:


LOL ... don't get me started. I have legendary "no Prince" chant stories from my college days.

I heard his wife wants half of his little red corvette & Raspberry beret ...  :shock:  :wink:

on that bad joke ... good nite ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
I think I will call it a night and grab my puppy and sneak him into the bed before my husband wakes up.  He will be to groggy in the morning to realize Lucky slept in our bed!

Sleep well!!


 :lol:  :lol: I remember when I snuck a kitten into the house when I was a kid...  he woke my sister up when he crawled into bed with her...

my mom knew right away it was me....

Good night ~ sweet dreams!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 01:12:16 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?

I saw that today~didn't want to upset Katz or thirdstrike with the news :wink:  :wink:


Ohhhh  The poor guy...  Oh my gosh....  I wondered why the summer Vegas  thing didn't get off the ground...

I'd give anything to dance with that man...


I know little or nothing about the artist, and really don't want to antagonize XXX, but did read a news article that P shut down some type of fan site he had going and lots of his fans were more than a bit dissappointed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


He would be if I were married to him, LOLOLOL  :lol:


LOL ... don't get me started. I have legendary "no Prince" chant stories from my college days.

I heard his wife wants half of his little red corvette & Raspberry beret ...  :shock:  :wink:

on that bad joke ... good nite ...


How old are you Red?  Prince would just kill me....  but, you know ~ I sure would die happy....

I'm 49 Red...  and would give anything to dance with him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 01:13:33 AM
Klaasend is ON it the 27th of July ????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:14:13 AM
KatzHome - I would have given anything to dance with Fred Astaire  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:14:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Hard to imagine this discovery is about one year old.

Was Natalee’s Shirt found with the Duct Tape?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/was-natalies-shirt-found-with-the-duct-tape/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beachFABRICfind02.jpg)


That is the one piece of evidence I'm sure about.  I know that was a piece of Natalee's top.


Yep, me too. I can't believe it's been a year.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:15:57 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend is ON it the 27th of July ????


If I'm guessing correctly what you are referring to YES.

I need to go dry my hair, BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:16:04 AM
Watching him do "Automatic" just about killed me the first 10 times I watched it...  each time I got a little closer to death...  O Lord...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 27, 2006, 01:16:35 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


LOL ... don't get me started. I have legendary "no Prince" chant stories from my college days.


I think he is creepy too.  I was surprised when I found out he was married to a woman. As far as his music - ehhhh - no comment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:17:04 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


ALRIGHT! i was about to throw this computer across the room but I tried it one last time and it worked. Yay!!!


Spooky, you are back to your beautiful self!


aww thank you. your little kitty is too cute!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:18:04 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KatzHome - I would have given anything to dance with Fred Astaire  :lol:


Me too, Klaas!!!!!!  I grew up watching him ~ and from there wanted dancing lessons as a kid...

And the big bands ~ Tommy & Jimmy Dorsey or is that Dorsy....

But Prince...  he's a whole 'nother story....  Oh my gosh....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:18:47 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


ALRIGHT! i was about to throw this computer across the room but I tried it one last time and it worked. Yay!!!


Spooky, you are back to your beautiful self!


aww thank you. your little kitty is too cute!!


Spooks!  You look lovely tonight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:19:00 AM
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 01:19:20 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I'm sorry, Klaas...  I figured Prince was as OT as fighting....  and at least Prince is hot....  :oops:   :D


I don't have a problem with the Prince picture, I just happen to think he creepy..ha ha ha.  I never could understand what women saw in him.


Isnt Prince getting divorced?


He would be if I were married to him, LOLOLOL  :lol:


LOL ... don't get me started. I have legendary "no Prince" chant stories from my college days.

I heard his wife wants half of his little red corvette & Raspberry beret ...  :shock:  :wink:

on that bad joke ... good nite ...


How old are you Red?  Prince would just kill me....  but, you know ~ I sure would die happy....

I'm 49 Red...  and would give anything to dance with him...


Red never tells his age ... lol ... but if you are a good sleuth you can find it out on SM.



However, I really have to run ... the AM comes too soon.

Everyone have a good nite and make Klaas' nite easy.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:19:55 AM
So there was nothing on Inside Edition?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 27, 2006, 01:19:58 AM
G'nite Monkeys.

"Mr. Sandman bring me a dream..."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Just jumping in to see if my avatar is working
How is everyone? :D


ALRIGHT! i was about to throw this computer across the room but I tried it one last time and it worked. Yay!!!


Spooky, you are back to your beautiful self!


aww thank you. your little kitty is too cute!!


Thanks, Spooky!  I have my two kitty cats who live with me.  I would have a housefull if I could take care of them.  Also I am a little allergic and can get by with two but I think more than that and I would have to be on medication everyday!!  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:21:42 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "anidac"
I see CarNut lurking out there.  HI CARNUT!  I miss talking with you. :wink:  Please jump in.


Hi, Anidac, just been cutting up some green bell peppers.

Fraid I haven't been having much to say around here lately.

Sorry for the kids car troubles, kinda makes me glad I'm single with no kids.


What-cha cookin!  I haven't posted much either for several weeks.  I don't have anything left to contribute OT but I have made several friends on the board that I miss talking too.  You are among them sweetie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:21:46 AM
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:22:46 AM
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:22:48 AM
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/casa217/spit.gif)

Ok, I am trying this ONE more time and if it doesn't work I am giving up cause it's about to make me mad!! :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Do you happen to have your avatar saved in somewhere like photobucket?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:25:15 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Hey Spook!!  ;)

Yeah...scrolled through and saw it!  Screencap from the "LRC" video.  That's a good one...although I'm more of a fan of the music then the "image", ya know?  He is one cool MF'er though...;)

Read today his old lady filed for divorce.  I've suspected this for a while now.  His new protege, Tamar Davis, may be more then just an "apprentice", dig??  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 01:25:33 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "anidac"
I see CarNut lurking out there.  HI CARNUT!  I miss talking with you. :wink:  Please jump in.


Hi, Anidac, just been cutting up some green bell peppers.

Fraid I haven't been having much to say around here lately.

Sorry for the kids car troubles, kinda makes me glad I'm single with no kids.


What-cha cookin!  I haven't posted much either for several weeks.  I don't have anything left to contribute OT but I have made several friends on the board that I miss talking too.  You are among them sweetie.


Heh, Heh, no cooking here, just eat them raw and salted.

Funny how melancholy I get cutting them up, thinking how my poor ole single working mother used to do that, and she never was much of a cook either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:25:44 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


Prince...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:26:05 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Do you happen to have your avatar saved in somewhere like photobucket?


Nope.  Don't know how to do that.  I do have it saved on my comp though...

Katz, you gonna hook me up girl?  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:26:30 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Third
- your avatar needs to be in photobucket.  Then you copy the url without the IMG tags and paste it in the 3rd option where you add avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:26:41 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


 :lol: Hi Strike...  Sorry ~ you asked what **the** word was tonight...  and I just answered....   :oops:  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:27:02 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


Prince...


Yeah, I saw that Klass!!  My influence is stronger then I had anticipated...;)

Good to see there's good taste aplenty in here though...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:27:45 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Do you happen to have your avatar saved in somewhere like photobucket?


Nope.  Don't know how to do that.  I do have it saved on my comp though...

Katz, you gonna hook me up girl?  ;)


If Katz has it in photobucket she can send you the link.  She did not have mine so I went to photobucket.com and joined and saved mine there from my computer and then put it here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:29:38 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Third
- your avatar needs to be in photobucket.  Then you copy the url without the IMG tags and paste it in the 3rd option where you add avatars.


Strike ~ If you just go to the Profile ~ at the bottom ~ and choose the THIRD option
Link to off-site Avatar:
Enter the URL of the location containing the Avatar image you wish to link to.


You can just put in the http:// which ever picture you liked better...  if you want to use either of them....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:30:46 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Hey Spook!!  ;)

Yeah...scrolled through and saw it!  Screencap from the "LRC" video.  That's a good one...although I'm more of a fan of the music then the "image", ya know?  He is one cool MF'er though...;)

Read today his old lady filed for divorce.  I've suspected this for a while now.  His new protege, Tamar Davis, may be more then just an "apprentice", dig??  ;)


 :wink:
I have a pic of Dave Chapelle as Prince and I tried to use it as an avatar tonight but it needs to be resized and I don't know how to do that :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:32:07 AM
Damn I'm good!!  ;)  It's back...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:32:32 AM
Thirdstrike - I think this is the only one I have of yours:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/3rdst.jpg)

Copy and poste this link into the 3rd option in your profile where the avatars are uploaded:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/3rdst.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:32:42 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


Do you happen to have your avatar saved in somewhere like photobucket?


Nope.  Don't know how to do that.  I do have it saved on my comp though...

Katz, you gonna hook me up girl?  ;)


Of course, Strike!

Read my email again....  I don't know which picture you like better but here's the 2 links to choose from:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PurpleCoolStrike.jpg)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PurpleCoolStrike.jpg

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PurpleStrikeCandle.gif)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PurpleStrikeCandle.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:33:23 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
OK, do I get the tutorial on how to get my avatar up??  Who's the expert?


You got it!  Cool!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:34:15 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Hey Spook!!  ;)

Yeah...scrolled through and saw it!  Screencap from the "LRC" video.  That's a good one...although I'm more of a fan of the music then the "image", ya know?  He is one cool MF'er though...;)

Read today his old lady filed for divorce.  I've suspected this for a while now.  His new protege, Tamar Davis, may be more then just an "apprentice", dig??  ;)


You could see that when they sang together...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:35:43 AM
And ~ I'd still give all that I've got to dance with him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 27, 2006, 01:36:05 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


You're looking very purple cool..

Red was just mentioning "no Prince" chants in his pre-monkey life - it looks like you showed up just as he ducked out   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:36:25 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Hey Spook!!  ;)

Yeah...scrolled through and saw it!  Screencap from the "LRC" video.  That's a good one...although I'm more of a fan of the music then the "image", ya know?  He is one cool MF'er though...;)

Read today his old lady filed for divorce.  I've suspected this for a while now.  His new protege, Tamar Davis, may be more then just an "apprentice", dig??  ;)


You could see that when they sang together...


Yup!!  I saw that way back when they performed together (for the first time on TV) on SNL.  I have to admit myself...that girl is cute as all hell!  Have a crush on her... :oops:

You like this one better (my avatar)?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:36:30 AM
Prince was from my era and I like some of his early classics from back in the day but he later stuff after he changed his name to a symbol wasn't very appealing to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:36:52 AM
:oops: I'm posting all by myself again....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:38:17 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Hi Third did you see the pic that Katz posted for us? :D


Hey Spook!!  ;)

Yeah...scrolled through and saw it!  Screencap from the "LRC" video.  That's a good one...although I'm more of a fan of the music then the "image", ya know?  He is one cool MF'er though...;)

Read today his old lady filed for divorce.  I've suspected this for a while now.  His new protege, Tamar Davis, may be more then just an "apprentice", dig??  ;)


You could see that when they sang together...


Yup!!  I saw that way back when they performed together (for the first time on TV) on SNL.  I have to admit myself...that girl is cute as all hell!  Have a crush on her... :oops:

You like this one better (my avatar)?


purrrr  what a beautiful avatar....

And I guess anyone could guess...  I've got a crush on him ~ always have ~ and always will....  purrrrr    :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:38:20 AM
I'm here, Katz.  I'm playing with the picture stuff!  I think I may have the hang of it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:38:37 AM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


You're looking very purple cool..

Red was just mentioning "no Prince" chants in his pre-monkey life - it looks like you showed up just as he ducked out   :lol:


Yeah, I've had that (brief) conversation w/him and Scarlett!  It's ok if he doesn't have very good taste in music!  ;)  I won't hold it against him...

Saying "no Prince" via a chant is like saying "no air" or "no pizza"!!  We, as a society, would be lost without him...;)

How you doing Slueth, BTW?  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 01:39:01 AM
Ok, I am off reading this piece that BFN put together. Excellent work!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:39:45 AM
Quote from: "casa"
I'm here, Katz.  I'm playing with the picture stuff!  I think I may have the hang of it!


{{{hugs}}}  Casa cutie pie!  Yeah...  Pictures are fun....  


 :oops: videos are better..


real life just might kill me... but, I'd die happy...   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:40:16 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Ok, I am off reading this piece that BFN put together. Excellent work!!


I am amazed that someone could put that all together!  I printed it off today and have read some of it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:41:04 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Prince was from my era and I like some of his early classics from back in the day but he later stuff after he changed his name to a symbol wasn't very appealing to me.


Yeah, I've heard that argued a lot actually anidac!  I too have been a fan since the early days (probably dating me a bit, but I was a young buck when I first started listening to him).  But, you just have to listen w/an open mind (to the new stuff), and you'll begin to feel what you felt with the so-called "classics".  All the elements are there.  Even hisn newest disc "3121" has an old time Prince feel...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:41:13 AM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello late shifters!!  ;)

What's the word?


You're looking very purple cool..

Red was just mentioning "no Prince" chants in his pre-monkey life - it looks like you showed up just as he ducked out   :lol:


Wow Sleuth ~ I'd forgotten how cute you are!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 27, 2006, 01:41:24 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "casa"
I'm here, Katz.  I'm playing with the picture stuff!  I think I may have the hang of it!


{{{hugs}}}  Casa cutie pie!  Yeah...  Pictures are fun....  


 :oops: videos are better..


real life just might kill me... but, I'd die happy...   :wink:


Like those Prince videos! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:43:17 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Ok, I am off reading this piece that BFN put together. Excellent work!!


Yeah, I've been reading through it myself actually.  Got about half more to go.  There's a few things I didn't know in there (like Boeti was the one who they used to "pin" the initial suspicion on the 2 guards, for example).  I'm looking forward to reading the rest after leaving all you fine people...;)

Very good stuff indeed!  They should be proud...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:46:45 AM
Hey Katz!  Just sent you an email reply...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 01:47:02 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "anidac"
Prince was from my era and I like some of his early classics from back in the day but he later stuff after he changed his name to a symbol wasn't very appealing to me.


Yeah, I've heard that argued a lot actually anidac!  I too have been a fan since the early days (probably dating me a bit, but I was a young buck when I first started listening to him).  But, you just have to listen w/an open mind (to the new stuff), and you'll begin to feel what you felt with the so-called "classics".  All the elements are there.  Even hisn newest disc "3121" has an old time Prince feel...


Actually :3121: is much better than the short period that I didn't care for much but then again, I had four young children then and some what stressed with my husband in Germany and no family around to help.  I leaned toward calming sounds during that time.  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:48:57 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "anidac"
Prince was from my era and I like some of his early classics from back in the day but he later stuff after he changed his name to a symbol wasn't very appealing to me.


Yeah, I've heard that argued a lot actually anidac!  I too have been a fan since the early days (probably dating me a bit, but I was a young buck when I first started listening to him).  But, you just have to listen w/an open mind (to the new stuff), and you'll begin to feel what you felt with the so-called "classics".  All the elements are there.  Even hisn newest disc "3121" has an old time Prince feel...


Actually :3121: is much better than the short period that I didn't care for much but then again, I had four young children then and some what stressed with my husband in Germany and no family around to help.  I leaned toward calming sounds during that time.  LOL


Well, give them another listen.  I guarantee you they'll have a more positive impact on your senses this time around...;)  I'd especially recommend "The Gold Experience".  Wait...that CD is actually out of print these days.  I can hook you up if you wanted a copy...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:52:40 AM
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:56:16 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Ok, I am off reading this piece that BFN put together. Excellent work!!


Yeah, I've been reading through it myself actually.  Got about half more to go.  There's a few things I didn't know in there (like Boeti was the one who they used to "pin" the initial suspicion on the 2 guards, for example).  I'm looking forward to reading the rest after leaving all you fine people...;)

Very good stuff indeed!  They should be proud...


And I hope that it will be helpful to the people working on helping Natalee's family...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 01:56:47 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


Heh, heh, guess everyone is zoning out on their Prince CD's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:57:16 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Ok, I am off reading this piece that BFN put together. Excellent work!!


Yeah, I've been reading through it myself actually.  Got about half more to go.  There's a few things I didn't know in there (like Boeti was the one who they used to "pin" the initial suspicion on the 2 guards, for example).  I'm looking forward to reading the rest after leaving all you fine people...;)

Very good stuff indeed!  They should be proud...


And I hope that it will be helpful to the people working on helping Natalee's family...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Amen!  At the very least, it should open some sleepy eyes...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 01:57:57 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


Heh, heh, guess everyone is zoning out on their Prince CD's.


I know, huh?  Guess I shouldn't complain too much...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:59:15 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "casa"
I'm here, Katz.  I'm playing with the picture stuff!  I think I may have the hang of it!


{{{hugs}}}  Casa cutie pie!  Yeah...  Pictures are fun....  


 :oops: videos are better..


real life just might kill me... but, I'd die happy...   :wink:


Like those Prince videos! :wink:


 :D yeah!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 02:03:07 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL - remember it's not about any of us, it's about Natalee.  Have a good evening, see you all tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:03:12 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


 :wink:

Come on now...  you know that's not enough to scare us away....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 02:06:42 AM
So I guess Inside Edition was nothing huh???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 02:06:56 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


 :wink:

Come on now...  you know that's not enough to scare us away....


Hope not!  If my funk is emitting from your computer screens, we may have a problem Katz!!  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 02:11:21 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


 :wink:

Come on now...  you know that's not enough to scare us away....


Hope not!  If my funk is emitting from your computer screens, we may have a problem Katz!!  ;)


Yeah, I never have to worry about that, I shower once a month whether I need it or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 02:11:37 AM
Headed out the door
Started a new thread in the lounge
"Rumor of a Monkey Birthday
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=24097#24097

Just in case the rumor is true :wink:

G'nite All

SeeYaByeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 02:11:51 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


I am still here.  Actually, I think that CD is in our libray somewhere.  I use to know another musician that work not with Prince but around him.  We use to discuss the music theory and techniques Prince uses and how he is considered a qenius in the music cirles even by those that hate his music.  In those circles they say his is just many years too early for society to accept in masses.  I am not going to tell you what else is in my collection.  Let's just say I have LPs and 45s.  I have "The Monkeys", "Rubber Sole", "Beatles", "Cream", "Paul Rever & the Raiders", Herman's Hermits", and the list goes on...  Now my CD collection is too large to remember and covers everything from classical to new age....jazz, you name it.  I grew up as a musician and studied classical and improve jazz.  My uncle played with Ray Charles.  My first paying job started in Junior Hight teaching music.  So...  Now you know a little more about me. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 27, 2006, 02:12:03 AM
Good Night Monkeys, and Good Morning to the morning crew.

Prayers for Nonesuche.

Prayers for resolution for Natalee's family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 02:21:00 AM
Good night folks.  I have to get up in 2.5 hours.  Overstayed tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:21:40 AM
OK Strike ~ you have mail...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:23:58 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


 :wink:

Come on now...  you know that's not enough to scare us away....


Hope not!  If my funk is emitting from your computer screens, we may have a problem Katz!!  ;)


 :lol:  :lol:   Reminds me of my brother-in-law when he's working in the yard and I go to kiss him hello or good-bye...

Yet ~ none of them had a problem hugging me when I was belly dancing...  well...  my dad was a little embarrassed....   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:25:24 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Where'd everybody go?  Ok...maybe I'm a little funky, but not that much!  I'll shower in a few.  No need for everyone to run off...;)


 :wink:

Come on now...  you know that's not enough to scare us away....


Hope not!  If my funk is emitting from your computer screens, we may have a problem Katz!!  ;)


Yeah, I never have to worry about that, I shower once a month whether I need it or not.


 :lol: But the real question is:

Do you like Prince?

I wanted to answer that to one of your previous posts...  it took a little while, plus another opportunity to present itself, before I could work up the courage to ask that...   :lol:  :oops:  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 02:27:30 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
OK Strike ~ you have mail...


Got it Katz!!  And, I have to tell you...very impressive!!  You should be proud of that artwork.  far better then I could have done.  Bravo!!  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 02:27:50 AM
Sue, your avatar is adorable!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 02:31:26 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Carnut"

Yeah, I never have to worry about that, I shower once a month whether I need it or not.


 :lol: But the real question is:

Do you like Prince?

I wanted to answer that to one of your previous posts...  it took a little while, plus another opportunity to present itself, before I could work up the courage to ask that...   :lol:  :oops:  :D


Well, afraid he ain't on my top 10 list.

I kinda go back to Ricky, Roy (the Big O) and Elvis.

Kinda on the same subject I've seen Johnny Depp on Leno a couple of times and always thought he was an extreme jerk. Just can't understand what the ladies like about him.

Then I saw Pirates and wow, what a great job of acting. Don't think anyone could have done anywhere  near as good a job. That's one thing I really liked.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 02:36:30 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"


Kinda on the same subject I've seen Johnny Depp on Leno a couple of times and always thought he was an extreme jerk. Just can't understand what the ladies like about him.

Then I saw Pirates and wow, what a great job of acting. Don't think anyone could have done anywhere  near as good a job. That's one thing I really liked.


Funny you should say that carnut!  I've never been a Johnny Depp fan...going back to the "21 Jump Street" days.  Don't necessarily agree with his political views.  But damn..can that dude act!  I too thought he did a STELLAR job in "Pirates"!  I thought he was very good in "Willy Wonka" too...

Still don't like HIM though...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:41:29 AM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Good Night Monkeys, and Good Morning to the morning crew.

Prayers for Nonesuche.

Prayers for resolution for Natalee's family.


Good night Sleuth  {{{hugs}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:42:29 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
OK Strike ~ you have mail...


Got it Katz!!  And, I have to tell you...very impressive!!  You should be proud of that artwork.  far better then I could have done.  Bravo!!  ;)


 :oops: I'm so embarrassed, Strike...  they're so....  raw....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 02:45:22 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
OK Strike ~ you have mail...


Got it Katz!!  And, I have to tell you...very impressive!!  You should be proud of that artwork.  far better then I could have done.  Bravo!!  ;)


 :oops: I'm so embarrassed, Strike...  they're so....  raw....


No, they're VERY good!  Again, I was impressed!    I think I'll use them myself...;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:47:40 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "Carnut"


Kinda on the same subject I've seen Johnny Depp on Leno a couple of times and always thought he was an extreme jerk. Just can't understand what the ladies like about him.

Then I saw Pirates and wow, what a great job of acting. Don't think anyone could have done anywhere  near as good a job. That's one thing I really liked.


Funny you should say that carnut!  I've never been a Johnny Depp fan...going back to the "21 Jump Street" days.  Don't necessarily agree with his political views.  But damn..can that dude act!  I too thought he did a STELLAR job in "Pirates"!  I thought he was very good in "Willy Wonka" too...

Still don't like HIM though...


I didn't like Willy Wonka ~ but in Pirates he's great....  but I still don't like him either....

And Elvis was fabulous...  Carnut ~ I have one for you....  one more that someone else did that I found on the web....  it's great....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:51:29 AM
I used different blendings to get the look I wanted...  found this picture in black and white on the web...

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PrinceElvis.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 02:52:29 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "Carnut"


Kinda on the same subject I've seen Johnny Depp on Leno a couple of times and always thought he was an extreme jerk. Just can't understand what the ladies like about him.

Then I saw Pirates and wow, what a great job of acting. Don't think anyone could have done anywhere  near as good a job. That's one thing I really liked.


Funny you should say that carnut!  I've never been a Johnny Depp fan...going back to the "21 Jump Street" days.  Don't necessarily agree with his political views.  But damn..can that dude act!  I too thought he did a STELLAR job in "Pirates"!  I thought he was very good in "Willy Wonka" too...

Still don't like HIM though...


I didn't like Willy Wonka ~ but in Pirates he's great....  but I still don't like him either....

And Elvis was fabulous...  Carnut ~ I have one for you....  one more that someone else did that I found on the web....  it's great....


Ah, ok, one for me what? Have I missed something?

Yeah, think I'll always be a fan of ole Cap'n Jack Sparrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 02:53:08 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
Sue, your avatar is adorable!!!


thank you, alittle large but i got it posted


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 02:53:15 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
I used different blendings to get the look I wanted...  found this picture in black and white on the web...

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/PrinceElvis.jpg)


Oh, Ok, kinda combining both eh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:58:05 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"


Ah, ok, one for me what? Have I missed something?

Yeah, think I'll always be a fan of ole Cap'n Jack Sparrow.


Look up, Carnut....   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:59:36 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Oh, Ok, kinda combining both eh.


I just "purpled" it, Carnut...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Carnut on July 27, 2006, 03:04:41 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Oh, Ok, kinda combining both eh.


I just "purpled" it, Carnut...


Yep, catering to all the 'fans'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 03:12:00 AM
Ok, I'm heading off to bed now!  Goodnight Katz...Carnut...Spook...everyone!!  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 03:20:06 AM
night Thirdsy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 03:22:58 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
night Thirdsy


Night Spook!!  Hey, you have to write me some time...aaiigghhtt??  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 03:27:12 AM
Just sending in my favorite little bad boy, Binky, in to say,

We're thinking of you, loving you, and praying for you each day!

Love,

Susan/KatzHome
Bink, Sam, Charlie, Friska, and Little Girlsie  

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/MarysKid/BirthdayBink-forNone.jpg)



(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 03:27:51 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Ok, I'm heading off to bed now!  Goodnight Katz...Carnut...Spook...everyone!!  ;)


Good night, Strike {{{hugs}}}  and sweet dreams!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 03:27:55 AM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
night Thirdsy


Night Spook!!  Hey, you have to write me some time...aaiigghhtt??  ;)


you got it babe :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 03:29:17 AM
I'm going to bed now too ~ Good night everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 27, 2006, 03:32:57 AM
Nonesuche....
she is the most beautiful daisey of them all
I hang on her every word
she is my voice of reason and sanity
she humbles me
she is my best Roll Tide Sistah
she has always been there for me whenever I needed her
she gives great advice
she is fun to BUI with
and her heart is so big
I want to be her when I grow up
Nonesuche, we love you
Happy Birthday Sweetheart


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wolfeladyinbama on July 27, 2006, 05:23:39 AM
Spooky.......that was the most wonderful birthday wish for None....how very sweet........BTW......Hi monkeys....been lurking and reading some, but lots going on around here. Still so good to see everyone is keeping the faith to bring Natalee home. I will try to stop in as much as possible.
NONE>>>>>>>You and hubby are in my prayers, as are all monkeys and their individual "needs".........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 05:58:29 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 06:28:52 AM
Popping in for a sec beofre I need to get ready for work.

NONE~~ Have a Blessed Birthday Sweety.
Thinking of you !!



(Hi monkey folks).. catch up later this evening.
Have a great day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 07:17:55 AM
Good morning.  Reading to catch up..... as usual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 07:24:56 AM
Morning Monkeys

Just making sure I say Happy Birthday to our special birthday girl!

NONE - Happy 29th!!!  I'm right behind you.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on July 27, 2006, 07:45:10 AM
Morning All ...............

The Weather is Clear & The Track is Good ........

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE .....................

Jacquie Our Mets Are Still Looking Good ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 07:50:12 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Morning All ...............

The Weather is Clear & The Track is Good ........

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE .....................

Jacquie Our Mets Are Still Looking Good ..............

 8)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 07:53:52 AM
Happy Birthday To My Nonesuche Sistah!
(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/22.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:00:26 AM
http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=XK46460508


Happy Happy NONE..........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 08:09:54 AM
Great.  I have a second to fiddle with my avatar and Photobucket seems to be down.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:17:06 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Great.  I have a second to fiddle with my avatar and Photobucket seems to be down.


I couldn't get mine to post either....

How are you Miss Peaches??? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Great.  I have a second to fiddle with my avatar and Photobucket seems to be down.


I couldn't get mine to post either....

How are you Miss Peaches??? :lol:


I'm good.  Just chillin' at my desk.  I have a light workload this week with two guys out and two in the office.  It's mayhem when they're all here because in typical male fashion, they all think their stuff is the most important.  Yeah, right.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mere on July 27, 2006, 08:26:05 AM
Good morning friends and Happy Birthday None..... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 08:29:41 AM
Some people like Mondays, some people like Tuesdays, some people like Wednesdays but I like Thursdays because its NoneSuche Birthday..  Where is the icecream cake???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 08:34:49 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Some people like Mondays, some people like Tuesdays, some people like Wednesdays but I like Thursdays because its NoneSuche Birthday..  Where is the icecream cake???


Terry,

I love that avatar. It's so you!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mere on July 27, 2006, 08:34:52 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Great.  I have a second to fiddle with my avatar and Photobucket seems to be down.


I couldn't get mine to post either....

How are you Miss Peaches??? :lol:


Jacque....I can't get my avatar to post in the right space....big error messages come up.....maybe coffee would help....

Hi Peaches and terryand BT..... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Great.  I have a second to fiddle with my avatar and Photobucket seems to be down.


I couldn't get mine to post either....

How are you Miss Peaches??? :lol:


Jacque....I can't get my avatar to post in the right space....big error messages come up.....maybe coffee would help....

Hi Peaches and terryand BT..... :)


Hey MeMere,

I'm sneaking around at work and need to get myself busy. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Easywriter on July 27, 2006, 08:35:47 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 08:37:20 AM
I guess I need some coffee, I hope there will be icecream at nonesuche party when I get back..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 08:41:20 AM
I hope all these birthday wishes for None will end up in one place so she can find them easily.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 27, 2006, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Morning Easy! Great to see you.


Got to run for awhile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 08:54:05 AM
Today is your BIrthday........

We're gonna have a good time!

They say it's your birthday!

Hope you get a big beautiful birthday Miracle!

Happy Birthday None!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 08:55:50 AM
Morning all monkeys!

So good to see you!

You are all so stunning this morning!

I am in a good mood because my skinny pants fit! :roll:

Ans it don't happen often! :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 08:59:39 AM
Just stopped by to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY Nonesuche!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Some people like Mondays, some people like Tuesdays, some people like Wednesdays but I like Thursdays because its NoneSuche Birthday..  Where is the icecream cake???


Terry,

Good to see you back... you are a ray of sunshine.  Yummm love icecream cake... handing you a piece... it's chocolate, strawberry and vanilla - Neopolitan...  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 09:05:20 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
I hope all these birthday wishes for None will end up in one place so she can find them easily.


OFart created a thread in the Lounge...  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 27, 2006, 09:05:52 AM
Good Morning Monkey Friends!!!

A special HAPPY BIRTHDAY to NONESUCHE!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Leslie on July 27, 2006, 09:08:59 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/

Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/July/

Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/

Solo di Pueblo They finally updated!
http://www.solodipueblo.com/

Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

 :D Happy Birthday None :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 09:09:50 AM
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 09:12:27 AM
Terry - I already named my kittens but will use your names as reserve as I like to call them different things on different days when we play different games!

Heard it is gonna rain this weekend! :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thecuz on July 27, 2006, 09:18:51 AM
ya'll aave me a piece of birtday cake...i have to go to work...but just wanted to pop in and add my....
HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONESUCH!
thanks for being a wonderful inspiration and friend to me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thecuz on July 27, 2006, 09:20:02 AM
dang...i wish we had an edit button...i messed up none's bd wish....lol!!!
angie...it is all your fault....you are rubbing off on me!!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 27, 2006, 09:20:38 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Terry - I already named my kittens but will use your names as reserve as I like to call them different things on different days when we play different games!

Heard it is gonna rain this weekend! :(


I heard that this morning, too.

At least my new roof and skylight courtesy of Wilma were finally finsihed 3 weeks ago. At least I won't leak :D  

Now, if only my neighbors believed in trimming their trees, I could stop worrying about another one coming in through my ceiling


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 09:23:41 AM
If anyone wants None's birthday flower to go in their sig line, e-mail me and I will send it to you.

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Terry - I already named my kittens but will use your names as reserve as I like to call them different things on different days when we play different games!

Heard it is gonna rain this weekend! :(


I heard that this morning, too.

At least my new roof and skylight courtesy of Wilma were finally finsihed 3 weeks ago. At least I won't leak :D  

Now, if only my neighbors believed in trimming their trees, I could stop worrying about another one coming in through my ceiling


Eeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

As I look around it seems like everybody got done with the repairs just in time for the hurricane season.

You will be OK Sharon! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 09:24:23 AM
FlyingMermaid,

You mean a lot of rain or just our afternoon showers?  I want to go fishing and I didn't know about the rain.. I guess maybe we could go out sword fishing on Friday night if it doesn't rain..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 09:26:54 AM
I was outside yesterday with the chainsaw cutting all the tree's and I have a lot of tree's..  Now all my tree's look like toothpicks but they won't blow down if we get a hurricane.. I need to pickup some of the cuttings and pull them out to the pickup area and thats going to take up a lot of my time and in this heat, its brutal..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 09:28:28 AM
BTGirl, you have an extra > in your image.. Somehow you must have a > in your signature.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 09:30:00 AM
I'm outta here, I need to pickup cuttings and be ready for a person wanting to see my house at 11:30AM..  Byee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Pretty good, thanks.

Actually managed scrambie eggs last night!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
BTGirl, you have an extra > in your image.. Somehow you must have a > in your signature.


Fixed now.

Thanks for letting me know. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Pretty good, thanks.

Actually managed scrambie eggs last night!


I am making swordfish tonight it's very easy to chew.  Should I marinade you a piece?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2006, 09:38:36 AM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/AZsunshine/ballons.gif)(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/AZsunshine/bd9.gif) NONESUCHE!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2006, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Pretty good, thanks.

Actually managed scrambie eggs last night!


Hi Jacqueline,  Are you ill?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 09:41:22 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Daisy7copy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 09:49:28 AM
Gosh everyone, mr none and little none and myself are all sitting here staring in disbelief over all of this for my birthday???

You make me cry folks, I'm not pretty when I cry  :lol:

From our family to each of you

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/hugs_n_kisses_hg_wht.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:52:49 AM
Hey y'all...


and HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Gosh everyone, mr none and little none and myself are all sitting here staring in disbelief over all of this for my birthday???

You make me cry folks, I'm not pretty when I cry  :lol:

From our family to each of you

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/hugs_n_kisses_hg_wht.gif)


Hope they are Happy tears!!!
Sure you still look beautiful!!
Have a GLORIOUS DAY!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 09:53:45 AM
Happy Birthday, None!  

Did you stay up too late last nite?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Hey y'all...


and HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE!!


Hugs to you Mrs Red, I've missed you all on the lively! Everyone is soooo kind and caring, son just called and wanted to know why mom sounds like a crybaby, so I told him to check the monkey board ! Even he neanderthal that he is, said that was sooo sweet of the monkeys to do for me today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Happy Birthday, None!  

Did you stay up too late last nite?


I did Peaches, I had to help daughter with a paper for her final on ethics and technology  :shock:  :lol:

Mr None is sending this to terry, wants me to post it to make terry's day  :wink:

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/surprise_cake_hg_clr.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 09:58:23 AM
Quote
Hugs to you Mrs Red, I've missed you all on the lively! Everyone is soooo kind and caring, son just called and wanted to know why mom sounds like a crybaby, so I told him to check the monkey board ! Even he neanderthal that he is, said that was sooo sweet of the monkeys to do for me today.


You are truely loved and admired here!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 09:58:54 AM
None -

You are a big girl now.  Wipe those dang tears off and put on a big smile.  It's your birthday.  Thanks, that is better. :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 09:59:45 AM
ldstlou-

thank you but please know I am so ordinary, and I'm older to boot!! I really am just blown away by all of this, I have to thank all of you for such a special day, truly special!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
None -

You are a big girl now.  Wipe those dang tears off and put on a big smile.  It's your birthday.  Thanks, that is better. :P


Are you coming to visit today? I have wine and song  :wink:  wish you were here beanie  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 10:02:33 AM
None I am sure there are alot of ways to describe you but old and ordinary?

Not unless you look like Andy Rooney from 60 minutes. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:02:34 AM
Well None...just popped in for minute to wish you a happy Birthday...so glad you were here!! Gotta run to work...do something special for yourself today!!! Message always works wonders for me!!! Easy for women to forget to take care of ourselves!!! THIS IS YOUR DAY....ENJOY!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on July 27, 2006, 10:03:23 AM
None  you are truly a nice  person and we don't mind doing things for NICE folks . :+) Jerry


Quote from: "nonesuche"
Gosh everyone, mr none and little none and myself are all sitting here staring in disbelief over all of this for my birthday???

You make me cry folks, I'm not pretty when I cry  :lol:

From our family to each of you

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/hugs_n_kisses_hg_wht.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Frijole"
None -

You are a big girl now.  Wipe those dang tears off and put on a big smile.  It's your birthday.  Thanks, that is better. :P


Are you coming to visit today? I have wine and song  :wink:  wish you were here beanie  :D


Ummm mimosas?!  Sounds great.  I'm there in spirit.  Plus that way you get more of that ice cream cake!  Ha.  Hugs to you and your family.  Glad your son got to see all your daisies too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
ldstlou-

thank you but please know I am so ordinary, and I'm older to boot!! I really am just blown away by all of this, I have to thank all of you for such a special day, truly special!


Have never seen you...but I KNOW there is NOTHING ORDINARY about you!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:10:22 AM
Hey Klaas...been working my fannie off lately...but wanted to say hi and miss ya and I'll be back soon...ALMOST!! done with the rehab!! Heading over there now!! Have a great day!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
None I am sure there are alot of ways to describe you but old and ordinary?

Not unless you look like Andy Rooney from 60 minutes. :lol:


I have the opposite issue from Andy, my eyebrows are too sparse  :lol:  :lol:

Thank you Jerry, you are ALL so kind !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:11:40 AM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/mishyp/Good20Morning20Smiley.gif)Just wanted to stick my head in and wish you all a good day. I am really stretched thin right now, but wanted to give my monkeys a shout!!!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/mishyp/happybirthday.gif) NONESUCHE!!!!!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/mishyp/kisses.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 10:12:27 AM
Popping in to wish NONE a birthday filled with miracles and daisies.


(http://bestsmileys.com/flowers/14.gif)



Good Morning to all the Monks as well.  I hope everyone has a wonderful day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
None I am sure there are alot of ways to describe you but old and ordinary?

Not unless you look like Andy Rooney from 60 minutes. :lol:


I have the opposite issue from Andy, my eyebrows are too sparse  :lol:  :lol:

Thank you Jerry, you are ALL so kind !


If somebody loved and cared for that man they would trim them for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Pretty good, thanks.

Actually managed scrambie eggs last night!


I am making swordfish tonight it's very easy to chew.  Should I marinade you a piece?


Oh yum...Yes!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:13:50 AM
My family really thanks all of you, please know this, little none and mr none are both smiling. They think it's funny when I get all misty  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:13:58 AM
Quote
I have the opposite issue from Andy, my eyebrows are too sparse  


OOOO None...me too!!! Sisiters have thick beautiful ones...mine are punie...but nothing a good eyebrow pencil can't fix!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie - How are you feeling?


Pretty good, thanks.

Actually managed scrambie eggs last night!


Hi Jacqueline,  Are you ill?


Oh no AZ I'm fine. Thanks....Just Part II of my root canal done yesterday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
Quote from: "wolfeladyinbama"
Spooky.......that was the most wonderful birthday wish for None....how very sweet........BTW......Hi monkeys....been lurking and reading some, but lots going on around here. Still so good to see everyone is keeping the faith to bring Natalee home. I will try to stop in as much as possible.
NONE>>>>>>>You and hubby are in my prayers, as are all monkeys and their individual "needs".........


Hi Wolfe Lady!  It truly is very, very good to see you!

And good morning Monkeys...

Today's the last day of my vacation and None's birthday ~ I'll be going to Mass this morning thinking of Natalee and her family, and all those who are helping them...  I'll remember everyone here on this board and on BFN too ~ and most especially ~I'll be remembering None and her dear husband.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:15:07 AM
:lol:  :lol:
Quote
If somebody loved and cared for that man they would trim them for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:15:45 AM
Sunny & Mishy-

Golly, I am not this special folks  :oops: but you are all too sweet it just is overwhelming.

Somebody tell a Paulus jokey please, I have to not cry on my birthday  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
My family really thanks all of you, please know this, little none and mr none are both smiling. They think it's funny when I get all misty  :lol:


Look at me....I'm as helpless as a kitten ...up a tree...

I get misty......

HEY none....

My dang flowers won't show up in my siggy line....

But you know I'm wishing you the best!

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:19:04 AM
Jacq, Katz, AZ, thank you all so much. Spooky's poem is sooo sweet, and somehow I always think Katz's prayers might carry a little more weight than mine so thank you, and Jacq indeed I thought of that misty song too so now I'll have that ear worm  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:19:10 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Sunny & Mishy-

Golly, I am not this special folks  :oops: but you are all too sweet it just is overwhelming.

Somebody tell a Paulus jokey please, I have to not cry on my birthday  :lol:


Ok that's it...now you are making ME cry and I'm not pretty when I cry either!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:19:41 AM
Oopsie, Klaas...  I forgot to put this at the end of my post!!!!!!   :oops: And hey ~ thanks for going with the lightening-up of the board last night ~ we truly have needed it...  {{{hugs}}}

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: cp405 on July 27, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
Happy Birthday none, hope you have a great day!

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d104/cp405/birthd_001sm2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
My family really thanks all of you, please know this, little none and mr none are both smiling. They think it's funny when I get all misty  :lol:


Look at me....I'm as helpless as a kitten ...up a tree...

I get misty......

HEY none....

My dang flowers won't show up in my siggy line....

But you know I'm wishing you the best!

 :lol:


Jaquelina, I wonder if you went back into your profile and put [IMG] before and after your daisy? It should show up then :lol:

Take care of yourself...a root canal sounds NO FUN : :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:21:06 AM
cp405 - thank you too !!!!!!

ldstlou you can come sit with me, we'll cry over our sparse eyebrows and be jealous that FM can fit into her skinny pants today  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
My family really thanks all of you, please know this, little none and mr none are both smiling. They think it's funny when I get all misty  :lol:


Look at me....I'm as helpless as a kitten ...up a tree...

I get misty......

HEY none....

My dang flowers won't show up in my siggy line....

But you know I'm wishing you the best!

 :lol:


Jaquelina, I wonder if you went back into your profile and put [IMG] before and after your daisy? It should show up then :lol:

Take care of yourself...a root canal sounds NO FUN : :cry:


I'll try that....thx....

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 10:21:54 AM
O/T REPORT: TOUR DE FRANCE WINNER FLOYD LANDIS HAD POSITIVE DOPING TEST, TEAM SAYS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:22:17 AM
Nonesey, I can't think of a Paulus joke, but I tell you what always makes me smile, is when I Igsigs has his Paulus avatar with the black bar over his eyes...I don't know why, but it always has me ROFLMAO!!!

I gotta get off this forum now, work is SCREAMING  :?

Love you all!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Morning all monkeys!

So good to see you!

You are all so stunning this morning!

I am in a good mood because my skinny pants fit! :roll:

Ans it don't happen often! :P


I'm not down to my skinny pants yet ~ but I am halfway there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: "San"
O/T REPORT: TOUR DE FRANCE WINNER FLOYD LANDIS HAD POSITIVE DOPING TEST, TEAM SAYS


Bummer, nothing is sacred anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
cp405 - thank you too !!!!!!

ldstlou you can come sit with me, we'll cry over our sparse eyebrows and be jealous that FM can fit into her skinny pants today  :lol:


now I am really crying!! did you have to mention skinny pants!!

Have a slogan at my office says "You know it's a bad day when your FAT pants don't fit!!" haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 10:23:28 AM
None

There's a lot of love here for you and your family.  Love is very powerful.

On a lighter note, for your birthday (monkey wise):

 http://tinyurl.com/rlhg4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Morning all monkeys!

So good to see you!

You are all so stunning this morning!

I am in a good mood because my skinny pants fit! :roll:

Ans it don't happen often! :P


I hit the wrong button ~ I meant to hit the return key and say Congratulations, Mermaid! and

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:24:30 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Morning all monkeys!

So good to see you!

You are all so stunning this morning!

I am in a good mood because my skinny pants fit! :roll:

Ans it don't happen often! :P


I'm not down to my skinny pants yet ~ but I am halfway there!


me too!! I've lost 19lbs 20 to go!! Then I get to pull out the skinny pants again!! Think I'm down to 2 chins!! haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:26:32 AM
San-

Uh oh, we fall further from grace with those frenchies?  :shock:

Mishy-

too cute for I like igsig's avatar too

Hugs and love to each of you, thank you ever so much for today and all your ongoing support and care!!!!!!!!

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/lips_kiss_pink_hg_clr.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:27:52 AM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Just stopped by to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY Nonesuche!!!


Hi ldstlou!  I hope you stop in a whole lot more often ~ and say a whole lot more than just Happy Birthday to None!  {{{hugs}}}

I've missed you...  And I'm sure Strike ~ and many others ~ has missed your hanging out and posting...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Just stopped by to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY Nonesuche!!!


Hi ldstlou!  I hope you stop in a whole lot more often ~ and say a whole lot more than just Happy Birthday to None!  {{{hugs}}}

I've missed you...  And I'm sure Strike ~ and many others ~ has missed your hanging out and posting...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


THANK YOU!!! Missed you all too!! Just a little more on the rehab house and I will be FREE!! again!! and back here with the wonderful Monkeys!! I really miss you!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
None

There's a lot of love here for you and your family.  Love is very powerful.

On a lighter note, for your birthday (monkey wise):

 http://tinyurl.com/rlhg4


buckeye-

Yes it is very powerful, it means the world to us.

Mr None just hid his head beneath the sheet laughing and shaking his head at the monkey with way too much happy song in his heart  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:30:46 AM
FYI monkeys:

I gave my skinny pants away  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

and that's all I'm going to say about that  :wink:

Bye for real, this time!!

Smoochies everybody  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:31:16 AM
Quote from: "thecuz"
dang...i wish we had an edit button...i messed up none's bd wish....lol!!!
angie...it is all your fault....you are rubbing off on me!!!! :D


Hi Cuz ~ yeah, me too!  And it's And the Birthday Daisy doesn't fit in my signature block ~ and I don't think None would want me to take Natalee out of there...  so I've been trying to remember to put it at the bottom of all my posts...

And I've only remembered about half the time...   :oops:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)

And it's great to see you ~ and Terry ~ and Easy ~ and so many Monkeys who we haven't seen in such a long while ~ posting again...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
None

There's a lot of love here for you and your family.  Love is very powerful.

On a lighter note, for your birthday (monkey wise):

 http://tinyurl.com/rlhg4


buckeye-

Yes it is very powerful, it means the world to us.

Mr None just hid his head beneath the sheet laughing and shaking his head at the monkey with way too much happy song in his heart  :lol:


Ok guys...leaving you all with a hreat filled with love...you all are contagious!! My ugly cry face!! 2 chins but a big smile on my face.
Have a great day all!! You are truely the best!!
And None!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY AGAIN!! May it be filled with joy and laughter...and LOTS of presents!! haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Gosh everyone, mr none and little none and myself are all sitting here staring in disbelief over all of this for my birthday???

You make me cry folks, I'm not pretty when I cry  :lol:

From our family to each of you

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/nonesuche/hugs_n_kisses_hg_wht.gif)


Awwww  None {{{hugs}}}  Happy Birthday, sweetie!  And if that was you behind those Daisey Sunglasses....  You're beautiful enough to look pretty any time!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
FYI monkeys:

I gave my skinny pants away  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

and that's all I'm going to say about that  :wink:

Bye for real, this time!!

Smoochies everybody  :lol:  8)


 :wink:  :wink: What are skinny pants???   :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 10:35:50 AM
Katz-

Please don't touch your sig line, it's our inspiration.

Jacq-

I do hope your root canal heals soon, those do hurt so I'm sorry.

thecuz, terry, BTGirl, even Easy <come back please> with all these wonderful birthday wishes - Spooky and her poem - if I have missed anyone please know I will make a copy of all of this to save.

We are blessed to have all of you in our lives and supporting us. Time for me to run to the pharmacy before little none leaves for class, but I can't thank each of you enough!!

I hope you all have a great day and always wonderful birthdays as you have tried to make mine to be.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:36:02 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/specials/tour_de_france/2006/07/27/landis.doping/index.html

What a shame. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:37:55 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Jacq, Katz, AZ, thank you all so much. Spooky's poem is sooo sweet, and somehow I always think Katz's prayers might carry a little more weight than mine so thank you, and Jacq indeed I thought of that misty song too so now I'll have that ear worm  :lol:


Nawwww  they don't, None!  {{{hugs}}}

Okies ~ I have to brush my teeth fast, jump into jeans and a tee shirt, and head on out the door....  I'll be back soon...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/specials/tour_de_france/2006/07/27/landis.doping/index.html

What a shame. :?


Now THAT is really being stuck on stupid... If this is true - how the hxxx did he think he wouldn't get caught?  And these guys are supposed to be role models to our youth.  I am disappointed.  Thanks for the link.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 10:38:57 AM
I was watching Monster House and it had a part in it that these two kids were watching the house from their bedroom and they had used a Mountain Dew bottle to pee in..  I remember having to do that on summer trips with my parents.. I usualy can hold it like a camel and was sort of proud of myself that I could keep it so long... No, -- I did not spill a drop because this was somthing you learned to do as a kid if your parents refuse to pull the car over on the side of the road. I know no one here had ever had to do this but when I was young every ride was long road trip..Well it was funny to me, hope I didn't offend anyone..  I'm going for my bike ride now, after cleaning up the yard and have to be back be for 11:30 for an appointment..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
cp405 - thank you too !!!!!!

ldstlou you can come sit with me, we'll cry over our sparse eyebrows and be jealous that FM can fit into her skinny pants today  :lol:


now I am really crying!! did you have to mention skinny pants!!

Have a slogan at my office says "You know it's a bad day when your FAT pants don't fit!!" haha


Oh geez Lou...  I went through that for real last Christmas...  I finally joined WeightWatchers through the Amazon link here on SM Board...  I've lost 35 pounds ~ 35 more to go ~ and I'll be back in my skinny pants!  woohoo!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Morning all monkeys!

So good to see you!

You are all so stunning this morning!

I am in a good mood because my skinny pants fit! :roll:

Ans it don't happen often! :P


I'm not down to my skinny pants yet ~ but I am halfway there!


me too!! I've lost 19lbs 20 to go!! Then I get to pull out the skinny pants again!! Think I'm down to 2 chins!! haha



ooooo  Congratulations!!!!!!!  And see!  

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Just stopped by to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY Nonesuche!!!


Hi ldstlou!  I hope you stop in a whole lot more often ~ and say a whole lot more than just Happy Birthday to None!  {{{hugs}}}

I've missed you...  And I'm sure Strike ~ and many others ~ has missed your hanging out and posting...

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THANK YOU!!! Missed you all too!! Just a little more on the rehab house and I will be FREE!! again!! and back here with the wonderful Monkeys!! I really miss you!!


Okies ~ as I'm getting caught up ~ I saw why you haven't been here much...  Okies...  we'll be seeing more of you soon!

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I really got to run now!  Bye!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 10:44:40 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Katz-

Please don't touch your sig line, it's our inspiration.

Jacq-

I do hope your root canal heals soon, those do hurt so I'm sorry.

thecuz, terry, BTGirl, even Easy <come back please> with all these wonderful birthday wishes - Spooky and her poem - if I have missed anyone please know I will make a copy of all of this to save.

We are blessed to have all of you in our lives and supporting us. Time for me to run to the pharmacy before little none leaves for class, but I can't thank each of you enough!!

I hope you all have a great day and always wonderful birthdays as you have tried to make mine to be.


I knew you wouldn't want me to, None ~ so I've been trying to remember!   :lol:

Okies ~ I'm out the door ~ and I'll be rememering the None family in my prayers in a very special way at Mass today ~ Love you!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 10:45:59 AM
Happy, Happy Birthday None!  We all LOVE YOU!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 10:53:08 AM
I gotta go and I hate to hear when someone that you would think is into health shows us that they are taking drugs that give a short time gain and a long term lost of health..  Maybe when I turned 100 I might try some drugs but not until then..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 10:55:51 AM
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Uh, that would be a [/size]NO!!!

Is that just not insane in the membrane???? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


You know sistah I heard that the yesterday and was pretty shocked.

It seems like everyone in this, Andrea, her ex husband have all moved on with their lives...

And those children.

Gone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?

The immediate consequences have little effect -- she will still be locked up in a mental hospital. However, if some moron doctor says she is "okay now" in a few years -- she could walk free!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Uh, that would be a NO!!!

Is that just not insane in the membrane???? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


that's what I meant  :lol:

Am I going to get any work done today????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Jacq, Katz, AZ, thank you all so much. Spooky's poem is sooo sweet, and somehow I always think Katz's prayers might carry a little more weight than mine so thank you, and Jacq indeed I thought of that misty song too so now I'll have that ear worm  :lol:


But None you have potatoes in your ears not worms!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


You know sistah I heard that the yesterday and was pretty shocked.

It seems like everyone in this, Andrea, her ex husband have all moved on with their lives...

And those children.

Gone.


Exactly and like Wreck noted, in a few years, we will hear that she is better and she will be walking around free....

It makes me sick to my stomach...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:04:39 AM
GOODMORNING ALL - HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONESUCHE !

JORAN and his friend Aline, 7/26/06 Lady's Night at Iguana Joes:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranAline072606.gif)

JORAN and KOEN, 7/26/06 Lady's Night at Iguana Joes:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:05:40 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Uh, that would be a NO!!!

Is that just not insane in the membrane???? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


that's what I meant  :lol:

Am I going to get any work done today????


Just like me, it's doubtful.... LOL...

and now that song is stuck in my head!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 11:10:05 AM
Klaas

I noticed the little dutchman to the left in the one pic.

FYI..I think I found an email to one of the publishers of the Joran Book.  I sent an email with link to BFN document to be forwarded to Zvezdana Vukojevic.  I told them if they had questions to post on the FP.  They probably never will, but thought I'd give you a heads up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"

http://tinyurl.com/sy9on

What a shame. :?


Front page Post:

Tour de France winner Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone According to UCI

http://tinyurl.com/nq59m

Here we go again. Talk about calling this one. Last Sunday when Floyd Landis captured the Tour de France we made the following prediction that seems to have been dead on.

It is hard to imagine that with all eyes on the bicycling world and the legitimate doping scandals and accusations that anyone would continue to cheat. It makes these accusations rather hard to accept. Maybe American riders just have more testosterone. ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
LOTS OF LOVE ON YOUR BIRTHDAY!!!
(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/25.gif)

Hugs and winkies for None. :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 27, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


You know sistah I heard that the yesterday and was pretty shocked.

It seems like everyone in this, Andrea, her ex husband have all moved on with their lives...

And those children.

Gone.


Exactly and like Wreck noted, in a few years, we will hear that she is better and she will be walking around free....

It makes me sick to my stomach...

On the Austin news last night, they were saying that Rusk State Hospital is already overcrowded~we might being seeing her out and about sooner than we think~
Off course, I have to say...... Rusty Yates makes me gag to hear/see him speak.....who in their right mind would have his wife and kids live in a bus....and yes, he could afford better and eventually did find a house ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 11:13:28 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Nope.....I had a temper tantrum yesterday (when the verdict came in) on this forum, lol. I forget what page from yesterday, but I freaked, lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 11:15:25 AM
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 11:16:33 AM
Message to Koen!

Better switch to DIET tonic and skip the appetizers buddy.   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Message to Koen!

Better switch to DIET tonic and skip the appetizers buddy.   :lol:  :lol:


OMG, LOL
(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)

OH.....HAPPY B-day Noneeee!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Message to Koen!

Better switch to DIET tonic and skip the appetizers buddy.   :lol:  :lol:


Looks like Koen has a little "road rash" on the left side of his face as well.   :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 11:20:34 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.


FM,

You know I almost take the other tack. Is the testing lab in Paris, France where they are pissed that an American rider has once again won what is considered a European sport beyond questioning?

Look at the Dutch forensic labs where the NH evidence was sent. Otherwise known as the "black hole".

Governing bodies of sports are like the UN, some of the most corrupt entities on the planet. Look at the IOC and bribery scandals to determine Olympic sites, the Ice Skating bribery scandal. Don't even get me started on Boxing.

One begins to wonder if these governing bodies are policing their sports or trying to manipulate them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.


They are waiting for sample B to come back to make sure the first one was not an error.

If it is confirmed that he cheated, his team has already said he will be dropped.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 11:22:08 AM
They are not the guys I would be looking to hook up with - Ugly, Fat and they don't look real bright either!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.

Like Red said -- we expected this. I don't believe ONE word that the French claim. Landis is not THAT stupid -- I call BS!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.


FM,

You know I almost take the other tack. Is the testing lab in Paris, France where they are pissed that an American rider has once again won what is considered a European sport beyond questioning?

Look at the Dutch forensic labs where the NH evidence was sent. Otherwise known as the "black hole".

Governing bodies of sports are like the UN, some of the most corrupt entities on the planet. Look at the IOC and bribery scandals to determine Olympic sites, the Ice Skating bribery scandal. Don't even get me started on Boxing.

One begins to wonder if these governing bodies are policing their sports or trying to manipulate them.


Agreed Red innocent until proven guilty - but if he is I feel for the kids who have nobody to look up to anymore!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"


Looks like Koen has a little "road rash" on the left side of his face as well.   :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)


Good catch Detective Klass... I couldn't see beyond his cheeks.  

How do you skin your face there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 11:26:20 AM
Interesting point about the Labs in Europe... got me thinking...

They can get results faster for a bike race than they can a murder victim... go figure.  Priorities I guess


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 11:27:05 AM
Klaas

Did you get this one??  Think SC has had the munchies too.  Maybe some new kind of "weed"  :wink:

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 11:27:54 AM
OT - Anyone heard anything new about the missing 18 year old, Jennifer Moore, from Harrington Park, NJ...missing in NYC since early hours Tuesday, after drinking w/girlfriend at a club???  I don't have a good feeling about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 11:32:31 AM
Klaas

Another Joran one

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas

Did you get this one??  Think SC has had the munchies too.  Maybe some new kind of "weed"  :wink:

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4

Yes, I go through the Magic and CoolAruba a couple times a day now  :lol:  I saw the SC one..actually may have posted it the other day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:33:20 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas

Another Joran one

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Buckeye - you are giving me the link to the entire list.  Which album?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 11:34:38 AM
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

Very sad to hear this  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 11:37:40 AM
OMG...had a feeling...thanks, Jacquie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 11:40:09 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OMG...had a feeling...thanks, Jacquie.


What a damn shame.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.

Like Red said -- we expected this. I don't believe ONE word that the French claim. Landis is not THAT stupid -- I call BS!!


I look at it this way. Either this sport is the most tainted, corrupt sport going ... or it has some of the most brazen, stupid athletes ever born.

Think about it. Lance Armstrong has been accused for 7 years of doping. In those 7 years he got better, not worse. One would think that once they were accused and knew they were guilty they would stop or retire. Their performance would decline because they were no longer juiced. Lance just kept winning. Are we to believe that while he was being accused, he was still doping? Hard to imagine. If true, it does not get any more brazen than that.

Playing and following sports through out my life and other things I have seen and learned that jealousy is a terrible trait that other have toward people/athletes/business when they are number 1.

Along comes Landis and in the midst of doping scandals that cost what was supposed to be the successor to Armstrong his chance.

"The names of Ullrich and Basso turned up on a list of 56 cyclists who allegedly had contact with Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who's at the center of the Spanish doping probe."

 So either they are all guilty and if that is the case then I blame the governing body.

Or, the UCI is manipulating the sport as to who they want in or out. In any event ... its a disgrace.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 11:46:30 AM
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"


Looks like Koen has a little "road rash" on the left side of his face as well.   :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)


Good catch Detective Klass... I couldn't see beyond his cheeks.  

How do you skin your face there?


Maybe Joran let Koen borrow his bicycle and Koen fell off. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas

Another Joran one

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Buckeye - you are giving me the link to the entire list.  Which album?


Sorry, I think the Bahia extreme youth again..there are several.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:


Because there is a trick to getting them to work.  They have to be in a photobucket site, or something like photobucket..then you need to copy the URL without the IMG tags and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your profile for Avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas

Another Joran one

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Buckeye - you are giving me the link to the entire list.  Which album?


Sorry, I think the Bahia extreme youth again..there are several.


Buckeye - those were posted the other day.  Some were even put on the front page of SM.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sb on July 27, 2006, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Landis cheats by taking drugs, gets caught and next you can bet he will say he did not know and somebody slipped the drugs in his wheaties or bottled water.

He shouldn't be allowed to compete again.


FM,

You know I almost take the other tack. Is the testing lab in Paris, France where they are pissed that an American rider has once again won what is considered a European sport beyond questioning?

Look at the Dutch forensic labs where the NH evidence was sent. Otherwise known as the "black hole".

Governing bodies of sports are like the UN, some of the most corrupt entities on the planet. Look at the IOC and bribery scandals to determine Olympic sites, the Ice Skating bribery scandal. Don't even get me started on Boxing.

One begins to wonder if these governing bodies are policing their sports or trying to manipulate them.


Red, I don't just "almost" take the other tack here.

I smell a rat. This is another "we don't like the Ugly Americans so disqualify them" stunt to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:


Because there is a trick to getting them to work.  They have to be in a photobucket site, or something like photobucket..then you need to copy the URL without the IMG tags and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your profile for Avatars.


oh mercy...guess i will remain avatarless...but thanks for answering.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: snoopy on July 27, 2006, 11:51:22 AM
Hi everybody!!   :D

Can't hang out with ya'll right now  just wanted to wish nonesuche a Happy Birthday!!

See ya'll tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OMG...had a feeling...thanks, Jacquie.


What a damn shame.


Yes, another life snuffed out...hope they catch the bastard.  I had read earlier that while her friend was being transported to St. Vincent's, she slipped away from the attendant at the impound lot..neither were in good condition due to alchol or whatever.  Article said she told bf on call at 5am that she was being followed.  If only she didn't wander off..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Buckeye on July 27, 2006, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Klaas

Another Joran one

http://tinyurl.com/z4fc4


Buckeye - you are giving me the link to the entire list.  Which album?


Sorry, I think the Bahia extreme youth again..there are several.


Buckeye - those were posted the other day.  Some were even put on the front page of SM.  :wink:


I could swear they're different ones...sorry..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 11:51:50 AM
Hi Monkeys {{{hugs}}}  I'm home!  Just for a little bit though...  Today's a good day for a manicure and pedicure ~ it's cloudy...  and a few drops of rain hit the car right as I got to Mass this morning...  but then it stopped...

Very special Mass today, None...  The priest celebratin Mass today was Father Francis ~ Patriarch in the Eastern Rite Catholic Church ~ and Priest in the Roman Rite, that I am more familiar with...

A man of truly great wisdom and learning ~ he speaks Greek, Hebrew, Latin and number of other languages and has taught much about why we do the things that we do ~ how they tie into the Old Testament...  What a beautiful tapestry covering us in God's love!

He's also the priest who said in a Mother's Day homily the things my heart so greatly needed to heal...  And now I'm sharing that healing with my sister...

When I saw him walk up the aisle today I thought ~ Oh this is wonderful!  God will truly have to hear the prayers offered at this priest's Mass ~ His Heart will truly be moved!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 11:52:06 AM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:


Because there is a trick to getting them to work.  They have to be in a photobucket site, or something like photobucket..then you need to copy the URL without the IMG tags and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your profile for Avatars.


oh mercy...guess i will remain avatarless...but thanks for answering.


Me too Sunny... i opened a photobucket account but couldn't figure it out.  LOL  Too tired to learn another new trick.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 11:52:38 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OMG...had a feeling...thanks, Jacquie.


What a damn shame.


Yes, another life snuffed out...hope they catch the bastard.  I had read earlier that while her friend was being transported to St. Vincent's, she slipped away from the attendant at the impound lot..neither were in good condition due to alchol or whatever.  Article said she told bf on call at 5am that she was being followed.  If only she didn't wander off..


I was wondering why she did not go in the ambulance to accompany her friend.

This is tragic.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:


Because there is a trick to getting them to work.  They have to be in a photobucket site, or something like photobucket..then you need to copy the URL without the IMG tags and PASTE it into the THIRD option in your profile for Avatars.


oh mercy...guess i will remain avatarless...but thanks for answering.


Sunny - I have this one if you want to use it.  

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/sunnytxbow.gif)

Just copy the link below and paste it into the THIRD option in the avatar area in your profile:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/sunnytxbow.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 11:56:03 AM
Hello everyone!!  What's the word??  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Not guilty by reason of insanity Mrs. Red...  One of the people on television yesterday said that knowing what she knows of the mental condition of Andrea Yates ~ she highly doubts that Andrea will ever get out of the mental institution...

And, I'm sorry ~ but I think that will be her judgement too, on the final day ~ Compassion, Mercy, and Wisdom in His Judgements ~

I'm sorry ~ I don't mean to speak for God...  but I do know His greatest atribute is Mercy...  and forgiveness...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"


Looks like Koen has a little "road rash" on the left side of his face as well.   :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)


Good catch Detective Klass... I couldn't see beyond his cheeks.  

How do you skin your face there?


Maybe Joran let Koen borrow his bicycle and Koen fell off. :wink:


Maybe Koen made a pass a jorans girl and joran figured he better fight for this one and make it look good


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OT - Anyone heard anything new about the missing 18 year old, Jennifer Moore, from Harrington Park, NJ...missing in NYC since early hours Tuesday, after drinking w/girlfriend at a club???  I don't have a good feeling about it.


Oh geez...  No, I hadn't heard....  but saying a prayer now...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
OMG...had a feeling...thanks, Jacquie.


What a damn shame.


Yes, another life snuffed out...hope they catch the bastard.  I had read earlier that while her friend was being transported to St. Vincent's, she slipped away from the attendant at the impound lot..neither were in good condition due to alchol or whatever.  Article said she told bf on call at 5am that she was being followed.  If only she didn't wander off..


I was wondering why she did not go in the ambulance to accompany her friend.

This is tragic.


This is copied from the article I read on northjersey.com this AM:

Emergency Medical Services was summoned to take Moore and her friend to the hospital. While the friend was transported to Saint Vincent's Hospital -- and released later in the morning -- Moore strayed from the guard's sight, apparently along the West Side Highway, Hayden said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Not guilty by reason of insanity Mrs. Red...  One of the people on television yesterday said that knowing what she knows of the mental condition of Andrea Yates ~ she highly doubts that Andrea will ever get out of the mental institution...

And, I'm sorry ~ but I think that will be her judgement too, on the final day ~ Compassion, Mercy, and Wisdom in His Judgements ~

I'm sorry ~ I don't mean to speak for God...  but I do know His greatest atribute is Mercy...  and forgiveness...


But Katz... like TCUmom said .. that hospital is so over-crowded... I think she will be out and "cured" before we know it... I actually give her about 16 months....

it devastes me when kids are harmed.... on this one, you are a much better Christian than I am!! (((HUGS)))


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 12:01:51 PM
Sue,

Your avatar is one of the cutest things I have ever seen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
???? why are some avatars working and other not....BTW..I already said good morning :wink:



I have a question about that myself....I do not use photos from websites. I use photos from my picture file on my puter. Perhaps the fix so far is only for website avys and not computer.....??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello everyone!!  What's the word??  ;)


Good morning, Strike!

The word is cool...  and joy....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 12:05:21 PM
Sue - You win the Avatar contest hands down!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:05:28 PM
            Nonesuche

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h82/BigMouse1925/surprise.gif)



(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h82/BigMouse1925/birthdaycake.gif)

Happy Birthday, Have a Wonderful Day


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Sue - You win the Avatar contest hands down!


Thank You  :lol: , Just wish I could shrink it some without goofing it up

I am a Bassett Freak


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Not guilty by reason of insanity Mrs. Red...  One of the people on television yesterday said that knowing what she knows of the mental condition of Andrea Yates ~ she highly doubts that Andrea will ever get out of the mental institution...

And, I'm sorry ~ but I think that will be her judgement too, on the final day ~ Compassion, Mercy, and Wisdom in His Judgements ~

I'm sorry ~ I don't mean to speak for God...  but I do know His greatest atribute is Mercy...  and forgiveness...


But Katz... like TCUmom said .. that hospital is so over-crowded... I think she will be out and "cured" before we know it... I actually give her about 16 months....

it devastes me when kids are harmed.... on this one, you are a much better Christian than I am!! (((HUGS)))


Hey Scarlett!!  ;)

16 months, huh?  As loony as that woman is, I'd doubt she gets out anytime before her life ends.  Even with overcrowding in those "hospitals", there's absolutely no way on earth someone who did what she did to those kids would EVER be released back into society as a free woman.  Trust me...it'd never happen.

That woman will die in that hospital...guaranteed!  Sure, the system failed us all with that one.  But, that's out system.  Maybe those jurors should be put on trial for being stuck on stupid!!   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Am I the only horrified person to hear that Andrea Yates was found not guility?


Not guilty by reason of insanity Mrs. Red...  One of the people on television yesterday said that knowing what she knows of the mental condition of Andrea Yates ~ she highly doubts that Andrea will ever get out of the mental institution...

And, I'm sorry ~ but I think that will be her judgement too, on the final day ~ Compassion, Mercy, and Wisdom in His Judgements ~

I'm sorry ~ I don't mean to speak for God...  but I do know His greatest atribute is Mercy...  and forgiveness...


But Katz... like TCUmom said .. that hospital is so over-crowded... I think she will be out and "cured" before we know it... I actually give her about 16 months....

it devastes me when kids are harmed.... on this one, you are a much better Christian than I am!! (((HUGS)))


No I'm not, Mrs. Red...  not at all...  not at all...  I just realize how much in need of His Mercy and Love I am....

And how could I not want Him to look upon others in the same way...


But, you know ~ for some people...  I find that I just can't care...  So I offer up a Chaplet of Mercy to Jesus for them ~ and tell Him ~ hey, it's there if they choose to use it ~ if not ~ Jesus will give it to someone else who will....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello everyone!!  What's the word??  ;)


Good morning, Strike!

The word is cool...  and joy....


Good morning Katz!!  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Sue - You win the Avatar contest hands down!



Also it is suppose to move but it doesnt as a avatar :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 27, 2006, 12:13:10 PM
Klaas, do you have my avatar in your photobucket?

TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Klaas, do you have my avatar in your photobucket?

TY


Hi Peaches, My other Bassett Fan  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 12:15:10 PM
:D HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONSEY! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:15:19 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello everyone!!  What's the word??  ;)


Good morning, Strike!

The word is cool...  and joy....


Good morning Katz!!  ;)


Dancin' to "Lets Work" as I do the cats breakfast dishes, Strike...   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Sue - You win the Avatar contest hands down!


Thank You  :lol: , Just wish I could shrink it some without goofing it up

I am a Bassett Freak


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/family_dog_edited.jpg)


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/family_dog_edited.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:19:04 PM

Thank You Klaasend , it is perfect now  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mere on July 27, 2006, 12:21:04 PM
If this works, Sophia has graduated from photobucket school...!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Quote from: "Sue"

Thank You Klaasend , it is perfect now  :lol:

All I did was EDIT it in Photobucket and RESIZED by 50%.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....


Hey Di
Stalling on rehab haha
I read they were at police impound lot, cops would not release car to them because they were too intoxicated. Her purse and ATM were locked inside car. They thought maybe she was worried because she was underage and intoxicated and walked away from police. Called her boyfriend at 5am saying she was lost and a man was following her


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:22:04 PM

Well gotta head out my daughter is getting her wisdom teeth out
Wish her luck  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mere on July 27, 2006, 12:22:15 PM
klaas...thank you....the instructions were great.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 12:22:57 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....

I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 12:24:25 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sue"

Thank You Klaasend , it is perfect now  :lol:

All I did was EDIT it in Photobucket and RESIZED by 50%.   :wink:


when it comes to photobucket you are number 1, we all know that :lol:

thank you, back later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:25:06 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....


Hey Di
Stalling on rehab haha
I read they were at police impound lot, cops would not release car to them because they were too intoxicated. Her purse and ATM were locked inside car. They thought maybe she was worried because she was underage and intoxicated and walked away from police. Called her boyfriend at 5am saying she was lost and a man was following her


Oh man....  damn....  why...  why...  why!!!!!   :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:25:45 PM
Quote
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


Is it a actual highway or a road?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....


Hey Di
Stalling on rehab haha

I read they were at police impound lot, cops would not release car to them because they were too intoxicated. Her purse and ATM were locked inside car. They thought maybe she was worried because she was underage and intoxicated and walked away from police. Called her boyfriend at 5am saying she was lost and a man was following her


Oh man....  damn....  why...  why...  why!!!!!   :cry:  :cry:


I know Katz...these girls make one error in judgement and friggin predators come out of the woodwork!! Breaks my heart!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: blah on July 27, 2006, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Klaas, do you have my avatar in your photobucket?

TY


Hi Peaches, My other Bassett Fan  :D


my folks are basset nuts too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/61425.php

Not looking too promising for the missing nj girl.

This is terrible.


This is sad and seemingly becoming more common.
However, I do have a question....  Why didn't she go to the hospital with her friend in the ambulance?  Strange how they would just abandoned her in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.  Would'nt there at least be a cop around when the ambulance showed up?  Unless I missed something.   I'm just thinking out loud....

I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


San...  When I was 15 to 17...  I walked Harlem, the East Village ~ took the subway ~ all alone in the middle of the night...  a lot...

I had it rough coming up, San...  And yet, I know now ~ that I had Angels walking with me...

And I had guys just walk me to my door ~ just to make sure that I got home safe...


Why, oh why ~ can't everyone be this blessed!   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:29:20 PM
Quote
Oh man.... damn.... why... why... why!!!!!  


I think these cops let these girls down. When saw they were too intoxicated to drive home...and out of their element...and SO YOUNG!! Should have gotten them home!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


Is it a actual highway or a road?

It's one of the main traveling areas to get to streets in the city.  There is the West Side Highway and the FDR which is on the East Side.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 12:30:10 PM
I am sure there will be lot's more to come on this Jersey Girl.

I have a hard time understanding a girl wandering away in the presence of police officers, and EMT people.

Unless she gave them the slip, because she was scared of getting in trouble.

So sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


Is it a actual highway or a road?


Can walk on the street there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:30:53 PM
Quote
San... When I was 15 to 17... I walked Harlem, the East Village ~ took the subway ~ all alone in the middle of the night... a lot...

I had it rough coming up, San... And yet, I know now ~ that I had Angels walking with me...

And I had guys just walk me to my door ~ just to make sure that I got home safe...


Why, oh why ~ can't everyone be this blessed!  
_________________


I agree...we read these stories and KNOW it could have been any one of us!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


Is it a actual highway or a road?


Highway...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 12:33:28 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"

San...  When I was 15 to 17...  I walked Harlem, the East Village ~ took the subway ~ all alone in the middle of the night...  a lot...

I had it rough coming up, San...  And yet, I know now ~ that I had Angels walking with me...

And I had guys just walk me to my door ~ just to make sure that I got home safe...

Why, oh why ~ can't everyone be this blessed!   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Katz you were lucky and someone was watching over you.  Times have changed and unfortunately not for the better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Sue"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Klaas, do you have my avatar in your photobucket?

TY


Hi Peaches, My other Bassett Fan  :D


my folks are basset nuts too


My Uncle Paulie in Pennsylvania is too...  and a Cubs fan...  big time!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 27, 2006, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: "San"
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


No kidding! And the impound lot is in the nastiest and scariest of places.

I was there a very long time ago when my car got towed because a parked truck was blocking the no parking sign. I was with my bf at the time -- it wasn't even late -- both of us wanted to get the he$$ out of there.

What a sad story. She didn't realize she was exercising such bad judgement :(

Oh, man.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:36:25 PM
these girls are young, naive and inexperienced drinkers...their only crime is innocence!! Should not lose their lives for it!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: San on July 27, 2006, 12:36:29 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "San"
I don't know why but I wouldn't want to be alone in the middle of the night on the West Side Highway.


No kidding! And the impound lot is in the nastiest and scariest of places.

I was there a very long time ago when my car got towed because a parked truck was blocking the no parking sign. I was with my bf at the time -- it wasn't even late -- both of us wanted to get the he$$ out of there.

What a sad story. She didn't realize she was exercising such bad judgement :(

Oh, man.

Exactly.  This poor kid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 12:37:17 PM
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???


I haven't had any Sunny


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "KatzHome"

San...  When I was 15 to 17...  I walked Harlem, the East Village ~ took the subway ~ all alone in the middle of the night...  a lot...

I had it rough coming up, San...  And yet, I know now ~ that I had Angels walking with me...

And I had guys just walk me to my door ~ just to make sure that I got home safe...

Why, oh why ~ can't everyone be this blessed!   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Katz you were lucky and someone was watching over you.  Times have changed and unfortunately not for the better.


Yeah, I know, San...  And I still do "stupid" things... and He and Mary still watch over me...  I was in Bosnia during the war...  and running around at night on the streets of Mostar when it was getting bombed...  My Godchild, Matilda was taking me to her friend who could open up the art museum for me to see it...   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 12:42:18 PM
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???


I haven't had any Sunny


thanks L :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


SUPER FP RED.....let's make sure all the media outlets gets this.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???

No - tell them to delete their cookies - if they are still having problems, tell them to email Red and Tom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


More disappearances:


PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday.  And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive.  She called her mother and told her that.  And our family was—was—began the grieving process.  

You know, we were told the report would come out the next day.  Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened.  Shortly thereafter, it was retracted.  The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead.  And these reports came from the deputy commissioner.  They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.

And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


SUPER FP RED.....let's make sure all the media outlets gets this.....

Seems to me alot of the evidence was "hand" carried to Holland by the prosecutors office.  Makes you wonder  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 12:58:24 PM
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 01:00:12 PM
Yeah! My avatar is working.  This one is an Alaskan sunset from a few weeks ago taken at 1:15 am.  Gotta love the midnight sun!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


My theory on this:

People are no longer teaching their children to have respect for other people.

A perfect example of this is the PIMPS. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
But Katz... like TCUmom said .. that hospital is so over-crowded... I think she will be out and "cured" before we know it... I actually give her about 16 months....

it devastes me when kids are harmed.... on this one, you are a much better Christian than I am!! (((HUGS)))


I'm sorry to go back to this, Mrs. Red... But yes ~ it devastates me when I see anyone harmed...  children...  and you all know how I feel about women not really being safe walking the streets...

But, Mrs. Red...  listen to the way that Prince sings "I Would Die 4 U" that's on the Promotional Videos...  it's all true...

He **IS** our friend... He chose to die for YOU/ME/US ~ He is our Messiah

And He's not far away...  He's right here...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


My theory on this:

People are no longer teaching their children to have respect for other people.

A perfect example of this is the PIMPS. :evil:


My husband and I are hoping to start a family this year and I plan on raising my children teaching them to respect others and treat them the way you would want to be treated!

That is how I was raised and I hope I can pass it along to our children someday...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


My theory on this:

People are no longer teaching their children to have respect for other people.

A perfect example of this is the PIMPS. :evil:


My husband and I are hoping to start a family this year and I plan on raising my children teaching them to respect others and treat them the way you would want to be treated!

That is how I was raised and I hope I can pass it along to our children someday...


Good for you hubbylove. I didn't mean, by the way, that absolutely no one teaches their children respect any longer. I know there are many wonderful parents out there, and that was a very general statement I made. It would be more accurate to say that many more people neglect this than used to. When you combine that with access to violent and pornographic material, the results are VERY scary.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


My theory on this:

People are no longer teaching their children to have respect for other people.

A perfect example of this is the PIMPS. :evil:


My husband and I are hoping to start a family this year and I plan on raising my children teaching them to respect others and treat them the way you would want to be treated!

That is how I was raised and I hope I can pass it along to our children someday...


Yeah ~ the world would be a much better place if we would all just do that...

I'm going to have to restart my computer...  I had too much going on it since yesterday...  It's too tired and confused to burn a CD for me right now...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 01:19:37 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
This story of the girl from NJ makes me so sad.  I seriously feel blessed to be alive because there were plenty of nights that could have been me.  I pray that she did not suffer too much.  Why are there so many sick people roaming the streets these days  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:




Well...I do not feel blessed, because I do not pray, nor am I religious in any way. I do however, agree with your statement as to WHY AM I still here. I often wonder about my past. I am now 50 and of course not acting like I did in younger times. I hope soon to be able to put this case behind me and that all family members have answers.......Natalees friends as well as all of us here who have been involved in this mystery. All I want is truth from Aruba and justice for all. We are all tired waiting on this NY Judge's decision. I suppose she had a great vacation, where ever she went...we did not. I find it totally pathetic she could not have rendered a decision BEFORE she went on vacation. VERY CRUEL to all involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"


Sunny - I have this one if you want to use it.  

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/sunnytxbow.gif)

Just copy the link below and paste it into the THIRD option in the avatar area in your profile:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/sunnytxbow.gif


thanks Klaas I will give it a try.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???

No - tell them to delete their cookies - if they are still having problems, tell them to email Red and Tom.


thanks Klaas...will do


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 01:27:11 PM
I have a really cute snoopy avy but I do not know how to post it in forum. It is small......snoopy on dog house w/ a sun in background. It is really cute and small.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 01:34:52 PM
I also have a snoopy on a laptop puter, lol.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 01:35:26 PM
Hi All-

I left everyone a post in the lounge, I cannot thank you enough. I fear the server may overload with all the wonderful messages in your sig lines  :oops: if so, apologies in advance to Red and Tom !!

BTGirl-

You are a smart mom, it is about respect and if only that were achieved by parents and children, our world would be so much safer.

Klaas-

Sophie left you something in the lounge  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
I have a really cute snoopy avy but I do not know how to post it in forum. It is small......snoopy on dog house w/ a sun in background. It is really cute and small.


You know, don't you, if you use that everyone will think you are our poster named Snoopy. You know how bad we are to not look at names when we can look at avatars :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi All-

I left everyone a post in the lounge, I cannot thank you enough. I fear the server may overload with all the wonderful messages in your sig lines  :oops: if so, apologies in advance to Red and Tom !!

BTGirl-

You are a smart mom, it is about respect and if only that were achieved by parents and children, our world would be so much safer.


Klaas-

Sophie left you something in the lounge  :wink:


Thanks, None. My children Angie and Kuoka turned out pretty well, didn't they? :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 01:37:12 PM
Oh and thanks for the photos of the pimps today Klaas, if I were Koen's fine parents <yea right>, and saw that bloated photo of him with road rash I would realize that he's up to NO GOOD !!!!!!!    :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"

Good for you hubbylove. I didn't mean, by the way, that absolutely no one teaches their children respect any longer. I know there are many wonderful parents out there, and that was a very general statement I made. It would be more accurate to say that many more people neglect this than used to. When you combine that with access to violent and pornographic material, the results are VERY scary.


I did not take what you said the wrong way at all.  I agree 100% and I really hope that we will be able to raise children who will want to make the world a better place.  From my days as a preschool teacher I know that many of the children's parents were not doing a good job at teaching respect for others and instead left it up to me.  I did my best but 12 wild and crazy two year old boys made it a challange!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 01:38:25 PM
yes BT, you did an outstanding job with your two offspring  :D

off to fix a snack for mr none, hope all are having a great day and thank you for making mine so special.

Red-

FP looks great too !!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Oh and thanks for the photos of the pimps today Klaas, if I were Koen's fine parents <yea right>, and saw that bloated photo of him with road rash I would realize that he's up to NO GOOD !!!!!!!    :x

Nonesuche - they are probably giving him a big "high five" for being such a stud  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 27, 2006, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
I have a really cute snoopy avy but I do not know how to post it in forum. It is small......snoopy on dog house w/ a sun in background. It is really cute and small.


You know, don't you, if you use that everyone will think you are our poster named Snoopy. You know how bad we are to not look at names when we can look at avatars :lol:

nooooooooo.....didn't mean I WANTED to use it, lol.......meant I had it 4 Snoopy in here!!! I have no reason to use snoopy avy lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 27, 2006, 01:49:50 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
I have a really cute snoopy avy but I do not know how to post it in forum. It is small......snoopy on dog house w/ a sun in background. It is really cute and small.


You know, don't you, if you use that everyone will think you are our poster named Snoopy. You know how bad we are to not look at names when we can look at avatars :lol:

nooooooooo.....didn't mean I WANTED to use it, lol.......meant I had it 4 Snoopy in here!!! I have no reason to use snoopy avy lol.


I'll bet Ms. Snoopy would love that lots!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 01:58:39 PM
Emergency Medical Services was summoned to take Moore and her friend to the hospital. While the friend was transported to Saint Vincent's Hospital -- and released later in the morning -- Moore strayed from the guard's sight, apparently along the West Side Highway, Hayden said.

Moore graduated from Saddle River Day School in May and is enrolled at the University of Hartford for the fall, her father said. Her tight group of friends and high school social life revolved around soccer, he said.

“She was a wonderful child, someone with a lust for life and she enjoyed every minute of life,” her father said Thursday morning. “It was the wrong thing, wrong place and the wrong time. It could happen to anybody.

“Once in a while something terrible is going to happen, and this is one of those times.”


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Some people are having problems logging on....Tyler, Leslie. and Lala's....

has anyone else been having problems???


Please ask them to email RED and he can re-set them... or figure out what's wrong..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 02:05:50 PM
That poor girl - Had no idea how dangerous a place it was so  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 02:06:51 PM
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
But Katz... like TCUmom said .. that hospital is so over-crowded... I think she will be out and "cured" before we know it... I actually give her about 16 months....

it devastes me when kids are harmed.... on this one, you are a much better Christian than I am!! (((HUGS)))


I'm sorry to go back to this, Mrs. Red... But yes ~ it devastates me when I see anyone harmed...  children...  and you all know how I feel about women not really being safe walking the streets...

But, Mrs. Red...  listen to the way that Prince sings "I Would Die 4 U" that's on the Promotional Videos...  it's all true...

He **IS** our friend... He chose to die for YOU/ME/US ~ He is our Messiah

And He's not far away...  He's right here...


HUGS Katz.. I didn't mean anything negative to you... and I totally agree that he died for ** US** and I try to do what's right... but I just don't believe the insanity plea from this woman... maybe I am wrong, and God forgive me if I am, but I have a huge issue with it....

but I do know exactly what you are saying... maybe I should say it this way, I don't have trust in the system that she won't be out enjoying life in a few years.... and those 5 precious kids, candles extinguished too soon!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 02:11:09 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


once agian, the person already had a criminal background....

did y'all see the Missing Person's page about the creep that killed Destiny, the little girl in Utah??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:16:19 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
HUGS Katz.. I didn't mean anything negative to you... and I totally agree that he died for ** US** and I try to do what's right... but I just don't believe the insanity plea from this woman... maybe I am wrong, and God forgive me if I am, but I have a huge issue with it....

but I do know exactly what you are saying... maybe I should say it this way, I don't have trust in the system that she won't be out enjoying life in a few years.... and those 5 precious kids, candles extinguished too soon!!


{{{hugs}}}  Mrs. Red ~ and I do know what you mean too...  Like that guy who killed John Lennon...  getting family visiting passes...  I didn't have much sympathy for him....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 02:16:48 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


once agian, the person already had a criminal background....

did y'all see the Missing Person's page about the creep that killed Destiny, the little girl in Utah??


I haven't yet but am heading back to the FP to read now, there are just so many strong pieces there at the moment, I hope everyone can make time to read the FP with me. Thanks for reminding us.

a thank you to everyone http://www.jupitergreetings.com/5460,0c0j4k5l3q


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


See ~ this is what drives me right out of my freakin' mind!!!!!  They had this guy already ~ they KNOW he's dangerous...

And yet ~ he's still out on the streets...


Before I go off ~ what KIND of ciminal background did this guy have....   :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:24:29 PM
And what about the guy who killed Destiny...

Did he have a "history" too.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:27:51 PM
I really have to get out of here...  My nails are so long...  They'll scream about me scratching the roulette wheel...  I need a manicure...

See ya Monkeys later...  Love you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


See ~ this is what drives me right out of my freakin' mind!!!!!  They had this guy already ~ they KNOW he's dangerous...

And yet ~ he's still out on the streets...


Before I go off ~ what KIND of ciminal background did this guy have....   :evil:


That's all they have released so far...

Just that she was found in a dumpster in a motel and they were interviewing a suspect, (no name given) with criminal backround.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


See ~ this is what drives me right out of my freakin' mind!!!!!  They had this guy already ~ they KNOW he's dangerous...

And yet ~ he's still out on the streets...


Before I go off ~ what KIND of ciminal background did this guy have....   :evil:


And let me guess, he was just released from jail a few months ago.  I am beginning to have serious doubts in our penal system.  It seems too easy for these repeat offenders to get out and hurt another innocent person...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


See ~ this is what drives me right out of my freakin' mind!!!!!  They had this guy already ~ they KNOW he's dangerous...

And yet ~ he's still out on the streets...


Before I go off ~ what KIND of ciminal background did this guy have....   :evil:


That's all they have released so far...

Just that she was found in a dumpster in a motel and they were interviewing a suspect, (no name given) with criminal backround.


Thanks Jacq....  I'm heading out the door now ~ but leaving the browser open to this page...  I figure there will be updates posted while I'm gone...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Suspect with extensive criminal backround being questioned by police in the Death of Missing NJ girl...


See ~ this is what drives me right out of my freakin' mind!!!!!  They had this guy already ~ they KNOW he's dangerous...

And yet ~ he's still out on the streets...


Before I go off ~ what KIND of ciminal background did this guy have....   :evil:


That's all they have released so far...

Just that she was found in a dumpster in a motel and they were interviewing a suspect, (no name given) with criminal backround.


Thanks Jacq....  I'm heading out the door now ~ but leaving the browser open to this page...  I figure there will be updates posted while I'm gone...


Yes, I'll update it.
Wish it were happier news, though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 02:34:46 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
And what about the guy who killed Destiny...

Did he have a "history" too.....


Oh yes... with his own child even!  It's the first story under the missing & exploited page w/i SM....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
And what about the guy who killed Destiny...

Did he have a "history" too.....


Here is the post from the SM Missing & Exploited  page

http://www.missingexploited.com/

makes me so angry!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 02:50:57 PM
just testing my avatar


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 02:51:41 PM
IT WORKS!!
Thanks Klaas
You ARE the best!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
IT WORKS!!
Thanks Klaas
You ARE the best!!! :D


Cool - glad it worked!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on July 27, 2006, 02:57:43 PM
Hello again!!  How's everyone today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 27, 2006, 03:01:34 PM
What an adorable avatar ldstlou!!

I have been reading the document put together by those at BFN - man I am just getting madder and madder.  I have known all these things about the cover-up, non-investigation etc. but to see it all in one place, time after time after time.  It burns me up!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Hello again!!  How's everyone today?


Hello again, Strike!  Glad to be going out with some new music I just burned...

I really need a manicure before going back to work tomorrow...  and the dealership has the new plates for my car...

So, maybe I'll see ya later {{{hugs}}}  With the late shift...  last night I'm able to hang out with you guys then...  unless it's my weekend....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 27, 2006, 03:03:07 PM
<excerpt>:

Craig Roger Gregerson was charged Thursday with aggravated murder and child kidnapping in the death of 5-year-old Destiny Norton, but prosecutors have not decided whether to pursue the death penalty.
    Gregerson, 20, is accused of luring Destiny from her nearby back yard into his home at 518 E. Elwood Place (715 South), suffocating her, sexually abusing her body and disposing of it in a plastic storage container in his basement on July 16.
    Aggravated murder is a capital crime, punishable by death or life in prison without the possibility of parole.
    The case was charged as a capital crime because of the kidnapping and because of the alleged sexual desecration of a corpse, said Deputy Salt Lake County District Attorney Robert Stott.
    It is believed to be the first capital case charged under the desecration statute, which was only recently added to the circumstances for aggravated murder.

http://**/ci_4102988


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
IT WORKS!!
Thanks Klaas
You ARE the best!!! :D


That is SOOOOO cute, ldstlou!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 27, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
<excerpt>:

Craig Roger Gregerson was charged Thursday with aggravated murder and child kidnapping in the death of 5-year-old Destiny Norton, but prosecutors have not decided whether to pursue the death penalty.
    Gregerson, 20, is accused of luring Destiny from her nearby back yard into his home at 518 E. Elwood Place (715 South), suffocating her, sexually abusing her body and disposing of it in a plastic storage container in his basement on July 16.
    Aggravated murder is a capital crime, punishable by death or life in prison without the possibility of parole.
    The case was charged as a capital crime because of the kidnapping and because of the alleged sexual desecration of a corpse, said Deputy Salt Lake County District Attorney Robert Stott.
    It is believed to be the first capital case charged under the desecration statute, which was only recently added to the circumstances for aggravated murder.

http://**/ci_4102988


If this case is not one for which the death penalty should be sought, then tell me what is!!!

This sickens me beyond words. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thik on July 27, 2006, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


'' empty words and a few meaningless gestures' !!
where the hell are the ''fireworks''..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "msmarple"
<excerpt>:

Craig Roger Gregerson was charged Thursday with aggravated murder and child kidnapping in the death of 5-year-old Destiny Norton, but prosecutors have not decided whether to pursue the death penalty.
    Gregerson, 20, is accused of luring Destiny from her nearby back yard into his home at 518 E. Elwood Place (715 South), suffocating her, sexually abusing her body and disposing of it in a plastic storage container in his basement on July 16.
    Aggravated murder is a capital crime, punishable by death or life in prison without the possibility of parole.
    The case was charged as a capital crime because of the kidnapping and because of the alleged sexual desecration of a corpse, said Deputy Salt Lake County District Attorney Robert Stott.
    It is believed to be the first capital case charged under the desecration statute, which was only recently added to the circumstances for aggravated murder.

http://**/ci_4102988


If this case is not one for which the death penalty should be sought, then tell me what is!!!

This sickens me beyond words. :cry:


I feel physically ill after reading all the info about this case.  Sometimes knowing the details of something like this can make it worse.  As much as I want answers for Natalees family these kind of answers make me wonder if it would be better not knowing the details... :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 03:18:38 PM
Quote from: "thik"

'' empty words and a few meaningless gestures' !!
where the hell are the ''fireworks''..


Thik
Long time no see!  Nice to see you on the forum.  I might have to change my avatar if you are going to stick around.  We saw lots of bears in Alaska and I have some great pics!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: thik on July 27, 2006, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "thik"

'' empty words and a few meaningless gestures' !!
where the hell are the ''fireworks''..


Thik
Long time no see!  Nice to see you on the forum.  I might have to change my avatar if you are going to stick around.  We saw lots of bears in Alaska and I have some great pics!



hey, howrya ?
I lost my bear somwhere, when I got a new work computer.
Bears are cool,, so are monkeys..
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "thik"

'' empty words and a few meaningless gestures' !!
where the hell are the ''fireworks''..


Thik
Long time no see!  Nice to see you on the forum.  I might have to change my avatar if you are going to stick around.  We saw lots of bears in Alaska and I have some great pics!



hey, howrya ?
I lost my bear somwhere, when I got a new work computer.
Bears are cool,, so are monkeys..
 8)


I just changed it and this is a black bear we saw sleeping in a tree!  I love bears now, especially Grizzlies!!
Its nice to have you on the board!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 03:36:15 PM
I have to go and get some work done...

be good monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 03:38:55 PM
Capital Crime

Felony committed during commission of murder qualifies as capital crime, in the case of Destiny, capital murder compounded w/ desecration and kidnapping.  Death penalty eligible, and if Utah has statute on the books, this evil-doer will see the needle.

As we see, "kidnapping" charge is laid out immediately.

To the case of Natalee, note how van der Straaten downplays any talk of abduction/kidnapping in earliest interviews, and avoids addressing this issue directly.  Note too how HT Family ordered to remove "KIDNAPPED" posters which were posted around Aruba during first week.

Can it proven she wasn't kidnapped?  Actually, that's a lot harder than proving she was.  JQK in civil suit says "false imprisonment" -- what do you think he has?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 27, 2006, 03:45:28 PM
Great afternoon monkeys.  It's another hot, hazy & humid one here in the south. I'm beyond glistening.  Hee Hee.

We need to launch a campaign to get Congress to write some tougher laws regarding rape, molestation, & murder.  One strike and it's life without parole or capital punishment with only a 2 year appeals process.  Get these perverts off the street before they have the chance to hurt anyone else.  I doubt tougher laws would do anything to deter any of these creeps, but at least once caught, they are off the streets forever.
What a crazy crazy world we live in.  

Happy Birthday to None.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Capital Crime

Felony committed during commission of murder qualifies as capital crime, in the case of Destiny, capital murder compounded w/ desecration and kidnapping.  Death penalty eligible, and if Utah has statute on the books, this evil-doer will see the needle.

As we see, "kidnapping" charge is laid out immediately.

To the case of Natalee, note how van der Straaten downplays any talk of abduction/kidnapping in earliest interviews, and avoids addressing this issue directly.  Note too how HT Family ordered to remove "KIDNAPPED" posters which were posted around Aruba during first week.

Can it proven she wasn't kidnapped?  Actually, that's a lot harder than proving she was.  JQK in civil suit says "false imprisonment" -- what do you think he has?


I hope he has proof, but will that be enough?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Great afternoon monkeys.  It's another hot, hazy & humid one here in the south. I'm beyond glistening.  Hee Hee.

We need to launch a campaign to get Congress to write some tougher laws regarding rape, molestation, & murder.  One strike and it's life without parole or capital punishment with only a 2 year appeals process.  Get these perverts off the street before they have the chance to hurt anyone else.  I doubt tougher laws would do anything to deter any of these creeps, but at least once caught, they are off the streets forever.
What a crazy crazy world we live in.  

Happy Birthday to None.


GW Bush just signed a the "Adam Walsh" bill today!  John Walsh, Elizabeth Smart, and other 'famous' missing people families were thier when he signed it.  I was quite impressed with what all it covered.  From child molestors to internet predators, it listed a long range of items to protect children.  Longer sentences to national registries.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:15:28 PM
Not to toss water on anyone's spirits but does anyone else find that seeing the sporter and pimp friends out on the circuit with smiles and gangsta signage again worry anyone besides me?

I do not wish to be a pessimist but I do wonder if it's an indication of "we're home free"?????????

I HOPE I AM WRONG  :cry:

I just keep thinking in the back of my mind that it's an indicator of some kind, along with my fear Oduber's going to replace the income from tourism with oil or something similar?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 04:17:07 PM
This is a post from an Aruban by the name of Leila on June 7, 1005:

As a local from Aruba i am also very concerned about this situation. My prayers are with Natalee and her family and loved ones. I hope so much they’ll find her back alive, but of course everybody by now fears the worst. If they don’t find her alive or dead, they’ll have no case. The three boys are not off the hook, nor are the two security employees. In tonights local newsedition. Chris Lejuez said that most probably the 2 guards will not be formally charged with anything. For starters, the police arrested them unlawfully. Other technical mistakes have been concerning the arrest. Too many loose ends.
Yesterday I read some one was upset about Aruba being put in such negative light, cuz Aruba is, in his view, a safe and clean place. Hey , I’m glad! Carlos n Charlie is the worst place to go. Of course they wait for the girls that are spending their “last night in Aruba”- night. This date raping or gang raping is going on for a long time now. The local victims don’t even go to police, cuz they’re too embarassed about the situation. And NOBODY is going to believe there was no consent. Because you WERE drinking, you were dancing on the tables. And what happens here is soo tragic. The boys wait right outside on you, in this dark back alley location, to push you in their car for one more last stop.
Tourist will always come and go. But please girls, don’t mix and don’t do anything what here what you wouldn’t do at home.
You cannot even trust yourself, so WHY trust another?? Be it in Aruba or elsewhere…

Posted Jun 7, 10:51 PM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:18:15 PM
Thanks to you Dihannah and Sunfreak for the birthday wishes, everyone has gone out of their way to be so very kind to me, golly!!

Dihannah, that bill may be the best present I could have hoped for IF they pay for the resources to automate those systems/registries and actually train our LE to use them? I hope our judges will also pay attention to legislation, I am currently in a battle with SSA regarding new legislation enacted and had to call out to Senators and also our Governor to even make them agree to follow it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:18:53 PM
"This one is for Adam"!   From Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205961,00.html

WASHINGTON — President Bush, joined by "America's Most Wanted" host John Walsh, signed a new law Thursday that requires convicted child molesters to be listed on a national Internet database and face a felony charge for failing to update their whereabouts.

"Our nation grieves with every family that's suffered the unbearable pain of a child whose been abducted or abused," Bush said in a bill-signing ceremony in the Rose Garden. "This law takes an important step forward in this country's efforts to protect those who cannot protect themselves."

The measure was named for Walsh's 6-year-old son, Adam, who was abducted exactly 25 years ago Thursday, and subsequently murdered.

It aims to help police find more than 100,000 sex offenders by creating the first national online listing available to the public and searchable by ZIP code. It also called for harsh federal punishment for sexually assaulting children, including the possibility of the death penalty when a victim is murdered.

"Today is truly a family day for us," Walsh's wife, Reve, told reporters outside the West Wing following the event. "Adam's presence is felt here with us today. This is all about children. It tells children in our country that they are precious and are cared about — even though they don't have any money, or vote or lobby — that we will take care of them."

Bush said the new law will help prevent child abuse by creating the national child abuse registry, and requiring investigators to do background checks on adoptive and foster parents before they are approved to take custody of a child. Giving child protective services professionals in all 50 states access to this information will improve their ability to investigate their child abuse cases, he said.

"These improvements will help prevent sex offenders from evading detection by moving from one state to the next," Bush said.

Child advocates have called the bill the most sweeping sex offender legislation to target pedophiles in years. It would:

—Establish a comprehensive federal DNA database of material collected from convicted molesters, and procedures for the routine DNA collection and comparison to the database when someone has been convicted of such an offense.

—Provide federal funding for states to track pedophiles using global positioning devices.

—Allow victims of child abuse to sue their molesters.

The law imposes a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 years for raping a child; a mandatory 10-year penalty for sex trafficking offenses involving children and for coercing child prostitution; and increases minimum sentences for molesters who travel between states.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said the measure the president signed into law closes loopholes in current child Internet pornography laws. The senator and co-sponsor, Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., pushed to include what they dubbed "Masha's Law" into the legislation Bush signed.

Now 13, Masha Allen was adopted from a Russian orphanage at age 5 by a man who sexually abused her. Her abuser was convicted, yet her images on the Internet are being downloaded around the world.

"It's an absolute outrage that the penalty for downloading songs illegally off the Internet was three times the penalty for downloading disgusting images of children," Kerry said. "We need to do everything we can to end the disgrace of child pornography. This is a start."

The new law dramatically increases penalties for anyone who downloads child pornography off the Internet, raising the civil penalties from $50,000 to $150,000. It will also change existing law to allow victims ages 18 or older to recover damages from those who downloaded images of them taken while they were children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:20:18 PM
Klaas-

The part you bolded is incomprehensible but also explains WHY no one dares to stand up even for their own rights on that island, much less those of Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:22:21 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Thanks to you Dihannah and Sunfreak for the birthday wishes, everyone has gone out of their way to be so very kind to me, golly!!
I hope your day is going wonderful! You deserve one every day!
Dihannah, that bill may be the best present I could have hoped for IF they pay for the resources to automate those systems/registries and actually train our LE to use them? I hope our judges will also pay attention to legislation, I am currently in a battle with SSA regarding new legislation enacted and had to call out to Senators and also our Governor to even make them agree to follow it.


The neat thing about it, it was signed on th Adam's 25th anniversary of his abduction.  

I can't believe it took 25 freakin' years!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:24:35 PM
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:24:57 PM
And THEN there is ARUBA!   Lowering the consent age to 12!   Practically promoting sexual abuse and murder!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:25:50 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:30:12 PM
Dihannah,

That is a thought that never occurred to me and so very sad for your hubby and sister, you know San shared a link with me recently at AON for the 9/11 victims that is truly special and ongoing. I hope she will post it sometime.

What is the world coming to? I haven't even watched the conflict reports for Israel and Lebanon yet today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 04:33:33 PM
FM-

I loved the potatoes reminder this morning, you really made me chuckle, I'd forgotten about it  :lol:

I want photos of your new kitty babies, one of you in the skinny pants might be nice motivation for the rest of us too  :wink:

Off to plan dinner, we're ordering in gourmet pizza and this chocolate mousse cake with raspberry sauce   :D no skinny pants for us tonight!  :lol:

Hugs to all, thank you again for such a special day and thank you Dihannah for the latest on the good news from Washington! Hopefully Destiny will not have been lost in vain as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Dihannah,

That is a thought that never occurred to me and so very sad for your hubby and sister, you know San shared a link with me recently at AON for the 9/11 victims that is truly special and ongoing. I hope she will post it sometime.

What is the world coming to? I haven't even watched the conflict reports for Israel and Lebanon yet today.


It was most definately a sad day, not much celebrating that day,  but at least they were both adults and were not kids or relatives of those who lost their lives.  I always try to remember, on a bad day, how there is always somebody worse off than I am.  

Don't bother watching the news today!  It's your Birthday!  It's supposed to be a HAPPY day!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Dihannah,

That is a thought that never occurred to me and so very sad for your hubby and sister, you know San shared a link with me recently at AON for the 9/11 victims that is truly special and ongoing. I hope she will post it sometime.

What is the world coming to? I haven't even watched the conflict reports for Israel and Lebanon yet today.


It was most definately a sad day, not much celebrating that day,  but at least they were both adults and were not kids or relatives of those who lost their lives.  I always try to remember, on a bad day, how there is always somebody worse off than I am.  
Don't bother watching the news today!  It's your Birthday!  It's supposed to be a HAPPY day!   :D



I just re-read that and it didn't sound right.  It sounded kinda mean.  I hope ya'll know what I mean!  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 27, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
None:  Have a wonderful supper and celebration on your special day.

Again - Happy Birthday!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
What an adorable avatar ldstlou!!

I have been reading the document put together by those at BFN - man I am just getting madder and madder.  I have known all these things about the cover-up, non-investigation etc. but to see it all in one place, time after time after time.  It burns me up!!!


Thanks Sweetie, reminds me of my little boy!! And BIG thanks to Klaas for getting it to work!!

My stomach is churning over the death of the 5 year old girl AND Jennifer


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:41:36 PM
mmmmmm   yummy!   Enjoy the rest of your day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:42:16 PM
Quote
I always try to remember, on a bad day, how there is always somebody worse off than I am.


I knew exactly what you meant!! Count your blessings!! Alot of people have it a lot worse!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:43:25 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
FM-

I loved the potatoes reminder this morning, you really made me chuckle, I'd forgotten about it  :lol:

I want photos of your new kitty babies, one of you in the skinny pants might be nice motivation for the rest of us too  :wink:

Off to plan dinner, we're ordering in gourmet pizza and this chocolate mousse cake with raspberry sauce   :D no skinny pants for us tonight!  :lol:

Hugs to all, thank you again for such a special day and thank you Dihannah for the latest on the good news from Washington! Hopefully Destiny will not have been lost in vain as well.


OOHH!! Eat big pieces for me!! I am on the protein diet...LUST for a big piece of pizza!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
I always try to remember, on a bad day, how there is always somebody worse off than I am.


I knew exactly what you meant!! Count your blessings!! Alot of people have it a lot worse!!


Thank, you worded it better than I!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
I always try to remember, on a bad day, how there is always somebody worse off than I am.


I knew exactly what you meant!! Count your blessings!! Alot of people have it a lot worse!!


Thank, you worded it better than I!  :)


You an I  2 peas in a pod!! haha I gotcha covered!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:44:59 PM
Finishing up the rehab L?  or still procratinating like I do everything.  I blame it on SM,  It's hard to drag yourself away!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:46:51 PM
Looks like were the only ones here now.

Thanks for having my back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:47:26 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Finishing up the rehab L?  or still procratinating like I do everything.  I blame it on SM,  It's hard to drag yourself away!  :D


Went over all excited electricity back on...went in basement and saw it flooded..JUST PUT IN NEW SEWER!! so had to come back home to call sewer guy...trying NOT to get depressed...but one thing after another going wrong over there!! Going back at 5:30 to meet sewer guy and paint some more.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:47:55 PM
Well, it's time to go home from work now.  I will probably be back on later this evening.  So everybody have a nice afternoon and be safe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:48:33 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Looks like were the only ones here now.

Thanks for having my back!


anytime!! Did you see I posted footprints in Nones prayer section BEFORE I saw your post about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 04:49:15 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Well, it's time to go home from work now.  I will probably be back on later this evening.  So everybody have a nice afternoon and be safe.


You too...gonna grab a bite and head back over to mt new disaster!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Dihannah1 on July 27, 2006, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Finishing up the rehab L?  or still procratinating like I do everything.  I blame it on SM,  It's hard to drag yourself away!  :D


Went over all excited electricity back on...went in basement and saw it flooded..JUST PUT IN NEW SEWER!! so had to come back home to call sewer guy...trying NOT to get depressed...but one thing after another going wrong over there!! Going back at 5:30 to meet sewer guy and paint some more.


Oh no!  That sucks!  I hope things get better!   Don't let it get ya down.  Just like we were saying........  :)  See ya later and good luck!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 05:05:54 PM
Glad you saw the potatoes reference - None I couldn't resist!

My skinny pants are a size 12 (a small 12)  8) !  Don't be too impressed.

I am making shrimp skewers on Rosemary branches for dinner - it's all the rage on the food channel. and my new fav saffron orzo!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Glad you saw the potatoes reference - None I couldn't resist!

My skinny pants are a size 12 (a small 12)  8) !  Don't be too impressed.

I am making shrimp skewers on Rosemary branches for dinner - it's all the rage on the food channel. and my new fav saffron orzo!


12 is great!!! I am a few lbs from there myself!! WOOHOO!! Can't wait to get back in the 8's again!! It was only 3 years ago I wore them!! Keep going girl!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Glad you saw the potatoes reference - None I couldn't resist!

My skinny pants are a size 12 (a small 12)  8) !  Don't be too impressed.

I am making shrimp skewers on Rosemary branches for dinner - it's all the rage on the food channel. and my new fav saffron orzo!


12 is great!!! I am a few lbs from there myself!! WOOHOO!! Can't wait to get back in the 8's again!! It was only 3 years ago I wore them!! Keep going girl!!


I am almost in 12s for the first time since high school after losing over 40 pounds since February!  My goal is an 8 also but I don't remember ever wearing that size!
Sorry for the OT  :oops:  :oops:  but I am proud of myself  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 05:24:15 PM
12 is the size of the average american woman!

Not 00!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
Use hot peppers the Capsasion (sp) helps the metabolism!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 27, 2006, 05:26:08 PM
I am gonna book!

SYLBBFN!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 05:33:19 PM
Yikes everyone is losing weight..   Muscle Let's Get Physical! Physical...
Let's Get Physical! Physical... I was a really thin, scrawny guy for a large portion of my life. You know that "Before" kid in those Charles Atlas body building commercials who gets sand kicked in his face? That kid could've kicked my ass. I blame this all on an epsiode of "The Love Boat" I watched when I was young. In it, this totally hot woman was into some master-Rubik's-cube-solving skinny nerd because she loved brainy guys. I figured that all women would be like that; they'd be so enamored with brain that they'd fail to notice my neck could barely support the skull it was contained in. (On a side note, I'm also not sure why I thought women would be attracted to me for my mind given that I was stupid enough to get my relationship advice from episodes of The Love Boat).. Actually I used to eat raw eggs trying to gain weight then when I was in my 40's something happen.. So now I try to eat to excess only on the weekends and during the week just healthy stuff..  I have to admit that sometimes my weekend starts on Thursday and last until Monday.. :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 05:36:50 PM
Well I'm off to get something good to eat, umm some cheese cake.. Grrr! Hulk Smash!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Tess LaCoyle on July 27, 2006, 05:38:23 PM
.
Nonesy Girl !!!! Hope I'm not too late to join in wishing you a most Happy Birthday!  I hope the day has been as extraordinarily special as you are.....

Hugs and Smoochies....and still expecting miracles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 05:39:28 PM
Infants are kinda fascinating. You can almost see their little minds working, trying to make sense of the world around them, all the while thinking, "I wonder if I could eat that."  Umm that bug looks good and no one is looking..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 05:42:46 PM
I think one of the greatest days of my life was when I was doing one of those stupid team-building ropes courses comapnies send their employess to. It wasn't the exercise itself that affected me -- it was the fact that I was selected to be one of the anchor guys because I was one of the 'strong ones.' Okay, that's enough for now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 05:43:04 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Infants are kinda fascinating. You can almost see their little minds working, trying to make sense of the world around them, all the while thinking, "I wonder if I could eat that."  Umm that bug looks good and no one is looking..


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: this really makes me think of my adorable neice. thanks for making me smile!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Use hot peppers the Capsasion (sp) helps the metabolism!


I love hot peppers, hot sauce, hot anything!  I think it has helped too!  That and not eating lots of stuff I used to and a little exercise never hurts!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 05:45:26 PM
Maybe I'll put up some naked pictures of me later. But probably not. The Internet is no place for indecent photos.  I'm only kidding Klaasend, I just want to make sure everyone is awake..  I hope to start my weekend early so everyone have a good one and hopefully a safe one..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Maybe I'll put up some naked pictures of me later. But probably not. The Internet is no place for indecent photos.  I'm only kidding Klaasend, I just want to make sure everyone is awake..  I hope to start my weekend early so everyone have a good one and hopefully a safe one..
:shock:

LOL  Terry... good to have you back.  We all need a few chuckles every now and then.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Glad you saw the potatoes reference - None I couldn't resist!

My skinny pants are a size 12 (a small 12)  8) !  Don't be too impressed.

I am making shrimp skewers on Rosemary branches for dinner - it's all the rage on the food channel. and my new fav saffron orzo!


12 is great!!! I am a few lbs from there myself!! WOOHOO!! Can't wait to get back in the 8's again!! It was only 3 years ago I wore them!! Keep going girl!!


I am almost in 12s for the first time since high school after losing over 40 pounds since February!  My goal is an 8 also but I don't remember ever wearing that size!
Sorry for the OT  :oops:  :oops:  but I am proud of myself  :D  :D  :D


YOU GO GIRL!!! We can e-mail each other our skinny size 12 pics soon!! I was an 8 most of my life...then I hit 40...don't know what happened??!! haha Have gained 40 lbs in 3 1/2 years!! But half of it off...half to go!! Soon though I am never goona want to see a piece of chicken again!! haha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Appeals on July 27, 2006, 05:58:22 PM
Flashing by to say Happy Birthday to our Nonesuch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Appeals on July 27, 2006, 06:00:41 PM
Oh my, I didn't know that would be so big!  If I blew anybody's margins, please forgive me.  Sometimes I don't know how to contain my enthusiasm.  

And I see we all found our wardrobes.  Too cool.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 06:18:35 PM
I have been messing around with my avatar alot today so I am sorry if I goofed up the margins for anyone! :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 06:19:25 PM
This is for ldstlou to make her laugh, it been around a long time but its really funny..  

http://www.thatsrich.com/bricks.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 06:22:51 PM
Actually for anyone that likes to laugh just go to    

http://www.thatsrich.com  

its has some funny stuff..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
12 is the size of the average american woman!

Not 00!


hey don't ferget us shorties!  size 8/10 petites..... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Well I'm off to get something good to eat, umm some cheese cake.. Grrr! Hulk Smash!



aaawwww  terry....that's cruel!!  just cruel!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 27, 2006, 06:35:17 PM
JUDGE RICK SMID - THIS SAYS IT ALL

Merx gets away with suspended sentence


PHILIPSBURG--Former Chief Prosecutor Cor Merx was sentenced Wednesday to a suspended prison sentence of one year and will be banned from any job within the Prosecutor’s Office of the Netherlands Antilles or its legal successor for a period of five years. He was found guilty of forgery in an attempt to obtain the telephone records of his former girlfriend and her new lover.

This case against Merx started rolling in April 2005 after the Prosecutor’s Office obtained e-mail messages in which Merx falsely informed the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement that several persons, among them his ex-girlfriend, were suspects of a crime. He did so in a bid to obtain these persons’ travel plans.

Merx was found guilty of two of the four charges on the indictment. Judge Rick Smid considered the other charges not proven, despite Merx’s own statements in which he admitted having requested telephone records of his ex-girlfriend by using false documents. However, the judge was of the opinion that these statements were not sufficiently sustained by other proof.
Judge Smid rejected all other elements in the plea of attorney-at-law Jairo Bloem. A main point in Merx’s defence was the alleged promise of the Prosecutor’s Office that he would not be prosecuted after his departure for the Netherlands. After hearing several witnesses “there is not even a beginning of credibility” that explicit promises were ever made that Merx would not be prosecuted for any crimes, the judge indicated in his ruling.

He further indicated that Merx had had a fair trial and that the defendant’s rights had not been violated in any way. He also dismissed Bloem’s statement that the proof in this case had been obtained illegally.

Bloem had stated that Prosecutor Taco Stein had requested documents from telephone company TelEm prior to his inauguration on December 15, 2005. Stein was therefore not authorised to obtain said documents, which therefore should be considered illegitimate, Bloem said.

The investigation in Merx’s case was led by Prosecutor Walter Tielkemeijer in Curaçao, who had requested said information over the phone. Stein had merely confirmed these requests in writing, the judge stated in his ruling. He saw no reason to disregard proof that would have been obtained via these documents.

Judge Smid concluded that Merx, driven by jealousy and in a difficult period in his life, had seriously misused his authority as a prosecutor. He considered a substantial prison sentence to be appropriate, but also took into consideration Merx’s age and career as a prosecutor, as well as the fact that Merx had already been punished by the publicity about his case. His arrest and incarceration must have weighed heavily on him, according to the judge.
Bloem said he was pleased with the outcome of the trial. “My client has been acquitted of two of four forgery charges. The initial charges of threatening with a firearm and making misuse of his office have been dropped altogether.”

Bloem indicated that in his eyes his client should have been fully acquitted. “The proof in the other cases was obtained illegally, because in my eyes Prosecutor Stein was not yet authorised to carry out these investigations. I really think the judge made a mistake,” said Bloem. He added that Merx was considering a possible appeal.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/j054/Merx054.html

No wonder Smid let Joran, Deepak & Satish out of prison in September.  Then Smid was one of the 3 judge panel that took the case on appeal and freed them with prejudice.  (they needed a unanimous decision of all 3 judges).  He probably thought since Joran was the son of Paulus. his friend and fellow attorney/ (failed) judge, that 3 months served & all the publicity was enough punishment for what they did to Natalee.

Judge Rick Smid, just what kind of a judge are you?


BTW - I apologize if this has been posted already.  My connection to the internet isn't letting me read all the threads anymore.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:37:09 PM
There's a very interesting post on the FP....# 26 under the evidence post....I can't seen to highligh  it and copy it here....would someone try please.....thanks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:38:24 PM
Red wrote:
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


More disappearances:


PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.

You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.

And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:40:48 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
JUDGE RICK SMID - THIS SAYS IT ALL

Merx gets away with suspended sentence



http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/j054/Merx054.html

No wonder Smid let Joran, Deepak & Satish out of prison in September.  Then Smid was one of the 3 judge panel that took the case on appeal and freed them with prejudice.  (they needed a unanimous decision of all 3 judges).  He probably thought since Joran was the son of Paulus. his friend and fellow attorney/ (failed) judge, that 3 months served & all the publicity was enough punishment for what they did to Natalee.

Judge Rick Smid, just what kind of a judge are you?


BTW - I apologize if this has been posted already.  My connection to the internet isn't letting me read all the threads anymore.  :(


Hi SunF....this is a new one for me...thanks for psoting....What kinda judge is he....CROOKED!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
There's a very interesting post on the FP....# 26 under the evidence post....I can't seen to highligh  it and copy it here....would someone try please.....thanks

I don't think you can "copy and paste" from that type of webpage -- but also look at posts #57 & #58.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 06:49:59 PM
sorry - blew the margins with my cut/paste


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
There's a very interesting post on the FP....# 26 under the evidence post....I can't seen to highligh  it and copy it here....would someone try please.....thanks

I don't think you can "copy and paste" from that type of webpage -- but also look at posts #57 & #58.


Yes wreck......very interesting indeed.....I hadn't gotten that far, thanks for pointing me to it....darn it I wish we could get those posts over here!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 06:54:06 PM
New Front Page Post

Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act Signed into Law


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-signed-into-law/

This is all about children. It tells children in our country that they are precious and are cared about — even though they don’t have any money, or vote or lobby — that we will take care of them.” (Reve Walsh)

full story at Missing & Exploited.

http://missingexploited.com/2006/07/27/president-george-w-bush-signs-the-adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-into-law/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Beans you are terrific!!!!  How did you do that?  I'd love to talk with Grande more....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 06:57:12 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post

Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act Signed into Law


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-signed-into-law/

This is all about children. It tells children in our country that they are precious and are cared about — even though they don’t have any money, or vote or lobby — that we will take care of them.” (Reve Walsh)

full story at Missing & Exploited.

http://missingexploited.com/2006/07/27/president-george-w-bush-signs-the-adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-into-law/


Thanks Red I was just watching the evening news about this!!  Finally...it only took 25years!  Amazing!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 06:58:06 PM
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:01:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.


I think if we keep the pressure on... it will eventually make something happen!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ala_gunslinger on July 27, 2006, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Good evenin ya'll!!!

Just one question about this.....

Anybody got the 'locals' posts for this time frame??????
If so, lets disect em!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Tylergal on July 27, 2006, 07:09:45 PM
HAPPY THURSDAY BIRTHDAY, NONESUCH.

http://tinypic.com/211pclu.jpg

Monday's child is fair of face.
Tuesday's child is full of grace.
Wednesday's child is full of woe.
Thursday's child has far to go.
Friday's child is loving and giving.
Saturday's child works hard for his living.
The child that is born on the Sabbath day is bonny and blythe and good and gay.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 07:13:42 PM
Gunslinger that's a great idea....


does anyone have that info??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
This is for ldstlou to make her laugh, it been around a long time but its really funny..  

http://www.thatsrich.com/bricks.htm


Oh my gosh THANK YOU!! Laughing so hard I have tears rolling down my face...the worse part is...It REALLY sounds like something that would happen to me!!! LOL
I know I shouldn't complain..we have seen so many sad stories..but this rehab project is starting to get the best of my enthusiasm!!! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:25:20 PM
Quote
The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.


Do we have any of these posts saved?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.


I think if we keep the pressure on... it will eventually make something happen!


I think so to Mrs Red and that is why I am here everyday making my presence known and keeping the pressure on.  As long as I live I will never forget Natalee and this terrible crime that needs to be solved...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ala_gunslinger on July 27, 2006, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Gunslinger that's a great idea....


does anyone have that info??


Well thank you Mrs. Red!  I get one occasionally, and this time, it didn't even hurt!!!   lol!

Hopefully they are on a backup tape somewhere....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Beans you are terrific!!!!  How did you do that?  I'd love to talk with Grande more....


SOrry Sunny... I left to attend to dinner... lol

Just your basic cut/paste... no miracle here!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 07:33:25 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
There's a very interesting post on the FP....# 26 under the evidence post....I can't seen to highligh  it and copy it here....would someone try please.....thanks

I don't think you can "copy and paste" from that type of webpage -- but also look at posts #57 & #58.


Yes wreck......very interesting indeed.....I hadn't gotten that far, thanks for pointing me to it....darn it I wish we could get those posts over here!!


Am I missing something?  Grande and driving mis daisy are only stating things that have been posted here already.... :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 07:34:41 PM
Hi Monkeys!  I'm home!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 07:36:19 PM
Ask and ye shall receive.  LOL  Here are #57 and 58 from our pretty driving miss daisy.  


#

Freddy, Shango is being revealed. FP posters are figuring it out. You were warned about the NL connections. They talk. The Dutch talk. New York belonged to the Dutch. It is American now as apple pie. Dutch were not very wise then nor now.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:30 pm
#

Freddy, we know you are the musician. Your brother is the musician. We know about your connections in Florida, in New York, New Jersey and abroad. Your videos are all over the web. FBI is figuring it out. Talk now or forever be convicted.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:32 pm 8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 07:38:35 PM
Again, the info was posted here, read by FP'ers...nothing new, imo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Hi Monkeys!  I'm home!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Hi Katz
Do the nails look great or what??
So are you a wheel spinner at the roulette table??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 07:39:59 PM
Good evening monkey folks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:41:51 PM
Quote from: "ala_gunslinger"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Gunslinger that's a great idea....


does anyone have that info??


Well thank you Mrs. Red!  I get one occasionally, and this time, it didn't even hurt!!!   lol!

Hopefully they are on a backup tape somewhere....


oops...posted my request before I saw yours...at least we are on the same page!! lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 07:42:59 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Bon soir, Madam Angie..(or is that good night?)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Good Evening Ang!! Nice to catch you in the cage tonight!  I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes but this FP stuff is interesting!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11...  and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two...  She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him...  She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:44:36 PM
Quote
Freddy, we know you are the musician. Your brother is the musician. We know about your connections in Florida, in New York, New Jersey and abroad. Your videos are all over the web. FBI is figuring it out. Talk now or forever be convicted.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:32 pm  


there's gotta be a way to find the videos...but who wants to go into that ugly world of porn to search..NOT ME!!
_________________


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
LaLa's hold on a minute and I'll post your avatar url for you


Klass  sorry to be a pia but could u post my nurse monkey avatar i promise to copy it down for good this time thanks sandy leiva


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Bon soir, Madam Angie..(or is that good night?)  :lol:


Hey you~!!  LOL   me thinks Bonjour means hello  LOL  You were close chicky poo~!!!!!!!!!!  :)   How you be?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:46:41 PM
Quote
My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11... and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two... She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him... She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


Oh my gosh Katz that is a gutwrenching story!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 07:46:54 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Good Evening Ang!! Nice to catch you in the cage tonight!  I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes but this FP stuff is interesting!


Now if we had the time line fo Shizrazu.... and the fp post by grande... and then add driving miss daisy's etc... maybe we could come up with a more definative scenario...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Good Evening Ang!! Nice to catch you in the cage tonight!  I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes but this FP stuff is interesting!



 Hi Sweety.. its nice to see you too.. I miss yah! (Throw me an email sometime!! :)  I need to read the FP.. I am very behind.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Good Evening Ang!! Nice to catch you in the cage tonight!  I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes but this FP stuff is interesting!


Now if we had the time line fo Shizrazu.... and the fp post by grande... and then add driving miss daisy's etc... maybe we could come up with a more definative scenario...


ok leaving a minute to read fp..sounds interesting!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:48:42 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11...  and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two...  She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him...  She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


 :cry:  :cry:  :cry: Katz that story is SO sad! I will never forget that day and the sadness I felt for the senseless loss of human life.  I had a friend who worked two blocks away and I was so glad when we finally heard from him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 07:48:46 PM
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11...  and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two...  She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him...  She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


Katz.. so sorry to hear that... :(    Never forget that day as long as I live.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Good Evening Ang!! Nice to catch you in the cage tonight!  I'll be leaving in about 10 minutes but this FP stuff is interesting!


Now if we had the time line fo Shizrazu.... and the fp post by grande... and then add driving miss daisy's etc... maybe we could come up with a more definative scenario...


ok leaving a minute to read fp..sounds interesting!!


I agree Mrs Red... I really hope this case can be solved and those responsible can finally pay the price!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

***  Interesting until Oduber got word!!!  I remember sitting watching Fox when it was reported....so sad that Natalee was gone, but relieved she had been found.  

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.****  This has always been my belief as well!

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.  ****  Does anyone have any of these posts saved?  Or did anyone see them??

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.****  I love for Grande to elaborate on this...

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.



Hi hubbylove...yes this is a front page psot TODAY....which I find very interesting.....someone wants to talk to us IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


  :(    How heartbreaking. Prayers sent to her family and friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.


I think if we keep the pressure on... it will eventually make something happen!


I think so to Mrs Red and that is why I am here everyday making my presence known and keeping the pressure on.  As long as I live I will never forget Natalee and this terrible crime that needs to be solved...


You speak for many of us here and all over the country.....we will never give up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 07:54:17 PM
Mrs. Red - if you are around, could you ask Red to check his email please?  I sent him something for review.  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
WoW... thanks for bringing that in here Beaners for Sunny!!


was this posted on the FP today?
very interesting.  i am sure there are people on that island who know exactly what happened and i really just wish the truth would come out.



Hi hubbylove...yes this is a front page psot TODAY....which I find very interesting.....someone wants to talk to us IMO


I agree Sunny and I really hope that someone will finally break this unbearable silence and let the truth come out!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Got it Sunny.  Interesting.

After being questioned once, J2K were picked up @ 6am on June 9th. Shortly there after sometime that evening JORAN CONFESSED and was allegedly taking Polis to the ‘body’. The local Aruba stations were reporting the confession, until PM Oduber got word.

From that point on the cover-up ensued. The evidence in my opinion has been destroyed.

I do not believe the murder was pre-meditated as some may suggest, HOWEVER it seems obvious the kidnapping and sexual crimes that followed were planned in advance.

‘Last night tourists’ were commonly targeted at CnC’s according to this statement from a women whom resided in Aruba during the initial investigation >http://i7.tinypic.com/214nspz.jpg

The June 9th confession and leak to the AP, CNN and local Aruban radio stations was the turning point in the investigation in my opinion.

There was an enormous amount of internet traffic shortly after the news was released. It seems that some locals in Aruba momentarily let there guard down and posted some detailed accounts and theories, some of which certainly justify an explanation.

Based on some of the initial statements leaked on air, along with various internet postings, I have reason to believe Natalee’s body may have been recovered in the morning hours of June 10th from the Canashito area in Aruba.

It was reported that Joran was indeed not in his cell following the alleged confession during the time he was to lead investigators to the ‘body’. Apparently this came from a ‘reliable source’. It was also reported that there was a white van near Canashito with suspicious activity.

I am interested to know if anyone has further details regarding a white van near Canashito on the evening of June 9th. Also if anyone else can expand on the other details or discount them I would be grateful in any event.

Grande

Comment by grande | July 27, 2006, 3:00 pm


Beans you are terrific!!!!  How did you do that?  I'd love to talk with Grande more....


SOrry Sunny... I left to attend to dinner... lol

Just your basic cut/paste... no miracle here!   :lol:


hey, Bean,....I left for dinner too!!  Again thanks to you....I couldn't highlight it to copy and paste....of course I am a computer idiot! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 07:56:26 PM
No problem Sunny... watching Big Brother... will be in later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: hubbylove on July 27, 2006, 07:57:15 PM
Well it is finally quitting time so I am out of here.  I really hope these posts can lead us somewhere othern than a frustrating dead end.  Whoever know something, SPEAK UP!!

Have a good night everyone and I'll check in tomorrow and keep on keeping on!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
There's a very interesting post on the FP....# 26 under the evidence post....I can't seen to highligh  it and copy it here....would someone try please.....thanks

I don't think you can "copy and paste" from that type of webpage -- but also look at posts #57 & #58.


Yes wreck......very interesting indeed.....I hadn't gotten that far, thanks for pointing me to it....darn it I wish we could get those posts over here!!


Am I missing something?  Grande and driving mis daisy are only stating things that have been posted here already.... :!:


I think that this post from grand today is important......and driving missdaisy's post are bringing back to light some things we may have forgotten....there are many things that have been posted that many of us have forgotten ....just bringing them back to the surface with the information we now have ...might make better sense now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Ask and ye shall receive.  LOL  Here are #57 and 58 from our pretty driving miss daisy.  


#

Freddy, Shango is being revealed. FP posters are figuring it out. You were warned about the NL connections. They talk. The Dutch talk. New York belonged to the Dutch. It is American now as apple pie. Dutch were not very wise then nor now.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:30 pm
#

Freddy, we know you are the musician. Your brother is the musician. We know about your connections in Florida, in New York, New Jersey and abroad. Your videos are all over the web. FBI is figuring it out. Talk now or forever be convicted.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:32 pm 8)  8)


Again Bean thank you....Go Miss Daisy!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Hi Ang!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
Freddy, we know you are the musician. Your brother is the musician. We know about your connections in Florida, in New York, New Jersey and abroad. Your videos are all over the web. FBI is figuring it out. Talk now or forever be convicted.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:32 pm  


there's gotta be a way to find the videos...but who wants to go into that ugly world of porn to search..NOT ME!!
_________________


Hi L!  Me neither.................I wouldn't even know how to go about it...but we have some VERY SMART monkeys here who do....so don't be surprised when they pop up :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 08:04:09 PM
Angie, I'm not going to argue French vocabulary with ya...you did say good evening, not hello, sooooo bonsoir was right, AND, I'm okay...hearing some thunder.

Jacquie, thanks fo rthe Jennifer Moore update.  So horrible.

Klassend, Grande & driving miss daisy's FP posts didn't have any New news IMO....most of what they posted was already said here....(yes, I've said this now 3 times, but I wanted someone to agree ot straighten me out)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Hi Ang!


  HI  Sunny!!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Angie, I'm not going to argue French vocabulary with ya...you did say good evening, not hello, sooooo bonsoir was right, AND, I'm okay...hearing some thunder.

Jacquie, thanks fo rthe Jennifer Moore update.  So horrible.

Klassend, Grande & driving miss daisy's FP posts didn't have any New news IMO....most of what they posted was already said here....(yes, I've said this now 3 times, but I wanted someone to agree ot straighten me out)


I know, this is so tragic.  I saw on the news a picture of this big galoop....He has been out on parole for about 3 months I believe.  The lummox used this poor girls cell phone to call his mom and then I think he called his girlfriend, and she tipped off the police.

He was a pimp.

Shocker.... :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 08:06:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - if you are around, could you ask Red to check his email please?  I sent him something for review.  TIA


will do...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


Hi Jacque....how many more young women will have to die until our judicial system gets tough with these criminals. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Angie, I'm not going to argue French vocabulary with ya...you did say good evening, not hello, sooooo bonsoir was right, AND, I'm okay...hearing some thunder.

Jacquie, thanks fo rthe Jennifer Moore update.  So horrible.

Klassend, Grande & driving miss daisy's FP posts didn't have any New news IMO....most of what they posted was already said here....(yes, I've said this now 3 times, but I wanted someone to agree ot straighten me out)



  LOL~!!  I ben put of school a longggggggg time~!!  :)
It stormed here earlier 2nJ..  Thunder.. heavy rain and some lightning.. it didnt last very long though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 27, 2006, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
Freddy, we know you are the musician. Your brother is the musician. We know about your connections in Florida, in New York, New Jersey and abroad. Your videos are all over the web. FBI is figuring it out. Talk now or forever be convicted.

Comment by driving miss daisy | July 27, 2006, 5:32 pm  


there's gotta be a way to find the videos...but who wants to go into that ugly world of porn to search..NOT ME!!
_________________


Hi L!  Me neither.................I wouldn't even know how to go about it...but we have some VERY SMART monkeys here who do....so don't be surprised when they pop up :wink:


glad to know someone is working on them...saying a prayer for them now!! lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


Hi Jacque....how many more young women will have to die until our judicial system gets tough with these criminals. :cry:


Agreed, and it must be awfully tough on the police who work so hard to nab these criminals, only to find them on the street a few years down the road.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:11:05 PM
Wow it's windy as the dickens all of a sudden here....

Is a storm a brewin????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


Hi Jacque....how many more young women will have to die until our judicial system gets tough with these criminals. :cry:


Agreed, and it must be awfully tough on the police who work so hard to nab these criminals, only to find them on the street a few years down the road.


You are so right there...we have friends who are or have been detectives...some of the stories would make the hair on your back stand up and salute.....and don't ever ask them what they think about plea bargaining!! :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:14:57 PM
Klaas thanks for giving me the TWINS back!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


Hi Jacque....how many more young women will have to die until our judicial system gets tough with these criminals. :cry:


Agreed, and it must be awfully tough on the police who work so hard to nab these criminals, only to find them on the street a few years down the road.


You are so right there...we have friends who are or have been detectives...some of the stories would make the hair on your back stand up and salute.....and don't ever ask them what they think about plea bargaining!! :shock:  :shock:


My dad was a detective and my uncle and cousin in LE too.

Believe me....I agree with you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 08:19:19 PM
Klaas...

Do you have a jpg or gif of my sweaty man avi ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:21:59 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"


You are so right there...we have friends who are or have been detectives...some of the stories would make the hair on your back stand up and salute.....and don't ever ask them what they think about plea bargaining!! :shock:  :shock:


My dad was a detective and my uncle and cousin in LE too.

Believe me....I agree with you!


It's amazing when one thinks about all the time and self many law enforcement devote to a case here in the USA......it's such a damn shame that the LE in Aruba didn't do the same to bring justice for Natalee....no!!  they have to eat their damn frosted flakes and try to extort money from the family...just makes me sooooo angry!!!  Every time I see frosted flakes in the grocery I want to grab the box and fling it across the aisle and then run and stomp on it!! :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
[quote="Jacqueline
It's amazing when one thinks about all the time and self many law enforcement devote to a case here in the USA......it's such a damn shame that the LE in Aruba didn't do the same to bring justice for Natalee....no!!  they have to eat their damn frosted flakes and try to extort money from the family...just makes me sooooo angry!!!  Every time I see frosted flakes in the grocery I want to grab the box and fling it across the aisle and then run and stomp on it!! :shock:  :shock:


There is no comparision with Them and US.

My dad worked the John List Case in 1971 and he really made a clean getaway.

After almost 20 years of never letting the case go in conjunction with John Walsh and America's most wanted they finally got him.

Cold case yes....impossible ....nope.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 08:27:39 PM
Jacquie & Sunny, MY FIL was a chief, BIL, a detective, and have many friends in LE in several local townships.  I just know they'd agree with both of you.  The lummux, as described, is no surprise, either Jacquie.  ~Dope used her cell phone~  :roll: I'm glad he's a dope, because he made it easy for them to nail him & murder charges.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 08:28:33 PM
hey NJMOM... I tend to agree with Sunny ... with so much that has been talked about it's always good to remember stuff...there has been so much information put out... we need to keep sifting... until the truth rises to the top...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
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ORANJESTAD (AAN): E caso serio aki a socede algun dia pasa.  Ta parce cu muchanan ta cu vakantie, pero mas bien ta buscando cosnan malo pa haci.

   Pero loke a socede poco dia pasa, mas bien tin di worde considera como un crimen castigable, y hasta condenable.

   Un mucha muher inocente di 16 aña di edad, a worde viola na su mesun cas!  Esaki a socede na man di algun di su klasgenootnan di su propio school.

   E violacion aki por worde considera como uno “carnal anterior y posterior”.  E grupo di mucha homber cu a haci esaki, aparentemente ta di mesun edad y e acto aki tabata uno forzoso!

   Loke mas ta haci e caso bira uno severo, ta e hecho cu e mucha hombernan aki a haci uso di nan celular cu camera pa saca potret di e acto di violacion.

   Awor e fotonan aki, ta circulando via mensahenan di MMS pa otro celularnan di muchanan e school ey.

   Famia di e mucha muher a haya sa di e caso aki, y te ainda no por compronde di con nan a opta pa NO haci denuncia na autoridad di e caso di violacion aki.  Kizas e famia no kier pa Polis haya sa di dje, pa e caso no bira ‘publico’, pa kizas preserva y proteha e identidad di e mucha muher, pa nan no señale mañan como un muher marca door di violacion.

   Sinembargo, tin di corda cu ya caba e mucha muher aki ta marca pa e acto violento aki.  E ta bay keda cu un trauma psicologico, cu mester worde trata profesionalmente.  E por haya e yudanza aki, ora di haci denuncia na e instancia hudicial corecto na Aruba.

   E potretnan via MMS a sigui circula mas y mas, te cu awor pa colmo e famia a dicidi cu e mucha muher no ta bay school mas e siguiente aña escolar cu ta start na Augustus, y mas bien nan ta buscando forma pa e mucha muher worde saca di Aruba y bay biba cerca famianan den exterior.

   DIARIO ta opina cu e caso serio di violacion aki, cueste loke cueste tin di worde denuncia!  Pesey un suplica fuerte ta bay na e famia di e mucha muher aki, pa nan acudi directamente na Kinder- en Zedenpolitie pa denuncia e caso aki, pa asina boso por keda mantene e anonimato, y proteha e mucha.  Di e forma aki, autoridad por cuminza actua y detene e violadornan aki, pa nan responde pa e actonan criminal aki.

   Di otro banda, mester cuminza check kico ta pasando cu hobennan e dianan aki.  Vakantie ta aden, y autoridad ta hayando nan mes cu hopi hoben problematico den diferente bario.  Mayornan mester ta pendiente di nan yiunan pa sa ki amistad nan tin.  Gobierno tambe mester cuminza di mustra su preocupacion pa e forma con cierto hobennan ta actuando e dianan aki.

   Por ehemplo, Diaranzon madruga mes un grupo grandi di hoben a dicidi na teroriza full bario di Cas Paloma.  Polis mester a bay pa e muchanan aki, y stop nan di sigui comete teror.  Gobierno no tin nada sano pa nan haci?   Mayornan sa unda nan yiu ta?  Gobierno por inventa un bon curso durante vakantie, pa siña haci algo den vakantie.

   Diamars anochi tambe, Polis a bay stop un grupo di mucha cu anochi laat a tende un fiesta “banda di highway” na Boegoeroei.  Te ora cu Polis a yega, e muchanan aki sinta na un T-weg porfin a baha na awa y desaparece.

   Ademas di esaki, un suplica ta bay na e hobennan cu ta circulando e potretnan aki di formato “JPG” via sistema di MMS di celular, pa nan stop di haci esey como cu nan tambe lo por bira complice di e crimen aki.  Watch out!

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translation todays diario aruba front page

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates:
word has come to the paper that a group of males student aged from the same school as the victem had been loitering around .

this crime is considered to be punishable and condemming by law.
 thee innocent 16 yr old Virgen was accosted by many from within her own class and school.
This was a forced act of violence agaisnt this child and she was raped anally and vaginally.
What makes this crime more sickening is that many of the male students used thier cameras on thier cellphones to record the act.
By midday the photos were circulated to other males via cellphones.
The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.
the photos continue to be distributed via MMS now more than ever diario has found out.
The family upon learning this has decided the girl will not return to school in august and instead they are looking to send her off the island with other family abroad.
Diario is supplicating to the family to protect the girl and press charges annonymously so that these group will not get away with this crime so that they may be brought to justice and not have a chance to do this to another female.
The author of the article states he cannot believe what is happening to the islands youth today.  He says the goverment and the judicial branches of Arube must take a firm stance against this behavior, and prosecute these thugs.
In another case he sites that a roaming group of youngsters have terrorised an entire area in Cas Palamos.  In that case polis did nothing to disband this disruptive group of young males.
In yet another case last night polis did stop a group of youngsters who were out of control after leaving a concert for the band called of the highway in area of Boegoereio. while awaiting the arrival of more polis to the scene the youths scattered in different direction.
 Diario is asking that the photos circulating in JPG form via MMs cellul;ar co be removed from airwaves.If not they risk falling as accomplices to the actions of these rapists.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
[quote="Jacqueline
It's amazing when one thinks about all the time and self many law enforcement devote to a case here in the USA......it's such a damn shame that the LE in Aruba didn't do the same to bring justice for Natalee....no!!  they have to eat their damn frosted flakes and try to extort money from the family...just makes me sooooo angry!!!  Every time I see frosted flakes in the grocery I want to grab the box and fling it across the aisle and then run and stomp on it!! :shock:  :shock:


There is no comparision with Them and US.

My dad worked the John List Case in 1971 and he really made a clean getaway.

After almost 20 years of never letting the case go in conjunction with John Walsh and America's most wanted they finally got him.

Cold case yes....impossible ....nope.


WOW!  I remember that so well....one sick man for sure!!!  I was so amazed he was caught.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
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That sob hes back to buisness as usual. Disgusting


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey NJMOM... I tend to agree with Sunny ... with so much that has been talked about it's always good to remember stuff...there has been so much information put out... we need to keep sifting... until the truth rises to the top...


I saw that Sunny responded, prbably while I was posting earlier.  Thought the FP posts were being perceived as new info, that's all.  It was not long ago posted here.  In fact, I know tylergal posted the info that driving miss daisy wrote up.  I'm fine with repeating and sifting etc...and I do not claim to remember all, by any means.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

translation todays diario aruba front page

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates:
word has come to the paper that a group of males student aged from the same school as the victem had been loitering around .

this crime is considered to be punishable and condemming by law.
 thee innocent 16 yr old Virgen was accosted by many from within her own class and school.
This was a forced act of violence agaisnt this child and she was raped anally and vaginally.
What makes this crime more sickening is that many of the male students used thier cameras on thier cellphones to record the act.
By midday the photos were circulated to other males via cellphones.
The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.
the photos continue to be distributed via MMS now more than ever diario has found out.
The family upon learning this has decided the girl will not return to school in august and instead they are looking to send her off the island with other family abroad.
Diario is supplicating to the family to protect the girl and press charges annonymously so that these group will not get away with this crime so that they may be brought to justice and not have a chance to do this to another female.
The author of the article states he cannot believe what is happening to the islands youth today.  He says the goverment and the judicial branches of Arube must take a firm stance against this behavior, and prosecute these thugs.
In another case he sites that a roaming group of youngsters have terrorised an entire area in Cas Palamos.  In that case polis did nothing to disband this disruptive group of young males.
In yet another case last night polis did stop a group of youngsters who were out of control after leaving a concert for the band called of the highway in area of Boegoereio. while awaiting the arrival of more polis to the scene the youths scattered in different direction.
 Diario is asking that the photos circulating in JPG form via MMs cellul;ar co be removed from airwaves.If not they risk falling as accomplices to the actions of these rapists.

Best ranslation I could do.  Sandy Leiva

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 Sandy thanks for the translation......I am appalled!  that poor child.....I hope her parents will file charges and HOPE and PRAY the ALE will SO SOMETHING!!!  We have 'known' this crap goes on on this devil island.....now it's right in their face!!!!
 
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:36:38 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
[quote="Jacqueline
It's amazing when one thinks about all the time and self many law enforcement devote to a case here in the USA......it's such a damn shame that the LE in Aruba didn't do the same to bring justice for Natalee....no!!  they have to eat their damn frosted flakes and try to extort money from the family...just makes me sooooo angry!!!  Every time I see frosted flakes in the grocery I want to grab the box and fling it across the aisle and then run and stomp on it!! :shock:  :shock:


There is no comparision with Them and US.

My dad worked the John List Case in 1971 and he really made a clean getaway.

After almost 20 years of never letting the case go in conjunction with John Walsh and America's most wanted they finally got him.

Cold case yes....impossible ....nope.


WOW!  I remember that so well....one sick man for sure!!!  I was so amazed he was caught.....


That was a glorious day.
Although I did not know the family it was too close for comfort for a little kid that is for sure.

My brother went to school with List's sons....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 08:36:49 PM
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


Way too familiar.....right down to the cell phones and others standing around taking pictures....those pictures are out there some where....some sicko kept them.....uuummmmmm Charles Croes KNOWS!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


so it's been proven over and over again.... the island is full of gangs of "boys" running wild and raping women.... and taking pictures.......


yes it does sound familiar... and I personally think that we are onto something...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 08:40:25 PM
SandyLevia..  Ty  very much for the translation...
How disgusting... :(   Sighhhhhhhhhhh...


JACKIE.. stormed here earlier? Maybe ours is headed to NJ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 08:40:36 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Angie, I'm not going to argue French vocabulary with ya...you did say good evening, not hello, sooooo bonsoir was right, AND, I'm okay...hearing some thunder.

Jacquie, thanks fo rthe Jennifer Moore update.  So horrible.

Klassend, Grande & driving miss daisy's FP posts didn't have any New news IMO....most of what they posted was already said here....(yes, I've said this now 3 times, but I wanted someone to agree ot straighten me out)


Yes, I agree most of what Grande and Daisy are saying has been said here in the forum before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:41:49 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


so it's been proven over and over again.... the island is full of gangs of "boys" running wild and raping women.... and taking pictures.......


yes it does sound familiar... and I personally think that we are onto something...


Yes, and in light of the fact that the three amigoes pretty much got away with murder...

well what kind of message does that send to the other boys on the island...

Ya can pretty do much about anything around here....

and not pay for it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
SandyLevia..  Ty  very much for the translation...
How disgusting... :(   Sighhhhhhhhhhh...


JACKIE.. stormed here earlier? Maybe ours is headed to NJ?


Yowza...now it's thunder and lightening....

But no rain....

Yet..... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas...

Do you have a jpg or gif of my sweaty man avi ?


Sorry, I don't have it. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:44:52 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey NJMOM... I tend to agree with Sunny ... with so much that has been talked about it's always good to remember stuff...there has been so much information put out... we need to keep sifting... until the truth rises to the top...


I agree Mrs. Red.....someplace in all the information we have is a clue.....we have to dig for it...just one thing that could bring this to a conclusion


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
SandyLevia..  Ty  very much for the translation...
How disgusting... :(   Sighhhhhhhhhhh...


JACKIE.. stormed here earlier? Maybe ours is headed to NJ?


Yowza...now it's thunder and lightening....

But no rain....

Yet..... :wink:


 Did that here as well.. then a downpour.. then stopped. It didn't last long at all. !!  Actually cooled off some too.. it was SO humid today.. took a persons breath away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 08:47:24 PM
Sandy - thank you so much for that translation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
hey NJMOM... I tend to agree with Sunny ... with so much that has been talked about it's always good to remember stuff...there has been so much information put out... we need to keep sifting... until the truth rises to the top...


I agree Mrs. Red.....someplace in all the information we have is a clue.....we have to dig for it...just one thing that could bring this to a conclusion


I hate to be a Debbie Downer here....

but they could have solved this and chose not to.

I'm not saying that all hope is lost....Never say never....

But they dismissed evidence as being rubbish and tossed out a confession and they just don't want this solved.

C O V E R U P.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


Way too familiar.....right down to the cell phones and others standing around taking pictures....those pictures are out there some where....some sicko kept them.....uuummmmmm Charles Croes KNOWS!!!!


and since tacky joe is a mob atty ... I have to wonder about posner's involvement..... isn't porn a mob thing??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 08:49:22 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Hi Monkeys!  I'm home!

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Hi Katz
Do the nails look great or what??
So are you a wheel spinner at the roulette table??


 :oops:   Hi Hubby ~ sorry ~ I just caught up now...

I usually deal Pai Gow Poker ~ it's a slow moving game where I can hang out and BS with the customers to my hearts content...  and dance when a good song comes on....   :lol:

Or 3-Card Poker ~ or 4-Card ~ or any of the other poker games in the 21 Pit....  Those games are another place where they put the dealers who talk ~ because hey ~ if the house is going to hand out good money in pay-offs ~ at least there should be a dealer who can make tips at the game...

Yeah ~ I deal the wheel too ~ and blackjack (21 we call it) if I have too ~ but, unless I'm dealing out of a shoe ~ that's too much like work...

I deal Baccarat too ~ but I hate the game and keep forgetting how to deal it... :lol:   and they need real sharp baccarat dealers where I work because we get a lot of heavy action...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening monkey folks.


Hi Angie!

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
GOODMORNING ALL - HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONESUCHE !

JORAN and his friend Aline, 7/26/06 Lady's Night at Iguana Joes:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranAline072606.gif)

JORAN and KOEN, 7/26/06 Lady's Night at Iguana Joes:


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The Blond chick must have left the island






That sob hes back to buisness as usual. Disgusting


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 08:53:14 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote
My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11... and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two... She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him... She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


Oh my gosh Katz that is a gutwrenching story!!


Yeah...  every year when I cry, it's my aunt Marie who I'm thinking of... I just can't imagine pain like that, ldstlou...

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"


That was a glorious day.
Although I did not know the family it was too close for comfort for a little kid that is for sure.

My brother went to school with List's sons....


Oh mercy...was he affected by the murders????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"


That was a glorious day.
Although I did not know the family it was too close for comfort for a little kid that is for sure.

My brother went to school with List's sons....


Oh mercy...was he affected by the murders????


No, not really.

But I think I was....

At least in the sense that At a very young age I realized really bad things could happen....right in your own town.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11...  and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two...  She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him...  She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


 :cry:  :cry:  :cry: Katz that story is SO sad! I will never forget that day and the sadness I felt for the senseless loss of human life.  I had a friend who worked two blocks away and I was so glad when we finally heard from him...


I can imagine how relieved you felt, Hubby!  {{{hugs}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 08:57:52 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jacqueline111/debbiedowner.jpg)

Mrs Red....This one's for you!  LOL...

My sistah in arms, and lover of SNL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


so it's been proven over and over again.... the island is full of gangs of "boys" running wild and raping women.... and taking pictures.......


yes it does sound familiar... and I personally think that we are onto something...


Yes, and in light of the fact that the three amigoes pretty much got away with murder...

well what kind of message does that send to the other boys on the island...

Ya can pretty do much about anything around here....

and not pay for it.


ABSOLUTELY Jacque......these 3 amigos are their heros!!  SICK just sick!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


past drug charges....  robbery and assault....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sandy - thank you so much for that translation.


hih fellow monkeys
   Is this the sickest thing you continue to hear from this island.  This must have been happening for quite some time not just this yr or last.  This behavior is now ingrained in the youth over there as being ok .  They must think if others have gotton away with it so will we.  why not Joran and Pvds did.  sickening.  I wish a volcanic buble would burn upon these purps and burn off thier u know whats.  Sorry just the way i feel when innocent females are treated in that fashion.  We have heard way too much of this forom that island.  I pray the NY judge will consider all these occurences on the island and vote favor for the HOlloway Twittys. Is there anyway to clip these articles and foward them to the judges.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 08:59:35 PM
KatzHome,

I once gambled a little bit, and won 40 dollars in blackjack, which was a traumatic experience for me. I watched the movie Casino, a movie where Joe Pesci punishes a cheater by smashing all his fingers with a ball-peen hammer. (And then, in a particular act of cruelty, forces him to watch Home Alone II.) So I tried to do everything in my power to make sure that under no circumstances would the casino even suspect me of cheating.
Dealer: Congratulations, sir. You won.
Me: Umm... are you sure? You can have my money, anyway.
Dealer: I have 25, sir. I'm busted. You won.
Me: Oh yeah, well I want another hit!
Dealer: You can't have another hit. Now take your damn money.

At this point, I started sobbing like a baby. I then got dangerously drunk on the hopes that this would prove endearing to women who look like Elizabeth Shue. I'm beginning to suspect that maybe movies aren't my best source of travel information.

I loved to people watch more than anything..  I do like the shows and food out there..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 09:00:18 PM
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I never realize that Adam disappeared on my birthday  :cry: but I did know that the Atlanta olympic bombing was on my birthday.

I'm going to take heart that having this signed today motivates me to remain committed to this cause of missing and abducted children.


Don't feel too bad,  both my hubby and sister's birthday is 9/11.....


That S**KS!

Poor Babies :(


My Aunt Marie's birthday is 9-11...  and her son, Ronald died in Tower Two...  She and my Uncle Bob were up from Florida visiting him...  She last saw him when he kissed her good-by and left for work ~ he told her to have her dancing shoes on ~ that they were going out that night for her birthday...


Katz.. so sorry to hear that... :(    Never forget that day as long as I live.


I won't either, Angie...  and every year I think I'm over it...  and every year I'm surprised at how hard I still cry...  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


past drug charges....  robbery and assault....


On the news.....they stated his occupation was PIMP.

No lie.

Hats off to his girlfriend who tipped off the police.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.



shows how truly liberated they are... what a dictomy??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
KatzHome,

I once gambled a little bit, and won 40 dollars in blackjack, which was a traumatic experience for me. I watched the movie Casino, a movie where Joe Pesci punishes a cheater by smashing all his fingers with a ball-peen hammer. (And then, in a particular act of cruelty, forces him to watch Home Alone II.) So I tried to do everything in my power to make sure that under no circumstances would the casino even suspect me of cheating.
Dealer: Congratulations, sir. You won.
Me: Umm... are you sure? You can have my money, anyway.
Dealer: I have 25, sir. I'm busted. You won.
Me: Oh yeah, well I want another hit!
Dealer: You can't have another hit. Now take your damn money.

At this point, I started sobbing like a baby. I then got dangerously drunk on the hopes that this would prove endearing to women who look like Elizabeth Shue. I'm beginning to suspect that maybe movies aren't my best source of travel information.

I loved to people watch more than anything..  I do like the shows and food out there..


You could always hand over all your winnings as a "tip" for the dealer ~ that way you'll KNOW that you'll be safe!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:05:03 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


past drug charges....  robbery and assault....


On the news.....they stated his occupation was PIMP.

No lie.

Hats off to his girlfriend who tipped off the police.


Oh yeah!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: terryd270 on July 27, 2006, 09:05:33 PM
KatzHome,

Are you sure your not my ex???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
SandyLevia..  Ty  very much for the translation...
How disgusting... :(   Sighhhhhhhhhhh...


JACKIE.. stormed here earlier? Maybe ours is headed to NJ?


hey angie, stormed here also but passed quickly lots of thunder n lightning
unfortunatley just left more heat and humidity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.

 It's so perverted.....rape/sexual assault is ok...just boys being boys....but to report the crime means FEAR!!!....from your fellow citizens and your own law enforcement and judicial system...there is absolutely NOTHING right about that picture......that chils is scarred for LIFE....and will have to live through this attack  so many, many times.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jacqueline111/debbiedowner.jpg)

Mrs Red....This one's for you!  LOL...

My sistah in arms, and lover of SNL!



OMG.... I love her...thanks SISTAH


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
Hi folks.  Heavy thunder and lightning here.  We lost satellite a while ago and most likely will lose power soon so I thought I would poke my head in before it goes dark.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"


That was a glorious day.
Although I did not know the family it was too close for comfort for a little kid that is for sure.

My brother went to school with List's sons....


Oh mercy...was he affected by the murders????


No, not really.

But I think I was....

At least in the sense that At a very young age I realized really bad things could happen....right in your own town.



aawwww how old were you?  It's takes a part of once innocence at a tender age when a child is sujected to this kind of tragedy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:10:52 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jacqueline111/debbiedowner.jpg)

Mrs Red....This one's for you!  LOL...

My sistah in arms, and lover of SNL!



OMG.... I love her...thanks SISTAH


The first time I saw that skit....I nearly died laughing.

And none of the players could keep a straight face...

Sooooooooooooo funny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.



shows how truly liberated they are... what a dictomy??







makes me think also that culturally as a rape victem she is now a marked or worthless female within thier society. A somewhat archaic belief that many islanders in the caribbean have. I know because i come fro PR.  Many familys are obsessed with thier daughters who are of marriagable age must be virgins or she has lost some value within thier culture.  I believe they should not propegate that thought but instead lay blame where it belongs in the-- wrongdoing of the rapists.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"


That was a glorious day.
Although I did not know the family it was too close for comfort for a little kid that is for sure.

My brother went to school with List's sons....


Oh mercy...was he affected by the murders????


No, not really.

But I think I was....

At least in the sense that At a very young age I realized really bad things could happen....right in your own town.



aawwww how old were you?  It's takes a part of once innocence at a tender age when a child is sujected to this kind of tragedy.


I was nine.  And I knew my dad was in that creepy house taking pictures and stuff.

It wasn't until an adult that I asked him about it....

It was terrifying for our town.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 09:13:03 PM
Hi Monkeys  :)


Is KatzHome still here?   Did not see them on Users browsing this forum

I was just going to ask if they knew what the penality was for allowing minors go gamble in a casio  here was  We know Aruba has none.
I was just wondering. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sandy - thank you so much for that translation.


hih fellow monkeys
   Is this the sickest thing you continue to hear from this island.  This must have been happening for quite some time not just this yr or last.  This behavior is now ingrained in the youth over there as being ok .  They must think if others have gotton away with it so will we.  why not Joran and Pvds did.  sickening.  I wish a volcanic buble would burn upon these purps and burn off thier u know whats.  Sorry just the way i feel when innocent females are treated in that fashion.  We have heard way too much of this forom that island.  I pray the NY judge will consider all these occurences on the island and vote favor for the HOlloway Twittys. Is there anyway to clip these articles and foward them to the judges.



sandy I agree.....I was sent a post earlier this week that renfros mother  :wink: posted at RU....if i can find it I will c & p it here....it shows what twisted minds they have on the island and how the actions of their youth is not only justified...but approved of by the adults


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.

 It's so perverted.....rape/sexual assault is ok...just boys being boys....but to report the crime means FEAR!!!....from your fellow citizens and your own law enforcement and judicial system...there is absolutely NOTHING right about that picture......that chils is scarred for LIFE....and will have to live through this attack  so many, many times.....



What does it say for the parents belief system.  That one lets keep it hush hush in stead of lets go cut these guys nuts off.  I believe it leaves a message imprinted upon the girl that maybe she wasnt worth enough to fight for the right to prosecute these thugs.  I wish her perents would go to the media (worldwide if need be) as well as the polis and file whatever they have to to get justice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.



shows how truly liberated they are... what a dictomy??


The bigger problem is you have all these woman getting raped and not filing charges .. the boys get away with the crime AGAIN and it becomes a horrible cycle.. If they rape once they will rape again , If they murder once they will murder again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 09:17:52 PM
16 Yr Old Girl: Raped, Videoed

And so today Dairio reports truths long known to attentive observers, merely awaiting confirmations of the obvious...

January 2004: Attempted abduction and likely homosexual rape to ensue.  Brian Battjer ikeepadiary.com.

May 2005:  The abduction of Natalee Anne Holloway.

These perverted events on Aruba have been sanctioned and are on-going.  They have been occuring for years.

And now news of cell cameras handled by perverted classmates recording and posting via web the assault of the girl?

American Pie Theory here posted first in September 2005.  More knew the truth of May 30 2005 before that.

HHmmm.  And they ask what is happening to the youths?  Indeed.  What is happening to the "youths?"  

Like father, like son.

Why now Diario?  Why now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:18:31 PM
Abusing women in Aruba seems to be a right of passage....

This island is effed up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.

Makes you wonder if sexual assault is even a crime in Aruba when the victim and her family are worried about being 'marked' and 'fear' going to the polis.

 It's so perverted.....rape/sexual assault is ok...just boys being boys....but to report the crime means FEAR!!!....from your fellow citizens and your own law enforcement and judicial system...there is absolutely NOTHING right about that picture......that chils is scarred for LIFE....and will have to live through this attack  so many, many times.....

Jus think about what they think of tourists if this is how they treat their own?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
16 Yr Old Girl: Raped, Videoed

And so today Dairio reports truths long known to attentive observers, merely awaiting confirmations of the obvious...

January 2004: Attempted abduction and likely homosexual rape to ensue.  Brian Battjer ikeepadiary.com.

May 2005:  The abduction of Natalee Anne Holloway.

These perverted events on Aruba have been sanctioned and are on-going.  They have been occuring for years.

And now news of cell cameras handled by perverted classmates recording and posting via web the assault of the girl?

American Pie Theory here posted first in September 2005.  More knew the truth of May 30 2005 before that.

HHmmm.  And they ask what is happening to the youths?  Indeed.  What is happening to the "youths?"  

Like father, like son.

Why now Diario?  Why now?


Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-teen0728,0,7453848.story?coll=ny-nycnews-headlines


Drifter charged with Jennifer Moore's murder...


past drug charges....  robbery and assault....


On the news.....they stated his occupation was PIMP.

No lie.

Hats off to his girlfriend who tipped off the police.


Yes his girlfriend was brave and did the right thing.....and she should thank God he didn't harm her


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on July 27, 2006, 09:23:01 PM
Night everyone.. not feeling too swift.  work sucks lately bigtime.
Gotta get to bed early. Nice seeing you all. SANDYLEVIA.. great to have seen you sweety!
KATZ~~ you and I have something in common.. I bought myself a little red love macihne 2 days ado.. :) :) :) :)  (Mine isnt a honda though)..
ANIDAC.. AWESOME to see you !!

Have a great night everyone. Hope those of you getting this storm.. it dont last long.. like it did here in PA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night everyone.. not feeling too swift.  work sucks lately bigtime.
Gotta get to bed early. Nice seeing you all. SANDYLEVIA.. great to have seen you sweety!
KATZ~~ you and I have something in common.. I bought myself a little red love macihne 2 days ado.. :) :) :) :)  (Mine isnt a honda though)..
ANIDAC.. AWESOME to see you !!

Have a great night everyone. Hope those of you getting this storm.. it dont last long.. like it did here in PA.


Feel better angie baby.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:25:27 PM
Quote from: "anidac"
Hi folks.  Heavy thunder and lightning here.  We lost satellite a while ago and most likely will lose power soon so I thought I would poke my head in before it goes dark.


Hi anidac....stay safe......lightening and thunder make me very nervous! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:27:48 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
16 Yr Old Girl: Raped, Videoed

And so today Dairio reports truths long known to attentive observers, merely awaiting confirmations of the obvious...

January 2004: Attempted abduction and likely homosexual rape to ensue.  Brian Battjer ikeepadiary.com.

May 2005:  The abduction of Natalee Anne Holloway.

These perverted events on Aruba have been sanctioned and are on-going.  They have been occuring for years.

And now news of cell cameras handled by perverted classmates recording and posting via web the assault of the girl?

American Pie Theory here posted first in September 2005.  More knew the truth of May 30 2005 before that.

HHmmm.  And they ask what is happening to the youths?  Indeed.  What is happening to the "youths?"  

Like father, like son.

Why now Diario?  Why now?



Im guessing some one finally grew cojones enough to expose what obviously is not a random island occurance but more like occurances of epidemic proportions.  Better late than never.  or maybe and this is the one I prefer to believe that Natalee Holloway did not die in vain>  What happened to Natalee HOlloway was the impetus needed to expose the depth of filth and corruption going on in that island.  Her stregnth of charachter and undenyable innocence was the impetus needed to enrage americans to expose these acts that island males were getting away with.
God did not give the Holloway Twittys something they could not handle.  Thier undying love and faith has carried and will continue to carry them thru untill this case has finally recieved justice.  We all wish it were not so but it happened and we needed the outrage , the stregnth and the determination to act collectivly as a group for justice and to fight evil.  just my honest opinion. I dont mean to hurt anyone with my statements just the way i feel.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas...

Do you have a jpg or gif of my sweaty man avi ?


Igs, you gotta find that avi!!!!!! I wish I had kept it...so suave  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 27, 2006, 09:29:55 PM
John Walsh and his wife on Larry King now.

25th annivers of Adam Walsh's death.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
Bringin' the Brass

klaas writes: "Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth."

Better late than never -- but better never late.

Why has it taken jossy over 14 months to get the mojo working on this case?  Meanwhile, 16 yr old girls continue to be raped and videoed.  What's up w/ that?  A least he's doing something?

My standards are higher than that.  So are yours.  So are all of ours.

NYTimes, LA Times should donate full page to Deetch's epic post requesting anonymous and confidential rape information from victims -- so should Diario.

Have you been raped while on a vacation trip to Aruba...?  Are you too afraid to discuss this with anyone?  We can help...

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"


sandy I agree.....I was sent a post earlier this week that renfros mother  :wink: posted at RU....if i can find it I will c & p it here....it shows what twisted minds they have on the island and how the actions of their youth is not only justified...but approved of by the adults


Oh mercy I am answering my own posts...but I found the email wwith renfro's mothers post


Siddalee Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm    
Are the Aruban teens more promiscuous than the MB kids?

Just wondering what you think based on what we have learned about both groups of teens in the past year.

Another board made this statement:

aruba's children are brought up in this promiscous lifestyle....of sex, drugs, perversion.....


I have met many teens in Aruba and have been impressed. The culture of the Arubans is family oriented. Many of those families are much stricter with their teens than what I have seen with the Mountain Brook culture. How many 15 year old girls in Mountain Brook have a birthday party with not only their peers but with the parents' friends and relatives, too? I haven't met MB kids, but they seem to be much bigger partiers than the typical Aruban kid - possibly $$$ is the big difference - and the MB kids are pretty good at bed swapping from what we have learned. All in all, is either group more promiscuous than the other? How about it, Arubagirl?  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 09:32:31 PM
Sandy Leiva,

Thanks for the Diario translation!! And GO JOSSY!!

So, the island breeds PIMPS...I hope they all come to justice...Wonder how Judge Smid will rule???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 27, 2006, 09:34:21 PM
I gotta run....it's been a pleasure tonight.....did anyone send Sandy's Dairio translation to the family or to JQK.....night ya'll!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Sandy Leiva,

Thanks for the Diario translation!! And GO JOSSY!!

So, the island breeds PIMPS...I hope they all come to justice...Wonder how Judge Smid will rule???



if it  is anything like his previous ceses.  theyll all go free for lack of forensic evidence and too many false statytements or confusion over who.s being truthful or decietful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"


sandy I agree.....I was sent a post earlier this week that renfros mother  :wink: posted at RU....if i can find it I will c & p it here....it shows what twisted minds they have on the island and how the actions of their youth is not only justified...but approved of by the adults


Oh mercy I am answering my own posts...but I found the email wwith renfro's mothers post


Siddalee Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm    
Are the Aruban teens more promiscuous than the MB kids?

Just wondering what you think based on what we have learned about both groups of teens in the past year.

Another board made this statement:

aruba's children are brought up in this promiscous lifestyle....of sex, drugs, perversion.....


I have met many teens in Aruba and have been impressed. The culture of the Arubans is family oriented. Many of those families are much stricter with their teens than what I have seen with the Mountain Brook culture. How many 15 year old girls in Mountain Brook have a birthday party with not only their peers but with the parents' friends and relatives, too? I haven't met MB kids, but they seem to be much bigger partiers than the typical Aruban kid - possibly $$$ is the big difference - and the MB kids are pretty good at bed swapping from what we have learned. All in all, is either group more promiscuous than the other? How about it, Arubagirl?  

SunnyinTX
Was it Anita that talked about the "Sleep Overs" that had occurred in Joarns detached apartment?[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "mishy"
Sandy Leiva,

Thanks for the Diario translation!! And GO JOSSY!!

So, the island breeds PIMPS...I hope they all come to justice...Wonder how Judge Smid will rule???



if it  is anything like his previous ceses.  theyll all go free for lack of forensic evidence and too many false statytements or confusion over who.s being truthful or decietful.


He must be a bluthering idiot, dontcha think? Where did he get his license to be a judge? A freakin box of wheaties??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:40:38 PM
I think I'm going to lie down for a, hopefully, short nap...  Just because it's the last day of my vacation and I can...

maybe not -- still on the phone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
I gotta run....it's been a pleasure tonight.....did anyone send Sandy's Dairio translation to the family or to JQK.....night ya'll!!


thanks for bringing the darkside post over...

so the MB girls are evil because they would report a rape rather than be branded??  whatever sidalee, whatever...

at least in the MB school the boys didn't gang rape a girl, film it, send it around ... and then tell the girl she is "branded  -"used goods"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "mishy"
Sandy Leiva,

Thanks for the Diario translation!! And GO JOSSY!!

So, the island breeds PIMPS...I hope they all come to justice...Wonder how Judge Smid will rule???



if it  is anything like his previous ceses.  theyll all go free for lack of forensic evidence and too many false statytements or confusion over who.s being truthful or decietful.


He must be a bluthering idiot, dontcha think? Where did he get his license to be a judge? A freakin box of wheaties??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


nope same box of cheerios that PVDS did


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sandy leiva on July 27, 2006, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
I gotta run....it's been a pleasure tonight.....did anyone send Sandy's Dairio translation to the family or to JQK.....night ya'll!!


thanks for bringing the darkside post over...

so the MB girls are evil because they would report a rape rather than be branded??  whatever sidalee, whatever...

at least in the MB school the boys didn't gang rape a girl, film it, send it around ... and then tell the girl she is "branded  -"used goods"?
 


Bravo Bravo  Hand clapping loudly!  thank you Red.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night everyone.. not feeling too swift.  work sucks lately bigtime.
Gotta get to bed early. Nice seeing you all. SANDYLEVIA.. great to have seen you sweety!
KATZ~~ you and I have something in common.. I bought myself a little red love macihne 2 days ado.. :) :) :) :)  (Mine isnt a honda though)..
ANIDAC.. AWESOME to see you !!

Have a great night everyone. Hope those of you getting this storm.. it dont last long.. like it did here in PA.


Oh how cool, Angie!!!!  What'd ya get, sista!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tidycat on July 27, 2006, 09:44:09 PM
Hello Monkeys.  I see I have missed Nonesuche's birthday... :shock:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NONE!!

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:44:38 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night everyone.. not feeling too swift.  work sucks lately bigtime.
Gotta get to bed early. Nice seeing you all. SANDYLEVIA.. great to have seen you sweety!
KATZ~~ you and I have something in common.. I bought myself a little red love macihne 2 days ado.. :) :) :) :)  (Mine isnt a honda though)..
ANIDAC.. AWESOME to see you !!

Have a great night everyone. Hope those of you getting this storm.. it dont last long.. like it did here in PA.


Oh man, Ang...  I'm just skimming posts...  I'm sorry that work's so bad... and that you feel sick from it....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
I gotta run....it's been a pleasure tonight.....did anyone send Sandy's Dairio translation to the family or to JQK.....night ya'll!!


thanks for bringing the darkside post over...

so the MB girls are evil because they would report a rape rather than be branded??  whatever sidalee, whatever...

at least in the MB school the boys didn't gang rape a girl, film it, send it around ... and then tell the girl she is "branded  -"used goods"?
 


Bravo Bravo  Hand clapping loudly!  thank you Red.


Don't get me going on that one!  Nothing makes me madder... there is no such thing as a 16 year old virgin asking to be gang raped... what on one nasty island breeds boys and men that need to assert power?  Rape is not about sex, it's about power.....

I guess the BOYS of MB feel secure in who they are and that's a bad thing??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: oldfart on July 27, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
O/T

SAM

I just saw you were on?
I think you are in this general storm area?
http://www.intellicast.com/IcastPage/LoadPage.aspx?loc=kspi&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=RadarImagery&product=RegionalRadarLoop&prodnav=none&pid=none

Be safe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tidycat on July 27, 2006, 09:49:04 PM
And thanks to whomever is responsible for the beautiful daisy birthday greeting to None!  (I just borrowed it...)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: anidac on July 27, 2006, 09:49:17 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "anidac"
Hi folks.  Heavy thunder and lightning here.  We lost satellite a while ago and most likely will lose power soon so I thought I would poke my head in before it goes dark.


Hi anidac....stay safe......lightening and thunder make me very nervous! :shock:


Will do.  I tried to post 3 more times but lost power every time I went to hit the Enter button.  It's pouring!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:49:27 PM
Sent ya some "eye candy" Ang...  I hope you can see the pictures!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 27, 2006, 09:51:44 PM
Short nap time ~ just because it's the last day that I can do this...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/BlueDaisyNS.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 09:59:10 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
16 Yr Old Girl: Raped, Videoed

And so today Dairio reports truths long known to attentive observers, merely awaiting confirmations of the obvious...

January 2004: Attempted abduction and likely homosexual rape to ensue.  Brian Battjer ikeepadiary.com.

May 2005:  The abduction of Natalee Anne Holloway.

These perverted events on Aruba have been sanctioned and are on-going.  They have been occuring for years.

And now news of cell cameras handled by perverted classmates recording and posting via web the assault of the girl?

American Pie Theory here posted first in September 2005.  More knew the truth of May 30 2005 before that.

HHmmm.  And they ask what is happening to the youths?  Indeed.  What is happening to the "youths?"  

Like father, like son.

Why now Diario?  Why now?


Debauchery in all age groups seems to be the coin of the realm in Aruba and it's virulent effects have permeated their entire civilization. This must have been what Charles Croes was alluding to so early in this case. No matter how they spin it : The bad guys have complete control over that scrubby little no-man's land and it didn't happen overnight.  The current toy of choice is the cellphone.  Their own young girls and  young American tourists have been their prey. Well, at least their modus operandi is confirmed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "SunnyinTX"


sandy I agree.....I was sent a post earlier this week that renfros mother  :wink: posted at RU....if i can find it I will c & p it here....it shows what twisted minds they have on the island and how the actions of their youth is not only justified...but approved of by the adults


Oh mercy I am answering my own posts...but I found the email wwith renfro's mothers post


Siddalee Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 pm    
Are the Aruban teens more promiscuous than the MB kids?

Just wondering what you think based on what we have learned about both groups of teens in the past year.

Another board made this statement:

aruba's children are brought up in this promiscous lifestyle....of sex, drugs, perversion.....


I have met many teens in Aruba and have been impressed. The culture of the Arubans is family oriented. Many of those families are much stricter with their teens than what I have seen with the Mountain Brook culture. How many 15 year old girls in Mountain Brook have a birthday party with not only their peers but with the parents' friends and relatives, too? I haven't met MB kids, but they seem to be much bigger partiers than the typical Aruban kid - possibly $$$ is the big difference - and the MB kids are pretty good at bed swapping from what we have learned. All in all, is either group more promiscuous than the other? How about it, Arubagirl?  


It became very obvious early in this case that there are many jealous miscreants out there who post from their anti-social caves and the attractive and accomplished students from Mountain Brook just drive them nuts.  You can chalk up all of their negative critiques to pure class envy. Actually, they are pitiful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 10:10:50 PM
sandy leiva, just catching up...thank you for the translation.  Not a fun read, though.  Sick, and sorry state.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 10:11:08 PM
yes, aruba is so much stricter... they allow a 16 - 17 yr old go into bars drink and gamble like he is older...

yes, the family that plays together... I would say kiss my XXX Sidalee, but I am way to much of a lady... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Easywriter on July 27, 2006, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Bringin' the Brass

klaas writes: "Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth."

Better late than never -- but better never late.

Why has it taken jossy over 14 months to get the mojo working on this case?  Meanwhile, 16 yr old girls continue to be raped and videoed.  What's up w/ that?  A least he's doing something?

My standards are higher than that.  So are yours.  So are all of ours.

NYTimes, LA Times should donate full page to Deetch's epic post requesting anonymous and confidential rape information from victims -- so should Diario.

Have you been raped while on a vacation trip to Aruba...?  Are you too afraid to discuss this with anyone?  We can help...

.


Is your intention to alienate one of the few friends we have in Aruba that can make a difference?  To blame the one source that is willing to take risk in order to expose the debauchery they may exist in a society completely foreign to the majority of us?

Unless, you have been reading DIARIO far longer than most of us even new it existed, I do not see the relevance of your “mystical” critique of the paper, or its managing editor.

Remember, there was always the option to say nothing, yet a different course was taken in an effort to expose a problem.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sam on July 27, 2006, 10:18:45 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Old Fart , thanks for thinking of me. earlier we had some lightning and thunder and light rain not as much as last night though. The W is still on the Tv station but they are not running the banner across telling the counties and what kind of Weather it is. And no thunder or lightning now.

Does anyone have a link to the Diario translation that Sandy Leiva did?
Thanks in advance


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:18:53 PM
Sandy, thanks for translating that article....

so - we now have confirmation in PRINT that young boys on the island of aruba are raping underage girls on film/camera phones...

That needs to get reported to MSM.  Think I read someone already sent it to JQK. Hope the Judge gets it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 10:23:03 PM
What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 27, 2006, 10:23:51 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Sandy...thanks for the translation.

Adults, youths, rape...and all caught with pictures. Sounds familiar.


so it's been proven over and over again.... the island is full of gangs of "boys" running wild and raping women.... and taking pictures.......


yes it does sound familiar... and I personally think that we are onto something...


Yes, and in light of the fact that the three amigoes pretty much got away with murder...

well what kind of message does that send to the other boys on the island...

Ya can pretty do much about anything around here....

and not pay for it.

The girl that was druged and then raped by Joran did go to the polis and they did nothing. That is why this is acceptable in Aruba. Because it is not treated as a crime, but some sort of boyish prank.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll



I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll:


Imagine that - the monkeys were right!   :wink: You know what they say, practice makes perfect... guess the pimps got cocky and slipped up huh?  Glad Jossy is getting it out in the news.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 27, 2006, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Bringin' the Brass

klaas writes: "Because Diario is the only paper with the "balls" to print the truth."

Better late than never -- but better never late.

Why has it taken jossy over 14 months to get the mojo working on this case?  Meanwhile, 16 yr old girls continue to be raped and videoed.  What's up w/ that?  A least he's doing something?

My standards are higher than that.  So are yours.  So are all of ours.

NYTimes, LA Times should donate full page to Deetch's epic post requesting anonymous and confidential rape information from victims -- so should Diario.

Have you been raped while on a vacation trip to Aruba...?  Are you too afraid to discuss this with anyone?  We can help...

.


Is your intention to alienate one of the few friends we have in Aruba that can make a difference?  To blame the one source that is willing to take risk in order to expose the debauchery they may exist in a society completely foreign to the majority of us?

Unless, you have been reading DIARIO far longer than most of us even new it existed, I do not see the relevance of your “mystical” critique of the paper, or its managing editor.

Remember, there was always the option to say nothing, yet a different course was taken in an effort to expose a problem.

I agree Easy.... Jossy is one of the few Aruban friends of Natalee. To the rest of them, this is accepted behaviour.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll



I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....


Mrs.  I don't think they care about women period.  And they were taught that by their fathers.. who were taught by their fathers.... all the way over on the other side of the pond (Atlantic).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 10:28:17 PM
What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... :roll: JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... :roll: JMO


It can collapse just like that bridge for all I care, I know that sounds cold, but what kind of place thinks that it's the girl's fault....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:30:54 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What we have thought all along, is really true.  It happens all the time all 20 times or so for the good ole boys.  :roll



I can't imagine that if this is how they treat their own girls  that they really give a rat's butt about tourists....


No kidding.  It boggles the mind when you think of just how many young, unsuspecting American girls most likely have been debased. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
you have to wonder I dont know really when this took place but you wonder if Jorans or his buddies were involved in any of it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
What kind of third world country is Aruba?  I know we have crime here, but to hear this you would think they live in a different age than we do.  I have never understood the mentality that it is okay to rape young girls and then brand them as used goods.  No wonder that island is beginning to sink... :roll: JMO


Lalas... think AMSTERDAM red light district, legalized drugs, aristocracy.

That mentality goes to the tropics, has a few drinks - after all they are the superiors there.  They think they can get away with murder.  Oops... I see they have!! Over and over and over

Aruba -  you got caught on international TV with your hands in your pants.  Live with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
you have to wonder I dont know really when this took place but you wonder if Jorans or his buddies were involved in any of it


Yes, it is something to wonder...also I wonder which school ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on July 27, 2006, 10:38:44 PM
BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!


BOC... hey! DId you see the article... where they raped and took pictures of a local girl and took pictures to send around?  

Yes, and keep reminding everyone....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Frijole on July 27, 2006, 10:42:54 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!


BOC... hey! DId you see the article... where they raped and took pictures of a local girl and took pictures to send around?  

Yes, and keep reminding everyone....


Maybe BOC needs to print it out and enlarge it and put it in his travel agency for everyone to read... kind of like a TRAVEL ALERT!?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
This Is The Advertisement To Run...

As Public Service Announcement.  It's a masterpiece.

**********************************************

Have you ever thought something may have happened to you while on your last night on Aruba - that you may have been date rape drugged, filmed, etc. ?

Do you know someone who has?

Have you ever been at a party at this Aruban mansion before?

Have you ever seen a film, pictures, or video feed from one of these parties?

Do you have access to any pictures or films of these parties that you can send to us?

IF yes, please contact America's Most Wanted.

Provide all the information you can regarding the activities, pictures, films, and parties at this house, or your date-rape drugged experience in Aruba.  Your tips will provide valuable insights, that may make the difference to help solve this case.

To talk to a confidential Hotline specialist, call: 1-800-CRIME-TV.
You may remain anonymous.  All submissions will be treated with the utmost security and privacy.  You may also use our confidential tipline:
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The Natalee Holloway Case


Aruba is a member of Interpol.

Interpol also have activities in the different regions of the world to ensure that law enforcement officers understand the need to act upon requests involving children at risk, and create a global understanding on how to address victim identification and help rescue children being sexually abused and pornographically exploited


I like this ad and your idea.  My only change would be in the use of that word "mansion"....it's just an old dumpy-looking oversized house at the beach it seems to me...pretty tacky as far as looks go, I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 10:46:29 PM
Ono - I think that post of Hammer's is from Deetch's site, or the boycott site.  One or the other.  Yes, would make a great full page ad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!


Hey BOC, good to see you are here.  Gonna sweep for me tonight?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a fly by! We still do not book Aruba at my two travel agencies!!

We remind anyone who even mentions it!!!


Good for you!  I would hate to think I had not at least warned an unsuspecting customer!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ono - I think that post of Hammer's is from Deetch's site, or the boycott site.  One or the other.  Yes, would make a great full page ad.


Thanks Klass!  Well, anyway, I like the idea.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 10:49:47 PM
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 27, 2006, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


More than likely...a reasonable conclusion, that's for sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 10:55:26 PM
O/T to KatzHome and XXX:

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Prince's second wife, Manuela Testolini Nelson, has filed for divorce from the pop superstar, his attorney has confirmed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sam on July 27, 2006, 10:56:52 PM
Easy, If you are still here nice to see you. You have been missed.

I agree Jossy has helped us and Natalee alot. JMHO

Sam


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "igsigs"
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


More than likely...a reasonable conclusion, that's for sure.


Yes. And how does Art Wood even know that Sanders phone was missing? From ALE, who must have asked him for it. I would like to know what prompted that request.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…


In case you guys missed my latest chart  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:04:28 PM
I see Artcolley... it's good to see you... you have been missed! You too BOC!

I so wanted to hang with the late night crew... but I can't.. I am so tired....

peace and hugs to all of you Monkeys..

be well... and be good to each other... we are all here for the same reason.....

and NONE... I hope you had a magical fabulous birthday!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 11:06:27 PM
Alienate or Motivate?

Easywriter: assess targets for umbrage, as there are those who work both inside and outside threads visible for justice.  

To your post:

Is your intention to alienate one of the few friends we have in Aruba that can make a difference?

Alienate? No.  Spur to action? Yes.

To blame the one source that is willing to take risk in order to expose the debauchery they may exist in a society completely foreign to the majority of us?

Risk to expose debauchery?  Why is this "a risk?"  I did not blame jossy -- chiding jossy to act is worthy and worth it.

Unless, you have been reading DIARIO far longer than most of us even new it existed, I do not see the relevance of your “mystical” critique of the paper, or its managing editor.

There is nothing "mystical" about demanding action and accountability.  These threads and numerous more visible voices have been demanding same for months -- and not just of jossy, but of all Aruban authorities.
As for relevance, it's perfectly fine if "relevance" remains unseen by those who view.


Remember, there was always the option to say nothing, yet a different course was taken in an effort to expose a problem.

Yes.  I agree completely.  Even champion yearlings run harder and faster under the crop.  That's how they become champions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:07:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…


In case you guys missed my latest chart  :wink:


great job Klaasend... and for the first time, I thought of something....

and I know that there are smarter monkeys than I ... and this has probably been said... but I just wondered if the furniture truck wasn't bringing a new matress.... to replace the bloody one, you know the one with "dog's blood"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Easywriter on July 27, 2006, 11:09:29 PM
There seems to be a real dichotomy on the island.  At what point in time and what significant happening caused that discourse is not known to me, but there are some extreme mindsets.  A moral clash between hard core Catholicism (with all its idiosyncrasies) and the complete failure of moral obligation lingers throughout.

A cursory observation of this dilemma would indicate that there are two schools of thought on the island.  One born out of religious dogma and the other birthed from the liberal conceptions that are void of moral fiber and leave no sustenance.

Not a very difficult thing to uncover where the immoral philosophy came from, but it is puzzling that so few would seize control over so many.  

There is only one answer and the same retort has echoed across troubled lands many times.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


Quick draw...never thought of that!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 11:16:52 PM
Klaas  :arrow:  Great FP chart.  Could not be better timing for our buddy Paulus.

And thanks for the avi assist :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas  :arrow:  Great FP chart.  Could not be better timing for our buddy Paulus.

And thanks for the avi assist :wink:


You're welcome, and thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "igsigs"
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


More than likely...a reasonable conclusion, that's for sure.


Yes. And how does Art Wood even know that Sanders phone was missing? From ALE, who must have asked him for it. I would like to know what prompted that request.


Wooo Hooo!! Glad to see you found your avi, Iggy  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 11:21:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas  :arrow:  Great FP chart.  Could not be better timing for our buddy Paulus.

And thanks for the avi assist :wink:


You're welcome, and thanks!


Klaas, this flowchart is even better than your first one...You are a master!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 27, 2006, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


Excellent post, Red.  

There are so many pieces of evidence that disappear.  Yes, there may be a few that end up not being related, but IMO many items that are directly related.

When else in anyone's life has fabric turned to fishnet?  
When else in anyone's life has blood changed to chocolate or cleaing fluid?  
When else in anyone's life have human bones made an evoluntionary step backwards to be non-human?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Easywriter on July 27, 2006, 11:23:44 PM
Just a simple question:  

How many of you have been chided into a positive reaction to any damn thing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mishy on July 27, 2006, 11:24:06 PM
Hi Sleuth....just wanted to tell everybody goodnight!!

Sleep tight and prayers for you all!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 27, 2006, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: "mishy"

Wooo Hooo!! Glad to see you found your avi, Iggy  8)

Thanks mi dushi Mishy :)
I was gonna let it fade away...it can be too much even for me...but i saw it mentioned a few times today and said...what the hey! Give the people what they want.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


Excellent post, Red.  

There are so many pieces of evidence that disappear.  Yes, there may be a few that end up not being related, but IMO many items that are directly related.

When else in anyone's life has fabric turned to fishnet?  
When else in anyone's life has blood changed to chocolate or cleaing fluid?  
When else in anyone's life have human bones made an evoluntionary step backwards to be non-human?


Exactly Sleuth !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on July 27, 2006, 11:26:21 PM
Night monkeys, time for me to get to bed.  I have moving to do tomorrow and Saturday. Hugs to Nemo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…


In case you guys missed my latest chart  :wink:


great job Klaasend... and for the first time, I thought of something....or it actually occurred to me for the first time...

and I know that there are smarter monkeys than I ... and this has probably been said... but I just wondered if the furniture truck wasn't bringing a new matress.... to replace the bloody one, you know the one with "dog's blood"?


is this something that we know or don't know...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Night monkeys, time for me to get to bed.  I have moving to do tomorrow and Saturday. Hugs to Nemo.


nite LALA'S....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 11:28:57 PM
As everyone is discussing the rape story from the pages of Diario and the bizarre culture of almost making the woman feel guilty in Aruba so they do not come forward ... we are presented with an amazing thing today in the US.

Today is the 25 year anniversary of the abduction and death of Adam Walsh.

Jogn Walsh, the God Father of victims rights, had a bitter sweet day and gave every child in America a gift today. “The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act” or H.R. 4472 was signed into law.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-signed-into-law/

Finally a strong law with teeth against predators.  John Walsh wife's comments said it all ...

This is all about children. It tells children in our country that they are precious and are cared about — even though they don’t have any money, or vote or lobby — that we will take care of them.” (Reve Walsh)

While crimes go on everywhere including the USA, at least we are taking an approach to stop these heinous crimes, not accept them or turn our heads.

Kudos to John Walsh for his endless campaign against evil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Just a simple question:  

How many of you have been chided into a positive reaction to any damn thing?

I can remember a poster chiding the entire forum for about a month last June. Trying to get an answer out of anyone who could find out WHO was the one who signed the paper to arrest the Security Guards..who was responsible for NOT detaining JK2 on June 1st or 2nd?  That chiding finally made me search for the answer.  The answer was KARIN JANSSEN.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:31:09 PM
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:32:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:33:29 PM
Quote from: "Red"
As everyone is discussing the rape story from the pages of Diario and the bizarre culture of almost making the woman feel guilty in Aruba so they do not come forward ... we are presented with an amazing thing today in the US.

Today is the 25 year anniversary of the abduction and death of Adam Walsh.

Jogn Walsh, the God Father of victims rights, had a bitter sweet day and gave every child in America a gift today. “The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act” or H.R. 4472 was signed into law.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/adam-walsh-child-protection-and-safety-act-signed-into-law/

Finally a strong law with teeth against predators.  John Walsh wife's comments said it all ...

This is all about children. It tells children in our country that they are precious and are cared about — even though they don’t have any money, or vote or lobby — that we will take care of them.” (Reve Walsh)

While crimes go on everywhere including the USA, at least we are taking an approach to stop these heinous crimes, not accept them or turn our heads.

Kudos to John Walsh for his endless campaign against evil.


I'm so glad this bill has become law now!!  It's about time!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Red on July 27, 2006, 11:33:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page post:

Natalee Holloway Aruban Investigation: What ever Happened to the Evidence?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/natalee-holloway-aruban-investigation-what-ever-happened-to-the-evidence/

What has become of all the evidence that has been discovered? Are we to believe that testing has ever been done and if so, if it believable? Is there information that the police are holding back? Why was it said that a suspect confessed and then was retracted? Can any of it be believed?


Excellent post, Red.  

There are so many pieces of evidence that disappear.  Yes, there may be a few that end up not being related, but IMO many items that are directly related.

When else in anyone's life has fabric turned to fishnet?  
When else in anyone's life has blood changed to chocolate or cleaning fluid?  
When else in anyone's life have human bones made an evoluntionary step backwards to be non-human?


Exactly Sleuth !


You said it Sleuth ... cause as Art Wood said ... we have what test that tests for chocolate?

For people who were investigation challenged ... they made some awfully bold assumptions regarding the belt, bones, blood, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:33:49 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


I mean like Slueth said... where else does blood become cleaning fluid??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: lexie on July 27, 2006, 11:34:06 PM
Re:  Diario story

I expect that Jossy and the paper have tried to be very careful about releasing this info to avoid contaminating any prosecutions that might occur as a result.  He said in the first article that the info had been given to the police, but they did not appear to want to act on it.  This young girl deserves a clean case, if such a thing is possible in Aruba.  

We want more info, but truth is, it may or may not be linked to Natalee's case.  Didn't the first Diario article say they have the names of two or three of the perpertrators?  These may not be J2K.  Maybe there is a larger group, but not all participated in every attack.  

I do think, however, that this may be the ultimate answer to what happened to Natalee. It is very difficult to believe conspiracy and kidnap theories when the simplest scenario is that she left with J2K, never to be seen again.  Paulus may or may not be involved in the attacks, but is definitely involved in the cover up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...

Yes, it's occurred to me but unfortunately how do we prove anything?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: lexie on July 27, 2006, 11:34:56 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
And assuming Sander G's phone was disposed of...and not stolen...why?

Photos/Movies?


Or maybe Natalee got her hands on it to make one last call.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...

Yes, it's occurred to me but unfortunately how do we prove anything?


just like with it all... we can't... but it makes total sense now....

I just didn't "see" it until the chart.... or didn't know that I saw it if that makes sense.... I guess I literally need to be drawn a picture... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 27, 2006, 11:37:54 PM
The Dogs of The Lord

Easywriter brings:  "...There seems to be a real dichotomy on the island. At what point in time and what significant happening caused that discourse is not known to me, but there are some extreme mindsets. A moral clash between hard core Catholicism (with all its idiosyncrasies) and the complete failure of moral obligation lingers throughout..."

YES!

Your comment directed towards Aruban societal failures, I presume.  Animated by the meeting of Evangelicals w/ Catholics, upon HT Family arrival, which resulted in failure.  Why?

The idosyncracy of devout Catholicism is misunderstood by so many, and births behaviors unimagined by those that view.  The demands of God, as spoken through Catholicism, and its strictist orders: Jesu --the dogs of the Lord -- are goals to be learned and "hoped for."  Penance is sacremental cul de sac for failed effort: who can achieve such a calling?

A "peaceful man" could not win in the environment proscribed.  Because it is not about "peace" -- it is about "winning".

Dutchlady was right -- so right -- about this very important part, which could have changed much very early had the depravity been acknowledged.  T'is not the Church, just the sinners who walk there.

They fail to achieve minimal standards, as do we all.  Where does failure mean "inhuman" -- where does failure mean "noble defeat" -- where does failure mean ...

Dave should have never shook his hand.  Never.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:38:33 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...

Yes, it's occurred to me but unfortunately how do we prove anything?


just like with it all... we can't... but it makes total sense now....

I just didn't "see" it until the chart.... or didn't know that I saw it if that makes sense.... I guess I literally need to be drawn a picture... :lol:


I am a picture person myself.  Love to do pictoral charts for the clarity..can you tell, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 11:42:35 PM
Hammer and Easy-

It's wonderful to see two great minds interacting tonight, what a bonus!! So glad to see both of you here dissecting this current news.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 27, 2006, 11:42:53 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
 
translation todays diario aruba front page

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates:
word has come to the paper that a group of males student aged from the same school as the victem had been loitering around .

this crime is considered to be punishable and condemming by law.
 thee innocent 16 yr old Virgen was accosted by many from within her own class and school.
This was a forced act of violence agaisnt this child and she was raped anally and vaginally.
What makes this crime more sickening is that many of the male students used thier cameras on thier cellphones to record the act.
By midday the photos were circulated to other males via cellphones.
The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.
the photos continue to be distributed via MMS now more than ever diario has found out.
The family upon learning this has decided the girl will not return to school in august and instead they are looking to send her off the island with other family abroad.
Diario is supplicating to the family to protect the girl and press charges annonymously so that these group will not get away with this crime so that they may be brought to justice and not have a chance to do this to another female.
The author of the article states he cannot believe what is happening to the islands youth today.  He says the goverment and the judicial branches of Arube must take a firm stance against this behavior, and prosecute these thugs.
In another case he sites that a roaming group of youngsters have terrorised an entire area in Cas Palamos.  In that case polis did nothing to disband this disruptive group of young males.
In yet another case last night polis did stop a group of youngsters who were out of control after leaving a concert for the band called of the highway in area of Boegoereio. while awaiting the arrival of more polis to the scene the youths scattered in different direction.
 Diario is asking that the photos circulating in JPG form via MMs cellul;ar co be removed from airwaves.If not they risk falling as accomplices to the actions of these rapists.

Best ranslation I could do.  Sandy Leiva


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 


 :shock:  :shock:

Sandy - Thank you so much for the translation.  

 :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:44:02 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
The Dogs of The Lord

Easywriter brings:  "...There seems to be a real dichotomy on the island. At what point in time and what significant happening caused that discourse is not known to me, but there are some extreme mindsets. A moral clash between hard core Catholicism (with all its idiosyncrasies) and the complete failure of moral obligation lingers throughout..."

YES!

Your comment directed towards Aruban societal failures, I presume.  Animated by the meeting of Evangelicals w/ Catholics, upon HT Family arrival, which resulted in failure.  Why?

The idosyncracy of devout Catholicism is misunderstood by so many, and births behaviors unimagined by those that view.  The demands of God, as spoken through Catholicism, and its strictist orders: Jesu --the dogs of the Lord -- are goals to be learned and "hoped for."  Penance is sacremental cul de sac for failed effort: who can achieve such a calling?

A "peaceful man" could not win in the environment proscribed.  Because it is not about "peace" -- it is about "winning".

Dutchlady was right -- so right -- about this very important part, which could have changed much very early had the depravity been acknowledged.  T'is not the Church, just the sinners who walk there.

They fail to achieve minimal standards, as do we all.  Where does failure mean "inhuman" -- where does failure mean "noble defeat" -- where does failure mean ...

Dave should have never shook his hand.  Never.

At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"?  Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 27, 2006, 11:44:29 PM
thanks Klaasend.. obviously I need pictures!  

on that note, good night again monkeys...

love and hugs to the nite crew....

tell Third, he is behind on his trivia again... he hasn't even answered the questions I left last week... :shock:

Spooky, your family is in my prayers....

and None, once again Happy Birthday!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 27, 2006, 11:46:34 PM
Signing out..Good reading, thinking and translation goin' on...

None..hope your day was like a breath of salt air...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 11:46:39 PM
Mrs Red-

Thank you, and you don't need pictures, Klaas just made the moving objects stop moving. I honestly think the double-talk has continued for so long at such a high frequency, that it's impossible to build a sequential model of this case.

Kudos to Klaas, we just needed those fine lines to stop moving !  :lol:

Rest well Mrs R !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 27, 2006, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
 
translation todays diario aruba front page

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates:
word has come to the paper that a group of males student aged from the same school as the victem had been loitering around .

this crime is considered to be punishable and condemming by law.
 thee innocent 16 yr old Virgen was accosted by many from within her own class and school.
This was a forced act of violence agaisnt this child and she was raped anally and vaginally.
What makes this crime more sickening is that many of the male students used thier cameras on thier cellphones to record the act.
By midday the photos were circulated to other males via cellphones.
The family of the girl wishing to protect her is not wanting to go to the polis in order to protect her identity further and prevent her from bieng marked as a raped female within the community. She has been thru a horrific ordeal and they dont wish to upset her more. They will seek professional help for her but are fearing to go to the polis.
the photos continue to be distributed via MMS now more than ever diario has found out.
The family upon learning this has decided the girl will not return to school in august and instead they are looking to send her off the island with other family abroad.
Diario is supplicating to the family to protect the girl and press charges annonymously so that these group will not get away with this crime so that they may be brought to justice and not have a chance to do this to another female.
The author of the article states he cannot believe what is happening to the islands youth today.  He says the goverment and the judicial branches of Arube must take a firm stance against this behavior, and prosecute these thugs.
In another case he sites that a roaming group of youngsters have terrorised an entire area in Cas Palamos.  In that case polis did nothing to disband this disruptive group of young males.
In yet another case last night polis did stop a group of youngsters who were out of control after leaving a concert for the band called of the highway in area of Boegoereio. while awaiting the arrival of more polis to the scene the youths scattered in different direction.
 Diario is asking that the photos circulating in JPG form via MMs cellul;ar co be removed from airwaves.If not they risk falling as accomplices to the actions of these rapists.

Best ranslation I could do.  Sandy Leiva


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 :shock:  :shock:

Sandy - Thank you so much for the translation.  

 :shock:  :shock:



this is just proof that the island of aruba is trash and american tourist should not travel there, this article needs to be sent to Us Media let them spread the news that the island is full of rapist


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 27, 2006, 11:50:48 PM
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…




Klaasend - you rock!   I knew you were up to something when I saw the post about sending something to Red to verify  :wink:

I wonder who is at the top of the chain and who is supplying the favors - Dompig and Jacobs are lower in the chain.  Smells like Mr. O to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 27, 2006, 11:52:20 PM
What does this line truly mean?  :?:  

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tidycat on July 27, 2006, 11:53:34 PM
OK Just got here.  WHAT have I missed?  I'll never catch up at this late hour.  Catholics?  Evangelicals?   :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2006, 11:55:53 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
What does this line truly mean?  :?:  

Innocent 16 yr old female raped by man and then by schoolmates

Not sure if he means and older man, like a teacher or simply an 18yr old?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 27, 2006, 11:57:48 PM
Klaas:
Quote
At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"? Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

Great question!! I have certainly wondered that as well. Back in the early RWV days there were a couple of posters that purported to have grown-up on Aruba that now live in the U.S.  Although I had a few suspicions of their veracity (I thought it was only ONE poster) -- they talked of an "innocent" upbringing in the "company town" of the refinery in the 60's. When did Aruba become a tourist destination? To be frank, until about 4-5 years ago -- I didn't even know where Aruba was! I kind of thought it might be near Spain or something (maybe off the coast of Africa.)
When did Aruba become an island of vice? Was it when the Casinos and "off-shore" gambling enter? Did it start with drug trafficing in the 70's?  I just don't have a feel for it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2006, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
New Front Page Post:

Aruban Investigation: Paulus Van der Sloot Pulling in the Favors


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/27/aruban-investigation-paulus-van-der-sloot-pulling-in-the-favors/

(Nice job Klaas ;)


Lets remember what Gerold Dompig had to say anout Paulus:

Troy Roberts (CBS): Do you believe Paulus Van Der Sloot knows more than he has been telling?
Gerold Dompig: Yes I Do…


In case you guys missed my latest chart  :wink:


Klaas,  great chart and matching time line.  You are incredible!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 28, 2006, 12:01:19 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Klaas:
Quote
At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"? Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

Great question!! I have certainly wondered that as well. Back in the early RWV days there were a couple of posters that purported to have grown-up on Aruba that now live in the U.S.  Although I had a few suspicions of their veracity (I thought it was only ONE poster) -- they talked of an "innocent" upbringing in the "company town" of the refinery in the 60's. When did Aruba become a tourist destination? To be frank, until about 4-5 years ago -- I didn't even know where Aruba was! I kind of thought it might be near Spain or something (maybe off the coast of Africa.)
When did Aruba become an island of vice? Was it when the Casinos and "off-shore" gambling enter? Did it start with drug trafficing in the 70's?  I just don't have a feel for it!


The most I knew about Aruba was it was a tropical island and that it was mentioned in a song!  Was it Barry Manilow?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 28, 2006, 12:03:46 AM
casa:
Quote
The most I knew about Aruba was it was a tropical island and that it was mentioned in a song! Was it Barry Manilow?

I think the song was "Kokomo" by the Beach Boys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 28, 2006, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
casa:
Quote
The most I knew about Aruba was it was a tropical island and that it was mentioned in a song! Was it Barry Manilow?

I think the song was "Kokomo" by the Beach Boys.


That sounds right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 28, 2006, 12:08:05 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"

At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"?  Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

When Paulus arrived...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"?  Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

When Paulus arrived...

When was that??  Was it about 16 years ago?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"

makes me think also that culturally as a rape victem she is now a marked or worthless female within thier society. A somewhat archaic belief that many islanders in the caribbean have. I know because i come fro PR.  Many familys are obsessed with thier daughters who are of marriagable age must be virgins or she has lost some value within thier culture.  I believe they should not propegate that thought but instead lay blame where it belongs in the-- wrongdoing of the rapists.


Aruba is just plain nutz.  If the girls all dress like they do in their tickle/zorpia/myspace photos, I doubt there are many virgins left on that island.  I feel so sad for that young girl in the article. I cannot imagine the sheer humility of being raped first by an adult and then by her schoolmates while others stood around watching and taking photos of it.  When & where did this occur that no one cared enough to help this young girl?  Then to have the photographs circulated around the island for everyone to see.  And her parents do nothing except to agree to send her to school off the island? Aruba claimed it had no crime prior to the disappearance of NH. Anyone who has traveled to that island better be glad they made it home safely.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 28, 2006, 12:12:14 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
Klaas:
Quote
At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"? Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

Great question!! I have certainly wondered that as well. Back in the early RWV days there were a couple of posters that purported to have grown-up on Aruba that now live in the U.S.  Although I had a few suspicions of their veracity (I thought it was only ONE poster) -- they talked of an "innocent" upbringing in the "company town" of the refinery in the 60's. When did Aruba become a tourist destination? To be frank, until about 4-5 years ago -- I didn't even know where Aruba was! I kind of thought it might be near Spain or something (maybe off the coast of Africa.)
When did Aruba become an island of vice? Was it when the Casinos and "off-shore" gambling enter? Did it start with drug trafficing in the 70's?  I just don't have a feel for it!


It obviously was big in the 70's because I have a single aunt who vacationed Aruba/Curacao a few years in a row..she favored the casinos, per the convesations we had back then.  She's 80 now, so I'm not sure she'd have info that would help us, but I could try next time we speak.

I left but looked back and saw this...it is a good question, wreck.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 12:14:57 AM
Hello, Monkeys! I'll never catch up, but wanted to say hello to everyone!

I've been gone a week, and started out in Fla. and ended up in Knoxville. My 34 yr. old neice had a sudden massive heart attack 2 days ago. She's still living but there is no brain activity.

I'm going to see if I can catch up with the flow of discussion, and see if I can find Klaas's chart referred to..............


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hello, Monkeys! I'll never catch up, but wanted to say hello to everyone!

I've been gone a week, and started out in Fla. and ended up in Knoxville. My 34 yr. old neice had a sudden massive heart attack 2 days ago. She's still living but there is no brain activity.

I'm going to see if I can catch up with the flow of discussion, and see if I can find Klaas's chart referred to..............


OMG, CBB I'm so sorry  :cry:  34 years old, she's so young it's so very sad.

Chart is on the front page.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: igsigs on July 28, 2006, 12:18:15 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"?  Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

When Paulus arrived...

When was that??  Was it about 16 years ago?

That sounds right. His arrival coincided with the tourism boom of the early 90's. Which in turn provided great cover for the well documented illicit banking and drug industries already established. Aruba has been like a ongoing party that finally went too far...somebody finally called the cops. If only the cops would act.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: casa on July 28, 2006, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hello, Monkeys! I'll never catch up, but wanted to say hello to everyone!

I've been gone a week, and started out in Fla. and ended up in Knoxville. My 34 yr. old neice had a sudden massive heart attack 2 days ago. She's still living but there is no brain activity.

I'm going to see if I can catch up with the flow of discussion, and see if I can find Klaas's chart referred to..............


How awful!  My prayers are with you, her and her family!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 28, 2006, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hello, Monkeys! I'll never catch up, but wanted to say hello to everyone!

I've been gone a week, and started out in Fla. and ended up in Knoxville. My 34 yr. old neice had a sudden massive heart attack 2 days ago. She's still living but there is no brain activity.

I'm going to see if I can catch up with the flow of discussion, and see if I can find Klaas's chart referred to..............


So sorry to hear of your neice's illness...so young.  God bless her and all of you.  Klaas's chart is on the FP.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 12:19:40 AM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "mishy"


He must be a bluthering idiot, dontcha think? Where did he get his license to be a judge? A freakin box of wheaties??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


nope same box of cheerios that PVDS did


And dumb lug Dennis Jacobs was looking in the Corn Flakes box.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 12:19:42 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hello, Monkeys! I'll never catch up, but wanted to say hello to everyone!

I've been gone a week, and started out in Fla. and ended up in Knoxville. My 34 yr. old neice had a sudden massive heart attack 2 days ago. She's still living but there is no brain activity.

I'm going to see if I can catch up with the flow of discussion, and see if I can find Klaas's chart referred to..............


OMG, CBB I'm so sorry  :cry:  34 years old, she's so young it's so very sad.

Chart is on the front page.


Thx Klaas..............I too, just don't understand.

I'm going to the front page and appreciate the direction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: nonesuche on July 28, 2006, 12:19:58 AM
Oh CBB, we will keep your neice in our prayers, how sad for your family. I am so very sorry to hear this.

I am heading out now, many prayers to finish, gosh CBB - sending HUGS.

Thank you dear monkeys for all of your kindness today, so very much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 28, 2006, 12:22:12 AM
CBB - so sorry to hear about your niece.  Hugs to you..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 12:24:10 AM
Thank you, everyone for your warm thoughts................this is so hard to face, but mostly I have concern for her only child who is 8 yrs. old. I don't even know exactly what to pray for, except that he will be alright.

BRB............


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 28, 2006, 12:27:22 AM
Signature Quest

Klaas wwrites:  "...I can remember a poster chiding the entire forum for about a month last June. Trying to get an answer out of anyone who could find out WHO was the one who signed the paper to arrest the Security Guards..who was responsible for NOT detaining JK2 on June 1st or 2nd? That chiding finally made me search for the answer. The answer was KARIN JANSSEN..."

Klaas!

Don't embarass me that way.  

Chided?  There was a poster who delivered the double-entendre "signature quest" as headline for this effort...and forced further work on same.  It was the spur of knowledge that forced me to engage what was evident.

T'was poster "Peaches" who spurred "American Pie", in fact.  She shamed me into laying it out.  She later referred to herself as "little people" on thread.  I say NO.  She's a HERO.  She made those who could analyze to do so.  T'was poster "NM" who helped confirm Satish's favorite movies on tickle.

Many more examples exist -- as you know so well.

Thanks for embarassing me.  And please do so again.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 12:29:40 AM
KLAAS! That's a Wonderful Chart!!! It helps so, so much to have it layed out that way! You did a great job with it! I have a question: I can't remember exactly who Ben King is?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 12:29:48 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ono - I think that post of Hammer's is from Deetch's site, or the boycott site.  One or the other.  Yes, would make a great full page ad.


Let's all pitch in and buy a full page ad in the NY times.  Then the NY judge will probably see it.  We have to include this latest article as translated by Sandy L as well as other articles like the one about Pitbull.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:31:45 AM
HAMMER - In June 2005, at the time of your "chiding" I was still of the belief that ALE would conduct a professional investigation.  I didn't see the corruption as soon as you did.  It was your "chiding" that made me open my eyes and I thank you for it.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 28, 2006, 12:31:48 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ono - I think that post of Hammer's is from Deetch's site, or the boycott site.  One or the other.  Yes, would make a great full page ad.


Let's all pitch in and buy a full page ad in the NY times.  Then the NY judge will probably see it.  We have to include this latest article as translated by Sandy L as well as other articles like the one about Pitbull.  :shock:


I am for full page ad :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:34:15 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS! That's a Wonderful Chart!!! It helps so, so much to have it layed out that way! You did a great job with it! I have a question: I can't remember exactly who Ben King is?

Ben King, or Ben Vocking was involved in the Alex Mathews case.  

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/view_release.php?id=12239


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 28, 2006, 12:35:40 AM
Happy Birthday, Nonesuche --

I know I'm catching up late on this one, nonesuche.

May All Your Dreams Come True...


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sue on July 28, 2006, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
KLAAS! That's a Wonderful Chart!!! It helps so, so much to have it layed out that way! You did a great job with it! I have a question: I can't remember exactly who Ben King is?

Ben King, or Ben Vocking was involved in the Alex Mathews case.  

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
http://newsroom.eworldwire.com/view_release.php?id=12239


The guy that wrote this article would be interesting on Dana's show


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 28, 2006, 12:38:42 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
 Thanks for embarassing me.  And please do so again.

.


Oh, we like to embarass when it actually contains a hidden compliment   :wink:

Hammer, you deserve big kudos for your unending quest for details...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: the big hammer on July 28, 2006, 12:58:01 AM
And you ...

Slueth writes:  Oh, we like to embarass when it actually contains a hidden compliment  

And to you special thanks...

It was you who forced "mill resort" on loco stefy thread after I incorrectly identified holiday inn.

I know we both hope that "reponsible authorities" observed same -- and I'm sure they did.

Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 01:06:21 AM
I remember Ben King now. Thanks for the reminder, Klaas and Sue. The explanation just makes the chart even more revealing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

At what point did evil take over this one time "happy island"?  Has it been 5, 10, 20 years?

When Paulus arrived...

When was that??  Was it about 16 years ago?

That sounds right. His arrival coincided with the tourism boom of the early 90's. Which in turn provided great cover for the well documented illicit banking and drug industries already established. Aruba has been like a ongoing party that finally went too far...somebody finally called the cops. If only the cops would act.


Brief history of Aruba's economy

1824 - 1916 - Gold mined by the Dutch

1929 - US Exxon builds refinery near San Nicholas (the Lago Oil & Transport Co.  A few years later the Eagle Oil refinery is built on the Western side of the island

1950's (late) - Oranjestad became a port of call for Caribbean cruise ships, just in time for the dismantling of the Eagle Oil Refinery. Oranjestad became a port of call for Caribbean cruise ships, just in time for the dismantling of the Eagle Oil Refinery.  

1959 - First luxury hotel built

1985 - Exxon closed the Lago refinery

1986 - Aruba makes bid for automony from the Netherlands and acquired a "status aparte" (a semi autonomous state)

1988-1992 - Sicilian Mafia is alleged to buy up 60% of Aruba through investments in hotels, casino's and the election-campaign of a Prime Minister.

1991 - Coastal Oil buys and reopens Lago refinery

1996  - President Clinton put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries

1996 - Mutual decision by the Netherlands and Aruba to postpone Aruba's autonomy

2001 - following the 9/11 attacks, Aruban economy damaged by decreased air travel

2005 (May 30) - Natalee Holloway disappears while vacationing on Aruba

2006 (first quarter) - tourism is down approximately 17%


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 01:18:52 AM
Thanks Sunfreak!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 01:21:59 AM
Hey CARPE - I see you lurking  :lol:

Have you seen these new photos?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072606.gif)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranAline072606.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 01:23:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Thanks Sunfreak!


Klaas, will you fix my post, please?  I see that twice there are lines of repeating text.  Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 01:25:08 AM
Is it just my browser or are those pics of Joran & Koen defectively stuck in the half load position?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 01:26:16 AM
G'nite y'all.  Pleasant dreams.   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Is it just my browser or are those pics of Joran & Koen defectively stuck in the half load position?

It's your browser - you may need to delete your cookies.

Goodnight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sb on July 28, 2006, 01:38:37 AM
Hi evertone,

Hope my newer avatar isn't too big... I fixed it to go along w/ our margins, I thought.

Looks like we are starting to see the dam break down there with people coming forward, or at least alluding to what happened. Finally.

I am headed off to bed but it sounds like we are getting good info now. Wish I had more time to stay here tonight but I'm REALLY getting tired.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: lexie on July 28, 2006, 01:53:54 AM
I hope sb is right and people are starting to come forward.  I hope that this 16 yr old, whoever she is, has already been sent off the island so people like Dennis Jacobs will not be able to intimidate her inot changing her story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: spooky112483 on July 28, 2006, 02:06:45 AM
Hey monkeys.
It's about time this stuff was brought out in the papers. Good job Jossy.
I am watching "Indepedance Day" and with everything going on in the world today it is a must rewatch. just sub the aliens with terrorists and it is quite scary the similarities. the president just asked the alien for peace and the alien/terrorist says "no peace" president says what is it you want and alien/terrorist says "die. everyone must die"  yeah,well, if that aint what the terrorists have been saying then i'm a frog!!!!
Hope everyone had a wonderful day


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 02:13:03 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!  - see you tomorrow!


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sirensong on July 28, 2006, 03:26:52 AM
From Aruba Dirty Police:

 "New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."

There is no source posted for this, but if it is true, it makes me think of Shango's "follow the money"

This had to be planned in advance.  Let Paulus collect the money, so he can pay off VanDerStratten, Jacobs and Oduber.  Who, besides Anita would benefit  at the school?  And how does any of those donations help the people of Aruba?  I just don't understand why Interpol, the FBI, SOMEONE is not putting a stop to all this corruption.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 04:06:55 AM
I may have missed even the lateshift....  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: justinsmama on July 28, 2006, 06:36:09 AM
sirensong~ Deetch's writing is facetious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Sleuth on July 28, 2006, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Is it just my browser or are those pics of Joran & Koen defectively stuck in the half load position?

It's your browser - you may need to delete your cookies.

Goodnight!


I'm not so sure...I was thinking the half load analogy might have been correct   :wink:


Good morning, morning monkeys.  

FlyingMermaid - if you see this, I've wanted to catch you online to say how sorry I am about Kitty, and that your two new additions sound like so much fun.

TerryD - I see lobster season has started - wil FM and I be having a lobsterfest at your place??   :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Signature Quest

Klaas wwrites:  "...I can remember a poster chiding the entire forum for about a month last June. Trying to get an answer out of anyone who could find out WHO was the one who signed the paper to arrest the Security Guards..who was responsible for NOT detaining JK2 on June 1st or 2nd? That chiding finally made me search for the answer. The answer was KARIN JANSSEN..."

Klaas!

Don't embarass me that way.  

Chided?  There was a poster who delivered the double-entendre "signature quest" as headline for this effort...and forced further work on same.  It was the spur of knowledge that forced me to engage what was evident.

T'was poster "Peaches" who spurred "American Pie", in fact.  She shamed me into laying it out.  She later referred to herself as "little people" on thread.  I say NO.  She's a HERO.  She made those who could analyze to do so.  T'was poster "NM" who helped confirm Satish's favorite movies on tickle.

Many more examples exist -- as you know so well.

Thanks for embarassing me.  And please do so again.

.


Who me?  I never saw "American Pie".  Just didn't seem like my kinda movie.  Still doesn't.  But if it made somebody else think and explain, it's all good.  

Hammer, I always look for your posts.  You say what some of the rest of us only think and do it better than I can.  I like that.  You rock.  You always have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 07:57:57 AM
And a cheery good morning, y'all!  TGIF!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 08:04:13 AM
Good morning Peaches...Mere Mere...

and everyone else!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 08:44:20 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Signature Quest

Klaas wwrites:  "...I can remember a poster chiding the entire forum for about a month last June. Trying to get an answer out of anyone who could find out WHO was the one who signed the paper to arrest the Security Guards..who was responsible for NOT detaining JK2 on June 1st or 2nd? That chiding finally made me search for the answer. The answer was KARIN JANSSEN..."

Klaas!

Don't embarass me that way.  

Chided?  There was a poster who delivered the double-entendre "signature quest" as headline for this effort...and forced further work on same.  It was the spur of knowledge that forced me to engage what was evident.

T'was poster "Peaches" who spurred "American Pie", in fact.  She shamed me into laying it out.  She later referred to herself as "little people" on thread.  I say NO.  She's a HERO.  She made those who could analyze to do so.  T'was poster "NM" who helped confirm Satish's favorite movies on tickle.

Many more examples exist -- as you know so well.

Thanks for embarassing me.  And please do so again.

.


msmarple would like to take credit for "Signature Quest ... " and delighted that Big Hammer has been relentless. (Kudos for Klaas for delivering Janssen.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 28, 2006, 08:46:48 AM
American Airlines Sale (5 days -- Air Fare AND Air Fare +Hotel):
From                                   To                             Air      A + H
Chicago O'Hare, IL (ORD)     Aruba, Aruba (AUA)    $435/ $808


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 28, 2006, 08:47:03 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Going back to read what I may have missed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 28, 2006, 08:49:58 AM
Sorry!
Round Trip Air = $408
Round Trip Air PLUS Hotel  = $808

(5 days)
This is from Chicago (not NY to match Jet Blue)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 28, 2006, 08:54:26 AM
Morning Monkey's!
Only have 15 minutes and then off to work but have 2 questions about wto fp posters.
Oh shoot..didn't write his name but the guy that keeps bring up 444 Brickel Ave in Fl. Does it look now like that is Bangbus's head quarter's too?

And Miss Daisy seems to know bunches!! Any idea what she is referncing whne she brings up the desalinization plant?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 08:54:54 AM
Good morning monkeys!

Those of us in Atlanta area have been following the story of Jennifer Ewing, a 54 yr old Sandy Springs woman who bicycled 3-4 times a week on the Silver Comet Trail. (Trail named for the former railroad track - it was paved over to form an 80-mile pedestrian/cycling path; goes from North Atlanta Metro area to the Alabama state line. Very pretty, popular venue.)

Sharing here as another example of the repeat nature of these offenses. (However, the suspect has not been charged yet.)

Excerpts:

DALLAS, Ga. -- Authorities in Paulding County say a cyclist who was attacked and killed along the Silver Comet Trail died of blunt force injury to the head and chest.

Jennifer Ewing's body was found Wednesday in woods not far from the trail.

<snip>

Police have named Michael Ledford as a suspect in Ewing's murder.

Investigators arrested him on Tuesday on a probation violation.

Ledford is a convicted rapist who served ten years in prison for an attack on another woman. He was released from prison in 2001 and is serving ten years probation.

Ledford went to the Dallas Police Department at 3:00 p.m. on Tuesday bleeding profusely from a wound in his genital area, investigators with the Dallas Police Department told Channel 2 Action News.

Police say Ledford claimed he was negotiating with a prostitute for sex when she bit him on his genitals.

Officers took him to the hospital for treatment.

When investigators heard reports that night about Ewing’s disappearance they began questioning Ledford.

The 54-year-old Ewing routinely rode a 50-mile round trip portion of the trail several times a week. Her husband reported her missing Tuesday evening after she did not return from one of her routine bicycle rides.

Her body was found Wednesday morning.

Maj. Tom Murphy of the Paulding County Sheriff's Office said there was "obvious trauma" to the head and body, making the initial identification difficult.

Officials say Ewing died of blunt force trauma to her head and chest.

Paulding County Sheriff's Department Colonel Jim Walker says the body was partially clothed and there were signs of a struggle.

Walker says officers found a pair of black spandex riding shorts on a patch of kudzu near where the body was found -- about 40 feet from the paved trail. Officers also found a bicycle nearby.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9583095/detail.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 09:01:25 AM
And here is a followup on another case we have discussed ...

NEW YORK (AP) -- A drifter is accused of killing a suburban teenage girl who got lost after a night of clubbing in Manhattan and whose body was later found in a New Jersey trash bin.

A New Jersey judge signed an arrest warrant Thursday charging Draymond Coleman, 35, in the slaying of Jennifer Moore, 18, whose body was found earlier in the day in West New York, N.J., authorities said.

Coleman, 35, was taken into custody at a hotel in Manhattan. He has done time on a drug charge, and police said he has prior arrests for robbery and assault. It was not known if he had a lawyer.

New York police think Moore was lured or forced into a taxi along a major roadway along Manhattan's west side, where she was last seen walking alone early Tuesday, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. Her killer took her to a motel and strangled her, the official said.

Officials said surveillance video from the motel in Weehawken, N.J., showed Coleman entering the building with Moore early Tuesday, according to published reports Friday.

http://tinyurl.com/sxz2t


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Leslie on July 28, 2006, 09:04:47 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/July/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/

Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 09:06:40 AM
Ms Marple, it makes one afraid to leave the house!  And I live OTP.....outside the Perimeter.  

This piece of trash was denied parole three times.  Then released.  How nice for us all.  Someone should insist that the people making the decision to let these animals out should also let them move in..... to their neighborhood.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
Bleeding from a wound in his genitals - sounds like she was not going without a fight.


I am starting to be afraid of doing anything alone!

Two sad stories.

Morning Monkeys!  Happy Friday (as happy as it can be) :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 09:36:34 AM
Sleuth - Got your message and appreciate your thoughts - the girls are quite lively and i think they would adore an invitation to Terry's for some fresh lobster.

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 09:37:38 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Ms Marple, it makes one afraid to leave the house!  And I live OTP.....outside the Perimeter.  


Peaches - This suspect lives in Hiram - not far from where the body was found. (Thats's OTP too, of course.)

Doesn't really matter where you live. The crazies are everywhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: mrs. red on July 28, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Bleeding from a wound in his genitals - sounds like she was not going without a fight.


I am starting to be afraid of doing anything alone!

Two sad stories.

Morning Monkeys!  Happy Friday (as happy as it can be) :(


Morning y'all..... I don't think it's safe to do that kind of thing alone anymore, FM... you are right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Good morning, Monkeys!

GREAT Front Page, Red!

And Klaas, that "Favors" chart is wonderful!!!!

Truly makes ya wonder how Paulus can even begin to expect $300,000 in damages...  But then again ~ reading Judge Smidt's (I'm pulling the right name from memory, aren't I?) ruling on another case the other day ~ both he and Joran can expect big bucks!!!


And I think that's the heart of the whole problem ~ the judges...

pftttt...  then again ~ all the Aruban Dutch officials surrounding Paulus are a problem ~ as well as his friends in high places in ALE...

What isn't a problem over there in Aruba...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Ms Marple, it makes one afraid to leave the house!  And I live OTP.....outside the Perimeter.  


Peaches - This suspect lives in Hiram - not far from where the body was found. (Thats's OTP too, of course.)

Doesn't really matter where you live. The crazies are everywhere.


I know, Hiram is way out there from me.  I wish the parole people would get smart and start keeping some these creeps in jail.  IMO, we are wasting valuable prison space on "property crimes" and letting too many who are guilty of "crimes against persons" out to do it again.  The only thing you learn in prison is how to be a better criminal.  Put these "property crime" criminals on a road gang and let them work it off.  Put the other people who can't behave themselves without harming other people in jail.  And then leave them there.  I don't care how long they sit.  Take away their TV, books, cigarettes, coffee and anything else that keeps them entertained and give them something else to do.  Like make license plates.  Or grow vegetables to feed the prison.  Just don't let them out anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Morning Monkey's!
Only have 15 minutes and then off to work but have 2 questions about wto fp posters.
Oh shoot..didn't write his name but the guy that keeps bring up 444 Brickel Ave in Fl. Does it look now like that is Bangbus's head quarter's too?

And Miss Daisy seems to know bunches!! Any idea what she is referncing whne she brings up the desalinization plant?


Good morning, ldstlou!  I'm sorry ~ I don't have an answer for you ~ but I did want to say good morning!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "mishy"

Wooo Hooo!! Glad to see you found your avi, Iggy  8)

Thanks mi dushi Mishy :)
I was gonna let it fade away...it can be too much even for me...but i saw it mentioned a few times today and said...what the hey! Give the people what they want.


 :D Glad you relented!! It's a great one!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: blah on July 28, 2006, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: "sirensong"
From Aruba Dirty Police:

 "New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."

There is no source posted for this, but if it is true, it makes me think of Shango's "follow the money"

This had to be planned in advance.  Let Paulus collect the money, so he can pay off VanDerStratten, Jacobs and Oduber.  Who, besides Anita would benefit  at the school?  And how does any of those donations help the people of Aruba?  I just don't understand why Interpol, the FBI, SOMEONE is not putting a stop to all this corruption.




the statement by Dennis Jacobs "how much money do you have" has come full circle and is crystal clear.   Paulus was the highest bidder and even managed to use tax dollars to pay for it.

People of Aruba - WAKE UP !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Ms Marple, it makes one afraid to leave the house!  And I live OTP.....outside the Perimeter.  


Peaches - This suspect lives in Hiram - not far from where the body was found. (Thats's OTP too, of course.)

Doesn't really matter where you live. The crazies are everywhere.


I know, Hiram is way out there from me.  I wish the parole people would get smart and start keeping some these creeps in jail.  IMO, we are wasting valuable prison space on "property crimes" and letting too many who are guilty of "crimes against persons" out to do it again.  The only thing you learn in prison is how to be a better criminal.  Put these "property crime" criminals on a road gang and let them work it off.  Put the other people who can't behave themselves without harming other people in jail.  And then leave them there.  I don't care how long they sit.  Take away their TV, books, cigarettes, coffee and anything else that keeps them entertained and give them something else to do.  Like make license plates.  Or grow vegetables to feed the prison.  Just don't let them out anymore.


Excellent suggestion, Peaches...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 09:50:20 AM
They are criminals - they are born liars andcon artists - they con the Parole Board into thinking they are rehabilitated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "sirensong"
From Aruba Dirty Police:

 "New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."

There is no source posted for this, but if it is true, it makes me think of Shango's "follow the money"

This had to be planned in advance.  Let Paulus collect the money, so he can pay off VanDerStratten, Jacobs and Oduber.  Who, besides Anita would benefit  at the school?  And how does any of those donations help the people of Aruba?  I just don't understand why Interpol, the FBI, SOMEONE is not putting a stop to all this corruption.




the statement by Dennis Jacobs "how much money do you have" has come full circle and is crystal clear.   Paulus was the highest bidder and even managed to use tax dollars to pay for it.

People of Aruba - WAKE UP !!


Oh my God...  if true...  that post of Deetch's just makes me sick...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
They are criminals - they are born liars andcon artists - they con the Parole Board into thinking they are rehabilitated.


Mermaid...  I just gotta tell you what my cat, Friska did his first days when living here...

Drive-by food snatch

I was eating at kitchen table ~ food on my fork, midway from the plate to my mouth...  this cat/kitten jumped up onto the table, ran by and grabbed the food right off my fork, and then ran off the other side of the table...

 :lol:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 09:56:18 AM
Quote
From Aruba Dirty Police:

"New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."


I am thinking this is some of Deetch's sarcasm ????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: blah on July 28, 2006, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "sirensong"
From Aruba Dirty Police:

 "New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."

There is no source posted for this, but if it is true, it makes me think of Shango's "follow the money"

This had to be planned in advance.  Let Paulus collect the money, so he can pay off VanDerStratten, Jacobs and Oduber.  Who, besides Anita would benefit  at the school?  And how does any of those donations help the people of Aruba?  I just don't understand why Interpol, the FBI, SOMEONE is not putting a stop to all this corruption.




the statement by Dennis Jacobs "how much money do you have" has come full circle and is crystal clear.   Paulus was the highest bidder and even managed to use tax dollars to pay for it.

People of Aruba - WAKE UP !!


Oh my God...  if true...  that post of Deetch's just makes me sick...



is there anyway possible to verify this story is accurate?


I dont know how much Anita has to benefit, but this is payment for the lying the headmaster did to cover for the murderer Joran Van Der Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 09:57:56 AM
Katz, it's not even an original suggestion.  Where I grew up, the state prison was maybe 6 miles away....right down the highway.  They have a farm, raise their own meat, vegetables,etc. and they make license plates.  And work the road detail.  Keeps them outta trouble.  I assume they still have the farm etc.  I don't care how you keep the inmates busy.  Just keep them.  Their chance to live outside is over.  Hate it for them.  Sympathy for the convicts because they had a less than ideal childhood?  No.  Hate it for them.  Life sucks a little bit for everybody one way or another.

Protect me, my family, my friends, all other innocent people.  The convicts are lost to us as a resource as they probably were to begin with.  It's all too frustrating.  Take a look at the decisions being made by your local judges.  Are they good decisions?  Are these judges elected?  If they make poor choices, your only choice is to vote the "throw the bum out" ticket and keep on voting them out until things are clearned up.  

I know, sounds easier than it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: blah on July 28, 2006, 09:58:04 AM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.


wasnt there a blown up picture showing them unloading a matress??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 09:59:58 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "sirensong"
From Aruba Dirty Police:

 "New South Wales: Paulus van der sloot has told associates that he plans to donate his compensation from a defamation suit to various entities in Aruba. "The good people of Aruba have suffered enough and want to do what I can to help ease the pain" said the elder Van der sloot. "I think the Police Union, The International School, Dennis Jacobs and a donation to Nelson Oduber are the most likely recipients of my largesse."

There is no source posted for this, but if it is true, it makes me think of Shango's "follow the money"

This had to be planned in advance.  Let Paulus collect the money, so he can pay off VanDerStratten, Jacobs and Oduber.  Who, besides Anita would benefit  at the school?  And how does any of those donations help the people of Aruba?  I just don't understand why Interpol, the FBI, SOMEONE is not putting a stop to all this corruption.




the statement by Dennis Jacobs "how much money do you have" has come full circle and is crystal clear.   Paulus was the highest bidder and even managed to use tax dollars to pay for it.

People of Aruba - WAKE UP !!


Oh my God...  if true...  that post of Deetch's just makes me sick...


Katz!!!  It's satire.  A literary device.  It's not true.  Most of his stuff is satire designed to make one think.  I think he writes some amazing stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: blah on July 28, 2006, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"

Katz!!!  It's satire.  A literary device.  It's not true.  Most of his stuff is satire designed to make one think.  I think he writes some amazing stuff.


your kidding?

damn i got all worked up over a friggen joke?  

I'm glad you said something, my blood was about to boil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 28, 2006, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.

I guess I'm too simple-minded ~ I wonder why no one has questioned the furniture movers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Peaches"

Katz!!!  It's satire.  A literary device.  It's not true.  Most of his stuff is satire designed to make one think.  I think he writes some amazing stuff.


your kidding?

damn i got all worked up over a friggen joke?  

I'm glad you said something, my blood was about to boil.


Are you making fun of me?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
Great article on Andrea Yates...  it seems to be leaning in your direction, Mrs. Red... I've only read the first page so far... but I wanted to share it with the Monkeys...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2245394&page=1

And, I've taken part in that Depravity Scale questionnaire mentioned in the article...  Now, as they develop new parts ~ they send me an email inviting me to participate further...

http://depravityscale.org

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

And, it's starting out a very Purple Cool day ~ I'm grabbing screen-shots from "Sign 'O' The Times" ~ "Hot Thing" is taking forever, because there's all too many shots in that one that I think are wonderful...  eventually, I'll pick one shot for each song on the video, and make a CD label and DVD cover design...


Tonight though ~ back to work...  I wish I had another week...  I've finally go to relaxing...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:12:07 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.

I guess I'm too simple-minded ~ I wonder why no one has questioned the furniture movers?


When it came to our attention, I believe we were on the furniture like stink on poop.  Talked about it alot.  Somebody said that same company delivered dog food as well as furniture.  Yeah, right.  All furniture stores deliver dog food with your coffee table.  Not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.


wasnt there a blown up picture showing them unloading a matress??


Hi Blah!  Oooh, I must have missed that picture. Was there??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
They are criminals - they are born liars andcon artists - they con the Parole Board into thinking they are rehabilitated.


Mermaid...  I just gotta tell you what my cat, Friska did his first days when living here...

Drive-by food snatch

I was eating at kitchen table ~ food on my fork, midway from the plate to my mouth...  this cat/kitten jumped up onto the table, ran by and grabbed the food right off my fork, and then ran off the other side of the table...

 :lol:  :roll:


 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 10:17:20 AM
:oops: I forgot about Deetch's satire....  Never gotten caught by it before...   :lol:  :oops:  oh how goofy of me!!!!!  But ~ I really could imagine Paulus making that announcement!!!!!!!

Peaches ~ The judges aren't easy...  some times there's only one name on the ballot...  hummmm  and how does one go about getting the record of how different cases went that a judge presided over...  hummmm  this is a thought...

I don't know ~ but it seems that those of us that care enough to be here ought to be able to do something to help bring about a change in sentencing...  or something...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 10:23:24 AM
If you think about it, females have been prey since time immemorial as men have more physical strength.....that's just a fact of life.  I think girls should learn karate in junior high, as that would surely help them defend themselves.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Ms Marple, it makes one afraid to leave the house!  And I live OTP.....outside the Perimeter.  

This piece of trash was denied parole three times.  Then released.  How nice for us all.  Someone should insist that the people making the decision to let these animals out should also let them move in..... to their neighborhood.


I agree, but the criminals most likely cannot afford the neighborhoods of the lawmakers & the parole board members.  I am glad that Sonny Purdue is getting tough on the sex crime felons by dictating where they can or cannot live.

Incidentally, the Fulton Co court house shooter was caught less that 3 miles from where I live.  It was freaky, b/c my dogs & I could sense his presence nearby.  I had an eerie feeling of apprehension & unrest. The dogs paced & seemed more alert.  I was so relieved when he was caught but was spooked when I found out how close he had been.   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.

I guess I'm too simple-minded ~ I wonder why no one has questioned the furniture movers?


When it came to our attention, I believe we were on the furniture like stink on poop.  Talked about it alot.  Somebody said that same company delivered dog food as well as furniture.  Yeah, right.  All furniture stores deliver dog food with your coffee table.  Not.


Who told us they deliver dog food Peaches? - it was prolly one our then esteemed and revered Aruban posters trying to throw us off the truth!

Makes me wonder. :roll:

By the way I don't think anybody is making fun of you.

How is the weather today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Is it just my browser or are those pics of Joran & Koen defectively stuck in the half load position?


I cleared my cookies as you suggested, but Koen & Joran are still stuck at 1/2 load and Joran & the girl & Joran doesn't show at all anymore.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:32:34 AM
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:35:56 AM
Mermaid, another hot and hazy one here in ATL.  

I don't remember who told us about the dog food.  Klaas probably does.  And you're right, it was undoubtedly someone from the island trying to protect the delicious sporter and his family because they are such pillars of the community and such lovely people.  Gag me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 28, 2006, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: "tcumom"
Quote from: "Ono"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - we don't know what the furniture truck was doing there.


But has that thought ever occurred to you before?  I know I am probably the last one to make that connection... but when I read your chart, it became so clear...


You are so right...I also have wondered what else was being delivered/replaced.

I guess I'm too simple-minded ~ I wonder why no one has questioned the furniture movers?


I bet there are alot of people that could be questioned but have not - Hell, they barely got around to questioning (If you want to call it that) those very possibly involved - Koen(thru his dad), Freddy etc.

There has been such a LACK of investigation.  I find myself asking - for example - wonder if they questioned JOran's classmates, Halley - the police officer etc. - then I catch myself and realize - hey this is ALE I am talking about.  

There's alot of questions to be answered and people to ask them to, but until we have someone who will ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS, well, we will have no answers. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: "KatzHome"


Drive-by food snatch

I was eating at kitchen table ~ food on my fork, midway from the plate to my mouth...  this cat/kitten jumped up onto the table, ran by and grabbed the food right off my fork, and then ran off the other side of the table...
:lol:  :roll:


My cat did that one Thanksgiving. She streaked across the table & grabbed a big hunk of turkey.   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:38:15 AM
Sunfreak, the day of the courthouse shooting, my entire office was in Buckhead for a luncheon right on Peachtree!  I was freaking out.  I didn't want to miss lunch but it was a weird day to be in Buckhead.....or anywhere else!

Dogs always know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 10:38:16 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.


I so agree with you about Rusty...
He knew his wife had issues to say the least yet he left his 5 kids with her all day, everyday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.


Well...the "kicker" to me was his self-absorbed statement the other day afterward in front of the courthouse that he and Andrea were the losers because of her crime..........excuse me---the CHILDREN were the losers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.


I so agree with you about Rusty...
He knew his wife had issues to say the least yet he left his 5 kids with her all day, everyday.


Because it's all about Rusty!  Always will be.  He probably thinks his masculinity and his self-worth is related to how many children he has fathered.  Good grief.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Mermaid, another hot and hazy one here in ATL.  

I don't remember who told us about the dog food.  Klaas probably does.  And you're right, it was undoubtedly someone from the island trying to protect the delicious sporter and his family because they are such pillars of the community and such lovely people.  Gag me.


If memory serves me correctly, I do believe it was one of the Aruban posters as I was only reading then but almost fell out of my chair.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: KatzHome on July 28, 2006, 10:44:47 AM
I think I'm going to jump up and end my vacation with going to Mass...  See ya Monkeys in a little while ~ love you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.


I so agree with you about Rusty...
He knew his wife had issues to say the least yet he left his 5 kids with her all day, everyday.


Because it's all about Rusty!  Always will be.  He probably thinks his masculinity and his self-worth is related to how many children he has fathered.  Good grief.


I think he is a very shallow person and she has a vile temper. Those children were so precious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "KatzHome"


Drive-by food snatch

I was eating at kitchen table ~ food on my fork, midway from the plate to my mouth...  this cat/kitten jumped up onto the table, ran by and grabbed the food right off my fork, and then ran off the other side of the table...
:lol:  :roll:


My cat did that one Thanksgiving. She streaked across the table & grabbed a big hunk of turkey.   :lol:  :lol:


She could have at least worn her little Pilgrim outfit! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on July 28, 2006, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Are these judges elected?  If they make poor choices, your only choice is to vote the "throw the bum out" ticket and keep on voting them out until things are clearned up.  

I know, sounds easier than it is.


Peaches & Ms Marple -
 I agree, but unfortunately the poliically & socially connected ones continue to be relected.  How many times did Josea Williams get arrested for driving under the influence? And they did nothing.  I can't remember the judges name (or what county) that was arrested for DUI several times and was able to stay on the bench. I know that when attorneys and
physicians, etc get a DUI, they have to go a drug rehab program.  Why not our Congressmen, Judges & other dignataries?  I'm tired of the favoratism.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 28, 2006, 10:48:26 AM
Katz - Just wanted to tell you I got your e-mails - I have only had time to download the 1st - Great pic of his purpleness...You have a great tallent!  I will try to view the others - Work sucks today - don't people know that Friday is supposed to be an easy day?   Oh well.

Ono, I agree with you - Self Defense courses should be Mandatory in school - part of the physical education ciriculum.  In elementary school, it should be for all children - they need to be empowered and know what to do when a stranger comes up to them.

Sometimes on the news we hear of "attempted" abductions - where the kids knew the right things to do to keep from being a victim.  We need to be sure ALL kids know. It is a scary world we live in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 10:51:05 AM
Just my 2 cents about Andrea Yates.

If she was so crazy as to kill the children and so distraught over it why not kill herself?  Wouldn't that make sense?  So she could be with them?

I think she is evil not crazy. :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: tcumom on July 28, 2006, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks for posting that Yates article.  My what a grocery list of things!  I think she's nuts.  I don't care what they do with her as long as she does not have any more kids or the opportunity to be around anybody else's kids.  She needs medication and a quiet room to sit in until she's called home.  

What hacks me off about the Yates case is that Rusty knew she was unstable and she had been told not to have any more kids and did it anyway.  For my money, Rusty contributed to what happened by putting his head in the sand or wherever it was while this was going on right in front of him.  He kept right on knocking her up after he had been told it was unwise.  No wonder he's grinning at the back of the courtroom.  He's moved on.  Andrea will never be able to move on. And maybe she shouldn't.

I posted something the other day about him.....he creeps me out.  Did you hear his reply when asked what he would say to Andrea....."congratulations" ......ugh.
Also, remember he wanted them to live in an old bus......he is a jerk....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 28, 2006, 10:58:53 AM
Morning monkeys.

Just doing a drive by before I get to work.

I pray for good news soon.

Flying Mermaid -- I posted a few pics in the Lounge of when my youngest who are now 4 were babies. Thanks to digital cameras I have properly journaled their growth to adulthood :D  But I only posted a few from when I brought them home at about 3-4 weeks.

This is to 'encourage' you to PLEASE post pics of your new babies.

Pretty please? (Yo Brooklyn -- post the kitty pics :lol: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: wreck on July 28, 2006, 11:05:05 AM
Another case in Texas awhile back where the mother killed her own boys was "Darlie Routier." The husband in that case was just as odd acting and seemed to be more concerned about his wife than their dead kids. It totally dumbfounds me!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Morning monkeys.

Just doing a drive by before I get to work.

I pray for good news soon.

Flying Mermaid -- I posted a few pics in the Lounge of when my youngest who are now 4 were babies. Thanks to digital cameras I have properly journaled their growth to adulthood :D  But I only posted a few from when I brought them home at about 3-4 weeks.

This is to 'encourage' you to PLEASE post pics of your new babies.

Pretty please? (Yo Brooklyn -- post the kitty pics :lol: )


I am gonna go look at ya cats in the lounge- Digital camera was in Mr. Mermaids office overnight had a great photo opp with the two of them asleep on the windowsill.  this weekend def and for sure!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 11:17:27 AM
SunFreak2 - Just mentioning that I wasn't part of the discussion on judges - I guess I was part of a quote stack.

I will say, however, that "Justice System" seems to be an oxymoron.

Don't get me started on Rusty Yates, but - yes, it's always been All About Me. IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 11:29:46 AM
Ms Marple - are you all alone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Just my 2 cents about Andrea Yates.

If she was so crazy as to kill the children and so distraught over it why not kill herself?  Wouldn't that make sense?  So she could be with them?

I think she is evil not crazy. :twisted:


I followed this recent trial reading the Houston Chronicle online articles mostly every day (as much as I could stomach it) and the night before she committed these murders she decided to do this.  I think she is evil too and they are both selfish and irresponsible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Ono on July 28, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Katz - Just wanted to tell you I got your e-mails - I have only had time to download the 1st - Great pic of his purpleness...You have a great tallent!  I will try to view the others - Work sucks today - don't people know that Friday is supposed to be an easy day?   Oh well.

Ono, I agree with you - Self Defense courses should be Mandatory in school - part of the physical education ciriculum.  In elementary school, it should be for all children - they need to be empowered and know what to do when a stranger comes up to them.

Sometimes on the news we hear of "attempted" abductions - where the kids knew the right things to do to keep from being a victim.  We need to be sure ALL kids know. It is a scary world we live in.


Yes, self defense courses should be mandatory and beginning in elementary school isn't too soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 28, 2006, 11:34:54 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 11:39:13 AM
http://tinyurl.com/n2raf

Story above on unerage drinking....

Related to Jennifer Moore murder.

I saw suspect on the news last night, as he was being brought into police station...

He tried to kick reporters and photographers on his way in...

Looked like a mad dog.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


That is awesome!

If you wonderful monkeys have just a second today, could I please ask that you remember my neice's son, Hayden, in a little prayer? She was a single Mom and passed away at age 34 with a massive heart attack. He's 8 years old and was there when it happened. His Grandmother and Dad are telling him right now. Thanks guys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


That is awesome!

If you wonderful monkeys have just a second today, could I please ask that you remember my neice's son, Hayden, in a little prayer? She was a single Mom and passed away at age 34 with a massive heart attack. He's 8 years old and was there when it happened. His Grandmother and Dad are telling him right now. Thanks guys.


That's just so sad.

Sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 28, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


Hey BT!  Klaas is amazing for sure!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 11:49:08 AM
Oh My CBB condolences to you and your family.  Will say a prayer for Hayden but know that he will be alright with a winderful Great Aunt such as you to help guide him.  Love to you all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 28, 2006, 11:49:44 AM
Thanks for that Jacqueline!

Question -- when did the age change to 21 in NY? Or is that specifically the city?

I did high school in Bergen County NJ -- and at 18, we always went over the state line into NY where it was legal to drink. NJ was 21.

But it's been a number of years (decades actually) since that time.

And I remember going to Spanish Harlem clubs for some latin disco :D -- but maybe I was already 21.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 28, 2006, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


That is awesome!

If you wonderful monkeys have just a second today, could I please ask that you remember my neice's son, Hayden, in a little prayer? She was a single Mom and passed away at age 34 with a massive heart attack. He's 8 years old and was there when it happened. His Grandmother and Dad are telling him right now. Thanks guys.


CBB - I am so sorry this has happened.  I will pray for little Hayden and the rest of your family.  May God give them strength and sustain them as only He can at a time like this.  I'm so sorry.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
Thanks for that Jacqueline!

Question -- when did the age change to 21 in NY? Or is that specifically the city?

I did high school in Bergen County NJ -- and at 18, we always went over the state line into NY where it was legal to drink. NJ was 21.

But it's been a number of years (decades actually) since that time.

And I remember going to Spanish Harlem clubs for some latin disco :D -- but maybe I was already 21.


It's been back to 21 for over 25 years now.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 28, 2006, 11:51:41 AM
Thanks, FMM and Jacqueline. I've got to run, but will check in when I can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 11:53:06 AM
CBB, I am so sorry to hear about your neice.  How sad for Hayden.   He's going to need you and the rest of his family even more now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 28, 2006, 11:53:51 AM
:oops:  :oops:

Thanks Jacqueline.

I guess that sort of gives away my age range :lol:  :lol:

I did move away from the area in 1979.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 11:54:56 AM
Quote from: "sharon"
:oops:  :oops:

Thanks Jacqueline.

I guess that sort of gives away my age range :lol:  :lol:

I did move away from the area in 1979.


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: BTgirl on July 28, 2006, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi Monkeys,

I'm just posting to show off the cool thing Klaas did with the daisy in my sig line.

Is she the best or what?  :D


That is awesome!

If you wonderful monkeys have just a second today, could I please ask that you remember my neice's son, Hayden, in a little prayer? She was a single Mom and passed away at age 34 with a massive heart attack. He's 8 years old and was there when it happened. His Grandmother and Dad are telling him right now. Thanks guys.


CBB,

I am soooo sorry.  :cry:

Your family will definitely be on my prayer list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 12:06:24 PM
I think Klaas is sleeping in.  

Or ignoring the fact I am still nekkid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Ms Marple - are you all alone?


Not sure what you mean ??? At the moment I'm in a large office complex in Atlanta  :lol:  And I have a family ...

CBB - Who is going to raise Hayden? (Sorry - that's almost funny; not intended ... )

I don't want to get too personal, but I know someone who was orphaned by the time she was 8. A series of aunts and uncles "took turns" for about 5 years - unfortunately things were badly managed and she was not exactly welcome. Then, finally, another Uncle & Aunt took her in to KEEP, and all was good from then on ... it left a big void in her life, though. (This is NOT me, btw - but someone I know well.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Ms Marple - are you all alone?


Not sure what you mean ??? At the moment I'm in a large office complex in Atlanta  :lol:  And I have a family ...

CBB - Who is going to raise Hayden? (Sorry - that's almost funny; not intended ... )

I don't want to get too personal, but I know someone who was orphaned by the time she was 8. A series of aunts and uncles "took turns" for about 5 years - unfortunately things were badly managed and she was not exactly welcome. Then, finally, another Uncle & Aunt took her in to KEEP, and all was good from then on ... it left a big void in her life, though. (This is NOT me, btw - but someone I know well.)


I want to know that as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mrsn2itiv on July 28, 2006, 12:11:14 PM
TGIF Monkeys! 8)


O/T  I noticed some have avatars and some do not.  I tried to upload one last night, but nooooooooooooo, I'm still just a little ole red x

Ty,
x in the box :lol:  :wink:


ps: {{{{Big ole Monkey Hugs to All}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 12:11:33 PM
Jacquie and Sharon - if Memory serves me correctly drinking age in NY went from 18 in 80' to 19 in 81' and was then raised to 21?

I graduated HS in 79 at 18 1/2 and was legal? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: "Mrsn2itiv"
TGIF Monkeys! 8)


O/T  I noticed some have avatars and some do not.  I tried to upload one last night, but nooooooooooooo, I'm still just a little ole red x

Ty,
x in the box :lol:  :wink:


ps: {{{{Big ole Monkey Hugs to All}}}

1.  Your avatar needs to be on a site like photobucket
2.  Copy the URL (without the IMG tags) and paste it in the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.

GOODMORNING ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: msmarple on July 28, 2006, 12:14:17 PM
... and just have to jump in and say that regardless of the NYC drinking age laws, the bar's role, or even the NYPD role in events (since they "let her" wander away while dealing with the car and her friend's illness - not sure of that exact scenario) -

- had it not been 18-yr-old Jennifer Moore, it would have been someone else, of whatever age ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie and Sharon - if Memory serves me correctly drinking age in NY went from 18 in 80' to 19 in 81' and was then raised to 21?

I graduated HS in 79 at 18 1/2 and was legal? :shock:


Ya know I think you are correct.

I remember being able to get served at 18 1/2 and I graduated in 80...

It was kinda confusing though... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: flyingmermaid on July 28, 2006, 12:15:46 PM
Klaas - who told us that the truck delivering furniture at the VDS right after Nat's disappearence was delivering dog food?

Good Morning!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Klaas - who told us that the truck delivering furniture at the VDS right after Nat's disappearence was delivering dog food?

Good Morning!

I don't remember.  What I can tell you is that Dana carries more than just furniture.  For all I know they could also carry dog food and sundries in their store.  I'll see if I can search and determine who told that to us, they may have been guessing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
... and just have to jump in and say that regardless of the NYC drinking age laws, the bar's role, or even the NYPD role in events (since they "let her" wander away while dealing with the car and her friend's illness - not sure of that exact scenario) -

- had it not been 18-yr-old Jennifer Moore, it would have been someone else, of whatever age ...


I agree it seems odd she just wandered away...
But there are alot of unanswered questions.
At this particular lot, there is an inside office and it's possible she was told to wait there while the police could have been tending to the other girl who fainted...

Somehow she gave them the slip....

But this is pure speculation on my part...

I do know that the father has been very vocal , giving interviews stating that he holds no one responsible for her murder except the suspect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: sharon on July 28, 2006, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Jacquie and Sharon - if Memory serves me correctly drinking age in NY went from 18 in 80' to 19 in 81' and was then raised to 21?

I graduated HS in 79 at 18 1/2 and was legal? :shock:


Such babies, you 2 :D

I turned 21 in 1974 -- so being legal ceased to be a problem for me awhile ago. :D

But now I feel bad for all those kids growing up in the sticks of Bergen County! They can't even cross the state line for a bit of legal fun :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mrsn2itiv on July 28, 2006, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Mrsn2itiv"
TGIF Monkeys! 8)


O/T  I noticed some have avatars and some do not.  I tried to upload one last night, but nooooooooooooo, I'm still just a little ole red x

Ty,
x in the box :lol:  :wink:


ps: {{{{Big ole Monkey Hugs to All}}}

1.  Your avatar needs to be on a site like photobucket
2.  Copy the URL (without the IMG tags) and paste it in the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.

GOODMORNING ALL!
WooHoo!! TY!!!

and Good Morning  :D Klaas!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 28, 2006, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
http://tinyurl.com/n2raf

Story above on unerage drinking....

Related to Jennifer Moore murder.

I saw suspect on the news last night, as he was being brought into police station...

He tried to kick reporters and photographers on his way in...

Looked like a mad dog.


Hello all...I hope they sue the night club and shut it down!! You know when I worked for a civic group and we did fundraisers selling beer at local festivals we had to take a class on how to recognize fake id's and underaged drinkers because the people selling booze ARE responsible!! But no one is coming down on theses clubs so they don't care!!

And I am even afraid to say this...but I think I am the only one you thought Yates got the right verdict...but I have a thorough understanding of her disease...have a family member with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 28, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "sharon"
:oops:  :oops:

Thanks Jacqueline.

I guess that sort of gives away my age range :lol:  :lol:

I did move away from the area in 1979.


 :wink:


This raised my curiosity, because I couldn't remember exactly when it changed.  I did a search and found an article that said NJ changed from 19 to 21 in 1983, and then found the following in another one:

On July 17, 1984, President Ronald Reagan signed the national 21 minimum drinking age legislation into law to eliminate the deadly "blood borders" between states that had differing minimum drinking age laws. The legislation was originally introduced by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), the late-Congressman James J. Howard (D-NJ) and former Congressman Michael Barnes (D-MD) after President Reagan's Commission on Drunk Driving recommended this federal action in its final report issued in 1983. As then Secretary of Transportation, Senator Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) was the chief advocate of the federal 21 law in the Reagan Administration.

I, too, grew up in the time when NY had 18 as legal. and admit having traveled over the border to various bars & clubs with college buddies.  MY DH, however, did a lot of those trips when in HS...he lost a close friend who went off the road DUI and is lucky he survived a couple accidents, himself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
[
Hello all...I hope they sue the night club and shut it down!! You know when I worked for a civic group and we did fundraisers selling beer at local festivals we had to take a class on how to recognize fake id's and underaged drinkers because the people selling booze ARE responsible!! But no one is coming down on theses clubs so they don't care!!

And I am even afraid to say this...but I think I am the only one you thought Yates got the right verdict...but I have a thorough understanding of her disease...have a family member with it.


I think it was mentioned that they may have known the dj so got in.

But these girls were really trashed...

I thought bar tenders were suppose to cut you off if you have had way too many....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:32:22 PM
Very interresting post by a new poster at Refugees.

Casara wrote:

NATALEE: THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG?

Will Natalee Holloway ever know of the polarization, which has occurred within our Internet global society; due, to the fact she disappeared while vacationing in Aruba with her fellow graduating seniors? Will she ever know she was just the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to lies, betrayal, and loss of moral concepts within our Internet global society? Will she ever know she dominated an entire news media and Internet with the news of her every photograph and act, as she spent her years growing into a young adult?

Will she ever know how sad some of her fellow human beings have become, while awaiting the news of her return or death? OR will she ever know how despicable some of her fellow human beings have become, while awaiting the news of her return or death? Will she ever know she is just the tip of the iceberg in a society awaiting its own inevitable guilt ridden verdict?

I believe she will… and possibly does at this very moment in time. Will she become saddened by this revelation? If she is wise, she will realize she was a magnificent catalyst that unleashed humanity upon its very self…a mirror of sorts for all who dare to look at themselves and their own true motives for understanding “what truly happened to Natalee Holloway.”

Will she observe the familiar patterns of high school politics on all the Internet websites discussing her disappearance? Will she laugh, as she reads all the rumors, lies, and misconceptions? OR will she cry, as she reads all the rumors, lies, and misconceptions? Will she understand why she has sparked so much controversy?

I doubt she will be able to unveil the true energy behind such things? Afterall, she is so young…so unwise…so caught up in being a straight A honors student and a “good girl.” This is what some of the websites say about her.

Yet…possibly she will understand immediately the mission she was/in on…possibly she will have the help of much wiser beings, who have assisted her in unveiling the MASK of mankind…during this critical time on earth.

OH, I can just hear some of the Internet gurus now! “Oh, give me a break…such dramatics…she (speaking of me) should be a “romance novelist!” Yeah, I know…it is all dramatics, when one begins to speak of the truth of a soul…a soul, who’s mission on earth sparked a war in Internet politics.

It is ok with me, if you ban me…flame me…hang me up to dry…laugh till the cows come home…I could care less, as I am living my own nightmare…the least of which any of you are. I have lost my own sweet son…he is truly dead. Does he have any idea of how much I grieve his departure from this earth? I am not sure…my own deep belief tells me he does.

My own deep belief tells me Natalee Holloway understands the deep impact she has had on ALL OF US. She has probably figured out by now…whether she is alive or dead…her “missing status” has sparked a “missing status” in the morality of humanity. This lack of morality does not just apply to the USA…no, it applies to other countries…but more so…it applies to the great and miraculous INTERNET COMMUNITY.

I want to remind all of you in this “miracle of communication,” called the INTERNET…Natalee Holloway is a human being, who, whether she is alive or dead…she has suffered an unspeakable tragedy. Her family has suffered an unspeakable tragedy…inspite of what some of the Internet Blogs chat about…her mother, father, family, and friends are suffering Natalee’s absence. They wish she was sleeping in her bed…they wish she was driving away in her car (the type and make of her car is of no value whatsoever), they wish no books had to be written, and they wish no television appearances had to be made. Bottom line…is they wish she was SPENDNG TIME WITH THEM AT THIS VERY MOMENT! BELIEVE ME ON THIS…NO MONEY…NO BOOKS…NO ATTENTION COULD EVER REPLACE THE PRESENCE OF MY OWN PRECIOUS CHILD…I CAN TELL YOU THE HOLLOWAY-TWITTYS FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT NATALEE.

Wake up people of the Internet…this is not a story to be exploited…it is a truth yet to be revealed…it is a tragedy…it is an ongoing debate, of which has morphed into a MASK of monstrous proportions! What happened to Natalee Holloway, and what happened to those who care? We don’t even know what happened to Natalee yet, but is this type of hate mongering between forums just the tip of the iceberg?

(I have posted this on several forums on the Internet…we will see which ones actually DO POST IT.)

(OH BY THE WAY, I post as "Andie" on some of the other forums...for some reason I could not register as "Andie" here. I am just happy for the chance to register at all. I want to thank the forum mods for allowing me to do so.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Mrsn2itiv on July 28, 2006, 12:33:52 PM
Hey Jaq, Lil X and Big X..Are we sistahs????  :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on July 28, 2006, 12:35:34 PM
Quote from: "Mrsn2itiv"
Hey Jaq, Lil X and Big X..Are we sistahs????  :shock:  :lol:


I put a big X until everyone who updates their avatar has company! LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 28, 2006, 12:37:37 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
[
Hello all...I hope they sue the night club and shut it down!! You know when I worked for a civic group and we did fundraisers selling beer at local festivals we had to take a class on how to recognize fake id's and underaged drinkers because the people selling booze ARE responsible!! But no one is coming down on theses clubs so they don't care!!

And I am even afraid to say this...but I think I am the only one you thought Yates got the right verdict...but I have a thorough understanding of her disease...have a family member with it.


I think it was mentioned that they may have known the dj so got in.

But these girls were really trashed...

I don't care if they knew DJ..he should not have let them in...they were driving and underage and DJ puts whole place at risk. And I am sure they were trashed...friend passed out...but thats because they were youg and inexperienced drinkers. Just makes me mad...if anyone serves my son when he is 18...better believe I will have them shut down!!
So sorry...had to vent!! haha But this should not have happened to ANY 18 year old...sounds as though the friend was close to alchohol poisoning...maybe death?

I thought bar tenders were suppose to cut you off if you have had way too many....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "flyingmermaid"
Klaas - who told us that the truck delivering furniture at the VDS right after Nat's disappearence was delivering dog food?

Good Morning!

I don't remember.  What I can tell you is that Dana carries more than just furniture.  For all I know they could also carry dog food and sundries in their store.  I'll see if I can search and determine who told that to us, they may have been guessing.


Or they may have been, dare I say it?  LYING?  

Do you have my fruit in your photobucket?  Please?  TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:40:18 PM
PEACHES - here you go:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/peaches2.gif)

Copy the link below and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/peaches2.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 28, 2006, 12:41:30 PM
Jacquie, you were always a X (10), Roman numeral 101


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: Peaches on July 28, 2006, 12:43:12 PM
Thanks, Klaas.  Now I feel like myself again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:43:14 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 503

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=130


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on July 28, 2006, 12:43:31 PM
Klaasend, Andie was on a mission, and it seems she knows first hand how the family feels.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:43:42 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks, Klaas.  Now I feel like myself again.


You're welcome Peaches  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: ldstlou on July 28, 2006, 12:43:52 PM
Quote
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Very interresting post by a new poster at Refugees.

Casara wrote:

NATALEE: THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG?

 
Oh Klaas...that one made me cry...and I am answering calls at work and not allowed to cry!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #502 7/26 - 7/28/2006
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2006, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Klaasend, Andie was on a mission, and it seems she knows first hand how the family feels.

Yes I agree.  She has another post I'm going to bring over here in the new thread.