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This is as close as I've ever been to FIRST!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Good morning all.

Good Morning msmarple....nice to see you! ::MonkeyCool::

I sure hope Klaas is feeling better today!

Good AM Ladies  <g >  cool but going to be a nice day in Ohio,  Get well wishes to  Klaas also . ::MonkeyWink::

That's not JR

Isn't his Momma Alidia Rodenburg ?

way small.....this was his avy
I forgot how small it was, lol.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranThailand.jpg)

Who is this guy and why were they in Thailand? We know there is a Jeroen Rodenburg /Jr Dutch Attorney,who is a avid Joran supporter who started the blog FOB...Is this him? What connection does this guy and his mother from Arizona have in this case?

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I believe this pic is a fake... notice the blur at this size around Joran as well as the man behind him then look at everyone else...no blur...Joran loves photoshop... this is clearly not real..

Here's a working link for my last post....

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4142

Did you see the pics Glenda posted of him?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg376863;topicseen#msg376863

RWV gets interesting again.  Posts by plhtx:



Does anyone read or belong to Bring Natalee Home? Lexy you do. Did you see the interview between Michael Dompig and Julie Banderas on April 22, 2006 posted? There was not link to it, but has some interesting things in it. Michael claims he is not friends with Joran. Wasn't he listed as a character witness in that 1st lawsuit Beth filed agains Joran? I used to have a list of them, but can not locate it. Then Michael also says he does not know the Kalpoes. Guess they are new found friends with the pictures floating around of them on RU. I guess I'm not able to to copy and paste from that site. If I could, I would bring it over. Also, Robin says she was with Dave when he spoke to Michael at the HI and Michael claims that Paulus took Koen's boat out.

Posted by: plhtx | Friday, May 02, 2008 at 04:55 PM

Just figured it out how to bring it over here

April 22, 2006
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE

Julie Banderas and Michael Dompig

Julie:
You've never heard this before, in this exclusive report I sat down with Michael Dompig and he dishes the dirt on the current suspect.

Michael:
He's a typical kid, only thing is he's childish. He's 19 he's hyperactive, he's not really, he doesn't behave himself in public, jumping around, jumping into conversations and he lies a lot about who he is. He tells ppl he's something he's not. He was working Visibility Team, he'd say "I'm a cop, my dad is the boss", which is not true

Julie
There are lots of pics of him and girls, one with a girl in a bikini, he's quite a lady's man

M:
He tries to be, obviously he's a show off, but he's not that successful

Julie
How does he get girls?

M:
I went out with him two times, he buys lots of drinks for the girl, when they are drunk that's the way he gets them.

J:
How does he get the drinks?

M:
Buys them, he's got money

J:
what do you think about J2K's, they've lied about a lot of things

M:
I can't say anything, I don't know about everybody, but they're all lying
I've met Joran, I can't say we're friends, but I know him

I don't know the Kalpoes that well

Julie
Let's compare Joran and Geoffrey, compare them. Who do you think you'd look at as having something in them who could ....

M:
Geoffrey, I know him. I don't know Joran...I can't suspect him. I know the way he is, he would make the girls drunk to get that far and you know when the person, you're in that situation things get out of hand

J:
Girls ever complain about that

M:
No, not to me

J:
What about drugs...

M:
No, not that I know, never seen him use drugs either.


J:
What do you think they're going to think of you coming forward and talking to the media

M:
Everybody will criticize but it's not my problem I don't care. It's my family getting hurt, saying were friends, telling stuff about us being related to the Kalpoes which is definitely not true. I want to clear my name, tell you everything on my side, what I know so that everybody out there knows the truth from Michael


J:
What is it like to be the son of Deputy Chief Dompig, who got so much attention

M:
It's terrible, everybody is trying to get information out of me...they also use your name in lot of things, make statements and use my name in it, trying to hurt my father, trying to bring him down. I see my father everyday with his face stressed out and sad

Posted by: plhtx | Friday, May 02, 2008 at 04:56 PM

M:
I can't say anything, I don't know about everybody, but they're all lying
I've met Joran, I can't say we're friends, but I know him
_____________

Why would Michael be listed as a character witness for Joran in the NY lawsuit?

Posted by: plhtx | Friday, May 02, 2008 at 04:58 PM


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Today at 11:45am, glenda wrote:Robin, does Dave remember what Michael said to him in the Lobby of the HI? Michael told me sometime last year that he and Dave still communicate by e-mail.


Glenda, I was there with him. There were a couple of girls in the Holiday Inn lobby close to the elevators. Dave and I first heard them telling a couple of guys that they were scared to go to C&C's. We immediately stopped to see what was going on. The girls went on. We talked to the guys, one of them was Michael Dompig. I have no idea who the other one was. He was young, handsome, had a lot of eyebrow rings in his eyebrow if that helps. Michael told us about prior scraps/fights he and his friends had with Joran. Also, that he "heard" Paulus took a boat out that night, maybe the next. I am sorry, it has been so long, I don't remember. He was very polite. So was the other guy. We saw the other guy the next night at the Holiday Inn sitting with the same girls and different guy. When he was with this guy, and I would recognize the guy if I saw pictures, he was being very discreet with him at the bar. That is what I remember.

As far as Michael being in email contact with Dave, he is not home right now, so I cannot ask him, but I hope they have been in contact.


Posted by: plhtx | Friday, May 02, 2008 at 05:02 PM





hmmmmm...

Why don't the idiots just ask the Paul Van Der SLoot's corrupt friends/officials like the ALE,Judges and Prosecutors from June/July. They most certainly covered up Natalee's Murder and all the evidence and they hold all the answers,but yet they are never questioned even when caught in blatant lies. Since Van Der Straten was a Dutch cop being payed by the Dutch Govt that shouldn't be a problem,but they will probably tell us they cant because it happened in Aruba. The Aruban's will tell us they can't because he was working for the Dutch  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Everyone knows it's a obvious ridiculous cover up,but here they are acting so desperate that they will listen to psychics and take whatever they tell them seriously. This is a sick joke.

Sorry to hear Klaas is sick. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Seriously maybe the dust from the renovation at her house?

Hi BB..I was thinking the same thing..She told me she could barely breath a few days ago :(

Barfdoll@RU

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED

ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.

The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.

The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.

Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.

The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.

Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.

Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.

According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.

In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.

The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?

If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?

On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?

In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.

That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.

Yes, it is pretty easy to get a pneumonia, maybe that is what she has?from  the dust caused by demolition. A few days of  IV antibiotics should get her back here where she belongs.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks again San for the edit.

Google translation from Dutch:

ORANJESTAD - The Aruban public prosecutor takes to solve the Holloway case also the information from experienced mediums taken seriously.

Novum News

So far, already more than ten reported psychics who said knowing how or where the American Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba in 2005.

"One of them certainly knew that the girl is still alive and lives in Venezuela," said Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos. "Another thought that it remains on the east side of the island lies buried.

We attract all information about the case after, even if it goes to tips from people who present themselves as a medium. "

Netherlands

The use of paragnosten with police and justice Mos is not strange. "In the Netherlands there is also used waarzeggers. Well, I understand that there is never really a case is resolved."

The OM has no intention of the investigation into the Holloway case to a conclusion now suspect Joran van der Sloot "the cat has tied the bell."
   

http://www.nu.nl/news/1550841/20/Paragnosten_komen_af_op_zaak-Holloway.html


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::
      

On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
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The answer is Natalee dissapeared right after her second contact with Paul Van Der Sloot,most likely at 4AM. She has never been heard from or seen ever again. Since Paul's friends(Corrupt Officials) are caught lying about blocking the search of the Van Der Sloot home for two years it is obvious Natalee was in that home.

I believe all the early rumors like PVDS being seen at Mcdonalds,ATM withdrawls and the reported phone calls will all be proven to be true. Now where did Joran catch the bus the next day from and who made and received the 6:30AM phone call?  :wink:

It make me wonder who really killed her.  Sometimes I say Joran and other times I say Paulus.  I lean more towards Joran and his violent temper but Paulus is never far away.  They are covering for Paulus not Joran.

I see your vision....oh Carnack Janet..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:    
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


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It make me wonder who really killed her.  Sometimes I say Joran and other times I say Paulus.  I lean more towards Joran and his violent temper but Paulus is never far away.  They are covering for Paulus not Joran.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/carnack.jpg)

Since PVDS is lying about events before she even went missing,his alibi and was arrested for complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping...I think it's a very real possibility he picked her out,especially after the court ruling and seeing the casino video of Natalee and him talking,watching him drink alcohol and gamble while Anita was away. Natalee vanished off of the face of the earth just a few hours after that! I am still leaning on it being a pimp night that included drugging,raping and filming but PVDS is up to his eyeballs in the events before,during and after Natalee dissapeared.

My guess is she put up a fight and Joran and Guido tried to restrain her,after getting punched in the face Joran probably went into a rage and hurt her badly out of anger and embarassment. She was drugged,raped and scared to death and fought to get away. It was Paul Van Der Sloot who decided to deny her medical attention and decided it was better that she dissapeared without a trace.MO

Holloway case attracts psychics

(http://www.telesport.nl/multimedia/archive/00154/natalee_jpg_154480d.jpg)

pulbished: 3 May 2008 00.04

ORANJESTAD - The Aruban Public Prosecution Service takes the information from experienced psychics in solving the Holloway case serious.

So far already more than ten psychics said they know how or to where the American Natalee Holloway in 2005, on Aruba disappeared.

"One of them knew certainly that the little girl still lives and is Venezuela", explained chief public prosecutor Hans Mos. Another one thought that they buried her on the East side of the island.

We check all information in this case, also if tips are from people who present themselves as a psychic.

The Netherlands

The use of psychics at police force and judicial authorities is according to Mos not unusual. "In the Netherlands psychics are also used. However, I have understood that by it never led to case being really solved".

The Public Prosecution Service is not yet of planning the conclude the investigation in the Holloway case surrounding the suspect Joran van der Sloot since he 'the cat the bell has attached to himself'. (this expression means: someone who is attracting the attention to themselves)

Mos: "Due to the broadcast of Peter R. de Vries a torrent of information is coming in motion. And Van Der Sloot himself is to blame for bringing the case back to life. (i am paraphrasing another expression here) Like he always does in the media.

Bijleveld: 1993 Protocol with Aruba still actual

ORANJESTAD – Also due to the political developments in the Neth.Antilles, the engagements as laid down in the protocol of 1993 between the Netherlands and Aruba, are still current, said the Dutch state secretary of Kingdom Relations, Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) in a letter to the Lower House.

“In view of those political developments, I would like to actualize these engagements”, writes Bijleveld to the Lower House.  “I will deliberate with the Aruban government about the actualization of the protocol.”

The debate on Chapter IV of the budget of the Kingdom – Kingdom Relations – took place on Wednesday, December 5, 2007.  With this letter, Bijleveld gives her promise to figure out if the protocol of 1993 between the Netherlands and Aruba is still valid, a personal interpretation.  She thinks that it is still valid.  “It was never put in writing that the protocol was completely settled or that it is concluded.  Since there is no final date mentioned in the protocol, it is basically still valid.”

The government has taken on commitments back and forth in the protocol.  A great deal of issues has already been given interpretation in the 90’s.  They have on a regular basis been reporting to the Lower House until 1998.  A few issues have not been realized.  The Kingdom Relations-minister has pointed out to the Aruban government, the importance that the Netherlands still values to the agreements made in 1993, like good financial management, good governance, the importance of accountability, financial-economic stability, and budget standardization.  The then Prime Minister of the Netherlands Ruud Lubber (CDA) and former premier of Aruba Henny Eman (AVP) have signed the protocol.

Yes, it is pretty easy to get a pneumonia, maybe that is what she has?from  the dust caused by demolition. A few days of  IV antibiotics should get her back here where she belongs.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks again San for the edit.

When I consider the formal suspicions of those who were detainined in the Natalee Holloway case ... I suspect that a blow ... not necessarily a fatal blow ... was administered by Guido.  He was the only one suspected of "heavy battery".

However ... viet vet claims that a man told him that Joran had hit Natalee with a bat and ... that Joran had slept at the school.  The sleeping at the school turned out to be true ... Beth confirms it in LOVING NATALEE.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

On June 1, 2005 Beth and Jug were interrogated intensively by Dennis Jacobs regarding seizures and ... Joran's words in the video recording pertaining to "shaking" makes me think that Joran confessed to Natalee last moments in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement and ... Natalee died of a drug overdose ... maybe a combination of GHB and alcohol.

Janet

++++++++++++

DETENTION OF FORMAL SUSPECTS

Karin Janssen:

1.  Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

2.  Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping. 06/2005

3.  Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder 06/2005
 
4. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

5. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005

6. Steve Croes - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. 06/2005
 
7. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. 06/2005

9. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway. 04/2006

9. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen. 05/2006

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions. 09/2005

Freddy Arambatzis - Suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor. (Unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.) 09/2005


Hans Mos:

Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007

Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway. 11/2007


viet vet - Jug Twitty's friend
FP comments
December 6

66.  viet vet on December 6th, 2006 8:11 pm
Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/06/diario-they-went-into-panic-when-natalee-remained-passed-out/

Good Night ... AZSunny, jackb, texasmom, cajun miracle and 5 Guests (who) are viewing this topic.

Janet
9:20 PM

+++++++++++

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Yes, it is pretty easy to get a pneumonia, maybe that is what she has?from  the dust caused by demolition. A few days of  IV antibiotics should get her back here where she belongs.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks again San for the edit.

Barfdoll@RU

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED

ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.

The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.

The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.

Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.

The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.

Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.

Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.

According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.

In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.

The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?

If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?

On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?

In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.

That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.

In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.

Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:    
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks Buckeye!

Of course the original post was edited (as in all words were deleted  ::MonkeyHaHa::) by the time I got to Scrux to check up on Jonathan45 -- who is one of my favorite posters. btw  ::MonkeyCool::



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

It make me wonder who really killed her.  Sometimes I say Joran and other times I say Paulus.  I lean more towards Joran and his violent temper but Paulus is never far away.  They are covering for Paulus not Joran.

Thanks Buckeye!

Of course the original post was edited (as in all words were deleted  ::MonkeyHaHa::) by the time I got to Scrux to check up on Jonathan45 -- who is one of my favorite posters. btw  ::MonkeyCool::



JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGg0gextFY

In this video Mrs. v.d. Sloot tells she thinks investigation is needed "on the other side".
She tells that for instance the keycard of Natalee's room was threee (three fingers up while telling),
times used the night Natalee disappeared.
Yes of course, there were fououour people sleeping in that room, so without Natalee that's threeeee.
She tells that looking at the reactions in the beginning one would think that the girl was run away.

Instead of taking her responsibility for her son, she tries to blame Natalee and her mother. ::MonkeyNoNo::

People who do things like this, I mean blaming the mother and suggesting things of a totally normal 18 year old student, must have a very good reason to do this. ::MonkeyEek::

As far as I have seen, all the sources from the rumours about Natalee and her mother come from Joran, his mother, Renee Gielen and the fortunetellers.

And that's what I find very suspicous. ::MonkeyCool::

Oh San yoohoo sorry to make more work for you, but could you please edit in Missing Persons again for me? thanks in advance.......

Felicia Mikels  BODY FOUND

Oh San yoohoo sorry to make more work for you, but could you please edit in Missing Persons again for me? thanks in advance.......

Felicia Mikels  BODY FOUND

This is the pic of locoman that I have always found the most sinister

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/37420561_75c180d68b.jpg?v=0)

Freddy....Freddy....Freddy....

Why has Freddy been so protected?  Why did it take months to find out that Freddy was probably arrested and was kept quiet very early in this case?  Why has Freddy been one of the most often discussed topics in the Shango forum for months now?  Why did Freddy need to tell Anita what he said?  What did Anita know that Freddy possibly knew that would incriminate her sporter?  Interesting to note are those that are questioned around the same time as Freddy and then notice the actions taken by ALE.  Freddy was a hot topic to Joran and the Kalpoes in the van conversation.  Clearly, the Kalpoes felt Freddy could get them released from jail if only he would tell the truth.

What does Freddy know?   MuminOhio probably knows about as much about Freddy as anyone here. She knows his names...places he's lived and worked and just about anyone he's associated with...she's the Freddy expert. IMO

....and why was freddy let out of jail in August 2005 after being jailed and serving a couple of days?

Are we speculating or does she have pneumonia?  Is she in the hospital?  I do hope she is OK.

Me too.  Should we start a prayer chain....or maybe send her a realllllly big monkey???
I hope she is resting and getting better.  Good thing she checked herself in.

Diario September, 2007.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?  

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?  

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too


Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.

As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

The email was to get the made up story on paper so they wouldn't forget it.  He played the innocent "student", in the email because that is what the media was calling them.  He was no student. Deepak states, already that first night, in mailing J Croes, that he was establishing an alibi.

Were can we find the E.mail?

How do we know it is really Deepak?

Do you think Joran rapes a girl together with his slaves?

There is a statement regarding them all participating in the same room...but supposedly...not with the same girl.... ::MonkeyRoll::

Hi BB..I was thinking the same thing..She told me she could barely breath a few days ago :(

Steve told Deepak that he had seen them leaving with Natalee and that he had seen them dropping Natalee at the Holliday in.
Deepak told this is not possible because they did not drop Natalee at the Holiday in.

I have to believe Deepak here, because how comes Steve seeing the Deepak brothers leaving with Natalee from C&C and dropping her at the Holiday Inn?

That would be very coincidental.

The only explanation for Steven seeing Deepak leaving C&C with Natalee and dropping Natalee at the Holiday Inn is, if he had followed them. ::MonkeyConfused::

But why did Steven told the Deepak he has seen him?
Is Steven friends of the VanderSloots?

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?

So Deepak could understand and write English.
Do you believe Natalee started to talk about Hitler and Natalee told this stories, or do you believe Deepak only heard the word Hitler?

We do not know who started this conversation. It is possible that, when Natalee said she did not want to go with three men in a car, Joran, as big blond man (having in consideration the stories Joran told about the difference between black and white), told Natalee not to worry because Deepak en Satish were his slaves.

The slavestorie comes from somewere, otherwise it would not be used all the time.

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?  

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

Good morning.  Just checking in and catching up.  The idea they were living in this house while all this work was going on concerned me greatly but in the midst of my own drama, I just hoped it was adequately ventilated.  This worries me greatly so I should keep on reading on ......oh nevermind......

Where do you think the slave stories came from? 

Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now.  ::MonkeyCool::

Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now.  ::MonkeyCool::

Two weeks ago my brother came home from work in the afternoon it was approximately 16.00 hours. My brother came to my room. He told me that during the day, while he was working, a boy had come up to him named Steve and that he had told him that he had seen us dropping off the girl at the Holiday Inn. My brother had told me that Steve could tell in detail how he had seen us leave Carlos & Charlies and had seen us later at the Holiday Inn. Steve supposedly also saw how the girl had fallen down and how our long friend had helped the girl get back to her feet. My brother had told me that this guy Steve had given him his phone-number, just in case he had to go to the police and give a statement as a witness. According to my brother this guy Steve told him that he was supposed to go to work that day, but that he didn't go to work. My brother had told me that he had seen Steve before, but that he hadn't known his name. I asked my brother how that was possible because we didn't drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn.

To your question as to what I think the story of this Steve is all about, I can state the following. My brother and me both thought it was strange. I cannot give any explanation for it.

To your question whether I believe what Joran had told us, I can state the following. I do not believe everything that Joran had told us. I think that Joran did not tell the truth to us.

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.

So do you want us all to give up and go away? 

How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride.

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with this case, I'll eat my laptop. They should be fuming at the Van Der Sloots and not Dr. Phil if they had nothing to do with it... and they would have turned over the documents requested by the Dr. Phil attorneys months ago.

nice that they hide behind Article 45. NOT!!!

Any other entity suing as the Kalpoes have and not turning over the docs -> the case would have been dismissed 6 months ago. It's apparent that the CA civil suit judge is bending over backwards for those cretins.

They are slaves, remember ::MonkeyCool::

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.

How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?







Are these the words of an experienced liar.

Sorry for the word "rape". It are not my word, I took the word from Mrs. Holloway.

How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?

:::snip:::
Briany,you have not answered my question above.

How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.

Briany

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway then are they just plain stupid?  They must be real idiots to have cooperated with the Sloots for so long.  I don't know anyone that would have allowed themselves to be intimidated or coerced as the Kalpoes have been.  The Kalpoes have had their chances over and over to clear themselves of any wrongdoing...the only time they have ever been released of anything was when Joran last confessed he allowed Natalee to die on the beach in his presence. 

And as for Shango and Simian....maybe you should read that forum a little more...you would like them...they never....ever implicate the Kalpoes or Joran in anything.  If you know so much about Shango and Simian maybe you could tell us who they really are and while you are at it please enlighten us as to who Alcazar and Gordon are also...not to mention all those other nicknames of people that think it's anyone but Joran...and Paulus....and the Kalpoes...better yet...why would Freddy need to tell the truth?  Why hasn't he cleared the Kalpoes of any wrong doing?  It seems pretty obvious that Deepak and Satish feel he could. 

The Kalpoes could easily clear their name if they would comply with the law and produce the documents needed in the Dr. Phil case...I wonder why they have yet to do that?  The mere fact that Deepak knew what was going to happen and yet allowed Joran to be in charge and Natalee remain in the car tells me he is not innocent in all this.  Deepak was the oldest in the car and he was the driver... he was responsible for taking care of his guest...but then again that would be an old fashioned attitude that might include some morals also.  Don't think I have seen that very often in those young punks on Aruba. 

Prove to me that the Kalpoes are not implicit in Natalee's disappearance and I will issue you an apology.

If you are going to take words(from what happened to Natalee on aruba)then also add:murder,kidnapping,coverup and injustice.
These statements above are made by deepak and satish right?Didn't deepak also say in a statement that the night after Natalee disappeared,joran called him on the phone and they met at the casino then went to joran's house?
Wasn't there also 2 guys who saw deepak's car at the van der sloots house BEFORE Beth arrived there that same night?
So was deepak with joran or not(the night after Natalee's disappearance)?
And like Rob stated above,IF the kalpoe's had/have nothing to hide,IF they were not directly involved in the kidnapping,murder and rape of Natalee....why have they not turned over all documents requested in their case against doc Phil?

PROCES-VERBAAL

Statement Suspect D.S. KALPOE

We, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively sergeant first class and sergeant with the Korps Politie Aruba and both detached to the section Often occurring crimes District 11, declare the following.

On June 13th 2005 at about 10:20 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.. Before the interview/interrogation started the suspect D.S. KALPOE was informed that he was not obliged to answer the questions. and that his statement would be recorded on videotape.

The statement he made in Dutch was transcribed and went as follows. "To your question as to what I did on Monday June 30th 2005, I will say the following.

On that Monday in question, I woke up around 13.30 hours. When I came out of my room, I saw that Satish had also come out of his room. Our mother came up to us, and was angry, and talked to us about the fact that we went out and that Satish hadn't gone to school. I walked through the living room and turned on the television. My brother joined me there and we watched the television. At some point I got up and went to my mother and asked her if Satish's school had indeed called about him. After this I went back to my room and switched on the computer.

I immediately went on "msn" and started chatting with my boss and my co-worker. It is a habit of mine that I switch on my computer and go to “msn” when I get home. After that I left my room and bathed. After this I ate. At about 15.30 hours, my brother drove me to work with my car because I do not want to park my car in the parking lot. After that I started working.
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At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school.

I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido. I do not know Guido's last name. I do know that he works at the Excelsior Casino as a dealer, I told Joran that I would call later and after that I hung up the phone. Then I continued working.

At about 23:00 hours, I called Joran again on his mobile phone using the telephone of my workplace. I asked him again how he was doing and what he was doing. Joran told me that he was in the Raddison casino together with Guido. I told him that I would be coming to where he was. Joran asked me, are you going to come? I said to him, yes, I am going to come. After this I hung up the phone.

I have to remark that there was a chance that I called my brother on his mobile phone with the telephone from my workplace. Sometimes I do that and sometimes I don't. I do not know if I did it that day.

At about 23:05 hours, my brother came and picked me up with my car. We then drove home. My brother was driving the car. We took the main road to our house. On the way home, I told Satish that Joran was at the casino and that i was going to meet him there. My brother wanted to come too. I told him he wasn't allowed to come, I also told him that he hadn't gone to school and that I didn't want any trouble with my mother.

Between 23:25 hours and 23:35 hours, we arrived home. Satish got out of the car and I got behind the steering wheel. After that I drove through town to the Raddison Casino.

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" in the Radisson Casino. I know that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

At about 02:15 hours, we, that is Andre and me, said to Joran that we weren't having fun anymore, and that he should cash in his chips so that we could leave. Joran was in agreement and went to cash in his chips. After this Joran exited the poker room and went to the bathroom. When he was done the four of us went into the casino and stood there. We had been talking about the tourist that had been looking for trouble. Because all of the blackjack tables in the casino were full, Joran and I decided to go to the Wyndham Casino. Guido had said that he was going home and that he would drop off Andre at his place. Joran and me walked to my car that was parked on the parking lot. We got into the car and we drove to the Wyndham Hotel.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

At approximately 02:40, we arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. I had turned up the volume of the music in my car to loud. At some point the woman that lives next door to Joran came out and called Joran over to her. The neighbor told Joran to turn the volume of the music down, she had a baby in the house and the music was too loud. Joran came over to me and told me to turn the volume down. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes. After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

We waited approximately another 7 minutes. Joran's father came together with the police, a white van with the family and a green Yaris. I think the mother of the girl was in the back of the Yaris. The officers approached us. They had separated us. I am not sure who she was, but a woman came up to us with a picture and asked us if we had gone out with this girl yesterday. I said yes. I think Joran also said yes. After that the police asked us what exactly had happened. I then told the Holiday Inn story to the police officer. That was the made up story. After that I asked the officer what exactly was the matter. The officer answered that the girl had gone missing. After that my conversation with the officers ended and they went to talk to Joran. Joran had told his story. One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the Windham casino earlier that afternoon. Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on the camera. An American man said to me: "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing". Then Joran's father got angry and said to the man in English: "You are out of your jurisdiction". The police then calmed the situation down. After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police. I have to admit that I had made up the story of the security guard. Joran acted a bit difficult, but we decided to go to the Holiday Inn. I locked my car. Me and Joran and his dad got into the back of the police car. We drove to police station Noord. I guess they were asking for permission. Then we drove from the police station to the Holiday Inn.

Between 03:20 hours and 03:25 hours, we had arrived at the Holiday Inn Hotel. When we arrived there, the police officers went to the manager of the security guards to try and get the details of the security guards that worked at the hotel. We had remained outside in front of the entrance. We just waited. Joran and his dad were talking at the police car. I could not hear what they were saying. I stood at one of the concrete pillars in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him, I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sport shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sport shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated. Then I said to him that it was bothersome, because my mother was waiting for me. The man asked me if I wanted to call my mother. I said to him, yes, but I don't have any more minutes. The man then asked me for the number. I gave the man Satish's number. The man punched in the numbers and gave the phone to me. Satish answered the phone. I pretended that it was my mother on the line. I told Satish: “Mommy, I am now at the Holiday Inn but I will be home soon”. The reason I gave Satish's number is because I didn't want to talk to my mother. I wanted to get away from the Holiday Inn as soon as possible. The reason I wanted to leave is because I knew that the security guard didn't exist. We were never at the Holiday Inn. When I handed the phone back to the man, I saw the mother of the girl for the first time. She was in the back of the car. Then I asked the man since when was the girl missing. The man answered me since that afternoon. At one point Joran came and stood with us. Joran looked into the car and asked the man in the car whether the woman in the back was the mother. The man answered him, yes. Joran walked to the mother. Joran asked her if she was the mother. The mother kept looking seriously at Joran and said, yes. Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back. Then we walked to the lobby. Joran went and stood with his father. There were also a few men at the hotel who said they were from the FBI. There was also a woman who was looking for something in the papers from the hotel. I went and sat on one of the bar stools that were in the lobby. The whole process of looking and talking lasted to approximately 05.45 hours. Joran's father had then said that Joran needed to go to school, and that the family members should go to the police and file a missing persons report. Joran and me got back into the police car. Joran's father remained behind and spoke with the family members and the people who said they were from the FBI. I had seen from the window of the car that Joran's father greeted the people and then he walked to the police car. Then we drove off in the police car. That is the last time I saw the family members of the missing girl in person. The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house. One of the police officers in the car said that he knew Joran, he had been to Joran's house once, because someone had thrown a brick through his window.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran also said that he had to go to school later. His father also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door. When I stepped inside Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on. I had told him that the girl that we went out with, had gone missing. And that they are saying that we are the last people with whom the girl was last seen. Then I told him the story of the security guard. That story I hadn't told Satish on the phone. Satish asked me if we were in trouble and I said that I didn't think so because we weren't the ones who had been kissing her. After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

To your question as to what Joran was wearing that day from Monday to Tuesday when he went to the casino, I can say the following. He had on a light blue T-shirt and short trousers. I think the afore mentioned trousers were blue but I am not sure of that. He wore blue slippers.

To your question as how Joran addresses his father, I can say the following. Joran addresses his father with his name, he says Paul to him. His mother he does address with “Mama” or “mom”.

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.

To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.  I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following. Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

To your question as to what part Joran's father played in this case, I can say the following. From the story that we had told him, he believed us. To me and my parents he was always polite. When the case of the girl got more serious towards the end of the week, he had asked me whether or not my father had a lawyer. I said to him that he didn't. This was Thursday two weeks ago. He had asked me if I knew a good attorney. I told him that I did not have a lot of experience with attorneys. He said to me that we shouldn't worry about it and that he would find a lawyer for me and my brother. Joran's father told me that same afternoon that he had hired Antonio Carlo to represent Joran.

On Friday two weeks ago he arranged a lawyer for us. That same afternoon, approximately 16.30 hours, I had gone with my brother Satish to Joran's house. My mother had also come to Joran's house during her break from work. When my mother arrived, my mother and Joran's dad met for the first time and we went and sat down on the porch. My mother wanted to hear the story from Joran himself before she would believe our story. Joran then told the story about the Holiday Inn. Then Joran's father said to us that the situation could get better but also worse. Joran's father had asked my mother if we had an attorney. My mother said no, because we have never had any problems on Aruba. Joran's father said, wait I will find one for you and went in to get his hand-bag/briefcase. About a minute later he returned with his briefcase. He opened it and took out a piece of paper with several names on it.  Then Joran asked me if I wanted something to drink. I said yes. Joran and Satish got up and went and got something to drink. The father said to us that Oomen was a good lawyer and he picked up his mobile phone and called Oomen. Joran's father briefly spoke to Oomen and they had made an appointment for the next day, to be exact Saturday at 11.00 hours,. The father handed the phone to my mother and my mother had talked to Oomen.

To your question whether I returned to pick up Joran near the Marriot Hotel the night that I had dropped him off with the girl, I can say the following. No, I did not go to pick him up again. After I got home, I didn't go out anymore.

To your question whether I am sure that Joran and the girl walked off in the direction of the beach after I dropped them off, I can say the following.

Yes. Joran got out of the car first. The girl got out on the same side as Joran had gotten out. Hand in hand they walked into the direction of the beach..

To you question whether I can remember anything that Joran told me about everything that happend with the girl, I will say the following.

On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I asked Joran if he did anything to the girl. Joran told us that he did not do anything to the girl, the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and he had left her there. Freddie asked him why he had left his sport-shoes there. I do not know what Joran had said, but he came up with an excuse as to why he had and they he walked outside. Freddie then said to me in Papiamentu, "Eia hasi hopt coi pendew si di faga e mucha eynan" (loose translation by reporting officer. He has done a stupid thing leaving that girl alone on the beach). I answered Freddie that I told him the same thing. Every time we asked him about the shoes, he did not answer.

To you question as to whether I am sure that the story of the Holiday Inn was plan A and this statement is plan B, I can say the following.  No, no this is the truth. Plan B for me and my brother Satish was to tell the truth. It was no plan. It is just the truth.

To your question with what I clean the inside of my car, I can say the following. I just use a vacuum cleaner with the square accessory that has bristles on the end. The colour of the bristles is black. I also cleaned my car several times with another brush with black bristles. That was when the vacuum cleaner was broken. I also use a sort of "Armor All" to clean the car on the inside. It happened twice that someone spilled a drink in my car. Once it was a 'Cherry Coke" that spilled on the seat on the passenger side and where the hand break is. That happened when I was with my brother. The other time someone bumped into my car from the back while I was holding a "whisky Coke". It fell between my legs, on the seat on the passenger side and on the carpet on the floor at the passenger side.

To your question whether the girl threw up/vomited in my car, I can say the following. The girl did not throw up in my car.

To your question whether anyone has has ever thrown up in my car, I can say the following. Nobody has ever thrown up in my car.

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident with this car prior to it being sold to me.

To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE

After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.
 
 

@Lala'smom,

You do not have to apologize to me. It is not to be prooven by us that the Kalpoe's are innocent or guilty.
I think the story about Steven, done by Satish in one of his statements, combined with some other stories of the Kalpoe's, combined with the tape in the car, tell a lot.

I try to read the official statements and do not believe what "people suggest".
It's the statements, they can tell a lot. Not Shango and Simian. If they really cared, they would have gone to the police or told the truth on the Internet a long time ago. They did not.

I suspect Shango and Simian of being part of the smokescreens.

http://hollowaycase.com/

The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

Whether and how far the Deepak brothers are (with or without their knowlegde) involved, we do not know.

Joran told in the tape that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this and that they are very stupid. In the Jensen show Joran is suggesting Deepak did it.

I think Joran tells the truth in the part in the Joran tape, were he says the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this.
When I read the statements of the Kalpoe brothers, I think they speak the truth most of the time.
Joran ordered them to lie about the dropping at the Holiday Inn. Joran ordered them to tell he was doing this and that with the girl.

Joran did this with a reason.

I think that is one big fat lie that Joran is saying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with this.  Joran is trying to exonerate the Kalpoes for his own reasons.

Gerald Dompig said he thinks all three are guilty as hell and he was the chief of police.  They are all equally involved.  At the very least the Kalpoes are guilty of kidnapping.

Briany why do you think Deepak said we all did on the Skeeters tape regarding having sex with Natalee.  Or do you feel he didn't say that.

Is it Deepak on the Skeeters tape? Or is it someone sent by Simian?

The message of Steve that he told Deepak he seen them taking Natalee from the C&C and dropping her off at the Holiday Inn, seems to belong to the part of giving The Kalpoe's the feeling they were trapped into this. Mr. and Mrs. v.d.Sloot also told them they were into trouble. ::MonkeyConfused::

But: the message of Steve was not right because they did not drop Natalee of at the Holiday Inn. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Was Steve trying to manipulate the Kalpoe brothers by himself or was he sent by Shango?

If I can make a suggestion, think about it and read the statements in the Natalee Case. Skip the sources if they come from the book Joran v.d. Sloot.

It becomes a total different story.

But I can be wrong, of course, it just that I think, well......

Were and when did Domping tell this, does anybody has a link?

I do not have any intention of distancing the Kalpoes. But if they have nothing to do with this, they have nothing to do with this.
There are some people for who it is very important that the Kalpoe STAY suspected, probably with a very good reason.
Joran was telling the story there was blood in de car of the Kalpoe's.

It appeared not to be true.

This is weird:

Satish 11-06-2005



Besides Steve both parents of Joran were telling the Kalpoe's they were in trouble.

That's weird too. ::MonkeyConfused::

I will have to look for this link.  Dompig either said it on Rita Crosby or another show.

Hopefully Tamikosmom sees this and provides the link because she is a great resource for providing quotes and links.

It is Deepak on the Skeeters tape.  Are you trying to say it wasn't Deepak and Jaime Skeeters interviewed the wrong person.

@Karmaroundup,

Your tone is very agressive. I do not understand why. I find this suspicious.

I only mentioned that I was not sure if the Kalpoe brothers are not involved, I try to explane why and it upsets people.

Weird. :smt115

@Lala'smom,

You do not have to apologize to me. It is not to be prooven by us that the Kalpoe's are innocent or guilty.
I think the story about Steven, done by Satish in one of his statements, combined with some other stories of the Kalpoe's, combined with the tape in the car, tell a lot.

I try to read the official statements and do not believe what "people suggest".
It's the statements, they can tell a lot. Not Shango and Simian. If they really cared, they would have gone to the police or told the truth on the Internet a long time ago. They did not.

I suspect Shango and Simian of being part of the smokescreens.

http://hollowaycase.com/

The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

Whether and how far the Deepak brothers are (with or without their knowlegde) involved, we do not know.

Joran told in the tape that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this and that they are very stupid. In the Jensen show Joran is suggesting Deepak did it.

I think Joran tells the truth in the part in the Joran tape, were he says the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this.
When I read the statements of the Kalpoe brothers, I think they speak the truth most of the time.
Joran ordered them to lie about the dropping at the Holiday Inn. Joran ordered them to tell he was doing this and that with the girl.

Joran did this with a reason.

I do not try to say it is not Deepak. I do not know. I do not recognize him.
If you can give a direct link to the Skeeters tape so we can all see Deepak on the Skeeters tape.

Is that such a strange question? Someone gave a link but I only saw half a face. So if there is a proper version I missed, maybe someone knows exactly were we can find the tape so we can have a look.

Briany, I think you need to take into consideration that the investigation proved that the Kalpoes tampered with the clocks on their (Deepak's) computer. Whatever time is stamped on any of the records coming from that computer are suspect. Also, the Sloot computer is suspect. That computer was deliberately infected with a virus. Check the records - it's all there.

Also, I *believe* there was a phone call from Joran to Deepak or vice versa that was 8 minutes and Karin Jansen said that was the longest call those two ever had. Ever.

In the statement he tells exactly the same as Beth Holloway told.

He could not know Beth was going to tell the same story. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Briany, one more point. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT IS DEEPAK ON THE SKEETERS TAPE. There was a video that shows it's him. And he admits it's him. I don't see where that ? came from.

If you are going to take words(from what happened to Natalee on aruba)then also add:murder,kidnapping,coverup and injustice.
These statements above are made by deepak and satish right?Didn't deepak also say in a statement that the night after Natalee disappeared,joran called him on the phone and they met at the casino then went to joran's house?
Wasn't there also 2 guys who saw deepak's car at the van der sloots house BEFORE Beth arrived there that same night?
So was deepak with joran or not(the night after Natalee's disappearance)?

We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

At approximately 02:40, we arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. I had turned up the volume of the music in my car to loud. At some point the woman that lives next door to Joran came out and called Joran over to her. The neighbor told Joran to turn the volume of the music down, she had a baby in the house and the music was too loud. Joran came over to me and told me to turn the volume down. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes. After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

Briany, absolutely NO ONE disputes the Skeeter tape is that of Deepak. Not Deepak himself, nor his staunchest supporters. Deepak claims the tape is "altered" -- but he does admit he in deed gave the interview to Skeeters. No offense intended, but when did you start following this case? You don't seem to be aware of many things that are undisputed facts.

I agree Rob.

@Karmaroundup,

I thougt you asked this:




Kalpoe told this story long before Beth told this.
So that part looks to be true.

But listen, I am getting tired of this. I stop for a while. Just think about it. I dont want to argue about it.
I only try to say there is a change that the brothers are innocent, that's all.
You'll go on with your search, I'll read for a while.

@Karmaroundup,

I thougt you asked this:




Kalpoe told this story long before Beth told this.
So that part looks to be true.

But listen, I am getting tired of this. I stop for a while. Just think about it. I dont want to argue about it.
I only try to say there is a change that the brothers are innocent, that's all.
You'll go on with your search, I'll read for a while.

zip

I think you mean this statement. I gives a lot of answers on your questions.

Jaime Skeeters would not play a game and interview the wrong man.

If it was not Deepak he would be jumping for joy.  In fact if it were not Deepak he would hand deliver all the documents to Dr. Phil himself and then say thank you Dr. Phil you are going to make me a rich man.  But he has not done that yet and the reason being is because he is guilty.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MQ8Dcxdc97A&feature=related

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Deepak-1.jpg)

Briany,all we are doing is discussing the case but if you want to stop that's cool.I'm not used to anyone responding to me anyway :)
Thanks again for the statement above,that was only one statement by deepak.I can't find the one I was pertaining to(with deepak stating that joran called him and said the American's were at his home and could deepak pick him up)because I had problems with my old puter and can't get into my files saved on it.I may be remembering this statement all wrong too.
Have a good day.

DEEPAK AND SATISH'S INVOLVEMENT

I can only assume along with two Aruban attorneys ... there was a foundation that Karen Janssen derived from which warranted the rearrest of Deepak and Satish in August, 2005..

Janet

+++++++++++++


AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Helen Lejez
NANCE GRACE
August 26, 2005

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
On the Record w/ Greta
August 30, 2006

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
<snipped>

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

Let us not forget that it was Deepak who escorted a drugged Natalee out of the bar to he car. We can differ on opinion,but this is what Beth & Dave  believe also and it's backed up by 3 witnesses. He went back and grabbed her like a Hyena grabbing his tranquilized prey and the bartender witness saw it and did nothing.. Why would Deepak do that if this was all for Joran? Rest assured,he is equally as guilty as Joran in the premeditated events. Joran drugged her and Deepak snagged her after the bar cleared out and the rape drug took affect.

It makes me want to puke seeing the Dutch program and De Vries portraying Natalee as a drunk horny teen creating her own demise from being careless. Making out with Joran,saying Beth was hitlers sister,K2 were slaves..etc Its all 100% BS told only by the main suspects who have lied about everything but yet the Dutch TV portrays it as real,never once revealing there true motives as predators..It's not even close to what happened,she was drugged,abducted and kidnapped. I will bet it all. Not only did they use Joran's lies as facts but they even had a dark skin actor play him to protect him and tried to say Natalee drugged herself with cocaine ::MonkeyNoNo::

Your right. If you go for the truth, go for illusions like Shango and Simian and ignore the facts. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?  

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

You have to consider this is an old tape. Peter says there was a witness. Peter can make mistakes.

Your not able to solve things yourselves and blame people who are trying to find the truth.

The only thing you hope is that there is a big huge complot. Well it is a bit silly to think drugspeople are interested in the disappearance of one girl.

Goodbye, sort it out for yourselves. I don't come back.

I thougt Deepak was a Hindostan/Surinam skinny man. Why is his head half on the video?

You have to consider this is an old tape. Peter says there was a witness. Peter can make mistakes.

Your not able to solve things yourselves and blame people who are trying to find the truth.

The only thing you hope is that there is a big huge complot. Well it is a bit silly to think drugspeople are interested in the disappearance of one girl.

Goodbye, sort it out for yourselves. I don't come back.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Kalpoes/aruba_20deepak_smallr.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Kalpoes/sktape1.jpg) ::MonkeyConfused::

I am trying to tell you the facts as we know them Briany. I could care less who is involved,I just want justice and answer's. Not sure what you mean by drugspeople as I am talking about Joran and his pimp friends. They didn't call themselves pimps for nothing. Is that bad for Aruba's tourism if they told the truth what JK2 were really doing that night? Apparently it is and it's a shame that not even once publicly they can show who really is the victim and who is the predator and what there real motives were for that night. Instead it was a drunk,horny Natalee who caused her own demise from being stupid and careless :(

This is all a healthy debate with people that have read everything for 3 years now,I do not understand why you would leave now after a good debate and fact gathering. No one here is a conspiracy theorist with agenda's to blame the Kalpoes because they are creeps,the truth is the evidence points directly right at them. No one said either Kalpoe violently murdered Natalee,the evidence says they knew Natalee was drugged,they were involved in the abduction and they know a lot more including something bad happened. If they see the girl they will see the shit! If they find that girl Joran you will get 15 years and that scholarship of yours you can say goodbye.

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on... ::MonkeyCool::

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on... ::MonkeyCool::

Sending Prayers, and lighting candles for Klaas.....

Get Well Soon Sweetie...

Thank you *******.There it is in deepak's own words.I sure don't know what truths and facts Briany is looking for. ::MonkeyEek::

Spock, for all PRACTICAL purposes -- you may be right. But, for the LEGAL purposes -- the case is re-opened and Joran is an OFFICAL suspect. We go through this with you all the time. It gets tiresome.

*******

Could you please change the yellow highlight in my post to red and ... could you please add ... Lorenzo becomes a non-issue.

Thank you.

Janet

Excellent work Janet and I agree with you 1000% percent!

Let us not forget that it was Deepak who escorted a drugged Natalee out of the bar to he car. We can differ on opinion,but this is what Beth & Dave  believe also and it's backed up by 3 witnesses. He went back and grabbed her like a Hyena grabbing his tranquilized prey and the bartender witness saw it and did nothing.. Why would Deepak do that if this was all for Joran? Rest assured,he is equally as guilty as Joran in the premeditated events. Joran drugged her and Deepak snagged her after the bar cleared out and the rape drug took affect.

It makes me want to puke seeing the Dutch program and De Vries portraying Natalee as a drunk horny teen creating her own demise from being careless. Making out with Joran,saying Beth was hitlers sister,K2 were slaves..etc Its all 100% BS told only by the main suspects who have lied about everything,but yet the Dutch TV portrays it as real,never once revealing there true motives as predators..It's not even close to what happened,she was drugged,abducted and kidnapped. I will bet it all. Not only did they use Joran's lies as facts but they even had a dark skin actor play him to protect him and tried to say Natalee drugged herself with cocaine ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do not know either but ... I speculate that a hidden camera ... which captured the Kalpoes participation in the events that encompassed  the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would not suffice Briany.

I speculate that an Aruban agenda is being furthered.  That is what the Devries/vander Eem video recording was all about.

Think about it ... Joran implicated only himself in the Natalee Holloway case but ... not enough to be held legally responsible and ... he implicates Paulus in providing him with a cell phone in prison.

However ... he distanced the Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus as a participant in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  He distanced the "pimps" who could implicate Paulus.  He distanced those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach.  He distanced those within the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved or aware of the coverup and ... could implicate Paulus.

The gardener becomes a non-issue ... all the witness/suspect statements becomes non-issues ... all the suspicions which implied detainment becomes non-issues ... Mickey John's words to Greta becomes a non-issue ... the landfill witness becomes a non-issue ... the June 20, 2005 confession becomes an non-issue ...Lorenzo becomes a non issue.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING WAS ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE FOCUS ON JORAN ... KEEPING THE OUTCOME OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE SIMPLE ... APPEASING THE FAMILY AND ... CLOSING THE CASE.

Janet

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Joran persona non grata’
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata.  Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.

The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”

Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”

All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.

Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

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If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I do know that Hans Mos from the moment Peter R. de Vries has been showing him the tapes has been working incredibly hard to get the evidence on the table that Joran did not only dispose of a body (carries a maximum jail sentence of 6 months in Holland), but to find the evidence that Joran can be accused of “murder” or “manslaughter” because it became clear from huis confession that he never checked if Natalee was really dead.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

I don't get her at all..I have read her post's the last few months and I am totally confused :( She seems to think the Van Der Sloots and Rene'e Gielen are the only ones who can be guilty of anything. I enjoyed your post's Briany,but I am confused why you would leave after all your hard work of defending Natalee and trying to find the truth. We can differ on how big this cover up is,but rest assured you are giving Paulus and Anita way too much credit.

Actually, if you were to believe that the Kalpoes are innocent, why not stick around and defend them?  I have done that with other things when I was being brow beaten by the best of them before.  I was hoping we could tango a little in the other forum...seems Briany has some idea as to whom she thinks are Shango and Simian.  It would have been an interesting discussion for sure.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is not my problem, after all.

Briany ... I am sincere.

Do you have an emotional/ family connection to the Kalpoes?  Do you have a connection to the ALE/ ATA in any way?

This morning and the other day ... I worked very hard using the SM and my desktop search engine to retrieve credible backup to convince you that the Kalpoes had to have been involved in the events which encompassed the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Other Monkeys did likewise.

Your only response was to undermine or ... simply state that you did not believe quotes.  Briany ... that is not a dialogue.

I would love to know what your foundation is where you derive your belief in regards to the Kalpoe's innocence.

However ... the time I spent was not in vain.  I consider it a refresher course ... a reminder that justice for Natalee Holloway was never a consideration from the getgo ... a reminder that I cannot be detracted from that truth.

Janet 

OMG....Rob...how the hell are you???

I have never been on the Island. I have a good friend from Suriname and I knew a few years ago someone from Aruba. She told me a lot about the situations there. She married a Dutch man and we lost sight. That's all.

I can discuss in a resonable way with one person, but if everybody falls over me because I think different, it is tyring and not fair.

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And I would like to ask Patrick what the hell Mos is working so hard on, that it is all these months, years later that he can't charge Joran and the Kalpoes.  THE EVIDENCE is either in the police reports, and if it is not, then someone got rid of it.  That is the big problem, no one knows what happened to the evidence.  It WAS there, where is it now?  We were told we are not allowed to know the evidence.  We do know some of it, and it should be enough to solve this case.

san....sending you a hug and shoulder massage....BREATHE... ::MonkeyWink::

SPEAKING of BREATHING..... ANY WORD ON KLASS???

It also pity for the Dutch forum. Other people have to ask questions if they want to know things. Anyway I did in the first place my best to defend Natalee and her mother. I don't want to be attacked the way some people do here. For me its very tyring and the whole case is not my problem. I am a private person, have nothing to do with nobody wanted to make up my own opinion, tell you what i was thinking and ask question but the reactions in this forum are not good for my health.

It's also difficult to do it all in a different lanquage.

By the way: If seen the guy looks like Kalpoe.

If I ever post again, I will do it in Dutch in the Dutch treath but I think I beter find myself something else to concentrate on.

It is not my problem, after all.

Goodbye everybody.

I won't say a word.  It will only be between me and you.

What about the guests who were lurking?  Can they be trusted?

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

We might have to kill them.

******* ... I disagree.  Something was very wrong.

Briany was firm in her position regarding the innocence of the Kalpoes and the guilt of Joran ... firm in her position without providing any credible backup.  When the Devries/van der Sloot video recording is considered ... the video recording that implicates only Joran ... this is very suspicious.

******* ... please look back on this thread.  Monkeys afforded Briany the research which they had accumulated over a three year period in a sincere attempt to convince her that the Kalpoes should not be given a free pass.  This research was not appreciated ... it was underminded and disregarded.  Briany was not open to any backup to the contrary and ... she made that very clear.  It was as though she had an agenda to pursue and ... nothing that contradicted that agenda was a consideration.

I had a gut feeling that something was not right when ... the other day ... Briany referred to the corrupt investigation that has denied Natalee Holloway justice as a baby (little) coverup.

Janet

new column patrick van der eem:

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/paragnosten-welkom-bij-hans-mos/

about the earlier Telegraaf-article in which Hans Mos said the case attracts a lot of physics and a torrent of information is coming out since the broadcast.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3919996/_Paragnosten_op_zaak-Holloway__.html

and e-mail patrick received.


peter r. de vries had so far 3 new broadcasts out of 8.
none with updates about natalee yet.

******* ... I disagree.  Something was very wrong.

Briany was firm in her position regarding the innocence of the Kalpoes and the guilt of Joran ... firm in her position without providing any credible backup.  When the Devries/van der Sloot video recording is considered ... the video recording that implicates only Joran ... this is very suspicious.

******* ... please look back on this thread.  Monkeys afforded Briany the research which they had accumulated over a three year period in a sincere attempt to convince her that the Kalpoes should not be given a free pass.  This research was not appreciated ... it was underminded and disregarded.  Briany was not open to any backup to the contrary and ... she made that very clear.  It was as though she had an agenda to pursue and ... nothing that contradicted that agenda was a consideration.

I had a gut feeling that something was not right when ... the other day ... Briany referred to the corrupt investigation that has denied Natalee Holloway justice as a baby (little) coverup.

Janet

Well said Janet and Rob,I'm actually afraid to go back and read her posts again...lol! I know in my heart and I know from the facts that the De Vries/Patrick tapes were all what you say they are..It's just hard to believe something so sinister could be true and those that haven't followed everything for three years might not know any better. I ask them to look at the other ridiculous attempts like from the two psychics,rene'e and julia. This last attempt with Patrick was more of the same,just sneakier,not as obvious.  It was a lame attempt to free the guilty and end the case based on lies,Patrick is a true patriot for the Corrupt Aruban Govt. If you didn't know the case like we do you may not know any better and you would think this guy was a hero. A Hero for Aruba and the Perps maybe,but definetly not Natalee. He's a Mob Rat,A Snake and is now trying to prosper for his dirty deeds. He doesnt care about justice for Natalee..All he cares about is money and helping his country. I still haven't decided just how friendly him and Joran are,all I know is the video they made was all BS and planned.

I appreciate her opinions because she is Dutch,but she is badly misinformed and I don't hold it against her. I read enough of her posts in two languages to know she wants justice for Natalee. It looked to me like she was baiting us ,so she had a excuse to walk away.

KLAAS WILL BE PROUD OF US WE ONLY CHASED ONE POSTER AWAY WHILE SHE WAS GONE.    ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

KLAAS WILL BE PROUD OF US WE ONLY CHASED ONE POSTER AWAY WHILE SHE WAS GONE.    ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am just catching up.  Sorry, but several days ago I had this bad feeling this Brainy was a friend of the Kalpoes.  Too much put into defending them and trying to take any and all focus off of them.  Must have something to do with the lawsuit.  Putting out too much info on the statements.  Had a nice collection of statements from the Kalpoes only. (MO)

OMG!  Is her nickname Brainy?  I always called her Briany....no wonder she didn't like me too well. 

surely Brainey is still  with us

I wish her well.
I have not known her long enuf to  be irate or to disagree.
Anyway..this is an open forum.  please throw no bannanas!
Peace
FOM

Janet:

Something tells me Joran is waiting for a big payday and I hope it isn't Patricks book. Wouldn't that be something if the Main Perp prospers off a book that was supposed to be justice for the victim?  He may not have much leverage but he's gonna want to get payed for that acting job,taking all the heat and helping Aruba close the case so they can get back there precious toruism. It was the least he could do I suppose for the tiny country that he helped damage and part of the deal. They have made every attempt since the beginning to blame the victim,her family or anyone else but the guilty. No doubt that was a lame attempt to distance everyone involved but one and to try and trick Natalee's Family into having false closure so they would leave Aruba alone. They knew the shaking bit would make it more believable.MO

Paulus can only sit there and giggle while watching this all play out. He must have erupted in laughter when the dark skin actor played his son in the Dutch version of America's most wanted. Watching Natalee make googoo eyes at the dark skin joran and then acting premiscious while making out with him. Truth is he most likely played a major role in disposing of a deceased Natalee and damn well knows this girl was drugged,unconscious and preyed on. Paul could not have written that reenactment any better himself :( They even had the nerve to show Paul and Anita getting shit faced at a cocktail party the day Joran was supposed to be released from prison in the newspaper. Rubbing it in our faces ya think? Right now they are all untouchable and they know it. It's quite clear they won't allow America to dictate justice for a murdered American in Aruba and they have no intentions of anyone taking any blame,except a fictitious Daury that will never be found.

when you say Klassend came home, where was she....i knew she was ill

*******,
I respect your opinion in regards to Patrick, but I've not seen enough evidence yet to convince me that he and Joran planned the recordings together.  I don't agree with everything Patrick has said and done since the recordings were shown, but for the entire thing to have been a setup; it also involves Peter DeVries.  I don't believe Peter DeVries would have been involved in this, and also find it hard to believe that he could have been duped by Patrick.  Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion until I see evidence to convince me otherwise. 

Good Night Monkeys

A game of 500 rummy awaits.

Janet
8:20 PM

thank you for the welcome....Klassend you are in my prayers

Janet you hit the nail on the head and I agree with you.

Saying that Briany is here for a reason, proves to me (and to the Dutch people of course who have more brains than the average poster here) that your indeed are not the most intelligent person of the world.
On FOK and other fora it is said a lot of times: "The Scared Monkeys are stupid plotthinkers who can't think for themselves".  
There are some things wrong in the statemens and they can proof a few things. I tried to explane this, but I'am not going to argue if you can not read for yourself. It is not a riddle, it is there.
You refuse to read, instead you prefer to accuse everybody who's name you have heard and do not care who is blamed for what happened to Natalee, as long as you can be into plottinking. As long as Dr. Phil or other mediapeople says so, it is defenitely true.
Follow the leader, what they say is true. :2brickwall:

You did not even manage to solve one little thing in three years. In stead you start to solve riddles from all over the world, like

Brian(y), is it a he or a she? How silly people can get. I am of course neighter Brian or Briany. Clever he? :2waver:
Most of the posters here are grandmothers that have nothing else to do than parrot eachother or the media. :2rofl:

This a needed to say. I stay to post in the Dutch people. That were the more intelligent people post. If they want to discuss something, at least they give reasons why  I see it wrong instead of calling "but Dr. Phil says" or "but this and this person says".

As far as the "baby-coverup": I am not English and translated in directly from the way I speak, but you are too stupid to realise that. You are not even capable of speaking another language yourselve.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Have a lot of fun in the thearoom. :2waver:


Oh yes, something else very hilarious.

If Briany says: "I do not recognize Deepak", while he is not very proper on the video, the posters claim that Briany wants to deny it is Deepak  or Briany has "reasons", but if there are pictures or tapes from Joran, it is fake. 



Being critical is OK for the Scared Monkeys, as long as it is not about the American productions.

Saying that Briany is here for a reason, proves to me (and to the Dutch people of course who have more brains than the average poster here) that your indeed are not the most intelligent person of the world.
On FOK and other fora it is said a lot of times: "The Scared Monkeys are stupid plotthinkers who can't think for themselves".

There are some things wrong in the statemens and they can proof a few things. I tried to explane this, but I'am not going to argue if you can not read for yourself. It is not a riddle, it is there.
You refuse to read, instead you prefer to accuse everybody who's name you have heard and do not care who is blamed for what happened to Natalee, as long as you can be into plottinking. As long as Dr. Phil or other mediapeople says so, it is defenitely true.
 
Follow the leader, what they say is true. :2brickwall:

You did not even manage to solve one little thing in three years. In stead you start to solve riddles from all over the world, like

Brian(y), is it a he or a she? How silly people can get. I am of course neighter Brian or Briany. Clever he? :2waver:
Most of the posters here are grandmothers that have nothing else to do than parrot eachother or the media. :2rofl:

This a needed to say. I stay to post in the Dutch people. That were the more intelligent people post. If they want to discuss something, at least they give reasons why I see it wrong instead of calling "but Dr. Phil says" or "but this and this person says".

As far as the "baby-coverup": I am not English and translated in directly from the way I speak, but you are too stupid to realise that. You are not even capable of speaking another language yourselve. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Have a lot of fun in the thearoom. :2waver:

Go Mum!  ::MonkeyDance::

Go San!  ::MonkeyDance::

This uneducated poster has had to sit on paws so many times in past few days to refrain from posting any answer to our highly educated Briany.  Also suspected their name is or should be Kalpoe.

There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see.

Another proud Australian who values highly all the American friends I have made through these pages.

Go Mum!  ::MonkeyDance::

Go San!  ::MonkeyDance::

This uneducated poster has had to sit on paws so many times in past few days to refrain from posting any answer to our highly educated Briany.  Also suspected their name is or should be Kalpoe.

There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see.

Another proud Australian who values highly all the American friends I have made through these pages.

Good Evening Tib...Nice to see you...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

hehe ::MonkeyCool::

Saying that Briany is here for a reason, proves to me (and to the Dutch people of course who have more brains than the average poster here) that your indeed are not the most intelligent person of the world.
On FOK and other fora it is said a lot of times: "The Scared Monkeys are stupid plotthinkers who can't think for themselves".

There are some things wrong in the statemens and they can proof a few things. I tried to explane this, but I'am not going to argue if you can not read for yourself. It is not a riddle, it is there.
You refuse to read, instead you prefer to accuse everybody who's name you have heard and do not care who is blamed for what happened to Natalee, as long as you can be into plottinking. As long as Dr. Phil or other mediapeople says so, it is defenitely true.
 
Follow the leader, what they say is true. :2brickwall:

You did not even manage to solve one little thing in three years. In stead you start to solve riddles from all over the world, like

Brian(y), is it a he or a she? How silly people can get. I am of course neighter Brian or Briany. Clever he? :2waver:
Most of the posters here are grandmothers that have nothing else to do than parrot eachother or the media. :2rofl:

This a needed to say. I stay to post in the Dutch people. That were the more intelligent people post. If they want to discuss something, at least they give reasons why I see it wrong instead of calling "but Dr. Phil says" or "but this and this person says".

As far as the "baby-coverup": I am not English and translated in directly from the way I speak, but you are too stupid to realise that. You are not even capable of speaking another language yourselve. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Have a lot of fun in the thearoom. :2waver:

*This just in from Diario*

*Hi XXXXXXX;

Sorry that I have not answer your call. That's because that we are not working since April 29. We have had off days April 30, May 1, May 2, May 3 was Saturday, May 4 Sunday and we begin to work today.

How is everything. Here still nothing about the case. But I think we gone write something for the end of this month when it will be the date that Natalee has disapeared.

I let you know if we gone do something.*



I'll call today regarding the full page ad...we discussed a few days ago....I think we should try to coincide it with their article...double whammy  ::MonkeyDance::

I'll see if we can get them to *work* with us...for the most impact....put your thinking caps on Monkeys!  They will have photos...and we must have at least one photo of Natalee...and one of ...Beth...

I will have the info we need by this afternoon....Destiny...

Briany, absolutely NO ONE disputes the Skeeter tape is that of Deepak. Not Deepak himself, nor his staunchest supporters. Deepak claims the tape is "altered" -- but he does admit he in deed gave the interview to Skeeters. No offense intended, but when did you start following this case? You don't seem to be aware of many things that are undisputed facts.

Thanks Destiny...I love the photo of Natalee that was posted, I think by Blonde, at the end of the last thread!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/NatBest.jpg)

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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