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A gentle reminder, that at times we get heated and angry over something we read. Perhaps something someone else says. When you feel yourself typing out things you would "never say to a person if they were standing in front of you", well.. that is the time to step away.

Get a coffee, watch some TV, hug your hubby/wife, take a walk, take a shower.... take a break. Go watch the sunset.

This is a highly emotional issue that has dragged on for weeks (and might go for weeks more).

Remember, we are all real people with real feelings. Sometimes, when we type out "words" they aren't taken in the same context that we meant them.

Give others the same latitude you would like them to give you. Don't assume the worst, look for how that person could have meant something other than the worst.

Life's too short. We are not lost... our loved ones know where we are.

Be thankful.

Ok.. back to your regular schedule program, before it was so rudely interrupted by ME.

i wish they could give us a little more info

Cat, someone said there is a phone number for reporting information.

Someone else said that they have information they want to share only with the family.

Can you guys verify if the phone number is vaild and if so, but it on the front page or as a sticky on all the forums?

Thank you, cat!

MominTN
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 17

"Fox has to boost their ratings with sensationalism so that they can spread the Bush propanda effectively."



Please lets not bring politics into this.

If in fact this is true,  I suspect that it is because he is involved as a witness in this case.  I don't think they would permanently suspend him unless he is charged with something.

Secondly,  there is an FBI number that is a direct link to this case that is posted at the bottom of the screen for most Fox news broadcasts.  That is probably the best one to use.  It is an 1-800 number.  Does someone have that number??

ok..REALLY stupid question guys...please dont laugh..LOL.is there an easier way to see new posts and scroll to the next page without having to go back up to the top and click on the rumors of breaking news thingy? Maybe i've just been sitting here too long...i think i need to go feed my child...LOLOLOL

i just hit refresh

I do believe that Fox (or MSNBC) News had a

 TIP LINE  - 1-800-NATALEE

If anyone has other information, or the correct news agency, please let us know.

 :) :)

nikki.....i think you just have to hit the refresh button(F5 or right click)

Thanks..LOLOL  :oops:

I get frustrated when I see natalee bashing and so forth
arent we all van der sloot bashing
?
i dont think we should judge anyone unless we KNOW.
and since none of us KNOW, it would be wrong to make judgements.
Unless God is among us?

Is this a victim and family rights board? If she was on a trip in the states her parents would have been urged to take a poly even if they were not with her on the trip.

I am not saying I agree that this is needed here or not. Just stating a fact.

What if the rumor that she disappeared for 4 days on a trip to costa rica a couple of years ago is true would that change your perception?

Just a blonde, I am ...LOL..f5 is soo much easier....lol

:::claps::: Good point, I can't agree more.

Thank God for FOX. I never thought I would be following a conservative MSM channel so closely, but of the 100 newspapers, none mention Natalee as front page anymore.

I have a (bookmarked) link to the top 100 US papers, and I bi weekly scan each front page. That's sad, when my life has become dependent on FOX for MSM.. well, at least they sent Geraldo packing.

Geraldo is almost as bad as Dan Rather. My mother LIVED to change the channel as soon as Rather's mug appeared. God knows, bless her soul, what shye would have thought of Dr Phil or Nancy Grace or Emeril (sp).

One question:
I heard Mark Furman (sp) was in Aruba. True?

I guess he and Dominique (sp) Dunne have book rights. Go figger.. from the N word to best selling author.. only in America.

SL

It's working well for me.
I've got 10 windows open for work, and then one for this particular blog.
I just hit refresh every 10 min's or so, so I don't get pages behind like last Friday.

I can't believe this crap about the Twitty's taking a polygraph.
Sure, if it's under Aruban spec's, by all means, go ahead with
it...but the bashers that are trying to stir their spoons, I just
don't think that's a logical finger-point, right now.

Question to all.......
Was natalee's camera found with her personal belongings?

Is the Yahoo natalee chatroom down? I can't seem to get in

<<if aruba and aruba media starts slandering natalee and starts a mud-slinging situation i will be very disappointed.>>

Aruba media has already started.

Here we go again. Paulus van der Sloot gives a time line that conflicts with known facts, and yet he is allowed to go free. Doesn't this remind you of the 11 days that JVDS, KS, and DS were allowed to go free after telling a story that conflicted with known facts? And two security guards were arrested, instead? Is perjury not a crime in Aruba? It makes you wonder why he is not in jail right now.

I understand the Dutch system of justice. It really isn't that different from the U. S. system, in that information is not released to the public.

But we DO have the ability to monitor whether progress is being made, or NOT made. And, right now, it's deja vu, all over again, to quote Yogi Berra.

we as Americans are taking the chance to bash any Aruba related issue (well the majority of us)

as far as the poly test ,its called propoganda and why not?
We are all questioning Aruba, why cant they use something against us or question us?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Yeah I think someone said it was in her bags in her room. Which makes sense, because if she didn't have a purse with her a camera would be too much of a pain to keep up with at the bar.

absolut.........first find me proof she did this............of course if that happened, it would have to make us alter our opinions to some extent.

and it is 21 days...............with all the attention on this case, someone would have seen her. it would take a miracle to try and run away in this case.

I said what if.......

what are you brand new the the american media........................... :shock:

Hmm.. interesting. FOX just reported that Croes was "fingered" by the other suspects. Is it just me or has that NEVER been said before? I could just been having ADD and not have picked up on it before but I do believe that to be the first mention of that.

and if baffles my mind
how can the other kids not know anything
???????????????????????????????????
and let all those hours pass and not go looking or wonder
why didnt anyone make sure she called to check in??
how come no one went with her?
something isnt right.

Are we sure they didn't pack her stuff?

rob, i said i would be disappointed......the reason why is because when this first happened the tone of the island was to be that of a happy place that wanted this poor girl found........then as time goes on, any mud slinging would tell me that all they really ever cared about was their reputation and, ultimately, their economy.

this has been covered and recovered extensively....

No signs that case of missing Alabama teen is closer to being solved

By JEFFRY SCOTT
Cox News Service

Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, ARUBA — On Sunday, the family of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway searched the caves on the southwest corner of this island in Arikok National Park, while in downtown Oranjestad life was slower than usual.

The country's tourism office had cancelled the annual "The Party Goes On Parade" of people dressed in costumes streaming through the streets in a kind of small scale Mardi Gras to attract vacationers in June, the low season for this tropical island in the Caribbean visited by about half a million Americans a year.

It has been a hard week in paradise.

And three weeks into the search for Holloway there are no clear signs the mystery of the missing teen, not seen since the early morning hours of May 30, is about to be solved — nor are Aruba's image woes.

In the past week authorities released the first two suspects arrested in the case, then arrested a fourth Friday. They staged a highly-publicized spectacle of a search of a beach where a local DJ claimed to have found a pair of women's underwear and condoms. They searched the island by helicopter using infrared technology.

On Saturday night — in a scene that seemed to sum up every bizarre aspect of the investigation and press frenzy — TV crews chased Paulus Van Der Sloot, a judge, and the father of one of four detained suspects in the case, Joran Van Der Sloot, 17.

The elder Van Der Sloot was coming out of the downtown Oranjestad police station, where he had been brought for questioning in connection with the case.

Seeing the camera crews, he broke into a sprint and a cameraman for CNN caught up to him as he frantically tried to unlock the door of his Mercedes and drive off.

"Mr. Van Der Sloot!" yelled a CNN cameraman. "Why are you running?"

Government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg said Sunday there are no signs the worldwide publicity, much of it bad, has hurt tourism on Aruba where automobile tags bear the slogan "One Happy Island." But he conceded the furor over Holloway's disappearance has dented Aruba's image as the safest island in the Caribbean.

"I can run you through the list of things we've been misportrayed of, fantastical things, from a high level government cover-up, to drug cartel, to prostitution and slavery," said Trappenberg." We are not Pirates of the Caribbean."

Through the weekend CNN and FOX — each with crews of about 10 — showed few signs of losing interest in the story that continues to spike ratings even though government officials and lawyers offer few comments or details of the investigation.

Camera crews sometime spend hours just waiting outside the courthouse to hoping to get a shot of a suspect leaving, and a what usually turns out to be a no-comment from lawyers and prosecutors.

On Monday, the latest suspect, tour boat disc jockey Steve Croes, 26, is expected to come before a judge who will rule whether prosecutors have enough information to hold him on suspicion of premeditated murder, murder, and kidnapping with fatal consequence.

Those are the same suspicions prosecutors have used to hold three suspects who have been in custody for eleven days: Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, and brother Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18.

The elder Van Der Sloot was called into police headquarters again Sunday for questioning and was released. His wife, Anita Van Der Sloot, said Friday her husband duty's as a lower level judge have been suspended during the the investigation; but that could not be confirmed Sunday through officials.

Island authorities said they are exerting every effort to crack the case, which is why the Oranjestad parade was cancelled Sunday. The parade gave the wrong impression Aruba officials still place promoting tourism as a top priority, said Trappenberg, and it would have put about 300 officers on streets to manage crowds and traffic.

"Those police should be searching or investigating the case instead," said the spokesman.

Resentment of the media's dogged pursuit of the Holloway investigation has angered some. Elvis Weert, a disc jockey on Aruba Radio Top 95, is one of the most vocal opponents of what he sees as disproportionate coverage of an aberrant incident.

He said the American media should scrutinize its own country as thoroughly as it has examined Aruba. "How many children have gone missing in the United States in the last month?" he said. "You don't hear anything about that."

Another radio host, Dick Miller, who, for 16 years has hosted an nightly music and talk program Canal 90 FM and, for a time, served as "Honorary goodwill ambassador to Aruba," said listeners have called saying they are distraught that Holloway is missing and distraught that it has happened in Aruba.

"This is a place of hospitality, not hostility," he said. "Nothing like this ever happens and people just don't know how to cope with it. They are extremely concerned about Natalee and her family, but everybody is affected. People can't sleep. It's terrible."

As FOX and CNN have pushed to scoop each they have both made missteps. At one point a week ago there were reports of a body found, a stain identified as blood in the automobile Natalee Holloway allegedly rode in, and a confession from one of the suspects.

None turned out to be true — but that hasn't slowed pursuit of the story. The tabloid TV show "A Current Affair" plans to air an entire program on Aruba on Monday. The National Enquirer had a reporter on the island all week researching a piece.

Authorities point to the island's crime statistics — one murder and six rapes were recorded on Aruba last year — as an evidence that Holloway's disappearance is out of character for an island renowned as one of the safest places on earth.

As much as the media obsession has distorted perceptions of the island, the authorities reluctance to release information has fueled speculation and disconnect. It's not clear how the latest suspect, Steve Croes, is involved.

The Associated Press reported that Croes might have known one of the suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, through meeting him at an internet café, but the spokeswoman for the prosecutor, Mariaine Croes declined to comment on that.

Croes ex-wife, Jeanet Gei, said Friday she sees no way her ex-husband could be involved in a violent crime. The father of her three-year old son, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, and he is a gentle. "If he stepped on a lizard, he would cry," she said.<P>


Jeffry Scott writes for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Have we not already answered this?

They also "fingered" two security guards.

I have a question..just as the 3  decided to blame the security guards, etc, and they were detained, has anyone thought about or mentioned that maybe the security guard is lying about what one of the kalpoe's said to him? I wonder if they have proof or if it is just his word against kalpoe? Now, dont get me wrong, i know these 3 have something to do with it and they are lying, but i was just wondering about that.....My hubby is a cop and he says detainees say crap all the time that isnttrue, just to stir up stuff...i dunno

Why do the Aruban people think NH's dad or stepdad work for the government? That is completely not true and they should have been able to verify that fairly easily.

These questions have been asked and answered by her friends who were on the trip with her. I can send you the link to read the transcript of the interview, if you like, to answer these questions.

Professor
You mention timeline given by PVS.  Where do you see that?  You respoded I don't want to get into that yesterday when I asked a similar question.  Is this still your position?

i get to spend 11 glorious days there starting saturday

if the camera was found the pictures are the reason beth twitty expected more arrest in the case........is been suggested nh spend time with sgc and the pics may proof it.......hence his detention

I dont feel all sides are being questioned properly because those with her before this happened , could shed a little more light
why havent we heard details about events leading up to 1 AM or when she left?
i mean ok they met at a casino
i am sure she must have told her friends something about her and Joran or what she thought of him
or something
the students should shed more light on this because there is no way they are telling all the know.

That is the report given by Riehl World, in his most recent post.

Don't, they had all been questioned by the FBI.

The kids have told the authorities what happened.   They don't need to tell us.

one thing we've learned about arubans....they love taking pics of themselves partying

It isn't an either or situation.  The average Aruba cares for both.  Who wouldn't?

thats the national sport......

I brought this up before. I believe the Kalpoe brothers are trying to save their butts. They were free long enough to know who was arrested etc. I don't buy the story.

I also still find it very ODD Deepak's female friend, while on FOX, would not make a comment that her friend Deepak was innocent. Friends usually have friends backs...seemed very weird. She made it very a point to dodge the question and say she could say that he was inncoent and not comment on his character.

The folks is Aruba have as many questions as we do. There was a discussion last night where ArubaGirl posed questions the Arubans have based on information published in US papers. You may want to check through ArubaGirl's posting from last night.

Exactly.

I think the one thought about the case that really scares me (and it might be brought on by the fact that we are not getting much in the way of details to explain what happened to NH), is how easily it seems people can disappear into thin air in today's world.

If you read up on the State Department's TIP (Trafficking in Persons) report, you'll note that Venezuela is a Tier 3 country...meaning that despite pleas by other governments to police human trafficking and slavery, the country's government has, for the most part, ignored the problem (or does not comply with the standards). Evidence is available that would support export of commercial trade from Venezuela to the north into Mexico.

I guess that's why I hope the Aruban government is following pure, solid leads, and not just grasping at straws. We really have no idea what they are doing, but trying to solve the case. However, if NH's trail went from the California lighthouse, across the sea to Venezuela...then there's no way of knowing where she could be, now.

That's all speculation, as well. Like I said, just something that's really scarey to think about, in the worst case scenario...

why are we getting bare details about what happened before???????????

about who natalee was
and how she felt about Joran
if anything?
or what exactly went on in the bar?

i am getting a sense of who Joran is and stories about him but what about her?
i just want to paint a picture
of who is who and what is what??
also what about the 2 in St thomas?
why no one cares about them or who their killers were?
what a prime example of America's stereotypes

Does anyone know the timeline of Natalie the day of CnC?  Maybe even the week?

i dont know if this is close, but i think the heat is shifting to the vd sloots and away from satish... what do you guys think?

Hello everyone..
  I am "new" to the group. I have been sitting around for the past 3 weeks just reading. I decided to join today!!  Thank you to all that have been posting such great info.. I hear more on here then on the news..although I do have my tv on right now in the other room on FOX.. listening. Thank you to Nikki for helping me out learning to post!! ha ha :lol:   Fogive me if I make boo~boo's!!

Again, I reiterate, we do not know everything because it is an investigation. Everyone, family, friends, police, FBI etc are very closed mouth because they have to be.

We are up and Running. :D
People pop in & out.
Hi ((cat)) all all you Great SM'S

hi ya'll..........while following up on some of the links posted here, and doing all the reading. I understood S.Croes family to have said he did not know joran, but here is a picture at what appears to be a party, with joran, steve and a couple of others!  It is the 7th picture down, also I heard an investigative reporter from Aruba this am on Fox report Croes only know deepak and not joran

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_joranvandersloot_archive.html

None of us know the FACTS. We only know what we have SPECULATED from hearsay information.

ok first of all we all want answers
we demand arubas investigation and their answers
why cant we demand public answers from the friends too??
hmmmm????
you want a blow by blow from aruba right????????????

That is a valid point.  Exactly what I have questioned before.  How could so called friends let an obviously too drunk Natalee leave with 3 foreigners, a few hours before flight time.

That does not seem credible.  I know, I've been in that situation before and did not allow my friend to go...  Friends don't allow that.....

MBHS

How are you today by the way?

Cleary there is an attempt here to save natalees reputation

People have been disappearing along the Mexican border for the last year.  

Yes, you can just disappear into thin air.

Not just in Aruba.  That is why we watch America's most wanted.

That is why it even exists.

Hi,

Newbie here, but really like this site.

I have been reading several other sites as well, and curious if anyone knows of a timeline for all the cell phone calls that have been mentioned.  

I heard there was a call from one of the two brothers to Joran at about 4 am, then one from Joran's dad to Joran at about 6 am. I know kids tend to keep in touch with one another, meet up for parties, get togethers etc. via cell phone.  Does anyone know if any of that info has gotten out into a public forum?  I know the Dutch rules make access to any of the information difficult. In fact, I know that is why Joran's lawyer is being refused access visits to Joran for 8 days, since he apparently talked to witnesses in the case. (Maybe Joran's father?)

I also wonder if the police have searched the computers at the internet cafe?

Dont..we have a fairly clear picture of who natalee is...they have told us a thousand times she is of high moral standards, smart, etc..We can "paint " a picture of Joran as well..as we have for weeks now....he is a "player" loves to party, makes himself known to the party scene, etc....

EXACTLY
WHY?
Its so frustrating!
it doesnt even make sense to let someone go off like that, I mean at least someone should have offered to go with her and not alone with 3 guys

At the homepage of this very website, a poster by the name Ester mentioned that in Aruba a girl was missing and later turned out was with a newly found Arubian boyfriend, had her family all upset and stuff...do we know her name, link references about such stories, and what happenened to her?

Personally, I think if there was any information that Natalee was in Venezuela (or any other country for that matter), her parents would be in that country looking and putting pressure on their government.  I have to think that there are very strong indications that Natalee is still on the island.

AMEN Cancun! We know nothing, something speculation or rumors prove to be true BUT without anyone allowed to make factual statements, we can only guess UNTIL the proof comes.

Fine...just a LITTLE frustrated at the relentless, annoying "they should talk" comments about her roomates...sigh.

I guess that'll never go away though.

Anyway, how are you?

Joran was also
honor student
involved with sports
we found out other stuff because we dug for it and demanded it
why dont arubans have the same right?

as i said the other day, i d be very hesitant to bring anyone else in on the words of satish, deepak, and joran....their word means nothing

They could dig. THey'd have to get on the internet and look, like the people finding out about Joran have. The difference is that they would not find anything that would tarnish her reputation.

Joran was supposed to be
a good kid too..
we dug for dirt and we got it on him
why dont arubans have the right to get their dirt?

Carlo is no longer Joran's attorney. He has two new attorney's and has since that barring.

We can not get evidence information as it is "private" and we have not heard any rumors etc of who called, texted etc other than what was stated byt he brothers.

welcome angie and dublin!!!!! Sit back and enjoy and get ready to be addicted VERY soon...lol....I need to go eat now..cant remember when i did that last....hmmm..

It seems to be one of the brothers 'fingered' to Steve Croes

((MBHS)) I comepletely understand. I am trying to curb it and offer the links to interviews with Dash. *sigh* So sorry hun!

I am good! Praying.. wanting, like y'all, to find Natalee today.

http://www.amw.com/report_tip/report_tip_special_case.cfm?id=32411

If someone does not want to use the fbi hotline for whatever reason, this one on America's Most Wanted promises secrecy.


Also the article on Natalee is interesting and mentions the MC at CandC noticing her leaving also--not jsut her friends.

You can have one accident and get 10 different stories.  I am wondering if sometimes cops will account for different perspective and interpretation.  If you look at the famous OJ simpson for example.  The case of the no so fitting glove....at one hand you can say its the murderer glove, then OJ tries to put it on, and viola, it does not fit.  There fore using pure logic, you must aquit....

Yes- they have the right to do that--------But do they have the right to take away an innocent girl from family that adores her regardless of any type of reputation you may have other than the fact is - she's a good kid

That is correct. Nothing on this message board represents anything more than rumor and heresay. And?

mbhs....i dont understand why u get upset......the students were there they can help find her faster if they tell all they really know

On the O'Reilly Factor he interviewed two friends of Natalee's that saw her at C&C's, Alana the girl interviewed said she spoke to Natalee at closing time and that Natalee did not appear drunk, and she asked Natalee if she was OK, Natalee said yes,Alana also said she would not have left Natalee if she had thought she was overly intoxicated. The other guy interviewed said he saw Natalee earlier in the week w/ Joran and also that nite dancing w/ him, and that she (Nat) did not appear drunk either

This whole issue HAS been addressed by someone on the trip that has posted here in SM.  I don't think the rest of us want to re-hash this again.  You can do a search of posted by member name (----).  She was on the trip and has given us alot of insight.

Sadly, I am afraid you are right.  Just keep in your heart what you KNOW most of us feel about Natalee and her family, sympathy and concern, along w/ a host of other emotions.

Weird that it won't let me in, it hangs in "logging in" mode

A) They thought she was going back to her hotel
B) They saw her with one guy, not three
C) Most didn't see her get in the car
D) Many (if not all) the ones who saw her get in the car thought it was a taxi as they look like regular cars in Aruba

just saw this...

http://www.hasibokos.com/

MBHS..chin up, hon..I know this is hard on you and the rest of the guys from MB...my sis lives there..I know you guys are innundated with stuff and people that doubt your credibility are not thinking of what you must be dealing with....hope all is well..hang in there..basically we all want the same thing, and that is natalee's safe return....

Agreed Compananzi. Like I always say there is a tiny truth to every lie. So it's like trying to filter out what 10 lies have that tiny bit of truth, making the real story in order to find Natalee.

most likely sgc was featured all over natalee's personal camera

lets poly the public information officer fisrt, okay???

troll alert

This is the first I've heard of this. Is there a source available?

Hi All~

Seems like another day without much news.  

One thing I just wanted to add . . . last night on Fox several folks mentioned that Joran was JUST 17, ONLY A KID, when they referred to him getting to see his parents . . .  :roll:

not to bash, but apparantly his parents thought he was old enough to live in his own apartment (on their property), stay out until all hours of the night, drink and gamble . . . hummmmmmm . . . sorry that just bugged me . . . had to get it off my chest . . . okay, now back to work  :shock:

Because they HAVE told the authorities. The information has been given to the RIGHT people. They don't need to be sharing it, and they know that. It might hinder the investigation. I'm just sick of people saying that they are "hiding" something and saying that they are not helping because they won't blab everything to the media. They are doing exactly what they are SUPPOSED to be doing.

The brothers  (or one)......pointing the 'finger' to Joran
The brothers  (one) .........pointing the 'finger' to Croes
Did the brothers also pointed to the guards? or was it all three of them??

A great question to ponder. Why would a kid with some to gain in life, do something so stupid. I think that's more important to maul over than Natalee's action or character since we already know Natalee is wonderful!

Dittos to absolut. Someone should get Mom on a poly asap. ( We have to get her to shut up for 3 minutes and sit still, which might be impossible ) Similar situation in the U.S., and poly would have been done days ago to both parents, step-parents.

Is it true that authorities are questioning Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy?

Is it possible that Natalee is an alcoholic magician? She got drunk and disappeared.

Is it possible that nh ran off with Woody Allen, who has tired of his "older" wife-daughter Soon Yi?

Should the Aruban Tourism Bureau's new slogan be: "Aruba ! We're solving the world population crisis........... one tourist at a time." or,

"Aruba!-- Sun, Sand, Fun, Drug Lords, White Slavery."

George W Bush on the topic: "I'm sorry to hear that Conway Twitty is in some sort of trouble down in Saudi Arubia."

Weren't Carlos and Charlie a comedy team back in the 1940's? In a movie with Bob Hope entitled Road To Aruba. Anyone remember it?

Made-for-tv movie casting list has been leaked from a Hollywood studio. Joran, to be played by Leonardo di Caprio. Natalee Holloway......Alicia Silverstone. Surinamese brothers......the Olsen twins in black-face. Beth Twitty...... Cathy Lee Gifford.

I'm starting my "Don't Buy Aruban" campaign, encouraging people to not purchase products made there, like kiddie-porn, date-rape pills, shark-shaped contraceptive sponges, and that offensive new board game which features the cute blonde in black horn-rimmed glasses, called "Where's Natalee?"

God bless.

Sorry..I got Coffee & Cake  :D .
Steve is still in court. It has been 3 hours.
I hope they let him Go.
**We SM'S give him  a Bottle of  RUM and he will Talk**

I believe all three of them had the exact same story in saying they dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and saw her walking up to a guard.

Beth found the camera and after some soul searching released the pictures, I read somewhere there some pics there and of the prom.

There is a troll amongst us right now, and we know who it is. I would recommend we follow the advice and "ghost it"

KackyLacky, I've looked at that same pic quite a few times and compared it to the SGC pics. "I" really don't think it's the same person but I could be wrong.

perhaps a troll needs to be ghosted for a while..

Dittos to absolut. Someone should get Mom on a poly asap. ( We have to get her to shut up for 3 minutes and sit still, which might be impossible ) Similar situation in the U.S., and poly would have been done days ago to both parents, step-parents.

Is it true that authorities are questioning Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy?

Is it possible that Natalee is an alcoholic magician? She got drunk and disappeared.

Is it possible that nh ran off with Woody Allen, who has tired of his "older" wife-daughter Soon Yi?

Should the Aruban Tourism Bureau's new slogan be: "Aruba ! We're solving the world population crisis........... one tourist at a time." or,

"Aruba!-- Sun, Sand, Fun, Drug Lords, White Slavery."

George W Bush on the topic: "I'm sorry to hear that Conway Twitty is in some sort of trouble down in Saudi Arubia."

Weren't Carlos and Charlie a comedy team back in the 1940's? In a movie with Bob Hope entitled Road To Aruba. Anyone remember it?

Made-for-tv movie casting list has been leaked from a Hollywood studio. Joran, to be played by Leonardo di Caprio. Natalee Holloway......Alicia Silverstone. Surinamese brothers......the Olsen twins in black-face. Beth Twitty...... Cathy Lee Gifford.

I'm starting my "Don't Buy Aruban" campaign, encouraging people to not purchase products made there, like kiddie-porn, date-rape pills, shark-shaped contraceptive sponges, and that offensive new board game which features the cute blonde in black horn-rimmed glasses, called "Where's Natalee?"

God bless.

Dittos to absolut. Someone should get Mom on a poly asap. ( We have to get her to shut up for 3 minutes and sit still, which might be impossible ) Similar situation in the U.S., and poly would have been done days ago to both parents, step-parents.

Is it true that authorities are questioning Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy?

Is it possible that Natalee is an alcoholic magician? She got drunk and disappeared.

Is it possible that nh ran off with Woody Allen, who has tired of his "older" wife-daughter Soon Yi?

Should the Aruban Tourism Bureau's new slogan be: "Aruba ! We're solving the world population crisis........... one tourist at a time." or,

"Aruba!-- Sun, Sand, Fun, Drug Lords, White Slavery."

George W Bush on the topic: "I'm sorry to hear that Conway Twitty is in some sort of trouble down in Saudi Arubia."

Weren't Carlos and Charlie a comedy team back in the 1940's? In a movie with Bob Hope entitled Road To Aruba. Anyone remember it?

Made-for-tv movie casting list has been leaked from a Hollywood studio. Joran, to be played by Leonardo di Caprio. Natalee Holloway......Alicia Silverstone. Surinamese brothers......the Olsen twins in black-face. Beth Twitty...... Cathy Lee Gifford.

I'm starting a "Don't Buy Aruban" campaign, encouraging people to not purchase products made there, like kiddie-porn, date-rape pills, shark-shaped contraceptive sponges, and that offensive new board game which features the cute blonde in black horn-rimmed glasses, called "Where's Natalee?"

God bless.

I've only seen prom, Senior Banquet, and graduation. There are others?

Dittos to absolut. Someone should get Mom on a poly asap. ( We have to get her to shut up for 3 minutes and sit still, which might be impossible ) Similar situation in the U.S., and poly would have been done days ago to both parents, step-parents.

Is it true that authorities are questioning Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy?

Is it possible that Natalee is an alcoholic magician? She got drunk and disappeared.

Is it possible that nh ran off with Woody Allen, who has tired of his "older" wife-daughter Soon Yi?

Should the Aruban Tourism Bureau's new slogan be: "Aruba ! We're solving the world population crisis........... one tourist at a time." or,

"Aruba!-- Sun, Sand, Fun, Drug Lords, White Slavery."

George W Bush on the topic: "I'm sorry to hear that Conway Twitty is in some sort of trouble down in Saudi Arubia."

Weren't Carlos and Charlie a comedy team back in the 1940's? In a movie with Bob Hope entitled Road To Aruba. Anyone remember it?

Made-for-tv movie casting list has been leaked from a Hollywood studio. Joran, to be played by Leonardo di Caprio. Natalee Holloway......Alicia Silverstone. Surinamese brothers......the Olsen twins in black-face. Beth Twitty...... Cathy Lee Gifford.

I'm starting a "Don't Buy Aruban" campaign, encouraging people to not purchase products made there, like kiddie-porn, date-rape pills, shark-shaped contraceptive sponges, and that offensive new board game which features the cute blonde in black horn-rimmed glasses, called "Where's Natalee?"

God bless.

i think it is safe to say we are all more concerned with
where NATALEE is right now and could give sh*t about
how her bags were packed....

how insensitive!

Some of you guys need to give MBHS a break...they are doing all they can...please be nice!

or maybe two trolls should be ghosted

the mb and aruban people on this board have been invaluable.

possible theory, van der sloot leaves natalee at the fisherman huts and she walks down the beach toward the HI, runs into steve croes... he works on the tattoo, but i don t think the tattoo goes out on sunday nite, maybe he was looking for her, nahhhhhh, thats not possible....

Yes, according to NBC this morning, there were local Alabama pictures and also pics taken in Aruba.  They haven't broadcast the pics taken in Aruba - probably the interesting ones to the case.

Dittos to absolut. Someone should get Mom on a poly asap. ( We have to get her to shut up for 3 minutes and sit still, which might be impossible ) Similar situation in the U.S., and poly would have been done days ago to both parents, step-parents.

Is it true that authorities are questioning Gary Condit and Ted Kennedy?

Is it possible that Natalee is an alcoholic magician? She got drunk and disappeared.

Is it possible that nh ran off with Woody Allen, who has tired of his "older" wife-daughter Soon Yi?

Should the Aruban Tourism Bureau's new slogan be: "Aruba ! We're solving the world population crisis........... one tourist at a time." or,

"Aruba!-- Sun, Sand, Fun, Drug Lords, White Slavery."

George W Bush on the topic: "I'm sorry to hear that Conway Twitty is in some sort of trouble down in Saudi Arubia."

God bless.

-MC

sorry by there I should of said of "Home" and of the beachon Aruba

If there were others they rightly would nto be sharing them with the public right now.

Troll alert- troll alert- close bridge so the troll cannot cross..........

It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Thank you for being so helpful. Not all of us have been here from day one and know all the answers.

Troll alert- troll alert- close bridge so the troll cannot cross..........

nice!  perhaps u will learn a little pap? :lol:

Ah, ok. I didn't know what "there" was referring to. I definetly think those should be kept under wraps...ANY information that can help find her should.

who the troll?, looks like a nother "investigation" is under way :shock:

 i do apologize to u ....i am not a troll.....i hope shes found save and alive...but its strange to alot of us that all the info only comes from the suspects and nothing or very little from her friends

Scared Monkeys Media Alert

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Tom will be appearing on the Andy Thomas Show again today at 3 pm EDT.
Andy Thomas’s show is heard throughout the Carolinas on WOIC 1230 AM, and also on the internet.

Listen to it here on the internet, The Andy Thomas Show, http://woic.com/skin/elink.php?url=www.americasradioshow.com

They will be further discussing the Natalee Holloway story and how blogging has interacted with it.

Red

did you guys hear about the missing boy scout... thats so sad. i hope he s found..

Before I go to the store and leave for a bit.. I will say it one more time...


NO ONE CAN SAY ANYTHING! They were asked NOT to speak. The have spoken to the most important people and have Natalee's rescue in their best interest! Please for the love of pete, stop bringing up Natalee's friends speaking. Everyone who needed to speak, spoke. That is how we got this far in the first place.

K BBL

most likely sgc was featured all over natalee's personal camera[/quote]Actually, there were some very nice pictures on Natalee's camera, especially those of her w/ her mom and dad on graduation night.  They have been released by the family and are available for viewing.  If you'd like to see some of them, search for the Montgomery Advertisor (a newspaper in Montgomery, Alabama).  You might enjoy seeing how pretty and happy she looks w/ her parents. :)

Amen Sister!! Well said!!

It's because her friends know that to make sure the investigation goes smoothly they have to keep quiet to the media. Also, and I'm guilty of this too, a lot of us are guilty of just plain curiosity. And they don't want to feed that since it might end up hurting the investigation. And another reason is that people WILL come up with the answers they want to, and they WILL be horrible to these kids. It's why me and Dash won't say who else was on the trip, etc. Because what if their name leaks out? You know what will happen, we all do. They WILL get bashed and harrassed.

I saw your posts and a couple of others who didn't think it was the same guy, so I did an experiment. I asked 3 people who had not idea who this guy was to look at the 3 pictures. The comparison on dan's site and this one I talk about above. None of these 3 are really following this case close, and 2 of them don't even have a computer to tarnish their opinions. All 3 agree these 3 are pics of the same guy. In the comparison photo Dan has up--it was decided the pic on the left is just a thinner Steve, because the ears are the same. This is not a scientific experiement. I just thought they were the same guy, and I wanted to see if others thought the same thing.

Maybe Joran told the truth about that he was brought home first...
And did the brothers drive on with natalee...
Then maybe something happend or the brought natalee to a party or something....
And the brothers find out the next day she went missing...
Then they go to see Joran and tell him that, and because of that they made up first the story that they drove her of to to the Hilton because they were scared that someone might think they had something to do with her dissaperence....

So they made the story together by jorans`s pool to stick to that story....

And then when they were arrested put the blame on Joran!!
That could also explain why Joran said to the guard; " The selling me out"

Anybody think of that??

And the other story that they made up could joran told his dad or something.

Just a theory

I hope nobody is calling me a troll since I have just joined..I am new to posting and trying to figure this all out.. I have been reading for weeks now and wanted to join in.. this is why I hesitated to post to begin with..I have read alot of rude remarks some have said.. and YES they WERE trolls.. maybe I should have just sat back and read..!!  I thought this forum was here for everyone.. everyone that is concerned for the Halloway family and others!!! I am having a hard time posting..this is new to me!!  Thanks for the help Nikki.. I will catch on!!!!  :D

FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away.  On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott.  He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine.  He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing.  He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers.  He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it.  I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into.  I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted.

FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away.  On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott.  He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine.  He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing.  He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers.  He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it.  I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into.  I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted.

FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away.  On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott.  He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine.  He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing.  He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers.  He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it.  I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into.  I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted.

FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away.  On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott.  He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine.  He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing.  He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers.  He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it.  I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into.  I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted.

martin-

i think i just heard charlos&chuckies is offering a reward, too
no not officially

whose the troll?.....i dont see him

FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away.  On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott.  He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine.  He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing.  He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers.  He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it.  I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into.  I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted.

The last time I looked Trolls were short and squat with warts - if the bridge is up they would have to hurl their bodies into the moat in order to escape - any sightings?

I agree that the thinner person and the larger MSNBC pic are the same person, but the person on:
 http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_joranvandersloot_archive.html
appears to have different ears, eyebrows (lol, maybe he had them waxed) nose etc. I'll PM you what I was comparing.

I do find it almost amusing that now all these stories are popping up about teens going on vacation and how to prepare them or should you let them go at all

because the fact of the matter is this kind of thing can happen to your teenagers this weekend in your hometown

girls/women are date raped and/or given date rape drugs all the time, girls are sometimes date raped by guys they have known for a long time and mom and dad might even think he's a sweet nice boy

girls go missing all the time, we got girls snatched out of their beds even whilst the rest of the family sleeps

kids go to these large parties (where we live they call em bush parties) and they don't know all the people there, they have too much to drink etc

so the time to prepare your kids is not before they go on a trip but when they are 10 and 11

and even after you do all that, tragic things can still happen, at home or on a trip

She wasn't wearing jeans or a jean skirt.  Next...

OK DA, I will play DA also.

Just supposing the kids do know something that could be helpful.  Can't you understand why that needs to be kept private to the investigation.

Whomever the guilty party or parties are, it is best that they don't KNOW what the authorities do or do not know.


Most on here have said how innocent the kids from Aruba seem.  I honestly could totally understand why a girl would have no radar go off with Joran.  He is really quite nice looking, he is very smart, he is planning to go to school in the US, he is an athlete.  He and Nat would have many things in common and not just sex.

The real issue is that somewhere between dancing with an interesting man on the dancefloor,  and the plane leaving Aruba,  something bad happened.

No one knows what.  But Joran was the person last seen with her.  

Wondering and asking about him is only naturual.   You can bet your bippy that the FBI have also been finding out everything they can about Nat.

Understanding her better helps the investigation.


Even if she had been the class slut and lush, and most classes have at least one  :cry: , she did not deserve to disappear.

I don't think there is any evidence that the kids are hiding things.  They are just talking ONLY to the authorities because anything elso might harm the investigation.

good point. lets all just pray for Natalles safe return-soon.

So what.

She needs money to buy food and various other things. This ATM thing means nothing nothing nothing.

Me neither, not a troll.  New to this site today.  Just looking to brainstorm to find Natalee and provide some information to her family.  I don't think most of us mean any harm, but censoring is not always the answer.  Certainly, I am not bashing Natalee. IMO, it's never okay to bash or blame a victim, and in the end, that is exactly what Natalee is, a victim. But there are valid points to consider.  

Thanks to the other posters that cleared up why her friends thought it was okay to let her go with JVS.  I guess the older I get, the less trusting I am of doing something like that.  Seen enough evil in this world.

I do wonder if they slipped something into her drink that would make her appear not to be drunk, that would make her willingly go....

Where can we find the pics of Natalee on the Montgomery Advisor website?

While that's possible, it's apparent the police don't believe that. Otherwise, why has the investigation been revolving around him? They've searched his house, impounded his parents' cars and questioned his dad. As far as we've heard, they haven't done any of those things with the Kalpoe brothers, other than impounding the car Natalee was last seen in (10 days after she disappeared, btw

They have also search the brothers hous(es) because that was the house were the computer was brought out and stuff, you can see that that was another house then Jordan`s house I thougth that was before they searched Joran`s house

Actually, there were some very nice pictures on Natalee's camera, especially those of her w/ her mom and dad on graduation night.  They have been released by the family and are available for viewing.  If you'd like to see some of them, search for the Montgomery Advertisor (a newspaper in Montgomery, Alabama).  You might enjoy seeing how pretty and happy she looks w/ her parents. :)[/quote]


can you post the link?
I cant seem to find anything?

If she was supposedly at a ATM.. they have cameras in them.. her picture would have been taken. I may be slow at learning to post.. but worked for several PD deparmtents for over 3 years!

Me neither, not a troll.  New to this site today.  Just looking to brainstorm to find Natalee and provide some information to her family.  I don't think most of us mean any harm, but censoring is not always the answer.  Certainly, I am not bashing Natalee. IMO, it's never okay to bash or blame a victim, and in the end, that is exactly what Natalee is, a victim. But there are valid points to consider.  

Thanks to the other posters that cleared up why her friends thought it was okay to let her go with JVS.  I guess the older I get, the less trusting I am of doing something like that.  Seen enough evil in this world.

I do wonder if they slipped something into her drink that would make her appear not to be drunk, that would make her willingly go....

This may be a hoax but still needs to be looked into.  The way this investigation is going there, there is no guarantee they even checked the film.  Also, Montgomery newspapers addreess is www.montgomeryadvertiser.com.

if she did just runaway  why would all these strangers spend time in jail to help her out?

Probably. I can't imagine... nobody takes a camera "on vacations" to Aruba.

dont look in the mirror while on computer.....very vain of u

One of those pictured is the one being held, the other is working with the Red Cross to help the family.

I'm not sure, but think the one on the left is the DJ from the tattoo.  Not sure though.

http://www.masemultimedia.com/sameguy.jpg

Sorry.. I kept getting this error screen and didn't realize I kept reposting this. I'm going to see if I can delete the dups.

did ayone see theh FOX show last night?? where htey interviewd a retired POlivce man from aruba?? how the lady ccut him off everytime he watned to ask the question if th FBI was inverstigation the backround of NH...not to put speculation on them or anything but just becuase usually that is the way an investigation usually "walks" but the hostess of the show would NOT let him talk! it was so obviouse that she would literally jsut cut him off whenever he started to talk about htat....also here the FOX channel interviwed or wanted an interview wiht the TOP95 radio crew and wheneverthe owner of the radio (edmond) would start talkign about how so much attention was being put on this case...not that its not important..but also how about all those missing & exploided children in Alabma that arent getting not even 1/4 of the exposure ...and they asked him please not to comment on that anymroe....WHY NOT???? see this is what pises me off about the press now they throw stones and 4get that there house is of glass

From news reports: Steve Croes knows Deepak from the Internet Cafe where D worked. Supposedly, SGC doesn't know J. SGC questioned/held because he was overheard talking about the case.

the web site doesnt show any pics
i even searched?
can someone help
?

She wasn't wearing jeans or a jean skirt.  Next...[/quote]


troll or scroll??? as usual i an confused...

So, why did I keep getting an error when it was really posting.  It said some sort of phpp error in script then an option to "debug", which didn't work.  

hmmm [/quote][/b]

 
Dublin.. the picture on the right is the one they showed earlier on FOX when he was in the police car leaving the hearing...!

***DEL***

It's plausible if the decision to go was made as she was walking out the door; everyone thought she was leaving with them or to go back to HI, and by the time they could do anything about it she was gone.  These youngsters seem conscientious and not trouble-makers. No one (to my knowledge) was arrested or wound up in the hospital; there was only one known scuffle (with Joran).  These guys sound low-key and fairly tight-knit.

MY GOODNESS GUYS! UNDERSTAND IT THE SAME GUY!!!!!!!!! Im sorry but uve had this like 10000 times already...event he link says it  SAMEGUY!

This is by the way the SECOND boy scout missing and not yet found. Was this boy without supervision?

I am sure these are the same guy....  I've seen both pictures on other sites as well.  Look at the eyebrows...

***DEL***
Deleting the extra posts I made while trying to figure out how to debug this frag GRRRR..

Sorry.

can someone please send me the link to her pics?

Hi "detective", the keyword here is "on the night before"  :!:

**DEL**

first off jorans not that great looking...he has enuf forehead for 4 ppl.....and how do u know 4 certain all the kids have told everything they know......dont u find weird that a beauty like nat has no link to any mbhs boys.....r they all gay?....where were they during the trip?

u r still funny guy!

Its quite obvious the 2 pics are of the same man. They only showed the heavier set pic with the twisted hat on Fox today after the hearing.. also.. thank you for all of the info you have provided..I been reading this for weeks.. and thanks to the others also.. and God Bless NH family and friends of MBHS...Everyone is in my prayers.

Hey folks!  Just dropped in to see what condition your condition was in!  Sadly I see several post of the following sort.  I guess too much time on your hands or something.



Hey, DONTGETEXCITED, don't get so excited!  But in my opinion you have no right to "DEMAND PUBLIC ANSWERS FROM THE FRIENDS".

If you're incapable of being more sensitive than that, you should back away.  Remember Natalee is the victim and hers friends are the most devastated by this.  LAY OFF! :evil:

This is just my opinion but I know it is a popular sentiment.

someone
anyone
link to pics on alabama web site?

Hi Compananzi,i don't remember her name,i saw a poster with her foto and name hanging at moomba beach,i was really upset because i felt so sorry for her parents but at the moomba beach they where just laughing about it saying well she will turn up sooner or later,happens a few times a year.Maybe you can find something about this story at www.diario.com,they have a history page ..

Someone earlier said it was the same person, that he had just put on some weight.

the EMT guy looks nothing like this Steve Croes.........I will try to find the link to him again

americaninaruba,

I will say, "thanks" for the info you HAVE been able to supply.
It is much appreciated!

Yes I know that cancun, i made a mistake with quoting the artikel, it`s an artikel from AM Aruba a newspaper online from today.

http://am.aruba.tv/

now look at this


http://photos16.flickr.com/19750652_a66c88a7c4_o.jpg


imo these three pictures are of the same guy..........but not th EMT named Steve Croes..........

No, the key phrase is "the night before she was reported missing" (ie the last night she was seen).

Anyway, it's irrelevent.  If she ran away, where is she?  You think she could hide on a 70 square mile island forever?  Why did the 3 arrested guys lie about where they dropped her off?

Hi Compananzi,i don't remember her name,i saw a poster with her foto and name hanging at moomba beach,i was really upset because i felt so sorry for her parents but at the moomba beach they where just laughing about it saying well she will turn up sooner or later,happens a few times a year.Maybe you can find something about this story at www.diario.com,they have a history page ..
just asked my son...her name is kathy and she was staying at the marriot hotel.

1.  That is not Steve Croes
2.  Please don't paste pictures in here, it thows the pages off, just paste the link.

Thank you!

Hi Compananzi,i don't remember her name,i saw a poster with her foto and name hanging at moomba beach,i was really upset because i felt so sorry for her parents but at the moomba beach they where just laughing about it saying well she will turn up sooner or later,happens a few times a year.Maybe you can find something about this story at www.diario.com,they have a history page ..
just asked my son...her name is kathy and she was staying at the marriot hotel.

i just wanna see the pictures
i went to the alabama newspaper site and saw nothing
help?

Maybe the called joran before that and then made the story up, only if that`s the case it indicates that the brothers for sure knows what happened

not the same guy.......eyebrows are way too different

You know what?I donteven wan tto coem onilne anymore...(LISTEN TO TOP95) its in english!!![/quote]



kudos aia...we all have hope
and yes dag in english now that i finally understand...pap.
what is this now on dag- old news on those poor 2 security gaurds??
no wonder people in aua r confused....i feel for you. i love aruba much aia

I think this is what you want:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5familysearch19w.htm

I just wanted to make an oservation here.

trimmer wrote:
FYI, on Courttv.com there is a message board for Natalee with a thread about her possibly running away. On this thread there is a poster by the name of Lazlo who states that on the night before she was reported missing, he saw someone who looked like her repeatedly trying to get money from and ATM in the lobby of the Marriott. He said he stood behind her for 20 min. and she was very upset and couldnt get any cash from the machine. He didn't think much more about it until the next day when he saw someone with her desription was missing. He said she was wearing a blue jean skirt or trousers. He has not reported it to the FBI but instead told the hotel manager about it. I have just called the FBI as this needs to be looked into. I don't feel she ran away but that is the thread where this information is posted. "

Now please tell me,  has anyone ever tried for 20 MINUTES before giving up at an ATM?  
I don't think so!

thank you whoever posted the link!
finally.

The pictures of steve..THIS HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED PLEASE STOP TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT...... IT IS NOW A KNOWN FACT...start reading old posts...catch yourself up to date....This person has friends here and it is very painful to keep rehashing it...THANKS


ALSO....when you post something...just post it once even if the debug message comes on....then go back and refresh the page to see if your message is posted....THANKS


frustrated.....

many thanks..

This is the Steve Croes that is being questioned. From Fox News site.
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/167260/5_28_062005_croes.jpg)

That sounds like a good lead, ATM do have cameras and timedate...again who knows if this is know already to the FBI, and family...

The night Nat's mom arrived on the island, they found out about Joran - got the police and went to house - father says he's at the casino - they all go - Joran calls father on cellphone saying he's home now - they all return to home - BOTH Joran and YOUNGER BROTHER (Satish?) were at the house waiting.  They had been together that night and had plenty of time to work out a story between the three of them. See following quote from Dan's website

"The entire group, including the police, headed back to the Van der Sloot home.  They arrived to find Joran Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe, the younger of two brothers recently detained in the matter, leaning casually against what has been reported to be the grey car now impounded in the investigation."

You are right. I interpreted that incorrectly. Sorry.
Now... about the "lies"... I saw that as "one truth and a pack of lies". Personaly I prefer follow the "deducted" of the "who lose more with the crime" theory than the "X is guilt" theory. :wink:

Sorry, but the guy in the pic you linked looks nothing like the Steve Croes in custody.

Any news already on Steve Croes?

Starting to wonder if PVDS "took care" of things without JVDS's knowledge. Something bad happens on beach, J calls dad, dad says, no worries, I'll deal with it/her. Go to sleep, you have a test tomorrow.

Then dad does something bad, maybe having to do with Lorenzo and his speedboat, knowing full well that no body is no crime. Or -- she may have been alive but unconscious, and dad knows a rape charge will sink his son's bright future.

So Joran is put in the position of lying to cover his own father.

I think this has been speculated before -- but scenario exonerates Joran from certain things. I still have a hard time believing he is a hardened criminal. I can believe his dad is, though.

here it is....
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5familysearch19w.htm

At this point, there have been hundreds of witnesses interviewed who have reported that Natalee Holloway wouldn't just go off on a 2 week binge, visiting Aruban crack houses.

That would be the ONLY reason to administer polygraphs to the parents.
Let's be truthful about it. We have already established that that dog won't hunt.

And, as far as "all those missing and exploited children in Alabama" are concerned, what would be the point, other that to claim that one missing girl in Aruba ain't no big deal?

What you don't seem to understand is that the people who watch Fox News want to FIND NATALEE HOLLOWAY, and not get into some philosophical discussion of relative crime rates between Alabama and Aruba.

Personally, I find that kind of stuff offensive, because it makes it seem like the Aruban authorities are more interested in their own image than in finding Natalee Holloway.

And those spokesmen did more damage to the reputation of Aruba than Dee Fine ever did.

Yes.. I found out to late that it kept reposting. I tried logging out, then logging in, closing all my windows etc., and kept getting the error, so thanks for the tip about hitting refresh. Though you'd thinking logging out and in would have helped.

Clearly, I didn't intend to keep posting that.  Arghh.. and spent the time to try to delete all the extra ones.  I'm now posting a sticky note to my computer which states in bold letters...


Keep your hands off the phpbb!!! yakk

simple question......if natalee's friends were rounding up the group after c/c to go back to the hotel  , checking other bars and so forth....and they saw a sober nat get in a car ....why didnt these considerate friends sound any alarms until it was time to leave?

Still in Court.4 hours and counting. I want him out**so we can Grill him**@ SM'S :shock:

Thats why I left.....If that was the case he should have reported it asap, not on court tv's website  :x
The trolls are out in full force over there at CTV

When all this is over with, I think the Holloway/Twitty family are gonna own their own private island!!!!

americaninaruba, I certainly hope that you will stick around!  I think we are all frustrated at this point ~ we all want Natalee HOME :)  We truly appreciate you being here and all of your input!

Those pics certainly settle once and for all the rumor that Nat is willingly missing.  Just look at her smile, posture, body language...close with her mom, arm up on mom....clearly no lingering problems between them!! As a mom of a 16 y.o., I know we all have our ups and downs when kids are teens, but those recent grad pictures show a very tight, happy, loving family.

My thoughts also.  

It seems with no new news coming out we are speculating more and more and that can be offensive to some.  Maybe we need to spend our time searching for new news or listening to TV of radio and not making up scenarios, then posting what we have learned.

WHy didn't they just call Joran on his cell phone from the parents' house?

there is more to be seen than meets the eye.

Lots of Real nutz@CTV.Most belong IN Court :wink:

Hi All,

I would like to comment something about the dutch law with regards to the statement given by one of the guards,

By Dutch law in order to lengthen the suspects detention a judge must consider 3 things

1. risk of suspect escaping
2. risk of suspects communicating with each other
3. for the benefit of the investigation

If it complies with one of the 3 above the judge can decide to lengthen detention .

please not point number 2. risk of suspects communicating with each other

Now the guard claimed that he has spoken to the older kaploe brother in jail who made statements regarding dropping of natalee.

If this is true the suspects lawyer can file for a mistrial , as this is a serious violation of the rights of the suspects .

So I think we can regard the comment made by the security guard as complete nonsense and should be disregarded.

This Lazio must've made a pretty quick trip to Aruba, seeing how he was continuing to post on Natalees' and other threads at CTV except between May 27th and June 2nd. It is possible, although I suspect he was probably celebrating Troll Days or something similar  :x

This has been discussed many times already.  Read the previous posts.  The only people to blame are the ones actually responsible for her disappearance.

Dublin, dear, I was not pointing my finger at you alone...I was talking in general....but you sure have made me smile with all your yakks and arghhs...very cute!

Questions and comments about the night of Natalee's disappearance are starting to come back up.  

This is the picture I have in my head from all I have heard and read...please correct me if I'm wrong on any facts.

- Joran was in C'nC with Natalee and her friends - the Kalpoe brothers were not

- As they are leaving the bar (at closing time, I believe), I imagine a large crowd outside the bar, talking, preparing to depart to their respective hotels/homes

- Nat heads off with Joran, get into the Kalpoe's car - taxis on the island look like regular cars

- Everyone including Natalee, I assume, thinks she's heading back to the HI in a taxi with Joran (seems quite harmless and no alarms would have been going off)

The fact that the Kalpoe brothers come to pick up Joran is bothering me. He/they know it's Natalee's last night on the island. Whatever their motives, they do not seem pure.

It has been mentioned that Joran was seen in previous days hanging out at the HI with Natalee - it is my understanding that no one has mentioned them seeing the Kalpoes, so no one, including Natalee would have known that they were Joran's friends.

apparently some on sent infromation to TOP95 saying that a black man ,25years old, checked in to a hotel inNigeria with a girl undr the name of Natalee Holloway...we dont know if this is true its just a message that was sent to him thourgh the internet.....(doy ou think its possible?) OHMY!

what i meant to say  was if these kids were so diligent in getting everyone savely back to the hotel...why were they so incompetent in realizing that the one girl who got in a car with no other students is missing and not in her room when they all finally got back....not to mention the so called chaperones....this story does not add up

Could you be a little more specific, perhaps?  As far as those pics go, pictures don't lie.

You are asking questions that have been answered many times on here.  Please go back through the archives,  get your self up to date on what has already transpired, been investigated, and resolved and then come back and join us.  

thank you.

That hardly seems likely.  Why would her real name be used if it were her????

You are asking questions that have been answered many times on here.  Please go back through the archives,  get your self up to date on what has already transpired, been investigated, and resolved and then come back and join us.  

thank you.

In a nut shell.

When she agreed to leave with the young man and not being from Aruba as he was,  it was his responsibility to get her back to her hotel safe and sound no matter what had happen. He didnt and for that he is guilty.

He will pay dearly as he should.

i'm back y'all...still catching up on the post between now and when i left earlier...did anyone figure out what other pictures were on natalee's camera that we aren't seeing yet?

there was something else that i was thinking about but i forgot...

mbhs- hope you're doing alright hun.

Hey folks!  Just dropped in to see what condition your condition was in!  Sadly I see several post of the following sort.  I guess too much time on your hands or something.



Hey, DONTGETEXCITED, don't get so excited!  But in my opinion you have no right to "DEMAND PUBLIC ANSWERS FROM THE FRIENDS".

If you're incapable of being more sensitive than that, you should back away.  Remember Natalee is the victim and hers friends are the most devastated by this.  LAY OFF! :evil:

This is just my opinion but I know it is a popular sentiment.

Quoting in part by AnnieMW1


WHy didn't they just call Joran on his cell phone from the parents' house?[/quote]

I've wondered that too Why didn't Joran's dad just call him instead of going with the parents and the police to the casino? Who told Joran that his dad, the police and Nat's parents were looking for him? Where was Joran if he wasn't at the casino? Was he really at home during that time? Just wondering...

Rumor has it that Steve Croes "spent the night" with Natalee. Fox reports that Croes was brought in as a witness, then held as a suspect because his story did not "add up".

It will be interesting to see if there is probable cause to hold him for another 8 days.

Rumors say that there will be more arrests forthcoming. :shock:

apparently anotehr arrest has been done regarding the Nh case...either this morning or midday today...with intial A. taht is alltehy know...we dotn know if its the 3 amigos freinds or no...its not officail and not confirmed but apaprently their awas another arrest...again NOT cofnirmed, i will post confirmation if there is any

Ditto That AMERIRUBA, our collective energy in this case will keep it going until resolution, elsewise the story will disappear.  Your time is appreciated.

just a curious thought...i'm not trying to slam her friends or anything at all...just wondering, if they saw her leave with jvds when they all returned to the hotel did anyone check her room to see if she was back yet? or was it just assumed that she was, and was sleeping?

I've wondered about this also. You would think the roomates (2?) would have noticed if NH was not in the room a whole lot earlier??.

Also, if the brothers claim they dropped JVS and NH at the Marriot, then the younger one is at JVS's house in the AM, but not the older brother, how did all that happen? My flowchart on the timelines is getting really messy.

For those of you posting or surfing at work, be careful. There may be keystroke monitoring software on your servers and you won't know it until the pink slip arrives.

Thanks to those of you who gave me anniversary "best wishes". I am getting in the car now.

Is this like the DiarioAruba "car chase?" And why would this information be coming into TOP95, and not into the Nigerian police, or the FBI, or Interpol? Think about it.

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  That is a "divertion" :!:

I also would like to comment , that all the budies of joran and the kalpoe brothers , arends , lorenz, and croez . Where interviewed or detained inderectly involved with the disapearance with natalee holloway. The have been questioned about supplying drugs to third parties .

Wow good sources, we must "read" the same people's mail. :)

Maybe Max Arendsz? :roll:

I've wondered about this also. You would think the roomates (2?) would have noticed if NH was not in the room a whole lot earlier??.

Also, if the brothers claim they dropped JVS and NH at the Marriot, then the younger one is at JVS's house in the AM, but not the older brother, how did all that happen? My flowchart on the timelines is getting really messy.

For those of you posting or surfing at work, be careful. There may be keystroke monitoring software on your servers and you won't know it until the pink slip arrives.

Thanks to those of you who gave me anniversary "best wishes". I am getting in the car now.

do you expect to see a pic of her stomping and crying?

^5 That!

Nigeria, don't think that it is possible.

That's interesting...
Hey...anyone have a link to a radio station that I can play using Windows Media Player, that has detailed updates on the case?

and all those arrests will be related to pics in natalee's camera...thats my guess anyway

Thanks for the info. Just how many people were involved in this? It gets more and more complicated.

AIA,

If it hasn't been said already, you are an amazing asset to this board and I sincerely hope you decide to stay with us. If not for you, Arubagirl and Native, we would be at the mercy of the MSM and we know how awful that can be.

Please let us know if you get any confirmation or news!!

Why would they even repeat this crap on the radio??  I mean, he'd have to be the stupidest kidnaper alive to check her in under her real name.  And since when do you have to give the name of your guest anyway??  TOP95 has had some good information, but they've had some ridiculous stuff lately.

A previous poster did mention if Joran was the one to drop her off HI, he should be responsible, but what if NH wanted to meet someone, or decided to leave with someone else? after the fact?   Could it be that NH did go on the Tattoo, and struck a good repore with SGC?  That day the Tattoo wasn't doing any business, could he not be available on his day off?  This is indeed getting more interesting by the day.

TV or other blog rumors?

When would he have "spent the night " with Natalee?? not very likely that would have happened considering he hasn't been brought until now, her friends would have id'ed him earlier... also nat is not that type of girl!

Not TV "YET"

Yes Top95 but it`s most papiamento and sometimes english


http://www.arubadag.com    there are the stations listed

The radio station is just reporting the leads it gets, I don't find anything wrong with this, it isn't like they are reporting it as fact that it happened, they are just passing along what they have heard

anyone have the link to the tickle pages of the wrong max?

You're really getting jaded, Prof.... :?

any news on the latest arrest that happened today?

bama...
HELLO
she didnt have to willingly go
or it could have happened
ANYTHING is possible.

obviously..
if her friends saw her leave
why would they know about this guy if he wasnt around the whole trip
just cuz her friends didnt know him
WHO CAREs???

Thanks.
I tried that last week, and gave up because I couldn't understand it.
I thought someone might have some links to stateside stations...

I too have wondered why the friends let her go with the 3 guys in the first place

but I also think that if these guys have been hanging around this group since the beginning of the trip and many of the kids had gotten to know them, maybe they too trusted these guys

and maybe Natalee said to one of her friends, don't wait up for me, I'm hoping to spend some time with Joran before I have to go home, don't wait for me, or the friends assumed that is what Natalee wanted,  for all we know she fell for him hook line and sinker

consider this, this was an annual trip apparently for this high school, maybe Joran met some of last year's class and some of the girls were raving about him,  maybe Joran was emailing some of them?  maybe Natalee heard about Joran

there was a rumour which apparently was dispelled by one of
Natalee's friend that she may have been emailing Joran before she arrived in Aruba

Joran was accepted into two Florida universities and I think he was planning to go to Florida for university, Alabama and Florida not too far huh

maybe these guys had given Natalee or other girls rides during the week and they were perfect gentlemen

How do you know this?

I'm not really buying into all the rumors of Natalee being sexually involved with someone (creus at this point).  It just seems to me that these are exactly the type of things people make up about attractive young women.  And given all the other rumors we've heard that have turned out to be false, it will take some serious info to convince me otherwise.

Not yet.

All is possible it is a nigerian !

I also posted the site of http://www.canal90fm.com/index2.htm everynite they have the dick miller show that is a native New Yorkerthat has lived otnehisland for quit some years now and ahs his own radio show eveyrnight its completely in English!  :D

how do u know she was'nt

bama prolly knows because she's a friend of natalee's

As an avid reader, I second that...or third it...or fourth it....whichever number I am :lol:

TELL ME the difference between leaving with a guy you dont know from a bar and going to another guy you don't know's house...
please?

See this is where there is a contridiction in stories. Good girl wouldn't have done that, doesn't fool around etc. Yet we know she "willing" left with him.

Ok thanx AIA,

I tried to understand the papiamento but it`s just to difficult for me I understand a couple of words but that`s not nearly enough! :lol:

Because all of her friends are saying she wasn't, unless I see evidence to the contrary I'll believe them over rumors on the radio, given the history of misinformation in this case.

Hello, Everyone.  I have not been able to stay on top of all the posts, so I apologize if someone has already done this.

I am attempting to compile a list of all people who have been questioned and/or arrested in the case of Natalee Holloway. It is an effort to sort the facts in my head. I would really appreciate anyone's help in confirming dates, information, etc.

Thanks,
Puggywug

CAST OF CHARACTERS
In the Mysterious & Heartbreaking Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

Joren van der Sloot, age 17
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Student at International School

Deepak Kalpoe, age 21
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Satish Kalpoe, age 18
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Antonius “Mickey” John, age 30
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Abraham Jones, age 28
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Steve Gregory Croes, age 26
Questioned 17 June 2005
Arrested 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
DJ on “party boat” called “Tattoo”
Knows one of Kalpoe brothers from internet cafe

Lorenzo van Rijn
Questioned 16 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Rumored to be  son of VW dealer who committed suicide
Rumored to be illegitimate son of PVDS

Max Arrends, age ?
Questioned 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Student at International School ?


Paulus van der Sloot, age
Questioned 18 June 2005
Questioned second time 19 June 2005
Father of JVSD
Court did not allow him to visit son, JVSD
Questioned as a “witness”
Judge-in-training in Aruba

Anita van der Sloot, age ?
Questioned 18 June 2005 ?
Questioned second time 19 June 2005 ?
Mother of JVSD
Court allowed her to visit son, JVSD, on 19 June 2005
Teacher at International School

Sources with the dutch ministerie of justice.

hey amiller- go wvu :D

mbhs you still here

I just wanted to say thanks again to Arubagirl and AmericaninAruba for all the info here.  I was strongly advised NOT to listen, watch, read or blog about NH at all over the weekend because my boyfriend hates seeing me get so wrapped up and upset over things.  He just wanted me to take a break.  Nat was never far from my mind and I prayed all weekend that there would be some new developments that would lead to her.  I'll be in and out today to read and try to keep up, but I did promise to actually get some real work done too...dag nab it!

Hugs to MBHS and Dash.  I hope you and all of your MBH friends are finding comfort in each other and the thoughts of so many who want Nat to be found.

One quick question, for anyone who may know....how did Nat get the nickname Hootie?  It's so cute.

Or Alexx the Axe Man?

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=9qpEQwv7teub-I2R


http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=OmikcL7pUqtPYqUS

Im convinced that American females from the south are all idiots!  :lol:

interesting thing on the Croes kid

#1 was he at Carlo n Charlies that night? easy to ascertain

#2 we are assuming Natalee had a thing for Joran, maybe not?

#3 we are assuming that only Joran and the brothers and Natalee went up to the light house, maybe others followed, included Croes or maybe others were already up at the Lighthouse or at the Fisherman's Huts partying

#4 hmmm, might there have been some jealousy or fighting over Natalee?

I read that the friends of Natalee said she never went on the Tatoo trip that she went snorkeling instead.......

We don't know that she willingly left with him.  But even if she did this sort of thing isn't entirely out of character for someone who was a good person.  She may have thought that they were going straight back to the hotel seeing as the taxis and cars look the same.

that's not nice inspector

She DID know him for a few days.  She thought he was taking her back to her hotel.  

Oh, and you can't make the word "know" possessive. :)

I'm trying, I'm trying.

a few days IS NOT knowing someone.

To go back to the hotel.  This is getting tedious.  :roll:

Do you have children? Not to go off on a tangent, but they generally show exactly how they feel when they feel it, particularly teens.  Her smiles in those pics are genuinely warm, but more importantly, the physical closeness with her family members (bodies right up next to one another) and her arm on her mom's back clearly indicate a loving bond between them.  Contrast that, with, say the pics of Joran and his family or even Nat and her friends - she's next to her friends on the beach pic, but there's the usual space you see between individuals.

I am Curious, for those of you who seem to have first hand knowledge of Aruba.  One pic of SGC shows him wearing a large silver chain and his cap on backwards.  Do either of these facts indicate anything in particular in Aruba?  He resembles a gang member here in the states,.. or a gang member wannabe.  It is hard to know how to interpret his dress.

An Aruban blogger on another night said he met Croes at Carlos N Charlies. Apparantly croes went there often.

The rumor I read was that Croes had a thing for Natalee.

There was a report on the TV about a scuffle at Carlos N Charlies involving Joran and some Mountain Brook teens.

ok so she got in the car thinking she was going back to the hotel
which when she realized she wasnt going back to the hotel..
why did she stay?
why didnt she get out at a light or stop sign?
why didnt she do anything?
when she knew she wasnt going back right away?

 i tried to make that exact point but i was called a troll......my main point is that in order to find natalee the search has to be for the "real" natalee not the goodie 2 shoes natalee.......and i really do hope they find her save

Of course it is.  You may not know there entire life story, but you can know enough about their character from a few days to feel safe around them or not.  Someone who comes from a sheleterd environment and who was by all accounts naive like Natalee probably would be trusting of someone thinking she knew him even if she didn't.

it doesn't mean Natalee did anything wrong if she wanted to spend some time with Joran on her last night if she'd fallen for him bad.......

I watched all those Beach party movies with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon and they were out partying and necking on the beach to all hours but Annette never put out for Frankie

not all guys are animals, there are some guys you could actually just go to the beach and snog with and not worried about getting raped, I don't know if Joran was that kind of guy but.......

I believe it was Natalie's mother while being interviewed by Gretta that said these boys had been around all week.  She said that they had been with these girls for several days "hanging out".  That may be why Natalie got in the car with him...maybe she trusted him after getting to know him.  Does anyone else remember this?

Naive.
2 days is nothing.
sorry.
i think down south people need to be dropped in a random BIG city for a week and learn a few things.

Great stuff, Pug!  The only possibly correction I have is that it's now being reported that Anite van der Sloot wasn't questioned at all, but was there to visit her son.

i'm from the south, but i know that you can't trust people. period.

then y did she go with 3 boys and her friends didnt think anything wrong till it was time to leave....doesnt add up

How do we know that she didn't attempt to get away?

Yes I recall, and some ppl do trust others after just a few days. I did at that age, years ago, lol.

the scuffle between Joran and some of the boys from Mountain Brook took place at the Holiday Inn Casino when Joran was with Natalee then, a few days earlier, as reported by the Birmingham News

Thanks, YPD.  I'll update my Word spreadsheet.

That is so funny that you responed to me.  I just PM'ed you; check your box.

I'm 29yrs old and my friends and I trusted many people when we went on our vacations and especially "Senior Spring Break."  We are looking at this case now thinking...wow...we were really lucky!!!

What is this whole "down south" thing? so "yankee" girls don't get taken advantage of or make bad decisions?

i'm off y'all....i'll be back later...hopefully there will be some good news when i return..

DONTGET EXCITED

First you ask why an abducted person doesnt jump out of a car at a stop sign and then you say people from ther south need to go to a big city.

What the hell you trying to say boy!

I'm as cynical northerner jaded as they come, but at 18 I got into many different situations with "new friends."  How else does one meet new friends without deciding to trust them at some point? And it's pure fantasy to believe that everyone waits a set amount of time before their in a situation where they're forced to trust a person they don't know that well.  We all have done it. Unfortunately this time, because of the characters of those she trusted it went awry.  If she'd have gotten into a car full of good people, she'd be sitting poolside somewhere, laughing with her friends right now.

no we have more street smarts.

The reason you were called a troll is because a lot of people on this board seem to have the mentality to attack the character of the victim, and your posts look similar to theirs even though I think you had good intentions.  The problem I have with what you are saying is this: how do you know that the goodie two shoes natalee wasn't the real natalee?  It seems to me that you judge her based on your presumptions of how teenagers behave.  All of her friends have said that she was a good girl and all of her family has said it.  Certainly, they could all be trying to defend her character. But without some reason to think she wasnt good why doubt the family/friends?

I might have done just what Natalee did when I was 18; now I know better. I think street smarts come from age and experience, not necessarily from geographical location.

Puggywug -

Not sure about the dates but, the rumors I read say that  Croes, Arendsz, and Van Rijn are primarily friends of Deepak not Joran. :wink:

Um, I am  cough cough, 31, and looking back, I know I am one lucky gal.

you must look at all sides and know all facts before coming to closure
in order to make an educated guess
its frustrating no one wants to look at things from all angles

but y didnt her friends sound the alarm when the trusting good girl didnt show up back at the hotel

Yes it does.  Remember this was their last night on the trip before going back, so I think its safe to assume that a lot of them didn't go to sleep.  Also there were 130 students. so its quite possible that her roomates thought she was with someone else, and they did report it that morning not when they got ready to leave.

girls dissapear and are raped as much up north as they are down here. This is not a north vs. south issue. it is completely irrelevant! Natalee is missing and it is not her fault. We have no idea what happened that night, but knowing her I know she is a wonderful, bright girl. We all have made bad decisons in our lives and it is a shame that she is being blamed for this. the only ones to blame are the ones that hurt her!!

about not "knowing" someone after a few days

I don't know about you but on trips, time takes a different dimension

remember how everyone fell in love and got engaged after one weekend on the Love Boat, OK I joking sort of

but I've had friends who swore they were in love after meeting someone on vacation [I'm harder to fall, LOL, oh but no, I forget, yep it almost happened to me once, I thought I'd met my soul mate but the crappy thing was I had to leave for the next part of my trip, if I had been able to stick around even a few more days, I might have found out, sigh, he was a Brit who could do the best Canadian accent, LOL]

and when i was younger I went backpacking in Australia by myself and I met people and I would feel like I'd known them all my life after a few days - of course the cool thing about backpacking is there are only so many hostels so you keep running into the same people all the time which is great

I went to Fiji first, out to Beachcomber's Island and I tell you there were about 30 of us that bonded in a very short time, we were all twentysomethings from all over the world and we were crying when we had to say good bye five days later.......that and when the American college students invaded the island.......

I'm 42 now (shhhhhh), but when I was was 17 I trusted someone to give me a ride home, but that was not his intention.  I jumped out of this guy's car in some small town in the mountains at a stop sign and ran.  I was lucky as hell to get away.  

one of the first things that was said about Natalee (and Im not bashing her) was that she was somewhat naive - in an innocent, too trusting way..

are we starting to see the trail go cold? nothing solid, just a lot of speculation and guessing?

On FOX now - Steve Croes being held for 8 more days

Oh, and you can't make the word "know" possessive. :)[/quote]

what about no shit???

Except that in this case, there are no angles to look at from Natalee's perspective because she's missing.  What we do know about her is that she was a good student, good daughter who apparently trusted the wrong people.  If she were a runaway, by now she'd have been sighted, I think.  If she were a bad person, by now someone would have come forward with that kind of information, even in rumor form.  It seems more people are interested in tarnishing the victim than addressing what we do know so far.

Thank you!  :)

WE have looked at things from all angles, and have all come to the conclusions that Natalee was not doing anything that a normal good girl wouldn't do.  Thats why this is so frustrating to so many of us.

Good recap, Puggy.

But don't forget the possible connection to

Renee Van Hannikan (Hanigem?)
found murdered and partially decapitated 6/18/05 ?
in the neighborhood called Sabana.
(unconfirmed) reports say murdered in his house and then later dumped in cemetery close by.
and Sergio Gomez is missing on the island. His pickup truck found.

And Max is Maxito Arendsz, 26?
car racer
works at Aruba Speed Shop
Friend of Joran's
(not the Max Arends who went to school with him)

Afternoon all. Just logged on.

Sorry..but I have to add to this one.  I am in my thirties, but I haven't forgottem (completely) what it was like to be a teenager!  Most teenagers are naive and trusting....they don't see that the world can be a cruel place.  We tend to realize (slowly) that there are nasty/mean people in the world; however, it does take time.  THis is not Natalee's or her friends' or her chaperones' faults!!!  I seriously wish some people who keep questioning her judgments woulld think back to when you were her age.....

Honestly, with the way things are now in society, there really is no case for knowledge or strength outwitting evil. That also includes street smarts. People are killed or murdered from all regions and walks of life, so I totally disagree with your comparison.

Death can come when you least expect it, whether you're driving a car, or walking to work from the parking lot. Those who plan evil usually have the capacity to do so.

Justice will be served, though. I promise you that!

Sorry. Wrong post....

Oh wow....

Does this mean they are getting anywhere?  :roll:

but we must dig deep INTO ALL SIDES in order to fully investigate

Well he will be in Jail 8 more days

why are u still blaming the victim here???
can't you all send positive thoughts for natalee??
is that beyond you culturally??

For me the interogation went like this

interogater to suspect where did you get the drugs from ?

from my friend lorenz ?

the call in lorenz where did you get the drugs from ?


From steve croez I bought it together with arends etc.

If looking at things at all angles includes maligning a young woman and her family, insulting southern women, etc,,,then you might as well get used to being frustrated.

Because not only is it cruel and hateful, it isn't helpful.

He must be in on it then. Maybe there is some truth to the rumors that Croes had a thing for Natalee and/or "spent the night" with her.

I really don't think we are judging her. We are stating our own life experiences. Although I understand where you are coming from.  :D

Where are you getting that I'm blaming Natalee? I'm sticking up for her. We ALL trust people and time has nothing to do with it. Sometimes people are hurt by those they trusted for years. It's the character of the other person, not the victim, that determines what happens.

i agree totally  
cant we all agree to just pray she is still alive??
that is why we are here is it not???

Thanks  :D   I'll correct the Maxiot Arendsz part.  I am not including the decapitated victim or Sergio Gomez b/c this list is only people questioned or detained by police.  Thanks, though.

If they hold Steve Croes for another 8 days then they must have also reasonable suspicion or some evidence that he sure is involved, because he gets instantly the 8 days!


Maybe is the "A" initial someone mentioned earlier; Maxito Arendsz
who the will arrest.

Pff even for a "Dutch"girl like me it`s getting confusing now!

Nicely said

we are here to speculate
and speak our minds and pray actually.

Ill say it again, we have.  Nothing you have brought up about Natalee's character hasn't been debated extensively already here.  And the conclusion is that its perfectly understandable that a good girl who is naive, would get into a car with people she had only known a few days, and not think anything about it.

     so if my math is right then 12??

if she was a goodie 2 shoes her friends would have noticed she didnt get back to the hotel after leaving with 3 dudes......thats just my opinion...the fact they didnt notice or think anything wrong suggest she stayed out very late before while hanging out with locals

ok so in a nutshell
natalee is miss perfect.
she can do no wrong?

foxnews want to intervieuw the people  in aruba but all the time when the people in aruba wants to defend themself  from what the F.B.I. or other americans ON T.V. blames them  for wrong doing, foxnews has to go to commercial. americans what's up with you??? it seems that you want to hear what you like to hear. people in aruba are doing their best. you think if one arubian was lost in alabama, alabama would be searching for him or her like the arubians are doing right now??. if the F.B.I. is so damn good like they say start Seaching the thousands of people missing in the states. I really want them to find N.H. alive and well. no.1,  2 be with her family and no2. to shut the mouth of everyone that speaks bad about aruba especially that radio lady "dee fine ", with her porno name. and if it results that n.h is a runaway, i do not want to be her!!

Or it is an obstruction of justice charge. Many will be guilty of that in the end.

if the roomates were at all concerned why didn't they sound the alarm when Natalee didn't show up at the hotel a few minutes after they did, [they must have known Natalee had a thing for Joranm trust me even quiet shy girls gush over guys with their girlfriends and it would be very exciting on a trip]

assuming they went back to the hotel directly themselves

you see in my crowd if we had any concerns and we've done this many times, if we thought our friend was too drunk to make a smart decision,we'd tell loverboy to take a hike, if the friend was drunk and got into the car some of us would have jumped in with her to make sure she got home, and lastly if she didn't show up at the hotel, then is when I would have started panicking

now if I thought my friend wanted to go off with this guy, and she knew what she was getting into, I wouldn't worry until the next morning.......

and it was already reported that Natalee was hollering out of the car window, something like yeah Aruba when she passed a taxi with other kids in it

apparently, some of us are here to stir up garbage unnecessarily and get renamed Casper? :evil:

I agree.  It is also very ignorant of this poster (DGE) to slander anyone from the South.  He/she is talking out of both sides of his/her mouth by saying "you must look at all sides", when he/she is obviously not.  Pfffft.  Grow the ef up.

hardly, but it would be out of character for her to do the sort of things you are alledging she did.  And what we do know she did is perfectly in keeping with what we know from her friends family.

since when are prayers speculative in nature?

ummm... because she had 3 guys who were bigger and stronger than she holding her and preventing her from leaving?

I hear you FOM,
I am praying that she is alive...that is what brought me to this site to begin with!  God bless Natalee, her family, and her friends!

I know I'm not supposed to feed the trolls but I'm breakin' the rules:

DONTGETEXCITED
I am from the South my hubby is from Baltimore, YES A BIG CITY, and I have done just fine on my multiple visits to the "big city"  :roll:

This is no ones fault but whoever took or hurt Natalee!!! Leave her friends and everyone else ALONE!

I am a site admin on a website and if I had the power here I would shut you down!  :evil:
Take your weird posts somewhere else, I'm sure there's some ppl at courttv's msg boards you could get along with  :x

YOU are mean!

NOW BACK TO OUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING:  :)

Sorry..but I have to add to this one.  I am in my thirties, but I haven't forgottem (completely) what it was like to be a teenager!  Most teenagers are naive and trusting....they don't see that the world can be a cruel place.  We tend to realize (slowly) that there are nasty/mean people in the world; however, it does take time.  THis is not Natalee's or her friends' or her chaperones' faults!!!  I seriously wish some people who keep questioning her judgments woulld think back to when you were her age.....[/quote]I really don't think we are judging her. We are stating our own life experiences. Although I understand where you are coming from.  :D[/quote]

I'm definitely not judging her....only saying I can relate if that were the case...

So I ask again is this a Victim/family rights forum, like websleuths?

There are NO victims yet, just a missing person. Most of us are merely speculating and theorizing anyway, not placing final blame. This is an internet discussion area, for crying out loud. Grow some thicker skin.

To answer your other points: No, I will not get out of here. MOST people here want to read ALL theories and consider ALL info that is posted, then decide for themselves whether it's good, bad, etc.

Remember, for quite some time the Runaway Bride was (mistakenly) thought of as a victim, as was Patty Hearst, Patti Bowman (blur-face of William Kennedy Smith trial), and Susan Smith. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with assumptions of who the victims are, and who the guilty parties are. There could indeed be PLENTY of fault to find in nh, her family, friends, and chaperones.

We'll keep discussing it. You'll keep getting "effin sick," and the dialogue will continue whether you're in it or not.

-MC

Err I became a cynic, I trusted many people and yes many people do take advantage of you and use you.  I heard many people say certain things that when you think about it are contradictory.  

If you are going to point a finger to someone, keep in mind 4 fingers are pointing back.  I been reading these boards and I have to say the pressure to be one sided is heavy.  I can understand now the dilema of arubagirl and others similar.  I just was listening to Top95, and can say to question the Arubian resolve to find Natalee by foreign critics is dispicable.

On other side I cannot imaging why we have not heard from both side.  I do have to say the MBS05 gave the closest account saying that revealing names might cause certain people to harrasment, well I hate to be the bad guy but isn't that happening in Aruba right now?  They are litterally draggin every Arubian who came with talking distance to Natalee.

Not at HI. It was at C&C.

The question here is: Any of the roomates saw (or had know) Nat's going in that car?

VERY VERY IMPORTANT We R 2 IGNORE the Caspers!!!

Maybe they are reading malicious gringo blog postings.  We have had that allegation posted here more than once but have always slapped it down because we know the tru facts.

If they hold Steve Croes for another 8 days then they must have also reasonable suspicion or some evidence that he sure is involved, because he gets instantly the 8 days!


Maybe is the "A" initial someone mentioned earlier; Maxito Arendsz
who the will arrest.

Pff even for a "Dutch"girl like me it`s getting confusing now!

Greta's doing Aruba, again, tonight

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_441_images/06.jpg

Holiday Inn Aruba

Steves's tickle website has been completely cleaned out.  Not jsut the pictures.


I hope someone archived it.

Also,

guys I teach high school.  Times have changes.  Kids meet and mix and mingle quickly.

As I said, Joran and Nat would have much in common. Leaving together is not a sign of a bad girl.

I know, I'm bad....  :(  I'm sorry.. :oops:

ok so no more posting unless its lovely and fairy like and pretty
paint pretty pictures.
ignore truths.

quote]if she was a goodie 2 shoes her friends would have noticed she didnt get back to the hotel after leaving with 3 dudes......thats just my opinion...the fact they didnt notice or think anything wrong suggest she stayed out very late before while hanging out with locals[/quote]

It's been reported that there was a lot of room switching going on that night and some kids stayed out by the pool the entire night.  I don't think it is that unusual that her roomates didn't know exactly where Natalee was until it was time to go to the airport since her bags were already packed.  Whether they thought she was with Joran or other friends at the hotel isn't the point.  She may have left CnC's willingly only thinking she was getting a ride to the hotel.  I can't tell you how much it pisses me off to read comments that continually blame Natalee or her friends for this.  They are kids, for God's sake.  Lay off.

Ooops...you are right about the "ignoring."  Catriana has told us to do that :oops:  I guess some of these negative, mean-spirited people were getting to me...

I will ignore the trolls...
I will ignore the trolls...
I will ignore the trolls...
I will ignore the trolls...
I will ignore the trolls...

I dont think she was goody two shoes. I think though trying to say people from the south dont have street smarts isnt going to gain you many friends. I spent 26 yrs of my life in Southern Ca, now I live in the south. People in the south are nicer but they arent stupid.
I think there is alot of people who want to insure that the conversations about natalee dont turn into anything that blames her directly. As a mother of a teenage daughter myself, I know they are not always angels. I know my daughter probably does things that I wouldnt think were ok. The fact is Natalee was a young 18 yr old on a graduation trip and cutting loose just like any other kid who was there. She may or may not have made some poor decision. We really dont know because she is MISSING. I hope maybe one day she can answer why she didnt jump out of a car, or why she went with them. Until she is found, and I hope alive all we have is speculation.
In the meantime since I dont KNOW her personally, and I havent read anything anywhere that shows she somehow deserved what happened. I will reserve judgement of her charactor. I just dont think its right sorry.

Well too my knowledge it isn't known whether she said she was going to the hotel or not.  But like I said before their were a lot of people there and Natalee was popular, her friends probably would have assumed she was with someone else, I doubt all the students were sitting in one spot, in fact they were probably all over the island. Plus a lot of them were probably preoccupied having fun.  When they noticed she hadn't come back to her room that morning they alerted the chaparones. Nothing unusual about that, and it certainly doesn't support your inference.

100 Punto pabo Compananzi!

This is getting SURREAL!

If I were an Aruban mom, and my 18 year-old daughter went missing in an Alabama suburb (picking a suburb for geography and population comparability), and my government officials and media has the bargaining power to help get to the bottom of things, you BET I'd expect them to use those resources and I would not leave that Alabama suburb until my daughter was found, one way or the other.

Unfortunately, this smacks me of anti-American resentment, which I have observed to be acceptable when it is NOT.

This is about a missing girl and her family going through the torture of not getting closer to a resolution, in case anyone has lost sight of that.

Okay,  maybe it's just a privacy thing, but I suspect there's something more to be gleaned from those tickle sites that we're missing.  Any ideas - connection to the "larger" fish, self-incrimination....I don't keep the sites but anyone who did, any ideas?

The problems is that EVERYTHING you are bringing up now has been discussed over...and over...and over again thousands of threads ago.  It's frustrating to rehash the same stuff all the time. IMO

Dan has been wrong before.  Does he cite a source?

Much agreed.



HI DIVA.

well i am new and didnt know this had all been discussed sheesh.

This must be one of the cases which information is not mentioned or contained. Yes there was a shoving match that very same night, to me it sounds like something serious. almost to blows, but we do not know the reason ...I think this is a crucial information and some will dismiss this as nonrelevant.

I'll see if I can find the link from Birmingham news but I remember quite succintly they reported that the scuffle was at the Holiday Inn Casino, which was just a indicator that these kids have been hanging around most of the week,  which doesn't preclude the fact there may have been another scuffle at C & C's

I recall from the couple trips I took in high school that the guys from your school would get either jealous or step in when the locals were hitting on "their women"

Maybe this is a dumb question.. Has anyone or any of her roomates actually seen her pack her bags that were in the hotel room?? When would she have done that??  If a roomate was there..perhaps they may have seen her do so. I havnt heard anything about that.. I just wondered  about that..

Troll Alert

ok..........all this debate and arguing over "bic city/smallcity" or "north/south" is just stupid and getting boring.........

i don't care if natalee is from alabama or nyc or utah or chicago.......i don't even care if she had it in her head that she was going to get drunk and have a fling(which i am not saying is the case)..........the bottom line is that she didn't deserve to go missing and whatever

PLEASE TAKE NOTE:  If you have JUST SIGNED UP TO SM...the people who have BEEN HERE since the beginning have already gotten past all the whys and whats....IF YOU ARE JUST JOINING...please go back and UPDATE yourself with what has already taken place on this forum....

It seems that people are rehashing alot of speculations that have already been confirmed or denied by reliable sources....Just go back and read...this is getting pathetic!

Hi All - dang, back at work instead of working from home. Can't keep up with the posts from here.

Anything new? Brief recap would be appreciated. Saw the 'Nigeria' rumor. Puuhhleeeese.  :roll:

No one knows the truth, or we wouldn't be here...
All we know is Natalee's Charachter as stated by friends and family vs. JVS charchter as displayed on his various websites

we DO NOT KNOW if she was drunk or just drinking and not falling down drunk, her friend saw her at closing time at C&C's & said she was not drunk

we KNOW she knew Joran atleast 2 days before she dissappeared, leaving with him

we KNOW there's 4 ppl in custody & the Aruban LE is not gonna tell us anything else per law

we KNOW that Nat's family, friends, and ppl on the trip and whoever else deemed appropriate have been questioned and we are not going to find out what was said at this point.

Thats a summary of what we know, K?


If I have forgotten anything that we KNOW plese help DGE out.... I digress

i totally agree
and i am not a troll
i can speak and say what i feel
i am just thinkin outside the box.
please people
if someone doesnt agree with everyone it doesnt make them a troll.

i thought it was a discussion group.......not a prayer meeting

There was a rumor that Natalee had a boyfriend from Mountain Brook that made the trip. It would be interesting to hear more about the scuffle in the bar. :roll:

Is Bendex still here? You seem to have some interesting insights and mentioned at one point a source being the the Dutch Ministry of Justice - has Paul VDS been calling home to his colleagues there for help?

It's ok. I just hope you understand that we have all discussed it and come to pretty much the same opinion.  Certainly no one is perfect, but most of us agree that Natalee wasn't doing anything "slutty" or immoral that night.

devil- i agree
this is a forum
a discussion is a conversation where people offer ideas.

Texas Terry?

Hello! :)

i'll say it again its those pics in the camera

some questions perhaps someone can fill me in .

How many cars of suspects where detained

1. the honda civic of the kapoe brothers
2. the 2 cars of de vds familiy


Which houses of the suspects have been searched ?
1. vds house

Any others ?

Where did Joran and Natalee actually met for for the first time in Aruba
Whas that in the Mariott casino



trying to fill in some gaps can anyone help me out here ?



Many thanks in advandce

that is interesting inspector detector

you know what I wonder did any of the kids from Mountainbrook go up to the Lighthouse too I wonder or did they all call it a night after C & C's - I mean their flight didn't leave until what, 11:30 pm 12:30 pm???

if the Lighthouse or the Fisherman's Huts were party spots???

which then begs the question, shouldn't the Aruban authorities have delayed the flight back and questioned every single kid thoroughly

can we be so sure no one from Mountainbrook wasn't involved

Steve Croes as seen on tv and on internet appears in none of these pictues.  Why do you persist in this disinformation?  Are you blind?

The think is you can see the join date of a poster.  When someone has been here since the start of the forum and they tell you something did or did not happen, go look it up.  

It gets frustrating to as we say in texas "Keep Beating a dead horse."

Either quit fighting or use the excellent search function set to posts and go read for yourself.

Am in Texas, yes. Seen ya name at CTV.  :lol:

Ghost time

The police did not take this as a case until Nat's family had provided enough names and details to warrant it. If it wasn't for their research the police would have waited 48 hours from time of  last scene.

Bendex,

The house of the kalpoes has also been searched in the beginning, that`s what we saw on tv they came out with that computer stuff.

bendex

originally 3 cars were impounded from johns and jones
then the honda
then the vds two cars


things were removed from johns and jones house
the kalpoe house
the vds house was the only one "searched" with a team as far as i know

ok someone had posted a MAX ARENDS of a speed shop had been arrested, this is a very well known freind (better known than steve...recent friend) it was NOT him...apparently it was JOrans class mate that was already interviewed by the police.......he is in the saem class as JOran.....but again im not 100% sure of that but i AM sure it wasnt maxito arends of the speed shop

There was a rumor that Natalee had a boyfriend from Mountain Brook that made the trip. It would be interesting to hear more about the scuffle in the bar. :roll:[/quote]

Natalee did not have a boyfriend.... and I  don't think she has ever had a serious bf

It has been stated that she did NOT have a boy friend.

This person who was found decapitated, Renee Van Hannikan (I have only seen that name on the blogs, not in news, so I have no idea if I'm spelling that correctly)--was that a man or woman? I'm just curious and trying to think of every angle if these crimes are connected.

Man

Man, the story is girlfriend had him killed.

Oh My goodness, guys..I went to lunch, came back, and read the posts from the past few hours...I think a few people need to take a break for a bit  :?
 Anyways, there's no sense in hashing and rehashing someone's character again and again...ok?
This shouldnt be a "south vs.north " issue...
This shouldnt be a place to criticize one's character or one's belief system..
There really shouldnt be all of this "back biting" in here.. :cry:  C'mon guys, we are here for one common goal..that is to post news on what we know about NH's disappearance and to give support to each other..this is a VERY FRUSTRATING case...I know that...and we all have said things in here I am sure are distasteful to people at times..
Please lets try to keep in mind that there are people in here that are Arubian, and people that go to school with Nat and love her...
Bottom line is, none of us know what happened to her, it is all speculation at this point, and even though we come here to hear"rumors and breaking news", let's try to be civil to one another and respectful of those who post and "lurk".
And remember....ghost the trolls...they are not worth your time and energy...That energy could be spent reporting something significant on Nat!!!

Thanks for listening to me vent  :evil:

 I agree with you..everyone is entitled to their own opinions..I am new..and have been reading this for weeks.I decided to join today finally....I have read all that I could ..not only on this site but others!! I have asked questions on here and got no answers either..!! I guess us newbie people dont matter cuz we wernt here from the beginning..thats IMO...!! I have read ALOT and feel like I know everyone...I wish I would of joined sooner..
   God Bless NH family and friends...

da wench wrote:


Sentence by sentence:
Willingly, or maybe not willingly, nh left C+C's. It bothers you to read opinions other than your own, we understand this from your previous red-letter posts. Natalee is a woman, not a girl/kid, as any card-carrying feminist will tell you. Lay off? If, by such, you mean stop speculating and speaking freely, then I can assure you the answer is "Never."

--MC

A man. And I have heard his wife had it done, but who knows at this point. Could be a rumor, remember that.

I totally agree with this--I get sick of people saying the same things over and over again. I just wanted to point out that some of us (like me) have been lurking and reading for awhile, but have only recently joined. Don't judge us only by our join date--some of us have been reading since the beginning!

thanks guys , i am organizing a fact sheet .

it was a 32 yr old MALE

HI!  :D   THANKS FOR THE UPDATE!

So, just to clarify, you are saying that Max Arends, friend of JvdS from International School WAS the one questioned by police?  As far as you know Maxito the race car driver WAS NOT questioned?

It is really not necessary to post that you have ghosted.

Yep, got tired of the bashing over there, I got tired of repeating myself. LOL, if you wanna reveal your nic in PM that would be cool. I thought you were TexasYankee  :wink:

OK I stand corrected, it is not clear from the Birmingham News report where the scuffle took place, unless there is another version floating around

"The scuffle started after Van Der Sloot, had been talking to 18-year-old Holloway at a bar where she and classmates hung out during the five-day trip, Reynolds said"

"Reynolds said he saw the suspects hanging out at the Holiday Inn where the Mountain Brook High School graduates stayed in Oranjestad."

Thanks--by the way I hope you'll keep posting here. I really enjoy your insights, as many others do.

Do you know the correct spelling of the name?

EXACTLY....I just got of the phone with MA the CAR DRIVER he owns a speed shop here....it was NOT him

THANK YOU!

Renee Van Heningen

It's been reported that there was a lot of room switching going on that night and some kids stayed out by the pool the entire night.  I don't think it is that unusual that her roomates didn't know exactly where Natalee was until it was time to go to the airport since her bags were already packed.  Whether they thought she was with Joran or other friends at the hotel isn't the point.  She may have left CnC's willingly only thinking she was getting a ride to the hotel.  I can't tell you how much it pisses me off to read comments that continually blame Natalee or her friends for this.  They are kids, for God's sake.  Lay off.[/quote]



no one here is blaming nat for some savage's crime....but that no one checked for the 1 good girl seen leaving in a car does not make sense i dont care how much room switching was going........SHE LEFT WITH 3 DUDES....duh

Does anyone agree with me that decapitation is a rather extreme way to celebrate Fathers Day

posted by Riehl on his site last night:

"Update: An initial report suggests the decapitation may have had something to do with drug trafficking as some say the head was actually sent back to Columbia. That is unconfirmed."

I think what happened to you is that you joined this morning around the same time as DONTGETEXCITED and everyone was :D

AMEN SISTAH!

Well we know she was drunk, and sick in a bar where drugs are being sold. Then left with 3 guys she doesnt know to an isolated beach. Maybe she was willing to make a gangbang video? Who knows? Who cares? All this talk about her character is totally irrelevent! Shut up about "Natalee is a goodie goodie 2 shoes southern belle Scarlet O'hara and would never do anything bad" allready! You are insulting everyones intelligence!

We also know Joran was a poker player and might have been pretty good at it.  Did he clean out the MB boys before the scuffle they had at the HI  casino?  Was he at the casino Monday night participating in a poker competition?  Where was he when the Alabama posse, his dad, and the cops arrived at the casino with guns drawn and did not find him?  Was it the grey Kalpoe car he and Satish were leaning on when the posse got back to his house?

thanks for that info, a in a

HAHAHHAHA im sorry for laughing but I think someones been seeing to many godfather reruns! hahahaha
the head was PArtially decapitated...not completely...and apparently the desciesed was "invovled" w/ something w/ drugs.....and apparently that was the reason fo rthe brutal murder.....again nothign confirmed just word on the street! we are ALL shocked about this this is the 1st time somethign of this caliber has happened...so bear w/ us while we try to take a breath with all this wild news thats been going on we are literally in shock w/ the event sfrom these last 3 weeks

Well said inspector!

Nicely said.. thats my point exactly!!!  But the news also only repeats the same thing over and over as well!!  ha ha

OMG!!!

Personally, I don't care if Natalee was drunk off her a**.  She's missing and her family is distraught and frustrated.  For all those that must know all about her, just wait a day or two.  The Enquirer is already on the case, I'm sure the Star and other tabloids will follow.  Soon the whole world will know plenty about Natalee, the Twittys, Holloways and Mountain Brooke, Al. Since the tabloids pay for stories, they are bound to be sensational.

I doubt your questions were ignored.  Sometimes the posts move so fast it is hard to keep up and you were probably just overlooked.  I wasn't here from day one either, but I feel like I am welcome here.  I think the main point is that nobody here wants to read any posts that are negative about Natalee or anyone else on the trip.  It is human nature to speculate and that is fine, but let's just please try to keep any rude comments about Natalee out of this forum.  She is the victim, whether was was drunk or not, whether she got in the car willingly or not...and whether she was wanting to spend time with Joran in the wee hours of the morn on her last night in Aruba or not....she is the VICTIM.  If you are part of the minority that thinks otherwise, perhaps your comments would be more appreciated on another blog.   And when I say "you" or "your" I mean that generally.  I'm not point to anyone specific (except maybe one who's name I won't mention but it starts with a "D" and ends with "evilsadvocate")

it has been confirmed that she was not drunk nor was she sick....she had been drinking, yes, but was not drunk from eye witness accounts...also, she was not sick...the person who was sick in the bathroom at the bar was a different girl on the trip...this has also been confirmed

 

Sorry Cali, But I think Carlo is still his attorney.  Just suspended by the court.  Court can't fire him.  Only the van der Sloots can.  Joran has an additional two others.

ooo oooo ooooo does national have a website??
i know they got some good info

Any more news on the new arrest made today yet?

1.  We don't know she was drunk, we know she was drinking.
2.  She was not sick in the bar - that story has been proven false, she was not sick in the bathroom at CnC.
3.  She expected to be taken back to her hotel, according to her friends.
4.  There is nothing in her history to suggest she would willing participate in a porn video.[/quote]

Well, it is important in that her friends and relatives read this.  By every account, she always has been a "good girl."  One of her friends even said she wanted to wait until she got married to have sex.  Deal with it!

Well said woman!

da wench...you are too funny.  I liked that (listing who was wanted...err...not... on this site.) :D

Check your pm.  I don't have answers to those questions, but I have a list of people I sent to your pm.

Someone claiming to be the sister of Max Arrends posted on another board that it was not her brother who was being questioned, but someone else named Maxito.  Of course, there's no way to know if she was legit.

So are there 2 Max Arends or not? has this been resolved?

Once again, Tom is doing a great job on the radio interview!  :D

not a dumb question at all ....a couple said they saw her snorkling all day and dancing all night and wondered where she got all her energy....leaving me to wonder when did she pack all her stuff if she was out all day and night....
or did she pack her own bags hmmmmm?

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Since when was Scarlett O'hara a goodie goodie? Have you SEEN <I>Gone With the Wind</I>?

Is the person who was arrested today thought to be Max Arendz, the race car driver? I apologize if this has been covered, but I don't have time now to wade through dozens of pages to find the answer.

Thank you!

YES, they would be. Maybe you don't pay attention when people go missing, but if there is evidence of foulplay (as opposed to non-violent custody issues or persistent teenage runaways), they get enormous attention from people willing to seach and they get local and frequently national media coverage. witness the disappearance of 2 young boys in the u.s. Massive search is going on with lots of people looking.

Yes there are 2.  One is a classmate of joran, not the same guy questioned.  The other is in his 20's and was questioned and released

Wow--normally don't post unless I have info to post about.  What is with all the crazy posts that others are posting about.

One topic about supposedly "how she partied." If she had drinks--WHO CARES... Come on people--was everyone an innocent angel when they were 18 and abided ALL RULES?

I know for a fact at 18--I was not perfect-went to parties and drank.  Guys and Girls hook up...

Good Gosh--was everyone not a drinker until 21, a smoker until 18 and didn't have sex until marriage..........

Nope, according to a i a  it's absolutely not him. Apparently the other one who went to school with Joran and had a tickle site.

"down south" people?!?!  What are you trying to say?  I'm from a suburb of Atlanta.  I planned / organized my high school trip.  There were 16 of us, and we went to Jamaica, with no chaperones, and it's not exactly a "safe" destination.  I was the one pretty much "in charge" and I was 17 at the time.  We all made it back safe and sound, although there is always the possibility of something going wrong.  Some of my classmates were hanging out with locals while we were there, fortunately for us, we happened to have met good people from the island.

I would say that I am surprised that she felt comfortable to leave on her own with them, but that's what makes me think that perhaps something was slipped in her drink.  I was with a friend who had something slipped in her drink, and I know first-hand how she acted.  On the other hand, if she had hung out with him for a few days prior, it's not all that unusual.  I've gotten in a car with someone that I've only known for a couple of days and not thought twice about it.

Thank you.. I am surely not here to bash anyone.. I agree she is the victim.. And there have been posts I have read where others attacked chaperones ..friends.. etc... I worked with PD for years.. and my heart goes out to everyone that I tryed to help...I did it because I care for people...and perhaps this is why I am interested in this case also.. for justice to be served. The truth will come out and hopefully soon.. it always does!

I think the consensus is that the Max Arends who was arrested was the other one, who went to high school with Joren.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ai5ro9-N9IYkQiX9

Let me make this clear, I don't think she was a goodie 2 shoes who would never do anything bad. I wouldn't doubt it that she did do some bad things in aruba.  But in this particular case we have no evidence she did anything wrong.
Lots of girls get in cars with guys at night and think nothing of it, several posters have already attested to this.

The only people who have said she drunk were the suspects who have already lied and changed their stories. If you want to believe them then go ahead, but it could just as easily be that she was drugged.  And how wsa she supposed to know drugs were sold there? Did she research the entire island?  

She might have done all the things you said, but until I see evidence I will believe her friends family instead of the speculations and rumors you're so fond of posting here and the stories of three liars who may have killed her.  

The reason her character matters is that many people seem to be placing the blame on her, something that happens in cases like this.

I hear ya Jennifer...What is up with the berrating of one's character today?? Boredom? Well said...

I would like to say ....if you have been lurking and have just signed up...none of what I said before pertains to you....If you have been here for at least a few days, you know enough information to where you are not totally out of the loop....thanks   AND to those who have just joined and who have read back and updated yourself on what has been said and not said...you are appreciated as well

I was talking about the ppl who are being rude and coming in here for the first or second time and hashing on things they know nothing about .... :evil: