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KBM where are you now that it is coming up on 11:00?

haha your smart
i think im in another timezone then you are

KBM
Did you agree to be a character witness?  Or did that just happen?

Think someone was wanting to know if you knew if JVDS was in still in aruba right now.

oh i dont know where he is

I think KBM is in Aruba. From the time zone thingie.

Do you have any idea if any folks in aruba are blaming JVDS and family for the tourist decline?

Okay, dumb old lady here, sorry, I did not understand this answer.

what does it really matter where i am/?

kbm, did Joran kill Natalee?

 :lol:

KBM,
This past weeK Joran changed the name of his MySpace account to JORAN.ANGRY! and locked it.   :shock: Do you know what he is so angry about?  I wonder if it is because Peter de Vries is doing the program about Natalee.

Do you know why he is angry?

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Yes, who is to balme for the decline in tourism ?
Beth ?
Joran van der Sloot ?
Kalpoe brothers ?

KBM   -    WELCOME!

Can i ask?  Have you followed the case closely?  From what news sources do you get your information?  TIA

well i dont think there mad at jvds...but more that usa is boycutting aruba because thats not the solution i think to solve this problem

Well, I didn't.  :roll:

Sure do wonder how that's ever gonna get resolved.

What could be the solution then ?

i dont think so

KBM
Please tell me who you think may have disappeared Natalee?

What do you think the solution is to solve this problem?

no

KBM - there is no formal boycott of Aruba.  The problem is that people are seeing how the Natalee Holloway case has been mishandled by ALE and the government in Aruba.  When they see that they don't want to go.

Why don't you think so?  What do you believe happened?

not that close that yall did

Did Joran Kill Natalee?


kbm writes: i dont think so


Why not?


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If JVDS did happen to kill Nat, do you think PVDS had to power to keep it covered up?

i dont know im not a cop or something
but holland is also now investigating it :lol:

Who is kawish/kbm other than a "new" poster who buys into the Joran is not guilty plug?  :roll:

We know that people are the same everywhere. No one wanted to hurt the ordinary people of Aruba who just work for a living and want to make a better life for their families, but when they released Joran and Deepak and Satish, the Holloway family felt they had no choice. Sort of to bring attention to what had happened and the fact that they could not get an answer / solution from the ALE and government of Aruba.

Did you realize that you were being discussed so often, not only in this forum, but many others and being connected with this case so much?  I have been curious is you were involved at all and now maybe we can put that theory to rest. You were just watching and got your name mentioned and it took off from there.

Did you?

Well, anyone who claims to be somewhat close to the source is good to talk to.

As long as we can all be reasonable about it.

why would he? :?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something

kbm, when Joran said in his interview on tv that they had done this 20 other times and nothing happened, what did he mean?  What had they done?

KBM
Do you know Freddy?  Is he still in Aruba? Sorry, I am known for my incessant questions.  :wink:

Well now, PVDS did file a damage lawsuit against the ALE that is still pending a decision in his favor.

KBM:    Are you friends with Lorenzo and Max?

KBM - but what if Natalee died while in the presence of Joran.  Would he panic and lie?

Did you ever hang out with Joran at the clubs ?
or were you friends with Satish / Deeapk more ?

well i didnt know people were talking on other forums about me
i only read this forum

We've talked about Joran's bad temper and his heavy drinking.  We wondered if he killed Natalee because she didn't want him to rape her.  Do you think this is possible?

I like your choice in forums :)

KBM - do you know LORENZO VAN RIJN?

ask him

I'd like to ask him, but since he's not here and you are, I asked you.  After all, your a friend of his and might know.

We would if we could get him near a lie detector.

who :? i dont think so

He won't talk to us.   :(

Did Joran Kill Natalee?

kbm writes: "why would he?  he and his family didnt won anything with this case or something."

You mean there had to be a "benefit" to kill?

It was joran at the Mill Resort w/ Loco Stefy naked in bed.  Why did he take the pictures of her -- she must be embarassed.  

Why do these boys bring girls to hotels for group sex?

I don't see the "benefit."

Do you?

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That was MY question...I wanted to ask that one.  :roll:

 No-one knows the name...LOL.  can you show him a picture of the house Klaas?

i dont hang around liars

i dont trust liars

i dont like liars

they skkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeere me

it is possible
but i dont think thats what happened

btw in 5min im going
ill online 2morrow i think

KBM
Do they really have those Rave type parties in Aruba?  I had never heard of them before all this happened.

Heh, thanks a bunch for showing up, it's been fun.

i think joran reads here  8)

Do you think she died accidentally while she was with Joran?

KBM - This is Lorenzo's home.  Have you ever been to it or seen it?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/LorenzoshouseII.jpg)

by the way, kbm, what are you studying?  What is your major at college?

no0o0

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Thank you KBM for your patience with us and for answering so many questions.  We will try not to be so curious when you return.

 :D
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Interresting that nobody knows Lorenzo now but in the beginning of the case many Arubans knew exactly who he was  :wink:

And I'm sure many Arubans have seen that big, fine house!

 :lol:

almost like a big, collective WHOOPS
hey Klaas!

allright
i also want this case solved.



uhm im in high school...mainly studying economics, and management&organisation

Shoulda showed him the Van pic.

kbm, thank you for taking the time to talk to us.

Good luck with your studies.  Will you join your family's business when you get out of school?

youre welcome

(this is my last post for today,byebye):p

If Hiran lives bewteen the M Posner house & he Louise Posner house, where are the houses located?  In Malmok in the Tara fel Sol subdivision like where the Gottenbose house is?

What time of day or night did Hiram see Natalee and how many times?  What day was the last day that he saw her?

What proof is there that this is the truth?

TIA for answereing these questions.

KBM - this is Lorenzo's van, have you seen it around.  Kindof hard to miss don't you think?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Lorenzosvan-fullshot.jpg)

kbm:  You are very handsome.  Do you and Guido Wever model for the same agency?

KBM - thanks for answering so many questions.

Well...then this topic should fit right into a research paper regarding economics and mismanagement.  Thanks for spending time here.

I think KBM is gone for the night. He was a nice guy, wasn't he?

He definately passes the typing and responding to questions exam  :wink:  :lol:

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Yes, he was but some how we also lost Florida and that is the one who knows Hiram.

Florida, are you still here?

I am glad you have told the Dutch investigators what Hiram saw.  Did you also tell Peter de Vries?

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Yes, he seems like a very nice young man.  I wish him good luck.

I got lost in this stimulating conversation tonight.  Would someone please tell me what Florida wanted KBM to verify for her?  And who is Hiram? :roll:

Hiram is the one who saw Natalee next door at either Michael or Israel Posner's house, through the window.

 :D Pay attention, Lalas!.

 :wink:

http://i11.tinypic.com/48oaoe8.jpg
Israel's address in Malmokweg
Deepak had Kawish as a ' friend" on the tickle site ages ago.

 :lol:

Florida says Hiram said he saw out of his window that Nat was in Posners house.

Florida couched it in terms that Nat was still alive after the breach and was at Posners house alive.

Sorry! :roll:

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Carnut,
I don't think she ever said alive did she?  Just saw her.

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That's what I wanted to know!! :roll:

Yes, she said alive or 'could still be alive' in her posts.

I'm the one who implied dead or body.

I still don't believe the beach story, but I could go with body disposal by Posner.

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Ever feel like:

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where can I find a picture of this young Kawish? or KBM?

Ok, let me get this straight.  Florida claims that Hiram saw Natalee in the window of one of the Posner's homes after May 30th?

He's in this thread - scroll down:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=203

Gosh, you'd think they would close the drapes!   8)

i think thats what he is saying


im not buying any of this DECOY LOAD of CRAP  8)

I thought that's what Florida said??  right?  Not KBM.

Here's Florida's post implying Nat still alive:

Florida's post (http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=460&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=867)

What he/she said

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject:    

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Hiram ....not me...claimed to have seen Natalee in the days since she disappeared in the neighbor's window....To the left of Hiram is Louis Posner & the right Michael Posner..................................................

correct, i think :D

So Florida heard that someone by the name of Hiram saw Natalee in one of the Posners homes (in the window) after the morning of May 30th?  Who is Hiram?

Anyhow what Hiram saw is still just one of the bloomers from aruba.

i smell a BIG FAT RAT  8)

The one who saw Natalee through the window.  KBM also wanted to know who Hiram was so he doesn't know either.

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Thanks, yes, I remember this pic...Just trying to put a face with the name...Looks older than HS student...

OT

While going back to Sander's myspace (to look for Hiram), he had a friend marcus...when going to marcus's site...it said marcus devries. How weird is that...wonder if he's related to Peter??

Which link is the one with all the tickle sites (most don't work)??  Think maybe related to witnesses??  Can't find it.  Know I've seen Hiram somewhere.

Is this the Hiram we are talking about?  The male model?

http://portfolios.models.com/-47053/index.cfm?display=image&image=211223

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Must have been Louis because Michael Posner was out of the country when she disappeared.

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Maybe one of the croupiers was walking the dog????

With the " excitement". what i had posted got ignored. Arubaanse has been in contact with someone from the DeVries show. She has directed him / them to this site.
Hiram ... I can't say anything .. smirking here
And Anna, is that rodent wearing a pancake on its head or do I just need to eat a pancake.

Another male model?  Well if this is him, it is always good to have a face to put to a name.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/T100_image7540.jpg)

klaas....have we talked about Hiram before?

Friends...."Hiram" could have seen any blonde from a distance..... :?

Maybe,  Might operate a dog walking and body disposal business on the side.   :D

Louis is the Aloe King, and Israel is the good Doctor, right?  Where do Louis * Michael live?

And how and why would J2k take her to the Posner house?

No we haven't talked about Hiram before:

Hiram Vrolijk's tickle site:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=dCDA9.MSEDrmpo2q

Hiram and Aline at the VIP:

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Hiram is on the right in this photo.  This is from the Venezuela trip:

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KatGram I was just feeling a little lost and confused and thought the pancake fit in as well as anything else at the moment.

DeVries is a very common name in the Dutch although it sounds French.  Might be Hugeunot descendants.  

See the vampire blood on Hiram's mouth?  I still contend this is what Guido's lawyer was saying when he said his client wore make up.  Otherwise why would he mention the make up if it had nothing to do with the case?  He was saying that is what the scratches were.

In my most humble of opinions only, that is.

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So which Hiram?  I am still sooooo confused.  :roll:

Hiram is one of Joran's friends.

They are all the same Hiram.  The wonders of modern make up.

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Good heavens!!!!!! I never would've guessed.  :roll:

Both Hiram links I posted are the same person.  Hiram Vrolijk.  He is a friend of Joran's.

Oh, yes! Hiram, another cosmetics wearing male in Aruba.

Florida~ Please tell us more about your knowing or having had contact with or word about Hiram.

Good night all......see you in the morning....save my place.... :D

Things just get weirder and weirder. Aruba is truly a foriegn place.  :roll:

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5'11" @ 125 pounds is very thin.  

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Hiram appears to be anorexic:
weight: 125 lbs.  /   height: 5' 11''

Nite Mere.

We are always thinking alike, Leslie.  It does to me, too, but then models are super thin these days.  Wasn't it you who watched the shows on how to become one and knew about the intense look in the eyes?

 :D

Hey Monkeys!!!  The Roy that Florida mentions is it Roy Semeleer?

http://tinyurl.com/y9fxbs

Hiram appears to have issues.

Well, gee, maybe a body was taken to Israel to see if he could fix it, eh?

Well, IF Hiram saw something, then I certainly hope he has some protection or friends in high places.  He's kept that secret a loooonnnggg time.  Who is it, BOC?, who has that bag of salt that he takes everything with.

Well, maybe we could direct him to our Issues and Baggage Thread.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Not that there is anything wrong with that.

No, Florida corrected me when I mentioned the good doctor Israel.  She said it was either Michael or Louis Posner's house.

Yeah, I know, it's just a new Bloomer season.

Maybe Hiram could give all of us lady monkeys make up lessons.
I did look and I could not find an address for Hiram on Malmokweg.
By tomorrow, someone will know all there is to know about Hi. Including shoe size and hat size.

Whether Florida's story is true or not, I find it interesting that this is the first time someone has directly connected Michael Posner to this case.  This Hiram has better have a digital photo of what he saw, or I think he might just meet some very big guys who try to persuade him otherwise.

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:


AZLady wrote:

Florida, how many people know that Hiram saw Natalee at one of the Posner's homes?

Florida wrote:
Very few....Me, someone & ROY

If it is, he's been at Colegio Arubano(sp?) since 1999...is that a middle school/high school?   Also, what's R.K for Religious affiliation?  

Thanks, crazymom...

Shoe size is 11.5 :lol:

And anyone who reads this forum.

RK is short for Ramkrishna

 :lol:  :lol:  :wink:

It's a Hindu religion
[geez--now I'm quoting myself]

Says he is 18 so it would be possible that he started middle school in 1999 at 11 or 12.

Nite Monkeys

It's been an interesting night.  See ya'll tomorrow.

Nite yapperz1.

Found it, AZ, thank you.

Humm, just watching the movie 'American Beauty' and heard an interesting quote 'Never Underestimate the Power of Denial'.

Wonder where that might be applied?

Nope, he's about to become a big time model.  Aruba gives suspects and witnesses their heart's desire to keep them quiet.

Yes, that was me.  I had the pleasure of watching America's Next Top Model with Tyra Banks. After viewing the adsurdity of a gay man teaching the young woman how to walk like a female,  Tyra was telling them that they must acquire the  " fierce and pissed off"  look to sell the designer clothes.
Even dumber was an incident from Canada's Next Top Model.  The hostess is somebody I had never heard of or seen or would consider model material.  In a fashion shoot, one of the girls was walking around semi-topless while changing outfits and a few of the wannabee models got bothered by it.   The topless one got a "dressing down" in front of everybody, by the angry ugly former top model and told to respect the feelings of others and not flaunt her nakedness.  The poor girl looked as confused as I was.  She was sent home.  
On the very next show, the models had to pose NAKED for a photographer and were told to expect to have to expose their bodies if they want to be a top model and to get comfortable with it.    
Insanity!
Hiram does not have what it takes to be a model.

Hiram's birthday party - 6/11/2005, some interresting pictures:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/pag2.htm

I want to know how Natalee got from the Kalpoe car to the Posner home?  Shades of Shango here...hate to be a pain...but shades of Shango... :roll:

Night Yapperz.

I think we just had some new decoys peddleing misinformation.  We had some great discussions & revelations learlier, and these people come along to maybe confuse the issues and get us off track.

Why woud they be offering this info on the net when they could report it and possibly get some reward money.  I guess I am being cynical.

TTYL

Look who I found, Bondia/Glenda/JR at the Soul Beach party:

http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/21.jpg

I would have guessed Roman Katholic with a spelling problem.   :oops:

This Roy has more friends than Tom!  He has Natalee Ann posted as one of them, too.   :shock: And there is a Sander but could not tell if it is our Sander as was wearing a baseball cap over his face.

Lots of photos but don't see any of the usual suspects in them.

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That is an understatement!  Everyone should look very closely to those photos, there are some people in there that some might recognize.

that is skeeeeeeery  8)

Nite San

Is she with PB?

It's late and my thoughts may not be as sharp as some here, but I believe Florida posted that Hiram, someone & Roy saw Natalee at Posners....so, why are we hearing this now?  Were these witnesses interviewed and statements taken?  mmmmm

kbm's posts also tried to lead us to a different point of view.  

Why did they come simultaneously?...or is it just me?

I'm just considering the discussions on this board today, regarding DK's statements & guilt, and also our thoughts on Posner.  jmo...

Who's PB?

Paul Brough?

You are right...we need Old Fart's box of salt. It was interesting as far as discussions go, but very little info was gleaned by it.  I still didn't find out if KBM knew Shango... :roll:

Seems to me there are some government officials at this party.

What is that dead animal Hiram has draped over his shoulder.   :shock:

I see Bon Dia has her camera in that photo.  I wonder if she has batteries for it now.   :roll: That was why she could not take photos for us one time.  I think some actually believed her, too.

 :?

Looks like a little pooch to me...but hopefully alive...Hiram looks like he has quite a tatoo on his chest though...too much for his shirt...lol

Aruba~ where lying is The National Pastime.

I believe she was stating that those who know that Hiram saw this are her, someone and Roy, not that they also saw it.

Well, there was some thought that Nat was being moved from house to house. If so, then the three doritos are still guilty of drugging, abducting sexually assaulting and making her disappear. Plus human trafficking.

I wonder if Hiram knows Michael Posner's history.  Last people on the island I would be fingering.  How could he tell it was Natalee from such a distance from any other blonde with long hair?  Maybe he was peeking in their windows.   :shock:

Thought I was past the shaking-my-head-in-disbelief-over-Aruban-behavior, but they continue to produce outlandishness.

Good night all.

Well, don't worry, ain't no way you could be more cynical than me.

No, it hangs all the way down his back to about his knees with a big fluffy tail.   :shock:

looks like one of those dead fox things that your grandma used to have.
Hiram thinks he's a hottie.
I did see a few faces that I have seen on the the FP.. political types.

Nobody knows Shango like you know Shango.

True or not, Hiram will likely be not too thrilled about this little revelation over the net .... since it will go to Dvries, FBI, etc.

Seems that way to me too.

That is a very nice home.  His parents appear to be wealthy.  They must be very proud of him.   8)

Klaas
Is Hiram related to Albert with the same last name?  You know....

I see that, now...my vision isn't as good as yours.  The tatooed chest still has me wondering....wth?

She told :shock:  :roll:  me it was the little card thingy...did she lie to me??

Thanks for asking Lala's....I thought the last name was familiar...

OOPS!  Messed up that post. Sorry.

 :wink: I know exactly who you are referring to and I don't know.  That is a very common last name in Aruba so it's hard to tell.  Will have to do a bit more research.

I'm sure he has nothing to hide, justins, and if being truthful what harm could possibly come to him.   :roll:   Yes, just when we think things can't get any stranger, they do.  But I have always wondered who he was in some of the photos.  I wonder how long they have been neighbors with the Posners and if that will help and count toward anything for saving his life, lol!  Just kidding, Uncle Mike!

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I know you guys think I am dumb sometimes...but not too much gets by me...really.  :lol:

See what I mean?  Lot's of Vrolijk's  :wink:

http://www.arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=&l_name=vrolijk

Panty Boy?  The one who went around looking for old women's bloomers and used condoms?

Follow the money...

You said that, not any of us hall monitor.... :lol:  Shango La (la)

Yes....and...you know.... :roll:

Oh, no, Lalas, I am sure she would never lie to either of us.  I must have misunderstood about the batteries.  If she told you the little card, then the little card it must have been.   :roll: Besides, one excuse is just about as good as another.   :?

So does anyone know the address of Hiram?

Well fed comes to mind looking at some of the guests.
DeVries is contacting / ppl and asking questions.
Something is getting stirred up there .
never take your eye off the ball.

Anna
I think she meant little card thingy when I asked for a photo of Lorenzo.  She must have meant batteries when she spoke to you.  Surely, it was two different things.  :roll:  :roll:

Well if I could ever find the ball, that's exactly what I would do.  


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Yuppers...sure seems like something is stirred up, Kat_Gram...you are right...

Hiram Vrolijk went to the International School of Aruba

So did we decide if that was PB with JR?  Sounds like a sandwich, doesn't it? :lol:

Yes, that explains it.  Whew!  That's a relief to know she did not lie to us.  Mine was batteries for the rocks and yours was memory card for Lorenzo.  Her camera only seemed to work on occasion.  Odd for a reporter but I am sure we have this straight now and neither of us were lied to as it is two separate times.

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I'll have to check in tomorrow to find out if it was a sandwich or not....Goodnight.

Anna
Sometimes you are as funny as that little doggie is cute.  :lol:  :wink:

No, I don't think it's PB

Night, sleep well.

That's kinda funny, ya know I dabble with a little amateur photo journalism on the side and I always carry at least 2 cameras and several cards and charged batteries with me.

That's good because then Bondia would have lied to me again.  She told me she didn't know him....once...many moons ago.

Carnut
I don't dabble and I have extra batteries all the time.  Where is that bag...of salt, I mean. 8)

You're pretty humorous yourself, Lalas!

That is who it looks like to me but Klaas is MUCH better at this and will give her the final word.  I can never tell Steve Croes from his cousin Quincey but it is becoming easier as Steve gets larger and larger.

That is one well fed looking crowd!  Except for poor Hiram who looks as though that thing on his shoulder is feeding off of him.  Well, I have a son who is too thin by design too and only eats raw vegan but he does it for health reasons and not modeling.  And to terrify his parents on the side.


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I wonder if those Birthday photos are at Hiram's house or one next door?  :shock:   What does his family do for a living?

Then it is that restaurant guy?  The one there are photos of her dining in his new restaurant?  He is nice looking and she looks like of like a vulture after him?

I have no idea if she actually knows him or not, I just don't think that's him with her in the photo, lol  :lol:

I would imagine if one's family can afford a house next door to the Posners then the family is doing rather well.

Yes, looks like the same restaurant guy

Spy on the Posners, evidently.  Just kidding again.   :D Yes, I wonder what they do for a living to have such a fine home as well considering Aruban housing costs.  Certainly puts the Sloot compound to shame.

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I can't tell much about the guy hugging up on JR, because she's in the way...the nerve!  She knows we have to identify everyone on Aruba.  We already know at least half of them by now, anyway.  :roll:

I wonder if they are. .. you know. . . . .connected?

You've been a monkey too long if you know:

what JR and L and S stand for...

what  saying ...you know... means...

what hugging Nemo means...

next....

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Sunfreak,
Did you post a thread for your poster or put it on one so we can find it again?  It looked really really good.

And we were going to start a thread for questions to ask Peter de Vries but I forgot about that too and now am too tired to think.  

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If you know who wears see through blouses


How cesspools word on Aruba

What C&C stands for

And know the difference in Roy Tromp and Donald Trump.

Hmm, wondering outloud how many Arubans use the term, "yall"???

I am tired too...hugs to Nemo ar Camp Bow Wow.  Someone get the lights...I am going to bed now.

Hi Misgivings...maybe an American living there?

How about:

You know you've been a monkey too long when you can't remember what you did the night before...but you know it's not good because you woke up in the back of a VW bus...head feeling like it's about to burst...wearing someone else's clothes and smelling of a combination of alcohol, Del Taco, and plain old FUNK!!

Wait...my bad.  That's not being a Monkey for too long.  That's the dangers of going to the office X-mad party.  My apologies...

What's up Lala's??  ;)

Hey XXX!!!
Where ya been? Missed you.  :wink:

Hi Misgivings - long time no see.

Kbm is Aruban

joran_sloot@hotmail.com :roll:

Well, I'm sure he was in the East Daylight Timezone.

Don't know what aruba's timezone is, kept getting spurious answers to that one.

Hey U!!  I've been REAL busy lately.  Haven't had much time to post at all.  But, don't think the cause has left my thoughts.  I'm very much still a part of the fight...trust me!

How've you been? Hope everything is ok with you and yours...

Oh, I am doing real good now that I have seen you here... :wink:

It is the same as Eastern, I know that is confusing and I may still be confused about it..but I think they are on EST.

Klaas - I've been thinking about that big bus Alex gottenbos was trying to sell.  Could it be the BANGBUS?   :shock:

Likewise my dear...likewise!    And, if I may say so, you're looking especially lovely this evening!  That may get me in a little trouble for being O/T, but...for you, I'll sacrifice being put in anyone's book!  ;)

I doubt it.  It is a 49 seater??  Seems a van like Lorenzo's would be more likely.

Sunfreak, they don't use just one.  Looks like there are any number of buses and vans used, like a different one in each episode almost.  And then there is Smutbus.com and even one using a school bus.  The entire world is awash in  porn.

 :?

I wonder why they have a 49 seater bus anyway.  Seems an odd thing to have.  What would they do with it?

I asked the same question the other night.  What is an insurance guy in Aruba doing with a 49 seater bus?

Hiram looks like his birthday pary was a swanky affair.  Does anyone else think that Hiram is a little light in his loafers?

How should I put this delicately and PC?  Joran's friends from the NL, Guido, Hiram, Joran and a few others look bi-sexual. I would think they claim to be hetero when it suits them, and gay when it suits them.  Deepak & Satish are said to never be seen with girls, but they claim they participate in the orgys.   :shock:   I think these kids have a mixed up sexual orientation, and maybe the reason they drug, rape & pillage is to prove that they are hetero.  Something is definitely off. Aruba doesn't seem to have normal male pysches.  :shock:

Remove some of the seats so Koen could have more room? I didn't say that...no, I am way too tired to be posting this time of the night.  :roll:

For shame!  You used two words together that in Aruba don't exist...normal and male...I really should get to bed...

Thirdstrike
Thanks for the compliment but I really must be getting to bed... I have to get up early and that means in just a few hours...keep these women in line here....well try anyway.

Your first line Sunfreak........I am trying so hard not to laugh  :shock:

I agree that it does appear bisexuality is a given to great degree, plus I do not wear as much make-up as most of these fellas.

So odd to think of Renfro defending these NICE boys, right?  :wink:

Yeah, but right now Eastern is on Daylight savings and that's the timezone time he referenced.

If aruba is on Eastern Standard all the time then they would be the same as central right now.

I guess "normal Aruban male" is an OXYMORAN.    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Tourist tours?

So Carnut, what do you suspicion post the visit from K tonight?

I suspicion KBM is finishing high school in florida.

Guess someone could detail analyze the site meter info.

I have a suspicion KBM is posting from Aruba  :wink:

ah carnut the teach has spoken, it's Aruba  :wink:

Ok, then aruba must be on Eastern Daylight Savings time, if he gave me his correct time.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/results.html?query=oranjestad

Done while k was on line... Aruba.
There were two: setar net and 204-212-120# aruba.
went to who's on, by world map. click on the dot, get the info. entry page. exit page. exit page to me to k's postings.

Ok, then after Daylight savings time switches back aruba will be on Central Standard time.

And Aruba is one hour ahead of me, so it must be eastern .

Ok, I can agree he was well versed in the standard ATA version of the case.

Just for another couple of weeks.

 :lol:  :lol: good call car

do you suppose they dropped flyers by air all over the island to ensure the story was straight?  :lol:

Dunno, that's something that still amazes me.

well maybe they have Renfro giving tutorials?  :lol:

Actually I'm wondering if everyone who's ever posted from aruba was actually Renfro.

He is dressed as a female in some of his modeling shots or at least an androgynous person.  Yes, I think several of them are at least bi-sexual.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  and the whole island is far too obsessed with it.  See the Chicago vids of aboard the Tattoo for sexual frenzy in the crowd.  Don't they ever do anything normal and wholesome?  Their entire lives seem to revolve around booze and sex and gambling.

Well, now that's not an uncommon occurrance in my neck of the woods as well.

A while back Renfro had some hate mail whining about it but it was addressed not to her but to ATA when she finally posted it.

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high-five !  :lol:

Yep..she sure did!  :wink:

carnut-

I hate to disappoint you but my sporter doesn't spend every night on the town either, and he's only 19 and certainly living in a party town.

Night Klaas

I promise to be only a little bit bad now that you've left  :lol:

For high school kids?  Gambling is legal in Kansas?  It is rare for any kids that young here to be doing any of that to that extent.  And they have stuff to do after school and on weekends and have to get all that extra cirrucular in to get in the school they want.

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well I should get to bed but will post this to greet others in the morning  :lol:

I think it looks a lot like Renfro's photo that Klaas posted earlier tonight  8)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/holidays/shedevilt.gif)

Must be this wild Kansas air or something.

The poster named Florida was on at the same time.
Don't know that location. yet.
PPl who have been to Aruba, as per the FP say they get the same kind of story ... she ran away, the family... they never found her... can't be true..
etc.
I have gone to RWV and looked at the first posts... Jairo, Glenda, Rob
are all there, plus other assorted ppl who claimed to be from Aruba, can't verify, most of them are @ Yahoo or HotMail. The stories started very early, that she had run away before, problems at home, strange quote in yearbook, did drugs, drugs sold to her by security guards. And all that was June 10, 2005 or earlier.
So, that is and still is their viewpoint. Now with the boycott called for and Stupid Dompig's quotes, I guess there is backlash.
I also have no idea of what the common ppl in Aruba read or watch on TV.

 :lol: I betcha Anna could break you of those bad habits real quick  :lol:

Well don't know for sure now a days, but back in my day, beer busts and sex were fairly common in highschool.

No organized gambling maybe, but plenty of nefarious other illegal activities, some which I was a participant in.

I think it was Misgivings who posted the alert on the 'yall' that k posted? I have to agree that the text looked a bit odd at times  :roll:

And I always suspect maybe SandraK for she will try to impersonate even someone from India.

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double high-five Anna  :lol:  :lol:

Now wait a minute, you just agreed with Klaas that the K poster was posting from aruba.

 8)  8)  :D  :D  :D

.It was certainly an interesting night.  Was hoping Hammer would weigh in but guess he said all he had to say earlier.  I was thinking this Hiram was an adult at least, like an old man maybe.  It's that goofy kid from the photos and turns out he is even stranger than it would first appear.  One photo as a boy and the next as a girl, etc.

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Now that didn't happen around here in my day.

Actually have a thread in the lounge somewhat on that subject.

Hi, Robots!
It's past your bedtime there in Maine, isn't it?  So you don't believe Hiram saw Natalee by peeping in his neighbor's windows?  I think they would close the blinds myself if she were there.

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Anna-

Upon viewing Hiram's photos I don't think I could take him seriously regarding much of anything, except maybe his opinion on various platform shoes?

Actually I've always had the feeling that Florida poster was in aruba.

SandraK with the help of the Rejects and Charles Croes would use an anonymizer.  But you are right it was probably Kawish as claimed.   I guess he didn't like to be called a terrorist.  It never hurts to sting them a little once in a while to see if you can get a response.
 :wink:

And Goth make up should I want to use that for Halloween.

 :D

Did you see her email address was NYSusan?  I would guess New York.

 :lol:  :lol: oooh Anna that sounds like fun, you wanna us do that together for halloween?

Heh, heh, you could be in Hong Kong and have a NYSusan email address in Yahoo.com

You should see all the email and IM's I get from the New York babes stranded in Nigeria.

been working and whats the word.????

oh yea

LURKING  8)

i think the whole thing is a DECOY, people gettin nervous i think

PAULUS is sweating  :twisted:

I think that's a pretty good look on ladies for Halloween. Really slinky Morticia types.

Sure!  No way can I make my hair black so I will have to go with platinum but am going to do it and maybe spikes even at my age.  Kids coming for Thanksgiving will get a shock, lol.

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im getting up in 4 hours to go to work  BUT

20 cent listing day tomorrow on EBAY  8)

im ready  8)

I have this vision of Anna and myself showing up at Car's door to get candy in our outfits  :lol:

Son said he wishes he could still trick or treat, kid still loves candy  :shock:

W O R K ????? what's that?

some one from holland is here tonight i think  8)

I'm surprised I still have some candy left for Halloween.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

LOL

i like to work most of the time, i have NO BOSS

i have 3 jobs  :shock:

Gee, maybe I can have that 'vision' a little later.

Well of course anybody can put anything but I doubt Florida is a babe stranded in Nigeria.  In fact I haven't seen too many babes from there.  

I think people with lots of timeshares are getting very desperate.  Can't give them away.

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robots-

What is 20 cent day on eBay??? Not that I need to shop, I need the opposite, I need to divest  :lol:

im not PARTICIPATING again this year in DAY LIGHT SAVINGS


once again i will be RIDICULED, SHAMED, MADE FUN of




i love it  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

you are NOT allowed to insert Anna and myself into your dreams car  :shock:

Yeah, but those Babes in Nigeria have such humorous stories.

LISTING fee is only 20 cents even if the item starts at a HIGH PRICE of
say 3000.00  

with out the 20 cent day, it might cost you 8.00 or 10.00 bucks   :D

Well when we show up in our Morticia outfits, you had better have candy!  Otherwise you get the TRICK played on you and it could be nasty.

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its great for sellers

and actually buyers, but mostly sellers

And the bad part of that is?

well Robots knock yourself out on eBay, I wish you many savings  :lol:

Anna, I cannot imagine the trick you'd play on carnut but the possibilities could be endless, correct?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

thanks
i cleaned up last year !!!

 :D

ooooh Anna you walked right into that one ROFL  :lol:  :lol:

I'm laughing so hard for it's just like something I would do, we fine ladies tend to do this  :lol:  :lol:

I wish I could sell stuff on ebay.

you can, its easy and fun and can be very profitable

Robots I wish I knew how to sell things on EBay.  My kids do not want theor junk and I am drowning in it.  Baseball cards, comic book collection, books, all kinds of stuff they refuse to take or do not want to fool with.

Not even the one who does sell some things on Ebay.

I've tried, unfortunately folks don't think much of my stuff.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

its easy, simple
and did i mention,,,easy

well I'll have my cookie website completed soon carnut, you can be my midwest representative if you promise not to eat all the cookies.....

Oh geese, have you no respect for my manly figure?

OHHHHHHHHH...

yes , i know that is the problem for everyone at TIMES

"FINDING the right stuff to sell"

 :twisted: lol

 :P  :lol:  :lol:

well, it can be done on ebay with some luck and some interesting items

lots of people make a lot more than i do im sure

i can tell you honestly that , cause i did  8)

Good grief, it's bad enough I walked into his joke but now we are posting the very same thing!  What's going on here, lol!

Robots maybe you can direct us to a really good easy tutorial on selling on Ebay.  I have seen whole books about it and that makes me think it is difficult to do.

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and you all know, i aint the smartest ROBOT out there :twisted:

Is this kismet? ROFL  :lol: sorry I guess I'm punchy after pulling weeds all afternoon

I think selling on ebay just takes a certain mindset, kinda like some folks are good at gambling, some folks are good at retail sales, etc. it would appear some folks are really good at ebaying.

hmmm... yea forget the books, that is a LOAD

i would go to the ebay site and register on the site ( ebay) and follow  ONE item that you like kind of like pretend to purchase it, follow it
how many bids, what it sold for, etc etc etc

when it sells and the auction is over you can use the "SELL a similiar item" feature and BINGO it will walk you right thru it

robots what kind of items do you sell? and how do you source those?

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Well Robots I hope you clean up on 20 cent day that does sound like a good deal.

Carnut, I am warning you that if we show up and there is no candy, you won't like the consequences.  Not everything is fun you know!

None, I am punchy too still taking cold meds and think they keep me awake.  At first I thought it was the Godiva chocolate coffee so didn't have any today so must be the cold meds.

Goodnight all, have to get some sleep and my little woofers start woofing at daylight regard;less of when I go to bed.  They just don't seem to care.

 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

I ain't much skeeerred.

industrial motors, electrical motors, some aircraft motors
anything with a motor


i have a friend she goes to yardsales all summer 2-3 times a week
buys things for a nickel, dime or a quarter and sells them all on ebay the
rest of the year, she will make 60 grand this year
she ships 20 packages a DAY

buy em on ebay and sell them off ebay
mostly  8)

One last EBay post then I am in bed.  I know a couple that sell thngs from Harbor Freight Tools and have it shipped directly to their Ebay buyer.  They just mark everything in the catlalog up and resell it and give instructions to Harbor Freight Tool to ship to the address that bought it.

 :shock:

Night Anna, I really would like to go scare up some fun on halloweenie with you  :wink:

Hope you feel better, kiss the pups for us!

heard about it

interesting, lots of people doing it, i think

im going to bed also

Gnight  8)

well my research on cookies blew me away what's being spent on cookies nationally.......even the Discovery Channel owns a cookie company?  :shock:

I have thought about getting into the pet biz on eBay, I may need some robots tutoring  :wink:

Just so you are a little skeered.  We would look pretty scary all Goth.

 :D

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Goodnight!  Let's see if KBM returns again tomorrow night!

,

yea me in heels when I'm six foot in barefeet  :lol:  :lol:

Off to bed myself also so rest well everyone and that means you too Car !!!

Yes, but are we even certain that Renfro is genetically female?

Just one straight path... gold (?) does that relate to the "gold" in the casino or the "money" made from gambling.  She wanted to see "the sharks."

sorry but, is this a man or a woman???????

As I wrote earlier, it would seem that Hiram has (gender) issues.

WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok i think we know what C Croes meant when he said that this was going to be hard to take or whatever he said.  These damn boys posing as girls is just way too out there for me.

this is one F'ed up island!!!!!

Day light savings cuts down on energy use and keeps the cost down - you better participate!!  and go enlist all those states that dont participate, wil help cut energy costs !!!!

they have these Ebay stores now - you just take all that crap in there and they sell it on Ebay for you.  I dont know what their cut is but i'm thinking about taking a bunch of junk in there just for the heck of it.  I normally just give stuff away or throw it out.

i dont think it saves anything


im not participating

my dentist wont like it when im an hour off on appointment :twisted:

I know I am stupid and don't understand, but don't we have a picture of Kawish at C&C the night of Natalee's disappearance with the "boggan" cap on?

i turn lights on when its dark. Maybe I'm just weird like that.


i dont turn them on at a specific time  8)

Yeah, with that daylight saving, I have to have every light in the house on getting ready to go to work and can't sleep when it's supposed to be dark.  Sorry, I just think it is like cutting off one end of the blanket and sewing it onto the other to make it longer.

I have ebayed small items in the past and I would never do it again.  Just not worth the time and effort - the time it takes create the ad with pictures, respond to all questions,  pack it, take it to the post office to find out the delivery cost and then report back to the buyer and then wait for the payment before returning to the post office to actually send it plus the costs from Paypal really shrinks any profit made.

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

Aruba:  Tuberculosis in the hospital  

ARUBA – A case of tuberculosis (tbc) was detected in the Horacio Oduber Hospital (HOH).  The patient in question was in the Medium Care ward of the hospital for two weeks mid October. <snipped>
Tbc is a contagious infection disease, caused by the mycobacterium tuberculosis.  It is being spread by particles in the air coming from the coughing or sneezing of a patient.  Most of the time, tbc starts in the lungs, but can spread to other organs.  Harms explained that Aruba runs a high risk of getting tbc cases on the island.  “Colombia, Venezuela, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic are risk countries.  It is impossible to test everybody for tbc that comes to Aruba from these countries.  The HOH does therefore an internal medical check, which revealed open tbc”, said Harms.
This is the second time this year that tbc was detected in the HOH. The first time was in July.  

MRSA
Harms also indicated that the Meticilline Resistente Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA) bacterium is around.  He immediately emphasized that this bacteria has nothing to do with tbc.  MRSA was detected in the Intensive Care Unit last week.  The patients that were in ICU, had to be quarantined.  The unit was immediately closed and disinfected. The persons that have been in contact with these patients were also treated.
MRSA is a bacterium that is insensitive to most saleable antibiotic.  This disease is therefore difficult to control.  MRSA infection is dangerous for people with serious low resistance.  MRSA is a big threat for a hospital.

 :shock:

Reading back... what if they used this as part of the cover up?  What if they put a Natalee look alike there and Florida thinks they saw Natalee? But it wasn't her?  At this point, I wouldn't find that too far fetched....

BTW< MORNING Y'ALL

Example:  I bought a beautiful platter for $3.50 CDN at my local thrift shop that photographed it , wrote the description, made the listing and sold it for $50 US.  Then I had to find a suitable box with all the bubblewrap and styrafoam peanuts to pack it in, then drive to the post  office to get the cost of shipping it to the US, then send that info to the buyer, wait for payment and go back to the post office to send it.   I would have done better selling it at a yard sale or taking it to my local antique store.  
I had a awful experience buying a Federal Q siren from a US seller who atvertised "shipping anywhere in the US included". I paid $750 and instructed it to be sent to a US address.  The UPS driver dropped the  box and damaged it and when I phoned UPS to complain they told me that the only person who could collect damages was the sender (not me).  The sender would not respond to any phone calls or emails and eBay resolution center is all computer generated and has a $ limit for damages and a fee for this service.  Buyer beware!

LMAO.  MRSA is methycillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus.  Whose legs are these clowns trying to pull now?  Stupid is as stupid does.

I think we should all be a little reluctant to believe some posters' integrity, not that we have not seen this before, but Julia Renfro is probably up to having new people represent her point of view and mislead.

I don't think the casual seller is the one making money on E-Bay.  I think it is the professional who has turned his brick and mortar to the internet.

Tyler-

I tend to agree with you that new posters might well be posting with scripts from our friend Renfro?

As for eBay I will say this, my daughter re-sells all of her college textbooks on Amazon now. Don't know how many of you are aware of this but it's not unusual for one semester's textbooks to average $500+ at public universities also? Anyway, the bookstores on campus offer these kids pennies on the dollar to buy them back, so she discovered using media rate from the post office, she could sell/ship for under $4 per book.

Maybe there is a budding business in that? Students surely would rather make a dime back per dollar than pennies.

Posted by Viet Vet on the front page:

#97 and #98…My friends and I spent most of last summer in Aruba looking for Natalee and/or what happened to Natalee. We are the people who found the tape showing J2K did NOT bring Natalee back to Holiday Inn. After giving a copy to ALE, J2K changed their story. Every time we uncovered anything about the case and gave the EVIDENCE to ALE, it got lost, or was not important. Joran even told the head master at the International School, something bad happened. So if all and I mean ALL evidence points to them and them only, we will have to continue to watch them, monitor them, and finally someone will tell. If someone else is guilty, which story do you believe from the J2K group? Why all the lies for PJ2K,and why does Dompig agree with us? I always considered the Dutch as intelligent people, so enlighten us as to what leads you to believe the PJ2K story, or better said: stories? ALE tried to keep the family totally in the dark during the whole process. That was to get more time to cover-up. So??? What can you tell us to make us think different. I am very open to suggestions and Gret, I ask you, prove us wrong. Gret, do you know something we do not know? You folks wouldn’t try to mislead us now, would you? As to the fate of Aruba, they put themselves in this position and they will have to pull themselves out of it. In the Southern portion of the USA, we say “don’t wee-wee on our backs and tell us it’s raining” Trying to keep it clean here.

hello

i had a professor that wrote a book and demanded that all the students
buy it for HIS class

i never bought it, i told him nicely to go pound sand  :twisted:

Goodmorning KBM

Did you already found some interesting things today?

 :lol: Nothing interresting yet today.  It's early for me, I'm on the west coast.  Still on my first cup of coffee, lol  :lol:

Exactly what I would have said. :lol:

ooh okeej

KBM - last night you said you were still in high school.  Are you attending ISA?  Did you go to school with Joran?

Just stopping by to say hi!  It's been kinda nice down here weather wise for the last couple of days and I'm enjoying it.. I don't think it matters that there is enough circumstantial evidence to sink that island of Aruba, they will ignore it..  So to prove another lie or add upon all the lies that have been uncovered doesn't seemed to matter..  I just want that whole island to sink to the bottom of the sea..  They can't hurt Natalee anymore and I'm pretty sure that nothing that island can do now can hurt Natalee's family.. I don't get excited about new investigators or new witnesses, I only care to hear about the drop in timeshares and tourist..  I off to enjoy the weather and everyone have a good day..

uhm im in colegio arubano - what i do is called "havo" - no

Colegio Arubano would have been my next guess.  What does "havo" mean?

Havo (hoger algemeen voortgezet onderwijs) i think its something like hs

hi everyone and welcome to kbm (very close to my initials ... )

kbm -- did you see the picture of the house and the picture of the van that klaas posted last night?  Was wondering if you'd ever seen these.

uhm i never saw the house...but i did see the van twice. i has a big speaker inside :P

Roughly translated:

higher commonly continued education

So it's more like continued education than high school.  In the USA we would not consider that still being in high school.  We would consider it maybe a Jr. College?

I need some coffee, so maybe a ride to Starbucks might work..  I think I need to learn to not offer to do things for people.. My friend that I played tennis with last night is going to Columbia, SA for 12 days and I told him I would drive him down to Miami and pick him up and also feed his pets for him.. His ex_gf told him that she too was going to be out of town, so I felt bad and offered.. See you later alligators!

do you remember who was driving the van or who owns it?

yeh possible.

no i dont know who was driving it. but didnt "lorenzo" owned it?

but, who's lorenzo?

hehe i dont know...maybe klaas knows?

could "lorenzo" be someone's nickname?

KBM - We have been told this is Lorenzo's van.  You say it has big speakers.  Did you see who was driving the van?  Thanks!

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/piwannabee6fqcopy.jpg)

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Lorenzosvan-fullshot.jpg)

"After the beach..."

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From LCD 535, pp's 43 & 44.  Florida posts:

@1:33 am

Hiram saw Natalee from his window....Into his neighbor's house.

@1:38 am

If Hiram saw Natalee after the beach....She must have been alive.......

@1:42 am (Hiram's neighbors)

Either Michael Posner or Louis Posner........Hiram is between them.

@1:44 am (AZLady: Did Hiram tell the polis...)  

No.

@2:03 am  (AZLady: How many people know that Hiram saw Natalee...)

Very few....Me, someone & ROY.[/b]

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Steve Croes also said he saw Natalee "after" the beach.  But his story included the HI drop off and walkie-talkie carrying security guards.

All of this is interesting.  But how does Jan van der Straaten know to relay -- however indiscreetly --  to Paulus that Natalee was alive "after the beach" and had been sighted and that's why after their first round of questioning, the boys are not questioned again.  From Paulus' statement:

....From what little information I got from Jan van der STRATEN, I got some hope that the girl was seen after she was dropped off at the Holiday Inn. He did not say this in so many words but I took that as an explanation as to why the boys weren't asked to give further statements to the police...."

Or is this Paulus and van der Straaten creating the false witness story for Steve Croes (or Hiram)?

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no, i think i saw it like 2years ago or something :P

Good morning.

kbm, are you at school, now?  If so, I guess you are multi-tasking like some here who work and lurk/post.   :)  :wink:

HAMMER - Very possible another false witness story.  Hiram is a friend of Joran.

looks like JORANSTEIN driving the van  8)

kbm - do you recognize the driver of the van in klaas' picture?

KBM - thanks for your answer regarding the van, much appreciated.

no im at home:P

Good morning kbm, besides the speakers/sound system was there any other equipment in the van (video).

wow man u asked if i saw  the van...and yeh i saw the van twice driving. i dont know all the thing about the car man.
(but i dont think there was video in it)

kbm -- who do you know best out of Joran, Deepak and Satish?

uhm i think joran why?

Good Morning Monks!!  Just catching up reading, and also working and lurking.

Welcome kbm.**waving**   If this has been asked, I apologize - but do you know the Kalpoes?

and oh, kbm - the reason I asked about the driver of the van because, at least in that picture, it really looks like Joran's father, Paulus, to me ... thanks for answering about the van, though   :D

I did a little snooping last night on google and found a NYSusan58 as a member of SnapStream Forums where she claimed her age was 48 (this was in 2005).  SnapStream Forums is a discussion list for those interested in media delivered over computers.  I have a hard time believing Florida is everything she/he claims to be or knows everything she knows.  I need BOC's box of salt.

uhm i think its better if you all  research like in another way.
not whos knows who

the van has a naked woman painted on the side of the van  :shock:

What direction would be the best for us to research?

was just curious ...

well in my opinion the driver is 100% not joran's father

KBM - over the last almost 18 months we have researched in every possible direction, unfortunately everything comes back to Joran and the Kalpoes.

Fair enough.  I understand if there are some questions you don't want to answer.  We are throwing alot out there to you.  Thank you for answering.  We are quite a curious group of monkeys! :D

probably not, but you have to admit that it looks a bit like him ...  :shock:  :lol:

uhm not only search for aruban ppl, american ppl could also be involved.
(respect my view plz)

do you mean americans, such as the US? or could you mean what Simian said -- he said, "I'm an American, but from South America."

he's also white hehe, but i dont think a "judge" drives car like that. and i think its someone between 20-30yrs because thats the driving style of those ppl. (the hand a top of the steerwheel)

Let's hope then that Peter R. de Vries looks into every possibility then.  I hear he's not affraid of anyone and digs deep.

no maybe its someone from the US, but everybody is only searching at j2k

Do you mean americans in Aruba or any american who may have been there at the time?  Of course I will respect your view.  We NEED different views to be able to get to the bottom of this!

kbm, since we all know Joran and the Kalpoes have lied and covered up their actions that night, do you think they might be lying to protect someone else?  Someone who might be American?  Someone who might be Dutch?

yeh thats true, i saw some of his programs in holland and he's pretty good. but sometimes he can be brutal to some suspects.

ok; but what if j2k were the first part of what happened to Natalee?  What if she ended up with someone else; someone they dropped her off with.  Is that a possibility?  even if it's an American on the island

no i really dont think that

KBM - let me make this clear

#1  Natalee's family wants answers
#2  If the FBI thought it at all possible that someone in the US was responsible the family would not be accusing JK2
#3  The FBI has interviewed the MB kids that were on the trip - there is no indication that anyone in the USA is involved in any way
#4  Joran is the last known person to have seen Natalee alive.  Joran has lied and continues to lie about what happened that night.

maybe someone took her when joran left her at the beach.
And then it looks like he's (joran) the last one who saw her.

I wonder why they lied so much then.  They must know it would get them in very serious trouble.  It seems they were more afraid of what would happen if they told the truth, so they lied and continue to maintain the lies.

yeh but i think joran now told the truth an everything he knows

so, what's the deal with Joran losing his shoes?  Why did he say he wore size 14 (is that right), when it's actually 10-1/2.

i dunno

kbm, why do you now think Joran has told the truth?  Did you always believe him?

I wonder then why Joran and the Kalpoes cannot agree on how he got home that night or what time.

You saw the van twice driving and you do not know anything about the owner but you do not think there was video in it.  Why would you conclude based on your supposed lack of knowledge about the van or its driver that there was no video in it?  Are you also psychic?

Is it true that the tape that was played on the dr. Phill show was edited.
and that dk was denying something and that they cut the "not"

You see, kbm, we don't believe Joran now because we know he lies, and parts of his story just do not agree with other people's story, like the Kalpoes.  

There were many people at the beach that night and no one saw Joran or Natalee.

are all of you monkey's blind?.....HELLO. Been reading back.....I smell something nasty.

 i saw the van driving with the slide door open, and i didnt saw a video

and I'm curious, kbm, if teenagers would text message each other saying, "I'm home."  Joran did that supposedly to Deepak after Joran supposedly walked home 2 miles in bare feet.  I've been to Aruba, and I don't think I'd want to walk barefoot on the streets!  I wouldn't want to do that where I live, and there's no cactus here!! :D

Depends upon who you ask.  My answer would be no.  Reports very early in the case, like June 2nd even had all 3 saying they had sex with Natalee.

Well, good morning to you, Nut44X4.....I'm legally blind, but that doesn't make you smarter. :wink:

Yes, the tape aired on Dr. Phil was edited.  All audio and video shown on TV is edited for various reasons.  The shows do attempt to maintain the essential content of the tape, however.  

None of us have seen or heard the original tape that Skeeter made as it is in the possession of the FBI.  Natalee's parents have heard it and we believe what they told us they heard.  We have no reason not to believe them.

well i did it a couple of times

which?  the TM or walking?

No that is not true... I have heard the version from the hard drive... with NO edits...

I know that you probably want to believe your friend... but don't let your sister date him....

and if you came to the US and someone killed you would you want us to say that your mother did it??? I don't think so, so please understand why we get upset about all the lies that your friend is telling.

I stand corrected.  Mrs. Red has heard the original tape.  However, most of the Monkeys here have not.

yeh its true you have no reason not to believe them. but  "if" nats parents would lie (dont ask why)  then you would just believe it

walking

What reason would Natalee's parents have to lie?  They were not in Aruba when Natalee disappeared.  They are victims not suspects.

Absolutely not.  You see, we use logic and common sense and research and other documentation to verify what we are told.  Natalee's parents have NEVER lied to us.  Everything they say has been verified and proven to be truthful.  Unfortunately, when someone lies once or twice, then we lose trust in them and can't believe anything they say unless they prove it.

The video would have been visible driving by with a slide door open, if the video was in the front?  I am sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.  Perhaps I just don't want to be a windmill.

yeh but till now you all only looked at j2k and the case is still unsolved.
(and i also want the case solved)

No, that is not true.  We have looked at everything and come BACK to JK2.  Everything leads BACK to JK2.

so, Joran's TM to Deepak "I'm home", is odd? -- that's to kbm - I think it's odd

Who else did ALE look at besides j2k?  I recall they took statements from others...is that not true?

I don't think that is quite true.  We have also wondered if Paulus were involved, if Michael Posner were involved, if Guido, Jaime, Steve, Lorenzo, and a dozen or so others were involved.  We are still wondering if others were there and witnessed Natalee's death.  However, we keep coming back to the reality that Joran, Deepak and Satish were last seen with her.  They picked her up a half hour before C&C closed--she didn't even know them--and took her somewhere.  They have many stories about what happened then.

yeh but joran is the last KNOWN person who saw her.
maybe after that somebody did something to her

We also wondered if Koen and Sander and their father were involved somehow.  We wondered if their boat was used to take Natalee's body out to the ocean.  What do you think?

Correct.  And if they simply left her somewhere, alive and healthy, then why did they lie and do they still lie about the events that night?

well i dont think so.
maybe somebody more proffesional did this. it could be a aruban or someone else

Yes, Joran, the last person who saw her and if not Joran, one of his comrades, and Joran knows who that is.

Why did Deepak tell Joran that "if they find the girl" he would be doing 15 years in KIA?

because they were scared and didnt know what was happening :?  :P

do u know that 100%?

I agree with AZLady - We HAVE looked at other possibilities.  IN THE VERY LEAST, J2K KNOW MORE THAN THEY ARE TELLING.

All roads have lead back to the 3 boys.  If this investigation DOES need to go in another direction, those 3 hold the key.

Well, I would hope they are still scared and that might explain why they are still lying?   :roll:

Is Joran still friends with Deepak and Satish?

maybe now it are more the attorneys who do everything.
(and j2k are not friends anymore, so maybe they lie so that the other gets all the problems)

But if none of them did anything to her, wouldn't they be free and clear of problems if they all told the truth -- the same truth?

brb

Back to Peter R. de Vries.  Hopefully he can turn something up that others haven't been able to.  

However, from those who have spoken to the De Vries people, it sounds like he is directing his investigation on the premise that Joran did something to harm Natalee.

Why dont you tell Joran to come here and talk to us?  Tell him we will be civil and not too harsh with him

Greetings...

For the sake of arguement let's for a moment discount anything that the Twitties/Holloways have said and for that matter what Mr. and Mrs. Van Der Sloot have said.

Pretend you are looking at this case for the first time....
NH vanished and the 3 were the last to be seen with her.

I don't care how scared they were, they lied from the beginning.
You can' be scared and still tell the truth.

While under arrest one of the suspects made a confession and was to lead authorities to the body of natalee.

Confession recanted, or thrown out as inadmissable and all eventually walk.

ALE did a less than stellar job at investiging.

Common sense would lead a reasonable person to believe that at the very least these young men know what happened to this girl and could very well be responsible for what happened.

I don't buy the "bogeyman" theory that someone just came along after Joran left her on the beach.

I think the three bogeymen have all ready been identified.

I do not think I said I was smarter.....and I knew when I posted what the reaction would be to my comments....I have no clue why I even bother.

The de Vries investigation, hand in hand with the Dutch investigators, will have a major impact on this case.  The people of Aruba and Netherlands have faith and trust in these two investigative bodies so if the truth is uncovered, justice will prevail.

Geez, why am I nekky all of a sudden?  I can't see me!!  :lol:

I actually think they are affraid of the de Vries investigation.  From what I hear this guy goes after anyone.

I don't know but I can't see you either  :?:

Yes, that's my impression, too.  All these people who are saying they just want the truth to come out and the case solved seem to be very leery of the de Vries investigation.

Yep..they are scared.

kbm who do you think could have done something to Natalee after Joran left her.

Whew!  I'm back.  Must have just been a burp.

kbm - can you answer my question?  Will you ask Joran to come here and talk to us?  He can clear alot of stuff up.

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No, I'm not back.  Durn.  Something must be up with the server.

Morning, Anna.  Such a cheerful greeting!  I can see me now.

backatcha !

Blah, I think he's gone.  Hopefully, he'll answer you when he comes back.

Why They Lie, and continue to lie...

AZLady writes: "Correct. And if they simply left her somewhere, alive and healthy, then why did they lie and do they still lie about the events that night?"

kbm writes: "because they were scared and didnt know what was happening "

You know, I could actually believe that within the first hour or so, 3 "scared" young men might lie.

But after that?  

Let's get real.  This isn't a school yard game where kids make up stories about each other.  This isn't some pansy-assed high school test cheating, so they were scared.

So let's get real.  This is "MURDER."  Nearly EVERYONE detained and arrested in this case has been suspected of murder, or being complicit in murder -- and that's what the POLIS say.

If you, kbm, think these 3 did not harm Natalee and that someone else did, and you base this on your believe that after the beach episode, some third party came along and "disappeared" a breathing, living human being, then I think it would be reasonable to expect you to explain WHY you think that.

"Scared" doesn't cut it in a murder investigation.

All 3 have lied repeatedly.  REPEATEDLY.  None of their stories match.  ANd they continue to lie.  And none of them have provided a corroborated alibi for any of the key times and events.  NO alibi whatsoever.

If they were so scared, and if what you think is true, then each of the 3 would have a matching story, describing events in detail and "naming names."  This would get them off the hook.  Further, it would point to another more culpable party.

But don't you get it?  They already tried this and it failed.  The security guards were set up by deepak and satish's witness statements.  And that didn't work.

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Well, Monkey friends, I have to get some work done today.  So, I'll keep the Monkey screen on the desktop and check back in from time to time.  The students are calling me...

Oh I very much agree.  They aught to be scared.  From what I gather, DeVries doesn't care who he offends, pisses off etc.  He will find out alot because he is a familiar person to them.  Perhaps he can get people to talk who where afraid to in the past because they didn't trust foreigners, nor did they trust ALE

I guess kbm checking with soi.

I do hope when KBM returns he will read that we have also looked at the possibility of the insurance fraud thing and that is impossible to do because the insurance industry maintains a huge data base of policies written and paid and it is available to all insurance brokers and law enforcement.  They had no policy at all is my understanding.

Also we have considered someone of the MB kids being involved but they could never pull off the total disappearance and would not know the island or what to do.  No one was particularly interested in Natalee nor she in them enough to evoke that strong of emotion, etc.  They would do it at home where they would be on familiar turf.

But I know I have looked at everybody I can think of including the MB students, Marcia Twitty, the parents, the step-parents, etc. and it always comes right back to Joran and Dennis Jacobs telling Dave that drinks are drugged at Carlos and Charlies and to be careful.

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Maybe it a new 'nic' -- but it's the same old tired lies.

he-he

I wonder how many boxes of frosted flakes they had to eat before they made up all the lies that came out of aruba.  It must have made Kellogg very, very happy.  Aren't they made in Michigan, the state where SOI lives?

Well I think it's good when they come out of the wood work and lie like rugs...means something is working... maybe it's DeVries, that is driving the fear.....



and i see MY SISTAH!!!!!!!

11/1 is a week away....

De Vries show probably won't air until later in November, right?

Yep, Battle Creek MI

About 2 hours from me :wink:

100% agree.

You're just more patient than I.

I've ALREADY heard these lies -- at least they could come up with a few new ones. Show a little creativity.

I think there's still a lot of wiggle room left in the 'she was abducted by aliens' theory :wink:

That's what it looks like to me, that the De Vries show would be late November at the earliest.

11/1 has to do with Paulus & $, do I have that right, as well?   Just thinking about who, what, where & when.

You are right Kimmy and I always read your posts.  Something is stirring the pot for we jave JORAN.ANGRY! closing his MySpace, Hiram seeing Natalee at Posners and new posters.  

Witches have been known to stir pots!  Klaas were there any other familiar names registered with that modeling agency?  It looks like a more classy one than Guido's.


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well i hope Peter R. deVries can clear some things up

I think we know a witch who deals with models.  Hmmm.  A witch who has a magazine for brides and models.

Full Moon isn't until November 5th.   :lol:

Me too!  What if Peter R. deVries is convinced that Joran is guilty?  What will you think then?

It is 12:39 pm Eastern Standard Time which is also Aruba time. Whatcha doin' out of school this early in the day, KBM?

then he has to get prove

 
Aruba thinks that if they can just keep telling the same tired old lie... the one created by who - Julia? ATA? - that eventually someone will believe it and then it will be back to business at hand...

they don't understand our system though.... the boycott isn't offical it's more like the everyday person saying I am not going there it's not safe... and of course all of those that write on our money... to boycott the island of aruba.... that will never let it go away until they 'fess up....

And My Sistah!
Always can count on you for a friendly hello!  :lol:

I like to think of it as the Bushy Haired Stranger as have read that is what cops call it when somebody claims a person unknown does the crime.  Very common claim among the guilty.  Total strangers involved instead of the ones who really were.

So would this mean that in the course of one evening a female in Aruba would encounter not one but two predators?  That place sounds worse all the time!

The fishermen did not see anybody abducting Natalee.

They also did not see Natalee and Joran on the beach and oddly enough, neither did anybody else on the face of the earth.  Joran said they walked past other tourists but they would have come forward I do believe by now.

Same stuff but let's be patient and go over it all again and see if we can convey that we have looked in MB and so have the FBI and there was no insurance and we are not boycotting because of anything Beth has said and it certainly has nothing to do with Dr. Phil as many Arubans seem to think.

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i have had some kind of "exams" thats why im early out of  school

Yes, no matter who DeVries thinks did something to Natalee, I agree that hopefully he will have proof.

The truth is out there.

yeh me2

Did you ace them?

so are you going to tell him to come talk to us or not?

KBM,

You do understand that it is easy to verify if they had insurance on Natalee as it is required to be registered in a national data base on all policies that the insurance industry maintains?

They didn't have any at all.  I think it was really mean of Chief Dompig to say he was checking that and thought this was a scam by the parents.  They did this to the decries of Michigan, too.  Would you want this done to your parents if you disappeared?

We do not boycott because Beth says or Dr Phil but because our conscience tells us this is wrong and to do so.

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Hi blah...

Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:

if i was in a bank while there was a robbery and i was filling out some bank information or making a withdrawl or making a deposit or visiting a friend that works in the bank, and the robbery started and the robbers got away BUT the witnesses said i was in the bank and i looked like a robber or that i was involved in the robbery  

i would NOT tell LIE after LIE about not being in the bank

i would not change my story dozens of times

i would not lie about my sneakers

i would not call the teller a slut

i would not call me friends and say im home

i would not call my friends and say "how is the teller doing"


this case is crystal clear to me

JORAN
K1
K2
Paulus
all had ROLES in it

simple as pie

KBM - just out of curiosity, do you know Freddy Arambatzis?  Do you have any idea why Joran, Deepak and Satish would be returning Freddy's camera to him per Satish's June 24th statement?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=374

are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?

agreement.

Like your avatar... :wink:

[quote="blah
Do you really think he would speak the truth?

Doubtful... :roll:[/quote]

are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?[/quote]

Oh I didn't say that .
i would love to~

are you saying you wouldnt like the opportunity to ask him a few questions?[/quote]

Oh I didn't say that .
i would love to~[/quote]

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wicked funny justins...