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my head hurts :(

It's fine with me if Joran backs out again..we knew this would happen...we are all willing to stay the course...I can even go back to my Shango thread and speculate for a few more years.  Aruba can sink deeper and deeper...we all stand with the girl. 

didnt think we were gonna make it out of there

Posted on the front page of SM:

littlemonkey wrote:


Joran v d Sllot says it was a joke, meant to impress een older person whom he admired. His story ie now that it was very stupid, but he wanted very much to impress. He partucipated 10 minutes ago, telephonically in a Dutch news program (the same where the winw incident took place). He was at his grandmother’s place in the Netherlands.

typical joran

no need to worry

the tape will tell it all


he is jsut telling more lies

what he says in the tape will match up PERFECTLY with other things

BYE BYE JORAN and PAULUS

Blah, you crack me up  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm with ya, Lala's.  I have time. 

It's going to be tough next couple days but it has been so before and will be again. 

And I'll be right here.

I was thinking maybe you had knocked yourself in the head with the sledgehammer you have there.

ahhh yes...I see now why the haste to arrest too soon...they will buy it.

joran going down

remember KG....   

i bet KG is sweating right now

KG has already spoken

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

He probably flew home so he can sleep with his mommy  ::MonkeyWink::

From CNN:

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Aruban prosecutors said Friday that they are reopening their investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway after seeing secretly taped material from a Dutch journalist.
Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba with classmates in 2005.

 "The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation," the public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

I am not sure what reopening really means. Mos said the case was never closed, just that the three were no longer suspects.

I stand by the girl, too.

It's so nice to hear you say you have time, Peaches.

It seems to me it would take a judges order naming someone as a suspect to reopen the case.

I will continue to keep the faith.Joran is feeling the weight of this horrible crime he committed.The Lords justice does not always come the way we want it, but it does come!!Joran be prepared cause it isn't gonna be pretty.Now he's admitting to a murder he didn't commit.HAHAHA.This must be TACO speak.....Joran done did it Paulus and you can't undo the words spoken by Joran.The World will listen and judge for themselves.Definitly wouldn't want to be a part of that "Munster" family cause ya can't escape the truth.....I"m babbling my disgust at these people....


Keepthefaith

Typical isn't.  Aruba makes sure Ma and Pa know what is happeninig ahead of time to as to bring their little Sporter back in line with a cover story.  They have him this time, all they have to do is JUST DO IT for gawds sake. ::MonkeyEek::

Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:


The Deposit That Wasn't


What Was Paulus van der Sloot Really Doing at the Bank?

May 30th 2005 – Paulus van der Sloot stated he made two separate trips to the bank, for the purpose of depositing Joran’s gambling winnings from the night before.

How could Paulus have deposited Joran’s winnings from the night before?

Joran had not won any monies the previous night – he had lost.

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

MAY 29TH - JORAN WINS NO MONEY

JORAN LOSES NOT ONLY HIS SPOT IN THE TEXAS HOLD EM TOURNAMENT, BUT ALSO HIS FATHER'S POSITION

Joran Statement
June 9, 2005

On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too.

MAY 30TH JORAN WINS MONEY

ANDRE DOS SANTOS POLICE STATEMENT

Andre Statement
June 20, 2005

RADISSON HOTEL: Where Joran “won” on May 30th

I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw that "Deepak" walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately (1) one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 =, chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips

PAULUS CONTRADICTS JORAN'S OWN STORY ABOUT GAMBLING ON MAY 29TH, BY CLAIMING JORAN HAD WON MONEY

Paulus Statement
June 18, 2005

You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won 150$ and had exchanged these into Aruban Florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place.

THREE DAYS AFTER ANDRE GIVES HIS STATEMENT, PAULUS PASSES OFF ACTIVITIES FROM MAY 30TH AS FACTUAL FOR MAY 29TH AS AN EXCUSE FOR BEING AT THE BANK ON MAY 30TH

Paulus Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work. The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours. I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work.

I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank. At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the tournament.

These inaccuracies make us question the real reason Paulus was at the CMB Bank on Monday May 30th at 3:30 pm, for he certainly was not depositing any gambling winnings of Joran's.

*What, then, was the real transaction that occurred at that bank at 3:30 pm?
 
*Was a withdrawal made by Paulus?

*If it was an irrelevant transaction, why hide it from investigators?

Unfortunately Ruth Dijkhoff can't tell us what transaction she helped Paulus van der Sloot with at the bank that day, as she was dead two weeks later.

*Were any bank records subpoenaed by the Aruban prosecutor's office?


Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

And the photoshopped picture of the lying jerk with Natalee was just a joke too.

I knew it was coming.  But I don't buy it. 

This is what you say to impress older people?  What do you say to impress women? 

CYA time, Anita time to give up your big panties again.

blah...I won't bring your post over but you cracked me up and I completely agree with you!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Has anyone pointed out how stupid Joran is?

He has gotten away with this crime how many times? And then he can't help bragging about it (to someone who happens to have a hidden camera).

How many times can he mess up and have the legal system of his country come through for him?

Posted on the front page of SM:

Antoine P wrote:

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‘Confession’ was a lie
Released: February 1, 2008 23:18
Last Modified: February 1, 2008 23:41

HILVERSUM - Joran van der Sloot acknowledges that he told a friend that he had the body of Natalee Holloway disappeared, but that was a lie. He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman.

He said Friday evening in the TV show Pauw & Witteman. “I told him what he wanted to hear.” It is so stupid, so stupid, “says Van der Sloot.” What I have been told is not true, they can sort it out easily. ”

How he could prove his innocence, said Van der Sloot, he doesn’t know. The question why he has lied again (previous statements by Van der Sloot proved wrong), he had to leave unanswered.

“That I ask myself also, yes,” he told Pauw and Witteman. “You have no reason to believe me.”

According to Van der Sloot he met the “older man” to who he has done his confessions about six months ago.

“I found him a very fascinating person, I was very interested in him,” says an audible nervous Van der Sloot.

“He also did a lot of things that I really did not know, that I never would do.” What that things would have wanted he did not say.

“I just told him what he wanted to hear,” says Van der Sloot. That story boils down that he was on the beach with Natalee Holloway had sex that she became unwell and then deceased.

Then he would have called a friend, who (with a boat)came to the spot. The body of Holloway has taken away and dumped into the sea have.

“I am really been tricked” said Van der Sloot. He explained that he spoke to the man who had been setting him up, shortly before the show.

He wanted nothing more to say. Van der Sloot said he’s not angry at him.

Van der Sloot said he regret that his invented confession led to Peter R. De Vries letting the mother of Natalee travel to the Netherlands.

De Vries said he is not too bad. “he’s just doing his work. I think it will make good TV.” Van der Sloot added that Sunday evening he would look into the broadcast.

Van der Sloot said that his father has spoken with justice. This call was about the safety of his son.
———————-

(sorry for the errors, but I did my best to get it here asap. Source : Nu.nl )

ok, not that anyone cares but here is my take. Joran made a mistake and spilled some of the beans. Neverr really implicating him in the actual crime just an accident. He is caught now in this mess. Now he denies it, it was joke. Well what reasonable person implicates them selves in a crime to impress someone???????/ Simple BS. However, The powers to be in Aruba may just have had enough of this drama. Do they want this problem to go away, I damn sure think so. An example is going to be made. Does daddy have the balls to use blackmail when the sporter turns up floating in the canal? I honestly doubt it. The sloots maybe will be compensated for the loss but enough is enough. A loose cannon floating around with the ammunition that it has is a VERY big liability. Time to disable the weapon. The sloots have no control of this cannon and it must be taken out. Just my theory

Posted on Greta's blog:

UPDATE - NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION
by Greta Van Susteren
Have you seen this news in the Natalee Holloway case???? This is a story from the Associated Press:



Aruban Officials Reopen Holloway Case After Seeing Secret Tapes From Dutch Journalist Friday , February 01, 2008

Aruban prosecutors said Friday that they are reopening their investigation into the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway after seeing secretly taped material from a Dutch journalist. “The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation,” the public prosecutor’s office said in a statement. Prosecutors made no reference to the possibility of an arrest, and said they wouldn’t comment further so as not to jeopardize the investigation. Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries has promised to broadcast on Sunday a secretly taped “confession” by one of the suspects in Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance. He has not made clear what the “confession” consists of. Dutch newspapers published a partial transcript of his talks with Aruba prosecutor Hans Mos, and Mos’ office said Friday that “what appeared on the Internet seems to be a reproduction of a part of the conversation.” In the transcript, De Vries refers to a “confession” he obtained from suspect Joran van der Sloot, but doesn’t say what he allegedly admitted to. “This is very impressive,” Mos is quoted as responding in the transcript, though it was not clear what specifically he was referring to. “We have thought to ourselves that this was a very probable chain of events but until now we lacked sufficient evidence.” In another part of the transcript, the prosecutor says: “Clearly, it’s the first time that he’s confessed to somebody. This is his coming out.” Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in public leaving a bar with Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers — Deepak and Satish Kalpoe — hours before she was due to board a flight home from a school trip to Aruba. The three were re-arrested in November, but released within weeks for lack of evidence. Prosecutors then dismissed their case against them, saying they lacked evidence even to prove a crime had been committed. Authorities have said the case could be reopened if new evidence surfaces. Van der Sloot, who lived in Aruba at the time of Holloway’s disappearance, has denied any role in her disappearance, as have the Kalpoe brothers. On Thursday, Aruban prosecutors had said they were investigating new information provided by De Vries. Without providing details, the prosecutors said the new material might help them determine how Holloway died and what happened to her body. De Vries told Dutch television that he used a hidden camera in Aruba and the Netherlands to obtain images “that have proved to be very important” and that he would reveal what happened to Holloway on Sunday. Two weeks ago, during a televised interview with De Vries, Van der Sloot threw wine in the journalist’s face after he challenged his credibility

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

“That I ask myself also, yes,” he told Pauw and Witteman. “You have no reason to believe me.”

Where have we heard this before? The Chris Cuomo interview? Didn't he say, "I would not believe myself."?

Bah..Joran got caught red handed this time..Now Rudy Croes and his Evil group are in damage control trying to figure out how to cover this up again.MO

Either way De Vries releases the goods in less than 2 days for the world to see. WTH is Aruba's excuse this time?

Yes, Paulus.  I suspect people are getting tired of this crap even in Holland.

This might have been posted but I had to skip ahead to catch up with the threads. Where and when is De Vries show going to be broadcast? Thanks

Apparently as many times as he wants.

It's frustarting watching someone admit to a crime knowing the Aruban Govt. isn't going to do anything.Still would like to know who's got what on who????Why is a country allowing it's slow demise happen at the hands of Joran.What does this or any other suspect in this crime have on the powers that be????Anyone know???It's gotta be BIG....

Joran wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the ass.

I wonder how the people on Aruba feel about him now.  His joke/lie cost the island plenty of money, all night meetings, etc.  If he would have to pay for the expenses his little joke/lie costed, he may stop telling lies/jokes.

I will wait to see if it is really a joke or the joke is on him.

These inaccuracies make us question the real reason Paulus was at the CMB Bank on Monday May 30th at 3:30 pm, for he certainly was not depositing any gambling winnings of Joran's.


Makes me think that Paulus may have stopped at the bank the same time (PM) that records would have shown him there (AM) on the same date.

I bet Taco is back on the toilet again!

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Paulus jumped in the jeep and ran out to pick up Joran and Natalee.  Maybe he was planning on taking her for help and by the time he got there she was beyond help. I don't know.

 Seems I remember a story that placed Joran and Natalee in the jeep with Paulus at the 4 AM time frame near an ATM machine.  Man, you would have to pay me more than what Paulus could withdraw out of his account at that time of the morning to drive my boat out to sea and dump a body. He had to replace that cash the next day. He was at the bank...replacing the money he paid Koen...the fact that he paid him made him more culpable.  HMMMMMM. MOO

Or did he need the money to gas up the boat?

You can use a credit card for gas.  No need to go to the bank.  ATM card works just fine.  The money was a payoff.  Yes, "I picked them up at McDonald's at 4 a.m."  Who is "they?"

Not if you don't want a paper trail, if you already got gas that day.

Well, I copied this and was going to respond to it, but then Klaas posted from FREEBIRDS, and that was basically what I was going to say, but if I recall Paulus made 2 trips to the bank that day to see the "special teller" who subsequently passed away and therefore, no testimony from her in a trial.  If I further understand correctly, banks in their area are not regulated like ours are, so I think you can pretty much dink around and do anything you want to, but to the question about gas, this is ARUBA.  VALERO OIL is there and if they own boats they probably already have gas nearby.  JMHO.  I think the cash withdrawal and I SAY THERE WAS NEVER A DEPOSIT, was to pay off the man at the refinery with the incinerator and perhaps if there was no gas available, gas was thrown in as a bonus.  Gas is easily obtainable when there is a refinery in the area if you have access to the refinery.

Sure it was all a joke.  It is time for Peter to let the world see what this family has been put through by the Sloots and Aruba.  To hell with a conviction---show the world what they are.  Do they really want this boy as their spokesperson.  Time to come out of hiding Rudy and own up to what has been going on on that rock.

Joran is a true sociopath, whose behavior has been enabled by his doting parents.

Since Anita and Paulus have always made sure that Joran never had to accept responsibility for any of his actions, he assumes that's what will happen this time as well. Why not drink and party and say everything was a big joke when you're sure mommy and daddy are going to continue to call in favors for you?

Wow! This is reminiscent of days gone by when it took forever to catch up! I had to leave on page 38 of the last thread and now look where you guys are!

I'm glad though, if it means that Joran's going to finally be brought to justice!

The show will be aired on Dutch TV Sunday, I believe at 12:30pm PST (not positive) but it will be some time Sunday afternoon.  I'd bet it will be on YouTube or someplace by late Sunday.  It will be on DeVries website also either by late Sunday or early Monday.  ALSO, ABC 20/20 is doing a 90 minute special on it Monday night.

"This is his coming out".

Now there's an interesting description.

MOS SUCKS

Thanks for that information Klaas  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree BT girl but i truly believe they've used up all,or most of there favors!!The time has come VDS family...I believe somebody of importance has got to be gettin tired of the "Joran show"

Vandersloot parents are probably ready to kill Joran themselves, by now.

They are doing damage control, while he does further damage.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Kalpoe home right now....................

Thanks for clearing that up,Tyler  I was not thinking that gas was the only thing he would need money for. 

I live near the shore and when I have gone out on a boat, the first thing we do is gas it up.  That's what made me think of money for gas.  Since Koen was in the boat all day, I was thinking he would have used up his gas and would have needed more.  Where I live, they would have had to carry the gas out to the boat as there would not be any gas stations open at the dock at night.  I have never been to Aruba so I didn't realize getting gas in the middle of the night on the dock was so easy.

Thank you Klass.

I guess Paulus' little talk with the "Justice" is the reason that Joran has not been detained.  Joran is a twenty year old adult and ... Daddy is still using his connections which will free his son from taking personal responsibility for his words and actions ... to protect his son from the consequences of his words and actions.

I pray that the sacrificial efforts of the crew of the Persistence bears fruit and ... collaborates the words of Joran van der Sloot which were spoken on that tape.  The benefit of this outcome will be twofold ... justice for Natalee Holloway and ... a measure closure for her family and friend.

Janet

Just speculation, but let's think about this. Let's say Joran describes that he put Natalee's body in a garbage bag and left her at the basin. There are photos of that that will colaborate his little joke.

Let's say Joran describes putting her in a crab trap. There is a missing trap and witnesses placing him in the vicinity that will colaborate his little joke.

What Joran says on the tape will be very interesting, and IMO, the MANNER in which he says it will be damning as well. The world is going to know what is before the judge who will make decisions, this time. I don't think even Joran can wiggle enough to drop this baggage and it does get cumulative at some point. The words out of his own mouth are powerful. Add them to the circumstantials that are massive, and the sum total is that Aruba is between a rock and a Hell Hole.

Posted by Helen at RU:

Just watched the replay and to be honest, the words "it was all a joke" came from Paul&Witteman and not Joran.
Joran said he told the guy what he wanted to hear...
I found him to be really nervous and heard him say a thousand times how foolish he had been to "confess"


Then Helen also posted this when asked if the call was live or taped:

It was taped. They called his grandmother whom he's staying with. When they heard he was at home they asked if they could talk to him and he agreed

Hi BT Girl!

One would think that his sperm and egg donor *can't call them parents* would have only a finite number of owesies to call in.  I wonder if the amount of money that Jurin has cost the whole island of Aruba, has finally tipped the scales....I'm banking on it this time!

I think I hear the Karma Bus revvvvving up...

Destiny

Paulus and Joran's legal advisors have to be furious that Joran would agree to talk to a TV station who happened to call Grandma's when he was there.  This kid is nuts--just psycho.

Probably a lot of both AZLady,as well he was probably fresh of the "Bottle".

aruba has had the tape for a week....so we know paulus has heard them and/or read the transcripts....there are no secrets in the legal arena of aruba!!....We have to remember papa killer does know the law and he knows how to get around it and how to manipulate it......he orchestrated this confession today... that the killer lied...he orchestrated him being out and about last night as if he didn't have a care in the world....and he orchestrated the call to the tv show today....what is next?  guess we just have to wait and see. Wonder how the Gottenbos family is taking this.... the killer implicated their son...uuummmmmmm  and now the k2's gotta be wondering what's next for them? what's the next story? They are guilty as the killer is....they are not off the hook.....Aruba how do you like jorankiller and papakiller NOW!!!!!  Keep on protecting him.....he is killing your island...when will you stand up and take it back from him?  the WORLD is watching! 

It's typical of Joran, though. Think how many other times has he given interviews when he shouldn't have.

Yep....thinks he's the teflon kid....can slip out of any situation....probably thinks he's damn near a GOD!

Jurin....a legend in his own mind.

That has real promise for the Persistence Search!

And he is counting on everyone to remember this when he goes to trial.

Maybe the Dutch will sell Aruba to the US for a dollar!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

It has been speculated that the Peter Devries' tape which reveals a confession from Joran van der Sloot is the same taped evidence that Hans Mos had in his possession in November, 2007 when he claimed that he possessed proof that Natalee Holloway was dead.

However ... the "new" evidence of November, 2007 ... was a text nessage sent by Deepak Kalpoe ... a text message that implied that Natalee Holloway was dead.

Think about it.  In November, 2007 ... Hans Mos "new" evidence dictated the detention of  Joran, Deepak and Satish.  The Peter Deviries taped evidence apparently absolves Deepak and Satish while implicating Joran and another former Dutch suspect.

Janet

++++++++++++

Public Ministry gave erroneous information

According to attorney Wix, Deepak, Satish and Joran can no longer be investigated

Diario Aruba
12/22/2007

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Friday morning, at the offices of attorneys Ronny Wix, David Kock and Elgin Zeppenveld, a press conference was held in which the attorneys for Satish and Deepak Kalpoe reacted to what was brought forward during the last press conference by the Public Ministry related to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Atorney Wix brought up that there are various matters that were raised by the Public Ministry that are not totally correct. The lawyers continued saying that the Public Ministry, in an unusual manner, went into the details of the case on Thursday, when they mentioned among other things two facts that they considered to be new evidence in this case, which led them to the detention of the 3 suspects.

Wix said that according to the O.M., Deepak Kalpoe said that Natalee Holloway was dead, but at no time did Deepak say this. According to the lawyer, in the same period of time there was a conversation between Deepak and a friend of his in which they spoke of the Natalee case, but they also spoke about a tennis instructor that Deepak knows who died in Conchi.

In this conversation, Deepak spoke of the death of this person and not of Natalee. The conversation was in Papiamento and in the translation into Dutch, for “su morto” [his/her death], they put “haar dood” [her death], while clearly Deepak was speaking of the death of the male tennis instructor.

The Hof also realized that the O.M. took this out of context. Another of the two parts of the supposed new evidence was a conversation between Satish and a female friend of his from Suriname, where the O.M. said that the girl stated that during the conversation Satish sounded sad.

According to Wix, between the 5th of May and 6th of June 2005, which is two and a half years ago, there were 24 conversations between this girl and Satish, which were long.

This makes it difficult to remember which day this supposed conversation took place. This conversation could have also taken place before Natalee disappeared.

They interviewed the girl in June 2007 and this surely makes it difficult to remember exactly what day this conversation took place.

How could it be that if the O.M. says that the conversation was exactly on May 30? According to Wix, last month the prosecutor said that they had new evidence and that they would arrest and now he says that he doesn’t have enough evidence and that they will no longer consider them suspects.

This means that the O.M. lied a month ago or is lying now. The lawyer also said that it is not completely true what prosecutor Mos said Thursday, since at the same time that the case ends, the 3 former suspects remain suspects.

According to Wix, nothing is further from the truth. Now that the 3 boys are no longer suspects, the Public Ministry is no longer free to question the innocence of these persons.

This means that authorities cannot conduct an investigation on them. The lawyer also said that what he is unhappy with is that the chief prosecutor Mos and P.G. Jorg basically said that they will stop the case, among other things because the boys made use of their right to remain silent and that because of this the O.M. could not solve the case.

This implies that the kids know something and are not talking. This, according to Wix, is because his clients have given more than 20 statements; therefore the O.M. cannot say that they have not talked.

They have said everything that they had to say. During the last detention the former suspects told authorities that they have said everything they know and that if there was something new, they were willing to give a comment on this. Given that there wasn’t anything new, they didn’t say anything.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/12/public-ministry-gave-erroneous.html

It "tickles my innards" to think that Joran would go down by his own Big Mouth! Joran should have lots and lots of time to ponder of that!

Good afternoon everyone.  Anything new to report?

Hey Flyer, I think I've started many posts that way. ::MonkeyCool::
I especially like your point that jurin has just gotten himself in deeper.  I'm kinda of liking jurin being undetained and F-ing himself. So far only he(jurin) and hopefully DeVries are the only people able to throw him(jurin) under the bus!

Hi Third! I'm trying to catch up myself, but apparently Joran has said his confession was just a joke and he's very sorry he said it. (Surprise and Shazaam)

The few arubans not involved in this cover-up have got to be pissed. If someone was doing this to my country I'd out for blood.

and the Sloot home...but I would drown from all the sweat  ::MonkeyCool::

Are you serious?  A joke, huh?  I wonder if Osama telling those terrorists to crash into our buildings was just a joke as well...

I sincerely hope that doesn't allow him to get away with making the confession.  Aren't there intimate details included that he couldn't necessarily simply make up?

Oh, and do you kind if I give you a hug Crazybabyborg?  It's been a while...;)

I imagine Anita and Paul are both beside them self. I would so hate to be in their shoes.Plus if Paulus happens to be involved in anyway it will be so devastating for the younger boys who seem to be doing alright so far.Sometimes kids turn out bad even with good parenting. Yes I know they have tried to protect him but that is a part of parenting also.

Please no flames. Their are sometimes people who can't tell the difference between a lie and the truth and sometimes parents believe all the lies. If it were my son I would have questioned and questioned but I was fortunate enough to be able to tell when my kids were lying.

So I feel bad for all the families who have been hurt by Jorans lies.


Hey CARPE if you are reading thanks for all the youtubes.

I respect your feelings Sam.  You'll get no flames from me...

There is something that I would bet on: Joran didn't tell the whole and entire truth even to the planted Aruban man. It's intrisic to his nature, IMO, to admit anything to anyone that accepts responsibility for doing something wrong. That's why I believe that when this tape is seen and heard, it's going to be really damning to him. I believe he will come off as a very different Joran than what we've seen before in interviews. Give Greta a fan and smelling salts because her little angel is going to be wearing horns.

I believe he's going to be very callous toward Natalee, and arrogant about what he did with her body.

The world will see it. The judges will know the world has seen it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Okay, I'm a little confused about this timeline.  Let's say it is a given that Joran brought Nat to the beach, had sex with her, and she died.  Then Koen and/or Sander came with the boat, and they disposed of her.  How does the plastic bag with the body in it fit into the scenario if she was brought out to sea that night or early morning?  It really did look like the body of Na in that bag.  For somereason I thought the pics posted today were clearer than the ones I've seen posted in the past.

Posted by HannieC at RU:

Peter R.: Joran niet geloofwaardig
HILVERSUM - Peter R. de Vries zegt dat hij niet onder de indruk is van de bewering van Joran van der Sloot dat zijn opgenomen verhaal over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway een verzinsel is.

Dat meldt NOS Teletekst.

Volgens De Vries leek Jorans bewering bij Pauw & Witteman geloofwaardig omdat het duo hem geen enkele kritische vraag stelde."Kennelijk waren ze te blij dat ze hem in de uitzending hadden", aldus Teletekst.

De Vries herhaalde dat hij zondag zal bewijzen dat Van der Sloot wel degelijk bij Natalee's verdwijning betrokken was. Hij wilde verder niets zeggen,ook niet of hij de vriend heeft getraceerd die Natalee op zee zou hebben gedumpt.

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In short: Peter doesn't think Joran is credible. He just looks credible because P&W were to soft on him. "It appears they were just glad to have him in the show"
He repeated he will prove on sunday that Joran was involved in the dissapearance of Natalee, he wouldn't get into if he traced the friend that supposedly helped Joran get rid off Natalee at see.  

I think you're right, and that there are some pieces missing from the story. I would be willing to bet that there are more people involved than Joran and the Gottenbos boys.

Hugs back at you, Third!

I don't think we really know the details of what's on the tapes yet. ABC is doing a program on the DeVries show Monday night; 20/20, I think. I'm thinking about e-mailing the DeVries show and asking them to subtitle it in English, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe we could ask Jossy to come on Dana and translate for us simultaneously?

I agree CBB. I think folks will see the real Joran now. Arrogant little a**H***.


Thanks Thirdstrike for understanding me.

I agree, and BTW what you say is important.  Everyone is.

Yeah, and I'm itching to re-look at the car conversation in light of what Joran has admitted to. It does come to mind that Satish asked how the girl was and Deepak said, " Your own Father".

MF @ RU says it was John Patrick??

MF Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:43 pm   

One of the hidden recording shows when 
John Patrick and Joran had a role play in which one was a judge and one a suspect, and his words are now being used against him....

... could this be a joke? LOL.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also mf re: van der Stratten
Jan van der Straatten said tonight that he will not give any comments on the recent news in the NH case. He said he was at the lead of the team for only 5 weeks and as experiences in his life, the truth will always win.

Ummm...I'm kind of old and forgetful. Who is John Patrick?  :2redman:

From the Persistence:

XVI. Recent Development

Update: Fri 01-Feb 1815 hrs

The Persistence search team and crew are very excited about the recent developments announced yesterday, Thursday January 31st. We are currently acquiring data and have not stopped or changed our search methods in response to the announcement. We too wait with anticipation and hope the outcome is both positive and accurate for the remainder of the ongoing investigation.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Holloway and Twitty families.

(copy of press release from Prosecutor's office)

www.nholloway.blogspot.com

Once again...Deepak and Satish had the perfect opportunity to clear their names...why didn't they?  We all know the answer...there were ants in your car...there was sand...there was blood...oops...I mean chocolate.   

They also are saying that this is not new information.  It is just being brought out into the open.  I don't understand why this wasn't enough in December, but it might be now?  Back in December they said the info wasn't new either, just looked at differently.  WTH is going on with these fools?

I'm one that believes that Joran might never be held accountable for this, and Beth knows this so she is ready to go public with some of this info.  I'm assuming this was the info that they were going to let her see in December and then didn't?

Did they re-question the Kottenbos boys in December?  Why not?  Is the cover up for that family even more than the Sloots?  To have them their present they would have to implicate both families.

I'd be so pissed at Joran if I were the Kalpoes.  To me it wouldn't be enough that I was released in December.  Although I feel now they might not be guilty in the death of Natalee ( Being there when she died) I am still wondering that they must know more of what went on that evening.

I don't think I know a John Patrick...anyone else???





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Satish "How's 'the girl'?"

....
Deepak  "If they find the girl you'll get 15 years"

They know what happened.....they just don't know where she is now.

My understanding is that Beth does visit us at SM. There has been so much outpouring of emotion from us Monkeys after we saw the video snippet of her that I think I'll start a thread for her to read if she should want. Just a place for us to express our thoughts and feelings toward her at this time.

Klaas? Would it be alright to place it under "Natalee" instead of the Monkey Lounge? Could you help me by placing the video as the first post? Actually, if that's the first post, maybe you should start it? TIA

Someone jog my memory on the witness that saw Joran with the body in the water.  Who was it and where are they now?

What type of guy do you admit to this crime to impress? Someone you admire? I see, why am I not surprised? Joran, bumble, bumle, bop, bop, kaboom as your head falls upon the platter of justice? You are an embarrassment to the crime bosses, drug lords, and lackeys of Aruba. Best you go to jail before they eliminate what has become a huge problem for them, you. Hide wherever you want, even under your grandma's petticoat you little punk, but they will find you. What size neck tie do you wear Joran? Don't lie like you do about your teenie little feet and p*cker you balless pice of poop, or else your tie may just pinch your neck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

taco and jvds need to coordinate their lies.  taco, when asked what was said, replied that jvds didn't know because the recording was secret and he didn't know when he was being recorded.  now, jvds is saying he did know it was recorded, so that's why he told another lie as a joke.  taco sure was tongue-tied this afternoon, stuttered a lot. and now jvds has another lie that he was trying to impress an older man?  what the hell kind of man was he thinking would be impressed with a story about hiding a girl's body?  anyway, regardless of what he said on the tape, it will be lies and exaggerations except for the fact he was around when she died, and he participated in hiding her body.  mos, hopefully can fill in the rest of the details for him.
dennisintn

I know, kind of tacky, almost junior highish, but it certainly makes me feel better. Therapy

Pop paid the Kalpoes pretty good with the cybernet cafe, to keep their traps shut.  I guess the favors he had done in the past for them in regards to the choller, the car, the gun and the cybernet paid them off well enough until they started realizing they had nothing secure for the future, when they then decided to sue Dr. Phil.  They ought to be suing Dr. Paulus and AHATA.

Maybe the $ from Paulus was for the 2Ks to pay for their silence and not the Kottenbos.

Remember the pretty psychic who went to Aruba who "channeled" Natalee running away from Joran on the beach where Deepak had dropped them off and she was running and he assaulted her, raped her.  I think that's a bingo!

I was away from the TV this afternoon, Dennis. What show was Tacky on? TIA!

Something for a good reporter like Greta to investigate is whether or not counterfeit American dollars imported from North Korea via Venezuela to the casinos in Aruba, are what is supporting their economy in the absence of American tourists.  They can still launder the funny money and claim it was American tourists that gave it to them until the CIA and FBI get involved and figure out Oduber was friendlier to Hugo and Il Kim than Cindy Sheehan was.

OOps!! Sorry for posting int he quote!

Didn't Dompig say on television that they were never at the beach?  I think I saw that on telelvision...anyway...what about Guido...you know that psychic's sketch looked a lot like him...could he have been the one Joran called after Natalee died...or thought she died?  Would you really make your first call to daddy?

I bet the Kottenbos dad is retaining a lawyer as we post!

Well that's you first mistake...you used three words that don't fit together...good...reporter...and Greta.  What were you thinking? 

Who is this John Patrick????? Any guesses?  Is this a name we have heard??

That's a blast from the past for sure, Tyler, but yes, I do remember it now. Joran couldn't make up his mind whether Deepak or Satish picked him up at the beach, so what implications does that have if he indeed did dispose of her body from there? Did he call Paulus at that point, and Paulus picked him up or come and help? Did Joran call K2 and tell them to get rid of all evidence that Natalee had even been in the car? Maybe they didn't know of the video capturing them leaving C&Cs?

The Kalpoes have been through a lot to have done nothing wrong. What was it K2 said in the police car transcript..........."That lie was for you!"

Sorry if posted already..Latest on Natalee that I have seen..
Big story fox news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CzLN5sZI-g

Dompig is like the old KGB, he repeats the party line.  It's very easy to be taken in, just like the boy genius Strobe Talbott at the UN who divulged his soul to the KGB under the guise of helping the UN.

I remember that! A guy who was supposed to be having a fight with his wife, so he drove to the lighthouse, parked and hid while he saw Joran take a body out to sea.

sorry if this is a repost

Joran Van Der Sloot Says He Spoke of Involvement in Natalee Holloway Disappearance but Was Lying

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327705,00.html

Lots of news in Dutch here if anyone cares to check it out.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3190137/_Joran__Bekentenis_was_leugen__.html

We were told his name was Carlos Ramos but that is oddly the name we were also told belonged to the other witness, the Gardener who gave sworn testimony before a judge.

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I think he was referred to in the last thread as the frozen condom guy.

Oops, my computer froze up and I was thrown into cyberspace before I finished.

The other reason I thought about needing money for gas was because when I buy gas twice in the same day on my credit card, the credit card company calls to see if I did it or it flags my card so I cannot use it until I call.

In USA, would be Juan Ramirez, a/k/a illegal immigrant.

John Patrick
Professional Gambler
 
Click here to go to John Patrick's web site

John Patrick is unquestionably one of the most dominant forces in the world of gambling today. For 10 years, he was the host of his own national cable TV show, SO YOU WANNA BE A GAMBLER, which aired weekly on Financial News Network (FNN) and attracted a large and loyal following.  Patrick's show was also seen on Action Pay Per View, reaching over 6 million homes nationally, as well as on satellite and selected regional cable systems throughout the country. His television personality has become so pervasive that he was satirized on the Cable Network Comedy Central as well as on Saturday Night Live.

Patrick's impressive credentials include being the author of 15 successful books, seminar leader, keynote speaker and guest speaker on radio and TV. He appeared in the film Honeymoon in Vegas and in the soap opera, One Life To Live, naturally portraying a gambler each time. His infomercials are currently being shown in California, Colorado, Washington and several eastern states. Patrick is in constant demand as a keynote speaker at seminars and conventions and has appeared as a 'gambling expert' on well over 500 radio and TV shows.

Patrick has over 30 videos on casino games, sports handicapping and the Lottery. These videos, along with the books, stress Patrick's obsession with Money Management and Discipline. His favorite quote is: "90% of the people who enter a casino get ahead, yet 70% of that 90% give the money back". Patrick has strong opinions on gambling and doesn't mince words when it comes to the reasons most people lose in the casinos and at sports. "There are only two kinds of gamblers", Patrick states unequivocally: "Experts and Dopes. If you're not and Expert, you should stay away from the games."

Patrick's favorite targets are greedy players who don't stop when they're ahead. At least once during every TV show, he implores his audience to walk away from the table if they have reached their Win Goals or Loss Limits. Patrick believes that, more than anything else, Discipline is the key to success in gambling.

Patrick learned the importance of discipline in gambling the hard way. In the early 1960's in Las Vegas and on the Mississippi River boats, his losses were so great that he was virtually penniless. He'd get ahead at Poker or Sports or Craps but always give it back. To support himself, he worked as a paid 'shill' in the casino for $10 a day, and as a dishwasher on the boats for meals and $40 a week. The idea was to get a stake for the next trip to the tables.  It was during that period of time that John Patrick developed his stringent rules for Money Management and Discipline. Since that time he has never strayed from his own rules: "I don't win a lot, but more importantly, I don't lose a lot. I know what it's like to lose, because I was so good at it. It ain't a good feeling".

Patrick's quick wit and gift of gab combined with the expertise of gambling has earned him the honor of hosting Las Vegas's top Hotel in-house instructional videos. The Maxim, Aladdin, Stratosphere, Star Dust, Riviera and Four Queens, to name a few, plus he was sponsored on Cable TV by Harrahs Marina, The Claridge and Trump's Castle in Atlantic City.

Patrick claims there are four main ingredients in making a successful gambler; "I call them THE BIG FOUR, and without them, you don't got a prayer of winning consistently: BANKROLL, KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME, MONEY MANAGEMENT AND DISCIPLINE. The first two are very important...the last two are imperative!!!"

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http://campus.tv/joran.htm
 (Video in Dutch with the two in the picture)
"Joran was quiet drink"

01-02-2008 at 17:07:58
Despite the announcement of the outcome in the case of Natalee Holloway is Joran van der Sloot tonight essentially steps. Campus TV talked to the two boys who last night with Van der Sloot were shooting. Created by: Dorien Aaftink and Cyriel Heuts.

Remember what Dutch Lady told us about Joran being the darling of the gay street in NL and London.

Hi everyone.


Yes Lala's Mom Dompig said he thought they were never at the beach but went somewhere else.

Well, that John Patrick is certainly older.  But the gambling would tie in wouldn't it?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Possible........something bad definitely happened.

Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Jug and all Natalees friends..

After looking at that photo I have determined where the term "queer eye for the straight guy" originated.  MOO

Why is a statement from the Aruban Public Prosecutor's Office released prior to an investigation into the evidence?

IMO logic dictates:

1.  An investigation into new evidence.
2.  An arrest if warranted.
3.  A press release.

Instead:

1.  A press release.
2.  An investigation into new evidence.
3.  an arrest if warranted.

Janet

+++++++++

Press Release:
From The (Aruba) Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date: January 31, 2007

New evidence in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway-
The Office of the Public Prosecutor of Aruba has intensified its investigation of the case of Natalee Holloway due to recently received information. This information may shed a new light on the mode of which Natalee Holloway has died and the method by which her body disappeared.

The Public Prosecutor has lately received this information from the Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. This information may help considerably in the solution of the mystery of Natalee’s disappearance.

In cooperation with the Aruban Police Corps, the Office is currently investigating the reliability and value of this new information. It will be evaluated in relation to the results of the preceding profound research activities.  The Aruban Police Corps has continued the investigation of the case despite the formal discontinuation of the prosecution of the suspects of the day, in December 2007. Commissioned investigators are currently charged with further inquiries.

In the interest of the ongoing investigation no further information will be circulated.

Nota bene: the Office of Public Prosecutor will not give any interviews about the matter at hand at this moment, not by telephone, neither on camera.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/

2.01.2008

Peter R. de Vries solves the case of Natalee Holloway

DIARIO Aruba
02/01/2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Thursday, the Public Ministry issued a press release in which it says that it is investigating new leads which could possibly bring some clarity to the manner in which Natalee Holloway died and the way in which her body disappeared.

The release continues to say that recently, the Public Ministry received this information from Dutch crime reporter Peter. R. de Vries.

This information could help, in an important way, to be able to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the press release, together with the Aruba police corps, the Public Ministry is investigating the credibility and value of the information that has been handed over to them.

In this, the results of the in-depth investigation that has been conducted in the past are also included. At the end of the press release it says that in the interest of the investigation, the Public Ministry will not give any more information at this moment.

After the press release came out, different information related to it came out on the internet. Among other things, it came forward that the evidence that Peter de Vries gave to chief prosecutor Mos is a hidden recording on which Joran van der Sloot tells someone that he killed Natalee.

In a special program Sunday, February 3 on SBS6 of Holland, everything will be revealed by de Vries.

De Vries himself, in a short video to promote the Sunday program, said that what will be revealed is something that will shock many people and that this is the most interesting broadcast he has ever been a part of in his 30 year career.

According to information that has leaked, chief prosecutor Mos is very happy with the information, that according to him, it solves the case.

According to information, when Mos spoke to de Vries in relation to the secret recording, he said that he does not believe that Joran is lying when he says what he says.

Peter R. de Vries also got in contact with Natalee’s mom, Beth Twitty, who also will be present during the Dutch program.

De Vries, in an article, let it be known the way that he was able to conduct the secret recording operation and that it was one where he had to have a lot of patience.

Every time and with Kees van der Spek, who helped to bring everything together, there was fear that their actions could perhaps fail.

However, everything went as they had hoped and according to de Vries, the result was something that he will never forget.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/peter-r.html

For what it's worth, I asked my very close gay friend to look at this photo, and almost apologetically said that I think the black guy looks gay and was just wondering his opinion. He cracked up before he could even answer. "Duh, ya' think?" was his response. He said he'd bet all he owned on the black guy being gay and half of what he owned that the guy to the right is.

If you missed it earlier, someone said that if Joran's "big/little evil eye kept going, one side of his face was going to eat the other!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hard to tell.....I always thought there was a rave at Lorenzoes ::MonkeyConfused::


Anyway.  Hopefully we are one dat closer to the truth.

Thanks Icehawk.  I knew I wasn't dreaming this time.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

The Monkeys to Refugee: And you wonder why you have no place to call home, nor people to call friends. Ummmmmmm

2.01.2008

OM Aruba investigates ‘Joran’s confession’

Amigoe.com
01/31/2008

Part of a conversation between Peter R. de Vries and chief district attorney Hans Mos about the alleged confession of Joran van der Sloot, as could be read on the site Vkmag.com. The part of De Vries on the site was removed later. Vkmag.com got hold of a screen illustration and put it online.


WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Justice and the police in Aruba are investigating ‘new indications’ that may give more clarity on the way the American teenager Natalee Holloway had ‘died in May of 2005 and how her body was disposed off’.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) of Aruba indicated today having received ‘recent’ information from the Dutch crime-journalist Peter R. de Vries, but the OM didn’t say what the information is. The OM indicated that in the interest of the case, they won’t give any interview on this case, not over the telephone and not before the camera. But it is De Vries that is actually looking for publicity, without lifting the veil. In a press release he mentioned that he has solved the disappearance of Holloway. This got the Dutch media moving. He says that he is 100 percent sure of his case.

“He solved the case with an ingenious hidden camera-action that his program has worked for months on. It will be shown on SBS 6 this coming Sunday evening, starting at 21:30 (16:30 local time, red.).”

Sources in judicial circles told the Amigoe that the recording ‘is definitely not made in Aruba’. But in the Netherlands. The next 48 hours will determine whether there will be arrests again for example. There were emergency talks yesterday between the Justice-minister, the Prime Minister, the Chief of Police, and the OM-top.

After having seen the recordings, Hans Mos said that ‘the truth is going to be revealed’ and that he ‘can actually close the case’. All the OM in Aruba said: This information can to a great extent contribute to the mystery around the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Police and OM are currently investigating the trustworthiness and value of the information received.
Natalee Holloway’s mother Beth is in the Netherlands upon invitation of De Vries. He informed her of the breakthrough today. An emotional De Vries said before the SBS-camera today in the program Hart van Nederland that he could have told Beth what had happened exactly with her daughter. He didn’t want to say whether Joran van der Sloot had played a part in that, at least not before the broadcasting of This Sunday evening.

[translated by Getagrip]

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/om-aruba-investigates-jorans-confession.html

Thanks *******.

Still no arrest?   ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

I stand with Natalee.
I stand with the parents of Natalee.
I stand with the family and friends of Natalee.
I stand with all ya'll!

Let's turn the heat up a notch!

Indeed...thanks Magnolia.

i was back and forth between cnn and fox and working too, i don't even remember who the talking head was.  i saw him or reruns of him 2 or 3 times today.  at least his lies were different a couple of times.
dennisintn

If Deepak said the whole H. I . story was a lie..to MJ...in the beginning.....i think that means the side of the beaches there...that side all together,really......i guess soon we will know a bit more.

Nancy Grace Show coverage now. CNN Headline News.

I had to know what the shirt said. This is what i found.
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Breaking news on Fox... Nancy Grace

They just said they have asked for Joran to be re arrested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Prosecutor has requested re-arrest of Joran and want him back in Aruba within the next 24-48 hours!

Geraldo will discuss the Natalee Holloway case on  the O'Reilly Factor. Sounds like more toward the end of the show.

Source is CNN.  Go to Nancy Grace on CNN now

There is new information. I feel certain that this is simply Aruba on spin cycle.
They are worried. This is not the same information, re-analyzed, like late 2007.
In my opinion, this is brand new information, told by someone who knows it firsthand.
The sporter got one thing right -- he was outwitted at his own game.

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
Friday, 1 February 2008
Natalee Holloway Update 14: Joran returns to Pauw en Witeman, claims to have lied in confession, Peter Cuomo flying to Holland
 
Joran just claimed in the same Pauw en Witteman show that featured Peter R. De Vries yesterday and was the stage for their earlier wine-based frackas, that the confession that de Vries obtained was a lie, that he was just telling the story he thought his 'acquaintance' wanted to hear.

Joran's American lawyers have already responded to the allegations of confession saying that it was obtained by an Aruban employee of de Vries, who was handsomely rewarded for winning Joran's trust and betraying him.

RTL Boulevard reported earlier this evening that the speculation is that Joran may have just helped get rid of the body. They also spoke to an ABC producer that claims that they will see 20-25 million viewers, that Peter R. De Vries' narration of the events will be cut and replaced that ABC anchor Peter Cuomo is flying to Holland for an interview with Peter to replace some of the footage.

Apparently not..But I bet soon..They probably have to talk it over with Rudy Croes,Briesen,AHATA and the ATA..Tourism comes first everything else second..

I liked them all in the beginnning.  No clue what happened .  We seemed to be working together for Natalee's sake. 

Saying Mo has requested he be re arrested and a judge in Holland will have to approve it.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thank GOD ... I thought I was invisible!  ha.

It was an accident...Joran is sorry...no one else is involved...he panicked...Aruba will forgive him..he will not be prosecuted...everyone can go home now...case closed. Yep, that's what I thought.

Here we goo again folks!!  ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for the update!! I will not lite my cigar until PVDS is arrested.

Too funny... the talking heads on Nancy Grace show think a Hot Babe got him to talk... little do they know our Sporter goes both ways and it was probably a Hot Dude got him.

I'm trying to catch up on the reading. Forgive me if someone has asked about this later on, but I couldn't let it pass without comment. Does anyone have any idea what happened to Ruth Dijkhoff? What she died of? Anything at all about her death? Just call me suspicious, but I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.

Joss on Nancy Grace show...via phone.  He has heard it is possible that he will be sent back to Aruba within 48 hours. 

Jossy on now.  Saying it's now up to the judge in Holland within 48 hrs.

REMINDER


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I am just curious if this video actually exists.  I remember watching everything unfold the days after she went missing on GMA.  I somewhat remember a video, but I don't remember if it was in fact the real deal or if it was one they had done.  Does anybody know?

They keep talking about the "trustworthiness of the tape". DUH!!! If Joran ADMITTED to saying he confessed to a reporter today from his Granfmother's house, then HE has already authenticated the tape!

Let his mouth run and he'll hang himself by his own tongue!

Joran is losing supporters right and left ......bout time, I say. It is like...DUH, what took ya so long.

They will stop when Rudy Croes and the Aruban Govt tell them to stop. I believe PVDS said he would tell more but it would hurt too many people and I believe those people are in the Aruban Govt. They just want this to go away so it can be business as usual but Joran just cant keep his mouth shut,so it will be very interesting to see what happens next. PVDS gets arrested and he sings..MO

I hope his hot dude had a big package, a la, Deliverance and the pig nose squealed like one.

From Nancy Grace.  They said they have it on tape Joran saying the following:

He had sex with Natalee Holloway.  That she died after having sex with him and that he then dumped her body at sea with the help of a friend.

And the latest developments are this just moments ago JVS told a television station in the Netherlands that he did tell a friend privately that he was involved in Natalee Holloway's disappearance but that he was lying.

Hell, Anita has probably turned Joran and the other boys against women, seeing her wear those see-through blouses and acting like a gossipy yenta and their daddy sweating from the shrillness and pressure.

Hell!  They are in this up to their assholes!!

Yep, he confessed to the confession today!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Like Scott Peterson, he will hang himself with his arrogance and his mouth.  He thought the 2 years was up and got cocky.  You saw the photo of him after hearing this all smug.  He is a little punk AHOLE.  If I were Aruban I would make SURE he never saw the light of day.  End the insanity - throw the little shit in jail.

Damnit!  Now I gotta clean beer off of my screen!!!   lol ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yeah Gunslinger, but sooner or later even those judges are going to have to give up the ghost to save their own necks. They are already being looked by Holland.  ::MonkeyCool::

"ya shur got a purdy mouth, Urine"

Yeah, I wish they could just pursue this in Hollan's courts. Dayhiker, I'm beating a dead horse with as many times as this has been said, but I do think the point is important:

The world will see this evidence before the judges do, thanks to the way DeVries is handling this. The judges will KNOW that the world has exact knowledge of what they are making determinations on. Aruba is in a tough place if the tapes show a different Joran than what has been seen on interviews he's done. I expect an arrogant, callous, Joran telling of his involvement in her death. I think Aruba has reached saturation point and that they simply cannot continue to attempt strategies of boosting tourism while Joran continually draws attention to the island around a murder he committed and they have covered up. MOO

I spoke with Beth's Mom today and she relayed the following thoughts to me about all of you. It is Natalee's family that is proud to stand with all of you. You all have shown the world a better way to live, a better way to be. You all have shown the world how the world could be if we all stand together, helping one another in our time of need. Mostly, all of you have made a difference, replacing grief and sorrow with hope, weary legs and spirit with fresh legs and vigor, and helped make a grieving Mother, daughter, sister, wife, ex-wife, cousin, and friend strong. Thank you,thank you,thank you. I assure you that with out all of you, all of her wonderful supporters, she would not be knocking on "Justice's Door."

Yeah but you know... even a crooked judge has to draw the line somewhere!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

They can't keep saving this little shit's axx.  It is too obvious.  Starting to fall apart.

She was only 50 years old when she passed away and it looks like a sudden death considering she was just working at the bank a few weeks earlier. No idea how she died,But I have been in contact with a relative of the reporter who hung herself a year ago and her friend the cameraman and no way do they believe she killed herself. They also want answers WTH happened.

If joran only realized that his mouth is gonna give him a fate worse than any prison sentence would be.  If this is not tried in Holland, he is going to be released in aruba and found dismembered like the bouncer (or worse).  You can only cry wolf so many times!

HI everyone

Please forgive me if I have this wrong, my memory is not good and I get things mixed up.

IIRC, this info about Koen is what Dave said in his book and on TV. He wanted Koen questioned and no one would do it.

So jvds is telling the same story that Dave knew way back when..

IMO, the Persistance would not be in the waters off Aruba if there is not compelling knowledge ( I would like to say evidence but in Aruba where so many lie who knows) that Natalee was put in the water. They are there because they are convenienced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Natalee is out there, these folks are risking their lives for this search and I pray that our Heavenly Father will guide and direct them in finding Natalee.

My heart goes out to Beth, Dave, Jug, Matt, Family, Friends and all those that care about Natalee.

It is time, way past time to bring peace to this family.

I praise each and every member of SM that have worked hard to keep this case alive. Without your dedication and patience this case might have fallen by the wayside like many do. You have stayed the course and I am sure Natalee's family will forever be grateful.

I have always believed the words spoken by Beth, Dave and Jug and I always will. Nothing or no one will ever change that.

If I could reach the Kalpoe brothers I would say to them, if you have nothing to do with the crime, disappearance and coverup of Natalee, with the latest revelation from Jvds, now is the time for you to do the right thing, time for you to clear your name, time for you to speak up and tell the truth about what you know, it is time to get rid of baggage that you are carrying and will carry for the rest of your life. If you don't do this now, the world will know you are involved. Do it NOW if you have nothing to hide.

MOO

OS

And he knows how to use it:))) Isn't that a song?

Tell her "Justice may be blind, but she ain't deaf!"  Ya'll can quote me on that original line!

From the darkside!

candy, no need to rub it in. We're a disappointed lot here.

This from cajun_mali after someone reported the rearrest.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327766,00.html

Dutch Student Confirms Talk of Involvement in Holloway Disappearance but Says He Was Lying
Friday, February 01, 2008

THE HAGUE, NETHERLANDS —  Dutch student Joran van der Sloot said in a television interview Friday that he was lying when he told someone privately he was involved in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

The statement came hours after Aruban prosecutors announced they were reopening their investigation into the disappearance of the Alabama teenager after seeing secretly taped material from a Dutch journalist.

Van der Sloot was interviewed telephone by the respected Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman" following reports that crime reporter Peter R. De Vries had captured him in an apparent confession.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," said Van der Sloot, who has previously been interviewed by the program and whose voice was readily recognizable. De Vries claims to have solved the mystery of Holloway's May 2005 disappearance with the help of an undercover investigation.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he had built up a relationship with the man he spoke to, but had never fully trusted him. He did not identify the man.

It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking.

Aruban prosecutors said earlier Friday that they are reopening their investigation into Holloway's disappearance after seeing De Vries' material.

"The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation," the public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

Van der Sloot, who has lied in the past about his movements on the night Holloway disappeared during a school holiday, said he does not expect to be arrested again.

"It's easy to prove that what I said is not true, and that actually this is much ado about nothing, and so it's actually a shame that her mother has flown here and everything," he said.

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, has flown to the Netherlands ahead of Sunday's television show.

Asked by one of the presenters why they should believe him, Van der Sloot replied: "Yeah I wonder about that myself, you have no reason at all to believe me, no."

Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was last seen in public leaving a bar with Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- hours before she was due to board a flight home from a school trip to Aruba. No trace of her has ever been found.

The three were re-arrested in November, but released within weeks for lack of evidence. Prosecutors then dismissed their case against them, saying they lacked evidence even to prove a crime had been committed. Authorities have said the case could be reopened if new evidence surfaces.

Van der Sloot, who lived in Aruba at the time of Holloway's disappearance, has always denied any role in her disappearance, as have the Kalpoe brothers.

On Thursday, Aruban prosecutors had said they were investigating new information provided by De Vries. Without providing details, the prosecutors said the new material might help them determine how Holloway died and what happened to her body.

De Vries told Dutch television that he used a hidden camera in Aruba and the Netherlands to obtain images "that have proved to be very important" and that he would reveal what happened to Holloway on Sunday.

Two weeks ago, after an appearance on "Pauw & Witteman" with De Vries, Van der Sloot threw wine in the journalist's face after he challenged his credibility.

 

Janet
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Apparently not..But I bet soon..They probably have to talk it over with Rudy Croes,Briesen,AHATA and the ATA..Tourism comes first everything else second..
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mos had emergency meetings with croes and oduber yesterday that lasted into the night, if you want to believe that, i'm sure tourism was higher on the list of considerations than the murder of a little tourist girl.
dennisintn

"She died after having sex?"

I don't think any of us would be here if that was a common "after glow"............

Joran hasn't told all of it even to the Aruban plant...........he'd never admit to anything he couldn't justify in his own mind. That's exactly why he's going to come off as arrogant and callous on those tapes. Hide and watch! ( ok, where'd my little nodding smiley go? )

Thankyou PI!! We are proud to stand along side Natalee's Family..Your post will bring tears to all of us here that have never given up for many reasons. We are proud to be callled Truth seeking,Caring,Loving,Justice seeking Monkeys  ::MonkeyWink::

Time to bring the Sporter in again, lock him up, give him protection and most importantly SHUT HIM UP. ::MonkeyDance::

Great catch DayHiker!!!!!

'Yeah, that's the ticket -- I didn't trust the man so i told him I murdered her'.


They ought to lock him up for life alone for being such a dumb ass.

Apparently not..But I bet soon..They probably have to talk it over with Rudy Croes,Briesen,AHATA and the ATA..Tourism comes first everything else second..
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mos had emergency meetings with croes and oduber yesterday that lasted into the night, if you want to believe that, i'm sure tourism was higher on the list of considerations than the murder of a little tourist girl.
dennisintn
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News update!!!!

Text from hidden microphone recording meeting of croes, oduber, and mos...

oduber:  Were're screwed!  coroes!  Shave that beard!  You look like a f***ing leprocan!!! 

croes:  It's you fault you f***ing pervert!! 

mos:  OK, what would you like me to do now????

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/01/natalee-holloway-disappearance-aruba-you-have-bet-your-future-tourism-on-a-liar-named-joran-van-der-sloot/

Natalee Holloway Disappearance: Aruba, You Have Bet Your Future Tourism on a Liar Named Joran Van der Sloot



ALSO - REMEMBER

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Pretzer010108.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

LOL, right on, they need to realize the only place he can't damage the island is in prison.  ::MonkeyWink::

CNN) -- Aruba's chief public prosecutor has requested that a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case be arrested for a third time based on new evidence, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

Hans Mos expects to hear a ruling from a judge as soon as Saturday or Sunday on the request regarding Joran van der Sloot, the source said.

If the judge rules in favor of the request, van der Sloot -- who is attending college in the Netherlands -- would be brought back to Aruba for further questioning and investigation, the source said.

I have looked into each one of these deaths as well as I can and they are all suspicious,although very little information is out there on Ruth Dijkoff. The Reporters Family just wants answers but they know very little. They are simple people without the resources in Aruba to investigate this further. They are very suspicious of what happened to her. She was living a dream being a reporter for ATV and TeleAruba and would never kill herself,they are absolutely amazed that camilo her cameraman killed himself two weeks later.

Apparently not..But I bet soon..They probably have to talk it over with Rudy Croes,Briesen,AHATA and the ATA..Tourism comes first everything else second..
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mos had emergency meetings with croes and oduber yesterday that lasted into the night, if you want to believe that, i'm sure tourism was higher on the list of considerations than the murder of a little tourist girl.
dennisintn
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Thanks Dennis.

Since when did the prosecutor in an Aruban investigation have to consult the Justice Minister and the Prime Minister in regards to the suspicions that have been accumulated.  My understanding was that under Dutch law ... the prosecutor only has to convince a judge through gathered evidence that a detention is warranted.

I guess a double standard exists when the potention suspect is Joran van der Sloot.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Oh my God that was funny.  I have always thought that.  He is disgusting!!!!

the only thing true about his "confession" is that she died in his presence.  we still haven't, and won't ever, heard the total truth about what happened before she died, and what happened after she died.  studly was being studly, natalee was being the natalee her parents and friends have told us she was, including the hard-headedness, and studly lost his temper and killed her. where and who helped him bury her is anybody's guess.  but he will never tell the truth because there may still be enough to bear out the truth.  natalee's body had to disappear because an autopsy would prove that she died of crimes committed against her.
dennisintn

My prayers are with each and every one in Natalee's family.  I am proud to stand for this remarkable lady and her family.

LOL.... me too...

As soon as Joran realizes he's about to be hung out to dry here the Kalpoes will be tossed under that bus again...since we know Mos doesn't ask the questions...all Joran needs to do is keep saying it was a joke. Joran is not going down for this without the Kalpoes unless a deal has already been cut to make sure this goes down for the world to see and we will take good care of you.  After all, when it comes time to sentence him the judge will once again be a buddy of Paulus that will most likely never make him serve any time...if I were that friend that helped...well, I think I would be singing like a bird or a card...take your pick.  This is not going to end well...sorry Robots...I don't believe yet.

lol, i forgot to add that i hope they let him talk at every opportunity.  his mouth is his own worst enemy.
dennisintn

If the sex was with Joran, I am sure she died of disappointment:(

Hell!  I've got one too!  It's the only place I can grow hair!!!

Joran will be done after this interview. He has finally put the nail in his own coffin.

Aruba, let's hope, will have no choice but to prosecute him for this crime.  They have bent over to protect him, going to great lengths to do so.  They have looked like complete fools along the way. Enough is enough.  They will draw the line, feeling no sympathy for his inability to remain under the radar.  Instead, he is out and about chatting it up, seemingly too arrogant and too confident to realize the trouble his own mouth is getting him into.

Aruba will have a lot of questions to answer, as a result of this forcing of their hand. They will have no choice but to take him down.  It will make alot of their previous actions look strange and they may have some explaining to do to the rest of the world.

They had their chance very early on and, as said here a thousand times over, decided to look for ways not to solve the crime, instead of spending half the time to solve the crime.

Two things, unanswered for me at this point.

(1) John Patrick. This is the first time I have ever heard this name.

(2) Kalpoes. Involvement or lack of involvement ?? I tend to go with involvement. They would have taken the rap with Joran in hopes of being friends afterwards. They must be tied in to the disappearance.  This tape may give them the opportunity to place the blame back on to the Vandersloots, as so much effort was the reverse by the sporter.  

yeah, but he is just fugly!!!!

The entire Nancy Grace show has been and will be on this case!  This show is seen in Aruba.  An hour.  They know this isn't good.  The game is over.  Give it up.  Arrest him, throw away the key - forget about the trial - not necessary.

I hope Mos doesn't order those tapes not shown so as not to harm the investigation. ::MonkeyShocked::

Hi Calico,
There is a video  clip of j2k and Natalee in dk's honda from a survillence camera, I believe from the store called Diamond International, near c&c.

Corrections.

mos had emergency meetings with croes and oduber yesterday that lasted into the night, if you want to believe that, i'm sure tourism was higher on the list of considerations than the murder of a little tourist girl.
dennisintn
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Thanks Dennis.

Since when did the prosecutor in an Aruban investigation have to consult the Justice Minister and the Prime Minister in regards to the suspicions that have been accumulated.  My understanding was that under Dutch law ... the prosecutor only has to convince a judge through gathered evidence that a detention is warranted.

I guess a double standard exists when the potention suspect is Joran van der Sloot.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
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If I understand it correctly, the Minister of Justice rules over the prosecutor's office. Fat chance Rudy can stop this train from rolling into the station. Theoretically the courts are run from Holland, but this is Aruba where graft and corruption seeps into every pore of the government.

Janet, maybe Rudy, Nels, and the rest of those corrupt assholes who have been making bad decisions for 32 months will finally realize they need to give up the Sloots. In fact, they need to send them a bill for the half billion dollars or so they have cost the island.

Thanks so much for the reply. I hope someone can follow up and try to find out what happened to her.

Is there any place that has like a "calender" of events with the dates of when things occurred in the case? I remember the sequence of things, but no longer have any idea of the dates when things happened. Her death would have been around 6/14 if she was dead in 2 wks. Does anybody remember what was happening in the case around that time? Had Paulus and the boys been arrested by then?

I was just thinking the same thing beans....

I too am proud and honored to be here. My heart and thoughts are with the family.

woo hooo i hope he gets put behind bars for good, and by his own big mouth too.  Im back online and in my mew home-haaaaad to wait 3 weeks for the lines to come in and be set up, just got my tv on and couldnt believe my eyes when Nancy grace and greta started reporting on Joran.Cant tell you how my heart soared -lets hopw it gives the family closure.  Ive got alot of reading back to do and will look at the diario news as well. anything I should hone in on.  How is the boat searchs doing any news?

Coming up in about 8 minutes - JOSSY on Dana Pretzer - tune in now so you don't miss any of it!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

I started a thread for Beth in response to the video we have been watching of her at the DeVries show. My understanding is that she visits us sometimes, so I hope she finds her way to it. It's here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2563.new#new

Klaas? would it be possible to plave the video on the thread? Thx!

Part of FP post:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/01/natalee-holloway-disappearance-aruba-you-have-bet-your-future-tourism-on-a-liar-named-joran-van-der-sloot/

So what does a liar do who gets caught in the truth? What else, lie again. After have been caught telling the truth and bragging to what Joran thought were friends, Joran Van der Sloot is once again changing his story and saying that, get this, he was lying to his friend about his involvement in the death of Natalee Holloway.



Van der Sloot’s comments on Dutch television show “Pauw & Witteman” came after reports that a crime reporter had captured him in an apparent confession. He was reported to have been caught by a hidden cameras saying Holloway had died after having sex with him, and that he then dumped her body at sea with the help of a friend.

So how does a Joran Van der Sloot, a compulsive liar, get out of getting caught telling the truth? He tells another lie. So with months of secretly taped conversations with Joran Van der Sloot, we are now supposed to believe that Joran was lying to a buddy saying he was involved in Natalee Holloway’s death. What kind of a sick bastard and sociopath would find joy and brag about such an accomplishment? Exactly what kind of sociopath did Paul and Anita Van der Sloot raise? Who goes around telling people that they were responsible for a girls death and disappearance when they have proclaimed their innocence and false imprisonment in the matter.

So either Joran Van der Sloot was tricked into telling the truth for once in his life. Or Joran willingly and gleefully accepted involvement and responsibility in a death when he knew it to be false. One might have to ask the question, which is worse? One is criminal and the other is criminally insane.

Aruba its time to make a choice and prosecute Joran Van der Sloot.

Comments recorded from Joran's previous sexual partners:

a) I shaved my legs for this?

b) Is it in?

c) That's it?

d) Ooohh so teenie

e) Can you untie me please?

f) So I see your mother does everything with you. Tell her I want my panties back!

g) Was it good for you? What, you mean we did it?

h) Doesn't it get hard with the Kalpoe's help?

i) So you really prefer boys?

j) I thought boys had balls?

It has been a privilege and an honor to stand with this fine family.  I'm proud to be a Scared Monkey.

I see you Frijole. I think a lot of us are trying to keep up with the thread and trying to absorb all this information  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/02/01/aruba.holloway/
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Thank Klaas

I guess that Paulus will advise Joran to clam up again and ... it will just be a matter of time until he is walking the streets of Aruba and Holland again.

Janet
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Pauw & Witteman
January 11, 2008

Peter: Well what triggers me is that Joran simply undoubtedly lied about certain things, where at the same time he has no legitimate reason for that. And he hasn’t stated on that very clearly and the fact that he STILL as he was arrested the last time never spoke a word. I think that’s very awkward. And I wonder if that is something his father agrees with as a person who himself wanted to be a judge. And that in such a crucial case where a girl has disappeared and where the mother of that girl is still desperate about the whereabouts of her daughter. That you then still can keep your mouth shut whereas the investigation is aimed at getting clearity on that. And on certain points he has lied and those lies were never cleared by him.

Witt.: Mister Van der Sloot?

Paulus: I agree with Joran totally. Because Joran at that moment couldn’t do anything else. And I have advised Joran to not talk because he allready has said it all

Translation by EURobert on the front page of SM:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2522.msg328035;topicseen#msg328035

I know this is presumptuous, but would it be possible to ask Jossy to translate the DeVries show when it airs?

If Beth is present for the show, and talks, we should be able to understand part of it, right?

It was said earlier today that he is the gambler that gained Joran's confidence and
got the confession from him.  Working with DeVries would be my thought.
Joran said in the telephone interview from his grandmother's house that it
was an older person that he admired that recorded the confession.

There has been much discussion on what had happened on the case during that time. JK2 were arrested on the 9th and PVDS on the 23rd..Many interesting events and questioning of witnesses around these dates. Not sure the best place to see a time line..Maybee worldjournier..
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005

Yes, because the confession that didn't happen (cough, spit) took place on June 10th.  I think the 14th was around the time that Paulus spent the night in the slammer.  Rocks were painted on 12th/13th (arubay videos).

In fact a ton of activity was around that time.  That is when the real cover up began.

LOL!!  joran is screwed!!

As you should be:))))))))))))))))))) Only these Scared Monkeys are anything but scared, they are ferocious::)))))))))See those teeth bites in Joran's butt:) He ain't laughing now, his peeing in his britches as he lies thru his teeth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mmmmmmmmm...........all I hear is music...am I on the right link for the Dana Show?

I am sure Koen had to go purchase some 'depends' today as well.

Joran, Lit'l sporter ... don't ask for things they might come true ... I warned ya didn't I!!!

Wasn't it just a week ago or so Joran and his family were begging for this case to be prosecuted after it was closed?

They were thumbing their noses at Natalee's family.

What's Joran bitching about, isn't this what he wanted? He wanted a trial.

You asked for it and you are going to get it baby.

Funny how the lying sack of garbage wants to lie his way out of the very thing that he was in newspapers and on the airwaves asking for.

This would be the pictorial definition of a sociopath.

Posted by Glenda at RU:


Her above post was in response to this conflicting (as usual) post:

Okayyy...I hear him now. Hi Dana.

Text (from hidden microphone) of emergency meeting between croes, oduber, & mos...

oduber:  We're screwed!  croes!  Shave that beard!  You look like a f***ing leprocan!!!  

croes:  It's you fault you f***ing pervert!! You like sex with young girls !!!

mos:  OK, what would you like me to do now????

This is way too funny !!!!!!!!!!! An absolute riot !!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: :thumleft: :smt041 :smt038 You tell 'em, Red!

Dana's on!

Thank you so much PI!
It is the miracle of Natalee that got us all here and with such conviction.

We stand with the girl called Natalee.

Posted by Glenda at RU:

You are correct. The N.H. Case was never closed. Four detectives remain full time on the case. The case against JvdS which was closed in Dec 07, was reopened, the new information will be investigated.

Glenda at a party? Was it a pity party for Anita?

as my father says "Robots, you see almost everything"

and i reply  "its a gift and a curse"


nobody gets a free pass in the mess, but PAULUS is the one who i want to see
get his due. he knew all along and he chose to TORTURE Beth and Dave and everyone else........

Just keep this picture in your head "Paulus, Anita with Joe T" celebrating. 

Thanks for the info. I'm not much good at searching on the internet, but this has certainly piqued my interest as I don't remember seeing anything about the teller having died. Of course, the info wouldn't have come out until later when someone was trying to see what happened with PvdS' bank visit around the time NH vanished.
edited to add link to worldjournier

He told Dave a long time ago that he would do anything to protect his son.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327625,00.html

John Q. Kelly/Joe Tacopina
ON THE RECORD W/ GRETA
January 31, 2008

New Developments in Natalee Holloway Case
Friday, February 01, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tonight: Well, this could be it, the big development we've all been waiting for. Did someone crack the Natalee Holloway case? Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries says yes. De Vries says he solved the mystery of Natalee's disappearance through an elaborate undercover camera operation. Is this true? What did he find? So now what? Will Aruban authorities make an arrest again? Now, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during her spring break trip in Aruba in May of 2005.

And joining us live in New York is John Q. Kelly, Natalee's parents' lawyer. Good evening, John.

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE'S PARENTS: Hey, Greta. How are you?

VAN SUSTEREN: Good. So John, this is like — I mean, all of a sudden, we all started getting our Blackberrys going off and getting lots of messages from Aruba and all over. So what's the story on this undercover operation? What can you tell us tonight?

KELLY: First of all, Beth had just left me a voice-mail yesterday that she was headed over to Netherlands. She said it could be important and she'd fill me in today, when she got there. The next I heard were the press releases from the prosecutor's office. And then I actually spoke to Beth, and she indicated she had gotten over there at Peter de Vries's invitation, had viewed some videotape, listened to some audiotape, and you know, was just rather astonished at what she had seen and heard.

VAN SUSTEREN: Astonished, or like — I guess I'm not — ecstatic isn't the word to use. But I mean, does she have answers? I mean, did she convey that to you that, you know, Aha, now I know? Was it that kind of thing?

KELLY: It was a couple of things. One, she was satisfied that what she had seen and heard was authentic. And secondly, she just felt that some of her questions had been answered. and some of the information she had been looking for, she felt she had now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is this — I suppose that we don't know — I mean, we're not hearing much about it because the television show wants to save it to break it on Sunday, is that right?

KELLY: That's right. You know, just talking generally here now, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I take it you know, but you can't tell us. Is that fair?

KELLY: I know a little more detail in terms of what I've been told is on there, but we're not talking about it right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, you can tell us anything else that you can tell us before I start trying to trick you into telling us?

(LAUGHTER)

KELLY: I hate when you trick me, Greta! Just that it's someone basically making admissions in terms of what happened the night Natalee disappeared, in terms of what happened to her and then why she's disappeared, how her body was disposed of and why she hasn't been found.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, obviously, that's huge, how the body was disposed of — I mean, because the — I mean, well, that's giant. Now, let me just ask you one quick question.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: If the information (INAUDIBLE) was the information sufficiently detailed, or is the — or was the disposal such that the body could now be recovered? Because obviously, that would be giant in making out a case.

KELLY: It's my understanding from what I've heard that it would not be possible to recover the body at this time and the manner of disposal. And you know, Greta, I think it's going to be pretty simple. Seeing is believing, and this is something that's to air Sunday night. I think everybody's going to have the opportunity to see for themselves and judge for themselves. And I hate to even talk about something that's just basically going to speak for itself when it does air.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, we don't yet know — and maybe you can help us out — the circumstances surrounding it, you know, whether it's, you know, a situation where he's sort of, like, you know, cleansing his soul — you know, soul, and saying, you know, This is what happened, or whether he's sitting around, drinking beers at a party and trying to be a showoff and making stuff up. I mean (INAUDIBLE)

KELLY: I know it's not a confessional. It's admissions. It's my understanding it was a rather lengthy, for lack of a better word, sting operation that was developed over a period of months. Someone developed a certain level of trust and confidence, and ultimately, a lot of surreptitious video and audiotaping was done and a lot of alleged admissions were captured on this and are going to air Sunday night.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is this an uncut statement, or is this someone who did an undercover operation and then they sort of butted (ph) different sound bites together, cuts (INAUDIBLE) because that, of course, would be an issue, if there are any cuts in it?

KELLY: Of course. I mean, I don't know if it's going to be straight- running for, you know, 10, 15, 20 minutes period of time, or you know, if there are hours and hours and hours of audio and videotapes that were logged, and they're just going to use what they see as the most relevant, or you know, the most damning admissions or most substantive admissions. I just don't know, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you able to describe to us, you know, who is the — who was the one who gained the confidence of Joran? Was it a friend, a teacher?

KELLY: It's my understanding it was a peer, you know, someone in the same age group, someone that, you know, spent time with him and was with him over a period of time.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now our mutual favorite topic, the public prosecutor in Aruba. Have you heard anything about whether or not he has seen the tape, whether he intends to do anything with the tape?

KELLY: It's my understanding he's seen the tape and as a result of the tape, they've gone before an examining judge, an initial judge again. And you know, it's the same thing with this press release today. He sort of talks a little bit in circles, indicating that they're going to keep investigating, you know, take another look at this in light of their other, you know, evidence and make decisions down the road. So I haven't talked to him today, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, I'm just going to tease the audience with one other thing, is that John Q. Kelly is now representing the Savio, Kathleen Savio family. And there is giant news, and John's going to probably join us tomorrow night with it, but we're also going to talk a little bit more about it tonight. But it is big. It is big news. So anyway, John, I'm not going to ask you about that tonight, just tease the viewers with it. So thank you, John.

KELLY: See you, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: So this breaking news must be rattling one person. At least, that person rattled tonight is probably Joran Van Der Sloot, or is he rattled? Van Der Sloot has been arrested more than once in connection to Holloway's disappearance.

Joran Van Der Sloot's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us live in New York. Joe, I know you're going to say that your client is not rattled, but I — you know, if someone said, I have a tape of you, even if I hadn't done anything wrong, I'd be rattled.

JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY: Well, you know, maybe - - I'm sure — you know, rattled — he's been arrested twice, detained without charges and subsequently released. So you know, I'm sure there is a sense of being concerned that this is going to happen again, Greta. But you know, I think the prosecutor in Aruba should concentrate more on doing an investigation instead of giving these ridiculous press releases that say much to do about nothing.

You know, they have new evidence maybe — maybe, I have it in front of me — that may impact the investigation, that may have some value, but we can't tell you what you it is.

Put this down. Stop writing press releases and do an investigation. Let's see what happens on Sunday. What I will tell you is this. There is nothing that could come out of this episode on Sunday that's going to convince me, my investigators or anyone with intimate knowledge of this case that Joran had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, stop for a second. Now, you know that I've spent time with your client.

TACOPINA: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: I have said in the past, after spending time with him, that I am, quote, "inclined to believe him."

TACOPINA: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: I didn't say that I was 100 percent because I figure he could have lied to me...

(CROSSTALK)

TACOPINA: Like, 99, you said, I think.

VAN SUSTEREN: Yes. I mean, I was inclined to believe him. However, if there is a tape in which he gives details that only the killer could know and that could be corroborated with any sort of physical evidence, that it wasn't sort of, you know, something fanciful, I'll tell you one thing, my "inclined to believe" would be quickly lifted because...

TACOPINA: Greta...

VAN SUSTEREN: ... you know, that tape is — could be huge.

TACOPINA: Oh, it could be huge. And we're talk in these hypothetical sentences. But remember this. You know, this prosecutor — and I don't know if you know this, but this prosecutor, Greta, had this tape over a week ago, OK? This didn't just happen today. The reason this prosecutor came out with a press release today is because De Vries, or whatever his name is, put this on his Web site that he was doing a show on Sunday, so...

VAN SUSTEREN: And we started calling.

TACOPINA: Right And today the prosecutors released — if you read the wording of his press release, he was very careful to say they are not sure of the value of this. Now, if they had this tape for a week and they're still today not sure of the value, let's not hold our breath. We've been there before. We've done that. And before we get too exercised here, let's let it play — you know, play the part of being investigated. Let the tape come out, and let's see what it says.

Now, again, there's context and things that are maybe out of context. And I think before — you know, and I've spoken Joran. I've spoken to his parents tonight. They've spoken to Hans Mos. And there is no concern that this is going to lead to a revelation that's going to inculpate Joran Van Der Sloot. So that's not the issue.

VAN SUSTEREN: And have you spoken to Joran?

TACOPINA: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. And did you say, Hey, Joran, guess what? I just heard there's a tape of you?

TACOPINA: You know, we had a conversation, Greta, but I...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And — and...

TACOPINA: ... as a former attorney, I'm sure you know that attorney- client privilege thing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Oh, come on. I mean — I mean, there is nothing — there's nothing privileged...

TACOPINA: The confidence has not been shaken.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... about what you say. There's nothing privileged, what you say to him. It's what he says. Did you tell him, Hey, Joran, guess what...

TACOPINA: Oh, really?

VAN SUSTEREN: ... there's a tape?

TACOPINA: Thanks, counselor. No, I'm not going to go into my conversation with the client. What I will tell you is this. I walk out of that conversation and tell you that I'm as determined as ever to stand here and tell you that he had nothing to do with the disappearance. There's nothing...

VAN SUSTEREN: You know what, Joe? Joe, I'd — I'd say the same thing. I mean, I know the...

(CROSSTALK)

TACOPINA: You know, Greta...

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: I'm asking you — I'm asking you (INAUDIBLE)

TACOPINA: I wouldn't say the same thing. I wouldn't be here tonight if I didn't believe that. I wouldn't say the same thing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I — I would.

TACOPINA: I wouldn't be here if I didn't...

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you kidding?

TACOPINA: Well...

VAN SUSTEREN: A good lawyer should be able to defend his client. What I'm asking you is, you know, what does this tape say? What are the circumstances under which the tape was made? Those are — you know, that's the important part, and whether or not it can be corroborated by any physical evidence.

TACOPINA: That's exactly the key. And the prosecutors had this tape for a week, and they are not sure that this has any value to their investigation. They have not sought permission to rearrest Joran or anything like that. So all I'd say, Greta, is I certainly haven't heard it. I don't know, and I'm not going to sit here and speculate, like — you know, about what the value of this tape is. Let's see what happens. I'll be here on Monday, if you need me, and we'll...

VAN SUSTEREN: Good (INAUDIBLE)

TACOPINA: ... chat a little bit more.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the fact that he hasn't made an arrest can cut either way. Either, one, he's learned his lesson that maybe he ought to investigate first...

TACOPINA: Oh, there's a good idea.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... not like what happened in December, or it means that there's absolutely nothing there. I mean, those are the two choices.

TACOPINA: That's it.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. See you Monday, Joe.

TACOPINA: See you.

Yes, and he is a parent himself and chose to let Beth and Dave live in a hell that he and his son made for them....
He not only sealed the fate of his soul, but also the fate of his sons soul as well IMO

Hi Monkeys... great news! ::MonkeyDance::

I am just hoping that this time they do the right thing... I am afraid to hope that MOS can actually overrule  the endless hiding of the aruban gov't.

::MonkeyCool::"RobotsTheLazer"

I wasn't sure this had been posted.  Forgive me if this is a duplicate.

XVI. Recent Development
 
Update: Fri 01-Feb 1815 hrs

The Persistence search team and crew are very excited about the recent developments announced yesterday, Thursday January 31st. We are currently acquiring data and have not stopped or changed our search methods in response to the announcement. We too wait with anticipation and hope the outcome is both positive and accurate for the remainder of the ongoing investigation.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Holloway and Twitty families.

Update from Persistence:

XVI. Recent Development

Update: Fri 01-Feb 1815 hrs

The Persistence search team and crew are very excited about the recent developments announced yesterday, Thursday January 31st. We are currently acquiring data and have not stopped or changed our search methods in response to the announcement. We too wait with anticipation and hope the outcome is both positive and accurate for the remainder of the ongoing investigation.

Our hearts and prayers are with the Holloway and Twitty families.

SRC:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

AZSunny, lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck is on the ball as usual   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

and if that is the case does that make you a wrecking ball ??


ok, so i wont make it on the road as a comedian, i know i know  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Yeah I thought it was a song too and I believe it is part of a Korn song that was done with Fred Durst.

The sad thing is ... Paulus is not protecting Joran ... Paulus is destroying his son.  Paulus has a twisting definition of love.

Joran has yet to learn that there are moral and legal boundaries established in a civilized society for his benefit and the benefit of other.  Joran has yet to learn that he has to take personal responsibility for the outcomes if he chooses to disregard those boundaries.

Considering that Joran has not be taught and ... therefore has not learned ... these important life lessons ... other "Natalees" will continue to be at risk.

Janet

Excerpt from Greta's show last night: Tacky speaking:

TACOPINA: Thanks, counselor. No, I'm not going to go into my conversation with the client. What I will tell you is this. I walk out of that conversation and tell you that I'm as determined as ever to stand here and tell you that he had nothing to do with the disappearance. There's nothing...

VAN SUSTEREN: You know what, Joe? Joe, I'd — I'd say the same thing. I mean, I know the


I know it's subtle at first glance, but I thought it was significant that Tacky did not say he was as CONVINCED AS EVER of Joran's innocence. He said he was determined to stand and tell Greta he was innocent. That was a real contrast to his usual rant.

totally agree  ::MonkeyCool::

Posted on the front page of SM:

hoepelman wrote:


Joran felt free to speak about what happened, because the case was closed and the probability of it being reopened with still no body and no forensics were minimal…until the cameras and microphones caught him.

I can’t wait to see the show on Monday and I can’t wait to hear who the friend was. Was it Gottenbos? Was it Croes?

Too bad for Ingrid de Maaijer, JUlia Renfro and their Blame-Alabama project…I see both Amigoe and Aruba Today have the news of the confessions in their front page. It must taste like crap to be forced to publish these developments.

I wonder if they are going to sue the mediums for feeding them bull crap visions and interventions…they should, because Castillo and Young should have forseen that Joran was about to fall into a trap. He could have been alerted by the psychics if they had done they job right!!!!


Feb 1, 10:20 PM

I once wanted to be a stand-up comedian ..... I didn't have the legs for it. :smt047

Heya Monkeys and Monkeyettes!!!! What's shaking?? Looks to be a lot these days!!!

i wanted to be a shoe repair person, i didnt have the SOUL for it
 :smt081

Oh, pleeeeeeeazzzzzzzz! What college is that? the college of hard knocks? Do they have home-school colleges there? When is he ever in one place longer than a week!

Thanks Klaas for adding the video! New thread to post messages to Beth:

Sentiment to Beth/DeVries Video:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2563.0

Hey Monkeys!! Does anyone remember me?  I'll admit that the wind was taken from my sails in December over the case being closed.  I have followed you guys about once a week but stopped posting.  The funny thing is I picked up Beth's book 3 days ago and started reading. This family has been to hell and back several times.  I hope they really have something this time!!

PS  I need a new avi.  Can anyone help me?

Kalpoes can come to USA AS POLITICAL REFUGEES if they go to FBI and state their case.  Of course, that might mean dropping the law suit against Dr. Phil, or not, not sure about that part.  But they can come here as political refugees if the Paulus and the sonofaditch start this in collusion with AHATA and the laundering trafficker Rudy Croes.

I am thinking they need to arrest Joran's friend first and have a heart to heart with him first...then confront Joran with details.  Keep in mind guys, this friend of Joran's may have given a statement, but if he did help Joran, then he lied as a witness not a suspect.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/08/confession-june-10-2005.html
THE CONFESSION JUNE 10, 2005
 

Red: Wasn't it just a week ago or so Joran and his family were begging for this case to be prosecuted after it was closed?


Just like Grandmaw always said, "Be careful what you wish for." ::MonkeyHaHa::

The Sportster all ways get what he wants  ::MonkeyDance:: Only this time he is also getting what he needs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Spank that ass Peter, Spank it like his Daddy should have spanked it years ago.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::Make him cry!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course we remember you, crazymom  :smt039 :smt045  CBB made me a new avi for Valentine's Day, but I haven't wanted to change out, because I will miss my little dear... :smt081

I love these recent developments.  Bring Joran back into custody.  Again.  As many times as it takes!

Hey crazymom! Of course I remember you. Not to worry , I have been following once or twice a week myself and only recently got myself back on-line and able to post again! Nice to see you.... as for the avi... I surely cant help LOL... ask klaas or cbb

Hi Atlmetroguy...

So much happening! welcome back!

Hi JodyO,
IIRC Ruth died on June 18, j2k arrested June 9, steve croes arrested June 17, pvds arrested June 23. And Renee vH was beheaded around June 18-24.

You've already got one waiting for you! Click the link in my signature line!  ::MonkeyWink::

Hey Muffybee.  I am tired of hearing Joran whine.  At least his family gets to talk and see him!

Nice to see you Crazymom and of course we remember you. 

If you go to the lounge CBB can make you one for valentines day.

i think Freddy SQUEEEEEEEEEEELLLEED like a pig on Joran.......

we'll soon see.

Keep the faith.

Love and hugs to Mr. and Mrs Red, KLASS, and all de monkeys ::MonkeyDance::

The sad thing is ... Paulus is not protecting Joran ... Paulus is destroying his son.  Paulus has a twisting definition of love.

Joran has yet to learn that there are moral and legal boundaries established in a civilized society for his benefit and the benefit of other.  Joran has yet to learn that he has to take personal responsibility for the outcomes if he chooses to disregard those boundaries.

Considering that Joran has not be taught and ... therefore has not learned ... these important life lessons ... other "Natalees" will continue to be at risk.

Janet
[/quote]


Well said, spoken like a true mother who knows the the difference between raising their children or letting their children raise them. Joran rules that roost.

I hear he is about to enroll in the school of hard knocks:)

Looks like Joran has opened his mouth and inserted his foot once again.  I wonder if it was the size 10 or the size 14 this time?!

I just knew you monkeys would take care of me!! It is good to be back with you guys!

I think I will slip into something more comfortable!!!

No my machine freezes up then I have to reboot and it takes so long to sign back on.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Looks like the 14 this time, Muffy!

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Hey AZ...Thanks!!! I have been following from afar; just don't always have time to log in...although I did see this today while lurking and I feel the same way:

I stand with the Girl!!!!

And our hearts and prayers are with you all. Good things have been happening to Beth every since the Persitence steamed into the picture.

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Hey there Dayhiker!!! I am HOME!!! Wooohooooo

Small bit of irrelevant trivia in 2007 I flew 175,000 nautical miles; stayed in hotels 300+ nights and achieved lifetime MillionMiler status on Delta Airlines....wherwwwwwwwwww

Hey metro! I am proud to stand with the girl , along with some of the most wonderful, caring people anyone would be proud to call their friends.....

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AMEN Cubbee....Amen!!!

I believe he is attending the Dutch "Bartending Institute" and is acing all his courses.  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyCool::

Not sure if this has been posted:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/02/01/aruba.holloway/

Source: Prosecutor seeks arrest in Holloway case


(CNN) -- Aruba's chief public prosecutor has requested that a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case be arrested for a third time based on new evidence, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

Hans Mos expects to hear a ruling from a judge as soon as Saturday or Sunday on the request regarding Joran van der Sloot, the source said.

If the judge rules in favor of the request, van der Sloot -- who is attending college in the Netherlands -- would be brought back to Aruba for further questioning and investigation, the source said.

There was no request for the rearrest of brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had previously been named as suspects in the investigation.

Earlier Friday, Mos' office announced prosecutors were reopening their probe into Holloway's vanishing after seeing tapes recorded by Dutch journalist Peter R. de Vries, The Associated Press reported.

"The recordings made available to the Public Prosecutor have given the Public Prosecutor a reason to reopen the investigation," the office said, according to the AP.

Mos' office said Thursday it had "intensified" its investigation of the Holloway case because of the information from de Vries.

For his part, de Vries was promoting what he called "the most revealing report I've ever made," according to a translation of the video, posted on the Web site YouTube.

De Vries said that in an undercover camera operation, "we've found what became of Natalee and who's responsible." The report is scheduled to be broadcast Sunday on Dutch television.

(snipped)

Ah to be young again, LOL! Better you than me, but that's why you make the big bucks.  ::MonkeyWink::

Would someone please post the info on this guy that is poker player that Joran supposedly confessed to?   I can't seem to find that info.  TIA

NM


TY for timeline.....
not sure what to make of it....
and every bit of info here has some relevance
all the best to you

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Heh..heh..I don't know about young!! I'm 44 and one heart attack in :) I'm a bit over minimum wage the last time I checked!! Wooohooo...

Hopefully he will be studying Greek Love For and With Men in Aruba soon, learning it is better to given than receive, the hard way ::MonkeyWink::

Uuuuhhhhh something has changed.  How do I change my avi?

we know you crazy mom

dont you worry we know you  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Or possibly KIA University! ::MonkeyDance::

HEHEHEHE...... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't speak Dutch but Joran sounds like he knows he messed up big this time. He sounds scared.IMO He has no one to blame but himself for being a total idiot and being caught this way  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::
Joran today on Pauw and Witteman(Telephone Interview)
It is in Dutch

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40685/87143162/joran_hoaxed_peter_r._de_vries.html

Hey FOM, always great to see you. say Hi to Mickey. And don't stay in that hot tub too long!

I am sure he is no virgin. He just needs to relax, loosen up, and instead of fighting it, just enjoy it.  Take it for Natalee big boy, show her your the man ::MonkeyCool::

Yes. Joel Brodsky dirt bag just over.

It is like the early days. Watching tv with the Monkeys, and it is nice now to listen to Dana with the Monkeys.

Greter...on Fox now...don't ask me to transcribe...I'm 3 scotches in...lol...

Grunta huh, Beth, the first time, shame on her, the second time, shame on you. She back stabbed you twice now, the second time, she looked in the camera and basically said, yes, I said that and I meant it now more than before.  I believe him, NOT BETH.

Thank you to whomever helped me change clothes ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yup .... sounds like he was fixin to cry...... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Boy, your arms must be tired. ba dump dump!
great to see you.

Maybe JQK said the body is not retrievable because Joran didn't mention a crab trap, and if the body was not contained, it would be gone?

Thank you, Dana.  I enjoyed your program.   ::MonkeyDance::  I was able to pick it up after re-installing my Media Player  ::MonkeyEek::  I am a political junkey as well as a munkey junkey so I enjoyed it immensely.  Thank you VERY much for all that you do.  I will definitely pick up the book.  I would like to say it would have been wonderful to have Condi running but I feel that the GOP has been high-jacked by the insiders and Condi is an outsider.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Actually I have calluses on my ass from sitting for so long...lol....

"Not retrievable at this time.."  CBB, it could mean exactly what you say as that was what I contemplated, but I rather think it just means it is going to be or has been retrieved, but we cannot talk about that at this moment, in either case. Incidentally, are you all watching Greta interview her favorite sporter tonight?

LOL, Greta just played a clip of him lying to her. Does she know how dumb that makes her look?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hans Mos expects to hear a ruling from a judge as soon as Saturday or Sunday on the request regarding Joran van der Sloot, the source said.
But so what ?
They always have to let him go.
Lay some charges this time. This bringing him in is just a what ? Waste of time !
Arrest someone else and gt them to give info on Joran. Info that can be substantiated to get the case to court. He gave so many different stories, what can they do, well, this week, we like this particular PV ?
He will keep silent or tell more lies, they can't just wait for him to hang himself even more.
Granted, this is exciting, but Barnet Fife Mos neds to do the job.

Hi,Sandy, I think we are mushrooms about the search but I think that is a good thing.  Some of our loose lips might sink the ship.  ::MonkeyWink::

Yeh,I thought so also in the beginning part. They gave him chance after chance to never be prosecuted and now messed up big time again..He deserves 3 monkeywaas for being such a stupid idiot. ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is kinda catchy..From a dutch poster  ::MonkeyWink::
Joran in prison, olé olé olé olé
Caano 02-02-08 @ 01:25

Dana, Thank you for another great show. It is always great to hear from Jossy and I unexpectedly found Mary Brown's book on Condi very interesting and will check it out at the book store. 

he absolutely sounds like he is about to start crying and he sounds horrible

wimpish


KILLER IS STILL ON THE LOOSE

Greta's going to be blown away by what she hears and sees on the tape, or at least that's my prediction. I WISH it were in English!!!

 hi tylergal
its good to be back home with yall

I just have to ask...

Is Bernie Grimm on On The Record just about the biggest dumb ass in the world???

What a putz X10!!!!!!

Well his face had shown "tearfulness" June 10, 2005 at the time of his FIRST confession also.  Crying is his sympathy card when the lies are not enough.  It worked before.

LOL.... Old Ted ain't too far behind him...

Well if the "friend" with the boat collaborates Joran's little joke, then what, Greta? What about the MOUNTAIN of lies and circumstantial evidence capped off with his OWN words that he HID her body??

My blood pressure is getting up watching this!!!!

Monday night ABC will be doing a special on it.  I'm sure it will be in English  ::MonkeyWink::

Dear God, I think Greta still does not want to believe the sporter is guilty!!JMO

When that judge Rick Smid or Smit had the interview in the Aruban paper defending
himself for his decisions, didn't he say that it would take a confession from Joran
to convict him?

From Greta:

Jim Hammer said he doesn't believe anything from Joran.  He said Joran confessed that he was there when she died not that he murdered her.

Greta is laughing at Joe Tacopina  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ted Williams said he hopes the Aruban Authorities will be able to corroborate the tape.

They are all basically saying they all need to hear the tape to validate the contents.

Jeannie Pirro said who is the friend.  If it is not the Kalpoe Brothers who is the friend.

The job of the prosecutor tonight is that he's got to get corroboration.

Thank goodness!  I was beginning to think I was the only one.  I don't post as often as most of the monkeys, but I read everyone of them.

Thanks San!

I don't know criminal law in Aruba or anywhere else, but remember Monkeys, in spite of Tacopina's claims, ALE has something on the Sloots.  Not enough to go to trial, but something.  He was a suspect for 2-1/2 years, the search warrant last spring, the Dutch interrogators telling Beth about Natalee not waking up, etc.  We don't know what they have, only it's not a smoking gun.  If this latest confession can be corroborated by what they already have or can find now, Joran is toast and this ongoing fraud will end. 

So....daddy is talking to people about poor Joran's safety and Joran is staying with Grandma

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wish it were in English too.  Now any words or phrases that could be considered suspect are going to be considered differences in translation. 

She really pizzd me off.  She still wants to believe Joran is just an innocent kid.  BS!

Klaas, could you post that link again for Beth's video to post our comments?  Thanks.

Would that be 'whine'?

He needs one of those foam rubber cheese rounds stuck on his head, like fans wear to games in Wisconsin.  Then he can have some CHEESE with his WHINE.

You know I'll be pretty honest in saying I'm pretty open minded....or as some who know me well say simpleminded...what I cannot figure out is what the hell (besides T.V. appearances) is Joe Taco trying to accomplish? Joe comes off as a slick big city scum-bag lawyer (no offense to any honorable lawyers who may be reading) with no credibility so how does all this affiliation with JVDS help him...

I don't get it....

Truthseeker looks quite dapper in his Valentine duds.  I think even Stacy and Clinton would approve. 

I just finish watch BVN in Holland. and He called in and said it is a lied. The person keep asking him question and he just give the person a bunch of lie.

One of the Prosecutes that was on BVN said that this is just wave of BS...

he said one boat and one person...Who is this person?... where is the boat....

He said also, even if we have this boat or the person, if it is a lie than it is all over again.

The prosecuter on the news state it clearly that his is all hearsay and no fact and no body.  They will not arrest him...

2.5 has gone and now you are going to look for the boat owner and the person...that can take a lot of year and it is a way I think to buy Time so that the Court can find another fix to save the Court House Self.

This is all Dutch BS to trying to buy time. Remember he nows the cover up and it work and he knows that if he sing, the whole bobalo will come down.

but like I said...when he lies in an live show and the body appears as a suprise, he will poop in his pants. Life sentence will be his END

Guess he charmed her..... :puker:

He was supposed to quash the negative comments about the Sloots.  If you recall, Anita VDS told Kimberly that Beth and gone too far in her statements about Joran and Anita was considering pursuing it.   IMO he was initially trying to intimidate people into not talking about Joran as though he was a sociopath rapist murderer.  People were sending posts to him that were negative about the sociopath rapist murderer. 

Uh, thanks!  But is should be in 'her' valentine duds.    ::MonkeyWink::

Marco@RU
translation Joran's interview on pauw & witteman

question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession:

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it's a story
to someone I have know for a while.

question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

quistion: what did you tell him:

Joran: Yes, well everyone will see it this sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing, and it's kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we'll see it all.

question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything.

question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that's what I said.

question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

question: do you think you will be arrested again?

Joran: No, I don't think so.
Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

quistion: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

quiestion: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don't know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he's an older man, I met him, and we've met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

question: example?

Joran: I don't want to give an example, I don't want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me
(loose translation)

question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all.
I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now.
I don't know what the OM is thinking.
I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?
Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.

question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it's very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it's true or not.

question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don't know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that's not possible
(Joran talks in half sentences here)
No, I, it's just been very stupid.

question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.

question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don't know, I think for myself I don't want to react, I'm pretty sober about it, but we'll see.

We'll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.

Tacopina on 20/20 ABC TV now.

Beth, I pray that you are right, I pray that these answers will ring true and hold fast, though I wish this was a nightmare from which we all could awake. I want you to know my prayers are with you, even though I know you are walking with the Hand of God and the spirit of Natalee is snuggling with you warmly in your bed. Natalee will live forever in our hearts and no one can ever take that from you or us.

We love you and you know that all you have to do is beckon and we will be there if you need us. You ran this show, and I think you did a damn good job!!!!!!!!! I am proud of you.

However, sleep good, there is still work to do.

Oops.  It was the bow tie.  Sorry.  But you look quite beautiful.   ::MonkeyWink::

Here you go

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2563.0

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

Now that sounds like it could be that gambler and who else would Joran look up to more than a successful gambling pro?

Tacopina is talking about murdered college student in Italy.

Now, remember Scientologists do believe in "survival of the fittest."

Yes, she got to me, too.  She added that when things are translated from Dutch to English (re:the show on Sunday)....statements are not the same...WELL, don't we know that, already?   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

Greta plays both sides of the fence...and as for her Taco comments...she half laughed and half tried to make it seem like she was sympathetic....it was a crap segment, imo.

Thank you marco

Hi Noly,
Really! but I guess the vanderslops know all about preditors. maybe one of the important people they don't want to hurt in telling what they know will hurt them.  Never mind that they hurt and killed Natalee and are tormenting her loved ones.
Guess his grandmom is on her own!

Also, the complete phone call with English subtitles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.


Bingo! Welcome to the real world!

"Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything. "

So they tell him to say nothing and he gives Pauw and Witteman an interview.  Dumb trashy putz. 

Joran just got played by a real Poker Player ::MonkeyLaugh::

This is a beautiful post.  Beth has inspired a lot of people.  Thanks for putting this out here at this particular time.

Anita and Paulus know he stuck a size 14 in his mouth.  They are trying damage control!

LOL.  My bad.  I shouldn't have chosen a monkey with a bow tie, but I thought that lil guy was soo cute.

PI, that is such a heartfelt sentiment, and so well expressed! You should post that here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2563.0

I do hope Beth finds her way to this thread just for her, and I do hope there are lots of monkeys who will participate in letting her know how much we hold her in our prayers, hearts, and high regard.

Joran says that he only just met the guy he says helped him dispose of Natalees body.... can't wait to find out who the guy is..... the monkeys will most probably know if he knew him or not..... we know more than he thinks we do....

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045