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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10 - 8/29/2010
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 14, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/NatbirdStephany2.gif)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: San on July 31, 2010, 02:44:00 PM
First  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: wreck on July 31, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
First  ::MonkeyBike::
How did you do that???  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on July 31, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
TM

I never saw the Dolph/Renee link.

I don't believe in coincidences.  The Gielen "family" could prove very interesting.  The psychics/psychotics are probably in-laws.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on July 31, 2010, 02:59:41 PM
As for the "movie" -- I hope they lose a LOT of money!! This film is not supposed to be released unti 2011? -- By that time, it will be laughed into oblivion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on July 31, 2010, 03:14:40 PM
As for the "movie" -- I hope they lose a LOT of money!! This film is not supposed to be released unti 2011? -- By that time, it will be laughed into oblivion.

By that time Joran will be on his 1,000 appeal and still rotting in jail in Peru for a murder that Aruba is partly responsible for.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
TM

I never saw the Dolph/Renee link.

I don't believe in coincidences.  The Gielen "family" could prove very interesting.  The psychics/psychotics are probably in-laws.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree COMPLETELY!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm bringing my last post from the last thread over.

I've been thinking about the math on the Hustinx family connections...is it possible?  If so, just how old is Renee really?  Or maybe the question should be could her mother have possibly given birth to children that many years apart?  That must be it, she found Renee under a rock!   ::MonkeyDevil:: 
Maybe I've got the wrong Alphonse, or maybe the family connection is wrong?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8191.msg1196178#msg1196178

I came across this late last night, still digging...thought others might see what they can find too!

Did we know that Renee is Dolph van Stapele's MOTHER, and I missed it?   

I'm adding a couple things that I found interesting so far, but still a lot more digging to do! 

Huge can of worms imo.     ::MonkeyDevil::


http://www.geni.com/search?group=everyone&names=Renee+Gielen

Renee Gielen
Netherlands Antilles

Daughter of Rene Gielen and Emilie Hustinx
Mother of Frederik Ankone, Dolph van Stapele and Maurits van Stapele
Sister of Charles Gielen and Caspar Gielen
Half sister of Louis Hustinx and Alphonse Hustinx

------------------------------------------------------

Alphons Hustinx (1900-1972)

http://hustinx.x-cago.com/hustinx/bio.do;jsessionid=115E6FAD91AE1F2FF3DD8E3DAF0BED1E

http://hustinx.x-cago.com/hustinx/start.do

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Quote
1930-1937

Freelance journalist for among others Maasbode and De Telegraaf.

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Quote
1947-1948

He stays for the Batavian Petroleum Company (Shell Group) a year in Curacao, travel through the Caribbean and Venezuela and made a promotional film about the oil extraction and refining.

-----------------------------------------

Charles Gielen

(http://www.charlesgielen.com/images/046.jpg?913)

http://www.charlesgielen.com/

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/panel/profiles/gielen-charles.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on July 31, 2010, 03:28:15 PM
As for the "movie" -- I hope they lose a LOT of money!! This film is not supposed to be released unti 2011? -- By that time, it will be laughed into oblivion.

By that time Joran will be on his 1,000 appeal and still rotting in jail in Peru for a murder that Aruba is partly responsible for.
I hope he is a rotting corpse by that time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 31, 2010, 04:17:55 PM
Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17

Beth Holloway:  What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  So I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I can’t.  I can’t get justice for Natalee.


http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293

++++++


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/nhrc1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 05:34:47 PM
http://dolphvanstapele.blogspot.com/

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monday, april 6, 2009

New York
Interesting day today. NY first days.

'm With Brian O 'Carroll was. The DP I last year Aritha Franklin and Boyz II Men have filmed. He let me see some work from past years. He has a lot of film (and 16mm 35mm) done. He gave me great-ehthousiasmeert you to do just that even though you no movie roles "in Curacao can buy and it certainly can not be developed on Curaçao, but there are easy solutions. If you can (on 16mm film and is not very expensive compared to the enormous investment of a good HD camera), then I make myself more interesting to the commercial world, if not America Netherlands, let alone the entire Caribbean. And while nothing beats good old film. I'm going a camera test on my wish list (waanizinnig beautiful HD upscale high end) and we immediately look at a 16mm Bolex.

Next week I filmed a commercial in Curacao, and he also has promised to present his film équipement, so I go to HD filming and at the same time on 16mm film so I can also experiment with film and can experience the beauty of it. He takes the film back to NY and then sends me a digital copy so I can install and then we have for the first time in recent history Curaçao on a commercial film made by a 'local'. There is no greater dream you can provide a cameraman than this.
So ..... first day in NY once a very interesting. That's Why You Have to Be Here.

Tomorrow I'll come with my camera testing experience. It's bloody raining here. A picture of my view from my bedroom.
Here a picture of my great aunt "(where I stay in Manhattan). She is the sister of my now deceased 'half' grandfather. She was 91. Go to painting classes every morning and runs faster than me. She's incredible.


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/ReneeGielen_DolphvanStapele_greathalfauntinManhatten2009.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapeleBlogpic02_IMG_0373.jpg)

posted by dolph at 2:03 p.m. 0 responses

sunday, april 5, 2009

Wireless in the plane
This is very funny. They have internet on the plane. 'm Moving to New York.
posted by dolph at 24:19 0 comments
friday, april 3, 2009

Panavision
Today I made a trip from LA.
I had an appointment with the agent of INSPIRE NV, a Dutch company that Curacao is located and where I am director, bought the rights to film them in the Benelux on DVD to deliver / distribute. They also have a large part of the Natalee Holloway movie gefinanciert where I was the DP of Renee and the creator / producer. They have the movie on DVD. Anyway it was very interesting.
Then I went to Panavision was where Rogier introduced me and I've got a tour. Panavision cameras make everything myself to do the big film industry. For me it was the den of the lion in the technical field.
Tomorrow pauses the movie section for a few days. I have rented a bike so go here to make a narrated tour. My hotel is opposite that used baywatch was recorded some years has been running. I skip the boulevard and a little driving around. Sunday early and I fly to New York, but I beat again from Monday. So you blog addicts have to wait until Monday for my next report. You can be sneaky look, maybe do something with me again tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 06:04:51 PM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


hmmm, maybe not the same one.

http://www.geni.com/

Caspar Gielen (c.1953 - c.1953)
Death:    circa 1953 (0 days)
Immediate Family:   
Son of Rene Gielen and Emilie Hustinx
Brother of Charles Gielen and Renee Gielen
Half brother of Louis Hustinx and Alphonse Hustinx
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on July 31, 2010, 06:16:30 PM
TM, you are amazing!! ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like we have a Gielen Production that will be little more than an extension of her
Cockumentary.  I wonder how much financial backing Anita is providing.

I hope that Renee slips on the soap and breaks her hip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 06:23:08 PM
http://www.geni.com/

Emilie Marie Albertine Geraldine Hubertine Hustinx (1913 - c.1998)
Death:    circa January, 1998 (84) - Breda, North Brabant, The Netherlands
Immediate Family:   
Wife of Rene Gielen
Mother of Louis Hustinx, Alphonse Hustinx, Charles Gielen, Renee Gielen and Caspar Gielen
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone



Rene Gielen (deceased)
Immediate Family:   
Husband of Emilie Hustinx
Father of Charles Gielen, Renee Gielen and Caspar Gielen
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on July 31, 2010, 06:54:06 PM
TM, you are amazing!! ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like we have a Gielen Production that will be little more than an extension of her
Cockumentary.  I wonder how much financial backing Anita is providing.

I hope that Renee slips on the soap and breaks her hip.

Magnolia you are too funny.

As for Anita she is loaded and I don't care who says what.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 06:56:41 PM
http://www.geni.com/

Dolph van Stapele
Immediate Family:   
Son of Matthijs van Stapele and Renee Gielen
Husband of Mariska Meulendijk
Father of Loek van Stapele and Sem van Stapele
Brother of Maurits van Stapele
Half brother of Frederik Ankone
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone


http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/matthijs-van-stapele/11/769/175

Matthijs Van Stapele
Owner, Beer & Van Stapele BV
Amsterdam Area, Netherlands
Contact Matthijs Van Stapele
Add Matthijs Van Stapele to your network

Current
Owner at Beer & Van Stapele BV

Past
Senior Vice Pres at ABNAMRO
Connections
3 connections
Industry
Investment Management
Matthijs Van Stapele’s Experience

Owner
Beer & Van Stapele BV
(Investment Management industry)
Currently holds this position

Senior Vice Pres
ABNAMRO
(Investment Management industry)
1974 — 1994 (20 years )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 06:57:38 PM
TM, you are amazing!! ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like we have a Gielen Production that will be little more than an extension of her
Cockumentary.  I wonder how much financial backing Anita is providing.

I hope that Renee slips on the soap and breaks her hip.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyKiss::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on July 31, 2010, 07:28:28 PM
TM, you are amazing!! ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like we have a Gielen Production that will be little more than an extension of her
Cockumentary.  I wonder how much financial backing Anita is providing.

I hope that Renee slips on the soap and breaks her hip.

Magnolia you are too funny.

As for Anita she is loaded and I don't care who says what.


I agree about Anita.  She can cry poverty till the cows come home and I won't believe a word.

She is loaded with ill gotten gains.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on July 31, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
TM, you are amazing!! ::MonkeyKiss::

Looks like we have a Gielen Production that will be little more than an extension of her
Cockumentary.  I wonder how much financial backing Anita is providing.

I hope that Renee slips on the soap and breaks her hip.

Magnolia you are too funny.

As for Anita she is loaded and I don't care who says what.


I agree about Anita.  She can cry poverty till the cows come home and I won't believe a word.

She is loaded with ill gotten gains.

Right


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on July 31, 2010, 08:40:28 PM
Notes from Peru: Stephany Flores gone but not forgotten

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/category/joran-van-der-sloot/ (http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/category/joran-van-der-sloot/)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
http://www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/PaulRuven_FBWall_movie1.jpg)

Google translation:

Taco Stomps Nice still a good title DNA
Wednesday at 6:54 am

Paul Ruven Oddly enough, this title THE DNA, but more on that later ...
Wednesday at 9:10 am

Taco Stomps you make me curious because I'm still not
Wednesday at 3:27 pm

Jayant R. Harnam Congrats Paul!
Wednesday at 3:48 pm

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/PaulRuven_FBWall_movie2.jpg)

Google translation:

Both Tommy If this does not hit, I know no more Paul ... : /
July 27 at 6:40 am

Jamel Aattache timing, timing, timing:)
July 27 at 6:57 am

Christopher Georgesco There is always one  Bad Apple in the Bunch. I Love the Dutch but this guy is a monster.
July 27 at 7:31 am

Bente Wiegman Hi Paul, what a well kept secret that movie about Joran, and then just all the states with the guy. Am very curious about the film
July 27 at 8:16 am

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/PaulRuven_FBWall_movie3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/PaulRuven_FBWall_movie4.jpg)

Google translation:

PAROLE: FILM - Verboom and High in the film about Joran
www.parool.nl
Verboom and High in the film about Joran - The English-speaking film Me & Mr. Jones tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist (The High) that five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is looking for her. He ...
July 25 at 8:41 am · Share
13 people like this.

Michael John Fedun Awesome.
July 25 at 9:26 am

Mark de Blok Even ..... said nothing, very handsome!
July 25 at 9:28 am

Paul Ruven Indeed!
July 25 at 10:08 am

Mark de Blok Am very curious about the movie!
July 25 at 11:08 am

Paul Ruven and I went to the color correction!
July 25 at 11:12 am

Mark the blocks within the new limit set went really well.
Acknowledgements
July 25 at 11:16 am

Marianne Hielkema I believe this will be a special film. !
Clever this movie and dropping
I hope the mother of Natalee that she found a place so they can start teaching.
So bad ... not knowing where your child is.(Edit to change color from red to navy.  MuffyBee)
July 26 at 9:47 am


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on July 31, 2010, 11:09:51 PM
Do you suppose Joran is praying for Algore to bring him a load of global warming!  LOLOLOL

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/peru-freezing-weather-emergency


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 11:37:07 PM
I'm hoping the third try will be a charm... ::MonkeyHaHa::  My ISP must be updating or something...


HT to a very dear monkey in the rafters... ::MonkeyKiss::

http://www.filmcom.nl/index.php?topic=unitedbymusic-bios_en

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/ReneeGielen_DolphvanStapele4.jpg)

Dolph van Stapele, has been working in the field of audiovisual productions for the last 12 years. He has been working as a light & cameraman, editor and made his way to become owner of his own production company, Fisheye Media Productions, working as Director of photography. (Edit to change color red to navy.  MuffyBee)
Dolph can be considered the creative force behind the production process. Fisheye Media Productions mainly produces documentaries, short film and (items for) television programmes. Dolph recently finished the documentairy "Run Churandy, run" about the Olympic Athlete Churandy Martina. This documentairy premiered last month and was very well received. He is currently working on the preparations of an international full feature movie.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on July 31, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
hmmm...

http://www.uhhinvestments.com/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_6.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 01, 2010, 12:25:05 AM
TM on a roll.... :smt038

Been watching and reading.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 12:26:09 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546167#msg546167

johan555 posted...

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #222 on: November 17, 2008, 03:44:00 PM »
Quote
A volunteer works for Dolph van Stapele

Mambo Beach

I am now another two weeks in Curacao, time seems to go fast. It is still very quiet at Fisheye Media Productions, the company where I work placement course. The buses run on time, fortunately, almost always as good as well as directly to my destination, Mambo Beach. If the wheather permits within a quarter of an hour I am on my work, running is a little more than half hour I treasure.

My tutor and co-owner of Fisheye, Dolph van Stapele , is an ex-Marine to his hobby his work has made. He is already more than a decade video productions, including approximately seven years really professional. A nice to know that he is in France training for the jungle commands at the Foreign Legion has done and completed. Once in a while he is here on the island with a friend of him to a shooting there loads bullets to fire with weapons from the extensive arsenal of his friend.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_8_from2008.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 12:28:03 AM
TM on a roll.... :smt038

Been watching and reading.    ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 12:55:37 AM
http://brochures.nhtv.nl/praktijkbureau/overzicht/bedrijven/overview.asp?land=Nederlandse%20Antillen

Overviews of foreign relations NHTV

This is an overview of all relations in Nederlandse Antillen, ordered by organisation name.

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Fisheye Media Productions
Office location: Curacao
Description: BSG is the parent company of the company I internship. I walk internship at Fisheye Media Productions, a multimedia company. This company provides production of film, radio, newspaper and Internet. there is also a part of enterainment, so we are now engaged in a poker event for Hip Curacao Netherlands, this will also be recorded and broadcasted on TV. Fisheye next run I have a small car rental car rental called GTS. These two companies are covered by BSG.
Address: Unit 3 Beach, Seaquarium
Zipcode:
Phone: 00599-95168787
Website: www.fisheyemedia.info

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/FisheyeMediaProductions_9.jpg)

http://bsgcuracao.com/

Business Support Group Curaçao | Hato Handling Bldg. suite 122| Willemstad-Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles|  ( Office: +599(9) 869 3216 | ( Direct: +599(9) 528 8304 | : Fax +599(9) xxx xxxx | * muriel@bsgcuracao.com |

Back to UHH... ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.uhhinvestments.com/business.html

Business Support Group

BSG-Curaçao was founded in July 2006 by the need for qualified personnel, without to employ them as a full employer immediately.
The core-business of the company is to advise and support other companies on custom level for office management, administration, management, communication and IT-technology. BSG Curaçao wants to serve companies in multi-tasking personnel

The primary target group is any other company in need of support. Financial administration is a big part of BSG.
BSG is responsible for the execution of the accounts receivable sub administration if a Dutch telecom company. GTS Car Rental is an important client of BSG, all-round management is all done by BSG.

Address
Hato Handling Building 122
Hato Airport – Cargo Area
Curacao, Netherlands Antilles
Phone: +599 9 461 0997
Fax: +599 9 461 8822
muriel@bsgcuracao.com

(http://www.uhhinvestments.com/img/logo%27s/new/BSG.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 01, 2010, 01:08:43 AM
TM, I found this in anothe thread.  You may have it already, but I thought it might be useful if not.

Gielen
Function   Statutory director
Title description   Managing Director
Name   Renee Marie Louise Gielen
Address   Alexanderlaan 8
Curacao
Netherlands Antilles
Date of birth   November 21, 1949 
Place of birth   Eindhoven
Country of birth   The Netherlands
Nationality   Dutch

Business address   Jan Haayenweg 2  next to the Lions club 

Object categories of the business   Management Company(8612), Administrative/managerial office(8429), Organization and Coordination of Congresses, Seminars and Conventions(8495), Audio-visual productions(9565)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:22:56 AM
TM, I found this in anothe thread.  You may have it already, but I thought it might be useful if not.

Gielen
Function   Statutory director
Title description   Managing Director
Name   Renee Marie Louise Gielen
Address   Alexanderlaan 8
Curacao
Netherlands Antilles
Date of birth   November 21, 1949 
Place of birth   Eindhoven
Country of birth   The Netherlands
Nationality   Dutch

Business address   Jan Haayenweg 2  next to the Lions club 

Object categories of the business   Management Company(8612), Administrative/managerial office(8429), Organization and Coordination of Congresses, Seminars and Conventions(8495), Audio-visual productions(9565)


Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 02:24:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We'll never forget you...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 01, 2010, 02:34:16 AM
ARUBA

ONE SICK ISLAND

STAY AWAY.YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!

ARUBAWARENESS  '2010



 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: billb's daughter on August 01, 2010, 02:46:22 AM
Keepthefaith....Good to see you.... ::MonkeyCool::
Nice to know at the end of the day.....
paulass is already burnt toast....
urine is toast sitting in a Peruvian prison and will be burnt sooner than later..... ::MonkeyDevil::
aruba.......How's that tourist thingy going for you?     Keep it up anita and the dis-info crew......keep making noise and keep what paulass and urine did to Natalee in the news......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 01, 2010, 02:54:34 AM
Keepthefaith....Good to see you.... ::MonkeyCool::
Nice to know at the end of the day.....
paulass is already burnt toast....
urine is toast sitting in a Peruvian prison and will be burnt sooner than later..... ::MonkeyDevil::
aruba.......How's that tourist thingy going for you?     Keep it up anita and the dis-info crew......keep making noise and keep what paulass and urine did to Natalee in the news......

Good evening Billb.As the miscreants attempt to make BLOOD money off this tragedy.They continue to  ::MonkeyShovel:: themselves.Me thinks they BOOZE it up to hide the demons!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: billb's daughter on August 01, 2010, 03:07:53 AM
Keepthefaith....Good to see you.... ::MonkeyCool::
Nice to know at the end of the day.....
paulass is already burnt toast....
urine is toast sitting in a Peruvian prison and will be burnt sooner than later..... ::MonkeyDevil::
aruba.......How's that tourist thingy going for you?     Keep it up anita and the dis-info crew......keep making noise and keep what paulass and urine did to Natalee in the news......

Good evening Billb.As the miscreants attempt to make BLOOD money off this tragedy.They continue to  ::MonkeyShovel:: themselves.Me thinks they BOOZE it up to hide the demons!
You pegged it early on Keepthefaith...
The evildoers are just that....and they will be judged at the end of their day....they won't be able to hide or make excuses for the intentionally hateful treatment of Natalee and Beth, Dave, Jug, family and friends...they are truly miscreants.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: billb's daughter on August 01, 2010, 03:13:22 AM
Good Night billb, Keepthefaith, Agraria and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.
And all Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is where it is at.......and it is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 01, 2010, 03:13:44 AM
It's actually very enlightening that these miscreants can't figure out that they're continuing to throw their own feces all over themselves,over,and over,and over again every time they attempt to disparage Natalee Holloway.Think about it.They're willing to throw feces all over themselves for money & attention.NUFF SAID MISCREANTS.Kermit told me long ago to dawn my feces suit!The foresight of that damn Frog is phenomenal!  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 01, 2010, 03:14:46 AM
Good Night billb, Keepthefaith, Agraria and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.
And all Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is where it is at.......and it is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

GoodNight BillB...Bow Down to Washington..33 days 15 hrs until BYU! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 01, 2010, 10:09:28 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Sunday Funday.....

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/212.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 12:19:50 PM
I don't know if Renee Gielen is simply "filling in" for Eline Van Den Broek for a while on this Saturday radio show or what?   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.facebook.com

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphinFM_Curacao_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphinFM_Curacao_2.jpg)

http://www.dolfijnfm.com/radio/programmas/76-nieuwsweek

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphinFM_Curacao_3.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphinFM_Curacao_4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 01, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
Texasmom are you putting all this info into another thread, so it will not be lost?

Did you see who is on Renee's friends list on Facebook? Who would have guessed  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:26:11 PM
Texasmom are you putting all this info into another thread, so it will not be lost?

Did you see who is on Renee's friends list on Facebook? Who would have guessed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good idea SuzieQ, I really hadn't thought about it.  Thanks.  Does anyone know if there's an appropriate thread already for me to add it to?  Or should I just start another?  TIA

Renee's friend list...there are so many, I'm guessing you mean the first one listed below?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ann Angela is the one that pisses me off the most I think.  The rest...to be expected.  Frankly I was surprised not to see a few other names I can think of. (IFA)

Anita Hugen
Ann Angela
Charles Croes
Dilma Arends Geerman
her son of course...Dolph Van Stapele
and another son...Frederik Ankone
Jan Brennan
Julia Renfro
Mark Purcell
Poentje Castro
Rosalie Klein
Tito Lacle

and a couple other van Stapele's

Krien van Stapele, hmmm interesting  http://nl.linkedin.com/in/etaviation

Matthijs van Stapele - wasn't that Dolph's (and Maurits') father's name?  Really old picture?

hmmmm...no Maurits on Renee's friends list?   

I found a Maurits van Stapele that definitely looks like he could be part of that family...and is on FB friend lists of other family members...hmmm

I guess when you're like she is...two out of three ain't bad.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
Texasmom are you putting all this info into another thread, so it will not be lost?

Did you see who is on Renee's friends list on Facebook? Who would have guessed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good idea SuzieQ, I really hadn't thought about it.  Thanks.  Does anyone know if there's an appropriate thread already for me to add it to?  Or should I just start another?  TIA

Renee's friend list...there are so many, I'm guessing you mean the first one listed below?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ann Angela is the one that pisses me off the most I think.  The rest...to be expected.  Frankly I was surprised not to see a few other names I can think of. (IFA)

http://www.facebook.com (from Renee Gielen's FB friends list)

Anita Hugen
Ann Angela
Charles Croes
Dilma Arends Geerman
her son of course...Dolph Van Stapele
and another son...Frederik Ankone
Jan Brennan
Julia Renfro
Mark Purcell
Poentje Castro
Rosalie Klein
Tito Lacle

and a couple other van Stapele's

Krien van Stapele, hmmm interesting  http://nl.linkedin.com/in/etaviation

Matthijs van Stapele - wasn't that Dolph's (and Maurits') father's name?  Really old picture?

hmmmm...no Maurits on Renee's friends list?   

I found a Maurits van Stapele that definitely looks like he could be part of that family...and is on FB friend lists of other family members...hmmm

I guess when you're like she is...two out of three ain't bad.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


oops...skipped right past Alberto Groeneveldt to get to Anita!  Wouldn't want to leave him off of the list of Renee's FB friends!  ::monkeywine2::

added the link too! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 01, 2010, 01:33:37 PM
TM,

At the moment, I cannot think of a thread....maybe someone else can. 

If you create a thread it could always be merged, if needed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:38:17 PM
Texasmom are you putting all this info into another thread, so it will not be lost?

Did you see who is on Renee's friends list on Facebook? Who would have guessed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good idea SuzieQ, I really hadn't thought about it.  Thanks.  Does anyone know if there's an appropriate thread already for me to add it to?  Or should I just start another?  TIA

Renee's friend list...there are so many, I'm guessing you mean the first one listed below?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ann Angela is the one that pisses me off the most I think.  The rest...to be expected.  Frankly I was surprised not to see a few other names I can think of. (IFA)

http://www.facebook.com (from Renee Gielen's FB friends list)

Anita Hugen
Ann Angela
Charles Croes
Dilma Arends Geerman
her son of course...Dolph Van Stapele
and another son...Frederik Ankone
Jan Brennan
Julia Renfro
Mark Purcell
Poentje Castro
Rosalie Klein
Tito Lacle

and a couple other van Stapele's

Krien van Stapele, hmmm interesting  http://nl.linkedin.com/in/etaviation

Matthijs van Stapele - wasn't that Dolph's (and Maurits') father's name?  Really old picture?

hmmmm...no Maurits on Renee's friends list?   

I found a Maurits van Stapele that definitely looks like he could be part of that family...and is on FB friend lists of other family members...hmmm

I guess when you're like she is...two out of three ain't bad.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


oops...skipped right past Alberto Groeneveldt to get to Anita!  Wouldn't want to leave him off of the list of Renee's FB friends!  ::monkeywine2::

added the link too! ::MonkeyWink::

Goodness gracious...how could I have missed this one! 

Angela DiLorenzo Munzenhofe(r)

Surely wouldn't want to leave her out either!  Hopefully that's all of the known ones...  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
TM,

At the moment, I cannot think of a thread....maybe someone else can. 

If you create a thread it could always be merged, if needed.

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 01:46:36 PM
Well when I looked again Maurits IS on her list.   He didn't show up in a search of the list by the last name.  I forget that the settings can be made to do that.  Hers is that way too.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 07:13:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76028.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Again attention to cycling after tragic accident

July 31, 2010, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/31-wielerbond-bloemetje2-_s.gif)


The Aruba Cycling morning put a bouquet on the spot where the 12-year-old Yasir Medina died yesterday afternoon after he hit a truck.

ORANGE CITY - After the tragic accident on the bridge at Renaissance Hotel yesterday, there is renewed attention to the safety of cyclists in traffic. Moreover, asking themselves if that cycle now finally come to politics and government for years promise. The Aruba Cycling Union (AWB), which this morning with 50 members stood on the bridge in memory of the young victim.

by our reporter
Sharina Henriquez

Anything left after eight cyclists from Price Mart on the LG Smith Boulevard, where they were this time completely free rein. On the bridge they stopped for the pedestrian crossing when the 12-year-old Yasir Medina was killed. At the curb where his pedal against it came to mean that the boy had not been laid a bouquet. Chairman of the cycling, Juelle Thode, does and says a word with this action to make motorists aware. "Give cyclists space. Reduce speed and keep your distance. Give children the opportunity to pursue their sport. "Here she points out that next week eighty young cyclists from abroad for the Caribbean Cycling Youth Championships which organizes Aruba. The other races are held on the road. "We can not let an incident like yesterday's event affected. So we ask motorists to take this into account. "

After a short prayer prosecute cyclists the route to the centrum by Caya Betico Adriaan Croes and Lacle Boulevard to the beginning. Method follows the procession in her car. As she points out that shortly after the accident became known, members called each other to ask if the 'one of them'. "When you hear that a cyclist killed, then the chances are that it is a well-known. These are emotions that none of us want to experience again. "Yasir was not a member, but that does not matter, she says. "We want to Cycling like more people to cycle steps, whether it is recreational or competition. Especially children, but they must be able to feel safe. "The accident of yesterday, sees them as bad 'PR'. "Later children do not want more bikes because it was too dangerous. We can not allow it. "

Sixth sense
The President is now the roads are not suitable for cyclists. And certainly not for training. "We train the youth selection now, but it is difficult. They can not go all out, for fear that you create a car or do not prioritize. Everyone has a story of a near collision. "The rise in recent years and no accidents have happened yesterday with her members, she says, has to do with what Thode describes as the Sixth Sense. "They can often prevent accidents because they are all dangerous situations."

But developing an extra sense is not a solution. The association advocates for years cycle. "These plans are long in the making, but never implemented. For the recreational cyclist is at least one solution. "The cyclists will contest the league like a velodrome, a closed racetrack. Since then the children can at least train with a high speed without disturbing the traffic, said Thode.

What exactly happened and yesterday, the president does not know. She was unaware that the boy was killed just before the accident with his friends tried hitching a ride with the truck. Thode understand that there is another side of the story is: cyclists who do not behave properly in traffic. "Therefore, I note today that you as a cyclist own precautions. So do not go home without a helmet. But I warn them not to even red riding against traffic. If something happens, it's your own fault. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 07:16:37 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76030.php

Google translation:

Colombians easier to Aruba

July 31, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Colombian travelers can now come to Aruba with greater ease. It comes from a change in visa policy. Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism is pleased with the changes and want to take this even one step further: the abolition of visa requirement for Colombians.

According Oduber are the arguments which the visa requirement for Colombians was introduced in 2003 no longer valid. The objectives of the policy would then no longer apply. Oduber says the tourism industry of Colombia looks for visa-free travel to Aruba. He speaks in this context not only tourists but also to travel agents and other representatives from the industry.
The most recent change in visa requirement for Colombians on the abolition of the scheme that a Colombian first voyage made to a country that has tolerated the Kingdom, before he can enter Aruba. This involves Canada, the United States and countries that have signed the Schengen treaty.

"That was an unfortunate situation, because it often led a group of passengers, such as relatives, could not travel together because some people already have their Canadian, U.S. or Schengen visas were used, but others do not. Many Colombians in such situations, rather than opt for a destination other than Aruba. "

Oduber estimates that the visa change 30-40 percent more Colombians to Aruba will perform. "Right now there are many wealthy people in Colombia who have visas while the other, that of America, Canada and Schengen, but 35 percent of these people never use these visas, so they can not easily be able to Aruba."

Oduber says that there are currently Kingdom level is viewed or the duration of the Colombian visa can be extended from 1 to 3 years. Another possible change is that Colombians several times of their visa can use. At present the use of the visa is limited to only a few times, mainly the business contacts between Colombia and the Aruban tourism industry hinders.

Oduber said he would like to completely abolish the visa requirement does. Matter is still no political agreement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 01, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/20358-despedida-di-studiantenan-rumbo-pa-hulanda.html

Looks like Hiram Vrolijk to me on the left...and I think the name tag says Aldrich (Kelly?) on the right.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/08012010_HiramVrolijk_AldrichKelly.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 02, 2010, 12:14:55 AM
Thank-you TexasMom!!! VERY intersting developments! The "movie" will be DOA!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 02, 2010, 01:02:48 AM
TxMom, that is definitely Hiram.  It appears there was some sort of fundraiser held at thier home recently?

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=100

Is this the same residence as the one you posted about being for sale?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 01:09:45 AM
Dennis Jacobs - Messing with the Statements

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189:
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182:
The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs. He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda. But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most …

I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten.

Page 183: I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers’s name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone’s statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 02, 2010, 01:10:19 AM
Thank-you TexasMom!!! VERY intersting developments! The "movie" will be DOA!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck,  I certainly hope your are correct.  This has just made me ill that they are still at it even in light of Joran's recent atrocities.  I guess Aruba thought people would have forgotten enough of the details and so now would be the time to try to do a total revision of the events.

I think Joran put a real kink in their sick plans to tra Natalee and gain sympathy for Joran.  Otherwise I believe it would have totally been much worse.

They are making themselves suspended in time in denial of what really happened.  I hope as things develop in Peru and the contrast in what Peru does and what Aruba failed to do become more apparent, that Aruba will be given the blame for Stephany's death as well. 

They deserve it so badly.  If only they had acted in a civilized manner instead of going so all out to protect one of their own, Stephany Fores would be alive and Joran would have been in jail whre he belonged.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 02, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
TxMom, There is a photo of Val here.  I think it is #41.

And yes, I have forgotten how to post a photo.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 02:46:18 AM
TxMom, There is a photo of Val here.  I think it is #41.

And yes, I have forgotten how to post a photo.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::

Latin Night @ Confessions nightclub 30july'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11008&Itemid=63)

Valentijn Vandersloot, Paris Rasmijn, and Adrian Cardoso


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 03:07:17 AM
TxMom, that is definitely Hiram.  It appears there was some sort of fundraiser held at thier home recently?

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=100

Is this the same residence as the one you posted about being for sale?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8191.msg1193771#msg1193771

http://www.facebook.com

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs082.ash2/37444_414993003678_512058678_4394058_5476351_n.jpg)


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.arubayp.com%2FAruba%2FResidential%2FV%2F3%2Fbook&ei=e7dPTJCeFcL98Abgm9m8AQ&usg=AFQjCNH4WQlPNiKZ167ypfjjyG5LVGDD8g

Vrolijk, Egilio Bella Vista 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLE5V2a0Hj8

snip

Date | Friday, July 30th, 2010
Location| Bella Vista #10, Ildo Vrolijk Residence, Tierra del Sol
Time| 7:30pm - 11:00pm
Dress | Dress to Impress & Thrill
Contribution Fee | Afls. 100,-... (Premium Open Bar All Night Long)

snip

http://www.tierradelsol.com/realestate/for_sale.html#resales

BELLA VISTA, Custom Homes

Bella Vista 9 & 10; 3389 m² / 36,444 sqft; 5 bedrooms / 5 bathrooms

The home sits on over a quart-acre of land overlooking the ocean and has breathtaking and expansive views of the island. The elegant foyer features a sweeping circular staircase and custom ironwork. At the ground floor you find an office, hobby room and a spacious family cinema room. The gourmet kitchen offers everything needed to prepare amazing menus, a second kitchen is specially installed for preparing fish dishes. The 1st floor master suite with private balcony and 13 foot high ceilings opens to the gorgeous master bathroom. The outside of the home features a resort-style pool with guest house and gym, a pool bar, separate Jacuzzi on a higher level overlooking the pool area, and professionally landscaped gardens.

Priced at: $ 6,500,000

http://www.tierradelsol.com/realestate/fotoframe.html?fid=409

(http://www.tierradelsol.com/photos/1257950992.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=100#category

Glitz&Glam fundraising party @ Residencia IldoVrolijk 30july'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=100&id=10940&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=100&id=10887&Itemid=63)

Ivana Werleman (I have several older pics of her out in the clubs with Aline Hibbert) ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=100&id=10885&Itemid=63)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 04:01:22 AM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=104

Confessions & SouthBeach Lounge 31july'10

Maki Wiggins and Gabriela García Guédez (she will be a senior at ISA in the fall...18?)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11267&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11266&Itemid=63)

Great shot of the past island top model, lol... and that looks like Val and Olivia in the background?

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11259&Itemid=63)

Olivia Zeolla...not sure who he is but he looks very familiar!

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11250&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11244&Itemid=63)

Aitana Cardoso (she'll be a senior too at ISA in the fall iirc, doubt very seriously she's 18..jmo)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11243&Itemid=63)

Aitana in the middle in this one...

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11196&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11193&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11160&Itemid=63)

Adrian and Val in the background

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11242&Itemid=63)

Sasha Rodriguez in the black and white checked shirt.... I think that may be her girlfriend in front of her.    ::MonkeyWink:: ::monkeydust::

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11182&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=104&id=11181&Itemid=63)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 04:22:18 AM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category

 ::MonkeyShocked::  really bad hair day!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11051&Itemid=63)

Hiram Vrolijk and Edgard Sune

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11027&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11021&Itemid=63)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 04:25:31 AM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category

LatinNight @ Confessions nightclub 30july'10

 ::MonkeyShocked::  really bad hair day!   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11051&Itemid=63)

Hiram Vrolijk and Edgard Sune

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11027&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11021&Itemid=63)



edit to add event title


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 04:27:35 AM
I didn't get to the new thread today, but I'll do it later.  I had too many irons in the fire today.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 04:28:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: jen3560 on August 02, 2010, 09:32:15 AM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great find, Txmom.  I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to this whole mess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 02, 2010, 10:21:36 AM
TxMom, There is a photo of Val here.  I think it is #41.

And yes, I have forgotten how to post a photo.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::

Latin Night @ Confessions nightclub 30july'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11008&Itemid=63)

Valentijn Vandersloot, Paris Rasmijn, and Adrian Cardoso

Val looks more and more like Paulus to me (eyes).  He will grow up to be as big of a sneak as his father.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 02, 2010, 10:36:12 AM
 :smt035 :smt034   Monday, Monday....

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/213.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 02, 2010, 10:46:59 AM
I didn't get to the new thread today, but I'll do it later.  I had too many irons in the fire today.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Well, please keep putting them in here as well.  I always have trouble finding those other threads and
I am afraid I will miss something. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
Great to see you jen3560!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I won't be here as much for the next few days,  I hope I'll be able to check in at all.  But I've found a couple things that I found interesting that I thought others might want to take a look at too.  Genealogy is about as much fun to me as maps (note sarcasm).  So I'm not very confident in the information I've found so far.  One thing being did almost 50 year old women really still have children in 1949?  And then have another child four years later?  I think it would have been odd to say the least.  JMO  

Anyway...with the geni.com information I found another site with genealogy information that lists a Catarina Hugens in the original text (translates to Catarina HUGEN) as the mother of the Gielen family patriarch Henricus Gielen.  He was the only child of Catarina Hugen(s) and Renerus Gielen.  If I'm thinking correctly Henricus would have been Renee's (4 greats) grandfather.  With very little information of the Hugen family, I've never found anything that I would consider significant.  My gut has always told me that there was something else behind Renee Gielen's determination to spread disinformation in this case, and I've thought many times that maybe she was related to the Vandersloot's.  When I went to the page last night, it automatically translated so when I saw Catarina Hugen in the full pedigree for who I believe may be Renee Gielen's father, my eyes nearly popped out.  lol  I'd like to spend some more time looking at it all when I can, but one other thing I noted is that Caspar was born in Telburg...could that be Tilburg?

Here are the links.

http://www.genealogieonline.nl/gielen-stamboom/I258.php

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/ReneeGielen_FatherReneAntoineHenriGielenGenealogyInfo1-1.jpg)

http://www.genealogieonline.nl/gielen-stamboom/kwartierstaat.php?id=I258

If this information is correct, this is my interpretation of it.  JMO   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/ReneeGielen_FatherReneAntoineHenriGielenGenealogyInfo3-1.jpg)

I found this one interesting too, a younger (than the above) Rene Gielen that passed away within weeks of Paulus, his wife's name is Maria Croes.

http://www.inmemoriam.be/nl/2010-02-23/rene-gielen/((2))/

I'd love it if someone could find the Hugen side of all of this!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 12:08:09 PM
TxMom, There is a photo of Val here.  I think it is #41.

And yes, I have forgotten how to post a photo.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=101#category

Thanks Anna!   ::MonkeyCool::

Latin Night @ Confessions nightclub 30july'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=101&id=11008&Itemid=63)

Valentijn Vandersloot, Paris Rasmijn, and Adrian Cardoso

Val looks more and more like Paulus to me (eyes).  He will grow up to be as big of a sneak as his father.

My sentiments exactly.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 02, 2010, 12:09:16 PM
I didn't get to the new thread today, but I'll do it later.  I had too many irons in the fire today.

 ::MonkeyCool::




Well, please keep putting them in here as well.  I always have trouble finding those other threads and
I am afraid I will miss something. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I will Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 06:04:02 PM
IT'S DEVASTATING!

Karin Janssen - January 25, 2006


The case's prosecutor has reported that there could be “some fireworks” at the end of the month, Holloway said, but the official did not indicate why.

http://www.meridianstar.com/articles/2006/01/26/local_news/news_stories/a1-holloawy.txt


Gerold Dompig - June 4, 2005

"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html


Jan Vander Straaten - June 5, 2005

"We hope she's alive," police commissioner Jan van der Straaten said. "Everyday I see the light at the end of the tunnel."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html


Beth Holloway - January 29, 2006

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 07:13:06 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/20386-faya-bo-hayatatanan-cu-no-ta-paga-alimentatie-tin-cu-considera-awor.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.150.100.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.augustus.aug02.faya_bo_haya.jpg)

Oficina David Kock & Wix: Ta persigui tatanan cu no ta paga alimentatacion di nan yiu      Print      E-mail
Monday, 02 August 2010 11:16
image-98945-galleryV9-pwtd
"Van een kale kip kan je niet plukken’. E argumento aki hopi persona cu tin e obligashon pa paga alimentashon ta usa pa keda sin cumpli cu e deber aki. Nos tur sa di e casonan di tatanan cu ta traha zwart y cu no ta cumpli cu pagonan di alimentacion. Door cu nan no tin trabou legal of fijo, no por pone beslag riba nan salario. Ley, sin embargo, ta duna juez e posibilidad pa encarcela un persona cu ta nenga di cumpli cu su obligashon pa paga alimentashon. E posibilidad aki cu juez tin no ta a base di leynan penal, sino abase di leynan civil y e ta wordo jama rehen (gijzeling of lijfsdwang). E persona cu tin e derecho pa ricibi alimentashon mester hasi un petishon pa juez por aplica esaki.
 
 

Kiko ta rehen?  Rehen ta un action cu por compara cu detenshon door di agentenan policial. E diferencia cu detenshon ta cu e persona cu ta wordo priva di su libertad como rehen no a comete un delito penal. E meta di e action aki ta pa ejerce preshon riba e persona cu tin e obligashon pa paga alimentashon, pa asina finalmente logra pa e persona aki paga e suma cu e ta debe. E persona aki su libertad ta wordo priva pa medio di encarselashon na KIA y e por wordo encarsela pa un tempo maximo di un anja.
 
 

Ki ora juez por aplica esaki?  Naturalmente mester cumpli cu e condishon nan cu ley ta duna juez pa por aplica esaki. Na prome lugar mester trata di incumplimento cu un desishon di juez pa paga un cierto suma di alimentashon. Esaki por ta alimentashon pa pareha of alimentashon pa yui(nan). Na di dos lugar mester ta evidente cu otro posibilidadnan lo no duna un resultado (p.e. beslag). Siguientemente e interes di e persona cu tin e derecho pa ricibi alimentashon mester justifica e rehen. Y finalmente mester ta evidente cu e persona ta capaz y tin manera pa cumpli cu su obligashon pa paga.
 
 Recientemente Aruba a conoce su prome caso (den tempo moderno) caminda cu juez a honra e petishon pa aplica rehen. E caso aki ta trata di un tata cu no tawata cumpli cu su obligashon pa paga alimentashon pa su yui. Pa casi tres anja largo e tata aki a nenga di paga e suma di alimentashon cu juez a ordene pa e paga. E tata aki a argumenta cu e no tin manera pa cumpli cu e desishon di juez aki. Sin embargo juez no a haya cu e tata aki a substancia su argumento cu e no por paga. Mirando cu den e caso aki beslag no a duna resultado y mirando cu e obligashon pa paga alimentashon na un yui ta uno di gran importancia cu e interes di e yui den e caso aki a justifica e rehen di e tata, e juez a dicta cu e tata lo wordo encarcela pa 6 luna si e no cumpli cu e obligashon di alimentashon.
 
 Mester remarca cu e ora si di biaha e tata aki a jega na un areglo pa paga e suma atrasa, pa asina evita cu e tin cu pasa un tempo den KIA.
 

E procedura aki ta especialmente interesante den e casonan cu e tata no tin un entrada legal – pues e ta traha zwart- of ta un independiente, como tambe den casonan cu tur su pertenencianan ta riba nomber di famia of amigo, y pa e motibo aki no ta duna posibilidad pa pone beslag pa haya pago.
 

E caso recien aki ta habri porta pa tur e mamanan y/of yuinan cu no por a cobra nan alimentashon, ya cu awor nan a haya un arma potente pa por preshona pa haya nan pago.


Through translator:

office david kock & wix: is persigui tatanan cu do not pay alimentatacion by they child

monday, 02 august 2010 11:16

 "van een kale kip kan je niet plukken’ (Dutch translation:  of a bald chicken can not pluck  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ). the argument here quite person cu have the obligashon before pay alimony is using before remain without keep cu the duty here. we all know by the casonan by tatanan cu is work zwart y cu do not keep cu payments by alimentacion. door cu they not have job legal or fijo, not can laydown beslag on they salary. ley, without embargo, is give juez the posibilidad before encarcela one person cu is deny by keep cu her obligashon before pay alimony. the posibilidad here cu juez have do not owing to base by leynan penal, but abase by leynan civil y the is wordo jama rehen (gijzeling or lijfsdwang). the person cu have the derecho before ricibi alimony have to do one petishon before juez can aplica this. that is rehen? rehen is one action cu can compara cu detenshon door by agentenan policial. the diferencia cu detenshon is cu the person cu is wordo priva by her freedom because rehen not owing to comete one delito penal. the aim by the action here is before ejerce preshon on the person cu have the obligashon before pay alimony, before so finalmente succeed for her person here pay the suma cu the is debt. the person here her freedom is wordo priva by encarselashon at kia y the can wordo encarsela before one time maximo by one anja. when juez can aplica this? naturally have to keep cu the condishon they cu ley is give juez before can aplica this. at first lugar have to deal by incumplimento cu one decision by juez before pay one cierto suma by alimony. this can is alimony before pareha or alimony before yui(nan). at by two lugar have to is evidente cu another posibilidadnan will not give one result (p.e. beslag). siguientemente the interest by the person cu have the derecho before ricibi alimony have to justifica the rehen. y finalmente have to is evidente cu the person is capaz y have manner before keep cu her obligashon before pay. recientemente aruba owing to conoce her first caso (den time moderno) caminda cu juez owing to honor the petishon before aplica rehen. the caso here is deal by one father cu not tawata keep cu her obligashon before pay alimony before her yui. before casi three anja largo the father here owing to deny by pay the suma by alimony cu juez owing to ordene for her pay. the father here owing to argumenta cu the not have manner before keep cu the decision by juez here. without embargo juez not owing to attain cu the father here owing to substancia her argument cu the not can pay. mirando cu in the caso here beslag not owing to give result y mirando cu the obligashon before pay alimony at one yui is uno by great importancia cu the interest by the yui in the caso here owing to justifica the rehen by the father, the juez owing to dicta cu the father will wordo encarcela before 6 moon if the not keep cu the obligashon by alimony. have to remarca cu the hour if by trip the father here owing to jega at one areglo before pay the suma atrasa, before so evita cu the have cu happen one time in kia. the procedura here is especialmente interesting in the casonan cu the father not have one entrance legal – then the is work zwart- or is one independant, because also in casonan cu all her pertenencianan is on name by family or amigo, y for her motibo here do not give posibilidad before laydown beslag before attain payment. the caso recien here is open door before all the mamanan y/of yuinan cu not can owing to cobra they alimony, already cu at present they owing to attain one arm powerful before can preshona before attain they payment. come across

Looks like someone (Kock) trying to get out of alimony and chld support?  It's all Dr. Phil's fault! KARMA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 02, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
Of a bald chicken can not pluck about says it all.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 08:08:16 PM
Of a bald chicken can not pluck about says it all.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, I loved that, LOLOL.  Guess it's like you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip?  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 02, 2010, 08:08:24 PM
Texasmom:  

I bet your eyes did almost pop out when you saw the Hugens/Hugen name!!!!  Interesting research ...    ::MonkeyEek::   wow

Everything connected to Aruba seems so convoluted; Thanks for all your hard work.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 08:43:48 PM
IT'S DEVASTATING!

Aruban Minister of Justice Spokesperson – June 11, 2005

David Croes, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Rick Leventhal (Fox News) – June 15, 2005

"We reconfirmed the information with Croes before going on-air with it."
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html


Beth Holloway - January 29, 2006

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: Blue Moon on August 02, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great find, Txmom.  I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to this whole mess.

Jen, hope you are feeling o.k.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blue Moon on August 02, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
Texasmom:  

I bet your eyes did almost pop out when you saw the Hugens/Hugen name!!!!  Interesting research ...    ::MonkeyEek::   wow

Everything connected to Aruba seems so convoluted; Thanks for all your hard work.

Ono, look in musings--I posted a message for you.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: nonesuche on August 03, 2010, 01:12:16 AM
Texasmom- you are amazing !

ole CAPS really didn't have trouble pulling the wool over moo eyes if he's a Unix Admin  ::MonkeyWink::

I ran across this tonight, remember the big Aruba film festival with Richard Gere? I kept trying to place the strawberry blond - tonight it clicked - Patricia Clarkson.

With her outrage with BP it would be nice if she had mustered up a bit of rage against murderer's island?

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/08/02/patricia-clarksons-rage-against-bp-spills-over/

San - I think Val's going to be quite decadent very soon........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 03, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
 ::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/214.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: pinkbanana on August 03, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Amen!


pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 03, 2010, 10:45:44 AM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 03, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 03, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.
WOW - Just WOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

THANKS!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 03, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
If we get the word out of these "connections" (just like we pre-empted the ridiculous "crockumentary") -- the film will be D.O.A. and a laughing stock by the time it is released in 2011!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 03, 2010, 01:09:28 PM
I hope they sunk A LOT of money into this!!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 03, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
I hope they sunk A LOT of money into this!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope it tanks.

http://www.screenwriting-for-money.com/authors.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 03, 2010, 02:06:37 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.
WOW - Just WOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

THANKS!!!

The incest crowd. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 03, 2010, 05:31:00 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.

I didn't know Ruven directed the Gielen crockumentary.

Michel Drenthe was credited by both.

My post from the last thread:

Update to the latest "Slander Natalee" film by Paul Ruven:

Please recall that when Renee Gielen created her crockumentary, there was a list of credits.  The list was as follows:

    Dolph van Stapele
    Peter Ranzijn
    Michel Drenthe
    Suzanne Jansen

On Ruven's website, film credits are posted as follows:

   Producent is Talent United; distributeur is BFD. De film is ontwikkeld met de artistiek intendant van het Nederlands Fonds voor de Film, Jan Eilander. De film gaat begin 2011 in premiere. Inlichtingen: info@talentunited.nl

scenario: Marian Batavier & Paul Ruven

camera: Joost van Herwijnen

gedelegeerd producent: Jean-Pierre Claes

line producer: Michel Drenthe

http://www.paulruven.nl/37,De-Hoog-&-Verboom-in-film-over-Joran.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: jen3560 on August 03, 2010, 05:31:28 PM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great find, Txmom.  I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to this whole mess.

Jen, hope you are feeling o.k.

Feeling pretty good, Ono.  A bit jittery ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Natalee%20Holloway%20-Aruba%20---%20Stephany%20Flores%20-Peru/cbs42com-header.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
[Beth Holloway:

Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 03, 2010, 08:44:36 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.

Thanks Magnolia for the explanation.  I was getting confused  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 03, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Texasmom:  

I bet your eyes did almost pop out when you saw the Hugens/Hugen name!!!!  Interesting research ...    ::MonkeyEek::   wow

Everything connected to Aruba seems so convoluted; Thanks for all your hard work.

Ono, look in musings--I posted a message for you.  Thanks.

Okee dokee ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 04, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
Good night monkeys...!!!
Monkeys, I am trying to find the pictures of the crime scene where shows stephany's watch... i can not find them  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 04, 2010, 12:29:19 AM
I found them  ::MonkeyCheer4::
http://sueme.web-log.nl/sueme/2010/06/stephany-flores-crime-scene-fotos-3.html (i am not sure if i can post this page... if It can not be posted please moderator delete it :)  thanks)
it is me or the same hand looks totally different in the pictures  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 04, 2010, 12:43:08 AM
Good night monkeys...!!!
Monkeys, I am trying to find the pictures of the crime scene where shows stephany's watch... i can not find them  ::MonkeyKiss::

I don't have the link, but am curious --- what are you loooking for? Maybe we can help!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 04, 2010, 12:48:10 AM
I found them  ::MonkeyCheer4::
http://sueme.web-log.nl/sueme/2010/06/stephany-flores-crime-scene-fotos-3.html (i am not sure if i can post this page... if It can not be posted please moderator delete it :)  thanks)
it is me or the same hand looks totally different in the pictures  ::MonkeyEek::
The watch is on the right wrist -- different lighting, but the bruising looks similar to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 04, 2010, 01:14:21 AM
I hope Aruba's finest see those pictures, and understand that they are all accomplices in my book!Stephany Flores was MURDERED by an Aruban who should have been in prison for an earlier murder in Aruba.Natalee Holloway ring a bell ARUBA! ::MonkeyNoNo::

ARUBA & THE DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS

YOUR TIME IS COMING

TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 04, 2010, 02:27:15 AM
I hope Aruba's finest see those pictures, and understand that they are all accomplices in my book!Stephany Flores was MURDERED by an Aruban who should have been in prison for an earlier murder in Aruba.Natalee Holloway ring a bell ARUBA! ::MonkeyNoNo::

ARUBA & THE DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS

YOUR TIME IS COMING

TICK_TOCK

::MonkeyShovel::



TICK TOCK CLOCK

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/30/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 04, 2010, 07:54:41 AM
http://www.gielen.name/taxonomy/term/3

Casper Gielen

links to

http://www.gielen.name/blog/1

CAPSLOCK2000's blog

From what I can tell goes back to 2006

 ::MonkeyEek::

Maybe just coincidence, but creepy!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Great find, Txmom.  I don't believe in coincidence when it comes to this whole mess.

Jen, hope you are feeling o.k.
OT Do we have a baby yet???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 04, 2010, 07:57:00 AM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.
WOW - Just WOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

THANKS!!!

The incest crowd. 
The Family Tree that does not fork.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SunnyinTX on August 04, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.

this is just amazing....thanks for the clear picture of who is who and related how, on this misadventure...I am continually amazed and pizzed.....back to the rafters


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 04, 2010, 12:04:44 PM
Peru suffers deadly outbreak of bubonic and pneumonic plague
An outbreak of bubonic and pneumonic plague in Peru has killed a 14-year-old boy and infected at least 31 people in a northern coastal province.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/peru/7925151/Peru-suffers-deadly-outbreak-of-bubonic-and-pneumonic-plague.html



While this is not near Joran YET, it is a small country.  Sorry for the INNOCENT people suffering from this and I would sure hate to be so near it and with a boatload of bad karma as is Joran.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 04, 2010, 12:31:06 PM
I know Texasmom isn't going to be here for a couple of days so I am going to post a couple of things out of Amigoe I thought interesting. Hurry back TM.

Geen Navo-bescherming voor Aruba
3 Aug, 2010, 14:16
 
 
De militairen van Marinierskazerne Savaneta zorgen voor de eerste defensie voor Aruba.
ORANJESTAD — Het nieuwsbericht dat Nederland in gesprek is met de BES-eilanden (Bonaire, Sint Eustatius en Saba) over militaire bescherming, heeft duidelijk gemaakt dat de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba geen bescherming genieten van de Noord-Atlantische Verdragsorganisatie (Navo).

Bart Rijs, woordvoerder van het ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken, zegt dat dit geen nieuwe situatie is. “De Antillen hebben nooit bescherming genoten van de Navo. Dit is een taak van het Koninkrijk en een van de hoofdtaken van onze krijgsmacht.”
Artikel 5 van het Navo-verdrag stelt dat in geval van een aanval op een van de aangesloten staten, dit door de andere staten zal worden opgevat als een aanval op allemaal. In het verdrag wordt echter ook melding gemaakt van een geografische limiet. “De zuidelijke grens ligt bij de Kreeftskeerkring. Dus St. Maarten, Curaçao en Aruba vallen hierbuiten”, aldus Rijs. “Maar ook andere eilanden van bijvoorbeeld Frankrijk en Engeland vallen niet onder het verdrag.” Als Aruba betrokken raakt bij een militair conflict, dan is alleen het Koninkrijk dus verantwoordelijk voor de defensie van ons eiland. Directie Buitenlandse Betrekkingen op Aruba kon vanochtend nog geen reactie geven.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76156.php

google translate

No NATO protection for Aruba
August 3, 2010, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

 
 
Soldiers of the Marine Barracks Savaneta provide the first defense for Aruba.
ORANGE CITY - The news that the Netherlands is in talks with the BES-islands (Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba) on military protection, has made clear that the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is no protection of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

Bart Rijs, spokesman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, says that this is not a new situation. "The West Indies have never enjoyed the protection of NATO. This is a task of the Kingdom and one of the main tasks of our armed forces. "
NATO Article 5 of the Convention provides that in case of an attack on one of the contracting states, so by the other states would be perceived as an attack on all. The Convention also refers to a geographical limit. "The southern boundary is located at the Tropic of Cancer. So St. Maarten, Curacao and Aruba are not included, "said Rijs. "But other islands such as France and England are not covered by the Convention." If Aruba is involved in a military conflict, then only the Kingdom is responsible for the defense of our island. Foreign Relations Department in Aruba this morning could not comment.

 
 


 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 04, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
Re-opening Valero delayed
3 Aug, 2010, 09:17 (GMT -04:00)
 
 
ORANJESTAD — The re-opening of the Valero-refinery is delayed until the middle or end of September. Minister of Finances, Utilities, Communication and Energy, Mike de Meza (AVP) announced this yesterday. The reason for the delay is that the activities for the so-called turnaround are larger than initially expected.

Valero-executive Bill Klesse repeated in the media last week that the refinery at San Nicolas by the way would only really open if it makes profit again. “If the activities are ready in September and the conditions favorable, we have the option to resume the production.” The ‘strategic options’ as regards possible sale or joint ventures will be more attractive as well. In any case, the Texan oil company will not be making any new large investments during the rest of 2010. For that matter, the profit figures for the second quarter appeared higher than expected for Valero. It looks like the third quarter will be slightly less favorable.

Electricity
Valero is currently renewing its own electricity network on Aruba. For instance, an entire new control room is being built and a so-called tie feeder of 13.8 kilo Volt installed, which will connect the electricity units with each other. Through these investments, the work of the electricians at Valero will become safer and the own electricity supply of the refinery more reliable, says the concern. Last week this newspaper reported that Valero was busy with the construction of an own nitrogen gas plant.

Contract workers
For the time begin, Minister De Meza is positive about the activities. “Already 700 contract workers are working in the refinery.” De Meza points out that the percentage of Aruban contract workers is high compared to that of the foreigners. Since the activities had started, there had been the usual criticism on taking on contract workers from Curaçao and Venezuela. “Foreign experts are taken on with every turnaround”, De Meza states. He points out that this hasn’t changed in the past twenty years and that Valero had exactly done its utmost this time to take on more Aruban contract workers. One can already observe the positive effect of the activities at San Nicolas, according to the Minister. “There is more activity in the city, more traffic and more is being sold in the shops.”

 
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76167.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 04, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
Could someone tell me what the bolded part in the above article really means?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 04, 2010, 12:39:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76116.php

Imprisonment for American drug courier
2 Aug, 2010, 08:39 (GMT -04:00)
 
 
ORANJESTAD — Last Thursday the court imposed an eighteen-month unconditional sentence on the American Matthew W.P. The convict had used Aruba as intermediate station for drug smuggling. He was caught by customs at the airport on March 1st 2010. At that time, he had been in the company of two females. The intention was to fly to the United States together. The trio had carried a total quantity of 1½ kilos of cocaine. Amongst themselves, they had swallowed and hidden almost 200 balls in body cavities.
The court held P. responsible for the total amount of smuggled drugs. The two females were released. According to the court, P was the brains behind the smuggling and had persuaded the females to travel with him.
The convict himself states he is the victim of criminals. During his apprehension, he declared he was addicted to drugs and had a debt with drug suppliers who had sold him the drugs on credit. The creditors had suggested he travel to Surinam to collect the drugs and convey such in transit via Aruba to the United States. P. had agreed with this suggestion.
The convict alleges he had not persuaded any of the females to travel with him. The women had offered to so themselves. His statement is exactly the opposite of that of his traveling companions, which states that P. had persuaded them with stories on previous successful drug trips to South America. The court sentenced him for drug smuggling and organization of international crime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 04, 2010, 12:43:32 PM
Thank you, SusieQ  And I am  sure TxMom also thanks you for the help  while she is so busy.

I don't think Valero has any real plans to reopen after somebody stole $5 million from them!  They would have to be given massive tax breaks to ever try it again.

I think Aruban officials just might be in denial about that as they can't imagine life on the island without Valero and with tourism reduced.

Karma, baby, Karma!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 04, 2010, 12:48:17 PM
Could someone tell me what the bolded part in the above article really means?


Not sure if I am knowledgable enough in regard to this but here is what I think is going on.

The tax exempt status for Valero expired and Aruba refuses to renew it so Valero was not making enough money with the paying of all the Aruban taxes.  They need major upgrades at the refinery anyway.

So valero keeps trying to just sell the refinery there.  From time to time, Aruba claims they are going to reopen it but Valero never says that it will do so.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 04, 2010, 12:50:43 PM
I can't tell if this person is wanted or is missing. Anyone?

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/2_1280930157.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4072&offId=0

FAMIA A ACERCA AUTORIDAD PA YUDA BUSCA PERSONA PERDI ERWIN DIJKHOFF DI 53 AÑA


E persona perdi ta trata aki di Erwin "Pipes" Ruben Dijkhoff di 53 anja e ta biba na Piedra Plat y sa frecuenta Blue Village appts. 1,66 m halto, postura delega, licht bruin, cabey cortico donker blond y wowo berde. Ultimo biaha cu a mire ta na Piedra Plat dia 26 di juli 2010. Cualkier persona cu por sa e paradero di e persona aki of por a mira e persona aki despues di e fecha menciona aki riba please notifica polis mesora


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Patriot on August 04, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 04, 2010, 02:05:30 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010



 ::monkeyscissors::
"...Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba..."   ::monkeyscissors::

Heh.  That's really hilarious if true.  Joran would stick out like a sore thumb, since he's taller than average and he has that big ole noggin.  I don't think he would blend in very well.  Besides, what makes Joran think Cuba would be sympathetic to a man that has been accused of the brutal murder of a young woman (Stephanie), involved in the disappearance of another young woman (Natalee), not to mention very other charges that may be forthcoming with investigations, which include extorting money, missing young women in Thailand, trafficking in women and etc.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 04, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
Ya gotta luv it!The continued publicity of Urine is PRICELESS!

ARUBA

YA GET IT YET?


I don't much mind justice that is slow as molasses!

TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Patriot on August 04, 2010, 03:20:08 PM
Story about Joran on E news Special 10:00 tonight.

Not sure if this is a repeat or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 04:11:31 PM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

++++++


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/nhrc1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 04, 2010, 04:15:56 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.

this is just amazing....thanks for the clear picture of who is who and related how, on this misadventure...I am continually amazed and pizzed.....back to the rafters

It's prolly just the tip of the iceberg.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 04, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Really just wanted to add a post here, and say Hello. I check several threads every day and of course, this is my MAIN one.

SuzieQ, the article about Erwin "Pipes" Ruben Dijkhoff  - I believe he must be missing. I think the word "perdi" means something like "lost." Thank you for scanning the Aruba papers for us.

Sounds like that film crew is again trolling for a way to make money off of Natalee by "sexing up" the story - at the expense of the victim's reputation. Their previous crockumentary must have been an EPIC FAIL money-wise.

Interesting that Joran (alledgedly) thinks Cuba would be a safe haven. I recall Castro locking up four hijackers of a US plane in 4x4 cells.

Hope everyone is staying cool.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 04, 2010, 04:39:49 PM
Reminder    E news  tonight

    *    6:00 PM  Kourtney & Khloe Take Miami: Kourtney's Denial  TV-14
    * 6:30 PM Kourtney & Khloe Take Miami: Man in the Mirror TV-14
    * 7:00 PM E! News NR
    * 7:30 PM The Daily 10 NR
    * 8:00 PM Kimora: Life in the Fab Lane: The Show Must Go On, Part 2 TV-PG
    * 9:00 PM Holly's World: Operation Angel NR
    * 9:30 PM Holly's World: Careful What You Wish For NR
    * 10:00 PM E! News Special: Joran van der Sloot: E! News Special TV-PG
    * 11:00 PM Chelsea Lately TV-14
    * 11:30 PM E! News NR


Supposedly includes an interview with Anita    :smt102

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/on/index.jsp#ixzz0vfiAnWBm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 04, 2010, 04:47:13 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being killed in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

For punishment, they move him to the general popuation immediately!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 04, 2010, 04:48:18 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being killed in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

For punishment, they should move him to the general popuation immediately!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 04, 2010, 04:52:54 PM
I have a few ideas how they could cure his constipation as well!! .................. think "Ned Beatty".  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 04, 2010, 05:01:36 PM
The rats, in the toilet hole, probably prefer the stool from an inmate that gets food brought in twice a week.  He's probably afraid to take a crap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 04, 2010, 05:17:22 PM
I don't believe in astrology, but since many, on Aruba do, I will post this reading.

Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (born August 6, 1987 at 10:38 PM in Arnhem, Netherlands.....

The ascendant lord of an astrology chart tells a lot about the character of a person, whether a person is a killer or a criminal or a thief or a business person or a spiritual person....

the astrology chart clearly indicates Joran is a killer, and is involved in sex trade profession.....

This time Joran is in deep trouble because he is in Saturn bhukti, the ruler of 12th house in Badhaka planets Mercury’s constellation, and transit Saturn is aspecting the transit Jupiter, the ruler of Joran’s Pisces ascendant at this moment. Transit Saturn is going to aspect transit Jupiter couple of times until March 2011. So this will be a difficult time for Joran, and the planetary energy is indicating prison time for him. Transit Saturn will aspect natal Jupiter, the ascendant lord in the months of Nov/Dec 2011, a very bad time.


Gurmeet Singh

http://www.articlebiz.com/article/1051296003-1-joran-van-der-sloot-arrested-an-astrology-analysis/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 04, 2010, 05:42:06 PM
But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him.


AFAIK, the cheapest and most effective treatment would be a soapsuds enema, not at all pleasant!  Sopasuds enema until satisfactory "results" are obtained.

Any more bright ideas, joran?  You're not in Aruba any more.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
Could someone give the "Reader's Digest" version of who is related to who in this new "movie" venture?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think it goes like this.....

Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary

Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son.

Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin.  etc, etc, etc.
WOW - Just WOW!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

THANKS!!!

The incest crowd. 
The Family Tree that does not fork.

Au contraire. In Aruba, the family that forks together stays together.  :smt025


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 04, 2010, 05:48:36 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ah, reading that did me good.  ::monkeywine2::  I wonder how they "treated" him? My imagination is coming up with several cruel medical scenarios.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
I have a few ideas how they could cure his constipation as well!! .................. think "Ned Beatty".  ::MonkeyCool::

Oh I am! I am! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 04, 2010, 06:47:07 PM
But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him.


AFAIK, the cheapest and most effective treatment would be a soapsuds enema, not at all pleasant!  Sopasuds enema until satisfactory "results" are obtained.

Any more bright ideas, joran?  You're not in Aruba any more.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Well, I always did say he was full of shit...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 04, 2010, 08:13:55 PM
am investigates "loose ends"

Aruba
Team investigates "loose ends" Holloway case
August 4, in 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Justice last Thursday in the area of Tierra del Sol explored in the study of the still missing Natalee Holloway. An investigation team responsible for the file, all "loose ends" to verify. The conclusion of this study was not sufficient grounds for further investigation at this location.

This senior officer Peter Blanken last night to the newspaper said. The dossier was found that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, had 'responded' to an impending search for Tierra del Sol. On this basis, the current research team assesses the "worth it" to re-look at Tierra del Sol. They include the water of a lake investigated, and the water quality and clarity. This is to verify whether divers with remnants of the body of Natalee searches. Blankens chief said last Monday about the new police chief Dolfi Richardson. It became clear that further research in the lake is useless. The disappearance case remains unresolved, but will definitely by a small team continue to be analyzed, said Blanken to Amigoe.

Natalee disappeared in 2005 after a night out at the former nightclub Carlos & Charlies. Last person who saw her was Joran van der Sloot. He was linked to the disappearance several times arrested and interrogated. Joran has to police and several media stories about the disappearance. Following his varying statements and confessions has been called at various places on the island searched for Natalee's body. So far without success.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76179.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Daruba.startpagina.nl%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 04, 2010, 08:22:49 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being killed in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

For punishment, they should move him to the general popuation immediately!  ::MonkeyDevil::


hello monkry friends  makes me think Joran would have killed an orderly cause thats the only way he could get away without setting off alarms,,,unless someone on the outside was willing to help him. well maybe he stashed stefanies gambling wins and was planning to use that for airfare,but hed still need a new passport wouldnt he?  just goes to show criminal mind always at work. albeit with flaws.  What a remorseless creature he is.  sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2010, 11:06:25 PM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 04, 2010, 11:07:18 PM
am investigates "loose ends"

Aruba
Team investigates "loose ends" Holloway case
August 4, in 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Justice last Thursday in the area of Tierra del Sol explored in the study of the still missing Natalee Holloway. An investigation team responsible for the file, all "loose ends" to verify. The conclusion of this study was not sufficient grounds for further investigation at this location.

This senior officer Peter Blanken last night to the newspaper said. The dossier was found that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, had 'responded' to an impending search for Tierra del Sol. On this basis, the current research team assesses the "worth it" to re-look at Tierra del Sol. They include the water of a lake investigated, and the water quality and clarity. This is to verify whether divers with remnants of the body of Natalee searches. Blankens chief said last Monday about the new police chief Dolfi Richardson. It became clear that further research in the lake is useless. The disappearance case remains unresolved, but will definitely by a small team continue to be analyzed, said Blanken to Amigoe.

Natalee disappeared in 2005 after a night out at the former nightclub Carlos & Charlies. Last person who saw her was Joran van der Sloot. He was linked to the disappearance several times arrested and interrogated. Joran has to police and several media stories about the disappearance. Following his varying statements and confessions has been called at various places on the island searched for Natalee's body. So far without success.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76179.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Daruba.startpagina.nl%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com

Thanks, Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 04, 2010, 11:08:21 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being killed in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010

For punishment, they should move him to the general popuation immediately!  ::MonkeyDevil::


hello monkry friends  makes me think Joran would have killed an orderly cause thats the only way he could get away without setting off alarms,,,unless someone on the outside was willing to help him. well maybe he stashed stefanies gambling wins and was planning to use that for airfare,but hed still need a new passport wouldnt he?  just goes to show criminal mind always at work. albeit with flaws.  What a remorseless creature he is.  sl

Thank you, Sandy....good to see you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 04, 2010, 11:10:57 PM
Thanks, SuzieQ!!  Your posting of the news was very much appreciated.


I think TM may be back....I will toast to that, because I cannot keep up with her!    ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 04, 2010, 11:32:45 PM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
Thanks, SuzieQ!!  Your posting of the news was very much appreciated.


I think TM may be back....I will toast to that, because I cannot keep up with her!    ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Thanks 2NJ, yes I'm back.  I've been out of town a few days and am exhausted, and with some other catching up to do it may take me a few days to get back to my usual speed here but I'll get there! 

Thanks for all you do!   ::monkeywine2::



   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 04, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Interesting article you posted Magnolia...I've been trying to recall anything search related with Tierra del Sol...hmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 04, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Interesting article you posted Magnolia...I've been trying to recall anything search related with Tierra del Sol...hmmm


This is purely speculation on my part, but I had hope that maybe it was the foundation of a house
at Terra del Sol that Joran told JQK about.  I know we have heard " tennis club", but that could refer
to Terra del Sol also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2010, 12:19:36 AM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




 ::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Interesting article you posted Magnolia...I've been trying to recall anything search related with Tierra del Sol...hmmm


This is purely speculation on my part, but I had hope that maybe it was the foundation of a house
at Terra del Sol that Joran told JQK about.  I know we have heard " tennis club", but that could refer
to Terra del Sol also.


True, good thinking! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 05, 2010, 12:58:45 AM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




Welcome home, we missed you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: carpe noctem on August 05, 2010, 01:00:09 AM
am investigates "loose ends"

Aruba
Team investigates "loose ends" Holloway case
August 4, in 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Justice last Thursday in the area of Tierra del Sol explored in the study of the still missing Natalee Holloway. An investigation team responsible for the file, all "loose ends" to verify. The conclusion of this study was not sufficient grounds for further investigation at this location.

This senior officer Peter Blanken last night to the newspaper said. The dossier was found that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, had 'responded' to an impending search for Tierra del Sol. On this basis, the current research team assesses the "worth it" to re-look at Tierra del Sol. They include the water of a lake investigated, and the water quality and clarity. This is to verify whether divers with remnants of the body of Natalee searches. Blankens chief said last Monday about the new police chief Dolfi Richardson. It became clear that further research in the lake is useless. The disappearance case remains unresolved, but will definitely by a small team continue to be analyzed, said Blanken to Amigoe.

Natalee disappeared in 2005 after a night out at the former nightclub Carlos & Charlies. Last person who saw her was Joran van der Sloot. He was linked to the disappearance several times arrested and interrogated. Joran has to police and several media stories about the disappearance. Following his varying statements and confessions has been called at various places on the island searched for Natalee's body. So far without success.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76179.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Daruba.startpagina.nl%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com

Thanks, Magnolia.

It still really burns my balls that they have the nerve to call that little woozly azz freak circus Easter Egg hunt they did down there
an investigation.

It is such an insult to good people the world over who perform real ones every day.

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Aruba still sucks it. The Song Remains the Same!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2010, 01:18:52 AM
Hi everyone!  I'm back, just checking in and catching up. 

THANK YOU to all who posted news!   ::MonkeyCool::




Welcome home, we missed you.

Thanks SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
am investigates "loose ends"

Aruba
Team investigates "loose ends" Holloway case
August 4, in 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Justice last Thursday in the area of Tierra del Sol explored in the study of the still missing Natalee Holloway. An investigation team responsible for the file, all "loose ends" to verify. The conclusion of this study was not sufficient grounds for further investigation at this location.

This senior officer Peter Blanken last night to the newspaper said. The dossier was found that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, had 'responded' to an impending search for Tierra del Sol. On this basis, the current research team assesses the "worth it" to re-look at Tierra del Sol. They include the water of a lake investigated, and the water quality and clarity. This is to verify whether divers with remnants of the body of Natalee searches. Blankens chief said last Monday about the new police chief Dolfi Richardson. It became clear that further research in the lake is useless. The disappearance case remains unresolved, but will definitely by a small team continue to be analyzed, said Blanken to Amigoe.

Natalee disappeared in 2005 after a night out at the former nightclub Carlos & Charlies. Last person who saw her was Joran van der Sloot. He was linked to the disappearance several times arrested and interrogated. Joran has to police and several media stories about the disappearance. Following his varying statements and confessions has been called at various places on the island searched for Natalee's body. So far without success.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76179.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Daruba.startpagina.nl%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com

Thanks, Magnolia.

It still really burns my balls that they have the nerve to call that little woozly azz freak circus Easter Egg hunt they did down there
an investigation.

It is such an insult to good people the world over who perform real ones every day.

 ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty:: ::HelloKitty::

Aruba still sucks it. The Song Remains the Same!

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 05, 2010, 01:21:50 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 01:30:52 AM
Just got done watching the "E" special on the MONSTER!He is a MONSTER Anita.. ::MonkeyCool::

ARUBA

THE JORMONSTER IS YOUR CREATION

ARUBA HELPED CULTIVATE IT..

ARUBA WATCHED IT GROW,

TO KILL ANOTHER.HER NAME?

STEPHANY FLORES

THEIR BLOOD WASHES UPON YOUR SHORES DAILY ARUBA






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 01:37:16 AM
The other thing that really caught my attention was that Anita believes in Karma.Really?What the Fu-k does she think is going on then?Some pretty shi__ty Karma there Anita.The only thing I ask from here on out is,that your Karma doesn't touch another's family again after Stephany.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 01:38:45 AM
May God Bless Stephanys family,for they have more compassion then I've seen in quite some time.They represent Peru,and the people of Peru,in such a beautiful way!

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 01:54:42 AM
Keepthefaith and 10 Guests     ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 02:00:06 AM
Keepthefaith and 10 Guests     ::HelloKitty::



Keepthefaith, spooky112483 and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 02:10:07 AM
Keepthefaith and 10 Guests     ::HelloKitty::



Keepthefaith, spooky112483 and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Watching the "E" special I saw exactly where Urine got his attitude towards accountability for his actions.. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 02:12:11 AM
HEY DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS

DONTCHA KNOW....

MONKEYS ALWAYS WIN IN THE END!

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: billb's daughter on August 05, 2010, 02:29:51 AM
Painting anita as a victim with Natalee and Stephany families was disgusting..... allowing melody and anita air time was disgusting........aruba is disgusting...
I so do hate them all......Stephany's sister in law has it pegged.....urine won't survive Peruvian prison....I'll bet $100........... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 05, 2010, 07:54:23 AM
I wonder what our dear sporter is expecting for his birthday tomorrow?
Too bad we couldn't give him a special monkey enema!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jo-An on August 05, 2010, 08:05:57 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010


The Enquirer... so probably not a lot of truth to this story but nevertheless I had a lot of fun reading this!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 05, 2010, 09:16:41 AM
Joran Van Der Sloot Prison Break Foiled By El Payaso
Author Author:
cindy.casares
04 Aug 2010 | 09:27 Comments: 0


The Enquirer says Joran van der Sloot, the 22 year-old Dutchman incarcerated in Lima's Miguel Castro Castro Prison for murdering 22 year-old Peruvian Stefany Flores, tried to get transferred to a hospital by giving himself a ruptured hernia through dehydration.

    Van der Sloot is so terrified of being kiled in prison that he'd do anything to flee," an insider told The Enquirer. "He's now jailed in the high-security area, but he'll soon be transferred to the general population, and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he gets there. Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Van der Sloot allegedly read up on ways to make himself ill enough to get sent to the hospital.

"The prison food made Joran extremely constipated, and he deliberately dehydrated himself to cause cramping," the insider divulged. "He's done a lot of reading in his cell and he learned that a strained bowel can cause hernias. So he complained to the guards that he might have a ruptured hernia. He was hoping to be taken to the prison's hospital ward or, even better, a local hospital."

But his cellmate, infamous Colombian hitman Hugo "El Payaso" Trujillo, was wise to him and, allegedly, tipped off guards who, instead, brought an orderly to his cell to treat him. Cheaters never prosper, Joran! Especially when you have older, wiser cheaters watching you. According to The Enquirer, Joran hoped to escape from the hospital by posing as an orderly and flee to Cuba where, he figured, they'd be sympathetic and not turn him over to The States or Peru.

Source: The Enquirer, Print Edition, August 16, 2010


The Enquirer... so probably not a lot of truth to this story but nevertheless I had a lot of fun reading this!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
The Enquirer is usually on track these days and are often the first with scoops. I think the only thing different about them is they run with stories before they get 2 sources -- (but, I think that is true with MANY News organizations that are deemed credible these days).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2010, 10:29:41 AM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 05, 2010, 11:17:43 AM
CONGRATULATIONS JEN!!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


I Believe

I believe for every drop of rain that falls
A flower grows
I believe that somewhere in the darkest night
A candle glows
I believe for everyone who goes astray, someone will come
To show the way
I believe, I believe

I believe above a storm the smallest prayer
Can still be heard
I believe that someone in the great somewhere
Hears every word

Everytime I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky
Then I know why, I believe

Everytime I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky
Then I know why, I believe

Mahalia Jackson


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 05, 2010, 11:39:13 AM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such happy news!! ::MonkeyDance::

God Bless Jen and her little baby boy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Agraria on August 05, 2010, 11:39:22 AM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::


Congratulations.... JEN!!! What a blessing! A healthy little boy. Tell us his name, etc., when you get a chance.

Glad everyone is doing well.

Blessings

Tricia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 05, 2010, 12:02:57 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::
CONGRATS JEN!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 05, 2010, 12:37:49 PM
CONGRATULATIONS JEN!!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


I Believe

I believe for every drop of rain that falls
A flower grows
I believe that somewhere in the darkest night
A candle glows
I believe for everyone who goes astray, someone will come
To show the way
I believe, I believe

I believe above a storm the smallest prayer
Can still be heard
I believe that someone in the great somewhere
Hears every word

Everytime I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky
Then I know why, I believe

Everytime I hear a new born baby cry,
Or touch a leaf or see the sky
Then I know why, I believe

Mahalia Jackson


Although Ms. Jackson and many others have sung this song, credit should be given to the writers/authors:

I BELIEVE
(Ervin Drake - Jimmy Shirl - Irvin Graham - Al Stillman)


I can recall watching Perry Como, Sinatra & others singing it.....(does that age me a bit...lol)

Best Wishes to Jen & her family on the arrival of her little blessing.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: snoopy on August 05, 2010, 01:40:57 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Wonderful news!!  Congratulations JEN!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: carpe noctem on August 05, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/constipated.jpg)

 :smt099 :smt099 :smt099 :smt099

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: carpe noctem on August 05, 2010, 04:04:03 PM
Close one eye and bite your lip, Joran...

You have to show it who the Boss Man is.


That kid has to be the World's Largest Wussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The freak show, never ends.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 05, 2010, 04:28:53 PM
JEN, Congratulations on the birth of your Son!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 05, 2010, 04:32:36 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/constipated.jpg)

 :smt099 :smt099 :smt099 :smt099

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Except Joran doesn't even have a commode!  It's the ole hole in the floor for him.  And in the freezing cold, too.

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 05, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
And note Joran did not get a doctor.  He did not get a nurse.  He got an "orderly" instead, lol.

Guess they didn't take his antics too seriously.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 05, 2010, 04:35:30 PM
Magnolia and others in the region--how about this heat?  We are supposed to get rain and a break from the heat indices of 110 degrees, etc. this evening.  Good thing as I can't take it any more, lol.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 05, 2010, 05:37:13 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Great news!  Congratulations on the birth of your new baby boy, Jen!! (http://bestsmileys.com/happy/5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 05, 2010, 05:41:57 PM
And note Joran did not get a doctor.  He did not get a nurse.  He got an "orderly" instead, lol.

Guess they didn't take his antics too seriously.

Maybe he got a disorderly orderly.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 05, 2010, 06:02:10 PM
Magnolia and others in the region--how about this heat?  We are supposed to get rain and a break from the heat indices of 110 degrees, etc. this evening.  Good thing as I can't take it any more, lol.



It is pretty hot out there!!  I just keep the air on burrrrrrrr and stay in.   ::MonkeyCool::

Hudson won't even drink his water unless it has ice in it.  He says it's Dog Days.. as he lays
on an air conditioning vent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 05, 2010, 06:04:18 PM
JEN, Congratulations on the birth of your Son!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


I want to hold Jen's new baby.   It feels so good to hold a new baby!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Lifesong on August 05, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
JEN, Congratulations on the birth of your Son!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


I want to hold Jen's new baby.   It feels so good to hold a new baby!! ::MonkeyAngel::

Oh!  Me too!  And new baby smell....ah, heaven.

Congrats, Jen!  I'm just thrilled for you!   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 05, 2010, 08:41:36 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Congratulations Jen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 09:21:49 PM
May God Bless you Jen3560,the baby,and your family as you embark on a most wonderful journey!
::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 09:33:19 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 09:37:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 05, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2010, 09:51:41 PM
This is Alex Matthew's place - Foxy Lady

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4075&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

AUTORIDADNAN DI RECHERCHE SAMENWERKINGS TEAM., TEAM DI ARRESTO COMO TAMBE TEAM BIJZONDERE PROJECTEN REFORZA CU VARIOS POLIS A SUBI CAYA FOR DI ORANAN DI MADRUGA Y TA AINDA RIBA PIA CU UN INVESTIGACION BASTANTE GRANDI UNDA DETENCION A CAY

AUTORIDADNAN DI RECHERCHE SAMENWERKINGS TEAM., TEAM DI ARRESTO COMO TAMBE TEAM BIJZONDERE PROJECTEN REFORZA CU VARIOS POLIS A SUBI CAYA FOR DI ORANAN DI MADRUGA Y TA AINDA RIBA PIA CU UN INVESTIGACION BASTANTE GRANDI UNDA DETENCION A CAY

Den un esfuerzo combina, a haci varios entrada hudicial

Tur esaki relaciona cu esclavitud moderno y traficacion di hende

Ministerio Publico mes no kier duna mucho informacion di e accion combina di diahuebs mainta, cu a tuma lugar rond Aruba. Pasobra e investigacion no ta termina, pero t’e momento a yega, pa haci algun entrada hudicial, pa haya mas prueba contra di loke ta ser investiga di loke por ser denomina como esclavitud moderno y traficacion di hende.

Ta for di algun tempo caba, Ministerio Publico ta haciendo un investigacion riguroso y pisa di actividadnan cu ta tuma lugar e.o. den Foxy Lady Nightclub na San Nicolas.

Esnan cu ta frecuenta San Nicolas y ta gusta bishita e establecimento aki, ta bon na altura cu den Foxy Lady Nightclub, fuera di ta dedica na prostitucion, ta laga e damanan y hasta homber, baila riba bar, practicamente sunu y tin nada hasta sunu, pa satisface nan clientela.

Ta resultando awor, cu aparentemente e personanan aki ta ser droga pa haci actonan cu por ta nan mes no ta consciente di loke nan ta haciendo. Si nan nenga, nan lo ta wordo bati y ordena pa haci loke e “amonan” kier. Ta ser bisa, cu tin hasta practica di sex publico den e negoshi, entre homber cu muher, pero tambe di muher cu muher, y homber cu homber, haciendo uso di diferente artefacto cu ta ser usa den tipo di practicanan aki, pa satisface nan respectivo partner.

E practicanan aki a yega na orea di Ministerio Publico y tumando na consideracion cu ta sospecha hasta cu tin polis envolvi, a laga RST y Landsrecherche pa haci e investigacion y no a pone den man di Cuerpo di Recherche, p’e investigacion no lek.

Diahuebs den prome oranan di madruga, a cuminsa na haci un entrada hudicial na Foxy Lady na San Nicolas, unda nos por a mira presencia di miembronan di Ministerio Publico, hunto cu personal di otro departamentonan di husticia, e.o. di Douane cu un cacho pa hole droga, etc., Nan a keda te den oranan di merdia ta investiga. Ora cu nan a caba, nan a claba e portanan sera, di manera cu ningun hende por drenta pa “tapa” mas prueba cu por tin.

A drenta den un cas na Camay, Noord, y tambe un oficina na Palm Beach.

Maske for di Ministerio Publico, nan no kier duna mucho informacion, nos sa cu a detene sigur Edwardo ”Alex” Matthew y su señora, como tambe Michael Levestone kendenan ta operadornan di Foxy Lady Nightclub y ta propietarionan di e negoshi.

Tin mas hende cu a keda deteni, e.o. un polis di fam S. cu ta traha como security , pero manera menciona, nos no por haya confirmacion di OM ainda.

Alex Matthew no ta un persona desconoci, pasobra den pasado e tabata encarcela, y a hunga un cantidad di comedia, te a hiba su problema internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local di abuso di derecho humano.

Masha yamativo di e caso aki ta, cu dia 2 di april 2009, tabata Prome Minister di e tempo ey, Nel Oduber a haci apertura di Foxy Lady.

UPDATE

Comunicado di Ministerio Publico:

Huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel

Bao guia di Ministerio Publico di Aruba, Seccion di Crimen Organiza di Cuerpo Policial di Aruba y Recherche Samenwerkingsteam (RST) a investiga un organizacion criminal cu ta wordo sospecha di mensenhandel. E investigacion aki a start algun tempo pasa.

Despues di algun luna di investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan a tuma lugar na varios locacion riba diahuebs 5 di augustus 2010.

E investigacion tabata dirigi riba e club nocturno Foxy Lady na San Nicolas. E club nocturno aki a wordo listra riba diahuebs 5 di augustus. A tuma placa, cosnan y un auto den beslag.

Mientrastanto a detene cuatro sospechoso mayor di edad. No ta exclui mas detencion.

E investigacion di mensenhandel lo sigui y lo ta dirigi riba e formanan di extorsion di bailarinanan den e club en cuestion. E investigacion a cuminza relaciona cu kehonan serio tocante e circumstancianan di trabao di e bailarinanan.

Ademas lo tuma lugar un investigacion financiero.

Combati e delito mensenhandel ta un prioridad di Ministerio Publico y ta pas den e maneho regional cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba y e otro paisnan den Reino Hulandes ta hiba conhuntamente.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4075/5_1281021603.jpg)

Through translator:


autoridadnan by recherche samenwerkings team., team by arresto because also team bijzondere projecten reforza cu several police owing to ascend caya for by oranan by madruga y is still on leg cu one investigacion enough big where detencion owing to cay autoridadnan by recherche samenwerkings team., team by arresto because also team bijzondere projecten reforza cu several police owing to ascend caya for by oranan by madruga y is still on leg cu one investigacion enough big where detencion owing to cay in one esfuerzo combina, owing to haci several entrance hudicial all this relaciona cu esclavitud modern y traficacion by person ministerio publico self does not give mucho informacion by the accion combina by diahuebs morning, cu did take lugar rond aruba. because the investigacion do not termina, but t’e instant owing to arrive, before haci some entrance hudicial, before attain more proof contra by thing is being investiga by thing can being denomina because esclavitud modern y traficacion by person. is for by some time come to anend, ministerio publico is haciendo one investigacion riguroso y pisa by actividadnan cu is take lugar the.o. in foxy lady nightclub at san nicolas. esnan cu is frecuenta san nicolas y likes visit the establecimento here, is good at altitude cu in foxy lady nightclub, fuera by is dedica at prostitucion, is allow the damanan y even man, dance on bar, practicamente sunu y have nothing even sunu, before satisface they clientela. is resultando at present, cu apparently the personanan here is being drugs before haci actonan cu can is they self do not consciente by thing they're haciendo. if they deny, they will is wordo beat y ordena before haci thing the “amonan” be willing to. is being say, cu have even practica by sex publico in the business, among man cu muher, but also by muher cu muher, y man cu man, haciendo usage by various artefacto cu is being using in type by practicanan here, before satisface they respectivo partner. the practicanan here owing to arrive at ear by ministerio publico y tumando at consideracion cu is sospecha even cu have police envolvi, owing to allow rst y landsrecherche before haci the investigacion y not owing to laydown in hand by cuerpo by recherche, p’e investigacion not lick. diahuebs in first oranan by madruga, owing to cuminsa at haci one entrance hudicial at foxy lady at san nicolas, where we can owing to see presencia by miembronan by ministerio publico, together cu personal by another departamentonan by husticia, the.o. by douane cu one cacho before give off an odour drugs, etc., they owing to remain till in oranan by afternoon is investiga. hour cu they owing to come to anend, they owing to claba the portanan close, by manner cu neither person can come into before “tapa” more proof cu can have. owing to come into in one cas at camay, north, y also one office at palm beach. although for by ministerio publico, they does not give mucho informacion, we know cu owing to detene assure edwardo ”alex” matthew y her lady, because also michael levestone kendenan is operadornan by foxy lady nightclub y is propietarionan by the business. have more person cu owing to remain deteni, the.o. one police by surname s. cu is work because security come across, but manner menciona, we not can attain confirmacion by om still. alex matthew do not one person desconoci, because in pasado the was encarcela, y owing to play one cantidad by comedia, till owing to bring her problem internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local by abuse by derecho human. very yamativo by the caso here is, cu day 2 by april 2009, was first minister by the time ey, nel oduber owing to haci aperture by foxy lady. update comunicado by ministerio publico: huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel bao guia by ministerio publico by aruba, seccion by crimen organiza by cuerpo policial by aruba y recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) owing to investiga one organizacion criminal cu is wordo sospecha by mensenhandel. the investigacion here owing to start some time happen. after by some moon by investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan did take lugar at several locacion on diahuebs 5 by august 2010. the investigacion was dirigi on the club nocturno foxy lady at san nicolas. the club nocturno here owing to wordo listra on diahuebs 5 by august. did take coin, cosnan y one car in beslag. all the time owing to detene cuatro sospechoso parent by edad. do not exclui more detencion. the investigacion by mensenhandel will follow y will is dirigi on the formanan by extorsion by bailarinanan in the club provided that cuestion. the investigacion owing to cuminza relaciona cu kehonan earnest tocante the circumstancianan by trabao by the bailarinanan. besides will take lugar one investigacion financiero. combati the delito mensenhandel is one prioridad by ministerio publico y is peace in the maneho regional cu ministerio publico by aruba y the another paisnan in kingdom dutch is bring conhuntamente. come across


Then posted at GM:

My buddy Alex Mathew has been arrested in Aruba... By RST...sniffer dog, car impounded and houses searched as well as the Foxy Lady. They said something about him paying low wages! :wink:

This is the Link ******* posted with some pics and Pearl posted a couple more in the Showdown thread at BFN.

http://www.awe24.com/?mai...ffId=0&offDate=2010-8



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 09:53:11 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2010, 09:56:05 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20517-detencion-di-exploitante-di-foxy-lady-matthew-despues-di-entrada-hudicial.html

Detencion di exploitante di Foxy Lady (Alex Matthew) despues di entrada hudicial     Print      E-mail
Thursday, 05 August 2010 14:34

(http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20517-detencion-di-exploitante-di-foxy-lady-matthew-despues-di-entrada-hudicial.html)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FoxyLadyMatthews.jpg)


Den oragan di marduga RST ( Recherche Samenwerking Team ) y Team di Aresto tabata activo na varios adres relaciona cu e exploitante di e establicimento Foxy Lady. Na entre otro e cas, oficina y na Foxy Lady mes a hasi un entrada hudicial. Den esaki e persona cu ta exploita e negoshi di fam Matthew a keda deteni pa mas investigacion. Click lesa mas pa mas detayes. Update: Informacion cu nos a ricibi cu tin 3 detencion total. Den esaki un Agente Policial di inicial E. S. tambe a wordo deteni.
Henter e entrada hudicial aki y e detencion di Sr. Matthew tin di haber cu un sospecho fuerte basa riba e circumstancianan di trabou di e empleadonan cu ta traha na Foxy Lady. Foxy Lady ta un asina jama " Adul Entertainment Club". Den e club aki tin hende homber y hende muher cu ta baila (semi) sunu. Tin sospecho cu e empleadonan no ta trahando bou di circumstancianan regular. Aki ta papia di entre otro orarionan di trabou inhumano, salario no correcto y otro asuntonan no correcto pa cu un contrato laboral. E terminologia hulandes ta: "Uitbuiting".


Pa varios tempo caba tin indicacion di cosnan straño cu ta sosode den e bar aki. Ta referi na e trato cu e empleadonan di e bar ta ricibi di e gerente di operacion, esta Alexander Mattchew. Aunke e bar no ta riba su nomber, e ta e manehador di e negoshi. Tin indicacion cu e circumstancianan den e negoshi aki ta masha cuestionabel debi cu trahadornan por cuminsa traha eynan pero ta parse cu nan no por kita. Un ke otro a hiba autoridadnan pa drenta e establecimiento awe mainta y eydilanti a detene Alexander Matthew. Despues a bay detene e agente di polis di Elton Joshua Sanchez. Un rato despues e conocido security guard Michael Livingstone a bin entrega su mes na Warda di Polis. Parse cu a usa Arestatie Team den e detencionnan debi cu mayoria di e sospechosonan ta conoci di husticia y lo por resisti nan detencion. Alexander Mattchew net tabata subiendo su auto y a hay'e cu hopi placa den su poder. E investigacion awor lo continua pa saca afor kico exactamente ta e negoshi cu ta tumando lugar den Foxy Lady.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
I was once told by a very wise person.Keep doin what your doin,and you'll keep getting what your gettin!JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
Keepthefaith, wreck, klaasend and 28 Guests

Klaas pulls em in,or was it Wreck? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76250.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Foxy1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 05, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
They're all dirtbags  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 05, 2010, 10:10:46 PM
They're all dirtbags  ::rhino::

I'm wondering if the raid and arrests had more to do with kickback money not paid rather than the working conditions of the employees.   :2thinky:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 10:15:39 PM
They're all dirtbags  ::rhino::

I'm wondering if the raid and arrests had more to do with kickback money not paid rather than the working conditions of the employees.   :2thinky:

I think you're too smart for your own good Muffy! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 05, 2010, 10:18:11 PM
They're all dirtbags  ::rhino::

I'm wondering if the raid and arrests had more to do with kickback money not paid rather than the working conditions of the employees.   :2thinky:

I think you're too smart for your own good Muffy! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bringing the media along for the "Perp walk".Letting everyone know what happens when you don't pay your kickbacks!ArubaJustice at it's best... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 05, 2010, 10:24:02 PM
I love that it says Ben King was discredited by the Natalee Holloway case. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 05, 2010, 10:29:28 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 05, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
They're all dirtbags  ::rhino::
::MonkeyShovel::  ::MonkeyBath2::

I think MuffyBee's on the mark...it's about the $$$$.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 05, 2010, 11:47:15 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::
WOW, if you mean last night at 2am, than she did have it on my birthday, August 5th. Thanks God it wasn't on the 6th like Joran's is!
Congrats, Jen and Family. I am certain this gift from Heaven will make your lives a sheer joy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 05, 2010, 11:50:15 PM
Happy B-day, Misgivings.  8/5 is also one of my close friend's b-day, too.

 ::monkeywine2:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 05, 2010, 11:52:07 PM
Happy B-day, Misgivings.  8/5 is also one of my close friend's b-day, too.

 ::monkeywine2:: 
Thanks. It has been a day from Hell. Hearing about Jen's new baby was the hightlight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 05, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
Jug Twitty - February 15, 2008

"Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


++++++


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2010, 12:07:55 AM
This is Alex Matthew's place - Foxy Lady

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4075&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

AUTORIDADNAN DI RECHERCHE SAMENWERKINGS TEAM., TEAM DI ARRESTO COMO TAMBE TEAM BIJZONDERE PROJECTEN REFORZA CU VARIOS POLIS A SUBI CAYA FOR DI ORANAN DI MADRUGA Y TA AINDA RIBA PIA CU UN INVESTIGACION BASTANTE GRANDI UNDA DETENCION A CAY

AUTORIDADNAN DI RECHERCHE SAMENWERKINGS TEAM., TEAM DI ARRESTO COMO TAMBE TEAM BIJZONDERE PROJECTEN REFORZA CU VARIOS POLIS A SUBI CAYA FOR DI ORANAN DI MADRUGA Y TA AINDA RIBA PIA CU UN INVESTIGACION BASTANTE GRANDI UNDA DETENCION A CAY

Den un esfuerzo combina, a haci varios entrada hudicial

Tur esaki relaciona cu esclavitud moderno y traficacion di hende

Ministerio Publico mes no kier duna mucho informacion di e accion combina di diahuebs mainta, cu a tuma lugar rond Aruba. Pasobra e investigacion no ta termina, pero t’e momento a yega, pa haci algun entrada hudicial, pa haya mas prueba contra di loke ta ser investiga di loke por ser denomina como esclavitud moderno y traficacion di hende.

Ta for di algun tempo caba, Ministerio Publico ta haciendo un investigacion riguroso y pisa di actividadnan cu ta tuma lugar e.o. den Foxy Lady Nightclub na San Nicolas.

Esnan cu ta frecuenta San Nicolas y ta gusta bishita e establecimento aki, ta bon na altura cu den Foxy Lady Nightclub, fuera di ta dedica na prostitucion, ta laga e damanan y hasta homber, baila riba bar, practicamente sunu y tin nada hasta sunu, pa satisface nan clientela.

Ta resultando awor, cu aparentemente e personanan aki ta ser droga pa haci actonan cu por ta nan mes no ta consciente di loke nan ta haciendo. Si nan nenga, nan lo ta wordo bati y ordena pa haci loke e “amonan” kier. Ta ser bisa, cu tin hasta practica di sex publico den e negoshi, entre homber cu muher, pero tambe di muher cu muher, y homber cu homber, haciendo uso di diferente artefacto cu ta ser usa den tipo di practicanan aki, pa satisface nan respectivo partner.

E practicanan aki a yega na orea di Ministerio Publico y tumando na consideracion cu ta sospecha hasta cu tin polis envolvi, a laga RST y Landsrecherche pa haci e investigacion y no a pone den man di Cuerpo di Recherche, p’e investigacion no lek.

Diahuebs den prome oranan di madruga, a cuminsa na haci un entrada hudicial na Foxy Lady na San Nicolas, unda nos por a mira presencia di miembronan di Ministerio Publico, hunto cu personal di otro departamentonan di husticia, e.o. di Douane cu un cacho pa hole droga, etc., Nan a keda te den oranan di merdia ta investiga. Ora cu nan a caba, nan a claba e portanan sera, di manera cu ningun hende por drenta pa “tapa” mas prueba cu por tin.

A drenta den un cas na Camay, Noord, y tambe un oficina na Palm Beach.

Maske for di Ministerio Publico, nan no kier duna mucho informacion, nos sa cu a detene sigur Edwardo ”Alex” Matthew y su señora, como tambe Michael Levestone kendenan ta operadornan di Foxy Lady Nightclub y ta propietarionan di e negoshi.

Tin mas hende cu a keda deteni, e.o. un polis di fam S. cu ta traha como security , pero manera menciona, nos no por haya confirmacion di OM ainda.

Alex Matthew no ta un persona desconoci, pasobra den pasado e tabata encarcela, y a hunga un cantidad di comedia, te a hiba su problema internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local di abuso di derecho humano.

Masha yamativo di e caso aki ta, cu dia 2 di april 2009, tabata Prome Minister di e tempo ey, Nel Oduber a haci apertura di Foxy Lady.

UPDATE

Comunicado di Ministerio Publico:

Huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel

Bao guia di Ministerio Publico di Aruba, Seccion di Crimen Organiza di Cuerpo Policial di Aruba y Recherche Samenwerkingsteam (RST) a investiga un organizacion criminal cu ta wordo sospecha di mensenhandel. E investigacion aki a start algun tempo pasa.

Despues di algun luna di investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan a tuma lugar na varios locacion riba diahuebs 5 di augustus 2010.

E investigacion tabata dirigi riba e club nocturno Foxy Lady na San Nicolas. E club nocturno aki a wordo listra riba diahuebs 5 di augustus. A tuma placa, cosnan y un auto den beslag.

Mientrastanto a detene cuatro sospechoso mayor di edad. No ta exclui mas detencion.

E investigacion di mensenhandel lo sigui y lo ta dirigi riba e formanan di extorsion di bailarinanan den e club en cuestion. E investigacion a cuminza relaciona cu kehonan serio tocante e circumstancianan di trabao di e bailarinanan.

Ademas lo tuma lugar un investigacion financiero.

Combati e delito mensenhandel ta un prioridad di Ministerio Publico y ta pas den e maneho regional cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba y e otro paisnan den Reino Hulandes ta hiba conhuntamente.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4075/5_1281021603.jpg)

Through translator:


autoridadnan by recherche samenwerkings team., team by arresto because also team bijzondere projecten reforza cu several police owing to ascend caya for by oranan by madruga y is still on leg cu one investigacion enough big where detencion owing to cay autoridadnan by recherche samenwerkings team., team by arresto because also team bijzondere projecten reforza cu several police owing to ascend caya for by oranan by madruga y is still on leg cu one investigacion enough big where detencion owing to cay in one esfuerzo combina, owing to haci several entrance hudicial all this relaciona cu esclavitud modern y traficacion by person ministerio publico self does not give mucho informacion by the accion combina by diahuebs morning, cu did take lugar rond aruba. because the investigacion do not termina, but t’e instant owing to arrive, before haci some entrance hudicial, before attain more proof contra by thing is being investiga by thing can being denomina because esclavitud modern y traficacion by person. is for by some time come to anend, ministerio publico is haciendo one investigacion riguroso y pisa by actividadnan cu is take lugar the.o. in foxy lady nightclub at san nicolas. esnan cu is frecuenta san nicolas y likes visit the establecimento here, is good at altitude cu in foxy lady nightclub, fuera by is dedica at prostitucion, is allow the damanan y even man, dance on bar, practicamente sunu y have nothing even sunu, before satisface they clientela. is resultando at present, cu apparently the personanan here is being drugs before haci actonan cu can is they self do not consciente by thing they're haciendo. if they deny, they will is wordo beat y ordena before haci thing the “amonan” be willing to. is being say, cu have even practica by sex publico in the business, among man cu muher, but also by muher cu muher, y man cu man, haciendo usage by various artefacto cu is being using in type by practicanan here, before satisface they respectivo partner. the practicanan here owing to arrive at ear by ministerio publico y tumando at consideracion cu is sospecha even cu have police envolvi, owing to allow rst y landsrecherche before haci the investigacion y not owing to laydown in hand by cuerpo by recherche, p’e investigacion not lick. diahuebs in first oranan by madruga, owing to cuminsa at haci one entrance hudicial at foxy lady at san nicolas, where we can owing to see presencia by miembronan by ministerio publico, together cu personal by another departamentonan by husticia, the.o. by douane cu one cacho before give off an odour drugs, etc., they owing to remain till in oranan by afternoon is investiga. hour cu they owing to come to anend, they owing to claba the portanan close, by manner cu neither person can come into before “tapa” more proof cu can have. owing to come into in one cas at camay, north, y also one office at palm beach. although for by ministerio publico, they does not give mucho informacion, we know cu owing to detene assure edwardo ”alex” matthew y her lady, because also michael levestone kendenan is operadornan by foxy lady nightclub y is propietarionan by the business. have more person cu owing to remain deteni, the.o. one police by surname s. cu is work because security come across, but manner menciona, we not can attain confirmacion by om still. alex matthew do not one person desconoci, because in pasado the was encarcela, y owing to play one cantidad by comedia, till owing to bring her problem internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local by abuse by derecho human. very yamativo by the caso here is, cu day 2 by april 2009, was first minister by the time ey, nel oduber owing to haci aperture by foxy lady. update comunicado by ministerio publico: huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel bao guia by ministerio publico by aruba, seccion by crimen organiza by cuerpo policial by aruba y recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) owing to investiga one organizacion criminal cu is wordo sospecha by mensenhandel. the investigacion here owing to start some time happen. after by some moon by investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan did take lugar at several locacion on diahuebs 5 by august 2010. the investigacion was dirigi on the club nocturno foxy lady at san nicolas. the club nocturno here owing to wordo listra on diahuebs 5 by august. did take coin, cosnan y one car in beslag. all the time owing to detene cuatro sospechoso parent by edad. do not exclui more detencion. the investigacion by mensenhandel will follow y will is dirigi on the formanan by extorsion by bailarinanan in the club provided that cuestion. the investigacion owing to cuminza relaciona cu kehonan earnest tocante the circumstancianan by trabao by the bailarinanan. besides will take lugar one investigacion financiero. combati the delito mensenhandel is one prioridad by ministerio publico y is peace in the maneho regional cu ministerio publico by aruba y the another paisnan in kingdom dutch is bring conhuntamente. come across


Then posted at GM:

My buddy Alex Mathew has been arrested in Aruba... By RST...sniffer dog, car impounded and houses searched as well as the Foxy Lady. They said something about him paying low wages! :wink:

This is the Link ******* posted with some pics and Pearl posted a couple more in the Showdown thread at BFN.

http://www.awe24.com/?mai...ffId=0&offDate=2010-8



Thanks Klaas, very interesting!   ::MonkeyCool::

These caught my eye...

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owing to haci several entrance hudicial all this relaciona cu esclavitud modern y traficacion by person

esclavitud, spanish translation = slavery

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because the investigacion do not termina, but t’e instant owing to arrive, before haci some entrance hudicial, before attain more proof contra by thing is being investiga by thing can being denomina because esclavitud modern y traficacion by person.

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cu apparently the personanan here is being drugs before haci actonan cu can is they self do not consciente by thing they're haciendo. if they deny, they will is wordo beat y ordena before haci thing the “amonan” be willing to. is being say, cu have even practica by sex publico in the business, among man cu muher, but also by muher cu muher, y man cu man, haciendo usage by various artefacto cu is being using in type by practicanan here, before satisface they respectivo partner. the practicanan here owing to arrive at ear by ministerio publico y tumando at consideracion cu is sospecha even cu have police envolvi, owing to allow rst y landsrecherche before haci the investigacion y not owing to laydown in hand by cuerpo by recherche, p’e investigacion not lick.

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owing to come into in one cas at camay, north, y also one office at palm beach.

Wasn't the Purcell house that is for sale on Camay?

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huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel bao guia by ministerio publico by aruba, seccion by crimen organiza by cuerpo policial by aruba y recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) owing to investiga one organizacion criminal cu is wordo sospecha by mensenhandel.

mensenhandel, dutch translation = trafficking

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club nocturno

I'm wondering if the club nocturno is the foxy lady club or another club.

I remember that club (nocturno) being mentioned in the comments to the articles (the 24ora links don't work now! ::MonkeyNoNo::) about the cop Robert Kock that was arrested late last year...for falsifying a police report, and RAPE.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=2064&offId=0&offDate=2009-11

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6268.msg1008034#msg1008034

UPDATE:

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/6/8/

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Papiamentu translation:

acolyte of cuerpo policial r.p.kock owing to wordo deteni

saturday, 07 november 2009 - 16:27 departamento of investigacionnan inner of cuerpo policial (bizo), bow guia of ministerio publico, owing to detene bigadier eerste klasse r.p.k.,cu is work at keep of oranjestad.e is being sospecha the.o. of owing to comete amenza, y place falsedad on paper. owing to base of the acusacionnan contra his person owing to dicidi for detene pendiente the result of the investigacion.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=baf3gf093ne911ikt285gobkp4&topic=188.msg1035379#msg1035379

12/3/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

fiscal owing to ask for his prolongacion, but huez comisario owing to achieve cu not have proof convicente for follow detene agent policial r.p. kock

in the caso of the agent policial r.p. kock, “cliente” of advocate mr. demis g. illes, advocate at buffete of abogadonan kock & wix owing to comenta on the ultimo desaroyonan encuanto the police, r.p. kock.

fiscal owing to ask one prolongación of his detención, already cu the is achieve this necesario for can sigi cu the investigación. t’asina cu fiscal is sospecha cu the agent policial, will owing to comete three delito, the.o. menasa y falsificacion of documento.

the agent r.p. kock self is deny rotundamente of owing to comete algún delito. this is reflehando his self also in the proof cu have on table is aworaki. p’e motibo here, then cu not have mucho proof, or as proof minimal, huez comisario is achieve cu n’e instant here the equilibrium have to wing at please of cliente of buffete of advocate kock & wix.

then just because not have sufficient indicación cu the agent policial, r.p, kock will owing to comete algún delito, huez comisario not owing to honor the petición of fiscal for prolonga his detención.

this sinembargo not kiermen cu the caso owing to end. time will show cu if will come more proof owing to base of cual r.p, kock will can wordo deteni one bez more. all the time the is pound, entrante today, según advocate demis g. illes.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_65918.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Agent at liberty

December 3, 2009, 12:37 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The rape suspect agent RP Kock was at liberty. The judge has the custody of the agent suspended so he is not lower in the cell have to stay. The prosecution wanted to hold down even longer agent under investigation. Kock is in addition to rape, threats and also suspected of forgery. For this he was arrested in early November.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2010, 12:09:46 AM
I guess Club Nocturno could just simply mean nightclub?  And maybe it's not the same one?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: billb's daughter on August 06, 2010, 01:56:16 AM
Justice for Natalee and Stephany......
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2010, 03:05:33 AM
JEN, Congratulations on the birth of your Son!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'm so happy for you and yours, Jen!  Congratulations!

 ::MonkeyKiss::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 06, 2010, 03:06:42 AM

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: jen3560 on August 06, 2010, 09:26:14 AM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 06, 2010, 09:28:52 AM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: can on August 06, 2010, 09:39:27 AM
Jen  - congratulations!

Isn't it wonderful! 

Still remember with joy my first born's son's birth some 40 plus years ago and the overwhelming feelings of love that just grow and grow.

Blessings to your wee baby boy always, and to his proud family!

can xo

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 06, 2010, 10:06:48 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blue Moon on August 06, 2010, 10:58:52 AM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.


SOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY FOR YOU AND YOUR HUBBY.  Enjoy your little angel (they do grow up to be BIG angels).   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Judge Mental on August 06, 2010, 11:53:38 AM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.

Congratulations to you and your precious family, Jen!

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 06, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.


CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 06, 2010, 01:03:54 PM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.


Congratulations Jen  Enjoy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 06, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
I thought this was interesting....I don't remember reading about it in the past 5 years.

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/boca-bubu-a-local-site-worth-visiting/#more-3875

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Boca Bubu” A Local Site Worth Visiting
 General News     August 5th, 2010
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Every Summer vacation, once a week, we go on an outing with the kids to relax and to teach them a little of our culture. Last week Tuesday was no exception. We went to the Historical Museum and afterwards to the beach.

The kids wanted to go to Malmok, where there is a cliff they can jump off and into the water. Upon arrival there we met with Mr. Bubu Marchena working hard with sledgehammer and chisel in the hot sun. He told us he is busy constructing a staircase on the cliff to make it easier to enter and exit the water. This is the second time he is making this staircase, as in 1978 he constructed the original one but with time it eroded and disappeared. Many times he takes his grandchildren to swim there and he promised them to rebuild the staircase.

In December 2009 he started rebuilding the staircase. Mr. Bubu thinks that in two weeks time he will finish his masterpiece. His only request to the Aruba government: please remove the rocks at the bottom of the cliff, as it poses a little danger when getting into or out of the water.

Mr. Armando Curet of the Department of Public Works (DOW) and Minister of Tourism, Labor and Transport, Otmar Oduber has already promised to go there to check out the situation and analyze how they can help.

The Morning News asked Mr. Bubu if the bay there has a name; he said no, it is simply called Malmok. So we decided to call it ‘Boca Bubu’ – Bubu’s Bay. While we had a very pleasant time we saw many tourists and locals arrive there to swim and snorkel. A local site worth visiting!

Story by Olgita Berkley of The Morning News



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: echosofangels on August 06, 2010, 01:46:53 PM
By the way, a little birdie told me that JEN has had a baby boy as of yesterday at 2am!  All are doing well! ::MonkeyCheer4::

Congratulations Jen.




yes, congrats, Jen!  My Daughter just had a little girl two days ago.  her name is Kaylee. 5 lbs 5 ozs.  beautiful.
 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: echosofangels on August 06, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Oop's meant to add 10th Grandchild  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 06, 2010, 03:25:46 PM
Oop's meant to add 10th Grandchild  ::monkeywine2::

Congratulations!!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2010, 03:37:47 PM
Think it's just a typo on the name....

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20560-a-transporta-alexander-mattchew-pa-boneiro.html

A transporta Alexander Mattchew pa Boneiro
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Husticia ta pensa cu pa su propio seguridad, ta mihor pa sera Alexander Mattchew den prizon na Boneiro. Esaki a sosode un rato pasa ora cu team di aresto di polis a compañ'e den un avioneta di Divi Divi Air di Boneiro. Alexander Mattchew den pasado tabata sera pa basta tempo den KIA y den e proceso a maltrata e director interino di KIA seriamente.
No ta conoci cu si ta pesey ta prefera pa no ser'e den KIA pa e personal no tuma represalia of ta pasobra cu e tres otro sospechosonan tambe ta di un caliber basta pisa, incluyendo un agente di Polis. E ekipo di investigacion di RST ta na Boneiro caba pa sera yegada di Alexander Mattchew y lo sigui cu interogacion eynan. E tactica aki ta costoso pasobra Ministerio Publico mester a "charter" e avioneta for di Boneiro pa bin busca e sospechoso na Aruba.  Tambe mester paga pa e polisnan cu ta bay cune y esnan cu lo sigui cu e caso for di eynan. No ta conoci tampoco cu si e prizon di Boneiro tin e capacidad di hende ni recursonan pa por hospeda un detenido di e taya aki. Di otro banda, siendo na Boneiro e detenido lo ta limita na contactonan y pa por manda mensahenan pa e otro tres sospechosonan cu awor ta sera bou acusacion di "mensenhandel"

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2010, 03:39:26 PM
Congratulations on your beautiful new baby Jen!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 06, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20517-detencion-di-exploitante-di-foxy-lady-matthew-despues-di-entrada-hudicial.html

Detencion di exploitante di Foxy Lady (Alex Matthew) despues di entrada hudicial     Print      E-mail
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Den oragan di marduga RST ( Recherche Samenwerking Team ) y Team di Aresto tabata activo na varios adres relaciona cu e exploitante di e establicimento Foxy Lady. Na entre otro e cas, oficina y na Foxy Lady mes a hasi un entrada hudicial. Den esaki e persona cu ta exploita e negoshi di fam Matthew a keda deteni pa mas investigacion. Click lesa mas pa mas detayes. Update: Informacion cu nos a ricibi cu tin 3 detencion total. Den esaki un Agente Policial di inicial E. S. tambe a wordo deteni.
Henter e entrada hudicial aki y e detencion di Sr. Matthew tin di haber cu un sospecho fuerte basa riba e circumstancianan di trabou di e empleadonan cu ta traha na Foxy Lady. Foxy Lady ta un asina jama " Adul Entertainment Club". Den e club aki tin hende homber y hende muher cu ta baila (semi) sunu. Tin sospecho cu e empleadonan no ta trahando bou di circumstancianan regular. Aki ta papia di entre otro orarionan di trabou inhumano, salario no correcto y otro asuntonan no correcto pa cu un contrato laboral. E terminologia hulandes ta: "Uitbuiting".


Pa varios tempo caba tin indicacion di cosnan straño cu ta sosode den e bar aki. Ta referi na e trato cu e empleadonan di e bar ta ricibi di e gerente di operacion, esta Alexander Mattchew. Aunke e bar no ta riba su nomber, e ta e manehador di e negoshi. Tin indicacion cu e circumstancianan den e negoshi aki ta masha cuestionabel debi cu trahadornan por cuminsa traha eynan pero ta parse cu nan no por kita. Un ke otro a hiba autoridadnan pa drenta e establecimiento awe mainta y eydilanti a detene Alexander Matthew. Despues a bay detene e agente di polis di Elton Joshua Sanchez. Un rato despues e conocido security guard Michael Livingstone a bin entrega su mes na Warda di Polis. Parse cu a usa Arestatie Team den e detencionnan debi cu mayoria di e sospechosonan ta conoci di husticia y lo por resisti nan detencion. Alexander Mattchew net tabata subiendo su auto y a hay'e cu hopi placa den su poder. E investigacion awor lo continua pa saca afor kico exactamente ta e negoshi cu ta tumando lugar den Foxy Lady.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: nonesuche on August 06, 2010, 07:04:45 PM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.

What wonderful news Jen, God bless your son!

Enjoy! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 06, 2010, 08:49:23 PM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.

So happy for you!!!!!     ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 06, 2010, 09:52:50 PM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.

Congratulations to you and Hubby ... another blessing for you to count!

Not too soon to start planning birthday parties.

(Sorry I'm a little late chiming in. I couldn't get on my home computer before now.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 06, 2010, 09:57:37 PM
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Detencion di exploitante di Foxy Lady (Alex Matthew) despues di entrada hudicial     Print      E-mail
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Den oragan di marduga RST ( Recherche Samenwerking Team ) y Team di Aresto tabata activo na varios adres relaciona cu e exploitante di e establicimento Foxy Lady. Na entre otro e cas, oficina y na Foxy Lady mes a hasi un entrada hudicial. Den esaki e persona cu ta exploita e negoshi di fam Matthew a keda deteni pa mas investigacion. Click lesa mas pa mas detayes. Update: Informacion cu nos a ricibi cu tin 3 detencion total. Den esaki un Agente Policial di inicial E. S. tambe a wordo deteni.
Henter e entrada hudicial aki y e detencion di Sr. Matthew tin di haber cu un sospecho fuerte basa riba e circumstancianan di trabou di e empleadonan cu ta traha na Foxy Lady. Foxy Lady ta un asina jama " Adul Entertainment Club". Den e club aki tin hende homber y hende muher cu ta baila (semi) sunu. Tin sospecho cu e empleadonan no ta trahando bou di circumstancianan regular. Aki ta papia di entre otro orarionan di trabou inhumano, salario no correcto y otro asuntonan no correcto pa cu un contrato laboral. E terminologia hulandes ta: "Uitbuiting".


Pa varios tempo caba tin indicacion di cosnan straño cu ta sosode den e bar aki. Ta referi na e trato cu e empleadonan di e bar ta ricibi di e gerente di operacion, esta Alexander Mattchew. Aunke e bar no ta riba su nomber, e ta e manehador di e negoshi. Tin indicacion cu e circumstancianan den e negoshi aki ta masha cuestionabel debi cu trahadornan por cuminsa traha eynan pero ta parse cu nan no por kita. Un ke otro a hiba autoridadnan pa drenta e establecimiento awe mainta y eydilanti a detene Alexander Matthew. Despues a bay detene e agente di polis di Elton Joshua Sanchez. Un rato despues e conocido security guard Michael Livingstone a bin entrega su mes na Warda di Polis. Parse cu a usa Arestatie Team den e detencionnan debi cu mayoria di e sospechosonan ta conoci di husticia y lo por resisti nan detencion. Alexander Mattchew net tabata subiendo su auto y a hay'e cu hopi placa den su poder. E investigacion awor lo continua pa saca afor kico exactamente ta e negoshi cu ta tumando lugar den Foxy Lady.








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sorry i really messed that post up in the middle of the other article but apparently thers another missing woman in arubal the article showed her picture but i couldnt copy and transfer it. i havent found any other info on it in the other papers of aruba,has anyone else seen anything.  also very intersting article on foxy lady nightclub for being a  place where sex in the nude between men females, females n females and men on men occur. In addition the use of sex toys or anything goes if the customer wants it. Its been cited as a place where prostitution and sexual slavery and trafficing of humans has occured and ongoing investigation continues per the article. Its owners it said is not unknown to investigators.. Aruba again at its finest.....sl















Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2010, 10:21:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20569-sextasy-no-ta-asocia-den-ningun-forma-cu-foxy-lady.html

Something about a tie between Foxy Lady and Sextacy?

Sextasy no ta asocia den ningun forma cu Foxy Lady      Print      E-mail
Friday, 06 August 2010 17:15
sextasy_logo
Diaranson marduga Arrestatie Team tabata activo na diferente adres relaciona cu e investigacion di asuntonan no legal cu lo ta tumando lugar na Foxy Lady. Un di e lugarnan cu a drenta tabata parti ariba di un centro comercial den Noord unda cu e establicimento Sextasy ta situa.
Aki nan tabata enbusca di e oficina di e sospechoso Mattew. Den algun medio di prensa a publica cu nan lo a drenta e establicimento Sextasy. Esaki ta incorrecto mirando cu nan a drenta na e di dos piso buscando e oficina di Foxy Lady.

Donjo di Sextasy kier a enfatisa cu e compania Sextasy no ta asocia den ningun forma cu Foxy Lady y ta lamenta cu kier purba di relacione cu e caso di Foxy Lady. Locual sigur tambe ta inacceptabel ta e hecho cu Sextasy hunto cu un otro establicimento tambe tin nan oficina na e di dos piso y arrestatie team pa equibocacion a kibra den nan oficina.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2010, 10:25:51 PM
Is this the missing girl?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4083&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

TA SER BUSCA E HOBENCITA AKI SI BOSO MIRE OF SA DI SU PARADERO YAMA POLIS MESORA, ELA SALI BAY Y NO SA MAS DI DJE

Through translator:

is being busca the hobencita here if your mire or know by her paradero be called police at once, ela depart bay y not know more by dje


(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4083/2_1281112203.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 06, 2010, 10:33:02 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20569-sextasy-no-ta-asocia-den-ningun-forma-cu-foxy-lady.html

Something about a tie between Foxy Lady and Sextacy?

Sextasy no ta asocia den ningun forma cu Foxy Lady      Print      E-mail
Friday, 06 August 2010 17:15
sextasy_logo
Diaranson marduga Arrestatie Team tabata activo na diferente adres relaciona cu e investigacion di asuntonan no legal cu lo ta tumando lugar na Foxy Lady. Un di e lugarnan cu a drenta tabata parti ariba di un centro comercial den Noord unda cu e establicimento Sextasy ta situa.
Aki nan tabata enbusca di e oficina di e sospechoso Mattew. Den algun medio di prensa a publica cu nan lo a drenta e establicimento Sextasy. Esaki ta incorrecto mirando cu nan a drenta na e di dos piso buscando e oficina di Foxy Lady.

Donjo di Sextasy kier a enfatisa cu e compania Sextasy no ta asocia den ningun forma cu Foxy Lady y ta lamenta cu kier purba di relacione cu e caso di Foxy Lady. Locual sigur tambe ta inacceptabel ta e hecho cu Sextasy hunto cu un otro establicimento tambe tin nan oficina na e di dos piso y arrestatie team pa equibocacion a kibra den nan oficina.
   

no ist part says arresting teams were busy searching in differant areas in relation to information gatherings while looking for offices of the suspect Matthew.Press erroneously published that sextacy buissness was located on the same area as the offices of foxy-lady.

second paragraph says sextasy which caters to fantasys is in no way associated with the case of foxy lady and they regret the errors printedit also says they regret that due to erroneous info the arresting team broke into the wrong offices that they believed belonged to foxy lady.


keystone cops!  what else do we see from aruba..
K;ass did you see last post on previous page i did on missing girl 15 yrs old since monday. sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 06, 2010, 10:37:10 PM
Is this the missing girl?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4083&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

TA SER BUSCA E HOBENCITA AKI SI BOSO MIRE OF SA DI SU PARADERO YAMA POLIS MESORA, ELA SALI BAY Y NO SA MAS DI DJE

Through translator:

is being busca the hobencita here if your mire or know by her paradero be called police at once, ela depart bay y not know more by dje


(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4083/2_1281112203.jpg)

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Boy your fast klass yes thats the one small blurb todays paper 15 yr old missing since monday after last being seen sunbathing at beach. no name given ,any info call police.  thanks sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 06, 2010, 10:41:11 PM
Yeah been trying to find name.  She looks like an Aruban but I suppose could be a tourist.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 06, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
Yeah been trying to find name.  She looks like an Aruban but I suppose could be a tourist.


yes unable to find name gonna check out diarios paper. sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 07, 2010, 02:46:47 AM
Thanks all.  Hubby brought in the laptop for a minute.  Just wanted to log in and say hi.

Born Aug 4, 2:26 am.
7.1 lbs
19.8 inches

Perfectly healthy.  Gorgeous.  My little precious angel boy.

Congratulations, Jen.  I'm so happy for you!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 07, 2010, 05:42:04 AM
Is this the missing girl?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4083&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

TA SER BUSCA E HOBENCITA AKI SI BOSO MIRE OF SA DI SU PARADERO YAMA POLIS MESORA, ELA SALI BAY Y NO SA MAS DI DJE

Through translator:

is being busca the hobencita here if your mire or know by her paradero be called police at once, ela depart bay y not know more by dje


(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4083/2_1281112203.jpg)

[/quote



Boy your fast klass yes thats the one small blurb todays paper 15 yr old missing since monday after last being seen sunbathing at beach. no name given ,any info call police.  thanks sl


Di parti cuerpo policial ta pidi coperacion na comunidad pa un buskeda di un damita.
Yama bou nomber Ghislaine S.G.Dirksz naci na Aruba 23 Januari 1995 cual ta biba na Noord. E ta di haltura 1.60 M color di cuero Bruin.  Esnan cu por sa paradero di e damita aki por yama 100 of asina Gabriel Leo 5923214


http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2873:buskeda-di-ghislaine-dirksz-15-ana&catid=31:local&Itemid=70









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sharon on August 07, 2010, 07:31:29 AM
TM  My memory is fading....but iirc, the Terra del Sol possibility was from a psychic? Something to do with Terra del Sol and Baby Beach? She got very chilling feelings of Natalee when she walked thru those areas? Heard cries?

I can't remember which newspaper published it -- I remember the picture of the area. I thought I had saved it but of course can't find it.

And of course -- I can be remembering totally wrong -- or maybe even combining a few of the 'stories' that were circulating  ::MonkeyWink::


BIG HUGS TO jen, Mr jen and Baby jen  ::monkeywine2::



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 07, 2010, 08:31:01 AM
Joran's June 9, 2005 statement:

...I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 07, 2010, 08:52:28 AM
Good Morning, Monkeys!

Alex Matthews must be a total dope and glutton for punishment to get arrested in Aruba again after his last experience in jail.  Of course he did win that lawsuit in ICC but doubt it was worth that small amount.

This guy just can't seem to stay out of jail no matter what.

Also, anyone remember the location of the house Joran supposedly told JQK Natalee was in or buried under?

Hope all have a wonderful Saturday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 07, 2010, 10:06:56 AM
I wonder who is maintaining this page?;
http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/default.aspx (http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/default.aspx)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 07, 2010, 11:06:56 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/218.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Red on August 07, 2010, 01:51:38 PM
An Inconvenient Truth: Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven Making Movie about Joran Van der Sloot and Death & Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/07/an-inconvenient-truth-dutch-filmmaker-paul-ruven-making-movie-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-death-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

An ‘”Inconvenient Truth” for Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven … Joran Van der Sloot killed again!

Now, comes Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven who claims he is making a film about the Natalee Holloway case as he searches for the truth. Really? The film claims to hold no punches on any of the individuals involved including Joran Van der Sloot, Aruban police, government or the victims family. One does have to question why any one would take the approach of smearing the Holloway family as a way of so-called finding the truth as to what happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 07, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
They're all MISCREANTS! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 07, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
An Inconvenient Truth: Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven Making Movie about Joran Van der Sloot and Death & Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/07/an-inconvenient-truth-dutch-filmmaker-paul-ruven-making-movie-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-death-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

An ‘”Inconvenient Truth” for Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven … Joran Van der Sloot killed again!

Now, comes Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven who claims he is making a film about the Natalee Holloway case as he searches for the truth. Really? The film claims to hold no punches on any of the individuals involved including Joran Van der Sloot, Aruban police, government or the victims family. One does have to question why any one would take the approach of smearing the Holloway family as a way of so-called finding the truth as to what happened.



It is just a continuation of Renee Gielen's lies.   She is involved in this up to the eyeballs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 07, 2010, 03:05:55 PM
An Inconvenient Truth: Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven Making Movie about Joran Van der Sloot and Death & Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/07/an-inconvenient-truth-dutch-filmmaker-paul-ruven-making-movie-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-death-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

An ‘”Inconvenient Truth” for Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven … Joran Van der Sloot killed again!

Now, comes Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven who claims he is making a film about the Natalee Holloway case as he searches for the truth. Really? The film claims to hold no punches on any of the individuals involved including Joran Van der Sloot, Aruban police, government or the victims family. One does have to question why any one would take the approach of smearing the Holloway family as a way of so-called finding the truth as to what happened.

Secrets Can Be Murder: The Killer Next Door, Volume 2007
 By Jane Velez-Mitchell, Nancy Grace

http://books.google.com/books?id=FmE-enPSdxsC&pg=PT307&lpg=PT307&dq=joran+van+der+sloot&source=bl&ots=xJMOpyMBh2&sig=BNYMkArAVP-6QsO6Y5OUgrA8e60&hl=en&ei=ww5dTLSdPMP68AachemzDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBzjCAw#v=onepage&q=joran%20van%20der%20sloot&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=FmE-enPSdxsC&pg=PT307&lpg=PT307&dq=joran+van+der+sloot&source=bl&ots=xJMOpyMBh2&sig=BNYMkArAVP-6QsO6Y5OUgrA8e60&hl=en&ei=ww5dTLSdPMP68AachemzDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBzjCAw#v=onepage&q=joran%20van%20der%20sloot&f=false)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: RoxiBalboa on August 07, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Explosive-quotes-from-van-der-Sloot-Holloway/71IaWjwk4kKiTm5qjuS_Aw.cspx

Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) A Dutch article about a movie on the Holloway case has provoked bitter online commentary.

Things have been quiet on the Joran van der Sloot front lately.

There’s been next to no news out of Peru as the murder inquiry grinds through a legal system with no guarantee of a speedy trial.

Van der Sloot remains in the Castro Castro prison charged with murdering 21 year old student Stephany Flores in a case with spooky parallels to the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba.

Holloway, last seen with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, vanished five years to the day Flores’ body was found in van der Sloot’s Lima hotel room.

But while van der Sloot’s charges of legal misrepresentation and a coerced confession fade from the headlines, a firestorm of online commentary has broken out over a movie being produced by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven.

In another strange coincidence, Ruven was on Aruba making a fictionalized film about van der Sloot and the Holloway case when the news of Flores death broke.

After a several days flurry of stories about Ruven and his film “Me and Mr. Jones” things got quiet again until Myrtille van Bommel’s article quoting Ruven about his project. Although Ruven has been accused of being part of a whitewash on Aruban handling of the Natalee investigation, the picture painted in van Bommel’s article is very different.

In the article on the Radio Netherlands Worldwide site, Ruven appears to take on all parties in the case. Regarding van der Sloot, he’s quoted as saying “"The film pulls no punches in showing that Joran lied. That's why the main character, the investigative journalist, breaks the law to get at the truth. He, just like Joran, doesn't abide by the law."

But Natalee and the Holloway family are blasted as well. He says the image of her as some kind of holy virgin, an innocent girl, is just the way her mother wants her portrayed.

And although there have been allegations Ruven is part of a cover up/whitewash attempt to improve the image of tourist dependent Aruba, the island takes some hits in the article as well. Everybody on the island knows each other. When there are elections, the candidates are often sponsored by US hotel owners. The winning candidate appoints his entire family and distant friends to important governmental positions. These people hang on to the posts for the rest of their lives."
The article goes on to say that “It's this colonial background of favourism and conflict of interests that allows a young rich Dutchman to do what he likes without being brought to justice. Mr Ruven believes nobody on Aruba wants the truth to come out. It was also never the intention that Joran should end up in prison. That would damage tourism and the economy.”
Sounds like he’s out to offend all involved…..but that’s nothing compared to the online comments van Bommel’s article has spawned.

Here’s a quick sample…and remember, anyone with a keyboard can say pretty much anything on line so supply your own perspective and skepticism:

Miranda and Jeff from Amsterdam weigh in with a lengthy denunciation of the entire Holloway family linking extensively to a documentary Natalee Holloway ''The Unrevealed Timelines'' and ending with this plea: “We believe in karma Mr. Ruven , so please go ahead and give us the real Natalee Holloway and not the BS her mother tried to feed us, it will benefit you and your movie. Thank you for reading this email."
Whereupon the firefight ensues. Marie chimes in with “I see the Van der Sloots have marshaled their family members to join in on the discussion!” Only to be gently rebuked by Bippity for giving Miranda and Jeff to much credit.

Bippity goes on to say “Mr. Ruven believed the lies about Natalee -- that's his bad. He should have demanded proof or at least questioned how something like that could be covered up for five years. But despite having ridiculous "sources" of info, shown by his false portrayal of Natalee, he still concluded Joran is guilty and Aruban authorities covered it up; just as they always had; because he was rich, white and Dutch.”

There’s lots more on the RNW website.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2010, 05:44:21 PM
I wonder who is maintaining this page?;
http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/default.aspx (http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/default.aspx)

Nobody for a long time.  It is Joran's page but everything on it is old.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2010, 08:00:08 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

Natalee Holloway's Stepfather


Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


Natalee Holloway's Mother

We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Natalee Holloway's Uncle
 
If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


Natalee Holloway's Uncle
 
Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

 
Natalee Holloway's Uncle
 
I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

 
Natalee Holloway's Uncle
 
Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756

 
Natalee Holloway's Uncle
 
I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Judge Mental on August 07, 2010, 09:41:59 PM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 07, 2010, 10:44:39 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4099&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4099/2_1281215044.jpg)

TURISTANAN TA SIGUI BIRA VICTIMA DI LADRONICIA RIBA BEACH NA ARASHI, ESAKI TA LOKE TA CABANDO CU NOS TURISMO

Diasabra atardi a drenta informe di cu na e beach di Arashi un turista a bira victima di ladronicia, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya nan a bin compronde for di un turista cu mientras cu e tabata disfrutando den lama antisocialnan lo a pasa man pa su tas y bay cu e tas cual tabata tin su cartera yabi auto y varios articulo di valor. Polis a tuma nota y a keda di pone mas atencion den e area ey. Algun dia pasa por a nota e personal di strandpolitie ta core den Vwagen esaki lo por ta un bon idea ya cu e otro vehiculonan policial ta visible di leu y e antisocialnan aki ta bay den un otro mode

Through translator:

turistanan is follow become victima by ladronicia on beach at arashi, this is thing is cabando cu we turism

saturday afternoon owing to come into informe by cu at the beach by arashi one tourist owing to become victima by ladronicia, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol they owing to come compronde for by one tourist cu while cu the was disfrutando in lama antisocialnan will owing to happen hand before her bag y bay cu the bag cual was have her cartera key car y several articulo by valor. police did take make a note y owing to remain by laydown more atencion in the area ey. some day happen can owing to make a note the personal by strandpolitie is core in vwagen this will can is one good idea already cu the another vehiculonan policial is visible by far y the antisocialnan here is bay in one another mode



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 08, 2010, 12:10:24 AM
Thank-you TexasMom!!! VERY intersting developments! The "movie" will be DOA!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck,  I certainly hope your are correct.  This has just made me ill that they are still at it even in light of Joran's recent atrocities.  I guess Aruba thought people would have forgotten enough of the details and so now would be the time to try to do a total revision of the events.

I think Joran put a real kink in their sick plans to tra Natalee and gain sympathy for Joran.  Otherwise I believe it would have totally been much worse.

They are making themselves suspended in time in denial of what really happened.  I hope as things develop in Peru and the contrast in what Peru does and what Aruba failed to do become more apparent, that Aruba will be given the blame for Stephany's death as well. 

They deserve it so badly.  If only they had acted in a civilized manner instead of going so all out to protect one of their own, Stephany Fores would be alive and Joran would have been in jail whre he belonged.


.

The government and local citizenry of Aruba, the posters at these horrible websites supporting the vDS family are as guilty of Stephanie's murder as Joran.  Their hands are bloody.  If justice had been rendered in the case of Natalee, and all the moneywhores for Aruba had not gone on the internet bemoaning the sad fate of Joran and falsely denigrating the character of Natalee, Beth, the MB kids, et al, then justice would have prevailed.  Having turned Joran loose and giving him the license to do as he pleased and feel that he could kill with impunity, he struck again.  If Anita and the hacks from Aruba are able to loose him from this, multiple murders will occur.  He was raised to not have a conscience, like his mother.  I am sure she will make up any kind of lie or weave any story to keep her brood from looking like the scum of society that they are.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 08, 2010, 02:12:17 AM
TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sharon on August 08, 2010, 07:34:43 AM
Joran's June 9, 2005 statement:

...I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

Thanks Buckeye. Yes I remember that from the statements (and I do believe there was a reason for every statement the liar makes).

Paulus also died on the tennis courts in Tierra del Sol. hmmm.

But I also remember an article -- can't remember which paper -- iirc, Red posted it on the front page. A 'pyschic' of some sort. It was an eerie article. She was sensing crying and running. The picture from the article showed a house (maybe the clubhouse? -- or maybe a private home) and the golf course. And for some reason -- I'm remembering 'baby beach'.

Can't remember if it was a psychic -- or a 'viewer' -- but it was some form of paranormal investigative technique. Not even sure the psychic was ever on the craggy rock. Or if the psychic was part of the '$ misinformation campaign $'

Just one of the many images stuck in my mind from the past 5+ years  ::MonkeyNoNo::

:-(





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 08, 2010, 08:09:56 AM
Joran's June 9, 2005 statement:

...I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

Thanks Buckeye. Yes I remember that from the statements (and I do believe there was a reason for every statement the liar makes).

Paulus also died on the tennis courts in Tierra del Sol. hmmm.

But I also remember an article -- can't remember which paper -- iirc, Red posted it on the front page. A 'pyschic' of some sort. It was an eerie article. She was sensing crying and running. The picture from the article showed a house (maybe the clubhouse? -- or maybe a private home) and the golf course. And for some reason -- I'm remembering 'baby beach'.

Can't remember if it was a psychic -- or a 'viewer' -- but it was some form of paranormal investigative technique. Not even sure the psychic was ever on the craggy rock. Or if the psychic was part of the '$ misinformation campaign $'

Just one of the many images stuck in my mind from the past 5+ years  ::MonkeyNoNo::

:-(






One of the few searches that Mos felt worthy of assisting, was driven by a psychic.  I'm not sure where.

Baby Beach is pretty far from Tierra deSol.

I do remember that all important call that Dompig received, from the tearful confessor, that led to a search at the dunes.....months after the call came in.  The two Dutch professionals (Menlo? and someone) made comments of how unprofessional the whole thing was investigated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 08, 2010, 08:12:47 AM
Update on Matthews:

Translated

Alex Mathew (37), among others suspected of trafficking, this afternoon under heavy police escort flown to Bonaire. There he will remain ten days in custody. The reason is mainly that the operator of Foxy Lady at San Nicolas' extensive contacts "would have to Aruban police officers and prison guards.

And blindfolded in an armlock firm was accused of trafficking Alex Mathew yesterday directed to the plane that brought him to Bonaire.
Because justice has no insight into this friendship, it was decided today that Mathew is not here in the KIA prison is locked. "We first want to know more about those contacts. The investigation to keep clean, he moved to Bonaire, "said spokeswoman Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM). Another reason is that Mathew is classified as 'dangerous'. Amigoe already reported Thursday that Mathew in 2001 the then interim director of KIA, Ben King, grievous bodily harm inflicted when he was arrested for serious assault. Asked whether Bonaire than dangerous criminals better safeguard says Angela: "It is a combination of two factors, dangerous and far-reaching contacts that Mathew in Bonaire is held." The judge certain yesterday morning before his departure that he into being in the cell should remain. In ten days he was back again for the judge to decide whether it should appear Mathew longer kept fixed.
How "friendly" ties with its police officers were, according to the OM yet the investigation continue. Justice confirmed yesterday eventually, after other media were all over the news that the raids Thursday in a police officer was arrested. This would in his spare time as a guard at the Foxy Lady strip tent worked. Under one of the four arrested was a woman. Mathew is in any case of suspected involvement in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. The case came four months ago started rolling when one of the dancers in the strip club had lodged. According to the OM, the strippers are exploited and they were held against their will. Justice is still busy with the investigation and does not rule out that more people are arrested.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76347.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 08, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
Joran's June 9, 2005 statement:

...I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

Thanks Buckeye. Yes I remember that from the statements (and I do believe there was a reason for every statement the liar makes).

Paulus also died on the tennis courts in Tierra del Sol. hmmm.

But I also remember an article -- can't remember which paper -- iirc, Red posted it on the front page. A 'pyschic' of some sort. It was an eerie article. She was sensing crying and running. The picture from the article showed a house (maybe the clubhouse? -- or maybe a private home) and the golf course. And for some reason -- I'm remembering 'baby beach'.

Can't remember if it was a psychic -- or a 'viewer' -- but it was some form of paranormal investigative technique. Not even sure the psychic was ever on the craggy rock. Or if the psychic was part of the '$ misinformation campaign $'

Just one of the many images stuck in my mind from the past 5+ years  ::MonkeyNoNo::

:-(






One of the few searches that Mos felt worthy of assisting, was driven by a psychic.  I'm not sure where.

Baby Beach is pretty far from Tierra deSol.

I do remember that all important call that Dompig received, from the tearful confessor, that led to a search at the dunes.....months after the call came in.  The two Dutch professionals (Menlo? and someone) made comments of how unprofessional the whole thing was investigated.

I think the shoes, that Diario wrote about (and Destiny researched  :roll:), were also discovered at Tierra del Sol.  :smt102



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 08, 2010, 09:14:21 AM
Thank-you TexasMom!!! VERY intersting developments! The "movie" will be DOA!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck,  I certainly hope your are correct.  This has just made me ill that they are still at it even in light of Joran's recent atrocities.  I guess Aruba thought people would have forgotten enough of the details and so now would be the time to try to do a total revision of the events.

I think Joran put a real kink in their sick plans to tra Natalee and gain sympathy for Joran.  Otherwise I believe it would have totally been much worse.

They are making themselves suspended in time in denial of what really happened.  I hope as things develop in Peru and the contrast in what Peru does and what Aruba failed to do become more apparent, that Aruba will be given the blame for Stephany's death as well. 

They deserve it so badly.  If only they had acted in a civilized manner instead of going so all out to protect one of their own, Stephany Fores would be alive and Joran would have been in jail whre he belonged.

.

The government and local citizenry of Aruba, the posters at these horrible websites supporting the vDS family are as guilty of Stephanie's murder as Joran.  Their hands are bloody.  If justice had been rendered in the case of Natalee, and all the moneywhores for Aruba had not gone on the internet bemoaning the sad fate of Joran and falsely denigrating the character of Natalee, Beth, the MB kids, et al, then justice would have prevailed.  Having turned Joran loose and giving him the license to do as he pleased and feel that he could kill with impunity, he struck again.  If Anita and the hacks from Aruba are able to loose him from this, multiple murders will occur.  He was raised to not have a conscience, like his mother.  I am sure she will make up any kind of lie or weave any story to keep her brood from looking like the scum of society that they are.

Anna and Tyler I agree with you both.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 08, 2010, 10:44:38 AM
Amigoe English article on Matthews:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76324.php

Raid at Foxy Lady due to human trafficking
6 Aug, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — The Public Prosecutor (OM) announced late yesterday afternoon that the raids and arrests at strip club Foxy Lady regarded an investigation into human trafficking. Supposedly, the strippers were forced to work long hours and were held against their will.

Justice is reckoning with a criminal organization and not precluding further apprehensions. At the time of going to press yesterday, the OM did not wish to elaborate on the facts of the raids and arrests from amongst others, manager Alex Mathew. In total, four persons were apprehended last night amongst whom also a police officer who worked as security guard at the strip club on his off days. How many strippers had been exploited, remains unknown for the time being.

According to the OM, officers of the Organized Crime Section, the Criminal Investigation Cooperation Team (RST) and assisted by the Royal Military Police are investigating ‘exploitation forms of dancers’ in the strip club. Justice suspects the dancers had had to work too long in one stretch for too low a wage ‘under socially unacceptable circumstances’. This supposedly also involved a ‘situation of lack of freedom’, in which the dancers did not have the possibility to resign and to leave. Therefore, human trafficking, according to the OM. “As human trafficking belongs in the duty package of the RST and the Military Police, they were both involved in the investigation. Both had supplied criminal investigators,” says a spokesperson from the OM. The case got moving after one of the dancers had filed a report with the OM. The investigation was started approx. four months ago. However, Justice does not think there was a question of forced prostitution.

Money
During the raids, also in Mathew’s residence, one searched amongst others for the administration. His SUV was also confiscated for investigation. “Perhaps the latter contains more items, for example an USB-stick with information.” The Officer of Justice confirmed that money was found, but could not say how much and at which raid location. For that matter, the OM does not wish to confirm or deny that one of the detainees is a police officer. Otherwise, the Officer of Justice did mention that John den Boef, director of Foxy Lady, is not a suspect in the case just yet. Before this newspaper, Den Boef himself denied he was aware of the alleged exploitation practice in his club. “I am not actively involved with the daily affairs of Foxy Lady. I do not know what happens there in the evenings.” However, Den Boef did not wish to say what his precise role is within the company. “That is between me and Mathew.”

Justice further announced that there is no investigation into other strip clubs on the island. “The OM is not entrusted with the supervision thereof,” says the officer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 08, 2010, 11:30:46 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/219.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Red on August 08, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Raid at Foxy Lady on Aruba’s “One Happy Island” due to Human Trafficking … Joran Van der Sloot, Thailand, Human Trafficking … Hmm?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/08/raid-at-foxy-lady-on-arubas-one-happy-island-due-to-human-trafficking-joran-van-der-sloot-thailand-human-trafficking-hmm/

Quote
Rather than just painting just a rosy picture, shouldn’t Aruba and the Aruba AHATA have some truth in advertising that bad things happen there, NATALEE HOLLOWAY, and continued to due so, HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

What, you mean there is crime on Aruba like human trafficking, say it isn’t so. Human trafficking on “One Happy Island”, never. Isn’t that nice to know that mere miles from the beaches that you visit with your families and streets that your wives and daughters walk that the the Foxy Lady was raided and arrests made as a result of human trafficking. As an aside, isn’t it peculiar that human trafficking be going on in Aruba andJoran Van der Sloot is suspected in doing the same in Thailand. Wonder where he learned his trade?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 08, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
Is this the missing girl?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4083&offId=0&offDate=2010-8

TA SER BUSCA E HOBENCITA AKI SI BOSO MIRE OF SA DI SU PARADERO YAMA POLIS MESORA, ELA SALI BAY Y NO SA MAS DI DJE

Through translator:

is being busca the hobencita here if your mire or know by her paradero be called police at once, ela depart bay y not know more by dje


(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4083/2_1281112203.jpg)

[/quote



Boy your fast klass yes thats the one small blurb todays paper 15 yr old missing since monday after last being seen sunbathing at beach. no name given ,any info call police.  thanks sl
She is 15? Dang, looks 25


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 08, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
Human trafficking is a term
It means to move a body from one nation to another.
A person can volunteer to be moved under the term Human Trafficking. Just like many Mexicans who seek out "coyote" to help them get into the united states illegally.

Aruba is misusing the term and I do nt trust Aruba at all.

I want to know where these gals came from and I want testimony or interviews of the victims and exactly what happened to them and the names of the culprits if there are any.
Other then that we are just playing into Aruba stupid little game of words.

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 08, 2010, 12:10:48 PM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2010, 01:36:57 PM
As I recall,back in the beginning, we found that the Aruban government kept a tight
reign on the prostitution on the island.  The brothels were all out toward San Nicholas

It was said that the girls were brought in from Columbia on a three month work visa
and at the end of their three month stay, they were returned to Columbia and another
group was brought in.

Maybe getting the Visas is the key.

I wonder why they sent Mathew to the prison at Bonaire and didn't just slap him into KIA?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2010, 06:43:17 PM
THE PERSISTENCE STORY

Natalee Holloway deserved so much more.  The family deserved so much more.  Those who supported the Persistence endeavor prayfully and monetarily deserved so much more.

+++++++

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: jjayinthemorning on August 08, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.
Sounds clearly like evidence tampering.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sylvia on August 08, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
Evening Monkeys!!

I haven't seen this before and not sure if it's on everywhere but at 10:00 pm, tonight Sunday, Aug 8, E! Entertainment Television Episode: Joran van der Sloot (First Aired: August 04, 2010)
An in-depth look at two-time murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

Very sorry to hear about the accident involving Stephany's brother.  Breaks my heart that this family is having to endure more heartache.  Hopefully they will have some peace and justice soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sylvia on August 08, 2010, 08:48:47 PM
Oops should have said 9:00 EDT.
Evening Monkeys!!

I haven't seen this before and not sure if it's on everywhere but at 10:00 pm, tonight Sunday, Aug 8, E! Entertainment Television Episode: Joran van der Sloot (First Aired: August 04, 2010)
An in-depth look at two-time murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

Very sorry to hear about the accident involving Stephany's brother.  Breaks my heart that this family is having to endure more heartache.  Hopefully they will have some peace and justice soon.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 08, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho

Well, if we based everything on pictures, I think most of us think Julia Renfro looks about 60 but someone said she recently had a baby.  Miraculous conception or deceiving pictures.  Who knows.  Sometimes people do look older/younger in photographs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 08, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
Hi Tylergal  ::HelloKitty:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 08, 2010, 10:07:52 PM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 





He must be free now because I saw him posting in FB yesterday in the morning :0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 08, 2010, 10:12:43 PM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 





He must be free now because I saw him posting in FB yesterday in the morning :0

Hi Cecilita  ::HelloKitty::   Maybe he's out on bond?  I'm not sure how the laws work there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 08, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 





He must be free now because I saw him posting in FB yesterday in the morning :0

Hi Cecilita  ::HelloKitty::   Maybe he's out on bond?  I'm not sure how the laws work there.
Hi Muffybee!,
Well if he was arrested Thursday, it is possible that he got free the same day or Friday. I feel sorry for his mom ...she is doing better now but this bad news about her son will not help her at all!!!! ....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2010, 10:30:09 PM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 





He must be free now because I saw him posting in FB yesterday in the morning :0

Hi Cecilita  ::HelloKitty::   Maybe he's out on bond?  I'm not sure how the laws work there.
Hi Muffybee!,
Well if he was arrested Thursday, it is possible that he got free the same day or Friday. I feel sorry for his mom ...she is doing better now but this bad news about her son will not help her at all!!!! ....


I read a later translation that says it was determined that the motorcyclist was drunk and failed to
turn his headlight on.  That is why Ricardo Flores, Jr. did not see the cyclist and charges were dropped.

I am sure that the incident was very unsettling to all concerned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 08, 2010, 10:33:54 PM
Thank you for the update/information Magnolia.  ITA about the incident being unsettling to all concerned. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho

Well, if we based everything on pictures, I think most of us think Julia Renfro looks about 60 but someone said she recently had a baby.  Miraculous conception or deceiving pictures.  Who knows.  Sometimes people do look older/younger in photographs.

I look older than dirt in photographs, but I'm sure that can't be me.
 
In my heart, I am a cute young thing.  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 08, 2010, 11:02:46 PM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho

Well, if we based everything on pictures, I think most of us think Julia Renfro looks about 60 but someone said she recently had a baby.  Miraculous conception or deceiving pictures.  Who knows.  Sometimes people do look older/younger in photographs.

I look older than dirt in photographs, but I'm sure that can't be me.
 
In my heart, I am a cute young thing.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

You are a cute young thing  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2010, 11:38:37 PM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho

Well, if we based everything on pictures, I think most of us think Julia Renfro looks about 60 but someone said she recently had a baby.  Miraculous conception or deceiving pictures.  Who knows.  Sometimes people do look older/younger in photographs.

I look older than dirt in photographs, but I'm sure that can't be me.
 
In my heart, I am a cute young thing.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

You are a cute young thing  ::MonkeyWink::

So are you----I saw your picture with Austin Powers.  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 12:13:13 AM
Update on Matthews:

Translated

Alex Mathew (37), among others suspected of trafficking, this afternoon under heavy police escort flown to Bonaire. There he will remain ten days in custody. The reason is mainly that the operator of Foxy Lady at San Nicolas' extensive contacts "would have to Aruban police officers and prison guards.

And blindfolded in an armlock firm was accused of trafficking Alex Mathew yesterday directed to the plane that brought him to Bonaire.
Because justice has no insight into this friendship, it was decided today that Mathew is not here in the KIA prison is locked. "We first want to know more about those contacts. The investigation to keep clean, he moved to Bonaire, "said spokeswoman Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM). Another reason is that Mathew is classified as 'dangerous'. Amigoe already reported Thursday that Mathew in 2001 the then interim director of KIA, Ben King, grievous bodily harm inflicted when he was arrested for serious assault. Asked whether Bonaire than dangerous criminals better safeguard says Angela: "It is a combination of two factors, dangerous and far-reaching contacts that Mathew in Bonaire is held." The judge certain yesterday morning before his departure that he into being in the cell should remain. In ten days he was back again for the judge to decide whether it should appear Mathew longer kept fixed.
How "friendly" ties with its police officers were, according to the OM yet the investigation continue. Justice confirmed yesterday eventually, after other media were all over the news that the raids Thursday in a police officer was arrested. This would in his spare time as a guard at the Foxy Lady strip tent worked. Under one of the four arrested was a woman. Mathew is in any case of suspected involvement in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. The case came four months ago started rolling when one of the dancers in the strip club had lodged. According to the OM, the strippers are exploited and they were held against their will. Justice is still busy with the investigation and does not rule out that more people are arrested.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76347.php


IMO, it will be interesting to see what happens with this, if anything...

I'd already saved the screenshot to my photobucket before I noticed it had already been posted, so I'm adding it to Buckeye's post. 

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08082010_Amigoe_AlexMathew.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 09, 2010, 12:41:25 AM
Update on Matthews:

Translated

Alex Mathew (37), among others suspected of trafficking, this afternoon under heavy police escort flown to Bonaire. There he will remain ten days in custody. The reason is mainly that the operator of Foxy Lady at San Nicolas' extensive contacts "would have to Aruban police officers and prison guards.

And blindfolded in an armlock firm was accused of trafficking Alex Mathew yesterday directed to the plane that brought him to Bonaire.
Because justice has no insight into this friendship, it was decided today that Mathew is not here in the KIA prison is locked. "We first want to know more about those contacts. The investigation to keep clean, he moved to Bonaire, "said spokeswoman Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM). Another reason is that Mathew is classified as 'dangerous'. Amigoe already reported Thursday that Mathew in 2001 the then interim director of KIA, Ben King, grievous bodily harm inflicted when he was arrested for serious assault. Asked whether Bonaire than dangerous criminals better safeguard says Angela: "It is a combination of two factors, dangerous and far-reaching contacts that Mathew in Bonaire is held." The judge certain yesterday morning before his departure that he into being in the cell should remain. In ten days he was back again for the judge to decide whether it should appear Mathew longer kept fixed.
How "friendly" ties with its police officers were, according to the OM yet the investigation continue. Justice confirmed yesterday eventually, after other media were all over the news that the raids Thursday in a police officer was arrested. This would in his spare time as a guard at the Foxy Lady strip tent worked. Under one of the four arrested was a woman. Mathew is in any case of suspected involvement in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. The case came four months ago started rolling when one of the dancers in the strip club had lodged. According to the OM, the strippers are exploited and they were held against their will. Justice is still busy with the investigation and does not rule out that more people are arrested.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76347.php


IMO, it will be interesting to see what happens with this, if anything...

I'd already saved the screenshot to my photobucket before I noticed it had already been posted, so I'm adding it to Buckeye's post. 

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08082010_Amigoe_AlexMathew.jpg)

I like Alex Mathew's luggage better than the Kalpoes'. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 12:42:15 AM
This was probably already posted.  Wish we knew the whole name of the American that was sentenced.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76116.php


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08022010_Amigoe_AmericanSentencedforDrugs.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 12:43:28 AM
Update on Matthews:

Translated

Alex Mathew (37), among others suspected of trafficking, this afternoon under heavy police escort flown to Bonaire. There he will remain ten days in custody. The reason is mainly that the operator of Foxy Lady at San Nicolas' extensive contacts "would have to Aruban police officers and prison guards.

And blindfolded in an armlock firm was accused of trafficking Alex Mathew yesterday directed to the plane that brought him to Bonaire.
Because justice has no insight into this friendship, it was decided today that Mathew is not here in the KIA prison is locked. "We first want to know more about those contacts. The investigation to keep clean, he moved to Bonaire, "said spokeswoman Angela Ann of the Public Prosecutor (OM). Another reason is that Mathew is classified as 'dangerous'. Amigoe already reported Thursday that Mathew in 2001 the then interim director of KIA, Ben King, grievous bodily harm inflicted when he was arrested for serious assault. Asked whether Bonaire than dangerous criminals better safeguard says Angela: "It is a combination of two factors, dangerous and far-reaching contacts that Mathew in Bonaire is held." The judge certain yesterday morning before his departure that he into being in the cell should remain. In ten days he was back again for the judge to decide whether it should appear Mathew longer kept fixed.
How "friendly" ties with its police officers were, according to the OM yet the investigation continue. Justice confirmed yesterday eventually, after other media were all over the news that the raids Thursday in a police officer was arrested. This would in his spare time as a guard at the Foxy Lady strip tent worked. Under one of the four arrested was a woman. Mathew is in any case of suspected involvement in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. The case came four months ago started rolling when one of the dancers in the strip club had lodged. According to the OM, the strippers are exploited and they were held against their will. Justice is still busy with the investigation and does not rule out that more people are arrested.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_76347.php


IMO, it will be interesting to see what happens with this, if anything...

I'd already saved the screenshot to my photobucket before I noticed it had already been posted, so I'm adding it to Buckeye's post. 

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08082010_Amigoe_AlexMathew.jpg)

I like Alex Mathew's luggage better than the Kalpoes'. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 12:44:34 AM
That woman pictured above is atleat 30 ..jmho

Well, if we based everything on pictures, I think most of us think Julia Renfro looks about 60 but someone said she recently had a baby.  Miraculous conception or deceiving pictures.  Who knows.  Sometimes people do look older/younger in photographs.

I look older than dirt in photographs, but I'm sure that can't be me.
 
In my heart, I am a cute young thing.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

You are a cute young thing  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 12:54:52 AM
I noticed there's a few articles about this case and another where informers are ending up in court; and now fear for their lives because their identities have been revealed.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76115.php

Suspect released due to serious mistakes Justice

2 Aug, 2010, 08:38 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — In a case against a drug smuggler, the Public Prosecutor (OM) was declared inadmissible due to serious violation of standards. For years, the male had namely provided the Criminal Investigation Service (CID) with information on organized drug smuggle from Venezuela to Aruba. The judge had decided in June that the suspect could not be prosecuted because the CID was aware of his share in the drug smuggle, but kept using his information in spite of this.

The male is suspected of assisting in the smuggling of a large quantity of cocaine to Aruba on September 30th 2008. However, he stated before Justice he had done so because he had feared for his life. For instance, at a certain moment, the leader of the criminal gang who was responsible for the drug smuggle, had sent for him. The leader with the nickname El Ingeniero had supposedly threatened him and had executed a person before his eyes to demonstrate what would happen to squealers.

During the session of the court case, the CID-officer of Justice Hans Mos and head of the CID Alcides Davelaar were heard as witnesses on the role of the drug informer. Telephone data from the suspect – in particular from around September 30th 2008 – was asked back. The latter was necessary to determine whether the suspect had still tried to contact the CID to inform the service on the upcoming smuggle. However, the OM was not able to produce the telephone data entirely. Nevertheless, based on the statements, the judge decided one could not preclude that the CID had deployed the suspect up to the last moment before his apprehension.
Moreover, the male had not received any support either, although the CID was aware the informer had been threatened with death.
 
Infiltration
The role of the drug informer had therefore gone further than only providing information. According to the judge, the male was given a certain position within the Venezuelan criminal organization, with foreknowledge of the CID. This form of citizen infiltration is very controversial following the well-known IRT-affaire in the Netherlands that had occurred in the nineties. In that, citizens – with or without a police record – had been used to infiltrate criminal organizations. In order to let these citizen infiltrators employ a certain position within the criminal gangs, Justice had knowingly also let for example smuggled drugs through. The used tracking methods – amongst which this citizen infiltration – had eventually led to the dismissal of two ministers and police officials, and a parliamentary inquiry. One of the conclusions was that henceforth all tracking methods used by Justice, had to be regulated by law. That was also done in the so-called BOB-law that was implemented in 2000. For that matter, the deployment of criminal citizens for infiltration is virtually prohibited in the Netherlands.

Not regulated by law
Infiltration on Aruba (as well as in the Netherlands Antilles) by both citizens and police, is not regulated by law yet. In 2008, the Attorney Generals of Aruba and the Antilles had drawn up a guideline in anticipation of new legislation to regulate this. The guideline was drawn up because of a court case against a criminal drug smuggling organization (Domino-case) in which the OM had used illegal tapping methods. The judge had not allowed this obtained evidence to be used. This new legislation is still afoot.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 01:28:39 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20590-dama-turista-ta-hoga-banda-di-westin-resort.html

Papiamentu translation:

tourist owing to hoga at altitude by westin resort

sunday, 08 august 2010 15:36

before more or less 2:45pm owing to attain notificacion by one by two caso by possible hogamento at altitude by westin resort. this at instant cu barely autoridadnan was terminando cu the first caso by hogamento at altitude by platform by beach. personal by ambulance cu owing to arrive at once at westin resort owing to cuminsa brinda cpr at the tourist but at self instant owing to informa policlinica cu they're biniendo cu maximo urgencia cu one patient by cual her situation is quite delicado. dado instant even was below ; the impresion cu owing to succeed rebiba the patient. at hospital the personal medico owing to haci they maximo esfuerzo but not owing to succeed save the person. before more or less 3or by afternoon doctor at keep at policlinica owing to constata dead by grace griffin berg naci at u.s.a. day 27 by feburary 1927 (83 aña) y was hospedando at westin resort. by acuerdo cu informacion by police, the victima owing to trip before aruba cu one girlfriend cu also is one person by edad. paz at her restonan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 01:31:50 AM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20588-sambuyado-a-hoga-pazuid-di-casa-del-mar.html

Papiamentu translation:

tourist owing to hoga pazuid by casa del mar

sunday, 08 august 2010 14:21

one man probably was snorkel owing to being attain 1/2 mile pazuid by casa del mar resort is drief. past owing to being attain before one boat particular cu owing to be called police maritimo cu owing to come tume over y transporte before platform at oranjestad. before 2or by afternoon dr. mungra owing to constata dead probably door by hogamento by the tourist jorge juan villada restrepo naci at medellin colombia y kedando at madiki 131. fiscal zondervan did take the curpa in beslag. police owing to encounter cu the famianan at altitude by bushiti hotel is buscando they being keri. at once owing to bring they platform by oranjestad where they owing to reconoce the curpa by they being keri. owing to send be called the departamento by "slachtofferhulp" before come brinda aid profesional at the famianan cu owing to remain all tristo at present before perdida by they being love just during one vakantie at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 02:03:28 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 09, 2010, 08:21:19 AM
Stephany's youngest brother, Ricardo Flores Junior, age 20, arrested in deadly traffic accident.


Ricardo Ramírez Flores Jr. (20), brother of Stephany, the girl who was killed last June by Dutchman Joran go der Sloot, was arrested at the police station Casma, Ancash, after his truck hit a motorcycle driven by Wilmer Núñez Ojeda (34), who died on the spot. The accident occurred at 19:35 pm on Thursday at kilometer 384 of the Panamericana Norte, in circumstances that the son of Ricardo Flores racer "rifle" was driving his truck modern AIB-226 from Trujillo to Lima. It seems that the darkness prevented the young driver, who was accompanied by a friend, noticing this rider. The tax Casma, Gladys Hinojosa, Ricardo Junior denounced for the crime of manslaughter and was released as above.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ojo.com.pe%2Fojo%2Fnota.php%3FtxtSecci_parent%3D4%26txtSecci_id%3D65%26txtNota_id%3D408980


Very sad!  This family has had more than their share of tragedy these past few months.  :(


 





He must be free now because I saw him posting in FB yesterday in the morning :0

So sad.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: nonesuche on August 09, 2010, 09:06:48 AM
yes that is horribly sad Snoopy, I agree

Don't know if this has been posted yet - National Enquirer:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_van_der_sloot_escape_attempt_natalee_nolloway_flores/celebrity/69123

JORAN ESCAPE ATTEMPT

Confessed murderer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT tried to escape his Peruvian prison - but sources say guards stopped him after his cell mate squealed!

Charged with killing college student Stephany Flores in Lima, van
der Sloot - also the key suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba - is behind bars in the notoriously harsh Miguel Castro Castro prison.

"Van der Sloot's now jailed in the high-security area," an insider told The ENQUIRER, "and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he's transferred to the general population."

Knowing a hit has been ordered on him, "Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Desperate, the thug devised a plan guaranteed to land him in the medical center and from there - escape!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: BooMonkey on August 09, 2010, 10:37:14 AM
yes that is horribly sad Snoopy, I agree

Don't know if this has been posted yet - National Enquirer:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_van_der_sloot_escape_attempt_natalee_nolloway_flores/celebrity/69123

JORAN ESCAPE ATTEMPT

Confessed murderer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT tried to escape his Peruvian prison - but sources say guards stopped him after his cell mate squealed!

Charged with killing college student Stephany Flores in Lima, van
der Sloot - also the key suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba - is behind bars in the notoriously harsh Miguel Castro Castro prison.

"Van der Sloot's now jailed in the high-security area," an insider told The ENQUIRER, "and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he's transferred to the general population."

Knowing a hit has been ordered on him, "Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Desperate, the thug devised a plan guaranteed to land him in the medical center and from there - escape!

Hmmmm, I can't quite believe this. Yes, I believe there is a hit on him, but I don't think he could escape. He's safer inside the prison than outside. Peruvian's would lynch him from the nearest tree!!   ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 09, 2010, 10:59:33 AM
yes that is horribly sad Snoopy, I agree

Don't know if this has been posted yet - National Enquirer:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_van_der_sloot_escape_attempt_natalee_nolloway_flores/celebrity/69123

JORAN ESCAPE ATTEMPT

Confessed murderer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT tried to escape his Peruvian prison - but sources say guards stopped him after his cell mate squealed!

Charged with killing college student Stephany Flores in Lima, van
der Sloot - also the key suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba - is behind bars in the notoriously harsh Miguel Castro Castro prison.

"Van der Sloot's now jailed in the high-security area," an insider told The ENQUIRER, "and he's been told that a 'hit' has been ordered on him when he's transferred to the general population."

Knowing a hit has been ordered on him, "Joran knows his only chance for survival and future freedom is to be transferred to the medical wing."

Desperate, the thug devised a plan guaranteed to land him in the medical center and from there - escape!

Hmmmm, I can't quite believe this. Yes, I believe there is a hit on him, but I don't think he could escape. He's safer inside the prison than outside. Peruvian's would lynch him from the nearest tree!!   ::MonkeyHang::

If this is all true, then the cellmate that ratted Joran's escape plans may have saved Joran's life. (for a little longer, anyway)  I don't know about prison's in Peru, but often when there is an escape attempt, the escapees can be shot as they try to escape.

.  Of course, even in the unlikely event Joran  escaped, he would stick out like the sore thumb he is unless/until he could get out of the country.  Joran has that big Frankenstein head, not to mention he's taller than an average Peruvian citizen. Even if he tries to dye his hair red/orange again, I think it would be very hard for him to be disguised.  He would have to have help to escape, and anyone that was caught doing that could be shot also. A lot of risk.   I think there would be plenty of folks in Peru that wouldn't have a problem taking justice into their own hands if they saw Joran Van Der Sloot out of prison  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 09, 2010, 11:40:14 AM
An Inconvenient Truth: Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven Making Movie about Joran Van der Sloot and Death & Disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/07/an-inconvenient-truth-dutch-filmmaker-paul-ruven-making-movie-about-joran-van-der-sloot-and-death-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/

An ‘”Inconvenient Truth” for Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven … Joran Van der Sloot killed again!

Now, comes Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven who claims he is making a film about the Natalee Holloway case as he searches for the truth. Really? The film claims to hold no punches on any of the individuals involved including Joran Van der Sloot, Aruban police, government or the victims family. One does have to question why any one would take the approach of smearing the Holloway family as a way of so-called finding the truth as to what happened.




I couldn't agree more, Red.  This smearing of Natalee and her family is not only just plain wrong and incorrect, it is based on highly questionable sources.  And it is totally irrelevant.  Is this film producer trying to say that coldblooded murder is justified?  Sure sounds that way to me.

If all the lies Aruba tells about Natalee were true, does that mean it's OK to murder her and hide the body?  Watch out tourists!  If you get too drunk in Aruba, it's grounds for a local to make you disappear from the face of the earth.

You are forewarned by their own actions.  Even in hindsight, they claim that makes it OK or has some bearing on your safety.

And when Natalee went to Aruba, they were claiming they had only 1 murder there in the last 20 years, yet another whopping lie.  What else are they lying about?  No one is safe under these conditions in Aruba if they are a tourist.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 09, 2010, 11:45:23 AM
It's good to know that Joran is aware his cellblock mate is no friend and canot be trusted.

Must make him sleep with one eye open, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Ratting our Joran's "constipation" ruse is likely the least of what this roomy is capable of doing and Joran must wonder what else he could do to him.  Is this man already under life sentence?  If so, he has nothing to lose as Peru doesn't have the death penalty if you get my drift.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 09, 2010, 11:45:31 AM
I sort of hope the escape attempt is true. It's just confirmation that Joran is scared chitless and desperate. That makes my day!   ::MonkeyDance:: If true, he also knows that his cellmate isn't his "Buddy" and hopefully, that will make him feel more alone. 

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hey Joran? Remember the smug attitude with Beth??? Are ya' still feeling cocky???   :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 09, 2010, 12:46:47 PM
It's good to know that Joran is aware his cellblock mate is no friend and canot be trusted.

Must make him sleep with one eye open, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Ratting our Joran's "constipation" ruse is likely the least of what this roomy is capable of doing and Joran must wonder what else he could do to him.  Is this man already under life sentence?  If so, he has nothing to lose as Peru doesn't have the death penalty if you get my drift.
I never could trust a clown.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Patriot on August 09, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
Have we ever seen this before? I hadn't and thought it was interesting.

I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-der-sloot-fbi-affidavit?page=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 09, 2010, 02:23:05 PM
Have we ever seen this before? I hadn't and thought it was interesting.

I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-der-sloot-fbi-affidavit?page=0

Yes.  This is the extortion and wire fraud charges filed following Stephany Flores's death. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 09, 2010, 02:35:42 PM

From our old friend Kyle's Twitter account...

"Mom is in a coma after a MC crash yesterday. Glad I'm not in Kazakhstan now!"

Thank you, Patriot.  I just happened to read his blog yesterday about the Kazakhstan job.   I do hope she will be okay. 




Do you think his mother was in a motorcycle crash?  Or does MC mean something else?

I think it means Motorcyle Crash

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/hunterdon-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/07/pittstown_resident_daria_kingm.html

Pittstown resident Daria Kingman injured in motorcycle crash, police say
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 4:44 PM     
Updated: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 6:14 PM
 Tom Quigley

A Pittstown woman is in critical condition after she apparently suffered a medical problem before losing control of her motorcycle this morning at Route 625 and Perryville Road in Union Township, New Jersey State Police report.

Daria Kingman, 59, was driving a 2005 Triumph north on Route 625 when she lost control of the motorcycle and was ejected, police said.

She was flown to St. Luke’s Hospital in Fountain Hill after the 10:49 crash, police said.

Police said Kingman was wearing a helmet and the road conditions were dry.


Kyle Twitter Update:
Herniated disc causing Peripheral Neuropathy affecting my Ulnar nerve also Achilles tendinopathy. Sucks getting older!

Kyle Twitter Update:
Mom is still in a coma from the motorcycle crash last week. Some progress was made and she responded to dad with her eye today.

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/events/1504-maine-european-motorcycle-meet

Comments
Al and Daria Kingman, 25 days ago
So looking forward to seeing everyone, going on a "spirited ride" and hanging at the skiway. can't wait!

Kyle Kingman, 11 days ago
I regret to say that Al and Daria Kingman will not make it. Daria (my mom) was involved in a severe motorcycle accident Thurday, 22-July on her '05 Triumph. She was riding on a 50 mph beautiful country road and didn't see a poorly marked blind intersection which should not be there. She skidded ~60 ft before high-siding, throwing her over the bars. She has been in a coma since with severe brain injury, 9-13 broken ribs, collar bone, collapsed lung, etc. Prayers would be appreciated for her recovery. Both her and my father would have LOVED to be at the meet instead!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Patriot on August 09, 2010, 02:36:29 PM
Have we ever seen this before? I hadn't and thought it was interesting.

I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-der-sloot-fbi-affidavit?page=0

Yes.  This is the extortion and wire fraud charges filed following Stephany Flores's death. 

yes, I realize what it was for, I just had never actually seen the actual PDF document.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:03:20 PM
from old notes in 2005



Posner lived in the Holiday Inn Hotel up until 3-4 years ago.

He has 2 homes on Aruba. One in Savaneta, near van Rijn (hilltop)

And the other in Noord, overlooking the city.
This home was available in August 2005 for showings.
The furnishings are that of an older person.

But, more importantly, the R.E. agent is based in MICHIGAN.

http://www.viviun.com/AD-32617/
Caya Bunita Bista #14, Tierra del Sol HOUSE 4 SALE $3 MIL *Fully Furnished

(Caya Bunita Bista #7-C Tierra del Sol NOORD, ARUBA LUIS POSNER)


Sherry Hass R.E. Agent W. Bloomfield, Michigan (Detroit area)

Phones: 001-248-737-9149 (Michigan Home Phone)
001-248-761-5712 (Michigan Cell Phone)
011-297-992-5393 (Aruba Cell Phone)
001-248-671-0473 (E-Fax US)


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Raddison Hotel

Where Geoffrey worked and Joran stated he was playing at the Casino the next night

The Tierra Del Sol championship golf course, designed by Robert Trent Jones Jr., is located approximately 5 miles away


Wasn't there something about the birds or parrots in the Shango stuff?

Because look at this at the Raddison:

(http://www.photowebusa.com/aruba/ipix/lobby.jpg)


http://www.radisson.com/hoteldirectory/hotelbio.jsp?hotelCode=ARUARUBA&hotelBrandCode=RAD&key=webextra.rooms.&submenu=webextra.rooms.highlight.&origin=&backURI=&maintitle=Rooms+%26+Amenities





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:05:04 PM
Tattoo docks
 Boarding Pier: De Palm Pier (Between the Aruba Grand and Radisson)[/b]

http://image24.webshots.com/25/4/39/17/34443917juaVTd_ph.jpg


GVC worked at Aruba Watersports Center at the Radisson.[/b]


VROLIJK-SEMELEER    GLENDA MARIA    CAYA DI BUNITA BISTA (TIERRA DEL SOL)

POSNER LOUIS ANTHONY    CAYA DI BUNITA BISTA (TIERRA DEL SOL)



Hiram has Birthday party at Tierra Del Sol mansion 11-5-2005.
http://www.guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/11-06-05happybirthhiram/index.htm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:06:25 PM
CHARLES CROES
(http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/images/p_golf_bosscuba2.jpg)
The Tierra Del Sol Golf Tournament over the weekend was pronounced a great success. Sponsors HUGO BOSS & Cuba's Cooking restaurant, were both extremely happy with the turnout and intend to double that performance next year. In total, 87 persons signed up for the two day event.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html#story13



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:08:04 PM

Rob
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Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006 (#2)
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2006, 09:38:29 PM »

<snip>   

however, Ed Smith got some type of tip to go to the rock area and he did.
Dave Holloway indicated the was a diversion set up on the other side of the island and that led the MSM over there.
Ed Smith in an email to me, indicated that there was also a diversion set up and he was not missing out on a chance to cash in.
he followed the polis and a series of other vehicles to the rock area from a distance. he went up in an area on tierra del sol and filmed from a high vantage spot. he took a camera that had a pretty good zoom.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3680.660



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:09:09 PM

red
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:04 am    Post subject: natie    Reply with quote


JustMe,

There are 2 neighborhoods (wealthy) near the Lighthouse. Looking down from the Lighthouse
At the left side there is Tierra del Sol (golfcourse and townhouses), at the right side
There is the Malmok area. There are few houses that are for rent or for sale..
Maybe you can look them up in rentals.

Red
http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=275



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 03:09:46 PM
Have we ever seen this before? I hadn't and thought it was interesting.

I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-der-sloot-fbi-affidavit?page=0

Yes.  This is the extortion and wire fraud charges filed following Stephany Flores's death. 

yes, I realize what it was for, I just had never actually seen the actual PDF document.


 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 09, 2010, 03:20:06 PM
Have we ever seen this before? I hadn't and thought it was interesting.

I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/van-der-sloot-fbi-affidavit?page=0

Yes.  This is the extortion and wire fraud charges filed following Stephany Flores's death. 

yes, I realize what it was for, I just had never actually seen the actual PDF document.


 ::MonkeyCool::




I thought someone posted parts of it....maybe I'm wrong. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 09, 2010, 03:35:21 PM

Rob
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Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - JUNE, 2006 (#2)
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2006, 09:38:29 PM »

<snip>   

however, Ed Smith got some type of tip to go to the rock area and he did.
Dave Holloway indicated the was a diversion set up on the other side of the island and that led the MSM over there.
Ed Smith in an email to me, indicated that there was also a diversion set up and he was not missing out on a chance to cash in.
he followed the polis and a series of other vehicles to the rock area from a distance. he went up in an area on tierra del sol and filmed from a high vantage spot. he took a camera that had a pretty good zoom.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3680.660


# Rob Says:
April 16th, 2006 at 7:19 pm

Herc, as the only person here who has seen the missing video (and i saw it on 6-13-2005) three days after it was shot by Ed Smith.. i can assure you, that was no road project…it was what i have alway said it was… the recovery or crime scene of something or someone. there is one other known person who has seen the video. she is in holland and there have been numerous attempts to contact her. So Herc, not to dispute what you bring to the table in the form of information, however, i know what i saw…and its been the biggest point of contention for me…along with the other video shot the following day of the same rocks being painted.
just to make sure we are clear, the missing aru-bay video was shot on 6-10-2005, the day Natalee was declared dead and later retracted… and i have the server parent list to prove when it was loaded on to the aru-bay site on 6-11-2005.. and the rock painting video shot on 6-11-2005 and loaded on to the aru-bay server on 6-12-2005…

Herc, i have been to aruba 9 times.. i know what road projects look like on aruba.. that was no road project or municiple prolject.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 09, 2010, 03:38:19 PM
April 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pm

So what exactly is the Visibility Team?

Police? Security? Or a mix of both?

i now understand they are rent-a-cops. contract cops that patol the beaches to ensure order. basically jobs real cops should be doing but dont want to. thanks to stanley zandaam im sure.

they seem to have the powers to make arrests or confiscations. also take statements, but do not have the power to interview or interrogate anyone. they call the real cops for that job.


I don't know you ..you (under the xxx name ) wrote me one letter nicely
.... but why should i go through the whole process of finding the tape
....loading the footage into my full computer ......go into software to
shrink the movie ........just to send it to you to and many others like you
.....for you to try to pin stuff on us or our island that just isn't true
......And by the time i chequed my mail you ( the first person ) were
allready treatening me or triing to , cause even if the broke down my door
( yea right ) there is nothing new here ......If the FBI ALE or whoever you
call need the tape ( yea right ) they can come and get it or call me and i
will bring it to them .........But scum reporters like yourself can keep
tring your bullshit stories on me but nobody's gonna get that tape by
treatning all sorts of crap........so F*** YOU AGAIN.............
And if you think that tape will solve anything is just as stupid as saying
that cnn fox nbc abc footage of ALE and FBI agents doing their work solved
the mystery ........ity just doesn't make sence ...........SO F*** OFF
ALREADY.................GO MAKE YOUR DUMB CALLS AND GET LAUGHED AT BY YOUR
OWN FBI...............

B.S B.S B.S Its a good thing you don't get my whole letters Cause ....But i
will tell you this ..I don't care who you are but there's nothing in the
videos ( XXXX ) so im gonna stop
responding unless you can tell me there's something in it that would solve
the case ....I've got better things to do than inform yall and gossip so
...Go to cnn if you want newsreports ....Don't like my attitude ...to bad
...call the fbi ale interpol .....i don't care so have a nice life.........




Call the fbi or whatever


> how original.....why not throw in a death treat ????
> bring it on bitch......call whoever you want ......do whatever you
> want.........
> and when you are done doing whatever you want ...........GET A LIFE or
> something..............
> CALL CRIMESTOPPERS AMERIKAS MOST WANTED THE FBI THE ALE NANCY GRACY BETH
> TWITTY
> and whever else and let them all f*** you in your ass you bitch
> ............maybe that will make you happy .........HA HA HA HA
> HA.............

BLONDE - WE NEED A LINK FOR EVERYTHING EVEN IF IT'S A DEAD LINK.  PLUS - WE NEED TO EDIT OUT THE "F" WORD PLEASE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 09, 2010, 03:46:13 PM
I have more if you need it (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/m_02ff2488663289106de0037b614c0977.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 09, 2010, 04:34:23 PM
I have more if you need it (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/m_02ff2488663289106de0037b614c0977.gif)

Heh Heh I love it Blonde.

Do you know who posted the April 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pm post?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 09, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
I have more if you need it (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/m_02ff2488663289106de0037b614c0977.gif)

Heh Heh I love it Blonde.

Do you know who posted the April 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pm post?




Kermit - it looks like an email conversation between Rob and the Aru-bay guy Ed Smith.  I actually have copies of all that from back in 2006 and some stuff from 2005. 

We are going back the the rocks and the videos shot and the one video marked as NATALEE MOVIE 3 which is private on the aru-bay site.  All that information went to the FBI back in 2005.

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2010, 05:24:49 PM
No Doubts ... June 24, 2005

Beth Twitty:  I think I have made it clear that I have some pretty strong feelings, from the moment I arrived on this island, 11:00 p.m. on May the 30th. In addition to that, May 31st, in the early morning hours between 1:00 and 4:00 a.m., I had even stronger feelings.

I know — I know — he has some information. It was confirmed to me during that visit at his home.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160612,00.html


Considering lies are created to cover the truth ... Beth Holloway had no doubts from the getgo that deception was where it was at regarding what happened to her precious daughter.

++++++

THE LIES

May 30, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 30:  The students say Natalee got into a silver or gray Honda with a young man who had befriended some of her classmates.  One of Jug’s nephews, Thomas, says he actually met the guy Natalee was seen leaving Carlos ‘n Charlie’s with.  Thomas says this young man’s name is “Gerran or Juran or something like that.”  The last information communicated from the students before they board their plane is that this Joran guy is a tourist from Holland.  And he is staying at the Holiday Inn

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.  It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


May 31, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  It’s about three o’clock in the morning.  It’s a school night.  They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 09, 2010, 05:29:56 PM
such a parasite, sort of reminds you of that vander sloot goon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1301554/Levi-Johnston-attends-Teen-Choice-Awards-music-video-star-Brittani-Senser.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2010, 05:37:48 PM
It appears that the following is the production The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Story.  I could be wrong.

Janet
_______

Poochy
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion
« Reply #1106 on: Today at 12:05:47 AM »


natalee holloway 'a different story' part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb4XwnKV1q4&feature=related

natalee holloway 'a different story' part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOtbxk9JDw&feature=related

http://goldmonkey.org/

+++++++



THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW

JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse


WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .

“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.

“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”

VIDEO TAPE

So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.

The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.

Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.

That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.

MEDPLANE

They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.

SECRET EXIT

The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.

Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.

Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”

She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.

TELEPHONE CALL

The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.

When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.

But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.

ALBERTO G.

Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.

JORAN

If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.

For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .

Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”

In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.

ENORMOUS PRESSURE

Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”

STEPFATHER

Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”

But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.

It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.

The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.

NOT ON FBI LIST

The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 09, 2010, 05:43:37 PM
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Heh Heh I love it Blonde.

Do you know who posted the April 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pm post?

# Rob Says:
April 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2010, 11:12:27 PM
Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200
: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

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The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 11:44:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76393.php

Google translation:

Reported trafficking from Ukraine

August 9, 2010, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

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The House of Detention on Bonaire where Mathew is currently being detained.

ORANGE CITY - Message from 'Ukrainian corner' Foxy Lady strip club on the Trafficking Coordination of the National Police (Police Agency) in the Netherlands, has also led to the arrest of owner Alex Mathew.

This is the Public Prosecutor (OM) to request this morning told the newspaper. "We received indications from the Netherlands that Foxy Lady would have to do with human beings," said the prosecutor in charge of this case. According to the officer there are no immediate reports on Aruba have. Well, there were indirect indications that the club is indeed involved in human trafficking would be. Further investigation revealed that several police officers and staff KIA "friendly contacts" with Mathew maintained. About the nature of these contacts is not yet published. Nevertheless, the OM stress that "no evidence of corruption." "With whom officers or prison guards in their spare time, establish friendships that up to them," the case officer. Despite being only "marginalized", wants the OM or investigate the nature of these contacts. As a precaution to avoid problems and Mathew was flown to Bonaire where he currently resides in prison, pending the further course of the investigation. Not only because of the "friendly contacts" but also because of the aggressive history of Mathew. He was previously convicted of violent crimes in 2001 and spent the interim director Ben King KIA serious bodily injury. "He obviously has problems with Aruban authorities for his bad decisions," said Jaap Zondervan officer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 09, 2010, 11:52:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76390.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Two tourists drown one day

August 9, 2010, 1:56 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - On the southwest coast of Aruba on Sunday two people drowned. Half a mile south of Casa Del Mar was yesterday afternoon the floating body of the tourist Juan Villada Jorge Restrepo (41) found. Not much later, at three hours in the afternoon was a 83-year-old American tourist from the sea at the Westin hotel met. The elderly woman Grace Griffin Berg was successfully resuscitated, but died later in hospital.

According to police spokesman John Larmonie says that the presence of lifeguards could make a difference in this and other cases. At the same time he is reluctant to be. "Later it goes wrong and the hotels and the country held liable."

End of July, 1924 Aruban certified lifeguards. None of them is now in session. Jesus Cardoso, President of the Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) co-financed by the course, explains why. "There is a chance that hotels be held liable should it go wrong. It will therefore be found where a legal structure to protect the hotels. "Another problem is lack of money. AHSF namely to establish such a separate organization than the use of lifeguards will govern. This requires more funds to be recruited, says Cardoso. He says the two drowning cases regrettable. Not long ago there were in his way even lifeguards by the popular beach resorts were watching. The reason why these are no longer there, do not Cardoso.

Whether this year more people have drowned, is otherwise known. Both police, Horacio Oduber Hospital and the 911 emergency center this morning this newspaper could not produce figures. Hospital spokesman Bob Harms: "The hospital is the number of not drowning. Who do not not go to the emergency, but directly to the morgue. "Also the alarm can not immediately say how many drownings have occurred. Both they and the hospital by referring to the police. But they could not discuss recent figures. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 12:00:30 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76392.php

Google translation:

"Legal proceedings in danger because of illegal investigative methods"

August 9, 2010, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Dutch lawyer Gerard Spong predicts that "short-term major criminal cases will collapse 'in Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. This is because there is still a gap in the legislation on the islands and therefore the use of special investigative means are not is provided.

This can be found in the NRC Handelsblad today. Amigoe has published several stories about this gap in the legislation. Last Saturday, this newspaper wrote about the use of such weather burgerinfiltranten by the Aruban justice. In a lawsuit against one of these burgerinfiltranten, the Public Prosecutor (OM) already inadmissible. Legislation for the detection methods, known as BOB-law, late in coming years. Similarly in the Antilles, although here the OM advises that the law on the neighboring island these days is treated by the parliament. In Aruba is not yet ready, the bill is now at Department of Legislative Response to the Minister of Justice on the advice of the Advisory Board.

The use of yet legally regulated screening methods in the Netherlands now has the attention. Judges, bound by rulings of the European Court of Human Rights, consider increasing the special investigative methods such as surveillance, infiltration or wiretapping must not be used without adequate legislation, said Spong in NRC. According to the Dutch lawyer does justice to major investigations minimal use of special investigative means to prevent them by the court declared inadmissible or that evidence is invalidated. That the "illegal investigative methods, however, still be used, it was clear last week in the reporting of Amigoe. In an interview with this newspaper, Chief Peter Blanken also means that detection is used. They are not deployed, he assures, to "conclusive evidence" or to get "bogged down due to an investigation."

Ybo Buruma, criminal law scholar and professor at Radboud University Nijmegen, also as expected Spong current criminal problems. The NRC says it: "The tapping of phones, the use of systematic observation burgerinfiltranten or resources to intervene heavily in the privacy of citizens, even if they are suspects. It may, under certain conditions, but it is clear that there is a sound legal basis should be. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 12:11:09 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76368.php

English Version

Several citizens deployed for criminal infiltration

7 Aug, 2010, 08:12 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD – Despite the fact that Justice still denies it had deployed citizen infiltrators illegally, it now appears from two recent court cases that citizens most certainly were actively deployed to round up drug gangs or drug smuggles in particular. In one case, Justice had even given a citizen counterfeit money to arrange a drug deal.

The deployment of citizen infiltrators is prohibited in Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles and currently still controversial in the Netherlands. During the IRT-affaire in the nineties in the Netherlands, Ministers had resigned and high police officials were dismissed because citizen infiltrators amongst others had been deployed. The Netherlands has now regulated the use of this kind of undercover techniques by law, but the deployment of citizen infiltrators is undesired. In certain cases, it is also prohibited. These techniques are not regulated on Aruba yet via the so-called BOB-law.

Nevertheless, the Aruban Justice has deployed citizens for infiltration as appears from the court case on which this newspaper had already reported earlier this week. In this case, the judge had declared the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible and the suspected citizen was released. The judge stated that Justice had namely made serious tracking mistakes, as the citizen had assumed the role of infiltrator with knowledge of the Criminal Information Service (CID).

Counterfeit dollars
Both the OM and CID continue to deny they deploy citizens as infiltrators. However, during the session (behind closed doors) one admitted that the citizen had received 40,000 dollars to arrange a drug deal with Columbians. This had occurred in 2006. A co-worker form the CID had namely declared before the judge last year that this money had indeed been handed to the citizen. However, the drug deal did not go through because the Columbians had already sold the drugs. The citizen had then returned the money to the CID, whereby the latter informed him that it had regarded counterfeit dollars. The citizen himself declared the CID had not informed him beforehand of such.

From the statement of that same CID co-worker, it furthermore appears that this person had also ordered the citizen in question to obtain information on persons involved with criminal organizations. Also from this, it appears that the citizen in question was no longer an informant, but an infiltrator. After all, an informant is someone who gives information to Justice voluntarily, without an order to do so. Moreover, an informant may not act against the law.

Justice thus persists – also after the judge’s verdict and the seven sessions in which the court case was handled – that the citizen in question was not an infiltrator. Moreover, the OM will appeal to a higher court. According to field officer Peter Blanken, the story of this citizen “is absolutely not correct’. In an interview with the Amigoe this past week, he said that the OM had lost the case in first instance because the ‘information provision to the judge’ had possibly been insufficient.

Life in danger
For that matter, legislation – that should make the use of citizen infiltrators on Aruba possible – is still being drawn up. According to Blanken, the lack of this legislation is only a ‘formal’ matter because the Aruban Attorney General already issued a guideline. “Everything is actually already arranged. Moreover, what we do is already common practice in the Netherlands. As purist, one could say that such is not regulated by law, but the fact is that it is regulated.”

However, the citizen infiltrator states he fears for his life because his identity has meanwhile been leaked due to negligent action from the police and the OM. Due to this, the criminal circuit has threatened him several times.

For that matter, this citizen is not the only one who was used as infiltrator. In a different recent court case, another person also declared to have been a citizen infiltrator for the CID. Also she states Justice does not protect her identity and she fears for her life. According to both citizens, who had no police record before the court cases, Justice is trying to conceal in all kinds of ways that they most certainly were deployed to expose criminals. Thus subsequently leaving them to fend for themselves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 10, 2010, 12:25:49 AM
Thanks Texasmom
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 12:57:54 AM
Thanks Texasmom
 ::monkeydust::

yw SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 01:19:20 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

8/7/2010 Bondia Page 3

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/06/aruban-justice-6-years-is-the-punishment-in-aruba-for-the-mutilation-and-burning-of-pit-bulls-body/

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Amigoe, May 6, 2007: Six years for mutilation of body 

ORANJESTAD – In the court of appeals, the joint Court of Justice convicted Sijgmund Heyliger (37) to six years imprisonment.  Heyliger appealed his five-year imprisonment verdict for his involvement in the mutilation and burning of Dinesh Djoegan’s body, too high.  The attorney general has demanded 7 years. 

The heavy mutilated body of Djoegan’s was found near the Guadirikiri cave in April of last year.  At first, the police thought that he was murdered, but investigation revealed that the 25-year old Djoegan died from overdoses of drugs.     

Michael Levenstone, Kim Prins and her husband Heyliger, all three also involved with drugs, decided to make the body disappear.  In December of last year, the Court of First Instance imposed light punishments: 2.5 years imprisonment for Prins (the OM demanded 5) and 2.5 years for Levenstone (OM demanded 6).  Both accepted their punishment.  While the OM had demanded 8 years for Heyliger, he was sentenced to 5, and he appealed this.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 01:31:42 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5857&Itemid=1

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Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew bring yesterday morning gaol at bonaire

saturday, 07 august 2010

oranjestad – below ; escolta by arestatie team, alex mathew y michael levenstone owing to wordo bring edificio by corte caminda they owing to present fast fiscal y after judge comisario. manner is conoci, ordinarily fiscal is prolonga the detencion cu 8 day y judge comisario only is evalua if the detencion did take lugar corecto y the prolongacion is wordo honor.

do not confia mathew close at aruba

sinembargo, yesterday had one desaroyo not accustomed. is so cu the fiscal encarga cu the caso, owing to present serca judge comisario cu one peticion before not allow alex mathew remain close neither at wardanan by police y niether in kia at aruba but before mand’e in gaol at bonaire.
investigacion cu redactor by casonan by corte owing to haci is indicate cu fiscal her preocupacion is cu alex mathew have quite amistad cu quite agent by police y also quite by the cuidadornan by preso. besides fiscal is considera alex mathew one person extremely dangerous. is just pesey owing to haci usage by arestatie team not only before come into foxy lady but also before bring mathew y levenstone corte.

escolta by arestatie team

redactor by casonan by corte can owing to compronde cu miembronan by arestatie team owing to haci usage by two vehiculo caminda they had tanto levenstone because mathew cu cara tapa, hands geboei. the miembronan by arestatie team had they helmnan dress y caranan tapa. this is the procedura normal cu miembronan by arestatie team is bring, hour is deal by personanan cu is wordo considera dangerous. tanto mathew because levenstone is conoci by police y they owing to happen enough year close in kia before delitonan earnest cu they owing to haci.

mathew close at bonaire

is so cu yesterday morning self, judge comisario owing to honor the peticion by fiscal y miembronan by arestatie team owing to percura before bring alex mathew aeropuerto y after hib’e bonaire, caminda past owing to wordo bring at the gaol. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 02:09:06 AM
Maybe the L. de Andrade?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000568790976&ref=sgm

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 02:22:04 AM

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We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 10, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
Maybe the L. de Andrade?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000568790976&ref=sgm

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 05:55:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76435.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Mathew will return to Aruba"

August 10, 2010, 13:11 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The new lawyer Alex Mathew, Edwin Duijneveld, truss lawsuit against the Public Prosecutor (OM). He wants his client, who is suspected of trafficking, is brought back to Aruba.

The prosecution wanted nothing to say about this morning the interim, said a spokesman at the newspaper. "That's the lawyer. But it is a possibility that is always open for suspects. "
Because the suspect known as "aggressive to Aruban authorities' and numerous contacts with the police and prison guards of KIA, flew over the OM Mathew precaution to Bonaire. Since he is in the House of Detention. He must soon for the judge appear on any extension of the remand to decide. This is the suspect in any case back to Aruba, according to the OM.

Duijneveld Sunday brought a visit to Mathews in the House of Detention on Bonaire. He then spoke with his client about the case. Duijneveld does not understand why Mathew has been to Bonaire. "In a small society like that of Aruba has almost everyone has one or a few friends at the police. It is also not matter, work is work. "The lawyer sees no reason to Mathews on Bonaire prisoner must comply with and wants the court to compel the OM Mathew to get back to Aruba.

Mathew is currently in custody on suspicion of human beings and the threat. The owner of Foxy Lady was arrested on August 5 in a raid at his strip club in San Nicolas. During this joint action of the OM, the Recherche Cooperation Team (RST) and the Arrest Team (AT) were raided at the nightclub, offices and homes. Also, several items have been taken, including Mathew's car. The case was months ago to come rolling through signals from the National Police Agency in the Netherlands. The coordination center has Trafficking from Ukraine have been reported on the working conditions of employees of the strip club.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 06:15:18 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20700-dolfi-richardson-polisnan-no-ta-corupto.html

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Dolfi Richardson: Polisnan NO ta corupto      

Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:27
 
 
E forma con Ministerio Publico a saca e noticia y e forma con algun corant a interpreta esaki a cay den masha mal tera na Polis. Ta referi na e motibo cu Ministerio Publico a duna pa transporta e sospechoso Alexander Mathew pa Boneiro. A bisa cu e tin mucho relacion cu Polis y cu personal di KIA y no ta confia pa laga nan mes atende cune. Ta un argumento cu ta habri caminda pa hopi speculacion riba integridad di Cuerpo Policial.
Comisario Mr. Dolfi Richardson ta Alto Comisario suplente y algun siman pasa Conseho di Minister a dicidi cu e lo bira e siguiente Alto Comisario, aunke esaki no a sosode den forma oficial ainda. Awe el a cuminsa traha atrobe despues di algun dia di reunion na St. Maarten. Apenas el a yega Aruba cu el a bin topa cu un cantidad di Polis disgusta pa e forma con Ministerio Publico y corantnan a tilda Polisnan di lo ta bebe pornada of di tin un relacion mucho estrecho cu e sospechoso di husticia Mathew. "Polisnan no ta corupto", asina Alto Comisario Interino Dolfi Richardson a duna di conoce un rato pasa na su salida for di Warda di Polis di Noord. El a bisa di no por comenta riba e motibonan cu Ministerio Publico a duna pa transporta Mathew pasobra e no conoce e caso y no por duna comentario riba casonan andando tampoco. "Locual si mi por bisa ta cu no por generalisa. Nos tin un Cuerpo integro y berdad tin trabounan pa haci pa mehore pero nos ta haciendo tur esaki tambe. Pero mi kier pidi media pa ta mas balansa den dunamento di noticia riba nos polisnan", asina e criminologo cu awor ta encabesa nos Cuerpo di Polis a pidi. Segun mr. Dolfi Richardson, e tin encabesa un cuerpo di cual e ta orguyoso di dje y ta dispuesto pa sigui traha duro pa mehora e imagen mas ainda. Riba e critica cu e polis encuestion tabata traha como security guard pa e sospechoso Mathew, el a prefera di no comenta pasobra e no por papia nada riba e caso. Pa loke ta polisnan trahando como security guard den nan tempo liber, el a anuncia cu a caba di instala un task force cu lo revisa e leynan, e maneho di mando policial, tene cuenta cu e realidad di awendia y lo duna conseho riba cua trabounan si y cua trabounan un polis lo no por eherce banda di su funcion policial.

Papiamentu translation:

dolfi richardson: polisnan do not corupto

tuesday, 10 august 2010 15:27

the form con ministerio publico owing to saca the news y the form con some corant owing to interpreta this owing to cay in very bad earth at police. is referi at the motibo cu ministerio publico owing to give before transporta the sospechoso alexander mathew before boneiro. owing to say cu the have mucho relacion cu police y cu personal by kia y do not confia before allow they self atende cune. is one argument cu is open caminda before quite speculacion on integridad by cuerpo policial. comisario mr. dolfi richardson is alto comisario suplente y some week happen conseho by minister owing to dicidi cu the will become the next alto comisario, although this not owing to sosode in form oficial still. today past owing to cuminsa work afresh after by some day by meeting at st. maarten. barely past owing to arrive aruba cu past owing to come encounter cu one cantidad by police disgusta for her form con ministerio publico y corantnan owing to tilda polisnan by will is drink pornada or by have one relacion mucho estrecho cu the sospechoso by husticia mathew. "polisnan do not corupto", so alto comisario interino dolfi richardson owing to give by conoce one rato happen at her exit for by keep by police by north. past owing to say by not can comenta on the motibonan cu ministerio publico owing to give before transporta mathew because the not conoce the caso y not can give comentario on casonan andando niether. "locual if my can say is cu not can generalisa. we have one cuerpo integro y berdad have trabounan before haci before mehore but we is haciendo all this also. but my be willing to ask media before is more equilibrium in dunamento by news on we polisnan", so the criminologo cu at present is encabesa we cuerpo by police owing to ask. according mr. dolfi richardson, the have encabesa one cuerpo by cual the is proud by dje y is dispuesto before follow work duro before mehora the imagen more still. on the critica cu the police encuestion was work because security guard for her sospechoso mathew, past owing to prefera by not comenta because the not can talk nothing on the caso. before thing is polisnan trahando because security guard in they time pound, past owing to anuncia cu owing to come to anend by instala one task force cu will revisa the leynan, the maneho by command policial, hang on to cuenta cu the realidad by awendia y will give conseho on cua trabounan if y cua trabounan one police will not can eherce near by her funcion policial.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 07:24:44 PM
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Report from the Ukraine on human trafficking

9 Aug, 2010, 08:10 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — A report from ‘the Ukraine corner’ on strip club Foxy Lady with the Coordination Point Human Trafficking from the Corps National Police Services (KLPD) in the Netherlands has also led to the apprehension of exploiter Alex Mathew.

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The house of detention on Bonaire, where Mathew is currently held in custody.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) said this before this newspaper on being asked this morning. “We received indication from the Netherlands that Foxy Lady was supposedly involved with human trafficking”, said the Officer of Justice entrusted with this case. According to the Officer, there were no direct reports on Aruba. However, there were indirect indications the nightclub is indeed involved with human trafficking. From investigation, it further appeared that several police officers and KIA co-workers held ‘friendly contacts’ with Mathew. Nothing is known yet on the nature of these contacts. However, the OM wishes to emphasize there are ‘no indications for corruption’. “It is up to the officers or prison guards with whom they strike up friendships in their own time,” says the case-officer. Even though it only regards ‘a sideline’, the OM does want to investigate the nature of these contacts. As a precautionary measure and to avoid problems, Mathew was flown to Bonaire where he is currently detained, pending the further course of the investigation – not only because of the ‘friendly contacts’ but also due to Mathew’s aggressive previous history. He was convicted of committing violence offences in the past, and had inflicted grievous bodily harm on the interim KIA-director Ben King in 2001. “He evidently has problems with Aruban authorities who take unfavorable decisions concerning him”, according to Officer Jaap Zondervan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 10, 2010, 07:35:38 PM
Well of course, the police are not corrupt.  It is not their fault that Aruba does not legislate any laws.  How can you be corrupt if no one can break a non existent law?? If the Netherlands hadn't heard the complaint, there would be no arrest.  Nobody on the island noticed any problem. 

One more thing, I can not get over the fact that an island tourist destination does not have lifeguards.  The reason....they might be liable if they do something wrong?  It is better to let the tourist die, on their own, then to attempt resuscitation? Time is everything!!!  Please hold on to your children...and 83 yr. olds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4077&offId=50&offDate=2010-8

Papiamentu translation:

5 day happen | fecha: 05/08/2010 | horario: 07:35

imagennan by the razzia at one office at palm beach where owing to confisca several proof in one esfuerzo combina, owing to haci several entrance hudicial all this relaciona cu esclavitud modern y traficacion by person ministerio publico self does not give mucho informacion by the accion combina by diahuebs morning, cu did take lugar rond aruba. because the investigacion do not termina, but t’e instant owing to arrive, before haci some entrance hudicial, before attain more proof contra by thing is being investiga by thing can being denomina because esclavitud modern y traficacion by person. is for by some time come to anend, ministerio publico is haciendo one investigacion riguroso y pisa by actividadnan cu is take lugar the.o. in foxy lady nightclub at san nicolas. esnan cu is frecuenta san nicolas y likes visit the establecimento here, is good at altitude cu in foxy lady nightclub, fuera by is dedica at prostitucion, is allow the damanan y even man, dance on bar, practicamente sunu y have nothing even sunu, before satisface they clientela. is resultando at present, cu apparently the personanan here is being drugs before haci actonan cu can is they self do not consciente by thing they're haciendo. if they deny, they will is wordo beat y ordena before haci thing the “amonan” be willing to. is being say, cu have even practica by sex publico in the business, among man cu muher, but also by muher cu muher, y man cu man, haciendo usage by various artefacto cu is being using in type by practicanan here, before satisface they respectivo partner. the practicanan here owing to arrive at ear by ministerio publico y tumando at consideracion cu is sospecha even cu have police envolvi, owing to allow rst y landsrecherche before haci the investigacion y not owing to laydown in hand by cuerpo by recherche, p’e investigacion not lick. diahuebs in first oranan by madruga, owing to cuminsa at haci one entrance hudicial at foxy lady at san nicolas, where we can owing to see presencia by miembronan by ministerio publico, together cu personal by another departamentonan by husticia, the.o. by douane cu one cacho before give off an odour drugs, etc., they owing to remain till in oranan by afternoon is investiga. hour cu they owing to come to anend, they owing to claba the portanan close, by manner cu neither person can come into before “tapa” more proof cu can have. owing to come into in one cas at camay, north, y also one office at palm beach. although for by ministerio publico, they does not give mucho informacion, we know cu owing to detene assure the.a.a.m. y her lady, because also m.l. kendenan is operadornan by foxy lady nightclub y is propietarionan by the business. have more person cu owing to remain deteni, the.o. one police by surname s. cu is work because security come across, but manner menciona, we not can attain confirmacion by om still. the.a.a.m. do not one person desconoci, because in pasado the was encarcela, y owing to play one cantidad by comedia, till owing to bring her problem internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local by abuse by derecho human. very yamativo by the caso here is, cu day 2 by april 2009, was first minister by the time ey, nel oduber owing to haci aperture by foxy lady. update comunicado by ministerio publico: huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel bao guia by ministerio publico by aruba, seccion by crimen organiza by cuerpo policial by aruba y recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) owing to investiga one organizacion criminal cu is wordo sospecha by mensenhandel. the investigacion here owing to start some time happen. after by some moon by investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan did take lugar at several locacion on diahuebs 5 by august 2010. the investigacion was dirigi on the club nocturno foxy lady at san nicolas. the club nocturno here owing to wordo listra on diahuebs 5 by august. did take coin, cosnan y one car in beslag. all the time owing to detene cuatro sospechoso parent by edad. do not exclui more detencion. the investigacion by mensenhandel will follow y will is dirigi on the formanan by extorsion by bailarinanan in the club provided that cuestion. the investigacion owing to cuminza relaciona cu kehonan earnest tocante the circumstancianan by trabao by the bailarinanan. besides will take lugar one investigacion financiero. combati the delito mensenhandel is one prioridad by ministerio publico y is peace in the maneho regional cu ministerio publico by aruba y the another paisnan in kingdom dutch is bring conhuntamente.

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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JUNE 2004 under serial number 31992.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SEXTASY
 
Business address   PALM BEACH 33-B, UNIT 5, NOORD
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   SEXTASY
Date of commencement   1 AUGUST 2004
    
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

BERNADINA, LYNELL GODFRIED;
Born in   ARUBA on 9 SEPTEMBER 1971
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   18 JUNE 2004
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A) DE KLEINHANDEL IN- EN HET VERHUREN VAN VIDEO FILMS, EN DVD'S;
B) DE KLEINHANDEL IN POSTKAARTEN, TIJDSCHRIFTEN, CADEAU-ARTIKELEN, LINGERIE, SPORTKLEDING EN NEPARTIKELEN;
C) HET BEZORGEN AAN HUIS VAN DE ONDER PUNT A EN B GENOEMDE ARTIKELEN, VOOR PERSONEN VAN 18 JAAR EN OUDER.

Google translation:

A) THE HOUSES IN AND LET THE FILMS OF VIDEO AND DVD'S;
B) THE POSTCARDS IN RETAIL, MAGAZINES, gifts, lingerie, sportswear and NEPARTIKELEN;
C) THE HOUSE OF THE DELIVERY OF UNDER ITEM LISTED ITEMS A AND B, FOR PERSONS OF 18 YEARS AND OLDER.

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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 30 JANUARY 2006 under serial number 34420.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
SEXTASY II
 
Business address   BERNARDSTRAAT 119, 2DE VERDIEPING, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   SEXTASY II
Date of commencement   1 MARCH 2006
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 1 JUNE 2009
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

BERNADINA, LYNELL GODFRIED;
Born in   ARUBA on 9 SEPTEMBER 1971
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   30 JANUARY 2006
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A) DE KLEINHANDEL IN- EN HET VERHUREN VAN VIDEO FILMS, EN DVD'S;
B) DE KLEINHANDEL IN POSTKAARTEN, TIJDSCHRIFTEN, CADEAU-ARTIKELEN, LINGERIE, SPORTKLEDING EN NEPARTIKELEN;
C) HET BEZORGEN AAN HUIS VAN DE ONDER PUNT A EN B GENOEMDE ARTIKELEN, VOOR PERSONEN VAN 18 JAAR EN OUDER.

Google translation:

A) THE HOUSES IN AND LET THE FILMS OF VIDEO AND DVD'S;
B) THE POSTCARDS IN RETAIL, MAGAZINES, gifts, lingerie, sportswear and NEPARTIKELEN;
C) THE HOUSE OF THE DELIVERY OF UNDER ITEM LISTED ITEMS A AND B, FOR PERSONS OF 18 YEARS AND OLDER.
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 08:24:17 PM
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=39115

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Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 25 JUNE 2008 under serial number 37583.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
THE FOXY LADY
 
Business address   CAYA CAPT. ROBERT RODGER 37, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   THE FOXY LADY
Date of commencement   1 AUGUST 2008
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 21 OCTOBER 2009
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

DEN BOEF, JOHN EDSON;
Born in   ARUBA on 28 JUNE 1977
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   25 JUNE 2008
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KOFFIEHUISRESTAURANT

Google translation:

Operating a coffeehouse RESTAURANT

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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 4 JULY 2008 under serial number 37626.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
FOXY LADY
 
Business address   CAYA CAPT. ROBERT RODGER 37-39, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   MATHEW BAR, ENTERTAINMENT & MORE N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   1 JULY 2008
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

DEN BOEF, JOHN EDSON;
Born in   ARUBA on 28 JUNE 1977
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   1 JULY 2008
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KOFFIEHUISRESTAURANT;
2. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN CATERINGBEDRIJF;
3. HET ORGANISEREN VAN SHOWS, BIJEENKOMSTEN EN ANDERE GELEGENHEDEN.

Google translation:

1. Operating a coffeehouse RESTAURANT;
2. THE EXERCISE OF A CATERING COMPANY;
3. ORGANIZING FOR SHOWS, MEETINGS AND OTHER OCCASIONS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 09:57:23 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4142&offId=0

17 minuut pasa | Fecha: 10/08/2010 | Horario: 21:32

HOMBER DI 60 AÑA A SER HAYA SIN BIDA NA UN CAS NA CURA CABAY AKI TA TRATA DI UN CRIMEN


Diamars anochi a drenta informe di un caso unda a haya un hende morto den cas na

Cura Cabay, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a bin

compronde cu un dama ora ela yega cas a bin haya e victima benta abao y a

solicita presencia di ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di ambulans a bin ripara cu

e victima no ta duna señal di bida. A bati alarma pa e caso aki y a notifica

tur instancia concerni. POlis ta investigando ainda e caso aki. Informacionnan

extra-oficial ta indica cu aki ta trata di J.D. nos lo sigui informa



Papiamentu translation:

17 minuut happen | fecha: 10/08/2010 | horario: 21:32

man by 60 aÑa owing to being attain without life at one cas at cura cabay here is deal by one crimen

tuesday at night owing to come into informe by one caso where owing to attain one dead in cas at cura cabay, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol owing to come compronde cu one lady hour ela arrive cas owing to come attain the victima throw abao y owing to solicita presencia by ambulance at the sitio. at arrival by ambulance owing to come ripara cu the victima do not give sign by life. owing to beat alarma for her caso here y owing to notifica all instancia concerni. police is investigando still the caso here. informacionnan extra-oficial is indica cu here is deal by j.d. we will follow informa

Is that Dennis Jacobs at the scene?

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 10:03:17 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20717-posibel-caso-di-tiramento-na-cura-cabay.html

Papiamentu translation:

crimen earnest is cause dead by man by edad at cura cabay

tuesday, 10 august 2010 20:28

algo happen by 8or by at night police is attain notificacion cu will have to have one dead at cura cabai # 102. at arrival enberdad is encounter cu one man cu do not give sign by life y before 8:45pm dr. van der linden owing to constata dead by the victima. according police, have all indicacion cu is deal by one caso by crimen, but does not give confirmacion if is deal here by one tiramento,aunke quite is specula cu is esey owing to sosode. identidad by the victima niether do not conoci still, debi cu the person cu owing to hay'e conoc'e before her name by carinjo alone. police at once owing to form one team by investigador before investiga the caso here cu is wordo cataloga because one crimen pisa.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.arubayp.com%2FAruba%2FResidential%2FE%2Fbook&ei=KgRiTNzfNcH-8Aa97ICVCg&usg=AFQjCNF1PVDRP9o1HZUr6jZR5Bwr2L5JlQ

Aruba
Dorbeck, J Cura Cabai 102 584-7079. .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 10:14:45 PM

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21936

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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 6 JUNE 1997 under serial number 21975.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
JOHAN TOOL & EQUIPMENT RENTAL
 
Business address   CURA CABAI 102, SAVANETA
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   JOHAN TOOL & EQUIPMENT RENTAL
Date of commencement   9 APRIL 1997
    
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

DORBECK, JOHAN WILLIAM;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, SINT-EUSTATIUS on 4 JUNE 1943
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   6 JUNE 1997
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET VERHUREN VAN GEREEDSCHAPPEN VOOR CONSTRUCTIE-WERKZAAMHEDEN.

Google translation:

THE HIRING OF TOOLS FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 10:19:53 PM
If my math is right, the owner of that business would be 67 years old.

The Awe24 article says 60 years old, so maybe it's not him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 10:28:46 PM
If my math is right, the owner of that business would be 67 years old.

The Awe24 article says 60 years old, so maybe it's not him.

They've updated the article now.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4142&offId=0

1 hora pasa | Fecha: 10/08/2010 | Horario: 20:52

HOMBER DI 67 AÑA A SER HAYA SIN BIDA NA UN CAS NA CURA CABAY AKI TA TRATA DI UN CRIMEN


Diamars anochi a drenta informe di un caso unda a haya un hende morto den cas na

Cura Cabay 102, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a bin

compronde cu un dama ora ela yega cas a bin haya e victima benta abao y a

solicita presencia di ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di ambulans a bin ripara cu

e victima no ta duna señal di bida. A bati alarma pa e caso aki y a notifica

tur instancia concerni. POlis ta investigando ainda e caso aki. Informacionnan extra-oficial ta indica cu aki ta trata di Johan W. Dorbeck naci na St Eustatius di 67 anja di edad nos lo sigui informa.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2010, 11:29:28 PM
The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 184/185
- The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurrican Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


b]Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142:[/b]  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 10, 2010, 11:33:18 PM
We Never Stood a Chance!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:
  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's verry, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.

I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 12:16:13 AM
 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

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Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 11, 2010, 12:26:26 AM
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
   
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 11, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 01:34:35 AM
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
   
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 



I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 01:51:30 AM
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
   
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 



I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDance::

I hope they'll keep digging!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 02:53:55 AM

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We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 11, 2010, 09:45:11 AM
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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
   
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 



I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

I agree Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDance::

I hope they'll keep digging!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyRoll::

 

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
What is the connection between "Me and Mr. Jones" and a previous documentary called a "crockumentary" and a vicious attack on the Holloway family?


Comments

charlierat - 7:19 AM 0 Votes
From the article: "On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him..." Now wait just a minute. On one side, defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban suthorities who consider him to be a prime suspect!!!??? Wouldn't those two groups be on opposite sides? Since I post regularly at the refugeesunleashed web site that you mis-quoted in your article, and since I have steadfastly defended the integrity of the investigation on Aruba, all the while suspecting that van der Sloot was, in fact, involved in Natalee's disappearance, and since I have never ever, even once, bashed Natalee Holloway on any internet forum, I take great umbrage at your attempt to lump me into the same (very small) group of posters that still defend Joran van der Sloot.

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opeenstokje - 6:17 AM 0 Votes
 Firstly: "How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?" NONE!! Mind my words. Secondly, before publishing your innuendo, rumors and speculation maybe it is to be recommended to re-read and check your copy/pasted qoutes first. Correct quotes: Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. Imladris replied: If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs. Thank you.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 11, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
We Never Stood a Chance!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:
  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's verry, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.

I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.



Do we have a name address and photo of the evil American traitor U.S. consul ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 11, 2010, 10:01:47 AM
Edward,

Jean Akers....I'd have to find her photo but it was posted several times. She was transferred to Cambodia, but at the moment, I am not sure if she's still there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 11, 2010, 10:03:00 AM
Hump Day

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/222.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 11, 2010, 10:52:42 AM
Edward,

Jean Akers....I'd have to find her photo but it was posted several times. She was transferred to Cambodia, but at the moment, I am not sure if she's still there.

Thank You

I know we have seen her before but I never saved the photo..  I just think all of our readers need to see her and know her as a traitor to the American people.. Move her to Cambodia ?? How perfect is that ? Right next door to Thiland and Joran and his worthless stand still friends in college, who traveled to Cambodia to party and do drugs.
 A government that to this day still has no missing persons data base and a government who sponsored the "killing fields" from which the movie was made, and who murdered a million or more people under the guise of communisim.
Yep,, she is right at home. ::MonkeyMad::
Maybe... "Something bad will happen" as Deepak said
Maybe she will get caught up in some government take over and nobody in America will come rescue her or she will catch junglerot in the Cambodia jungle trying to escape for her worthless life where she is right at home.
Ofcourse somebody in the united states government sponsors and supports her..
The evil never stops.. but KARMA happens to evil people and good will prevail when good people seek fairness truth and justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 11, 2010, 01:31:18 PM
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx

Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

Last Update: 11:05 pm 

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/e/9/0/e90dca8f-d798-447f-a44b-f2e5a06fbbb6/Story.jpg)
   
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao?  Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?

Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.

The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.

Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies."  The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.

But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?

The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.

And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.

There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.

Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:

From a site called Refugees Unleashed: 

Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?

Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.

Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:

Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.

And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:

In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.

So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?

CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting.  We've also attempted to reach Gielen.  We'll keep you posted.
 


Most important and what I eluded to in an earlier post this week, thereby making Aruba and its lying liars, i.e., government, responsible for Stephany's murder. 

from the article:  On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 11, 2010, 06:58:15 PM
Edward,

Jean Akers....I'd have to find her photo but it was posted several times. She was transferred to Cambodia, but at the moment, I am not sure if she's still there.

Thank You

I know we have seen her before but I never saved the photo..  I just think all of our readers need to see her and know her as a traitor to the American people.. Move her to Cambodia ?? How perfect is that ? Right next door to Thiland and Joran and his worthless stand still friends in college, who traveled to Cambodia to party and do drugs.
 A government that to this day still has no missing persons data base and a government who sponsored the "killing fields" from which the movie was made, and who murdered a million or more people under the guise of communisim.
Yep,, she is right at home. ::MonkeyMad::
Maybe... "Something bad will happen" as Deepak said
Maybe she will get caught up in some government take over and nobody in America will come rescue her or she will catch junglerot in the Cambodia jungle trying to escape for her worthless life where she is right at home.
Ofcourse somebody in the united states government sponsors and supports her..
The evil never stops.. but KARMA happens to evil people and good will prevail when good people seek fairness truth and justice.

(http://cambodia.usembassy.gov/uploads/vc/wP/vcwPrZ4jRxAo4PaD9AOQaw/visa_scams.jpg)

Jean Akers
This is the gal who sided with Paulus Van Dersloot and supported Joran VanDersloot against Beth Twitty Natalee Holloways mother.
Last known location was Cambodia hiding under a rock.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 11, 2010, 07:37:14 PM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::  I love it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 09:17:20 PM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::  I love it!


I'm hoping more is coming!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 11, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::  I love it!


I'm hoping more is coming!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
I particularly liked that the reporter used our term "crockumentary"!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
Who is the person posting as "Unreals" at RU?  Says they are writing a book and Eric Williams
was not with the posse at the VDS residence.  I feel sure it is someone who has been around
for a while using another nic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 10:17:53 PM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::  I love it!


I'm hoping more is coming!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
I particularly liked that the reporter used our term "crockumentary"!   ::MonkeyDance::

That was one of my favorite parts too!    ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
TM, got any news for us tonight? ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 11:17:11 PM


From CBS 42 Birmingham COMMENTS  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments




Rose7 - 7:56 PM 0 Votes Report User PS: CBS, just check these people's facebooks and geneology trees. Both this ("new") film and the previous documentary are wound together like a mess of snakes. There's likely a little bit of criminal 'defense' info thrown in there as well. This internet is a wonderful thing - even someone like me could find the connections; business as well as familia. Thank you CBS!
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Rose7 - 7:43 PM 0 Votes Report User Way to go CBS!! Just a little investigation and you'll find the rot in this ("new"?) film. The AHATA has a mission, and they are trying to do their job - allbeit, in a corrupt and dishonest culture. Just wait. In the search for the truth of Joran's involvement, our FBI will be villians as duplitious as the Holloways and Twittys themselves! "Gosh, if it hadn't been for that ---- Natalee, we could have charged and tried Joran already!" The truth? Well, this latest "film" is a rehash of the same bitter slander on the MB kids, Natalee, her family ... and now, the F B I; bought and paid for and sponsored by AHATA and the Island of Aruba. People, avoid Aruba as if your life depended on it, because it does! (MHO)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 11, 2010, 11:20:19 PM
GOD BLESS CBS42 BIRMINGHAM

 ::MonkeyAngel::

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 11, 2010, 11:25:19 PM
NOW THAT'S GOOD STUFF! ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::  I love it!


I'm hoping more is coming!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::
I particularly liked that the reporter used our term "crockumentary"!   ::MonkeyDance::

That was one of my favorite parts too!    ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyCool::

I know that reporter has great sources! ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 11:31:20 PM
TM, got any news for us tonight? ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShovel::

I haven't even had a chance to get to the news today...but I'm working on something to post!   ::MonkeyWink::








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 11:34:35 PM
TM, got any news for us tonight? ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShovel::

I haven't even had a chance to get to the news today...but I'm working on something to post!   ::MonkeyWink::












I am waiting.....but I am tapping my foot!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 11, 2010, 11:37:53 PM


From CBS 42 Birmingham COMMENTS  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments




Rose7 - 7:56 PM 0 Votes Report User PS: CBS, just check these people's facebooks and geneology trees. Both this ("new") film and the previous documentary are wound together like a mess of snakes. There's likely a little bit of criminal 'defense' info thrown in there as well. This internet is a wonderful thing - even someone like me could find the connections; business as well as familia. Thank you CBS!
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Rose7 - 7:43 PM 0 Votes Report User Way to go CBS!! Just a little investigation and you'll find the rot in this ("new"?) film. The AHATA has a mission, and they are trying to do their job - allbeit, in a corrupt and dishonest culture. Just wait. In the search for the truth of Joran's involvement, our FBI will be villians as duplitious as the Holloways and Twittys themselves! "Gosh, if it hadn't been for that ---- Natalee, we could have charged and tried Joran already!" The truth? Well, this latest "film" is a rehash of the same bitter slander on the MB kids, Natalee, her family ... and now, the F B I; bought and paid for and sponsored by AHATA and the Island of Aruba. People, avoid Aruba as if your life depended on it, because it does! (MHO)

 ::MonkeyCool::   I was just back there revisiting the comments. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 11, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
TM, got any news for us tonight? ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShovel::

I haven't even had a chance to get to the news today...but I'm working on something to post!   ::MonkeyWink::












I am waiting.....but I am tapping my foot!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I can hear it up here in the NE, Magnolia!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 11:39:55 PM


From CBS 42 Birmingham COMMENTS  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments




Rose7 - 7:56 PM 0 Votes Report User PS: CBS, just check these people's facebooks and geneology trees. Both this ("new") film and the previous documentary are wound together like a mess of snakes. There's likely a little bit of criminal 'defense' info thrown in there as well. This internet is a wonderful thing - even someone like me could find the connections; business as well as familia. Thank you CBS!
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Rose7 - 7:43 PM 0 Votes Report User Way to go CBS!! Just a little investigation and you'll find the rot in this ("new"?) film. The AHATA has a mission, and they are trying to do their job - allbeit, in a corrupt and dishonest culture. Just wait. In the search for the truth of Joran's involvement, our FBI will be villians as duplitious as the Holloways and Twittys themselves! "Gosh, if it hadn't been for that ---- Natalee, we could have charged and tried Joran already!" The truth? Well, this latest "film" is a rehash of the same bitter slander on the MB kids, Natalee, her family ... and now, the F B I; bought and paid for and sponsored by AHATA and the Island of Aruba. People, avoid Aruba as if your life depended on it, because it does! (MHO)

 ::MonkeyCool::   I was just back there revisiting the comments. 

That Rose sounds like someone we might know.  I loved it! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 11, 2010, 11:43:42 PM


From CBS 42 Birmingham COMMENTS  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments




Rose7 - 7:56 PM 0 Votes Report User PS: CBS, just check these people's facebooks and geneology trees. Both this ("new") film and the previous documentary are wound together like a mess of snakes. There's likely a little bit of criminal 'defense' info thrown in there as well. This internet is a wonderful thing - even someone like me could find the connections; business as well as familia. Thank you CBS!
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Rose7 - 7:43 PM 0 Votes Report User Way to go CBS!! Just a little investigation and you'll find the rot in this ("new"?) film. The AHATA has a mission, and they are trying to do their job - allbeit, in a corrupt and dishonest culture. Just wait. In the search for the truth of Joran's involvement, our FBI will be villians as duplitious as the Holloways and Twittys themselves! "Gosh, if it hadn't been for that ---- Natalee, we could have charged and tried Joran already!" The truth? Well, this latest "film" is a rehash of the same bitter slander on the MB kids, Natalee, her family ... and now, the F B I; bought and paid for and sponsored by AHATA and the Island of Aruba. People, avoid Aruba as if your life depended on it, because it does! (MHO)

 ::MonkeyCool::   I was just back there revisiting the comments. 

That Rose sounds like someone we might know.  I loved it! ::MonkeyDance::

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 11:47:09 PM


 Both this ("new") film and the previous documentary are wound together like a mess of snakes

That line is priceless. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 12:14:47 AM
I think this is all I wanted to post...that tapping noise was making me nervous...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(Keep in mind that the Geni.com information was posted by Frederik Ankone, Renee Gielen's son from a different father than Dolph van Stapele, so any possible siblings of Dolph's by other mother(s) are not included.)

http://www.geni.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/ReneeGielen_GeniInfo08112010.jpg)

Renee Marie Louise Gielen
Location:   Netherlands Antilles
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Rene Gielen and Emilie Hustinx
Mother of Frederik Ankone, Dolph van Stapele and Maurits van Stapele
Sister of Charles Gielen and Caspar Gielen
Half sister of Louis Hustinx and Alphonse Hustinx
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapele_GeniProfile_081120102.jpg)

Dolph van Stapele
Immediate Family:   
Son of Matthijs van Stapele and Renee Gielen
Husband of Mariska Meulendijk
Father of Loek van Stapele and Sem van Stapele
Brother of Maurits van Stapele
Half brother of Frederik Ankone
Added by:   Frederik Ankone on April 3, 2010
Managed by:   Frederik Ankone

http://www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapele_Facebook_081120104-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/MatthijsvanStapele_fatherofDolphvanStapele-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/MatthijsvanStapele_youngone_facebook_08112010.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapele_Facebook_081120101.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapele_Facebook_081120102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/RubyvanStapele_facebook_08112010.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 12:20:46 AM
I knew it...forgot one!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renee%20Gielen/DolphvanStapele_Facebook_081120103.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 12:30:45 AM
That is a lotta good stuff, TM.   Sorry if the tapping made you nervous. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 12, 2010, 12:36:11 AM
Keepthefaith, texasmom, Magnolia and 15 Guests ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 12, 2010, 12:40:03 AM
Me thinks Willemstad has been here many times,which one/ones remains to be seen!Monkeys are always up for chasing a rat! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 12:45:56 AM
That is a lotta good stuff, TM.   Sorry if the tapping made you nervous. ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Magnolia, and no worries at all... I'm a foot tapper too!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 01:15:22 AM
That is a lotta good stuff, TM.   Sorry if the tapping made you nervous. ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Magnolia, and no worries at all... I'm a foot tapper too!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyKiss::
Yes -- very good "confirming" info!!! I think the word is geting out!! I still say this "film" will be the D.O.A. laughing stock before it ever sees the light of day!! God bless the CBS 42 reporter!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 12, 2010, 01:37:39 AM
There was like 33 guest joining  myself and Wreck in the sports thread! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 01:53:43 AM
There was like 33 guest joining  myself and Wreck in the sports thread! ::MonkeyShocked::

Getting anxious!!  I am wearing my Ole Miss shirt today.  Tomorrow I will wear my Alabama one.
I am getting excited.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 03:38:10 AM

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We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 12, 2010, 08:11:26 AM
There was like 33 guest joining  myself and Wreck in the sports thread! ::MonkeyShocked::

Were you lookin' over your shoulder KTF?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Good morning  :sunny:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 08:58:51 AM
 
Atlantic magazine profiles man who helps TV bring you Natalee Holloway's story and other tabloid sagas
Published: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:58 AM     Updated: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 12:02 PM
 The Birmingham News
 
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If some of the vivid details about the disappearance in Aruba of  Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway and the life of chief suspect Joran van der Sloot came from TV or possibly a book, you can thank Larry Merchant, the Atlantic magazine reports.

In its September edition the magazine profiles Merchant in a story titled "The News Merchant." It says Merchant is variously known as a fixer, story broker or independent TV producer. His work is to match up key figures in often tabloid-style news stories with TV shows such as Dateline, Inside Edition and others. He's worked the Holloway saga several times including representing her father, Dave Holloway. He's also had his hand in the story of John Mark Karr, a man with Alabama ties who falsely claimed to be JonBenet Ramsey's killer, according to the magazine.   

Read more: The Natalee Holloway files

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/08/atlantic_magazine_profiles_man.html
 



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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 09:12:09 AM
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The News Merchant
Interested in booking Joran van der Sloot’s ex-girlfriend for the morning news? Want an exclusive? Got a little cash to spend? Larry Garrison’s the person to call, though most news networks won’t admit they call him. The inside story of how tabloid TV news is made, bought, and paid for—and its implications for the news industry and our society.

By Sheelah Kolhatkar

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Photo Illustration: Gluekit; Network photos: ABC, CNN, FOX, NBC; Photo of Larry Garrison: Courtesy Sean Garrison Photography 


“I don’t think you should go with CNN,” Larry Garrison says into his cell phone as he paces across a hotel lobby near his home in Westlake Village, California. “I’d like to team up with you.” He’s talking to John Muldowney, a 78-year-old retired propane inspector from Manheim, Pennsylvania, who thinks that he and his wife might have found Natalee Holloway’s remains while snorkeling off the coast of Aruba. The story involves blood and tragedy, but also the opportunity to go on television, and Garrison, who has one of the most unusual—and controversial—jobs in the TV business, exists to make that happen. “I want to make sure you don’t have your day of glory and then everyone forgets about you,” Garrison continues, his eyes gleaming. “I’ll be there for you.”

There is no single term that fully captures what Garrison does for a living, although it involves a lot of time spent cajoling people over the phone. He’s sometimes called a fixer, a story broker, or—his preference—an independent television producer and consultant, but all the titles mean the same thing: Garrison gets paid to bring tabloid stories to TV news programs. Missing toddlers, murdered coeds, septuplets, serial killers—an endless parade of freaks and victims is marched through the studio sets of Dateline NBC, 20/20, Good Morning America, Inside Edition, and countless other shows, all to satisfy viewers’ seemingly insatiable appetite for real-life tears and melodrama. Sometimes network bookers go out hunting for subjects themselves, armed with bouquets of flowers and boxes of tissues and the names of their star anchors (Diane Sawyer, Matt Lauer) as chits. In many cases, though, Garrison gets there first, locks up the rights to the person’s story, and becomes an unavoidable middleman in whatever transactions follow.

In addition to feeding what Garrison likes to call “Oh my God” stories to news networks, people like him serve another purpose: they make it easy for mainstream media outlets to pay for interviews while obscuring the fact that they do. The agent delivers the interview, and in return the network makes him a paid producer or consultant for that particular program; what he then does with the money—keep it or share it—is his own business. (For his part, Garrison tends to keep the whole fee, while sometimes promising to try to secure a book or movie deal for the grieving mother or accused murderer’s ex-girlfriend he is representing.) If the person has a diary or photo album to sell for on-air use, Garrison can help with that, too.

Garrison has been in the business in one form or another for decades, handling media, book, and movie deals for a host of people on the margins of dark celebrity: jurors in the Michael Jackson child-molestation case; a friend of Robert Blake’s dead wife; John Mark Karr, who falsely confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey. But he made his name working on the story of Holloway—the 18-year-old Birmingham, Alabama, blonde who went missing during a high-school class trip to Aruba in 2005, and became the apotheosis of a golden age of dead-white-girl television. Garrison teamed up with Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway, negotiating his TV appearances, speaking on his behalf, and co-authoring a best-selling book called Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise.

Five years later, the Holloway story continues to be a source of fascination, and Garrison is eager to persuade John Muldowney to work with him. Like sharks on the scent of anchovies, Nancy Grace and Fox News have also come calling, looking for airtime with the elderly couple who might have inadvertently discovered Holloway’s final resting place during their Royal Caribbean cruise vacation. “I did the news on this for five years, I wrote the book,” Garrison tells Muldowney. “I have people in Aruba who can look for the body. You didn’t give out the location, did you?” Pause. “I can put in a call to Dave Holloway.” A man passing by turns to stare. Garrison has electric-white teeth, a deep tan, and carefully styled brown hair. With his Prada sunglasses and silver neck chain, he looks like some former Hollywood player you should possibly recognize but don’t. The matching car, a white Mercedes convertible with leather seats and vanity plates (MOVIE TV), sits out front.

Garrison has not yet secured Muldowney as a client; the conversation is aimed first at assessing his credibility—all sorts of attention-seeking cranks, faux psychics, and nut jobs have claimed to have solved Natalee’s murder—and then at convincing Muldowney that he should trust him. Garrison’s trying to get answers to a few questions that might illuminate the couple’s motives: why did they wait six months before coming forward with their discovery? Have they notified the FBI about the underwater picture they took, so that it can investigate? Is their story marred by inconsistencies? While Garrison tries to figure out the truth, he continues with a gentle, but insistent, sell.

He tells Muldowney that he will look out for his interests and protect him from the rapacious tendencies of the press. His advice is geared toward maximizing the potential value of the story, including news, future book deals, movies, and television specials. Muldowney has already agreed to an interview with CNN the following day, which Garrison thinks is a mistake, and to an appearance on Nancy Grace, a show whose host Garrison says he finds too “sensationalist” to deal with. (“Until the day I die, I will never do Nancy Grace,” he repeatedly tells me.) After he hangs up the phone, Garrison puts in a call to a producer at ABC’s Good Morning America to see if he can goose any interest; he thinks that a sit-down interview on a network talk show would be more valuable—“classier”—than a three-minute sound bite on a cable program. He leaves the producer a message. The alleged skeleton is probably a piece of coral, or even a hoax, but the small possibility that the Muldowneys have actually found Holloway’s remains could translate into big dollars, and Garrison wants to be a part of the deal.

“In my gut intuition, I feel this may be it,” he tells me as we hop into the Mercedes and start speeding toward his house. “God works in funny ways.”

Tabloid television has been big business, of course, for well over a decade. Its rise was fueled by a number of factors, not least of which was the launch in 1980 of CNN, the first 24-hour news channel. The commodifying effect that cable had on TV, putting dozens or even hundreds of programs on equal footing, combined with sophisticated new methods of tracking viewers—allowing news producers to see, in real time, when people were tuning in, staying tuned, or clicking the remote to something else—led to a gradual reframing of the purpose that television news divisions could serve for their corporate owners. Earnest cost centers where scrappy reporters purported to do the Lord’s work gave way to slick operations, seen as sources of profit, whose anchors commanded massive salaries. Fox News Channel was launched in 1996, underscoring the fact that cable news—and even network news—was there to make money. It hardly mattered that everything broadcast on TV jumbled into one big spectacle, whether it was a celebrity murder trial or a presidential address.

Minute-by-minute competition among network newscasts and among news-magazine shows such as 60 Minutes and A Current Affair led to a sort of programming arms race, and an inexorable slide into the softer, more salacious—and more popular—“infotainment” that now fills prime-time hours. The murder trial of O. J. Simpson in 1995, the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey in 1996, and the story of a mother and two teenage girls murdered in Yosemite National Park in 1999 were all beamed into millions of American homes, and each set cable ratings on fire. By the end of the 1990s, sensational tabloid fodder had grown from obscure filler into a dominant, driving force in television news—and the networks found that there simply weren’t enough young, pretty, white crime victims to go around. Bidding for stories, once anathema, became commonplace.

All of the networks now dabble with payment in one form or another, according to Garrison and others who work in the industry, although some shows and networks have a reputation for being more aggressive than others. One former network-news booker told me how disheartening it became to work in such an environment. “There was an utter desperation to get first crack at a top-flight story, and this was the only way to do it,” he said. “Every time a big story broke, it would become a circus … Someone always came out of the woodwork with a deal.”

Not infrequently, Garrison has been that someone, though many TV news producers won’t acknowledge that they do business with him. I couldn’t find any who would comment on the record.

“It’s a very defined underworld of behavior that people really don’t talk about,” said the former booker. “All the networks have policies not to pay.” Indeed, most network news divisions are officially prohibited from paying sources for interviews, but they can get around that problem in any number of ways. In addition to paying a fee to a middleman, rather than to a subject, the network might conduct the interview in a lavish location, with all expenses paid and tickets to Broadway shows or Disney World thrown in. Or the network might pay for the use of a photo or video, with the interview coming along “for free.” Sometimes, a trashier evening tabloid show will license photos and get a coveted interview, and then both are recycled onto a more respectable morning or evening news program on the same network, which can broadcast them freely while leaving its own checkbook unsullied. In each instance, everyone knows what’s happening except the viewers.

“We don’t pay for interviews,” says ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider. “If someone has photographs or video that we want to license, we will license it, and we will disclose on the air that we have licensed pictures or videotape.” ABC’s disclosure policy is a recent development, put in place after one of the most stomach-turning examples of network payments came to light: ABC News paid $200,000 to the family of Casey Anthony, who is on trial in Florida for murdering her 2-year-old daughter, to license videos and pictures in 2008. (Garrison was working with the Anthonys early in the case, but he did not broker that payment.) This March, it was revealed that the family used the money to help pay for Anthony’s defense.

Other recent examples of the creeping influence of money in television news are plentiful. Last year on Christmas Day, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab attempted to detonate explosives hidden in his underwear on a Northwest Airlines flight en route to Detroit from Amsterdam, and was tackled by a group of passengers who managed to thwart the attack. Upon arriving in Miami, a Dutch passenger named Jasper Schuringa clumsily tried to auction off to media outlets a fuzzy cell-phone photo he had taken of the hijacker. It worked: in the end, he reportedly received some $18,000 for the image from CNN, ABC, and the New York Post. Coincidentally, Schuringa sat for an interview with both television networks.

Around the same time, a New Jersey resident named David Goldman was fighting to bring his 9-year-old son, Sean, back from Brazil, where the boy had been living with relatives of his recently deceased mother, who were fighting Goldman for custody. Every network was salivating for an interview with Goldman; NBC won out by chartering a plane to carry him, young Sean, and an NBC correspondent named Jeff Rossen back to the United States, where the father and son promptly appeared on NBC’s Today show and a two-hour Dateline special.

Sometimes Garrison is involved in these kinds of negotiations, and sometimes he isn’t. But no matter what the networks might argue, he says, “they all pay.”

At night I only watch Diane Sawyer. She’s the best,” Garrison says. He has strong opinions about TV people—the origins of which are sometimes highly personal. His antipathy toward Nancy Grace, for instance, seems to stem mostly from an incident in 2006 when he says Grace accused him, on air, of working toward a book and movie deal for John Mark Karr, the man who had confessed—falsely, it turned out—to the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. (Garrison was trying to arrange interviews for Karr at the time, but denies he was trying to sell a book.) Garrison was so angry that he pledged never to deal with Grace again.

He is hunkered down in the master bedroom of his one-story house, in a gated community full of mansions belonging to CEOs and Hollywood actors, about an hour west of Los Angeles. The place is overflowing with animals—a pair of Chihuahuas, parrots and mynah birds in elaborate cages, a battalion of desert tortoises in pens on the back terrace. In the corner where Garrison works are framed photographs of him with different celebrities—Sawyer, Larry King—as well as a picture of Ben Affleck holding the book Breaking Into Acting for Dummies, which Garrison wrote, drawing on his previous career as a Hollywood bit player.

Garrison has been working on the edges of the entertainment business since the late 1970s, when he left his job as a stockbroker. He studied acting with Lee Strasberg in New York and then moved to California, where he landed a series of small roles, including a part on the soap opera Santa Barbara and another in the movie Mulholland Falls.

One day, he says, he went to meet a producer who was “eating a pastrami sandwich with Thousand Island dressing dripping down his face,” and who talked on the phone throughout Garrison’s audition. This humiliation prompted him to move into producing. He acquired the rights to the inspirational life story of Tracy Taylor, a poster girl for the March of Dimes, which led to an article in People magazine and the development of his first movie project. (The movie was never made.) He tells me he did some work with Scott Brazil, a television producer known for shows such as Hill Street Blues, and with the Dick Clark Film Group. Over the course of the 1980s and 1990s, Garrison came to specialize more and more in true stories, a relatively open field at the time, standing apart from the more glamorous scripted entertainment that had attracted him to the industry in the first place. After a divorce and a tumultuous period dating model types, he remarried in 2007. He is close with his three grown kids from his first marriage—one daughter is a makeup artist, another is a housewife, and his son is a photographer.

He fires up his computer and AOL bleats out, “You’ve got mail!” Garrison says that dozens of tipsters, some of whom he has on retainer, constantly bring him story ideas. But he also does a lot of scouring himself. In his 2006 autobiography, The Newsbreaker, he lists some keywords that signify a captivating subject: arson, fraud, murder, millionaires, slavery. The competition for anything truly dramatic is immediate and fierce; mainly, it comes from the news shows themselves, although a few other independent operators might be in the mix as well. Garrison moves in quickly on people who may still be reeling from a traumatic event. “I love the chase,” he writes: “finding the people, contacting them, and convincing them that I am the one they should entrust their information and rights to.”

His daily routine consists of scanning the wires, monitoring his Google alerts—on Natalee Holloway, other stories he’s working on, his own name—and watching a giant TV. At the moment, a group of talking heads on Fox News is analyzing the story of a 19-year-old boy named Colton Harris-Moore who went on a crime spree in Washington state and then disappeared into the woods. Garrison says that he isn’t going to pursue the story—“it would influence kids”—but if he did, he might call the kid’s mother: “I’d like to do a movie and a book entitled In the Middle of Nowhere,” he would tell her. “Or something glamorous. I’d lock up his rights, and when he’s caught, I’d own his rights and have his exclusive interview.”

Right now, Garrison is fretting about the Muldowneys, who haven’t called him back in the past couple of hours. When I ask him what he has to offer them, he says: “I could make sure that they’re not humiliated.” He goes on, “I feel this [might] keep awareness on this case, and also help promote the boycott of Aruba, because in my opinion, Aruba is corrupt. We gotta get to the truth, so that way justice will be served.” He pauses. “Now, if they don’t call me back and they decide to do their own thing, God bless them.”

He doesn’t stop trying, though. He dials up the Good Morning America producer again: “I wanted to know if you were interested in the couple that has the picture of Natalee Holloway,” he coos into her voice mail. “They’re supposed to do CNN tomorrow, but I can turn them for you if you’re interested.”

If Good Morning America calls him back, Garrison is confident he can persuade the Muldowneys to postpone their CNN and Nancy Grace commitments. If things worked out, he says, he could demand a fee—perhaps $2,500 or $5,000. Or, in this case, he might waive the fee. “I could say, ‘I want you to put them on and treat them right, and that’s it,’ because this might be the final chapter of my book and it may be worth it [for book-writing and -marketing purposes] just to lock them up and have the ability to say that I’m working with them.”

Garrison is coy about just how much money he makes each year, though he says he isn’t wealthy. He moved out of a more extravagant house a few years ago, when he says he decided to simplify his life. He also sold off his antique-car collection (car catalogues are still piled up on his desk). “In the old days,” he told me, networks “paid a lot more money for stories—they’d pay $100,000. Now they don’t [pay the really big bucks] unless it’s an ‘Oh my God’ story—like if I had Tiger Woods’s first interview.”

The Internet has commoditized some of what Garrison does, and competition has become more intense. Gossip sites such as TMZ and Radar Online provide a nonstop fix of tabloid titillation, while anyone with a valuable photograph or video can sell it easily and directly to a photo agency like Splash News. Then there’s the generally beleaguered state of the television-news business, where budgets have been slashed over the past couple of years. For those reasons, Garrison has turned increasingly toward longer-term book projects that he can develop out of his stories.

In any case, he tells me, the money isn’t so important. “I’m not a flashy person,” he says. “I’m proud of what I do. I’d like to believe that I make a difference.”

Is it really so bad that people get paid to be on news shows, or that people like Garrison broker the deals? The networks, after all, are making money off the stories through advertising revenue. Shouldn’t some of the people they’re profiting from—bewildered actors in real-life soap operas—expect to share in the spoils?

As to Garrison’s role, he does, arguably, provide a valuable service. Many of the people he deals with are unsophisticated; a middleman might help them negotiate a better deal for their story, and possibly manage their image and their prospects for a book or movie contract, in addition to reducing the media swarm. “I always say to people, next Christmas, you’re going to be sending me a Christmas card, where tomorrow that network show is gonna be gone. They’ll get their ratings. But I’ll always be there.”

One of Garrison’s clients, Sue Doman, expressed relief that she had Garrison standing between her and the reporters who were banging down her door. Doman’s sister was married to an Illinois police sergeant named Drew Peterson, who was charged with murdering her after he was named as a suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife. Garrison has locked up Doman’s film, television, literary, and “life story” rights. If he successfully sells a book based on her story, he will take the entire advance, according to Doman. After the advance is paid back through book sales, she will receive one-third of the royalties, which she plans to donate to a domestic-violence shelter. “I trusted him to be able to control the media for me, so that’s why I did it,” she says. “I couldn’t ask for a better person.”

Still, the same lack of sophistication among news targets that makes brokers valuable to them also leaves them open to bad faith. And the whole practice of payment raises troubling questions. A long-standing tenet in journalistic circles holds that paying sources will corrupt them, that people should not be driven by money to talk, because cash undermines their credibility and might push them to say things that aren’t true. “It is entirely possible that if someone is being paid for a story, they will cater what they provide to make [the person paying them] happy,” says Andy Schotz, the Ethics Committee chairman of the Society of Professional Journalists. “It’s no longer about the pursuit of truth, it’s the pursuit of a financial arrangement.” Paying subjects also means that an individual might stage a stunt—the infamous “Balloon Boy” incident comes to mind—just to get attention or earn some money. And there’s always the potential that a murderer will be rewarded for his crime.

Garrison is still digging himself out of a reputational hole caused by one of the worst professional situations he has ever been involved in, which has made him especially sensitive about working with the wrong people. The Casey Anthony murder trial has turned into one of the most sensational media circuses of all time in a state—Florida—that is famous for them. The story has attracted all manner of bizarre parasites and hangers-on: agents, lawyers, representatives, and middlemen, who have attached themselves to the Anthony family in some form or another, hoping to gain notoriety or make a buck.

Garrison signed on as a “spokesperson” for Casey, 24, and her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, in late summer 2008, supposedly at no charge, during their search for 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. The entire family was under a cloud of suspicion—the press seemed convinced that Casey had murdered her daughter, and that her parents were helping to cover up the crime by launching a fake missing-person campaign. Protesters stationed themselves outside the Anthony house, and George and Cindy appeared on their front lawn, erratically gushing and ranting to reporters about the case, the police, the media. Garrison sensed the potential for a blockbuster book deal, and says that he believed the grandparents when they told him that they thought their granddaughter had been kidnapped. He did several television interviews on their behalf in which he urged people to search for the missing girl; he went on On the Record With Greta Van Susteren wearing a Help find Caylee Anthony T-shirt.

By October, Casey Anthony had been charged with murder, and Garrison’s relationship with her parents had degenerated. Garrison says he began to suspect that they weren’t being straightforward with him about the alleged crime, and he issued a press release in November 2008 saying he had quit working with them. On March 20, 2010, he issued another press release, titled “Setting the Record Straight on Caylee Anthony.” In it, he described a conversation he’d had with Cindy over the phone shortly before he stopped working with the couple. According to Garrison, Cindy confessed to having switched out Caylee’s hairbrush to confound police as they gathered evidence. Garrison says that he immediately reported this confession to the prosecuting attorney’s office.

“Cindy Anthony came to me with George and said, ‘My granddaughter was kidnapped, and I want people to keep looking for her, so if you help me to get the word out, I will do a book with you later on.’ And I said okay,” Garrison says. He adds: “That was the first time in my 25 years that anyone duped me.”

Some press accounts tell a different story. In October 2008, George and Cindy were flown to New York for an interview with NBC’s Today show. They taped an interview for Dateline that day as well. According to a report in the Orlando Sentinel, Garrison charged the network $6,500 for the Anthonys’ Dateline appearance, without telling the Anthonys about the payment. Their lawyer at the time, Mark NeJame, released a faxed bill from Garrison to a producer at NBC for the use of pictures, as evidence of the payment, and said that Garrison didn’t have any of the family’s pictures to sell.

The Anthonys were outraged when they found out that Garrison had been paid for their television appearance without their knowledge, and immediately fired him, according to people close to them. Garrison denies being fired, and says that he was not paid by any networks for interviews with the Anthonys, and that the Sentinel reporters who wrote about his fee from NBC were making the whole thing up; he also says the faxed bill was “fabricated.”

“I have seen some of the most wonderful acts of human kindness on this case, and some of the most despicable and sleaziest signs of human behavior as well,” says NeJame, who represented George and Cindy until he quit the case himself, in November 2008, because they were not following his advice. “I have rarely experienced anything like this, in my 30-year career, as far as the various people who attempted to exploit and prey upon this missing child.”

While the relationship between Garrison and the Anthonys was hurtling toward its bitter denouement, Casey Anthony’s defense lawyer, Jose Baez, was reportedly making his own deal with ABC, which is owned by the Walt Disney Company. 20/20 wanted to devote an episode to Casey, who was under investigation at the time but hadn’t yet been formally charged with murdering her little girl. Casey gathered some home videos of Caylee, and Baez flew to New York in August 2008 to meet with network representatives and offer the videos for licensing, according to someone involved in a similar negotiation at a competing network. The videos were aired during a 20/20 special that was broadcast on September 5, 2008, and on Good Morning America that morning, though Casey was not interviewed (she had been arrested for writing fraudulent checks on August 29, after Baez’s New York trip, and was still in custody). In March 2010, during a court hearing to determine whether Casey was indigent and incapable of paying for her own defense, Baez told the court that ABC News had paid Casey’s family $200,000, which had been used to pay his legal fees up to that point. It was revealed in separate court documents that ABC had also paid for George and Cindy to stay at the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes Orlando Hotel for three nights that December.

Other people have also cashed in on the death of Caylee Anthony. A CBS affiliate in Orlando, WKMG, reported that a meter reader named Roy Kronk, who discovered Caylee’s decomposed body in the woods, was paid $20,000 by Good Morning America, supposedly for a picture of a snake he had snapped in the area; he also sat for an interview on the show. Another local TV channel, WFTV, reported that CBS News had paid the Anthony family $20,000 for photographs of Caylee and Casey.

Garrison insists that he’s never seen money, or its prospect, taint anyone he’s worked with. When I ask him why the television networks are so squeamish about admitting that money changes hands, he says, “If that [$200,000] is what’s paying for Casey Anthony’s defense right now, then shame on the person who paid it.” He says he draws his own line to determine whom he will represent and help enrich. Then he pauses and says, “You know, if I was to have made any money off of the Caylee Anthony case, it would have never gone to the grandparents or to Casey. It would have gone to me.”

“I believe, spiritually, what you put out comes back to you,” Garrison tells me one morning. Something similar might be said about what appears on television: what viewers watch, they will see more of. Everything that follows is entirely predictable. Judging from the ratings, as long as what is shown onscreen is entertaining, the people watching aren’t bothered by what may have gone into getting it there.

Garrison and I are sitting down to breakfast when his cell phone rings. He starts gesturing after he answers it. “It’s Dave Holloway,” he mouths to me. Holloway is apparently calling to ask about the skeleton photograph. “Something doesn’t seem right with these people. They’re doing Nancy Grace tonight,” Garrison says into the phone. “In my heart, Dave, I’m pulling away from these people. It doesn’t seem right to me.” He pauses. “I just don’t want to see you get hurt … You know me, I don’t like Nancy Grace.”

The undersea-skeleton story never goes anywhere. John and Patti Muldowney make an appearance on Grace’s show, where they slump embarrassingly in a pair of chairs, sharing screen time with a series of plump-lipped forensic analysts and other made-for-TV experts who yap loudly about the case. It seems that Garrison was right in advising them not to do the show, on the basis of pure tackiness if nothing else.

One day in June, though, there is a major break in the case: Natalee Holloway’s suspected killer—a 22-year-old Dutch kid named Joran van der Sloot—is arrested in Chile for killing a young woman in Peru. It’s an explosive story, and van der Sloot’s scowling, frat-boy face appears on magazine covers and in the full-time television rotation. The tabloids report that van der Sloot has told Peruvian authorities that he knows where Holloway’s body is, but will only reveal the location to the Aruban police.

Shortly after, Garrison signs up one of van der Sloot’s ex-girlfriends, an Aruban named Melody Granadillo, who started dating him in 2003, when she was 16. Their arrangement leads to an interview on 20/20, and Garrison pitches a book on van der Sloot to several publishers, imagining that it might be the crowning achievement of his career. “This one is big,” he tells me, “and it’s being done with integrity.”

ABC broadcast the 20/20 interview with Granadillo on June 18, and as of this writing, it is still available for viewing on ABC’s Web site. There, the following disclosure appears:


The teen saved everything from her dashing Dutch suitor, including a diary they shared, filled with pages upon pages of pictures, cards, emails and love poems. Granadillo licensed a selection of these materials to ABC News.

This article available online at:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/09/the-news-merchant/8194/

Copyright © 2010 by The Atlantic Monthly Group. All Rights Reserved.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 09:24:53 AM
Larry Merchant  -- Good ::MonkeyCool::


Larry Garrison -- Bad  ::MonkeyNoNo::

--JMO   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 09:27:13 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Larry Merchant


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 09:30:34 AM
TM,

Great job  ::MonkeyShovel::         !!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 09:31:00 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Larry Merchant

So, I didn't connect the dots ( or read closely) -- Larry Garrison = Larry Merchant????  Geesh!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Larry Merchant

So, I didn't connect the dots ( or read closely) -- Larry Garrison = Larry Merchant????  Geesh!!!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I posted the first article from al.com, I had not yet pulled up the actual article in The Atlantic magazine.  Seems whoever wrote the al.com piece didn't proofread or read closely. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 12, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
I wonder what the hold up is on analyzing the DNA under Stephany's fingernails. We should have heard the results by now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 06:51:25 PM
I wonder what the hold up is on analyzing the DNA under Stephany's fingernails. We should have heard the results by now.
Do we know that they will release them publicly?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 07:05:53 PM
It seems that a discredited judge from NL is writing a book about Natalee and publishing it on the internet.

I can bring the translation of part one if needed.  It's nothing new.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/2010/08/06/de-vermoorde-onschuld-van-joran-van-der-sloot-de-mysterieuze-verdwijning-van-natalee-holloway-2-2/#more-1069


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2010, 08:23:54 PM
It seems that a discredited judge from NL is writing a book about Natalee and publishing it on the internet.

I can bring the translation of part one if needed.  It's nothing new.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/2010/08/06/de-vermoorde-onschuld-van-joran-van-der-sloot-de-mysterieuze-verdwijning-van-natalee-holloway-2-2/#more-1069

I see Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan aka Billybob is trolling over on that website as well  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MedleyHappyBook3-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 09:02:04 PM
It seems that a discredited judge from NL is writing a book about Natalee and publishing it on the internet.

I can bring the translation of part one if needed.  It's nothing new.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/2010/08/06/de-vermoorde-onschuld-van-joran-van-der-sloot-de-mysterieuze-verdwijning-van-natalee-holloway-2-2/#more-1069

I see Medleyrelay aka Jan Brennan aka Billybob is trolling over on that website as well  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MedleyHappyBook3-1.gif)


And Renho herself made a brief appearance as well. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:30:49 PM
Klaas

There has been some filings in the K2 case.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 12, 2010, 09:37:06 PM
Klaas

There has been some filings in the K2 case.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Klaas is checking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 12, 2010, 09:40:28 PM
While we are waiting.  Hiya Buckeye and Magnolia  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 09:42:58 PM
While we are waiting.  Hiya Buckeye and Magnolia  ::CowboySmiley::

 ::HelloKitty::  Hey San!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:47:53 PM
2010 California Rules of Court

Rule 3.400. Definition

(a) Definition

A "complex case" is an action that requires exceptional judicial management to avoid placing unnecessary burdens on the court or the litigants and to expedite the case, keep costs reasonable, and promote effective decision making by the court, the parties, and counsel.

(b) Factors

In deciding whether an action is a complex case under (a), the court must consider, among other things, whether the action is likely to involve:

(1)Numerous pretrial motions raising difficult or novel legal issues that will be time-consuming to resolve;

(2)Management of a large number of witnesses or a substantial amount of documentary evidence;

(3)Management of a large number of separately represented parties;

(4)Coordination with related actions pending in one or more courts in other counties, states, or countries, or in a federal court; or

(5)Substantial postjudgment judicial supervision.

(Subd (b) amended effective January 1, 2007.)

(c) Provisional designation

Except as provided in (d), an action is provisionally a complex case if it involves one or more of the following types of claims:

(1)Antitrust or trade regulation claims;

(2)Construction defect claims involving many parties or structures;

(3)Securities claims or investment losses involving many parties;

(4)Environmental or toxic tort claims involving many parties;

(5)Claims involving mass torts;

(6)Claims involving class actions; or

(7)Insurance coverage claims arising out of any of the claims listed in (c)(1) through (c)(6).

(Subd (c) amended effective January 1, 2007.)

(d) Court's discretion

Notwithstanding (c), an action is not provisionally complex if the court has significant experience in resolving like claims involving similar facts and the management of those claims has become routine. A court may declare by local rule that certain types of cases are or are not provisionally complex under this subdivision.

(Subd (d) amended effective January 1, 2007.)

Rule 3.400 amended and renumbered effective January 1, 2007; adopted as rule 1800 effective January 1, 2000.

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/rules/index.cfm?title=three&linkid=rule3_400


Doesn't sound complex to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:48:24 PM
While we are waiting.  Hiya Buckeye and Magnolia  ::CowboySmiley::

Hello there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
I have been loving how the peeps at RU are trying to word their denials of the kinship of all
of the movie bunch. ::MonkeyDevil::

None of them will really say it isn't true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
There's more but here are the NOTICES.  Each of these are a 2 page notice but the 2nd page is mostly signatures and notary.  There are two more docs, the backup to the notices one is like 64 pages and the other 12.  I'll work on those now:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NoticeStrike.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DesignateComplex0810.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
I have been loving how the peeps at RU are trying to word their denials of the kinship of all
of the movie bunch. ::MonkeyDevil::

None of them will really say it isn't true.


Have been reading comments on the defrocked judge's site.  One person has dealings with Gielen, early on.  He stated that Gielen's crockumentary was financed BEFORE it was made.  She didn't hide that fact when trying to get him interested.  The consensus was that it indeed it is an unsubstantiated crock.  They didn't know who financed her.  I'm torn between Paulus and AHATA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 09:53:48 PM
Are they calling it a complex case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
I have been loving how the peeps at RU are trying to word their denials of the kinship of all
of the movie bunch. ::MonkeyDevil::

None of them will really say it isn't true.

I have to admit that I have not been there in a while.  I know not what they have been saying, but am not surprised, Magnolia. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
There's more but here are the NOTICES.  Each of these are a 2 page notice but the 2nd page is mostly signatures and notary.  There are two more docs, the backup to the notices one is like 64 pages and the other 12.  I'll work on those now:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NoticeStrike.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DesignateComplex0810.jpg)


See California's definition of "complex" above.  Sorry, jumped the gun.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
Are they calling it a complex case?

I think K2 would like it labeled as such.  I believe the hearing is Aug 27th. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 09:58:20 PM
Are they calling it a complex case?

That's what it looks like to me, but I'm not a legal document specialist, by far. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
I have been loving how the peeps at RU are trying to word their denials of the kinship of all
of the movie bunch. ::MonkeyDevil::

None of them will really say it isn't true.


Have been reading comments on the defrocked judge's site.  One person has dealings with Gielen, early on.  He stated that Gielen's crockumentary was financed BEFORE it was made.  She didn't hide that fact when trying to get him interested.  The consensus was that it indeed it is an unsubstantiated crock.  They didn't know who financed her.  I'm torn between Paulus and AHATA.

That little crock that Gielen put together would not have been that expensive, so it may have been
Paulus' backing it.  It was mostly camera work with Renfro and Dompig.  What a credible cast!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2010, 10:05:15 PM
Motion to strike - 12 page doc - first 3 pages the rest is mostly backup for the motion:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KalpoeStrike1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KalpoeStrike2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KalpoieStrike3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 12, 2010, 10:07:29 PM
Motion to Designate COMPLEX - 65 pages in all - here are the first 3 pages, after this is mostly examples of why it qualifies as a COMPLEX case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ComplexKalpoe1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ComplexKalpoe2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ComplexKalpoe3.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:07:46 PM
Are they calling it a complex case?

I think K2 would like it labeled as such.  I believe the hearing is Aug 27th. 

To me it looks like the Kalpoe attys have filed for it to be called a complex case on the grounds that
more than one country is involved.  But since the Kalpoes chose to file the case in the US, I wouldn't
think the rule would apply. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
It would not be "complex" if the Kalpoes would get their asses to California for "simple" depositions. It has taken 3 years and still NOTHING!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:10:11 PM
Thanks for the headsup Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

THANKS Klaas!  And THANKS to the anonymous Monkey that pays for the docs!

 ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 10:11:51 PM
Are they calling it a complex case?

I think K2 would like it labeled as such.  I believe the hearing is Aug 27th. 

To me it looks like the Kalpoe attys have filed for it to be called a complex case on the grounds that
more than one country is involved.  But since the Kalpoes chose to file the case in the US, I wouldn't
think the rule would apply. ::MonkeyConfused::

They filed the case in the US and won't come here to give depositions....they mucked it up and stalled since the get-go.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:17:16 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:18:32 PM
If I were the judge.....I would say:  Throw them nasty Kalpoes in the graybar hotel until they decide to talk.

It's not complex at all.  File the suit here, you play by our rules. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 10:31:18 PM
and California has dealt with many defamation cases....this is not a class action, etc.

In US immigration law, the term parole has three different meanings...

A person who does not meet the technical requirements for a visa may be allowed to enter the U.S. for humanitarian purposes. Persons who are allowed to enter the U.S. in this manner are known as parolees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole

Why would K2 try to enter under humanitarian purposes??

Why would you complain that the discovery is in Dutch?  I could see Dr. Phil complaining but... sheesh...those boys brought the suite. The US has real laws and regulations. There is no compensation without proving your case.  I hope the judge throws the whole thing out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:32:54 PM
I have no idea what the "parole" thing is all about, but here's a few things I've looked at.   ::MonkeyConfused::

There's some information here about exclusions for entry into the U.S.

http://www.canadianlegal.org/travel_waivers.php

Humanitarian Parole

http://www.bridgewest.com/visaservice/us_other/humanitarian/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:34:17 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
If I were the judge.....I would say:  Throw them nasty Kalpoes in the graybar hotel until they decide to talk.

It's not complex at all.  File the suit here, you play by our rules. ::piggy::

The tobacco industry, Microsoft....those are complex.  K2??  Stupid but not complex.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:36:02 PM
and California has dealt with many defamation cases....this is not a class action, etc.

In US immigration law, the term parole has three different meanings...

A person who does not meet the technical requirements for a visa may be allowed to enter the U.S. for humanitarian purposes. Persons who are allowed to enter the U.S. in this manner are known as parolees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole

Why would K2 try to enter under humanitarian purposes??

Why would you complain that the discovery is in Dutch?  I could see Dr. Phil complaining but... sheesh...those boys brought the suite. The US has real laws and regulations. There is no compensation without proving your case.  I hope the judge throws the whole thing out.

Me too Buckeye.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Almost four years after filing is a little late to press the "complex" issue IMO.  If it ever applied at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
If I were the judge.....I would say:  Throw them nasty Kalpoes in the graybar hotel until they decide to talk.

It's not complex at all.  File the suit here, you play by our rules. ::piggy::

The tobacco industry, Microsoft....those are complex.  K2??  Stupid but not complex.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 10:36:39 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.

So they take their $8 and return to Suriname.  Why did they file in the US? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.

So they take their $8 and return to Suriname.  Why did they file in the US? 


They just didn't plan ahead!  They thought that Dr. Phil would just hand them the $8 million
and they would be happy everafter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.

It seems like someone might have mentioned that to them BEFORE they filed the lawsuit here doesn't it?  Did they really think they wouldn't have to make an appearance in the U.S. at all?  Good grief! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 10:45:22 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.

It seems like someone might have mentioned that to them BEFORE they filed the lawsuit here doesn't it?  Did they really think they wouldn't have to make an appearance in the U.S. at all?  Good grief! 


I'll bet that the lawyers here didn't think to inquire as to their citizenship status before they filed the suit.
Surprise!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 10:49:58 PM
So is the application for "PAROLE" in order to gain entry into the United States confirmation that the Kalpoe brothers DO have prior criminal convictions on their records?


I think that means that they are trying to get Aruba to agree to let them back into the country if they leave.

If they are truly there on their mother's Visa, as we have heard, Aruba can consider it as abandoning
the country if they leave Aruban soil and refuse to allow them re-entry.

But I'm not sure.

It seems like someone might have mentioned that to them BEFORE they filed the lawsuit here doesn't it?  Did they really think they wouldn't have to make an appearance in the U.S. at all?  Good grief! 


I'll bet that the lawyers here didn't think to inquire as to their citizenship status before they filed the suit.
Surprise!

http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/gomer-pyle-surprise.jpg

(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/gomer-pyle-surprise.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 12, 2010, 10:54:46 PM
I agree, Magnolia.  They were advised that Dr. Phil would settle.  Probably by the same person that advised that Beth would go away.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 11:00:45 PM
Don't you just know that those old Kalpoes are frustrated waiting to spend all of that money
they were told they would get.  I hope they are still planning to give Joran his million that
they promised him.  I'll bet they dream of that money that they'll never get. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 11:05:07 PM
I agree, Magnolia.  They were advised that Dr. Phil would settle.  Probably by the same person that advised that Beth would go away.

What's to think of their US lawyers in all of this...Cremer, et al (sp?)  wtf



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 12, 2010, 11:07:02 PM
I agree, Magnolia.  They were advised that Dr. Phil would settle.  Probably by the same person that advised that Beth would go away.

What's to think of their US lawyers in all of this...Cremer, et al (sp?)  wtf



Greedy bastards is what I think. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 12, 2010, 11:12:20 PM
I agree, Magnolia.  They were advised that Dr. Phil would settle.  Probably by the same person that advised that Beth would go away.

What's to think of their US lawyers in all of this...Cremer, et al (sp?)  wtf



Greedy bastards is what I think. ::MonkeyDevil::

I have a few more names, but they sure aren't helping the ecomony.  Waste, waste, waste.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 11:26:10 PM
I would still like to know just exactly who is bankrolling the Kalpoes -- and even better, do the Kalpoes actually WANT this suit to go forward?????????  ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 12, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 12, 2010, 11:48:24 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=11992

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(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=113&id=11992&Itemid=63)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=11808

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(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=106&id=11360&Itemid=63)
So these are Aruba's "beautiful" people??  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 13, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
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http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=11360

Confessions nightclub 4aug'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=106&id=11360&Itemid=63)
So these are Aruba's "beautiful" people??  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yup, right there along Renho and medleyrelay...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 13, 2010, 01:36:39 AM
OT Sylar Newton update: Authorities say remains found Tuesday are those of 2-year-old Arizona boy

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8313.msg1206549#msg1206549


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2010, 11:00:28 AM
Friday the  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/224.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: can on August 13, 2010, 02:18:04 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 2NJ and a happy friday .. to you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2010, 02:51:47 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: 2NJ and a happy friday .. to you!

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2010, 03:29:13 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 13, 2010, 06:21:49 PM
I would sure like a lawyer to read the latest filing by the Kalpoe's attorneys and give us an opinion. I would HOPE the judge throws it out -- but it seems the judge gets weak knees at every deadline!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 13, 2010, 06:25:31 PM
The plaintiffs have had nearly 4 years to simply be deposed. If they can't meet the requirements to bring suit -- they should be summarily dismissed and their lawyers sanctioned by the court as well as financial damages to the defendants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 13, 2010, 10:29:12 PM
I'm a conversation killer!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
I'm a conversation killer!!!  ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't think so.   ::MonkeyCool:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:13:14 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/grupo-di-homber-desconoci-a-comete-maltrato-serio-contra-dos-turista/

Papiamentu translation:

are by man desconoci owing to comete maltrato earnest contra two tourist

publication: diabierna, 13 august 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): in oranan by at night on diaranzon owing to come into informe at central by police, cu two man owing to worde bad beat on beach by riu hotel.tabata in careda by 10’or the caso owing to worde reporta., at once owing to despacha patrol at the lugar. according informe compila is menciona in vecindario by bugulu, police owing to encounter two boy tourist. is deal by the boy by inicialnan owing to.w. by 18 year y j.w. by 32 year both is because tourist mericano. they was throw at floor on the walkway. they was complain by quite dolor y they're bad beat. according declaracion by the bishitantenan one are by man desconoci owing to beat they cu bate baseball, this hour cu they owing to descend for by the boat by placer tattoo. was have testigonan cu owing to say police cu two brother owing to confronta problem abordo. seems cu esnan envolvi owing to be called amigonan at earth y owing to laydown they at altitude by one que another. una vez the two bishitantenan owing to laydown leg firme on beach, they owing to worde ataca for her are arm cu beat. all the time ambulance owing to present y mam by two turistanan owing to present at the lugar. after cu the turistanan ricibi atencion medico at dr. horacio oduber hospital, was they intencion by acudi at despacho by recherche cu the result medico before entrega denuncia oficial contra by the are. the are cu owing to agredi malamente the two turistanan have tatoo at curpa y fuera have testigonan cu owing to look at kico was tumando lugar. is deal by one caso earnest y assure will have consecuencia also the are by owing to comete maltrato earnest violento using they bate baseball because arm before ramzag the two turistanan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 13, 2010, 11:14:57 PM
Hello, Y'all!  Anything new?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:15:34 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76598.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Owner Foxy Lady, "was false declaration"
August 13, 2010, 13:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Alex Mathew, owner of Club Foxy Lady and accused of trafficking, a complaint against two Ukrainian women on the making of false declaration. This is his lawyer Edwin Duijn Field announced yesterday.

This will ensure that Mathew Duijn Field at large does. The suspect is currently in custody in Bonaire. In an interim order which is Monday, his client Field Duijn lawyer tries to get back to Aruba. Reportedly, the accused injunction Aruba not attend. He should keep the cell in Bonaire. The Public Prosecutor (OM) was unavailable for comment this morning.

Mathew was arrested on August 5 after raids on his strip club, office and home. Here, various properties of Mathew research seized. Mathew is suspected of involvement in a criminal organization, trafficking, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft. After his arrest on Thursday, he was flown to Bonaire Friday by Justice. The reason for this were the prosecution, but his violent past against "Aruban authorities", the "extensive contacts" of Mathew in the Aruban police and prison guards of KIA. The statements of the prosecutor and the subsequent media speculation about the integrity of the police, provoked by many agents irritation. Dolfi Richardson police chief responded to the reports and said his officers to stand behind. Incidentally, the raid also arrested an agent. This worked as a bouncer for Foxy Lady strip club.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:18:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76594.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Alarm system for military personnel
August 13, 2010, 1:22 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Houses of military personnel are provided with a new alarm system. High Invite, said Jan Kleian, chairman of the military against the union ACOM Worldwide.

According Kleian gets signals that the number of burglaries in Aruba increased sharply. "What strikes me is that in those specific areas where members live the number of burglaries increases." He wants the feeling of insecurity in the smaller military personnel. He says that average two to four burglaries per week. "Enough there to seriously pay attention to it."

Late last year this newspaper has written about the feeling of insecurity of the families of Dutch soldiers in Aruba. Soldiers shouted to alarms and motion sensors in their homes. Houses of military personnel in Aruba are not equipped with this type of security. Especially Marines who spent time away from home during training, worry about their family behind. A soldier who prefers to remain anonymous, confirmed to this newspaper reports. "For me, luckily not broken, but I've heard from several colleagues about burglaries in their home." He also knows that some colleagues have yourself an alarm system purchased. "The problem is a long time."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:22:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76573.php

English version

Venezuela extradites drug leader

12 Aug, 2010, 08:10 (GMT -04:00)

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Gloria Ceballos was put on the airplane yesterday under escort of Interpol officers in the direction of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD/CARACAS — The Venezuelan authorities extradited the Columbian Gloria Esther Chavez Ceballos, alias ‘Gloria Amparo’ – suspected of drug smuggling – to Aruba yesterday. This occurred at the request of the Aruban Public Prosecutor (OM). Venezuela has also extradited a Dutch drug smuggler.

The international news agency The Associated Press announced this yesterday afternoon.
Ceballos was arrested on July 27th in the city San Critobal in the province Táchira, Venezuela. According to Justice, she leads a group of drug smugglers, known as ‘Los Indios’, who transport narcotics to the Caribbean and Europe. Venezuela is known as an important pivot in drug smuggling from Columbia to the United States, Europe and the Caribbean.

The Dutch male who was extradited by Venezuela is named Marcelino Kerkeboom Glenn (59). He was transferred to the Netherlands. Glenn was internationally wanted, because he still has to serve a large part of his one and a half year imprisonment in the Netherlands due to smuggling 1200 kilos of cocaine. A spokesperson from the Public Prosecutor in Zwolle announced the aforementioned. Glenn was in a prison in Hoorn, but ran away during his leave. The authorities in Venezuela had already been keeping an eye on him for some time. He did not possess valid residence documents, according to the spokesperson.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 13, 2010, 11:31:27 PM
Hello, Y'all!  Anything new?
Yesterday, the Kalpoe's lawyers filed a motion to declare their case "complex". The Kalpoes are trying yet again to postpone things.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2010, 11:37:39 PM
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article3163107.ece/Journalisten_tegen_plan_Hirsch_Ballin.html

Google translation:

Journalists planning to Hirsch Ballin

(AP) - The Dutch Association of Journalists (NVJ) is against a ban on recording of confidential conversations, as Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) that wants to import. That the journalists union reported Thursday.
 
Hirsch Ballin's proposal could include the images that crime reporter Peter R. de Vries secretly made by Joran van der Sloot may no longer be broadcast, the NVJ.

Now it is already forbidden secret talks to take if the person shot is not itself take part in the conversation. Hirsch Ballin recently announced that he wants a total ban on recording of confidential conversations.

Hirsch Ballin also wants to publish illegally obtained photos or film footage of famous Dutch criminalization. That could apply to the images of Wesley Sneijder and Yolanthe Cabau of Kersbergen, made by a security camera in a parking garage.

The prosecutor should be given power to make such images from the Internet to have them removed will Hirsch Ballin. Now I get court permission is required. The NVJ think go too far. "Such a decision must be made by a judge," said Secretary Thomas Bruning NVJ.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 13, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Those Kalpoes should think of all the complex trouble they're going to be in when that multiple murderer starts throwing them to the wolves.  Maybe not today, or the week that passes next (does anyone remember how that saying goes?), but their day for accountability is coming.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 13, 2010, 11:40:41 PM
Since things seem a bit slow here now, I'm going to say "good-night".  I've been away, so just wanted to stop in and say "hi".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 13, 2010, 11:44:46 PM
Those Kalpoes should think of all the complex trouble they're going to be in when that multiple murderer starts throwing them to the wolves.  Maybe not today, or the week that passes next (does anyone remember how that saying goes?), but their day for accountability is coming.
Darleen,

I don't think the Kalpoes have any interest in pursuing this. It is the "bill payer" that is dragging this on. The question is -- who is paying the bills and WHY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2010, 12:51:08 AM
Those Kalpoes should think of all the complex trouble they're going to be in when that multiple murderer starts throwing them to the wolves.  Maybe not today, or the week that passes next (does anyone remember how that saying goes?), but their day for accountability is coming.
Darleen,

I don't think the Kalpoes have any interest in pursuing this. It is the "bill payer" that is dragging this on. The question is -- who is paying the bills and WHY!!

I agree wreck, and I would also like to know if it's the same one(s) that have "signed some other checks" to distract from the TRUTH in this case!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 14, 2010, 01:04:49 AM
The bill payer is the lying liars of Aruba and their lying leadership that is leading them down a path to destruction.  Incidentally, I found this and felt it might (probably not) be of interest to anyone interested in the socioeconomics of Peru, where beloved Joran now resides.  Incidentally, included in the article, right upper hand, is a picture of someone I believe to be Anita vdSloot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10960389


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tylergal on August 14, 2010, 01:07:01 AM
I agree, Magnolia.  They were advised that Dr. Phil would settle.  Probably by the same person that advised that Beth would go away.

What's to think of their US lawyers in all of this...Cremer, et al (sp?)  wtf



Greedy bastards is what I think. ::MonkeyDevil::

there's probably a frizzy headed old reporter who is like the old woman in the shoe who had so many children she did not know to who they belonged.  bon dia, Julia ugly old witch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 14, 2010, 01:52:15 AM
Jana's murderer with Netherlands

He ended the wait for justice for the families of Jana Claudia Gomez Trujillo Melendez. The alleged murderer of the young northern, American William Trickett Smith (29), spend their days in the Castro Castro prison, along with Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot. Trickett Smith (29), who was the husband of Hannah, arrived in Peru on Wednesday night after seeking his extradition to the United States, accused of the murder charges as the main suspect in the death of Jana Gomez, whose body was found inside a suitcase at sea on 16 August 2007. Trickett same day that Smith left the country for the United States.

The Peruvian authorities requested the extradition of United States Trickett Smith in November 2008 after be accused of having murdered his wife, June 8, 2007, in a hotel in the district of Lince then dumped the body at sea in a suitcase. The order of the Peruvian authorities was only completed in August this year, with the arrival of the alleged murderer to our country.

The "murderer of the bag" as it is known Trickett Smith, was serving a prison sentence in Pennsylvania for being linked to drug trafficking, a fact that facilitated his extradition to Peru.

The U.S. authorities handed over on Wednesday night Trickett Smith and then transferred to a police station Jorge Chavez International Airport where they took samples of his fingerprints and signature. The U.S. was conducted after the requisitions local police where he spent the night. On the morning of yesterday, Trickett Smith was taken to the Public Prosecutor to make his first statement and be subject to the medical examiner's examination. Then it was transferred under heavy security, provided with a bulletproof vest to the courthouse lockup.

The Sixth Chamber of Free Prisoners, which is the case, recused himself from giving any statement and decided to pass the trial record to the table of parts of the Palace of Justice. In this unit, a specialized room in Jail Inmates took over the proceedings related to the transfer of accused murderer to a detention center of Lima.

http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/asesino-de-jana-junto-a-holandes_68181.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 14, 2010, 02:00:00 AM
This is realy weird that Joran's new roommate killed his wife in a hotel room and then put her body in a suitcase and threw her in the ocean.  Joran confessed he wanted to put Stephany in a suitcase and throw her in the ocean. They will have lots to talk about .  ::MonkeyNoNo::


After three years since the murder of his Peruvian wife, the younger Trujillo Jana Claudia Gomez Melendez, American William Trickett Smith (29), the main suspect in the crime, came to our home yesterday after being extradited by the United States.

The "Murderer of the case 'was a bulletproof vest and was taken to the police station Jorge Chavez International Airport, where he followed the directions of police officers and placed his fingerprints and signature.

It was observed that the appearance of Trickett Smith has changed and is completely different from what was three years ago when she married Gomez Melendez, whose body was found inside a suitcase. The subject is now long hair, light beard and wore a casual blue shirt and jeans.

After spending the night at the local Police indictment, Trickett Smith was taken this morning to Attorney General to take his first statement and pass medical examinations legislated. His arrival at the lockup of the Judiciary was registered before 10:30 am Then you will be referred to a prison, where he will face criminal prosecution as the alleged murderer of his Peruvian wife.

William Trickett Smith II is accused of killing, the June 8, 2007, his wife at a hotel in Lima district of Lince and have thrown the body into the sea in a suitcase.

On August 16, 2007, the same day that the U.S. left the country, Jana Gomez's body was found by fishermen and recognized by a butterfly tattoo he had.

The United States, Peru requested the extradition of Trickett Smith II in November 2008. In early August this year, Washington agreed to the request.

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2010/08/asesino-william-trickett-smith-esta-en-ministerio-publico/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 14, 2010, 02:05:36 AM
Boat with 70 kilograms of cocaine intercepted in Aruba

PHILIPSBURG - The Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday a small boat east of Aruba seized 70 kilos of cocaine. This has the Coast Guard said Wednesday.

The Coast Guard found the boat during a patrol and began a pursuit. Then the smugglers tried to flee.

The boat hit however, and six people on board fell into the water. The drugs, wrapped in four bales were seized. All six suspects were arrested.

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen/dgbinnenland/7083145/Bootje-met-70-kilo-coke-onderschept-bij-Aruba.ece


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: pdh3 on August 14, 2010, 04:43:07 AM
O/T.....for which I apologize profusely....but HELP!!!

We need a mod to change the thread in the sports forum. "Football with frijole" is on page 100. ::MonkeyEek::


TY San   ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 14, 2010, 08:27:29 AM
The bill payer is the lying liars of Aruba and their lying leadership that is leading them down a path to destruction.  Incidentally, I found this and felt it might (probably not) be of interest to anyone interested in the socioeconomics of Peru, where beloved Joran now resides.  Incidentally, included in the article, right upper hand, is a picture of someone I believe to be Anita vdSloot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10960389
Well, if it is NOT her -- it's a dead ringer!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 14, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 14, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 14, 2010, 09:46:18 AM
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx)

If you are referring to the last comment.......no surprise. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 14, 2010, 10:05:38 AM
I am posting some quotes from Beth's Goodhousekeeping interview.  There are several entities writing books and movies.  There is added comments regarding the infamous "Eric Williams". Perhaps one of them would like to hear the real thing.

Inside the lobby of the hotel, I spot the coach standing with a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agent.....

After telling the DEA agent what I know, we rush to the desk to ask about a tourist named Gerran or Juran who plays in the casino here and might be staying at the hotel. The night manager, Brenda, knows him by name. "Oh! Yes...Joran. He gambles in the casino. He likes to prey on young female tourists," she volunteers. "Especially the blonds." My mouth drops open. "He is tall. Good-looking boy. Like a Dutch marine."
"Where's he from?" I ask her.
She replies, "He lives in Aruba."
I stutter, "He's...he's not a tourist just here for the summer? He isn't staying at this hotel?" ......

The DEA agent asks about Natalee's cell phone and passport. I discover them in a little carry-on purse attached to the side of her duffel. After the agent looks at them, I return Natalee's things to her hotel room. Seeing her passport gives me hope. At least she hasn't left this island. She's here somewhere. We can find her. When I return to the lobby, the DEA agent suggests we go to Carlos'n Charlie's to ask questions and show her picture around.....

It takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the Van der Sloot home. The police sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door. He has a cell phone in his hand. He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot. On the phone, the DEA advises me to remain in the rental van. I don't want to impede the police work by flying off the handle.....

Tempers get hotter. We're instructed by the police to go back to the Van der Sloot residence, where Joran is now waiting. We arrive to see Joran and Deepak Kalpoe standing in front of the house. Everyone waits for the DEA agent to arrive. I remain in the car. Natalee's friends from home are on speakerphone, guiding me with information....

By the time the DEA agent arrives, it's 3 in the morning.....

... I wish there was an American law-enforcement contact here to help us. Despair is weighing on me. I was told that the DEA agent was here "on vacation," but considering his line of work, I have to wonder. I'm just thankful he was there to help us get the ball rolling. There's no U.S. consulate here. No State Department representative. No FBI agent. We're on our own and will have to rely on local authorities until help arrives....



http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/family/real/natalee-holloway-daughter-beth-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2010, 10:12:41 AM
Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2010, 02:02:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76629.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Foxy Lady owner back in Aruba
August 14, 2010, 24:29 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Alex Mathew, owner of Foxy Lady strip club and suspected in human beings, was yesterday back in Aruba. This is the interim measures that lawyer Edwin Duijn Field behalf of his client Monday wanted to tighten it back to Aruba to get the job.

The results of a risk analysis of the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Thursday, in consultation with the Director of KIA, led to the decision to the accused on Friday from the prison back to Aruba Bonaire. That the OM yesterday afternoon via a press release. The message indicates that one reason for the return of Mathew, the departure of several foreign victims of trafficking. They are "now returned to their home countries," said the PPS. These victims were first captured by the judiciary and "adequately supervised". By the police and the judge were these victims and witnesses. The lawyers of the suspects were at the hearing to the judge present, let the Public know.

The prosecution now says that Mathew, in the interest of the investigation after his arrest on August 5 was temporarily moved to Bonaire. The reasons for the OM indicated before moving the suspect to another island, were "extensive contacts" between the suspect, police guards and KIA. Moreover, as indicated, the suspect is known as aggressive to "Aruban authorities.

In the raid on the strip club on August 5, three other suspects were arrested. One of the suspects, some EJSR is at large has come. However, he remains in the investigation as suspects, according to the OM. The other two suspects are as Mathew still in custody.

The police investigation into the matter Foxy Lady is still in progress. The OM describes the case as "substantial." Besides allegations of trafficking, a priority of the OM are also allegations of involvement in a criminal organization, illegal judicial detention, threats and theft investigated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 14, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Texasmom, is this the guy with the equiptment rental business or another one?
Seems he was attacked by someone.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cece on August 14, 2010, 05:48:44 PM
Hi Monkeys.  Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-only-foreign-accused/TuIAIwXlBUizoMqhPso_mA.cspx?rss=2272

van der Sloot not Peru's only foreign accused killer

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot isn’t the only foreigner accused of killing a Peruvian woman.   Peru finally won a two year extradition battle with the United States to get custody of another accused killer.  And according to the Lima newspaper El Comercio, van der Sloot has a new neighbor at the Castro Castro prison.

El Commercio and the website Living in Peru say US citizen William Trickett Smith (29) was extradited to Peru and arrived in Lima Thursday night, almost three years after the murder of his Peruvian wife Jana Claudia Gómez Meléndez (21), whose body was found inside a suitcase floating in the sea.

The international news agency AFP says Prosecutor Rafael Aguero charged William Trickett Smith with first degree murder.

In 2007, Smith met Claudia Gomez, 21, through an website. After a whirlwind romance, the couple married.

Soon after, Trickett allegedly killed Gomez in a Lima hotel, stuffed the body in a suitcase with help from two accomplices, and threw the suitcase into the ocean.

Fishermen found the suitcase with the body near a Lima beach in August 2007. Gomez was identified by a butterfly tattoo that she had.

The case resonates with Peruvians who have recently seen three Peruvian women allegedly murdered by foreign nationals. Joran van der Sloot remains in the Castro Castro prison charged with murdering 21 year old student Stephany Flores. He’s also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba five years ago…she was last seen with van der Sloot.

Federal officials in Birmingham have indicted van der Sloot on wire fraud and extortion charges for allegedly promising the Holloway family information on Natalee’s fate in exchange for money. No information was provided.

The Peruvian murder charges in the Stephany Flores case are taking precedent over the U.S. charges so far.

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/7/9/7/79786ef7-9a43-45a3-aaf2-28810813f2a6/Story.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 14, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
Hi Monkeys.  Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.


http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-not-Perus-only-foreign-accused/TuIAIwXlBUizoMqhPso_mA.cspx?rss=2272

van der Sloot not Peru's only foreign accused killer

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot isn’t the only foreigner accused of killing a Peruvian woman.   Peru finally won a two year extradition battle with the United States to get custody of another accused killer.  And according to the Lima newspaper El Comercio, van der Sloot has a new neighbor at the Castro Castro prison.

El Commercio and the website Living in Peru say US citizen William Trickett Smith (29) was extradited to Peru and arrived in Lima Thursday night, almost three years after the murder of his Peruvian wife Jana Claudia Gómez Meléndez (21), whose body was found inside a suitcase floating in the sea.

The international news agency AFP says Prosecutor Rafael Aguero charged William Trickett Smith with first degree murder.

In 2007, Smith met Claudia Gomez, 21, through an website. After a whirlwind romance, the couple married.

Soon after, Trickett allegedly killed Gomez in a Lima hotel, stuffed the body in a suitcase with help from two accomplices, and threw the suitcase into the ocean.

Fishermen found the suitcase with the body near a Lima beach in August 2007. Gomez was identified by a butterfly tattoo that she had.

The case resonates with Peruvians who have recently seen three Peruvian women allegedly murdered by foreign nationals. Joran van der Sloot remains in the Castro Castro prison charged with murdering 21 year old student Stephany Flores. He’s also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. Natalee disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba five years ago…she was last seen with van der Sloot.

Federal officials in Birmingham have indicted van der Sloot on wire fraud and extortion charges for allegedly promising the Holloway family information on Natalee’s fate in exchange for money. No information was provided.

The Peruvian murder charges in the Stephany Flores case are taking precedent over the U.S. charges so far.

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/7/9/7/79786ef7-9a43-45a3-aaf2-28810813f2a6/Story.jpg)

As well they should!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 14, 2010, 06:08:06 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

http://www.facebook.com

Tito Lacle shooting case na di Cura Cabai: source: cops
August 10 at 7:36 pm · Share
Kelly Reymundo Update please!
August 10 at 8:40 pm
Margaret Wever shoots Oh, darn guns.
August 10 at 10:50 pm



The above article says he was brutally attacked, so I am thinking he took a bad beating.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 14, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

http://www.facebook.com

Tito Lacle shooting case na di Cura Cabai: source: cops
August 10 at 7:36 pm · Share
Kelly Reymundo Update please!
August 10 at 8:40 pm
Margaret Wever shoots Oh, darn guns.
August 10 at 10:50 pm



The above article says he was brutally attacked, so I am thinking he took a bad beating.


That is why I didn't know if it was the same one. The orbit was in Diario.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 14, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stephany-Flores-Ramirez-and-Joran-Van-der-Sloot-Case/122041101165784

Don't know if there is anything new here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2010, 08:47:52 AM
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html
(http://media.philly.com/images/20100815_inq_jriordan15-c.JPG)

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010


Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


By Kevin Riordan

Inquirer Columnist

Before Joran van der Sloot became one of the most famous murder suspects in the world, Matthew Biebel nearly threw a punch at him during a poker game.

"You could tell he was a punk," Biebel says, recalling his encounter with Van der Sloot in Aruba on May 30, 2005 - the last day Natalee Holloway was seen alive.

Five years to the day later, a young woman named Stephany Flores Ramirez was found murdered in Van der Sloot's hotel room in Peru. The baby-faced suspect with the dyed buzz cut and dead eyes awaits trial in that case.

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. About a week after Biebel got back from vacation, three cars pulled up unannounced at his Mullica Hill home, disgorging a quartet of FBI agents who proceeded to interview him ("they were professional") for an hour.

"They wanted to know what the fight was about," Biebel says. "They thought that maybe we had had a disagreement about something other than poker.

"They wanted to know what his demeanor was like. They wanted to know if he was disheveled, and I said he looked like any other poker player - cool, calm, and collected."

A 55-year-old Inquirer driver and father of two grown sons, Biebel was in Aruba with a friend. That same weekend, Holloway, 18, was seen at a bar with Van der Sloot; she missed her return flight to the United States, and her body has not been found.

(Although questioned extensively in that case, Van der Sloot was not charged; he later retracted incriminating statements he had made on video and to a TV reporter. Peruvian police say he has confessed to killing Ramirez.)

Van der Sloot shared a poker table with Biebel and his friend May 29 and 30. Although house rules require that English be spoken during games, Van der Sloot frequently chatted with other players in a local language called Papiamento, Biebel says.

"I let it go, but finally there was a pot that was just me and him, and he did it again. I called over the guy who manages the poker room, and I told him that he was breaking the rules. He was told to stop, and he did.

"The next night, the stakes were higher, and I was in a hand with him, and he started doing it again, when he was deciding whether to call my bet. And my bet was a substantial bet.

"For all I knew, he was asking the other players what they folded. He said something smart back to me. . . . I honestly don't remember what it was, but it was not good.

"That's when it almost got physical. I stood up and basically put my finger in his face."

"If the [casino official] hadn't been at the next table, I would have hit him. Because now not only was he cheating, he was being a smart-ass.

"I told him they'd better do something about this - I wasn't going to lose this hand, and I didn't - and that's kind of where it stopped.

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

Biebel's friend, who asks not to be identified to protect her privacy, says there was nothing remarkable about Van der Sloot.

"He was a nice-looking guy who seemed normal enough," she recalls. "He seemed to know everybody there."

While Van der Sloot "was very friendly to everybody," Biebel says, "he was definitely a punk."

He shared this impression with the FBI; he also told agents that he found it hard to believe Van der Sloot had been involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"The timeline didn't work for me," Biebel says. "How cold-blooded could somebody be to do something like that and come in and play poker that night and the next day?"

"I just didn't think that was possible. How do you kill somebody and then come in and play poker?

"He was a punk, yeah. But a killer? No."

That was 2005. Since the Peru slaying, "obviously, now I believe he killed Natalee Holloway," Biebel says.

As for what he calls his "up close" encounter with Van der Sloot, "it's scarier for me to think about it now," Biebel adds.

"Then, I didn't know what I was dealing with."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 15, 2010, 10:59:22 AM


From Tyler's post :
"The government and local citizenry of Aruba, the posters at these horrible websites supporting the vDS family are as guilty of Stephanie's murder as Joran.  Their hands are bloody.  If justice had been rendered in the case of Natalee, and all the moneywhores for Aruba had not gone on the internet bemoaning the sad fate of Joran and falsely denigrating the character of Natalee, Beth, the MB kids, et al, then justice would have prevailed.  Having turned Joran loose and giving him the license to do as he pleased and feel that he could kill with impunity, he struck again.  If Anita and the hacks from Aruba are able to loose him from this, multiple murders will occur.  He was raised to not have a conscience, like his mother.  I am sure she will make up any kind of lie or weave any story to keep her brood from looking like the scum of society that they are."
.
Add Greta, Taco Joe, and any media in the US who paid him for interviews. His ego was inflated, he felt like he got away with it and there were no consequences for him. He was chased like a celeb, wrote a book, opened a business that he didn't take care of and it failed. He went his merry way with his pockets full of cash from his crime against Natalee.     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2010, 11:13:37 AM
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html
(http://media.philly.com/images/20100815_inq_jriordan15-c.JPG)

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010


Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


By Kevin Riordan

Inquirer Columnist

Before Joran van der Sloot became one of the most famous murder suspects in the world, Matthew Biebel nearly threw a punch at him during a poker game.

"You could tell he was a punk," Biebel says, recalling his encounter with Van der Sloot in Aruba on May 30, 2005 - the last day Natalee Holloway was seen alive.

Five years to the day later, a young woman named Stephany Flores Ramirez was found murdered in Van der Sloot's hotel room in Peru. The baby-faced suspect with the dyed buzz cut and dead eyes awaits trial in that case.

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. About a week after Biebel got back from vacation, three cars pulled up unannounced at his Mullica Hill home, disgorging a quartet of FBI agents who proceeded to interview him ("they were professional") for an hour.

"They wanted to know what the fight was about," Biebel says. "They thought that maybe we had had a disagreement about something other than poker.

"They wanted to know what his demeanor was like. They wanted to know if he was disheveled, and I said he looked like any other poker player - cool, calm, and collected."

A 55-year-old Inquirer driver and father of two grown sons, Biebel was in Aruba with a friend. That same weekend, Holloway, 18, was seen at a bar with Van der Sloot; she missed her return flight to the United States, and her body has not been found.

(Although questioned extensively in that case, Van der Sloot was not charged; he later retracted incriminating statements he had made on video and to a TV reporter. Peruvian police say he has confessed to killing Ramirez.)

Van der Sloot shared a poker table with Biebel and his friend May 29 and 30. Although house rules require that English be spoken during games, Van der Sloot frequently chatted with other players in a local language called Papiamento, Biebel says.

"I let it go, but finally there was a pot that was just me and him, and he did it again. I called over the guy who manages the poker room, and I told him that he was breaking the rules. He was told to stop, and he did.

"The next night, the stakes were higher, and I was in a hand with him, and he started doing it again, when he was deciding whether to call my bet. And my bet was a substantial bet.

"For all I knew, he was asking the other players what they folded. He said something smart back to me. . . . I honestly don't remember what it was, but it was not good.

"That's when it almost got physical. I stood up and basically put my finger in his face."

"If the [casino official] hadn't been at the next table, I would have hit him. Because now not only was he cheating, he was being a smart-ass.

"I told him they'd better do something about this - I wasn't going to lose this hand, and I didn't - and that's kind of where it stopped.

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

Biebel's friend, who asks not to be identified to protect her privacy, says there was nothing remarkable about Van der Sloot.

"He was a nice-looking guy who seemed normal enough," she recalls. "He seemed to know everybody there."

While Van der Sloot "was very friendly to everybody," Biebel says, "he was definitely a punk."

He shared this impression with the FBI; he also told agents that he found it hard to believe Van der Sloot had been involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"The timeline didn't work for me," Biebel says. "How cold-blooded could somebody be to do something like that and come in and play poker that night and the next day?"

"I just didn't think that was possible. How do you kill somebody and then come in and play poker?

"He was a punk, yeah. But a killer? No."

That was 2005. Since the Peru slaying, "obviously, now I believe he killed Natalee Holloway," Biebel says.

As for what he calls his "up close" encounter with Van der Sloot, "it's scarier for me to think about it now," Biebel adds.

"Then, I didn't know what I was dealing with."



Another Monkey sent this to me,  ::MonkeyKiss::

Same incident?  I think it could be.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0

On June 13th 2005 at about 10:20 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE

snip

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the  surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water". (Edit to change color from red to navy-MB)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 15, 2010, 01:06:29 PM
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html
(http://media.philly.com/images/20100815_inq_jriordan15-c.JPG)

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010


Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


By Kevin Riordan

Inquirer Columnist

Before Joran van der Sloot became one of the most famous murder suspects in the world, Matthew Biebel nearly threw a punch at him during a poker game.

"You could tell he was a punk," Biebel says, recalling his encounter with Van der Sloot in Aruba on May 30, 2005 - the last day Natalee Holloway was seen alive.

Five years to the day later, a young woman named Stephany Flores Ramirez was found murdered in Van der Sloot's hotel room in Peru. The baby-faced suspect with the dyed buzz cut and dead eyes awaits trial in that case.

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. About a week after Biebel got back from vacation, three cars pulled up unannounced at his Mullica Hill home, disgorging a quartet of FBI agents who proceeded to interview him ("they were professional") for an hour.

"They wanted to know what the fight was about," Biebel says. "They thought that maybe we had had a disagreement about something other than poker.

"They wanted to know what his demeanor was like. They wanted to know if he was disheveled, and I said he looked like any other poker player - cool, calm, and collected."

A 55-year-old Inquirer driver and father of two grown sons, Biebel was in Aruba with a friend. That same weekend, Holloway, 18, was seen at a bar with Van der Sloot; she missed her return flight to the United States, and her body has not been found.

(Although questioned extensively in that case, Van der Sloot was not charged; he later retracted incriminating statements he had made on video and to a TV reporter. Peruvian police say he has confessed to killing Ramirez.)

Van der Sloot shared a poker table with Biebel and his friend May 29 and 30. Although house rules require that English be spoken during games, Van der Sloot frequently chatted with other players in a local language called Papiamento, Biebel says.

"I let it go, but finally there was a pot that was just me and him, and he did it again. I called over the guy who manages the poker room, and I told him that he was breaking the rules. He was told to stop, and he did.

"The next night, the stakes were higher, and I was in a hand with him, and he started doing it again, when he was deciding whether to call my bet. And my bet was a substantial bet.

"For all I knew, he was asking the other players what they folded. He said something smart back to me. . . . I honestly don't remember what it was, but it was not good.

"That's when it almost got physical. I stood up and basically put my finger in his face."

"If the [casino official] hadn't been at the next table, I would have hit him. Because now not only was he cheating, he was being a smart-ass.

"I told him they'd better do something about this - I wasn't going to lose this hand, and I didn't - and that's kind of where it stopped.

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

Biebel's friend, who asks not to be identified to protect her privacy, says there was nothing remarkable about Van der Sloot.

"He was a nice-looking guy who seemed normal enough," she recalls. "He seemed to know everybody there."

While Van der Sloot "was very friendly to everybody," Biebel says, "he was definitely a punk."

He shared this impression with the FBI; he also told agents that he found it hard to believe Van der Sloot had been involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"The timeline didn't work for me," Biebel says. "How cold-blooded could somebody be to do something like that and come in and play poker that night and the next day?"

"I just didn't think that was possible. How do you kill somebody and then come in and play poker?

"He was a punk, yeah. But a killer? No."

That was 2005. Since the Peru slaying, "obviously, now I believe he killed Natalee Holloway," Biebel says.

As for what he calls his "up close" encounter with Van der Sloot, "it's scarier for me to think about it now," Biebel adds.

"Then, I didn't know what I was dealing with."



Another Monkey sent this to me,  ::MonkeyKiss::

Same incident?  I think it could be.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0

On June 13th 2005 at about 10:20 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE

snip

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the  surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water". (Edit to change color from red to navy-MB)

[/i]

I'd say YES.  Deepak's June 13, 2005 statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 15, 2010, 03:37:55 PM
Where can I find the list of witness statements?  I have looked and looked.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 15, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Where can I find the list of witness statements?  I have looked and looked.

Not sure where they are here. But, you can go to:

www.hollowaycase.com

then: Reference-Civil case- Kalpoe Filing


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 15, 2010, 05:31:55 PM
Where can I find the list of witness statements?  I have looked and looked.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=678.msg167574#msg167574


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 15, 2010, 05:35:54 PM
Thank you both! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 15, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
I hope Joran kills himself like Craigslist killer Philip Markoff.  Markoff was a sociopath just like Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 15, 2010, 11:13:27 PM
I hope Joran kills himself like Craigslist killer Philip Markoff.  Markoff was a sociopath just like Joran.
Joran is too big a coward to kill himself. I hope he lives in utter fear before his "neighbors" take of his problem for him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 15, 2010, 11:37:12 PM
I hope Joran kills himself like Craigslist killer Philip Markoff.  Markoff was a sociopath just like Joran.
Joran is too big a coward to kill himself. I hope he lives in utter fear before his "neighbors" take of his problem for him.

I see them both as cowards either way...nonetheless....sotospeak...smo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 16, 2010, 07:21:27 AM
Those Kalpoes should think of all the complex trouble they're going to be in when that multiple murderer starts throwing them to the wolves.  Maybe not today, or the week that passes next (does anyone remember how that saying goes?), but their day for accountability is coming.
Hi, Sweetie, I have missed you here.
I imagine you are thing, 'Bless their hearts' about the Kalpoe boys. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 16, 2010, 07:25:13 AM
The bill payer is the lying liars of Aruba and their lying leadership that is leading them down a path to destruction.  Incidentally, I found this and felt it might (probably not) be of interest to anyone interested in the socioeconomics of Peru, where beloved Joran now resides.  Incidentally, included in the article, right upper hand, is a picture of someone I believe to be Anita vdSloot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10960389
Well, if it is NOT her -- it's a dead ringer!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Yup, it's a dead ringer, literally.
I love you wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 16, 2010, 08:29:57 AM
The bill payer is the lying liars of Aruba and their lying leadership that is leading them down a path to destruction.  Incidentally, I found this and felt it might (probably not) be of interest to anyone interested in the socioeconomics of Peru, where beloved Joran now resides.  Incidentally, included in the article, right upper hand, is a picture of someone I believe to be Anita vdSloot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10960389
Well, if it is NOT her -- it's a dead ringer!!  ::MonkeyCool::
Yup, it's a dead ringer, literally.
I love you wreck.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 16, 2010, 12:07:34 PM
This may have already been posted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38659544/ns/world_news-europe

Venezuela deports Dutch man wanted in drug case
updated 8/11/2010 12:09:08 PM ET

 CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuela deported three people Wednesday to face drug trafficking cases in the Netherlands, Aruba and Peru.

Dutch citizen Marcelino Kerkeboom Glenn hung his head, hiding his face as he was led to a vehicle at Caracas' international airport. Venezuelan authorities say he is wanted for allegedly smuggling more than a ton of cocaine to the Netherlands.

Dutch prosecution spokesman Reinout den Haan confirmed a Dutch suspect was being turned over but wouldn't confirm his name due to Dutch privacy laws. Officials said the man had been sentenced to 12 years in prison in Amsterdam and had about a year and a half left when he failed to return from a furlough.

The Dutch issued an international arrest warrant and the man was detained last month after requesting a passport in Venezuela.

Also deported were Colombian Gloria Chavez Ceballos — wanted in Aruba for allegedly trafficking Colombian cocaine to the United States — and Aldo Enrique Forero, a Peruvian former police officer wanted in Peru for allegedly trafficking cocaine to the United States.

Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami said all three were captured last month and that their deportation demonstrates Venezuela's commitment to counter-drug efforts.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 16, 2010, 12:29:12 PM
A Mother's Anquish

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 114/115:
  Since entrusting Natalee's care to God, I welcome sleep when I can get it.  Nothing in my dreams is worse than my waking hours.  Ironically, sleep takes me out of the nightmare.  No question though, the lack of sleep is having an effect.  After holding it together all day, in front of others and in front of TV cameras, night is when emotions spiral out of control.

Feeling was unleased at the Cross, and it is a being of its own.  It can soothe me, and it can torment me.  It empowers me.  Yet I throw things when I'm alone in the room.  Shoes, Apples from a fruit basket.  Whatever is within reach when the urge strikes.  Sometimes the crying is inconsolable, and I hug the purple duffel bag.  Over and over I just hug it.

When Jug and I are in Natalee's room by ourselves, we kneel and pray together for her, staring at her picture on the bedside table.  We keep the light on.  Just like all parents do when they're waiting for their children to come home.

Another day passes.  And tomorrow and the next day and the next we'll put on our game faces and do it all over gain until we find her.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 16, 2010, 12:37:34 PM
van der Sloot gets a prison "neighbor"
Last Update: 8/15 11:02 pm 


van der Sloot may not be the most notorious prisoner in Peru's Castro Castro prison.  He's been joined by American William Trickett Smith, a Pennsylvanian charged with murdering his Peruvian wife in a crime local newspapers call the "Suitcase Murder."  Smith is accused of killing his wife, putting her dismembered body in a suitcase and throwing the suitcase in the ocean.  Smith was extradited to Peru from the U.S. after a several years legal battle. 

The Lima newspaper El Commercio says Smith is in an isolated area of the Castro Castro prison, near the Colombian hit man Trujillo Hugo Ospina and the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot

The so-called Suitcase Murder has evoked a similar outcry in Peru to van der Sloot's case....a well to do foreigner accused of killing a local woman.  Van der Sloot is accused of murdering 21 year old Stephany Flores who was found dead in his Lima hotel room.  Flores' body was discovered five years to the day to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to Aruba and was last seen in van der Sloot's company.

Federal law enforcement officials here in Alabama have indicted van der Sloot on wire fraud and extortion charges after he allegedly asked for money in exchange for information about Natalee's fate.  He provided no such information after taking the money.  The U.S. is apparently waiting in line behind Peruvian officials who have indicted van der Sloot with Flore's murder.  Such murder cases in Peru can take years to prosecute.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-gets-a-prison-neighbor/sFMWJUsGAk-TlMGj-bAQng.cspx


Beth Holloway

It's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 16, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
ARUBA

JUSTICE LURKS...

AROUND EACH,AND EVERY CORNER...

TICK_TOCK

 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jo-An on August 16, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Death penalty for Joran?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7412826/__Peru_wil_doodstraf_weer_invoeren__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

Google Translation

Peru wants to reintroduce capital punishment

LIMA - Peruvian President Alan Garcia wants to reintroduce the death penalty in his country in an attempt to halt a crime.

"I am among those who believe that certain crimes should be paid to the life, let Garcia know Monday. Including killing and rape of children would be eligible for capital punishment. "I'd be willing to execute 50 rapists," the president said.
The AD reports that "according to one expert, it's not inconceivable that Joran van der Sloot is eligible for the death penalty. But a possible death sentence for Van der Sloot, who is trapped in the disputed Castro Castro prison in Lima, is as yet no question. Van der Sloot is suspected of murdering the 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores.
Currently, the only South American country in wartime treason punishable by death. Garcia did in 2006 though an attempt to reintroduce the death penalty, but then stranded.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 16, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
Those Kalpoes should think of all the complex trouble they're going to be in when that multiple murderer starts throwing them to the wolves.  Maybe not today, or the week that passes next (does anyone remember how that saying goes?), but their day for accountability is coming.
Hi, Sweetie, I have missed you here.
I imagine you are thing, 'Bless their hearts' about the Kalpoe boys. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Sorry, meant thinking, not thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jo-An on August 16, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
More from http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/505585/2010/08/16/Van-der-Sloot-loopt-risico-doodstraf-te-krijgen.dhtml

Google translation:

'Van der Sloot at risk death penalty'

Peru president is correct in 50 rapists

LIMA - Peruvian President Alan Garcia wants to reintroduce the death penalty in crime in an attempt to stifle the country. Should capital punishment be reintroduced, it runs Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), who is suspected of murder, the risk to get this punishment.

Stephany Flores was strangled by Van der Sloot in a hotel in Lima.

"I am among those who believe that certain crimes should be paid to the life," Garcia told reporters today. Including killing and rape of children would be eligible for capital punishment. "I'd be willing to execute 50 rapists," the president said. Currently, the only South American country in wartime treason punishable by death.

Joran van der Sloot
The Peruvian Miguel Castro Castro prison stay, the Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot (22). Van der Sloot is in custody on suspicion of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores. According to one expert, it is not inconceivable that if the president gets his way, the Dutchman is also eligible for the death penalty.

China
An example looks at the social democratic-oriented president to China, which last year 5000 criminals were executed.
Garcia has already in 2006 the use of the death penalty for acts of violence prompted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
Thanks Jo-An


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 16, 2010, 07:18:18 PM
Just stopping in to say "hello" to y'all!  A special "hello" to you, Misgivings!  You're right, I'm blessing their feeble, misguided, criminal minds to kingdom come.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 16, 2010, 07:23:07 PM
And, just an interesting point to me:  I read back a bit, and saw where someone commented that Stephany's murder was taking precedence over the U.S. case and thought to myself "As well it should"; then, I noticed San's post wishing that multiple murderer would commit suicide and I thought to myself, "he's too much of a coward to do that"; I noticed, in each case posts following each of those that voiced my exact thoughts--great minds, WRECK!  Put a tiara on that skeletal head of yours!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 16, 2010, 07:24:24 PM
Thanks for that information, JoAnn; long live the President of Peru!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 16, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
Look at that; I am still the fastest typist in here!  lol  OK, see y'all later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2010, 08:39:16 PM
And, just an interesting point to me:  I read back a bit, and saw where someone commented that Stephany's murder was taking precedence over the U.S. case and thought to myself "As well it should"; then, I noticed San's post wishing that multiple murderer would commit suicide and I thought to myself, "he's too much of a coward to do that"; I noticed, in each case posts following each of those that voiced my exact thoughts--great minds, WRECK!  Put a tiara on that skeletal head of yours!


Where have you been?  I agree with you, Joran will never commit suicide. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2010, 09:59:28 PM
http://www.examiner.com/international-headlines-in-national/joran-van-der-sloot-faces-more-legal-battles-sex-trafficking-charges-thailand-3

Joran van der Sloot faces more legal battles: Sex trafficking charges in Thailand
August 15th, 2010 11:30 pm

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Joran van der Sloot, Natalee Holloway, and Stephany Ramirez
Photo: CBS
August 15, 2010 - Joran van der Sloot has had run-ins with the law in four countries: Peru where he was charged with the brutal murder of young Peruvian woman last May; Aruba where he is suspected of kidnapping a U.S. teen from Aruba; U.S. where he was charged with extortion in the missing U.S. teen’s case; and now in Thailand where he faces criminal charges for sex trafficking.

The National Enquirer reported on van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in sex trafficking in Thailand earlier this month.

According to CBS News, Peru’s minister of justice has now confirmed that Thai authorities are pursuing criminal charges against van der Sloot for his alleged involvement with sex trafficking.

According to the Enquirer some of the girls he allegedly approached have disappeared and have never been found.

According to Harold Copus, a former FBI agent who was once hired to investigate the Holloway case by the “Dr. Phil”show said van der Sloot is believed to have been the middle man. Thai authorities are working to confirm if this is true.

“In the sex slave industry, the middle man would get a fee for getting the girls and moving them around,” said Copus, now head of Copus Security Consultants in Atlanta.

AOL News reported that during his own investigation in Aruba, Copus heard rumors that "girls were taken out of Aruba to be used in the sex trade," he said. "There was supposedly a guy from Chicago there, a reputed mobster, who has been quoted as saying that a good [sex slave] is worth a quarter of a million dollars."

Copus told AOL News that while there is a possibility that Holloway, if kidnapped, was sold into slavery, he doubts she would still be alive today.

"Usually they'll dope the girls up so they have no concept of what they are doing," Copus explained, adding that once the women are deemed no longer useful, they often are killed.

"There is another seedy business out there called the snuff trade, where they sell or trade recordings of actual murders," he said. "That's the final exploitation."

AOL News further reported that the National Enquirer's report is not the first time van der Sloot's name has come up during investigations into the illegal sex trade industry.

Van der Sloot was allegedly secretly videotaped in 2008 by a Dutch journalist, Peter de Vries, inside a Bangkok room with two young Thai women and two men who were posing as Dutch sex trade bosses.

Van der Sloot was allegedly telling the women they would be working as models in Holland, but in actuality they would be delivered to the Dutch prostitution market and would make several thousand dollars for each woman he delivered.

"He was in the process of recruiting girls for prostitution ... that is what we saw [in the video]," Copus said. "What we didn't see was what was going to happen if the girls didn't want to be a prostitute. There's a lot of concern here as to what his intentions were."

Not long after the video aired, van der Sloot appeared on the Fox News program "On the Record With Greta Van Susteren." During the interview, he told Van Susteren he had sold Holloway to a mysterious stranger on a boat for $9,600.

"He just handed me a bag, grabbed [Natalee] by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water," van der Sloot said.

But like other confessions he allegedly has made, van der Sloot later contacted Van Susteren and said the story was a lie

Police in Peru said van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year-old Stephany Ramirez in his hotel room in Peru last May. He then redacted his statement, but the judge upheld it and his attorney promises an appeal.

If charges are filed against van der Sloot in Thailand authorities say they will have to wait until the murder case is wrapped up in Peru. He is being held on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in Stephany’s murder.

If convicted of Flores’ murder van der Sloot faces 15 to 35 years in prison.

Van der Sloot has also been indicted by U.S. authorities for allegedly extorting $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s family for information on her death and the location of her body.

There was concern that a conviction in Peru could mean van der Sloot won’t face charges in the U.S. or Thailand because of the statute of limitation. But according to Steve Cron, a veteran criminal defense attorney in Santa Monica, Calif., that won’t be a problem.

"Assuming he is convicted [in Peru], these other countries are going to make arrangements to have him flown [in] to stand trial, with the understanding that he'll be returned to Peru once the trials are over," Cron told AOL News. "Then, once Peru is done with him, he'll have to go serve out any other remaining sentences in the other countries."

Cron said, “This kid’s going to be facing a lot of legal battles in the coming years.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 16, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
And, just an interesting point to me:  I read back a bit, and saw where someone commented that Stephany's murder was taking precedence over the U.S. case and thought to myself "As well it should"; then, I noticed San's post wishing that multiple murderer would commit suicide and I thought to myself, "he's too much of a coward to do that"; I noticed, in each case posts following each of those that voiced my exact thoughts--great minds, WRECK!  Put a tiara on that skeletal head of yours!


Where have you been?  I agree with you, Joran will never commit suicide. 

You are both right.  When I saw that the other guy killed himself and he was a sociopath I just wished Joran would do it also.  I would rather see him die at someone elses hands.  It would be very fitting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 16, 2010, 11:58:18 PM
And, just an interesting point to me:  I read back a bit, and saw where someone commented that Stephany's murder was taking precedence over the U.S. case and thought to myself "As well it should"; then, I noticed San's post wishing that multiple murderer would commit suicide and I thought to myself, "he's too much of a coward to do that"; I noticed, in each case posts following each of those that voiced my exact thoughts--great minds, WRECK!  Put a tiara on that skeletal head of yours!


Where have you been?  I agree with you, Joran will never commit suicide. 

You are both right.  When I saw that the other guy killed himself and he was a sociopath I just wished Joran would do it also.  I would rather see him die at someone elses hands.  It would be very fitting.
Hello Monkeys,
The monster is so coward that he can not even say the truth. I really hope that he will never get out of castro a castro....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 17, 2010, 12:55:37 AM
Hello!  Hey, where are all of y'all??  Get back in here!

Hello, Klaasend!  I've been in the North Carolina mountains, also a couple of trips to Georgia, a trip to Alabama, and a few shifts in the NICU.  Also, busy with this house, as usual--plus we've (and I use that term loosely, as the worker "we" in his house, for things having to do with the house, is me) have been having the yard resodded--now, there's a money-making career if anybody is wondering how to get rich.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 17, 2010, 05:39:01 AM
cecilita- ITA Joran is a coward.  And I hope he never leaves Castro Castro too. 

Hello Darleen  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2010, 09:23:22 AM
Like many others, after all these years I still get Natalee breaking news alerts.  I never tire of this one:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/natalee-holloway-suspect-may-face-death-penalty

Natalee Holloway suspect may face death penalty

Published on 17 August 2010 - 9:38am



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 17, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
The possibility that the suspect Dutchman, Joran van der Sloot, is sentenced to the death penalty in Peru is almost zero. The South American country in 1979 abolished the death penalty. However, Peruvian President Alan Garcia, reintroduicr balances the idea of capital punishment, especially for child rapists and murderers.

Hans de Vreij

With that statement of intent, many Peruvian media and the Netherlands immediately drew the conclusion that Joran van der Sloot would be sentenced to death for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, charge that must appear in court .
If Peru were to reintroduce the death penalty can not be applied retroactively as required by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, ratified by Peru.
 
The country is in effect the American Convention on Human Rights, Article 4 recognizes the right to life and restricts the application of the death penalty. It recognizes that everyone has the inalienable right to respect for his life, a right can be suspended for any reason.
 
Peru In theory could reverse that position, although it also should amend the Constitution, a long and complicated process. In addition, these measures would have profound implications for Peru's international image. In short, the possibility that Joran van der Sloot county is the death penalty is possible in theory but in practice it is almost unthinkable.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/%C2%BFpena-de-muerte-para-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 17, 2010, 10:15:31 AM
Gringo murderer
The Owl tells how the American William Trickett Smith II Trujillo killed his wife.


The American William Trickett Smith not only murdered his wife Claudia Jana Gomez Menendez Trujillo (19), July 8, 2007. When entering the body in a suitcase, with the help of a fisherman, anchored in the gray sea of Chorrillos. He also killed the hopes and the will to live of the parents of Jana.

The gringo showed his cruelty to speak with complete naturalness with his in-laws, who claimed "that he knew nothing of his wife." Even playing the role of the husband devastated, wondering if the young Northern "would not have run off with another." Even that was a sadist, because that suggestion increased the pain of the parents of the deceased.

One day she took a plane and went to America, thinking that never discover his crime. But nature took care to do justice in this case. Proceeds from the earthquake in Pisco, the suitcase anchored and half buried in the sea of the Costa Verde surfaced and was beached Las Cascadas. There, a fisherman thought to find some treasure or items of value in this case strongly adjusted by thick ropes and locks. When opened, there was a macabre image. The body of a woman in a state of decomposition.

For a tattoo on her neck, the beleaguered parents recognized his beloved daughter. The murderer, with great cynicism, denied everything from North America and came to blame "a lover of his wife." But the fisherman and a friend of the gringo, deceived by this, who said that in "a suitcase full of worthless paper was that he wanted to undo", which accused him and took the bag to anchor at sea.

His first psychological analysis show him as an aggressive type. He has been detained in the prison "Castro Castro", in environments where hyenas are also others like him: Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, "Clown" and the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot.

The curly strangled Myriam Fefer and Joran to Stephany Flores. However, in prison, the U.S. avoids it. He is being held in the cell occupied by the mayor Luis Valdez. Understandably, they're like jackals, and wild animals. Sniff and smell danger. Those three alone sleep with one eye closed. They are murderers by nature. Negligible. Turn off the TV.

http://trome.pe/noticia/624113/gringo-asesino


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: DPJ on August 17, 2010, 01:00:11 PM
Like many others, after all these years I still get Natalee breaking news alerts.  I never tire of this one:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/natalee-holloway-suspect-may-face-death-penalty

Natalee Holloway suspect may face death penalty

Published on 17 August 2010 - 9:38am
RNW have already removed the story and to be fair it didn't really hold any water.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 17, 2010, 02:24:31 PM
Couldn't happen to a nicer island.

http://www.arubatoday.com/

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/lionfish2.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/lionsfish3.jpg)

Spreading Lionfish Invasion Threat to Aruba 
Local News 
Monday, 16 August 2010 
 




HADICURARI - Friday August 13th 2010 fishing center Hadicurari organized the first information evening regarding the Lionfish invasion in Aruba.  The presentation was done by Mr. A. Ho a marine biology PhD candidate from Aruba who has recently finished a research study in the waters around Aruba before returning to Florida. October of 2009 the first sightings of the Lionfish were reported in the ABC islands. Aruba is the island that so far has been the least affected in the sense that compared to the other two islands the sightings in Aruba have not been more than 50 so far while in Bonaire the numbers caught has exceeded 300.  Over the past six months several articles have been printed and even a few news segments on television has been dedicated to this invasive species that is becoming a serious menace to the marine ecology systems and humans. This past week one dive operator reported one Lionfish, which might have been the largest one spotted so far, reaching almost 45cm. This is generally the maximum size for mature adults.
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 17, 2010, 02:42:08 PM
Like many others, after all these years I still get Natalee breaking news alerts.  I never tire of this one:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/natalee-holloway-suspect-may-face-death-penalty

Natalee Holloway suspect may face death penalty

Published on 17 August 2010 - 9:38am
RNW have already removed the story and to be fair it didn't really hold any water.

The spanish version that Northern Rose posted is still up.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/%C2%BFpena-de-muerte-para-joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

I still read daily, every post, just don't always log in as I don't have any new news/

I am quite happy with the way this story is staying in the news.  Aruba is revealing its true self more all the time.  They are self-destructing right in front of our eyes.

May well be that Karma thing after all, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: DPJ on August 17, 2010, 03:00:05 PM
Like many others, after all these years I still get Natalee breaking news alerts.  I never tire of this one:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/natalee-holloway-suspect-may-face-death-penalty

Natalee Holloway suspect may face death penalty

Published on 17 August 2010 - 9:38am
RNW have already removed the story and to be fair it didn't really hold any water.

The spanish version that Northern Rose posted is still up.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/%C2%BFpena-de-muerte-para-joran-van-der-sloot
Yes and rightly so as it's a different and more realistic story than the dutch and english one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
Like many others, after all these years I still get Natalee breaking news alerts.  I never tire of this one:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/natalee-holloway-suspect-may-face-death-penalty

Natalee Holloway suspect may face death penalty

Published on 17 August 2010 - 9:38am
RNW have already removed the story and to be fair it didn't really hold any water.

The spanish version that Northern Rose posted is still up.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/%C2%BFpena-de-muerte-para-joran-van-der-sloot


Joran has not yet gone to trail.  So they shouldn't be so sure this can't be enacted prior to his official trail and applied.

Interesting how the Dutch are so concerned with sparing the life of Joran but didn't give a flip about his victims, not even enough to pressure Aruba into prosecuting him when he murdered Natalee.  It's like saying the life of one Dutchman is worth more than that of an American and any and all future victims.  How can we see this other than arrogant?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
Trail s/b trial.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 03:13:09 PM
A life sentence for Joran for committing murder during a robbery should be sufficient.

The extreme cold, pneumonia and other disease prevalence and even now rabies from vampire bats as well as Joran's own personality stack the odds against his survival.  As the fellow poker player stated, Joran is such a punk he will never survive once released into the general population as he can't keep his arrogant mouth shut.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
TxMom, I couldn't help but note Alex Matthews was using his walker suddenly once again.

Odd how he didn't need it for his grand opening, etc.


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Guess he was just reminding them not to violate his human rights again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: DPJ on August 17, 2010, 03:16:18 PM
Joran has not yet gone to trail.  So they shouldn't be so sure this can't be enacted prior to his official trail and applied.
Yes they can and the spanish article partly explains why so that's why they removed the dutch and english one and kept this different one on their website.

Joran will face tough charges and a severe penalty -and rightly so- but not the death penalty like the article suggested.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
And never is the history of Latin America has a sentence been enhanced by Presidential Decree or Executive Order!


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joran's sentence will be what Peru says it will be.  And they aren't too concerned with what others have to say about that. 

But nothing will be needed in that regard in the instance of the punk vd Sloot.  Joran is finally beyond the reach of his coddlers.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2010, 04:17:00 PM
Regardless of what the story line is about the new crockumentary, I think they were already well into production with their bashing when the news that Joran was arrested again along with the incriminating evidence came out.

Too late to stop it and so they are stuck with their Christmas cake long after the holiday.

Stale and useless now.  It will only reinforce the fact that one should not go there in the first place.

Only the most stupid would still be trying to blame the victim.  Yes, that would be the Arubans and those from the NL helping them with their tin ears.

At least the world is coming to realize and recognize what kind of people inhabit that island and the lenghts they will go to to try and preserve their sacred tourism.  Your life and reputation mean nothing and can be snuffed out, both of them, on a whim.  They will refuse to collect evidence then pretend there was none.

Tricks even a child can and will see through.

Have a nice evening, Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2010, 06:20:44 PM
Joran has not yet gone to trail.  So they shouldn't be so sure this can't be enacted prior to his official trail and applied.
Yes they can and the spanish article partly explains why so that's why they removed the dutch and english one and kept this different one on their website.

Joran will face tough charges and a severe penalty -and rightly so- but not the death penalty like the article suggested.

Yes, we all know he's not likely to get the death penalty but I still enjoy seeing it in print  ::MonkeyDevil:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 17, 2010, 06:30:25 PM
Joran has not yet gone to trail.  So they shouldn't be so sure this can't be enacted prior to his official trail and applied.
Yes they can and the spanish article partly explains why so that's why they removed the dutch and english one and kept this different one on their website.

Joran will face tough charges and a severe penalty -and rightly so- but not the death penalty like the article suggested.

Yes, we all know he's not likely to get the death penalty but I still enjoy seeing it in print  ::MonkeyDevil:: 
No worries my friends ........ ANY sentence will mean "death penalty" in Peru. He won't survive. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 17, 2010, 06:32:13 PM
Joran has not yet gone to trail.  So they shouldn't be so sure this can't be enacted prior to his official trail and applied.
Yes they can and the spanish article partly explains why so that's why they removed the dutch and english one and kept this different one on their website.

Joran will face tough charges and a severe penalty -and rightly so- but not the death penalty like the article suggested.

Yes, we all know he's not likely to get the death penalty but I still enjoy seeing it in print  ::MonkeyDevil:: 
No worries my friends ........ ANY sentence will mean "death penalty" in Peru. He won't survive. ::MonkeyGavel::
He will be WISHING they actually did have Capital Punishment -- it would be much more humane and painless the way he is going to go at the hands of other prisoners!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Exactly Wreck  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76743.php

Google translation:


ARUBA
OM: "Dorbeck not shoot '
August 17, 2010, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An autopsy showed that the 67-year-old John William Dorbeck indeed a crime to killed.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) would only say that the victim was not shot, as previously suggested in the media. What the exact cause of death, to the Public "in the interest of the investigation" does not say. The investigation is still in a very early stage, "said Justice. The prosecutor will therefore not too much information public.

Last Sunday was the technical search again searched the house in Dorbeck Cabay Cura. It was a 'broad service search, "says Angela Ann, spokesman for the OM. "It was particularly to examine the records of the victim." Dorbeck had a rental company for tools. He was found dead Aug. 10 his house and shop in Cura Cabay. To the motive for the murder affected the judiciary still in the dark. They also have no specific suspect in mind. However, they are looking for clients of the victim. Especially those in July and August have rented equipment Dorbeck are invited to search the San Nicolas to report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 06:53:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76748.php

Google translation:

"Possible death penalty for Joran '

August 17, 2010, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The murder suspect Joran van der Sloot might still be sentenced to death. This letter several foreign media in response to statements by the Peruvian President Alan Garcia. The president declared public that he wants to re-introduce capital punishment in his country.

Reuters writes that, according to an expert in the Peruvian newspaper Horas Libre's not inconceivable that the Dutchman is also eligible for capital punishment. " Legal obstacles, however, make it 'unlikely' that the death penalty on short-term returns as a punitive measure in the Peruvian legal system, lawyers said in the media. Joran currently resides in the heavily fortified Miguel Castro Castro prison. He is in custody on suspicion of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Should he be convicted for robbery, hanged him with the current legislation a maximum penalty of 35 years above the head. The death penalty since 1979 only in the case of high treason in wartime.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 07:02:43 PM

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76708.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Mathew lashes out at OM
August 16, 2010, 13:08 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The suspected of trafficking Alex Mathew, through his lawyer Edwin Duijn Field substantially removed to the Public Prosecutor (OM). The owner of Foxy Lady strip club, said to have suspicions that he is "now the government of former director KIA, Fokking, he allegedly assaulted, was returned to power at any cost should be prosecuted."

These assumptions are mainly fed, says lawyer Duijn Field behalf of his client, now those are the two Ukrainian women who had made declarations of human beings, were allowed to leave the island. This while his partner Mathew and these women are charged with making a false declaration. Duijn Field says, very surprised because one of the women had lied under oath. It would be for the court have admitted that they got a visa for Aruba, knowing that she was using a false document.

Mathew was last week brought back to Aruba after a short stay in prison in Bonaire. That happened just after his lawyer brought suit for a short him back to Aruba to get. The prosecution showed on Friday that a risk analysis showed that it was no longer necessary to imprison him in Bonaire. Mathew was the justice of your home as a precaution because he was flown by a long way would maintain contacts with police officers and prison guards from the Aruban KIA. But his aggressive history played a role in justice. He was previously convicted of violent crimes in 2001 and spent the interim KIA Director Ben King (formerly Ben Vocking) serious bodily injury.

Mathew is now suspected that there is more behind his arrest. The truth will come out, let his lawyer to know, "and not the truth that the Public Ministry (controlled?) Present in the courtroom.
-------------------------------------------------------

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76742.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

OM Mathew denies accusation

August 17, 2010, 13:40 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) emphatically denies the allegations of Alex Mathew, owner of Foxy Lady strip club, that justice to him "at all costs' will continue.

"There is obviously no question that we suspect at the insistence of Ben King of political prosecution," said Chief Peter Blanken outraged. He finds the statements lawyer Edwin Mathew Duijn Field behalf of his client did "extremely rude towards the OM. Whites said the investigation into the suspect started following the declaration of an Eastern European woman. Moreover, says the chief, we received signals that he is allegedly involved in trafficking. The discussion on the departure of two Ukrainian victims from Aruba, also boosted by Duijn Field, the trial would be conducted, not in media, says whites. Mathew has announced that in turn these women want to sue because making "false declarations".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 07:06:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76706.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Ten arrests in drug controls nightlife

August 16, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/16-drugscontroles-pag-3.gif)

The police are now planning to more massive checks to keep the night life.

ORANGE CITY - Ten people are this weekend in the entertainment district of Palm Beach was arrested for possessing drugs. This occurred during a major control operation of the police, customs and military police.

At the same action were also quantities of marijuana, cocaine, knives and other knives were seized. The action is part of the efforts of the police to the rise of crime and crime on the island at bay. Palm Beach will often visit of justice, like other districts, as promised the police. "It is enough. Respect for law and order must return, "said Police Commissioner Trudy Hassell.
The action took place in the night from Saturday to Sunday. Police were represented by officers on bicycles, on motorcycles and in patrol cars. The sniffer dogs helped them. At the same time kept the police, traffic controls along the Sasakiweg. A total of 28 penalties were handed out to motorists who cause too hard, whose car lights not working or that their papers were not in order. Some cars even after the recording of minutes dragged away.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 07:40:07 PM
TxMom, I couldn't help but note Alex Matthews was using his walker suddenly once again.

Odd how he didn't need it for his grand opening, etc.


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Guess he was just reminding them not to violate his human rights again.

The picture from Bondia?  I'm wondering if that wasn't just an old picture.  He didn't have a walker or even seem to need one going up all those steps in the Awe24 video.

I'd hate to know I had to go up those steps blindfolded.   ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4090&offId=100&offDate=2010-8



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2010, 08:30:31 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2010, 09:18:47 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 17, 2010, 10:33:58 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

http://www.facebook.com

Tito Lacle shooting case na di Cura Cabai: source: cops
August 10 at 7:36 pm · Share
Kelly Reymundo Update please!
August 10 at 8:40 pm
Margaret Wever shoots Oh, darn guns.
August 10 at 10:50 pm




http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76743.php

Google translation:


ARUBA
OM: "Dorbeck not shoot '
August 17, 2010, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An autopsy showed that the 67-year-old John William Dorbeck indeed a crime to killed.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) would only say that the victim was not shot, as previously suggested in the media. What the exact cause of death, to the Public "in the interest of the investigation" does not say. The investigation is still in a very early stage, "said Justice. The prosecutor will therefore not too much information public.

Last Sunday was the technical search again searched the house in Dorbeck Cabay Cura. It was a 'broad service search, "says Angela Ann, spokesman for the OM. "It was particularly to examine the records of the victim." Dorbeck had a rental company for tools. He was found dead Aug. 10 his house and shop in Cura Cabay. To the motive for the murder affected the judiciary still in the dark. They also have no specific suspect in mind. However, they are looking for clients of the victim. Especially those in July and August have rented equipment Dorbeck are invited to search the San Nicolas to report.



Thanks Texasmom, its pretty pathetic when the police can not tell a gun shot from someone that was beat to death. They probably wanted it to be a gun shot so they could call it a suicide.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 17, 2010, 11:10:06 PM
SuzieQ,

Yes, he's the one from the equipment rental business that was murdered.

I haven't seen much about that in the news since the night of the murder.  I don't think Amigoe reported on it at all, or maybe I missed it.

Some say he was shot...

http://www.facebook.com

Tito Lacle shooting case na di Cura Cabai: source: cops
August 10 at 7:36 pm · Share
Kelly Reymundo Update please!
August 10 at 8:40 pm
Margaret Wever shoots Oh, darn guns.
August 10 at 10:50 pm




http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76743.php

Google translation:


ARUBA
OM: "Dorbeck not shoot '
August 17, 2010, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An autopsy showed that the 67-year-old John William Dorbeck indeed a crime to killed.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) would only say that the victim was not shot, as previously suggested in the media. What the exact cause of death, to the Public "in the interest of the investigation" does not say. The investigation is still in a very early stage, "said Justice. The prosecutor will therefore not too much information public.

Last Sunday was the technical search again searched the house in Dorbeck Cabay Cura. It was a 'broad service search, "says Angela Ann, spokesman for the OM. "It was particularly to examine the records of the victim." Dorbeck had a rental company for tools. He was found dead Aug. 10 his house and shop in Cura Cabay. To the motive for the murder affected the judiciary still in the dark. They also have no specific suspect in mind. However, they are looking for clients of the victim. Especially those in July and August have rented equipment Dorbeck are invited to search the San Nicolas to report.



Thanks Texasmom, its pretty pathetic when the police can not tell a gun shot from someone that was beat to death. They probably wanted it to be a gun shot so they could call it a suicide.
Aruba has always been in denial that the island has ANY guns!! Once again, their "tourism image" drives the bus of their government and press.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 17, 2010, 11:36:48 PM
Speaking of press...I saw this earlier today....Wreck's post made me post it.


Press from Ecuador Impressed with Aruba
 General News     August 16th, 2010
No comments (RSS 2.0)
Representatives of the press of Ecuador recently arrived on a charter flight direct from Quito. From the “Vistazo” and “Aboard” magazines and the “La Television” program, the press covered every aspect of the island, including tourist attractions, activities and restaurants. They received firsthand experience of all that Aruba has to offer. The press members were favorably impressed by the level and quality of service that they received and let it be known that they are sure that Aruba’s tourist product will be favorably received by tourists from Ecuador.

Story courtesy of Awe Mainta

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/press-from-ecuador-impressed-with-aruba/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
 ::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/229.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 18, 2010, 05:24:19 PM
This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 18, 2010, 06:52:27 PM
Magnolia

What do you think about Unreals being Steve Yuhas?  Very similar styles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 18, 2010, 06:53:22 PM
::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/229.zoom3.jpg)
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
Magnolia

What do you think about Unreals being Steve Yuhas?  Very similar styles.

Very possible.  Unreals is as big a freak.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2010, 07:33:27 PM
Not my Words!!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189:
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182/183:
  The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs.  He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda.  But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ...  I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten. ....

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2010, 07:35:12 PM
This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeBlogDutch.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 18, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
Magnolia

What do you think about Unreals being Steve Yuhas?  Very similar styles.

I haven't figured out who Unreals is....but you could be right.  I hadn't thought of that.

I have been intrigued with Resigned theory that "Eric Williams" was actually Andre Dos Santo's father,
posing as an agent.  That one makes sense to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=12190

The circus @ Sizzles 14aug'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=118&id=12190&Itemid=63)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 18, 2010, 07:54:13 PM

THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

Natalee Holloway deserved so much more.  The family deserved so much more.  Those who supported the Persistence endeavor prayfully and monetarily deserved so much more.

+++++++

The Jan 07/08 Recovery and ROV Dives

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand.

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys
______


ROV Dive Image - December 30, 2007

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)

Klaasen


January 7, 2008 - ROV Image - January 7, 2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2345013517_79c1edfb78_o.jpg)

Klaasend



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2010, 09:33:45 PM
http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=12121

LatinNight @ Confessions nightclub 13aug'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=117&id=12121&Itemid=63)

Nicole Arends (Dilma's oldest daughter, second from left)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2010, 10:18:46 PM
Carpe!   ::MonkeyDance::

I've been missing you!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2010, 11:11:47 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

8/18/2010 Aruba Today Page B3

snipped

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08182010_ArubaToday_3B-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on August 19, 2010, 12:20:44 AM
Just stopping in to say "hi" to Muffy, and everyone else. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2010, 12:27:58 AM
http://annagroot.punt.nl/index.php?a=2006-02

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Case%20Related%20Misc/02082006_KarinJanssen_GeraldDompig_photobyAnnaGroot.jpg)

http://www.zimbio.com/Natalee+Holloway/articles/11/Natalee+Holloway+4+years+on

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::

Guido Wever: Male model. Arrested May 2006 (then 19) in Utrecht the Netherlands on suspicion of battering, kidnapping and murder on request of the Aruban authorities who requested his extradiction. Wever was an apprentice croupier at the casino of Natalee’s hotel. He was working at the casino on May 29 2005, the night before NAtalee’s disappearance. After Natalee’s disappearance he was questioned 5 times. His arrest followed incriminating statements made by various former collegues at the casino. Supposedly he had appeared at work, the day after Natalee’s disappearance ‘looking worried’ and stopped working shortly thereafter ‘sooner than was planned’. Witnesses suddenly also remembered 8 months after the facts that he had had some deep scratches. Aided by lawyer Gerard Spong Wever was released 3 days later and though he ‘remained a suspect’, the police never showed any interest in him anymore. Spong mentioned Wever’s homoseksueal orientation as a factor that would make his involvement with an alledged rape turned murder of Natalee as highly unlikely. Rumours say that Natalee is burned in the Crematorium dat Guido’s moeder Yolanda supposedly has on Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2010, 12:37:02 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 19, 2010, 11:31:54 AM
I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.




This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeBlogDutch.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 19, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
Eric Williams - Drug Enforcement Agent

Natalee Holloway's Uncle

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 -
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »

 
When I called the Monday when Beth was first notified that Natalee was missing, I called 3 FBI locations, Wahington DC, and then a neighboring island, I can't spell it but it was Car? where we have a US office.  This was about 1:00PM Monday or so, and one of those offices explained that we had no presence in Aruba, but that we happened to have a US agent there of some kind, I really can't remember the exact type, but that they would contact him, advise him of the situation, I told them that a chaperone was still there, and they assured me he would be ables to assist Beth. This was before Beth even got to Birmingham, she was outside of Memphis.

That is why I have always thought this guy was legit, because I expected him to be there. To be honest, I didn't talk to Beth personally before she got to Aruba, I was left a message with my family, and I didn't talk to her for some time after she got to Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334092;topicseen#msg334092


Jug Twitty

ldstlou
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08
« Reply #925 on: January 29, 2008, 10:48:55 AM »


Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Holloway

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
« Reply #800 on: December 21, 2009, 06:40:22 PM »


Beth said: He was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1041244;topicseen#msg1041244


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 19, 2010, 12:02:04 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100818/capt.43be84b6e0cc42bfab8bb51666661657-43be84b6e0cc42bfab8bb51666661657-0.jpg)

Lori Berenson was arrested by police at the U.S. Embassy, where she was at what her father called a "regular consular meeting" to keep embassy officials apprised of her situation.

"She's calm. She is a very strong woman," her husband and lawyer, Anibal Apari, told reporters outside the embassy. "She is going to return to jail with her baby."

As she was led to a courthouse cell, Berenson carried her son in her arms.

Television footage later showed Berenson being taken to the Chorrillos women's prison in an ambulance. It is common practice in Peru to transfer prisoners in ambulances.

Deputy Justice Minister Luis Marill said the court struck down the May 27 decision that granted Berenson's parole — a decision that was widely unpopular in Peru.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_peru_lori_berenson


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: antunym on August 19, 2010, 12:57:03 PM
I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.




This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeBlogDutch.jpg)

I can't seem to see anything in it either...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 19, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
I should be working but this photo has me intrigued. Here's what I think so far.
It's a picture of sand. Some of it undisturbed, some of it disturbed. The dark areas are not disturbed and the lighter areas are disturbed. I think the dark spots in the lighter area are a dark liquid splatter and I see shovel marks within the lighter area. It looks like a spade shovel was used to drag sand toward the bottom of the photo. Notice there are no splatter spots within what I think are shovel marks. I don't think the view is looking straight down but rather it's at about a 45 degree angle. I have to look at the photo some more, but right now I think the tire/wheel may not be lying on the ground. Instead it's standing up. I don't see any typical automobile body work around the tire/wheel so I suspect if it's not free standing it would be mounted to a 4 wheel drive vehicle where there is not body work that low.
May be later I can spend more time looking at it - I need to get back to work.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 19, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
I think, like the plastic bags, everyone is going to see something different. I can almost see an impression where a body had been with tire tracks running over it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 19, 2010, 02:35:02 PM
I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.




This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeBlogDutch.jpg)


I see a face could this be Natalee licence all torn up?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Blonde on August 19, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1-1.jpg)
origional
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Hollo.jpg)
clicked Negitive
I cropped and darkend then saw a face am I nuts again
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: antunym on August 19, 2010, 04:54:52 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1-1.jpg)
origional
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Hollo.jpg)
clicked Negitive
I cropped and darkend then saw a face am I nuts again
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

Lol you would think we are all nuts with being here trying to make every picture possible and decipher everything that has been written.... why can't we just get an actual piece of evidence that is clear and couldn't be mistaken or guessed for anything else.  Someone open up a big piece of evidence here to get us all scrambling around again lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2010, 09:48:32 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21080-falta-hopi-placa-na-bon-dia-aruba.html

Falta hopi placa na Bon Dia Aruba      
Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:22

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.165.115.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.LOGOS.Bon_Dia_Aruba.JPG)
 
 
Caribbean Speed Printers, e cas editorial y di imprenta di e dos corantnan Bon Dia Aruba y Aruba Today ta haciendo un investigacion financiero debi na falta di sumanan grandi den e compania. For di fuentenan bon na altura nos a compronde cu algun siman pasa a manda e director financiero cas y recientemente a “prohibi entrada” e director general tambe. Ta menciona sumanan grandi cu lo ta perdi, specialmente den e departamento di imprenta cu ta imprimi mas cu un corant na Aruba. Nos lo sigui e desaroyo aki masha di cerca.

Papiamentu translation:

miss quite coin at good morning aruba

thursday, 19 august 2010 20:22

caribbean speed printers, the cas editorial y by print by the two corantnan good morning aruba y aruba today is haciendo one investigacion financiero debi at miss by sumanan big in the compania. for by fuentenan good at altitude we owing to compronde cu some week happen owing to send the director financiero cas y recientemente owing to “prohibi entrada” the director general also. is menciona sumanan big cu will is perdi, specialmente in the departamento by print cu is print more cu one corant at aruba. we will follow the desaroyo here very by close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 19, 2010, 10:05:49 PM
Blonde,

I've been out and about and got home about fifteen minutes ago. My photo software isn't as good as yours. I messed with the contrast and brightness and found this rectangle at the bottom center of the photo. Can you, using your photo software, get more detail out of that area of the photo? I want to know if there is a hand beside the rectangle. And it's probably too much to ask but can you see if you can get more detail on that rectangle - could be a key card.
The tire in the photo appears to have white lettering on it but I can't get enough detail to see what brand tire it is. Also I can just about clearly see the wheel spoke style. It appears to be have sort of a cross hatch pattern from the rim to the center.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 19, 2010, 10:15:35 PM
Here's the face I thought I saw. Look at the area I outlined, tilt your head left and you might see a frontal view of a face. I'm beginning to doubt that it's actually a face.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 19, 2010, 10:35:41 PM
Well, I definitely saw what Blonde saw in the "drainage ditch bag" (or at least I can see what people think they see) -- but, I can't see jack in these latest photos -- sorry.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 19, 2010, 10:45:35 PM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 19, 2010, 10:55:15 PM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Klaasend's email address is smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2010, 11:17:56 PM
Not sure about this but it caught my eye.  I think it says that a 14 year old was seen going into the window of an apartment behind a house on Montana.  The child of A. S. lives in the apartment. 

Wondering if Sebastian could be living in the apartment that Joran lived in at one time? 

The 14 year old that was caught in the apartment seems to have some problems, from what I gather neither parent really wanted to deal with the situation, apparently this isn't his first run in with the police.  I think it says he's been detained several times for stealing.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

8/19/2010 Bondia Page 5

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08192010_BondiaAruba_05a-1.jpg)

Polis di Noord a sorprende na Montana
Hobencito di 14 ana cu ta biba riba caya
y ta drenta den apartamento pa haci uso
di bano

Nan mayornan no sa kico mas pa haci cune

Noord - Segun informacion di polis,
diamars 9.20 di mainta, polis di Noord a
bay na un apartamento na Montana, naunda
ladron a drenta.  Na yegada polis a
papia cu e senora R, kende ta bisa polis
cu e ta tira bista pa e dono di e cas y
el a mira e homber D.R. naci na Aruba di
14 ana, bula dor di un bentana y a
drenta den un di e apartamentonan cu tin
tras di e cas.  Den e apartamento ta
biba e yiu di crianza A. S. Polis a
logra gara D.R. den e apartamento.  El a
bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga di
biba, el a drenta den e apartamento.  El
a bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga
di biba, el a drenta den e apartamento
pa haci uso di e bano.  Polis a hiba e
mucha homber na cas di su mama na Nune,
pero e mama a bisa polis cu e no kier
tin nada di haci cu e mucha dor di su
mal comportacion y a bisa polisnan cu ta
e tata nan a duna Voogdij riba dje. 
Polis a busca e tata J.R. y a papia
cune.  E tambe a bisa cu e no sa di
D.R., como cu e tin algun luna caba cu e
no ta na cas y ta biba riba caya.  Polis
a mustra e tata riba su responsbilidad y
a bise cu e mucha ta menor di edad y e
tin boogdij di e mucha.  Polis a bay cu
e yiu warda di Polis y a yama e tata, y
eynan Voogdijraad a wordo yama y a bin
na e sitio.  Despues di a papia cu nan
dos, e tata a bay cas cu e yiu.  Pero
ora cu e tata y yega na e auto, e mucha
a ranca careda y a core bay.  Polis a
core su tras y a logra gare.  Nan a
bolbe bay paden cune y a bolbe yama
Voogdijraad, cu a mustra cu no tin luga
pa pone e mucha y no por haci nada mas
pe.  Nan a laga e tata bay cune.  E tata
ta su responsabel.  Segun informacion di
polis, D.R. a wordo denten varios biaha
caba pa ladronisia.

Papiamentu translation:

police by north owing to sorprende at montana hobencito by 14 ana cu live on caya y is come into in apartment before haci usage by bano they parents not know kico more before haci cune

north - according informacion by police, tuesday 9.20 by morning, police by north owing to bay at one apartment at montana, naunda thief owing to come into. at arrival police owing to talk cu the senora r, that is say police cu the is throw view for her dono by the cas y past owing to see he d.r. naci at aruba by 14 ana, jump by by one window y owing to come into in one by the apartamentonan cu have behind the cas. in the apartment live the child by crianza a. s. police owing to succeed grab d.r. in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment before haci usage by the bano. police owing to bring the boy at home by her mam at nune, but the mam owing to say police cu the does not have nothing by haci cu the child by by her bad comportacion y owing to say polisnan cu is the father they owing to give voogdij on dje. police owing to busca the father j.r. y owing to talk cune. the also owing to say cu the not know by d.r., because cu the have some moon come to anend cu the do not at home y live on caya. police owing to indicate the father on her responsbilidad y owing to bise cu the child is younger by edad y the have boogdij by the child. police owing to bay cu the child keep by police y owing to be called the father, y eynan voogdijraad owing to wordo be called y owing to come at the sitio. after by owing to talk cu they two, the father owing to bay cas cu the child. but hour cu the father y arrive at the car, the child owing to ranca careda y owing to core bay. police owing to core her slow y owing to succeed gare. they owing to go back bay inside cune y owing to go back be called voogdijraad, cu owing to indicate cu not have luga before laydown the child y not can haci nothing more pe. they owing to allow the father bay cune. the father is her responsible. according informacion by police, d.r. owing to wordo denten several trip come to anend before ladronisia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 19, 2010, 11:44:04 PM
Not sure about this but it caught my eye.  I think it says that a 14 year old was seen going into the window of an apartment behind a house on Montana.  The child of A. S. lives in the apartment. 

Wondering if Sebastian could be living in the apartment that Joran lived in at one time? 

The 14 year old that was caught in the apartment seems to have some problems, from what I gather neither parent really wanted to deal with the situation, apparently this isn't his first run in with the police.  I think it says he's been detained several times for stealing.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

8/19/2010 Bondia Page 5

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2022%20082010/08192010_BondiaAruba_05a-1.jpg)

Polis di Noord a sorprende na Montana
Hobencito di 14 ana cu ta biba riba caya
y ta drenta den apartamento pa haci uso
di bano

Nan mayornan no sa kico mas pa haci cune

Noord - Segun informacion di polis,
diamars 9.20 di mainta, polis di Noord a
bay na un apartamento na Montana, naunda
ladron a drenta.  Na yegada polis a
papia cu e senora R, kende ta bisa polis
cu e ta tira bista pa e dono di e cas y
el a mira e homber D.R. naci na Aruba di
14 ana, bula dor di un bentana y a
drenta den un di e apartamentonan cu tin
tras di e cas.  Den e apartamento ta
biba e yiu di crianza A. S. Polis a
logra gara D.R. den e apartamento.  El a
bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga di
biba, el a drenta den e apartamento.  El
a bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga
di biba, el a drenta den e apartamento
pa haci uso di e bano.  Polis a hiba e
mucha homber na cas di su mama na Nune,
pero e mama a bisa polis cu e no kier
tin nada di haci cu e mucha dor di su
mal comportacion y a bisa polisnan cu ta
e tata nan a duna Voogdij riba dje. 
Polis a busca e tata J.R. y a papia
cune.  E tambe a bisa cu e no sa di
D.R., como cu e tin algun luna caba cu e
no ta na cas y ta biba riba caya.  Polis
a mustra e tata riba su responsbilidad y
a bise cu e mucha ta menor di edad y e
tin boogdij di e mucha.  Polis a bay cu
e yiu warda di Polis y a yama e tata, y
eynan Voogdijraad a wordo yama y a bin
na e sitio.  Despues di a papia cu nan
dos, e tata a bay cas cu e yiu.  Pero
ora cu e tata y yega na e auto, e mucha
a ranca careda y a core bay.  Polis a
core su tras y a logra gare.  Nan a
bolbe bay paden cune y a bolbe yama
Voogdijraad, cu a mustra cu no tin luga
pa pone e mucha y no por haci nada mas
pe.  Nan a laga e tata bay cune.  E tata
ta su responsabel.  Segun informacion di
polis, D.R. a wordo denten varios biaha
caba pa ladronisia.

Papiamentu translation:

police by north owing to sorprende at montana hobencito by 14 ana cu live on caya y is come into in apartment before haci usage by bano they parents not know kico more before haci cune

north - according informacion by police, tuesday 9.20 by morning, police by north owing to bay at one apartment at montana, naunda thief owing to come into. at arrival police owing to talk cu the senora r, that is say police cu the is throw view for her dono by the cas y past owing to see he d.r. naci at aruba by 14 ana, jump by by one window y owing to come into in one by the apartamentonan cu have behind the cas. in the apartment live the child by crianza a. s. police owing to succeed grab d.r. in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment before haci usage by the bano. police owing to bring the boy at home by her mam at nune, but the mam owing to say police cu the does not have nothing by haci cu the child by by her bad comportacion y owing to say polisnan cu is the father they owing to give voogdij on dje. police owing to busca the father j.r. y owing to talk cune. the also owing to say cu the not know by d.r., because cu the have some moon come to anend cu the do not at home y live on caya. police owing to indicate the father on her responsbilidad y owing to bise cu the child is younger by edad y the have boogdij by the child. police owing to bay cu the child keep by police y owing to be called the father, y eynan voogdijraad owing to wordo be called y owing to come at the sitio. after by owing to talk cu they two, the father owing to bay cas cu the child. but hour cu the father y arrive at the car, the child owing to ranca careda y owing to core bay. police owing to core her slow y owing to succeed gare. they owing to go back bay inside cune y owing to go back be called voogdijraad, cu owing to indicate cu not have luga before laydown the child y not can haci nothing more pe. they owing to allow the father bay cune. the father is her responsible. according informacion by police, d.r. owing to wordo denten several trip come to anend before ladronisia.
I think you are on to something!!! It all adds up! I think the jury is still out on Valentijn - but, Sebastian is certainly a Joran clone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 20, 2010, 12:02:42 AM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Klaasend's email address is smklaas@hotmail.com


Thanks Muffy,
I sent her an email.

Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Hotmail is down right now so try my other email.  klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
From this translation, I think they're saying there are two apartments behind the house; one occupied and one empty.  So maybe it's not the VDS compound, or maybe they renovated to add another separate living area since 2005?

http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/un-hoben-mas-perdi-pa-falta-di-lugar-pa-hobennan-problematico/

Papiamentu translation:

one young more perdi before miss by lugar before hobennan problematico

publication: diahuebs, 19 august 2010.

categoria: policial

oranjestad (aan): diamarts 9 or by morning had one caso by hortamento at north, in one cas at montaña. at arrival by police owing to talk cu lady. r. cu is cuida the cas here. past owing to splica police cu past owing to look at hour cu d.r. naci at aruba by 14 year owing to jump at one by the apartamentonan cu have behind the cas y break the ventana y come into. behind the cas have two apartment by cualnan one is bashi y the another is ocupa. thief owing to come into in esun cu is habita before a.s. cu was at the apartment at instant cu the thief owing to come into. police owing to rondona the apartment y owing to succeed grab d.r. a.s. does not owing to entrega complaint. d.r. owing to say cu the not have lugar for her remain y cu the la come into because cu the be willing to owing to go bath. police owing to bay serca the mam by d.r. but the la say cu the does not know nothing by her child y cu the not have the voogd by the child. is the father is the voogd. police owing to be called the father before talk cune y the father owing to say cu the have cuatro moon cu the not know nothing by the child y cu the child do not hear y is do her be willing to. police owing to be called voogdij raad before so they owing to talk cu the father y her child. after hour cu the father owing to bay car cu her child, the child owing to core bay. police have to owing to core her slow y trece bek keep. voogdij raad owing to be called centro pedagogico, but not have lugar at the sitio here. police owing to work one raport because the child owing to wordo grab several trip is steal. after cu police owing to deal by all form before busca one solucion not owing to remain nothing another cu, lage bay cu her father.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 12:29:28 AM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Hotmail is down right now so try my other email.  klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

Hope it wasn't critically urgent.  My hotmail has been down for hours and I never received anything  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2010, 01:23:10 AM
Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Hotmail is down right now so try my other email.  klaasend@scaredmonkeys.com

Hope it wasn't critically urgent.  My hotmail has been down for hours and I never received anything  ::MonkeyCool::

My hotmail has not gone down and ... I have not received anything for two days.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2010, 01:30:34 AM
It's Devastating!!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

"Did you say to them (Beth and Dave) these boys were going to be brought in within 10 days and re-interrogated?" Dr. Phil asks.

"Yes, I did", he (Steve Cohen) replies. "But I also knew that the prosecutor had a choice to make. He says the choice was whether or not to reveal new evidence right away, if waiting meant a better chance of getting a conviction later."

Steve explains, "Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we've got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case."

Dr. Phil asks Beth if she has something to say in response.

"Well, just what I was saying at the beginning," she says. "As you can see, we're put through enough as it is. And I think that was the problem early on in Aruba. We've had each official who has given us that false hope, and a family doesn't need that. They need facts. They don't need false hope, because we can deal with the truth." ...

"There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 20, 2010, 02:17:04 AM
HEY ARUBA.....

AS SCARED MONKEY'S MUTATE....

JUSTICE OCCURS!!

TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jo-An on August 20, 2010, 05:04:20 AM
http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2316103/peter-r-vries-gearresteerd-in-australie.html

Google translation

Peter R. de Vries arrested in Australia

Published: August 20, 2010 10:52
Last updated: August 20, 2010 10:58

PERTH - Peter R. de Vries was arrested Friday around 16.15 hours local time with an employee of his program in the Australian city of Perth.

© AP
That is his closest colleague Kees van der Spek of the ANP announced.
De Vries was arrested after a suspect in the murder of the then 23-year-old Mariska Mast in Honduras had been detected.

The crime reporter in Australia wanted the suspect, according to Van der Spek deliver a letter. The police took the Dutch a journalist on suspicion of trespassing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 07:59:54 AM
Thanks Jo-An!   ::MonkeyCool::


Good morning Monkeys! TGIF!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 08:00:46 AM
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/dutch-crime-reporters-arrested-in-perth-20100820-138x0.html

Dutch crime reporters arrested in Perth

August 20, 2010 - 8:59PM


A high-profile Dutch TV crime reporter has been arrested after trying to hand a letter to an alleged murder suspect in Perth.

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries and a colleague were arrested about 3pm (WST) on Friday at a house in the inner-city suburb of Subiaco, police said.

The pair had been repeatedly warned to keep off the property but allegedly returned a number of times on Thursday and Friday.

Dutch media reported Mr de Vries was trying to contact a suspect in the murder of Mariska Mast, a 23-year-old Dutch woman who died on holiday in Roatan, Honduras, in August 2008.

WA police officers were called to the property on Friday afternoon in relation to a trespass complaint, and issued the journalists with a move-on notice after they allegedly refused to leave, Sergeant Graham Clifford told AAP.

Sgt Clifford said it would be alleged they insisted on returning in their bid to interview the resident.

They were eventually arrested and later charged at Perth Police Station with refusing to obey a move-on notice.

Sgt Clifford said the pair refused to sign for bail and will remain in custody until their expected court appearance at Perth Magistrates Court on Saturday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2010, 09:48:29 AM
 :smt110


(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/231.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 20, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/dutch-crime-reporters-arrested-in-perth-20100820-138x0.html

Dutch crime reporters arrested in Perth

August 20, 2010 - 8:59PM


A high-profile Dutch TV crime reporter has been arrested after trying to hand a letter to an alleged murder suspect in Perth.

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries and a colleague were arrested about 3pm (WST) on Friday at a house in the inner-city suburb of Subiaco, police said.

<snipped>


Ah well, any crime reporter worth his/her salt gets arrested once in a while.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 20, 2010, 04:05:48 PM
http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2316103/peter-r-vries-gearresteerd-in-australie.html

Google translation

Peter R. de Vries arrested in Australia

Published: August 20, 2010 10:52
Last updated: August 20, 2010 10:58

PERTH - Peter R. de Vries was arrested Friday around 16.15 hours local time with an employee of his program in the Australian city of Perth.

© AP
That is his closest colleague Kees van der Spek of the ANP announced.
De Vries was arrested after a suspect in the murder of the then 23-year-old Mariska Mast in Honduras had been detected.

The crime reporter in Australia wanted the suspect, according to Van der Spek deliver a letter. The police took the Dutch a journalist on suspicion of trespassing.



Well, how dare they!  This is just so obviously wrong on so many levels. 

j/k



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 04:07:57 PM
http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2316103/peter-r-vries-gearresteerd-in-australie.html

Google translation

Peter R. de Vries arrested in Australia

Published: August 20, 2010 10:52
Last updated: August 20, 2010 10:58

PERTH - Peter R. de Vries was arrested Friday around 16.15 hours local time with an employee of his program in the Australian city of Perth.

© AP
That is his closest colleague Kees van der Spek of the ANP announced.
De Vries was arrested after a suspect in the murder of the then 23-year-old Mariska Mast in Honduras had been detected.

The crime reporter in Australia wanted the suspect, according to Van der Spek deliver a letter. The police took the Dutch a journalist on suspicion of trespassing.



Well, how dare they!  This is just so obviously wrong on so many levels. 

j/k



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree Anna!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 04:11:01 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-r.-de-vries-gearresteerd-in-australi/

Google translation:


Friday, August 20, 2010, 11:25 hours

New

Peter R. de Vries arrested in Australia
Crime Reporter arrested at home murder suspect


(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/arrestatie-peterr-545x306.jpg)

Peter R de Vries

Peter R de Vries and his collaborator Chantal Schuylenburch his Friday afternoon in the Australian city of Perth at 15.00 hours local time after they arrested a fugitive murder suspect had been identified. De Vries had traveled to Australia last week as part of an investigation into the death of 23-year-old Mariska Mast from Hoorn. Prime suspect in this case is the 31-year-old Australian Dan Ross. The man is identified internationally through Interpol and also the Dutch authorities submitted a request to justice in Australia for Ross to be heard in this case.

When De Vries the suspect in his house appealed to him about the case to talk to Ross did nothing to you. De Vries then tried an extensive letter to Ross to hand, but instead of believing he called the police. Soon came the Western Australia Police officers on site, which De Vries and his colleagues demanded that the area to leave their homes. When de Vries as he was not entered with colleagues from Schuylenburch arrested. Both had their bags and belts wrist and hand were arrested in two cars removed.

De Vries is there an inverted world, a murder suspect is in police protection, and somebody took him questions, make detects en arrested.


Mariska Mast
Honduras
Mariska Mast was held in the summer of 2008 under suspicious circumstances in death on the holiday island of Roatan in Honduras. She went on the evening of August 21 with suspicious Ross, who was worked as a diving instructor on the island, to his apartment. What exactly happened that night remains a mystery. Ross and a roommate - Korean Han Jisoo - Mariska are dying the next morning delivered to a local hospital. Ross was arrested this, but after one week were released. But he could not bring the island to leave and had to surrender his British passport. What the local authorities at that time did not know that Ross has a dual citizenship and hence an Australian passport holder. This passport is Ross the day after his release fled Honduras.

Strangled
The further investigation into the death of Mariska Mast was also illustrated that it is possible strangled. She also had a number of other suspicious injuries. Next is Ross' roommate Jisoo Korean Han as suspects. She was one years ago in Egypt arrested and extradited to Honduras. The woman is stuck in since the South American country, pending a trial.

It is unclear when De Vries and Van Schuylenburch be released again. They are stuck at Subiaco Police, Bagot Road, Perth. Tomorrow at 09.00 hours local time they brought.

Last Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 15:21 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 20, 2010, 04:48:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76748.php

Google translation:

"Possible death penalty for Joran '

August 17, 2010, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The murder suspect Joran van der Sloot might still be sentenced to death. This letter several foreign media in response to statements by the Peruvian President Alan Garcia. The president declared public that he wants to re-introduce capital punishment in his country.

Reuters writes that, according to an expert in the Peruvian newspaper Horas Libre's not inconceivable that the Dutchman is also eligible for capital punishment. " Legal obstacles, however, make it 'unlikely' that the death penalty on short-term returns as a punitive measure in the Peruvian legal system, lawyers said in the media. Joran currently resides in the heavily fortified Miguel Castro Castro prison. He is in custody on suspicion of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Should he be convicted for robbery, hanged him with the current legislation a maximum penalty of 35 years above the head. The death penalty since 1979 only in the case of high treason in wartime.

 

Personally, I'd rather be summarily executed by a firing squad than squirted with lighter fluid and set afire in the middle of the night while I was sleeping.

But that's just me. . . .


 ::MonkeyCool::


Lots of "fires" break out in Latin American prisons.  Just saying. . . yeah, let people think whatever they want but time will tell.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 20, 2010, 04:55:45 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1-1.jpg)
origional
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Hollo.jpg)
clicked Negitive
I cropped and darkend then saw a face am I nuts again
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)



Just bumping this forward to this page so no one will miss it.

There are some excellent photo-examiners here and I am sure if anything can be found from this, it will be.

Meanwhile, has anyone sent this to the FBI?  They have the best equipment in existence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21080-falta-hopi-placa-na-bon-dia-aruba.html

Falta hopi placa na Bon Dia Aruba      
Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:22

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.165.115.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.LOGOS.Bon_Dia_Aruba.JPG)
 
 
Caribbean Speed Printers, e cas editorial y di imprenta di e dos corantnan Bon Dia Aruba y Aruba Today ta haciendo un investigacion financiero debi na falta di sumanan grandi den e compania. For di fuentenan bon na altura nos a compronde cu algun siman pasa a manda e director financiero cas y recientemente a “prohibi entrada” e director general tambe. Ta menciona sumanan grandi cu lo ta perdi, specialmente den e departamento di imprenta cu ta imprimi mas cu un corant na Aruba. Nos lo sigui e desaroyo aki masha di cerca.

Papiamentu translation:

miss quite coin at good morning aruba

thursday, 19 august 2010 20:22

caribbean speed printers, the cas editorial y by print by the two corantnan good morning aruba y aruba today is haciendo one investigacion financiero debi at miss by sumanan big in the compania. for by fuentenan good at altitude we owing to compronde cu some week happen owing to send the director financiero cas y recientemente owing to “prohibi entrada” the director general also. is menciona sumanan big cu will is perdi, specialmente in the departamento by print cu is print more cu one corant at aruba. we will follow the desaroyo here very by close.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76910.php

Google translation:


ARUBA

Fraud Bon Dia, director of road

August 20, 2010, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - After earlier fraud by a worker with his own morning newspaper Bon Dia were observed, was announced this morning that director Mary Grace Maduro steps down. Although she resigned her own, said John Chemaly Jr.. Caribbean Speed Printers for printing - the owner of Bon Dia - Maduro also that 'mandatory holiday has been sent. "We have immediately imposed so that we can continue our investigation." Chemaly indicates that an external agency will conduct this investigation, but would not say which. "All I want to say is that it is a very sensitive and sad issue. This is someone who had a position of trust in this company. "Amigoe from a reliable source that has more than one tonne Florin Bon Dia is missed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 05:12:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76914.php

Google translation:

New face of Aruba

August 20, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/20-aruba-logo-vp-voor-ar.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Along the LG Smith Boulevard yesterday hanging large banners which the new promotional campaign Tourist ATA to see. The logo was again yesterday during a reception by ATA and Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) was presented to guests. On each banner is a different face, topped by a varying text and below the fixed text One Happy Island. Below the picture is the new logo of Aruba. Other banners included only the logo in the large. The logo consists of the red star from the national flag and the letters of Aruba, in various shades of blue (the sea) and green (of flora and fauna). Tonight is a big party held to introduce the new logo. Everyone is welcome.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 20, 2010, 05:17:56 PM
Anna,

I also think the FBI should look at the photo. I didn't want to post publically what I see in the photo so I sent what I found to Klaas. Maybe someone else here will find what I know I see, and what I believe I see but am not 100% sure of.
I still take a look at the photo every few hours or so messing with photo enhancement software and am making a few more deductions just about every time I mess with it.

Ado


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: RoxiBalboa on August 20, 2010, 05:26:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76914.php

Google translation:

New face of Aruba

August 20, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/20-aruba-logo-vp-voor-ar.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Along the LG Smith Boulevard yesterday hanging large banners which the new promotional campaign Tourist ATA to see. The logo was again yesterday during a reception by ATA and Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) was presented to guests. On each banner is a different face, topped by a varying text and below the fixed text One Happy Island. Below the picture is the new logo of Aruba. Other banners included only the logo in the large. The logo consists of the red star from the national flag and the letters of Aruba, in various shades of blue (the sea) and green (of flora and fauna). Tonight is a big party held to introduce the new logo. Everyone is welcome.

They made the new face of Aruba so similar to Natalee???? Are you kidding me Aruba?  Yeah, that's going to make you look better! #$%$#@#


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21113-alexander-mathew-prolonga-cu-60-dia-di-prizon-mas.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.augustus.aug20.matthew1.jpg)

alexander mathew prolonga cu 60 day by gaol more

friday, 20 august 2010 13:11

huez comisario today morning owing to bay by acuerdo cu peticion by ministerio publico before prolonga detencion by the sospechoso alexander mathew cu one maximo by 60 day more. the is close at kia but have "beperking" y not can come into in contacto cu neither another preso more. advocate mr. peter mohamed owing to present at corte before today morning before defende interest by alexander mathew. after by tratamento by the caso past owing to say we cu huez comisario owing to hang on to cuenta cu the acusacionnan earnest contra her cliente y in the phase by the investigacion, cu owing to bay by acuerdo cu peticion by ministerio publico. by another near, defence at present have 3 day before dicidi if they're apela the decision by huez comisario. if they dicidi by haci'e, will have to present fast 3 huez by corte comun before evalua the pruebanan before dicidi if is prolonga mathew or not. before thing is the three another sospechosonan, the police owing to remain in freedom but the girlfriend y m. livingstone if owing to remain close. at kia, alexander mathew is close in one cel normal but not have aceso at another presonan. is teme cu the will can influencia the other testigonan or esunnan envolvi in the caso here. the two child muhernan cu owing to entrega complaint y is witness, owing to bandona we island come to anend. they're insisti cu mathew owing to maltrata they fisicamente, owing to obliga they before hang on to relacion sexual cu clientenan below ; menasa y owing to mantene they at aruba contra they boluntad y/of desire. the caso will follow below ; investigacion at present.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 05:32:30 PM
Ok, turned the photo sideways and maybe I'm seeing something.  Still no way of knowing if it is something who it is but take a look:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway2.jpg)



ADO - is this close to what you are seeing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 20, 2010, 05:41:41 PM
I need to fire up my photo software to show you what I see. Will start now and then publish what I see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 20, 2010, 06:24:18 PM
Okay, this is what I see.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 06:27:38 PM
This blog does have me very interested though (besides the photo).  They are talking about a DVD as well:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl%2Fwordpress%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl%2Fwordpress%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.



Wonder if that DVD as anything to do with the Natalee Movie 3 on the Aru-bay site?

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

 natalee movie 3                          2005-JUN-12 08:30:36  4070k  (access is forbidden)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 06:50:59 PM
ADO - I'll try and do the same thing you did


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 06:59:37 PM
Same area cropped from ADO's and turned 90 CCW

Ado

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/croppedbottom2.jpg)

Klaas same area


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NatPic3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2010, 07:15:51 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/20/peru.van.der.sloot/

Appeals panel considers van der Sloot's confession
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 20, 2010 6:39 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In

Session on Friday.

Van der Sloot is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old student.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen, who claims in court documents that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay in July. Van der Sloot says Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, said Altez.

Romero has denied those allegations.

In June, a superior court judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of van der Sloot. Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as "unfounded" van der Sloot's habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney.

Van der Sloot also claimed his laptop had been improperly searched.

In an official press release, the judge said the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

Separately, van der Sloot remains a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, though he has not been charged in that case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 20, 2010, 07:16:59 PM
This blog does have me very interested though (besides the photo).  They are talking about a DVD as well:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl%2Fwordpress%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl%2Fwordpress%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.



Wonder if that DVD as anything to do with the Natalee Movie 3 on the Aru-bay site?

http://www.aru-bay.com/images/

 natalee movie 3                          2005-JUN-12 08:30:36  4070k  (access is forbidden)


He seems to be doing his "research" online...with a research assistant; does not like the media (investigative journalists)...think they helped bust him.  The "carin" is interesting.  She/he said it was the beach and knows who was there and challenged Anita to tell; she/he said that Paulus did place a call that night.  I think the ex-judge's premise is that Joran is a scapegoat. He does believe in corruption and cover-up.  I just thought the info sent to him was interesting.  Who knows with Paulus dead.  The Carin did say she/he feared for her/his life.   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 20, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
Not sure how "impartial" he will be:

Translated:




Judge sentenced to community service Wicher Wedzinga for assault Slavic internet dating Tatyana Judge Sentenced to community service for assault Wicher Wedzinga Slavic internet dating Tatyana

Tuesday, June 6, 2006 Tuesday, June 6, 2006
Wicher Wedzinga Nova: We beat both Councillor Wedzinga largely unpunished, or proven on the ground throwing, hair pulling, strong throat choked and repeatedly against head strike Councillor Wedzinga largely unpunished, or proven on the ground throwing, hair pulling, throat Tighten firmly Against Head Repeatedly hit and

Wicher Wedzinga, former judge of the Court of Leeuwarden has just sentenced by the multiple of the court Zwolle-Lelystad sentenced to community service of 80 hours and a suspended sentence of 3 months. Wicher Wedzinga, Former judge of the Court of Leeuwarden HAS just Sentenced by the multiple of the court Zwolle-Lelystad Sentenced to community service or 80 hours and a suspended Sentence or 3 months.

The court infers from the evidence on that suspect in the period from 21 to 23 October 2004 has beaten the victim several times at different places on her body, including several times with his fist to the head. The inference from the court evidence On That suspect in the period from 21 to 23 October 2004 HAS SEVERAL times beat the victim at places on differential re-bodied, "including SEVERAL times with His fist to the head. Kicking against the head of the 32-year-old blonde from Dnepropetrovsk (Ukraine) has not been proven unfounded. The kick to the head of the 32-year-old blonde from Dnepropetrovsk (Ukraine) HAS leg not proven unfounded.

It also had worse outcome for the new love (after a divorce) the counselor. Also it had worst outcome for A New Love (after a divorce) the counselor. "Swelling and bruising", according to the court not to qualify as serious bodily injury. "Swelling and effervescent sing" According To the court not to serious bodily injury as Qualify.

Tatjana abuse before this penalty is imposed for two separate beating his former girlfriend Tatiana, an intelligent woman (photo) which he believed to have abducted a few vacation trips. This penalty is imposed for two separate beating Tatiana historian performer girlfriend, an intelligent woman (photo) Which he believed to Have Abducted a few vacation trips. Wicher Wedzinga met her through a dating site for 'Oriental love on the internet aware. Wicher Wedzinga peppered with through a dating site for "Oriental Love on the internet aware.

Tatiana after mistreatment, as shown in Nova after a failed adventure hit Wedzinga counselor with his fists in the Slavic face (picture left). After a failed adventure hit Councillor Wedzinga historian with fists in the Slavic face (picture left). Eventually he accepted his blue and took on the Internet openly say goodbye to the blonde with a warning to other men against the "gold digger", see Judge Wicher Wedzinga fit as efficient Fries not gold digger Tatyana (NLJD / Spotlight) Eventually he accepted His blues and openly on the Internet took leave of the blonde with a warning to....

http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/3426/53/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 08:38:03 PM
http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Heineken Green Session @ Chino Latino & Confession 31Juli 2010

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1549936&g2_serialNumber=3)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
Not sure how "impartial" he will be:

Translated:




Judge sentenced to community service Wicher Wedzinga for assault Slavic internet dating Tatyana Judge Sentenced to community service for assault Wicher Wedzinga Slavic internet dating Tatyana

Tuesday, June 6, 2006 Tuesday, June 6, 2006
Wicher Wedzinga Nova: We beat both Councillor Wedzinga largely unpunished, or proven on the ground throwing, hair pulling, strong throat choked and repeatedly against head strike Councillor Wedzinga largely unpunished, or proven on the ground throwing, hair pulling, throat Tighten firmly Against Head Repeatedly hit and

Wicher Wedzinga, former judge of the Court of Leeuwarden has just sentenced by the multiple of the court Zwolle-Lelystad sentenced to community service of 80 hours and a suspended sentence of 3 months. Wicher Wedzinga, Former judge of the Court of Leeuwarden HAS just Sentenced by the multiple of the court Zwolle-Lelystad Sentenced to community service or 80 hours and a suspended Sentence or 3 months.

The court infers from the evidence on that suspect in the period from 21 to 23 October 2004 has beaten the victim several times at different places on her body, including several times with his fist to the head. The inference from the court evidence On That suspect in the period from 21 to 23 October 2004 HAS SEVERAL times beat the victim at places on differential re-bodied, "including SEVERAL times with His fist to the head. Kicking against the head of the 32-year-old blonde from Dnepropetrovsk (Ukraine) has not been proven unfounded. The kick to the head of the 32-year-old blonde from Dnepropetrovsk (Ukraine) HAS leg not proven unfounded.

It also had worse outcome for the new love (after a divorce) the counselor. Also it had worst outcome for A New Love (after a divorce) the counselor. "Swelling and bruising", according to the court not to qualify as serious bodily injury. "Swelling and effervescent sing" According To the court not to serious bodily injury as Qualify.

Tatjana abuse before this penalty is imposed for two separate beating his former girlfriend Tatiana, an intelligent woman (photo) which he believed to have abducted a few vacation trips. This penalty is imposed for two separate beating Tatiana historian performer girlfriend, an intelligent woman (photo) Which he believed to Have Abducted a few vacation trips. Wicher Wedzinga met her through a dating site for 'Oriental love on the internet aware. Wicher Wedzinga peppered with through a dating site for "Oriental Love on the internet aware.

Tatiana after mistreatment, as shown in Nova after a failed adventure hit Wedzinga counselor with his fists in the Slavic face (picture left). After a failed adventure hit Councillor Wedzinga historian with fists in the Slavic face (picture left). Eventually he accepted his blue and took on the Internet openly say goodbye to the blonde with a warning to other men against the "gold digger", see Judge Wicher Wedzinga fit as efficient Fries not gold digger Tatyana (NLJD / Spotlight) Eventually he accepted His blues and openly on the Internet took leave of the blonde with a warning to....

http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/3426/53/


Buckeye,

Is the Judge inferring that the Monserrat pond witness is Eddy Mansur?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 20, 2010, 09:10:09 PM
Magnolia

I don't know. I read that part awhile ago.  Maybe that there were witnesses seeing them by Eddy Mansur.   Not sure that's by the pond.  Maybe Terra DelSol??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 20, 2010, 09:15:26 PM
Two police officers also the confrontation between the family Van der Sloot and Holloway were present, can that recall and that would cause or one of the reasons why the claim that Paul van der Sloot after submitting ultimately rejected. So there is reason to believe that Paul van der Sloot Joran at 04.00 hours at Mac Donald has picked up. What was Joran at that time? Was he alone? And how does this relate to the computer login times and the witness that Joran and his father about the same time at the home of Eddy Mansur saw? Joran would first have walked back home with his father and then the car in reverse are gone? It seems one or the other, but witnesses can make mistakes, especially in times.

Is Eddy Mansur's house by the Monserat pond ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 20, 2010, 09:46:26 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Two police officers also the confrontation between the family Van der Sloot and Holloway were present, can that recall and that would cause or one of the reasons why the claim that Paul van der Sloot after submitting ultimately rejected. So there is reason to believe that Paul van der Sloot Joran at 04.00 hours at Mac Donald has picked up. What was Joran at that time? Was he alone? And how does this relate to the computer login times and the witness that Joran and his father about the same time at the home of Eddy Mansur saw? Joran would first have walked back home with his father and then the car in reverse are gone? It seems one or the other, but witnesses can make mistakes, especially in times.

Is Eddy Mansur's house by the Monserat pond ?


I don't even know who Eddy Mansur is, but the one witness lived down the street from the Monserrat Pond,
and said that he saw Joran and Paulus in the red jeep at 4:00AM, after he saw Joran alone with one shoe and muddy clothes  I think we heard that witness was named Jenny, but not sure of that. 
If Eddy Mansur also saw them, that makes two witnesses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 09:54:24 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

Wreck, I have been old and forgetful for a long time.  I don't remember Eddy either, but I 'll bet Monkeys
can find him if he does exist. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 09:59:27 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 20, 2010, 10:00:36 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::

 ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyDebonaire:: ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 20, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::
Makes sense ... I guess!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 10:09:06 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::
Makes sense ... I guess!


There is an Alex E. Mansur listed in the Aruba phone book, but no Eduardo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 20, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
I do recall "Eduardo" -- he worked with Jossy at Diario didn't he? ...His son??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 10:22:52 PM
I do recall "Eduardo" -- he worked with Jossy at Diario didn't he? ...His son??

http://www.geni.com

Eduardo Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Son of Jossy Mansur and Nuhad Mansur-Lame
Brother of Jossito Mansur, Luis Miguel Mansur and Damilice Mansur




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 10:30:50 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::
Makes sense ... I guess!


There is an Alex E. Mansur listed in the Aruba phone book, but no Eduardo.

http://www.geni.com

Jossy Mehsen Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Son of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Husband of Nuhad Mansur-Lame
Father of Jossito Mansur, Eduardo Mansur, Luis Miguel Mansur and Damilice Mansur
Brother of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur, Damia "Rina" Mansur and 2 others


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::
Makes sense ... I guess!


There is an Alex E. Mansur listed in the Aruba phone book, but no Eduardo.

http://www.geni.com

Jossy Mehsen Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Son of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Husband of Nuhad Mansur-Lame
Father of Jossito Mansur, Eduardo Mansur, Luis Miguel Mansur and Damilice Mansur
Brother of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur, Damia "Rina" Mansur and 2 others

http://www.geni.com

Alex E. Mansur Sr. (1931 - 2003)
Aruba
Son of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Husband of Ola Mansur
Father of Alex Mansur, Jr., Valeska Nydam, Farid Mansur, Serge L. Mansur, Gavril Mansur, Quentin Mansur, Angele Holmquist-Mansur and Stefanja Mouawad
Brother of Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur, Damia "Rina" Mansur, Don Mansur and Miguel Mansur

---------------------------------

Alex Mansur, Jr.
Aruba
Son of Alex E. Mansur Sr. and Ola Mansur
Husband of Magda Mansur
Father of Tara Mansur, Alex Elias Mansur and Natessa Mansur
Brother of Valeska Nydam, Farid Mansur, Serge L. Mansur, Gavril Mansur, Quentin Mansur, Angele Holmquist-Mansur and Stefanja Mouawad

----------------------------------

Alex Elias Mansur
Son of Alex Mansur, Jr. and Magda Mansur
Brother of Tara Mansur and Natessa Mansur


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 10:40:07 PM
I'm getting old and forgetful.......... I don't remember an "Eddy" Mansur.   ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::


Reckon it could be Eduardo? ::MonkeyJnBox::

That's what I'm wondering too... ::MonkeyQuestion::
Makes sense ... I guess!


There is an Alex E. Mansur listed in the Aruba phone book, but no Eduardo.

http://www.geni.com

Jossy Mehsen Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Son of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Husband of Nuhad Mansur-Lame
Father of Jossito Mansur, Eduardo Mansur, Luis Miguel Mansur and Damilice Mansur
Brother of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur, Damia "Rina" Mansur and 2 others


Eduardo has been all over the place in this story.  He works at Diario, is head of the Harbour Pilots,
He was on the Persistence most of the time.  He started the ruscue squad, I think.
The Alex E in the phone book is Jr.  He could be called Eddy or it could be Eduardo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 11:02:19 PM
I think I remember Kyle referring to Eduardo with a shorter form of his name but I can't remember exactly what it was. 

IIRC it was in something Kermit posted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2010, 11:18:57 PM
I think I remember Kyle referring to Eduardo with a shorter form of his name but I can't remember exactly what it was. 

IIRC it was in something Kermit posted.

I'm just catching up but Eduardo was always a ? during the aftermath of the Persisitence, as stated.  wth

At this time, I don't recall Kyle referring to Eduardo with a shorter form, but my memory needs a jolt now and then.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 11:20:12 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 11:21:01 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.geni.com

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...

edit to add link


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 20, 2010, 11:27:29 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2010, 11:38:19 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...

Small island...and we have come to know that many are related. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2010, 11:51:03 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...

Small island...and we have come to know that many are related. 

but still... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2010, 11:56:05 PM
I had no idea... ::MonkeyShocked::

Damia Manira Mansur
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of Elias Mansur and Damia Mansur-Mawad
Widow of Ronald de Cuba
Mother of Rachelle de Cuba, Ronchi De Cuba and Marilyn Kuypers-de Cuba
Sister of Alex E. Mansur Sr., Ruben Mansur, Luis Mansur, Jossy Mansur, Sarah Eliana Mansur and 2 others

So Ronchi De Cuba is Jossy's nephew...

Small island...and we have come to know that many are related. 

but still... ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Where is Carpe?
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

So my sissy girlfriend and favorite traveling companion Gaspard and I hit the big downtown Aruba today. It's basically a long strip with the usual tourist trappings...Senor Frog's, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Ralph...surprisingly Starbuck's hasn't taken over (which was refreshing,) but they did have a Taco Bell, so I was happy.

Popped by Ronchi's store called Trash and checked out his clothing line, which I loved. His designs are very Carolina Herrera meets South Beach with a little J.Lo by Oscar de La Renta. I told him if he opened a shop on Lincoln Road he'd make a killing. He's a big love-able, hysterical queen and I fell in love with him instantly.

Luckily for me, we speak the same language so I was able to get sorted out for the week. We watched the models get fitted for this week's big finale, chained smoked cigarette's, drank espresso at his salon next door and laughed our twat's off the entire time.

http://jdvision.blogspot.com/2008/06/ronchi-de-cuba.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2010, 12:07:26 AM
W

On A&E


Upcoming Airings:

Saturday, August 21 @ 10pm/9C
Sunday, August 22 @ 2am/1C

Multiple times over the past five years, Joran van der Sloot has alternatively been arrested for, confessed to and recanted his involvement in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now, it seems, the law, and his own hubris, may have finally caught up with him. Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru for the alleged first-degree murder of 21-year-old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez on May 30, 2010. He's also under grand jury indictment for a scheme to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother. Who is this privileged son of a prominent Dutch lawyer?

How has he managed to be arrested multiple times for Holloway's disappearance, especially after confessing on camera, and not be charged? What is behind his bravado? And what is likely to happen to him in the Peru case? We'll examine van der Sloot through the eyes of forensic psychologists and criminal experts, and hear from people who knew him well, including van der Sloot himself, in his own words.

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=588250


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
Ronchi's been letting it all hang out in the clubs lately, I haven't posted a lot of what I've seen...all those pictures are going through my head right now.

I think that's added to the shock of it.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 12:09:22 AM
W

On A&E


Upcoming Airings:

Saturday, August 21 @ 10pm/9C
Sunday, August 22 @ 2am/1C

Multiple times over the past five years, Joran van der Sloot has alternatively been arrested for, confessed to and recanted his involvement in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now, it seems, the law, and his own hubris, may have finally caught up with him. Van der Sloot is currently in jail in Peru for the alleged first-degree murder of 21-year-old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez on May 30, 2010. He's also under grand jury indictment for a scheme to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother. Who is this privileged son of a prominent Dutch lawyer?

How has he managed to be arrested multiple times for Holloway's disappearance, especially after confessing on camera, and not be charged? What is behind his bravado? And what is likely to happen to him in the Peru case? We'll examine van der Sloot through the eyes of forensic psychologists and criminal experts, and hear from people who knew him well, including van der Sloot himself, in his own words.

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=588250


Thanks Magnolia, I'll have to try to watch!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 21, 2010, 12:44:41 AM
Sorry if this has been posted already, but I don't remember reading it.


http://lifeinperu.com/2010/07/27/ahh-hollandais/

Last week while I was in Lima I had breakfast a couple of times at a small, local restaurant by Benavides and Porta in Miraflores. A typical family business, there were 2 girls working in the front, a cook and his “ayudante” in the kitchen and dad keeping an eye on the place.

Since it was a local place I was usually the only gringo there, and the girls in the front started to ask me some of the typical curious questions:

Are you visiting Peru for vacation?
Where are you from?
How long are you staying?


All pretty innocent stuff.

When I told the girls I was from Belgica, they didn’t really know what to make of that, so I told them a bit about where Belgium is. “Between France, England and Germany.” After all, Belgium as we know it was created back in the day to be a buffer between those countries and keep them from going to war all the time, but that’s another story.

“Oh, Belgica. En Belgica hablas Alemán?”
“No, Holandés”
“Uuh… Holandés.”

I could tell right away the younger girl was taken back a bit and she became all quiet, while I kept eating my yummie pan con bisteck and her older sister went back to squeezing the lemons for that afternoon’s ceviche.

“So what do you think about that Holandés Joran van der Sloot?” asked the younger girl after a while, kind of embarrased and not wanting to look straight at me any more.

What could I say. I believe in “innocent until proven guilty” as much as anyone, but 2 young women are dead after they were both last seen alive with this guy. He destroyed the reputation of Aruba and now young women in Lima are on edge at the mere sight of a tall gringo.

“I guess probably not all gringos are like that…” the girl said after a while.


I hope the Dutch realize how much damage this guy has done to their reputation in Peru, with his picture in every tabloid newspaper until he gets convicted. Worse, since there are essentially no guards inside Peruvian prisons, a psychopath like Joran Van Der Sloot may end up thriving in that environment.

Note: check out Stuarts post on Peruvian prisons.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 21, 2010, 01:23:16 AM
Criminal Court of Lima declared unfounded habeas corpus for Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot
The judges of the Third Criminal Chamber Jail Inmates in Lima Court will determine whether to confirm or revoke the decision of first instance declared unfounded the habeas corpus that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot filed against the head of the Homicide Division PNP, Colonel Miguel Angel Canlla prayed, and the provincial prosecutor of Lima, Dr. Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

Highness Max Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, requested that decision be revoked and declared void the scope of the police investigation and prosecutor against his client as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez.

Counsel argued that during the tax investigation and police attempt was made on individual liberty, due process and other constitutional rights of his client.

For its part, the attorney of the National Police of Peru, Dr. Marco Quicaño Tenorio, requested confirmation of the resolution 20 th Criminal Court of Lima issued by Dr. Wilder Casique Alvizuri who, on 25 June last, declared unfounded the constitutional .

The prosecutor denied that the tax police investigation and have violated the constitutional rights of citizens Dutchman, while denying that this has been the victim of physical or psychological abuse.

It is noted that the audience did not attend the attorney of the Public Ministry, which was to sustain the defense of the Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

In the following days, the timetable laid down by law, the High Court presided by Dr. Rita Meza decide whether to confirm or revoke the decision of the judge Casique Alvizuri.

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2010/08/juzgado-penal-de-lima-declaro-infundado-habeas-corpus-para-joran-andreas-petrus-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 21, 2010, 01:26:50 AM
Is to vote petition for habeas corpus filed by Joran Van der Sloot
Lima (Peru.com) .- La Tercera Sala Penal Inmates in Jail Court of Lima, left to vote to confirm or reverse the decision of first instance that habeas corpus was declared unfounded Joran Andreas Petrus imposed Van der Sloot.
 
This legal instrument was brought against the head of the Homicide Division of the PNP, Miguel Angel Canlla prayed, and the provincial prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.
 
By making use of the word, Maximum Highness Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, requested the revocation of the resolution also declared null and void the scope of the police investigation and prosecutor against his client as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez.
 
Counsel argued that during the tax investigation and police attempt was made on individual liberty, due process and other constitutional rights of his client.
 
For its part, the attorney of the National Police of Peru, Marco Quicaño Tenorio, requested confirmation of the resolution 20 Criminal Court of Lima issued by Wilder Casique Alvizuri who, on 25 June last, declared the constitutional complaint as unfounded.
 
The prosecutor denied that the police investigation and prosecutor "have violated the constitutional rights of citizens Dutchman, while denying that it has been the victim of physical or psychological abuse."
 
It is noted that the audience did not attend the attorney of the Public Ministry, which was to sustain the defense of the Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.
 
In the following days, within the time fixed by law, the Supreme Court chaired by Rita Meza Walde and composed of senior judges, and Malzon Arturo Zapata Carvajal Urbina La Torre decide whether to confirm or revoke the decision of the judge Casique Alvizuri.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100820/113815/Queda-al-voto-pedido-de-habeas-corpus-presentado-por-Joran-Van-der-Sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 01:34:09 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/20/peru.van.der.sloot/

Appeals panel considers van der Sloot's confession
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 20, 2010 6:39 p.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Joran van der Sloot claims his rights were violated during police questioning
He is charged in the killing of a 21-year-old woman in Peru
A Peruvian panel of judges is considering his appeal

(CNN) -- A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In
Session on Friday.

Van der Sloot is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old student.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen, who claims in court documents that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay in July. Van der Sloot says Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, said Altez.

Romero has denied those allegations.

In June, a superior court judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of van der Sloot. Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as "unfounded" van der Sloot's habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney.

Van der Sloot also claimed his laptop had been improperly searched.

In an official press release, the judge said the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

Separately, van der Sloot remains a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, though he has not been charged in that case.

In Session's Mayra Cuevas contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2010, 01:41:23 AM
Sent to me by Spooky!  Thanks Spooky!  Photos of the hearing today:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-002_20-08.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-001_20-08.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-003_20-08.jpg)

Press release through translator:

Superior Court of Lima
PRESS RELEASE N ° 260 - 2010-OPII-CSJL

This morning, lawyers for the parties presented their arguments

THE DECISION OF THE COURT TO VOTE
ASSESSMENT OF HABEAS CORPUS Van der Sloot

 Judge of First Instance declared unfounded constitutional defense of the citizen brought by Dutchman

Was to vote the decision of the judges of the Third Criminal Chamber Prison Inmates in the Court of Lima, to confirm or revoke the decision of first instance declared unfounded the habeas corpus that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot filed against chief Homicide Division of the PNP, Colonel Miguel Angel Canlla prayed, and the provincial prosecutor of Lima, Dr. Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

By making use of the word, Maximum Highness Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, requested that decision be revoked and declared void the scope of the police investigation and prosecutor against his client as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez.

Counsel argued that during the tax investigation and police attempt was made on individual liberty, due process and other constitutional rights of his client.

For its part, the attorney of the National Police of Peru, Dr. Marco Quicaño Tenorio, requested confirmation of the resolution 20 th Criminal Court of Lima issued by Dr. Wilder Casique Alvizuri who, on 25 June last, declared unfounded the constitutional .

The prosecutor denied that the tax police investigation and have violated the constitutional rights of citizens Dutchman, while denying that this has been the victim of physical or psychological abuse.

It is noted that the audience did not attend the attorney of the Public Ministry, which was to sustain the defense of the Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

In the following days, within the time fixed by law, the High Court presided by Dr. Rita Meza Walde and composed of senior judges, and Malzon Arturo Zapata Carvajal Urbina La Torre decide whether to confirm or revoke the decision of the judge Casique Alvizuri.

Lima, August 20, 2010
OFFICE OF MEDIA AND IMAGE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2010, 01:43:40 AM
Goodnight All!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 01:45:04 AM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011636,00.html

10 Questions for Nancy Grace

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1008/10q_nancy_grace.jpg)

Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::

What are your thoughts on the Natalee Holloway case? —Cynthia Montavon, Berwyn, Ill.

The death of Joran van der Sloot's latest victim lies solely at the door of the Aruban justice system, for not seeking justice for Natalee's murder. Van der Sloot's done everything short of taking out a billboard that says "I killed Natalee."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 01:45:20 AM
Klaas

What does it all mean?  I read your submission twice and ... I do not have a clue.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 01:47:04 AM
Goodnight All!

Thanks Klaas and Spooky for the article and pictures!

Good night Klaas! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 01:47:09 AM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011636,00.html

10 Questions for Nancy Grace

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1008/10q_nancy_grace.jpg)

Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::

What are your thoughts on the Natalee Holloway case? —Cynthia Montavon, Berwyn, Ill.

The death of Joran van der Sloot's latest victim lies solely at the door of the Aruban justice system, for not seeking justice for Natalee's murder. Van der Sloot's done everything short of taking out a billboard that says "I killed Natalee."



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: spooky112483 on August 21, 2010, 01:47:41 AM
Thanks for getting that posted for me Klass!
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 21, 2010, 01:54:30 AM
Please excuse if this has been previously posted:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/08/peru-president-wants-death-penalty-for-joran-van-der-sloot/

Peru President Wants Death Penalty for Joran Van Der Sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 21, 2010, 01:57:14 AM
Sent to me by Spooky!  Thanks Spooky!  Photos of the hearing today:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-002_20-08.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-001_20-08.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/F_HABEASCORPUS-003_20-08.jpg)

Press release through translator:

Superior Court of Lima
PRESS RELEASE N ° 260 - 2010-OPII-CSJL

This morning, lawyers for the parties presented their arguments

THE DECISION OF THE COURT TO VOTE
ASSESSMENT OF HABEAS CORPUS Van der Sloot

 Judge of First Instance declared unfounded constitutional defense of the citizen brought by Dutchman

Was to vote the decision of the judges of the Third Criminal Chamber Prison Inmates in the Court of Lima, to confirm or revoke the decision of first instance declared unfounded the habeas corpus that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot filed against chief Homicide Division of the PNP, Colonel Miguel Angel Canlla prayed, and the provincial prosecutor of Lima, Dr. Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

By making use of the word, Maximum Highness Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, requested that decision be revoked and declared void the scope of the police investigation and prosecutor against his client as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez.

Counsel argued that during the tax investigation and police attempt was made on individual liberty, due process and other constitutional rights of his client.

For its part, the attorney of the National Police of Peru, Dr. Marco Quicaño Tenorio, requested confirmation of the resolution 20 th Criminal Court of Lima issued by Dr. Wilder Casique Alvizuri who, on 25 June last, declared unfounded the constitutional .

The prosecutor denied that the tax police investigation and have violated the constitutional rights of citizens Dutchman, while denying that this has been the victim of physical or psychological abuse.

It is noted that the audience did not attend the attorney of the Public Ministry, which was to sustain the defense of the Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

In the following days, within the time fixed by law, the High Court presided by Dr. Rita Meza Walde and composed of senior judges, and Malzon Arturo Zapata Carvajal Urbina La Torre decide whether to confirm or revoke the decision of the judge Casique Alvizuri.

Lima, August 20, 2010
OFFICE OF MEDIA AND IMAGE

Spooky and Klaas...thank you.  Boy, those are some "serious-looking" faces.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 02:47:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 21, 2010, 02:59:04 AM
My take is that the 3 judge panel has not ruled yet. IMO -- they were not amused by "Max Highness".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 21, 2010, 08:17:14 AM
This reminded me of "The Pimps" and some of their statements.

Translated:

Earlier this week, I referred to a column by CSI Doctor Angela, a girl said to have become victim of a gang rape (gangbang). Then came this response:

"This girl had fabricated the story and I try always to think of what it has since moved to. A while ago I talked a 14-year-old girl (really) a gangbang had experienced and which the movie had ended up on Youtube. She was by publishing the movie by the (Antillean) boys panicked. I've seen the movie (nauseating) and asked how they could get out of there.

Eventually her parents have taken action. By coincidence, I found that after talking with several girls in a gangbang (predominantly Antillean) boys much more frequently. The often very young girls do this "voluntarily" participate. Such a girl will get "dating" with one of those guys and then invited the boy to a home game the X-box or something to play. Over time, and then had sex and are also friends who also want to join (and I do not mean the X-Box)

A girl dares not always refuse to even have sex with her friends 'dating'. The girls create themselves later on because they are proud that they are so in demand by these guys. It gives them "Status" in certain groups girls. Other girls say they have done, but that's not always the case. Sometimes they say it is just there to hear and "status" to have or get.

The ultimate status groups that girls get pregnant by touching of a boy. They can these guys than just a moment to tie. These are often very young girls who may have or in group 8 on their first sexual experiences do. They are usually among the eleven (!) And 17 or 18 years and they show very risky sexual behavior.

The corresponding boys are also often minor. Because the girls "voluntarily" participate in these gangbangs are hardly ever reported! There are even girls who voluntarily "give up" to belong, and most girls dare not say afterwards that they were terrible.

The story of that girl from the CSI doctor made me think of them. Maybe she has given the group finds them, a story of someone "borrowed" (my interpretation). "

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

 ::MonkeyMad::

Always a gang mentality but always the girls' fault.  Rika's dad knew.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 21, 2010, 08:30:44 AM
Where is TM??  Something about Lorenzo:

Not translated:

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs Lorenzo v. R., Daniel A.W y Martin B.W a presenta dilanti di huez, pa un caso penal contra nan. L.R a wordo acusa di posesion di 341 mata di marihuana entre 18 di Mei y 20 di Juni 2007, como tambe posesion di marihuana. D.W y M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di arma di candela y patronchi y posesion di marihuana riba 20 di Juni 2007. Ademas di esaki M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di 234 mata di marihuana. Huez a cuminza repasa parti di e rapport di e caso contra L.v.R.
El a indica cu den e rapport tin para cu L. a wordo examina pa y psiquiatra y el a constata cu for di su hubentud, L. tabata tin problema cu dyslexia y ADHD. E rapport a mustra tambe cu abogado di e acusado a mustra cu estudionan ta bisa cu marihuana tin un efecto positivo riba hende cu tin ADHD y esey ta un di e motibonan pa cual L. tabata huma hopi marihuana


He grew the marijuana for his ADHD??   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/4-luna-condicional-pa-posesion-di-arma-di-candela-pa-proteha-132-cabrito/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 09:56:24 AM
Where is TM??  Something about Lorenzo:

Not translated:

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs Lorenzo v. R., Daniel A.W y Martin B.W a presenta dilanti di huez, pa un caso penal contra nan. L.R a wordo acusa di posesion di 341 mata di marihuana entre 18 di Mei y 20 di Juni 2007, como tambe posesion di marihuana. D.W y M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di arma di candela y patronchi y posesion di marihuana riba 20 di Juni 2007. Ademas di esaki M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di 234 mata di marihuana. Huez a cuminza repasa parti di e rapport di e caso contra L.v.R.
El a indica cu den e rapport tin para cu L. a wordo examina pa y psiquiatra y el a constata cu for di su hubentud, L. tabata tin problema cu dyslexia y ADHD. E rapport a mustra tambe cu abogado di e acusado a mustra cu estudionan ta bisa cu marihuana tin un efecto positivo riba hende cu tin ADHD y esey ta un di e motibonan pa cual L. tabata huma hopi marihuana


He grew the marijuana for his ADHD??   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/4-luna-condicional-pa-posesion-di-arma-di-candela-pa-proteha-132-cabrito/

I'm here Buckeye, but haven't even had my first cup yet.  Good find!

Marijuana for ADHD is a new one for me, but I did find some articles to support it.

I found this part interesting:

after translation:

advocate arlene schipper that owing to defende l. owing to critica the mature cu o.m. owing to tarda 3 year before deal the caso here. past owing to splica cu her cliente never more owing to attain her self in problem cu husticia y at present cu past owing to become father y her life is bayendo in good direccion, owing to come cu the caso here after by 3 year. the advocate owing to say also cu the rapport by the caso is quite witch. past owing to ask huez before declara or.m not admisible mirando the tardanza before deal the caso here y before her cliente not attain more castigo cu locual past owing to sit come to anend, cu is 35 day in detencion preventivo. also past owing to ask before l. attain the coin cu owing to wordo confisca by dje bek, mirando cu not have acusacion contra dje by bendemento by drugs.


----------


Arlene Schipper is Lorenzo's attorney (well now, isn't that special?)

If I understand correctly she's saying that he hasn't been in trouble with the police, has become a father, and his life is moving in a good direction.  I think he got six weeks time for the charges.  I think she's arguing that since the case took so long maybe he shouldn't have to serve any time?  She also wants them to return the money that was confiscated at his arrest since he wasn't charged with selling drugs?


Hopefully Sandy Leiva or someone else will stop by and help with the translation.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:08:27 AM
This reminded me of "The Pimps" and some of their statements.

Translated:

Earlier this week, I referred to a column by CSI Doctor Angela, a girl said to have become victim of a gang rape (gangbang). Then came this response:

"This girl had fabricated the story and I try always to think of what it has since moved to. A while ago I talked a 14-year-old girl (really) a gangbang had experienced and which the movie had ended up on Youtube. She was by publishing the movie by the (Antillean) boys panicked. I've seen the movie (nauseating) and asked how they could get out of there.

Eventually her parents have taken action. By coincidence, I found that after talking with several girls in a gangbang (predominantly Antillean) boys much more frequently. The often very young girls do this "voluntarily" participate. Such a girl will get "dating" with one of those guys and then invited the boy to a home game the X-box or something to play. Over time, and then had sex and are also friends who also want to join (and I do not mean the X-Box)

A girl dares not always refuse to even have sex with her friends 'dating'. The girls create themselves later on because they are proud that they are so in demand by these guys. It gives them "Status" in certain groups girls. Other girls say they have done, but that's not always the case. Sometimes they say it is just there to hear and "status" to have or get.

The ultimate status groups that girls get pregnant by touching of a boy. They can these guys than just a moment to tie. These are often very young girls who may have or in group 8 on their first sexual experiences do. They are usually among the eleven (!) And 17 or 18 years and they show very risky sexual behavior.

The corresponding boys are also often minor. Because the girls "voluntarily" participate in these gangbangs are hardly ever reported! There are even girls who voluntarily "give up" to belong, and most girls dare not say afterwards that they were terrible.

The story of that girl from the CSI doctor made me think of them. Maybe she has given the group finds them, a story of someone "borrowed" (my interpretation). "

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

 ::MonkeyMad::

Always a gang mentality but always the girls' fault.  Rika's dad knew.


This one just makes me furious too!   ::MonkeyMad::

"Rika", did I miss something from the article?

I'm asking because there's a Rika in Val's group of friends...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
I'm posting the entire original article about Lorenzo, and a translated version...just in case.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/4-luna-condicional-pa-posesion-di-arma-di-candela-pa-proteha-132-cabrito/
 
4 luna condicional, pa posesion di arma di candela pa proteha 132 cabrito

Publication: Diasabra, 21 Augustus 2010. Categoria: Judicial

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs Lorenzo v. R., Daniel A.W y Martin B.W a presenta dilanti di huez, pa un caso penal contra nan. L.R a wordo acusa di posesion di 341 mata di marihuana entre 18 di Mei y 20 di Juni 2007, como tambe posesion di marihuana. D.W y M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di arma di candela y patronchi y posesion di marihuana riba 20 di Juni 2007. Ademas di esaki M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di 234 mata di marihuana. Huez a cuminza repasa parti di e rapport di e caso contra L.v.R.
El a indica cu den e rapport tin para cu L. a wordo examina pa y psiquiatra y el a constata cu for di su hubentud, L. tabata tin problema cu dyslexia y ADHD. E rapport a mustra tambe cu abogado di e acusado a mustra cu estudionan ta bisa cu marihuana tin un efecto positivo riba hende cu tin ADHD y esey ta un di e motibonan pa cual L. tabata huma hopi marihuana.
L. semper a bisa cu e marihuana cu e tabata cultiva no tabata pa bende, sino pa uso propio.

Pa loke ta e caso contra D. y M. cu ta tata y yiu, den e cas a wordo haya un tipo di shotgun y e tabata D. a splica cu mirando cu e tin 132 cabrito, e ta uza e arma aki pa defende su bestianan, contra entre otro cachonan.

El a bisa cu el a pidi permiso pa e arma, pero cu e no a haya esaki. El a bisa tambe cu el a tende cu tin un tipo di ley na Aruba cu ta bisa cu si bo tin mas di 50 cabrito, bo mag di tin un arma di candela pa proteha nan.

Pa loke ta e droga, M. a bisa huez cu e tabata pa uso propio. Huez a puntre si ainda e ta planta mata di marihuana y el a bisa cu no. El a splica si cu de bez en cuando e ta huma ainda. D. a splica huez cu marihuana ta calmabo, pero huez a bise cu awendia tin marihuana mas fuerte, cu lo por tin otro efectonan tambe riba un persona.

Huez a puntre unda el a haya e arma y el a bisa cu el a hereda esaki for di su tata, kende tambe tabata cria bestia. Segun huez, e arma no a wordo haya scondi den e cas, como si fuera e tabata wordo warda pa comete crimen cune.

Fiscal a haya tur tres culpable di e hechonan. El a bisa cu den e cantidad di castigo cu e ta pidi, e mester tene cuenta cu e hecho cu e caso ta di 2007. Pa loke ta L.v.R, fiscal a bisa cu L. no a wordo acusa di ta bende droga, aunque tin indicacion cu esaki lo por tabata posibel. El a bisa cu el a tende cuenta cu e posibilidad aki den e castigo cu el a pidi.

Fiscal a exigi un castigo condicional di 6 siman contra L. Pa loke ta D.W, fiscal a indica cu normalmente e maneho di O.M ta cu si bo wordo haya cu arma di candela, bo ta cuminza na haya 12 luna.

Sinembargo den e caso aki e arma a wordo haya na cas y fiscal a kere D. ora cu el a bisa cu e ta uza e arma solamente pa proteha su cabritonan.  El a exigi un castigo condicional di 4 luna. Contra M.W fiscal a exigi 2 luna condicional.

Abogado Arlene Schipper kende a defende L. a critica e hecho cu O.M a tarda 3 aña pa trata e caso aki. El a splica cu su cliente nunca mas a haya su mes den problema cu husticia y awor cu el a bira tata y su bida ta bayendo den bon direccion, a bin cu e caso aki despues di 3 aña. E abogado a bisa tambe cu e rapport di e caso ta hopi bruha.

El a pidi huez pa declara O.M no admisible mirando e tardanza pa trata e caso aki y pa su cliente no haya mas castigo cu locual el a sinta caba, cu ta 35 dia den detencion preventivo.
Tambe el a pidi pa L. haya e placa cu a wordo confisca di dje bek, mirando cu no tin acusacion contra dje di bendemento di droga.

Abogado Figaroa representando D. y M., a bisa huez cu e ta di acuerdo cu ponencia di abogado Schipper pa loke ta tardanza di e caso.

E abogado a pidi huez tambe pa su clientenan haya e auto bek cu autoridadnan a confisca.
Na final huez a duna L. un castigo igual na e tempo cu el a sinta caba, esta 35 dia. Pa loke ta D., huez a duna 4 luna condicional y M. a haya 2 luna condicional. Ambos cu un tempo di prueba di 2 aña.

Huez a dicta tambe cu L. tin cu haya e placa cu a wordo confisca, mientras cu D. y M. tin cu haya nan auto bek.


Papiamentu translation:

4 moon condicional, before posesion by arm by candela before proteha 132 cabrito

publication: saturday, 21 august 2010.

categoria: judicial

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs lorenzo v. r., daniel owing to.w y hammer b.w owing to present fast by huez, before one caso penal contra they. l.r owing to wordo acusa by posesion by 341 kill by marihuana among 18 by half y 20 by june 2007, because also posesion by marihuana. d.w y m.w owing to wordo acusa by posesion by arm by candela y patronchi y posesion by marihuana on 20 by june 2007. apart from this m.w owing to wordo acusa by posesion by 234 kill by marihuana. huez owing to cuminza repasa part by the rapport by the caso contra l.v.r. past owing to indica cu in the rapport have bird cu l. owing to wordo examina before y psiquiatra y past owing to constata cu for by her hubentud, l. was have problem cu dyslexia y adhd. the rapport owing to indicate also cu advocate by the acusado owing to indicate cu estudionan is say cu marihuana have one efecto positive on person cu have adhd y esey is one by the motibonan before cual l. was smoke quite marihuana. l. always owing to say cu the marihuana cu the was cultiva not was before sell, but before usage own.

before thing is the caso contra d. y m. cu is father y child, in the cas owing to wordo attain one type by shotgun y the was d. owing to splica cu mirando cu the have 132 cabrito, the is employ the arm here before defende her bestianan, contra among another cachonan.

past owing to say cu past owing to ask permission for her arm, but cu the not owing to attain this. past owing to say also cu past owing to hear cu have one type by ley at aruba cu is say cu if thou have more by 50 cabrito, thou mag by have one arm by candela before proteha they.

before thing is the drugs, m. owing to say huez cu the was before usage own. huez owing to puntre if still the is plant kill by marihuana y past owing to say cu not. past owing to splica if cu de bez provided that cuando the is smoke still. d. owing to splica huez cu marihuana is calmabo, but huez owing to bise cu awendia have marihuana more strong, cu will can have another efectonan also on one person.

huez owing to puntre where past owing to attain the arm y past owing to say cu past owing to hereda this for by her father, that also was cria animal. according huez, the arm not owing to wordo attain scondi in the cas, because if fuera the was wordo keep before comete crimen cune.

fiscal owing to attain all three culpable by the hechonan. past owing to say cu in the cantidad by castigo cu the is ask, the have to hang on to cuenta cu the mature cu the caso is by 2007. before thing is l.v.r, fiscal owing to say cu l. not owing to wordo acusa by is sell drugs, aunque have indicacion cu this will can was possible. past owing to say cu past owing to hear cuenta cu the posibilidad here in the castigo cu past owing to ask.

fiscal owing to exigi one castigo condicional by 6 week contra l. before thing is d.w, fiscal owing to indica cu ordinarily the maneho by or.m is cu if thou wordo attain cu arm by candela, are you cuminza at attain 12 moon (months).

sinembargo in the caso here the arm owing to wordo attain at home y fiscal owing to believe d. hour cu past owing to say cu the is employ the arm only before proteha her cabritonan. past owing to exigi one castigo condicional by 4 moon. contra m.w fiscal owing to exigi 2 moon condicional.

advocate arlene schipper that owing to defende l. owing to critica the mature cu or.m owing to tarda 3 year before deal the caso here.  past owing to splica cu her cliente never more owing to attain her self in problem cu husticia y at present cu past owing to become father y her life is bayendo in good direccion, owing to come cu the caso here after by 3 year. the advocate owing to say also cu the rapport by the caso is quite witch.

past owing to ask huez before declara or.m not admisible mirando the tardanza before deal the caso here y before her cliente not attain more castigo cu locual past owing to sit come to anend, cu is 35 day in detencion preventivo. also past owing to ask before l. attain the coin cu owing to wordo confisca by dje bek, mirando cu not have acusacion contra dje by bendemento by drugs.

advocate figaroa representando d. y m., owing to say huez cu the is by acuerdo cu ponencia by advocate schipper before thing is tardanza by the caso.

the advocate owing to ask huez also before her clientenan attain the car bek cu autoridadnan owing to confisca. at end huez owing to give l. one castigo equal at the time cu past owing to sit come to anend, esta 35 day. before thing is d., huez owing to give 4 moon condicional y m. owing to attain 2 moon condicional. both cu one time by proof by 2 year.

huez owing to dicta also cu l. have cu attain the coin cu owing to wordo confisca, while cu d. y m. have cu attain they car bek.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
After reading it all again, I think Lorenzo's sentence may have been made equal to the time he'd served?  Six weeks was mentioned...and then 35 days.

Lorenzo gets his money back too.

I guess that other little run in with the law didn't count for anything...

Only in Aruba...almost 350 plants for "personal use".  I'm thinking that's a LOT of weed!  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
I guess smoking all that weed didn't help Lorenzo's paranoia level though....ya know since he's not a drug dealer after all...and he needed all that protection around his home.  Stone wall...razor wire...dogs...video surveillance...

Interesting to say the least... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:56:02 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76914.php

Google translation:

New face of Aruba

August 20, 2010, 13:06 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Along the LG Smith Boulevard yesterday hanging large banners which the new promotional campaign Tourist ATA to see. The logo was again yesterday during a reception by ATA and Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) was presented to guests. On each banner is a different face, topped by a varying text and below the fixed text One Happy Island. Below the picture is the new logo of Aruba. Other banners included only the logo in the large. The logo consists of the red star from the national flag and the letters of Aruba, in various shades of blue (the sea) and green (of flora and fauna). Tonight is a big party held to introduce the new logo. Everyone is welcome.

http://www.diario.aw/

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Papiamentu translation:

one victima also be willing to smile!!

adieu cu aruba not coi the bull at her cacho, nothing do not go change!

mucho window dressing!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
EXONERATED!

Karin Janssen

'The Abrams Report' for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


KARIN JANSSEN, CHIEF PROSECUTOR, ARUBA:  The father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran‘s, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police.  And that is - well, I can say was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


Paulus van der Sloot

Suspect Statement - June 23, 2005


My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer.


Arlene Ellis-Schipper

'The Abrams Report' for June 30
updated 10:30 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 1, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 21, 2010, 11:25:54 AM


This one just makes me furious too!   ::MonkeyMad::

"Rika", did I miss something from the article?

I'm asking because there's a Rika in Val's group of friends...


[/quote]

Rika wasn't in the article but Joran dated a Rika, who was 12? before her father put a stop to it.  I think it was Rikka.  She was discussing it with Val's friend Nathalie, at one time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
EVERYBODY'S RELATED!!

Beth Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 4/7/2006 12:15:41 PM ET


RITA COSBY, HOST:  What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig?  Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection?  And the fact—it was interesting.  When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:  Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig.  So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Greta Van Susteren

On the Record w/ Greta
Thursday, May 25, 2006


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  As most of you know, Guido Wever, age 19, was arrested in Holland last week in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He has been released. Here is a small news item: He is related to a frequent guest on our show — Arlene Ellis-Schipper. I was told they are cousins, but I don't know if that is first, second, etc. Cousins... and yes, Aruba is a small place.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196974,00.html


Guido Wever

Natalee Holloway's Mother 'Guardedly Optimistic' About New Arrest
Monday, May 22, 2006


Guido Wever, an Aruba national, is expected to face charges Tuesday in a Dutch courtroom connection with the disappearance of the high school senior. Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 21, 2010, 11:43:12 AM
This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

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I clearly see a foot near the right hand corner and a clear big toe. The body is distorted, and you can see her head near the upper left hand corner. The picture is the negative.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:46:39 AM


This one just makes me furious too!   ::MonkeyMad::

"Rika", did I miss something from the article?

I'm asking because there's a Rika in Val's group of friends...



Rika wasn't in the article but Joran dated a Rika, who was 12? before her father put a stop to it.  I think it was Rikka.  She was discussing it with Val's friend Nathalie, at one time.
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Thanks Buckeye.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 21, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.




This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NataleeBlogDutch.jpg)


I see a face could this be Natalee licence all torn up?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/Natalee-Holloway1.jpg)
The negative shows her laying on her right side with her right foot pointing to the right.
What intrigues me about the photo is that he said it reveals the location of the body, or maybe he means there are clues as to where the body is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 21, 2010, 12:48:41 PM
I acquired better photo enhancement software this morning (Paint.NET)

I think there is plastic sheeting over the body, some of it is single
layer and some of it is folded over. That's why the body isn’t clearly
defined.
All I did to get this image was take the original and adjust the
output level in Paint.Net to zero.
I’ve found that one way to see more clearly what is in these images is to blow them up to full screen and then back away from the monitor about five feet.


I have a pretty good idea of the wheel style in the photo. Where in all these years of the forum can I find a lot of pictures of the sloot, kalpoe, joran friends, cars?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 21, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
I think the rectangular object in the left hand is a cell phone. Did
she have her phone when she went missing? If so does anyone know what
model? The one in this photo looks like it has fairly square corners.
I have a better idea of what the overall scene indicates and I'll
look at it some more to verify I'm correct. It seems the body had been
tugged several times towards the bottom of the original photo (right hand side in the one below) photo before being
covered with clear plastic. I'll send evidence of that later. But for
now as you can see in this image there are some rectangular
indentations in the sand to the left of the phone. Those are where the
open phone indented the sand after each tug. I need to look more
closely at the hand but for now it looks to me like it is grasping the
phone. Earlier I could not figure out why the hand looked out of
proportion to the right arm, her top, face, etc. The fingers looked
too short. But they now make sense because they are grasping the phone
- I looked for indications of finger nails and couldn't discern any
and that supports the theory that the fingers are folded down over the
phone.



I more or less did an inversion of the photo (turned it into a
negative) to get the attached view.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: adoronron on August 21, 2010, 12:56:40 PM
To get this rendition all I did was adjust color hue strengths.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 21, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
I think the rectangular object in the left hand is a cell phone. Did
she have her phone when she went missing? If so does anyone know what
model? The one in this photo looks like it has fairly square corners.
I have a better idea of what the overall scene indicates and I'll
look at it some more to verify I'm correct. It seems the body had been
tugged several times towards the bottom of the original photo (right hand side in the one below) photo before being
covered with clear plastic. I'll send evidence of that later. But for
now as you can see in this image there are some rectangular
indentations in the sand to the left of the phone. Those are where the
open phone indented the sand after each tug. I need to look more
closely at the hand but for now it looks to me like it is grasping the
phone. Earlier I could not figure out why the hand looked out of
proportion to the right arm, her top, face, etc. The fingers looked
too short. But they now make sense because they are grasping the phone
- I looked for indications of finger nails and couldn't discern any
and that supports the theory that the fingers are folded down over the
phone.



I more or less did an inversion of the photo (turned it into a
negative) to get the attached view.




I don't think she had her cell phone with her, but Sanders came up missing that night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 01:29:45 PM

I think the rectangular object in the left hand is a cell phone. Did
she have her phone when she went missing?
If so does anyone know what
model? The one in this photo looks like it has fairly square corners.
I have a better idea of what the overall scene indicates and I'll
look at it some more to verify I'm correct. It seems the body had been
tugged several times towards the bottom of the original photo (right hand side in the one below) photo before being
covered with clear plastic. I'll send evidence of that later. But for
now as you can see in this image there are some rectangular
indentations in the sand to the left of the phone. Those are where the
open phone indented the sand after each tug. I need to look more
closely at the hand but for now it looks to me like it is grasping the
phone.  Earlier I could not figure out why the hand looked out of
proportion to the right arm, her top, face, etc. The fingers looked
too short. But they now make sense because they are grasping the phone
- I looked for indications of finger nails and couldn't discern any
and that supports the theory that the fingers are folded down over the
phone.



I more or less did an inversion of the photo (turned it into a
negative) to get the attached view.


Natalee's Cell Phone


Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 32:
  No one says much at all on the four-hour flight. Continuing to make calls for information as long as I can get cell service in the air. I talk again to the coach. He says he may have found a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agent who can help us, but is having trouble connecting with the police on the island. He's having a hard time getting past the beach patrol and getting to the "right authorities." Then we lose contact.

Page 38:  We arrive at the Holiday Inn, get of the vaan, and go inside the open-air lobby of the hotel.  The coach and DEA agent are to our left, and we turn to walk toward them.

I go straight to the DEA agent and begin telling him what we know.

Page 40:  All of us are dumbfounded by this blasé attitude. No one would direct the coach to island police authorities or give him any helpful information. So he kept vigil in the lobby. He was at a complete loss until the U.S. DEA agent surfaced on the island.

Page 41:   The DEA agent asks for Natalee's cell phone and passport. I don't want to reach into her bag, but I don't want anyone else to touch it either. A little carry-on purse is attached to the side of it. Inside are her passport, cell phone, and some cash right on the top. I remove them and zip the purse back.  The agent looks at Natalee's things a few moments, then gives them back to me. I return Natalee's things to her little purse as I walk back to the hotel room to leave her bag there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 01:39:41 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/

Brie on June 30th, 2007 1:10 pm
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“Rika” Niharilen Trivedi, Joran’s ex-girlfriend in 2005, her father Parimal Trivedi is resident manager of the Renaissance Resort and Casino. “RIKA” was only 12 YEARS OLD at that time! Guess what crime could of fallen under that relationship.

Alberto Levy, owner of Carlos ‘n Charlies

Rafael Levy, resides in Miami,Fla. alleged association with International porn coming out of Miami…Paulus probably stays there

Melody Granadilo, Joran’s ex-girlfried was told by a friend that Joran had called her on 05-30-05 from his tennis practice right after school that day(that was the day Joran slept in the nurses office but managed to play tennis right after school)and stated concern about the girl he had been with on 5/30 was missing….so if he left her on the beach and went to school that day how did he even know she was missing

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Graduacion di studiantenan di International School of Aruba

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International School of Aruba recientemente a tene su ceremonia anual di graduacion, cual a tuma lugar na Radisson Aruba Resort. Un total di 12 graduadonan di International School of Aruba a ricibi nan diplomanan. Despues di e tradicional entrada di e graduadonan den procesion, e director di International School of Aruba, Paul Sibley a duna tur invitadonan bon bini na e ceremonia di graduacion di 2010. Gabriella Margarita Krichevsky a introduci Sr. Michael Lance pa e discurso di graduacion. Despues a continua cu e discurso di e graduadonan cu a ser duna door di mihor graduado, Olivia Zeolla. Olivia a logra e average di punto (GPA) di mas halto riba 3.50. Tambe a haci e traspaso tradicional di e ‘memory box’ of e caha di memoria door di e graduado Verushka Alvarez pa Inez van der Scheer. Ademas, Sr. y Sra. Sibley a presenta reconocimientonan especial pa despues sigi cu e momento di entrega di e diplomanan di International School of Aruba. E graduadonan di 2010 ta consisti di Verushka Hismelda Alvarez, Magali Bauschat, Alexandra Katleen Elizabeth Brown, Neha Dodia, Ralph Jonathan Ecury, Camille Ciam Junior Gibs, Gabriella Margarita Krichevsky, Pablo Carter Mendez, Valeria Valentina Suñé, Niharika Trivedi, Chun-Kit Daniel Wong y Olivia Nicole Zeolla. E graduadonan di International School of Aruba a aplica y a ser acepta na diferente di universidadnan na Merca, Hulanda y rond mundo. Adicionalmente, hopi di e graduadonan a ricibi oferta di beca (scholarship). Universidadnan cu e graduadonan di International School of Aruba lo atende ta inclui Oxford College at Emory University; Oxforda, Georgia, Florida Institue of Technology; Melbourne Florida, IN Holland University; Rotterdam, Hulanda, Richmond The American University in England; Surry, Inglatera, Barry University; Miami Shores, Florida, Boston University; Boston, Massachusetts, Merca. International School of Aruba ta felicita tur e graduadonan y nan mayornan  pa e logro importante aki y ta desea nan hopi exito den nan estudio universitario.

The after graduation party....

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Director of Operations at Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino

Past
Hotel Manager at Mullet Bay Resort & Casino, SXM, Netherlands Ant.
CRS Reservations Manager at SunResorts International, New York

Education
Ecole Baronnat, Grenoble, France
Cambridge School & JNU, New Delhi

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Hospitality
Parimal Trivedi’s Experience

Director of Operations
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino
(Hospitality industry)
Currently holds this position

Hotel Manager
Mullet Bay Resort & Casino, SXM, Netherlands Ant.
(Hospitality industry)
1993 — 2000 (7 years )

CRS Reservations Manager
SunResorts International, New York
(Hospitality industry)
1991 — 1993 (2 years )


Parimal Trivedi’s Education

Ecole Baronnat, Grenoble, France
BA , Hospitality , 1984 — 1988

Cambridge School & JNU, New Delhi
1978 — 1980


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sandy leiva on August 21, 2010, 03:25:19 PM
Where is TM??  Something about Lorenzo:

Not translated:

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs Lorenzo v. R., Daniel A.W y Martin B.W a presenta dilanti di huez, pa un caso penal contra nan. L.R a wordo acusa di posesion di 341 mata di marihuana entre 18 di Mei y 20 di Juni 2007, como tambe posesion di marihuana. D.W y M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di arma di candela y patronchi y posesion di marihuana riba 20 di Juni 2007. Ademas di esaki M.W a wordo acusa di posesion di 234 mata di marihuana. Huez a cuminza repasa parti di e rapport di e caso contra L.v.R.
El a indica cu den e rapport tin para cu L. a wordo examina pa y psiquiatra y el a constata cu for di su hubentud, L. tabata tin problema cu dyslexia y ADHD. E rapport a mustra tambe cu abogado di e acusado a mustra cu estudionan ta bisa cu marihuana tin un efecto positivo riba hende cu tin ADHD y esey ta un di e motibonan pa cual L. tabata huma hopi marihuana


He grew the marijuana for his ADHD??   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.diario.aw/2010/08/4-luna-condicional-pa-posesion-di-arma-di-candela-pa-proteha-132-cabrito/

I'm here Buckeye, but haven't even had my first cup yet.  Good find!

Marijuana for ADHD is a new one for me, but I did find some articles to support it.

I found this part interesting:

after translation:

advocate arlene schipper that owing to defende l. owing to critica the mature cu o.m. owing to tarda 3 year before deal the caso here. past owing to splica cu her cliente never more owing to attain her self in problem cu husticia y at present cu past owing to become father y her life is bayendo in good direccion, owing to come cu the caso here after by 3 year. the advocate owing to say also cu the rapport by the caso is quite witch. past owing to ask huez before declara or.m not admisible mirando the tardanza before deal the caso here y before her cliente not attain more castigo cu locual past owing to sit come to anend, cu is 35 day in detencion preventivo. also past owing to ask before l. attain the coin cu owing to wordo confisca by dje bek, mirando cu not have acusacion contra dje by bendemento by drugs.


----------


Arlene Schipper is Lorenzo's attorney (well now, isn't that special?)

If I understand correctly she's saying that he hasn't been in trouble with the police, has become a father, and his life is moving in a good direction.  I think he got six weeks time for the charges.  I think she's arguing that since the case took so long maybe he shouldn't have to serve any time?  She also wants them to return the money that was confiscated at his arrest since he wasn't charged with selling drugs?


Hopefully Sandy Leiva or someone else will stop by and help with the translation.


THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.  UNBELIEVABLE ISNT IT  sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 21, 2010, 03:36:43 PM
I have never been very good at seeing things that are not visable or seeing anything in abstract or that is really not there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 04:00:57 PM
Thanks Sandy Leiva!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, it is unbelievable!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
Thanks Sandy Leiva!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, it is unbelievable!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




Weren't there a bunch of guns found along with the pot plants and the money? :smt070


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 04:10:51 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/21147-turista-ta-haya-ataca-di-curazon-y-ta-fayece-na-eagle-beach.html


Papiamentu translation:

tourist cu owing to fayece owing to depart diahuebs by hospital

saturday, 21 august 2010 14:27

he cu owing to fayece saturday afternoon is by aruba by vacacion. past owing to come aruba for by bonaire. the is bibando eynan although the is naci at the netherlands. also the was kedando close her famianan be alive at aruba. here is deal by one person cu is abide by epilepsy. diahuebs past owing to depart for by hospital. saturday past owing to come goza by we beachnan together cu child y grandson. past owing to come into water y at dado instant owing to ripara cu the was cabez abao y after owing to become cabez upstairs. owing to try yude at once y sake. they owing to beat alarma y two ambulance owing to present at the sitio. so they owing to chek'e the paciente at once. not can owing to haci nothing more pe. dr lin owing to being be called y owing to constata dead. slachthoffer hulp also owing to being notifica y owing to present before atende cu the family. paz at her restonan y quite forza at the family.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4244&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4244/8_1282420502.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

more imagen by the caso by hogamento at eagle beach

saturday afternoon owing to come into informe by cu one tourist will owing to hoga at eagle beach, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because ambulance at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol owing to come constata cu enberdad one man by edad will owing to hoga y paramediconan at the sitio owing to try practica c.p.r. (resuscitacion cardio pulmonar) but this not owing to give result. before 2'or y 20 dr. lin owing to constata dead by the victima. is deal here by one tourist dutch by bonaire cu owing to depart recientemente for by hospital y cu was conosi because one paciente by curazon y is paciente by epilepsy also. apparently the will owing to attain one ataca in lama hour cu the was disfrutando cu her family at beach. the tragedy here owing to afecta one grandson cu was cun'e during cu ela attain the atake. we is send words by deep condolencia at famianan by the fayecido.

***update*** version policial before more or less 2or by afternoon central is attain one call cu at eagle beach one will owing to hoga y do not give sign by life. strandpolitie is bay rapidamente at the sitio y is enclntra provided that berdad one man by edad cu do not give sign by life. they're talk cu famianan cu is at the sitio cu is bisanan cu the victima is they family y cu they owing to come lama together near by 12or by afternoon. the victima is one epilepsie patient but was one duiker by profesion time the was more yong y can owing to swim good. dado instant they owing to ripara cu the was cabes below y hour they owing to bay yude already was late. her name ta: walther johan george oomen nasi at the netherlands day 23 by may 1933. the is residencia at bonaire y is kedando at calabas appts. before 2or y mey dr lin owing to constata dead natural. condolencia at the famianan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Thanks Sandy Leiva!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes, it is unbelievable!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




Weren't there a bunch of guns found along with the pot plants and the money? :smt070

Yes, and from what I can tell the father and son that were arrested at the same time as Lorenzo were the only ones that were held responsible for any guns, and I only saw mention of a shotgun.  They said they had them to protect their animals or shoot dogs or something like that.   think the end result was that one got two months, and one got four months "conditional" with 2 years probation.  So I don't know if they actually have to serve it now...or only if they do something else in the two years time.

IIRC there are still a couple more that were arrested at the same time...with the last name of Vrolijk... Wonder if they've ever come to trial....the machine guns must have been theirs.   ::MonkeyWink::   

Here's some of the articles from that time...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.480



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 05:46:07 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-r.-de-vries-gearresteerd-in-australi/

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peterr-vrijlating1-545x306.jpg)

Google translation:

Saturday, August 21, 2010, 07:30
News
Peter R. de Vries on bail by Australian court

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peterr-klein.jpg)
Peter R. de Vries
Crime Reporter Peter R. de Vries after 24 hours in a cell to have chaired this morning by a court in Perth on bail. De Vries must next Tuesday in a trial justified. Condition of bail is that De Vries until then it detected the suspected murder of Daniel Ross is not approaching, nor in his neighborhood is.

Penalty
Chantal Schuylenburch, also arrested the colleague of De Vries has directly been fined $ 200 and no longer have to stand trial. She too was released this morning.

The arrest of crime reporter has been pretty big news in Australia. The morning court session was attended by many people. At the detention center where De Vries and Van Schuylenburch detained, had settled several camera crews prepared.

Inverted World
(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/arrestatie-peterr3.jpg)
Peter is arrested
Peter R. de Vries said the state of affairs after his release absurd and not fit within the judicial process in a Western country, "We have just done our job. I have not Ross threatened, insulted or touched. I am not even been inside with him. I just wanted to ask questions and deliver a letter. It is incredible that the Australian police on his panic and call uitrukte U.S. arrested and locked in place that is happy that we have a fugitive murder suspect identified. They take him to protect and punish us. While the worldwide accepted fact is that a fugitive murder suspect knowingly takes the risk that he gets the press behind him and what critical questions to be put up, but that is obviously different in Australia. Ross is not suspected of shoplifting, but of murder and is internationally by Interpol reported. It really is the world upside down. "

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cel2.jpg)
Completely stripped
De Vries and Van Schuylenburch told that their detention fulfill all the clichés that you see in films: "We had to undress completely - a so-called 'strip search - and were put naked against the wall. We then had to bend knee to make sure no contraband we had at our bodily orifices. Then we had to give up fingerprints and DNA, and were locked in a bare concrete cell, with only a plastic mattress and a blanket. The light stayed on all night. By fellow prisoners were constantly beaten and yelled at the bars. It was cold in the cell.

Finally attention
De Vries refers to a special experience: It was not mildly fun, but it can not hurt the other side agrees to do. I have never belonged to the group who claimed that prison is a joke. Result of our arrest is that now the media and to inform the judicial level sudden attention to the case of the fugitive Daniel Ross. That makes it all worth it. "

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peterr-vrijlating4-goed.jpg)  (http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peterr-vrijlating6-goed.jpg)

Last update: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 17:03 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2010, 06:15:15 PM
Peter looks cute in his jeans and his paw paw sweater. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 06:36:35 PM
Peter looks cute in his jeans and his paw paw sweater. ::MonkeyHaHa::
::rhino::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2010, 08:14:40 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES?

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

PETER DEVIRES:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Beth Holloway

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Karin Janssen - First Arrest - June, 2005

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Karin Janssen - Second Arrest - August, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Hans Mos - Third Arrest - November, 2007

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney

Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2010, 09:23:06 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Who is the real Joran van der Sloot?  Starting on A & E RIGHT NOW!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 21, 2010, 10:00:48 PM
Bringing an Australian version of the Peter de Vries arrest.  Thank you to the much loved monkey in the rafters who gave me a heads-up on this story.


Dutch crime reporter slams WA police
Lloyd Jones
August 21, 2010 - 4:49PM

AAP

A high-profile Dutch TV crime reporter has slammed West Australian police for arresting and locking him up after he tried to talk to a Perth man he says is a murder suspect.

Journalist Peter R de Vries, 53, and his colleague Chantal van Schuylenburgh, 43, were arrested about 3pm (WST) on Friday at a unit in the inner-city suburb of Subiaco.

They had been trying to talk to a 31-year-old Australian, who they say is a murder suspect in the death of 23-year-old Dutch woman Mariska Mast in Honduras two years ago.

When the man complained to police, the Dutch journalists were warned by officers to keep off the property and when they failed to comply with a move-on order they were arrested.

They refused to sign for bail and were kept in cells overnight.

In the magistrates court on Saturday morning, van Schuylenburgh pleaded guilty to failing to comply with a move-on order and was fined $200 and ordered to pay court costs of $62.50, with a spent conviction entered.

But De Vries, who has a TV crime show in Holland, said he would not plead guilty because "it depends how you look at the facts".

The magistrate adjourned the case until Tuesday and granted de Vries bail on condition he not visit the Subiaco property or contact the man.

Outside court, de Vries told reporters he found it strange he was put in a cell when he had tracked down a murder suspect in Australia and just wanted to ask him some questions and hand him a letter.

"It's very strange, I thought I was in Australia, a free country with free press but it looks like I'm in China or Korea.

"I'm very surprised the police decided this."

He said he explained to police what happened.

"I didn't touch him, I didn't insult him, I didn't threaten him," he said.

"This is a homicide case and I tracked him down and now you're putting me in jail. That's the world upside down."

De Vries said he was stripped for his overnight detention.

De Vries said the Australian was questioned by police in Honduras after the death of Ms Mast in August 2008, when he was a dive instructor on the Caribbean resort island of Roatan.

She had gone to his apartment but the next morning the suspect and his female Korean room-mate, who is now detained in Honduras, had taken a severely injured Ms Mast to hospital, where she died.

De Vries said the suspect, who has Australian and British citizenship, had been released pending an investigation but had to surrender his British passport and not leave the country.

Interpol has issued a warrant for an Australian man for the Honduras incident.

But he had used his Australian passport to leave Honduras and avoid the investigation, De Vries said.

De Vries said Australian police did not know where the suspect was until his investigative team tracked him down in Subiaco.

Duty Inspector Dominic Wood told AAP he was unaware of any request to WA Police from Interpol or any other outside police jurisdiction about a homicide inquiry in Honduras or the 31-year-old Australian man.

"That may well change ... something may be being organised as a result of the interest by these Dutch journalists," he said.

© 2010 AAP

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/dutch-crime-reporter-slams-wa-police-20100821-139gq.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 21, 2010, 10:01:37 PM
And just for Anna  -----


http://www.aapimage.com.au/Search.aspx?search=PETER+DE+VRIES+ARREST+PERTH%26%28IMPORTDATE%3E20100820%29

Scroll over pics for the descriptions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
It looks like Aline is going to be interviewed on this one!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
Thanks Tibro!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:11:19 PM
So far Aline Hibbert and John Ludwick (sp?) have said a few things about Joran.

Not sure how much of it is true... ::MonkeyRoll::

John Ludwick did say Joran was able to manipulate Anita.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 21, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
Thanks Tibro!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::


YW TxMom   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:12:43 PM
I'm recording, so if no one else summarizes...I'll do a summary when it's over and I can replay the recording.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2010, 10:20:48 PM
I'm recording, so if no one else summarizes...I'll do a summary when it's over and I can replay the recording.

Thanks TM  ::dogwag::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 10:41:09 PM
The A & E show has been very good so far, everyone should try to watch it. 

There are some replay times.

John Ludwick said right after he met Joran he attended Paulus's memorial in Aruba, and that he was the only friend of Joran's (his age) that attended.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
And just for Anna  -----


http://www.aapimage.com.au/Search.aspx?search=PETER+DE+VRIES+ARREST+PERTH%26%28IMPORTDATE%3E20100820%29

Scroll over pics for the descriptions.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08212010_PeterRDeVries_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08212010_PeterRDeVries_2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:10:59 PM
The A & E show about Joran ended and another one about Natalee started right after it.

Sorry for the delay on the summary, but I'm recording it too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
The A & E show about Joran ended and another one about Natalee started right after it.

Sorry for the delay on the summary, but I'm recording it too.

I think I've seen that one before, so I stopped it.

I'm working on the summary now.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2010, 11:21:38 PM
I'm recording, so if no one else summarizes...I'll do a summary when it's over and I can replay the recording.

Thanks TM  ::dogwag::

Thanks TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: pinkbanana on August 21, 2010, 11:27:08 PM
The A & E show about Joran ended and another one about Natalee started right after it.

Sorry for the delay on the summary, but I'm recording it too.

I think I've seen that one before, so I stopped it.

I'm working on the summary now.




Thank you TM, I was going to stay up to watch the repeat.

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: spooky112483 on August 21, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
John Ludwick is a very disturbing individual
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:34:08 PM
Who is the real Joran van der Sloot?

In the summer of 2010 he sat in a 6 x 11 cell.  He was held in a Peruvian prison after years of trading on his infamous reputation, living as a kind of dark celebrity.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
"He envisioned himself, I think, as some kind of international, wealthy, playboy, high stakes gambler that would romp all over the world...nothing could be further from the truth.  Wherever he goes he leaves a trail of human misery behind him, whether it's manipulation, or conning people out of money; or murder itself."

The story of Joran van der Sloot has been argued in the court of public opinion, here we'll take a different look.  We'll get to know van der Sloot through the eyes of forensic psychologists and criminal experts who have studied the public records and professional assessments of him.  We'll also hear from those who know him, a friend (shows John Ludwick) and a former girlfriend (shows Aline Hibbert) and we'll hear from van der Sloot himself, in his own words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:34:48 PM
John Ludwick is a very disturbing individual
 ::MonkeyMad::

I agree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:38:53 PM
I'm just not a good summarizer, sorry guys you're gonna get it word for word..as good as I can anyway. 

San's a much better summarizer.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm saving it to a word file as I'm typing it, but I'll post segments all along...and then put the whole thing in a separate thread when I'm finished.

Hope that's o.k.

That way you won't have to wait the hours it will probably take me to do it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2010, 11:41:24 PM
You are so good to us, TM. ::MonkeyKiss::   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 21, 2010, 11:44:12 PM
I'm just not a good summarizer, sorry guys you're gonna get it word for word..as good as I can anyway. 

San's a much better summarizer.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm saving it to a word file as I'm typing it, but I'll post segments all along...and then put the whole thing in a separate thread when I'm finished.

Hope that's o.k.

That way you won't have to wait the hours it will probably take me to do it.


You are the best.

I am watching the repeat or the next show.  I only saw the end of the first.

Thank you, so much, for your efforts.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: spooky112483 on August 21, 2010, 11:54:02 PM
I feel like that was the most accurate program about Joran/Natalee that I have ever seen. It never tried to gloss anything over or give the benefit of the doubt to Joran. No Julia Renfro and no stupid theories. I highly recommend everyone watch it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2010, 11:57:29 PM
Video clip of Joran
Joran:  "So yeah at one point I told her, it's time to go back to your hotel."

Who is the real Joran van der Sloot?

For the family of Stephany Flores, Joran's latest alleged victim, the answers will come too late.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
"There's a component to his personality that involves rage, and he can be set off if the right trigger is ignited.  We saw in Stephany's case how he responded"

May 30th 2010, Stephany's family worried when she failed to return home from a night out on the town in Lima, Peru.  Eventually word got back to them that video surveillance at the Atlantic City Casino had captured her image with that of a young man.

Stephany's brother
"We saw the video in the casino...and we saw when he left with our sister.

The casino owner showed them a copy of the man's passport, his name was Joran van der Sloot.

Stephany's sister in law
"I put the name of this person in Google.  And we got scared."

What the Flores family found were headlines from the five year nightmare of another family, the family of Natalee Holloway.

Both girls met Joran at a casino, went off with him, and were never seen alive again.

In Stephany Flores' case, her badly beaten body was eventually discovered in Joran's hotel room.  Natalee Holloway on the other hand, simply vanished.  Joran was the last person to see Natalee alive.  He since made a career of telling and recanting tales about what happened that night exactly five years to the day before the disappearance of Stephany Flores.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 12:15:51 AM
This is the only part of his story that hasn't changed.

Joran
"I remember when I first saw her, I remember her and her friends coming up to the table...they sat down...they wanted to play blackjack."

It was May 29th 2005, van der Sloot was then a 17 year old Dutch boy with his family on the Caribbean island of Aruba.  He met a group of sheltered Americans at a hotel casino there, one of them was Natalee.

Video of Joran
"They were telling me it was their last night and asked if I wanted to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's."

Joran went with two friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  The three arrived at local bar Carlos 'n Charlie's shortly before closing time in the early morning hours of May 30th.

Video of Joran
"Right when I walked in I saw Natalee was dancing and she screamed at me to go dance with her...and then she came down off the stage and grabbed me by my hand and said come with me and she took me to the bar.  And then I asked her what she wanted to drink and she said what do you suggest and I said Bacardi 151, that's a shot I normally take with my friends.  And we took a shot together."

Natalee ended up leaving the bar with Joran and his two friends. 

From there his story has changed many times.  The only thing that's known for certain is that the next morning Natalee did not show up in the hotel lobby to return home with her group.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 01:13:44 AM
Natalee's mother Beth flew to Aruba and quickly tracked down Joran.  He told her that he and his friends had dropped Natalee at her hotel and never saw her again.

Beth
"Those three suspects fabricated a story within the first three hours of meeting us on the island."

Peter R. DeVries
"It shows that he is a very trained liar, and I think he's done that all his life.  He was lying to his parents, to his teachers...anybody."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"There's an arrogance about him.  He thinks he's superior to other people, that he thinks he's smarter than other people.  He can get others to do what he wants them to do."

Born in the Netherlands, Joran's family moved to Aruba a Dutch protectorate when he was a small child.  There they joined the Dutch colony that runs much of the island. 

Video of Jossy Mansur
"His father was a man that was working in the Ministry of Justice, he had a high position there.  Anita, his mother is a teacher in the school...an arts teacher.

Video of Anita van der Sloot
"Although we're Dutch, but...we consider ourselves as locals."

The van der Sloot family made a comfortable life in Aruba.  Joran was the oldest of their three sons.

Video of Anita van der Sloot
"He loves his sport...he plays soccer...he plays tennis on a high level.  He meets his coaches.  He works at school with young children, he helps the PE teacher with the younger ones at our school."

Video of Aline Hibbert
"At home, he's very social with his father...and with his mother...and we would always eat at the table when the mom cooks.  It was very like a family and very comfortable environment in his family.

Aline Hibbert is a friend and former girlfriend of Joran's who spent a lot of time with his family.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"People say that Joran was very spoiled and that his parent's let him do whatever he wanted but that's not true.  I see that as Anita, his mom supported him in whatever he wanted to do that was not bad or would hurt him or hurt other people."

But Joran did seem to be able to manipulate his parents.

Video of John Ludwick
"Joran was sometimes honest with his mother but you know he could con her pretty easily."

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"This was a kid who was out most nights, well past midnight, in casino...with alcohol.  His parents had very little control over him."

Joran often snuck out of the house, it wasn't hard because his parents had given him an apartment with a separate entrance from the main house.  He spent his nights out working to make friends.

Video of John Ludwick
"Joran was always a nice, giving guy.  I mean he'd be at a blackjack table playing with five strangers and every few minutes he'd throw them all a few free chips...and he'd buy people free food if you were with him.

Video of Aline Hibbert
He liked the attention, he liked people to like him.  I think that comes from because when he was younger he was overweight and people used to really tease him alot when he was younger and I think when he grew up he saw that he lost weight and he looks better...he looks handsome and he maybe wanted to (can't understand this part, listened several times) and that created that he wanted to make people like him.

He didn't just draw people to him though, he often became their leader.


Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
He had a group of pals, someone called the monontourage (complete GUESS on the spelling of that, lol), because it was clear that Joran was the alpha male.  And that seemed to me largely the function of this confidence...this egotism...that he thought he was something and those of lesser stature, perhaps weaker mind were sometimes inclined to follow him.

His friends say they didn't witness any violent signs in Joran.

Video of John Ludwick
"I never saw him lash out in anger at anyone."

Video of Aline Hibbert
"I've never seen that side of him, his friends have never seen that side of him."

Stephen Diamond, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"There are individuals who are very good at masking their anger, at masking their rage.  They can be very sweet, very kind, very nice, very loving...but then they can suddenly fly into a rage or become very cruel in other situations.

Did something trigger that rage on May 30th 2005?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 22, 2010, 01:23:52 AM
Thanks so much TM, you have transcribed beautifully!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 01:24:57 AM
Yooohooo Allllinnneeee....You never saw that side of him because you never said NO to anything he wanted you to do...with him...or FOR HIM...OR his FRIENDS...you need to just shut up...you were nothing but a BOOTY CALL...and YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE that's followed this case! ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyTongue::

JMO   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 01:26:35 AM
Thanks so much TM, you have transcribed beautifully!

You're welcome!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm only 15 minutes into it so far.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 22, 2010, 01:39:12 AM
This is the only part of his story that hasn't changed.

Joran
"I remember when I first saw her, I remember her and her friends coming up to the table...they sat down...they wanted to play blackjack."

It was May 29th 2005, van der Sloot was then a 17 year old Dutch boy with his family on the Caribbean island of Aruba.  He met a group of sheltered Americans at a hotel casino there, one of them was Natalee.

Video of Joran
"They were telling me it was their last night and asked if I wanted to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's."

Joran went with two friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  The three arrived at local bar Carlos 'n Charlie's shortly before closing time in the early morning hours of May 30th.

Video of Joran
"Right when I walked in I saw Natalee was dancing and she screamed at me to go dance with her...and then she came down off the stage and grabbed me by my hand and said come with me and she took me to the bar.  And then I asked her what she wanted to drink and she said what do you suggest and I said Bacardi 151, that's a shot I normally take with my friends.  And we took a shot together."

Natalee ended up leaving the bar with Joran and his two friends. 

From there his story has changed many times.  The only thing that's known for certain is that the next morning Natalee did not show up in the hotel lobby to return home with her group.
I would like to know what the monster was doing before killed Stephany. Also I would like to know what he was doing in Colombia, I believe that he killed another girls in southamerica. The police should check with how many suitcases he had when he arrived in Peru because if he didnt have any suitcases to place Stephany's body maybe it is because he used them to disposed other bodies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2010, 01:46:26 AM
Thank you TM.I have it recorded and will watch it in a bit to watch more lies from those who know better!Monkey's know better...Someone can post the incident from the bridge with the homeless man I believe it was.My unorganized mind fails me!I know that's not hard to beleive but,please forgivee me.. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: pinkbanana on August 22, 2010, 01:52:31 AM
TM, Thank you so much again!  ::MonkeyWink::

pb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 02:21:33 AM
In 2004, a year before Natalee Holloway disappeared Aline Hibbert met Joran van der Sloot at a party in Aruba.  She was 16.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"He's very enthusiastic (?) and he really likes to make you feel comfortable, that was my first impression of him.  Like...Hey I'm Joran...how are you...what do you want to drink?  And you know he was very...social."

Soon after they met they started dating in typical teenage fashion.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"Melody told me that Joran likes me and that he wanted to date me but we were young so Joran wouldn't tell me that personally.  So he told her to tell me."

Their romance blossomed.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"This is an email that Joran sent me, he wrote me a poem..and it says I'm here for you so please don't ever forget that no matter what ...blush...and always want you.  He's so tall and he's so big that you know it's like when he hugs you...you feel very protected."

How could someone accused of murdering at least one young woman have had normal relationships with others? 

Forensic Psychologist, Louis Schlesinger says that's not uncommon.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"It depends if someone set him off in the right way, not everything is going to set him off.  It doesn't mean it wasn't there, obviously it was there."

In the end after dating for a year Aline decided she couldn't handle the competition for Joran, who used the email address loverboy.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"A lot of girls liked Joran like a lot of girls wanted to date him."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Van der Sloot's fairly charming, he's a big guy, he's a fairly handsome guy...he can speak well, he's articulate; and I would think that visitors to the island would find him fairly interesting...in terms of his background...something different."

Joran preferred to meet girls especially tourists at the islands hotels and casinos.

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"It was always clear that this was a kid, whatever else you can say about him...chafed at life in that little town, on that little island.  He was out mingling with the international people, he was going to go to college internationally.  It was always clear that this was a kid who had his eyes beyond Aruba."

It was at one of the hotels that Joran met Natalee Holloway in 2005.  What happened that night was a mystery.  After giving a statement to police the next day, Joran returned home and reassured his family and friends.

Video of Aline Hibbert
"He was very relaxed, he said no, no, no, they just asked me a few questions...and but it's all good...it's all good now."

Video of Anita van der Sloot
"And he was like...everything will be fine mom, dad, don't worry...she will come forward.  So we kind of tried to continue our life."

But on June 9th, ten days after Natalee disappeared; authorities arrested Joran van der Sloot and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were with him that night.  Joran told police a new story...he said the Kalpoe's dropped him and Natalee at the beach.  After they made out for a while he told her it was time to leave.

Video of Joran
"I had to go to school the next day, I was close to my exams...I had to do my final exams...and I knew a bus was picking me up at 6:40am...I mean...I had to go home...so yeah at one point I told her...it's time to go back to your hotel.  And she was just like no, let's stay here...let's look at the stars."

Joran said he left her anyway catching a ride from Satish Kalpoe, but the Kalpoe's said that wasn't true...and the authorities couldn't get a straight answer as to what happened.  At the same time the police had to contend with the complete lack of physical evidence.  There was no body, or even a crime scene.  And Joran who remained in jail throughout the summer as the primary suspect seemed to know they had nothing.

Video
Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"I think he realized that they would have to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and as long as he could keep that going he had it made, and in fact he was very successful."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 03:14:02 AM
While he was in jail that summer Joran told police three stories. 
That the boys dropped Natalee at her hotel,
that he took her to the beach and left her there,
and that the Kalpoes took her and left him at his house.

Video of Gerald Dompig
Former Deputy Police Chief, Aruba
"The basic story he changed three times, but the little facts changed over 25 times so it was never the same.  He basically makes up his story every time you talk to him"


Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Each of the stories in isolation seems credible when you observe him but he's obviously not telling the entire truth.  There may be elements of truthfulness in each of these stories but I doubt very very much if any of these stories is accurate and truthful."

The Arubans brought in interrogators from the Netherlands to question Joran, FBI profilers watched the sessions as well; but none of them succeeded in getting the truth from him.

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Many teenagers would break down start crying be unable to handle this type of stressful situation, but that wasn't Joran's manner at all.  He seemed as cool, calm, and relaxed...and in control of things as could possibly be.  There's an arrogance about him that slowly emerges."

The FBI experts watching the interrogations, made a diagnosis.

Video of Gerald Dompig
Former Deputy Police Chief, Aruba
"Their first impression that this seemed like a person who always got his way, and it was a manipulative person.  A person who was very intelligent, very smart.  They used the word sociopath."

That assessment makes sense to those that study the psychology of criminals.

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Sociopath and psychopath are terms that are used interchangeably.  What is meant by a psychopath is really somebody who is devoid of human emotion.  When you look at Joran he seems really fairly normal, but when you examine his behavior what he did to other people you begin to see a pattern that he lacks empathy; he lacks interpersonal connectedness."

Despite the professional diagnosis of Joran, authorities still had little proof against him.  So after he was held and questioned for ninety days, a judge ruled there was not sufficient cause to hold him any longer.  He was free to go.  In Aruba, many people sided with Joran believing whatever happened to Natalee was an accident. 

I think a lot of people believed what had happened is something unfortunate...that she fell and hit her head...that there was some type of accident that he covered up.

Video of John Ludwick
"Joran would always tell me you know I have nothing to be ashamed of and I didn't do anything wrong."

But it's possible there was a more sinister explanation for her disappearance.

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"What usually happens in cases like this is there's something sexual that causes some type of rage.  Either the victim does not want to engage in sex or the offender himself can't perform sexually and feels humiliated in some way that is responded to in an outburst of rage and violence."

And if Joran did get away with a crime that summer, he may have been empowered by his experience.

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"I have seen time and time again, when an individual beats the justice system they become emboldened, they tend to become arrogant, they often repeat their crimes and they get a sense of superiority that they can manipulate just about everybody; and they base it on the fact that they had beat the system at least one time."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2010, 03:28:38 AM
Just finished watching the unveiling of the MONSTER!Aruba blaming the FBI for not giving the go ahead to arrest Urine in Aruba,on camera at that,was PRICELESS.Aruba could have arrested Urine at anytime.They didn't NEED the FBI's approval.I don't think anyone on Aruba questions where Urine got his sociopathic tenedencies.Aruba CHOSE not to disturb the MONSTER,but let it continue it's TERROR.Blood is washing upon your shores Aruba! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:22:15 AM
Through the years Joran van der Sloot would keep telling and recanting tales about what happened that fateful night.  But would his lies finally catch up with him?

Who is the real Joran van der Sloot?

Video Peter R. DeVries
"He thinks that he is superior to other people, to the police to the justice system, to the girls he's dating with; he is superior to even his own parents.  Joran is a very great manipulator."

Stephen Diamond, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
These individuals are extremely skilled at manipulating the world to get what they want, in fact they can even manipulate very experienced forensic psychologists and psychiatrists.

In September 2005, two days after being set free due to lack of evidence in the Holloway case; Joran returned to the Netherlands to study International Business in his hometown of Arnhem.  But Joran wasn't much of a student.  According to Overboord, a book about van der Sloot, Joran spent most of his time in college smoking marijuana, visiting the casinos, and hitting on women.

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"This is a kid for whom priorities one, two, three, four, and five are me, me, me, me, and me."

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Someone like van der Sloot wants sensation all the time, they want constant stimulation."

Video
Elizabeth E. Byars
Author, Overboord
"He really derives a great sense of power out of what he's doing.  Whether or not he committed the crime is immaterial, he's enjoying the fruits of what happened."

Joran continued to make conflicting confessions regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  On Fox News Channel he said he sold Natalee into white slavery to a fellow gambler.

Joran
"He would give me ten thousand dollars.  And he came and he just handed me a bag, grabbed the girl by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water."

But before the program aired, Joran retracted his confession.

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"Well the question has always been...if he essentially got away with it then there's no sense that justice is anymore breathing on his back...why on earth would he keep talking about it?  He obviously likes the attention." 

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Most people want to keep a low profile, want to just blend back into society; but you just can't hold Joran down...he's constantly on TV...constantly promoting himself in one way or another."

Among the many people who didn't buy Joran's various stories was a cagey ex-con named Patrick van der Eem.

Video
Elizabeth E. Byars
Author, Overboord
"Patrick is a former criminal.  He came across Joran at a casino one night and they're both from Aruba originally.  He started up a conversation and decided that he would be able to get Joran to talk and tell him what happened to Natalee.  He went to the police, the police couldn't help him and they suggested he go see Peter R. DeVries."

Peter R. DeVries is an experienced and respected investigative reporter.  He's the host of a very popular television show in Holland.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"Patrick van der Eem contacted me and said well I'm very close to Joran van der Sloot and when he's ever going to confess in the Natalee Holloway case, he will do it to me."

Their plan was to secretly rig Van der Eem's Range Rover with hidden audio and video equipment, and hopefully get a confession from Joran.  Patrick van der Eem and Peter R. DeVries are convinced that during one of their conversations, Joran told the only true story he's ever told of what happened on the beach.

Video of Joran In Range Rover (In Dutch,translated on screen)
"So I walked her down to the beach.  We started kissing, she looked pretty unhealthy.  She was really pale."

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"He is describing Natalee in her last moments and he's showing with his body language what happened at that moment and he's saying well Patrick you don't believe it but she started to shake like this."

Video of Joran In Range Rover (In Dutch,translated on screen)
"And then suddenly, Patrick...I don't know what happened precisely.  I thought, what is happening here?   (Patrick says) What did you do next Joran?  I stayed with her, there was no one there.  Patrick, it was really deserted.  (Patrick says) Naturally, it was in the night, Joran.  So I talked to her, I was talking, talking and she said nothing, nothing."

In the taped confession Joran admitted that Natalee died in his arms.  But when Dutch authorities examined the tapes, they deemed the evidence insufficient to arrest Joran.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"He didn't admit that he killed her.  He didn't say he murdered her, he only said well she died in my arms and I panicked and well I was thinking to dispose of the body; and well that's not a serious crime in our legal system...that was a problem. 

When Joran's bombshell confession was aired on Peter's television program in 2008, it attracted 7 million viewers.  Just days later Joran checked himself into a psychiatric hospital in Holland.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"It was part of his plan to neutralize the confession...so it wasn't because he was really interested in medication or things like that, it was his way out."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:28:28 AM
I'm starting to see double, I'll have to finish after I get some sleep.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I knew it would take a while, but it's longer than I thought.

Sorry...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:32:59 AM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011636,00.html

10 Questions for Nancy Grace

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Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::

What are your thoughts on the Natalee Holloway case? —Cynthia Montavon, Berwyn, Ill.

The death of Joran van der Sloot's latest victim lies solely at the door of the Aruban justice system, for not seeking justice for Natalee's murder. Van der Sloot's done everything short of taking out a billboard that says "I killed Natalee."



Worth a repeat, IMO.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:33:47 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 22, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
Two police officers also the confrontation between the family Van der Sloot and Holloway were present, can that recall and that would cause or one of the reasons why the claim that Paul van der Sloot after submitting ultimately rejected. So there is reason to believe that Paul van der Sloot Joran at 04.00 hours at Mac Donald has picked up. What was Joran at that time? Was he alone? And how does this relate to the computer login times and the witness that Joran and his father about the same time at the home of Eddy Mansur saw? Joran would first have walked back home with his father and then the car in reverse are gone? It seems one or the other, but witnesses can make mistakes, especially in times.

Is Eddy Mansur's house by the Monserat pond ?


I don't even know who Eddy Mansur is, but the one witness lived down the street from the Monserrat Pond,
and said that he saw Joran and Paulus in the red jeep at 4:00AM, after he saw Joran alone with one shoe and muddy clothes  I think we heard that witness was named Jenny, but not sure of that. 
If Eddy Mansur also saw them, that makes two witnesses.
Well, then, ARUBA SAVE YOUR ASS BY SEARCHING Monserrat Pond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 22, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
Sent to me by Spooky!  Thanks Spooky!  Photos of the hearing today:

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Press release through translator:

Superior Court of Lima
PRESS RELEASE N ° 260 - 2010-OPII-CSJL

This morning, lawyers for the parties presented their arguments

THE DECISION OF THE COURT TO VOTE
ASSESSMENT OF HABEAS CORPUS Van der Sloot

 Judge of First Instance declared unfounded constitutional defense of the citizen brought by Dutchman

Was to vote the decision of the judges of the Third Criminal Chamber Prison Inmates in the Court of Lima, to confirm or revoke the decision of first instance declared unfounded the habeas corpus that Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot filed against chief Homicide Division of the PNP, Colonel Miguel Angel Canlla prayed, and the provincial prosecutor of Lima, Dr. Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

By making use of the word, Maximum Highness Navarro, Van der Sloot's lawyer, requested that decision be revoked and declared void the scope of the police investigation and prosecutor against his client as the alleged perpetrator of the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez.

Counsel argued that during the tax investigation and police attempt was made on individual liberty, due process and other constitutional rights of his client.

For its part, the attorney of the National Police of Peru, Dr. Marco Quicaño Tenorio, requested confirmation of the resolution 20 th Criminal Court of Lima issued by Dr. Wilder Casique Alvizuri who, on 25 June last, declared unfounded the constitutional .

The prosecutor denied that the tax police investigation and have violated the constitutional rights of citizens Dutchman, while denying that this has been the victim of physical or psychological abuse.

It is noted that the audience did not attend the attorney of the Public Ministry, which was to sustain the defense of the Provincial Prosecutor of Lima, Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor.

In the following days, within the time fixed by law, the High Court presided by Dr. Rita Meza Walde and composed of senior judges, and Malzon Arturo Zapata Carvajal Urbina La Torre decide whether to confirm or revoke the decision of the judge Casique Alvizuri.

Lima, August 20, 2010
OFFICE OF MEDIA AND IMAGE
I don't know about the pink & white tie on that one guy, but I do see that the Judge is Female.
I believe our dear sporter is going to fry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: jjayinthemorning on August 22, 2010, 08:25:24 AM
Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"What usually happens in cases like this is there's something sexual that causes some type of rage.  Either the victim does not want to engage in sex or the offender himself can't perform sexually and feels humiliated in some way that is responded to in an outburst of rage and violence."
Oh this makes so much sense!!!
Remember when he was asked what he did after Stephany was lying on the floor (?) err on the computer, he said he masturbated. So he was in some state of arrousal at some point.

I suspect that all the action with being a pimp was compensation for his sexual inadequacies. And men will go a long way to cover up their little sexual issues, it's a deep dark secret.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: jjayinthemorning on August 22, 2010, 08:29:49 AM
Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Someone like van der Sloot wants sensation all the time, they want constant stimulation."
 
Goes along with the sexual thing. Gambling gets boring at some point and then he wants sex. As long as he isn't rejected he's a charming and sweet kid. As long as he keeps his stamina he's not frustrated. Testosterone is a funny thing.
Hmmm, wonder what his card playing cell mate thinks of that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: can on August 22, 2010, 09:29:19 AM

texasmom - THANK YOU!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 22, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
Peter looks cute in his jeans and his paw paw sweater. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 22, 2010, 10:19:48 AM
Through the years Joran van der Sloot would keep telling and recanting tales about what happened that fateful night.  But would his lies finally catch up with him?

Who is the real Joran van der Sloot?

Video Peter R. DeVries
"He thinks that he is superior to other people, to the police to the justice system, to the girls he's dating with; he is superior to even his own parents.  Joran is a very great manipulator."

Stephen Diamond, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
These individuals are extremely skilled at manipulating the world to get what they want, in fact they can even manipulate very experienced forensic psychologists and psychiatrists.

In September 2005, two days after being set free due to lack of evidence in the Holloway case; Joran returned to the Netherlands to study International Business in his hometown of Arnhem.  But Joran wasn't much of a student.  According to Overboord, a book about van der Sloot, Joran spent most of his time in college smoking marijuana, visiting the casinos, and hitting on women.

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"This is a kid for whom priorities one, two, three, four, and five are me, me, me, me, and me."

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Someone like van der Sloot wants sensation all the time, they want constant stimulation."

Video
Elizabeth E. Byars
Author, Overboord
"He really derives a great sense of power out of what he's doing.  Whether or not he committed the crime is immaterial, he's enjoying the fruits of what happened."

Joran continued to make conflicting confessions regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  On Fox News Channel he said he sold Natalee into white slavery to a fellow gambler.

Joran
"He would give me ten thousand dollars.  And he came and he just handed me a bag, grabbed the girl by the arm and he went to the boat that he had in the water."

But before the program aired, Joran retracted his confession.

Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"Well the question has always been...if he essentially got away with it then there's no sense that justice is anymore breathing on his back...why on earth would he keep talking about it?  He obviously likes the attention." 

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Most people want to keep a low profile, want to just blend back into society; but you just can't hold Joran down...he's constantly on TV...constantly promoting himself in one way or another."

Among the many people who didn't buy Joran's various stories was a cagey ex-con named Patrick van der Eem.

Video
Elizabeth E. Byars
Author, Overboord
"Patrick is a former criminal.  He came across Joran at a casino one night and they're both from Aruba originally.  He started up a conversation and decided that he would be able to get Joran to talk and tell him what happened to Natalee.  He went to the police, the police couldn't help him and they suggested he go see Peter R. DeVries."

Peter R. DeVries is an experienced and respected investigative reporter.  He's the host of a very popular television show in Holland.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"Patrick van der Eem contacted me and said well I'm very close to Joran van der Sloot and when he's ever going to confess in the Natalee Holloway case, he will do it to me."

Their plan was to secretly rig Van der Eem's Range Rover with hidden audio and video equipment, and hopefully get a confession from Joran.  Patrick van der Eem and Peter R. DeVries are convinced that during one of their conversations, Joran told the only true story he's ever told of what happened on the beach.

Video of Joran In Range Rover (In Dutch,translated on screen)
"So I walked her down to the beach.  We started kissing, she looked pretty unhealthy.  She was really pale."

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"He is describing Natalee in her last moments and he's showing with his body language what happened at that moment and he's saying well Patrick you don't believe it but she started to shake like this."

Video of Joran In Range Rover (In Dutch,translated on screen)
"And then suddenly, Patrick...I don't know what happened precisely.  I thought, what is happening here?   (Patrick says) What did you do next Joran?  I stayed with her, there was no one there.  Patrick, it was really deserted.  (Patrick says) Naturally, it was in the night, Joran.  So I talked to her, I was talking, talking and she said nothing, nothing."

In the taped confession Joran admitted that Natalee died in his arms.  But when Dutch authorities examined the tapes, they deemed the evidence insufficient to arrest Joran.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"He didn't admit that he killed her.  He didn't say he murdered her, he only said well she died in my arms and I panicked and well I was thinking to dispose of the body; and well that's not a serious crime in our legal system...that was a problem. 

When Joran's bombshell confession was aired on Peter's television program in 2008, it attracted 7 million viewers.  Just days later Joran checked himself into a psychiatric hospital in Holland.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"It was part of his plan to neutralize the confession...so it wasn't because he was really interested in medication or things like that, it was his way out."



Texasmom thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 22, 2010, 10:27:23 AM
I only saw part of this show.  John Ludwick is a weirdo.  He is a very creepy person.  His actions are strange.  Always smirking and laughing a little when answering a question.

Aline is an idiot and she looked terrible.l


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:49:09 AM
I only saw part of this show.  John Ludwick is a weirdo.  He is a very creepy person.  His actions are strange.  Always smirking and laughing a little when answering a question.

Aline is an idiot and she looked terrible.l

I agree about John Ludwick.  Weird and creepy!  I haven't come to it yet in the transcript but iirc he only met Joran after Paulus died and Joran returned to Aruba for the memorial.  Why they interviewed him as someone who really knew Joran is beyond me.  Even though Joran ended up living with him during some of his last days in Aruba, he only knew him for a few months.

And Aline is just a ho looking for her five minutes of fame, any way she can get it.  MHO

I mean has Joran ever said she was his "girlfriend"?  IMO she was more like the girl that he screwed around on all his other girlfriend's with.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

 ::monkeyscissors::

Quote
To your question as to how many girlfriends I have, I answer you the following. I only have one girlfriend and her name is "Florencia METZ". Before I had "Elaine" and before that "Carmen JACAPOUCHI" And she works in the Hospital and at the moment if Freddy's girlfriend. I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school". I also had a girlfriend named "Melody GRANADILLO". I have had five serious girlfriends in total since I was 14.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:52:01 AM
o.k. back to work on the transcript, I've had my first cup of coffee! 

Thanks everyone for the "thanks", I really appreciate it!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm just going to pick up where I left off in the show, and I'll continue to post segments along the way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Scatty on August 22, 2010, 10:55:26 AM
I only saw part of this show.  John Ludwick is a weirdo.  He is a very creepy person.  His actions are strange.  Always smirking and laughing a little when answering a question.

Aline is an idiot and she looked terrible.l

I agree about John Ludwick.  Weird and creepy!  I haven't come to it yet in the transcript but iirc he only met Joran after Paulus died and Joran returned to Aruba for the memorial.  Why they interviewed him as someone who really knew Joran is beyond me.  Even though Joran ended up living with him during some of his last days in Aruba, he only knew him for a few months.

And Aline is just a ho looking for her five minutes of fame, any way she can get it.  MHO

I mean has Joran ever said she was his "girlfriend"?  IMO she was more like the girl that he screwed around on all his other girlfriend's with.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

 ::monkeyscissors::

Quote
To your question as to how many girlfriends I have, I answer you the following. I only have one girlfriend and her name is "Florencia METZ". Before I had "Elaine" and before that "Carmen JACAPOUCHI" And she works in the Hospital and at the moment if Freddy's girlfriend. I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school". I also had a girlfriend named "Melody GRANADILLO". I have had five serious girlfriends in total since I was 14.


Aline was just a booty call who did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 22, 2010, 11:11:01 AM
I only saw part of this show.  John Ludwick is a weirdo.  He is a very creepy person.  His actions are strange.  Always smirking and laughing a little when answering a question.

Aline is an idiot and she looked terrible.l

I agree about John Ludwick.  Weird and creepy!  I haven't come to it yet in the transcript but iirc he only met Joran after Paulus died and Joran returned to Aruba for the memorial.  Why they interviewed him as someone who really knew Joran is beyond me.  Even though Joran ended up living with him during some of his last days in Aruba, he only knew him for a few months.

And Aline is just a ho looking for her five minutes of fame, any way she can get it.  MHO

I mean has Joran ever said she was his "girlfriend"?  IMO she was more like the girl that he screwed around on all his other girlfriend's with.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

 ::monkeyscissors::

Quote
To your question as to how many girlfriends I have, I answer you the following. I only have one girlfriend and her name is "Florencia METZ". Before I had "Elaine" and before that "Carmen JACAPOUCHI" And she works in the Hospital and at the moment if Freddy's girlfriend. I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school". I also had a girlfriend named "Melody GRANADILLO". I have had five serious girlfriends in total since I was 14.


Aline was just a booty call who did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

I agree with both of you.

Joran was living with John his final days in aruba because he has a blowup with Anita.  I guess it was such a big blow up that he went over Anita's house and left her a note before he left aruba.  Anita is a liar just like her son the monster.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 12:32:27 PM

Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"He wasn't psychotic, he didn't need medication, and he didn't want to change.  Van der Sloot is quite pleased with himself." 

Not long after Joran left the mental facility, he also disavowed his confession.  Joran moved to Thailand where he enrolled in a university but he had other things on his mind.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"Joran moved to Thailand and then one day I was contacted by a Dutch guy, and he said Joran is trying to set up a gang in women trafficking; so that's the moment we decided to do another hidden camera operation on Joran but this time in Thailand."

Joran had no idea that Peter's cameras were once again secretly recording him.

Video from Peter R. DeVries Hidden Camera Operation in Thailand
Girl says:  I like dancing, and (something about) fifteen thousand dollars.
Joran:  But look at what you have to do for that...for here you have to shake your ass...that's all you have to do.  If I could shake my ass for fifteen thousand dollars, I would shake my ass.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"Joran was acting like a pimp there and he said I have a job for you for modeling and singing and dancing in clubs."

Video from Peter R. DeVries Hidden Camera Operation in Thailand
Joran:  You talk to the guys, you make them feel good.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"And when they got interested then he was telling them...well you will have to work in brothels and you will have to go to Amsterdam."

In November 2008 DeVries aired the Thailand tapes of Joran.  The next day Thai authorities asked for a transcript of the program.

Peter R. DeVries
Dutch Investigative Reporter
"I think I might be the third person he's going to...to kill."

Things were going downhill for Joran.  He dropped out of school, bought a coffeeshop, but he was still at loose ends.  He decided to contact Jaap Amesz, a larger than life Dutch reality show champion.

Jaap Amesz
Dutch Television Personality
"Joran emailed me, so I felt hey here's this weird guy who is a fan of me, so maybe I can get him to talk...and to like tell me more about the Holloway case so the police can solve it; because the whole world is waiting for that case to be solved."

Jaap helped Joran by paying off some of his debts.  He and Joran became closer.

Jaap Amesz
Dutch Television Personality
"I have seen two sides of Joran, I have seen like a regular young guy...I also have seen a Joran who can switch within one conversation from a relaxed guy to someone who is very angry.  He's like a little child and wants his way right now."

Joran came up with another one of his countless stories.  He told Jaap that while intoxicated Natalee Holloway fell to her death from a balcony.  It was an accident.  He said he and a friend took the body to a local bird sanctuary and left it in the swamp there.  Jaap convinced Joran to appear on his television program "Terror Jaap" and to take a lie detector test to prove his story.

Jaap Amesz
Dutch Television Personality
"Joran's objectives with the polygraph test were clear you know.  He thought he was so smart, so sophisticated he could bend and twist the test in his favor like he was superior you know."

Aad Schalke, an experienced private investigator, and polygraph expert Annette Heldens administered the test.

Annette Heldens
Polygraph Expert
"I asked him, did you search on the internet how to beat a polygraph?  He told us, no I didn't...but he did.  (While administering the test) Regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway do you intend to answer all questions truthfully?"

Joran:  yes

Aad Schalke
Private Investigator, Schalke & Partners
"Two big questions we asked to Joran were...Are you involved in the death of Natalee Holloway?

Joran:  no

Aad Schalke
Private Investigator, Schalke & Partners
"And secondly...Are you involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Joran:  no

Aad Schalke
Private Investigator, Schalke & Partners
"And he said no to those questions."

Jaap Amesz
Dutch Television Personality
"So we confronted Joran like well here we have like some tables and it's all very specific and you're cheating the test...you're trying to cheat it...you're trying to manipulate it you know.

Annette Heldens
Polygraph Expert
"But still we had enough results to conclude that Joran was lying."

Jaap Amesz
Dutch Television Personality
"I confronted him with like deep emotions and (can't understand this part...listened several times)"

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Unfortunately there's a component to his personality that involves rage, and he could be set off if the right or correct trigger is ignited."

And that's exactly what happened when the polygraph proved that Joran was lying.  When his facade of control was shattered Joran exploded in a revealing outburst.

Aad Schalke
Private Investigator, Schalke & Partners
"I was not really surprised when I heard that he'd probably killed another girl, because when he's out of control he can be dangerous."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
No matter what corner of the globe Joran van der Sloot traveled to he found his personal demons soon followed.  When his father died unexpectedly in February, 2010, Joran sold his failing coffeeshop in Thailand, flew back to Aruba and moved in with his mother.  A few days after he arrived Joran met John Ludwick.

Video of John Ludwick
"I told him I recognized him and he gave me his phone number and asked if I wanted to hang out, and we ended up hanging out.  About two days after I'd first met Joran is when his dad's memorial was being held in Aruba and he invited me to go so I went and I was actually his only friend his age there.  That's when right from the beginning he knew I was a real friend because I showed up at his dad's memorial and I just had met him."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Interestingly many other individuals will attach themselves to psychopaths.  So they can often be charming, they can be somewhat charismatic, and they can find that a lot of people want to associate with them."

Joran soon slipped into his old habits.

Video of John Ludwick
"When we'd go out to bars and stuff some girls would recognize him you know and want to talk to him, and be attracted to the celebrity if you call it...I mean he kind of liked the notoriety, you know he'd get them drinks, they'd hug on him and stuff; and they'd want to hang out with him later on.  I remember one time like probably two days after I met him, we're hanging out at the Excelsior casino at the Holiday Inn...the same place he met Natalee...and later that night we'd walked along the beach back behind the Marriott which is the area he said he was with Natalee...and you know we met some girls there and we picked them up.  That was just weird in my head like man I was just in the same casino and just the same spot that all this stuff happened with Natalee...and I'm with Joran doing the same stuff like...this is crazy."

Around this time the relationship became very tense between Joran and his mother.

Video of John Ludwick
"He had got home at like 6 in the morning from at the casino with me and she was sitting on his bed waiting for him.  And she got in a big fuss you know...you lied to me...all this stuff."

After being confronted by his mother, Joran moved in with Ludwick and soon van der Sloot started talking about what had happened to Natalee Holloway.  Some of this came as they watched a television movie about her disappearance.

Video of John Ludwick
"Yeah it was kinda weird the night we watched the Natalee Holloway movie together.  You know I'm sitting next to on the couch the guy that the movie's about.  And he told me what parts of the movie were true and not and stuff like when they said they were going up to the lighthouse to look for sharks, he said that wasn't true, you can't see sharks from up there."

Joran never revealed the specifics of what happened to Natalee Holloway but he implied that her death was an accident.

Video of John Ludwick
"I don't get the sense of regret you know I never got a sense of there was an intentional causing of anything.  I got more of a sense of you know the situation happened and there was nothing I could do about it."

But in the world of Joran van der Sloot the lines between fact and fiction had become so blurred that it was impossible to tell what was true and what wasn't.

Video of John Ludwick
"But I'd be like Joran you know you said you dumped her in the swamp...there's no way, that swamp is dry and stuff...and he'd laugh.  He knew it was a lie you know and he knew that I knew it was.  And he said I can't change the past, I can't change what happened, I am who I am and I might as well make money off of it."

Joran's next move would be one of his most audacious.  He made contact with Natalee's mom, Beth Holloway.

Video of John Ludwick
"He said he wanted to clear his conscience to Beth and I was kind of aware when he was trying to make contact to come clean as he would say."

Over a series of emails Joran told Beth that because his father had just died he was finally ready to come clean and reveal the location of Natalee's body, but it would come at a price...two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"He's using his father's death to help himself as an explanation for now why he's now gonna tell the truth and why Beth Holloway should now give him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to tell the truth.  He wants to portray himself always as a victim.  What does this have to do with his father's death?  Nothing."


Video of Bryan Burrough
Special Correspondent, Vanity Fair
"I was stunned, both that he would be so stupid and so desperate.  He clearly believed that there was no way that he was going to be brought to justice for what had happened to Natalee.  I mean he'd already told what six, seven, eight...different stories...what's a ninth if I can get some money?" 

The plan was to send Beth's lawyer John Q. Kelley to Aruba to handle the actual transaction with Joran.  Kelley contacted the FBI which assigned a dozen agents to the operation in Aruba.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Van der Sloot knew that Misses Holloway wanted to know really where her daughter's body was to gain some sense of closure, to be able to put this behind her in some way.  Van der Sloot was astute enough to enough to recognize that and he played on her emotion."

Meanwhile the FBI had placed audio bugs and hidden cameras throughout a hotel room in the Marriott and in Kelley's car to record the extortion attempt.  Once in room 443, van der Sloot signed an agreement after which Kelley gave him a twenty five thousand dollar down payment with the remainder of the money to be paid when Natalee's body was recovered.  Then van der Sloot and Kelley got into the rental car and drove to a location near the Aruba Racquet Club.  Van der Sloot pointed to a house and said it was his father who buried Natalee's body under the building.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Joran described himself as a pathological liar.  You can't believe anything he said because somebody like him lies when they don't have to lie, that's what a pathological liar is...they're not necessarily lying only to escape wrongdoing...they lie when they don't have to lie; because they feel a sense of control over other people."

No body was ever found and in an email exchange with Kelley dated May 17th...just a week after the alleged extortion Joran admitted to lying about the location of Natalee Holloway's remains.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"He did it in a sadistic and cruel fashion which I think speaks volumes as to really what's inside of van der Sloot, which is nothing human; it's machine-like."

After getting his money Joran collected his things and got ready to leave Aruba.

Video of John Ludwick
"Joran told me he was going to Peru, just to get away from his mom and all the stress.  He told me he was just going to get an apartment and live down there for a year until he went back to Thailand."

Tipped off that he might be trying to leave the Country, Aruban investigators consulted with FBI officials who in a fateful decision decided not to arrest Joran for extortion while he was still in Aruba.

Peter Blanken
Chief Public Prosecutor, Aruba
"The FBI was not ready with their arrest warrant.  And they approved...the American authorities approved that he was going to go to another country...go to Colombia and to Peru and that when they were ready with their proceedings, he could be arrested in another country."

Van der Sloot left Aruba and by May 14th, he had checked into Room 309 at the Hotel Tac in Lima, Peru.  A week later van der Sloot met Stephany Flores, and in the early morning of May 30th...five years to the day that Natalee Holloway disappeared...the two were seen playing Poker together at the Atlantic City Casino in Lima.  At about five in the morning surveillance cameras show that they return to Joran's room at the Hotel Tac.  Less than four hours later, Joran left the room alone and fled Peru. 

Stephany Flores was never seen alive again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 22, 2010, 03:48:24 PM
TM

Thank you so much.  I was not able to see the show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 03:57:23 PM
About sixteen hundred miles from Aruba in Peru another family grieved for a lost daughter.  The battered body of 21 year old Stephany Flores was found in a Lima hotel room on June 2nd 2010.  The room was in the name of Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years earlier.

Video of Stephany Flores' father, Ricardo Flores on TV holding a picture of Joran; the translated text says:
This is a photo of the murderer of my daughter.

The Lima police moved quickly on the Flores case.  They issued an International Alert for van der Sloot, he didn't remain a fugitive for long.  Arrested in Santiago Chile on June 3rd, the day after Flores' body was found; van der Sloot was extradited back to Lima to face first degree murder and robbery charges.  His arrival in the Peruvian capital sparked a media frenzy and a much closer look at the young man who seemed to bask in his ability to dodge justice for so long.  But in Lima, unlike Aruba, there was a body, one that suffered severe trauma and signs of asphyxiation.  Criminologist, Lawrence Kobilinsky says all the evidence suggests that Stephany Flores was the victim of a rage killer.

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"Well the crime scene indicates that there was a struggle...a strong struggle.  She had a skull fracture, bruises all over her body, some defensive wounds on her body.  There was blood around the scene, (at?) the mattress, on clothing.  She defended herself and it just got out of hand back and forth; and the over reaction that we see is just typical of a sociopath."

On June 7th while in custody van der Sloot confessed to Peruvian police that he had killed Stephany Flores and linked his actions to Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Van der Sloot said in Peru that Stephany recognized through an Internet conversation or email that it was van der Sloot who was involved with Natalee Holloway and that set van der Sloot off.  That's ridiculous."

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"He's probably all over the Internet.  If Stephany found out that he was the one implicated in the Natalee Holloway case, why would that trigger such an interaction between the two?  It just doesn't make sense."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"What usually sets people off like this is some sort of sexual insult or some sort of sexual humiliation."

As with the Holloway case, van der Sloot quickly retracted his confession.  He claimed it was forced.

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"Remember, he's still a young person with sociopathic tendencies and a mind that say's...I'm smarter than you are...I can trick you...I can outlast you.  And he has."

But there was one crucial difference between the Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores cases for van der Sloot; a crime scene with a body.  His changing stories counted for little in the face of compelling evidence against him.

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"There was no way he could deny his being there.  There was tissue found under her fingernails.  I think it was clear especially from the video surveillance that he was there."

Claudia Cisneros
Peruvian Television Reporter
"You can see in that video when she comes into the casino and she's looking to a table and she finds him and they say Hi and she sits right next to him."

Video surveillance also showed the couple leaving the casino, then security cameras at the Hotel Tac show them entering Joran's room together.

Claudia Cisneros
Peruvian Television Reporter
"There's a lot of evidence that incriminates him, especially all the video that puts him at the crime scene."

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"The fact of the matter is that he was under video surveillance."

Investigators believe van der Sloot tried to use the surveillance cameras to help build an alibi.  They surmise that with Stephany Flores already dead, he left the room knowing he was being filmed, he carried two cups to get coffee but didn't have his room key.  A few minutes later he returned with a hotel employee who let him into the room but didn't enter himself.  Fifteen minutes later at 8:45am van der Sloot left the hotel without checking out and fled to Chile.

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"I think perhaps in Joran's mind, by leaving the room and going out to get coffee that that would rule him out as a suspect.  This was a way to cover up what he had done."

But the evidence has not convinced everyone that Joran is a rage killer.

Aline Hibbert
Joran's former girlfriend
"He had no reason to go and hurt someone, he would never do that...he was very caring.  So that's why I strongly believe that he didn't do anything to those people."

Still, in the summer of 2010 van der Sloot sat in Lima's Castro Castro Prison, facing a trial for first degree murder and in Peru police felt they had an ironclad case against van der Sloot.

Peruvian Police Official (?)
(Translations on screen)
The evidence speaks.
The physical and criminological evidence speaks.
So that demonstrates his participation.

The parallels between Natalee Holloway's disappearance and the murder of Stephany Flores serve to strengthen the theory that van der Sloot could be a two time rage killer.

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"Looking at the similarities in the Natalee Holloway case, you start to draw associations between the two."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"There certainly is a pattern that van der Sloot met both in casinos, they were gambling together, and he got both gals to leave with him.  But what happened with Stephany is probably in my judgement pretty close to what happened with Natalee."

Faced with a lengthy spell in a Peruvian jail, van der Sloot wanted to return to Aruba.  His means was manipulating the Natalee Holloway case yet again.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"Now I'm going to tell you what really happened to Natalee Holloway, take me back to Aruba.  He is constantly working you...van der sloot...he is never gonna tell what really happened to Natalee and he's never really gonna explain what happened to Stephany.  He just won't do it.  People like this just never tell the truth."

For the Flores family, they have the closure of a final resting place for their daughter, and a strong case against her accused rage killer.  For Natalee Holloway's family, there's empathy for others sharing their ordeal.

Video of Beth Holloway
"Let's all remind ourselves, and keep the Flores family...in our hearts...and in our prayers."

And Joran van der Sloot remains the only link between Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores.

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"It's a disturbing picture, from being involved in Natalee Holloway's death, to Stephany Flores, to all of the family and friends of the victims...to his own family...it's just nothing but human misery that van der Sloot leaves behind him."

Lawrence Kobilinsky, Ph.D.
Criminologist
"I think that when you are a sociopath, it's a characteristic that one develops over time.  I don't think that we can say he is safe for the public.  I don't think we will ever be able to know that for sure."

Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"He's right where he belongs...van der Sloot is right where he belongs."

STATEMENTS DURING THE CREDITS:

Joran van der Sloot is currently in prison in Lima, Peru, awaiting trial for the first-degree murder of Stephany Flores.

In June 2010, Joran van der Sloot was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud and extortion, for soliciting money from Natalee Holloway's mother.

He is presumed innocent on all counts until proven guilty.

No one is currently charged in the disappearance or murder of Natalee Holloway, although the case remains open.


THE END of the show.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:02:16 PM
I only saw part of this show.  John Ludwick is a weirdo.  He is a very creepy person.  His actions are strange.  Always smirking and laughing a little when answering a question.

Aline is an idiot and she looked terrible.l

I agree about John Ludwick.  Weird and creepy!  I haven't come to it yet in the transcript but iirc he only met Joran after Paulus died and Joran returned to Aruba for the memorial.  Why they interviewed him as someone who really knew Joran is beyond me.  Even though Joran ended up living with him during some of his last days in Aruba, he only knew him for a few months.

And Aline is just a ho looking for her five minutes of fame, any way she can get it.  MHO

I mean has Joran ever said she was his "girlfriend"?  IMO she was more like the girl that he screwed around on all his other girlfriend's with.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

 ::monkeyscissors::

Quote
To your question as to how many girlfriends I have, I answer you the following. I only have one girlfriend and her name is "Florencia METZ". Before I had "Elaine" and before that "Carmen JACAPOUCHI" And she works in the Hospital and at the moment if Freddy's girlfriend. I have been having girlfriends since I was 14 and her name was "Jillian JOHNSON" and she now lives in the States. Her father had built the "Marriot Hotel" and she and I were both enrolled at the "International school". I also had a girlfriend named "Melody GRANADILLO". I have had five serious girlfriends in total since I was 14.


Aline was just a booty call who did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

I agree with both of you.

Joran was living with John his final days in aruba because he has a blowup with Anita.  I guess it was such a big blow up that he went over Anita's house and left her a note before he left aruba.  Anita is a liar just like her son the monster.

Yes, I agree.  He learned from the master.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 04:20:11 PM
TM

Thank you so much.  I was not able to see the show.

YW, Buckeye.  I wish everyone could see it.  The visual aspects were very taking IMO also.  So many heart wrenching scenes from both cases.

Stephany's father kneeling down to kiss the headstone on her grave was heartbreaking.  And then the reminder that Natalee's family doesn't even have that final resting place for her.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

Aline, absolutely disgusting imo; and as San described her perfectly...an idiot (and she did look terrible too).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jo-An on August 22, 2010, 04:28:35 PM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2317425/proces-van-sloot-stagneert-tolk.html

Google translation:

"Van der Sloot trial stagnates because of interpretor"

Published: August 22, 2010 7:47 p.m.
Last updated: August 22, 2010 9:02 p.m.
LIMA - The trial in Peru against Joran van der Sloot is stagnant because there is no official translator. That Van der Sloots attorney Máximo Altez Saturday said of Peru's Panamericana Televisión television station.

© AFP
Panamericana Televisión showed a letter from the Peruvian Association of Sworn Translators. Suggests that it does not have members of the Spanish to Dutch to translate.
Also left the station a letter from the Dutch embassy see July 21, which draws not on an official translator available.

Authorities
According Altez the case can not go before the Peruvian authorities have solved problem of translation.
A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry said Sunday in a reaction that always lists embassies to give lawyers and accredited interpreters and translators may choose from which Dutch abroad suspected of committing a crime. Such lists are almost always available. The embassy does not itself according to the spokesman, interpreter / translator.
Van der Sloot would consider a lawsuit against the Chilean authorities to begin deportation because his not following the rules would have expired, said Panamericana Televisión.
Chile
He traveled on the flight from Peru to Chile and was arrested in the latter. Chile then set him off to Peru.
Joran van der Sloot is suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. He has told the police said, but is now embroiled in a proceeding for the confession to be nullified.
One of the arguments put forward by Van der Sloot, is that at present the questioning would have been sworn translator. On June 25 the judge rejected that request, but Van der Sloot has appealed. In a few days, the expected verdict, Justice said in a press release.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MisGivings on August 22, 2010, 04:52:54 PM
Video
Louis B. Schlesinger, Ph.D.
Forensic Psychologist
"What usually happens in cases like this is there's something sexual that causes some type of rage.  Either the victim does not want to engage in sex or the offender himself can't perform sexually and feels humiliated in some way that is responded to in an outburst of rage and violence."
Oh this makes so much sense!!!
Remember when he was asked what he did after Stephany was lying on the floor (?) err on the computer, he said he masturbated. So he was in some state of arrousal at some point.

I suspect that all the action with being a pimp was compensation for his sexual inadequacies. And men will go a long way to cover up their little sexual issues, it's a deep dark secret.
He probably imagined she was Guido.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 22, 2010, 06:54:29 PM
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2317425/proces-van-sloot-stagneert-tolk.html

Google translation:

"Van der Sloot trial stagnates because of interpretor"

Published: August 22, 2010 7:47 p.m.
Last updated: August 22, 2010 9:02 p.m.
LIMA - The trial in Peru against Joran van der Sloot is stagnant because there is no official translator. That Van der Sloots attorney Máximo Altez Saturday said of Peru's Panamericana Televisión television station.

© AFP
Panamericana Televisión showed a letter from the Peruvian Association of Sworn Translators. Suggests that it does not have members of the Spanish to Dutch to translate.
Also left the station a letter from the Dutch embassy see July 21, which draws not on an official translator available.

Authorities
According Altez the case can not go before the Peruvian authorities have solved problem of translation.
A spokesman for the Foreign Ministry said Sunday in a reaction that always lists embassies to give lawyers and accredited interpreters and translators may choose from which Dutch abroad suspected of committing a crime. Such lists are almost always available. The embassy does not itself according to the spokesman, interpreter / translator.
Van der Sloot would consider a lawsuit against the Chilean authorities to begin deportation because his not following the rules would have expired, said Panamericana Televisión.
Chile
He traveled on the flight from Peru to Chile and was arrested in the latter. Chile then set him off to Peru.
Joran van der Sloot is suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. He has told the police said, but is now embroiled in a proceeding for the confession to be nullified.
One of the arguments put forward by Van der Sloot, is that at present the questioning would have been sworn translator. On June 25 the judge rejected that request, but Van der Sloot has appealed. In a few days, the expected verdict, Justice said in a press release.


Maurice Steins has the initials CEN, under his signature.  Translators can be certified by the latest European translator standard which is CEN.  The old standard was ISO.  I have no idea if  the CEN, under his name, indicates this certification.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 07:53:15 PM
http://www.asaparuba.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=viewcategory&catid=344&Itemid=40#category

Glitz & Glam "Ivana Werleman" Fund-Raising Party at Tierra del Sol | Banner Pictures (July 30th, 2010)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/glitz__glam_ivana_werleman_fund-raising_party_at_tierra_del_sol__banner_pictures_july_30th_2010_344/ivana_36_20100731_1757201227.jpg)  (http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/glitz__glam_ivana_werleman_fund-raising_party_at_tierra_del_sol__banner_pictures_july_30th_2010_344/ivana_37_20100731_1442926425.jpg)

(http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/glitz__glam_ivana_werleman_fund-raising_party_at_tierra_del_sol__banner_pictures_july_30th_2010_344/ivana_26_20100731_1258969091.jpg)  (http://www.asaparuba.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/glitz__glam_ivana_werleman_fund-raising_party_at_tierra_del_sol__banner_pictures_july_30th_2010_344/ivana_27_20100731_1329876503.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2010, 08:50:03 PM
And just for Anna  -----


http://www.aapimage.com.au/Search.aspx?search=PETER+DE+VRIES+ARREST+PERTH%26%28IMPORTDATE%3E20100820%29

Scroll over pics for the descriptions.


Thank you so much, Tibro.  What are those police thinking?  They don't want to make me have to come down there!



 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 09:02:16 PM
And just for Anna  -----


http://www.aapimage.com.au/Search.aspx?search=PETER+DE+VRIES+ARREST+PERTH%26%28IMPORTDATE%3E20100820%29

Scroll over pics for the descriptions.

Thank you so much, Tibro.  What are those police thinking?  They don't want to make me have to come down there!


 ::MonkeySlide::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2010, 09:12:45 PM
TM, thanks for all that translating and the news as usual.  I am going back and read some more of it.

If anyone seems a replay of this, please post it as I would still like to see it even after reading the translation.

It sounds as though they are really focusing on Joran and his completely evil ego.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2010, 09:16:14 PM
Isn't Aline the one Joran got kicked out of the VIP club for having sex with in the nasty bathroom?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure he was kicked out of some club, not sure of the name, for having sex with her in the bathroom.

Ah, good times Aruba style.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure he was kicked out of some club, not sure of the name, for having sex with her in the bathroom.

Ah, good times Aruba style.

Hi Anna  ::HelloKitty::  I remember reading about Joran getting kicked out of a club for having sex with a girl in the bathroom, but at this point, I can't recall the name of the club OR the girl.  Blech! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 22, 2010, 09:56:24 PM
TM

Thank you so much.  I was not able to see the show.

YW, Buckeye.  I wish everyone could see it.  The visual aspects were very taking IMO also.  So many heart wrenching scenes from both cases.

Stephany's father kneeling down to kiss the headstone on her grave was heartbreaking.  And then the reminder that Natalee's family doesn't even have that final resting place for her.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

Aline, absolutely disgusting imo; and as San described her perfectly...an idiot (and she did look terrible too).


Texasmom you did a fantastic job transcribing that show and thank you again.  You did it 100 times better than I could have ever done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 22, 2010, 09:58:52 PM
HIBBERT, Aline -  character witness as listed on pg 33 Tacopina’s filing in NY civil suit.  Daughter of Fritz Hibbert, the registered owner of the "Hotel Baccarat" Strip club in Aruba and also the listed contact for: http://www.hibbert-solarsystem.com/ .  According to Cafe Bahia management, it seems Van der sloot and Aline Hibbert were "making out" in the women's bathroom of the club on more than one occasion. Club Bahia initially asked the two to stop, yet it seems Joran and Aline were unable to control themselves. After a second request, Joran Van der sloot was asked to leave on the condition he will not be allowed to return under any circumstances.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 22, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
Good job TM. I got to see it at 2AM this morning. Great show. Jaap finally got part of his video on the air. I wonder what they had to pay for it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:25:58 PM
From a press conference in Oct last year (local and international). 

http://www.diario.aw/2009/10/paulina-rubio-y-fonseca-a-topa-ayera-cu-prensa-local-y-internacional/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fonsecarubio2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:45:26 PM
TM, thanks for all that translating and the news as usual.  I am going back and read some more of it.

If anyone seems a replay of this, please post it as I would still like to see it even after reading the translation.

It sounds as though they are really focusing on Joran and his completely evil ego.

YW Anna!   ::teddybear::

I hope they'll replay it again soon, so many who missed the shows this weekend can see it!

There was a film clip in the show also that I think may have been Joran playing in the ocean when he was very young and completely blonde.  I've been wondering ever since I saw it if Anita got paid for it and how much!  ::MonkeyNoNo:: :smt011 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:48:34 PM
TM

Thank you so much.  I was not able to see the show.

YW, Buckeye.  I wish everyone could see it.  The visual aspects were very taking IMO also.  So many heart wrenching scenes from both cases.

Stephany's father kneeling down to kiss the headstone on her grave was heartbreaking.  And then the reminder that Natalee's family doesn't even have that final resting place for her.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::

Aline, absolutely disgusting imo; and as San described her perfectly...an idiot (and she did look terrible too).


Texasmom you did a fantastic job transcribing that show and thank you again.  You did it 100 times better than I could have ever done.

Thanks San!   ::MonkeyKiss::

But I still think you're the best at summarizing!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Good job TM. I got to see it at 2AM this morning. Great show. Jaap finally got part of his video on the air. I wonder what they had to pay for it?

Thanks SuzieQ!   ::MonkeyKiss::

No idea what they may have paid for Jaap's part in the show, but I'm glad it was in it!  The comments from Jaap and the others plus the outburst of rage when they confronted him over trying to beat the test is just that much more proof of Joran's behavior pattern IMO.

I loved that he thought he was so smart, and they still caught him in every lie.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2010, 10:58:40 PM

THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES?

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008


Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

PETER DEVIRES:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:

Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Beth Holloway

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Karin Janssen - First Arrest - June, 2005

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Karin Janssen - Second Arrest - August, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Hans Mos - Third Arrest - November, 2007

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney

Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR IS WORKING HARD ON THE CASE?


Peter Devries

02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN


For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


Dave Holloway

Natalee Holloway's Dad: Aruba Investigators Ignored Another Potential Witness
Thursday, November 20, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Hans Mos does not believe this witness?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Hans Mos does not believe the witness. And when the witness gave his statement, it's my understanding that when he got -- when he almost got to the part talking about the judge (Paulus), Hans Mos made a comment that, what a nice guy he was and all this kind of stuff. ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Did the -- did -- was there ever any follow-up to see whether or not your witness had information that was truly helpful? Did Hans Mos, even though he didn't believe him -- did he at least assign someone to go out and investigate and look at that pond area?

HOLLOWAY: No, he didn't. You know, we had asked him to. And in fact, we had planned to go excavate the pond ourselves, and these hurricanes came through and one came close to Aruba and filled the pond back up with water. It's still our plan to go back. I think Hans Mos and I discussed, you know, Natalee's not in the pond, but we believe that, you know, he could possibly find a tennis shoe, maybe her driver's license or even some of Natalee's clothing, which would help lead into, you know, the timeline. And also, this witness implicates Paulus van der Sloot. So if that's the case, you know, that needs to be done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455069,00.html


Beth Holloway

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Karin Janssen was the original prosecutor and Hans Mos took over. When she left Aruba, did she call you and sort of tie up lose ends, or did she just sort of vanish from your radar screen?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: ... So you know, that's always been an issue, just no communication from the prosecuting attorney's office. And you know, it just leaves you wondering, you know, where are you? And you hear all this information coming them, saying that they're following up on every lead. Well, you know, that's just simply not true. They're not following up on any leads.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Quote from: jen3560 on July 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM

Natalee's Freebirds heard from this family member on Sept 14 2008 with the info that Beth was not at all happy with Mos.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5372.msg884344#msg884344


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2010, 10:59:32 PM
From a press conference in Oct last year (local and international). 

http://www.diario.aw/2009/10/paulina-rubio-y-fonseca-a-topa-ayera-cu-prensa-local-y-internacional/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fonsecarubio2.jpg)


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 22, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
Thanks, TM, for your transcript. I didn't have much time online due to a b-day party for a great-nephew's 5th today but I'm here.  I did try to find out if there would be a replay early today but was not successful.  I hope you are right and it's replayed...I think it will be. 

Thanks, again.  & San has your back.   :smt067

::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 11:48:35 PM
Thanks, TM, for your transcript. I didn't have much time online due to a b-day party for a great-nephew's 5th today but I'm here.  I did try to find out if there would be a replay early today but was not successful.  I hope you are right and it's replayed...I think it will be. 

Thanks, again.  & San has your back.   :smt067

::MonkeyHaHa::

YW 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I bet the party was fun!  I wouldn't take anything for the memories of them, but I wouldn't want to have to give another five year old's party!  I get tired just thinking about it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And I couldn't ask for anyone better to have my back!   ::MonkeyCool:: :smt066 ::MonkeyCool::
 ::MonkeyWink::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2010, 11:59:45 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6341.0

DANA PRETZER SHOW FEB 13, 2008 WITH BETH HOLLOWAY, PETER R. DEVRIES, AND MORE!

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/beth_twitty_small1.jpg)

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::

Beth Holloway:  Hi, how are you?

Dana:  I’m doing great, I’m doing great.  Listen before we get started with the interview many news reports have said that Aruban authorities would be announcing today if there was going to be a re arrest of Joran Vandersloot.  Have you heard anything?

Beth:  No I have not heard anything as of yet.

Dana:  Yeah I’ve been checking my sources and contacts and I haven’t heard anything either but hopefully we’ll have some good news.  Alright let’s set that aside.  I’m going to be speaking to Peter R. DeVries this evening.  Peter R. DeVries must hold a special place in your heart, tell us about that.

Beth:  Oh absolutely, well I think that we all would have to hail Peter DeVries as “the king” and I’m sure he does not like to be referred to that at all.

Dana:  No

Beth:  But I just can’t help it he’s just... I’ll say he was just heroic in that he stepped forward in order to bring light onto what happened and to all the circumstances surrounding Natalee’s disappearance.  And I feel that I cannot say thank you to Peter DeVries without also Patrick. 

Dana:  Yes

Beth:  You know this young man that...who’s just a father and wanted to see the right thing done, who stepped forward to also partner with Peter DeVries and make this all possible; so absolutely heroic for both of them.

Dana:  Peter and his team have done a stand up job.  Better than law enforcement have ever done.  Hopefully this will result in some court appearances and some convictions.  Time will tell but you know Beth I’ve interviewed you several times on the program and we’ve talked about answers.  Answers are something that you’ve been looking for, obviously you’re also looking for your daughter and we all hope and pray that you’ll be able to bring her home soon but did you receive the answers that you were looking for by watching that undercover tape?

Beth:  Well absolutely I did and I think I even have to back it up to what you said when you were opening your show.  Justice does come in many forms as I’ve learned and yes justice came for me as an answer and I did receive the answer and second I think I did receive justice just in the validation of the fight.  And meaning that you know every step that we took was well worth it.  And you know of course the third form of justice that I would like to see that we all would like to see is Joran Vandersloot behind bars. 

Dana:  Yes

Beth:  I feel so strongly that he is a time bomb and he’s waiting to go off and he will strike again and so it’s not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars because I think that he could certainly strike again and I think he will strike again I think he was only building in his behaviors and recklessness and I think he’s shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions.

Dana:  Country’s, islands, cities, towns whatever their leaders take a vow that they will protect their citizenry.  They protect their citizenry, they protect their visitors, Aruba obviously failed in the situation.  Crime does happen we all understand that but it’s the goal and the responsibility of organizations, countries, law enforcement, you name it to conduct a proper investigation.  Now that this has gone to this extreme, I know that you have been somewhat reluctant in the past to talk about it because you were concentrating on finding your daughter and we all understand that.  But when I’ve interviewed Jug and Dave and others and we’ve talked about situations where the strange questions that you were asked when you first arrived on the island.  Jug and I spoke about that here back in December and now it’s become pretty obvious that there has to be more to this story than what we’re hearing.  Some would say that there’s corruption and cover up from the beginning.  I know that’s not going to help bring Joran Vandersloot to justice and put him behind bars and maybe it’s something that may need to be dealt with later but I’m curious Beth on your take on now compared to three, four months ago.

Beth:  Well you’re exactly right there are two different tracks.  And one is to stay focused on Joran and his admissions and what the investigators and prosecution can now do with him.  But I think the second thing to be faced eventually is we need to get to the bottom of exactly what was transpiring in the first 48 hours of Natalee’s disappearance.  You know to set aside Joran we have to look at you know we had some stunning revelations that were being admitted from Joran as he was describing them, it couldn’t help but take us back to the very beginning.  The first 48 hours after her disappearance where a lead detective asked us only one medical question.  And it was does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures, and the answer of course was no.  And we didn’t know why that question kept resurfacing during the months of Natalee’s disappearance but I think that our stunning revelation was when Joran admitted that to Patrick, it’s very suspicious.  And it’s certainly a red flag that needs to be delved into.  There is a reason why this was asked of us and we need to get to the bottom of why.  So there are two different tracks but the one I really want to stay focused on right now is Joran and his admissions and as far as delving into what happened in the first 48 hours, that’s just going to be a whole separate ballgame.

Dana:  I agree with you completely, it’s something that we’ll stay focused on for sure.  The old saying Beth and without trying to be callous here, parents aren’t supposed to bury their children, children are supposed to bury their parents.  When you see a video like you saw and I use these terms callous, cold, arrogant, and some that I can’t say on the radio.  It must have made your skin crawl to watch this individual bragging, degrading your daughter the way that he did.  It was just absolutely sickening.

Beth:  Well you’re right parents aren’t supposed to bury their children and what is so, what is just so sickening to me is Joran has decided to bury everyone.  Natalee, his parents, his entire...I should not say his parents...but his mother.  You know I’ve felt from day one that his father has been involved but due to his actions Joran has buried his father deep into this with him.  I do feel that his father played a major role in Natalee’s disappearance.  But I think about his family.  I think about all the people that stepped forward to try to help.  I mean he’s just stepped on...he would step on anyone’s back to try to protect himself so I think he’s just blatantly showing us that he has an utter disregard for anyone’s human existence but his own so he would stop at nothing to bury anyone.

snipped  ::monkeyscissors::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 23, 2010, 01:29:37 AM
I think Booshi Wever craves as much attention as Joran.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76950.php

'Whoever congratulates Bouterse, lacks morality’
20 Aug, 2010, 12:49 (GMT -04:00)
 
 
ORANJESTAD – “Everyone congratulating Desi Bouterse lacks morality”. Theo Para, publicist for the Dutch magazine De Groene Amsterdammer states this. In this, he responds to party-leader Booshi Wever (MEP) congratulating the new president of Suriname.

Para is one of the most marked opponents of Desi Bouterse. In the past twenty years, he devoted many columns in the Surinamese and Dutch media on Bouterse’ performance in the Surinamese and international politics, which columns he also published in one volume last year. The subject of Para’s writing, Desi Bouterse, is a controversial personality in the international politics. Bouterse seized power in Suriname twice, was convicted in the Netherlands of drug trade and is currently defendant in a court case regarding the so-called ‘December-murders’. In addition, Bouterse dictatorial regime was the main issue in a court case from the International Court for the Human Rights as a result of a mass murder in the native village Moiwana.

“Congratulating Bouterse can only be interpreted as supporting and accepting a criminal, someone who is convicted of drug offences and crimes against the human rights”, says Para. “And anyone forwarding congratulations from Aruba, furthermore completely ignores the fact there were two Arubans amongst the fifteen victims of the December-murders. Two ‘yio di tera’ (fellow countrymen), namely Frank Wijngaarde and Lesley Rahman, and both were born on Aruba” according to Para.
The writer therefore also finds that Wever ‘fails morally’ and that his congratulations meant for Bouterse, ‘were absolutely not applicable’, as Wever is in the parliament, and does not represent the Aruban government.
Para also draws attention to the fact that Bouterse’ appointment is in defiance of article 92 of the Surinamese Constitution. That article namely states that someone who has acted contrary to the constitution cannot become a president. “Human rights’ organizations have protested against this, but the parliament still went ahead”, says Para.

 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 01:39:36 AM
I agree SuzieQ, my bet is they are a lot alike...   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 01:41:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:10:06 AM
Friends of blood

(http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/images/2010/agosto/23/p1.jpg)

The three are caught in the area of prevention Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, processed on the same charges, the murder of three Peruvians, and they also share our country have come to fill the police pages.

A newspaper report yesterday showed a photo propagated that you can see the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (confessed murderer of Stephany Flores), the Colombian Alejandro Trujillo Ospina (thug Fefer Myriam completed) and American (alleged murderer of Jana Gomez embracing and smiling.

In the picture you can see the three criminal inmates sharing a sense of camaraderie, and even smiling, hugging the side of another inmate of the prison.

In addition, the scene would confirm what the last days hatched criminal testimony indicated that the three foreigners have become friends and spend the day talking, especially the Netherlands and American citizen, because it would unite his love of card games . The proximity of the three murderers is also due to they are very separate from common criminals to avoid being victims of some attempt on their lives. As recalled, the gunman Trujillo was extradited from Argentina in recent months to face trial here for the case Fefer, and who takes pride in his nickname by making a gun gesture with his hands, pointing to himself and his partner in the image, the Dutchman Joran remains imprisoned following his confession of murder and awaiting trial, while William Trickett was extradited two weeks ago when it was found that would be seriously implicated in the murder of Jana Gonzales, to whom he was Peruvian married, and then finalize put the corpse in a suitcase and threw it into the sea of Lima.

The scene issued yesterday by the program "Sunday Today" also confirms that three foreigners have some comfort that others do not enjoy being held at the Castro Castro, such as access to a camera, purpose prohibited by the rules themselves National Institute of Corrections.

http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/amigos-de-sangre_68746.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:12:06 AM
Joran, Trujillo and murderer of the suitcase friends  (video)

http://www.peru.com/noticias/videos20100822/114015/Joran-Trujillo-y-asesino-de-la-maleta-amigos


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:19:53 AM
11:27 Van der Sloot, Trujillo and William Ospina Trickett together in Castro Castro
 The news Sunday Propal Day one image where you can see the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the Colombian Alejandro Ospina Trujillo and William Trickett, the three foreigners accused of committing the most notorious crimes in our capital.
 
The three offenders are incarcerated, and separated from other prisoners in a special atmosphere in the Miguel Castro Castro prison.

Van der Sloot is on trial for the murder of Stephany Flores, Ospina Trujillo is the prime suspect in the murder of businesswoman Myriam Fefer, while William Trickett was extradited because he is suspected of murdering his wife and throwing her remains into the sea.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_parent=&txtSecci_id=51&txtNota_id=418881


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:21:56 AM
Joran, Trujillo William Ospina and Trickett are photographed in Castro Castro prison

Are murderers by nature?

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the Colombian Alejandro Ospina Trujillo and William Trickett, accused in Peru for several murders, would be friends in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where they are held.

This is a photo show, broadcast by the news 'Sunday a day' American TV, where you see them posing as calm and even smiling. The image show that the three foreigners themselves are frequent within the prison, as recently reported in some media.

As recalled, Joran Van der Sloot is being investigated for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores (21). For its part, Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, who was recently extradited by Argentina, is facing criminal proceedings as the main suspect in the murder of Jewish business Myriam Fefer.

Meanwhile, William Trickett, who was extradited a few weeks ago the United States, maintains a pending trial for the murder of his Peruvian wife, Jana Claudia Gomez Mendez.

According to information from the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), these three subjects are in an isolated area of the Castro Castro prison.

http://www.periodismoenlinea.org/actualidad/3-act/7612-joran-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-fotografias-en-penal-castro-castro


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:24:08 AM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-amigos-afirman-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/520791.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:27:12 AM
Joran, 'Clown' and William's best friends
A photo shows the three murderers together and smiling at the Miguel Castro Castro prison.

Birds of a feather flock together. Joran Van der Sloot, William Trickett and Trujillo Alejandro Ospina "Clown" the three accused of heinous crimes have become inseparable friends. In a photo shown on "Sunday Today" is the three hugged and smiling.

A Joran is seen with some extra kilos and beard, while Alejandro Trujillo is the most smiling in the picture, even posing as a rapper. At the other end is seen to William Trickett, recently extradited by the death of his wife, Jana Claudia Gomez occurred in 2007. He is still a bit fearful. Sources for this program will ensure that this picture is the moment of welcome and Clown Joran gave Trickett.
Also knew that Joran continues his penchant for poker, gambling that he shared with former mayor Luis Valdez, as a "clown" does not like the game. The three are in an isolated area of the Castro Castro prison.

http://trome.pe/noticia/627345/joran-payaso-y-william-mejores-amigos


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:33:10 AM
Case against Joran van der Sloot is delayed due to lack of translator Netherlands
(with video of the lawyer, Stephany's grave and some documents)

"The process has to be frozen until they find an official interpreter," said Maximo Highness, lawyer for confessed murderer of Stephany Flores


The lack of an official interpreter and Dutchman Joran van der Sloot would make the case against the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores is trapped at least until the Peruvian authorities solve the problem.

So what's lawyer said Van der Sloot, Maximum Highness, who argued that "if there is no interpreter, the process can not advance because due process requires that, there must be an interpreter in the language of my sponsor, Netherlands" .

The television news program "24 Hours" agreed to a letter dated Aug. 10, where the Board of Sworn Translators of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs indicated that there was no language translator Dutchman, as he had pointed to the Embassy of Holland July 21 in another document. So far, the problem is not solved.

On the other hand, the Dutchman would be evaluated denounce the government of Chile for allegedly there were irregularities in his expulsion from that country and coming back to Peru.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/627013/proceso-contra-joran-van-der-sloot-se-atrasa-falta-traductor-holandes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:36:52 AM
He looks much happier with his new buddies now then he did here

(http://www.rpp.com.pe/declaran-infundado-habeas-corpus-a-joran-van-der-sloot-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/488603.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: RoxiBalboa on August 23, 2010, 09:08:44 AM
Here are show times for Who is the Real Joran van der Sloot on A&E. These are EST listings:

8/23 9pm
8/24 1am


correction to above post: it is now being shown on BIO , not A&E

Edited by San


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: RoxiBalboa on August 23, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
correction to above post: it is now being shown on BIO , not A&E


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2010, 10:34:03 AM
 ::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/234.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 23, 2010, 11:21:17 AM
::MonkeyWink::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/234.zoom3.jpg)

Steering clear away from Aruba...(http://bestsmileys.com/water/4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2010, 12:24:19 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::    Good one, Muffybee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 12:32:05 PM
I did not realize that Spanish was the language encompassing the confession of Joran.  I thought I had read that a translator was provided by the Dutch Embassy in Peru.

Janet

+++++

Appeals panel considers van der Sloot's confession
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 23, 2010 10:11 a.m. EDT


(CNN) -- A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In Session on Friday.

Van der Sloot is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old student.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen, who claims in court documents that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay in July. Van der Sloot says Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, said Altez.

Romero has denied those allegations.

In June, a superior court judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of van der Sloot. Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as "unfounded" van der Sloot's habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney.

Van der Sloot also claimed his laptop had been improperly searched.

In an official press release, the judge said the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

Separately, van der Sloot remains a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, though he has not been charged in that case.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/20/peru.van.der.sloot/

+++++++


Van der Sloot's former attorney rejects lawsuit claims
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 20, 2010 -- Updated 0157 GMT (0957 HKT)


CNN) -- The attorney who represented Joran van der Sloot during his confession in the case of the killing of a Peruvian woman says that van der Sloot hired her to be his attorney, contradicting a claim he makes in a pending lawsuit.

Van der Sloot, currently in a Peruvian prison pending an appeal on a motion that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay earlier this month. The Dutch citizen claims that Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, according to his current attorney, Maximo Altez.

In an exclusive interview with HLN and "In Session," Romero refutes the allegations.

Contrary to the accusations in the lawsuit, Romero said she became involved with van der Sloot after learning that he refused a state-appointed attorney and requested a private attorney.

"I asked (van der Sloot) if he wanted my services and he said yes," Romero said. "I told him the on-duty defense attorney was present and I asked him if he wanted to give a statement through them. He said no, he wanted a private defense attorney."

Van der Sloot wanted to talk to her about the case, she said, but felt uncomfortable with the others in the room -- the prosecutor, a police officer and a translator.

After the others left, the two reached a verbal agreement that she would represent him. Romero remembers asking him about payment. He replied that his mother would pay his legal fees. Then, the others returned to the room and he gave his confession to authorities.

Now, van der Sloot alleges that he never agreed to have Romero as his attorney.

Another contradiction that Romero brought forward involves van der Sloot's knowledge of Spanish. According to the motion to dismiss his confession as illegal, van der Sloot alleges that he didn't understand Spanish enough to know what he was being told to sign.

Romero said their conversation was in perfect Spanish.

According to Romero, van der Sloot was calm during his statement and afterwards spoke with his mother on the phone. Her advice, Romero said, was her son not make any statements or sign anything. But it was too late.

Van der Sloot also told Romero that he was interested in talking about the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, where he is a suspect, because he thought it might get him extradited to Aruba.

Referring to his new legal strategy, Romero said, "I think every attorney does his work differently, they have their own professional ethic. I respect this professional (Altez) but his actions point to (wanting) to nullify the preliminary investigation. But like I said he had all the guarantees of the due process."

She also questioned the truthfulness of van der Sloot. For instance, when he signed some documents after talking to his mother, Romero noticed that he signed very differently than what he signed on the police statement, she said.

"I told him, 'you signed differently' and he winked his eye and made a silence signal with his hands," Romero said.

She added, "God will clarify everything and I will rest at peace that my innocence in respect to the charges that this man has against me will be made public -- saying that I was working with authorities to lie to this Dutchman -- which is not true."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/19/peru.van.der.sloot.attorney/index.html?hpt=T2#fbid=yZq5EryhJHn&wom=true


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 12:35:11 PM
It appears the search is on for a Dutch translator.

Janet

++++++

Van der Sloot case stagnates in Peru
Monday 23 August 2010


The legal process against Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of murdering a Peruvian woman, has ground to a halt, the 22-year-old Dutchman's laywer told Peruvian tv station Panamericana Televisión on Saturday night.

Lawyer Máximo Altez told the programme the case is stagnating because no official interpreter can be found, it is widely reported in Dutch newspapers on Monday.

Van der Sloot is accused of murdering 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. He originally confessed to the murder but is now trying to get the confession nullified.

Panamericana Televisión showed a letter from the Peruvian association of translators and interpreters which said it has no one who can translate from Spanish into Dutch. It also showed a letter from the Dutch embassy in which it says it has no official interpreter available.

A spokesman for the foreign affairs ministry told the Telegraaf on Sunday evening that embassies always provide a list of lawyers and interpreters to nationals accused of crimes abroad, but does not provide interpreters itself.

Van der Sloot is also facing unrelated charges of extortion and wire fraud in Alabama, US and was twice arrested and released in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba five years ago.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/08/the_legal_process_against_jora.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 12:39:32 PM
Legal Maneuvering in van der Sloot's Peru case (UPDATED)
Last Update: 11:22 am 


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Is Joran van der Sloot a psychopathic killer of young women….a beleaguered victim of circumstance….an amazing legal escape artist…or some combination?   The question is increasingly relevant as he appeals a murder confession in Peru.

He’s in a Peruvian prison accused of murdering 21 year old Stephany Flores. He’s considered the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Police in Thailand are reportedly investigating his ties to a sex slave plot in that country.

Yet he’s never been convicted of any of those crimes.

Although police in Aruba questioned him several times in Holloway’s disappearance on a graduation trip to the island…and although she was last seen with van der Sloot…he was never charged with a crime there.

His situation is Peru is murkier. Police there have a variety of evidence. Flores’ corpse was found in his Lima hotel room. Security cameras show the two of them entering the room and him leaving without her. There is reportedly forensic evidence from the room. And Peruvian investigators say he confessed to killing Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

It’s not van der Sloot’s first confession….he’s confessed…and recanted…several times regarding Natalee. A Peruvian judge rejected van der Sloot’s initial appeal that his Flores confession was coerced, that he had improper legal representation and didn’t have a proper translator present.

A three judge panel is currently considering an appeal of that effort to throw out the confession.

Now, the website Dutchnnews.nl is citing Peruvian TV station Panamericana Television as saying the legal process against van der Sloot has “ground to a halt.”

Lawyer Máximo Altez told the programme the case is stagnating because no official interpreter can be found.

Panamericana Televisión showed a letter from the Peruvian association of translators and interpreters which said it has no one who can translate from Spanish into Dutch. It also showed a letter from the Dutch embassy in which it says it has no official interpreter available.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf quoted the Dutch Foreign Ministry as saying it provides lists of qualified interpreters in every country but does not, itself, provide interpreters.

UPDATE:  Radio Netherlands Worldwide offers a bit more information in an article titled Joran van der Sloot trial grinds to a halt:  "A representative for the Netherlands’ Foreign Ministry said in a response on Sunday evening that its embassies always provide lists of lawyers and recognised translators, from which Dutch citizens accused of a crime aboard can choose. Reliable lists are always available. The embassies themselves, said the representative, do not provide translators."

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Legal-Maneuvering-in-van-der-Sloots-Peru-case/dt8wxB1m5UK8FNJeygX60w.cspx



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Legal Maneuvering in van der Sloot's Peru case (UPDATED)
Last Update: 11:22 am 


<snipped>

UPDATE:  Radio Netherlands Worldwide offers a bit more information in an article titled Joran van der Sloot trial grinds to a halt:  "A representative for the Netherlands’ Foreign Ministry said in a response on Sunday evening that its embassies always provide lists of lawyers and recognised translators, from which Dutch citizens accused of a crime aboard can choose. Reliable lists are always available. The embassies themselves, said the representative, do not provide translators."

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Legal-Maneuvering-in-van-der-Sloots-Peru-case/dt8wxB1m5UK8FNJeygX60w.cspx




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 23, 2010, 12:54:29 PM
Legal Maneuvering in van der Sloot's Peru case (UPDATED)
Last Update: 11:22 am 


<snipped>

UPDATE:  Radio Netherlands Worldwide offers a bit more information in an article titled Joran van der Sloot trial grinds to a halt:  "A representative for the Netherlands’ Foreign Ministry said in a response on Sunday evening that its embassies always provide lists of lawyers and recognised translators, from which Dutch citizens accused of a crime aboard can choose. Reliable lists are always available. The embassies themselves, said the representative, do not provide translators."

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Legal-Maneuvering-in-van-der-Sloots-Peru-case/dt8wxB1m5UK8FNJeygX60w.cspx



Yeah this is actually old news being rehashed it seems.  Joran's attorney doesn't have a case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 01:07:31 PM
Legal Maneuvering in van der Sloot's Peru case (UPDATED)
Last Update: 11:22 am 


<snipped>

UPDATE:  Radio Netherlands Worldwide offers a bit more information in an article titled Joran van der Sloot trial grinds to a halt:  "A representative for the Netherlands’ Foreign Ministry said in a response on Sunday evening that its embassies always provide lists of lawyers and recognised translators, from which Dutch citizens accused of a crime aboard can choose. Reliable lists are always available. The embassies themselves, said the representative, do not provide translators."

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Legal-Maneuvering-in-van-der-Sloots-Peru-case/dt8wxB1m5UK8FNJeygX60w.cspx



Yeah this is actually old news being rehashed it seems.  Joran's attorney doesn't have a case.

Klaas

My perspective is different.  Maybe a Dutch translator should have been provided.  Apparently the judge's decision in regards to whether Joran's rights undermined under Peruvian law will be forthcoming this week.

The confession.  Joran lies.  I believe the evidence can stand alone.

Janet

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Appeals panel considers van der Sloot's confession
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 23, 2010 10:11 a.m. EDT


(CNN) -- A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In Session on Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/20/peru.van.der.sloot/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 01:53:29 PM
Translator from the Dutch embassy?

Peru police give Van der Sloot murder case to prosecutors
The Associated Press
LIMA, Peru June 10, 2010 (AP)


We've practically closed the case," criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced.  He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=10873420&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=10873420&page=4


According to Peruvian Law

Van der Sloot charged with murder in PeruFrom Mayra Cuevas , CNN
June 17, 2010 9:28 p.m. EDT


In the Holloway case, van der Sloot told investigators during an interrogation that he knows the location of her body, a Peruvian police official said. But van der Sloot would not identify the location or say what happened to her the night of her disappearance, said Miguel Canlla, head of the homicide division of the Peruvian national police investigative unit.

"In the interrogation done to the Dutch citizen, he says he knew the location of the corpse of the American citizen but that he was going to explain everything to Aruban police," Canlla said Thursday.

Canlla said Thursday that Aruban police were not currently in Peru and that he did not know whether Aruban and Peruvian investigators had been in contact.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has said he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law,"  he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 02:02:40 PM
Salazar Minister regrets that 'advertise' to foreign murderers (with audio)

He said the Castro Castro prison, where they are Van Der Sloot, Alejandro Trujillo and William Trickett, belongs to the MoJ, which is why the minister dels sector must respond.
The Interior Minister Octavio Salazar, advertising is being questioned on the front pages of newspapers to foreigners investigated by Joran Van Der Sloot murders, Alejandro Trujillo and William Trickett Smith Ospina.

He explained that the photograph, which can be seen these people, could be taken with a cell phone, but that any recording media is banned in the prison.

The press has published a photograph are embracing the Dutchman Van Der Sloot, who killed the young Stephany Flores Trujillo Colombian Ospina, Myriam perpetrator Fefer and American Trickett Smith, called the "murderer of the bag."

Salazar said the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where these people are imprisoned, is in charge of the Ministry of Justice, therefore, the owner of this sector must respond.

On the other hand, said that more than ten thousand police officers who provide security on the streets of Lima, and only five thousand as reported.

Speaking to reporters, said that it is possible to assign agents to the streets, but can not neglect the safety of judges, prosecutors investigating cases of drug trafficking, corruption and terrorism.

Regarding the defect against the municipal chair candidate Alex Kouri, said that "laws are to meet, and if the National Elections Jury (JNE)" chose to cross out their reasons should have. "

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-08-23-ministro-salazar-lamenta-que-se-publicite-a-extranjeros-asesinos-noticia_289867.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
Legal Maneuvering in van der Sloot's Peru case (UPDATED)
Last Update: 11:22 am 


<snipped>

UPDATE:  Radio Netherlands Worldwide offers a bit more information in an article titled Joran van der Sloot trial grinds to a halt:  "A representative for the Netherlands’ Foreign Ministry said in a response on Sunday evening that its embassies always provide lists of lawyers and recognised translators, from which Dutch citizens accused of a crime aboard can choose. Reliable lists are always available. The embassies themselves, said the representative, do not provide translators."

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Legal-Maneuvering-in-van-der-Sloots-Peru-case/dt8wxB1m5UK8FNJeygX60w.cspx



According to the Peruvian judge who ruled at the end of June that Joran's confession was obtained legally ... a translator was provided by the Dutch Embassy.

Janet

+++++++


Flashback

LIMA, Peru, June 26, 2010
Judge: Van der Sloot Confession Stands


(CBS/AP)  A Peruvian judge on Friday denied a defense motion to void the confession of Joran van der Sloot in the slaying of Stephany Flores.

The motion claimed the confession should be dismissed because the attorney representing van der Sloot at the time was state-appointed.

Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique  rejected the habeas corpus move made on behalf of Van der Sloot, who is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in his Lima hotel room of 21-year-old Peruvian business student Stephany Flores. He met her while playing poker in a casino.

Van der Sloot, 22, also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba. He's never been charged in that crime.

Flores' brother hailed the decision in an interview with CBS News, and said his family has been in touch with Holloway's.

Peruvian police say their search of van der Sloot's computer discovered e-mails relating to the Holloway case. In his confession, van der Sloot said he killed Flores after she read one of those e-mails.

Casique noted in a statement that Van der Sloot had, in addition to the lawyer, been afforded a Dutch-Spanish interpreter vetted by the Dutch Embassy.  

Van der Sloot recanted the confession in a jailhouse interview with the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, claiming it was made under duress.

The defendant's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told The Associated Press he would appeal Casique's decision to a higher court.

A criminal law expert, Jose Balcazar, told the AP that Van der Sloot can continue the appeal but "that will not hold up the case against him."

Earlier Friday, the chief judge of Lima's Superior Court, Cesar Vega, told reporters that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trials.

But legal expert Mario Amoretti said that in practice, cases like Van der Sloot's can last 18 months.

Balcazar said the defense is likely to try to draw the trial out.

If convicted, Van der Sloot faces between 15 and 35 years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/26/earlyshow/saturday/main6620493.shtml




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 04:20:28 PM
Mol: Joran, Trujillo and Trickett are in adjacent cells because they live near the irrational

He was commenting on the photograph published by a Sunday program in which they go to the three defendants, in an isolated area of the jail, posing, smiling.
"I think in this case healthy and proper that the INPE has placed in adjoining cells, I guess if they were located with the other prisoners, they would live in permanent insomnia because these three people, one can not give nor shadow "he said in the" not right "of Ideeleradio.
"I think it's okay to be together, the characteristics of these individuals that finally live on the brink of irrationality, are clear expressions of inanimal because they are in a separate segment of the others," he said.
Joran Van der Sloot is being investigated for the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores (21) Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, faces a process for Jewish businesswoman Myriam Fefer, and William Trickett, who was extradited a few weeks ago U.S. maintains a pending trial for the murder of his Peruvian wife, Jana Claudia Gomez Mendez.
PJ perversely used for CT failure if Paredes Sánchez
At another point, Garcia said there Take a perverse use by the judiciary about the resolution issued by the Constitutional Court (TC) pound of criminal liability to members of the Sánchez Paredes family of the criminal proceedings for money laundering .
"You can have a disagreement over the recent decision of the Court in this matter, but would have to say even on the basis of that ruling has been used in an evil," he said.
"To complete the picture the president of the TC, [Carlos] Mesia says: The judiciary in the case surra TC binding when it suits him, in the case of truck buses, in the case of the slot and when I should [the] uses distorted. So, here is handling the case say rabulesco CT. I think there has been rainfall in these cases and this precipitation is somehow an own goal by TC, which is also used for other purposes in the judiciary, "he said.
Act of the Parliament consultation
Finally, Garcia Takes noted that in the hands of Congress the adoption of the Law of Indigenous Peoples prior consultation in order to give stability to the relationship between state, business and communities.
"The government has formulated a series of observations that seem worthy of consideration, this is already in the hands of Parliament, we hope to see what the final decision of the parliament," he concluded.

http://lamula.pe/2010/08/23/minjus-joran-trujillo-y-trickett-estan-en-celdas-contiguas-porque-viven-cerca-de-irracionalidad/1435


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 04:22:24 PM
Peru: Photo shows Dutchman Van der Sloot in jail
The Associated Press
LIMA - A television channel said the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot does not go bad in jail where he was imprisoned on charges of murdering a young Peruvian, and a recent photograph taken inside the prison shows him smiling and with a higher side other foreign nationals accused of murder.

The "Sunday a day" on Channel 4 issued on the eve of the picture where it appears 22 year old Dutchman, who was admitted to the Miguel Castro Castro prison on June 11, after confessing to police the murder of college student Stephany Flores, daughter of a Peruvian entrepreneur.

In addition, Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, a case that was never solved.

The photograph released by "Sunday a day," Van der Sloot shown wearing a white shirt, beard, hair grown more and more weight when he was interned in prison.

Beside him sits smiling the Colombian hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina. In addition, another man whose face has been digitally erased, and William Trickett Smith, recently extradited for killing his young wife tried Peruvian and burned his body thrown into the sea in a suitcase.

The program Van der Sloot said, Trujillo and Smith occupy the area of criminal prevention, an area separated from other inmates. He stressed the friendship that have hampered the Netherlands and the Colombian, who, he said, spend their days eating burgers and pizzas.

The Interior Minister Octavio Salazar, on Monday criticized the spread of photography.

"How did that camera? ... We are advertising to these criminals," he told reporters questioned.

The Peruvian lawyer of Van der Sloot, Maximum Highness, told the AP that the photograph was apparently taken by prison staff.

He noted that the criminal proceedings for homicide and simple theft Dutchman is currently "stalled" because the judiciary has not found a language translator Netherlands and legal knowledge.

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/2010/08/23/788084/peru-fotografia-muestra-a-holandes.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 23, 2010, 05:26:43 PM
It appears the search is on for a Dutch translator.

Janet

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Van der Sloot case stagnates in Peru
Monday 23 August 2010


The legal process against Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of murdering a Peruvian woman, has ground to a halt, the 22-year-old Dutchman's laywer told Peruvian tv station Panamericana Televisión on Saturday night.

Lawyer Máximo Altez told the programme the case is stagnating because no official interpreter can be found, it is widely reported in Dutch newspapers on Monday.

Van der Sloot is accused of murdering 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. He originally confessed to the murder but is now trying to get the confession nullified.

Panamericana Televisión showed a letter from the Peruvian association of translators and interpreters which said it has no one who can translate from Spanish into Dutch. It also showed a letter from the Dutch embassy in which it says it has no official interpreter available.

A spokesman for the foreign affairs ministry told the Telegraaf on Sunday evening that embassies always provide a list of lawyers and interpreters to nationals accused of crimes abroad, but does not provide interpreters itself.

Van der Sloot is also facing unrelated charges of extortion and wire fraud in Alabama, US and was twice arrested and released in connection with the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba five years ago.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/08/the_legal_process_against_jora.php

Maurice Steins has the initials CEN, under his signature.  Translators can be certified by the latest European translator standard which is CEN.  The old standard was ISO.  I have no idea if  the CEN, under his name, indicates this certification.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 06:23:55 PM

Flashback
LIMA, Peru, June 26, 2010
Judge: Van der Sloot Confession Stands


<snipped>

If convicted, Van der Sloot faces between 15 and 35 years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/26/earlyshow/saturday/main6620493.shtml


Hi msmarple

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++++


GREATEST QUOTE OF ALL!!!



Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 23, 2010, 06:25:32 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-amigos-afirman-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/520791.jpg)


Anita needs to send her delicious sporter some sweatshirts.  He would be much more comfortable
and warmer too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 23, 2010, 06:49:56 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-amigos-afirman-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/520791.jpg)


Anita needs to send her delicious sporter some sweatshirts.  He would be much more comfortable
and warmer too.
Looks like his hunger strike isn't faring too well!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 23, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
Hi everyone!  I've enjoyed reading and hanging in the loft.  Thanks for all of the updates!  It sure looks cold, damp and overcast in Lima!

Weather for Lima, Peru - Add to iGoogle
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Dihannah1 on August 23, 2010, 08:14:25 PM
I haven't read here today, but just walked into Nancy Grace and all I can say is WTF????  Urine may be getting out????  ... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Dihannah1 on August 23, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
The INPE should explain how the Van der Sloot photographed, Trujillo and William Ospina Trickett
The interior minister, Octavio Salazar, said that the Castro Castro prison administration falls on this institution to the National Police
After the TV program "Sunday a day," disseminated a picture of the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the Colombian hit man Ospina Alejandro Trujillo and William Trickett, aliens prosecuted for the crime of murder and detained at the Castro Castro prison, the Interior Minister Octavio Salazar, asked the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) to give explanations.

Speaking to reporters, said that this image has appeared in media is because someone took a camera and entered the detention center when it is forbidden to have such devices, which include cellular phone .

"How did they get these cameras? It is an issue that should be investigated by the sector to which it belongs. These things need to be corrected because it is denied entry with these devices and phones. We must take immediate action, "he said.

TEN THOUSAND LIMA police patrol
Moreover, Salazar reported that more than 10 000 police officers are dedicated exclusively to protect the streets of Lima.

He explained that the aforementioned perform tasks motorized and foot patrols, vehicle patrols in addition to criminal investigation for various parts of the capital, and even some two thousand agents fulfilling administrative duties have turned in recent days on the streets.

"We are creating more space to carry more police on the streets, as we have been encouraging, because we have the largest number of agents dedicated to public safety. It is not easy, but we are adding. "

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/627922/inpe-explicar-como-se-fotografio-van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-william-trickett


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 23, 2010, 08:27:40 PM
he is better in castro castro than leaving prision.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 23, 2010, 08:33:12 PM
Criminals make their own
"Murderer of the case", the Netherlands and "clown" is not separated in Castro Castro

6 Birds of a feather flock together. The three foreigners, suspected of committing the most notorious crimes in recent years in the capital, the Colombian Ospina Hugo Trujillo, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot and William Trickett Smith II decided to immortalize their meeting in the Miguel Castro Castro prison with a photography in which notes are calm and relaxed, as if they were happy in prison.

The unusual image of the exclusive broadcast the program "Sunday Today" was taken last August 15, when the so-called "murderer of the case" came to the prison, where the popular "Clown" and the Dutchman gave a warm welcome.

In the picture stands the pose of the Colombian hit man suspected murderer Trujillo Ospina Myriam Fefer businesswoman who wears a smiling and even with their hands two weapons imaginary one points to his left temple and the other at the head of another man accompanying the three mentioned and whose identity is unknown.

The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, with a few extra kilos and wearing a shirt, relaxed smile before the camera lens picks up the shoulder while the Colombian, who would become his only friend in the prison.

For his part, William Trickett Smith II who looks thin and with a light beard, does not smile as his companions. On the contrary, the U.S. showed a look evasive, and distrust.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_parent=&txtSecci_id=2&txtNota_id=419281


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Dihannah1 on August 23, 2010, 08:34:19 PM
he is better in castro castro than leaving prision.

I agree, he is a dead man walking if they let him out


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 23, 2010, 08:43:20 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 23, 2010, 08:50:45 PM
Joran AIN'T gettin' out! They dont' NEED his confession anyways -- they have plenty of evidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Dihannah1 on August 23, 2010, 08:52:14 PM
True Klass,  I panicked when I first saw it.  NG is always does anything for ratingsl 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2010, 08:55:10 PM
Joran AIN'T gettin' out! They dont' NEED his confession anyways -- they have plenty of evidence.


I keep telling myself this but it still makes me want to scream to even hear that he MIGHT get out ever!  I literally don't think I could bear it so can just imagine how this makes Beth feel. 

But you are correct.  They have enough forensic evidence to convict him ten times over.

And ANY coverage of this reminds people of what Aruba did and apparently are trying to do again in smearing Natalee with their latest crockumentary.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
Gaining weight, smiling, throwing a party for the newcomer!

Not what I was hoping for in Joran's Peruvian prison experience.

I hope he gets sent to Lurigancho for his sentence.  Maybe it will not be so nice for him there.

This looks far too good for Joran.  I hope they release him into the general population following the trial because it appears he could possibly survive under the current set up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2010, 09:00:41 PM
I didn't even know I had the BIO channel but I just found it!!!

Seems to be Channel 119 on my Dish for what it's worth.

Watching now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
Yeah, I wonder where they got all those photos of Joran--bet Anita is a wealthy woman now!

Going to concentrate on watching. . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Claycat on August 23, 2010, 09:03:39 PM
he is better in castro castro than leaving prision.

I agree, he is a dead man walking if they let him out

He is definitely a dead man walking!  I'm sure Papa has someone waiting on the outside, just in case!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 23, 2010, 09:04:06 PM
I didn't even know I had the BIO channel but I just found it!!!

Seems to be Channel 119 on my Dish for what it's worth.

Watching now.
DishNetwork channel 9443 in HD.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kermit on August 23, 2010, 09:20:22 PM
I think I remember Kyle referring to Eduardo with a shorter form of his name but I can't remember exactly what it was. 

IIRC it was in something Kermit posted.




Kyle said: "if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.


Kyle said: "
Eduardo Mansur owns Benny Hannas (sp) and Hooters and perhaps others.. but he spends a lot of his time working with Diario for obvious reasons. He spends a lot of time in Bolivia and traveling around the US which he loves. He's got a beautiful F-250 truck and adores his two kids."

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8863/mrandmrsmansurshooters.jpg)


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8324/vindadesousaathootersop.jpg)
Vinda de Sousa @ Hooters

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2365/jossymansurathooters.jpg)
mr and mrs mansur at opening of Hooters





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 23, 2010, 09:23:43 PM
Joran is safer in prison then on the streets of Peru.  But Stephanie's father would never ever allow this to happen.  Her father has a lot of power and a huge following in Peru..the people love him..and he is a kind man..as we have witnessed.  It takes a huge heart when his only daughter, the apple of his eye, was murdered and to say that he is also invested in this for Natalie and her family..he is a hero to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 09:48:09 PM
Hi msmarple

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++++


GREATEST QUOTE OF ALL!!!



Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)


Janet - I am so glad I remembered that Beth had a "Midnight Express" quote. (Also, thank goodness for Google.)

I think it made your day!  ::MonkeyKiss::

And Hello all Monkeys. I don't think we need to worry about Joran skating in Peru. Not going to happen.

(But I think he might fare better in prison, even in general pop, than some of you think. He's a big guy.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Claycat on August 23, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Lalo is sometimes a nickname for Eduardo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 10:03:31 PM
I think I remember Kyle referring to Eduardo with a shorter form of his name but I can't remember exactly what it was. 

IIRC it was in something Kermit posted.

Kyle said: "if I had to name a person who I trusted, I would say Eduardo Mansur. He's a great guy and was a lot of help.


Kyle said: "
Eduardo Mansur owns Benny Hannas (sp) and Hooters and perhaps others.. but he spends a lot of his time working with Diario for obvious reasons. He spends a lot of time in Bolivia and traveling around the US which he loves. He's got a beautiful F-250 truck and adores his two kids."

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/8863/mrandmrsmansurshooters.jpg)


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8324/vindadesousaathootersop.jpg)
Vinda de Sousa @ Hooters

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2365/jossymansurathooters.jpg)
mr and mrs mansur at opening of Hooters


Thanks Kermit.  Good to see you!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 10:15:28 PM
texasmom - I wanted to thank you for transcribing that show a night or two ago. That's tough work. (Also THANKS for all you do.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
texasmom - I wanted to thank you for transcribing that show a night or two ago. That's tough work. (Also THANKS for all you do.)

YW msmarple!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
cecilita - I get the impression that some folks are upset about the Notorious Inmates of Castro Castro Photo Op.

Might someone be reprimanded (or even lose his job) because of it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2010, 10:38:55 PM
JORAN

YOUR TIME IS COMING


 ::MonkeyShovel::

TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-amigos-afirman-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/520791.jpg)

My how things change... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm wondering how much public outrage will follow this most recent photo of Joran, and the other accused murderers.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/joranvanderslootarr.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 10:42:49 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

Why is a confession required?  Would the evidence not stand alone in regards to charges and a trial?

Is Joran attorney alleging that the Chilean and/or Peruvian arrests were illegal?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 10:44:57 PM

<snipped>

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2365/jossymansurathooters.jpg)
mr and mrs mansur at opening of Hooters


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Did I miss something?

Hi Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 10:45:39 PM
(http://www.rpp.com.pe/van-der-sloot-trujillo-ospina-y-william-trickett-son-amigos-afirman-imagen-noticia-8-n-/picsnews/520791.jpg)


Anita needs to send her delicious sporter some sweatshirts.  He would be much more comfortable
and warmer too.
Looks like his hunger strike isn't faring too well!  ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 23, 2010, 10:46:11 PM
Is that a vacation photo ? Hi Mommy, having a nice time here in Peru with my new BF's.
Oh just gag me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: loca on August 23, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

Why is a confession required?  Would the evidence not stand alone in regards to charges and a trial?

Is Joran attorney alleging that the Chilean and/or Peruvian arrests were illegal?

Janet



Ditto that about Nancy just wanting a story, why arent they covering caylee anymore.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: loca on August 23, 2010, 11:01:59 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

Why is a confession required?  Would the evidence not stand alone in regards to charges and a trial?

Is Joran attorney alleging that the Chilean and/or Peruvian arrests were illegal?

Janet



Ditto that about Nancy just wanting a story, why arent they covering caylee anymore.



I do think however that Joran is getting media hungry ya think. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 23, 2010, 11:10:32 PM
he is better in castro castro than leaving prision.

ha ha ha ...just what I was thinking, too!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 23, 2010, 11:13:48 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 

Agree.  And...didn't we learn that Peru LE had "taped" their interviews with Joran and said that he handled the Spanish language very well?  "If" taped, that would all be indicated. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Puzzler on August 23, 2010, 11:14:16 PM
Joran AIN'T gettin' out! They dont' NEED his confession anyways -- they have plenty of evidence.

Agree!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 11:21:40 PM
Janet - I'm not klaas, but here's my take:

A confession isn't required. But if he is found guilty, his sentence would be less if there WERE a confession that matches the evidence.

Lacking such a confession - and crediting the high-handed legal maneuvers His Highness utilizes (as do all criminal attorneys) - none of it matters in terms of prosecuting him. There's a mountain of evidence, and then there's Mr. Flores.

No offense at all intended, but I don't think the Peruvian Justice System has "advanced" to the point that the killer of a young woman from a nice family gets off on a technicality.

Isn't it delicious irony that Joran, who supposedly spoke 4 or 5 lanaguages, one of which was Spanish, needs a Spanish-Dutch translator? (Not even from one Spanish dialect to another ... ) There are some folks who should be at least a little embarassed about this - but they're not, because (a) they have no shame, and (b) they're hoping the ploy works.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
Hi msmarple

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

+++++++


GREATEST QUOTE OF ALL!!!



Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)


Janet - I am so glad I remembered that Beth had a "Midnight Express" quote. (Also, thank goodness for Google.)

I think it made your day!  ::MonkeyKiss::

<snipped>


msmarple

Beth's words in that quote were so prophetic.  It is as though she knew that Aruba would not step up to the plate and do what was right.

If Aruba were to bow and return Natalee to her family ... maybe there could be measure of closure for her long suffering family.

John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan could be the motivating force.  Those ROV videos have the ability to bring down the Aruban house of cards.

Janet

++++++++

Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


Natalee Holloway's Mother

We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 11:26:31 PM
Janet - I'm not klaas, but here's my take:

A confession isn't required. But if he is found guilty, his sentence would be less if there WERE a confession that matches the evidence.

Lacking such a confession - and crediting the high-handed legal maneuvers His Highness utilizes (as do all criminal attorneys) - none of it matters in terms of prosecuting him. There's a mountain of evidence, and then there's Mr. Flores.

No offense at all intended, but I don't think the Peruvian Justice System has "advanced" to the point that the killer of a young woman from a nice family gets off on a technicality.

Isn't it delicious irony that Joran, who supposedly spoke 4 or 5 lanaguages, one of which was Spanish, needs a Spanish-Dutch translator? (Not even from one Spanish dialect to another ... ) There are some folks who should be at least a little embarassed about this - but they're not, because (a) they have no shame, and (b) they're hoping the ploy works.



Why does Joran's attorney want the confession thrown out.  A confession is his ticket to a lighter sentence.

I don't comprehend.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Don't believe it.  NG hasn't a clue.  They just want something to talk about. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

Why is a confession required?  Would the evidence not stand alone in regards to charges and a trial?

Is Joran attorney alleging that the Chilean and/or Peruvian arrests were illegal?

Janet



Ditto that about Nancy just wanting a story, why arent they covering caylee anymore.



I do think however that Joran is getting media hungry ya think. ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree.

It is only a matter of time before another "confession" will emerge.  Apparently Joran's next "confession" will afford him a million bucks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2010, 11:31:35 PM
cecilita - I get the impression that some folks are upset about the Notorious Inmates of Castro Castro Photo Op.

Might someone be reprimanded (or even lose his job) because of it?

Good point, msmarple.  Seems Peru has their own rag paper pic people...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/02/michelle-y-patrick-a-uni-nan-amor/

Papiamentu translation:

michelle y patrick owing to uni they affection

publication: diaranson, 10 feburary 2010.

categoria: style y eventos

oranjestad (aan)- during one beautiful ceremonia at stadhuis owing to uni they affection the pareha michelle y patrick bosset, in presencia by they yiunan y amistadnan. testigonan is cristina escobedo, barbra bregita, izaira arrindell, jeanette keith y orietta mansur. afternoon the celebracion owing to follow at they recidencia near by pool cu one sweet catering before tina escobedo y rona coster y musica by c-zar olarte y angelo figaroa. pabien michelle y patrick.

from the pictures...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/boset11.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 11:36:44 PM

Tamikosmom said:
Quote
If Aruba were to bow and return Natalee to her family ... maybe there could be measure of closure for her long suffering family.

Unfortunately - IMO - it is not possible; that time has long past.

From Day One, I've felt that she was in the water, and apparently too far out to wash ashore. I even had a bizarre theory about that, but never posted, because -- well, it was just bizarre.

The very distant second and third possibilities were that she was interred in someone else's grave, or cremated or something similar.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 11:45:06 PM
Janet - Well, to a point, I think His Highness came to the realization that there WAS $$ in this case after all, and it's up to him to look like he's earning the bucks. Besides, dragging it out keeps Joran in a somewhat better place.

("Drags to Riches" keeps popping up in my head. As in dragging things out, and an old song, "Rags to Riches.")

(It's bad when you have to explain the jokes ...)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

And also - you mentioned this in a subsequent post - Joran's confessions are f***ing valuable things.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2010, 11:45:55 PM
http://www.eldeber.com.bo/2007/2007-09-18/vernotasociales.php?id=070917193657

Santa Cruz de la Sierra - Bolivia, Tuesday 18 September 2007

Spanish translation:
    
Nuhad Carmen had a dream holiday

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/EduardoMansurfamily_2007.jpg)
 
Family. Carmen with her parents, Eduardo Mansur and Maria Teresa Castillo, and his brother, Eduardo.

Carmen Castillo Nuhad Mansur was the perfect gift for his 15 years: a party like always dreamed of. Her parents came true and was in Los Tajibos, Quito Velasco decorated and surrounded by her family and some friends.
Dressed in a delicate lilac dress, designed by Elva Nagashiro waltzed and all the latest rhythms.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Mansur/EduardoMansur_daughterCarmen2.jpg)

Ladies. The owner of the saint chose for herself and her 'bridesmaids' color and model clothes. They were happy

Copyright © 2006 - 2007 | THE DUTY
Santa Cruz - Bolivia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2010, 11:52:54 PM
Janet - Well, to a point, I think His Highness came to the realization that there WAS $$ in this case after all, and it's up to him to look like he's earning the bucks. Besides, dragging it out keeps Joran in a somewhat better place.

("Drags to Riches" keeps popping up in my head. As in dragging things out, and an old song, "Rags to Riches.")

(It's bad when you have to explain the jokes ...)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

And also - you mentioned this in a subsequent post - Joran's confessions are f***ing valuable things.

Thanks msmarple.  I am thinking ....

Good Night All

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
8:55 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 23, 2010, 11:58:30 PM
I must say, Carmen Castillo Nuhad Mansur’s Quinceañera dress, and those of her friends, are much prettier than many I’ve seen pictures of for these events. It’s a matter of personal taste, but I don’t care for “puffy” dresses.

I think I'll check some of the other threads, maybe even Haleigh ... although that crowd drives me crazy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2009/12/casa-tua-a-habri-e-%E2%80%9Cbeaujolais-nouveau-2009%E2%80%9D/
 
Casa Tua a habri e “Beaujolais Nouveau 2009”

Publication: Diaranson, 2 December 2009. Categoria: Estilo y Eventos

ORANJESTAD (AAN):— Recientemente Casa Tua Barcelona den Aventura Mall a tene un celebracion pa asina yama bon bini na “Beaujolais Nouveau 2009”. Casa Tua Barcelona a wordo transforma den e famoso “Place du Tertre” di Paris cual ta conoci pa su ambiente, artistanan, pintornan y esnan cu ta bishita e restaurantnan situa ariba e plaza.
E pintor Eduardo a pasa mey mey di e mesa nan pa asina pinta caricatura di e bishitante nan kende na final ta gradicie y mientras e bailarin nan ta duna nan presentacion ariba musica Frances.
E dinner tabata consisti di diferente cuminda Frances y tambe e menu nobo di Casa Tua Barcelona cu diferente appetizers manera Escargots Bourgogne, un cuminda tipico Frances cu a wordo masha gusta y a caba hopi trempan.
E plato “Ballotine di Grouper” ta consisti di pisca y crab meat, cual sigur lo bira e cuminda mas gusta riba nos Isla. Mientras cu e Chef Jacques a traha duro riba e “Tarte Tatin”, e “upside down apple pie” cu a resulta e final mas dushi pa tur presente y mientras cu den back round e musica di Edit Piaff y otro artistanan Frances ta resona y cu actuacion tambe presenta di Angela Croes.
Ademas a celebra e 3 diferente cumpleaño ariba e anochi: Andrew di Louis Vuitton, George Arends di Financial Liberty Card y Jerusha Rasmijn, Nataly di ATA y Darice Solognier di AHATA.

From the pictures...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tua.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/03/fiesta-di-%E2%80%9Chappy-animals%E2%80%9D-pa-nuhadsita-mansur/
 
Fiesta di “happy animals” pa Nuhadsita Mansur

Publication: Diahuebs, 4 Maart 2010. Categoria: Estilo y Eventos

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Dia 20 di februari 2010 a cumpli su di dos añita e prinsesita di cas Nuhadsita Mansur.
   Un bunita fiesta cu e tema di “Happy Animals” a worde teni pa asina Nuhadsita pasa un momento contento hunto cu su mayornan Luis Miguel y Sandra,  rumannan Luigi, Tahis, Alice y Chris, wela Señora Nuhad Mansur y welo Sr. Jossy Mansur, demas famia y tambe su amiguita y amiguitonan.
   DIARIO ta manda pabien pa Nuhadsita y cu Papa Dios drama Su bendicion ariba dje pa e cumpli hopi aña mas di bida y salud.

Papiamentu translation:

celebrate by “happy animals” before nuhadsita mansur

publication: diahuebs, 4 march 2010.

categoria: style y eventos

oranjestad (aan): day 20 by feburary 2010 owing to keep her by two añita the prinsesita by cas nuhadsita mansur. one beautiful celebrate cu the exercise by “happy animals” owing to worde teni before so nuhadsita happen one instant contento together cu her parents luis miguel y sandra, rumannan luigi, tahis, alice y chris, grandmother lady nuhad mansur y welo sr. jossy mansur, other family y also her amiguita y amiguitonan. daily paper is send pabien before nuhadsita y cu father god drama her bendicion upstairs dje for her keep quite year more by life y salud.

From the pictures...

I thought this one is great!

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lm5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 12:27:09 AM
texasmom - that IS a great photo, and what a beautiful child! Is that Jossy's great-granddaughter? Or maybe grand-niece?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 12:27:51 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/02/celebracion-di-carnaval-di-empleadonan-di-diario/

Celebracion Di Carnaval Di Empleadonan Di Diario

Publication: Diahuebs, 25 Februari 2010. Categoria: Estilo y Eventos

ORANJESTAD (AAN):— Dia 12 di februari ultimo empleadonan di DIARIO a tene nan celebracion di Carnaval cu e tema di “Fiesta di Sombre”.
Un tremendo ambiente a reina entre e empleadonan y asina tambe a eligi e Reina di DIARIO 2010 cu a keda den persona di Señora Vivian Maduro y su prins Sr. Jossito Mansur y pancho Sr. Hubert Tiel.
   Cada empleado a luci cu un tipo di sobre y decora pa su propio fantasia. Despues di un votacion pa e “Mihor Sobre Decora” e ganador resulta den persona di Señora Suzy Maduro.
Suzy a luci cu su sombre decora cu e avisonan cu Suzy ta traha diariamente cu nan.

from the pictures...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/carnavala-Diario.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/carnavala-Diario-67.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 12:31:57 AM
cecilita - I get the impression that some folks are upset about the Notorious Inmates of Castro Castro Photo Op.

Might someone be reprimanded (or even lose his job) because of it?

Good point, msmarple.  Seems Peru has their own rag paper pic people...
For sure somebody will get be reprimended because they can sell the pictures to the international media because the peruvian media doesnt care about him at all.
I dont think that he will get free bacause Peru is not like here that you can probe your inocence outside jail if you paid a bond. For example the ex peruvian president Alberto Fujimori still in jail trying to probe his inocence of corruption.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 12:33:13 AM
texasmom - that IS a great photo, and what a beautiful child! Is that Jossy's great-granddaughter? Or maybe grand-niece?

From my understanding of the article she's their granddaughter...daughter of Luis Miguel and Sandra.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/03/fiesta-di-%E2%80%9Chappy-animals%E2%80%9D-pa-nuhadsita-mansur/

Papiamentu translation:

celebrate by “happy animals” before nuhadsita mansur

publication: diahuebs, 4 march 2010.

categoria: style y eventos

oranjestad (aan): day 20 by feburary 2010 owing to keep her by two añita the prinsesita by cas nuhadsita mansur. one beautiful celebrate cu the exercise by “happy animals” owing to worde teni before so nuhadsita happen one instant contento together cu her parents luis miguel y sandra, rumannan (brothers & sisters) luigi, tahis, alice y chris, grandmother lady nuhad mansur y welo sr. jossy mansur, other family y also her amiguita y amiguitonan. daily paper is send pabien before nuhadsita y cu father god drama her bendicion upstairs dje for her keep quite year more by life y salud.

Here's another pic, more at the link...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lm4.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 12:35:07 AM
I'm still in shock that Ronchi de Cuba is Jossy's nephew.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 12:40:37 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 12:43:00 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 12:43:53 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE
Lui Aruba Samanez


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 12:46:54 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE
Lui Aruba Samanez

Huh?? What's this about?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 12:49:52 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE
Lui Aruba Samanez

Huh?? What's this about?
It is a post from Stephanys brothers FB, I believe one of his friends lives in Aruba and he is asking Ricardo if he is going to aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 12:57:23 AM
So, is Steph's brother going to Aruba?
Steph's brother's friend?

(Whoever lives in Aruba obviously is already there ... )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 01:00:20 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE
Lui Aruba Samanez

Huh?? What's this about?
It is a post from Stephanys brothers FB, I believe one of his friends lives in Aruba and he is asking Ricardo if he is going to aruba

  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks cecelita...please keep us posted!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
FiltersRicardo + FriendsJust RicardoJust Friends
Lui Aruba Samanez poorfin csm !!! y ahoraaa comoo es te vienes pa aruba !! hehe6 hours ago
 ::MonkeyEek::
I found this in Stephany's brother FB  ::MonkeyEek::
HE SAYS : FINALLY (BAD WORDS) NOW HOW ARE YOU COMING TO ARUBA, HE  HE
Lui Aruba Samanez

Huh?? What's this about?
It is a post from Stephanys brothers FB, I believe one of his friends lives in Aruba and he is asking Ricardo if he is going to aruba

  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks cecilita...please keep us posted!


edit to correct spelling


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 24, 2010, 01:01:45 AM
So, is Steph's brother going to Aruba?
Steph's brother's friend?

(Whoever lives in Aruba obviously is already there ... )

Ricardos friend is this guy
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001398948952
I think that maybe Ricardo is going to Aruba or also can be that he is being funny (for his laugh at the end of his comment)  because what happen to Stephany may be a reason for Ricardo to go to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 01:15:25 AM
I'm still in shock that Ronchi de Cuba is Jossy's nephew.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Me too. It tends to prove that he is human-born.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 01:18:12 AM
cecilita - Thanks for that bit of FB.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 08:20:57 AM
So, is Steph's brother going to Aruba?
Steph's brother's friend?

(Whoever lives in Aruba obviously is already there ... )

Ricardos friend is this guy
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001398948952
I think that maybe Ricardo is going to Aruba or also can be that he is being funny (for his laugh at the end of his comment)  because what happen to Stephany may be a reason for Ricardo to go to Aruba.

Yeah, it looks to me to be a sarcasm alert. Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2010, 10:57:47 AM
BREAKING NEWS!

Confession may be thrown out!  Decision any minute.

Talking heads are going back and forth on why he will or won't get out, even if it's thrown out.  If they do, how many more girls does he need to kill?  He's dangerous and a serial killer.

THEY CAN'T LET HIM GO!!!!!!

Considering I have been wrong time and time again over the past five years .... I thought I had learned not to say "it will never happen" in regards to Joran van der Sloot and the accountability issue.  However ... I will say it again in reference to the latest Nancy Grace BOMBSHELL ... "it will never happen".

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
7:55 AM PT

+++++++


NANCY GRACE
Peruvian Appeals Court to Rule on Van Der Sloot Objections
Aired August 23, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing from her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police refused to make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot even after he admits he hid the body. Now Van Der Sloot kills another girl who meets him at a resort casino. She`s found beaten, bloody, neck broken, partially clothed on his hotel room floor. Spine-chilling video of Van Der Sloot with 21-year-old Stephany just before she`s found dead.

Bloody clothes from the murder found with Van Der Sloot on the run. After beating her to a pulp and breaking her neck, he kicks back with a cup of coffee and Danish, inches from the dead body. Blood drenching the crime scene, the bedroom floor, the bathroom floor, the bed, the hallway. DNA under the dead girl`s nails proving a death match with the hulking Dutchman.

Bombshell tonight. Even though two girls already dead at the hands of the judge`s son, including an American, with Van Der Sloot suspected in the disappearance of women in Thailand, Colombia, tonight, believe it or not, is judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot set to walk free?

GRACE: Joran Van Der Sloot potentially set to walk free? We are awaiting word right now to determine whether judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, with blood on his hands from two young women, including an American, is set to walk free? ....

Out to legal correspondent from "In Session" Jean Casarez. Jean, please tell me I`m wrong.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": You`re right. You`re very right. Joran Van Der Sloot is in his cell tonight at Castro Castro prison in Lima, waiting for the superior court to issue its ruling. He hopes that they will say he is being illegally detained under Peruvian law, he will be set free, Nancy.

GRACE: Jean, Jean, Jean! It`s all BS, Jean, everything he`s arguing. He`s arguing, one, he was framed, blah, blah. We hear that a million times out of every jail in America. I was framed, the cops did it, wah-wah, eh- eh! OK. He`s claiming he was framed. He`s claiming his lawyer was sleeping with a cop. He`s claiming the interpreter wasn`t bona fide. He`s got one other claim. What is it, Jean?

CASAREZ: Well, the claims are that the translator was not an official translator...

GRACE: Right.

CASAREZ: ... as he purported to be, and that the lawyer was not a lawyer representing his interests. Those are the two major claims. Also suing the prosecutor and the chief of police.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/23/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 24, 2010, 11:47:56 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cece on August 24, 2010, 01:21:08 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/expert-peruvian-court-wont-toss-joran-van-der-sloots-confession/19605835

Expert: Peruvian Court Won't Toss van der Sloot's Confession

(Aug. 24) -- A Peruvian appellate court will issue a decision this week on whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot in the brutal slaying of a 21-year-old woman in Lima.

Some in the media speculate that if the confession is thrown out, van der Sloot could walk free. But an international defense expert doesn't believe the judges will even consider throwing out the confession.

"There's not a chance in hell," said Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel. "The judges live there, and the people know who the judges are. You see where I'm going? This won't be thrown out."

And even without the confession, Griffith said, "they have plenty of independent evidence."

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, is accused of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores. The Peruvian business student was found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room in Lima on June 2. Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case.

After van der Sloot's arrest, officials in Peru announced he had made a full confession to Flores' murder. Van der Sloot said he broke Flores' neck in a fit of rage after she used his laptop to find out about his involvement in the Holloway case, officials said.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot allegedly said about the attack. "The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her, and I hit her. She was scared. We argued, and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck, and I hit her."

The Dutchman later retracted that confession, saying he was arrested without a warrant and was not provided with an official translator, which he says caused confusion during questioning. Van der Sloot also said his laptop was improperly searched.

"All this with the intention of pressuring me to accuse [myself] of homicide," the Dutch native said in the complaint, obtained by the Peruvian news program "24 Hours."

In June, Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri spent nearly a week examining the evidence in the case before ruling that van der Sloot's claim that his habeas corpus rights had been violated was "unfounded." Alvizuri said he determined that van der Sloot had not only a state-appointed attorney present during his depositions but also a Dutch-Spanish translator.

Van der Sloot's attorney immediately appealed the decision. The case has since gone before a panel of three Peruvian judges. They are expected to review the details of the confession and issue a ruling sometime this week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told "In Session" on Aug. 20.

If convicted of Flores' murder, van der Sloot could face 15 to 35 years in prison.

Griffith has counseled and represented clients in more than 40 countries on a variety of charges. His most renowned case, involving an American incarcerated in a Turkish prison, was the basis for the film and book "Midnight Express."

He said he's certain van der Sloot will go to trial, even without the confession. "They have the video of him going in the room, they have DNA [evidence] on his shirt, they have the consciousness of guilt because he tried to flee and they have video tapes [of them together] inside the casino," he said.

"There is more than enough persuasive evidence to hold this case over for trial," Griffith continued. "Take this one to the bank -- you can quote me on that. Case closed."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 24, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 02:21:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77069.php

Murder case Joran delayed

23 Aug, 2010, 07:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The murder case against the 22-year old Joran van der Sloot, who is behind bars in Peru, is delayed as there is no official interpreter available.

In a letter, the Peruvian association of official certified interpreters stated they had no members who could translate from Spanish into the Dutch language.

Joran’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, said this last weekend during a TV-interview broadcasted by
Panamericana Televisión. Moreover, he showed the letter in question from the translation bureau. According to Altez, the Dutch embassy in Peru does not have an official interpreter available either. The process against Joran, according to the lawyer, cannot proceed before the authorities have solved the translation problem.

Joran is currently in remand in the Castro Castro prison in Lima on suspicion of murdering Stephany Flores (21). Her body was found in a hotel room in the Peruvian Miraflores, which was registered in Joran’s name. Autopsy revealed that Flores had died on May 30th 2010, exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Joran is also still the main suspect in the Holloway-case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 24, 2010, 02:29:27 PM
Smiling pose criminal murderers
Television program broadcast a picture taken in Castro Castro where they are seen as being at a party
The days of confinement for the seasoned criminal aliens Joran van der Sloot, Ospina Hugo Trujillo and William Trickett Smith II are not as dark and difficult as one might imagine.

The program Sunday was a picture a day in which the Dutchman is very cheerful, and with some extra kilos, alongside his close friend of Trujillo, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, and Trickett, the American accused of killing his wife and hiding her body in a suitcase, then tossed into the sea.

The three are being held in the area of prevention of the Miguel Castro Castro "very close to each other, and, based on image, not have any remorse.

The most smiling in the photograph is the Colombian Trujillo, who poses as if holding a pistol. He and Joran have established a strong bond of friendship they do not have permission to go outside and spend their time eating burgers and pizzas. A Trickett's arrival, both welcomed, but Joran talked more with him in English, to enter into trust.

The video recorded the Dutchman playing poker with former inmate Luis Valdez, a former mayor of Coronel Portillo. The other inmates call him "gringo" to Joran and "Clown" Trujillo Ospina.

SEALING TRIAL. His capture is not delayed even a week, but the trial that followed the murder of Flores Stephany expands every day.

Due to the lack of an official language interpreter Netherlands, the process to Joran van der Sloot paralyzed risk although there is strong evidence against him because, in his statement to the police, said on May 30 killed the young.

"If there is no interpreter, the trial can not proceed because the required due process," said Max Highness, lawyer of the European.

He stressed that while there are translators of that language, what is required is an official interpreter, but that neither the Netherlands Embassy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have them. The Judiciary would solve this problem in the coming days.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/627726/asesinos-posan-sonrientes-penal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2010, 04:08:57 PM
Smiling pose criminal murderers
Television program broadcast a picture taken in Castro Castro where they are seen as being at a party
The days of confinement for the seasoned criminal aliens Joran van der Sloot, Ospina Hugo Trujillo and William Trickett Smith II are not as dark and difficult as one might imagine.

The program Sunday was a picture a day in which the Dutchman is very cheerful, and with some extra kilos, alongside his close friend of Trujillo, the murderer of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, and Trickett, the American accused of killing his wife and hiding her body in a suitcase, then tossed into the sea.

The three are being held in the area of prevention of the Miguel Castro Castro "very close to each other, and, based on image, not have any remorse.

The most smiling in the photograph is the Colombian Trujillo, who poses as if holding a pistol. He and Joran have established a strong bond of friendship they do not have permission to go outside and spend their time eating burgers and pizzas. A Trickett's arrival, both welcomed, but Joran talked more with him in English, to enter into trust.

The video recorded the Dutchman playing poker with former inmate Luis Valdez, a former mayor of Coronel Portillo. The other inmates call him "gringo" to Joran and "Clown" Trujillo Ospina.

SEALING TRIAL. His capture is not delayed even a week, but the trial that followed the murder of Flores Stephany expands every day.

Due to the lack of an official language interpreter Netherlands, the process to Joran van der Sloot paralyzed risk although there is strong evidence against him because, in his statement to the police, said on May 30 killed the young.

"If there is no interpreter, the trial can not proceed because the required due process," said Max Highness, lawyer of the European.

He stressed that while there are translators of that language, what is required is an official interpreter, but that neither the Netherlands Embassy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have them. The Judiciary would solve this problem in the coming days.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/627726/asesinos-posan-sonrientes-penal

Thanks Northern Rose

If Joran van der Sloot's confession is thrown out because it is determined that the translator assigned to him by the Dutch Embassy was not an "official" translator ... I would assume that all Dutch prisoners in the Peruvian prison system who confessed to a crime will be afforded the same consideration.

Janet

++++++

Flashback

LIMA, Peru, June 26, 2010
Judge: Van der Sloot Confession Stands


(CBS/AP)  A Peruvian judge on Friday denied a defense motion to void the confession of Joran van der Sloot in the slaying of Stephany Flores.

The motion claimed the confession should be dismissed because the attorney representing van der Sloot at the time was state-appointed.

Superior Court Judge Wilder Casique  rejected the habeas corpus move made on behalf of Van der Sloot, who is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in his Lima hotel room of 21-year-old Peruvian business student Stephany Flores. He met her while playing poker in a casino.

Van der Sloot, 22, also remains the sole suspect in the unresolved 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba. He's never been charged in that crime.

Flores' brother hailed the decision in an interview with CBS News, and said his family has been in touch with Holloway's.

Peruvian police say their search of van der Sloot's computer discovered e-mails relating to the Holloway case. In his confession, van der Sloot said he killed Flores after she read one of those e-mails.

Casique noted in a statement that Van der Sloot had, in addition to the lawyer, been afforded a Dutch-Spanish interpreter vetted by the Dutch Embassy.  

Van der Sloot recanted the confession in a jailhouse interview with the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, claiming it was made under duress.

The defendant's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told The Associated Press he would appeal Casique's decision to a higher court.

A criminal law expert, Jose Balcazar, told the AP that Van der Sloot can continue the appeal but "that will not hold up the case against him."

Earlier Friday, the chief judge of Lima's Superior Court, Cesar Vega, told reporters that Peruvian laws allow up to six months for murder trials.

But legal expert Mario Amoretti said that in practice, cases like Van der Sloot's can last 18 months.

Balcazar said the defense is likely to try to draw the trial out.

If convicted, Van der Sloot faces between 15 and 35 years in prison.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/26/earlyshow/saturday/main6620493.shtml


Peru police give Van der Sloot murder case to prosecutors
The Associated Press
LIMA, Peru June 10, 2010 (AP)


We've practically closed the case," criminal police chief Gen. Cesar Guardia told The Associated Press

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced.  He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=10873420&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=10873420&page=4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2010, 04:15:33 PM
Logic dictates that representatives at the Dutch Embassy should have been aware that an "official" translator would have been a requirement in regards to Joran van der Sloot's confession.  Was there an underlying plan to derail the Peruvian investigative process?  Could it be that Peruvian investigators would have assumed that the translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was "official"?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 05:24:56 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/21241-homber-haya-morto-den-cas-na-san-nicolas.html

Papiamentu translation:

man attain dead in cas at san nicolas

tuesday, 24 august 2010 16:05

in oranan by afternoon, police owing to wordo send cu urgencia at one adres at san nicolas, caminda owing to attain one person dead. at first instant owing to think cu the person owing to attain one ataca, mirando cu the is one diabetico y owing to wordo see is drink the at night anterior. is deal here by the cabayero d.e. doctor owing to determina cu posiblemente do not deal here by one dead natural. by manner cu fiscal owing to present at the sitio y did take the curpa in beslag before so haci investigacionnan necesario. according one brother, always the defunto is march cu rolnan by dollars on dje, but the trip here not owing to attain just nothing. they're sospecha cu can is deal here by one foul play.polis also is haciendo her investigacionnan before so determina kico can owing to happen if is deal here by one caso by asesinato or yet wel one dead natural. we will remain pendiente before more informe on the caso here.


http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4289&offId=0

2 hora happen | fecha: 24/08/2010 | horario: 14:39

owing to descubri one dead in one cas at san nicolas, fiscal owing to confisca the curpa

we will follow informa

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
Appeals panel considers van der Sloot's confessionBy the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 9:44 a.m. EDT


(CNN) -- A panel of Peruvian judges is considering whether to uphold the confession of Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of killing a 21-year-old woman.

The three-judge appellate panel is expected to hand down a decision in about a week.

"We believe we did a good job demonstrating that there wasn't an official translator and that his attorney (at the time of the confession) did not have a document accrediting her as his attorney," van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, told In Session on Friday.

Van der Sloot is jailed pending trial on charges of first-degree murder and robbery in the May 30 death in of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old student.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen, who claims in court documents that his incarceration and confession were illegal, sued attorney Luz Marina Romero Chinchay in July. Van der Sloot says Romero was imposed on him and that she became involved because she was in a relationship with a police officer, said Altez.

Romero has denied those allegations.

In June, a superior court judge in Lima, Peru, upheld the confession and incarceration of van der Sloot. Judge Wilder Casique Alvizuri declared as "unfounded" van der Sloot's habeas corpus claim that his constitutional rights were violated at the time of the confession because he was represented by a state-appointed attorney.

Van der Sloot also claimed his laptop had been improperly searched.

In an official press release, the judge said the suspect had a translator made available to him during the three depositions he gave the police and that his laptop was sealed once delivered to the court.

Separately, van der Sloot remains a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, though he has not been charged in that case.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/20/peru.van.der.sloot/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
Van der Sloot Case: Peruvian Authorities Need Dutch Translator
Updated: Tuesday, 24 Aug 2010, 9:00 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 24 Aug 2010, 9:00 AM EDT


(NewsCore) - Legal proceedings against murder suspect Joran van der Sloot have ground to a halt because Peruvian authorities are unable to find him a interpreter, De Telegraaf reported Monday.

Van der Sloot's lawyer told a Peruvian TV station that neither the Dutch Embassy nor the country's courts could find anyone capable of translating from Dutch to Spanish.

Maximo Altez said the case against his client -- accused of murdering 21-year-old student Stephany Flores -- was stagnating while authorities struggled to solve the problem.

Panamericana Television showed a letter from Peru's national association of translators confirming that none of its members are capable of translating from Dutch to Spanish.

Dutch officials confirmed to De Telegraaf in the wake of the interview that the country's embassies can recommend translators but do not supply them directly.

Van der Sloot, a resident of Aruba, has apparently admitted killing Flores in his Lima hotel room on May 30 but is trying to have the confession declared invalid.

Peruvian officials are due to rule on its admissibility in the next few days, according to reports. One of the arguments put before them by van der Sloot's legal team was that there was no interpreter present when he allegedly confessed, highlighting the ongoing translation problems in the case.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the unrelated 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba. He also faces charges of extortion and wire fraud in the U.S.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/news/van-der-sloot-case-peruvian-authorities-need-dutch-translator-dpgonc-20100824-fc_9315304


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 06:16:05 PM
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/08/de_vries_says_not_guilty_in_au.php

De Vries says not guilty in Australian court, case adjourned

Tuesday 24 August 2010

Television reporter Peter R de Vries has pleaded not guilty in an Australian court to disobeying a police order to stay away from an international crime suspect, news agency AP reports.

De Vries and a colleague were arrested last week after visiting a property in Perth despite being told by police to stay away.

De Vries said he was trying to deliver a letter to a man he suspects of involvement in the death of Dutch woman Mariska Mast while on holiday in Honduras in 2008.

A British-Australian diving instructor was arrested but later freed and his passport confiscated. With dual nationality, he used a second passport to flee Honduras. De Vries and his team traced him to Perth.

Interpol

According to AP, Interpol lists the man as wanted by a Honduran court for alleged crimes against life and health.

The case against De Vries has been adjourned until September 7, when a trial date will be set, AP reported.

De Vries made global headlines in 2008 with a tv show about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. The show was based on hidden-camera interviews with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man last seen with Holloway before she vanished.

© DutchNews.nl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 06:18:10 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jZN8ErwWlIQY2GCN0nbNuE2olo2g

Dutch reporter pleads not guilty in Australia to trying to contact murder suspect

By The Associated Press (CP) – 15 hours ago

PERTH, Australia — A prominent Dutch television reporter pleaded not guilty in an Australian court Tuesday to disobeying a police order to stay away from an international crime suspect.
Television journalist Peter de Vries and colleague Chantal van Schuylenburgh were arrested last week after officials said they visited a property in Perth, Western Australia, several times despite being warned by police to stay away.

De Vries, 53, said they were trying to contact a suspect in the slaying of Dutch woman Mariska Mast, who died while vacationing in Honduras in 2008. Interpol lists the man as wanted by a Honduran court for alleged crimes against life and health.

On Tuesday, De Vries pleaded not guilty to disobeying a move-on order in Perth Magistrates Court, arguing he had a "reasonable excuse" for failing to comply with the instructions. In a statement to reporters, de Vries said he just wanted to talk to the man to hear his side of the story.

De Vries is the Netherlands' highest-profile crime reporter. He made global headlines for a 2008 show about the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba. It was based on hidden-camera interviews with Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man last seen with Holloway before her disappearance on May 30, 2005.

De Vries told journalists outside court that he thought his treatment by Australian police was "out of proportion" to what he had done.

"I think I did nothing wrong," he said. "It's very hard to plead guilty when you don't feel guilty."
Van Schuylenburgh pleaded guilty on Saturday to the same charge, was fined 200 Australian dollars ($178) and charged AU$62.50 in court costs.

De Vries' case was adjourned until Sept. 7, when a trial date will be set. The journalist said he plans to fly back to the Netherlands on Tuesday night and doesn't know if he will return for the trial.

Copyright © 2010 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 06:33:18 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/rechtszitting-peter-r.-de-vries-in-australi-verdaagd-naar-september/

Google translation:

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peter-pers-na-verdaagde-zitting-545x306.jpg)
The Australian press was massively Tuesday morning torn to court in Perth to attend the

Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 6:33 hours
News

Peter trial in Australia postponed to September

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peter-borgtocht-klein.jpg)
Peter was released on bail by the Australian court

The Magistrates Court of Western Australia in Perth today the case against Peter is not content discussed, but postponed to September 7.

Expected was that Peter could run defense today against charges that he had ignored police instructions. But because it was at the beginning of the session he said that the indictment is wrong ("plead not guilty), saw the court forced a new date fixed. The Australian press was for the morning session of massively torn. The issue is already in Australia national news for days. There were eleven camera crews from news bulletins and current affairs programs, many photographers and journalists writing.

(http://www.peterrdevries.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/peter-pers-australie-2.jpg)
Peters was arrested in Australia last few days, national news

Disappointed
Peter said afterwards that he was disappointed that the case was not materially affected. "I had to set it there and had finished my call. The matter is now put on September 7, but it is questionable whether I could be with yourself. I fly tonight back to the Netherlands and then two weeks later the whole trip for a lawsuit here, although sensitive, but in fact it is a trifle. There is also a chance that the session was postponed again. I am tall order in terms of cost and time. I must think about. "

Deposit
The judge said the hearing will be held in absentia if Peter does not show up. A request by the prosecution to establish a deposit in order to guarantee the return of Peter was rejected by the court.

Meanwhile the pressure on the matter raised by the media and journalists are Australian daily to the door to the fugitive murder suspect Dan Ross, who wants nothing more to explain and call the police for protection remains.

Last update: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 09:54 hours



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2010, 06:48:43 PM
If Joran and Max Highness want to play games ... they can either put Joran in the general population or release him straight to the streets after publicly announcing the time and place.

 ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2010, 06:51:05 PM
Also, joran was NOT jailed due to his "confession" --- he was jalied on the hard EVIDENCE and him fleeing the country. They don't NEED his stinkin' confession.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 07:19:35 PM
Also, joran was NOT jailed due to his "confession" --- he was jalied on the hard EVIDENCE and him fleeing the country. They don't NEED his stinkin' confession.

RIGHT!!! They have hard evidence, including an ironclad video collection of exactly who had the ONLY opportunity to kill Stephany! The confession will stand anyway, IMO, but even without it, Joran's a goner. I'm anxious for him to complete his full tour of the Peruvian penal system.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot faces a murder charge in the death of college student Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room in May. Police said he confessed to the killing after his arrest, but van der Sloot is asking a court to throw out his statement.

Authorities say van der Sloot has not received any visits from his family or given any interviews since his arrest.

The 22-year-old Dutch national was a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba. He was arrested twice but released both times for lack of evidence. He has denied involvement and has not been charged in the case, though federal prosecutors in the United States say he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother in exchange for information about the whereabouts of her daughter's remains.

Ospina, a Colombian, faces trial for murder in the contract killing of Peruvian entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, while Smith is accused of killing his Peruvian wife, dismembering her and stuffing her body in a suitcase that was later found by fishermen offshore.

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2010, 10:48:53 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot faces a murder charge in the death of college student Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room in May. Police said he confessed to the killing after his arrest, but van der Sloot is asking a court to throw out his statement.

Authorities say van der Sloot has not received any visits from his family or given any interviews since his arrest.

The 22-year-old Dutch national was a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba. He was arrested twice but released both times for lack of evidence. He has denied involvement and has not been charged in the case, though federal prosecutors in the United States say he tried to extort $250,000 from Holloway's mother in exchange for information about the whereabouts of her daughter's remains.

Ospina, a Colombian, faces trial for murder in the contract killing of Peruvian entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, while Smith is accused of killing his Peruvian wife, dismembering her and stuffing her body in a suitcase that was later found by fishermen offshore.

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.


I wonder what they did with the Clown and William Smith. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: msmarple on August 24, 2010, 10:49:43 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

<snip>

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.

Re. disciplinary action - just as I suspected.

Re. removal of the others from protective custody - Hummm. Joran essentially is in isolation - without his pen pals. (Bet they're pizzed about that. Wonder if they got sent to gen pop.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 11:25:40 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

<snip>

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.

Re. disciplinary action - just as I suspected.

Re. removal of the others from protective custody - Hummm. Joran essentially is in isolation - without his pen pals. (Bet they're pizzed about that. Wonder if they got sent to gen pop.)


Awww, poor Joran. Wonder how he'll sleep without a cuddle buddy?   ::piggy:: Whatever was going on, he apparently was smiling about it, so I'm glad they changed it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 11:29:49 PM
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to arrange for a translator. I'm just glad they don't have to find one who can translate from Papimento (sp?). I don't trust anybody who can even speak that!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: SuzieQ on August 24, 2010, 11:30:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

<snip>

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.

Re. disciplinary action - just as I suspected.

Re. removal of the others from protective custody - Hummm. Joran essentially is in isolation - without his pen pals. (Bet they're pizzed about that. Wonder if they got sent to gen pop.)


Awww, poor Joran. Wonder how he'll sleep without a cuddle buddy?   ::piggy:: Whatever was going on, he apparently was smiling about it, so I'm glad they changed it!


Me too!  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2010, 11:33:30 PM
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to arrange for a translator. I'm just glad they don't have to find one who can translate from Papimento (sp?). I don't trust anybody who can even speak that!


Joran speaks Dutch, Spanish, English, and Pap fluently. He doesn't need a damn translator.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2010, 11:40:07 PM
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to arrange for a translator. I'm just glad they don't have to find one who can translate from Papimento (sp?). I don't trust anybody who can even speak that!


Joran speaks Dutch, Spanish, English, and Pap fluently. He doesn't need a damn translator.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
He could BE a certified translator himself!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2010, 11:42:36 PM
I hope that Joran is in isolation.

The way it has been described it was more like a fraternity house than a prison.
News reports say they were watching television, playing cards eating pizza and hamburgers.

I think the TV belonged to the Clown, so it may be gone, if reports are true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 11:45:12 PM
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to arrange for a translator. I'm just glad they don't have to find one who can translate from Papimento (sp?). I don't trust anybody who can even speak that!

Joran speaks Dutch, Spanish, English, and Pap fluently. He doesn't need a damn translator.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
He could BE a certified translator himself!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree wreck, just more of his playing the system!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 11:49:12 PM
I don't quite understand why it's so hard to arrange for a translator. I'm just glad they don't have to find one who can translate from Papimento (sp?). I don't trust anybody who can even speak that!

Joran speaks Dutch, Spanish, English, and Pap fluently. He doesn't need a damn translator.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
He could BE a certified translator himself!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree wreck, just more of his playing the system!   ::MonkeyMad::

So true! He just had "confession remorse" and Paulus' influence taught him to look for a legal technical way out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
I hope that Joran is in isolation.

The way it has been described it was more like a fraternity house than a prison.
News reports say they were watching television, playing cards eating pizza and hamburgers.

I think the TV belonged to the Clown, so it may be gone, if reports are true.

I hope some huge hungry rats keep him company, if they don't I hope he's at least worried that they might!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 24, 2010, 11:52:26 PM
You know, come to think of it, I hardly picked up so much as an accent during any of the lengthy interviews Joran did, and English is not Joran's native language. He's very fluent and apt in many languages. He probably could have been a translator if he had been prone to work for a living rather than become a murderer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 25, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
I hope that Joran is in isolation.

The way it has been described it was more like a fraternity house than a prison.
News reports say they were watching television, playing cards eating pizza and hamburgers.

I think the TV belonged to the Clown, so it may be gone, if reports are true.

I hope some huge hungry rats keep him company
, if they don't I hope he's at least worried that they might!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(Bolded by me)

(http://bestsmileys.com/animals/9.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 12:11:41 AM
You know, come to think of it, I hardly picked up so much as an accent during any of the lengthy interviews Joran did, and English is not Joran's native language. He's very fluent and apt in many languages. He probably could have been a translator if he had been prone to work for a living rather than become a murderer.

http://www.iss.edu/GovSch/Aruba.html

 ::monkeyscissors::

English is the language of instruction. In addition, Spanish and Dutch are taught as part of the world language program.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 12:13:15 AM
I hope that Joran is in isolation.

The way it has been described it was more like a fraternity house than a prison.
News reports say they were watching television, playing cards eating pizza and hamburgers.

I think the TV belonged to the Clown, so it may be gone, if reports are true.

I hope some huge hungry rats keep him company
, if they don't I hope he's at least worried that they might!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDevil::

(Bolded by me)

(http://bestsmileys.com/animals/9.gif)

 ::MonkeyDance:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 12:32:40 AM
Another person has drowned in Aruba.  From my understanding a 44 year old man that was a teacher at the EPB Hato school (I think).

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/21249-caso-di-hogamento-na-grapefield.html

Papiamentu translation:

docente by scol secundario owing to hoga at Boca Grandi

tuesday, 24 august 2010 19:16

in oranan by tuesday afternoon, at first instant owing to come into informe cu will was have one caso by hogamento at Boca Grandi. at once owing to despacha one unidad by police at the sitio before so atende the caso. read more before see more imagen y also update: sinembargo, ambulance have to owing to depart for by beach, cual we have cu say is far before deal type by casonan so. according we reportero, is luchando before rebiba the cabayero here, before so hang on to at life. is dificil before ambulance arrive caminda cu the person is, mirando cu is deal here by beach. cu one pick up owing to bring the victima before ambulance, while cu they owing to dune cpr. for by eynan they owing to hibe centro medico before follow reanime... update: informacionnan cu we owing to ricibi is cu before 7or y mey by at night dr. parr is constata dead by ronald jan izaac van doorn, naci at the netherlands 02-08-1966 y was docente by one scol secundario. el'a attain problem in water at instant cu the was eherce one sport acuatico. posiblemente the victima will owing to cay during cu the was kite surf y will owing to strike her cabez at the coralnan cu is just abao y surface was in water seco. fiscal not owing to attain necesario before haci autopsia y owing to entrega the restonan deadly at the family. el'a allow behind her casa y two child muher diminutive. at famianan by the fayecido we is extende we more sincero words by deep condolencia.


http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/3232-version-policial-di-e-hogamento.html

Papiamentu translation:

version policial by the hogamento

tuesday, 24 august 2010 23:29

before more or less 6or y 56 by afternoon, central by police is dirigi patrouille by san nicolas before mouth big, where they're ask yudansa before one person cu probably will owing to hoga y they're tratando by reanime. at arrival police is encounter two kite surfer is dunando cpr at one man, also one kite surfer, but this do not give senjal by life. they're count ; police cu they not owing to look at precisamente thing owing to sosode cu the victima but dado instant they owing to look at her kitesurf in water y hour they owing to bay throw view pe come across, owing to come haye is flota on her belly. ambulance also is present at the sitio y paramediconan is do all will possible before try reanima the victima but the do not responde. the victima is wordo transporta cu urgencia before centro medico at san nicolas where is follow work cune. before more or less 7or y half dr. parr is constata dead by the victima: ronald jan izaak van doorn nasi at the netherlands 2 by august 1966 (44 anja) be alive at mon pos 1-a docente at epi. dr. parr is constata dead owing to base by hogamento. probably the victima will owing to cay during cu the is kite surf y strike her cabez at the coralnan cu is just bow and surface in water seco. fiscal not owing to attain necesario before do autopsia y owing to entrega the restonan deadly at the family. the victima owing to allow behind her senjora y two child muher chiquito. by part cuerpo policial is send words by condolencia at family by the fayecido.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 25, 2010, 12:50:36 AM
INPE investigates "snapshot" of Van der Sloot, and Trujillo Trickett
   
 | CPN NEWS - AUG 24 | The National Institute of Corrections reported that explores the use of cameras of the Miguel Castro Castro, to portray the alleged killers: Joran Van der Sloot, William Trickett Smith and Alejandro Trujillo.

Through a statement, the institution explained that the Office of Internal Affairs will investigate against the alleged acts of misconduct committed by workers functional establishment.

He also assured that they will continue fighting against corruption.

http://www.cpnradio.pe/html/2010/08/24/11/1712.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 25, 2010, 01:03:59 AM
Joran van der Sloot: "It's fantastic!"

Good news for fans of Holland's' pride, Joran van der Sloot: He seems really to have his sentence in Peru.

Van der Sloot, the Peruvian media, reportedly in very well with Trujillo Alejandro Ospina, an assassin from Colombia, and the American murder suspect William Trickett.

The latter spent a few years ago, his 21-year-old wife, Jana Claudia Gomez Mendez, brutally killed in a hotel room. Once she was dead he put her in a suitcase, which he then threw into the sea.

The assassin Ospina is stuck because of the murder of 51-year-old Jewish businesswoman Myriam Fefer in 2006, according to De Telegraaf.

Since Joran is suspected of the murder of Stephany Flores is the obvious conclusion: like attracts like.

Meanwhile the trial of Van der Sloot psychopath stopped because no official interpreter could be found. Typical South Americans: they have an internationally known criminal in the hands, they can 't condemn because they quickly things have not settled.

Well, although Van der Sloot and his lawyer do I slow down the process still in good spirits these wannabe top criminals will soon just be sentenced to years behind bars and disappears. Let's hope at least: we need the world, and especially the female part of the world, to protect him.

http://fp.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2010/08/joran-van-der-sloot-het-is-hier-fantastisch/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2010, 01:11:53 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 25, 2010, 07:20:55 AM
I cannot think of a better place for Joran Vandersloot to be........ a cold, damp, rat infested prison cell. 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Monkey with Class on August 25, 2010, 09:44:25 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/235.zoom3.jpg)

I have always wondered where this photo comes from.  Looks like Aruba is suffering with the whole tourism thing.  That's what happens when you cover a crime.

Is there a link I can bookmark so I can view the image anytime?

Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2010, 10:13:21 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/236.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2010, 10:19:15 AM
Monkey with Class,

The link is www.bucuticam.com   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2010, 11:37:02 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/235.zoom3.jpg)

I have always wondered where this photo comes from.  Looks like Aruba is suffering with the whole tourism thing.  That's what happens when you cover a crime.

Is there a link I can bookmark so I can view the image anytime?

Thanks in advance!

http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/235.zoom3.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/235.zoom3.jpg)

I have always wondered where this photo comes from.  Looks like Aruba is suffering with the whole tourism thing.  That's what happens when you cover a crime.

Is there a link I can bookmark so I can view the image anytime?

Thanks in advance!

http://www.bucuticam.com  /album2/Images/235.zoom3.jpg

oops sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
or the "zoom" view:

http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MsVada on August 25, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

<snip>

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.

Re. disciplinary action - just as I suspected.

Re. removal of the others from protective custody - Hummm. Joran essentially is in isolation - without his pen pals. (Bet they're pizzed about that. Wonder if they got sent to gen pop.)


Awww, poor Joran. Wonder how he'll sleep without a cuddle buddy?   ::piggy:: Whatever was going on, he apparently was smiling about it, so I'm glad they changed it!


I for one am a little mad about this story.  I thought he was going to suffer in isolation and that he was going to be scared shi+less to be tossed in general population. After all, we have heard how terrible this prison is, one of the worst in the world..... Now it appears he's made some friends.  He does not deserve anything that is a basic human necessity.  He should have lost weight by now because of lack of food,  he should be filthy and have rags to wear..... ::MonkeyMad::   He should be suffering!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2010, 12:39:53 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2010, 04:58:14 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/peru.vandersloot.photo/

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
By the CNN Wire Staff
August 24, 2010 8:15 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Authorities in Peru said Tuesday they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photograph, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.

Peru's National Institute of Corrections said Tuesday that disciplinary action was in the works over the photo.

"On August 23, the Office of Internal Affairs of the institution began administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution," the agency announced. "They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

<snip>

Ospina, Smith and van der Sloot were being held in a protective custody wing of the Castro Castro prison, away from other inmates, when the photo was taken last week, Peruvian authorities said. Van der Sloot is the only one of the three who is now being held there, they said.

Re. disciplinary action - just as I suspected.

Re. removal of the others from protective custody - Hummm. Joran essentially is in isolation - without his pen pals. (Bet they're pizzed about that. Wonder if they got sent to gen pop.)


Awww, poor Joran. Wonder how he'll sleep without a cuddle buddy?   ::piggy:: Whatever was going on, he apparently was smiling about it, so I'm glad they changed it!


I for one am a little mad about this story.  I thought he was going to suffer in isolation and that he was going to be scared shi+less to be tossed in general population. After all, we have heard how terrible this prison is, one of the worst in the world..... Now it appears he's made some friends.  He does not deserve anything that is a basic human necessity.  He should have lost weight by now because of lack of food,  he should be filthy and have rags to wear..... ::MonkeyMad::   He should be suffering!!

You aren't alone! It didn't thrill me either! I just keep thinking and hoping that they're allowing him this special treatment to keep him alive so he can be convicted and after that, they'll put him in General Population where he won't last long and hopefully will go scared to death in the days leading up to it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 08:24:27 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4297&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

3 hora happen | fecha: 25/08/2010 | horario: 16:48

relaciona cu the caso foxylady the 3 sospechosonan they detencion owing to go back remain prolonga

diaranzon morning

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4297/2_1282769403.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 08:26:54 PM
Another person has drowned in Aruba.  From my understanding a 44 year old man that was a teacher at the EPB Hato school (I think).

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/21249-caso-di-hogamento-na-grapefield.html

Papiamentu translation:

docente by scol secundario owing to hoga at Boca Grandi

tuesday, 24 august 2010 19:16

in oranan by tuesday afternoon, at first instant owing to come into informe cu will was have one caso by hogamento at Boca Grandi. at once owing to despacha one unidad by police at the sitio before so atende the caso. read more before see more imagen y also update: sinembargo, ambulance have to owing to depart for by beach, cual we have cu say is far before deal type by casonan so. according we reportero, is luchando before rebiba the cabayero here, before so hang on to at life. is dificil before ambulance arrive caminda cu the person is, mirando cu is deal here by beach. cu one pick up owing to bring the victima before ambulance, while cu they owing to dune cpr. for by eynan they owing to hibe centro medico before follow reanime... update: informacionnan cu we owing to ricibi is cu before 7or y mey by at night dr. parr is constata dead by ronald jan izaac van doorn, naci at the netherlands 02-08-1966 y was docente by one scol secundario. el'a attain problem in water at instant cu the was eherce one sport acuatico. posiblemente the victima will owing to cay during cu the was kite surf y will owing to strike her cabez at the coralnan cu is just abao y surface was in water seco. fiscal not owing to attain necesario before haci autopsia y owing to entrega the restonan deadly at the family. el'a allow behind her casa y two child muher diminutive. at famianan by the fayecido we is extende we more sincero words by deep condolencia.


http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/polis/69-policial/3232-version-policial-di-e-hogamento.html

Papiamentu translation:

version policial by the hogamento

tuesday, 24 august 2010 23:29

before more or less 6or y 56 by afternoon, central by police is dirigi patrouille by san nicolas before mouth big, where they're ask yudansa before one person cu probably will owing to hoga y they're tratando by reanime. at arrival police is encounter two kite surfer is dunando cpr at one man, also one kite surfer, but this do not give senjal by life. they're count ; police cu they not owing to look at precisamente thing owing to sosode cu the victima but dado instant they owing to look at her kitesurf in water y hour they owing to bay throw view pe come across, owing to come haye is flota on her belly. ambulance also is present at the sitio y paramediconan is do all will possible before try reanima the victima but the do not responde. the victima is wordo transporta cu urgencia before centro medico at san nicolas where is follow work cune. before more or less 7or y half dr. parr is constata dead by the victima: ronald jan izaak van doorn nasi at the netherlands 2 by august 1966 (44 anja) be alive at mon pos 1-a docente at epi. dr. parr is constata dead owing to base by hogamento. probably the victima will owing to cay during cu the is kite surf y strike her cabez at the coralnan cu is just bow and surface in water seco. fiscal not owing to attain necesario before do autopsia y owing to entrega the restonan deadly at the family. the victima owing to allow behind her senjora y two child muher chiquito. by part cuerpo policial is send words by condolencia at family by the fayecido.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77126.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Teacher drowns EPB times kitesurfing

August 25, 2010, 1:19 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - By EPB Hato prevailed yesterday morning after a big defeat when kitesurfing teacher at Boca Grandi drowned. It is the 44-year-old Ronald Isaac van Doorn January that the course taught Science. The flags were at half mast (see photo) and teachers and students stood one minutes silence. The lessons went beyond it by.

Van Doorn was killed last night when he fell while surfing with his head against the coral ended. He became unconscious. Other surfers suddenly noticed that the kite from the victim in the water. She went looking and found the teacher, face down in the water. Van Doorn was removed from the water and resuscitated. The victim was then at the Medical Center in San Nicolas Imsan room where a doctor found dead by drowning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 08:30:47 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77133.php

Google translation:

Aruba puts half million dollars in Fashion Week

August 25, 2010, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/25-fashion-week_ar_-pag-3.gif)
Fashion Week organizer Ronchi de Cuba, speaking at the press conference surrounding the signing of the sponsorship contract with the government. His left Damilice Mansur, owner of the parent company of Fashion Week view Aruba and co-organizer Eva Weaver. Minister Otmar Oduber right and Jerusha Rasmijn of ATA.

ORANGE CITY - The first edition of Aruba Fashion Week takes place in early November 2011. Yesterday signed Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP), a sponsorship contract worth $ 500,000 for the four-day fashion showcase with local operator Aruba NV Fashion Week.

The total cost of the event amounts to nearly $ 900,000. The Aruban government is sponsoring a majority of it with half million dollars, the same amount they invested in earlier this year, the Aruba International Film Festival. The rest is financed by private sector. "We assume that the return on advertising here on Aruba three to four times the value of the costs will amount to," said Ronchi De Cuba, organizer and leader for the project around fashion week. "Much more than that, I expect," added Minister Oduber added. The minister expects Aruba Fashion Week to launch an annual event that will match the prestige of an "Aruba Jazz & Latin Festival in her heyday. Ticket prices for Aruba Fashion Week have not yet been determined.

Younger tourists
Fashion houses such as Roberto Cavalli and LAMB fashion label by singer Gwen Stefani will present the latest collections of clothing lines show their outdoor locations all over the island. Besides the fashion shows during Fashion Week Aruba numerous cocktail and dance parties as well as workshops. The organizer Cuba: "The idea is that there is an educational element is added to Aruba Fashion Week." Audience of the event are wealthy, younger tourists. "People who love shopping and spend money on entertainment," said De Cuba. Minister Otmar Oduber indicates that deliberately searched for this target group. He says that over the years, including by the timeshare boom years back, a loyal group of Aruba repeat clients has developed. "This is largely to retirees and gradually reach an age where we should start thinking about rejuvenating your loyal group of guests," said Minister Oduber.

Aruba Fashion Week is organized in cooperation with media company IMG, organizers of the Fashion Weeks in New York, London and Milan. When the Aruban edition was announced in early June it was envisaged that the event in April next year would take place. According to Ronchi De Cuba was advised by IMG chosen to move it to November. "It should take place between April and November, and in November because we can draw more people to the island for this event is ultimately chosen for that month." 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 08:33:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77127.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Figures on crime in Aruba House
August 25, 2010, 13:21 (GMT -04:00)

THE HAGUE - The House this week called the Crime Image Analysis (CBA) of Aruba for inspection received after parliament in May, the data received from Curacao and Bonaire. Resigning Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA), the Lower House as per letter informed. CBA's are called every two years prepared by the attorneys general of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. These are confidential documents which may only be viewed by members of the House. Bijleveld, the Dutch Antillean and Aruban Affairs Committee earlier this year agreed to the documents for inspection. Former VVD Commissioner Johan Remkes gave in June to even be interested in the figures of St. Maarten, but makes no mention of the State.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77133.php

Google translation:

Aruba puts half million dollars in Fashion Week

August 25, 2010, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/25-fashion-week_ar_-pag-3.gif)
Fashion Week organizer Ronchi de Cuba, speaking at the press conference surrounding the signing of the sponsorship contract with the government. His left Damilice Mansur, owner of the parent company of Fashion Week view Aruba and co-organizer Eva Weaver. Minister Otmar Oduber right and Jerusha Rasmijn of ATA.

ORANGE CITY - The first edition of Aruba Fashion Week takes place in early November 2011. Yesterday signed Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP), a sponsorship contract worth $ 500,000 for the four-day fashion showcase with local operator Aruba NV Fashion Week.

The total cost of the event amounts to nearly $ 900,000. The Aruban government is sponsoring a majority of it with half million dollars, the same amount they invested in earlier this year, the Aruba International Film Festival. The rest is financed by private sector. "We assume that the return on advertising here on Aruba three to four times the value of the costs will amount to," said Ronchi De Cuba, organizer and leader for the project around fashion week. "Much more than that, I expect," added Minister Oduber added. The minister expects Aruba Fashion Week to launch an annual event that will match the prestige of an "Aruba Jazz & Latin Festival in her heyday. Ticket prices for Aruba Fashion Week have not yet been determined.

Younger tourists
Fashion houses such as Roberto Cavalli and LAMB fashion label by singer Gwen Stefani will present the latest collections of clothing lines show their outdoor locations all over the island. Besides the fashion shows during Fashion Week Aruba numerous cocktail and dance parties as well as workshops. The organizer Cuba: "The idea is that there is an educational element is added to Aruba Fashion Week." Audience of the event are wealthy, younger tourists. "People who love shopping and spend money on entertainment," said De Cuba. Minister Otmar Oduber indicates that deliberately searched for this target group. He says that over the years, including by the timeshare boom years back, a loyal group of Aruba repeat clients has developed. "This is largely to retirees and gradually reach an age where we should start thinking about rejuvenating your loyal group of guests," said Minister Oduber.

Aruba Fashion Week is organized in cooperation with media company IMG, organizers of the Fashion Weeks in New York, London and Milan. When the Aruban edition was announced in early June it was envisaged that the event in April next year would take place. According to Ronchi De Cuba was advised by IMG chosen to move it to November. "It should take place between April and November, and in November because we can draw more people to the island for this event is ultimately chosen for that month." 


That Ronchi de Cuba is such a cutie pie. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2010, 10:14:56 PM
"I never wished for any of it to leave the forum"?

March, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kyle Kingman:  Since I got the go ahead from Tim, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect


December, 2008

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »


The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December. ....

I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections.  I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum.  I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77133.php

Google translation:

Aruba puts half million dollars in Fashion Week

August 25, 2010, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/25-fashion-week_ar_-pag-3.gif)
Fashion Week organizer Ronchi de Cuba, speaking at the press conference surrounding the signing of the sponsorship contract with the government. His left Damilice Mansur, owner of the parent company of Fashion Week view Aruba and co-organizer Eva Weaver. Minister Otmar Oduber right and Jerusha Rasmijn of ATA.

ORANGE CITY - The first edition of Aruba Fashion Week takes place in early November 2011. Yesterday signed Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP), a sponsorship contract worth $ 500,000 for the four-day fashion showcase with local operator Aruba NV Fashion Week.

The total cost of the event amounts to nearly $ 900,000. The Aruban government is sponsoring a majority of it with half million dollars, the same amount they invested in earlier this year, the Aruba International Film Festival. The rest is financed by private sector. "We assume that the return on advertising here on Aruba three to four times the value of the costs will amount to," said Ronchi De Cuba, organizer and leader for the project around fashion week. "Much more than that, I expect," added Minister Oduber added. The minister expects Aruba Fashion Week to launch an annual event that will match the prestige of an "Aruba Jazz & Latin Festival in her heyday. Ticket prices for Aruba Fashion Week have not yet been determined.

Younger tourists
Fashion houses such as Roberto Cavalli and LAMB fashion label by singer Gwen Stefani will present the latest collections of clothing lines show their outdoor locations all over the island. Besides the fashion shows during Fashion Week Aruba numerous cocktail and dance parties as well as workshops. The organizer Cuba: "The idea is that there is an educational element is added to Aruba Fashion Week." Audience of the event are wealthy, younger tourists. "People who love shopping and spend money on entertainment," said De Cuba. Minister Otmar Oduber indicates that deliberately searched for this target group. He says that over the years, including by the timeshare boom years back, a loyal group of Aruba repeat clients has developed. "This is largely to retirees and gradually reach an age where we should start thinking about rejuvenating your loyal group of guests," said Minister Oduber.

Aruba Fashion Week is organized in cooperation with media company IMG, organizers of the Fashion Weeks in New York, London and Milan. When the Aruban edition was announced in early June it was envisaged that the event in April next year would take place. According to Ronchi De Cuba was advised by IMG chosen to move it to November. "It should take place between April and November, and in November because we can draw more people to the island for this event is ultimately chosen for that month." 


That Ronchi de Cuba is such a cutie pie. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeydust::

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

 Close · Aruba, August 25th, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 6 JULY 2010 under serial number 39911.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
ARUBA FASHION WEEK
 
Business address   ENGELANDSTRAAT 29, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   ARUBA FASHION WEEK N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   30 JUNE 2010
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 12,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 12,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

STONEWOLVE HOLDING N.V.
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Since   30 JUNE 2010
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

OBJECTIVE (S) OF THE COMPANY

1. To produce, promote, organize, launch, development and sales of fashion and beauty events.
2. Driving COMMERCE (INCLUDING THE SMALL, GREAT, BETWEEN, transit, commissions and agencies TRADE), THE IMPORT AND EXPORT (IN PARTICULAR WITHOUT limited to) OF CLOTHING, JEWELRY, jewelery, bath and beach clothes, shoes, bags, belts, reading glasses, sunglasses, GIFT ITEMS, COSMETICS, PERFUMERY, TOILET ARTICLES AND ALL THAT IN MARKET boutiques tend to be, those articles AND THROUGH CATALOG ORDERS traded.
3. ORGANIZING FOR SHOWS, FASHION SHOWS, TRADE SHOWS, SEMINARS AND WORKSHOPS.
4. Plan, design, design and construct EVENTS (EVENT DESIGN) AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF IDEAS (concept development).
5. DEVELOPING AND DESIGNING OF THEATRE (STAGE), producing, directing and ESCENEREN.
6. OBTAINING and distribution of global MEDIA / PUBLICITY RIGHTS.
7. ORGANIZING, AND GIVING SUPPORT OF CULTURAL EVENTS, SHOWS, CONFERENCES, FESTIVALS, SHOWS AND WORKSHOPS, WHICH BOTH INDOOR and outdoor BE STORED.
8. THE PROVISION OF SERVICES AND PROVIDE ALL ON ORGANIZATION, ILLUSTRATION, CREATIVE, graphic and audiovisual design, photography and copywriting.
9. THE MARKETING AND (DO) Publishing INCLUDING editing, printing, RECORD, distribution and sale of newspapers, magazines, brochures, books, advertising products, promotional printed materials, other printed matter, audio and video tapes and programs, LASER AND COMPUTER DISCS AND OTHER SUPPORTING INFORMATION ARTICLES.
10. THE MAKING OF FILM, PHOTOGRAPHY, VIDEO, choreographic and musical productions AND ALL OTHER SPECIES PRODUCTIONS.
11. IMPLEMENTATION, DESIGN, MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OF WEB SITES, THE IMPLEMENTATION THEREOF, INCLUDING MULTI-MEDIA AND ELECTRONIC image processing in the broadest sense and publishing ADVERTISEMENT ON THESE SITES.
12. THE PERCEPTION OF THE INTERESTS OF Filmstars / ARTISTS, THE GUIDANCE OF film stars / ARTISTS AT THE CLOSE OF THE CONTRACTS AND defense of their interests, everything in the broadest sense.
13. The acquisition, possession, transfer, management and development of MOVABLE and immovable property and the acquisition, possession, sale and rights management and of movable and immovable INTERESTS IN MATTERS RELATING.
14. THE RENT, LET, sublet, PROVISION OF MORTGAGE ON OR OTHERWISE ESTABLISHMENT OF SECURITY of movable and immovable business or related rights and interests.
15. INVESTING THE ASSETS OF ITS SECURITIES AS PART OF SHARES AND OTHER SECURITIES entitlement, DEBENTURES AND OTHER INTEREST-BEARING RECEIVABLES, AND UNDER WHAT NAME in any form whatsoever.
16. UNDER THE PURPOSE OF THE COMPANY It includes the establish and acquire, to participate in, working with and conducting management of other enterprises and IT (do) obtain funding THROUGH providing security, OF OTHER COMPANIES, WITH NAME OF THE COMPANY TO WHICH IS CONNECTED IN A GROUP, AND ANY OTHER such that IF THE COMPANY CREDIT INSTITUTIONS UNDER THE SUPERVISION Banking Ordinance may be considered.
17. The setting of bail and OTHER WARRANTIES AND transfer the ownership, whether or not fiduciary OR TRUST or mortgaging, pledge or otherwise encumber assets, and in that case SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE DEBTS OF THE COMPANY AND THE DEBTS OF THIRD PARTIES , with or without CONTRAPRESTATIE.
18. THE WHOLE OR IN PART OF BUILDING Pension FOR EMPLOYEES OR EMPLOYEES ADVISED OF THE COMPANY AND / OR THEIR survivors.
19. Participation in other companies and enterprises irrespective of their purpose.
20. PROVISION OF ALL TRANSACTIONS THAT WITH THE ABOVE relating to, all in the broadest sense.
21. WILL the above as necessary in the observance of the provisions of or under the relevant legislation.

-------------------------------------

· Close · Aruba, August 25th, 2010


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 2 JULY 2010 under serial number 39899.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
STONEWOLVE HOLDING
 
Business address   ENGELANDSTRAAT 29, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   STONEWOLVE HOLDING N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   30 JUNE 2010
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MANSUR, DAMILICE CECILIA EUGENIA;
Born in   ARUBA on 11 DECEMBER 1972
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   30 JUNE 2010
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A. Serving as a holding company in the broadest sense;
B. THE INVESTMENT OF FUNDS IN ITS SECURITIES AS SHARES AND OTHER SECURITIES, of securities, bonds and other interest-bearing receivables, UNDER ANY NAME AND in any form;
C. The acquisition, possession, transfer, management and development of MOVABLE and immovable property and the acquisition, possession, sale and rights management and of movable and immovable INTERESTS IN MATTERS RELATING;
D. THE RENT, LET, sublet, PROVISION OF MORTGAGE ON OR OTHERWISE giving of security HEIDSRECHTEN of movable and immovable business or related rights and interests;
E. UNDER THE SCOPE OF THE COMPANY It includes the establish and acquire, to participate in, to cooperate with and to conduct the management of other companies, and the (DO) financing, including through the provision of security of other companies, WITH SPECIAL REFERENCE TO THAT WHICH THE COMPANY IN AN group;
F. The setting of bail and OTHER WARRANTIES AND transfer the ownership, whether or not fiduciary OR TRUST or mortgaging, pledge or otherwise encumber assets, and in that case SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE DEBTS OF THE COMPANY AND THE DEBTS OF THIRD PARTIES , whether or not CONTRAPRESTATIE;
G. THE WHOLE OR PARTIAL BUILDING Pension FOR DIRECTORS, former directors, shareholders, ADVISED OF SHAREHOLDERS AND / OR THEIR survivors;
H. PARTICIPATE IN THE MANAGEMENT AND FEEDING ON THE OTHER COMPANIES OR FIRMS REGARDLESS OF THEIR PURPOSE;
I. PROVISION OF ALL TRANSACTIONS, WHICH TO MAKE THE ABOVE ON, EVERYTHING in the broadest sense;
J. The above WILL NEED THE EXTENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORY OF THE PROVISIONS ON LEGAL ARRANGEMENTS.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2010, 11:44:26 PM
http://www.dogofind.com/branch/dagblad-%20uitgeverijen/?l=nl

Diario N.V.
Engelandstraat 29
Oranjestad west


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: San on August 25, 2010, 11:46:10 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77133.php

Google translation:

Aruba puts half million dollars in Fashion Week

August 25, 2010, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/25-fashion-week_ar_-pag-3.gif)
Fashion Week organizer Ronchi de Cuba, speaking at the press conference surrounding the signing of the sponsorship contract with the government. His left Damilice Mansur, owner of the parent company of Fashion Week view Aruba and co-organizer Eva Weaver. Minister Otmar Oduber right and Jerusha Rasmijn of ATA.

ORANGE CITY - The first edition of Aruba Fashion Week takes place in early November 2011. Yesterday signed Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP), a sponsorship contract worth $ 500,000 for the four-day fashion showcase with local operator Aruba NV Fashion Week.

The total cost of the event amounts to nearly $ 900,000. The Aruban government is sponsoring a majority of it with half million dollars, the same amount they invested in earlier this year, the Aruba International Film Festival. The rest is financed by private sector. "We assume that the return on advertising here on Aruba three to four times the value of the costs will amount to," said Ronchi De Cuba, organizer and leader for the project around fashion week. "Much more than that, I expect," added Minister Oduber added. The minister expects Aruba Fashion Week to launch an annual event that will match the prestige of an "Aruba Jazz & Latin Festival in her heyday. Ticket prices for Aruba Fashion Week have not yet been determined.

Younger tourists
Fashion houses such as Roberto Cavalli and LAMB fashion label by singer Gwen Stefani will present the latest collections of clothing lines show their outdoor locations all over the island. Besides the fashion shows during Fashion Week Aruba numerous cocktail and dance parties as well as workshops. The organizer Cuba: "The idea is that there is an educational element is added to Aruba Fashion Week." Audience of the event are wealthy, younger tourists. "People who love shopping and spend money on entertainment," said De Cuba. Minister Otmar Oduber indicates that deliberately searched for this target group. He says that over the years, including by the timeshare boom years back, a loyal group of Aruba repeat clients has developed. "This is largely to retirees and gradually reach an age where we should start thinking about rejuvenating your loyal group of guests," said Minister Oduber.

Aruba Fashion Week is organized in cooperation with media company IMG, organizers of the Fashion Weeks in New York, London and Milan. When the Aruban edition was announced in early June it was envisaged that the event in April next year would take place. According to Ronchi De Cuba was advised by IMG chosen to move it to November. "It should take place between April and November, and in November because we can draw more people to the island for this event is ultimately chosen for that month." 


That Ronchi de Cuba is such a cutie pie. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You are too funny Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 26, 2010, 12:08:03 AM
The National Penitentiary Institute and began an administrative process for "misconduct functional" to punish those responsible.

The controversial photo in which criminal aliens are Joran van der Sloot, Ospina Hugo Trujillo and William Trickett Smith II, which was broadcast over the weekend in the local media, was taken by agents of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), which initiated an administrative process to punish those responsible.

This was stated by the institution in a statement clarifying that the Office of Internal Affairs is responsible for functional investigations of misconduct (misuse of photographic equipment) to workers in the Castro Castro prison.

http://www.peru21.net/2010/08/inpe-toma-foto-a-delincuentes-extranjeros-peru-21/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2010, 01:01:40 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2010, 02:27:07 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: MuffyBee on August 26, 2010, 08:53:36 AM
OT
Wow Kermit!  Some donate their bodies to science, but you donated to history  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/25/original-kermit-frog-donated-smithsonian/
Original Kermit donated to Smithsonian
August 25, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — The original Kermit the Frog, his body created with an old dull-green coat and his eyes made of pingpong balls, has returned home to the nation's capital, where the puppet got his start.

The first Kermit creation from Jim Henson's Muppet's collection appeared in 1955 on the early TV show "Sam and Friends," produced at Washington's WRC-TV. Henson's widow, Jane Henson, on Wednesday donated 10 characters from the show to the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History.
(snip)
The Smithsonian already has a familiar Kermit the Frog puppet made famous on "Sesame Street" and "The Muppet Show." But the original Kermit was more lizardlike and a duller green. His body was made from an old coat thrown out by Henson's mother.
(snip)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
OT
Wow Kermit!  Some donate their bodies to science, but you donated to history  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::  

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/25/original-kermit-frog-donated-smithsonian/
Original Kermit donated to Smithsonian
August 25, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — The original Kermit the Frog, his body created with an old dull-green coat and his eyes made of pingpong balls, has returned home to the nation's capital, where the puppet got his start.

The first Kermit creation from Jim Henson's Muppet's collection appeared in 1955 on the early TV show "Sam and Friends," produced at Washington's WRC-TV. Henson's widow, Jane Henson, on Wednesday donated 10 characters from the show to the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History.
(snip)
The Smithsonian already has a familiar Kermit the Frog puppet made famous on "Sesame Street" and "The Muppet Show." But the original Kermit was more lizardlike and a duller green. His body was made from an old coat thrown out by Henson's mother.
(snip)


They just think that is the original Kermit, but they are confused. ::MonkeyConfused::

We know that we have the real Kermit right here with us.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2010, 11:00:17 AM
No K2 hearing tomorrow.

Future Hearings

09/28/2010 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion (to Strike Case Management Order;Motion to Designate Case "Complex"c/f 8-27-10)

A couple new filings from Plaintiff (K2).  I don't see anything filed by Defense.

08/25/2010 Stipulation (to cont. hearing on plaintiff's motion re:complex, cmc and motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/25/2010 Order ( RE: STIP TO CONTINUE HEARINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 11:20:31 AM
No K2 hearing tomorrow.

Future Hearings

09/28/2010 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion (to Strike Case Management Order;Motion to Designate Case "Complex"c/f 8-27-10)

A couple new filings from Plaintiff (K2).  I don't see anything filed by Defense.

08/25/2010 Stipulation (to cont. hearing on plaintiff's motion re:complex, cmc and motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/25/2010 Order ( RE: STIP TO CONTINUE HEARINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

Thanks Buckeye.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 02:23:17 PM
Inquiring minds want to know why the judge not thrown out this defamation suit by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe against Phil McGraw.  The five day deadline of February 6, 2008 has come and gone ... further extensions have come and gone.

Could it be that ... behind the scenes ... the Kalpoes attorneys are challenging the release of documents ... documents that have nothing to do with the foundation of the case ... the foundation that asks the question ... "Was the Phil McGraw recording deceptively manipulated ... the Phil McGraw recording that was copied directly from Jamie Skeeters' hard drive?"

Could it be that the Phil McGraw attorneys are resisting a professional  comparison?

Could it be that when all is said and done ... there will be a negotiated settlement that will benefit the Kalpoe brother?

Janet

+++++++++

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


LOS ANGELES (AP) ―   

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

(© 2009 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.)

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 02:32:48 PM
I am one with Beth Holloway that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning her precious daughter went missing and ... was never seen again.

However ... does Deepak's own words on the Jamie Skeeters' hard drive reveal involvement?

Janet

++++++

Beth Holloway

Nancy Grace - August 26, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
Could it be that the reason requested documents are required by Phil McGraw's attorneys is that backup is required to prove that Deepak and Satish were not defamed by a recorded copy was deceptively manipulated from the original?

Janet

+++++++

Steve Cohen - Media Spokesperson

ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case ....


CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
Gerold Dompig - Chief of Police

Gerold Dompig’s official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation dictates that inside information was at the foundation of his words regarding his suspicions encompassing the involvement of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.
_________

Aruban police say new tapes could spur arrests
Police official tells 'Abrams Report' about latest in the Holloway case
TRANSCRIPT
updated 6:14 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE:  DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.

So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 2nd
updated 8:26 a.m. PT, Thurs., Nov. 3, 2005


RITA COSBY, HOST:  Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?

GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBA DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF:  Yes.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
updated 9:40 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 6, 2006


GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 03:14:08 PM
THE ARUBAN PROSECUTORS - DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

Karin Janssen - First Arrest - June, 2005

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Karin Janssen - Second Arrest - August, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Hans Mos - Third Arrest - November, 2007

Three Young Men Re-Arrested in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Thursday, November 22, 2007


Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312488,00.html


ARUBAN ATTORNEYS

Arlene Ellis-Schipper - Aruban Attorney

Nancy Grace - July 20, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Aruban Attorney

Associated Press- June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Edward on August 26, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
they were detained for questioning.

arrested implies that they will be prosicuted. they never were.

Our own news media made up of previous lawyers and prosicuters continued to use the word arrested when they knew the differance between detained and arrested.
They do that for a purpose knowing that it plays with the minds of average american citizens that do not know the differance... it is sick.
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 04:00:50 PM
Edward

I do not believe that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe's attorneys would have file this defamation lawsuit if they were not certain that a professional comparison between Skeeters' hard drive and McGraw's recorded copy would reveal manipulation ... not editing.

However ... what the Kalpoes' attorneys did not count on was McGraw's attorneys response to the lawsuit ... a response that would attempt to prove through documentation that the Kalpoes were not defamed even if the recording had been manipulated.  After all ... the "powers that be" within the Aruban  investigation had officially implied through various media outlets that the Kalpoes were involved in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

As always ... IMO.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2010, 04:22:04 PM
Interesting...

http://www.publicworks.com/article.mvc/Aruba-Selects-Veolia-Water-Solutions-0001?atc~c=771+s=773+r=001+l=a&VNETCOOKIE=NO

 

Aruba Selects Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies To Design And Build New Desalination PlantAugust 24, 2010

Two Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies (VWS) companies, N.A. Water Systems and OTV, have been awarded a contract to design and build a 24,000 m3/D (cubic meters per day)/ 6.34-MGD (million gallons per day) desalination facility on the island of Aruba. The desalination plant will treat seawater from beach wells to provide high quality drinking water to the island.

The project will be performed on a 22-month schedule. The contract was issued by Water en Energiebedrijf Aruba N.V. (W.E.B. Aruba), the island's electric and water utility.

The desalination facility will utilize the latest reverse osmosis technology to replace thermal desalination units that were operating with low pressure steam from steam turbines. The turbines are fed with steam from fuel fired boilers. As a result, the new facility will be more economical to operate and better for the environment.

The contract includes performance guarantees for water production and quality, minimal downtime, as well as electrical and chemical consumption. In addition to the design-build work, the contract includes an option for one year of on-site operations assistance and two years of off-site technical assistance.

"Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies is pleased to be working with Aruba on this project. We have a long history with the island, dating back to 1932 when we installed the first desalination plants there," said Paul Choules, Vice President of Desalination at VWS' N.A. Water Systems. "This new desalination plant will provide the community with more efficient treatment process and enable Aruba to phase out the older technology."

Veolia Solutions & Technologies has implemented over 2,000 desalination installations around the world, with a combined capacity of 2 billion gallons per day (7.5 million cubic meters per day).

About Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies
OTV and N.A. Water Systems are two Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies (VWS) companies. VWS, a subsidiary of Veolia Water, is a specialized provider of technological solutions in water treatment and a leader in design & build project delivery. With over 9,500 employees in 57 countries, Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies recorded revenue of $3.6B in 2009.

About Veolia Water
Veolia Water, the water division of Veolia Environnement, is the world leader in water and wastewater services. Specialized in outsourcing services for municipal authorities, as well as industrial and service companies, Veolia Water provides water service to 95 million people and wastewater service to 66 million. With 95,789 employees in 66 countries, its 2009 revenue amounted to $18.1B. For more information, visit:www.veoliawaterst.com.

SOURCE: Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 06:05:31 PM
SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
COMPROMISING AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION?

To avoid compromising an ongoing investigation ... could it be that case documentation that has been released to the Kalpoes' attorney by the Aruban prosecutor ... released according to Dutch law ... must be kept confidential until the Natalee Holloway case is closed?

In other words ... is comply to the request for case documentation by Phil McGraw's attorney a legal impossibility according to Dutch law.

+++++++

NANCY GRACE
Aired June 10, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR:  When a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
A SWORD AND AND SHIELD?

Think about it.  From the getgo ... the Kalpoes' attorney definantly informed the court in a signed declaration that there would be no compliance to requests from McGraw's attorneys in regards to case doumentation.

Nevertheless ... four years later ... the American court judge has yet to throw out the defamation case.  Why?

It is appears that the tiny island of Aruba who ... for over five years ... through obvious conflicts of interest ... has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... is once again showing America who has the upper hand.

+++++++

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2010, 06:56:06 PM
No K2 hearing tomorrow.

Future Hearings

09/28/2010 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion (to Strike Case Management Order;Motion to Designate Case "Complex"c/f 8-27-10)

A couple new filings from Plaintiff (K2).  I don't see anything filed by Defense.

08/25/2010 Stipulation (to cont. hearing on plaintiff's motion re:complex, cmc and motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/25/2010 Order ( RE: STIP TO CONTINUE HEARINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

I'll check too

Checked and nothing new actually filed that can be retrieved yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2010, 06:57:40 PM
THE PHIL MCGRAW'S RECORDING MUST STAND ALONE?

Could it be that there are legal arguments taking place behind the scenes by that Kalpoes' attorneys ... legal agruments that imply that the Phil McGraw's recording must stand alone in the defamation case.

In other words ... when professional compared with the Jamie Skeeter hard drive ... was the Phil McGraw's recording deceptively manipulated to imply Deepak defamed himself?  Yes!  No!

+++++

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2010, 07:40:47 PM
Janet,

Sometimes I wonder whose side you are on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2010, 07:44:07 PM
No K2 hearing tomorrow.

Future Hearings

09/28/2010 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion (to Strike Case Management Order;Motion to Designate Case "Complex"c/f 8-27-10)

A couple new filings from Plaintiff (K2).  I don't see anything filed by Defense.

08/25/2010 Stipulation (to cont. hearing on plaintiff's motion re:complex, cmc and motion to strike )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

08/25/2010 Order ( RE: STIP TO CONTINUE HEARINGS )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

I'll check too

Checked and nothing new actually filed that can be retrieved yet.

Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2010, 07:59:27 PM
Found this posted over at RU:

Stephany's Nintendo Wii / Was it found in Jorans stuff ??

In an interview mr.flores gave to a local Peruvian show he states when asked if he wanted any of belongings all that was given to him was her cell phone, and her empty wallet nothing else was found. The reporter once again asked that was all given to you he states yes nothing else was given to me everything my daughter wears such as her earings, necklace,watch, and ring are all gone. Mr. Flores also stated in this interview he had given his daughter a $ 1,000 for a laptop she had wanted which is also missing he explains he wasn't aware that Stephany had won $ 10,000 a week before in a casin, but was told by one of Stephany's friend, which is also missing. Mr. Flores says if my daughter's " Nintendo Wii " can be found in his belongings this will close the case even further again Joran, because it will show he was the driver of her car in the morning of her killer since she kept the " Nintendo Wii " in her car. Mr. Flores also said he still has the serial number to provide if it was found in his belongings.

Here's the interview in spanish on youtube I translated to english.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qDkSZ8azc_c       



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: antunym on August 26, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
Kyle Kingman: It's possible to have been 10 years or so. I don't know for certain and don't have any way to readily test this. The trap was somewhat intact. It's north side was in poor shape, with significant deterioration of it's northern panels. The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap. It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door. The trap was found in 90 ft.


I been reading in the thread about the persistence and there is something that doesn't make sense. If this is a body that was put in a cage then thrown overboard into the ocean then how did it come to land on the door of the cage... You would think that if the person or persons that did this would have made sure that the body was put in the cage then the door securely fastened to prevent anything from floating up.  I know Tim Miller was recorded as saying there was a body in the cage but how did it happen this way.  Just looking for input as my mind tends to wander....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
Found this posted over at RU:

Stephany's Nintendo Wii / Was it found in Jorans stuff ??

In an interview mr.flores gave to a local Peruvian show he states when asked if he wanted any of belongings all that was given to him was her cell phone, and her empty wallet nothing else was found. The reporter once again asked that was all given to you he states yes nothing else was given to me everything my daughter wears such as her earings, necklace,watch, and ring are all gone. Mr. Flores also stated in this interview he had given his daughter a $ 1,000 for a laptop she had wanted which is also missing he explains he wasn't aware that Stephany had won $ 10,000 a week before in a casin, but was told by one of Stephany's friend, which is also missing. Mr. Flores says if my daughter's " Nintendo Wii " can be found in his belongings this will close the case even further again Joran, because it will show he was the driver of her car in the morning of her killer since she kept the " Nintendo Wii " in her car. Mr. Flores also said he still has the serial number to provide if it was found in his belongings.

Here's the interview in spanish on youtube I translated to english.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=qDkSZ8azc_c       




Maybe the taxi drivers??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
Kyle Kingman: It's possible to have been 10 years or so. I don't know for certain and don't have any way to readily test this. The trap was somewhat intact. It's north side was in poor shape, with significant deterioration of it's northern panels. The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap. It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door. The trap was found in 90 ft.


I been reading in the thread about the persistence and there is something that doesn't make sense. If this is a body that was put in a cage then thrown overboard into the ocean then how did it come to land on the door of the cage... You would think that if the person or persons that did this would have made sure that the body was put in the cage then the door securely fastened to prevent anything from floating up.  I know Tim Miller was recorded as saying there was a body in the cage but how did it happen this way.  Just looking for input as my mind tends to wander....

I have a collapsible dog cage.  Each end (which includes the door) unhinges and folds onto the bottom of the cage. neither end is the length of the cage.  If something was in the back of the cage, I could see that item floating with the current to the top of the end/door, if I threw the cage in the water and it came unhinged.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
I believe the Aruban prosecutor decides who and what will receive information.  The laws are written to their discretion.  We have seen it time and time again.  There is no "sunshine" in Aruba.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: antunym on August 26, 2010, 08:38:51 PM
Kyle Kingman: It's possible to have been 10 years or so. I don't know for certain and don't have any way to readily test this. The trap was somewhat intact. It's north side was in poor shape, with significant deterioration of it's northern panels. The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap. It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door. The trap was found in 90 ft.


I been reading in the thread about the persistence and there is something that doesn't make sense. If this is a body that was put in a cage then thrown overboard into the ocean then how did it come to land on the door of the cage... You would think that if the person or persons that did this would have made sure that the body was put in the cage then the door securely fastened to prevent anything from floating up.  I know Tim Miller was recorded as saying there was a body in the cage but how did it happen this way.  Just looking for input as my mind tends to wander....

I have a collapsible dog cage.  Each end (which includes the door) unhinges and folds onto the bottom of the cage. neither end is the length of the cage.  If something was in the back of the cage, I could see that item floating with the current to the top of the end/door, if I threw the cage in the water and it came unhinged.



That is true I guess if a body was decomposing it would start to float.. This is such a mystery to me... There was never a mentiion by Aruba who's body it was and by the words of Tim Miller it was definitely a body.... It leaves most of us believing it was Natalee in that cage.. I just wish we knew the whole truth. :(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2010, 09:15:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21326-alexander-mathew-a-apela-decision-di-huez-comisario.html

Papiamentu translation:

alexander mathew owing to apela decision by huez comisario

thursday, 26 august 2010 19:44

the sospechoso by mensenhandel, by is form part in one organisacion criminal, menasa y maltrato, alexander mathew today owing to present at corte. past owing to apela the decision by huez comisario before prolonga her detencion cu one maximo by 60 day more. three huez owing to repasa the caso y in will take one decision on detencion. also the be willing to before take away the restriccionnan cu have pe in kia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2010, 01:13:38 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21341-polis-fayo-den-procedura-di-seguridad-a-causa-accidente-fatal.html

Polis: Fayo den procedura di seguridad a causa accidente fatal      

Friday, 27 August 2010 00:23
 
 
Polis ta sospecha cu ta un fayo serio den procedura di seguridad a causa e desgracia fatal na Palo Marga. Esaki vocero di polis a duna di conoce den su declaracion na prensa. John Larmonie a relata cu pa mas o menos 9:20PM Central di polis a haya un yamada cu lo a sosode un accidente basta grave riba pista di Palo Marga. Mientras cu patruyanan di San Nicolas tabata bayendo pa e sitio, ya caba a transporta un di e heridonan mas grave den ambulance di Rode Kruis pa Centro Medico na San Nicolas.

Na yegada polis a constata cu tabata trata di un ATV (All Terrain Vehicle), e asina yama Quad Racer color geel cu lo a dal den dos brommer cu tabata pustando riba pista. E accidente aki lo a sosode na final di e pista di Palo Marga. Como consecuencia di e accidente, e dos motociclistanan, esta e rumannan Pierre Wever y Michael Wever tambe a resulta herida, di cual Pierre Wever a sufri e slanan mas pisa y a fractura un braza.

Pa mas o menos 9:30PM Dokter Albacarys a constata morto di Juan Werleman, naci na Aruba dia 21 di December 1942 (67 aña) y tabata biba na Santa Cruz 310. Motibo exacto di e accidente no ta conoci ainda pero Polis ta sospecha cu ta trata aki di un fayo den e proceduranan di seguridad cu lo a conduci na e accidente tragico aki.

Cuerpo Policial y 24ora.com ta manda palabranan di condolencia na famianan di e fayecido.

Papiamentu translation:

polis: damage in procedura by seguridad owing to cause accidente fateful

friday, 27 august 2010 00:23

police is sospecha cu is one damage earnest in procedura by seguridad owing to cause the desgracia fateful at pole acerbic. this vocero by police owing to give by conoce in her declaracion at prensa. john larmonie owing to relata cu before more or less 9:20pm central by police owing to attain one call cu will owing to sosode one accidente enough important on pista by pole acerbic. while cu patruyanan by san nicolas was bayendo for her sitio, already come to anend owing to transporta one by the heridonan more important in ambulance by rode kruis before centro medico at san nicolas. at arrival police owing to constata cu was deal by one atv (all terrain vehicle), the so be called quad racer color yellow cu will owing to strike in two brommer cu was pustando on pista. the accidente here will owing to sosode at end by the pista by pole acerbic. because consecuencia by the accidente, the two motociclistanan, esta the rumannan pierre wever y michael wever also owing to resulta injury, by cual pierre wever owing to abide the slanan more pisa y owing to fractura one braza. before more or less 9:30pm doctor albacarys owing to constata dead by juan werleman, naci at aruba day 21 by december 1942 (67 aña) y was be alive at santa cruz 310. motibo exact by the accidente do not conoci still but police is sospecha cu is deal here by one damage in the proceduranan by seguridad cu will owing to conduci at the accidente tragico here. cuerpo policial y 24ora.com is send words by condolencia at famianan by the fayecido.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2010, 01:14:52 AM
http://s2.arubayp.com/Aruba/Residential/W/book

Werleman-Geerman, Maria A Santa Cruz 310 A


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2010, 01:26:34 AM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/08262010_AweMaintaPg15.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2010, 01:50:33 AM
http://s2.arubayp.com/Aruba/Residential/W/book

Werleman-Geerman, Maria A Santa Cruz 310 A


This one just caught my eye..Werleman, Guillermina Monserat 23 586-1949. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2010, 01:52:59 AM
http://s2.arubayp.com/Aruba/Residential/W/book

Werleman-Geerman, Maria A Santa Cruz 310 A


This one just caught my eye..Werleman, Guillermina Monserat 23 586-1949. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

hmmm...interesting!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2010, 01:58:13 AM

Good night Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Northern Rose on August 27, 2010, 03:02:31 AM
Photographer of murderers in the spotlight  (with video)

Identify who took the picture of Joran, "Clown" and "Murderer of the bag" together.
In a statement the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) became known as responsible for taking the picture to "intimate Murderers" at the Castro Castro prison, Manuel Asuncion Portilla, who was the office manager of Identity and Freedom of the detention center.

In addition, it was reported that the worker INPE criminal aliens photographed with a camera of the State, which was assigned to carry out its work. Also found responsible for the technical corrections Loayza Jorge La Torre, who was in charge of the flag of Prevention, for allowing the killers to be photographed, well portrayed by them.

As recalled in the photo smiling Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores, Colombian Alejandro Trujillo Ospina, servant of the corporate Myriam Fefer, and the American William Trickett Smith II, the "murderer of suitcase, "as the murderer accused of his Peruvian wife, Jana Claudia Gomez.

http://trome.pe/noticia/629586/fotografo-asesinos-mira


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 27, 2010, 09:43:47 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/238.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2010, 10:16:08 AM
The Proverbial Dreaded Phone Call

May 30, 2005

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23
:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.


May 30 - 31, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 6:
  On Monday, May 30, Natalee's trip came to an end, and she was due to fly home to Alabama.  But late in the afternoon, I received a call from Matt telling me that Natalee had missed her flight and that Beth was getting on a plane to Aruba.

Page 7:  Beth had flown out of Birmingham on a friend's private jet as soon as she learned that Natalee had missed her flight.  I contacted a commerical airline and booked the next flight out for 5:30 a.m. the following morning.

Later that night, Matt called again to tell me that Natalee's flight had been rebooked, and she would be coming home the next day.  Someone from Delta Airlines had confirmed that a female had called and changed the flight.

I cancelled my flight, but I was still concerned because no one had heard from Natalee.

The next morning, I started making more calls.  I could not reach Beth, and I was unable to get a member of the Aruban police force to talk to me on the phone about Natalee.

By noon I learned that Natalee was not getting on the plane.  I found out that it had been a chaperone from Natalee's group who had changed her flight in the hopes that she would reappear.  It was then that I knew something tragic must have happened.  I feared the worst, but prayed for a miracle.  I hung up the phone and broke down .....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 27, 2010, 10:26:20 AM
TM posted this the other day from a different newspaper.  This one has a different shot of Ronchi and company.

The Aruba Fashion Week Will Break New Ground for the Caribbean/Latin Region Arts & Culture     August 26th, 2010
No comments (RSS 2.0)

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Minister_Oduber_with_from_left_Damalice_Eva_Jerusha_Rasmijn_and_Ronchi-300x168.jpg)
During a press conference at his offices on Tuesday, August 24, Minister of Tourism Otmar Oduber presented the latest groundbreaking event that is hoped to become another annual tradition to enhance the “Aruban Experience.” The government has approved a proposal by resident fashionistas collaborating with IMG, the world’s most diverse media entertainment company, which produces over 20 fashion weeks around the world, to conduct Aruba Fashion Week 2010 during the first week of November.

IMG, which stages the Mercedes Benz Fashion Week, is also one of the largest global cross-media companies, insuring Aruba Fashion Week will be presented well on television, Internet and in thousands of printed publications. This will be their first such production in the Caribbean and Latin region; local producers related that IMG representatives were very excited about the prospect upon scouting the island in May, considering Aruba a “prefect venue” for a distinctive fashion week with a unique character.

Aruba’s organizing team, which presented the project, consists of renowned local designer Ronchi de Cuba, Eva Wever, and Damalice Mansur. The three have many years experience in organi zing spectacular media events, including the annual Aruba Model Search, as well as international connections in the world of fashion.

Aruba Fashion Week will be four solid days of international and local models walking the runway coupled with exciting activities that attract celebrities from around the world. It is expected to be well attended and promoted and covered by global press and Minister Oduber expressed it would attract a prosperous tourist market that loves to shop and will be attracted to the many venues on Aruba offering top designer goods.

The agreement between the Aruba Fashion Week producers and the government, which is financing the project, was signed during the announcement. Aruba Fashion Week 2010 is tentatively scheduled for November 3 to 6.

Story courtesy of The Morning News

http://www.aruba.com/news/arts-culture/the-aruba-fashion-week-will-break-new-ground-for-the-caribbeanlatin-region/#more-4339


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 12:27:18 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/22/peruvian-appeals-panel-considers-joran-van-der-sloots-murder-confession-of-stefany-flores/#comments


14.Steve Holloway on August 23rd, 2010 12:18 pm
Quote
Just stop and think for a minute. Right or wrong the father of Stefany has a lot of pull in his country. (I do not know him so I am just thinking out loud. I am just using logical thinking.) He will pull on the strings that will make this happen if he has too.

An idea that could come from Joran is to plea against the Kalpo brothers for a reduced sentence and possible tell all that happen with Natalee. Of course their would have to be evidence to back this up.

No matter what happens his goose is cooked.

Joran’s life is a prime example of how important it is to raise up our children in the ways of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2010, 01:07:37 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/22/peruvian-appeals-panel-considers-joran-van-der-sloots-murder-confession-of-stefany-flores/#comments


14.Steve Holloway on August 23rd, 2010 12:18 pm
Quote
Just stop and think for a minute. Right or wrong the father of Stefany has a lot of pull in his country. (I do not know him so I am just thinking out loud. I am just using logical thinking.) He will pull on the strings that will make this happen if he has too.

An idea that could come from Joran is to plea against the Kalpo brothers for a reduced sentence and possible tell all that happen with Natalee. Of course their would have to be evidence to back this up.

No matter what happens his goose is cooked.

Joran’s life is a prime example of how important it is to raise up our children in the ways of our Lord Jesus Christ.

GOD BLESS STEVE HOLLOWAY

KEEPTHEFAITH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Steve Holloway does not get it!

From the getgo ... there has been a cover up within the investigation to protect Paulus and Joran ... to prevent justice from prevailing for his precious niece.  There will be no plea bargaining.  Their silence regarding the events that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005 has been bought and paid for.

Janet

+++++++

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 01:35:50 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/22/peruvian-appeals-panel-considers-joran-van-der-sloots-murder-confession-of-stefany-flores/#comments


14.Steve Holloway on August 23rd, 2010 12:18 pm
Quote
Just stop and think for a minute. Right or wrong the father of Stefany has a lot of pull in his country. (I do not know him so I am just thinking out loud. I am just using logical thinking.) He will pull on the strings that will make this happen if he has too.

An idea that could come from Joran is to plea against the Kalpo brothers for a reduced sentence and possible tell all that happen with Natalee. Of course their would have to be evidence to back this up.

No matter what happens his goose is cooked.

Joran’s life is a prime example of how important it is to raise up our children in the ways of our Lord Jesus Christ.

GOD BLESS STEVE HOLLOWAY

KEEPTHEFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2010, 01:53:55 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/08/22/peruvian-appeals-panel-considers-joran-van-der-sloots-murder-confession-of-stefany-flores/#comments


14.Steve Holloway on August 23rd, 2010 12:18 pm
Quote
Just stop and think for a minute. Right or wrong the father of Stefany has a lot of pull in his country. (I do not know him so I am just thinking out loud. I am just using logical thinking.) He will pull on the strings that will make this happen if he has too.

An idea that could come from Joran is to plea against the Kalpo brothers for a reduced sentence and possible tell all that happen with Natalee. Of course their would have to be evidence to back this up.

No matter what happens his goose is cooked.

Joran’s life is a prime example of how important it is to raise up our children in the ways of our Lord Jesus Christ.

GOD BLESS STEVE HOLLOWAY

KEEPTHEFAITH

::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks go out to you TM,as well as all the Monkey's that do work behind the scenes to keep the voices of these two girls ALIVE...Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores deserved better Aruba!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 01:55:13 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 28, 2010, 02:29:54 AM
Amen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 28, 2010, 11:38:25 AM
 ::lookie::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/239.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 02:05:19 PM
I DIDN'T KNOW F------ SURE SHE WAS DEAD!

While justifying why the Hans Mos did not detain Joran van der Sloot following the revealation of the Range Rover confession ... could it be that Peter Devries forgot that according to Joran's own words ... he did not know if Natalee Holloway was dead or alive when he assisted in carrying Natalee Holloway to the boat ... the boat that would be taken out to sea ... the boat from which Natalee would be dumped overboard.

Under Dutch law ... I would assume that dumping a person into the ocean from a boat ... a person who could possibly be alive ... is considered an offense.

Rather than justifying the non-action of the Hans Mos ... in the name of justice for Natalee Holloway ... Peter Devries should have been admonishing.

As always ... IMO.

++++++++

According to Peter Devries

02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)
NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?


If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives.  During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


According to Joran van der Sloots

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem


Patrick: How did you know she was dead?
 
Joran: She didn't move anymore.
 
Patrick: And Daury, did he check?

Joran: Yeah, he stood over her and looked at her.

Patrick: That's it? What if she was in coma?

Joran: Uh...I don't know. I didn't know, she could have been in a coma.  I didn't feel her, but it didn't look good. I didn't know fuckin sure she was dead. Daury looked at her and said she was dead. He just looked at her and said, she's dead.  Could've been a coma.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 02:45:43 PM
I DIDN'T KNOW F------ SURE SHE WAS DEAD! (Continued)

According to Natalee Holloway's Mother

The Complete Interview with Beth Twitty
Thursday 31 January 2008


Peter R. DeVries: “It’s a full confession.”

Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries: “Did you notice how he talked about her?”

Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”

Peter R. DeVries: “Maybe in coma, or…”

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. ...

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77275.php

Original text:

ARUBA
Nieuwe rechters
28 Aug, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Rechter Albert Beukenhorst wordt benoemd tot lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba. Hiertoe heeft de Rijksministerraad vrijdag ingestemd. De benoeming gaat in per 1 oktober van dit jaar.

Beukenhorst is momenteel vicepresident van de rechtbank Amsterdam. Hij was sinds 1985 rechter in die rechtbank en was al eerder, tussen 1991 en 1995, lid van het Gemeenschappelijke Hof. Overigens zijn er ondertussen drie andere rechters vanuit Nederland naar Aruba gehaald ter vervanging van de rechters wiens termijn was verlopen. Deze rechters, waaronder de nieuwe persrechter Hanneke Mol, zullen tijdens een zogeheten installatiezitting in september officieel als rechter aan de slag gaan. Ook de rechtbank in Curaçao is flink versterkt. Naast Beukenhorst zijn nog vijf andere rechters benoemd die de rechterlijke macht aldaar versterken. De installatiezitting voor deze rechters staat op 24 september in Curaçao gepland.

Google translation:

ARUBA

New Judges

August 28, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Judge Albert Beukenhorst is appointed a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. To this end, the State Cabinet approved Friday. The appointment is effective from October 1 this year.

Beukenhorst is currently vice president of the Amsterdam District Court. He was a judge in that court since 1985 and was previously, between 1991 and 1995, member of the Joint Court. Moreover, there are now three other judges from the Netherlands to Aruba to replace the removed judges whose term had expired. These judges, including the new press court Hanneke Mol, will install a so called meeting in September officially start work as a judge. The court in Curacao is considerably strengthened. Beukenhorst next five other judges are appointed to strengthen the judiciary there. The installation for this meeting is on September 24 judges in Curacao planned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77278.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Summary proceedings against Port Authority APA

August 28, 2010, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Port Authority APA must be arriving Monday in court to justify why she is no public tender for a new operator for the container port Barcadera.

The company Barcadera containers stretched the case after APA previously announced to temporarily refrain from a public tender. They will first negotiate with the current of the container port stevedoring, Astec. That news led last week to discontent within the ASF group, especially in MP Andy Lee (ASF). He asked the Commission fixed States Utility Company for an emergency debate in parliament where at least the responsible Minister Mike de Meza (AVP) to give explanations. Lee has particular questions about why APA mind suddenly changed to now only in Astec sea. Indeed, even before it came to an arbitration case between the parties when the contract with the APA steve just wanted to break a public tender for a new operator to do so. Attorney David Kock Barcadera Containers which represents the same questions off. "APA is now 180 degrees. It's the world upside down. With a contract you create is more competitive and can get a better candidate for a better price. "Kock said that the newspapers are filled with messages from the government for public procurement. "It is for new uniforms or computers. But for this case with a huge magnitude is not a public tendering procedure. "The court wants his client therefore transparency and equal treatment, not only for itself but also any other companies interested in the operator shelf, says Kock. The lawsuit will also be clear, says the lawyer, that motive to APA no longer hold tender for a new operator of the container port to Barcadera moves. Minister De Meza did the week after the cessation of APA staff know that the new container port in any case no foreign operator receives.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2010, 07:11:34 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77276.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Inadequate safety procedures cause racing crash

August 28, 2010, 1:56 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The deadly accident on the racetrack Palo Marga last Thursday, the 67-year-old Juan Werleman was killed, was probably due to miscommunication.

How the accident could have happened exactly is still unclear. Organizers of the track to safety procedures on the race track must be taken to keep the light. The police suspect that a flaw in security procedures that the "tragic accident" may have to make.

The race fans in Aruba in shock from the tragic accident at the track Thursday. Werleman was chairman of the racing team Racing The Boss Racing Foundation and Aruba. Last night was the body of the Werleman Imsan Medical Center in San Nicolas to large audiences brought to the funeral home Funeral Aurora. Relatives, friends and fans along with the reason hearse and had their lights switched out of respect for the trip.

Werleman died about half past nine on Thursday from serious injuries he suffered after two racing engines at the end of the track Palo Marga hit him at full speed. One of the engines almost managed to avoid him, but the other collided head-on against him. Werleman was almost killed instantly. Paramedics locally-operated emergency medical aid and ambulance of the Red Cross, as a precaution, matches the clock, brought the victim to the Medical Center in San Nicolas. Here was the doctor is nothing else than death note.

The directors of the race engines, the brothers Weaver, were also injured in the accident and had to be discarded with other ambulances. Michael Weaver suffered minor injuries and was in the Medical Center Imsan his injuries treated. His brother Pierre Angelo Weaver broke his arm and ran other injuries. He was taken to the Horacio Oduber Hospital.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2010, 08:05:07 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-still-waiting-for-appeal-ruling/FTV69Vr1DkSaI5XjJYIKtg.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-still-waiting-for-appeal-ruling/FTV69Vr1DkSaI5XjJYIKtg.cspx)

Van der Sloot still waiting for appeal ruling

Last Update: 6:19 pm


Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot has beaten the system before.  Now he's waiting to see if his murder confession will be thrown out by a three judge panel in Peru.

It's been a busy week for van der Sloot, the Dutch national who has confessed to killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer. News media in Peru had predicted a decision this week but no decision has been announced.

Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Mountain Brook High School grad was on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  He fled to Chile where he was arrested and brought back to Peru where he confessed to killing Flores.

His first attempt to get the confession thrown out was rejected.  His current appeal is to a three judge appellate panel.  His legal team claims the confession was coerced, that van der Sloot was given an adequate translator, and his lawyer during the interrogation misrepresented herself.

The proceedings in his case have been slowed down by his lawyer's claims there is no competent Dutch to Spanish translator available in Peru.

In a bizarre sidenote to van der Sloot's week, Peruvian prison officials are investigating who took a photo of van der Sloot mugging with three other prisoners.  One of them is an accused hitman, another is an American known as the Suitcase Murderer, accused killing his wife, dismembering her body, packing it in a suitcase and tossing it in the ocean.

Peruvian officials have moved the other prisoners in the picture from van der Sloot's cell block in the Castro Castro prison.

And if that's not enough, Peter DeVries, the Dutch TV reporter who has elicited several confessions from van der Sloot, was himself arrested on trespass charges in Perth, Australia where he was chasing another international murder suspect.  DeVries says he's not guilty, posted bond and has left Australia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 08:13:31 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-still-waiting-for-appeal-ruling/FTV69Vr1DkSaI5XjJYIKtg.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-still-waiting-for-appeal-ruling/FTV69Vr1DkSaI5XjJYIKtg.cspx)

Van der Sloot still waiting for appeal ruling

Last Update: 6:19 pm


Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot has beaten the system before.  Now he's waiting to see if his murder confession will be thrown out by a three judge panel in Peru.

It's been a busy week for van der Sloot, the Dutch national who has confessed to killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop computer. News media in Peru had predicted a decision this week but no decision has been announced.

Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Mountain Brook High School grad was on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  He fled to Chile where he was arrested and brought back to Peru where he confessed to killing Flores.

His first attempt to get the confession thrown out was rejected.  His current appeal is to a three judge appellate panel.  His legal team claims the confession was coerced, that van der Sloot was given an adequate translator, and his lawyer during the interrogation misrepresented herself.

The proceedings in his case have been slowed down by his lawyer's claims there is no competent Dutch to Spanish translator available in Peru.

In a bizarre sidenote to van der Sloot's week, Peruvian prison officials are investigating who took a photo of van der Sloot mugging with three other prisoners.  One of them is an accused hitman, another is an American known as the Suitcase Murderer, accused killing his wife, dismembering her body, packing it in a suitcase and tossing it in the ocean.

Peruvian officials have moved the other prisoners in the picture from van der Sloot's cell block in the Castro Castro prison.

And if that's not enough, Peter DeVries, the Dutch TV reporter who has elicited several confessions from van der Sloot, was himself arrested on trespass charges in Perth, Australia where he was chasing another international murder suspect.  DeVries says he's not guilty, posted bond and has left Australia.

Thanks Klaas.

What's the holdup?  I am getting a hinky feeling.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - Former Suspects

It appears that Hans Mos made the decision not to detain Joran van der Sloot in regards to his "confession" captured in the Range Rover recording.  The reason?  Without backup evidence ... Joran has no credibility ... he cannot be believe.

However ... Joran's words in the same Range Rover recording which imply that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had no involvement in the happenings encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway somehow are believed ... are considered credible.

On January 6, 2009 ... Hans Mos referred to the Kalpoe brothers as "previous" suspect in the case.

Justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance!

+++++++

No Credibility

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Credible

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 08:35:09 PM
Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - Former Suspects!  (Continued)

Peter Devries and Hans Mos concur.

+++++++

Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

PETER DEVIRES:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 28, 2010, 09:13:53 PM
A Time Bomb!

The Aruban judges refusal to ruled in favor of the apprehension of Joran van der Sloot based on his words in the Range Rover recording ... words that conceded that a live Natalee Holloway may have been thrown into the ocean ... ultimately led to the death of a young lady named Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez.

Joe Tacopina's arrogance/smugness in regard to Joran not being held accountable by the Aruban Justice System was at the expense of an innocent young lady named Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez.

On February 15, 2008 ... Natalee Holloway's stepfather revealed that knew that it was just a matter of time.

++++++

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER:  ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Natalee Holloway Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Sought in Peru Murder
Dutch National Last to Be Seen with Murdered Woman, on the Lam in South America
June 2, 2010


Joran van der Sloot, the 22-year-old Dutch playboy twice arrested in the mysterious disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, has been named the prime suspect in the death of a young Peruvian woman found dead in a Lima hotel today, five days after she disappeared.

Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez, 21, disappeared Friday and was found dead this morning at the Miraflores Hotel Tac in Lima, Peru. Flores was last seen with van der Sloot, the Dutch national who was twice arrested and released in connection with the disappearance of Holloway , an 18-year-old American student who went missing in Aruba five years ago this week.

Flores was found beaten and stabbed to death in a room booked in van der Sloot's name, according to Dutch media reports.

Authorities believe van der Sloot has fled Peru, passing through customs into Chile, and is on his way to Argentina. Peruvian officials are in the process of putting together an international warrant, Dutch foreign ministry officials told ABC News.

Van Der Sloot reportedly entered Peru on May 14 and left on May 31

Flores left a friend's home Wednesday morning and was last seen that evening leaving a casino with Van der Sloot, according local media quoting to the woman's father, Ricardo Flores, a Peruvian businessman and racecar driver. Surveillance cameras caught the pair leaving the casino together.

Holloway similarly disappeared after being last seen with Van der Sloot outside an Aruban night club on May 30, 2005. Van der Sloot was initially arrested in Holloway's disappearance in June of that year. He was released and arrested again in 2007, when he was detained for questioning but never charged.

In 2008, Dutch journalist Peter de Vries claimed he solved the case when Van der Sloot confessed to an undercover reporter to being with Holloway when she died and dumping her body in the Caribbean Sea.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloot-prime-suspect-natalee-holloway/story?id=10807407



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 12:59:40 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21390-homber-a-bati-su-chick.html

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to beat her chick

sunday, 29 august 2010 00:44

saturday in hour they late at night central owing to risibi info cu have action in parkerlot by the mill. hour cu police owing to arrive at the sitio owing to come take make a note cu mucher sleep ey on floer, owing to ask ambulance come cu urgencia at the sitio, ambulace owing to arrive and cuminsa work on the muher (turista), according info cu the guy by the chick here owing to strike the chick and owing to risibi enough sla at curpa and cara. self hour ambulance owing to transporta the victima before hospital before haja antecion medico. do not conoci if owing to attain he cu owing to strike the tourist.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 01:12:30 AM
http://focalpressphotographycontest.com/

Winners: April 2010
June 24, 2010 | 1 comment


Our apologies to everyone who entered the April contest for the long delay in announcing the winners. Our guest judge, Philip Andrews, has been hard at work on several new books but had still hoped to judge. He didn’t want to make anyone wait any longer, however, so we were lucky to have the Focal Photography Editorial Team step in on his behalf!

First Place: Valentijn  van der Sloot
Title: Lone Walker


Second Place: Popescu Cezar, Romania
Title: Thunder Clouds

Third Place: Donna Marchessault,  South Windsor, Connecticut, USA
Title: Ice Fishing in the Fog

(http://www.focalpress.com/uploadedfiles/Contests/Photography/large_valentijnvanderslootlonewalker.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: cecilita on August 29, 2010, 02:13:58 AM
Hi Monekeys!!!
in one of Mr. Flores interviews, he said that he doesn't have Stephany's belongings?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Jonathan45 on August 29, 2010, 02:47:31 AM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: sharon on August 29, 2010, 08:50:48 AM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Because he's a paid whore to spread their lies????

Am I close???


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!


Justice for Natalee Holloway and Stephany Flores
Peace for their families and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 29, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
 ::HelloKitty::   Hi, sharon.

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/240.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 29, 2010, 11:45:18 AM
 :alien:

Vice President and Nobel Peace Laureate Al Gore to Speak at Green Energy Conference on Aruba
 Happenings     August 27th, 2010
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(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Al-Gore-Picture-300x200.jpg)
Former vice president of the U.S.A. and Nobel Peace laureate Al Gore will be the keynote speaker at the opening of the conference “Our Future with Green Energy” in Aruba on September 29, 2010, the Dutch Caribbean island’s minister of finance, communication, utilities and energy and conference host, Mike de Meza announced Friday.

“We are happy, proud and most honored to be able to announce that Mr. Al Gore, former vice president of the United States of America and Nobel Peace laureate has accepted to be the keynote speaker at our first conference on green energy,” De Meza announced at a press conference. “Vice President Gore is one of the most important driving forces behind the green awareness movement. The wisdom of Mr. Gore’s words will be of great value to our delegates as well,” Minister De Meza added.

Albert Arnold “Al” Gore Jr. (Washington D.C., March 31, 1948) was the 45th Vice President of the United States of America. The Nobel Prize in Peace 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Mr. Gore “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.”

Vice President Gore has been a much requested speaker at international debates and meetings on sustainability since the year 2000. He most passionately expresses his concern for the ecological evolution of our planet and the role of the individual herein. The documentary Mr. Gore and the IPCC produced on global warming won an Oscar at the 75th Academy Awards for Best Documentary on February 25, 2007. This documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” will be shown at various locations on Aruba prior to the Green Aruba 2010 conference.

The Government of Aruba has a very ambitious green agenda. Twenty percent of the energy needed to produce potable water and electricity is already being harvested provided by the island’s first windmill park. Making use of the available sustainable energy sources, namely sun, ocean and wind, the government aims to double this percentage in the coming two years.

From September 29 through October 1, the government of Aruba and the local utilities companies WEB Aruba N.V., N.V. ELMAR and Utilities Aruba N.V. will host the first international conference on green energy for Aruba with as theme “Our Future with Green Energy.” During the conference international experts will present the latest technologies and developments in state of the art alternative, sustainable energy technologies and their practical use in the Caribbean.


At a tradeshow geared towards increasing national and regional awareness on the everyday use of sustainable energy tools in the home and business, on October 1, 2 and 3, the general public is offered the opportunity to get better acquainted with a numerous green technologies.

Information on the conference and tradeshow are available on the website www.greenaruba.org.

http://www.aruba.com/news/happenings/vice-president-and-nobel-peace-laureate-al-gore-to-speak-at-green-energy-conference-on-aruba/#more-4389


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 29, 2010, 01:21:33 PM
Thanks for the article 2nj. I have no comment on it. The duct tape over my mouth is a little tight, but I have no comment.   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 01:38:29 PM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?




Key Witnesses?  I contend it goes beyond "key witnesses".  It is something akin to obstruction of an investigation.

If the Kalpoes talk ... the implications are far reaching.  Not only will they go down ... not only will Joran go down ... so will Paulus, the sons of the elite as well as those within various levels of the Aruban and Dutch administrations who were behind the cover up agenda that has prevented justice.  Deepak and Satish will remain silent.  Their lives depend on it.

There will be no Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway.  In a futile attempt to pacify the family ... Joran may become the sacrificial lamb but that is as far as it will go.  All others will be distanced.

As always ... IMO

++++++

Deepak Knows!

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005


You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 29, 2010, 01:41:34 PM
The "crazed sex poodle" will feel right at home .....    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Ono on August 29, 2010, 01:42:27 PM
Thanks for the article 2nj. I have no comment on it. The duct tape over my mouth is a little tight, but I have no comment.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 01:45:03 PM
The Father was Involved!!

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005


MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him (Deepak).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
Paulus already went down...straight to hell.   ::MonkeyCool::

All the blackmail, bribes, lies, and/or contacts in the world could help him with that Judge.  ::MonkeyGavel::

As always...JMO 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 02:04:20 PM
Thanks for the article 2nj. I have no comment on it. The duct tape over my mouth is a little tight, but I have no comment.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

 
I'm with you on that one CBB...  ::MonkeyDevil:: 

I will say that my first thought when I read about his being the keynote speaker (in Amigoe) was... :smt015  :lol:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 02:07:41 PM
Paulus already went down...straight to hell.   ::MonkeyCool::

All the blackmail, bribes, lies, and/or contacts in the world could help him with that Judge.  ::MonkeyGavel::

As always...JMO 



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Family?  Wouldn't surprise me at all.     ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 02:12:08 PM
Paulus already went down...straight to hell.   ::MonkeyCool::

All the blackmail, bribes, lies, and/or contacts in the world couldn't help him with that Judge.  ::MonkeyGavel::

As always...JMO 



correction in blue...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 02:44:02 PM
If Natalee had been the daughter of the former vice president of the United States ... would he be upholding the Aruban administration in any capacity.  Maybe he would.  His position implies that justice may have prevailed.

Those who defend Joran ... defend Paulus ... defend those who were behind the cover up to prevent justice from prevailing as well as ... those who undermine Beth's determination ... would be on the other side of the fence if Natalee was their daughter.

Julia Renfro ... Think about it.  Think about your precious daughters.  As with Paulus ... the Judge or all judges will not be mocked.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #891 on: March 07, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »


Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously? ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Family?  Wouldn't surprise me at all.     ::MonkeyTongue::


Isn't Sam Redman Jan Brennen's BFF?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 03:48:35 PM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Family?  Wouldn't surprise me at all.     ::MonkeyTongue::


Isn't Sam Redman Jan Brennen's BFF?

Love/hate relationship.  IMO, Sam used her and still is.  He created the program for her online book and she tested it out for him uploading everything for the book.

At one point she hated him, now she's back to loving him  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
:alien:

Vice President and Nobel Peace Laureate Al Gore to Speak at Green Energy Conference on Aruba
 Happenings     August 27th, 2010
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Former vice president of the U.S.A. and Nobel Peace laureate Al Gore will be the keynote speaker at the opening of the conference “Our Future with Green Energy” in Aruba on September 29, 2010, the Dutch Caribbean island’s minister of finance, communication, utilities and energy and conference host, Mike de Meza announced Friday.

“We are happy, proud and most honored to be able to announce that Mr. Al Gore, former vice president of the United States of America and Nobel Peace laureate has accepted to be the keynote speaker at our first conference on green energy,” De Meza announced at a press conference. “Vice President Gore is one of the most important driving forces behind the green awareness movement. The wisdom of Mr. Gore’s words will be of great value to our delegates as well,” Minister De Meza added.

Albert Arnold “Al” Gore Jr. (Washington D.C., March 31, 1948) was the 45th Vice President of the United States of America. The Nobel Prize in Peace 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Mr. Gore “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.”

Vice President Gore has been a much requested speaker at international debates and meetings on sustainability since the year 2000. He most passionately expresses his concern for the ecological evolution of our planet and the role of the individual herein. The documentary Mr. Gore and the IPCC produced on global warming won an Oscar at the 75th Academy Awards for Best Documentary on February 25, 2007. This documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” will be shown at various locations on Aruba prior to the Green Aruba 2010 conference.

The Government of Aruba has a very ambitious green agenda. Twenty percent of the energy needed to produce potable water and electricity is already being harvested provided by the island’s first windmill park. Making use of the available sustainable energy sources, namely sun, ocean and wind, the government aims to double this percentage in the coming two years.

From September 29 through October 1, the government of Aruba and the local utilities companies WEB Aruba N.V., N.V. ELMAR and Utilities Aruba N.V. will host the first international conference on green energy for Aruba with as theme “Our Future with Green Energy.” During the conference international experts will present the latest technologies and developments in state of the art alternative, sustainable energy technologies and their practical use in the Caribbean.


At a tradeshow geared towards increasing national and regional awareness on the everyday use of sustainable energy tools in the home and business, on October 1, 2 and 3, the general public is offered the opportunity to get better acquainted with a numerous green technologies.

Information on the conference and tradeshow are available on the website www.greenaruba.org.

http://www.aruba.com/news/happenings/vice-president-and-nobel-peace-laureate-al-gore-to-speak-at-green-energy-conference-on-aruba/#more-4389


Maybe Al Gore can ask the Aruban government to return Natalee's remains while he is there. ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 29, 2010, 03:51:55 PM
The "crazed sex poodle" will feel right at home .....    ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's really hilarious.  Yes, he should feel right at home on so many levels.  Plenty of other American losers there for company as well.  And he couldn't buy an audience in this country right now so guess it's a perfect hideout for him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
ValentijnVDS and the Kalpoe brothers were and still are the keywitnesses in this case. For me the disappearance of natalee Holloway is a simple case. Only one perpetrator: Joran. The crimescene: Joran's apartment.

Joran and Anita love Sam Redman. How come ?



Family?  Wouldn't surprise me at all.     ::MonkeyTongue::


Isn't Sam Redman Jan Brennen's BFF?

Love/hate relationship.  IMO, Sam used her and still is.  He created the program for her online book and she tested it out for him uploading everything for the book.

At one point she hated him, now she's back to loving him  ::MonkeyCool::


I knew there was a big ole crush mixed in there somewhere. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 03:54:11 PM
O/T - Jan Brennan and Sam Redman's most current collaberation:

http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/

http://honeytoasted.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Anna on August 29, 2010, 03:55:48 PM
Jan Brennen has a BF?  ::MonkeyShocked::  


Have to wonder what is wrong with such a person, lol.  Srsly.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 04:00:16 PM
O/T - Jan Brennan and Sam Redman's most current collaberation:

http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/02/10/wayne-bent-trial-transcripts-emerging-online/

http://honeytoasted.com/



I think Jan Brennen is so hungry for attention that she will jump on the bandwagon with anyone
that will give her the time of day.  That includes Anita, Julia Renfro, and Sam Redman. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 04:43:46 PM
Every time I see this photo of Jan Brennan I wonder if she needs her eyes checked.   ::MonkeyCool::  FTLOG why not take a new decent photo if you are going to have it displayed on your online book page etc?  Now I see why she uses her dog for her facebook photo  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/RedmanBrennan.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 04:45:19 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to Natalee #845


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