Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

 ::MonkeyCool::

Greta said she was reading one post on her blog and the poster says:  I've smoked marijuana several times and it's never made me confess to murder.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: 

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that was the guy who was on Larry King yesterday? (i stopped watching Greta after Jossy Mansur)
classic mafia guy. glad Godfather R. Freeze was present too.

What am I missing?  The cage is really rather empty tonight. ::MonkeyNoNo::

OT, but on Greta

Paris recieves Harvard Lampoon's Woman of the Year?  Part of me thinks, WTF?  Or is she really growing up and moving on to being more serious public person. 

Sowwwwwy,,,  I digress..

So Paulus is on the hospital committee and...

The PRISON COMMITTEE....what a surprise...guess he knows "the boy" that provides the phones....

 ::MonkeyRoll::

You rascal!  ::MonkeyCool::

I love it!  Nancy just asked some caller if "he had a big fat doobie"?   ::MonkeyHaHa::
I missed exactly what he said, but he must have been trying to make an excuse for Joran or something.

OT but I'm thinking the same thing, Dihannah

I've noticed that too.  People are posting in spurts tonight.  At one point, I thought I was totally alone, even though there were quite a few people in here....  Strange.....

The Arubans are not going to convict Joran but he and Aruba will not get away with this.

IMO your first response was correct.  WTF???   ::MonkeyWink::

He's working on redecorating, getting softer beds and pillows, and installing wireless internet for all "clients."

Friday Finals: Weekly Winners and Losers
Friday, February 08, 2008

By John Gibson

 As always it's Friday Finals — the big list of winners and losers of the week as chosen by me and Heather and the staff.

First the losers:

You have to hand it to the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams. On Thursday he said the Brits had to accept Sharia law — which is law based on the Koran. On Friday his own bishops are calling for his resignation.

Speaking of which, the other big loser is the Saudis. Their Sharia law police locked up an American worker in Saudi Arabia whose offense was sitting at the same table as a male co-worker at Starbucks.

The Portuguese police are huge losers. They said they had better things to do than continue the search for little Madeleine McCann.

And the biggest loser: Joran van der Sloot. When getting stoned, don't confess crimes on tape like letting Natalee Holloway die and dumping her body at sea — somebody might think you're guilty.

Now the big winners:

Dutch journalist Peter de Vries, who got Joran on tape telling what really happened with Natalee Holloway. De Vries did what the cops somehow couldn't manage the last couple years.
You have to make John McCain a winner — no matter what you think of him. It wasn't that long ago that his campaign for the White House was just himself and whoever he could get to stop and listen. Look at him now.

I am going to say that Mitt Romney's a winner too. Yes, he had to bow out of the race, but he did it with his usual class and grace and he quite unselfishly endorsed the guy who had beat him.

And, Britney Spears is back to being a winner. She got out of the psych ward and luckily, the father is in control of her finances so the sharks can't make a run at her fortune. That's good, even if she doesn't like it.

Those are your big winners and losers — our Friday Finals — and that's My Word.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330125,00.html

You may very well be right, but I am taking some pleasure over Jossy's comment on how Paulus has been removed from all govt. committees.  LOL   The cards are falling?

YR - I agree and said yesterday, even if he is never tried and convicted Joran's life is over.

Indeed......interesting! I m not surprised either...but interesting, eh?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Just switched to the new thread.  Probably alot still reading previous thread.

Need sleep, night all. JUSTICE4NATALEE!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

I've never seen someone who when they tell the truth they lie and when they lie tell the truth.

I'm starting to think the whole of the beach story is a lie, and that there is no daury or even a boat.

Stories, made up ones in this situation are meant to distract, Joran has practiced this story for so long but it's still made up.

The first place the KLPD searched was the vds house. Even if Joran story was true and he told it the first day, he would be out of jail.

The semen that would be found would not be ONLY Joran's.

The only places that have received official resistance is the house and the dump.

The first lie is the one that is the most interesting, regarding hitting her head. Why throw that in?

Hi Monkeys, Listen this is not going down the way we would have hoped. It doesn't look like they can get enough evidence to bring Joran in 4 murder. They will not bring him in for a lesser charge. I can only hope our higher power takes over now. Enough is enough. This is not just about American's or the Holloway family. This is about Human Rights! The right to Justice. The right to Freedom of speech and the press. This has become something more then anyone could have speculated. It has taken on a life of it's own. Many have their political opinions, this is not about politics. This is about Human life and Justice. I will get off my soap box now. Thank you for listening, Martini :smt076

Paul vdS life is over too.
odd about that prison and hospital commitee he just got ditched from

if he won't go to prison he will end op in hospital ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, the prison committe is interesting since Joran spilled the beans about dear old dad providing him with a cell phone while in jail.
Surely, putting 2 and 2 together, Mos and/or somebody talked with all the "boys" that Paulus would have had connection with that could pass the phone off to Joran.  Could it be that it's part of the reason Paulus is getting kicked off the committee? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joran cant say he was lying cause he was stoned
my parents were strict
I would come home totally wasted trying to hide it and
when they would ask me the first thing I did was confess
YES IM blasted then pass out ::MonkeyTongue::

My gut tells me that Aruba is not going to charge him no matter what.  They could catch him red-handed raping, murdering, and disposing of the next young lady on film, in a stadium loaded with every resident on the island of Aruba, and still find reasons to turn their back.

This is just plain stupid. ::MonkeyNoNo::

If I remember correctly, the DO get Nancy Grace in Aruba but don't get Greta....right?

I've had my share of stoners around my life in the past and know they are more relaxed and open than otherwise would be.   Gawd!  What a lame excuse!   

The Right to Boycott Aruba!!!

Yep.  Pot doesn't make you crazy, out of control, or so messed up you don't remember what you said or did. 
It DOES make you chatty chatty and a little less inhibited and may make you speak before you think.

In a country where pot is legal, I would assume many in power have smoked it just like they drink wine.  Which means, they know this and they know this excuse is BS!!

Paulus has his excuse to move back to Holland now.  He will say they stripped my of everything and I can earn a living because of what they think my son did, blah, blah, blah.

Aruba is FOS.

HUH?!  Greta back on Aruba discusssion after commercial!  Something about TES!?  Anybody else hear that?  She also mentioned something about it and her blog.....

Did anybody else catch that????

Yes Klaas.  Remember they hated Nancy Grace.

Remember, it isn't the Netherlands that refuses to charge and convict him.  It is ARUBA!!!

AND the right to the average Aruban to have there livelyhood back!  They need to be outraged!

Gretawire  http://gretawire.foxnews.com/    (Like this will solve the case)

WHICH PROSECUTOR???? VOTE!!! (and check out what others are saying!!!)
by Greta Van Susteren


After 2 1/2 years, and no justice, and no definitive answers, you may think it is time to bring in another new prosecutor to investigate the disappearance (and most probable death) of Natalee Holloway. Which FAMOUS prosecutor, of the following, would you like to see interrogate Joran van der Sloot? (vote in the poll below…and THEN post your reason in the comments for your choice…)

It's taken a while but we have witnessed something remarkable in this case: Private sector justice. This is not vigilantism but private citizens acting within the law to overcome corrupt and incompetent law enforcement.

From the first day when Beth and Jug's friends flew them to Aruba, to this week when a reporter from the Netherlands broke the case, the perpetrators have been constantly pursued. All along the media and sites like this have kept up the pressure and provided support for the family.

For the first time ever it appears things are finally not going the Van Der Sloot's way. Seems like they were always one step ahead of everyone. He will always live by his motto "no body no case" and someday may even still try to sue the courts for damages. Let's all pray to god that Natalee is found in these next series of dives. If she is..They are absolutely cooked. There will be no denying justice for Natalee if she is found,especially with a injury to her skull.

Quite frankly, we have known since day 1 that Aruba's government is NOT going to do the right thing. Too many of them are involved in the cover-up. Nothing will happen until the Aruban PEOPLE say "enough is enough."  Fortunately, we are right at the cusp of that happening! Not only will they demand action -- heads in ALE and government will roll too. I predict about 2 more weeks of this.

I agree, the outrageousness of this is total bullshit.

Oh, and that freaky display ad on the right with the doll eye is....well....freaky!

Y'all would not believe what we were just called by a blogger on Gretawire.......RACISTS!!!!!  ("We" being Natalee supporters, not ScaredMonkeys).  That's a new one. 
As I replied to her...why is it racist to demand justice for a pretty white girl?  I'd feel no differently about this case if Natalee had been black, asian, latin, whatever.

I guess the lesson here is some people are just truly pathetic, and they seem to pull out that accusation when they run out of facts and have nothing left of any value to say.

UUUGGGGHHHH! Unbelievable!   :smt093

I submitted a write in vote:   RED from Scared Monkeys   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He can't move.....somebody might dig up the pool. ::MonkeyCool::

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It's time for me to hit the sack. You primates stay away from that evil, lie inducing weed.  ::MonkeyWink::

Wait. I want that car tag!

It may be about human rights for us but Aruba has already been excoriated and called in on the carpet for human rights abuses and guess what, surprise, surprise, surprise, they do not have a constitution that provides a bill of rights regards freedom of speech and freedom of press, but they do have a clause in their contract with tourism that they can demonstrate and discredit any American tourist on their island even to the point of arresting them for being there, killing them for dancing, throwing them in the water alive if they are small children or young girls and then sticking their middle finger in our faces if we but try to practice our rights in this country. Take it from the State Department, you have no rights when you step off the USA soil.

Excellent choice!  ::MonkeyDance:: 

I missed that one! Those haters, have become few and far between on Gretawire anymore Thank God.  HAS to be an RU poster, they are the only one's Ive seen still in support of JOran, which, I'm sure they will even if he's convicted. 

I think you would be correct if the Arubans knew the freedoms we have in the USA.  But they like almost all other countries do not.  I just don't see it in their nature to cause a big enough uprising over a poor little American girl to cause much of a change in the end result of this case.  The best I can realistically hope for is that they make a change in their leadership when they have the next opportunity to vote.

The everyday Aruban must be scared to death of ever having to defend themselves in the court of Aruban law.  It seems that they have to sets of law books.  One that is taught in civics class and the second is a little black book of secrets that is changed and applied as the powers that be see fit.

I am having a horrible time posting in the cage tonight.  Is it just me or are others experiencing problems?

I'm hoping the Fine Sane Folks of Aruba just all get together, with pickaxes and shovels, and just go as a huge group, over to the VDS home and dig up the WHOLE DAMN PLACE!

Here's a pretty good one from Gretawire..

Comment by Robin L Goldstein
February 8th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

I live in a wooded area and about a year ago a ballon got caught in some very high branches. We have been unable to retrieve it and no matter how hard the wind blows, the ballon is still there after all this time. In Joran’s confession he said that he hid Natalie’s body in the Mangrove bushes. Is it possible that some of her hair became entangled in the brush and might still be present?

Hmmmmm....its possible.  I have long blond hair and I shed like a dang dog.   ::MonkeyWink::

Of course finding a few hairs in a field of Mangroves 2 1/2 yrs later is probably far-fetched, but at least its an original thought.
 

Good choice!  But he's MIA!

SOMBODY GET HIS ROBOBUTT BACK HERE!

of course you know the Opsporing Verzocht program broadcasted 13 april 2006.
(with black Joran)

these guys should address the case again in there program.

the whole world is thinking about Natalee now! people might remember things!

i can't find the broadcast on their site anymore. at least not easily clickable

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas_a-z/opsporing_verzocht/archief/

bloody useless coño's at the KLPD / Avro / OM  ::MonkeyNoNo::

i e-mail them now

Klassend: LALA:

MBOX

I just had a horrible thought.....I hope Robots was not in the area of the storms the other night......does anyone know what area He is from.... ::MonkeyShocked::

I wouldn't worry about Robots,he said that was he was going away for a bit before the storm. Maybe he just needed a break?

My anger inducer for this night is all the time Greta threw away on interviewing that WASTE OF PRECIOUS ATMOSPHERE known as Paris Hilton.

I watched Greta's "short" (yeah, right) segment on Natalee (with family) and all agree, the kid is the guiltiest, slimiest PSYCHOPATH out there.

Did I understand correctly that the 3-judge panel is considering OVERTURNING the first judge and that there is momentum to bring Joran in again?

The sheer IMPOSSIBILITY of catching up at this point with all the posts over the last week or so is mind-boggling LOL, but I am keeping abreast of the high points.

And, Klaas, and Dugga, you have NOT been forgotten... just buried for the time being under the avalanche of posting in here and other things I have had to do.  Good things will come... eventually... You know what I'm talkin' about ;)   

Thanks *******!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks *******!   Another one MIA, whom I haven't seen in awhile is OldFart! Where's he been and is he ok???

only Maddie not Natalee  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas_a-z/opsporing_verzocht/archief/result.aspx?provincie=internationaal

It's been all good for me tonight.  Some times when that happens to me I close out of the forum completely and come back in and it's fixed.  Just an idea..I'm no techie   :smt102

One thing I can tell you for certain.  The *most* horrible thing a sociopath can experience is, their lies not being believed by other people.  They feel *out of control* when this happens...a sociopath is all about control...in every aspect of their lives.

Joran is in a living hell right now...he's so used to being the god *in his mind* that looks down on the stupid lowly minions that have the privalege of being around him..to bask in his glory of being better than anyone else...that is how he truly thinks.

I know this because, many years ago I dated a sociopath for a couple of years...he tried to kill me...I had him arrested and took him to trial...he was sent to prison...two years of therapy with a specialist taught me a LOT about sociopaths.

Joran is the definitive picture of a sociopath...he is shitting in his pants right now.  Multiple countries don't buy his shit anymore...he could care less what his family..his country...his friends think of him...he's only thought is the interuption of the *food* he survives on...being in control of others...and his loss of power.

Dest  ::MonkeyCool::

Robots is Skkkkeeeeeeerrred.  He heard Joe T. is coming after him.
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Hello all.  I watched Greta and Nancy tonight, flipping back and forth between them.  They seem to be covering the same stuff we heard earlier in the week.  I guess we're waiting, again.  We have been waiting for over 2 years now.  My last and best hope is the Persistence discovering her remains.  I believe that is the only real evidence that will move this forward.  Don't get me wrong--I do think Joran's confession has been monumental in the eyes of the world, but we already knew what the rest of the world is now learning.  I don't have hope of Aruba arresting or trying Joran.  The one ray of hope this week, to me, is Peter de Vries saying he feels Joran will be tried for this crime.  That and the Persistence are my strings of hope for justice that I now hang upon.

I have been wondering where he has been.  I search for his last post and it was a little strange.  He stated his work was done here.  Odd.  Preveious post seem normal.

Destiny, I agree.  Joran's hell began this week.  He can no longer go out in public to casinos or school or wherever he hung out.  He's in a prison of his own making now.  I am so thankful to Peter DeVries for educating the Dutch about him and creating this prison around Joran. 

I hope Robots is okay, too.  His spirit and optimism were very infectious here.  We still need him.  His work is not done.  Not yet.

Well I just sure hope He gets back from His break soon because he is truly missed.....its just not the same around here without Mr Robots!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just realized I don't see any avatars?  Did we lose them or is it me?

I was on the forum when he said that and the general reaction seemed to be "ha ha".  I guess he was totally serious.  But its totally strange...
The work is soooo not done.  Seems to me it's just begun.  Bring back Robots!!

i called the number. guy said i had to call Avro (broadcasting company)
i said: can you do that for me?
he said if it's not there, there's never been a program about her. ::MonkeyConfused::
is said: it was on 13 april 2006, also broadcasted in Aruba
he is going to look into it.

i mean people might remember things from 2.5 years ago now everybody is talking about it.

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Dugga turned avatars off for now to ease the load on the server when it gets really busy. 

I believe its only a matter of time before the weight of his ultimate fate crushes him and he lashes out. He is the face of true evil in this world and will never escape what he and others have done.

I was here, too, when he posted that.  It was out of character for him, not like his usual posts.  I noticed it.

ROBOTS IS SHANGO....that's why he left...we all got it...the house of cards is crumbling...LOL

Just joking...

Where did you see this little nugget?  I must have missed it.

Thanks, Klaas.  Hey, I know you are busy right now, but if you can find a minute soon, can you email Robots and just ask if he's doing okay?  We're a bit worried about him and miss him. 

Carpe uploaded Nancy Grace's show from tonight
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctfsE7DrqIM
Part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5RyKbO154
Part3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmlWJrAE3kI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faCbxqKHEIo

Thanks AtlGirl.  I've done that a couple of times.  Maybe it's just our connection here tonight.

Has there been anymore talk about the tip lines that supposedly opened up in Aruba?

Yes, I think he is doomed to a short and tragic life.  I just can't see him living out his life uneventfully to an old age.  Nope.  I don't give him long.

Me too. It sounded like a farewell.

I haven't heard a word

Yeah but that's what we said about OJ -- so evil he couldn't last long. That was what, 12 years ago?

I know how you feel...Peter DeVries has been the miracle I've been praying for...

I had not heard this.  You would think someone would feel safe enough now to come forward.  Aruba is condemning Joran now, according to Jossy and other reports.   Maybe the atmosphere is more conducive to people saying what they know. 

The case is so dismal, but there is that cock-eyed optimist in me that just won't give it up.  We will find justice, but sometimes I can't imagine how or where.

I posted a ad in Solo Di Pueblo last night,looks like it was taken out by someone to encourage tips and had a tip line. Looked to me like one of Dave's ad's but I could be wrong.

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Yeah.  And I remember thinking that if he posts again in the next hour or so, he was just joking like our Robots.  Then, he didn't post again.

I believe it was mentioned a few days ago. Of course, if the Aruban authorities have setup such a line....ahhh...well......forget it.....

Klaas, I only ask because Robots always joked about how old he was and lately he had been adding decades to his age.  I just worry about his health, and if you contact him, tell him we said to take care and stay well.

OK Here's a question for Everyone....What Do You think is the signifigance of Joran talking to Patrick in the tapes about Natalee coming from a rich family and knowing Bush....He said something like.....I didn't know the B***H was from a rich family....does He mean that it would have been better if She was poor (so to speak) because no one would have cared or what....I just thought it was weird that He even said anything about Her social status...any thoughts anyone.... ::MonkeyConfused::

caesu - are you looking for this?
http://www.kparuba.com/nhmovie.html

Arrest Requested.

Sometimes Robots come in our lives for a reason and they stay until their work is done and they drift out of our lives for a reason.  The truth is if anyone wants to know although I am sworn to secrecy but I can tell you if you promise not to tell it.  He is a cheerleader for the up and coming UFO football team who is now choosing team names and he has much work to do.

I hope the family is advertising the tip line.  The atmosphere and opportunities are changing with the wind on Aruba.

Robot's did the same thing just a few months ago. We all need break's and I am sure thats what it is. He will be back ladies!

anidac... it was just something I saw SOMEWHERE, that maybe there was a chance that they would make a full re-open of the case and bring Joran back as suspect. I cold have misread that. Maybe wishful thinking...

Joran is already CONVICTED in the harshest court of all... the court of public opinion.

He KNOWS that too, and that's why he is so mad. The true narcissist can never accept the idea that he will not be loved by others. Once he reaches that realization, that he is cut off from the love and adulation of others, he is COOKED.

Think about THIS... while at the ISA in Aruba, among his hangers-on like K2 and Freddy and the rest, he was the BIG FISH in a little pond. HE has now been dumped into the great big OCEAN of Life and is a mere minnow being tossed in the waves and being hounded by big bad predators of the Deep.

I think we are getting near a "tipping point" in his life where something, something I can't define quite yet, is going to happen. The "confession" is a symptom of that.

I just sent him an SOS email.  He's just joking about his age, he's really not 89 and as far as I know he's in good health  ::MonkeyWink::

He did not assume her family would have the finances to come to Aruba and look for her and pursue this as their life's work.  He assumed she was just another "nobody American girl" like the others he had drugged (and this statement made me wonder if there were others who had disappeared there but whose families are still listing them as "missing").  Could some of them that Joran has taken out and drugged be on our milk cartons?

Maybe he'll come back to TEAM HOLLOWAY someday and lead us in another "We stand with the girl!" cheer.  I'm thankful for the brief time we had a Robots.

The Aruban Government Officials, starting first and foremost with Rudy are so corrupt and in bed with the drug lords that they are at the mercy of the local Dutch who control the police and courts. The Arubans have been blackmailed into not convicting Joran by these few from Holland, who view Aruba as an outpost. However, this is getting bigger than Aruba and those same bastard Dutch in Aruba cannot control Holland or the world, and the Arubans are getting braver and also tired of the behavior of piss ant van der sloot. I really feel like they are going to handle Joran, one way or another.

Did you read that Anita? One way or another Aruba is going to FIX the problem your nasty eggs created and that those toxic titties fed; and the choice is yours!!!!!!!!!!!!! See that light at the end of the tunnel? It can be whatever you want it to be. The protection of a jail cell with the possibility for redemption and a chance at a regular life, or a crab trap designed to hide Aruba's embarrassment. The choice is yours and yours alone. Your country has already betrayed you and is obviously turning against you. In fact in your case, your COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!

The 2005 and 2006 2007 tip did not help...But for what they are saying is that the tip line is monitor by the same crooked police and OM....so no one will say anything. and a lot know what has happend but they also know that they need to prove it.

I called last night to see what they will answer....And you can hear the recording machine...t has an echo on it...The other was the method they answer the phone...very strange for a tip line. If it was a recording machine. The setup of the tip line is badly done.

Well  pfffft! He can't take a break in the middle of this newsbreaker!  Bad timing Robots!   You only take a break during a slow news cycle!   ::MonkeyDance::

OK I'll stop worrying..... ::MonkeyWink::

Yep...I thought as much...CHEER ON ROBOTS!!!

I was worried about hurting his feelings one time because I said something about the elderly (which almost includes me BTW). Angie laughed and said don't worry. He's far from old. Another time he talked about his girls having a slumber party at his house and so he was up all night. I don't think he keeled over from old age.

How come I'm always so literal?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  I really do see him creaking and clanking around like a robot.  I have way to vivid an imagination! ::MonkeyTongue::

I'll bite. He doesn't care about the background of his targets. When he prowls, its based on opportunity only. When the circumstances are right he strikes. I think his comments were simply part of his flow of normal thought--which as we all know is not normal but completely effd up.

BINGO!  Perfect post. ::MonkeyDance::

I wonder if the Sloots can feel the tragedy and impending doom that we all feel on their behalf.  Do you think they are afraid just as we are anticipatory, waiting for the hammer to drop?  They have to feel the suspense building.  If we feel it, they must be suffocating from it.

What does this say Capslock?

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I thought the same thing....not to terribly long ago someone posted the crime reports or something from Aruba and there were several young girls whose deaths were from drowning....just wonder what really happened to them.  ::MonkeyEek::

That one bugged me too.  But if Natalee had been from a family with limited means, they probably wouldn't have been able to do what they did (staying on the island, taking oodles of time off work, etc.).  And I personally wouldn't categorize her as rich anyway.  Definitely upper class, but not multi-millionaires or anything.  I'm sure Dave and Beth took everything they had to try to get Natalee back. 

I believe if they hadn't had the resources, we probably wouldn't be here today.  It would have been really over a long time ago.

But what's up with the Bush comment?  Do the Holloway/Twittys know Bush?  It seems like if they did, it would have been a good time to call in a favor.  Of course, there's really not a whole lot he could do in his position against a foreign country without a body.

Dammit, I didn't mean to sound like PVS with that last comment  ::MonkeyRoll::

I know that Beth and her family will always be in debt to Robot for his undying support and are proud to have had the honor and priviledge to stand with Robot insisting on "Justice For Natalee." Robot is the greatest Super Hero in their book!!!!!!!!!!!! But ask him to please occassionally beep in just to say hi:))))))))

Oh wait,  it's when things are slow, he is here to encourage us and raise our spirits...   Ok,   I guess he can take a break,  BUT NOT TOO LONG!   ::MonkeyWink::

Me too. I was sure he was old and I was so impressed with his being on the internet. I was crushed when I thought I might have offended an old person. I guess i believe anything anyone tells me.

Klaas....you ROCK!    thanks...

he he... me too   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Truth be known,  he's really in his 40's....  But that's 89 in Robot years!   

For one thing, the family does NOT know Bush, that is a fantasy cooked up by pro-Joran apologists who want to add political slant to the case.

Joran's biggest problem is that yes, the family DID have resources in place to fight this battle. Another family could have gathered together the resources to fight this fight like Beth and Dave have done, but it would have been much harder and taken a lot longer. And they would have needed LOTS of help.

As it is, Dave has just about exhausted himself with the effort. Beth's ONLY income now is from appearances and book sales (I won't touch the subject of Jug pro or con). Arubans want Beth to GO HOME and FORGET IT, that's why they harp on her alleged "money-making" ventures. Fact is, she has to raise the funds for this fight. If she doesn't do that, she is landlocked.   

i am not looking for it to watch it.

but i am just wondering why KLPD / OM / Avro doesn't have the Opsporing Verzicht program about Natalee on their site anymore.
i can imagine people who might know something are looking for it because maybe they have tips/clues for the police.
there are people who know things about joran here in netherlands.

i should have been a sleep hours ago. i can't stop my mind.

I'm glad you e-mailed him, Klaas!

Why would one's computer "chirp"?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I just got home from the office and my computer's chirping like a smoke detector!

Thanks Klaas!  ::MonkeyWink::

But it's the truth and several people at the State Department including Condi Rice have made calls and talked with Beth and the PM of Aruba, our senators here have called and we have sent FBI agents which they rejected.  We cannot intervene in what a sovereign country does, we can only warn our citizens not to travel there and that is what was done, warnings on the Department of State site about travel to Aruba secondary to trafficking, etc.  Now, there is something Interpol could do, if they wished to get involved.

I think the comments about Natalee being from a rich family and knowing Bush just reflect what Joran considers a high status in others.  He thinks status is conferred by having money and knowing people in high political circles.  Think about it.  That is status on Aruba.  That's the only status there.  Money, lots of it, and political power are what run that island and the only things that count, to Joran.  When the attention of the world turned on Aruba after she disappeared, he attributed this attention to these two characteristics which are all important on Aruba.  She must have been rich and known Bush, Joran figured, or why else would all these people care what happened to her?  This, my friends, is the thought process of a psychopath.

I hope someone can answer that.  Mine does that from time to time and recently my remote has started doing that in the middle of the night for no reason. No other remote controls I have do that, but the one that goes with my flat screen TV (which is supplied by the cable company) does.

It could be the Fan, or the harddrive may be going bad.  Do a backup asap!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Mine was almost new when it did that, maybe a couple weeks old.  Remote control has started doing that.  Must be gremlins. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sounds like when a battery get's low in a smoke detector.  Check batteries?

Nice post.

It is a weather alert.  Click on the temperture on the bottom of your screen
or there may be a bug to click on. 

Sounds like hard drive failing.  Backup!  Now!

Tyler, I don't have a clue why your remote would chirp unless, of course, the cat is stepping on it.  Then it might chirp.  Mine does.

Excellent point!! 

Nobody understands the chemistry of attractions, but it was and is the "attraction" of Beth's supporters to her that have allowed her to carry this fight forward. I have heard Beth say over and over she is as strong as her supporters make her, and they have made her formidable. While Beth has suffered a huge loss, God her blessed her over and over thru all of you, and she is aware, she is thankful, and she loves all of you. You have been so kind, so supportive, so understanding, and so strong for her that it simply overwhelms her and her family. God is obviously at work, they can't see the plan, but they know all of his work is good, and they are proud to be a part of this with you, even though they miss Natalee tremendously. However, they know that Natalee is sitting in God's house, and they are very very thankful of the time they had with her.

And because of you all, Beth has obviously finally found just a little bit of peace and rest, and the grieving in her heart has been comforted by the addition of the wonderful memories she had with Natalee pushing the grief to the side.

You are all making this world a better place to live by your actions and deeds. You have certainly made a very positive difference in a young woman's life.

Ty

That is what I figured.

ok, Thanks! (i don't know how to back up or check the batteries, but i'll get on the web and see if i can figure it out)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry for the O/T!

Well said SB.  I completely agree.  I only hope that when the pressure builds to the point of explotion within Joran, he doesn't take another life with him.  He has a need and he will feel he cannot control it until he tries his games again.  He may be protected in Aruba but he isn't in Aruba much these days.  The next time he will not be so lucky.  He will either by offed by someone close to his next prey or a whack'o out in the world.  He is more likely to face justice for crimes he commits off of the island as well.  Fortunately, his ego won't allow him to commite suicide.

My to is chirping when I post... and some time twice....but I chaange my NIC Yester day and it was fine till I reboot this moring. with the same NIC...Will change to another later to see what is going on....

How deep does this cover up go caesu? On the Aruban police site they were hardly trying to get tips. Instead theywere showing the ludicrous story that Julia Renfro and the disinformation team was putting out about the FBI and Holliday Family lying,covering up and the reason the case isn't solved. Heck,we saw that Dutch America's Most wanted using a black different race actor portraying Joran. Something just isn't right here at all. When Hans Mos met with the family we thought he was our saviour. Instead he answered no questions,had interrogators question the family and blamed the Media and Natalee's family  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BINGO...big time..

You're right, of course.  And, in reverse, so many of us have wondered to each other why we are so compelled to follow this case and bond with Beth and Dave and the family who have endured such tragedy.  For me, Beth has been the model of motherhood.  Her strength has actually inspired me often in the past 2+ years through tough times.  She's become a heroine to me and I know to many others.  I admire her strength under such duress, her unwavering faith and belief in God and justice and her family and Natalee.  We all need heroes in our lives.  Thank you, Beth, for being a hero to me.  I'd follow you anywhere.

I think the powers that be in Aruba are worried.
Worried what the loose cannon Joran will say next.
Or, what did he already say on the other 9.25 hours of tapes.
Did he name some names ?
Of those who helped him to not face up to what he did ?
Will he tell more not about himself of course, but about THEM.
..
How much do you think Fox Network paid Joran for the Greta shows ?
In the millions, one, two, three or more.
I know they said they didn't, but do you think the money went into a trust for him ? Where funds will be availble after x number of years, x being the length of time that the clock ticks out on charges being laid ?
..
How much have the Sloots received for all the media they have done ?
..
I hate it when people are critical of Patrick for doing the job for money.
Did Patrick kill anyone ? What crime did he commit ? He did a JOB and he was paid for it.
.. Devries I read was paid five million for the tapes we saw. How much do you think the Sloots have pocketed in all of this sorry story ? Did they set up any trust funds for any foundations ? No, it all went to them.

Was aware by reading here at ScaredMonkeys about PVDStoolscum being on the hospital board but this is the first that I have seen about PVDStoolscum being on the Prison Board?  Did I miss something or is this the first time that we have been informed of this affiliation????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Backup means you make copies of your data files and put them on another device -- discs, usually, but some people use smart keys. When data is really important to me, I e-mail the file to myself. That way it is saved in cyberspace, on the email provider's computer. The trouble with putting a backup on discs is that the discs are usually in the same room or house as the computer, so if some catastrophe occurs, you lose both. Sometimes I put my backup discs in the car.

Don't forget to copy your favorites (bookmarks)  file and your email (pst) files.

I don't back up program files. Takes too long and you can usually reload programs.

i called the dutch tipline just now to mention that they should put the natalee case back on their site.

the tipline was working, first a message on dutch saying something like "this it the tipline" (not a recording machine) then i spoke to someone.
see my earlier post.
but it is a general tipline for all cases in the netherlands.

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas%5Fa%2Dz/opsporing%5Fverzocht/contactinfo/
http://www.radio.nl/2003/home/medianieuws/010.archief/2006/03/105398.html

I just want to Thank Everyone who replied to My Question in regards to Joran and His comment about Natalee and Bush....All of the Replys were Excellent... ::MonkeyWink::

This is the first I heard of a prison board, too.  Hospital board was known. 

Yes,It was that way in 2005 when the Landfill witness called and the Jogger..They both had to leave messages. We can see it in the PV'S,the Joggers call was handled by Edwin Papi Commencia.

I don't think Joran would have trusted a guy that came off squeaky clean, either. I get paid for doing a job, why shouldn't Patrick? I think he thought he would be welcomed in the US for what he had done. He was turned away and flew back to Holland instead.

(it's the strip something's plugged into that's chirping......could that just be the strip?) I'm sorry, I just don't have anyone else to ask at 1:00am.

CBB Did You have any power failures lately....if so it could be the power strip..try turning it off for a couple of seconds then back on to reset...

1:00. Nite, Monkeys.

You are both so right.  You are bringing me to tears over the Love and spirit of God and his blessings he has given us in this journey and faith of his love for all of us.  He had a reason to bring us all together and maybe has used Natalee as that bridge.   Either way, Natalee is with him and looking down.  She is at peace and in no pain.  We are here only to help bring justice.  Even if we do not succeed,  God will take care of it, as he get's the final judgement.  We serve nothing more than a support system for Beth, Dave et al....   God takes the glory for it all!

I also think it has to do with the way Joran thinks. Like what he said when Natalee got convulsions and seemingly died (his account) he says "I almost started to cry, like why does it has to happen to me!"

It's all about him. He feels sorry for himself.

I think he looks at Beth and the family's persistence in the same light. As his bad luck.

She came from a wealthy family, the parents where well connected, its just his bad luck. He is the one he feels sorry for (and others should feel sorry for in his opinion).

He is totaly egocentric or narcissistic. Everything he says has to be interpreted in that way.

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Hi people. I've been reading hear since the recent breakthrough. When I started looking for more information the Scared Monkeys just kept popping up on my google searches.  ::MonkeyWink::

I registered so I could leave a comment now and then. Like I just did.

Great work you've been doing here! [thumbs-up!]

Where is the chirping coming from?  An electrical outlet strip?  An appliance plugged into the strip? 

Whose computer is making a "chirping" sound? CBB?

BACKUP THAT HARD DRIVE!!! NOW!!! It is about to die on you and you will LOSE work you have on it now, IRRETRIEVABLY!

Welcome to the cage Northern Star!

Welcome Northern Star.  Glad you're here.

WELCOME NORTHERNSTAR! Glad to have you here! ::MonkeyWink::

Hi N Star

Let me add my welcome to Northern Star, hotping, and all our new Monkeys!

Heading out for this evening...

Keep it going, guys.

CBB, by "backup" we mean you should copy all your documents, files, papers, pics, bookmarks, and email address book and anything of importance on your computer to a CD.  Then, if and when the drive dies and you buy a new one, you can copy the stuff back to the new hard drive and be able to access it.

Thank You NorthernStar and Welcome!

Somebody meet me in Musings, please?

Welcome NorthernStar!!

Welcome Northernstar!

it was today that the highest official in the dutch OM said in newspaper Trouw Peter R. did a very good job.
he encouraged!! citizens / journalist to help the police!

only there should be debate how far journalist should be able to go. fine! no problem. let's debate!

but of course help the police!! people KNOW things.
why not put the Natalee case back on the frontpage. only just a clickable picture.
even i know how to make a HTML link. space enough on that site
and i had a very good search on their site but it wasn't there at all.

http://www.avro.nl/tv/programmas_a-z/opsporing_verzocht/
really don't get it. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you all!

welkom  ::MonkeyWink::

I know nothing about chirping, but with my smoke detector, it chirped for quite a while. Kats and I looked everywhere for the birdies. Then, I had an Ah Ha moment. Changed the batteries.
Why don't you phone your service provider ? Those boys are a wealth of information. Sound like a damsel in distress. Or helpless. That usually works for me these days. I am sorry.
Ok, I got the book out.. A continuos beep or a repeating short beep, = power supply, system board is the fault domain.
Looked a bit further, it requires taking the box apart and using a voltage meter.
Is your fan on ?
I think I would call someone smart.

Opsporing Verzocht = Dutch Most Wanted

KLPD / OM / Avro joint

That was my impression, too, Kat.  Call someone smart.  Klaas and DiHannah1 are helping her in Monkey Musings.  Either power, heat, or hard drive, none of which are good.  Save the stuff and call a smart person.

Hi, all.  I have not been able to catch up the past week due to personal duties, but have the rerun of Greta on....OMG...they showed the see through blouse picture while talking to Jossy.....I'm sure this was mentioned in the last thread....just had to comment.  ::MonkeyShocked::

I stand by the girl....Natalee Holloway.

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Hi 2NJ - yes Greta was a good one tonight!

What I recall is that JVDStoolscum claimed that Natalee told him she was rich but no he didn't know about Bush.

A BIG welcome to you Northern Star!

Welcome home...

Goodnight Monkeys!

Night atlgirl.

Nite Atl...sleep with the Angels...

Klaas, did my best trying to help CBB, but haven't heard back.  I can't stay awake anymore, so hitting the bed now.

God Bless all Monkeys, the Holloway family and friends and the Persistance and crew!

G'night and sweet dreams!

Good night folks.  I need my beauty sleep.

Night Di

Night anidac

Hotping:

We still need to research a bit more on the deals with Mr. Purcell, The AHATA and the Sloot's connection.  There is a stinkbom between these guys.

This is about the "HAMMER not the BLOCK" statement. It is about a contract for the Ritz..I do believe also from the getgo that there where targeting a person that supposed to be kidnapped.  that it was a setup for a revenge for something that went wrong with the contract.. To hurt someones business or some group business. Who wil loose and who will gain or get even.

IT IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH The DUTCH. Something the DUTCH GOVERNMENT DID. but it played out in Aruba.

The "ten day, 2 down 8 to go" , means probably that Mr Purcell had eyes on 10 of these people from wealthy background  (That what he thought) for a reason.....( we will find out ).

This is just food for the brains for tomorrow work load

 

I think he is on more boards than that.  I knew about those 2 but I think he is on a couple more if I recall but cannot remember which ones.  He was the QC officer at the hospital.

If Paulus is on the Prison Board, that would explain the cell phone.

If Paulus is on the hospital board, what could that explain?

Do they control the crematorium, the coronor's office perhaps, the one that owns that "suicide" stamp?

If he is connected with the Hospital, then he must be link to Boshi Wever, Minister of Health, Boshi said that he will build a new Hospital and everyone ask where is the monry comming from. Nelson Oduber Said He will build the Ritz Carlton..Where is it.

The Royal Caribbean Cruise / Harbour Project, first Briezen said it was a Group from spain that had the Contract, and suddenly it was RCC that was involved.  So there is something rotten going on in Aruba

Caps..I'm flattered but I think that maybe you might have meant to address this to Hotshot not Me Hotping.......The only question that I have about Mark Purcell is if He was formerly lived in Texas and if his age is approximately 50 yrs...just wondering...if anyone might know... ::MonkeyConfused::

Spain was where Joran said that He and his family would go if he got a large settlement from lawsuits...that's what he said to Patrick on the tapes.....weird coincidence.... ::MonkeyConfused::   

Sorry, Yes it was for Hotshot and LALA:

No Problem Caps!  ::MonkeyWink::

Caps:

Your theory have anything to do  with Virgina Page Oneal? Ruffner Page's daughter?

He is around 50.  Dont know where he came from though.  
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Thanks Hotshot! Seems like a read somewhere that He was from Texas....Does He also have a son in Aruba? TIA

Frank, know anyone who wants to hop a plane to find a few things out in the near future?  I still have a few things I need to do.

Yes, he married him off in aruba....

Good evening monkeys.  Just wanted to pop in and ask a question.  Is Paulus still working with Joran's lawyer in Aruba or is he working anymore at all?  I was so hoping the tape would have landed Joran back in the cell he needs to be in.  Did the 3 judges rule not to arrest him?  I thought Nancy Grace said they wouldn't tonight but not sure.

You monkeys have been here for Natalee a very long time and still keep up the good fight.  My heart goes out to Beth and Dave.  I thought it was so touching when Dave said he had to move ahead because of his 2 small girls.  And that the girls had hung a stocking for Natalee at Xmas time.  Just twists your heart in a knot.

Thanks Hotshot!

Hotshot,

Get on a plane?

I'm trying to get off one.

Hi Jobie....We are still waiting on the decision from the 3 judges..it should be announced in a couple of days....It really breaks Your heart to see Dave talking about the other girls and the stocking.....God Bless Natalee's Family!

Good Nite All You Faithful Monkeys!

LOL, sorry.  I need someone to accompany me.  Got any suggestions?

Night hotping.....  I think I am retiring too.  Ill check back to see if anyone wants to go ... ::MonkeyConfused::

Actually the father... maybe the son... but don't we all see that it is the father that Joran covers for?  And his secret club?  Watch Eyes wide Shut and you will get an interesting picture, right?

Sigh... ::MonkeyEek::

History is an interesting beast..."Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it!"

Racist for Americans is something that the dutch, or the Arubans, should not try to stir up -- racist?

OMG... just remember that America got it's slaves from where? 

Dutch Slavers, many of whom used Aruba as a sort of "sorting" bin -- so to speak.... Let's see, do we send this shipment to Venezuela, Cuba or America? 

Just go back and read the history books about the treatment and condition of slaves aborad those "Dutch" Slave ships and you will see an interesting picture fast... Racist? 

I think it is an excuse that just won't wash...!!!!

is it been confirmed that Paul vdS is thrown out of al those commitees? (prison & hospital).
the transcripts of Greta's phone call with Jossy Mansur aren't online yet so i can't proof it a dutch forum.

(they still don't trust just scaredmonkey as a source  ::MonkeyNoNo::)

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe Paulus was in charge of licensing.

Another thing, yes, the hospital should/would have a way of "cremation," or disposal of body parts.  Amputations don't just float away.

Paulus has a brother, I have told, who is quite affluent and resides in Spain but this could be idle gossip.

Its just a tactic.

If they want to discredit what someone says, without addressing the issue, they discredit the messenger.

The easiest way is to suggest an ulterior motive. So they cry racism. Mission accomplished.

I'm starting to believe its universal. I've been in many controversial discussions over the years and you can almost set your watch to it, it's just a matter of time till someone starts making accusations of racism.

I used to get all worked up about it, now I just smile and ignore it. Whoever resorts to such tactics has low integrity so not worth your time and energy imo.

It was said on Greta's show, by Jossy, but I don't know about additional confirmation.

yes i watched the same bit live.
and it was by order of Rudy Croes, justice minister?
i hope it gets confirmed by another source.

i haven't figured out what schedules the press agencies are working.
if the netherlands are asleep they won't send minor news from aruba over the wires to the netherlands especially if it is after the newspaper deadlines close.

but i think this is MAJOR news so why just not send it to the press agencies so it will get to the MSM??

or did Croes want him out of the commitees, or did he order him out?

anyway just Jossy Mansur mentioning it sounds pretty good  ::MonkeyRoll::

Harbor Project....last time I checked there was a Richard Lacle IIRC was the Marketing manager for the Port Authority. I came across him when checking on another Richard Lacle from Aruba who was in a Fed. prison for money laundering to do with Airport projects on Trinidad and Tabago. I have been asking about the Aruba airport projects that are repotedly way behind as US money was allocated for thes back in 2000.

I would really like to know how all of the Wevers are connected. Both the lawyer(Hendrik Croes' partner) and the one that reportedly worked at the HI are no longer with us.

Texasmom....did you ever get anywhere with that family tree? TIA

Is this Aruba's version of the ending...

Joran banned from the country.
Paulus' ties to government agencies cut.
Case never solved, nor prosecuted.

Aruba is safe now. Please come visit us. We have handled the problem.

Mark Purcell...found a birthday of August 29th on that Friends in Aruba site, then the site froze up on me. I believe this group is where those pics from December came from the day before Joran was released last time. Remember their supposed Christmas party....

Is his son's name Mark too?...Wife Marlene...from Texas. Is that an old picture? I had thought I had seen it a while back as dated, if so he may be older. Is his son a friend of Joran's?

The first thing I clicked on when I googled was a porn forum and didn't stay very long and didn't read Mark's post or what it was about!!!

I agree with you...Don't you find it interesting that the hate-filled buzz-word is used so freely by hypocrites...like the pot calling the kettle black...

like arresting two black security guards...

like asserting Nat says, "Hitler's sister'...

from a group of so-called educated protectors of the isle of Aruba?

Haven of Pirates in the past...

Trading post for African slavers...

New trading post of human traffickers...modern "white" slavers...

Outpost of drug trafficking for south america...

money laundering headquarters for the mob...

and now they dare call americans "racist"????

excuse me...lights are on but nobody is home?

Aruba, your 'finest' are killing you...

Who in their right mind wants to vacation there now...??? right?

You are finished... might as well give up on tourism and let the world really see you for what you are...

think about pirates and slave traders (you will never outgrow that one)...think about drug runners (hey the world knows)... think about about money laundering (the mob never had it so good)...think about "loose morals" -- (legalized prostitution -- "chollars" .... pimps... etc.,... etc...) think about human trafficking (an entire laundry list of missing "white girls" right?)...

Aruba, don't you dare call us, americans, racist, until you ha ve your own house cleaned up!!!!

Shame...shame...shame...

Now that is a frightening thought.  Being on the hospital board, if he thought Natalee's physical state was salvagable, he would have gotten her medical care - I'd like to believe.  However, if he knew by looking at her that she was dead, i.e. from being beaten, he perhaps would have called the person in charge of the crematorium.  Didn't that person end up dead too?

Personally, I think many deaths shortly after Natalee's disappearance are linked.  So many.  It seems like PVDS is capable of all sorts of evil.  Peter knows it too.  The ESAD look he gave Paulus was much more intense than the one he shot Joran.  Peter knows Paulus is evil incarnate and Joran is his student.

moo

Seems that way...I question how the heck Rudy kept his job as Justice Minister when he didn't have enough votes. He said he would take the Tourism one if Hendrick could have Justice.

Well that didn't happen and Rudy kept it. But where does he get the power to bargain? Obviously not from the people...he didn't get enough votes!!!!

GunSlinger.  BUCHSHOT. Robots.  And anyone else whose name currently escapes me. ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Buckeye...I saw your post on Sambo/Campo....Thanks...Destiny...quit calling that number Rob gave you .... LOL

 ::MonkeyCool::
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 ::MonkeyDance::

caesu...if you are still here can you please tell me what this link is to? TIA

http://www.stichtingnob.nl/index_real.jsp

Joran actually had a chance to walk from this situation.

The plan:
(1) Cover crime..
(2) Sabotage investigation.
(3) Deal with backlash.
(4) Protect tourism.
(5) Lay low.
(6) Time pass. Memory fade. Back to normal.

Things did not go as planned.
(1) Cover crime.
(2) Sabotage investigation.
(3) Deal with backlash.
(4) Protect tourism.
(5) Lay low. Joran - Did not lay low. Became too arrogant. Talked about getting away with crime too much. Exposed those who covered crime. Insulted those who sabotaged case. Mocked everyone, including both families. Screwed up plan.
(6) Time passed. Memory not fading. Will not go back to normal. Due to (5) not happening, will have to address (1), (2), (3), and (4).

Joran has shit the bed. Island has huge black eye. Bit the hand that fed him.
Cheaters justice, as they say. It is his fault completely. He knows it.

Nite again everybody - Foxy made me cross-eyed and dizzy.  See y'all later.

When news broke of 20 hours of secret video footage of Joran confessing, I think I heard a collective deafening scream come from Aruba. It said,..........................................

"OH SHIT."

It was the shot heard round the world.

Aruba will stage the ending.
No doubt. Watch and see.
It is happening as we speak.

Foundation Dutch Education Abroad


(Shell is of course the Dutch/British oil company)

i so miss the edit function on this forum.
but i understand it is to prevent tampering with evidence!
which is important because we are not the Aruban OM!!  ::MonkeyCool::

i hope the admins back up all the forum data as often as possible ::MonkeyRoll::

caesu...thank you...I knew it was education, but didn't know exactly what.

I got it from the International School of Aruba site. Other links include one to our State Dept. and of course the International Friends of Aruba. I thought that weird to have in with the other links.

Both the US and The Netherlands fund the school....Link to ISA

http://www.isaruba.com/

Kermit…thanks for all the Birthday info.

Will try and find the screen shot from the deVries show that Leslie referenced. Do you remember anything about dates on that PV? There are a few on the log that I am unfamiliar with and haven’t associated to anything. Looking at one in particular.
TIA

Not finding much on  the tennis club will keep looking. I found a heap a while ago, even found that Sander played Junior Davis Cup.

AN OLD POST:

RE: ARUBAN WITNESS WITH B-DAY IN DECEMBER.... this was just posted at RU
Jonathan Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:27 am   
Translation of cocaine witness PV according to "Fierljepper"
Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? (...) on living street 479? on Aruba.
To your question whether I know something about the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway, I answer you as follows. I am a friend of Joran van der Sloot (with Joran we refer to suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, remark interrogator). Joran and I both play tennis at the "Aruba Racquet Club".

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39542.php

says Paul vdS is NOT removed from the committees, but they are thinking about.
*contradicts with Jossy Mansur*
also thinking about to remove from the bar association, because of phone smuggling
also Paul vdS sends writing (letter or e-mail) to Pauw/Witteman telling them "it is not true"

just like his son, it's all a lie!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

i don't watch Pauw/Witteman anymore because they are spineless.
remember how Witteman was flirting with Joran's granny over the phone?
only if there's an really interesting guest on it watch that.

epileptic cover up is also in this article by the way!!

Maybe he's out at the airport?  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Reaching back into the recesses of my old job, my first thought was the fan is getting ready to go.  Di is right.  Back up NOW.  If you're brave, you could pull the cover off and see if it chirps while you're watching.  That may give you a better idea what's chirping.  Unless you aren't sure what you're looking at.  Never mind.
Someone smart here will know the answer. 
Where's Metro or OldFart? 

Good morning and I'm new here......
I saw on the last list of 50 pages a video clip with JVDS and Patrick that had been dubbed over in English. I think this was originally aired on 20/20 and at the time I THOUGHT I heard something that had pricked my ears up. I heard it again on that clip and joined this forum to ask if anyone else picked up on it.

First, can someone repost that clip so we can listen again at 1:32 on the clip. You will hear JVDS say "there was noone there!" and Patrick respond, "OfCourse noone ws there! It's night, Joran!" Then JVDS says he I'm talking to her, talking to her, nothing......so then I TAKE HER". Then Patrick speaks over him and the moment is gone.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I listened over and over and wondered, why did the translator say that. What was the exact wording in Dutch? Did he "take" her euphemistically speaking, or take her "somewhere".....? Anybody?

I doubt this is a smoking gun, I was just curious.

You are exactly right.

This crap about them wanting Paulus off every committee is BS and part of their plan.

Who is to say that Paulus is really off those committees and not working in the background.

Good morning teacat and welcome to Scared Monkeys.

Do you remember what page the post was on?

Good morning, teacat, et al.

Are you looking for a video clip?  If so, your best bet always is Carpe's video collection.

Go here, scroll down and on the right you'll see screenshots of the various media clips. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/gensing7000

I would bookmark the above page because as soon as things air, Carpe is on the case and gets 'em posted.  Bless his heart.

No but I am going back thru the last 50 to find it now.......

I think this might be the link you are looking for:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_volledig_leeg.html

Just looked at it and no.... the one I refer to is dubbed over with english voices and transcribed below as well in English....I think it was from 20/20 and I cannot find it at all on Youtube.  I have just jumped thru all of the last 50 postpages and cannot find it there and can't seem to go back beyond those to the ones beforehand.. hmmm I know I didn't dream it....... I'll keep searching. It bothered me the first time and still..... thanks for your help.

Joran persona non grata on Aruba
Rudy Croes says "except for judicial research he is no longer welcome here"
Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law which makes it possible to explain them undesirable.
"Joran is now the first example of a Dutchman who is not needed on Aruba"
Legally they can not refuse Joran entry to Aruba, but they do not want Joran to return.
Ministry of Justice has also started examining if a cell phone was smuggled into prison.

This is the segment in Dutch (at 5:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSst4q1-yjY

"Ze zegt niks, ze zegt niks, ze zegt niks, dus ik pak haar op..."

and then Patrick interupts him (wish he hadn't done that that often)

My translation would be

"She doesn't say a thing, so I pick her up..."

The way he says it would suggest to me that he either put her in an upright position, or that he actually picked her up, perhaps to move her like he said, into the bushes. Difficult to tell.

teacat, try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf8jYQceQPQ&feature=related

does van der straaten own a boat - anyone know?

Sorry.  Nice time for Janet to be offing skiing.  She's the BOMB at references. 

San, at some point, could you have CBB email me to my AOL addy please?  TY

I understand what you mean. I have seen string from kites left entangled in trees and bushes or such for many years without blowing away.
That is an excellent thought, but there are no mangroves where he said he hid her. There are plenty on the island, but not where he was speaking of.
First they need to know exactly where (IF) he hid her in the bushes. They would need  to know the truth (like that's going to happen :roll: ). Otherwise, they won't know where to look for any hairs and even if they did...those hairs would be 'taken care of' immediately.

okay...no that's not it......<plod, plod, plod>

He lives very close to me...not in Tornado country.

again, no this is not it either but you guys are GREAT to be looking......... I'm still going thru the archives......

Royal Caribbean was (and still may be) involved in a joint venture with a Spanish company. I believe the company or the venture was called Pullmantur. (or something like that). That was where the Harbor project came from

Not hard to find info on it. RCL is a public company.

Nothing to do with Paulus VanderSloot, his pathetic wife or his physcopath child(ren),

fwiw.

EXCELLENT WORDS!!! I agree, you are 100% right. I too have had experience with such people and this is very true, indeed.

I found his last post as well, ...and I have no idea why he isn't back here.

You're probably correct BUCKSHOT.

But the citizens of the world are the jury who are handing down the life sentences.  ::MonkeyDance::

imoo

well I dismissed that response too quickly.... YES this is the moment and that is the actual words and you translated it verbatim which is what I was curious about. THANK YOU!

Translation can really change meanings! THanks for clarifying.

teacat

I'm quite sure this is the segment you refer to.

j: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody.

p: Of course no one is there, it's night time Joran.

j: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her...

j: She doesn't say a thing, she doesn't say a thing, so I pick her up...

etc.

I can see why they would translate it as "so I take her" in the meaning I lift her up and carry her (away).

The thing is the wording he uses (pak haar op) is similar like in English to pick something up. Like pick up a piece of paper from the floor. Its not the word one would use when talking about a body. Then he should have said "ik tilde haar op" (I lifted her up).

Jorans Dutch is really poor. The way he talks its really hard to imagine this guy was going to university. Could be because he was raised on Aruba, I dont know but he speaks like a ten year old.

I have heard from Robots in each of the last two days while he is missing and he is fine.  He is just working and busy.

.

Hi nut...I'm looking for an old post of yours and I saw one for early December where you asked if there where any pay phones on Aruba...LOL...but I don't suppose you can remember why you asked? TIA

NorthernStar.....

Great work... I had 7 pages open, searching thru archives and watching responses and looking at YouTube and mixed up your video with another and the result was a disaster! I'm glad I opened your link again to doublecheck. THere is was at 5:00, just like I remembered except without the english overtalk and subtitles, just like you said it would be and so you got a clear sound. Thank you for your work.

Y'all are all so devoted to this cause.... I truly hope there will be justice for Natalee and the family at the end. This really has me in a knot.

just some thoughts - not fully thought through.

at the moment joran is really under de facto house arrest. he can't go anywhere.
if he steps outside, he won't be lynched straight away - but soon after that he will be.

important thing is that he stays separated from paul vds. crucial!
i am almost sure they've got a wiretapping warrant. i mean, we are not all stoned, trust me.
so they monitor all his communications apart form with his lawyer.
i don't think he can speak confidential with all the other lawyers who are spinning his lies in NY on tv.

maybe they should put him on suicide watch.
they really should examine him by a psychiatrist. but they can't force that. he is still a free man.
there is a possibility in theory that his parents apply for forced psychiatric detention if a psychiatrist approves that.
but paul vds wont do that. and they are in aruba of course.
the detention order is given by the mayor of the city where he is resident.
maybe her granny has balls enough to apply for that detention.
i am sure any a psychiatrist approves it.

he might be crazy enough to takes his life to save daury a.k.a. paul vds.
god knows what goes on in this guys head, he might think he is jesus himself - he seems to think he can decide over the life and death of other human beings.

i don't see any future for him.
either prison and TBS sentence for life.
or suicide by himself, cop or lynchmob.

i just CANNOT see him in a work environment not even in the criminal sector.
maybe he thinks he can - because he thinks he is so smart - but he just doesn't realize how he is hated, distrusted, nobody will believe A SINGLE WORD he says.
impossible to work anywere. not even harvesting potatoes by hand.

one scary thought. he can attempt some major frankenstein plastic surgery.
but... who is going to do that for him??? for a lot of money and Joran's word that he won't kill the surgeon???
because the surgeon can expose him.
is the surgeon going to believe this? NO!
so he has to do it himself, or let Paul vdS do that.

and then Paul vdS he has no future too of course but i haven't thought too much about his survival options.

god, what a horrific trainwreck that Van der Sloot family  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well it looks like we are two beats behind each other or on top of each other.... as you write to me, I am writing to you and our posts are on lagtime....hahahahahahahah.... Yes you are right, for sure!

As for that "speaking like a 10 yr old"   I learned a foreign language thru my grandmother and when I visited the old country and spoke with people, they thought I was from another century. I was using words,. expressions and salutations that had not been heard for decades!!!! Too funny.... they kept asking why and where I learned this language! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Again thank you for your assistance. Much appreciated!

He lovessssss to joke with his age. No way he is that old, lol. He has teenage kids. If he is 89, then he sure is one hell of a sturdy Robots ;) hehe hehe. I think he is ok, just not sure why he left that way.

Bump.  [ Well said, Tyler ]

Morning all, teacat I agree, this group has been so devoted to the quest for Natalee. I stay too busy with work and selling my home and moving now to contribute much but I so appreciate those who do. God bless them all.

I did see this article in Newsweek and even though it's not directly related to the case it is indirectly related to much debate which occurred here at SM around this case, between some dutch posters and at times myself. My trip to Amsterdam at age 17 blew me away for they did take you near but not into the Red Light District on standard tours. Just a peek revealed more than I could rationalize at that time, primarily for I had a very progressive upbringing that didn't buy into women as commodities. Well lo and behold it appears that the district will be closed soon and due to the elements that thrive around the human trafficking. So to all the posters who fought with us about the wonderful 'freedom' of sexual pursuit in Holland, well every freedom has a measure of cost. I'm glad to hear they are closing it, it's an aberration to modern women who feel they have more value than as just a sex object.

That's all Natalee was to Joran, a sex object. He represents the underbelly of it all just as his father and Oduber and Rudy Croes and that stupid Arlene do. Arlene is all about the money folks, I promise you she and Renho have that in common.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109373?gt1=10856

Tsk tsk... I never make mistakes ::MonkeyTongue::

Glad you got you answer.
 ::MonkeyWink::

And as with all mutual attractions, when each party receives strength from the other, the sum of 1+1 = 3 due to synergy!!!!!!!!!!!!!Joran never expected to have to deal with a Beth enriched by the synergy of her supporters, who in return are enriched by the synergy of Beth:) The combining of Beth and her supporters created Hurricane Beth and Company that is striking Aruba cleansing the island, exposing the graft, spanking Joran's young ass so hard he can't even sit foot in Aruba any more, causing him to wail like a baby on the television sets of the world.

I realize that this is a stretch, but it is a little unusual so I will be brave and type the thought. Betico Croes was the liberator of Aruba. He was a school teacher who fought for Aruba's independence from Holland and who had a vision of Aruba as a mecca for tourism. He felt if Aruba was free to develop it's tourism trade that its citizens could create a high standard of living for themselves and good lives. He was killed in an auto accident the night Aruba was liberated and many think it wasn't an accident, so he never got to see his dream come true, and of course his dream was derailed by the likes of his son, Rudy Croes, who has sold the island out for personal greed. However, despite Rudy's guilt, Betico remains a folk hero in Aruba and is the source of his son's political power. I found nothing but good about Betico.

Isn't it a little strange now that Beth and Company Hurricane is cleansing the island as we speak, and that BETICO was the liberator of Aruba?

Tyler I agree, to sexually violate Natalee and throw her into the ocean, the son of a then-judge, there is no excuse for.

Bottom line, educated people do not act like savages. This was a savage murder, something one sees happen in impoverished countries where human life has little value, not in the free world.

Natalee wasn't part of some drug ring, or caught up in illegal activities that might have placed her in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was in a very public and well advertised tourist bar and eatery.

This was savages that are sick and depraved people, nothing more and nothing less. Now at least when they step out of Aruba and that means that entire disgusting and depraved VDS family they are now PARIAHS.

That is at is should be, one can only hope a criminal decides to torment them as they did Natalee and her family.

an eye for an eye....

1-800-TELL-SLOOT   [ just kidding ]

Well, wayyyyyyyyy back when he once said that Natalee said (we know Nat didn't say this, but this is what Joran once said) she was rich and she lived on a plantation with slaves... :roll: lol. So he once again contradicts whae he said before in what Nat supposedly told him about 'her social status'. He is one *&^*&^ up dude.

PE- yes Hurricane Beth and she's had a mission that will cascade far beyond her personal loss. Betico, that is a very interesting coincidence, isn't it?

Just looking at that horrible Rudy Croes is a nightmare, it's a miracle he can get any women or man to step into bed with him. blech !!!

Peaches, I don't have your email address.  I used to have a lot but I don't have them anymore.  If you still have mine email me and I will forward the message to CBB via PM on the forum.

Hopefully Klaas will see the message also and she will send your message to CBB.

He wouldn't have picked her to target, imo.  He/they probably had visions of all Alabamians living in one room shacks with no electricity and no indoor plumbing, etc. and being REAL dumb.

teacat try this link.  Carpe has captured most them and posted links on this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9.msg341474#msg341474

Private Eye, when I watched Beth on Greta this week I found myself stating this one thing to Greta on that TV screen, over and over again. I think RU needs to read it too, we do need to all remember Beth having the courage to go confront Deepak in the Internet Cafe and offer him the opportunity to both tell the truth and gain protection in front of the eyes of the world.

He refused. What courage she's demonstrated throughout.

World, you need to know Beth Twitty is very smart and committed and courageous

BETH WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG. SHE WAS RIGHT. DON'T YOU DARE FORGET THAT

What Joran never expected was to meet a Mother who has simply kicked his ass for almost 3 years, 24 hours day, from every direction he turned. And he never knew that Beth had a gang of her own, The Band of Scared Monkeys, and another one, the Righteous Of the World, whom she would unleash on his young ass biting and scratching him merciless, until he broke down in front of the world and tells the truth.

Today kids aren't taught by the media that the might of the right is greater than the forces of evil, so this has been a learning experience for Joran. The strength of Beth comes not from money, social standing, or political pressure, it comes from the hand of the Lord, the power of the righteous, and as usual, those forces are impossible to resist.

I agree Nonesuche.

warning:complete ramblings about to occur:brainstorming out loud:comments very welcome

at cnc: dk/sk-derivation of administered drugat bar(lorenzo, ultimate supplier-may or may not be true, would not imply him in crime,just could be possible)

dk leads nh to car from cnc. jvds walking closeby en route to car.

according to possible routes driven, may or may not have dropped sk off at his house. sk and jvds could have dropped off dk.

definite stop at or near jvds house. pick up something (condoms, drugs-coke,weed, vehicle) or stop by freddys(camera return)

maybe stay at jvds. will not explore that in my ramblings. definitely not ruled out and very, very possible pool party at house with missing anita.

drive continues towards lighthouse area(present: dk,jvds,nh. probably-sk.maybe-freddy. could replace dk for sk, but more than likely as stated)

lighthouse area would substantiate rock scene,head injury,rape for sure-something bad happened(nh convulsing,blood,head injury leading to convulsion)

was daddy called immediately, or called thirty to an hour later (still considered immediately) because boys present thought they could handle situation like true 'pimps,thugs,gangsters' would. could explain others involvement, knowledge. "man,come up here-check this shit out.you will never believe what happened"

back at vds and k home(s) eventually, guessing 230-330am: vds(browsing net,messaging through hotmail)-freddy,val,or pvds. k(friend from florida,messaging through hotmail)-whichever k was home. computer manipulated records could have occurred here, which would allow for other scenarios from both homes. only brought up to show expertise in manipulating records, if necessary-dk.

what do these clues mean. i do not know: (1)spotting by gardener at racquet club of 4 people in a car by racquest club. did he confirm dk car, through description, or just a car. of 4 if true, you would think dk, jvds, nh, and who else. is this story even true. (2) break-in of fh(knife,trap,what else went unnoticed)where does this fit in to scenario besides sc was reported to have done it. does that mean sc was definitely in the disposal. what about sg or kg.

the boys knew sg(maybe kg) were on boat that evening (boat proposal to jvds earlier). boys knew sc had access to boat(little dingy boat that took people to tattoo,parked closeby in water). was either boat used right away or did coordination happen a day or two later, after coordination. or was ocean never used-incinerator or landfill plan by pvds. pvds had to eventually be the mastermind. i think this is way too obvious. did vanderstraaten have boat. if one of jvds first calls went to pvds, then one of pvds first calls went to vanderstraaten.dirty hand.

tidbit. i think. vds and gottenbos good friends. vds and vanderstraaten good friends. a=b and b=c, then a=c. gottenbos good friends with vanderstraaten. if he did not have boat and only helped sabotage, gottenbos would not been hard to arrange even after that night of sg,kg being on boat. boat got cleaned.left island and 2 businesses. if boat used after first night, or incinerator/landfill, nh body would have to come to vds residence or be hidden well(or stored).

i stopped here. but will make a couple of observations before revisiting my theory.

blocked search at vds by wit:(1) yukky clothes(muddy,bloody) in house(2)people at house that could not be seen(3)other evidence in house(4)body in house/on premises.

in addition to help in cover up of crime, sabotage of investigation: a couple of lucky bounces help those responsible. an example that i hadn't thought of before.certain rumors can easily turn in to fact. suspects do not dispute because it may help their cause by distancing the truth.

may or not be tied to above paragraph, pvds at atm/mcdonalds at 4am. why would he be here. a much closer atm, he was not eating, and probably did not pick up jvds or jvds/nh in the lights of a mcd parking lot. then why. it definitely pulls his wherabouts from sleeping man to 'out-and-about man' that night. he wa doing something.

if rock painting is true, it has something to do with crime scene. as good of a spot as any for isolated rape. rock painting implies direct cover-up. additional crime by pro-actively obstructing justice.

im done rambling for now. will revisit my brainstorming later.

feel free to disprove my ramblings or add to them.

i have a feeling only perpetrators will know exact details, to the minute, of that night. we will eventually know bits and pieces and tie them together over time, but will never know every last detail of the night.


 

he has a myspace account i posted it sometime this week now i lost the link

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Hi Mum...I am still reading back, catching up. I think we were discussing phone records and why a call may not show on those records. I thought ... :scratch: :idea: PAY PHONE!

OH...I FOUND IT>>>
lol....
Quote from: Nut44x4 on December 04, 2007, 06:15:26 PM
Are there pay phones on Aruba?

   Perhaps I should be asking Glenda...where there is a pay phone, there is often a street lamp 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2417.msg312535;topicseen#msg312535

i think he was just really surprised by Beth's determination to get her daughter back.
afterwards he thought it must be money or connections because Joran's sick brain doesn't get that mothers will go all the way to get a child back.

to me that sounds like Natalee was not Joran's first victim. i am quite convinced of that.
because how can he be surprised by the determination of a mother if you haven't  'dealt with' the determination of a previous mother.

like he had done the exact same thing before and lucky for him those parents where in so much pain and depression that they didn't have the energy left to keep searching and asking questions.

or does he really think he can just let a girl disappear and nobody will ask where she is??

this guy is a real predator.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm thinking that's what they're thinking/hoping....but, hey, maybe not.  However, that sounds par for the course.

Thanks Nut...I found the post of yours I was looking for after about an hour and then realized I had saved the darn thing....LOL


Thanks Blonde...I saw that, but was having such a time loading pages that I didn't click on any links or very few for a couple of days.

No wonder I got a porn forum.....

caesu...this was not his first victim...others came forward...and Dirty cop Jacobs dissuaded some not to testify. I am sorry I don't have links, but it was discussed on the forum and IIRC Beth did on TV as well.

caesu, JVDS said they had done it twenty other times and nothing bad had ever happened. 

He's a real piece of work.  Anita must be so proud. 

Plus, he read it at RU, lol. Perhaps HE is Jenna at RU, lol.  ;)

Thanks, Martini - who is Hirsch Ballin and what position of power does he have, do you know?

If a pay phone was used and the gardner's testimony is accurate...I say Racquet
Club.  Eight minute phone call to Deepak, meet up by racquet club and .....

Setar listing of phones:

Available Coin Phone Booth:[/b]

Adventure Golf
Alamo Rent-A-Car
Allegro Casino Aruba
Aruba Airport Authority
Aruba Blue Village
Aruba Golf Club
Aruba International Beach Club
Aruba Nautical Club
Aruba Ports Authority
Aruba Racquet Club N.V.
Arubus Terminal

http://www.setar.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=125

WE NEED TO BOYCOTT ARUBA EVEN MORE.

Until they address what happened and arrests are made.

The following people need to be punished for what they did:

Law enforcement:

Nelson Odobur
Rudy Croes
Van der Straaten
Dompig
Karin Janssen
Dennis Jacobs
Ben Vocking
Judges Smit and Witt

Criminals:

Paulus Van der Sloot
Joran Van der Sloot
Deepak Kalpoe
Satish Kalpoe
Guido Weaver
GVC
Koen Gottenbos
Sander Gottenbos
Lorenzo

Prostitutes:

Julia Renfro
Anita Van der Sloot

you Monkeys are so right...he was NOT expecting Beth!

He thought he would be in the clear...with daddy and everyone else in his corner.
And mommy thinking oh, my poor Joran all the girls want him, it's not his fault.

NO DOUBT this was NOT his first time doing this...he did say he has done this 20 times
before...BUT this time his little secret was found out. This time HE IS CAUGHT!

d

They own Moobas (spelling is not correct on name) the restaurant next to the Mariott.
He has a wife, Marlene.  Yes, if it is the same people with the info I have, their picture is in here.  They used to (MIP6) post at BFN, may still do.  They were some of the ones who used to really be pro sloot, etc, and seemed to be protected on that blog, I suppose for the information some of them thought they could gain from these people.  It was quite obvious. They were seeking information themselves, it seems. I sent Klaas a copy for whomever wants, or she can post.  Someone may know for sure.  I am pretty sure about this being them, as their picture is shown in some awards or something in aruba that I looked up quite a long time ago.     jack blue

He's from Redondo Beach,Ca and Lived in Texas among other places.  He is a year or two younger than PVDS ::MonkeyWink::

i am just rambling along.
i could also write it on a notepad but maybe it goes somewhere

this van der sloot family it just amazes me how messed up it is.
won't anita hate her son so much because she knows maybe how beth feels.
she must have some incling how beth feels as a mother (at the least after the car-tapes)

or is there some very complicated inverted oedipus syndrome going on in that family.
Peter R. said at Greta's that Anita "is a good loving mother but she doesn't know him (Joran)".

i wouldn't be al that surprised if joran and paul kill anita if things start to unfold.
of course that murder will be covered up too.
i mean paul is cheating on her that is established or isn't?

Well...we all have seen Joran with a ton of dark haired girls...Joran w/ a blonde is rare. Even he himself said he liked 'Ruth'...she has darker hair. We all know Paulus prefers the blondes... ie...his wife and Karin Janssen ;)

THe staff at the HI told Beth that Joran was always after the blondes. He had that blonde GF Fabiene,but all the rest I have seen had dark hair. Even the 7th grader  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/joran_blurred.jpg)

ok thanks i am still a learning.
there is so much...
please continue to correct me if i type something that is established wrong.

or if i ramble on in a wrong direction.

i don't know how long it takes for me to be fully up to date with everything.
i hope Peter R. solves it earlier so i don't even have to know all the horrific details of this Van der Sloot-trainwreck...

I certainly hope that all the girls who have slept with this delicious sporter had the benefit of effective birth control. 

I cannot imagine anything creepier than the thought that that POS may have reproduced however accidently.

Good catch Buckeye....I'm still trying to work through some Racquet Club things. Freddy said he was there with Joran the 31st, but Joran went home after his statement that day...Joran says he was there 5/30.....there is a reason for all the mix ups with those two days between Joran and Freddy.

TELL THE TRUTH FREDDY!!!!

Hirsch Ballin is the dutch justice minister

i don't really have a opinion on him
years ago he was also in the dutch cabinet.
he is a senior politician, many years in politics on and off.

nothernstar may be able to tell more about him.

http://www.parlement.com/9291000/biof/02963

Ramble on, honey. 

Mention of the fact the pimps had "done this 20 times before" wasn't meant to correct you at all.  I learn new stuff every day.  Or maybe I just remember new stuff every day.

We all ramble.  You never know where it might lead.   

Posted on the front page of SM:   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dutch wrote:

60% of the statements made by criminals are under infuance of drugs in the Netherlands, will all those people be relased now

My thought is do you think Joran knows he trees? also video 24 shows some kind of bush with footprints look.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/24349sec.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/24345sec.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/24331sec.jpg)

A bit of foreshadowing that I overlooked in the beginning was the phone call that some one mentioned that was listened to extensively and reported on widely that in the background they thought they heard a "Monkey Screeching", well they certainly did, only it was a pack of mad angry Monkeys!!!!!!!!!

Morning...talk about opening a can of worms....

Posted by MF at RU - warning..have no idea if this is true or some game:

February 9 2008:

It seems like that the phone belonged to PvdS or JvdS.

AFTER THAT NATALEE DISAPPEARED A CELPHONE WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND BEHIND THE LIGHTHOUSE

From very good sources and there is good indication that authorities are investigating a clue that apparently came to their ears.

Those or the one that might have found the cellphone apparently destroyed or not working anylonger, would have repaired this. When the cellphone was checked, it was discovered that apparently the cellphone belonged to JvdS or PvdS.

Uhmmmm, these are his exact words.... sounds to me like gossiping, and as the OM said they will not give any comment, I think the rumor will stay afloat for a while.

This case is getting alot of publicity!

I just checked one of the Husker football forums and there is a thread entitled "OT/What happened to Natalee Holloway"!

So don't think for one second that people aren't paying attention.  AHATA you are warned.  Cease with the BS and end this insanity.

By the way, those that had replied all said that all 3 boys are guilty and the last one posted that this "reeks of corruption".

Innocent people of Aruba - this will not end until those that were in charge are brought to justice as well.  Speak out and demand answers - how did the polis know Natalee had seizure like symptoms within 48 hours?  Simple - someone confessed and that is when the coverup began.

Posted by Glenda at RU:

I didn't buy the Diario today, so we'll have to wait until it is online..

The story is, a School Teacher found a cel phone by the light house several months after Natalee went missing. He dialed the last call and PvdS answered. He arranged to return the phone. He told the story many times to many people.

This week he was asked to give a statement and do a walk through of what occured on the day he found the gevangeniscel.

And probably 90% of all babies are made under the influence, and parents are still responsible fo their actions:))))))))))

The idea that "marijuana" made him do it is so ridiculous.  Science will not support his excuse for reasons someone who did better in science will have to explain.  TacoJoe is going along with this "reefer madness" defense is because it is finally dawning on him what a POS he has for a client.  He's on the losing team.  How will his vehement defense of the sporter influence his future?  Everyone with a TV has seen Taco sticking up for the scared widdle sporter who has now outed himself as a lying murdering POS.  The two of them are forever associated. 

"reefer madness"..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thank you kindly!  Now, after he crafts this law, what is the procedure to get it put into place and therefore viable??  Does it first go to a vote in the Parliament? What are the odds it will pass?

Sounds like the "evidence drawer" where they put all of the evidence from this case might be opening up.  I expect a few bones, clothing, the driver's license to magically appear before long.

Unreal.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Video%2024/bush.jpg)

Hurricane BetiCo Holloway?????????

pssst! San!

Paulus

San -- I did not mean any disrespect in the above post

I was just using the New Yorker 'pssst' to try to get your attention without anyone else noticing  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I KNOW how you feel about Paulus

"Reefer madness"..... now that is a blast from the past..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure I read something like this recently...but sure would explain using Anita's phone the night that Beth arrived....

Hey Beans! Yes it is totally unreal....
I have had experienced in the last couple of days too with people talking in the oddest places about the corruption and cover up. This definitely is not going away.People who had before not supported a boycott are now on board .It is going to get worse, much worse .....

I think your contributions have been huge and your company greatly enjoyed!!!!!!!!! You are what I consider to be the epitome of a good mother and a Scared Monkey. You take and fullfil your responsibility as a single parent and manage to help another mother in her hour, ok almost 3 years:), of need. What more can you expect of yourself?

Of course, that comment, with gender and personal responsibility adjustment where appropriate, applies to all Scared Monkeys:))))))))))

Great point MuminOhio! 

I just scratch my head and wonder - if you were the person that found that phone and knew it was Paulus' and you phoned the tipline, gave it to the polis, gave a statement... wouldn't you be wondering WTF?  I would be screaming mad and I would have taken it to Jossy or someone on the island to get the word out.

Makes me believe that the Arubans have been afraid to speak out.

All we hear coming out of Aruba and the government is how this case has hurt tourism. No sadness for Beth, no mention of how bad this was for Natalee that night.

We need to learn to call a spade a spade, so can we substitute "wore out whores" for Prostitute. Prositute is one who can sell their sexual favors, and the two hoes you mentioned are lucky if they can give it away.

Hi beans...I think I have that wrong...that was the last # dialed and Paulus answered. Would explain if he didn't want his phone checked, but then whose phone dialed Paulus number. They even asked about girls having cells in the PVs. Sander lost his and it was said that a lot of the pimps had two...of course not Joran.

I wish we had so many tears to cry for Aruba that we could cause the oceans to rise and swallow the island. When they mention "Global Warming" and the rising oceans I am always truly concerned and even a little frightened, but I do take a little satisfaction that maybe Aruba will finally go under and the world cleansed.

a law first has to go through second chamber
and then through first chamber (senate). then the queen signs it and it is law.


about this law.

the translate has it slightly wrong. it's about two different, separate things.

1. hirsch ballin doesn't want criminals from the antilles (and aruba quess) in the netherlands.
so he wants to make a law to sent them back to the antilles / aruba.


2. croes doesn't want joran in aruba anymore only for judicial investigations.

the background is:

croes doesn't like criminal antillian being send back to aruba.
so he says, ok i don't want joran anymore here now.

but if you ask me and about hirsh ballin's law and i think about the dutch public opinion...
this law won't get passed.

it is just hirsch ballin sending a message to croes: stop sending me criminal antillians or i send them back.
and now croes is sending a message back: if you do that than also stop sending me criminal dutchies.

(i am not making this up)  ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks for that explanation.  I think I have a simple solution.

How about if they put the criminals in JAIL instead of sending them away?

Example
Arubans prosecute and jail those that commit crimes on their island
Dutch prosecute and jail those that commit crimes in Holland

Voila problem solved.  No passing the buck.

Thanks, my Dutch is not very good
Either is my English ;)

Please help me draft the new undesirable law~

5-5 Undesirable Law

1) If you look like Joran van der Sloot you can not enter Aruba

2) If you act like Joran van der Sloot you can not enter Aruba

3) If you are Joran van der Sloot you can not enter Aruba



 ::MonkeyWink::

Did Paulus go to see Charles Croes the next day and not the bank?....someone lost a cell phone!!!!

i know. it's bloody ridiculous. this goverment is a joke.
joran is still smoking weed as we speak.
i can go on about this very a very long time - but it will be unrelated to aruba.

dutch governments are always lame duck.
because of coalition governments. more parties in the government.
so one party might have a good plan but he has to mix it up with two other parties.
and then you get one big BAD plan.
so the dutch government is split from the inside.

a bit like now with bush. DEM congress is working against REP bush. nothing gets done

O /T
Adrian Jaimes Amber Alert is cancelled...he is SAFE!!!!
Klaas or San, could you mark the header as so? Thanks.

Everybody, including Beth occasionally lets their hair down and speaks just a little off color or broken French when feeling extremely frustrated. I have alluded to this earlier, but Christmas I got to spend a little time with Beth as we lived on the same block our entire childhood and our families still live there so holidays I get to visit with her. She had her laptop sitting on her Mom's kitchen table, and she called me over and said, "Does that face not look like the ass of a goat?" I was afraid she had gotten out some old photographs and was making fun of one of my childhood pictures so I was a little leery to get up and look. Luckily, she was pointing to Rudy Croes face. Now everytime I look at him, all I can do is stare and think, well you know, it kind of does:))))))))))))

I know for some of you it might seem odd that we knew what a goats ass looked like, but we grew up in families where everyone farmed but us in a town located in the Delta, so we had seen a lot of goats in our life.

Her Mom glanced at the photo and simply remarked, "Just like it":))))))))))

But whether you see that resemblance or not, someone should make a Halloween Mask out of his photo as it is one ugly scary mug!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it a wonder that he has to resort to kidnapping women as sex slaves, 3 no less. Even he knows that too much repetitive viewing of his face will kill the strongest of women, and they need a certain amount of time to recover from each pitiful encounter, no matter how brief and uninspiring they are.

Remember
According to Shango the list is 46.

In the 60's it was said that marijuana released one from thier inhibitions and caused them to better express their inner feelings. Is Timothy Leary still alive?

I know this is off topic but did they say who took him, like his Dad maybe?

Hell...Joran even talked about getting high in jail...he can have a phone, drugs, pot, sex ...wtf, just like home and free food.

O /T
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=199869

Caps...do you want to add some more names to that list?

Freddy needs to be on there and I bet there are a few 'elders' that aren't on there yet. 

The Aruban prosecutors released a statemenent as well:
Oranjestad, Aruba
To all media
From the Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 8, 2008
Pages 1

The Public Prosecutor’s Office doesn’t fail to notice that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway draws a lot of interest from media and general public. However, this interest seems to be turning into a witch-hunt in which several persons are being harassed.
The Public Prosecutor’s Office regards this as not acceptable. In the first place, without any confirmation persons are being labeled as a suspect, and harassed as such. In the second place, journalistic investigations and the subsequent reporting thereof, at a time the investigative team is still busy trying to get an answer to many questions, can seriously harm the criminal investigation. Not only does it cause a lot of unrest, or may generate misinformation, it may also harm the outcome of the investigation itself, e.g. when witnesses questioned by the judge at trial can’t be sure if they witnessed something themselves or they know a fact from the media.

Same old mob style BS shows that they still are protecting Phallus VanDer Sloot. He is apparently being harrassed, isnt that great?

We certainly agree on that. I think she feels a great deal of validation, and that makes me very sad that she even doubted that anyone who mattered questioned her credibility. And can you imagine having to deal with that while grieving for a lost daughter, or even worse, worrying that she might be held as a kidnapped sex slave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is why I hate the people involved in the cover up more than even Joran. He is a nit wit, a pitiful, genetically shorted teenager raised in an environment, that to be kind, I will call simply lacking. He was immature, could have been drunk, etc, The adults in the cover up have been cold, calculating, deliberate, hateful, just down right cruel. They have caused Beth to suffer immensely, needlessly for all of the wrong reasons. Their behavior towards Beth has even harmed the nitwit himself, robbing him of the chance to be appropriately punished, taught a lesson, and then released to be given a chance for a normal life. In addition to nitwit, I imagine this response of the parents of Aruba have caused a lot of damage to nitwits siblings that is going to cause them to suffer thru out their life time. Am I excusing Joran, hell no, but I don't expect as much out of a teenage boy as I do a collective set of adults with a high level of education and a comfortable level of affluence. In fact I blame them for him/

Nothing is sweeter than a happy ending for a family.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2008-02-07-0007.html

Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 - 02:41 PM Updated: 03:26 PM
By Jennifer Hale

Thursday, Aruban prosecutors are scheduled to meet with Joran van der Sloot in Holland. Van der Sloot has not been arrested - he's meeting with prosecutors voluntarily.

The topic of discussion: his secretly recorded confession. If convicted in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, van der Sloot could face as little as a few months in jail or as much as life in prison, but first it will take a lengthy legal battle to even bring him into court.

According to Dutch and Aruban law, Joran van der Sloot's secretly taped confession by itself isn't strong enough to have him re-arrested, let alone bring him to trial, since he now says he made the story up. But van der Sloot's confession is giving prosecutors some new clues where to look for additional evidence, and Natalee's family has more insight into what may have happened to her.

Van der Sloot's confession is hitting Natalee's family hard. Van der Sloot says he was lying, but Natalee's family says for once - they think he's being honest.

"Oh absolutely - I watched him intently: his mannerisms, his tone of voice. I'm absolutely sure that's the truth., " says Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle and Beth Holloway's brother.

It's not just a gut feeling either. Natalee's father Dave Holloway arranged for the confession to be tested through voice analysis equipment that detects lies. Holloway says the test's result: a truthful, valid statement. Except Holloway believes the story goes on from there.

"A lot of people on tv are afraid to say it, but I'm not: I think there's more to it, " says Dave Holloway.

He suspects van der Sloot slipped Natalee drugs - a common practice in Aruba's night clubs. Holloway says a detective warned him about it the first day he arrived in Aruba.

"He repeatedly told us, and I'll never forget: He says watch your drink around here because drugs are prevalent and somebody may slip something into it," says Holloway.

One of the more common drugs in Aruba: GHB, also known as the Date Rape Drug in America, but in Aruba it's commonly used as a party drug, one you can even order at some bars.

"You can buy a drink and pay a bartender $25, and he'll put it in it, " says Holloway.

In his confession, van der Sloot described Natalee's condition on the beach that night: trembling, that turned into shaking and then nothing...an unconscious state van der Sloot says he couldn't wake Natalee from... symptoms Samford University's Dr. Pam Sims says could describe someone who's been given GHB.

"Generally when they pass out, it looks like a coma. They are not arousable. That is generally caused because they're blood pressure drops so low, " says Dr. Pam Sims, Pharmacy Chair at Samford University.

In his confession, van der Sloot says he checked to see if Natalee was dead before deciding to drop her in the ocean, but Dr. Sims warns that's a call van der Sloot wasn't qualified to make.

"Lay people may not be able to detect pulses that are very faint or breathing that's very shallow or irregular," says Dr. Sims.

If van der Sloot's confession is true - Natalee may have been alive when she was thrown into the ocean.

"He claims he shook her and she didn't arouse- that doesn't mean she's dead, " says Dr. Sims.

"We try not to think about because it's too painful to imagine," says Reynolds.

Dutch media reports claim fifty percent of Holland's population watched the tv report about the secretly recorded tapes. Newspapers are full of stories and opinion columns about the alleged confession. Now the country's Parliament is bitterly debating whether lawmakers should step in and review how the case is being handled.  

Aruba's chief prosecutor is fighting to have van der Sloot re-arrested and brought to trial, but so far a Dutch judge says no.

"He put the threshold very, very high because this is the third consecutive time you've asked me for this in two and a half years time. Well, this is serious, but he thought it didn't meet his threshold, " explains Aruba's Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos.

If an arrest happens, this would be the third time Aruba has taken van der Sloot into custody for Natalee's disappearance. Every time the prosecution asks for permission to re-arrest, their burden of proof increases.

According to Aruban law, a suspect's own words can't be used against him and there's no such thing as perjury. Consequently, a judge needs something to back up van der Sloot's confession. However, right now, there are several reasons the judge doubts van der Sloot's confession:  

The accomplice van der Sloot says dumped Natalee's body has come forward and says the story is made up. The phone booth van der Sloot says he used to call the accomplice is actually a credit card only phone for tourists that just connects to the United States. Plus, van der Sloot says he abandoned his shoes the night Natalee died in a drain on his walk home, but Aruba doesn't have street-side drains.

The Aruban Prosecutor's Office says investigators are searching for the needed back up evidence. If they can find it, they are considering charging van der Sloot with:

Aiding and Abetting First Degree Murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment; Injury to Health Causing Death, which carries a sentence of six to nine years; Accidental Death, a sentence of up to nine months; Illegal Disposal of a Corpse, a sentence of up to six months and Not Giving Aid to Someone in Need, which also carries a sentence of up to six months.

If van der Sloot is ever brought to trial and convicted, he would get credit for the time he's already served in jail. Aruba's Prosecutor expects a higher court to answer his appeal to re-arrest van der Sloot by next Tuesday.

Hell he should confess and asked to be sentenced to Arkansas' State Penetiniary, Cummins. The mates there will give him all of the sex he wants, and then some. They'll even dress him up in night gowns and make him Queen of the Pen!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw a similar thread on a WOODWORKNG forum ::MonkeyDance::

and it was like 20 pages long - all recent posts!!

I agree private eye..... teenagers have to learn that although they feel they are old enough to have their freedom that with that freedom comes a responsibility to do the right thing.The adults in Joran's life have done him no favors.They have continued throughout his life to make excuses for him, to cover up for him and sadly we are seeing the end result.

I do feel that growing up in the environment he did, given what we know that he probably stood not much of a chance to learn common decency and respect. My mind keeps going back to the statement made by his grandfather , which only confirms in my mind that all of his life people have made excuses for him and thus allowed him to continue on his path of self-destruction.

It boggles my mind as I am at this minute dealing with a teenager who is pissed because he is not allowed to go to a friends house this afternoon. I can see how much easier it would be to just give in and shrug ones shoulders and let them have their way. I have personally chosen to stand by my word that my son is grounded until the progress report comes home on Monday with better grades.I am torn as my son and I have always had a great relationship, but also stand firm as a parent that he has to learn that there are consequences for your actions and one must learn that as my granny always said, " if you're gonna play the fiddler ... you gotta pay the price".... I think that is how it goes anyway......

ARUBA....it is time to pay the price!!!

Like that old burt reynolds movie..The longest yard..He will be a super star  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am confused ... I thought that Hans Mos was persuing the arrest of Joran van der Sloot and ... it was the judge who was standing in the way.

I now I am behind but ... did the judge approve the arrest and ... now the prosecution is hesitating?

Janet

++++++++++++


http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/New-decision-next-week-on-Joran-arrest-.html

8 February 2008

ORANJESTAD – The public prosecution department on Aruba announced on Friday that it will decide next week whether to arrest Joran van der Sloot once again.  

Last week the examining judge dismissed a request from the public prosecution department to take the man suspected of Natalee Holloway's murder into custody. An appeal was filed against this decision on Tuesday.

His star will certainly burn bright there, and I expect he will have a new found appreciation for right of a potential sex partner to say NO when he is released, bowlegged as he undoubtedly will be:)))))))))

That is not all she had (the seizure symptoms) or they could have explained it away much easier.  He probably pushed her in the water and she drifted back and he reburied her, he and those with him.  That girl was probably beat to death and Joran left his initials on her body somewhere.  That piece of crap and his cohorts and father and friends deserve hell.  That cop knew the marks on her body would not fly as an accidental drowning, so he starts thinking Joran belongs in a mental institution.  Paulus wouldn't have it, so they decided to make her into somone who asked for it and got drunk and then drowned, after falling, hitting her head, etc.  That is why, they put her in the water before she died, most likely.  Evidence and witnesses were turning in evidence to numbers where they were just taking the information and using it to form a defense and destroy the evidence and find out who knew what.  They are a wicked group.  They all will burn in hell.        jack blue
       Jack Blue

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3717/6/#jc_allComments

J.v.d.S. interoga na Rotterdam


24ora's report...love some of the comments. Love the one where someone says they smell somthing "stinkie" LOL!


Very hard to translate and understand fully, but I get most of them, lol.

It is hard to stand strong when the person you love more than life itself is sitting there acting as if they hate you or you are ruining their life. All you want for them is to have the best life possible. Parents can hopefully enjoy their children, but their job and responsibility is to train them to live their own life.

Me too nut.... I can only red those for short periods at a time , as I start getting a headache due to the translations...

Yes, it is hard, but me, I would much rather spend an afternoon and evening with a pouty , pissed off 16 year old than have to visit him in prison someday because he never learned that one must be responsible for ones actions....something that obviously no one in Joran's pathetic little life has ever made him learn.

Now, I really must do something about the door slamming issue....

Found this in my email box.....be sure to read the comments ;)

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Spring Break for Teens in Aruba, I Don’t Think So
After years of waiting, the parents of Natalee Holloway get to hear what happen to their daughter on a video out of the mouth of Joran van der Sloot, the young man who was the last to see Natalee alive. It seems, from the video, that he knew all along what happened to Natalee. Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother, said on Greta Van Susteren’s show last night, she felt vindicated after seeing the tape. Guess the authorities in Aruba should have a dose of her mother’s intuition, since they were unable to do anything about this.
It is hard enough to allow/watch your teen or young adult travel. They are bound to make some mistakes and trouble can find them. But to not be able to trust the country’s authorities? I know you feel the same way I do when I say: Not this parent – not my kid! I know a lot of teens who like to travel, they’ve been to Europe and a couple are planning another trip. With the competitiveness of the travel industry, you have to wonder what Aruba is thinking? If your teen wants to go somewhere fun, beautiful and beachy this year for spring break, it’s my humble opinion you should cross Aruba off his/her list. I feel it's an issue of trust, I trust Aruba the least because of how the investigation was handled. What do you think?

Try these places instead:

Cancun Resort Choices
Disneyland Vacations (around the world)
Top 10 Spring Break Hot Spots for 2008 from the Student Travel Guide
More: Protecting the Gift : Keeping Children and Teenagers Safe (And Parents Sane)

Thursday February 7, 2008 | comments (8)
Spring Break for Teens in Aruba, I Don’t Think So
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Guess the authorities in Aruba should have a dose of her mother’s intuition, since they were unable to do anything about this. ...

When I was out of town last week and could only read here a bit, I saw a t-shirt here with Natalee's photo and a caption saying something like "I stand with the girl."

Is that a shirt that is available at Cafe Press?

TY

It is difficult to comprehend that Rudy Croes has just clued into the truth.  It was less than a month ago that he was requesting Hans Mos to investigate the family based on the words of those two loonies.

Janet.

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Translation: EURobert

Joran no longer welcome on Aruba

“Except for judicial inquiry Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome,” says the Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes. The minister has suspect Joran van der Sloot named persona non grata on the island.

Aruban problem-youth

Croes sees his remark also in the light of the package of measures that the Dutch government has agreed to deal with the Antillean and Aruba problem-youth (in Holland). Minister of Justice, Ernst Hirsch Ballin, prepares a law that enables to declare them undesirable.

First unwanted Dutchman

“Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman who is not wanted on Aruba,” says Minister Croes, who knows that it is legally impossible to actually deny him access to the country to deny. “But I don’t want to have him here.”

http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2008/02/joran_overschaduwt_reis_balken.html

This isn't a witch hunt, it is a specific demand for justice for all of those involved directly or by omission of doing their legal duties. As such, I think it is time for the OM's of Aruba to STFUP and instead send Rudy Croes up to the WHIPPING table of justice so he can receive his ASS WHIPPING since he is at the head of the list and we will work our way down.

But I repeat, I for one have had enough edicts from you pompous, ignorant, filthy, guilty ministers of greed and graft, and I want you to all to STFUP. The play is over,and it is time to get your butts spanked. Arubagate needs to begin to cleanse the island of graft and corruption. Hurricane Betico Holloway is blowing your way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with 150+mph winds and what you don't clean, the hurricane will. And Rudy, I know your Dad is in heaven with Natalee calling for your ass to be spanked hard, real hard. Your life has been a huge disappointment for him and a source of shame.

Remember all of the people who have nicely asked you all to quit harassing Beth and to stop defaming Natalee!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember all of the innuendo you attempted to spread to hurt Jug? And you have the nerve to call something UNACCEPTABLE???????????

Daury = Steve Croes

Here is why I believe this~

Steve Croes has taken Emergency Medical Technician (EMT)training. He has some skills which could be useful to Joran when he was in a panic about Natalee's seizure.

Not yet BTgirl - I'll be sure and let everyone know if/when it is. 

EMT Steve Croes is a different Steve Croes than the DJ Steve Croes.  2 different people.

No mum, I have spent hours "spinning my wheels" so to speak.  There are soooooo many Wever's it's incredible!  Does anyone here have the VDS family tree?  I found one at one time that I thought could have been PVDS' not including his branch, with many brothers/sisters that had died in infancy, but I can't even find that one now.  There is so much more info on the web concerning the family since the shows that it's hard to find any older information now.  I'd read in a forum (Dutch, I believe) that PVDS did not marry AVDS until she was expecting the second son.... there were also comments regarding his being a "womanizer" there.  I was actually looking for other information at the time and  I thought I'd saved it to check into later but can't find it now.  I don't know if this is true, and have tried to research this unsuccessfully.  Not that it matters, but I'd thought of it often while reading AVDS comments about LVR and am frankly just curious if it is true.  I'm doing this and talking to hubby about something else so I hope this makes sense, lol. 

It's time to face the inevitable.

It's time to throw open the door of KIA and release all inmates. How can a society have selective prosecution?  It's not fair that someone has been convicted of murder -ala-YC or Tromp... or et al.

It's time to free the wrongfully convicted and allow them to "MOVE ON".

To give them a chance at an ebbjamaksion. Of course - tax payer funded. It's the least they can do. Followed by a cushy government job paying a minimum of 200,000 florins per year.

Wipe the slate clean and allow those poor unfortunate souls to re-join their families and for the government to finally admit they should have never been convicted in the first place.

It's time for everyone to move on and allow the healing to begin.

{{{sarcasm included at no extra charge}}}

That is going to be the slogan of the whole Natalee incident. Who first coined it specific to this?

Darn  :2brickwall:

DJ Steve Croes:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=30740772

EMT Steve Croes:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=227654012

I am thinking Steve probably did help him out on describing symptoms that would look like a seizure, or maybe Palus looked them up on the i-net so before they called in the coverups who saw immediately it would not fly, they all decided to "no body, no case."
Just too much revealing evidence, I would say.  Too many bite, bruise marks and perhaps kick marks.  Too many things that "seizures" just would not hold up.  Not even a "she just fell and hit her head on the way back into the HI where we returned her."
Yes, and now that Joran has shown his true colors to the world, there are some people sweating besides Palus.         Jack Blue