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Thanks to everyone who got us to page 100.

Here! ::MonkeyGavel::

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Good job Nut & San!  Thank you for the clean cage!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Karma, in the last thread I thanked you for posting these photos of Caylee. In case you missed it with the change...again, I thank you. It is wonderful to see a smiling, happy Caylee.  That is how I want to forever remember her.

TTYL we are off to ::MonkeyDogWalk:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::

I ran out of gas.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Go to  http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspx?SessionID=90054109-8831-41f4-87ac-821fcfdad9a4
Look up Case Number:     2008-CA-023069-O

This has something to do with the Anthony's Homeowners Assoc. as far as I can tell. This case started on 9/21/09 and ended 10/7/08. Anybody know what this is about?  Yeah, I'm nosey! ::MonkeyTongue::

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I had to hail a cab!

Time to log off for me.  Enjoy the rest of your evening everyone!

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I was reading a little on the last thread. Sorry, I have been busy today and have not thoroughly finished. I can't remember who brought it up or I would credit them. Someone said something about if they could find a piece of duct tape with some of Caylee's live cells on it, and it made me think of this. I am going to run it by, and ones with more forensic knowledge may can answer.

I always thought it was peculiar that one small piece of duct tape was on the gas can. I have tried to think of a good reason for it to be there. I thought at one time that it was used to close the vent to prevent fumes from building up in the shed or trunk (bad idea), or to patch a leak. It looked as if it were not new. However, knowing how duct tape is, it wouldn't adhere to a place that leaked, or vented, as it would break the adhesive. It could have been to mark the can. Some people put their name or initial on a can, but we saw a closeup of the tape, and could see the name Henkle, but no other markings that I can recall.

As Casey had run out of gas before, I am wondering if the can may have been in her car trunk at one time, and at a time she taped Caylee either the last time, or one time before. It looked to me like a piece of tape that was too long, or torn in the wrong place, and was just stuck on the can to get it out of the way to continue. I have done it myself before. What I am wondering if it could either have some of Caylee's "live" cells, or maybe that and a fingerprint of Casey's. Would it still retain the cells and fingerprints, even stuck on the can? I'm thinking it would, but I could be wrong.

If we have talked about this before, I don't remember. If we have, nevermind. I just wondered what a better thinker than me thought about this. The piece of tape on the can has always made me wonder why it was there. And I am wondering if that is why the LE was interested in it so much. I think they found a roll of the tape, but I am not sure at this time about it right now. As I said, I've been very busy today.

I hope everyone has had a nice day. The pictures on the last thread were beautiful.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Fanny! Originally, I had thought they took the gas can with the tape, so they could match the tape, knowing the can belonged to the A's. But now you bring up something else to consider  ::MonkeyHaHa::

At one time I also thought that maybe KC had used it, trying to tape Caylee, and somehow it had gotten stuck on something else, or didn't stick to her the right way, or...

I'm like this  ::MonkeyConfused:: when it comes to forensics. Hopefully someone like ANJM or Desi will pop in wth their opinion.

Or maybe  ::MonkeyHaHa::.....maybe KC started with the piece of tape, and then realized, carp, my fingerprint will be on this, so she started a different piece, and stuck the original one on the can...But that would mean she would have had to have the can with or near her, which is possible too, lol.

Sorry, just thinking out loud.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was too, GIZZIE. I was more or less thinking out loud myself.
Who knows?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good evening, Monkeys.  I have been considering what evidence the gas can might yield, too.

The duct tape on the gas can matches the duct tape found on Caylee's skull, per the docs released.  It is the Henkel Industrial Fire-resistant type that was not widely sold, and is therefore a very fortunate find.  Supposedly less than one-fifth of one percent of all duct tape sold in the few years prior to Caylee's death is of this kind.  Extremely rare.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20713777/detail.html (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20713777/detail.html)

The strip of duct tape on the gas can, damning though it is based on what we know so far, would be that much more of a smoking gun, if it held evidence that would link Casey to Caylee's death or the remains site.  I was wondering if this strip, since it is in perfect shape and not degraded like the strips found with Caylee's remains, might have very clear fingerprints... and what if it also had residue of products of decomposition?  Or even a hair or two of Caylees, showing a death band?  Would we know about this yet, if evidence like this were known by the State?

I also wonder what residual evidence might be on the handle of the gas can, or on the bottom.  Guess I'm just hoping really hard for something solid.

Here is a pic that resembles the top of the A's gas can, right down to the type of handle and type of screw-on filler hose.  It looks to me like the duct tape in the evidence photo of the A's gas can is covering what must be the vent opening.  JMO.

P.S.  The apology I posted in the last thread was sincere and considerably thought-out, and I do stand by it.  I regret the hoopla that ensued.  Hugs to all Monkeys, and goodnight.

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That tape seems to be holding down the air vent that they usually have on gas cans.  It is usually a little plastic cap that you open when you are pouring gas out of the spout to allow the air to pass into the can to make the pouring less 'chug a lug'  (sorry couldn't think of another way to explain).  Hope this makes sense.

Fanny, I found this transcript from NG  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html   They talk about the discovery that was released in January....what was found at the remains site. What I'm going to post not only talks about the cells on the duct tape but also about the sticker from the duct tape that we were discussing just last week. (I know this is just NG, but I didn't have the time to read through all the docs and search the internet for forensic findings on duct tape.)

Snipped:

Out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. Drew, what was inside the bag? You know what? Let`s start with the bag. I understand it was a black plastic -- a generic black plastic bag. But inside, a laundry hamper bag?

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Yes, that`s right. It was actually double- bagged. Also in there with Caylee Anthony`s remains were the shirt, shorts with vertical stripes, and the small cloth iron-type letters, and also a Winnie-the-Pooh blanket.

But one of the other things that we learned today that`s very interesting, we heard that her mouth was covered with duct tape. Investigators -- the latent imprint investigators, they found an imprint on that duct tape of a heart, and they analyzed that and they found the imprint was made by a sticker. At that scene, they also found that sticker. So they say somebody intentionally put a heart sticker over the duct tape that was actually over Caylee`s mouth inside this bag. This all came out in hundreds of pages of information, as Kathi said, that was released today.

GRACE: You know, we are just looking at just-released video behind bars of the tot mom railing on her parents, who are there just trying to help her. And if the state is correct, this is the person who put duct tape, thick industrial duct tape, across her little girl`s mouth. We learned the duct tape had to be cut away by the autopsy doctors because it was still stuck in the child`s hair.

And now we learn -- out to Stacy Dittrich -- that a heart-shaped sticker -- it`s hard to look at the tot mom and imagine her doing this.

STACY DITTRICH, FORMER DETECTIVE: You can`t.

GRACE: A heart-shaped sticker placed over the mouth on the duct tape. Stacy Dittrich, former detective and author of "The Devil`s Closet," that is some really good police work, to notice that -- first, I guess the autopsy revealed a heart-shaped imprint of a sticky, of adhesive. Can they go out and actually find the little sticker?

DITTRICH: It`s amazing police work, which is what they`ve done clear up until now. And with the adhesive on the duct tape, it tells me that it was actually -- it`s been there a while. It was old. It fell off. And for them to find that -- again, the Orange County sheriff`s department throughout this whole thing has been amazing and done a great job with this. This is just another piece of the puzzle that they`re going to solve.

GRACE: Out to the lawyers. We are taking your calls live. Robin Sax, prosecutor and author of "Predators and Child Molesters: What Every Parent Needs to Know to Keep Kids Safe," Renee Rockwell, veteran defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, and Paul Batista, defense attorney in New York and author of "Death`s Witness."

Robin Sax, a lot of forensic evidence can be gained from not only the duct tape but that sticker. Explain.

ROBIN SAX, PROSECUTOR: Absolutely. Well, the sticker itself, you can be able to date back and look at the adhesive to see how long maybe that sticker was put on, at what time, what -- and maybe look at that as a clue for premeditation and calculation. What information can you get about that? Not to mention the ability to then compare the sticker to whatever stickers may exist in the Anthony home.

GRACE: And we know, Renee Rockwell and Paul Batista, police went specifically to the home and got the search warrant to look for sticker books. You know, I now know from going through the child`s section in the bookstore, there are reams of sticker books for children. They went to the home looking for them.

And let`s just get real with it, Renee Rockwell. You`ve defended many, many violent felonies. How often does a random killer just bother to bury the child or discard the child with her favorite Winnie-the-Pooh blanket and some of her little favorite dolls?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, why would he do that if he was trying -- he or she was trying to get rid of all the evidence? I would be more concerned with...

GRACE: Are you telling me that a little horsie doll is murder evidence?

ROCKWELL: It could be, if it was at someone`s house and someone wanted to get rid of it. But Nancy, what`s more...

GRACE: Why would you randomly -- oh, take a look, Renee. Notice that the child`s room -- this is video we have obtained from inside little Caylee`s room -- is done in Winnie-the-Pooh motif. I don`t know if you`re familiar with that, Renee, or not, but you`re looking at Winnie-the-Pooh motif everywhere. That blanket clearly -- come on, Vegas odds -- taken out of the child`s room. Who would do that?

ROCKWELL: Nancy...

GRACE: What?

ROCKWELL: ... not who would do that. Somebody obviously did that.

GRACE: Yes.

ROCKWELL: That is not going to be as important, where that blanket came from, as where that duct tape came from. That`s more of a threat to the defense attorneys, whether or not they`re going to find hairs or skin cells or any type of physical evidence on that duct tape. That`s what someone else is shaking about right now, not the blanket.

Looks that way to me, too, Bluesy.  Makes perfect sense; I believe that is the technical explanation -- "less 'chug a lug'" -- works for me!

Tupelo, glad you posted that link/transcript from NG.  So much to think about re this topic.

Goodnight to all.

(P.S.  Trimm ran out of gas?  Maybe she should have gotten her boyfriend to rescue her, and drive her over to Hopespring Drive... A tire iron takes care of the shed lock, and voila!  George's gas cans, problem solved!  lol )

Hi Desi! I too have wondered about the gas can, if there was decomposition on the bottom of, it as it was in Casey's trunk at one time after Caylee's death. That gas can could hold a lot of evidence in itself. Good seeing you again!

Hey Desi.    ::MonkeyBike::

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http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html)
Judge Denies HOA Plea To Move Protesters From Anthony Home
Posted: 11:50 am EDT September 23, 2008Updated: 12:12 pm EDT September 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

Commissioner Mildred Fernandez wanted the county to pay for off-duty officers to help keep the peace in the neighborhood. Fernandez wanted them to would work from 5:00 pm to 9:00 pm on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
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That was the outcome of the request for an injunction filed by the Anthonys' homeowners association on 09/12/08.  It was about the protesters getting out of hand. 

Monks, if you go to the link Tupelo posted, you have to enter each segment of the case number separately, with no dashes, to see the court filings: 

Case Number:       Year       Prefix       Number       Location
                        2008         CA           023069           O     (<---Capital letter "o")
                             

Always love seeing you in the cage too,  Tupelo.  Your contributions are always most helpful and informative. 

Sweet dreams to all, (hey Trimm) and goodnight for real this time!
 

I am sorry, I think the hoopla was my fault.  I think I saw more in your post than was there.  I misinterpreted and vented my own issues and I am sorry. It won't happen again.  I promise. 
Keep up the good fight for Caylee monkeys!

Tupelo...thank you for posting that NG transcript.  It has been a really long time since we heard that discussion and it is a real memory jogger.  

I really wish that the state would release the evidence as it relates to the testing for KC's fingerprint.  Perhaps the reason why they haven't is to really 'mess' with the Nightmare Team.  IMO the reason why Baez & KC were crying that night is because he asked her if she wore gloves when she put the tape on Caylee and she said no.  Even he KNEW that was the deal breaker/sinker/DP qualifier.  (Total disclaimer here...this is in my wishful dreams only)

 ::CowWave::  Hey Boo

Thank you!

Now that I see the pics of the gas cans again, it makes perfect sense what you're saying. Would have been nice tho had KC maybe put it there, but probably couldn't be directly linked to her anyway, sigh.

Thank you Desi for posting the pics.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi ANJ -- after saying "goodnight for real" -- I had to log back in to give you a hug! 
No not your fault. Not anyone's.  All is well.  :smt056

 :smt060 Goodnight for real, FOR REAL this time! 

I agree with you Fanny, I wondered about it too and thought that as the gas can, duct tape and Caylee were in the car at the same time  they may be very closely linked.

I thought either she tore off multiple strips and stuck them to the can one on top of the other to make them easier to apply, the last piece would be the one not used as the adherence to the can rendered it useless. It could also have been the end or beginning of the roll....so many scenarios with this I don't think I want to go any further makes me so sad.

I have often thought that the fingerprint may have been on this duct tape, not on the the tape used on Caylee, or if we are lucky just maybe both. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you, San, for answering my call for help to change it!   ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Monkeys!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Every Monkey!!!  Look at my new AVI!!!! Brandi made me bee-u-tee-full!!!!!  LOL !!!! She is sooooooo talented!!! Just wanted to show her off!!!
 Sorry for the o/t!
 To make this post valid:
.....I hate the whole Anthony crowd-from the two heads..sin-sin and georgy porgy
 to the two creepy kids .. loathsome lee and skankycasey...
to the things they have corrupted like baisbutt and conman
 to the wackos at kidfinders??
 to the people who have drank the koolaid
... to the people who put money in skankycaseys account
..and stretching all the way to this idiot judge also jose
...and to skankycasey herself!

 Our little Miss Caylee deserved so much more than she got! Its sad that no one in her family has stood up and been counted on her side!! I hope and pray that TRUE JUSTICE will prevail and all who have had any hand in the whole sordid mess will pay the price they deserve to pay! I have faith that they will all pay in this world or the next!

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Tonight at 11:00.Weakness in The Anthony Case.
http://www.wesh.com/video/20899908/index.html

Good Morning Trimm and all Monkeys!!


Since when did duct tape placed over the mouth mean an accidental death?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

I think Mr Hornsby is working for the defense..many times his commentary is completely slanted towards the defense side of things. I understand that he is a defense lawyer and see things that way. Most "normal" people see right through it! Casey IS going down for the dirty deed she perpetrated on Little Caylee!!

Thanks Desi!  You are brilliant!!   Especially since I goofed in typing and entered a wrong date! (Which I just corrected, thanks to a friend  ::MonkeyWink::) 

Good Morning trim and all Monks old and new. A new day, a new week closer to Justice for Caylee!!

OK, I have something to say to Mr. Hornsby but I won't so early in the morning....just have to remember he is a DEFENSE attorney. :smt075

What a putz.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm with you Sunny.     :smt062 :smt014

I'm with BOTH of you! 

Morning Monkeys!

That's right.   Those defense attorneys all sound the same.     (http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/4Siamese/pelea.gif)   

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::  But in all fairness I do have to say we love um if we need um!! ::MonkeyDevil::

YEEHAW!  Told ya I was stalking ya!   ::MonkeyTease::

Sassy...that is sooo cute!! 

Good morning Monkeys! 

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More whoppers Cindy has said!



~If they had something to charge her, why wouldn’t they do it today, with everything else? So I mean, hello? That’s — we’ve known this all along. Why else did they go and handcuff her and put her in jail? Because they feel that she — she needs to be there. And again, once Caylee is found, everybody’s going to know that she doesn’t need to be there. She doesn’t belong there, and she doesn’t deserve what everybody’s doing to her. No one knows everything. I don’t know 100 percent, but I sure as heck know a lot more, but I can’t say a lot of things.

~Today is actually very hopeful day. You know, I just found out that, you know, they did charge her formally today, which actually is a good thing because look what they charged her with. They didn’t charge her with anything but with, you know, voluntary child neglect and withholding evidence. If they had anything concrete on her, I think they would have used that today. Today was the last day that they had an opportunity to do so. That is in essence, a victory for us.

~I’m too trusting of people I’ve just met. I’ve gotten burned by all of you guys. So again, I can look you all in the eyes and you can say how you feel sorry for me, but then you can go back to your stations and allow them to make me look out to be some horrible person that had something to do with Caylee’s disappearance. So think about that.

~Casey gave me an explanation where she was, and it was very — it was very, you know, believable. And I had no reason to ever doubt my daughter. Casey has lied to me in the past. And when she’s lied, she’s told me the truth. We’ve always gotten to the bottom of the truth. The only thing that raised a red flag to me is the fact that Casey could not tell me where she was at. I never tried to find out where Caylee was because I didn’t have a reason to find out where Caylee was. She was with Casey. Every time I spoke with Casey, I asked if I could speak with Caylee.

~Well, again, the people that have her — the whole reason Casey is behind bars is because she’s protecting Caylee’s safety. And I cannot say that enough. Unfortunately, you know, I can’t say things that’s going to jeopardize what we’re doing looking for this child. And I refuse to do so. And I’m not going to waste my time worrying about justifying pictures that you’re showing on your show every night that are two and three years old.

~Casey’s telling us that Caylee’s life is in danger. If we go in there someone thinks that she’s going to tell me something more, then her life’s in danger. And I believe that.

~Well, I hope that’s the case. I mean, every day, I feel like we’re getting closer to locating where she’s at. It’s — Casey’s maintained all along she doesn’t know where Caylee’s at. Casey’s maintained all along that she doesn’t trust the authorities. And you know, as much as I want to say I can’t blame her for certain things…

~People don’t know my daughter. Anybody that knows Casey knows that she is a loving mother and she would do anything, including sit in the jail cell to protect her daughter.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/

Florida honors Missing Children's Day

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/sfl-florida-missing-children-day-bn091409,0,1620220.story

CECE -   Funny you posted more whoppers from Cindy.   I just read your post from the last thread and was bringing it over just now.    ::MonkeyLaugh::     Here is Cece's post from yesterday:

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/recap-cindyisms-2/

Here are some Cindyism that were said from July -September 2008!  Of course these are not all of them!

~If Casey cannot trust the authorities with the truth then the people have to find Caylee so that we can sort the truth out after Caylee has been found.

~There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad. You know how hot it’s been. That smell was terrible.

~She’s leading me to a place, but she’s not telling me to the right exact location to which apartment it is because she’s afraid, if someone walks in, that something may happen to Caylee.

~My daughter may have some mistruths out there, or half-truths, but she’s not a murderer.

~Get off your arses and look for my granddaughter. I don’t care if this is on the news or what. She’s out there.

~We’ve all made mistakes. But right now, she’s not making a mistake. She’s protecting her child. And no one can say or second-guess what you’re going to do to protect your child when you fear for their safety.

~Here is what she says about the media in one breath:  I’m going to do whatever it takes to take advantage of the media, and if it continues to drag our family through the mud and whatever, as long as Caylee’s picture is out there every day and that picture gets ingrained on everybody’s brain and they look — as long as they don’t give up, she’s coming home. She might come home this afternoon. She may come home tomorrow. I hope she’s home by Saturday. If she’s not, you know what? I’m not giving up just because her birthday’s Saturday.

Thanks,Cece.   ::MonkeyBike::

Vendettas Abound In Anthony CasePosted by Jeff Payne On September - 14 - 2009
Back in the early days of the Casey Anthony soap opera, an organization based in Texas, volunteered to look for then a still missing Caylee Anthony. Texas Equusearch and its founder, Tim Miller specializes in finding the missing. Usually after all hope is gone. Arriving in Orlando, all Tim Miller had to go on was the latest developments of the decomposition fluids and hair found in Casey’s car trunk. All tests conclude that these residuals were of a dead Caylee. Cementing this fact was a definite, ‘death band’ found on a hair belonging to Caylee. Because of this, Tim Miller, and many volunteers, set out to find this poor girl’s remains. That did not sit to well with some.

Although, in front of the media, Cindy Anthony said she was appreciative of the help from Tim Miller and TES, but secretly, she was furious that the search was for a dead Caylee. Cindy wanted a public search for a live child. Denying the evidence showing that more than likely the toddler was dead, Cindy Anthony insisted her grandbaby was alive. Thus, Cindy begun a campaign of calling in leads to a hotline that Caylee was seen boarding a plane, playing at a Burger King, caught on a convenient store surveillance camera among other possible Caylee sightings. All this to show that there was indeed a live Caylee and she was kidnapped.

It seemed these sightings were coming from the public abroad, but lately, it has been surmised that almost all tips lead right back to Cindy Anthony. She was employing a misinformation campaign designed to stall any searching where dead bodies most widely end up. In secluded, wooded areas near water. That is exactly where poor Caylee’s remains were found. It just so happens that this secluded location was only a few blocks from the Anthony home. Kind of makes you wonder, don’t it. Cindy even went as far as publicly ridiculing Tim Miller and TES.

MORE....

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/09/vendettas-abound-in-anthony-case/

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm off to get some work done.  I'll check back in a bit!

I am reposting the links to the DC docs in this new thread as I am hoping this issue will heat up very shortly.

Exhibit A: Dominic Casey Interview Transcript: 
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_A_Part_1.pdf
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_A_Part_2.pdf

Exhibit B:  Request for In-Camera Inspection:
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_B.pdf

Exhibit C:
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_C.pdf

Exhibit D:  Transcipt of September 9th
http://www.forthepeople.com/Exhibit_D.pdf

Zenaida files New Motion to Compel Dominic Casey’s Appearance at Deposition and Motion for Sanctions :
http://www.forthepeople.com/New_Motion_to_Compel.pdf

I forgot DC's declaration for the FL Bar.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11239565/Casey-Anthony-Declaration-of-D-Casey

Thanks Northern Rose.     ::MonkeyCool::

Interesting video

http://www.youtube.com/v/UmGLTPZqBHU&hl=en&fs=1&

An oldie but a goodie.  Cindy's hammer skills

CINDY LETS IT RIP AND MAKES A SLIP-UNCUT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhr2dq_sPI&feature=channel_page

Good morning monkeys

OMG, I just watched this happy horsesnit as a result of checking if anything new was being reported.   Is this Bob Kealing's idea of fair and balanced, getting an opinion from a blowhard that seems to want to ignore a few pertinent facts.... seriously absurd.   The idea that anyone would duct tape around a baby's head if death was an accident & maintain staying silent even despite facing the death penalty, come on now...it flys on the face of ridiculous!   

How the heck does Hornsby want to explain these facts:
1)  31 days with no intent to report Caylee "missing"   2)  Casey making excuses as to why her car smelled BEFORE her arrest
3)  Decomposition found in Casey's car trunk along with Caylee's hair with a death band showing she was deceased IN THAT TRUNK!
4)  Chloroform found in Casey's car trunk, along with a stain    5)  Computer searches 3 months in advance of Caylee's murder on Casey's computer regarding how to make chloroform, neck breaking & household weapons   6)  the reportedly rare duct tape as mentioned was also found in Casey's home & on one of the very gas cans she stole from her parents to fill her car with gas.

Wesh was doing such a great job reporting on this case, this stupidity cheapens their coverage & makes Hornsby look like an @$$  IMHO 

I wonder if it was spilling in the car each time Casey 'borrowed' it because of the hole in the vent so she put a piece of duct tape over it.

Yes, it certainly is considering it was said in September & what we now know that they sent DC to the Suburban Drive woods in Nov a month before Caylee's remains were finally discovered.   Why say "the woods" instead of something less distinct?  The answer appears to be rather obvious.   Here is a thought why it took 2 months between then and Nov to go look, they also knew that the area was under water & maybe they figured it was receded by then...just a thought.   Maybe the prosecution should use that very spot in that video when Cindy testifies &  ask her why mentioned "the woods" specifically & why she waited to send DC to that area until Nov.   Cindy told detectives in Dec after the recovery that she sent "someone" to those woods.   Off the top of my head, if memory serves, am I correct that Dominic Casey reportedly signed his "letter of engagement" with Casey on Sept 15th?

I think these people use these segments as a 'job interview'.  They are trying out, like performers on a stage, hoping someone who sees them says, $h!t, if he can try to defend Casey and she is so obviously guilty, he can do a good job defending me. 

Defense attorneys do just that--they defend the 'not guilty' and the horrendously brazenly guilty from any type of punishment for their actions.

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IMO there is nothing about that video that is RIGHT!!!  Why in the world would those women have their children out there? That little boy that got hurt should never have been there....he should never have been a part of that. Shame on the mother!!

Sassy, may I steal borrow that from you?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Quick someone get me a Defense Attorney!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Not Baez, I will be my own attorney then.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  You know what they say, anyone who has himself as an attorney is a fool.  Well I say, anyone who would use Baez as an attorney is an azz.  (Updated saying)

He is a deadbeat dad--'nuff said.  I don't care if he paid it back, it was 5 years without for that child.  That is child neglect in my book.  Look at his first big case--more than 'nuff said.

Justice for Caylee!

I said it then and I will say it now!  That mother is completely unfit, IMO.  By the way, great post on the last thread.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Hi Monkeydoodle - where have you been?   ::MonkeyWink::

How fitting, today is International Angels Day!


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Who would defame an organization that helps many families out when they are in dire need of closure?  Only the lowest of the low.

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Re the "In the Woods" video of Cindy:  Not to say that the phrase Cindy used in that interview was not chilling, or even that she did not know where Caylee's remains were (she may have, for all we know), but I believe this reference to "in the woods" was probably in reaction to the TES searches which received wide national media coverage.  TES was searching "in the woods" in late August, early September.  Tim's strategy was based on the forensics reports that had just come out, showing that Caylee was dead. 

Cindy's own strategy (try to save Casey by proclaiming that Caylee was alive) was significantly hampered by this news, and especially by the widely publicized TES searches.  IMO Cindy's use of the phrase "in the woods" is easily explained by her objection to the big news of TES searching for a body in wooded areas around Orlando.

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The other video posted, where Cindy makes a slip, is something I hope Morgan & Mitnick have.  The protester was criticizing Cindy for not protecting Caylee; for not knowing who her granddaughter was being left with while her daughter was out partying.

Cindy replied clearly and forcefully to the protestor that any time Casey was out, she (CINDY) had Caylee. 

And yet, she tells investigators that she has known of Casey leaving Caylee with this "Zanny the Nanny" for a couple of years?  Uh-oh, Cindy.

(And I agree about the protesters' kids -- it made me cringe to watch this video, seeing these women out there with their kids late at night, screaming obscenities and encouraging a  young child to scream at Cindy, too.  Am I wrong, or is that the same little boy who had his arm shut in the car door when things got out of hand a few minutes later?)

I agree, friend!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Nice to see you here, MyTime and you are looking lovely.

Sunny, I see you mentioned the little boy that got hurt... I will have to make a confession:  I could not make myself watch the rest of the video... so I didn't know whether this video actually showed that altercation at the protesters' vehicle that resulted in his injury.  I did always wonder whether the authorities investigated this mom...

http://www.wesh.com/news/20905478/detail.html
Motion Seeks To Force Dominic Casey To Testify
Attorneys Seek Ruling In Zenaida Gonzalez-Casey Anthony Lawsuit

POSTED: 12:47 pm EDT September 14, 2009
UPDATED: 1:21 pm EDT September 14, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Attorney's for Zenaida Gonzalez filed a new motion Monday asking a judge to force the Anthonys' former private investigator to submit to a sworn deposition.

In their new filing in the civil lawsuit against Casey Anthony, Gonzalez' lawyers claim work done by private investigator Dominic Casey is not confidential.

They also cite an 80-page transcript of an interview Dominic Casey did with detectives earlier this year where he spoke freely about certain aspects of the criminal case against Casey Anthony. She is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 when she was reported missing in 2008.
But Gonzalez' attorneys point to his talk with detectives to show Dominic Casey was "dishonest" in asserting he could not testify in the civil case because of privilege. (PDF: Detectives' Interview With Dominic Casey)

Gonzalez is suing Casey Anthony, claiming she was defamed when Casey Anthony said a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez took Caylee.
Gonzalez and her team want Dominic Casey to pay for their attorneys' fees, costs and "any other sanctions:" the court feels is appropriate.

Dominic Casey worked for a time as an investigator for the Anthonys and their defense attorney Jose Baez. Dominic Casey says he should not be forced to testify, because the information he has is protected under the attorney-client privilege.

Detective's Interview With Dominic Casey.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0320/18975332.pdf

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-latest-091409,0,1410890.story
Casey Anthony latest: Attorneys say private eye gave conflicting stories
Zenaida Gonzalez's attorneys want private investigator Dominic Casey to give a deposition in the Casey Anthony defamation case.
Sarah Lundy  Sentinel Staff Writer

12:44 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2009
The civil attorneys for the Zenaida Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman suing Casey Anthony in a defamation case, aren't backing down in trying to get a private eye who worked for the family to give a deposition.

The lawyers are claiming Dominic Casey is telling two different stories -- one to investigators and another to the court.
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Thanks for posting these, cece.

I remember all of these!

No one can talk double-speak as well as Cindy in my book.

Such a pitiful woman. Wish I could have pity for her. I don't though.

MT, you were right then and you are still right!!    and Thanks!! ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20905046/detail.html
Motion: Casey P.I. Info Not Privileged
Lawyers In Civil Case Seek To Depose P.I.

POSTED: Monday, September 14, 2009
UPDATED: 1:41 pm EDT September 14, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez filed a new motion in her civil case against Casey Anthony Monday morning.
Gonzalez has the same name as the baby sitter Anthony claimed took her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

Gonzalez's attorneys want a judge to order private investigator Dominic Casey to give a deposition for the civil case.

On Thursday, Casey testified that he was working on behalf of the Anthony family, and anything he had to say was privileged, and the judge agreed.

In the motion filed on Monday, Gonzalez's attorneys argue that Casey spoke freely to sheriff's investigators and that the judge in the criminal trial against Anthony released the statements on the grounds that they were not privileged. Gonzalez's attorneys want to depose Casey for the civil case.

Casey helped search for Caylee, who was reported missing in July 2008. Her remains were found in December.

Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail on first-degree murder charges in Caylee's death.

Gonzalez is seeking punitive damages from Anthony.
Video.   http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20905508/index.html

sin-sin expected TES to look for a live Caylee?....but WHERE? LE were following leads from all over the country. TES followed leads. Where in the heck did sin-sin expect TES or LE to look for a live Caylee.. I wasn't there but I will BET you Tim told sin-sin they were looking for Caylee period....there was no indication she was alive...but plenty that she was not alive.

Yes, Desi, the Department of Children and Families did investigate that incident when the child got hurt outside the Anthonys' home.

As they should have!

Sorry, I didn't know how to just "cut" the picture of the Anthony's gas can.

I have no idea what their reasoning would be for putting the duct tape over the vent but I can tell you why it might happen around here in the rural South.

If the vent would no longer close, you would reach for the duct tape to cover the hole to prevent the gas from evaporating in the heat.  The "chug-a-lug" (great description, by the way) would be of minimal concern compared to picking up a gas can you thought was full only to discover it was empty from setting in a hot shed.

I realize that may just be my "simple" answer but from the looks of the gas can, it appears to be well-used.  We've had several like that around the farm that got their own slap of duct tape to prevent gas evaporating.

Of course you can steal it!     ::MonkeyWink::       I agee with you, too.     ::MonkeyAngel::

Well, shoot, the picture of that gas can didn't even post!

Thanks, Monkeys, for posting all the Dominic Casey stuff.  Thanks for the Cindy-isms, too.  I have to run now, see you later.

Here are a couple more for the road:

~ "I saw no red flags."

~ "Casey's always been an ex-cellent mother."

~ "Her and her dad have a special relationship.  They're a lot alike."

~ "In fact, she reads the Bible more than any of us."

~ [FBI: Does she lie frequently?] Last couple of months, I guess yes! (Laughs.) 

~ [FBI: Why the change?]  I'm not sure... I'm really not sure.


Regarding Casey's pregnancy, which she "hid" for seven months:

~ She tried to hide it.  I suspected it.  Didn't say anything. I let her come to me; no point in beating her up over it. 

~ There was never a question that we were gonna not let her have the baby, or.. she didn't not want to have the baby... [FBI: Any hesitancy @ having the baby?] No, not at all.  No, there was no doubt that she was not gonna have the baby.  Her and I both believe in abortion..strongly believe in abortion for certain circumstances.  But there was never a question that that was what she was gonna do.  [FBI: She WASN'T gonna do...?] --Wasn't.  There was never a question that that was something she even thought of.


To Tim Miller, voice mail message:

~ The evidence that they have is not-- We already have it defeated.  They do NOT have evidence that Caylee is dead.  I'm telling you right now, to not fight with me, 'cause I will win.  I will win. [..] Got it?  Please, whatever you think you're gonna do, think again. [..] So I'm telling you not to wage war against the Anthony family, Tim.  Because you will not win in the end, and.. you will not win, I'm telling you, okay?  That is not a threat, that is something that is fact, alright?


And my favorite "Cindy-ism" of all:

~ Call me ASAP.  Major prob.
(Text message to Casey on 7/15, after retrieving Casey's decomp-reeking Pontiac from the towyard.)
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks for your input.  Makes total sense.    You should post more often.   

Thanks, Toy!  IMO that sounds like a logical explanation.  We know the gas cans were kept out in the shed... in the Florida heat, that shed would have been hot as an oven.  It does appear to be a pretty old, well-used gas can, so maybe the vent was broken, or couldn't close, as you said.

I'll repost the pics for you.

(And Brandi, thanks for the answer on DCF being involved re the protester's kid.)
Gotta run, Bye, Monkeys!

Another possibility! (Just saw this on my way out.)

Brandi, I am not doubting your word...but for the life of me I don't remember hearing anything about DCF investigating this.....can you post a link please?  I must have just missed it!!

I have allowed myself to get so far behind on the case that generally I'm afraid that what crosses my mind has already been hashed and rehashed numerous times on past threads!

However, I've had "too much" experience with those gas cans.  In my experience the first thing to go on those type of gas cans is that little plastic vent stopper.  In comparison to the construction and material of the can and nozzle, that vent stopper is the cheapest, lowest quality you can imagine.  We have had several gas cans over the years similiarly decorated with duct tape...albeit, ours wasn't the fancy fire-resistant type. 

I do believe the rarity of that duct tape is going to be a very important piece of evidence.  Duct tape is generally bought cheaply and for its strength...I've never even heard of anyone buying some that is "fire resistant" and I've from a rural area where the motto for fixing things is "If it squeaks, use the WD-40; if it moves, get out the duct tape!"

I personally remember that DCF did get involved, but before posting to Desi, I double-checked real fast with google. I immediately found this cached URL that verified it: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:ZmeOkw-n-scJ:www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/911-calls-scuffle-between-nthonys-protesters.htm+caylee+anthony+protester+child+injured+car+door&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

It states: "The Department of Children and Families is investigating that incident for possible child abuse charges."

I am sure there are non-cached URLs out there with the same info ;-)

Hi TOY, I am in total agreement about the duct tape...and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that the edges of the duct tape were matched (LOL, I watch CSI too)  My personal travel tool box consists of 1 reg screw driver, one Phillips,  super glue, clothes pins, DW-40 and Duct Tape...!  LOL  I can darn near fix anything!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Brandi, thanks so much. I missed it but I surely am glad your brought it up. It should have been investigated for sure!  Those women were irresponsible!  Again, thanks!

I do not agree with the two children being there what so ever.  If you can get past that you can hear some interesting words from Cindy:

- there were 3 people looking for Caylee
- Cindy looked after Caylee whenever Casey did not have her
- Kathi Belich paid the woman to be there and scream at Cindy.

Funny.   ::MonkeyHaHa::      I didn't even know they made "fire resistant" duct tape before this case.    I, too, hope the edges match up, along with KC's fingerprints all over the pieces of duct tape!

Sounds like mine except for the bungee cords, de-icer, and dog treats (and I don't have a dog).

Mine also  has candles, a lighter and a Leatherman which has the screwdrivers as well as other goodies. 

I think the duct tape is going to sink Casey.  Wonder what story Cindy is going to come up with to point that at someone else?

I caught those little beads of wisdom!  One of the females then asked sin-sin how much ABC paid them for??????  I wasn't able to catch it. Did anyone else? It's about 7:38 0n the tape.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDogWalk::

Bearly,
Yes and this case has the bottom of the bottom feeders!

Also, wonder if that mom who had the kid out protesting has been investigated or at least now see's the error of her ways.  Wonder if she has taught her son, two wrongs don't make a right.

I HOPE the duct tape has kc's fingerprints...if not the defense will probably say Zanny stole the tape when she stole the pooh blanket, the laundry bag and what ever else they can think of...wonder if the kitchen sink is missing? ::MonkeyConfused::

I also can't wait to see what was REALLY bought at JC Penney's. ::MonkeyWink::  What was on those receipts that sin-sin didn't want LE to know about?  I have always THOUGHT it was a relacement pooh blanket.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html
Anthonys' P.I. Accused Of Lying On Stand

Posted: 2:53 pm EDT September 14, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez, in the civil lawsuit against Casey Anthony say her family's private investigator, Dominic Casey, lied on the witness stand last week during a hearing.

Zenaida Gonzalez is suing Casey Anthony for blaming her daughter's disappearance on a woman with the same name.

The Lawyers now want a judge to force Dominic Casey to face their questions.
Longwood private eye Dominic Casey testified last week that he was working for Casey Anthony's defense team last November, when he was searching the woods where Caylee Anthony's remains were later found.

But last summer, he told the FBI that he was not working for the defense team at that time.

Also, motions that were filed on Friday from the prosecution claim one of Casey's lawyers may be either lying or not playing by the court's rules.

Casey Anthony remains in the Orange County jail, charged with murdering her daughter Caylee.

Maybe a lil wishful thinking on the part of the defense, eh? 

I  would LOVE to see an emergency hearing on this!!  Wonder how Judge Rod-ito feels about being lied to so blatantly?  He should IMO never have ruled until he saw the 'signed' agreements that were not produced in court!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Sassycat, your monkey cracks me everytime I see it, and that's howwwww many times now?!  lol  It's a classic.  Love it!  And that's gotta be the cleanest kitty in the world.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too and i have never seen it addressed in all the documents released...    if it was not something critical Yuri would not have been pressing for it and Cindy would not have done her usual evasive dodging around...

Great- I love it.    They should not trifle with  Mitnik and Morgan Esq.
Don't these idiots know everything they say has been recorded, documented, video'd, Tivo'd put on Youtube, MySpace and God knows where else and they have the temerity to lie.

Hmmmm.. interesting!!  Thanks Northern Rose!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And if true, (had to be polite and toss that *if* in  ::MonkeyTease:: )..... then add all this to the evergrowing list of what, IMO, Cindy ought to go down for, at the very least, on charges of obstruction. 

What if she never does?  Would an enraged America on the doorstep of the court bldg change their minds?  hehe

Ack nooooo... work?  Say it ain't so!!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWink::

Hurry back! 

Doncha hate when 'real life' goes and interrupts?   ::MonkeyTease::

Capp.... "happy horsesnit"..   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/spitmonitor.gif)

Good points made!  Am thinking that Hornsby must be hoping that all this might get forgotten and lost in the shuffle of all the drama.  Dream onnnnnnnnnnn Hornsby and Nightmare Defense Team!!  heh

Sunny...IMO sumpthin' was up with this whole motion/hearing filed by Kasen for dismissal.  Rod-Ito (love that) made some reference that he was already 'second guessing' the ruling he made previously to not dismiss nor postpone this case IIRC.  So IMO Kasen had inside info somehow someway that the judge was waivering and filed the motion AGAIN.  

It was obvious to us which way Rod-Ito was leaning both days in court by the way he was treating Mr. Mitnik.  Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall because if it was obvious to us..you know it didn't get past M&M.  Bet the whole firm worked the entire weekend studying everything they could to impeach DC.  Maybe DC will get some of what's coming to him over this.

 ::MonkeyJustice::

PS.  I want to add that we only KNOW of DC's searches at all is because of LP/Hoover.  We really don't know if he was there any other times..one or a hundred.

Good question, Capp!! 

And maybe it took til Nov to go look cuz .. well .. one might think that by that time, it would hard if not impossible to figure out cause of death.  Not to mention the more possibility of any other evidence being destroyed, scattered, buh bye. 

If I were gonna cover for someone (which I would NOT!), I would likely want to make it as hard as possible for the law to find anything of evidence left.  And then delay delay delay and lie lie lie.  Sounds pretty much what's gone on in this case.  The A's are looking more and more complicit everyday. 

All the while Casey sits in jail, twiddling her thumbs.  IMO, she's going DOWN, no matter who may have done what in the past or even now to try to help coverup what was done.  And for doing that, they (no matter who that turns out to be), IMO, ought to be going down right along with her. 

All IMO, ya know.   ::MonkeyWink::   ::MonkeyCool:: 
 

What lovely.. lovely.. JUSTICE.. that the piece of duct tape on the gas can had the name Henkel stamped right on it. 

 ::MonkeyLaugh::    ::MonkeyJnBox::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

SLAMMMMMMMM!!  Take that, Casey!! 

 ::MonkeyDance::

It's about time someone held someone responsible for what they say under oath!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Same saying here in rural Nebraska! 

I always heard "If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape.  If it doesn't move and should, use WD-40."

 ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  That's a good one too, Carol! 

Thanks.   :D   Its good to see you back, posting on the Caylee thread again!
Justice for Caylee!      ::MonkeyJustice::    ::MonkeyGavel::

ITA, Brandi.

 :smt045

Thanks Sassy!  It's good to be back.   ::MonkeyKiss::

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, I am just so in and out... doing life stuff.

Does anyone know how much time the defense has to reply to Ms. Drane Burdick's motion from the 10th?  Or, will Judge Strickland just set a hearing on the matter, and Baez has up until the hearing to reply?  I am very interested in how this one plays out.
 

Sooooooooo OMG true!!   ::MonkeyGavel::

Gosh, how many of us would have been long gone, sitting our lil butts in jail, for even ONE of the things that's been done/said in this case!  That these things have until now gone seemingly ignored by LE has been one of the most frustrating things about this case and Haleigh's too.  IMO. 

But now?  Gooooooooooooooo LE!!  Let's hope this is the beginning of what they can unleash!   ::cartwheel::

Will BBL.. My doxie needs to go water the neighborhood.    ::MonkeyWink::

::puppy::   ::MonkeyDogWalk::

15 days is what I understand.

You're very welcome Sunny.
I actually was so busy trying to post images that I got locked out of the last cage lol

http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html
Anthonys' P.I. Accused Of Lying On Stand

Posted: 2:53 pm EDT September 14, 2009Updated: 4:07 pm EDT September 14, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez, in the civil lawsuit against Casey Anthony say her family's private investigator, Dominic Casey, lied on the witness stand last week during a hearing. Zenaida Gonzalez is suing Casey Anthony for blaming her daughter's disappearance on a woman with the same name.

The Lawyers now want a judge to force Dominic Casey to face their questions.
Longwood private eye Dominic Casey testified last week that he was working for Casey Anthony's defense team last November, when he was searching the woods where Caylee Anthony's remains were later found.

But last summer, he told the FBI that he was not working for the defense team at that time.

Also, motions that were filed on Friday from the prosecution claim one of Casey's lawyers may be either lying or not playing by the court's rules.

Casey Anthony remains in the Orange County jail, charged with murdering her daughter Caylee

Right back at ya Wyks!

 ^ Yup, just like Cindy admitted with a tone of defiance that she gave the FBI the wrong hairbrush after they very specifically asked for one that Caylee used OR the fact that she washed Casey's smelly, stained paints proceeding to take them to the dry cleaners as well & the Anthonys taking that deathmobile home & cleaning it out instead of calling 911 right at the tow yard upon discoverying the evidence of their granddaughter's murder in that trunk-- why would she think to do ANY of that if she believed her slore of a daughter was innocent...there is NO reason to tamper with or destroy evidence nor is there any reason to give law enforcement the wrong items or information other than she is a willing conspirator to conceal a crime.

My DH and I were just talking about the a's and the house. We both wonder if Caylee's room is still the same? Do they keep the door closed so they don't see the emptiness of life? Or look at Caylee's clothes or toys.  And kc's room and clothes and all the items she had there. I would probably have already had a bon fire!!....and how do these people stay there night after night not knowing if Caylee was murdered right there in the house, or someplace else.  How do they stay there with each other? It must be hell and if so, I say yeehaw~~   They have no place to go unless the network pays for hotel rooms for them. It seems none of their families want anything to do with them. But they have the Milsteads!!  I feel bad for those little dogs. ....just random thoughts rolling around in my head. ::MonkeyConfused::

  I know Sunny-I've wondered the same.  I also noticed a video the other day where Cindy was showing off Casey's room.  I noticed the bed against the wall.  I thought "They probably had it against the wall so Caylee wouldn't fall off when she slept with Casey".  They I saw another video taken later and the room was rearranged with the bed in the center.  I wondered to myself "Why would you move it there if you were expecting to find Caylee and have her home soon"?  Just a though.

I so agree.  What an awful example for those children - I wonder if the mothers will be surprised when their children end up in street brawls, etc. when they're older ?;  I've always had the opinion that George & Cindy loved riling the crowds up.  Normal people would stay inside and out of sight as much as possible. 

I remember that video ...it was with Greta! I remember thinking the room looked small and the bed was against the wall.  I found the video!  It is at the near end of the video.
  http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/20598076/caylee_s_grandparents_speak_out.htm#q=orlando

Hopefully someone else will be able to find the video with the bed moved. I am pretty sure I remember seeing it, but haven't a clue where to look for it.

Good thought BTW!!

Hi Ono!!   I THINK they loved the cameras,  especially sin-sin...of course she has said she only wanted to keep Caylee name in the media. However I don't think that was the reason. Like kc she loved being the center of attention. You are right,http://normal people would have stayed in...... ::MonkeyWink::

eerrr that big square should have said normal...do do dodo ::MonkeyConfused::

Snip from Desi's Cindyisms:

" To Tim Miller, voice mail message:

~ The evidence that they have is not-- We already have it defeated.  They do NOT have evidence that Caylee is dead.  I'm telling you right now, to not fight with me, 'cause I will win.  I will win. [..] Got it?  Please, whatever you think you're gonna do, think again. [..] So I'm telling you not to wage war against the Anthony family, Tim.  Because you will not win in the end, and.. you will not win, I'm telling you, okay?  That is not a threat, that is something that is fact, alright? "
~~~~

Tim was lucky he didn't find a severed horse's head in his bed! Who is she anyway ???    ::MonkeyEek::

It never ceases to make my stomach turn in disgust witnessing how one too many parents give no regard to what their children are exposed to, do little or nothing to teach by decent example and/or condone or excuse unacceptable behavior...is it any wonder when horrid events transpire that we don't see a world filled with a break down of moral compass, lack of judgment & little to no accountability?   These protesters showed up there under the veil of being "on the right side" but sadly all they managed to accomplish is to exhibit that they were more concerned getting on camera with their antics than they were concerned about minor children...shame on them.   No "cause" is an excuse to fail our children  ::MonkeyMad::

You are so right !  One of the most maddening aspects of this case are the free-wheeling liars.  And there are so many !

Thank you, Brandi

Thanks Sunny.  I'm going to do some checking and I'll get back to you!  Got to go make dinner 1st though as hubby hungry!  I have to take a break from that video too-did you see the way Cindy was petting that dog?  Poor dog-he wanted down!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   That's okay.

Fox 2 news just stated at Patrick Swayze has died.

So sad, I really liked him.  ::MonkeyWaa::

He fought a long, hard battle, may he rest in peace. I was a big fan of his too. My prayers for his family.

Will a Florida monkey watch wesh 2- that has bob keating and the big hole in the case against casey tonight?
I am going to see if they have a watch live link, if I find one - I will post it if nobody has yet.

I was looking around for a link too. I live in Fl. but don't get their channel. Hopefully someone will have it on youtube!!

Thanks, Cece for bringing this over!  Where to start?

• a good thing because look what they charged her with,voluntary child neglect and withholding evidence,a victory for us- since when is VOLUNTARY child neglect a good thing?  How about withholding evidence when your only grandchild is MISSING and her car seat and favorite doll smell like death? A good thing???
• you know- Cindy's working hard to defend herself and sound credible here
• And I had no reason to ever doubt my daughter.-notice Cindy can't even stomach this lie herself subconsciously, as she follows it up with admitting Casey's lied to her before.  This, in addition to, Cindy's infamous "My Caylee Is Missing" post in early June, detailing her mistrust of Casey and her evidence against Casey.
• If Cindy "had no reason ever to doubt her daughter" as she so emphatically states, why does her subconscious keep forcing her to make confessions like this The only thing that raised a red flag to me ?  Red flags are indicators of distrust, doubt.  If you have "no reason ever to doubt your daughter", why would you send Super Sleuth Lee to find her at a night club (per Lee)? 
• I never tried to find out where Caylee was- Bold faced lie, IMO!  We have: Cindy's "My Caylee Is Missing" post; we have LE statements that Cindy sent Lee looking for Casey because she wouldn't let Cindy talk to Caylee on the phone; we have Cindy in Morgan & Morgan Depos saying she kept calling Casey to see Caylee and Casey set her up in the parking lot, promising to bring Caylee, and did a no-show; and we have the well-publicized story of Cindy repeatedly calling Casey to talk to Caylee , only to be refused each time.
• Every time I spoke with Casey, I asked if I could speak with Caylee.- Funny thing how that pesky subconscious keeps popping us, forcing Cindy to contradict herself.  Also funny how Cindy fails to mention here that each and every time she asked, she was refused point-blank with a variety of creative excuses (that only increased that distrust she didn't have).

Rant over!  Oh, and Hello everyone!

Youtube or maybe wesh will post it.  I am shocked they don't have a watch us live link. 

http://www.wesh.com/news/20911873/detail.html

Big Question In Anthony Case: How Did Caylee Die?
Some Wonder If Prosecutors Can Prove Murder

POSTED: 7:02 pm EDT September 14, 2009
UPDATED: 11:05 pm EDT September 14, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The case against Casey Anthony is like a giant puzzle of circumstantial evidence with one giant piece missing.

Without proof that Caylee was murdered, some say it will be much tougher for prosecutors to get the conviction they are looking for.

How did Caylee die? Was it suffocation? Strangulation? Accidental drowning? No one knows for sure.

"The prosecution still has no evidence how she died," attorney Richard Hornsby told WESH 2 News. "Was it accidental or intentional?"

Some people who have followed the case still don't think Caylee was murdered.

"Yes I do, I believe it was accident," said Agnes Gaddy.

Without clearer evidence of how Caylee died, some say it would be hard for them to convict her mother Casey of premeditated murder.

Hornsby said, "If their goal is to get the death penalty, they need to come up with that evidence. It's way too weak."

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 when she was reported missing in 2008. When Caylee's body was found in December 2008, an autopsy revealed no exact cause of death.

Prosecutors have said they will seek the death penalty, when the trial is held in 2010. Anthony is in Orange County Jail on no bond.

The state's evidence includes Web searches for chloroform and neck-breaking, suggesting this was premeditated. They also have duct tape on Caylee's skull -- a hint something horrible happened to her.

They also witnesses reporting the smell of death in Anthony's car and a single decomposing hair in the trunk.

But does all this mean Caylee was murdered?

"It suggests a certain level of commitment or premeditation," said attorney Tom Luka, who at one time represented Anthony's brother, Lee. He also has prosecuted about 50 fifty homicide cases.

Luka said the state can use Casey Anthony's own lies and deception to fill the hole in their case.

"If it was an accident, then the prosecution can hammer the jury with why didn't she come clean initially," he said.

That argument rings true for others who've followed the case.

Said James Lormand, "Whether it was an accident or not that killed her, the fact that she tried to cover it up still means she's guilty."


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 ::MonkeyEek::

I've been working late and must have missed something!!!   ::MonkeyShocked::

What big hole (other than the one Cindy stuffs pie in)?

Ohhhh, I have to go catch up!!   ::MonkeyEek::

Ooooops, sorry!  Hi Monkeys!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Taking a few to play catch up, but have to get back to work.  Thanks to all of you who keep monkeys like me updated on the latest happenings and news buzz!  I really appreciate it, since I don't have much time to spend here these days (no complaints, just the season of life I happen to be in).  Have a good evening and take good care, all!

Night, ISpy!! Sorry to see you go! 

Oh! COD is the "hole"?

Well, no surprises there. We knew the defense would make the most of that. It's one of the weaker links, but IMO it's a strong chain. Casey's Going Down!!! 

Thanks,Tupelo.   ::MonkeyBike::

I found it hard to visualize what kind of mother would ever think of going to a public place like MySpace to criticize her daughter?  The things she discusses are family matters and she has a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting a positive response by doing that. No WONDER Casey wanted to get away from her. Bizarre, arrogant woman.

WO are you talking about the same woman that told every friend that KC brought home or let Cindy have their phone number that she was an ignorant...loser..didn't finish high school, psychopath?

 ::MonkeyWink::

And yesssss, exactly!  The list of things CinCin has done and said that seem to qualify as being obstruction of justice is astronomical, IMO.  And begins back when they first found that car and she texted what she did to Casey.  Hopefully LE is preparing a cell just for CinCin, and an arrest will be made when they are finished up with Casey, who will then be trotted off to the nearest prison.  Maybe they can only handle one Anthony at a time in that jail.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

I do too, Sunny! 

Am thinking that as in a lot of cases, when one child in the family is missing/murdered by another family living in the home, even if suspects, other children in the home are taken by Child Protective Services.  I think the same ought to be done for any pets in the home, by the ASPCA.  Seems only right and fair.  They are living breathing beings, and could be at a huge risk.  IMO they don't even deserve to have a goldfish living there.   
 

 ::MonkeyGavel::   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Hoping you are right.

 ::MonkeyWaa::   ::MonkeyWaa::

The radio is playing one of his songs from Dirty Dancing right now.  Making me  ::MonkeyWaa:: even harder. 

Rest in peace, Patrick. 

Capp, are you sure?  Are those your words buried up there in that last post?  Saying that Tom Luka "sat in on" the OCSO/FBI interviews with Dominic Casey and James Hoover?  (along with Brad.)

Jan. 7 interview with DC states that Conway was there, but not Luka.  I skimmed through it and only noticed TL peeking in briefly toward the end, to ask if he could speak w/Brad for a moment, and asking LE if they needed him for anything; they said no.  Am I reading this wrong, or are you talking of a different interview?

Hoover's interview -- I don't see Brad mentioned as having been there, nor Luka.  What am I missing?  Maybe I'm looking at the wrong transcript?  Help!

You also said earlier that Cindy gave the wrong hairbrush to the FBI.  (Forgive me if I'm mistaken; I believe it was you and am too sleepy to go back and verify at this moment.)  I thought she gave it to OCSO, but ICBW of course.  Or was there also a visit to the A home by FBI, where another hair brush was requested?

And you used a term like "wrapped around her head" (not a direct quote; just from memory) when referring to the duct tape, when we know from the autopsy report that the tape was not wound around mummy style.. don't we? What did you mean? 

Also today you stated that "We now know that they sent" DC and JH to the woods in November..."  (again, not a direct quote) --  Who is "they?"  And how do we "now know" this?

I am not trying to be difficult, I am really thinking I must have missed something.  I have only seen the one statement of Cindy's per Yuri in the search warrant narrative, where she stated that "she" had people walk "that area" a month before and there was nothing there.  She doesn't say what people she means.  And she is a she, not a they.  Have we seen proof that she was speaking of DC and JH?  Or have we seen proof of who if anyone actually did "send" Dominic and/or Hoover there?  Ginette Lucas played a role? Yes or no?  Daisy chain ruled out?  Or is this what you meant by "they?"  Please please tell me the rest of the story!  I want to understand this and your statement made me ponder.

I am not trying to be difficult, but for someone who likes to have things pinned down, your posts sometimes leave me uneasy.  I never feel comfortable just assuming that you have misstated something or made a boo-boo (like the ones I always make) because I'm aware that you might have information that I don't have - since you have direct contact with LE involved in this case.  If you have time and don't mind, could you please clear up some of this for me?

TIA
Desi

 ::MonkeyWink:: Did you notice I inadvertently repeated the phrase "I'm not trying to be difficult?"

                 I probably am being difficult anyway.  But really, I'm not trying to be!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just sleepy and feeling confused.  Hope what I was asking made sense, and if you don't feel like replying, that's okay.

(Sorry for o/t.)

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http://www.wesh.com/news/20911873/detail.html
Big Question In Anthony Case: How Did Caylee Die?
Some Wonder If Prosecutors Can Prove Murder

POSTED: 7:02 pm EDT September 14, 2009
UPDATED: 5:57 am EDT September 15, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The case against Casey Anthony is like a giant puzzle of circumstantial evidence with one giant piece missing.

Without proof that Caylee was murdered, some say it will be much tougher for prosecutors to get the conviction they are looking for.

How did Caylee die? Was it suffocation? Strangulation? Accidental drowning? No one knows for sure.
"The prosecution still has no evidence how she died," attorney Richard Hornsby told WESH 2 News. "Was it accidental or intentional?"

Some people who have followed the case still don't think Caylee was murdered.

Without clearer evidence of how Caylee died, some say it would be hard for them to convict her mother Casey of premeditated murder.

Hornsby said, "If their goal is to get the death penalty, they need to come up with that evidence. It's way too weak."

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 when she was reported missing in 2008. When Caylee's body was found in December 2008, an autopsy revealed no exact cause of death.

Prosecutors have said they will seek the death penalty, when the trial is held in 2010. Anthony is in Orange County Jail on no bond.

The state's evidence includes Web searches for chloroform and neck-breaking, suggesting this was premeditated. They also have duct tape on Caylee's skull -- a hint something horrible happened to her.
They also witnesses reporting the smell of death in Anthony's car and a single decomposing hair in the trunk.

But does all this mean Caylee was murdered?

"It suggests a certain level of commitment or premeditation," said attorney Tom Luka, who at one time represented Anthony's brother, Lee. He also has prosecuted about 50 fifty homicide cases.

Luka said the state can use Casey Anthony's own lies and deception to fill the hole in their case.

"If it was an accident, then the prosecution can hammer the jury with why didn't she come clean initially," he said.

That argument rings true for others who've followed the case.

Said James Lormand, "Whether it was an accident or not that killed her, the fact that she tried to cover it up still means she's guilty."

 ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/14/attorneys_dominic_casey39s_story_not_adding_up.html

 Attorneys: Dominic Casey's Story Not Adding Up
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:51:57 AM
ORLANDO -- Lawyers representing Zenaida Gonzalez in the civil case against Casey Anthony are trying to depose a private investigator.
 
Zenaida Gonzalez's attorneys claim Dominic Casey is telling two different stories -- one to investigators and another to the court.

At a hearing last week, Dominic Casey testified he worked for Casey Anthony, her lawyer, and her parents since July 2008.
 
But in January, he told an Orange County investigator he has only worked for George and Cindy Anthony since last October, meaning he was free to answer questions about conversations he had with them.
 
In the criminal case, Judge Stan Strickland concluded the information was not privileged, and could be released to the public.

The judge in the civil case originally denied the original deposition request.  Now Gonzalez's lawyers have filed another request.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/casey-anthony-missing-piece-is-how-caylee-died-wesh-says.html
Casey Anthony: Missing piece is how Caylee died, WESH says
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The uncertainty over how Caylee Anthony died is the major missing piece in what WESH-Channel 2 anchor Jim Payne called "a giant puzzle of circumstantial evidence."

In the hyped report, reporter Bob Kealing interviewed a couple of attorneys and several people who have followed the case against Casey Anthony. She is charged with the first-degree of her daughter. The report reminded viewers that the case is no slam-dunk against her.

What are people in the street saying? One woman said she thought the child's death had been an accident, and another woman said it would be difficult to convict Anthony without clearer evidence. But a man said that Anthony's attempts to cover up the crime exposed her guilt.

"The prosecution still has no evidence to tell you exactly how she [Caylee] died, what caused her death," said Richard Hornsby, a defense attorney who does analysis for the station.

Kealing listed some major pieces of circumstantial evidence that suggest premeditation: the computer searches into neck-breaking, the duct tape on Caylee's skull, the scent of death in Casey's car and the single strand of decomposing hair.

Attorney Tom Luka said the prosecution can use Casey's lies to make up for any deficiencies in evidence. Luka used to represent Lee Anthony, Casey's brother.

But Kealing concluded: "Without Caylee's cause of death, jurors could find it significantly more difficult to convict Casey of murder."

What do you think?

good morning monkeys --your grand daughter is missing-u are calling 911-the car smells like death-and you do a load of wash-why not just throw the pants out-LE would have nerver known there were pants in the car.  Was she affraid KC would get mad at her if she threw the pants out-how nuts are these people anyway-

Caylee is dead-her mother has lied-and party after Caylee went missing-I dont care how she died -she is dead and her mother killed her period  D.P for her-just that first phone call from jail  --when all she wanted was Tony phone number-the time she wasted taking LE all around town- as far as I am concern this case is a slam dunk

 ::MonkeyGavel:: YEAHHHH .......FRY HER   ::MonkeyGavel::  ::MonkeyJustice::  ::MonkeyWhistle::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't know what happend to the post-but I can understand Sin Sin trying to protect KC-she lost Caylee and I think she loved Caylee but she did not protect her for the evil one- what is unforgivable is her trying to blame Innocent people like Jessie-and putting that family Thu Hell just to protect your daughter that to me is the worst thing she has done.  Dont know how she sleeps at night-

Interesting comments on Luka's part. Hmmm, do you think Lee talked to him and told him things about knowing that Caylee was dead and where she was?? Luka is the one that got is Use Immunity, I think he's letting a cat out of the bag on what he and Lee knows!  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning Monks old and new.

  RH says: "The prosecution still has no evidence how she died," attorney Richard Hornsby told WESH 2 News. "Was it accidental or intentional?"

*******uuuummmmmm do you think the duct tape around her mouth and nose might be a clue to your answer?? ::MonkeyConfused::

I just looked at the poll....78% say not an accident

Do you still think Caylee Anthony's death could possibly have been an accident?
Choice    Votes    Percentage of 756 Votes
Yes            120            16%
No            593            78%
I don't know    43    6%

OK, come on, these people need to use their head and not concentrate so much and the letter of the law. How can a two year old little girl "Accidentally" had heavy duty duct tape wrapped around her head, nose and mouth, tight enough that month later, after being under water for so long, is still attached to her skull and hair?? Accident??? Was it an "accident" that her little body was left in the woods to decay as her Mom went on about her party life?? Please tell me what part was an "accident"?? Would these ridiculous people feel it was an "Accident" if their child or grandchild or even neighbor was found in such a state???    ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.wftv.com/video/20911069/index.html

Lie May Be Exposed In Casey Anthony Case
Zenaida Gonzalez's lawyers say they've exposed a major new lie in the case against Casey Anthony. (09/14/09)

I see that Luka is no longer representing Lee-  interesting how these attorneys are distancing themselves from this toxic family-  NeJame, Luka.... who's next?

I am surprised at Luka's comments.
Since he was Lee's former aty, why is he commenting at all? ::MonkeyConfused:: 

http://www.wftv.com/news/20907568/detail.html

Anthonys' P.I. Accused Of Lying On Stand

Posted: 2:53 pm EDT September 14, 2009Updated: 7:17 pm EDT September 14, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Zenaida Gonzalez's lawyers say they've exposed a lie in the case against Casey Anthony. They say the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, was not telling the truth on the witness stand last week.

Also, a new motion from the prosecution claims one of Casey's lawyers is either lying or not playing by the court's rules.

Lawyers say Dominic Casey's contradictions about whether he was part of the defense team in November when he searched woods where Caylee Anthony's remains were later found, could be a bombshell in the murder case.

Last week under oath, the private eye said he was working for Casey's defense team when he searched the woods in November.

"You would be working under contract for Casey Anthony, Jose Baez and George and Cindy? All at that time?" asked attorney Keith Mitnik.

"That would be correct," responded Dominic Casey.

If that's true, WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says it links Casey Anthony to her daughter's remains in the woods.

"It is more likely then that the information that lead him to that area came from someone in the defense team who had the knowledge this body was there," Sheaffer said.

But in June 2008, the private investigator told detectives under oath that he was not working for the defense during the search.

"When did you terminate with Jose Baez?" asked an investigator.

"The termination was October 1," replied Dominic Casey.

The contradiction raises questions about the claim that a psychic sent him to the woods. Compounding the problem is a recent mistake by Casey's defense.

"The body or remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County jail. There is substantial evidence and that proves, your honor her innocence," defense attorney Todd Mancaluso stated in court.

Prosecutors demanded that the defense hand over that evidence, which they are legally required to do. If nothing is handed over, it backfires on Casey Anthony.

There were two hearings that were requested by prosecutors and lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez on the issues.

Also, 2,000 pages of criminal discovery are expected to be released sometime after next week.

Casey Anthony remains in the Orange County jail, charged with murdering her daughter Caylee.

ITA.

Good morning Monkeys.

Yeah - Cindy the control freak.   She is the most logical one for the defense to throw under the bus....   If I was a juror on this case, I would almost feel sorry for KC, having to grow up under this overly controlling monster of a mother.

At every court hearing, Cindy tries so hard to get KC's attention, to look her straight in the eye....    to maybe give KC "that look" that tells KC that Cindy is the "boss".    Cindy still desperately wants to control KC.    JMO.

Great questions Desi!  She clearly states on the first video it was John Allena nd Yuri that she gave the hairbrush to. IT seem to me JMO that the reference of the FBI domes from...Da Dah....Nancy Grace!!


Here's a video of sin-sin explanation re: the hairbrush she gave to John and Yuri.
http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/cindy-and-hairbrush/

On the same link the emails between Larry Garrison and sin-sin

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/ok-lets-talk-about-the-so-called-incriminating-email-from-cindy-anthony-to-former-spokesman-larry-garrison/

I also do not remember and can't find anyplace that states  for a FACT WHO sent DC and Hoover to the woods

this is what I was looking for!!  Good Morning trim!!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

That little yorkie was panting during that video.   I wanted to scream  "Someone please give that dog a drink of water!"    Thanks for posting that video Sunny.    CA is so full of crap.   That's why so many of us saw through her from the very beginning.   ::MonkeyNoNo::     I wish we had an expert do a body language analysis on GA for this video.   He does the monkey grin face and shakes his head the wrong way almost every time he speaks.    Interesting to watch.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/9/14/520861.html?title=Families+gather+for+Florida+Missing+Children%27s+Day

Families gather for Florida Missing Children's Day
Monday, September 14, 2009

The Anthony's, along with Ronald Cummings, can be seen in the video attached to this article.

(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo89/CasuallyCool/13313_missing-children-1.jpg)

I think these statements are very telling....at least the statements and the person who made them are in MY MIND!!

"It suggests a certain level of commitment or premeditation," said attorney Tom Luka, who at one time represented Anthony's brother, Lee. He also has prosecuted about 50 fifty homicide cases.

Luka said the state can use Casey Anthony's own lies and deception to fill the hole in their case.

"If it was an accident, then the prosecution can hammer the jury with why didn't she come clean initially," he said.

Hi Boo!!! ::MonkeyGavel:: I think you are right about Luka at least to dropping hints as to what Lee said/knows and will swear to.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::  Sassy is in the house!!

I believed when Lee was deposed by the state, and then Luka was no longer needed at least for now, that Lee told everything he knew and then some. I really hope he did, and if he did maybe he just doesn't want the lies and bs anymore.

Hey Sunny!    ::MonkeyGavel::   Thanks for finding those links for us!   

D. Casey states in his interview on Jan. 7, 2009, that there was one thing in KioMarie's statement that he had not seen or verified and thought he would go by the woods to see if it was a hangout before going to the meet and greet. On his way to meet J. Hoover, Ginny Lucas called him and said that she had seen a vision of where Caylee was.   http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009

But we must remember that a teddy bear of Caylee's had previously been sent to Ginny Lucas. By whom? It had to have come from the Anthony home. Someone mentioned last week or so that a note could have been put inside the bear. To me this is all set up to keep the names of everyone involved on the defense team to appear uninvolved.....I can't buy that, no matter how you look at it. Cindy's statement that she had someone search those woods convinces me that they are totally involved. If only the Anthony's, especially Cindy and Casey, could keep their mouths shut. But they can't and their words will do them in. JMOO

God, I hope you're right!     ::MonkeyGavel::     I'm so far behind....  Is Lee still living with the A's?

I can't stand that grin on GA's face....it's diabolical!! ::MonkeyMad::

ONE OF THESE DAYS is the key phrase here. The only thing the Anthony's search for is money.

Thanks Tupelo.  IMO it is disgraceful that the a's attending ANYTHING dedicated to missing or murdered children. They are to the best of my knowledge the ONLY people who's own daughter has been accused of THE MURDER!!!

nrcg, that is my belief as well. ::MonkeyJustice::

I don't know if he still is  ::MonkeyConfused::

  ::MonkeyCool::  I sure wish they had a COD  ::MonkeyNoNo::

thanks tupelo!  wasn't it convenient that GL just HAPPENED to call at the very time DC was going to meet Hoover to go follow up on something said months previously ::MonkeyWink::  on yes, she is a psychic ::MonkeyRoll::

re sin-sin's statement about 'she ' had someone check the woods reminds me that she has a need to be in control of everything.....I never quite believed her statement that it was SHE....IMO it more like 'they' and I am not clear in my mind exactly who I think 'they' are  but I do think kc and BOZO are part of the 'they'::MonkeyConfused::

A skeleton was found, with nothing but animal gnawings on the bones to say a cause of death The skull was found with duct tape over the mouth and nose area. This can only lead to the COD IMO, unless Casey wants to get up on the stand and tell us differently.  Duct tape over the mouth and nose, before decomposition, equals suffocation in my book. MOO

I remember her phone call interview on Nancy Grace where GL said she called DC around 3 or 4:00 in the morning. Cell phone records show no such call exist between the two.  I just wonder if someone from the defense team had a phone conversation with her at that time to say, tomorrow is the day to put this all into play, and she made a little slip when stating this. It's nearly impossible to keep lies straight, as the characters in this case have proven time and time again. JMOO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

GRACE: Now, did -- how did you get hooked up with Dominic Casey to start with?

LUCAS: Well, I have a big reputation in the northern Virginia- D.C. area, and another fellow dowser -- do you know what dowsing is?

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat?

LUCAS: Can you hear me? Another fellow dowser called me and asked me to do some location work for the Anthony case.

GRACE: Yes.

LUCAS: And I said, Sure, what the heck, go ahead, let`s try it. So he called down there. And I guess he had spoken with Sergeant Allen and Allen wasn`t interested. And then I guess he spoke with Dominic Casey and Dominic Casey said he was interested.

And every time I worked on it, I couldn`t get the information. So eventually, one day, I picked up the information and I called Dominic right away about 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning on the 15th. And I said, I have what I call "the fast and final." I had some training from a former retired -- now retired D.C. detective, Detective Mike Helwig (ph) of the forensics department of D.C. police, and he would always give me pointers of how to, you know, attempt to go into a crime scene and so forth. And I`m also a former private investigator...

GRACE: What you were telling him on the phone, Ms. Lucas?

LUCAS: I told him to go over to the area where an abandoned house was. I told him, When you leave the Anthony house, come out the front -- pretend you`re coming out the front door, take a right and go to the end of the street, and go to where the abandoned house is and...

GRACE: Right. And were you -- were you giving him specific directions while you were on the phone with him?

LUCAS: Oh, absolutely. We were on the phone off and on for a while.

GRACE: Have you ever seen the location?

LUCAS: No.

GRACE: So this was all from your psychic feelings about the location?

LUCAS: Right. But that`s what I do. I do it all the time.

GRACE: And is it true that you had at some point a teddy bear that once belonged to little Caylee and you presumably channeled information through that?

LUCAS: No, I didn`t channel. I`m not a channeler. I`m a...

GRACE: OK, did you have a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee?

LUCAS: Yes. Oh, yes. They mailed it to me.

GRACE: Did you use it in any way?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I touched the teddy bear and...

GRACE: Right. And what happened when you touched the teddy bear?

LUCAS: I didn`t get much. And I didn`t proceed much. And then I put down the teddy bear, put out a picture, a map, touched it, went to bed. And I had a dream about the information, got the final location, got up at 3:00 in the morning and called him and left him a message. And I said, Call me right away. I`ve got it and I want you to go check it out immediately.

GRACE: What was the dream, Ms. Lucas?

LUCAS: That she was in a plastic bag. I said there might be two plastic bags, a white one and a dark brown -- not a brown but a black one, and then a dark green one. And I said, Don`t -- I said, You`re not looking for a little person sitting on the curb, you`re looking for garbage, what looks like garbage.

I see what you are saying, but there is no COD by the medical examiner, and at trial I suppose the State can bring up all these issues, but the jury will have to determine I guess what they believe to be COD.

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CC,I love that photo of Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I am sorry I don't have a link with this...I'll find it if anyone needs me to.  Obviously I am still wondering about Tracy ( uummm could be the reason my DH calls me his little pit bull from time to time).....and here's a hairbrush and TOOTHBRUSH reference

TUE, December 9, 2008 – Leonard Padilla appeared on the Nancy Grace show and said, “But everybody knows when she died and….the 30 days is not a secret anymore. And don’t be surprised — don’t be surprised if Orange County or the FBI don’t drop it on us here that they’ve got the body somewhere…”

When asked about the hairbrush incident, Leonard Padilla said, “Well, the hairbrush incident was something that we weren’t aware of until it broke on your show. But the one thing we were aware of was the almost giving the dogs toothbrush to the FBI. She made some comment about it, when Tracy repeated it to me. I thought, well, that’s typical Cindyism.”

Leonard Padilla also said, “On the other hand, she also has made a comment about when did Tracy  get an attorney to talk to? Well, she got that attorney way back when she first came back to Sacramento, because of some incriminating things that Casey had mentioned to her. And she didn’t want to be jacked up on a misprision — felony type situation.”

IF LP is telling the truth about this...then we still havent heard what those incriminating things were

Yes you are right, and I'm not sure yet what I all think about the subject of Tracy. I don't like her and for some reason don't trust her, but I guess we shall see.

Hello Monkeys.  Please excuse my interjection here.

In this Cindy clearly references "Four months".  While I haven't looked to find the date of this interview - wouldn't 4 months from July 15 make it mid-November that Cindy said these things about "...In the woods..."?

IMO it may have been the discussion Tracy had about using GHB.

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Is the Answer Malignant Narcissism?

by Diane Fanning

If the question is Casey Anthony, it may very well be. Dr. Erich Fromm coined the phrase, but Dr. Otto Kernberg became the expert on it. He defines malignant narcissism as being in the middle of the spectrum ranging from Narcissistic Personality Disorder and full-blown psychopathology.

We are all born narcissistic. As an infant, our world view is that everything and everyone is connected to us and exists to fulfill our needs. Another spike in our narcissistic tendencies occurs in adolescence. It is natural to be self-centered at this point in our development, but we are expected to grow beyond it. Healthy adults maintain a small amount of narcissism, but it stops far short of self-obsession.

That characteristic is clearly demonstrated by Casey Anthony. When she was released from jail in the summer of 2008, she was happy and focused, offering smiles and hugs to everyone. Her immediate focus was on taking a shower and getting a home-cooked meal. It was not on her missing toddler who she had not seen for months.


MORE....

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-answer-malignant-narcissism.html

I think so too.

I agree. But I don't even think that the COD will be needed. Others have been found guilty with the DP as the sentence, and a body was never even found. (Willie Crane in the Amanda Brown case) I still stand firm that whatever was found at the remains scene will be strong enough to convict Casey and she will be sentenced to death.

Oops.....that statement I just made is MOO!!

tupelohoney, I believe that the State has strong evidence, but I will stay in the minority about being sentenced to death, I just don't feel that will happen. I think and hope for LWOP.

thanks NR...very interesting and informative article!!

Jen, this is a post I made back in August....it goes right along with this same topic....

I just watched this video again   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbovZBcSTWg  and at 2:46 Cindy says that Caylee was missing from them for 5 months. Hmmm.....1 mo. 6/15 - 7/15,    2 mos.7/15 - 8/15,    3 mos. 8/15 - 9/15,    4 mos. 9/15 -10/15,    5 mos. 10/15 - 11/15.  11/15 is the day the Anthonys held their Meet and Greet while Dom Casey was on Suburban drive searching for a dead Caylee in the woods.   Another Freudian slip???

No Rose, I will gladly accept LWOP also, just as long as it is nothing less. A lot of us in our society are sick and tired of the lax treatment for SOs and child abusers. People are finally starting to stand up against this, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Casey Anthony was used as an example that it will no longer be treated as it has been in the past. MOO

Lie May Be Exposed In Casey Anthony Case

http://www.wftv.com/video/20911069/index.html

not sure if this was posted or not. So I am posting it just in case someone missed it.

Yes, I believe we have confirmation between those two videos, and her comments after the body was found how she had "sent" people there to look for her - that someone in that family (aside from Casey) knew where that poor little girl's body was.

And they knew it at least on November 15 - although my personal belief is they knew it well before that.

Hi Monkeys!

Cindy saying,  "I had someone check the woods" is screwy to me. She almost took Tim's head off because he was searching for a dead Caylee, instead of a live Caylee. So why would she have someone check the woods?
What, she thought that maybe Caylee set up housekeeping there?  ::MonkeyConfused::
 Forgive the sarcasm, but Cindy drives me nuts. The whole family drives me nuts.

Thank you, Sunny!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.  I'm just catching up & still about 4 pages behind as you can see.

Thanks,Sunny.   ::MonkeyBike::

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=d42fe87e-1f7b-4649-824c-b494dd3bc776&CaseID=6079536

9/14/2009     A     NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY

Murder case

What could this mean?

Thanx,  Sunny, I had missed that.  (And I LOVE it)

I'm deadly sick of what is happening.

Good Afternoon Monks.  Who has Kathi Belich's email?  Maybe she can run down and read this.  The defense is going to do this IMO at every turn to delay delay delay. 

Sorta/OT..I was watching a trial on In Session last week of a trial in Florida...IT TOOK 6 YEARS TO BRING THIS MURDERER TO TRIAL!!!!  I really don't think I could take that if this case takes that long.
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyGavel::

That link doesn't work anymore- what did it say?

I have emailed her at Kathy.Belich@wftv.com
What are they doing now?

I have a question:  If DC is charged with perjury or obstruction of justice, would he lose his private investigator's license?  And what about his attorney?  Can she be disciplined for presenting false information to the court?

Thanks WO....she will be able to either go herself or send someone to get a copy of this for the details.  No telling what they are doing.

BTW....Linda Kenney-Baden was pitching her new book on In Session yesterday.  They all have books so far 'cept Macadoodle & Baez.  Wonder when theirs will be coming out.

Maybe it has something to do with Ms. Big Briefs' schedule?

Dozens of families were at the state capitol Monday for Missing Children’s Day.

It's a chance to remember all the young people who have vanished over the years.

Most of the names have become all too familiar -- Tiffany Sessions, Haleigh Cummings and Jennifer Kesse.

But the hope is raised awareness could bring a break in their cases.

The remains of Cindy Anthony's missing granddaughter Caylee were found in 2008.

Anthony said it's important for every parent to collect a sample of their child’s DNA just in case.

“Parents don't realize you can swab your child's mouth and put the DNA in the freezer and it will last, so, you know, we just need more awareness,” Anthony said.
Thanks to legislation passed earlier this year, anyone charged with a felony will have their DNA entered into the database.

Civil liberty advocates said it goes against the principle of being “innocent until proven guilty.”

Video: Missing Children’s Day
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2...&title=Missing Children’s Day

Article:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2..._ceremony.html


Sure mushroom head, collect a DNA sample just as you supplied LE with the wrong hair brush.

Didn't we see an add on NoKidFinder that they are selling these kits?

OMG! I can't believe Cindy said that about collecting the DNA!  I wonder if Cindy had done that if she would have given it to LE? She did her best to make sure there was not a true way to test for Caylee's DNA, she wouldn't give an article of Caylee's for cadaver dogs to be able to pick up her scent.  Hey Cindy....it's too little too late....you already made your bed....go home and leave these people alone. You are a joke to even talk on these subjects.

Something to that affect.

 ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::

Hello monkeys, I hope everyone is doing very well.  I have been reading but just staying in the rafters as I have had nothing really to add...you are all fabulous... ::MonkeyWink::

Anyway, I have been reviewing my old videos in this case and I came across this one that I thought was quiet interesting...it is when ZG first showed up in this story so I think it is a worth while review...

First report of ZG….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03CSv4RMTow

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Good Afternoon Monks!!  ummmm  I haven't a clue just lots of guesses!!

You are welcome!!

hi Blusey...I am sure I will have pulled all my hair out if that happened!! ::MonkeyMad::

I really don't know.....hope someone else does.  I THINK as long as the attorney says she had no knowledge the info was false she couldn't be disciplined.  JMO

This always brings a smile on my face!

http://www.youtube.com/v/YNdsvfXvPpw&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1

cece, you are a girl after my heart!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Oh thank you, thank you ..my mother thanks you, my father thanks you,  everybody thanks you Cece...I know exactly what I was doing at that moment....watching Nancy Grace..and JVM was sitting in for her, etc.

And for once I was glad the protesters were there for KC & Sin Sin & Yo Yo to hear them cheering.  Shucks...bet they could hear ME all the way to Florida.

 ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Means one of the attorneys on either side is informing the court they will be unavailable during a specified period of time.  Now who?  Lyinlion again?

Hi ANJ!  that was one of my guesses, but only a guess!!  I would bet on it being big drawers!!! ::MonkeyDevil2::

I know how you feel.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-deposition-091509,0,4827946.story


Prosecutors to question private investigator, Lee Anthony's girlfriend

Prosecutors handling the Casey Anthony first-degree murder case will question private investigator Dominic Casey in November, according to a deposition notice filed today.

Dominic Casey will be questioned at 11 a.m. Nov. 12.

This comes as attorneys who represent Zenaida Gonzalez, the Kissimmee woman suing Casey Anthony for defamation, are trying to secure a deposition from the private investigator.

He had refused to be questioned by the civil attorneys, saying the information he has is considered privileged since he worked for Anthony, her defense attorney and her parents.

Gonzalez' attorneys want the civil judge to force Dominic Casey to answer their questions, according to documents filed last week.

Gonzalez claims Anthony ruined her reputation and is suing for more than $15,000 in damages.

Casey Anthony told investigators she left her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie with a nanny by the name of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Investigators have said the nanny never existed.

Prosecutors will also depose Mallory Parker on Nov. 12. Parker was Casey Anthony's brother's girlfriend at the time Caylee was reported missing.

It's unclear what Parker and Lee Anthony's relationship status is today.

Prosecutors also filed another discovery notice today, outlining what items will be released to Casey Anthony's defense team. It includes a one-page document and a CD of Casey Anthony's tattoos.

Thanks,Cece.   ::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Murder case:

9/15/2009     A     NOTICE TAKING DEPO FILED
9/15/2009    A    NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=6d3dcc6a-47fa-42d7-8ddd-41cac6bcc038&CaseID=6079536

::MonkeyGavel:: monsterscottpeterscum was convicted to death and they had no cause of death for Laci Rocha    ::MonkeyJustice::

I got that feeling too, Boo!

Well let's see DC not show for this one!! ::MonkeyDevil::  And if he does, refuse to answer questions!! 

So Mallory is going to be deposed too!    I wonder what it means about being 'unclear about she and Lee's relationship now???'

Also what happened to the documents part of the last release??

Thanks for the refresher - poor Zenaida ...  I would have totally freaked out. 

http://www.wesh.com/news/20931980/detail.html
Anthony Prosecution To Depose P.I., Girlfriend
Depositions Slated For November

POSTED: 6:57 pm EDT September 15, 2009
UPDATED: 7:13 pm EDT September 15, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors filed a notice Tuesday in the case against Casey Anthony of their intent to depose two more people.

They include the Anthonys' former private investigator Dominic Casey and Lee Anthony's girlfriend, Mallory Parker.

Casey has been the subject of much speculation in the wake of videotape taken of him searching the area where Caylee's remains were found a month later.

Casey Anthony is in the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area near the Anthony family home last December.

Casey said he was following the direction of a psychic who directed him to the area. Both depositions are scheduled for November at the state attorney's office.

I know that, she sure could get convicted without knowing the COD, but I still wish they knew it.

I don't think Doc G knew for sure what COD was but IMO she was implying suffacation with the duct tape.
I still don't think casey will get the DP but I feel real sure,100%,that she will get LWOP.
casey is going down,she has no where else to go.

Well, I intended to comment earlier but got called away for the day so now Im catching up....Things that make you go hmmm

Let's not forget that Hoover reported that DC stated when they met before going to the Suburban woods that Caylee was dead & they needed to go find her.  Well, if that is indeed what DC told Hoover why not tell law enforcement & what specifically did Dominic Casey base that on, from whom & when?   Is that not suspect knowing DC was hired by the Anthonys as their investigator reportedly to find a live Caylee?   If Casey was innocent why would anyone hesitate passing pertinent info to law enforcement?

Yuri reported that in Dec AFTER the discovery Cindy mentioned she "sent someone" to those woods a month earlier & nothing was found.

Also, in Jim Hoover stated that Baez, Boden, the Anthonys, Dominic Casey and himself were at the Anthony home in December AFTER the discovery & Jim Hoover reportedly asked point blank if the Anthonys knew DC & him went to the Suburban woods in November & the answer was YES.   Hoover also mentioned that Bozo went mum during this exchange (if memory serves in his deposition, not interview).

Another interesting tidbit is the fact that Cindy reportedly sent a teddy bear of Caylee's to the psychic

An excuse to go check out a "teen hangout" that DC mentioned he took from Kio's statement to police would not require anyone digging with a shovel & using a probe.   He didnt mention the psychic immediately but offered this excuse first.  Note:  excuse is my interpretation

Why would we be shocked by either Cindy's hypocrisy or the fact that the Anthonys and Milsteads are the type to feed off others tragedies to make a buck or advance their agendas.   

The chickens are coming home to roost....slow but sure!

chickens come home to roost Prov.  You have to face the consequences of your mistakes or bad deeds
chickens come home to roost
if you say that chickens are coming home to roost, you mean that bad or silly things done in the past are beginning to cause problems

eeerrr what ever you are drinking you need to pass it around ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.wesh.com/news/20931980/detail.html

Anthony Prosecution To Depose P.I., Girlfriend
Depositions Slated For November
POSTED: 6:57 pm EDT September 15, 2009
UPDATED: 7:13 pm EDT September 15, 2009
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Prosecutors filed a notice Tuesday in the case against Casey Anthony of their intent to depose two more people.

They include the Anthonys' former private investigator Dominic Casey and Lee Anthony's girlfriend, Mallory Parker.

Casey has been the subject of much speculation in the wake of videotape taken of him searching the area where Caylee's remains were found a month later.

Casey said he was following the direction of a psychic who directed him to the area. Both depositions are scheduled for November at the state attorney's office.

Hi monkeys
I am so mad ::MonkeyMad:: I read that the crazy Anthony's went to an event for Trenton ducket last August ::MonkeyMad:: caylee's picture was next to Trenton's picture as a missing Kids ::MonkeyMad::
the only similarity is the both kids may be murdered by their own mothers ::MonkeyMad::

How many days after caylee went missing zenaida did visit the complex apartment
I believe at some point Casey went to the apartment to plant some kind of proof that caylee was there.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20927680/detail.html

I wonder if Casey, with her multiple Target excursions, was one of the "cohorts" referenced in this article. Ha!

Hi Cecilita! Zenaida went to the Sawgrass Apts. on June 17th to check out the apartments. That is the date that was on the card that was filled out by the employee in the office.

Good evening, everyone!  Briefly dropping in to read and post some things I found out today.  This arm chair detective is learning so much!  First, a Happy Dance is in order.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeySlide::

At the Library today looking for something entirely different and stumbled across Crime Scene Investigations.  Had to check it out, of course.  ::MonkeyWink::  You all may already know this, but to a newbie like myself, it was pure gold.

Things that make me smile:

“  The types of flies found in the body can be helpful in determining whether or not the body has been moved.  Some species of blowflies only lay eggs in corpses that are in full sun.  Other species prefer those in the shade, and are found in heavily wooded areas.”

"Forensic scientists sometimes use color, shape, and distribution of pigment granules to tell the difference between hairs of two individuals." –So much for the hair dye theory, huh?  "The length of the naturally–colored roots beneath a tinting job is a way of identifying the owner of a hair."  *Big smile, CINDY*

"The term soil includes all things natural and artificial on or near the surface of the earth area being examined.  In most forensic cases, only about 1 cup of the top layer of the soil needs to be collected.  The initial exam also includes odor and texture evaluation.  It is then dried at 100ºC for one hour.  Scientists use color as their main ID technique.  The presence of specific chemicals give the soil it’s characteristic color."  –Thus soil in the Anthony’ s backyard (pool/playhouse/sand box areas) would be very different from the woods off of Suburban Drive.  I wonder if LE took anyone else’s shoes in the search (or door mats).


Fiber evidence- "Whenever you enter a room you pick up room fibers and drop fibers from where you’ve been.".  I wonder if the inside of Casey’s car (driver’s seat, trunk area) has fibers from the wood off of Suburban Drive.  Likewise, I’m curious to know if her closet had any fibers that matched those woods (from her shoes or other clothes that may have come into contact with suspect clothing).  I’m also thinking a fiber analysis of Caylee’s bedspread can determine if it’s a replacement (fiber comparison to other pieces in the set).  This could also clear Tony should Baez choose to accuse him.  The fiber samples on Tony’s clothing and in his apartment would be different from those found with Caylee (same with Joy Wray should she need to use it).  Likewise, with the shorts found near Caylee that appeared to be suspect…difference in fiber composition and deterioration would have alerted forensics.  If the fibers from the sticker match fibers from the Anthony home=SLAM DUNK! The absence of foreign carpet fibers would also determine there was no other perpetrator (ZG).

Yes, it's a great day!

One more thought:

Casey and Bite Marks:  IF Casey used her teeth to tear the duct tape, two things come to mind.  First, the bite mark(s) on the tape may match her teeth print, as well as there may be a lip print.  Secondly, if she was wearing caps at the time, her teeth print may not match today.  If those caps were damaged in the process, the prints may not match her current bite imprint.  Do we have closeups of Casey prior to June 15, 2008 and any closeups of her immediately after (say late June/early July)?  I’m thinking the O.J. “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit.” scenario on a bite mark print.  On a good note, that tape didn't tear itself. ::MonkeyWink::

Well, need to close...need sleep!  Have a good evening/morning, Monkeys!  Take good care!

Sunny, what are you implying, it isnt exactly clarified  ::MonkeyConfused::

I will clarify why I referred to this phrase.   The prosecution is going to depose Dominic Casey - he will be caught in his lies (again) as well as his attorneys misrepresentations in a court of law will be further exposed, not only that but chips may fall beyond just him for what as been said previously before Judge Strickland and/or via their prior interviews & depositions.     "Slow but sure" everything KC, the defense & her family has pulled will surface & will backfire on them, first and foremost in a very big way by Casey receiving the ultimate consequence of LWOP or the DP for murdering Caylee,  justifably so...I have no doubts & I'm completely sober.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/9/15/dominic_casey_to_be_deposed.html
 Investigator In Casey Case To Be Deposed
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:28:24 AM
ORLANDO -- A private investigator will be questioned in Casey Anthony's first-degree murder trial.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, prosecutors will depose Dominic Casey during the November trial.
   
The private investigator had refused to be questioned by the civil attorneys, saying the information he had was privileged since he worked for Anthony, her defense attorney and her parents.
   
Prosecutors also plan to depose Mallory Parker on Nov. 12.  Parker was Lee Anthony's girlfriend at the time Caylee was reported missing.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20931980/detail.html
Anthony Prosecution To Depose P.I., Girlfriend
Depositions Slated For November

POSTED: 6:57 pm EDT September 15, 2009
UPDATED: 7:22 am EDT September 16, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors filed a notice Tuesday in the case against Casey Anthony of their intent to depose two more people.

They include the Anthonys' former private investigator Dominic Casey and Lee Anthony's girlfriend, Mallory Parker.

Casey has been the subject of much speculation in the wake of videotape taken of him searching the area where Caylee's remains were found a month later.

Casey Anthony is in the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area near the Anthony family home last December.

Casey said he was following the direction of a psychic who directed him to the area. Both depositions are scheduled for November at the state attorney's office.

George is so interested in telling familyies to take DNA swabs from their loved ones but when the time came for Cindy to give Caylee's DNA she gave them the wrong brush. Can you say Hypocrite.

Prosecutors will also depose Mallory Parker on Nov. 12. Parker was Casey Anthony's brother's girlfriend at the time Caylee was reported missing.

It's unclear what Parker and Lee Anthony's relationship status is today.
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i would ask her what she was doing at the A's the day the news hit that Caylee had been found. Also why she is on the Board or part of the new Anthony Scheme to get money. I think her mom was also on the list of people working on this wasnt she? Wonder how forth coming she will be with information, especially if she is still with Lee and i havent heard that she isnt.

Good Morning trim and TOY, cecilita, Jesse, CasuallyCool, RavenJLS and 10 Guests

Another day closer to Justice for Caylee!!

H Y P O C R I T E!!  And she laughed about saying she thought about giving them the dogs toothbrush!! ::MonkeyMad::

Lol  I thought of Casey too when I saw that yesterday.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hopefully we will get the answers to those and many other questions!!

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: just read it!!  Naw kc would just use some stolen checks!! ::MonkeyWink::

No matter what ... the facts always speak for themselves and the most damning fact of all is that nobody reported Caylee missing for 30 days. That is major.

Good morning, folks!

This is going to have to be a post and run because I've spent more time than I planned reading back posts.

However, I will check back later tonight to see if anyone has an answer to what is confusing me today...

Why is there such a lapse of time from the "announcement" of a plan to depose and the actual deposition?

(What confuses me is that it's nearly TWO months until the deposition of Dominic and Mallory.  Why give this much notice?)

This may be normal but I've never noticed it before......

H Y P O C R I T E!!  And she laughed about saying she thought about giving them the dogs toothbrush!!

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Morning Sunny....yes i know she thought it was a big joke. If indeed KidFinders is selling the DNA testing kits, then we all know why George is promoting it. UGGGG they make me sick

They make me sick as well. I would have some little respect for them if they were aligning themselves with murdered children, but the continue to align themselves with the families of missing children. If I were any of these children's family I would be in their faces all the time.

Today one year ago: Casey was arrested for a third time Monday, September 15 on new check fraud and theft charges. Casey was released shortly after on a $1,250 bond and was again escorted out of jail by her attorney and two bodyguards.

On this day last year I would have been among those cheering Casey's arrest had I lived in Orlando.  I wouldn't have a child with me nor would I use profanities or confront Cindy.  I would certainly cheer as loudly as I could to celebrate her arrest.

I know some here disagree with me, but that's what makes a horserace.

The fact still for the jurors to see is that Casey manipulated her parents and LP to get her out of jail and that she would then help find Caylee because she couldnt do anything in jail...and not only did she do nothing, but Caylee's name hardly came up and did not come up the day she got out of jail, but she was more interested in making dinner for the bondsman. Most people would be out there, crying and looking. How do the jurors get past that. She didnt care one bit about Caylee being gone.

That date threw me as well. The only thing I can figure is that is the first time available to do the depos as this is not the only case the state is working on.

And we have Tracy's statements that every time Caylee's name was brought up, Casey turned the conversation around to it being all about her! Me, me, me.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090916/NEWS01/909160332/1086/Brevard+lawyer+overcame+trials++takes+spotlight+in+Caylee+case
Brevard lawyer overcame trials, takes spotlight in Caylee case
Brad Conway already was an experienced trial attorney in Orlando by the time he met George Anthony, who worked security in the building where Conway lived.
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The two became friends and had lively conversations when their paths crossed. Eventually, Anthony left to work elsewhere.

"When the Anthony case started and Caylee went missing, I saw it on TV but didn't realize it was George," said Conway, 44, who grew up in Brevard County.

When Anthony and another attorney parted ways, a mutual friend gave Conway's business card to Anthony.

"He said he should have called me right from the start," Conway said.

In May, Conway became the second lawyer to represent the Anthonys, grandparents of the slain toddler. He has appeared as the family's legal counsel on nationally televised news shows, including "Larry King Live," "Dateline," "Good Morning, America," and "The Early Show."

The Anthonys' daughter, 23-year-old Casey, remains in the Orange County jail, accused of murdering Caylee. She faces the death penalty if convicted. Casey is represented by other attorneys.

"I want to maintain some sort of semblance of normalcy for them," Conway said, explaining his role in the case. "They are going through the grieving process, which is hard enough, but they have to do it under a microscope."
He said his first order of business was to try and get protesters away from the Anthony household.

"It was mostly 16-hour days for the first two months, trying to get control over the story," Conway said. "These are human beings and people did not stop. The harassment didn't stop really until George tried committing suicide."

Since then, Conway has been the face in front of the cameras or before a judge when it comes to George and Cindy Anthony.

"It doesn't surprise me that he has handled it so well. Brad is a very genuine person," said Orlando attorney Stuart Buchanan and Conway's former roommate. "My guess is that a lot of people who are media hounds are not very genuine, and he is."
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I don't disagreee BB...I would have been right next to you!!

I have faith that jurors will see how she didn't care about Caylee being missing. Of course, the defense will have some PAID EXPERT come in and say she was in shock, denial...or some such rubbish!  Or oh yes, she was fearful for Caylee's safety ::MonkeyMad::  JMO

Or perhaps they want to delay so not to have to let the defense in on what information the prosecution wants from them...JMO and a guess ::MonkeyWink::

thanks trim:  love this statement>>>  My guess is that a lot of people who are media hounds are not very genuine, and he is." ::MonkeyJnBox::

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That's good.    ::MonkeyHaHa::      BTW - I hate your avi.    ::MonkeyDevil2::

I'll change it then.

48 Hours to cover the Anthony Case this fall.

Preview:http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5262971n&tag=cbsnewsSidebarAboveMPUArea.1;cbsnewsSidebarAboveMPUArea.1

Also, didn't LE have to get a subpoena to force leessssy to submit to a DNA profile?  Or do I need more coffee? 

CBB - you scared the bee geebers out of me, using Dolce with child as your avi!   You little  ::MonkeyDevil:: you!

Agree - scheduling issue might be part of the reason, but my number one reason is they know and are allowing time for the potpourri of motions and objections they will get and will need to be heard before the depos can go off.  Esp. DC.

Edit to fix poster name!  OMG that would be really scary if CBB did that!

CBB made me do it.

Here's your coffee, ANJ. Ohhhhhh yeah, I have eyes in the back of my head............    ::MonkeyTease::

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CC:    ::MonkeyEek::


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Is the hearing with Lyons this week still on?

Good morning monkeys  Question  giving the wrong toothbrush to LE isn't that obstruction of justice- if it is-then why no charges against SIN SIN -couldn't the prosecution call her and George as hostile witness

  sorry I meant hair brush

Also interesting that Bozo had taken possession of Caylees toothbrush until recently, he didnt bother to give it to LE.

I would think so, Cherjers!

Why isn't Baez being charged with withholding evidence?  He knew at that point.  Also, didn't he have an ethical obligation to disclose to LE those hidden items after Caylee's body was identified?  His client is/was the primary suspect, on bail, and removed identifying articles from the home and gave them to him.  At that point, didn't he become an accessory after the fact.  Why would your oh-so-innocent-you-all-are-going-to-understand-after-we-explain-it-all-my-client-was-a-good-mom-the-Nanny-took-Caylee-oh-wait-someone-else-did-oh-wait-anyone-else-did-I'm-innocent-a-grieving-mother Client feel the need to hide anything of Caylee's????  I want Baez to answer that one in a court of law and in front of the FL Bar Association.  If you please, ASAP.

P.S.  Would there be DNA evidence on that toothbrush of drugging?

Just for legality's sake:

Self-edit:  He knew then!  IMO, He knew then.

Why else would your client be hiding a box with a missing child's toothbrush and a few other things?  Like that's normal behavior....NOT!  I'm sure every parent of a missing child thinks, "Oh, I have to save their toothbrush in case we find them.  Oh, here...let me quickly go grab it and we'll put in a box and give it to our lawyer for safekeeping.".  Riiiiiiiiiiight.  You know that's their foremost concern.  Uh-huh.  Every parent is so sentimental that they keep every toothbrush their child ever owned- Oh wait, that story won't fly either, huh?

However, your client may very well want to hide that toothbrush if it was in a decomp smelling car and maybe came into contact with some decomp (or may have been bleachy clean b/c it came into contact with some decomp).  Your client might also think about hiding that toothbrush if the DNA matches some evidence found at a murder scene or has DNA that will show drug-use.  Hhhhhmmm...something to think about.

Sorry for my lapse in manners!  Good afternoon, all!  Had just a few to catch up, so I'm off and running again.  Hope you have a great day! BBL, Lord willing.

By this time im sure bozo or casey removed all evidence of dna on that toothbrush. It strikes me that i use to think attorneys and forensic experts were honest. After the stunt with Dr. Lee as the spector trial and now the idiot baden twins who i now see are out to make a buck by testifying, and oh god that awful Kobalenski who is an idiot...the only way you can trust an expert is if they arent being paid.

I haven't seen anything.   ::MonkeyCool::

This is EXACTLY what I thought was gonna happen, back when Baez came out of the A's house carrying a bunch of stuff.  Do you remember that?  It was right after one of the big searches of the home that LE did.  A pic showed Baez holding stuff.  And some of us wondered then, WTH??  What would HE need to take out of that home?  And why?  And would that even be legal????????   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Just have to wonder......... what ELSE might he have?   ::MonkeyEek::

O/T Wyks,I left you a message in musings.   ::MonkeyCool::

Good points, Jesse! 

I used to think the same way, that of anyone, one could trust the attorneys and experts.  Especially the experts.  And especially if they had been paid big bucks, cuz well... I was naive enough to believe that!   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

And then I started following these cases, and reality set in.  Seems the more money that one gets, the more suspect they are.  And that's including regular witnesses too. 

Am thinking of the many who just get their news from what they see on TV, without doing any research or following these cases.  Yikes!  There are likely many who believe that's what is really going on in these cases. 

Example... I THOUGHT I was following the OJ trial and that whole case very carefully.  On TV.  Been reading online about it lately tho.. 'OJ revisted' and things like that.  And found that OMG there's TONS of things that happened, that was never talked on the news on TV.  For example, didn't even know that OJ had an older son, who 'could have' done it, instead of OJ, who 'could have' been covering for his son.  Things like that can change-up a case with the public in a fast hurry, IF it's actually brought out in trial and discussed. 

I didn't follow the Spector case, cuz that man was just beyond crazy-looking.. his hair and all.  lol  So I didn't hear about what Dr. Lee had done until long afterward.  I had up til then greatly respected Dr. Lee.  But now?  <shudders> 

It's a good thing we have forums and online news that dig dig dig into cases.  Or IMO, the greater majority of the public would simply be unaware of what's really going on in these cases.  Only getting what programs on TV are spoonfeeding on any given day. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

But I'm with you, only way to trust an expert is if they are not being paid. 

ty Trimm!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Bolded by me...just had to comment on this as I just got done reading a book entitled Fighting for Dear Life written by the attorney for the Terry Shiavo family.  Now mind you, I have read every book about Terri Shiavo that came out including Mark Furhman's, Michaels, all of them, but the attorney's book was a real eye opener.  He brought up stuff that happened that the news media turned around, things that should have been brought to the public's attention that wasn't; he explained the process of starvation which isn't painless at all and how living wills really are worth the paper they are printed on.  But, after reading it, I had Michael Shiavo even more than ever.  If anybody would like to have the book I can mail it to ya....let me know.

The Anthony case is slow going these days.  What I've come to the conclusion as of right now is that Case definitely killed Caylee, either the night of the 15th or came back to the house the next day when everyone was gone and killed her in the house, hence all the 'house' evidence found at the crime scene; George and Cindy knew a dead body had been in KC's car and when they found KC alive had to know it was Caylee, especially once KC got home and said the babysitter took her, and I believe that the A's knew Caylee was dead laying in the woods.  As in the game clue I believe:
Casey did it
With her hands
In the house

THEY DONT ::MonkeyJnBox::

Example... I THOUGHT I was following the OJ trial and that whole case very carefully.  On TV.  Been reading online about it lately tho.. 'OJ revisted' and things like that.  And found that OMG there's TONS of things that happened, that was never talked on the news on TV.   For example, didn't even know that OJ had an older son, who 'could have' done it, instead of OJ, who 'could have' been covering for his son.  Things like that can change-up a case with the public in a fast hurry, IF it's actually brought out in trial and discussed.

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honestly i think OJ is too selfish to take the wrap for his son. IMO

I was reading here a little and I noticed this I bolded in the article. Didn't Coman start as the Anthony's lawyer on Dec. 11, 2008, the same day Caylee's remains were found?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Not sure if this was posted yet or not:

Motion to strike (civil case)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20907922/detail.html

And it begins:

Tennis:  "The entirety of the litigation is a cynical ad frivolous exploitation of a family's tragedy.  To even treat this as a legitimate piece of litigation is is an Orweillan task."   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I dont think the ONLY contact with the family he has had has been business, as we have heard it seems he was doing some Overtime with Cindy in "private". Lets ask him about that.

Fanny,

If memory serves, we found out that they had a new attorney the day Caylee's remains were discovered & they were flying home from their Larry King appearance, not sure it was disclosed specifically when he was retained.  I am finding it interesting that George worked in that building, notice they mention his yet another job change  ::MonkeyNoNo::   I don't buy a recommendation from someone else for a second.   It did not go unnoticed by me that "Conman" also has more political ambitions including becoming a judge...no shock to me.   And OMG the comment about the media & protesters not leaving his clients alone until George had his suicide attempt only makes one ponder if the "attempt" wasnt a planned stunt which appears to be backed up by how George handled himself when law enforcement found him at the motel & how the Anthonys used it to garner sympathy from the public or a judge.

Its admirable that Brad overcame severe adversity, no stones from me for that BUT its curious as to why this fluff piece was done about him at this time - as far as him professionally representing a client it should not matter a lick whether he's on his feet or sitting in a wheelchair...the article seems to be of the same mindset as to why George & Cindy feel the need to wheel him around while he is perfectly capable of doing so himself.   What I do disrespect him for is his willingness to blatantly lie for his clients & misrepresent the facts in this case. 

I am sure little miss tennis skirt wrote this to appeal to the public who would be reading but, WOW - very unprofessional
Orweillan task
Circus
Drama
Marketing
Marketing again and sign up to get newsletter ............ (tisk, tisk - keep it about the case)
Marketing again and "allowing her lawyer to SELL this very connection to anyone using the INTERNET"   Caps are by me - this is personal and tennisskirt must be afraid of the intellect of internet searchers? LOL
"Had some basis for damages (as unlikely as that looks)..."   <-------- someone tell her to stick to the facts, act professional and let the judge make the rulings.  The commentary - OMG how totally unprofessional!
And her grand finale............
Fishing expedition.

She must want to be on Nancy Grace and JVM again, really bad.

^Yup it read more like an "op ed" rather than a legal argument (minus the sprinkle of case citing)

Is the date at the top the date it was filed? Because it says June. Or does that not matter?

If you scroll to the bottom of the document, it will always be typed submitted on _____ of 20_.   This was indeed submitted (or intended to be submitted) on June 11, 2009. 
Cappy - you trying to keep us on our toes????  I went straight for content! LOL

I believe this is an old document as the it is dated June 11, 2009

BTW - Gizzie, The date at the top is the date it was faxed, so that is why I went down to see what date was the submitted date.  I never trust a fax date as that is dependent on the user, the machine and if that was the actual day and time of whatever a document is about. 

Gizzie I noticed it was signed on 6/11/09

Cappy is trying to keep us on our toes Sunny! 

I got a kick out of the unprofessional nature of tennisskirt anyway! LOL   ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil2::   I was bored! LOL

And you gnawed it quite well!! ::MonkeyTongue::

It wos worth posting cause I got a laugh out of it as well!  You my little legal kitty...gnawed and chewed it up! ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyCheer2::  Something is wrong with me - cause it was FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  you two are cracking me up.

I saw that date too, and that's what I thought! Thanks ANJM!

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