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He truly is an adorable child.

Yes, where is Kyron?

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Have a good Sunday all!

Janet

Indeed he is (was) ........now where is he?

Hi OS

I do not think the reward will have to be increased.  No visions ... No ESP ... just a compilation of clues ... a compilation of the recent happenings  convinces this wannabe detective that the truth encompassing the disappearance of Kyron is about to be revealed.

Janet

Welcome Sassifrass's and Terri and all the other new monkeys!!!!

The last thread locked before I could post to Sassifrass's comment.  I don't know how to bring it over but the storage shed garage thingy sounds creepy to me.  Is it possible that Kyron could be in a mini storage locker somewhere?  None have been searched to my knowledge.

I'll go see if I can find it..... hang on


well.....I do not see what you are talking about. Perhaps someone can post it?

What a cute kid! Just precious!

 ::CowboySmiley::

The grapevine is chatting about Comments by insintel



http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/v3nus/comments.html.


Deedle - Keep your mouth shuuuuuuuuuut! Hold out just a little while longer. (comment by Insintel)

Posted on Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher on July 22, 2010, 9:11PM

HEY CUBBEeeeeeeeeeeeee yup!

Is this what you wanted brought over??

Thanks NUT (I was outside goofing off)  ::MonkeyCool::

Welcome new members!

I think so too, I would just like to hear it mentioned by DY and KH.

I do wonder IF TH is involved, maybe TH had Dede come to the gym so TH could say Dede saw me at the gym. Maybe Dede is just a friend and doesn't know anything about what happened to Kyron. dunno.

I am still sitting at the school waiting for LE to give some facts to do by. So far NOTHING imo.

OS

From the previous thread:

I don't read over there, but did notice on InSessions chatter about what this Insintel was all saying  ::MonkeyShocked::

sassifrass
Scared Monkey

Posts: 1


   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #9 7/23/10 - 7/25/10
« Reply #966 on: July 25, 2010, 01:43:21 PM » 

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Hi guys! 1st post here!

There have been a few things on Dede's twitter page that I thought were odd. Notice the times and dates also:

"To surrender now is to pay the expensive ogre twice." - Dylan Thomas 10:59 AM Jun 22nd via txt (Like she's sending her a message)

# Boy + Water + Dirt = Heaven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMSNyGr_Ce8 Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:49:48 PM via web (That isn't even the name of the video)

@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho! 5:27 PM Jun 4th via web in reply to dedejustdede (She is replying to herself)What do you guys think?

I hope I am doing this right..  the statement above sounds creepy to me.  If someone is moving they could have rented a storage locker somewhere and possibly allowing a friend to put some things there in order to not raise the suspicions of her husband if she was thinking that he may file for a divorce.  I'm not accusing anyone just saying that if there are mni storage lockers involved it wouldn't take long to put Kyron in one.  Have any been searched?  Sassifrass posted this comment right after I got on this train of thought and that's why it sounded so crepy because I had just started thinking about this.

Thanks Nut for looking for me I hope this works.

Hey Nut! I am so very tired of all these innocent kids going missing..... ::HelloKitty::

Sassifrass - I don't see any posts like this on DeDe's twitter?  Could she have deleted?  Do I need to look elsewhere?

https://twitter.com/dedejustdede

Thanks Klaas this is the one of was talking about.  I copied it to bring it over but I didn't do it right maybe some one can fix it. 

Hi sassifrass, and welcome!   ::HelloKitty::

Welcome to all the new Monkeys!

4getunot.....did you hear that about the body in the blanket last night????  I tried to go to the archives to find it but you have to pay to get it. $15.00 bucks is the cheapest subscription they have. Not gonna pay it.

No I didn't hear it myself I saw it being discussed here and went to listen and never heard it mentioned again.

Those two statements that DeDe made could be completely innocent. I'm not standing up for her in the least, but sometimes a quote is just a quote that someone likes, my daughter does that all the time on her FB. The other statement could mean something or be innocent since she does gardening.

sassifrass said:

First off, I'd like to welcome you to the cage, sassifrass!

    (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/art/welcome13.gif)

I don't think Dede's tweets are code talk, personally. People often tweet a favorite quote, and that may be one she had just discovered. Sometimes a quote is just a quote, IMO.

About the dirt and boy thing ... I believe she has a nephew or male relative who is young and she has mentioned him. She also likes dirt, being very interested in composting and gardening. I think ALL boys love dirt and water to play in.

Even Kaine mentions dirt as something Kyron love to play with:

Favorite Toys:
• Cars / hot wheels
• Legos
• Dirt / his sandbox
http://bringkyronhome.org/kyron_hormans_bio.html

Anyway, my point is that I personally don't see her posts as clues/cryptic messages. But I understand those who might.

Glad to have you posting with us, sassifrass!

Posted by cousin Tom over at the GLP website:

[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1048194]
You are right about staying out of this, if I were an attention whore, I would have went straight to the tv station.
I have been GLP n for seven months and really didn't quite get how hooked up this place is.
The public opinion of Dede is being fuled by the Horman family and the press, if I were in any way at all even close to the case the Feds would have done been here, and they would be now after this.
I'm not close to Dede, but our  relationship was positive.
I talk to her brother on a weekly basis so this is VERY close and personal to me, I took the shills, trolls and the type to heart this time, I coulnt help it.
I don't regret tell this to GLP, that is what this place is about, if you can't get that, why are you here?
The press called me, a mail order detective could have found me, I had nothing to hide so I'm not worried or scared of shit, trust me, trinity has me convinced we need to be ready for something BIG. And I am.
I was really aware of Kyrons disappearance from dayone, I felt really creepy to hear my boys name on the raido, and live here, and have school age kids, basically just being human.
Then all of a sudden this, I want my cousin to be innocent, I want Kyron to come home. I want my family to go back to normal. Well normal for us anyway.
There are wanted posters of her now all over the net, I totally understand the Hormans rage also. They are in the right, there should be no secerets and to not cooperate only projects guilt. But what if she is just like us and does not trust the Feds? Doesn't trust the local police? Thinks she is in a perfect position to become a Patsy?
You would be a fool not to lawyer up instantly, and if your dad was working in the sheriffs office would you not call him?
Everything said about Dedes involvment in this can be read into in any arguement of guilt or not guilty. There are alot of folks crying foul on the witch hunt also.
I don't want to be on tv, they want the whole family to talk like a group interview, on how we are doing and to give a look at Dede spicher that no one has heard. Only bad has been really spread out.
My family found out with the rest of the world about this and we don't know what to do. I was just trying to get a bigger view and a wide perspective on the situation by posting. I got it
thank you all for the support and the abuse. It all has helped.
No more from me on the subject.
[/quote]

Are GJ proceedings always kept from the media or ... are are the proceedings which are currently happening in regards to the Kyron Horman case just an another example of the silence which has been forthcoming from LE since the getgo.

Janet

Thanks, I am the one that posted it, but never heard anymore. So I guess it was nothing.

There was a 5yr old child that drowned last night.  They were performing CPR on him then brought in life flight.  I'm wondering if what you heard may have had something to do with him? 

Please could someone tell me who "Trinity" is?   Some BIG? 

I'm not going to evesdrop   ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am getting more puzzled with the comments. 
I will see what happens (if anything) this week.  I do wish Cousin Tom would tell us who Trinity is and what is "Big".

Not sure but I am guessing that TRINITY is the Admin of the GLP website:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/members/details.php?member=1

I believe Trinity is a member over at that site ... GLP or whatever it's called.

IMO - As for the insideintel poster ... after just reading all his/her posts ... I call BS.  The early posts sound just like anyone else reading the case.  Then a post about 'wonder how often DY saw Kyron?' ... then a few days later starts coming up with matter of factly stating 'DY saw Kyron only 3 or 4 weekends in the last 3 years' ... Just sounds to me like someone who wants so badly to be noticed that they've starting making stuff up so people think they are an "insider" ... I'm not buying it.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.kptv.com/news/24386190/detail.html
       
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Child Drowns At Rooster Rock Park

POSTED: 9:24 am PDT July 25, 2010

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PORTLAND, Ore. -- A 5-year-old child drowned in the Columbia River at Rooster Rock State Park on Saturday.

Emergency crews were called to the park at 4:37 p.m. Early reports from emergency dispatchers said the child was out of the water, but unresponsive.

A state medical examiner would not release the boy's name on Sunday morning.

Multnomah County deputies haven't released further information. They said authorities responded to several water-related emergencies on Saturday and three of their calls resulted in drownings.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24386190/detail.html   ::MonkeyAngel::

...and I call BS on the "sis" posting over there. Either she is not Tom's sis, or she is deliberately lying or misleading. I caught her in a few "mistruths."

But I think Tom posting over there probably is the cousin of Dede as he claims.

*sigh*

Yeppers!  Add the following to the list of 'weird' that *could be* some kind of message being sent.  This tweet is sent from someone who only has 5 tweets, two are quotes sent in reply to Dede, two are repeat tweets to Dede, and a initial tweet to Dede, that's all.  All on the same day and nothing since. 

Seems like messages of sort to me.  Especially when one considers that other tweet sent by DeDe regarding "heat may be on".  Have included that below these tweets.

from twitter...
'melons 122' to Dede:

@dedejustdede one of my favorites is "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." -Abraham Lincoln     
2:01 PM Jul 23rd  via web  in reply to dedejustdede

@dedejustdede another is When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan ~just some things to think about
2:06 PM Jul 23rd  via web  in reply to dedejustdede

Brittany Moug   (melons 122)
http://twitter.com/melons122 (http://twitter.com/melons122)

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from twitter:
tweet from dedejustdede (to all friends on list)

Heads up PDX peeps: the Red Robin in Wilsonville has no A/C. I think their heat may be on.    
9:07 PM Jul 9th  via txt 

http://twitter.com/dedejustdede (http://twitter.com/dedejustdede)

Religious...God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Ghost

That's correct, Klaas!  I think Trinity became Admin. right after the tsunami in Thailand.

Sorry, after re-reading, I may be wrong about the "sis."

Scroll on by this post. LOL

NewFie,

How is your Newfounder?  Puppy?

Thank-you, Newfie for your down to earth comments.  Trinity must be drumming up the drama  ::MonkeyHaHa:: to the already
drummed up Cousin.  Something Big? It would be big, if Kyron came home, but anything else is just news.

I agree, now I think about the poster,poor soul, needs to give advice to DeDe.  ::piggy::

NOTHING!!

 ::MonkeyMad::

At this stage of the Caylee Marie Anthony investigation ... 911 audio and transcripts had been released ... witness audio and transcripts had been released ... press conferences that informed had been called ...

Janet

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Sheriff's Office Releases Q&A About Kyron Case
POSTED: 3:46 pm PDT July 23, 2010

On Friday, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office released a document answering questions submitted by reporters earlier this week.

Spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said there were "numerous questions that could not be answered based upon this being an ongoing investigation."

The Q&A is below:

1. How many tips have come in so far?

Sheriff's Office: As of this date we can account for approximately 3300 leads which have been developed from the thousands of tips that have been received. Continuous information comes in on a daily basis which prevents our ability to give you an actual count at this time. All tips pass through the hands of a detective and are reviewed, prioritized and assigned for follow up. Some tips are duplicates and confirmed as such.


2. When was the last time Terri Horman met with police?

Sheriff's Office: We have not spoken with her since she retained counsel.


3. Terri Horman is now living in Roseburg. Will that make it more difficult for police to get her if something is discovered at the last minute?

Sheriff's Office: Terri’s moving to Roseburg has not affected our investigation, nor has it hindered our ability to contact her.


4. Has anyone been ruled out in Kyron’s disappearance? Who?

Sheriff's Office: A number of people have been ruled out; we are unable to discuss the specifics of these individuals.


5. Video has been requested from local businesses as well as from members of the media – Has any footage been recovered and if so did it yield anything that will be helpful to the case?

Sheriff's Office: We have recovered many photos and video footage. We will not be able to comment on their evidentiary value. We continue to ask individuals in possession of photos and video surrounding the Skyline Grade School event on June 4, 2010 to provide that to investigators. We continue to ask the media for their assistance and support in this investigation. The photos and videos that have been provided by the media have helped further the investigation process.


6. Has the truck been returned to the Horman’s?

Sheriff's Office: Kaine Horman is in possession of his truck.


7. Weeks ago you said Terri Horman has been cooperating - is that still true? Kaine and Desiree have said otherwise.

Sheriff's Office: During this investigation Terri Horman has been cooperative and there have been other times she has not. We cannot speak to specifics regarding this issue.


8. Are you still conducting active searches for Kyron?

Sheriff's Office: Each viable tip is actively pursued. If the tip lends itself to an area to be searched, we will employ those resources.


9. How many investigators are still dedicated to this case and what are they doing on a daily basis?

Sheriff's Office: A significant investigative team composed of DA Office, East County Major Crime’s Team and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case. The numbers varies daily, based on investigative needs.


10. Are tips still coming in?

Sheriff's Office: Yes


11. Why has the sheriff’s department pulled back so drastically from talking to the media/public about this case?

Sheriff's Office: This is an ongoing criminal investigation, our responsibility is to resolve this case and bring Kyron home. We are not going to release details of our efforts that will breach the integrity of this investigation or potential prosecution at a later date. If we have information that would benefit our investigation, or help in finding Kyron we will release it.


12. Are you any closer to cracking this case than you were 2 weeks ago or even 4 weeks ago?

Sheriff's Office: We continue to make significant progress but we are not able to provide details.


13. Have you used the assistance of psychics in the investigation?

Sheriff's Office: We have not solicited the help of psychics.


14. Do you have any information leading you to believe Kyron is alive?

Sheriff's Office: We are continuing to hope Kyron is alive and will proceed under that premise.


15. While you have said this is a criminal investigation, do you believe a crime was committed in Kyron’s disappearance?

Sheriff's Office: Criminal behavior has occurred and we will continue to investigate toward a resolution.


16. Kyron's disappearance the largest search in state history?

Sheriff's Office: Yes this is true.


17. Is the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office still the lead agency investigating this case?

Sheriff's Office: Yes


18. Are tips coming from other parts of the country?

Sheriff's Office: Yes


19. From other countries?

Sheriff's Office: Yes


20. How many people are working on the investigation now? At what point do you scale back the investigation?

Sheriff's Office: We examine resources each week and make an assessment as to what we will need on a weekly basis. We are fortunate to have the number and caliber of investigators dedicated to this investigation.


21. Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?

Sheriff's Office: Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police. This list does not include search and rescue resources.


22. How many other children are considered missing/endangered in Multnomah County at this time aside from Kyron?

Sheriff's Office: There are no other cases that meet this criteria.


23. Of what value is a polygraph test to investigators, if the results are not admissible in a prosecution?

Sheriff's Office: It is an investigative tool.


24. Why are you taking questions via email?

Sheriff's Office: This is the most time efficient and cost effective way to provide information to the numerous and various types of media.


25. You have never done this before, why now and why this case?

Sheriff's Office: This is a very large case with enormous media and public interest. This is the most efficient way to address many questions from numerous media outlets. This is a large case and has attracted a lot of media attention and public interest.


26. Is there an active search every day? Or just responding to tips?

Sheriff's Office: Searches occur when necessary. We are responding to tips on a daily basis. If that tip warrants a physical search of an area, that is handled accordingly.


27. Give us an idea of man hours on this and what kind of staffing from your office and other offices.

Sheriff's Office: This is a full time investigation. Resources have been allocated from our office and other agencies to effectively investigate this case. There have also been resources allocated to address the day to day operations for each agency.


28. Has the media attention helped or hurt the case?

Sheriff's Office: The media attention has helped to keep Kyron in the public’s eyes and minds.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24374478/detail.html

GOD HIMSELF!!

::MonkeyHaHa::  It's okay Brandi ~ I can't get in over there anymore ... tells me my IP has been banned.  So you monkeys just keep posting over here so I know what's going on!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thank-you 4 Donks.  Trinity is also a pretty name, different for a poster. 

OT-I read Kyron's name is Greek. :smt109

Meaning of "Kyron"

Greek name

In Greek, the name Kyron means- lord, sir, master. The name Kyron orginated as an Greek name. The name Kyron is most often used as a boy name or male name.

Greek Name Meaning - lord, sir, master

Origin - Greece

Source

http://www.meaning-of-names.com/greek-names/kyron.asp

Welcome, sassifrass!  I can't find where DeDe posted that video of the boy and water on her twitter page.

That one definitely sounds like code about where Kyron is!  Maybe it's innocent, but the timing is very disturbing.  June 5, boy+water+dirt=heaven!!!

I read a post where people were talking about the muddy sludge in the river.  I can't remember where it was.

Hi sea!  Marley is fine ~ we've both just been laying on the A/C registers the past few days!  OMG is it hot! 

I hope the GJ convening this week is true.  I'd feel like maybe we were getting closer to getting Kyron home ..

Janet - we got more information in the Caylee Anthony case because of Florida sunshine laws.

heh ... thanks ;-)

Banning your IP?! I say not a very "godlike" thing to do!

In fact, most of the posts I have read there are as far from "godlike" as I imagine.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

HeHe....they definitely practice freedom of speech over there, huh?

Brandi   ::MonkeyDevil::

Claycat and Klaas, Thank-you.

The Cousin said Trinity said to get ready for something Big? This gives a little credibility if Trinity is an Admin. hymm.

 I hate being up in the air or Limbo, so I am not going to think about this until tomorrow. ::MonkeyEek::

They need to wash their mouths out with a cake of soap.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Kyron Horman latest news: Jaymie Finster speaks about her friend, stepmom Terri Horman (see video)
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-hormans-stepmother-polygraph-10963186




 

I didn't see the post ~ but I bet the admin was probably trying to impress upon Tom that his posts were going viral ... and to be ready for media & maybe LE to start burning up his phone lines (the something Big)? 

I think this is the reason why people think LE has no evidence.  Because we are not getting all the information in a timely manner like the Caylee Anthony case.

Afternoon, everyone!  Popping in quickly, reading Valhall here http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/24/kyron-horman-case-initial-timeline-for-june-4th/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/24/kyron-horman-case-initial-timeline-for-june-4th/).  At the 1:45 according to Kaine Horman post, I just realized two things.  Yes, sometimes I'm a little slow, so please bear with me.  One: Terri had to leave the project to authenticate the kidnapped from school scenario. More importantly though, she did not stay to pick up the project at the end of the event and she did not tell Kaine that she needed to go get the project at any point that afternoon (as in, "Oh, no!  I forgot to bring Kyron's project home!  I'll/We'll have to go pick it up.  Well, why don't we just go pick up Kyron and the project, and then go get ice cream?").  Instead, she allowed Kaine to think she'd picked up the project already.  Instead of outwardly lying that sh'ed picked up the project (hence she needed the truck), she simply didn't tell him (a.k.a. "the sin of omission").  Terri needed Kaine to think Kyron would be coming home on the bus because she already knew Kryon would not waiting at the school to go for ice cream.   :smt092

Thinking here, Kyron may not have been in the cab of the truck, but rather in the bed of the truck when Terri left Skyline (or at some stop further on) because "Chas" (who reported seeing Terri turn onto Hwy 30 and head south about 9:45 a.m.) would have likely remembered seeing a child in the truck at that time of the day, wondering why they weren't in school.  This I know because I know several homeschooling families and people often ask their children, "Why aren't you in school today?" and eye the parents suspiciously.   ::MonkeyWink::
Also find it slightly odd, "Chas" wouldn't have mentioned seeing a toddler in a car seat either.  Obviously he noticed to truck enough that he purposed to get a glimpse of the truck as he came along side her. If he was looking because she pulled out somewhat recklessly, he'd have noted Kiara in the back.   ::MonkeyMad::  If he was looking because of the red-hair, he'd have noted Kiara in the back.  If he was looking because a "girl" was driving such a nice-looking truck, he'd have noted Kiara in the back.   ::MonkeyWink:: See what I mean?  Wonder why he noticed.  If Terri was working in a time frame to get the job done and establish an alibi, she may have been driving a tad erratically/fast/recklessly.  Just saying.  I'd be surprised if she had Kiara with her that morning.  If she took Kiara to school, I'd bet she left her sleeping in the car seat (maybe with a little medicinal help-otherwise she wouldn't be able to guarantee Kiara's safety and her cooperation from a noise level perspective).  Clearly, she didn't take Kiara into the school because the staff, the students, and other parents would have noticed, remembered, and reported Kiara being very fussy (per Terri's claim that Kiara had an earache and Terri drove around aimlessly to soothe her afterwards).  **Note: The first time I broached this, some posters responded that it was illegal, as if that alone would prevent Terri from doing it.  Yes, leaving a small child alone in a car is irresponsible and in most states illegal (as it should be)...so is attempting to hire someone to kill your spouse, but apparently that didn't stop Terri either.  So, who had Kiara?
Duly noting, these are my own opinions.  Catch you all later.

It's very hard to get banned over there, NewfieMonkey!  However, I've seen people get caught in the crossfire of someone who was banned.  Several IPs in the area got caught up in it.  You'll probably be back in soon.  About the only thing someone can get banned for is a threat. 

 ::MonkeyDogWalk3:: Hi Newfie, (O.T.)

 A neighbor of mine puts cold water on her dog's head, she said it cools off the dog.  I guess it could also sunburn the dog?

Black dogs absorb the sun more than white dogs, did you know that? 

<bolded by me> 

Re: the bolded part..

No, she isn't replying to herself, that's a reply tweet sent to DeDe from someone else.  Have been looking around to see who tweeted that to her, have only found so far that it was not sent by Heather Walters (Rosemont_Farm).  Still checking. 

Cuz that *could be* a message of sorts, seeing as how it was sent on June 4th, in reply to DeDe.  But then again, lol, may be nothing at all. 

 :smt059  Amen.

Thanks Klaas

I am so frustrated with this case ... with the lack of infomation forthcoming from LE.  Hey ... my frustration could be all about a pity party in regards to an abscessed tooth.

With some reservation ... I do trust what we hear from Kaine and Desiree but ... I am also a believer that even that message is controlled to avoid hidden skeletons from being revealed ... hidden skeletons that could have a connection to what ultimately happened to Kyron.  I am referring to an explanation ... not a justification.

LE came out the other day and ... distanced themselves from what Kaine and Desiree were claiming in their statements ... in their interviews.

Janet

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MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE JULY 8, 2010 YOUNG/HORMAN PRESS CONFERENCES
Posted: July 8th, 2010 6:48 PM

There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences.   The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.  This is an ongoing investigation. ....

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

Admin of that site.   ::dogwag::

Wow, Wyks, you have your thinking cap on!  ::MonkeyDance::

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I know he ain;t referring to Patsy Ransey bc cancer or not - that family was whacko & I'm of the opinion Patsy AND John were guilty...of a coverup... OMG, why the comparison to Patsy? Does he honestly think Patsy was wrongly accused or implicated? OMG... Well, I don't usually express my opinion to the strongest intent like here, but seriously, wow. Heck, maybe I misinterpretted his post. It does sorta look like he did an about face with his posting technique. In his prior posts, it appears as though the comments were more on the negative side, like she got whatever she wanted, everything was her way, something to that effect. He didn't say anything bad, just sort of disparaging. I really hope he joins Scared Monkeys so he can lend his perspective here. I agree with Tom's advice about a lawyer. While I do believe if you know something regarding a crime, then you should tell the proper people without haste, however having a lawyer would be so much better for her considering she  could have shared electronic transmissions with Terri, etc. A lawyer would be able to see the direction the investigators are going with their questions, so a lawyer could help her word her answers to be precise, concise, no ifs ands or buts, etc. A lawyer could keep the police questioning withing the law...instead of walking the tightrope & possible entrapment...

Having said that, is there anything bad on the Portland Police Dept? What about MCSO? Why wouldn't DeDe just be able to open up, especially knowing her father is a sheriff of some sort? It just seems kinda odd...but I do agree with the lawyering up...

::MonkeyHaHa:: Leave it to me!
JK ... No, I hadn't signed up or registered or whatever ...  I just clicked on the link and the first few times it let me in to read ... after 3 or 4 times of going there - it started giving me the "Your IP has been banned.  Quit stalking" message!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  If I didn't have such great self esteem I'd have been a little hurt!   ::MonkeyWink::

Janet  - I am frustrated too considering Kyron is still missing and if alive probably scared to death.

I'm hoping there is action tomorrow and also that the press conference on Tuesday answers some of our questions.  Hopefully by then your tooth will be better too  ::MonkeyAngel::

I vote for nothing at all.

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Geez!  Those people at GLP are paranoid!

Typos & an extra quote...gosh...

Yeah but no offence to Sassifrass - I'm not finding any tweet like that on DeDe's twitter page and the only reference to it was posted over at the Psychic for Missing Persons forum also by Sassi. 
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=4510 (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=4510)

So color me skeptical unless I can see the tweet in person  ::MonkeyCool::

lol, thanks seahorse!.. I have spent too much time in twitter, it becomes addictive after awhile.   ::MonkeyWink::

sea ... Yep ~ we actually had a heat stroke incident two years ago.  Scariest thing I've every experienced with either my two legged or four legged baby!

Titch ~ I took it to mean patsy ... as in goat ... fall guy ...

@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho! 5:27 PM Jun 4th via web in reply to dedejustdede               Whether this is DeDe's tweet or not, it probably is referring to a garden tool, or dirt or anything to do with garden/lawn care. I can't imagine that she is talking about evidence or something to do with Kyron, imo. But I suppose who knows, but would be awfully stupid to tweet that.

I agree. The newer the post, the more she tried to sound like she had inside knowledge.

Am not finding any other reference to it either, Klaas.  Am guessing it *could be* a deleted tweet. 

As for the video, not so worried about that meaning anything other than someone's cute lil boy playing in the mud, which to many boys is heaven.  Not finding that showing up as a tweet anywhere, nor any other mention of it.

One reason I like to track down tweets is to read the context of the tweets surrounding it, like the back n forth replies.  Gives better meaning to the tweet.  So much can be taken wrong just by itself. 

 ::dogwag::

 

Thank-you, You are most likely right. I don't post there or anywhere, except here.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I need a little fun, life is too short without it, it is fun and serious here, the other site scare me.  ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::puppy::
Here it is what cousin Tom wrote, geez, I'm sorry IDK who originally posted this maybe Klaas?

Posted by cousin Tom over at the GLP website:

[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1048194]
You are right about staying out of this, if I were an attention whore, I would have went straight to the tv station.
I have been GLP n for seven months and really didn't quite get how hooked up this place is.

The public opinion of Dede is being fuled by the Horman family and the press, if I were in any way at all even close to the case the Feds would have done been here, and they would be now after this.

I'm not close to Dede, but our  relationship was positive.

I talk to her brother on a weekly basis so this is VERY close and personal to me, I took the shills, trolls and the type to heart this time, I coulnt help it.

I don't regret tell this to GLP, that is what this place is about, if you can't get that, why are you here?

The press called me, a mail order detective could have found me, I had nothing to hide so I'm not worried or scared of shit, trust me, trinity has me convinced we need to be ready for something BIG. And I am.

I was really aware of Kyrons disappearance from dayone, I felt really creepy to hear my boys name on the raido, and live here, and have school age kids, basically just being human.

Then all of a sudden this, I want my cousin to be innocent, I want Kyron to come home. I want my family to go back to normal. Well normal for us anyway.

There are wanted posters of her now all over the net, I totally understand the Hormans rage also. They are in the right, there should be no secerets and to not cooperate only projects guilt. But what if she is just like us and does not trust the Feds? Doesn't trust the local police? [b/Thinks she is in a perfect position to become a Patsy?[/b]

You would be a fool not to lawyer up instantly, and if your dad was working in the sheriffs office would you not call him?
Everything said about Dedes involvment in this can be read into in any arguement of guilt or not guilty. There are alot of folks crying foul on the witch hunt also.

I don't want to be on tv, they want the whole family to talk like a group interview, on how we are doing and to give a look at Dede spicher that no one has heard. Only bad has been really spread out.

My family found out with the rest of the world about this and we don't know what to do. I was just trying to get a bigger view and a wide perspective on the situation by posting. I got it thank you all for the support and the abuse. It all has helped.
No more from me on the subject.

Thanks.

Following a sleepless night ... I woke my dentist up when I phoned him first thing this morning.  He called in a prescription for antibiotics and ... hubby was waiting at the counter at Walmart prior to the druggist arriving.  The antibiotics and painkillers are beginning to their jobs.  I have a dentist appointment at 10:00 AM tomorrow morning.  I think another root canal is where it is at.  Getting old sucks!

Janet

Terri Horman's friend condemns rumors

by Randy Neves

Posted on June 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Updated Tuesday, Jul 6 at 12:40 PM
Related:
Terri Horman hires well-known attorney
http://www.kgw.com/news/Close-friend-of-Horman-condemns-Internet-rumors-96764789.html

HILLSBORO, Ore. -- The extra scrutiny on Terri Horman was taking an emotional toll, according to a close friend.

"I want people to know that she's a good person she's a devoted mother," said Jaymie Finster. "She's been in Kyron's life since he was three-days old."

Finster has been a close friend of Horman's since the two attended junior high school together in Roseburg.

She said the quality of attention Terri was getting from the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron, was unfair and damaging.

"I think a lot of people just want to go with the information that we don't have and try to make something of it and that's very hurtful and hard for me to see happening," she said.

With Horman's blessing, Finster was telling the public how emotionally harmful the Internet remarks have been; such as the person who commented, "It seems like a slam dunk that the stepmother is ... guilty."

Some comments online included the speculation that Horman was suffering from a "postpartum breakdown."

"I would really like to see the Internet blogging be decreased," said Finster.  She added that there was much yet to learn in the investigation and to imply that a second lie-detector test on Horman was a sign of guilt was unfair to a woman who played such an important role raising Kyron.

Finster said she hopes the public won't overreact in its need for answers in this case.

"Just to take some little bits of information and then fly with it is really hurtful and, you know, it's been really hard for her to see that happening," Finster said.

Finster said she had not spoken with Horman on Sunday and she did not know how the second polygraph test went for her.

Oh no...poor baby....I don't think that was it last night Klaas....it was a lot later and it had Skyline in the address. I guess it turned out not to be anything, so I am not going to worry about it. They had so much going on it was hard to keep up with it. I can imagine a lot of folks are in the water if the temps out there are anything close to ours. It is 105 under my carport in the shade and not one leaf moving.

OT ... but a big AMEN SISTER!  (although as they say ~ it beats the alternative!)
Feel better Janet! 

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/little-red-scissors.gif)
Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend, said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting."

After taking one polygraph test, Finster said, Horman is taking another one Saturday and "she's not very happy about it." Finster has known Horman since they went to junior high in Roseburg and worked together in the Hillsboro School District, where Finster is a special ed teacher. She said Horman and her husband, Kaine, are exhausted as the investigation drags on.

Friday, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office held a press conference to release the flier with Horman's face on it and to dispel online rumors that the second-grader had been found.


Capt. Jason Gates would not say whether Terri Moulton Horman is a suspect in the second-grader's June 4 disappearance from Skyline School.

"Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared," Gates said. "We are releasing this information at this time in hope that it helps jog people's memory of that day."

Horman told Finster, "I just don't know what's going on. This is what I did that day."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LaLmADK7J3EJ:www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/little-red-scissors.gif)I love this snip

I tried going through cache & couldn;t find it either. Maybe I'm overlooking it or maybe it's just not there. Sometimes people are able to include things in a quote to make it appear that somebody said a "certain thing". Not saying that's the case, but I just couldn;t find it...yet... Maybe she deleted it? Shouldn;t cache be able to pick that up anyway?

You're welcome.

Saw this on JQ & thought I'd share...pretty amazing the comparison. Long but afraid to leave anything out bc the comparison...the circumstances...just wow!

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html

December 12, 1994 Vol. 42No. 24
The Stepmother Murder
By Bill Hewitt
A Young Wife Eliminates a Rival for Her Husband's Affections—His Son

ON THE MORNING BEFORE Thanksgiving 1992, 10-year-old Scotty Baker was summoned to the office at Paces Creek Elementary School in the poor, onetime mining town of Manchester, Ky. There school secretary Charlotte Smith told the fifth-grader that a woman had just come to fetch him. Scotty hesitated for an instant, not recognizing the woman, but he responded happily when she gently told him she was taking him to see his father. Moments later they walked out to the parking lot together and got into the woman's Buick Skyhawk. What Scotty didn't know was that, crouched in the backseat, covered by sheets, was his father's second wife, Stephanie Baker, then 22.

Minutes later Scotty Baker was dead, strangled by his own stepmother. In October, as Stephanie Baker was sentenced to life in prison for his murder, the people of Manchester (pop. 1,634) could only wonder at her brutality—and her motive. Baker, who just nine months before the murder had married Scotty's father, Donnie, 35, apparently killed the boy out of jealousy. "She wanted 100 percent of Donnie's attention," says state police detective Larry Lewis. "She didn't want anyone else in the picture. She wanted Donnie all to herself."

Those who thought they knew Baker had seen no hint of such deadly potential. She grew up in London, Ky., about 25 miles west of Manchester. There she sang in the choir at the Community Christian Church and spent two years at nearby Sue Bennett College, where she studied psychology. She had met truck driver Donnie Baker in August 1991. Divorced three years from his ex-wife Ruth, 38, Donnie shared custody of 9-year-old Scotty. Meeting Stephanie, he was smitten. "She was real sweet, real pretty, went to church," he says. "She just about blew my mind." Six months after they met, they were married on Valentine's Day 1992, with Scotty serving as ring bearer.

To friends and neighbors, all seemed well. Stephanie, who worked at Wal-Mart in nearby London, often took Scotty to the store to pick out toys, and the two were sometimes seen playing ball in the yard together. "She was as nice as she could be," recalls Dorothy Jackson, Donnie's mother. "She seemed like a perfect person."

Soon, though, Stephanie began feeling" frustrated. Her husband's work frequently took him on the road for days at a time; and when he was home, he made it clear he wanted to spend as much time with his son as he could. That did not please his young bride. "She didn't want to go anywhere with me and Scotty," says Donnie. For his part, "Scotty never said anything against Stephanie, and he never back-talked her," says his mother, Ruth. "But he was very aware that she was jealous."

More than that, as it turned out. In July, Baker attempted suicide by slitting her wrists. She and Donnie separated and reconciled several times, but by autumn the marriage was in trouble again. "I believe she thought Scotty would always be first in my life," says Donnie. "She couldn't stand it." It was about that time that Stephanie got together again with Susanne Baker—no relation—her best friend in high school.

During frequent shopping trips and get-togethers in the following weeks, the women, prosecutors say, began hatching a plot for murder. About that time, Baker confided her resentment to her diary. "I don't dislike [Donnie's] son," she wrote. "I just want to be able to do whatever I want in my own home, and I don't particularly enjoy keeping doors shut and keeping fully dressed all the time." By November, Baker had discovered that she was pregnant, further complicating her already troubled marriage.

On Nov. 23, the Monday before Thanksgiving, Baker spoke by telephone with Donnie, who was on the road. When he mentioned that he was planning to drive his truck to Tennessee after Thanksgiving, she excitedly told him that she wanted to come too. He told her that sounded fine, but he had already promised to take Scotty. "She wasn't happy about that," says Donnie. "She would never go if he was coming."

Two days later, Stephanie and Susanne, disguised in a black wig, arrived at Scotty's school. Claiming to be his "cousin," Susanne signed him out of school and drove off with him in her car. When they got to an empty stretch of road, Stephanie suddenly reached into the front seat, grabbed Scotty by the neck and pulled him between the bucket seats. As his stepmother began choking him, he kicked frantically, scuffing the air vents and breaking the gearshift lever. When she was done, Susanne later said, Stephanie triumphantly announced, "Now all my troubles are over."

Of course, they were not. Disposing of the body was one pressing detail. The women decided to dump Scotty in an abandoned strip mine and burn him, but they didn't have any gasoline. On the way to get some, they stopped at Stephanie's trailer home. In a bizarre touch, Stephanie called Donnie's voice mail to leave a tender message. "Hi, sweetheart," she said. "Me and Alex [the couple's dog] just walked around the loop, and I thought I'd call and tell you just how much I miss you, and I love you next to God." She and Susanne then returned to the strip mine, doused Scotty's body with fuel and set it ablaze.

When Scotty didn't arrive home by evening, Ruth called police. As the days passed, she began to suspect Stephanie might have had something to do with his disappearance. Donnie wondered the same thing—and asked Stephanie about it point-blank. "She said, 'I love you too much to do something like that,' " he recalls. Police questioned her, but she appeared to have an unshakable alibi: She claimed she and Susanne had been doing laundry together all morning on the day Scotty disappeared. Meanwhile, the waiting and uncertainty began taking a toll on the boy's parents. "One night it was snowing, and I stood in the window all night long," says Ruth. "I kept thinking someone would drop him at the end of the driveway."

Finally, after six days, and after Stephanie had failed two FBI lie-detector tests while continuing to maintain her innocence, authorities decided to lean on Susanne in hopes that she would come clean. Confronted by FBI agents on Dec. 1, she cracked and confessed that Scotty had been killed but insisted that she had been an unwitting dupe. Susanne claimed she thought Stephanie had simply intended to surprise Scotty, and that she kept quiet after the murder only because she feared Stephanie would pin all the blame on her. Fourteen months later, in early 1994, Susanne was convicted on charges including kidnapping and reckless homicide and sentenced to 26 years in prison. In October, Stephanie Baker plea-bargained to save herself from the death penalty and was given a life sentence. Donnie Baker and Ruth Baker are suing the board of education for $12 million for releasing Scotty in Susanne Baker's custody.

Stephanie's baby, born seven months after her arrest, is now 16 months old and has been adopted by her parents, Bonnie and Roger Spitser. Donnie has never seen the child—"Someday I hope to"—but believes that in the long run, given the time he spends on the road, the Spitsers are probably better equipped to raise the boy than he is. "They're good people," he says. "I hear he's gorgeous." At night now, Donnie sleeps with Scotty's pillow beneath his head, still trying to make sense of a tragedy that defies understanding. "No matter what happens," he says, "no one will ever be able to replace Scotty."

BILL HEWITT
MARIA EFTIMIADES in Manchester

Wyks,

Dede did post this:

"To surrender now is to pay the expensive ogre twice." - Dylan Thomas     Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:59:57 PM  via txt 

Rosemont Farms posted this to Dede:

@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho! 5:27 PM Jun 4th via web in reply to dedejustdede

Also Rosemont Farms posted this:

870.      
Boy + Water + Dirt = Heaven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMSNyGr_Ce8 Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:49:48 PM via web

ME: don't know why both Dede and Rosemont Farms posted the same thing.
probably nothing.

I also found a post by Rosemont Farms that might explain the tweet by Dede asking about picking something up can't remember exactly what it said but posted here.

post 911:

911.      
@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho! Friday, June 04, 2010 8:27:14 PM via web in reply to dedejustdede

IMO sometimes we need to see both side of tweets to get the gist of what is being said and answered.

OS

There have been a few things on Dede's twitter page that I thought were odd:

"To surrender now is to pay the expensive ogre twice." - Dylan Thomas 10:59 AM Jun 22nd via txt (Like she's sending her a message)

# Boy + Water + Dirt = Heaven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMSNyGr_Ce8 Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:49:48 PM via web

@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho! 5:27 PM Jun 4th via web in reply to dedejustdede (She is replying to herself)

What do you guys think?

That boy quote is creepy, sorry but it sounds like a message to say the deed is done and he's gone....but that is just my interpretation of it.

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=4510

When I first read on that site a couple days ago there was discussion about a governmental agcy trying to shut down that site.  It is up thread from where we are currently reading.
Trinity seems to be the admin and they are talking about the lawsuit or whatever is coming w/ regard to shutting them down.
I think that is the big thing they keep referring to.
IMO

Thank you OS. I don;t use Twitter so it's easy for me to overlook something there. Thank you for explaining.

Sorry, had to go food shopping.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas, it's possible she deleted it but I copied her whole twitter in MS word as soon as I read it. She has been deleting her blogs so I didn't want to take the chance.

TY Janet

The bolded part above is very telling IMO.

OS

Thank you sassifrass!

Wyks,

Trinity hummmm...

Also the name of my beautiful great granddaughter Trinity Noel.

OS

I'm Pollyanna today ~ or maybe it's the third Coors Light  ::MonkeyDance::

I choose to believe that she and a friend (with a little boy) went to the farm and the boy played in the mud (boy+dirt+water) and she enjoyed the day. 

I just can't go to the other option in my head or my heart.  Maybe after we find out more ... but I can't go there today.

She DID delete them!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: So it's obvious to me that they mean something. Important enough to delete.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8304.msg1191515#msg1191515

In case you missed my reply to you while shopping ;-)

I'm sure glad you did, sassifrass! 

Why don't you put that on GLP to see if the cousin says anything about it?

Klaas, do you think LE would know she has deleted those posts?

The you tube is a video from mermaidgirlxoxo  she has that one with the little boy playing in the water and mud, she has one up with the little boy cooking in the kitchen, and she has a video up at Christmas with him and an older brother. The kid is cute, and I think that is all there is to it, the title is called Muddy Boy, not Boy + Water + Dirt = Heaven.

When you see the @ sign before the tweet, it is someone posting to the name that appears after the @. not the owner of the twitter.

Hope that makes sense.

for instance if I (Ospainter) say

@Titch hope you have a nice day..that is me Ospainter saying it not you.

OS

OS

highlighted in blue above I never saw that one posted or don't remember, that is wierd as the one about the a/c being off then adding think the heat is on, probably reading too much into it.
the farm lady is really inocent victim in this, JMO>>have talked to her via twitter.
I am going to post a oregon live comment that was posted days ago and was so dark I left it alone couldn't bring to copy and past it.  but I feel needs to be brought forward.  42nd State-acts a cook, but far from it, instel or whatever is an ugly poster but both are very tied to Terri, JMO>>
Will add the post and link in next post.

Klaas  I found the tweet in person I guess any way I rad through tweets back to June 4th on Rosemont Farm page and this is what I found
@dedejustdede it's in a shed/ garage thingy & they're not always open - they have beautiful gardens tho!
9:27 PM Jun 4th via web in reply to dedejustdede
http://twitter.com/Rosemont_Farm

You have to keep scrolling back on the more button at the bottom until you get to June 4 at 9:27Pm then you will see this particular one.

How did I miss that video?!  But thanks norose ... I just went back.

Cousin Tom mentioned that Dede didn't like kids ~ but also noted both that ~ 1.  she wasn't really interested in his kids and 2.  he doesn't keep in contact with her.  So she may very well enjoy her friends' children.

I'm thinking any involvement Dede has in this has to do with TH needing someone to look after baby K ... or TH telling her things after the fact?  It does frustrate me to no end that anyone would be uncooperative in an investigation to find a missing child.  That I do not understand at all. 

THANK YOU!  I had started going back on the Rosemont_Farm tweets but it was taking too long!

I did want to say one thing, after the lastest feeding frenzy on forums we all know what I speak and of what forums I speak want to say something to all the posters and mods here at Scared Monkeys>>

While we might not always agree and sometimes disagree like children we get passed it really quick, usually with the help of one Klass ha/ha, I have joined other sites but never stayed, not sure if I even posted some you can't think for yourself or ridiculed if you don't think within "their"box, that is NEVER the case here in the monkey cage!  We discuss or thoughts that are known as fact (best we can), not rumors.

Just wanted to say how much I enjoy being at Scared Monkeys, I don't always post a lot, sometimes too much, but have been in the cage for over two years and wouldn't be anywhere else.

...and that was said TO Dede, not made by her. Just want to make that clear. ;-)

I also think it is a perfectly innocent tweet.

Her cousin did mention she doesn't like kids, but this video is real cute and the kid is cute in the other videos also. I have no idea what DeDe did during the time she left, leaving behind another worker. It could be something terrible and it could be something as simple as going to lunch, having an affair with someone she doesn't want anyone to know. I hear what you are saying about someone being uncooperative when a child is missing, but there are people that are just not going to get involved and certainly don't want the police in their business, it just is.

OMG ty Brandi

I am just about to give up...

OS

Comments by Sammy (1 total)    RSS
There are three people involved with Kyron's disappearance and LE KNOWS who they are! Unfortunately, Kyron is in the spirit world--I realize not all people believe in psychics--but, guess what? You SHOULD sometimes because THEY DO KNOW what they are talking about! It is making me crazy that they have not recovered Kyron yet! LE was given LOCATIONS to CHECK--he IS THERE AND WANTS TO BE FOUND!It is HORRIBLE what THEY did to him and they will pay--TERRRI,IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME NOW! DEDE ,KYRON has NOT forgotten YOU either! He DID NOT DESERVE TO GO THe way he did--shame on you all! I hope that LE has KYRON and is just taking their time releasing info--BRIAN, YOU ARE NOT INNOCENT EITHER--FREAK! You call yourself a "DAD"--really? Nice job GROOMING Tanner--LE is NOT that DUMB! How about that houseboat,BRIAN? KYRON IS UNDER IT__STILL? Kyron is learning his new world,but,he is happy and has NO pain and is very eager to get his story out there--ANYMORE! Desiree, KYRON does NOT blame you-he LOVES YOU and KAINE and TONY! I do NOT know ANYONE of the people involved,nor, have I EVER been to OREGON. I am sorry for the loss of this beautiful,funny boy-just know that he is OKAY and in GOD'S hands!God Bless!

Posted on Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher on July 23, 2010, 9:24AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html# (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html#)

Makes me sad, could be a kook, could be real, still makes me sad.

So this is the tweet from Rosemont_Farms (Heather Walters) twitter to DeDe on June 4, 2010:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DeDeJune4TweetRosemontFarm.jpg)

http://twitter.com/Rosemont_Farm

And it appears to be an innocent tweet.

From a poster over at Blinks ..and Blink's response:

Ruth Mackey says:
July 25, 2010 at 12:13 pm
I know shes guilty. Her timeline doesn’t make sense. Why would she be at the Albertsons at Beaverton Hillsdale Hwy and Shattuck road? Thats 18 miles from her home. There are dozens of grocery stores closer. LE has video of her there. I have heard hersay that Kyron was with her. I work in the area. I heard about the 2 of them being at that Albetsons 3 days before it became public knowledge.
I hope LE has talked to her hairdresser. Hairdresser know more about people than you can imagine.

Kyron was not with her.
B

If you read a little farther down there are two more tweets that I don't really understand maybe in context they are talking about Farmers Markets but I'm not sure
they are. Below are the ones I'm talking about


On Stafford Rd between I 205 & Wilsonville, Or is a little farm stand on the left, they offer eggs and seasonal veggies.
1,275,697,054,000.00 via web

help your neighbor, today ;o)
1,275,696,995,000.00 via web

.then farmer buys meat from other local farmer who then buys
a car from a neighbor who then sends kid to college & they come back as your doc
1,275,696,963,000.00 via web

.the formula is thus: (1) stop at little farm stand on way home from work + (1) buy food there = (2) good food for you & $ in farmer's pkt
1,275,696,884,000.00 via web

.funding the food movement (as huffpo puts it) is as simple as patronizing your local farmer/baker/restaurant/grocer/etc
1,275,696,785,000.00 via web

http://twitter.com/Rosemont_Farm

Klaas

TY

OS

Thank-you for that post. I have no idea what stores or store Terri went too, but there have been times in the past that I went out of my way to a store, and not my usual store, because I wanted something my store didn't have and the other store had a sale of things we needed. Sometimes people do stuff and there is really no hidden agenda, but with Terri and these stores who knows why and if she went to them?

I was thinking the above tweet was in response to this tweet from Dede, but this tweet occurred later in time.

@Rosemont_Farm is the produce outside by the rd, or do u drive up & knock on the door?     7:25 PM Jun 4th  via txt 

huffpo is the Huffington Post, and I believe this is about farmer's markets, and shopping at your local businesses, that is good for you and your community.

How does she "know" LE has video of her, and how does she know she "Terri" was at Albertson's?  Sure she does but just wonder, maybe she works at Albertson's, or was shopping?

42ndstate ... or whoever he/she may be today ... Started posting on oregonlive at the beginning of the case under a different moniker.  But was honest enough to let everyone know he/she had changed their name.  The first name was 33rdstate.) 

He/she changed course pretty quickly if I remember correctly.  (I haven't read every post as there are thousands ... which says something IMO).  For the first few weeks all we (readers of the comments section) heard was that TH was a 'narcissistic psychopath'... over and over and over again ... ad nauseum.  And a few weeks in we got several lengthy posts regarding the poster's childhood growing up with a 'narcissist psychopath' mother.  Truly, I found it quite sad as I think many other readers did.  (Since I'm a monkey to the core ... have a life and haven't joined anywhere else ... I couldn't post anything - but several readers posted that 42nd needed to speak with a professional ... seriously ... I don't think anyone was finding any humor in the situation).  And from my branch I was thinking the same thing.  A person reaching out for help ... however inappropriate the venue.

When Kaine suddenly became the target of his/her vehement postings I think we were all a little taken aback ... but I'm not sure anyone who has read there since day one ... really thinks this person has any real involvement with anyone in the case.  IMO just a sad soul reaching out.

dinTexas,

Scared Monkeys is like Texas, you have the freedom to be yourself. ::MonkeyHeart::

Claycat & Sassifrass,

The sludge in the river was brought up by me several times, on several sites (as well as scaredmonkeys.net). I keep asking about it bc the channel & it's inlets are dredged on a daily basis. I wanted to know the "feel" of the sludge, like is it hard like clay where it can be pliable but still hard, or is it more like play doh. The reason I ask is bc if Ky was thrown from a behicle, the impact could assist in him sinking faster into the sludge. Are they any roadways near maybe a 50-100 foot embankment where something could be thrown over to sink into the sludge? On the KYOD Facebook page, there used to be pictures of rop with hair in it that a volunteer searcher found. She called the MCSO & they came out right away, bagged the evidence, then had investigators there searching the area. Those pictures, I believe, have since been removed bc it was creating too much controversy. I saved the pictures, though...and it was found about 10 miles north of where the search was going on at Sauvie Island. I'm not sure if it was the Sauvie side or the other side of the river/channel. This immediately made me search for info related to the waterways connected to the Multnomah Channel, the tide, the river flow, depth, bacteria, etc. It was said that the channel was dredged on a daily basis to allow for a larger ships passage, but if I remember correctly, it was raining for quite some time after Kyron vanished. So, does anybody from that area happen to know the consistency of the sludge? Is it oily? Is it more muddy? Is it filled with industrial overflow/chemicals? Also, something that I was thinking...what about if Ky was placed in a swampy area...the kind of area adjacent to a river/ocean that has little streams running through it but sea grass covers much of the "land" area...that grassy area is muddy (wetlands) all the time & a person would not be able to walk on it without sinking...well wouldn't it be easier to bury or lose a body in such an area? I'm only being hypothetical but it kinda makes sense. What is the salt content  in the channel? The salt level could determine a timeframe that a body could float if thrown into the water. I'd think after all this time that (if Ky is deceased) his body would have been found by now if it was thrown into the channel or one of it's inlets...that is, if it's not buried in the sludge.

But to just up and leave in the middle of job?  And not mentioning anything to the person you are working with, or working for?  The timing is just to suspect.  I will eat crow if I am wrong, but I feel this is another Scotty Baker.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0%2C%2C20104652%2C00.html

And don't think I haven't thought about that!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Listen ya'll ~ with all the stuff I've looked up on my computer trying to follow the Anthony case ... If LE ever confiscates my computer I'm gonna need some monkeys to come to my defense!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Titch!  It is very possible that is where Kyron is, in the sludge in the river.  :(

That's just it, I don't know, I agree it seems very strange, since I don't know DeDe maybe she does stuff like this a lot, and it is in her character to do that. Could be innocent, could be she went and helped Terri, hopefully this will all come out, and DeDe is either guilty or innocent in her actions.

http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1141412/pg25

DLS Enterprises
User ID: 1048339
 United States
7/25/2010 3:14 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey DeDe's Cousin, Is it true that she owns a farm 8.9 acres at 12712 NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro? Is she the DLS in this company name? This address is the billing address on DDs property tax record. There was a report that Terri was seen coming out of a road onto NW Logie the morning of june 4th, this farm connects to Logie. Has LE searched this area?

I happen to know a couple people that are just not going to get involved with anything, period. I'm not saying that I'm like that, but I would also be very careful with what I say, because I wouldn't want it to get blown out of proportion, if I thought that I could help, I would, but would also contact my lawyer and get advice from her. Doesn't mean I'm an uncaring person, which I'm certainly not, but would feel that if I needed advice, wouldn't hesitate to get it.

Kim Holm resides in the same area that Jim Kelley and his neighbour observed the white pickup at 3:00 PM on June 4, 2010 and 1:00 AM the next morning.

A while back there were maps posted on the SM Kyron Horman forum and interesting information regarding Kim Holm's elder son.

Could there be a connection?

Janet

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Kim Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT

Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT

Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, “I really think they were a good family before this.”

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

“I don’t let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them,” she said. “I didn’t think anything bad about them.”

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

“I asked Curtis about Kyron’s last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project,” Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Jim Kelley

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun


 

It's only a guess...but it is sort of an educated guess... Do you have any knowledge of the channel & it's river inlets? Do you have any idea what is meant by "daily dredging" - is that once a week, once a month, once every season, etc.? What's the flow like? Would it be feasible for a small craft to navigate the river? Are there any smaller fishing boats? Jeesh, I'm just thinking out loud here but the easiest way to get rid of a body, if in fact it's a body we're dealing with, would be to go full speed ahead, open the door, then throw it over an embankment by an area that is known to have sludge. Depending on the consistency of the sludge, the body would be weighted down by the sludge & sink. If it's hard sludge, then a body would just stay on top & certainly should have been found by now if that's the case. For all anybody knows, this lil angel is still alive & nowhere near Sauvie. Sure, if he's deceased he could have been buried in the woods somewhere, but why not use the water or mud closest to where he vanished? Easier to get rid of...fast & simple, don't need time to dig, etc. If he's buried somewhere, then surely a grave would have to be dug beforehand wouldn;t it? I wonder if there was a decoy & Ky is opposite of where the decoy was spotted... Sooo much confusion in this little boy's disappearance that it's ridiculously frustrating to think about!

Is the Albertsons on Hillsdale Highway located 18 miles from Terri's home?  It would interesting to know what was purchased.

Janet

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Sources detail stepmom's timeline on day Ore. boy vanished
Story Published: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:14 AM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman claims she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without her stepson Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

As KATU news first reported, at least two stores, the Albertsons on Hillsdale Highway and the Sunset Fred Meyer, are cooperating with investigators. The Albertsons confirmed it turned over surveillance tape to investigators in the case.

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri claimed she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She claimed she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle.

Early on investigators made a request of the public for any video they might have of the white truck traveling on specific roads through Northwest Multnomah County and portions of Washington County.

At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.

Sources said she also e-mailed the teacher to find out when she could come pick up the project as she had not taken it home.

Yet according to Kaine Horman, that was the very reason Terri requested to drive the truck that day to Skyline School.

He said in an e-mail to KATU News: "I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron's science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car."

Two of Terri's friends who've taken polygraph tests and turned over evidence said they are cooperating fully with investigators and have nothing to hide.

DeDe Spicher, another friend of Terri’s, has been accused by Kyron’s biological parents, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, for not cooperating with police. Spicher refused to answer reporter’s questions Friday.

No one has been named a suspect or person of interest in the case, and police have not made any arrests.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/99168554.html

DeDe's post from five years ago, if anyone is interested in reading, second post.
 ::rhino::

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/search/label/Kyron%20Horman

Titch or anyone else who remembers...isn't the landscape guy familiar with "dredging" or the rebuilding of some sort of drainage areas at Sauvie.  Didn't he work on the Sauvie area drainage problems this year.  Did I hear this at BOC?  I can remember.

I think the most interesting part is Blink saying Kyron was not with her.  That makes me wonder..where was Kyron and who was he with?

DeDe seems like a busy woman.

Sounds like a normal single gal to me ... one who likes animals.  (Hopefully putting to rest all the things people read into her puppy sitting ~ laundry room blog post.  Honestly, I didn't read anything into that other than she was sitting a puppy ~ who as a puppy will do ~ spilled his food and water and cut his nose trying to nudge under the door!)

I wish I had a better read on TH - which is hard to do since she hasn't said a thing!  Just wondering if she's one of those people who can pull people in ... ala cultish like ... make them believe anything she says? 

Still hoping this next week brings Kyron home.

She sure does like a busy woman. Do the monkeys have this information?  A map of busy DeDe's Farm?

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=423153#post423153


A poster 682

Terri's friend DeDe who isn't cooperating (acc. to reports) owns a farm 8.9 acres near the Horman home. To: 12712 NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124 This is from property tax records in Oregon. Her business name is DLS Enterprises (her initials). Note how close it is to the Horman's on Sheltered Nook.

When I was reading Jonesr's (Dede's cousin) blog yesterday, one poster asked something like what's up with the readheads, and Tom replied something like "about the redheads, you're onto something there." Those aren't the actual words, but that was the gist of it. I didn't do a thorough job of reading last night, so does anyone know if he elaborated on what he meant by that, later on? Any thoughts on that?

Very interesting, seahorse!  Especially considering info posted at another forum has posted a map with the same address as DeDe's farm. 

posted by Anonymous #699471 at GLP forum

(see map, directions, link/s below)

Here's a search pattern:
On the A to B in the map, look for spots no more than 100 feet off the road side that have (1)sand, (2)sun-bleached white barkless trees, and (3)tall weeds that grow in isolated clusters with yellowish flowers on them. Once you find these spots, look for disturbed areas and piles of brush; notice any smells.

A......12712 NW Bishop Rd Hillsboro, OR 97124

1.   Head south on NW Bishop Rd toward NW Helvetia Rd   0.3 mi
2.   Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd            207 ft
3.   Turn right to stay on NW Helvetia Rd      1.1 mi
4.   Take the 2nd left onto NW Phillips Rd      2.2 mi
5.   Turn left at NW Old Cornelius Pass Rd      1.7 mi
6.   Turn right at NW Skyline Blvd            210 ft
7.   Turn left at NW Cornelius Pass Rd         2.3 mi
8.   Turn left at NW Sheltered Nook Rd                   (Kyron's home)

B.....15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd  Portland, OR 97231

short link to map:
http://bit.ly/dlUoJh (http://bit.ly/dlUoJh)

Yes my computer like yours goes back to casey and I hve some really interisting searchs, tag on my posts is murder for hire, crime, kidnapping....lol

My guess is that red hair runs in the family and they are proud of it.  Nothing more than that  ::MonkeyCool::

I believe that LE is looking into DeDe very closely.

Does DeDe drive a white truck?

Janet 

I believe she has a blue Explorer.

Blue SUV as personal primary car apparently.  Not to say she doesn't own one .. or have access to one ... just haven't seen anyone say that she has. 

Not that I'm aware of.  Her normal vehicle is a blue SUV or Ford Explorer or something.  This is her car:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DeDeCondo1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DeDeCondoForSale.jpg)

That has been bothering me, when I read that. Have no idea what was meant by that.

The video of DDS's father picking her up ... wasn't he in her SUV?  Where was his vehicle?  NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING HERE  Just found it weird that video started rolling and he was in her SUV already picking her up.

Were my dad alive ... well first of all you'd have gotten good video cause he woulda been kicking my A$$ out there in the driveway ~ screaming at me about being so stupid and not cooperating with LE and first of all getting involved with anything like this! (OMG I feel like I'm channeling  ::MonkeyHaHa::) ... and he was LE too! ... but he also would have driven his car ... not mine.  Not completely weird ... but just a little.

Yes, I remember alot of people were talking about him at blinkoncrime.com. I remember talking about the landscaper but I thought it was more to the effect of what exactly a "hardscaper" is, what the job entails. OMGosh, I must have missed something. Was there talk of him being involved in the dredging? Or was it more in line with working on the embankments, what stones/river rock were used, sea grass & other plants? I'll have to dig through that old article bc now it's gonna bug me! LOL!

Wow, Wyks and seahorse!  If DeDe has a farm in that area, that may be where Kyron is (or his body).  :(

Wow ....

Who says she owns this presently?

I looked up Dede on several sites and found out from Zabasearch, I believe that she lived at:
12712 BISHOP RD
HILLSBORO, OR  97124
in 2005.

She no longer lives there. Someone else does, and I don't think it would be nice of me to state their name, but you can do a reverse address lookup and find out yourself.

I think you all are on the wrong branch if you are thinking she lives here or still owns it or was there recently. JMO.

I can't get the one link to work, and I can't tell with the other map if there is a house located on the property that DeDe owns along with the farm. Or is this just property where she does farming?

Brandi, then she doesn't own the farm property? Or she did at one time?

Now, let's see if I did this right. I tried to bring Puzzler's post to these posts. This is what I was trying to get at last night, but I think I confused Brandi (I think it was you Brandi). With all this info & Logie being so close, wonder if Terri was there the morning of Ky's disappearance...or could it just be a mixup? I see the resemblance between Terri & DeDe, especially if one was sitting behind a window in a truck. Now, I've read that DeDe harvested worms. Would her land have to be moist in order to harvest worms? Only being hypothetical here, but could a body be stored or housed in such an environment for a few hours then moved to a different location so as to trip up search & rescue/recovery? If worms are harvested from compost there, what about if a body was stored in the compost bin? How would that affect the body? I don't know much about a worms effect on a body but I know a little bit about larvae & maggots. Could Kyron have been stored in a compost bin?

Wyks, I know this one's gonna make you think about that blue storage container on the Horman's porch. Sorry to sound disgusting...only trying to be informative enough to get an educated answer. I seriously don't know...

Where is Kyron?

Thanks for straightening us out about that property, Brandi!

Good evening, dear monkey friends.  I am three threads behind because I left town Thursday and didn't take my computer - only my phone.  I can't catch up!  I tried to read from my phone, but it loaded slowly and was taking forever!

What I think I know:

Dede Spicher is a friend of TH and has been uncooperative with police. 

Someone had a blog about something they did to a dog.

Is there anything of incredible importance I need to know or should I just pick up from there for now and read back as time permits?

Thank you so much Brandi for this clarification...but...I've read she harvests worms. Surely she can;t do that from a condo...or can she? Is there a piece of land she reaps? Does she only reside at the condo? Something else, even if she doesn;t live at the farm anymore, Terri would still be familiar with that piece of land since she's been friends with DeDe for 7 years. Plus, keep in mind there was a sighting of "supposedly" Terri driving a truck coming off of Lodie which is right by this farm. Pretty coincidental huh? Do you see the last tax payment and the last sewage payment? Can you see if maybe she sold the house but kept a parcel of land? Only asking out of curiousity bc it bigs me that there was a sighting off of Lodie Road.

One other thing - is Dede this lady's real first name?

As rugged and forested as Oregon is ... I don't know that anyone had to take great lengths at disposing of a body.  It seems to me that in that area anyone ... even an adult ... could be easily disposed of and not found unless someone just happens upon the body.  Unless someone talks in this case ... my worst fear is that is where KH, D&TY and their families will be ... just waiting for that "chance" finding .. for an undetermined amount of time.  I don't really believe in heaven and hell as portrayed in modern religion ... but IMO ... that's what hell would be ... the not knowing.

Blonde if you are talking about her old address with Kaine it was 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd

Yes, I believe her name is DeDe L. Spicher or DeDe Delspicher

I have a feeling that we will learn quite a bit in the next few days.

I think there will be some significant movement in this case.

(No, I have no inside knowledge, just from what we do know.)

Dede Lee Spicher

I'm not sure if it is or a nickname.

Still something to keep in mind tho.  Even if she doesn't live there, that address is/was the billable address on DeDe's property tax record. 

And, whether or not she lived there, there's still the report that was made that Terri was seen coming out of a road onto NW Logie the morning of June 4th.  The farm connects to Logie. 

I'm hoping that LE has searched the area. 

Hi New Monkey ... welcome back!  Yes to the Dede is a friend and apparently not cooperating.  The puppy story I didn't read anything into.  Someone will have to point you to her cousin posting on another site that banned me (long story).

Yep, I think it's really Dede. 

Her blog - twitter - etc have all been looked into.  They are posted here - probably within this thread most of them.

Again ... if someone else will give you the cousin's posts - they are probably the most enlightening on this particular person. 

Yes, I agree that she would at least be familiar with that area.

True!  I also hope they have searched there.

Janet


Driving directions to 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231
12.3 mi – about 28 mins


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=12712+NW+Bishop+Rd,+Hillsboro,+oregon,+USA+to+NW+logie,+Hillsboro,+oregon,+USA&sll=45.60976,-122.915769&sspn=0.011123,0.018561&ie=UTF8&ll=45.609431,-122.91711&spn=0.001398,0.00232&t=h&z=19

What would one all do for a friend? Not starting anything, but if they were more then just friends, maybe I could see DeDe helping more then them just being friends. Not condoning it at all, just would somewhat make some sense to me if there was more going on, if that makes sense? Just can't picture doing something like what is being suggested for a friend of seven years.

May I ask please does anyone have a membership to classmates.com?

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=2043721

DeDe Spicher
 
DeDe Spicher’s picture Mazama High School

Klamath falls, OR

Class of 1984

Member Since: Jan 1970

       
DeDe Spicher's other Communities: Ferguson Elementary School (1974-1978), Brixner Junior High School (1978-1980),
 
DeDe has had 132 profile visits.
Register for free to view DeDe's full profile.

No rose, nothing is making sense anymore.  :( 

I need to back off just a bit (especially at GLP).

Signing off.  Y'all have a very pleasant evening!   ::HelloKitty::

So, if this was the billable address used for DeDe's property tax record, could that imply that she knows the people that live there now? Could they be a relative? Close friend? Brandi, do you happen to know? I missed so much by not being on here yesterday... wasn't able to log on til late last night - I missed everything pertinent! Could an old address be used for her current property tax record? OMG I can't believe I'm so clueless right now...still trying to piece together everything I missed...

Thanks for all that you do, Brandi. You're real quick with the info! Thanks!

If this turns out to have any relation to what happened to Kyron, I hope they fry her right along with whomever may have hurt Kyron.  Sucks for her if it was "just a random coincidence" because I think it sounds like she thinks she's being clever.

http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1141412/pg25

DLS Enterprises
User ID: 1048339
 United States
7/25/2010 3:14 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey DeDe's Cousin, Is it true that she owns a farm 8.9 acres at 12712 NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro? Is she the DLS in this company name? This address is the billing address on DDs property tax record. There was a report that Terri was seen coming out of a road onto NW Logie the morning of june 4th, this farm connects to Logie. Has LE searched this area?

I hear you  ::MonkeyNoNo::  You have a nice night, I'm going out to eat and get away awhile also.

I just thought of something. Remember when LE informed that some areas of private property couldn't be searched without a supoena or search warrant bc the peoperty owners were either flat out refusing to allow a search without a warrant or maybe they just didn't answer the door? Weren't home or something? Well, would the investigators have kept those areas under surveillance or just let it go til they acquired the necessary paperwork to search? I'm wondering if Ky is deceased, maybe he could have been on that property and then moved to another location... It's just a thought since there's a noted sighting off of Logie Trail...a thought, that's all...

Titch, I never did the research on taxes on that property. I am not sure who did, nor what the results were and for what year they were.

I simply have researched Dede some, and found that she lived at that address in 2005. I also looked to see who lives there presently, and it is not her. I have no idea if she knows the present occupants. Sorry.

I do my best ;-)

OMG! Grammar police please don't hang me. I'm reeeally thinking I need to slow down my typing speed...otherwise I'm gonna flush the ; key! I just can't take it anymore! Ugggh! Sorry if it's getting on anybody's nerves...my typos & misuse of certain keys is absolutely killing me!

Brandi, you do your best & it shows just how awesome you are! Thank you!

New monkey I have all of the press releases from Friday and the video interview with the farm lady from the tweets with DeDe etc. on my website, along with the time line etc.  I keep it condensed and up to date with the links look to the left and all the links are there, including the q&a with the sherriff.
www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com

Kyron's Wall of Hope: 500 cranes and counting
By Meghan Kalkstein, KATU News and KATU.com Staff
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99202599.html

PORTLAND, Ore. – For neighbors and visitors at the Wall of Hope for missing second-grader Kyron Horman, the return of 30 or so searchers to Skyline School grounds Saturday was almost routine.

"They're out looking again," said Skyline neighbor David Scheer.

Scheer lives next to Skyline school. He has watched the search grow, and then slow, since June 4. And he has seen the people filing in to pay homage to the 7-year-old boy that has prompted a national media frenzy and captured the hearts of thousands.

"I don't think he's in this general area because they've searched it really thoroughly," Scheer said. "I mean they would have found a mouse hiding under a blade of grass the first time."

Still, on the day searchers come back to the area where Kyron was last seen, several of those at the Wall are on a mission: help to hang 1,000 paper cranes to bring Kyron back.

“It's time," said Danielle Denham. "It's time for something to happen; it's time for him to come home.”

The origami cranes are considered a Japanese symbol of hoping your dearest wish will come true. It's a concept tied to Kryon thanks to Denham's Facebook group, “Cranes of Hope For Kyron Horman.”

“I kind of got sick of sitting on the computer and not doing anything," Denham told us, "when I could be doing something to help Kyron and his family."

Many of the cranes on Kyron's wall were crafted by Denham, her friends and her co-workers. Other cranes are crafted by those who now are following the cause, including Denise Smith.

Smith tells us the legend of the cranes has worked for her twin boys.

"One of them had to undergo a pretty serious brain operation and spinal surgery in July 2001, and those cranes hung in his hospital room until he was released," said Smith, hanging cranes now for Kyron. "And he is fully recovered."

More than 500 cranes and counting now hang from the Wall of Hope. Denham and those who join her are hoping the cranes will bring luck to any renewed search efforts.

“I'd like to really believe that legend that someone's dearest wish does come true," Denham said. "And so, if that's the case, we hope and pray for Kyron to come home.”

(http://images.bimedia.net/images/072510_kyron_search_continues3.jpg)

 ::HelloKitty:: Have a good evening, Claycat, sweet dreams.

Very cool

(http://media.katu.com/images/072510_kyron_search_continues.jpg)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Scared%20Monkeys/Hinkey.gif)

There is something very disturbing in regards to Kaine Horman's ablity to control the media.  In what is perceived as one of greatest democracies in the free world ... it should not have been allowed to happen.  IMO.

Janet

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A Time to Unify?

NEW YORK, June 14, 2010
Kyron Horman Case Now Considered Criminal
7-Year-Old Missing 10 Days; Search Scaled Back

The search for Kyron began 10 days ago with no sign of the 7-year-old since his stepmother dropped him off at school on June 4.

Sheriff Dan Staton said, "We will be continuing this investigation. It is not going to stop and I am not going to cease in dedicating resources to locating Kyron."

Kyron's family has been largely silent since the news broke of the boy's disappearance, addressing the press just once, last Friday.

Tony Young, Kyron's stepfather, said, "I would just like to say Kyron, we miss you, we love you, and we need you home right now."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/14/earlyshow/main6580409.shtml


Controlling the Media

June 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy

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by tmittelstaed June 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT

The only thing we know (and I live in OR so have read quite a lot about this case) is that the family immediately went into seclusion the first week of Kyron's disappearance, and -everyone- (and I mean everyone) remotely conected to the family has been absolutely close-lipped with regards to the families situation. There has been nothing in the way of family members or relatives talking to reporters and doing anything other than echoing the party line. Kyron's family has information about it's internal workings locked down so tight that it would put the CIA to shame, and they have managed the press to say what they want better than a lot of professional companies who manage politicians press interfaces have done.

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Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive. Check out the video with KATU’s coverage here

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

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Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010

Below is an email from Kyron's father.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation  

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7


June 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008192-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/

True Crimes • View topic - WORK THREAD Dede Spicher -Friend Of ...De Delspicher Possible Employment / Business Associations: ..... so we have to be careful when pulling up the spicher family in portland oregon. ...

Does Dede Lee Spicher also go by De Delspicher?

Klaas

Please add link to the second quote in my last post.

Thank You

Janet

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June 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008192-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

IMO Kaine is not controlling the media ... LE is ... maybe through KH, D&TY ... and maybe not.  The only thing that has been sent out that I think maybe wasn't orchestrated by LE was the Intel email ... and I think that was orchestrated by Intel execs.  While trying to portray themselves as the helpful employer ... they also didn't want the media breathing down the throats of either them or their employees.  As I said ... all MO ...

Now could the media have done a more thorough job of investigating KH and the Y's ... probably (and who's to say they haven't but just not reported it yet because of the focus not being on them) .. but to what end when LE's focus is certainly on TH and has been since the beginning. 

Hi Brandi,

Intelius.com if you type in De Delspicher it will show her mum and dad, and her age is 43.  I do not want to post
her parents because Klaas said that should be the focus.

Brandi,

Would you please also look up De Delspicher just for fun?  I am puzzled why she has two names.  The people on the Intelius should be her grandpa, on other search engines her parents (but on this one) "with this name" I believe granddad.

Thank-you, very much.

Intellius and People Finder are notorious for picking up misspellings and erroneous spellings of peoples names.  I've seen it first hand.  My bet is someone entered her name quickly and it came out De Delspicher by accident.

Had to add a monkey in with the crane ;-)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image15.png)

Peoplefinders.com also has her with the two names.  DeDe Lee Spicher and associated name De Delspicher

(Age 43)

Associated Names:

Tualatin, OR
Hillsboro, OR
Vancouver, WA
Portland, OR
Tigard, OR

You are right they do fudge up names!  Both search engines.

no rose

It would be with a heavy heart but ... I know I would not coverup an act of wrongdoing for a friend or a family member.  Hubby and I have been put to the test and prevailed.

When our eldest son was nineteen ... hubby and I learned he was attempting to defraud the Provincial auto insurance company by falsely claiming tires from his precious Datsun 510 were stolen.  His plan was to to purchase new tires he had been drooling over in a catalog for months.

Thankfully the insurance adjuster (an angel) scared him straight at a meeting with two police officers and ... there were no legal consequences.  However ... hubby and I did not not know what the consequences would be when we followed through on our sense of what was right.

Janet

Skeletons in one's closet ... I'm sure we all have ... and I'm pretty sure KH probably has some.  I for one am not painting him with the magic fairy dust brush ... I also think any skeletons he may have .. he's given them up to LE ... because he wants his son back.  Same with the Y's.

And media isn't stupid ... from day one I bet they knew lots of things on every parent that we don't know ... yet they've chosen not to share ... and for media not to share means one of two things ... They are abiding by LE's "don't ask don't tell" plan ... or they know enough (that we don't know) to know that none of the KH or Y's stories mean anything to this case.  You can't tell me they don't know everyone who has gone through a search or a poly ... and yet they've only reported DDS.  There's a reason behind this.  The media doesn't stay quiet for no reason.  They don't sell papers or increase viewers by keeping mum.  IMO.

NewfieMonkey

Reporter James Pitkin claims otherwise.  Did you read his commentary.  I found the implications disturbing.

Also ... LE did distance themselves from the only spokespersons who have been speaking on behalf of the Kyron Horman investigation.

Janet

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Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE JULY 8, 2010 YOUNG/HORMAN PRESS CONFERENCES
Posted: July 8th, 2010 6:48 PM

There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences.   The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.  This is an ongoing investigation. ....

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

Posted on the Kyron Horman Discussion forum by Anita Kissee, the reporter:

http://khod4kyron.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=kyron&action=display&thread=115

And since then both papers have been brought back into the fold.  IMO this was a little hint from LE ... hint being ... don't go rogue or you won't get the story from us when you want it (when something happens).  As I said ... JMO.

you got that Delspicher on my site?

And on the Harry Oakes post ... all I have to say is Wow ... just Wow.

Speaking of hinkey ... I thought hinkey when I read Harry's site ... but me being so pro LE and him being so anti LE ... and with the truth in the middle (listen ~ I know LE isn't fallible and they are not all honorable ~ but I truly believe the majority are) ~ I chalked it up to that.

So just Wow ... is all I have to say.

Night Monkeys.  Here's to hoping Kyron comes home this week.

Have said it before and JMO from the very first day Kaine has kept very close and anyone close to him from being public, why I don't know, but he has.
Tony Young knows exactly what to and what not to say and reason the statements Desiree read where concise and directed to an individual (Terri) what do you call it mind warfare.  Quit sure Tony either wrote or knew someone to write the statements.
I think that DY and TY actually say and talk way more than Kaine does, he doesn't do the interviews they do.  Like the email they released his name was listed but listed last, out of most likely polite/etiquette.  But that email was written by the same person most likely who wrote the ones DY read.  The email / statement was direct to the point and saying we are coming after you next.
LE most likely does not have any other choice but to share what they know with TY, one professional courtesy and two they can't bullsh*t him....that is JMO<<<

Looking at pictures of one of the people that resides at 12712 Northwest Bishop Road, Hillsboro, Oregon. He has red hair. Just thought it was interesting so thought I'd post it.

I agree, Janet. 

<and deleting the rest of what I'd like to post... to save the effort of others who would rip it to shreds anyway> 

I can only assumed that these two publications bowed to the "Horman ground rules".

NewfieMonkey ... we have different perspectives on the issue.  I find it very disturbing ... you do not.  We will just have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Janet

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Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

Seriously, I don't think Kaine has much pull to control the media. ::MonkeyHaHa::  He is probably being guided by LE.  There is no conspiracy against poor widdle Terri!

I agree. I think something is hidden & I think it helped to send Terri over the edge...if in fact Terri is the true perp...

Wanted to add that I think Kaine is controlling the media bc of his strong desire to find his son. I think Tony Young has helped to direct this process. I personally think the trio & MCSO are playing good cop / bad cop with regard to media releases. I think it helps to generate leads. I think if too much personal stuff is put out there, it takes the focus away from Kyron. I think the focus is centered on Terri bc of her stretched-truths.

I wonder who introduced Terri to Kaine...

I agree txlisa.
BTW, Annie-Belle is adorable.

Aww, thanks Scatty!

Not trying to be picky but I think what I found is when looking at "time" posted, it shows your/my time zone not the person's who posted it. I live on E Coast so my time is 3 hrs later than Dede's, if Klaas looked at time posted it would probably be 5:25:48 PM. And Rosemont answered 2 mins. later.

My twitter says it was posted at:

@Rosemont_Farm is the produce outside by the rd, or do u drive up & knock on the door?     Friday, June 04, 2010 8:25:48 PM via txt

OS

I don't think Kaine is controlling the media.  I think LE is controlling what Kaine, Desiree and Tony say and do in the media.

Like you I would elaborate my thoughts on the "media" thing but will skip it one of two things, either nothing to be found or they "media" are holding "the scoop" to get the big story, we all know that media really don't care a whole lot who they mow down in the process of ratings.
It will bother me until this is figured out and Kyron is found "WHY" the family did not come public, and why the intel email was sent their is a reason.
Answer this has anyone EVER seen anything like that in the case of a missing child?  Will leave it at that...

OS - you are exactly correct

And that is the only think I find Kaine guilty of.  Wanting to find his son.  I think that when you are thrust upon the media spotlight it is best to have a spokesperson that is familiar with the press.  I'm just not seeing Kaine as this evil-monger hell bent on destroying Terri.  In fact, it is most likely the other way around.

Bottom Line:

An explanation maybe but ... there is no justification.  If Terri made the choice to harm Kyron ... made the choice to disappear him ... she must be held accountable.

Janet

txlisa - I agree

Where some people see a conspiracy, I see a guy who just wants his kid back.  AND IS COOPERATING WITH LE TO SEE THAT IT HAPPENS.

In her tweets, she said her neighbors gave and taught her how to harvest worms for composting and it was at her condo. Think she got around 4 gals of composting, she also had pics of her deck on her now removed blog of her container garden.

On her blog she also mentioned wanting to join in with someone for gardening, can't remember her exact words, but wanting land to join for gardening to share.

OS

OS

Yep, me too

Reading with one squinty eye the info on HO. 

Some of you may remember how 'gung ho' I was about him, the dogs, his willingness to search, etc.  And I don't feel any differently about all that now.  However........ Sigh. 

You may also have noticed that I pulled back and away from him.  This is because of an increasing hinky feeling about him, apart from the doing good that he does.  It's really hard to put my finger on. 

And yes, it regards his seeming need to bi@tch and moan to any and every person he possibly can, about his treatment in the past, present, future.  Whether that was deserved in the past and present, I dunno.  But IMO, his seeming need to dwell on it all sooooooooooooooooo omg much, is causing this treatment of him for his future. 

That and his seemingly huge focus on $$.  I sent him an email one evening in encouragement, thanking him for continuing the search after his dogs alerted to that one area, he had turned that info over to LE as was appropriate, and was looking for the next area to search. 

His reply back to me re all that, was to send me his expense report and ask ME for permission to take $ out of whatever account to replace his watch, which had been broken/lost during the search.  And I'm like....... huh?  I don't have anyyyyyyyyything to do with the expense account, why are you asking me?  Since that day, not a word back.  And I distanced myself from him. 

I still believe in HO.  Believe in his dogs.  Believe that his heart is in it for Kyron.  And yet........ Am also beginning to believe that with his attitude, he is his own worst enemy with regard to present/future searches. 

This latest info just underscores all that for me.  Sadly. 

All IMO.

Oh sure!  Put into two sentences what I was trying to convey in two paragraphs!  Showoff!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too txlisa....maybe I am just seeing that because I tend to look at the situation the way I would be feeling and have a hard time seeing it otherwise.....
But then again, I have a hard time imagining anyone hurting that precious little boy, although I know all too well that it happens far too many times...

Really bunktime!  Night Monkeys!

Holy frickin cow! This is an absolute MUST READ & I strongly suggest it's done now...

No flipping wonder DeDe wants to lawyer up before she talks! Stupid 911, stupid MCSO! Stupid stupid stupid uncaring unprofessional idiotic people that shouldn't hold positions paid by local tax paying citizens! Dis anybody that answered any of these calls happen to freakin go to college! Jeesh. God help you Kyron, whereever you are pookie! I'm bringing this here not bc I think it's Ky's sock, but bc of the fallout from the initial 911 call! This is absolutely ridiculous!

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/web_exclusive_a_bloody_find_an.html

Web exclusive: A bloody find on Black Butte and a broken system
Published: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:21 AM     Updated: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 11:41 AM

Nighty-night Newfie.

Thank you for taking pity on a poor, out of the loop monkey!

I found an address in publicdata.com for Dede Spicher.  Do we need an address or do we already have one?  This address is from 2006 - she may have moved since then.

Thanks for sharing Wyks.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Me too. No matter what went on between Kaine & Terri, it could NEVER justify making Kyron vanish!

You are the bomb!   ::MonkeyDance::  Thank you soooo much!

Yesssssssssssss I totally agree! 

Kudos to the monkey who had posted the original link to this story, wish now I had read it then.  Read it earlier today when it was posted again, and OMG!!!  I cannot for the LIFE of me understand the seeming ATTITUDE of 911 and sheriff's depts, the hoops they reportedly made him jump thru!  Have you ever seen such before?????????   ::MonkeyEek::  Kudos to that man who found a small bloody sock .. for pressing forward, despite the seeming roadblocks set up in his path to do so.  I'd have pulled my hair out and been totally bald by the time the sock actually got handed over. 

That's really sad. I was personally hoping he was on the up & up. I still think he's sincere, though...maybe he's feeling the pinch of spending his hard earned money? Ya know, with all the negative comments out there regarding Harry & his team, maybe it made him wanna truck on & do whatever he could to find Kyron, then be able to say "See, I told ya so" - therefore being placed on a level playing field with the other SARS teams used by law enforcement. Just a thought...

Sorry about that. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I should be embarassed to say this, but I know my italian temper - all the comments I post on here I should be ashamed of myself but I swear to GOD I'd have punched somebody in their face over that! No, I'm not even kidding! It's ridiculous...a small child is missing...take the damn call serious already...oh my gosh!

You're welcome, Janet, and thanks.   ::dogwag::

Thank you OS :)

I read that yesterday and had to read it again to make sure I was reading correctly.  Can you imagine carrying around a bloody sock all day.

OK, this has caused me to look into the sheriff's offices surrounding Kyron's disappearance. I'll spend some time tomorrow doing just that. I'm really bugged about that article...really wigged out that such unprofessionalism was shown. I'm personally upset that they are not held accountable. They should be. Demand it Oregonians! You pay their salaries...

I am absolutely disgusted, very upset. I feel like copying & pasting it on every major cable news network from now until it's noticed & responded to. I'm mad & Ky isn't even my kid! Man oh man!

I do think he is sincere in his wanting to find Kyron and all that.  Am just trying to say that there another part of his attitude that seems to get in his own way.  Or whatever.  I dunno that I want to waste time trying to figure him out tho, it's very distracting from the search itself, IMO. 

You have a good heart, Titch.   ::MonkeyKiss::  I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning too.  And some of negative began to overwhelm (for me) the positive in him, unfortunately.  This is just my own experience, and am saying what it is, cuz there are so many others who have also pulled away from him, who cannot or will not explain why, leaving yet others scratching their heads, not knowing wth to do or think. 

In my own honest to gosh opinion, if the man ever wants to be on a level playing field with the other SAR teams that LE uses, then he needs to start with making his a non-profit SAR team. 

Oh wait.. he can't.  Not in Oregon or Washington, according to his past legal chit. 

But he *could* do something about his attitude, which would likely endear himself and his team a great deal, to other SAR teams and LE in those states.  IMO. 

 

I agree with you both!! 

Am figuring this is why the man posted what he did, in an effort to make known his treatment by the very people who seem to be 'putting out to the public' that their every concern is to find Kyron. 

The public needs to become aware of at least one man's experience with those depts. 

How could LE not take that bloody sock seriously - especially considering there's a child missing and the sock appears to be that of a child?!?   ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't know anything about the track reackerd of I.K.9.S.A.R.S. but I think it's commendable they are doing the searches without reimbersment.  I would like to see TES involved, as I know there track reackard and believe they could be successfull with all there knowledge.  Maybe KH, DY and hubby sould countact them?

And then one questions why some people don't get involved? At least this man did everything he could to get involved and help  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree Klaas.....if my son were missing, I would do and say EXACTLY what LE told me to. Kaine only wants to find his son, and I'm sure he and Desiree are not going to say anything that would jeopardize the investigation and efforts to find Kyron.

If Kaine, Desiree, and Tony's answers seem scripted, it's probably because they are.
JMO

Just an FYI - Black Butte is over 3 hours south of Portland so any lack of action by LE has absolutely nothing to do with the LE in the Portland area.

Yup.

And before rumors get started...please read the article and realize this is a different case in a different jurisdiction!

I am aware of that, just pointing out some of the reasons why some people don't get involved. Many people have different reasons why they don't get involved with crimes and the police. Not saying it is right and that I would, just that it happens.

I personally feel like Mr. Professor is just wanting to get his 15 minutes.


 ::MonkeyEek::

I'm not even gonna say where I think the sock came from.

I agree, Klaas, but unfortunately after a multitude of transfers withing the 911 call system, he is finally able to seek help from somebody that directed him to the Tip Line in Portland. He left a detailed message. After he left that message, he called the MCSO and spoke with somebody. As soon as she found out he was calling in reference to this sock & Ky's case, she said she couldn;t talk to him & he had to call the tip line. IMO, that's completely unprofessional. Maybe Black Butte has several hikers a year that suffer injuries, but for this man to find a small sock with splotches of blood on it and not a single soul was able to assist him, it trully leaves me at a loss. Big possibility it wasn;t Kyron's sock, but is it worth it to not follow the correct avenue of evidence discovery? Maybe the sock was lost for a stupid reason, like maybe somebody just threw it out bc it was bloody. But maybe it was lost by somebody that was wounded & struggling in the wilderness there. Or maybe it could be linked to somebody else that's missing in the state of Oregon. With everybody else passing the buck with this dude's call, of all the calls made, I definitely didn;t expect to read that the MCSO did the same thing... It's disheartening. I feel such sadness for little Kyron.

Black Butte is midway between Eugene & Roseburg. What if?

I agree Titch. Even if it's a 1% chance ... Can't hurt to run a DNA test on the blood to see it there may be a match. Although I know it costs money..

Hi,  Black Butte is in Sisters, Or, on the way to Bend and in Central Or.  Roseburg is in Southern Or not too far from the California border.

 To make that more clear  ::MonkeyHaHa::,  Black Butte is east of Eugene through the Willamette National Forest.  Roseburg is south of Eugene down the I-5 corridor.

I was there when Black Butte first opened and it was so cool.  All the streets were paved with the natural rock which was a rusty red color.  As roads needed to be repaved they stopped using the red rock and now it is all just regular pavement.

Scandi - what is your opinion of that article?

A new week is about to begin.  When you consider the current happenings ... maybe answers regarding Kyron Horman will be forthcoming. Maybe Terri will grow a conscience ... experience genuine remore and ... reveal all.

Good Night Monkeys

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

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No Remorse

Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010

Shortly after her son, Kyron Horman, disappeared June 4, most of the missing 7-year-old’s family was in shock. There was one notable exception, Young says — Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman.

“She’s talking about her hair that she just got done, and they put highlights in, it turned out a little too orange,” Young recalled in a tape-recorded interview with WW Thursday evening. “I can’t get up every morning, put on my makeup or function even remotely normally, and she’s talking about going and getting her hair done.”

Young says she suspected Terri Horman may have been involved in Kyron’s disappearance from the moment the stepmom called her to tell her the boy was missing. And Horman’s behavior after the disappearance heightened those suspicions.

“Every single day, we’d wake up, we’d gather up, and we’d just go and start doing stuff (to help find Kyron). And she was always just kind of behind,” says Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, who also sat for the WW interview. “It wasn’t about, ‘what can we do?’ It’s about, ‘what’s being done to me, or what about me?’ It was just kind of more centered around her.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/

Thank you Scandi & Klaas. Have to get some rest so signing off. My son fractured his arm at wrestling camp this week...getting a hard cast tomorrow. :( I'm so sick of boys with broken bones that I may just write MOMMY LOVES YOU all over his cast! He's 13, almost 14, so I'm sure he'll appreciate that one! See yas, sleep well everyone!

Does Kaine have a "thing" for "power"? (Just asking)

Do you think that LE has a problem with the #1 and #2 newspapers in Oregon...enough to tell Kaine not to talk with those reporters...and, if so, why would Kaine want to go along with that when it's all about Kyron?  (Just asking)

I have no idea what that was all about but I'm not going to speculate.  I don't really know what to think about it.  Don't you think that Desiree and Tony would have some say in it?  I really don't think Kaine is controlling Desiree and Tony and they were at that same PC too.

I agree klaas....
Desiree knows Kaine....she was married to him....Tony is LE....not that it makes them above being fooled, but I just do not think that Kaine is controlling them at all....I think they are probably making alot of decisions together.....JMO

Interesting article I had not seen....dont know if its been posted and I missed it or not....

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/

I agree with both of you that Desiree and Tony would certainly have input in what goes out to the press...and...their names were on that last letter to the public, along with Kaine's (the letter about DeDe).

Everything seems so unusual about all of this and I was just curious if we had any idea "why" the LE wouldn't want the #1 and #2 newspapers to have any/all info about Kryon to go out...usually...LE wants what the release to get out to all avenues.

I guess we just don't know "why".

And didn't I read that Kaine said words to the effect about the news reporters for various newspapers: "we don't like the attitude" and "you're not playing with the team"?

 

That "ground rules" press conference was definately unusual, and as evidenced by many posters here, it put people off.

It's easy for me to give Kaine a pass on that one.  IIRC, at that time he had just learned that his wife had attempted to have him killed.  His son was still missing, last seen by his wife.  He was aware of failed and bailed polygraphs...by his wife.

It may well be that Kaine knew that members of the press had ferreted out some of this information and were chomping at the bit to ask questions for public consumption that not only could he not answer due to the investigation and preference of LE, but that he simply didn't have answers for as he was still accepting the new reality - and the enormity thereof - of what his life had become.

Add to that a shameful, though not case-related, skeleton or two and I can easily understand the decisions that were made that day.

Finally, I have always held in my mind's eye that strong embrace between Tony and Kaine at the family's first press conference, after Tony spoke first.  I think Tony has been a pillar of strength, not only for Desiree, but also for Kaine.  I trust Tony, I just do.

JMO and only MO.

I trust Tony also. 

Me three!

You know I have been thinking about this all night seeing both points of views and trying to rationalize exactly what they were doing and why, not that it is for me to judge them, they are living in a private hell I could not begin to relate with.  With that said TY is a detective and from what little I have read on him a pretty good one.  He knows the in's and outs of things they were about to have to deal with when Kyron vanished and they hit it head on, closed ranks, closed the potential of rumor mill taken over taking the focus off Kyron, Desiree has said from the moment she spoke with Terri things didn't fit, they knew they had a problem from within, imagine if on the drive the couple went over what Terri said, what they knew and he (TY) started making phone calls.

Good night monks.....I just cant stop thinking about that lil man....

This makes me feel sick!!!! Are you kidding me?????? How unconscious can can this girl get????
 
1)Kyron goes missing June 4

2)On June 5 why would TH's "BF" tweet about  "boy+water+dirt=heaven!!!" especially if their BF were so devastated?? TH is certainly following tweet's. That would be beyond cruel !!!

3) You wouldn't  tweet at all!!! You would be holding your best friend and the families hand and helping...not being totally unconscious tweeting things (cute or not) that could hurt

 If my best friends (or even just someone I know) son went missing I would be frantic/sick/pulling every favor from my sheriff father and all his "posse"...not tweeting about dirt boys and heaven....unless... I was happy or completely stupid

What the....

   
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« Reply #870 on: July 25, 2010, 02:27:32 AM »
Hi Tnmomb! I see you up there...I just read a post of yours on that GLP site. You're such a thoughtful commenter, ya know that? Just wanted to say thanks for keepin' it real. Your caring nature shows through in your posts.


I didn't get to post on the last thread. Thank you for your compliment. It seems I am in very good company here. Incredibly insightful and intuitive women and men (I think). Like you and everyone here I am touched by this boy.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I trust him as well.

It's my opinion that the FBI is guiding the media releases. The family seems to make very purposeful statements.

ok...looks like I'm just posting to myself:) I need to go to bed too...This week should be interesting.
Good night smart monkeys.

Do you have verification that this is actually what happened? Or do you just have this guy's post? How do we know he's telling the truth?

Hi Klaas,  It was an interesting look at the law, #1, with a law professor at one end of the spectrum trying to give info to the working officer/dispatcher at the other end of the spectrum, with great difficulty.  You'd think it would have been a no-brainer and it would have been handled the way we expect it should.]

I felt his total frustration as he tried to do the responsible thing, making sure LE received what could have been possible evidence.  Pooled blood on 3 spots of the tiny sock of a child would not IMO be something to disregard so I think he was correct in what he was trying to do.

The article also shows how a system can fail what with protocols and system controls that are in place to weed out calls that are maybe not viable problems for police.  And maybe there are just some officers who are not well trained or are laxidasical in their attitudes.

I am glad the professor carried thru with making sure LE got the evidence, then bringing his experience to the public.

There are 2 thoughts in my mind: 

*  He should have emphasized the two points about the sock that gave it such cause for concern.  I didn't get the feeling from reading the article that he really got that point over to LE.  It wasn't just a bloody sock found on a trail. 

*  His relating the sock to a possible connection to Kyron's case was a stretch IMO, done out of frustration and at that point, to maybe make a point.  The likelihood would be slim at best when one looks at the statistics on abducted children and the distance it was found from the scene of the crime.   It could have been Kyron's sock and might merit doing a simple forensic test to rule it out. 

Above all, Kyron was on his mind.  We all need to be watchers and can't stop just because we might encounter difficulty.  xox

See you tomoz Titch,  I've been watching the 11pm news and they said they expect some major happenings in the case in the next few days. 


One last thought tonght about what an unusual case this is LE-wise.  Of all the cases I have ever studied in the last 7 years this is the one I would expect to be solved and the victim found sooner than later.   It's because we not only have the finest of many LE teams working in the case.  But we also have 2 family members of persons very close to the case that are LE as well.  How often do we see that? 

Maybe that will be the reason this case is solved soon as it is circled by LE.  I am sure Tony has been a stantion of support for the parents and possibly helped design the strategy they have used.  And I heard Dede's dad's voice on TV, loving for his daughter and yet strong for that which is right to be done.

xox

I agree. I think it's just that simple. He's an ordinary guy thrust into this heartbreaking nightmare, and he's doing the best he can.

Post from GLP...TH friend? I checked her status and her only GLP friend is Justice P mentioned below who is also pro TH.
A lot of "inside info" unless it's all made up...what do you think/know about this? ok bed for real......


Last Edited by Portlander on 7/26/2010 at 2:55 AM;

"I'm not quoting anybody here because this whole quote thing is becoming nauseating to sift through for anything of substance. Jesus, people, stop quoting, just talk, OK?

From what I've seen here there are only 2 non-family-related people posting here that aren't "Anonymous Cowards", that have a functional brain, Justice P and lalalala. Takes all of 2 minutes to register here, so all of you AC's really need to ID yourselves if you want to do anything other than rant.

I don't know anything more than anyone does here, and can only hope that LE is doing their job. Best as I've been able to ascertain, the gardener who implicated TH in the murder for hire plot is someone she met when she worked with him as a volunteer. HE did not come forward, why? The police went to him because they knew that they had met on a project at the school in the course of their investigation of everyone. He is still in custody. Why? We don't get this information, but is he an illegal immigrant? Why else would he still be in custody? We all know how vilified "these" people are now in the US. Think about what motives he may have to concoct this story. What if the MFH plot is all BS? What MOTIVE then would TH have to kill Kyron or Kaine? At the very least if she hated Kaine's guts, he would still be on the hook for child support for Kiara. If she had Kaine killed, who would have gotten custody of Kyron? Sure wouldn't have been her. None of these scenarios make any sense logically, from what I see. Both her ex's say they can't imagine her doing anything to hurt a child. And Lord knows, James's father, who he now lives with, and the adoptive father, who apparently still is paying child support, should have been the first to trash TH. They did not. Parents who knew her as the volunteer Mom and substitute teacher at Skyline also have not.

Terri and her circle of friends apparently ALL are internet people with tracks to follow. Do any of you truly believe that someone who supposedly posted on CSI websites, etc. would be stupid enough to NOT KNOW that her cell phone records, pings, etc. could be traced?

Cindy PDX, what is your fixation on defending Desiree at the expense of all others? As has been seen and pointed out ad nauseum, there was a lack of tears for all concerned in the early news conferences before Terri was eliminated and judged guilty. Shock does that, pain does that. I'll refrain from further comments on DY, but...just glad to see that you and Tom are OK, despite your histrionics here, apparently he is business savvy."

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Desiree said that LE told Tony that he would NOT be included in the investigation. Because he is a family member,and because he had to be cleared as a suspect too in the early days, he can't get involved.

Good Morning Monkey's and Guest,  ::HelloKitty::

I hope you won't mind me posting this comment. This comment questions why someone would be silent when a little human  being is missing.
 
My opinion is DDS would get a cut of the IS but not KH.     ::MonkeyNoNo::




http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime/4053/comments-newest.html

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I wonder if there was going to be a "pay-off" for DeDe from Terri! Do you think she told DeDe that once she got the insurance money once Kaine was killed off that she would pay her "hush" money? I am really thinking it was a possibility, what other motive would she have to stay quiet for Terri? NO ONE is going to stay quiet in a missing child investigation unless there is a motive!! OR OR...Terri "tricked" DeDe into being involved! Maybe she has "dirt" on DeDe and DeDe is afraid that Terri will put the whole think on her. Snip...

Morning Monkeys and guests,

Following Seahorse's link - http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime/4053/comments-newest-2.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime/4053/comments-newest-2.html)

I read several posts about blocks being taken from DD's condo. Has anyone else heard that?
There is a photo here -  http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=block.jpg (http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=block.jpg)

And I found this post to be very interesting -

patty July 25, 2010 at 10:57PM
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I will try to find that article for you. I know it was when the FBI was at her condo on Thursday.SO if I don;t get back to you ,you canlook up info for that day. I also read somewhere where DeDe sent Kyron's glasses to thepolice with a letter.I will have to look for that too.Sorry, I have started to save things now so I have them.

I had never heard that before, or even suggested that DD could have been the one to send the glasses. I wonder if it holds any truth.

Search for Kyron Horman: More Questions Than Answers as Mystery Nears Second Month
A Sheriff's Office Statement Says Investigators 'Hope' Kyron Is Still Alive
 
Post a Comment By MIKE von FREMD and SARAH NETTER
July 26, 2010
After thousands of tips from across the globe, the search for missing Oregon second-grader Kyron Horman wound up this weekend right back where it started -- at his Portland elementary school.

Searchers descended on the property in and around Skyline Elementary School for several hours Saturday even as authorities assured the public that it was part of a routine search and not in response to a specific tip, according to ABC's Portland affiliate KATU.

In a report issued to the media Friday, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office seemed to have little information about the boy's whereabouts, nearly two months after he vanished from the elementary school after an early morning science fair.

"We are continuing to hope Kyron is alive and will proceed under that premise," the Sheriff's Office report read, in response to e-mailed media questions.

Bruce McCain, a retired captain with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, questioned the use of the word "hope" in the statement even though the report also speaks of "significant progress" in the case.

"That is not really good news because what we were hoping for is, 'We have evidence to believe that he is alive,'" he said.

The Sheriff's Office also noted that Kyron's stepmother,Terri Horman, has not spoken with police since she retained a prominent Portland criminal defense attorney several weeks ago.

"It is very possible that there is simply no evidence in this case," Northeastern University professor and criminologist Jack Levin said. "My sense is there may not be a body or blood or crime witnesses and the police were hoping by playing a good cop approach to get a confession from the stepmother. But she hasn't confessed, she lawyered up."

Horman has not been charged in Kyron's disappearance or named a person of interest, but investigators have made it clear they believe she knows more about the case than she has let on.

"She may be innocent," he said. "We don't really know."

Police appear to be pressuring more of Terri Horman's friends.

Two women told KATU this weekend that police questioned them in relation to the case. One of the women said she was given a polygraph test and her home was searched.

Horman has also been pummeled with intense scrutiny, most of it coming from her own family. Her estranged husband Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, has publicly pinned his son's disappearance on her more than once.

Kaine Horman released a scathing statement last week alongside the boy's biological mother, Desiree Young, accusing one of Terri Horman's close friends of helping her orchestrate the boy's disappearance.

DeDe Spicher was identified by law enforcement as a confidante of Terri Horman and, according to Kaine Horman's statement last week, she's not cooperating with investigators.

"She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son," read the family statement, accompanied by a picture of Spicher. "Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well."

The Oregonian reported that Spicher, 43, was spotted by a witness leaving her job for about 90 minutes on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared from his elementary school. She was gone, the paper reported, around the same time the boy is believed to have vanished and that a second witness reported not being able to reach Spicher on her cell phone during that time.

"We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators," the family's statement continued. "If we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter."

McCain, noted Friday that the continued updates on the investigation that have been coming from Kyron's parents are unusual for a complicated criminal case such as this.

"There's been absolutely silence from this investigative team. Everything we're learning about this is coming from Kaine and the Youngs," he told "Good Morning America."

It could be an orchestrated move by police to increase pressure on Terri Horman, he speculated, or it could indicate a rift between Kyron's family and investigators.

Kaine Horman Refuses to Give Up Hope That Son is Alive
The family's statement comes one day after ABC's Portland affiliate KATU reported that Terri Horman had told Kyron's teachers and classmates that he would be out of the classroom that Friday at a doctor's appointment, giving the school no reason to expect him back after the science fair that morning.

But Terri Horman has been vague with investigators, the affiliate reported, later telling detective she was referring to the next Friday, June 11.

"Clearly even school children were aware that he was going to the doctor that day and they expected him to be at the doctor that day so now after the fact to say, 'I didn't know it was that day, it was another day' it is weak," former homicide detective C.W. Jensen said.

The school had faced immense scrutiny in the days and weeks after Kryon vanished after Horman told investigators that she last saw Kyron before leaving the fair and only realized he was missing when he didn't get off the bus that afternoon.

"That now gives about a six to seven hour window ? in which no one was concerned about his whereabouts," McCain said, calling the move "carefully orchestrated."

Terri Horman is also being eyed in an alleged murder-for-hire plot in which she allegedly tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine Horman. Kaine Horman quickly filed for divorce and fled the family's home with the couple's 20-month-old daughter. He was granted an emergency restratining order keeping Terri Horman away from him and their little girl.

A judge evicted Terri Horman from the family's home earlier this month.

Terri Horman and her attorney have declined to comment on the allegations made by Kyron's parents. Her lawyer, Stephen Houze, said that his client has been receiving death threats and that the media frenzy surrounding the case has morphed into a "witch hunt."

Police said they've received more than 3,000 tips and the district attorney has subpoenaed 200 sets of records.

Kaine Horman, told "Good Morning America" earlier this month that Terri Horman seemed to change after the birth of their 20-month-old daughter, Kiara.

"She went through some post-partum depression after the birth and her emotional state was more erratic," Horman said.

Young said she didn't believe Terri Horman from the beginning when she called to tell her that Kyron went missing from his elementary school.

"There was just certain details that just didn't make any sense that gave me that sick to my stomach feeling," Young said.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-nears-month-questions-answers/story?id=11249574

My thoughts are that Kaine, Desiree and Tony have been doing exactly what LE requested.  If you look at the timing of that interview it was right before the LS was to participate in the sting.  I think LE got wind of the fact that both the Oregonian and WW had found out about the LS guy and being so close to the time for the sting did not want any questions about the LS surfacing.   Just my opinion...because after the sting  Blink, the Oregonian, WW broke the story of the LS.

Good Morning Monkeys

KIRO TV in Seattle will be reporting on the disappearance of Kyron in ten minutes.

Janet
6:50 AM PT

Good morning Janet.  Thank you. 
Will you report back on what was said?

REMINDER - DATELINE tonight @ 10:00 p. m. est. will be covering Kyron's case and interviewing Kaine, Tony and Desiree.