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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND) => Topic started by: love4ever on June 11, 2009, 05:07:36 AM



Title: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 11, 2009, 05:07:36 AM
Take note of the business name
of the irrigation pond..


TRACY - Jose Luis Franco wasn't prepared for what surfaced in the irrigation pond he drained the morning of April 6 at Bachetti & Silva Dairy Farms.

Franco was enjoying the sunny day when he emptied the ditch surrounded by miles of grassy fields just north of the Tracy Boulevard exit off Interstate 205. Until he discovered the suitcase.

Franco, a dairy farm worker and father of four, had been praying for Sandra Cantu, the little girl he'd never met but whose face had become well-known to strangers across California.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090508/A_NEWS/905080394/-1/A_COMM04

I know there are alot of silvas in the Tracy area, but I am going to
try and do some name association here. Just podering not accusing.
There are so many ways Sweet Sandra could have been a
victim really. It makes me sad...


We can start here:

SILVA, FERNANDO
Age: 56
Birth Date: 06/08/1953


Associated names:
SILVA, FRANK I
SILVA, FRANK J


Possible Employment / Business Associations:

SILVA BROTHERS DAIRY FARM, A LIMITED PARTNERSHIP

ADDRESS 1:
1999 Grant Line Rd,
TRACY, CA 95304

ADDRESS 2:
5152 Grant Line Rd #R,
TRACY, CA 95304

ADDRESS 3:
13360 Byron #2,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 4:
7317 Grant Line,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 5:
7461 Grant Line,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 6:
0000007317 Grant Line,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 7:
1999 Grant Line Rd,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 8:
7317 Grant Line,
TRACY, CA 95304

ADDRESS 9:
7317 Grant Line,
TRACY, CA 95376

ADDRESS 10:
122 Willow Ave #A,
MANTECA, CA 95337


   

SILVA, JOE  G (Age 59)
SILVA, BERNARDINE  MARIE
FERREIRA, ELIZABETH  M
SILVA, PAULINE  WW (Age 34)
SILVA, TONY  R
SILVA, MANUEL  H (Age 48)
SILVA, FRANK  J
SILVA, MANUELHUMBE (Age 61)
SILVA, BROTHERS


Business Name               

1. SILVA BROTHERS DAIRY FARM, A LIMITED PARTNERSHIP

City, State
Tracy, CA   

Possible Owners/
Officers/Agents

SILVA, BERNARDINEMARIE
(GENERAL PARTNER)

SILVA, FRANKI
(REGISTERED AGENT)

SILVA, FRANKI
(GENERAL PARTNER)

SILVA, MANUELH
(GENERAL PARTNER)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 11, 2009, 05:20:39 AM
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7226/18603320i3644.th.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/18603320i3644.jpg/)

SILVA, STEVE   M
Age: 37
Birth Date: 05/23/1972


Associated names:
SILVA, TEVE

ADDRESS 1:
8900 Vernalis Rd,
TRACY, CA 95377
- I cant get the address to display

ADDRESS 2:
15375 Sullivan Ave,
SAN LEANDRO, CA 94579

ADDRESS 3:
1625 Orchard Ave,
SAN LEANDRO, CA 94577

ADDRESS 4:
401 Preda St,
SAN LEANDRO, CA 94577

ADDRESS 5:
2332 Avenue 133rd #A,
SAN LEANDRO, CA 94577

ADDRESS 6:
26329 Gading Rd #21,
HAYWARD, CA 94544

DESILVA, MANUEL  G  (Age 65)
SILVA, MARIA  C (Age 57)
SILVA, MANUEL  F (Age 65)
SILVA, TEVE
SILVA, JAZMYN  M
SILVA, TRUST


Possible Roommates / Associates:
KARJALAINEN, LIDVINA (Age 33)
KARJALAINEN, MATTHEW  W (Age 34)



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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 11, 2009, 01:38:56 PM
Hey this is a FABULOUS idea for a thread!  ::MonkeyAngel::
Obviously, MH was familiar with this place but WHY???  HOW???  WHO did she know around there???

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/schometopond.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/4-6pond.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/19111188_640X480.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/zzcloserview.jpg)

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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 11, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
Ok, Bachetti Road...hmmmm I wonder who she knew too.
Lone, I just don't think she did this alone?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 11, 2009, 03:31:14 PM
Snipped:
http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?cid=&MEM=1&ypcobrand=1&PR=&ST=&inputwhat_dirty=1&KW=Bachetti+%26+Silva+Dairy+Farms&initial=&inputwhere_dirty=1&LO=Tracy%2C+CA&SD=-1&search.x=23&search.y=11&search=Search&semChannelId=&semSessionId= (http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?cid=&MEM=1&ypcobrand=1&PR=&ST=&inputwhat_dirty=1&KW=Bachetti+%26+Silva+Dairy+Farms&initial=&inputwhere_dirty=1&LO=Tracy%2C+CA&SD=-1&search.x=23&search.y=11&search=Search&semChannelId=&semSessionId=)

Bacchetti & Silva Dairy   
Not Rated      Be the First to Review
18700 Bacchetti Road
Tracy, CA 95304
(209)Edit-No phone numbers please


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 11, 2009, 03:42:58 PM
Snipped:
http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/18700-Bacchetti-Rd_Tracy_CA_95304_e6ff6c01

So this is not listed as a farm or dairy???...

Property Information for 18700 Bacchetti Rd
Property Features    Financial History

    * Single Family Residence
    * Year Built: 1957
    * 3 Bedrooms
    * 3 Bathrooms
    * Approximately 2230 Sq Ft
    * Lot size: 55,757 Sq Ft
    * Stories: 1
    * County: San Joaquin
    * Parking: Garage 2 spaces

Source: Public Records    Last assessed at $122,618 on 2008

Previous assessments

    * $120,214 on 2007
    * $117,857 on 2006

Source: Public Record


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2009, 01:47:35 AM
There are a few homes on the street by the dairy. This is a working  dairy, with cows and all. It is amazing how small the ponds are, I went there to see it and was quite surprised. I was first thinking they were the huge irrigation pools some farms have but they are not.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 03:40:12 PM
Snipped:
http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?cid=&MEM=1&ypcobrand=1&PR=&ST=&inputwhat_dirty=1&KW=Bachetti+%26+Silva+Dairy+Farms&initial=&inputwhere_dirty=1&LO=Tracy%2C+CA&SD=-1&search.x=23&search.y=11&search=Search&semChannelId=&semSessionId= (http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?cid=&MEM=1&ypcobrand=1&PR=&ST=&inputwhat_dirty=1&KW=Bachetti+%26+Silva+Dairy+Farms&initial=&inputwhere_dirty=1&LO=Tracy%2C+CA&SD=-1&search.x=23&search.y=11&search=Search&semChannelId=&semSessionId=)

Bacchetti & Silva Dairy   
Not Rated      Be the First to Review
18700 Bacchetti Road
Tracy, CA 95304
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please



So the reverse look up gives us this name...

Snipped:
http://www.whitepages.com/16176/track/10215/search/Replay?search_id=40121313263870632192&lower=1&more_info=1 (http://www.whitepages.com/16176/track/10215/search/Replay?search_id=40121313263870632192&lower=1&more_info=1)

Lino Bacchetti

work
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Type: Land Line
Provider: Pacific Bell
Location: Tracy, CA
Due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider.

Job title: unavailable
Company: Bacchetti & Silva Dairy





Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 04:05:13 PM
Snipped:
http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1& (http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&)


    Lino A Bacchetti

View Details
   82    Tracy, CA       intelius.com    

Possible Relatives:
Gerda E Bacchetti
Frances V Bacchetti
Francis A Bacchetti
F V Bacchetti
L Bacchetti
Rina L Bacchetti
Silva Ptp Bacchetti
B Bacchetti
G Bacchetti


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
Snipped:
http://www.calegion.org/html/listing-b.html#bacchetti (http://www.calegion.org/html/listing-b.html#bacchetti)

So, the Bacchetti's and Silva's are related by marriage...


Lino's brother Frances
 Obituary

      Francis Bacchetti
      James McDermott Post 172, Tracy
      02/16/1932 — 11/09/2007

A prayer service is scheduled Saturday morning for Francis A. Bacchetti, 75, a retired Tracy dairyman who died Friday at Valley Care Medical Center in Pleasanton. A native of Fortuna, Humboldt County, Mr. Bacchetti moved to Tracy in 1944 with his parents, the late Bortollo and Rina Bacchetti. He grew up on the family dairy and attended Tracy schools, graduating in 1950 from Tracy High School.

After serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, Mr. Bacchetti was a partner with his brother, Lino Bacchetti, in Bacchetti Bros. Dairy north of Tracy. The dairy later became Bacchetti and Silva Dairy. In recent years, Mr. Bacchetti was a patient at the convalescent care facility at the Livermore Veterans Affairs Medical Center. He was a member of the American Legion Post 172 of Tracy. Mr. Bacchetti was an active member of committees that over the years organized reunions for Tracy High School’s Class of 1950. He made contact with class members all over the country, and his efforts were credited with increasing participation in the reunions. An avid sports fan, Mr. Bacchetti was a strong supporter of Tracy High football teams for many years and enjoyed keeping statistics of football games and other sports. He enjoyed spending time with family and friends.

Survivors include a brother, Lino Bacchetti of Tracy; four nieces, Marian Bacchetti McGlothlin and Ann Bacchetti Silva, both of Tracy, Carol Bacchetti Dowling of Cincinnati and Rebecca Kuga of Sonoma; two great-nieces; and a great-nephew. His wife, the late Gerda Bacchetti, died in 2006.



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 04:47:10 PM
Snipped:
http://www.whitepages.com/16176/track/10215/search/Replay?search_id=70121313262672908547&lower=1&more_info=1 (http://www.whitepages.com/16176/track/10215/search/Replay?search_id=70121313262672908547&lower=1&more_info=1)

Ann P Silva

home
18700 Bacchetti Rd<-------Address of Irrigation Pond

Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Type: Land Line
Provider: Pacific Bell
Location: Tracy, CA
Due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider.

Age: 50-54

Household: Mario E Silva


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:03:38 PM
Snipped:
http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/articles/2009/02/17/bulletin_board/0001bulletin_ucdavis.txt (http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/articles/2009/02/17/bulletin_board/0001bulletin_ucdavis.txt)
This looks like a nice honor to receive!

'Common Threads' event to honor six extraordinary women in agriculture
Email this story | Print this story
Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:16 AM CST

Six Northern California women who have made remarkable contributions to agriculture and their communities will be honored March 5 at the University of California, Davis, during a luncheon and “Common Threads” award ceremony. The program is sponsored jointly by the UC Davis College of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences and the California Agricultural Leadership Foundation.

The Common Threads award recipients include Molly Watkins, a rancher and family farmer from San Joaquin County; Francine Bradley, a poultry specialist at UC Davis; Eloise Fischer Spence, a rancher from Calaveras County; Caroline Vann, a cattle rancher from Colusa County; Barbara Ohlendorf, a publications coordinator from UC Davis; and Ann Silva, a dairy farmer from San Joaquin County.

Silva is a diplomatic ambassador for agriculture in many forums.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
I'm not seeing ANY connection of the Becchetti-Sliva's to MH or the Lawless'...
Monkeys feel free to do your monkey magic! ::MonkeyCool::

It still begs the question...
WHY place little Sandra there, of ALL places in the world???
That's an important question, imo.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 05:11:09 PM
so glad to see this thread.  I had done some work on this right off but did not think I should start posting this stuff as I was new to the board LOL.  well, guess if someone else "leads", I will jump in here.  I believe the location of where Sandra was deposited is very telling.  And also being the pond is small, I PERSONALLY do not believe this is the location where she was suppose to "stay".  So why put her THERE???

I believe if we dig into this location and the connections it will tell us something about Melissa.  I'll dig up my files and post whatever I have


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 05:15:48 PM
I'm not seeing ANY connection of the Becchetti-Sliva's to MH or the Lawless'...
Monkeys feel free to do your monkey magic! ::MonkeyCool::

It still begs the question...
WHY place little Sandra there, of ALL places in the world???
That's an important question, imo.

oh cool, I see you have the "why there?" question also.  I think there is a "mether to Melissa's Madness".  Along with the note, spelling "suitcase" incorrecting and naming the two streets, one being "whitehall" and they will not release the other name, you really have to wonder what was going on in Melissa's mind. I think that area was chosen for a Purpose.  But neither here nor there, let me get some info out here.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 05:17:06 PM
ooopps that previous post should read METHOD to her madness, NOT METHER LOL  gee, where do I come up with these spelling LOL  I was not trying to be cryptic, honest !!! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
ooopps that previous post should read METHOD to her madness, NOT METHER LOL  gee, where do I come up with these spelling LOL  I was not trying to be cryptic, honest !!! ::MonkeyDevil::
You're funny DD! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 06:20:46 PM
trying not to report any info already posted, if I do, sorry. 

Lino Bacchetti. Tracy, CA. Lino Bacchetti. Nov. 25, 1926 - Sept. 14, 2008. Lino Bacchetti born on November 25, 1926 in Ono Degno, Italy to Bortolo and (no more info)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 06:23:50 PM
Resident Names On Bacchetti Road
Patricia Coronel
18290 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432

Francisco Hernandez
18293 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432



Delfina D Flores
18297 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Victor M Flores


Victor M Flores
18297 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Delfina D Flores

Paul McGlothlin(relative of bacchetti)
18311 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
Household: Vernon P Mcglothlin, T Mcglothlin


T McGlothlin relative of bacchetti
18311 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
Household: Vernon P Mcglothlin, Paul Mcglothlin


Vernon P McGlothlin relative of bacchetti
18311 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
phone number unavailable
Household: Paul Mcglothlin, T Mcglothlin


Carlos A Hernandez
18344 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Petra Hernandez, Mariana Hernandez


Mariana Hernandez
18344 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Petra Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez


Petra Hernandez
18344 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Carlos A Hernandez, Mariana Hernandez



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 06:24:36 PM
Resident Names On Bacchetti
Norbeto Montoya
18356 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please



Jose L Franco
18400 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please


Jose L Franco
18400 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432


Robert Dellaringa
18581 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please


Bacchetti & Silva Dairy
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Company: Bacchetti & Silva Dairy


Whitehall Estates Cheese Co
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Company: Whitehall Estates Cheese Co


Ann P Silva
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Mario A Silva


Mario A Silva
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Ann P Silva


David F Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: Jill Memory, Laura B Memory


Jill Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: David F Memory, Laura B Memory

Laura B Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: David F Memory, Jill Memory


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 06:26:16 PM
18358 BACCHETTI TRACY, CA Trailer At Dairy Dead End Road
18358 BACCHETTI TRACY, CA





MODESTO, CA
SUNNYVALE, CA
OAKDALE, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

RAMIREZ, VALERIE R (Age 37)
RAMIREZ, ELVIRA R (Age 54)
RAMIREZ, MARIA B
RAMIREZ, FELIPE (Age 35)
RAMIREZ, BRUNO M (Age 35)
RAMIREZ, ALFONSO
RAMIREZ, ANGELICA
RAMIREZ, SANTIAGO
RAMIREZ, ROSA C

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FURROW, RICHARD D (Age 53)
RODRIGUEZ, FLORENCIO (Age 38)





MANTECA, CA
EL MONTE, CA
TRACY, CA
SOUTH EL MONTE, CA
FONTANA, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAMAS, ANGELICA C






HOUSTON, TX
ESCALON, CA
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

INIGUEZ, JOSE PENA
INIGUEZ, ELIZABETH C (Age 32)
INIGUEZ, FERNANDO (Age 34)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ININGUEZ, FERNANDO (Age 48)
RIOS, LUIS A (Age 28)






TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CASTELLANOS, JOSE C
CASTELLANOS, MARGARITA C (Age 40)
CASTELLANOS, JAIME A (Age 25)
CASTELLANOS, GUADALUPE (Age 24)
CASTELLANOS, JESUS (Age 26)
CASTELLANOS, LUCIANO (Age 27)
CASTELLANOS, MIGUEL C
CASTELLANO, BERNARDO P
CASTELLANOS, JOANNA C (Age 22)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MERRITT, CARMEN C





STOCKTON, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

INIGUEZBAEZ, ANTONIO (Age 35)
INIGUEZ, FERNANDO (Age 34)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ROE, TAHIRAH J (Age 33)
WHITE, CASSANDRA (Age 26)
BROWN, CLAUDE





TRACY, CA
WATERFORD, CA

Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, A C

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)





HOUSTON, TX
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

INIGUEZBAEZ, ANTONIO (Age 35)
INIGUEZ, ELIZABETH C (Age 32)






TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, FRANCISCO A (Age 28)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 06:29:53 PM

18358 BACCHETTI TRACY, CA Trailer At Dairy Dead End Road
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantudairy1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 08:48:53 PM
The irrigation pond where Sandra Cantu's body was deposited is actually on Whitehall Rd.  This intersects with Bacchetti Road where the Bacchetti/Silva dairy is. 

The note supposedly written by Melissa gives two street names, one is Whitehall and the other street name has not been released by the police.

We need a thread for "The Note".


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon55.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 08:56:58 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon24.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 08:58:52 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon20.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 08:59:10 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon33.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 12, 2009, 09:02:27 PM
it is a truck like this one which the cadet said he saw some guy in by the pond. 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantususpicioustruck1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 12, 2009, 10:33:59 PM
The irrigation pond where Sandra Cantu's body was deposited is actually on Whitehall Rd.  This intersects with Bacchetti Road where the Bacchetti/Silva dairy is. 

The note supposedly written by Melissa gives two street names, one is Whitehall and the other street name has not been released by the police.

We need a thread for "The Note".

Do we know who OWNS that particular pond???


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:17:44 AM
so glad to see this thread.  I had done some work on this right off but did not think I should start posting this stuff as I was new to the board LOL.  well, guess if someone else "leads", I will jump in here.  I believe the location of where Sandra was deposited is very telling.  And also being the pond is small, I PERSONALLY do not believe this is the location where she was suppose to "stay".  So why put her THERE???

I believe if we dig into this location and the connections it will tell us something about Melissa.  I'll dig up my files and post whatever I have

Yes, why place the suitcase in the shallow pond when there are deeper waters? That has bothered me  from the start. Why this place? If she wanted to hide a body, surely there were other places, right? 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:22:54 AM
The irrigation pond where Sandra Cantu's body was deposited is actually on Whitehall Rd.  This intersects with Bacchetti Road where the Bacchetti/Silva dairy is. 

The note supposedly written by Melissa gives two street names, one is Whitehall and the other street name has not been released by the police.

We need a thread for "The Note".

Do we know who OWNS that particular pond???

Lone the pond is apart of the dairy. I would suppose it belongs to the dairy.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 13, 2009, 01:55:17 AM
The irrigation pond where Sandra Cantu's body was deposited is actually on Whitehall Rd.  This intersects with Bacchetti Road where the Bacchetti/Silva dairy is. 

The note supposedly written by Melissa gives two street names, one is Whitehall and the other street name has not been released by the police.

We need a thread for "The Note".

Do we know who OWNS that particular pond???

Lone the pond is apart of the dairy. I would suppose it belongs to the dairy.

Thanks Tracy...
Then I'll purse this  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 13, 2009, 02:25:09 AM
NOT purse...pursue~~~ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:26:05 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon24.jpg)

DD is this the canal that is at the end of whitehall? The next pic, is the same thing?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:27:24 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon33.jpg)
What is this pic?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
NOT purse...pursue~~~ ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL I thought it was another way of saying, "shelf this" as in I will shelf this.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2009, 12:56:02 PM
What exactly did MH say about this spot? did she say she spent time at this farm or near this farm? I have read both statements. Each obviously have it's own meaning.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 13, 2009, 07:54:19 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon24.jpg)

DD is this the canal that is at the end of whitehall? The next pic, is the same thing?

you know that pic was in with the rest I had and I just uploaded them all and copied them over.  Now I really don't remember what that is, I think it is just a large overview of the area where the pond is.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 13, 2009, 07:55:09 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantucon33.jpg)
What is this pic?

that is the aerial view of the ponds, there is more than one there on white hall in a row


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 13, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
I'll be sure to try to name the photos after this LOL I have so many of them.  I have lots of all the surrounding area as I have been interested in this whole area for years.  That whole Tom Paine Slough area out there is of interest to me.  It and the old river, and paradise cut and paradise island.  It's all out there close together. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 13, 2009, 10:53:32 PM
Whitehall Estates Cheese Co near
18700 Bacchetti Rd, Tracy, CA 95304
209-No phone numbers please

http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?ie=UTF8&moduleurl=http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/smartnav_mapplet.html&mapclient=google&f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&geocode=&q=times+square,+nyc&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.372705,114.257812&ie=UTF8&ll=40.758635,-73.985238&spn=0.012353,0.027895&z=16&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=40.758437,-73.985164&panoid=tm6dO7hV6LZs52v6Ly4sQA&cbp=12,19.46,,0,-4.09&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=lp&utm_source=usmicrosite (http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?ie=UTF8&moduleurl=http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/smartnav_mapplet.html&mapclient=google&f=q&hl=en&ie=UTF8&geocode=&q=times+square,+nyc&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.372705,114.257812&ie=UTF8&ll=40.758635,-73.985238&spn=0.012353,0.027895&z=16&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=40.758437,-73.985164&panoid=tm6dO7hV6LZs52v6Ly4sQA&cbp=12,19.46,,0,-4.09&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=lp&utm_source=usmicrosite)

Names associated with the phone number above:



1. CONTRERAS, CARLOS
33285 S KOSTER RD TRACY, CA 95304
(209) Edit-No phone number please


CONTRERAS, CARLOS N



SOLANO STATE PRISON VACAVILLE, CA 95696
--Maybe they were there..LOL
313 N GIDDINGS ST VISALIA, CA 93291
446 1ST #2 VISALIA, CA 93277
PO BOX 400 TRACY, CA 95378
PO BOX 4000ID WOODLAND, CA 95696
PO BOX 840ID CALIPATRIA, CA 92233

CONTRERAS, PABLO JULIO (age 38)
CONTRERAS, ANA MARIA (age 59)
CONTRERAS, MANUEL A

http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE (http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE)





Another look at the Listing:


18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304
A.
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304

At this address:
Bacchetti & Silva Dairy‎
Whitehall Estates Cheese Co‎





These are the names when I entered it as the business name,
"Whitehall Estates Cheese Co".

Primary/Secondary Owner
1 BACCHETTI, LINO
 
Owner's Address/
Site Address

18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304   

APN
21212005
   
Primary/Secondary Owner       
2.SILVA, ANN

Owner's Address/
Site Address

18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304   

Last Sold
10/07/1986   

Phone
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

APN
21111010

Primary/Secondary Owner

3.BACCHETTI

Owner's Address/
Site Address

18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304   

APN
21212005


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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 13, 2009, 11:23:57 PM
The farm worker who found the suitcase (maybe), Jose Luis Franco...

Name/AKAs   Address   
1. FRANCO, JOSE L

Address
18344 BACCHETTI RD
TRACY, CA 95304

Possible Relatives
FRANCO, MARGARITA       

Phone
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

2.FRANCO, JOSE LUIS

Address
18344 BACCHETTI RD
TRACY, CA 95304

Possible Relatives
(949) Edit-No phone numbers please-Orange county area code
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please


http://www.usa-people-search.com/Results.aspx?view=PE (http://www.usa-people-search.com/Results.aspx?view=PE)


Number from above Listing..(209) Edit-No phone numbers please Oh My...

Name/AKAs   Age   Address   Possible Relatives   Birthday   Phone
1.CHAVEZ, JAVIER JOSE

Associated names:
CHAVEZ, JAVIER JOSE

Age 66

Address
1280 WHISPERING WIND DR TRACY, CA 95377
400 MISSION RANCH BLVD CHICO, CA 95926
2020 LAKE HEIGHTS DR #E202 EVERETT, WA 98208
15 TIOGA WAY CHICO, CA 95928
202 ROANE DR HAMPTON, VA 23669
2020 LAKE HEIGHTS DR #O202 EVERETT, WA 98208
1975 CALAVERAS CT TRACY, CA 95377
400 MISSION RANCH BLVD #69 CHICO, CA 95926
620 CHERRY ST CHICO, CA 95928
100 SWIFT BLVD GOOSE CREEK, SC 29445
2605 WOODBRIDGE DR NEWPORT NEWS, VA 23608
8600 GLEN MYRTLE AVE #706 NORFOLK, VA 23505
6 BIMINI XING #J HAMPTON, VA 23666
1577 E LASSEN AVE #49 CHICO, CA 95973

Possible Relatives   
CHAVEZ, JAVIER J (age 54)
CHAVIZ, RAMONA (age 36)
CHAVEZ, LETICIA (age 38)

Phone
(425) Edit-No phone numbers please
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
(530) Edit no phone numbers please
(425) Edit-No phone numbers please

(757) Edit-No phone numbers please
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
(757) Edit-No phone numbers please

http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PEhttp://

There is more you guys and I have to go...
I will be back soon..Kisses!

~Love~



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 13, 2009, 11:30:42 PM
Whitehill Cheese Estate Address is at the corner
of Bacchetti and Whitehall Road..


How could someone not see anything if they have
lived out there for years...Wouldn't someone notice something?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

But I need to be good and quit thinking things..LOL.. ::MonkeyAngel::

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 12:30:21 AM
 I think the  one police cadet noticed a truck there on that street  and reported it.  The houses are not right next to the ponds. If I recall correctly, Bacchetti sort of veers off to the right from Tracy Blvd and if you continue straight you wind up where the houses are. but you can turn right and be on whitehall and a little bit down Whitehall are the ponds. There is a big field between the dairy building and cow pens (is that what it is called? I am a city girl, lol) There are also trees. So I am not sure if the view is wide open for the people who live in the homes to see.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 14, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
I think the  one police cadet noticed a truck there on that street  and reported it.  The houses are not right next to the ponds. If I recall correctly, Bacchetti sort of veers off to the right from Tracy Blvd and if you continue straight you wind up where the houses are. but you can turn right and be on whitehall and a little bit down Whitehall are the ponds. There is a big field between the dairy building and cow pens (is that what it is called? I am a city girl, lol) There are also trees. So I am not sure if the view is wide open for the people who live in the homes to see.

Your posts are very insightful Tracy! ::MonkeyAngel::
It's GREAT to hear from someone living in Tracy!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 14, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
Whitehill Cheese Estate Address is at the corner
of Bacchetti and Whitehall Road..


How could someone not see anything if they have
lived out there for years...Wouldn't someone notice something?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

But I need to be good and quit thinking things..LOL.. ::MonkeyAngel::

~Love~

You have been BUSY, Love!!! ::MonkeyDance::
When I have some time later...I'll see if I have anything else to offer.
(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/362049190_m.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 09:11:56 PM
I think the  one police cadet noticed a truck there on that street  and reported it.  The houses are not right next to the ponds. If I recall correctly, Bacchetti sort of veers off to the right from Tracy Blvd and if you continue straight you wind up where the houses are. but you can turn right and be on whitehall and a little bit down Whitehall are the ponds. There is a big field between the dairy building and cow pens (is that what it is called? I am a city girl, lol) There are also trees. So I am not sure if the view is wide open for the people who live in the homes to see.

Snipped:


A police cadet also said Friday that he saw someone "acting real strange" at an irrigation pond near where Cantu's body was found.

The driver — a white man in his late 40s or early 50s wearing a white baseball cap and gray T-shirt — appeared to be looking down at the ditch beside the road, said 19-year-old Memory. Only four or five cars travel the remote road, which is a dead end, on a typical day, he noted.

Stephen Memory said he thought it was odd to see a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked on the shoulder of the road facing in the wrong direction on the afternoon of April 3. Sandra's body was found April 6.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html[/b]]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html (http://[b)

I sure wish the cadet would have went further and confronted the man.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 09:36:03 PM
Here is another thing about the ponds and why it strikes me as a strange place. First off, they are wide open, not much around the ponds, however you have to admit they are not a place anyone would swim.

Across Whitehall there is a creek, it is well hidden with bushes then down Whitehall I am pretty sure it meets up with a larger creek, not sure if it could be called a river or a creek. I think that is the Tom Payne slough area DD spoke off or maybe old river? I looked it up and I think you can take boats or rafts? I have never been there so I am not sure. Is that where the man who saw someone in a boat who looked like Williams? Where did he see him? was it around this area?

This is a neat site, shows the water ways around Nor cal especially The Old River, Sugar Cut, Tom Slough and Grant line river. page down and you can see a pic of the Tracy blvd bridge. http://www.usbr.gov/mp/nepa/documentShow.cfm?Doc_ID=2008

Now with all of these water ways around, why the pond? could the man have seen Williams in the boat with Sandra? We have been told Sandra was killed on the day she went missing is that a fact or an assumption?   


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
Just making note:

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9334/1869525001698.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/1869525001698.jpg/)

Nieto, Juan
Last Known Address:    

950 SULTANA DR
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code 95376

Description
Date of Birth:    06-10-1971
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'6"
Weight:    160
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    HISPANIC

Offenses 
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

Scars/Marks/Tattoos 
SCAR NOSE

Known Aliases
FRANCO, JUAN NEIDO
FRANCO N, JUAN
FRANCONIETO, JUAN
HERNANDEZ, JESUS MUNOZ
NIETO, JUAN FRANCO


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 09:41:54 PM
I think the  one police cadet noticed a truck there on that street  and reported it.  The houses are not right next to the ponds. If I recall correctly, Bacchetti sort of veers off to the right from Tracy Blvd and if you continue straight you wind up where the houses are. but you can turn right and be on whitehall and a little bit down Whitehall are the ponds. There is a big field between the dairy building and cow pens (is that what it is called? I am a city girl, lol) There are also trees. So I am not sure if the view is wide open for the people who live in the homes to see.

Snipped:


A police cadet also said Friday that he saw someone "acting real strange" at an irrigation pond near where Cantu's body was found.

The driver — a white man in his late 40s or early 50s wearing a white baseball cap and gray T-shirt — appeared to be looking down at the ditch beside the road, said 19-year-old Memory. Only four or five cars travel the remote road, which is a dead end, on a typical day, he noted.

Stephen Memory said he thought it was odd to see a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked on the shoulder of the road facing in the wrong direction on the afternoon of April 3. Sandra's body was found April 6.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html[/b]]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514042,00.html (http://[b)

I sure wish the cadet would have went further and confronted the man.
Somewhere within these thousands of posts we have a pic of a man in a truck who is believed to be the one dropping off the note at the memorial. The man inside posters said looked like Fred Williams.

Where is the story of the man who saw a person in the boat with Sandra? When did he see that? Sister?? please help me find this and the pic???? You rock at finding things, lol.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 14, 2009, 09:46:21 PM
Hi Love,
You need to go to blinkoncrime.com.  There is a list of different cases Blink is working on, under Sandra Cantu you see the name Johnny Williams, not what's his face Williams, oh yeah, Fred.  Click on Johnny Williams and I think you will find what you are looking for.
If not, let me know and I hunt some more.
 :2waver:


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 14, 2009, 09:55:29 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/09/sandra-cantu-casenew-developments


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 10:41:03 PM
Here is another thing about the ponds and why it strikes me as a strange place. First off, they are wide open, not much around the ponds, however you have to admit they are not a place anyone would swim.

Across Whitehall there is a creek, it is well hidden with bushes then down Whitehall I am pretty sure it meets up with a larger creek, not sure if it could be called a river or a creek. I think that is the Tom Payne slough area DD spoke off or maybe old river? I looked it up and I think you can take boats or rafts? I have never been there so I am not sure. Is that where the man who saw someone in a boat who looked like Williams? Where did he see him? was it around this area?

This is a neat site, shows the water ways around Nor cal especially The Old River, Sugar Cut, Tom Slough and Grant line river. page down and you can see a pic of the Tracy blvd bridge. http://www.usbr.gov/mp/nepa/documentShow.cfm?Doc_ID=2008

Now with all of these water ways around, why the pond? could the man have seen Williams in the boat with Sandra? We have been told Sandra was killed on the day she went missing is that a fact or an assumption?   

Great Job Tracy Girl, and just like the cadet, why do we only hear of the actual
claim that the cadet saw a man and vehicle, and also Johnny Williams. Was there a follow up on Johnny Williams, why would Johnny come forward if he was lying?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/09/sandra-cantu-casenew-developments



Thank you sister, ::MonkeyAngel:: and that pic of lawless and williams looks suspicious really!!!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 10:45:56 PM
here are my notes for the video that was on the net and no longer there.  I have notes for all of the old videos.  also I notice this from my notes.   on the same video about johnny williams seeing fred williams in the boat, is the info this is the same video where fred williams is yelling at the news media to get off his property at the mobile home in lathrop.  the date on my notes gives the date of the video.  I clicked on the link but the video is no long there ugh. 

__________________________
from my notes

Video -J Williams Points @ Fred - FW Runs Off News 4/10/09
video
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

Johnny Williams is NOT RELATED to Fred Williams

Fred Williams is a member of the Clover Road Baptist Church where Clifford Lane Lawless is the pastor.

Johnny Williams is a man from Oakland who says he thought he saw Sandra in a boat with Fred Williams. He said the girl in the boat waved at him. He said the man in the boat was acting suspicious. He told the police what he saw but he says they did not follow up on it. He still says they did not. He says if they prove she died before April 2, 2009 then he guesses he is wrong. However, he seems very sure of this.

He said when he saw Fred Williams on the news he recognized him as the man in the boat with the girl who looked like Sandra.

____________________

also

Fred Williams he telling the news reporters to get off his property at his home in Lathrop.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 10:48:53 PM
more of my old notes
_________________


Reported Suspicious Man/Car By Pond Be4 Sandra Found 4/10/09
okay I looked it up

4/1/09 press conference by police says the cadaver scent was found by the searchers to the NORTH of 205...

so--

4/1/09 cadaver scent found north of 205/Old River/Nothing found

"Cadaver dogs picked up a scent Sunday morning along a river north of Tracy, Sheneman said. Divers searched the water while others searched along the water line. He said there was no sign anyone had been there and nothing was found."

4/2/09 Johnny Williams thinks he saw man in boat w/sandra (where?)


4/3/09 Cadet Memory saw suspicious man in truck by pond where sandra was found


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 10:54:37 PM
here is another one of my old posts in my files, this was when they were searching at about the time they said something about johnny williams seeing a man in a boat.  I was never sure if this was the same area.  they never did say where johnny williams saw the man in the boat, but I had wondered if it was in the area I posted about in my notes below. 

the cadaver dogs also hit on OLD RIVER... this was very early on. 

_____________
my notes
What River Was "A" Scent Found On?
ok the video shows they were on the san joaquin river. That is a very long river, could be anywhere, but they said it was in the wildlife area. It showed boats going under a big bridge, and at one part is showed some little houseboat-like thing on the river.

now how did they figure out they should go to that area?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 10:57:18 PM
this is another old post in my files.  I was posting on a private board at the time.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Apr 06, 2009

What River Was "A" Scent Found On?
The above video says the cadaver dogs picked up the scent at the Tracy Wildlife Area.

The article above says the dogs hit on the river NORTH of 205.

Where exactly is the Tracy Wildlife Area?

So if the Tracy Wildlife Area is
at the end of tracy blvd
over first bridge over the delta
wildlife area is just to the left of the bridge.

then we should be able to identify this area on a map.
I'll go look at a map and figure out where this place is.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:00:29 PM
now at the time I was wondering why they were searching this area.  I had thought it was because the dogs had hit on old river, but at the same time johnny williams was saying he saw a man in a boat with sandra, but that info did not come out til later, but the police had that info right off.  I always wondered why the police chose the area they did to go look.  my directions in the previous post were taken from a video that was about their search on the river, I was watching the video when I posted that.  All these videos are gone now, unless someone can find them.  the dates of the videos would be the dates of my posts then, because I kept up with this case minute by minute.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
So the man Johnny williams said in an interview "..If Police say she was already dead by April 2nd, then I am wrong.. But I saw a heavy set man with a thick moustache interviewed on Tv yesterday and it’s him, it’s the man I saw on the boat.."

The cadet saw a man in a truck on April 3rd, sandra was found april 6th. Hmmmmm


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 11:10:44 PM
more of my old notes
_________________


Reported Suspicious Man/Car By Pond Be4 Sandra Found 4/10/09
okay I looked it up

4/1/09 press conference by police says the cadaver scent was found by the searchers to the NORTH of 205...

so--

4/1/09 cadaver scent found north of 205/Old River/Nothing found

"Cadaver dogs picked up a scent Sunday morning along a river north of Tracy, Sheneman said. Divers searched the water while others searched along the water line. He said there was no sign anyone had been there and nothing was found."

4/2/09 Johnny Williams thinks he saw man in boat w/sandra (where?)


4/3/09 Cadet Memory saw suspicious man in truck by pond where sandra was found


wow DD, "Cadaver dogs picked up a scent Sunday morning along a river north of Tracy"..oh my!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:23:51 PM
I have to wonder "why" the irrigation pond was chosen as the place of deposit for sandra's body.  It certainly was not deep and not a place that a body would stay hidden.  I personally believe there was never any intention for her to stay and be hidden away there.  I also wonder why choose Whitehall road, why write the note.  Why use your own suitcase, and then put it where it is obviously going to be found.  Why interject yourself into the case?  It was said melissa went to the police station and was acting like she thought she was "helping the police", until she figured out they suspected her.  There are killers who do this.  There are many criminals who will commit crimes or start fires and then show up and interject themself into the investigation.  There are also killers who write notes and taunt the police.  I always believe Melissa was reading other crime cases and following patterns of other killers she read about.  There are a lot of melissa's patterns that seem to fit other cases. 

I don't know if Melissa had read crime books, or read about them on the net, or what or who she was involved in, but I don't think she thought all of this up on her own. 

I think the intention was to go back to the pond and move the body, but for some reason that did not happen.  Somehow the whole pre-planned crime got all botched up.  I don't know what she thought she was doing by writing that note. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 11:26:45 PM
DD Johnny Williams did say where he saw her, I read it  somewhere, either the tracy press, the san joaquin hearld? He said he was driving back from stockton, so that would be on the 5 or the 205. What river crosses those freeways? I know you go on a bridge that passes over..oh man what is that river called? I have no idea I think. It is where the 120, the 5 and the 205 sort of meet up.

I will try to look for the article and post it.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:30:59 PM
I followed this case closely and have tons of news articles and notes.  I have all the links of the videos but they are no longer there. ugh.  but I copied as many articles as I could about everything.  They are all dated. 

on the photo of the truck I posted, in my notes I wrote this with the photo

this is the KIND OF TRUCK Cadet Memory said he saw on 4/3/09 with the suspicious man near the pond where sandra was found a week later.
this is also the area where the pond is... to your left of the photo where you see the pole things, that is the entrance to the pond just on the other side of those poles.

so if you go to the photo of the truck going down the road, and look to the left at the poles in the photo, the pond entrance is just on the other side of the poles.  I have pics of the whole area, let me find them.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:32:12 PM
DD Johnny Williams did say where he saw her, I read it  somewhere, either the tracy press, the san joaquin hearld? He said he was driving back from stockton, so that would be on the 5 or the 205. What river crosses those freeways? I know you go on a bridge that passes over..oh man what is that river called? I have no idea I think. It is where the 120, the 5 and the 205 sort of meet up.

I will try to look for the article and post it.

I'll look too, like I said, I copied so many articles.  maybe I have it. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 14, 2009, 11:34:58 PM
I have to wonder "why" the irrigation pond was chosen as the place of deposit for sandra's body.  It certainly was not deep and not a place that a body would stay hidden.  I personally believe there was never any intention for her to stay and be hidden away there.  I also wonder why choose Whitehall road, why write the note.  Why use your own suitcase, and then put it where it is obviously going to be found.  Why interject yourself into the case?  It was said melissa went to the police station and was acting like she thought she was "helping the police", until she figured out they suspected her.  There are killers who do this.  There are many criminals who will commit crimes or start fires and then show up and interject themself into the investigation.  There are also killers who write notes and taunt the police.  I always believe Melissa was reading other crime cases and following patterns of other killers she read about.  There are a lot of melissa's patterns that seem to fit other cases. 

I don't know if Melissa had read crime books, or read about them on the net, or what or who she was involved in, but I don't think she thought all of this up on her own. 

I think the intention was to go back to the pond and move the body, but for some reason that did not happen.  Somehow the whole pre-planned crime got all botched up.  I don't know what she thought she was doing by writing that note. 

DD, I agree.  I think it was to be a temporary location.  I still "feel" there is something significant about the suit-case.  I just don't know what it is.  It's late here, good night all -- go get 'em!!!
 :smt015


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:35:14 PM
from my old notes
____________

Man Says He Knows Who Killed Sandra Cantu 4/9/09
Man Says He Knows Who Killed Sandra Cantu


By: Matthew Keys
Interview: Darsha Philips
FOX40 News

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

Authorities told FOX40 Thursday afternoon that they've investigated Williams' lead with no results.

Sandra Cantu's body was recovered from a sealed piece of black luggage found floating in an irrigation canal by farm workers on Monday afternoon.

On Tuesday, the pastor of a Baptist church near Sandra Cantu's home had been questioned by police in connection with Sandra's murder. Pastor Lane Lawless denies having any connection to Sandra's murder.

Prior to her body's recovery, Sandra Cantu's father agreed to and passed a polygraph test given by authorities.

Authorities continue to insist that, while nobody has been ruled out as a person of interest, that they do not have one specific suspect or a group of suspects in mind that they are focusing on.





http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sand ... eedID=2674


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 14, 2009, 11:38:21 PM
from my old notes, and this link still works with the video of johnny williams.

april 9 2009
Did Police Follow Up Lead Of Man In Boat With Girl?
Video With Johnny Williams talking about the police not following up on his tip.

http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 14, 2009, 11:46:18 PM
Just making note:

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9334/1869525001698.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/1869525001698.jpg/)

Nieto, Juan
Last Known Address:    

950 SULTANA DR
TRACY, 95376
County:    SAN JOAQUIN
Zip Code 95376

Description
Date of Birth:    06-10-1971
Sex:    MALE
Height:    5'6"
Weight:    160
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    HISPANIC

Offenses 
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

Scars/Marks/Tattoos 
SCAR NOSE

Known Aliases
FRANCO, JUAN NEIDO
FRANCO N, JUAN
FRANCONIETO, JUAN
HERNANDEZ, JESUS MUNOZ
NIETO, JUAN FRANCO



Just comparing pictures and the things noted in the article...

Snipped:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090508/A_NEWS/905080394/-1/A_COMM04

Margarita Franco had concerns of her own that day. Her children have attended Delta Island Elementary School, a campus with mostly migrant children, and a place that parents call more than a school. It's a community center. But the Tracy Unified School District, facing severe budget shortfalls, had decided to close the school - among the smallest in attendance and the most expensive per pupil to operate.

So Margarita Franco and several other parents were on a bus, touring area charter schools. She was focused on the needs of her children and whether she and other parents might be able to start a charter school.


Jose Franco has worked on the farm for 11 years, providing for his family and trying to create a better future for them.

Jose Franco decided a half-hour before the public event to accept the money in private. He wanted to avoid media attention.

I know that we can take things the wrong way at times, but sometimes when you
hit a dead end then you have to find a different direction. So I am just looking around.
Maybe I shouldn't be thinking so much?? Please do tell if I am...

I also look at this story and think why would someone do that, they would be scared that if anyone else was involved they would be told on? So again just looking around..


~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
DD I think we may all be thinking the same thing here. The pond is not a spot to hide a child in a suitcase. Lets pretend for a moment that fred williams had sandra and Johnny wiliams did really see her and the cadet did see williams at the pond. Where does this leave us? I think it leads us to the first thought everyone had, MH didnt act alone. If she didn't act alone, then who helped her?

Who are our players? it seems Williams could have, we don't know where CL was that day, MH mom, where was she? Was she up in Tracy yet to pick up MH's daughter who they say was leaving with her the next day? Seems like she would come up and visit with everyone right? Sort of a long drive to do a one day trip. MH dad, uncle, cousins, siblings I think were said to have been at their perspective homes. MH's dad was said to not have spoken to his daughter in a long time, why? is that true? Why say that? Where did that come from? Who said it?  MH's daughter? There has been conflicting reports, she was there, not there...Connie lawless? She was supposed to be at home, but there is confusion if that is right or not.





Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Love there was talk that maybe he is not legal so that is why he was not wanting the attention. not sure if that is true or not.

My opinion is he doesn't have anything to do with this, he was just the unfortunate person to have found it. Who knows really but I don't think he or the dairy was a part of this. Lets say the suitcase was left there to later transport, why then would the pond be drained?

But if the case was left there to later transport, where would they be taking it? Was it a place to store it until they could get rid of it? Why didn't they just throw it in the river or a lake or put it out in the middle of no where,there is plenty of "no where" in Tracy.  So why store it to move?

I am full of questions aren't I? lol. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:08:04 AM
it also seems to me the suitcase should have risen in that pond.  was it anchored down?  there are cases where bodies rise to the surface when they have been anchored down with very heavy weights and in much deeper water.  HOw did she toss that suitcase out there anyway.  I probably could but where at was it tossed.  how would someone tossing it out in the pond even know if it would sink?  what if it didn't?

how do you know that pond is even out there in the first place?  if hardly anyone ever goes down that road, why would you just out of the blue go down that road and find the pond?  was this done in bright daylight ?  how would you see it at night to end up there? 

why would you not go put her in the delta mendota canal, like everyone else does?  or at least the river?  that pond is the craziest place in the world to put sandra in a suitcase. 

in the news you notice they say the note named two streets and the "word whitehall".  well the name of the street is whitehall.  so did she have 2 other streets names besides whitehall?  I posted over on THE NOTE thread about the note.

why do they say THE WORD whitehall.  was the note cyrptic?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:11:32 AM
Love there was talk that maybe he is not legal so that is why he was not wanting the attention. not sure if that is true or not.

My opinion is he doesn't have anything to do with this, he was just the unfortunate person to have found it. Who knows really but I don't think he or the dairy was a part of this. Lets say the suitcase was left there to later transport, why then would the pond be drained?

But if the case was left there to later transport, where would they be taking it? Was it a place to store it until they could get rid of it? Why didn't they just throw it in the river or a lake or put it out in the middle of no where,there is plenty of "no where" in Tracy.  So why store it to move?

I am full of questions aren't I? lol. 

we need to be full of questions because there is more to her METHOD than meets the eye, IMO.  I honestly believe everything was done for a reason, misspelling suitcase, the note, whitehall, etc.  why write a note in the first place.  And why didn't the police just go out there and find it if it gave specific locationns... makes you wonder if it was not a note with cryptic clues... and if so, why?  what was she doing that for? 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:14:47 AM
I had wondered if she had sandra's body out at the OLD RIVER where the cadaver dogs hit, before sandra was put in the pond.  if so, why was she moving her around? then giving clues...did she want to send the police on a wildgoose chase? then move her, then give another clue?  maybe she just wanted to watch them chase all over the place? if she really wanted to hide sandra's body for good she would have put her somewhere else, left her there and never wrote a note.  in the phone interview she seemed to think she was being a great help to the police.  what a weirdo. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 15, 2009, 12:18:20 AM
white hall as in the one as the church -- a white building?  A hall is usually was you call the outbuilding.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:19:30 AM
I just had a thought, maybe there was some other little girl who resembled sandra who was out in a boat with fred williams.  Melissa drugged another little girl, how do we know she didn't drug MANY or where did she really take these children.  maybe if johnny williams really saw fred out with some little girl, he took her back because he knew someone had seen him.  lots of maybes and what-ifs, but hey, you have to wonder. 

I also belive that note he wrote was for melissa from him.  but he worded it the way he did so no one would know he was talking to melissa himself.  just a thought.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
Love there was talk that maybe he is not legal so that is why he was not wanting the attention. not sure if that is true or not.

My opinion is he doesn't have anything to do with this, he was just the unfortunate person to have found it. Who knows really but I don't think he or the dairy was a part of this. Lets say the suitcase was left there to later transport, why then would the pond be drained?

But if the case was left there to later transport, where would they be taking it? Was it a place to store it until they could get rid of it? Why didn't they just throw it in the river or a lake or put it out in the middle of no where,there is plenty of "no where" in Tracy.  So why store it to move?

I am full of questions aren't I? lol. 

I have questions too Tracy Girl as you can see..lol.. ::MonkeyAngel::

I am thinking it was done in a panic maybe, I do not see anyone dumping it and then later going back to transport it. They would have left too many traces if they did that. And I wonder why they didn't throw it in the river like you and DD said? It is a very strange location to dispose of evidence.

And I understand about what you are saying about Franco, I just am looking at every one involved, putting it out there for feedback. It seems in this case anything is possible. And damn, I wish i could have been there to Help Sandra. It is so sad, so very sad..

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:22:44 AM
white hall as in the one as the church -- a white building?  A hall is usually was you call the outbuilding.

I had thought the white hall was also refering to the church.  I just did not want to get into all of my cryptic thoughts but if you mention it, yes, I think it could be just that.  It might also be a clue to some other crime. 

also whitehall is a street in westminster, connected to jack the ripper.  and westminster is also the town her mother lived in and the highschool her mother went to.  See I believe she was giving cryptic clues and then sitting back and watching the police.  This kind of behavior happens a lot with serial killers. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 12:25:47 AM
DD Why am I thinking I remember reading when the note was first talked about, it said Whitehall but the other street was said to be incorrect? Does anyone remember that? This is important. If it was the name of the two streets where the ponds are at, they would have just said both names.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 15, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
So sick!!
Justice for our voiceless victims!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 12:29:16 AM
I had wondered if she had sandra's body out at the OLD RIVER where the cadaver dogs hit, before sandra was put in the pond.  if so, why was she moving her around? then giving clues...did she want to send the police on a wildgoose chase? then move her, then give another clue?  maybe she just wanted to watch them chase all over the place? if she really wanted to hide sandra's body for good she would have put her somewhere else, left her there and never wrote a note.  in the phone interview she seemed to think she was being a great help to the police.  what a weirdo. 

I was thinking that since the dogs found a scent, then what Johnny Williams is true. That maybe Sandra had actually been out there at some point with someone. Was the scent the dogs were given of Sandra's only?
And how long does the scent of a person last?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 12:29:46 AM
Love there was talk that maybe he is not legal so that is why he was not wanting the attention. not sure if that is true or not.

My opinion is he doesn't have anything to do with this, he was just the unfortunate person to have found it. Who knows really but I don't think he or the dairy was a part of this. Lets say the suitcase was left there to later transport, why then would the pond be drained?

But if the case was left there to later transport, where would they be taking it? Was it a place to store it until they could get rid of it? Why didn't they just throw it in the river or a lake or put it out in the middle of no where,there is plenty of "no where" in Tracy.  So why store it to move?

I am full of questions aren't I? lol. 

I have questions too Tracy Girl as you can see..lol.. ::MonkeyAngel::

I am thinking it was done in a panic maybe, I do not see anyone dumping it and then later going back to transport it. They would have left too many traces if they did that. And I wonder why they didn't throw it in the river like you and DD said? It is a very strange location to dispose of evidence.

And I understand about what you are saying about Franco, I just am looking at every one involved, putting it out there for feedback. It seems in this case anything is possible. And damn, I wish i could have been there to Help Sandra. It is so sad, so very sad..

~Love~

I think we are all full of questions tonight! I think what you are doing is great! You rock Love!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:31:46 AM
whitehall is very close to the tom paine slough, basically it is the tom paine slough area.  again, I study serial killer cases and cases with cryptics, this area matches up with clues from other cases.  I noticed this right off because I have studied this whole area for several years.  I have believed for years there is a serial killer/killers in this area, and I became interested in this case day one because of the area and I said right off(to others) they are going to find that girl either out on the paradise cut/island, or out there at the tom paine slough.  It's very predictable when you know the patterns. 

now I could be wrong, but there is just too much matching the patterns.  what baffles me is MELISSA being the one.  she is too young for my suspicions about the serial killers in the area theory I have.  This is one of the reasons I believe she is connected to someone else.  I believe these murders have been going on for a long time and before melissa would be old enough to have been the one, so is she connected to a serial killer?  this is my thought.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:37:48 AM
DD Why am I thinking I remember reading when the note was first talked about, it said Whitehall but the other street was said to be incorrect? Does anyone remember that? This is important. If it was the name of the two streets where the ponds are at, they would have just said both names.

this is exactly what I think, why wouldn't they just say the name of the other street, obviously the pond is on whitehall by baccheti, why try to hide the name of the street of baccheti?  they wouldn't. and in the news video they say there are the names of two streets and the "word" whitehall.  well were there two other street names, and if so what were they and why won't they release those names.  also why won't they release a copy of the note, they released the note fred williams was suppose to write.  they released the papers where melissa wrote about her x boyfriend stalking and threatening her.  yet they keep the names of two streets hidden and the way she misspelled suitcase, etc? 


also if she came right out and said go to whitehall road why didn't they?  and they are saying the "word" whitehall, as if that is something other than the two street names.  so what streets are they?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 12:38:31 AM
 wow!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:42:28 AM
I had wondered if she had sandra's body out at the OLD RIVER where the cadaver dogs hit, before sandra was put in the pond.  if so, why was she moving her around? then giving clues...did she want to send the police on a wildgoose chase? then move her, then give another clue?  maybe she just wanted to watch them chase all over the place? if she really wanted to hide sandra's body for good she would have put her somewhere else, left her there and never wrote a note.  in the phone interview she seemed to think she was being a great help to the police.  what a weirdo. 

I was thinking that since the dogs found a scent, then what Johnny Williams is true. That maybe Sandra had actually been out there at some point with someone. Was the scent the dogs were given of Sandra's only?
And how long does the scent of a person last?

they had CADAVER dogs out there which found the scent on Old River.  There are two kinds of dogs they use.  One is the TRAILING dog who uses the scent of the specific victim and detects the specific victim scent... the cadaver dog detects only dead scent.  It can be of anyone, or sometimes just dead tissue, might not be a person.   so if they had cadaver dogs all they would hit on is something dead. 

a scent can last a very long time, depends on the weather, depends on what the person was in, a container, a car driving, or someone being out there etc, or something of theirs being thrown out there.  cadaver scent can last for a very very long time, and bones can be scented as well years later


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 12:44:35 AM
whitehall is very close to the tom paine slough, basically it is the tom paine slough area.  again, I study serial killer cases and cases with cryptics, this area matches up with clues from other cases.  I noticed this right off because I have studied this whole area for several years.  I have believed for years there is a serial killer/killers in this area, and I became interested in this case day one because of the area and I said right off(to others) they are going to find that girl either out on the paradise cut/island, or out there at the tom paine slough.  It's very predictable when you know the patterns. 

now I could be wrong, but there is just too much matching the patterns.  what baffles me is MELISSA being the one.  she is too young for my suspicions about the serial killers in the area theory I have.  This is one of the reasons I believe she is connected to someone else.  I believe these murders have been going on for a long time and before melissa would be old enough to have been the one, so is she connected to a serial killer?  this is my thought.


I am with you on the age DD, that was the first thing that caught my attention. I was thinking, "A 28 yo females mentality is capable of doing this?...Even alone for that matter? That's what gets me! And it has been the same thought all along. Just trying to figure out why and who she knew.

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2009, 12:45:10 AM
I will be back on in about a 1/2 hour.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:48:05 AM
I remember right off they were searching up by old river, they were also searching to the south on 11th street.  That made me wonder if the other street or streets is 11th or two streets off 11th.  They had to have a reason to choose those two areas.  They did this right off.  I always thought the killer/killers were communicating to the police, and I always thought all those press conferences which said nothing were the police communicating back.  I know I probably sound nuts about now, sorry, but this is what I was thinking at the time and I still do.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
I had wondered if she had sandra's body out at the OLD RIVER where the cadaver dogs hit, before sandra was put in the pond.  if so, why was she moving her around? then giving clues...did she want to send the police on a wildgoose chase? then move her, then give another clue?  maybe she just wanted to watch them chase all over the place? if she really wanted to hide sandra's body for good she would have put her somewhere else, left her there and never wrote a note.  in the phone interview she seemed to think she was being a great help to the police.  what a weirdo. 

I was thinking that since the dogs found a scent, then what Johnny Williams is true. That maybe Sandra had actually been out there at some point with someone. Was the scent the dogs were given of Sandra's only?
And how long does the scent of a person last?

they had CADAVER dogs out there which found the scent on Old River.  There are two kinds of dogs they use.  One is the TRAILING dog who uses the scent of the specific victim and detects the specific victim scent... the cadaver dog detects only dead scent.  It can be of anyone, or sometimes just dead tissue, might not be a person.   so if they had cadaver dogs all they would hit on is something dead. 

a scent can last a very long time, depends on the weather, depends on what the person was in, a container, a car driving, or someone being out there etc, or something of theirs being thrown out there.  cadaver scent can last for a very very long time, and bones can be scented as well years later





Ohhhhhhhh, so the the cadaver dogs detected a death scent the. That helps a alot DD, thank you! Now I understand better!.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 15, 2009, 12:51:02 AM
DD, I totally agree -- thus the gag order.
O/T kinda who is Ann Lessig and why do I care?  connected to a Johnson?
nite for real
 :smt006


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 12:53:36 AM
whitehall is very close to the tom paine slough, basically it is the tom paine slough area.  again, I study serial killer cases and cases with cryptics, this area matches up with clues from other cases.  I noticed this right off because I have studied this whole area for several years.  I have believed for years there is a serial killer/killers in this area, and I became interested in this case day one because of the area and I said right off(to others) they are going to find that girl either out on the paradise cut/island, or out there at the tom paine slough.  It's very predictable when you know the patterns. 

now I could be wrong, but there is just too much matching the patterns.  what baffles me is MELISSA being the one.  she is too young for my suspicions about the serial killers in the area theory I have.  This is one of the reasons I believe she is connected to someone else.  I believe these murders have been going on for a long time and before melissa would be old enough to have been the one, so is she connected to a serial killer?  this is my thought.


I am with you on the age DD, that was the first thing that caught my attention. I was thinking, "A 28 yo females mentality is capable of doing this?...Even alone for that matter? That's what gets me! And it has been the same thought all along. Just trying to figure out why and who she knew.
~Love~


I don't have any trouble believeing a young female can commit murder, in fact I had told people I thought there is a woman involved in this.  but the fact that I think this case has so many pattern matches as other cases I look at, IF there is any connection  then melissa is too young to be the person I am looking for, so then she has to be connected to someone else.  Now I might be wrong and there might not be any connection at all, but I personally believe there could be.  Just too much is matching up for me.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 12:59:26 AM
I remember right off they were searching up by old river, they were also searching to the south on 11th street.  That made me wonder if the other street or streets is 11th or two streets off 11th.  They had to have a reason to choose those two areas.  They did this right off.  I always thought the killer/killers were communicating to the police, and I always thought all those press conferences which said nothing were the police communicating back.  I know I probably sound nuts about now, sorry, but this is what I was thinking at the time and I still do.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Why didn't you tell us befor DD?..It doesn't sound nuts it makes sense. There are many thoughts I do not post because i feel funny.. ::cartwheel::..But like they say when taking my college exams, "Your first answer is usually the correct one"...LOL

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 15, 2009, 01:01:25 AM
I remember right off they were searching up by old river, they were also searching to the south on 11th street.  That made me wonder if the other street or streets is 11th or two streets off 11th.  They had to have a reason to choose those two areas.  They did this right off.  I always thought the killer/killers were communicating to the police, and I always thought all those press conferences which said nothing were the police communicating back.  I know I probably sound nuts about now, sorry, but this is what I was thinking at the time and I still do.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Why didn't you tell us befor DD?..It doesn't sound nuts it makes sense. There are many thoughts I do not post because i feel funny.. ::cartwheel::..But like they say when taking my college exams, "Your first answer is usually the correct one"...LOL

~Love~

well for one, I was not on the board at the beginning of the case and #2 I don't like to just pop up out of the blue and start rambling craziness  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 15, 2009, 01:38:23 AM
This is so intense really, and the history that you speak of is awful DD. I have to go to bed now, I will be back tomorrow to help. I wish everyone a goodnight, and Sister you are funny. You always keep us on our toes..LOL...and thank you DD and Tracygirl and Sister and whoever else (lol)for not being mean about my  silly thoughts, I have just have question and am inquisitive of things.

P.S. Just one more thought always on my mind. Is the Wenatche ring, how many came out of that, with maybe changed names? and the children where did they go, who fosters them now etc.. I researched for hours once on this. Thinking of the lawless ones who we find no records of etc..But that's another thread for another time. We need to find justice for sweet innocent Sandra...

Sweet Dreams
~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:17:19 PM
Here is another thing about the ponds and why it strikes me as a strange place. First off, they are wide open, not much around the ponds, however you have to admit they are not a place anyone would swim.

Across Whitehall there is a creek, it is well hidden with bushes then down Whitehall I am pretty sure it meets up with a larger creek, not sure if it could be called a river or a creek. I think that is the Tom Payne slough area DD spoke off or maybe old river? I looked it up and I think you can take boats or rafts? I have never been there so I am not sure. Is that where the man who saw someone in a boat who looked like Williams? Where did he see him? was it around this area?

This is a neat site, shows the water ways around Nor cal especially The Old River, Sugar Cut, Tom Slough and Grant line river. page down and you can see a pic of the Tracy blvd bridge. http://www.usbr.gov/mp/nepa/documentShow.cfm?Doc_ID=2008

Now with all of these water ways around, why the pond? could the man have seen Williams in the boat with Sandra? We have been told Sandra was killed on the day she went missing is that a fact or an assumption?   

Tracy
You have mentioned some of the very things that run thru my mind a lot with this case!!!  WHY an irrigation pond, out in the OPEN as  you mentioned, and drained regularly!!!!!!!!  So in fact, it was only a matter of time before Sandra would have been found there!

One could argue that MH was a "disorganized killer" and was not thinking clearly...
But WHY the note/s???

And by Golly...
Lest we forget that horrible case MH was supposedly obssesed with....
Little Rose Pisa in Israel...found dead in a SUITCASE!!!!
This is Beautiful Rose
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/rosepisamisthedeadchildmelissahadre.jpg)




Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:21:19 PM
I had wondered if she had sandra's body out at the OLD RIVER where the cadaver dogs hit, before sandra was put in the pond.  if so, why was she moving her around? then giving clues...did she want to send the police on a wildgoose chase? then move her, then give another clue?  maybe she just wanted to watch them chase all over the place? if she really wanted to hide sandra's body for good she would have put her somewhere else, left her there and never wrote a note.  in the phone interview she seemed to think she was being a great help to the police.  what a weirdo. 

I was thinking that since the dogs found a scent, then what Johnny Williams is true. That maybe Sandra had actually been out there at some point with someone. Was the scent the dogs were given of Sandra's only?
And how long does the scent of a person last?

Monkeys
I have not heard cadaver dogs picked up her scent before ...
I know they picked up Haleigh Cummings scent at the water's edge.
I will see if I can verify that cadaver dogs picked up on her scent!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 15, 2009, 02:23:57 PM
whitehall is very close to the tom paine slough, basically it is the tom paine slough area.  again, I study serial killer cases and cases with cryptics, this area matches up with clues from other cases.  I noticed this right off because I have studied this whole area for several years.  I have believed for years there is a serial killer/killers in this area, and I became interested in this case day one because of the area and I said right off(to others) they are going to find that girl either out on the paradise cut/island, or out there at the tom paine slough.  It's very predictable when you know the patterns. 

now I could be wrong, but there is just too much matching the patterns.  what baffles me is MELISSA being the one.  she is too young for my suspicions about the serial killers in the area theory I have.  This is one of the reasons I believe she is connected to someone else.  I believe these murders have been going on for a long time and before melissa would be old enough to have been the one, so is she connected to a serial killer?  this is my thought.

HOLY COW, DD!!!! ::MonkeyShocked::
I gotta process that there may be a series of murders.....

If you are indeed right, and given how smart I think you are...You probably are on to something...this puts a whole NEW spin on things!!!  Whoa!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 16, 2009, 01:08:06 AM
I think we should start a thread on the Rose Pisa case for comparison to anything melissa might have done or any other missing/murders in the area.  I will go start a thread for that, I need to go read the rose pisa case.  There has to be a reason melissa chose that case to read about. who is just going to pick that case out of the blue?  who would even know the case existed?  I still believe it possible melissa read serial killer cases.  ok let me go read that case and start a thread to compare that case with anything melissa might have been doing.  Or someone else etc. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 16, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
I think we should start a thread on the Rose Pisa case for comparison to anything melissa might have done or any other missing/murders in the area.  I will go start a thread for that, I need to go read the rose pisa case.  There has to be a reason melissa chose that case to read about. who is just going to pick that case out of the blue?  who would even know the case existed?  I still believe it possible melissa read serial killer cases.  ok let me go read that case and start a thread to compare that case with anything melissa might have been doing.  Or someone else etc. 

I agree 100%!!!!!!
We are the newshounds...following so many cases.  I for one had never heard of Rose before MH.  Not that I know every case...I most certainly DO NOT!
But...
It seems odd to me that she would know of this case....
Glad you started a thread for the Rose Case Connection! 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 17, 2009, 05:07:49 PM
Snipped:
http://www.birthdatabase.com/cgi-bin/query.pl?textfield=Almer&textfield2=Gomes&age= (http://www.birthdatabase.com/cgi-bin/query.pl?textfield=Almer&textfield2=Gomes&age=)

Almer Gomes
ALMER            GOMES     1922-06-06     Tracy     CA



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Tracing Tracy Territory
by Sam Matthews
Jun 13, 2008

The Old Douglas Market
Larry cleaned it up and remodeled the interior and re-opened what he called the Old Douglas Market in 1976. It was an unpretentious place — a bar and restaurant where people felt comfortable and where they met friends. Food was mostly sandwiches, hamburgers, soups and what became a favorite — Portuguese beans.

Larry presided behind the bar and was assisted at times by others, including Ron Van Hagen, Dan Dodson and occasionally his brother-in-law, Fred Peters.

The Grebils sold the ODM in 1981, and Larry went on to run the Westley Hotel, Sunset Liquors and finally Ralph’s Club. He served two years on the City Council before resigning. He died in 1994.

The ODM was taken over by Don Huck and the Huck and Griffith families, who maintained the same ambiance, menu and personnel.
*Could this be Donald Huckaby???


The Huck-Griffith families ran the ODM into the 1990s, when they sold it after Don’s wife, Geri, became seriously ill. It went downhill from there and was closed for good before the end of the decade.


As an occasional customer, I can still recall in my mind’s eye the island counter, where a group of guys would congregate nearly every day for a protracted lunch hour. With Bert Bacchetti serving as the counter "mayor," the gathering usually included Tom Albano, Dan McKenzie, Bill Jordan, Almer Gomes and others I will no doubt hear about later.


Hmmmm......
So, Bert Bacchetti (dairy owner where Sandra was found) was the "counter mayor" for daily lunch with Almer Gomes!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 17, 2009, 09:59:28 PM
excellent info LONE !!!!

this is the kind of info we really need, to figure out what these people have been doing all these years, and who knows who.  lets find out who this almer gomes is... I'll start a thread for that.  And could you copy this post of yours over there please.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 17, 2009, 10:39:35 PM
 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 03:33:41 PM
well in june of 2006 there were 750 cows at the bacchetti/silva dairy.  and this is where they are discussing air polution from cow manure.  Oh brother  ::MonkeyDevil::

but anyway in the article it tells they have 750 cows and the new law will not affect the silva/bacchetti dairy.


Several local dairy farmers, it seems, still are trying to find out how the new rule could affect them.

Ann Silva, owner of the Bacchetti and Silva Dairy in Tracy, said she doesn't know the details of the proposal except that it won't apply to her farm, which has 750 cows.

But she knows air district officials are planning future rules for smaller dairies. And she has questions about whether such regulations actually help the environment and whether farmers can afford it.

"We want something doable," Silva said. "We don't mind changing our practice at times, as long as it's financially feasible."

Contact reporter Warren Lutz at (209) 546-8295 or wlutz@recordnet.com


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 03:38:15 PM

public meeting dept of food and agriculture 2008

BOARD MEMBER BACCHETTI-SILVA: I'm Ann Silva. I'm a third-generation dairy farmer from Tracy and I'm starting my fourth year on the Board


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 03:38:58 PM
the meeting above was held in ESCONDIDO, CA


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
Ann Silva, who owns the Bacchetti and Silva Dairy Farm where the container was found, said she doesn’t know anything about the investigation being conducted on her property.
Police won’t let her on her farm on the banks of a slough called Sugar Cut, which drains into Old River.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 18, 2009, 04:18:43 PM
Snipped:
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp)


    HUCK, DONALD W
(Age 76)

Associated names:

�HUCK,�D�
�HUCK,�DEAN�F
   Available(3)    Available    
TRACY,�CA
LAS VEGAS,�NV    

Possible Relatives:
HUCK,�GREGORY�W�(Age�49)
HUCK,�GERALDINE�F�(Age�75)
HUCK,�LESTER�W�(Age�104)
HUCK,�G�J
HUCK,�LISA�M�(Age�38)�




Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 18, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
I'm working on the "Lunch Bunch" from Don Huck's lunch counter at the Old Douglas Market...

    HUCK,�DONALD�

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

�TOP PAC GROWERS AND SHIPPERS, INC
   �    Available    TRACY,�CA    ��


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 18, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
      Francis Bacchetti
      James McDermott Post 172, Tracy
      02/16/1932 — 11/09/2007

A prayer service is scheduled Saturday morning for Francis A. Bacchetti, 75, a retired Tracy dairyman who died Friday at Valley Care Medical Center in Pleasanton. A native of Fortuna, Humboldt County, Mr. Bacchetti moved to Tracy in 1944 with his parents, the late Bortollo and Rina Bacchetti. He grew up on the family dairy and attended Tracy schools, graduating in 1950 from Tracy High School.

After serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, Mr. Bacchetti was a partner with his brother, Lino Bacchetti, in Bacchetti Bros. Dairy north of Tracy. The dairy later became Bacchetti and Silva Dairy. In recent years, Mr. Bacchetti was a patient at the convalescent care facility at the Livermore Veterans Affairs Medical Center. He was a member of the American Legion Post 172 of Tracy. Mr. Bacchetti was an active member of committees that over the years organized reunions for Tracy High School’s Class of 1950. He made contact with class members all over the country, and his efforts were credited with increasing participation in the reunions. An avid sports fan, Mr. Bacchetti was a strong supporter of Tracy High football teams for many years and enjoyed keeping statistics of football games and other sports. He enjoyed spending time with family and friends.

Survivors include a brother, Lino Bacchetti of Tracy; four nieces, Marian Bacchetti McGlothlin and Ann Bacchetti Silva, both of Tracy, Carol Bacchetti Dowling of Cincinnati and Rebecca Kuga of Sonoma; two great-nieces; and a great-nephew. His wife, the late Gerda Bacchetti, died in 2006.

Saturday’s prayer service will begin at 10 a.m. at Fry Memorial Chapel, 550 S. Central Ave. Interment will be private. The family prefers memorial contributions to a charity of the donor’s choice.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 18, 2009, 05:16:51 PM

Snipped:-OOOPS..lol

http://www.calegion.org/html/listing-b.html (http://www.calegion.org/html/listing-b.html)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 18, 2009, 05:33:16 PM

Mydairyman.com Articles

Do not let the niceties fool you; Ann is all dairy, all the time. She is part of a dynamic trio running Bacchetti and Silva Dairy in Tracy, CA, along with manager Peter Corallo and herdsman James Gomes, and has been involved in the family operation since 1977.

Snipped:

http://www.mydairyman.com/articles/?p=148 (http://www.mydairyman.com/articles/?p=148)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 06:17:18 PM

Mydairyman.com Articles

Do not let the niceties fool you; Ann is all dairy, all the time. She is part of a dynamic trio running Bacchetti and Silva Dairy in Tracy, CA, along with manager Peter Corallo and herdsman James Gomes, and has been involved in the family operation since 1977.

Snipped:

hmmm herdsman James Gomes, so who is this and is he related to the Gomes across the street from melissa in the MHP? 



http://www.mydairyman.com/articles/?p=148 (http://www.mydairyman.com/articles/?p=148)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 06:18:29 PM
oops my last post got inside the middle of your post ugh...


here is frank james, his mother is a silva, and he is born in san joaquin.  did one of ann silva's sisters marry a gomes?


California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Frank James Gomes
Name: Frank James Gomes
Social Security #: 0 
Sex: MALE 
Birth Date: 30 May 1899
Birthplace: California 
Death Date: 30 Sep 1956
Death Place: San Joaquin 
Mother's Maiden Name: Silva 
Father's Surname: Gomes 
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 18, 2009, 06:20:51 PM
It also looks like your idea that this Gomes family was of Portugese descent is likely true...


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
It also looks like your idea that this Gomes family was of Portugese descent is likely true...

you will find that a good majority of the dairies in the central valley california are owned by Portuguese families.  And most all of them know one another.  The name Silva is very prominent among portuguese dairy owners. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 18, 2009, 07:54:29 PM
Just some things I found...


Portuguese Family Histories

FLORES

make sure you read about Alma Bell!-not in association with our discussion (I don't think anyways..lol) but interesting to say the least..lol


Snipped:
http://www.dholmes.com/histories/flores.html (http://www.dholmes.com/histories/flores.html)

   

I'M PROUD TO BE PORTUGUESE
From "Stories Grandma Never Told"
By Sue Fagalde Lick

This is interesting...

Some families went so far as to change their names to avoid discrimination. Pereira became Perry, Ribeira became River, Joaquim became Joe King.

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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2009, 11:11:57 PM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2009, 11:34:21 PM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.

yes, this is very true, some do not want anyone in that area.  Keep this in mind as we go through this case.  Someone in that area wants no one moving into THEIR TOWN.  The more you know the history the more you realize, they want it to stay just the way it was long ago. I'll eventually get this all together and this info all out here.  It just takes time.  First things first for me, I try to do the most important first.  LOL.  whatever that is LOL


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
Here we have listings of Harris (Connie's maiden name), Hughes (Connie & Lane's daughter Joni is married and now Hughes)and Silva. (Old time Tracy Family & Dairy Owners)....



all below are listed with 300 central, tracy. 


TRACY, CA
CLEVELAND, OH
SHAKER HEIGHTS, OH
WARRENSVILLE HEIGHTS, OH

Possible Relatives:

KNOX, CATHERINE
KNOX, GEORGE HENRY (Age 86)
KNOX, NORRIS W (Age 54)
BURRELL, PENITA P (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HOLMES, EDWARD (Age 82)
HOLMES, EMMA LAURA (Age 82)
HOLMES, BRUCE A (Age 61)
HILLING, JUDITH LEE (Age 46)
BURRELL, RICHARD L (Age 57)


TRACY, CA
VISALIA, CA
SANTA ANA, CA
NEW ORLEANS, LA
ANAHEIM, CA
TULARE, CA

Possible Relatives:

AKHIGBE, DREVLYNN A (Age 52)
THORPE, GABRIEL N (Age 50)
ELLINGTONTHORP, TANYA E (Age 49)
COPELAND, KIMBERLY C (Age 44)
ANTOINE, RORY D (Age 49)
HARRIS, ANGELIA R (Age 43)
THORPE, TAMARA (Age 48)
EDWARDS, RONNIE E (Age 49)
THORPE, TERRY O (Age 51)



 CHULA VISTA, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA
NICE, CA
MODESTO, CA
MORGAN HILL, CA
IMPERIAL BEACH, CA
TRACY, CA
OAKDALE, MA
CHARLESTOWN, MA

Possible Relatives:

MANZANERO, CECILIA (Age 40)
BRADSHAW, MICHAEL MARTIN (Age 64)
BRADWSHAW, PAMELA LEE (Age 63)
BRADSHAW, SCOTT MICHAEL (Age 32)
BRADSHAW, 98 TRUST
BRADSHAW, CECILIA (Age 40)
BRADSHAW, GRAIG M



Possible Employment / Business Associations:

DARMAK, INC
  LAS VEGAS, NV
SCITUATE, MA
DUXBURY, MA
TRACY, CA
Possible Relatives:

KOSMACH, CAREN LINDA (Age 39)
KOSMACH, PAMELA THORNE (Age 64)
WHITLEY, CAREN (Age 39) one of the baptist church pastors and also somewhere in the tree with lawless or harris

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GOSNELL, DAVID DALLAS (Age 38)


FAYETTEVILLE, AR
BENTONVILLE, AR
TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CRAWFORD, DENNIS ANTON (Age 37)
CRAWFORD, DENNIS N
SMITH, DENISE MARIE (Age 39) cammiss mother maiden name is smith
CRAWFORD, DENNIS NEAL (Age 63)
CRAWFORD, JULIA M (Age 64)


 NORTHRIDGE, CA
EAST ORLEANS, MA
FAIRFAX, VA
TRACY, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
SEWICKLEY, PA
AMBLER, PA
NEW YORK, NY
AMBRIDGE, PA

Possible Relatives:

FOLSOM, DEANE A (Age 52)
FOLSOM, ORIS D (Age 81)
FOLSOM, DEANNE R (Age 52)
FOLSOMSR, DEANE R (Age 52)


 PORTERVILLE, CA
SELIGMAN, MO
ROGERS, AR
TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

HIGGINBOTHAM, EARL LAVERL (Age 73)
HIGGENBOTHAM, MARY BETH (Age 59)
HIGGINBOTHAM, SHELLY DANE
HIGGINBOTHAM, MICHELLE E (Age 41)
HIGGINBOTHAM, SHELLY DANE


LAS VEGAS, NV
BRANDON, FL
NORTH ATTLEBORO, MA
ATTLEBORO, MA
LAS VEGAS NV, NV
HENDERSON, NV
MISSION HILLS, CA
NEWPORT, RI
LOWELL, MA
NASHUA, NH
DRACUT, MA
TRACY, CA
LITTLETON, NH

Possible Relatives:

MCGOWAN, GALE A (Age 54)
PROIA, MARIE CLAUDE (Age 62)
PROIA, GALE (Age 54)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

OBRIENIII, DANIEL J (Age 56)
OBRIEN, SANDRA L (Age 37)
RHODES, TAIWANA C (Age 39)
SCOVRONSKI, DICKSIE M (Age 80)
THOMASON, LESTER L (Age 55)
SWIRSKY, PHYLLIS D
HARRINGTON, CHERYL ANN (Age 57)
PHILIP, BEJI (Age 41)
THODES, TAIWANA (Age 39)
ROHLFSEN, TODD THOMAS (Age 38)



ARLINGTON, TX
RICHMOND, TX
CLEWISTON, FL
STAR, ID
ESCONDIDO, CA
TRACY, CA
EMMETT, ID
ANTIOCH, CA

Possible Relatives:

JONES, LINDA WILLIAMS (Age 51)
MARTIN, KENNETH JAMES (Age 44)
MCKENZIE KRING, TAMALA ANN (Age 46) one of the people in the article about the 6 sanders sisters' reunion was MckenzieJONES, MARTY
JONES, REBECCA EVERS (Age 52)
WES, ROSSMANTRAVEL (Age 42)
WEST, GARY DEAN (Age 49)
PHILLEY, CAROLYN MARTIN (Age 69)
JONES, JASON MORRIS (Age 43)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DELZELL, STACY MARIE (Age 27)
BARRON, DAISY
COMBS, BRANDI N




Possible Employment / Business Associations:

J AND B ALBUMS AND ANTIQUES
BIG LAKE, MN
CLEARWATER, MN
PLEASANT HILL, CA
ALBERTVILLE, MN
TRACY, CAMERCED, CA cynthia I Harris m. vernon D browning here, she is connie's sister
MARTINEZ, CA
OKLAHOMA CITY, OK

Possible Relatives:

GUILINGER, E L
GUILINGER, JOHNNIE GLEE (Age 77)
GUILINGER, ROBERT N (Age 79)
GUILINGER, MORELLO
GUILINGER, GLENDA ANN (Age 75)
GUILINGER, G


 BROKEN ARROW, OK
LAS VEGAS, NV
TULSA, OK
OWASSO, OK
FORT SMITH, AR
LONDONDERRY, NH
NASHUA, NH
TRACY, CA
LITTLETON, NH

Possible Relatives:

PROIA, HEATHER DAWN (Age 40)
PROIA, MICHAEL JOSEPH (Age 62)
PROIA, ERIKA LEIGH (Age 38)



TRACY, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA
TEQUESTA, FL
JUPITER, FL
LOUISVILLE, CO
YORK, ME
WEST PALM BEACH, FL
WINCHESTER, NH

Possible Relatives:

GILBERT, SUSAN G (Age 56)
GILBERT, KEVIN JOHN (Age 28)
GILBERT, MATTHEW CHARLES (Age 31)
GILBERT, MATTHEW C (Age 31)
GILBERT, MATTHEW C (Age 31)
 


MOUNT JULIET, TN
HERMITAGE, TN
MADISON, TN
OLD HICKORY, TN
INDIAN ROCKS BEACH, FL
DADE CITY, FL
TRACY, CA
 Possible Relatives:

HOLLAND, KENNETH R (Age 49)
HOLLAND, CYNDI



 MOUNT JULIET, TN
OLD HICKORY, TN
INDIAN ROCKS BEACH, FL
DADE CITY, FL
TRACY, CA
MADISON, TN

Possible Relatives:

HOLLAND, CYNTHIA S (Age 49)
HOLLAND, CYNDI




TRACY, CA
LOUISVILLE, CO
SAN DIEGO, CA
TEQUESTA, FL
JUPITER, FL
YORK, ME
WEST PALM BEACH, FL

Possible Relatives:

GILBERT, CHARLESALLE (Age 58)
GILBERT, KEVIN JOHN (Age 28)
GILBERT, KEVIN JOHN (Age 28)
GILBERT, MATTHEW CHARLES (Age 31)
GILBERT, CHARLES A (Age 58)
GILBERT, MATTHEW CHARLES (Age 31)
GILBERT, MATTHEW C (Age 31)
GILBERT, MATTHEW C (Age 31)
GILBERT, CHARLES




TRACY, CA
PRESQUE ISLE, ME
NEWBURGH, NY
BARSTOW, CA
SAN LEANDRO, CA

Possible Relatives:

MCINTOSH, CLAUDETTE P (Age 76)
BOWEN, HEATHER KATHLEEN (Age 39)
MCINTOSH, KATHERINE L (Age 49)
MCINTOSH, KRISTINE MARIE (Age 26)
MCINTOSH, WILLIAM J (Age 51)
MCINTOSH, MARK A (Age 23)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SAYLOR, LOLA B (Age 48)
LEWIS, JAMES V (Age 33)
IMAN, MARC A (Age 32)



 BEND, OR
SALEM, OR
CORVALLIS, OR
INDEPENDENCE, OR
AUMSVILLE, OR
BALLWIN, MO
COPPELL, TX
GARLAND, TX
SACRAMENTO, CA
WACO, TX
SAINT LOUIS, MO
TRAVERSE CITY, MI
TRACY, CA
DICKINSON, ND

Possible Relatives:

HALFERTY, MATTHEW THOMAS (Age 38)
HALFERTY, SUSAN MARIE (Age 40)
HALFERTY, JOHN T (Age 68)
HALFERTY, LORA JEAN (Age 63)
HALFERTY, THOMAS J (Age 66)
HALFERTY, ERIC R
HALFERTY, TARA L

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ZANDONA, JOHN A (Age 53)
HELLBUSCH, NELSON REID (Age 40)
RUTHERFORD, WIGGINS GLENDA (Age 54)
 


 KANSAS CITY, MO
DALLAS, TX
JEFFERSON CITY, MO
FORT COLLINS, CO
OLATHE, KS
EAGLE CREEK, OR
TRACY, CA
SAINT LOUIS, MO
IRVING, TX

Possible Relatives:

DAWDY, HAROLD EJOE (Age 68)
DAWDY, LORRAINE A (Age 66)
DAWDYMCKINNEY, JENNIFER L (Age 43)
DAWDY, LORAINE H
DAWDY, BARBARA

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SCOTT, BARBARA JO (Age 37)



LATHROP, CA
HUNTINGTON, NY
TRACY, CA
HUNTINGTON STATION, NY
MADISON, WI
MELVILLE, NY
TAMPA, FL
FITCHBURG, WI

Possible Relatives:

STOLZ, IRENE M (Age 45)
STOLZ, ERIK (Age 20)




  LIVERMORE, CA
GARDNER, MA
LANCASTER, MA
MENDON, MA
HARVARD, MA
NIANTIC, CT
TRACY, CA
NEW LONDON, CT

Possible Relatives:

BERNIER, RENEE H (Age 78)
BERNIER, LORETTA M (Age 75)
BERNIER, MAURITA S (Age 43)
 

 RUTHERFORD, NJ
TRACY, CA
CONCORD, CA
CLIFTON, NJ
OAKLAND, CA
MONTCLAIR, NJ
UNION CITY, CA
GLENDALE, CA

Possible Relatives:

SALVADOR, ELIZABETH L (Age 33)
RAMOS, EMILIO V
RAMOS, JASMIN V
RAMOS, JAZMIN V

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MANALO, DOLORES H (Age 85)
ESCOLIN, MARIAJESU R (Age 49)
ESCOLIN, ANTHONY P (Age 52)
ADRIANO, FELIPE G (Age 60)
BENEDICTO, NICHOLASM M (Age 48)
BENEDICTO, MENCHU T (Age 37)
BENEDICTO, NICHOLASM (Age 36)
MERCHU, T MENCHUT


 PASSAIC, NJ
TRACY, CA
PATERSON, NJ
WINTER PARK, FL

Possible Relatives:

TLATELPA, PEDRO A (Age 68)
TLATELPA, HORACEO V
RODRIGUEZ, GEMA V (Age 43)
TLATELPA, HUMBERTO M (Age 46)
TLATELPA, HUMBERTO (Age 41)
TLATELPALOPEZ, TERESA R (Age 40)
TLATELPA, THERESA R (Age 40)
TLATELPA, MARIA R
SOTO, EDWIN D (Age 38)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

OTERO, FIDENCIO A (Age 51)
TEUTLE, ANA
SWENSON, KERRIE A (Age 35)



LINCOLN, CA
TORRANCE, CA
ARCADIA, CA
EULESS, TX
S PASADENA, CA
EL SEGUNDO, CA
TRACY, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FORT WORTH, TX
MANHATTAN BEACH, CA
FREMONT, CA
SAN CARLOS, CA 

 Possible Roommates / Associates:

PRATT, KEVIN DOUGLAS (Age 46)
 

 ST PETERSBURG, FL
TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

SAINT PETERSBURG, FL
LARGO, FL

Possible Relatives:

SESSIONS, MICHAEL NEWTON (Age 48)
SESSIONS, ADAM ROBERT (Age 53)
SESSIONS, MICHAEL G (Age 52)
SESSIONS, MITCH
SESSIONS, GREGORY MICHAEL

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DIPPEL, RICHARD T (Age 48)
MOORE, WAYNE H (Age 77)
MOORE, WENDY G (Age 57)
TINSLEY, VICKI L (Age 45) tinsley is somewhere, forget where



HAYWARD, CA
FORT WORTH, TX
FREMONT, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MALDONADO, ANNETTE ALVELO (Age 40)
ANGEL, MALDONADO (Age 40)
MALDONADO, FELINO M (Age 108)
MALDONADO, THELMA J (Age 108)
MALDONADO, BENJAMIN A (Age 108)
TURNER, LYNETTE CLAIRE (Age 43)
MALDONADO, C
MALDONADO, LINDA M
MALDONADO, THELMA J (Age 108)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HEFFERNAN, VIVIAN J (Age 51)




GRANITE CITY, IL
COLLINSVILLE, IL
SAN ANGELO, TX
KILLEEN, TX
LITHIA SPRINGS, GA
MODESTO, CA
TEMPLE, TX
JARRELL, TX
FENTON, MO
TRACY, CA
BELTON, TX

Possible Relatives:

CRUMLEY, EDWARD TODD (Age 41)
HOLLYWOOD, KIMBERELY M (Age 39)
CRUMLEY, LEASA A


 VIOLA, ID
BELTON, TX
FENTON, MO
TEMPLE, TX
GRANITE CITY, IL
LITHIA SPRINGS, GA
KILLEEN, TX
TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA


Possible Relatives:

CRUMLEY, EDWARD TODD (Age 41)
CRUMLEY, JOHN ALAN (Age 40)
HOLLYWOOD, BRIAN JAMES (Age 36)
 

 TRACY, CA
PLEASANTON, CA
LIVERMORE, CA
BROWNS MILL, NJ
BROWNS MILLS, NJ

Possible Relatives:

ADDARI, DENISE L (Age 40)
LOCHE, JOHN E (Age 77)
LOCHE, PEGGY K (Age 37)
LOCHE, MICHELE
LOCHE, KEITH R
LOCHE, EDITH E (Age 64)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HUDSON, MICHELLE D (Age 39)
HUDSON, EDITH ELAINE (Age 65)
 


WESTAMPTON, NJ
BROWNS MILLS, NJ
LIVERMORE, CA
MOUNT LAUREL, NJ
TRACY, CA
BROWNS MILL, NJ
BURLINGTON, NJ
PEMBERTON, NJ

Possible Relatives:

LOCHE, KEITHROY (Age 42)
ADDARI, ROBERTO C (Age 43)
LOCHE, ADDARI
LOCHE, KEITH R
ADDARI, LOCHE DENISEL
LOCHE, EDITH E (Age 64)
LOCHE, MEGAN
LOCHE, KEITH R (Age 43)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

EXANTUS, EXAMPLAIRE A (Age 41)
HARRIS, JUNG JIN (Age 56)
REMALIA, JUDY A (Age 62)
VIVIAN, MARGARITA G (Age 44)
REMALIA, DAVID L (Age 64)



 HOUSTON, TX
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BLACKMON, JOHN (Age 48)
BLACKMON, SAMUEL
BLACKMON, WENDY (Age 28)
BLACKMON, BETTIE LIPSCOMB (Age 71)
BLACKMON, GEORGE LEE (Age 71)
BLACKMON, FRED K (Age 44)
BLACKMON, T
BLACKMON, GEORGE (Age 50)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LEVIER, ROLAND (Age 64)
BLACKSHIRE, ERIC VON (Age 51)
LEVIER, ALCON JR (Age 80)


 SAINT LOUIS, MO
BALLWIN, MO
LIVERMORE, CA
TRACY, CA

FREMONT, CA
LIVINGSTON, NJ
NUTLEY, NJ
HARRISON, NJ
YORBA LINDA, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
YARDVILLE, NJ

Possible Relatives:

IQBAL, BIRJEES
IQBAL, UMAIR
IQBAL, AYESHA ZIA (Age 38)
IQBAL, ZIA
IQBAL, ABOOBAKER MOHAMMAD
IQBAL, ZIA
IQBAL, GULI
 



MERRITT ISLAND, FL
GRANT, FL
MERRITT IS, FL
TRACY, CA
HOUSTON, TX

Possible Relatives:

BRADLEY, WILLIAM M (Age 72)
BRADLEY, M

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SMITH, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 51) we had smith as the mother's maiden name for cammisaSMITH, NICHOLAS GLEN (Age 50)
SMITH, NICHOLES GLEN (Age 29)


 TRACY, CA
NEW YORK, NY
APO NEW YORK, NY

Possible Relatives:

RIOS, JOSEPH A (Age 64)
DURANTE, TIMOTHY DUTRA (Age 44)
DURANTE, MICHELE CHRISTINE (Age 37)
DURANTE, TIMOTHYDUTR (Age 44)
 

 VACAVILLE, CA
TRACY, CA
CHICO, CA
SONOMA, CA
FAIRFIELD, CA

APO SAN FRANCISCO, CA timothy john lawless also had san fran apo
NEW YORK, NY
APO NEW YORK, NY

Possible Relatives:

DURAN, OLIVIA M (Age 40)
LAGARDARIOS, LIDIA M (Age 57)
RIOS, JUAN LA (Age 68)
RIOSSHIRAR, STEPHANIE A (Age 40)
RIOS, JESSICA MAXINE (Age 34)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

RASPANTI, DOUREEN DENNISE (Age 51)
 

 TRACY, CA
WALNUT CREEK, CA
MANTECA, CA
ANTIOCH, TN
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

ADAMS, JASON A (Age 34)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

TASSONE, BERNADETTE M (Age 47)
 


 EAST LANSING, MI
CYPRESS, TX
GRAND BLANC, MI
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

GOUTHRO, RICHARD L (Age 54)
GOUTHRO, GERRI
GOUTHRO, GERRI (Age 54)
GOUTHRO, NICOLE MARIE (Age 27)



 EAST LANSING, MI
CYPRESS, TX
SAN JOSE, CA
GRAND BLANC, MI
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

GOUTHRO, GERALYN MAIDA (Age 54)
GOUTHRO, GERRI
GOUTHRO, GERRI (Age 54)
GOUTHRO, NICOLE MARIE (Age 27)



ROBSTOWN, TX
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

SANTA CLARA, CA
CORPUS CHRISTI, TX

Possible Relatives:

QUESADA, MARY ANN (Age 41)
YANEZ, CATALINA O (Age 48)
QUESADA, ALBERT
QUESADA, EMMA G (Age 73)
QUESADA, JONNETTA C (Age 25)
QUESADA, CATALINA

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MURRY, ANGELA M (Age 30)
 



 TRACY, CA
MANTECA, CA
ELK GROVE, CA
AUSTIN, TX
NEWTON, KS
SACRAMENTO, CA
DEL VALLE, TX
GLENDALE, AZ

Possible Relatives:  Plummer is the name of the elderly woman at the MHP who's vehicle was returned

PLUMMER, VIVIENNE DARLENE (Age 51)
PLUMMER, Z DARLENE
PLUMMER, VDARLENE (Age 39)
PLUMMER, ANITA M (Age 42)
PLUMMER, PLUMMER GEORGE
PLUMMER, DARLENE (Age 41)
PLUMMER, MICHAEL


Possible Roommates / Associates:

SERRANO, JOE M (Age 41)
HARVEY, ARTHUR BRYAN (Age 61)
HARVEY, JANICE GAYLE (Age 57)
GARCIA, CHRISTINA LOUISA (Age 36)
 


 DULUTH, MN
AUSTIN, TX
SACRAMENTO, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA
PFLUGERVILLE, TX
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA
PATTERSON, CA

HUME, CA

Possible Relatives:

GARZA HOWARD, ELVIA (Age 64)
HOWARD, LINDA D (Age 36)
HOWARD, ROBERT (Age 76)
HOWARD HAMMACK, WINNIFRED D (Age 66)
HOWARD HAMMACK, U
HAMMACK, RICHARD ALLEN (Age 57)
HAMMACK, SHANNON A (Age 29)
COMMINGS, RASHELLE L
WARD, KELLEY CHRISTOPHER (Age 35)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JENKNER, ERICKIA T (Age 46)
VAZQUEZ, VICTOR D (Age 88)
FINNEN, DAVID F (Age 47)
TORRES, JOELDEGUZM (Age 46)



AMARILLO, TX
TRACY, CA
LOS ALAMOS, NM
SANTA FE, NM
AUSTIN, TX

Possible Relatives:

GUERRERO, PAUL ALEXANDER (Age 37)
GUERRERO, ALEJANDRO (Age 61)
GUERRERO, ALEX
GUERRERO, KAREN LEE (Age 36)
GUERRERO, JAMES L (Age 39)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GURERRERO, ROSIE
LUTZ, ROBERT CARL (Age 54)
LUTZ, KAREN K (Age 51)



 AMARILLO, TX
TRACY, CA
LOS ALAMOS, NM

Possible Relatives:

GUERRERO, PAUL ALEXANDER (Age 37)
GUERRERO, ALEX
GUERRERO, ROSELIE G (Age 56)
GUERRERO, KAREN LEE (Age 36)
GUERRERO, JAMES L (Age 39)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GURERRERO, ROSIE
LUTZ, KAREN K (Age 51)
LUTZ, ROBERT CARL (Age 54)



 LAUREL, MS
TRACY, CA
VOSSBURG, MS
VISALIA, CA

Possible Relatives:

MCCOY, MARY LOUISE (Age 50)
HUGHES, SAMUEL E (Age 79) who are these 3 hughes?  
HUGHES, BERNICE C (Age 76)
HUGHES, SAMUEL (Age 56)



LATHROP, CA
MELVILLE, NY
TRACY, CA
HUNTINGTON, NY
HUNTINGTON STATION, NY

Possible Relatives:

STOLZ, CHIRIGERFER J (Age 45)
STOLZ, ERIK (Age 20)



 LONGWOOD, FL
CINCINNATI, OH
SACRAMENTO, CA
HAYWARD, CA
BILOXI, MS
KEESLER AFB, MS
GULFPORT, MS
ATLANTA, GA
WINTER SPRINGS, FL
TRACY, CA
OGDEN, UT

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, TONYA ROSE (Age 36)
COTTRELL, SHEILA MARIE (Age 42)
WRIGHT, KAREN LEE (Age 52)
WRIGHT, DARRYL D (Age 48)
WRIGHT, SHARITHA L (Age 45)
WRIGHT, DARYL
WRIGHT, KENNETH M (Age 31)
CARTWRIGHT, ROB DR (Age 42)
WRIGHT, DANIEL

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ROBINSON, OLIVIA DANIELLE (Age 44)
CANDRL CLOWARD, KIMBERLY (Age 39)
MASON, BENNIE R (Age 53)
ARMSTRONG, ALEXANDRIA ELIZA (Age 29)
MCNUTT, JASON P (Age 32)



TRACY, CA
ALBUQUERQUE, NM
GARDEN CITY, NY
SUNNYVALE, CA
CUTCHOGUE, NY

Possible Relatives:

HOBSON, RICHARD J (Age 88)
HOBSON, DOROTHY U (Age 86)
CHEEK, KEVIN A (Age 43)
CHEEK, JEAN F (Age 73)
CHEEK, KEVIN
HOBSON, JANET (Age 54)
HOBSON, JILL (Age 60)



TRACY, CA
EL PASO, TX

Possible Relatives:

LANDEROS, SANDRA Y (Age 45)
MAYHUGH, SANDRA Y (Age 45)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

LANDEROS, MARIA ONTIVEROS (Age 69)
 


 SAN JOSE, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
HANFORD, CA
MADERA, CA
TRACY, CA
ELIZABETH, CO
LIVERMORE, CA
CENTENNIAL, CO

Possible Relatives:

who are these silva names?
PRICE, LAURA M (Age 34)

DASILVA, JOSE M (Age 78)
DASILVA, BETTY R (Age 48)
DASILVA, ELVIRA C (Age 77)
SILVA, MARIA Z (Age 63)
SILVA, CARLOS H (Age 48)
SILVA, ELVIRA C (Age 55)
SILVA, BRIAN MANUEL (Age 28)
SILVA, JULIE (Age 59)


Possible Roommates / Associates:

MAYOU, BARBARA ANN (Age 78)



STOCKTON, CA right by tracy
ANTELOPE, CA
MADERA, CA
ELIZABETH, CO
SAN JOSE, CA
TRACY, CA
LIVERMORE, CA

CENTENNIAL, CO

Possible Relatives:
who are all these silvas?
SILVA, FERNANDO M (Age 51)
DASILVA, BETTY R (Age 48)
DASILVA, JOSE M (Age 78)
SILVA, CARLOS H (Age 48)
SILVAHURTATO, ELIZABETH (Age 37)
SILVA, ARACELY (Age 40)
SILVA, JULIA G (Age 46)
SILVA, MARIA Z (Age 63)
DASILVA, ELVIRA C (Age 77)


Possible Roommates / Associates:

MAYOU, BARBARA ANN (Age 78)
 



WHEATON, MN
PARKER, CO
ROSHOLT, SD
TRACY, CA
CENTENNIAL, CO
AURORA, CO
LIVERMORE, CA

Possible Relatives:

MAYOU, FRANCIS J (Age 84)
MAYOU, FRANCIS J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SILVA, FERNANDO M (Age 52) hmmm who is this?PRICE, LAURA M (Age 35)
COSTA, BRENDA ANN (Age 52)
PRICE, KAREN E (Age 41)
PRICE, MICHAEL D (Age 47)listed with cammissa above posts
MCFADDEN, CAROLYN J (Age 58)
BUTTKE, THOMAS L (Age 50)
BUSTA, DUNAVON P (Age 36)
BUSTA, ANN M (Age 69)




 NEDERLAND, CO
GOLDEN, CO
SHASTA LAKE, CA just north of redding a few miles, little town
CRESTON, CA
TULARE, CA
TRACY, CA
LAKEWOOD, CO

Possible Relatives:

ROCKETT, JANET MARY (Age 44)
ROCKETT, RAYMOND HOWARD (Age 23)
ROCKET, RAYMOND
ROCKET, VICKIE
ROCKETT, WESLEY
ROCKETT, R (Age 24)
ROCKETT, LEVI J
ROCKETT, WESLEY
ROCKETT, WESLEY




TRACY, CAHAYWARD, CA
SANTA FE, NM
CLAYTON, CA
CENTENNIAL, CO
CONCORD, CA
MORRISON, CO
CONIFER, CO

Possible Relatives:

GRIER, CHARLES P (Age 59)
BRASWELL, MOLLIE J (Age 33)
GRIER, HAROLD E (Age 64)
GRIER, TOSE F (Age 64)
BRASWELL, JEFFREY A (Age 54)
GRIER, ROBERT
BRASWELL, ADAM JEFFREY (Age 36)
GRIER, FAMILY TRUST
GRIER, GRIER HAROLD

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BRASWELL, KEVI S (Age 56)




 CINCINNATI, OH
LOVELAND, OH
SOUTHGATE, KY
BOZEMAN, MT
TRACY, CA
LIVERMORE, CA


 Possible Relatives:

LONG, KOLENE BROWN
FRUCHTENICHT, BARBARA L (Age 70)
JONES, TERRI L (Age 47)
JONES, JAMES K (Age 54)
JONES, C L (Age 51)
LONG, BARBARRA A
JONES, T
JONES, T

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BROWN, KOLENE R (Age 49)
 




 LAKEWOOD, CO
CINCINNATI, OH
SOUTHGATE, KY
LIVERMORE, CA
LANGLEY, WA
TRACY, CA
EVERETT, WA  

Possible Relatives:

BARLOW,  STEPHANIE DIANE (Age 46)listed with cammisa previous post up above somewhereBROWN, WORLEY M (Age 83)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HUGHES, PENNE LEEMCPHERSON (Age 55)
TUTTON, JOHN MICHAEL (Age 46)
GABRIELE, SUZANNE V (Age 43)
FAIN MARTINEZ, ANDREA (Age 37) gee there was an old kidnap murder, perp was archie fain out of modesto/oakdale, back in the 60's I think it was, killed two girls
GABRIELE, JOHN A (Age 44)
HAVENNER, JIM EVERETT (Age 67)
COLEJR, GEORGE W (Age 40)
SMILANIC, KRISTEN MARIE (Age 38)
BANKS, ROBERT ALLEN (Age 39)
ROE, RICHARD ALLEN (Age 54)
LONG, BARBARA ANN (Age 49)
LONG, KOLENE BROWN
COLE, CASEY LEE (Age 42)
FLORES, ADRIANA B
DORADO, JULIA (Age 47)
FLORES, ALICIA E (Age 29)
BACAHUI, JAMIE VIRGINIA (Age 32)
SUMNER, TORY PATRICK (Age 40)
COLE, ERIK M (Age 34)



 MODESTO, CAEUGENE, OR
ORCHARD PARK, NY
TRACY, CA
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

Possible Relatives:

HELM, SHONNA MARIE (Age 41)
HELM, GARITH L (Age 66)
HELM, RANDY
HELM, LISA ANN (Age 46)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

KIDNEY, ANNE MEEGAN (Age 41)
BROWN, RANDY F (Age 38)
BROWN, MALCOLM S (Age 63)
BOWER, MICHAEL (Age 57)
PINEDA, MONICA ALICIA (Age 32)
WATSON, JENNIFER ANNE (Age 32)
JOSHI, RAGESH (Age 46)
ARIAS, ADRIAN
BINION, JOHNATHAN P (Age 61)
LEGGE, MARISA A (Age 45)
LANNING, SARA (Age 25)




Possible Employment / Business Associations:

DIABLO DESIGN Commercial Art and Graphic Design
  TRACY, CA
FORT CAMPBELL, KY

Possible Relatives:

CASTRO, KEITH M (Age 58)
WRENNICK, KIMBERLY A (Age 41)
CASTRO, MAURINE L (Age 60)
CASTRO, CRAIG M (Age 26)
CASTRO, ADAM M (Age 24)
 


 DUNSMUIR, CA north of redding toward oregon border, tiny town
CUPERTINO, CA
TRACY, CA
RYE, CO
SUNNYVALE, CA

Possible Relatives:

LARA, CHARLES JOSEPH (Age 80)
LARA, CHUCK

Possible Roommates / Associates:

PETERSEN, VICKIE D (Age 51)
HUGHES, FANNIE LEE (Age 102)
SILVES, DANA R (Age 44)
 


 LIVERMORE, CA
MANTECA, CA

SHULLSBURG, WI
TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

WELLSVILLE, NY
PATTERSON, CA cammisa an address here too
Possible Relatives:

AURIT, TODD
DULDULAO, LUCY M (Age 77)
AURIT, TODD MICHAEL (Age 40)
DULDULAO, CLEM (Age 65)
DUDULAO, TONY R (Age 36)
DULDULAO, GIOVANNI (Age 50)
DULDULAO, GIOVANNI (Age 50)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CONTY, JOSEPH (Age 57)
 


 MARTINEZ, CA
SANTA CRUZ, CA
PLEASANT HILL, CA

BEAVER FALLS, PA
DUBLIN, CA cammisa had a dublin address also
TUCSON, AZ
MC KEAN, PA
WILLOWICK, OH
LIVERMORE, CA
TRACY, CA

EDINBORO, PA
ERIE, PA

Possible Relatives:

COBURN, DEAN A (Age 46)
HERMAN, HERMAN ROBERT (Age 41)
HERMAN, ROBERT L (Age 64)
HERMAN, JOANN S (Age 63)
COBURN, RODNEY E (Age 66)
HERMAN, BRIAN C (Age 38)
HENNING, HERMAN LISA (Age 40)
COBURN, ELIZABETH A (Age 66)
COBURNJR, RODNEY E (Age 38)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ARNAUD, PHILIP



 GUSTINE, CA just southwest of modesto, not far from patterson
SANTA NELLA, CA just south of modesto not far from los banos
CLARKSTON, WA
SAN JOSE, CA
CALDWELL, ID
MIDDLETON, ID
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MICKELSEN, TONYA ANN (Age 35)
YOUNG, WILLIAM E
YOUNG, RICHARD DEAN (Age 62)
YOUNG, MELVIN W (Age 84)
YOUNG, STEPHEN J
YOUNG, SEAN MICHAEL (Age 38)
YOUNG, SHAWN A
YOUNG, MARY K

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BERNARD, KELLY S (Age 48)
DICONZA, GERALD F (Age 38)
BERNARD, DONALD D (Age 50)
DICANZA, GERALD (Age 38)



 CUSICK, WA
HENDERSON, NV
LAS VEGAS, NV
COEUR D ALENE, ID
GOODYEAR, AZ
BON SECOUR, AL
MYRTLE CREEK, OR
DAPHNE, AL
BARSTOW, CA
EVERETT, WA
TRACY, CA
MARQUETTE, MI

Possible Relatives:

MASLONKA, ROSE MARY (Age 43)
MASLONKA, BROCK MASLONKA (Age 51)
MASLONKA, DIANE S (Age 60)
MASLONKA, ROBIN MARION (Age 35)
MASLONKA, CASEY JAMES (Age 35)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HINCHLIFFE, DONALD R (Age 54)
ANDERS, ERICA NICOLE (Age 28)
ARMATTI, COREY JOSEPH (Age 38)





Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 LIVE-MORE MEDICAL SUPPLIES Sold Via Wholesale Method
 LIVERMORE MEDICAL SUPPLIES Sold Via Wholesale Method
VE-MORE MEDICAL SUPPLIES ROSEVILLE, CA
LIVERMORE, CA
SAN FRANCISCO, CA
EVERETT, WA
VERNAL, UT
TRACY, CA
MARYSVILLE, WA
KENNEWICK, WA  

Possible Relatives:

ROTHROCKS, STUART E (Age 58)
ROTHROCK, STUART E
ROTHROCK, JAMIE LYNN (Age 32)
ROTHROCK, BRIAN MARCUS
ROTHROCK, KRISTINE ANNA (Age 37)
ROTHROCK, JAMIE L
ROTHROCK, JAMIE L (Age 32)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

STUART, E ROTHROCK
RODRIGUEZ, ROSA (Age 49)



LIVERMORE, CA
MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Possible Relatives:

SCARAFIOTTI, LAURIE ANNE (Age 57)
SCARAFIOTTI, JOHN JOSEPH (Age 58)
CONDER, ALLEN (Age 48)
CONDER, JILLIAN J (Age 40)
SCARAFIOTTI, JOHN CHRISTOP (Age 32)
SCARAFIOTTI, JOHN
SCARAFIOTTI, LISA A (Age 46)
CONDER, JILLIAN




LIVERMORE, CA
TRACY, CA
HAYWARD, CA

SALT LAKE CITY, UT
KEARNS, UT
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

Possible Relatives:

WHITE, JERRY
WHITE, GREGORY BRYAN (Age 53)
WOODHOUSE, JERRY
WHITE, GEG
WHITE, BALLARD
WOODHOUSE, JERRY
FREDRICKSON, SHANE TRENT (Age 33)
WHITE, GREG
WHITE, NASHAY (Age 53)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CORDOVA, MISTIE ANN (Age 41)
FINOCCHIO, TIFFANY (Age 37)
JOHNSON, CHRISTOPHER A (Age 44)
ANGELEE, OCKERMAN (Age 38)
OCKERMAN, STEPHANIE (Age 40)
LISTON, DORIS MARIE (Age 66)
LISTON, RONALD J (Age 66)
GOLSAN, BRYAN BRUCE (Age 48)
MCCARTY, LARRY D (Age 49)
PEEBLES, LISA ANN (Age 44)
DEARDURFF, MICHAEL A (Age 54)
PRITCHETT, SUSAN
 



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:03:44 PM

[/quote]
wow, that is a house, hmmm why are all those different people living there?  do you think maybe they turned a house into a half-way house or something.  Let me get all those names listed at that address.  If not all these people are living there, then they are all using that address for "something", somehow they all got listed connected to that address. 

let me go get all the names and post them.
[/quote]

According to the white pages reverse lookup, 300 W. Central, Tracy is apartments.  Looks like one side of the street is houses and the other side is apartments:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/300Central.jpg)


[/quote]


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 25, 2009, 01:27:19 PM
Here is a Harris listed with Crutcher, Huerta and Browning.

there are a LOT more names at this address, a total of 62 different listings, each with multiple names, but most of the names are hooked up to the others.  is this an apt complex?  if so why so many people in each one also scattered through the other ones?  why so many in each hook to people in the CCL/huerta/browning lines?  I need to go back through all these at some time and figure out what is going on here.  too many connected names for some huge apt complex, and too many names for a house.

1131 COLORADO TURLOCK, CA

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)

Associated names:

 CRUTCHER, LES
 CRUTCHER, LESLIE L
 Available(6) Available TURLOCK, CA
FREMONT, CA
HILMAR, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FRESNO, CA Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, NICOLE MICHELLE (Age 34)
CRUTCHER, MARK JAMES (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA MANCEBO (Age 36)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 64)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, JESSICA LYNN (Age 41)
CRUTCHERJR, MARK J (Age 38)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA M
CRUTCHER, PATTI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)


 

this same harris is listed  at this address, so is xavier huerta

TURLOCK, CA
SPRING VALLEY, CA
BLYTHE, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WHITE, THADDEUS DAVID (Age 37)
WHITE, LESTER S (Age 53)
PRIDE, ARMANDA (Age 85)
FREEMAN, MICHAEL M (Age 40)
PRIDE, WILLIE
PRIDE, WHITE REBECCA
WHITE, RUBY G
WHITE, JOY A
GASTON, BIANCA SUMMER (Age 31)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
 

_________________________

same address

TURLOCK, CA
FREMONT, CA
HILMAR, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA
FRESNO, CA Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, NICOLE MICHELLE (Age 34)
CRUTCHER, MARK JAMES (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA MANCEBO (Age 36)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 64)
CRUTCHER, MARK J (Age 67)
CRUTCHER, JESSICA LYNN (Age 41)
CRUTCHERJR, MARK J (Age 38)
CRUTCHER, CYNTHIA M
CRUTCHER, PATTI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)this last name listed with someone back there
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)
___________________________________

same address
TURLOCK, CA
FRESNO, CA
CHOWCHILLA, CA

Possible Relatives:

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)
MANCEBO, MANUEL GOMES  (Age 38)probably nothing, but hmmmmHEMPHILL, CINDY KAY (Age 35)
MANCEBO, MARIA FATIMA (Age 62)
CRUTCHER, 2005 TRUST 
_________________________

same address, wood is also with xavier somewhere else, and sherwood is with one of the other lawless lines.  probably not the same ones, but making a note to check to see

TURLOCK, CA
SAN BRUNO, CA
PACIFICA, CA
SAN MATEO, CA

Possible Relatives:

WOOD, PARADISE
WOOD, JEANETTE T (Age 74)
DARMOUSSEHS, ALBERT (Age 47)
DARMOUSSEH, YOURAM (Age 75)
SHERWOOD, STEPHANIE J (Age 31)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DARMOUSSEH,  LISA (Age 47)
_____________________

same address

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 PRECISION AIR BALANCE Lighting Maintenance Services
 PRECISION AIR BALANCE Plumbing, Heating, and Air-Conditioning
 TURLOCK, CA
CERES, CA

Possible Relatives:

MANQUEROS, JOSEPHINE K (Age 65)
MANQUEROS, JOSEPHINE N (Age 66)
MANQUEROS, DICK V
MANQUEROS, TRUST

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CRUTCHER, LESLIE C (Age 35)
____________________________

same address

bunch of silva names, some in hilmar, this is right outside turlock.  lots of dairy people out there

HILMAR, CA
TURLOCK, CA
DENAIR, CA

Possible Relatives:

SILVA, TONIA LEE (Age 38)
SILVA, JOANN CURTISS
SILVA, LEONARD DAVID (Age 60)
MUELLER, GWENDOLYN ANNE (Age 39)
SILVA, LEONARD DAVIDJR (Age 42)
SILVA, KATHERINE R (Age 57)
SILVA, TONIA
BROCKETT, SHANA (Age 60)
SILVA, MASON 
____________________________




Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 25, 2009, 03:25:52 PM

wow, that is a house, hmmm why are all those different people living there?  do you think maybe they turned a house into a half-way house or something.  Let me get all those names listed at that address.  If not all these people are living there, then they are all using that address for "something", somehow they all got listed connected to that address. 

let me go get all the names and post them.
[/quote]

According to the white pages reverse lookup, 300 W. Central, Tracy is apartments.  Looks like one side of the street is houses and the other side is apartments:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/300Central.jpg)


[/quote]
[/quote]

we had determined there was a WEST and EAST to the same street and this house was on the WRONG side, forget if it was east or west.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 25, 2009, 03:28:43 PM
this was two posts up, in the names list.

look at this LAST NAME IS LANE, with connie's relatives

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 25, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
this was two posts up, in the names list.

look at this LAST NAME IS LANE, with connie's relatives

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HARRIS, DERRICK LAVERN (Age 36)
LANE, WILLIAM DARRELL (Age 50)
MANQUEROS, DERRICK JOHN (Age 38)
CREWS, ALAN LEE (Age 44)
MCLAUGHLIN, PATRICIA ANN (Age 40)
ESHAYA, ELIZABETH (Age 64)
HUERTA, XAVIER RICHARD (Age 38)
BROWNING, MEREDITH I (Age 37)

VALENCIA, DIANA A (Age 31)
JACKSONHALL, SUSAN LEE (Age 67)
ELLIOTT, JACQUELINE A (Age 24)


I think? Meredith I. nee Browning married Xavier Richard Huerta and Meredith (has sister named Katherine F.) is the daughter is Cynthia Irene nee Harris Browning who among other things was resident agent for Clover Road B. Church and for National Rooofing.  Remember, we wondered about this because she had the position, I think? prior to CLL marrying Connie.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 25, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
I find two william d lanes born in cali who would be 50 years old now

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about William D Lane
Name: William D Lane
Birth Date: 30 May 1959
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Daws   
Birth County: Riverside 
 


California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about William D Lane
Name: William D Lane
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1959
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Lane   
Birth County: Los Angeles 
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
There are a lot of Lane's in Orange County, California. I was searching court records..lol
And this is just the lane's that first names start with a C, Pages of them..I am sure there are Lane's everywhere, I even found some in Brewster Washington..so I don't know what to do..Jus saying:)


95CF1670    Lane    Carol    Ann    
97CF1491    Lane    Carol    Ann    
C-72826    Lane    Carol    Anne    
C-86407    Lane    Carol    Anne    
94HF0013    Lane    Carol    Anne    
01HF0153    Lane    Carol    Anne    
C-91157    Lane    Chad    Adrian    
SH309522    Lane    Chad    Adrian    
05SM05537    Lane    Chad    Adrian    
C-91854    Lane    Chad    Everett    
279282    Lane    Colette    M    
M172840    Lane    Cynthia    Mary walker    
UP58847    Lane    Cynthia    Mary walker    
00NM10729    Lane    Charles    Michael    
01NM09783    Lane    Charles    Michael    
97NT2773    Lane    Chiloe    Patricia    
2767336    Lane    Christopher    R    
01WM08259    Lane    Connie    Sue    
229484    Lane    Carol    Ann    
197136    Lane    Cassi    Noel    

Snipped:
http://visionweb.occourts.org/Vision_Public/SearchCase.do?d-49190-p=6#searchResults[/b]]http://visionweb.occourts.org/Vision_Public/SearchCase.do?d-49190-p=6#searchResults (http://[b)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 07:13:35 PM
Police won’t let her on her farm  on the banks of a slough called Sugar Cut, which drains into Old River.

Ann silva stated this. 

so WHY wouldn't they let her on the Sugar Cut slough?  Is this where the cadaver dogs hit?  but it had said the actually hit on OLD RIVER.  maybe it was this area of old river, where sugar cut drains into it.  '


so hmmm, if there is something out there on her property on the banks of Sugar Cut... then sandra ends up in the irrigation pond out there also.  who had her out on the banks of sugar cut?  or had something out there that got the attention of the police? 

let me get a map and try to pinpoint the banks of sugar cut where it is part of the dairy property.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 07:15:35 PM
we need a parcel map of the dairy.  Does SJ county have the parcel maps online? 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 07:24:44 PM
I found it, cool! ::MonkeyCool::

Parcel Details
Parcel ID 21212005
Situs Number 18700
Situs Direction S
Situs Street BACCHETTI
Situs Type RD
Situs City UNTR
Parcel SqFt 56090.00
Parcel Acres 1.29
WA Contract   
WA Acres   
WA Renewal   
WA Category   
Districts
City   
PlanningArea TRACY
GPCommunityName   
GPCommunityType   
GenPlan A/G
Zoning AG-40
SupervisorDist 5
SphereOfInfluence   
MuniAdvisoryCouncil   
EnterpriseZone   
HighSchoolDist TRACY JOINT UNIFIED
ElemSchoolDist TRACY UNIFIED
FireDistrict TRACY RURAL
FireService TRACY RURAL
JudicialDistrict M-R-E-T WEST
FireHazardArea NODATA
SubsidiveExpansive EXPA
SJAFCA   
AirportAOI   
ServicesSewer none
ServicesWater none
ServicesStorm none
IrrigationDist none
ReclamationDist 1007PICO & NAGLE
PhoneService AT&T
AgriculturalPreserve R-69-C1
TractBlkgrp 52.03 01
TrafficZone 518
SheriffBeat 8
SheriffRD 038
ZipCode 95304
PostOffice TRACY
MtnHouseGeoDistrict   
MtnHouseCSD   
NoiseContour   
GIS_APN 21212005


let me get a map of the parcel up here,
it is 40 acres, but they might have more than one parcel, let me check



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
I found it, cool! ::MonkeyCool::

Parcel Details
Parcel ID 21212005
Situs Number 18700
Situs Direction S
Situs Street BACCHETTI
Situs Type RD
Situs City UNTR
Parcel SqFt 56090.00
Parcel Acres 1.29
WA Contract   
WA Acres   
WA Renewal   
WA Category   
Districts
City   
PlanningArea TRACY
GPCommunityName   
GPCommunityType   
GenPlan A/G
Zoning AG-40
SupervisorDist 5
SphereOfInfluence   
MuniAdvisoryCouncil   
EnterpriseZone   
HighSchoolDist TRACY JOINT UNIFIED
ElemSchoolDist TRACY UNIFIED
FireDistrict TRACY RURAL
FireService TRACY RURAL
JudicialDistrict M-R-E-T WEST
FireHazardArea NODATA
SubsidiveExpansive EXPA
SJAFCA   
AirportAOI   
ServicesSewer none
ServicesWater none
ServicesStorm none
IrrigationDist none
ReclamationDist 1007PICO & NAGLE
PhoneService AT&T
AgriculturalPreserve R-69-C1
TractBlkgrp 52.03 01
TrafficZone 518
SheriffBeat 8
SheriffRD 038
ZipCode 95304
PostOffice TRACY
MtnHouseGeoDistrict   
MtnHouseCSD   
NoiseContour   
GIS_APN 21212005


let me get a map of the parcel up here,
it is 40 acres, but they might have more than one parcel, let me check



oh wow that is only for 1.29 acres... so they own all that land out there surrounding that.  let me get the whole 40 acres. ok this is making sense now.  I bet the back up to the tom paine slough, and south to sugar cut.  it's going to be that whole dang area out there.  hmmmm makes sense, makes sense.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 08:05:40 PM
here is a map showing the parcel in previous post, this is for the address listed as bachetti / silva dairy, but this is for only 1.29 acres. 

I will get up another map with more or the parcels to see whose names they are in etc. 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/Cantybacchettidairymap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 08:10:45 PM
ann silva stated the police would not allow her on her property on the banks of sugar cut, look on the map in previous post, sugar cut is south of this 1.29 acre parcel.  they also have 750 cows so they own a lot more land out there.

let me go look for the other parcels they own and get another map on here. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
to the north or whitehall and the east of bacchetti are these parcels
21212014
21212013
21212011
21212012
21212010
21212009 this is a HUGE one
and the one with the dairy address of 12112005

to the south of whitehall and to the east of bacchetti is
21213009
21213011
both of the above are very large parcels

inside of 21213009 is a small parcel on tracy blvd
which is parcel 21213008

let me see who owns all of these


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 08:44:32 PM
the two very small parcels on the banks of the tom paine slough, to the north of 21212009(the HUGHE parcel)
the sit at the dead end of bacchetti where it runs into the tom paine slough
the two parcels are

21212002 and 21212003


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
21212002 18211 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR  

it won't list who is at this one... hmmmm


21212003 18233 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR  

 TRACY, CA Possible Relatives:

DOWLING, CAROL BACCHETTI (Age 49)
BACCHETTI, FRANCIS A (Age 76)
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V (Age 79)
BACCHETTI, LINO A (Age 82)
BACCHETTI, GERDA E (Age 92)
BACCHETTI, SILVA PTP 

21211008 18311 S BACCHETTI RD UN  

TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

DOWLING, CAROL BACCHETTI (Age 49)
BACCHETTI, FRANCIS A (Age 76)
BACCHETTI, GERDA E (Age 92)
BACCHETTI, LINO A (Age 82)
BACCHETTI, MARIAN M
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V
BACCHETTI, SILVA PTP
BACCHETTI, RINA L
BACCHETTI, FRANCES

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SILVA, ANN P (Age 51)
 



Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BACCHETTI & SILVA PARTNERSHIP
 PROUD SARGENT, INC
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DOWLING, CAROL BACCHETTI (Age 49)
BACCHETTI, GERDA E (Age 92)
BACCHETTI, FRANCIS A (Age 76)
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V (Age 79)
BACCHETTI, MARIAN M
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V
BACCHETTI, RINA L
BACCHETTI, SILVA PTP
BACCHETTI, FRANCES

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SILVA, ANN P (Age 51)



 LA MESA, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MILLER, ROBERT W (Age 28)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

ROBERTS, PATRICIA ANN (Age 57)
FROST, NANCY CAROLINE (Age 34)
KLOMP, MICHELLE
COLLETT, JEREMY MICHOLE (Age 29)
KLOMP, CORY
MCGLOTHLIN, NICOLE A (Age 27)
LAWSON, HEATHER R (Age 30)
 


 TRACY, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA
LA MESA, CA

 Possible Relatives:

MILLER, JEAN
MILLER, MIRACHEL D (Age 29)
MILLER, ROBERT W (Age 28)
MCGLOTHLIN, MARIAN M (Age 53)
MCGLOTHLIN, VERNON P (Age 55)
MILLER, FANNY E

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FROST, NANCY CAROLINE (Age 34)
MILLER, NICOLE
KLOMP, MICHELLE
KLOMP, CORY
RUVALCABA, MAYRA
JARMON, BERNICE
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BACCHETTI, LINO A (Age 82)
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V (Age 79)
 

Possible Relatives:

MCGLOTHLIN, NICOLE A (Age 27)
MCGLOTHLIN, VERNON P (Age 55)


 
 TRACY, CA
STOCKTON, CA

 Possible Relatives:

MCGLOTHLIN, NICOLE A (Age 27)
MCGLOTHLIN, MARIAN M (Age 53) 


21212009 18344 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR

WINTON, CA
ATWATER, CA
GUSTINE, CA
HILMAR, CA
TRACY, CA
CERES, CA

Possible Relatives:

BETTENCOURT, MARIA (Age 45)
NUNESSANTOS, SHIRLEY A (Age 61)
SANTOS, SHIRLEY FRANCES (Age 59)
NUNES, DOMINGO (Age 50)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MELLOW, MARIA F (Age 64)
DEMELO, JOSE LUIS (Age 51)
 


 RIVERBANK, CA
OAKDALE, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ


 RIVERBANK, CA
OAKDALE, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA
GUSTINE, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JOSE S
FAUSTO, JOSE D
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ
 


 OAKDALE, CA
LOS BANOS, CA
RIVERBANK, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JOSE S
FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, JOSE D
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GARCIA, TEOFILO T (Age 69)
 


 GILROY, CA
TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
 


  TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BEM, MARIA G (Age 60)
BEM, LUSA B
 



Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BACCHETTI & SILVA PARTNERSHIP
 PROUD SARGENT, INC
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DOWLING, CAROL BACCHETTI (Age 49)
BACCHETTI, GERDA E (Age 92)
BACCHETTI, FRANCIS A (Age 76)
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V (Age 79)
BACCHETTI, MARIAN M
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V
BACCHETTI, RINA L
BACCHETTI, SILVA PTP
BACCHETTI, FRANCES

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SILVA, ANN P (Age 51)
 


 TRACY, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA

Possible Relatives:

VELAZQUEZ, EFRAIN A (Age 54)
VELASQUEZ, DENA
AGUILAR, JOSELUI L (Age 36)
AGUILAR, LILIA P (Age 25)
AGUILAR, JOSE LUIS (Age 57)
VELAZQUEZ, ESABEL N (Age 42)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CELAYA, FRANCISCO A (Age 29)
CELAYA, A C
 



 TRACY, CA
WATERFORD, CA

 Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, A C

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

HERNANDEZ, CARLOS (Age 23)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, FRANCISCO A (Age 28)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

HERNANDEZ, PETRA 


21212005 18700 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR
  this is address for the dairy

21211007 18707 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR  

Memory listed at this one.  Memory is the name of the cadet who saw the suspicious truck

TRACY, CA
WALNUT, CA
REDLANDS, CA
RIVERSIDE, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
MEMORY, ELIZABETH A (Age 21)


 TRACY, CA
REDLANDS, CA
WALNUT, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
MEMORY, JILL (Age 61)


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, JOSEPH B (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LUIS R
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M



 TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)



 TRACY, CA
KILLEEN, TX

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, MANDY
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, JOSEPH B (Age 27)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, ROY L
DELLARINGA, LUIS R



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
DELLARINGA, ROY L



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ROY, BARBARA
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ROY, DELL ARINGA
 



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
MEMORY, ELIZABETH A (Age 21)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, ARINGA L
ARINGA, LOUIS R



 TRACY, CA Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, ROY L
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ARINGA L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, ROY L
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 09:11:46 PM
I am trying to understand DD!!! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
I am sticking to my theory on living in a rural area. I live in the Midwest now, going on about 14 years, before I resided in San Diego County for 24 years. I moved because crime was high and I didn't want to raise my children there. And now in a rural community things are more profound. I see and hear  everything. In the area in which I live i know that i am aware of the who's and whats in my neighborhood. And being raised in California, I have inclines...LOL...I do not believe you can live in such an area that is open and made of dirt roads and tend not to pay attention to who is coming and going. Unless we look at it like this; it is a tight family and they have already marked their territory and people know not to venture there. But who would travel down those dirt roads anyways? Family, Friends? And if Sandra was found in the pond, an no one seen or heard anything along the silent roads, then everyone must have been sleeping. I shouldn't stereotype people, but I do not believe that the dairy people would just let anyone walk all over them or their land. Hence, they take care of business. They hire their own people within their own family. Now, I am just speculating and gearing up a theory. Ann Silva is a third generation dairy farmer, so that is set in stone for mandatory operations of family workers. Again this is another one of my, "Jus sayin"... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 10:02:57 PM


The death of her father in September 2008 was also a major catalyst in Bacchetti Silva’s decision.  “This was a business of four partners – my husband, mother, father and I.  As the only surviving partner left, it no longer made smart business sense to continue,” says Bacchetti Silva.


In the end, Bacchetti Silva notes that what she has always loved about this business were the people.  “I’ve lost the three people that I sat around the table with talking about the dairy over dinner.  Now that they’re gone, it’s just not the same; now it feels like work.  And once it felt like work, it was no longer the life for me.”


This is actually heartfelt in reading, so Ann Silva has also lost her husband. Sorry If you monkeys have posted that already, its hard to keep up with everything when your mind wanders. I guess we can conclude that the business consisting of 4 people was meant in the context of making business decisions.

And I know I have already posted this...but then we have;

For Bacchetti Silva, once she put all her cards on the table and discussed options with manager Peter Corallo and herdsman James Gomes.


Are they family?

http://www.mydairyman.com/article_archive/June%202009/one_year_later.html (http://www.mydairyman.com/article_archive/June%202009/one_year_later.html)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 10:40:54 PM
I am sticking to my theory on living in a rural area. I live in the Midwest now, going on about 14 years, before I resided in San Diego County for 24 years. I moved because crime was high and I didn't want to raise my children there. And now in a rural community things are more profound. I see and hear  everything. In the area in which I live i know that i am aware of the who's and whats in my neighborhood. And being raised in California, I have inclines...LOL...I do not believe you can live in such an area that is open and made of dirt roads and tend not to pay attention to who is coming and going. Unless we look at it like this; it is a tight family and they have already marked their territory and people know not to venture there. But who would travel down those dirt roads anyways? Family, Friends? And if Sandra was found in the pond, an no one seen or heard anything along the silent roads, then everyone must have been sleeping. I shouldn't stereotype people, but I do not believe that the dairy people would just let anyone walk all over them or their land. Hence, they take care of business. They hire their own people within their own family. Now, I am just speculating and gearing up a theory. Ann Silva is a third generation dairy farmer, so that is set in stone for mandatory operations of family workers. Again this is another one of my, "Jus sayin"... ::MonkeyCool::

I'm with you on someone should have seen something.  ::MonkeyCool::

I have so much I could say; I won't  ::MonkeyNoNo::


let me explain the maps.  I am going to put up another one with all the parcel numbers so we can figure out who owns all this land out there and who is living out there.  maybe that might tell us why no one sees anythinng.   ::MonkeyCool::

on my previous posts, the parcel areas are marked on the map, so we can see exactly where the borders of the properties are and who is living where.  then I took those parcel numbers and found the corresponding addreses, then took the addresses and found who is living there or conected to them. 

seem a ton of bracchetti famiy has a lot of those parcels.  not just the address of the dairy.  the only one so far that I did above who is NOT their family is memory, and he might be family too, we don't kow but we need to find out.  who knows what he actually saw, or is he just saying he saw that kind of truck????? ::MonkeyShocked::

okay I am in the process of making a map with more parcel numbers so we can see who owns what out there, but so far I can tell you we are in the midst of portuguese dairy kingdom ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 10:46:09 PM
I'm telling you, I am totally on pins and needles about now ugh.  this is going to get messy.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 11:11:07 PM
here is the parcel map of the area, smaller so it is easy to see the layout
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantuparcel-map2.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 11:12:41 PM
I am sticking to my theory on living in a rural area. I live in the Midwest now, going on about 14 years, before I resided in San Diego County for 24 years. I moved because crime was high and I didn't want to raise my children there. And now in a rural community things are more profound. I see and hear  everything. In the area in which I live i know that i am aware of the who's and whats in my neighborhood. And being raised in California, I have inclines...LOL...I do not believe you can live in such an area that is open and made of dirt roads and tend not to pay attention to who is coming and going. Unless we look at it like this; it is a tight family and they have already marked their territory and people know not to venture there. But who would travel down those dirt roads anyways? Family, Friends? And if Sandra was found in the pond, an no one seen or heard anything along the silent roads, then everyone must have been sleeping. I shouldn't stereotype people, but I do not believe that the dairy people would just let anyone walk all over them or their land. Hence, they take care of business. They hire their own people within their own family. Now, I am just speculating and gearing up a theory. Ann Silva is a third generation dairy farmer, so that is set in stone for mandatory operations of family workers. Again this is another one of my, "Jus sayin"... ::MonkeyCool::

I'm with you on someone should have seen something.  ::MonkeyCool::

I have so much I could say; I won't  ::MonkeyNoNo::


let me explain the maps.  I am going to put up another one with all the parcel numbers so we can figure out who owns all this land out there and who is living out there.  maybe that might tell us why no one sees anythinng.   ::MonkeyCool::

on my previous posts, the parcel areas are marked on the map, so we can see exactly where the borders of the properties are and who is living where.  then I took those parcel numbers and found the corresponding addreses, then took the addresses and found who is living there or conected to them. 

seem a ton of bracchetti famiy has a lot of those parcels.  not just the address of the dairy.  the only one so far that I did above who is NOT their family is memory, and he might be family too, we don't kow but we need to find out.  who knows what he actually saw, or is he just saying he saw that kind of truck????? ::MonkeyShocked::

okay I am in the process of making a map with more parcel numbers so we can see who owns what out there, but so far I can tell you we are in the midst of portuguese dairy kingdom ::MonkeyCool::

Yea memory sure doesn't abide by his last name especially for being in law enforcement? If I were memory, and I saw a truck, so to speak...I would be searching the town inside and out for that truck. I would loose sleep over it, I wouldn't care. What i do care about is a little girl who was innocent for godsakes, and the memory man should be on the hunt. Unless we can say he did see something, and he does know something, but because of the gag order, we do not know anything or about anyone. It is a cruel thing in not knowing.

You do a beautiful job in covering all areas of research DD, Thank you for that.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 11:14:28 PM
And so that piece of land DD, is also where these relatives reside and the dairy itself?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 11:16:12 PM
here is the map with all the parcel numbers. 

the colored cluster of parcels are bacchetti parcels I posted above in previous posts. 
notice where SUGAR CUT is to the right side, south of bacchetti dairy.  ann silva stated the police would not let her on her land that was on the banks of SUGAR CUT.  this is no where near her house or the pond.  so why could she not go out there? 

you can see how the river goes from OLD RIVER to TOM PAINE SLOUGH to SUGAR CUT.  I have marked them in different colors so you can see where one ends and the other begins. 

also look at all the names in my previous posts who are connected to the colored cluster of parcels owned by bacchetti.  They are all portuguese dairy people.  so this whole are was settled by portuguese dairy people.  We need to look at the history of this whole area. 

and pay close attention to all the names of the topographical places.  I will get some topo maps up too. 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantu-parcel-map3.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 11:20:10 PM
it's going to take me a little bit of time, but I am going to look up who owns all these parcels.  See who all settled this area.  Would like to see who actually NAMED these places.  There are some very interesting names of places out here.   ::MonkeyCool::

let me try to find my old topo map.  if not, I will make a new one. 

there is A LOT of info I need to get out here, just will take me awhile.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4325/99976746.jpg) (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/99976746.jpg/)
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/847/33202219.jpg) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/33202219.jpg/)

Cited:

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=Bacchetti&vw=Business&Search=Business&Input=Name&city=Tracy&state=CA (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=Bacchetti&vw=Business&Search=Business&Input=Name&city=Tracy&state=CA)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 26, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
And so that piece of land DD, is also where these relatives reside and the dairy itself?

the dairy address is on the little YELLOW 05 parcel, that is what they list as the dairy address.  but that is only 1.29 acres.  they have 750 cows and other things.  so the colored cluster of parcels I have right there I looked up. all but one had the bacchetti's listed.  they are on all the other colored cluster parcels as "connected".  I need to find the actual deeds and see how many they OWN.  the only one they are not listed on is teh MEMORY one.  But I really wonder if they might be related to the memory family too?  I will try to check. so much to do, so little time.



the bacchettis have to own some of the other parcels out there too, because one of those properties is on the "banks of SUGAR CUT", and look where sugar cut is located, not by the colored cluster of parcels.  so she has to own some other parcels.  she also said sugar cut flows into old river, but it connects to the tom paine slough.  the tom paine slough is where I figured she would be found if she connected to what I thought she might.  so here she is out there.  so why? 


it is my belief melissa has to know "someone" and whoever it is, is out there in these parcels.  she said she has been out to the dairy,  why?  who does she know who goes to that dairy.  Does her grandfather know these people, or did she just happen to meet someone? 

let me go find who else lives out there


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 26, 2009, 11:58:57 PM
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6677/15494540.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/15494540.jpg/)

Cited:

http://californiamaps.org/map.php?county=San+Joaquin&type=gut (http://californiamaps.org/map.php?county=San+Joaquin&type=gut)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
that is at least part of the dairy.  there are a LOT Of parcels clustered right there.  the street address is for only 1.29 acres, so there has to be more than that.  it is zone ag 40 which is agriculture 40 acres or more.  they must have split those parcels up at some point? 

on the sugar cut, if you look at the map I wrote the word sugar cut, but I put polka dots all up with the same color to where sugar cut goes north too, the it turns into tom paine slough which I made a different color of polka dots, then it turns into old river, which is a different color.  but nowhere is sugar cut by the address listed for the dairy, so they have to have land out there along sugar cut as well. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 12:20:58 AM
okay compare your map to mine, those buildings are backing up all the way to the tom paine slough.

they must also own 21212009, all the way to the tom paine slough.  so maybe they are considering that sugar cut?

let me get a topo map.  maybe they still call that sugar cut AND tom paine slough.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
and tom paine slough turns into old river on the next big parcel next to there, maybe they own that one too, that is probably where the dogs alerted??

if the dogs alerted right there and if they also own that big parcel, then HMMMMM.  that would be totally crazy because how would melissa be out there by herself clear out on those huge parcels on the river?

let me go find out who owns 21212002, 3, 8 & 9. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 12:26:01 AM
here are the street addresses for those 4 parcels

21212002 18211 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR
21212003 18233 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR
21211008 18311 S BACCHETTI RD UN
21212009 18344 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
wow, those are the ones I already looked up who have bacchetti connected to all of them HMMMM

so they own ALL that huge land.  unreal!!!

what the hell was melissa doing all over that huge land area and by herself and no one saw her.? 
are we suppose to be STUPID?!!!!!!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 12:52:45 AM
wow, those are the ones I already looked up who have bacchetti connected to all of them HMMMM

so they own ALL that huge land.  unreal!!!

what the hell was melissa doing all over that huge land area and by herself and no one saw her.? 
are we suppose to be STUPID?!!!!!!

It's not right DD...I was pondering the thought, if someone was going to do something that Melissa and/or others did. Why would they put Sandra so close to home? It just doesn't make sense. I would like to know who the other workers were who were draining the irrigation pond. It only names Franco, but in mass reports it states the "Farm WorkerS".


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
Look at this topo map.  everyone of those parcels have bacchetti listed at the corresponding address.  so they own all this land, and maybe more too, I have not looked yet, but they own at least that much.  now...look at the roads, you HAVE TO GET THERE THROUGH BACCHETTI RD.  there are NO OTHER ROADS in there to the tom paine slough or old river.  unless you go all the way around on the other side of the river, but then you still have to cross the river and end up on bacchetti property again. 

tell me some car driving around out there is not going to be noticed.  if at night they see the lights. if in daytime they see you, they are working out there.  you have to drive down THEIR road!!!

so melissa drove down their road and wandered around all over to get to old river or on the banks of the bacchetti property and at their pond?  get real!!! this is BS
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/CANTUDAIRYMAPPARCELS1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2009, 01:28:59 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Whitehall+road+Tracy+ca&sll=37.774238,-121.465083&sspn=0.866196,2.463684&ie=UTF8&ll=37.794457,-121.43446&spn=0.001691,0.004812&t=h&z=18

I think this is a great pic of the dirt road meeting up to the creek. It seems as though there is a bridge maybe? I have not gone that far down this road. Only to the bend.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 01:35:07 AM
yes there is a bridge there, it shows on the topo maps.

gee I better get some sleep...  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Whitehall+road+Tracy+ca&sll=37.774238,-121.465083&sspn=0.866196,2.463684&ie=UTF8&ll=37.818226,-121.445704&spn=0.013527,0.038495&t=h&z=15


Where is my post that explains this link? I just wrote out a whole thing and it is not there! Let me try again!
I wonder if this is the spot the one Oakland man said he beleives the saw Fred  Williams and Sandra in a boat. This is the route people take to avoid rush hour traffic. you take Tracy blvd to hwy 4 to 5 freeway (or reverse)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 01:45:04 AM
Here is a map with the pink dots of all Silvas as companies..Some odd things such as a Silva reunion as well...But mostly Silva businesses..All those pink dots are buisnesses..wow!!!

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2751/40846202.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/40846202.jpg/)

Cited:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl)


Silva Family reunion pics.. in Coyote Valley, San Jose

Cited:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvareunion/2619013877/


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 01:48:40 AM
Thank link to the map is awful...I can't get it to link correctly..


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 01:53:44 AM
Look at this topo map.  everyone of those parcels have bacchetti listed at the corresponding address.  so they own all this land, and maybe more too, I have not looked yet, but they own at least that much.  now...look at the roads, you HAVE TO GET THERE THROUGH BACCHETTI RD.  there are NO OTHER ROADS in there to the tom paine slough or old river.  unless you go all the way around on the other side of the river, but then you still have to cross the river and end up on bacchetti property again. 

tell me some car driving around out there is not going to be noticed.  if at night they see the lights. if in daytime they see you, they are working out there.  you have to drive down THEIR road!!!

so melissa drove down their road and wandered around all over to get to old river or on the banks of the bacchetti property and at their pond?  get real!!! this is BS
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/CANTUDAIRYMAPPARCELS1.jpg)


Dear you know what..What in the world??...So are you thinking what I'm thinking DD? LOL...Or are we going to start sifting through this family? Where did Franco live??

And


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 02:21:25 AM
Driving directions to 18700 Bacchetti Rd, Tracy, CA 95304
2.4 mi – about 5 mins
Suggested routes


Arnaudo Bros Inc
16505 S Tracy Blvd
Tracy, CA 95304
   
1.Head south on S Tracy Blvd toward Finck Rd      
2.3 mi
2.Sharp left at Bacchetti Rd      
0.1 mi
   
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304

Cited:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Arnaudo%20Brother%E2%80%99s&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Arnaudo%20Brother%E2%80%99s&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 02:35:44 AM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.

Wanted to Bump Tracygirls words of wisdom..Thank you:)  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...Maybe we shouldn't even research them DD..LOL..jus sayin ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 02:38:19 AM
Hey this is a FABULOUS idea for a thread!  ::MonkeyAngel::
Obviously, MH was familiar with this place but WHY???  HOW???  WHO did she know around there???

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/schometopond.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/4-6pond.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/19111188_640X480.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/zzcloserview.jpg)

(http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/newshound4ever/scpond.jpg)


That's what I'm sayin Lone. WHO DID SHE KNOW THERE???


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 27, 2009, 03:05:11 AM
Things that make you go hmmm

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/781/64937050.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/64937050.jpg/)

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8998/44087538.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/i/44087538.jpg/)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 09:09:22 PM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.

Wanted to Bump Tracygirls words of wisdom..Thank you:)  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...Maybe we shouldn't even research them DD..LOL..jus sayin ::MonkeyDevil::


I've been researching this stuff for years.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's up to the rest of you.  We can stop any time you feel "spooked up".  Just let me know


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 27, 2009, 09:13:37 PM
Here is a map with the pink dots of all Silvas as companies..Some odd things such as a Silva reunion as well...But mostly Silva businesses..All those pink dots are buisnesses..wow!!!

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2751/40846202.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/40846202.jpg/)

Cited:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl)


Silva Family reunion pics.. in Coyote Valley, San Jose

Cited:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvareunion/2619013877/

very old multigenerational dairy family, among others.  some very prominant and political people also some of them.  Then you also have some really really messed up criminals in some of the silva famliies.  Vicious ones. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2009, 01:22:46 AM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.

Wanted to Bump Tracygirls words of wisdom..Thank you:)  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...Maybe we shouldn't even research them DD..LOL..jus sayin ::MonkeyDevil::


I've been researching this stuff for years.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's up to the rest of you.  We can stop any time you feel "spooked up".  Just let me know

I'm not stopping -- I strongly believe there is much to uncover and if we can prevent just one evil thing from happening, every minute, every agony, every tear will be worth it.  I can't do the part I do without the rest of you, but I'm in for the long haul.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 01:35:28 AM
I have to say if this dairy is involved in anyway or the anyone with the name Silva you will find a community is complete shock. If you are not a silva, you are a souza, if you are not a souza you are a pombo and if you are anything else you must be no one. These 3 names are big in this town.

I am not sure who are the leaders of the this, but there is a movement of sorts in Tracy which is very much in favor in slow growth and keeping Tracy small. Honestly it gets to the point of craziness. The Tracy natives are very protective of their city and hate the thought of new comers coming in.

Wanted to Bump Tracygirls words of wisdom..Thank you:)  ::MonkeyAngel:: ...Maybe we shouldn't even research them DD..LOL..jus sayin ::MonkeyDevil::


I've been researching this stuff for years.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's up to the rest of you.  We can stop any time you feel "spooked up".  Just let me know

I'm not stopping -- I strongly believe there is much to uncover and if we can prevent just one evil thing from happening, every minute, every agony, every tear will be worth it.  I can't do the part I do without the rest of you, but I'm in for the long haul.
Me, too!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:41:55 AM
there is a LOT to uncover, and I realize how messy this can get, and sometimes it can get downright spooky to say the least.  I have been at this for a long time and nothing supprises me anymore.  As long as you and others can deal with it, I'll keep sticking it out here.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2009, 01:49:20 AM
 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038
Justice for Sandra and all the Children


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 03:06:49 AM
there is a LOT to uncover, and I realize how messy this can get, and sometimes it can get downright spooky to say the least.  I have been at this for a long time and nothing supprises me anymore.  As long as you and others can deal with it, I'll keep sticking it out here.   ::MonkeyWink::

Hahahaha...you guys are so dang cute!!! It was just another one of my "jus sayin" thingys..LOL...If you think I am quitting, nuh uh, no way, no how..I am on it, i want justice for sandra too. And any others who have fallen victim to such heartfelt tragedies. And being raised in San Diego I have intuitions of sorts and I am a lil toughie. I am with you all on this, I am not stopping!!!! I am stubborn, committed and faithful...so there ::MonkeyTongue::..LOL

~Love~



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 03:09:38 AM
I did want to make note of Tracygirls post, and her thoughts of wisdom reflecting on the prominent families in the Tracy and surrounding areas. It is good to know and a great resource for research.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:32:03 AM
I did want to make note of Tracygirls post, and her thoughts of wisdom reflecting on the prominent families in the Tracy and surrounding areas. It is good to know and a great resource for research.. ::MonkeyAngel::

okay then we keep on going.  Its great to have others who are determined to get to the bottom of this mess.  it will get DEEP, let me tell you.  I know exactly what tracygirl is talking about.  I'm glad everyone knows it, but does not stop you. It can get hectic.  late here, will get up more maps and info tomorrow.  Once I get the maps layed out you'll be able to see some patterns to cases.   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 04:32:55 AM
Here is a map with the pink dots of all Silvas as companies..Some odd things such as a Silva reunion as well...But mostly Silva businesses..All those pink dots are buisnesses..wow!!!

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2751/40846202.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/40846202.jpg/)

Cited:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=whitehall%20rd%20tracy%20california&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl)


Silva Family reunion pics.. in Coyote Valley, San Jose

Cited:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvareunion/2619013877/

very old multigenerational dairy family, among others.  some very prominant and political people also some of them.  Then you also have some really really messed up criminals in some of the silva famliies.  Vicious ones. 

And if you go to the Superior courts of San Joaquin there are pages of silvas in court docs...So I am with you DD...Although, they won't let you in the criminal docs, but the name Silva in the civil docs is tremendous..Have fun..LOL...There are about 10 pages of docs for the Silva name, about 4 for the Gomes name, Make sure to check out Pombo as well and notice the mass people involved in an Eminent domain/Inverse condemnation civil case in which means this...

"Right of a government entity to seize private property for the purpose of constructing a public facility. Federal, state, and local governments can seize people's homes under eminent domain laws as long as the homeowner is compensated at fair market value. Some public projects that may necessitate such Condemnation include highways, hospitals, schools, parks, or government office buildings".

There are only 3 lawless, but one is because the attorney Barbara Lawless is representing Pamela Rhodes..5 pages for Souza and 5 pages for the last name Franco in which I am not eliminating, just keeping the name in mind...

http://ccms.stocktoncourt.org/viaplayer/caseSearch.aspx (http://ccms.stocktoncourt.org/viaplayer/caseSearch.aspx)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 04:38:08 AM
I did want to make note of Tracygirls post, and her thoughts of wisdom reflecting on the prominent families in the Tracy and surrounding areas. It is good to know and a great resource for research.. ::MonkeyAngel::

okay then we keep on going.  Its great to have others who are determined to get to the bottom of this mess.  it will get DEEP, let me tell you.  I know exactly what tracygirl is talking about.  I'm glad everyone knows it, but does not stop you. It can get hectic.  late here, will get up more maps and info tomorrow.  Once I get the maps layed out you'll be able to see some patterns to cases.   ::MonkeyCool:: 

Tomorrow is already here DD..LOL....I am up late because of have mass homework, studies and exams to do...This is my reward and my contribution to help when I am done with my studies. I am persistent and determined to help, and if there is anything I can do that I am not doing, please do tell...

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
The home of David Memory, the police cadet who saw a truck by the pond...
He is selling his home. On this site, he what added on May 2nd...Last night when i checked it said the page was refreshed 9 hours ago, now it has been 18 minutes....Hmmmm

Cited:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/18707-S-Bacchetti-Rd_Tracy_CA_95307_1108975013 (http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/18707-S-Bacchetti-Rd_Tracy_CA_95307_1108975013)



(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1775/25dm.jpg) (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/25dm.jpg/)
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/844/24dmz.jpg) (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/24dmz.jpg/)



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:29:49 PM
are we sure this is HIS house, he is the LISTING AGENT
MEMORY,DAVID
KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY
tracy ca. 

It might also be HIS house, but maybe he is ONLY the listing agent?  did you check?  sorry if you did and I am off on digging haha


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:32:37 PM
here is page for david memory RE agent with many listings of his
http://www.neighborcity.com/CA/Tracy/agent-profile/89008-David-Memory/pagetype-inactivelistings-page-1/

now is this the cadet?  was he also a RE Agent?  or might this be his father or something? 

either way, here nor there, why is someone selling that house on bacchetti and leaving?  wonder who actually owns that house, when did they buy it etc. 

let me see what parcel that address is on, and dang I wish san joaquin county would put up the deeds and docs... guess someone could go to the courthouse and look ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
you are so right, that is the MEMORY house address alright
18707 bacchetti
TRACY, CA
REDLANDS, CA
WALNUT, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
MEMORY, JILL (Age 61) 

so david F memory is 54, he must be the father.  so they live on bacchetti, not whitehall.  hmmm what was the cadet doing on whitehall the day he saw that truck? maybe you can just look down the road and notice a truck on the road so he went to look... but see, if it is that easy to notice someone sitting in a vehicle down on whitehall, then someone should have also noticed melissa in her car, right? 



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:38:12 PM
I wonder if the memory family is related to the bacchetti/silva family.  let me look


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:41:10 PM
Name: David F Memory
Birth Date: May 1955
Phone Number: Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: 1525 Fox Wood Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1993)
[19450 E Colina Dr, Walnut, California 91789-0701 (1993)]
[1375 Wheaton WY, Riverside, California 92507] 

hmmm where is the bacchetti address? maybe this is not the right david f memory?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:43:51 PM
Name: Laura L Blim
Age: 28 
Est. Birth: abt 1956 
Spouse Name: David F Memory
Spouse Age: 29 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1955 
Date: 4 Aug 1984
Location: Sacramento

this is probably the one who is now 54 years old
so married laura Blim


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:46:18 PM
this is at the same address on bacchetti so the ones above must be them
laura B is probably for laura Blim/memory, same person I am sure

TRACY, CA
WALNUT, CA
REDLANDS, CA
RIVERSIDE, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52) laura blim wife of david F
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)same person is with david F below
MEMORY, ELIZABETH A (Age 21)
 

 TRACY, CA
REDLANDS, CA
WALNUT, CA

 Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23) same person with laura above
MEMORY, JILL (Age 61) 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
Name: Laura B Memory
Birth Date: Jul 1956
Phone Number: Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: 1525 Fox Wood Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1993)
[19450 E Colina Dr, Walnut, California 91789-0401 (1985)]
[258 S Eureka St, Redlands, California 92373] 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:04:42 PM
NameDave Memory
CompanyHome Buyers Realty
E-mailContact Dave Memory (Home Buyers Realty)
Websitehttp://www.Davememory.com
Office Phone(209) 836-2834
Cell Phone(209) 914-3897
Fax(209) 229-1088

Find out a little about Dave Memory............

                                 
                                   
Dave is a full time REALTOR employed by Home Buyers Real Estate located in Tracy, CA.  He has completed various types of transactions from listings to sales including relocations, first time buyers,  and investment properties with 1031 exchanges. Dave has completed the Graduate Realtor Institute(GRI) program, which only 5% of all Realtors complete, to further improve his knowledge and expertise in the Real Estate field.

Prior to being a REALTOR Dave was employed by a major retailer for 30 years as a manager handling sales and profit as well as human resource development.  This taught him great organizational and communication skills.

He has been married for 22 years and has four children, ranging in age from 13 to 20 years old.  Family is the most important thing in Dave's life.  And, he understands how important it is to keep everyone informed during a real estate transaction to avoid any unneccessary stress upon the family.

When you are buying or selling property in today's real estate market, it's important to have confidence in your real estate professional. Dave's commitment as your local REALTOR is to provide you with the specialized real estate service you deserve.

When you are an informed buyer or seller, you'll make the best decisions for the most important purchase or sale in your lifetime. That's why Dave's goal is to keep you informed on trends in the marketplace using the latest statistics in your local area. With property values continuing to rise, real estate is a sound investment for now and for the future.

As a local area expert with knowledge of the communities, his objective is to work diligently to assist you in meeting your real estate goals.

If you are considering buying or selling a home or would just like to have additional information about real estate in your area, please don't hesitate to call or e-mail Dave.

Thank you for visiting Dave Memory's website - please consider it as your online source for local real estate information, and return often for the latest property listing updates.



Agent passes Realtors test
Dave Memory passed the test - multiple tests actually - to earn his Graduate Realtors Institute real estate designation.

Memory used to be the manager of the JC Penney Co. store in downtown Tracy before it moved to the mall, but he retired in 2003.  He put in 30 years with Penneys, a job he took right out of high school in Los Angeles.

But in 1989 he was transferred to Tracy, where hes been ever since.

His first few years in real estate were on a part-time basis.Being a Full Time agent is where the GRI comes in, a goal that relatively few of Tracys roughly 600 agents have reached, he says.

The certificate comes after 92 hours of class work, with tests after each days session.

"You have to pass  it to move on," he said.

The idea is to cram as many real estate rules into the brains of students as possible. Classes were taught by various real estate agents and attorneys who often drilled into students the ins and outs of disclosure laws and real estate forms.

He said. "Im so much more knowledgeable now. Not too many agents go for education. Either they make it, or they fail and make another career."

City Editor Eric Firpo writes Business Notes. To submit items for this column, call him at 830-4223 or e-mail efirpo@tracypress.com.
 
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:07:19 PM
He has been married for 22 years and has four children, ranging in age from 13 to 20 years old.  Family is the most important thing in Dave's life. 

moved to tracy in 1989

so how does he end up out there with a home on bacchetti?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:11:05 PM
Stephen Memory, a 19-year-old who lives near the pond where Sandra Cantu's body was found, said he spoke to the FBI about what he saw.

Memory said that he thought it was odd to see a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked on the shoulder of the road facing in the wrong direction on the afternoon of April 3. Sandra's body was found April 6.

The driver -- a white man in his late 40s or early 50s wearing a white baseball cap and gray T-shirt -- appeared to be looking down at the ditch beside the road, said Memory, a Stockton police cadet. Only four or five cars travel the remote road, which is a dead end, on a typical day, he noted.

"He was acting real strange," Memory said Friday of the driver. "I drove by real slow to get a good look at him. He looked at me real quick and then he turned away. I just kept going."


so what day did he see this and what day did he report it?  why wait?  he thought the guy was acting weird, they had to know sandra was missing. so why wait, especially being a police cadet.  And he lives right there so he KNOWS that truck and guy did not belong there.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:12:51 PM
there is it, right age, right place, right mother.  so this is him and definitely all the other memory names in the previous posts are his parents and family and at that bacchetti address, so this is exactly where he lived. 

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Stephen Ryan Memory
Name: Stephen Ryan Memory
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1989
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Blim   
Birth County: Los Angeles 
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:14:11 PM
so, when did they buy or inherit or whatever... that house on bacchetti, and why are they selling and moving NOW. 

or were they only renting the house? 

we need the deeds for this property.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 01:25:41 PM
WOW DD, you are fast..LOL ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:25:54 PM


 
Doc #  2004-193788 
Book     
Page     
Recording Date 8/27/2004  
Recording Time  01:59P 
Document Description  DEED 
Number of Pages  2 
Documentary Fee  $819.50 
 
Grantor Name(s)  Grantee Name(s) 
DELLARINGA BARBARA JO  MEMORY DAVID F 
 MEMORY LAURA B 
_______________

barbara dellaringa is also listed at the same address so this must be the deed for it? unless they had other property transactions together
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:28:47 PM
IF this is the correct deed for that property, they have owned it for ONLY 5 years.. and had the wanted to sell wouldn't they have sold during the BOOM, especially if david memory is a real estate agent.  He is very knowledgeable of the house market, he would not be selling NOW, or moving after buying it 5 years ago... if it were an investment property he would have sold during the boom.  not when RE is down 30%. 

so this is very odd they are selling this place NOW. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 01:29:05 PM
So David memory's son, Stephen, who is 19 is the cadet??


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
so stephen parents have a deed on that house in 2004.  all is well
stephen reports seeing the man and truck at the pond, how many days after he saw is?
now his parents are selling that house when the RE market is DOWN

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:38:55 PM
So David memory's son, Stephen, who is 19 is the cadet??

yes, all the docs to PROVE that are right above, the birth record with his mother nee name is BLIM, 

laura blim married david f memory in southern cali, they more to tracy in 1989, same year stephen is born.  the parents are listed at that exact address.  so it is all them, and stephen is the son.

and laura and david are on the deed from barbara jo dellaring, 2004.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
Remember DD
I asked on another thread yesterday (don't remember which one now)...
"Who owns the house at Whitehall Rd. & Bacchetti?"

The reason I asked was because I think it is quite likely Bacchetti Rd. is our missing road from "the Note".  If that is true....
Was MH or whom ever dumped Sandra's body trying to point the finger att hat particular resident?  Did she have a grudge against this person? 

When you look at the maps (Awesome work DD)...
You can see quite clearly just HOW MANY rivers and natural bodies of water there are ALL OVER Tracy....
So WHY the irrigation pond???

In my mind that means 1 of 2 things (possibly)...
Either Sandra's killer knew about the Dairy area and it's remoteness but was unaware of how regularly the ponds are drained...and thought maybe it was never drained...
That would mean no one would ever be out there, boating, swimming, fishing, etc...Thus, the killer possibly thought it was the "perfect" place to hide a body and the body never be found.

OR

The killer knew the dairy area well and knew the irrigation ponds were drained on a regular basis.  The killer also knew WHO owned ALL of that property and wanted the body FOUND there....

Some of my thoughts...
 Lm



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:41:02 PM
Name: Barbara J Dellaringa  
Birth Date: Oct 1950
Address: 18707 Bacchetti, Tracy, California 95376-0501 (1993)
[18928 Tracy Bv #R3, Tracy, California 95376-0101 (1993)] 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 01:44:02 PM
LOL...sorry it's not even... ::MonkeyTongue::

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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
barbara jo dell aringa is a Mancuso, her mother a benzo
barbara married roy dell aringa, he died in 2003, this probably when she sold the house????
if he died in 2003 and there is a 2004 deed for that property to david and laura memory, she probably sold right after her husband died? 

now you go down to her brothers grandchildren and one marries a robert harris, don't have any idea who that is.  and then one marries a WHITEHALL.  hmmm

now can we GUESS dell aringa is portuguese?  let me go look. 

and were the dell aringa's or the mancuso's related to the bacchettis?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
I wonder if MH has an axe to grind with this family??? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
Remember DD
I asked on another thread yesterday (don't remember which one now)...
"Who owns the house at Whitehall Rd. & Bacchetti?"

The reason I asked was because I think it is quite likely Bacchetti Rd. is our missing road from "the Note".  If that is true....
Was MH or whom ever dumped Sandra's body trying to point the finger att hat particular resident?  Did she have a grudge against this person? 

When you look at the maps (Awesome work DD)...
You can see quite clearly just HOW MANY rivers and natural bodies of water there are ALL OVER Tracy....
So WHY the irrigation pond???

In my mind that means 1 of 2 things (possibly)...
Either Sandra's killer knew about the Dairy area and it's remoteness but was unaware of how regularly the ponds are drained...and thought maybe it was never drained...
That would mean no one would ever be out there, boating, swimming, fishing, etc...Thus, the killer possibly thought it was the "perfect" place to hide a body and the body never be found.

OR

The killer knew the dairy area well and knew the irrigation ponds were drained on a regular basis.  The killer also knew WHO owned ALL of that property and wanted the body FOUND there....

Some of my thoughts...
 Lm



yes I remember you asked that it just takes me a long time to go through everything and get it in my head  ::MonkeyConfused::

now on the note, why would the police release there is a note and say "two street names and the WORD whitehall".  if they were naming the whitehall road, why can't they also name the bacchetti road?  its crazy.  there has to be more to that note that is just not the location of 2 streets.  And it is my guess even the police do not understand the cryptics of the note.  ugh.  why don't they release the dang thing grrr.  I want to see that note ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:02:27 PM
okay I am a bit 'nuts', I admit that, but barbara's mother is a BENZO.  so they find BENZO in the other girls system.  okay I am just flipping out on "words" ...

but...once you see this cryptic stuff so much you learn to look at all word connections.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:06:38 PM
Remember DD
I asked on another thread yesterday (don't remember which one now)...
"Who owns the house at Whitehall Rd. & Bacchetti?"

The reason I asked was because I think it is quite likely Bacchetti Rd. is our missing road from "the Note".  If that is true....
Was MH or whom ever dumped Sandra's body trying to point the finger att hat particular resident?  Did she have a grudge against this person? 

When you look at the maps (Awesome work DD)...
You can see quite clearly just HOW MANY rivers and natural bodies of water there are ALL OVER Tracy....
So WHY the irrigation pond???

In my mind that means 1 of 2 things (possibly)...
Either Sandra's killer knew about the Dairy area and it's remoteness but was unaware of how regularly the ponds are drained...and thought maybe it was never drained...
That would mean no one would ever be out there, boating, swimming, fishing, etc...Thus, the killer possibly thought it was the "perfect" place to hide a body and the body never be found.

OR

The killer knew the dairy area well and knew the irrigation ponds were drained on a regular basis.  The killer also knew WHO owned ALL of that property and wanted the body FOUND there....

Some of my thoughts...
 Lm



yes I remember you asked that it just takes me a long time to go through everything and get it in my head  ::MonkeyConfused::

now on the note, why would the police release there is a note and say "two street names and the WORD whitehall".  if they were naming the whitehall road, why can't they also name the bacchetti road?  its crazy.  there has to be more to that note that is just not the location of 2 streets.  And it is my guess even the police do not understand the cryptics of the note.  ugh.  why don't they release the dang thing grrr.  I want to see that note ::MonkeyDevil::

Indeed it's most difficult when we don't actually have the note!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could it be possible that they have not released it because it has a name or 2 on it of folks they are now investigating?....
For example, maybe that's why Anna Silva could not go down to the Sugar cuts area.....Could they be under investigation and not even know it?....

And this reminds me...
Is it a fact that cadaver dogs or canines hit at the river's edge????...
I know that was true with Haleigh and just wanted to make sure that I had not confused the 2 cases.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:10:04 PM
okay I am a bit 'nuts', I admit that, but barbara's mother is a BENZO.  so they find BENZO in the other girls system.  okay I am just flipping out on "words" ...

but...once you see this cryptic stuff so much you learn to look at all word connections.   ::MonkeyDevil::

If you want DD
I sure think it would be fascinating if you started a Cryptology (?) thread!!!
You do not need to share everything....It would just be really neat to learn about it, imho!
And maybe it would help us be more keen on watching out for it...


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
So we connected Almer Gomes & the Bacchetti's...
I wonder if Lane was some how part of the "crew" ???


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
IF this is the correct deed for that property, they have owned it for ONLY 5 years.. and had the wanted to sell wouldn't they have sold during the BOOM, especially if david memory is a real estate agent.  He is very knowledgeable of the house market, he would not be selling NOW, or moving after buying it 5 years ago... if it were an investment property he would have sold during the boom.  not when RE is down 30%. 

so this is very odd they are selling this place NOW. 

I agree...
Unless the house was somehow foreclosed on!!! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
Hi Lone!!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:27:30 PM
Name: L Roy Dellaringa
Birth Date: Aug 1949
Address: 18707 S Bacchetti Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0101 (1988)

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Luigi Roy Dellaringa
Name: Luigi Roy Dellaringa
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1949
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Delcarlo 
Birth County: San Joaquin 

he dies at age 54?  hmmm

this is barbara's husband

died in 2003

he was part of the partnership E dellaringa and sons in 1975 and I don't know how long that partnership was intact, but he was testifying concerning united farm workers over tomato harvest, so maybe they either grew tomatoes or they were contractors.?
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:euKkGt87k0kJ:www.alrb.ca.gov/legal_searches/decisions/3_77(1977)ocr.pdf+dellaringa+meaning&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:32:41 PM
Hi Lone!!! ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Love~
How are finals going?
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Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
there has to be something about that note that they don't release for "some" reason.  If it meant nothing other than sandra was out in that area, they would have just released it as they did the "letter", or they would not say one name of the streets and not the other, or if there are 2 street names and the WORD whitehall, that is something totally different than whitehall street and 1 other street, but for whatever reason they are not releasing it.  and "suitcase" is spelled incorrectly and Melissa knows full well how to spell suitcase.  and why say it is misspelled if they don't say how, and if it is just an error why care?  having a "cryptic" note in this case is very telling to ME.  because there is so much of the cryptic stuff going on in this are for YEARS/Decades; and melissa has not been around that long, so for me, that points to someone else involved.  ugh. 

or maybe the note is nothing and melissa just flipped out?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
IF this is the correct deed for that property, they have owned it for ONLY 5 years.. and had the wanted to sell wouldn't they have sold during the BOOM, especially if david memory is a real estate agent.  He is very knowledgeable of the house market, he would not be selling NOW, or moving after buying it 5 years ago... if it were an investment property he would have sold during the boom.  not when RE is down 30%. 

so this is very odd they are selling this place NOW. 

I agree...
Unless the house was somehow foreclosed on!!! ::MonkeyEek::

always possible a foreclosure, but if he bought in 2004 that is before the huge jump in prices so he must have bought much lower than the mrket value when everything jumped, and his mortgage should not be skyhigh if purchaed in 2004.  and his being a RE agent, he's not stupid and agrees to ARMS and stupid loans that get him in trouble, and if in trouble financially he would know how to get out during the boom and also know a ton of loan officers with creative financing to get him out of the mess.  so it just makes no sense to me


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
Hi Lone!!! ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Love~
How are finals going?
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Half way done, I have one more month, but otherwise things are well, Thank you!
Summer semesters are done in two-thirds the time than a regular semester, so i lose a month. My studies, assignments, exams etc..are coming at me fast!! But all is well...My children are enjoying their summer, but not me..LOL...I am studying, going to the pool, going to my eldest daughters and visiting my grandkids, coming back home studying and researching for here... ::MonkeyRoll:: It keeps me on my toes really..How are you doing??

~Love~


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:41:07 PM
a cadaver dog hit on old river right off, they were out there searching old river right off and also at the same time searching around 11th street to the south, which again is very telling to me being the streets down in that area.  This is another reason I think there are cryptics in this note.  I would not be supprised at all to find out the streets or "clues" might be pointing to bird or chrisman roads off of 11th.  and then remembe the 11:11 post on the church site guestbook?  there we are again, pointing to 11.   ::MonkeyDevil::


hmm a cryptology thread.  do you realize how crazy I already sound  ::MonkeyShocked::

I'll give it a go, but then if I notice people are not talking to me anymore, I will quit ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:43:38 PM
So David memory's son, Stephen, who is 19 is the cadet??

yes, all the docs to PROVE that are right above, the birth record with his mother nee name is BLIM, 

laura blim married david f memory in southern cali, they more to tracy in 1989, same year stephen is born.  the parents are listed at that exact address.  so it is all them, and stephen is the son.

and laura and david are on the deed from barbara jo dellaring, 2004.

This is a little odd.... ::MonkeyEek::
There are 3 listings of birthplaces for David F Memory

Snipped:
http://www.birthdatabase.com/cgi-bin/query.pl?textfield=david&textfield2=memory&age= (http://www.birthdatabase.com/cgi-bin/query.pl?textfield=david&textfield2=memory&age=)
First Name           Last Name     Birthday     City     State     Records     
DAVID         F MEMORY    1955-05-27    Tracy    CA    Find Public Record    
DAVID         F MEMORY    1955-05-27    Walnut    CA    Find Public Record    
DAVID         F MEMORY    1955-05-27    Redlands    CA    


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
yes that is pretty weird for 3 different locations for birth. 

I wonder where that database gets it's info, someone must have used those birth locations on something. weird.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 02:51:38 PM
California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about David Fred Memory
Name: David Fred Memory
Birth Date: 27 May 1955
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Poorbaugh   
Birth County: Riverside 
 
and this one is Riverside ... wonder if that is town or county?  that is southern cali for sure though


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
a cadaver dog hit on old river right off, they were out there searching old river right off and also at the same time searching around 11th street to the south, which again is very telling to me being the streets down in that area.  This is another reason I think there are cryptics in this note.  I would not be supprised at all to find out the streets or "clues" might be pointing to bird or chrisman roads off of 11th.  and then remembe the 11:11 post on the church site guestbook?  there we are again, pointing to 11.   ::MonkeyDevil::


hmm a cryptology thread.  do you realize how crazy I already sound  ::MonkeyShocked::

I'll give it a go, but then if I notice people are not talking to me anymore, I will quit ::MonkeyDevil::

Hmmm...
This ALL is quite fascinating!!!!  Living 2 hours away from Tracy ...I have been following this since the morning it was first reported...
Interesting to me that I missed the dogs!!!  So, cadaver dogs hit on Old River???  Whoa...
That kind of puts a whole different spin on things for me!
Sadly, it also makes me wonder if Sandra was really killed that evening or if it was one time afterward.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
Report of man at pond where

How to help
Cards and condolences to the family of Sandra Cantu may be sent to the Tracy Police Department, 1000 Civic Center Drive, Tracy, California, 95376.
Donations should be sent to the Carole Sund-Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation at 301 Downey Avenue, Modesto, California, 95354, attn. Sandra Cantu.
Tracy girl found; news conference at 3:30 p.m.

Associated Press

TRACY, Calif. — A local resident says he saw a man "acting real strange" at an irrigation pond three days before eight-year-old Sandra Cantu's body was found in a suitcase pulled from the water.

After the gruesome discovery, Stephen Memory says he spoke to the FBI about what he saw.

The 19-year-old Memory reported that he thought it was odd to see a beige Chevrolet Silverado truck parked on the shoulder of the road facing in the wrong direction on the afternoon of April 3. Sandra's body was found April 6.

Memory says the driver — a white man in his late 40s or early 50s wearing a white baseball cap and dark T-shirt — appeared to be looking down at the ditch beside the road, which is not well-traveled.

Tracy police and the FBI did not immediately return calls for comment.
______________

so stephen memory sees this guy at the pond 3 days BEFORE they find Sandra's body.  so when did he tell the police about seeing this guy...why takes 3 days to look in the pond if he knew this 3 days prior, or did he not tell them until after they found her there? 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
yes that is pretty weird for 3 different locations for birth. 

I wonder where that database gets it's info, someone must have used those birth locations on something. weird.

Yes because so far that database seems pretty accurate...
Let's see what I get for Lane Lawless  ::MonkeyDevil::

Hmmm...I got zippo, zilch

First Name           Last Name     Birthday     City     State     Records     
CLIFFORD         L LAWLESS    1954-02-18    Galva    KS    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         L LAWLESS    1954-02-18    Galva    KS    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         A LAWLESS    1941-04-08    Greenville    SC    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         A LAWLESS    1941-04-08    Denver    CO    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         L LAWLESS    1917-07-07    Indianapolis    IN    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         L LAWLESS    1917-07-07    Indianapolis    IN    Find Public Record    

Total records: 6







   


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:06:12 PM
now a "cadaver" dog will hit on "anything dead".  it is the trailing dogs who hit on a "specific person's" scent.  but still, what were they doing out there anyway?  why go out to old river in the first place, and at the same time they are searching by 11th south of the MHP. 

it was my guess at the time, and from the beginning that someone was "communicating" to the police and they were not saying so.  All those press conferences where they never reported anything to the public, but I always thought they were "answering" the "communicator".  and they were searching according to what this "communicator" was telling them.

they always said they knew nothing about a suitcase nor a note.  They did.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:08:03 PM
hmmm on clifford lawless

how about try lawless and lane august 1931


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
now a "cadaver" dog will hit on "anything dead".  it is the trailing dogs who hit on a "specific person's" scent.  but still, what were they doing out there anyway?  why go out to old river in the first place, and at the same time they are searching by 11th south of the MHP. 

it was my guess at the time, and from the beginning that someone was "communicating" to the police and they were not saying so.  All those press conferences where they never reported anything to the public, but I always thought they were "answering" the "communicator".  and they were searching according to what this "communicator" was telling them.

they always said they knew nothing about a suitcase nor a note.  They did.  ::MonkeyDevil::
Perhaps they were communicating with MH!!!
I think it would matter if it were cadaver dogs or trailing dogs.
It's my understanding that cadaver dogs are trained to hit specifically on human remains...
Here's what I found on the subject....

Tracking dog - This dog is used to locate suspects or find missing persons or objects. Bloodhounds are often used for this task.

Cadaver dogs - Some dogs are trained in detecting the odor of decomposing bodies. Dogs' noses are so sensitive that they are even capable of detecting bodies that are under running water[10]. Pioneering work was done by Dr. Debra Komar (University of Alberta) in Association with the RCMP Civilian Search Dog Association in this area. The result was the development of training techniques that resulted in near 100% accuracy rates[11]. Her research has been published in the Journal of Forensic Anthropology.

Snipped:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_dog)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:24:34 PM
hmmm on clifford lawless

how about try lawless and lane august 1931

No Luck!
This is what pops up...
 For Clifford Lane

First Name           Last Name     Birthday     City     State     Records     
CLIFFORD         L LANE    1973-12-04    Fort Worth    TX    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         D LANE    1969-09-21    Trimble    MO    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         R LANE    1968-09-28    Sicklerville    NJ    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         A LANE    1965-01-29    Bangor    ME    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         LANE    1965-01-29    Bangor    ME    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         J LANE    1964-01-16    Humble    TX    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         G LANE    1963-03-19    Biloxi    MS    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         LANE    1958-03-28    New York    NY    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         D LANE    1958-02-26    Sierra Vista    AZ    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         P LANE    1956-12-16    Great Neck    NY    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         P LANE    1956-12-16    Roslyn    NY    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         L LANE    1956-11-16    Akron    OH    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         D LANE    1954-03-30    Berthoud    CO    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         W LANE    1954-02-01    East Meadow    NY    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         H LANE    1953-09-09    Beaverton    OR    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         M LANE    1952-08-10    Concord    CA    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         H LANE    1950-05-26    Lake Alfred    FL    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         LANE    1949-12-24    Puyallup    WA    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         D LANE    1949-12-24    Sumner    WA    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         D LANE    1949-12-24    Boise    ID    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         E LANE    1948-04-07    Errol    NH    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         E LANE    1944-05-17    Raleigh    NC    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         W LANE    1944-02-02    Rockland    MA    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         LANE    1944-02-02    Plymouth    MA    Find Public Record    
CLIFFORD         LANE    1944-01-31    Rockville    MD    Find Public Record    

Total records: 68



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:29:16 PM
can you punch in last name lawless 1931 with no first name, see what you get?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:32:33 PM
can you punch in last name lawless 1931 with no first name, see what you get?

It shows your search : 0


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 03:33:22 PM
a lot of times cadaver dogs will hit on animal remains or animal bones.
but those dogs hit on something dead out on old river.  but they were out there for some reason.  why would le just out of the blue run out to old river?  and 11th?  When I figured out what they were doing I was like whoa, because I had already been looking at both of these areas, along with the tom paine slough, but that is because I know all this area from looking at so many cases.  I have watched this area for years trying to figure out who it is in this area who is killing people. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:48:40 PM
a lot of times cadaver dogs will hit on animal remains or animal bones.
but those dogs hit on something dead out on old river.  but they were out there for some reason.  why would le just out of the blue run out to old river?  and 11th?  When I figured out what they were doing I was like whoa, because I had already been looking at both of these areas, along with the tom paine slough, but that is because I know all this area from looking at so many cases.  I have watched this area for years trying to figure out who it is in this area who is killing people. 
So, do you think this is a cult or the work of a lone serial killer?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 03:54:10 PM
Hmmm...
My mind is going...
I'm thinking about the mis-spelling of suitcase....
I wonder what the significance of that was?
Soot case
Sut Kase
Soit kas
????? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:40:32 PM
franco who found the suitcase lives on this parcel
21212009 18344 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:43:14 PM
Name: Jose L Franco
Address: 18344 Bacchetti Rd  
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-9432
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 2000 2001 


Name: Jose L Franco
Address: 18344 Bacchetti Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95304-9432
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 2002 

______________________



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
so he is on the huge parcel that borders whitehall and also borders the tom paine slough, also the parcel which has the ponds on it
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantu-parcel-map3.jpg


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:47:19 PM
listed on this parcel at the same address as franco is
21212009 18344 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR

WINTON, CA
ATWATER, CA
GUSTINE, CA
HILMAR, CA
TRACY, CA
CERES, CA

Possible Relatives:

BETTENCOURT, MARIA (Age 45)
NUNESSANTOS, SHIRLEY A (Age 61)
SANTOS, SHIRLEY FRANCES (Age 59)
NUNES, DOMINGO (Age 50)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MELLOW, MARIA F (Age 64)
DEMELO, JOSE LUIS (Age 51)
 


 RIVERBANK, CA
OAKDALE, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ


 RIVERBANK, CA
OAKDALE, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA
GUSTINE, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JOSE S
FAUSTO, JOSE D
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ
 


 OAKDALE, CA
LOS BANOS, CA
RIVERBANK, CA
LIVINGSTON, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JOSE S
FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, JOSE D
FAUSTO, ADOLFO (Age 34)
FAUSTO, VICENTEZ

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GARCIA, TEOFILO T (Age 69)
 


 GILROY, CA
TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

FAUSTO, JESUS J
FAUSTO, MARIA D (Age 51)
 


  TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BEM, MARIA G (Age 60)
BEM, LUSA B
 



Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BACCHETTI & SILVA PARTNERSHIP
 PROUD SARGENT, INC
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DOWLING, CAROL BACCHETTI (Age 49)
BACCHETTI, GERDA E (Age 92)
BACCHETTI, FRANCIS A (Age 76)
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V (Age 79)
BACCHETTI, MARIAN M
BACCHETTI, FRANCES V
BACCHETTI, RINA L
BACCHETTI, SILVA PTP
BACCHETTI, FRANCES

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SILVA, ANN P (Age 51)
 


 TRACY, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA

Possible Relatives:

VELAZQUEZ, EFRAIN A (Age 54)
VELASQUEZ, DENA
AGUILAR, JOSELUI L (Age 36)
AGUILAR, LILIA P (Age 25)
AGUILAR, JOSE LUIS (Age 57)
VELAZQUEZ, ESABEL N (Age 42)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CELAYA, FRANCISCO A (Age 29)
CELAYA, A C
 



 TRACY, CA
WATERFORD, CA

 Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, A C

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

HERNANDEZ, CARLOS (Age 23)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CELAYA, FRANCISCO A (Age 28)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

VELASQUEZ, EFRAIN (Age 34)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

HERNANDEZ, PETRA


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:55:14 PM
in previous post
MELLOW, MARIA F (Age 64)
DEMELO, JOSE LUIS (Age 51)


so is this also jose luis FRANCO?   same address, same first and middle name. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
also have a AGUILAR, JOSE LUIS (Age 57)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
we might never figure out the real names of the "workers".  It is possible they will use many names if they are mexican nationals.  I wonder if FRANCO is a mexican national?  or is he a us citizen?  not that it matters, but if he is not here legally he might have changed his name many times so he could stay and work here. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 05:01:21 PM
Things that make you go hmmm

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/781/64937050.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/64937050.jpg/)

(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8998/44087538.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/i/44087538.jpg/)

what address is this truck at, I really can't see the address on there. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
It looks to me like 18666 Bacchetti Rd.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 05:15:05 PM
It looks to me like 18666 Bacchetti Rd.


I thought so too, but no such address is pulling up. 
let me blow up the photo


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
I tried to photoshop it and I still can't figure it out.  everything I try won't come up as a legit address . hmmm



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 05:30:33 PM
I tried to photoshop it and I still can't figure it out.  everything I try won't come up as a legit address . hmmm


Well that's weird!!!
My dad was a bizarre fundamentalist preacher (he did NOT live with me)...Anyway he had a REAL THING about 666...
He was convinced that a building marked with that number was a "temple of the Beast"....


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
I tried to photoshop it and I still can't figure it out.  everything I try won't come up as a legit address . hmmm




When I google, I cruise around the streets DD... I take the street view and go to an fro looking at all houses. I even googled the trailer park where Williams resides but it only lets you in the entrance. I found the above when I googled whitewall and bacchetti road...and from there i messed around looking at things...


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 05:50:13 PM
I tried to photoshop it and I still can't figure it out.  everything I try won't come up as a legit address . hmmm




When I google, I cruise around the streets DD... I take the street view and go to an fro looking at all houses. I even googled the trailer park where Williams resides but it only lets you in the entrance. I found the above when I googled whitewall and bacchetti road...and from there i messed around looking at things...

i figured that is what you were doing, LOL, I do that too, but I was hoping you would remember what part of the map road you were on LOL 

I wonder who owns that truck or what house they are visiting down there. 
well we know bacchetti road starts at parcel 05 there on the corner and goes north, let me see if I can fid the address where the mobile is and see aht that address is. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 05:53:11 PM
My other theory would be that these dairy people, the workers, or whoever, use the dairy as their address, but actually reside elsewhere..


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
I tried to photoshop it and I still can't figure it out.  everything I try won't come up as a legit address . hmmm




When I google, I cruise around the streets DD... I take the street view and go to an fro looking at all houses. I even googled the trailer park where Williams resides but it only lets you in the entrance. I found the above when I googled whitewall and bacchetti road...and from there i messed around looking at things...

i figured that is what you were doing, LOL, I do that too, but I was hoping you would remember what part of the map road you were on LOL 

I wonder who owns that truck or what house they are visiting down there. 
well we know bacchetti road starts at parcel 05 there on the corner and goes north, let me see if I can fid the address where the mobile is and see aht that address is. 


I have it up now, it is so close to the intersection of Bacchetti and Whitehall..what do you need me to get DD??


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 06:05:01 PM
Go here DD...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1


and hit street view and you will see it...


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Go here DD...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1


and hit street view and you will see it...
I believe the address with the beige truck is 18668
Snipped:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:34:57 PM
Go here DD...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1


and hit street view and you will see it...
I believe the address with the beige truck is 18668
Snipped:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18658+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1)

Actually it comes up as 18694 Bacchetti Rd, Tracy, CA, United States
Address is approximate


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 06:36:08 PM
I need the address of that house where the beige truck is.

nothing coming up for 18668


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:41:51 PM
I need the address of that house where the beige truck is.

nothing coming up for 18668

Did you try 18694?
18694 Bacchetti Tracy, San Joaquin, California 95304
That's what I get for the house with the truck, I think!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:43:15 PM
Let's see if this link works...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18694+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18694+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
Let's see if this link works...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18694+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18694+Bacchetti+Tracy,+San+Joaquin,+California+95304&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=vehHSrjOD4iuNuiO_d0N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1)

OK DD
This link should take you there...
turn yourself around and you'll see it!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 06:50:26 PM
I need the address of that house where the beige truck is.

nothing coming up for 18668

I don't think it is a house do you? It looks like a shed and you need come from the intersection of bacchetti and whitehall, click on the shedd and you will get the 18666 address


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:01:41 PM
I have no problem seeing the house, shed , truck etc,
what I need is the actual street address of that place
I keep trying everything for the address and nothing will come up
I tried all the ones


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:02:43 PM
on the house next to the shed, the house with the green/dark car, the sign out there on the corner of their house says BACCHETTI and a number, I am trying to figure out what that number says.


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
is that 18622? 
if so that is listed with bacchetti and also ann silva


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:10:18 PM
here is what I am wondering and why I am so set on figuring out whose house that is. 
What IF that truck is the one memory described? 
it might belong to a bacchetti or a silva, or a friend of theirs who happened to park that truck there at the time these map photos were taken but normally is never around? 

would you turn in a silva or bacchetti and continue to still live out there ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

oh heck no!!  see what I mean.  be a good reason to sell your house and move ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 07:12:11 PM
here is what I am wondering and why I am so set on figuring out whose house that is. 
What IF that truck is the one memory described? 
it might belong to a bacchetti or a silva, or a friend of theirs who happened to park that truck there at the time these map photos were taken but normally is never around? 

would you turn in a silva or bacchetti and continue to still live out there ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

oh heck no!!  see what I mean.  be a good reason to sell your house and move ::MonkeyDevil::

Uh-huh!!!!!! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: lonemonkey on June 28, 2009, 07:15:01 PM
BTW, I noticed a KEEP OUT sign on their front gate of that house with the Bacchetti sign in front...Can't imagine one would get many visitors out there in the first place.
Friendly neighbors, I guess, ehh?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
Wait until you see this picture..LOL..I am just doing screen shots if i see something different...

If you put in this addy..18566 Bacchetti Rd, Tracy, San Joaquin, California 95304
You have to look across the street to see the screen shot I took..LOL

(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4058/60844465.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/i/60844465.jpg/)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
okay, look at the topo map, go to the whitehall / bacchetti intersection
see the little black dots/boxes.. there is one on the corner, that is the 05 parcel, then next one is the actual Dairy parcel / address. 

so those two are bacchetti houses.  the second one would be the 18622 with the bacchetti sign out front, and the first one is the 05 bacchetti parcel with ann silva/bacchetti also.

so inbetween those two is the shed with the truck, so that truck is definitely on the bacchetti property right on the other side of the fense where the 18622 house is with the bacchetti sign. 

so who owns that truck?  when were these google photos taken?  does it have a date there?

now where is memory's house?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:37:42 PM
is that a camper shell on that truck
and what kind of truck is this, or the year?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantubacctruck1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 07:38:36 PM
hehe is the tire flat?? A lil bit I think it is..I am sorry DD, I have
to giggle once in a while ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
hehe is the tire flat?? A lil bit I think it is..I am sorry DD, I have
to giggle once in a while ::MonkeyDance::

I also thought the tire was flat ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:50:44 PM
someone who knows trucks should be able to know what the emblem on the side says

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantubacctruck2.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:53:48 PM
so is this the same truck?  hmm this one has the white shell too?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/cantususpicioustruck1.jpg)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
this is on page 2 of this thread, did not mean too much at the time but look at it now.

robert dellaringa has a different address that memory.  now we know that memory was deeded over from barbara(wife of deceased Roy) dellaringa, so more than one dellaringa house was out there.  memory was deeded over in 2004, roy died i 2003.  now memory is selling.

ok now we have memory's address, so how far is his house down that road?

Resident Names On Bacchetti
Norbeto Montoya
18356 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please



Jose L Franco
18400 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

Jose L Franco
18400 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432


Robert Dellaringa
18581 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please


Bacchetti & Silva Dairy
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) 835-7674
Company: Bacchetti & Silva Dairy


Whitehall Estates Cheese Co
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) 833-6127
Company: Whitehall Estates Cheese Co


Ann P Silva
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Mario A Silva


Mario A Silva
18700 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
Household: Ann P Silva


David F Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: Jill Memory, Laura B Memory


Jill Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: David F Memory, Laura B Memory

Laura B Memory
18707 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-8405
Household: David F Memory, Jill Memory


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
looks like memory might be right across the street from silva?

18700 bacchetti/silva
18707 memory


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 08:13:07 PM
so the memory house is across the street because the parcel number is 07.  so it is straight across from the corner.  just on the other side of the road.  see the parcel map where 21211007 is.  straight across from 05.  so the dellaringa's parcels were on the other side of the street. 
so memory looks straight over at the silva's house.  so that truck must not be there any more, or he would see it every single day?  or he looked over there and saw it and said that is the description of the truck he saw.  did he lie? and make this up? 

21211007 18707 S BACCHETTI RD UNTR  

Memory listed at this one.  Memory is the name of the cadet who saw the suspicious truck

TRACY, CA
WALNUT, CA
REDLANDS, CA
RIVERSIDE, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
MEMORY, ELIZABETH A (Age 21)


 TRACY, CA
REDLANDS, CA
WALNUT, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
MEMORY, JILL (Age 61)


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, JOSEPH B (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LUIS R
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M



 TRACY, CA

 Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)



 TRACY, CA
KILLEEN, TX

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, MANDY
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, JOSEPH B (Age 27)
DELL, ARINGA LROY (Age 58)
DELL, ARINGA BARBARA



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, ROY L
DELLARINGA, LUIS R



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, BARBARA (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
DELLARINGA, ROY L



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

DELLARINGA, LEWIS R (Age 59)
DELLARINGA, BARBARA J (Age 58)
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M (Age 27)
DELLARINGA, LOUIS R (Age 59)

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ROY, BARBARA
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ROY, DELL ARINGA
 



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
MEMORY, ELIZABETH A (Age 21)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, DAVID F (Age 54)
MEMORY, KAITLINMARI (Age 23)
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, ARINGA L
ARINGA, LOUIS R



 TRACY, CA Possible Relatives:

MEMORY, LAURA B (Age 52)
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, ROY L
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
 


 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ARINGA L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, LUIS R
 

 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

ARINGA, ROY L
ARINGA, LOUIS R
ARINGA, ARINGA L
DELLARINGA, ANNALIESE M
DELLARINGA, ROY L


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 08:15:11 PM
wow the memory family moved straight into the dairy turf  ::MonkeyDevil::

then insinuates the silva/bacchetti truck was at the pond? ::MonkeyDevil::

no wonder the house is for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 08:17:48 PM
so franco is at 18400... the numbers get smaller on this street at you go towards the dead end of it, so he is way down in there. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
okay here is what we are to believe according to the news, memory, the police, etc. 

melissa drives sandra's body out to whitehall, where no cars ever go.  She tosses the suitcase out in the pond, no one sees her.  Then on april 3rd, memory sees a truck out there with this white guy 40-50 sitting, looking down, acting suspicious and won't look at memory, and memory tells the fbi later, and describes a truck that looks like the one at bacchetti/silva dairy across the street from him.  btw, the police new nothing about this suspicious truck according to sheenan(det) so when did memory tell this to the fbi?  and why did he not tell the police if the truck was so suspicious and no one ever goes out there? 

and what are the chance or both melissa going out there to deposit sandra, and also this suspicious truck ends up out there on the 3rd, yet, no one ever goes down that road?  GET REAL!!!  I don't believe word of this story!!!!


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 08:36:08 PM
You know whats eating at me DD? It is a desolate area, and all the sheds and houses, that are in ruins...The trash you see on the ground by the mail boxes, the old boat, the old couche. I just get an gut wrenching feeling. And even with all filth in the area, Memorys house is that beautiful? I don't get it, and you are right, even Memory said that maybe 4 or 5 vehicles go down that road a week, month??? And what about when the suitcase was found...Do we know how many people it took to put it in the vehicle. And maybe it was easier for someone to push it out of a vehicle of course, but really, you think in that area, they would have been scared to even venture there. Sad so sad and all the lies...even the Williams with his suitcase story..


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
I really think we need to get on that Montoya name that resides at the dead end, where the trailer is..


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2009, 08:56:35 PM
I believe more than one person is directly involved in this murder. MH + ?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 08:58:12 PM
Norbeto Montoya
18356 Bacchetti Rd
Tracy, CA 95304-9432
(209)Edit-No phone numbers please..Searched by phone number here..

STEVENSVILLE, MT
LODI, CA
TRACY, CA
FREMONT, CA    

Possible Relatives:

LIKINS, JIM F
FAGUNDES, DOUGLAS A (Age 47)
DOCHERTY, MICHAELW (Age 61)
FAGUNDES, FLOYD F (Age 76)
LIKINS, RICHARD ALAN (Age 56)
SILVALIKINS, JUDY TRUST (Age 57)
SILVALIKINS, JUDY A (Age 57)
LIKINS, JAMES TRUST (Age 53)
LIKINS, W
   
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

MANTECA, CA
SAN JOSE, CA
TRACY, CA    

Possible Relatives:

DENOGEAN, MARICELA GONZAL (Age 40)
GONZALES, RICARDO M (Age 43)
GONZALES, ELIZABETH ANN (Age 43)
GONZALES, MARIANELA M (Age 68)
GONZALES, LUIS J (Age 43)
FAJARDO, MARIANELA G (Age 40)
GONZALES, SABINE K
GONZALES, MARICELA
GONZALES, MARICELA M (Age 40)
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

MANTECA, CA
TRACY, CA    

Possible Relatives:
GONZALES, MARIANELA M (Age 68)
GONZALES, SABINE K
GONZALES, ESPERANZA (Age 27)
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

TRACY, CA     

How come I don't see any Montoyas, maybe its an old number..LOL
I do see a couple of Silvas in there, mixed in there..
    



Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
I see the BEM names are also at the norbeto montoya address
18356 BACCHETTI TRACY, CA
 FREMONT, CA
TRACY, CA
NEWARK, CA
HAYWARD, CA

Possible Relatives:

ASEFI, KHALIL AZIZA
ASEFI, GHULAMI (Age 68)
ASEFI, TAWABULLAH ULLAH (Age 38)
ASEFI, MASTURA
ASEFI, ENAYATOLLAH E (Age 57)
TAWAB, ULLAH ASEFI

Possible Roommates / Associates:

HORAKHSH, GHULAM J (Age 62)




 TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA
SALIDA, CA

 Possible Relatives:

BEM, JOHN S (Age 60)
JIMENEZ, LUSA
BEM, LUSA B
BEM, JOAO S

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JIMINEZ, ISIDORO




 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BEM, MARIA G (Age 60)
BEM, LUSA B
 

 
 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BEM, MARIA G (Age 60)
BEM, JOHN S (Age 60) 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: love4ever on June 28, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
I wanted to also make note of the Francos who have a couple of notary businesses...Wouldn't that be perfect for name changing for immigrants?

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9812/67923869.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/67923869.jpg/)

Cited:

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=Franco&vw=Business&Search=Business&Input=Name&city=Tracy&state=CA (http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=&mn=&ln=Franco&vw=Business&Search=Business&Input=Name&city=Tracy&state=CA)


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 09:20:41 PM
there are a lot of portuguese people with the surname of FRANCO. He might be portuguese?


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 09:23:12 PM
I really hope no one takes it wrong when I mention different ethnicities.  I only try to figure this out so I can know which culture is theirs.  It has nothing at all to do with anything other than that.  Just thought I would mention this because I keep refering to what ethnicity people are.  Knowing a person's traditional heritage and culture helps to know a lot about who people know, some of their beliefs, etc. 


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: doubledecker on June 28, 2009, 09:24:35 PM
well now I sound like I am sterotyping people ugh.  I'm not. 
oh well I guess people understand what I mean  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
understand perfectly -- not a problem for me.

 :smt045


Title: Re: Irrigation Pond
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2009, 11:21:02 PM
from Blinkoncrime.com

Comment by Christen Allen Iman — April 10, 2009 @ 1:03 pm
Good morning, B.

I was looking at the location where police cadet Stephen Memory said the truck was parked on the wrong side of the road.
This would be on the south side of Whitehall Road facing west towards Bacchetti Road.

Sandra of course, was recovered across the road from where the truck was parked, on the north side of Whitehall Road.

What’s interesting is that these two locations are approximately 150 meters from one another.
Close proximity considering the crime scene and chronologics involved.

The truck may have been parked at that spot as the trees would restrict any view from the nearby houses and the unsub would have a good view of vehicles or people along the entire road.

And if he had parked along the north side of Whitehall, he’d not have the same amount of cover and concealment he’d require to dispose of the suitcase.
Plus the spot he had chosen has more solid ground and would leave less in the way of tire tread marks for later comparison.

He’d not park in close proximity to the disposal location as he’d surely know that police would be photographing and casting any and all tire tread imprints at that location.
So I think he parked where he thought would be far enough away that he felt they wouldn’t be able to link him to this murder.

I think he’s our guy the more I look at the psychology involved in all this.
It fits what I recognize as typical offender behaviour.

What do you think?

Chris

Chris, excellent points, I agree. I would add that although I agree with your observations, the one thing that sticks out for me is the dichotomy of your description is more associated with an organized offender which I do NOT believe this is. Unless your willing to suggest that this is post-haste thinking, a few days breathing room if you will. What lends itself to that theory is the fact that he came back to the site in the first place… What was he doing there? Are you able to plot his field of vision where he was? Was he contemplating moving the suitcase? Was he checking to see if it had surfaced after taking the time to educate himself after the fact that it is a probability during decompostion that the case would surface? Did he just realize there was something in that case that would tie him to it? Was he spoken to by Police that day, or perhaps the pastor, Was he riddled with remorse and someone close to him confronted him with their suspicions?
OR
Did he just find out that the ponds are drained to irrigate and this one had just started that day and he knew he had a limited number days and had a panic attack and froze in his truck?

However we get there, I think he’s our guy. I think we will find out in a few hours.
B