Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Ahhh man! what did we have to move for the party was just getting started. ::MonkeyWaa::

In case you guys missed this while you were partying  ::MonkeyHaHa::.  Posted by caesu in the previous thread:

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

you probably already seen this but patrick put a link to SM on his blog

Do I dare come out now that Klaas is back?

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/867511/smileydoorhide.gif)

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Took a nap, woke up just in time, lol

Moszkowicz was not in the show tonight. ::MonkeyConfused::

Is that the Jensen show?  Too bad it would have been interresting.

Klaas.....O/T

Autopsy confirms body is Janna Kelly; homicide is cause of death
please mark thread, ty.

Thanks Nut - done

Wrong link for BFN

caesu

Did that say that Mos didn't prosecute because Rudy pressured him no to prosecute or Mos didn't prosecute despite the pressure from Rudy??   :smt102

Yes, he forgot the (s) in Blogs

Thanks Klaas, I had not seen it!  And I missed the party... ::MonkeyWaa::
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

about the "buoy toll" that was mentioned before, that was from one of the shango posts

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”

i found this poem (for what it's worth)


WINTER FALL by Carol Kohli
 
The scepter lies broken on the field.
Greensward, unblemished, stretches before the eye.
Battle cries long ago ascended, lost among the stars. 
The absence of conflict fills the silent air.
 The world hangs in abeyance between past and future. 
An errant thought sets the new course; 
the completed cycle becomes ancient history, 
recounted in a new context, subject to narrative and vision.

Life slips away. A single breath separates us from the abyss.
To live in the presence of death is the best preparation for life. 
Certainty is an illusion. Change is inevitable;
so is the final yielding.

It is over. Time has the final say. 
No more casting about for hopeful possibility. 
It is time to be still to wait to surrender 
the earthly crown with grace.

Let the bell buoy toll the return to the eternal sea, 
the infinity of water cradle scorched bones softly, 
til all settles silently in the dark depths.

Where does the universe end? It' s expanding-
expanding into what? What's out there, 
billions of light years away, that it's expanding into? 
Does the universe think, feel? 
Does it consider its demise its speculated collapse in on itself?
What happens then? 
If it were an entity, would it be male, female? Would it be kind?

One with the whole, we take the spectacular ride, 
live the questions, die with them still in our hearts. 
From the larger perspective the answers may appear, 
and we may say with relief and satisfaction, "of course."

 ::MonkeyEek::

Mos said he did prosecute but not because of pressure from Rudy Croes.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080314_uitspraak-eman

Tico Croes = former finance minister (AVP)
Rudy Croes = current justice minister (MEP)

BBL   I'm going to my son's baseball game, wearing my brand new "Standing with the Girl" t shirt!
  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/column-peter-politiek-tot.htm

new column Peter R.
not related to Natalee.

in short it is about Peter being asked by the justice commitee of the parliament to hear him about the connections between the criminal world and the regular world.
the justice commitee assumed Peter would come to The Hague for that.
Peter suggested a meeting in his office in Hilversum (near Amsterdam).
but then the justice commitee wasn't interested anymore.
apparently afraid to leave their offices in The Hague.

Peter R. expect the justice commitee to come up with a report in wich they say they did 'thorough' research...

thanks caesu

Thanks caesu!

Please let us know if you see anything else about Joran being in a Psychiatric facility. 

For Glenda and those at RU

There have been posting about Joran's apt:
        

plhtx1 wrote:


LOL. Only 17 with his own apartment and able to come and go as he pleased. Not much adult supervision, but he was only "17"




Glenda  PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:21 pm

Joran did not live in Appartment. In most of the homes in Aruba, the rooms are not connected by walls, but rather walkways. Joran's room is within 15 feet to the Parent's room and their room (also not connected) is within 15 feet of the main house where the Kitchen and Living Room probably are.


Please!!  That apartment used to be rented out.  It is more than a bedroom.  Try a bath and kitchenette.  Sheesh!

Have Fun!! (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/867511/DancingBanana.gif)

This is very long, but since we are slow and since caesu might like this site, I will post.

This is from korps suriname site quoting Amigoe, in April 2005 (before Natalee).  Seems Rudy Croes was upset with VanderStraten because he arrested someone without Rudy giving the ok.  Does the Minister of Justice order or ok prosecutions, on a routine basis??

Controverse over commissaris Van der Straten
 
ORANJESTAD — Minister van Justitie Rudy Croes (MEP) heeft een brief geschreven aan de minister van Bestuurlijke Vernieuwing en Koninkrijksrelaties, Alexander Pechtold (D66), waarin hij zijn beklag doet over het optreden van politiecommissaris Jan van der Straten.
 
De reden moet worden gezocht in het arresteren van twee medewerkers van het Bureau Informatievoorziening en Documentatie (BID) op het bestuurskantoor. Pechtold heeft inmiddels gereageerd op de brief van Croes. Hij stelt dat Van der Straten een goede staat van dienst heeft en dat hij de commotie van Croes rondom de commissaris niet begrijpt.
 
De twee BID-medewerkers werden opgepakt wegens telefonische bedreigingen vanaf het telefoontoestel op hun werkplek. Eén van de twee is geen verdachte meer in deze zaak. Tegen de tweede persoon, K.J.K., loopt nog een strafrechtelijk onderzoek. Hij wordt verdacht van bedreiging. K. is voorlopig op vrije voeten gesteld. Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) beslist binnenkort of het tot vervolging komt. Beide mannen werden opgepakt door het Flexiteam onder leiding van commissaris Van der Straten. Dit is de Justitie-minister in het verkeerde keelgat geschoten.
 
Brieven
 
De minister van Justitie stuurde daarom enige weken geleden een brief naar Pechtolds voorganger, minister Thom de Graaf van Bestuurlijke Vernieuwing en Koninkrijksrelaties, met daarin klachten over het optreden van Van der Straten. Volgens minister Croes is Van der Straten met de arrestatie van de twee BID-medewerkers buiten zijn boekje gegaan. Volgens de Justitie-minister had Van der Straten niet het mandaat van het OM om de twee te arresteren. Het OM geeft geen commentaar hierop.
 
Pechtold heeft de brief van Croes inmiddels beantwoord. Deze brief is afgelopen woensdag bij het ministerie van Justitie bezorgd. Minister-president Nelson Oduber ontving een afschrift. Volgens Victor Henriquez van het ministerie van Justitie schrijft Pechtold in deze brief dat Van der Straten een goede staat van dienst heeft. Ook schrijft Pechtold dat er nooit klachten waren over het functioneren van de commissaris en dat hij de huidige commotie niet begrijpt. Beide bewindslieden ontmoeten elkaar waarschijnlijk vandaag en morgen tijdens Pechtolds bezoek aan Aruba. Het onderwerp ‘Van der Straten’ zal zeker aan de orde komen bij dit overleg. Commissaris Van der Straten gaat overigens over twee maanden met pensioen.
 
Minister Croes heeft in de pers zijn boosheid geuit over het feit dat de Nederlandse Vertegenwoordiging zijn brief aan minister De Graaf heeft geopend en gelezen. De Nederlandse Vertegenwoordiging stelt echter dat dit een standaardprocedure is. Ronald de Kort van de Nederlandse Vertegenwoordiging: “Dit gebeurt met alle post die via ons naar het ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken in Nederland wordt gestuurd. Wij vallen zelf immers ook onder dat ministerie en het is gebruikelijk dat de Nederlandse Vertegenwoordiging adviseert over dergelijke stukken.”
 
Van der Straten doet intussen gewoon zijn werk en ziet geen grond voor een reactie. Hij stelt dat hem geen brief is geschreven met commentaar op zijn functioneren, dus dat hem ook niet duidelijk is waarop hij zou moeten reageren.
 
Het is overigens niet de eerste keer dat Croes probeert Van der Straten weg te werken. In januari 2003 liepen de spanningen hoog op, toen minister Croes zonder opgaaf van redenen de commissaris zijn uitvoerende bevoegdheden ontnam. Enige tijd later kreeg hij die, ook weer zonder toelichting, terug. (Amigoe)

Translated:

Controverse on Commissioner Van der Straten
 

ORANJESTAD - Minister of Justice Rudy Croes (MEP) has written a letter to the Minister for Government Reform and Kingdom Relations, Alexander Pechtold (D66), in which he complains about the actions of Police Jan van der Straten.

 

The reason must be sought in the arrest of two employees of the Office of Information and Documentation (BID) on the bestuurskantoor. Pechtold has now responded to the letter of Croes. He suggested that Van der Straten a good track record and that he Croes of the commotion around the Commissioner does not understand.
 

The two BID employees were arrested because of telephone threats from the telephone in their workplace. One of the two is not a suspect in this case. Against the second person, KJK, runs a criminal investigation. He is suspected of threat. K. Has been provisionally set at liberty. The Public Attorney's Office (OM) will soon decide whether the prosecution. Both men were arrested by the Flexiteam led by Commissioner Van der Straten. This is the Justice Minister in the wrong keelgat shot.

 

Letters
 

The Minister for Justice, therefore, sent a letter several weeks ago to Pechtolds predecessor, Minister Thom de Graaf of Government Reform and Kingdom Relations, which includes complaints about the actions of Van der Straten. According to Minister Croes, Van der Straten with the arrest of the two BID employees outside his booklet gone. According to the Justice Minister had Van der Straten not the mandate of the OM every two to arrest. The OM does not comment on it.
 

Pechtold's letter Croes has been answered. This letter was last Wednesday at the Ministry of Justice delivered. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber received a copy. According to Victor Henriquez of the Ministry of Justice Pechtold writes in this letter that Van der Straten a good track record. Pechtold also writes that there were never complaints about the functioning of the Commissioner and that he does not understand the current commotion. Both leaders will meet today and probably tomorrow Pechtolds visit to Aruba. The issue of Van der Straten 'will certainly be addressed in these consultations. Commissioner Van der Straten goes about two months with retirement.
 

Minister Croes has in the press expressed his anger over the fact that the Dutch Representation his letter to Minister De Graaf has opened and read. The Dutch Representation argues, however, that this is a standard practice. Ronald de Kort of the Dutch Representation: "This happens with all correspondence received by us to the Ministry of Home Affairs in the Netherlands. We are themselves also under the same ministry, and it is customary for the Dutch Representation advises on such documents. "
 

Van der Straten meanwhile simply does his work and sees no basis for a response. He argues that his letter was not written comments on its operation, so that it is not clear where he would have to respond.
 
It is not the first time that Croes tries Van der Straten eliminated. In January 2003, tensions ran high when Croes minister without giving reasons Commissioner deprived his executive powers. Some time later he received which, again without explanation, back. (Amigoe)


http://tinyurl.com/3xfto8

i will do that.
for now only source is Privé tabloid.

also in Roosenburg there are 10 places for 16 week period stay.
and 2 places for an extended stay. it is a full day/night stay. not only day care are a few days in the week.
two units, 6 places each.
http://www.altrecht.nl/www/site/32/180/332

it is voluntary. i doubt Joran would have comitted himself to stay there for 4 months.

i posted the same on Fok! dutch forum, but it was removed.
understandbly, because maybe a mob will lay siege there like what happened in Drachten.

there is also a clinic for post-TBS-treatment in the same building.
but this is for offenders who have been convicted and are released from TBS.
so Joran is not there - or they made an exception.
24 places, both a open units (D) and closed units (BC) (intensive care).
http://www.altrecht.nl/www/site/32/180/331

Thanks again caesu!

 :smt018 lol...I thought Glenda didn't know Joran...she seems to know his room quite well, lmao.

Hmmmm.........

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/vdshome2.jpg)

Keep the faith monkeys... keep standing with the girl

mmmmmmm......must be an underground hallway  ::MonkeyHaHa::

From Joran's book:

Page 166, Joran statement June 16.
June 16, at 8:50 pm I am asked to further clarify a remark I made to
the Judge-Commissaris. I had said earlier that I had done something wrong
and that I was willing to give a statement about that:
What I meant when I spoke with the Judge-Commissaris, is that I made a
mistake by leaving Natalee alone on the beach.
About what I spoke for 8 minutes with Deepak on May 30 2005 at 2:26 am
while using my mobile phone I tell you that I cannot remember.


Hmmmmm....what did he really say to the judge earlier??  Before clearing it with his dad???

Something that made the FBI tell the family that Natalee was dead??  and he can't remember the 8 min phone call to Deepak??? hmmmm....

If the picture of the Sloot home is labled correctly, the distance between Joran's apt. and his parent's room is more than 15 feet. The pool's more than 15 feet and it lies between the two. Glenda's FOS, again.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I notice the word "probably" in the above.

Also, in Joran's book, didn't he note that they had a small home that was added onto?  Where did everyone sleep before they added those two additional buildings?

FOS is her middle name:  Julia FOS Renfro  ::MonkeyHaHa::

He did something wrong leaving her at the beach?
I think in one of the pv's when he was picked up by satish or deepak it said something like: F##k that B$$$$h lets go
dont sound like feeling bad about doing something wrong to me

Joran's book page3 per Ramm at BFN:

- both parents working, took on a jamaican housekeeper to live on-site (in appartment) as babysitter and housekeeper, name Lisa. She was a sweet babysitter and good cook but crappy cleaner so Anita did a lot of the cleaning as she thought the good babysitter function was more important

- when they got older, no need for live in housekeeper/babysitter so apartment rented out to mostly interns. One guy lived there, ran up a big rent debt and was kicked out. Still needs to pay, PVDS believes one day he will pay out of the "goodness of his heart", JVDS and brother ridicule his dad for that belief. Then it stood empty for some time

Yes, he needed to clarify.....change?...retract???...a previous statement to the judge about doing something wrong??

How many statements did he actually give to a judge??  Isn't there some issue if you lie to a judge??  I know it's ok to lie to the police, but is it ok to lie to a judge??   ::MonkeyConfused::

thanks, interesting.
that's another instance in which Rudy Croes gets too much involved with the OM.

no surprise that Hans Mos is denying that there is pressure from Rudy Croes isn't prosecuting the AVP politicians.
(i think Rudy Croes wanted Mos to say that)

From Joran's book:

Page 166, Joran statement June 16.
June 16, at 8:50 pm I am asked to further clarify a remark I made to
the Judge-Commissaris. I had said earlier that I had done something wrong
and that I was willing to give a statement about that:
What I meant when I spoke with the Judge-Commissaris, is that I made a
mistake by leaving Natalee alone on the beach.

Is that really from his book? hard to believe he can remeber that and not the 8 min conversation with Deepak or the shoes he wore?

Joran didn't sound like he felt something wrong on the tape, either.

When I just step back and look at the whole thing, it just boggles my mind that we all actually witnessed and heard Joran talk about Natalee dying, on top of all the provable lies, and overwhelming circumstantial evidence, and the case is just sitting there, going nowhere.

And Glenda just keeps up her diarrhea mouth, flapping. This whole thing just reeks!

thanks, interesting.
that's another instance in which Rudy Croes gets too much involved with the OM.

no surprise that Hans Mos is denying that there is pressure from Rudy Croes isn't prosecuting the AVP politicians.
(i think Rudy Croes wanted Mos to say that)
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 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

There are some other possibilities...

1.  That really isn't the VDS compound in the picture posted by *******.  ALE searched the wrong compound twice.  The VDS actually live next door, the home with the monkey cage, or the house with the blue kiddie pool.

2.  Did anyone at RU ask these people to provide some kind of diagram to support their distance measurements? 

3.  There are so many pictures of the compound, those with GVS, Beth, Joran (laptop/pool), dogs, NE, etc., do any of these looked manipulated in some way?  Perhaps they make the property look larger than it really is?

I don't speak Dutch, but it's quoted as from his book.  They had heard the new story from K2 and heard from Freddy by this time...I believe Joran did tell what happen...JVDS offered him TBS and then Joran decided to tell the beach story instead...of course, it was just a mix up...who was the judge?? He's talked to him twice, in less than a week (arrested June 9th).  Why did he have to talk to the judge??  Does everyone have to?? or is Joran special??

If he was my kid, I would have picked the monkey cage...with a padlock....

There was an argument there, earlier today. paraphrased:

Someone said " you don't know what's in the ALE file".

Someone else: "Beth doesn't know what's in the ALE file"

Final comment: "only Glenda knows what's in the ALE file"   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree 100% CBB.Everyone heard him say it still free physically but not mentally.

just something i see in the wider corruption problems of the dutch caribbean islands:


http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/12429

st. maarten and curaçao are getting end of the year or next year status aparte, just like aruba has since 1986.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 

Got messed up again.  Odie is PM of Aruba.  Now this makes sense.  Rudy is Dutch and is Minister of Justice.  So his lordship would fit better (in their world) with judges or minister of justice Croes.  Been at this so long, I am about to bite my own butt.   Jack b

evidently the judge felt like it was an apartment separate from the main house or he would not have been able to throttle the search down to the apartment when the request from a.l.e. and janssen was for the whole property.
dennisintn

A bit OT  ~



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=534289&in_page_id=1770

no, Rudy Croes is not Dutch.

 

It very well could be.  There are a lot of underground places there in Aruba.  j/b

Correct, both Rudy and Oduber are Arubans right?

yes.
with aruba, white skin doesn't mean dutch.
that makes aruba different from the other islands.

that's also one of the reasons why aruba wanted status aparte so badly.
didn't want to be ruled by willemstad.
most black people only moved to aruba with the opening of the lago oil refinery beginning 20th century.
not many slaves were moved to aruba, no slave plantations on aruba, just horses and goats herded by indians.

i revert to the above comment i made.
white arubans are descendants from indians/portugese/dutch and still somewhat the elite compared to black/darker arubans.
the eman brothers are also white. betico croes was also white.

that's is rumoured to be a reason why they portrayed joran in the 'most wanted' programs with a darker skin!
curaçao was very angry at the aruban OM by this.

Dop is bringing him happies in the form of Valium with coconut rum chasers.
Drop some off for me Dop. Had a week and 1/2. 

Up next on Greta--she is being sued by a group on Aruba. ::MonkeyEek::

Greta just said she's being sued by Aruba???

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You type faster than I do, Blue Moon!

OK, anybody have a clue or guess what this is about?

I do computers for a living ::MonkeyLaugh::

How can Aruba, Deepak, Satish etc. have the right to use our legal system yet justice for Natalee cannot see the light of day on the hell-hole island? ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Nope but nothing surprises me out of Aruba.

I've had my rant for today, but I have to say GREAT QUESTION!!

I know!

She's being sued for smuggling in a dangerous weapon! She brought BETH!    ::MonkeyWink::

last month the dutch PM was on aruba.
also dutch justice minister Hirsch Ballin went to aruba.

there was a tripartite meeting planned between the dutch (hirsch ballin) , aruban (rudy croes) and antilles (david dick) justice ministers.
this meeting takes places every 6 months.

but it didn't happen!

rudy croes didn't show up.
and hirsch ballin was ill.



http://ikregeer.nl/document/KST115590

david dick is at the moment entangled in a corruption scandal on st. maarten.

in january 2008 it was reported that rudy croes was boycotting the tripartite meeting because the dutch wouldn't give aruba their share (or enough of it) of the money from the sale of the Plant Hotel / Mariott Complex.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080112_vanbeek-planthotel

hirsch ballin and rudy croes dit however meet a few days later.
(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2008/2008-02-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/02-19-hirsch-ballin-met-rud.jpg)
agreed was that aruba would keep his procureur generaal.
(so not one shared procureur generaal for both aruba and the antilles as the dutch wanted for years)
and the dutch justice minister wouldn't have direct influence on the aruban procureur generaal.
only through the kingdom cabinet (art. 43).
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080219_eigen-PG
the dutch justice minister does have direct influence on the antilles procureur generaal.
and also on the upcoming procureur generaal of the new countries curaçao and st. maarten.

here is a response from Ank Bijleveld - secretary for kingdom affairs - to questions raised by Hero Brinkman after the NOVA broadcasts about corruption in the Antilles, Aruba.

http://ikregeer.nl/document/KST116263

-all political and state trips (180 )are necessary because of the upcoming reforms on the antilles (not aruba).

-other dutch ministerial departments are responsible for some political and state trips.

-aruban / antilles justice ministers (david dick and rudy croes) are responsible (for the corruption surrounding the prisons).

O/T: I'm waiting for the Aruba story and watching Fox. I'm sorry, but that "preacher" just chaffs my a$$!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

thank you for your work for us here at SM's.  I have a questions that I really don't understand, why would the Dutch government basically give these islands freedom to do what they want as far as self-government when it is obvious that there is so much corruption, so much wrong with the way these islands control themselves. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  I wouldn't want to always be picking up the pieces from the corrupt officials.  Thanks.

Ditto! 

It sure does seems clearer now why Obama's wife said what she said and also explains why he will not put his hand on his heart during the pledge.

Rudy Croes is one STRANGE looking man, IMO. He looks like he should be wearing those Bavarian green shorts with suspenders.

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

roflmfao, good one, very good, and downright true.  but they can not say they weren't warned what was coming.  and is still yet to come.
dennisintn

Hopefully they'll sue so many people the truth will come out.....Ya think??? ::MonkeyDance::

i have the same questions. i try to understand it myself.
if i find something interesting i post it here.
while i am translating sometimes i understand it a bit more. but not the whole picture yet.

but the islands can't stand on their own. aruba is maybe the only island who can financially.
but not for defense or judicial, because they need the coast guard/marines and dutch judges.
also the dutch abused those six islands for hunderds of years. so it is a bit rude to just let them float towards venezuela.
also if aruba or curaçao go for independence many will flee to the netherlands just before the independence day.
therefore i think it is a bit of a messed up relation. they got eachother by their throats somehow.
i don't know what the real solution is.

but st. maarten for example is putting all the corrupt officials in jail right now. that may be a good example.

i have the same questions. i try to understand it myself.
if i find something interesting i post it here.
while i am translating sometimes i understand it a bit more. but not the whole picture yet.

but the islands can't stand on their own. aruba is maybe the only island who can financially.
but not for defense or judicial, because they need the coast guard/marines and dutch judges.
also the dutch abused those six islands for hunderds of years. so it is a bit rude to just let them float towards venezuela.
also if aruba or curaçao go for independence many will flee to the netherlands just before the independence day.
therefore i think it is a bit of a messed up relation. they got eachother by their throats somehow.
i don't know what the real solution is.

but st. maarten for example is putting all the corrupt officials in jail right now.



NOT IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT ::MonkeyDance::

Greta said bring it on.  She wants to get all these people under oath and deposition.

Greta----AHATA ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Must not being going as planned with 2K's law suit. Ya Think?

he talks real strange too.
(http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/images/assets/12982333)

http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_dick_rudy_croes_20070626_44_1kHz.mp3

skip to 1:54 = he snorts some kind of substance through his nose it seems  ::MonkeyShocked::

i've been trying to speak to him for weeks now. i got through to his secretary

St. Paddy's day is coming up Monday, he sure fits the bill for that holiday ::MonkeyLaugh::

What a hoot!  How stupid are they?  Do they have any idea what they are doing bringing a threat of suit against the American Media. I am stunned with their stupidity!  I am with Greta...bring it on Aruba...the media will have a field day. Can you see the people they would subpoena?? Oh, what a dream  I wonder if Nancy got the same letter??   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Who is actually suing her?  What grounds?  I missed it.

Is that Rudy snorting, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It justs never ceases to amaze me the STUPIDITY of these people.  Just when you think they cannot DO anything more stupid they shoot themselves in the foot again.  Don't they know what freedom of the press is?  Now they will have to PROVE these allegations against the news media.  They have Joran tucked away nice and safe (with duct tape over his mouth) and they think they can spring into action now before Beth gets her answer on the suit against Baby Huey.

at least the pig said sorry  ::MonkeyHaHa::
he talks like he has all his fingers in his nose.

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyShocked::

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf

Perhaps St. Maarten will set the example for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::
I also believe that it is not in the best interests of the EU or the USA for Chavez to take over these islands.
Thanks so much caesu for your translations and insight!

so aruba (the OM or the businesses or the governemnt) are suiing the american media for alleging corruption or for damaging the economy?
or something else? that is really stupid then. self harming themselves.
i cannot believe they will go through with this. some lawyer will advise to stop it.

excellent  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Please, Please, Please tell me that Greta's buddy Joe Tacopina is representing AHATA!!!!!!!

A monkey plea
For those of us that don't get Greta, what exactly is she being sued for, and who is suing her
Yes, they are brazen in their stupidity, but they do keep getting away with their cover up and corruption.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Hopefully, not for long!

Wreck - they refused to even mention the American attorneys name, didn't want to give him the free publicity. 

I so hope Carpe was able to tape that  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was very vague.  Mostly stuff about putting Aruba and ALE in a bad light.  I'm hoping Greta puts a copy of the letter on her blog.

Wasn't mentioned (other than a "lawyer") presented the letter to Greta. My guess is it is Joe Taco (MO).  He keeps getting deeper and deeper. I guess if Aruba wants to throw good money after bad then Joe will be more than willing to stand there and accept the money.

NO! for real?
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Wind Damage Heavy In Downtown Atlanta

http://www.wsbtv.com/weather/15600856/detail.html

Hope all our Atlanta monkeys are safe and secure.

Since nothing has been on air....does anyone think there might be a BAD announcement coming out of Aruba....and this is preemptive??

You are correct.  The discovery would be a wonderful thing.  All those depositions...so little time. LMAO

Thanks Lala's - I hope so too!

I didn't know they had evil leprechauns as well!  ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone think there's some misdirection going on here???

Hope every stys safe.

Breaking News CNN on tornado damage in Atlanta...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

What do you mean?

Taco might as well get his time share in Aruba furnished so he can walk the streets because he isn't welcome in my neighborhood.....

Maybe the OM has cut a deal with Joran that if he goes into a "hospital" for treatment all charges will be dropped against him.  Of course it all had to be approved by Big Daddy and Mommy first but they are o.k. with it as long as their Sporter doesn't come into contact with those big, mean ole people in KIA.  I mean what a perfect solution for them so now it is time to prove to the American's that Aruba does its job and does it well. ::MonkeyRoll::

Kinda like Wag the Dog.Just a suggestion.I just keepthefaith.If they continue to keep doin what they're doing the truth has got to come out...Sue Greta??Please do.Maybe she can redeem herself and help bring the corruption down.Paulus,Carlo,Ahata.Taco better be careful he's gonna get himself in to deep like the other poster said...

Yes, this is a perfect plan...as long as no one talks or they don't find her body or anything that might incriminate Joran as more than just seeing a dead girl.  I hope the Kalpoes are still looking over their shoulder.

Could be part of a new overall strategy. 1) Let the case die on the vine....because it is fully ripe now, thanks to Joran's confessional. 2) Be proactive to those pesky media personalities that are attached to the story. 3) Set start time when it's seems that the Persistence will turn up nothing.

Did I hear Greta say that their tourism was up 8%?  I thought it is still down.

Their most recent report claims it's up. 

That's what she said. I also read that in an article about tourism from the UK increasing on the island.

I follow British news and Natalee is not covered in the UK.

Are our GA Monkeys OK? Oh, wrong thread, sorry.

Any thoughts Klaas on the misdirection??

Maybe that's why they're so mad at her. She did a 180* turn after the DeVries show. BTW, Dayhiker, have you read my signature line?  ::MonkeyWink::

RU has been talking about Joe T filing suit against Greta and Nancy Grace for over a year.  I think AHATA finally found someone to attempt it but it's a joke.

I don't consider it misdirection though, I consider it stupidity.

Would it be possible for Joe T. to be backdooring the VDS family.He won't be welcome on any program anywhere for the rest of his life for suing Greta or Nancy.any Faith Joe T. is trying to open the door to the evidece in a backdoor kinda way.I may be crazy but just a thought.Doesn't make sense to me... ::MonkeyConfused::

Statistics can be used however the presenter wishes.

here are many statistics from the Aruba C.B.S. about Tourism:

http://www.cbs.aw/cbs/do/categoryId/73/categoryBranchId/73/getDocumentCategories.html

Just catching up with things around here and digesting the latest suing Greta news! LOL

I have to agree with what others have post that this is an idiotic move on the part of Aruba to say the least.

It will be interesting to see how this story moves along. Nothing sounds sweeter to my ears than to hear US media personalities use the words Aruba and corruption in the same sentence. And that is exactly what will happen if they push this.

Aruba

Land of the Corrupt and Utterly Stupid

I think we have Angels where we least expect......Keepthefaith

I'm with Klaas. I HOPE that Carpe got Greta tonight! It was rich and if you missed it, it's worth staying up for. Greta was chomping at the bit to be sued and Ted even flirted with calling for a boycott. Their "threat" certainly blew up in their faces!

You're welcome Dayhiker!  ::MonkeyWink::

PLEASE CHECK MY SIGNATURE LINE EVERYONE!

Posted by PearlinUSA at BFN...thanks Pearl

Greta just gave a tease that she is being sued per news coming out of Aruba .. Coming up segment

2nd tease .. Who in Aruba wants to sue me?  And what am I going to do about it .. coming up with panel.

ATA lawyers have sent a letter to Greta.  An American lawyer sent the letter on their behalf.  The threat is slander.

Greta says bring it on, sue me please, I want to get all these people under oath, I would love it.  The panel jokes, but Greta reinforces she wants them to sue her.  She could depose police, it would be a field day.  Panel member says this was about as well thought out as the investigation was.

Ted points out that now they are refreshing the public's memory that they were unable to find Natalee Holloway.  They wonder if this is a real law firm, where did they get their license.

Now they talk of the effect of tourism that the ATA themselves are bringing down with this.

Ted says I never asked for a boycott, but suing a friend of mine .. etc.  They wonder what possesses someone to do this.  Agreed thought, its all about money.

Nothing specific stated in the letter which Greta holds up on screen.  Says Fox relied on false information, etc. and Greta says maybe they did solve the case and we were wrong.

Bernie asks what ATA should do about their legal fee and they all joke about how they better try to get it back.  End.


video here:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/?maven_playerId=videolandingpage&maven_referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749&maven_referralObject=0bc1ab49-bf52-4cde-bc2d-8c28b58804b0

BLADE,  your Jerry Seinfeld smile cracks me up!  great avi

that's right. and i find it telling that the statistics about crime on aruba are not very up to date.

http://www.cbs.aw/cbs/getDocumentList.do?categoryId=103&categoryBranchId=103&firstItem=0&category=83

http://www.cbs.aw/cbs/getDocumentList.do?categoryId=64&categoryBranchId=64&firstItem=0&category=139

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after 1995, with a 7 year gap - they just called it 'crimes' or 'traffic violations'
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and not up to date till 2006.

well done Rudy!!  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope you are right  ::MonkeyWink::

TY Buckeye!

Dayhiker -  your avi is cracking me up!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Buckeye - thanks!  I'm uploading it to youtube right now!

Thank You Buckeye...that's one of Greta's shows that I enjoyed watching...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

Hahahah, yeah, he is a goofy smiling little guy isn't he. I must admit, I do like the monkey judge though, but I had to drop that one since it was already claimed! 

Nighty night Monkeys.
Y'all behave now, OK?

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I feel like The Bachelor surrounded by a bunch of chicks!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hurry up so we can beat Carpe....for once..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nite Bluwaters

I might have to put Greta back on my viewing list!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

We better remember the page for Janet...she'll need a record.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Closin up the store here on the Westcoast so now i get to go home and watch the fun on Greta.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.Thanx to all the monkeys for all you do.Lurk more than i post but you monkeys do great things!!Thanks for the input Klaas.Go Greta...Over and out.....


Keepthefaith

No, that would be Guido.


The News is now a major business. Greta will have him on the air again. Goes with her thing of letting them talk and talk. Some call it, "enough rope".

Fin

Me Too Wreck....Greta was really pumped Up about this...it was rather enjoyable viewing..for a change!  ::MonkeyWink::

Only one sexual offence in 19 years. Yeah right. They even told Dave to watch his drink because people drug tourists!

Your probably right on both parts Fin.Love the Guido reference.Home to watch it for myself.Everyone have a great weekend!! ::MonkeyDance::

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Good Night Keep the Faith! And I believe You are right about those angels!  ::MonkeyWink::

Nothing specific stated in the letter which Greta holds up on screen.  Says Fox relied on false information, etc. and Greta says maybe they did solve the case and we were wrong.


Is that the sound of a a big ole can of whupass being opened?

And you've got them eating right out of your hand!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ( sorry, couldn't resist)

Geez, the video is taking forever to upload in Youtube.  I can't wait for Red to do a front page post to go with the video  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't wait either Klaas...it will be a good one I'm sure... ::MonkeyWink::

I wonder how long it will be before the name of the attorney that wrote the letter to Greta will be made public...It was to funny watching Greta beg to be sued.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Caps!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas I put some pictures in the lounge.  I don't think I blew anything up either. lol

Put Greta's interview in photobucket while I'm waiting on the youtube to finish uploading.  If you haven't seen this it's great!

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hhhmmmm......who was it that was always feeding Greta information night after night........oh yea that's right....it was Tito and Julie/renho/glenda/bondia.  So that's where Greta was getting her false information.  Geez what a bunch of idiots.  They just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper.   Go get em Greta.

Hi, all

Trying to catch up with the new findings and the Riddle.

here is 2:00 AM

Hi Caps - did you see the video I just posted?  AHATA sent a letter to Greta?  Going to sue, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Howdy Caps, and goodnight.  Time for me to hit the monkey bunkey.

Good Night Snoopy! Love Your Avi!  ::MonkeyWink::

Well this will be the end of them, ATA and AHATA thinks it is over with the search and now believes that is time for a lawsuit. I can say the Pendulum has fallen on the whole government. They are in a corner and also in a check mate situation. The corruption that was feeding their greedy can no longer beeing played and now this must be the last chance for the Lawyers trying to get some money for them self with the hope to bring someting in the cash regster of the government.

I think they need go back to school to learn about Strategic thinking. Stupid move....

on another note got a call from John...things looks good.
 

Capslock - excellent news!  Yes, AHATA is shooting itself in the foot again.  This will do more damage than good.

Unlike Capslock - I'm not staying up until 2am, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

GOODNIGHT ALL!

Good Night KLaas! I 'm not for behind.... ::MonkeyCool::

Great News Caps...Thank You for All of Your Hard Work!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

Shango says: The Gamblers.

BTW I was reading some of the updates on shango and there is two stories. The Corrupt AHATA .

When it says ....Bestow the Title soon, it means the LAND for DEALS in the Marisol/Oduber deal on the Ritz Carlton.

The Brazilian Investment group vs the Mariotte being played by a Dutch Dirtyhand.

Remember there is two stories in Shango.

Good Night all

I will be back after 6hr of ZZzzzzzzz

CAPS

Good Night Caps!

That's what I was thinking also...aruba likes to think they are one step ahead of us.I don't think they realize they are years behind us.

::MonkeyNoNo::

THIS has got to be the DUMBEST move Aruba has made to date!  You can bet it wasn't Joe who sent the threat to Greta.  He's a NY lawyer and he knows that Greta was a VERY good trial lawyer and her husband is a veeerrrryyy powerful lawyer who has been a part of billion dollar lawsuits.  AHATA couldn't have picked a worse person to sue!   

I'm with you Greta!   BRING ON THE LAWSUIT!!! lET'S KEEP THIS CASE IN THE NEWS FOR THREE MORE YEARS!!

Hi monkeys!  I wasn't online earlier when I watched the show and had about 20 pages to read before I caught up to this page. 

BBL.....have a great Saturday eveyone! 

I just got caught up again and must say I was shocked about Greta getting sued. I love good news first thing in the morning..




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I watched the video this morning ----- WOW!!! I don't think Taco is involved -- he is sleazy, but not THAT stupid to be involved. I bet they asked him to be on though. By the way -- just what IS the status of the Dr. Phil suit???

Help!  The quotes are stacked against me!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

Having a great time in the cage already today.  Nothing like a frivolous lawsuit to bring on insanity. 

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Bearly  ::MonkeyLaugh::

A great big laugh to begin Saturday is motivating and envigorating  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Every day it gets more and more like a Hollywood movie


I stand with the girl. And with her family.

Right next to *******  ::MonkeyCool:: (Hey -- check the Xmas tree  ::MonkeyWink:: )

Is Paulus an American lawyer-in-training?  Or maybe Joran got his law degree while he was in hiding.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Big storms are getting ready to roll in so signing off....

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Stay safe, Tot

Woke up laughing this morning thinking about Aruba wanting to sue Greta.  LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!  Okay!  Still laughing but just think...depositions out the wahzoo!!!!  Every single person ever shown in any footage from Greta deposed.  That would be great!! It would take years.   LOLOLOLOL!!!! Sorry, can't help myself...I so hope Taco Joe was at the bottom of all this...no offense here, Caps, but those people down there are just plain stupid.  Ooops!  Did I just say that? 

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"My Name is Natalee’s Mom"

Beth Holloway

Saturday, March 15, 2008

7:30 p.m.

Muscle Shoals High School Auditorium

Hear:

About the loss of her daughter
How her Faith sustains her each day
About the International Safe Travels Foundation
 

Beth has chosen to speak out about her experiences in the hopes of sparing other families from having to face the same loss.

$30 per ticket

Ticket Outlets:

 Muscle Shoals High School Office
 
 Valley Credit Union – Muscle Shoals, Sheffield, Tuscumbia, & Russellville
 
 Coldwater Books – Tuscumbia
 
 First Franklin Financial – Muscle Shoals & Florence
 

http://mshsbb.org/

*******


Holloway to visit Green Schools

GREEN — The Green Schools Foundation (GSF) will present Beth Holloway March 17 at 8 p.m. in the auditorium at Green High School.

Holloway will share the story of her daughter, Natalee, who disappeared in Aruba May 30, 2005, during a school-sponsored trip.

Holloway has established the International SAFE TRAVELS Foundation to advocate for victims’ rights and to help the millions of Americans who travel internationally plan and enjoy a safer trip. She has appeared on TV networks and in numerous magazine and newspaper articles, and was selected by Barbara Walters as one of the world’s most fascinating people for her perseverance in seeking answers to what happened to her daughter.

Holloway recently completed a nationwide tour promoting her book, “Loving Natalee.”

The presentation is free and open to the public.

http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-community-news.asp?aID=1896

where is he from and how did he get his moj job reckon?

Morning Monkeys   :smt006

Oh how I wish AHATA was filing suit agaist Greta !!!  But even they are not Dumb   (are they?).  Why send a letter with intent vs just doing it ?

Nope ~~ sounds more like a "I wish I could " type letter by someone just for fun. :smt064

However my 1st thought was  ChuckieRat vs Tacky too,  ::MonkeyEek:: so what do I know.  :scratch:

 SeeYaa   :smt039

Jackb - Rudy Croes was born in Aruba, he is Aruban

I meant to post this yesterday and I may have, lol. I can't remember and I don't feel like going back to see if I did or not.

Cel a pega candela na KIA       
Friday, 14 March 2008 


Nos a ricibi informacion cu na KIA atrobe den oranan di marduga bewakers mester a core paga un cel cu tabata na candela. No sa con esaki ta pasa pero e colchon y tambe paña ta wordo kima. Tin indicacion cu tin problema den KIA unda cu gruponan tin problema cu otro y ta anochi nan ta kima cel di otro of regla cuenta cu otro. Click read more pa mas informacion.


Bewakers a logra paga e candela pero no sa kenda ta esnan cu a pega esaki y esun cu ta den e cel mes no ta bisa nada tampoco. Pa loke ta e aña aki esaki a pasa caba mas cu 3 biaha.  Brandweer no ta bai na e meldingnan aki paso nan mes den KIA tin nan team pa paga candela y e bewakers sa kiko tin cu haci den situacionan asina.
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Looks like a fire in a 'Cel' @ KIA. Someone probably dropped their joint or crackpipe.

I have only one thing to say to the idiots at AHATA who filed that lawsuit....

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR SYSTEM!!!!

If they haven't already proved themselves to be bumbling idiots this will certainly end any doubts.

Way to bring the case back into the headlines.

I am praying Nancy Grace is getting sued also because I want to hear what she has to say.

Thanks for making my day!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Aruba's new slogan:  Aruba, stuck on stupid.

Yeppers to that one...LOL

After the Greta suit fails...they'll keep going down the roster of who they think has *screwed* Aruba...sue...sue...sue... ::MonkeyConfused::

The whole NH case has taught the island of Aruba the *power* of lawyers....next year sometime...they'll be suing Scared Monkeys... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: Got a break in the storm so thought I'd come back for a minute.Saw this and just had to do it!!!

 

They do need to understand they can themselves be sued for frivilous law suits.  They are just trying to get money.  They whole bunch of them and are trying to stall by tying up everyone.  It may have been a plan all along down there to kidnap an American,  etc. and hide the evidence, etc., then sue anyone when they tried to find her and justice.  They are stupid enough to think they are just going to get paid off without a fight.  They see America as one big dollar sign.  Those people who are behind this are evil and are mean to their own people down there.  They use and abuse all who are not in their clicque or kissing their azz.
Americans are not known for azz kissing, unless it is a taco or a Renfro or Posner to get their sleazy way.  They are not Americans, they are in name only and that makes a difference.
I have never despised 46 to 50 people so  badly that I feel they should spend their life in prison away from those they use and abuse.  Those nasty people need to clean house.  The Netherlands and Aruba is a disgrace to the world in the way they have no morals and use and abuse innocent people and stand behind the badge of the law to do it.  It is a wonder people don't revolt.    Jack blue

Sorry to be O/T - Klaas, please move or delete if this post does not belong here -
I am now watching the heartbreaking NBC Dateline's program that was shown last night while I was online with the Monkeys.
Some things about the case remind me of Natalee's case.

The Girl in the Little Blue Dress
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23592454/

This child, Michelle, has been missing since 1969. She sadly died that year and her death was covered up by the perps.
Michelle's father has been searching for her ever since.
Because of the father's Persistence the mother is now in jail and on trial for murder. She is awaiting a retrial as the jury was deadlocked 10/2  in favor of a guilty verdict and a mistrial.
I am struck by the fact that there is no physical evidence, yet the state of California is able to charge and prosecute the one seen last with the victim. There is more evidence in Natalee's case than Michelle's.
The difference?
The cover up of Michelle's murder is not directed by LE and other state authorities.

I realize that there is a huge difference in US - CA law and the laws of Aruba but still!
If California can do it, why can't Aruba???
Of course, there is no guarantee that Michelle's case will see justice, but at least the DA in California is trying hard to see justice done.
Why does Aruba not care about justice? The corruption is exposed for the whole world to see and still - nothing happens. ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am excited about Greta's lawsuit! What a hoot! Between that and Dr. Phil, we may see some great depositions.  ::MonkeyDance::

 

That sounds to me like they are thinking with a drug-induced thought pattern.  The cocain side of their brain or thinking and talking out of their azzes.  They are like a little bunch of semi-skilled rocking chair lawyers trying to take on a whole country and hide behind their druged out politicos.     jack blue

Thunder...lightning...roar of winds....Mama Nature is throwing a big ol' hissy fit...LOL...

I happen to agree totally Caps.....the corruption is being scrutinize to carefully to continue making the quick buck and the frustration is $issing someone off big time! LOL

Yikes! Stay safe!

Very scary! Channel 2 says more tornado touchdowns happening now.

3 cats and 2 dogs are trying to crawl inside my robe with me....  ::MonkeyShocked::::MonkeyShocked::...Mama...we're skeeeeerd!!!! ::MonkeyWaa::

tornado touchdowns?  ::MonkeyConfused::

 

You think that is funny:  I just realized why Aruba does not have but one sex crime.  They consider drugging, battering, kidnapping, and rape foreplay.  If the victim expires, then that is considered suicide because they are despondant of their "lovers" rejecting them.  Even if the victim has been shote several times, stabbed in the back and hang(ed.)  Then proof of the suicide is if they are found inside a barrell locked from the outside.  Brilliant bunch they have in LE downthere.  Just what the MOB always wanted.   Jack blue

Jack...I would think even the MOB is embarressed by Aruba at this point...can you say...black eye...and there ain't a steak big enough to cover this one....

 

Better look out it seems the sloots and K2 morphs at times.   Jack b

So AHATA or its ilk is threatening to sure Greta & other "media"??? ROFLMAO
Talk about biting off you nose to spite your face. Dumb as a box of rocks for sure!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

On come on Yapperz...you're giving *rocks* a bad name....LOL!

 

Not even if they cut one off Oduber's, Guido's, and Anita's AZZ.

I just posted about Dateline to the TV section.
I guess my earlier post should have gone there.
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Destiny and all Hotlanta Monkeys - please stay safe!
It must be very scary.
Hold on to those skeered fur babies!
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Aruba and ATHA are suing Greta!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyDance::

You know what, it just doesn't get much better than this.  Can you inagine the publicity and the information that will come out against Crappy Island and the ALE when Greta and Fox gear up for discovery.  Maybe ALE and ATHA are stupid enough to think that Fox would settle out of court?  I don't think so.  I thought it was suicidal for the Kalpoes to sue Dr. Phil.  This is even better.  You just can't make this stuff up.  Aruba doesn't get it and the ALE with the chosen ones are so accustomed to getting their own way and not being challenged that they can't conceive of anyone not falling into step with them.  It's total narcissism.  Look what we have done to Aruba and ATHA.  Good work, monkeys. ::MonkeyRoll::  Now sit back and enjoy the show. ::MonkeyWink::

My brain is still Swiss cheese from trying to understand Dr. Hodges!!! ::MonkeyConfused::

Ya gotta love it.Headin out for couple hours to do some shoppin.You monkeys keep the party goin.Sue Greta.Please Do.I'm flyin where ever that case is at,as well as the Kalpoes.Almost think i might invest some money just to hear any of them idiots be deposed..Be back later...


Keepthefaith

Well Monkeys...got everything ready to head down to the basement...the big tornado is about 30 miles SE of here...hope it keeps heading E instead of NE...got my candles for *safety* lit...will stay here in the cage till/if I have to move my personal tribe to the basement....

Destiny - stay safe!  Check back in with us when you get the all clear ok?

 ::MonkeyEek:: Hard to believe they would send threatening letters to sue the entire American Media  ::MonkeyLaugh:: Who will be next to get a letter Natalee's Family? Like Greta said,Bring it on!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Stay safe Destiny and everyone else in that area!

Pray kiddo that God will protect you and your town, etc.  Sorry you have to endure that.
Jack blue

Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly.  I lived in Oklahoma for years and those tornadoes are not to be fooled with.  Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please gather your tribe and go.

I hope my house is there when I get home tomorrow!  As for the weather here, rainy, little chilly,cloudy, etc. typical March weather in the south.

I'M going through some old pictures before I sell my Mac..I came across this one  ::MonkeyEek::

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O/T...dodged this bullet...but weather says there's more in the chamber...I'm in my home in Dahlonega right now...30 miles from Gainesville, and 14 miles from Lake Lanier....hope my friends who have homes on the lake are ok...my other home and business are 16 miles up the mountain from this home...top of the mountain is ok...I think...if you live in Ga...a basement if a MUST!....Pray that TOT os safe and sound...and ALL Monkeys in the path of Mama Nature's rath....

*******....what kind of MAC....I might want it...if you don't have a buyer yet...yeppers...I'm a Macaroon ;-)

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TOURISM IS UP 8% - THAT 8% MUST BE HIDING IN THE BUSHES WITH BOETI

his is from aruba.
he is moj since 1989 when the MEP was in power. so from 1994 till 2001 he was not moj.
but i've been trying to gather more info about rudy croes. but it is difficult.

interesting bit, like i mentioned before, that he was not interrogated in 1995 during the huge drugs scandal IRT-affair 'because he might become moj again'. current dutch moj hirsch ballin had to resign because of IRT-affair.
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire

this might be an interesting article for more background about IRT-affair and Dutch justice system:

http://www.usg.uu.nl/download/anheier1.pdf

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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Be safe all Monkeys in the storm area.
Don't take any chances.

Peaches...you got a home with me if Ya need one Sweetie....

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LOOK OUT - TOURIST ALERT - IN BUSHES!

Haha..Yes I love macs as well :) It's a G4 933 loaded with most everything and the pro speakers..Spent a lot on it but it's old now..I have someone who says he wants it Monday for 500..Caught a few scammers also..Be carefull when selling stuff online!


I don't see much else I have on this that you guys havent seen..This is funny though  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I know OT but we need a laugh now and then :)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/funny98ql.jpg)

Thanks.  I'll let ya know when I get back there.  I sit at foot of what they refer to as a mountain which has in the past served as somewhat of a deflection for tornadoes in my neighborhood.

Nope Kermie...tis' tourist *bait*...if ya look real close, you can see the rope he's tied to... ::MonkeyLaugh::

That's really Paulus  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I saw a special on National Geographic Channel last night about Big Foot/Yeti sightings all around the world.

Check out UPDATE II on FP post:

Aruba and the AHATA Suing Greta Van Susteren for Slanderous Statements about Aruban Tourism & Natalee Holloway Investigation

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/15/aruba-and-the-ahata-suing-greta-van-susteren-for-slanderous-statements-about-aruban-tourism-natalee-holloway-investigation/

UPDATE II: It Looks Like Aruba (AHATA) Will Have to Sue Former Spokesman Steve Cohen and Joran Van der Sloot Attorney Joe Tacopina as Well (Watch Video)

Stay tuned for the growing list of who the AHATA will have to sue ...

Where are all of the British tourists?    ::MonkeyWink::

Didn'cha know...they only come out at night...when the sun won't *blister* them....

This is supposed to be Michael Posner and his house..Not sure 100% about this though..
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/posner-2007-2.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/posnershouse.jpg)

I think Klaas has these pics saved in her photobucket somehwere from the search on June 6th 2005
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/searchjune6shirt8ht.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/searchjune6shirt28tn.jpg)

Van Der Sloots and there 2 dogs June 2005

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/10-1.jpg)

A lucky girl..If the police would have done what they were supposed to do before May 29th 2005,Natalee with be with us today.. :(

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/14814d2679e64733bd8861aa735ecd81.jpg)

HAHAHA!
And this is aruba's"high"season.
::::snickering:::::

I just peaked in on Greta's Open blog, since watching the video of Greta being sued   ::MonkeyHaHa::

However,  Wouldn't ya know, I find this from a typical Natalee hater posting and accusing a Monkey of murder????
I haven't even seen this case in the news,  but here is what she said.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Comment by CheriMc (Support Aruba...Aruba is Great!)
March 15th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Hi “ikirts”…..thanks for your post recognizing that MOST people think that Betty was referring to me in regard to that tragic Wendy’s shooting in Palm Beach….she claims NOT…but I have asked her many times then WHO she was referring to and she refuses to answer that.

Priss came right out and said she was sorry I was NOT there…..and then she did a fake “apology” to other posters here….really a horrible woman and very scary…..

Now…I am even MORE frightened when I have learned that the shooter was one of those drippy Natalee Holloway worshiping weirdos….his (former) girl friend said in the Miami Herald that he was obsessed with Natalee Holloway even since the case broke…he followed it on the internet….could he be one of those nutty men on scared monkees who write “poems” to Natalee and post daily “messages” to her….could he be someone like that oddball who posted here for awhile…remember “Jimbo” who had “dreams” of Natalee and claimed to have a “girlfriend” who allowed his weird fantasy world regarding Natalee??

I find it pretty darn scary that Priss would post she wished I had been there and then we found out that it was a Natalee Nut who did the shooting…one of those “macho” men who post junk like “waterboard them all” and “boycott Aruba”….some of them are very dangerous I think, they are ready to fight for an 18 year old party girl they never met….Natalee would certainly not have been interested in old guys, she wanted to drink and hook up with hotties at bars, not mess with old jerks on the internet who think they are “knights in armour” ready to “fight ARUBA”….

Any one notice any Natalee nuts who are missing??? I remember “Jimbo”…..was he from Florida?? Any missing “monkees”?? Isn’t it a shame that besides approving when Felon Joe Mammamna made violent threats that Beth Twitty’s legacy of “hate” towards a little island would involve the tacit encouragement of the sort of violence seen in West Palm

As for Priss?? She should be ashamed of herself…..law enforcement officer…mother….supposed champion of “victims”…and then she makes a horrible post like that?? I would never wish that on anyone…..and I would also NOT encourage people online to do violent things. 

******* - just a thought...email any photos you might want to keep.  That way when you get settled you can save them on your PC when you have time. 

Why are they putting crime scene tape at this location?

Dihannah - that the most rediculous post I've ever seen. 

Edited to add:  Not you posting it but the person who posted on Gretawire.  ::MonkeyWink::

They are marking it for the *clean up* crew....

Because those items are said to be linked to Natalee's dissapearance. Jorans Attorney is on record saying that shirt found does have DNA evidence linked to this case.

Klaas:Thanks! I couldn't go through all the images so Im just gonna upload a few to photbucket. Most everything is here already on SM or you have it saved.

LOL,  I knew what you meant. ::MonkeyWink::
I shouldn't have even wasted a post here on it.  But couldn't help it, when somebody makes that kind of accusation about ANY of us!  Biotch!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Your too funny!  Thanks for bringing my blood pressure back down ::MonkeyWink::

Joran and "Daury" He doesn't have to take his name to the grave with him..We all know who he owes his life to and would put his hand in fire for.

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/ht_vander_sloot9_060206_ssh.jpg)

ggrrrrrrr,you have no idea how much this cherimc aka freebiesite aka queenfreebie aka(to me)feebleB,makes me sick,almost as sick as that other skank renHO. :smt099

That would not surprise me at all,in fact I expect that out of them.

Thank you *******,good to see you back with us. ::MonkeyWink::

Could you please label who is who? thank-you.......... ::MonkeyConfused::

The suck up expression on Urine's face just makes me sick.  He's such a classic narcassistic sociopath and he cons everyone he sees as useful.  Don't you want to just slap that expression right off of Sporter's face!

I really dislike being so vindictive but well.....aruba deserves it. ::MonkeyHaHa::

The first batch has...another is in the area now...very sad, a little boy was killed in the last batch....

 :smt045

Oh,yeah!
I'd like to do what Beth said"rip the skin right off his face".

BTW, how rude of me!  I haven't read back yet.  But praying all our GA Monkeys are ok!  All have been accounted for?  I hope!

Prayers to GA!

Destiny, How sad for the little boy.  If God forbid anyone needs medical care, my brother is the ER doctor at your area's medical center.  Please be careful.

Destiny,
I'm glad you're o.k., so sad about the little boy....please stay safe!

::MonkeyWink::

My sister lives in Alpharetta -- how did they fare?

Oh, how funny   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

I am almost in tears over this  from our buddy Carpe  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/racGFGF.png)

Sorry to say...not well...they are getting *slammed* again right now....I'm Praying for everyone...and keeping candles lit....the third batch is forming right now too...weather service is saying they've *never* seen it so bad in this area before....they said it's like a freight train...one train after another...and not getting any better...Alpharetta is getting hammered by grapefruit size hail as I type...

I'd just like to appologize to everyone for losing my temper the other day.  It was wrong of me to take out my frustrations in the forum and it won't happen again. You can only tease a dog so long before he bites you. Next time I will Muzzle myself  ::MonkeyCool::

Destiny I am worried about you! Please go down to the basement! I remember as a kid my mom made me us all go down there,even when it wasn't so bad.

Karma,  I haven't seen one from SMISH, but there is a post to Cherie from "please listen cherimc", that I thought could have been you!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Destiny!  Prayers to you and family!  Please stay safe!!!!!!

No apology needed Sweet *******....

I'm keeping an eye on things...the horrible stuff is keeping to a path of about 20 to 30 miles from my location...another fatality was just reported tho....the weather folks are comparing it to *tornado alley*...I'm from San Fran...the land of shake-n'-bake...so this is all new to me....

(http://www.11alive.com/weather/graphics/web_radar_metro_lg_lg.jpg)

http://www.11alive.com/weather/radar/state/

All of us have a breaking point *******, forgiven & forgotten as far as I'm concerned.

Destiny, I agree with *******, PLEASE...take furry friends and stay in the basement until the storms have passed!  Let us know that you are o.k. when it's over.

Anymore news on the civil unrest of the workers of Aruba?

Naaa,I saw that post and I'm not that nice to cherimc lol
For the first 2 years of the Natalee case I had to bite my tounge,a few times a day when I would read all the nasty,most disgusting posts she made about Natalee and Beth.Mainly Beth...cherimc is sooooo sick but it seems she has a few people on Greta's blog fooled.
My first post there didn't show up but 2 of them have now.
:)

O/T

Karma - looks like you saved that Easter avatar to your hard drive as a .jpg instead of a .gif.

That is why it's not animated like the one that CBB posted  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas,I was wondering why it wasn't moving so I checked and it says it's a gif file?

Hmmm, let me try it.  Sometimes if it's too big it won't animate.  I'll check.

That was it, it was too big so I made it a bit smaller  ::MonkeyWink::

I found 'em  ::MonkeyHaHa::   Still checking back occasionally, waiting for her link to "HER" facts... ::MonkeyConfused::

“Even Giannico, who said Blake abused her during their three-year-relationship and called the gunman “demented” but “extremely intelligent,” remains at a loss to explain.

The more she remembers about the man, the stranger his case has seemed: Giannico recalled today that Blake became “obsessed” with Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba in 2005, and that he was convinced she had been murdered.

“He was obsessed with how they hid the body,” Giannico said, adding that he religiously watched television news shows to learn more about the incident.<<<<

Giannico is the former girlfriend of the dead shooter, Blake……

here is a link :

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/search/content/local_news/epaper/2008/03/11/0311wendys.html


Here's her source.  I just laid some good old fashioned guilt on her.  She's making some pretty sweeping generalizations by attacking SM as a group because this guy was obsessed with Natalee.

Karma and SS.  Great job!  I'm watching, but biting my tounge. If I let myself get started again, I'll start boiling!

Funny, how she's denying blaming a Monkey now, after you read EXACTLY what she posted!  ggggrrr

It wont be long until they will have to tour America to see a tourist.  We will become so rare in Aruba they will think they have struck gold to see an American.   LOL  Jack b

What was this girls name again? Damn, I can hardly remember this.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/Car20070315_ambtenarenbonden

Hey you fixed it!
Thank you Klaas
:)

Yeah,she finally did post her link and it does say that about this guy but I sure don't know how she connected this killer to SM's.She is now backtracking.

Damn Jack...I'm gonna go to an *adult* party store...buy a *blow-up* party doll...send it to AHATA to *pose* on the beach...just to make it look like some bikini clad girl is there having fun....

That was a great post by SS!
She is not replying to me so I guess she doesn't want to play lol

 

could be.  Boeti got big feet.  I heard there was a tourist in Aruba here while back and they put them in a cage and charged the locals admission to see a real live tourist then they had to pay the tourist's way home and give him money to boot.   jack b

LOL,Jackb....they sure won't miss American's there but I know they WILL miss our $$$. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Caesu...Thanks for this post.  Weather here is getting shitty again...will post a reply later...

Karma,

"Smish" is getting down and dirty.  Go girl.    ::MonkeyDance::

LoL.......Julia thinks WE--the Monkeys helped Larry Garrison write Daves book, lmao.  ::MonkeyLaugh::
Glenda Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:18 pm snipped....
I believe Larry Garrison wrote the book with the help of the Monkeys... Using Dave's name

Well at least the pimps won't need to drug it up.  They'd have it used up in no time!  AND everybody stays safe!  I vote we send them a plane full! ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's just so pitiful.

LOL....I'll have to shower when I'm all done posting to her.

LOL,is she paranoid much?

YES!  AND got me started again!  Gotta back up my friends!  ::MonkeyWink::

That is a good idea, but Ahata may have ordered most of 'em already in case the pimps start molesting the locals, also to make their tourism brochures look like Americans of whiteness are visiting.  They got a whiteness thing.  We need to send multicultural dolls so we can appear to be representative of all Americans.  Jack b

:)  I think she ran off to another thread.

For our Dutch posters who have never heard "Natalee" ...the song written by Ericka Harvey. I love this song. It is my favorite of all the ones written for Natalee.  :smt022

Website belongs to BFN poster: lousw
Lyrics and MP3
http://nataleeannholloway.piczo.com/songsfornatalee?cr=5&linkvar=000044

Lyrics by Ericka Harvey:

"NATALEE"

I know your out there, somewhere
I can feel your presence
Pulling me, closely
Now even more than ever
I promise, to find you
I will never stop until I do

Cause everytime my heart beats
I want to cry
And everytime I take a breath
I long for you by my side
Needing just to hold you if even for awhile
Someway, somehow….Natalee where are you now?

Lord can you hear me, calling
Seeking out your face
To see you, shine through
Every cold dark place
I pray for and wait for
You to take me in your sweet embrace

Chorus ...
Someway, somehow...Oh Lord stay here with me now!

Bridge:
Oh my precious child be still and know
I’m holding on to hope and I won’t let go
I need to have you here with me
This is my prayer…this is my plea

Chorus
Oh I need you with me now…………..

looks like ahata was quick to act on that "blowup doll" idea

(http://i28.tinypic.com/214xsax.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: OMG LMAO

 

Yes, we could bomb them with the blow up dolls and teradactyl turds at the same time when they ran to get the dolls.  Some of Joran's dolls would have to have butt holes in front and back so they would look like Guido in dragg.   jack b

That is so freaking funny.  LOL LMAO.  Jack.

imagine the pimp trying to drug the dolls, doll dont pass out, pimp dont get it, uses drugs on himself, passes out and gets date raped by other pimps LOL

The pimps would try to sue the blow up dolls and say they were raped by them.  Sick bunch of pervs.  How they love the American dollah.    jack b

Just got back from the store to see the blowup dolls on the Bucati cam, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFLOL!   I just sat it too!   That is hilarious! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi SS and welcome to the cage.

roflmao!

WoW!  We have a book? 

I leave the cage for dinner and come back to find we've been published.  Next thing I know, Red will be head of ALE!

Second!!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm with you, Nut!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I need to put a little blindfold on my angel.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Pimps get rolled by the blow up dolls!  Joran did say he was looking for a bj.  Do you think this is what he meant?

Was it something I said?

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa::

OMG Monkeys, I've only been in this cage for 48 hours and I'm already in the middle of a jungle war. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm so sorry, Destiny.  I am praying for you guys.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

LOL!!!

Probably feeling guilty for all the help she gave Joran on his book.

Nut
That song always makes me tear up.

Looks like today in Aruba they had another protest.  A march near the airport.  From reading the comments it appears those making comments are affraid of what the tourists will think...go figure  ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4182/5/#jc_allComments

Maybe Greta should show a few shots....I liked the police shot from a few days ago.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I still don't know how anyone can tell the police are on strike.  What do they do, stop working (how can you tell)?  Boycott Frosted Flakes?

Does anyone know if Dynasty is OK?

She hasn't posted in a while but it could be her power is out.  Hopefully she'll check in when she can.

I think that show died in the 80's  ::MonkeyWink::

I know you meant Destiny :) I sure hope so! I see the storm caused a couple of casualties already :(

Waiting to hear from Destiny's Dynasty as we speak.

So if the monkeys helped write a book when do we get the royalty checks?   :roll:

Tot, too!

(Toto too?)

I believe so, I have often seen RU post about it.  It says those monkeys are a Royal pia.  That proves it.
 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Pia is paid in advance, right?

Right! 

Hi *******!  Nice to see your face in the place!

 ::MonkeyCool::

In case you missed Red's update on his front page post regarding AHATA suing Greta, here is a blast from the past.

CourtTV 12/23/05 with Steve Cohen, Joe Tacopina and RED from Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.youtube.com/v/o4hfZi9jpsk&hl=en

Complete liars these Ahata people.Polis,Prosecutor's,as well as judges Can't speak for themselves??The American media,as well as people are to smart to believe the BS that comes out of there mouths.There to close to the case.Steve Cohen,Rob smith?An American is gonna help you out none in my opinion.There playing Rob smith for a fool.Poor fella.He's grown so he can make his own decisions.They aren't always good ones.Woner if he was in the know about the letter sent to Greta.Any ideas??

Keepthefaith

Sorry about the spellings.Just watched the youtube and Taco,as well as anyone from Ahata makes me sick.Headin to the porcelain bus.Be back in a minute! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Always great to see you Bearlyhere :)

That video bothers me..It's great to see Red on talking about the case..But why hasn't he been back on? He's one person that network needed to get the details of the case right as well as breaking news..Sure would love to see Dayhiker or someone like that interviewed so he could speak his mind  ::MonkeyWink::

Steve Cohen..Just boggles my mind that he can say in front of millions at least two boys had sex with Natalee. Here we are two years later and the Kalpoes are suing for 800 million saying the opposite. Where in the Dossier did Mr.Cohen read that? Since he isn't a spokesperson anymore why doesnt he explain himself? Sounds to me that is in the police files,as AM Digital reported the same thing on June 4th 2005 that all 3 had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever!  :smt092 :2brickwall:

Get a message out to Greta to have Steve Cohen on the show to answer about that as well as the "Lawsuit" and see if he politely declines.Betcha he does!

He probably signed a confidentiality agreement like Charles Croes and others that they can't talk about the case. Rest assured his words will be used against Deepak as that trial proceeds. He didn't make up what he said,that was/is in Natalee's case files. Just mind boggling that the Arubans deny it. That "Lawsuit" is completely laughable..Once again AHATA shows how ridiculously stupid they are,what are the people in that country smoking?

Tell Ahata members Keepthefaith is willing to donate money to there airtravel,as well as hotel accomodations if they file and proceed with the lawsuit.Check will be post dated for after the trial!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

P.S.Do more lurking then posting and it is great to see you back *******.You have much knowledge,as well as passion to give.I thank you!!


Keepthefaith

I know this is long but this is from Johan from Holland who posts here at SM. He started posting at the FOK forums and is approaching 100,000 hits on his topics(In the Rebound)just in the last 2 months! He prefers to write in Dutch,but he is definetly on the ball and has gained much respect from the Dutch bloggers.
====================

Yes what I personally believe is that he had idly and that her blood oid. Jorans on shoes have done. (Where he was).
They can always leave those shoes somewhere emergence / with Joran's blood on it.
That is more or less "hard" evidence against Joran.
So Fam v / d Sloot knows that course and know that they are fully in the Tang.
If Joran then tell what really happened, they believe him (justice) is not because of that blood on the shoes.
And I think the perpetrators / maffiosi long since disappeared from the island, perhaps they ingehuurden strangers for Joran.
I think all this happened to Paul v / d Sloot a huge chop to continue.
As a lawyer has vd Sloot in boxmeer 20 years learned to remember that there was a bypass.
So he can imagine that a case has had on Aruba, as a lawyer or as a deputy judge someone a lot of money or a reputation took
Or for a longer time behind bars disappeared.
There seems also a trader in hard stone are those caused by v / d shut out of the island had. But I am not quite sure how that is. ******* would go out.
Yes on those searches to v / d ditch, which did not want someone to be in the house of vd Sloot was sought. Die obviously had something to hide.
  The man who did was open Jacob a white judge on aruba and friend of the family vd closed.

By this I will write a piece about this Jacob white set, but once you have thoroughly read!

Of course, there are trolls in a variety of forums that are trying to invalidate, perhaps that the fam vd closed themselves, family, hired people and joran and whether his friends.
THE TROL:
A troll is preferably using arguments that have been used by others, and proved effective in sowing unrest and uncertainty, and will not mention that, in fact, another (sort of) quoted. A troll will never against a whole group, except in an attempt to present himself as a victim of a part thereof. By itself against a limited number of persons to establish a troll who is trying to isolate, and the attention to lead. By also controllable right to make statements or acts, a troll the impression to be seriously engaged, while the actual purpose of his actions lies in the firing of unrest, and the creation of human beings against each other, in short: in seeding of tweedracht, through lies and half-truths.
Then you also have the phenomenon sock puppet (sock puppet)
This is someone who is below 4 Ex under names register on a forum and then trying to manipulate things.
Then there are those meatpuppets this is a person who all his friends, acquaintances, relatives, etc. to also call to contribute to discussions.

JACOB WIT AND HIS FRIEND PAUL VD CONCLUDED

The most remarkable and dubious role in the whole issue plays
No son Joran, but father Paul van der Sloot. After graduating rights
In Tilburg he works for a time as a lawyer in the Netherlands for citizens
In their opposition to the government, but soon after
Acquainted with his future wife leaves him to Aruba. He
Remain friends in the Netherlands, including Judge Robert Jacob
Wit. From 2003 he was deputy justice for the Antillean Court
Justice and the end of 2005, he judge in training, but then
He lawyer. During that time he learns the justice
System, and especially the personal networks continue to improve. It
Is a small world on Aruba and everybody knows everybody. If necessary
We know each other is to be found in the bar or casino.

Therefore, Paul van der Sloot Police also Jan van der Straten
Know and they are thick friends. Possibly that Paul regularly via Jan
The coal from the fire picks for zoonlief when he once again what girls
Has picked up, too much money has vergokt or something has too much marijuana
. 'We know our' and as Joran in the broadcast of Peter R. The
Vries known, "I 'have something on them'."
Very quickly, Jan van der Straten as research on the matter
Holloway put. Hoofdofficier of Justice Karin Janssen: "There is vast
Come to that already a few days after the disappearance of the father
Boy speaks of the fact that there is no case without a corpse would. "
Justice Minister Rudy Croes confirms this almost immediately and
Also that there are 'many suspicious telephone calls between Paul van der Sloot
And Jan van der Straten went back and forth during the early stages of the
Research. Van der Straten ensures that Paul van der Sloot all
Police and FBI investigations and blocks will in no way
Access for Van der Sloot to the digital scholars in the
Judicial computers. Meanwhile advises his son to palief
Silence and nothing to say. On the day that the search for a welded
Of the home of Joran and the parents, does Judge-friend
  Jacob White and gets the door open for one another in the search
Parental home, and later to silent amazement
Frustration of the PPS.

The court commissioner (that is now Jacob WIT), which deals with the matter Holloway refuses Van der
Sloot now for a third time to arrest, while there are so many new
Proof lies. The same person (Jacob White) refused then the whole house
Paul van der Sloot to investigate.

I think Joran a number of names from the publicity means, from fear
Really everything to lose and ultimately incorporated to
In the clinic, which he already by Jan van der Straten was
Recommended.

Your a nice person,you even included accomodations  ::MonkeyHaHa:: This isn't just Greta they want to sue it's everyone,they would love to try and sue Dave and Beth as well..Like Greta says bring it!  ::MonkeyCool::

Great to be here along side of you as well..You bring a lot of hope and happiness to the cage :) I hope someday soon we can all see this come to a end..These people are just too stupid to get away with this.

******* - can you condense to bullet points what Johan's post says, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is no way Joran is in a hospital of any sorts. If that was true then Aruba would be yelling it from the rooftops just to let the U.S. know they have taken care of him. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Am i correct to infer at the end of this Johan believes Joran is in fact in the Psych ward,and or clinic?? ::MonkeyDance::

I disagree.  I think he could be in a psych facility for his own protection.

Maybe he's locked away with the Hannibal mask on why Ahata attempts their Lawsuit.Wouldn't want big mouth opening his trap...

Yup I believe so..Maybee Johan will see this post and tell us a little about his research in english  ::MonkeyWink::

That would be much appreciated if Johan could do that.Headin off to watch "Gone baby Gone".Girlfriend keeps hollerin from the front room.Will be back on after the movie to catch up.Thanx *******.

Keepthefaith ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::
I know what you mean Klaas, I've read it three times!  I get some of the points but I'm sure I'm missing others. 

Well I would agree to that but ONLY for protection just like when he was held at KIA. He was in there for nothing more than protection and to control his mouth.

Hi guys! I've been catching up, or trying to. How long has it been now since Joran's been MIA? I remember after the "confession" him moving out of "Granny's" and he was in an apt. for a short time. Is that the last we know?

Yes, that was the last time we saw him when the cameras were chasing him.  ::MonkeyWink::

In the same vein as the AHATA exercise in audacious idiocy, a little tidbit:

While walking through the Galleria Mall in Natalee's hometown today, one encounters a new car drawing setup which advertises that the winner of the said sweepstakes can win this car... or a trip to you-know-where.  :roll:

Like anyone in their right mind in this town wants an all-expense paid ONE WAY trip to oblivion courtesy of the island goon squad. They have NO shame. I'm sure Beth would have just LOVED to have seen that.

On the bright side though, it shows that they are desperate to revive tourism. Successful destinations don't need to give away trips to lure business.

I have the same problem as the translator doesnt always do it's job. I have to look up words like Zoonlief (Lovely Boy I think) ::MonkeyWink:: Johan was one of the first to read Beth's book in Holland so it would be interesting to see what him and Katrien thought of it. I know Flipper also from Holland said his draw dropped when he read Daves book,he even told me he had a tear in his eye.

It will be interesting to see how many book's Beth sells in Holland because so many only knew mis-information that made Natalee and Beth look bad. I noticed nthey don't feel the same about Dave.

I would like to know if there are connections to be made in reference to PVDS involvement with either of the Judges Witt or Smid in the Netherlands before moving to Aruba.  From what I've read Smid was installed as a Judge in Curacao on Sept 24 2005 (link below). Before this I find that he was a Judge in the Oberstaatsamwalt, Dept. of Justice, Rotterdam, The Netherlands.   

 
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Hi SB

Yes, they are getting so desperate they are going to sue Greta now, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I really am behind............has Beth's book been translated, or are they reading it in English? I'm thrilled it's available there! With the stir the DeVries tape caused there, there should be lots of interest!



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I did a little research on Greta and her husband last night. I WOULD NOT want to come up against that pair in court! Her hubby's practice is a real HEAVYWEIGHT! Her sister ran for a Senate seat and is a forensic psychiatrist, and he authored the class action suit against the tobacco companies in the 1990's and won. They've attending White House State dinners and hosted fund raisers for the Democratic Party. I so wish Aruba would take them on!

(added HOSTED fundraisers.....)

Beth's book recently went on sale in the NL in Dutch  ::MonkeyWink::

Thats a great question TM! The rumors were that PVDS was close to SMit and he even stayed at the VDS house. From what I read PVDS spent a lot of time in holland and curacao where he easily could have met this guy. He worked for so many years in the same kind of work in Holland and Aruba for all we know they could go way back.

No question PVDS knew Wit as he was training these Judges the same time PVDS was in training. For all we know it was him who reccomended PVDS to be a judge in the first place after knowing him as a lawyer,working for the Govt or the Prosecuters office. Sure would be nice if we had something more concrete. Where is Tuan Huys(Dutch Reporter)when we need him!   ::MonkeyWink::

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I predict it will be well recieved in Holland, and I'd love it to be available in Aruba.

klaas, I no sooner got caught up a few days ago than I got busy again and have been MIA for the better part of this week...

BTW, how can anyone in their right mind connect the WPB Wendy's shooting with Natalee? These people are at a level of sickness that boggles the mind. What makes that poster on the Gretawire think that the guy down there had an interest in our case more so than the usual? I mean, yeah, understandably, if he had pictures of her   on his walls at home or something indicating an obsession... that's not good, but that doesn't mean that everyone who follows the case is a potential killer.

We have seen it all with this case, no doubt. It just keeps on going on, and on, and on... the craziness.

Yes, it probably would have helped my understanding if I'd have looked up some of the words too!  I'm hoping Johan will tell us more, and would love to know what he and Katrien thought about Beth's book.

One of our Dutch monkeys (Caesu I think, but not sure) posted the other day that sales of Beth's book seemed to be slow, or it didn't make the top 60 in sales at least.  I wish more would read it, but it's understandable since they've only heard the "trash talk" for almost 3 years now. 

Hi CBB!!  ::MonkeyCool:: I won't be needing a Easter Avatar this year as I won't be around to use it..I'M moving soon so I will be MIA for a few weeks..

However I am dying to break out my 4th of July one you made for me..Heck I may just use it all year around because I like it so much!  ::MonkeyWink::

SB - no shortage of crazys in this case, that's for sure!

Was the promotion by a local dealership?  If so, do you remember which one?  Maybe I'll write a letter, and find the phone number for Destiny, send a little SHAME their way!  Speaking of Destiny, I wish we'd hear from her and Tot!  I'm worried!