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I've never been first in a cage.

I hope she is not alone over there.  Do we know if anyone is with her?

we shall light them in spirit  ::MonkeyCool::

man i feel kind of sick to my stomach after watching that.

does anyone think they have a video made by the assholes as they raped/murdered her?

Blah,
I have been reading everywhere I can today so I don't recall exactly where but DeVries met her at the airport this morning.  And there was something about someone with her was still at the airport when they left, I assumed getting the bags, etc.

Someone better organized than I am may yet have a link to that.

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Did anyone catch this on the front page (last paragraph) DeVries article:

TV programme Nova says it has spoken to three different sources who claim that Van der Sloot has confessed to an un-named Aruban man that Natalee died in an accident and that he hid her body. The conversation was recorded, news agency ANP claims. Two brothers who have also twice been arrested in connection with Natalee’s disappearance were not involved, Nova says.

I'm not sure what to think of that sentence....not involved?

Someone help me out, please.

While that idea has always been my greatest fear, I think what they have is video of JVDS and this Dutch guy having a conversation containing an explanation of "something bad". 

Before I clicked on that video to watch it, it brought me to a website and said Beth was looking at pictures of the proof that Natalee was dead, something like that.  I was thinking the same sort of thing because it specifically said pictures and not video footage like you would expect it to say.

Poor Beth looks as if she's really stunned in that video. She seems to be saying that she finally knows at last exactly what happened to Natalee. Very, very sad.   :sad: :sad: :sad:

In what are they "not involved"?

i think there always has been a possibility that they are not involved, hasnt there?

So why would Joran take pictures of an "accident"?

He Wouldn't.

He photographs his own dirty handiwork.

Truthseeker ... it is not worth it ... you will never live it down.  Robots follows after and ...


Lively Case Discussion #647 6/25 - 6/26/2007
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:08 PM »

JANET IS A CHEATER  

I see strength and I see anger along with the despair. Her jaw is clenched, her gaze steady and as for her hands if Joran were there in front of her I think she'd strangle him.

http://www.crimesite.nl/

LOL   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I hope he knows it was purely accidental.

Can you say "souvenir"?  Sure, I knew that you could.

It looks like NOVA is saying that K2 were not involved in the disposal of Natalee's body.  At this point I'd say everything we are reading is heresay. 

I've never thought they were not involved . . . just always figured they were in the thick of things . . . or fringes.

The idea has crossed my mind.  But I cannot believe that anyone
would be insensitive enough to show that to Beth on camera.

well, after seeing this video of Beth, I tend to think they must have something pretty darn convincing

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/01/holloway_case_solved_says_tv_j.php

in English

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I apologize right now if somebody has already posted this, but I was just reading on msnbc that they are now saying there are two people in that video confession with Joran, one being an unknown Aruban, and the other being a former Dutch suspect.  Anybody have any idea who the Dutch person would have been?

well they could have told her what was on it and left it up to her to push play or not

Klaas ~ thanks ~ sorry to sound so dense ~ flu for 5 days . . . can that be my excuse?

Posted on the front page of SM:

Bas Koers wrote:

From the Netherlands, I just saw crime reporter de Vries in a Dutch TV program where he explained that he and a small crew of 6 to 8 guys (members from his own TV Show) have used hidden cameras here in the netherlands aswell as on the Dutch Antilles.
He wouldn’t say what has been filmed or who ( he is saving this information for his own TV Show) but he seems pretty sure about himself.
Vanity is no stranger to this reporter but he does his work thorough and with determination.

Maybe it’s some consolance to the parents of Natalee Holloway that the Dutch government has been heavily critized by an official European Union study group for the ‘atrocious circumstances’ in the prison on the Dutch Antilles where VDS will undoubtedly make new ‘friends’ whether he will like it or not.

Creepy...but, possible.

Yes....that is in the dutch site in English I just posted.
Actually...I never believed K2 knew where Natalee's final resting spot was.

former Dutch suspect = Joran

unknown Aruban = unknown

anything said by Hans Mos needs to be taken with a grain of salt

dunno about DeVries

but that video of Beth is pretty telling

Hi Tcumom,  That's what it says to me, that the Kalpoe bros. were not involved in her disappearance.

I just thought a conversation like this was already out there, and I'm trying to remember what it said.  That Natalee had been hit over the head with a baseball bat I think and the kid with the boat - was that Gattenbos was with Joran and they took her out and dropped her out of his small boat.

Someone here must remember this.  It might not be the same story, but it could be Joran confirms it inadvertently!  xoxoxo


Oh, On FOX right now the guy said the evidence is so good they have reopened the case that was closed in December!  WOW

OMG! All these monkeys online and I've been totally out of the loop!

Where do I need to start to know what's happening? Others might appreciate knowing as well, but even if I'm the only one, .........pretty please?

Hi Nut, good to see so many return to watch this news as it unfolds.

Front Page is the best place.  All the latest media blurbs are posted there, I believe. 

SMOOCHES to you Peaches!  ::MonkeyWink::

 
Joran did it!
Pitbull Peter R de Vries, the wine, which Joran van der Sloot threw in his eyes, there probably good uitgekregen because Peter R de Vries apparently the cause of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway resolved to have. This he has done through the use of a hidden camera action where months worked, but all the ins and outs are only next Sunday to look into an extra-long episode of Peter R de Vries. In the open directory of the English site of Peter R de Vries took us a page containing a conversation between Peter and issued prosecutor Hans Mos. The Open Directory is now closed, but we have kept the page for you. JORAN IS THE DADER!

VKMag Kijkerstip: Online darts look!

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I'd gladly do it for her and take whatever punishment was handed down.....watching this made me physically ill.....I wanted to reach through the computer screen and hold onto Beth...OHMYGAWD....OHMYGAWD

Hello stranger! I have been here all along.

Hi Peaches,  I never can find how to get to the Front Page.  Could you direct me.  Thanks a bunch.

I think they are involved, just maybe not directly with the death, but they have some involvement

www.scaredmonkeys.com

P.I., I agree.  Those 2 did not do this for nothing.  Maybe they witnessed it but they still took her away from C&C's and then obstructed justice for Natalee.

Thanks Peaches!

I am getting dizzy going from site to site to site waiting to hear of arrests!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

i'm pretty sure they are, somehow to

Man on a mission ::MonkeyWink::

YOU'RE OWN FATHER..UNBELIEVABLE!!
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YOU'RE OWN SON
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LOL.  Me too.  I have seven different sites up an running right now.  No arrests reported yet.

DeVries was in Aruba last weekend.  Mos has had this evidence since at least
then.  Why no arrest already? It worries me.

maybe he is doing whatever it takes to get a non-corrupt judge from the Netherlands before he files for an arrest warrent or something??

Hey *******,

I was just thinking about this and saw your post.  I was thinking about the icy stare that DeVries has for Paulus.  I don't think it's just because Paulus raised the Spawn of Satan.  He looks like he is completely disgusted with Paulus, and that leads me to believe that he knows something about Paulus' involvement.

Wonder what else he knows about?

Helen

have we heard anything from the search team, Tim Miller, Jossey, anyone?

 ::MonkeyWink::  You don't miss a day, Nut.

A feat which requires strength and persistence.

From the front page of SM - JOSSY:

UPDATE VI: Comments From Jossy Mansur Managing Editor of Diaro Regarding Peter R. De Vries Statements

Look for Jossy Mansur tomorrow night on the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio.com.

It seems to be a secret recording made either in Holland or Aruba, in which Joran confesses that Natalee was murdered and describes what was done with the body. That much I have gathered from Dutch publications. They have quoted Mos as saying: “Now we have obtained new information that throw a new light on the case and how Natalee was murdered and how her body disappeared”. Further on, the publications point out that Joran in that recording seemed to have admitted to being the author of the deed.   
 
The prosecution will probably reopen the case soon. (Jossy Mansur)
 

You can just click on 'Blog' at the top of this page, too.

Thanks Nut

... and then the "breaking news" to day and ... still no arrest.  I guess we just do not get it ... we do not have a command of Dutch law.

Wait!!  I do believe that I am beginning to comprehend.  I will very slowing reveal my thoughts on this issue.  If you are a black security guard ... you are detain prior to the media receiving a tip that you are are suspect but ... if you are Joran van der Sloot ... the press release from the prosecutor's office comes first.

There ... I got it!

Janet

DeVries's website said he present Mos with the info on 1/23, so it was a week yesterday.  I'd expect the same routine they used with the Skeeter tape, to validate, etc. 

Ohhhhhhhhh
Now the tears won't let me read. I ache for Beth. But now maybe she knows and she has to know, I mean you have to know why your child didn't come home, why she will never come home.
God, please let it be enough to remove him from unsuspecting society. Please allow Beth to go to bed at night with the knowledge that he is paying a price for her daughter.

I'm still holding out that my first thoughts may be in the right direction, although I might be surprised.  I just hope this time it is the "real" time.

-Joran plans on finding an American girl to have sex with.  He targets Natalee because of his prior contact with her and she appears vulnerable.  He decides to drug and date rape her, because it has worked in the past, and has been pretty easy.  This way ihe s aguaranteed of the result he wants. 

-Deepak and Satish, know of his plans because they are nothing new, but they go along either just to provide transportaion, lack of anything better to do, or with the hopes that they might get lucky too. They have a poor image of women along with Joran and feel all American girls are sluts etc.  They also might be voyeurs and get a kick out of watching/listening etc.

-Somewhere during the evening Deepak and Satch exit and Joran is somewhere with Natalee.  Here he rapes her, maybe she tries to get away and gets hurt, maybe he is home and Paulus is aware of the rape but doesn't care etc.  Maybe Paulus is a voyeur too.  Natalee dies due to an "accident"  In Joran's mind an accident could be her fleeing from him, or he was "restraining" her and she "accidently" died in the process, or he left her and she got seriously ill from the drugs.  There could be many scenarios here at this point.  Joran reminds me of a little kid who does something and then  is allowed to say it was an accident.  I pray for the Holloways case that there is no video.

-One of the brothers may have been called at this point to provide transportation to an injured Nat or just to Joran.

-Natalee dies from the "accident" or the lack of medical care.  Paulus may or may not know at this point.

-Joran seeks out help from Paulus and or others ( Koen or Saunder, other contact?) to help with the disposal.  He may have been just hiding the body at this point too until he decides what to do.

-Lies begin, favors are called in, blackmail possibly from prior deeds, and a full blown coverup has started.

I know Paulus knows what happened to a certain degree.  I hope he is held just as accountable.  If it was just an accident than why wouldn't Paulus just call whatever their 911 is, or the authorities if her body was already hidden and deal with the true accident?  If Paulus has been able to cover-up all this up until this point, than it seems he could use his connections to turn over Nat's body and report the "accident" and put an end to it all before it even began(the coverup)  They'd slap Joran on the hands for "reacting" to the "accident" by panicking and hiding the body, make "apologies" to Nat's family, and send Beth back to the US to grieve, although she'd know that that wasn't what really happened.

Everyone thinks Paulus is involved in some way,even Mos admitted that much to us. It will be interesting to see what lengths they go to protecting Paulus. Joran will be the last person to give up his dad,so we need some other arrests besides Joran. I don't think De Vries has anything on PVDS unless Joran blabbed out everything in that taped recording,but ya never know..Joran is a complete idiot.

You would think by now those protecting Joran would just throw there hands up. He writes Books,Gets caught lying in everything he says,Does Major interviews,Throws Wine in the eyes of a famous crime reporter and has confessed at least once. Enough is enough already.

Great news. I am shocked but not shocked but stoked all at the same time. Lol.
I hope Aruba publicly solves this case now. But I am leary of them doing anything but closing it again. I certainly hope not.

I believe the most important part about this new evidence is the fact that this case has not gone away.  Natalee will continue to haunt Joran until the truth is told and justice is finally served for her.  No matter what happens with this evidence, whether Joran gets rearrested, it goes to trial, whatever the outcome, it is pretty clear to me that this case isn't going away.  Just when Joran thought it was all over, reality comes crashing back in for him.

It said on the front page that Joran "hid" the body. I realize that perhaps it was disposed of elsewhere later, but have we heard from the Persistence and know their reaction to the news?

Jossy says MURDER!  I know English is a second language to him but I have to think that is a word he would not use lightly.

Klaas, can you ask Jossy to email you any updates and then post them?  He would be in the know best of what's going on in Aruba that we can contact.

But he says MURDER.

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I see Oceanexploration is logged in....I believe he said earlier that they are working hard and 'no comment' on the current events.

It would only add to my sense of satisfaction if Joran's own big mouth is what finally does him in. He'll have lots of time to think about that.

Me too PI...they probably don't know what happened to her body...but they were there when she died..( Beth said THEY)...IMO if they had no involvement  they would have spoken out, got that reward and been on their merry way...these types have no alliances other than to themselves......they are guilty as hell...bastards......I think I have to go back to cussing and spitting to keep my temper in check and my blood pressure down!!!  :smt097 :smt097 :smt097

That's what I think.  I think they have caught him talking about the case while viewing the video with his comrade.

ANNA, yes "among" for more than 2, between for 2, but I have yet to see anyone in the recent past 40 years who knew that rule.  It is ridiculous to see journalists everyday who say between John, Paul, Jim and Rita.  Worse yet, he told she and I...Grrrr.

I really just want Natalee found and brought home. If he/they confessed, then tell the proper people where to find her and give her back to her family!! I do not expect any Justice.

I have always said they are peripherally involved, but not in the murder and cover-up; that's Paulus and Joran.  JMHO but the K2 are afraid of the powers in Aruba and will not give up the slanderssloots.

Hey girl!!  How you been?

Wouldn't that be sweet?  It would be the icing on the proverbial cake to have his big mouth be the very thing that does him in!!  Ego's like his can't be held back forever.  It was just a metter of time...

I think we should send Dog down there to interrogate him.

I'm with you on this.  I just hope Natalee can be found.  Even if found guilty, he'll be out in no time by Dutch standards.

Hi 2NJSons_Mom,  Thanks.  One day I went everywhere trying to find it  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL, and always enjoyed going there first when I was a lucky lurker.

Such cool avatars here.  I have been mesmerized by your's, ironing hearts.   ::MonkeyCool::

Hey OE...Is this what You were talking about when You said a few days ago that things should get interesting soon?..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

I agree.

I am very late and very far behind but I am going to give my gut feeling.  If this is on tape then he knew he was being taped and this is a setup.  I noticed they are throwing the word accident out there.  This was no accident.  An accident can be explained.  An entire island doesn't coverup a crime because of an accident.  And for Joran to say the Kalpoes weren't involved is just BS.  Since when did he ever let the Kalpoes off the hook.  Something doesn't smell right here.  I want to hear more information from John Q. Kelly.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

We're not commenting at this time.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Scandi,

Guess you've never seen my original avatar.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Nut, I feel the same way...give Beth her child!!! Give her back to her family!  aruba will never provide justice for Natalee...they have proven it time and time again...some have tried....but are stopped in their tracks...

Is Peter Devries entitled to receive the reward which has been offered in the Natalee Holloway case?

Janet

Tyler............ glad to see you!!! ::MonkeyDance::

So have I but don't actually log in much.

Probably not.  I know TES and TES volunteers can't.  I suspect someone like a journalist at DeVries level would not be able to.

Hey, Sunny, thank you for the heads-up.  I finally, finally, finally got in.  Not an easy task recently.  :)

thank you.

No matter how this thing ends, you guys have already gone down in history as true American hero's.

Keep up the awesome work and stay safe down there.

If your ever in Michigan, i'll buy y'all a beer or 20  :salut:

I hope in some way, the news can help you, oceanexploration! You have brought such hope to us and been such a shining star in all the darkness around this case! I'm sure you've watched the video of Beth posted on this thread. I always think of her and all of Natalee's family when I think of your efforts and it makes me all the grateful for what you are doing.

I salute you and all you are doing.

Regarding your response... I say WOW.  I hope to God this means things are really happening.  God Bless all of you.

Klaasend posted it again on page 1 of this thread, Blonde

page 4 of this thread........look for my post. It's in a post stack.

click on this picture...


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Ditto, cbb.  Nice post.  Thanks.

I'll have the cigars handy, just in case.....................

Where's Robots? Bless him, he never gave his up!

We're not commenting at this time.  ::MonkeyCool::

CNN Headline News...Nancy Grace will do a little bit on Natalee. On now 8pm Eastern time. We can get transcript after the show.

he's looking for Monica Lew....



oh man i didnt say that out loud, did i?

See if this works.  The one I put in YouTube was taken down by Youtube:

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That's OK! We'll be patient! We Love You Guys....Be Careful and God Bless!

Hi, monkeys! So what's the consensus on the new evidence? I wonder if/when we'll find out what it is.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes, it's unbelievably sad to watch Beth.  It seems like she's firmly acknowledging that she believes the truth has been finally discovered.  Her repeated use of the word "they" stongly indicates multiple people...not just Joran, Paulus, etc., but what "they" have done to a country; i.e., ALL THOSE involved in the cover-up.  I can't imagine the gut-wrenching agony Beth and Dave are having to go through once again. 

IF this is the break we've all been wanting (and it just may be - just look at Beth and hear the acceptance in her voice), then we should see a lot of things happening in the next days and weeks.  I just hope Beth and Dave have already heard the worst of it today.

Paulus, Paulus, Paulus!!! GO GET PAULUS!!!!!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, Bill's been busy ticking everyone off lately, so SOMEBODY'S got to "fill in".  ::MonkeyCool::

Wonder where Joran is, and how long it will take for Tacky to come rolling along?

well, this is what's called an awkward silence.  you're bad.  teehee.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Hi CBB! I left a request for you this morning -- please prep me a "cigar" AV!!!

Right, Puzzler, I noticed that too. I can't make up my mind whether she's referring to K2 or Paulus and the corrupt ALE, or all of them!

BTW: Love your avi! You have 2 now! Your other one is at the link in my signature line!  ::MonkeyWink::

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 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Do we have to wait until Sunday night after DeVries show for a comment?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, Beth is saying Look what THEY did, not just Joran.  Also she is not saying look what happened as in an accident.

Blah, you leave my Robots alone!!!

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Thank you, OE.  Any idea at what time we might expect a comment?

I'm sure after 2.8 years, you understand our impatience.

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Thank You guys , looking at Beth  brakes my heart

OE..when you can comment.  we will be here ::MonkeyWink::...in the meantime have the seas calmed any for y'all?  Be safe and God Speed

So how are Joran's lawyers doing now? If they speak for him much longer their going to blow an aneurysm.

Klaas, The "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" photo montage was very moving.

Another update from:
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
Thursday, 31 January 2008
Holloway update 2; Peter R. de Vries will reveal all on Sunday. Joran van der Sloot allegedly confesses to accidental death. Beth Twitty footage.

Peter R. De Vries just appeared on the same talk show (Pauw and Witteman) with the infamous wine incident, but was remarkably tight lipped, sticking to the story that he released earlier and refusing to 'accuse or acquit anyone' at this point. He has stated that there is no reason to believe that Natalee is alive.

The Aruban Authourities have not found a body, but the rumour is that Joran van der Sloot has confessed, to something at least. Other rumours state that it might have been an accident.

De Vries stated that it was the use of spectacular hidden camera footage that provided the break through and that he might have known more during his last appearance on the talk show with van der Sloot and his parents. His questions provoked van der Sloot so much on this occasion that the then former suspect threw a glass of red wine in his face.

Pauw en Witteman also showed a clip of de Vries revealing the information to Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty. She appeared upset but composed, exclaiming; 'Look what they've done. Look what those animals have done. What they've done to her...'
Even after the clip, de Vries refused to reveal more.

Both the hosts, Jeroen Pauw and Paul Witteman criticised de Vries for holding back and used various leading questions to get an answer out of him. De Vries was steadfast in saying he doesn't intend to reveal more until his programme scheduled for Sunday.

Translation;
This is the place in Aruba where Natalee Holloway disappeared without a trace. Almost no one believed that this mystery would ever be solved. But we have the solution. We discovered, in the course of blood curdling hidden camera operation, what happened to Natalee, and who did it. An extremely shocking documentary that will be world news on sunday, when it is broadcast by SBS 6. Make sure you are an eyewitness to the most exciting, most revealing documentary I have ever made.

when did he become YOUR robot?

did y'all kiss and make up over the "shoe-gate"????


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::MonkeyDance::




 :smt032

Every time the video is posted I promise I will not look at it again...then I do....this is as haunting as the picture of Beth at the beginning of the investigation after a presser when 2 of the men in the  AL group had to hold her up..I finally had to delete the picture to keep myself from looking at it.....

JQKelley to be on Greta tonight.

Any other coverage known at this time?

Will be curious to hear what BOR has to say after his big expose about the overdose!  Guess this makes him a Pinhead!

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what happened to natalee was not more an accident than that glass of wine in peter de vries eyes was.  notice jvds was apologizing to the hosts even before the glass was set down.  he was all ready worming his way out of retribution.  he's very practiced at that sort of thing.
dennisintn

Cautiously awaiting to see how this all turns out.  Is that your baby?  Sweet.

Don't I recall reading here a few days back that the monkeys were puzzling over Renfro and how she seemed to be losing it (again)?!?
We now know that deVries gave Mos his finding on January 23.  Could it be that the "word" got out on the island that big stuff was getting ready to hit the news again?

Yes, I think  Devries crypticly let Joran know during the interview that he had the goods on him! THAT is the reason Joran tossed the wine. Now we need an exact translation of the interview to see if we can tell just exactly WHAT set Joran off!!

or something hit the fan...

didnt I read not too long ago that Natalee would be found or the case would be solved in Feb or something like that?

and today is the last day of Jan. :shock:

who wrote that and WTF???

Anna...PINHEAD...good one!

Greta is irritating me about this case....I usually watch her....but the FIRST mention that she's going to have Taco on the show, I'm turning her show off!!  No matter how many times she had Taco on, I'm turning that show off.  I know Taco's in Italy, but you better believe he would find a camera to get in front on "if" he wanted to talk about Joran.

Aruba must be quivering in it's boots tonight!   ::MonkeyDance::

Yes! 2 American psychics said that at Christmas (not the 2 Indian loons either)

I have wondered if that is why that letter from Mos stating that she was
innocent of any wrongdoing was so important to her.

I was thinking about that, too, Blah.  I think it was a a prediction by someone with a 6th sense...what do you call them? 

We'll release a statement and comment when we can.  The seas have gotten worse.  We're headed back to the dock now in 10-14ft seas.  Getting pounded! Keep praying.

Is this you NEW addition?  Sooooooooooo sweet. Congrats. ::MonkeyWink::

Psychics, that's it!!!  I drew a blank.  LOL

Anyone brave enough to be following what the "RU Tribe" has to say about all of this? I just can't go there.

Sunny I too can not watch Beth's video anymore... it broke my heart.  She now knows.  You can tell.  The hand wringing... the pain in the eyes.

Klaas, thank GOD that I watched your video tribute to Natalee immediately after watching Beth and that helped.  What a wonderful piece.  Thanks for that.

psychics eh?

must just be some sort of coincidence then

My only request:
When you find Natalee, make a bee-line to the U.S.A. Do not pass Aruba -- do not collect $200.

It sounds better than the Super Bowl..I hope De Vries delivers
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Almost no one believed that this mystery would ever be solved. But we have the solution. We discovered, in the course of blood curdling hidden camera operation, what happened to Natalee, and who did it. An extremely shocking documentary that will be world news on sunday, when it is broadcast by SBS 6. Make sure you are an eyewitness to the most exciting, most revealing documentary I have ever made.

thanks for the heads up on JQK on greta,,,,I don't expect him to say much...not tonight anyway ::MonkeyWink::

I believe that the Persistence Captain said that some collected materials were being analyzed.  It could be the Mos is waiting for those results, combined with the new info to determine the type of charges. 

I AM OPTOMISTIC!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Oh my gosh,  I remember when you told us you were going to have a baby!  and now there she is!  How beautiful!

I hope that the seas calm down for you guys!

We got nailed with some nasty winter winds night before last 50+ mph and temps were around 0 not including windchill.

Tonight we are supposed to get 6-10 inches of snow and it was about 11 degrees and dropping last time I checked.  Thank god for global warming.

we will keep praying..y'all be careful...just reading about 10-14 ft seas makes my stomacj queasy!!

I think the Persistence is about due for those dives on the targets that he was telling us a week ago about..Everyone say a prayer that the oceans are calm the next few days and Natalee is found.

According to my calculations, the DeVries show will air at 12:30pm PST on 2/3/08.  What time does the SuperBowl actually start?

"Southeast Michigan is under a heavy snow warning tonight and tomorrow with a projected accumulation of 6 to 10 inches. Scattered areas could receive more and the snow may be followed by sleet.

The snow follows a system with winds that gusted to 56 m.p.h., downing power lines, toppling trees and plunging temperatures almost 40 degrees in just six hours."

Super Bowl starts at 6:17pm eastern time..Thats 12:17am in Holland.

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Yes, I think  Devries crypticly let Joran know during the interview that he had the goods on him! THAT is the reason Joran tossed the wine. Now we need an exact translation of the interview to see if we can tell just exactly WHAT set Joran off!!
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i don't think there was anything specific that pdvr said.  he just wouldn't play jvds' game and wouldn't give in to his wishes.  that's all it took.  i think that's exactly what happened to natalee.  she wouldn't give in to him, and he struck out at her.
dennisintn

I believe the broadcast starts at 6:00 pm est.

Yes--she was born January 14. Thanks!

I hope this new evidence finally brings a good outcome.

Thank you! Her name is Anne-Miriam. She's a delight!

Hi Beans...I can't help on RU...my blood pressure goes sky high if I try to read that crap.....but usually someone will post things over here if there is anything of importance haven't seen anything about renHO today...she is more than likely in hiding.....or on her knees doing favors

the video is haunting.....I am amazed at the strength of Beth......but like you said the wringing of her hands....her voice....the pain....it hurts to see her like that.... I ask God to take my strength and give it to her....and let me carry some of the pain for her

ohmygawd...those are words that make me shake all over......

LOL - If the SuperBowl doesn't start until 6:17pm Eastern time then the DeVries show will be over by then.  It should air at 3:30pm Eastern time if my calculations are correct.  ::MonkeyWink::

Congratulations!  She is beautiful!!! 

she is beautiful!!!  what's her name? You are blessed.

Is that true? So there's a chance we cold find out a lot on Sunday!

less than 48 hours ago i said i was COMPLETELY 100 PERCENT SURE there would be a conviction in this case. i posted it here


i see everything  ::MonkeyEek::



its a gift and a curse

That may be too much excitement for one day. ::MonkeyDance::

All I can say is - It is SOOOOOOOOOOO NICE to have news in this case and NOT have to hear Joe Tacos big mouth melting down and scaring dogs

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

oh she is so BEAUTIFUL!!!! how blessed you are!!!!

Yup..No need to miss any of the Super Bowl as it airs 3 hours earlier..Hopefully they put up the video after the show airs..I think its a 2 hour special so it will end around 2:30pm pacific time or 5:30pm eastern.

when did you become OWNED by Anna???


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thanks for the warm wishes, everyone. Her name is Anne-Miriam.

Robots, I love your optimism and I still believe you'll be right in the end.

Has anyone heard from Ramm lately?  He seems to have disappeared. ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

HOW CUTE!! Congrats!

congratulations !!!

wonderful news

BlueKYGirl,
Beautiful baby and beautiful name, one of my favs, in fact!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Career change I think  :wink2:

Posted at RU:

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Hi 2NJ,  No, Can't say that I have.  You poor dear if you were ironing there too, trying to keep up with 2 growing sons?~   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I have to tell you, I have seen a lot of forums and belong to a select few, but none have the same creative aspect as SM.  The creativity runs through the whole site, from web design to custom avitars  And it is nice that the posters really appreciate that.  Nifty Neato!

Who cares?

 ::MonkeyCool::

heheheheeheheh blah !!!!!

since she told me she owned  ::MonkeyHaHa:: thats when

yes,

thats a shame

NOT

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

What a fun packed day that will be.  I won't have time to breathe.

I'm going to tell my friends the party is off and not to come over so I can read the board...lol

BlueKYGirl - beautiful baby...what a sweet smile.

Anna is sweet and funny all in the same breath

and thats the bottom line  ::MonkeyWink::

man, your way to EASY!!!

  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::




 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyCool::

I keep thinking that maybe someone will be convicted of participating in a coverup, body disposal, or their lies. Lots of possibilities to consider.  jmho

http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/buitenland/2008/01/dood_holloway_was_ongeval.html

Feb 1, 2008

Blah,

Didn't you say you were born in Alabama and moved to Michigan?

Quit whining about the weather, then.  Today was about 55 degrees here mostly sunny.  Nice balmy breezes.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna gets all the men!!!  ::MonkeyWink::

http://**/articles/2008/01/31/ap-state-ar/d8uh7cn04.txt



Did anyone get to see that snip?

Charlie?

Thank you, Robots.  Sorry I didn't come to the door this morning when you brought me this news.  I have a neighbor who is nosey like Blah and thought that's who you were when the little doggies were barking!

We should have all known something was up by reaction of Julia getting a note excuse from Mos that she is not involved and the psycho psychics and the new rash of misinformation being churned out of the misinformation campaing.

.

I hope you're right. I keep thinking we'd be lucky just to get answers, but wouldn't it be great to see someone punished for what happened to Natalee?

My great-niece was born on the same date!!!!  Congrats & God bless.

Hopefully, something will be positive for Natalee and her family.  Like others, I watched that video clip of Beth and the pain is in her eyes...

 ::MonkeyDance::  Howdy everyone !  What wonderful news !! 
YES Lalas.. I had to work today.. . :(   I got a call right before I left about the news..then another on my way home and tons of emails !  TY to all for letting me know.  I didnt want to tbe at work.. BUT.. had no choice.  LOL
<not moved yet Klaas.. will let everyone know when I am out and offline .. :(   

Keeping Nataless family in my prayers !!


Wreck and Robots.. we got some new fresh cigars in the humidor !!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Nut44!
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Picture: De Vries mother Natalie brings up to date
Death Holloway was accident'
(Translation)
Actualiteitenprogramma Nova has found all three sources that Joran an Aruban man is encountered with which he is concerned. The man, Peter R. De Vries have a band, either with him have agreed to Joran a confession to attract.

Joran then does a full confession, not knowing that he filmed. He not known that he has murdered Natalee, because she was killed by an accident. Joran is the body of Natalie road. Deepak and Satish, the Surinamese boys who also long been suspected, are not involved. The crime reporter wanted tonight in the television Pauw & Witteman not say whether the sources speak the truth.

That's all I ever wanted too. Just let Beth and Dave bring their daughter home. Let Aruba stew in their own justice system.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/31/aruba.missingteen/

I wonder which (or how many) suspects went to school the day after Natalee disappeared? 

yep

Nope.  Mississippi. I'm way too cool to be from Alabama ::MonkeyLaugh::

And I'm not whining - just typical weather for Michigan this time of year.  Thought i'd tell oceanexplorer about it to give hime something to take his mind off getting pounded by the rough seas.

Now ya wanna hear some whining - listen to those folks down in Alabam when it gets down close to 32 and y'all freak out about pipes breaking and go clean out the grocery stores and put funny clothes on your dogs.

Or how about when it gets a little warm spell down there and y'all freak out - we got no water we got no water. halp me halp me!!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think he has started a new chapter in his career and devoting lots of time to it....

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 ::MonkeyWink::

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I wish I were a fly on the wall in the house of sweat tonight  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi *******,  how do you interpret this:  " in the course of blood curdling hidden camera operation..."   Blood curdling is such an extreme adverb combo.  I know they are pumping it up to sell the sizzle of the show, but am wondering if blood in any way is part of Joran's confession, or if someone screamed when they were filming these guys?


I'm probably all wet, but Wreck, did you find out what was last said before the wine got tossed in DeVries face?  That was such a stroke of genius on your part!

DeVries was just in Aruba doing a part for his show. If Natalee ws on Aruba and could be retrieved from land, don't you think that something would have happened by now ?
It's been so quiet there, except for Julia and those other crazies.
And, DeVries just didn't get that tape yesterday, he's been aware of it for a while.
I am pretty sure that the family and the current serachers were provided with the info.   

wehwalt Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:14 pm    @ RU

I do not doubt that De Vries will present a theory of what happened. I simply doubt there will be hard evidence behind it, or it will be provable in court. 

"Look what they have done to Natalee?"  Did Beth see the video of Joran raping and killing her or of something more recent?

GEL just posted at RWV

http://content.vkmag.com/gallery/jorandidit/index.html

ummmmmmmmm...aren't the Kalpoes coming up on a court date soon in USA?

I'm not sure what to think but
here's a new one from:
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/

Natalee Holloway Update 3: Drug-Suicide rumours resurface. Van der Sloot confessess. Natalee's death accidental

It's 2.30 am here now. SBS 6 just broke the news that Van der Sloot did confess to witnessing Natalee's death, he claims it was an accident. This confirms the earlier rumours. Allegedly, van der Sloot saw her overdosing and panicked. The whole U.S. media is waking up, but no one seems to be able to get Peter R. De Vries talking. I don't think I will be doing this again tomorrow, but it sure was fun. Missing-white-girl-media-circus, you stole my heart.

Now there's a nightmare!  Anna doesn't get all the men.  Anna doesn't want all the men.  Anna is quite happy as she is.

CharlieRat belongs to Angie.  He just likes to stalk my posts for some very odd reason.  He also has a very obvious crush on Beth.  I am surprised they still let him post at that site considering how smitten he is with Beth since actually meeting her!

roflmao!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

My Gut tells me that this has been known by Glenda the Witch a/k/a Julia Renfro, a/k/a Bon Dia, a/k/a liar extrordinaire for a few days.  I think the day the dialogue began at the hell hole site is when something was known and that something might be some DNA.

You know, this is not the reaction of a mother presented with an "accident" that befell her daughter.  Beth clearly says, "Look what they have done to Natalee."  She is not commenting on an accident.

Daniel is doing his best to be sane at an insane website, lol  ::MonkeyWink::

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Mississippi!!!  That's where I am.  I always wondered why you were so cool.  You have solved that mystery for me!   ::MonkeyCool::

Posted on the front page of SM:

TJ wrote:


ABC is advertising that this info will be on 20/20 Monday night 9 pm est

So do I.
 

My interpretation is he got explosive and shocking video from the mouth of Joran. Sounds like it was quite detailed,so talking about blood very could have been part of his confession but I think it was a shock and awe statement to get everyone to watch. If it was accident then why lie and cover up for almost 3 years?

I agree with Daniel.  Now, the ball is in the Aruban's court.  The world is watching, Aruba--or it will be on Sunday.  Whatcha' gonna do?

Oduber?
Croes?
Mos?

What are you going to do?

why not?  They gave the perps official evidence so that they could make up their next lie  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope you didn't seriously throw out those cigars earlier when the humidor went out -- a few days won't hurt them and they ARE recoverable even if they do dry out!! It just takes time and PATIENCE.

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

From the FrontPage:
TJ on January 31st, 2008 10:20 pm
ABC is advertising that this info will be on 20/20 Monday night 9 pm est

I'll check the ABC website.

What a coincidence.  Joran says they are not part of what happened so what does this mean for their case.  They still have to turn over those documents.  How much you want to bet they won't and they won't because they are guilty.  We will never see the true documents.

no...we consider him a rat...not a man...but yep...Charlie has a crush on her too..lol

Goodnight all...I do not have the stomach to watch Greta tonight and it is far to late for any arrests to take place so I am out for now. Be back in the morning.

exactly

it is like they hurt her, then didnt help her and then killed her and then hid her

horrible

Goodnight Nut.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Congrats BlueKYgirl!!  Anne-Miriam is beautiful! 

ABC News will air a 90-minute special edition of "20/20: The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway" on Monday, Feb. 4, at 9:30 p.m. ET

from: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4222253&page=1

Deficit and debt increased again 

ORANJESTAD – Compared to 2006 when the government deficit was 42.6 million florins in the first nine months, the deficit in the same period of 2007 has increased again to 79.7 million florins.   In this same period, the national debt increased with 144.6 million florins to a total of 2.04 milliard florins, an increase of 7.6 percent. 

In the percentages, a comparison is always made with the same period a year before.  In 2007, the national debt was 44 percent of the gross domestic product (BBP) versus 43.7 percent in 2006.  The domestic debt of the government increased to 100.9 million florins, 9.6 percent, and the international debt with 43.7 million, or 5.2 percent. 

The Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) announced these figures yesterday during a press conference.  Considering these developments, CBA emphasizes that if the government wants to work towards a balanced budget, she needs to control her expenditures this year and so decrease the deficit and minimize the number of loans. 

Anyway, the president of the Central Bank, Hassanali Mehran is considerably less optimistic about the government’s strive for balancing the budget in 2009 than in the beginning of last year.  Mehran has chaired the National Commission on Public Finance (NCPF) that advised the government on balancing the budget.  “Now that I have the figures in front of me, it appears that balancing the budget looked more feasible then.  But the government can still take measures.”

He says that something needs to be done to the increasing costs of the AZV.  “If the government doesn’t manage to do that, she won’t manage to balance the budget either.”  At this moment, Mehran is also chairman of the committee that must take care of the implementation of the NCPF report. 

 
http://www.amigoe.com/english/



But. . .but Tourism is just soaring, all hotels booked all the time, etc.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Beautiful baby.  Congratulations.

BTW - WTF is "official proof"???

does that even make sense?

official proof - who even talks like that??

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

When is that American Justice special with Bill Curtis on A&E that is to be about Natalee?

Joran will say on the tape it was an accident.  She fell and hit her head (Joran really hit her with an object).  Joran will say no one helped him bury her.  He will never say daddy helped or any of his friends.  What he might say is that some beach bum helped him and he doesn't know who he is because he was some druggied that he gave money to.....blah blah blah.  He will not implicate one person.

Joran will get off scott free and never go to jail.  He will figure this will shut everyone up if he admits that he did it but he doesn't care because he knows he is not going to jail so what will be the worst thing that will happen to him?  The world will think he is a sociopath/murderer?  Well guess what they think that already.

I'm sure it was an accident.  Those witnessing the accident dialed 911.  Those responding to the 911 call disposed of the body and have amnesia after an accident that totalled the public vehicle. 

Joran then does a full confession, not knowing that he filmed. He not known that he has murdered Natalee.
----------------------------------
Ok,So it sounds like Joran is admitting to Involunatary manslaughter. He didn't mean to kill her but she OD'D on the GHB they gave her. The statement says murder but a accident  ::MonkeyEek::

I sure hope this isn't all a set up like in Tamikosmom's theory. I pray this leads to the real truth and recovery of natalee.

Was it stated that Joran was not at his home in the NL where is is studying "LAW"?  I thought he wanted to do international accounting or something.  So he decided law would be a good field to get into?  I don't think so. ::MonkeyEek::

I have not watched Greta since last Spring. You all will have to give play by play. It was said earlier that she is already claiming this is 'nothing new.' I guess she will never admit she has it all wrong! To Hell with her.

Here ya go, Blah!  Dogs with coat technology! 

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Beth doesn't sound like she has just heard about any accident.  Jossy is to be on Dana's tomorrow night, right?  He said murder today.  Maybe he will have more information.

Is watching somebody die and doing nothing an accident?  Not to me.

Prolly is to Joran, however.

.

Owner tossed them .  lol They were BAD.. tust me.

I wonder what the accident was?  Breaking a cell phone?  Losing the shoes?  Forgetting where the body was?

I did not read her theory because I have been all over the place but this is exactly what it is.  This is a setup.  I don't care if Joran had 30 drinks in him he would never confess.

im with ya

she makes me want to VOMIT

i cant stand her

i wont watch her

i wont

i wont

i wont

 ::MonkeyTongue:: BAck at yah ! 
Just watched that little video of Beth.  :(  Her wringing her hands.. her tone of voice.. what she says and the holding back of tears is heartbreaking.  :(

roflmfao, jvds saw how much money taco makes telling lies.  he figures if he can get into the law field, he can make 5 times as much as taco cause he's 5 times better at lying than taco is. either that, or he's all ready found out that nobody in their right mind who ever wanted to know the truth about anything would ever hire him. 
dennisintn

Him swinging a bat and hitting her.

hi Bunny  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

A lot of the reject posters are certifiable MOO

If Natalee died as a result of an accident then why did they dispose of her body & not notify the proper authorities?? I call BS

Hi monkeys, I am back

I just saw What Pieter is going to show on Feb3th, He is saying that it was an mistake...and I thinkhe is going to try to justify a motive... but as we all now the codes are saying something else.

He is going to talk about probablythe MIU error.Or the Dopple Ganager.

Natalee never fell

she was pushed

geez, y'all even put clothes on yer squirrels down there?   ::MonkeyConfused::

So now it's Natalee overdosed on drugs?  Did I read that right?  Joran said it was an accident?  Why not call the police or take her to a hospital?  I knew I was getting queasy for a reason...

total BS is RIGHT

she was raped and beaten

and that is why the body had to disappear

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::   :)  Bunny misses yah and everynoe else !

I know what you mean Wreck, I'd quit watching I was so disgusted with her; tried to watch a couple times when Stacy Peterson thing started but then she was kissing up to Drew's lawyer all the time and made me mad again.  If she leads with this story I may watch some but otherwise, I'll find out what JQK says somewhere else.  Nancy Grace had Jossy by phone and the AMW....I think John...that may not be right; but I was so disgusted after 20-25 minutes of Brittney Spears crap that I didn't really pay attention.  Jossy did say he was very pleased with the news today, I remember that.

"if they find the body then they will see that shit"

joran thinks when the WINE was thrown at peter.. was an accident too

NEWSFLASH -

joran sucks

and we miss  MISS BUNNY  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

 Kind of confused here Caps.. what was the MISTAKE???   

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

 Why TY my steel friend.  ::MonkeyCool::



CAPS  what does MIU mean???   

Yes but according to Joran the Kalpoes had nothing to do with it.  If they had nothing to do with it how would they know that little bit of information.

Greta was just bragging today about how great the tourism is when she was on Cavuto.  She said no different from 2005, as they still have difficulty getting a room when they go there.  Did Greta think it might be because they don't want her there and are pretending no room at the inn for the FOTC

Joran is a liar!!

i agree, but that isn't the story we'll hear sunday night.  surely you know he's going to minimize his part in her death.  he's told some lie that blames natalee for everything that happened to her.  we've seen and heard and read way too much about this creep to ever think he'd ever admit being at fault or responsible for anything he's done.
dennisintn

Anna has Squirrels???




 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Even if they TRY to pass this off as an accident -- the whole world KNOWS that it wasn't. Aruba will NEVER get a "do-over."
There will never be Aruban "justice." Just return Natalee to us. Aruba's fate was sealed 2 1/2 years ago. Karma is a bitch.

Well that would be the easy way out. Have Joran prosecuted for 2 years and then have it all go away without implicating anyone else. Problem is the facts of this case show alot more than involuntary manslaughter. At the very least it was volunatry manslaughter with other crimes. We have already caught them trying to lie about Natalee killing herself or using cocaine,as it's in the case files. They have never publicly admitted what the pimps were doing with her that night. So this will be interesting to see if they look like idiots again and try to fool everyone.

I wonder if Beth will make a statement before Sunday.
I want to hear what she has to say about it being accident.
Only when I hear it from her, will I believe it is an accident.
I'm also curious to see what impact this has on the
Persistence search.  Does Joran "confess" where the
body is.

not much good for anything

they talk and talk and talk and never get anything done

i can think of alot of other names to call her, but then i would be a banned robots  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now be calm Lala's, it will be alright....maybe this cool washcloth on the back of your neck will help....I was there patting your back today, did you notice?  I couldn't tell you because I'd already logged in twice at work and I never had before so I was very worried someone would notice.  But I was also worried about you and hoped you would feel my comforting you.  We will get through this also....this is a great day...progress is being made and we will continue to pray for patience in bringing Natalee home.  She is in a better place now and the pain and injustice is no more for our precious girl.  Bringing her home must be our focus right now, we know from experience that the only true justice will probably have to come from God.

Greta on now !

I still believe goon child is covering for his daddy & the dirty old mens club  MOO

yep

its a LOAD

give her back and i will still do whatever i can for the rest of my life to make sure aruba
sinks

i dont care

to quote a famous actor

"I DONT BARGAIN"

Beth viewed videotape and audio tape and was astonished................she believes some of her questions had been answered

JQK on FOX NOW

Thanks Angie!

JQK sais Beth was astonished about the video and audio.. what she seen and heard was autentic. Feels some answers she needed she has now.   JQK knows more details.. but wont say anything.  He says someone makes admissions of what happned the night she vanished. about her body was disposed of. 
  OMG.  JQK says not possible to recover her bodt at this time.   :( :(   

Beth filled JQK in today.  Then there were press releases today.  She was astonished at what she had seen and heard. 

JQK said Beth was satisfied what she had seen and heard was authentic.  He knows a little more detail and but he can't tell it right now.

Someone basically making admissions and how her body was disposed of and how it wasn't found.

JQK said it would not be possible to recover the body at this time because of the manner of disposal.

JQK

it is my understanding that the body would not be recoverable at this time

Info includes why she has disappeared, and the body would not be retrievable at this time in the manner it was disposed of

ty Bunny

John Q. Kelly says the body cannot be recovered because of the way it was disposed of. :smt065

JQK: Body not recoverable???

JKQ dont know if its goig to be a staright running audio and video no Derives show...
a PEER gained Jorans confidence says JQK
Tape will go in front of a judge again..   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

im about to be sick

It was someone the same age as Joran.

Hans has seen the tape and he is going before the examining judge.

Tacky Alert

EAT SHIT AND DIE TACO YOU ASSHAT!!!!

Joe Tacopina said there is nothing that could come out of this episode that will convince him he had anything to do with Natalee's death.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

TacoPenis on now
GAG

He said JVDS prob concerned about being arrested again. Press release is ridiculous..  He says do an investigation. He STILL thinks JVDS is innocent..  <not his words> hes yacking too damn fast.
If there is a tape that gives details great says. her INCLINED to believe him will be gone.  TACOASS says prosecutor had this tape over a week ago.. Pros release the info today.. not sure of the value in the tape.
Asswipe Tacopenis head. said let the tape come out and see what it is.
There is no concern this tape will lead to a revalation to convict JVD.
 Taco had convo with JVDS.. He wont go into a convo about his client.   ::MonkeyConfused::
 STILL says he has NOTHING to do with the case.

Wish I would have read this a little sooner....

::MonkeyShocked::
 And they expect us to believe this was some kind of accident and joran did it all by himself? It's time to make some arrest's and get the real truth out of these scumbags!
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Taco admits he hasnt even heard the tape

Joe Tacopina said he has spoken to Joran and his confidence has not been shaken.

The prosecutors have had this tape for a week.

Thanks *******,  Hmmm  If it was a simple accident, maybe it was the shock and awe of what was done with her body.  That is a gruesome thought, but in reading Beth's saying today 'WHAT THEY DID TO HER', it could be a reference to that. 

Well, just great ~ Tacopeanuts just said that mama and papa Sloot spoke to Mos today ~ nothing important (paraphrasing Mos' words).

 Hey girl !!  :)  TY for the call earlier !  ::MonkeyCool::

Greta said it's still got to be a nice clean tape without any cuts.

sounds like they burned her OR cut her up

i posted a fire pit that was large about a year ago

the pit was a large hole and then wood thrown on top of it and burned


bastards

Speaking of lawyers. I was at jury selection today ( my number did not get called, BooHoo ). This is a true one and we all ROFlaffing today.
Part of the process is :
The proposed juror is to stand and look at the accused.
So, one prospect stands and looks at the defense lawyer when he has been told to look at the accused.
The majestic judge had to correct the person and tell him Sir, you are looking at
the lawyer, the accused is in the stand.
OMG
Well that broke the ice in a very somber ( murder ) proceeding.
..
I wanted to be selected. A four weeker trial. Oh well, maybe it will happen again. 

Greta seems to be slipping a bit on her position about Joran. She's not jumping yet, but shifting just a bit. My bet is that it's Beth's response that she has some answers she has sought that nudges Greta a bit.

consider the source  ::MonkeyCool::

Michael Cardoza an attorney on Greta said he feels that there is not a lot to this.

Greta said the Kalpoes don't have a problem with this tape.

I am sick in the gut. Body not recoverable?  :( :( :(  WTF the pig assholes do to her.  I have ideas I wont post.

You may be right about that,because it seem's he admitted to what they did with her body. I bet they arrest him tommorow.

You're welcome chicky!!!

I PRAY they arrest him tomorrow... only this time I hope he doesn't walk away unscathed....

The body was cremated (MO) as has been brought up on here before.

  You read my mind  :(  Cut up..  :(   Cremated..  :(   Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh make me sick ot think about.  :(

JQK saying that the body is un-recoverable makes us all fear "cremation." Well, cremation and "accident" just don't jibe. No way --no how. Cremation is pre-meditated and confirms many are in on the "accident." ......... I'm gonna wait for more actual info.

BEFORE I TURN IN FOR THE NIGHT I WILL SAY THIS ONE THING.  THIS TAPE IS BULLSHIT.  THIS IS JORAN AT HIS ACTING BEST.  HE HAS BEEN PRACTICING.

IS PETER DEVRIES THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD THAT HAS THIS HIGH TECH EQUIPMENT.

I thought he was getting remedial courses, last I heard.

Makes me sick too and very angry those pigs!!!

The fires of St. Johns ? June 24. St John the Baptist Day
Was that Shango or Simian.? Well, heck no .. Joran was in jail then.

 

joran is done

bet everything
he will be arrested and convicted

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:(  Sad to think about Cubbeeeee...  VERY.   They will get theirs one day.  Woudlnt shock me iof JVDS dont get OFFED.

From your fingertips to God's ears, Robots.

Posted by Heli at RU:

Nancy Grace
January 31, 2008

Nancy:

Is there finally a crack in the case of missing Alabama girl, Natalee Holloway?

Straight out to America's Most Wanted's John Lieberman. John, what's happening?

John:

Nancy, this journalist says he has this case solved. He said he used undercover methods, undercover cameras and he knows the mode of how Natalee Holloway was killed and how her body was disposed of but we've been down this road before. We were actually with the Holloways down in Aruba searching for Natalee. There have been a lot of ups and downs.

On its surface this looks like a major development, it it is indeed true that this is solved.

Nancy:

What do you believe it is John?

John:

What leads me to believe that there is something significant here is 2 things: (1) Natalee Holloway's mother did indeed go and meet with this journalist and she seems to be condoning what he's doing and (2) the prosecutor issued a statement today saying that there's major progress in this investigation and it will all be revealed Sunday night on Dutch television

Nancy:

Let's go out to the managing director of Diario Magazine there in Aruba, Jossy Mansur is joining us. Jossy, it's great to talk to you again. What can you tell us about these developments?

Jossy:

Well we're very interested, very excited about this news, it was unexpected. Now de Vries claims that he has videos obtained with an undercovery camera operation that he conducted over a month and a half or two months. He showed this to the prosecution in Aruba last week and he gave them a copy also and the Prosecution was very upbeat with this.

Nancy:

Out to John Lieberman with American's Most Wanted, how long do you believe the secret surveillance lasted and who was being surveilled?

John:

We're being told that this was several months of undercovery tape, hours and hours of tape. It's unclear exactly who was under surveillance, but what's interesting is the surveillance it appears only took place within the past year which is actually 2 years since Natalee went missing. It'll be very interesting to see what the smoking gun is here

Nancy:

So you're saying the surveillance took place in the last year?

John:

That's what it appears at this point, yeah and that's what makes it a little less intriguing is that it didn't start right around the time that Natalee went missing

Nancy:

It sounds like conversations that may have been conducted between the 3 prime suspects.
( Right, in Holland de Vries videotaped JoRan AND the Kalpoe brothers lol

Bethany Marshall, it is such a roller coaster for Natalee's parents, but of course if there's a chance to crack the case, what do you think?

Marshall:

I think they're very motivated to crack this case and to see justice served but I think they're maintaining their sanity by keeping a certain amount of distance from all the breaking stories so instead of being so close to it, they have to be a little more distant.

Nancy:

Joining us is Detective Lieutenant Steve Rogers, former member of the FBI. Detective Rogers question, what can a reporter do that the police can't do?

Rogers:

I'll tell you Nancy, I'm puzzled over this whole situation with the aruban police down there. Here you have a reporter conducting an investigation without the police working with him, the you have the police coming out saying they've got new evidence before seeing if it's credible, before seeing if there's any connection to their investigation, so I think they've got to connect some more dots and see where they're going to go from here.

Nancy:

Let's unleashed the lawyers. Joining us tonight is Susan Moss, Joey Jackson and Randy XXX. Susan, the reality is the Constitution protects you from the police, from the state, from prosecutors, from agents of the state but it doesn't protect you from blabbing to reporters, even if they're undercover.

Susan:

Absolutely. The question is when these conversations were recorded, did this guy have an expectation of privacy. Was he speaking to a clergy member, was he speaking to his lawyer or something of that sort. If he did not then this is probably going to go in because these reporters are not agents of the law

Nancy:

Agree or disagree Zelan?

Zelan:

The issue is, it's a brilliant tactic on law enforcment's part because these guys ostensibly, if they are the same targets, they have lawyers so law enforcement can't deal directly with them because they're lawyered up so use private people.

Nancy:

But there's no indication that police asked this journalist to do this, therefore the journalist is not a state's agent and therefore no constitutional protections would apply

Joey:

In a limited sense Nancy and here's why because we all have an expectation of privacy. The issues are going to be, where was this surveillance taken? Was it taken at a location where we don't have expectation of privacy. There have been some reports that indicate that they actually went into the home and they did surveillance there. That certainly is something that would cause pause for the admissability of any kind of surveillance.

ANY body disposal method that makes it "unrecoverable" is NOT an accident. If Joran disposed of the body because of an "accident" it would be a "panic" move and "haphazard." Lets not rush to judgement until we hear what Devries actually has. JQK has not been the most accurate source on anything yet. He NEVER tells us anything that we here at SM did not know already.

Or she was put in the landfill and we were never given the opportunity nor cooperation to find her.

As much as I want Joran arrested, I don't want them to rush things. Iwant them to get him for good. I want to watch him go into jail with confidence that I will never see him walk out a free man. Paulus too! If she was disposed of with no possibility of discovery, Paulus was in the middle of it, as has always been suspected.

I'm waiting for a transcript. Did JQK say the body was not retrievable at this time because of the manner of disposal? I suppose that means it can never be retrieved.

Greta said the Kalpoes don't have a problem with this tape.

... Is she making phone calls to Nadira or did she go on the front lawn and call her out ?

According to some Dutch websites the K2's are not implicated by Joran in the tapes.  I think that is the info Greta is going by.

9:29 pm, nancy is about to cover natalee.
dennisintn

That thought had crossed my mind also Red. Someone definitely did not want that landfill search completed...

greta is so lame

greta, go do something

geeeeshh

what an idiot

I said earlier there would be a Joey T sighting tonight after he had all day to try and come up with some spin.

That is as nervous and uneasy as you will ever see a NYC Atty.

When they have audio and video proff that your client admitted to a crime ... DENY ... DENY ... DENY.

Tacopina ... your client is guilty.

OK, think of it this way.  IF she was cremated, and it was at the refinery "Rene" then some chit is really going to start flying, because we all know Rene, ran that area.  So now things will tie into other things, and more people will fall.

 I agree.  He makes me SICK.  Spin and kiss SLoot ass. Bet hes got crap in his pants.

sing it RED

Maybe Joran is saying the body is a place where it can't be
recovered because he is afraid that the Persistence will find
her.  It wouldn't be the first time Joran has lied.

San ... the following is my theory.

I contend that this is all a setup.  Joran becomes the sacrificial lamb and accepts "full" responsibility for what happened.  Paulus as well as the Kalpoes (who can implicate Paulus) are given a free pass.  Joran who was a minor at the time of the "incident" will receive a slap on the wrist.  Also ... the sons of the elite (pimps) as well as the "powers that be" that were involved in or aware of the coverup will be given a free pass.

Case Closed!

The fact that a 17 year old young man with no medical degree determined that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... not just passed out ...  prior to disposing of her remains will never be questioned.

Think about it ... this same scenario was put forth by the Chief Deputy in the Natalee Holloway investigation in March 22, 2006.  The only difference ... the "powers that be" in Aruba reconsidered and made the determination that the Kapoes were not to be implicated.  Deepak and Satish's salvation ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.

Janet
__________

Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Mystery
March 22, 2006

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of.  The boys may have acted alone.

"We’re not talking about killers here," he says

And that's the truth...

Arrested, convicted and released with time served.  This is to help the Kalpoes win their lawsuit and split the money with the Sloots.  This was tried by Dumbpig a long time ago. Won't fly again. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or she was put in the landfill and we were never given the opportunity nor cooperation to find her.

Red, I had forgot about that.  You are so right.  I would think this long it would not be recoverable.  Then this does go back to the police force and government of Aruba. Not good for business now or in the future.

The first thing Beth wanted was to take her daughter home alive.

When she didn't think that was possible, she wanted to take her daughter's body home.

I think the reason she looks so defeated is because she cannot even do that.  She can't even bury her daughter. 

Let's think here, people. Remember that Mos was claiming "incriminating"  wiretaps. Mos was claiming that they were discussing the death of 'the girl.' Tacopina et al claimed that this was "old evidence" and was really talking about a teacher that drowned.
Well, what if Joran was spouting to this hidden camera exactly the same details that the Mos wiretap had?? Wouldn't this be corroborating evidence that Joran was ALSO discussing Natalee in those wiretapped conversations back in '05???

Taco had conversation with Joran VDS.. He wont go into the conversation about his client.   
 
Nothing will convice him that his client had anything to do with this case.

NO SH%# SHERLOCK ... not if you expect to be paid or disbarred.

You job as a defence attorney is to lie through your teeth (oh sorry, I meant represent your client)

Joey T has never asked his client whether he was innocent or guilty. He does not want to know. A defence atty never wants to know that answer.

If you are going to go on TV Joey, come up with a better spin, you had all day to think one up.

hi Monkeys...just saw a newsflash on our local news...but i can't get the Beth video to play....maybe that's a blessing.   hope that they get joran...and his father.   there's no doubt in my mind his father was involved in the disposal plans and execution.  I want to see them both go down.  If the Kalpoes weren't involved, that wouldn't surprise me.  We'll see.....hopefully DeVries will come through on this...and tomorrow we'll see Joran arrested. 

I thought about that,

If that's where she is, JVDS should have to dig in the landfill on his hands and knees until he finds her.

 Hi Annie.. I sure hope you are able to get to view that video.  :( 
Guess we have to wait til Sunday to see whats up.  :(

Hey Annie! The video is a heartbreaker for sure and I pray that this time it is the real deal... no more bs...

yes AND i suspect that joran in discussing it, also said some other things about Natalee
that were derogatory and even mentioned her name and that he was glad she was dead and
things of that type

you know he did - because he just does not care  about anything UNLESS it pertains to HIM

24ora has the short Beth clip and another DeVries clip:

http://www.24ora.com/

If the Persistence finishes up tomorrow, does that mean everyone is comfortable with the idea that she isn't at sea?  I wonder what JQK knows.

He would have but he's been busy on the crapper all day.

Heh Cubbee....hope you're well.   And me too!

Hi Annie- there's nothing to indicate the Persistence is finishing up tomorrow.  We'll just have to wait and see.

:smt022

I just hope this isn't another round of BS in Aruba.  I want to see Joran and his father arrested.

No,Not at all..I still expect them to examine those targets that OE talked about almost a week ago. Plus they are still working that extended search area.

Ok, just thinking out loud here.
About ten days ago, wasn't there some rumor that perhaps the Persistence found something as there was media on the Island ? And a forencsics person ?
Then Robin posted somwhere a few weeks ago something was found, but the something was coral and / or  debris.
Could it be that Peter had a fornensics person with him ? To check out the where ?
I guess it's going to be spin spin spin time until we actually see the DeVries program or Beth comes forward afterwards.
She looked exhausted and just beat up emotionally in that very short clip. Poor woman. I hope she has surrounded herself with people who can carry HER for a while because she sure looked like she was in need. Heartbreaking again. Also for Dave, Jug and Robin and Matt. 

Does anyone know the exact words that JQK used when he was talking about Natalee's remains...unfortunately I missed the first part of the show.....TIA  ::MonkeyRoll::

San's transcription of JQK's part.

Two things struck me odd this evening while watching Greta:

1. That Greta almost went after Joey T in a personal manner stating that if there was a tape with Joran confessing that she would "no longer be inclined to believe him". Greta said this to TACOPINA in a personal, firm manner like she was pissed at him for having been told lies by him and having fell for it hook, line and sinker.

2. The Greta panel is making out this story to be "The boy who cried Wolf". This is what Aruban authorities tried to accomplish with all of their disinformation, arrests and re-arrests. To desensitize the story.

The one big difference that makes this story different and more believable is that De Vries is not the ALE. He is an investigative crime reporter on a mission. He has been nothing but truthful, honest, upfront and thorough.

The reason why the OM released a PR today was so not to be inundated by 10,000 news agencies.

For those that think this is just another "set-up" ---- let's wait until we see the actual tapes ourselves. I have no doubt that we will be able to tell if Joran is truly speaking candidly or is acting out a "script." I just don't think Devries would risk his career on a scam. Beth is convinced it is legit. I just gotta think it has to be really authentic for Beth to be taken in.
Also, just because Joran "might" claim in the tapes that it was an accident -- doesn't make it so. Joran may be hiding the true details to this "mole" as well.

Personally, -- I think they have him nailed -- but finding the body would sure help!!

Thanks TM, that was just what I was looking for.  I couldn't get my smilies to load.

  Said they wont be recovered  ....   :( :(

wreck
you nailed it

JQK seems to know what has happened to Natalee for him to say what he said

and yet he doesnt seem to be on the ball with things

im not happy with him

...JUST LOOK (AT) WHAT THEY DID...TO NATALEE...

Indeed.

To look and see and then to know what "they" did.  And would do to you -- or your daughter.

She rubs her hands together, anxious...all the horrible memories as in a flood come roaring back...the fear...the horror -- her daughter, a living, breathing, bright and wonderful child : DEAD.

It was her daughter they stole, killed and hid.  A girl.  She was just a girl.

And look at what they did.

That is why we yearn for truth here. 

What they did was EVIL and SAVAGE.  And made a girl into heroine and champion.

I stand with "the girl."

.

IMO, this is part of the conspiracy that was revealed in the riddles of the conspirator's over the internet.

Disposing of a persons body is CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT to a reasonable jurist, that is.  There IS NO WAY that ACCIDENTAL has any ring of truth. NONE.

In the event that Natalee can not be recovered that is a murder, plain & simple.

Give credit where credit is due, Mr. DeVries documented the murderer telling yet another of his poor me tales of being in the wrong place at the wrong time as every sociopath loudly proclaims their innocence & the victim they have found themselves to be, ignoring the real victim who is INNOCENT & forever harmed & stolen of their fruitful life while this pile of mentally ill chit whines away his machismo, no value crap.

Thank You KLaas.....Maybe what He means is that the tapes did not reveal that Natalee was buried behind the shed so to speak and that easy recovery of her remains was not possible hence no digging now...but that certainly doesn't mean that the remains are not in the ocean and that the Persistence isn't still looking...see what I mean........  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWink:: Please don't give up Hope of Recovering Natalee's remains

And so do I  

Yes, she was just a girl.... so tragic... I also stand with "the girl"

Per poster sunmoonstars at BFN:

Here are JQK's exact words about recovering the body:

It's' my understanding from what i've heard that it would not be possible to recover the body at this time...the manner of disposal.

Amen, Hammer.  The fact that Aruba sided with the savages infuriates me. There is absolutely NOTHING Aruba can do to ever right their wrong. EVER!!!

Please don't give up based upon evidence that we might be presented. If it is time irregardless of this latest incident, by all means we appreciate everything done so far, more so than you wil ever know, more so than we can ever show. But PLEASE DO NOT QUIT BASED SOLEY UPON THIS NEW INFORMATION UNTIL IT IS CREDENTIALED. PLEASE.

fire

Red ... I adhere to the theory that Natalee Holloway was placed in the landfill.

The account of Junior ... the landfill witness ... is consistent and …. with much detail was conveyed by his brother to the ALE in the first week of the investigation.  Almost two month later the same story was related to Natalee's family.  Junior provided a description of the vehicle and … he recorded a licence (tag) number. Junior identifies the location where he observed Natalee was placed and .. he described the child’s plastic pool which was used as a covering and ... the plastic pool was recovered in that location by TEA/Dave Holloway.
 
I comprehend that Junior failed the polygraph test administered by Jamie Skeeter. However … it should be noted that Junior had volunteered to take that test and … it is known that those who are afflicted with mental disorders/addictions are often very poor candidates for lie detector tests. Also … if Junior feared intimidation by the “powers that be” in Aruba … again the outcome of the polygraph would be considered inconclusive when the stress factor is considered.
 
I believe it is possible that Natalee was moved from the landfill following Junior's observation.
 
Junior's brother came forward to authorities on June 3, 2005 … two days after Junior's observation at the landfill on June 1, 2005.  When Junior came forward to Beth Twitty two months later with the same story .... ALE claimed that authorities had gone to the landfill and checked out Junior's original story and .... found nothing. I contend that .... knowing the exact location and .... after only two days had passed since the observation ... the "powers that be" would have had no difficulty locating Natalee.. I suspect that on June 3, 2005 … Natalee could have been moved as a result of Junior's observation.

I find it highly suspicious that Junior's brother came forward to authorities on June 3, 2005 regarding the happening which Junior had observed at the landfill on June 1, 2005 and ..... the Holloway and Twitty's did not find out about this witness until Junior personally contacted them two months later.
 
Inquiring minds want to know ... WHY?

some things are UNFORGIVEABLE

and this is one of them

I am really getting myself worked up tonight and I need to keep a little bit of my composure for tomorrow. Some of you monkeys remember another girl who had her life snatched away from her... our precious little Kaitlin Aydell... she was just a girl also and tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of her disappearance and her death. Her mother will surely need her friends tomorrow...

Have a great night all.. Nice seeing yah. Gotta get up at 6 am for work.. IF I make it.. we are suppose to get a bad ice storm here tonight.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::
 Hope and pray this is IT this time.. cant wait to hear whats on Peters show Sunday !  Take care!
 HUGS TO NEMO AND CP !    ::MonkeyCool::

I stand with "the girl" too, Hammer.  Great Post.

I stand with the "girl" also.

Thanks BB!  ::MonkeyWink::

On the video, Beth just touches my heart............

Her words are haunting and her eyes just say it all.

I can't take Tacky right now. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. His "slick" is just too much contrast to the raw pain of Beth.


Wreck? Were you looking for this?
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I hope with all my heart that the cigar is prophetic!

Cubbee I was reading about that.  It must be very difficult for her. 

Cubbee, I did small post for Kaitlin today...
she was not forgotten.

forgot the link . . . sorry

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2008/01/kaitlin-aydell-gone-but-not-forgotten.html

Cubbee, it is hard to believe that it has been a year since Kaitlin was murdered.
I know tomorrow will be a sad milestone for you all.

I am not very optimistic about the Peter deVries revelations. However, I notice that both Joe T and RoseMarie Arnold claim that Joran "had nothing to do with the disappearance." This might be strictly true, if Paulus handled the removal. Maybe that's why the two lawyers can be so adamant.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned. I'm just catching up.

Hammer~
Great Post!!   I also will stand with "the girl"!
My heart is just so heavy & broken for Beth....Hoping & praying that this is really IT and not another roller coaster ride for Beth, Dave, & their families.

Roos~

My Landfill theory is just that ... a theory.

My theory in no way undermines the sacrificial efforts of the search currently being conducted by the crew of the Persistence.  I trust that this huge undertaking must have a solid foundation ... a foundation that implies that Natalee was taken out to sea in this particular area.

If Natalee's remains are recovered ... returned to her loving family ... returned to her country ... I will gladly concede that my theory was focused in the wrong direction.

Janet

They have to say that, they are both his DEFENSE attorneys.  That is their job.

I stand with "the girl" too.  Rob, I saw your post for Kaitlin today.  My thoughts and prayers are with those who love her.

Helen

Janet - I think we'll all have a better idea Sunday.  I know you only want the truth.

I stand with the girl; all of them. I stand with the girls that fell victim to evil, were rendered helpless and left their families and loved ones at the hand of twisted and gnarled deprivation. I think we all stand for all that is good, all that is decent, all that is pure, and we are stronger than the evil. Yes, we may have to let go of a hand that belongs to a child, but we only place it in God's hand and He will not let go. He will never let go.

I don't buy it. This case was solved the first night when Beth arrived and they went to the VDS house. I will be shocked if this reporter really has anything more than we already know.

Thanks rob, klaas , Magnolia and anyone else I may have missed. This along with Natalee is really getting to me tonight. We are having a candlelight vigil on Saturday evening and the minister will say a few words at the sight where that worthless piece of crap disposed of our sweet Kaitlin as if she were garbage....

yes! thank-you -- I'm gonna hold off just a bit until I see the show myself though.

good to see you back, rob! ::MonkeyCool::

Tommorows Awemainta Newspaper 2-1-08

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I am so sorry.

Thanks Helen, I have to believe that justice will prevail for Kaitlin and for Natalee..

Good night everyone... hopefully tomorrow will find Joran where he belongs... well for now anyway... behind bars....hell will come in due time....

I've been sitting here thinking about all the info on SM in the first months after Natalee disappeared, and I just remembered the mysterious material shreds found on those rocks.  I still am convinced those were pieces of the green & white top Natalee had on that night.  Whatever happened with that evidence? 

It went poof!!!

I wonder who called who today? Tacky to Joran or Joran to Tacky?

Probably Paulus to Tacky. I agree with Red, Tacky was off his mark tonight. I did noticed he said he walked away from the conversation today "determined to come on the show and defend his client" I'm paraphrasing because I haven't seen a transcript, but that's a far cry from saying "I walked away absolutely convinced there is nothing to this and that Joran is absolutely innocent."

He didn't have his usual rant and indignation.

All of my Lago friends who grew up in Aruba, including the boys who loved nothing more than skin diving and spearfishing, swam all of those waters with only flippers, snorkle and mask and their trusty spearguns.

They all agree that by far, the fastest and easiest and surest way to dispose of a dead body would be to run over to Boca Mahos from Noord, drive up to the edge of the cliff and toss the body out into the crashing waves over the shear drop of the undercut cliff.

Look at Boca Mahos and the boys I grew up with jumping into the sea as teenagers...

This boca, cove, if you will, MUST be searched by the Navy Seals and the Florida State University forensic divers...or they will have missed the MOST LIKELY PLACE to dump a dead body to hide it forever.

If they dive and search that boca, they will find some traces of Natalee...I am sure...very very very sure.

All of my Aruba friends who know the island as well as I do, and beter, agree...dive in Boca Mahos...and you will find something...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_26.html

I noticed that also CBB... he was not as arrogant as usual....  ::MonkeyWink::

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They exist in pictures only now, I think

No... but he was still ugly and greasy!! couldn't resist that last post before I go nitey nite....nite all !

There's a shocker!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::   And since it did go poof, I'm even more convinced is was hers.

Monkeys watch this now....


Sunday is the big carnival in Aruba so everyone is at the carnival
 
PIETER is at the TV show the world the carp story
 
and while everyone is dancing and watching the story unfold,
 
They will try to Remove the Body out of the Water.
 
Somebody must have tell to wake them up
 
The Best is that Dave comes Down and get the Body before sunday Feb 3

otherwise every work is lost foreever!

And as I have repeatedly remarked, every time I view this website, I am amazed at the obvious Hand of the Lord at work, demonstrated by the loyalty, intelligence, strength, hardwork, tenacity, courage, righteousness, and love that all of you, all of the Beth's supporters, have steadfastly demonstrated as you have solidly stood shoulder to shoulder with Beth, sometimes supporting, sometimes carrying, the memory of Natalee and Beth, while chanting "Justice For Natalee." The words are that are rattling the walls of Aruba until they shall crumble, uncovering the cover up and administering justice to the guilty.

 Maybe those walls are crumbling down as we post, maybe they are just shaking to the core, but due to the efforts of all of you, the walls are surely going to crumble, just as the walls of Jericho did, and the truth will be told.

 Why this is God's will, I don't know. It certainly is not because Natalee is white, or from Alabama, or because of her socioeconomic status, nor is it because she is a US citizen, I really don't know. But the support Beth has received is visible proof that God's will is at work, and I am certainly not going to question it.

Maybe Obama's preacher might pray on it, ask for a little personal forgiveness for attempting to interject race into the efforts of Beth's supporters, and maybe, just maybe, God might grant him enough humility and wisdom to understand the whys and  not question but to accept God's will, of which Beth's supporters are obviously the result. Maybe God will grant him the gift of tongue to then preach to the world that this is an example of how God wants us to treat each other in our neighbor's hour of need, and thus spread the practice instead of condemning the practice,the practice that is most assuredly the will of God.

Changes in mankind begin one act of kindness at a time and we get to heaven one step at a time. You all are leaving clear foot prints showing the road to heaven.

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Let's take a step back in time to November when the suspects were rearrested, Mos said he had new information that the girl was dead and there were admissions by the suspects. There was also some revelations that phone taps and cell records put the suspects back at the beach area later that night. I think D'Vries had this information a few months ago and shared it with Mos who then had the suspects rearrested. What is new here is that D'Vries has decided to go public after Mos dropped the case.

I also think we need to take a hard look at the Aru-Bay video stills which I posted in another thread. from what I can tell from the information that D'Vries is releasing she died at the beach.

It has always bothered me that DeVries uncovered the fact that one of the lawyers for Joran, (was it Carlos?), met with KJ and told her Joran was involved but that it was up to KJ to prove it. I think Carlos is obligated to tell what he knows.

That's saying exactly what it says here only this is easier to read  ::MonkeyWink::

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Exactly what date did the Beth & Greta visit happen at the Sloots, when Puke Sloot was sweating ? 

Wasn't it a couple days before PVDS was arrested?  So it would have been around 6/14 or 6/15?

PVDS was arrested on June 23, 2005.  I believe the meeting was the 21st:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

PI, I think that God uses people and events to teach us lessons.  Through this he has shown us that people from all over the world can come together with love and compassion for an 18 year old girl and a family that most of us never heard of. He has also shown us the picture of evil that exists in this world.  Why he chose this family and this precious girl we don't know but we can feel confident in the fact that Natalee is with Him and that many of us have grown closer  and more dependent on Him because of this.  He will handle the evil people who ended Natalee's life in His own time and He will comfort those who are left behind.  There will be justice whether we see it or not, but I do truly hope that we get to see what was done to this beautiful girl punished!

Congratulations.  I am glad to see you.  Great that you are home with this weather.  Snuggle up with that sweet baby.  Amazingly as long as the hours of feeding and diapering seem to be when you are doing these chores, it goes so fast and before long, it's diapers for your grandbabies and they too are precious.

I agree, she died at the beach.  She was then thrown into that bag, and put into the cement basin right across the street, until they could get her to the dunes.  Then we know what happened there, and it wasn't a boy that had been there for a year either.  From there is where I'd like to know.  Probably over the cliffs in Boca where the blue blanket/tarp was, or the dump.  When that bridge crashed on the day Joran was released, it was telling the world that evil things were going on.

The still of the "bag" found in the drainage basin exactly at the place Joran said he left Natalee (20 meters from the huts).

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Caps, if you feel confident that this is what needs to be done, PLEASE contact someone who can place surveilance at the sight or attempt a recovery.  Klaas or Red can probably help you with who to contact with the information.  I cannot think clearly after so many tears tonight.  I don't want what I've heard to be true but I don't know what to believe right now.  I worried about you today and am glad to see you are on here tonight.  Please be safe, I worry that you will be a target to be quieted and you are so needed to make everything come out for JUSTICE.  Thank you for all you have done and are still doing.  I really mean that from the heart.
TM

I have nurses training and yet I would not want to be responsible for declaring a person dead especially one having expired from and OD as respiration could just be tremendously supporessed.

So my question is, how did they know in fact Natalee was deceased before disposing of the remains?  Were there injuries so massive as to be obvious or what exactly and if so, how was that an accident?

I think we need to wait for the actual information before locking ourselves into any particular theory or line of thought.

jmho

goodnight everyone.

Casa ... I know that you were addressing your post to PI but ... I want you to know that every word touched my heart and ... reminded me there are life lessons to learn in the trials that we experience in this journey called life and ... then there are the blessings bestowed by those who cross our paths ... those who embrace/uphold us as we endure.
 
Thank you.

Janet

Goodnight TM!

If we all send prayers, good vibes, whatever each individual does of a positive spiritual nature, toward Beth and the family, it will help her I know.  Right now she needs this strength and it can be a tremendous force for helping her and all the family to cope with this finality.

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Go back and read my posts about Rene who was beheaded who disposed of Natalee and Pitbull was a part of it.  The female journalist and her camera person were probably working with Peter de Vries or had a whiff of what he knew.

Good Night Monkeys

God Bless

Janet

I agree, Anna. I also think the concerted, selfless effort that the Persistence Crew has exhibited right in the heart of this tangle of lies and tragedy, has brought a spiritual whisper of change to the progression of apathy and secrecy and cronyism. They have quietly just stood for truth and commitment to bring comfort. They have been a beacon of light in a dark place and their power is only strengthened by their oblivion of it. 

Thank you Janet for your kind words!

Monkeys look what he is saying....HE accept / recognise some of the guild but to prosecute, you need the BODY.....The Key

It movie played in Aruba allready, where is the evidence...

No BODY to Link the cupability to, No Case...only diffrent lingo this time.

 

At this point..none of Us know what happened to Natalee and I prefer to Keep the Faith and the Hope that She is in the Ocean and the Persistence is going to find Her and Bring Her home to Her Family....Sincerely PC

Posted at RU by Sunmoonstars - translated by someone at BFN:

From BFN:

De Vries on Pauw & Witteman - Translation

Jeroen Pauw (J):We have wine, so we also have Peter de Vries.

Witteman (W): Peter, you made the world news immediately, let's take a look.

-clip- Prosecutors office in Aruba is now looking into new evidence that may show how Natalee Holloway was killed and the method in which her body was disappeared.

Patrick (in Miami) what can you tell us?

Patrick: Head officer Ruben of Aruba says this new information is coming directly from Holland from the crime reporter Peter de Vries.

They believe that this information may help considerably in the solution of the mystery of exactly what happened to Natalee Holloway, how she disappeared, and ultimately if they can find her body this can lead into that direction.

-end of clip-

W: Peter, congratulations, you are already world news. The last time you were here was with the family van der Sloot we asked you if you were going to pursue this case and you were vague about that, what happened since?

Peter de Vries (P): A lot. The case is solved.

W: Tell us what you can tell.

P: Well the case is solved, this Sunday I will, in a 2 hour long broadcast at SBS, reveal how we solved the case. And what exactly happened.

W: Yes the case, that can mean much, are we talking about a murder or a disappearance? What is the case?

P: The case is the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, that is the case, and how that happened and why and who was involved in this, all that I will tell Sunday.

W: Yes, The Press Release mentioned that a hidden camera was used in a spectacular way, how do we have to imagine that?

P: I cannot say much about that either, but what I can say is that we have worked on this case for months, we have a hidden camera to capture certain things, and that seemed very important, and those images we will show Sunday.

J: Did you use these camera's in Holland or in Aruba?

P: Both.

W: Both in Aruba and Holland, it was useful both in Aruba and Holland?

P: Yes.

W: What was the moment that you felt: I have the story... on or about?

P: There have been many moments that we felt that we were really close, that it could not take much longer. But it is a specific operation, we often were afraid that it would leak, that we would do things wrong, that there would be technical problems. And yes, in your mind, you go back and forward about have you nailed it, it was a process.

J: To whom it would leak, to the person that was taped?

P: You are performing an operation, there is much dedication necessary, technicians, others involved, I cannot say to much.

J: How many people were involved?

P: About 6- 8 it was a small group, very confidential, we were afraid it would go wrong, I had to disappoint people at my redaction, could not tell much, afraid it would leak.

J: Now Aruba is part of the Dutch Antilles, isn't it if you are on a plane to Aruba everyone starts to call etc?

P: Over a week ago me and colleague Kees van der Spek were in Aruba, and we were glad we took a plane to Curacao, we took a smaller plane from there. We did not think it would remain a secret had we went to Aruba in a Boeing.

J: The people who were considered suspects, Joran and the two others, you have been here with the family van der Sloot, father and mother VDS live in Aruba, did you talk to them there?

P: No I have not seen them.

J: Did you met with Joran?

P: No, did not see him, to my knowledge he does not live on Aruba.

J: You said in Aruba...

W: Peter, the redaction of NOVA dug into things going by some sources, they tried to perform a reconstruction of what you have done, they said how you we able to have an Aruban, who met with Joran in the casino in Nijmegen, able to win his trust, he was equipped with material, Joran started to talk and confessed, do you recognize this?

P: I did not watch NOVA, who said this?

W: The NOVA reporter.

P: Well maybe he should continue then, maybe he can also solve this case.

J: Before Sunday.

W: Do you recognize the story?

P: I am not going into this, how we came to this, that is something that all will be precisely explained Sunday.

J: We have found a piece on your site, in which you are talking about a confession of Joran. This is something you and your people have dreamed of. A Conversation with Mos.

W: Is this authentic?

P: I have not been on the Internet, I have been on the phone all night.

J: This is not something that appeared suddenly, it comes from your site, the conversation with Hans Mos, is it authentic?

P: I am not going to answer that.

J: Is that a yes or a no?

P: Not sure if I am speaking Spanish?

W: But is this from you.

P: I am not going into this.

J: Peter, then it is a yes, otherwise you would have said no.

P: If you know why are you asking?

J: To learn if it is authentic or not.

P: Because?

W: Because of your denial it seems...

P: I am not denying anything, I said I was not going into this.

W: The interview with Hans Mos, is it...

P: I have talked with him a couple of times, he is the head officer and...

W: And you offered him your findings?

P: Yes we have talked this through.

W: You have presented your results to Natalee's mother, and you were so kind to offer us some material:

-clip (preview from Sunday, Beth is shown)

Beth: Look what they have done...

Look what they have done to Natalee what they have done to a country.

Look what they have done to...to...

P: To you

Beth: Look what they have done to Natalee.

-end clip-
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W: That was not an optimistic message you told the mother.

P: No.

W: Was it an emotional gathering also for you?

P: Yes of course, it had a lot of impact on me also, I am a crime investigator for 30 years, due to us some murder cases were solved, but the moment you have to give a mother such a message it affects you a lot.
And I am glad it did affect me, if not it would mean your emotions are totally cut off, it has affected me a lot.

W: You said I have solved more murder cases, that implies that we are talking about a murder here?

P: Ehm, well, yes then you make sort of a word-game out of it, let me say I have solved more criminal cases.

J: Did you talk to the mother today?

P: I have picked her up from Schiphol Airport this morning, she came to Holland per my request, and I have talked with her extensively about the case today.

W: You told her today what you had find out? Or did you tell her prior?

P: I have talked with her over the phone before, but did not tell her exactly what was going on, I told her that I had a major breakthrough in the case, and asked if she wanted to come to Holland. We had been in touch before, she has seen my previous show and followed what we were doing. She trusted me on my word and said, if you say I need to come I will come. And today we met, I informed her.

W: And she is convinced that with your findings the case is solved?

P: 100 percent.

W: You too, I saw a piece of your promo, in which you are standing on a sunny beach of Aruba:

P: This is the place where Natalee disappeared without a trace in Aruba. Almost no one believes anymore that this mystery ever will be solved. But we have the solution, we found out during a hidden camera action what happened to Natalee, and who has done this.

W: Solved, means that you are certain of your case?

P: Yes.

W: We ask this because at the end of the last show Joran asked the following question:

-clip-
Joran: If it ever will be clear what has happened in this case, and it turns out you were wrong, will you then apologize? Are you man enough to do that?

De Vries: What do you think?

Joran: I don't think so.

De Vries: No?
-end clip.

W: So these excuses do not have to come.

P: Well the thing is that after the show Joran apologized to me.

J: That was due to the wine on your jacket.

P: Yes.

J: One more question about this case, it is remarkable that you are convinced that you, probably you have shown a large part of that material of your investigation to the OM?

P: Yes.

J: And one would think the OM would then go make arrests. Could it be that from the moment that the OM was given all this info, quickly went tapping everything around Joran van der Sloot?

P: I don't know why you are mentioning this name right now.

J: Because he was to say the least, your prime suspect all this time.

P: Ok well, you would have to ask the OM what considerations they are making, I am not the spokesperson of the OM.

J: No but you are a long term crime journalist, and you know how this works out usually, on the moment no arrests are made yet, but when a certain direction is pointed into.

P: I think I understand it all.

J: But you don't want to tell per se?

P: I will do so Sunday.