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Me Me Me Me   :lol:

I promise to be nice.

I think I go along with the idea that the shopped pic was to show Nat and JVDS at New Years party this year.

Pretty sure from the way it was described be needed professionally and quickly that it's gonna be in a book by JVDS due in april.

yep the very book the civil suit put the brakes on I believe?

Do you seriously think he would publish that photo in a book? I think he has had his fill of bad press.

Maybe He'll Come To Your Town On His Book Signing Tour .....

After You Run Him Over.. Back Up Over Him Once For Me ....

 8)

Well don't the think the thrown out civil suit is gonna put the brakes on anything.

This book was part of the expose by DeVries.

Also goes with JVDS/PVDS claims to reveal the 'real' truth at the appropriate time. Looks like the pic was to support a 'runaway' theory.

I have read a trans of the de Vries/Carlo interview.

Carlo admits the meeting...and the follow-up letter. He admits that he is aware of *rumors* about the meeting. He refuses to show de Vries the letter. The interview does not mention the specifics of the meeting or letter but those who have seen the video say that Carlo looks guilty as hell. And that is from Joran supporters.

The book was to be published in Holland....there hadn't been any bad press....

They were short on time and it was prior to the civil case.  Makes me think it was something Joran was going to use in the civil case, even though easily disproved.

hmmm....
I'm getting an uneasy feeling.

good to hear igsigs, looking forward to that sticking to Carlos like super glue then.....

thanks buckeye for clarifying, I'm not on top of Joran's book plans

It appears that the Sloots are as incredibly stupid as we have figured them to be.

They can say 'prove' us wrong that Nat isn't still alive and a runaway.

Prove the pic isn't real, until the expose by DeVries.

I heard that I was being talked about by SandraK at FOB, so I went over and had a look-see.  Sandra seems to believe that I am Get-a-Grip and belong to secret forums - I am not and I don't.

Me too.  Hi Widget.

No I know, I just mean JVDS has had his fill of bad media attention , reports following him would he want to publish a photoshopped pic which I would think could be libelous if someone wanted to persue the case in court.

PVDS is not stupid. He is sly as a fox.

Hi San .........

Hope All Is Well With You ...........

 8)

it's ok

Hey Leslie, how much longer are you gonna be able to use 'Quebec, Canada' in your location instead of 'Quebec, Quebec'?

Hi Memphis ......

I AGREE .............

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we know leslie, I actually could not believe she was calling you out of all people  :roll:

SandraK is a fool.  Anyone that believes her is a fool.  She thrives on the attention.

I've got Greta pinned.
She is always going to side with Joe T.
She has too much at stake.
He is always on her show.
She depends on him.
They're in bed together.
Same reason she tends to believe Joran.
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Memphis - I couldn't agree more, Greta has always appeared obessessed with Taco.  She always let Joe Blow have the last word, even Jossy complained about that at one time. She's spineless is my opinion.

Hi None .............

Hit Her With A Slap Shot ..............

 8)

 :lol: You follow Canadian news!   We will become the Aruba of Canada :lol:

It does appear that Greta's show may have problems, don't know how many folks she may have turned off with her position, but she has lost me.

Ah, I think that's pretty big news, and yes I do follow it.

I hate to ask this, but how do you all do the quote thing. I'm sure it's simple but I just can't seem to figure it out.

Widget it would not be a fair fight, SandraK is missing serious gray matter

SandraK --> (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/word/coloreyes.gif)

She Lost Me On Jorans Interview ..........

The Shittiest Piece Of Broadcasting Ever Seen .......

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You aren't concerned at the slightest possiblity of armed conflict over the situation?

Sometimes he is memphis.

The one Paulus soundbite we have from the de Vries show is him on the phone with de Vries implying that he is holding back info that might hurt people if he revealed it.

What is left out is the follow up by de Vries asking Paulus when he will be able to reveal it. Paulus says...when Natalee is found.

Look at the post you want to quote.  Just above the post is a BUTTON that says QUOTE.  All you have to do is click on that button and it will automatically take you to the reply screen with that post already quoted.  Hit enter once or twice and start typing your reply.  :wink:

I usually just hit the 'quote' button in the upper right corner of a post to reply instead of the 'post reply' button at the bottom.

Click the quote button on upper right of the post you want to quote....then scroll down below last bracket and type your response.

And just how stoooopid is that? Was it to "prove" Nat's alive? What a dumbass he is.

If you want to quote off a post hit the quote button in the upper right hand corner of the post.

Hi Widget!  :D

Lelsie and I are not going to duke it out . ( Car, I am in Central English ( sort of )Canada. )

IndyDan

You don't have to quote all of us that responded.   :wink:

Incredible isn't it? But at the moment that appears to be a viable theory of what they are up to.

How stupid would a person have to be to photoshop himself into a pic that people are familiar with, and then try to convince those people it wasn't photoshopped. Is this just more proof that Joran is a few fries short of a Happy Meal?

Well...something has Daniel all riled up...and the price was high....maybe to cover any tract??

DUMB & DUMBER ...............

Hi BT ..........

It does appear that Greta's show may have problems, don't know how many folks she may have turned off with her position, but she has lost me.
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Carnut - when she said on her show after her softshoe interview with this teenaged rapist, that she was 'inclined to believe him'.  That spelled out to me that she was nothing more than a media whore. That one statement sold out Beth and Dave all for the hope that she might have exclusive exposure to this demented kid.

Yep, as Anna said earlier that JVDS appears to be 'off the intelligence chart' at the bottom.

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And apparently she ain't all that objective in her view on things.

She may be just dumb, making a mistake like we all do sometimes or more sinisterly, may have sold out to someone.

Heh, heh, I remember Greta's coverage of the 'runaway bride' episode made her look just a bit like some former Geraldo exposes'.

Joran and the photoshopped pic isn't driven by any kind of normal behaviour, it's driven by a sickness none of us can comprehend.
This is not a normal kid feeling his oats and acting out, this is a socio-pyschopath that needs to be watched very closely.

Smoochies Widgey!  :D

Long time no see.  :(

Carnut:  The Province of Quebec is like a separate country already except that being part of Canada is financially imperative.  We have our own rule of law, income taxes, pension plan, language laws, etc.  Love my home - hate the politics.

Hi Indy.
It suddenly became crystal clear to me. She may even have the hots for him, don't know.  :lol:

SandraK's signature song:   :lol:

http://tinyurl.com/yyrabm

Even a duck with a brain the size of a pea is smarter. :wink:

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ROFL !!!!!  :lol:  :lol: her fave vacation vista  :lol:

Hi igsigs!

See, this is what scares me. He has something up his sleeve. Look what he has done so far.

And I'll add that I really don't think Natalee or any of Natalee's belongings are buried anywhere on his property. They are long gone. I just don't believe he would ever risk that.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Do you think she can read that?  :lol:  :lol:

Yeah, but some appear to be considering complete secession.

Quebec a nation within Canada (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2676442)

Just wonder how the rest of 'Canada' will continue to live with that.

people that follow the case could tell in a NEW YORK minute that
the photo was BULL CRAP


its the PEOPLE that have not followed the case

those are the people JORAN and EVIL CREW were going to try and HOODWINK


they are STUPID

JORAN and the EVIL CREW

the EVIL CREW consists of many

at the TOP of the list is

PAULUS

and KARIN

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When that photo was shopped, it wasn't widely seen.
For whatever reason it was done, all of the mutiple choices are sick.

no it wasn't broadcast, it appeared at RU far as I can find, and only RU - you do the math

can you read that meds? quack !  8)

leslie, what was Joran's name ? the Ebay thing ?
And what is Kees email addy ?

Either PVDS is blackmailing the establishment on the island or else he's a bigger kingpin in the islands criminal activities than he appears to be.

Or those White Dutch on the island really do stick together.

None, I'm not so good at math. Can you spell this out for me?

Memphis-

The photo was posted by Stinkypete at RU originally during his expose with WangChung on the answers lie in MB.

Quack is from meds herself, if you read FOB you'll understand  :wink:

I have never met Sandra K and I often thought she was a teenager, rather wild and rambling, making up stuff as she went, trying her black poetry she copied from songs here, and then unbeknownst to SandraK, I saw a picture of her, in fact, several pictures of her.  Omiomiomi.  Not what I had expected at all and I was rather disappointed, because I was thinking young, vivacious blond, full of idealism and creativity, making up things as she goes, finding her way in the world and then  I saw this very matronly, slightly obtunded looking dreary person.  I do not believe she has a grip.

so...Joran got the picture from stinkypete?

I got the other part.  :wink:

What??  You mean you speak Papiamento and have been holding out on us all this time!!

J/k

 :D

Tyler, in a word "jive-talkin"  :lol:  :lol:

Memphis, I do suspect either the photo was sent direct to Anita or Joran, or they were alerted to capture it from RU........anything to assist the delicious sporter right?  :wink:

everyone have a good night !!

And about danged time, too, for you have been one of her last hold outs.  No question now as to where her loyalties lie.  And at the risk of offending some, I have to link some of her belief system to her participation in Scientology with its survival of the fittest mentality.

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 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I am just sure that she dropped her boat drink and spilled it all over the cabana boy when she read that TG!

Turn the channel when the 8itch comes on.

The stupidist thing I ever read over there was whne they counted how much underwear Natalee brought to Aruba with her. That was 'proof"
of the intent to run away. The only flaw in their arguement was that, the underwear was still in Aruba !  But they didn't get that far. Instead, they discussed how much undies a normal person would pack for a four day trip. LOL :lol:  :lol:

How dumb is that?  Well, he is involved, after all, with MedleyRelay and SandraK.

Was it the "Runaway Bride" or "Nancy Pelosi?" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would love to see them analyze my packing methods. I'm so lazy about packing that I don't even bother to count things. I just do a load of laundry and throw all the undies in the suitcase straight out of the dryer. I could end up on a 4 day trip with 12 pairs of underwear.  :lol:

Humm, was one of those pics the parking/car lot with the family?

All the kids in the car business?

Or am I thinking of someone else?

Tyler ~  :lol:  :lol: You've left me with quite an image.

Certain people need to LAY off the


Crack PIPE



 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted: [/b]

Goodnight None.

Nancy Pelosi? Unoh  you musta been watching a Greta I haven't seen.

Again, yes Anna I actually stopped watching Greta soon after the nightly coverage of Nat stopped. You might say I semi stopped even earlier because I would switch channels as soon as Joe T. would be introduced.

I think BETH may be on Greta again in a few minutes.  We need to check and see.

GRETA is a LOAD

 8)

BT, I always pack at least that many pairs for four days!  I might not have that many changes of clothing, but I want my unders to be clean, should I have a wreck or die or something.  My grandmother warned me about dying with dirty underwear on and now I am obsessed about that. :lol:  :lol:

I was wondering the same thing.  :wink:

LOL... me too ladies, my ex-husband once accused me of meeting a secret lover when I went on a weekend trip with my sister and neices due to the amount of underwear I had packed in my bag.... what a loser he was  :roll:

 :lol:

Tyler! We must be related! I always got that same warning too. :lol:

Kat_Gram:  I am not saying this is Joran's eBay account
http://tinyurl.com/yauavm
but the name King Dingiling is what interested me, because of the spelling and the fact that Freddy entitled a picture of Joran that.  I suppose anyone who calls himself King Dingiling is going to be buying soft handcuffs, a phony doctor's outfit, etc.

Carnut:  We always have the referendum in Quebec asking if we want to remain in Canada while the rest of the country holds it's breath.  Even though the only people allowed to make that decision are residents of the province and not all the land owners (many people who live in other provinces who still have family homes here) the majority votes to stay in Canada.  If the vote were nationwide; Quebec would be independant -so fast - as the rest of Canada is fed up with our complaints and issues.

I always just stuff as much stuff like that as I can in the bag.
I went thru customs one time and the nice man asked what I bought when I was away . Just underwear ! He says ? Yes !  I said just underwear ! Wanna see it ?
I got waved thru.
I was going to go in the suitcase and show him, but he was too shy  !

No, Nancy Pelosi looks like the "Runaway Bride," with the big eyes!!!

No, Carnut, the pictures I saw were not from the Internet.   :wink:

I didn't get home from work tonight until 8:15, so I'm trying to catch the local weather forecast instead of watching Greta. Do we know yet if Beth is on? TY

If she's going to be on it will probably be at the end of the show.

Greta just said coming up next after the break - Taco Joe

Joe Tacopina will be on Greta next after commercial.

I cannot watch Greta anymore after her lacklustre telephone interview with Peter de Vries and then the remote with Beth Twitty.  I don't like the way her mind works or the way her mouth hardly moves or the monotone voice plus she asks stupid questions.  I had to chuckle when Greta said to Beth "Nice to see you" and Beth paused ...  smiled  and said 'Hi, Greta".

Well, I am going to barf....Joe Taco is on Greta.... :roll:

Joe spoke to Paulus and Joran and they said there was absolutely no meeting.

ON THE RECORD
11-28-06

J Tacopino:

This statement is a false fact....it's unfortunate, you have a guy here who is trying to capatalize on a tragedy...this stunning revelation....Antonio Carlo said he did not have a meeting, and the only meeting he had with her is one that he made clear that he did not think joran should be held. I have been thru every page, if there was such a stunning admission we would have heard of it by now.
Earlie today I spoke with carlo, paulus and joran...

These notes he allegedly took, they were never produced, it is unbelievable this guy. he is not subject to the laws of the united states.

He is trying to cash in..

G:what was carlos reaction when he heard of this?

Joe:  He is an experienced and well respected lawyer in aruba. the notion that he would run to the prosecutor......

It is a flat out lie by the dutch reporter to make money and to give false hopes once again...

told ya

great sucks  8)

What a crock!!!  I can't believe Greta.  That's it!  I will no longer watch her under any circumstances....where is that barfdoll?   :x

greta sleeps with FISH HEAD


er ahh uhh i mean JOE TACO

 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Yeah, I do wonder how her position has affected her ratings.

Haven't really been looking at such things of late.

It sounds like I'm lucky I decided to watch the local weather forecast instead of Greta.  :(

OK, am I missing something?

We are supposed to believe that Carlo and Janssen did not say this happened because Tacopina says it didn't???

Its just that same hard investigative journalism Greta that has allowed you to solve the disappearance of Natalee.

What a joke ... Hey Greta ... Tacopina speaking for Carlo ...

WOULD NOT THAT BE HERESAY?

Hint ... thats a legal term :)

Fish Heads Fish Heads...roli poli fish heads..
Fish heads, fish heads...eat them up, yum.

Does appear that Greta is really working hard to avoid any hard pointed questions or followup responses.

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QUESTION TO GRETA AND HER PRODUCERS

Wouldn't the proper way to answer this to be to ask Antonio Carlo himself?

Or Karen Janssen herself?

Next thing Joe Tacopina will be answering Red's questions.


BTW Joe T. ... talking about libel and slander. You were doing a right fine job yourself tonight with the name calling of De Vries.

Joes just mad that he was in Rome and the Pope made a b-line out of town to Turkey.

So Joe, trip to Rome ... is it business or pleasure?

All I can say is I hope Beth refuses to come on Greta ever again...there are others that will let her on their show...Beth doesn't owe Greta anything.  I despise turncoats... :x  :x  :x

L'il Joey Is Full o' Beans

He didn't ask sloot about Antonio Carlo.

He asked why the goon is photoshopping pix of himself and Natalee.  And I guarantee you Taco did NOT get a straight answer.

C'mon, those "FAUXTOGRAPHS" make joran look and appear like a perverted sociopath.  That's great news for a lawyer defending a primary suspect in a high profile murder case.

And besides -- how would the sloots know if Carlo approached Jannsen in June, 2005; do we really think Carlo would tell the sloots?  Of course not.
Gawd, how painfully obvious.

Hey, Joey -- the Pope is in Turkey, he doesn't need or want anything to do with a lying, two-faced, barely competent lawyer -- like you.

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I don't think Beth goes on Greta cause she feels she owes her anything.
i just think she will use every avenue she can to keep this story alive, even if it means going on her show.

Great pic Klaas, But I think his face on a jackass would be more fitting

So lets understand this.

Way back when Greta has a lovefest with Joe T when the civil case got thrown out. Greta makes the comment that they all should go down to Aruba and solve this case. Like either of these two would do anything for free.

Peter de Vries, a respected criminal reporter does go to Aruba and attempts to do the right thing. Like it or not hate sites, all stated prior to de vries doing this NH case, he was a well respected investigator.

So de vries does his job and those that don't like what he says call him names.

How lame and typical is this? If you can't attack the message ... attack the messenger.

So what's your deal Greta? Jealous? Can't atand that someone would actually try and help a family for free and solve this case that does not meet your agenda?

How very sad that you would as a journalist, try and slant a story to meet your agenda.

Do us all a favor and go back to CNN where you obviously belong.

hey JOE TACO

where is the VIDEO of Natalee ?? you know the one in the lobby after she
got back from the beach ????????

hUH ??????

greta, you slug why dont you ask him that ??

GRETA, you are as BAD as TOILET

I know Beth is doing anything she can to find her child and I would certainly do the same.  I am just so darn tired of Greta kicking Beth every chance she gets.  Maybe I am being too harsh, but sorry folks, that is how I feel.  Beth has done nothing to deserve this kind of treatment.  Her daughter was murdered and for the life of me I don't understand how Greta can act the way she does.  It's just so hard to watch this...I am going to find me a new avatar...I will be better when I return...

Oh I understand where you are coming from...

GRETA

all is NOT FORGOTTEN

go out to dinner with the SLUG JOE

maybe you can rub footsies with each other

maybe GRETA IS MEDLEY


Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww GROSS me out  :twisted:

CARLO: An Experienced, Well-Respected Lawyer...

Indeed.

Quite troubling this "experienced, well-respected lawyer" decided to approach the prosecution with an admission of guilt on behalf of his socio-pathic client...NO?

Didn't De Vries say confirmations would not be found in the written record, in effect?  And why did brave Antonio run away like a school child when confronted with information re: the meeting w/ Jannsen?

Let's not talk about the FAUXTOGRAPHY -- OK?

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 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Joe T.

Other people have seen the material too ,,, BTW

What happened to the hotel video tape?
What happened to the hotel room key story?
Why did your client pay to fauxtoshop a picture with NH?
What did the original search warrant state?
Do you want to finally state for the record that the VDS premises was not searched?

Oh and by the way, come on Greta ... you got the info regarding pics and comments of JVDS last night and today. Why no questions?

Does it not fit your agenda?

Yes, it's pretty obvious that Greta has an agenda of her own that doesn't have anything to do with assisting Beth in solving the murder of her child. (And I still think that Greta has the hots for Joran  :roll: )

What a crock.....Greta really does suck......

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Results 1 - 10 of about 15,600 for Greta van susteren sucks. (0.13 seconds)

she really does show her true colors

gosh what a slug

Hi Monkeys.  I'm still reading to catch up, but this just cracked me up!  About a year ago we took my 22 year old daughter and her girlfriend to Las Vegas for a family reunion trip for a long weekend.  The girls bunked in with my hubby and I, and there were clothes everywhere!!!  These girls brought a large suitcase each in addition to makeup cases and other sundry bags of goodies.  When they hit the room to dress for the evening, clothes went flying in every which way as they tried on and discarded about a dozen outfits.  After I finished laughing, and they left for the big evening at the club, dolled to the nines, I proceeded to sort the clothes and put them back in the cases.  I counted 26 (twenty-six!) pairs of bikini panties that my own daughter had packed!!!   :roll:   I asked her the next day why she brought so many panties for a 3 night trip.  She said she didn't count them--she just scooped up a handful from her dresser drawer and dumped them in the suitcase!!!  I didn't know she owned that many panties.   :lol:   We did have a good time that weekend laughing at those girls who saw the big city for the first time.   :shock:

you know what i think
Greta is MAD that Beth mentioned Scaredmonkeys.com


you know what else i think
Greta reads here


you know what else i think
GRETA has lost her soul


you know what else i think
im inclined to believe that GRETA SUCKS

O robots...........yucccccccccccccccccccck

sowwwwwwwyyy,,

i lost it for a moment  :twisted:

 :shock:
One of my kids once sang that for three solid days.  He was only about three or four and we never knew why he was doing it.

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ok, so here is the million dollar question

is GRETA trying to seduce JORAN, PAULUS or JOE T. ?????


cause its the only thing that makes sense



im beginning to hate GRETA

I think Joe T said it was impossible for a lawyer to have a conscience.

Speak for yourself.

This is actually comical. The entire time this case have gone on in Aruba ... nothing whether it be ALE, searches, investigation, tips, judges, official, media ... etc has been done in a standard normal manner. Aruba is the side of a small town with a population of a small city.

Everybody knows everybody and everything ... hell Joe T said that.

Now Joe T. things that the legal profession in Aruba is some how like it is in the USA. What would prevent the legal system from being different as well where a lawyer may know that his client was guilty as sin and what he should do for the betterment of Aruba vs. his client?

Seems that maybe Carlo knew something that we have been stating for 18 months ...

What's good for Joran Van der Sloot ... is terrible for Aruba.

LOL

la la la la

LA LA LA LA

THere was a video of it too, long time ago in the beginning of MTV...LOL
It stuck in my head too!  :lol:

because WE dont undersatand the SYSTEM in TOILET ISLAND 8)

pehaps it is certainly reasonable and possible for a DEFENSE ATTY to go to a prosecutor and say what they want to say about a client

remember we do not UNDERSTAND their system
 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


in their system you can LIE, tell 18 different stories and spend a few weeks in JAIL, tell more LIES and all is forgotten  :roll:



my money goes with Devries

i wouldnt bet any money on the JOE the LOAD doing anything ethical

EVER

http://www.totse.com/en/ego/can_you_dance_to_it/fisheads.html

For Anna.......... :wink:

We just MUST get that photoshopped photo into the MSM some way.  It is more telling than a thousand words, etc.

If I can figure out a way to post it to Drudge report, I will.  He just has that little box to send tips.  I will send tip to email me for copies of the pictures.

Others please send to Nancy Grace, Hannity, etc. and see if we can't get this photo before the public and let them form their own opinion about Joran and what he is up to and his state of mind.

.

I told you way back a long time ago, the day would come when you'd hate her so.  I hear you whining but I told you back then.  I hear you complaining, tell her go to back to CNN.  I heard her lying a long time ago, I knew the time would come when she would get paid by Taco.

Great idea, Anna...Maybe NE would publish it on the cover of their rag  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Klaas, I'm looking for my Christmas avatar but can't find it? Can you spruce me up for the holidays???? TIA!!!!!!!

And, furthermore, why in the world is anyone now interviewing Joe Taco about anything to do with Natalee's disappearance?  He was Joran's lawyer in the NY civil suit.  That suit was dismissed.  It's over.  Is Joe Taco licensed to work in Aruba?  Is he defending Joran in the murder and kidnapping charges?  NO, we know he's not.  He is no more than a bystander and a bag of hot air now.  Anything he says is speculation, no more.  He needs to keep his mouth shut and let Joran's lawyer talk, if anyone talks.  Who is Joran's lawyer, by the way?

Watch BOR and tell him about the picture and the Taco connection.  He hates Greta and the feeling is mutual.

i think its GRETA  :twisted:

Who told me that Greta went to visit the Sloots without Beth and made the connection between the sloots and Joe Taco. :wink:

TYLER...

At what point do you think Greta began to "turn"? When she interviewed Joran, or earlier?

For that matter, do you think she has EVER REALLY been in Beth's corner at all?

Tacopina : Two-Faced Bullsh!t

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Red says: "Joe T.  Other people have seen the material too, BTW

What happened to the hotel video tape?
What happened to the hotel room key story?
Why did your client pay to fauxtoshop a picture with NH?
What did the original search warrant state?
Do you want to finally state for the record that the VDS premises was not searched?

Oh and by the way, come on Greta ... you got the info regarding pics and comments of JVDS last night and today. Why no questions?

Does it not fit your agenda?
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Red, this is "Front Page" material.

And monkeys should send copies to Greta's producers and Bill O'Reilly.

It's obvious to me that Tacopina demanded "equal time" to refrain from defamation lawsuit VS the network for all of the previous favorable HT coverage.  The lawyers told Greta to even it out, right or wrong.

Put it on the FP and e-mail it to the producers (forget Greta) -- let's hear what these losers have to say.

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hammer is RIGHT on the MONEY

GRETA'S  show should be

" On the TACO"

 :twisted:

I just saw your post directly above mine. Wow.  :shock:  

I understand what you are implying.

Exactly.

Didn't Greta turn on Beth when Beth went into the
internet cafw where Deepak works WITHOUT Greta ?

Don't know if she turned, but it was obvious she was put off a bit.

Greta is in Greta's corner, nothing more nothing less.  She plays one against the other.  It's all about ratings.

 :lol:

Klaas, I think it's more complicated than that. Cynicism I understand. Duplicity I do not.

If Greta set the VDS up with taco-boy, she is HARDLY a "fair and balanced" reporter of fact, she is an active agent in the case.

Oh and by the way Joe T. had also stated in the past that the VDS property was searched.

However, this afternoon he admitted that it was not.

Every sand in Aruba was searched according to Joe ... Yup Joe it was. Every sand except that of the VDS property and all residences. You know, the likely place where there may have been finger prints, DNA, etc.

One final question Joe ... you handling the Imette St Guillen case like this as well?

Let's just search Darly Littlejohn's bedroom ... the hell with the rest of the house and basement.

What do you say Joe T? Consistency baby. What's good for one case is good for the other don't ya think?

Yea .. there may be a post in all of this ...

A TALE OF TWO TACOPINA'S

Greta said several times she had met the Sloots and they were a LOVELY FAMILY.   :evil:  So I guess she did.

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taco-boy is representing something bigger than Joran. He is representing the iceberg that VDS is only the tip of.

Just to reminisce ... who can forget this masterpiece done by Vanderbilt?

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Joe Tacopina Meets “The No Spin Zone” and Crumbles

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/14/joe-tacopina-meets-the-no-spin-zone-and-crumbles/

And be sure to avoid any drains, under carpets and grain of wood, underneath screws and bolts, etc.  It's for darn sure none of that was done at the Sloots because there wasn't time for anything except a basic walk through.

Oh, they did go into the main house but just to pick up Anita's camera and the computer, etc. specific items.  No looking around, now!

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Yes, do remember Greta saying that more than once.

It does appear she believes that.

Either Greta cannot see bad in anyone or she's pretty much a dolt, or both.

my vote is DOLT

and evil one at that

But Tocapina insists Imette's mom Maureen St. Guillen isn't in it for the money, and says the family's main aim was to "pursue legislative change, so that Imette doesn't die in vain."

"It's our position that the owners [of the Falls] are certainly culpable," Tacopina said, without naming names. "They hired somebody who has a felony record and put a predator into the mix. Then they violated the law again when they didn't come clean with the police, and gave false and misleading statements," Tacopina added, referring to Daniel Dorrian. "That to me is an even bigger offense."


http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/powerplays/archives/002629.php

this is how joe see's it

You hit the nail on the head sb . Joe is simply networking.....he is insuring himself a possible wealth of clients in the future. Many of these clients likely from NY, or  FL  and with last names that end in "O" ?

Or she is cut from the same cloth as they are and doesn't want Joran to have his life disrupted any further by all of this.  After all, they are all such nice folks and it doesn't bring Natalee back to have Joran's life disrupted, too, does it??  

She is just as evil as those she defends, Carnut.

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We have to face the obvious where Joe Taco is concerned.  He is engaging in "lawyer's capitalism".  No matter what your client is guilty of, get him off and get your big payday.  Even if you have to out and out lie.  Make a name for yourself and get that big payday.  Greta is no better than Taco Boy.

Greta Tacopina

or

Greta Van der slooooooooooot


or maybe even

Greta Kalpoe  


 8)

Imette St Guillen Case

NYPD blowtorched the plumbing out of Littlejohn's home for forensic examination.  They ripped up the floorboards, tore out the walls and sheetrock.

Of course they confiscated all the linens and laundry, all the plumbing traps, all the clothing -- everything.  

NYPD knew this was the guy, and they were gonna nail him.  And they did.

What happened at 19 Montana?

Just askin'.

how do JOE and Greta sleep at night ????

i bet they see GHOSTS


 :shock:  :shock:


 :twisted:

 :shock:

 :shock:

Hi, all.

Guess deVries has rattled more cages, I see Taco is back.  Why on earth would we believe there was no meeting on the word of Paulus and Joran... two of the three biggest liars in Aruba!  We know paul told several conflicting stories in his PVs... Joran told ?how many? lies in his; Anita went on national tv swearing that the whole house was "tossed" three times.  Joe has told us about Joran, the honor student, just rrying to continue his education in NL, and how he was working there when we were seeing photos of him on Cool Aruba....

What a bunch!  I will not watch Greta, either.  Her attitude toward Beth last night showed no feeling whatsoever for what the family has gone through.  Her parting comments seemed almost condescending..."maybe someone can help your family".  

I just hope that deVries continues his investigation, and brings out a few more revelations.  It seems that the program has turned many heads in the NL.  That has to be a good thing.  Just wish there was some MSM here that would take up the cause, and keep this in the news.

Hey Memphis,

I've been looking over the Shango/Simian posts today.  Any chance Carlo was the "bird on the wire" that eventually flew away?

Well, this is not exactly right.  I doubt vowels have anything to do with it.  Imette & Joran's names end in consonants, so maybe I'm missing the point....and yes, I'm behind many pages, but this just raised the hair on the back of my neck a bit.  My Dad, I'm sure would back me, God love him in his present state.  

This should not be considered a support message for Joe T, by any means, btw....by no means, absolutely, not.  Just don't want a lot of good people who are not involved sucked into the pit.

BINGO

The similarities are just amazing in the two cases and Tacopina manages to take the exact opposite side in both cases.

So the family is not in it for the money? Are you Joe? Or is this case pro bono too?

While you are at it stating that De Vries is only in it for the money ... maybe Joe T. would like to tell everyone how much he was paid to be JVDS attorney and Aruba's continued mouth piece?

What say you Joe?

They starred at the front door from a distance.

To be honest with you all, I came closer to the inside of the VDS home than the ALE and the people who mattered.

Another case to think about ... Teresa Halback ... Murdered by Steve Avery at the Avery Salvage Yard.

Imagine if they only said search one shed ... no body, no car, etc would have ever been found.

When this article came out I sent that to Greta pointing out the same stuff in each case talk about the pot calling the kettle black

Cudos to Red and Klaasend for essentially keeping all this alive and providing DeVries with the support he needed and for continuing to provide a place for the real caring Dutch to read the truth.

Greta = Pussy Whipped

She has allowed the network's lawyers to direct her coverage of the NH case.

Tacopina was hired to defend the civil action AND to shut down the news reporting.  He did so by demanding "equal time" vs defamation suit threat for previous months of "favorable" HT Family coverage and sympathies.

That's what this is about --

Greta has no cajones (in more ways than one).  Both she and Fox have caved on this case because they are afraid of a lawsuit.

I say the Fox lawyers get paid to defend objective journalism.  Get off your lazy asses and do some lawyering -- and get the reporters in the field so they can INVESTIGATE cases.  Especially newsworthy cases like the abduction, rape and murder of an American teenaged girl in Aruba by Joran van der Sloot.

A crime that was covered up by Aruban authorities at the behest of joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.

If you can't do your job, then step aside.

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But, as someone already stated, Joe T. is not Joran's lawyer. The civil case was thrown out. He is obviously doing damage control for Joran in the US. Why?

Step back and look at this. Joe T. came out swinging. He really tryed to paint Beth in a certain unfavorable light. He's doing some serious damage control.

I'm back.  Did anyone miss me?  I feel better now, I am in the Christmas Spirit...maybe Rudolph will poop in the Sloots yard this year. :roll:

I didn't see this before I posted

Hammer says it better than me.

It's kinda obvious Joe T. is functioning as a media defense for the entire aruban Dutch establishment.

Rudolph should have a sleigh full of poop to unload...wish it was on dvd, Lala's.  

Guess I might not be the one to say so, but I have to say that blanket statements regarding the final vowel in one's name does not sit well, here.  My Dad taught me that, and he taught me well.

I can't believe I am spending my second Christmas with you guys.  I love you all, but I would be happier if Natalee was home with her family.

Hey Monkeys...
Just making a post & go ... Kinda

Still trying to get my mind straight for  civil participation...

I probably should not say this (SM mg mt. please feel  free to delete)
I recently managed to shock myself on the typical 12 volt ignition / spark plug system.. of my car (dumb I know)

But it also brought back  a memory of being shocked by a 24 volt aircraft ignition system.   The sock from the 24 volt system knocked me flat for several minutes the sensation was not a pleasant at all.

For those that  have never experienced being shocked by your automobiles  spark plug / coil wires... or even your lawn mower.. all I can say is  IT normally very short and NOT a nice feeling.

I do apologize for my rant .. and do NOT advocate shock treatment on  anyone for any reason...
BUT... sometimes my mind does not want to listen to my  heart or hearts

Sorry again for the rant

Keep the faith
SeeeeYaaaBYeeee
Oldf

truthseeker! Hi!  :D

I meant to say hi at the end of my other post.

That is very interesting. Run that past Lala's.  :lol:

Heh, heh, just watching the end of 'Apocalypse Now Redux' and caught Col Kurtz final writings in his bible.

'Drop The Bomb, Exterminate them All!'.

Sorry you got shocked Oldfart...and I think I get your drift  :wink:

Do we know exactly when Carlo got spooked about his meeting with Janssen?

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

As  Blah said earlier, the case would be solved in a couple of hrs if the FBI were allowed to interrogate the 3 perps.

I am not sure what you are thinking I had said. So rather than beat around the bush I will say that what I meant was since Taco Joe seems to have a penchant for glitzy, high-profile , cases  ( Joe T  is the lawyer of record  for the Gotti family)and now as lawyer for the JVDS( his family have rumored   mafia connections in Aruba ) Joe T is furthering his reputation as a  lawyer  who has experience in defending  cases involving mafia and underworld  type.  This is the" tip of the iceberg the VDS represent as sb aptly put it. "
Please relaxe the hairs on the back of your neck ........but yes many of those involved in underworld organizations are Italian, and also Russian, and also Venezuelan, etc

 :oops:  yes it is

It certainly gets obvious when one rattles the cages and hits close to home. Out comes a stuttering Tacopina live from Italy. Wonder if Joe's fee goes up on a time zone contingency?

Who should be angry? All the level headed Dutch people who watch and follow Peter de Vries and have always considered him respectful and professional.

Kind of funny Tacopina sputtering that de Vries could be sued for libel when it was Tacopina calling all the names and making desparaging accusations.

BTW Joe ... Carlo can sue de Vries if he choses, they are both part of the Dutch Kingdom.

The answer is that he won't ... wonder why? Maybe because what de Vries said was the truth?

So why didn't we hear the statement from Carlo rather than Joe that it was a lie. maybe because Joe has absolutely no standing what-so-ever in this case ... ya think?

Shall we dance?  :D

I can't get the FP to load. Is it just me?
Hello monkeys. Great job on covering the program Sunday.
Gotta go read back while I watch the Laker game :wink:
Oh and in case you were wondering, I am going crazy over this whole Mike Shula thing. I don't have any hair left :evil:

Maybe DeVries will come on Dana's show and we can ask him about all this stuff.

It loads OK for me.

What is fob?  Or can you say on here?  I think a very dark and twisted mind came up with that photoshoped picture.  Joran lives in a dark world I would not care to visit.

It's gonna be okay...deep breath now... :wink:

Could Carlo be Shango or Simian trying to ease his conscience?  Now that would really be something!

Shango posted sometime around June 25 thru June 30.  I think Simian posted from June 17 thru June 30.  Does that sound right?

I'm trying to focus on the Bball team.  They are 5-0!! :D

I just tried the FP again and it said page not found.  :?

About Shango... I would tend to think that Carlo knew early on about Joran.  Maybe he was shocked at what really happened and he just couldn't keep the secret any longer.  Usually the conscience feels guilt early in the process and after some time the guilt fades into the background.  Then it doesn't seem to hurt as much...especially after you are paid a large sum of money to keep your mouth shut...not that I am saying that happened...just thinking out loud.

Hi jobie. Freedom of Blog.

FOB - Freedom of Blog a forum full of Joran worshipers and apologists.

Remember the undies that had each day of the week embrodied on them?  I was so afraid of being in a wreck on Sat. and going to the hospital with Wed. on my drawers.  The thing nightmares are made of.

Could Jansen be leaking this contact by Joran's attorney knowing such contact is illegal in order to get the case thrown out on the basis of inadequate counsel for Joran/

Was No Body/No Case originally from KJ to Paulus since she has tried one such case before in the NL?  Did he consult her or was she in attendance at the infamous meeting around the Sloot pool?

I have just always wondered those things.

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Thanks, Klaas

truthseeker, that same thought crossed my mind.

Carnut

If John Doe was allowed to ask & record ?'s  in the 1st 48 hrs things we would NOT be here.
Do you happen to know what the average voltage output of 12v ignition coil is and how it compares to a tasser/tazzer ? Just wondering...
 :wink:

Hi Memphis - thanks

Like minds I guess.  Or, maybe it's the warm weather we are having around here.

I wonder if De Vries even knows what Joe T. called him today?  Maybe someone should let him know.  :wink:

Lala's - you look adorable and so does Klaas.

OldFart - I didn't get the cryptic message, and I like cryptic. I must be tired.

truthseeker - I'll leave you and Lala's to do the Shango Tango.


Nite everyone.

I'm headed to bed myself.  I want to be fully alert for my work and lurk mode tomorrow.

'Nite.

That's wild, Anna.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Feel free to borrow these at any time!


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and (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/names%20and%20words/footsteps.gif)  SO.... (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/names%20and%20words/runjoran.gif)

I''m still thinking on one for Joe T, any suggestions?

LaLa's
I luv the new Avatar ... but will Klassend be called upon (again) to ENHANCE &  find out what is being wrtten on that list  OR are you going to inform us (running update of course) :wink:  
OR is it a Chistmas List or just a Holliday scribe of yours :shock:  :roll:
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SYB

How about "I only get an oil change every 30,000 words"?

too funny truthseeker, if I can fit it onto the generator you got it !  :lol:

Ask {b]Klaas [/b] she'll know  :wink:

And the opposite end!

I think she wanted a story but knowing her politics, I am surprised she even stuck with Beth that long.  She is not one to stroke the truth.  I was so pleasantly surprised that she was helping Beth and then she did not shock me when she turned against Beth.  She likes to deal with people who admire her, who are losers,  who she can turn into winners, which fits with her agenda.  She pretends not to be a capitalist, like Joe, but they (those who embrace socialism) are the biggest and baddest capitalists of them all, and not necessarily entrepreneurs but as I like to say, "capitalist pigs" and not necessarily good old American capitalists.

Well, I have done the dance on occasion myself.

Heck auto coils will run from 25,000 volts to 50,000 volts for super hot competition coils.

I've jumped to both kinds.

As Ralphy got a certain appreciation for various soap bars, I've enjoyed a variety of automotive ignitions.

I've seen stun gun ads of 625,000 to 775,000 volts.

Favorite electrician joke:

It's not the volts that get you, it's the amps. ;)

 8)  8)  8)

How 'bout, " TOO BIG TO FLUSH!"?

Hi everybody! I Just got home.........do I need to go catch up? Last update I had was a brief ( Thank God ) appearance on Fox by Tacky about 1:00 this afternoon.

Ooops :oops:
Forgot this link to to a Windows play list that sometimes helps me keep my hear of heat on top of things & why I want to come back here

http://www.erickaharvey.com/playlist.wpl

Paste the address in Windows Medial Player -- Open URL -- option  address
JMO of course

G'NIte for sure
SYB
OldF

ROFLMAO!

Are you worried that your name could be on MY list?  :roll:

No, I agree Maureen is not in it for the money; Joe is in it to take her money.

AZLady, I remember going on vacation as a teenager, and taking everything I owned, and maybe even a cashmere sweater or two in case I met someone who wanted me to stay for the winter (at the beach, LOLOLOL).

Klaas,
Did you see the second photo on this short film clip by deVries?  Can you capture it as well?  It is more "chummy" than the first one.  I didn't realize there were two of them.   :shock:

http://tinyurl.com/y2kvzx

I don't know how to capture a still from within a video.

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Taco Joe has mad all us monkeys mad, but I think the real rage is directed in Greta's direction at the moment.

It is NOT a Joke   ... AMPS kill not volts

Dad had a transformer from a Neon sign that would shoot a spark 3"
and if hooked to a pencil would do wood carvings/burnigs..
It was prodcuing something like 5 amps..
Rattle fillings & burn but not a heart stopper ~~  Normally
SYB

I KNOW I am... but not sure which side of the LIST  :wink:  :roll:
SYB

Hi Nonesy.  Winkies to you.  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

Thank you for responding, Lala's! So, the case was covered on Greta tonight, I assume? I'll catch the repeat. Is that all the "food" for rage there is since this afternoon? TIA!  :wink:

Hell, let's just call a spade, a spade.  He is connected to Posner.  Greta is not going to buck that.

BTW, Lala's.............I LUV the avatar! It's cute and cuddly!
Good thinking too! Check that list carefully before Santa checks it twice to find out who's naughty and nice!

Go Tylergal!!!!!!!  Yep, he's connected...

winkies to my lala's  :wink:  :wink: (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/heartshape2.gif)

Making a list...checking it twice...gonna find out which monkeys are nice...

Let's see here...Nonesy on the "good" side of my list... :wink:

Just send me the copy of who's naughty.

I have no idea the background of this conversation, but Tacky's a Goomba. Doesn't he just look like he's only missing the big gold chains and blingy pinkie ring???

Sure thing, Carnut!

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KING OF BLING another sign to make  :lol:

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Yea can't wait for that....Joe T to start shootin' the signs....

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Time for me to turn in for the night.  Hugs to Nemo and Spooky, get the lights when you leave.

Yep, making a list... :wink:

howdy all.. popping in to hug NEMO for Lalas so she dont fire me and Santa dont leave me extra lumps of coal..  :wink:
 Have a good night all. been lurking off and on..  sighhh

Here Angie

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  ROFL sistah!!  :) :)  I gotta save that one!! ha ha
Got your email.. will repsond in the AM.. TY.. :wink:
 I love yah!!   BIG winks to you!!

The derogatory blanket statements against Italians is offensive to me, most obviously, but it seems it does not bother most.......and I noticed no one backed me.  That's fine.  I'm a big girl...

Good night.  I know there is a better world out there.

I have others too Angie  :wink:  :lol:

Off to bed with me too, very late here and we have a cookie photo shoot tomorrow  :P

Night all !

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  Awesome!!  Send me the photos!! Cant wait to see what you have done sweety!!  :)    Night everyone!!  :)  weet dreams and  Justice for Natalee!!

OMG  SWEET dreams not wet ones..    (I know my face is red as a beet here at home)  oops

Greta repeats on the case after commercial for anyone ( like me) who missed it.

2NJSons_Mom-

I can't address every statement made for honestly I didn't focus on that aspect, I regret if I offended you ever, I would never wish to.

I guess I have simply developed a thick skin after over a year of Aruban and RU insults regarding the south and we hillbillies. So I do hope you will overlook our faux pas and see it as the anger against a lawyer with no ethics only for his clients alone but moreso greed, regardless of his ethnicity or his nationality.

Greta and Joe in bed together! Now there is a mental image I didn't need tonight, Sir IndyDan. ( gag * wretch ) :)

LOL

I got two Bennies that says Joe likes it on top!

2nJMom, sorry.  I do not think any of that was directed at you, and I sure did not mean it if I neglected to defend you. I apologize.  I do not believe my insinuation that Posner, Greta and Taco might be all connected was an Italian thing, but a group of people who shares commonness, not ethnicity.  There is so much good in the worst of us and so much bad in the best of us, and sometimes we are bad, but I don't think being Dutch or Italian, Irish or French makes someone bad, just what is in their heart, or not in it.

Anna - sorry to take so long.  I was researching something and just saw your message:

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That's what Joran was wearing at the casino that night - white T-shirt.
Wouldn't someone notice that in the two pictures - Natalee is dressed the same but Joran changes clothes?

Uh-huh. What she said. I have a major problem with Tacky, but expanding that to Italians is a leap I don't understand. Honestly, until you pointed it out, I'd never even thought about him being Italian. I always thought of him as being from a Las Vegas Casino.

 

 Hey 2NJ. I missed somethig it seems.  :(  Been bouncing around reading. half brain dead as it is from work!
  You be my piezon sweety! San and others.. heck I think  REd even knows what that is!!  MRS? Did you ever make Red that recipe in the cookbook I posted.. The Italian pie??
  Sorry 2N if you felt offended by something. I dont know what it was.. and honestly too tired to go bak to look?  Love yah sweety.. keep your chin up.

I didn't take it as a blanket statement against Italians, more a statement against mob characters like Posner.  I could be wrong. I'm very sorry you were offended. Please try not to take it to heart, I'm sure it wasn't meant to hurt you.

I still believe the male seated behind her in the picture is Tater Headed Joran.

Memphis - this is for you if you are still around tonight  :lol:

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  ROFL  too cute Klaas!!  
 Ok. my arse gotta get ot bed now.. Night! :)

Yes.  Same tshirt bunched up around the neck and the body slouched forward.   Just sitting behind the girls, listening, trying to casually make contact.

HOW CUTE!!!!! Memphis, Klaas has you all gussied up for Christmas! I think there's mistletoe in there and it makes me want to kiss that 'lil noggin!  :lol:

And I seem to recall a few negative statements directed at the Dutch but unless they say they mean ME, ANNA, I just don't take it personally.  In fact there were a few today that were pretty vile.  But it is people just venting.

Sorry NJMom that you are offended.  We wouldn't dare mean all Italians.  San would shoot us!   :D Just kidding!!  But the Dutch take it on the chin just about every day.  OK by me as long as it is not directed at me or mine.

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Well, this one to me is even more shocking!  He is touching her!  Why has this not been on the news all day, too?  Did Joran only order and plan to use the other one for whatever nefarious purposes he has??

Well, Anna, we are quick to forget that being American means we could be from anywhere.  Yes, I have those half-Dutch children, but when they are bad, I know they are much Dutch than Brit!  I tell them that, too. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   I say, "You are just like your daddy."  I never call him "Tater Head" to his face, however.

I scrolled past the post but caught the word goomba.  Is that the one?
So I looked it up to see exactly what it meant:
Goomba: Italian word for Godfather, Implying mafia connections.

2nJSons - Something offends me on a daily basis here, but I get up and walk away for awhile. That's why I didn't jump in; I was working on those 4,000 deep breaths I occasionally recommend.

Mantra: It's not about me. It's not supposed to be about prejudice and politics. It's supposed to be about Natalee Holloway.

Everytime I see Natalee in that picture, it just strikes me that she does not look happy and bubbly as she does in most all of her other pictures. There's a reason he chose that pose to impose himself in.

Anna,

I bet you this photo will be all of de Vries Holloway show number 2!

Ya think?

You can always say

We may not be much
But we're better than the Dutch

as some have been known to say.  I have those half Hispanic children, too, but I don't think they care if I say that they are just like their daddy.  They just remind me I also told them they were special, etc. and laugh.

But I am an American first, last and always.

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I meant to say ALL OVER not all of.

In the photoshop "friendly" picture, I do not see the earrings that were very noticable in the original.  They have been blended into Natalee's hair.  Maybe a Pychiatrist (sp) should analyse these two pictures.

I like that thought, Carpe!  No, had not thought of that but I hope you are right.  Or Episode 3 out of 5??

Thanks, bet you are right about that.

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Guess it started with the post about names ending in 'O', and it escalated from there.  Can't help myself, cuz, I'm my Dad's 1st daughter and was raised very well.  Love him and know how blanket comments affected him when his mind was in full tilt.  Can't teach an old dog new tricks is another thing I learned along the way.  

Should say good night and hope tomorrow brings many good things for Natalee's family and for all who check in here.  

My maiden name ends with an 'A' by the way, and have relations with 'I', 'O', 'E' and probably 'U'.... :wink:

Klaas,

ya ever notice it looks like he has gas in every picture?

he's always puffin up and got this big dumb ass BABY HUEY grin on his face.

Not that I know a thing about the law (here, much less Dutch) - but I think there are serious legal issues about that photo. I think this is the one "Daniel" is concerned about. It implies more than the other one.

Is that what it means??  :shock:

Well, I used the word, and if intent means anything, I had always thought the word was slang for a "Mafia wanna be". You know, kinda like the Barney Fife of the "little dab will do ya'" suavy crew that is always around to hit on you in Vegas.

I truly apologize if I caused anyone to take offense. Tacky just looks oily to me, and my intention was aimed at him and him alone.

You are absolutely right...I just let the teacher in me want to enlighten and it was not the venue.  You do more than I can imagine.  Thank you.

I think for some people, the only acceptable vowel ending is "e".  :wink:

I hope you will be with us tomorrow and we love you, Italian Jersey Mom, and ask your forgiveness for unintended comments that we may have made or acknowledged, etc.  Tell your dad we all apologize.  He will hear you, I bet he will and he will know it is with love whatever it is.  They still understand "love."

2NJSons_Mom:  Sorry you were offended and I cannot speak for the poster but I think s/he was implying "mob" connections and wasn't making reference to all Italians.

I went to the Front Page and looked again.  You are correct that the earrings are definitely subdued in the faux photo.  In fact, Natalee looks sort of blurry and sepia toned almost and Joran is very bright white and shining.

But it is odd the earrings were made to blend.  I still see the bracelet is just fine.

.

Carpe - lol  :lol:

FYI - I was once married to an Italian, as a matter of fact, my son is 1/2 Italian and his last name does end with an "e".

I think all of that is due to the fact we are taking poor screen shots off of a video.

I think the earrings are more visible in the video than in the screen shots.

LOL, look at this
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q173/freechop/JJ.jpg)
its not mine....LOL

Here's another screen shot I took off the video:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/PhotoshopPic2.jpg)

If Joran paid for this 2nd picture he was ripped off.  It obviously an altered photo.

Hey Monkeys....just peeking in!

Now that is a big woman, long in the teeth, too.

 :wink:

 (http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/JoranPhotoshop2.jpg)

Leslie, I know that, but the 'O' reference made me think of Dad...and that''s it in a nut shell.  Sometimes there's no turning back.  I see it, now, but an hour ago I was flaming.   When I was younger, Dad used to be offended by mob references to Italians, because he was a good, upstanding citizen.  My reflex was to defend his name.  If you look at it with different eyes, it can be taken different ways.  It's common for many, I am quite sure.  

Thank you for all you do, here.  

Thanks, to everyone else, as well....

See ya in the AM, some time...

Re: Joran friendly pic - doesn't Natalee's nose and mouth look different from the original picture?  Those earrings are VERY subdued. The length of the hair is lopsided.  Certainly not a KLAAS act.

ROTF!!!!

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

 :lol:

Natalee looks so small and so defenseless against that big boxhead.

You can speak for me anytime, because you are right! 2NJ, again, I apologize and can honestly plead for forgiveness and plead ignorance! "Italians" never entered my mind!
BTW, my last name ends in a vowel and I am from the South. I take the "barefoot and room temperature IQ" comments with laughter as long as I know the motive wasn't to defame. Trust me, my motives for using the term "Goomba" were aimed exclusively at JoeT.

I'm going to turn in, but hope that you will sleep knowing that, at least this poster, had no ill will toward any nationality tonight and if I mis-spoke and caused you any stress at all, I sincerely am sorry.

It was always my belief the shoe had Natalee's blood on it where he kicked her in the head.  In fact, my secret writer from Aruba had told me that back in June.  I wonder if he/she is still breathing, and never did find out who he was .

yes, leslie

I picked up on that! They definitely did something with the color
on Natalees face that does not look natural in that mock pic.

Again, never underestimate the stupidity of those involved.

CBB, I don't think you ever would intentionally hurt anyone's feelings, especially another monkey.  We all say things in our wrath that has been escalated by those who support Joran of the Ditch.  There I said it, "Joran of the Ditch."

Oh Well....I am going to hit the monkey bunkey.....see you tomorrow.

Heh, heh, actually I think the original pic of her in that pose is just adorable.

To each his own I guess.

If Dilbert paid 200 E for it, he got ripped off!


 I have a neighbor who has a 12 year old that does better work than that fake Natalee / Joran picture.

Well, 2NJ, I'm just an American, don't much care where any of my ancesters hail from.

At some time Monday night during Greta's program (I think it was), there was a small picture of Natalee with her hair done up on her head, she was smiling and had on her little black dance costume with the gold sequins at the neck and she looked like a princess.  Just gorgeous and it made me feel like (whoever said it here last night), just going back and stopping things from happening, being able to turn back the clock and protect her.  It was such a realistic picture of a beautiful, bright and smiling princess.

I really think it's an artifact of the process and not intentional.

The two faux pictures look like the evolution of Joran and Natalee's relationship thru Joran's eyes - the happy beginning and the unhappy ending.

I still think they were supposed to be a setup to saying that Nat was still around and celebrating with dear ole sporter.

I wonder who used the "slave" word, Natalee or Joran.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Kees2.jpg

Again ya just can't overestimate the stupidity of those creating JVDS alibis and statements.

 :shock: Well, I never had any doubt but this is a bit much.

The photos are no more stupid than the Letter Paulus pretended to receive where Natalee is alive and well living with somebody named David, etc.

THey are both equally stupid, imo.

I do wonder how Joe T. can say all the things he does about the case with a straight face, but I guess that's how he makes the big bucks.

I think Joran was trying to make the Kalpoe brothers hate Natalee and knew that they were sensitive about their non-Dutch heritage, so he invented the entire "slave" conversation.  Notice that he cannot pinpoint when Natalee spoke those words while driving around in the car with the music LOUD.  There could not have been too much quiet conversation if Deepak had to turn his car radio down to "9" in front of the Holiday Inn.
That might have been a question Greta could have asked; When Natalee made the shocking "slave" remark, where were you?"

I know they didn't go to the Holiday Inn, but the part about the music being loud seems like the truth.

G'nite Klaas

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Tylergal...


most def. Joran! imho

1,000 percent

it is in his actions, it is in his words.

Yeah, but I suspicion that Nat wasn't even in a condition to be able to even make small talk once they stepped away from CnC's front steps.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/peeweeinderHOWZE.png)

Yep I saw that. Stupid racist idiots.
You know I stopped watching Greta a LONG time ago but glad to know she is still showing her true colors. Ratings whore doesn't even come close to what she is.
J2K you are going DOWN!!!!!!! This WILL be solved.

I think the only thing on Joran's mind was sex, so I doubt there was any conversation after they got into the car.

I also think that Joran took Natalee back to his apt. so that Paul could watch thru the window.   I think Paul and Joran had a bet whether Joran could bring home the blonde girl that Papa liked so much.  Watching porn is one thing but being a voyeur is much more fun.  Since we know that Joran - most likely - had no homework assignment that had to be finished for school on Monday, I wonder what the 15 minute delay at the VDS compound was all about.  
It is all about distancing Paul from Natalee.

I do hope someone can explain to DeVries that Nat didn't have the money with her to buy drugs or cocaine.

So the testimony of any such possession or use should be checked for it's veracity.

And yes I do hope the faux pics get alot of MSM play with the correct attributions as to their creation.

Thanks gang - I knew when I asked the answer was going to be a simple one, so simple I feel sorta silly asking now.  Thanks again.

OR BECAUSE PAULUS AND JORAN DENIED IT????

:shock:

HERE'S YOUR SIGN. - Jeff Foxworthy

Dilbert was getting messages funneled through to him from PVDS,
by way of Antonio Carlo by way of Anita VDS.  (in KIA)

Discussing the case and investigation
was off limits...with prison visits...
but I bet you that is was done
anyway.

Long message short? Shut your effin cakewhole. So Popsie Wopsie could be out in as little as 2 days.

 -Read-

There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

- that he would receive a message from his father's lawyer when he should make statements;

- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

>> CAKEHOLE

im almost full blooded italian


makes no difference to me..... there are good ones and bad ones

just like everything else


i hate gangsters, crooks and liars


born italian, will die an american


simple as that  8)  8)  8)

Paulus and Anita and their longtime friends ( who are lawyers)

Had their own little communication network going?


CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? Pass it on to the 'Sporter'

Exactly.

FOX - GRETA ON THE RECORD
Thursday, June 23, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/czdyw
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VAN SUSTEREN: So how do you get through the days? I mean, can you see your son?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. The first days, when he was at the police office, I could go in sometimes in the morning, see him for five or ten minutes, sometimes at night, and I could hold him. I couldn't talk about the case or anything, just about love from this and this person, friends from Holland called, people who wrote e-mails. So I spoke with him about these things and just told him to stay strong and to tell the truth.

--------

Ooooooh Anita, you little fibbing a$$ bucket. :(

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

Yeah right, Anita,

Couldn't say a word about the case ... except for
the brief time you told him to ZIP UP his mouth
and wait for Mr. Antonio Carlo to give J
the green light.

So that way J  doesn't say anything damaging to about P..

(save your dad's bacon?)

(and Joran's bacon, as well.)

That is JUST

N-U-T-Z.


Unbelievable!

 :?:

From Amigoe:

A permit is required for businesses that want <to> let off fireworks
on or along public roads.  This permit must be requested at the mayor’s secretariat no later than December 1st.  
--
So, where in Aruba, does one display the permit for fireworks on public roads? The lamp-posts?  Isn't it common to have fireworks displays after the sun goes down?  Do they have a special street sign that says Caution Fireworks Ahead?.   It doesn't sound smart to me.

Jorannnnnn, that was your momma at the door....
she said she and daddy love you...
and don't forget to...

S.T.F.U.

Quick Links:

Joran ALE Statement 6/24/2005

http://tinyurl.com/czdyw



FOX - GRETA ON THE RECORD
Thursday, June 23, 2005

http://tinyurl.com/czdyw

What a lying crab apple!

FOX - ANITA - GRETA 6/23/2005

cont'd

And yesterday, he got transported to the Kia, the correction institute, Kia — that's how we call the prison here — and I could visit him a little bit longer. My husband, Paul, gets no access to him at all, and they refuse his lawyer to get any access to him during interrogation. He could tell me a little bit about his interrogations that were really, really tough. A lot of pressure on him, extreme pressure.

-more-

VAN SUSTEREN: When you meet with him, do you have a time limit?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I have a time limit, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And who's present?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: With somebody, some of the officers is there, or the guards. And if I talk about the case, I can leave.

If you are feeling that any statement I may have made was targeting a particular ethnic group you are wrong. That was not my intent, I was writing about  the "tip of the iceberg" with regards to Taco Joe's choice of high profile
clients and his future client base. Don't see this as an issue to take sides on, I am sure you don't need "backing"?  Sorry if I offended you , 1/2 of my relatives are members of the ethnic community you are feeling I have singled out, so please be assured I was not commenting on Italians inparticular if that is what you feel.

" that according to his lawyer, if he (Joran) would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days; "
" that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble"
--
Shut up and Papa goes free?  Talk and/or make statements and Papa gets into trouble?  It hurts my head to read such nonsense.

My bum link from above

for Joran's 6/24/2005 statement

sorry!

http://tinyurl.com/yd3jt7

OK you win, I quit.

Doesn't this speak volumes?   OK - if they were so innocent, wrongly accused, what in the world could Joran say that would be damaging to Paulus?  Give me a break.  They all make me want to puke.  

And since when should a suspect be able to make conditions that would allow another suspect to go free?  Oh - I forgot, we don't know their system.

BTW - Good morning monkeys.... Working and lurking... and going back to catch up.

He was so totally communicating with his mother, his father,
and the lawyers... that it's PATHETIC.

His mother is a liar too!

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more-

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6/24/2005 Joran ALE Statement

- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators

- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence

- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present

- that he wouldn't come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her

- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so

- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.

The reporting officers,

S.A. TROMP M.A.G. RAS

Carpe ~ that should be pointed out to De Vries.

I hope we are not depending on him too much, but seems there are a shortage of good-guys in this tragedy.

Morning Kimmie.

Morning bleachedblack.

Thursday, June 23, 2005- On the Record
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: So I spoke with him (Joran) about these things and just told him to stay strong and to tell the truth.
--
On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours,
There we, the reporting officers, were informed the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us...  that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements.

Hey! You got something against Nuts?

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, KIMMY!


It makes me want to upchuck too.

He Mr. De Vries, I hope you are checking this out!!! What
kind of a legal system lets a 17 SNOT NOSED piece
of buffalo stuff gets to DECIDE when and where
interrogations take place?

A.L.E. must be OUTTA their MINDS.

Justice 4 Natalee!

From today's Amigoe:

ORANJESTAD – From documents that Amigoe has received it appears that Aruba has requested the Court of First Instance to attach the proceeds from sale of the buildings in which the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino is established.  This is an amount of 420 million florins.  

The buildings were sold for 237 million dollars last week to a Caribbean investor in real estate.  The petition is dated November 24th, but has been submitted before that date, because it mentions the urgent reason for the sale of the buildings.

In the petition is stated that there is a dispute between the Aruban and Dutch government about the division of the proceeds.  The shares of the owners of the Marriott hotel, Plant NV are in hands of the Dutch Participation company for the Neth.Antilles (NPMNA) that is being managed by the Dutch Investment Bank.  Aruba says that the NPMNA has only received the shares temporarily, as guaranty for a Dutch loan of 55 million dollars.  

At that time, the government was in urgent need of money due to unfinished hotel constructions and hotel guarantees that were concluded in the eighties and had asked the Netherlands for financial support in accordance with the Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  The then minister for Aruban and Antillean Affairs Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) loaned Aruba 55 million dollars via NPMNA under the condition that the shares are placed with NPMNA.    This is the reason for the dispute now.  

 <snip - more at http://www.amigoe.com/english/ >

I'm signing off...

I'm tired, and my typing shows it!!!!  


Catch ya later, my fellow Monkeys.

  :oops:

Ah, the ALE knows what side their bread is buttered on.

oooo Klaas!!!  I love, love love it!  :D  :D

You are so sweet.

I'm gonna go change into my new clothes now. BRB

Is it today or tomorrow that the Antillies Justice system will be having their regularly scheduled 'flat tire'?

November 29, 2006 -- A Dutch reporter investigating the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba claims a lawyer representing the first suspect in the case once paid a visit to the lead prosecutor "to clear his conscience."

At the meeting, lawyer Antonio Carlo allegedly told prosecutor Karin Janssen that he knew Joran van der Sloot played a role in the teen's disappearance, but that it was up to the police to "get the full proof," Peter de Vries told Greta von Susteren Monday on Fox News' "On the Record."


When Janssen wrote to Carlo asking for more details, she got a letter back from the "scared" attorney saying "you misunderstood me," de Vries said.


Van der Sloot's current attorney, Joseph Tacopina, yesterday dismissed de Vries' report as "utter bull- - - -. He's trying to cash in on the tragedy to publicize a documentary he made in Holland."

I think it's the 30th.

'morning everyone!

How do I look in my new outfit?  :D

Thank you Klaas!!  :wink:

I'll be back this evening - must make some money.

U Look adorable...

This is the kind of pressure Joran experienced in jail:

Joran would you like butter or jelly with your toast. :evil:

How can the Kalpoe brothers be released as suspects when the Dutch
team hasn't finished their investigation?  I thought that suspects in criminal cases in Aruba, remained as such for two years after their arrest.
Under what special circumstances do the Kalpoe's expect they have a chance that the court will rule in their favour?  The only correct judgment is to deny the motion.

I agree with you Leslie but have we seen anything that is normal in this case.  Aruba wants to close the case and they don't seem to care about the laws.  I think there are a lot of people on edge in Aruba and it all stems from the corruption and coverup in the case.  Whether it is two years or tomorrow the Kalpoes will be released no matter what.

Me too, Lala's, me too.

It's been a year since the doctor told me I have ovarian cancer.  Time has zoomed by for me.  It breaks my heart to think of Natalee's family being without her.

HI Monkeys....

Haven't been in for a while, just reading back and checking out what's happening...


Red is 1/2 Italian - not that there's anything wrong with that... :lol:  :lol:

I do read when I can, but work right now is killing me...

and Lala's - Other than the fact that Natalee hasn't found justice, I am glad that we are all still here for anohter Christmas... as 3rd would say, nothing but love for all y'all... (well he doesn't say all y'all ) but you get the point...

I hope in the future that we help another family  - or do our best too... sometimes the most help is the support we can give to them and each other.....

Please use the Amazon button for your Christmas shopping and support SM... it does make a difference....

and even though I said I wasn't going to, I am going to ask everyone for their prayers for my dad who is very, very ill  - so when you don't see me, just know I do read, I just don't always feel like talking...


and one last thing...

KEEP THE FAITH...

Boy, that's the truth...she DOES belong at Clinton News Network; And Joey T.'s pretended empathy for Natalee's family is nauseating. Also, his arguments are never convincing. They both get failing grades.

Hiya memphis - love the festive "do"

mrs. red - I am so sorry to hear about your dad. Are you near him (geographically - that makes it a little easier) ? Remember to take care of yourself too.

Good questions, Red.  I am completely disgusted with Greta and the path she obviously has chosen to take. What a sell-out.

It's the background music that bothers me....

"stayin' alive, stayin' alive"

DITTO!

From today's Gretawire:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232357,00.html

As for the continuing story about Natalee Holloway, I wish the latest news about the Dutch TV show meant that we are closer to learning what happened to Natalee. I don't think it does, but this is one of those many times I would love to be wrong. I speak frequently to her mother and the pain is immeasurable. I often get e-mails from viewers critical of Beth and I don't understand. You can disagree with her, you can think she is on the wrong track, but would you do anything different? Would you not push as hard as you can to find out what happened to your child? I admire Beth and we have frank discussions about the investigation. As you might imagine, it is not easy for Beth when I might have a different view about the investigation. Of course we both — and likewise others — have the same goal: to get answers. She deserves answers. That is basic human decency. It is deplorable the way this investigation has been handled (bungled?) in Aruba. It is cruel that the authorities in Aruba don't talk to her and give her real information, whatever that may be. She can handle the truth... I don't buy the excuse that Dutch law does not permit them to talk to her. There are ways to talk to families without jeopardizing the investigation or violating the law. And yes, it is possible it will still get solved... all that is needed is loose lips.

I speak often to other parents with missing children and I wish our show could help them. I am not sure what we can do to help any of them. I do think some publicity for them is good — it puts pictures of the children out there in case someone has seen the child and, in some instances, helps encourage the police to put the matter on the front burner. Our police are overburdened in many communities and the 'squeaky wheel' has some effect... but, of course, that means at the expense of another investigation.

I get e-mails from viewers daily about stories we have covered and viewers want updates — so do we. We check daily on the stories hoping for updates and will bring them to you when we get them. If we don't talk about it on the show chances are there is nothing new in the investigation.

As for last night's show, we had a surprise: Carl Cameron was supposed to be in our last segment. At 10:48 (I looked up at the clock), my line producer in NYC said we did not have Carl. I asked during the break where he was and was told he was on an airplane on a runway. I think this is going to be Carl's life for the next two years. As for us, what did we do? We scrambled — FOX pays us to 11 p.m., not 10:48!

E-mail No. 3 — This next viewer forgot to put his/her name on the e-mail:

[As] usual you spineless gutless coward you put on Taco Joe. How stupid of a bimbo are you? I think you stupidity knows no bounds? If the Van der Sloots or Kalpoes want air time on American TV, let them call in. I'm sure the bozos you work for will pickup the charges. Otherwise they get no airtime

Sorry to hear about your dad, Mrs. Red.  I always include "online friends" in my prayers - generally and specifically.  I figure He knows who you are and what you all need.  But I'll put in a special one for your dad.

Excellent!

klaas - thanks for passing along the gretawire. Love that email #3!

Re: The possibility, discussed on FOB, that the drug witness PV was from one of the MB kids statements given to ALE in January.  I've noticed something that makes this pretty unlikely:

The portion displayed on the program was written from the viewpoint of the witness ("Natalee asked me...").  I have checked with someone who was present during one of the January interviews, and the student being interviewed was not asked to sign any statement at the end, in fact no notes were taken duing the interview at all.  So unless it were an actual tscript, a PV made from such a statement and signed by the investigating officer, would probably have have been written from the investigator's viewpoint ("_____ stated that Natalee asked her...").

There were only 3 emails and the first 2 had nothing to do with this case.  I was glad to see Greta defending Beth.

That one is far more vicious & libelous than the other "blue shirt" one.

He has even changed out the left-hand background, as well. Unreal.

 :lol: I have quarter-Dutch children but stress their maternal Scottish & Brit genes.  :lol: Actally, "Tater-Head" aptly describes former mother-in-law. :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Mrs. Red I am so sorry to hear about your dad.  I will keep him and you and your family in my prayers.  Hang in there girl!  ((((hugs))))

Your work is excellent and when you summarize, the whole picture becomes crystal clear. The legal & ethical mal-practice which has gone on in this case is simply grotesque and the civilized world needs to know.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

hey oldfart, yes it does give you quite a jolt, been there several times.  But I would just like to point out that you were hit by around 80,000 volts.  The ignition coil boosts that 12 volts up to around 80,000 volts in the average car so that the spark can jump the gap at the spark plug.

Mrs. Red: Hoping your dad does alright ~

Mrs Red-

I'm so sorry to hear about your father, I will keep him in my prayers and sending virtual hugs for I understand how this can overwhelm you particularly with the addition of the holiday season.

Klaas-

I had just read Greta's blog too, it is good to see her back-pedal to say the 'right things', my concern is why did she not say the right things on the air? Why bother when her viewership is far greater 'on the air' than on that flip of a blog she runs?

It leaves me wondering if she didn't get a phone call from JKelly after last night, he strikes me as very unafraid of Greta and he's pushed back to her on air prior. I just think that sounded like an apology on the backside of acting like a total a$$.  :roll:

hoping all the best for Mrs Red and her father and everyone else too

The VDS family must be so proud of Joran.  He kept silent at the instruction of his family, just like he told Deepak, he always did what his family instructed him and everything was for his family, i.e., he kept quiet so that Anita would not have to be embarrassed about Paulus' playing around with wine, women and gambling while she was in the Netherlands.  They must be so proud that they have asked their son to lie, and they must be very proud that he followed their instruction which now makes him a full-fledged lying, murdering criminal like his father.  Just a chip off the old block, that Joran, lazy eye, lazy mind and murdering heart.

Perhaps it was during that visit that Greta arranged for Taco to work with the Sloots.  (Can I say Taco, Klaas, or is that wrong?  Do not want to break the rules here).

Bleached, I so enjoy your being here.  I do not think you need to quit.  In fact, I love your being here.  I think 2nJ mom was feeling like many southerners feel when we open up the jokes about the rednecks and soutnerners not having bathrooms, not having teeth, and hear all the chatter about being ill- or non-educated hicks.  We have endured it for generation after generation we are the only region of the country which has tried to preserve our culture while integrating into others.  We southerners are from all walks of life, everywhere, just like other regions of the country, but we are still the only group which the mainstream media, talking heads, elitist ivy leaguers and pseudointellectuals feel it  "politically correct" to joke about and make snide remarks, in addition to lie about.   I have lived and traveled quite a few places and chose to live here as do many others in their retirement years.  

I urge you, CBB and 2nJmom to return because Natalee needs us all!!!

It seems such a short while ago and yet I know each day early on and even now you have a hurdle and you are my heroine.

Mrs. Red, I think about you daily and you and your family are in my prayers.  Special Lady, know that I think of you and wonder about you even though I might not say it.

you can all call me anything you want to   8)

i just dont care

so fire away at me when youre in a bad mood  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



Ratings are what GRETA is After

MONEY doesnt talk...........IT SCREAMS


she is not worthy

Sure do hope there's many more years for you to continue zooming by.

Yeah, but at the same time Greta admitted she had a different point of view on the case.

More emails from Gretawire:

E-mail No. 33

Greta to suggest "Corruption" in the case of Natalee Halloway, is a gross understatement! It's the same old story the world over, if you are rich enough, have enough political clout/power or celebrity, you usually can get by with anything! This is really disgusting, to say the least! Don't you remember way back when that team from Texas who was there to dig for evidence, starting to dig around the the grounds where Joran lives, and Joran's dad came out and went ballistic, who demanded that they stop digging around their house or grounds? I think he was panicked that they might find some viable evidence, so he just went nuts and ordered the men away from his property. I will always believe that Joran is very much responsible for whatever happened to Natalee. If one was to dig around the grounds of Joran s family's house, they would find the evidence they need. I think something happened to Natalee while she was in Joran's little bungalow, and she was buried somewhere on their property. It is so frustrating to feel so helpless as to getting information, but at least the finger is pointing again where it belongs, back at Joran VanderSloot! It is terribly cruel that Karin couldn't have had the warmth, sympathy and class to keep Natalee's family informed on everything, but it's been a long, cruel, frustrating journey from the start!
Sincerely,
Loretta Young

E-mail No. 35

Hello Greta;
I am so mad about the Natalie Holloway case that I can't stand it. Followed it from day one. Why can't the CIA or some other group investicate this case, especially, if there was some kinea calusion of the Arubian autorities. Because then it matters to all future visitors for any country to Aruba, and can happen again, as these peeps just don't care about the Law.
Greg Farr
Portland, OR

I think one of the biggest problems facing this country now and even more in the future is all the people who are born and raised here but still think of themselves as being from another country.

Irag and several countries around the world are fighting and dividing over 'sectarian/ethinic' lines.

I can see the same occuring here and causing much pain and division.

if you were born in america

why cant we call ourselves NATIVE AMERICANS

 8)

You know I hear politicians say they support each other all the time, but what is significant is how they vote in the Congress.  Those words coming from Greta as supporting Beth are hollow.  Actions speak louder than words.  Greta's actions are quite the opposite from what she says.  She is an empty suit, IMHO.

Yep, another PC term used inappropiately by a group who can't give up on the fact that a bunch of Europeans came to this continent and populated it.

And yes, born here means NATIVE AMERICAN to me.

Could care less what my ancesters did to anyone or where they came from.

Heh, heh, all my north facing doors are iced shut.

Trees are looking kinda cool with the ice coating.

I had known about Antonio Carlo's being removed from the case. It never made sense that it was done because he apparently visited one of the security guards......but if he had met with KJ, and "cleared his conscience"., as Mr. DeVries stated........now that might make sense.....
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http://tinyurl.com/tef95

Also Friday, the court barred van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, from visiting the teen, effectively removing him from the case, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

As a result, the van der Sloots retained two more attorneys for the defense of their son, Richie Kock and Arjan Debie.

The court granted prosecutors' request to remove Carlo because he had visited one of two former security guards who had been detained and released in the case, authorities said.

Croes said the Dutch teenager has a team of lawyers, so Carlo's removal will not leave van der Sloot without representation. The spokeswoman is not related to Steve Croes.

Carlo did not return calls seeking comment.

My theory is that some people like to have something to be against. If space aliens invaded us tomorrow, I bet all the earthlings would join together as one people and be against the space aliens instead of each other.

Native American in my personal opinion means Indian decent. NOT Eastern Indian...as in India. Native American is to me my homage.....real life Indians on the plains, in the USA........doing whatever they do. I, here in the USA, look at Indians as Americans. American-Indian.....get it?? I am one. I am from the Penobscot tribe of Maine which was from Canada in a different name. I claim my Penobscot heritage.
Sorry if I offend anyone here......I do not understand why heritage of peeps is an issue.....shouldn't be. I want justice for Natalee and her family. Let's move on.

Kinda looks like some hanky panky was going on.

I agree with you Bleached he was removed from the case for the reasons we just found out.  Aruba was covering up the real reason.  The date of the article is June 17th which is exactly the time Carlo had the meeting.  Karin Janssen probably ran to Paulus with this information she is the only one who could have told what took place.

All of these Doctored pictures of Joran and Natalee remind me
of Robert Chambers....

Remember when he made that home movie twisting the head of a doll around saying my name is jennifer levin , then oops I think i killed it.

A glimps of the evil which lies within......(is that a movie title?    :roll: )

Yup, at the time it didn't make sense, but there was always so much BS slinging that that  it probably didn't register, but now......months later it does make perfect sense that he was removed for reasons that are now clear.......have to respect the man for that.

Hey Tyler,

I just emailed the following to fox news as a suggested way to bring the U.S. currency into accord in a simple and inexpensive manner.

For $1 bill no change.

For $5 bill cut across each corner of the bill like this \

For $10 bill cut a concave notch at each corner.

For $20 bill cut each corner rounded off.

For $50 bill cut a notch in each corner.

For $100 bill cut concave notches in the center of each side of the bill.

No money machines would have to be changed no changes needed of any kind in the real world.

Just the Mint to incorporate the cutting dies into the printing process
as available.

Would make them harder to counterfeit as well, IMO

Then I guess I have no native country since I am not Indian.  I guess I am just a native hatch from the sky.  

I guess I can just leave it to all the Native Americans to pay the taxes.  Exempt, I say, exempt.

Now that is interesting and well thought out.

we are neighbors  :D

i will get us back on TOPIC


i hate all of them

that are involved in the MURDER of Natalee

i said

i hate them all

What else would you expect from moi?

Just doing a quick drive by.. can't get motivated at work today... :twisted:

thanks for all the prayers and well wishes! I do appreciate it...


I can't understand how any lawyer on TV let's Tacky Joe get away with it when he claims that the NY case was thrown out on merit, from what I understood that wasn't it.... It was thrown out on venue, totally different issues...says completely different things!!

Hind sight is 20/20.  Okay - who would have hired Paulus to the law firm in which Carlo works?  Doesn't he work in the same?  And if so, why?  to keep an eye on Carlo?

What I don't get is that none of these lawyers challenge him.  The only one that I've seen challenge him is Kimberly Guilfoyle.

I remember Jacq, and my sister and I were talking about the same thing.....sick,sick,sick, sick!

me 43

 :twisted:

Joran obviously tried to throw the scent in the direction that
included the K2 brothers being the last one to be with natalee
thats why he had so many differnet stories about how he got home


joran was dropped off at home by K2 brothers with Natalee and then later took Natalee in the VANDER SCUM car....

hmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

 :shock:

Hi ya'll!

I have been reading and keeping up. I was so proud the other night when Beth basically complimented the work done by you guys in gathering and publishing information about Natalee.

mrd red-----------my prayers are so with you and your Dad.

Hi Kacky nice to see you.

IMO, he won't come on their show if challenged.... notice how he fills in from time to time on CourtTV... and what about the conflict of interest?  He gave Beth advice one time on Rita's show... y'all don't think they talked in the "green room"?  It's just wrong on so many levels....

Thanks Kacky...

it's good to see you... but i miss that red dress!

Hindsight is 20/20.....bet you are right Mr. Robots , makes sense why they confiscated the Sloots vehicles....but I can't believe that nothing was found. Even at this late date..... FBI/ALE  need to obtain a warrant and get back there and do a forensic search of Montanya 19 in it's entirity.

LOL......
I will re-upload my avatar in a little while. The last time I was here, that feature wasn't working.
But your "little red dress" is way more slammin' than mine! LOL

I pay taxes just like everyone else.

Someone help me out with this - For Natalee's yearbook, to accompany her class picture, she chose some lines from "Freebird". I *think* these are the lines - did she use all 4 of these? Anybody know FOR SURE?



Thanks. (Another project I'm working on ... )

Hi Kacky - great to see you!

The avatar thing still isn't working normally but we found a way to make it work.  You have to have your avatar in photobucket though.

Here is your avatar.  Copy the link below and paste it into the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.  That's the only way it works right now.  :wink:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/kacky.gif

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/kacky.gif)

Big day tomorrow for J2K (yes, Joran also...according to MF/Carlo).

Any predictions?

1.  The judge will oversleep and miss the plane
2.  The plane will have a flat tire
3.  The judge is flying standby and will get "bumped"
4.  Other more important matters will delay the hearing date again
5.  K2 will be released as suspects but NOT Joran

I am afraid I have a bad premonition about the court case tomorrow, hope I am wrong.

That about covers it Klaas. I would say 1-4 is about a 80% chance with 5 being 20%.

I'm actually leaning towards #4

I will say they will release all of them.  They won't release one without the other.

Hi Carpe great to see you on the inside!!

Interesting, that in the above double pix, only PeeWee is riding a boy's bike.

Hi Monkeys.

do we have a link to the whole unedited version of the Skeeters tape?

They could use the *file is in Holland* excuse again.

Or they could just release all 3 and call it strategic...for old-times sake.