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Continuation of # 6.

We have unstickied the other Breaking News Threads. They are still there, just further down the thread list. We will keep the previous and the NEW thread stickied. (is that word? )  

Please continue the conversation here.....

I didn't realize that the arrest yesterday was related to this case....so we have 2 additional arrests total? One yesterday and one today?  Thanks americaninaruba.

So which thread are is everone one?

Fox is reporting the fourth arrest, but they are also still reporting that the decision on whether to allow Joran's father to visit him in jail has not been decided on yet.

WTH?

okay so americaninaruba  are you saying there are 2 suspects in costudy now>?  (LORENZO) and the one of today S.G.C?

So now we have fox saying the guy is son of a. businessman, b. government official.  Now, which is it?

LOL, that is what I was asking too when I discovered thread 6 was locked.

Good morning,
Good forward movement news with hope


--i'm prayn

CNN reported the name of the 4th person arrested was given up by one of the three already being held

BUSINESSMAN :)

Who is Lorenzo? Haven't heard this.

Anyone have any theories???

S_FL
Where in Florida?

I trust CNN about as much as I trust Michael Jackson at a daycare.

I JUST HEARD of this  by americaninaruba i am waiting for an answer myself, i dont know if this LORENZO guy is related to the case aswell :0)

That is interesting.

Ok i was gone for 2 minutes and now we are talking about an addition suspect on top of the one that was just arrested...ahhhh so confused...soemone fill me in please

No new therories yet, other than I have believed all along there were others involved......

There are definitely two new suspects.

The one yesterday was never said to have been "arrested' but was described as being "detained".  This might be the same thing, in Aruba.

Thanks to AmericaninAruba, we know that the one yesterday is a nutcase who could be capable of having grabbed Natalee (maybe for ransom, maybe to kidnap, maybe to sell).

The one today is another of those guys that think they are above the law.

Nobody is above the law.

AHAHAHAHHAHAAHA i needed that laugh thanks DT

the lorenzo character - hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here....but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness...

teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) - i have no idea!!!

This is really just a confirmation of what we've known all along....

The boys were let go for a week, even though they were the last to see Natalee.  All of us have known from the beginning that, because no evidence has turned up, the boys were under surveillance from day one, and NH has not turned up, that there had to be more people involved.

I just think the police wasted a week by not taking the boys in right away, we'd be a week ahead in the investigation.

Not speculating as to what happened, but everyone here has known there had to be other people involved.

Wonder if the one y'day "a friend" of jorans and also, if the one from y'day and the one from today are "friends"  wow, lots of thoughts here....

Well, I have one way they could have eluded all those searches and still kept Natalee alive.

When my kids were teens, we had three teens come up missing for over ten days (boy and two girls). The boy went as far as to shave his long hair off and eyebrows. We even helped search through woods and fields around the homes and came up with nothing.

In the end, everything turned out ok. They eluded searches by moving from various friends' homes to woods, fields etc. In other words, they kept moving.  We were told we walked right past the boy and never saw him (woods).

Of course this was not an abduction case, but a divorce case. The boy was trying to run away to another state to see his mother. It was amazing how so many young people could stick together with their stories and cover up their tracks......at least a couple dozen involved.  

I dont know why these kids would keep Natalee tucked away? She doesn't know them, so my bets are on kidnapping. But I wanted to show how clever teens can be.

This gets more interesting by the minute. The more involved, the more likely someone is going to start talking in my opinion.

I heard something curious this AM on FOX. It was an interview with NH's stepmom, Robin. When asked about the "donation" thing that has been set up, she mentioned expenses, charity and Natalee's legal fees. Did anyone else hear this?

OKAY SO lorenzo is part of this case aswell as SGC? i am confuesed sorry ;0)anyway  he just comfirmed (SGC) IS a friend of Joran VDS

North Florida.....live close to Tallahassee

Yes, I did, I think she was covering any and all possibilities that may or maynot arise....

Kelly, I'll try:  Last night someone was taken into custody, I think for questioning but not arrested (?)  His name is Lorenzo and his father committed suicide 3 yrs ago.  This morning at someone w/initials like SGC (??) was arrested.  He is 26 y/o friend of Joran and his father is a business man.

Anyone please correct me if I'm mixed up with this.

Mainly, tho, there is renewed hope that Nat may be alive.

So the 4th or is 5th guy is 26 and dutch?
  I posted a link to pics before and there is one guy who looks older and has blonde hair, he has a red shirt and another further down with a black shirt. I wonder if that could be him?
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/

Good morning everyone!!!  I actually decided to sleep last night and look what happens!!!  We have 2 new suspects, is that my understanding?

Fox is still talking 4th arrest.  It is not either the 5th ot the 7th if you count the security guards?  We have still in custody:  Joran, Deepak, Satish, Lorezo, SGC?  Is that correct?   :roll:

Just an FYI regarding the thread locking.  

In order for the next thread to be on TOP, it cannot be made until the current thread is LOCKED.  Therefore, there may be some gap time between the locking of the old and the opening of the new thread.  Although, we do try to make the new thread ASAP.

  :D

From what I've read there is NO official confirmation that a "Lorenzo" is involved, detained or arrested.

It could well be our crack reporters found this and it's true.  BUT, until there are other sources to confirm I really wouldn't use this as part of a theory.

Sorry if this is well-traveled ground, but I haven't been following as closely for the past couple days:

Does anyone else think that the quickening pace of the investigation means that the Arubans are letting the FBI work more directly or take more of an active role?

I know there have been people here who have said that the FBI was involved from day 1, but it seems like the direction and pace have changed quite a bit.

For myself, I'm quite sure that the FBI wouldn't interfere in a LE investigation in another country (or at least a friendly country) unless their help was specifically requested.

I am wondering if Natalie was taken to some kind of a party in someone's house afterwards. I am praying she is still alive and just being held somewhere.

OK, here is a thought, perhaps the 2 brothers are talking now......They know Joran has a father in a high position, now one of these new suspects seems to have as well, perhaps they see that Joran and the SON of a "businessman" have a better chance of getting away with whatever, and will point all the fingers to them, so perhaps now they are "spilling the beans" per say.......(As it would only make sense Jorans father is after Jorans best interest and not theirs, same as with the son of the "businessman"

That was a good one, I needed that laugh also....lol

Good Morning Dragonfly - I made that same mistake myself - although - I was still online pretty late anyway - oh well.

Good Morning all - I thought the one arrest had to do with a robbery on Aruba?????

Good moning.  Now where is Kerin?

Good morning K and Dragonfly  :D

Thanks for the update

Yes, this is a possibility.  Maybe the brothers knew more and are telling what they know.  Or this could have come out of the search at Joran's.  I think this may point more toward the brothers' story being true that they dropped him off with Nat at the beach.  Like we talked about last night, it didn't seem as if Joran's friends and the brothers were all associated.  It didn't seem like they had been long-time friends and associated with all of the same people.  Maybe when Joran needed a ride or needed to do something with Natalee or whatever, this friend is the one he called.

I fully agree, this faster pace is due to interrogations working whether thats due to the foreign interrogators brought in, or the FBI, or a combination.  It's apparent the family is more comfortable with the investigation.  I personally believe the helicopter flights, search of Joran's home and the new arrest today are all a sign good stuff is happening with the interviews with the suspects.

This new arrest might only be a witness or someone who was told something OR he could be a major player...we really don't know.

all we know is that they have made a froced arrest today, with someone taht has to do w/ the case....

SPSII. that's a good theory!!

Anything new from y'all out in Aruba?

Nancy of ABC is on the radio.  She says it is the fourth arrest today.  She likes Aruba.  Interview is in English.  

The Associated Press
Originally published June 17, 2005, 10:30 AM EDT
ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- A fourth person has been detained in the case of a missing Alabama student, authorities announced today.

The person "is suspected of being involved in the disappearance of the tourist," 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, said a statement from the Aruban attorney general's office.

The newest detainee was born on July 21, 1978, and has the initials S.G.C., the statement said, adding, "As a result of the ongoing investigation, this is all the information that can be given at this time."

Also today, prosecutors filed a motion asking a judge to rule there is sufficient cause to continue holding 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, the son of a justice official on Aruba, and his two friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18. The three were detained on Thursday. Under the law, a judge must review their case after 10 days and decide their status.

The announcement of the arrest today came nearly three weeks after Holloway's disappearance in the early morning hours of May 30, the same day she was to return from a five-day trip with 124 other students celebrating their high school graduation in Mountain Brook, Ala.

News right now on TOP 95 in english.. go to www.arubadag.com

Fox just reported there is another search going on today in a new location, but authorities won't say where.

AmericaninAruba, any news on that?

Maybe we will find out more soon!

Fox reporting that the young men are in court as we speak!  Let's hope we get some real breaking news soon.

She's not on?   Where is she?  She was on pretty late last night, wasn't she?

AND TO THINK HOW DISCOURAGED I WAS THIS AM Watching the NY channels - nobody said anything about Natalee and I remembered thinking 'oh what it's pushing 3 weeks now so it is getting old?'  It made me angry.

Now that everyone is gone from this site, things will break.

Earlier today, I was praying intently for Natalee to come home today.

I know that thousands of people would be so grateful.  That word dosn't begin to cover how her friends and family would feel.

No later than the rest of us--really thought she would be back by now.

In Aruba, is a "forced arrest" more like (they have evidence that the person was involved) ?  I know your laws are different over there.  I am thinking (that can be dangerous sometimes) that if they didn't have some sort of evidence, then perhaps they would have just went to the home and questioned the 26 year old?

i think the search is at the sgc residence though they are running footage of joran's house over and over again.

Underground parties--after parties after the bars close down?  Is this common on the island?

I'm almost certain that I read on this board yesterday (afternoon/early evening??) that the FBI was indeed taking an active role in this case from that point on.

(Oooh, my brain's getting crowded with tidbits!)

no I have no confirmation on this, but i would think that it would be the areas of the 2 new detained.  The lorenzo guy like i stated before has a house out in like "woodsy" area....we dont have WOODS here but liek bushy and lots of cactus...he threw "underground parties" their...i would think that would be the area they would search, but again nothing confimed

Good Morning everyone.
What great news that they have detained 2 more. I pray they get answers today.

They did say today's search is related to the arrest.

If the boys took this long to give that guy up...I wonder why??

But...they did arrest the security guards based on hearsay..

Is the footage they are showing on fox now a search of the new suspects house?

Someone on this site indicated that SGC was named on CNN.  Is this confirmed and what is this guys' name?

Does anyone have a rundown on the news that was on Top 95? It seems to be over now. Didn't last long.

I'm wondering if the brothers maybe didn't know and Joran was sticking to his story so as not to implicate himself.  I wonder if they found evidence at his house (or computer/phone) connecting him to this guy the night Natalee went missing and confronted him with it.  All speculation of, course.

I would think that some of the locals are now talking about places where Joran hangs out and after parties and such.  Now that they are interviewing more folks on tv, people have started coming out with info.

Why is it when I have a free day and can sit around the computer and TV all day, no news, nothing happens, then, when I have a busy day, and have to be outta touch with reports, WHAM, everthing happens.   GRRRRRR, I need breaking news reports on my cell, perhaps a wireless laptop too.  ( RED, TOM, reckon you can help me here)?

No to throw a public party/event here onthe island you need to get the police authorization, so thier is some sort of control, and they can be aware of it....the underground parties are parties taht they hand out fliers and text MSG to poeple and throw a party that has not been run by the authorities...most of the time as soon as its 1am the police arrive anyways and shut down the party, unless its in a secluded area that no one calls about the music bothering.....which is the reason he threw these parties at that house that stands alone

Jenn:

It's pretty clear they can bring someone in for just about anything in Aruba, with very little info and possibly just on hearsay.

They explained today that's why they use initials routinely...it is an attempt to  protect the privacy of the suspect.

However, tactics like that just irritate Americans.

Does anyone have any info if it is related to "date rape drugs" or just drugs in general.  Since the one friend was on the tube saying that Joran didn't do drugs???

Maybe the brothers don't know anything

Joran & Nat hooked up with this guy later [how]

This guy is involved:

a. With Joran - Seems to me Joran would be worried that the guy might turn on him

b. Without Joran - Why wouldn't he have given him up sooner as a possible involved person?

Aaaaaghghghgh!

Yes, it is VERY irritating!!

EVERYONE

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Tom

You think the use of initials might mean that the police don't have much at all on "S.G.C.?"

Man, you ppl are hrd to keep up w!  I see chance of far reaching conspiracy!  I won't rule out Papa being in this den mob of rooks!

The brothers dropped Joran and Natalee off at Joran's house after going to the lighthouse.  (this fits Joran's story) Then, Joran takes one of his parents cars and goes to the after party in the woods.  Maybe he drugged her before they left.  Left her in the house in the woods to sleep it off.

They are talking to dee fine, sigh.

in the sea of speculation there is a thimble of purported fact being reported on Fox:  "There has been a 4th arrest."  Why do we have five?  

Dee is on FOX!

Crap! Dee is on again! not necessry!

AmericaninAruba,  see you already answered that.  Sorry, I must read faster!

No,  from what I gather its routine down there to use initials regardless of the amount of evidence,etc.

This is something weird.  On Fox they were just interwing someone (didn't catch her name) and she knew the new arrest has the birthday 7/21/78...but only knew the initials.  How the heck did she know the birthday?  Is it part of an official record?  Must be.

in the sea of speculation there is a thimble of purported fact being reported on Fox:  "There has been a 4th arrest."  Why do we have five?  

Dee is on FOX!

This forum is bogged down with everyone's opinions and personal chat that the "breaking news" part is being lost.  Doesn't the main page of scaredmonkeys say only post if its important??? This is driving me crazy, the real info would be completely lost if they didn't post every now and then on the main page.

After Natalee is brought home, the media will concentrate on Amy Bradley.

I think this is a good point. Should we move the main part of the "conversation" to the speculation thread?

I CANT STAND DEE FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what is wrong with this lady..................she speaks as if this sorta stuff never happens in the usa or other countries :0) common  be realistic that is a typical arrogant attitude, she should go check up on her son that from what i heard of has or had a drug problem in highschool, CLEAN YOUR OWN YARD UP LADY!!!!!!!!!!

Strange how a friend of Joran, claims certainty that Nat is still alive yesterday on Greta 's CNN Show?!  Also it appears in the past that some tourist have disappeared for 3/4 days to only appear on the day of return flight, maybe therefore the notion that she might be alive?

IS evryone here  teacher? Doesn't anyone work?  LOL!

apparently they let the friend of JOran that the interviewed yesterday free

Sarah I certainly hope so it has been seven long years for her & her family.

Scared Tom, you are right...all of a sudden everything i try to post is showing general error..or that the forum is too busy..instead of refreshing.....try to just click on the natalee holloway thing above the forum and htat will take you to the list and click on the page there....where the page numbers are ....a lil out of the way.....but its bettter than refreshing every minute to se updates

Post here for news, but there are also live chat rooms going on.....

Check out this chat area:  http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat  

But do continue to post your news and information here!

Some people have both the chat and this message forum open.  Coming here to post news and read news, and chatting about it at the CHAT room.

ANYBODY has DEE FINE'S  EMAIL ADRESS i would like to send her a piece of my mind

E-years behind and fading, I think I gotta run enroll in the "Emily Woodhead sped redding course"!

yeah i found it interesting that he kept saying " oh i think she is alive, i believe she is alive, she is alive...in my heart i feel it...INTERESTING!   AND he is tellin me that he didnt know Joran? isnt he really popular guy and not to metnion i amsure his father is well known..so was weird that he didnt know of joran...he said he never heard of him...Unlikely

does anyone here know whether or not DEE said anytnig about the emails she recieved yesterday?

One thing that has stuck in my mind was that one of the brothers - I don't remember which or when - told someone - that he thought that perhaps Natalee would show up in a few days - implying that she would have been partying for a few days - found in a dive bar or something like that.

Does anyone else remember this statement - or can help me find it again?

It struck me as the kind of statement that sounded like a truthful off-the-cuff statement - implying that this brother, at least, had no reason to believe that she had been killed.

The arrest was the subjest of a press release from the proesecutor's office.  They provided the inititals and the age/date of birth.  The arrest took place at 6:30 this am.

One thing that has stuck in my mind was that one of the brothers - I don't remember which or when - told someone - that he thought that perhaps Natalee would show up in a few days - implying that she would have been partying for a few days - found in a dive bar or something like that.

Does anyone else remember this statement - or can help me find it again?

It struck me as the kind of statement that sounded like a truthful off-the-cuff statement - implying that this brother, at least, had no reason to believe that she had been killed.

Make sure that if you do, you keep some for yourself.

 :roll:  :roll:

they dont show his face or his SCG because they dont have any FACTS yet, i mean they keep there identitly safe  not  because of favoritim but its just the rule, we will get  a name tonight or a face if things get going...................and that guy on FOX is awsome the one they just interviewed i am totaly  agreeing with him :0)

Mickey apparently said Deepak told him she would show up in a crack house in a few days.  

Believeme JOran is NOT popular! lol hes far from being popular here....

I hope she does but if shes partying, Its against her will!

Dont worry i have enough to go around :0) LOL  I JUST  cant stand arrogant people.........

Needless to say, he is NOT popular here, either!

Americaninaruba - did you know Joran before all this mess?

I knew him from a previous encounter but short....but i have freinds children that go to the same school aas Joran and are in his class

I've thought alot about the "crack house" comment.  I have to mention that jokes and comments about "crack" have become part of teenage lingo...not because they are using it.  It's a common response from my teenagers if they hear something that is crazy, they say "are you on crack?"....or "that girl/girl is on crack!"  or "What a crack head"...

I have no idea if that's how the brother meant it...but, I could see him using it as a frustrated off-hand comment.  Like "For all I know, she'll show up in a crack house!!!"

AIA, do you feel like expanding on this at all?  This is the first time I've heard you express this.

Added w/edit:
  OOOps - already answered in the time warp.  Thanks!

Oh one of the freinds said he was popular and then the spokespeople in aruba said that he was popular or well known etc...sorry..i must have misunderstood!

what do you know about lorezo and sgc.....am/was unaware of new arrests....

Yes, according to Mickey John, who was being held at the same location as Deepak Kalpoe, Deepak said that "we figured she'd just turn up in a crackhouse or beach bar or some place like that."

I didn't take this at all as a hopeful sign. To me, that statement betrays an utter contempt for the victim. Seems to me that he is trying to dehumanize her, saying that the logical place to find a girl like Natalee would be somewhere like that.

It could be she's being held against her will in such a place. But for me, it just confirms that he played a direct part in this.

Think about this: If he knew for a fact that she's still alive, I would think he'd say something in order to save his own skin.

At this moment the thing I find most intriguing is the two references describing the arrestee. !) Son of prom. father 2) Son of suicide victim.  Are these one and the same, or are there perhaps 2?
Inquiring Minds Want toi Know!

Its geraldo who came up with all those notions, that Joran is popular he has a mansion and a car, none of wich is true( i am not deffending anybodY) just saying this is why thank god they send GRETTA there

ok the thing goes liek this....the kids that go to ISA(int'l School of Aruba) are all together because their school hours are completely fdifferent form other schools, so usually they all hang otu 2gether, or each have their different group of freinds (being their in a private school), so JOrans freinds are basically his classmates or a few poeple from out-of-school, most people here never knew who the hell he was when the news broke out....they thought he was a dutch tourist...again remember yes his dad is high ranking but hasnt been on the island fo rover 5 years fo rhis studies, so you tend to 4get who he is.....

I remember this vividly...but as time went on, I figured that was just part of the lies.  You know, he was trying to get us to think exactly what I originally thought...that she really wasn't dead.

It gets really confusing when the stories change.....

2 different people.  Lorenzo that was questioned yesterday and released is the son of the suicide victim.  SGC is the son of the businessman arrested today.

I think Juveanl has it about right re Deepak's remark.

americaninaruba clarified that they are two different "fathers"

If op. means well liked, I could see that, but, his web pgs show he has lots of friends.

Hi, Everyone,

Just logging on.  What have I missed.  I skimmed the news and understand a fourth or fifth person has been charged and that there is reason to believe Natalee is still alive (Praise the Lord!).  Any truth to this?

underground parties are common everywhere, kids,

when we were younger, I never went, but the cooler teenagers went to bootlegger parties, there was always someone with a stash of alcohol to sell to people after closing hours, now this was in the 1970's, I don't know if that goes on because more kids around here are more into drugs than alcohol

when we were in our twenties,  we used to hang around with a guy who owned a bar, and after closing hours, he would have wild parties in his bar until whenever, which could technically have gotten him in trouble with the liquor licence people around here, of course he tended to flaunt a lot of the laws and now he doesn't currently own a bar to the best of my knowledge

FBI sent two divers but sent back   because no specific  place to  dive at, and the polygraph was also turned down, look i love aruba  very much but i think they should have accepted the HELP OF THE FBI remember this sorta thing happens everyday here in the usa  in aruba this NEVER happens :0)

underground parties are common everywhere, kids,

when we were younger, I never went, but the cooler teenagers went to bootlegger parties, there was always someone with a stash of alcohol to sell to people after closing hours, now this was in the 1970's, I don't know if that goes on because more kids around here are more into drugs than alcohol

when we were in our twenties,  we used to hang around with a guy who owned a bar, and after closing hours, he would have wild parties in his bar until whenever, which could technically have gotten him in trouble with the liquor licence people around here, of course he tended to flaunt a lot of the laws and now he doesn't currently own a bar to the best of my knowledge

The part about the arrest is correct.  The second part may be correct also, but is a part of the cloud of rumors/speculation/fact that is so hard to nail down.

I think we need to be very clear the "Lorenzo" character was NEVER confirmed to be officially detained or arrested.  It could be he was interviewed.  That's it.

Also, what info in all of this leads us to believe Natalee is alive?  I'd love to think so, but in reality I've seen nothing that leads me to believe that.

Am I missing something?

Thanks klass!  Both suspects, one arrested?

deefine@mindspring.com

Thanks, rogers.  Hope good news breaks today!

PLEASE ONLY POST IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO ADD -TOM

Please.  People are coming to the site for breaking news from people that have contacts or the people that are in Aruba.  Please move to the chat or discussion boards rather than the Rumors of Breaking news board

So you were bad!

Wow - was it Arubagirl who said last night everything happens in the middle of the night with this case?  Sheesh -- go away for a little sleep and the dam's broken.

FYI -- Foxnews.com already has a video on their site talking about the 4th arrest. I think there's more info on the front page of this site, but if you don't have access to a TV and you want to watch, go to Foxnews.com.

According to Top 95 last name is Croes

Also there are rumours of 2 dutch brothers which were interogated last night

puggywug, there are definitely two new suspects.

The one yesterday was never said to have been "arrested' but was described as being "detained".  This might be the same thing, in Aruba.

Thanks to AmericaninAruba, we know that the one yesterday is a nutcase who could be capable of having grabbed Natalee (maybe for ransom, maybe to kidnap, maybe to sell).

The one today is another of those guys that think they are above the law.

Nobody is above the law.

TEo, which is best for english?

Holy Crap!! Somebody let me know if I am wrong but isn't there an Aruban official who's last name is Croes????

Has the name Croes been mentioned before?  It sounds very familiar to me.

Holy Crap!! Somebody let me know if I am wrong but isn't there an Aruban official who's last name is Croes????

This guy Croes who lives at Cas Ariba and was working as a beach boy/bum

So we just have to stay tuned to see if there will be more breaking news.

This all according to Top 95

Birth date is not sure..1987 or 1978

No evidence has been released that says that Natalee is not alive.  Her mom has hope.  I loved her statement that she will believe that Natalee is alive until God tells her different.  I'm sticking with that.

Any relation to Justice Minister Rudy Croes?

reports coming out that say the 4th person arrested "worked around the Marriott".

Croes is a very common last name in Aruba.

First, I have to give huge cheers to AmericaninAruba and Arubagirl and all others who have worked so hard to keep us informed. They are fabulous!

Personally, I have a big problem referring to someone who is not officially arrested or detained in this case.  This was a report from a radio station. This person was NEVER officially arrested.  And that's HUGE in Aruba!!!  Given how low their threshold for arrest is...if they didn't keep this guy it's probably NOTHING!!!  I hate to see a person's name bandied about if there's no reason to accuse him.  Mentioning his name is fine as it might lead to something else, but it's hearsay...to go further is inappropriate until we have more to go on.

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yestaerday was a detention of someone important with this investigation, and this morning a guy of 26 years was arrested thisd moring, we dont know why but it has relation to the case of NH
Edmond:today at 6 poelice picked up at adress at Cas ARiba a youngster of 26 years...but others say hes only 18...were not sure but w/ lst name Croes in relation to this case, we dont know his roll in this but its possibly for interogation,.,...yestserday  ..no confirmation yet......that their were detention of 2 borhters , dutch, that were interogated yestrday..information that keeps coming to TOP95 show that the invetigation is one that is slow, but trying to take SURE steps...slowly because theirs not much info on the case, but authroities keepo workgin on the case, we must say that in part of TOP95, we are following these revelations, again a boy w/ lst name Croes was detained..apparently he works by the marriott as a beach worker...we dont know much more if anyone else is being interogated...we dont know if JOran has said anything but we must say that Top has spoken to a friend of J VDS sayds that she says she knows JOran and doesnt think he is ever capabale of doing somehting like this, hes quiet.....nice...and just likes to go out w/ freinds..she doesnt know ever taht Joran has done or dealed with drugs...never heard that about him....she says also that she thinks firmly that JOran couldnt have committed any crime against the young NH...also we have otehr freinds that have decalred that its true what this other girl is saying..they dont believe he doesnt have it "in him" to do some crime.....again we have to be aware that we dont know what someone is capable of...well lets see whats going to happen...int he last 48 hours AUA has changed of opinion that from being dead AUA thinks that she is alive!
Harry: seing the things coming up everyone has changed in opinion
Edmond: we must see that AUA has been cleared up completely with not only the NH case but also that all the missing poeple that they accused of being lost, have been cleared up...we must say taht dogs have been used and also helicopters w/sophisticated equipment to show if their are people that are buried or somethign like that.....

Catrina.....that is very interesting. Can you give us the source? Thanks.

I am afraid all are in papiamento, but I stay with Top 95, because they are the hottest and the closest on this case since the beginning.

I think that if it was a high ranking person Top 95 would have broadcasted for sure.

There are many Croes living on Aruba, so please do not jump to conclusions. On Aruba the thought that she might be still alive is reviving again.

And who knows, on her own free will

i think half the island of aruba has the last name CROES!

Tx for trans. aru'grl

I recall a spokesperson by that last name.

When you think of Croes in Aruba, think of Smith Jones and White combined it America

Perhaps letting yesterday's detainee go free is part of the plan - maybe he will lead them to something.

latest info at hasibokos.com confirms a lot of what we have already heard, but the part about the PM needing an english language course gave me a chuckle.....

UPDATE 29: Hasibokos.com has just received information and confirmation that there has been an additional arrest in the Natalee Holloway case. We can also inform that the Aruban court decided today to extend the arrest of the 3 young suspects without charging them officially for a crime. We also learned that the prime minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber, is facing a lot of criticism for is personal involvement in the case. Yesterday Andin Bikker of the political party Democrasia Real, criticized the prime minister publicly for coming forward and getting himself personally involved in the Holloway case. According to Bikker, a the prime minister should abstain himself from personal involvement in all judicial cases and let the justice department do his job. Bikker relates the arrest of the (recently released) security guards directly to the pressure that has been put on the justice department to quickly find someone to blame/prosecute. Bikker also criticized the prime minister for his poor ability to express himself in the Enlish language. Bikker advised the prime minister to take an English language course.

duplicated the post

Thanks, Dallas Also

ha ha now I wasn't bad, I only went to one of the after hours parties, at Christmas time,  but I heard about all the various after hour parties as
my siblings and their friends, some of whom are my friends did partake of the after hour parties many times, i'm the quiet one of the family LOL,

I also don't enjoy drinking in a bar where it is so packed, including underagers, against fire marshall regulations, that you can barely lift your elbow to get the beer to your lips

on the other hand, Toronto is known for their after hours parties, esp in the Jamaican community and sadly these parties have been the scene for numerous shootings and murders........at one point it seemed to be every weekend in the summer, I think the cops were trying to shut them down

They are asking or wondering if the parents of Natalee has been interogated.

Edmond Croes, owner of Top 95, is telling now that the e-mail action against the Radio Voice of Alabama was a big succes, and the first email that was sent was answered in a rude manner by define..but she did not know that there was about 800 emails to ciome into her inbox

now 95.1 is talking about aruba ban and dee and and their response.  FM 95.1 is running an email campaign against D.  they are saying that there is a local politcal angle, smearing the government.  they are discussing the impact of the disappearance on the tourism business.  now they are discusing nancy grace show last night and the segment on the runaway bride.

I don't understand all but 95 said "runaway bride", this ain't no "runaway bride"!

If this guy worked at the marriot like has been reported then it doesn't seem very good for the chances of her being alive.

It was reported in our MSN chat, from a person who is translating news reports for us.     Could be rumor....   Just letting you all know what I heard.  :)

Thnx

I'm confused...what do they mean by this?

Fox is confirming (as much as Fox can confirm) that the new arrest is the son of a prominent businessman and a friend of Joran's.

Also, again they are reporting there is a new search today at an undisclosed location and it's related to the new arrest.

One thing that has stuck in my mind was that Depak Kalpoe told John (one of the security guards) in jail that he thought that she would "show up a couple of days later in a crackhouse or somewhere else."

This certainly implies that she had no reason to think that she was dead.

Joran is 17 and the newly arrested guy is 26.  What is a 26 year old doing hanging out with a 17 year old.

One thing that has stuck in my mind was that Depak Kalpoe told John (one of the security guards) in jail that he thought that she would "show up a couple of days later in a crackhouse or somewhere else."

This certainly implies that she had no reason to think that she was dead.

listen too it for two weeks like I have and it starts to make sense even to this dumb Yankee

here is my understanding of how Aruba works

they can in fact arrest someone technically when all they are doing is questioning them

it is odd that the Dutch system is in fact more skewed towards favouring the police and yet the Europeans are always bashing Bush for violating rights...

this does not happen in North America, you can question someone but unless you charge them, you can't hold or detain them, they are free to go if they wish to go, or they are free to co-operate and you can't charge them unless you meet the proof standard of probable cause, otherwise you will have a lawsuit on your hands, those security guards in Aruba, if they were in the US, the legal vultures would be on their doorstep, Al Sharpton would be their best friend.......

frankly in the security guards case i don't think the Aruban prosecutor even met their own standard which is reasonable suspicion

That's probably about that Jennifer Bilkins fool who sold her 'runaway bride' story to a movie producer yesterday. Wasn't that movie already made? :roll:

And thats the marriot guy?

DT, i hear what you're saying but at the same time i feel that the likeliness of her being found alive increases with every new arrest / person found involved in some way.........

This is news to me.  The only thing I heard Depak said to John was that they dropped Nat and VDS off near the Marriott.  Can you send a link regarding that statement?

He could be, but they did not say that.  

Personally, I think they are cutting deals with these three now...

Is the death penalty legal in Aruba?

why is Joran hanging around with a 26 year old - well I believe the older Kalpoe brother is 25 is it not?

and it's a small island, more likely to happen, they are all drinking and partying at the same places......

in our world, most 26 years old wouldn't be caught dead hanging out with 18 years olds unless it's 26 year old male and 18 year old female,

oops bad choice of words

Does it seem unusual to ya'll that a 26 year old would be friends with a 17 year old?  Joran's parents were extremely permissive with him.

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TOP95
Elvis: we are at the court house rite now and we are waiting to see i teh boys stay in arrest or not...stay tuned of rmore info on this...we are pending the exti of the boys that are in the courthouse rite now.....
HArrY:
somethign about the aressts today?? and thats a new suspect? that should have been detained lately?apaprently being from curacao??do you have nay info on this??
Elvis: NO i have no idea about a current arrest of someone form curacao...but I do know about the other one that happened this mronign...I didnt hear of any one new

Deals , yes! D' P' NO!

americaninaruba i am back, anything new besides the 4th suspect that they got?

The brother has been reported to be 21, I have never heard 25, anyone else?

who had posted the info that they were given the ok to keep the boys detained?? apparently the case is still in court...no decisions have been made

JOHN: Yes, because he said that normally, like, when tourists, somebody, come here and they get lost, a few days after that, they're going to be recovered, you know, at some crackhouse or with some beach bums. ...

Link

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/14/cnna.john/

IS THIS TRUE? is the forth suspect from Curacao ? is this confirmd?

There is no death penalty in Aruba.

It is the difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion.  I think in the Dutch system a judge runs the investigation whereas it is reun by police and prosecutors in our system.  I think the judicial supervision is much closer in their system.  

Somebody being interviewed on radio confirms they have 2 people more under arrest.

they are talking to a lawyer who has come out of the court.  can't understand a word.

Have "we" the public caused problems....?

What if the situation turns out to be like this:

The brothers do indeed drop of Joran and Natalee near the Marriott...

They are pretty wasted...Joran calls 26 year old buddy...buddy either picks up or arranges pick up for the two for a continuance of the late night party....

They both pass out....

Joran makes it to school the next day, Natalee sleeps it off....

Meanwhile, massive media and search begins while all parties involved are sleeping it off.....

Then....extreme embarrassment occurs with these kids and Natalee is too embarrassed to "call in" due to the public pressure to find her - could she feel it better to "be lost, or be assumed dead" than to have her family "embarrassed" by the situation.....


OR.....

the situation could be totally different...and could have went like this...

the brothers drop of Joran and Natalee near Marriott...

at some point in time Joran calls this 26 year old friend for a pick up....

Joran and Natalee get picked up - Natalee is completely incapacited, possibly slipped a "mickey"

Natalee overdoses, dies.

Massive panic attack by Joran and this 26 year old friend...

the rest of the story has been in media of massive search - but obviously nobody says anything due to the circumstances...


One thing I do think:  Papa Van Der Sloot did talk to Joran that it is "high time" to end the torture of Natalee's family.

Personally, I hope that this turns out to be a case of extreme embarrassment on Natalee's part due to her age, etc....

What do you all think?  Either scenario plausible?

No, not confirmed.  Whew,  I was wondering if you had been locked up or something :-)

possibly another arrest not confirmed.

thanks :) nah not locked up LOL

(this is in addition to the "4th" according to the radio.)  

fyi:  4th suspect characterized by FM 95.1 announcer (owner?) as beach bum or beach boy at the Marriott ...  

If the MSM would talk to the arubans they would know what is going on.

Been a lurker/reader--saw this, figured my time to help--especially since I am caught up reading all posts-WHEW!!!

Foxnews.com in the video part for "4Th person arrested" does show a pic--not complete, but a pic of the 26 yr old man--very slender looking, dark hair..........

Also, I also read the 3 boys are still in court--nothing released to the judges decision.

I am TRYING to listen to Top 95--but have NO CLUE what they are saying--lil words here and there I pick up on--more english sounding---I wish I could understand!

they better not let them go, i cant imagine that they would release these guys at this point in the investigation, esp since there has been a new arrest..anyone watchin tv...or listenin to the radio....please post it for me

I assume MSM has something to do with the mass media but what does that stand for?

Have they said anything about the new seach taking place today?

main stream media

Americaninaruba, by Mojo, listening to Dutch radio and interpreting (thank you very much Mojo):

latest info at hasibokos.com confirms a lot of what we have already heard, but the part about the PM needing an english language course gave me a chuckle.....

UPDATE 29: Hasibokos.com has just received information and confirmation that there has been an additional arrest in the Natalee Holloway case. We can also inform that the Aruban court decided today to extend the arrest of the 3 young suspects without charging them officially for a crime. We also learned that the prime minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber, is facing a lot of criticism for is personal involvement in the case. Yesterday Andin Bikker of the political party Democrasia Real, criticized the prime minister publicly for coming forward and getting himself personally involved in the Holloway case. According to Bikker, a the prime minister should abstain himself from personal involvement in all judicial cases and let the justice department do his job. Bikker relates the arrest of the (recently released) security guards directly to the pressure that has been put on the justice department to quickly find someone to blame/prosecute. Bikker also criticized the prime minister for his poor ability to express himself in the Enlish language. Bikker advised the prime minister to take an English language course.

Thanks Jac

Welcome

MSM = Main Stream Media

apearently before this I was reading something last night they they arrested 3 people 2 from somewhere I forget but not far..st lucia..?
and one from columbia..
I don't know if it had anything to do with this case..

I know they aren't releasing this current arresty's name... just going by his initials..

The person was identified by the attorney general's office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C.

they said his father comminted sucide recently and he has mental problems..?

I am excited about this news and really hoping she is found soon soon soon!!
hey to the guy that had the dream about her being in a room with a black and white tv and a bue rug on the wall..
you might be right.!

apearently before this I was reading something last night they they arrested 3 people 2 from somewhere I forget but not far..st lucia..?
and one from columbia..
I don't know if it had anything to do with this case..

I know they aren't releasing this current arresty's name... just going by his initials..

The person was identified by the attorney general's office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C.

they said his father comminted sucide recently and he has mental problems..?

I am excited about this news and really hoping she is found soon soon soon!!
hey to the guy that had the dream about her being in a room with a black and white tv and a bue rug on the wall..
you might be right.!

This has been commented on extensively. If you want to see what I think about it, you can go through my prior posts. One was earlier today.

Moreover, I heard that even people convicted of murder do not serve more than 10-20 years.

Hopefully one of our friends who live in Aruba and are more familiar with Dutch law can confirm that.

where can i  listen to this radio station? i can  help translate it if you wish, americaninaruba is translating as well she's been doing a great job so far

This post is a prime example of why we must be clear as to what is confirmed news, and what is hearsay!

Since for whatever reason it's next to impossible to go back and read old posts, and because alot of what we hear is really rumour...we must work hard to keep things as clear and truthful as possible.

hasibokos has ammend the site now and it says

UPDATE 29: Hasibokos.com has just received information and confirmation that there has been an additional arrest in the Natalee Holloway case. We can also inform that Hasibokos.com has received information that indicates that the Aruban court is leaning towards extending the arrest of the 3 young suspects without charging them officially for a crime (we are waiting for confirmation on this as the court session is still in progress).

Copy of Dee Fine's email to Top 95

I took off the "To:" part for "source protection"

>>From: Dee Fine <deefine@mindspring.com>
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: nataly halloway
>>Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1970 18:07:29 -0600
>>
Your police re jokes....it is time the rest of the world learns about
the corruption that is in Aruba....
Wonder if anyone would care about Natalee if her mom and family and
media wasn't covering this story.
Most of us know she would just be a bleep on your radar...all you and
your islanders are concerned about is your tourism business...530
thousand Americans come every year....1.8 million on cruise ships....
How much of our American tourist dollars goes to help all the
impoverished people on Aruba????  If your government was run correctly
there would not be poor people...Do the math...your island has about
75,000 people...have you ever wondered where all the money is going??

Anyone know of any Croes' that recently was in the news for killing themselves?

Someone asked for the link to the quote about Depak Kaploe saying that tourists sometimes get lost and then show up in "some crackhouse or with some beach bums."  Here's the quote, the link is below.

"JOHN: Yes, because he said that normally, like, when tourists, somebody, come here and they get lost, a few days after that, they're going to be recovered, you know, at some crackhouse or with some beach bums. ... But, push comes to shove and nothing was coming out, he decided to tell the truth with his brother to the armed police.

COOPER: He told you that he lied to police because he thought she would show up a couple of days later in a crackhouse or somewhere else?

JOHN: Correct, sir."

http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/06/guard_provides.shtml

pinemeadows - although you say that this has been discussed extensively on other forums, I, though browsing several other related sites, haven't seen it.  Perhaps others haven't seen it either.

Also, I apologize for some double postings.  When I click Submit, I get an error message saying "Failed Post," so I click again.  Then later see more than one posting...  

Also, someone suggested we move all this talk to the Theory and Speculation site; this is a reasonable suggestion, but this thread is HOT and that one is empty!

Sorry to use up valuable space for info, but I just wanted to say thanks to all who are keeping the updates coming as they come in. It's appreciated.

I just discovered this forum today - It seems to have a lot of news that one cannot get  on tv - I have one big question that even FOX has not seemed to be able to answer - Has Paul Van der sloot been allowed to see his son yet - I have seen rumors that he has but FOX has not mentioned it at all - I find it hard to be able that over a week has gone by and a 17 year old has not been allowed to see his father. Many have questioned Aruban justice and how slow it is - I on the other hand find some of it a whole lot more harsh than the U. S.  I doubt seriously that these 3 young men would even be in jail in the U.S.  How long did it take before Scott Peterson was arrested - So please people quit acting like Aruba is not harsh enough. And what about Jon Benet Ramsey - where is her killer - and how long did it take to find Chandre Levy??  And was the Congressman in jail during that time?  Ok I have vented - but I would really like to know if Joran's father has been allowed to see him!!

1.  Thanks Scared Tom--and you're welcome

2.  I found the link to Top 95 at http://www.arubadag.com/

To me, it just sounded as they were talked to Jorans' father and about the 4th arrested-that is all I understood.

Nancy, you can feel free to utilize the Search capability on old threads to get caught up.  You will find the confirmations that are missing from your collection of the facts.

I am the one that on Saturday night 5-31-05 had the visionary dream, if you're looking for confirmations.

I'm not a nut and I'm Christian, not a Ouiji board person.  I had a dream and Natalee was in a room where a black-and-white TX was on and blue rug was up on the wall.  Then I woke up.

I heard on some earlier news report, days ago, that if a person is convicted of kidnapping, or some other crimes, they can be extradited to the US or whatever country the victim is from.  If she has been held against her will, maybe they will be taken to the US.  If VDS is released, found not guilty, do you think he should still pursue his college education in the US?

Brenda, that's a different person who has not been arrested.

Open your Windows Media Player program
In "File" then "Open URL..." just paste this: http://www.top95fm.aw/audio/top95.wax  :idea:

LOOKINGGOOD......if you get the error message after posting, don't resubmit, your post will already be on.  Instead, click on the "Scared Monkeys Forum Index" (in blue) and re-enter the thread.  You will find your post there. :wink:

I don't know whether it's been discussed on other forums, but it's been discussed extensively in this forum.

My opinion was that his remarks were meant to dehumanize her and lead me to believe that he took a direct part in whatever happened to her.

I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I get from that.

Well after reading that, I had a split second thought that NH was actually an undercover  secret agent working for the DEA..

...boy, I need some sleep.....

I would bet anything he has -

1.  case is stymied, just spinning in circles - boys not opening up other than a story change that leads nowhere....

2.  judge rules he can see Joran

3.  suddenly case no longer stymied....situation changes almost immediately.....

and you all thought i was "horrible" when i said someone needs to talk to these three boys parents to "encourage" them to tell what has happened to Natalee, and end the torture for her family - one way or another.

Perhaps my methods was wrong - I freely admit that - but I believed then, and believe now that these boys do not have evil parents - and that their parents should have been encouraged to talk to their sons about honor in this case.....

It seems that papa Van Der Sloot was talked to by many....did talk to son...and suddenly son is telling all.  At least that is what it looks like to me.

With all due respect to all you americans (wich i have no problem with) but this DEE FINE lady speaks as if there is no corruption going on in the USA or other countries. IS SHE BLIND or somthing? sorry here i go again getting all pissed instead of focusing on NH, i apologise but i think she is very ignorant very ignortant.

americaninaruba said a few pages back:

"apparently he works by the marriott as a beach worker..."

If this is true, then there might be a scenario worth considering. If you go to that site with the problem link:

Type in "www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/" but be sure to add the "http://". Some people have had a problem with a file....I am not giving a direct link. But check the second large picture of the Marriott....the beach picture. There are small boats and a dock. There are also some objects that look to be like large floats or something. I won't put out the idea of a boat trip scenario to some other place just yet.

I think everyone here agrees with you, dj

They can't keep them if they don't have the evidence.  here comes the news on the radio.  

what did you mean by "beach worker" aia?  You mean a life guard or something?

3 observations:

1. Everything from the Aruba officials up to now has been "We can't say",
"We can't comment on the investigation", etc. When they make an OFFICIAL annoncement like this morning, that is a sign of a MAJOR event and this truly could be the turning point. Finally!

2. There has always been implicit in all this the statements of the bros that Natalee fell into the hands of an unknown person, in BOTH their stories.This is (other than the security guard flap) the 1st sign of that. Even Joran acts like he is hiding someone else's involvement. There is SOME "post-Joran" mystery here, I simply cannot believe that he decided that OK, tonight's the night I kill an American girl and that is the end of it. Something BEYOND all that deal in the car, some kind of history, is there.

3. This whole scenario says to me that there are darker and more complicated mysteries to me, things involving the youth sulture in Aruba and its connections with the drug/gambling/pornography lifestyle... things which we may not have conception of in America.

I REALLY want this girl to be still alive. I am getting more hopeful.

Yeah, ignore her. She's an idiot.

Prolly a towel boy or one of the dudes that moves organizes the chairs, etc

In addition to wondering if Joran has actually been allowed to see his father - I am curious if down in Aruba - Mr. Van der sloot has given any interviews??  I would be very curious as to how he sounds and what he says - on another forum he was discribed as trash??  I wish Greta would interview him!

Currently I can not name ANY country without death penalty where their judicial system accept requests of extradition from a country where the death penalty could be applied to the people extradicted.

U R VERY right chloe  lol

Top 95 is reporting but of course I don't understand it . . .any translations out there.  Thanks to americaninaruba - you are doing great!

Keeping hope alive

Top 95 is mentioning Natalee. I can't understand the language....can someone translate the news?? THanks.

DJ, I've heard Dee telling people that if they want to go to the beach to visit a beach in the US.  But I would challenge her to research the number of missing and murdered in California, Florida, and any other high tourist beach areas of the US.

Did anyone read on the other post named Parents should feel guilty..... She siad that the parents should not have let her go to a foreign country being that young. and they should feel guilty................ Are we serious!!!!

Sounds like a long report......dying for someone to give a translation. Thanks.

This type of talk is nuts!  Should focus on finding Natalie, not pointing the finger!

Kelly -- we ran off most of the idiots who were posting that garbage on this forum a while back.

Have ---, GPTMB, and mbhs05 checked in today?

Some of the thoughts, statements, and people posting here are better left ignored.  To answer them would accord them more respect than they deserve.

Fox is confirming the news about someone being detained yesterday in relation to the NH case.

Hi all...


Just got online a few minutes ago....I AM SOOOO EXCITED!!....  I just know she is ALIVE!!  (dancing in my seat)

No problem, DJT.  This woman does NOT speak for all Americans and I, for one, can't blame you for getting pi$$ed.  There are many, many of us who are embarrassed by this DEE FINE and ashamed that she's been given audience.

Please don't think she represents a majority.

Was there a news update?

Well, thats her opinion and in US we have an expression "Opinions are like as-holes, everybody's got one!"  And I'll go one further in dees case and say: "Opinions are like as-holes, everybody's got one  and yours just stinks!"!

Yeha i cant believe that someoone wrote that..i wanted to give her a piece of my mind lol...i mean those parents are doing eveyrthing they can and have been so strong and should not be looked at as anything but strong loving parents

Just got this off another website.

Steven Greg Croes, 26, Kas Ariba

Nope,  at least I haven't seen them.

We do have a member on MSN chat translating the news for us.

Good job...where did you find that information???

FOX is confirming 5 at least brought in!

Dee Fine is a media whore ignore her

Which site, do you have a link?

If VDS is released, found not guilty, do you think he should still pursue his college education in the US?[/quote]

I don't think he would dare step foot in the good 'ole USA!!!


GOD BLESS] AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Marine Mom

I fully agree!  Some of the most brutal and vicious child abuction cases in history have been in Florida!!!  Several this past year!  

I am trying my best to separate the LE actions from the lovely people on this island.

Dee is attempting to get her "15 minutes"

FOX JUST REPORTED A FIFTH PERSON HAS BEEN ARRESTED.  THIS COULD WELL BE THE PERSON THIS FORUM REPORTED YESTERDAY WAS DETAINED....WAITING FOR UPDATE...

exaclty i live in MIAMI beach at the momen and its pretty crazy and i lived for a period in Venice beach CA (i love the beach ahahahyou see the pattern) you absolutly right

There is someone on chat translating the news report.http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat

20 to life!  with Urine a minor probably less!

There is someone on chat translating the news report.
http://groups.msn.com/FindNatalee/chat

Thank you.

Please stop sunmoonstars

Thanks Tom.

And if someone's on another chat translating, couldn't someone post the translation here?

I did a search on Google for Steve Croes and came up with a cached site for a guy in Aruba:

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%22&hl=en

Other than confirming the detention of the fourth person, a rambling commentary. natalie may be alive and just rebelling.  maybe they should investigate her situation in alabama, this is hurting aruba, etc.   i defer to others to interpret that commentary.  He lost me.  

Court is in lunch recess per Fox which is also reporting the Dutch witness taken in last night

I am so sorry, I only meant to post it once. It kept saying it failed.
Forgive me please.

I hope someone will be kind enough to do a copy and paste of the news report. I can't get in, since I don't have an msn passport. It sent me to the front page of msn groups instead. Thanks for the link anyway.

even when it says it fails, you have to jus tclick on refresh and it will apear, ignore the failed sign :)

*******even if it says it failed...it will still send**********

So are they still calling this other person a "witness" cause that could be just what they need!

Can you kindly post the news here for those of us who can't get into chat?  I'm on dial-up and it never works for me!

Could someone please copy and paste the translation from that chat room.  I think the server is overloaded and i can't get in

Thanks

I think TTM was referring to Ms. Fine.

I am in that msn chat..if anything comes up...i will post

Yes.........please copy and past the article...noone can open it by that link

Or at least give us a running summary.  I could get in back when that group was at yahoo, but not once they moved to msn.

I've asked repeatedly if someone could repeat the translation. So far, no one has.

Thank you georgia!

Yes please, it is over loaded I could not get in either!

Since it is a common name we should not fixate on some poor guy who has his mug up on the web unless we are sure it is him.

And due misunderstanding of my direction I fear that my humor was way overlooked. Darn!

I think the only thing said so far that we didn't know for sure before is the guys name, Steve Greg Croes.

Nancy,
I would love to, but the name is all that is there right now. Someone is checking on it. If I see more, I will be happy to pass it along. The rest is just a lot of talk.
Thanks

I believe Iquitos posted a few threads up that it was just sort of a rambling chat, theorizing she's just rebelling, they should check out her situation in AL, etc.

No problem, when we have server load this heavy the software messes up.

We are working on a dedicated server. Very exciting

yeah he was i apologise as well to him :0) i am just a bit edgy LOL i just want this whole thing over with (and a happy ending)

I think that Roel guy can be linked back to joren

perhaps via edwean

I'm going to email Top 95 again and see if they will post updates for us on the blog.

CNN just reported and showed a pic of some guy who they say could be a serial child molester?  Said he's 26 but he looked about 50 in the pic/drawing they had of him???  I'm confused!
CNN is reporting now...........

It is on Fox now, no name given however.

Nothing really being said. But will when somebody says something.  :D

They're reporting this S.G. (Steve Creows) as being in the bar business in the hotel zone?

They all sure took their Web sites down in a hurry, didn't they?

Thanks for the FOX update. I am at mcdonalds with my boys , they have free wireless, and went over to the TV to see the update amazing.

Fox News dayside with Linda Vester  Marcia Twitty is on

He's divorced with a two year old child.

ALSO, CNN reported they are following up on info obtained via Internet info from one of the computers seized.

Interesting.

I think that got mixed up.  They did arrest a serial child molester yesterday in the states.  Has nothing to do with this case.

To answer someones remark about the old man being a child molestor, that is a different case completely than NH.  He is suspected of molesting thousands of children.  He was keeping a binder with their names and special codes they think were a sexual act performed with them.

Lincoln Gomez is also on, Aruba attorney

Roel
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=6873904&Mytoken=20050615091302
Eldwean
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=8576252&Mytoken=20050617100158

Right before Jorens myspace was taken down, there was a post/comment on it  from eldwean

Actually, I can find it still up by going to zorpia.com and searching for "emanonsc"

And Dee wants to boycott Aruba?

I just copied and pasted this from CNN website... So the kids are givin info huh? I didnt know if it was confirmed or not if one of the suspects gave his name.....and they did according to the police commisioner.......................SOrry if everyone already knew this ...

Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said the 26-year-old's name was given by one of the three suspects in custody.

More evidence they are making deals.

I'm sure they're saying to the brothers, "Life in prison, or 3-5 for concealing info????"

HAHAHHAHAHa technology these days! wel im at work trygin to do 5 thigns at once...listening to 3 raio stations....posting.......working....answering the phone! LOL if only I had a wireless laptop id e posting from the beach (we have HiFi on all the beaches so you can go wireless ont hebeach! and ll areas around the hotels@

I actually logged in but I have not found the translation part--just someone saying take notes for someone--I don't know where it is-otherwise I would!

Quick Question:

The front page of Scared Monkey's says:
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

And it's just been posted that his name could be:
Steven Greg Croes

Isn't the Chief Justices name: Rudy Croes??

Thanks

I don't think Dee was necessarily boycotting aruba b/c Natalee was lost, but because of the way the aruban govt has handled the case.  I'm not saying a agree with all of her statements but I just wanted to clarify.  Yes there are many cases in the US of murder and kidnapping but this is an international case where a US citizen has dissappeared in another country and hasn't been found for close to three weeks.

They are saying that Croes works at the MH (on msn chat)

Thank you georgia![/quoteLOL sorry ttownMike aswell :oops:[/quote]

You're more than welcome, both of you!!  I can't have misunderstandings among my friends, LOL.   :wink:

A young lady named "Erinn" is on both sites......

not sure if that means anything.

Klaasend.......thanks, only caught a bit of it and it confused the hell outta me?  I did hear the part about this Croes guy working in the bar industry in the hotel zone i'm pretty sure.  THey also mentioned a computer seized from where they believe to be the Kalpoes home.  This is getting interesting............and i'm getting ZERO work done yet again!

totally different story..

oh my god this guy is my friend STEVE CROEWS
tell me more that you know of this please

After looking at it more closely, I'm not sure thats the same Roel.  The picture is real dark.

How do you know this guy?  Are you sure it is your friend?

http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html

Thanks for the update, waitingtoknow!

Keep 'em coming, when there is something newsworthy.  We appreciate it!

WHAT?

And my only point was there are many many more in the US that have been missing much longer than 3 weeks and I don't see Dee Fine throwing a fit about how the police handle those cases and calling on a boycott of those towns.   There ARE people in this country who have been missing much longer and had investigations messed up much worse and Dee isn't boycotting them.  My only point was people should clean up their own back yard before yelling at their neighbor.

Are you kidding?  Is he divorced with a two year old?  Yikes.

Actually, most of those pictures of girls are the exact same photos that were on Joren's site.

From Yahoo News six minutes ago:
http://206.190.35.122/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen/nc:716

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolvedWonder what this means?"
"

eldwean is on Roel's site...

erinn is on both Roel's and Eldwean's site...

so - does this steve that just got arrested have a site here too?  do all of these boys party together, with joran as well?


sure would answer a whole lot of questions....

I am feeling Natalee may very well been alive and well all this time as her mother feels she is.  I am gonna have major amounts of egg on my face for thinking/saying this was a "rape case gone bad"....and will be glad for the egg on the face.

I bet Natalee's mom would rather have an embarrassed overpartying daughter than a dead one from a rape gone bad, or one sold into slavery...   I am hoping this is what has happened....

any thoughts about this theory?

the discription of him is pretty close but no i am not sure,  they said he has a daughter kid of 2 years old wich steve my friend has, his last name is the same his age is the same i mean the island is small. my god i am with open mouth here

DJ, go to Zorpia.com and type in emanonsc in the search area.  Brings up a pic of Steve Croes.

In the June 17 edition of AM Digital, a retired Aruba policeman, Elio Nicolaas, wrote a letter to the editor, requesting that they use all available technology to interrogate VDS and the others, including polygraph. So, while it is not admissable in court, it can still be a powerful tool in interrogating a suspect.

In the June 17 edition of AM Digital, a retired Aruba policeman, Elio Nicolaas, wrote a letter to the editor, requesting that they use all available technology to interrogate VDS and the others, including polygraph. So, while it is not admissable in court, it can still be a powerful tool in interrogating a suspect.

yes he is divorced, my gosh i am just shaking here

I believe that in Aruba the polygraph is inadmissable in court because it is illegal to use....

OK I DO THIS NOW

DJTaylor, would he have been the type that would have attended one of Lorenzo's "after-parties" that are out there away from town?  He's not married, so maybe he was invited to it?

the best book to pass the N.R.E.M.T exam, May 7, 2001
Reviewer:   "emanon_sc" (Aruba in the ducht Carribean) - See all my reviews
this book is one of the best books to help you to pass the national registry emergency medical technician exam. I self had lessons with the 8/e and that was good but when i saw this book,it is the best thats wy i wnat to buy this book with his work book.
thanks to let me share my review from this book

sencerly yours Steve Croes

Found this on Amazon books reviews.  I think this guy is an EMT.  Maybe Joren called him to help or something.

DJ TAYLOR i think it really is him im tryign to ccll his cel now but no answer! do you think?? oh my goodness! I hope its not him!

POSTING? YEAH RIGHT, american!  LOL!

HE IS  a very hard working guy but yes he would go out to a party like this

WORKING? YEAH RIGHT, american!  LOL!

http://ppp.zorpia.com/0/54/emanonsc.jpg
Is this him?

DJ how do you know this man?

I do know that eldwean had contacted this girl

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=7582636&Mytoken=20050609104931

at one point in May, but the trail was erased. In her interests, she has going to Aruba in August 05.

If Joren knew these people, then I would say that he was learning from the pro's.

americanaruba- you are tryin to call whos phone? steve croes? You know him too? friends wiht him? DJ- Is it him?

One of the online Aruba news services reported that Paulus van der Sloop will be allowed to visit Joran in jail.

Is it Steven Croes or Steven CroeWs?

The "w" makes a big difference in who we are looking at here.

Tell it, DF, tell it!!  (Wish we had "thumbs up" among these 'miticons'.)

this picture doesn not look like him, is this the guy they caught the one on the pic? cause aruba is known to have alot of CROEWS its kinda like SMITH a very familiar last name, but the whole 2 year old child and divorced has me still shaking

I understand by all reports it is Croes, pronounced CRUZ.  It's like Smith or Jones, very common name.

I noticed a Roel as a commercial pilot, and a Steve Croes there as well....?

No not him

That girl had also posted on one of Joren's sites I know for a fact

I hope for your sake it's NOT your friend!

I'm supposed to be working a huge construction defect case.  I haven't gotten anything done all week.  Good thing I'm starting in a new law office next week or might just get fired for such little work product this week...lol.

[
I bet Natalee's mom would rather have an embarrassed overpartying daughter than a dead one from a rape gone bad, or one sold into slavery...   I am hoping this is what has happened....

any thoughts about this theory?[/quote]

Myself, I find it highly unlikely that a girl of this caliber (straight A's, full scholarship) would not find the nerve or resolve in herself to come forward by this point (three weeks)..knowing full well the hell that her family has been going through, if she were capable of doing so.
I perfer to think she is alive, but held somewhere somehow.

the pic on zorpia is not the steve i know, but AMERICANINARUBA is calling his cell phone my friend STEVE CROEWS and she said there is no answer, i am going to check with his parents to see whats the deal.............i realy want to know whats up

I too just found this and was wondering the exact same thing.  It seems logical that if Natalee was drugged and had a bad reaction that the teens would search out a friend that had some medical background.

BUT, are we sure this photo is the person they arrested?

Myself, I find it highly unlikely that a girl of this caliber (straight A's, full scholarship) would not find the nerve or resolve in herself to come forward by this point (three weeks)..knowing full well the hell that her family has been going through, if she were capable of doing so.
I perfer to think she is alive, but held somewhere somehow.[/quote]

Yeah. It's impossible that she's "partying" somewhere, or hiding of her own will. I can tell you that.

We are so lucky to have good people in Aruba getting information to us so quickly.  Thank you so much!

Doesn't look like the same guy on TV!  Body set looks heavier!

on fox...there was this guy in the back of a police car with curly hair...he was hiding his face....FYI

I agree, much bigger in the pic.

DJTAYLOR, this was posted previously, so can you go run the video on FOXNEWS.COM and see if the Steve Croews there is the one you know?

To quote the previous post:

Foxnews.com in the video part for "4Th person arrested" does show a pic--not complete, but a pic of the 26 yr old man--very slender looking, dark hair..........

Anyone think there is a chance that Natalee has been out partying with this group...and just didn't come home?

Any news out there to this effect....

I am just hoping and praying this is what has happened, it is the best scenario to date....

much better than raped/killed, buried in the sand, fed to the sharks or sold off as a sex slave or prostitute in foreign land......

REFERENCE:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_6.html

>He stated that he had created a Hotmail account specifically
>for requesting the image be taken down, that he would not
>mind communicating if he could but that he would not be able to
>do so without first talking to his Father.
>
>Late last night I wrote back and suggested that anything he did
>choose to share should first be reviewed by his Father,
>purportedly a Judge, and also an attorney.  My email went out
>just a few hours prior to the six AM arrest of the three suspects
>and I have not heard back from the account since.
>

It is quite self-evident that THE FATHER is acting in this case..
THE FATHER should NOT be allowed to visit with Joran..
THE FATHER should be arrested for accessory after the fact!

[ ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT - Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an
accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon’s apprehension, trial, or punishment. ]

No, there's not a chance. She would never, ever do this to her family, period.

Can someone fill me in on this party theory? I am lost!

Some people are just hoping she's off on her own will having fun...it's just a theory where she isn't hurt, so it's popular.
But it's impossible, because she would never do that. She's being held against her will somewhere.

Another Steve Croes in Aruba:

http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

Third Picture from the bottom on the right.

Also, I'm not saying that the websites I'm posting are for the right guy.  I'm just looking for websites so that we can see them before they are removed - IF they belong the the arrested individual.

No, there's not a chance. She would never, ever do this to her family, period.[/quote]

Afternoon MBHS..holding up? Where has Dash been? havent seen her since the TV interview.

My thoughts exactly, well said!

If there was a date rape drug involved, and she had some problem, she could still be somewhere with these guys, needing help but alive.  That is my hope.

I pray for her family and friends.

I say, OK, you want to boycott Peru, Venezuela, Argentina, Colombia too?   How can you boycott a foreign country for not being able to solve a criminal case as fast as FOX or Dee Fine want them to.  They do have laws and they do have legal standards.  Let them do it their way and meanwhile leave them alone.  

YES THATST HE ONE I KNOW! OH MY GOODNESS!

Is it possible that what these three boys have been saying is true and this 26 year old guy spotted Nat. It seems to make more sense that an older person could detain or hide a body better especially when the heat isn't on them until now.

....but i have freinds children that go to the same school aas Joran and are in his class"

english lesson Aruba....its "ass Joran".........*sigh*

Afternoon MBHS..holding up? Where has Dash been? havent seen her since the TV interview.[/quote]

I'm ok...I don't know where she is-she was on yesterday...emailed me. I'll call her later...I'm about to go run errands again.

....but i have freinds children that go to the same school aas Joran and are in his class"

english lesson Aruba....its "ass Joran".........*sigh*

WHAT? That's quite a stretch don't you think?  It seems ANYONE under suspicion of a crime would want their photo removed from the Internet.  Guilty or innocent?  To suggest a family member's consultation with the father of a suspect,  is a crime seems inappropriate.

I'm not supporting Joran, or his family.  However, fair is fair.

I believe the poster was just explaining Dee Fine, not agreeing with her.

I don't think the people on here want to boycott anywhere.

mbhs05, where have you guys been?  --- and GPTMB haven't dropped in either.

Here is what we have, with good extras from the local Ariba folks that are posting:

1. Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don't think he has been arrested yet.  He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something.  His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home.
2. Someone else was arrested this morning and two of our posters are trying to determine if this is their friend that was arrested.  The name is Steve Croews.  One of our posters here did a Google and found that he had posted a reader review on a medical technician type of book, on one of those book websites.  So another poster has questioned whether maybe the Joran and the brothers needed medical help, maybe for Natalee.
3. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an "underground party".  Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close,  that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don't have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don't close those down as easily.
4. In the radio announcements, there are several announcements from officials that they now are back to thinking she could be alive.

Interesting.  So, is Steve an EMT or a beach boy, or a bartender.  Maybe he is a lifeguard.  

Someone tell me where the naem "Roel" comes into this?

Again, I DON"T KNOW if that is the guy......It's just a picture I found when doing a search for that name.  I just know that it wasn't long after VDS's website was discovered that it was taken down so I wanted to see any websites that might be involved before they disappeared.  I thought others would like to see as well.

But there's no evidence/proof that he's the one arrested.  :roll:

okay well my mom is on the case to find about that steve croews that i think is my friend........here is a pic of him the one with the BACARDI bottlle in his hand http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

I think I saw a picture of that guy on Jorans site.

Myself, I find it highly unlikely that a girl of this caliber (straight A's, full scholarship) would not find the nerve or resolve in herself to come forward by this point (three weeks)..knowing full well the hell that her family has been going through, if she were capable of doing so.
I perfer to think she is alive, but held somewhere somehow.[/quote]Totally agree, gaijin!  Both points!

All his friends are thinking the same!

Again, can someone tell me where the name "Roel" Comes into this?

that steve you send on the website is the one i know, he was the best friend of my ex boyfriend of 6 years.............this is very chilling

Hi everyone, I've been lurking all week at this site. Like all of you, praying very hard that Natalee will be found alive and safe.

Quick question, who was the guy interviewed last night on FOX by Greta who stated he's a friend of the two brothers? I ask, because one photo in that link above looks very familiar. Not sure it's the same guy, 2nd on right from the bottom.

Correction: It may not have been stated if he was friends with the two brothers, I can't remember.?? He could have been just a guy that Greta stopped on the street to interview.

Anyone remember the Patty Hearst case that made the "Stockholm Syndrome" known world wide?

It was a case of a young girl getting kidnapped, drugged....girl starts identifying with the kidnappers, and joins their cause.....case involved one of the richest and most famous American families of the 19th century...

Now....say Natalee did go out and partying....did overdose (even if by being slipped a "mickey")....these people call EMT friend....EMT friend saves her....

Now say that while recovering - she exhibits symptoms of the "Stockholm Syndrome" and identifies with those she has been with - thus didn't call her family....

I am not suggesting that this is what has happened, but am suggesting this is one of many possible scenarios....one that could be unraveling and be a case of a live and well Natalee vs. a dead, shark fed, or sold off Natalie....

I am closing the MSN chat...seems like 99% of the info they are gettng is from SM....and...soon they will be moving to aol chat....

Good theory but, if he was there he'd wouldn't fail to call ambulance.  Wouldn't let her die like that.  Also not likely to coverup!

Good afternoon all! I've been on for two hours reading and trying to catch up! You guys have been busy!

I'm only on page 4 (I'm reading as fast as I can!), but I wanted to post this again (for like the 5th time) because this question keeps coming up about the FBIs involvement. (And maybe Tom & Red & Cat will post this on the front). It's an article from the Miami Herald (most of the FBI agents and the 2 search and rescue people with dogs are out of the Miami office.) There are also DEA on the island I'm sure (read that early on).

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11887882.htm
Posted on Tue, Jun. 14, 2005

ARUBA
Miami FBI assists in missing-woman case

FBI agents from the Miami office have been in Aruba during the probe into the fate of an Alabama high school graduate, but their role has been limited.

BY LUISA YANEZ
lyanez@herald.com

Highly-trained agents from Miami's FBI office have been in Aruba for two weeks, but are playing a limited role in the search for Natalee Holloway, the missing Alabama woman whose case has drawn international media attention.

That's because the agents from the top federal investigative agency have been invited on the Dutch Caribbean island only as observers. Local authorities are leading the investigation.

Up to now, the Aruba government has requested minimal FBI assistance, said Judy Orihuela, the FBI spokeswoman in Miami.

''We are there at the request of the Aruban government and we'll help in anyway they ask us,'' she said.

Six Miami-based agents are on the island along with a seventh agent based in Barbados. The team of agents, along with a supervisor, watched from behind a glass the questioning of the five men implicated in the 18-year-old's disappearence.

Aruba officials also asked the FBI to analyze a DNA sample taken from the backseat of a suspect's vehicle. The sample was flown to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., but came back negative for blood.

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has publicly criticized the pace of the investigation.

Even if Holloway Twitty wanted the FBI more involved in the case, the Dutch government would have to approve.

''Aruba is a sovereign nation,'' Orihuela said of the island, an autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands where Dutch is the official language, but English is widely spoken.

Investigators have said they continue to pursue all leads and emphasize that no one is above the law in Aruba.

But Holloway's mother told the Associated Press Sunday she believes island authorities might be protecting the three young men believed to be the last to see her daughter on May 30.

''All three of those boys know what happened to her,'' Holloway Twitty told AP. ``They all know what they did with her that night.''

One of them -- a 17-year-old Dutch boy -- is the privileged son of a Justice Ministry official.

The teen and the Surinamese brothers said they dropped Natalee off at her hotel after they drank and danced at a local night spot and a ride to the beach. It was Natalee's last night in Aruba.

The brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, told police that the three took Holloway to a lighthouse near Arisha Beach. There, the Dutch teen kissed and fondled Natalee in the back of the car.

The brothers said they returned Holloway to her hotel about 2 a.m. But security video from the hotel does not show her walking back into the Holiday Inn on Palm Beach, where she stayed during the five-day high school graduation trip, her mother said.

The trio pointed the finger at two hotel guards, who were also taken into custody. Holloway Twitty told the news agency she believes the security guards had nothing to do with her daughter's disappearance. Their attorneys have appealed for their release.

Attorneys for all five men maintain their clients' innocence.

For now, the agents -- members of the extra-territorial squad that deals with events in the Caribbean and South America -- will continue in their role as observers. Among them: an expert in evidence processing, a crimes against children specialist and a victim/witness coordinator. ''It's really up to the Aruban government what they want us to do,'' Orihuela said.

There was a Roel linked on the first croes website on zorpia. And there is a Roel that is a friend of Eldwean who as linked to Joren. Currently, I do not think the two Roel's are the same person.

What does he do for a living?

Brenda, Stockholm Syndrome doesn't come on quickly...it takes time.  I think theories like this and panic attacks should be placed on the theories thread.

Now, is Steve the Dutch guy who works at the Marriot Beach son of the deceased car dealer?   Or is that Lorenzo?  This Steve does not look Dutch to me.

waitingtoknow, thanks for monitoring the MSN chat for us and posting just the pertinent information that came up.

That was how we got Steve Croews' name.  Our local posters AmericaninAruba and DJTAYLOR are now pursuing if this Steve Croews is the same as their friend Steve Croews.

Patty Hearst wasn't drugged and she wasn't out partying.

Yeah, the guy on tv was slim, this ones meaty, so to speak! LOL!

The guy on the tv was one of the brothres.

Good morning or should I say afternoon! lol ((((Hugs everyone))))

Trying to catch up on everything. Seems like a lot, again, has happened over night.

he used to have KAYAK rentals now he drives the boat known as TATTOO its a party boat that you can rent with your friends and have fun on. basically he is always on the beach

VIDEO: MSNBC report on 4th arrest in Aruba
(Arrested a high-profile member of the community)

http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?t=1&p=News_NBC%20News&i=221999f2-7922-4211-92e2-855d30a73bdf&rf=

Steve is the one whe THINK is the S.D.C.  taht was arrested this mornign at 6am.....me and DJTAYLOR suspect that its an old freind of ours......taht we knew from curacao.....when shelived tehir.......but we dont know if it s really him but al theclues match lets see well keeop you postde...he works ont he party boat Tattoo  you can google it Tattoo Party BOats

Where in Southern Cal are you, Caligirl?  I'm in Bakersfield.

the steve croes is on a wevsite from the netherlands not aruba.  so probably not the one.  check the web address.

So if he drives a party boat..then they guys had easy access to a boat then....interesting

That's what I was thinking too.  I stopped the video on Foxnews several times and looked at his profile in the car and while he was walking and to me that looked like video of one of the Kalpoe brothers.

This was posted on Free Republic site

"Chief Justice Rudy Croes
This is interesting....he has been on t.v. as a spokesman representing the Gov't investigation. Even interviewed by Geraldo."

Latest arrest - Father said to be a Gvt. official

I am going to go for a bit...I will be back for Tom's radio interview....

Whos site are the pic from?

holy crap... did you know that the tattoo was robbed about three yrs ago while out on a jaunt. about three hundred ppl got robbed by suspected  columbians..

wonder if it was an inside job?

Da Wench

I am in Long Beach..  Nice to see another another So Ca on here!  :D

the website was made by his friend MICHAEL he lives in Amsterdam he did it for steve

Never heard of that.....and the tattoo cant carry 300 poeple!

I found it on a MSN search.  From the URL, it looks like it belongs to a guy named Mike who made a collage of his friends' and family's pictures.

the website was made by his friend MICHAEL he lives in Amsterdam he did it for steve

Aruba radio 95 is now broadcasting in English!!! Doing interview with Nat's mom.

I'm starting to see where this investigation is going and I don't like it.  The lorenzo guy reportedly has connections to drugs and parties.  The Croes guy who may be the one who was arrested owns a boat.  Looks like we are headed towards the overdose theory, unfortunately.

Bakersfield????????
I grew up there. In NNJ now.

That looks more like the one on tv!

curiosity- ok can you summarize the interview for me..at work and cant listen to it...thanks :lol:

Tell us if anything important is said.

NOW, WHAT IS HE, SON OF DECEASED BUSINESSMAN, OR SON OF POLITICIAN?  

http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/

this is the party boat that the Steve i know drives

Wow. There are like 6 pages of Croes in the Aruba phonebook.

http://www.arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=40

Back to native language, 95 has no new news unless you can translate.

Nevermind my previous post then.  That is a big freaking boat, not the sort of thing someone would use to dispose of a body.

I have family in Long Beach...you're practically down the road...lol.

Sorry if this is late [ catching up]...but did you see the friend's interview?  What did he say?

Rudy has a 26 year old DAUGHTER that is married and lives in the US & 2 sons in Aua the oldest is 12yrs old

a high powered boat sopposedly pulled up and men jumped on to the tattoo. held ppl at gun point and cleaned evryone out of money and jewlery. this was about two week before i arrived about three summers ago...

CNN just confirmed this guy is a DJ on a party boat.  This is your friend?  Sheesh, talk about BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Fox is confirming that his name is Steve Croes.  He is a friend of VDS.

I'm ok...I don't know where she is-she was on yesterday...emailed me. I'll call her later...I'm about to go run errands again.[/quote]We miss her!

Wasn't the tattoo party boat the one we found in lots of pics on one of Joran's site?

CNN reports that the Steve Croes detained does work on the boat, the Tatoo.

Talk about a small world.

that is the boat i ve been on it

So apparently it is your friend. Sorry.

What???!!! ive asked several poeple no one has heard of that story at all! if you have any mnore info or soemthign like htat I can check but no on eelse has heard of that

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Images-Fun/SteveCroes.jpg

Is this the guy?

The boat doesn't go out on sundays and is always back at midnight.  The arrest of crues is coming from the three.

A little off topic but it does have a common theme I am beginning to see here..

Does anyone remember a huge story, several years ago, from a wonderful east coast neighborhood (I can't remember exactly where sorry) about a group of prominent wealthy kids who had secret lives of being high profile drug dealers? I can't remember all the specifics but I do remember they had killed someone over a drug debt or such?

Anyone remember that? Or am I just really tired today? lol

Didn't Natalie go on a Booze Cruise her last night before CnC??????????

What the hell are you talkgin about?? are you stupid or just dumb??? Croes apparently isnt even from aruba you asswipe......and the minister croes doesnt have any sons of that age..the oldest is 12...and the DAUGHTER is 26 or 27 and lives in atlanta! shut the f*** up serios

So...wait a minute..who supposedly knows this guy steve? DO you?

Wow, CNN just ran a clip from an interview with Beth Twitty from this morning.  She sounds pissed!  Far different from her tone in the Greta interview, which I believe was a couple days ago as it ran in two parts on Wednesday and Thursday.

i was at the hyatt and everyone was talking about.. having been on in the past.. i did nt really care to do it again and did nt really look into it. i took the word of david desmits... asst mgr.. hyatt

No they don't sail on sundays according to the owner.

Looks like Steve is the dj on the Tatoo, which does not sail on Sunday nights.  His boss did not know he had been arrested.  So, you figure out what happened to natalie.  She sailed on the Tatoo the next night?

That, I like!

AMEN, with each passing day, Aruba looks like a worse place, full of corruption.

Didn't Natalie go on a Booze Cruise her last night before CnC??????????[/quote]

She went to a concert.

americaninaruba - I am sorry stupid people write idiotic things like this.  This person probably has never even been to the beautiful island of Aruba

SO.......just to set the record straight, the first website with the "stocky" guy, "emanonsc" IS NOT the one that was arrested.  So, that means the EMT and Pilot theories are out.  It seems (from reports on CNN) that AIA and DJTaylor's friend is the arrested Steve Croes.

What did she say, Nancy?

if i remember correctly the gut that owns or runs the tattoo during the actual evening looks like boyd coddington, from american hot rod hes about 45-50

That she was tired of the lies.

there are some speculation that there has been a comfesion i am not sure yet i just heard about it, they are saying that they cut her up in pieces i hope this is not true  please  PRAY all of you  that this is not true i will keep u posted  or americaninaruba wilL she is on the case as we chat right now

Thank you American for slapping one more wild statement down.  Folks, listen to the people on Aruba folks, they know the story (but this is not a positive turn if you ask me).

WTF?

That's it?

Whose lies? The amigos'?

So does she think they're just bringing in the wrong people now, because of what the boys are saying?

I didn't catch it all, but she says she wants answers and she wants them fast!  She says they (suspects?) are lying.  No more of the calm, respectful Mom, she is pissed!  I'm sure they'll play the clip on the next news break.  She said more I just don't want to get it wrong.

What the hell are you talkgin about?? are you stupid or just dumb??? Croes apparently isnt even from aruba you asswipe......and the minister croes doesnt have any sons of that age..the oldest is 12...and the DAUGHTER is 26 or 27 and lives in atlanta! shut the f*** up serios[/quote]


Easy American. Breath throughyour nose. There's a lot going on, with you personally now also. Don't let anyonemake you more upset than you already are. Was only the third post for that one. Not a regular.

Gosh americaninaruba, I hope this is not your friend, Prayers are with you too, Im having a hard time keeping up today.

IGNORE THIS PERSON! TROLL ALERT!!!!! They are leaving messages about how bad Natalee and her parents are, and making horrible assumptions...ignore the sensationalist...they just want to get a rise.

American...I'm so sorry if this is your friend!!!!!!!!!!

for the love of God tell me that is not true and only a rumor

Yes, that's correct.  The heavier set guy IS NOT the guy they arrested but IS the guy who wrote the review on Amazon.com of the EMT book.

Speak for yourself, I don't see where that needed to be said in here!

Yes, pls say it isn''t true??

DJTaylor.....where did you hear such a thing??? That is horrible..i hope that is not true.............. americanaruba- do you know this guy? and you havent heard that horrible rumor have you? i pray not

--- In NataleeHolloway@yahoogroups.com, "vossjemi2" <vossjemi2@y...>
wrote:
> Arrest--Steven Greg Croes, 26, Kas Ariba
>
> may be a pilot: http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html
> photo: http://72.14.207.104/search?
> q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22Steve+Croes%
> 22+aruba&hl=en&start=1
> He supposedly has a parent who is a high ranking justice official as
> well? Anyone with more info than that?
>
> Also, rumor that somoene named Lorenzo was detained/interrogated
last
> night but not yet arrested. Suppsedly he's got mental problems due
to
> father's suicide last year and is related to the Kalpoes.

Does anyone know, by chance, if he is related to:
Marianine Croes
Spokeswoman, Aruban Attorney General,
as seen in this CBS NEWS video:
http://video.cgi.cbsnews.com/video/video.pl?
url=/media/2005/06/16/video702259.wmv&sid=&dart=news.video6

HURRICAN your a jack ass  did you look in your own back yard yet, all that shit that is going on?? huh, so rethink your thoughts before you spit them out. look in the mirror before you speak.

Please ignore these people.  Frankly, I think people who come here to trash Aruba as a country or to trash Mountain Brook should be banned immediately.

It takes alot for me to say that as free speech is free speech.  But given the bandwidth problems and the fast breaking news it should be done.

OMG that has got to be a rumor!

Where are you hearing this from?  Please say it isn't true -

Ignore hurricane fanatic--please mods get rid of poster.

Major story breaking here.

It sounds to me like a lot of bad partying and choices is about to crash down on a lot of people.   I think this situation is uncovering a much deeper problem than just Natalee's disappearance.

Americaninaruba and DJ:

Sorry to hear that about your friend.

Maybe he is being blamed unfairly by the three boys. I sure hope so.

I so agree!

Why are you thinking that it is the same person as the amazon review?

I truly hope not. How awful.

PEOPLE...it says THERE IS SOME SPECULATION...Speculation is what one does absent of fact.  All scenarios regarding Natalee at this point are speculation.

Wow, I'm just catching up.  It seems like they are either very close to cracking the case... or just grasping at straws with people who may have had computer contact with Jaron that night.

DJTaylor- dont just post something like that and leave it...where did you hear it from? radio station in aruba? you are leavin us hangin...please give us more info....

Ok thier is NO confirmation to what is going on.......the Steve that I know is a acquintatnce from a long timne ago....i have only seen him on aruba a couple of times when we went on tatttoo with our out of town guests and in C&C a few times.....but nothing of a freinds hip,,,,,,,but lets see what happens

marianne croes just stated on Fox that Steven Croes is NO RELATION to her.

Just to straighten out a fact, the boat in Joren's pix was the MiDushi, not the Tattoo.

Thank you American In Aruba for all your help and patience here...same goes for Arubagirl and the rest there who have been helping....

ok apparently it is the steve i know....lets see  I just got confirmation from curacao that it is him.......but apparently nothgin is KNOWN yet......they are interrogatign EVERYONE and ANYONE who had been seen with the 3 boys last and trying to get answers...

Simple.  Because the author of the Amazon review was "emanon_sc".

the supposly confesion is bullshit asusual and
the GUY THEY HAVE INTEROGATING IS IN FACT OUR FRIEND MINE AND AMERICANINARUBA :0(

AGREED!!  DJTaylor, where are you?  Tell us more about this rumour.  Did it come from the radio reports?  AmericaninAruba, have you heard this?

So what are the facts right now?

Why would a 26 year old man hang around with a 17 year old boy? Unless he was his drug dealer?

americanaruba..there is not any confirmation about what they did to her right? i dont even want to repeat it

Sorry to hear that it is indeed your friend

Why would a 26 year old man hang around with a 17 year old boy? Unless he was his drug dealer?

So you're friend may have got fingered just like the guards did...

Hey ya'll...I've been looking at the other threads in this forum, and I'm about to PM a moderator, but in the meantime...I'm just warning ya'll, my Southern Belle patience is running out. The next person who bad mouths ANYONE that I know, WILL be yelled at, threatened with bodily harm, and hear words they have never heard before. (I have brothers.) I'm sorry, but I can't take it anymore.

Why would a 26 year old man hang around with a 17 year old boy? Unless he was his drug dealer?

Emanonsc is NOT the right guy.  He is the stocky guy in the first website.  The correct Steve Croes is the skinny one in the photo collage.

Why would a 26 year old man hang around with a 17 year old boy? Unless he was his drug dealer?

Sorry to hear about that. Now, where did you hear or find your above info, please?

Catriana--

I fear you're correct.

I hope, once everything is ironed out so that, once the authorities know exactly what happened and exactly who is involved, that they will come down HARD on those responsible.

From The Riehl World:

"I am a clerk at the station down here.. Steve Cruze's criminal file shows detailed history of assault/battery charges against women (and one unlawful touching) all of them dropped though with help of a clever Aruban lawyer, Barton Van Tripp. His family is very wealthy, owns the newspaper down here.. these three guys were 'runners' for Cruze so maybe that's why they aren't singing."

reagrdless to if it was speculation that is a very specific speculation...so i was just wonderin where somoeone would say that specific act without hearing something.

I can't imagine why a 26 uear old man would want to hang around with a 17 year old boy. Maybe that's the drug dealer.

And the kid in delft, holland with the rum bottle is not him either (tom posted his pic).  

Mrs. Twitty said (several time in a row) she is tried of waiting and tired of being lied to.  She implied the liars are the three amigos.

again the supposly confesion was BULLSHIT asusual, damn i am tired these people pulling our chains like this, and infact the guy they caught is our friend  mine and americaninaruba :0( this is very sad if so, but they are just interogating everybody i guess who was seen with these kids (3 dumbasses)

That's been my speculation all along, Catriana. I think they have been monitoring everyone because they are onto the scent of something very big. I suspect the police/FBI/DEA are about to uncover a widespread group of people doing illegal things. I just hope Natalee emerges alive.

Mi Dushi is owned by the same company that runs the Tattoo

WELL FOLKS HATE TO SAY IT BUT THE PICTURE UNDERNEATH THIS GUY (I GUESS ANOTHER FRIEND) HIS NAME IS "EIGHTBALL."

mbhs05 - the people that do this kind of thing are called trolls.  It's common for internet bulletin boards.  They mill around groups and find people's hot button and push it...regardless of what it is.  The best thing is to ignore them.

Sorry DJTAYLOR- is he a good friend, old friend, aquantance?.....

I say bring in as many people as they have to in order to find Natalee. The SGs were innocent, and got set free, so I have faith that if this new person isn't involved then he will be cleared also. I guess we'll see.

However, Beth Twitty is pissed over something big, IMO.  She has totally changed her tune.  Gotta wonder why all of a sudden she is so angry?

THAT was just a bad translation that a friend got on the arubian radio, i am sorry for the scare I APOLOGISE  to all..................i will stick with AMERICANINARUBA at least she translate better then this other girl

I know. It's just that I can't anymore. I'm really, really pissed. I guess I'll control my self long enough to send them a PM telling them exactly what kind of scum they are...I hate to subject ya'll to my temper.

We are in the midst of another media whirlwind and mass board speculation.  That also brings out the trolls.  Kids from MB..  It might be good for you all to go for a walk, to a movie, whatever..  Just leave the board until sanity is restored and real information is available.  Our prays are with you and for you.

Mbhs05

Sorry I am really slow following today so please excuse my ignorance (I can't keep up).. was someone badmouthing Natalee?  :cry:

If so, please remember the great number of us who love you all and support you and excuse my slowness because if I had seen it I would have tried to say something! So sorry! (((hugs)))

This was a comment so it is not from Dan Riehl

Ok guys, lets not jump all hysterical now... and discuss the facts.. so this guy Steve Croes is arrested, possibly a confession, some website posting aswell.. Top 95 right now is playing some hip hop stuff.. so .. no info on this radio.

Ooh!  This means something new!  I'm at work and don't have the patience to read through the 90 pages I've missed since yesterday, can anyone sum this stuff up for me?  I read about the 4th suspect, whats the deal on him?  Hopefully they'll finally be able to solve this case and bring Natalee home!

Croes is proably a celebrity.  Never sen a young kid attracted to celebrities?  (Assuming they were hanging out.  Another scenario is that he came into the picture after Joran left.)  Or maybe Joran was his spotter.  

MBSH...there's a lot going on again today, and the media arent the only ones who use it as a forum to sensationalize. Send your PM, but dont let them get to you. Theyre going after her, you, aruba...ignore the noise the best you can. you do have friends here, more than you can realize.

Yes, I think that might be a good idea. I'll warn 'Lana.
Though between the two of us, I think we can make the trolls squirm. She can be fiesty and I...well feisty would be a NICE way of putting it.

I think it's interesting that the news cameras were outside the kid's house for several hours the other day while the LE did their thing.  Today, they're supposedly searching another house (Steve's???), and there's no coverage at all????

MBHS05.....don't stoop down to their level, that's exactly what they want.  See it on every message board!  Stay strong with the rest of us who care and ignore the trolls.......

It's people on other threads badmouthing all of us...especially her.
Wish they were strong enough to not be the type to hide behind a computer to taunt people. I could make them shut up. A lot of us could...sigh...thanks for believing in her.

Ignore the Hfanatic - they posted hate messages elsewhere, too.

Here is what we have, with good extras from the local Ariba folks that are posting:

1. Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don't think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home.
2. Someone else was arrested this morning and two of our posters are trying to determine if this is their friend that was arrested. The name is Steve Croews.  Croews is a common name like Smith or Jones and he is no relation to the Minister Croews that has been quoted some in some press releases.  We now know that this Steve Croews is an acquaintance of Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR, and that he drives a large party boat called the Tattoo that stays docked near the Marriott.  Steve Croews is divorced and has two kids and works hard and also would have been the type that might have enjoyed going to a late-night party.
3. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an "underground party". Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don't have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don't close those down as easily.
4. In the radio announcements, there are several announcements from officials that they now are back to thinking she could be alive.

who weet jij dat?? van waar heb je dat gehoord?

WHERE??????

Totally understandable mbhs05, I can't sit and read it either without losing my souther charm!

Do I understand this correctly?????   please tranlate this...  wow

Nice!  I like the optimizm!  But, just how old are you?


Just kiddin, I watched it live! LOL!

What the hell does that mean??

Speak english, I swear.

Jankees?? Hoe weet jij dat? Hier hebben we niks van gehoord???

CONFIRM PLEASE THAT STEVE CROES IS NOT OUR AMERICAN IN ARUBA

"I have waited have waited and listened to all these lies. I want answers and I want them now."

Natalee's Mom on radio interview.


Ob boy, the S is hitting the fan

DANK U.  Do you have the link?  .  

Jankees is saying that she has been found and DJTaylor is asking where Jankee heard that.

SHE HAS BEEN FOUND! DUTCH PRESS AGENCY NEWS is translation

i think its just some dude beeing stupid,  he is saying THAT THEY FOUND HER!!

No - he is just a friend of American in Aruba

based on my german,  this looks like badly spelled german.  I think it says:

She's been found.

response:  who said that, where did you hear this?

But I could be wrong

Believe it or not, that's what I thought.  Damn, I'm good!

"She is found" in Dutch.

If she is really found, "jankees," stop yanking our chains and post it in English.

"5th person" = an apparent witness

VIDEO: FOX News

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player05.html?061705/usworld_aruba_061705&FNL&Fourth%20Person%20Held%20in%20Disappearance&acc&U.S.%20%26%20World&-1&new

Jankees?? Hoe weet jij dat? Hier hebben we niks van gehoord???

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????  EDGE OF MY SEAT HERE!!!! PLEASE!

It is not.  It is intended to say that the Steve Croes is a friend/acquaintance of both DJTAYLOR and American in Aruba.

Jankees?? Hoe weet jij dat? Hier hebben we niks van gehoord???

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????  EDGE OF MY SEAT HERE!!!! PLEASE!

NO WAY TOM!~ IM rite here! crazy! I would NEVER want to be involved in sotheng like this! I just stated that teh steve that has been arrested is an old acquantance...and I confirmed it was him with family in Curacao

Alive!?

Tom, Steve Croes is a FRIEND of AmericaninAruba.....

this dude is saying THEY FOUND HER  aparently on the dutch news i dont know if this is true

Just heard that on the radio here as well

Is this on the radio aia, anyone?

Not on Aruban radio at the moment, no.

Afternoon, Native. On early arent yah.?

I don't trust the media anymore....but is this anywhere else! I can't tell you how AMAZING that would be!!!!!

NOt reported on fm 91.5  He is citing a dutch wire service report.  he is a dutch guy in Argenetina.  I checked the ANP site but found no such story although I am not a subscriber and may not be able to see the real breaking news.  It is Algemeene Nederlands Persburo, ANP, like AP for Dutch.

Are they saying found alive or dead?

TTownMike -- not only did I watch it live, the cops took one of my college friends in for questioning because he looked like an SLA member! LOL!

Sorry, but who is Eldwean?

and WHO is saying that they found her???

and WHO is saying that they found her???

Hello ALL...Gaijin, Caligirl....

No...Nothing on Radio, Nothing on CNN, and nothing on ANP Nieuws website......

(is anyone else getting the "limit reached errod when posting or refreshing??)