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(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing2.png)

the right james kelley info is posted in who is who... so everyone will know which one we are looking for info on... have his birthdate, middle name is macajah, and he was born in tx, his parents are there too..

still digging on him now. 

 

can someone please link me to that.. so I can cross reference info from the docs?

Bringing this over, my thoughts and opinions are not important but I think the comments made on TH's facebook are.

Hi everyone,

The RO makes sense now, not sure I am buying all that has been reported but time will tell, seen too many rumors over time, will wait for LE to arrest TH for murder for hire.

Comments under Kyron's project:

TH posted:

Kyron's Red Eyed Tree Frog Diorama for a school project. The "water" is FLARP - a noisy silly putty of sorts but bodes well for this kind of project since it holds it's form and doesn't dry out too quickly.

Added June 1

Pamela Murray
THAT is amazing ... tell hium Good Job ... Looks so professional.
June 1 at 1:42pm · Flag

Nicole Benthin
wooow that is awesome!
June 1 at 5:39pm · Flag

Carol Moulton
Kyron, I am so impressed and Mom says you did it all yourself with just some suggestions from her!
June 1 at 8:33pm · Flag

Kari Ramadorai
Oh WOW! his is great. What a good job!
June 2 at 7:36pm · Flag

Joyce A Brown
That is very beautiful you did a great job.
June 7 at 1:51pm · Flag
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TH posted:
Kyron's Red Eyed Tree Frog Diorama for school. He did the whole thing himself - I just gave him verbal instructions. :)

Added June 1
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TH posted:
The amazing Red Eyed Tree Frog! I helped him with this a little bit - mostly laminating.

Added June 4

TH also posted a pic of another child Kurtis's project, while it is really nice, Kyron's is outstanding, and IMO TH is very proud of his work.

Also in the pics at bowling, Kryon has a very large tan colored shirt on, IMO he likes large baggy shirts.

I am not getting it, on or around June 1st, this "family" is out bowling, well the pics were posted in the June 2010 album, might have been earlier and a few days later this child goes missing.

All appearances in pics anyway, shows a close family. What the hell happened in possibly (if the pics were taken on June 1st) 72 hrs?????????

I agree about Teri in the presser, seemed really strange IMO. But I just can't make the leap at this time. Guess I am a fence sitter so to speak.

I know Teri is considered the SM, but I consider her the nurturing mother having been with Kyron since infancy, good bad or otherwise. He is in a split 2/3 grade class, him being 2nd, which tells me he is in the top of his 2nd grade and worked hard with help from his family. This IMO doesn't happen without a dedicated family helping.

This is just awful, where is this precious little boy? Please someone speak up and bring him home NOW.

Well these are my thoughts and opinions at this time, might change tomorrow.

OS

Interesting posts at OregonLive.com by 'Sincerelyours'.  Here are the posts all on one page.  Supposedly lives in Arizona, yet has local 'info', including about the gardner and the 'Phyllis' some are talking about on the net.  Supposedly has known Terri's parents for 10 years.  Posts on this page go in order from the bottom of page up:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html)



   

Someone has a Theory and it a good one!

(This is not me by the way)

Karen says:

My theory is that Terri found someone to kill Kaine, and in order to pay off the hit man she had Kyron kidnapped for ransom.

July 5, 6:08 PM

http://www.examiner.com/x-50504-Plano-Online-Learning-Examiner~y2010m7d5-The-strange-disappearance-of-Kyron-Horman

I can't find a train schedule any luck with anyone else? Perhaps these sighting coincided with the schedule of passing trains somehow although I am getting a bit lost in the details.. If we can find out when it visits Sauvie island, could be a person hopped on  and planned on meeting this waiting person to take Kyron to???? Maybe she/he was waiting for an all clear to meet up with the train? She was going to exit with Kyron and meet the person somehow and then they were going to hitch a ride? Is there a depot right around there? This isn't making much sense to me right now. hmmm I suppose they could have just taken a car, why a train.
I am interested in learning about this river. I don't see it on the map so not sure how big it is. Maybe a little paddle boat?

also DD do you have a map of the bunkers in the area? I think you had one for Lindseys thread? Just wondering.

Hope I'm doing this right...

As far as I can tell, she was adopted November 27, 1970 according to her adoption search. I'm attaching it for you here:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/terrieckeradopted.jpg)

is that the guy from the facebook?

Isn't there a U.S. rails schedule somewhere? I came across it when Haleigh Cummings first went missing...

I am speechless!

Janet

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Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010

Having my own children, including a 7-year-old boy, this especially resonates with me.  Kryon Horman has been missing since Friday (6/4).  He was last seen at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon.  Please circulate and contact the authorities if you have any information.  Below is an email from Kyron's father.
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From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.       Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

my bunker info in lindsey case came from locals and one of the searchers. 
I do have some old maps that show mine shafts and tailing piles etc... but I'll have to wait til husband has time to pull them up, they come out of his geological databases. 

I found the mcCarthy river on an old topo map.  I'll try to figure out how big it is... did you google mccarthy river, portland oregon... ??? try that, if you can't find anything, I'll try to get to it.

Thank-you, Titch,

Is SM the only Child?

T.Y.

yes it is... I'll try to get to his info soon

Custody Number
01   Admission Number
01   Offense Number
01   Court Case Number
86C21081
County Code
MARI   Crime Abbreviation
ASSA IV   Crime Class
AM   Offense Severity
415
Sent guidelines Ind
N   Crime Description
ASSAULT IV

Sentences

Custody Number
01   Admission Number
01   Offense Number
01   Sentence Number
001
Sentence Type
P   Termination Code
ADMB   Termination Date
Apr 28 1989   Sentence Length Years
003
Sentence Length Months
000   Sentence Length Days
000   Sentence Begin Date
Dec 29 1986   PPS Sentence Length Years
000
PPS Sentence Length Months
000   PPS Sentence Length Days
000   PPS Begin Date
0 0000

Admissions

Custody Number
01   Admission Number
01   Admission Location
MARI   Admission Date
Dec 29 1986
Previous Offender Status

none found   Admission From Location
MARI   Current Status
PROBATION   Release Date
Apr 28 1989
Release Reason
BNPB   Violation Type
Release to Location

Custody Cycles

Custody Number
01   Custody Date
Dec 29 1986   Custody Type
C   Custody From
MARI
Discharge Date
Apr 28 1989   Discharge Type
BNPB

Jim Kelley. On that Friday at around 3:00 PM. Kelley saw a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the road, idle and then turn around. Kelly thought this very odd, but it happened again at 2:00 AM Saturday. What was this lady in the white truck up to? Words of Kelly: That`s beyond rare.

http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/06/16/is-the-stepmother-to-kyron-horman-terri-moulton-horman-being-unfairly-targeted.php

Do we have a birthday for James Kelley?

Oh this was in 1986? I thought it was today. I see know, thanks for the information.

Oops!  Sorry.  I wasn't trying to be misleading.

Can you believe I didn't even think of that? I have no idea... Once I got a bunch of stuff, I went right for Kaine's family. Sorry, anybody else know?

I pulled up that address for 6th ave on google maps and saw what you all were talking about that is railroad tracks.  I followed them on the map and they end up at Quarry Rd Sauvie island.  I pulled the little man down and put him on the yellow road at what looked like the end of the tracks.  I don't know how to post the picture but it doesn't look like the tracks on the side of the road where they should be.  Also on the other side of the road it looks like there is a train loaded with logging cars full of logs.  Maybe if I post this link another smarter monkey can take a look.

Here is the link
<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=embed&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=18212+6th+ave,+Portland,+OR&amp;sll=45.581024,-122.832568&amp;sspn=0.01215,0.027788&amp;g=18212+Northwest+Old+Germantown+Road,+Portland,+OR&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=18212+NW+6th+Ave,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97231&amp;ll=45.630563,-122.864573&amp;spn=0,0.013894&amp;t=h&amp;z=14&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=45.635478,-122.828662&amp;panoid=PjU_NBDQFJ-hcpUgQwbPpg&amp;cbp=12,17.74,,0,19.94&amp;output=svembed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=embed&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=18212+6th+ave,+Portland,+OR&amp;sll=45.581024,-122.832568&amp;sspn=0.01215,0.027788&amp;g=18212+Northwest+Old+Germantown+Road,+Portland,+OR&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=18212+NW+6th+Ave,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97231&amp;ll=45.630563,-122.864573&amp;spn=0,0.013894&amp;t=h&amp;z=14&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=45.635478,-122.828662&amp;panoid=PjU_NBDQFJ-hcpUgQwbPpg&amp;cbp=12,17.74,,0,19.94" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

Who is Harney. ? I did read back, but can't find, too many thought bubbles out there.

Thanks, interesting comments, and now this Phyllis woman makes more sense, if true.

I am thankful that "The Sources" are not bowing to Dictator Kaine's instructions.

Janet

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Affiliate sources: Missing boy's stepmother tried murder-for-hireBy the CNN Wire Staff
July 5, 2010 7:30 p.m. EDT

Terri Horman said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that her husband had "hurt" her, according to the sources.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/05/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?section=cnn_latest

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&gl=us&q=McCarthy+River+Portland+Oregon&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

I searched McCarthy River, Portland Oregon and didn't really find anything. I am not good at finding things in cyberland though.

But found this, never heard about it before. Thought it was interesting....

http://www.examiner.com/x-7360-Portland-History-Examiner~y2009m5d31-Shanghai-tunnel-tour-reveals-Portlands-shady-past

Can I post info I found on James Kelley - birthdate 7.13.59? 

Can't get this to link to anything.

The timeline places Terri at the bus stop at the approximate time that the pick up truck is observed in that remote area.

Janet

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Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html
 

Parents of missing boy Kyron Horman voice fading hope
June 26, 2010

During the Friday interviews, Kaine Horman said he and Terri Horman had gone to the school bus stop together to pick up Kyron on the afternoon of June 4.  When the bus driver told them Kyron wasn't on the bus, he thought the boy may have stayed at the school and expected them to pick him up there. Police were alerted after the discovery that Kyron had been absent from class.

http://www.kval.com/news/97225889.html

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html

Thanks, No Rose... very interesting!

Do you think SM and SM mum are posting?   

It certainly does keep my mind open to L.S., maybe, he is fibbing?  SM fibbing?  May 9,? 

No you weren't I just need to read, lol. Not your fault, it was all me.

In this age of internet forums ... if I had a past that I did not want revealed to the world ... I would hestitate coming forward as a witness.

Janet

yeah that's him

and here is again -

Michael P. Harney To all the media looking at this site, GIVE TERI AND KANE THEIR PRIVACY AND HONOR THEIR WISHES AND WHEN THEY ARE READY TO SPEAK TO YOU THEY WILL HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE. LEAVE THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY ALONE AND THINK ABOUT HOW TRAUMATIC THIS SITUATION IS TO ALL. YOU WILL NOT GET A PULITZER PRIZE OR THE EXCLUSIVE STORY TO PAD YOUR POCKETS!

Yesterday at 6:33pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · View Feedback (14)Hide Feedback (14)
Terri Moulton Horman and 11 others like this.

http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html

Also on that blog -

Nichole Werner-Harney I say let's plaster FB with the flyer. Shall we?

9 hours ago · Comment · LikeUnlike · View Feedback (2)Hide Feedback (2)
Terri Moulton Horman likes this.

Nichole Werner-Harney
Chasity, I'm borrowing yours!
9 hours ago

BTW - Terri clicked on everyone's facebook status - she liked everything.

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Here's the post and below is his reply - I included the original post for reference.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/michaelpharney2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/michaelpharney4.jpg)

Sorry Tracygirl I can't get it to work either and I don't know how to get the picture I have on google maps to post here???????????

I'm not sure why we need to dig up information on Kelley.  He sounds like a good witness to an unusual even and appeared to be forthcoming with his info.

I do believe it's important to see the location of his house and where the white truck was seen by him though.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24149637/detail.html

Possible Plot Doesn't Surprise Ex-Police Capt.
Source: Terri Horman Tried To Hire Landscaper To Kill Husband

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:05 pm PDT July 5, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A landscaper's allegation that Terri Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband didn't come as a complete surprise to a former Portland police investigator.

Retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen said the allegation that surfaced Sunday gave insight into the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

"Mostly, what it did, is it kind of opened up a little bit and gave kind of an idea of what could have been the motivation behind Kyron's disappearance," Jensen said.

A source told FOX 12 that stepmother Terri Horman offered the landscaper money several months ago as part of a possible murder-for-hire plot. The same source suggests Kaine Horman filed for divorce and restraining order last week upon learning of the allegation.

The order aims to keep Terri Horman away from the 19-month-old child she shares with Kaine Horman.

"You can't just be cavalier in asking for a restraining order," Jensen said. "You have to have very, very specific information that someone is in danger."

(Snipped)

OS

whoa ROB... I suppose you know a little history about all that you just posted???

if Michael P Harney has any connection, well hmmmmmm is what I say...

and not saying any more on that note

Evening Monkeys & welcome to Titch!

TY Wyks for the article, I found this very interesting - 'The police do not want anyone to know, she had her little girl with her when they were at the science fair. It might look odd, if she really had done something to him for the little one to be present.'

We have all been wondering where Kitty was. If this is true, it does put SM in an entirely different light [for me anyway.]

Hope everyone had a safe and memorable 4th!

Gotcha.  Thanks.

From the article I posted:

I think that this case is destined to be a made-for-TV movie," Jensen said. "It is one of the strangest cases that I've seen in 30 years."

OS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8199.msg1177785#msg1177785

Tracygirl
Scared Monkey

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   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10
« Reply #1971 on: July 05, 2010, 07:07:03 PM » 

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So could the person have been waiting for someone and it has something to do with the train? can we find a schedule for the train? 
 
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the sighting may have been one of these type of co., if there is no R.R. yard
there, that means the crew were deadheaded,at their 12hr shift, train stops
at their 12hr shift, even if no yard, i worked for a co that did this back in
98, 2x i had to drive remote no turn around and back out where i was about a
 mile and going down hill, not steep though, at 2-3 am
http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

search
train crew limo service

If true that Terri had her daughter with her then I really do doubt she would do anything infront of her.

Not really what I was thinking but very well could be! Thanks for posting! How do we find out if this is what could have been happening? When do the 12 hour shifts begin and end?

yanno, I'm still not there yet. It doesn't usually take alot for me to think someone is guilty of a crime. Heck, I usually start out thinking they have committed a crime and then try to prove they didn't. I know, lol, strange.

But I'm not convinced that Terri was having an affair with this landscaper. Only one person called this relationship an affair / lover. Everyone else has it simply a murder for hire plot - even the woman that broke the story for the Oregonian said that on a FOX interview today. No one has call this guy her lover. Well, one person has. But no one else yet to my knowledge.

Do I think Terri is or was having an affair - yep. But I don't know who with yet. She cheated on her first husband - or maybe that was husband number two - either way - she cheated before. She was probably cheating again. You know the ole story. Once a blah blah blah...

I don't like Terri - she drives like a lunatic, probably with kids in the car - and she was DUI'd with James in the car. But I have a hard time putting all this together as a kidnapping the step son / kill the husband plot just yet. I think she is a jackass. I'm just not sure that her previous record gets to killing a lil boy / killing her husband or some type of convoluted criminal conspiracy. She sure has two faces - no doubt about that.

We keep digging up more stuff and maybe eventually there will be that lynch pin that tells me Terri did do all this. But for now - still on the fence. Just for the record - I am in no way defending Terri - I could care less about her, but I do worry badly for Kyron.

A Michael P Harney also had a restraining order filed in 2005 in Oregon.  This guy is no stranger to the law.  Lots of stuff on him.  Although, I guess, if I am understanding correctly, in Oregon when someone files for a divorce a RO is typical?

which ever train co. that owns/leases out use of those tracks
check there freight/and or if Amtrak uses them their schedules

From experience, often if not most of the time, when two people get divorced it's not a happy time.  Often they are fighting.  Not unusual for RO to be issued but I don't know if it's standard in Oregon.

Michael P Harney Facebook Info page. I didn't highlight anything. Also, with FB, I sometimes need to remove Tool bars to get the whole shot - so this time I tried ctrl + (-) minus and hopefully this is still legible.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/michaelpharney5.jpg)

ok time to go look at michael harney's photos... I want to see his arms  and the back of his clothes  LOL

I would be wayyyy less inclined to believe she did something to Kyron with her daughter there - that would be off the charts whacked.

SM is the "Golden Child":) LOL.

Thanks OS

My hubby's defense attorney nephew (Shhhh) is one with retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen.  There has to be a credible foundation to draw on  for a judge to give an immediate approval for a restraining order which alienates a child from a parent.

Janet

found some rail links, if i find anything ill post

http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

search
train crew limo service

Oregon Pacific Railroad
http://www.oregonpacificrr.com/

Welcome to the Rail Division
http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/RAIL/

railmap
http://www.trainweb.org/oregonshortline/railmap.htm

http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/oregon/oregon-railway-map.html

http://www.railamerica.com/home.aspx

from my personally experience there was a ticker tape parade, a 30 day bender, and a new wardrobe for me. lol

who says these things always end badly. < smirk >

I agree Tracygirl.

Could Sauvie Island be that location where Terri handed Kyron over to another person?  Has Tanner's stepmother been questioned ... that stepmother who left the Island following the disappearance of Kyron?

Janet

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Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

I too, am not convinced there was an actual affair between the landscaper and Terri. Not yet.

Yes, she apparently cheated on husband #1:

But I am still staying on he side of the fence that Terri had something to do with Kyron's disappearance.

YW Janet,

I also agree with Mr. Jensen when he said this:

"I think that this case is destined to be a made-for-TV movie," Jensen said. "It is one of the strangest cases that I've seen in 30 years."

OS

I agree in regards to restraining orders between adults.  However ... I cannot comprehend a RO being issued preventing contact between a parent and a child unless there was a credible foundation of concern regarding the safety of the child ... not just heresay.

Klaas ... this is why I believe that there is stuff in the sealed RO that is going to blow the lid off this case.  IMO.

Janet

Janet - in this case and the speed in which the RO was obtained and the fact it covers not only the baby but also James I agree with you 100%.  The judge did not grant this on just heresay or even as a safety measure since Kyron is missing.  He would not have included James.

It is the strangest case in the five years that I have been associated with the SM missing persons' forums.

Think about it.  All witnesses have been instructed by Kaine Horman not to talk to the media and ... law enforcement calls a press conferences but the spokesperson (Sheriff) "cannot comment" ... "cannot comment" .... "cannot comment" ....

Janet

i wondered about this,riverdaleschool is in new zeland, sorry lost the map link
Terri Currie,Tracy Horman maybe a common name

http://connect.in.com/terri-horman/photos-1-1-1-37c6790604a291b9eee46354e3233c51.html

Support Staff:

Karan Robson, Maryanne Smith, Annette Stonham, Kelly Chrystal, Karina Hunter, Kristan Kearney, Jaala Brayshaw, Tracy Horman

link Tracy Horman near bottom of pg
http://riverdaleschool.wordpress.com/contact/


found in,and JMO some of these pics are suggestive of premeditation
http://connect.in.com/terri-horman/photo-gallery.html

Civil Forcible Entry in 1998 - Michael Harney
Petition for Abuse Prevention in 2003 - Michael Patrick Harney - Eva
Petition for Abuse Prevention in 2004 - Michael Patrick Harney - Eva
Petition for Abuse Prevention in 2006 - Michael Patrick Harney - Darcie

just my opinion - but legally I'm not sure that the two are really tied together. I mean it could show Terri's state of mind in the Kyron case, but I would think legally - the RO is separate from Kyron. She hasn't even been charge in that case, so whatever happened with the RO it must stand on it's own merits.

just my opinion.

Klaas,

I wonder if it's in the 911 calls, since they have been sealed. That's what I'm thinking anyway. Media can't get them.

OS

just to add - it seems to me that Terri has two heap loads of legalities hanging on her head - not one that is some how all tied together.

she's gonna be busy for a while. lol

Me too.  However ... it is my hope that Terri has not harmed the stepson who she has raised from infancy ... the stepson that photos and testimonials imply she loved with all her heart.

Janet

looks like 2005 was his best year in that stretch.

thanks New Monkey

You are aware that most of those photos have nothing to do with Terri Horman don't you?  I've tried to tell people every time a link is posted.  Those are automatically farmed links where they will find photos on any site that mentions Terri Horman and add the picture there.  Not sure how to better explain it. 

For instance, if you have a FoxNews website where there's a photo of OJ Simpson but also an article about Kyron and Terri, you might end up with a photo of OJ Simpson.

YW, Rob.

He had a DUI thrown in there somewhere, too, but I can't remember what year.  Definitely no stranger to the law and maybe a bent towards violence?  Can't say that unequivocally, though.

OS - yes, I'm sure the 911 calls would clear up alot for us and that's why they are sealed.

that's what I don't get. She takes Kyron to the science fair, takes all those pics, pics of other exhibits, tons of miniature golfing, and family pics - she does all this dotting on Kyron and her daughter - yet somehow has a kidnap / murder plot on her mind. That will make the hair on your neck stand up.

she sure looks like a good mom from the pics - but that too can be deceiving. Terri is almost like an after thought for everyone in the family (imo) - she is in very few pics herself.

hard to believe a woman that has raised a lil boy as her own would harm him. hard to believe indeed.

heh .. I am surprised connect.in does not draw photos from ads on the pages as well!

(Maybe it does.)

ok thanks klaasend good to know

Janet,

I know, I have never been so wishy washy in a case before.

IF Teri is involved, she will end up in my book as the most despicable human on earth. So calculated and evil, there are just not enough words.

I usually try to go by facts, but dang it, can't seem to find many in this case. Sure hope LE knows what they are doing.

I think 2 teachers said they saw Teri leave with Kyron from the school, that pretty well seals the deal for her, guess they are just getting all their ducks in a row, crossing I's and T's.

Maybe this week, we will know. Hope so.

OS

I think she set it up that.  I think she chose the SF day, took pics and staged the whole damn thing.

Rob,

That's where I am coming from too. just hard to believe, very hard.

Maybe just a monster, the likes we have never seen before, dunno.

OS

( snipped )

I hear ya OS. I feel the same way.

With the ducks / row, I would think that her defense attorney will be using little mister Tanner as his star witness and absent any video - well, it's gonna be a tuff call.

I think the police need to place Terri somewhere - and by that I mean somewhere not associated with her normal routine and not her lovers house (should she have one) they need to pin her down to an area where she can not squirm free. It would obviously help if there were a body and she was associated with that area.

I'm not so sure that her exit is the ultimate pinnacle of guilt or innocence. It can be disputed and with no other witnesses that we know of yet - it would all be hanging on eyewitnesses that had a lot on their hands and could have been mistaken. Eyewitnesses are often mistake and I am just pointing out what a defense attorney may state.

I really believe the police think Terri did something to Kyron - it's rather apparent and they would love to arrest her, but in the back of my mind - they are not able to lock up what would be a strong case. Right now, the case is not close to airtight. That doesn't mean that they won't arrest her anyway, just that they may have a hard time getting a conviction.

ditto, makes you wonder how that kind of evil came about in what seems like
a few short months from, the LS for hire to kyron missing, makes me think
 something big happened in the summer of 2009, to want, to hire a kill in
the fall for your hubby

as others said, just not even show up. Kill a child, place him in a seat belt and wreck his side of the truck into a telephone pole. There are easier conspiracies in my humble opinion. This one has alot of moving parts and well, the wheels flew off soastospeak.

a staged accident at home is even easier.

If she did this - and I say IF, there has to be a motive that we just don't know yet.

jmo

Rob,

That's where I am coming from too. just hard to believe, very hard.

Maybe just a monster, the likes we have never seen before, dunno.

OS

Hi NCSunny and thanks!  Well not an article, just comments by one poster under an article.  :)  But yes, what is said about Terri having the baby with her at the sci fair and all day, that's interesting, if true.  And could be likely true, as was also said is that LE has this on store videos during the day. 

Cuz if true, it would look odd, considering how LE seems to be trying to portray things. 

And if things happened differently than how LE knows it to be, and are portraying it to be... would that mean a frameup? 

If any of us were a witness to something that happened differently than how LE is reporting... who would we go to, to report that? 

The media.... the comment sections of the news articles... forums, and such.  Yeppers.  I would.

IMO.

I think she thought she was too smart to get caught.  She goes to school with Kyron, takes pics of him in front of SF project, lets folks see her and Kyron there, likely sets it up when 8:45 bell rings for Kyron to come outside and off they go.  She thinks she's set this up just perfect.

What are the chances this is an abduction by a stranger?  The timing would have had to have been pristine.

Hi Monkeys. I haven't posted in this thread, but have been lurking....one thing that always seemed odd to me and I want others opinions.  On the day Kyron went missing, dad was working from home. Apparently, both mom and dad (and therefore, younger sister) went to the bus stop to meet Kyron. That just strikes me as odd. If my husband was going to meet my son, I would stay home with my daughter or vice versa. In my neighborhood, entire families do not go and meet the bus. I thought this seemed very staged. Am I off base?

Considering all that is listed under 'other'.......... and considering how likely it is that this guy is rather passionate/vocal about his beliefs.........

Would it be a leap to think that someone somewhere with plenty at stake, would want to shut this guy up?  And to what lengths might that someone go? 

Rob,

Honestly, the video I saw of Tanner on BOC, I found him credible. I have to wonder if there was a volunteer that day to help in moving the children and that is who he was referring to, not a sub like School says was not there. Might be more of his story I haven't seen or heard, but he described/talked without missing a beat IMO.

Hard to believe someone in a small area, out and about goes unnoticed.

I live in a small area, got a phone call one day, "saw your husband going toward hospital is everyone ok"? umm no, he is working near there. Everyone knows everyone, but no one saw Teri that day that I have heard. She takes him to school in the car, but LE is looking for her in a white truck.

Making my head spin.

OS
 

Just because I strongly believe Terri is responsible for disappearing Kyron, I am not saying she has harmed him.  I'm simply saying she may have handed him over to someone as a threat to Kaine.

i often wonder how that went
dad prob hardly ever meets the bus
maybe he says kitty and ill go
TH says oh what a treat for kyron we will all go
IDK, just wonder why all 3 went

I can't even imagine what could have happened. It is very unnerving to think someone like this could be breathing amongst us. It is downright scary imo. IF that is in fact what happened to Kyron.

Taking an affair, son moving out into account, neither IMO could cause something so evil and premeditated.

OS

So to play that out. . . where is the lil guy?  Did someone panic and kill him?  Is he still stashed somewhere?  To whom would she turn him over? 

My mind has gone to some really dark places.  I am definitely fearing the worse.  It doesn't make sense to me she handed him off to someone or else I think he'd be back by now. 

i see i didnt finish my thought

IDK, just wonder why all 3 went, as that looks like the loving close knit fam
 that is portrayed, yet we have a hire for murder, and kyron missing

Hi mgo, long time no see!  < waves >

Yes, it seems really odd to me as well.  We've heard from Kaine that they had plans to go for ice cream after he got off the bus.  Yet still, that doesn't explain the entire family showing up to pick him up from the bus.  If anything, everyone hops in the car and go to pick him up from school, then off to get the ice cream.  Would make it more fun for him I would think.  They walked to the bus stop tho.  Was that to establish an alibi of sorts?  This is the strangest case ever.  IMO. 

OMG, trying to keep an open mind...
What about if...Say...Maybe landscaper guy was hung up on Terri bc maybe she was fooling around with him previously but tried to back away from him, in the meantime she became involved in something with Brian Pumala, landscaper dude gets po'd & takes Kyron not even realizing he's not Terri's bio son, maybe landscaper dude made up the whole thing about Terri wanting him to kill Kaine bc he's trying to get back at her for empty promises of an affair gone bad, and maybe Ann Pumala moves to Arizona bc she found out about the cheating...maybe Terri is being blackmailed? Maybe the white truck that was spotted was landscaper dude's truck & he was scouting out paths between Terri's house & Pumala's boathouse.

Then again, maybe it was Terri.

Not everything that the psychic poster has said has been dead right, starting with when she said the date she started posting & that we the reader could go back to when they started posting on the 5th...they started posting on the 12th? You can tell that they added things to their posts as things were released in the media. I'm usually completely open minded. I absolutely love forensic astrology, dreams, psychic stuff - only bc I think it's interesting...but I don't think that poster is on the up & up & they may have a hidden agenda. Still, I'm being open minded & have been looking into what they post. It's interesting to say the least. I wouldn't doubt that she's known Terri's parents for 10 years but if that's the case then shouldn;t she have seen this coming...if in fact she's adadamant about being fully correct in her psychic abilities? Probably shouldn't discount anything until it's proven Kyron is alive or deceased one way or the other...

Thanks for the welcome everybody. Oh, and Wyks, I absolutely LOVE reading your posts! You're so dedicated & thoughtful! It's an honor to be here. I sear I'm not sucking up, just stating a fact!

Now lemme go see what Blink's been up to tonight... brb...

Hi mgoblue

I also got a hinky feeling regarding that scenario but ... I just put it down to "different strokes for different folks" and ... let it go.

In this household it was the LOSER at a game of "Rock, Paper, Sissors" who picked up the kids from activities that did not require parental involvment.  Hubby and I never felt the need to do it "together".  LOL

Another hinky feeling is that Terri has never spoken in any interview.  If there is nothing to hide ... why not tell the world all the itty bitty details regarding her last moments with Kyron and ... why not answers media questions.  Apparently Kaine had instructed her to be silent.  Why?  I assume it is her attorney who is doing the instructing.

Could it be that Kaine has the need to be in control of Terri's every word, action and contact?

Janet

Janet: I agree with your post. I get the feeling hubs is setting her up. That being said, I reserve the right to change my opinion LOL.

Klaas,

I have never known you to be wrong about a case, going back before SM.

I am certain you are right about this one, I just can't wrap my brain around it yet. Like everyone here, I am just so damn angry that this little boy is missing.

I will never understand what gets into someone's mind resulting an innocent children being harmed. And whether he is alive or not, he was/is being harmed.

OS

Kaine certainly appears to be the one that likes calling the shots. Could that be bc it's all he has control over now? Maybe he feels stripped without Kyron so he's controlling everything around him now? Or is there something else. I ddk...the more I look into his family, the more he bugs me... I'm with Rob on this one. Something's up with Kaine. All I know is if my kid was missing, I'd detail everything about myself & my surroundings & announce it to the world in the hopes that no stone would be left unturned to find my children. Why aren't they being forthcoming with even the silliest details, let alone the ones that could potentially matter...like being RELATED to a SEX OFFENDER?

OS

I believe that others saw both Terri and Kyron that morning but ... Kaine has instructed anybody with infomation not to talk to the media .. just law enforcement and ... law enforcement has no comment ... no comment ... no comment ...

However ... the Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby did confirm that teachers did observed both Terri and Kyron on the mornnig of June 4, 2010 prior to 8:45 AM.

In the Caylee Anthony's case .... transcripts and tapes of suspect and witness statements as well as 911 calls were release lickity split.

OS ... have a cuppa green tea ... no more spinning head.

Janet

+++++


THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

THE BACKPACK - THE COAT

Instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

THE PHOTO

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. .....

THE WITNESSES
 
Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

THE WITNESSES

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28


Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

THE CELL PHONE RECORD

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

Hey Wyks,

I completely agree with you, which leads me to my original thought. I don't think Kaine knew Terri drove Kyron to school before Kyron left for school on June 4th. I was thinking he just assumed Kyron rode the bus. Maybe Terri told Kaine she took Kyron to school early in the morning bc Kyron wanted her to see his project all set up or bc he wanted her to see the Science Fair with him before everyone came in & it got crowded. It was going around that someone on Sauvie Island witnessed Terri in her Mustang followed by a white truck barrelling through the roads, even said that one of the vehicles veered off the road so they took the plate # & called it in. Has this been verified bc if it has I haven't found it?

Now, something I can't get out of my head...Masons. It bugs me that kristian is just in jail. It bugs me that he's only in there for 6 months. 6 MONTHS! When researching their lodges & members, I saved a bunch of pictures that show them working hand in hand with several authorities in various venues. My grandfather was a Mason, worked at DuPont's for many many years, was chief of Fire & Rescue in my hometown, he volunteered for everything & involved himself in tons of charities. It's a brotherhood just as much as a fraternity is with a major university - you'll always be protected. Ok, now that all that is explained, is it possible that Kaine is being overlooked & receiving preferential treatment?

In my eyes, it's still pointing to Terri. I'm attempting to be objective...but what about if it's neither of them but a product of both of their many indiscretions? Nothing's adding up & Kyron's still missing. It makes my heart ache.

Son and Dil just popped in for a quick visit and ... I talked them into a game of Scabble.

Maybe answers regarding Kyron will be forthcoming tomorrow.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
7:50 PM PT

Janet,

TY for the suggestion, going for tea right now..

I did read that the PTA President Zimmerman (think that's her last name) saw them also, not leaving just there at the school.

OS

I think that's the problem, CW... I think 'PLAN A' was to present this family as a loving, close-knit family. 

When some things got out in such a way as to throw that picture to the public askew, seems there was a scramble for 'PLAN B', which was something like, 'ok well maybe we aren't so close-knit, but we're still a loving family, see??'  And out comes Kaine who explained how he walked his wife and daughter to the bus stop in order to meet the bus, and then they were gonna go get ice cream.  (what kid wouldn't be thrilled with that, just before having dinner, see how loving we are?)  ... nevermind that no one else (not even Terri) had mentioned Kaine's having been at the bus stop that day. 

When other things got out in such a way as throw that picture to the public askew, seems there was a scramble for 'PLAN C', which was something like, 'ok well maybe we actually aren't so close-knit or loving, but we're a family, see??'  And family sticks together.  Well, except that we're actually three against one.  And out they come for a 'media event', with Terri as the target.  Pointing fingers, she knows something she needs to tell.  (Meaning that 'we' don't know anything, we have nothing to tell). 

Seems to many of us that there's something more major going on than a child having gone missing (if that wasn't bad enough!).  Something needed Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C in place.  When that didn't work... seems there was no Plan D and all holy hell broke loose. 

Now maybe we'll get to the truth.  Or not.  Maybe we'll never know... until/unless someone who does know something starts talking.  That's the only thing that will bring this whole charade to a screeching halt. 

Poor Kyron.  I'm hoping he's still alive.  So when I hear, 'bring Kyron home'......... Which home?  Which parent?  Couldn't even begin to guess which would be best for him, if any. 

IMO. 

Nite Janet,

have fun.

Think I'm gonna lay back and just rest my weary bones.

OS

I'm wondering if the psychic poster is Allison Dubois.

I agree to the set up, big time.  Just cannot figure out how it's going down seemingly with LE's blessing.  That just boggles my mind.

As as for you changing your opinion... LOLOL  You're in good company!  :P 

 

Guess some of us aren't as speechless as you may be Janet, cuz we've ermmmm seen this and talked about it at great length.  I know several of you were busy then tho.  I'm all talked out on this at the moment.  Well.. no I'm not.  LMAO.  This email from Kaine is what helped me to start looking in his direction, seeing his apparent need for control. 

Sometimes I think it might be a good idea to have our discussions by subject, along with a daily thread.  Cuz a lot of good discussions are lost along the way, getting buried in threads that many don't have time to wade thru. 

Hi Monkeys, jumping in here.....They may have all gone to hear about how the science fair project went over...Was there a telent show as well? Or is that not right?

I think that is a good idea, Wyks. 

The funny thing about this whole weird case is that I wasn't on the fence at the beginning, and now I am.  It is beginning to look like too much of a setup, and Kaine's actions bother me a lot!

I'm not so sure that Terri had the baby with her that day, wouldn't at least ONE witness have mentioned the baby? Not a single mention that she was with mom....

Where's Kyron?

That is really interesting!!  Do we know if she is for real?  Interesting, have to think about it all for awhile.  Thankyou for sharing that.

Why did he feel the need from the start to avoid MEDIA????  sorry but if my child/loved one even my darn dog was missing the MEDIA would be the one to put the word out.  I remember hearing on June 4th-6th on a report that the family would not speak to the media, and that struck me as so out of the norm....in hindsight ??was he having an affair, was HE hiding that, what happened in May with the landscaper and the 911 call, why was that sealed right away when Kyron vanished into thin air.  Something is so not right her, sorry the step mother is just too obvious. I don't get it at all...where is this adorable little boy? 
Question did the birth parents ever go out and search?  Visions of Caylee Anthony coming back....

So, I am waffling about my opinion also.
Landscape guy did not come forward on his own, according to NG program. LE found him. Then, he comes up with this story. Kaine knows nothing about LS guy ??
Terri has hired a big name criminal attorney. Well, getting a RO lifted is a job for a criminal attorney. There were some sort of threats made, according to who, Kaine?
Or his gf ? Kaine didn't want LE looking at his laptop. Kaine didn't want ppl at his work speaking to the media. Probably everyone in the office knew the water cooler chat  about the affair with his co worker. 
..
I don't like the way just info pointing at Terri is coming out and there are too many questions about Kaine I would like the answers to. Like how far away is his work from the school ? He doesn't go to the science fair, but he can take off and work from home that day. Or was it the afternoon ?
This could be twisted either way and maybe more will come out when and if Terri tries to get the RO lifted.
Why don't I like either Kaine or Terri ? Wife ill, goes for treatment, gets better, no husband and babysitter marries husband. Gets visitation with kid. Guess she could have fought that, but maybe still not on her feet at the time.       

O/T

Another child missing

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_7fb32622-88ac-11df-ba71-0017a4a78c22.html

Mo. child disappears from front yard

Police in Louisiana, Mo., have issued an Amber Alert for Alisa Maier, 4, who disappeared tonight.

Alisa was playing in her front yard with her brother when a black four- door passenger car pulled up and took the child from the yard about 8 p.m., according to police.

Alisa is white with brown hair and brown eyes and 3 feet tall. She was last seen wearing a white T-shirt and blue jean shorts.

The only description of the driver of the car was that he was a young white man with dark hair.

Anyone with information about the abduction is asked to call the Louisiana Police Department at 573-754-4021.

Louisiana is on the Mississippi River, about 80 miles north of St. Louis.

OS

Klaasend has started a thread for Alisa in the Missing Person's Forum.  Link to Alisa Maier's thread:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8221.msg0#new

Hi Monkeys!

I've had to read a lot to catch up with this case............. and I'm sure I've missed some things.

I'm more confused than when I started about what I think happened, at this point. Usually, when following a case, someone emerges as the bad guy, even if the bad guy is a total stranger and has no name yet. This case is confusing. I was sure the stepmom knew what happened and that Dad didn't. Now I'm not so sure. Geez......

One thing does seem clear to me. Tragically, I do believe Kyron is no longer with us. That's the one thing that seems to have emerged in my mind, and the one thing I hope I'm most wrong about.

I think we are all confused.  I'm just hoping that Kyron is tucked away someplace and being taken care of.

How is it that Terri was in the white truck that day but there were reports of a mustang driving erratically on Sauvie Island? (mustang story from first thread) How did Kaine get to work? Do they own more than "two" vehicles?

New story on Blinks page:

http://blinkoncrime.com/  (http://blinkoncrime.com/)
 

Well........... that's a twist. I really need that "confused" emoticon!

Klaas? I share your hopes for Kyron!!

Titch,
Yep, I think it's very possible that Terri could be being blackmailed, maybe even stalked by this guy.  Hopefully it will get all worked thru and a resolution made, like an arrest, and Kyron brought safely back. 

And thanks for the kind words, that's very sweet of you to say.  :) 

Hi everyone! On page 98 of the last thread Brandi posted a picture of the location where the white truck was spotted twice in 1 day.  About mid way down, on the left there appears to be some building that looks like it has semi-trailers in the lot.  Does anyone know what this is?  One of my first thoughts was, was someone trying to get to this place?  It appears that there's a road behind the house at the dead end.  This looks like it could be taken to get to that bldg.  Sorry I didn't post the pic but don't know how to when it's on another thread? I could see myself being confused on having to get there with those directions.  Appears the "actual road" doesn't show on this map. 

Even if Terri is guilty, I have to voice my observations about the fact that the RO is sealed with instructions from the judge for neither party to disclose any information about it. I have never seen such a thing happen. Information has been leaked, such as Terri having an affair and attempting to hire that man to kill Kaine, yet Terri is not allowed to speak about the RO, which may well be about the murder-for-hire.  Um, when was the 1st Amendment changed?  Freedom of speech….especially since those against Terri seem to have such a right, why the hell shouldn’t she? Oh, we’re being selective today in who gets rights and who doesn’t. This is a public trial being held without the rights of the accused being adhered to.  Terri is not allowed to speak, yet someone gave LE the right to put out info implicating her in a murder plot? Let’s review the most important document that was formed specifically to protect you and I from government abuse:

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

Unless they have hard evidence (which they don't because she'd be arrested by now) they have trampled over this woman’s rights. Even if she is guilty, this case makes my skin crawl.
Of course finding Kyron is the most important thing, but I will not stand by and watch this LE inspired public humiliation at the sacrifice of anyone’s Constitutional rights. I am tired of the sensationalism in this case. LE does not get to decide who is guilty. That is up to a jury of one’s peers.  Make an arrest or shut up until the grand jury has decided to indict. I am disgusted with these tactics. What if you or I were falsely accused?  How would you feel about these tactics? What’s next?  A public stoning inspired by another LE leak?

I'm not so sure that Terri has been told not to talk about it, I imagine her attorney doesn't want her to.  Just because the judge has sealed the RO does't mean that Terri was told not to say anything.  NOW, the RO is against her and likely doesn't have good things to say about HER.  Like I said, her attorney is likely instructing her to keep her mouth shut.

http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE-AUDIO--Landscaper-Acted-on-Lead-From-Ter/7620648

Jeremy Scott Reporting
jeremy.scott@alphabroadcasting.com

A day after word breaks that the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband Kaine, another landscaper tells KXL that he followed up on a third-party lead.  Identifying himself as Zach of All-American Cleaning and Landscape, he says he called and emailed Terri Horman several times with no response in late April and early May when she was looking for "yard clean-up on a medium-sized yard". 

(snipped)

Audio at link.

OS

Interesting, this guys sounds legit.  So it does appear that Terri was looking for a landscaper.

Hi Titch,

Verified?  lol.. Not much in this case has been verified without there seeming to be an 'unnamed source' doing that.  Seems all we can do is bring the info we hear, and taking said info with a big bag of salt til we find out for sure if it's true or not. 

But yeah, sometime back in the threads a couple of us posted what that person was saying in another forum.  She seems to be a respected poster over there, says she lives on Sauvie Island, supposedly knows the one who is the witness.  Says the witness has said it was reported to LE, as well as the license plate info, etc.  Later on the poster saw the witness again, who told her that LE hadn't followed up on that info until just before they started searching out there.  The witness told the poster that the red mustang had been seen around 11a on that day. 

My guess is that it's true.  Even tho it's hearsay.  Do we know for sure if this person or the witness is legit?  Heck no, just like anything else we read in forums, we can just tuck that info away as 'might be a rumor' until such a time that we find out that it did or didn't happen.  Funny thing about 'rumors', info given from folks who are supposedly local, or who has knowledge from those who are... Some of what is said does turn out to be true, and some is the furthest from the truth.  Hard to know which is what at the time tho.   

I understand what you are saying about Masons.  That's an area am gonna bow out gracefully on, hope you understand.  Will leap straight to your question, and say yesssssss!!  I totally believe that.  And it may take a good deal of thinking outside the box on this whole case, to see what really may be going on. 

I believe things are pointing to Terri because one or more want things to appear that way, for whatever reason/s.  Nothing is adding up because IMO things have gotten effed up along the way, by someone, somehow.  And that wasn't in 'the plan', whatever it is.  I see some desperate folks here.  Desperate to coverup something major, much worse (in their opinion I guess) than a child having gone missing.  But that's the way I see it.  There is a saying, "If you can't convince em... confuse em."  Seems that's going on as well, soon as those 'in charge' realized the public isn't as gullible as they had hoped. 

:P  dang.  lol

Kyron's Parents Answer Questions
(snipped the important ones, more @ link)

Q: The Sheriff spoke out on Friday and said Terri Horman has cooperated throughout the investigation but was insinuated in your statement that she has not been cooperating-please explain.
A: We believe that the Sheriff’s statement could have been misinterpreted and possibly reflects Terri’s cooperation to participate in prior weeks during the investigation. The statement was directed at historical cooperation not current cooperation. Based upon information we have received from briefings it is our understanding, and continues to be such, that she has not been cooperating. We have been briefed by law enforcement and we have not received a response since our request for her to fully cooperate with investigators to assist in bringing Kyron home. We continue to issue our plea of her FULLY cooperating with law enforcement and the investigation to help bring Kyron home as quickly as possible.

Q: Trying to clear up so many reports that have been out there: Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?
A: Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.

Q: When is the last time Kaine saw Kyron?
A: KAINE – I last saw him at about 7:45 am. He was coming back to the house after feeding our cat (Bootsie) and I was heading out to the car to head into the office. I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair. We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said “I love you”. He said “I love you too, Dad”, at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left. While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son.

Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?
A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

Q: Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?
A: KAINE – There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.

Q: Do you all still feel strongly that the investigation remains on track?
A: Yes, we feel the investigation continues to be on track and progressing toward finding Kyron. Every action we take is for the sole purpose of expediting the investigation and search for him and to bring him home as quickly as possible. Some actions can appear as distractions but our purpose, all efforts/actions, and our focus remain unwavered until he is home and safe.

Q: Kaine are you able to confirm anything in the Oregonian story that was in the Sunday Paper that says it was discovered by police that Terri had attempted a Murder for Hire Plot?
A: We are unable to comment.

Q: Do you receive daily briefings? If so, how are those briefings delivered to you?A: Yes we receive daily briefings or more frequently as needed, the delivery method changes based upon participant locations.Q: What would you like to see happen in the investigation that hasn’t been thus far?
A: As Kyron’s family we have only one goal with the investigation, we only care about Kyron coming home to us soon.

Q: Have you been asked to take polygraphs? If so, did you take them?
A: Yes, all 3 of us have taken polygraphs and have voluntarily undergone any and all sessions with law enforcement and will continue to do so as long as it takes to bring Kyron home. We wake up every day and check in to proactively see what else we can do to help with the case and to find Kyron. We are relentless in this focus.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

yes, confirms it for me.

I tried to look up the service magic site but don't know how to look up classified ads, probably not there anymore anyway.

OS

And he loved her too and called her mom....

Thanks Claycat!

And very true about the fence, lol.  Am the same with this case, back and forth.  Guess one of the problems is because just when we convince ourselves ok, this is it.  Along comes something else out of left field, which seems to change the circumstances.  I'm getting whiplash!  :P 

They didn't say they saw her leave with Kyron, they said they thought they left together. We don't know they left together and we don't know why they thought they left together. Did they wave? Were they by the door? Were they by a car? Did someone say they left together and if so who? Obviously Kyron didn't have his coat and backpack so not sure what made them think they left.

Very well said, Peace, IMO.  Thank you!! 

I for one, can't wait to see Terri come out swinging.  lol

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. He said it was common for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

That's all I can find right now, I missed the word "thought."

OS

It gives me chills to think that TH may've shopped around for someone to off her husband.  If no one was willing to do it, did she think she'd find someone willing to get rid of the Kyron as a way of hurting Kaine? 

Did you all read Blinks new article? Interesting Terri calls the police to come help her when she is faced with a man she supposedly was trying to get to kill her husband and he is demanding 10 grand...Would a person guilty of this call the police or would they try to work this out themselves? I pretty much think calling the police and identifying the man is the last thing Terri or anyone would do.

I don't believe the landscaper as it sits now. (Of course like everyone here I reserve the right to change my mind, lol) I think this man is setting up Terri, perhaps someone is paying him to do this to Terri? 

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_family_press_mot.html

Kyron Horman's family describe day boy disappeared, press mom to cooperate
Published: Monday, July 05, 2010, 11:01 PM     Updated: Monday, July 05, 2010, 11:04 PM

The last time Kaine Horman saw his little boy was 7:45 a.m. on June 4. Kyron had just come back to the house after feeding the family cat, Bootsie, and his Dad was heading into work.

"I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair," his dad recalled this evening.

"We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said. 'I love you.'"

"I love you, too, Dad," Kaine heard his son say.

They were the last words he has heard from Kyron.

Kaine Horman's recollections were included Monday as part of a group email response from Kaine Horman, Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, and stepfather, Tony Young, to The Oregonian and other news agencies. The new details came after reporters submitted questions to them earlier in the day.

(Snipped)

OS

Isn't it interesting that they thought they left together..What made them think they left? Did they see them walk out the door, or wave goodbye or say they were going to leave? Kyron didn't have his coat and before 9AM in Oregon, I am thinking you would need your coat. Someone could have told them that Kyron left...
There is another quote by a school employee not (Kyrons teacher) who says they saw Kyron at a later time (from the his teacher) but this didn't mention Terri being with him. I don't know where that is right now, it is somewhere in these threads.

Well I find Tanner credible from watching his interview, so not sure what to think about teachers and what they said.

OS

Watching NG's show tonight.

They are saying Teri hired the landscaper back in Nov without Kaine's knowledge. Then Zack says he responded to an ad she put out in April.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/05/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Missing 7-Year-Old`s Stepmom Reportedly in Murder-for-Hire Plot

Aired July 5, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: We begin tonight with breaking news out of Portland, Oregon, in the disappearance of a 7-year-old little boy vanishing from his own elementary school. The stepmother says she walked the little boy to his classroom after a science fair, but he`s never seen again. Again, reportedly, police insist the stepmother take a second polygraph. Kyron`s father files for divorce. He takes out an emergency restraining order and then moves out of the home with a 19-month-old baby girl.

Major developments tonight. Listen to this! Just when you think it can`t get worse, reports are emerging the stepmother -- yes, the stepmother -- tried to have Kyron`s father killed. Sources are telling CNN affiliates Terri Horman offered her landscaper a large amount of money to murder her husband. And it`s all just months before 7-year-old Kyron goes missing. The alleged murder-for-hire plot revealing why Kyron`s father abruptly moved out of the family home, now in hiding with their baby girl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of missing 7-year-old Portland boy Kyron Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We would like all of you, everyone to continue to get his face out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source tells CNN stepmom Terri Horman allegedly tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s the last one to see her missing 7-year-old stepson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Source claims a landscaper hired by stepmom Terri Horman told police Terri Horman offered him a large sum of money to carry out the murder-for-hire plot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bad situation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The source says police even recorded a conversation between the landscaper, Terri Horman and an undercover cop on June 26th.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We pray each day for Kyron.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That very same day, Kyron`s father was told of the alleged murder-for-hire scheme, causing him to move out of the house and take the couple`s 19-month-old infant with him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with investigators to bring Kyron home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" on the trueTV network, in for Nancy Grace. I`m back from Lima, Peru. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Breaking news in the disappearance of a 7-year-old little boy vanishing from his own elementary school. Reports are emerging the stepmother in the last several months tried to have Kyron`s father killed in a murder-for-hire plot.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stunning developments today in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seems to get stranger by the minute here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: CNN affiliate reports a source claims Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the scrutiny around her intensifying by the minute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A landscaper hired by Terri Horman allegedly told authorities that Horman approached him six to seven months ago and offered him a large amount of money to set up the hit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source tells KGW, our affiliate in Portland, that his stepmom, Terri Horman, allegedly lied to prosecutors.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kyron is still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: KGW also reports stepmom was not where she said she was the day he vanished and reports the two polygraphs she took were inconclusive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not only that, but a sources says police allegedly recorded a conversation between stepmom Terri Horman, the landscaper and an undercover cop that happened just last week.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are working with investigators daily to bring Kyron home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri Horman has not been arrested or charged for this alleged incident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone`s a person of interest. We have not named any suspects in this case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And straight out to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer, joining us live from Portland, Oregon. She is there at the elementary school of little Kyron Horman. What is the latest? What are you hearing there in Portland?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, huge revelations, just as you said, Jean. According to CNN affiliates, we are now finding out that Terri Horman, according to sources who spoke to our affiliates, hired a landscaper, and in the process of this landscaper doing work for the Horman home, she also approached this landscaper offering him a large sum of money to kill her husband, Kaine Horman.

Now, according to sources, what Terri Horman told this landscaper is that she was in an unhappy marriage. She said that she had suspicions that her husband, Kaine Horman, was having an affair with a co-worker at Ntel (ph). Now, Jean, this is significant because just last Monday, Kaine Horman not only filed for divorce, but he also filed a restraining order against Terri Horman. Now, what we do know, according to Oregon law is that in order for the restraining order to have gone through, he needed to have shown evidence of immediate danger against him. Now, what sources are telling our affiliates is that that immediate danger was this murder-to- hire plot with the landscaper.

CASAREZ: OK, Natisha. Yes, you`re right. So much is coming together here. Facts are making sense now. Do we know how much money that she allegedly offered this landscaper to murder her husband?

LANCE: We don`t know how much money, Jean. But what we are finding out, according to the sources who spoke to our affiliate, is that investigators were able to find this landscaper because throughout their investigation, they`re talking to people who had contact with the Hormans prior to Kyron`s disappearance and after. Well, in that process, that`s when they made contact with this landscaper and that is when he revealed that about seven months ago is when Terri Horman approached him with this plot.

CASAREZ: All right, to Matt Zarrell, NANCY GRACE producer. Let`s talk about this landscaper for a minute. First of all -- I`ve got a lot of questions, but first of all, did he go authorities or did authorities find him?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, authorities found him because the major crimes unit was investigating and looking at anyone in relation to the family, anyone that had any connection to the family. His name came up. He was hired by Terri Horman allegedly last November, without Kaine Horman`s knowledge, apparently.

CASAREZ: OK. Without his knowledge. So she hired this landscaper and her husband didn`t know about it?

ZARRELL: Yes. And police found that very interesting. And that`s part of the reason why they wanted to go talk to him. And when they talk to him, that`s allegedly when they learned of this murder-for-hire plot.

CASAREZ: OK. Now, the 26th of June was a week ago Saturday. Very important day. I want you to take us through, Matt, step by step by step what happened.

ZARRELL: OK. Now, we know from sources telling multiple CNN affiliates that what happened was is that police were able to tape an alleged conversation between the landscaper, stepmom Terri Horman and an undercover cop. That was also that Saturday, June 6.

We also know that that was the same day that, allegedly, Kaine Horman was made aware of this murder plot by cops. That is also the same day he moves out with 19-month-old Kiara. That night, there are two 911 calls from the Horman home to police. We know now that Kaine Horman was not in the home during those calls.

CASAREZ: All right, Natisha Lance, live in Portland, Oregon. This is amazing information, Natisha. You have just told us that our CNN affiliates are reporting that the stepmother in all of this allegedly tried to hire the landscaper to kill her husband? Now, a week ago, the 26th, Matt just said, the landscaper was wired up, consented to be -- to do that. Tell us more about that.

LANCE: Well, Jean, just as Matt said, the landscaper was wired up to go through this conversation with Terri Horman. Apparently, she did not take the bait. She didn`t give any information that would lead police in any sort of direction.

And it`s also important to point out here, Jean, she`s still not being called a suspect. She`s still not being called a person of interest. But it does play very interestingly into the disappearance of Kyron Horman because now what sources are telling affiliates is that this leads to a motive for her possibly doing something with Kyron.

CASAREZ: And let`s remember the focus is still to find little Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old that was at his science class the last time he was seen, that had very thick glasses -- which just really gets me.

Let`s go the lawyers, Anne Bremner, defense lawyer out of Seattle, Washington. I know you do a lot of work in Portland, Oregon. I`ve got a lot of questions for you. And Doug Burns, defense attorney extraordinaire out of the New York jurisdiction.

First of all, Anne Bremner, when we look at that emergency restraining order, so many questions last week. Why did he get it? Why did police allegedly tell him, Move out of the house now? Well, one of the conditions was that she couldn`t see her children and that the stepmother, Terri Horman, could not see and could not be around firearms.

ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Right.

CASAREZ: That`s a key right there, Anne.

BREMNER: Yes, it is a key. Sometimes, you can see these, you know, generally in an order. But the fact that this is involving children, firearms, et cetera, is, you know, something else went down besides this whole murder-for-hire information that led to this sweeping order of restraint. She can challenge it, of course, but right now, it stands as it`s stated.

CASAREZ: To Doug Burns, defense attorney. When they wired up the landscaper on the 26th, a week ago Saturday, they didn`t only want to find out about an alleged murder-for-hire plot. They wanted to find out about Kyron Horman -- Horman, the little boy.

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, no question about it. But it does behoove me to point out that a lot of times in murder-for-hire cases -- and I`ve actually been in one as a prosecutor and one as a defense attorney, so I have both perspectives -- somebody basically runs their mouth -- I`m not excusing it -- in anger, I want to kill him. Trust me when I tell you, Jean, they wired up the person and they did not get a meaningful conversation from her. So that means the case is very weak. And remember, she wasn`t arrested on that.

However, they should leverage her with the threat of that to try to figure out what happened now.

CASAREZ: And however -- I got the law, and the law says that it`s merely the intent of Terri Horman.

BURNS: Right.

CASAREZ: It`s merely her intent of what she really wanted. And if you couple that with now a little boy is missing and she was the last person to see him, doesn`t that give more strength to the murder-for-hire plot?

BURNS: Well, yes, no, I think that`s probably true. But again, murder-for-hire cases, I`m just saying, in the real world are incredibly leaky (ph) because what happens is people do show disgust and anger. And typically, what happens is they put either an undercover law enforcement person or an undercover cooperator in there, and they start kind of egging the person on.

Natisha used an interesting term, and I`m glad she did -- She didn`t take the bait. OK, think about that for a second because the point is, they went back to her and said, Remember how you said you wanted me to do A and B, and she was not on board at all. So it`s weak on that front. As far as the other aspect with the child, that`s a whole different discussion.

CASAREZ: No, I think you`re right. I understand what you`re saying.

I want to go very quickly to Bruce McCain. He`s a former captain of the Multnomah County sheriff`s office. That`s the sheriff`s department that is investigating this case. He is also an attorney. Your thoughts on this, about solicitation and murder for hire? Very difficult to prove, even in this case?

BRUCE MCCAIN, ATTORNEY, FMR. CAPT., MULTNOMAH CTY. SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, Jean, again, we don`t exactly know what we have, other than the landscaper`s word. But this was, obviously, going to be part of this affidavit with the restraining order. And there`s more than just the landscaper`s word if this Multnomah County circuit court judge not only issued the restraining order but also, by the way, has sealed the affidavit from disclosure to the media and the public. And the consensus is here is that because this is a separate class A felony not involving Kyron, but involving Kaine, that the district attorney here could actually leverage that against Terri Horman to try to find out what, if any, role she had in Kyron`s disappearance.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for Kyron Horman getting more national attention, focusing primarily on Kyron`s stepmother, Terri Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s the last known person to see Kyron before he disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kyron`s family are asking the community`s assistance regarding anyone who may have seen Terri Horman, his stepmother, and/or the truck that she was driving.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just have this overwhelming feeling of (INAUDIBLE) I feel guilt for not being there to protect him!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source tells CNN affiliate that stepmom Terri Horman allegedly tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say Kyron`s stepmom brought him to school Friday morning, took this picture of him at Skyline`s science fair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kyron never made it to class.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last person to see Kyron alive...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He did not show up to his first class.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Last person to see him alive...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kyron is still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It absolutely breaks your heart as you hear her say, We believe Kyron is alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This just might be an unsolved case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace tonight. Just when you think this is a missing persons case, a little boy -- and it is -- where is Kyron Horman, 7 years old, thick glasses, last seen at his science project at school -- but now police are telling our CNN affiliates that the landscaper was actually solicited by the stepmother to kill the husband. I mean, that`s like what you hear on "Desperate Housewives," but this is allegedly real life.

I want to go back out to Bruce McCain. He`s a former captain of the Multnomah County sheriff`s department there in Portland, Oregon, standing by live with Natisha Lance. You know, it just takes probable cause to arrest someone for a crime. Is it better that they not arrest Terri Horman and maybe say Terri Horman is not a suspect or a person of interest at all -- is it better to not arrest someone like that or to arrest them? Because time is of the essence to find this little boy?

MCCAIN: Well, Jean, this is kind of a chess match right now because, as you know, it only takes probable cause to make an arrest, but the district attorney is working very closely with the investigators here. And a DA, of course, has a much higher burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt for every element of that crime. So at this point, they may have enough to arrest but they may not have enough to secure a conviction.

On the other hand, it`s often advantageous, if you have somebody that you`re not really that concerned about committing an additional crime, to simply let them run and see where they go and where they lead you because if they were to arrest Terri Horman right now and lodge her in the Multnomah County jail, any attempt to have surveillance on her 24/7 would be limited to their jail conversations and letters, and that may not be very helpful at this time.

CASAREZ: All right, but a little boy is missing. Kimberley in Arizona -- we`re taking your calls live. Hi, Kimberley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. First of all, I have to say welcome back.

CASAREZ: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I actually have two quick questions. The first one is, do they have surveillance on the school property for not just this but for future incidents that may occur? And also, has she taken her lie detector test? And so do we know the results?

CASAREZ: All right, really good question. Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer out there in Portland, Oregon. I don`t think this elementary school is like it is in Lima, Peru, right? Surveillance cameras at the school?

LANCE: No surveillance cameras at the school, Jean. And also, another thing that people been pointing out throughout this investigation is about Kyron -- no automatic attendance system also at the school. Now, there`s over 80 schools in this school district. This was not a school that had any type of attendance issues. So when Kyron Horman was marked absent in his classroom, there was not a phone call that was made home. So it wasn`t until 3:45 that his parents found out that he was missing, then called the school, and then the school called 911.

CASAREZ: Right. To Kevin Miller, investigative reporter, out of Boise, Idaho, tonight. Kimberly also wanted to know about polygraphs. What can you tell us about those?

KEVIN MILLER, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST (via telephone): Jean, she`s taken two. And this in from the CNN affiliates, that her performance after several hours of polygraphs, the sources have told CNN affiliates that she`s being evasive. And they`re taking a look at her computers, as well, to once again try and hone in on that timeline from what she said to what the reality of the evidence that the officials have.

CASAREZ: To Sue in Iowa. Hi, Sue. Good evening.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, sweetie.

CASAREZ: Hi. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really wondering how long the science fair was scheduled. Was it scheduled at the beginning of the school year or just months ahead? Because she had opportunity to plan this way ahead. If she wanted to kill her husband and planned that, did she have the opportunity to take the chance to plan to take him when everybody was going be around, there was nobody -- I mean, there was the public going to be in that school, which is really...

CASAREZ: Sue, I know exactly what you`re saying, and I`ve the expert to answer it, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler." A wrench has been thrown into all of this in one sense because we see a modus operandi, allegedly, of trying to put a hit on your husband. But now we see a little boy last seen with you, now disappeared. What do you make of it, Pat?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Yes, Jean, I think this caller has a point. If we look at this murder-for-hire, if it were true, that would show that she does plan things ahead of time. Maybe she did, if she was involved in this, plan to have Kyron go missing that morning, bring him to the school, know that there was nobody around, pull him back out, put him in the truck, drive away and said, He was there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They believe that Terri Horman has these answers.

GRACE: ... begging the stepmother to please help police!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was the last person to see him alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I haven`t seen one scintilla of evidence linking her to this criminal offense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: CNN affiliate reports a source claims Kyron`s stepmom, Terri Horman, tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They need to get her story straight.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace tonight. Well, CNN affiliates are confirming through their sources that the stepmother, Terri Horman, in all of this, allegedly asked the landscaper that she`d hired without her husband knowing about the landscaper to murder her husband several months before little Kyron went missing. It`s all coming together. It is breaking in Portland, Oregon.

I want to go out to Matt Zarrell, NANCY GRACE producer. Here`s what I want to know. Was the stepmother ever confronted with this murder-for-hire plot? Was she ever asked, Is it true, Is it not?

ZARRELL: Well, what -- from what sources are telling CNN affiliates is on that same day, June 26th, the day of the alleged recorded conversation, they confront her about what they have. She turns around, she denies it. She says, I had nothing to do with it.

CASAREZ: OK, she denies it. Now, what about these 911 calls? It`s the same day, right, June 26th?

ZARRELL: Yes. Exactly. At 5:17 PM, the first 911 call is made, threats on the property, our reports. Cops do go to the home a few minutes later. The issue is allegedly resolved. And then about five hours later, about 11:39 PM, second call`s made to 911. This is termed a "custody call." This call, officers were not sent out. The issue was resolved over the phone. But sources are saying that Kaine Horman was not in the home for either call, leading everyone to believe that stepmom Terri Horman is the one that made both 911 calls.

CASAREZ: OK. Very interesting. To Paula Bloom (ph), clinical psychologist, a blogger on Huffingtonpost. You know, this is getting more confusing as we talk. And I don`t want to lose focus. This is a little 7- year-old boy that has been missing for a long time. Police still believe he could be alive.

One thing I want to ask you is, if there`s any truth to her wanting her husband murdered for money, could the little boy be alive? Could the motive be different here, to keep the little boy alive until the other plot can be carried off?

PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I think the motive could be completely different. I don`t think that you can make an assumption. I do think, though, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. So if she`s somebody who`s had the ability to plan something like this, then this is somebody who has the ability to do lots of different things.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is such a mystery.

GRACE: How does a 7-year-old little boy go missing from his own elementary school classroom?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They certainly have focused the investigation on Terri Horman.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A reliable source tells News Channel Eight Terri Horman has refused to answer investigator`s questions. And she`s been evasive on a polygraph.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Terri Horman, who`s in the middle of a divorce from Kyron`s father, has been under intense scrutiny since Kyron disappeared June 4th.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The source also confirms cell phone records indicate Terri Horman lied about her whereabouts the day Kyron disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She told police she last saw him walking down a hallway to his 7th grade classroom.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: He is never seen again.

DESIREE YOUNG, MOTHER OF MISSING 7-YR-OLD BOY, KYRON HORMAN: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The heat is on and she`s got a great lawyer.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" on the truTV network in for Nancy Grace tonight.

Straight out to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer on the ground in Oregon. What is the breaking news out of the Portland area and why should we believe the landscaper?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that`s a good question, Jean. But the breaking news out of the Portland area is Terri Horman hired a landscaper and in the process of that landscaper working for the home, approached him with a large sum of money asking him to murder her husband Kaine Horman.

Now, Jean, it`s important to point out this happens seven months ago. And this landscaper never came forward. He was found through investigators. So I think we do also have to question why didn`t he come forward at that time if this is true, which is sources are telling our affiliates it is, and Terri Horman, according to what Matt Zarrell was also saying earlier, had denied these allegations.

CASAREZ: We are taking your calls live tonight. And with Natisha out in Portland, Oregon live is Bruce McCain, former captain Multnomah County Sheriff`s Office that is the division that is investigating this. He is also an attorney.

Mr. Bruce McCain, thank you so much for joining us out there. You can give us so much insight. And I want to ask you, why would somebody lie? Why would a landscaper lie that he was solicited by Terri Horman to commit murder?

BRUCE MCCAIN, FMR. CAPTAIN, MULTNOMAH CO. SHERIFF`S OFFICE, ATTORNEY; AT SCHOOL WHERE KYRON LAST SEEN: Well, those issues of credibility are things that obviously a defense lawyer will look at down the road. But right now the investigators and the district attorney are also looking, is this a credible witness?

And the key here as we hinted on earlier is, is there enough with this landscaper`s story to possibly indict Terri and put that class A felony hanging over her head unrelated to Kyron?

Under Oregon law, it would be Terri that would be simply accused -- charged with solicitation. If the landscaper actually agreed, he`d be also part of a conspiracy. But there`s no indication that he agreed so this place is a one way solicitation on behalf of Terri Horman.

CASAREZ: To Anne Bremner, defense attorney out of Seattle, Washington. Also does a lot of work in the Oregon area. How did this come down, do you think? Investigators, obviously, must have gotten a sworn statement from the landscaper describing what he says --

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right.

CASAREZ: -- allegedly happened several months ago, so close in time to when Terri Horman is the last known person to be seen with little Kyron Horman.

Do you think law enforcement went to the husband and imported that information? Just tell us how you think it went down.

BREMNER: I do. I do. And that`s what led to the chain of events, Jean, where he`s wanting a divorce, restraining order, and everything else that`s getting her of their lives.

But, you know, I have to ask myself. I`ve handled murder-for-hire cases. I have a victim in one right now. You know we have a lot more than just a story. And the fact is, you know, this happened six, seven months ago, and you think, who do you go to for a hit-man. You go -- you know, to someone that`s like in the mafia, someone who`s in the crime world, or do you go to the lawn and leaf guy?

I mean this is just something that you`ve got to kind of look at in defending Terri Horman, and say, you know, wait a minute, you know, it`s curiouser and curiouser here with the facts as they`re stacking up right now.

But we`ve got to look at everything independently. And in terms of looking at this fairly, Jean.

CASAREZ: But to Doug Burns, defense attorney out of New York. One thing that a restraining order says that she cannot be around firearms. It doesn`t say she can`t be around knives or explosives or toxins but firearms. There`s a reason for that. Can`t that go back to the landscaper and what he`s saying in the story?

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, not necessarily. I mean a firearm provision is very, very standard. I don`t know if she owned any firearms. I wasn`t catching that in what you were saying.

But again, not to be a broken record. We don`t know any amount of money. The guy sits on this for seven months, letting the person who is supposedly in threat of death walk around with death hanging over him.

I mean you can detect my obvious sarcasm. And the fact of the matter is, they then wire him up against her and there`s just nothing there. So again, I apologize for being so harsh on this, but this is a very weak murder-for-hire case.

CASAREZ: Well, it`s a good point because the little boy was missing for weeks. It was front page news and the landscaper didn`t come forward maybe out of fear.

To Donna in Michigan, thanks for holding on. Hi, Donna.

DONNA, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi. I love you, Nancy. And I just want to say my husband and I were foster parents for 17 years and we had one child for four years and they had to leave.

I`m wondering if maybe she hid Kyron because she was afraid of losing him, because if she got divorced mom would get him? If he dies, mom would still get him?

And also can you say a happy birthday to my daughter? She`s 14.

CASAREZ: Happy birthday. What`s her name?

DONNA: Caylee (ph).

CASAREZ: All right. Happy, happy birthday.

Pat Brown, criminal profiler, that`s a wonderful thing that Donna is saying because that would mean the little boy is alive. Could this be a case where she`s was hiding the child? She raised him from near birth.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Right. I mean it`s always a possibility. And we can hope that because that would be the greatest answer. It`s possible.

But I want to talk about this landscaper dude. Anne was saying, why would you go to that guy? Well, heck, you know, a lot of these guys that do landscaping, fixes around houses -- not saying this guys does. A lot of them get those jobs because they`re easy to get.

You have a criminal record, you can`t get hired by a company but you can put out your card. I hired a gutter man. As soon as he came to my house, he told me he`d be in the pen for 15 years for murder. So hey, I had a guy right there if I wanted to knock somebody off a little. Even happy to do it for me.

So I can`t say he`s not the guy. And the other thing is, he may not have come forward because he did have a criminal background. He wasn`t too keen about talking to the police. So we don`t know yet whether she did or did not actually make this offer.

But we can`t say that she didn`t. And that she may have also said hey, I`m not taking that bait. I only was joking about it. Well, that, if she said she was joking about it, that might be interesting.

CASAREZ: Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer, standing by live in Oregon. What more do we know about the landscaper and Terri Horman. Did they have a relationship? Did they e-mail? We believe that police may have the computer of Terri Horman. Even her cell phone. I mean how much of a relationship was there?

LANCE: We know very minimal about what their relationship was, Jean. But we could possibly -- there could possibly be e-mails, there could possibly be phone exchanges between the two of them or could be text messages.

We do know that investigators are looking through Terri Horman`s e- mails. They`re looking through her phone records. So it is a very likely possibility that if these conversations did happen with this landscaper they would be documented.

CASAREZ: To Bruce McCain, former captain of Multnomah County, if they had this documentation of this murder-for-hire, why would they put the wire on the landscaper a week ago Saturday? Wouldn`t they have enough for an arrest?

MCCAIN: Maybe not. This will be more for corroboration, to make sure that they actually -- again this gets back to difference between probable cause for arrest and gearing up for a DA to prosecute.

CASAREZ: How about getting information --

MCCAIN: There`s nothing --

CASAREZ: -- on the little boy, Kyron Horman? How about getting information on record, on a phone with him wired if they`d spoken about murder before? Wouldn`t officers think that maybe he -- she`d be more willing to talk about Kyron?

MCCAIN: That`s actually I think the point here all along, is that this murder-for-hire plot fell in the lap of the district attorney and they now have a powerful lever that they can try to use with Terri.

But her antenna are obviously up. So when a landscaper shows up, perhaps having not been around for a while and starts talking about that particular topic, Terri`s antenna obviously went up and she just clammed up.

So that may have been actually kind of a clumsy move but it was certainly worth the effort to try to find Kyron. Because don`t forget, one missing person that nobody is really talking about here is if Kyron is alive. He`s not with Terri. He`s not with Kaine. So the question is who is he with?

CASAREZ: Right.

MCCAIN: That`s the silhouette with the question mark that we haven`t found out yet.

CASAREZ: Right. Which leads me to Dr. Panchali Dhar, MD, internal medicine, author of "Before the Scalpel." Thank you so much for joining us tonight.

You know, if he is safe somewhere, a little 7-year-old boy needs care and attention. But if he is alone and wandering, it is a month now. Could he be alive?

DR. PANCHALI DHAR, MD, AUTHOR OF "BEFORE THE SCALPEL": It is very possible that he is hidden. At the very minimum he`s going to need food and water to survive because without access to food and water he would be dead in about three to four days with absolutely no food and water.

Now let`s say he was involved in a struggle with Terri Horman. If you take a good look at Kyron`s picture, he is clearly farsighted which means he has difficulty seeing near objects. If he were to lose his glasses or they were to break, he would become disoriented, confused and the poor boy at 7 years old would not know where to turn for help.

Kyron, if he were left in the woods, perhaps, by Terri, could be hurt by insects and in that part of Oregon there could be wolves and bears and foxes that could attack him. He could have been stung by a bee and died from an anaphylactic reaction. Maybe she`s hiding that. So we have to look at all of these possibilities.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Four days after Kyron disappeared, his step mom posted on her Facebook page, "Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn`t get home until 8:00 p.m. tonight."

The next day (INAUDIBLE) investigators found Terri and Kaine Horman leaving their gym after a workout.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: Kyron is still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And our belief on what we have to date is there is no indication whatsoever for us to believe other than the fact that Kyron is still alive.

YOUNG: We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terri has an attorney. And based on the fact she has an attorney there are certain aspects and ways that we communicate with her from this point forward, we have to follow those protocols.

YOUNG: We pray each day for Kyron.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone is a person of interest. We have not named any suspects in this case at this point.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" in for Nancy Grace tonight.

Terri Horman is not a suspect. She is not a person of interest. She has not been arrested. But CNN affiliates are confirming that law enforcement sources that she allegedly solicited to hire her landscaper to kill her husband. And this would be several months -- just several months -- before little Kyron Horman went missing.

I want to go out to Kevin Miller, investigative reporter. First of all, have there been inconsistencies that are noted with Terri Horman`s story. And if so, what are they?

KEVIN MILLER, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Jean, there have been inconsistencies according to the sources from CNN. Cell phones have been very particular when you`re talking about where and where she`s been during the day Kyron disappeared.

They seem to indicate that she may not have been where she said she was that day. That`s been a source of, you know, discontent there with the police and with Terri Horman.

Also, several hours of polygraph, sources have told CNN that they indicate that she was being evasive and they`re taking a look at her computer, who she was talking to before and after Kyron`s disappearance to find out who she was talking and whether that matches up with her story.

CASAREZ: All right. Let`s go out to the callers. Karen in Iowa. Hi, Karen. Good evening.

KAREN, CALLER FROM IOWA: Hi. How are you tonight?

CASAREZ: I`m fine.

KAREN: I was just wondering, in the clip that they`re showing of Terri Horman leaning towards the parental mother and then towards her husband, she just seems to be clingy but not really engaged with her eyes.

Has anyone really analyzed that clip for her body language?

CASAREZ: Well, let`s ask a clinical psychologist. Paula Bloom, clinical psychologist, blogger for the "Huntington Post". You just saw that video and Karen in Iowa makes a very observationist point. What do you think?

PAULA BLOOM, PSYCHOLOGIST: People cope with things in different ways and I don`t know that I can look at sort of the angle of her head and decide she`s guilty or not. I think, you know, people cope in different ways.

One of the things I want to talk about, though, is the thing about the gym that`s been talked about so much.

You know when my father passed away, my brother was a few weeks before the Boston marathon. OK? When he found out that our father passed away he went for a run. I don`t think it means he didn`t care about my dad. It`s -- what people do when people are health conscious, a lot of times that`s their first instinct.

So I think a lot of assumptions are being made based on those kinds of things.

CASAREZ: All right. And they always are. And many times I think that it`s used later in court as that state of mind, that consciousness of guilt, but you`re right. People do react in various ways.

Alberta in Tennessee, hi, Alberta.

ALBERTA, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Hi, Jean. Welcome back.

CASAREZ: Thank you.

ALBERTA: My question is pertaining to the photograph of Kyron standing beside his science project, from the brief glimpses that they have shown of that picture, it`s usually a close-up. And I haven`t been able to see anyone in the background. It`s my understanding that there were supposed to be a lot of people at that school that morning.

CASAREZ: You know, Alberta, you`re so smart. That is, I think a fabulous question and to Matt Zarrell, NANCY GRACE producer, is that not what I asked you, Matt, before we went on the show?

I said I want to know when that picture is taken. Is it date stamped and how do we know it was taken the morning of the science fair? What do you know?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, I haven`t seen a date stamp on it but we do know that investigators have released this photo as part of the flier for Kyron so they probably believe that it is him in the photo.

But what`s interesting is, it appears that this photo was taken as they`re setting up the science fair project. This is for the whole school so each grade -- 2nd grade, 3rd grade, 4th grade -- they all have science fair projects in their own classroom.

Now after Kyron was done with his project, him and stepmom Terri Horman went to a number of other different classrooms to see the other projects. He wanted to see a couple of the other projects. That`s when apparently the bell rang and he starts to head towards class and stepmom waves good-bye.

CASAREZ: You know, and to Alberta in Tennessee, there was a question here that was sent by law enforcement to all of the parents who have students at that school and there`s a section for them to fill up and the students for them to ask their kids the question, did you see Kyron that day? Did you see Terri Horman? When did you see them? Where did you see them? Did you see Terri Horman leave? What vehicle did she get into?

So many questions because those eyewitnesses are going be key, Alberta. And we don`t know the answers to that yet. Because they haven`t released them.

To Bruce McCain, former captain of Multnomah County Sheriff`s Office and also attorney.

I want to ask you, CNN affiliates, through their sources are saying that the father in all, this Kaine Horman, was told by law enforcement, quote, "If she did it once there`s a chance she did it other times. We are investigating."

As a former sheriff`s deputy with that division, how would you interpret that statement?

MCCAIN: Well, you know, I think this is going back to the information that they relayed to Kaine on that critical weekend that prompted the divorce filing and the restraining order. That`s just kind of came out of the blue. And for all indications this took Kaine by complete surprise.

And don`t forget that this landscaper business, he said-she said, this actually was reviewed by a Multnomah County Circuit Court judge who was convinced this was more than just hearsay. That there`s credible evidence here. So this is again, Kaine learning stuff from the investigators.

You know, I could also add about that photograph real quickly. There actually was a second photograph that appear, I believe, on her Facebook page that actually showed in the upper left hand corner an adult male. And that person was identified. He said yes, that was me at that point. So it gets back to the exit data as they call it on the photographs in question.

CASAREZ: All right. Really, really good points right there, Mr. McCain.

Doug Burns, defense attorney, so what do you think of that? This had to go before a judge, this alleged murder-for-hire plot and the threat of imminent harm had to be apparent before that restraining order was issued.

BURNS: Yes, but I haven`t seen the documents. And I`m not so sure there weren`t other issues. I think Bruce can explain it better. I think there were other matrimonial family arguments that were part of that paperwork and that restraining order.

What I`m saying in a round-about way is I`m not sure that the murder- for-hire plot per se was part of that. But again, he makes an excellent point. Probable cause is probable cause. It means probably. And of course, he`s been very careful, Bruce, I commend him to say that`s a far cry from beyond a reasonable doubt.

But once again, this landscaper walked around for seven months with this.

CASAREZ: That`s right. Good point.

Heather in New York. Hi, Heather, good evening.

HEATHER, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Hi, Jean. Welcome home.

CASAREZ: Thank you.

HEATHER: I have two questions. The first one is now that we know that the stepmom was not in the area she said she was via her cell phone records, have we searched the area around where that was to see if maybe Kyron was there or some property of his or something like that? And second is, where is the stepmom now?

CASAREZ: All right. We`ll get to your question with Natisha Lance right after the break. Thanks, Heather.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A lot of attention has been focused on Kyron`s stepmom Terri Horman. Investigators have circulated flyers asking people for information on her whereabouts the day Kyron went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Terri Horman`s father said there was a 50-50 chance Terri would be arrested.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Stunning developments today in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. CNN affiliate reports a source claims Kyron`s stepmom Terri Horman tried to hire a hit-man to kill her husband.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators won`t say if she`s a suspect or a person of interest.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" in for Nancy Grace tonight. We want to answer Heather`s question out of New York, which was talking about the search and also some inconsistencies, allegedly, about Terri Horman, where she said she was, where her cell phone pings were.

And remember, she`s not a suspect. She`s not a person of interest. She has not been arrested. Nothing.

Out to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer standing by live in Oregon right now. Tell me about Sauvie Island, if I`m saying that correctly.

LANCE: You are saying that correctly. And Sauvie Island is about six miles away from the school, Jean. This is one of the preliminary places where investigators searched.

According to reports, Terri Horman`s cell phone pinged to Sauvie Island. Now this is a huge, huge location. The Columbia River is there which flows out into the Pacific Ocean. There were divers in that water. Very, very murky conditions down there. And investigators did search very thoroughly that location.

CASAREZ: All right. To Cindy in Iowa, before we go, good evening, Cindy.

CINDY, CALLER FROM IOWA: Hi, Jean. Welcome home.

CASAREZ: Thank you.

CINDY: I`ve got t quick questions.

CASAREZ: Yes.

CINDY: Number one. Have there been any problems with Kyron and his stepmom in the past? Any type of abuse, verbal, physical? Has anybody noticed anything? And since the new baby is here, I`m wondering if maybe there`s jealousy that daddy spend time with Kyron and not the new baby?

CASAREZ: Cindy, you hit a very good point that I have not mentioned.

Matt Zarrell, in March of this year -- tell me if I`m wrong -- but her blood son left the home to live with her parents. Why?

ZARRELL: Yes, apparently from reports, he had clashed with the father Kaine Horman and they felt it was best that he not live there any more.

CASAREZ: All right. So there you go.

(snipped-not Kyron related)

And please remember Kyron Horman, 7 years old. He`s missing. He`s a second grader. Very thick glasses. From Portland, Oregon.

Good night, everybody.

OS

I believe Tanner as well.  Of course he used the word sub and that throws people off..The volunteer could have been a sub at the school for all we know and he did use it correctly. Or in his 8 year old vocabulary, sub=chaparone. To me he seemed like he was telling the truth.

I am off to take a long warm shower. I am so tired. Just so you know I will be afraid to log in tomorrow and see what's new. Sheesh

Goodnight everyone.

Nite

OS

You Know I thought the exact same thing when I read nearly every detail of someones life who's only connection to the case is I saw a white truck twice, who would ever want to be a good samaritan and come forward with info to help if your whole life is going to be plastered all over the internet. People directly involved I understand but this seems such an invasion of privacy to me. JMHO

Good morning all,

I just read Blinks latest article this morning, strong coffee I suggest.  IMO


Kyron Horman Case: The Path From Suspect To Defendant Is Forged
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/06/kyron-horman-case-the-path-from-suspect-to-defendant-is-forged/comment-page-1/#comment-1601914

Possible Plot Doesn't Surprise Ex-Police Capt.
Source: Terri Horman Tried To Hire Landscaper To Kill Husband

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:59 pm PDT July 5, 2010


"She's been the suspect, she is the suspect and she's going to continue to be until she's the defendant."


http://www.kptv.com/news/24149637/detail.html

I don't think she had the baby with her.  I think that the psychic is FOS. 

She wrote the baby was at a babysitter all morning...then later in another post writes the baby was with the Mom at the school.  There were other things where she contradicted herself..heck if she really were psychic wouldn't she have known where the baby was to begin with?

Trying to figure out why the SM would go from wanting to kill her husband to having Kyron abducted and it makes no sense.  The only thing I can think of, is this was supposed to be a ransom kidnapping where Kaine wasn't supposed to notify the cops.  He takes the ransom money - perp lets stepson go and kills Kaine.....
Maybe being a mother, adoptive mother, stepmother and foster mother makes me just not be able to see how she could hurt Kyron, or even want him hurt but I do know that people are evil. 

Praying that Kyron is brought home soon.

Kyron's parents Email FOX and Answer Questions About Investigation



Q: Are you worried Terri is becoming the story and not Kyron?
A: Our main goal is to keep Kyron in the front of everyone’s mind because we have a better chance of finding him. So we are constantly working to keep him the focus of the story and not Terri.


Q: Help us understand why you remain so certain Kyron is alive?
A: We remain hopeful because we haven’t been given any information by law enforcement to indicate he isn’t still alive and therefore we will always expect that he will come home to us.

Q: Can you repeat your comment about how all you care about is putting pressure on whoever did this to Kyron? In essence, this is what it’s all about.
A: All of us care very much about bringing this person to justice and bringing Kyron home and we will not stop until that is done.


Q: The Sheriff spoke out on Friday and said Terri Horman has cooperated throughout the investigation but was insinuated in your statement that she has not been cooperating-please explain.
A: We believe that the Sheriff’s statement could have been misinterpreted and possibly reflects Terri’s cooperation to participate in prior weeks during the investigation. The statement was directed at historical cooperation not current cooperation. Based upon information we have received from briefings it is our understanding, and continues to be such, that she has not been cooperating. We have been briefed by law enforcement and we have not received a response since our request for her to fully cooperate with investigators to assist in bringing Kyron home. We continue to issue our plea of her FULLY cooperating with law enforcement and the investigation to help bring Kyron home as quickly as possible.

Q: When is the last time Kaine saw Kyron?
A: KAINE – I last saw him at about 7:45 am. He was coming back to the house after feeding our cat (Bootsie) and I was heading out to the car to head into the office. I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair. We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said “I love you”. He said “I love you too, Dad”, at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left. While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son.


Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?
A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

Q: Have you been asked to take polygraphs? If so, did you take them?
A: Yes, all 3 of us have taken polygraphs and have voluntarily undergone any and all sessions with law enforcement and will continue to do so as long as it takes to bring Kyron home. We wake up every day and check in to proactively see what else we can do to help with the case and to find Kyron. We are relentless in this focus.

Q: Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?

A: KAINE – There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

Kyron Horman's family describe day boy disappeared, press mom to cooperate
Published: Monday, July 05, 2010, 11:01 PM     Updated: Tuesday, July 06, 2010, 5:45 AM
 Bryan Denson, The Oregonian
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Kyron Horman's father, Kaine Horman (left), mother and step-father, Desiree and Tony Young, at a recent press conference. The three released answers to questions posed via email by The Oregonian and other news outlets Monday evening.
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 The last time Kaine Horman saw his little boy was 7:45 a.m. on June 4. Kyron had just come back to the house after feeding the family cat, Bootsie, and his Dad was heading into work.

"I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair," his dad recalled this evening.

"We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said. 'I love you.'"

"I love you, too, Dad," Kaine heard his son say.

They were the last words he has heard from Kyron.

Kaine Horman's recollections were included Monday as part of a group email response from Kaine Horman, Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, and stepfather, Tony Young, to The Oregonian and other news agencies. The new details came after reporters submitted questions to them earlier in the day.

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The questions and answers touched on Terri Moulton Horman's lack of cooperation with investigators, Kaine Horman's whereabouts on the day his son disappeared and an alleged murder-for-hire plot against Kaine Horman reportedly orchestrated by his wife.

The three acknowledged that they had all taken polygraph tests and would keep meeting with investigators for as long as it takes to bring the little boy home. The parents said they wake each day and check in with detectives to see what they can do to help.

"We are relentless in this focus," they wrote.

Monday's responses followed a disclosure in The Sunday Oregonian that a landscaper accused Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, of offering to pay him to murder her husband, Kaine Horman. The landscaper told investigators that Terri Horman approached him about the plot six to seven months before Kyron vanished. Investigators briefed Kaine Horman about the development and he moved out of their house on June 26, taking his 19-month-old daughter, Kiara, with him. He then hired a family law lawyer, filed for divorce and obtained a restraining order against his wife.

Investigators say Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron before he vanished from his rural Multnomah County schoolhouse on June 4. She retained a high-profile defense attorney, Stephen Houze, but has been charged with no crime.

The boy's disappearance, and strange twists in the case, have grown into a coast-to-coast curiosity. The story has led broadcasts by nationally televised morning shows and the interest of People magazine.

Kyron's parents urged Terri Horman to cooperate with the police in their missing-boy case. But they wrote in their Monday night response that they believe she still is not assisting authorities in their investigation.

"We have been briefed by law enforcement and we have not received a response since our request for her to fully cooperate with investigators to assist in bringing Kyron home," they wrote. "We continue to issue our plea of her FULLY cooperating with law enforcement and the investigation to help bring Kyron home as quickly as possible."

The parents, asked if they worried that Terri Horman was becoming the focus of news accounts rather than Kyron, said their main goal was to keep the missing boy in the world's mind so they have a better chance of finding him.

"So we are constantly working," they said, "to keep him the focus of the story and not Terri."

The parents said they remain hopeful he is still alive because police have given them no information to suggest he isn't.

Kaine Horman recalled leaving his office at Intel at about 1:45 the day his son disappeared, reaching home about 15 minutes later. Terri Horman was already in the house, on her laptop, he said.

The dad kissed Kiara, grabbed some food and worked from his home office until about 3:30 p.m. Then he put shoes on his daughter and they started walking toward the bus stop.

There, they waited for a little boy who never arrived.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_family_press_mot.html
-- Bryan Denson

Break Near in Kyron Horman Case?





(CBS/ AP)  The stepmother of a 7-year-old Oregon boy missing more than a month remains in seclusion while speculation grows about her possible involvement in his disappearance, reports CBS News Correspondent Ben Tracy.

((edit - this paper specifically has asked we don't copy their entire articles))

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_family_press_mot.html
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Focus on missing boy not stepmother, Kyron's family says

Jul 6, 2010 5:48 AM

(CNN) -- The family of a missing Oregon boy said they are trying to keep the focus on finding the boy and not suspicions about the boy's stepmother.

Kyron Horman,7, vanished on June 4. And since the boy's disappearance there has been intense scrutiny on Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman.

The boy's father, biological mother and stepfather spoke to the media late Monday about the stepmother and why they believe that Kyron is still alive.

"We remain hopeful because we haven't been given any information by law enforcement to indicate he isn't still alive and therefore we will always expect that he will come home to us," the family said in an e-mailed response to reporters covering the case.

http://www.kaj18.com/news/focus-on-m...s-family-says/

Because nothing makes sense in this case - I have a few thoughts.

Usually in all of the cases I have followed some things just naturally fall into place. As I have said, most cases are not very complex. It's the lying that takes time to sort out. In this case most things are convoluted at best. And as time goes on - more questions are being asked - not answered. I think it's possible that those questions are not being answered for two reasons.

1. The police don't know those answers.

2. There are no answers.

The answers aren't there because they simply do not exist. If the answers were there and as many suspect Terri is the suspect - she would have been arrested by now. It's only logical. This also takes into account that the police know things that we don't and still don't have all the answers, or possibly - any answers.

I also have to wonder what kind of crazy protocol this school had. I think it's only by the luck of God that this school has not had another abduction long before this. No video, no computerized calling system and apparently - no check in and check out with a teacher to confirm someone was entering or leaving for a doctor's appointment. It's not the way to run a school. Maybe someone knew of all these flaws and took advantage. It's possible and makes sense. It's a haphazard way to run a school at best and was sort of begging for a disaster.

I don't think you necessarily need a body to produce a conviction, but it helps. We all know the reasons why. In this case there appears to be little to no searching even though the police have triangulated Terri to an area. It's perplexing. The police do not announce any organized searches. I sure hope they are right that Kyron is alive, but absent a phone call from Kyron to the police after he was abducted - the odds just aren't there to assume that he is alive. We all know the odds. I think it could be false hope, but what do I know.

Mister Kaine - well, two items really strike me as absolutely unbelievable. First, would be not giving Harry Oaks an item that contains Kyron's scent. This is horrible. I can not think of any justifiable reason to withhold this from Mr Oaks. I don't know Mr Oaks, and I have only heard his name associated with Lindsay's case. I don't know his track record. However, he got off his ass and has the right type of dogs or has the right type of dogs at his disposal. I can't think of any reason that we should all be looking for a live Kyron when Mister Kaine would FULLY COOPERATE.

Second, Mister Kaine went to the gym with Terri while Kyron was missing. I know that there are those that may say - well, the police are handling it, what can they do? I say wait at home. If you, Mister Kaine - think that Kyron is alive couldn't someone drop him off at the end of the driveway and you're at the gym? This makes no sense and shows a very selfish individual in my opinion. Also, Mister Kaine is not out there turning over every rock, looking under every shrub. He is basically America's version of Gerry McCann. He directs yet does nothing himself. I have little sympathy for Mister Kaine.

Kaine's directive to Intel employees tells me he views this as a legal matter and not a search and rescue. An email to fellow employees would be one of the last things on my mind - actually the very last. I'm not sure this is how the father of a missing son shows his true concern. It leaves me and others wondering what he is really up to here.

One last thought - for those that followed Caylee's case, we all know that the police can not only triangulate someone, but they can see how many times you have driven around the block, how long you have stopped your vehicle and also what turns you have made. If the police have this type of info regarding Terri - it looks like she is slam dunked into stopping and  / or starting from multiple points in time. I have a hard time thinking that Terri is not triangulated into a corner. I think she was probably on Sauvie, and probably with someone she had an affair with. It makes sense, but it can't prove that she killed or abducted anyone. Also, if they have her triangulated into a corner - you would think that searches would be ongoing in those areas.

Great good God in heaven.  :*(  Why do people let their small children play in the front yard?!?

You know, this case is just so confusing, frustrating, heartbreaking.  Interestingly, one can never tell when one of these missing children cases goes national and gets the level of media attention Kyron has.  I suppose this case has the element of the child being allegedly taken from inside his school.

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised to learn that all of what we've learned these last few days -- the murder for hire, the cries of abuse from SM, blah, blah, are all connected in some way.  Maybe SM found a willing participant to actually act on her murder for hire request, and Kyron was going to the the bait.  I'm sure SM and her alleged co-conspirators NEVER expected this case to go national.  But when that happened, and the media turned to it 24-7 (and we know when that happens, dirt is dug up on everyone involved) BAM! the plot was blown out of the water. Co-conspirator got cold feet (because there's no way to pull off a murder and not get caught now). 

Who knows.  I just pray that Kyron comes home safely.

Unfortunately, statistically, it doesn't look good for this beautiful little girl.  Stranger abduction, 12 hours passed, no sign of her, enuff said.

I challenge the perp to prove me wrong.  Please.  :-(

IMO, she would call the police because she wants to portray herself now as a victim.  She knows she's being watched, her parents are there at the house with her (or were, dunno if they still are).  What else is she going to do?

Demanding 10 thousand for what, obviously Kaine is alive, 10 thousand for killing Kyron? I don't know what else to think at this point? Yes Terri is playing the victim.

I'm trying to play out a scenario in my mind that even comes close to making sense and I can't.

What if Kyron was taken to lure Kaine to a specific spot and then Kaine was to be killed? 

Who would think that plan could work?  :::shruggingmonkey:::

A day after word breaks that the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband Kaine, another landscaper tells KXL that he followed up on a third-party lead.  Identifying himself as Zach of All-American Cleaning and Landscape, he says he called and emailed Terri Horman several times with no response in late April and early May when she was looking for "yard clean-up on a medium-sized yard".  He feels that he just didn't fit what she was looking for.  Zach called into the Lars Larson show:

http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE-AUDIO--Landscaper-Acted-on-Lead-From-Ter/7620648

If the story is true, she was looking for MORE than a landscaper.

Why does she believe that landscapers can all be capable of murder? Everyone knows that butlers are the ones...

I agree New monkey..inorder to play the innocent vic in this she had to call LE....

Me too, and when more pieces of the puzzle are revealed maybe it will make more sense, because this doesn't make sense to me.

Horman's Stepmom Not Cooperating

The Early Show

July 6, 2010

The father of missing Ore. 7-year-old Kyron Horman pleaded in a public statement to his wife, Terry to cooperate with authorities. Ben Tracy reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6650407n

Thank-you. I guess why would she cooperate she has a lawyer now.

Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?
A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

Q: Have you been asked to take polygraphs? If so, did you take them?
A: Yes, all 3 of us have taken polygraphs and have voluntarily undergone any and all sessions with law enforcement and will continue to do so as long as it takes to bring Kyron home. We wake up every day and check in to proactively see what else we can do to help with the case and to find Kyron. We are relentless in this focus.



http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

So this white truck One item of credibility where I would like to see more investigation, is the account of a neighbor to the elementary, Jim Kelley.

On that Friday at around 3:00 PM. Kelley saw a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the road, idle and then turn around. Kelly thought this very odd, but it happened again at 2:00 AM Saturday. What was this lady in the white truck up to? Words of Kelly: That`s beyond rare. "

Can't be Terri she was home on her laptop

My thoughts exactly, Tracy.

And to turn this around. . . why would the landscaper ask for $10K?  What service(s) did he perform for $10k?  Clearly, Kaine is still alive so he's not expecting payment for that.  I think he handed Kyron off to someone else and he wants paid for his part.  He must have admitted to police his part in all this, no?

I was sitting here trying to say pretty much the same thing, that is the only thing I can come up with, either what you just said, or maybe Terri brought up to him that Kyron was a handful or other things like he is in the way, etc. Maybe the landscaper took it upon himself to do something with Kyron to help her out and still get the 10 thousand dollars. Whatever went down here, that landscaper sure must have wanted that money bad.

Has the report of a mustang and white truck on SI ever been confirmed?  Maybe that's where the handoff took place? Maybe TH was never in a white truck the day Kyron went missing. 

In an Exclusive development to blinkoncrime.com, a Portland local, declining to be identified, provides the bombshell revelation that Terri Horman was behind the 5:16PM call to 911 last June 26th.

The object of her “threat based” call to 911 requiring officers response?

The Landscaper, in his white truck, on her property, demanding his payment for $10,000.

http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/

From Blink's site:

Slvrchrm says:
July 6, 2010 at 10:26 am
What about the May 9 911 call made from the Horman residence?
Supposedly, this was a call concerning Terri and landscaper too.

OOO Who is reading ahead of the class??
B

Comment 19 on Blink's site she believes the landscaper is involved with Kyron's disappearance. Now the question is how did Kyron go willing with this man, did he know this man, could the wife of this man be the one to get him out of school? I would think a child would go with a woman easier then with a man.

It could be possible the wife or girlfriend was in that truck, sure wouldn't be the first time a man and woman team got together to commit a crime.

I will be shocked if both the landscaper and TH are not cooling their heels in jail in the next couple of days.

I wonder if the landscaper has some credibility issue?  That's why they were trying to get her to admit her involvement with the sting operation?  Is solicitation of murder without payment enough for an arrest?  Or are they holding out trying to see if Kyron is still alive?

If I'm TH, I'm spilling the beans, like yesterday, about where Kyron is IF he's still alive.  That's why I believe our little tree frog lover is gone.  :*(

I think TH took him from that school and handed him off. 

She's just beyond moronic if she thought this whole thing was going to play out any differently than it has.  A child goes missing and what, it's going to remain hush-hush?  Was there a ransom note warning the parents not to contact LE?  Too late for that, LE was contacted when the child didn't get off the bus.

I guess it could be if I can't get rid of Kaine, I will get rid of a very important part of Kaine's life.

I read about this info from a "Sincerelyours" last night, but have not seen anything verifying the 911 call in May. Blink do you know if that 911 call in May (if true) is available, or is it sealed with the other 911 calls from the Horman home?

If true this would sure be vital information.

Here's the link to "Sincerelyours" posts about May 9th 911 call on Oregonlive.com

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html

Thank-you, only a matter of time that this May 9th call comes out if true. 

It is written right on the RO that neither party may diclose anything about the RO

Thank you for posting that.  I'm not sure what to think about all of that.

Either Terri was part of this, or this landscaper guy for whatever reason, money and sex, took this all upon himself to get back at Terri and took Kyron. This thought may change within the hour, but there is this nagging feeling that Terri is being set up. If she has something to do with Kyron disappearing, go get and arrest her, if she doesn't this woman's rights have been violated, and that makes me ill.

Tracygirl

I believe the landscaper.  Apparently it was investigators who contacted him ... he did not come forward.

Could it be that there were incriminating emails on Terri's computer discovered by investigators ... incriminating evidence that the landscaper could not deny and ... agreed to cooperate.

Terri's lack of cooperation with the landscaper in the sting attempt by investigators could be all about suspecting that she was being set up.

There is no way that legally a RO against Terri could have been issued so quickly ... a RO that denied her access to her children ... on the heresay of the landscaper.  Also ... a divorce petition by Kaine would have been an over-reaction on the heresay of the landscaper.  Investigators must have provided very strong suspicion.

I suspect the landscaper may be in the country illegally and that is why Terri chose him.  Terri must have had confidence that her attempt at murder for hire would never be reported?  Think about it Kaine was not aware that Terri had hired a landscaper.

My question is ... "Why did Terri want Kaine killed?"  Could it be that divorce was not an option?  Terri would lose custody of Kyron ... the stepson she had raised and loved since infancy ... the stepson she felt was in need of protection.

Tracygirl ... it is Terri's love for Kyron that provides me with the hope that this little boy has not been harmed.

As always ... IMO

Janet

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Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 4:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 9:45 AM

After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family.  They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he's talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation.

Detectives last weekend also shared the information they developed about the alleged murder-for-hire scheme with Kyron's mother and stepdad, Desiree and Tony Young -- providing a clearer indication of why the two banded together with Kaine Horman and the three suddenly and publicly distanced themselves from Terri Horman.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

From Blink's site:

Charlotte says:
July 6, 2010 at 9:46 am
Wow, is this saying that there was a SECOND LS solicited?

Meanwhile, a landscaper recently hired by the Hormans said he was contacted by detectives and cooperated with the investigation. Police have confirmed a report that Terri Horman tried to pay another as yet unnamed landscaper to kill her husband, Kaine Horman, in 2009.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97845894.html

Yep. I would say we have our third unsub.
Shout out to LE- well played.
B

Can you expand on the theory she is being set up?  By whom and for what reason?  I'm trying to open my mind to other possibilities.  I've felt the whole thing was just too scripted from the start and I know I have tunnel vision with regard to TH being responsible for this.

Another un-sub I swear this is like watching an episode of Criminal Minds.

Really? I mean really, did he? Didn't he also say he wanted to keep the focus on Kyron and not any one suspect like his Terri and then publicly pointed the finger at his wife...again I don't like this guy at all

I'm still on the fence about Terri and will be until there is tangible evidence she was a party to Kyron's disappearance, not all these unnamed sources and trickery by the police is gonna move this Monkey from her branch until I see some real proof. The woman hasn't even begun to defend herself and didn't even lawyer up until they tried that crazy gambit with LawnMower Man. Pfft I don't like the way the police department is handling this either, more Florida and a little less Oregon seems to be whats called for.

Is she guilty I don't know but they are going to have to do better than the keystone cops bumbling and get on the ball here.

I wish I could. This is the only case I've followed, and I've followed way to many, that my mind is all over the place. I guess what is bothering me is I would think she might be arrested by now. But now comes another article about another person she may have contacted to kill Kaine. I am officially past confused.

Good morning all. Wow you all have been busy posting. Lots of catching up.  I do not know what to say about this psychic person, she has contradicted herself a few times. Not what I would deem a psychic. She also questions many things whereas I would think a psychic would have the answers or at least clues as to where Kyron is. Oh well, I will not put much stock in what she says.
I agree with all of you that say why would the landscaper ask for money for a job that was not completed? That was a huge red flag to Terri.  Obviously if this landscaper is not arrested it is because he will turn evidence against Terri for a lighter sentence. Right now it is he said she said, unless they can find emails, texts, etc. Sources are mainly protected via the media the feed the source to. Usually they are right though some prove to be wrong.

Good Morning America

Mystery 911 Call to Kyron Horman's Home Adds to Police Case

Experts Say Kaine Horman's Filing for Divorce, and the Restraining Order, Speak Volumes

NEAL KARLINKSY, SARAH NETTER and DEAN SCHABNER

June 30, 2010

Video

A call to 911 from the home of Kyron Horman's father and stepmother has been added to the police investigation of the 7-year-old boy's disappearance.

Sheriff's officials would confirm only that someone had called 911 from Kaine and Terri Horman's home late Saturday, the same day that Kaine Horman reportedly moved out, taking the couple's young daughter with him.

The reason for the call has not been released, and police said the call is now part of their case into Kyron's disappearance. Two days later, Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman, the last person known to have seen Kyron alive nearly a month ago.

In the weeks that Kyron has been missing, his family seems to have crumbled, and experts said his parents' actions speak volumes, even as the two remain silent.

Snip

But to file the type of emergency restraining order that he did, Kaine Horman would have had to made the case that his wife posed an immediate threat to him or their 18-month old daughter, according to former FBI special agent Brad Garrett.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horm...ry?id=11050953

I don't like Kaine at all either, not one bit. I guess this is part of my feeling about Terri being set up, and I don't like the handling of this either. I keep going back and forth on this, is she being set up, or is she responsible for all this? Hate my confusion.

I thought I would put together the source statements feel free to add:

1. source says cell pings near on Sauvie Island.
2. source says Terri not forthright with where she was that day.
3. source says Terri hired landscaper 6-7 months ago to kill husband.
4. source says red mustang seen driving around Sauvie Island that day.

I agree no rose, it is very confusing not least is that this stepmom has cared for Kyron very lovingly since he was a baby. According to everyone she was a great mom to him, better than his birth mom for sure. I can't imagine what could have happened to her that she would have harmed him.

Is sincerelyours allegedly Pumala's g'ma?

I suspect that Terri is involved in Kyron's disappearance but ... I am clinging to the hope that her love for her stepson implies he has not been harmed.

Janet

Has Tanner's stepmom been questions ... the stepmom who left Sauvie Island following Kyron's disappearance?

Why was Terri not forthcoming to investigator regarding her whereabouts on June 4, 2010?

Janet

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Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

If you lie to LE about your whereabouts, what else are you lying about? If you are capable of hiring a murder for hire, what else are you capable of?

I agree also. If she were guilty of conspiring w/ this man, she would not likely have called police. Also if he is guilty of abducting Kyron, he would be a moron to show up at her house, $10,000 to murder someone? Ya, that goes far. When weighing the consequences vs. the rewards, there is no great reward which would outweigh consequences here.

Sorry, but I call BS on that answer....couldn't they call the DR who had scheduled the appt to find out exactly when it was scheduled?

If that is true that she now has asked two people to kill her husband, what in the world was all going on inside that house. I suppose it could be as simple as money, Kaine's life insurance policy, the fact that Kaine may have been having an affair, I think there is more that was happening in the home.

I agree IM, not too hard to figure out if Kyron had a doctor's appointment or not.

I am not sure what to think here, it could be a setup or Terri also had her parents in the house and who knows who else may have been there. She may have called the police because she felt threatened , or feared for safety of her parents, or she did it as a ruse because she knew that there were people around and they may have overheard what was going on.

Me too! Kaine would have known if his son had a doctor appt. So would have Desiree if it was her weekend to pick up Kyron.

Two people?

I think that Terri changed her mind about wanting Kaine murdered to wanting him to suffer the rest of his life..which lead to Kyron's abduction and possible murder.

It might have been hard to figure out a way to off Kaine..but the LS guy may have known of someone who had experience disappearing children?

The $10,000.00 I think was simply LS cut as a finder's fee..he finds the person/persons to carry this out..he gets $10,000.00.  I think that she got spooked when he showed up with another guy..and probably some of her friends and family were still in the house.  He wouldn't leave..she calls the cops. 

It appears from Blink's comment on the May 9 911 call, that this call may indeed have been from Terri about the Lanscaper. This would be so impotant to know because if she were conspiring with this man, why would she call the police about him in May? Here is something that really caught my eye in reviewing the NG transcript:
 Mccain (former Captain of Multnomah Sherrif dept.)”You know, I could also add about that photograph real quickly. There actually was a second photograph that appear, I believe, on her Facebook page that actually showed in the upper left hand corner an adult male. And that person was identified. He said yes, that was me at that point. So it gets back to the exit data as they call it on the photographs in question?
Why bring up this dude? We need to see that pic again because it has always bothered me that the Mayor brought up this guy, then LE quickly discounted it. I mean why just randomly bring up some guy in a photo at the science fair? There were many people there. Why ask about just him?

Reply 191 on the following page, unless it is me misunderstanding.

So the pic at the fair, you mean the one with the man in the back with the little girl.

Family members respond to questions about Kyron
July 6, 2010

Meanwhile, a landscaper recently hired by the Hormans said he was contacted by detectives and cooperated with the investigation. He said he just did landscaping for the family.

Police have confirmed a report that Terri Horman tried to pay another as yet unnamed landscaper to kill her husband, Kaine Horman, in 2009. That landscaper reportedly contacted police after the alleged murder for hire offer.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97845894.html

I sat here during the nite watching the google news updates, turning from hr to hr. My heart sunk when 3 hrs hit, I know what that means in stranger abductions usually. Now the time is just getting longer,
and all you can do is pray for this beautiful little child.

So sad.

OS

That was a weird statement about that guy, why would he say, "that was me at that point" ( unless I am reading this wrong.) ?

Hugs

Janet

I think the news station may have gotten their facts wrong.  Evidently Terri was looking for a landscaper through some kind of referral service, and another landscaper tried to get in touch with her.  He sent her two voice mails and an email, and she didn't respond.  At that point, he figured she had hired someone else to do the landscaping. 

That information was on a radio show.  The link was posted here earlier.  I will try to see if I can find it again.

From NG transcript; Bremmer “And the fact is, you know, this happened six, seven months ago, and you think, who do you go to for a hit-man. You go -- you know, to someone that`s like in the mafia, someone who`s in the crime world, or do you go to the lawn and leaf guy?

I mean this is just something that you`ve got to kind of look at in defending Terri Horman, and say, you know, wait a minute, you know, it`s curiouser and curiouser here with the facts as they`re stacking up right now."

You know, I believe there are some very intelligent LE on this case, and dawn just broke on marble head as to the possible psychology of this all, especially with the additional landscaper coming forward.
I mean, how dumb was that move to have LE go to Terri's residence w/ the landscaper while he was demanding $10,000 to try to implicate Terri? Why would she implicate herself in front of a complete stranger?..... Oh, hold on, lemme get my check book.... great job what that abduction by the way..."here's your sign"

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Yes, it is. On page 3.

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TY Brandi

Here is the link.  You can listen to the audio of the other landscaper.

http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE-AUDIO--Landscaper-Acted-on-Lead-From-Ter/7620648 

I don't believe she tried to hire two landscapers to kill her husband.  She was just trying to hire a landscaper.

Actually, I don't know if I believe she even asked one landscaper to kill him, unless she was joking around. 

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Picture thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.20

Thanks, I can barely make it out but it certainly appears to be a man in the upper left hand corner.

Thank-you, I apologize for my confusion. I think so also that she may have been joking around.

Above is the pic of the infamous man in pic.  Is the detective quoting he said , " he was there at that point" I am confused. Peace you gave a statement earlier is there a link?   Why would someone say they were there at that point? That statement describes time, as at that point in time I was there. Why not state , I was at the Science fair looking around that morning. There at that point tells me they were going to be somewhere else at another point of time.

oops statement is "me at that point"

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Thank-you now I can see him better. Is this guy supposed to be the landscaper? Or who exactly is he if we know?

No rose, you don't need to apologize!  You have a right to be confused!  That other news station did make it appear that there were two landscapers that had been hired to kill Kaine.  They were the ones that got their facts wrong, not you.

How can we not be confused with this case!  It is maddening!

The quote is on page 8 here from NG transcript
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 -
« Reply #140 on: July 06, 2010, 01:44:16 AM »

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okay I still have not got the pics thing down, I resized and cropped the guy but I cannot get him to copy and paste..  :(

One would have to assume that this was not pointed out for no reason at all. He made sure to come back to the photograph topic and talk about it specifically.

Is this report not accurate?

Thanks

Janet

I don't think it is, Janet!

Good Catch Brandi.

Janet

Thanks, it is all certainly maddening.

The man in the upper left corner of the sci exhibit pic:

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Who is he? The landscape guy, a father of a kid at the school who innocently was at the fair?

Good Morning Monkeys,  I thought the first 911 call on the 26th was a threat call and involved screaming people in the driveway.  Somewhere in the last day I read it was involving the landscaper who was there.

LE discovered this LS, and I'm wondering if this Fri call where LE was dispatched was their first meeting of the guy.  ???  Then the next day is when they put a wire on Terri and put this guy in front of her.

Does this sound like what actually took place?  Ta

Making an extra pot of coffee...   :P

Sooooo.. two landscaper guys.  One supposedly shows up in the driveway with an 'associate', demanding a $10,000 payment.  And as others have pointed out... payment for what?  Kaine's still alive. 

Was an attempt made on Kaine's life, perhaps that he wasn't aware of?  Wonder what that May 911 call (if true) was all about, and who made it? 

Did landscaper guy demand payment before, and how many payments was he supposedly to receive?  Maybe it was 'show' me the $ baby, then you'll get results. 

When he received no $, did landscaper guy change things up in his demands, perhaps saying - now you have to pay me to shut me up?  Perhaps grabbing Kyron, (or given Kyron) as a payment/collateral?

If LE doesn't know yet whether or not they 'believe' landscaper guy, how then can they use his info against Terri for an indictment??  Am still not getting that.  They seem to want an indictment against her so bad, they are willing to decide, 'ok, let's go ahead and believe him.. hope we're not wrong.. if so, oops our bad'. 

I thought the wire was on the landscape guy and an undercover policeman.

You folks are great with pics... you will have to teach me!!!  :)   Does he resemble Michael Harney? Just guessing and I don't want to appear like I know anything.

Thanks, so if that is the judge's handwriting then it was ordered (as an afterthought).  I have no problem with this as they have said it needs to remain sealed because it pertains to Kyron missing and as far as I'm concerned his rights trump Terri's.

As far as I've heard he is nothing more than another parent that was there.  As soon as the question about who he was came out, he stepped forward right away.

What happened was a reader noticed the man in the photo and brought it to the attention of LE. 

No, he does not resemble Michael Harney.

Honestly, I think he is nothing more than another parent that was there in the classroom.

Man at the sci fair:

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Pic on Michael P Harney facebook:

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http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-P-Harney/622533484 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-P-Harney/622533484)




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I agree. 

Just what I was thinking when I read the interview answer.

IF Terri was at her home on her laptop at 2:00pm... either Terri snuck out and was at Mr. Kelly's driveway at 3:00pm, or either Mr. Kelly or Kaine are mistaken about it all.

IF she was at Mr. Kelly's driveway, what then could've she been doing there at the time?

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Thank-you

I was thinking about this earlier.  If you are having a hard time finding someone to kill your husband, what's the next "best" thing?  What if she decided she'd rather have Kaine alive, but wishing he was dead. . . thus doing something to his child.  I don't see this as being someone trying to get back at TH or I think they would've taken her bio child. 

<<bang head>>  Thanks No Rose

IIRC there was discussion in a previous thread about the man in the corner of the pic, and he was identified and etc.  I was trying to go back and find the discussion and I believe an article about it, but the forums been busy and I keep getting the "try back later" white page.   

Terri had called the police apparently when this landscaper person approached her to demand 10,000 as payment...Isn't he sort of implicating himself with this statement? Isn't he sort of saying he did something to receive 10 grand? It seems fair to consider the different reactions a person can have to this.

A person guilty, I would think would say, hush, don't be so loud..I will get you the money as soon as I can. Have you seen what has been going on lately? Everyone is watching and if you don't want to get arrested, shut the hell up.

Or I suppose a guilty person covering would say, what are you talking about, get out of here before I call the police. You are crazy and I have no idea what you are talking about. I would think the guilty person would just walk away or go into the house and then try to tell everyone around them that this person is just looking for attention and shrug it off. They wouldn't call the police who are already looking at you because this person could implicate you into what you are trying to get away with.

I would think a person who is not guilty would actually call the police, identify the person, give the license plate because in doing so is not going to implicate them. She called 911, that to me says alot.

You all don't have to agree with me, that is ok. We all bring our ideas to the table.

Shoulda just ITA'd with this.

Thank you!

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

I feel the exact same way.

Yes he is implicating himself at this point.  He didn't go to LE ..LE came to him.

He, in my opinion, is only the middle man..the finder of the person to do this deed.

I don't think the sting ever had a chance of working..but it was LE's only shot at getting her to talk.  She was not honest in her lie detector answers..she was not honest about her where abouts June 4th....so I think this was their last hope..and it didn't work.  But they had to try all avenues.

I would think a person who is not guilty would not have even acknowledged he was there.  The no tresspassing signs went up on the property prior to this.  Her husband is not home, she is fairly isolated....so why was she even speaking with him..I would think she would have called LE before the conversation even started. 

Agreed well stated.

Peace I agree with you. At this point, LE needs to charge and arrest her so the process can start or they need to stop. What gets me is if there is something that comes out against Terri everyone is ready to believe it. Such is the case with said landscaper for hire, killer wanna be.  If something comes out in favor of her, Such as little Tanner, it is a lie or apart of the evil plan...she has already been found guilty for this crime without a trial.   

It was a leak that the LS , a hit on Kevin, etc was what happened.  A leak.

I feel LE has bent over backwards trying to keep rumors quiet, playing this close to their chest.  They did not want to release this...the point is it was leaked by someone.

Once it was leaked they had no other recourse.  Notice they have continually ssai Terri is cooperative, etc.  They have been very fair to Terri.

Thanks, Klaas.

The downtime will be worth it, IMO ;-)

Gypsy - I agree, I think LE has been more than fair to Terri

Statement Analysis Guy:

Kyron's Family Q&A

Tuesday, July 06, 2010

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/ (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/)

He's been a busy guy this month!  Already has 11 posts, the majority having to do with this case, and it's only the 6th day of June, lol.  See those links to the right of his page. 

Why did LE not arrest this man who implicated himself in this way? He was asking for 10 grand for what exactly? By doing such he was saying he had done something that required payment, what did he do exactly?  Kaine is alive. Was it for Kyron? In my opinion, once he asked Terri for the money and if he told LE he was hired to do something to Kyron, LE would have arrested him if they believed this was actually the plan. There is nothing to think about, nothing to consider it is illegal to hire someone to kidnap your step son and/or kill your husband. In this admission is he saying he took Kyron? Does this man know where Kyron is?
What kind of man is this anyway? He is saying a person actually came to him to hire him to kill someone. To me it is not someone I would easily believe and I would question if they are telling the entire truth. For me that answer is, I am suspicious of him and do not trust him. He could be a total wack job who knew Terri and put this plan together for some reason we don't know.
I think we are just looking at this from different angles. I respect your opinion, that is all we have right now, our opinions.

Maybe I can get some work done! Good think I am the boss, I would hate to have an employee that spend the day on the computer, lol.

Am quite positive that no matter how long the upgrade to a new server takes, we will STILL be wayyyyy ahead of the likes of NG, when it comes back up.  :P 

O/T but in the local papers

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97876029.html

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Roseburg 3rd-grade teacher faces 500 child porn charges

by KPIC.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/97876029.html

ROSEBURG, Ore. – Police arrested an elementary school teacher Sunday, charging him of 500 criminal counts stemming from child porn officers said they found on his computer.

Steven Derlacki, 28, of Roseburg was arrested Sunday afternoon. The arrests came after a July 4 tip police received that Derlacki may have files containing child pornography on his laptop computer.

Derlacki is employed as a third-grade teacher at Fullerton IV Elementary. Roseburg school officials confirmed Tuesday morning that the case is under investigation by the school district as well.

Police arrested Derlacki on 500 counts of "first degree encouraging the sexual abuse of a child."

Police said that officers contacted Derlacki at his residence and got consent to search the files on the computer. Police said they discovered more than 500 files containing images or video of children involved in sexual activity.

Police seized the computer, and Derlacki was arrested. He is lodged in the Douglas County Jail and is being held on $9.5 million bail.

The investigators said that they believe all the images and files were not of local children; instead the images allegedly were obtained via the Internet.

Quote from: newfie on July 06, 2010, 11:06:02 AM
If you lie to LE about your whereabouts, what else are you lying about? If you are capable of hiring a murder for hire, what else are you capable of?

The optimum word being IF! I don't know she is lying, she hasn't said anything yet, she has neither confirmed nor denied anything. She cooperated up until the time the police bought in the lawnmower man and told her she was a suspect. She got herself a lawyer at that point, I think that's a pretty normal reaction, nothing is confirmed in this case yet. I think we should wait until she is arrested and charged or her lawyer makes a statement on her behalf.

I tend to agree with you, also I wonder if he wasn't possibly trying to extort her for $$ to keep quiet about the affair. So many possibilities in this case that I am looking for Valium Kitty

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-struggles-through-days-without-Kyron-97874614.html

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Family describes struggle without Kyron

by Teresa Blackman, kgw.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Updated today at 12:40 PM

PORTLAND -- The covers and sheets on Kyron Horman's bed are still ruffled from the last time he slept at his mother's house in Medford; she can't bear to make the bed since the horrible day she learned that her sweet and timid young son had disappeared.

"I still have his laundry laid out and his bed not made because I can't bring myself to make his bed. I like to see that it looks slept in," Desiree Young said in a statement sent to the media Monday.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman said he had family friends come over and they all played in Kyron's bedroom "to fill it with love and happy noises... exactly as he would want if he would have been there with us."

Kaine said the room at his house also remains unchanged for the most part, except for the gifts from other children waiting to be put in Kyron's arms on the day the family has been praying for - the day Kyron comes home.

"We haven't been given any information by law enforcement to indicate he isn't still alive and therefore we will always expect that he will come home to us," Kyron and Desiree said in the prepared statement.

Kyron has been missing for more than a month now. This past holiday weekend, he was supposed to be on a special trip with Kaine in California; visiting friends, swimming, playing mini-golf, going to the water slides, and watching fireworks - some of his favorite ways to pass the time with dad.

But instead, Kaine, Desiree and her husband, Tony Young spent July 4th re-living special memories of past Independance Days.

"Kyron doesn't like real loud noises and so he generally is kind of timid when it comes to celebrating the 4th of July, but the main thing that I missed was Kyron sitting on my lap for the entire show. I always tell him he is just making sure that I am not afraid," she said.

"He likes the lights and colors but not the noises and will often sit and watch with his ears covered," Kaine added. "Kyron enjoys the food and barbeque that we usually do and we usually play outside most of the day, which he loves to do."

Kaine's most vivid memory, which he hangs on to every day, was the last time he saw Kyron on the morning of June 4. His son was getting ready to go to a science fair at school and Kaine was preparing to leave for work.

"I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair... and then I said, 'I love you.' He said, 'I love you too, Dad,' at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left," Kaine recalled.

"While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son."

Skeered to post.. lol.. thinking it's gonna bounce me out into not so greener pastures.

Another FYI

If any of you read over at http://marinadedave.com/ please do not take that photo seriously.  Marinade Dave didn't do his homework.  That photo comes from a German website and has nothing at all to do with Terry or Kaine Horman as most of the photos that are on the IN.COM Terri Horman search don't.  Marinade Dave should be embarrassed he didn't research it himself.

That would be Marinade Dave of the Judge Strickland debacle, of course.  Hmm, that guy just can't keep from stepping in it!  Pewwwwwww

I saw that last night and hoped no monkey would post it here, taking it seriously.

Gotta just shake your head at that kind of blog and move along. LOL

klaasend you may want to delete the last picture in the  Kyron Horman picture thread sorry

Whachoo mean?

Are Desiree and Kaine being compensated big bucks by networks for interviews and photos?

Are Desiree and Kain being compensated big bucks by the publication such as People and the National Enquirer for photos and insight for the articles?

Janet

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Kyron Horman's parents reveal new details in interviews; mystery of boy's whereabouts remains
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 8:16 PM
Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:44 PM

Young and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, appeared on four network morning shows to keep their son's story in the public eye. Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School in the rural northwest corner of Multnomah County. After attending a school science fair with his stepmother Kyron walked down the hall toward his classroom for the beginning of class, investigators said. It's the last time anyone saw him.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html

ANOTHER MURDER FOR HIRE ATTEMPT?

Family members respond to questions about Kyron
July 6, 2010-07-06

Meanwhile, a landscaper recently hired by the Hormans said he was contacted by detectives and cooperated with the investigation. He said he just did landscaping for the family.

Police have confirmed a report that Terri Horman tried to pay another as yet unnamed landscaper to kill her husband, Kaine Horman, in 2009. That landscaper reportedly contacted police after the alleged murder for hire offer.

Terri Horman denies the allegations. She has not been arrested or charged with any crime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97845894.html

I was married to an engineer for many years, and I live in a city full of them. I can say without hesitation that I don't find Kaine's email suspicious at all. I have received many emails and notes from my ex that were similar in nature, even during a crisis. It's just how they approach any serious problem they face......methodically, analytically and without showing emotion, even though they do feel things inside. Engineers lay out the problem, and form a step by step plan to deal with it. They make lists and spreadsheets. They are controlling to a degree, and it is difficult to live with, but it's who they are. Kaine faced a terrible situation, and he was dealing with it in the way he deals with everything....like an engineer who has been trained to figure out the problem, and lay out a plan of action designed to solve it. I think Kaine is just processing what needs to be done to help find Kyron in this way. Every single engineer that I know handles things in a similar way. I have lived and worked with them for over 20 years, and have some very close friends who are engineers, and I have learned that they approach life in a different way from the rest of us.

If there was a foundation of evidence that warranted a RO ... a RO that alienated Terri from her children ... why was there not an arrest?

Janet

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Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 4:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 9:45 AM

A landscaper who worked for Kyron Horman's family at their rural Northwest Portland home told authorities that the missing boy's stepmom offered to pay him to kill her husband.

The landscaper told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared, The Oregonian has learned.

She reportedly offered the landscaper, who advertises his expertise in lawn care, a large sum of money to carry out the scheme, sources say.

Detectives with the Multnomah County Major Crimes Team shared the landscaper's account with Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, last weekend, prompting him to leave the house June 26 with the couple's 19-month-old daughter.

Within two days, he obtained a family law attorney and filed divorce papers and a petition for a restraining order under the Family Abuse Prevention Act.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

Removed, thanks.  FWIW, when I first saw it I did a comparison and didn't think to look at the originating link.  When I found the originating link and went through the entire website in German, I realized that there was no way it was Kaine Horman. 

So there are two landscapers that she tried to get too kill her husband?

Kyron Horman's Stepmother Allegedly Tried to Hire Hit Man, Report Says
Landscaper Reportedly Told Cops Terri Horman Asked Him to Kill Kyron's  July 4, 2010

Sources close to the investigation told the newspaper that police alerted Kaine Horman to the allegation on June 26, which they said is what prompted him to move out of the family home with his 19-month-old daughter and to file for divorce and a restraining order against his wife.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-hormans-stepmother-allegedly-husband-killed-report/story?id=11086039

lol just that my posts weren't going thru.  ;) 

I also agree.  I have  heard "No comment" many times from LE as well as their stating many times that Terri is cooperating.  It is natural that the person last known to be with someone who has vanished would be suspect.  In many, if not most, cases the person last seen with the victim is the culpable party. Insofar as Terri's Constitutional rights being infringed, I believe the referenced portion of the Constitution clearly refers to someone being "Held."  Terri is not being held as far as we know and is perfectly free to come and go as she wishes.

As I will not join a lynch mob in accusing Kaine of being guilty of something, neither do I accuse Terri, although she is the logical suspect. 

Further, it is my understanding that the landscaper demanding $10,000 from Terri was at the instigation of LE and an undercover officer was also present. When Terri did not participate in discussions with the landscaper and called LE, I believe that Kaine was informed of the reported threat to his life. None of us on this forum know whether or not that was an actual threat, but it was apparently credible enough for LE to direct Kaine to take the baby and leave. It was also credible enough for a judge to issue a sealed Order of Protection.

Having looked at the earlier photos of the "Red eyed tree frog" exhibit, it is beyond my belief that a seven year old actually put it together. IMO Someone, likely Terri, gave him a lot of help with it.  This is neither here nor there as a factor in his disappearance, but whoever did help him obviously cares a lot about him to want his exhibit to be outstanding. 

I hope Kyron is alive and well somewhere, but as the days pass, it becomes more and more unlikely.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-parents-provide-more-investigation-details-97831899.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-parents-provide-more-investigation-details-97831899.html)

Kyron's Parents Pass Polygraph Test

KGW News
7/06/2010


{Sorry, I can't get the article to c & p}

Thanks for this perspective, pdh3!  Good thing to know and remember when having a look at Kaine, what he says/does.  :-) 

Kyron's Parents Field Questions By E-mail
POSTED: 9:56 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 6:26 am PDT July 6, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Kyron Horman's father, biological mother and stepfather answered several questions on Monday, about the investigation surrounding Kyron's disappearance.

The answers, in their entirety, are listed below:

Q: How difficult was it to be without Kyron this 4th of July?

A: DESIREE – It was very difficult. Kyron doesn’t like real loud noises and so he generally is kind of timid when it comes to celebrating the 4th of July, but the main thing that I missed was Kyron sitting on my lap for the entire show. I always tell him he is just making sure that I am not afraid, at least that is what I tell him when his 15 year old brother teases him about it.

KAINE – extremely difficult. He likes the lights and colors but not the noises and will often sit and watch with his ears covered. We have tried a few fireworks in the past but he definitely prefers watching them. Kyron enjoys the food/BBQ that we usually do and we usually play outside most of the day, which he loves to do.

Q: What was planned for Kyron to be doing this week if he had not disappeared?

A: He was supposed to be in California on vacation with his dad visiting friends – swimming, BBQ’ing, playing mini-golf, going to the water slides, a possible trip to the races, visiting to Monterey, and watching fireworks/celebrating the 4th of July with everyone.

Q: Are you worried Terri is becoming the story and not Kyron?

A: Our main goal is to keep Kyron in the front of everyone’s mind because we have a better chance of finding him. So we are constantly working to keep him the focus of the story and not Terri.

Q: Help us understand why you remain so certain Kyron is alive?

A: We remain hopeful because we haven’t been given any information by law enforcement to indicate he isn’t still alive and therefore we will always expect that he will come home to us.

Q: It has been a month since Kyron went missing, has this been the longest amount of time that any of you have been away from Kyron?

A: Yes, it is the longest stretch of time for all of us where we have been unable to at least call or talk to him in one form or another.

Q: The note put on the fence by Desiree for Kyron last week – are you willing to share what was in that note?

A: It’s personal to Ky, but I reassured him that we were on the way and that we will never stop looking for him.

Q: It’s been just over one month since Kyron disappeared, how is the family seeking support to keep up hope that Kyron will be returned home safely? Who is the most helpful source of support outside the family?

A: The only support we have been seeking is for people to keep an eye out for him. The local community and people all across the state of Oregon and everywhere in the Unites States have sent notes of prayer, reassurance, and strength in support of Kyron and our family. While the local community is relentless in its search for Kyron and support of the investigation, the national community continues to get the word out and watch for him. We will be reaching out to other families and organizations that help with missing children cases, we have not yet had enough time to do so. Other than that our strength and support comes from our love for Kyron and we lean on each other as much as we can while we search for him.

Q: What does Kyron’s room look like now? Have you made any changes to it since he disappeared?

A: DESIREE – I haven’t made any changes to his room other than to vacuum it. I still have his laundry laid out and his bed not made because I can’t bring myself to make his bed. I like to see that it looks slept in.

KAINE – We have done a little cleaning but otherwise it is in the same state it was when he left it. We had some family friends come over and we all played in his room to fill it with love and happy noises for Kyron, exactly as he would want if he would have been there with us. Additions to his room include gifts from other children that will be awaiting him when he gets home.

Q: Can you say something along what you said earlier about this not being two separate stories, but all about trying to find Kyron?

A: Kyron Horman is one story. As stated on an earlier interview, EVERYTHING we do is to expedite the investigation as best we can and bring him home quickly and safely.

Q: Can you repeat your comment about how all you care about is putting pressure on whoever did this to Kyron? In essence, this is what it’s all about.

A: All of us care very much about bringing this person to justice and bringing Kyron home and we will not stop until that is done.

Q: The Sheriff spoke out on Friday and said Terri Horman has cooperated throughout the investigation but was insinuated in your statement that she has not been cooperating-please explain.

A: We believe that the Sheriff’s statement could have been misinterpreted and possibly reflects Terri’s cooperation to participate in prior weeks during the investigation. The statement was directed at historical cooperation not current cooperation. Based upon information we have received from briefings it is our understanding, and continues to be such, that she has not been cooperating. We have been briefed by law enforcement and we have not received a response since our request for her to fully cooperate with investigators to assist in bringing Kyron home. We continue to issue our plea of her FULLY cooperating with law enforcement and the investigation to help bring Kyron home as quickly as possible.

Q: Trying to clear up so many reports that have been out there: Was Kaine waiting at the bus stop for Kyron to get off of the school bus?

A: Yes I was. I walked Kiara down to the bus stop about 3:35 with Terri following close after we left. We all arrived down at the bus stop together and waited as the bus came to the stop.

Q: When is the last time Kaine saw Kyron?

A: KAINE – I last saw him at about 7:45 am. He was coming back to the house after feeding our cat (Bootsie) and I was heading out to the car to head into the office. I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair. We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said “I love you”. He said “I love you too, Dad”, at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left. While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son.

Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?

A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

Q: Was Kyron supposed to be out of school the following Friday for a doctor’s appt.?

A: KAINE – There was some discussion about the appointment but it was unknown exactly when the appointment was scheduled so we cannot comment for certain.

Q: Do you all still feel strongly that the investigation remains on track?

A: Yes, we feel the investigation continues to be on track and progressing toward finding Kyron. Every action we take is for the sole purpose of expediting the investigation and search for him and to bring him home as quickly as possible. Some actions can appear as distractions but our purpose, all efforts/actions, and our focus remain unwavered until he is home and safe.

Q: Kaine are you able to confirm anything in the Oregonian story that was in the Sunday Paper that says it was discovered by police that Terri had attempted a Murder for Hire Plot?

A: We are unable to comment.

Q: Do you receive daily briefings? If so, how are those briefings delivered to you?

A: Yes we receive daily briefings or more frequently as needed, the delivery method changes based upon participant locations.

Q: What would you like to see happen in the investigation that hasn’t been thus far?

A: As Kyron’s family we have only one goal with the investigation, we only care about Kyron coming home to us soon.

Q: Have you been asked to take polygraphs? If so, did you take them?

A: Yes, all 3 of us have taken polygraphs and have voluntarily undergone any and all sessions with law enforcement and will continue to do so as long as it takes to bring Kyron home. We wake up every day and check in to proactively see what else we can do to help with the case and to find Kyron. We are relentless in this focus.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

Thanks

I am waiting on a retraction of the statement that police confirmed this. If untrue and sloppy reporting, I'd think they'd get a retraction out pretty quick.

Thank-you, I am confused on this. If she asked more than one, that is huge, bad enough she asked one, but two?

So that debunks those who wanted to know why Kaine hadn't taken a polygraph.  So Kaine, Desiree and her husband have all passed polys according to this article.

 Sorry about the comment earlier as to whether the pic looked like someone else. I certainly don't want an innocent bystander to be brought into this drama. I just thought the one comment was weird, but the media has mixed up about every story out there. Thanks for the heads up Klaas it will be nice to have the new server. For that I am grateful! I don't know who is guilty or not in this as an arrest has not been made. So yes there are the ifs as to whether Terri or Kaine lied, and the ifs as to whether Terri tried to hire a landscaper to commit murder. Being honest says alot about a person. Especially When it comes to the welfare of a child. I brought up earlier a bit on sources, and I may be wrong so feel free to correct. From my understanding a source is someone that has inside info. and leaks it to the media etc. They are highly protected as the journalist wants the source to trust them for future use etc. Hence you hear about journalists not divulging their sources. I am not saying all are accurate, but these sources lead me to believe that there is some dishonesty re: Terri.  I have not said that Kaine is dishonest because the media has not lead us to believe that he is. I think that is why everyone is so apt to look at Terri less favorably than Kaine. Terri could quash all of these speculations by simply making a statement and revealing her alibi.

Klaas

I believe that Terri is the only family member who is behind the disappearance of her stepson but ... I do not know her motivation.  I am clinging to the hope that the motivation was to protect Kyron.  This implies that he was not harmed.

Again ... has any "sources" revealed if Tanner's stepmother has been questioned ... the stepmother who resided on Sauvie Island until following the disappearance of Kyron?

Janet

It looks like they jumped to that conclusion to me. They were referring to the questions fielded through email listed here: http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

And the last question is:


I see nothing about "passing" and I am not convinced that LE actually tells people they "passed" when they do.

JMO.

Justin case anybody needs this info, James moved to Roseburg in JANUARY as per Angela's public FB a/c. I posted this in the legal docs thread bc I didn;t know where to put it & thought it could help establish a timeline. If what the landscaper said is true, then this was around 6 months ago that James moved out. What would prompt Terri to be so mad that she'd seek to enlist someone to take out Kaine other than the fact that her boy is gone around 6 months ago? Could this be a case of you got rid of my son, now I'll get rid of YOUR son? According to Angela, he was in Roseburg beginning of this year.

Link:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000663904763

Snapshot:
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/AngelaFBJamesJan.jpg)

I hope you're right Janet.

I haven't read anything about Ann Pumala being questioned and I wonder that as well.  Blink also wondered about the Pumala's:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019