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Title: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on January 17, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org
they have a radio show on tonight:
KFNX 1100 - News -Talk Radio on Saturday 1/17/2009 at 11:30 PST
for all you night owls.
This site says Ossama bin Laden is dead and tells where he is buried. Also connects the Bhutto assassination to the Mumbai attack in the publications area.




Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on January 17, 2009, 07:30:31 PM
www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org
they have a radio show on tonight:
KFNX 1100 - News -Talk Radio on Saturday 1/17/2009 at 11:30 PST
for all you night owls.
This site says Ossama bin Laden is dead and tells where he is buried. Also connects the Bhutto assassination to the Mumbai attack in the publications area.

Quote
UN expresses relief over unilateral ceasefire by Israel

Published: January 18,2009

United Nations, Jan 18 Expressing relief over Tel Aviv&aposs decision to end military action in Gaza, United Nations Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon today called upon Hamas to stop firing of rockets into southern Israel.

http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/480746/International/2/20/2 (http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/480746/International/2/20/2)


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on January 18, 2009, 09:24:19 AM
From this photo it looks like smallpox and not a dime bomb injury:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/tungsten-bombs-leave-israels-victims-with-mystery-wounds-1418910.html

Dime bombs are designed to blow up below the genitals, thus minimizing injury while disabling the enemy. If Hamas has a biological stash that was released then there is proof that Islam possesses biologicals. Now it's only suspected they possess chemical and nuclear.

Stay tuned.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on January 18, 2009, 09:25:34 AM
Quote
UN expresses relief over unilateral ceasefire by Israel

Published: January 18,2009

United Nations, Jan 18 Expressing relief over Tel Aviv&aposs decision to end military action in Gaza, United Nations Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon today called upon Hamas to stop firing of rockets into southern Israel.

http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/480746/International/2/20/2 (http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/480746/International/2/20/2)
Unfortunately it won't last.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on January 18, 2009, 10:18:11 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLI52680720090118?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Rockets fired from Gaza... already.




Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on January 18, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
Oh, this is not good....
"The killer bug, also known as the plague, swept through insurgents training at a forest camp in Algeria, North Africa. It came to light when security forces found a body by a roadside.
The victim was a terrorist in AQLIM (al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb), the largest and most powerful al-Qaeda group outside the Middle East."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2146286.ece


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 10, 2009, 09:11:10 AM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 01:33:36 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 10, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
Quote
AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 10, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
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AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 11, 2009, 09:21:26 AM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
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AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.
Do you think the Sept 08 Islamic jihadist just went away and got jobs at McDonalds instead?


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 11, 2009, 12:04:53 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
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AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.
Do you think the Sept 08 Islamic jihadist just went away and got jobs at McDonalds instead?

there is no evidence they have started the fires.
and usually terrorists are very quick to claim responsibility for something they have done.

but feel free to make up your own alternative reality.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 11, 2009, 08:07:45 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
Quote
AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.
Do you think the Sept 08 Islamic jihadist just went away and got jobs at McDonalds instead?

there is no evidence they have started the fires.
and usually terrorists are very quick to claim responsibility for something they have done.

but feel free to make up your own alternative reality.
Wrong. AQ does not claim responsibility sometimes for years later.
Do some more research before you post something you don't know about.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 11, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
Quote
AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.
Do you think the Sept 08 Islamic jihadist just went away and got jobs at McDonalds instead?

there is no evidence they have started the fires.
and usually terrorists are very quick to claim responsibility for something they have done.

but feel free to make up your own alternative reality.
Wrong. AQ does not claim responsibility sometimes for years later.
Do some more research before you post something you don't know about.

not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on February 12, 2009, 12:24:30 AM
Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.

where did you get that information?

some other crazy religious preacher claims it is a punishment by god for abortions.  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2009/02/10/media-release-abortion-laws-to-blame-for-bush-fires/
No need to be rude.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/islam-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad-20080906-4b53.html?page=-1
Quote
AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

that was posted on some Jihad website in september 2008.

i thought you were saying the current ongoing bushfires in Victoria which caused nearly 200 deaths are started by Islamic terrorists.
Do you think the Sept 08 Islamic jihadist just went away and got jobs at McDonalds instead?

there is no evidence they have started the fires.
and usually terrorists are very quick to claim responsibility for something they have done.

but feel free to make up your own alternative reality.
Wrong. AQ does not claim responsibility sometimes for years later.
Do some more research before you post something you don't know about.

not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.

In my simple mind, 'usually' and 'sometimes' are not the same, an apples and oranges choice of wording.  'usually' I would link to 'almost always', 'customarily', 'ordinarily', or 'habit'. 

'sometimes' in my simple mind is associated with the 'exception', not the 'rule' or 'custom'.

From reading tonight, I think many are linking the fire to arsonists, and considering the arsonists 'terrorists'.  No identification yet.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 12, 2009, 02:11:55 PM
not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.
Instead of arguing with me why aren't you condemning threats like those?


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 12, 2009, 02:13:50 PM


From reading tonight, I think many are linking the fire to arsonists, and considering the arsonists 'terrorists'.  No identification yet.
Muslims are also suing, threatening and bringing charges against the governments for suggesting "Islam" and "Muslims" so the MSM is very hesitant to mention any accusations.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 12, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.
Instead of arguing with me why aren't you condemning threats like those?

of course i condemn such threats.
but i thought this was a discussion. can you back up your claim yet?


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 13, 2009, 09:59:41 AM
not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.
Instead of arguing with me why aren't you condemning threats like those?

of course i condemn such threats.
but i thought this was a discussion. can you back up your claim yet?
There should be confirmation in the next few weeks. It's possible that it won't be made public. Maybe you can do some research to find out.

Have you seen the list of Islamic terrorism post 911 at:
www.thereligionofpeace.com
?


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 13, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
not wrong. that's why i used the word 'usually'. and you seem to agree with me as you use the word 'sometimes'.

and i am still waiting for you to back up your claim that islamic terrorists started the bushfires in victoria, australia.
but i think you made that up.
Instead of arguing with me why aren't you condemning threats like those?

of course i condemn such threats.
but i thought this was a discussion. can you back up your claim yet?
There should be confirmation in the next few weeks. It's possible that it won't be made public. Maybe you can do some research to find out.

Have you seen the list of Islamic terrorism post 911 at:
www.thereligionofpeace.com
?

sure... you are just making stuff up as you go along.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
nice for in fiction, but i prefer the real world.
same as your fantasy posts in another thread:

New date is Jan 23. There are a few reasons about that timing. First it put everyone home for the weekend. Second it allows Barakah Hussain Obama to become president and have to resign, the importance of this is racial rioting and keeping that to a minimum. Finally, if Congress is in charge then an attack by Islamic terrorists can't be aimed at the black prez.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 13, 2009, 03:06:29 PM
sure... you are just making stuff up as you go along.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
nice for in fiction, but i prefer the real world.
same as your fantasy posts in another thread:
 
I wish I was making things up, unfortunately Islamic terrorism is very real.
Maybe you can answer the question if you checked out the list on the site I recommended with the actual 15000 actual events of Islamic terrorism post 911.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on February 13, 2009, 03:24:19 PM
I worry about the civil unrest in Mexico.  I believe that most people who cross the boarder are peaceful and have good intentions.

However, with the Mexican military and various police busy with drug lord/dealer problems, how many potential terrorist (of many organizations) are just slipping through the cracks?

Add to that the problems of citizens keeping crime from their property, peaceful border crossers at increased risk of crime, and criminals being released in states like California with overcrowding, it seems like it will be easier to engage in terrorist acts.  What would terrorists fear in this country?

Well armed citizens?  Military or civil defense?  The law?  The courts?

I do think crime and terrorism will be up for the next ten to twenty years. 

jmho


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 13, 2009, 03:25:58 PM
sure... you are just making stuff up as you go along.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
nice for in fiction, but i prefer the real world.
same as your fantasy posts in another thread:
 
I wish I was making things up, unfortunately Islamic terrorism is very real.
Maybe you can answer the question if you checked out the list on the site I recommended with the actual 15000 actual events of Islamic terrorism post 911.

i know islamic terrorism is real. i never said it is not.

but you are still making stuff up by claiming the bushfires in victoria, australia this month were started by islamic terrorists.
you can't back this up, because you made it up.

Wildfires in Australia started by Islamic terrorists.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 13, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
I worry about the civil unrest in Mexico.  I believe that most people who cross the boarder are peaceful and have good intentions.

However, with the Mexican military and various police busy with drug lord/dealer problems, how many potential terrorist (of many organizations) are just slipping through the cracks?

Add to that the problems of citizens keeping crime from their property, peaceful border crossers at increased risk of crime, and criminals being released in states like California with overcrowding, it seems like it will be easier to engage in terrorist acts.  What would terrorists fear in this country?

Well armed citizens?  Military or civil defense?  The law?  The courts?

I do think crime and terrorism will be up for the next ten to twenty years. 

jmho
There was a movement through Mexico a couple of years ago and MS13 was being initiated. They were suppose to have 'kill a cop' night in the US as an initiation. Didn't work and AQ stopped recruiting in that direction, also with a a little help from US agencies. Anyway, Mexican drug wars aren't nearly as dangerous as the poppy fields in Afghanistan because the OIC, 57 Islamic nations, are behind the biggest drug industry on the planet, heroine.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 15, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
i know islamic terrorism is real. i never said it is not.

but you are still making stuff up by claiming the bushfires in victoria, australia this month were started by islamic terrorists.
you can't back this up, because you made it up.
caesu, I'll forgive your rude comments. Unless you know Mustafa Setmariam Nasar then you have no idea what you are saying.
The internet is an easy place for people to flame and be unkind. I wish you peace.
Leave counter-terrorism to the professionals and maybe go back to school or do some research.
Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
i know islamic terrorism is real. i never said it is not.

but you are still making stuff up by claiming the bushfires in victoria, australia this month were started by islamic terrorists.
you can't back this up, because you made it up.
caesu, I'll forgive your rude comments. Unless you know Mustafa Setmariam Nasar then you have no idea what you are saying.
The internet is an easy place for people to flame and be unkind. I wish you peace.
Leave counter-terrorism to the professionals and maybe go back to school or do some research.
Have a nice day.

as long as you don't back it up, you made it up. i stand by that.

or you've been fooled by some ignorant blogs.
that's more likely i think, because there are thousands of dumb copy-paste blogs out there.

Quote
SYDNEY - Australian police Wednesday dismissed any suggestion the wildfires that have killed more than 180 people could have been started by Islamic militants waging "forest jihad".

The idea has started to turn up on Internet blog sites after reports last year that a group of Islamic extremists had urged Muslims to light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

Police believe some of the fires that ripped through southeast Australia since the weekend were started by arsonists, but a spokesman said there was no suspicion they were Islamic terror attacks.

"None at all, absolutely nothing, zero," Superintendent Ross McNeill told AFP.

"We usually rank possibilities on a scale of 0 to 10 - this would be on a negative scale," he said.
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20090211-121090.html

so don't tell me to go back to school or do some research.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 15, 2009, 07:07:38 PM
so don't tell me to go back to school or do some research.
MSM doesn't count as education.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on February 15, 2009, 07:56:23 PM
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A hearing is currently taking place to determine whether an order suppressing the man's name will be lifted.

The court heard there were fears for the man's safety if his details were made public.

But John-Paul Cashen, representing media outlets, said no evidence had been called to say the man was in danger.

He said murderers and pedophiles appeared in court every day and their names were not suppressed.

Magistrate John Klestadt said it had been widely reported that members of the Churchill community already knew the man's identity.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25060413-5005961,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25060413-5005961,00.html)

I wonder who the man is...



Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2009, 08:55:28 PM
so don't tell me to go back to school or do some research.
MSM doesn't count as education.

make up stuff doesn't either.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 16, 2009, 08:11:32 PM
Terrorists usually have a degree in engineering, they are also very smart and frugal. Here is another example:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Could_missing_WalMart_signs_wind_up_0215.html
Quote
A little over a year ago, a routine audit at Wal-Mart reported a few missing exit signs at the company's stores and warehouses. As the audit continued, more and more signs turned up missing, and a month ago, Wal-Mart revealed that as many as 20% of the 70,000 signs at its 4500 facilities cannot be accounted for, a stunning total of 15,800 signs in all.

This would be of no particular concern -- except that the signs are radioactive. They contain tritium gas, a form of hydrogen which is used for emergency exit signs because of its ability to glow in the dark when the power goes out.


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on February 16, 2009, 08:46:51 PM
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"I'm sure thousands of them would create a credible dirty bomb," says Norm Rubin, director of nuclear research at Energy Probe in Toronto. "Most experts think the main purpose of a dirty bomb is to cause panic, disruption and expensive cleanup rather than lots of dead bodies. A bunch of tritium, especially if oxidized in an explosion, would probably do that job fine."

Tritium is also a component in nuclear warheads. In 2005, SRB Technologies got permission from the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission to export 70,000 of its tritium exit signs to Iran. Foreign Affairs Canada blasted the regulator for allowing shipment to a country that's attempting to develop weapons of mass destruction. The shipment went through.

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She was shocked when told about the 15,800 missing tritium signs at Wal-Mart, but even more surprised to learn that use of such signs isn't tracked or monitored in Canada.

"Most people haven't even heard of tritium," she lamented.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/587906 (http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/587906)

I think that falls in line with some of my thoughts - the ability to take common ordinary things and turn them into destruction. 

In the back of my mind, I remember problems with some Exit signs at the Holiday Inn in Aruba - part of the NH case.  I keep this story in mind when I see other Exit signs missing.  I've heard people remark "Who'd want an Exit sign?"


Title: Re: Links to learn about Islamic Terrorism
Post by: jjayinthemorning on February 17, 2009, 08:08:13 AM
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"I'm sure thousands of them would create a credible dirty bomb," says Norm Rubin, director of nuclear research at Energy Probe in Toronto. "Most experts think the main purpose of a dirty bomb is to cause panic, disruption and expensive cleanup rather than lots of dead bodies. A bunch of tritium, especially if oxidized in an explosion, would probably do that job fine."

Tritium is also a component in nuclear warheads. In 2005, SRB Technologies got permission from the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission to export 70,000 of its tritium exit signs to Iran. Foreign Affairs Canada blasted the regulator for allowing shipment to a country that's attempting to develop weapons of mass destruction. The shipment went through.

Quote
She was shocked when told about the 15,800 missing tritium signs at Wal-Mart, but even more surprised to learn that use of such signs isn't tracked or monitored in Canada.

"Most people haven't even heard of tritium," she lamented.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/587906 (http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/587906)

I think that falls in line with some of my thoughts - the ability to take common ordinary things and turn them into destruction. 

In the back of my mind, I remember problems with some Exit signs at the Holiday Inn in Aruba - part of the NH case.  I keep this story in mind when I see other Exit signs missing.  I've heard people remark "Who'd want an Exit sign?"
I'm sure these weren't individually stolen, it was probably a shipment that didn't make it. In NJ they call that "fell off the truck".
Yes, they are practical and use everyday items. I wonder about some cell phone collection places that can be used as detonators.