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Hello Is anyone home

How can that Kawish put Natalee on his tickle site as a friend...what's up with that?

had friends over last night; she saw Dave's book on my coffee table; she asked if it was sad; I said, of course, but do you want to borrow it?  She said she thought, after what Dr Phil said, Nat may be alive.  I can't tell you what I said after that ...  

I told her I'm a scared monkey, not posting all the time, but I'm a scared monkey

to New York Grande :oops:

Howzit going monkeys?

Klaas, is the 6/30 Satish?

WTH?????????????

Have a good night all!

Robots, lol I will take your word regarding Chavez.

Florida email me if you get the opportunity.  I am interested in discussing the VIP Club front with you.  Anyone else interested feel free to email me.  

Thanks Klaas for your tireless efforts!

I would like to say something about the documents that I translate.

1.  I have never taken a class in Dutch so translating the documents is not an easy task.

2.  Because I've never taken a class in Dutch and I'm relying on 3 online translators some errors are to be expected.  I make every effort to NOT mistranslate any of the important parts.

3.  English is taught in the Netherlands, so translating these documents should be about 100% easier for a Dutch person than for me.

I'm doing the best I can to get these documents out there.  I did make one correction to the latest statement that Rammstein pointed out in reference to the cleaning of the Kalpoe car.

Forgot to mention that the VIP Club was up for sale over the summer.

Yes

gnight

sleep well  :D

no need to explain :wink:

whatca mean, Cuz??  sorry, I sort of write crytic sometimes

Why does that not surprise me  :wink:

it was?  did it sell??

You took the words right out of my mouth....thecuz!

Great work as usual, Klaas!!!!

You're the best Klaas and we appreciate all your hard work.


Klaas I will like two pancakes for breakfast tomorrow.

Is this the Lion's Den?

Klaas, I know you don't use the egg timer for translations...that's okay...gives San & I time to work on our resumes... :wink:

just trying to interpret cryptic?????

that's my guess

oh, I just mean that I'm more of a lurker, but I feel like a true Scared Monkey, and just felt like I wanted to pass the word along to her; and my cryptic part, is sometimes I write in thoughts, and it always doesn't come out right!! :oops:

Where you been Windsor? It's great to see folks here tonight who haven't been here for awhile!!

Cuz, I musta have missed you earlier...

ok windsor....your avatar is familiar...but the name does not jive.....i am so confused :cry:

Did someone mention Shango?

San - I have the absolute best electric pancake griddle, I just love it!  Unfortunately, by the time I get up tomorrow, you'll be ready for lunch!!  :lol:

Windsor used to be "GretaRocks".  But she decided to change her name..ha ha ha ha  :lol:

Mishy and Cuz -- I used to be GretaRocks (same avatar), but I became embarrassed because I feel like Greta somewhat turned

I'm always here lurking; I work from home and always read; I always tell everyone I can about scared monkeys, Natalee's cause, Aruba's corruption, etc; I put the labels on my mail; all those things

I'm always here, but don't always have much to say; I have my own theory/theories, I guess

no.....just checking in mishy....hi!!!!!!!!
windsor..... more information please :wink:

YIPPEEEE

Because Greta don't rock no mo?  8)  8)  8)

The Lions Den was mentioned...so, I guess Shango was in the air... :)

thanks for explaining windsor/greta.....i understand :shock:

I know Windsor...I had not forgotten!!!

I was in Pennsylvania today and was looking for Angie!!  wasn't too far from her ...  isn't that crazy??  haha

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Grande writes: "...This is the first concrete reference to a potential video or pictures I have seen. It also seems to provide some credibility to all the speculation regarding a potential video. We should review all past references knowing what we know now..."

"American Pie Theory" first posted here in September, 2005 -- about a year ago.

While "speculation re: video" is correct description, IMO the cognitive fingerprints were always there: in tickle, on zorpia, on bolt, on msn.  It was always there.  Their need to record deviance was always "the story".  It was there and evidenced on the Bailey and Alyse threads, and Bailey left her pix there for a reason.  It was there and evidenced on the "Julie thread" and "Loco Stefy (same episode as Bailey).  Brian Battjer recorded for all the homosexual abduction of his friend Scott on Ikeepadiary.com.  Geraldo told us all what the "story" was during his first interview the very first week.  Carrisquillo news report statement tells us in April, 2005 there was a videoed gang-rape of an underage girl.

They are serial rapists, it's just not described that way -- yet.
 
It was always about "the movie..."

So why do you think k2 felt compelled to return to Freddy his camera and make that part of the SUSPECT STATEMENT on 6/24/05?

Five days later, in the back of the polis car, k2 were saying that Freddy had to TELL THE TRUTH.

Why?  About what?

Guess you didn't find the smoke shop...she probably would have been thrilled.

you got it, girl!!  I really thought she was going to find something out about this case; then when I saw the Joran interview, I just couldn't believe it; I went into hiding!!! haha  how could she "be inclined to believe him?"  I just don't get it.  Shango said he can be something he is not ...  

right, LaLas??

Hi there!  Wanna dance?

Believe it or not I've never heard of an electric pancake griddle.  I heard of a waffle maker.

you wanna lead??

thecuz



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the big hammer wrote:
Freddy & "The Camera"

SK 6/24 statement: "...The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house..."

Hhhhmm.

I would suspect delivery to Freddy (who knows all stories) is to destroy the movie & would bet deepak kept an insurance copy.

This camera hand-off event would have happened 5/31 - 6/8. Why do k2 have Freddy's camera, and why is there a need to return it as part of "suspect statement"? There is a reason why k2 have Freddy's property.

If k2 left the scene on 5/30 at 2:00am, how do they have freddy's camera -- and freddy has not yet appeared on scene?




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hammer???????????

wow, I have to say I've never been out on my screened-in porch this late before, with no music, tv, etc.; it's just awesome hearing all the acorns drop; they're really dropping early; what does that mean?  it's so quiet right now, I love it

oh, and if I had found Angie, she would have thought I was a stalker!!  probably would have scared the you know what out of her!!

oh, I have one; great invention; just an electric griddle; awesome thing to have

EARLY FALL HERE TOO WINDSOR....ANGIE COME OUT COME OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE....LOL!!!!!!!!!

not much rain; early fall; not very pretty leaves for Fall; bummer

ok; LaLas -- you ready to Tango??

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….


Satish June 24:
The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy,

So if there really was a movie as we have heard and speculated about for over a year...where is it?  Did they borrow Freddy's camera that night with the intention of making a porn video in the car and "something bad happened"? Or is this more of their routine to always have the camera ready and then Deepak takes it back to the internet cafe and distributes the video on the internet to paying customers?  Just thinking here.

lala is ready to tango no matter what!!!!!

i hope the leaves colors will not be a disappointment...lack of rain....kind of early for falling leaves....but here we are

I always felt they had a place (was it the VDS's rental -- if there is such a thing -- close to the Racquet Club?) ready for filming; or was it the Mill ?? with Crazy Steph?  but I don't understand the second line about the tear and the new river will come forth.  At one time, I thought it was Shango's premonition that with all that Beth would go through, she would end up doing the high school/college circuit like she's doing, but that doesn't make sense.  Shango wasn't about premonitions.  He told it as he saw it.

No, I don't think they were going to make a porn video in the car.  I believe it was a planned situation.  They had done it "20 times before."

I think they always have a camera ready Lalas.  I also agree that Deepak is the one who distributes the video.  To whom?  Could it be to Freddy's brother Ernesto in Florida for his clients.

Why did Paulus make that trip to Florida?  To get help from someone or pay someone off.

yes, here we are a year and a half later; doesn't that ... what's worse than tick you off?  I just can't imagine; I have 2 kids; I just can't imagine the horror of not knowing

20 times before............sounds like an al quida (sp?) dream of virgins

and you are right windsor...........it is a horror show :cry:

[quote="SanWhy did Paulus make that trip to Florida?  To get help from someone or pay someone off.[/quote]

why did Paulu go to Florida?  does anyone have dates?  I never could quite get this into my brain.  Why would ALE allow this?  Did they track these guys?  

sorry; I know I messed up the quote; can't see the keys here in the dark!!

Satish June 24:
On Wednesday June 1, 2005 after I had driven round with the police force I called my brother Deepak and together we went to meet Joran at the Racquet club. In the evening hours at around 10:30, I went with my brother Deepak to Joran’s apartment. His father and mother were with him and we told them the invented tale of the Holiday Inn.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Only one piece is missing.

Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.


This is when they knew the HI story would not fly and they needed another one to cover their respective rears.  Staish admits that they are concocting another story without actually saying it here.  He is quick to point out that Paulus is always near when they meet with Joran.  The cover up is already well under way.

so, just thinking here ... what is the average resale in Aruba?  seems like so many houses an businesses are up for sale since Natalee disappeared - -  Gottenboes (is that correct?); Lion's Den; Lorenzo's mom's house; CyberZone ... what else?  so many of them flew away so quickly

good night, SAN

Nite San!

nite san!!!!!!!!!!!!

Night San, sweet dreams.

Does anyone know if Lorenzo's mother's home sold? Is that the same house as I call the BIG house?

Yes, but I think it's very important to see who has "translated" the statements.  I do understand that J2K may have been interrogated for many, many hours, and the interrogator/translator may have condensed it (just like Beth said), but it's so important to see if Jacobs translated it.  WTH was he doing in this case anyway?

I think Jacobs et all were just spanking their monkeys and eating frosted flakes  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'm getting ready for bed now...Hugs to all!!

and what Joran said Natalee wanted to see?  "Do you have a big house?"

Also, I honestly believe they all got together and melded (who plays Pinocle?) their stories together?  Like, Karen gave him a (you know what?); initially he said that Natalle gave him a you know what in the back seat of the car, when in reality, Karen gave him a you know what at the pier ...  I just think they took the 20 times before and included those events into Nat's story

nighty night

i think i will eat me a big bowl of frosted flakes in the morning mishy............lol....nite...love ya :lol:

oh, I'm up for pancakes on my griddle now  :lol:

those acorns are starting to sound like fireworks here; I can't believe it!

Windsor
I have never read suspect and witness statements with so many holes.  The ALE (Jacobs and co.) never ask any follow up questions.  They just leave it hanging there hoping no one will notice.  I could have solved this case with one hand tied behind my back and a box of pencils in the other one. I could make a list of questions a mile long with just the first 3 statements.   This is about the worst case of shoddy police work I have ever seen.

No one seems to care to ask any pertinent questions concerning the camera and Freddy.  We don't even know why the subject came up, if the ALE was asking why doesn't the statement mention it?  Why was Satish suspicious early on about Joran and his stories?  Why don't they ask Satish why he mentions Joran and his nervous avoidance of the beach story?  Why don't they ask...they did not intend to find the answers...but they also did not foresee Beth coming either.  Had it now been for the parents of a lovely young lady that was much loved, this entire thing would have been shoved under a rug and there would be some other unsuspecting girl out there in line to be their next victim.

those famous box of pencils......lala...i love ya........keep up the detecting!!!!!!! :wink:

yes, HURRICANE BETH, and I mean that in the upmost respect; I hope I could have the strength to do the same

they've done it 20 times before ...

Night Cuz...soooey pig!!

CUZ -- FOR YOU:

VIDEO & DVD & CD

Grande writes: "...This is the first concrete reference to a potential video or pictures I have seen. It also seems to provide some credibility to all the speculation regarding a potential video. We should review all past references knowing what we know now..."

"American Pie Theory" first posted here in September, 2005 -- about a year ago.

While "speculation re: video" is correct description, IMO the cognitive fingerprints were always there: in tickle, on zorpia, on bolt, on msn. It was always there. Their need to record deviance was always "the story". It was there and evidenced on the Bailey and Alyse threads, and Bailey left her pix there for a reason. It was there and evidenced on the "Julie thread" and "Loco Stefy (same episode as Bailey). Brian Battjer recorded for all the homosexual abduction of his friend Scott on Ikeepadiary.com. Geraldo told us all what the "story" was during his first interview the very first week. Carrisquillo news report statement tells us in April, 2005 there was a videoed gang-rape of an underage girl.

They are serial rapists, it's just not described that way -- yet.

It was always about "the movie..."

So why do you think k2 felt compelled to return to Freddy his camera and make that part of the SUSPECT STATEMENT on 6/24/05?

Five days later, in the back of the polis car, k2 were saying that Freddy had to TELL THE TRUTH.

Why? About what?

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So who was in car adajacent to k2 Honda?

so, Lala's -- what do you make of Shango or Simian saying that Joran bleated and ran and "the Hindus" didn't know what happened?  If we believe in Shango, then we must believe that they dropped Nat off with other people, like Anita said, "He left her with adults."  I somehow think that's the truth.  J2K knew they were in trouble when she didn't show up, and Beth, et al, flew down, but then, again, (I contradict myself), what's upwith J's tennis shoes?  I just don't get that ...

Yes, Shango does say that Joran left.  Left from where?  The lion's den? Lorenzo's house? A party? Joran's apartment?  Left her on the beach? With whom? Who took her?  Was there an exchange as a payoff?  It always seems to go back to that one fact...she was with Joran and then she was suddenly gone...poofed from the face of the earth.  A feat accomplished by a 17 year old sporter?  I think not.

but, again, what about his tennis shoes; what is that all about?  and if he left her, say, at Lorenzo's house, what's with the blood that ALE or FBI said they saw?  I just can't figure that part out

HAMMER - when I translated that statement and saw the reference to the camera, the first person I though of was you  :wink:

wow, I need sit out here more often with no noise; acorns, crickets and the train; totally awesome, but I'm getting sleepy

Windsor
I think the shoes or shoe is wherever Natalee is.  It contained evidence, blood or something, that would link him to a crime.  He didn't lose them on the beach.  He didn't have them because he got rid of them...he had to.  I think Paulus saw those shoes and knew they had to disappear right along with Natalee.  The K2's may be less involved, but there is 'something' that links them with Joran.  Maybe there was a photo or video of what happened to Natalee and those shoes with the evidence on them.  There is someone out there that knows and his name just might be Freddy.

PRINCE on Staturday Nite Live rerun. NOW

WOuld someone mind sharing their link to this chamber of commerce site where the business license info is.  I have a few things I want to check out.  Thanks!!

so, you're saying that J didn't just drop her and run; he participated in some way, got evidence on his shoes somehow, but left after that?

could he have, say, gone to a rental house near the Racquet Club or to Lorenzo's, and had the filming done, Nat didn't cooperate, J's shoes ended up with evidence, and then he "bleated"?  if so,. what a true coward; hmm, that is possible, considering what type of person I think J is;

but -- why did J text message Deepak "I'm hope"; I think that was total sarcasm, like "thanks a lot for leaving me; I'm home now"

did the K2s see what was going on and bolted?  Joran stayed a little too long and didn't have a ride home, like he thought he would?  if so, then the location could have been a rental unit near the Racquet Club.  Could this be where Joran was walking from the next night, according to his cell records?

and by the way, I don't think for a second that J walked home; Paulus was called at 4am to pick J up; J gets his way too much to walk home, plus I think ArubaGirl said it would somehow be noticed if Joran had walked home, would have been unusual

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Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.
So who heeded his call? Who switched places?


So why did Simian indicate there was someone else?  Had Simian's informants been privy to some of these statements and knew that the K2 left before it all went down?  Simian is asking questions like I do to try to get someone to come up with a plausable answer.  So who did head his call?  What does switched places mean?

According to several of the locals, the beach and vicinty has people around all the time...if he walked home someone would have seen him.  Which in turn would have been paid large sums of cash and made a perfect alibi for the sporter.

who heeded his call?  maybe it's just about getting a ride home; i.e., Paulus

I totally agree with that

Lala's, I can only keep my eyes open for a few more minutes, but this has been awesome

oh, wait a minute -- you're saying that Paulus may have paid off whoever may have seen J walk home?  hmm; I'd have to think about that

I think Joran is too soft to walk home in the middle of the night in bare feet or even with tennis shoes on

Well, I will say goodnight also.  It's been fun tangoing with you Windsor.  Night to all and hugs to Nemo.

Well they claim they drop Joran & Natalee at the beach at 1:50 AM, but don't get home until 2:40 - 2:50.  It takes 15 minutes to drive to their home from Joran's & 5 minute from the beach to Joran's.  Yjey are missing 20 minutes to 30 minutes out of their timeline.  Could they have bopped by the cafe to download the video onto the computer for later upload.

Reading Satish's latest published statement and the comments here, I'll reiterate part of my earlier theory.  The gardener did see J2K near the Racquet Club.  Natalee was still alive then, but they stopped the car because she was getting sick and Deepak wanted her out of the car.  Joran helped her out of the car; maybe this is where Deepak relieved himself.  That's why they switched seats.  Deepak and Satish want to go home, Satish has school the next day, so Joran calls Freddy or Paulus to come get them.  Deepak and Satish leave.  So now Natalee is with Joran and Freddy or Paulus ("Freddy has to tell the truth" and Paulus maybe going out to get Joran or money or both in the early hours).  Natalee's either very sick or unconscious.  Don't know how it goes down after that, but it explains two things:  1) Why 2K don't know what happened to Natalee and why they were seen cruising the area around the Racquet Club (according to TJ Ward witness).  They're trying to figure out what happened; like Satish saying that Deepak asked Freddy to ask Joran what really happened.  Satish and Deepak don't believe the beach story.  2) Joran's 3 different stories about who picked him up.  He's protecting that person by lying about it.  Probably Paulus.

I am saying that if someone saw him walking home...Paulus would have made him Joran's new best buddy.  :wink:

night, Lala's; I'm off in a few, too;  I'd love to tango again some time

Or been driving back from Lorenzo's place?

Hey gal.. I just saw this!  :)

ANG -- I was in Carlisle; pretty far from you, but Nat and the monkeys are always in the back of my mind, I guess!!

Thanks.  Gracias. Danke.

 Me too chicky!
Carlisle isnt very far at all.  You go to a car show?????
 Notorious for the car shows!!  :)

no, not a car show, although I hear Carlisle is famous for that; but for a bridal shower; a long day for a bridal shower, but worth it; a 10-hour day!!  my daughter checked out Dickinson College, and we got stuck in the traffic one time because of the car show

what the heck are you doing just getting on now?  it's late ..   I'm ready to drop off

 Aweeeeeeee.. Sounds like you had a great time!
I am up late cause I had a shitty day.. :(  I may fall asleep  lol

[quote="Angiex911dsptchr]-
 Aweeeeeeee.. Sounds like you had a great time!
I am up late cause I had a shitty day.. :(  I may fall asleep  lol[/quote]

shitty day, huh?  been to work, i see  (hehe)

I think it was Paulus who heeded the call; switching with 2K.  First we have Beth's statement that he said he picked up Joran at 4:00 a.m.  Now Satish tells us they don't buy the beach story.  Rumors that Paulus went to an ATM.  Satish tells us Paulus is always around when they discuss it.  Remember that Deepak at some point said "Don't f$#% with the b#$@%".  They wanted to go home.  The "confrontation" Simian mentions is why they were sitting on the side of the road when the gardener saw them.  Waiting for someone to come pick up Joran and Natalee.  I think Natalee was sick (as I said in my last post) and they all got out of the car; that's why Joran was in the driver's seat.  She could have been passed out in the back seat; if that's the case, maybe Joran was driving while 2K were taking turns -- that's too creepy and sick for me to contemplate, but it could have happened.   :cry:  :x

Supposition here :  What if the prty host didn't cotton to the Kalpoes being there and being involved. So he told them they must leave - poof, you are dismissed. Heated words may have been exchanged.

Who headed the call?  My best quess would be Freddy or Koen or Sander.  Or maybe even Quido.  They said Daddy knew who the players were, but intimated that he wasn't there himself.

shitty day, huh?  been to work, i see  (hehe)[/quote]

  Ummm  all I can at at this point is  F my job!  :)
Email me sometime!!  Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com

LilPuma -- quite post, and then I need to go to bed -

but I think the "confrontation" is when the 3 were in the police car; the dates match up; whatcha think??

well, this is my last post for tonight;

ANG - sure will!!  and I have to say I was thinking of you on 9/11; must have been the scariest thing to live through; glad the suckers are with their 72 virgins ...

GOOD NIGHT, everyone!!!

I just realized something.  If witnesses were intimidated into not giving statements against J2K, why haven't they come up with someone who can alibi them?  SC tried and got burned; another girl allegedly was asked to lie for Deepak and turned him in (to the FBI, no less, NOT ALE).  Did they think their computer records would do that?  Why wouldn't Dennis or Jan or Paulus pay someone or threaten someone to claim they saw Joran and Natalee on the beach, or saw Natalee alone on the beach?

Could be, but I thought it was a reference to the night Natalee disappeared.

 

 Night and TY!  keep in touch !

Angie - sorry you had a bad day.  Here's a group hug for you!!

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Nite Windsor!

 Aweeeeee  KLASS~!!  Thank you sweety!!
and hugs back at yah!  I am glad your teaching job is going well!!
And was happy to hear nobody threw spit ball at yah when you subbed!!!!!!!!  ha ha ha~!!!!!!!!

Yeah, the class got a kick out of my thanking them for not throwing any, LOLOL  :lol:

[quote="klaasend"
Yeah, the class got a kick out of my thanking them for not throwing any, LOLOL  :lol:[/quote]

  OMG~!!  LMAO! Would have loved to been a fly on the wall!!
YOU ROCK!  :)

Angie - what are your thoughts about Beth going to the Netherlands to do that show.  This Jensen guy can be pretty wild, but I've seen a couple of good interviews he's done as well.  Should be interresting, huh?

Night everyone!!

Nite Angie - I'm not far behind ya!

 I hope and pray all goes well for her!!   She needs answers Klass!
 All the family does.  Been tooooooooooo  dang long.  :(

 

  LOL~!   I be a night owl tonght.. dont happen often.. :)

Night~!!     Night Klass!! Hugs!

Hi, Ang...I just stopped back in, caught up....if you're still here, that is.

Hey 2N.. great to see you!  :)

 :wink:

  OMG~!!  LMAO! Would have loved to been a fly on the wall!!
YOU ROCK!  :)[/quote]

I've got a BNM engraved in my forehead.  Nite all.
May tomorrow be THE DAY!

I've got a BNM engraved in my forehead.  Nite all.
May tomorrow be THE DAY![/quote]

 AMEN  SUN!!!!!!!!! Hugs to you all ....I am gonna get to bed!
 Have a great night everyone!

O/T  I want to put some art in my living room.  How do I do it?  Can I mix things and make it work?

I love this print I got from a local artist.  (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/BlackBackedStilt.gif)

If I hurt your feelings, I’m sorry.  It wasn’t meant that way.  I’m just a little lost in my thoughts today and my mind seems to drift.

Forgive me.

Given the context, about Joran having said he walked home would be my guess.

Easy, nice print. You can mix things. That print has very clean lines and is simple in design. Almost looks Japanese influenced.
If you tie different prints together with the same kind of clean lines, that is good. And if one of the colors is repeated in another print. Also size and placement. Smaller prints along the side on your wall.

If mrs.red is around~ ya got email!

It does have an oriental flair, but it was done by a Mississippi artist, James McConnell Anderson, brother to Walter Anderson.  I like the hard lines and simplicity of his paintings.

Thanks, you have given me some ideas.  I’ve collected several prints from local artist that I would like to showcase in my living room.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/MyMorning.jpg)

The rain is incredible!  I was trying to show the down pour, but it didn’t work.

 :lol: Easy - I thought that was another print..ha ha

So it's raining really hard?  That's a picture out your window??

I thought perhaps I had started drinking way too early......

Yeah, that is out my window and the rain was really coming down.  It looked cool through the blinds, but the camera didn't capture the essence of the moment.  Just looks like my blinds and my neighbor's house. lol

Easy
Sometimes you do  the funniest things. It has been raining here as well.  I always get a little depressed when it rains...I am a sunshine person myself.

Hummm. Easy, open the blinds next time. The wet look is interesting.

Back to Topic - now we have a camera. I remember stupidly asking if a cell phone video would be long enough for a porn flick. ("I am pornographically challenged.")

Well, of course, anything would do - but it looks as though this crew didn't need to improvise.

I get a little depressed too, but the mellow feeling during a rain storm seems to make my mind travel.  Not that many yesterday's I was just a kid making my way to school.  Now, I am what I am and maybe I took a few wrong turns along the way.

I want you to travel back over to your e-mail and finish that story. :wink:

Good Morning Monkeys.  :D

So have I, Easy, so have I.

Google Earth might not be as impressive to others as it is to me, but I love it!

I have been looking at Aruba on Google Earth, and it gives me such a different perspective on the place. I am very directionally challenged normally, and looking at the island in 3-D makes such a difference in how I see things. (And it's a really ugly place!)

Yep, not my idea of a tropical paradise.  If I want to visit a desert I can get in my car and drive an hour or so inland.   :wink:

Here ya go:

http://earth.google.com/

It's free, and you can either get it alone or with a group of other software. I took the one alone because I didn't want all that other stuff.

They even let me put Google Earth on my computer at work, and they normally won't do that. Our computer guy says it's very safe.  :D

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Very wise, and much safer  :wink:

Be back in a bit, need to run to the store

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I tend to agree...I think they had it all set up to film somewhere indoors. I still think that this particular night it was to be at Joran's apartment.

I can't seem to get google earth to cooperate with my computer.  Would you look at Lorenzo's BIG house and tell me how close it is to the coastline. TIA.

8)  anyone else notice on other sites (hate nat/family sites) that they are scrambling for reality and real answers?? EHEHEHE.......heyhooooooooo.

They always were reality challenged. WHAT are the now saying NUT 4x3 ?

Meant Nut 4x4 .

That must be it...Joran wearing his shoes is in the incriminating video and Paulus knows this can be used against Joran.  For why else has there been this rediculous & redundant emphasis on Joran's shoes being missing ( as in pretending some stranger must have picked them up )...From almost the beginning, they have been stressing that those shoes mysteriously walked away all by themselves.  The shoes were in the film at some point in time?

ONO, are you the only one here this morning?  Hello to you.

In Satish's 6/25 stmt, I found this of extreme significance.  Hope others join and read back and comment later.  What do you think?

"On your question what would the father of Joran have meant with difficult, I can tell you what is possible it meant I took it that he meant, if a corpse is found evidence could be found on the corpse that could lead to our arrest."

What I take this to mean is this:

1.  There definitely is a corpse.
2.  "our arrest" means all 3 J2K, plus possibly Paulus himself.
3.  There was evidence on that body of criminal acts.

chopped liver here... :D   I totally agree.....isn't it amazing if we ask ourselves the same questions and we were not guilty of anything...our answers would be so different.....Mere

I think the hate nat/family sites are in the early stages of madness.

Have not seen them for some time....are they falling apart?

At some point in Deepak's statement, he says that they went to Joran's to look at some ' trip " pictures. There was a part in there that Deepak says they had no power in his house and that is why they went to Joran's.  
I would suggest that anyone who went over to Joran's after Monday night
and before they were arrested had something to do with this. Knew what happened. Helped with the stories and helped get rid of stuff.
I don't agree about the shoes being in a video. I think he lost one or two of his shoes near the site where Natalee was dumped.
Do you think with Satish and Deepak having the camera they were trying to live up to the PIMP aspiration ? In Freddy's eyes ? Who's the Alpha Pimp in their gang ?

Hi Appeals!  :D

I agree 100 per cent with Numbers 1,2, & 3.  I especially am thinking "our arrest" includes Paulus.  That was my first impression upon reading that. Interesting.

Good Morning KAT_Gram and MERE -- Didn't know you were here, you were not showing up on the logged in meter when I came aboard.

I agree appeals.  I always thought Paulus had a hand in Natalee's death.

Kat....I have often thought about how this group might have bonded....they did not all go to school together, or all play tennis, or all gamble, or all involved in water sports....most drank and spent time at C&C's ...is this the contact point....?

Are Joran and Freddie the alpha pimps?

I only have ventured to read infrequently at the "you know where" site when someone here mentions the lovely Ren Froe...but I have always had that impression. Never stay long as I feel the intense urge to sterilize my eyeballs after 2 or 3 minutes. :?  It's really disgusting.

I think they had the camera because Freddy just was not available to do filming.  I think I remember that Joran had called him first, before Deepak and he could not or would not go that night.

As to who the Alpha Pimp is, I am stil undecided.  Either Joran or Freddy?

I'm sure that all the pimps knew there was deep sheep to step in if they went near Joran's house right after Natalee disappeared, so I would be inclined to say anyone showing up there in the aftermath had something to do with something.

About the shoes, not decided yet and I've waffled through a lot of theories. :roll:

In that gang Freddy is the lead PIMP.  I also have my suspicions about Jaime.

Or was their life after school drinking, gambling, partying and checking out the hotels for groups of young women?  Are they following a plan that has been going on for a long time?  Are they the second generation?

That's because I had gone over to BFN to see if another Satish statement had been posted. I was without a computer for a week. Was I happy to get it back ! !  It also recognizes my camera now ! ! The digital phone guy gave me a new cable and upgrade some " speed  " to my modem.
Had three people in here yesterday making this all happen.
I came in here last week at least 25 times to sit down and find a recipie, read my emails, come on line and had no computer box.
How did I ever live before the computer revolution ?

C&C's makes the most sense.  Maybe some of them were connected through their parents being friends, or running in the same social circles?

Or through ex-girlfriends? :P since they seem to kind of hand them around.

San, I think Freddy also... he is older so he would have been going to the bars way before these guys.
None of them seem to think of girls as humans maybe just a way to make some cash..

Hey, SAN.  

Had kind of put Jaime out of my current consciousness, but yes, he could be the alpha type IMO.

If Joran is thought of as a leader in that gang it's because he is throwing his father's power around.  I believe there were other crimes that these guys committed and Paulus got them off.  I also believe there is a drug connection with Joran and he throws a lot of money around.

Early on, Paulus was described by some who knew him, IIRC, as a womanizer.  Don't remember any rumors about the other first generation men.

I agree.

Although I would rather sit here and converse with you'all, there are a couple of pressing things I've got to take care of.  Hope to BBL.

Everybody have a wonderful day.  Hope the weather is great where all of you are.  For the midwesterners, don't forget to duck!

Byeee

Lalas, I'm still directionally challenged and can't pinpoint Lorenzo's house. I'll bet someone else here could, though.  :wink:

I'm still basically confused but think many pieces of the puzzle slowly keep revealing themselves.  I remain thinking that Joran's apartment plays the main role in this.  I cannot shake that feeling.  Several of my legal-eagle friends have said from the beginning that Joran was the lure/scout, the Kalpoes the transportation/ and then adults are involved in the crime.  And then the disposal seems so professionally done...more adults. Then comes the deliberate coverup. More adults.  I believe that somehow though, Joran lost his famous temper and took it out on Natalee. Whatever it is, there is no getting away from the culpability of the Three Doritos as far as the charge of kidnapping. How this keeps twisting in the wind just floors me. Many more Americans are watching this case now than ever before. Aruba refuses to face facts.

Hi Klaas!

Thank you for what you do!  You should be commended!  And I apologize that up to now I have been misspelling your name!  I just noticed last week!

Keep doing what you do.  You're the best!

Missin Nat

PS  Hello Monkeys!

Sorry, I just needed to get that off my chest!  8)

East, I thought you were showing us another piece of art!  I hope you kept that photograph!  I like it better than the bird artwork, but that is just my taste. I'm a romantic, country Victorian type.

I found Astrids house the other night and what I think is Lorenzo's.  I'll  try to get a screen capture.

The sky has cracked wide open with a thunderous noise and water falls from the gray, black mixture moving about slowly upon the horizon.

In other words, it is raining cats and dogs here!!!!!

I second that motion
Mr. Easy


Ono says that pieces of the puzzle are slowly being revealed ...
Whatever these " boys " were up to , it was taken for granted that this was normal behaviour. Why ? No one in Aruba was seeing any red flags
before Natalee got there. If the police were aware of any of these crimes, they were silent. So was the ALE. these people live there and have private citizen lives. They go out to the clubs, their kids go out to the clubs. On a small island where everyone knows everyone or is at least aware of them.
Just like C & C's... they all knew the reputation .. why not clean it up?
All these ' systems" were in place and ran like a well oiled machine before Natalee set foot on the place.  
I never agreed withthe boycott, now I do. Some of that is because of Dave Holloway. If a man like that says something and believes in something, then I have to pay attention.

Which one?  I am an amateur photographer along with my many other personalities. lol

I kind of have a love affair with the town in which I live and the coastline from here westward.  I tend to buy artwork depicting the area and give no thought to color or placement.  Now, I want something on my walls and I am trying to decide how to do that.

It is a beauty of a day here... some snow flakes fell last week..
I am going to go out later and see the kiddos at the bowling alley and look for pictures to take on the walk home. Those wonderful pictures are there, we just have to see them. Fall colors. The water rushing down the river. The bullrushes.

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Easy... go to a gallery... look at how they have arranged /  framed /
grouped / placed diverse works.
Ask a nice lady for help.  Think about that one. Nice ladies work at
galleries. wink wink

I bought a magazine for my SIL as he has the best digital camera. It was a National Geographic special edition for digital cameras. This was recently. It has some great things in there. Things that I could do with my lowly type 2 - 300 dollar cameras, digital and the 35 M.
It's in the seeing, not the camera.. look at Ansel Adams, what he did.

Yep, not my idea of a tropical paradise.  If I want to visit a desert I can get in my car and drive an hour or so inland.   :wink:[/quote]

Aruba is pretty barren; doesn't look very pretty.  I'm thinking where I'd be if I drove an hour in any direction - West - cornfields, South - more cornfields I think, North - I'd be on somebody's dairy farm, East - Oops, I can't go east :::splash:::

Easy, it was coming down in buckets here last night too.  Always makes me want to curl up with a good movie or a good book.  Kind of a cocooning feeling.

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Kat, I think it goes back to Glenda's comment that they think American girls are easy.  So it's not the fault of their home boys.

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Easy, take a look at some of these... these were ordinary events of the day. Everyone saw these scenes, few took pictures.

They are, no doubt in so many minds.....we need to prove it to whoever is in charge and will listen to reality. It still blows my mind that everything in these statements didn't warrant more action. In the USA, I feel they would have...ACKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!

it isn't just confined to American girls... look at "Fishy" .. what a nik for a
girl. Joran had sex with grils, but gee, he couldn't remember their names or where they lived... sort of like rabbits..

This is so totally true.  Well, not the chopped liver part.   :wink:   While Joran is saying that Beth and Jug didn't behave like a normal family would, the truth is the Slooties didn't behave like a normal family would.  They were home discussing how to stay out of trouble instead of showing any concern for Natalee or her family.  No searching, lying, deciding to change the lies, warnings about cell phones and computers, looking for alibis, playing tennis, gambling.  Paulus' tongue should have fallen out when he said they cooperated and how anyone can believe Joran actually feels bad about leaving her on the beach, even if you believe he left her on the beach.  Which, of course, he didn't.  Now we know even the Kalpoes didn't believe that.

Carlos n Charlies 9/23/2006 - Nice to see Steve Croes and Jerry are still at it  :roll:

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That's kind of depressing!

Look at these water colors done by a local artist.  What do you think?  Could it be put behind a couch?


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Damn!  Those girls need better drugs!

I love Ansel Adams!  The stark reality of life seems to find its self in his pictures.  I would wallpaper my house with his work, but I need color.

Aren't they  ? I can only look at these or read John Steinbeck
so much. But, they do invoke the times and the struggle of the Great Depression, don't they?
Of course that picture could go good anywhere.
You are having a love affair with where you live ? You have a camera ?
I have some small pictures that I had " plaqued " ??. Costco here and certain photo stores here do it.
There is no frame and no glass. Big pictures ae expensive. 8 x 10 are very affordable.  
.
When we drive out to the country, I love fallin' down farm properties,
fields of sunflowers, a farmer on his John Deere getting the canola in.
Harvest moons. Lightening in a summer sky.
Translate the things and feelings  you love about where you are to photos.
.
This week, there are some old buildings downtown here on my walk around to where I live that are beautiful. The old gargoyles, the brass
pictographs. Now that my tech stuff is fixed, wow ! !
.
The building where I used to work had pictures taken of their gargoyles and columns and framed. We all asked, gee thoses are nice pictures, where did they get them ? We were directed to go outside and look up at the building. We never look at the things right in front of us.

These women are so stupid.  I wouldn't touch Steve with a ten foot pole.  He is one fugly person.

Who are those women?

Is that Medelyrelay on the right?

Who is the unconcious chik on the left?

Who is the dark-skinned beauty in the middle? (I want her phone number)

Easy,

If she can stand to be that close to Jerry - she won't be your type.  :lol:

Ok, I have been ot for quite a while. I saved it up, I guess.Going out.
Those C & C's pix, those girls. They are just having their pix taken with the local wildlife. Doesn't mean Jerry got a date. Unless the drugs are stronger than we suspect. LOL

I think she is pretty.  If she is with those a-holes I would worry.  My wanker might fall off!

... and cause a tusnami!

Ouch! I'm thinking that could hurt!  :shock:  :lol:

Good one! (http://the-jurybox.com/TJB/Smileys/default/hahaha.gif)

Hey sweetpea!  No one is here.  Even Klaasend is hiding!  So, we can rip the soil and tear up the grass!

Woo Hoo!!! (http://the-jurybox.com/TJB/Smileys/default/6.gif)
Party! Party!(http://the-jurybox.com/TJB/Smileys/default/tee.gif)

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lol  I think we were caught tearing up the grass...   :shock:

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Nonesuche - is that a turtle surfing?  :lol:

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Hey Klaas-

Love that peeky-boo emoticon  :lol:

yep, it a turtle surfing, it's what I feel like after trying to hose off the mildew on my house  :lol:

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it's ok BT, I needed a bath  :lol:  :lol:

The mildew is trying to hose off my house....   :cry:

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I can relate Easy  :wink:

My house doesn't get mildew, does it just "hose" off or do you have to scrub it??

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!  

Howdy Easy and BT.. anyone else here?
Steelers are loosing.  :(

Hi Angie,

Klaas and None are here. The 5 of us can have a party!!!!

Unfortunately in the humid south we do get mildew, the more foliage  you have close to your house, the more mildew. I don't dare us the pressure washer for it blows all the paint off the trim, so I buy a potion from Lowe's I spray on and brush around, then hose it down ........taking forever too, took two days just to get the back and one side done.

Hey Klaas and Sistah!!!  :)

My house gets mildew, and it's really easy to clean off.

I hire a man with a pressure washer and go shopping while he does it. :P

  Wooooo hooooooo~!! (http://bestsmileys.com/party/5.gif)

I also had a squirrel try to leap onto my extension pole from the porch roof, I nearly fainted and yelled "terry stop that" !!  :lol:  :lol:

 ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! (http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif)

Is that really medley relay on the right in that photo?  :shock:

I think San needs to send her personl emoticon to Steve Croes  :roll:

I'm having company for dinner in two hours, so I have to leave the party here and go get things ready. Wahhhhhhh!!!!!! :cry:

I like to scrub it.  I like to scrub it a LOT!  Even when I think it is clean I scrub it some more.  It almost shines!  

Now that I think about it...  I think will go scrub it...........

 and you didn't invite us?  :(  lol
Have a great time BT!

I think Easy needs a hootchie momma  :lol:

I have no idea why I quoted None on that last post.  :roll:
I guess it's a good thing I'm going now.(http://the-jurybox.com/TJB/Smileys/default/frantic.gif)

 your house or hose?  LOL
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Klaas-

Thank you for your hard work on that last statement, remarkable to hear about the camera and Freddy......how many hours and days did you work on that american pie theory with Hammer and others? And Aruba says we don't understand their system  :lol:

I also think hindsight is beneficial and it seems Deepak's interactions with some posters here was definitely during that period that theory was being developed? Wonder why he was watching?

Sigh..go figure  :wink:

FYI - So it appears that Roger may be re-opening Scrux. Also, he has come clean since being "outed" at Refugees.  He says his real name is Sam Redman and he is a writer of novels and songs.  

If you go to the main page of Scrux you will see it.  If you scroll down to the bottom you can click on a link and get in the forum for his explanation of how he might re-open to posting.

 :wink:

well I have to go put out the fertilizer on my grass before the rain hits now, I'm going to be one tired monkey by the time I get all this work done  :roll:

Take care all and have a great evening!

Got a link Klass? Anyone?

Thanks None - I have another ready for Red and/or Tom to post.  Just waiting on the ok from them to post in the forum.

BFN should be posting Satish's 6/13 statement today.  They were going to post it yesterday but I guess it wasn't quite finished yet.

 Night Sistah!  TTYL  hugs

Easy  :lol:  you remind me of Austin Powers today  :lol:

Klaas-

I don't think I'll be checking out Rogier........had a sufficiency long before now  :lol:  :lol:

Angie - I really don't want to post a link to that site here but if you try scrux dot com it would probably get you there, lol  :lol:

Interesting....  Just last night I was asked to write more and hold tight for the check.  Hmmmmm..............

 ROFL   TY Klaas~!!  ha ha ha haaaaaaa

GOOGLE EARTH SHOTS of LORENZO's and ASTRID's HOMES in SAVENETA

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Judging by the trees, the fence and the color roof and size, I have deduced that this is Astrid's house.  There was nothing else comparable in the area.

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Similarily, judging by the landscape, color of roofs, size, proximity to Astrid's, street addresses, and being in Saveneta, I have deduced that this is Lorenzo's house.

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Shows proximity of houses.

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I have a tattooed asshole cutting my yard!  I hope he doesn’t kill my ass!

Easy,
 Did you hire him to mow? Or is he just doin it on his own?????


SF  great job!!

Sunfreak - nice work on google earth!

 I tryed loading it before.. it didnt work for me?
(unless it was me?  lol)

I'll be back in a little while  :wink:

He knocked on the door!  No shirt, tatooes and an attitude.   I think my house looks sad.  No one knows I have money.

Hmmm...I wonder if switched places was in the car when Joran was driving?

LOL~! Least you dont have to cut it! Must be a dude looking for a few extra bucks Get his License plate number if hes there with a vehicle incase he does something he shouldn't.

Okay, I feel funky.

Hi  Angiex911dsptchr, Easywriter, Frijole, klaasend, Sam, snoopy and any other Monkeys I missed.

Sunfreak great job on those pics. I wish we could see a little more detail on LVRs and the houses arond his.

Easy, Is his asshole tattooed or just the rest of him?  If it is his asshole you are way to close. LOL I must tell you you really can't judge a book by its cover. Some of the nicest folks have tatoos and some folks who look like good wholesome folks are the axe murderers. But stick around anyway so we will know you are alive.

  Hi Sam Chicky!! :)  
Sunfreak did an awesome job! wish google earth worked for me!

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:)

Between the cheeks!  Looks like shit to me!

Hi Monkeys.  I'm waiting for the sun to go down a bit so I can go out back and plant flowers.  I bought salvia and marigolds to plant today.  None, I can't imagine mildew on a house's exterior!!  I've never seen that.  I'll bet your solution has some bleach in it.  That stuff kills the mildew in my shower stall corners.

 Howdy AZ!!
 I like marigolds.. used to have them around the house years ago.. now me just got weeds.. lol

 Is this dude nekky?  :shocked:

I just finished reading all of Satish's statement.  This is the most interesting statement so far.  I also tend to think it is the closest to the truth.  The camera comment is very revealing.  Why mention a camera out of the blue unless it is somehow connected to Natalee's disappearance?  I think the camera was delivered to Freddy so it would not be siezed in a search of the Kalpoe or VDS home.  I do believe Freddy is more involved than we previously knew.  Could Satish have taken Deepak, Joran and Natalee to meet another car with another driver?  Could Deepak and Joran have taken Natalee in a different car with other people to another place while Satish drove Deepak's car home?

Hi, Ang.  You'll need to pull those darn weeds or they spread like crazy.

Has there been any word on the Dutch investigators on Aruba?

 AZ.. could be possible! Not much would shcok me anymore.
I also agree with you about Satish statement. Very interesting indeed.

 Not that I have read anywhere.. I been waiting to hear what Larry Garrison had said on tv before about this deepthroat person too!

 :lol:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

We better watch out we will be in big trouble with Klaas when she comes back.

By the way all I really do know how to spell around. The old brain did just not punch all the right buttons or keys.

Did anyone notice I even said hello to myself? LOL When I copied and pasted who was here I did not notice my name on the list. Quite often I get ignored so maybe it is a good thing to say hi to myself.

AZ lady peroxide also kills mildew I believe.

We are all in suspended animation, waiting and waiting and waiting.  These Dutch investigators need a fire lit under them.  I'm not a patient person...grr...

I'm going to go plant my posies, so all of you keep the faith.  I'll be back.

The tattooed asshole did a great job!  WoW!

  SAM.. ROLF  I didnt notice your name on the list~!! ha ha ha!!

 Bye Bye AZ~!!

missnnat, I just went back and checked and see no one has answered you. Astrid is Lorenzos MOM.

I have been down in Northwestern Ky. for a few days for a cousins wedding. I did check the forum once while there. My next post I am going to try to tell you about another darn dream I had. Hate these nightmares.

  Easy thats wonderful! Maybe he just lost a job recently? Who knows? and out to make a few bucks? Maybe I need to do that.. mow grass then shovel snow here soon! lol

  :( Sam

Hope you had a good time at the wedding!

Thanks Sunfreak. You did a wonderful job!  I now see that Lorenzo isn't as close to the seashore as I had previously thought.

Ok here is the dream I had. Remember it is just a dream, all of it.

I was in an Aaol chatroom with some of the Monkeys who made the recent trip to Aruba. I was asking them some things about there trip. How there meeting each other was, some of the places they went to while there. Were they followed at all?

So while they were answering another one of the trip Monkeys came in the chat and said " Breaking news. AG just posted at refugees. She says there local radio station just said , "A body has been found in the Dunes. It is believed to be that of the missing girl, Natalee Holloway.No further information is available at this time. We will keep you updated if more Information becomes available."

I believe the general feeling of the group was one of relief that Nats family would be able to bring her home but also sadness that it had taken so long and that Nat was no longer alive.

Anyway after having this dream I checked int o SM just to see if it could possibly be true since the dream was so detailed.

I am going to paste this in the dream thread.

HUGS Sam.. and TY for sharing that. Hopefully SOON  Natalee is returned to her family.

The wedding was beautiful. Not as much as the one we went to in New York last month but beautiful none the less. Thank God it quit raining for awhile. Even though the wedding was inside. It was in a Catholic church . The reception was as well.

The reception was supposed to be outside at another family members home but got changed real quick when all the rain started. I mean it really rained and rained and rained and thundered and lightning. I think around 10 inches in a 20 hour period. It looks like it is going to effect alot more States before it quits.

He did good!  I might have a talk with his MIL.  She is kinda cute!

My front grass is cut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I worked a deal.  A one time price and then regular.  Sound good?

Well now I want to see a picture of your newly cut front yard!  :wink:

8)

Ok Easy now that we know you are ok I am going to sign off. Cute MIL huh. See I told you, You can't always judge a book by it cover. LOL

Good Day Monkeys... :)

Just peeking in...for a bit

There is a log out there!  My wood peckers need a new home.

Hey Y'all....

Was the grass so  high you clould not see the log  :shock:  or did the guy leave it for a yard ornament?

I think I will

Hi. Mrs...

Have ya gotten someone to take ya out to a movie yet :oops:  :lol:

Not yet.... :shock:   after seeing Spooky's review, it's ok... I will wait for the video..

:shock:

Hey I hope everyone tunes into Dana's show.... sounds very interesting... and it is on topic, IMO... because the Max Factor heir got away with what he did until the Dog went and got him....

Heyeveryone!!  So, Who's on Dana's show tonight?

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Sunday night 9/24/2006
Sunday September 24th. 9pm et

My guest will be Brook Hart lawyer for Duane Dog Chapman and his family. Brook and I will discuss the recent events that led to the arrest of

The Worlds Greatest Bounty Hunter.

Also Tonja Doe (Victim Of Andrew Luster) and her lawyer William Daniles discuss serial rapist Andrew Luster and how Dog Chapman's capture of Luster affected her life


http://bruinfan.sasktelwebsite.net/


Call in number before and after the interview is 306-842-7884
Toll free number 1-877-842-7884

Hey... the dog's atty...

Cool..thanks!!  ;)  How you doin', BTW?

It's the victim that I am really interested in hearing from....

did Andrew Luster use the date rape drug?



O/T to Third,
who sings the "budweiser song" ... the don't hold back back ground they always play for thier ads?  Is it the Black Eyed Peas?

I am good... and scratch my post... Klaasend as usual saving the day with more info! 8)

I'm not sure Scarlett.  It sounds like that dude from "Tribe Called Quest".  I'm forgetting his name now...

Lemme check...

Here's is what I found...

The song is called "Galvanize" by the Chemical Brothers...

And his name is Q-Tip...;)  That's the name of the rapper I forgot (who's on that track w/the Chemical Bros)...

Have edited timeline to include trio having told conflicting and changing stories about whether Natalee was asleep or awake at the lighthouse:

MONDAY MAY 30

Natalee falls asleep before they arrive at the lighthouse (S 6/22)

At the lighthouse, Deepak sees that Joran and Natalee are kissing, and gives Satish a look asking, what should I do. Satish tells him in Dutch he should keep driving.  Deepak sees two vehicles parked at the lighthouse, a green jeep and white car (D 6/9, D 6/11)

At the lighthouse, Satish sees that Natalee is lying asleep on Joran's lap.  Deepak asks if Natalee wants to see the lighthouse, Joran says he doesn't think so. Joran wakes up Natalee and askes her if she is staying at the HI.  She says yes, and Joran tells Deepak he should drive to the the HI to drop her off (S 6/11, 6/24).    

As they are leaving the lighthouse Joran says that Natalee has fallen asleep. Deepak asks how that is possible, and tells Joran to wake her up to ask her where she is staying, so he can take her back to her hotel.  1-2 minutes later Joran tells Deepak she is staying at the HI (D 6/9, 6/11)


MAY 31

7:20 pm: Satish is interviewed as a witness by Jacobs at Bubali station.  He describes the trip to the lighthouse, and the fictional HI dropoff with the security guard.  He says he saw Joran fingering Natalee in the car, altho he later says he only saw them kissing. He says he saw them kissing at the lighthouse, altho he later says Natalee was asleep there. Satish also seems to contradict Joran and Deepak on several points regarding the events at CnCs. He says that Joran danced with Natalee.  He says that he left Joran and Deepak and walked around inside CnCs.  And he implies that the four of them walked out of CnCs together. Jacobs asks Satish if Joran and Natalee had gotten out of the car and walked by the sea at the Fisherman's Huts, and he says no.


June 9: Joran is arrested and gives his first statement to polis as a suspect, in which he describes the trip to the lighthouse and fictional HI dropoff.  Joran says that they did not go to his home at all, because his father and brothers were home. He says that Natalee fell asleep in the car several times, twice on the way to the lighthouse, and that she was asleep when they arrived at the lighthouse.  He describes how after they passed the Marriott, Natalee woke up for a few minutes and they kissed while he fingered her.  Polis ask Joran if during his Bubali interview, he said that he walked in the sea with Natalee by the Fisherman's Huts, and Joran denies having said that, tho later he says it is possible that he did.

Thanks Third.... my spin class played the entire song the other day.. it's a long song but I really like it...

OK... going back on topic.. sorry...

so I see a lot of great discussion around the newest statement -  a camera??? Freddy?  Is it becoming clearer that we were on the right track a long time ago??

SHIZARU - Thanks for keeping up on that timeline - great work!

so I have a question here.... didn't joran tell the MB kids he was staying at the HI too?  so why did they have to ask her where she was staying... they already knew...

Hey Monkeys
Dana's show tonight can it be heard on regular radio also??
If so where??

I don't think so Sue, but maybe Klaasend can answer you better???

Dana is in Canada.  I think the only way we can here it is by listening through the internet.

Yes he was 19 and he was a tourist.

He needs to make it look like he didn't know where she was staying.  How will it look if he said I already knew where she was staying because I lied to her earlier that I was a 19 year old tourist.

Can you hear the next questions.

Why the need to lie.
Why say you're 19.
Why say you're staying at the same hotel.
Etc...

Target, target, target.

I just noticed the straight road to his mothers house.  

Doesn't Shango mention one straight road or path.

so maybe the "big" house was astrid's?

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry: I am on a borrowed computer, mine died and for some god awful reason I have NO sound.. :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Sue,
that's terrible

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  I know  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

you gotta find a better loaner with a sound card....

There is a little icon thingie that looks like a speaker. If u click the icon, it gives u the sound control.

It says there is No audio divice But it was my assistant managers SON's
computer it has Napster and all this music crap and burners music maker programs and sorts of stuff my it say it has no Audio Divice
I am confused

I am not much help, but go to My Computer and see what devices are there...

I am really not trying to be funny, but phone the kid who had the computer before u.
At one time, I thought my sound was gone. Someone who was about 8 told me what to do.

Yes kids these days are born with that knowledge.... Sue, Out of my league, maybe a more technical monkey can help you - and I think Kat is right, can you call him?

Thanks, Sam!  What is Astrid's last name?

Where are you all seeing the new statements?

Thank you!!!!

If you go to Front Page... and there is an important documents thread...

Hiya Monkeys

Missin....Her name is Astrid van Rijn Traskell  ( IIRC )

Hey Yapp...

Klaasend

Could you please have the translation from this section of Satish's statement checked someway.



Am I the only one that said what the HECK....  Freddy told Deepak and Joran ???

I had assumed it was a tranlation / language difference thingy  but then got to wondering if it was a slip.

How close  & in which which direction does Freddy live from Joran?

We are all looking for that little tiny thing that may be of help ...Sorry to bug ya on this...  Just Wondering

OldF

MIssinNat
Check  out http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

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This is how we live on the prairie
I am SOOOO excited about camera working.
this is a mural ... i wanted a kid to come by on a bicycle. ,but it didn't happen..

Kat_Gram that reminds me of being in Quebec & the paintings on the underpasses

What it could be is this:  "Freddy himself talked about both stories with my brother and Joran"

I have been to Quebec, but didn't see those. We have murals everywhere here. But a kid on a bicycle is what I wanted today. I am going to take this out soon as I am way ot, just thought it was cool.

Thanks
Thats what I was kinda Assuming... but then my mind went WHAT IF. ???

Live close to each other / best freinds etc.. etc...
 :?

Klaasend, could you tell me how to get rid of this / i deleted it from PBucket, but it is still here.

Kat get rid of what ???

i promise to be a good girl from now on and not blow up the margins...
 :oops:

I posted a pix of a mral, way way OT and it was 600 x 800 pixels. I then deleted it from Photobucket and the thing was still here .
I was baaaad but i promise to be goood.

Kat_Gram
Saw the pic... reminded me of others that I have seen to on some road systems (non here  :cry: )
Not sure how big a graphic can be ( in pixels) without blowing the margins here..?   You could have reduceded the size in photobucket instead of deleteing it...
Just a thought

Mrs. Red, Yappers, & Old Fart,

Thank you for the help!  Really appreciate it!

Missin

Next time, instead of deleting it from photobucket, go into to photobucket and EDIT the photo.  You can make it smaller there then when you refresh THIS page it will automatically resize to the size you have in photobucket  :wink:

 YEP~!  :)  Sorry.. my mom and dad stopped over..I almost fell over.. they never come here.. lol

Thanks, I was way ot and i should relly know better. in fact i do know better.
Ok, so why would Sam / Roger / ??? Andrew ??/  whatever open up scrux ?
if he is just interested in " evidence ' why did he have Medley on there all the time ? she's just a x........x x...........x  fill in ur own blanks.
Does he think that anyone who is just interested in facts, etc is going to go over there and discuss anything reasonable with that bunch ?

Well Monkey's

I think I'm gone for the night...

Just wanted to say this to SM  mananagement and all participants
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Keep the Faith and remember Natelee's Song (http://www.erickaharvey.com/)

SeeeYaaaaaaaaByeeeeeeee

Hi Angie!

Hope you had a nice visit!  Not going to stay long but wanted to say hello!

Missin

 Hey girl~!  Ut was a nice visit... and a surprise for sure...lol
Great to see you and other monkey peoples!

I've offered my services many times. He simply ignores it.  :?  :wink:

Ok Monkeys, I sure hope that we have some questions for Dana tonight... and No, I am not calling ... y'all got to hear me sound stupid last week... :?

  ROFL

That is good, Angie!  I'm glad you had a nice visit!  Wonders will never cease uh?

Great to see everyone too.

I hope we get some good news soon about Natalee!

I hope all the monkeys have a great week and some answers on the girl we miss the most!

Dana's shows are always right while I'm trying to cook dinner!  BLT's tonight so I'm running back between the bacon and my PC, lol  :lol:

I called.  That was me.   I do wish people would call in with questions or comments on his topics.  It would make it even more interesting.  It's not like the monkeys don't know how to talk on the phone and they express themselves quite well here.  So stop acting like you're all shy, ok?   :wink:

Shazam, Shizaru!  I don't know what's more tedious, translating Dutch to English, when you don't know Dutch, or pouring over all the statements to find all the discrepancies in them.  This monkey really appreciates that you're doing this!  

I do think they went to the lighthouse; don't know why Joran started denying it.  But it's clear that Natalee was not fully conscious while in the car with these guys and even if it was only from drinking, she wouldn't have suddenly woke up within the next hour or so and been perky enough to walk on the beach, talk for awhile, look at the stars, decide to stay there alone, blah blah blah.

Sorry for the down time. The server's power supply went bad on a Sunday Evening, Murphys Law, so the company was less than quick on getting it fixed.

But we are up now.

Tom

Pretty cool announcement, Klaas.  Will you be getting a promotion or a transfer to the media desk?  Will you get all uppity if you do?  Is Dana going to give away cars?

Thanks, Tom.......

:D  Scared Monkeys Radio Network?  :D  Good work!

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

Thanks Tom!!   :D

I was skeered. :lol:  :lol:

Good Morning Everybody!!   :D  :D

Good Morning Y'all....

I was sooooooooo bummed that we went down last night, I wanted to know what y'all thought about SM radio!!!  I am sooooo excited!!!

I'm just praying there is nothing about the ****ing lighthouse in either of the two upcoming Satish statements.  I'm still not done incorporating the rest of his 6/24 statement into the TL yet.

I think they went to both the lighthouse and the beach, but that 2K are probably lying about her condition when she got to the beach, by that time the full effects of the 151 shot had hit her, and rather than being "with it", she was at a minumum extremely intoxicated: Passing out, disoriented, couldn't walk without assistance.

Good morning.  

Missed being able to get in the Cage all weekend.  

Something about Fantasy Football.......... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.........

Good Morning Monkeys!!

Hi Peaches... I usually don't make it to the cage on the weekends... Housework usually takes precedence.(YUK)

Hi Peaches & Kimmy-

Well I was doing housework but outside  :lol: YUK too!

The Deepak statement is well worth the read, as is Roger's wannabe writer excerpt on his scrux website, seems he's "fascinated" with hookers and sluts - his words not mine?  :shock:

Shizaru-

What do you make of the reference to the camera in Deepak's statement?

At the risk of being OT, None, did he get to play ?   Sorry about that loss in overtime.  I saw the beginning and the tail end...before it went into overtime.  I was watching!  Well, in between running to Home Depot and trying to do stuff around the house.

Simultaneous with Oprah's launch in radio? GMTA !

Everyone have a great day, I have more work to do, never seems to end around here..... :lol:

oh no he didn't, I was glad too  :lol: he did play in the last game but this one was so close and that very talented kicker is getting slammed by many unfairly for missing a critical, and he's a freshman player like son. So we can wait to play  :?  :lol:

If you missed Dana's show last night, which was rather interesting discussing the Dog's situation and had one of  the victims of Andrew Luster ... go listen to the podcast.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/

Also his announcement ...

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Dana_Coming_Soon2.jpg)

Would someone please explain in detail how SM Radio will work?

I'm kind of old, and it takes a while for things to sink in sometimes.  :wink:

Thanks!

Monring Monkeys,
Listening to Dana's podcast now, and trying to digest sk's 6/24 statement.
The camera comment, j2k bring camera to freddy?!, is freaking me out. What other items w/ evidence did they disperse to other households also not seached.
Will also read Shiz's updated timeline.  And untagle my dog, now.....
OK, thank you SM, Klaas, Dana, Shiz and all Monkeys for this.

I'll see if I can follow along too.  I feel very confused.

I just want something to happen.

Looks like there is a corpse on the beach in Aruba, they are saying an illegal from Venezula.  Would be nice to get this translated:

In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Contrabando pa trece hende Aruba ta sigui for di Venezuela. Diasabra un biaha mas un victima a keda registra despues cu un boto procedente di Venezuela a baha un cantidad di persona ilegalmente na altura di Santana di Cacho unda nan a logra subi tera net patras di ex-Nanki Country Club.

E prome informenan a drenta cerca polis for di oranan trempan di mainta despues cu testigonan a mira con un auto a subi hende y baha na awa for di e lugar. Aki ta trata di mas of menos cinco ilegal cu a subi tera.

Segun esnan cu a notifica polis, lo ta trata di un Nissan Sentra cual te hasta number di auto a ser duna na polis. Polis no a topa cu e auto aki, pero a busca rond sin haya ningun otro ilegal riba tera.

Kustwacht tambe a saca nan boto unda nan no a topa cu ningun boto mas e momento ey. Mescos helicopter a lanta vuelo pa yuda cu e buskeda. Segun e dia a habri a drenta otro informacion di un curpa sin bida cu a pega na canto.
Aki ta trata di un di esnan cu a bula for di e boto y no a logra yega tera na bida pasobra el a hoga.

Ta trata di un hoben Jose Francisco Sanchez Sanchez naci na Peru dia 25 di September 1976, pues awe e lo a cumpli 30 aña. Polisnan a haya un saco cu algun documento cual nan por a saca afor e nomber di e victima aki.

Autoridadnan a logra haci e yamadanan necesario pa Peru unda e mama di e hoben aki a worde notifica di e perdida di sucedido cu nan yiu. E capitan a scapa di un castigo pisa den e caso aki pasobra awor e ley ta diferente.

Polis ta sigui cu e investigacion pa trata na haya esnan cu a subi tera pa haya sa tambe si kizas tin otronan cu no a logra yega tera despues di a bula for di e boto.

Caminda e persona a yega tera tabata dificil pa e auto di morto yega y pesey mes cu yudanza di un pickup 4x4 di un periodista, a logra trece e curpa mas cerca.

Na e famia hopi forza y paz na su restonan. CASO ANDANDO AINDA: Ainda tin hendenan sera y den nan un capitan cu e biaha aki no a scapa di e contrabando di hende.

Aki ta trata di e caso di e boto Mari Mar unda dos siman pasa diasabra el a keda deteni atrobe pa contrabando di hende y ta bira e prome sospechoso cu lo worde sentencia despues cu e ley nobo a ser introduci.

(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/noticiadidia/ilegalhoga.1.jpg)

..

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Good Morning Monkeys,

Yes, Klaas, and THERE IT IS!

I will NEVER become accustomed to the graphic photos in the news there!

Will confer with MsMarple on how best to post this one to the M&C just in case.  She is the document expert and will know what to do with it

Yes, a translation, just enough to know if crime involved would certainly help.  Of course, in Aruba it is never a crime even with hands nailed to a board, etc.

 :?

OMG - Another one!  In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

Caso tragico den lama na Boca Prins…..PASCUALITO GEERMAN DI SOMBRE A HOGA BUSCANDO CANGREU NA BARANCA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Piscamento entre amigonan a termina na momento cu un di nan a cay na awa buscando cangreu pa haas. E prome informacion cu a drenta tabata na 911 ora cu yamada a drenta di dos persona cu a cay na awa na Boca Prins.

Na yegada di bomberonan cu ekipo di rescate a resulta cu berdad dos hende tabata den awa, pero ya caba e momento ey nan a perde uno for di bista mientras cu otro a logra sali riba su mes.

Aki ta trata di Pascualito Geerman naci na Aruba di 45 aña biba na Sombre 2-A. Polisnan di San Nicolas, Search & Rescue, bomberonan, Helicopter, Kustwacht tabata envolvi den henter e rescate aki unda Aruba Ports tambe a haci cierto coordinacion cu esnan presente.

Esnan cu tabata presente a mira e curpa sin bida unda nan a purba drenta awa y aki tabata algun voluntario cu flepper y tambe esnan di Search & Recsue cu a trata na haya e curpa sin bida.

Despues di hopi intento finalmente e miembro Sr. Peterson di Search & Rescue a gara e victima na su flanel y asina bin cune tera. Esnan na tera a tira cabuya cu salba bida y asina den awa a tene esaki y cu ayudo di esnan na tera a ranca tur hende bin afor cune.

Recherche a cuminsa cu investigacion unda a mira tambe presencia di fiscal mayor Karen Jansen kende a duna orden pa tuma e curpa den beslag despues cu dokter a constata morto pa 11:55 a.m.

Funeraria Ad Patres a presenta na e lugar unda nan a hiba e curpa hospital pendiente investigacion. Famia tabata na e lugar y mescos cu e amigonan, nan a splica polis kico a pasa.

Den entrevista cu e hefe di bombero na warda Gerardo Infanzon el a splica DIARIO cu ta un lugar fastioso pa landa y den futuro esnan cu kier bay eynan lo ta bon pa nan tin vest bisti.

Mescos Salvador Franken hefe di Park Rangernan a splica tur caminda nan tin borchi poni pa hendenan no landa pasobra ta peligroso. Sinembargo hopi ta esnan local cu ta gusta pisca eybanda y un amigo a splica cu Pascualito Geerman no sa landa.

El grita ora cu el a cay na awa y ni maske nan a purba yega na dje, no a yega na tempo pa yude. Condolencia na famia, y DIARIO ta manda hopi forza pa nan, na e momentonan dificil aki.

(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/noticiadidia/hogabocaprins.1.jpg)

Klaas wrote:
Looks like there is a corpse on the beach in Aruba, they are saying an illegal from Venezula. Would be nice to get this translated:

In todays Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/




Yeah for the beachcomer club!!  more bones and stuff. What great family beaches:x

All I can get is that he is 30, and cars are involved... no help here?

Yet another body found...looks like it may have been natural causes and not an accident:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/

(http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/9/25/local/curpabidacasozeewijk.1.jpg)

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Na San Nicolas un caso tristo a keda registra pa autoridadnan.

Tabata Diasabra den oranan di mainta cu polis a ser manda den direccion di un cas na Zeewijk pa un persona cu a ser haya morto den un cas.

Na yegada di e patruya di polis nan a papia cu un conocir di e persona den e caso unda el a splica cu e tin mas cu un dia sin tende nada di e doño di e cas.

Ora cu el a bin pa busca su drechi el a bin nota cu e persona no ta duna señal di bida den e cas.

Mesora el a notifica polis unda a cuminsa cu un investigacion. Dokter a worde notifica di e caso aki y na yegada a constata morto.

Fiscal tambe tabata na e cas na Zeewijk pa asina hunto cu Recherché mira cu nan mesun wowo henter e situacion cu a presenta.

Finalmente tur cost a mustra cu e persona a fayece di un morto natural y ta trata di un persona cu ta sufri di curazon. Paz na su restonan, y condolencia na famia.

Anna, thanks to you and MS. Marple for all the work on that thread...

I just emailed my friend to see if she could give us a quick translation but she may not get back to me until much later... :?

Red,
Will you share with us more details about Scared Monkeys Radio?  I know nothing about radio, how it works, etc.  Are you considering combining with Dana and doing daily programming or something like that?

.

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Thank you, Mrs. Red.  They are dropping like flies. . . . . :shock:

I think Red is in the middle of doing a new front page post right now.  I'll make sure he goes into more detail when he's done on the fp.

Hi Klaasend!!

Hi Mrs. Red!  Hope your Monday goes well!

It started out ok... but now I am gettting slammed!!  I will pop back in if my friend gets back to me with a translation....

I wish I could explain about SM radio... but Dana, Red or Tom will have to do that....

I wonder how many natural causes deaths in Aruba were really murder?  When when dies of natural causes where I live they don't show pictures of the death in the news paper.

Maybe AHTA started a new tourism campaign this AM...photos of dead people is high on my list when picking a vacation spot.  :roll:  Showing the deceased in this manner is disgusting, imo

It's an interesting detail but I can't make much of it without more information.  There are plenty of reasons to borrow a camera, other than for use in a planned abduction for rape/porn purposes.  Since I am very confident that Joran and Natalee were left at the beach, if there were any photos or video of Natalee taken by the trio I think it would have been while in the car.

:shock: Anna - I agree - seeing those pictures are horrifying.

Off to read the new statements

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk.

Not only does Joran drive which we all knew he could he likes to drive drunk.

San, I went over that part several times.  I'm sure someone (Ramm at BFN) will word it better.  I'm not positive he was drunk but no matter how I worked it...that's how it came out for me.  According to Satish that is the only time Joran drove his mothers car.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.

Why do the Kalpoes keep saying you must ask Freddy.  They would know if Joran would drive his parents cars.

I'm more interrested as to why ALE was asking him about the Natural Bridge???  :shock:

And pretty well a complete stranger as Joran says he has only known the Kelpoes a couple of months--that's what I believe he told Greta who believed him.   :roll:

.

OK Klaas, I was just trying to point out the lies Joran told anyway.  He said on Greta he didn't drive and now we have proof he does and he did drive without a license.

Thanks for the translation Klaas I know it is time consuming.

I was just getting to that part Klaas.  This is the first time I've heard it mentioned.  Was it conveniently blow up to hide something.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

On your question if Joran told me he has sex with the missing American girl "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY", I can answer you the following:
Joran had told me at absolutely no moment that he had sex with the girl or got rough (savage?). I have also, at no moment, seen the pants (underwear) if the girl. I had only seen that Joran and Natalee were French kissing.

Sounds like he got violent.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names. I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

He is so FOS here.  He would at least know the name of the middle brother.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

On your question if we, Deepak, Joran and I in the mondi/nature (?) have driven round and with Joran, I answer you no. We will walk around each Sunday to the beach of the Holiday Inn Hotel but we never swim. Joran, Deepak and I can swim well.

So now we have confirmation that they all swim well.

Lighting

Satish, June 30: "...On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this: There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore..."

I suppose there are a number of ways whereby one could describe female undergarments in the detailed manner provided by goon.  

One of the prerequisites for doing so is covered by Satish: other clothing has to be removed and/or re-arranged.

The other of course is lighting, and in the moving vehicle, the interior cab light might provide enough lighting, or a door light, as well.

I think the flash elements on a digital video camera would work, too.

I find it odd that both Kalpoe's state they are thoroughly unaware of any type of sexual activity in car, yet Satish is clearly saying that goon used ambient light from car to see undergarments' color and design, and surmises (coorectly, imo) that Natalee's other clothing had to be removed/rearranged.  SO, where was Satish when jvds internalizes these undergarment observations -- he was there, in the car, after all.

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I'm confused, front page says:

If it was so dark in the car, it would have been too dark on the beach and Satish claims they did not go back to Joran’s house, then how could Joran Van der Sloot have described Natalee Holloway’s panties in such detail?

But then the statement says there was enough light in the car:
 
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this: There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

I have been prepared to always give a statement. We had lied in the interest of Joran and now I sit locked up. I have lied at the request of Joran and Deepak.

He has lied in the interest Joran but he lied at the request of Joran and Deepak. :roll:

Shizaru - I'm sure anything coming through as confusing in my translation will be corrected by Rammstein.  It does sound to me though that Satish was admitting that normally the car would be too dark.  As Hammer says though the interior of the car light could be turned on or even opening the door would profide light.  The flash of a camera would provide light.

The panties - are, or at least were, in someone's possession after all was said and done. That's how Joran knows what they looked like. May have been overlooked while other items were being disappeared.

(Have we ever had confirmation that the description matched with something Beth would recognize as belonging to Natalee?)

More Murder - Last year's count, as we have it, was at least 7 counting Natalee. So far 2006 has 4, so I guess they're trying to catch up ...

Thanks for the Sharp Eyes out there; let's hope we can get translations.

Once we get them posted on the M&C thread, I'll give Klaas some edits in an email to incorporate the additions into the Summary. (Thanks in advance, Klaas!  :? )

(I DO think it would better to try to maintain just once Summary right now. Anna & I have letters out all over the place about this.)

Has it not been established that the panties in question are navy blue?  
Does it not require a tremendous amount of light to tell navy blue from black especially at night or is it just me that has this trouble?

 :?

SATISH'S JUNE 24TH STATEMENT:

On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
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So he can see that they were French Kissing and he is not sure if Joran took her clothing off but he says he must have.  

Where are the sexual assualt charges.

I HATE THESE PEOPLE SO MUCH THAT I HOPE SOMEONE BLOWS THEIR BRAINS OUT.  I AM SO PISSED AFTER READING THESE STATEMENTS.

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If they still had on all their clothing, maybe Joran removed the panties, examined them via the overhead light in Deepak's car and put them back on Natalee.  That would fit with Satish's claims.  No way to tell navy blue from black at night in the back seat of a car, ambient lighting or not.


ALE:  (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/10.gif)

Klaas, if you are here, have you seen the photo entitled "Having fun in Venezuela" that seems to be a recent Joran photo with two girls, it is at

(http://lrg.zorpia.com/0/1045/6689350.8bd14c.jpg)

Can you post it here if it is of interest?  What the heck is Joran doing in VENEZUELA recently?

Pardon my manners, hello to all you wonderful Monkeys this morning.  Some interesting and exciting things going on, new statement of Satish, SM radio, bodies popping up around the Fubaruba, wow.

It Makes My Blood Boil ..................

WTF With All These Incriminating Statements ..........

These F**kers Should Still Be In Jail .............

I Hope The Brains Blown Out Part Is Televised ...............

 :lol:

I would pay to watch it.

Given the question Satish was responding to, his statement "there was enough light in the car" would seem to mean there was enough light to see the panties.  But then he says Joran must have taken off her clothing... was he trying to say that Joran could have taken off her clothing in the car without him noticing?  That would be an unlikely claim.  Maybe "taken off" could have also been translated as "lifted" or moved"?

What Did It Cost Paulus For Satish To Lie In Jorans Interest.............

These Statements Just Prove ...........

COVER-UP ................

 :roll:

I think Joran took off her clothing at the beach, either before or after she was dead, and then took it someplace else to dispose of it... that's when he got a good look at the panties.    

Yes, Beth or Jug confirmed that in a Nancy Grace interview

 8)  How seriously neat !

Too Many Lies Confuse The Details

San Great Catch:

SATISH'S JUNE 24TH STATEMENT: On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following: Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT: There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.

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The need to concoct numerous lies filling out the unrehearsed details required, in this case, cannot be recast to fit the logical chronology.

How can a completely dressed Natalee emerge from car, after having clothes off/rearranged by jvds in car for panty viewing?  She was, by their own admission, in part asleep/unconscious...

Satish also continually cites earlier jvds pickup times at sloot residence prior to heading to C&C's -- this the third corroboration of same.

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 :shock: I can't believe these disrespectful & graphic photos either! It's almost like a threat or something?  :shock:

O/T  BULLETIN----It's A Girl!----------

They have finally been able to determine the sex of the baby Panda at the Atlanta Zoo and examine her for the first time.

http://tinyurl.com/o8uyo

Sorry, just couldn't let this go by!   :wink: Am a big Panda fan.   :D


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SM/FM Music From The 60's & 70's

 :lol:

Shizaru - Thanks.

After everything we've learned over the last months about that dung pile, probably nine out of ten. They're just disgusting. I cannot believe these pictures. :shock:

Do you think any scholarships were coming Satish’s way?  According to the records Satish would have turned 20 on July 30th.  Do these people tend to repeat grades in Aruba?

Paulus probably said to Satish name the college of your choice and it's a done deal.  Of course that's if they ever let him off that POS island.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/Hearings/6689364.jpg)

"The Whole Gang in VENEZUELA"

That's on Page Two wherein he says Joran was alone while driving but...On Page Four Satish states that he saw Joran driving Satish's mother's car that time in March..Okay...If Joran was alone while driving, how does Satish know Joran drove well ??  :roll:

ANOTHER PHOTO FOR MY DART BOARD .....................

 8)

Appeals I'm not sure but I think this might be an older picture.  The middle brother looks older now.

THE ONLY WAY TO FIND THE TRUTH IS WITH A ................

BALLS CRUSHING VICE GRIP ..................

NEXT ................

 :roll:

Hi Monkeys, Anna, Appeals, Kimmy53, msmarple, Ono, Red,  San, sharon, Shizaru, the big hammer, WidgetTheMidget and anyone else I missed.

I just read Satish's newest statement. Thanks so much Klaas for transcribing it. For some reason I find myself believing Satish. I really want to read Freddies statement?, statements? now.

So we know Satish also said Joran was drunk when he drove Satishs' mothers car.

So am I !!! I have always wondered about that ~ That collapse of that ancient artifact was just a little too convenient for me....Is she, or is evidence underneath ????? Something is up with that. When were those graves broken into ?

Yes This photo Is Old ...........

 8)

He didn't hit a girl/choller with the car as Satish did?   :?  I guess arriving in one piece would be considered well by some.

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The photo was uploaded Nov '05. My point is, what were they all doing in Venezuela at this time in the case?  And no, I am not trying to take this off topic.  Am following the discussion about Satish's most recently posted statement, et al...really.

Yep, no doubt...He got violent and they all saw the underwear.

I Agree & Stated That The Day It Happened ..........

But The Problem Is No One Cares In Aruba About Solving This Case..

 :roll:

LOL! It's sounding like a good idea ! They all lie like rugs.

That bridge collapse has always been of interest to me too.  I can't imagine anyone destroying a natural tourist draw in their own interest.  So selfish, so uncaring.

Appeals - that is an old photo of Joran on his Venezula trip.  Not a new pic.  I believe the Venezuela trip was in early 2005 prior to May.

Aruban morticians must be millionaires by now. :roll:

Klaas, please remove or at least ignore my previous message about picture.  

Also, thank you so much for your hard work translating the statements.  Any news about forthcoming statements from Freddy or Jaime?

I have to agree...so many statements, so many lies and so much cover-up. WHY we ask.....one American girl.......so many island predators. Makes me sick. I have been ill throughout this investigation or lack there of and I am still sick to my tummy  :cry:

It also sounds as if he's disgusted that his agreement ( prior preparation to lie & what to say? ) to lie did not free him. He's getting bent out of shape that Paulus isn't making things smoother for him ?

Here I go again...but I think they all saw everything going on under bright lights during an amateur porno photography session in Joran's apartment..clothes removal and everything.

It sounds right down Paulus' alley to me. Remember he himself told Dave that he would do anything to protect Joran.  I take him at his word.

I captured this before it had time to disappear.  I hope copying this from BFN is okay with Klaas, Red, Tom.  If not, humbly I ask Klaas to delete or edit as appropriate.


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Woman Who Dreams said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the VanderSloot property! This part you may wish not to post because if they catch wind of this, she will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her, but Woman Who Dreams can't see who it is.
 

WHOLE STORY
Please do not use my name if you intend to post this! Also please delete my e-mail address, otherwise I feel my life and those of another, will be in danger. I am associated with a person called 'Woman Who Dreams". I cannot tell you her actual name but she is a very well proved Psychic Medium! No one knows of her, as we do this sort of thing for free and do not seek publicity, ever!  The Woman Who Dreams has been having the full dream of what happened to Natalee Holloway that fateful night, since Natalee was found Missing. The Woman Who Dream will not be alive much longer as she has just had a series of strokes. I will tell you what she has told me; Remembering that she has seen the scene with Natalee, as if she were watching a movie, many times, over and over again. It is her wish that she get Natalee's body back home, soon. I hope this is done before Woman Who Dream Dies.
 
Dream Vision from Woman Who Dreams-
 
Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran VanderSloot fellow. The two brothers one called Satish,Vandersloot, and She thinks a guy named Steve, whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drink to go, and Joron was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with VanderSloot, she was drugged! Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House. Natalee was not sure about going, but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car. It was just her and Joran Vandersloot, not the rest of the guys, as has been reported. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl. She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.
 
The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. The Woman Who Dreams couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.
 
Brian, many of the things you said make sense but you just do not know it yet. The first gardener that worked for the VanderSloot family was said to have been deported. This is not true! He was taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk in case he saw something that night, as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was deported. The first gardener was from a tribe, and came to Aruba to work for the VanderSloots, in order to earn money for the tribe. Woman who Dreams said this is what it looked like to her, as some of the jungle tribe wore shirts, she thought from missionaries, or something. Anyway, the gardener quickly escaped into the jungle back to his tribe and the people at the drug compound, didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire tribe, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, never said what he really saw that night, and never spoke about what actually happened. Woman Who Dreams, said that she thinks at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's. The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the VanderSloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know someone with some sort of clout on that Island helped those guys hide the body.
 
The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. The VanderSloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it! Those three got away with 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joron is back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. Woman Who Dreams said that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, or so Woman Who Dreams said. She said there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom. One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior VanderSloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.
 
This Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. They cannot kill the entire VanderSloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes. This is a real 'Stranger Than Life" story.
 
Woman Who Dreams also told me that the VanderSloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.
 

 
Woman Who Dreams said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the VanderSloot property! This part you may wish not to post because if they catch wind of this, she will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her, but Woman Who Dreams can't see who it is.
 

Through a web site, someone gave this information to Natalee Holloway's father, I think, but they are now trying to speak to the Dutch authorities, and this is very dangerous! I am afraid for them. Also, the Holloway's do not seem to believe in Psychic help, so this information I think, has been ignored. I have even tried to tell the FBI some of this and they nearly laughed me off the phone. I guess you can't blame them. I am only repeating what Woman Who Dreams has told me. She is a very good, and honest person. She is 70 years old, and has been plagued nearly every night with these dreams! I don't think she can take much more of this. The dreams however, are becoming fewer and farther between, as she says, she feels that Natalee has somehow given her all this information, as if she could see it through Natalee's eyes.
 
All I can say is, Woman Who Dreams seems so sure of everything she has seen, over and over again! Every detail she can see, of what happened that night, or so she feels! One other time Woman Who Dreams had dreams of a boy who had drowned and where he was. He was exactly where she said he was and she knew exactly what had happened! This is a fact!
 
Our identities must be protected in case this is all true. Woman Who Dreams says it is wet in the ground under the garden shed. This is why some other psychics have seen her in water. Also this may be why people are seeing frogs.
 
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who believes in Dreams, aside from us.

  Remember every one these are third world minds and attitudes that many of the islanders have here and the others although educated  aint ALL that bright especially when it comes to most things that do NOT directaly affect their own wealth or status .
   Basicaly I believe that approx 90% of them are scum !

From Satish 6/24 statement:

On Wednesday June 1, 2005 after I had driven round with the police force I called my brother Deepak and together we went to meet Joran at the Racquet club  You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”

The witness interviews were on Tuesday.  What is Satish doing driving around with the police on Wednesday?  A re-enactment maybe? And this would be the third day in a row that Joran was at the Raquet Club.

We will walk around each Sunday to the beach of the Holiday Inn Hotel but we never swim. (from S's just posted stmt)

So what is this, a scouting expedition for the next one to go missing?

My guess is that they walk on the beach from one hotel to another checking out the girls.  Not sure it that's scouting or just normal checking out.

Just thinking here ~

The gardener witness said he could identify those in the car, meaning there had to be enough light inside the car.

Satish is saying there was light to identify panties.

The pimps have described hanging just outside the car waiting for another pimp to have his way with a girl.

Maybe there was camera lighting going on in backseat?

Yep, lots of activity at the Racquet Club post-disappearance.

In the 6/30 statement, where Satish is talking about Joran driving his mothers car...the Dutch posters at RU are saying it does not say drunk.  I have added a "note" in the forum thread to that affect.  Not sure what it does say and I went over that particular sentance many times.

"Trolling"

Just wanted to add this.  Even if the statement doesn't say it we know by all the photos we've seen of Joran at the bars and by his own admission he did quite a bit of drinking.  I would think it a rarity if his blood alcohol level was not over the limit for driving at any given time. :wink:

Specifically which Dutch sentence is it that is being questioned?  TIA

The Refugees are saying this part.  FYI, we will have Rammstein at BFN take a look at this part as well:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/Helene_10/Picture1.jpg)

Seven days a week, 24 hours a day ~  :wink:

I agree.

Also to add - I did not make up the word drunk to add to that statement.  It translated that way and if wrong I don't know why.

Whether Joran is drunk or not isn't as important to me as it has been verified by Satish that he indeed does drive without a license.

In my opinion Joran probably has been driving since he was 15 years old.  For some reason they keep focusing on him driving.  I believe it was brought up in the Chris Coumo interview that he needed someone to pick him up and also Greta's interview.  Why?  Is it because the gardner saw him behind the wheel of Deepak's car or did someone see him driving that night.

Fading into the distance ~~ BBL maybe

O/T - msmarple asked if I'd post this for her  :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/babypanda.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/lyfyh

Off topic - From today’s Atlanta Journal Constitution web site:

Nineteen days after Zoo Atlanta’s panda Lun Lun gave birth to a new cub, staffers removed the tiny bear from its birthing den Monday for the first time and determined its sex during a 10-minute medical checkup.

With Lun Lun in an adjacent den, zoo veterinarian Maria Crane gently lifted the baby and began examining the cub shortly after 10 a.m. Because it is so small and Lun Lun often held it close to her body, zoo officials have not known until now whether the newborn cub was male or female.

During the checkup, Crane also weighed the cub, listened to its heart and checked its pulse.


P.S.  pink IS the normal color of the fuzz-like fur at this age

Bye Appeals - see you later!

Because the word drunk fits just like the word murderer does.

I will believe it is the word drunk.

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Klaas,
You do a terrific job translating these statements.  We will just have a standing request for any corrections by Ramm or the Dutch posters at BFN to whom Dutch is their first language.

I know you do far more than just run it through Bablefish as RU has contended for that usually makes it less readable than before, lol.

But I need it from Ramm or even Edward at BFN before I will believe it as I do not trust any of the Dutch at RU on anything based on past experience.  And despite a typical lack of tact on the part of the Dutch at BFN, I do believe their translations and will await final word from there and NOT from RU.  Thanks for keeping us posted on any possible changes but please don't let that site offend you and your efforts.  Dutch is not the easiest of languages to deal with in the first place and you have done an exceptional and remarkably good job.

We do all appreciate it very much.   :D

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Klaas,
I don't see the word gedronken, but maybe that lagnguage has thousands of words for drunk.

I bet you'd be lucky to find .001% blood in the alcohol coursing thru that POS' (thanks San) veins.

I'd like to know why was jurin driving from Marriott to k2's and how did he get the keys.  Did nadira work at mariott

Who knows.  Maybe Satish drove it to the Marriott and Joran drove it back.

and sk walked back from martiott to home barefoot :lol:

Hi Klaas! and thank you so much for these translations.

Klaas, that is b/c you are using an updated translator that knows jurin!
dutch to English:jurin=drunk
English to dutch:drunk=jurin

FROM SATISH'S JUNE 30TH STATEMENT:

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind. [/list]
Why does Satish want to mention what color cars the VDS' have?  Why would he even say ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents?  Why wouldn't he just say you would have to ask the parents.

Didn't they say there was a white car following them that night?  Was Freddy driving one of the Van der Sloots cars?

Like I always say reverse what they say and you will get the right answer.  The car that was following them that night was a dark color.  JMO.

Klaas, that is b/c you are using an updated translator that knows jurin!
dutch to English:jurin=drunk
English to dutch:drunk=jurin

 :lol:  :lol:

Hey San! good catch. Or even sk could have said why not ask jurin? (that POS is as truthful as any of the other POS') (love that abreviation!)

wondering if pvds was in the following dark color vehicle?

Hey NM,

That thought crossed my mind.

Guess what?  The school just called and asked if I'd SUB for yet another class on October 9th!!!  Yippee!!  This class is a basic computer and microsoft office program class.  A piece of cake!  

(http://bestsmileys.com/happy/7.gif)

Well that's fun.

I can see it now in your future.  The great Klaasend would you like a full time job teaching. :lol:

Hi Klaas...glad that you are getting to do this..... :D

Klaas, there are 2 places where sk mentions jurin and sk's mother's car.
page2, which you posted a few pages back, but also top of pg4

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Satish 6/30: I think that girl has drowned. Joran had told Deepak and I that he had left the girl behind on the beach and that they were (1) meter away from the water lying on the sand.

Scenario: Joran and Nat get out at beach, 2K drive off.  Nat is extremely intoxicated, getting out of the car she stumbles and falls.  Joran takes Nat by the arm and leads her to the beach.  Joran takes off his shoes and goes into the water with Nat.  When they come out Nat passes out.  Joran succumbs to temptation and has sex with her, then for some reason vacates the scene in a hurry without his shoes, maybe to avoid being there when she wakes up.  It was low tide from 12:00-3:00 that morning, so if she is still passed out between 3:00-6:00 when tide starts coming back in, she drowns.  After logging off at 4:30, Joran somehow goes back out to the beach, by himself using parents' vehicle, or with Paulus, or maybe with Freddy if he is staying at Joran's apt that night. Arriving at beach, Joran finds Nat dead.  At a minimum he's afraid of manslaughter charges for leaving her passed out at the water's edge, knowing that forensics will find his DNA inside her makes him worried about rape charges too. So he decides he has to disappear the body, and he has about an hour to do so before sunrise.    

One problem with this scenario tho: Alcoholic stupor doesn't usually occur until BAC of around .30.  Single 151 shot will raise BAC of 110 lb female by .08-.10. and doesn't seem likely that Natalee's BAC was as high as .20 prior to drinking the shot, as she did not seem extremely intoxicated to witnesses that saw her in and walking out of the bar.  Also, about an hour passed between when Natalee had her last drink and when they arrived at the beach, seems like if she were going to completely pass out into a stupor, it would have happened before then, and if so why would Joran carry her all the way from the car to the water's edge.

And of course this also depends on it being possible for the water to have risen at least 3 feet between 2:00 am and sunrise at 6:00 am.

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So in the July 3rd statement we find out that for sure the Fishermen didn't see any of them near the Marriott that night.

Could they have been at Arashi beach, where Deepak took a leak.  Nearer to the Lighthouse and the rock area??

Klaas make sure your class doesn't do this :lol:

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  Good for you Klass !!!!   and they are the Lucky ones to have you as a
teacher  (((((((((((((Klass)))))))))))))
      Jerry  :D

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Short but very informative statement.  It sounds from Satish's description- "Deepak’s car was parked at the north side of the Marriott hotel"- that in fact the trio do agree that the Marriott hotel was the dropoff point.  And the fishermen were on the beach itself, somewhere north of the Marriott, not out on the water.  Which is strange, ususally they do their fsihing from boats.  Is there a pier or something between the Marriott and FH area that fishermen could fish off of?  

The exact lcoation is important, the fishermen could have been hundreds of yards away from the Marriott.  Or if they were right by the Narriott, they wouldn't have had any particlar reason to remember a single couple walking north past them, might not have even noticed them.   Could also be that if Joran and Natalee got out a ways short of the end of the road leading to the beach, after 2K left they could have changed direction and gone north into the construction area.

I don't think Joran and Natalee would have been left at Arashi, that doesn't make much sense as a scenario either for a planned rape or an encounter that Joran anticipated would be consensual: Why Arashi beach and not a beach near her hotel where she can walk back afterwords and he only has to walk 2 miles home instead of 4 miles.

Well, the pond is across the street from the FH.

Shizaru - for some reason I remember someone in Aruba explaining that the Fishermen would sleep at the huts then leave early for fishing.

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Thanks Jerry - they are all adult students which is I'm sure easier than kids.  I do make it a point to tell them a joke or 2. lol  :lol:

Klaas - Thank you for posting the photo of the panda cub.

I knew you would be that school's new best friend for subbing ...

KLAAS, congratulations on your new assignment!

Also, found the following regarding Dutch words for "drunk" or "loaded":


Nederlands (Dutch)
geladen, beladen, rijk, dronken, niet zuiver (dobbelsteen etc.)

Don't know if that helps, but at least I tried  :)

Klaas:  Your substitute teaching reminds me of a sub my youngest son has from time to time.  He describes her as wearing leopard skin capri pants, high heels and some kind of tight shirt, glasses on the pearl strings, and boufant hair!! :shock:   Sounds sorta like Peg Bundy :lol:  :lol:

YOU don't wear the leopard skin pants do you?? :shock:  :shock:   :lol:  :lol: