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"Aruba: What Went on Here Paulus?

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Paulus, Jan, Rudy, Nelson. Does this house look familiar? What was Natalee doing there? I don't remember even one of Joran's stories mentioning this place?"

Anyone know what DEETCH is asking? WHere this house is and what it pertains to?

Welcome Magdalene - I believe that home belongs to Lorenzo Van Rijn.  Lorenzo is rumored to be Joran's 1/2 brother.  It's also rumored that Lorenzo holds rave parties and has one of the only basements on the island.  There were even more rumors early in the case that some of Natalee's clothes were found in his basement.  What is true and not rumored is that for some reason Lorenzo is PROTECTED.  We have yet to get a good verified photo of him.

Focus on Lorenzo and this house.

It comes down to the Aruba Dirty Police and Lorenzo.

Well then he must be someone very important to them prior to this case. Can only imagine it would have to do with the big "D" business so prominent in Aruba.......

This may have ben discussed before here.....but I also wonder about the comment...."she wanted to see my big house" (if that comment is true, crap---who knows what statements are true or not---ack!!) Anyway...the BIG HOUSE may have been Lorenzo's......where they eventually went that night, no? In my opinion, Lorenzo's home as pictured is much more elegant and BIGGER than Sloot compound...BUT...Jossy swears and says they did go to Sloots, so I do not know. Damn....so many turns, so many statements (true or not) and so many places of interest. No wonder we are all tired! I still feel so bad for Nat's family, this needs to be solved. Way too many humans hurting over all this.

Nut44X4 wrote


That is a very excellent point Nut . I hadn't thought about his possibly refering to another house as his house. It does answer questions of motive more regarding the 3......it was a means of impressing LVR and all present that night at his "party" with their ability to procure a tourist for them,
and their activities. Last night of Soul Beach may have been some out-of-town big-shots there?

YES..that is what I meant.....Joran was implying that Lorenzo's  place was his. Yeah...possibility...I suppose. I dunno.....it just happened to hit me that way this am when I was catching up here...and the 'big house' was mentioned.

In my part of the Country (USA) the 'big house' is prison, lol..this is not what we are speaking of here.  :wink:

Call me crazy but now, writing about this......thinking in flashes of many disclosures of information over these past months. I feel more sure than ever that this is where Natalee was taken that night. (I am out on a very shakey limb here...holding on tight) .

Could this have been one of the locations wiretaped by the DEA? The conversations overheard by them that night between the parties involved? (was Paulus there? "Imagine your own father") is why the FBI became involved as quickly as they did? They overheard(illegaly?) via wiretap the abduction......These were the wiretaps Bacchus mentioned to
Greta.

If Joran was at the home of LVR he could easily have borrowed a vehicle and returned home(4am?). Deepak  likely didn't stay .......delivered Natalee (and J)to the "party" and left...

I personally, hate to think what may have happened as well...but, I am a huge follower of serial murders and cases of such in the USA and if this house has not been searched...it should be, even now DNA of NAT would be there in some form. My question is, why was this hose not searched before.....or was it? Was it? And I just didn't hear about it?

I think what I recall....and also believe what Dave wrote in his book, is that this house was searched in the very begining. We have since come to know that the term "searched"  has various standards according to ALE. EXAMLE: Sloot house.

In the early stages of Natalee going missing we had much less reason to mistrust  what we were told. This house was searched very early june. Why was this house suspect so early? The mis information campaign seems to continue to lead our thoughts away from this locale.....yet not to J2K directly either. They were the vehicle. ......

Anyone know the general location of this house. Is it near arikok/ Quadriki cave Colorado Light house? South east end?

Search Date: Lorenzo's House

Does anyone know date of broadcast or newsreport indicating Lorenzo's house was searched?  Is there a date reported for the actual search?

bleachedblack -- I believe klaas has map of Aruba w/ location of Lorenzo's house indicated.  

klaas -- do you have that map?

How about this scenario:
One of the "elders" to his son:
"Son, it is tradition. I did it for my dad, and he did it for his as far back as it goes. Now go out and find me a pretty young blond (brunette, redhead, whatever his preference that night) tourist who is on their last night in Aruba, date-rape drug her, drive her around until she is out of it, get her all dressed up nice and sexy looking, bring her to where all of my powerful influential friends' party is tonight, and deliver her to us. When we get through with her, you and your friends can have her too. Oh yeah, while we are all having her you can also take videos so they can be sold.  That will give you some gambling, car or college fund money."
 
Now take and add the statement that he had done it over 20 times, and nothing had gone wrong before. That was just from one boy, now add other boys.
 
The name PIMPS came from a reason, a job.
 
What went wrong this time?
She woke up, and started screaming, and started saying the first thing she you normally would say, "I'm telling". She was awake and had seen them. She could ID them. She could ruin them: they would lose their powerful and influential governmental, judicial, police positions, lose their marriages, and be publicly humiliated. The mob was there. It would ruin the tourism of the island. They can't have that. They could not afford to dump her back on the beach, or the crack houses to turn up later not remembering and having to leave that day, as normal.
 
She had become a liability to all of them and their One Happy Island. So she had to go missing, disappear, vanish forever.  Probably along time there had been others, less fortunate, maybe locals even, who had no one in their life like she had to continue to search for the answers and for her. So, after a month or so, the island would again become One Happy Island, and the "elders" would continue.
 
Ultimately, what went wrong? What made this time different?
They did not count on parents like the ones she had.
They did not count on the media attention she had.
They did not count on the people helping and keeping the case going that she had.
 
How can the people in charge of the investigation solve this case when they and/or their friends and/or bosses are involved?

Lorenzo had 3 houses:
his mansion Savaneta 172, Savaneta (Jaraweg),
his concrete country block house, near Arikok Park near Hooiberg,
and the mansion his mother lived in, which is the ONLY ONE they searched, apx June 16th?:
SAVANETA 123-K, SAVANETA, ARUBA  
 
Lorenzo also had an alibi for why he could not have been out with Natalee:
Max Arendz (the race car driver and his friend) said Lorenzo was hosting a (basically all night)  party at his mansion which Max attended, which gave Lorenzo his air tight alibi.
 
IF the party that Paulus and the elders attended was at Lorenzo's house, and Natalee was delivered there, Lorenzo no longer has an air tight alibi does he.
 
In Lively Case Discussion # 495
Two people (a recall of what DutchLady had said in the past, and Sandy Leiva, our Aruban language translator) both who should know the Dutch better than we do told of a GENERATIONAL tradition type thing. The old (the "elders") have the young deliver young pretty girls to them for their pleasure. Then as the young grow old, they teach their young, and it repeats, making it generational.
 
NOW
Combine ALL of it:
the GENERATIONAL INFO
the DATE-RAPE DRUGS
the PORN filming
 
WHAT SICK TWISTED BUT PROBABLY TRUE FINAL RESULT DO WE HAVE?

As far as the date I'm not sure we know when.  Seems to me it was fairly early in the case between 6/2 and 6/17.  I believe it as around 6/17 that Max and Lorenzo were brought in for questioning.

Here is a map that shows the location of Lorenzo's home:

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The following was posted under the photo of Lorenzo's home at the Arubadirty police website:

Have you ever thought something may have happened to you while on your last night on Aruba - that you may have been date rape drugged, filmed, etc. ?

Do you know someone who has?

Have you ever been at a party at this Aruban mansion before?

Have you ever seen a film, pictures, or video feed from one of these parties?

Do you have access to any pictures or films of these parties that you can send to us?

IF yes, please contact America's Most Wanted.

Provide all the information you can regarding the activities, pictures, films, and parties at this house, or your date-rape drugged experience in Aruba.
Your tips will provide valuable insights, that may make the difference to help solve this case.
To talk to a confidential Hotline specialist, call:
1-800-CRIME-TV.
You may remain anonymous.
All submissions will be treated with the utmost security and privacy.
You may also use our confidential tipline:
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The Natalee Holloway Case

Aruba is a member of Interpol.

Interpol also have activities in the different regions of the world to ensure that law enforcement officers understand the need to act upon requests involving children at risk, and create a global understanding on how to address victim identification and help rescue children being sexually abused and pornographically exploited

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/Default.asp

Dave's Book

  I asked Jacobs to print me out another copy of my statement, and Art Wood came walking in. He noticed a computer printout on the wall about Natalee's case. It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it. He noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumored to be Joran's half brother, was not on it. We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee's disappearance. He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname of Xtacy. Art asked him where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee's case, so he doesn't have to be on the flowchart. We left, and Art commented on Jacob's reaction. There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all along the top of the fence. Apparently, you cannot get into that place. It looks like a prison camp. Since Lorenzo is supposed to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Thank-you Klaas,vms, bighammer ,all who responded to my questions regarding this property.