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Title: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:13:49 AM

Lovesong

Following is the final "draft" of the data posts which will be inserted after each of the mini timelines from 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

Janet

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:19:00 AM

2005

ARUBAN CHIEF OF POLICE - GEROLD DOMPIG

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicion encompassing the involvement of Joran, Deepak and Satish.
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

RITA COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?
GEROLD DOMPIG: Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Joran went back and forth with his statements, and he withdrew two statements which he had already given to us. So basically, none of his statements were really trustworthy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9727957/

'Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: Well, it would take me, I think, a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. None of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188

'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

'The Abrams Report'

GEROLD DOMPIG: So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:22:27 AM

2005

THE CONFESSION - JUNE 10, 2005

On June 10, 2005, a spokesperson for the office of the Aruban Minister of Justice reported that authorities confirmed the death of Natalee Holloway and the location of her body was known.

The Aruban chief of police reported that one of the suspects had provided a confession but ... the chief refused to reveal which suspect.

Prior to the Aruban Justice Minister's denial and his spokesperson's retraction, Natalee Holloway's parents had been notified of their daughter's demise.

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'Fox News'

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

'Fox News'

RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html

'CBS News'

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml

'Meridian Star'

DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html

'Scarborough Country'

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

'Crime/Punishment'

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm

'Fox News'

Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:26:47 AM

2006

A FATHER'S NIGHTMARE

In April, 2006 a book authored by the father of Natalee Holloway was released. Dave Holloway shares with readers almost one year of desperately seeking answers to the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning his precious daughter went missing and was never seen again.
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ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Excerpts

Page 9: In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10: While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist. ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16: During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s. ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

Page 182: I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183: It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it. He (Art Wood) noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it. We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance. He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy. Art asked him (Dennis Jacobs) where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart. We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction. There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence. Apparently, you cannot get into that place. It looks like a prison camp. Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Page 118-119: I walked up to (Michael) Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:30:23 AM

2006

THE BOYCOTT

Considering that Aruban Law Enforcement appeared to be preventing justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen, in the fall of 2005, Natalee Holloway's father joined her mother in the calling of a boycott again travel to Aruba.

On January 19, 2005, Governor Bob Riley and Senator Steve French proclaimed an official voluntary boycott of travel to Aruba.
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'48 Hours Mystery'

Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml

'On the Record w/ Greta'

DAVE HOLLOWAY: I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html

'CBS News'

Gov. Bob Riley called for a nationwide travel boycott of Aruba on Tuesday on behalf a missing Alabama teenager's family, who accuse the island's government of not fully cooperating with the investigation into her disappearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/national/main1025538.shtml

'The Birmingham News'

Alabama Senate votes to support boycott of Aruba
1/19/2006, 3:43 p.m. CT
The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) â€” Gov. Bob Riley's call for a tourism boycott of Aruba has picked up support from the Alabama Senate, which says the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has suffered from too many missteps.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 27-0 for a resolution supporting a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island. Sen. Steve French, R-Birmingham, said he proposed the resolution at the request of the family of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates. She was last seen leaving a bar with a young Dutch national and two Surinamese brothers.

The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway's disappearance "has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies."

"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation," French said.

During a special session in July, the Alabama House passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Aruba.

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1137707351114580.xml&storylist=alabamanews

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:45:07 AM

2006

A MOTHER'S JOURNEY OF FAITH

In the Fall of 2007, a book authored by the mother of Natalee Holloway was released. Beth Holloway shares with readers the heartbreak, the frustration and the desperations in her ongoing journey to be a voice for her daughter until justice prevails.

Then she shares the sustaining faith that has given her courage to endure.

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Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Excerpts

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fronT desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies. "He lives in Aruba." I stutter. "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says. It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here.

Page 44: Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn. ... Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and the address. On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 76: The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard. It's quiet. I am very cold, waiting for him to begin. As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes. It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view. So he has been here. He has given his statement. It has been destroyed for some reason. Did he change his mind? Can you even do that? Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?

Page 148/149: Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is. How smart he is. I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess. And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently. How he exibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother. How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases. After about thirty minutes she concludes by tell us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his definant behavior.

Now it's my turn. I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments. And cut to the chase. Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10 and 13. The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general's office. The sexually explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee. Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used. Where he said he put them. How their son described my daughter's pubic area, her underwear. How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up. I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened. Little bead of sweat form across Paulus' brow and forehead.

Page 157: Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning. And no statement was taken from the DEA agent. Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

Page 157/158: No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support."

"Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us. 1. Beth Holloway learns almost immediately after arriving on the Island of Aruban that the last person who was with her daughter prior to disappearing had lied to the Mountain Brook students.

Page 182: Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody" she says. Then just three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter. Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!. Then all the media start calling. I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul. None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor. But the word is out all over the island from the defense side that all three suspects will walk. Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me that it is indeed true. So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free. And we are the last ones to find out.

Page 183: The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.

Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute

Page 185: The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3. The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead. Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there. It's the U.S. vice-consul. At the van der Sloots' house. Why is she here? She spots me. Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone. I don't want to talk to her. Who can we trust?

Through it all ...

Pages 209/210: Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Page 227: Jug has supported me through this entire nightmare. And we have done everything we can.

Page 229/230: As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero. Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself. He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others. Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times. They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals. I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct. Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times. A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time." It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people. And I am amazed at her profound words here. I sit and read the entire journal ...

Pages 230/231: I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not. I know it doesn't look good. But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss. And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith. It won't ever be the same. But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on. Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow. And the next day. And the next.

Page 232: Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:47:40 AM

Lifesong

I realize the above data post is too long. Maybe the faith portion Through it all could be deleted. Remember to also edit the faith portion in the leading statement.

Janet

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:52:09 AM

2007

CATCH AND RELEASE

In November, 2007, ten Aruban attorneys concluded that the Aruban prosecutor had sufficient evidence to rearrest Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing.

However, less that one month later all three suspects were released. A judge deemed that evidence did not justify the rearrest.
_________

'On the Record w/ Greta'

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

'ABC New'

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737

'ABC News'

A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case. The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1207/482539.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:54:02 AM

2007

TWO YEARS TOO LATE

In April and May of 2007 Dutch investigators search the grounds and home of the van der Sloots and the Kalpoes respectively. Results of the search were never revealed.
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'CBS News'

In April, investigators from the Netherlands dug around the home of van der Sloot's family for two days without revealing what prompted the search. Then in May, Dutch and Aruban investigators visited the home where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents for what authorities termed an "inspection," without revealing details.

http://cbs11tv.com/national/natalee.holloway.dutch.2.593326.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 03:55:46 AM

2006

THE BOYCOTT

Edit

On January 19, 2005 s/b On January 19, 2006

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 10:12:37 AM

2007

THE OCEAN SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

In mid December of 2007 a crew of Americans on board a vessel named The Persistence begins a search for Natalee Holloway's remains in the waters off Aruba. On Christmas Day a discovery is made while sonar scanning the ocean floor. The discovery was a large fish trap. On December 29th an ROV is ultilized to capture images of what is contained within.

Kyle Kingman, the ROV operator and remote analysis on board the Persistence, came to the conclusion that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been placed within that trap.

However, on a December 30, 2007, Aruban divers claimed that their investigation revealed there was nothing related to the Natalee Holloway case inside the trap.

John Silvetti, the Project Lead on board the Persistence, accepted the words of the Aruban divers unconditionally.
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The Persistence - Key Personnal

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor- Responsible for overall project planning and development. Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC . Donated the R/V Persistence for the search effort.
http://silvettigroup.com/

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html

In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.

Kyle Kingman: When Tim T. gives one thumb down, he said that it was inconclusive. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection.

Kyle Kingman: John (Silvetti) is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 10:44:18 AM

2008

THE RECOVERY DIVE

On January 7, 2008 Aruban divers sampled and recovered the contents of the large fish trap disovered with sonar on the ocean floor off the coast of Aruba on Christmas Day, 2007 by the ROV operator and remote analyst on board the Persistence.

The crew of the Persistence were not involved in the recovery process ... only the Arubans.

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In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman: The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2009, 11:01:47 AM

Lifesong

I apologize. Time has run out. I failed to complete data posts for 2008 and ... nothing for 2009. If time permitted I had plan on doing data posts on the following:

2008:
Side scanning by Persistence at Monserat Pond.

2009:
Dave Holloway's search of the Monserat Pond.
Beth's production.

Anyways ... in the compiling of this presentation ... feel free do what you what with my data posts. Editing or omitting is fine with me. I will leave it up to the discretion of you and others as to what should be included.

Janet
7:55 AM PT

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Lifesong on April 19, 2009, 02:59:31 PM

2008
SONAR SCANNING BY PERSISTENCE AT MONTSERAT POND

On February 27, 2008, two members of the RV Persistence ocean search crew performed a sonar-scan survey of Montserrat Pond. Kyle Kingman, the crew’s geophysical engineer and marine geologist was responsible for the results analysis and target identification.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3350134268_6898a40f2c_o.jpg)
Photo Credit: BonDia/Klaasend

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In His Own Words

Quote from: oceanexploration on February 28, 2008, 03:34:45 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876)
Kyle Kingman: "This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb). They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range. In this case we used between 50-100ft range. By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond. I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy."

Kyle Kingman: “There are 18 targets. Two are definitely tires. The rest, who knows. It's likely tin cans, mud clumps, and debris. There is one small box-like target but it's only 2ft across and doesn't have much relief, unless it's completely sunk into the mud (likely). I can find something about the size of a hockey puck with that system in good conditions. The water was very shallow when this survey was done. Remember, in February 2006 the pond was almost dry.

Kyle Kingman: “I think it is highly unlikely and completely inconsistent with numerous testimonies and other evidence that the pond (or anything but the ocean) contains Natalee's remains.”

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8114/pondsonarsearch.jpg)
Photo Credit: Kermit

Click here to view the image results of the sonar scan (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4804.msg754946#msg754946).

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 24, 2009, 02:10:25 PM

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 26, 2009, 11:26:41 AM

1. According to Beth ... the sexually explicit words spoken by Joran were either omitted or deleted in the Aruban police officers' statements

2. Joran van der Sloot was speaking in English to the "Alabama men"
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THE ARUBAN POLICE OFFICERS

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Page 189: Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters descried by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that. There ‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.

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THE LANGUAGE

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Page 47: The DEA agent tells everyone to remain in their vehicles until he gets there. And suggests that the women not get out of their cars at all. Jodi stays in the van, and I stay in the rental car ...

Page 48: The DEA agent arrives and all the men gather in a circle in the dirt and gravel driveway area under street light in front of the van der Sloot house ...

Alberto and Claudio go back and forth between the group and my car to update me on the conversation ...

Page 49: Joran describes Natalee's underwear with the dark blue embroidery and the flowers. He describes her public area. I know what he is referring to. She is shaven higher than usual for her bathing suit. Dear God. He has been with her. Joran continues and tells the men that he inserted a finger in her. Than another one. I am sickened by his sexually explicit and grapically detained account. Nauseated ...
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Page 50: Paulus interrupts his son, telling him not to say anything else, telling him he does not have to talk to us. They talk Dutch to one another.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 11:26:32 AM

FURTHER CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS?

When you consider Gerald Dompig's position within the investigation and ... Arlene Ellis-Schipper's position as spokesperson for the investigation ....

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' – April 7, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/

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On the Record w/ Greta – May 25, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show — Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don't know if that is first, second, etc. Cousins... and yes, Aruba is a small place.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196974,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 11:52:09 AM

CONFLICT OF INTEREST? YOU BE THE JUDGE?

If justice for Natalee Holloway is the objective of the Aruban Law Enforcement ... why the unholy alliance between the investigation and those who represent the tourist industry?

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ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER - MEDIA SPOKESPERSON

Nancy Grace - December 1, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN TASK FORCE SPOKESPERSON: Thank you.

DIMOND: ... first of all, what is this task force you`re speaking on behalf of?

SCHIPPER: Well, the task force is a combination of concerned people of Aruba, as well as the government. And what we are doing is actually constantly monitoring this case and finding and promoting the truth and stimulating everything, from both support to the family...

DIMOND: But it`s not just -- you don`t speak for the police and the prosecution.

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: You also speak for the merchants and the hotel operators on the island?

SCHIPPER: I do.

DIMOND: Don`t you think that`s a little bit in conflict there?

SCHIPPER: No.

DIMOND: I mean, aren`t we after the truth and not really worrying what the hotel managers want?

SCHIPPER: We are after the truth because Aruba has nothing to gain with not telling the truth or covering up. Aruba wants to get this case solved.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html

STEVE COHEN - MEDIA SPOKESPERSON

Dr. Phil show - January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=

Edit to correct link per request.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 12:04:16 PM

LINK CORRECT: ABOVE POST

Nancy Grace - December 1, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ng.01.html

DONE.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 01:12:04 PM

A MEDIA COVERUP? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

I will give credit to where credit is due.

Aruba was very forthright in regards to the objective behind the creation of The Strategic Communications Task Force as well as the appointment of a media spokesperson. Challenging negative media encompassing the Natalee Holloway case which had the potential to effect tourism was where it was at.

Think about it. Steve Cohen is not a member of Aruban Law Enforcement but ... he is privvy to "a full knowledge of the case".

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158: Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

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Aruba - June, 2005

The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders

"The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba."

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm

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Prime Minister Nelson Oduber presents “anti incorrect news” committee
by A.M. Digital
Posted: Jun 30, 2005 17:21 UTC

ORANJESTAD - At the weekly Government press conference Prime Minister Oduber officially presented a committee that was just appointed and with the task to minimize the effect of all the negative and incorrect information that is being disseminated on Aruba in connection with the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway ...

“Aruba is known for its solidarity and in these difficult moments the Government is requesting the assistance of all citizens that are of good will in fighting the incorrect and negative information on Aruba that is going around the globe. There are media, in particular the international media that transmit negative and even incorrect information, giving the impression out there that our institutions do not function, which is something that the Government does not agree with” said the Prime Minister The committee consists of public and private sector personalities and some that have served this country in high positions.

“The committee has been working for some time behind the screens without too much publicity, and function on behalf of the people of Aruba in order to minimize the impact of the negative news that is being sent out."

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 01:53:27 PM

AN ARUBAN COVERUP? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

Steve Cohen ... a spokesperson for the investigation who has a "full knowledge of the case" ... states that two of the suspects claimed they had sex with Natalee Holloway.

Steve did later clarify that the claim of the two suspects were not part of the "official record."

Inquiring minds want to know why this claim was not part of the "official record".

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

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CARIBBEAN VOICE
Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway’s investigation
Jan 18, 06 | 12:14 pm
By Hazel Heyer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (eTurboNews) -- Serious sunshiny days and sun-kissed smiles are about to greet the Caribbean island of Aruba sometime soon. Tourism has been shattered by the case of a single incident of an Alabama girl missing since spring break of last year. Closure on the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance seems imminent. The timeline drawn is about six to seven months from yesterday's announcement.

This, according to SMDG Consulting Team chairman Stephen Cohen, adviser to the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force who spoke at the Caribbean Marketplace being held in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Cohen's team is tasked with bringing out the facts in the case and establishing a more orderly approach in dealing with the media in a crisis situation. A seasoned television news expert from CBS, Cohen has been part of the SMDG team since the beginning of the investigations.

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen …

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ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 06:51:26 PM

A CORRUPT INVESTIGATION? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

Steve Cohen ... the spokesperson investigation ... the spokespers with a "full knowledge of the case" ... claims on the Dr. Phil show to the mother of Natalee Holloway that forensic evidence has surfaced that has the potential of affording her closure.

What happened to that "forensic evidence".

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

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Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

"Did you say to them these boys were going to be brought in within 10 days and re-interrogated?" Dr. Phil asks.

"Yes, I did," he (Steve Cohen) replies. "But I also knew that the prosecutor had a choice to make." He says the choice was whether or not to reveal new evidence right away, if waiting meant a better chance of getting a conviction later. ...

Steve explains, "Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we've got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case." ...

Dr. Phil asks Beth if she has something to say in response.

"Well, just what I was saying at the beginning," she says. "As you can see, we're put through enough as it is. And I think that was the problem early on in Aruba. We've had each official who has given us that false hope, and a family doesn't need that. They need facts. They don't need false hope, because we can deal with the truth." ...

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=6&null=null
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=7&null=null

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2009, 09:15:20 PM

COVERUP TO PROTECT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

The defence attorneys for Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe, Mickey John and Abraham Jones were not afforded Joran van der Sloots May 31, 2005 witness statement. The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied that Joran's statement was not relevent in respect to their clients.

On May 30, 2008 ... three years later ... Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was revealed.

Do the words within the statement pertain to the Kalpoe brotherss and/or the security guards?

You be the judge!!

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SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PROSECUTOR

Nancy Grace - June 10, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Why is it that the defense attorneys for the other four have not been allowed to see this Dutch boy`s statement, the son of the Aruban judicial official?

VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html

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Joran van der Sloot
Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly ...

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home. Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking. The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar. She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok. The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him. In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car. All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by. In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels. In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse". On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel. In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation. She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel. At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby". My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard. After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2009, 03:30:40 PM

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2009, 01:56:55 PM

WATCH YOUR DRINKS!

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

It was June 1, 2005, our first evening in Aruba, my daughter was missing and a detective was telling us to go to a local bar and have a beer. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He said it was the hot spot for vacationing kids. "Maybe she will show up." In fact, he was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

On the Record w/ Greta – April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: And he (Dennis Jacobs) told us, he said "Well, just go on down to Carlos 'N Charlie's." He said, "This happens all the time. People come up missing and they miss the flight, partied too much" and so on and so forth and "Just go down there and have a beer."
And I was thinking well, you know, what about a search? And I was told "Well, why would you want to do that for?" And I said, "Well, isn't that what you normally do when someone is missing?" He goes, "No, just go on down there and have a good time." But he says, "Watch your drink. That's one thing you better do is watch your drink."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 09, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

ACCORDING TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER ...
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'On the Record w/ Greta' - April 11, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:: It talks about, it says the "tragic untold story of Natalee Holloway and corruption in paradise." That's the first time I've heard you say sort of publicly the word corruption. I mean you kept a nice game face all, you know, summer and fall, corruption?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Corruption, yes. There's a lot of things that occurred on the island before Natalee got there and we addressed some of those issues. But, you know, you have a 17-year-old kid that basically runs the island. He's 17 years old. The legal age of gambling is 18. The legal age of drinking is 18. The legal age of driving is 18. And here he does all three.

You know and then this happens with Natalee and then you get a low level police officer trying to make a decision, "Do I arrest these boys or do I turn my head and look the other way?" And we think that they've turned their head and looked the other way.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so who is corrupt?

HOLLOWAY: You know I can't put my finger on it but there's a lot of red flags about at least one individual, probably two or three others.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2009, 02:32:57 PM

In February, 2008 did Hans Mos present the three judge panel with Freddie's sixth and seventh statements where Joran ... in own words ... reveals that Freddy's words concur with his words in the Devries video recording which pertain to "shaking."

Janet

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February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819;topicseen#msg350819

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other. Some further statements follow after that. In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.Unofficial Engish translation

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2009, 05:48:20 PM

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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Pages 184/185 - The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurrican Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

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Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway
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Page 142: Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

TIMELINE:

1. 07/05/05 - Judge releases Deepak and Satish from detention
2. 07/05/05 - Joran is to be held for an additional sixty days.
3. 08/29/05 - While Joran is still detained ... Deepak and Satish are rearrested.
4. 09/01/05 - Judge rules that Joran is held for another thirty days.
5. 09/01/05 - Judge rules that the Kalpoes can be released.
6. 09/01/05 - Judge reverses the ruling. Joran can be released.
7. 09/04/05 - Judge rules that Joran, Deepk and Satish are to be released with restrictions.
8. 09/17/05 - A panel of judges rules that restrictions are to be lifted.

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TIME LINE BACKUP
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DEEPAK AND SATISH RELEASED - JORAN HELD
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CNN News - July 5, 2005

Two brothers held nearly a month as suspects in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway were released Monday, but a judge ordered a third youth to remain in police custody, court officials said.

The judge ordered 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe and his 18-year-old brother, Satish, freed after hearings Monday morning. They were released a few hours later.

Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, was ordered held for another 60 days while police continue to investigate.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/04/aruba.missing/index.html

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DEEPAK AND SATISH REARRESTED
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'The Abrams Report' - August 29, 2005

Prosecutors say all of this is based on new information.

"In the early morning hours of Friday, the 26th of August, 2005, police once more arrested the brothers, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe. They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before. They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody.

Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S.K. and D.K. again, there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

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ARUBAN ATTORNEY: "REAL, REAL EVIDENCE"
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'On the Record w/ Greta - August 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

... Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

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JUDGE SMID'S FLIP FLOP RULING
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Associated Press - September 1, 2005

The judge in the case issued two rulings: In the first, he agreed with prosecutors' request to extend the period of van der Sloot's pretrial detention by 30 more days.

But later Thursday, the judge issued another ruling that sided with the defense — an order to immediately suspend the execution of his earlier pretrial detention order.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163292/

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SUSPECTS RELEASED WITH RESTRICTIONS
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FOX News - September 04, 2005

SAINT NICOLAAS, Aruba - All three suspects in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager were released from jail Saturday in a setback for the prosecution and the biggest blow yet to Natalee Holloway’s family.

Joran van der Sloot, an 18-year-old Dutchman, and two Surinamese brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18 and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, were released on condition they remain in Dutch territory and be available to police for questioning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168442,00.html

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RESTRICTIONS LIFTED
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Alabama Associated Press - September 17, 2005

An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions.

Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 11:46:30 AM

I honestly do not believe that the death of Natalee Holloway was intended. I suspect that Natalee's unintended death occurred during the course of planned wrongdoing by Joran van der Sloot and others ... planned wrongdoing for which there had never been any legal accountability in the past.

Hey ... there was even photos of past wrongdoing which involved Joran but ... Aruban justice for the victim was not forthcoming.

No accountability implies other "Natalees" are at risk by those who believe the legal boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to them.
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SUSPICIONS - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULT?

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

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Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested. The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

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'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough. What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

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Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing. Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college. At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 20, 2009, 11:49:36 AM

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 10, 2010, 06:50:23 PM

Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

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In Beth Holloway's Own Words

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: "The threat is bigger than the money," he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 6, 2005

BETH TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

Something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - December 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her. There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2010, 01:30:31 PM

THE ATA AND THE AHATA

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 158: The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page157: On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop. The Aruban government hired him for damage control. He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruban Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business and political leaders. Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.

According to John Silvetti

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount. So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2010, 01:38:41 PM

THE CLOAK OF COVER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 184/185 - The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142: Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2010, 05:14:01 PM

THE THREAT

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: "The threat is bigger than the money," he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.

Pages 209/210: Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 117: I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee's disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2010, 03:55:29 PM

Quote from: klaasend on April 19, 2010, 12:15:16 PM

http://leadercall.com/peopleandplaces/x993505143/Deadline-For-Women-s-Life-Conference-Registration-extended

(http://leadercall.com/archive/x563625244/g00025800000000000029374d63c8ae6630c18d59f5eb785cd45dc76353.jpg)

April 19, 2010
Deadline For Women’s Life Conference Registration extended

<snipped:

Jones OnStage, the entertaining show choir of Jones County Junior College, will perform prior to the 2 p.m. keynote presentation by featured speaker Beth Holloway. Holloway, the mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway, will present an inspiring message—one that has touched the hearts of women across America. “There is no way to fully comprehend what this family has gone through,” Vanderslice said. “Beth Holloway has made it her mission to travel the country and talk about women and safey. Holloway’s presentation at the conference will certainly be one that you will not want to miss.”

<snipped>

For more information about the Women’s Life Conference, call 601-399-0506.

Thanks Klaas.

Beth Holloway is one amazing woman. She is an inspiration to me. Beth made an unselfish pledge early on and ... she stayed focused and ... shefollowed through.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. I can’t get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2010, 04:47:31 PM

MESSING WITH THE WITNESS STATEMENTS

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182: The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs. He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda. But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ... I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten.

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 27, 2010, 04:52:02 PM

REMINDER

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - December 6, 2005

BETH TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

Something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

'Rita Cosby Live&Direct' - December 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, of course, it's very frustrating. You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 29, 2010, 01:22:07 PM

Beth Holloway made a 40 year commitment to be a voice for her daughter and ... she has remained focused ... she has never diverted from that commitment.

Prior to establishing a cover up agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... Aruba failed anticipated the determination of a Mother's love.

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'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. I can’t get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial. I just know that he has to live with it. He`ll be the one that`s looking over his shoulder the rest of his life. So we`ll see.

HUGHES: OK. Well, Jug, let me ask you this. What do you do next? I mean, what do you and Beth do next?

TWITTY: Well, I`ll tell you, Holly, one thing, you know, Beth -- and of course it`s heartbreaking for her too, I know. And -- but Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:05:43 PM

MELODY?

Buckeye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #340 on: April 27, 2008, 11:36:45 AM »

Is this for real??

he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377538#msg377538

klaasand
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #342 on: April 27, 2008, 12:01:12 PM »

Melody didn't capitalize any letters either

Melody posts:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=163.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377538#msg377538

Buckeye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #346 on: April 27, 2008, 12:42:11 PM »

I vote Melody.

Link to chapter from his book:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377538#msg377538

klaasand
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #381 on: April 27, 2008, 01:45:47 PM »

I think it is Melody.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.380

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

To your question whether Joran could have been involved with a rape some time before, I can say the following. I do not know. My brother told me once that a girl had said that she had been impregnated by Joran. I do not know what happened after that.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:08:15 PM

Fernley high School News

Daily Bulletin
Thursday, April 29, 2010

Students: this Friday we will have the honor of hosting Beth Holloway as our guest speaker at the assembly. She will be speaking to us about her personal story of her daughter. so look forward to Friday's assembly it's going to be awesome!

http://fhs.lyon.k12.nv.us/

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can't save her. It's too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone's daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others. And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:11:24 PM

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #695 11/27 -
« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2007, 01:55:19 PM »

I have to say that I have never seen such a miracle as is evidenced by the endless dedication to the truth that the existence of this site and the participation of you posters represents. Whenever Beth has been too tired to speak or prohibited by the process to talk, this group has always, without fail, stepped up to the plate and pushed this process forward. Only the hand of God could have created the resources and dedication required to have accomplished this. Every member of this site should pat themselves on their back for a job well done. I am impressed, amazed, and in awe, not to mention forever thankful to each and every one of you as it is and has been a pleasure to watch the ferious protection you have provided Beth as it makes me believe in the existence of a God and the humanity of man.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2393.msg306707;topicseen#msg306707

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:14:35 PM

Not a BOMBSHELL but ... when Natalee Holloway was sharing her personal definition of a hero in her journal ... I believe she was exemplifying her own mother.

++++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229/230: As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero. Natalee writes:

"A Hero is someone who puts others before himself. He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others. Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times. They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals. I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct. Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times. A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself."

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time." It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people. And I am amazed at her profound words here. I sit and read the entire journal ...

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:16:17 PM

On the Record w/ Greta - June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S MOTHER: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:18:18 PM

'Scarborough Country' - June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF SUSPECT: ... That my husband, who is a man full of integrity, who worked for 15 years in the (INAUDIBLE) department, that he got taken like this, without any evidence, without any—without anything? That—I was just furious.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8344621/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 06:46:01 PM

Posted 12/15/2005 5:23 PM
Georgia governor calls for travel boycott of Aruba

ATLANTA (AP) — Gov. Sonny Perdue encouraged Georgians on Thursday to boycott travel to Aruba to protest the way officials there have handled the disappearance of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Perdue joins Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Alabama Gov. Bob Riley in calling for a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island.

"This boycott is necessary because Aruban authorities have failed to conduct a serious investigation" of the teen's disappearance, Perdue said. "We have no quarrel with good citizens of Aruba, but the actions of their leaders cannot be taken lightly."

Riley sent letters to his fellow governors across the country this month asking for their support of the boycott.

In the letters, Riley blames the Aruban government for what he called "missteps, miscommunication and inconsistencies" plaguing the investigation into the 18-year-old's disappearance.

Holloway's family initially praised Aruban authorities for their work on the case, but they recently turned critical, alleging incompetence and conflicts of interest.

The boycott has failed to get support from the U.S. State Department.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-12-15-aruba-travel-boycott_x.htm

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 07:02:23 PM

Beth Holloway made a 40 year commitment to be a voice for her daughter and ... she has remained focused ... she has never diverted from that commitment.

Prior to establishing a cover up agenda to prevent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... Aruba failed to anticipated the determination of a Mother's love.

++++++++

'Scarborough Country' - October 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:

"What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. I can’t get justice for Natalee".

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

HOLLY HUGHES, GUEST HOST: Well, Jug, let me ask you this, do you think that Joran van der Sloot will ever be arrested and brought to trial in Natalee`s case?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY: I`d like to hope that he would, but I doubt it. You know, I pray every night that something will happen, somebody will say something. But to be honest, Holly, there`s so many people involved in this, it was a huge cover-up from the beginning. And there are so many people protecting him that I don`t know if they`d ever bring him to trial. I just know that he has to live with it. He`ll be the one that`s looking over his shoulder the rest of his life. So we`ll see.

HUGHES: OK. Well, Jug, let me ask you this. What do you do next? I mean, what do you and Beth do next?

TWITTY: Well, I`ll tell you, Holly, one thing, you know, Beth -- and of course it`s heartbreaking for her too, I know. And -- but Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2010, 08:07:35 PM

Beth's brother gets it!

++++++++

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #891 on: March 07, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »

Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311

Robin Holloway - December, 2007

As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

yw hmd!

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2010, 09:01:02 PM

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »

I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother, and if he has a child, the mother of his child, would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? ....

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586

gn

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 09:56:13 AM

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #249 on: April 06, 2008, 09:34:33 PM »

... It is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692;topicseen#msg371692

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 09:57:31 AM

THE ARUBAN PEOPLE

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #969 on: December 31, 2007, 01:10:46 AM »

I am amazed at the ignorance of the Arubans whom blame Beth for the spreading of rumor and innuendo against the innocent when it is caused by the cover up for the protection of a very few, who wouldn't bother to even think of helping their neighbor in Aruba and would not hesitate to cast blame on the innocent. Ask the security guards if you don't believe me. There are people in Aruba who know what happened that night who have the key to clearing the innocent from guilt in the court of public opinion, and who can restore the friendship of the masses of Aruba and the US. They can also restore a vital economic link between the two countries improving the economy for which they depend on for a living, yet they foolish keep their lips sealed and the boycott on. Naive innocents who will learn one day just how unimportant they are to the guilty. But I have to admit their loyalty to one another is greater than any loyalty I have ever seen. An entire island banded together to protect it's criminals.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323331;topicseen#msg323331

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157/158: No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 09:58:25 AM

MARK PURCELL - RESPONSE TO ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S POST AT BFN

MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »

Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 03:57:26 PM

It appears that Stanley Zaandam was privy to the truth very early on in the so-called Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

+++++++

STANLEY ZAANDAM

AUGUST, 2006

Eric Zaandam - President Police Union, Aruban television 8/28/06

Now, information are coming out that Jan v/d Straatten was indeed investigated and had telephone conversations with people about the case that he should not have contacts with, or even talk about the case.

Rudy Croes - Minister of Justice - Top 95 radio 8/28/06

Aruban Minister of Justice Mr. Rudy Croes, in relationship with the Natalee Holloway investigation, revealed a very serious information in direction of Van der Straaten.

Minister Croes revealed that he knows about various telephone calls of Van der Straaten and that he, the minister, knows with whom Van der Straaten was talking to ...

<snipped>

Natalee’s Freebirds

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg287560;topicseen#msg287560

DECEMBER, 2008

Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 04:02:19 PM

It appears that Zaandam was privy to the truth very early on in the so-called Aruban investigation into the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

+++++++

AUGUST, 2006

Eric Zaandam - President Police Union, Aruban television 8/28/06

Now, information are coming out that Jan v/d Straatten was indeed investigated and had telephone conversations with people about the case that he should not have contacts with, or even talk about the case.

Rudy Croes - Minister of Justice - Top 95 radio 8/28/06

Aruban Minister of Justice Mr. Rudy Croes, in relationship with the Natalee Holloway investigation, revealed a very serious information in direction of Van der Straaten.

Minister Croes revealed that he knows about various telephone calls of Van der Straaten and that he, the minister, knows with whom Van der Straaten was talking to ...

<snipped>

Natalee’s Freebirds

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg287560;topicseen#msg287560

DECEMBER, 2008

Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 04:04:57 PM

Was Zaandam's book ever published?

Janet

++++++

Police Union president confirms that Holloway case investigation has officially stopped Until the government explains what exactly the role of the new prosecutor will be.
DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

According to Zaandam, he noted that letters that were sent to the police force, to indicate that certain persons cannot speak with the press anymore, etc. Also, in the Public Prosecutor’s Office, certain people cannot speak to the press, which makes everything fall upon the police force, on its employees.

According to the SPA president, it is now enough and they have to explain to the press what is taking place, so that the press can see what is going on.

Zaandam said that he wants to elaborate on the matter of Commissioner Dompig, where he has been prohibited from speaking to the press and that the Minister of Justice said that Dompig speaks too much with the press and because of this he has forbidden him from doing so.

According to Zaandam, 2 months ago Dompig was approached by AHATA’s CEO, who is a member of the Communications Task Force, Jorge Pesquera, to become spokesperson of the task force.

The reason was that a few consultancy companies in the US showed that the message on the part of Aruba was not reaching in a clear and strong manner internationally using the spokespersons that they were using.

The consultancy companies counseled the Task Force to get a person who knows the legal process and knows about investigations in Aruba and so they decided to approach Dompig to do this.

The arrangement for Dompig’s interviews was that all questions that were to be asked of Dompig, among others for the magazine ‘Vanity Fair’, were first screened by the consultancy companies so that Commissioner Dompig could give the appropriate answers. All this took place according rules and wording, with the Prime Minister’s knowledge who gave the OK for this.

Now that everything has come out in Vanity Fair and that the American producers have come out with another strategy to attack Aruba, all of a sudden Dompig has become a person who speaks too much.

The Minister of Justice came into the game, as if there was no communication between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice, and now all the press knows that the Minister of Justice prohibited Commissioner Dompig from speaking.

These dirty games are unacceptable, according to Zaadam, who said that, for example, no one from the Task Force has come forward to say that they gave Commissioner Dompig the OK themselves, and that they have screened everything and that all was done in a correct manner.

The Prime Minister also can come forward to say that the Minister of Justice was at fault for prohibiting Dompig from speaking. This, according to Zaandam, who said that he wants to bring this type of thing forward to show how the police is being played by all other institutions.

All these games are for one sole objective that is unacceptable for the police, where for example prosecutor Karen Janssen was also prohibited to speak. After some time, now the Minister of Justice has expressed that prosecutor Angela from Curaçao has come to Aruba to conduct an investigation of the team of investigators.

According to the SPA president, Angela has come to Aruba to do this and not to assist in the investigation. This cannot be, according to Zaandam, who said that there can never be and investigation in an investigation.

After that SPA met with the team of investigators, they agreed that they are going to have everything on hold, until they are able to find out exactly what prosecutor Angela has come to do in Aruba. When they asked chief prosecutor Karen Janssen what prosecutor Angela came to do in Aruba, she said that she doesn’t know, that it’s something she can’t.

Prosecutor Angela hasn’t been in contact with the investigative team either, about for example, certain documents that he has related to the case, to see in detail what is taking place.

According to Zaandam, prosecutor Angela is sitting in an office at the Attorney General’s, is looking at the investigation files, which is something that cannot take place, and because of this they have stopped the investigation of the case, temporarily. Zaandam said that he realizes that this is a very troublesome decision, but it will be taken until they find more clarity about this.

He continued to say that now the American Senate has asked for more information on the case of Holloway and the intention of the government to send Arlene Schipper and Commissioner Dolfi Richardson to Washington.

Zaandam said that this is after three Commissioners that they added to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This way people’s attention is diverted.

This, according to the SPA president, who said that it is a public secret that there is a problem between the Attorney General and chief prosecutor Karen Janssen, and this is just something that cannot go on in the police force. According to Zaandam, he wants to avoid any division within the police force, that they government and others are trying to create.

First there was the supposed clash between Commissioner van der Straten and Commissioner Dompig, where van der Straten retired and things calmed down. Now Dompig took over the case, where they involved Dolfi Richardson in the game, to see if there was a clash.

SPA advised the two Commissioners that there is no clash in the police force and they expressed together that they are behind the investigative team, that they are together in this and that they speak together in respect to the team and the case. It is clear that if there is a separate power who wants to divide this team, they can forget about it.

According to Zaandam, the investigative team is doing a tremendous job and this has also been expressed by the Dutch colleagues, who were also in Aruba for the investigation.

These Dutch experts expressed in an FBI magazine that they could not have done a better job than the Aruban investigative team, however the Minister of Justice indicated that there will be an investigation of the investigative team, on the part of prosecutor Angela (whom he has respect for, according to Zaandam), who has barely 2 years as prosecutor, compared to the 15/16 years of experience of the prosecution’s office.

According to Zaandam, it’s best if they brought a prosecutor or expert from Holland, for example, who has a lit of experience in this area, for them to come do their investigation.

Zaandam said that the police of Aruba even listened to the FBI agents in Aruba speaking to their superiors in the US, saying what a good job the Aruban investigators are doing and do with the resources they have.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_getagripmonkey_archive.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 05:59:17 PM

Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2010, 05:53:03 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72405.php

Google translation:

Eric Zaandam overwachts deceased

May 12, 2010, 3:39 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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Eric Zaandam

ORANGE CITY - Eric Zaandam this morning at the age of 58 deceased in the hospital. The famous police inspector and trade unionist was recorded yesterday after they entered the work (former police station Santacruz) was a stroke. He was rushed to hospital. There he remained in critical condition in intensive care. This morning the police made known that Zaandam is deceased. The inspector is known as active vakbondlid Aruba. He was a long time the police union president of SPA.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 06:03:55 PM

Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3

To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards

Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.
He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_09_18_getagripmonkey_archive.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 08:22:40 PM

Protecting Joran from the consequences of his actions is teaching him that he is exempt from the boundaries established by a civilized society. Without intervention Joran van der Sloot's future well-being is in the balance and ... without intervention other "Natalees" are at risk. It is only a matter of time.

J+++++

BOUNDARIES

Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

TIME BOMB

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

FOR THE LOVE OF JORAN

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »

I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? ....

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 08:26:05 PM

Protecting Joran from the consequences of his actions is teaching him that he is exempt from the boundaries established by a civilized society. Without intervention Joran van der Sloot's future well-being is in the balance and ... without intervention other "Natalees" are at risk. It is only a matter of time.

+++++

BOUNDARIES

Rita Cosby Live & Direct - April 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

TIME BOMB

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER: ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

FOR THE LOVE OF JORAN

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »

I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? ....

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 08:30:03 PM

Quote from: texasmom on May 12, 2010, 07:28:46 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/eric-zaandam-president-of-spa-police.html

11.13.2005

Eric Zaandam, president of SPA [police union]

People must rest assured that our judicial system is working correctly!

DIARIO Aruba

11/12/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – The president of the police corps union, Mr. Eric Zaandam, did an interview with DIARIO related to the direction in which the whole situation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is now going.

Without a doubt, this seems like an endless matter, given that the Alabama Governor has started planning a boycott against Aruba in America, and here in Aruba, the Parliament came to a decision that an investigation into the investigative process and our involved authorities will take place, even with the intention to remove certain functionaries.

One could feel in Eric Zaandam’s voice a tone of sadness and disappointment about these latest developments, at a moment where he has given his strong opinion.

First of all, the words expressed by Mr. Zaandam are for the all the people of Aruba, who have given their unconditional support to the judicial system of our country.

According to Mr. Zaandam, he has been able to observe that there are people who want to create problems for the credibility of our justice system, they want to question the credibility of justice and for many of them, their motives are clearly personal, what has happened on various occasions and many others, for one reason or another, don’t like certain members of KPA or the prosecution.

“We must be very aware and this is a plea for the people of Aruba, to always have confidence in the police corps, in the prosecution’s office and in our judges.

Because the system that we have doesn’t favour anyone in any case. All cases are independent, all cases have to be presented not to say that it for family reasons that they will be favoured.

In what concerns the prosecution’s office, it is an institution which is completely independent, as well as our Organization of Judges who are appointed by the Kingdom, independently.

It is my belief that the people have to rest assured that justice is proceeding as it should”, Mr. Zaandam said emphatically.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 11/13/2005 02:53:00 PM

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2010, 09:17:23 PM

ERIC ZAANDAM

DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_getagripmonkey_archive.html

STANLEY ZAANDAM

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_09_18_getagripmonkey_archive.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2010, 11:47:59 AM

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, disappeared on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 in Oranjestad, Aruba and has not been seen or heard from since. Jose was last seen wearing dark blue tennis shorts, a gray t-shirt and black slippers.

5/8/2008 - TES and Jose’s parents are working with law enforcement to make the arrangements to travel to Aruba to search for Jose.

5/18/2008 – Tim Miller and members arrive in Aruba to meet with law enforcement, attend a press conference, and develop a plan for searching. A message to Tim Miller from your team members at home: “We are so proud of you and your continued commitment. You display a constant dedication to the families of missing loved ones no matter what nationality they are or where they live. As you stated before you left, Jose’s family loves him just as much as Natalee’s family loves her and as much as any other family loves and misses their lost loved ones. God Bless You for following your heart and coming to the aid of another family no matter what the circumstances are. Be safe in your efforts and come home safely and soon.”

5/25/2008 - After a week long search with the help of Jose’s family and local Arubans, unfortunately Tim Miller and TES members return with no answers as to the whereabouts of Jose. We are grateful to have received the warmth from locals to assist a family in need.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.msg386402;topicseen#msg386402

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 12:26:19 PM

Connections within the Aruban hierachy dictated from the getgo that justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

++++++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' – April 7, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER: Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/

On the Record w/ Greta – May 25, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show — Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don't know if that is first, second, etc. Cousins... and yes, Aruba is a small place.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196974,00.html

Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 16, 2010, 10:14:02 AM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2010, 05:52:58 PM

Quote from: klaasend on May 14, 2010, 10:12:09 AM

Zaandam's obit

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I squinted ... too lazy to get my specs ...and I believed there is a "Stanley" amongst the survivors.

Now that it has been confirmed that "Eric" and "Stanley" are not the same person ... it would be interesting to know what the relationship.

Janet

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 12:51:07 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 14-15: On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can't save her. It's too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone's daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others. And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Pages 209/210: Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 232: Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 226: As each Mother's Day, spring break, and anniversary marking Natalee's disappearance draw near, reporter and producers whose names and voices are still as familiar as family call to check in. They ask how Matt and I are doing. The media occasionally ask for an interview, and want to know if I've heard anything from Aruba. The answer is always the same. It's my prayer that the unprecedented media attention heaped on our tragedy will somehow have a positive impact on coverage of other missing-person cases.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231-232: I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not. I know it doesn't look good. But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss. And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith. It won't ever be the same. But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on. Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow. And the next day. And the next.

I love Natalee and miss her very much. And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island. To get her. I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call. So I keep my passport with me at all times. And right next to mine is Natalee's.

Just in case.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 02:35:43 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Scarborough Country - October 23, 2005

Beth Holloway:

"They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

yw

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 02:48:33 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Beth Holloway:

We did everything we could in looking for her. There was a government coverup, and it has been documented.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 02:57:57 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Beth Holloway:

It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'.

Loving Natalee - Page 194

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 03:29:49 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Beth Holloway:

We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/

thx

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 06:51:49 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 10: While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist. ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 16: During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s. ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182: I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koen's father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194: On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba. He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

Page 195: While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made. The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken. We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.

Page 196: I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue. It has not been an easy decision for me to make. But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position. In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba. Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott. However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott. I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 09:18:22 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter's body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 09:26:01 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 114 – 115: Since entrusting Natalee’s care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it. Nothing in my dreams is worse than my walking hours. Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare.

No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect. After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleashed at the cross, and it is a being of its own. It can soothe me, and it can torment me. It empowers me. Yet I throw things when I’m alone in the room. Shoes. Apples from a fruit basket. Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes. Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag. Over and over. I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee’s room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table where we keep the light on. Just like all parents do when they’re waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes. And tomorrow and the next day and the next we’ll put on our game faces and do it all over again until we find her.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 09:33:31 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 15: I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 09:40:29 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 09:50:47 PM

b]FIVE YEARS LATER[/b]

Reminder

Beth Holloway:

There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 25, 2010, 11:01:51 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Beth Holloway:

Jan van der Stratten is corrupt to the core of his existence. He just doesn't deserve any more words..

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-wednesday-february-13-2008-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-to-be-one-of-the-hardest-hitting-shows-to-date/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 09:43:17 AM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 184: he opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185: The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142: Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 09:51:17 AM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 14: As the countdown to graduation and her senior trip ticked down, the time moved very fast. On Friday night Natalee danced at the senior prom. The following Tuesday night she walked across the stage and accepted her high-school diploma. Two days after that she left for Aruba. And by the next Monday morning she was missing.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 10:03:58 AM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1: I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony. I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school. My pride would have enveloped us both. I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown. We would meet in the back of the church for her last moment as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you." I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire. At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband. But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 10:13:44 AM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

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Klaasend - Scared Monkeys

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 12:04:46 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182: The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs. He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda. But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ... I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1: I cannot tell you how much it hurts to lose a child. There are no words to describe the feelings that choke a parent who outlives a daughter. It is not supposed to happen this way. I was never prepared for this kind of pain, this type of emptiness. My heart has an insurmountable void that used to be filled with Natalee's presence.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 02:45:25 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Reminder

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise

by Dave Holloway (Author), Larry Garrison (Author)

Description

One father's mission to find his daughter

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to his child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me?

These are the impassioned words of Dave Holloway, father of Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance in Aruba sparked a media frenzy and an international scandal. This book is the heart-wrenching story of his search, the most complete account of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba. Continuing his investigation to this very day, Holloway discloses:

- behind-the-scenes details of the investigation
- new revelations about the corruption of the Aruban law enforcement
- and the countless trails leading to possible rape, murder, and even sexual slavery

This book is the first insider's account of one of the decade's most disturbing and mysterious stories. Using never-before-seen photographs from their family album and stories of Natalee's childhood, Holloway relates the horror of personally searching through crack houses and trash dumps for Natalee-working alone, with authorities, even with psychics-while enduring the stonewalling of Aruban officials.

Learn what really went on behind the headlines of the tragic disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

http://www.amazon.ca/Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-Corruption-Paradise/dp/1595550631
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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 02:54:18 PM

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

This is the story no one should have to tell, about the nightmare no one wants to live, told by the parent no one wants to be.

In May of 2005, Beth Holloway received the worst phone call a parent can imagine. Her beautiful daughter, Natalee, had disappeared without a trace in Aruba during her high school senior class trip. Two years later, for the first time, Beth Holloway steps forward in this astonishingly candid and inspirational memoir to tell of her harrowing ordeal and her never-ending belief in the power of faith that gave her hope against all odds.

Natalee's senior class picture was splashed across the front pages of the country's newspapers and on television. Desperate for a clue as to her daughter's whereabouts, Beth and an army of faithful volunteers searched tirelessly for the missing eighteen-year-old. In their pursuit of Natalee, they encountered many roadblocks. As the horror stretched out, Beth stood on her foundation of faith, which at times was all she had to give her strength against a barrage of unbearable questions with no answers.

Natalee's disappearance remains unsolved and her location unknown to this day. Beth's search continues.

http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Loving-Natalee-Beth-Holloway/?isbn=9780061452277

_____

yw

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 03:23:20 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: "The threat is bigger than the money," he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 117: I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee's disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 03:33:26 PM

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Carp - Scared Monkeys

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Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be traveling on now,
'Cause there's too many places I've got to see.

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 06:40:59 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

A LIFE FOREVER CHANGED

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23: Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her. I take the backseat. We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon. Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures. Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these. Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi. Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl. "Mrs. Twitty? My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you." It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent. She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba. They are in Birmingham. It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know. It's more than a mother's intuition. It's certainty. Something terrible has happened. I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive. The one we fear from the moment our children are born. The one that changes a parent's life forever.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 06:42:11 PM

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carpe - Scared Monkeys

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 07:26:12 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback - May 31, 2005

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 52: The re-enactment is over. The van der Sloots and Deepak Kalpoe leave. The police leave. The others in our group from home check into their rooms to get a couple of hours of sleep before sunup. Jug and I are staying in Natalee’s room. He goes for some rest before we will go to the police station to give out statements. I’m going to wait in the lobby for the police detective named Dennis Jacobs to meet me. He is supposed to be here in a couple of hours. I certainly can’t sleep. Maybe Natalee will just walk in. I wait in the lobby alone for the detective and review what just happened.

Page 56: I feel the heat of the sun coming up as I wait in the lobby for police detective Dennis Jacobs.

Page 57: Detective Dennis Jacobs arrives and takes a seat on a sofa in the lobby across from where I’m sitting on a coffee table.

Page 58: I’m certainly glad to see the officer. Relieved that someone in an official capacity appears to be taking an interest in Natalee’s disappearance. But expressionless and seemingly unconcerned he asks to see her passport and her driver’s license ….

Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59: Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair. As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair. “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60: He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back. He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.” And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes. Then an hour. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up. “You can’t sit in the gravel like this. Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2010, 12:02:00 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 29: Continuing to trade phone calls with the students who are waiting to fly out of Aruba, I get the tip we need.

Page 30: The students say Natalee got into a silver or gray Honda with a young man who had befriended some of her classmates.

One of Jug’s nephews, Thomas, says he actually met the guy Natalee was seen leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with.

Thomas says this young man’s name is “Gerran or Juran or something like that.”

The last information communicated from the students before they board their plane is that this Joran guy is a tourist from Holland. And he is staying at the Holiday Inn.

Page 34: It’s around eleven o”clock on Memorial Monday night when the island comes into full view.

Page 35: We land, and the door opens.

Page 36: All of us load up into the handlers’ big white van and head for the Holliday Inn.

Page 38: We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get out of the van, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel. The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies. "He lives in Aruba." I stutter. "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says. It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2010, 12:44:34 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback - May 31, 2005

LIE #2

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 45: At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 48: Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham. It’s about three o’clock in the morning. It’s a school night. They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino. They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts. I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on. Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121: And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2010, 01:16:47 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2010, 01:12:20 PM

Quote from: klaasend on May 27, 2010, 12:42:05 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/around-the-nation/natalee-holloway-missing-perso.html

Natalee Holloway missing persons center set to open in D.C. in June

The 2005 disappearance of high school graduate Natalee Holloway in Aruba during a senior class trip set off a media frenzy that resulted in several books, a Lifetime network movie and hours and hours of coverage. But years have passed and there is still no word on what happened to Holloway.

Her mother, Beth Holloway, who has worked tirelessly to keep attention on her daughter's disappearance, will be in Washington in June to announce the opening of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, a new nonprofit to assist families searching for missing relatives.

The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment on Seventh Street NW near Chinatown and the Verizon Center. The museum features Holloway's disappearance in its "Cold Case" exhibit.

The nonprofit plans to serve as a crisis clearinghouse for families of missing persons in the United States and abroad, according to a statement from the museum. The nonprofit plans to give family members a plan, contact information, a media liaison and other services. It also will offer guidelines for children and adults to travel safely, including creating a national network of college volunteers who will promote the group's safe travel program to high school and college students.

The launch is scheduled for June 8. The museum will be open from 5 to 7 p.m. at no charge. More information can be found on the center's Web site.

“In creating this organization, we hope to prevent as many missing person cases as possible." Holloway said in a statement. "But if tragedy does strike and a person goes missing, we want to provide the families support and reduce the numerous challenges that I experienced, and hopefully lead to the rescue and recovery of many more missing persons across the globe.”

--Theola Labbé-DeBose

THANKS KLASS!!

I have been googling all morning in an attempt to find something regarding this event. However ... my efforts were all in vain.

This is such exciting news and the timing is perfect. An 18 year old young lady named Natalee Holloway who went missing in Aruba and was denied the justice she was entitled to under Dutch law will not be forgotten.

Aruba ... you really blew it. You underestimated the determination of a Mother's love when you created a cover up agenda in an attempt to protect your own from accountability.

Beth Holloway has emerged the winner!! Aruba ... you lose big time.

::MonkeyGavel::

Janet

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FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Beth Holloway:

I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 27, 2010, 02:40:27 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

LIE #3

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 51: As we stand there in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, May 31, 2005, waiting to get a search warrant that is never obtained, the two who were last seen with Natalee offer to us where they dropped her off early yesterday morning. For the last time we drive back to the Holiday Inn, where Joran and Deepak demonstrate with great detail where they took Natalee, and how she stumbled and bumped her head getting out of the car, describing her over and over as “so drunk.”

Joran and Deepak then show me exactly where they dropped Natalee off in front of the hotel entrance, speading their arms in illustration of the area, which is right outside the front entrance of the Holiday Inn lobby.

Page 97: The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn. I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her. She never came back. She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:11:49 PM

Quote from: texasmom on May 28, 2010, 04:40:35 PM

http://www.headlinerwatch.com/1345/natalee-holloway-case-highlights-student-safety.htm

Natalee Holloway case highlights student safety

Posted by Keshav on May 28th, 2010 and filed under US.

Even after five years of enquiry, the mystery behind the disappearance of high school graduate Natalee Holloway refuse to get solved. It was on a senior class trip when the incident happened and had grabbed the headlines for a quite long time, giving inspiration to several books, movies, and heavy media coverage.

The sad fate of her daughter has persuaded Natalee’s mother Beth Holloway to announce the opening of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, a nonprofit to assist families on missing relatives. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment on Seventh Street NW in Washington DC. The museum features Holloway’s disappearance in its “Cold Case” exhibit.

When the efforts of finding her daughter turned fruitless, Beth Holloway finally decided to start of the non profit oraganisation aimed at preventing as many missing cases, providing the families with support and reducing the setbacks she once experienced. According to a museum statement, the center plans to give family members a plan, contact information, a media liaison and other services. In addition, guidelines for travel safety, including a national network of college volunteers to promote safe travel program to high school and college students are also on the anvil.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:12:54 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 04:59:25 PM

Quote from: klaasend on May 27, 2010, 12:42:05 PM

FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback - May 31, 2005

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58: Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59: Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair. As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair. “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60: He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back. He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.” And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes. Then an hour. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up. “You can’t sit in the gravel like this. Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:14:15 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 05:44:15 PM

NATALEE HOLLOWAY RESOUCE CENTER (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

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FIVE YEARS LATER

Flashback

Beth Holloway:

I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

::MonkeyDance::

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:19:41 PM

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:21:38 PM

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

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Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 28, 2010, 06:59:58 PM

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The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 29, 2010, 03:51:55 PM

DAVE HOLLOWAY - MAY 30, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6: On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama. But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7: Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight. I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day. Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls. I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane. I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear. It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened. I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle. I hung up the phone and broke down .....

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2010, 11:28:25 AM

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Carp - Scared Monkeys

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Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?

Lynyrd Skynyrd

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 11:25:45 AM

WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it

MAY 31, 2005 – 3:00 AM

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 44: Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and address.

Page 45: At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46: Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham. The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out …

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front. There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again. He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Page 47: Everybody is running and running to the cars. Few Words are spoken. We arrive to see people standing in front of the house. They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48: Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham. It’s about three o’clock in the morning. It’s a school night. They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino. They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts. I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on. Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121: And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 11:41:40 AM

MAY 31, 2005 – 8:00 AM

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58: Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59: Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair. As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair. “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60: He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back. He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.” And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes. Then an hour. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up. “You can’t sit in the gravel like this. Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:38:07 PM

Natalee Holloway, Missing in Aruba 5 Years Later … Beth Holloway Fights on for Missing Persons
Posted May 31, 2010 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/05/31/natalee-holloway-missing-in-aruba-5-years-later-beth-holloway-fights-on-for-missing-persons/comment-page-1/#comment-2080377

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:39:09 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 01:45:28 PM

Quote from: trimmonthelake on May 31, 2010, 01:00:51 PM

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm | reporter: Ebony Hall posted by: Ebony Hall

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She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."

Thank you trimmonthelake.

::HelloKitty::

Janet

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MAY 30, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23: Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her. I take the backseat. We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon. Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures. Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these. Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi. Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl. "Mrs. Twitty? My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you." It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent. She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba. They are in Birmingham. It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know. It's more than a mother's intuition. It's certainty. Something terrible has happened. I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive. The one we fear from the moment our children are born. The one that changes a parent's life forever.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:40:47 PM

MAY 30, 2005 – MAY 31, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6: On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama. But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7: Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight. I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day. Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls. I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane. I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear. It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened. I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle. I hung up the phone and broke down .....

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:45:03 PM

MAY 31, 2005 – 3:00 AM

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 44: Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was. A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described. They wrote down the license plate number and address.

Page 45: At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46: Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham. The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out …

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front. There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again. He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Page 47: Everybody is running and running to the cars. Few Words are spoken. We arrive to see people standing in front of the house. They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48: Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham. It’s about three o’clock in the morning. It’s a school night. They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino. They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts. I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on. Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121: And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:48:55 PM

Steve Cohen states that "off the record" two of the suspects had sex with Natalee Holloway. The words of spokesperson for the investigation affirms that Joran was not a lone participant in the event encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

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ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case ....

CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen .

ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 04:50:35 PM

Beth looks great!! What an amazing speaker!!

All of Joran's different stories regarding his last moments with Natalee are recapped beautifully.

1. Natalee was dropped off at the hotel.
2. Natalee was left at the beach.
3. Natalee died from a seizure/sea disposal
4. Natalee was sold into slavery.
5. Natalee fell from a balcony/pond disposal.

Janet

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Sad anniversary for Natalee Holloway’s mom

It’s been five years since Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared while on school trip to Arabu. Beth Holloway, her mother, tells TODAY she isn’t giving up on her quest to find out what happened to her daughter and she’s now working on a foundation that help locate missing persons over the age of 17.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37424582#37424582

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:00:10 PM

DENNIS JACOBS - JUNE 1, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 7: Once I was able to regain my composure, I call my brothers, Phil, Steve, and Todd, and my brother-in-law, Michael. Phil, Michael, and I all tried to book flights out right away but could not get any until the next day.

Page 8: We left Meridian, Mississippi, on the evening of May 31, 2005.

When I arrived in Aruba with my family, we hit the island running. We rented a car and immediately headed out to find a police station. There were only four on the island and I was amazed to find that the first two we entered knew nothing about Natalee's disappearance. We were then directed to a third one, the Noord Police Station. I walked in and said, "I'm Dave Holloway, and I need to talk to you about my daughter who is missing." A man in the back stood up and said, "How much money do you have?" That is how I first met Detective Dennis Jacobs, the investigator who was assigned to handle Natalee's case after Beth made a report to him upon her arrival on the island.

Page 9: Jacobs painted a scenario that questioned all of the beliefs and values that we had instilled in Natalee. He insinuated that she had met someone and fallen in love. "This happens all the time. She will probably show up in a few days," he theorized. "She was just partying hard," he added. "Don't worry. Just go down to Carlos 'n Charlie's and have a beer."

It was June 1, 2005, our first evening in Aruba, my daughter was missing and a detective was telling us to go to a local bar and have a beer. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully , adding that sometimes people put drugs into them. When I talked about search for Natalee, he questioned why we would want to do that.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:14:50 PM

Quote from: klaasend on May 30, 2010, 11:23:14 PM

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway/Y03AwEUcs0CuIh-MXO1bHw.cspx

Natalee Holloway...

Last Update: 9:03 pm

Sunday marks the five year anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Her mother Beth says she has transitioned from victim to victor. She’s launched two new programs: The non-profit Natalee Holloway Resource Center, to help families who have missing loved ones. She has also joined forces with Mayday 360, a company to help families in crisis when they run into trouble overseas. Holloway says she does believe she will see justice for her daughter.

The web address for Mayday 360 is listed on this page. It, along with the other two addresses mentioned in this article can be found in our "hotlinks" section right here on cbs42.com.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:21:47 PM

Natalee Holloway...
Last Update: 5/30 9:03 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

The center will launch on June 8.

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Online:

Natalee Holloway Resource Center:
http://helpthemissing.org

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-Resource-Center-opening-in-DC/WmiCaBWdB0WGtfTurywUrQ.cspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:28:03 PM

DENNIS JACOBS

MESSING WITH THE STATEMENTS?

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.

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Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182: The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs. He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda. But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most …

I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten.

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers’s name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone’s statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:28:53 PM

THE THREAT

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197: There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.

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Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 117: I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee’s disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 05:30:24 PM

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
10/2/2007

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Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
by Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

xoxo

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Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2010, 07:55:49 PM

A FATHER’S DESPERATION! A FATHER’S ANGUISH!

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2010, 03:24:57 PM

THE CONFESSION - JUNE 10, 2005

On June 10, 2005, a spokesperson for the office of the Aruban Minister of Justice reported that authorities confirmed the death of Natalee Holloway and the location of her body was known.

The Aruban chief of police reported that one of the suspects had provided a confession but ... the chief refused to reveal which suspect.

Prior to the Aruban Justice Minister's denial and his spokesperson's retraction, Natalee Holloway's parents had been notified of their daughter's demise.
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'Fox News'

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

'Fox News'

RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html

'CBS News'

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml

'Meridian Star'

DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html

'Scarborough Country'

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

'Crime/Punishment'

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm

'Fox News'

Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

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private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #312 on: January 22, 2008, 08:43:21 PM »

... I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation indicate they don't know where she is now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg331268;topicseen#msg331268

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2010, 04:27:37 PM

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 108-109: There had been so many stories and so much speculation that my head was spinning. Some things occurred that made me wonder if there was a reasonable explanation for them or whether there were people in the police department who were deliberately working against our best interests.

For instance, on June 2, 2005, during those first few days after Natalee’s disappearance, I had traveled to the California Lighthouse to initiate the land search with a group of approximately twenty to thirty tourists and locals. The light house is elevated about the sand dunes.

The Dutch Marines had been activated and were traveling to the area to conduct there own search. I was not aware they were going to show up. But I had to wonder if someone tipped them off that we were going to be in the area searching. Since it was still very early in the investigation, we did not realize that this area might have been part of a possible crime scene.

Just as we were organizing at the lighthouse, my attention was diverted to a police car that had entered the sand dunes in the distance. The vehicle was crisscrossing through the dunes, making it appear as though a frantic search was being conducted. The car stopped by a hug boulder, but it was partially blocked from my view. Did they find Natalee? I wondered. My brother Phil and I noticed two police officers hurriedly looking around in the sand. The trunk of their car was open, but by the time we were able to get down there in the four-wheeler, the officers were getting back into their vehicles and leaving.

I did not tell anyone else about this incident right away because it was the first day of our search and we did not have very many suspicions at the time. Subsequently, I reported the officers’ strange activity to the FBI and asked that it only be reported to the chief of police and the prosecutor.

In hindsight, I wonder if they had found Natalee buried in the sand and did not let us know. Or maybe they were looking for Joran’s sneakers or some other evidence. It looked very suspicious. I later heard that a woman came forward who said that she heard about a policeman who helped dig up Natalee’s body from the same area.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2010, 07:38:43 PM

Quote from: texasmom on June 11, 2010, 07:34:08 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_72923.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

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Van der Straten new drug coordinator

May 24, 2010, 13:23 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Former police commissioner Jan van der Straten is from June 15 to head the National Agency for Drug Affairs. He succeeds Eric Nassy on. Van der Straten has been given the job because he understands much of the functioning of public administration, says the government. His knowledge was very useful, because the field office of the drug business touches various ministries. On paper, Van der Straten responsibility to the Minister of Health and Sports Richard Visser (AVP), but in practice he will also collaborate with many other departments. Van der Straten, who has reached retirement age, worked until recently as Interim Director at Instituto di Cultura.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2010, 10:29:50 AM

Quote from: MisGivings on June 12, 2010, 09:38:29 AM

This is where it all started;
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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2010, 05:25:47 PM

THE PERSISTENCE STORY

CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS

December 25, 2007 - Sonar Discover
December 29, 2007 - 1st ROV Dive
December 30, 2007 - Visual Dive and 2nd ROV Dive
January 07, 2008 - Recovery Dive and 3rd ROV Dive

KYLE KINGMAN - KEY PERSONNEL

Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Introduction

Kyle Kingman: While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.

Kyle Kingman: I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

December 25, 2007 and December 29, 2007

Kyle Kingman: I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman: The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap. I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day. I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at. My heart broke for Dave and Beth. Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th. I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective was John Silvetti. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive.

December 30, 2007

Kyle Kingman: On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising. Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman: Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan. He couldn't tell by his own admission.

Kyle Kingman: By Tim's (Trahan) own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

Kyle Kingman: The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).

Kyle Kingman: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman: It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined. After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman: Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it. At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves. That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman: The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kyle Kingman: After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

January 07, 2008

Kyle Kingman: For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman: Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water. He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site. He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water. He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: Remember it was Richardson who said to us that he personally handled the evidence and sent it immediately to our FBI.

Kyle Kingman: I don't know why the time is so long between the sample date (7-Jan) and when the FBI claims to have received the items (22-Jan). Richardson claims to have personally sent the items immediately to the FBI. He didn't say anything about it being sent anywhere else. The FBI claims half the samples were sent to Holland for analysis. Richardson says the FBI got it all

Conclusion

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot. I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris.

Kyle Kingman: Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 09:45:22 AM

MELODY

When Beth and Melody's words are considered in context ... the implication is that Paulus did not pick up Joran at 11:00 PM at the Excelsior casino on the evening of May 29, 2005. In other words ... Joran did not go home prior to going to Carlos & Charlies.

Janet

+++++++

Nancy Grace - August 3, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlie`s, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html

Melody - Joran's Former Girlfriend
Riehlworld View Posts
August, 2005

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ... i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM

but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM

wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am ... i wrote down the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM

the only thing i could ever imagine being possible, for him being involved, is definitly him panicking by some accident.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:41 AM

whoo ... i'm really tired now... but lastly - the friend slept over at his house but wasn't out with him, therefor he has no alibi as to his where abouts before he got home. and i don't know, his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your story more believable right?

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:26 AM[/b]

i noticed that already Dan, you posted it the other day ... i don't mind at all ... but as long as it's clear that that's all i know, that he slept over and that he was called to come so that joran can tell him the girl is missing, and that joran told him they didn't sleep together... and trust me joran won't lie to him.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:06 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_32.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 09:48:16 AM

MELODY

When Beth and Melody's words are considered in context ... the implication is that Paulus did not pick up Joran at 11:00 PM at the Excelsior casino on the evening of May 29, 2005. In other words ... Joran did not go home prior to going to Carlos & Charlies.

Janet

+++++++

Nancy Grace - August 3, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlie`s, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html

Melody - Joran's Former Girlfriend
Riehlworld View Posts
August, 2005

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ... i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM

but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM

wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am ... i wrote down the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM

the only thing i could ever imagine being possible, for him being involved, is definitly him panicking by some accident.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:41 AM

whoo ... i'm really tired now... but lastly - the friend slept over at his house but wasn't out with him, therefor he has no alibi as to his where abouts before he got home. and i don't know, his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your story more believable right?
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:26 AM

i noticed that already Dan, you posted it the other day ... i don't mind at all ... but as long as it's clear that that's all i know, that he slept over and that he was called to come so that joran can tell him the girl is missing, and that joran told him they didn't sleep together...and trust me joran won't lie to him.
Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:06 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_32.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 10:53:30 AM

Quote from: msmarple on June 07, 2010, 06:08:19 AM

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2010, 11:39:43 PM

Quote from: msmarple on June 22, 2010, 10:52:08 PM

Lorenzo van Rijn -- June 2007

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2010, 11:42:05 PM

TRUTH OR RUMOR?

LORENZO

According to Natalee's father:

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 183: It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it. He (Art Wood) noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it. We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance. He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy. Art asked him (Dennis Jacobs) where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart. We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction. There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence. Apparently, you cannot get into that place. It looks like a prison camp. Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

According to Natalee's Uncle:

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #726 2/7
« Reply #452 on: February 08, 2008, 03:22:49 PM »

What makes us think Anita would know if Paulus had an affair with Lorenzo's mother, that resulted in a child. That is not something Paulus would tell her. They are both Dutch Nationals. I haven't a clue if he is or isn't, but there is a rumor on the island, and I don't think Anita's declaration is worth 2 cents. The affair could have happened before the VDS moved to Aruba, and in fact that could be why they moved to Aruba. For that matter, that could be a reason why the Dad committed suicide. However, it is simply a rumor, but a popular rumor on the island, one that we didn't invent, but as a result of it being a rumor on th eisland, we can't dismiss it. It is a strange rumor to have started if they are only very casually known to each other.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2582.msg344800;topicseen#msg344800

According to Jossy Mansur:

Dana Pretzer Show - June 18, 2006

Jossy Mansur: I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18

According to an Aruban Cool FM and a Dutch Journalist:

Last Update: Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

According to the local radio station Cool FM and a journalist of the Dutch current affairs column Network, a half brother of Joran, a Lorenzo van R., does fit the profile. He does have a boat and his name has already appeared earlier in the Holloway-file. Peter R. de Vries has confirmed having heard of Lorenzo van R.’s name, but that he didn’t want to use him for his programme. The Dutch programme Nova and other media have also mentioned other names, especially names of boys that often hang about the ‘surfing circuit’ near the Fisherman’s Hut next to the Marriott. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2578.msg343877;topicseen#msg343877

According to Stephanie Good ... sister of Larry Garrison ... co-author of Dave Holloways book "Aruba: The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise":

Issues with Jane Velez-Mitichell - Jun 22, 2010

STEPHANIE GOOD: You know, I don`t really -- they`re both younger than Joran. He does have one older brother that is supposed to be an illegitimate son of Paul`s, and he is an alleged drug dealer on the island who has a nickname of ecstasy. I don`t really know much about the younger brothers because they are younger than him, and at the time that this case all came up, Joran was only 17. And I believe the brothers were much younger. So, I really haven`t followed. But, you know, one of the things that we have to remember is when this case came down with Natalee going missing, from the night that Beth got to the island, Joran`s attitude was extremely arrogant towards her. .....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/22/ijvm.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2010, 10:18:14 AM

Quote from: Blonde on June 23, 2010, 08:38:44 AM

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2010, 07:33:11 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2010, 07:31:51 PM

Quote from: carpe noctem on June 24, 2010, 05:48:30 PM

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Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 147-151: The mission of meeting people and handing out the Ecclesiastes prayer cards and the beautiful colourful bracelets gives me a reason to get up and keep going. FOX anchor Greta Van Susteren wants to come along, as many of the network reps have done over the past few weeks. We’re going to the other end of the island today, near the van der Sloot neighbourhood, to ask for information. And help.

As I reach to put a prayer card into the van der Sloot mailbox, I see someone on the side of the house and call out, “Anybody home? Hello! You’ve go company! Knock, knock! Anybody home?”

A man is behind the shrubs against the house. “I see you there in the bushes.” He freezes. “I’m Natalee’s mom. I just want to give you a prayer card.”

Paulus van der Sloot has to be coaxed out of the bushes like a dog in trouble. He appears from behind the shrubs and comes to the gate. I hand him one of Natalee’s prayer cards over the fence.

Surprisingly, he says, “Come in, please. Stop the cameras, okay? Stop the cameras.”

Greta and I lock eyes for a moment, and with no hint of hesitation on her part we go inside. Through the front door we make our way across the tile floor, passing through a nicely decorated living room, under an archway, to an enclosed back-porch area. We step down to a table and chairs. Paulus’s wife, Joran’s mother Anita, is here. There’s no glass in the multiple window openings in this room, just wooden slats. And the air moves comfortably through the area. The wind blows hard all the time in Aruba, and it’s breezy in here, well ventilated. Paulus sits closest to the air flow. I sit across from him, in close proximity. Anita is on my left. Greta is next to Paulus, her body turned toward him.

Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is. How smart he is. I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess. And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently. How he exhibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother. How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases. After about thirty minutes she concludes by telling us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his defiant behaviour.

Now it’s my turn. I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments. And cut to the chase. Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10, and 13. The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general’s office. The equally explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee. Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used. Where he said he put them. How their son described my daughter’s pubic area, her underwear. How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up. I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened. Little beads of sweat form across Paulus’s brow and forehead.

My arms rest on top of the investigation notebook I carry with me all the time. Natalee’s reward poster with her picture on it is inside the front clear cover, in plain view. Paulus’s arms are on the table. Our knuckles are only inches apart arms are shaking. His fists are clenched.

“You’re responsible for Aruba being trapped in hell,” I tell him, still calm. “You can change that. But Aruba will stay in a perpetual state of hell until you come forward.”

I gently push the notebook toward him so he can see Natalee. Anita remains silent. The breeze is blowing ever cooler through the room now, yet the sweat on Paulus is increasing.

“How did Joran get home that night, Paulus?” He responds that he doesn’t know. “Did he go to school the next day?” He responds again that he doesn’t know.

Greta and I have many questions. “you mean this is the most critical time in your son’s life – he is being held on suspicion of kidnap and murder – and you don’t know how he got home or if he went to school?”

Paulus stammers when he answers. He hesitates. He sounds unnatural and blinks rapidly. His head is down. The beads of sweat turn to bubbles that grow together and gather under his chin, then drop – splash – onto the table below.

Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots. First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask Paulus if he would like one. He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up. What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home. I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse. It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12. “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.”” I finish the tying and gently pat the knot. “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me. I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus. It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear. There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee. We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

Anita gets a kitchen towel and first blots Paulus’s head. Then she lays it on the pools of sweat that have formed on the table in front of him and, in one big swipe, folds the towel over and cleans it away.

No one could have predicted that this encounter would take place. And if Greta Van Susteren had not been there, I would not have gone inside.

A few days later Paulus is arrested and questioned by Aruban police after they say he changed his story about what time he picked up Joran on the night Natalee disappeared.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 02, 2010, 10:56:56 AM

THE SEIZURES

According to Joran van der Sloot

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?"

Patrick: What did you do then?

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody.

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran.

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking,

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is?

Joran: I don't know.

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth?

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...

According to Beth Holloway

CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html

On the Record w/ Greta - February 07, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN,HOST: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html

According to Jug Twitty

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

According to Gerold Dompig

48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006

Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml

yw - bbl

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 03, 2010, 12:52:21 PM

On the Record w/ Greta - March 21, 2006

BETH TWITTY: I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188645,00.html

Nancy Grace - February 23, 2006

BETH TWITTY: I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you -- a sound bite earlier, and he does -- when he tells one lie, more evolve. And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/ng.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2010, 02:51:18 PM

VAN DER SLOOT: SEX SLAVE GANG PROBED BY THAI COPS

Quote from: nonesuche on July 06, 2010, 01:27:12 PM

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http://www.nationalenquirer.com/van_der_sloot_thai_sex_slave_probe_natalee_holloway/celebrity/68941

When you think of the special privileges afforded Joran van der Sloot at all the Aruban casinos and clubs ...

1. Could it be that Joran, the Kalpoes and the sons of the elite who were detained as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case were all participants in the activities that fed Aruba's underground economy ... Aruba's underground economy that encompasses pornography, sex trade, gambling drugs, drugs and alcohol?

2. Could it be that Joran's training in Aruba was a stepping stone to his involvement in the sex trade in Thailand?

3. Could the far reaching implication of the exposed truth imply that Joran will continue to be protected and ... the eventual return to Aruba from Peru is a given?

Have a good day all.

Later, Janet
11:50 AM PT

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Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

To your question with whom I regularly go to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I regularly go there with "Freddy ZEDAN" and "Jaime CARASQUIA". Freddy is a Venezuelan and Jaime is a Columbian. The boy named "Koen GOTENBOS" also regularly goes out with us. The names of my three friends are in the memory of my mobile phone. Freddy is under the name "Fefi" and Koen under the name "Cul".

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 24, 2005

The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja.

____

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 06, 2010, 04:13:23 PM

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - PREVIOUS SEXUAL ASSAULTS?

1. DENIAL

I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE HIM - Greta Van Sustern

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 3
Monday, March 06, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl ...

VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... or something — never?

VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, you can talk to any girl I've ever been with, and they can say I always treated them in the right way. I mean, I never laid a finger on a girl without her wanting to. I've never done anything like that before ever with any girl.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html

I BELIEVE IN HIM SO - Anita van der Sloot

On the Record w/ Greta - June 23, 2005
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: … He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong. And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ... I believe in him 200 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

2. CONTRADICTIONS

Hannity&Colmes - April 11, 2006

BETH TWITTY: Well, those young girls... Those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.

The Abrams Report' - February 27, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward. We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/

Diario - August 23, 2005
More Alleged Victims Come Forward against Joran

ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Last night on The O’Reilly Factor of Fox one could hear how the parents of an American girl (today 18 years old) who was a girlfriend of Joran three years ago and this family is convinced that Joran van der Sloot is innocent in the case of the disappearance of Natalee. It was mentioned that the youngsters met each other at a pool of a hotel where the family would have had a Timeshare, how Joran visited the family in the states and how he had contact with the girl via E-mail until recently.

This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/23/diario-more-alleged-victims-come-forward-against-joran/

'Scarborough Country' - August 23, 2005

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: … Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp15.html

On the Record w/ Greta - August 30, 2005
Kalpoe Brothers Re-Arrested

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?

TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?

LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

FOX News - September 01, 2005
Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

'Scarborough Country' - August 29, 2005

DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around. And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

yw

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 07, 2010, 01:30:04 AM

ANOTHER CONFESSION

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And tell me what happened.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Then I got out, steppe out of the car. She was with me, went to the beach with her. And we just were making out. We never did anything else. And then -- at first, I didn't see anyone there, you know, anything. And I'm almost, like, OK. Whatever. You know, it's not going to happen. Then I saw a guy and he came, and he just handed me a bag, grabbed the girl by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did Natalee say?

VAN DER SLOOT: She said nothing, nothing until she was on the boat. And then she was, like, Hey, you know, what's going on? You're not coming with me, or -- I don't know. She wasn't -- wasn't panicking or anything. And then (INAUDIBLE) on the boat and the boat went away, I still heard, like, you know, What's going on? I think she was pretty drunk. That's what the main thing was.

VAN SUSTEREN: But she didn't struggle with this guy to go to the boat?

VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-uh.

VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't you think that was odd?

VAN DER SLOOT: No because I said we were going to go on a boat.

VAN SUSTEREN: You told her that.

VAN DER SLOOT: Uh-huh. That's my story to go to the beach, that we were going to go on a boat.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did the guy give you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They gave me a bag of money.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ten thousand dollars?

VAN DER SLOOT: Wasn't even $10,000. It was less (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: How much short?

VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, a couple hundred short. Probably took it for himself. I don't know.

MORE:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he told his father Paulus that he sold Natalee Holloway to a man in Aruba. Joran says he recorded conversations between his father an him that refer to this sale and could possibly corroborate what he told us on tape.

In a moment you will hear one of those recordings that Joran says took place early in 2008. Now, we have repeatedly reached out to Joran's van der Sloot's father Paulus, but he has refused to respond.

We cannot verify whether if the voices on the tape are Joran and his father. The prosecutor in Aruba could do this with his subpoena power. And note, Joran says this is his father on the recording.

We had two different experts analyze if the recording was altered. One expert is confident it is not altered, while the other expert has concerns that the recording may have been modified. Here it is.

BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Hi, dad, how are you?

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: I'm all right, you?

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I'm sort of fed up. I can't stand it any longer.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, hang in there a bit longer. You must keep tough.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I just want it to be over. I don't care what will happen to me.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: I understand, but too much has happened. You have to be strong.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I do my best, but I really don't know. I feel rotten.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, you have no choice.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I can come forward and end this.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Yeah, not a good idea, I think. You have to think about us too.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I will do that, but if they find the girl, there is at least proof I didn't hurt anybody.

P. VAN DER SLOOT: But what you have done is pretty bad. Human trafficking is a serious crime.

J. VAN DER SLOOT: I know, but how could I know where all this would lead to?

P. VAN DER SLOOT: Joran, it's a shame you made certain choices, but there has to be a moment it will stop. Okay? You cannot talk with anyone about this, do you understand?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORE:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 13, 2010, 05:51:35 PM

PG on factual investigation Holloway: ‘No evidence of negative role Van der Straten’
10 Jul, 2010, 08:16 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — No evidence was found that the alleged relationship between former corps chief Jan van der Straten and the Van der Sloot-family played a negative role in the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Attorney General (PG), Rob Pietersz announced this yesterday afternoon.

Statements from former Minister of Justice Rudy Croes (MEP) at the end of 2008 were reason for the Public Prosecutor (OM) to start a factual inquiry into the initial phase of the investigation regarding the disappearance of Holloway. According to Croes, Van der Straten had supposedly consciously hindered the investigation during the crucial initial phase. “However, the statements from Croes could not be proven,” says Solicitor General Taco Stein before the Amigoe“, nor did there appear to be a relationship between Van der Straten and Van der Sloot.”

In a reply to this newspaper, former commissioner Jan van der Straten states he is ‘very happy’ with the report’s conclusions. “My family and I are seriously prejudiced by Croes’ statements and the subsequent news coverage in the media. My good name is smirched.” For that matter, he emphasizes the grief, which his family was subjected to, pales into insignificance in comparison with the grief of the Holloway-family. By his own account, as a direct involved party Van der Straten was already informed earlier by the OM on the conclusions of the factual investigation. Whether the former corps chief was also informed on the contents of the entire report, he did not wish to say. “That was agreed upon with the Public Prosecutor. I am not going to elaborate on the contents at all.” Solicitor General Stein states that Van der Straten ‘knows a little more’ about the contents of the final report, but was not given inspection of such.

At the onset of the factual investigation, it was announced the results of such would be made public in main lines after the completion of this investigation. In February of this year it was announced that the final report of the National Criminal Investigation Department was with the OM. Attorney General Pietersz, who opened the factual investigation at the beginning of 2009, had not wanted to respond at that time ‘because the report was to be discussed internally first’. With the recent announcement, this case is finished as far as the OM is concerned. “We see no reason to continue such”.

Joran
The Holloway-case recently received considerable attention again due to the apprehension of Joran van der Sloot in Peru. The 22-year old is in custody there on suspicion of the robbery with murder of Stephany Flores on May 31st. Remarkably enough, the murder of Flores was committed exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Holloway had disappeared in 2005 after spending an evening in nightclub Carlos and Charlies. Joran was the last person who had seen her. He is still the main suspect in this case.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75113.php

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2010, 07:13:51 PM

THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Beth Holloway Twitty - Mother of Natalee Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

Noraina Pietersz - Attorneys for the Security Guards

Mother says she thinks 3 men know what happened to teen
Twitty says authoritiesshould apply pressure
updated 6/12/2005 11:05:02 PM ET

Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn’t enough evidence to continue holding them.

“This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,” said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. “The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don’t have.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169252/

yw

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2010, 07:34:58 PM

THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Mickey John - Detained Security Guard

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: So what happened? Were you home and the police suddenly showed up?

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: Yes, I was home sleeping around 6:20 (INAUDIBLE) morning. (INAUDIBLE) showed up, bust the (INAUDIBLE) I heard said, "You're under arrest." Nobody read my rights, nobody said nothing. All this commotion the police said to me that, "You cooperating, we cooperate with. You're under arrest. That's it, let's go."

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the first thing they did when you got to the police station? They put you in a cell, or they talk to you?

JOHN: No, they talked to me. Put me sit down, maybe handcuff (INAUDIBLE) after the guy say, "You know why you're here. You're for the missing girls. And now we're going to read your rights to you and you will sign it"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

Karen Janssen - Aruban Prosecutor

In Aruba mystery, more questions than answers
Authorities' handling of case of missing American teen under scrutiny
updated 6/26/2005 7:49:23 AM ET

Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.

“You have to build up an investigation. You can’t just go in there like a cowboy,” Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8362818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts//

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2010, 02:11:06 PM

3. THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Strong Suspicion?

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers. According to Aruba law, only strong suspicion — not evidence — is necessary to continue holding a suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, MICKEY JOHN`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. He was actually that night visiting the Holiday Inn, to make that clear. He didn`t work that night. It was not his shift, but he was visiting.

And according to his statement, he left the Holiday Inn around 12:00 p.m. And after that, he went straight home. He might have stopped somewhere nearby his house, but further than that, he didn`t do anything else than go home. ….

The problem is, he has nobody to verify it because his mother was at home. She was sleeping. And like she said, he`s a grown-up man. She doesn`t really control and check on the time he gets home. So he doesn`t have somebody that can say, Oh, yes, he was home at such time. That`s the only thing. But the fact is that he was not at the Holiday Inn. He was never seen at that time during the disappearance at the Holiday Inn. He was not working. He didn`t have a uniform, so it could never be him, the man that these two now suspects are talking about.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

Abraham Jones’ Attorney

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: My client`s alibi he is that went to a soul music festival at another beach far away from the Holiday Inn hotel. He was there with his wife, with his friend, and he saw many friends there. They were together when he went home, and they spent the night together at home. The next morning, he woke up and went to work at around 7:00 o`clock in the morning, a very believable and confirmed alibi.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

The Aruban Prosecutor

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 5, 2005
Suspects Charged In Aruba Case
Authorities Arrest Two Men In Disappearance Of Alabama Teen

The men - ages 28 and 30 - were arrested Sunday morning at two separate homes in the southeastern community of San Nicolas, Attorney General Caren Janssen told reporters at news conference in the capital.

Janssen declined to provide the specific charges, saying the case will go before a local judge within 48 hours to determine whether they can be legally held.

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said, without providing details. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/04/national/main699667.shtml

Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

'Scarborough Country' for June 14
updated 6/15/2005 2:46:22 PM ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, ATTORNEY FOR MICKEY JOHN: You know, I have heard a lot of rumors about some strategic plan or something like that. I don‘t want to believe so, because, even according to the Aruban law, it is not allowed to take in an innocent person as a suspect, whereas you might have some other suspect walking out there. And that was the case with my client. Three—three people were heard as witnesses. They were witnesses from the beginning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8231452/

BOTTOM LINE

Mother of Natalee Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

yw bbl

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2010, 02:12:34 PM

3. THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Strong Suspicion?

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers. According to Aruba law, only strong suspicion — not evidence — is necessary to continue holding a suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, MICKEY JOHN`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. He was actually that night visiting the Holiday Inn, to make that clear. He didn`t work that night. It was not his shift, but he was visiting.

And according to his statement, he left the Holiday Inn around 12:00 p.m. And after that, he went straight home. He might have stopped somewhere nearby his house, but further than that, he didn`t do anything else than go home. ….

The problem is, he has nobody to verify it because his mother was at home. She was sleeping. And like she said, he`s a grown-up man. She doesn`t really control and check on the time he gets home. So he doesn`t have somebody that can say, Oh, yes, he was home at such time. That`s the only thing. But the fact is that he was not at the Holiday Inn. He was never seen at that time during the disappearance at the Holiday Inn. He was not working. He didn`t have a uniform, so it could never be him, the man that these two now suspects are talking about.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

Abraham Jones’ Attorney

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: My client`s alibi he is that went to a soul music festival at another beach far away from the Holiday Inn hotel. He was there with his wife, with his friend, and he saw many friends there. They were together when he went home, and they spent the night together at home. The next morning, he woke up and went to work at around 7:00 o`clock in the morning, a very believable and confirmed alibi.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

The Aruban Prosecutor

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 5, 2005
Suspects Charged In Aruba Case
Authorities Arrest Two Men In Disappearance Of Alabama Teen

The men - ages 28 and 30 - were arrested Sunday morning at two separate homes in the southeastern community of San Nicolas, Attorney General Caren Janssen told reporters at news conference in the capital.

Janssen declined to provide the specific charges, saying the case will go before a local judge within 48 hours to determine whether they can be legally held.

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said, without providing details. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/04/national/main699667.shtml

Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

'Scarborough Country' for June 14
updated 6/15/2005 2:46:22 PM ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, ATTORNEY FOR MICKEY JOHN: You know, I have heard a lot of rumors about some strategic plan or something like that. I don‘t want to believe so, because, even according to the Aruban law, it is not allowed to take in an innocent person as a suspect, whereas you might have some other suspect walking out there. And that was the case with my client. Three—three people were heard as witnesses. They were witnesses from the beginning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8231452/

BOTTOM LINE

Mother of Natalee Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

yw bbl

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2010, 07:27:58 PM

3. THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Strong Suspicion?

According to Aruban Law ... arrest of a suspect requires "strong" suspicion. What "stong" suspicion did ALE possess to warrant the arrests of the security guards in the Natalee Holloway case.
_____

Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers. According to Aruba law, only strong suspicion — not evidence — is necessary to continue holding a suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

Why was Mickey John targeted? Could it be that the motive was an attempt to pacify Americans by creating a diversion from the suspicion that was cast on Joran van der Sloot?
_____

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, MICKEY JOHN`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The fact is that he was not at the Holiday Inn. He was never seen at that time during the disappearance at the Holiday Inn. He was not working. He didn`t have a uniform, so it could never be him, the man that these two now suspects are talking about.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

Abraham Jones’ Attorney

Why was Abraham Jones targeted? Could it be that the motive was an attempt to pacify Americans who were beginning to suspect a coverup was taking place within the Natalee Holloway investigation?
_____

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: My client`s alibi he is that went to a soul music festival at another beach far away from the Holiday Inn hotel. He was there with his wife, with his friend, and he saw many friends there. They were together when he went home, and they spent the night together at home. The next morning, he woke up and went to work at around 7:00 o`clock in the morning, a very believable and confirmed alibi.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html

The Aruban Prosecutor

What foundation did Karin Janssen draw from that warranted the arrest of the security guards on suspicion of first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping?
_____

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 5, 2005
Suspects Charged In Aruba Case
Authorities Arrest Two Men In Disappearance Of Alabama Teen

The men - ages 28 and 30 - were arrested Sunday morning at two separate homes in the southeastern community of San Nicolas, Attorney General Caren Janssen told reporters at news conference in the capital.

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said, without providing details. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/04/national/main699667.shtml

Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

The spokesperson for the Aruban Government implied that a "strategy" was behind the motive now to arresst Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe sooner. The implication is that the security guards were used as unwitting pawns in that "strategy".
_____

ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Mickey John's Attorney

Mickey John's attorney claims that the arrest of the security guards for strategic purposes does not conform with Aruban law.
_____

'Scarborough Country' for June 14
updated 6/15/2005 2:46:22 PM ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, ATTORNEY FOR MICKEY JOHN: You know, I have heard a lot of rumors about some strategic plan or something like that. I don‘t want to believe so, because, even according to the Aruban law, it is not allowed to take in an innocent person as a suspect, whereas you might have some other suspect walking out there. And that was the case with my client. Three—three people were heard as witnesses. They were witnesses from the beginning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8231452/

Mother of Natalee Holloway

Bottom Line! Aruban authorities knew prior to the arrest of the security guards that Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe were lying about returning Natalee Holloway to the Holliday Inn.
______

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

The revealed lie regarding Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe returning Natalee to the Holiday Inn should have negates the account regarding the observation of the security guards. Why were the security guards detained?
_____

ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2010, 07:35:32 PM

Monday, September 19, 2005

Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3

To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards

Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake

Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005

ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.
He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.

[translated by Getagrip]

// posted by Getagrip @ 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_09_18_getagripmonkey_archive.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 12:10:27 PM

A Stepfather's Desperation - June 7, 2005

Jug Twitty: I hope, I pray to God that she walks through that door or that we find her somewhere. I don`t care if she`s, you know, in a crack house somewhere and she`s been drugged up for, you know, seven days or whatever. We can work with that. We can fix her. We can do whatever to get her back.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/07/ng.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 01:51:40 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 01:48:26 PM

Quote from: Buckeye on July 31, 2010, 09:03:25 AM

Update to the latest "Slander Natalee" film by Paul Ruven:

Please recall that when Renee Gielen created her crockumentary, there was a list of credits. The list was as follows:

Dolph van Stapele
Peter Ranzijn
Michel Drenthe
Suzanne Jansen

On Ruven's website, film credits are posted as follows:

Producent is Talent United; distributeur is BFD. De film is ontwikkeld met de artistiek intendant van het Nederlands Fonds voor de Film, Jan Eilander. De film gaat begin 2011 in premiere. Inlichtingen: info@talentunited.nl

scenario: Marian Batavier & Paul Ruven

camera: Joost van Herwijnen

gedelegeerd producent: Jean-Pierre Claes

line producer: Michel Drenthe

http://www.paulruven.nl/37,De-Hoog-&-Verboom-in-film-over-Joran.html

::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .

“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”

VIDEO TAPE

So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.

The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.

Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.

That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.

MEDPLANE

They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.

SECRET EXIT

The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.

Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.

Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”

She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.

TELEPHONE CALL

The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.

When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.

But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.

ALBERTO G.

Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.

JORAN

If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .

Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”

In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.

ENORMOUS PRESSURE

Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”

STEPFATHER

Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”

But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.

It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.

The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.

NOT ON FBI LIST

The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: Pita on June 07, 2008, 01:04:16 AM

Posted by Debbie, BFN

Opening trailer for Renee Gielen's documentary: (audio)
http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_holloway_docu_20080530_44_1kHz.mp3

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2890.msg387591#msg387591

Quote from: Buckeye on May 01, 2008, 12:36:24 AM

Posted by Debbie at BFN:

This afternoon Dave was interviewed by Renee Gielen for her documentary. He agreed to the interview to set the record straight.

The meeting went well and Dave pretty much countered all the "disinformation" that has been put out there.

They talked about the investigation, the boycott, the "rehab story" and many others issues.

Dave talked to her about Natalee, her personality, her visits and what a wonderful young lady she was.

As far as the investigation, he stated, as he always has, that he felt that certain person stood in the way of resolution... one being Dennis Jacobs.

They also talked about the cab driver / blue eyed blond dutch boy story... about how could the cab driver remember who he had in in cab when, how he did not come forward with the "story" until many days later. He asked Renee to describe her waiter from a restaurant she ate ate the day before... knowing that you do not pay attention or remember these things.

She asked about the Foundations and their purpose which he explained, which we already know.

She also asked him about the birthmark, rehab , Beth's arrival on Aruba, the medjet.... see a pattern forming here?

Dave did comment that Renee was very nice during the interview.

Robin has also promised to tell us more about the interview when she hears all about it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg378329#msg378329

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 02:03:49 PM

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY

Anita van der Sloot

Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008

(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is. And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us. I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

Rudy Croes

Amigoe - January 17, 2008

ORANJESTAD — (Rudy) Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 02:18:58 PM

Renee Gielen interviews Anita van der Sloot

Quote from: texasmom on June 20, 2010, 12:57:48 PM

GBMW posted at RU

Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008

Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008

Text by Renee Gielen

Photo by Julia Renfro (scanned by Black-Tulip; thanks!)

On May, 30 2005 the 18 year old Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba. Joran van der Sloot is still considered a suspect. His mother Anita has recently tried to close this disruptive period in her life with an exposition.

(http://i38.tinypic.com/302cojl.jpg)

Anita, how did the affair of Holloway change your life?

‘From a professor who is intensely involved with students and from a mother who is intensely involved with her children, you’re suddenly the mother of a boy who is a suspect in a case concerning the disappearance of a girl. Who is a suspect of kidnapping, of rape, murder. This has a huge impact. It has hurt me in the depth of my soul. I’ve been especially angry with the approach of the media and how the reports were all one sided. Not being able to function as a regular family, the lies that have been spread about us. That has caused the most hurt, combined with Jorans’ behaviour. I was angry with him for lying. You see very often people drift apart when something awful happens in their lives, but Paul & I only became closer. We were already strong as a family, did a lot of things together, but we only came out stronger. We talk a lot with the children, express emotions much quicker.’

How is your relationship with Joran? Has it changed since May 2005?

Anita hesitates for a moment, and says then: 'Not really. I’m his mother and he is my son. Now and then I feel so much love for him, and now and then I want to kick his behind. Like: hey kid, why do you say that, and why do you do that? People see Joran like he was portrayed in the media. Of course, everyone gets a kick out of the negative things that are extricated. But I see how he kisses his grandmother and holds her hand for half an hour and runs his fingers through her hair. I see the Joran who makes me a cup of coffee, who comes to check in with me regularly when I’m sick: how are you, mum? Those are two different Jorans.

To me Joran is more important as a son, grandson and brother than as the Joran that is portrayed in the media. Joran was also just a regular 17 year old who went to school, got good grades, had nice girlfriends who came over, whose parents I knew, had nice friends, went out like any other 17 year old. Occasionally he did things that made you go: is that really necessary? But no more than other kids his age.

What the media has done with that is just bizarre. They’ve created some kind of monster. It’s got nothing to do with reality. And that has only gotten worse, because this case attracts really weird people. When this case is solved they will leave him alone probably, but he will always remain that kid ‘who was involved with’, the kid who lied, that will continue to haunt him for the rest of his live. And I’m also ‘the mother of’. I’m not the one who’s teaching, not the artist, no, I’m ‘the mother of’.’

Has there been a moment where you doubted Joran?

‘I’ve never thought Joran was a rapist or a murderer. But I have thought for a moment that possibly an accident might have happened, that he might have been afraid to tell? I know he lied because he was afraid he wouldn’t have a graduation party. That he didn’t want his girlfriend to know he went out that night. But if he really had something on his bad record; he would have told me, that kind of trust was there.’

How was it to literally deal with world press?

‘I thought it was bizarre. People are making tent camps around your walls all of a sudden. American media are very bold. We’ve tried to continue our lives as best as possible. I thought it was unpleasant for the children and for their friends when they came over to play. At a certain point we sent our children on a holiday, to friends, to release them from the forceful media.

We really wanted to show ourselves. We’ve always kept the door open for people that had good intentions, we had & have nothing to hide, and then all those stories that start their own life….you can’t stop that.

In the beginning, when that mother (of Natalee Holloway, ed) came here with a large group of friends, we were addressed with quite some aggression. Her behaviour, the conduct of that group… We wanted to talk to those parents, eventually we did. We’ve invited them later on, but we never got a reply. A year ago we wanted to talk to the mother when she was here. She just didn’t want to.’

How did you manage?

‘We just went on with our lives. It happened during summer break, which was nice in a way because I had more time to myself because of that. When the schools started again in August, I just went back to work and the kids went back to school. Paul moved on quickly as well. Working as a teacher is important, I can put a lot of energy in that. And we do our regular things. I do my groceries, I work in the garden, clean my house. Because I teach fulltime, I don’t have a lot of time to sculpture, but this whole mess gave me a lot of sleepless nights. And it still does. Every person would be afraid and tense in these kind of situations. You lose the grip on your life. You’re life is out there, put under a magnifying glass. Nobody can understand what’s it’s like to live in such a situation. Being creative gave me a way to express the negative emotions I felt. I started with a book, some kind of sketching book, in which I work daily. It helped to draw, to write, to paint. I love the combination of those disciplines, making collages, painting, writing… And this exhibition is also a reflection of that process. Here you see about 50 to 60 % of what I’ve made in the last two years. I think every person reaches out to something that gives them some kind of peace. To me that peace came from painting and working with collages. The anger ebbed away, the hurt diminished a bit, so it did help. But if this hadn’t happened this would have been a completely different exhibition. In the exhibition I’m working on right now I want to focus on the authentic Aruban culture. I notice that Aruba is ‘Americanising’. I find that’s such a shame. I’m going to do something with that. I’ve had that plan before, this came kind of in between.’

What I notice in all of your paintings are religious symbols, praying hands, crosses…

‘They are the universal symbols of faith, hope and having trust. I felt that very clearly the last 3 years. That you’re looking for symbols and what they stand for. I did that through painting and combined those symbols. It wasn’t only the painting that gave me some peace. We have let go. Joran has to live his own life. He has to find his own path in what has happened. Of course you offer help as parents, but at a certain point you say: he’s almost 21, he has to go on. We need to go on. You kind of distance yourself. You take a step back. Sometimes it’s like I’m watching a movie. Ok, this has happened to us, but I don’t want a big part in it anymore. Because of that I find this interview very difficult as well. But I do want to do it, to close things, just like with this exhibition.

With that I also feel I’ve closed a heavy 3 years. I don’t know what might lie ahead for us in the future, but I do know I’ll be able to deal with it better. Without wanting to be arrogant, I do have the idea that I’m rising above certain situations and television programmes.’

Looking back, what would you have done differently?

‘I think we would have approached someone who could have helped us concerning the media. At a certain point we made the decision to do some interviews. Only a few, a deliberate choice. Looking back, I wouldn’t have worked with the American media. Talking in another language gives you limitations, you notice that the essence of words can change.’

Do you ever think about the fact that Joran might be arrested again for involvement in this case?

‘Yes, I do think about that. Of course Joran was arrested again this last winter, in the end it turned out to be for no reason at all. I haven’t seen the show itself, but I did see everything, every tape, and then it does come across quite differently. Not less bad, but it did become clear what De Vries & Van der Eem have done to provoke Joran into making statements. If you see every tape with hours of conversations and boasting of especially Van der Eem, it becomes quite clear what they tried to do. It’s not about the truth, it’s about ratings and a lot of money. Every recording is taking out of its context, there has been cutted & pasted. What do you mean: ‘shock damage’? (Anita is referring to the fact that the mother of Natalee Holloway wanted to sue Joran for ‘shock damage’, but no subpoena in this process has been received yet. RG). It has shocked me severely that these kind of things happen in the Netherlands and to a certain point is approved by justice. But what can I do? There are forces & powers going on that are stronger than we could ever be, we’ll have to learn to live with that. It’s about an American girl that disappeared on Aruba, an island that is mainly depended on American tourism, with a Dutch suspect. It’s about economical & political interests. The stepfather of the girl has threatened from the beginning that his fingers reach to the White House. The mother has said she will destroy our family life. This case must be solved of course, we all want that. I still hope that the group of people that is still working on the case will look further, to keep options open that other people might be involved in this, that they will look in America. Around 100 students are walking around there of which 15 of them knew that girl and were more involved, plus the so called ‘chaperones’ who escorted the kids during their trip, I know & hear very little about them. I keep finding that a bizarre story. I would really like that to be explored in depth.’

How do you see your relationship with Joran in the future?

‘Joran has to finish his school. If he doesn’t do that, he’ll have to deal with me and his father. He was suppose to go to college in America in 2005. He had a scholarship for an American university and was suppose to play soccer & tennis for that university, he was really looking forward to that. (silence) And of course, that has all been swept away because of all this. That still hurts, I recently talked to him about it. But he still has a chance to finish a study. And he’s smart enough to study as well. He's clever, it’s up to him to use that intelligence. Other than that, there isn’t much more you can do as a parent than giving good advice & counsel. That’s it, you can’t hold his hand any longer. You can’t lock him up. (voice is getting lower and lower) I wouldn’t want that either. He’s been locked long enough. He knows this is one of his last chances. And I do blame the people that keep lingering about the case. It’s almost impossible for him to move on, to build a future. I think they need to let go of such a kid at a certain time. I hope he’ll find his peace in about 5 or 10 years. That he can live a reasonable normal life. I never would have thought that my life would be like this 3 years ago, but there is more peace now and I hope we will be able to persevere that. And furthermore the people that are involved in this case should do their own thing. I don’t have any influence on that. None.’

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 06:12:43 PM

IT'S DEVASTATING!

Karin Janssen - January 25, 2006

The case's prosecutor has reported that there could be “some fireworks” at the end of the month, Holloway said, but the official did not indicate why.

http://www.meridianstar.com/articles/2006/01/26/local_news/news_stories/a1-holloawy.txt

Gerold Dompig - June 4, 2005

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html

Jan Vander Straaten - June 5, 2005

"We hope she's alive," police commissioner Jan van der Straaten said. "Everyday I see the light at the end of the tunnel."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html

Beth Holloway - January 29, 2006

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2010, 05:23:25 PM

No Doubts ... June 24, 2005

Beth Twitty: I think I have made it clear that I have some pretty strong feelings, from the moment I arrived on this island, 11:00 p.m. on May the 30th. In addition to that, May 31st, in the early morning hours between 1:00 and 4:00 a.m., I had even stronger feelings.

I know — I know — he has some information. It was confirmed to me during that visit at his home.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160612,00.html

Considering lies are created to cover the truth ... Beth Holloway had not doubts from the getgo that deception was where it was at regarding what happened to her precious daughter.

++++++

THE LIES

May 30, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 30: The students say Natalee got into a silver or gray Honda with a young man who had befriended some of her classmates. One of Jug’s nephews, Thomas, says he actually met the guy Natalee was seen leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with. Thomas says this young man’s name is “Gerran or Juran or something like that.” The last information communicated from the students before they board their plane is that this Joran guy is a tourist from Holland. And he is staying at the Holiday Inn

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies. "He lives in Aruba." I stutter. "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says. It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here.

May 31, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 45: At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot. He has his cell phone in his hand. The police ask to see Joran. Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is. He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 48: Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham. It’s about three o’clock in the morning. It’s a school night. They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino. They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts. I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on. Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121: And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2010, 05:32:48 PM

Poochy
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #1106 on: Today at 12:05:47 AM »

natalee holloway 'a different story' part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb4XwnKV1q4&feature=related

natalee holloway 'a different story' part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOtbxk9JDw&feature=related

http://goldmonkey.org/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 16, 2010, 12:29:00 PM

When you think of the special privileges afforded Joran van der Sloot at all the Aruban casinos and clubs ...

Could it be that Joran, the Kalpoes and the sons of the elite who were detained as suspects in the Natalee Holloway case were all participants in the activities that fed Aruba's underground economy ... Aruba's underground economy that encompasses pornography, sex trade, drugs, alcohol as well as gambling?

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The Underground Economy?

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010
Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man

Before Joran van der Sloot became one of the most famous murder suspects in the world, Matthew Biebel nearly threw a punch at him during a poker game.

"You could tell he was a punk," Biebel says, recalling his encounter with Van der Sloot in Aruba on May 30, 2005 - the last day Natalee Holloway was seen alive.

Five years to the day later, a young woman named Stephany Flores Ramirez was found murdered in Van der Sloot's hotel room in Peru. The baby-faced suspect with the dyed buzz cut and dead eyes awaits trial in that case.

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. About a week after Biebel got back from vacation, three cars pulled up unannounced at his Mullica Hill home, disgorging a quartet of FBI agents who proceeded to interview him ("they were professional") for an hour.

"They wanted to know what the fight was about," Biebel says. "They thought that maybe we had had a disagreement about something other than poker.

"They wanted to know what his demeanor was like. They wanted to know if he was disheveled, and I said he looked like any other poker player - cool, calm, and collected."

A 55-year-old Inquirer driver and father of two grown sons, Biebel was in Aruba with a friend. That same weekend, Holloway, 18, was seen at a bar with Van der Sloot; she missed her return flight to the United States, and her body has not been found.

(Although questioned extensively in that case, Van der Sloot was not charged; he later retracted incriminating statements he had made on video and to a TV reporter. Peruvian police say he has confessed to killing Ramirez.)

Van der Sloot shared a poker table with Biebel and his friend May 29 and 30. Although house rules require that English be spoken during games, Van der Sloot frequently chatted with other players in a local language called Papiamento, Biebel says.

"I let it go, but finally there was a pot that was just me and him, and he did it again. I called over the guy who manages the poker room, and I told him that he was breaking the rules. He was told to stop, and he did.

"The next night, the stakes were higher, and I was in a hand with him, and he started doing it again, when he was deciding whether to call my bet. And my bet was a substantial bet.

"For all I knew, he was asking the other players what they folded. He said something smart back to me. . . . I honestly don't remember what it was, but it was not good.

"That's when it almost got physical. I stood up and basically put my finger in his face."

"If the [casino official] hadn't been at the next table, I would have hit him. Because now not only was he cheating, he was being a smart-ass.

"I told him they'd better do something about this - I wasn't going to lose this hand, and I didn't - and that's kind of where it stopped.

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

Biebel's friend, who asks not to be identified to protect her privacy, says there was nothing remarkable about Van der Sloot.

"He was a nice-looking guy who seemed normal enough," she recalls. "He seemed to know everybody there."

While Van der Sloot "was very friendly to everybody," Biebel says, "he was definitely a punk."

He shared this impression with the FBI; he also told agents that he found it hard to believe Van der Sloot had been involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"The timeline didn't work for me," Biebel says. "How cold-blooded could somebody be to do something like that and come in and play poker that night and the next day?"

"I just didn't think that was possible. How do you kill somebody and then come in and play poker?

"He was a punk, yeah. But a killer? No."

That was 2005. Since the Peru slaying, "obviously, now I believe he killed Natalee Holloway," Biebel says.

As for what he calls his "up close" encounter with Van der Sloot, "it's scarier for me to think about it now," Biebel adds.

"Then, I didn't know what I was dealing with."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:09:13 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:01:55 PM

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

A Catastrophic Blow!

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees
Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)

Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:03:07 PM

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

It's named Katrina!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179 - Excited with the news that now all three suspects are in custody, friends Hal and Phillip accompany Jug and me back to Aruba after the auction. As we leave the mainland, a big hurricane is moving toward the United States. It's named Katrina. And our flight plan is altered to get around the storm.

Page 183 - Settling in for the night, we see and hear the first reports about the hurricane. It hits hard in Louisiana. Mississipi and Alabama are also affected. We all have loved ones at home in these states. The early reports of the devastation are unbelievable. News reporters are saying the death toll could exceed that of 9/11. Our hearts ache for the people of New Orleans. Reports are telling us that this is the hardest-hit city. But visuals are not come out yet of the most damaged areas. Reporters can't even get to those. We stand down from all our scheduled interviews and desperately await information on the aftermath of the giant hurricane.

FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this. She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says. Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling. I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul. None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor. But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true. So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free. And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights. It has been ninety-five. And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over. Tears fall hard. "I'm done, Helen. I'm done. No justice for Natalee in Aruba. I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened. "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1. And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days. But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there." The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:11:31 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:06:28 PM

FLASHBACK - Hurricane Katrina
The Open Door

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142: Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 01:02:47 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 12:54:17 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 06:36:12 PM

Quote from: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 05:53:31 PM

Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released. If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies. It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison.

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer. If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.

Klaas

I didn't think Joran and his big mouth would have lasted five years and ... I was wrong. To avoid possible exposure ... I was positive those in the Aruba/Dutch administrations ... those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice form prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... would have permanently silenced this guy by now ... silenced this guy prior to bringing them all down.

Janet

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Why has Joran van der Sloot not been permanently silenced by those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway? Joran's inability to remain quiet implies it is only a matter of time before he brings them all down.

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Police Officers?

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Higher Ups?

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f*** is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers

Paulus van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 01:04:13 PM

Why has Joran van der Sloot not been permanently silenced by those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway? Joran's inability to remain quiet implies it is only a matter of time before he brings them all down.

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Police Officers?

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Higher Ups?

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f*** is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers

Paulus van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 12:40:32 PM

It was and is imperative that Joran van der Sloot was not implicated in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The backlash would be that the Excelsior Casino as well as Carlos and Charlies Nightclub would be faced with a huge civil suits by the family of Natalee Holloway.

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Excelsior Casino

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

Carlos and Charlies

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

Excelsior Casino

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies. "He lives in Aruba." I stutter. "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here.

Carlos and Charlies

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: ... And then I asked her, What do you want to drink? And she's, like, Whatever. So she said, yes (INAUDIBLE) What do you suggest. And I said, Baccardi 151. That's a shot I normally take with my friends.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html

Carlos and Charlies

'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005

BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details. You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment. I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D. If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists.

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe. They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598

Above the Law?

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

DANA: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot. Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

JOSSY: No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months. I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 12:42:31 PM

The Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

BETH HOLLOWAY: What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I cannot. I cannot get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 12:43:36 PM

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 12:49:57 PM

Joran spending time in ANY prison ANYWHERE implies that other unsuspecting "Natalees and Stephanys" are not at risk.

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'Scarborough Country' for July 1
updated 7/6/2005 11:11:14 AM ET

GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: My worst nightmare, that these individuals will be let—will walk and we will still not have any answers.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC CORRESPONDENT: You think that is a possibility?

TWITTY: It's a possibility.

And that scares me, too, because these three kids are predators.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: You know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 12:54:06 PM

If Joran is released from Peruvian detainment ... the implication is that he will not be held accountable for his participation encompassing the deaths of both Natalee and Stephany. Murphy's Law implies the chances of this happening is very remote unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes by higher ups.

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Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says. Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling. I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul. None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor. But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true. So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free. And we are the last ones to find out.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 01:33:35 PM

Why has Joran van der Sloot not been permanently silenced by those who participated in the cover up agenda ... the cover up agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway? Joran's inability to keep a low profile implies it is only a matter of time before he brings them all down.

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Police Officers

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Higher Powers

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f--- is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers

Paulus van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

Michael Posner

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine." My mouth drops wide open. "Where is he from?" I ask her. She replies. "He lives in Aruba." I stutter. "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?" "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information. The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them. He isn't a tourist. He isn't staying here.

Michael Posner Upset over Excelsior casino Security Tapes to ABC
Posted February 25, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/

Carlos and Charlies' Owner/s

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I go to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

Above the Law?

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

DANA: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot. Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

JOSSY: No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months. I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 01:51:31 PM

Michael Posner (Continued)

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 9/20/2005 9:33:56 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2010, 11:44:05 AM

IT IS NOT EASY!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2010, 01:04:01 PM

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm | reporter: Ebony Hall posted by: Ebony Hall

Mountain Brook, AL - It was a story that made headlines across the globe. The search for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. The story that dominated the airwaves- also took over Beth Holloway's life. She is Natalee's mother, and five years later, she is still looking for answers and hoping Aruban prosecutors can close this case.

"I'm not sure if there is anything new, but they are processing all the leads and the tips that they have received."

Natalee is now presumed dead, but no one knows how she died or why.

"We've really tried to be so careful and not to speculate as to what happened an just stick with the known facts."

We do know that Natalee was last seen alive with Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot at Carlos n' Charlie's. Over the years, van der Sloot has told many stories of what happened that night. All the while Beth listened to each of these tales hoping to find a thread of truth.

"I think there was one where he said he sold her alive.I think there was another where he said she fell of a balcony in a swamp. I think now it's become so muddy for me that no my journey for justice is not ended."

It's been five years since Natalee disappeared. Legally, her family could now file for a death certificate in Alabama, but they have not thus far since Natalee disappeared abroad.

"We know that Natalee is no longer alive. I know we had talked about that earlier, few years ago,but it is not something that we have done yet."

Over the years, Beth and her family have learned how to deal with the pain of losing Natalee, but it is still an open wound. In March, a Pennsylvania couple thought they may have taken a picture of a body- maybe Natalee's body- on the ocean floor. News like that- always makes the family hopeful.

"You know I got caught up for a just- you get taken in. But as I said, there is a quicker recovery time where I am able to compartmentalize it and focus on what I can do..."

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth Holloway thought she knew exactly who she was more than five years ago.

"My life was defined with two children, a marriage, job and home. When a tragedy strikes, you lose everything."

During the Memorial Day weekend of 2005, Beth's life changed forever. With Natalee missing, she was now the mother of one- not two. She would later divorce her then husband Jug Twitty. So she was no longer a wife. Her life "definition" changed- and with it so did her life's purpose.

"I received the call that all mothers and fathers dread from the moment their children is born- that my daughter was missing."

So now her mission is to help others. Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8.

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

Beth says she had no idea who to contact in Aruba when Natalee went missing. She also knew nothing about the Dutch system of Justice or who was in charge. Out of her frustration a new global security and assistance company was born. It's called Mayday 360.

"When I present to these high school and college students, I could give them the personal safety and travel safety message, but I really felt like I couldn't equip them with a real tangible resource. And I feel with Mayday 360, I can because that is real time, real security assistance, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2010, 11:32:30 AM

THE CLOAK OF COVER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this. She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says. Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling. I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul. None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor. But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true. So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free. And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights. It has been ninety-five. And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over. Tears fall hard. "I'm done, Helen. I'm done. No justice for Natalee in Aruba. I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened. "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1. And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days. But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there." The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2010, 11:36:13 AM

FOUR DAYS PRIOR

Karin Janssen - Second Arrest - August, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html

ARUBAN ATTORNEYS

Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system. You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html

On the Record w/Greta - August 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.

It means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney

Associated Press- June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2010, 12:42:56 PM

JUNE, 2005

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Klaasend - Scared Monkeys

MAY 30, 2010

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2010, 12:45:48 PM

Satish marries?

it somehow it feels so wrong that Satish is afforded the special milestones of life when it is considered that he was a participant in denying Natalee her turning points. It does not seem right that life has moved on for Satish while Natalee parents remain in a perpetual H--- of not knowing ... a perpetual H--- that Satish has the ability of releasing them as well as redeeming himself in the process.

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Isaiah 55:8-9

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."

DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1: I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony. I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school. My pride would have enveloped us both. I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown. We would meet in the back of the church for her last moment as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you." I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire. At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband. But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.

IT IS NOT EASY!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 01:38:14 PM

Dave Holloway was was one with Beth regarding the perception of "a seedy, dangerous and corrupt Aruba" in regards to a travel boycott of the Island until justice prevailed for their daughter.

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Lexy Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:44 pm

Julia Renfro:- She asked the world to hit Aruba in the pockets, she asked the world not to travel to Aruba... She said Aruba was "seedy", dangerous and corrupt for the world to hear. She tried to steal the food off the Aruban families' tables, the books from the Aruban schools, 40% of the Police budget and millions of dollars were spent looking for her daughter, yet Beth signed a release waiver in Alabama releasing the travel agent from responsibility if something were to happen to her. The truth is, Beth sent her minor child to a foreign country to drink and co-ed party unsupervised. She signed the Release, she let her go, she is responsible. Don't give her a voice unless she is there to apologize to the good people of Aruba for the damage she did to this island.

Renee Gielen:- I do not only agree with Julia, but there is much more.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/post-1025030.html

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 10: While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist. ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16: During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s. ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

Page 182: I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koen's father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Page 194: On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba. He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

Page 195: While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made. The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken. We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.

Page 196: I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue. It has not been an easy decision for me to make. But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position. In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba. Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott. However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott. I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 01:41:16 PM

When Natalee Holloway was sharing her personal definition of a hero in her journal ... I believe she was defining the character of her own mother ... the character which proved unfailing when put to the ultimate test.

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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229/230: As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero. Natalee writes:

"A Hero is someone who puts others before himself. He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others. Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times. They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals. I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct. Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times. A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself."

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time." It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people. And I am amazed at her profound words here. I sit and read the entire journal ...

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 01:42:45 PM

I NEED TO KNOW!

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 02:04:20 PM

Forgiveness vs Justice

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #281 on: March 11, 2008, 10:16:13 PM »

They appreciate the kind words, especially from someone as knowledgeable as you are about the case. It is indeed a gift to be strong enough as a person to forgive someone, as the forgiver is rewarded far greater than the forgiven I believe. I hope that Beth and Dave in particular prove strong enough to one day be able to forgive Joran, even while insisting that justice be accomplished. A heart full of hatred has no room for love,enjoyment, contentment, and happiness. A heart full of hatred is a heavy heart to bear.

The trick is to be able to grant forgiveness, but still be able to focus on pushing for justice. At this point, I feel as if the people allegedly attacking Joran, are actually the people who represent hope and a future for Joran. If he isn't allowed to confess and repent, he will have no chance for a productive rewarding life. It is his parents and their friends, the forces from the dark, who are holding on to Joran steadfastly trying to keep him from the love of God.

Some people will say that it doesn't seem that my behavior for example is reflective of Christian teachings, and I honestly don't know the answer to that. I feel that the court of public opinion is the only viable means to seeing that justice is served and that Joran is driven into the arms of his Father. For me, to a certain degree, it means playing this out in the public arena, and to do that sometimes I make mean spirited remarks about Joran. But I can forgive Joran and still feel compelled to make sure he is not content in his life absent repentance and confession, and that is what I try and do. I don't have to feel he goes unpunished, and I honestly would punish him myself if ever given the opportunity, to be able to forgive him.

I believe as I am spanking his butt I will be saying that this is going to hurt me more than it does you:), but you deserve and need this, and of course I feel obligated to give it to you. Usually that kind of love comes at the hands of your father, at a much earlier age. To that all I can say is Joran, better late than never, and I am truly sorry your father did such a miserable job raising you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364135;topicseen#msg364135

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 02:07:48 PM

A LIFE CHANGED FOREVER

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23: Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her. I take the backseat. We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon. Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures. Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these. Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi. Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl. "Mrs. Twitty? My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you." It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent. She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba. They are in Birmingham. It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know. It's more than a mother's intuition. It's certainty. Something terrible has happened. I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive. The one we fear from the moment our children are born. The one that changes a parent's life forever.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 02:12:32 PM

THE FERIOUS PROTECTION

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #695 11/27 -
« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2007, 01:55:19 PM »

I have to say that I have never seen such a miracle as is evidenced by the endless dedication to the truth that the existence of this site and the participation of you posters represents. Whenever Beth has been too tired to speak or prohibited by the process to talk, this group has always, without fail, stepped up to the plate and pushed this process forward. Only the hand of God could have created the resources and dedication required to have accomplished this. Every member of this site should pat themselves on their back for a job well done. I am impressed, amazed, and in awe, not to mention forever thankful to each and every one of you as it is and has been a pleasure to watch the ferious protection you have provided Beth as it makes me believe in the existence of a God and the humanity of man.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2393.msg306707;topicseen#msg306707

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 20, 2010, 02:14:34 PM

THE VOICE FOR NATALEE

Aruba Admission
Tuesday, August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I met him (Prime Minister Oduber) in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2010, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2010, 11:30:51 AM

Quote from: texasmom on June 11, 2010, 07:34:08 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 13, 2010, 05:51:35 PM

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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2010, 12:45:45 AM

Quote from: carpe noctem on September 27, 2010, 11:41:06 PM

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 11:49:05 AM

Quote from: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 11:03:47 AM

Alto Vista - NE Aruba

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THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Exerpts

Pages 100-103: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God. And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes. Complete peace blankets me, and I am still. It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now. It comes in total stillness. Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years. Now I must trust Him to care for her. So I never ask Him why. Why Natalee? Why me? I don't ask. To do that undermines faith. Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside. God never questioned me when she was in my care. I must not question Him. I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me. He knows her very well. And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school. The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation. Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her. She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God. She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God". In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me. And I am at peace.

The weight is gone. I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses. The Stations of the Cross. The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel. When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments. The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee. I talk to her. Promise to find her. Get justice for her. And pledge never to give up. Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit. Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible. Mom is right; God is good. All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over. Not the work that has to be done. Just the burden. I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained. And I am renewed, resilient. Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me. I will pick up one foot and put it down. Then the other one will follow. I will breathe. There is much to be done.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 11:33:56 PM

Freddy and His Camera

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested. The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

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'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough. What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

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Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing. Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college. At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought.

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Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 24, 2005

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing. The first time I was with my brother Deepak at Joran’s apartment where Freddy was with his girlfriend Carmen, the sister of Carmen and another girlfriend came along to Joran’s. We spoke with Freddy but not concerning the matter of the missing girl. That day Freddy slept at Joran’s apartment. I cannot remember what day that was.

The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2010, 02:19:59 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 03:00:28 PM

Joe Tacopina may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "wonderful" mother. Peter Devries may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "good" mother. However ... Tamikosmom thinks otherwise. I believe with all my heart that the death of Stephany would never have happened if Anita and Paulus through a misguided sense of love had not abetted the cover up within the Aruban investigation ... the cover up that shielded their son from personal accountability in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Think about it. Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor. The legal consequences would have been minimal. However ... this young man would have received professional help and his decent into H--- may have been prevented. Maybe today a young lady by the name of Stephany would be pursuing her dreams and ... another family would not have been living an ongoing nightmare that dictates embracing their loved one in this lifetime will never again happen.

Janet

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Anita - A Victim?

::MonkeyNoNo::

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
« Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2010, 02:21:04 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 10:52:10 PM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg)

Klaasend - Scared Monkeys

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 01:47:03 AM

SHE ISN’T COMING HOME

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 198: The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee. People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it. But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me. It’s the milestones. Natalee would be looking forward to her winter break after her first semester at college. But she isn’t coming home from college for Christmas. She isn’t coming home.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 01:57:58 AM

NATALEE'S BIRTHDAY

Beth has moved beyond the unimaginable pain of losing her only daughter but continues to give unselfishly of herself to others. Natalee would be proud of her mother. My prayer is that Beth will embrace this special day that our Lord has made and ... rejoice in precious memories.

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Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229: As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero. Natalee writes:

"A Hero is someone who puts others before himself. He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others. Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times. They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals. I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct. Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times. A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself."

It is not Easy!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 01:59:55 AM

The Book

Missing in Paradise: Where Is Natalee Holloway?
Thursday, May 31, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: You're starting to write a book?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I am. I am. And you know, Greta, I feel as if — you know, if we can share some of the painful lessons that I've learned and the power of faith and can share these lessons with other parents and young adults, then, you know — and if I can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family, then it will be — well have been worth the writing of this book. So that is my hope.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276715,00.html

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007

Beth Holloway:

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 02:01:18 AM

A Mother's Legacy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 02:02:29 AM

Natalee's 19th Birthday

Scarborough Country - October 21, 2005

Joe: Do you have any birthday memories? Anything, like her 18th birthday, what was she doing on her last birthday?

Beth: Probably her 16th birthday cause that is when you do the car. I think that one was probably the most special, and it probably is to all parents.

Joe: What do you remember the most about the 16th birthday?

Beth: I don’t think I can do it. (Starts to cry)

Transcript Credit: ?

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2005/10/gang-rape-overlooked-by-aruba.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 02:03:37 AM

Natalee's Birthday - October 21, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 168: I had planned to end my trip on Friday, October 21, Natalee’s birthday. However, so much activity was going on in Aruba – with the Equusearch team and the equipment that Art Wood had brought in, as well as the tapes arriving – that I did not feel that I could just turn my back and leave. Unfortunately, the sophisticated camera that Art had obtained was not as effective as what Equusearch had with them. But, Equusearch’s sonar search capabilities were much better than anything that the Aruban authorities had.

Natalee’s birthday was a difficult day. I tried not to focus on it and kept busy with my efforts to search for her. As with times back in Mississippi, I was not always with Natalee on her birthday due to sharing time with her with Beth. I did my best to imagine that this was just not my turn to spend her birthday with her.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2010, 11:34:00 PM

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway

Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story

The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 06:34:39 PM

Quote from: msmarple on June 07, 2010, 06:08:19 AM

November 19, 2008:

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 06:35:51 PM

IT WAS ALL A HOAX

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 06:39:10 PM

HE LIED

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry. Joran said he lied to us. Did Joran lie to us? And if so, when? When he said he sold Natalee or eight hours later, when he said it was not true? Joran's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he told his father Paulus that he sold Natalee Holloway to a man in Aruba. Joran says he recorded conversations between his father an him that refer to this sale and could possibly corroborate what he told us on tape.

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us live. Joe, am I right, you still do represent Joran?

JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: I represent him, Greta, for the purpose of the Aruba investigation, which for all intents and purposes is over.

Quite frankly, when you asked me to come on last week or a few weeks ago, I hadn't seen this tape. Had I seen this first, I probably would have declined your invitation, Greta, because I just - we could do this - and look, obviously you paid him some money to either give him a tape recording or have him give you tapes or to submit to an interview.

VAN SUSTEREN: Stop there. Let me explain something.

TACOPINA: Please.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just so you get it right. He contacted us. He said he had a tape.

TACOPINA: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: I said we couldn't buy it, but we could license it. That's what the media does. You license photos, you license recordings, you license tape.

He gave us the tape. We've had it sent to someone to have it checked out if there were problems with it. I went to Thailand to find out what the story was on the tape to fill in the blanks to corroborate it.

TACOPINA: OK. So whatever I have - I mean, an email from one of your producers, Steph Watts, you know, to Joran, talking about the Western Union transaction. Greta, look --

VAN SUSTEREN: That is how the money is transferred. There's no secret. There's no secret.

TACOPINA: You paid him for a tape that he made and wound up getting an hour interview with him. And so be it, Greta. Great TV, great ratings- -

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have a problem with that?

TACOPINA: Yes, I do have a problem with it, Greta, because if you offered Joran $10,000 tomorrow and ask him to tell you a fifth story, he would do it.

Clearly, he's a sick kid. Clearly, I have nothing to say in defense of his actions, Greta. OK?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 30, 2010, 08:54:18 PM

International Travel Tips

1. Communication

Before you leave the country, activate international calling on your cell phone. And be sure you know how to make an international phone call. The area code to the U.S. is 001, followed by the area code and number you are calling. Always carry your cell on your person, not in a purse or a briefcase ...

www.internationalsafetravelsfoundation.org

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The undermining of the integrity of Beth and Jug was an intregal part of the Aruban misinformation campaign WHICH was established early on to distance Joran from implication in the events that encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

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Disappearance
Missing White Female
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006

Gerold Dompig:

"We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=6

'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 4/20/2006 10:28:41 AM ET

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:: Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all. You know Natalee had not called me. She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned. And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 31: Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport. On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell. I ACTIVATE NATALEE'S TOO. If she has hers with her, she can call me now. If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help. Why didn't we do this before she left? I feel such regret.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 12:40:14 PM

LORENZO VAN RIJN

Rumor or Truth?

Beth Twitty On Crier: The Suspects (VIDEO)
October 6, 2005

Beth Twitty appeared on Catherine Crier to talk about the Deepak interview among other things. The two discussed the current relationship between Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. At the moment Joran is in the Netherlands while the two brothers reside in Aruba. We also learn that Joran has a half-brother in Aruba who is a known drug dealer. Beth notes that the brother is a possible suspect.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/10/06/beth-twitty-on-crier-the-suspects-video/

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 183: It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it. He (Art Wood) noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it. We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance. He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy. Art asked him (Dennis Jacobs) where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart. We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction. There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence. Apparently, you cannot get into that place. It looks like a prison camp. Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Dave Holloway
Question and Answer Chat - BFN
January 23, 2006

14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

DAVE: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0

Klaasen
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #725 2/6
« Reply #566 on: February 07, 2008, 05:18:36 PM »

http://amigoe.com/english/

Last Update: Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

According to the local radio station Cool FM and a journalist of the Dutch current affairs column Network, a half brother of Joran, a Lorenzo van R., does fit the profile. He does have a boat and his name has already appeared earlier in the Holloway-file. Peter R. de Vries has confirmed having heard of Lorenzo van R.’s name, but that he didn’t want to use him for his programme. The Dutch programme Nova and other media have also mentioned other names, especially names of boys that often hang about the ‘surfing circuit’ near the Fisherman’s Hut next to the Marriott. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2578.msg343877;topicseen#msg343877
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Jossy Mansur

Dana Pretzer Show - June 18, 2006

Jossy: I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18

The Dana Pretzer Show - June 23, 2007

27:01
Jossy: You know, as far as we know, no, we haven't been able to make that kind of a link or connection whatsoever with regard to the case. I mean the rumours are more than rumours in Aruba that they are half brothers and they have the same appearance, they have the same height, same (inaudible), there are many reasons to believe that but it has not been confirmed by themselves, the two players themselves or anyone else in the family, no.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

The Dana Pretzer Show - July 09, 2007

Dana: Lorenzo is he still detained and has Jossy heard anything about him?

Jossy: He was detained for over 100 drug plants, selling marijuana and was under surveillance for a long time. What do I know of him? I hear is his the half brother of Joran, has the same facial features and of the same height, but that’s all we know about him.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/09/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-9th-2007-special-guests-jossy-mansur-tim-miller-eric-spinato-robert-grossman/

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 03:56:15 PM

LORENZO

Truth or Rumor

Mother Van der Sloot: Joran has no half brother

February 7, 2008

ORANJESTAD – The mother of Joran van der Sloot, Anita, wants to clear up the rumours that Joran has a half brother; he does not; this half brother does not exist. She told the Amigoe this yesterday.

Amigoe reported yesterday that the Dutch current affairs column and the local radio transmitter Cool FM assumed that a certain Lorenzo van R. was the person that helped murder-suspect Joran dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body with a boat. Daury Rodriguez’s name was mentioned earlier as the ‘boatman’, but Rodriguez denied this. Joran van der Sloot said in the talked-about footage of Peter R. de Vries that he was helped by ‘Daury’.

Also in the early stages of the investigation, family Van der Sloot has rebutted this rumour. “Justice has investigated it at that time and could ascertain that nothing tallies. But the media is digging into it again. How are Joran’s brothers going to understand this now? They asked me if what is in the Amigoe is true; that they have a half brother. This is on top of everything that has already happened.”

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true. The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990. “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times. Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

‘Joran-shows’

The Netherlands as well as the United States are keeping a close track of all the latest developments in the Holloway-case. The Netherlands that was the first to broadcast Peter R. de Vries’ footage last Sunday, noted a viewing record of seven million people. ABC has broadcast the footage on Monday and at least 12 million Americans watched it, which is 11 percent of the TV-viewers at that moment.

De Vries has meanwhile left for the US to appear in several prominent talk shows. Aruban televiewers could watch the footage on ABC via cable for the first time on Monday. They have already seen and heard fragments via local radio- and TV-transmitters and on internet earlier.

Patrick van der Eem, the man that encouraged a confession from Joran van der Sloot on a hidden camera, seems to become ‘the big hero’ in the Netherlands and in the US, confirmed the office of Peter R. de Vries. The telephone hasn’t stopped ringing and several bouquets were delivered ‘out of appreciation’.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39496.php

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 04:01:18 PM

Mother Van der Sloot: Joran has no half brother
Amigoe.com
02/07/2008

Family Van der Sloot with left, Anita van der Sloot. Joran has two younger brothers.

ORANJESTAD – The mother of Joran van der Sloot, Anita, wants to clear up the rumours that Joran has a half brother; he does not; this half brother does not exist. She told the Amigoe this yesterday.

Amigoe reported yesterday that the Dutch current affairs column and the local radio transmitter Cool FM assumed that a certain Lorenzo van R. was the person that helped murder-suspect Joran dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body with a boat. Daury Rodriguez’s name was mentioned earlier as the ‘boatman’, but Rodriguez denied this. Joran van der Sloot said in the talked-about footage of Peter R. de Vries that he was helped by ‘Daury’.

Also in the early stages of the investigation, family Van der Sloot has rebutted this rumour. “Justice has investigated it at that time and could ascertain that nothing tallies. But the media is digging into it again. How are Joran’s brothers going to understand this now? They asked me if what is in the Amigoe is true; that they have a half brother. This is on top of everything that has already happened.”

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true. The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990. “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times. Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

‘Joran-shows’

The Netherlands as well as the United States are keeping a close track of all the latest developments in the Holloway-case. The Netherlands that was the first to broadcast Peter R. de Vries’ footage last Sunday, noted a viewing record of seven million people. ABC has broadcast the footage on Monday and at least 12 million Americans watched it, which is 11 percent of the TV-viewers at that moment.

De Vries has meanwhile left for the US to appear in several prominent talk shows. Aruban televiewers could watch the footage on ABC via cable for the first time on Monday. They have already seen and heard fragments via local radio- and TV-transmitters and on internet earlier.

Patrick van der Eem, the man that encouraged a confession from Joran van der Sloot on a hidden camera, seems to become ‘the big hero’ in the Netherlands and in the US, confirmed the office of Peter R. de Vries. The telephone hasn’t stopped ringing and several bouquets were delivered ‘out of appreciation’.

Posted by Getagrip at 2/08/2008 10:43:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008_02_03_archive.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 07, 2010, 07:16:32 PM

Beth Hollowa:

59:25

I think there is more to come … there is more to come.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 10:10:38 PM

Is She Dead? Is She Alive?
Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 10:11:45 PM

IT IS NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN THIS WAY

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1: I cannot tell you how much it hurts to lose a child. There are no words to describe the feelings that choke a parent who outlives a daughter. It is not supposed to happen this way. I was never prepared for this kind of pain, this type of emptiness. My heart has an insurmountable void that used to be filled with Natalee's presence.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 10:15:11 PM

Enrique Flores, Stephan's Brother:

"I REALLY TRUST THE PEUVIAN SYSTEM."

11:48
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 10:58:38 PM

Beth Holloway:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 08, 2010, 11:02:13 PM

Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 01:08:50 AM

Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: texasmom on April 24, 2010, 10:18:31 PM

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6210363/__Criminele_neef_Remkes_onder_loep__.html

Fri 05 Mar 2010, 05:30 | 0 comments

Criminal cousin former minister under the microscope

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

AMSTERDAM -- The National Research in the deepest secrecy and a half year study of the family of then Minister Johan Remkes. The same nephew of former Interior Minister was working on large-scale smuggling and money currency from North Korea.

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Johan Remkes.
Photo: eg Dijkstra Dijkstra, Fotoburea

The study was conducted in silence and began almost two years before Remkes stepped down as minister. It has led during his ministerial duties until a seizure worth several million euros. The study was highly sensitive because it was family minister.

Rogue State
The cousin was involved in the laundering of large sums of money from a so-called rogue state. North Korea was among the Americans' axis of evil ". The Telegraph reveals exclusive report this morning in a "top secret" investigation file of the national public prosecutor, which still must come to court. Thus, the nephew in the act committed by an observation team to a big money transaction.

Quarrel
Former Minister Remkes showed yesterday that he "parted" with his eponymous family. "I have therefore nothing to say." He also says not to comment on whether he minister and head of the police and secret service AIVD informed about the investigation into his cousin. "I never talk about what I heard was a minister. The line I keep." The lawyer is the cousin of his client by Prosecutor offered a deal, so the North Korean currency smuggling not have to come to court.

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http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Binnenland/article/detail/467845/2010/03/05/Neef-Remkes-verdacht-van-witwaspraktijken-en-smokkel.dhtml

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/03052010Remkes3.jpg)

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 09:43:41 PM

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179: All through August a good case seems to be building against the suspects. The FBI is optimistic. And the viewing public, vigilant via TV, is too. Evoking even more support, Dr. Phil invites me to appear on his show September 7 and sends a polygraph expert, Jamie Skeeters, to the island to offer the suspects the opportunity to participate in lie-detector tests.

Accompanying Jamie are two former FBI agents. They know a lot about this island and explain to us that Aruba is a "trampoline" country. "A Dutch military official is concerned that North Korean diplomats assigned to Cuba are laundering drug proceeds from South America in Aruba," one of the agents tells us. "The money is being used to finance North Korea's nuclear-arms program." The retired FBI agent says Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice has had meetings about this concern already. This is one very busy little island.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 196 - 197: We've been in communication with everyone from Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to Dog the Bounty Hunter trying to get help. In Birmingham to attend a Sunday service where Secretary Rice's father used to preach, I have the extraordinary honor of sitting down with her for a few minutes. Entering her hotel suite, I am led to my seat. The most powerful woman in the world enters, and I can actually feel it as I approach her to shake hands.

She sits down across a coffee table from me. Behind her are two official-looking men. I start talking a hundred miles a minute, because I know my time with her is limited and I want to get it all in. I tell her about Natalee's case and about everything that went wrong from the first night we arrived on the island. How suspicious the events surrounding the investigation have been. I tell her what I've learned about money laundering in Aruba to support the North Korean nuclear-arms program and about the drugs there. She is very attentive. I continue talking very fast, seated on the edge of my chair, and conclude by asking for her assistance from the FBI. Real assistance. I ask her if there is anything she can do to get Aruba to let the Bureau help in Natalee's case. She speaks once. She turns to the two men behind her and says, "I want the FBI back on this." And that's all. I thank her, and I know how lucky I am to have had this private meeting with Secretary Rice and what a privilege it is. I pray that whatever happens in Natalee's favor as a result of this meeting will one day help others who may find themselves in our family's desperate predicament.

jen3560

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 09:56:07 PM

Will those within the Dutch and Aruba admiinistrations who protected Joran from accountability in the Natalee Holloway case take advantage of the corrupt Peruvian justice system and do the same in the Stephany Flores case?

Think about it. Joran is holding the Ace. If he were to place this card and expose those behind the cover up in the Natalee Holloway case ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses.

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THE ARUBAN COVER UP

Many Friends

Nancy Grace - October 4, 2005

NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

JOSSY MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Lobbying for Joran

On the Record w / Greta - November 14, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ..... it has to be.

Its been documented

The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her. There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809

Never Wanted to Implicate

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/

Yes There Was

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194: It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 09:58:18 PM

Quote from: Magnolia on November 10, 2010, 09:09:07 PM

<snipped>

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Google Translation

FLORES FAMILY SAY JORAN LIVES LIKE KING
Stepahany Flores was murdered on 30 May in a hotel room, which hosts the Dutch Joran Van derSloot. Who is the prime suspect in the death of the young.

Everything indicates that the murderer would derSloot Van Stephany, because a video shows that he was the last to see her alive and enter the room where he was brutally murdered.

However, the family of the victim shows his great reproach to the Peruvian justice system, noting that Joran lives "like a king in jail."

"It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals," said Ricardo Flores outraged father of the girl killed.

He added that it's been six months since the detention of the Dutch and "until this day refuses to give his statement to the judge," he said to a local television station in Lima.

"Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them." Flores said indignantly.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 11, 2010, 11:55:33 PM

Ricardo Flores

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 01:26:34 PM

SPENCER BACHUS - THE ARUBAN DELEGATION MEETING

Bachus emerged from the meeting with the Aruban delegation which was headed by Richardson upholding the investigation which had prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway. The Arubans would not permit John Q. Kelly ... the family's representation ... to be present and ... apparently Spencer Bachus complied.

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Spencer Bachus - Prior to the Meeting

Birmingham News - June 5, 2005

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamne...4200.xml&coll=2

Spencer Bachus - Following the Meeting

CBS News - December 16, 2005

(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about.

<snipped>

Holloway's family initially praised Aruban authorities for their work on the case, but they recently turned critical, alleging incompetence and conflicts of interest. The governors of Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia have called for a boycott of travel to Aruba to protest the way the case has been handled.

John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway's parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker's office told Holloway's family the Arubans objected to that.

"They've (Aruban authorities) indicated they're still investigating," Kelly said by telephone Friday. "We'll wait to see if there are any answers or prosecution resulting from that investigation."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml

On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Your gut reaction from the meeting? Do you feel confident this is the right team to be leading the investigation or would you like to see some changes?

SPENCER BACHUS: It’s a small island and they are handicapped by their experience. But I was impressed with what they had done…at least the work product. I have seen cases…I’ve been to hired to prosecute murder cases where there is almost no file. I will say that the resources that have been devoted to this case are really probably more substantial than most murder cases here in the United States.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have there been any leaks that have possibly jeopardized the investigation? You don’t have to go into any details of the actual leaks but did they tell you…are you convinced that anything said so far hurt the investigation?

BACHUS: It is my understanding they were running wiretaps and it was disclosed…

VAN SUSTEREN: Would that be the initial first week before the initial arrest?

BACHUS: This was in the first weeks, that is what they’re telling me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Since that time there have been no other leaks they told you about that hurt the investigation?

BACHUS: I think if anything it is the news media. Your show and others that probably do result in more…inaudible

VAN SUSTEREN: Okay, thank you sir.

BACHUS: I don’t have any criticism of them...

sunmoonstars

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 01:27:31 PM

WIRETAPS

Spencer Buchus

On the Record w/ Greta - December 16, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Have there been any leaks that have possibly jeopardized the investigation? You don’t have to go into any details of the actual leaks but did they tell you…are you convinced that anything said so far hurt the investigation?

SPENCER BACHUS: It is my understanding they were running wiretaps and it was disclosed…

VAN SUSTEREN: Would that be the initial first week before the initial arrest?

BACHUS: This was in the first weeks, that is what they’re telling me.

sunmoonstars

Gerold Dompig

48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006

Dompig says surveillance of the three boys began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing and included observation, telephone wire taps, and even monitoring of their e-mail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page3.shtml

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 01:28:19 PM

EMAILS … TEXTING ….

'The Abrams Report' for June 29
updated 6/30/2005 8:29:52 AM ET

CAREN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR IN ARUBA: I don‘t have that feeling that we are in the middle of an impasse or that we are at the end of a tunnel. I think positively because we have many questions, we have a lot of things we have to search for, and I think we are in a phase—an important phase in the investigation, a crucial phase, perhaps, by getting those technical information so we can make a timeline because it‘s not only the night of Sunday to Monday what is important but also the days after.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: And these communications you speak of...

JANSSEN: Yes.

SAVIDGE: ... the messaging, the chatting...

SAVIDGE: ... this is what occurred between the three suspects?

JANSSEN: Also and others.

SAVIDGE: After Natalee vanished?

JANSSEN: Yes. Yes.

SAVIDGE: Have you actually been able to read or do you only understand that they communicated...

JANSSEN: No...

SAVIDGE: Do you know what they were saying?

JANSSEN: We have much more information than only that. I can‘t tell you the details about that. I only can say there‘s telephone, e-mail, chat sessions, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) messages and that‘s the sort of communication that we are investigating now. And it gives us a clear picture of where they were and how they communicate and what they said to each other.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

Posted 7/1/2005 2:25 PM Updated 7/1/2005 8:28 PM
Aruba prosecutor: Charges likely in Ala. teen's disappearance

Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction "more difficult but not impossible."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-01-aruba_x.htm

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 12, 2010, 02:06:29 PM

Ricardo Flores, Stephany's Father

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

[/quote]

Mixed Messages

Enrique Flores, Stephany's Brother

'I Really Trust the Pervian System.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 13, 2010, 07:26:59 PM

In her neverending quest for answers regarding the happenings encompassing the disappearance of her daughter ... the encounter with Joran van der Sloot in the Peruvian lockup was not Beth Holloway's only face to face.

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Face to Face with Paulus

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 147-151: Little beads of sweat form across Paulus’s brow and forehead. My arms rest on top of the investigation notebook I carry with me all the time. Natalee’s reward poster with her picture on it is inside the front clear cover, in plain view. Paulus’s arms are on the table. Our knuckles are only inches apart arms are shaking. His fists are clenched.

"You're responsible for Aruba being trapped in hell," I tell him, still calm. "You can change that. But Aruba will stay in a perpetual state of hell until you come forward."

I gently push the notebook toward him so he can see Natalee. Anita remains silent. The breeze is blowing ever cooler through the room now, yet the sweat on Paulus is increasing.

“How did Joran get home that night, Paulus?” He responds that he doesn’t know. “Did he go to school the next day?” He responds again that he doesn’t know.

Greta and I have many questions. “you mean this is the most critical time in your son’s life – he is being held on suspicion of kidnap and murder – and you don’t know how he got home or if he went to school?”

Paulus stammers when he answers. He hesitates. He sounds unnatural and blinks rapidly. His head is down. The beads of sweat turn to bubbles that grow together and gather under his chin, then drop – splash – onto the table below.

Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots. First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask Paulus if he would like one. He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up. What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home. I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse. It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12. “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.”” I finish the tying and gently pat the knot. “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me. I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus. It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear. There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee. We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

Anita gets a kitchen towel and first blots Paulus’s head. Then she lays it on the pools of sweat that have formed on the table in front of him and, in one big swipe, folds the towel over and cleans it away.

No one could have predicted that this encounter would take place.

Face to Face with the Aruban Prime Minister

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer. I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/

Face to Face with Deepak

Mother confronts Aruba suspect
Holloway's mother questions Kalpoe about disappearance of missing teen
August 9, 2005

TRANSCRIPT

It's been over nine weeks since Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on the last night of her vacation in Aruba. Since then, her mother Beth Holloway Twitty, has stayed on the island to take part in the search effort.

Her relentless determination for answers brought her face-to-face with Deepak Kalpoe, one of the three suspects involved in the disappearance. Under the guise of developing film, Beth Holloway showed up at the internet cafe where he works.

She tells MSNBC-TV host Joe Scarborough that Deepak avoided her questions and avoided eye contact.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I don’t know how long I was in there. It may have been an hour. It could have been longer. We went in there to develop some pictures, just trying to give Deepak an opportunity to talk to me. We know that he has some answers. And I think one of my biggest questions that I have is that Joran committed a sexual assault against Natalee in the car and we know Deepak and Satish were there.

I just asked him, did you try to help Natalee or did you participate? He can’t even answer that. He would just either refer to it with silence or his attorney told him not to speak with me. And I just can’t imagine, given that opportunity, that he would not want to take advantage of it to clear his name, with Natalee’s mother standing right there in front of him.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, ‘SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY’ HOST: So, you went to this Internet cafe and asked him about the reports of the sexual assault or the rape in the car, and he just simply refused to answer?

HOLLOWAY: Now, I can’t refer to it as rape, but I can refer to it as sexual assault. That’s as far as I can go with it. I know that some was occurring. He would either answer me with silence, or would not look at me. I had to keep telling him over and over again, pick your head up. Look at me when I’m talking with you. I’m trying to help you. You know, look at the damage, look at what he’s doing to Aruba.

The citizens, I’m sure, are outraged at how he is just disregarding any type of respect for maintaining Aruba’s integrity. There are a lot of people that have been watching, and even from the U.S., and we all want answers and we’re giving him every opportunity to clear his name. And he can’t do it.

SCARBOROUGH: Did you, at any point in this meeting, just simply say, hey, listen, I don’t think you’re telling the truth; your story that you’ve been telling the police, or I guess I should say your stories, just don’t add up? Did you call him a liar?

HOLLOWAY: I didn’t call him a liar, but I can tell you, in that hour or hour-and-a-half I was there, I asked him repeatedly. I was very persistent. I did not stop. I kept reminding him that we’ve got a $250,000 reward for the whereabouts of Natalee. We are offering $1 million for her safe return.

We, as her family, are doing everything we can to make this worthwhile, to come forward. We’re giving him lots of choices and opportunities to come forward and do the right thing. I offered him to please come on one of the shows with me, yours tonight.

But that just shows, some huge level of guilt and involvement. He cannot even look at Natalee’s mother. He can’t even deny it.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes. I think it’s absolutely fascinating that you go in there and he can’t even make eye contact with you, that, here you are, the person that’s obviously anguished by the disappearance of your daughter and possible death of your daughter, you go try to talk to him, and you’ve got to tell him, make eye contact with me; look in my eyes.

So you sensed that he looked guilty to you? Was he obviously intimidated by your presence in there?

HOLLOWAY: I’ll tell you, he looked sick to me. He looked sick with worry.

All I saw were his eyelids the entire time, except when I would tell him he had to look at me. That’s all I saw. His head was down. He was nervous. I mean, he was just continually going back and forth to the computer, just frantically typing, just senseless typing. I could see where I was seated that it was just senseless typing. He was just that fright or flight that someone gets, but he couldn’t flight, so all he had was fright in there.

SCARBOROUGH: Now, is he following your campaign?

HOLLOWAY: Obviously, he was on duty.

SCARBOROUGH: Yes, obviously on duty, trying to stay away from your questions.

Is he aware of the campaign, the aggressive campaign that you’re going through every night on TV? Does he understand that you’re not going away, that you’re going to keep going back on TV time and time again until you get justice for your daughter?

HOLLOWAY: You know, I think he is truly aware of it. I’m encouraged by the fact that he is watching. I think he’s got a vested interest in this case, I thought it was amusing.

The one question that he did ask me, and this was probably 10 minutes before I was leaving. He told me that the media has not seen this side of you. I told him, I’d been saving it for you, Deepak.

SCARBOROUGH: What side is that?

HOLLOWAY: I think it’s just the side that, I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go. I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.

There are too many people that have been supporting me and they want answers too. So, if I’m in the position to ask them, I need to take advantage of it. I had the opportunity and I did the best I could, because, it’s a tragedy for Aruba and it’s a tragedy for all of us involved. These citizens deserve better than that. They’re good people here. They do not deserve to be put through what Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van Der Sloot and the father, Paulus, are putting them through. They’re subjecting their country to this. It’s a tragedy. It is a shame.

SCARBOROUGH: Did you ever ask him questions like, where is my daughter? Is my daughter still alive? Did you kill my daughter? Did it ever go to that level, where you were really asking just the tough, tough questions?

HOLLOWAY: Joe, I’ve got a lot more days on this island, so I’m not going anywhere. I’ve got plenty of time. I’ve got lots more pictures to be developed at the Internet cafe.

SCARBOROUGH: Here we have, again, people writing around the United States, thousands of miles away, and yet they’re taking the posters down there. Did you mention that to him? Did you mention it to anybody in the store?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely. There was a customer at the counter at the same time I was there. The man knew who I was.

I had to explain that the reward for the $1 million for a safe return and the $250,000 for her whereabouts, because, you know, the tourists that come here, they ask me, where are her posters? Why don’t you have her posters up? And, if I put them up, I can’t help it if this business owner took her poster down.

It saddened me greatly, because we are trying everything we can, as her family, to bring forth a resolution. But we’ve got to have some help. And, for the most part, they remain in these businesses on the walls and on the glass doors, and that’s where we need to get the message out. But, if I put one up and his owner, this is what Deepak told me, that his manager or boss made him take it down. So, the only thing I know to do is to go back and try again.

SCARBOROUGH: Do it again. You were with Deepak for an hour, at least an hour. You saw him avert his eyes from you. You saw him look down. You saw him type nervously. Let's go back to the first night you got to the island, You immediately figured out that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot were involved just by reading their body language.

After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely. Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent. There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence. There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 174: "Don't you want the money, Deepak? Tell us what happened to Natalee." He says only two thrings. "I don't need the money." Then, "The media have never seen this side of you." To which I repliy, "I was saving it for you, Deepak."

I stood up for Natalee again today. In the face of one of her Perpetrators. And it felt good.

Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

'Tell me what happen. Let me take her home.'

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

'There is more to come … there is more to come.'

September, 2010

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Natalee-Holloways-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-jail.html

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 02:45:17 PM

The Search of the Landfill

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 39-40: Another witness, a homeless man who claimed to have been up on the landfill three days after Natalee vanished, said he had seen someone take something out of a pick-up truck that looked like a body and bury it. He descried the exact spot with landmarks, but by this time, there had already been a lot of garbage dumped on top of the spot. The searchers dug and came across some of the things the witness said he had seen in the garbage, but they had to use backhoes to dig deeper, and the machinery kept breaking down. We had about forty holes dug and kept sending the dogs down in them. During that entire week, I spent all of my time surrounded by rotting garbage searching for Natalee. It was hot and the stench was so unbearable that we had to wear masks in order to breathe, but we continued to search. My belief was that if we could find the haystack, we could find the needle

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 26, 2010, 06:16:07 PM

Her New Life's Work

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm | reporter: Ebony Hall posted by: Ebony Hall

Mountain Brook, AL - It was a story that made headlines across the globe. The search for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. The story that dominated the airwaves- also took over Beth Holloway's life. She is Natalee's mother, and five years later, she is still looking for answers and hoping Aruban prosecutors can close this case.

"I'm not sure if there is anything new, but they are processing all the leads and the tips that they have received."

Natalee is now presumed dead, but no one knows how she died or why.

"We've really tried to be so careful and not to speculate as to what happened an just stick with the known facts."

We do know that Natalee was last seen alive with Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot at Carlos n' Charlie's. Over the years, van der Sloot has told many stories of what happened that night. All the while Beth listened to each of these tales hoping to find a thread of truth.

"I think there was one where he said he sold her alive.I think there was another where he said she fell of a balcony in a swamp. I think now it's become so muddy for me that no my journey for justice is not ended."

It's been five years since Natalee disappeared. Legally, her family could now file for a death certificate in Alabama, but they have not thus far since Natalee disappeared abroad.

"We know that Natalee is no longer alive. I know we had talked about that earlier, few years ago,but it is not something that we have done yet."

Over the years, Beth and her family have learned how to deal with the pain of losing Natalee, but it is still an open wound. In March, a Pennsylvania couple thought they may have taken a picture of a body- maybe Natalee's body- on the ocean floor. News like that- always makes the family hopeful.

"You know I got caught up for a just- you get taken in. But as I said, there is a quicker recovery time where I am able to compartmentalize it and focus on what I can do..."

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth Holloway thought she knew exactly who she was more than five years ago.

"My life was defined with two children, a marriage, job and home. When a tragedy strikes, you lose everything."

During the Memorial Day weekend of 2005, Beth's life changed forever. With Natalee missing, she was now the mother of one- not two. She would later divorce her then husband Jug Twitty. So she was no longer a wife. Her life "definition" changed- and with it so did her life's purpose.

"I received the call that all mothers and fathers dread from the moment their children is born- that my daughter was missing."

So now her mission is to help others. Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8.

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

Beth says she had no idea who to contact in Aruba when Natalee went missing. She also knew nothing about the Dutch system of Justice or who was in charge. Out of her frustration a new global security and assistance company was born. It's called Mayday 360.

"When I present to these high school and college students, I could give them the personal safety and travel safety message, but I really felt like I couldn't equip them with a real tangible resource. And I feel with Mayday 360, I can because that is real time, real security assistance, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:03:43 PM

Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

'There is more to come … there is more to come.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

'Tell me what happen. Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:05:05 PM

Local Man Finds Jawbone On Aruban Beach
Authorities Investigate Whether Bone Belongs To Natalee Holloway

POSTED: 8:25 am EST November 23, 2010
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST November 23, 2010

LEBANON, Conn. -- Investigators are expected to reveal whether a jawbone found in Aruba belongs to Natalee Holloway, who disappeared without a trace in 2005. But, details are emerging on how that bone was found on the beach by a man from Lebanon on a trip with his friends.

Both of the couples said that if the bone does belong to Holloway, they just want her family to know that they treated the discovery with dignity and have been going through a range of emotions ever since they found it.

The friends from Andover and Lebanon flew to Aruba earlier this month to celebrate their wedding anniversaries together.

They said the bone was found on the last day of their trip.

"It was out last day at The Phoenix," said David Knox, of Andover. "We decided to relax and enjoy the beach."

So the couples, celebrating their 35th wedding anniversaries at the resort, took a swim.

However, while Gil Beaulieu's wife and friends sat in the sun, he strolled the beach.

"Gil was trying to find that perfect shell," Knox said.

Beaulieu said, "I noticed there wasn't a lot of people in that area, so I thought maybe I could find some shells."

Beaulieu, from Lebanon, said he noticed a really shiny one that caught his eye.

"I picked up the shell first," he said. "Then I saw the bone. I hesitated because I kind of knew what it was right off the bat."

He said he brought it to his wife, an X-ray technologist who looks at bones every day.

"You do hesitate, because you're not expecting to find a human bone," said Eileen Beaulieu.

"All the teeth were missing except for one molar in the back," Gil Beaulieu said. "It was in good shape."

Such good shape that they could even see a tiny hole in the tooth.

By now, Kathy Knox said she had Natalee Holloway in her head.

"That was basically what I was thinking about," she said. "Is it Natalee?"

They said they put the jaw bone in a plastic cup and then Beaulieu and Knox brought it to the hotel lobby where security took it.

After dinner, a note in their hotel door requested they call police right away.

That's when it was real," Knox said.

Authorities are now analyzing the bone to see if it belongs to Holloway.

And if it is, Eileen Beaulieu said she want's Halloway's mother to know they took care of it respectfully.

"I'd want her to know that we took care of it. We treated it with dignity," Beaulieu said.

"I began to think of the family," said Kathy Knox. "You know, if this is Natalee maybe the family can have some closure."

And if not, at least, perhaps answers for someone.

Fighting back tears, Kathy Knox said, "I don't even know the family, but if my child was missing I can't even imagine being as strong as she has been."

"We all hope very much that this puts an end to somebody's heartache," Gil Beaulieu said.

Video Interview:
http://www.wfsb.com/news/25889547/detail.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:14:20 PM

Over and Over Again

NANCY GRACE
Natalee Holloway Case Update
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY: Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

I Stay Focused

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway: What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. I can’t get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:16:16 PM

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:18:44 PM

In a nutshell Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge to build on for further research of the early days encompassing the Natalee Holloway story.

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ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:20:33 PM

It is not Easy

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:22:26 PM

A Mother's Legacy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:37:10 PM

KEY CARD

John Q. Kelly - Key Card

Transcript: New Holloway Suspect?
Thursday, April 13, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: In terms of someone using a key card in Natalee's room, I think a couple times after midnight, do have you any information about that at all?

JOHN Q. KELLY, FAMILY ATTORNEY: Yes, it's a non-event. The key card that was being referenced was used at 11:00 o'clock the next morning, too. It was used the whole next day by, you know, other girls. It was not the key card that Natalee had.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is the police...

KELLY: As a matter of fact, that's the information that Beth herself had tracked down from the hotel and turned it over to the police.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191673,00.html

Dave Holloway - Key Card

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 4/6/2006 12:40:43 PM ET

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Well, we need to clear up a little of the smoke and mirrors problem. I provided the police with the documents that they‘re referring to, the hotel keys, as a matter of fact. Beth obtained those immediately upon arriving on the island and then provided me with a copy that I provided to the police.

Joe failed to mention that that same code was used again at 11:02 AM and 11:08 AM prior to them getting on—or leaving to the airport. So key number one, which we feel like Natalee used, was last used at 8:30 PM the prior night. So that key was not used again after the trip was over.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/

Beth Holloway - The Card Key

Loving Natalee

Page 96: As I sit down to watch the tapes, a hotel employee hands me the records I've been asking for showing the key entries to Natalee's room on May 30. Three keys were used. Three of the four girls entered the room. One did not. I was afraid of that.

THE HOLIDAY INN LOBBY

Edwin Comemencia - Hotel Security Camera

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds. ....

Authorities declined to comment whether there was a relationship between the suspects and other three, earlier described as students — two Surinamese and a native of the Netherlands — who told police they dropped off Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. on May 30. Hotel employees, however, say that security cameras did not record her return.

Comemencia also said that he didn't believe Holloway ever returned to her hotel. "The investigation looks like, that night, she never returned to her hotel," Comemencia told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

Robert S. Mueller, III - FBI Director

DISAPPEARANCE OF NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY
June 7, 2005

Holloway did not return to her hotel room, and her personal belongings remained in her room.

ROBERT S. MUELLER, III
DIRECTOR
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20535
TELEPHONE: (202) 324-3000

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm

Jody Bearman - Students in the Lobby

Aruba police ignored evidence: Natalee's family nabbed suspects
18 June 2005

"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones. ....

Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.

His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.

"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html

John Q. Kelly - The Grainy Video

Transcript: New Holloway Suspect?
Thursday, April 13, 2006

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Julia Renfro said that she had seen a video at about 3:00 o'clock in the morning at the Holiday Inn, very grainy, that it could have been — she didn't know for sure — could have been Natalee, that Beth Holloway Twitty has looked at it and said she does not think it's Natalee. But my question was whether the tape had ever been turned over to professionals for enhancement, so we could sort of put that one to rest? Do you know anything about this video?

JOHN Q. KELLY, FAMILY ATTORNEY: Sure. I know Beth looked at it very carefully, and very definitively said it was not Natalee. And that's really...

VAN SUSTEREN: But has it ever been enhanced, just on the wild shot it could tell something more?

KELLY: That I don't know. She seemed very comfortable being very definitive about the fact it was not Natalee without it being enhanced.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191673,00.html

Beth Holloway - The Grainy Video

Loving Natalee

Page 96: The black and white footage plays. Suddenly a girl with light hair crosses the threshold of the lobby. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn. I ask them to rewind it and play it again. I recognize her. I want it to be Natalee, but know it's not. It's Mat's daughter. I ask to see it again. Again. Again. Play it once more. Now again. More than ten times they rewind the spot on the tape that shows this young woman coming into the hotel and stopping at the front desk to get a key. I so want it to be my daughter. Maybe if I look at it enough times I can make it her. Please! Play it again. Slow it down. Now pause it. Please, be Natalee. But it isn't. I already know the second time I see it that it isn't her. The tapes play out.

The night passes. Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her. She never came back. She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me. She got into Deepak's car at Carlos 'n Charlie's, but they didn't bring her here like they said they did. And I surmise that this must be why Paulus is telling people, like the headmaster, that the outside hotel cameras are broken. So no one would find out the truth.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:42:02 PM

Dental records were electronically sent by FBI to the NFI on November 17, 2010. According to Taco Stein ... an immediate determination was made that the jawbone was not Natalee Holloway case related. Why was Beth and Dave not afforded an immediate call from Aruban authorities that the opportunity to bring Natalee home was not going to happen? Why did it take a week for a statement to be released by the Aruban Prosecutors Office?

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Electronically Sent Wednesday, November 17, 2010

FBI: Aruba studying missing teen's dental records
Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 pm

Paul Daymond, an FBI spokesman in Birmingham, Alabama, said the agency sent some records electronically Wednesday and shipped the remaining dental impressions. It is unclear when those would arrive.

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/news/world/article_0074a3f2-3def-5a9a-a652-c24cc179caa9.html

Results Quickly Determined

Natalee Holloway: Jawbone Not That of Missing American Teen
Jawbone With One Tooth Attached Found Two Weeks Ago on Aruban Beach
Nov. 23, 2010

The determination was made using Holloway's dental records, according to a statement issued late this morning by the Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office.

Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein said shortly after the announcement that they could determine quickly that the bone wasn't Holloway's -- the jawbone found on the beach had a wisdom tooth still attached and Holloway's dental records showed the teen had had her wisdom teeth removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/natalee-holloway-jaw-bone-missing-american-teen/story?id=12222677

Painful Vigil - November 23, 2010

Beth Holloway releases statement

"Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother."

John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-releases-statement/ycgpabf4TEyB5HpVZoCQDA.cspx

NANCY GRACE
Jawbone Found Not Natalee Holloway`s
Aired November 23, 2010 – 20:00:00 ET

LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S AUNT (via telephone): Well, I did get a chance to talk to Dave several times today, and we were just — the anxiety was unbelievable this morning, anticipating what the results were going to be. And we, you know, just again, were almost flabbergasted to hear the news at the same time that everybody else did, that there was no phone call made prior to Dave and Robin or to Beth saying, you know, We`ve gotten the results and it`s not Natalee`s DNA. And so we were just kind of really shocked about the way that it was handled. And I know Dave and Robin are really disappointed and were looking for some closure, and it didn`t happen today.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/23/ng.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:48:35 PM

The US Administration and the Natalee Holloway case?

Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy

Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American’s homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 01:59:17 PM

Arubans urge Holloway's father to delay search during Peruvian probeBy the CNN Wire Staff
June 17, 2010 5:22 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Aruban authorities are urging Natalee Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, to delay volunteer search efforts in her disappearance until police get better information on the case from Peruvian investigators who have spoken to Joran van der Sloot, prosecutor Peter Blanken said.

Police do not want their investigation jeopardized or possible evidence contaminated in the Bubali Bird Sanctuary, a swamp area where Joran once said he dumped Holloway's body, Blanken said. Aruban authorities wish to search a more focused area once they receive more information from van der Sloot and his laptop, which may include files linking him to the Holloway disappearance.

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/17/aruba.van.der.sloot/

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Quote from: klaasend on November 29, 2010, 07:29:40 PM

National Enquirer scanned by San - Thanks San!:

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The Arubans had conducted a superficial investigation of the area and found nothing, but once he had the map, Dave Holloway pressured the government to conduct a major search.

Authorities in Aruba - who don't want to scare away their tourist trade - point-blank refused to let the planned search proceed.

Aruban prosecutor Taco Stein admitted to The Enquirer: "We never thoroughly searched the Bubali pond area. We looked there, but there was never an exhaustive search."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8987.msg1268648#msg1268648

texasmom

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 02:03:20 PM

Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Rudy Croes … Aruba Breaks Ties with Netherlands
Posted June 2, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/02/rudy-croes-aruba-breaks-ties-with-netherlands/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 02:07:08 PM

We Never had a Chance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it

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Name: Beth Ann Holloway
Date: 01 June 2005 / 10:30
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Baldrik
Description: witness statement
______

1. The Statement

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 76: Detective Jacobs says he will only take my statement, not the others.

Page 77: At what seems like one letter at a time, Jacobs types in Dutch what I say to him in English. It's tedious. Arduous. Downright painful. It's a very, very, very slow process ...

I explain finding the car she was seen getting into parked at the van der Sloot home. I review the dramatic encounter in the van der Sloot front year in the wee hours of Tuesday morning during which Joran described his sexual activites with Natalee as she was falling asleep and walking up. Falling asleep and waking up. How he described her as drunk.

Describing the reencactment that followed at the Holiday Inn, I relate how Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot specifically showed me exactly where they left Natalee. I give the names and include elaborate detailed physical descriptions of all those present for this demonstration. I tell how Joran and Deepak said she stumbled and bumped her head, how she refused help from them and went inside the lobby.

For two hour I talk. He types. Jug comes in to check on me. A little while later Jodi comes in, then leaves again. I am still talking, and the detective is still typing. I've been here for a total of four hours when we finally finish with my statement.

At the conclusion, Jacobs calls in another detective, a young uniformed officer, and gives him some verbal directions in Papiamento. The young officer turns to me and begins to read my statement back to me, from Dutch to English. When he gets to the last word he looks at me and asks, "Are these your words?' And I respond in the affirmative. But I am not allowed a copy.

2. Minor Revisions

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 88/89: At the restaurant I order a meal, but only eat a bite or two. The others have worked up an appetite, and the meal is a good time for everyone to regroup before the calls start coming in again tonight. As dinner concludes, detective Jacobs appears at our table. He’s holding official documents. Surprised to see him here at ten o’oclock at night, we invite him to sit down, hoping he has some pertinent information about Natalee. The detective says he just wants me to sign a new statement.

Jug immediately asks him, “What’s the difference between this one and one she gave you this morning?’

Jacobs says that some dates were wrong and have been corrected, and he needs my signature on the new corrected copy.

The document is in Dutch, which is Greek to me. I have no idea what it says. I can’t tell if it’s different from the one the young officer read to me this morning, which I signed, or not. But all I have to rely on is the Aruban police process, so I gladly submit to his request and sign every single page. Desperate, I will do anything they ask. Maybe I can get a copy of this one. I’ll worry about having it translated later. For now, I will trust.

3. Not my Words!!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189: After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 03:42:03 PM

The Statement

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182/183: The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs. He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda. But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ... I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten. ....

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 03:46:03 PM

She isn't Coming Home

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 198: The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee. People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it. But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me. It’s the milestones. Natalee would be looking forward to her winter break after her first semester at college. But she isn’t coming home from college for Christmas. She isn’t coming home.

It isn't Easy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It’s not easy. I ask God to help me

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 03:50:58 PM

The Jawbone - Another Emotional Roller Coaster Ride

November 23, 2010
More Heartache for Natalee Holloway's Family

Dave Holloway thanked everyone for their support and says “we remain hopeful that some day we will find the answer to the whereabouts of our daughter, Natalee Holloway”.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/23/more-heartache-for-natalee-holloways-family/

Is She Dead? Is She Alive?

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 42: I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughter’s body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 04:24:46 PM

ANXIOUS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS

Friday, November 19, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mother issues statement on jawbone testing

Natalee’s mother released this statement today:

"There is no good answer, whether it is Natalee or whether it isn't. But no answer at all is the most unbearable. We appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments."

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/11/natalee-holloways-mother-issues.html

RELATIVES WILL BE INFORMED FIRST

Jawbone belongs to a young female’
19 Nov, 2010, 13:25 (GMT -04:00)

Stein says that based on the result, the OM will ‘consider’ what will be made known to the media and that any relatives will be informed first. “You can imagine the Holloway-family is having a hard time now.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_81262.php

PAINFUL VIGIL

Beth Holloway releases statement
Last Update: 11/23 1:56 pm

"Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results. Apparently Aruban prosecutors were more sensitive to media concerns than the painful vigil of a mother."

John Q. Kelly, Attorney for Beth Holloway

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-releases-statement/ycgpabf4TEyB5HpVZoCQDA.cspx

THE ANXIETY WAS UNBELIEVABLE

NANCY GRACE
Jawbone Found Not Natalee Holloway`s
Aired November 23, 2010 – 20:00:00 ET

LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S AUNT (via telephone): Well, I did get a chance to talk to Dave several times today, and we were just — the anxiety was unbelievable this morning, anticipating what the results were going to be. And we, you know, just again, were almost flabbergasted to hear the news at the same time that everybody else did, that there was no phone call made prior to Dave and Robin or to Beth saying, you know, We`ve gotten the results and it`s not Natalee`s DNA. And so we were just kind of really shocked about the way that it was handled. And I know Dave and Robin are really disappointed and were looking for some closure, and it didn`t happen today.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/23/ng.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 04:40:20 PM

THE JAWBONE

Dave Holloway - In Contact with Aruban Authorities

Results Expected Soon on Jawbone Possibly Linked to Natalee Holloway
18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared during a trip to Aruba in 2005
KTLA
4:52 p.m. PST, November 22, 2010

Tim Miller, director of Texas EquuSearch -- a search-and-rescue organization that has looked for Natalee Holloway -- said the girl's father believes it is his daughter's bone.

"Dave has been in contact with Aruban authorities and spoke with FBI this morning, the agent working the case. Dave believes it is Natalee," Miller said about Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-aruba-bone-fragments-natalee-holloway,0,5323920.story

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 04:52:01 PM

HOME BY CHRISTMAS

Magnolia
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #852 11/20/10 -
« Reply #913 on: November 23, 2010, 02:12:33 AM »

CBS42 Birmingham just had the report...they had Jossy on the phone. He said
that Hurricane Tomas was powerful enough to completely reverse the currents
in the ocean. Instead of taking things out to sea, it washed things into shore.

Then Tim Miller was on by phone. He said that this bone probably came from
one of his previously located 141 targets and the strong current let some of
the small bones escape the container. He said by following the currents they
can narrow the targets down to about 50 instead of 141 and locate the one
holding the rest of the remains. He said that they have a boat in Trinadad onstandby ready to go and retrieve the targets and they hope to have all of Natalee's remains home by Christmas. He said the search will begin in less than two weeks.

Tim Miller said that he has been in constant contact with Dave and Dave is
cautiously optimistic.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8964.900

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 04, 2010, 05:01:08 PM

Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 11:38:40 PM

I Drove Away Not Knowing

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 14-15: On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 11:41:31 PM

NATALEE'S STEPFATHER

We Can Fix Her

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 7, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF MISSING GIRL: I hope, I pray to God that she walks through that door or that we find her somewhere. I don`t care if she`s, you know, in a crack house somewhere and she`s been drugged up for, you know, seven days or whatever. We can work with that. We can fix her. We can do whatever to get her back.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/07/ng.01.html

Just Like All Parents

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 114/115: Since entrusting Natalee's care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it. Nothing in my dreams is worse than my waking hours. Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare. No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect. After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleased at the Cross, and it is a being of its own. It can soothe me, and it can torment me. It empowers me. Yet I throw things when I'm alone in the room. Shoes, Apples from a fruit basket. Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes. Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag. Over and over I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee's room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table. We keep the light on. Just like all parents do when they're waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes. And tomorrow and the next day and the next we'll put on our game faces and do it all over again until we find her.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 08, 2010, 11:42:25 PM

Sad News from Mountain Brook, AL … Jug and Beth Twitty Divorcing
Posted January 5, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

168. JUG TWITTY on January 8th, 2007 9:27 am

I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH,MATT,AND NATALEE.I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM.I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERYNIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 07:15:17 PM

Quote from: texasmom on December 10, 2010, 06:35:06 PM

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/zaak-holloway-veel-vragen-nog-onbeantwoord

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82159.php

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 07:20:55 PM

Undermining of the integrity of Beth and Jug was an intregal part of the Aruban misinformation campaign which was established early on to distance Joran from implication in the events that encompassing the disappearance of Natalee ... the misinformation campaign that those within the Aruban investigation and those within the Aruban government attempted to further.

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Gerold Dompig

Beth Twitty is part of the investigation and owes Aruba some explanations
According to Commissioner Dompig
A.M. Digital
10/26/2005

This mother can tell us about her last contact with her daughter. Unfortunately she continues to bash Aruba out there, and does not want to return to help with the investigation. On the other hand the investigating team has good contacts with the father, Dave Holloway, who is helping with the investigation.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html

Disappearance
Missing White Female
by Bryan Burrough
January 2006

Gerold Dompig:

"We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=6

Commissioner Dompig will ask for Natalee Holloway’s classmates to break their silence
DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.

If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.html

Rudy Croes

Amigoe, Friday 30 September 2005

According to Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP), there is not much that can be done against Twitty’s attitude. He says that declaring her as persona non grata is no option. The American media would blow that up and it can fire back at us.

She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that.

Many Aruban people are very angry with Twitty and are afraid that her constant appeals against Aruba would have a negative effect on the tourism. Even though this does not reflect in the figures, the government does keep a finger on the pulse. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility TO SHUT HER UP IN THE FUTURE. The Dutch government was asked to diplomatically support Aruba in this matter.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1694

Karin Janssen

Jug Twitty Lashes Out at the Prosecutor
Wednesday, September 28, 2005

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The two of you got into it a little bit on the 28th, and she’s cut you off. But when she met with Dave, Natalee’s father, for four hours, did she talk about the investigation for Natalee, or did it go off on collateral issues?

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE'S STEPFATHER: No. She talked about the issues as far as Natalee, you know, having problems with her family with Beth and I or with her father, or whatever. Of course, all this stuff was talked about way early on in the investigation. She talked about $1 million life insurance policy on Natalee, which is just crazy. She talked about my brother being in the banking business, being in money laundering. And I mean, I just don’t know where this stuff’s coming from, Greta. It’s like she’s not even trying to find out the answers, she’s trying to find out everything, you know, that could be wrong, as far as our family goes. You know, it drives me crazy.

... Yes, she basically tells me, you know, this is the same thing as Van Der Straaten. You know, you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit. And you know, I said, Well, that’s a great attitude to have.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170678,00.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 07:22:14 PM

THE INTERNATIONAL CALLING ISSUE

Beth Holloway

'The Abrams Report' for April 19
updated 4/20/2006 10:28:41 AM ET

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: Beth, any truth to this, I don't know if it's rumor or report, et cetera, that Natalee had said something to you about having a crush on a blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Aruba?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:: Dan, there's just—there's no truth to that at all. You know Natalee had not called me. She didn't have international calling on her phone and no she never—her friends said that this never happened, it was never mentioned. And just simply it's just another rumor that had started and it's just not true, Dan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12405242/

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 31: Clutching both portraits, Jug and I drive to the private hangar at the far side of the Birmingham airport. On the way I contact Cingular Wireless and have international calling activated on my cell. I activate Natalee's too. If she has hers with her, she can call me now. If she had had international calling last night, she could have called someone for help. Why didn't we do this before she left? I feel such regret

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 10, 2010, 07:54:21 PM

Anita van der Sloot and Rene Gielen possess hearts of stone. Both are void of a conscience.

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Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008

(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is. And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us. I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 03:12:59 PM

‘Natalee did not want to go home’
10 Dec, 2010, 12:04 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Beginning next year, documentary producer Renée Gielen will be publishing the book ‘I don’t want to go home’ on the disappearance of the American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005. Her book, which she by her own account says it answers 99 percent of the unanswered questions, states that Natalee had left Aruba alive. With this, she elaborates on a film that she had published two years ago. This film departs from the involvement of the Holloway family with the disappearance. Apparently, there’s a passengers’ list from a private aircraft that was on the island at the time of the disappearance, mentioning Natalee’s name. That is the proof she had left the island alive, according to Gielen. Although she has witnesses who declare that this list exists, the list itself never turned up. Moreover, the witnesses do not wish their names to be revealed, or tell their story before the camera.
“I don’t want to go home’ will be published on the American market first. “ The book is a recording of my experience and my search into what has happened. However, in the book I will also include all documents and photographs that were not published before.”

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 03:17:34 PM

It is obvious that in January, 2008 .... Renée Gielen, Julia Renfro, Anita van der Sloot, Rudy Croes and Castillo/Young were in cahoots in regards to the upcoming documentary "The Other Side of the Holloway Case".

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Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008

(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?

Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is. And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us. I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

Amgoe - January 17, 2008

ORANJESTAD — ... (Rudy) Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 03:19:07 PM

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .

“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”

VIDEO TAPE

So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.

The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.

Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.

That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.

MEDPLANE

They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.

SECRET EXIT

The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.

Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.

Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”

She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.

TELEPHONE CALL

The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.

When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.

But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.

ALBERTO G.

Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.

JORAN

If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .

Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”

In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.

ENORMOUS PRESSURE

Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”

STEPFATHER

Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”

But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.

It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.

The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.

NOT ON FBI LIST

The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 03:20:37 PM

Prior to the July, 2008 release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Holloway Case"

Renee Gielen Interviews Dave Holloway April 30, 2008

From BFN

This afternoon Dave was interviewed by Renee Gielen for her documentary. He agreed to the interview to set the record straight.

The meeting went well and Dave pretty much countered all the "disinformation" that has been put out there.

They talked about the investigation, the boycott, the "rehab story" and many others issues.

Dave talked to her about Natalee, her personality, her visits and what a wonderful young lady she was.

As far as the investigation, he stated, as he always has, that he felt that certain person stood in the way of resolution... one being Dennis Jacobs.

They also talked about the cab driver / blue eyed blond dutch boy story... about how could the cab driver remember who he had in in cab when, how he did not come forward with the "story" until many days later. He asked Renee to describe her waiter from a restaurant she ate ate the day before... knowing that you do not pay attention or remember these things.

She asked about the Foundations and their purpose which he explained, which we already know.

She also asked him about the birthmark, rehab , Beth's arrival on Aruba, the medjet.... see a pattern forming here?

Dave did comment that Renee was very nice during the interview.

Robin has also promised to tell us more about the interview when she hears all about it.

-- Posted by Debbie BFN

Heli/RU

Following the July release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Case".

Geraldo At Large - July 21, 2007

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Geraldo, there's a group of people, individuals on the island, reporters, disgruntled aruban police investigators and the privately operated tourism department that are engaged in a disinformation campaign in an attempt …

GERALDO : And this is part of it Dave

HOLLOWAY: Yeah, they're in an attempt to minimize Natalee's disappearance on Aruba's image and tourism …

Transcript: Heli - RU

Mark Purcell/MIP6 - July 21, 2007

"Well i guess my days of helping have come to an end if this is truly how Dave feels. I guess providing information that goes against the grain of what the 'family' wants to be true is considered miss-information. Cool...finished/done."

BFN

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 04:49:12 PM

::MonkeyNoNo::

Amigoe
November 17, 2007

Mother wanted to hide Natalee Holloway’s rehabilitation past

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway that disappeared 2.5 years ago in Aruba, has done everything to hide the drug addiction past of her daughter.

Documentary maker Renée Gielen came to this conclusion. As a result of Beth Twitty’s recently published book, ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she threw herself even more empathetically into the case. She bases herself on declarations of Jug Twitty’s search in and around cholhouses in Aruba at that time. By now, Jug Twitty is the ex-husband of Beth. When Jug was asked why he was doing that, he said: “Because Natalee was recently in drug rehab in the US.”

THIS IS WRONG

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?” For Gielen, who already has dozens of hours of visual material and is working on a documentary, this is reason for her to soon travel to the United States and go further into the Holloway-case.

Documentary maker to the US for ‘real story’ on Holloway

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – “When I looked her in the eyes, I knew that something was not right, and from that moment on, I ducked down in the case; and I am still on it”, says documentary maker Renée Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen ducked down into one of worlds most discussed disappearance cases two-and-a-half years ago and was especially moved by the strange behavior of Natalee’s mother, whom she interviewed in June of 2005 in the Holiday Inn Hotel in Aruba for the Dutch TV-program TweeVandaag. “At that time, I didn’t know yet what I saw in her eyes; one thing I knew, I didn’t have a sad mother sitting in front of me. I know now what I saw then: a mother with a lot of problems.”

Gielen, who lives and works in Curacao, came earlier this year with video-recordings including declarations of persons involved, which put the case in a new light. Amigoe reported this and the Dutch current affairs programme Network broadcasted it thereupon. As a result of the recently published book of Beth Twitty ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she’s now working on a documentary with new material on tape, together with Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente, and Suzanne Jansen.

Gielen is now getting ready to go to the United States for further inquiry. She describes Beth’s book as ‘an image building story with a first class rabble-rousing’.

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here.” That confirmed her suspicions. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?”

IDEAL DAUGHTER

Gielen points out that Natalee was never put on FBI’s official list of missing persons. She also says that the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn that shows a blond woman, was not sent to the Forensic Institution in Rijswijk, because Twitty said that the woman was not Natalee. Gielen says that she has information that reveals that Natalee did not at all meet the image that her mother Beth likes to portray her: the dream daughter, a virgin that has never done something wrong in her life, doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, has never experimented with drugs; the Christian girl that in all sorts of manners propagated her biblical ideas in volunteer work and was an example for all other young persons.

According to Gielen, the truth is the reverse of all of the above. Natalee has even been in a drug rehabilitation clinic right before she came to Aruba. The girl had such a good time in Aruba that she didn’t want to leave the island. Natalee had the male persons present ‘lick her belly jellies’ on the bar, was smoking dope on the beach, and her girlfriends even warned her not to drink so much, recites Gielen. Natalee’s ‘addiction’ was brought up in an interview that Gielen has on tape, with the Aruban taxi driver Trina (for her protection no family name), who also appears in the book (as the only taxi driver) called by her first name. She tells Gielen that when Beth’s by now second ex-husband and his friend Mitch were in her Taxi, they asked her if she can take them to cholhouses on the island. “When she asked why, they told her that Natalee has recently been in rehab in the US”, said Gielen.

Gielen dares to say that in the days, months, and by now years after the disappearance of her daughter, Beth Twitty wants just one thing: disguise Natalee’s outrageous behavior and the way she disappeared. She only needed one thing for that: a whipping boy. And that was Joran van der Sloot, the boy with whom she was seen last, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it. Gielen says that Joran made the mistake by the first instance lie about leaving Natalee behind. “Besides, he writes that in his book, in which he does not spare himself.”

BE NO GOOD

The assertions of Beth Twitty in the course of time confirm the idea that she has played a peculiar part. Gielen names a few examples. “Twitty manages to say in interviews – FOX News, Geraldo – that the Dutch government has used the tragic occurrences around hurricane Katrina to release the suspects in Aruba in September of 2005. ‘Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government’, she added.” Twitty asserts in the same interview that there are five declarations in which Joran van der Sloot admits having had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee became unconscious so now and then, while these declarations do not exist, says Gielen. “You must have a lot of courage, when you write in your book that during a meeting in Aruba with Ahata, you make the statement that everything was a cover-up from Aruba’s side and that the then chairman of Ahata would have whispered ‘yes, that’s correct’, while you can count that this can be checked, which I did”, says Gielen.

Twitty writes that the Strategic Communications Task Force that Aruba established, was done ‘to combat the negative media and to combat us’. “A member of the task force contradicts this and says that the task force has always tried not to take an extreme position. In the beginning, the strategic task force has even set herself up as liaison for her. They fixed hotels for her and facilitated her press conferences. They have even collected money.”

The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website – that nuanced her often unfounded statements and accusations that caused the island harm – as an attack on her.

Gielen also quotes that Twitty has repeatedly insinuated that her daughter had no bankcard with her, ‘because it was in her bedroom in Alabama’. “This while Jug Twitty –Natalee’s stepfather, whom Beth has meanwhile divorced – and a friend were talking in a taxi about Natalee withdrawing money twice since her disappearance, after which they have blocked her account.”

Beth writes in her book that she felt threatened by Charles Croes, who as owner of a ‘rental cell phone company’, was real fast involved with the case and offered help on all fronts. Beth says that he has pose as ‘clairvoyant’ and supposedly has asked her about her sex life when he was alone with her in the car. A girlfriend had rescued her just in time. “These are not the only insults of Twitty to Croes’ address. Croes tells his story in an interview I had with him recently, and that is completely different. Besides, Croes confirms Twitty’s ties with the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ‘I have very long fingers that can reach all the way to the White House’. It already appeared earlier that via Jug, Beth had contacts with Condoleezza Rice, who, via the Dutch Justice-minister, managed to have Aruba make the case a ‘high profile one’.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/mailbag-time.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 08:52:29 PM

THIS ROLLER COASTER RIDE

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

Beth: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null

Dismissed!

Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff

By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention, these crimes now have been dismissed.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html

He Told Her Face to Face

Aruba ends probe into Holloway disappearance
12/18/2007

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was "terribly disappointed" that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for her.

"She was very hopeful the last couple weeks, and she went down there and met with the prosecutor," Tillman said. "He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."

"So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing," she said

updated 12/18/2007 1:55:35 PM ET 2007-12-18T18:55:35

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 09:07:08 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22312287/ns/world_news-americas

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 09:07:45 PM

Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM

Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php

Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff

Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:00:06 AM

Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on December 18, 2010, 02:03:54 PM

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=1

Beth Holloway Presentation FREE EVENT
12/5/2010

The Waterford Police Department is partnering with Waterford Youth Services and the Waterford School system to present guest speaker Beth Holloway. The presentation, which will be held January 13th, 2011 at the Waterford High School, is free of charge. Tickets can be obtained at the Waterford Youth Services building, located at 200 Boston Post Road. Further details are listed below.

To view full size printable flyer of event click HERE

(http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/holloway.jpg)

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:00:01 PM

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

yw

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:02:48 PM

Waiting for justice to prevail for Natalee Holloway and now Stephany Flores at times seems so futile. My heart breaks for their respective families.

However ... there is a day coming when arrogant Joran van der Sloot will stand alone before The Judge of all judges and ... The Judge of all judges will not be mocked. In His awesome presence ... Joran will finally bow in genuine repentance but ... it will be too late. The words "You knew me not yesterday; I know you not today" will echo.

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SEPTEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

DECEMBER, 2010

Van der Sloot not Peru's most notorious prisoner
Last Update: 9:33 am

Meanwhile, down the road at Castro Castro, Joran van der Sloot is still awaiting word his appeal to have his murder confession thrown out of court. His lawyers charge both coercion and procedural improprieties to his confession he murdered 21 year old Stephany Flores after she found material about Natalee Holloway on his computer. Flores corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a high school trip to Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-most-notorious-prisoner/WbjNq4sK0U6QzOspmsOJhA.cspx

Lives like a King

Ricardo Flores

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:07:56 PM

Beth Holloway's example in regards to inner strength and determination that allows her to follow through with goals is an inspiration to me.

Psalm 28:
The LORD is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped.

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2005

THE WORK YET TO BE DONE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189: It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it. I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208-209: The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Bad things happen everywhere. But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families. When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted. We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue. But that's terribly naive ...

2010

MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:09:46 PM

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:19:01 PM

The Speech

CNN LIVE TODAY
Missing in Aruba
Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00 ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.

I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:22:26 PM

I'm Done.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this. She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says. Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling. I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul. None of them have this information. So we tell the media it must be a rumor. But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true. So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free. And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights. It has been ninety-five. And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over. Tears fall hard. "I'm done, Helen. I'm done. No justice for Natalee in Aruba. I'm done."

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:29:46 PM

I Wish

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 58: Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59: Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair. As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair. “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60: He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back. He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.” And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes. Then an hour. I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison. I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up. “You can’t sit in the gravel like this. Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.

Contacts to Assist

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:34:51 PM

2007

Others Might Learn

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

Conscious Decision to Stay Safe

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups. This translates to thousands of youths and adults. Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation. If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work. I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience. If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe. They have to make the choice. And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself. I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me. And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves. But we all have to make hard choices. Every day.

2010

I Stay Focused

Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway: What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family. So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t. I can’t get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:37:40 PM

HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT AGAIN

Jan vander Straaten foolishly believed that Joran van der Sloot's official statements to interrogators would never surface when he lied to Jug Twitty ... the stepfather of Natalee Holloway. This chief of police should have thought again if he thought even for one minute that the cover up agenda established early on to protect Joran would prevail. Obviously this man underestimated the resolve of a determined family. Beth Holloway warned the Aruban Prime Minister if it took 40 years for the truth to prevail ... she promised to be an ongoing force to be reckoned with.

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Something is Wrong Here

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

<snipped>

The reporting officers

D.D. JACOBS L.A.G.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

As Long As I Can

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Tues., Oct. 25, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: ... I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:41:11 PM

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:42:26 PM

Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway

Exerpts:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.'

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

'Tell me what happen. Let me take her home.'

September, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:43:58 PM

In a nutshell Dave and Beth's respective books provide a great foundational knowledge to build on for further research in regards to the Natalee Holloway story. Natalee's parents share with readers their thoughts regarding the Aruban investigation as well as their experiences on the Island following the disappearance of their daughter.

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ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:44:57 PM

DAVE HOLLOWAY

A Father's First Impression

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9: In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10: While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist ...

I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16: During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s ...

Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

I Can No Longer Sit On The Fence

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 194: On November 8, 2005, Alabama Governor Bob Rile held a televised press conference with Beth and Jug Twitty at his side during which he called for a travel boycott of Aruba. He also urged all fifty states to back him in the boycott, stating, "Until their lack of law enforcement practices can be evalutation, and until they offer some resolution in the Natalee's case, tourists are not safe in Aruba or any Dutch Territories."

Page 195: While I still had mixed feelings about a boycott, I stood strong in supporting my government in any decisions they made. The people of Aruba have elected their officials, and their officials have spoken. We elect our officials, and they have decided what is necessary for the people.

Page 196: I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue. It has not been an easy decision for me to make. But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position. In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba. Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott. However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott. I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:46:28 PM

Julia Renfro - Renee Gielen - Hearts of Stone

Lexy Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:44 pm

NATALEE HOLLOWAY THE UNREVEALED TIME LINES

Julia Renfro:- She asked the world to hit Aruba in the pockets, she asked the world not to travel to Aruba... She said Aruba was "seedy", dangerous and corrupt for the world to hear. She tried to steal the food off the Aruban families' tables, the books from the Aruban schools, 40% of the Police budget and millions of dollars were spent looking for her daughter, yet Beth signed a release waiver in Alabama releasing the travel agent from responsibility if something were to happen to her. The truth is, Beth sent her minor child to a foreign country to drink and co-ed party unsupervised. She signed the Release, she let her go, she is responsible. Don't give her a voice unless she is there to apologize to the good people of Aruba for the damage she did to this island.

Renee Gielen:- I do not only agree with Julia, but there is much more.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/post-1025030.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 19, 2010, 11:54:52 PM

Amigoe
November 17, 2007

Mother wanted to hide Natalee Holloway’s rehabilitation past

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway that disappeared 2.5 years ago in Aruba, has done everything to hide the drug addiction past of her daughter.

Documentary maker Renée Gielen came to this conclusion. As a result of Beth Twitty’s recently published book, ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she threw herself even more empathetically into the case. She bases herself on declarations of Jug Twitty’s search in and around cholhouses in Aruba at that time. By now, Jug Twitty is the ex-husband of Beth. When Jug was asked why he was doing that, he said: “Because Natalee was recently in drug rehab in the US.”

THIS IS WRONG

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?” For Gielen, who already has dozens of hours of visual material and is working on a documentary, this is reason for her to soon travel to the United States and go further into the Holloway-case.

Documentary maker to the US for ‘real story’ on Holloway

WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – “When I looked her in the eyes, I knew that something was not right, and from that moment on, I ducked down in the case; and I am still on it”, says documentary maker Renée Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen ducked down into one of worlds most discussed disappearance cases two-and-a-half years ago and was especially moved by the strange behavior of Natalee’s mother, whom she interviewed in June of 2005 in the Holiday Inn Hotel in Aruba for the Dutch TV-program TweeVandaag. “At that time, I didn’t know yet what I saw in her eyes; one thing I knew, I didn’t have a sad mother sitting in front of me. I know now what I saw then: a mother with a lot of problems.”

Gielen, who lives and works in Curacao, came earlier this year with video-recordings including declarations of persons involved, which put the case in a new light. Amigoe reported this and the Dutch current affairs programme Network broadcasted it thereupon. As a result of the recently published book of Beth Twitty ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she’s now working on a documentary with new material on tape, together with Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente, and Suzanne Jansen.

Gielen is now getting ready to go to the United States for further inquiry. She describes Beth’s book as ‘an image building story with a first class rabble-rousing’.

“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here.” That confirmed her suspicions. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?”

IDEAL DAUGHTER

Gielen points out that Natalee was never put on FBI’s official list of missing persons. She also says that the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn that shows a blond woman, was not sent to the Forensic Institution in Rijswijk, because Twitty said that the woman was not Natalee. Gielen says that she has information that reveals that Natalee did not at all meet the image that her mother Beth likes to portray her: the dream daughter, a virgin that has never done something wrong in her life, doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, has never experimented with drugs; the Christian girl that in all sorts of manners propagated her biblical ideas in volunteer work and was an example for all other young persons.

According to Gielen, the truth is the reverse of all of the above. Natalee has even been in a drug rehabilitation clinic right before she came to Aruba. The girl had such a good time in Aruba that she didn’t want to leave the island. Natalee had the male persons present ‘lick her belly jellies’ on the bar, was smoking dope on the beach, and her girlfriends even warned her not to drink so much, recites Gielen. Natalee’s ‘addiction’ was brought up in an interview that Gielen has on tape, with the Aruban taxi driver Trina (for her protection no family name), who also appears in the book (as the only taxi driver) called by her first name. She tells Gielen that when Beth’s by now second ex-husband and his friend Mitch were in her Taxi, they asked her if she can take them to cholhouses on the island. “When she asked why, they told her that Natalee has recently been in rehab in the US”, said Gielen.

Gielen dares to say that in the days, months, and by now years after the disappearance of her daughter, Beth Twitty wants just one thing: disguise Natalee’s outrageous behavior and the way she disappeared. She only needed one thing for that: a whipping boy. And that was Joran van der Sloot, the boy with whom she was seen last, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it. Gielen says that Joran made the mistake by the first instance lie about leaving Natalee behind. “Besides, he writes that in his book, in which he does not spare himself.”

BE NO GOOD

The assertions of Beth Twitty in the course of time confirm the idea that she has played a peculiar part. Gielen names a few examples. “Twitty manages to say in interviews – FOX News, Geraldo – that the Dutch government has used the tragic occurrences around hurricane Katrina to release the suspects in Aruba in September of 2005. ‘Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government’, she added.” Twitty asserts in the same interview that there are five declarations in which Joran van der Sloot admits having had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee became unconscious so now and then, while these declarations do not exist, says Gielen. “You must have a lot of courage, when you write in your book that during a meeting in Aruba with Ahata, you make the statement that everything was a cover-up from Aruba’s side and that the then chairman of Ahata would have whispered ‘yes, that’s correct’, while you can count that this can be checked, which I did”, says Gielen.

Twitty writes that the Strategic Communications Task Force that Aruba established, was done ‘to combat the negative media and to combat us’. “A member of the task force contradicts this and says that the task force has always tried not to take an extreme position. In the beginning, the strategic task force has even set herself up as liaison for her. They fixed hotels for her and facilitated her press conferences. They have even collected money.”

The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website – that nuanced her often unfounded statements and accusations that caused the island harm – as an attack on her.

Gielen also quotes that Twitty has repeatedly insinuated that her daughter had no bankcard with her, ‘because it was in her bedroom in Alabama’. “This while Jug Twitty –Natalee’s stepfather, whom Beth has meanwhile divorced – and a friend were talking in a taxi about Natalee withdrawing money twice since her disappearance, after which they have blocked her account.”

Beth writes in her book that she felt threatened by Charles Croes, who as owner of a ‘rental cell phone company’, was real fast involved with the case and offered help on all fronts. Beth says that he has pose as ‘clairvoyant’ and supposedly has asked her about her sex life when he was alone with her in the car. A girlfriend had rescued her just in time. “These are not the only insults of Twitty to Croes’ address. Croes tells his story in an interview I had with him recently, and that is completely different. Besides, Croes confirms Twitty’s ties with the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ‘I have very long fingers that can reach all the way to the White House’. It already appeared earlier that via Jug, Beth had contacts with Condoleezza Rice, who, via the Dutch Justice-minister, managed to have Aruba make the case a ‘high profile one’.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/mailbag-time.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 20, 2010, 12:02:09 AM

MAY 30, 2005 – MAY 31, 2005

FEARED THE WORST, BUT PRAYED FOR A MIRACLE

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6: On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama. But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7: Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight. I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day. Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls. I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane. I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear. It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened. I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle. I hung up the phone and broke down .....

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Post by: Tamikosmom on December 20, 2010, 12:03:25 AM

MAY 30, 2005

The Proverbial Dreaded Phone Call

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23: Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her. I take the backseat. We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon. Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures. Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these. Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi. Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl. "Mrs. Twitty? My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you." It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent. She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba. They are in Birmingham. It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know. It's more than a mother's intuition. It's certainty. Something terrible has happened. I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive. The one we fear from the moment our children are born. The one that changes a parent's life forever.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 28, 2010, 03:27:19 PM

Quote from: private eye on December 27, 2010, 12:37:40 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 27, 2010, 12:19:43 PM

Imagine

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever. How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong. Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

Mom is Right; God is Good

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 103: I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit. Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible. Mom is right; God is good. All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over. Not the work that has to be done. Just the burden. I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained. And I am renewed, resilient. Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me. I will pick up one foot and put it down. Then the other one will follow. I will breathe. There is much to be done.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on December 28, 2010, 03:29:09 PM

Imagine

Beth Holloway - In Person and In Her Own Words

When her daughter went missing in Aruba, her life changed forever. How does one muster the courage to persevere in the face of sheer adversity? Do we all have the capacity to overcome tragedy? How does one keep going? You will be uplifed by the remarkable story of Beth Holloway. How does she stay strong. Imagine being able to apply her philosophies of courage, dedication, faith and strength to your own life.

http://waterfordpolice.org/cms/images/forms/bethholloway2_1.pdf

I Never Ask Him Why

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 100: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God. And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes. Complete peace blankets me, and I am still. It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now. It comes in total stillness. Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night. I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years. Now I must trust Him to care for her. So I never ask Him why. Why Natalee? Why me? I don't ask. To do that undermines faith. Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside. God never questioned me when she was in my care. I must not question Him. I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me. He knows her very well. And she knows Him.

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Natalee

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

In Natalee's Room

Page 1-2: It's early morning, and the house is quiet. I'm still lying in bed, eyes closed. I don't want to open them, because when I do, I'll have to face the day I've dreaded the most for the past twenty months. Today I have to pack up Natalee's things for the last time. Today I will have to say the final good-bye. And I'm not ready.

Eyes still closed, I hear an occasional car pass in front of the house. Another one stops across the street, and I hear the car door open, letting music and cheerful muffled voices escape for a moment. Then close again. The stillness in the house is interrupted by the harmonious tapping of little paws as Macy the dog and Carl the cat move across the hardwood floors. Stopping for a moment. Then tapping again. The cold morning brings the sounds of life's activities as people step into another day of their routines.

Maybe if I don't open my eyes this day will just pass and I won't have to face what I have to do. The painful inevitable chore that has been looming over me since my beautiful daughter, Natalee disappeared on the last night of her senior high school trip to Aruba. The day has come to take her room apart and box it up. I have to go through her belongings, which have remained untouched since she left home on May 26, 2005. The movers will be here day after tomorrow.

Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact. Not my career. Not my home. Not my marriage. My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years. My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days. I have a lot to do.

I manage to swing my legs off the bed and sit up. Reluctantly, I open my eyes and sit on the edge for a few moments. I feel like concrete. Heavy. Very heavy. Finally I stand up and slowly walk a half dozen steps or so down the short hall and turn right at Natalee's bedroom doorway ...

Page 16: I'm glad I'm alone to recount the events that have brought me to this place on this morning, preparing to pack up and leave this house and Mountain Brook. Standing in the doorway of Natalee's room, I unwillingly step inside to the center of it, look around slowly, take it all in. In what feels like slow motion, I bend my knees until they touch the floor, rest my hands on the light cream-colored rug in front of me, and roll over onto my right side. Curling up in a fetal position, my head tucked down, arms crossing over my chest, I close my eyes again. And the cry I have fought off for almost two years finally comes. The final good-bye cry. And it comes hard. From somewhere deep, deep inside me. And it feels as if it will never stop. As if the pain can never be contained again.

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NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT
Loving Natalee
http://tickets.crimemuseum.org/retail/Books/Non-Fiction/LovingNataleeBook.aspx

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Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2011, 07:25:23 PM

JORAN - A PARTICIPANT FURTHING ARUBA'S UNDERGROUND ECONOMIES

Joran van der Sloot's age implies he should never have been allowed on the premises of the Excelsior Casino. He should never have been allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies'. He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Radisson Casino. He should never have been allowed on the premises of the Wyndham Casino. Yet he was not only given access to these establishments ... given access to unsuspecting young women ... he was allowed to drink alcohol and gamble.

Why did Casino/Club management ... Paulus van der Sloot and ... Aruban authorities turn a blind eye to the illegal activities of underage Joran van der Sloot? Could it be that Joran was a participant ... a front ... a lure in the furthering of Aruba's underground economies?

Janet

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1.Joran, Deepak, Satish and Freddy - All are Participants

'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

2. Excelsior Casino - Paulus van der Sloot

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

3. Auban Authorities

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER- July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot. Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy: No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months. I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

4. Carlos N' Charlies'

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

5. Carlos N' Charlies' Night Club

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time. I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

6. Excelsior Casino

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39: Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron tdesk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here. The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran. He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here. He likes to prey on young female tourists. Especially the blonds. He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine."

7. Radisson Casino

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks. I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0

8. Tempting Poses

Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html

9. Carlos N' Charlies'

'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005

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TWITTY: You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details. You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment. I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D. If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists.

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe. They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598

10. Various Hotels

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=215.0

11. Excelsior Casino - Paulus van der Sloot

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 9/20/2005 9:33:56 AM ET

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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

12. Excelsior Casino

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM

February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.

The I-Team has learned that the casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.

Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.

In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case

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Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=investigative&id=3936339

Michael Posner Upset over Excelsior casino Security Tapes to ABC

Posted February 25, 2006 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/

s.t./yw

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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 12:43:16 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on January 12, 2012, 07:43:42 PM

Quote from: Tibrogargan on January 12, 2012, 06:45:11 PM

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/dutchman-very-sorry-for-murder/story-fn6ck55c-1226242231858

Dutchman 'very sorry' for murder

From: NewsCore
January 12, 2012 3:24AM

JORAN van der Sloot has pleaded guilty in a Peruvian court to killing a young woman in Lima in 2010.

Prosecutors are seeking 30 years in prison for the 24-year-old Dutchman, who is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005.

Wearing a light blue, untucked shirt and blue jeans, van der Sloot fidgeted and twiddled his thumbs as he waited for the start of the court session, which was delayed by his lawyer's late arrival.

"Yes, he said, standing at a microphone, "I want to accept the anticipated conclusion and as I was thinking from the first moment always to give my sincere confession," FOX News Channel reported.

"I am truly very sorry for what I have done. I feel very bad."

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Quote from: Northern Rose on January 11, 2012, 11:38:59 AM

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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 12:51:15 PM

Quote from: MuffyBee on January 06, 2012, 01:21:57 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/06/world/americas/peru-van-der-sloot-trial/?hpt=wo_c2
Van der Sloot postpones plea
January 6, 2012

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Joran van der Sloot appears in court Friday in Lima, Peru, to face charges in the 2010 death of a Peruvian woman.

Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
Published: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 2:51 PM
Updated: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 4:11 PM

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Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

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http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html

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Post by: Tamikosmom on January 13, 2012, 01:26:49 PM

Quote from: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:21:00 PM

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Joran's reaction the moment he heard he was sentenced to 28 years in a Peru prison

Quote from: Northern Rose on January 13, 2012, 01:20:12 PM

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http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3120242/2012/01/13/Liveblog-Buitenlander-Joran-moet-na-zijn-straf-Peru-uit.dhtml

Quote from: Kermit on January 13, 2012, 01:23:00 PM

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Joran began shaking his head back and forth NO NO as if in disbelief that he is being sentenced to 28 YEARS

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2012, 09:32:13 PM

THE APPEASING OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT?

A. THE PERUVIAN JUDICIAL SYSTEM - TAINTED WITH CORRUPTION

Judicial System

Individual Corruption

The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutionsin Peru. User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

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http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/

B. ASSURING THE SILENCE OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT?

Could it be that Dutch/Aruban forces are behind the scenes manpulating the Peruvian judicial process to provide Joran van der Sloot with favorable rulings ... favorable rulings that will appease the Peruvian people's cry for justice but ... at the same time will assure the silence of the evil one ... the evil one who has the ability to bring down those within the house of cards by exposing those who were behind the cover up/the corrupt Aruban investigation that ... from the getgo ... has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway?
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

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ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

C. FOOD FOR THOUGHT

1. Excessive Privileges Since Day One

Worldwide perception is that Peruvian prisions are H--- holes. However ... according to Stephany Flores' father ... Joran van der Sloot "lives like a king". Why? What entity has his back?
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Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

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After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

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"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html

2. No Life Sentence - A "Big Win" for Joran

The Peruvian prosecutor had the option of bringing charges against Joran van der Sloot that would have afforded him a life sentence if convicted. Instead the lesser charges which implied that Joran could be let loose on society in less than ten years. Joran's attorney considered the lesser charges a "big win" for his client.
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Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
Published on 17 September 2011 - 3:38pm

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At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

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http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
Published: 11/25/2011 9:44 am
Updated: 11/26/2011 8:25 am

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In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx

Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012

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Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he told the Lima newspaper El Comercio.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx

3. Peru-Netherlands Extradition Treaty

Could it be that Joran van der Sloot will be afforded a transfer to the Netherlands to serve out his 28 year sentence ... his 28 year sentence that can be translated into 9 years for the beyond brutal murder of Stephany Flores.
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Peru, Netherlands Agree Extradition Treaty

THE HAGUE, 14/05/11 - The Netherlands and Peru have agreed an extradition treaty. As a result, Joran van der Sloot may be able to serve his sentence in his own country.

Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal and his Peruvian opposite number Jose Antonio Garcia Belaunde signed a treaty on the transfer of sentenced persons and the enforcement of criminal judgments on Thursday. "The treaty allows residents of the Kingdom of the Netherlands who have been sentenced to prison by final and irrevocable judgment in Peru" to serve their sentence in the Netherlands, said Rosenthal.

Peruvians who are in prison in the Netherlands are also entitled to invoke the treaty. Both countries are under obligation to grant a detainee's request. The treaty will enter into force as soon as both parliaments have approved it.

The two ministers discussed, among other things, human rights, cooperation in efforts to stop drug trafficking, promotion of mutual investment and knowledge exchange in the areas of water management and cooperation in judicial and defence matters.

The foreign ministry says there are currently 117 Dutch nationals in Peruvian prisons. In 113 cases, they have been convicted of a drugs offence. The most well-known Dutch prisoner is Joran van der Sloot, in jail for the murder of a Peruvian girl.

Van der Sloot's case is not yet concluded. Depending on the sentence his client receives, his lawyer Maximo Altez does plan to make use of the new regulation.

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http://www.nisnews.nl/public/140511_4.htm

4. The Peruvian Supreme Court Extradition Ruling

When all is said and done ... the Peruvian Supeme court indirectly bowed to Joran van der Sloot when it ruled against immediate extradition to the States to face extradition charges. Less than one month prior ... Joran van der Sloots's attorney anticipated the court would rule in favor of an immediate extradition. In January ... Beth Holloway's attorney anticipated likewise.

Think about it. In 9-28 years ... the extortion case against Joran will in all probability be compromised. When deteriorating health and mortality that comes with the passage of time are considered will witnesses be available to testify on behalf of the State ... on behalf of Beth Holloway?
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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012

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Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

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http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

May 8, 2012 6:55pm
Joran Van Der Sloot’s Lawyer Says U.S. Extradition Inevitable

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ABC News’ Joe Goldman in Lima, Peru, reports:

The extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. on charges of wire fraud and extortion in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway will likely take place this summer, his lawyer told ABC News today.

“The power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,” Maximo Altez said in an exclusve interview with ABC News.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-says-u-s-extradition-inevitable/

Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
Jan. 13, 2012

Joran van der Sloot was sentenced today to 28 years in a Peruvian prison for strangling a woman there, and American officials are now expected to bring him to Alabama to face charges in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765

Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:46pm EDT

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Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

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The political process is rooted in the extradition treaty between the United States and Peru. The treaty allows a person who's convicted of a crime in Peru to be extradited to the United States to face prosecution for a separate crime.

If convicted and sentenced in the United States, the person would be sent back to Peru to finish his sentence, then extradited again to the United States to serve time there.

But Peru's Supreme Court apparently wants Joran van der Sloot to first serve out his Peruvian prison sentence before standing trial in the United States on lesser charges related to the Holloway case.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605

Van der Sloot Extradition Delayed
June 6, 2012

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The extradition ruling is important to Van der Sloot because it could affect how much time he spends in prison in Peru. Under usual circumstances, he could serve about one-third of his 28-year sentence before being released, less than 10 years.

But if he were to be extradited to the U.S. and convicted of another crime, that could lengthen the time he serves on his Peruvian sentence.

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http://crime.about.com/b/2012/06/06/van-der-sloot-extradition-delayed.htm

D. HOPE COMES, THEN GOES

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 36: Hope comes, then goes. But it's the constant waiting for the next wave to roll in, and reaching for each new sign of hope that will keep us going, as it brings with it the energy and encouragement needed to press on in our search for Natalee, even if only for a few moments at a time.

Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:46pm EDT

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Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605

Peru court: Van der Sloot's extradition after sentence
Must serve out his 28-year prison sentence
Updated: Monday, 04 Jun 2012, 1:15 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 04 Jun 2012, 11:28 AM CDT

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Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter.

Altez said his client would resist that..

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http://www.kxan.com/dpps/news/international/peru-court-says-van-der-sloots-extradition-after-sentence-wd12-jgr_4195028

s.t. - Received June 8/12

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 30, 2012, 12:57:00 AM

THE INTERVIEW

Peter Devries and Beth Holloway in Alabama

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet. There is more to come … there is more to come.'

Beth Holloway - October, 2010

The Extortion - The Face to Face - In Beth Holloway's Own Words

Peter R de Vries Oct 31`10 Extortion van der Sloot without remorse1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85iPwvW7izo

Peter R de Vries Oct 31`10 Extortion van der Sloot without remorse2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk91KY2OEV8

PRdV Oct 31`10 Extortion van der Sloot without remorse3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3RyjM_HBM

Peter R de Vries Oct 31`10 Extortion van der Sloot without remorse4/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7UwT6tVkFU

s.t.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 04:41:14 PM

THE PERUVIAN BALANCING ACTS

1. THE LESSER CHARGE

2. THE DELAYED BIRMINGHAM EXTRADITION

Could it be that the "corrupt" Peruvian Justice System has placed itself in a position that Joran van Sloot must be appeased while at the same time the prominent Flores' family and the the Peruvian people as well as the Birmingham prosecutor must be convinced that justice for Stephany is the objective.

1. THE LESSER CHARGE

IF the murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores did not justify a charge filed by the Peruvian prosecutor that carried a life sentence for Joran van der Sloot ... IF the murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores did not justify a panel of Peruvian judges to rule against the lesser charge filed by the prosecutor ... for crying out loud in Peru what does justify a charge filing that carries a life sentence?

Then there is Joran's sentence appeal ... a sentence appeal that meets "all the requirements" of the Third Penal Court of Lima for a review.

Did the Peruvian prosecutor, the panel of judges and the Third Penal Court of Lima read Joran's confession. I mean REALLY read Joran's confession ... comprehend the implications and then imagine a daughter/sister/grandaughter in Stephany Flores' place on the night of May 30, 2010?

Did the Peruvian prosecutor, the panel of judges and the Third Penal Court of Lima read Joran's confession. I mean REALLY read Joran's confession ... comprehend the implications and then imagine the anguish if one of them were the parents/sibling/grandparent of Stephany Flores?

I am outrage! According to Peruvian justice ... how it stands now ... Joran could be released in nine years!! Even the mere possibility that the appeals court could rule that Joran is worthy of a lighter sentence is a slap in the face of Lady Justice. The scales are far from balanced.

Joran van der Sloot - In His Own Words

Confession: Joran van der Sloot describes killing Stephany Flores
June 15, 2010

Asked for a detailed description of the killing:

"She was on the bed when I hit her hard with my right elbow and I think her head went back and hit the wall, then she begins to bleed, immediately I get on top of her and with both hands I begin to strangle her, keeping her that way for a minute. After that, I throw her to the floor but she keeps breathing. At that moment I take off my shirt and put it on her face, pressing on it. I don't remember for how long but she stops breathing, in this way I think I caused her death."

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/confession_joran_van_der_sloot.html

Judges are One with the Prosecutor and Against the Family

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
November 26, 2011

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx

The Third Penal Court of Lima - Requirements Met for Sentence Appeal

Joran Reportedly Getting Married Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
July 19, 2012

Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html

2. THE DELAYED BIRMINGHAM EXTRADITION

Why within THE SAME DAY of Joran's challenge did the Peruvian judge reverse her prior ruling approving a U.S. request to have Joran van der Sloot extradited to Birmingham following the outcome of his sentence appeal ... extradited to Birmingham to face charges related to the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway.

Will John Q. Kelly, the Federal prosecutors and/or representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI be permitted to submit a challenge to the delayed extradition ruling prior to the endorsement of the Justice Minister and Cabinet?

Food for Thought

IF Peru's Justice Minister and Cabinet approves the Supreme Court's reverse ruling to delay the Birmingham extradition until Joran has served his 9-28 year Peruvian sentence for the murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores ... could it be that the extradition to Birmingham may never happen?

Could it be that 9-28 years down the road ... the extortion case against Joran van der Sloot may be compromised and therefore dropped? Could it be that some crucial State and defence witnesses who were involved in the happenings encompassing both the extortion and the sting operation may not be available or in a position to effectively provide the court with testimonies? In time meories do fade. In time health issues do arise. In time deaths do happens. Hey ... Murphy's Law dictates that an almost 66 year old Tamikosmom will be pushing up daisies in another 28 years.

Peruvian Judge Approves Birmingham Extradition

Peru Gives Green Light For Joran Van Der Sloot To Be Extradited To The U.S.
Apr 24, 2012

Peru has approved the extradition of convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

According to court documents obtained by Joran's attorney Maximo Altez, a Peruvian judge has approved a U.S. request for provisional detention, marking the first step in the extraction process and meaning he could land on American soil within three months, reported CNN.com.

Once his appeal for that sentence is completed in the next month, "He will go to trial in the United States. Once he is sentenced, he will return to Peru to finish serving his 28 years, and then go back to the States to serve whatever sentence he gets there,” explained Altez, where U.S. authorities want to try the Dutchman on charges of extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway case.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/joran-van-der-sloot-extradited-us-peru

Joran Fights Birmingham Extradition

Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
May 09, 2012

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S. From Mayra Cuevas
May 9, 2012

Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

Representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI attended the extradition hearing, which was not open to the public, Maximo Altez told InSession on Tru TV. Peru

Peruvian Judge Delays Birmingham Extradition

Peru court: Can extradite Dutchman after prison
Jun. 4 12:25 PM

U.S. prosecutors who want to try Joran van der Sloot for extortion related to the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway will have to wait until he finishes serving a murder sentence in Peru, this nation's Supreme Court has ruled.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, who was notified of the decision Friday, said Monday that he expects his client will be made to serve at least two-thirds of the 28-year sentence.

The court's May 23 decision on extradition is not final, however. Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must endorse it, said the lawyer, Maximo Altez.

The Dutchman, who was raised in Aruba, remains the prime suspect in the Holloway disappearance on the Caribbean island, and the U.S. charges stem from his alleged acceptance of $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead her mother's lawyer, John Q. Kelly, to the body.

Federal prosecutors in Birmingham, Alabama, where Van der Sloot is charged, declined to comment on the court's decision. Kelly said he had no immediate comment.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/peru-court-can-extradite-dutchman-after-prison

CONCLUSION

Will justice prevail for the murder beyond brutal of Stephany? Will justice prevail for the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway? Or ... are there Aruban/Dutch higher ups behind the scenes pulling Peruvian strings in an attempt to protect Joran van der Sloot from accountability.

Food for Thought

If Joran plays his ace ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses when ALL those who were involved in the happening on the morning of May 30, 2005 are exposed and ... ALL higher-ups within and without of the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation who were participants through knowledge or involvement in the ensuing cover up are exposed.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 04:55:25 PM

Neither petition from Joran's attorneys to the Third Penal Court of Lima or the IACHR was rejected. What are the implications?

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The Third Penal Court of Lima

Joran Reportedly Getting Married Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
July 19, 2012

Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html

The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

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"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:03:00 PM

Excessive Privileges

Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012

Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx

Van der Sloot Gets 28 Years for Murder in Peru
Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST

After the conviction, the victim’s father, Ricardo Flores, and older brother, Enrique, held a press conference. “We’re about to conclude an investigation, and we hope we’ll be able to release the information on Monday regarding the excess privileges this man has had from the first day of his seclusion,” said Mr. Ricardo Flores.

Flores’s attorney took the microphone and demanded: “How can it be that a person that is in prison is more comfortable than if he were free? We will hold a press conference to present all the irregularities in this man’s imprisonment on Monday.”

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/13/van-der-sloot-gets-28-years-for-murder-in-peru.html

Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:19:50 PM

THE PERUVIAN JUDICIAL SYSTEM - TAINTED WITH CORRUPTION

Judicial System

Individual Corruption

The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proética Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutionsin Peru. User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:36:36 PM

From the Getgo

Does the Dutch Embassy advocate to such an extent for all Dutch citizens who are detained on suspicion of committing a crime in Peru?

Does the Peruvian interior minister instruct authories on all cases not to release information without his permission?

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010

Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."

She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/

Van der Sloot remains jailed as murder investigation continues
June 6, 2010 9:39 p.m. EDT

The Embassy has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said.

The Peruvian interior minister is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/06/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:41:24 PM

Delegation from the Dutch Embassy

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Van Der Sloot Captured on Murder Charge
Aired June 3, 2010 - 19:00:00 ET

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Vinda De Sousa is on the line. She is the Aruban attorney for Natalee Holloway`s dad, Dave. Vinda, we have just learned that a delegation from the Dutch embassy visited Joran minutes ago in a Chilean jail. ...

OK. What are your thoughts of the fact that the Dutch embassy visited him in jail in Chile?

DE SOUSA: Well, you know, that`s -- that`s not unusual. Whenever a Dutch citizen is jailed abroad, either the embassy or the consul general will visit the person detained or in custody, being a Dutch citizen, to offer assistance, it`s part of the Dutch policy.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/03/ijvm.01.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:42:16 PM

Carpe does have a way with words.

::MonkeyShocked::

carpe noctem
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #836 6/8/10 -
« Reply #916 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »

Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?

It`s built in to their DNA.

As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 05:56:07 PM

SELF-EDIT MY LAST POST

Almost 66 years of life there is not much that causes me to be shocked.

Janet

::MonkeyShocked::

s/b

::MonkeyHaHa::

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 06:08:10 PM

An Aruban Peruvian Agreement

I would have given almost anything to be a fly on the wall when the interview between Aruban investigators and Joran van der Sloot occurred in the Peruvian lockup within two weeks of Joran's apprehension for the murder beyond brutal of Stephany Flores.

If Aruban investigators had been as quick to interview Joran following the extortion sting one month earlier while he was still on Aruban soil ... could it be that a young lady name Stephany would not have had a deadly encounter and today she would be following her dreams.

Janet

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Aruban, Peruvian authorities will 'help each other' in murder probe
June 15, 2010

Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores -- in which Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect, an Aruban government spokesman said Tuesday.

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

http://articles.cnn.com/keyword/aruban

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 11:48:05 PM

Could Joran van der Sloot will be afforded a reduced sentence whether of not the appeal of his Peruvian sentence is successful?

Netherlands, Peru sign prisoner swap deal
Published May 12, 2011

THE HAGUE, Netherlands – Under an agreement signed Thursday, Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot could serve part of his sentence in the Netherlands if he is convicted of murdering a Peruvian student nearly a year ago.

The foreign ministers of the two countries agreed that Dutch prisoners in Peru and Peruvians jailed in the Netherlands can apply to complete their prison terms in their homeland once their appeal process has been completed. ...

Under the accord, if a prisoner received a longer sentence in Peru than the maximum under Dutch law, the sentence would be reduced, the Dutch ministry said. But each country has the right to deny the prisoner's transfer request

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12/netherlands-peru-sign-prisoner-swap-deal/

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 11:54:13 PM

It appears that the Flores' family had issues with the Peruvian prosecutor prior to the filing of the lesser charge?

Woman's family wants speedy trial for van der Sloot
August 17, 2011

The family of a slain Peruvian woman is urging prosecutors to file their case against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, warning that he may be released by December unless the case goes ahead.

"We are worried because Peruvian law says that if a suspect's trial doesn't begin within 18 months after his arrest, authorities are obligated to set the suspect free," Ricardo Flores, the dead woman's father, told CNN. ...

Investigators delivered their case file to prosecutors in June for a decision on charges. Ricardo Flores said the prosecutor in the case, Miriam Riveros Castellares, is "not moving with the speed that a case of this magnitude merits."

"We're asking that either the prosecutor file charges or that authorities remove her from this case and name somebody else," he said.

There was no immediate response to the family's concerns from the prosecutor's office.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/justice/peru.van.der.sloot_1_stephany-flores-sloot-lima-hotel-room?_s=PM:CRIME

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2012, 02:54:53 PM

A Corrupt Judiciary Going Through the Motions?

A possible life sentence charge against Joran van der Sloot was a Peruvian legal option ... a Peruvian legal option the family of Stephany Flores disperately hoped would happen. In September, 2011 when it did not happen and a lesser charge was filed by the prosecutor ... a lesser charge of 30 years that could translate into 10 years ... the family clung to the hope that evidence presented during a trial would convinced the judge to up the charge to a possible life sentence. However ... when Joran pleaded guilty ... those hopes were dashed. The lesser charge was a given.

Peru to beef up Joran van der Sloot charges
17 September 2011

At the first public hearing, on 12 September 2011, Mr Van der Sloot was charged with murder and robbery. The Public Prosecutor called for a 30-year jail sentence and damages of 50,000 euros.

The lawyer for the victim’s family said the charges should not be “murder followed by robbery” but “robbery followed by murder”, which carries a life sentence. He also rejected the 50,000 euro compensation as insufficient.

The judge hearing the case has instructed the Public Prosecutor to reformulate the charges, which will delay the trial.

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http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/peru-beef-joran-van-der-sloot-charges

Prosecutor rejects beefed up charges against van der Sloot
11/21/2011

Peruvian prosecutors have rejected a plea by Stephany Flores' family to have Joran van der Sloot charged with "robbery with murder" which would have carried a possible life sentence. Instead, the prosecution wants to stick with "murder followed by robbery" which carries a 30 year max.

Pablo Sánchez Velarde,the public prosecutor in the Peruvian capital Lima, says he will maintain the original charge of murder against Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot. He characterised the charge as ‘clear and coherent’.

The semantics mean decades less sentence for the Dutchman who has already admitted he killed Stephany.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Prosecutor-rejects-beefed-up-charges-against-van/c9Vb7NMzVUmAStCTOujEEw.cspx

Date set for van der Sloot murder trial
11/26/2011

Admitted killer Joran van der Sloot finally has a trial date in Peru. Media there say the trial has been set for January 6 on charges he killed and robbed 21 year old student Stephany Flores.

In September, the victim's family asked a three-judge panel for a more stringent charge akin to aggravated murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison, but the panel of judges ruled on the prosecution's side.

Van der Sloot's defense attorney Luis Jimenez Navarro told CNN'S In Session this was a big win for his client. If Van der Sloot is found guilty and sentenced to the maximum penalty, under Peru's jail reduction credits, he may only serve a third of the time.

The Flores family remains hopeful this will not be the case. An attorney for the family tells In Session under the Peruvian justice system the charges could change once the trial begins.

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment

"We can ask the Prosecutor to modify the indictment as new facts come out during the trial, but on the first day of trial we expect Van der Sloot to plead guilty to both charges. It seems this will be in his best interest,“ the attorney said.

"He had an indifferent and prideful attitude. He looks as if he has everything under control. He looks better than when he appeared on TV after he was arrested," Ricardo Flores told CNN.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Date-set-for-van-der-Sloot-murder-trial/J1Yl6nagmkmRXf0qcfRMXA.cspx

Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012

Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx

s.t.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2012, 02:57:46 PM

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 23, 2012, 03:44:42 PM

Quote from: Tamikosmom on November 22, 2012, 04:41:14 PM

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CONCLUSION

Will justice prevail for the murder beyond brutal of Stephany? Will justice prevail for the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway? Or ... are there Aruban/Dutch higher ups behind the scenes pulling Peruvian strings in an attempt to protect Joran van der Sloot from accountability.

Food for Thought

If Joran plays his ace ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards collapses when ALL those who were involved in the happening on the morning of May 30, 2005 are exposed and ... ALL higher-ups within and without of the corrupt Natalee Holloway investigation who were participants through knowledge or involvement in the ensuing cover up are exposed.

San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »

I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen. I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names. Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him. Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391#msg1170391

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 03:20:16 PM

Special Treatment for Joran?

One of Joran van der Sloots attorneys claim that conjugal visits are not allowed at Piedras Gordas while another claims that he made arrangement.

Could it be that Peruvian penal system is corrupt and rules are overlooked by higher ups for a price? Considering Leidy Figueroa Uceda was Joran's "registered" conjugal guest it makes sense that a guard was not slipped a bribe.

What is the official policy regarding conjugal visits at Piedras Gordas prison?

Attorney Aldo Cotrina

No Wedding Bells For Joran! Reports Of Van Der Sloot's Marriage 'Are A Joke,' Says His Lawyer
Posted on Jul 20, 2012

It was reported that the charismatic convict had women come visit him at his former and more lenient prison, Castro Castro (although his lawyer at the time denied that he got one of them pregnant in June 2011), but conjugal visits are not allowed in his new home.

"He is allowed relatives to visit but no girlfriends," explained Cotrina, and for married inmates: "Wives are permitted but not for conjugal visits or overnight stays.

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/joran-van-der-sloot-not-getting-married-lawyer-exclusive

Attorney Maximo Altez

Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012

Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.

Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

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http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249

Report: Imprisoned Joran van der Sloot impregnates woman
Oct 08, 2012

Van der Sloot's attorney Maximo Altez, told The Associated Press that a woman named Leidy Figueroa Uceda "is registered as a conjugal visitor of Joran. She is registered in the visitors books of the Piedras Gordas prison in Lima."

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http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/Report-Imprisoned-Joran-van-der-Sloot-impregnates-woman/-/9837878/16901808/-/74mtf1z/-/index.html?absolute=true

s.t.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 03:44:17 PM

"Not a fair sentence but I accept" - Ricardo Flores - January 17, 2012

Ricardo Flores: Creo que la sentencia no fue justa pero la aceptamos
Martes, 17 de Enero 2012 | 5:00 am

El padre de Stephany Flores, Ricardo Flores, consideró que la sentencia al asesino de su hija, Joran Van der Sloot, ‘no fue justa’ pero ‘de todas maneras la aceptamos’. De igual modo, expresó que ‘nunca sintió que ha perdido a su hija’.

“Tenía una meta que sí se ha logrado con la sentencia, pero creo que no ha sido la más justa. Pese a ello, la aceptamos porque no puedo hacer sufrir más a mi familia para que se consiga un poco más de pena”, explicó.

Asimismo, indicó que la primera vez que vio a Van der Sloot durante el juicio, se sintió afectado y tuvo que retirarse. “Pensé que iba a verlo más golpeado, flaco, como cualquiera que piensa que sucede con un hombre en la cárcel. Pero estaba más gordo y soberbio, y no hacía caso a las autoridades”, señaló.

Aseguró que ‘nunca sintió que ha perdido a su hija’. “Lo que yo siento que he perdido es el cuerpo de mi hija. El alma de mi hija lo tengo conmigo”, expresó.

Finalmente, pidió a la prensa que no sigan llamándolo para brindar declaraciones sobre el tema. De igual manera, exhortó a las autoridades para ‘otras personas no pasen por lo que ha pasado’. “Es muy difícil defenderse en el Perú”, indicó.

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Video:
http://www.rpp.com.pe/2012-01-17-ricardo-flores-creo-que-la-sentencia-no-fue-justa-pero-la-aceptamos-noticia_441503.html

s.t.

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 03:54:01 PM

The anticipated press conference implied by Ricardo Flores did not happen. Could it be that it the timing was not right and an expose' may be released following a judge's ruling in regards to Joran van der Sloots sentence appeal?

Could it be that something akin to Beth Holloway and Aruba ... Ricardo Flores will become a force for Peru to reckon with?

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Judges sentence Holloway suspect Van der Sloot to 28 years in Peru woman's murder
Associated Press
Friday, January 13, 2012 9:3 PM

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The Peruvian victim's father, Ricardo Flores, complained after the sentencing that Van der Sloot was living well in a Lima prison, where he has been segregated from the general population.

"A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cellphone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

As in many developing nations, foreigners with money can buy superior treatment in Peru's prisons, including decent food, while the vast majority of inmates suffer overcrowding and constant peril from criminal gangs.

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http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/world/sentencing+day+for+van+der+sloot+in+peru+woman39s+murder/6442558710/story.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 04:25:20 PM

Why did the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights (IACHR) accept and not reject the lawsuit petition filed on behalf of Joran van der Sloot?

The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

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"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed

Van der Sloot sues over extradition
11/27/2011

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) Joran van der Sloot wants $10 million dollars for what he calls human rights violations when he was extradited from Chile to Peru a year and a half ago.

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According to the Lima daily El Commercio van der Sloot claims there was pressure from the then President of the Republic Alan García Pérez" to the Chilean government to extradite the Dutchman, who was arrested in Arica shortly after the murder.

Also named in the lawsuit are former interior minister Octavio Salazarm former Police Generala Cesar Guardia and Miguel Hidalgo , and the murdered girl's father, Ricardo Flores.

Van der Sloot has previously raised the same issues of due process and police irregularities....claims that have been dismissed by Peruvian courts. This time he filed his claim with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-sues-over-extradition/SptNOlV4qEGqhQJ5XFFYvA.cspx

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 04:40:36 PM

Prior to accepting and not rejecting the sentence appeal petition submitted on behalf of Joran van der Sloot ... did the court clerk who represents the Thrid Penal Court of Lima have a boo at the letters that attorney Jimenez claims that his client authored following the trial ... the letters that allegedly revealed ... in Joran's own words ... satisfaction with his representation.

The Third Penal Court of Lima

Joran Reportedly Getting Married Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
July 19, 2012

Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation.

“If we are allowed to proceed, we will request a revision of the sentence, where Joran will say he was ill-advised by his previous attorney who had promised him 15 years in exchange for a guilty plea,” Altez said during a phone interview in Lima.

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In an interview in Lima with Newsweek, Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s former attorney, showed two letters Van der Sloot wrote in January, in the days following his conviction, in which Van der Sloot states that he is satisfied with the sentence. “How could I have cheated him if he expressed his satisfaction in two letters?” says Jimenez, pointing to where Van der Sloot wrote: “What me and Jimenez did was the best,” and “I am pleased with Mr. Jimenez’s work.”

“Both were written right after his sentencing, so if I had offered a plea bargain, how could he declare to be satisfied with my work in writing? I was his attorney until May; why didn’t he take me off the case immediately after the trial in January?”

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 05:30:07 PM

The Delayed Birmingham Extradition

Prior to the sentencing ... Attorney John Q. Kelly and the Birmingham prosecutor were anticipating that it would not be long until the extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the States to face charges for the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway would happen. It could be assumed that Beth Holloway was one in that anticipation.

Could it be assumed that the anticipation was heightened in April following the Peruvian judge's approval of the Birmingham extradition after the outcome of Joran's sentencing appeal.

However ... Joran van der Sloot challenged the Birmingham extradition ruling and ... he emerged victor. It was ruled that the Birmingham extradition would not happen until the completion of his 9-28 year Peruvian sentence.

Imagine the anticipation crash that was experienced by Attorney Kelly, the Birmingham prosecutor and Beth Holloway.

The Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet have yet to approve the delayed ruling. There is still a glimmer of hope that The Monkey Justice Train be rolling into the Birmingham Station sooner than later.

Birmingham Extradition Anticipated

Joran Van Der Sloot Gets 28 Years in Peru, Now US Wants Him
Jan. 13, 2012

Joran van der Sloot was sentenced today to 28 years in a Peruvian prison for strangling a woman there, and American officials are now expected to bring him to Alabama to face charges in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

The attorney for Holloway's mother, John Q. Kelly, said after today's sentencing that he hopes van der Sloot will be extradited to the U.S. within "a couple of months."

Van der Sloot is charged with extorting $25,000 from Holloway's grieving mother Beth Holloway in exchange for information about the location of Natalee's body. After receving the money, van der Sloot admitted lying about where the girl's body was buried.

"We anticipate that U.S. authorities will move quickly to bring him to Alabama to face pending federal charges and to answer for his past conduct in Aruba," Kelly had said prior to the sentencing.

The U.S. District Attorney in Birmingham, where the case against van der Sloot will be prosecuted, did not immediately return calls for comment. They had previously told ABC News that they had made arrangements with Interpol to have van der Sloot extradited to the U.S.

Any sentence he might receive in the U.S. would be served in conjunction with the 28 years he was sentenced in Peru, Kelly said

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joran-van-der-sloot-28-years-now-us/story?id=15353765

Peruvian Judge Approves Birmingham Extradition

Peru Gives Green Light For Joran Van Der Sloot To Be Extradited To The U.S.
Apr 24, 2012

Peru has approved the extradition of convicted killer Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. to stand trial for extortion and wire fraud in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

According to court documents obtained by Joran's attorney Maximo Altez, a Peruvian judge has approved a U.S. request for provisional detention, marking the first step in the extraction process and meaning he could land on American soil within three months, reported CNN.com.

Once his appeal for that sentence is completed in the next month, "He will go to trial in the United States. Once he is sentenced, he will return to Peru to finish serving his 28 years, and then go back to the States to serve whatever sentence he gets there,” explained Altez, where U.S. authorities want to try the Dutchman on charges of extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway case.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/joran-van-der-sloot-extradited-us-peru

Joran Fights Birmingham Extradition

Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
May 09, 2012

Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S. From Mayra Cuevas
May 9, 2012

Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

Representatives from the U.S. Embassy and the FBI attended the extradition hearing, which was not open to the public, Maximo Altez told InSession on Tru TV. Peru

Peruvian Judge Delays Birmingham Extradition

Peru court: Can extradite Dutchman after prison
Jun. 4 12:25 PM

U.S. prosecutors who want to try Joran van der Sloot for extortion related to the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway will have to wait until he finishes serving a murder sentence in Peru, this nation's Supreme Court has ruled.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, who was notified of the decision Friday, said Monday that he expects his client will be made to serve at least two-thirds of the 28-year sentence.

The court's May 23 decision on extradition is not final, however. Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must endorse it, said the lawyer, Maximo Altez.

The Dutchman, who was raised in Aruba, remains the prime suspect in the Holloway disappearance on the Caribbean island, and the U.S. charges stem from his alleged acceptance of $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead her mother's lawyer, John Q. Kelly, to the body.

Federal prosecutors in Birmingham, Alabama, where Van der Sloot is charged, declined to comment on the court's decision. Kelly said he had no immediate comment.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/peru-court-can-extradite-dutchman-after-prison

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 06:00:01 PM

Quote from: klaasend on May 11, 2012, 12:21:01 AM

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Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 06:23:58 PM

Considering Joran van der Sloot's challenge to the Birmingham extradition ... could it be assumed that he is one of those "prisoner with money" or there are forces high up who have his back.

Residence of Choice

Joran van der Sloot challenges extradition to U.S.
May 9, 2012

Joran van der Sloot told a judge and prosecutor Tuesday that he would prefer to finish serving a 28-year murder sentence in Peru rather than be extradited to the United States to face charges related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, his Peruvian lawyer said.

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/peru-van-der-sloot/index.html

2010 Human Rights Report: Peru
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
April 8, 2011

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Prison and Detention Center Conditions

Prison conditions were harsh for most of the country's 45,599 inmates, of whom 2,784 were women, 985 were juveniles ages 18-19 years. The National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) operates 57 of the country's active prisons, while the Peruvian National Police (PNP) has jurisdiction over 14. Prisoners with money had access to cell phones, illegal drugs, and meals prepared outside the prison; prisoners who lacked funds experienced much more difficult conditions. Overcrowding, poor sanitation, and inadequate nutrition and health care were serious problems. Inmates had intermittent access to running water, bathing facilities were inadequate, kitchen facilities were unhygienic, and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space. There was basic medical care at most prisons, but there were complaints that inmates had to pay for medical attention. There was also a lack of doctors; only 54 doctors worked at the country's 71 prisons, with 34 based in the capital city area. Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS reportedly remained at near-epidemic levels. The San Juan de Lurigancho men's prison held 8,730 prisoners in a facility designed for 3,204.

Prison guards and fellow inmates reportedly abused prisoners. Guards received little or no training or supervision. There were killings in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates.

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http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154516.htm

Title: Re: DATA POSTS - TAMIKOSMOM
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 24, 2012, 06:49:24 PM

The Stephany Flores Case

Prior to year's end ... the IACHR lawsuit and Joran's sentence appeal rulings should be forthcoming. Will a measure of justice prevail for Stephany Flores?

Possibly new murder trial for Joran
18 September 2012

ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The Inter-American Court for human rights will study the investigation and the trail of Joran van der Sloot. Lawyer Máximo Altez stated before the Peruvian newspaper El Commercio that the Court has accepted his document with the request for revision. The request was submitted months ago.

According to Joran’s lawyer, his client’s right to a fair trial was violated because he wasn’t given an interpreter and because of his illegal extradition from Chili to Peru. “The Court has accepted the document. I’m certain we will win”, the lawyer said yesterday.

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Joran’s lawyer had already submitted a ‘special request for revision’ earlier on when he requested an entirely new trial for the murder and robbery of Stephany Flores. According to Joran, his lawyer at the time, José Jiménez, had misled him. This lawyer namely advised Joran to agree with the charge from Justice and to declare himself guilty. In exchange he would receive a maximum sentence of 15 years instead of the demanded 30 years. Joran had subsequently declared he was guilty but the court sentenced him to 28 years imprisonment. Jiménez always denied the accusations and thinks his former client knew exactly where he stood when he declared himself guilty.

Expectations are that it will be the end of the year before this appeal comes up in court. The lawyer of the Flores family, Stephany’s next of kin, stated the appeal doesn’t stand a chance and consider the case closed.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/128583-possibly-new-murder-trial-for-joran

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