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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:20:28 PM
You all know the rules

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/InHonorofNatalee.jpg)

THERE IS TO BE NO POSTING OF ADDRESSES OR DISCUSSION OF CONTACTING ANY WITNESSES IN THIS CASE.  ANY CONCERNS WE MAY HAVE REGARDING THE WITNESSES RELOCATING TO THE UNITED STATES WILL BE SENT TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:27:15 PM
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:28:19 PM
KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.

oh i dont know where he is


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 10:30:50 PM
I think KBM is in Aruba. From the time zone thingie.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.

oh i dont know where he is


Do you have any idea if any folks in aruba are blaming JVDS and family for the tourist decline?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:31:35 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?


Okay, dumb old lady here, sorry, I did not understand this answer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I think KBM is in Aruba. From the time zone thingie.

what does it really matter where i am/?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:31:49 PM
kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?


Okay, dumb old lady here, sorry, I did not understand this answer.


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 10:32:11 PM
KBM,
This past weeK Joran changed the name of his MySpace account to JORAN.ANGRY! and locked it.   :shock: Do you know what he is so angry about?  I wonder if it is because Peter de Vries is doing the program about Natalee.

Do you know why he is angry?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 10:32:58 PM
Yes, who is to balme for the decline in tourism ?
Beth ?
Joran van der Sloot ?
Kalpoe brothers ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: igsigs on October 24, 2006, 10:33:26 PM
KBM   -    WELCOME!

Can i ask?  Have you followed the case closely?  From what news sources do you get your information?  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.

oh i dont know where he is


Do you have any idea if any folks in aruba are blaming JVDS and family for the tourist decline?

well i dont think there mad at jvds...but more that usa is boycutting aruba because thats not the solution i think to solve this problem


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:33:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?


Okay, dumb old lady here, sorry, I did not understand this answer.


 :lol:


Well, I didn't.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Carnut"
KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are


Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.

oh i dont know where he is


Do you have any idea if any folks in aruba are blaming JVDS and family for the tourist decline?

well i dont think there mad at jvds...but more that usa is boycutting aruba because thats not the solution i think to solve this problem


Sure do wonder how that's ever gonna get resolved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
What could be the solution then ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?

i dont think so


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:35:20 PM
KBM
Please tell me who you think may have disappeared Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:35:28 PM
What do you think the solution is to solve this problem?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
This past weeK Joran changed the name of his MySpace account to JORAN.ANGRY! and locked it.   :shock: Do you know what he is so angry about?  I wonder if it is because Peter de Vries is doing the program about Natalee.

Do you know why he is angry?

.

no


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:36:11 PM
KBM - there is no formal boycott of Aruba.  The problem is that people are seeing how the Natalee Holloway case has been mishandled by ALE and the government in Aruba.  When they see that they don't want to go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?

i dont think so


Why don't you think so?  What do you believe happened?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:36:40 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
KBM   -    WELCOME!

Can i ask?  Have you followed the case closely?  From what news sources do you get your information?  TIA

not that close that yall did


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 24, 2006, 10:37:13 PM
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?

i dont think so


If JVDS did happen to kill Nat, do you think PVDS had to power to keep it covered up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
What could be the solution then ?

i dont know im not a cop or something
but holland is also now investigating it :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 24, 2006, 10:38:17 PM
Who is kawish/kbm other than a "new" poster who buys into the Joran is not guilty plug?  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 10:38:48 PM
We know that people are the same everywhere. No one wanted to hurt the ordinary people of Aruba who just work for a living and want to make a better life for their families, but when they released Joran and Deepak and Satish, the Holloway family felt they had no choice. Sort of to bring attention to what had happened and the fact that they could not get an answer / solution from the ALE and government of Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:39:08 PM
Did you realize that you were being discussed so often, not only in this forum, but many others and being connected with this case so much?  I have been curious is you were involved at all and now maybe we can put that theory to rest. You were just watching and got your name mentioned and it took off from there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 24, 2006, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?

i dont think so


Did you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Who is kawish/kbm other than a "new" poster who buys into the Joran is not guilty plug?  :roll:


Well, anyone who claims to be somewhat close to the source is good to talk to.

As long as we can all be reasonable about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:40:52 PM
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:41:14 PM
KBM
Do you know Freddy?  Is he still in Aruba? Sorry, I am known for my incessant questions.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


Well now, PVDS did file a damage lawsuit against the ALE that is still pending a decision in his favor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 24, 2006, 10:41:32 PM
KBM:    Are you friends with Lorenzo and Max?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something

KBM - but what if Natalee died while in the presence of Joran.  Would he panic and lie?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 10:41:49 PM
Did you ever hang out with Joran at the clubs ?
or were you friends with Satish / Deeapk more ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Did you realize that you were being discussed so often, not only in this forum, but many others and being connected with this case so much?  I have been curious is you were involved at all and now maybe we can put that theory to rest. You were just watching and got your name mentioned and it took off from there.

well i didnt know people were talking on other forums about me
i only read this forum


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


We've talked about Joran's bad temper and his heavy drinking.  We wondered if he killed Natalee because she didn't want him to rape her.  Do you think this is possible?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: NM on October 24, 2006, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Did you realize that you were being discussed so often, not only in this forum, but many others and being connected with this case so much?  I have been curious is you were involved at all and now maybe we can put that theory to rest. You were just watching and got your name mentioned and it took off from there.

well i didnt know people were talking on other forums about me
i only read this forum

I like your choice in forums :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:42:46 PM
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

ask him


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

ask him


I'd like to ask him, but since he's not here and you are, I asked you.  After all, your a friend of his and might know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

ask him


We would if we could get him near a lie detector.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
KBM:    Are you friends with Lorenzo and Max?

who :? i dont think so


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

ask him


He won't talk to us.   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 24, 2006, 10:44:54 PM
Did Joran Kill Natalee?

kbm writes: "why would he?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something."

You mean there had to be a "benefit" to kill?

It was joran at the Mill Resort w/ Loco Stefy naked in bed.  Why did he take the pictures of her -- she must be embarassed.  

Why do these boys bring girls to hotels for group sex?

I don't see the "benefit."

Do you?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?


That was MY question...I wanted to ask that one.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Hotshot on October 24, 2006, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?
 No-one knows the name...LOL.  can you show him a picture of the house Klaas?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 24, 2006, 10:46:28 PM
i dont hang around liars

i dont trust liars

i dont like liars

they skkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeere me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


We've talked about Joran's bad temper and his heavy drinking.  We wondered if he killed Natalee because she didn't want him to rape her.  Do you think this is possible?

it is possible
but i dont think thats what happened

btw in 5min im going
ill online 2morrow i think


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:47:51 PM
KBM
Do they really have those Rave type parties in Aruba?  I had never heard of them before all this happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


We've talked about Joran's bad temper and his heavy drinking.  We wondered if he killed Natalee because she didn't want him to rape her.  Do you think this is possible?

it is possible
but i dont think thats what happened

btw in 5min im going
ill online 2morrow i think


Heh, thanks a bunch for showing up, it's been fun.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 24, 2006, 10:47:54 PM
i think joran reads here  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:48:22 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something


We've talked about Joran's bad temper and his heavy drinking.  We wondered if he killed Natalee because she didn't want him to rape her.  Do you think this is possible?

it is possible
but i dont think thats what happened

btw in 5min im going
ill online 2morrow i think


Do you think she died accidentally while she was with Joran?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:49:17 PM
KBM - This is Lorenzo's home.  Have you ever been to it or seen it?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/LorenzoshouseII.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:49:20 PM
by the way, kbm, what are you studying?  What is your major at college?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

no0o0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 10:49:48 PM
.
Thank you KBM for your patience with us and for answering so many questions.  We will try not to be so curious when you return.

 :D
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

no0o0

Interresting that nobody knows Lorenzo now but in the beginning of the case many Arubans knew exactly who he was  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:51:27 PM
And I'm sure many Arubans have seen that big, fine house!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: igsigs on October 24, 2006, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

no0o0

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: NM on October 24, 2006, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

no0o0

Interresting that nobody knows Lorenzo now but in the beginning of the case many Arubans knew exactly who he was  :wink:

almost like a big, collective WHOOPS
hey Klaas!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Thank you KBM for your patience with us and for answering so many questions.  We will try not to be so curious when you return.

 :D
.

allright
i also want this case solved.



uhm im in high school...mainly studying economics, and management&organisation


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

no0o0

Interresting that nobody knows Lorenzo now but in the beginning of the case many Arubans knew exactly who he was  :wink:


Shoulda showed him the Van pic.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 24, 2006, 10:52:51 PM
kbm, thank you for taking the time to talk to us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:53:03 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Thank you KBM for your patience with us and for answering so many questions.  We will try not to be so curious when you return.

 :D
.

allright
i also want this case solved.



uhm im in high school...mainly studying economics, and management&organisation


Good luck with your studies.  Will you join your family's business when you get out of school?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 24, 2006, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
kbm, thank you for taking the time to talk to us.

youre welcome

(this is my last post for today,byebye):p


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 24, 2006, 10:53:48 PM
If Hiran lives bewteen the M Posner house & he Louise Posner house, where are the houses located?  In Malmok in the Tara fel Sol subdivision like where the Gottenbose house is?

What time of day or night did Hiram see Natalee and how many times?  What day was the last day that he saw her?

What proof is there that this is the truth?

TIA for answereing these questions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:54:12 PM
KBM - this is Lorenzo's van, have you seen it around.  Kindof hard to miss don't you think?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Lorenzosvan-fullshot.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 24, 2006, 10:54:39 PM
kbm:  You are very handsome.  Do you and Guido Wever model for the same agency?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:55:20 PM
KBM - thanks for answering so many questions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 24, 2006, 10:55:41 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Thank you KBM for your patience with us and for answering so many questions.  We will try not to be so curious when you return.

 :D
.

allright
i also want this case solved.



uhm im in high school...mainly studying economics, and management&organisation


Well...then this topic should fit right into a research paper regarding economics and mismanagement.  Thanks for spending time here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 10:56:01 PM
I think KBM is gone for the night. He was a nice guy, wasn't he?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 10:57:10 PM
He definately passes the typing and responding to questions exam  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 10:58:01 PM
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Yes, he was but some how we also lost Florida and that is the one who knows Hiram.

Florida, are you still here?

I am glad you have told the Dutch investigators what Hiram saw.  Did you also tell Peter de Vries?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 10:59:03 PM
Yes, he seems like a very nice young man.  I wish him good luck.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:00:13 PM
I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:


Hiram is the one who saw Natalee next door at either Michael or Israel Posner's house, through the window.

 :D Pay attention, Lalas!.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 11:02:12 PM
http://i11.tinypic.com/48oaoe8.jpg
Israel's address in Malmokweg
Deepak had Kawish as a ' friend" on the tickle site ages ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 24, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:


Hiram is the one who saw Natalee next door at either Michael or Israel Posner's house, through the window.

 :D Pay attention, Lalas!.

 :wink:


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:


Florida says Hiram said he saw out of his window that Nat was in Posners house.

Florida couched it in terms that Nat was still alive after the breach and was at Posners house alive.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:


Hiram is the one who saw Natalee next door at either Michael or Israel Posner's house, through the window.

 :D Pay attention, Lalas!.

 :wink:


Sorry! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:04:11 PM
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Carnut,
I don't think she ever said alive did she?  Just saw her.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Carnut,
I don't think she ever said alive did she?  Just saw her.

.


That's what I wanted to know!! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Carnut,
I don't think she ever said alive did she?  Just saw her.

.


Yes, she said alive or 'could still be alive' in her posts.

I'm the one who implied dead or body.

I still don't believe the beach story, but I could go with body disposal by Posner.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:06:11 PM
.
Ever feel like:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thbunny.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mishy on October 24, 2006, 11:06:29 PM
where can I find a picture of this young Kawish? or KBM?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:06:47 PM
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:07:54 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
where can I find a picture of this young Kawish? or KBM?

He's in this thread - scroll down:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=203


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


Gosh, you'd think they would close the drapes!   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 24, 2006, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)

I thought that's what Florida said??  right?  Not KBM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:09:44 PM
Here's Florida's post implying Nat still alive:

Florida's post (http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=460&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=867)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 24, 2006, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


What he/she said

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Hiram ....not me...claimed to have seen Natalee in the days since she disappeared in the neighbor's window....To the left of Hiram is Louis Posner & the right Michael Posner..................................................


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 24, 2006, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)

I thought that's what Florida said??  right?  Not KBM.


correct, i think :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:12:21 PM
So Florida heard that someone by the name of Hiram saw Natalee in one of the Posners homes (in the window) after the morning of May 30th?  Who is Hiram?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:12:23 PM
Anyhow what Hiram saw is still just one of the bloomers from aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 24, 2006, 11:13:20 PM
i smell a BIG FAT RAT  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
So Florida heard that someone by the name of Hiram saw Natalee in one of the Posners homes (in the window) after the morning of May 30th?  Who is Hiram?


The one who saw Natalee through the window.  KBM also wanted to know who Hiram was so he doesn't know either.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mishy on October 24, 2006, 11:13:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mishy"
where can I find a picture of this young Kawish? or KBM?

He's in this thread - scroll down:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=203


Thanks, yes, I remember this pic...Just trying to put a face with the name...Looks older than HS student...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 24, 2006, 11:13:51 PM
OT

While going back to Sander's myspace (to look for Hiram), he had a friend marcus...when going to marcus's site...it said marcus devries. How weird is that...wonder if he's related to Peter??

Which link is the one with all the tickle sites (most don't work)??  Think maybe related to witnesses??  Can't find it.  Know I've seen Hiram somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:13:53 PM
Is this the Hiram we are talking about?  The male model?

http://portfolios.models.com/-47053/index.cfm?display=image&image=211223


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:14:49 PM
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Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 24, 2006, 11:16:50 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

.


Maybe one of the croupiers was walking the dog????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 11:22:05 PM
With the " excitement". what i had posted got ignored. Arubaanse has been in contact with someone from the DeVries show. She has directed him / them to this site.
Hiram ... I can't say anything .. smirking here
And Anna, is that rodent wearing a pancake on its head or do I just need to eat a pancake.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:23:17 PM
Another male model?  Well if this is him, it is always good to have a face to put to a name.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T100_image7540.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Mere on October 24, 2006, 11:23:56 PM
klaas....have we talked about Hiram before?

Friends...."Hiram" could have seen any blonde from a distance..... :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

.


Maybe one of the croupiers was walking the dog????


Maybe,  Might operate a dog walking and body disposal business on the side.   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 24, 2006, 11:26:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

.


Louis is the Aloe King, and Israel is the good Doctor, right?  Where do Louis * Michael live?

And how and why would J2k take her to the Posner house?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
klaas....have we talked about Hiram before?

Friends...."Hiram" could have seen any blonde from a distance..... :?


No we haven't talked about Hiram before:

Hiram Vrolijk's tickle site:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=dCDA9.MSEDrmpo2q

Hiram and Aline at the VIP:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/HiramandAlineViP.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:29:13 PM
Hiram is on the right in this photo.  This is from the Venezuela trip:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Hiramontheright.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:29:53 PM
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KatGram I was just feeling a little lost and confused and thought the pancake fit in as well as anything else at the moment.

DeVries is a very common name in the Dutch although it sounds French.  Might be Hugeunot descendants.  

See the vampire blood on Hiram's mouth?  I still contend this is what Guido's lawyer was saying when he said his client wore make up.  Otherwise why would he mention the make up if it had nothing to do with the case?  He was saying that is what the scratches were.

In my most humble of opinions only, that is.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:30:22 PM
So which Hiram?  I am still sooooo confused.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:33:16 PM
Hiram is one of Joran's friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So which Hiram?  I am still sooooo confused.  :roll:



They are all the same Hiram.  The wonders of modern make up.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So which Hiram?  I am still sooooo confused.  :roll:



They are all the same Hiram.  The wonders of modern make up.

.



Good heavens!!!!!! I never would've guessed.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 24, 2006, 11:34:31 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So which Hiram?  I am still sooooo confused.  :roll:


Both Hiram links I posted are the same person.  Hiram Vrolijk.  He is a friend of Joran's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 24, 2006, 11:35:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hiram is on the right in this photo.  This is from the Venezuela trip:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Hiramontheright.jpg)


Oh, yes! Hiram, another cosmetics wearing male in Aruba.

Florida~ Please tell us more about your knowing or having had contact with or word about Hiram.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Mere on October 24, 2006, 11:36:26 PM
Good night all......see you in the morning....save my place.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 24, 2006, 11:37:22 PM
Things just get weirder and weirder. Aruba is truly a foriegn place.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:38:34 PM
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5'11" @ 125 pounds is very thin.  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T200_image2124.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 24, 2006, 11:39:08 PM
Hiram appears to be anorexic:
weight: 125 lbs.  /   height: 5' 11''


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 24, 2006, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good night all......see you in the morning....save my place.... :D

Nite Mere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:40:35 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Hiram appears to be anorexic:
weight: 125 lbs.  /   height: 5' 11''


We are always thinking alike, Leslie.  It does to me, too, but then models are super thin these days.  Wasn't it you who watched the shows on how to become one and knew about the intense look in the eyes?

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:40:54 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 24, 2006, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Hiram appears to be anorexic:
weight: 125 lbs.  /   height: 5' 11''


Hiram appears to have issues.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:43:26 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

.


Louis is the Aloe King, and Israel is the good Doctor, right?  Where do Louis * Michael live?

And how and why would J2k take her to the Posner house?


Well, gee, maybe a body was taken to Israel to see if he could fix it, eh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:43:27 PM
Well, IF Hiram saw something, then I certainly hope he has some protection or friends in high places.  He's kept that secret a loooonnnggg time.  Who is it, BOC?, who has that bag of salt that he takes everything with.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 24, 2006, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Hiram appears to be anorexic:
weight: 125 lbs.  /   height: 5' 11''


Hiram appears to have issues.


Well, maybe we could direct him to our Issues and Baggage Thread.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Not that there is anything wrong with that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:44:33 PM
No, Florida corrected me when I mentioned the good doctor Israel.  She said it was either Michael or Louis Posner's house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:45:19 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
No, Florida corrected me when I mentioned the good doctor Israel.  She said it was either Michael or Louis Posner's house.


Yeah, I know, it's just a new Bloomer season.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2006, 11:46:12 PM
Maybe Hiram could give all of us lady monkeys make up lessons.
I did look and I could not find an address for Hiram on Malmokweg.
By tomorrow, someone will know all there is to know about Hi. Including shoe size and hat size.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:46:30 PM
Whether Florida's story is true or not, I find it interesting that this is the first time someone has directly connected Michael Posner to this case.  This Hiram has better have a digital photo of what he saw, or I think he might just meet some very big guys who try to persuade him otherwise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:46:38 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs



Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:


AZLady wrote:

Florida, how many people know that Hiram saw Natalee at one of the Posner's homes?

Florida wrote:
Very few....Me, someone & ROY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2006, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs


If it is, he's been at Colegio Arubano(sp?) since 1999...is that a middle school/high school?   Also, what's R.K for Religious affiliation?  

Thanks, crazymom...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Maybe Hiram could give all of us lady monkeys make up lessons.
I did look and I could not find an address for Hiram on Malmokweg.
By tomorrow, someone will know all there is to know about Hi. Including shoe size and hat size.


Shoe size is 11.5 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs



Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:


AZLady wrote:

Florida, how many people know that Hiram saw Natalee at one of the Posner's homes?

Florida wrote:
Very few....Me, someone & ROY


And anyone who reads this forum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:49:35 PM
RK is short for Ramkrishna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"


And anyone who reads this forum.


 :lol:  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:51:07 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
RK is short for Ramkrishna


It's a Hindu religion
[geez--now I'm quoting myself]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:51:15 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs


If it is, he's been at Colegio Arubano(sp?) since 1999...is that a middle school/high school?   Also, what's R.K for Religious affiliation?  

Thanks, crazymom...


Says he is 18 so it would be possible that he started middle school in 1999 at 11 or 12.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: yapperz1 on October 24, 2006, 11:51:28 PM
Nite Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 24, 2006, 11:53:49 PM
It's been an interesting night.  See ya'll tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: crazymom on October 24, 2006, 11:53:55 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Nite Monkeys


Nite yapperz1.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2006, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "AZLady"
RK is short for Ramkrishna


It's a Hindu religion
[geez--now I'm quoting myself]


Found it, AZ, thank you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 24, 2006, 11:55:59 PM
Humm, just watching the movie 'American Beauty' and heard an interesting quote 'Never Underestimate the Power of Denial'.

Wonder where that might be applied?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 24, 2006, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Whether Florida's story is true or not, I find it interesting that this is the first time someone has directly connected Michael Posner to this case.  This Hiram has better have a digital photo of what he saw, or I think he might just meet some very big guys who try to persuade him otherwise.


Nope, he's about to become a big time model.  Aruba gives suspects and witnesses their heart's desire to keep them quiet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 24, 2006, 11:59:28 PM
Yes, that was me.  I had the pleasure of watching America's Next Top Model with Tyra Banks. After viewing the adsurdity of a gay man teaching the young woman how to walk like a female,  Tyra was telling them that they must acquire the  " fierce and pissed off"  look to sell the designer clothes.
Even dumber was an incident from Canada's Next Top Model.  The hostess is somebody I had never heard of or seen or would consider model material.  In a fashion shoot, one of the girls was walking around semi-topless while changing outfits and a few of the wannabee models got bothered by it.   The topless one got a "dressing down" in front of everybody, by the angry ugly former top model and told to respect the feelings of others and not flaunt her nakedness.  The poor girl looked as confused as I was.  She was sent home.  
On the very next show, the models had to pose NAKED for a photographer and were told to expect to have to expose their bodies if they want to be a top model and to get comfortable with it.    
Insanity!
Hiram does not have what it takes to be a model.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:02:04 AM
Hiram's birthday party - 6/11/2005, some interresting pictures:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/pag2.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 12:02:32 AM
GOODNIGHT EVERYONE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:02:48 AM
I want to know how Natalee got from the Kalpoe car to the Posner home?  Shades of Shango here...hate to be a pain...but shades of Shango... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Nite Monkeys


Night Yapperz.

I think we just had some new decoys peddleing misinformation.  We had some great discussions & revelations learlier, and these people come along to maybe confuse the issues and get us off track.

Why woud they be offering this info on the net when they could report it and possibly get some reward money.  I guess I am being cynical.

TTYL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:04:48 AM
Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:05:23 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
RK is short for Ramkrishna


I would have guessed Roman Katholic with a spelling problem.   :oops:

This Roy has more friends than Tom!  He has Natalee Ann posted as one of them, too.   :shock: And there is a Sander but could not tell if it is our Sander as was wearing a baseball cap over his face.

Lots of photos but don't see any of the usual suspects in them.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hiram's birthday party - 6/11/2005, some interresting pictures:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/pag2.htm


That is an understatement!  Everyone should look very closely to those photos, there are some people in there that some might recognize.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:06:31 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg


that is skeeeeeeery  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:06:33 AM
Quote from: "San"
GOODNIGHT EVERYONE


Nite San


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 12:07:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg


Is she with PB?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:12:31 AM
It's late and my thoughts may not be as sharp as some here, but I believe Florida posted that Hiram, someone & Roy saw Natalee at Posners....so, why are we hearing this now?  Were these witnesses interviewed and statements taken?  mmmmm

kbm's posts also tried to lead us to a different point of view.  

Why did they come simultaneously?...or is it just me?

I'm just considering the discussions on this board today, regarding DK's statements & guilt, and also our thoughts on Posner.  jmo...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:17:27 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg


Is she with PB?


Who's PB?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg


Is she with PB?


Who's PB?


Paul Brough?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:18:53 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
It's late and my thoughts may not be as sharp as some here, but I believe Florida posted that Hiram, someone & Roy saw Natalee at Posners....so, why are we hearing this now?  Were these witnesses interviewed and statements taken?  mmmmm

kbm's posts also tried to lead us to a different point of view.  

Why did they come simultaneously?...or is it just me?

I'm just considering the discussions on this board today, regarding DK's statements & guilt, and also our thoughts on Posner.  jmo...


You are right...we need Old Fart's box of salt. It was interesting as far as discussions go, but very little info was gleaned by it.  I still didn't find out if KBM knew Shango... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hiram's birthday party - 6/11/2005, some interresting pictures:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/pag2.htm


That is an understatement!  Everyone should look very closely to those photos, there are some people in there that some might recognize.

Seems to me there are some government officials at this party.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:20:23 AM
What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:22:45 AM
I see Bon Dia has her camera in that photo.  I wonder if she has batteries for it now.   :roll: That was why she could not take photos for us one time.  I think some actually believed her, too.

 :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:


Looks like a little pooch to me...but hopefully alive...Hiram looks like he has quite a tatoo on his chest though...too much for his shirt...lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:27:14 AM
Aruba~ where lying is The National Pastime.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:30:24 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
It's late and my thoughts may not be as sharp as some here, but I believe Florida posted that Hiram, someone & Roy saw Natalee at Posners....so, why are we hearing this now?  Were these witnesses interviewed and statements taken?  mmmmm

kbm's posts also tried to lead us to a different point of view.  

Why did they come simultaneously?...or is it just me?

I'm just considering the discussions on this board today, regarding DK's statements & guilt, and also our thoughts on Posner.  jmo...


I believe she was stating that those who know that Hiram saw this are her, someone and Roy, not that they also saw it.

Well, there was some thought that Nat was being moved from house to house. If so, then the three doritos are still guilty of drugging, abducting sexually assaulting and making her disappear. Plus human trafficking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:30:32 AM
I wonder if Hiram knows Michael Posner's history.  Last people on the island I would be fingering.  How could he tell it was Natalee from such a distance from any other blonde with long hair?  Maybe he was peeking in their windows.   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:32:03 AM
Thought I was past the shaking-my-head-in-disbelief-over-Aruban-behavior, but they continue to produce outlandishness.

Good night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 12:32:07 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Nite Monkeys


Night Yapperz.

I think we just had some new decoys peddleing misinformation.  We had some great discussions & revelations learlier, and these people come along to maybe confuse the issues and get us off track.

Why woud they be offering this info on the net when they could report it and possibly get some reward money.  I guess I am being cynical.

TTYL


Well, don't worry, ain't no way you could be more cynical than me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:32:14 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Anna"
What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:


Looks like a little pooch to me...but hopefully alive...Hiram looks like he has quite a tatoo on his chest though...too much for his shirt...lol


No, it hangs all the way down his back to about his knees with a big fluffy tail.   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2006, 12:32:31 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:

looks like one of those dead fox things that your grandma used to have.
Hiram thinks he's a hottie.
I did see a few faces that I have seen on the the FP.. political types.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
It's late and my thoughts may not be as sharp as some here, but I believe Florida posted that Hiram, someone & Roy saw Natalee at Posners....so, why are we hearing this now?  Were these witnesses interviewed and statements taken?  mmmmm

kbm's posts also tried to lead us to a different point of view.  

Why did they come simultaneously?...or is it just me?

I'm just considering the discussions on this board today, regarding DK's statements & guilt, and also our thoughts on Posner.  jmo...


You are right...we need Old Fart's box of salt. It was interesting as far as discussions go, but very little info was gleaned by it.  I still didn't find out if KBM knew Shango... :roll:


Nobody knows Shango like you know Shango.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:34:02 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if Hiram knows Michael Posner's history.  Last people on the island I would be fingering.  How could he tell it was Natalee from such a distance from any other blonde with long hair?  Maybe he was peeking in their windows.   :shock:


True or not, Hiram will likely be not too thrilled about this little revelation over the net .... since it will go to Dvries, FBI, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:34:42 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hiram's birthday party - 6/11/2005, some interresting pictures:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/pag2.htm


That is an understatement!  Everyone should look very closely to those photos, there are some people in there that some might recognize.

Seems to me there are some government officials at this party.


Seems that way to me too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:35:39 AM
That is a very nice home.  His parents appear to be wealthy.  They must be very proud of him.   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:36:22 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Anna"
What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:


Looks like a little pooch to me...but hopefully alive...Hiram looks like he has quite a tatoo on his chest though...too much for his shirt...lol


No, it hangs all the way down his back to about his knees with a big fluffy tail.   :shock:


I see that, now...my vision isn't as good as yours.  The tatooed chest still has me wondering....wth?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:37:16 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I see Bon Dia has her camera in that photo.  I wonder if she has batteries for it now.   :roll: That was why she could not take photos for us one time.  I think some actually believed her, too.

 :?


She told :shock:  :roll:  me it was the little card thingy...did she lie to me??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Thanks for asking Lala's....I thought the last name was familiar...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:38:04 AM
OOPS!  Messed up that post. Sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:38:06 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....

 :wink: I know exactly who you are referring to and I don't know.  That is a very common last name in Aruba so it's hard to tell.  Will have to do a bit more research.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if Hiram knows Michael Posner's history.  Last people on the island I would be fingering.  How could he tell it was Natalee from such a distance from any other blonde with long hair?  Maybe he was peeking in their windows.   :shock:


True or not, Hiram will likely be not too thrilled about this little revelation over the net .... since it will go to Dvries, FBI, etc.


I'm sure he has nothing to hide, justins, and if being truthful what harm could possibly come to him.   :roll:   Yes, just when we think things can't get any stranger, they do.  But I have always wondered who he was in some of the photos.  I wonder how long they have been neighbors with the Posners and if that will help and count toward anything for saving his life, lol!  Just kidding, Uncle Mike!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:38:57 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Thanks for asking Lala's....I thought the last name was familiar...


I know you guys think I am dumb sometimes...but not too much gets by me...really.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:40:07 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


See what I mean?  Lot's of Vrolijk's  :wink:

http://www.arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=&l_name=vrolijk


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:40:25 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Panty Boy?  The one who went around looking for old women's bloomers and used condoms?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if Hiram knows Michael Posner's history.  Last people on the island I would be fingering.  How could he tell it was Natalee from such a distance from any other blonde with long hair?  Maybe he was peeking in their windows.   :shock:


True or not, Hiram will likely be not too thrilled about this little revelation over the net .... since it will go to Dvries, FBI, etc.


I'm sure he has nothing to hide, justins, and if being truthful what harm could possibly come to him.   :roll:   Yes, just when we think things can't get any stranger, they do.  But I have always wondered who he was in some of the photos.  I wonder how long they have been neighbors with the Posners and if that will help and count toward anything for saving his life, lol!  Just kidding, Uncle Mike!

.


Follow the money...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:41:24 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Thanks for asking Lala's....I thought the last name was familiar...


I know you guys think I am dumb sometimes...but not too much gets by me...really.  :lol:


You said that, not any of us hall monitor.... :lol:  Shango La (la)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:41:37 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....


Panty Boy?  The one who went around looking for old women's bloomers and used condoms?


Yes....and...you know.... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:42:55 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Anna"
I see Bon Dia has her camera in that photo.  I wonder if she has batteries for it now.   :roll: That was why she could not take photos for us one time.  I think some actually believed her, too.

 :?


She told :shock:  :roll:  me it was the little card thingy...did she lie to me??


Oh, no, Lalas, I am sure she would never lie to either of us.  I must have misunderstood about the batteries.  If she told you the little card, then the little card it must have been.   :roll: Besides, one excuse is just about as good as another.   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:43:31 AM
So does anyone know the address of Hiram?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2006, 12:43:47 AM
Well fed comes to mind looking at some of the guests.
DeVries is contacting / ppl and asking questions.
Something is getting stirred up there .
never take your eye off the ball.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:44:56 AM
Anna
I think she meant little card thingy when I asked for a photo of Lorenzo.  She must have meant batteries when she spoke to you.  Surely, it was two different things.  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:45:03 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Well fed comes to mind looking at some of the guests.
DeVries is contacting / ppl and asking questions.
Something is getting stirred up there .
never take your eye off the ball.


Well if I could ever find the ball, that's exactly what I would do.  


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Well fed comes to mind looking at some of the guests.
DeVries is contacting / ppl and asking questions.
Something is getting stirred up there .
never take your eye off the ball.


Yuppers...sure seems like something is stirred up, Kat_Gram...you are right...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:46:16 AM
Hiram Vrolijk went to the International School of Aruba


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:46:31 AM
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Anna
I think she meant little card thingy when I asked for a photo of Lorenzo.  She must have meant batteries when she spoke to you.  Surely, it was two different things.  :roll:  :roll:


Yes, that explains it.  Whew!  That's a relief to know she did not lie to us.  Mine was batteries for the rocks and yours was memory card for Lorenzo.  Her camera only seemed to work on occasion.  Odd for a reporter but I am sure we have this straight now and neither of us were lied to as it is two separate times.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:48:47 AM
I'll have to check in tomorrow to find out if it was a sandwich or not....Goodnight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:49:44 AM
Anna
Sometimes you are as funny as that little doggie is cute.  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:50:25 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

No, I don't think it's PB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:51:32 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
I'll have to check in tomorrow to find out if it was a sandwich or not....Goodnight.


Night, sleep well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Anna
I think she meant little card thingy when I asked for a photo of Lorenzo.  She must have meant batteries when she spoke to you.  Surely, it was two different things.  :roll:  :roll:


Yes, that explains it.  Whew!  That's a relief to know she did not lie to us.  Mine was batteries for the rocks and yours was memory card for Lorenzo.  Her camera only seemed to work on occasion.  Odd for a reporter but I am sure we have this straight now and neither of us were lied to as it is two separate times.

.


That's kinda funny, ya know I dabble with a little amateur photo journalism on the side and I always carry at least 2 cameras and several cards and charged batteries with me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

No, I don't think it's PB


That's good because then Bondia would have lied to me again.  She told me she didn't know him....once...many moons ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:54:21 AM
Carnut
I don't dabble and I have extra batteries all the time.  Where is that bag...of salt, I mean. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:54:28 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:


You're pretty humorous yourself, Lalas!

That is who it looks like to me but Klaas is MUCH better at this and will give her the final word.  I can never tell Steve Croes from his cousin Quincey but it is becoming easier as Steve gets larger and larger.

That is one well fed looking crowd!  Except for poor Hiram who looks as though that thing on his shoulder is feeding off of him.  Well, I have a son who is too thin by design too and only eats raw vegan but he does it for health reasons and not modeling.  And to terrify his parents on the side.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:56:27 AM
I wonder if those Birthday photos are at Hiram's house or one next door?  :shock:   What does his family do for a living?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:57:05 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

No, I don't think it's PB


Then it is that restaurant guy?  The one there are photos of her dining in his new restaurant?  He is nice looking and she looks like of like a vulture after him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:57:23 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

No, I don't think it's PB


That's good because then Bondia would have lied to me again.  She told me she didn't know him....once...many moons ago.

I have no idea if she actually knows him or not, I just don't think that's him with her in the photo, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 12:57:51 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder if those Birthday photos are at Hiram's house or one next door?  :shock:   What does his family do for a living?


I would imagine if one's family can afford a house next door to the Posners then the family is doing rather well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:58:05 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

No, I don't think it's PB


Then it is that restaurant guy?  The one there are photos of her dining in his new restaurant?  He is nice looking and she looks like of like a vulture after him?

Yes, looks like the same restaurant guy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:59:31 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder if those Birthday photos are at Hiram's house or one next door?  :shock:   What does his family do for a living?


Spy on the Posners, evidently.  Just kidding again.   :D Yes, I wonder what they do for a living to have such a fine home as well considering Aruban housing costs.  Certainly puts the Sloot compound to shame.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:59:49 AM
I can't tell much about the guy hugging up on JR, because she's in the way...the nerve!  She knows we have to identify everyone on Aruba.  We already know at least half of them by now, anyway.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:00:58 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder if those Birthday photos are at Hiram's house or one next door?  :shock:   What does his family do for a living?


I would imagine if one's family can afford a house next door to the Posners then the family is doing rather well.


I wonder if they are. .. you know. . . . .connected?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:06:51 AM
You've been a monkey too long if you know:

what JR and L and S stand for...

what  saying ...you know... means...

what hugging Nemo means...

next....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:06:59 AM
.
Sunfreak,
Did you post a thread for your poster or put it on one so we can find it again?  It looked really really good.

And we were going to start a thread for questions to ask Peter de Vries but I forgot about that too and now am too tired to think.  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:11:20 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
You've been a monkey too long if you know:

what JR and L and S stand for...

what  saying ...you know... means...

what hugging Nemo means...

next....


If you know who wears see through blouses


How cesspools word on Aruba

What C&C stands for

And know the difference in Roy Tromp and Donald Trump.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: MisGivings on October 25, 2006, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "igsigs"
KBM   -    WELCOME!

Can i ask?  Have you followed the case closely?  From what news sources do you get your information?  TIA

not that close that yall did


Hmm, wondering outloud how many Arubans use the term, "yall"???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:13:16 AM
I am tired too...hugs to Nemo ar Camp Bow Wow.  Someone get the lights...I am going to bed now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:14:19 AM
Hi Misgivings...maybe an American living there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on October 25, 2006, 01:15:09 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
You've been a monkey too long if you know:

what JR and L and S stand for...

what  saying ...you know... means...

what hugging Nemo means...

next....


How about:

You know you've been a monkey too long when you can't remember what you did the night before...but you know it's not good because you woke up in the back of a VW bus...head feeling like it's about to burst...wearing someone else's clothes and smelling of a combination of alcohol, Del Taco, and plain old FUNK!!

Wait...my bad.  That's not being a Monkey for too long.  That's the dangers of going to the office X-mad party.  My apologies...

What's up Lala's??  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:16:27 AM
Hey XXX!!!
Where ya been? Missed you.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:16:50 AM
Quote from: "MisGivings"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "igsigs"
KBM   -    WELCOME!

Can i ask?  Have you followed the case closely?  From what news sources do you get your information?  TIA

not that close that yall did


Hmm, wondering outloud how many Arubans use the term, "yall"???

Hi Misgivings - long time no see.

Kbm is Aruban


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: MisGivings on October 25, 2006, 01:17:39 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

ask him


joran_sloot@hotmail.com :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:17:42 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Misgivings...maybe an American living there?


Well, I'm sure he was in the East Daylight Timezone.

Don't know what aruba's timezone is, kept getting spurious answers to that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on October 25, 2006, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hey XXX!!!
Where ya been? Missed you.  :wink:


Hey U!!  I've been REAL busy lately.  Haven't had much time to post at all.  But, don't think the cause has left my thoughts.  I'm very much still a part of the fight...trust me!

How've you been? Hope everything is ok with you and yours...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:24:05 AM
Oh, I am doing real good now that I have seen you here... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:25:29 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Misgivings...maybe an American living there?


Well, I'm sure he was in the East Daylight Timezone.

Don't know what aruba's timezone is, kept getting spurious answers to that one.


It is the same as Eastern, I know that is confusing and I may still be confused about it..but I think they are on EST.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 01:26:02 AM
Klaas - I've been thinking about that big bus Alex gottenbos was trying to sell.  Could it be the BANGBUS?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thirdstrike on October 25, 2006, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Oh, I am doing real good now that I have seen you here... :wink:


Likewise my dear...likewise!    And, if I may say so, you're looking especially lovely this evening!  That may get me in a little trouble for being O/T, but...for you, I'll sacrifice being put in anyone's book!  ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:29:43 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Klaas - I've been thinking about that big bus Alex gottenbos was trying to sell.  Could it be the BANGBUS?   :shock:

I doubt it.  It is a 49 seater??  Seems a van like Lorenzo's would be more likely.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:30:11 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Klaas - I've been thinking about that big bus Alex gottenbos was trying to sell.  Could it be the BANGBUS?   :shock:


Sunfreak, they don't use just one.  Looks like there are any number of buses and vans used, like a different one in each episode almost.  And then there is Smutbus.com and even one using a school bus.  The entire world is awash in  porn.

 :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:32:02 AM
I wonder why they have a 49 seater bus anyway.  Seems an odd thing to have.  What would they do with it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder why they have a 49 seater bus anyway.  Seems an odd thing to have.  What would they do with it?

I asked the same question the other night.  What is an insurance guy in Aruba doing with a 49 seater bus?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 01:39:00 AM
Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:41:24 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder why they have a 49 seater bus anyway.  Seems an odd thing to have.  What would they do with it?


Remove some of the seats so Koen could have more room? I didn't say that...no, I am way too tired to be posting this time of the night.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:


For shame!  You used two words together that in Aruba don't exist...normal and male...I really should get to bed...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:46:09 AM
Thirdstrike
Thanks for the compliment but I really must be getting to bed... I have to get up early and that means in just a few hours...keep these women in line here....well try anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:46:48 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:


Your first line Sunfreak........I am trying so hard not to laugh  :shock:

I agree that it does appear bisexuality is a given to great degree, plus I do not wear as much make-up as most of these fellas.

So odd to think of Renfro defending these NICE boys, right?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:48:49 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Misgivings...maybe an American living there?


Well, I'm sure he was in the East Daylight Timezone.

Don't know what aruba's timezone is, kept getting spurious answers to that one.


It is the same as Eastern, I know that is confusing and I may still be confused about it..but I think they are on EST.


Yeah, but right now Eastern is on Daylight savings and that's the timezone time he referenced.

If aruba is on Eastern Standard all the time then they would be the same as central right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 01:49:28 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"


For shame!  You used two words together that in Aruba don't exist...normal and male...I really should get to bed...


I guess "normal Aruban male" is an OXYMORAN.    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder why they have a 49 seater bus anyway.  Seems an odd thing to have.  What would they do with it?


Tourist tours?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:49:54 AM
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:50:59 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:51:44 AM
Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:51:58 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.

I have a suspicion KBM is posting from Aruba  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:52:42 AM
ah carnut the teach has spoken, it's Aruba  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:53:02 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.

I have a suspicion KBM is posting from Aruba  :wink:


Ok, then aruba must be on Eastern Daylight Savings time, if he gave me his correct time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:54:30 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.

I have a suspicion KBM is posting from Aruba  :wink:


Ok, then aruba must be on Eastern Daylight Savings time, if he gave me his correct time.


http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=oranjestad


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2006, 01:56:02 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.

Done while k was on line... Aruba.
There were two: setar net and 204-212-120# aruba.
went to who's on, by world map. click on the dot, get the info. entry page. exit page. exit page to me to k's postings.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:56:13 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?


I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.

I have a suspicion KBM is posting from Aruba  :wink:


Ok, then aruba must be on Eastern Daylight Savings time, if he gave me his correct time.


http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=oranjestad


Ok, then after Daylight savings time switches back aruba will be on Central Standard time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2006, 01:57:24 AM
And Aruba is one hour ahead of me, so it must be eastern .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:57:56 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.

Done while k was on line... Aruba.
There were two: setar net and 204-212-120# aruba.
went to who's on, by world map. click on the dot, get the info. entry page. exit page. exit page to me to k's postings.


Ok, I can agree he was well versed in the standard ATA version of the case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
And Aruba is one hour ahead of me, so it must be eastern .


Just for another couple of weeks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.

Done while k was on line... Aruba.
There were two: setar net and 204-212-120# aruba.
went to who's on, by world map. click on the dot, get the info. entry page. exit page. exit page to me to k's postings.


Ok, I can agree he was well versed in the standard ATA version of the case.


 :lol:  :lol: good call car

do you suppose they dropped flyers by air all over the island to ensure the story was straight?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.

Done while k was on line... Aruba.
There were two: setar net and 204-212-120# aruba.
went to who's on, by world map. click on the dot, get the info. entry page. exit page. exit page to me to k's postings.


Ok, I can agree he was well versed in the standard ATA version of the case.


 :lol:  :lol: good call car

do you suppose they dropped flyers by air all over the island to ensure the story was straight?  :lol:


Dunno, that's something that still amazes me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:02:09 AM
well maybe they have Renfro giving tutorials?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:03:09 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well maybe they have Renfro giving tutorials?  :lol:


Actually I'm wondering if everyone who's ever posted from aruba was actually Renfro.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:


He is dressed as a female in some of his modeling shots or at least an androgynous person.  Yes, I think several of them are at least bi-sexual.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  and the whole island is far too obsessed with it.  See the Chicago vids of aboard the Tattoo for sexual frenzy in the crowd.  Don't they ever do anything normal and wholesome?  Their entire lives seem to revolve around booze and sex and gambling.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:05:37 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
 Their entire lives seem to revolve around booze and sex and gambling.


Well, now that's not an uncommon occurrance in my neck of the woods as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:06:01 AM
A while back Renfro had some hate mail whining about it but it was addressed not to her but to ATA when she finally posted it.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:06:58 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well maybe they have Renfro giving tutorials?  :lol:


Actually I'm wondering if everyone who's ever posted from aruba was actually Renfro.


high-five !  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 02:07:13 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
A while back Renfro had some hate mail whining about it but it was addressed not to her but to ATA when she finally posted it.

.

Yep..she sure did!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 02:08:26 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL - I'VE HAD A LONG DAY.  WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:09:46 AM
carnut-

I hate to disappoint you but my sporter doesn't spend every night on the town either, and he's only 19 and certainly living in a party town.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:10:18 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
GOODNIGHT ALL - I'VE HAD A LONG DAY.  WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW!


Night Klaas

I promise to be only a little bit bad now that you've left  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:13:25 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Anna"
 Their entire lives seem to revolve around booze and sex and gambling.


Well, now that's not an uncommon occurrance in my neck of the woods as well.


For high school kids?  Gambling is legal in Kansas?  It is rare for any kids that young here to be doing any of that to that extent.  And they have stuff to do after school and on weekends and have to get all that extra cirrucular in to get in the school they want.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:13:28 AM
well I should get to bed but will post this to greet others in the morning  :lol:

I think it looks a lot like Renfro's photo that Klaas posted earlier tonight  8)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/holidays/shedevilt.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:13:32 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
carnut-

I hate to disappoint you but my sporter doesn't spend every night on the town either, and he's only 19 and certainly living in a party town.


Must be this wild Kansas air or something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 25, 2006, 02:13:41 AM
The poster named Florida was on at the same time.
Don't know that location. yet.
PPl who have been to Aruba, as per the FP say they get the same kind of story ... she ran away, the family... they never found her... can't be true..
etc.
I have gone to RWV and looked at the first posts... Jairo, Glenda, Rob
are all there, plus other assorted ppl who claimed to be from Aruba, can't verify, most of them are @ Yahoo or HotMail. The stories started very early, that she had run away before, problems at home, strange quote in yearbook, did drugs, drugs sold to her by security guards. And all that was June 10, 2005 or earlier.
So, that is and still is their viewpoint. Now with the boycott called for and Stupid Dompig's quotes, I guess there is backlash.
I also have no idea of what the common ppl in Aruba read or watch on TV.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:14:19 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
carnut-

I hate to disappoint you but my sporter doesn't spend every night on the town either, and he's only 19 and certainly living in a party town.


Must be this wild Kansas air or something.


 :lol: I betcha Anna could break you of those bad habits real quick  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:15:51 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Anna"
 Their entire lives seem to revolve around booze and sex and gambling.


Well, now that's not an uncommon occurrance in my neck of the woods as well.


For high school kids?  Gambling is legal in Kansas?  It is rare for any kids that young here to be doing any of that to that extent.  And they have stuff to do after school and on weekends and have to get all that extra cirrucular in to get in the school they want.

.


Well don't know for sure now a days, but back in my day, beer busts and sex were fairly common in highschool.

No organized gambling maybe, but plenty of nefarious other illegal activities, some which I was a participant in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:16:12 AM
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:17:41 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:18:24 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

.


double high-five Anna  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

.


double high-five Anna  :lol:  :lol:


Now wait a minute, you just agreed with Klaas that the K poster was posting from aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:20:30 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

.





 8)  8)  :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:20:39 AM
.It was certainly an interesting night.  Was hoping Hammer would weigh in but guess he said all he had to say earlier.  I was thinking this Hiram was an adult at least, like an old man maybe.  It's that goofy kid from the photos and turns out he is even stranger than it would first appear.  One photo as a boy and the next as a girl, etc.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:21:55 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
.It was certainly an interesting night.  Was hoping Hammer would weigh in but guess he said all he had to say earlier.  I was thinking this Hiram was an adult at least, like an old man maybe.  It's that goofy kid from the photos and turns out he is even stranger than it would first appear.  One photo as a boy and the next as a girl, etc.

.


Now that didn't happen around here in my day.

Actually have a thread in the lounge somewhat on that subject.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:22:18 AM
Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:23:31 AM
Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:


And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

.


double high-five Anna  :lol:  :lol:


Now wait a minute, you just agreed with Klaas that the K poster was posting from aruba.


Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:24:45 AM
SandraK with the help of the Rejects and Charles Croes would use an anonymizer.  But you are right it was probably Kawish as claimed.   I guess he didn't like to be called a terrorist.  It never hurts to sting them a little once in a while to see if you can get a response.
 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?


And Goth make up should I want to use that for Halloween.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:27:25 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:27:45 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?


And Goth make up should I want to use that for Halloween.

 :D


 :lol:  :lol: oooh Anna that sounds like fun, you wanna us do that together for halloween?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.


Heh, heh, you could be in Hong Kong and have a NYSusan email address in Yahoo.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:29:35 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.


Heh, heh, you could be in Hong Kong and have a NYSusan email address in Yahoo.com


You should see all the email and IM's I get from the New York babes stranded in Nigeria.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

.


been working and whats the word.????

oh yea

LURKING  8)

i think the whole thing is a DECOY, people gettin nervous i think

PAULUS is sweating  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?


And Goth make up should I want to use that for Halloween.

 :D


 :lol:  :lol: oooh Anna that sounds like fun, you wanna us do that together for halloween?


I think that's a pretty good look on ladies for Halloween. Really slinky Morticia types.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:31:26 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?


And Goth make up should I want to use that for Halloween.

 :D


 :lol:  :lol: oooh Anna that sounds like fun, you wanna us do that together for halloween?


Sure!  No way can I make my hair black so I will have to go with platinum but am going to do it and maybe spikes even at my age.  Kids coming for Thanksgiving will get a shock, lol.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:32:16 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

.


im getting up in 4 hours to go to work  BUT

20 cent listing day tomorrow on EBAY  8)

im ready  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:32:54 AM
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:33:01 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Anna"
Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

.


im getting up in 4 hours to go to work  BUT

20 cent listing day tomorrow on EBAY  8)

im ready  8)


W O R K ????? what's that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:33:15 AM
some one from holland is here tonight i think  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:33:41 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


I'm surprised I still have some candy left for Halloween.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:33:56 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Anna"
Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

.


im getting up in 4 hours to go to work  BUT

20 cent listing day tomorrow on EBAY  8)

im ready  8)


W O R K ????? what's that?



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

LOL

i like to work most of the time, i have NO BOSS

i have 3 jobs  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:34:30 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


Gee, maybe I can have that 'vision' a little later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:34:32 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.


Heh, heh, you could be in Hong Kong and have a NYSusan email address in Yahoo.com


You should see all the email and IM's I get from the New York babes stranded in Nigeria.


Well of course anybody can put anything but I doubt Florida is a babe stranded in Nigeria.  In fact I haven't seen too many babes from there.  

I think people with lots of timeshares are getting very desperate.  Can't give them away.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:34:56 AM
robots-

What is 20 cent day on eBay??? Not that I need to shop, I need the opposite, I need to divest  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:35:28 AM
im not PARTICIPATING again this year in DAY LIGHT SAVINGS


once again i will be RIDICULED, SHAMED, MADE FUN of




i love it  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:35:43 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


Gee, maybe I can have that 'vision' a little later.


you are NOT allowed to insert Anna and myself into your dreams car  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:35:54 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.


Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.


Heh, heh, you could be in Hong Kong and have a NYSusan email address in Yahoo.com


You should see all the email and IM's I get from the New York babes stranded in Nigeria.


Well of course anybody can put anything but I doubt Florida is a babe stranded in Nigeria.  In fact I haven't seen too many babes from there.  

I think people with lots of timeshares are getting very desperate.  Can't give them away.

.


Yeah, but those Babes in Nigeria have such humorous stories.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:36:46 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots-

What is 20 cent day on eBay??? Not that I need to shop, I need the opposite, I need to divest  :lol:


LISTING fee is only 20 cents even if the item starts at a HIGH PRICE of
say 3000.00  

with out the 20 cent day, it might cost you 8.00 or 10.00 bucks   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:37:14 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


Gee, maybe I can have that 'vision' a little later.


Well when we show up in our Morticia outfits, you had better have candy!  Otherwise you get the TRICK played on you and it could be nasty.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:37:36 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots-

What is 20 cent day on eBay??? Not that I need to shop, I need the opposite, I need to divest  :lol:



its great for sellers

and actually buyers, but mostly sellers


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:38:09 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:


Gee, maybe I can have that 'vision' a little later.


Well when we show up in our Morticia outfits, you had better have candy!  Otherwise you get the TRICK played on you and it could be nasty.

.


And the bad part of that is?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:38:27 AM
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:39:02 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:39:25 AM
ooooh Anna you walked right into that one ROFL  :lol:  :lol:

I'm laughing so hard for it's just like something I would do, we fine ladies tend to do this  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:39:34 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D


I wish I could sell stuff on ebay.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:40:01 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D


I wish I could sell stuff on ebay.


you can, its easy and fun and can be very profitable


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:40:19 AM
Robots I wish I knew how to sell things on EBay.  My kids do not want theor junk and I am drowning in it.  Baseball cards, comic book collection, books, all kinds of stuff they refuse to take or do not want to fool with.

Not even the one who does sell some things on Ebay.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:40:44 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D


I wish I could sell stuff on ebay.


you can, its easy and fun and can be very profitable


I've tried, unfortunately folks don't think much of my stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:40:58 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Robots I wish I knew how to sell things on EBay.  My kids do not want theor junk and I am drowning in it.  Baseball cards, comic book collection, books, all kinds of stuff they refuse to take or do not want to fool with.

Not even the one who does sell some things on Ebay.



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

its easy, simple
and did i mention,,,easy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:41:08 AM
well I'll have my cookie website completed soon carnut, you can be my midwest representative if you promise not to eat all the cookies.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:41:52 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well I'll have my cookie website completed soon carnut, you can be my midwest representative if you promise not to eat all the cookies.....


Oh geese, have you no respect for my manly figure?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D


I wish I could sell stuff on ebay.


you can, its easy and fun and can be very profitable


I've tried, unfortunately folks don't think much of my stuff.


OHHHHHHHHH...

yes , i know that is the problem for everyone at TIMES

"FINDING the right stuff to sell"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:42:15 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well I'll have my cookie website completed soon carnut, you can be my midwest representative if you promise not to eat all the cookies.....



 :twisted: lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:43:15 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
well I'll have my cookie website completed soon carnut, you can be my midwest representative if you promise not to eat all the cookies.....



 :twisted: lol


 :P  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:43:50 AM
well, it can be done on ebay with some luck and some interesting items

lots of people make a lot more than i do im sure

i can tell you honestly that , cause i did  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:43:58 AM
Good grief, it's bad enough I walked into his joke but now we are posting the very same thing!  What's going on here, lol!

Robots maybe you can direct us to a really good easy tutorial on selling on Ebay.  I have seen whole books about it and that makes me think it is difficult to do.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:44:22 AM
Quote from: "robots"
well, it can be done on ebay with some luck and some interesting items

lots of people make a lot more than i do im sure

i can tell you honestly that , cause i did  8)


and you all know, i aint the smartest ROBOT out there :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:45:12 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Good grief, it's bad enough I walked into his joke but now we are posting the very same thing!  What's going on here, lol!

Robots maybe you can direct us to a really good easy tutorial on selling on Ebay.  I have seen whole books about it and that makes me think it is difficult to do.

.


Is this kismet? ROFL  :lol: sorry I guess I'm punchy after pulling weeds all afternoon


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:47:03 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "robots"
well, it can be done on ebay with some luck and some interesting items

lots of people make a lot more than i do im sure

i can tell you honestly that , cause i did  8)


and you all know, i aint the smartest ROBOT out there :twisted:


I think selling on ebay just takes a certain mindset, kinda like some folks are good at gambling, some folks are good at retail sales, etc. it would appear some folks are really good at ebaying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:47:45 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Good grief, it's bad enough I walked into his joke but now we are posting the very same thing!  What's going on here, lol!

Robots maybe you can direct us to a really good easy tutorial on selling on Ebay.  I have seen whole books about it and that makes me think it is difficult to do.

.




hmmm... yea forget the books, that is a LOAD

i would go to the ebay site and register on the site ( ebay) and follow  ONE item that you like kind of like pretend to purchase it, follow it
how many bids, what it sold for, etc etc etc

when it sells and the auction is over you can use the "SELL a similiar item" feature and BINGO it will walk you right thru it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:48:34 AM
robots what kind of items do you sell? and how do you source those?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:48:55 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "robots"
well, it can be done on ebay with some luck and some interesting items

lots of people make a lot more than i do im sure

i can tell you honestly that , cause i did  8)


and you all know, i aint the smartest ROBOT out there :twisted:


I think selling on ebay just takes a certain mindset, kinda like some folks are good at gambling, some folks are good at retail sales, etc. it would appear some folks are really good at ebaying.


i made almost 50 grand in gambling one year



but it cost me 60 grand to make 50 grand

ROFL

i gave it up,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:49:10 AM
.
Well Robots I hope you clean up on 20 cent day that does sound like a good deal.

Carnut, I am warning you that if we show up and there is no candy, you won't like the consequences.  Not everything is fun you know!

None, I am punchy too still taking cold meds and think they keep me awake.  At first I thought it was the Godiva chocolate coffee so didn't have any today so must be the cold meds.

Goodnight all, have to get some sleep and my little woofers start woofing at daylight regard;less of when I go to bed.  They just don't seem to care.

 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Carnut on October 25, 2006, 02:50:24 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Well Robots I hope you clean up on 20 cent day that does sound like a good deal.

Carnut, I am warning you that if we show up and there is no candy, you won't like the consequences.  Not everything is fun you know!

None, I am punchy too still taking cold meds and think they keep me awake.  At first I thought it was the Godiva chocolate coffee so didn't have any today so must be the cold meds.

Goodnight all, have to get some sleep and my little woofers start woofing at daylight regard;less of when I go to bed.  They just don't seem to care.

 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


I ain't much skeeerred.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:51:14 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots what kind of items do you sell? and how do you source those?


industrial motors, electrical motors, some aircraft motors
anything with a motor


i have a friend she goes to yardsales all summer 2-3 times a week
buys things for a nickel, dime or a quarter and sells them all on ebay the
rest of the year, she will make 60 grand this year
she ships 20 packages a DAY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots what kind of items do you sell? and how do you source those?


buy em on ebay and sell them off ebay
mostly  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:52:12 AM
One last EBay post then I am in bed.  I know a couple that sell thngs from Harbor Freight Tools and have it shipped directly to their Ebay buyer.  They just mark everything in the catlalog up and resell it and give instructions to Harbor Freight Tool to ship to the address that bought it.

 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:53:08 AM
Night Anna, I really would like to go scare up some fun on halloweenie with you  :wink:

Hope you feel better, kiss the pups for us!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:53:19 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
One last EBay post then I am in bed.  I know a couple that sell thngs from Harbor Freight Tools and have it shipped directly to their Ebay buyer.  They just mark everything in the catlalog up and resell it and give instructions to Harbor Freight Tool to ship to the address that bought it.

 :shock:


heard about it

interesting, lots of people doing it, i think

im going to bed also

Gnight  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 02:55:10 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
robots what kind of items do you sell? and how do you source those?


buy em on ebay and sell them off ebay
mostly  8)


well my research on cookies blew me away what's being spent on cookies nationally.......even the Discovery Channel owns a cookie company?  :shock:

I have thought about getting into the pet biz on eBay, I may need some robots tutoring  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:58:41 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
I ain't much skeeerred.


Just so you are a little skeered.  We would look pretty scary all Goth.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:59:57 AM
.
Goodnight!  Let's see if KBM returns again tomorrow night!

,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:04:16 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Carnut"
[
I ain't much skeeerred.


Just so you are a little skeered.  We would look pretty scary all Goth.

 :D


yea me in heels when I'm six foot in barefeet  :lol:  :lol:

Off to bed myself also so rest well everyone and that means you too Car !!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 07:11:16 AM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
carnut-

I hate to disappoint you but my sporter doesn't spend every night on the town either, and he's only 19 and certainly living in a party town.


Must be this wild Kansas air or something.


ROTFLMAO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 07:18:19 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:


Your first line Sunfreak........I am trying so hard not to laugh  :shock:

I agree that it does appear bisexuality is a given to great degree, plus I do not wear as much make-up as most of these fellas.

So odd to think of Renfro defending these NICE boys, right?  :wink:

Yes, but are we even certain that Renfro is genetically female?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 07:19:57 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I want to know how Natalee got from the Kalpoe car to the Posner home?  Shades of Shango here...hate to be a pain...but shades of Shango... :roll:


Just one straight path... gold (?) does that relate to the "gold" in the casino or the "money" made from gambling.  She wanted to see "the sharks."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Another male model?  Well if this is him, it is always good to have a face to put to a name.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T100_image7540.jpg)


sorry but, is this a man or a woman???????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 07:38:33 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Anna"
Another male model?  Well if this is him, it is always good to have a face to put to a name.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T100_image7540.jpg)


sorry but, is this a man or a woman???????


As I wrote earlier, it would seem that Hiram has (gender) issues.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 07:38:51 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
5'11" @ 125 pounds is very thin.  

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T200_image2124.jpg)


WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 07:48:12 AM
ok i think we know what C Croes meant when he said that this was going to be hard to take or whatever he said.  These damn boys posing as girls is just way too out there for me.

this is one F'ed up island!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 07:52:34 AM
Quote from: "robots"
im not PARTICIPATING again this year in DAY LIGHT SAVINGS


once again i will be RIDICULED, SHAMED, MADE FUN of




i love it  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


Day light savings cuts down on energy use and keeps the cost down - you better participate!!  and go enlist all those states that dont participate, wil help cut energy costs !!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 07:57:54 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Robots I wish I knew how to sell things on EBay.  My kids do not want theor junk and I am drowning in it.  Baseball cards, comic book collection, books, all kinds of stuff they refuse to take or do not want to fool with.

Not even the one who does sell some things on Ebay.


they have these Ebay stores now - you just take all that crap in there and they sell it on Ebay for you.  I dont know what their cut is but i'm thinking about taking a bunch of junk in there just for the heck of it.  I normally just give stuff away or throw it out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "robots"
im not PARTICIPATING again this year in DAY LIGHT SAVINGS


once again i will be RIDICULED, SHAMED, MADE FUN of




i love it  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


Day light savings cuts down on energy use and keeps the cost down - you better participate!!  and go enlist all those states that dont participate, wil help cut energy costs !!!!



i dont think it saves anything


im not participating

my dentist wont like it when im an hour off on appointment :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 08:07:09 AM
I know I am stupid and don't understand, but don't we have a picture of Kawish at C&C the night of Natalee's disappearance with the "boggan" cap on?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 08:07:53 AM
i turn lights on when its dark. Maybe I'm just weird like that.


i dont turn them on at a specific time  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 08:37:41 AM
Yeah, with that daylight saving, I have to have every light in the house on getting ready to go to work and can't sleep when it's supposed to be dark.  Sorry, I just think it is like cutting off one end of the blanket and sewing it onto the other to make it longer.


Title: ebay away
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 09:04:29 AM
I have ebayed small items in the past and I would never do it again.  Just not worth the time and effort - the time it takes create the ad with pictures, respond to all questions,  pack it, take it to the post office to find out the delivery cost and then report back to the buyer and then wait for the payment before returning to the post office to actually send it plus the costs from Paypal really shrinks any profit made.


Title: morning all
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 09:06:41 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 09:13:11 AM
Aruba:  Tuberculosis in the hospital  

ARUBA – A case of tuberculosis (tbc) was detected in the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH).  The patient in question was in the Medium Care ward of the hospital for two weeks mid October. <snipped>
Tbc is a contagious infection disease, caused by the mycobacterium tuberculosis.  It is being spread by particles in the air coming from the coughing or sneezing of a patient.  Most of the time, tbc starts in the lungs, but can spread to other organs.  Harms explained that Aruba runs a high risk of getting tbc cases on the island.  “Colombia, Venezuela, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic are risk countries.  It is impossible to test everybody for tbc that comes to Aruba from these countries.  The HOH does therefore an internal medical check, which revealed open tbc”, said Harms.
This is the second time this year that tbc was detected in the HOH. The first time was in July.  

MRSA
Harms also indicated that the Meticilline Resistente Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA) bacterium is around.  He immediately emphasized that this bacteria has nothing to do with tbc.  MRSA was detected in the Intensive Care Unit last week.  The patients that were in ICU, had to be quarantined.  The unit was immediately closed and disinfected. The persons that have been in contact with these patients were also treated.
MRSA is a bacterium that is insensitive to most saleable antibiotic.  This disease is therefore difficult to control.  MRSA infection is dangerous for people with serious low resistance.  MRSA is a big threat for a hospital.


Title: Re: ebay away
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 09:33:20 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
I have ebayed small items in the past and I would never do it again.  Just not worth the time and effort - the time it takes create the ad with pictures, respond to all questions,  pack it, take it to the post office to find out the delivery cost and then report back to the buyer and then wait for the payment before returning to the post office to actually send it plus the costs from Paypal really shrinks any profit made.




 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)

I thought that's what Florida said??  right?  Not KBM.


Reading back... what if they used this as part of the cover up?  What if they put a Natalee look alike there and Florida thinks they saw Natalee? But it wasn't her?  At this point, I wouldn't find that too far fetched....

BTW< MORNING Y'ALL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 10:01:25 AM
Example:  I bought a beautiful platter for $3.50 CDN at my local thrift shop that photographed it , wrote the description, made the listing and sold it for $50 US.  Then I had to find a suitable box with all the bubblewrap and styrafoam peanuts to pack it in, then drive to the post  office to get the cost of shipping it to the US, then send that info to the buyer, wait for payment and go back to the post office to send it.   I would have done better selling it at a yard sale or taking it to my local antique store.  
I had a awful experience buying a Federal Q siren from a US seller who atvertised "shipping anywhere in the US included". I paid $750 and instructed it to be sent to a US address.  The UPS driver dropped the  box and damaged it and when I phoned UPS to complain they told me that the only person who could collect damages was the sender (not me).  The sender would not respond to any phone calls or emails and eBay resolution center is all computer generated and has a $ limit for damages and a fee for this service.  Buyer beware!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Aruba:  Tuberculosis in the hospital  

ARUBA – A case of tuberculosis (tbc) was detected in the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH).  The patient in question was in the Medium Care ward of the hospital for two weeks mid October. <snipped>
Tbc is a contagious infection disease, caused by the mycobacterium tuberculosis.  It is being spread by particles in the air coming from the coughing or sneezing of a patient.  Most of the time, tbc starts in the lungs, but can spread to other organs.  Harms explained that Aruba runs a high risk of getting tbc cases on the island.  “Colombia, Venezuela, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic are risk countries.  It is impossible to test everybody for tbc that comes to Aruba from these countries.  The HOH does therefore an internal medical check, which revealed open tbc”, said Harms.
This is the second time this year that tbc was detected in the HOH. The first time was in July.  

MRSA
Harms also indicated that the Meticilline Resistente Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA) bacterium is around.  He immediately emphasized that this bacteria has nothing to do with tbc.  MRSA was detected in the Intensive Care Unit last week.  The patients that were in ICU, had to be quarantined.  The unit was immediately closed and disinfected. The persons that have been in contact with these patients were also treated.
MRSA is a bacterium that is insensitive to most saleable antibiotic.  This disease is therefore difficult to control.  MRSA infection is dangerous for people with serious low resistance.  MRSA is a big threat for a hospital.


LMAO.  MRSA is methycillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus.  Whose legs are these clowns trying to pull now?  Stupid is as stupid does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?


i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)

I thought that's what Florida said??  right?  Not KBM.


Reading back... what if they used this as part of the cover up?  What if they put a Natalee look alike there and Florida thinks they saw Natalee? But it wasn't her?  At this point, I wouldn't find that too far fetched....

BTW< MORNING Y'ALL


I think we should all be a little reluctant to believe some posters' integrity, not that we have not seen this before, but Julia Renfro is probably up to having new people represent her point of view and mislead.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Example:  I bought a beautiful platter for $3.50 CDN at my local thrift shop that photographed it , wrote the description, made the listing and sold it for $50 US.  Then I had to find a suitable box with all the bubblewrap and styrafoam peanuts to pack it in, then drive to the post  office to get the cost of shipping it to the US, then send that info to the buyer, wait for payment and go back to the post office to send it.   I would have done better selling it at a yard sale or taking it to my local antique store.  
I had a awful experience buying a Federal Q siren from a US seller who atvertised "shipping anywhere in the US included". I paid $750 and instructed it to be sent to a US address.  The UPS driver dropped the  box and damaged it and when I phoned UPS to complain they told me that the only person who could collect damages was the sender (not me).  The sender would not respond to any phone calls or emails and eBay resolution center is all computer generated and has a $ limit for damages and a fee for this service.  Buyer beware!


I don't think the casual seller is the one making money on E-Bay.  I think it is the professional who has turned his brick and mortar to the internet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 10:10:20 AM
Tyler-

I tend to agree with you that new posters might well be posting with scripts from our friend Renfro?

As for eBay I will say this, my daughter re-sells all of her college textbooks on Amazon now. Don't know how many of you are aware of this but it's not unusual for one semester's textbooks to average $500+ at public universities also? Anyway, the bookstores on campus offer these kids pennies on the dollar to buy them back, so she discovered using media rate from the post office, she could sell/ship for under $4 per book.

Maybe there is a budding business in that? Students surely would rather make a dime back per dollar than pennies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:21:47 AM
Posted by Viet Vet on the front page:

#97 and #98…My friends and I spent most of last summer in Aruba looking for Natalee and/or what happened to Natalee. We are the people who found the tape showing J2K did NOT bring Natalee back to Holiday Inn. After giving a copy to ALE, J2K changed their story. Every time we uncovered anything about the case and gave the EVIDENCE to ALE, it got lost, or was not important. Joran even told the head master at the International School, something bad happened. So if all and I mean ALL evidence points to them and them only, we will have to continue to watch them, monitor them, and finally someone will tell. If someone else is guilty, which story do you believe from the J2K group? Why all the lies for PJ2K,and why does Dompig agree with us? I always considered the Dutch as intelligent people, so enlighten us as to what leads you to believe the PJ2K story, or better said: stories? ALE tried to keep the family totally in the dark during the whole process. That was to get more time to cover-up. So??? What can you tell us to make us think different. I am very open to suggestions and Gret, I ask you, prove us wrong. Gret, do you know something we do not know? You folks wouldn’t try to mislead us now, would you? As to the fate of Aruba, they put themselves in this position and they will have to pull themselves out of it. In the Southern portion of the USA, we say “don’t wee-wee on our backs and tell us it’s raining” Trying to keep it clean here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:25:10 AM
hello


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 10:28:46 AM
i had a professor that wrote a book and demanded that all the students
buy it for HIS class

i never bought it, i told him nicely to go pound sand  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
hello

Goodmorning KBM


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:33:24 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
hello

Goodmorning KBM

Did you already found some interesting things today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
hello

Goodmorning KBM

Did you already found some interesting things today?

 :lol: Nothing interresting yet today.  It's early for me, I'm on the west coast.  Still on my first cup of coffee, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: "robots"
i had a professor that wrote a book and demanded that all the students
buy it for HIS class

i never bought it, i told him nicely to go pound sand  :twisted:

Exactly what I would have said. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
hello

Goodmorning KBM

Did you already found some interesting things today?

 :lol: Nothing interresting yet today.  It's early for me, I'm on the west coast.  Still on my first cup of coffee, lol  :lol:

ooh okeej


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:38:27 AM
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: terryd270 on October 25, 2006, 10:39:44 AM
Just stopping by to say hi!  It's been kinda nice down here weather wise for the last couple of days and I'm enjoying it.. I don't think it matters that there is enough circumstantial evidence to sink that island of Aruba, they will ignore it..  So to prove another lie or add upon all the lies that have been uncovered doesn't seemed to matter..  I just want that whole island to sink to the bottom of the sea..  They can't hurt Natalee anymore and I'm pretty sure that nothing that island can do now can hurt Natalee's family.. I don't get excited about new investigators or new witnesses, I only care to hear about the drop in timeshares and tourist..  I off to enjoy the weather and everyone have a good day..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no

Colegio Arubano would have been my next guess.  What does "havo" mean?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no

Colegio Arubano would have been my next guess.  What does "havo" mean?

Havo (hoger algemeen voortgezet onderwijs) i think its something like hs


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:46:23 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no

Colegio Arubano would have been my next guess.  What does "havo" mean?

Havo (hoger algemeen voortgezet onderwijs) i think its something like hs


Roughly translated:

higher commonly continued education

So it's more like continued education than high school.  In the USA we would not consider that still being in high school.  We would consider it maybe a Jr. College?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: terryd270 on October 25, 2006, 10:47:47 AM
I need some coffee, so maybe a ride to Starbucks might work..  I think I need to learn to not offer to do things for people.. My friend that I played tennis with last night is going to Columbia, SA for 12 days and I told him I would drive him down to Miami and pick him up and also feed his pets for him.. His ex_gf told him that she too was going to be out of town, so I felt bad and offered.. See you later alligators!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no

Colegio Arubano would have been my next guess.  What does "havo" mean?

Havo (hoger algemeen voortgezet onderwijs) i think its something like hs


Roughly translated:

higher commonly continued education

So it's more like continued education than high school.  In the USA we would not consider that still being in high school.  We would consider it maybe a Jr. College?

yeh possible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:50:20 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?

no i dont know who was driving it. but didnt "lorenzo" owned it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 10:51:05 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?

no i dont know who was driving it. but didnt "lorenzo" owned it?


but, who's lorenzo?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?

no i dont know who was driving it. but didnt "lorenzo" owned it?


but, who's lorenzo?

hehe i dont know...maybe klaas knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P


do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?

no i dont know who was driving it. but didnt "lorenzo" owned it?


but, who's lorenzo?

hehe i dont know...maybe klaas knows?


could "lorenzo" be someone's nickname?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:53:43 AM
KBM - We have been told this is Lorenzo's van.  You say it has big speakers.  Did you see who was driving the van?  Thanks!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/piwannabee6fqcopy.jpg)

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Lorenzosvan-fullshot.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 25, 2006, 10:54:52 AM
"After the beach..."

*************************************************

From LCD 535, pp's 43 & 44.  Florida posts:

@1:33 am

Hiram saw Natalee from his window....Into his neighbor's house.

@1:38 am

If Hiram saw Natalee after the beach....She must have been alive.......

@1:42 am (Hiram's neighbors)

Either Michael Posner or Louis Posner........Hiram is between them.

@1:44 am (AZLady: Did Hiram tell the polis...)  

No.

@2:03 am  (AZLady: How many people know that Hiram saw Natalee...)

Very few....Me, someone & ROY.
[/b]

*************************************************

Steve Croes also said he saw Natalee "after" the beach.  But his story included the HI drop off and walkie-talkie carrying security guards.

All of this is interesting.  But how does Jan van der Straaten know to relay -- however indiscreetly --  to Paulus that Natalee was alive "after the beach" and had been sighted and that's why after their first round of questioning, the boys are not questioned again.  From Paulus' statement:

....From what little information I got from Jan van der STRATEN, I got some hope that the girl was seen after she was dropped off at the Holiday Inn. He did not say this in so many words but I took that as an explanation as to why the boys weren't asked to give further statements to the police...."

Or is this Paulus and van der Straaten creating the false witness story for Steve Croes (or Hiram)?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - We have been told this is Lorenzo's van.  You say it has big speakers.  Did you see who was driving the van?  Thanks!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/piwannabee6fqcopy.jpg)

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Lorenzosvan-fullshot.jpg)

no, i think i saw it like 2years ago or something :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 10:56:52 AM
Good morning.

kbm, are you at school, now?  If so, I guess you are multi-tasking like some here who work and lurk/post.   :)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:57:01 AM
HAMMER - Very possible another false witness story.  Hiram is a friend of Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 10:57:14 AM
looks like JORANSTEIN driving the van  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 10:57:26 AM
kbm - do you recognize the driver of the van in klaas' picture?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 10:57:47 AM
KBM - thanks for your answer regarding the van, much appreciated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 10:59:12 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good morning.

kbm, are you at school, now?  If so, I guess you are multi-tasking like some here who work and lurk/post.   :)  :wink:

no im at home:P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 11:00:57 AM
Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: "San"
Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).

wow man u asked if i saw  the van...and yeh i saw the van twice driving. i dont know all the thing about the car man.
(but i dont think there was video in it)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:04:46 AM
kbm -- who do you know best out of Joran, Deepak and Satish?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
kbm -- who do you know best out of Joran, Deepak and Satish?

uhm i think joran why?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 11:05:40 AM
Good Morning Monks!!  Just catching up reading, and also working and lurking.

Welcome kbm.**waving**   If this has been asked, I apologize - but do you know the Kalpoes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:06:32 AM
and oh, kbm - the reason I asked about the driver of the van because, at least in that picture, it really looks like Joran's father, Paulus, to me ... thanks for answering about the van, though   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:07:12 AM
I did a little snooping last night on google and found a NYSusan58 as a member of SnapStream Forums where she claimed her age was 48 (this was in 2005).  SnapStream Forums is a discussion list for those interested in media delivered over computers.  I have a hard time believing Florida is everything she/he claims to be or knows everything she knows.  I need BOC's box of salt.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Good Morning Monks!!  Just catching up reading, and also working and lurking.

Welcome kbm.**waving**   If this has been asked, I apologize - but do you know the Kalpoes?

uhm i think its better if you all  research like in another way.
not whos knows who


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 11:08:30 AM
the van has a naked woman painted on the side of the van  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:08:32 AM
What direction would be the best for us to research?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:09:02 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Good Morning Monks!!  Just catching up reading, and also working and lurking.

Welcome kbm.**waving**   If this has been asked, I apologize - but do you know the Kalpoes?

uhm i think its better if you all  research like in another way.
not whos knows who


was just curious ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
and oh, kbm - the reason I asked about the driver of the van because, at least in that picture, it really looks like Joran's father, Paulus, to me ... thanks for answering about the van, though   :D

well in my opinion the driver is 100% not joran's father


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:09:49 AM
KBM - over the last almost 18 months we have researched in every possible direction, unfortunately everything comes back to Joran and the Kalpoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 11:10:52 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Good Morning Monks!!  Just catching up reading, and also working and lurking.

Welcome kbm.**waving**   If this has been asked, I apologize - but do you know the Kalpoes?

uhm i think its better if you all  research like in another way.
not whos knows who


Fair enough.  I understand if there are some questions you don't want to answer.  We are throwing alot out there to you.  Thank you for answering.  We are quite a curious group of monkeys! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
and oh, kbm - the reason I asked about the driver of the van because, at least in that picture, it really looks like Joran's father, Paulus, to me ... thanks for answering about the van, though   :D

well in my opinion the driver is 100% not joran's father


probably not, but you have to admit that it looks a bit like him ...  :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:15:08 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
and oh, kbm - the reason I asked about the driver of the van because, at least in that picture, it really looks like Joran's father, Paulus, to me ... thanks for answering about the van, though   :D

well in my opinion the driver is 100% not joran's father


probably not, but you have to admit that it looks a bit like him ...  :shock:  :lol:

he's also white hehe, but i dont think a "judge" drives car like that. and i think its someone between 20-30yrs because thats the driving style of those ppl. (the hand a top of the steerwheel)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


Let's hope then that Peter R. de Vries looks into every possibility then.  I hear he's not affraid of anyone and digs deep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


Do you mean americans in Aruba or any american who may have been there at the time?  Of course I will respect your view.  We NEED different views to be able to get to the bottom of this!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:17:33 AM
kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


Let's hope then that Peter R. de Vries looks into every possibility then.  I hear he's not affraid of anyone and digs deep.

yeh thats true, i saw some of his programs in holland and he's pretty good. but sometimes he can be brutal to some suspects.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k


ok; but what if j2k were the first part of what happened to Natalee?  What if she ended up with someone else; someone they dropped her off with.  Is that a possibility?  even if it's an American on the island


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?

no i really dont think that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k


KBM - let me make this clear

#1  Natalee's family wants answers
#2  If the FBI thought it at all possible that someone in the US was responsible the family would not be accusing JK2
#3  The FBI has interviewed the MB kids that were on the trip - there is no indication that anyone in the USA is involved in any way
#4  Joran is the last known person to have seen Natalee alive.  Joran has lied and continues to lie about what happened that night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k


ok; but what if j2k were the first part of what happened to Natalee?  What if she ended up with someone else; someone they dropped her off with.  Is that a possibility?  even if it's an American on the island

maybe someone took her when joran left her at the beach.
And then it looks like he's (joran) the last one who saw her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?

no i really dont think that


I wonder why they lied so much then.  They must know it would get them in very serious trouble.  It seems they were more afraid of what would happen if they told the truth, so they lied and continue to maintain the lies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:24:11 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?

no i really dont think that


I wonder why they lied so much then.  They must know it would get them in very serious trouble.  It seems they were more afraid of what would happen if they told the truth, so they lied and continue to maintain the lies.

yeh but i think joran now told the truth an everything he knows


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?

no i really dont think that


I wonder why they lied so much then.  They must know it would get them in very serious trouble.  It seems they were more afraid of what would happen if they told the truth, so they lied and continue to maintain the lies.

yeh but i think joran now told the truth an everything he knows


so, what's the deal with Joran losing his shoes?  Why did he say he wore size 14 (is that right), when it's actually 10-1/2.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:26:57 AM
i dunno


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 11:27:03 AM
kbm, why do you now think Joran has told the truth?  Did you always believe him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:27:07 AM
I wonder then why Joran and the Kalpoes cannot agree on how he got home that night or what time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).

wow man u asked if i saw  the van...and yeh i saw the van twice driving. i dont know all the thing about the car man.
(but i dont think there was video in it)


You saw the van twice driving and you do not know anything about the owner but you do not think there was video in it.  Why would you conclude based on your supposed lack of knowledge about the van or its driver that there was no video in it?  Are you also psychic?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:28:13 AM
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:29:08 AM
You see, kbm, we don't believe Joran now because we know he lies, and parts of his story just do not agree with other people's story, like the Kalpoes.  

There were many people at the beach that night and no one saw Joran or Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2006, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)



are all of you monkey's blind?.....HELLO. Been reading back.....I smell something nasty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).

wow man u asked if i saw  the van...and yeh i saw the van twice driving. i dont know all the thing about the car man.
(but i dont think there was video in it)


You saw the van twice driving and you do not know anything about the owner but you do not think there was video in it.  Why would you conclude based on your supposed lack of knowledge about the van or its driver that there was no video in it?  Are you also psychic?

 i saw the van driving with the slide door open, and i didnt saw a video


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:31:27 AM
and I'm curious, kbm, if teenagers would text message each other saying, "I'm home."  Joran did that supposedly to Deepak after Joran supposedly walked home 2 miles in bare feet.  I've been to Aruba, and I don't think I'd want to walk barefoot on the streets!  I wouldn't want to do that where I live, and there's no cactus here!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"

Depends upon who you ask.  My answer would be no.  Reports very early in the case, like June 2nd even had all 3 saying they had sex with Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 11:32:04 AM
Well, good morning to you, Nut44X4.....I'm legally blind, but that doesn't make you smarter. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:32:39 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


Yes, the tape aired on Dr. Phil was edited.  All audio and video shown on TV is edited for various reasons.  The shows do attempt to maintain the essential content of the tape, however.  

None of us have seen or heard the original tape that Skeeter made as it is in the possession of the FBI.  Natalee's parents have heard it and we believe what they told us they heard.  We have no reason not to believe them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
and I'm curious, kbm, if teenagers would text message each other saying, "I'm home."  Joran did that supposedly to Deepak after Joran supposedly walked home 2 miles in bare feet.  I've been to Aruba, and I don't think I'd want to walk barefoot on the streets!  I wouldn't want to do that where I live, and there's no cactus here!! :D

well i did it a couple of times


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
and I'm curious, kbm, if teenagers would text message each other saying, "I'm home."  Joran did that supposedly to Deepak after Joran supposedly walked home 2 miles in bare feet.  I've been to Aruba, and I don't think I'd want to walk barefoot on the streets!  I wouldn't want to do that where I live, and there's no cactus here!! :D

well i did it a couple of times


which?  the TM or walking?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


No that is not true... I have heard the version from the hard drive... with NO edits...

I know that you probably want to believe your friend... but don't let your sister date him....

and if you came to the US and someone killed you would you want us to say that your mother did it??? I don't think so, so please understand why we get upset about all the lies that your friend is telling.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:35:40 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


No that is not true... I have heard the version from the hard drive... with NO edits...

I know that you probably want to believe your friend... but don't let your sister date him....

and if you came to the US and someone killed you would you want us to say that your mother did it??? I don't think so, so please understand why we get upset about all the lies that your friend is telling.


I stand corrected.  Mrs. Red has heard the original tape.  However, most of the Monkeys here have not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


Yes, the tape aired on Dr. Phil was edited.  All audio and video shown on TV is edited for various reasons.  The shows do attempt to maintain the essential content of the tape, however.  

None of us have seen or heard the original tape that Skeeter made as it is in the possession of the FBI.  Natalee's parents have heard it and we believe what they told us they heard.  We have no reason not to believe them.

yeh its true you have no reason not to believe them. but  "if" nats parents would lie (dont ask why)  then you would just believe it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
and I'm curious, kbm, if teenagers would text message each other saying, "I'm home."  Joran did that supposedly to Deepak after Joran supposedly walked home 2 miles in bare feet.  I've been to Aruba, and I don't think I'd want to walk barefoot on the streets!  I wouldn't want to do that where I live, and there's no cactus here!! :D

well i did it a couple of times


which?  the TM or walking?

walking


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


Yes, the tape aired on Dr. Phil was edited.  All audio and video shown on TV is edited for various reasons.  The shows do attempt to maintain the essential content of the tape, however.  

None of us have seen or heard the original tape that Skeeter made as it is in the possession of the FBI.  Natalee's parents have heard it and we believe what they told us they heard.  We have no reason not to believe them.

yeh its true you have no reason not to believe them. but  "if" nats parents would lie (dont ask why)  then you would just believe it

What reason would Natalee's parents have to lie?  They were not in Aruba when Natalee disappeared.  They are victims not suspects.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"


Yes, the tape aired on Dr. Phil was edited.  All audio and video shown on TV is edited for various reasons.  The shows do attempt to maintain the essential content of the tape, however.  

None of us have seen or heard the original tape that Skeeter made as it is in the possession of the FBI.  Natalee's parents have heard it and we believe what they told us they heard.  We have no reason not to believe them.

yeh its true you have no reason not to believe them. but  "if" nats parents would lie (dont ask why)  then you would just believe it


Absolutely not.  You see, we use logic and common sense and research and other documentation to verify what we are told.  Natalee's parents have NEVER lied to us.  Everything they say has been verified and proven to be truthful.  Unfortunately, when someone lies once or twice, then we lose trust in them and can't believe anything they say unless they prove it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 11:38:28 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).

wow man u asked if i saw  the van...and yeh i saw the van twice driving. i dont know all the thing about the car man.
(but i dont think there was video in it)


You saw the van twice driving and you do not know anything about the owner but you do not think there was video in it.  Why would you conclude based on your supposed lack of knowledge about the van or its driver that there was no video in it?  Are you also psychic?

 i saw the van driving with the slide door open, and i didnt saw a video


The video would have been visible driving by with a slide door open, if the video was in the front?  I am sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.  Perhaps I just don't want to be a windmill.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:39:04 AM
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)

No, that is not true.  We have looked at everything and come BACK to JK2.  Everything leads BACK to JK2.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 11:41:24 AM
so, Joran's TM to Deepak "I'm home", is odd? -- that's to kbm - I think it's odd


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


Who else did ALE look at besides j2k?  I recall they took statements from others...is that not true?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:44:26 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


We also wondered if Koen and Sander and their father were involved somehow.  We wondered if their boat was used to take Natalee's body out to the ocean.  What do you think?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:45:33 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her


Correct.  And if they simply left her somewhere, alive and healthy, then why did they lie and do they still lie about the events that night?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


We also wondered if Koen and Sander and their father were involved somehow.  We wondered if their boat was used to take Natalee's body out to the ocean.  What do you think?

well i dont think so.
maybe somebody more proffesional did this. it could be a aruban or someone else


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her


Yes, Joran, the last person who saw her and if not Joran, one of his comrades, and Joran knows who that is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:46:50 AM
Why did Deepak tell Joran that "if they find the girl" he would be doing 15 years in KIA?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:47:13 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her


Correct.  And if they simply left her somewhere, alive and healthy, then why did they lie and do they still lie about the events that night?

because they were scared and didnt know what was happening :?  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her


Yes, Joran, the last person who saw her and if not Joran, one of his comrades, and Joran knows who that is.

do u know that 100%?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.


I agree with AZLady - We HAVE looked at other possibilities.  IN THE VERY LEAST, J2K KNOW MORE THAN THEY ARE TELLING.

All roads have lead back to the 3 boys.  If this investigation DOES need to go in another direction, those 3 hold the key.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:48:55 AM
Well, I would hope they are still scared and that might explain why they are still lying?   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:50:31 AM
Is Joran still friends with Deepak and Satish?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:50:59 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Well, I would hope they are still scared and that might explain why they are still lying?   :roll:

maybe now it are more the attorneys who do everything.
(and j2k are not friends anymore, so maybe they lie so that the other gets all the problems)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:52:11 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Well, I would hope they are still scared and that might explain why they are still lying?   :roll:

maybe now it are more the attorneys who do everything.
(and j2k are not friends anymore, so maybe they lie so that the other gets all the problems)


But if none of them did anything to her, wouldn't they be free and clear of problems if they all told the truth -- the same truth?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 11:52:15 AM
brb


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


We also wondered if Koen and Sander and their father were involved somehow.  We wondered if their boat was used to take Natalee's body out to the ocean.  What do you think?

well i dont think so.
maybe somebody more proffesional did this. it could be a aruban or someone else


Back to Peter R. de Vries.  Hopefully he can turn something up that others haven't been able to.  

However, from those who have spoken to the De Vries people, it sounds like he is directing his investigation on the premise that Joran did something to harm Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
What direction would be the best for us to research?

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)


do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k


ok; but what if j2k were the first part of what happened to Natalee?  What if she ended up with someone else; someone they dropped her off with.  Is that a possibility?  even if it's an American on the island

maybe someone took her when joran left her at the beach.
And then it looks like he's (joran) the last one who saw her.



Why dont you tell Joran to come here and talk to us?  Tell him we will be civil and not too harsh with him


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 11:56:20 AM
Greetings...

For the sake of arguement let's for a moment discount anything that the Twitties/Holloways have said and for that matter what Mr. and Mrs. Van Der Sloot have said.

Pretend you are looking at this case for the first time....
NH vanished and the 3 were the last to be seen with her.

I don't care how scared they were, they lied from the beginning.
You can' be scared and still tell the truth.


While under arrest one of the suspects made a confession and was to lead authorities to the body of natalee.

Confession recanted, or thrown out as inadmissable and all eventually walk.

ALE did a less than stellar job at investiging.


Common sense would lead a reasonable person to believe that at the very least these young men know what happened to this girl and could very well be responsible for what happened.

I don't buy the "bogeyman" theory that someone just came along after Joran left her on the beach.

I think the three bogeymen have all ready been identified.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 25, 2006, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Well, good morning to you, Nut44X4.....I'm legally blind, but that doesn't make you smarter. :wink:


I do not think I said I was smarter.....and I knew when I posted what the reaction would be to my comments....I have no clue why I even bother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 11:59:34 AM
The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:01:48 PM
Geez, why am I nekky all of a sudden?  I can't see me!!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:01:54 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.

I actually think they are affraid of the de Vries investigation.  From what I hear this guy goes after anyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Geez, why am I nekky all of a sudden?  I can't see me!!  :lol:

I don't know but I can't see you either  :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.

I actually think they are affraid of the de Vries investigation.  From what I hear this guy goes after anyone.


Yes, that's my impression, too.  All these people who are saying they just want the truth to come out and the case solved seem to be very leery of the de Vries investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.

I actually think they are affraid of the de Vries investigation.  From what I hear this guy goes after anyone.


Yes, that's my impression, too.  All these people who are saying they just want the truth to come out and the case solved seem to be very leery of the de Vries investigation.

Yep..they are scared.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)


I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her

kbm who do you think could have done something to Natalee after Joran left her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:05:32 PM
Whew!  I'm back.  Must have just been a burp.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:05:41 PM
kbm - can you answer my question?  Will you ask Joran to come here and talk to us?  He can clear alot of stuff up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:05:47 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:06:26 PM
No, I'm not back.  Durn.  Something must be up with the server.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:07:05 PM
Morning, Anna.  Such a cheerful greeting!  I can see me now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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backatcha !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:07:50 PM
Blah, I think he's gone.  Hopefully, he'll answer you when he comes back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 25, 2006, 12:08:27 PM
Why They Lie, and continue to lie...

AZLady writes: "Correct. And if they simply left her somewhere, alive and healthy, then why did they lie and do they still lie about the events that night?"

kbm writes: "because they were scared and didnt know what was happening "


You know, I could actually believe that within the first hour or so, 3 "scared" young men might lie.

But after that?  

Let's get real.  This isn't a school yard game where kids make up stories about each other.  This isn't some pansy-assed high school test cheating, so they were scared.

So let's get real.  This is "MURDER."  Nearly EVERYONE detained and arrested in this case has been suspected of murder, or being complicit in murder -- and that's what the POLIS say.

If you, kbm, think these 3 did not harm Natalee and that someone else did, and you base this on your believe that after the beach episode, some third party came along and "disappeared" a breathing, living human being, then I think it would be reasonable to expect you to explain WHY you think that.

"Scared" doesn't cut it in a murder investigation.

All 3 have lied repeatedly.  REPEATEDLY.  None of their stories match.  ANd they continue to lie.  And none of them have provided a corroborated alibi for any of the key times and events.  NO alibi whatsoever.

If they were so scared, and if what you think is true, then each of the 3 would have a matching story, describing events in detail and "naming names."  This would get them off the hook.  Further, it would point to another more culpable party.

But don't you get it?  They already tried this and it failed.  The security guards were set up by deepak and satish's witness statements.  And that didn't work.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 12:09:22 PM
Well, Monkey friends, I have to get some work done today.  So, I'll keep the Monkey screen on the desktop and check back in from time to time.  The students are calling me...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.

I actually think they are affraid of the de Vries investigation.  From what I hear this guy goes after anyone.


Yes, that's my impression, too.  All these people who are saying they just want the truth to come out and the case solved seem to be very leery of the de Vries investigation.

Yep..they are scared.


Oh I very much agree.  They aught to be scared.  From what I gather, DeVries doesn't care who he offends, pisses off etc.  He will find out alot because he is a familiar person to them.  Perhaps he can get people to talk who where afraid to in the past because they didn't trust foreigners, nor did they trust ALE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 12:12:39 PM
I guess kbm checking with soi.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:13:09 PM
I do hope when KBM returns he will read that we have also looked at the possibility of the insurance fraud thing and that is impossible to do because the insurance industry maintains a huge data base of policies written and paid and it is available to all insurance brokers and law enforcement.  They had no policy at all is my understanding.

Also we have considered someone of the MB kids being involved but they could never pull off the total disappearance and would not know the island or what to do.  No one was particularly interested in Natalee nor she in them enough to evoke that strong of emotion, etc.  They would do it at home where they would be on familiar turf.

But I know I have looked at everybody I can think of including the MB students, Marcia Twitty, the parents, the step-parents, etc. and it always comes right back to Joran and Dennis Jacobs telling Dave that drinks are drugged at Carlos and Charlies and to be careful.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
Maybe it a new 'nic' -- but it's the same old tired lies.

he-he


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 12:14:57 PM
I wonder how many boxes of frosted flakes they had to eat before they made up all the lies that came out of aruba.  It must have made Kellogg very, very happy.  Aren't they made in Michigan, the state where SOI lives?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Maybe it a new 'nic' -- but it's the same old tired lies.

he-he


Well I think it's good when they come out of the wood work and lie like rugs...means something is working... maybe it's DeVries, that is driving the fear.....



and i see MY SISTAH!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:15:30 PM
11/1 is a week away....

De Vries show probably won't air until later in November, right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
I wonder how many boxes of frosted flakes they had to eat before they made up all the lies that came out of aruba.  It must have made Kellogg very, very happy.  Aren't they made in Michigan, the state where SOI lives?


Yep, Battle Creek MI

About 2 hours from me :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"

Well I think it's good when they come out of the wood work and lie like rugs...means something is working... maybe it's DeVries, that is driving the fear.....


and i see MY SISTAH!!!!!!!


100% agree.

You're just more patient than I.

I've ALREADY heard these lies -- at least they could come up with a few new ones. Show a little creativity.

I think there's still a lot of wiggle room left in the 'she was abducted by aliens' theory :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:19:13 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
11/1 is a week away....

De Vries show probably won't air until later in November, right?

That's what it looks like to me, that the De Vries show would be late November at the earliest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 25, 2006, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
11/1 is a week away....

De Vries show probably won't air until later in November, right?

That's what it looks like to me, that the De Vries show would be late November at the earliest.


11/1 has to do with Paulus & $, do I have that right, as well?   Just thinking about who, what, where & when.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
[
Oh I very much agree.  They aught to be scared.  From what I gather, DeVries doesn't care who he offends, pisses off etc.  He will find out alot because he is a familiar person to them.  Perhaps he can get people to talk who where afraid to in the past because they didn't trust foreigners, nor did they trust ALE


You are right Kimmy and I always read your posts.  Something is stirring the pot for we jave JORAN.ANGRY! closing his MySpace, Hiram seeing Natalee at Posners and new posters.  

Witches have been known to stir pots!  Klaas were there any other familiar names registered with that modeling agency?  It looks like a more classy one than Guido's.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thwitch.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 12:29:20 PM
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 12:29:43 PM
I think we know a witch who deals with models.  Hmmm.  A witch who has a magazine for brides and models.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 12:30:09 PM
Full Moon isn't until November 5th.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:30:52 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:31:40 PM
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "mrs. red"

Well I think it's good when they come out of the wood work and lie like rugs...means something is working... maybe it's DeVries, that is driving the fear.....


and i see MY SISTAH!!!!!!!


100% agree.

You're just more patient than I.

I've ALREADY heard these lies -- at least they could come up with a few new ones. Show a little creativity.

I think there's still a lot of wiggle room left in the 'she was abducted by aliens' theory :wink:


 
Aruba thinks that if they can just keep telling the same tired old lie... the one created by who - Julia? ATA? - that eventually someone will believe it and then it will be back to business at hand...

they don't understand our system though.... the boycott isn't offical it's more like the everyday person saying I am not going there it's not safe... and of course all of those that write on our money... to boycott the island of aruba.... that will never let it go away until they 'fess up....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "sharon"
Maybe it a new 'nic' -- but it's the same old tired lies.

he-he


Well I think it's good when they come out of the wood work and lie like rugs...means something is working... maybe it's DeVries, that is driving the fear.....



and i see MY SISTAH!!!!!!!


And My Sistah!
Always can count on you for a friendly hello!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:32:36 PM
I like to think of it as the Bushy Haired Stranger as have read that is what cops call it when somebody claims a person unknown does the crime.  Very common claim among the guilty.  Total strangers involved instead of the ones who really were.

So would this mean that in the course of one evening a female in Aruba would encounter not one but two predators?  That place sounds worse all the time!

The fishermen did not see anybody abducting Natalee.

They also did not see Natalee and Joran on the beach and oddly enough, neither did anybody else on the face of the earth.  Joran said they walked past other tourists but they would have come forward I do believe by now.

Same stuff but let's be patient and go over it all again and see if we can convey that we have looked in MB and so have the FBI and there was no insurance and we are not boycotting because of anything Beth has said and it certainly has nothing to do with Dr. Phil as many Arubans seem to think.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:33:34 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:34:31 PM
The truth is out there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 12:34:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.

yeh me2


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 12:35:49 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Did you ace them?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.

yeh me2


so are you going to tell him to come talk to us or not?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:38:42 PM
KBM,

You do understand that it is easy to verify if they had insurance on Natalee as it is required to be registered in a national data base on all policies that the insurance industry maintains?

They didn't have any at all.  I think it was really mean of Chief Dompig to say he was checking that and thought this was a scam by the parents.  They did this to the decries of Michigan, too.  Would you want this done to your parents if you disappeared?

We do not boycott because Beth says or Dr Phil but because our conscience tells us this is wrong and to do so.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.

yeh me2


so are you going to tell him to come talk to us or not?


Hi blah...

Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:41:16 PM
if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 12:41:57 PM
KBM - just out of curiosity, do you know Freddy Arambatzis?  Do you have any idea why Joran, Deepak and Satish would be returning Freddy's camera to him per Satish's June 24th statement?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=374


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

then he has to get prove

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.

yeh me2


so are you going to tell him to come talk to us or not?


Hi blah...

Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:


are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: "robots"
if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie


agreement.

Like your avatar... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: Jacqueline
Quote from: "robots"
if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie


agreement.

Like your avatar... :wink:[/quote


so, you like ROBOTS too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:43:54 PM
[quote="blah
Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:[/quote]

are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?[/quote]

Oh I didn't say that .
i would love to~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
[quote="blah
Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:


are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?[/quote]

Oh I didn't say that .
i would love to~[/quote]

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: robots
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "robots"
if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie


agreement.

Like your avatar... :wink:[/quote


so, you like ROBOTS too


Ever since Lost In Space.... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: Jacqueline
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "robots"
if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie


agreement.

Like your avatar... :wink:[/quote


so, you like ROBOTS too


Ever since Lost In Space.... :lol:


robots are cool

i guess im cool  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...


My Sweet None.... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 12:47:20 PM
[quote="robots

so, you like ROBOTS too[/quote]

Ever since Lost In Space.... :lol:[/quote]

robots are cool

i guess im cool  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:[/quote]

R U kidding...

We all know you Rock!  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:47:38 PM
We have all had that most painful of surgeries, the opening of the eyes and know to exercise due diligence.   :(   It worries me that the people of Aruba do not seem to get as much information about this as we do.  Seems they are more or less given the ALE version and that's about it.

I doubt they know that from all I have read and heard, the FBI verified Skeeters hard drive and very oddly the only tape that is any different is the one in the hands of ALE.  Nice try but no cigar!

And the other things said other than the one sentence in question are equally telling such as Deepak saying if he knew where the BODY was he would have told long ago, etc.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...


WICKED funny -

are you from New Hampshire or somthing?:lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:49:04 PM
im not saying that k2 and Joran are real smart but they are deceptive
and creeepy and slick and slimy  8)

i have to wonder if the whole CLEANing of the car was "SHOW TIME"

i think Natalee was in another vehicle at some point and the cleaning of the KREEP KAR   <--------k2 car was jus tall a dog and pony show


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: "robots"
[
robots are cool

i guess im cool  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


And sweeter than Tupelo Honey!   :wink:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 12:51:31 PM
Have a good day, Monkeys.  TTYL.  Have to get going before the life is over and I missed it.  Check with you before Christmas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 25, 2006, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
We have all had that most painful of surgeries, the opening of the eyes and know to exercise due diligence.   :(   It worries me that the people of Aruba do not seem to get as much information about this as we do.  Seems they are more or less given the ALE version and that's about it.

I doubt they know that from all I have read and heard, the FBI verified Skeeters hard drive and very oddly the only tape that is any different is the one in the hands of ALE.  Nice try but no cigar!

And the other things said other than the one sentence in question are equally telling such as Deepak saying if he knew where the BODY was he would have told long ago, etc.

.


Oh yes, but I think that the people of Aruba mistrust us "Americans" as much as we mistrust ALE.  They are spoon fed what the powers that be want them to know and nothing more.  They have a lie and counter lie for every truth we know.  I am just hopeful that there are those who question and are able to think for themselves, not just believe everything they are told.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: msmarple on October 25, 2006, 12:52:45 PM
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 12:53:47 PM
ok all you jokesters, get in here and post something funny (and dont dare just write "something funny")

I stared it off with a couple.....

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=474


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 12:53:50 PM
KBM
Maybe if you are still here or will answer later.
Please understand this...all of us here and even those that have left have looked at just about everything under the sun to find out what happened to Natalee.  What I want you to do, if you truly believe that Joran and the Kalpoes are not guilty of anything is this... SHOW US! That is all I have ever asked of anyone that claims that someone else is involved or that she was left sleeping on the beach.  Just explain all the inconsistencies in the Kalpoes statements and Joran's.  Explain why Paulus contradicts  his own claims in his statements.  The stories are not matching up for anyone that is innocent.  I am very willing to entertain the thought that others were involved, just need to SEE it with my own eyes.  

Tell me where the proof of innocence of the suspects is here?  I am waiting, really I am...I just want you to backup what you say with proof that there is absolutely no way that Joran and the others are not involved.  Explain why van der Straaten claimed to have seen evidence that Natalee was dead.  Explain why the prosecutor charged people with premeditated murder and heavy battery.  All I want is for someone to convince me WITH PROOF.  

Explain to me why if you are from a well to do family on the island and surely you must know some of these people.  We have seen the photos of the people you are with in them...surely you know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.  He is from a well to do family also.  Surely you know who this Hiram guy must be, it is a small island.  Doesn't everyone down there know everyone else?  I find it impossible, after all this time and if you read here often, that you can not explain all these things to us or can't find out anything from those on the island.  

I appreciate your input and want to be convinced that there are other people involved in this besides Joran, Paulus and the usual suspects.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
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robots are cool

i guess im cool  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


And sweeter than Tupelo Honey!   :wink:

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 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"

Hi blah...

Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:


Very good (and practical) point there Jacquie :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 01:03:54 PM
Good Morning Everybody!!  :D

KBM  In some of the statements by J2K, one of them, (Joron I think) say that they had done this 20 times and nothing bad happened.  What were there normal routine practices with tourist girls?  Have you ever seen videos of their "conquests"?

Had Joron ever taken girls to his apartment or was their activities limited to only a vehicle.  Did they have a hotel that they usually went to?

Who was usually in the group?

Was Freddy usually the cameraman?

TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh



I'm pretty sure that last night you said you were studying in Holland last year.  Which is it now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Have a good day, Monkeys.  TTYL.  Have to get going before the life is over and I missed it.  Check with you before Christmas.


What do you mean before Christmas?  You can't go any where and have to keep posting.  It's in the rules!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:04:55 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Good Morning Everybody!!  :D

KBM  In some of the statements by J2K, one of them, (Joron I think) say that they had done this 20 times and nothing bad happened.  What were there normal routine practices with tourist girls?  Have you ever seen videos of their "conquests"?

Had Joron ever taken girls to his apartment or was their activities limited to only a vehicle.  Did they have a hotel that they usually went to?

Who was usually in the group?

Was Freddy usually the cameraman?

TIA

i really dont know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: msmarple on October 25, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
All Off Topic:

Christmas TWO months from today!

John Mark Karr has left Atlanta and the State of Georgia.

Wanted to share this Panda Update:

Quote
Monday, October 23
Lun Lun has been receiving enrichment items in one of the adjacent dens. She especially likes puzzle feeders, which require her to manipulate an item to release biscuits and pieces of fruit. Yang Yang received some Halloween themed enrichment on Saturday for Boo at the Zoo. He had a carved pumpkin stuffed with Tabasco scented wood wool. Tabasco is one of his favorite scents. He also had a tub filled with water and apple pieces, so that he could bob for apples. However, he quickly figured out the he could just dump over the tub, and then eat the apples. Boo at the Zoo continues Oct. 28-29. So, Yang Yang will have more pumpkins and a ghost toy that he can wrestle.


Panda cam:
http://www.zooatlanta.com/animals_panda_cam.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh



I'm pretty sure that last night you said you were studying in Holland last year.  Which is it now?

yeh last year i was studying in holland. but now here


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: blah on October 25, 2006, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh



I'm pretty sure that last night you said you were studying in Holland last year.  Which is it now?

yeh last year i was studying in holland. but now here


yeah, i'm pretty sure you just some punk in here pulling peoples chains.

i'm done with this clown.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi kbm - Nice to see you again today. It must seem that we are overwhelming you with questions.

I have a few questions about you.

What are your future plans? Do they involve staying on Aruba, or might you try The Netherlands? Or elsewhere?

Do you have a career in mind?

Or similarly (if you don't want to reveal that much personal information) - What opportunities are available on Aruba that appeal most to young people like yourself?

It is interesting that you joined our discussion. How did you find this site?

Do you hope to gain information here?
If so, I strongly urge you to read the statements we have from some of those who were questioned during the Summer of 2005. (Suggestion: Read them in order, by date.) Here is a link to the statements:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

Also, I would like to assure you that in the U.S., insurance scams are difficult to do, especially one involving a missing (probably dead) person, and especially if that missing person is still legally a "minor" - dependent on his/her parents.

In let's say 99% of our families, any life insurance benefit on a dependent is very small, probably about $5,000 US$. Traditionally it is just to help cover funeral expenses, and most parents don't bother - it's just too unplesant to think about.

AND - If there is "no body", there is a long waiting period -- at least seven years I think, maybe more -- and then a legal process to go through to have the court declare the person legally dead. Not until after all of that has happened can even a small life insurance claim be paid.

Further, unlike Mexico and possibly other Latin American countries, kidnapping for money is not an on-going "professional" activity here. I have heard that some extremely wealthy Americans (that other 1%) insure all family members against kidnapping, but Natalee's family is not wealthy. Her parents, step-parents, aunts, uncles - all work. As best as I can tell, none of them are "executives". Beth has special qualifications to work as a teacher of children with speech problems. Dave sells insurance.

Thank you for joining us.

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh



I'm pretty sure that last night you said you were studying in Holland last year.  Which is it now?

yeh last year i was studying in holland. but now here


yeah, i'm pretty sure you just some punk in here pulling peoples chains.

i'm done with this clown.

okeej


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Good Morning Everybody!!  :D

KBM  In some of the statements by J2K, one of them, (Joron I think) say that they had done this 20 times and nothing bad happened.  What were there normal routine practices with tourist girls?  Have you ever seen videos of their "conquests"?

Had Joron ever taken girls to his apartment or was their activities limited to only a vehicle.  Did they have a hotel that they usually went to?

Who was usually in the group?

Was Freddy usually the cameraman?

TIA

i really dont know


Thank you, and welcome to Scared Monkeys.

KBM.......stay away from these type of people.  Be a better man than them.  Be honorable.  Girls should not be treated like disposable trash.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"

 
Aruba thinks that if they can just keep telling the same tired old lie... the one created by who - Julia? ATA? - that eventually someone will believe it and then it will be back to business at hand...

they don't understand our system though.... the boycott isn't offical it's more like the everyday person saying I am not going there it's not safe... and of course all of those that write on our money... to boycott the island of aruba.... that will never let it go away until they 'fess up....


 :D

Let's just tell them that the unoffical boycott is over. If that's what they want to hear.

However, the bells of our 'personal choice' and the freedom to exercise it as Americans -- still rings loud and clear. :lol:  :lol:

I'm also printing Klaas' labels out on plain paper -- so you get a sheet of paper with 30 little blocks -- and I'm leaving those sheets in many places, so far;

bathrooms and restaurants at Miami International
CVS
post office
Nordstroms
Old Navy
The Gap
Ann Taylor Loft
and oh yeah -- I was at a restaurant on Brickell Ave Saturday night

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

uhm i think i stay on aruba, studying economics.
and yeh about the insurance i think thats true yeh


You are either incredibly naive or simply lying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
The truth is out there.


The X Files!!!

Oh -- wrong thread :oops:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:20:20 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thSnoopy.gif) is in da house!!

This is sort of off topic but there is an organization in Washington DC that is teaching young men the things they should have learned at home.  They have a series of posters.  In case it is too small to read, the first one says When She Was Drunk, I Backed Off and the second says when she said no, I said OK.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/MCSRposter5of81.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/MCSRposter3of82.jpg)

They have others as well.  Go into high schools and other places teaching the men's strength is not to be used to hurt, etc.

Guess I should put this information in a separate thread but think it is important as some don't seem to understand at all.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:20:21 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty of conspiracy to abduct and sexually assault Natalee Holloway; drugging, abducting and sexually assaulting Natalee Holloway; obstructing justice; and either murder or human trafficking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Maybe if you are still here or will answer later.
Please understand this...all of us here and even those that have left have looked at just about everything under the sun to find out what happened to Natalee.  What I want you to do, if you truly believe that Joran and the Kalpoes are not guilty of anything is this... SHOW US! That is all I have ever asked of anyone that claims that someone else is involved or that she was left sleeping on the beach.  Just explain all the inconsistencies in the Kalpoes statements and Joran's.  Explain why Paulus contradicts  his own claims in his statements.  The stories are not matching up for anyone that is innocent.  I am very willing to entertain the thought that others were involved, just need to SEE it with my own eyes.  

Tell me where the proof of innocence of the suspects is here?  I am waiting, really I am...I just want you to backup what you say with proof that there is absolutely no way that Joran and the others are not involved.  Explain why van der Straaten claimed to have seen evidence that Natalee was dead.  Explain why the prosecutor charged people with premeditated murder and heavy battery.  All I want is for someone to convince me WITH PROOF.  

Explain to me why if you are from a well to do family on the island and surely you must know some of these people.  We have seen the photos of the people you are with in them...surely you know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.  He is from a well to do family also.  Surely you know who this Hiram guy must be, it is a small island.  Doesn't everyone down there know everyone else?  I find it impossible, after all this time and if you read here often, that you can not explain all these things to us or can't find out anything from those on the island.  

I appreciate your input and want to be convinced that there are other people involved in this besides Joran, Paulus and the usual suspects.

first of all i dont know lorenzo van rijn and hiram.(i dont know al the ppl that live here, even though its a small island)
and u only say that j2k are suspects because theire the last known persons that saw natalee and because theire lied etc etc.
but if u have a photo or video where u see that j2k is guilty of murdering natalee then ill believe you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:23:06 PM
kbm~ If you can show me absolute, irrefutable proof that Natalee's family are guilty of insurance fraud, then I will believe you.

Is SandrK enjoying her visit?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty of conspiracy to abduct and sexually assault Natalee Holloway; drugging, abducting and sexually assaulting Natalee Holloway; obstructing justice; and either murder or human trafficking.

do u have evidence?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:24:15 PM
KBM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the insurance scam is totally off base.  This family does not, not did they ever, need insurance money obtained from a dead child.  You do not know anything about this family if you believe that is true.  I challenge you to PROVE to me that the insurance scam is true.  I have spent countless hours trying to get to the bottom of that rumor and there is no factual basis that will allow you to prove that is the case.  I am certain that the FBI  checked these little details extensively.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ If you can show me absolute, irrefutable proof that Natalee's family are guilty of insurance fraud, then I will believe you.

Is SandrK enjoying her visit?

no i didnt say that there ARE guilty i said its just a theory (that i heard)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Joran Van Der Sloot is guilty of conspiracy to abduct and sexually assault Natalee Holloway; drugging, abducting and sexually assaulting Natalee Holloway; obstructing justice; and either murder or human trafficking.

do u have evidence?


I have a brain. Do you? If so, then are you lacking scruples?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[first of all i dont know lorenzo van rijn and hiram.(i dont know al the ppl that live here, even though its a small island)
and u only say that j2k are suspects because theire the last known persons that saw natalee and because theire lied etc etc.
but if u have a photo or video where u see that j2k is guilty of murdering natalee then ill believe you.



KBM,
That is an unreasonable standard to require.  I don't think there are many murders that are caught on video but they happen and people are tried and convicted without video.

And I do think it is likely that it was accidental over dose of something they gave to Natalee and not intentional.  They made it worse by lying and disposing of her remains in some way that they cannot now be recovered.  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:26:08 PM
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:26:26 PM
about the insurance money i said that it could.

but you all researched and get the conclusion that its a false rumor


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:27:15 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
about the insurance money i said that it could.

but you all researched and get the conclusion that its a false rumor


Well, DUH.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?

nO0o0o i just want the case solved


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:28:14 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?

nO0o0o i just want the case solved


As long as Joran is not responsible, eh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:29:33 PM
Aruba and the Netherlands need to give the boot to Van Der Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:29:33 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?

nO0o0o i just want the case solved


As long as Joran is not responsible, eh?

no maybe he is responsible....but i dont think so


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:29:53 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Maybe if you are still here or will answer later.
Please understand this...all of us here and even those that have left have looked at just about everything under the sun to find out what happened to Natalee.  What I want you to do, if you truly believe that Joran and the Kalpoes are not guilty of anything is this... SHOW US! That is all I have ever asked of anyone that claims that someone else is involved or that she was left sleeping on the beach.  Just explain all the inconsistencies in the Kalpoes statements and Joran's.  Explain why Paulus contradicts  his own claims in his statements.  The stories are not matching up for anyone that is innocent.  I am very willing to entertain the thought that others were involved, just need to SEE it with my own eyes.  

Tell me where the proof of innocence of the suspects is here?  I am waiting, really I am...I just want you to backup what you say with proof that there is absolutely no way that Joran and the others are not involved.  Explain why van der Straaten claimed to have seen evidence that Natalee was dead.  Explain why the prosecutor charged people with premeditated murder and heavy battery.  All I want is for someone to convince me WITH PROOF.  

Explain to me why if you are from a well to do family on the island and surely you must know some of these people.  We have seen the photos of the people you are with in them...surely you know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.  He is from a well to do family also.  Surely you know who this Hiram guy must be, it is a small island.  Doesn't everyone down there know everyone else?  I find it impossible, after all this time and if you read here often, that you can not explain all these things to us or can't find out anything from those on the island.  

I appreciate your input and want to be convinced that there are other people involved in this besides Joran, Paulus and the usual suspects.

first of all i dont know lorenzo van rijn and hiram.(i dont know al the ppl that live here, even though its a small island)
and u only say that j2k are suspects because theire the last known persons that saw natalee and because theire lied etc etc.but if u have a photo or video where u see that j2k is guilty of murdering natalee then ill believe you.


I don't think I said that anywhere in the above post. You must have my post confused with someone else. Just want that cleared up before we go an further.  I am asking you to explain why other people have made statements similar to that and these are people involved with the case. sorry, if I confused you, I confuse myself at times too. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:30:13 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?

nO0o0o i just want the case solved


As long as Joran is not responsible, eh?

no maybe he is responsible....but i dont think so


Is he or has he ever been your {{edit}}?

(Going a bit far I think)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?

nO0o0o i just want the case solved


As long as Joran is not responsible, eh?

no maybe he is responsible....but i dont think so


WHY?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:31:37 PM
.
YES, we have evidence.  And also evidence of corruption within the polis and prosecution and judiciary.

It is glaring if you read their statements.  Why did ALE fail to take forensic evidence from the three last seen with Natalee in a timely manner?  That in and of itself is evidence of a cover up because they gave them nine days to cover their tracks even knowing they were lying about the Holiday Inn and arresting two men that ALE knew were not involved.

Paulus talking to the Chief of Polis every day is totally unacceptable and further proof of collusion and corruption.  The suspects being allowed to visit each other, failure of the judge to issue a search warrant for the Sloot compound is one of the most glaring pieces of evidence of corruption.

Interpol investigates corruption within police departments like this.  I do hope they take this on and get to the bottom, don't you?  I know you do not want a corrupt law enforcement and judiciary running your island.

And I would bet you get better grades than Joran who seems to be drunk most of the time.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: msmarple on October 25, 2006, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

first of all i dont know lorenzo van rijn and hiram.(i dont know al the ppl that live here, even though its a small island)
and u only say that j2k are suspects because theire the last known persons that saw natalee and because theire lied etc etc.
but if u have a photo or video where u see that j2k is guilty of murdering natalee then ill believe you.


No, kbm - In the unlikely event that murderers have their crimes visually recorded, you would argue that the photo or video was tampered with. Wouldn't you?

Why couldn't Paulus remember whether Joran went to school on Monday, May 30?

Why couldn't Joran say how he got home early in the morning on May 30?

READ THE STATEMENTS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:32:20 PM
It is nap time for this boycotting Aruba supporter and promoter.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Maybe if you are still here or will answer later.
Please understand this...all of us here and even those that have left have looked at just about everything under the sun to find out what happened to Natalee.  What I want you to do, if you truly believe that Joran and the Kalpoes are not guilty of anything is this... SHOW US! That is all I have ever asked of anyone that claims that someone else is involved or that she was left sleeping on the beach.  Just explain all the inconsistencies in the Kalpoes statements and Joran's.  Explain why Paulus contradicts  his own claims in his statements.  The stories are not matching up for anyone that is innocent.  I am very willing to entertain the thought that others were involved, just need to SEE it with my own eyes.  

Tell me where the proof of innocence of the suspects is here?  I am waiting, really I am...I just want you to backup what you say with proof that there is absolutely no way that Joran and the others are not involved.  Explain why van der Straaten claimed to have seen evidence that Natalee was dead.  Explain why the prosecutor charged people with premeditated murder and heavy battery.  All I want is for someone to convince me WITH PROOF.  

Explain to me why if you are from a well to do family on the island and surely you must know some of these people.  We have seen the photos of the people you are with in them...surely you know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.  He is from a well to do family also.  Surely you know who this Hiram guy must be, it is a small island.  Doesn't everyone down there know everyone else?  I find it impossible, after all this time and if you read here often, that you can not explain all these things to us or can't find out anything from those on the island.  

I appreciate your input and want to be convinced that there are other people involved in this besides Joran, Paulus and the usual suspects.

first of all i dont know lorenzo van rijn and hiram.(i dont know al the ppl that live here, even though its a small island)
and u only say that j2k are suspects because theire the last known persons that saw natalee and because theire lied etc etc.but if u have a photo or video where u see that j2k is guilty of murdering natalee then ill believe you.


I don't think I said that anywhere in the above post. You must have my post confused with someone else. Just want that cleared up before we go
 an further.  I am asking you to explain why other people have made statements similar to that and these are people involved with the case. sorry, if I confused you, I confuse myself at times too. :roll:


then why do u think joran is guilty...if its not because of al the lies etc?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?


kbm thinks it's an insurance scam.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?

i really dont know....but till now its unsolved


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:35:40 PM
Tell Joran that many Americans will never forget.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?

i really dont know....but till now its unsolved


Did you see the Dutch investigators when they were on Aruba? or talk to them?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?


kbm thinks it's an insurance scam.  :roll:

i said that i was a possibility.
its also a possibility that j2k are guilty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:37:11 PM
KBM~ Hve YOU been questioned by authorities in regard to this case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?

i really dont know....but till now its unsolved


Did you see the Dutch investigators when they were on Aruba? or talk to them?

no, but i dont know more then all the other ppl here or in the usa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?


kbm thinks it's an insurance scam.  :roll:

i said that i was a possibility.
its also a possibility that j2k are guilty


Unfortunately, an insurance scam is NOT a possibility.  The FBI and ALE would have uncovered and revealed such a scam very, very easily if it existed.  Our insurance records in this country are very specific.  There is no insurance on Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
KBM
Please tell us who you think is responsible for Natalee's disappearance.  I want to hear about some new suspects. What happened to her body?


kbm thinks it's an insurance scam.  :roll:

i said that i was a possibility.
its also a possibility that j2k are guilty


Unfortunately, an insurance scam is NOT a possibility.  The FBI and ALE would have uncovered and revealed such a scam very, very easily if it existed.  Our insurance records in this country are very specific.  There is no insurance on Natalee.

okeej thank you...so that possibility is now cleared


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:39:31 PM
The only real possibility is:
"its also a possibility that j2k are guilty"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:40:18 PM
On June 10 your Prime Minister and Chief of Police Dompig said there was a confession and one of the suspects was leading ALE to the body.

Then Jan van der Straaten managed to get Dompig kicked out and pushed his way back in despite the fact he was supposed to be retiring and the confession was retracted.  The FBI had told the parents this and also that there was blood all in Deepak's car.

The parents told the Grandmother Natalee was dead, etc. and then van der Straaten just retracts it??  What the heck??  I believe there was a confession and they decided to retract it to cover this up to protect their tourism.

No one behaves this way.  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
The only real possibility is:
"its also a possibility that j2k are guilty"

"or are they unguilty and someone else is guilty" thats also a possibility


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Lala'sMom on October 25, 2006, 01:40:40 PM
I think Joran is guilty of something...because he and Deepak concocted a lie about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.  It was already in place (the lie) ready to be used before the family even arrived on the island.  

I think Joran is guilty of something...because his statements are full of inconsistencies that just jump out at you...if you read them.

I think Joran is guilty of something...because he never even once attempted to help look for Natalee or even try to be kind to a mother that was devastated by this loss.

I think Joran is guilty of something...because innocent people don't act like he does.  They do everything in their power to help.  

I could go on and on, but I must leave...some of you other monkeys can take up the challenge or when I get back from work tonight...I will continue this conversation then.  

Read his statements...they do not support the facts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:41:43 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/LightacandleforNatalee.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/Natalee.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/HollowayHometown.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/nataleestainglass.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 01:42:02 PM
kbm -- if nothing "bad" was planned that night, why would Deepak have asked Joran the next day, "how's the girl?"  It's like they'd done this before and expected "the girl" to just come out of it okay after a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
The only real possibility is:
"its also a possibility that j2k are guilty"

"or are they unguilty and someone else is guilty" thats also a possibility


They are guilty of taking her from C&C's.  They are guilty of not telling the truth about what happened after that.  They do know what happened to her.  Even Joran said in his interview on TV from the Netherlands, "I'm not ready to tell what I know yet."  What do you suppose he knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 01:42:55 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
about the insurance money i said that it could.

but you all researched and get the conclusion that its a false rumor

It is a false rumor and it was confirmed by Natalee's family.

kbm, let me ask you this if you had a 12 year old sister and found out Joran was interested in her how would he feel about that.  Would you be mad or would you trust Joran alone with her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school


Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...


WICKED funny -

are you from New Hampshire or somthing?:lol:


nah I'm just way  8)  too sexy for mahself too  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 01:44:47 PM
I have a million questions --

is Deepak REALLY particular about his car?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:46:06 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/capt06042315arubamissinggirl2t.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/youngNatalee.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/a1-holloway.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:46:46 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I think Joran is guilty of something...because he and Deepak concocted a lie about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.  It was already in place (the lie) ready to be used before the family even arrived on the island.  

I think Joran is guilty of something...because his statements are full of inconsistencies that just jump out at you...if you read them.

I think Joran is guilty of something...because he never even once attempted to help look for Natalee or even try to be kind to a mother that was devastated by this loss.

I think Joran is guilty of something...because innocent people don't act like he does.  They do everything in their power to help.  

I could go on and on, but I must leave...some of you other monkeys can take up the challenge or when I get back from work tonight...I will continue this conversation then.  

Read his statements...they do not support the facts.

i think its good that you say "i think" because allot of ppl say that j2k ARE guilty. but till now its not proven that they are guilty. so allot of ppl have to say: "MAYBE j2k are guilty"....or..... "i think they are quilty"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
KBM~ Have YOU been questioned by authorities in regard to this case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
[Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...[/quote]

WICKED funny -

are you from New Hampshire or somthing?:lol:[/quote]

nah I'm just way  8)  too sexy for mahself too  :lol:[/quote]

Too sexy for my clothes, too sexy for my clothes!   8) And I do hope some who didn't believe me that Guido would be wearing Goth make up will take a look at Hiram's modeling photos.  I think Goth is in and pretty is out.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
kbm~ Were you involved in Natalee's disappearance?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 01:48:55 PM
klaas -- what's your email?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 25, 2006, 01:49:47 PM
K2 can be "proven" guilty -- but they still remain free and uncharged...WHY?

Satish and deepak kalpoe each attested to and signed INTENTIONALLY FALSE witness statements under advice of counsel.  

This is a crime.

Why have they not been charged and prosecuted for the crime of perjury?

Further, their own statements show that they conspired w/ joran, and among themsleves, to commit this perjury.  This is also a crime, a separate crime.  Why have they not been charged w/ conspracy to commit perjury?

As a result of the perjurious statements, 2 innocent men were incarcerated and neither kalpoe brother came forward to set the record straight, and to demand the release of the innocent security guards who were apprehended beacuse of their criminal perjury.

The INTENTIONALLY FALSE witness statements resulted in the arrest of innocent men, which comprises obstruction of justice.  This is also a crime.

And based on the above, each kalpoe brother is subject to the charge of contempt of court.

kbm, the kalpoe witness statements are evidence of criminal activity and proof that crimes have been committed.  Why haven't the kalpoe's each been charged with perjury, conspiracy to commit perjury, obstruction of justice leading to false arrests during a murder investigation and contempt of court?

You've been looking for "proof" -- well here it is.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: "Windsor"
klaas -- what's your email?

smklaasend@hotmail.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
[Did you ace them?


wicked funny justins...


WICKED funny -

are you from New Hampshire or somthing?:lol:[/quote]

nah I'm just way  8)  too sexy for mahself too  :lol:[/quote]

Too sexy for my clothes, too sexy for my clothes!   8) And I do hope some who didn't believe me that Guido would be wearing Goth make up will take a look at Hiram's modeling photos.  I think Goth is in and pretty is out.

.[/quote]
well that has nothing to do with me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 01:50:31 PM
Quote from: "Anna"


Too sexy for my clothes, too sexy for my clothes!   8) And I do hope some who didn't believe me that Guido would be wearing Goth make up will take a look at Hiram's modeling photos.  I think Goth is in and pretty is out.

.


actually I'd like to borrow those gossamer veils in that photo you posted last night?

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/veildance.gif) I"m scheduled to do a veil dance this evening  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 01:51:51 PM
Hi KBM & Monkeys,

Has it been established that KBM is actually Kawish?

KBM can you tell me your sister's names?

Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:52:13 PM
KBM,

OK, I THINK J2K are guilty and until I know otherwise, I shall continue to boycott Aruba.

80% of the time when a person is missing, it is the one last seen with them who is responsible.  Add to that the confession that was retracted and all the lies and it would put that percentage very high, wouldn't it?

You know math and you know statistics from economics classes.  It is very very unlikely that anyone else is involved.  ALE knew Natalee was dead when the parents arrived.  That's why they were in no hurry at all to do anything but eat their Frosted Flakes, shave and make crude jokes about Natalee.  They already knew or they would have been much more concerned.

I wonder if they regret what they did.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Hi KBM & Monkeys,

Has it been established that KBM is actually Kawish?

KBM can you tell me your sister's names?

Thanks!

why :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 01:53:28 PM
Just want to know if you are really Kawish.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Just want to know if you are really Kawish.....

well its not that difficult to find ou someones sisters name


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 01:55:20 PM
Then YOU don't know....?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Florida"
Just want to know if you are really Kawish.....

well its not that difficult to find ou someones sisters name


So tell us. Now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Then YOU don't know....?

look, im not forced to say my sisters name.
so if i dont  want do...then i dont have to


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:56:33 PM
Florida, why does it matter?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 01:56:57 PM
IMO: Your "15 minutes" are up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:57:29 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/53783b18cb.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Florida"
Just want to know if you are really Kawish.....

well its not that difficult to find ou someones sisters name


So tell us. Now.

justinsmama i dont feel to talk to you more.
(plz have some respect for my opinion)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:57:53 PM
This forum is about Natalee Holloway, not whether kbm is Kawish or George Bush.  I don't really care.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
This forum is about Natalee Holloway, not whether kbm is Kawish or George Bush.  I don't really care.

yeh thats true


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
IMO: Your "15 minutes" are up!


Florida, no disrespect meant but kbm hasn't claimed to be anyone so therefore has nothing to prove.  Please give him his right to voice his opinion.    He knows most will disagree if he has read here for months like he says he has... just no reason to be rude.  IMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 01:59:09 PM
Well Klaas verified the sitemeter says Aruba so I say let him be because it will give insight into what is thought there regardless.

I think most of the Arubans have just been told bits and pieces like not told the insurance scam is not true.  I want to know what else they might believe that leads them to think someone else is involved.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Florida"
Then YOU don't know....?

look, im not forced to say my sisters name.
so if i dont  want do...then i dont have to


Okay, SANDRA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Mere on October 25, 2006, 01:59:32 PM
Good afternoon friends.... :)

Florida...I am surprised that you are asking for the names of another poster's relatives....this is the internet and we do not normally list our personal information....not our own or that of our family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 01:59:39 PM
kbm -- what does "he brought 2 dogs with him" mean to you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 01:59:51 PM
And, I frankly do not think it is appropriate to push people here to reveal their true name or identity.  If you wish to say your own true name, Florida, then feel free.  But do not push someone else to reveal that information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: "Windsor"
kbm -- what does "he brought 2 dogs with him" mean to you?

to me it means nothing where does it stand?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 02:03:29 PM
A little civility goes a long way.  kbm, have you heard when the de Vries show about Natalee might be on the TV?  I was wondering how long it takes to make this kind of show.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
And, I frankly do not think it is appropriate to push people here to reveal their true name or identity.  If you wish to say your own true name, Florida, then feel free.  But do not push someone else to reveal that information.


I am sorry everyone...I just wanted to know if it has been established if KBM is actually Kawish...

I guess I chose a bad question to ask.
I was hoping KBM was Kawish...................


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Windsor on October 25, 2006, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Windsor"
kbm -- what does "he brought 2 dogs with him" mean to you?

to me it means nothing where does it stand?


can someone help me out with this, if I'm wrong -- I think Joran stated that Deepak or Satish "came back with two dogs"; not sure where, to the beach?  not really sure

would it be two dawgs?  how does the Dutch word for dog translate to English?  is the Dutch word for "dawgs", like dudes, for instance, the same as dog in Dutch?  oh boy, no I have myself confused ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
A little civility goes a long way.  kbm, have you heard when the de Vries show about Natalee might be on the TV?  I was wondering how long it takes to make this kind of show.

uhm i holland i watched that show on the channel: "sbs 6" i think


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:05:05 PM
.
At the least, it will give us the chance to let someone on Aruba know that we have looked elsewhere and verified insurance and other things about Mountain Brook.  And the FBI questioned the students extensively.  We got a few of their statements by doing a screen shot of Greta reading from them on TV, that's how much we looked there.

We did not just focus on Joran blindly and ignore all else.  We really looked at those students and hard, too.  Taking a statement from TV screen shot and enlarging is pretty thorough work on our part.

Aruba needs to know we don't have something personal against Joran and we HAVE looked in Mountain Brook this whole time.

And it all comes back to J2K.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 02:05:18 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote from: "AZLady"
And, I frankly do not think it is appropriate to push people here to reveal their true name or identity.  If you wish to say your own true name, Florida, then feel free.  But do not push someone else to reveal that information.


I am sorry everyone...I just wanted to know if it has been established if KBM is actually Kawish...

I guess I chose a bad question to ask.
I was hoping KBM was Kawish...................


Apology accepted.  kbm might or might not be kawish.  I won't ask him to reveal that information.  I'm more interested in his ideas about what is going on in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:09:41 PM
KBM,
Do people in Aruba think the boycott is because of Dr.Phil show?  It was already underway when that was aired.  I watched it but do not usually watch nor pay any attention to Dr. Phil.  He is respected in this country but I don't think his show had much to do with the boycott.  It would have happened anyway with or without Dr. Phil.  He is just not that important to people in making a decision.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
Do people in Aruba think the boycott is because of Dr.Phil show?  It was already underway when that was aired.  I watched it but do not usually watch nor pay any attention to Dr. Phil.  He is respected in this country but I don't think his show had much to do with the boycott.  It would have happened anyway with or without Dr. Phil.  He is just not that important to people in making a decision.

.

i know that the boycot was already before the show....but he also "stimulated" the boycot al litle bit. (thats my opinion)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote from: "AZLady"
And, I frankly do not think it is appropriate to push people here to reveal their true name or identity.  If you wish to say your own true name, Florida, then feel free.  But do not push someone else to reveal that information.


I am sorry everyone...I just wanted to know if it has been established if KBM is actually Kawish...

I guess I chose a bad question to ask.
I was hoping KBM was Kawish...................


Their first names are on his tickle site. Public knowledge.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:11:41 PM
.
KBM,
Are you fluent in Papiamento?  Would you have time to translate a few newspaper articles for us from time to time?  The online translator is dreadful and we have a hard time translating things.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
KBM,
Are you fluent in Papiamento?  Would you have time to translate a few newspaper articles for us from time to time?  The online translator is dreadful and we have a hard time translating things.

.

oh im sorry my papiamento is pretty bad. i speak dutch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:15:21 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
Do people in Aruba think the boycott is because of Dr.Phil show?  It was already underway when that was aired.  I watched it but do not usually watch nor pay any attention to Dr. Phil.  He is respected in this country but I don't think his show had much to do with the boycott.  It would have happened anyway with or without Dr. Phil.  He is just not that important to people in making a decision.

.

i know that the boycot was already before the show....but he also "stimulated" the boycot al litle bit. (thats my opinion)



Yeah, I agree.  Maybe a little but not that much really.  He is on to something else the next day and so people just watch and don't really get involved with all his causes.  But just a tiny bit.  Was bad publicity for Aruba but not likely to sway many about going there or not.

I just don't want the people of Aruba to think we are so foolish that we would allow one TV show to make up our minds for us.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:16:13 PM
I must say that despite my being very harsh, kbm (whomever he/she may be) has responded only with politeness. For that, kbm, I will back off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
KBM,
Are you fluent in Papiamento?  Would you have time to translate a few newspaper articles for us from time to time?  The online translator is dreadful and we have a hard time translating things.

.

oh im sorry my papiamento is pretty bad. i speak dutch


OK, thanks anyway!  Was just a thought.  Always on the lookout for a translator.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
Do people in Aruba think the boycott is because of Dr.Phil show?  It was already underway when that was aired.  I watched it but do not usually watch nor pay any attention to Dr. Phil.  He is respected in this country but I don't think his show had much to do with the boycott.  It would have happened anyway with or without Dr. Phil.  He is just not that important to people in making a decision.

.

i know that the boycot was already before the show....but he also "stimulated" the boycot al litle bit. (thats my opinion)



Yeah, I agree.  Maybe a little but not that much really.  He is on to something else the next day and so people just watch and don't really get involved with all his causes.  But just a tiny bit.  Was bad publicity for Aruba but not likely to sway many about going there or not.

I just don't want the people of Aruba to think we are so foolish that we would allow one TV show to make up our minds for us.

.

yeh i know
but natalee's mother was on several tv shows. and still millions of ppl watch that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I must say that despite my being very harsh, kbm (whomever he/she may be) has responded only with politeness. For that, kbm, I will back off.

thank you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:18:01 PM
If Dubbya comes here to post, I'd have a lot of questions for him, too.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I must say that despite my being very harsh, kbm (whomever he/she may be) has responded only with politeness. For that, kbm, I will back off.

thank you


You are quite welcome, kbm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 02:19:10 PM
kbm

Did you know that the Gottenbos famly had moved to the United States? Georgia.

Do you know why they moved?

What does it mean to you when a person holds up a lot of cash in a photograph?  Is there any particular meaning to that?  $1300 or $1400 to be exact.  That may seem like a silly question, but it may have different meanings to some.  To some people it could have a particular meaning.  

Do you know anything about Sander Gottenbos?  Or Koen?  Had you heard that Sander lost his cell phone on May 30th?  He never reported it.  That seems really coincadental that it came up missing on that particular date, and unusual not to report your cell phone.

Do you know if Joron went boating, or was he afraid of the water?

TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[.

yeh i know
but natalee's mother was on several tv shows. and still millions of ppl watch that[/quote]

Yes, more people would have seen all those shows than Dr Phil.  And while we tend to believe Beth, we still get the statements from the suspects and other information for she is a distraught parent.  We try to verify everything from at least two sources.  Usually we can get two or three.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
kbm

Did you know that the Gottenbos famly had moved to the United States? Georgia.

Do you know why they moved?

What does it mean to you when a person holds up a lot of cash in a photograph?  Is there any particular meaning to that?  $1300 or $1400 to be exact.  That may seem like a silly question, but it may have different meanings to some.  To some people it could have a particular meaning.  

Do you know anything about Sander Gottenbos?  Or Koen?  Had you heard that Sander lost his cell phone on May 30th?  He never reported it.  That seems really coincadental that it came up missing on that particular date, and unusual not to report your cell phone.

Do you know if Joron went boating, or was he afraid of the water?

TIA

yeh i know they moved.....i dont really know why they moved
to me it explains that he walked with allot of money that day.
well i dont think allot of ppl report there cell phone here.

i dont think joran went boating, and im pretty sure he's not afraid of water


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

oh im sorry my papiamento is pretty bad. i speak dutch


Would you mind translating this article then?  Thanks!  I'm really wanting to know what it says about de Vries.

13 september 2006
Peter R. de Vries gearresteerd

OISTERWIJK - Peter R. de Vries is woensdag aan het eind van de ochtend in Oisterwijk gearresteerd. De misdaadverslaggever wilde in Brabant een politieagent en de korpsleiding confronteren met zijn bevindingen over discutabele contacten van de agent met hoogbejaarde vrouwen, aldus de redactie van De Vries' programma.

De politie bevestigde woensdagmiddag dat het gaat om De Vries en een 42-jarige medewerker, die op de Staatbergven in Oisterwijk even voor het middaguur werden aangehouden. Daar waren agenten van de politie Oisterwijk bezig met teambuilding. Een woordvoerder zegt dat de misdaadverslaggever tot drie keer toe weigerde in te gaan op het verzoek van de eigenaar om het particuliere terrein te verlaten. Hij en zijn collega zijn daarna aangehouden voor erfvredebreuk.

De presentator werd overgebracht naar een politiebureau in Tilburg. Hij is daar verhoord en ongeveer twee uur later vrijgelaten. Tegen hem is proces-verbaal opgemaakt. Politie en justitie beslissen later over het vervolg. De programmamedewerker is eveneens verhoord en mocht daarna ook gaan.

Peter R. de Vries noemt de reactie van de politie ''overtrokken''. ''Ik was op een openbaar toegankelijk terrein. Geen slagbomen, pasjes of hekken. Toen ik de agent met onze bevindingen wilde confronteren, kwamen er vrijwel meteen collega's bij die ons het verder praten niet toestonden en op zeker moment riepen: u bent gearresteerd.''

De Vries verbaasde zich over de snelheid waarmee drie politieauto's uit Tilburg hen kwamen halen. ''Het riekt naar machtsmisbruik. Als wij een burger met iets confronteren, is er ook altijd wel iemand die dat niet prettig vindt, maar de politie schiet dan niet te hulp.''

Eind mei besteedde de televisiemaker ook aandacht aan twee erfenissen die de agent van de politie Oisterwijk onder verdachte omstandigheden zou hebben ontvangen. Hij zou als politieman in contact zijn gekomen met de vrouwen. Daarna bouwde hij een vertrouwensrelatie op en dankte hieraan vervolgens een lucratieve nalatenschap.

De eerste uitzending leverde zoveel reacties op dat De Vries besloot nogmaals aandacht aan de kwestie te besteden. Dit zal binnenkort, ''al dan niet met een reactie van de agent'', te zien zijn bij het SBS-programma. (ANP)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:25:05 PM
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:25:07 PM
im not gonna translate it full....but ill tell the important things


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:25:45 PM
what is klass email ?


thanks


robotica  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: "robots"
what is klass email ?


thanks


robotica  8)


She posted it a page or so back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "robots"
what is klass email ?


thanks


robotica  8)


She posted it a page or so back.



thanks :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 02:30:11 PM
Kawish:  Is the deVries show seen on Aruba TV?  How is the flooding in your part of Aruba?  Where do you study economics in Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "kbm"

oh im sorry my papiamento is pretty bad. i speak dutch


Would you mind translating this article then?  Thanks!  I'm really wanting to know what it says about de Vries.

13 september 2006
Peter R. de Vries gearresteerd

OISTERWIJK - Peter R. de Vries is woensdag aan het eind van de ochtend in Oisterwijk gearresteerd. De misdaadverslaggever wilde in Brabant een politieagent en de korpsleiding confronteren met zijn bevindingen over discutabele contacten van de agent met hoogbejaarde vrouwen, aldus de redactie van De Vries' programma.

De politie bevestigde woensdagmiddag dat het gaat om De Vries en een 42-jarige medewerker, die op de Staatbergven in Oisterwijk even voor het middaguur werden aangehouden. Daar waren agenten van de politie Oisterwijk bezig met teambuilding. Een woordvoerder zegt dat de misdaadverslaggever tot drie keer toe weigerde in te gaan op het verzoek van de eigenaar om het particuliere terrein te verlaten. Hij en zijn collega zijn daarna aangehouden voor erfvredebreuk.

De presentator werd overgebracht naar een politiebureau in Tilburg. Hij is daar verhoord en ongeveer twee uur later vrijgelaten. Tegen hem is proces-verbaal opgemaakt. Politie en justitie beslissen later over het vervolg. De programmamedewerker is eveneens verhoord en mocht daarna ook gaan.

Peter R. de Vries noemt de reactie van de politie ''overtrokken''. ''Ik was op een openbaar toegankelijk terrein. Geen slagbomen, pasjes of hekken. Toen ik de agent met onze bevindingen wilde confronteren, kwamen er vrijwel meteen collega's bij die ons het verder praten niet toestonden en op zeker moment riepen: u bent gearresteerd.''

De Vries verbaasde zich over de snelheid waarmee drie politieauto's uit Tilburg hen kwamen halen. ''Het riekt naar machtsmisbruik. Als wij een burger met iets confronteren, is er ook altijd wel iemand die dat niet prettig vindt, maar de politie schiet dan niet te hulp.''

Eind mei besteedde de televisiemaker ook aandacht aan twee erfenissen die de agent van de politie Oisterwijk onder verdachte omstandigheden zou hebben ontvangen. Hij zou als politieman in contact zijn gekomen met de vrouwen. Daarna bouwde hij een vertrouwensrelatie op en dankte hieraan vervolgens een lucratieve nalatenschap.

De eerste uitzending leverde zoveel reacties op dat De Vries besloot nogmaals aandacht aan de kwestie te besteden. Dit zal binnenkort, ''al dan niet met een reactie van de agent'', te zien zijn bij het SBS-programma. (ANP)

uhm its says nothing about the holloway-case.

but it says that deVries was arrested that wednesday because he'd confront a cop. (he thinks that the cop had a relation with older women or something/ and theire legancy) and they say he was on a private property. and the owner warned deVries three times but he didnt moved so he get  arrested and released a couple of hours later.

deVries said that he wasnt on a private property because there was no fence etc etc

so he's gonna do another show about this thing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 02:36:13 PM
Is it common for kids to carry that much money in Aruba?  How does a student acquire that much money?   The reasonn I ask is that he is posing with money on his tickle site in the same fashion as Joron was in one of his pictures.. i just didn't know if this meant something in particular.

This is not directed toward you, but I'd like to slap that smile off his face.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:36:30 PM
Hey. Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'.
Hey. If you happen to see the most beautiful girl that taken in Aruba,
Tell her I miss her.
Tell her I need my baby.
Oh, won't you tell her that I love her.
I woke up this morning, realized what they had done.
I stood alone in the cold, grey dawn, and knew that I lost my morning sun.
I lost Natalee, and I want her back.
Now comes the heartaches that the empty days bring.

I know she is lost, and her lovely smile I will not again see.
My world has been torn away from me.
So, hey. Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'.
Hey. If you happen to see the most beautiful girl that was taken from me...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...

whos the most beautiful girl in the world?? :? (sorry if i offend you)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Kawish:  Is the deVries show seen on Aruba TV?  How is the flooding in your part of Aruba?  Where do you study economics in Aruba?

no
and one of my classes is economics


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...

whos the most beautiful girl in the world?? :? (sorry if i offend you)


It is an old song. I changed the lyrics to match Natale's situation for her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:40:47 PM
Info on the song is here:

http://www.google.com/musics?lid=SMOzClY_HBP&aid=kdVZczIorJB&sid=HB2GLHBs73F


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...

whos the most beautiful girl in the world?? :? (sorry if i offend you)


It is an old song. I changed the lyrics to match Natale's situation for her family.

oke


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:42:55 PM
yesterday someone thaught R.K means RamKrishna
but it means  Rooms-Katholiek


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yesterday someone thaught R.K means RamKrishna
but it means  Rooms-Katholiek


Which is Cathalecism (sp)?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:45:04 PM
i dunno


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:45:33 PM
Catholic?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: justinsmama on October 25, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
Roman Catholic!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:47:50 PM
yesh

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:00 am    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (posted by Anna)
.
Florida,
Is the nut's nephew included in the character witnesses for Joran as filed by his attorney Tacopina? Is he the one with the Charlie Manson eyes?



thank you saying that you think my eyes look like charlie manson


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 02:51:29 PM
KBM: Maybe you can clear this up for me....

When Charles Croes met some boys at the beach in order to find out who Joran was/lived...Which beach was it?

And, when Deepak said "Freddy needs to tell the truth"...What do you think he meant?

Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
KBM: Maybe you can clear this up for me....

When Charles Croes met some boys at the beach in order to find out who Joran was/lived...Which beach was it?

And, when Deepak said "Freddy needs to tell the truth"...What do you think he meant?

Thanks!

uhm i dont know charles croes
i think dk says that freddy have to say everything he knows :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:54:09 PM
i dunno what beach


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 02:55:32 PM
What does Freddy know that he ain't telling?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:56:28 PM
how can i know if he aint telling it :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Sue on October 25, 2006, 02:57:23 PM
KBM

From what you have heard or over heard
What do the kids your age think about what happen to Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
i dunno what beach


CCroes met the family at the airport
They drove to the Holiday Inn
CCroes drove further to a parking lot at a beach
Where he met some kids at 2am

Would that be the Marriot beach or Arashi beach?
Where do guys hang out?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote from: "kbm"
i dunno what beach


CCroes met the family at the airport
They drove to the Holiday Inn
CCroes drove further to a parking lot at a beach
Where he met some kids at 2am

Would that be the Marriot beach or Arashi beach?
Where do guys hang out?

i dont know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 02:59:59 PM
Yeah, but I bet you are angry with SandraK
for bringing your name into all this.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
KBM

From what you have heard or over heard
What do the kids your age think about what happen to Natalee?

well the kids my age think that it is impossible these 3 young boys (or maybe more) to just let a body dissapear. and stay dissapeared even though there is so much research and investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Sue on October 25, 2006, 03:02:29 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Sue"
KBM

From what you have heard or over heard
What do the kids your age think about what happen to Natalee?

well the kids my age think that it is impossible these 3 young boys (or maybe more) to just let a body dissapear. and stay dissapeared even though there is so much research and investigation.



thank you for your response :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yesh

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:00 am    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 (posted by Anna)
.
Florida,
Is the nut's nephew included in the character witnesses for Joran as filed by his attorney Tacopina? Is he the one with the Charlie Manson eyes?



thank you saying that you think my eyes look like charlie manson


You are welcome but it doesn't say you.  :wink:  But you do have VERY intense looking eyes. When you are in the company of those people I tend to think bad things because I think they are bad people. When you are looking intense I think it is sort of scary.   You also look sober among a bunch of drunks.  How do you stand them?  Kids still growing have no business drinking that much alcohol.  Don't they know it is very harmful to them so young?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Starr on October 25, 2006, 03:03:10 PM
May I ask hold old "my age ' is?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Yeah, but I bet you are angry with SandraK
for bringing your name into all this.....

uhm who's sandraK?
and how did she bring my name into al this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Florida"
Yeah, but I bet you are angry with SandraK
for bringing your name into all this.....

uhm who's sandraK?
and how did she bring my name into al this?

Florida - I agree.  What does SandraK have to do with this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Florida"
Yeah, but I bet you are angry with SandraK
for bringing your name into all this.....

uhm who's sandraK?
and how did she bring my name into al this?


She's the one that brought it to everyone's attention that there could be more/other boys involved...
That you have a car & were at the casino on Monday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Sue"
KBM

From what you have heard or over heard
What do the kids your age think about what happen to Natalee?

well the kids my age think that it is impossible these 3 young boys (or maybe more) to just let a body dissapear. and stay dissapeared even though there is so much research and investigation.



But you think the Mountain Brook kids could do it being on the island a total of 83 hours?  See, that is why that theory is very hard to believe.  They wouldn't know anything about anywhere to put a body, etc.  They would be caught immediately.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Starr on October 25, 2006, 03:05:59 PM
Sorry, i need to ask that question again


How old are you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: "Starr"
May I ask hold old "my age ' is?

well i think most of the kids from 15 to 20 think like that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:07:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Sue"
KBM

From what you have heard or over heard
What do the kids your age think about what happen to Natalee?

well the kids my age think that it is impossible these 3 young boys (or maybe more) to just let a body dissapear. and stay dissapeared even though there is so much research and investigation.



But you think the Mountain Brook kids could do it being on the island a total of 83 hours?  See, that is why that theory is very hard to believe.  They wouldn't know anything about anywhere to put a body, etc.  They would be caught immediately.

.

thats true
i dont think anyone from mb did it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Starr on October 25, 2006, 03:13:13 PM
KBM


I am sorry if you have already answered this question, I am posting from work and don't have a lot of time.

Quick answer, what do you think happened to Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 25, 2006, 03:14:03 PM
dark kitty

She was supposed to meet up w/ Steve Croes after the Soul Beach Event on May 29, 2005.

She's an American.  

Ever hear of her, kmb?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: "Starr"
KBM


I am sorry if you have already answered this question, I am posting from work and don't have a lot of time.

Quick answer, what do you think happened to Natalee?

hehe for the 100e time i really dont know
but i think that joran is not guilty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:14:57 PM
no


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
no


kmb - have you ever been to the USA?  Just curious?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:17:05 PM
yes 2-3 times why?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 03:18:30 PM
kbm

I'm glad you're here.  You have given me no reason to doubt you.  Please be patient with us.  We have been lied to many times.  So we naturally have our guard up.

We have been asking you a lot of questions.  Some may seem silly, but we all have our own different reasons.  Until you prove otherwise, I believe you are hear because you want answers too.

Is there anything that has been nagging you in the back of your mind about all this?  Do you have questions?  We have some very bright people here who may just have the answers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Florida on October 25, 2006, 03:18:57 PM
KBM:  Your uncle Karam. Misier

The Buddhist, Healer, Psychic, ....
Met Dave at the Lion's Den?
What was he thinking?!
Why the Lion's Den?

I understand he also teaches Meditation Classes
Could he have been Joran's teacher?
Joran was taking meditation classes for his anger problem.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yes 2-3 times why?

Was wondering if you have considered going to college in Florida like so many Aruban's seem to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...

whos the most beautiful girl in the world?? :? (sorry if i offend you)


To us, Natalee is because something very bad has obviously happened to her.  She was a very good girl, too.  We are very sad and hurt that she is no more and for what?  She was a very innocent and naive young girl, too trusting and she did not think anyone would harm her.  

Well, someone did.  And she is missed and Saturday was her birthday.  Her friends and community miss her so.  She was like their sunshine always happy and helping others.  Someone took our Sunshisne away to quote another song.

Girls tend to be very sheltered in this region of the country.  That school made the trip many times before and thought it was safe.  We are so sad that such a bright light was put out and someone who was so kind was treated so unkindly.

That is why she is the most beautiful girl in the world to us right now.  Because we miss her along with her family.  Think her birthday this past Saturday she would have been twenty.   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:21:18 PM
ty..i have have questions ill ask them

but i dont think that im gonna prove something becauseim not a lawyer in this case


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:21:51 PM
Mrs. Red - if you are here could you email me please?  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world?
And if you did, was she cryin' ... cryin'...

whos the most beautiful girl in the world?? :? (sorry if i offend you)


To us, Natalee is because something very bad has obviously happened to her.  She was a very good girl, too.  We are very sad and hurt that she is no more and for what?  She was a very innocent and naive young girl, too trusting and she did not think anyone would harm her.  

Well, someone did.  And she is missed and Saturday was her birthday.  Her friends and community miss her so.  She was like their sunshine always happy and helping others.  Someone took our Sunshisne away to quote another song.

Girls tend to be very sheltered in this region of the country.  That school made the trip many times before and thought it was safe.  We are so sad that such a bright light was put out and someone who was so kind was treated so unkindly.

That is why she is the most beautiful girl in the world to us right now.  Because we miss her along with her family.  Think her birthday this past Saturday she would have been twenty.   :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

.



Beautiful post Anna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
KBM:  Your uncle Karam. Misier

The Buddhist, Healer, Psychic, ....
Met Dave at the Lion's Den?
What was he thinking?!
Why the Lion's Den?

I understand he also teaches Meditation Classes
Could he have been Joran's teacher?
Joran was taking meditation classes for his anger problem.

i dont think he was jorans teacher.

but i have a question what the lion's den?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
yes 2-3 times why?

Was wondering if you have considered going to college in Florida like so many Aruban's seem to.

no, because my english is not that good
(alltough i heard that school is pretty easy in US)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
yes 2-3 times why?

Was wondering if you have considered going to college in Florida like so many Aruban's seem to.

no, because my english is not that good
(alltough i heard that school is pretty easy in US)

Your english seems pretty good to me  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 03:28:39 PM
Hi Angiex!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:29:14 PM
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 03:29:19 PM
kbm what day did you find out Natalee was missing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: "San"
kbm what day did you find out Natalee was missing.

heh i dont know just when i saw it on the television


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 03:30:03 PM
kbm - excuse me for saying this, but I find it very hard to believe that you don't know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.

Early on in the case we were told by Arubans that everyone knew who Lorenzo was.  That some people were actually affraid of Lorenzo.  That he held the Rave parties.  I find it odd that now nobody wants to talk about Lorenzo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Starr on October 25, 2006, 03:31:30 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.



She was of legal age to have an alcoholic beverage on Aruba.

I am not sure how you would know her party habits.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:31:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
kbm - excuse me for saying this, but I find it very hard to believe that you don't know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.

Early on in the case we were told by Arubans that everyone knew who Lorenzo was.  That some people were actually affraid of Lorenzo.  That he held the Rave parties.  I find it odd that now nobody wants to talk about Lorenzo.


look i really dont know lorenzo (and im not afraid of him). and its impossible that 100k ppl know this guy


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Hi Angiex!!  :D


Hey Snoop Dawg. great to see you ! I will be OT for a sec so sorry everyone.. Hug BT when you see her.. I told her to give you hugs! :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
kbm - excuse me for saying this, but I find it very hard to believe that you don't know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.

Early on in the case we were told by Arubans that everyone knew who Lorenzo was.  That some people were actually affraid of Lorenzo.  That he held the Rave parties.  I find it odd that now nobody wants to talk about Lorenzo.


look i really dont know lorenzo (and im not afraid of him). and its impossible that 100k ppl know this guy


 Hi KBM and welcome.
not being rude here.. but how can you say you are not afraid of someone that you claim you don't even know? I am a bit confused.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:34:16 PM
kbm-

are you familiar with bangbus?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: "Starr"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.



She was of legal age to have an alcoholic beverage on Aruba.

I am not sure how you would know her party habits.

well i dont know natalee as good as you al know her. but i saw some pictures of her partying and doing crazy.

but i dont say thats wrong or something


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
kbm - excuse me for saying this, but I find it very hard to believe that you don't know who Lorenzo van Rijn is.

Early on in the case we were told by Arubans that everyone knew who Lorenzo was.  That some people were actually affraid of Lorenzo.  That he held the Rave parties.  I find it odd that now nobody wants to talk about Lorenzo.


look i really dont know lorenzo (and im not afraid of him). and its impossible that 100k ppl know this guy


 Hi KBM and welcome.
not being rude here.. but how can you say you are not afraid of someone that you claim you don't even know? I am a bit confused.

well as long i dont know him im not afraid of him :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


This is one of the things we are upset about.  She was there 83 hours including three night's sleep.  A photo taken two hours before she disappeared that her mother has shown us shows her completely normal.  She did not drink a lot.  It is not possible to drink a lot and make the grades she did at the school she attended.  It is not good to lie about somebody not here to defend themself.

You can find an easy school here if you look which is what it seems most from Aruba do.  Don't see any of them signing up for Ivy League ones like Harvard or Yale.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Starr"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.



She was of legal age to have an alcoholic beverage on Aruba.

I am not sure how you would know her party habits.

well i dont know natalee as good as you al know her. but i saw some pictures of her partying and doing crazy.

but i dont say thats wrong or something


 Who had those photos that you saw? Curious here!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:36:32 PM
then define "crazy" kbm, how does that differ from Joran biting crotches and putting belts around guy's necks?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Starr"
KBM


I am sorry if you have already answered this question, I am posting from work and don't have a lot of time.

Quick answer, what do you think happened to Natalee?

hehe for the 100e time i really dont know
but i think that joran is not guilty


So You Think His Father Killed Her Than ................

Its Either Paulus Or Sporter ...........

No One Else ...........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.

kbm what do you mean by "and stuff"?  Do you think she was doing drugs?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


For Someone Who Does'nt KNow Too Much Thats A Big Statement .....

How Do You KNOW She Partied Alot .............

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


This is one of the things we are upset about.  She was there 83 hours including three night's sleep.  A photo taken two hours before she disappeared that her mother has shown us shows her completely normal.  She did not drink a lot.  It is not possible to drink a lot and make the grades she did at the school she attended.  It is not good to lie about somebody not here to defend themself.

You can find an easy school here if you look which is what it seems most from Aruba do.  Don't see any of them signing up for Ivy League ones like Harvard or Yale.


thats all true

but you also say that joran was a heavy drinker and he also get good grades at ISA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.

kbm what do you mean by "and stuff"?  Do you think she was doing drugs?

maybe some ppl here think that...dont they have the right to tink like that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:41:31 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


This is one of the things we are upset about.  She was there 83 hours including three night's sleep.  A photo taken two hours before she disappeared that her mother has shown us shows her completely normal.  She did not drink a lot.  It is not possible to drink a lot and make the grades she did at the school she attended.  It is not good to lie about somebody not here to defend themself.

You can find an easy school here if you look which is what it seems most from Aruba do.  Don't see any of them signing up for Ivy League ones like Harvard or Yale.


thats all true

but you also say that joran was a heavy drinker and he also get good grades at ISA


According To School Records He Finished Near The Bottom Of His Class ..

Aced HIs Exam On MOnday... He Was'nt In School On MOnday .........

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:42:02 PM
does anyone else recall how bondia evaded the tough questions? Just traveling back down memory lane.......that point leaped out at me  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Starr on October 25, 2006, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
does anyone else recall how bondia evaded the tough questions? Just traveling back down memory lane.......that point leaped out at me  :wink:


Hello Nonesuche
Yes i do remember


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 03:43:02 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.

kbm what do you mean by "and stuff"?  Do you think she was doing drugs?

maybe some ppl here think that...dont they have the right to tink like that

Yes they do have the right to think like that.  Just like I think Joran is a cold blooded murderer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:43:03 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


For Someone Who Does'nt KNow Too Much Thats A Big Statement .....

How Do You KNOW She Partied Alot .............

 :roll:

i heard that she partied allot but i could be a false rumor


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
does anyone else recall how bondia evaded the tough questions? Just traveling back down memory lane.......that point leaped out at me  :wink:


 YES I do.. I smell a FLuffa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:44:14 PM
THere Is NO Mention At All About Sebastian & Valintin Being Picked Up At The Airport With Their Father ..............

So All Three Boys Stayed Home In Aruba While Mom & Pop Went To Holland ........

I Doubt It Very Much .............

To All You Doubting Thomas's Here .............

Get A Life ..........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.

kbm what do you mean by "and stuff"?  Do you think she was doing drugs?

maybe some ppl here think that...dont they have the right to tink like that

Yes they do have the right to think like that.  Just like I think Joran is a cold blooded murderer.

yeh you can think that yeh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
does anyone else recall how bondia evaded the tough questions? Just traveling back down memory lane.......that point leaped out at me  :wink:


 YES I do.. I smell a FLuffa


ROFL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: the big hammer on October 25, 2006, 03:44:58 PM
KBM's Views Are Doing A Service

The monkeys are being educated and informed.

If you have ever wondered (as I have) why an entire nation could sit by and listen to and accept outright lies and nonsense as "TRUTH" then you may be seeing part of the reason why.  

Even "educated people" like kmb actually believe things like insurance scams without ever looking with scutiny at motivation for doing so and legalities for preventing these abuses.  They actually believe that the HT Family arrived on Aruba in 4 hours after hearing Natalee was missing, without ever understanding the massive logistical efforts put forth to get the family to Aruba within about 16 hours of Natalee first being reported missing, and standing in front of the sloot house within 24 hours after she entered the kalpoe vehicle.

The "belief" that Natalee was a drinker and partied alot, the statements that Americans are involved in Natalee's disappearance and on and on.

Isn't it clear that the people of Aruba have been fed a load of BS re: this case?  ANd that there's no counter balancing factual source for information, and as a result there's a boycott and it's "Americans' Fault"?

I find this amazing.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 03:45:04 PM
[quote="kbm i heard that she partied allot but i could be a false rumor[/quote]

 A few moments ago you said you saw pictures? From whom?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


For Someone Who Does'nt KNow Too Much Thats A Big Statement .....

How Do You KNOW She Partied Alot .............

 :roll:

i heard that she partied allot but i could be a false rumor


And Who Uttered These Words Of Wisdom To You ..........

SATAN ...................

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:46:30 PM
Hammer I agree, I find it amazing and also reminiscint of the same type of blind propaganda Hitler used to gain a leg up........of course the dutch would know more regarding Hitler than we would, correct?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 03:47:09 PM
kbm, it is quite easy to get into any of the community colleges (2 year colleges) in the US.  All you have to do is be able to pay the tuition.  However, it is not easy to get a degree from these colleges or to pass the classes.  I am teacher at a US college and right now only about 12 of the 24 students who started in each of my classes this term are passing the class.  We have about 6 more weeks to this term, so some more may fail, too.  You see, we believe in giving everyone a chance to prove themselves.  However, if they cannot or will not do the work and learn, they will not pass the classes or get the degree.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
KBM's Views Are Doing A Service

The monkeys are being educated and informed.

If you have ever wondered (as I have) why an entire nation could sit by and listen to and accept outright lies and nonsense as "TRUTH" then you may be seeing part of the reason why.  

Even "educated people" like kmb actually believe things like insurance scams without ever looking with scutiny at motivation for doing so and legalities for preventing these abuses.  They actually believe that the HT Family arrived on Aruba in 4 hours after hearing Natalee was missing, without ever understanding the massive logistical efforts put forth to get the family to Aruba within about 16 hours of Natalee first being reported missing, and standing in front of the sloot house within 24 hours after she entered the kalpoe vehicle.

The "belief" that Natalee was a drinker and partied alot, the statements that Americans are involved in Natalee's disappearance and on and on.

Isn't it clear that the people of Aruba have been fed a load of BS re: this case?  ANd that there's no counter balancing factual source for information, and as a result there's a boycott and it's "Americans' Fault"?

I find this amazing.

.

oke i made some wrong statements
but are you against me or something? :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
does anyone else recall how bondia evaded the tough questions? Just traveling back down memory lane.......that point leaped out at me  :wink:


Don't get me started on dat woman.  I don't want to be led down the garden path again.




If you can't tell the truth......fermer votre bouche

Rock On!!  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 03:48:17 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

uhm its says nothing about the holloway-case.

but it says that deVries was arrested that wednesday because he'd confront a cop. (he thinks that the cop had a relation with older women or something/ and theire legancy) and they say he was on a private property. and the owner warned deVries three times but he didnt moved so he get  arrested and released a couple of hours later.

deVries said that he wasnt on a private property because there was no fence etc etc

so he's gonna do another show about this thing


Thanks, KBM!  I thought it said he was arrested. So this de Vries guy is not afraid of anything and it seems he will go to any lengths to get his story.  Now that is the perfect person to be working on the Natalee Holloway case.  I'm glad that Beth was able to hook up with him!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - if you are here could you email me please?  TIA


Just did


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
THere Is NO Mention At All About Sebastian & Valintin Being Picked Up At The Airport With Their Father ..............

So All Three Boys Stayed Home In Aruba While Mom & Pop Went To Holland ........

I Doubt It Very Much .............

To All You Doubting Thomas's Here .............

Get A Life ..........

 8)

I never doubted thomas.
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:49:41 PM
Hey KBM .........

Can You Get Burundanga  On Aruba .............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
The truth is out there.


The X Files!!!

Oh -- wrong thread :oops:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:51:09 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


For Someone Who Does'nt KNow Too Much Thats A Big Statement .....

How Do You KNOW She Partied Alot .............

 :roll:


OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:51:31 PM
Hey Jacqueline, come join the party  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 03:52:02 PM
Sorry O/T

Angiex will do tomm.

Jacquie!! Sunshine... ....Go Cards!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "kbm"

uhm its says nothing about the holloway-case.

but it says that deVries was arrested that wednesday because he'd confront a cop. (he thinks that the cop had a relation with older women or something/ and theire legancy) and they say he was on a private property. and the owner warned deVries three times but he didnt moved so he get  arrested and released a couple of hours later.

deVries said that he wasnt on a private property because there was no fence etc etc

so he's gonna do another show about this thing


Thanks, KBM!  I thought it said he was arrested. So this de Vries guy is not afraid of anything and it seems he will go to any lengths to get his story.  Now that is the perfect person to be working on the Natalee Holloway case.  I'm glad that Beth was able to hook up with him!


youre welcome,

but imagine if joran would really be unguilty and then this Peter R. deVries confront/surprise him. then what would joran say?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
THere Is NO Mention At All About Sebastian & Valintin Being Picked Up At The Airport With Their Father ..............

So All Three Boys Stayed Home In Aruba While Mom & Pop Went To Holland ........

I Doubt It Very Much .............

To All You Doubting Thomas's Here .............

Get A Life ..........

 8)

I never doubted thomas.
 8)


Hi San ...........

I Could Go For A Thomas's English Muffin Right Now ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 03:52:35 PM
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Hey KBM .........

Can You Get Burundanga  On Aruba .............

 8)

whats that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey Jacqueline, come join the party  :D


How's my fav Roll Tide Fan???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "kbm"
while here not everybody thinks she's that innocent...because she parties (allot) and drink alcohol and stuff.


according to your friend Joran?

Must be true then, he's a bastion of truth and valor.

of course we are all idiots, we go to school in the US


For Someone Who Does'nt KNow Too Much Thats A Big Statement .....

How Do You KNOW She Partied Alot .............

 :roll:


OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:


HI Jacquie .........

Long Time NO Hear ...........

Why Did'nt Willie Put In Darrin Oliver In The 9th .............

Big Mistake ..........

 :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "kbm"

uhm its says nothing about the holloway-case.

but it says that deVries was arrested that wednesday because he'd confront a cop. (he thinks that the cop had a relation with older women or something/ and theire legancy) and they say he was on a private property. and the owner warned deVries three times but he didnt moved so he get  arrested and released a couple of hours later.

deVries said that he wasnt on a private property because there was no fence etc etc

so he's gonna do another show about this thing


Thanks, KBM!  I thought it said he was arrested. So this de Vries guy is not afraid of anything and it seems he will go to any lengths to get his story.  Now that is the perfect person to be working on the Natalee Holloway case.  I'm glad that Beth was able to hook up with him!


youre welcome,

but imagine if joran would really be unguilty and then this Peter R. deVries confront/surprise him. then what would joran say?


I would hope that Joran, or anyone, would say the truth.  Do you think Joran would say the truth if someone confronted/surprised him?  Would you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Hey KBM .........

Can You Get Burundanga  On Aruba .............

 8)

whats that


Google It ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

well i think there are some ppl who know allot of facts and researches it. but i only dont know al the facts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:55:34 PM
[quote="WidgetTheMidget
 :roll:[/quote]

OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:[/quote]

HI Jacquie .........

Long Time NO Hear ...........

Why Did'nt Willie Put In Darrin Oliver In The 9th .............

Big Mistake ..........

 :cry:[/quote]

I know....WE should be there now....
Crushing loss.... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

well i think there are some ppl who know allot of facts and researches it. but i only dont know al the facts.


And I'm glad you came here to talk to us about what you do know and what we know.  Only when we share our ideas, can we all find the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: "snoopy"
Sorry O/T

Angiex will do tomm.

Jacquie!! Sunshine... ....Go Cards!!


Oh Dawg, you know I have been rooting for the Cards since we made our exit...

Beat the TIGERS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hey Jacqueline, come join the party  :D


How's my fav Roll Tide Fan???


rolling baby, rolling  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
[quote="WidgetTheMidget
 :roll:


OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:[/quote]

HI Jacquie .........

Long Time NO Hear ...........

Why Did'nt Willie Put In Darrin Oliver In The 9th .............

Big Mistake ..........

 :cry:[/quote]

I know....WE should be there now....
Crushing loss.... :cry:[/quote]

But The New York Football GIANTS Looked Excellent Slamming DALLAS ..

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

well i think there are some ppl who know allot of facts and researches it. but i only dont know al the facts.


And I'm glad you came here to talk to us about what you do know and what we know.  Only when we share our ideas, can we all find the truth.

yeah i hope so


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
[quote="WidgetTheMidget
 :roll:


OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:


HI Jacquie .........

Long Time NO Hear ...........

Why Did'nt Willie Put In Darrin Oliver In The 9th .............

Big Mistake ..........

 :cry:[/quote]

I know....WE should be there now....
Crushing loss.... :cry:[/quote]

But The New York Football GIANTS Looked Excellent Slamming DALLAS ..

 :wink:[/quote]

OH YEs.....we canned the TUNA....LOL

GO TIKI


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "kbm"

uhm its says nothing about the holloway-case.

but it says that deVries was arrested that wednesday because he'd confront a cop. (he thinks that the cop had a relation with older women or something/ and theire legancy) and they say he was on a private property. and the owner warned deVries three times but he didnt moved so he get  arrested and released a couple of hours later.

deVries said that he wasnt on a private property because there was no fence etc etc

so he's gonna do another show about this thing


Thanks, KBM!  I thought it said he was arrested. So this de Vries guy is not afraid of anything and it seems he will go to any lengths to get his story.  Now that is the perfect person to be working on the Natalee Holloway case.  I'm glad that Beth was able to hook up with him!


youre welcome,

but imagine if joran would really be unguilty and then this Peter R. deVries confront/surprise him. then what would joran say?


I would hope that Joran, or anyone, would say the truth.  Do you think Joran would say the truth if someone confronted/surprised him?  Would you?


The Only Way You'llGet The Truth From JOran Is Too Have His..........

Balls In A Vice Grip And A Machete In The Other Hand Ready To Cut Off His Litle Dinghy ....

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
KBM,
Chief Dompig said on American TV that those three suspects are "guilty as hell!"  Those are his exact words.  When asked why he didn't search the Sloot house, he said a warrant was on their "Wish List."


Then he comes back very late in this and does a show claiming that Natalee drank a lot.  If it wasn't so in the beginning, why was it much later?  The chaparones were told how well the kids behaved the whole time they were there.  They go home and suddenly we hear all the kids were dreadful, etc.  

Joran graduated third of fourth, I have forgotten, out of a class of nine.  Natalee won a full scholarship to the University of Alabama for pre-med which would lead to a scholarship for med school as well as I have a son in that same program right now.  

It hurts to think somebody killed one of the girls just like his classmates for they are ALL good kids, every one of them or they don't get accepted to the med school program especially with scholarhips.  The school checks for acceptance into EASOM  Early Acceptance to School of Medicine.  They are guaranteed a seat in med school after undergrad if they still want it.  Not all schools offer this but UA does.  

Miss America started out in my son's class and when she won, she dropped out to do that.  So you see, they are exceptional kids.  We are fortunate to have them in our program here in Alabama at our University Medical Center, one of the first to do heart transplants..

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:00:13 PM
Welcome KBM...

Just a thought~

Call me silly, but when asked a direct question by someone whether I was taken by surprise, or if i knew it was coming.....

My first impulse would be just to tell the truth.... :lol:

But hey, that's just me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.


San, I think you are right.  Other than publishing articles and statements in the local papers, the grapevine (word of mouth) is the best way to communicate.  Coconut telegraph and all that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
Chief Dompig said on American TV that those three suspects are "guilty as hell!"  Those are his exact words.  When asked why he didn't search the Sloot house, he said a warrant was on their "Wish List."


Then he comes back very late in this and does a show claiming that Natalee drank a lot.  If it wasn't so in the beginning, why was it much later?  The chaparones were told how well the kids behaved the whole time they were there.  They go home and suddenly we hear all the kids were dreadful, etc.  

Joran graduated third of fourth, I have forgotten, out of a class of nine.  Natalee won a full scholarship to the University of Alabama for pre-med which would lead to a scholarship for med school as well as I have a son in that same program right now.  

It hurts to think somebody killed one of the girls just like his classmates for they are ALL good kids, every one of them or they don't get accepted to the med school program especially with scholarhips.  The school checks for acceptance into EASOM  Early Acceptance to School of Medicine.  They are guaranteed a seat in med school after undergrad if they still want it.  Not all schools offer this but UA does.  

Miss America started out in my son's class and when she won, she dropped out to do that.  So you see, they are exceptional kids.  We are fortunate to have them in our program here in Alabama at our University Medical Center, one of the first to do heart transplants..

.


Check Your Records Again Joran Was At The Bottom Of The Whole School

I Think It Was 24th Out Of 25 ...........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?


What Has JOran Told Your Family & Friends ....

That He Is Innocent ..........

Come On Dude


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:03:23 PM
kbm, we ask that you ask your friends and family to read the statements we have here that Joran, the Kalpoes, Paulus, and many others made to the ALE.  Read them and compare them.  You will see the lies and deception and the way events just don't match up in each person's story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
Chief Dompig said on American TV that those three suspects are "guilty as hell!"  Those are his exact words.  When asked why he didn't search the Sloot house, he said a warrant was on their "Wish List."


Then he comes back very late in this and does a show claiming that Natalee drank a lot.  If it wasn't so in the beginning, why was it much later?  The chaparones were told how well the kids behaved the whole time they were there.  They go home and suddenly we hear all the kids were dreadful, etc.  

Joran graduated third of fourth, I have forgotten, out of a class of nine.  Natalee won a full scholarship to the University of Alabama for pre-med which would lead to a scholarship for med school as well as I have a son in that same program right now.  

It hurts to think somebody killed one of the girls just like his classmates for they are ALL good kids, every one of them or they don't get accepted to the med school program especially with scholarhips.  The school checks for acceptance into EASOM  Early Acceptance to School of Medicine.  They are guaranteed a seat in med school after undergrad if they still want it.  Not all schools offer this but UA does.  

Miss America started out in my son's class and when she won, she dropped out to do that.  So you see, they are exceptional kids.  We are fortunate to have them in our program here in Alabama at our University Medical Center, one of the first to do heart transplants..

.

yeah but thats also i think why Dompig got a lawsuit


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 04:04:24 PM
Our I Hate JOran Fan Club Hopes That Joran Vacations In Costa Rica Real Soon ..........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 04:04:44 PM
KBM are you telling us that Dompig has a lawsuit from jvds and K2?



Klaasend... check your email...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 04:05:09 PM
kbm-

are your parents friends with Paulus and Anita von der Sloot?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:05:19 PM
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?

If that is how you read the statements then I guess they are guilty.  I only mentioned for you to tell them to read the statements.  They can draw their own conclusion.  Are you saying the statements are false?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?


What Has JOran Told Your Family & Friends ....

That He Is Innocent ..........

Come On Dude


 8)

yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: robots on October 25, 2006, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?



YES


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 04:07:28 PM
Steve Cohen official spokespersosn for AHATA said they were all guilty as hell, too and that two of them claimed to have had sex with Natalee.

She attended her Bible Study every morning before school.  Bet that was tough with all that drinking and partying she did, right?

No, you don't have to say Joran is guilty but you might explain there is an insurance data bank of all policies and they didn't even have one to pay the cost of her funeral.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[
What Has JOran Told Your Family & Friends ....

That He Is Innocent ..........

Come On Dude


 8)

yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence[/quote]

I'm thinking natalee is the unlucky one to have met up with him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on October 25, 2006, 04:07:55 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?


What Has JOran Told Your Family & Friends ....

That He Is Innocent ..........

Come On Dude


 8)

yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence


Him Being Unlucky Has Not Come To Past Yet Dude .............

I Doubt If He Will See HIs 21st Birthday ..............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence


kbm, in my experience, there is very little in this world to do with luck.  People create their own luck.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:10:14 PM
If you believe in the Catholic religion, then you probably believe in free will.  People make choices and these effect the outcome of events.  No luck there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
[yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence


I'm thinking natalee is the unlucky one to have met up with him.[/quote]

Hey, Jacque,

Now ain't that the truth!
 
Joran is running around smirking and mugging for the camera and saying some day he may actually tell what happened.  Natalee is likely stone cold dead.

Soneone so alive and young being killed for no reason is such a sad sad thing.

. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:12:28 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.

i read some of the statements.
but what i think happened is that the police for example said too 2k:
"joran said he's guilty and your also responsible" and viceversa

but in reallife joran didnt said that.

and then 2k says: "we have nothing to do with it. and joran is a big lyer"

and then maybe they got a "fight" with eachother and start talking crap. because they dont see each other.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"

Thanks, KBM!  I thought it said he was arrested. So this de Vries guy is not afraid of anything and it seems he will go to any lengths to get his story.  Now that is the perfect person to be working on the Natalee Holloway case.  I'm glad that Beth was able to hook up with him!


youre welcome,

but imagine if joran would really be unguilty and then this Peter R. deVries confront/surprise him. then what would joran say?


Well KBM, how well do you trust this de Vries guy? Does he have the integrity to report things as they really are or does he just do stories for ratings?  If Joran is innocent then he will report that.  If Joran is guilty, let him report that too.  At least someone is looking at the story with a fresh eye.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 04:13:32 PM
Quote from: Jacqueline
Quote from: "kbm"
[

I'm thinking natalee is the unlucky one to have met up with him.


My SISTAH... says it like it is!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, no one here is against you.  We are quite amazed that the people of Aruba, and you, hold such beliefs without any evidence or proof.  We find it amazing that the people of Aruba do not read or know the facts in this case.

Well maybe kbm can help out in that area.  He can spread the word to his friends and family and ask them to read the statements and they will see why the Americans think J2K are guilty.  Word of mouth.

so in other words i have to tell my friends and family that joran is guilty?> :?


What Has JOran Told Your Family & Friends ....

That He Is Innocent ..........

Come On Dude


 8)

yeh
i think he's just unlucky..and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time...having nothing to do with the dissapearence


Him Being Unlucky Has Not Come To Past Yet Dude .............

I Doubt If He Will See HIs 21st Birthday ..............

 8)

plz talk a litle bit as a adult man


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.

i read some of the statements.
but what i think happened is that the police for example said too 2k:
"joran said he's guilty and your also responsible" and viceversa

but in reallife joran didnt said that.

and then 2k says: "we have nothing to do with it. and joran is a big lyer"

and then maybe they got a "fight" with eachother and start talking crap. because they dont see each other.


With all due respect your posts are beginning to sound like a big steaming pile of bullshit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.

i read some of the statements.
but what i think happened is that the police for example said too 2k:
"joran said he's guilty and your also responsible" and viceversa

but in reallife joran didnt said that.

and then 2k says: "we have nothing to do with it. and joran is a big lyer"

and then maybe they got a "fight" with eachother and start talking crap. because they dont see each other.


Hi KBM- you are right.  This could have been what happened with those statements.

But here is the question --- If they were innocent, then why did they have to lie?  They could just tell the truth and we wouldn't be sitting here almost 2 yrs later debating it.

Can you see our point?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 04:16:13 PM
But KBM even by your theory that someone else took Natalee after Joran invisibly left her on the beach leaves him culpable.  Had he not lured Natalee into that car, she would have just returned to the HI with the rest of her group and been just fine and returned alive to her family.

See, even if he didn't do it, it is still his responsibility.  He should have seen her back to safety as she would have been if he had not come along with his dirty mind trying to have sex with her.

So any way you look at it, Joran's the one.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.

i read some of the statements.
but what i think happened is that the police for example said too 2k:
"joran said he's guilty and your also responsible" and viceversa

but in reallife joran didnt said that.

and then 2k says: "we have nothing to do with it. and joran is a big lyer"

and then maybe they got a "fight" with eachother and start talking crap. because they dont see each other.


With all due respect your posts are beginning to sound like a big steaming pile of bullshit.

why? i heard that police work like that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:17:21 PM
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:18:36 PM
So as Nedeira put it...

Even Big People Lie.  everyone lies.

Everyone in Aruba lies....

except for Joran, and if he did lie it was only because he was afraid?

Got ya!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 04:19:21 PM
Quote from: "kbm"

why? i heard that police work like that

Speaking of police what do you think of Dennis Jacobs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:20:02 PM
Anyway, I do hear that police work like that, too.  I also hear that it usually gets one or the other of the suspects to tell the truth.  By turning them on each other, the least innocent of the suspects will tell the whole truth to clear himself, by comparison to the other.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:21:03 PM
I wonder which of the three suspects are telling the truth?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "kbm"

why? i heard that police work like that

Speaking of police what do you think of Dennis Jacobs.

uhm i only know his name...and nothing more


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 04:21:24 PM
I still want to know who is suing Dompig? :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Yeah, I can tell bullshit when I see it too, lady.  You are being rude.  Deal with that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: LilPuma on October 25, 2006, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
KBM's Views Are Doing A Service

The monkeys are being educated and informed.

If you have ever wondered (as I have) why an entire nation could sit by and listen to and accept outright lies and nonsense as "TRUTH" then you may be seeing part of the reason why.  

Even "educated people" like kmb actually believe things like insurance scams without ever looking with scutiny at motivation for doing so and legalities for preventing these abuses.  They actually believe that the HT Family arrived on Aruba in 4 hours after hearing Natalee was missing, without ever understanding the massive logistical efforts put forth to get the family to Aruba within about 16 hours of Natalee first being reported missing, and standing in front of the sloot house within 24 hours after she entered the kalpoe vehicle.

The "belief" that Natalee was a drinker and partied alot, the statements that Americans are involved in Natalee's disappearance and on and on.

Isn't it clear that the people of Aruba have been fed a load of BS re: this case?  ANd that there's no counter balancing factual source for information, and as a result there's a boycott and it's "Americans' Fault"?

I find this amazing.

.

oke i made some wrong statements
but are you against me or something? :?


I'm kinda jumping in in the middle of this - didn't read back far enough to see how it started.  I agree with Big Hammer.  KBM, we've heard a lot of statements blaming Natalee, Beth, Dave, Jug, the American media, American tourists.  I've seen pictures of Natalee in friends homes with a drink in her hand - don't know what was in the glass.  I've seen pics of friends of hers with bottles of alcohol in the picture.  Like most high school kids, I'm sure the MB teens drank alcohol.  We don't know how often.  But no one who knew Natalee described her as a drinker, a party girl.  One of her friends said Natalee was the least experienced with boys.  But grab a few pics off the internet, claim she was over-the-top drunk, get a drug user/seller to say he saw her with drugs, criticize her for being naive enough to trust Joran vd Sloot and get into the car with him, and suddenly it looks like she asked for it?  It's her fault.  What a slut.  No need to solve this crime, which explains ALE's lack of concern for aggressively trying to solve this case - who cares about the loose American tourist who disappeared herself, she deserved what she got.  This is the crap we've been hearing from Aruba.  I for one would welcome someone who could give us some perspective from the other side; let us know what people are saying, how they think.  But understand that there has been a lot of propoganda aimed at making Aruba and the son of a failed Aruban judge look innocent.  I came to this site after a long time reading here and posting elsewhere because they really do analyze facts, look for statements, reports, something to help them determine what's true in this sea of lies.  They want justice for this family, for Natalee.    Americans are used to being criticized by the world.  But Aruba snubbed their noses at a desperate and distraught family searching for their daughter and have thrown out criticisms of every American involved in this (except Joe Tacopina) and America in general.  They blame Natalee.  They blame Beth.  They blame America.  Clearly, Arubans don't think much of Americans and the boycott is the result.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I still want to know who is suing Dompig? :?

its just what i heard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 04:24:59 PM
Quick question kmb --

Have you heard anything about the drugging of people's drinks at Carlos & Charlies?

Detective Dennis Jacobs warned Dave Holloway -- Natalee's dad - about it, and Diario had a big article about how prevalent it is.

What kind of drugs are used in tourists drinks??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
[quote="WidgetTheMidget
 :roll:


OT...OH Widge, it still hurts... :cry:


HI Jacquie .........

Long Time NO Hear ...........

Why Did'nt Willie Put In Darrin Oliver In The 9th .............

Big Mistake ..........

 :cry:


I know....WE should be there now....
Crushing loss.... :cry:[/quote]

But The New York Football GIANTS Looked Excellent Slamming DALLAS ..

 :wink:[/quote]

OH YEs.....we canned the TUNA....LOL

GO TIKI[/quote]



 :roll:  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Yeah, I can tell bullshit when I see it too, lady.  You are being rude.  Deal with that.


So funny AZ how others have posted their skeptism of this poster yet you choose to attack me.

Widget was not rude in his posts, was he?

But you single out one person.

As for being rude.......

I think you cornered the market on that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 04:26:17 PM
kbm-

are your parents friends with Paulus and Anita von der Sloot? TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
And my last question for awhile kmb -- I promise. :D

Do you know Guido Weaver??

If so, do you know what kind of car he drove and what color it was?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "the big hammer"
KBM's Views Are Doing A Service

The monkeys are being educated and informed.

If you have ever wondered (as I have) why an entire nation could sit by and listen to and accept outright lies and nonsense as "TRUTH" then you may be seeing part of the reason why.  

Even "educated people" like kmb actually believe things like insurance scams without ever looking with scutiny at motivation for doing so and legalities for preventing these abuses.  They actually believe that the HT Family arrived on Aruba in 4 hours after hearing Natalee was missing, without ever understanding the massive logistical efforts put forth to get the family to Aruba within about 16 hours of Natalee first being reported missing, and standing in front of the sloot house within 24 hours after she entered the kalpoe vehicle.

The "belief" that Natalee was a drinker and partied alot, the statements that Americans are involved in Natalee's disappearance and on and on.

Isn't it clear that the people of Aruba have been fed a load of BS re: this case?  ANd that there's no counter balancing factual source for information, and as a result there's a boycott and it's "Americans' Fault"?

I find this amazing.

.

oke i made some wrong statements
but are you against me or something? :?


I'm kinda jumping in in the middle of this - didn't read back far enough to see how it started.  I agree with Big Hammer.  KBM, we've heard a lot of statements blaming Natalee, Beth, Dave, Jug, the American media, American tourists.  I've seen pictures of Natalee in friends homes with a drink in her hand - don't know what was in the glass.  I've seen pics of friends of hers with bottles of alcohol in the picture.  Like most high school kids, I'm sure the MB teens drank alcohol.  We don't know how often.  But no one who knew Natalee described her as a drinker, a party girl.  One of her friends said Natalee was the least experienced with boys.  But grab a few pics off the internet, claim she was over-the-top drunk, get a drug user/seller to say he saw her with drugs, criticize her for being naive enough to trust Joran vd Sloot and get into the car with him, and suddenly it looks like she asked for it?  It's her fault.  What a slut.  No need to solve this crime, which explains ALE's lack of concern for aggressively trying to solve this case - who cares about the loose American tourist who disappeared herself, she deserved what she got.  This is the crap we've been hearing from Aruba.  I for one would welcome someone who could give us some perspective from the other side; let us know what people are saying, how they think.  But understand that there has been a lot of propoganda aimed at making Aruba and the son of a failed Aruban judge look innocent.  I came to this site after a long time reading here and posting elsewhere because they really do analyze facts, look for statements, reports, something to help them determine what's true in this sea of lies.  They want justice for this family, for Natalee.    Americans are used to being criticized by the world.  But Aruba snubbed their noses at a desperate and distraught family searching for their daughter and have thrown out criticisms of every American involved in this (except Joe Tacopina) and America in general.  They blame Natalee.  They blame Beth.  They blame America.  Clearly, Arubans don't think much of Americans and the boycott is the result.

ty voor your opinion. but i also dont think for example that it was respectfull that so much american ppl said on internet that joran is scum, muderer, rapist etc etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 04:28:24 PM
Well, I promised not to post anymore because I was being too aggressive with our new poster, but if this is Kawish, his picture is on the C&C pictures the night Natalee disappeared, so how can you be in two places at one time?  Holland and Carlos & Charlies?  

Another point, the lie about the insurance was one perpetuated by that fat, woman who wears see-through-blouses and her idaho friends.  

I have never seen one of the "island girls" on the PIMPS site that did not look like trash.  As far as Natalee partying and doing other things, where did you see any such pictures?  

I am through with this.  I'm outta here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:29:09 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quick question kmb --

Have you heard anything about the drugging of people's drinks at Carlos & Charlies?

Detective Dennis Jacobs warned Dave Holloway -- Natalee's dad - about it, and Diario had a big article about how prevalent it is.

What kind of drugs are used in tourists drinks??

i never heard of it before this case...so i dont know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
And my last question for awhile kmb -- I promise. :D

Do you know Guido Weaver??

If so, do you know what kind of car he drove and what color it was?


 Great question Sharon... I was gonna ask about the same quaetion you just did!

KMB.. do you know Guido?  Inquiring minds wanna know!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
And my last question for awhile kmb -- I promise. :D

Do you know Guido Weaver??

If so, do you know what kind of car he drove and what color it was?

yes i do know him (from tennis) but i already didnt see him for a couple of years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: sharon on October 25, 2006, 04:31:57 PM
Thanks for the replies kbm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thecuz on October 25, 2006, 04:32:13 PM
tyler..don't leave....really in the picture???

KBM....if you really want this case solved....if you want to help aruba...i know "friends" of joran know what happened...you will do us all a favor and help......
BOYCOTT ARUBA until this happens....this will not change EVER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, I promised not to post anymore because I was being too aggressive with our new poster, but if this is Kawish, his picture is on the C&C pictures the night Natalee disappeared, so how can you be in two places at one time?  Holland and Carlos & Charlies?  

Another point, the lie about the insurance was one perpetuated by that fat, woman who wears see-through-blouses and her idaho friends.  

I have never seen one of the "island girls" on the PIMPS site that did not look like trash.  As far as Natalee partying and doing other things, where did you see any such pictures?  

I am through with this.  I'm outta here.

well the guy in the c&c pic is 100% not me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: "thecuz"
tyler..don't leave....really in the picture???

KBM....if you really want this case solved....if you want to help aruba...i know "friends" of joran know what happened...you will do us all a favor and help......
BOYCOTT ARUBA until this happens....this will not change EVER

i think THAT FRIENDS OF JORAN DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 04:34:38 PM
You don't think Joran owes Natalee's family the truth after he is the one who took her away from her friends and safety?  If he had not done that, she would be home safe like all the other students but he can't even tell them the truth about what happened?

That is scum to do that.  It makes him look guilty as Dompig said he was.  I don't think anybody is suing Dompig for anything because they do NOT want him to tell in court what he very likely knows in this.  That would be wonderful if he could do so.

And that is the reason no one will sue Beth for saying Joran is a rapists, etc. because then they would have to go to court and all would come out, the dirty stuff they do not want to tell.

Just my opinion on why it is OK to call Joran just about anything since he won't tell the truth.

/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: LilPuma on October 25, 2006, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "AZLady"
kbm, have you had time to read the statements yet?  It's a lot of reading.  I would recommend you print them out and read them, one at a time.  Use your pen or highlighter as you read and keep track of the different versions of what happened.  Then, show these to your friends and family.  Let them make up their own minds, as educated and intelligent people should.

i read some of the statements.
but what i think happened is that the police for example said too 2k:
"joran said he's guilty and your also responsible" and viceversa

but in reallife joran didnt said that.

and then 2k says: "we have nothing to do with it. and joran is a big lyer"

and then maybe they got a "fight" with eachother and start talking crap. because they dont see each other.


KBM, police often do separate suspects and claim one is rolling over on the other in order to get the suspect to tell them the truth.  Police will pretend to have statements or evidence to make the suspect think he is cornered.  However, the police would be completely irresponsible to keep such lies in their case file showing them as statements by the suspect.   Aruba wants people to believe what you're saying here.  Again, they should NOT keep their interrogation notes in a case file stating they are statements by the suspects.  I doubt ALE did that.  These are most likely statements by the suspects that ALE never thought would go public.  False statements created and used for interrogation should be labeled as such so that investigators, prosecutors and judges don't confuse them.  These statements came out long after J2K were released.  There would be no need to still present or hold these "false" statements as statements by the suspects.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, I promised not to post anymore because I was being too aggressive with our new poster, but if this is Kawish, his picture is on the C&C pictures the night Natalee disappeared, so how can you be in two places at one time?  Holland and Carlos & Charlies?  

Another point, the lie about the insurance was one perpetuated by that fat, woman who wears see-through-blouses and her idaho friends.  

I have never seen one of the "island girls" on the PIMPS site that did not look like trash.  As far as Natalee partying and doing other things, where did you see any such pictures?  

I am through with this.  I'm outta here.

well the guy in the c&c pic is 100% not me


KBM? Do you kow exactly what photo Tyler is talking about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
You don't think Joran owes Natalee's family the truth after he is the one who took her away from her friends and safety?  If he had not done that, she would be home safe like all the other students but he can't even tell them the truth about what happened?

That is scum to do that.  It makes him look guilty as Dompig said he was.  I don't think anybody is suing Dompig for anything because they do NOT want him to tell in court what he very likely knows in this.  That would be wonderful if he could do so.

And that is the reason no one will sue Beth for saying Joran is a rapists, etc. because then they would have to go to court and all would come out, the dirty stuff they do not want to tell.

Just my opinion on why it is OK to call Joran just about anything since he won't tell the truth.

/

yeh but he said that he already told the truth. but if you still dont believe him than thats up to you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - if you are here could you email me please?  TIA


Just did

I finally got ahold of Red - had to shut down my PC for a bit and run to get a flu shot.  Just got back.  Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:38:54 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, I promised not to post anymore because I was being too aggressive with our new poster, but if this is Kawish, his picture is on the C&C pictures the night Natalee disappeared, so how can you be in two places at one time?  Holland and Carlos & Charlies?  

Another point, the lie about the insurance was one perpetuated by that fat, woman who wears see-through-blouses and her idaho friends.  

I have never seen one of the "island girls" on the PIMPS site that did not look like trash.  As far as Natalee partying and doing other things, where did you see any such pictures?  

I am through with this.  I'm outta here.

well the guy in the c&c pic is 100% not me


KBM? Do you kow exactly what photo Tyler is talking about?

the one where "kawish was waering a hat right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Mrs. Red - if you are here could you email me please?  TIA


Just did

I finally got ahold of Red - had to shut down my PC for a bit and run to get a flu shot.  Just got back.  Thanks.

I hate flue shots :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:41:42 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, I promised not to post anymore because I was being too aggressive with our new poster, but if this is Kawish, his picture is on the C&C pictures the night Natalee disappeared, so how can you be in two places at one time?  Holland and Carlos & Charlies?  

Another point, the lie about the insurance was one perpetuated by that fat, woman who wears see-through-blouses and her idaho friends.  

I have never seen one of the "island girls" on the PIMPS site that did not look like trash.  As far as Natalee partying and doing other things, where did you see any such pictures?  

I am through with this.  I'm outta here.

well the guy in the c&c pic is 100% not me


KBM? Do you kow exactly what photo Tyler is talking about?

the one where "kawish was waering a hat right?


I dont know.. I was wondering which it was? is there a link?
Also.. sorry for bombardig you.. but whats the story with Gerald Domping? Who is suing him and why?  TIA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:44:45 PM
uhm i dont have the link


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 04:45:43 PM
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/Kawishcompare.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cnc5.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:47:04 PM
ask red if kbm is kawish


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
uhm i dont have the link


 Oh.. it's ok. No problem.
But what about Domping? Whats he getting sued for?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: LilPuma on October 25, 2006, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
ty voor your opinion. but i also dont think for example that it was respectfull that so much american ppl said on internet that joran is scum, muderer, rapist etc etc.


Good point!  But Joran himself, his family, the Kalpoes and Aruban police have made him look to be just that.  We didn't fabricate anything; the lies and disinterest in getting to the truth came from Aruba.  Why?  No matter what your legal system is, law enforcement needs to communicate with and be honest with the family.  They should not deliberately lie to the media.  And if Joran and the Kalpoes are not innocent, the many stories they've told should not have had so many discrepancies.  Remember that this was only 2 or 3 hours, not days.  It shouldn't be that difficult to remember if they went to the lighthouse, if Natalee was drunk and on drugs or "knew what she was doing", and how everyone, except Natalee, got home.  Red flags all over the place.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 04:48:50 PM
kbm - who is suing Dompig and for what?  Do you know?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 04:52:15 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[/

yeh but he said that he already told the truth. but if you still dont believe him than thats up to you[/quote]

Which version was the truth?  Deepak killed her and we buried her?  I got out of the car and left her with Deepak and Satish to take back to the HI?  

If he left her on the beach at the Marriott, the fishermen right off shore all night would have seen him.  They say no one there except for one white car for about thirty minutes.  No Joran No Natalee.

If you make someone's child disappear then won't tell what you did with her, yes, they have to right to call you a few names at the least.  This was not a book from the library, Joran's SwissK's or a nameless piece of meat.  She was a human being who was and is very much loved and is missed every minute of every day.

How dare he lie about this as he does?

I would be furious were I you for the damage he has done to Aruba's good name that it no longer has because of this "Innocent" goon.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 04:53:52 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something

You have got to be kidding?  Details of the case have been giving out to every reporter in Aruba.  Are you saying Dompig is the one leaking information?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "kbm"
ty voor your opinion. but i also dont think for example that it was respectfull that so much american ppl said on internet that joran is scum, muderer, rapist etc etc.


Good point!  But Joran himself, his family, the Kalpoes and Aruban police have made him look to be just that.  We didn't fabricate anything; the lies and disinterest in getting to the truth came from Aruba.  Why?  No matter what your legal system is, law enforcement needs to communicate with and be honest with the family.  They should not deliberately lie to the media.  And if Joran and the Kalpoes are not innocent, the many stories they've told should not have had so many discrepancies.  Remember that this was only 2 or 3 hours, not days.  It shouldn't be that difficult to remember if they went to the lighthouse, if Natalee was drunk and on drugs or "knew what she was doing", and how everyone, except Natalee, got home.  Red flags all over the place.

but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: klaasend
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:


Watch those expressions of your feelings my sistah or AZ Lady may scold you as well.... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:56:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something

You have got to be kidding?  Details of the case have been giving out to every reporter in Aruba.  Are you saying Dompig is the one leaking information?

maybe
thats what some say


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:

whats a fluffa~ho?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something

You have got to be kidding?  Details of the case have been giving out to every reporter in Aruba.  Are you saying Dompig is the one leaking information?

maybe
thats what some say

Wasn't it Michael Dompig that told Dave Holloway that Koen's boat went out that night?  Isn't it Michael Dompig and GVC that supposidly have something to do with selling drugs to tourists?

Funny island :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something

We don't know any details about the case.  The only information we know comes from Joe Tocopina, David Kock, Julia Renfro or Jossy Mansur when they are on the MSN news programs.  The justice minister put a gag order on Dompig and Janssen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know
but i suspect that it was because he gave details about the case before the infestigation was done or something

You have got to be kidding?  Details of the case have been giving out to every reporter in Aruba.  Are you saying Dompig is the one leaking information?

maybe
thats what some say

Wasn't it Michael Dompig that told Dave Holloway that Koen's boat went out that night?  Isn't it Michael Dompig and GVC that supposidly have something to do with selling drugs to tourists?

Funny island :roll:

yeh i think michael said that.
but i dont know anything about michael selling drugs :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: Jacqueline
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:


Watch those expressions of your feelings my sistah or AZ Lady may scold you as well.... :wink:


hey chicky.. well I am entitled to my opinions just like anyone else here! IF KBM is REALLY Kawish, then I will apologize.. I am not trying to give this person a hard time.  I have read last night and today.. and IMO.. I smell REN~HO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: SunFreak2 on October 25, 2006, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: klaasend
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


His Tickle space says he is on-line now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:


Watch those expressions of your feelings my sistah or AZ Lady may scold you as well.... :wink:


hey chicky.. well I am entitled to my opinions just like anyone else here! IF KBM is REALLY Kawish, then I will apologize.. I am not trying to give this person a hard time.  I have read last night and today.. and IMO.. I smell REN~HO!

okej


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:01:53 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


Well surprise, surprise, surprise!!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:


Watch those expressions of your feelings my sistah or AZ Lady may scold you as well.... :wink:


hey chicky.. well I am entitled to my opinions just like anyone else here! IF KBM is REALLY Kawish, then I will apologize.. I am not trying to give this person a hard time.  I have read last night and today.. and IMO.. I smell REN~HO!


Oh I'm with you Ang.

My quote was tongue in cheek.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: kbm
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:

whats a fluffa~ho?


an American expression


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: kbm
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:

whats a fluffa~ho?


we'll tell you but only after you respond to my question of if your parents are friends with Paulus and Anita von der Sloot?

Seems fair, right?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: kbm
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I have to say I agree with KBM that the person in this picture is not Kawish.  

I'm not quite as convinced that KBM is Kawish though  :wink:


 I agree.. I smell a FLuffa~Ho or a Fluffa~Ho friend :evil:

whats a fluffa~ho?


 Ask Julia Renfro.. Im sure she would be kind enough to explain.. or hell.. even show you? :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)

yeh i dont care if you think im me or if im not me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: LilPuma on October 25, 2006, 05:04:19 PM
KBM, as I'm reading back a few pages, I see the questions have really been coming at you!  If you have a chance to respond, now or later, I hope you could tell us what you and your friends think happened to Natalee.  You say you don't think Joran or the Kalpoes did anything to her; you don't think the MB teens did anything to her.  You and your friends know what goes on in Aruba.  What do you think might have happened?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)


nuh uh, I'm Grace Kelly which trumps all of ya'll  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:04:25 PM
.
Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)


LOL  I thought Ivana Trumps Miss America  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

.


Did someone tell Tylergal not to post?  I was gone for about an hour and haven't been able to read back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

.


Did someone tell Tylergal not to post?  I was gone for about an hour and haven't been able to read back.


evidently? Like Anna I'm very concerned.......we need tyler


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Frijole on October 25, 2006, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
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Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

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Did someone tell Tylergal not to post?  I was gone for about an hour and haven't been able to read back.


Don't think so... think she got pissed off... couldn't figure out why, in fact thought she might be kidding... hope so....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
KBM, as I'm reading back a few pages, I see the questions have really been coming at you!  If you have a chance to respond, now or later, I hope you could tell us what you and your friends think happened to Natalee.  You say you don't think Joran or the Kalpoes did anything to her; you don't think the MB teens did anything to her.  You and your friends know what goes on in Aruba.  What do you think might have happened?

we really dont know what happened
thats why its also such a big mystery.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:06:38 PM
We have had someone from Lansing Community College online most of the day, too.   :D The vultures are circling!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)

yeh i dont care if you think im me or if im not me


Uh KBM - you do realize that if RED knows, then I know. I am married to him  -  I was kidding with the other posters... that is a joke about Donald TRUMP who owns the Miss America contest... if you want respect, you need to show respect.  Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)


nuh uh, I'm Grace Kelly which trumps all of ya'll  :lol:


you missed the joke.... LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:07:59 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

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NOT ME ... I don't ever tell anyone not to post....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

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and let me say that I think she should be in here right now posting!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: nonesuche on October 25, 2006, 05:08:27 PM
:oops: don't rub it in mrs, I'm multi-tasking  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:08:55 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "kbm"
ask red if kbm is kawish


I could tell red I am Miss America?  Not being rude.


No - I am Miss America.   :lol: Sister Fluffah


Well I am Nicole Kidman.... which Trumps Miss America... (get it??)

yeh i dont care if you think im me or if im not me


Uh KBM - you do realize that if RED knows, then I know. I am married to him  -  I was kidding with the other posters... that is a joke about Donald TRUMP who owns the Miss America contest... if you want respect, you need to show respect.  Thanks.

i know that he owns that;) when didnt i show respect


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
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Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

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Did someone tell Tylergal not to post?  I was gone for about an hour and haven't been able to read back.



and I am SURE it wasn't RED....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:10:15 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[we really dont know what happened
thats why its also such a big mystery.


Arlene the Attorney Spokesbabe says she just vanished, too!  Just disappeared.  

No she didn't.  And the place to start with what happened to her is for the last seen with her to finally tell the truth and stop with the BS of leaving her on the beach at the Marriott where those fishermen were who say that did not happen.
Why would fishermen lie?  But Joran would to save his own sorry butt.

Just what I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: mrs. red on October 25, 2006, 05:12:36 PM
BBL....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:14:35 PM
TYLERGAL - I don't know who suggested that you not post but THEY ARE WRONG!!!

Please get back here!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
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Who told Tylergirl not to post?  That's what I want to know.

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Did someone tell Tylergal not to post?  I was gone for about an hour and haven't been able to read back.


Last night --email I think.  I will get it out of her.  

We have been together since about the third day Natalee was missing.  Along with her DH back then.  I miss her terribly when she does not post.  It's like no one reads my posts or something.  I know that's not true, it's just that I want HER to read them.

 :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:15:06 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:15:54 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:17:57 PM
OK, I should have posted this with those posters:

Thanks for contacting Men Can Stop Rape. Please feel free to reproduce
one of our posters online as long as nothing is change and the following
text is included with it (the font size can be small): Copyright (c)
2006 Men Can Stop Rape, Inc. Photography by Lotte Hansen.

Best,
Pat

Pat McGann, Ph.D.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/MCSRposter5of81.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 05:18:24 PM
KBM  you have been respectful thus far.. from all that I have read in your posts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
OK, I should have posted this with those posters:

Thanks for contacting Men Can Stop Rape. Please feel free to reproduce
one of our posters online as long as nothing is change and the following
text is included with it (the font size can be small): Copyright (c)
2006 Men Can Stop Rape, Inc. Photography by Lotte Hansen.

Best,
Pat

Pat McGann, Ph.D.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/MCSRposter5of81.jpg)


why dont you grow up a little bit?
do u really think that this post is gonna solve the case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:20:01 PM
KBM,
They didn't mean YOU were not Kawish and were teasing Red that he can't tell who we really are.  Not teasing you.  This time.   :D Teasing Red the site owner.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KBM  you have been respectful thus far.. from all that I have read in your posts.

ty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KBM,
They didn't mean YOU were not Kawish and were teasing Red that he can't tell who we really are.  Not teasing you.  This time.   :D Teasing Red the site owner.

.

ooh oke thank you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on October 25, 2006, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KBM  you have been respectful thus far.. from all that I have read in your posts.

ty


 YW


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Yeah, I can tell bullshit when I see it too, lady.  You are being rude.  Deal with that.


So funny AZ how others have posted their skeptism of this poster yet you choose to attack me.

Widget was not rude in his posts, was he?

But you single out one person.

As for being rude.......

I think you cornered the market on that one.


Jacqueline, this person came here last night to share ideas about the case.  He has been polite and courteous to everyone.  I am not singling you out anymore than anyone else who thinks it is amusing to attack someone unprovoked.  I have a very patient temper, so I'll just brush off you and other's rude comments.  However, I do wish to apologize to kbm for the rudeness of some of the Monkeys here.  I am sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:23:37 PM
why dont you grow up a little bit?
do u really think that this post is gonna solve the case?[/quote]

I beg your pardon?  When I posted this this morning I said it was sort of off topic but not completely.

And do I think teaching young men who apparently don't know these things will help?  Yes, I certainly do.  You are entitled to your own opinion but I think this is a very good idea.  More power to them.

As for solving this case, nothing short of Aruba conducting a real investigation for a change is going to do that.  When Aruba stops covering for Joran and Paulus van der Sloot, then this case will be solved and not before.

It is very odd you find the poster so offensive, however, for I think it is very nice.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:26:02 PM
I don't think telling me to grow up is very respectful.

But then I am used to being bashed from the days when so many defended Bon Dia and the other Aruban posters who were just lying to us.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Yeah, I can tell bullshit when I see it too, lady.  You are being rude.  Deal with that.


So funny AZ how others have posted their skeptism of this poster yet you choose to attack me.

Widget was not rude in his posts, was he?

But you single out one person.

As for being rude.......

I think you cornered the market on that one.


Jacqueline, this person came here last night to share ideas about the case.  He has been polite and courteous to everyone.  I am not singling you out anymore than anyone else who thinks it is amusing to attack someone unprovoked.  I have a very patient temper, so I'll just brush off you and other's rude comments.  However, I do wish to apologize to kbm for the rudeness of some of the Monkeys here.  I am sorry.

yeh i agree
but you dont have to say sorry:Phehe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...

ty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Jacqueline on October 25, 2006, 05:29:33 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Jacqueline"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Excuse me, Jacqueline, but if you cannot understand kbm's posts, it might be your own lack of ability to comprehend.  Your frustration doesn't give you the right to insult his writing.


I beg to differ.

I comprehend bullshit when I hear it.

And I have just as much right as you do to express my feelings.

Deal with it.


Yeah, I can tell bullshit when I see it too, lady.  You are being rude.  Deal with that.


So funny AZ how others have posted their skeptism of this poster yet you choose to attack me.

Widget was not rude in his posts, was he?

But you single out one person.

As for being rude.......

I think you cornered the market on that one.


Jacqueline, this person came here last night to share ideas about the case.  He has been polite and courteous to everyone.  I am not singling you out anymore than anyone else who thinks it is amusing to attack someone unprovoked.  I have a very patient temper, so I'll just brush off you and other's rude comments.  However, I do wish to apologize to kbm for the rudeness of some of the Monkeys here.  I am sorry.


Actually AZ you did single me out.

And if KBM had a problem with me he can handle himself.

I wish to apologize to KBM as well.

And to the Other Monkeys,

I'm out of here.  And unlike Darleen, i won't be back.

There are alot of great people here and I have had much fun.

But I will not get scolded by AZ or anyone else for expressing my opinons.

That is what a forum is suppose to be about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...

ty


Very fishy, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:32:20 PM
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

why does it smell fishy. im just improving in the english language.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 05:35:11 PM
kbm

Was Freddy's brother, Ernesto, at Hiram's bday party??  Maybe a stay over from Soul Beach festival??  Was he one of Freddy's relatives that was questioned??  He does seem to be a role model for Hiram and that group.  Where exactly do those "men" hope to model??  Not GQ, IMO.

Thanks

and

Are your parents friends with the Sloots??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:35:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?

for example that the driver in the van isnt jorans father


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?

for example that the driver in the van isnt jorans father


#1  How would you know for sure?

Edited to add - It probably isn't Paulus, most likely it's Lorenzo.  The same Lorenzo you claim not to know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 05:38:45 PM
Just what we need - infighting!  Kawish or kbm is as much a member as any else and his posts should respected.  If someone chooses to debate kbm - that is between the poster and kbm and anyone outside that conversation should refrain from making personal attacks on either one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 05:39:15 PM
Jacqueline, I honestly don't understand your anger and huffiness.  First, you attack kbm, although he has been nothing but polite.  I do not agree with his opinions, as I know you don't, but we can listen to him.  I wish you would not leave, or anyone else.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?

for example that the driver in the van isnt jorans father


#1  How would you know for sure?

well im pretty sure im right;)
maybe im wrong and that paulus did plastic churchery:S and thats why think its not him


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:41:01 PM
KBM,
Why do you suppose Anita said THAT GIRL (Arubans never say Natalee, I wonder why?) should have never gotten into that car with thsoe boys?  What does she know about those boys to make her think this.

If a girl got into the car with one of my sons, I would think she was a very good judge of character because she would be safe with my son.  But Anita seems to think if you can get a girl into a car, you can do anything you like including make her disappear.

Maybe if Joran had seen one of those posters he would have known right from worng which apparently even his own mother does not know.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:41:04 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Just what we need - infighting!  Kawish or kbm is as much a member as any else and his posts should respected.  If someone chooses to debate kbm - that is between the poster and kbm and anyone outside that conversation should refrain from making personal attacks on either one.


Leslie - I have some doubts about kbm's identity.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 05:41:36 PM
Kawish:  We were told that the driver of the Earthquake van is Lorenzo van Rijn and he bears a striking resemblance to Paul van der Sloot.   Have you ever seen this vehicle driving around Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 05:43:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Just what we need - infighting!  Kawish or kbm is as much a member as any else and his posts should respected.  If someone chooses to debate kbm - that is between the poster and kbm and anyone outside that conversation should refrain from making personal attacks on either one.

Leslie - I have some doubts about kbm's identity.

Innocent until proven guilty!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 05:45:23 PM
I think we have just about reviewed every misleading "theory" that was thrown out over a year ago.  We always felt there were higher-ups, or follow the money crowd.  IMO that's why all of a sudden Posner gets mentioned.  Might be one territory we would respond to.

I hear Devries uses secret eavesdropping devices and other covert things.  I'm glad the polis are not "too scary" for him.  Maybe forgetful or twenty different version, statements we be clarified with a Dutch tape.  The American tape didn't go over so well...even though the listener knows what he heard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Just what we need - infighting!  Kawish or kbm is as much a member as any else and his posts should respected.  If someone chooses to debate kbm - that is between the poster and kbm and anyone outside that conversation should refrain from making personal attacks on either one.


Leslie - I have some doubts about kbm's identity.


Klaas, I've had the same doubts all along, but it's interesting to see what he'd like to tell us, isn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kuoka on October 25, 2006, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

why does it smell fishy. im just improving in the english language.


You might want to start by spelling "a lot" correctly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...

ty


Very fishy, IMO


i'm glad i'm not the only one who caught that.
luv ya klaas...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 05:48:37 PM
I do believe the island inhabitants are very, very anxious about the de Vries show and the Dutch investigation.  This case is, finally, coming to a head and we should see some action soon.  This corresponds to the action we've seen here on the board in the past 48 hours.  We should all be very happy about all this, I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 05:49:30 PM
Klaas:  I just emailed you some of my research.   8)  I would like your opinion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:51:46 PM
yeh but if dr. phill couldnt solve it, ale cant solve it, the enquusearch didnt find anything, the f-16's didnt found anything.
then how is deVries gonna solve it?
i personally think that he cant solve it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I do believe the island inhabitants are very, very anxious about the de Vries show and the Dutch investigation.  This case is, finally, coming to a head and we should see some action soon.  This corresponds to the action we've seen here on the board in the past 48 hours.  We should all be very happy about all this, I think.


I agree....of course, we've had high hopes before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but if dr. phill couldnt solve it, ale cant solve it, the enquusearch didnt find anything, the f-16's didnt found anything.
then how is deVries gonna solve it?
i personally think that he cant solve it


is there anyone who you think could solve this case?
where do you think we can find answers since none of the ones we have come up with seem to please you??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Leslie"
Just what we need - infighting!  Kawish or kbm is as much a member as any else and his posts should respected.  If someone chooses to debate kbm - that is between the poster and kbm and anyone outside that conversation should refrain from making personal attacks on either one.


Leslie - I have some doubts about kbm's identity.


Klaas, I'm shocked!   LOL!! :lol:

But this forum is for support of Natalee's family and I think that attacking those that support that family in favor of a Joran supporter might be just a little bit misguided.  Some might want to think about that just a bit.

Iam sure KBM doesn't expect us to start a fan club for him!  He is brave to come here and face us and our thousand and one questions.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but if dr. phill couldnt solve it, ale cant solve it, the enquusearch didnt find anything, the f-16's didnt found anything.
then how is deVries gonna solve it?
i personally think that he cant solve it


There are reasons for the failure of each of the groups you mention.  How is deVries going to solve it?  We hope by the methods he's used in the past to solve unsolvable crimes.  If you read on his website, he shares some of those.  Why would you think he can't solve it when he has shown so much success in the past?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: KatzHome on October 25, 2006, 05:55:46 PM
Hello Monkeys ~ how's every little thing...

And Red ~ great front page articles!  Liked a bunch of them ~ kinda like bananas, ya know ;)  But eye'll only mention the Natalee related articles here...

• Paulus' statement is interesting...  leg pains, huh...

• Great commentary on the difference between the shameful Natalee Holloway investigation and the police investigation in the death of Michelle Gardner-Quinn...

•  And finally...  waiting to see what happens on November 1st...  Kalpoes want off the suspect list...  just like Paulus...  Whatever happened wit Joran...  he ask and was turned down...  or wasn't even he and his slick lawyer bold enough to ask 4 that....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:57:27 PM
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?

i dont know where youre talking about


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 05:57:41 PM
Hi Katz - good to see you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Jacqueline, I honestly don't understand your anger and huffiness.  First, you attack kbm, although he has been nothing but polite.  I do not agree with his opinions, as I know you don't, but we can listen to him.  I wish you would not leave, or anyone else.


Well, I still contend telling me to grow up is less than a model of decorum and I am not sure why the posters bother him so much but be that as it may, our long term posters are also entitled to post their opinions just as much as he is without being scolded.

And if I find out anyone said one word to Tyler, I am gone as well.

Just the way it works I guess.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 05:57:59 PM
Repeat

kbm

Was Freddy's brother, Ernesto, at Hiram's bday party?? Maybe a stay over from Soul Beach festival?? Was he one of Freddy's relatives that was questioned?? He does seem to be a role model for Hiram and that group. Where exactly do those "men" hope to model?? Not GQ, IMO.

Thanks

and

Are your parents friends with the Sloots??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but if dr. phill couldnt solve it, ale cant solve it, the enquusearch didnt find anything, the f-16's didnt found anything.
then how is deVries gonna solve it?
i personally think that he cant solve it


There are reasons for the failure of each of the groups you mention.  How is deVries going to solve it?  We hope by the methods he's used in the past to solve unsolvable crimes.  If you read on his website, he shares some of those.  Why would you think he can't solve it when he has shown so much success in the past?

well i hope that the person who did it is gonna step forward


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: KatzHome on October 25, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Katz - good to see you!


Hi Klaas!   {{{hugs}}}  And it's really great 2 see U!!!!!!  How's that class going...  and didn't U say that a 2nd one was being considered?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 06:00:09 PM
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will NOT travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?


corrected grammatical,, sorry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[well i hope that the person who did it is gonna step forward


Yes, I, too, have been hoping Joran would do just that for some time now.  Perhaps he yet will when he realizes that he has not fooled many people other than just a few on Aruba.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 06:00:35 PM
thik

I recommended that economic topic for a research paper....but I'm not sure they really have classtime in Aruba....seems only part day "testing" all the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 06:01:45 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
yeh but if dr. phill couldnt solve it, ale cant solve it, the enquusearch didnt find anything, the f-16's didnt found anything.
then how is deVries gonna solve it?
i personally think that he cant solve it

Unless he has information that hasn't been heard of yet.  Why would he take a case like this on all of a sudden.  Something got his attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
thik

I recommended that economic topic for a research paper....but I'm not sure they really have classtime in Aruba....seems only part day "testing" all the time.

uhuh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:02:11 PM
Quote from: "KatzHome"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Hi Katz - good to see you!


Hi Klaas!   {{{hugs}}}  And it's really great 2 see U!!!!!!  How's that class going...  and didn't U say that a 2nd one was being considered?

Class is great!  No 2nd class, just subbing whenever needed.  Thanks for asking!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Leslie on October 25, 2006, 06:02:41 PM
kbm wrote:
[well i hope that the person who did it is gonna step forward
---
We are all waiting to see that size 14 SwissK sneaker!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
thik

I recommended that economic topic for a research paper....but I'm not sure they really have classtime in Aruba....seems only part day "testing" all the time.


doesn't appear to be much emphasis on 'current affairs' either.. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: AZLady on October 25, 2006, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Jacqueline, I honestly don't understand your anger and huffiness.  First, you attack kbm, although he has been nothing but polite.  I do not agree with his opinions, as I know you don't, but we can listen to him.  I wish you would not leave, or anyone else.


Well, I still contend telling me to grow up is less than a model of decorum and I am not sure why the posters bother him so much but be that as it may, our long term posters are also entitled to post their opinions just as much as he is without being scolded.

And if I find out anyone said one word to Tyler, I am gone as well.

Just the way it works I guess.

.

Anna, I agree with you completely.  I do not mean to scold anyone.  I have no right to do that.  I do wonder about telling you to grow up, though.  That is an odd remark.   :roll:   I suppose I should retire for the afternoon and get some more work done.  It's too bad we can't all discuss this case without attacking someone new.  I have my doubts as to any further value in carrying on the discussion, but I'm not going to be rude about it, to kbm or anyone else.  I'll check in with you all tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:04:33 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idahoSIS.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
thik

I recommended that economic topic for a research paper....but I'm not sure they really have classtime in Aruba....seems only part day "testing" all the time.


doesn't appear to be much emphasis on 'current affairs' either.. 8)


Can't find an accurate periodical in the library??? Oh, ok, that's just what I heard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Buckeye on October 25, 2006, 06:06:39 PM
OT

If the idaho sisters had a brother....would we call him spud??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?

i dont know where youre talking about



Let me explain for you.

Go to here

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188

and on Page 9 you will find a summary of all the murders we found on Aruba in the last year.

Guess what???  Aruba has a higher murder rate per capita than the U.S. but yet they said they had no crime!!  We counted them ourselves reading in Papiamento as best we could and our figure matched one later we found from ALE that the Justice Department ignored.

Now why would Aruba sell itself as totally crime free with a murder rate HIGHER than the U.S?

We just gotta wonder about that.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?

i dont know where youre talking about



Let me explain for you.

Go to here

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188

and on Page 9 you will find a summary of all the murders we found on Aruba in the last year.

Guess what???  Aruba has a higher murder rate per capita than the U.S. but yet they said they had no crime!!  We counted them ourselves reading in Papiamento as best we could and our figure matched one later we found from ALE that the Justice Department ignored.

Now why would Aruba sell itself as totally crime free with a murder rate HIGHER than the U.S?

We just gotta wonder about that.

.

yehs its a little bit difficult


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
OT

If the idaho sisters had a brother....would we call him spud??


Some of us would call him Kawish and insist the rest of us be nice to him even when he tells us to grow up.

Hit dog always hollers, too.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "thik"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
well i think az is right im just a "guest" here for already 2 days.
and i already gave allot of awnsers

What answers?  That you don't know anything? That you think Joran is innocent?


kbm, hello,,
aside from Natalee and the stories you have and haven't heard,
what's the consensus on stuff like, guys getting heads cut off, and guys getting nailed to a cross, and then committing suicide by od'ing on cocaine and then setting themselves on fire, any conversation at school on this stuff ?

no0o0o0


That's interesting,, I would've thought it may have come up in one class or another...even 'economics' ya know,, tourist trade and stuff....
These three events are why myself or anyone in my family will travel to Aruba..   kinda 'concerning' dontcha think ?

i dont know where youre talking about



Let me explain for you.

Go to here

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188

and on Page 9 you will find a summary of all the murders we found on Aruba in the last year.

Guess what???  Aruba has a higher murder rate per capita than the U.S. but yet they said they had no crime!!  We counted them ourselves reading in Papiamento as best we could and our figure matched one later we found from ALE that the Justice Department ignored.

Now why would Aruba sell itself as totally crime free with a murder rate HIGHER than the U.S?

We just gotta wonder about that.

.



''Just,,,, one of those years'',,,,,,,I guess... damn !! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...


Thanks, Klaas, Anna, Mrs. Red, others.

This sudden switch in English skills is beginning to smell like a see-thru-blouse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
anne are you angry because i told you to grow up>?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: KatzHome on October 25, 2006, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idahoSIS.jpg)


Very cute!!!!!

And hate to post and run...  but I got to...  Do me a favor, please.  I've been out of touch with everyone these past couple of weeks ~ working on a project...  If Strike pops on in ~ please tell him that he has mail.  Thanks!!!

Have a great day, ya'll ~ B Good!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
[quote="Anna

Let me explain for you.

Go to here

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188

and on Page 9 you will find a summary of all the murders we found on Aruba in the last year.

Guess what???  Aruba has a higher murder rate per capita than the U.S. but yet they said they had no crime!!  We counted them ourselves reading in Papiamento as best we could and our figure matched one later we found from ALE that the Justice Department ignored.

Now why would Aruba sell itself as totally crime free with a murder rate HIGHER than the U.S?

We just gotta wonder about that.

.

yehs its a little bit difficult[/quote]


Do you still think we don't check things and just work on rumors?  I am very proud of our work on that thread and it is typical of our research.  Also see one on Whos Who  and a Time line in the lower threads.

I think you may appreciate the fact that we do check things out as best we can and don't take anybody's word for anything.  That's the best way I have always found.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Tylergal on October 25, 2006, 06:14:21 PM
Well, I recall the days when Melody would try to pull these stunts at RWV with Anita sitting beside her, aiding her with her typing and spelling skills.  My memory is bad, but not completely gone. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:14:59 PM
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:15:32 PM
no anne i think that you all do good research


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 06:16:18 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "kbm"
but i think in the beginning they didnt know that the dissapearrance would be such a big thing in the media. so they just said that they didnt had anything to do/ or just dropped natalee of at HI. so that they dont get problems. (and i think that they didnt know that everybody would investigate it) thats why i think they lied.


wow kbm, your english spelling and grammer just improved dramatically on this last post, something smells fishy...


Thanks, Klaas, Anna, Mrs. Red, others.

This sudden switch in English skills is beginning to smell like a see-thru-blouse.


ITA Tyler... Nice to see you and your lovely rose back in our presence.  Here in California my second round just started blooming.  I've got some beauties I'll have to share with you one of these days when I get my photos up...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:16:31 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
anne are you angry because i told you to grow up>?


Oh, no, I'm not angry with you but I don't like for others to say you are totally polite either.  None of us here are the soul of politeness.  It's being told the regular posters are some how abusive if they question you that I don't like.  Posters scolding other posters.  Not you.  But there are ten of those posters, BTW.  I only posted two of them.   :wink:

And I do think this needs to be taught in high schools just to be sure we are all playing by the same rules.



.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Mere on October 25, 2006, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???


OMG.....  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:17:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:17:12 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idahoSIS.jpg)(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idaho.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?

Does not matter


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???


interesting Klaas, very interesting.  he has a total of 204 so there must be some id sharing going on...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?

Does not matter

well im in aruba so i also want to know that.
so maybe you all can reseach that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idahoSIS.jpg)(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/idaho.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 06:19:34 PM
:lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:20:21 PM
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2006, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: "thik"
[
''Just,,,, one of those years'',,,,,,,I guess... damn !! :roll:



Actually in 1998 or 1999 they had an even WORSE year and the population was much smaller.  Had eight murders with smaller number in population.

I don't know how they say crime free with a straight face but then Arlene did used to crack up sometimes when telling us those whoppers.

What I really wonder is if this is grounds for a class action law suit by all of us who have gone there under the pretext of it being crime free or if it is just plain false advertising and should be addressed as such.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: Mere on October 25, 2006, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?

Does not matter

well im in aruba so i also want to know that.
so maybe you all can reseach that


I think that's the stuff that the FBI likes to look into..... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:

well i have adsl from setar thats everything i know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?

Does not matter

well im in aruba so i also want to know that.
so maybe you all can reseach that


who do you know in Michigan, I'll start my investigation right there...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JuliaWitch.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: thik on October 25, 2006, 06:22:32 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
Quote from: "klaasend"
KBM - Please explain this

How is it 54 of your posts are from a Michigan IP???

i dont know why
54 out of the how much?



a question asnwered with a "question",,,,,always works for me..... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JuliaWitch.gif)

well im not sharing a account, so plz search for another possiblity


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: anidac on October 25, 2006, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


The correct question for this issue is "Who is your ISP provider?"  In other words, how do you connect to the internet and what company do you have service with.  This will answer the question easily if nothing shady is going on such as IP spoofing.

(I am leaving for a while in about 5 minutes but will check back as soon as I get back home)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 06:23:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JuliaWitch.gif)


almost to 50 klaas, i'm doing all i can to help!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: "anidac"
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


The correct question for this issue is "Who is your ISP provider?"  In other words, how do you connect to the internet and what company do you have service with.  This will answer the question easily if nothing shady is going on such as IP spoofing.

(I am leaving for a while in about 5 minutes but will check back as soon as I get back home)

uhm setarnet i think :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: San on October 25, 2006, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: "hubbylove"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
True, some posts from Aruba and some from Michigan.  Maybe sharing a nickname??  :wink:


(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JuliaWitch.gif)


almost to 50 klaas, i'm doing all i can to help!

I'll help you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:25:33 PM
Does Setarnet provide services in Michigan?  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:25:52 PM
klaas is it keep getting more?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:26:17 PM
i dont know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: snoopy on October 25, 2006, 06:27:33 PM
Gosh Darn It!!

If you can't tell the truth...........fermer.........votre.........bouche


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: hubbylove on October 25, 2006, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: "kbm"
i dont know


all the contact info on their website is out of Aruba.  I don't see them having customers here in the US.
Try again KBM...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: kbm on October 25, 2006, 06:27:57 PM
what :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #536 10/24 - 10/25/2006
Post by: klaasend on October 25, 2006, 06:28:13 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 537

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=475