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Yey!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

first one here!
cute picture Klaas...

Thanks Klaas!  Will only jump on the beds when necessary.  Cuz we know that you can hear when that happens.  heheheeeeeeeeeee

 ::MonkeyDance::

Yay,   Im here.........wow we went past 100, do we get a prize for that or a demerit!!!!!

I don't know why the Haleigh website is not up, hopefully someone here will.

hey Wykers....what should we do while we wait for the others?  ::cartwheel::

Congrats Cookie!! 

And yesssss.. love that pic!!    ::MonkeyDance::

dunno...maybe they are making some changes or tweeking it?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

At least some extra popcorn, eh? 

lol thanks Klaas =)

Last response on last thread:
Misty's been on Myspace today
Crystal has been on myspace today.

Ron has a myspace according to an article cause he changed his status to "we are married now haliegh, just like you wanted" (I can't find the source, but when I do, I will post it)

Dangit, I am waiting for a client to come in, so I am going to search =D

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::   boy Klaas scared me when she appeared and threw that lock on and shut us down in like 1 second flat, I almost said     Wyks did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Dunno either.  It was up yesterday.  Will be interesting to see how it may have changed, when it comes back up.  Yesterday, IMO, it looked kind of.... well ermmmm... new.  The politest thing I could think of, under the circumstances. 

Are teachers in FL mandatory reporters?

Jump on the beds???   ::MonkeyEek::  No wait, I just promised I wouldn't... dang it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Ron is a *friend* (cough cough) on Misty's account.   ::MonkeyEek::

Y'all go search, and I'll just wait for the results. hee.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is beyond me how they could even *think* about posting/reading on Myspace. 

I wouldn't be functioning.  period.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Regarding the Haleigh website that was up yesterday.  When I went to the site yesterday it wasn't completely working for me.  They probably had some technical issues.  Anyway, it appears today it's down and under construction which IMO it needed:

http://haleighbug.com/

Thats the thing, Misty's is private *gjakgjksjkslsg*

Thanks Scuter!! 

Gosh, I dunno 'bout the rest of you, but for me, the last place I'd be looking for Haleigh is on the comp, on myspace.  Ya know?  Sigh.  I know, that was catty.  *slapping hands*

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyTongue::

I can't imagine doing this either, but I don't even have a myspace page. I would be drugged and out of it, and probably be in the hospital if anything like that happened to me, I can't even think about it. Could someone please post Misty's myspace page? Thanks

IIRC, someone in the last thread said they are.  Could be diff from state to state, but am thinking that any resp. person in a position of authority, are mandated reporters. 

Yep, my opinion too! 

It's very cute that they named the website that.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517

They may have had someone offer to do custom webdesign or something. That may be why its down. Some people do that instead of uploading little by little.

Hello monkeys!

I was going to take a day off from posting, but seems I can't keep my mouth shut. LOL

I went to the haleighbug.com website yesterday and it was not really complete then. Today's "under construction" site is a different layout. I am guessing they decided to go with a whole new layout. And creating a website does take time. I know.  LOL

O/T: I saw Higherhopes say:

I posted all of the Easter clothes last night, and you have several to choose from there, if you like.

And, Chi-Mama ... I also dressed you and posted it last night, per your request. Take a look! ;-)

Sorry for the O/T .. but it is difficult getting the word out sometimes.

Back to Haleigh!

Misty's my soace from 9/2008 said she 19. I wonder if she told Ron that in the beginning
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=412920159
this is the recent link which is private
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517 here she stated her age has 17

Scooter - FWIW photobucket just deleted your avatar gif from my photobucket account saying it violated rules.  I have no idea, probably copywrite rules but just letting you know. 

Scooter: Go to my thread in my sig line, I will have a fix for you in 2 minutes waiting for you.

True that, Scuter.  I'd like to see them at least put up a pic of Haleigh.  Takes time, doing a wesite. 

So assuming that what was heard (boiling water on fingers) was true and it was actually said, Why would the teacher not report it? Seems like the better part of valor would be to report and then let DHS investigate?

a website even.  LOL  editing cuz my speller went south. 

That's very true!  It's just that we don't know whether the teacher reported it.  Am thinking s/he did and just hasn't said that.  ??  I dunno.  But what you say is true, yep! 

Thanks for posting Misty's myspace page.  ::MonkeyCool::

*stares at dirty dishes in sink*  dang it.   ::MonkeyTongue::

guess i'll go tidy up, will bbl. 

Thanks for letting me know. =)

and thanks so much Brandi!! =D I love it! Makes me wish I had a cadbury easter egg right now =D Thank you so much for helping me =D

Probably because of:

Haleigh's mom, family working on headquarters

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090318/ARTICLES/903181011/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-mom-family-working-on-headquarters

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

...anything for a monkey in need!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Higherhopes, prancing in with my new Easter avi.....................woohooo,  dont I look smashing darling..........

Thanks Brandi.......................I Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My SIL is an elementry school teacher, 1st grade, and according to her if a teach sees bruising, scrapes, cuts, or abrasions of any kind on a child, even if they suspect it from a fall, they are to take the child aside and ask what happened purely for discovery type purposes, they are to report any and all unusual marks on a child for investigation to the school administration who furthers the discovery or denies the need.  NOW, she did say that was a rule for Florida School Teachers, not sure for other states, and I am not sure if that is just for elementry school or if it carries through all grade levels.  She is now teaching at a private Catholic school this year, and the rules in regards to this and some other things are held to an even high standard.

i came back from grocery shopping and I was lost in the other thread .. ::MonkeyConfused::

But I do find it very errie and strange  that sex offender Snodgrass want to donate..

Tuesday Regan told First Coast News, "This gentleman pulled in here and said, 'I don't want any recognition. I don't want anyone to know my name. I heard you need office supplies for the foundation for Haleigh.'"

Regan said the man told him he had furniture at his house he would donate.

Then Regan said he heard the man mention his name to a reporter from Orlando.

"The reporter asked the man his name and he said, 'Snodgrass. Daniel Snodgrass.' A nd that name went BING in my head," Regan told First Coast News.

Daniel Snodgrass was arrested in 2007 on two charges. One was sexual battery on a child as well as a lewd and lascivious charge involving a child.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=295

Dolce thanks for the info about school teachers, things are so different then when I was a kid. JerseyGirl, it is beyond weird that Snodgrass went there yesterday, did he not think when people found out who he was, that they didn't want a SO near there?  ::MonkeyConfused::

You are ever so welcome!!! ;-) So glad you like it, HH!

scooter .. I changed yours a little .. I posted to you in the other thread ;-)

ITA.. What the heck was he thinking of.. No SO should be allowed near there. I hope the police are watching the area and the charity place... ::MonkeyTongue::

Jersey, when I read that article and read the name Daniel Snodgrass .. I had a terrible feeling in my stomach. Had read that name before in this case, and it wasn't on a good note. I have not had time to go back into my notes about him yet. But I will as soon as I get a moment.

I hope he isnt the type of sex offender that is braison enough to go back to the seen of a crime to torment... If Snodgrass had anything to do with Haleigh missing.. Rumors were Misty was hanging around him and knew him.. ::MonkeyTongue::

what do you mean?

In Canada?

Yes, she said, for legal reasons to protect the identity of callers.

"We use a Canadian call center because the tipster information and their phone number can never be subpoenaed," DeWees said. "All of our calls are 800 numbers that are forwarded to the Canadian call center."

Haleigh, a 5-year-old girl, was reported missing from her home in Satsuma on Feb. 10. No sign of the kindergartner has been seen since, despite a massive search of South Putnam County and an intensive criminal investigation involving local, state and federal authorities.

No suspects have been named in the case and no arrests have been made.

Crime Stoppers of Northeast Florida began accepting calls in the Haleigh case after the large volume overwhelmed the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

And the large number of calls meant Crime Stoppers' monthly bill went up. A normal month costs the program $1,600, but the phone bill for February topped $5,000, DeWees said.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/18/news/news01.txt

never mind ...saw that you got an answer...some of these monkeys are really quick..

Many, many organizations and companies in the USA use Canadian call centers. Not unusual at all. If that is what you are wondering.

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Where'd everyone go?   ::MonkeyEek::


Hey!  I took a shower and everything!   ::MonkeyTongue::

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Am listening to HLN right now...talking about this case...tune in...pretty interesting...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::     Hi Wyks.  They're discussing the case on HLN right now - about Crystal's allegations of abuse. 

Aha!!  Thanks Cookie!  Was gonna wait til JVM.. On my way!

Cobra is on now...interesting !

Cobra says he does not work for anyone except Haleigh.  Says the case will be closed very soon!!!!    ::MonkeyShocked::

OMg u hear that the case should be closed soon i hope and pray he isn't lieing

Thanks BG!  Hmmm.. Cobra!  They say the case will be closed soon? 

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::

formerdcfinvestigator

The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours ---but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it ---I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don't know if she quit or was fired.

When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.

I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me "everyone knew she hated Haliegh.....she was putting her fingers in boiling water......." Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.

You might say to yourself "Why would dcf place a child there?" I couldn't tell you but the local judge makes the final decision....however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.

Putnams dcf is far far far worse.
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Go Cobra, resolution soon.

 I sure hope & pray all the abuse allegations aren't true & that Cobra is getting to the bottom of it & we will find Haleigh safe & well. He sounds like an honest, no fooling around type guy. 

Very pretty, HH!   ::MonkeyWink::

All I can say is GO Cobra, wade through whatever you have to, to get to the  truth!!!

 I really hope he is sincere and we will know what happened to Haleigh and why very soon!!!!!!!!

Heart thanks for posting that  ::MonkeyEek:: you wonder how some of these children survive these upbringings? It makes me so sick, and I thank God everyday I had a loving and good upbringing.

Yes, he does.

Well lets pray for that to be true with a positive outcome. 

However it sounded that Mr. Cobra was in to himself.  How many hours he had put in 20 to 22 hours per day for the week that he had been there.  Someone related to him birthday coming up. And someone threating his life.

Thanks for re-posting this, this is the post I sent to the proper authorities, figured they could check out the IP and get in contact with this teacher......

Okay ~ I'm just throwing this out there in VERY simplistic terms:

Could Misty have *accidently* (her claim to Ron) caused Hayleigh's death/disappearance....AND, Ron is actually protecting Misty for whatever reason?

I know a lot of us agree that Misty's the key (first part of my question) .....but what about the second part I mentioned?

Now that I read this, it sounds really goofy.  oh, well ~ just a thought  ::MonkeyConfused::

And, by the way ~ I am sick of hearing about that OctoMom.  Gag me. I can't turn the channel fast enough.

Thanks for posting that info and link, Heart! 

Disgusting, the stuff that is allowed to go on, in some of these DCF cases.   ::MonkeyEek::

We need dedicated workers, not those willing to shuffle cases and sit on em. 

I know... I was thinking the same as what you wrote here.  While he did sound very positive of what he saying about the case being closed soon, I admit I heard shades (no pun intended) of LP.  But, this is the first I've heard him speak, so will give him the benefit of the doubt.  Sometimes I say things and people take it the wrong way, we can just hope & pray he's on the level.  Wish we could have seen him, eyeballed him. 

Love it!!!! Thank you so much!!

I missed it  ::MonkeyWaa:: Anyone have a link to it?

Those thoughts have entered my mind also, so maybe we are both goofy  ::MonkeyHaHa:: OctoMom, since I live in Ca I'm real excited to help pay for all 14 kids, while she doesn't work  ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't necessarily think that's goofy but while I don't think much of Ron, he doesn't seem the type to protect anyone except himself.  From what I've seen of him, I'm under the impression he probably would have stomped Misty in the ground if he knew she'd hurt Haleigh.  But then again maybe they're covering for each other for various reasons. 

I think it was Wyks that said the reason we don't have more info is bc they haven't arrested anyone, which I didn't know.  If they'd arrest someone, the Sunshine Law would require the release of info, so please let them throw someone in the poky.

I agree on octomom !!  Blah!

IMO, yeppers, that is a possibility. 

What gets me is, *if* this theory works out to be true, why would the father of a missing child protect one who (accidentally or otherwise) may be the one responsible? 

*flips thru my theories to see which fits* 

Whatever the answer to the above might be.. it sure could be one reason why Ron married Misty so very quickly.  Thinking perhaps, to protect her further if/when there is an arrest?  Would a jury look more sympathetically at Misty (new stepmother of Haleigh) if it were an accident?  Would they go easier on her if she were, for example, pregnant? 

Just thinking out loud here...

Not sure there is a link ....   Sometimes they go off of a story and come back to it, maybe he'll talk some more about it?  I dunno, but JVM is coming up right after Galanos. 

True about Ron, BG!  That's my take on him too.   And yet, *if* what has actually happened could in any way reflect badly on him, would he then do whatever it takes to cover his ass protect Misty, (ie: her info)? 

Geez, I can only say I sincerely hope not, but I know that's being naive.    :-(     

Maybe Ron realized *after* that funky 911 call what really happened (whatever that is), and decided to stay quiet concerning Misty.....(if her irresponsible behavior is what caused this).

Now, why would he protect her?  Thank goodness, I'm having trouble putting myself in his/her shoes and trying to think like those folks.  hee. and ick.

That would explain why he constantly says "I don't know, I was at work." Instead of coming to her defense now.

Yeppers!  Good points, all! 

JVM on.. hopefully she will have Haleigh's case up first. 

I just have to say... Crystal's headquarters for Haleigh is... ermmm.. one PURPLE building!   ::MonkeyEek::

Does anyone know where all those pics of Haleigh are that they're showing right now?  It says "from myspace" on the top right of all of them.   

According to reports purple is Haleigh's favorite color.

JVM states that Misty has an open invitation to appear on her show. But currently Misty has not responded to their calls.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: 

It's like watching monkeys on JVM, they are hitting the very points we've made in here! 

that doesnt surprise me..someone said she was gonna be on nancy grace last night too but she wasnt

True, Heart, just wasn't prepared to see the whole outside of the building that bright shade of purple.  lol  Would kind of grow on me, I guess. 

Last I heard from Misty, she wanted the media to leave her alone.  Wonder if she will ever take JVM up on her offer?  I like that JVM wants to be fair to all sides. 

Sorry BG, dunno which myspace they are from.

A little humor in an otherwise sad time - here is what I think of when I hear octomom -

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Dang I love that commertial!

I really hate it when they have these talking heads on their shows that have not kept up with the case like that ninny that just stated on JVM stating that we do not know how long Haleigh had been missing,  that Haleigh could have been missing for two weeks.  Hes trying to just take over and answer all the questions.  Said no one other than LE had been inside the trailer since it is no longer a crime scene.  Geeze!

Who is this talking idjit?

My take on Ron / Misty ~~~

I really don't think...that Ron has a CLUE that Misty MAY HAVE or DID something to Haleigh.

Misty was Amber's baby sitter, and said he would get her man.

Now, in Ron's presence and possibly the rest of the Cumming's family, Misty was the sweet, innocent, lovable girl that just adored Ron's children.

However, I feel that Misty was jealous of Haleigh.  Ron appeared to dearly love that little girl and I think she was put ahead of MISTY.  So...Misty sought some revenge against her.

Why they got married?????  Maybe Misty got drift of the fact....if married no testify, etc....  Misty seemed happy at the wedding, Ron..not so much showed happiness.

Remember all, Ron was at work.  He may not have one once of belief or evidence that Misty did not like Haleigh, so therefore, he has no reason not to believe what ....little information she is giving.

He is not really defending her, as he doesn't really know what went on that night.

Now, if it comes to be that Misty is definitely involved in Haleigh's disappearance, I would bet lots...that RON....will be livid.  He will find it hard to believe, and so may the rest of the family.

 

I am with you.  She needs to at least make sure her "experts" are familiar with the case.  He was not only and idiot, but a smart ass.

Really bad appearance she made on Today show; if she's smart (lol) she won't do any more interviews.

Lady - not trying to get in your business, but if you'd like an avatar, CBB is an outstanding designer.  You can go to either thread below and leave her a message, then check back later for her response.  She's usually on later at night.     ::MonkeyWink::

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When I saw all those reporters and that mad rush JVM was showing at suleman's home I had to change the channel.  The human race has dipped to the lowest.  It made me sick.  It is all sensationalism no matter what the subject. where is that puking monkey. sorry, but that is my opinion.

Thx BG i was checking into it earlier and got confused and said the heck with it..lol

LOL, I remember feeling the same way.   You can just leave a message on the last page of either of those threads and tell CBB you need help & she'll take it from there. 
 

Ahh I see thank you so much..Can I use a picture of my own and can she dress it up?

what if its the other way around-what if ron hurt Haleigh and Misty is protecting him. I havnt been  following the case-did anyone see Haleigh the day she went missing.  I am thinking it could have happend the day before not on the night they said it did. 

Definitely ! 

Has there been any more word on Geraldo and the picture of a beaten Haleigh that you know of?

Anything is possible in this case..Trust me theres a reason they got married and it wasnt cuz HL wanted them too.

GG said she seen them but im not buying that either...MOO

Yes ~ I've wondered about that, too. 

HiHo...you look so precious.  Brandi did an awesome job, as usual.

Can't wait for you to make another trip to the region.  Your personal insight into things there were most revealing for me.  

Things are not looking good as too much time has passed now.  It bothers me that they waited to take that door AFTER every reporter in town touched it.  Very puzzling as to how it could be of any value to them now.

They have proof thast she was at school that day, and also a neighbor saw her outside playing with other children later that afternoon,, so accounted for up until I'd say at least dark...

Thank You, yes Brandi is great with the avi's I love it.....

 I will be going again soon, I personally and several others there when I went already felt it was too late then,
   The door thing I think is something to have for future reference, like say if they find HC and then they find someones shirt and it has a certain tear in it caused from the handle of that door or something like that they can prove that this particular door is the one that made that mark..........also for proof that it was or was not broken into........its a safety measure as they dont know how this case will proceed in the future!!!!!

Yeppers, of course it could be the other way around.  We were just discussing one possibility out of a whole lot of em.  Not trying to be one-sided, in just talking about one thing at a time.  I've got a theory on everyone.  Well, except for the neighbor dog.  LOL  Although if there is one, why didn't it bark?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Crystal and her lawyer are on NG.

Ohh that sux, Crystal said he never returned the kids from a parental visit.. the baby was only 6 mos old.. I think that's a rather cold thing to do... ::MonkeyNoNo:: I would have diced his nutzzz off  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

And the worst part he took the two kids to Texas I think for a month.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It was supposedly confirmed by school officials that Haleigh was at school that day.  And supposedly confirmed by the school bus driver that she was picked up at the bus stop.  Also, supposedly, LE has interviewed the AC man who was there that aft/early eve.  And a neighbor claims to have seen Haleigh that aft/early eve.   

Seems that beyond that, it's been family members who said they saw her. 

Good for Nancy.  This is sickening.  She is all duded up too.  Got on makeup and a dress.  But, there she goes dabbing those eyes with that kleenex.

Now she looks like a liar.  IMO

I haven't followed this case too closely, why is NG being such a Major Biotch to the biomom?

Crystal's attorney is telling NG that Ronald beat Haleigh with sticks, belts. Threw Haleigh down the stairs.

NG states that Crystal has a record of filing false police claims.

Evening Monkeys. Boy NG has her boxing gloves on tonight. ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder why Nancy isnt bringing up all of Ronnies drug arrests and DV arrest? I dont believe that these talking heads, esp an atty, should take sides... thats MY job  ::MonkeyHaHa::

yikes...  ::MonkeyEek::

Ron isn't Mr. Innocent, IMO.  He admittedly dated many teenagers so he likes to control his immature, naive "women".  I don't get why he's getting the benefit of the doubt when he is probably a big jackazz.  His fake crying really bothers me too.

I hate being the newbie.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I probably will be irritating until some monkeys set me straight.  ::MonkeyWink::

Crystal wasn't around when Haleigh went missing.  Haleigh went missing on Ron's watch not Crystal's.  Why are YOU being so hard on Crystal?

I tried to add a avitar ... I guess I screwed it up cuz I dont see it.. ::MonkeyConfused::

If you want more information on the case there is as part of this forum a thread where you can read transcripts, interviews etc. that will catch you up.  It has been going on since Feb. and the information is quite lengthy.

Just go back to the main Haleigh thread and scroll down and you will see it.  Probably would be a good idea because it is quite complicated.  Lots of different opinions.

OBull we love your azzz.. and you arent a noobie  ::MonkeyTongue::

Ron looks like a liar also sooooooo

Yeah she does!  Just the other night she was a cream puff.  Was that when Ron was on?  Maybe she's taking turns with her moods, nightly? 

Well whenever this finally comes to an end, we will see if NG was a Major Biotch or just doing her job.

I will have to say that NG was like a little mellow kitten with Ron a couple of days ago.

You reckon NG might be a bit bias.  ::MonkeyWink::

Oooops!  Forgot to say 'evening mgo!'  I love your avatar, makes me grin just watching that smoke rise..   ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks.  I have heard about it on NG, other than that, I didn't really want to get too wrapped up in another case after the Caylee Anthony case.
Haven't seen you around before!  So, how did you end up in the cage? ::MonkeyWink::

Batting 1000 tonight... meant to put THIS smily:   ::MonkeyWink::

that's exactly why I asked, she was much nicer to Ron and his mother

NG might have a disdain for Kim P.   She definitely have her fangs out tonight.

Ok jumping in here.  If I understand the attorney correctly, Crystal never witnessed any of the alleged abuse of the children by Ronald first hand.  They intend to show this with witnesses?  I tend to believe that someone did have concerns and reported them to DCF b/c they stated they had been to the house before.  I tend to believe it was based on allegations of abuse b/c of Ron stating that he spanked the children according to the guidelines given by DCF.

So, are there new allegations since then?  I would like to know how long ago the DCF investigation was.  If there are new allegations that Crystal's attorney brought to the attention of DCF, where in the HECK were these witnesses before now?? Why didn't THEY bring report to DCF directly??

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

Where's that blushing monkey?  LOL

Heck no, that's how I see Ron also, he scares me.

Newbie?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Some were posting about Ronald's facial expressions a couple of nights ago.  Is anyone paying attention to Crystal's facial expressions?

Maybe just a tad.   ::MonkeyWink::

Art Harris is a mo mo.... howard k stern buddy.....puke me

Ok, this is a sensitive issue for me, so I'm biased...just putting this out there.

I think Nancy is being a total biotch because she has the perfect little family with her perfect little hubby and of course, the angelic, perfect twins.

Ron and Misty lost the child, not Crystal.  Game Over for Ron and Misty, IMO.
How the hell could Crystal do worse?

I also know that DCF is not perfect, and they could have been snowed just like Nancy is being snowed, IMO by Ron.

PuhLeeze

Art Harris just stated that he is going to put up pictures of abused Haleigh and Ron Jr on his site that Crystal has given in.  Haleigh with black eye, bruises, etc.

Yeah, was just thinking maybe it's an attorney thang.. NG is much nicer to family members. 

Well.... sometimes.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

   ::MonkeyCool:: well, in this case? LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

This is a good example of a post that EVERYONE should avoid and pass over. JMO

But these are pictures that Crystal already turned over to DCF to investigate right?

Good points cheeky!!  IIRC, Crystal's attorney spoke with some of the locals?  Maybe it's the same ole same ole thing, that folks around there are afraid to make reports on what they know?  Hard to know exactly.

 TY took the words right out of my mouth!

  Thanks HH- so much for my theory-

I for one would like to know why NG treated Ron with respect and didn't attack him, and why she is treating Crystal like she did Melinda Duckett, what's going on Nancy?  ::MonkeyEek::

Can he do that?  legally?   ::MonkeyEek::

Right!  Art I believe said that the pic of Jr was within DCF's guidelines. Will have to post the transcript when it comes up online.

I think it is because I am a mother and I cannot imagine giving up my children without a fight.  I don't believe Ron would not let her communicate with them between visits.  I believe that mainly because she was still getting them every two weeks and yet she was greatly behind in her child support.  She has made no effort to raise them or get them back.

They have been with their father since Haleigh was two and Junior was less than a year old.  If there was abuse going on and she did not notice it then she is not a mother that is aware of her children.  Neither may be fit, but he has taken care of them and no one has complained so far.

I am watching the interview right now and am seeing her (Crystal) rolling her eyes.  The same as Ron.  So what say you about that?  I say it is because for both of them they are disagreeing with what the interviewer is saying and no other reason. 

I also say that there is going to be more speculation now that Crystal has come out and opened herself up for attacks.  I am not being hard on her anymore than people have been hard on Ron's side.  I think the same opining should be good for one as for the other.  There are flaws and falicies in both their information. 

As with Ron just because he or she is saying it does not make it true.  She has come forward with these allegations and now she has opened herself up for scrutiny.  And since none of us know the truth about what happened I am expressing my opinion. 

 

AMEN ! I got the feeling that Crystal had just about had enough & could have walked off. I think during the break her lawyer said something to NG and she softened for a moment.

Thanks. I have no way of explaing NG... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: just no consistency.

Although I don't think this is the "ideal" time to bring these accusations, what would Nancy Grace say if Crystal did nothing and then Ron kills himself, Misty and Jr. if it happens that he feels cornered and has no way out? Maybe he got carried away and did hurt her?

Nancy cut Art off before he finished what he was saying.  Art was saying that he was going to put the pictures up as soon as, and then NG interrupted him before he finished.

I dont see any tatooes or wedding rings, or new gap caps,    IMO  she looks like a greiving Mother.......

Beyond that, why in the world would a mother want to do that to her child. There are other ways to handle this situation. I sure hope her attorney talks her out of this.

Why because I am expressing an opinion that is not on Crystal's behalf.  I have read for sometime now similar things said about the "other side" and not seen any one get upset.  They have been called liars, druggies, and murderers and no one skipped over these posts.  This forum is like a kangaroo court.  I am not on anyone's side, but good grief what happened to innocent until proven guilty?  You can skip over it is fine, because I have skipped over plenty myself.

And is this the right time? I take that back it maybe the right time, to get Jr out of that surrounding.  ::MonkeyEek::

No it's ok, cherjers!  The first part of what you were saying could very well be!  Folks outside the family saw Haleigh that day, so just tweak your theory with that info. 

If you're thinking that maybe Haleigh was harmed earlier than when she went missing, yep, that's possible, even tho folks saw her.  It could have taken some time for any internal injuries to be fatal.  If that was the case. 

We've also talked in here about maybe Haleigh got hit or something and died much later.  We also don't know *for sure* that Ron didn't leave work early..  There are rumors, which might only be rumors. 

And being "spotted" at work by co-workers doesn't really cut it for some of us, as his absolute alibi. 

Please don't give up on your theory cuz some parts don't fit.  Tweak away!!  Just as with ours, which incl those for each player in this case, our theories may get a change-up as new facts are uncovered. 

 ::MonkeyWink::

I'm a mother too, and although I can't imagine ever leaving my children, it sounds like Ron picks weak, dependent women.  He does this because he himself is weak, insecure and a bully.  He plays dirty and just listening to his part of the 911 call tells me he is a domineering chauvinistic azz.  I'm not sure Crystal is any better, but I can see where someone like Ron would intimidate and scare her into staying away.  I don't for one sorry second believe he is a great father.   

Also, if you were watching, she's brought these allegations before.  Nancy backed off a little when she shut up long enough to hear that.

Ahhhhh .. well that's works!   ::MonkeyDance::

Well then Im afraid  this will get "skipped over by you too then"  but,   you need to remember first and foremost, Chrstal was not around when this baby came up missing and Im sure her tears are for real, I know mine would be, she has been through hell and back. and has behave better than I ever would.......I would have already beat little Mistie down....................

You are right about Nancy backing off and I am sure it is because she will get proof of what was said before she comments further.  And I am sure you will agree that is a good thing.  I want to see that proof myself. That is all I was trying to say. Show me the proof Ronald and Crystal.  Then we have more than she said he said.

Anyone keeping up with the eyesforlies blog? I just read the dissection of body language for the today show and it seems dead on. (IMO)

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html

I will put this out there. Don't know if anyone will believe it but it is real life.  I have a niece who lived through an abusive relationship/marriage.  They were married almost 20 years.  During that time he (as far as I know) did not hit her/beat her but he did verbally abuse her.  Calling her fat, dumb, stupid etc etc.  This went on for 20 years of his constantly day-in, day out doing this to her.  He was a druggie, she knew it, but subjected her daughter and his son (by another marriage) to all this happening around them.  She just never knew what to do and how to go about doing it.  He had broken her years before.  She finally got a divorce.  He took her to the cleaners, raked up expensive toys and she is stuck paying for it.  Why?  because he had convinced her years before that EVERYTHING is her fault and she believed him.She refused to fight him in court because she had no self-respect for herself.  It was all her fault.  They are now divorced but he still intimidates her.  Why?  because they do have a daughter together.  A restraining order does no good.  She has remarried and her husband is as good as gold to her.  But to this day she cannon make decisions on her own because she has no self respect for herself. Why?  because her former husband beat her down years before.  I am concerned for her. I told her mother that just 2 weeks ago.  Her mother told me she cannot understand why she will not take a stand against him and move on with her life.  I told her it will take lots of time (and she should get her in counseling now to overcome this).  Things are not always how they appear.  Chrystal is those childrens mother.  I see my niece in Chrystal.  I also see her former husband in Ronald.  I also see a very very immature child that was playing serious mind games using those kids and Ron and Chrystal against each other for her benefit. 

Just remember things have answers if you just look for them.  Please think about this.

I give up on NG. She is beyond biased and if she doesn't get the answer she wants (truth or not) she makes a huge stink. Not newsworthy to me. I like my news fair lol (which is hard to come by nowadays)

Beat her down??...Yea I would be in jail..

You know what and I agree with you, but if what she is saying is true Ronald would have been beaten down by me a long time ago.  The only thing children have are the adults who have been entrusted with their well being.  And whomever, Ronald or Crystal, that should have been their first concern.  I don't see that has been Crystals concern for the last 4 years.

I think  some of the proof has already been shown, I saw the picture from the Geraldo show, Ive seen the control during Ronald and Misties interviews...........Ive seen Ronalds long police records.......Ive seen his arrogant ways and his smart way of answering something that he thinks shouldnt be asked of him..............................but guess what.......He Was AT Work.....................I think thats the only thing he has going for him, for the time being anyway...

I'm really disgusted by her tonight.

What is with these talking heads who interrupt just as we are on the edge of our seats waiting to hear more?  JVM did the same kind of thing last night.  (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/smiley-gahh.gif)

I agree completely with this because I was verbally abused and physically abused in my first marriage. It damages you permanently. I dealt with it for 7 years until I decided either I was going to end it all, or leave. I left because I had two kids. To this day he still torments me any way he can even though I have a protective husband now.

Verbal abuse and someone destroying your self esteem is something you can never get over, plus it has a tendency to desensitize you as well.

and why is that? Minnie is just stating her opinion like everyone else is on here...Not nice...have you not been reading all the stuff that has been said about Misty, Ron and his mother and grandmother? should those posts also be skipped over?
Also, NG did prove that Crystal did lie about a different case where she said that some guy had stolen her car and then admitted to police that she had lied..NG has the police report in her hand...that is why Minnie said that she was looking like a liar? just guessing.

Thank-you Blue Moon, that was a very good post. It is horrible how many people are abused.

I beg to differ, Chrstal hasnt dissapeared from their lives, she did come and drive the distance to get her 2 days every two weeks with them, she did call DCF when she felt she needed to,  and if Ronald hadnt took those children and then just took off with them Im sure she would have still had them............................

I totally agree with you, if you're told you are no good piece of crap for years on end, you tend to end up believing the abuser ::MonkeyNoNo:: I have told the story many times of how my ex manipulated the system to gain custody of his former children......their mother fought him over an over and to no avail, she even had custody ALL summer so he went out and bought a 50,000 wakeboard boat, hmm can't imagine why he would do that ::MonkeyRoll:: they ended up spending the summer away from her to hang out on the boat.

Judges are not God and can and do get it wrong, and can be manipulated.

NG is making me hurl with he attititude towards Crystal after being all pathetic with Ron/Mamma Neves.

That's the feeling I got, myself.

Still catching up here, but had to say that I agree ;-)

I said earlier today that this will also be a battle between the city slicker attorney (which she has called herself) vs the backwood country bumpkins.

Just Thinking Out loud....This is where I am coming from..JMO

1. The children were in Cummings care when Haleigh went missing
2. Fibsty has told too many inconsistancies
3. A sudden marriage to a minor- They known each other for only 6 months- Why Now?
4. The 911 call- 30 minutes later after Haleigh went missing..Cummings already stating he has a gun and will kill them if they stole his daughter-Who he must have someone on his mind.
5. A gun in a ditch- Was there a fight with the cousin?
6. On NG Teresa says yes cousin was over Ron said no
7. Ron drug record-


Now I was wondering if they got married if drugs were invovled that cause Haleigh to go missing..

1 Fibsty is a minor could Ron be charge contributing to a minor if drugs were found in the home or drugs involved. If they are married would they have spousal privledge..

2. I think Crystal filing for custody @ this time for the sake of JR to keep him safe and protected- I say go for it... ::MonkeyTongue::

So, I watched most of Nancy, got in late.
Crystal is going to Mommy up.
Good for her. When would be the right time for her to do this ? 
Oh not now, she is taking away from Haleigh being missing.
Oh I call bs on that one. Her lawyer and Crystal are looking out for the interests of the
remaining  kid that is with Ron and Misty. Crystal isn't going out on physical searches and neither is her lawyer. They are not questioning Misty or conducting an investigation.
So, how is this taking away from Haleigh being missing ?
Maybe she should have done something before, but she is doing it NOW !
DFS was called in the past. By Crystal and the next little child girlfriend of Ron's.
Nancy made me mad, she was way too hard on them, but they stood up to her.
I love the lawyer !
..................
Any monkeys ever had DFS reports on them for physical abuse of a child ?
Would your friends and neighbours call a lawyer and tell tales of child abuse on you ?
...................

Wonder why none of the backwood country bumpkins have retained a city slicker attorney.  You know they have had plenty of offers to represent them "pro bono".  They all want in on the band wagon.

One thing I can say to this...............where there's smoke there's fire...............................yor right!!

Wonder why none of the backwood country bumpkins have retained a city slicker attorney.  You know they have had plenty of offers to represent them "pro bono".  They all want in on the band wagon.


   Maybe because Ronald was at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I have to say that was funny!!! ::MonkeyDance::

I know this is wrong, but I just laughed so hard at that statement that soup shot out of my nose.....

Now that was funnier  ::cartwheel::

Great points KatGram! I'm sure in a tiny town it would be even worse, and if you think about it Florida doesn't have the best record in Florida, IIRC they still can't find a little girl they placed ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Island,  could you please check your mail!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/missing17.png)

Brandi that is really beautiful. You have tons of skills with graphic programs. =)

That is beautiful Brandi................

Edit~too tired to type ::MonkeyConfused::

Brandi

I must say that is one of the most beautiful picture I have seen so far...

God Bless Haleigh...... ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks, I try to make one a day .. as I have said before, it's therapeutic for me to make the Haleigh tribute pictures.

She is a cute kid!

Thanks, Jersey .. I have made 18 so far LOL

(Been a little busy with Easter outfits for monkeys lately though.)

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Got it~nanners back

NG smarted off with one of her reporters last night when he attempted to set her straight regarding Dr Biden's non-position in the Caylee case.

I could not work for NG, because she would fire me for telling her where to go, all on national tv.

Grandma Defends Haleigh's Father
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134115&catid=3

Posted By: Gary Detman Posted By: Jessica Clark   
Created: 3/18/2009 5:54:37 PM    Updated: 3/18/2009 8:44:25 PM

SATSUMA, FL -- Haleigh Cummings' great-grandmother, Annette Sykes, says the allegations that her grandson abused Haleigh and Haleigh's little brother are "garbage and hearsay."

Sykes told First Coast News Wednesday, "Ronald's a good daddy. I'm not saying he's perfect because he's not. He's a young father, but he loves his children. He provides for his children. He spends as much time as he can with them."

Kim Picazio, Haleigh's mother's attorney, told First Coast News last week that after coming to Putnam County to help Crystal Sheffield handle the media, she received numerous calls and information about possible abuse involving Haleigh's father -- Ronald Cummings, Haleigh and Haleigh's little brother over the past few years.

Picazio said she provided all of that information to the Florida Department of Children and Families Tuesday so that the agency can investigate.

"We're not worried about that [investigation]," said Sykes. "It's just a matter of if they want to investigate facts or if they don't want to take the time and go by hear-say."

John Harrell, a spokesman for the Department of Children and Families, confirmed the agency did receive the information from Picazio this week. Harrell said the agency takes the allegations seriously and will review the information carefully.

As for the speculation that Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is fighting for custody of her children, Picazio told First Coast News she is still not pursuing a custody battle at this time.

Haleigh's great-grandmother, Sykes, said even talking about it right now is wrong.

"The only thing that needs to be talked about is Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings! Nothing else," Sykes said. "If they want to do all that other stuff, they should've waited until Haleigh came home. Any issues they had should not be now. Now is not the time."

I saw that.  Poor kid.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Me too~she was a class A Biatch tonight ......

That's funny we hadn't seen or heard from Misty, wondering if she is in hiding?   ::MonkeyEek::

Grandmama Sykes says that it should wait until Haleigh comes home. But Crystal has serious worries now about her youngest son.

Maybe Haleigh coming up missing is what broke the spell of control Ron had over Crystal, and this making her realize she has to speak up about everything thats going on and went on?

I think about what I went through, and I kept silent of 7 years of abuse (bruises and all) and never told a soul. I am thinking thats why Crystal is doing this.

Again. IMO.

Those are beautiful Brandi.
My hearth aches when kids go missing like this and it also makes me see red when I hear of little kids being physically abused to the point where the grown up uses objects like a belt or sticks. There is NEVER any reason to hit kids. 
I want all of this to come out by DFS reports and in a courtroom.   

I am going to keep my mouth shut on what I think of granny Spitefull.. ::MonkeyWink::

Little Misty with her eigth grade education and tons of life experience said only guilty people get lawyers..  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Here's the link to tell Nancy what you thought of her tonight.. I DID  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Now that IS the pot calling the kettle black........and Sykes is the one with a record of interfering with child custody ::MonkeyRoll::

I guess it was ok for ole Ronnie to get married and honeymoon in NYC though.......

well, just last night, this was published:

"The mother of Haleigh Cummings is accusing the girl's father of abusing his two kids. Crystal Sheffield's attorney Kim Picazio tells our news partner Channel Four that Ronald Cummings abused both of his kids. "Still, there are laws here that need to be adhered to," says Picazio.  "It's legally and morally wrong, and he needs to be brought to justice." They are filing a complaint with the Department of Children and Families to get custody of Haleigh's younger brother. Family members of Ronald Cummings say these claims are completely false. The D.C.F. says it is checking out the claims."

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/morther-of-missing-girl-accusi.html

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So which one is it?

This is for you... :smt058

Thanks, I for one will be offering her a little "feedback" tonight ::MonkeyWink::

Well according to Misty, she does not need an attorney.  According to Misty attorneys are for the guilty and according to Misty she is not guilty.

OMG.. You read my mind..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

IM.. you startin in with those secret nanners again??  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I just wanna know one thing,  and I will ask Mark Klaas
o this same question as soon as I find out how to contact him,             but why was he acting like what Chrystal was doing was taking the view off from Haleigh being missing and he didn't say that what Ron and Mistie did when they got married did the same thing, and again when Ron went and got the tatoo's it was the same thing,
  I like Mark Klaas I just dont understand why the shoe fits for one but not the other....................

   I will ask though,  wait and see!!!!!!

Abuse Investigation Sought In Haleigh Case
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18957202/detail.html#-

5-Year-Old Vanished From Home

POSTED: Wednesday, March 18, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. -- As investigators began their sixth week of trying to solve the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, the focus of the case shifted in light of some serious allegations.

The missing girl's 4-year-old brother, Junior, is the subject of an escalated custody fight that includes some claims about the children's father, Ronald Cummings. The mother of the children, Crystal Sheffield, is alleging abuse.

On Tuesday afternoon, Sheffield's attorney, Kim Picazio, said she met with the Department of Children and Families and urged them to investigate allegations of abuse at the Cummings' home, WJXT-TV reported.

She said officials would investigate some claims of possible physical abuse of Junior.

"I don’t believe that anyone knew exactly what was going on in that household until the spotlight was shown upon it. Why now? Well, we're still not going to let Junior just sit there in an unsafe environment just because Haleigh is missing," Picazio said. "Is she supposed to allow her other child, who has not been taken under the nose of a 17-year-old child, to be abducted or to be abused in that household? Is she supposed to sit by and watch when she know what's going in that household? She would be remiss. They would be calling her reckless. They would have the right to take action against her. So no, we are not going to wait. We're not going to allow Junior to sit in an unsafe household."

The attorney said her meeting with DCF was about serious claims of physical abuse and neglect involving Haleigh and Junior.

"When a parent beats a child until the child is bloodied, that is a crime in this county and where I'm from and in New York City. Just because this is a small town, and just because this is Putnam County, there are still laws here that need to be adhered to. It's legally and morally wrong, and he needs to be brought to justice," Picazio said.

Haleigh's great-grandmother, Annette Sykes, told Channel 4 any claims of abuse are lies.

"It's ridiculous. Ronald spanked his children just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end. I'm from old school, I believe in correcting a child if they don’t mind. That's the way Ronald is, and that's the way he was raised," Sykes said. "It enrages me. It really does. I've been around the children all of their lives, and they're happy and loved. Anybody that sees them -- you can't fool everybody."

She said on her grandson's behalf that the DCF investigation is welcomed because she said he has nothing to hide.

DCF said it was reviewing the allegations.

The sheriff's office said it was aware of the allegations of abuse, but it did not yet have the paperwork needed to begin an investigation.


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o.O Do What??? They are aware of the allegations, but don't have the paperwork for an investigation? Shoot how long does it take to investigate? Until the next child goes missing?

Gah. Thats how I hear of so many children falling through the cracks. DCF is just so overwhelmed with cases.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Oh yeah, want one?? I'll send you a super secret one about how many emails I have been getting from DV victims, really tantalizing stuff ::MonkeyHaHa::

OOPS~Sorry JG, your turn now ::MonkeyWink::

I will be emailing Miss Nancy.
She was way way too hard on Crystal.
I have to leave the keyboard for a while after that as I could say some things. And they be baaad.
 

*smiles* thanks. My current husband has treated me like a princess and has somewhat repaired the damage my ex did to me. People see me and don't think it happened to me because I am so cheerful. (anti depressants work wonders!) Its amazing what control freaks can do to a person. I was 15 when my exhusband (who was 21) drug me through hell (because I didn't feel I could get any better)

I think thats why alot of guys like Ron go for the younger girls, hook them in at first by making them feel special and give them acceptance, then tear them down once you have your claws in.

It seems he has done that with Crystal and Amber, and if you notice how Misty acts toward him, I would gander hes doing the same to Misty as well.

 ::MonkeyEek:: WTF???? Hello, if you are aware of it, FTLOG investigate .......or, does mamma Neves's input in the SO have some bearing on people being afraid to leave info on PAPER ::MonkeyConfused::

Well NG got a mouthful from me tonight.... ::MonkeyWink::

Thank You Island, I also sent her a -----nice----- little e-mail............

I totally agree with both of you.  I have been there and it does beat you down til you have no will to fight and/or make decisions, cause someone has always made the decisions for you.  The only way for me was to get out but it has continued to affected me.  I can see this in Crystal and it breaks my heart.  Justice for Haleigh!!

Thats what I hear, but Misty is only part of the equation.  Allegations are flying toward the whole family.

Jules and Blue Moon .. Monkey Hugs.... :smt058

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story...

SATSUMA, Fla.-- Sitting in the driveway of Misty Cummings former home is a van driven by her sister-in-law. The light blue vehicle doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, but it was something investigators thought important enough to impound and analyze at their crime lab for weeks.

The woman who drives that van is Misty Cummings sister-in-law, Chelsea Croslin. Misty was the last person to see Haleigh the night she was taken. Chelsea said the family got the van back just before the weekend.

“They put a lot of tape on it, and there was a lot of white powder on the windows, I guess that’s just to check things,” said Chelsea.

“We all started thinking about what could have happened that night…I realized the van was in a different spot.”

Chelsea Croslin said the night Haleigh disappeared, a family member was staying with them. She says around 4 a.m., when Misty called them to tell them Haleigh was missing, they went outside to the van to drive to Haleigh’s home. Chelsea said she immediately noticed the van was not in the same spot she left it.

“I know I don’t park like that, and I was the last to drive the van.”

After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared.

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

A scratch leading from just behind the driver’s side door handle to the back tire is very visible. Chelsea said that scratch was not there the last time she drove it.

“The scratch---it runs all the way down the van. That’s something someone would know if you’re riding against something and steadily scratching it.”

All police would say about the van being impounded is that it was taken to the FDLE’s crime lab in Jacksonville, analyzed, then released. They would not comment on any specifics of what was searched or if anything was found in the van.

Chelsea Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect.

“I’m not accusing anybody…it’s just me being a mom and believing what I believe and piecing things together. I almost feel like I might know who it is,” said Chelsea.

http://www.topix.com/city/satsuma-fl/2009/02/missing-5-year-old-florida-girl-likely-was-abducted-police-say/p692

IM I hope you realize I was joking.. the nanner stuff never bothers me at all....  ::MonkeyCool::

GREAT SHOW DANA!  Love the "nothing but Sax" segment!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Jersey.  Someone has to speakup for these women and I am very shocked that Nancy Grace took the route she did.  There are children involved here and EVERYONE in that family on both sides have not been cleared.  Someone has to speak for those kids.

I too mailed ng a short little thought. 

Thanks for the link Flamon, she got an ear full from me !

I hope everyone sends Nancy a message.. I told her to lighten up and chill out..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I sent her one too and told her how cute "the twins" were.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Minnie is the doggie in your avi a Jack Russell or rat terrier by any chance? He or she is a cute little multi

Me too,   after I told her she might want to consider how she would feel if the same thing happened to her, and then would she want some overdressed news person yelling at her and putting everything she said under suspition!!!!

Oh, of course I knew you were joking~by the way, I loved your post last night (the one with no apologies) ::MonkeyHaHa:: cracked me up!

thank you.  he is a toy fox terrier.  not quite as big as a russel or rat terrier. but they are all very similar. 

I beg to differ with Grandma. If there is any possibility the little boy has been abused they should investigate thoroughly and immediately! I'm sure DCF doing an investigation isn't going to pull the police and FBI from Haleigh's case. Law enforcement can continue to search for Haleigh while DCF does their own separate investigation.

I was thoroughly disgusted with Nancy Grace tonight. She behaved much differently when interviewing the father. I am surprised Crystal's lawyer subjected her to that shrew. She should have taken Crystal and walked off when Nancy's claws came out.

Well it looks like Nancy will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow. Better get up early Nancy. ::MonkeyTongue::

Ahh...never thought of that.  Thanks for explaining that.  (you know how things that don't make sense at the time just stick in your mind till you can file it away somewhere)

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Reading lil tidbits about Nancy Grace. And I ran across the reason why I quit watching her.


Grace is a nutcase, a wolf in sheeps clothing. She's no advocate for any one. I wouldn't want her in my corner defending me.

thanks for the site info flamom.. I added it to Caylee's thread, they seem to be worked up over there also. I hope you do not mind. I bet ng will know who the Monkeys are tonight!

Thanks for the link! I left a little note for Miss Nancy.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yea, I know how that goes,  Im glad to help......hope you are doing good!

Being on the west coast, I am just seeing NG, (an hour behind you guys,) and I quite agree. She is very rude, demanding, and not allowing them to tell their side of the story.  What is going on?? Maybe she was told she was too polite to Ron last night.  Unbelievable  bias displayed. I think she is attacking the wrong party.  Put Misty on and treat her like this! Maybe she would get some answers then.

I just sent her an email stating the very same thing, and how pathetic she looked p@ssy footing around with the Cummings family and going balls to the walls on the Sheffield side of the family.

Yes, NG will probably have bandages on her ears tomorrow at show time!!

Minnie, is she short haired? I ask because My last dog, Baby, was a rat terrier.. she was the size of a chihuahua and as smart & high strung as a whip. I had to put her to sleep (well, not me, the vet, but you knew that ) because she developed a rapid onset of glaucoma which made her eyes bulge, teary and VERY painful. I had her undergo surgery to relieve the intraocular pressure, but it didnt work. I declined when they suggested removing her eyes.. I miss her terribly almost 4 yrs later. she was my furbaby  ::MonkeyWink::
sorry OT send me a secret nanner  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Interesting. My husband looked up info on NG tonight! He came to the same conclusion, more or less.

That is exactly what I told ng tonight, and we have a missing family member.
She is a scorpio, her stinger controls her apparently. but, dang, she is heartless. I remember the Duckett case too. ANd that is the first time I had ever heard of ng.

Just an FYI

Misty's Old Myspace (never used):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=4...

Misty's current Myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=...

Crystal Sheffield (bio mom)
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield

Chad Griffis (bio mom's fiance)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=4...

Marie Griffis (Crystal's mom, Haleigh's maternal grandma)
http://www.myspace.com/luckylady1207

Johnny Sheffield (Crystal's dad, Haleigh's maternal grandpa)
www.myspace.com/sheffieldjohnny

Lindssy Croslin's (Married to Misty's brother Tommy)
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin

Chelsea Croslin's (Married to Misty's brother Timothy)
www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin

Timothy Croslin (Misty's brother)
www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

Joe Overstreet, Misty's cousin from Tennesee

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...

Dear Nancy...

Thank you Jersey girl!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Love it JG~that and your one of Crystal Cummings hair are the funniest I have ever seen!

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I wish someone would edumacate JVM and her guests.  AGAIN tonight someone said (the ex-trouper) maybe Haleigh went missing prior to Feb  9...or maybe even 2 weeks prior and JVM didn't correct him!!!!   If she can't keep up with a case...cover something else!!!

Nutcase,  that is obvious the way NG exploits and showcases her little ones on national tv.   You would think that she would know better.

Oh.my.God.

That picture is just too good!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

I am afraid that woman cannot keep up with the weather, let alone a sensitive missing person's case! She is just awful.

BTW, bluesy ...your order is ready in the other thread ;-)

 ::MonkeyWaa::

My email has been inundated lately by DV victims as I said last night and their desire to help in any way possible, this one gave me ger permission to use and maybe NG should read more of these stories from all our courageous Monkeys who have been DV victims themselves and ae far more compassionate:

I don't talk with people about this a lot, but I have lost custody of one of my children to her father, I have had to deal with not being able to talk to my DD and having to deal DD's step-monster from hell. My DD's father only wanted control over her and me. My DD is a pawn and they have controlled all contact, communication, recorded phone calls, I have had a restraining order on both of them, and haven't seen my DD in over a year now. I can see this same situation in Crystal...I am sorry but I do NOT agree with those that say Mother's don't lose their rights for nothing. I lost bc my children had medicaid and I didn't have a job and became preggo while going thru the custody battle. He had a job, insurance, was married (after his wife got preggo b4 they got married), and owned his own home. I had an attorney that I only was able to pay 1,000 to represent me and once the money was gone so was she and the last thing she said was give her to him, u can have more later :O who does that! So I can completely understand how Crystal felt/feels. I have lived it as well. It's a terrible place to be. He has been physically abusive to me and I believe our DD but any calls put into DFACS become 'retaliation claims' tho I have been investigated many times bc he has called, it got so bad they stopped sending 'investigators' and started sending 'interviewers' bc of his false reports/claims. Sorry I got off on a tangent, but I feel for this family and will help ANY WAY I CAN. I can't help financially but I will help with the resources I have ;) and with my time and effort :)

xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Did you all here the part where CS attorney said And a former girl friend of Ronald's after CS has come forward with abuse allegations!  Wonder if that is Amber and I wonder if it will come out.

You are funny!  Yes his name is Jubilee and he is short haired.  He weighs about 10 pounds but that is heavy for a fox terrier.  I had another one that died 9 years ago and I still cry. He weighed 5 pounds which is typical size.  They are very similar to rat terriers but their bodies are shorter in length and muzzle is more  pointed.  He is very smart and he almost talks to me.  I told him that if he would talk human we could get rich, but so far that hasn't happened.  I also have a wire hair fox terrier.  her hair is like a poodle, but she is double coated.  they are a mess but i could not live without them.  kids are grown and live away so now they are my life.

OMG Brazilliant !!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I am incredibly torn on this one, because I came from an abusive relationship.

1.  I fought tooth and stone from day one without my husband ever touching my kids just based on my own abuse I ensured there would be no abuse on kids. She claimed she was abused all of the time but since the kids were not hurt while she was around she did nothing. I don't understand that. I was in fear and my fear went right to my kids so I ensured my kids were protected as well.

I got a restraining order for the kids and myself....she says the courts chose him for custody after her claims of abuse, so...this. just isn't washing with what I experienced

2. I understand the psych with an abusive relationship because I lived it. They make you look crazy even when you are not so I understand IF abuse happened that she had the fear and the feeling of loss because of feeling like no one believes you because you have been made to sound insane...it is almost like the more you fight the more crazy you sound. But again....I fought it the whole time...until the reality was realized. With this case, what bothers me is none of this came up until now when lawyers are jumping to get their names in the paper. I am having a real hard time buying it as a person that came from it. Maybe my situation was different I don't know.

What I do know is I despise people that throw abuse out for custody cases when it isn't true, because it really hurts those where it is real. I just really feel this isn't real and another case which will then add to difficulties for those that are and THAT upsets me.

If it is proven true I will eat all I have said, because I want anyone who is trying to beat abuse to beat it. I just feel really strongly about this sort of accusation because like many things, the few can hurt the many. So I guess I am just more cautious than most.

Finally,  heres a video about that van that LE took...............this  is very interesting!!!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

IM Monkey Hugs to You.... :smt058

...sharing some sad news I just read on the Caylee thread:

Barbara Walters showed video of her lil dog saying I love you.. it wasamazing.. I have 2 cats that meow back to me..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Evening Monkeys....It has taken me a few hours to catch up and wanted to say Hi!

 I did as well.  I hope the hell someone reads it!

Good evening, darla.

I did tyhis exact same thing to my brothers truck window about two months ago when I was trying to turn around on a dirt road and backed into the woods on the side road, the scratches from the bushes was right about in the same place too!!!!!!

So, who is the family member.  Has anyone heard this before.  Is it the cousin?

That is interesting..  Who's van was this? Got alittle confused who it belong to ::MonkeyTongue::

Yep, its the cousin that she is talking about, but that still doesnt mean that Mistie didnt put those scratches there and is just playing dumb!!!!

Again, I have been told I could write many lifetime movies of the week with what I endured...it was that insane, and yes I too lost my kids at one point due to the insanity, but i fought it tooth and nail the whole time. My voice was heard. I guess maybe I was just different. When I came out of the what I call "control fog" I found strength and fought. I just don't understand this was YEARS and is only coming out when publicity seeking lawyers are around. WHY did she never seek this before??????? THAT is my question.

Hiding behind abuse doesn't wash with me because I lived it. If you are abused you do...well at least me...until it is set straight. You don't wait until a daughter disappears and lawyers show up in front of cameras. I don't know I could be wrong, but I just have trouble buying it.

Like you, I got out of an abusive marriage and made sure my kids were protected from their father. But I also understand that not everyone is alike. Some women lack the resources, support network, and strength to fight. I have worked with other abused women that have been beaten down starting in childhood and they just lack the inner strength and confidence to fight these bastards. It doesn't mean I am a better person or a better mother than them. It often just means they have been broken by life, and I fortunately,  still had some fight left in me.

OT what kind of dog does she have.  I have heard of the little terriers talking or miming.

Thanks JG~But they deserve ALL the credit as do all the other monkeys who have been victims, I was just shocked at my inbox and how many reached out..........it truly breaks my heart for what all DV victims have to endure ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought at first it may be Murt   ::MonkeyHaHa::.. then I watched the video.. very interesting

Pretty sure they are referring to cousin Joe. 

I know what you mean.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Misty said the blanket was in the van that THEY took!  She knows who took the van...

I like the way the newlady at the beginning of this video said ....the police is fed up with the teenage now step Mom because she cant get her story straight!!!

Maybe thats what Fibsty ment by blanket in van....Hmmmmm ::MonkeyEek::

I think at this point when Mistie says THEY took , she is referring to LE.. taking it for evidence!!

But, wasn't that earlier in the day.  It sounds to me that Chelsea is saying the van was moved in the night after they had gotten home.  She said it wasn't parked the same way she parked it.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: Me too~it sounded like on the video that it was Misty's....and she admitted that the blanket WAS in the van, so she had to know that Haleigh was in the van either with or scarier without her ::MonkeyTongue::

I never thought of that....I bet your right!

Brandi...you are really talented.  Thank you so much...wasn't expecting you to "dress" me so quickly.

Wish they would give Mike Brooks a chance..he seems to be able to "keep up w/the facts much better than JVM...and makes more sense.

Doing well HiHo...thanks for asking.  Hope you and yours are doing good too.

PS  Have you given up firecrackers?

A Havanese dog named Cha-Cha  never heard of a havanese

Yes, I think so too. Have always thought this since they said LE took it early on in the investigation.

I agree and by no means do I mean to say I am any better. I do believe I even said maybe just different. I had no support system it was honestly me against the world. Like I said I could have written many lifetime movies. Just I guess the inner strength we sometimes find is different. I also must say I work with women going through this so I do have insight beyond just my own experiences. I guess that is why I still question it. Everyone I know even when they are facing all roadblocks are constantly reaching out for solutions regardless of their resources. I don't see that she ever did until now when cameras are on the situation.

And again, I also know that so many false accusations of abuse when kids are involved have made it difficult for those where the abuse really does happen because many judges are thinking it is just a custody tactic...that I hate when I even suspect it might be false.

I just deep down with my own experience and the ones I have worked with...this one just doesn't feel right. I could be wrong because each case is so unique.

What I have never understood from the start it was reported that the cousin "Joe" from Tennessee had gone back to Tennessee.  Is this the same cousin we are talking about now?  And if so, I heard he drove a small red truck.  If this is true why did he borrow the van?  Do I have two separate stories and people mixed up?

I hope something breaks soon.. I wonder who had the van how they got the keys?.... ::MonkeyTongue::

   I'm not getting it either. Is it Misty's van or the SIL's?

i hope they just find this baby and i hope she is alive and well taken care of.I want to know where i can find the pictures of haleigh and jr that the mom took where they have marks on them.U did see nacey change her tune when they said they did have pictures of the abuse i hope they just keep jr safe now

I don't have the brain cells tonight to find the link...but IIRC Misty told about the blanket in the van thing before LE took the van.When she was telling about covering Haleigh with a sheet, so she could wash her blanket...then said she took the blanket off the window because her blanket was in the van they took. IIRC Joe the couisin left on Monday Morning to go back to Tenn.

No one and the same, and I think he might have just like took it without someone knowing he did and then brought it back.......after watching this video I am now thinking that Mistie was very much out of it and Joe knew this and after she passed out or something he took this van somewhere for some reason and tried to put it right back where he got it from, and the house keys would have probably been on the same key ring as the van keys were........makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But who took the van with the blanket in it- if she had to wash the blanket from the window, so it would make you think this happened before LE took the van.. ::MonkeyTongue::

o i 2 emailed NG  ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes, she did say that in that early blanket story that had everyone so confused. I wonder whether or not Joe is being questioned in TN? I have a source who has emailed me and lives in the same town as Joe's family.....she is digging up info now.

Darla, I think when Mistie said the van they took it was after LE had already been to the house and took it away probably that same night, and cousin Joe might have lead them to believe he left that morning, but who's to say he didnt come back....

but, the van was not at Ron's it was at Chelsea's right?

   Well   IF  any of this pans out to be true, wonder how powder keg RC will be feeling about being married to the girl that whose cousin stole his child ?   I don't think I could wake up every morning looking at the person whose whacked out relative did this.

that's just me though..............

Oh   no  im sorry now I remember, she said that was why she had to wash the blankets, oh heck, then who did take this van that same afternoon, unless it was the girl they are talking to since Misty asked her if she put those scratches on it!

In the video Chelsea says it was a relative staying at their home that night.

But HH....she worded it to say....on the 9th when she put HL to bed at 8 pm she noticed her blanket smelled like pee, so she was going to wash it. Then she said she had to get the blanket off the window b/c the blanket she used was in the van they took. Which.... if it happened that way then the van was gone when she put HL to bed.

Then I wanna know what relative was at Chelsia's home that night and how far Chesias house is from Ronalds and if this is in fact Misties van, did the van keys have the house keys on it to!!!!!

the van was at chelsea's per the video.  she is the one who noticed it was not parked the same way that she had parked it.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238

RONALD CHATTED W/COBRA

I want to know those answers too.  I have always suspected the guy from Tennessee.  He is a logical suspect I think.  Wasn't he a sex offender?  And I think the LE were awfully quick to say he had been cleared.

IIRC, one of Misty's brothers lives walking distance thru Ron's backyard..........IS this Misty's van? If so, how is it she never mentioned her van, like my van had scrathces on it and was parked oddly????? D@mn, I'm even more confused if that's possible ::MonkeyConfused::

You are not alone in your confusion. ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused::

here is the video where Misty talks about the blanket.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

nanners Jules

Maybe its really Misties mothers van, you know how young girls refer to things as mine all the time, I wonder if we can find out what her mother drives,   something is up with this van thing!

I have this horrible feeling that Haleigh will be found wrapped in that missing blanket

From Art's interview w/misty - she drives?  I had heard she was driving from the local guy on ws.

Did I drive her to school? I haven’t driven her to school in a while, actually. Her Daddy (Ronald Cummings) has been driving her to school lately.

When he’s had a long night working, or doesn’t want to get up, then I’ll drive her to school. Along with my nephew.

Me too Darla, me too...............and I wonder if Mistie was aware that whoever had this Van did in fact have it, you know like she said, just go on over there and get it we will take it back later on or something like that.....Mistie is looking more suspitous to me then ever...

To me it sounds like it is Misty's van that her brother and sIL borrowed, so yeah, seems like it would have the keys to house and all on the ring.    It's soooooooooooo confusing

Misty does not have a drivers license so she now admits she broke the law by driving,

Hi Im a new monkey been lurking for 2 yrs, decided to try and post wish me luck.

Goodnight My Monkey friends.. sweet dreams  :2waver: 

http://www.cbs47.com/content/t opstories/story/New-Details-Ab out-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k 5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx
SATSUMA, Fla.-- Sitting in the driveway of Misty Cummings former home is a van driven by her sister-in-law. The light blue vehicle doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, but it was something investigators thought important enough to impound and analyze at their crime lab for weeks.
The woman who drives that van is Misty Cummings sister-in-law, Chelsea Croslin. Misty was the last person to see Haleigh the night she was taken. Chelsea said the family got the van back just before the weekend.
“They put a lot of tape on it, and there was a lot of white powder on the windows, I guess that’s just to check things,” said Chelsea.
“We all started thinking about what could have happened that night…I realized the van was in a different spot.”
Chelsea Croslin said the night Haleigh disappeared, a family member was staying with them. She says around 4 a.m., when Misty called them to tell them Haleigh was missing, they went outside to the van to drive to Haleigh’s home. Chelsea said she immediately noticed the van was not in the same spot she left it.
“I know I don’t park like that, and I was the last to drive the van.”
After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared.
“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.
A scratch leading from just behind the driver’s side door handle to the back tire is very visible. Chelsea said that scratch was not there the last time she drove it.
“The scratch---it runs all the way down the van. That’s something someone would know if you’re riding against something and steadily scratching it.”
All police would say about the van being impounded is that it was taken to the FDLE’s crime lab in Jacksonville, analyzed, then released. They would not comment on any specifics of what was searched or if anything was found in the van.
Chelsea Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect.
“I’m not accusing anybody…it’s just me being a mom and believing what I believe and piecing things together. I almost feel like I might know who it is,” said Chelsea.

Sleep well. :smt015

sweet dreams to you too Flamom!!

Hello new poster and good luck!  The local guy on websleuths said she would drive around the neighborhood to the bus stop to drop off/pick up children and drive over to the sisters or other families houses.  So yeah driving w/out a license I guess.  Although I'm not sure about this license part.  Strange laws in florida for teens.

Goodnight Flamon!

If you drop out of school here in Florida you cannot get a drivers license until you are 18, so no Mistie doesnt have one, and that is probably the reason the SIL is driving it, its probably in her brothers name...

A van is not the typical car for a wild and woolly teenager.  I wonder if maybe it was a family car.

Far more rigid in florida than in TN, in TN you had to have your permit for 6 months before you get a license and in Florida unless you are 18, you have to drive on a permit for a full year  before getting your full license.

Emailed NG

 

Misty said on art harris that sometimes she drives Haleigh to school

night Flamom ~ I'm headed to the bunkey myself..night all.

Hello!  When the laws where posted for florida teens it listed some exceptions to the rule do you know what they are?  I'm wondering what they do allow for those that drop out and get married.  Also I wonder if she had a potential Michigan connection and got a license there?  IDK just wondering as she seems to have been pretty bold w/her driving.  The parks I am familiar w/everyone has golf carts and drives those in the park.

http://www.highschooldriver.com/driving-law/florida-truancy.shtml

here is the link telling you that if you live in Florida and drop out of school.....then no license for u until age 18...

Goodnight Monkeys !!Sweet Dreams! I can't stay awake any longer.

Goodnight Darla.............sleep tight!

Questions about van
connected to Haleigh’s
disappearance

Last Edited: Wednesday, 18 Mar 2009, 6:18 PM EDT
Created On: Wednesday, 18 Mar 2009, 6:08 PM EDT

- Haleigh Cummings vanished 5 weeks ago and cops are fed up with her new teenage stepmother who can't seem to give police a straight answer. And now concerns about a van linked to this mysterious case. Matt Saffer reports.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions

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SATSUMA, Fla.-- Sitting in the driveway of Misty Cummings former home is a van driven by her sister-in-law. The light blue vehicle doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, but it was something investigators thought important enough to impound and analyze at their crime lab for weeks.

The woman who drives that van is Misty Cummings sister-in-law, Chelsea Croslin. Misty was the last person to see Haleigh the night she was taken. Chelsea said the family got the van back just before the weekend.

“They put a lot of tape on it, and there was a lot of white powder on the windows, I guess that’s just to check things,” said Chelsea.

“We all started thinking about what could have happened that night…I realized the van was in a different spot.”

Chelsea Croslin said the night Haleigh disappeared, a family member was staying with them. She says around 4 a.m., when Misty called them to tell them Haleigh was missing, they went outside to the van to drive to Haleigh’s home. Chelsea said she immediately noticed the van was not in the same spot she left it.

“I know I don’t park like that, and I was the last to drive the van.”

After a few hours, another sign the van was tampered with appeared.

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

A scratch leading from just behind the driver’s side door handle to the back tire is very visible. Chelsea said that scratch was not there the last time she drove it.

“The scratch---it runs all the way down the van. That’s something someone would know if you’re riding against something and steadily scratching it.”

All police would say about the van being impounded is that it was taken to the FDLE’s crime lab in Jacksonville, analyzed, then released. They would not comment on any specifics of what was searched or if anything was found in the van.

Chelsea Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect.

“I’m not accusing anybody…it’s just me being a mom and believing what I believe and piecing things together. I almost feel like I might know who it is,” said Chelsea.

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Thank you for the welcome, IM ashamed to say I have been trying for a week to figure out how to upload my avatar.

I will see my computer tech (grandson) this weekend so I will get him to help me.

I am a virgin poster so bare with me....but ya'll have so much fun here I just had to join in.

I saw this when it was originally posted.  But on the Florida Dept of Highway and motor vehicle safety it states nothing about this school rule.  Weird I tell you, I'm still looking into it, I just can't believe there is no exceptions to this rule.  In fact it says this on teens;  http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/teendriv.html

Privileges and Responsibilities
Once teens obtain an Operator’s License their driving privileges are based on their age.

16 years old


Driving allowed between 6 a.m. and 11 p.m.

All other times must be accompanied by a licensed driver at least 21 years old occupying the closest seat to the right of the driver, or be traveling to or from work.
17 years old

Driving allowed between 5 a.m. and 1 a.m.

All other times must be accompanied by a licensed driver at least 21 years old occupying the closest seat to the right of the driver, or be traveling to or from work.
18 years old

Driving allowed at all hours of the day without a licensed passenger requirement.

Just seeing this.....hysterical!!  good job jerseygirl!

Trying to figure out why there is a scroll bar, probably just a glitch.

Me too

I have a 15 year old daughter and we just now are going through the entire driving license thing and we have just within the past month visited the DOV abd so when I say that they cnt get a drivers license until they are 18 if they drop out of school the reason I say this is because that is one of my threats I use on my daughter and her friends, so I have been through it all as far as this subjest goes!

Mee 3......I hate it!!!

That link is way of, my daughter just got her permit in October when she was almost 17 and she has to have someone with her that is at least 20 for a ful yr....YIKES!

OT
Thank you for your posts. I peeked in briefly and just wanted to say, I was with my ex from the time I was 17,he was 21. He was sweet at first but after we got married,well,anyway.. I was choked to unconsciousness, I was pushed,punched,hit,kicked and verbally abused as well. I lost a baby at 6 months and was even abused verbally physically thru that. I ultimately had a mini stroke at the age of 32 due to all the trauma to my head. I came from an abusive home as well so guess when he said it was my fault,I believed it. I am strong but even a strong person can be taken down by mere words from someone they see as a friend. I have been beaten down my entire life and was glad I found somewhere I could talk to people and help the missing. I am broken.. but I will mend.. Just want to thank you for helping other abuse victims. Good night monkeys.

I know that is how it is looking, but lordy I hope not! At this rate children are going to be an endangered species in this state.

Chelsea Croslin's (Married to Misty's brother Timothy) www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin. Timothy Croslin (Misty's brother) www.myspace.com/tim_tim1

OMG I am sick... ::MonkeyWaa::

ok and so here is another question....as if we need anymore.......was that blanket still in the van when LE took it......gosh we need answers like yesterday!

 Lots Monkey Hugs to You....  :smt058

Just thinking out Loud... I wonder if they knew the mileage on the van before it was taken.....

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I doubt that very seriously, I dont know it on mine either........lololol

Kayla- Misty's cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=86604390

Joe - Misty's Cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=380818970

Kristy - Misty's Cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=149499351

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=292899562

Cousin Charlie O.,Brandon's brother

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=418190888

Cousin Josh O.,Brandon's brother

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=269248876

Cousin Brandon O.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=47818812

Cousin travis O.,Brandon's brother

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=438615018

Cousin Joe O.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=86604390

Cousin Kayla,Joe's sister

Tommy- Misty's Brother
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=81898882

Monica- Misty's Cousin (Private)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=86417868

Jeff- Misty's Cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=100325897

"Spurlock" I believe real name is William Keith- Misty's Cousin
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=178057214

Vicki- Misty's Aunt
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=213847184

 I always check minen - I have teenagers @ home.... ::MonkeyTongue::

I betcha Ronald would know the mileage, He seems to be the controlling type to check the mileage and feel the hood of the engine (to see if it was still warm) when he got home to see if Misty may have been out while he was working.

I do too, but I also have a belt with her name on it and she doesnt want to ride as much as she wants to be able to sit down the next day at school!!!  lol

I wonder if Fibsty left the home and had her cousin watch the children.... ::MonkeyTongue::

But the van was at the SIL's house so thats out!!!

LOL - I got to get one of them... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't even figure out who owns the van, let alone figure out the blanket stories.

I think she would have been whereever the cousin was, she wanted to party with him one last time before he left Im sure......

Doesn't Chelsea live off of Tyler.... ::MonkeyTongue::

This does not look good... ::MonkeyNoNo::

well  you are trulie a monkey now, confused, and abused by this entire case,,,,

I dont know, I need to find out, I know it was within walking distance.......

:SO Donald Sapp-Griffis connection??
by butterfly 1 Week, 4 Days ago
Yes I think there is a connection I totally think that Donald Sapps is involved, as well they have not excluded him or even mentioned him much in the news. From what I have seen from several websites I think he is number one on LE. He has to much shaddyness in his background. What I want to know is what the connection is between the two Griffis families. I am trying to see if I can link the two. If you can find the connection please post it... thanks.
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Re:SO Donald Sapp-Griffis connection??
by butterfly 1 Week, 4 Days ago
okay Chels... this is what I have found, I am copying and pasting from my other furom post sorry it is so long.

Okay I got this from Scared Monkeys website. Here is the link. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4523.msg678560#msg678560



Here is what the comment says, I bolded the parts that I feel is important:

HALEIGH's FAMILY on her mother's side:

mother - Crystal Diane Sheffield
Crystals mother - Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie)
Crystals father - Johnny Marcus Sheffield
Crystals siblings - Sarah Lavon Sheffield, Marcus Sheffield, Savannah Sheffield
Crystals step-mother - Connie Sheffield
Crystals step-father - Bruce A. Griffis
Crystals uncle - Andrew Sheffield
Crystals aunts - Katrina Belcher, Dana
Crystals children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr, Chloe (Sheffield? Griffis?)
Crystals boyfriend/fiance - Chad Griffis
Maries father - Virgil Johns Jr
Maries step-mother - Marilyn C. Brannen Johns

Other known relatives - Deborah Lynn Griffis, Jill Griffis, Victor Griffis, Ruby Johns, Virgil Johns Jr

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Kyle S. Johns Jr, Kyle S. Johns Sr, Virgil Johns (III ?), Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp



HALEIGH's FAMILY on her father's side:

father - Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father - Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother - Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling - Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children - Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma - Annette Sykes (Sikes?)

Known relatives, not sure if from mother's or father's side - Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett

Possibly related in some way - Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,



HALEIGH's father's girlfriend's family:

girlfriend - Misty Jeanette Croslin
Mistys father - Hank Thomas Croslin Sr
Mistys mother - Lisa Croslin
Mistys siblings: Hank Thomas Croslin Jr (aka Tommy), Timothy A. Croslin (aka Timmy)
Mistys sister-in-laws - Lindsy Kate Collins Croslin (married to Tommy), Chelsea Croslin (married to Timmy)
Mistys nephews and niece by Tommy and Lindsy - Austin, Dustin and Layla Croslin
Mistys cousins - Jeff Perry, Marie Boyles Perry, Spurlock

Other known relatives - Adam Troy Croslin, Chester Leon Croslin, June Marie Croslin, Michael Croslin,

Possibly related in some way - Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, James Dean Crosslin, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp




So what I am gathering is that Crystal Shefield as well is Misty Croslin both have family members related to Donald Sapp as well as Jeffrey Griffis who was killed????? Does that sound right to you guys?

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