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Thanks Nut! Smooth transition!

Smooth ride Nutt..Thanks

Great job, Nut!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Welcome.........night all.

What a beautiful picture to be able to admire while reading all the ugly. This whole case just makes me sick to my stomach. I thought Kyron's case was bad this one is the worse for me so far. To do such horrible to such a beautiful child as Zahra.  These people should be stretched and quartered like in the old days.  JMO

Made it over here without getting lost!  Thanks!

Has anyone heard anything about where Adam Baker is since he got out of jail?  Probably with his family in a motel room?  His family has stayed under the radar.

easy ride thanks, who is going to go and get these guys, i cant drive, ive had 2
of these  ::monkeywine2::

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I can't think of a punishment bad enough for these two pos. Death would be to easy.

I will go fetch them!

I really hoped when I got home tonight I would see that Z would have been found. The poor mother, no matter what the reason she gave or had this child taken away, she must be suffering. I feel bad for her. Not for AB or any other person that failed this little girl.

I so hope that this will be the thread that discusses where Zahra's remains have been found and whether or not the state is seeking the death penalty!

i forgot who was asking about the b4 pics of house here are some in
crankycrankerson Zahra album

pg 1&2 pics of the yard search, 10/28-10/27/2010,...21 21st nw ave

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=0

b4 the dig
pg 17&18 pics of the house on... 10/10-10/11/2010,...21 21st nw ave
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Zahra%20Baker%20%20-NC-/?start=680

This is just gorgeous!

That is what is the most heartbreaking.  We don't know what Zahra's favourite colour is, what she liked to do, what she wanted to do, what music she liked to listen to, her favourite book etc.  There is NO ONE standing for her right now.  Almost like not one person in her family knew her  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Zahra Baker search: Crews continue digging in Hickory  (with video)


HICKORY, N.C. -- Investigators returned for a second day of digging and sifting in the backyard of the home Hickory where 10-year old Zahra Baker lived until she disappeared nearly three weeks ago.

Investigators again used a backhoe to turn over piles of dirt, mulch and wood chips before painstakingly using rakes and sometimes just their hands to look for clues.

Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins arrived at the search site around noon to watch investigators as they worked.  Adkins said that a new, sealed, search warrant had been issued that give police access to the yard and the inside of the house.

Adkins would not say what investigators hoped to find, only that they returned to the house based on new information that had been provided to them.

Elisa Baker, Zahra's stepmother is now cooperating with police. Investigators will not say if information from her led them to search the yard or if she told them the location of a prosthetic leg that was discovered earlier this week in Caldwell County.

Zahra wore a prosthetic leg but police are awaiting medical records to see if he the leg is a match to the missing girl.

Charles Bost lives next door to the Baker house. From his yard he had a close-up view as investigators combed through wood chips and mulch.

He wishes things could have been different.

"To think I live so close to something this horrible and couldn't do anything about it," Bost says.

While he wishes there was something he could have done, Bost says he and his wife never saw Zahra at the house and whenever they talked to Adam Baker, her father, he never mentioned that he had a daughter.

"I'm beginning to think the child was never here. But I don't know that," he says.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Investigators-Cotinue-to-Dig-at-Zahra-Baker-House-106146038.html

You are right!  Seems like Grandma Baker is just laying low.  Zahra had no champion until it was too late and that makes me very mad.   ::MonkeyMad::

While he wishes there was something he could have done, Bost says he and his wife never saw Zahra at the house and whenever they talked to Adam Baker, her father, he never mentioned that he had a daughter.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  What were they doing with Zahra, did they have her captive someplace so if she screamed or cried nobody could hear her? I just don't understand otherwise, because surely someone would have heard something.

I hate to say this but it is as if they are looking for bone fragments and teeth  ::MonkeyTears::

I just thought of something.  If Zahra's remains were scattered all over that yard, wouldn't those cadaver dogs have been hitting all over the yard?  I dunno... this is so horrible to even think of.

Investigators spent Thursday searching the area around the Bakers’ Hickory home. (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25550639/index.html

I just can't let my mind go to what they may have done to this precious child of God. There just has to be a special level in hell for these folks.

And I can't let go of what may have been going on with that man who paid ten thousand dollars from London.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does anyone think it could have been the same type of thing as they said with Haleigh?  Could Zahra have tried the drugs she saw them using and died? Then they had to get rid of the evidence? ack

From the video  - close up of what they are collecting in bags in the two images I grabbed.  It is at 1:08 if anyone wants to see it
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25550639/index.html

I didn't think about that  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What in the world is that in that picture?  ::MonkeyEek::

no rose


no rose, i know its hard to think about, but deaf people dont scream
at least the deaf people i know, we were in a car acc, and F&O did not
make a sound, they moaned very low after, more like a bad humming
sound.i know a few more deaf,and they dont laugh out loud, cry out loud
just sounds, like what is that saying under your breath,or something

No idea.  At 1:07 he is still holding it.

I doubt it.  I think it's more likely that Zahra died from a beating or from an infection from an ill fitting prosthesis.  I think they killed her or simply let her die. 

I didn't think about it before either.  Just all kinds of things running through my head right now.  But seriously, how can her remains be scattered all over the yard and the cadaver dogs not hit there?

I do have hope that this case won't stall for months or years. I do believe that remains will be found and when that happens, the justice process will begin.

Northern can you grab a couple of shots near the end of the video, when they are showing the big white tarp or sheet or whatever that is?

Oh, I'm sorry I didn't know that  ::MonkeyNoNo::

You bet

The way I understood it... Zahra wasn't deaf.  I thought she just couldn't hear some sounds distinctly.  And she could talk very well.  I think she would be quite capable of screaming out.... just from seeing her talk in the video.

I hate to say it to Klaas but that was my thought also.  ::MonkeyTears::I pray I am wrong I really do.

One more of the thing in the bag I grabbed a hair sooner.

No Rose

I hope that Elisa's computer hard drive is being checked very carefully by LE.  I pray that her connection with that man in England had nothing to do with Zahra.

Nevertheless ... there are many lonely people who will disregard the red flags and ... do a lot of compromising for that thing called "love".  I believe that Adam could have been one of those lonely people.

Janet 

i missed that vid, did she speak like a hearing person, if she did then,yes she
could scream

I just watched the video 3 times and the tarp is not in it.  Are you meaning the video from earlier today from the chopper?

cw... yes she did... that is why I feel she would have been capable of screaming out.  I think this will be like all the rest of these cases... we will never know what happened to this beautiful young child.

Yes the chopper video, I tried to capture it but couldn't. I want a closert look at that.

I agree. There were just some sounds she had trouble hearing without her hearing aids. She spoke quite well, IMO.

Hi Green Eyes!

I think that thought is in the back of all our minds.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am here......I was lost!! 

at around 56sec, this vid says AB mom and brother are here,and bailed him out
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25550639/index.html

CBB thanks for sharing your heart and your talent with us....This picture for some reason brings a peace to my soul.....I know now that Zahra is safe and happy.

White tarp/cover in backyard

remember this at 34sec, AB is asked if he had anything to do with her disappearance
AB says no
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25550639/index.html

My cousin was born hearing but due to an infection lost her hearing completely at the age of 13. She screams loudly!  I think it must be because she was a hearing person. Also because she was a hearing person before losing her hearing, she spoke very clearly....learned to read lips  and of course sign.  She fools many who first meet her, she read so well. So i think it may depend on if the person ever heard or not.

I sure hope so also, because whatever was going on, and that kind of money involved  ::MonkeyNoNo::  And I don't know how to put this the right way, but for me I can't imagine a man paying money like that for Elisa, but I sure hope so, that Zahra wasn't subjected to something like that.

I would think they would be using the sifters for anything that small, not a back hoe!  But I don't know what they know. Sure would love to see those search warrants!!

No Rose,
I pray that is true as well.  God, the sweet little thing went through so much in this life as it is...... please not that too.

Thank you Northern Rose. It looks like a white bedsheet then when you zoom in it looks more like styrofoam. Anybody else got any idea?

Thanks, Sunny. What evil Zahra was victim to, is erased for her and I believe with every fiber of my being that she is whole and feels more love and joy than she could ever have imagined.

What came to her through her caretakers was because of choices they made. All we as a society can do is to protect others from their choices, and seek justice on Zahra's behalf. It's hard for me to even imagine what true justice would even look like. Whatever they face, it's not enough, IMO.

By the way......... you keep getting lost because of those Big Girl Panties! If you insist on wearing them, walk, don't run out the thread door! It's hard to move when they fall around your ankles!   ::MonkeyWink::

I am terrible trying to figure out things like that....it looks like a big white trash bag or plastic bag

I can't figure it out, darla. It almost looks like a fabric, maybe a sheet, covering a scoop shape.

I don't know what it is either but it looks to have an edging around it and it DOES have a scoop shape to it at the small end.

I have turned it every which way but can't figure it out.

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: I need some new elastic in these BG panties...I have had them on for a long time ! 

I know this doesn't make sense, but it almost looks like a baby carrier under a sheet.

I am also, especially when it was in Caylee's case, but it kind of looks like white cloth of some kind.

I think it looks like a cloth laundry bag, and I hate to even say that.

I am just gonna email the newsroom and see if they will have an answer.

Looks like some sort of canvas bag to me.  Could it be a chain saw bag or something like that?

http://www.husqvarnachainsaws.co.uk/acatalog/Chainsaw_bags.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/4.jpg)

Posted by wattle on Oct. 28, 2010 - 2:15 p.m.
No sorry mate. I was hoping that his bond would be made bigger so that he could be kept in custody.

Reports here have said that Adam Baker is a fantasist and a liar. Zahra's mother has health issues which made her unable to care for Zahra appropriately. Zahra's maternal grandmother sought to be given custody, but recent changes to our Family Law Act (as a result of 'fathers rights' campaigners) mean that even when a father has a history of abuse towards his wife or children, he still must be considered for being granted custody. Australian law and child protection measures have erred big time in this.

Your police department and the people of Hickory have been brilliant in the way you've conducted the investigation in very difficult circumstances. If Zahra was not loved in her own home, then she was certainly loved by the people of Hickory and nearby counties.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/27/19/prosthesis-found-christie-road-ar-488386/#comments

i turned the white thing,and it almost looks like a weird garment bag
i inverted the color, not sure it helps to id it

Oh CBB, you outdid yourself on the beautiful scene with Zahra in it.  She looks so happy and peaceful.  You do good work.  I hate to see then digging like they are doing because it makes me think like others they are looking for bits and pieces. I pray she is found.  You know, at first, I thought they may have sold Zahra but they would have to do to much explaining.  Just hope she is found soon and the scuymbag parents can be charged.

To me it looks to have a nozzle and a ring at the top of the wider end.  Maybe a leaf blower bag?

I own 2 chainsaws and they come in hard cases to protect the chain so it doesn't get dull. I've never seen one in a soft case.

You just said a mouthful IMO. That's just it, isn't it? I say a lot of things when I'm following these horrific cases about children, but if it came down to actually torturing their killers, there would be a point where I would stop when faced with anyone's agony.... I think. Maybe we should be grateful that we just don't have in us the sort of evil they have. Maybe if we did, we wouldn't be so different from them. I don't know. I'm perfectly fine allowing someone to administer a lethal injection, but that's far less than what some killers do to their victims. Our Justice isn't perfect. Maybe that's best?

When I first saw it, I thought it was some sort of bag with a body in it.  My heart dropped!!

I think there is a metal hoop in it at the narrow end like in some lawnmower bags.

Wow, wonder what health issues Zahra's mom has? A fantasist?

What is a fantasist?  Is that someone who lives in a fantasy world or fantasizes about life?

That is what I wanted to know, I have never heard of that word before.

Yeah, but it looks awful white to have been used as a leaf bag and also with all the rain and storms there for 2 days .If it has been there it would have been dirty.

Dictionary definition:
fantasist [ˈfæntəsɪst]
n
1. a person who indulges in fantasies
2. (Business / Professions) a person who writes musical or literary fantasies

I'm going to put that truck in the picture next to the bag. Maybe it will give us a better idea of what size it is. BRB!

They met on a site where you create your own characters and world.

Yup it is very white and clean looking.  Let us know what the news desk says!

that is right and gothmom was 26 and thin and sperm donor was good looking and had teeth for their little walking pictures 

Oh yes of course..... I guess that is what is meant here.

Hi Sunny and all--I know a person who is just as you said.  Lost her hearing due to an infection when she was an adult.  She speaks as well as anyone I know, read lips, and you would really never know it unless you turned your head when you say something.  So those who know her always speak directly to her.  No problem.  I'm sure she could scream if the occasion arose.

I guess a fantasy of living with a drug addict, gross woman, and not saddled down with a child  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Right too white to have been out in the elements you would think.  Maybe belongs to one of the search team members?

Well, THAT was a lot of help.   :roll:  Sorry guys, I hoped it might be.

Thanks for your valliant effort CBB.  I think it is a cover of some kind but that is about as far as I can go with it.  Has it been there all along?  Or is it a cover for something one of the searchers is using?

I just called the newsroom and the girl there said she would try to find out and call me back. So if I hear back I will post.

Thanx Darla.

You are welcome bananas, it will bug me to death til I find out what it is. When I first saw it today I thought it was maybe covering up a body.

 

 ::MonkeyDance:: Oh Good!! Thank you darla!!

It looks like it may have at one time been a ghost decoration in a tree, the kind you let flop around in the elements. Could have blown down (or in from somewhere else) during the storm.

It was reported that LE was there all night last night.

I am willing to bet it is a cover for some equipment they used in the yard.

On the 11:00 newscast. Chief deputy says 2 new leads brought them back to the house.Neighbors asking why they waited 3 weeks, and reporter said chief deputy said they did searches in areas that were more apt to be places the body could be. Chief Deputy says they are not looking for the smoking gun, which I took as not looking for the body on the property, but have found some evidence but not saying what that is.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25538458/detail.html

Latest news posted on wsoc

I cannot find the post to quote, but someone mentioned that we don't know anything about what this angel enjoyed (favorite colors, foods, etc.). I contacted someone that did know Zahra and asked some of these questions. I sent this person a quick note yesterday just to offer support and a prayer and they emailed me back to say thank you. Hopefully, we will hear something back. It would be so nice to know that there were things she enjoyed, rather than just thinking of her as someone that only suffered.

Thank you pfaubush!

That would be very nice.  I have to go rest up now.  Tomorrow I won't be on here too much.  Babysitting my twin grandbabies!  I love getting to spend time with them every Friday right now.  Hope the searchers find what they are looking for and can find some justice for Zahra.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25538458/detail.html

Investigators said they return Friday to the Hickory home of Adam, Elisa and Zahra Baker to try and find evidence in the 10-year-old's disappearance.

Some residents told Eyewitness News they don't understand why it took investigators so long to search the backyard.

"It's surprising they waited this long," said Hickory resident Sandra Cummings. "This was her home, I guess, and neighbors acted like they never even knew a daughter lived here."

I also don't understand why they weren't so thorough the first, second, third... time they visited their home.

Goodnight monkeys!

That was me. Thank you!

Neighbors Wonder Why Police Waited To Search Missing Girl's Backyard (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25558914/index.html

You're welcome. Your post made me realize just how little we really do know about her. There had to be more to her than just being a victim, and when a case moves quickly like this one seems to be, that other side can sometimes get lost. I hope I worded that correctly. I guess I'm trying to say Thank You, Northern.

More evidence taken from home
Investigators working around the clock
(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/118718/evidence-dig-3/)

HICKORY --
Investigators spent the 20th day of the Zahra Baker search digging through piles of firewood brush and mulch behind the small brick house where the 10-year-old was last seen alive.

About a dozen investigators including officers from the Hickory Police Department, FBI, SBI and K-9 teams converged to conduct a thorough search of the house at 21 21st Ave. NW and the home’s backyard.

Hickory’s Street Maintenance Supervisor Doug Dupel used a backhoe to gently scrape through layer after layer of mulch and chipped limbs in the backyard of the house the Bakers rented. Hickory investigators David Rockett and Rob Burwell spent the day shifting through leaves and mulch in the back yard with rakes.

They used pink flags to mark where they’d been.

“It’s right there. It’s right where your stick is,” Dupel said.

The investigators stopped digging while Inv. Mike Beach shot a picture of the item then got a plastic evidence bag about the size of a Ziploc sandwich bag. He labeled the bag, tucked a piece of evidence inside and stowed it in the back of his Crime Scene Investigations SUV.

The scene was repeated throughout the day.

Investigators conducted a similarly thorough search of the Burke County site where Real Tree Services, the company where Zahra’s father Adam Baker worked, on Oct. 12, three days after Zahra was reported missing.

It is unclear why investigators have returned their focus to the family home, an area that has been searched multiple times since Oct. 9.

“This investigation has taken several turns since Zahra was reported missing,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department. “Information uncovered during the investigation brought us back here. We’ll follow it until the lead is exhausted.”

He was not specific about what investigators were searching for.

“We’re looking for any evidence that may be associated with this case,” Adkins said. “We’re going to take whatever time we need to complete the search.”

Jennie Bost lives next door to the Bakers and said it’s been difficult living beside an active crime scene.

“Having this go on next door, it’s been a nightmare,” she said. “I hope she’s found. I’ve given up hoping she’s alive.”

Bost said she also never saw Zahra—or any other children—at the house

When investigators began digging in the Bakers’ yard Wednesday,Bost said there was one area she thought investigators wouldn’t find anything – on the property line between Bost and the Bakers, Bost said that’s where Baker removed two tree stumps

“It was about three or four weeks ago when Adam chewed those stumps up,” Bost said. “I saw him, and knew he only chewed up those tree stumps.”

Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, remains in the Catawba County jail under a $97,200 secured bond. She was charged with obstruction of justice following her Oct. 12 confession to investigators that she’d written a fake ransom note demanding $1 million. She has also been charged with more than a dozen additional crimes unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance stemming from nine arrest warrants served on Oct. 10.

Attorney Scott Reilly is representing Baker on her current charges. Attorney Lisa Dubs has been provisionally assigned to the case in anticipation of possible murder charges against Baker.

She has communicated with police investigators through her attorneys and has accompanied them to multiple search areas.

Adam Baker turned himself in at the Hickory Police Department at 3:12 a.m. Monday. He was arrested on charges unrelated to the disappearance of his daughter and jailed under a $7,000 secured bond. The charges include five counts of worthless checks and failure to appear.

Baker bonded out of jail Wednesday after bondswoman Rebecca Potter of Plan B Bail Bonds posted his bail. His attorney is Mark Killian, who practices locally. There has been no provisional attorney appointed by North Carolina Indigent Defense Services, as with Elisa Baker.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/29/more-evidence-taken-home-ar-492127/

So Adam lawyered up:

Mark L. Killian
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Email: click here to contact

 
Practice Areas
Social Security Disability; Social Security Appeals; Criminal Law; Speeding; Traffic Violations; DUI/DWI; Drug Crimes; Wills; Civil Practice; Collections 

http://www.killianlawnc.com/Firm%20Info/Lawyers/1405083.aspx

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http://www.lawyers.com/North-Carolina/Hickory/Mark-L-Killian-P-C--1405081-f.html

You worded that perfectly.  We know so little about this precious child and  I am sure she had many things she liked that did make her smile and light up her face with happiness.

I was telling my husband about the tiny pieces of evidence being dug up with a back hoe. He said they were probably just breaking up the ground in order to sift the soil. Has anyone noticed the searchers sifting? I haven't seen anything like that, but everything in the pictures seems to be just out of sight.

Awesome CBB and thanks so much from me too.  I can almost picture little Kyron down by the stream with his tree frog as Zahra smiles knowing her guardian angel is coming to protect them both.  I do hope all of the little children are spending their days in a place as beautiful as this.

That white object looks like a bag that you cover clothing is while you travel or storing it in a closet.

I wish they would have arrested these two douchebags on "unrelated" charges..umm..BEFORE they disappeared the little girl.

Gaah..  ::MonkeyMad::

This coming Monday, the Catawba County Grand Jury convenes at ten o'clock. Sources say it is possible that Baker could face more charges later that day.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13407560




About 3/4 of the page down bio-mom is posting. She has been vetted by Val.
Val also shares two baby pictures of Zahra, that bio-mom passed along to her to share.
What a doll she was! Breaks my heart.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/#comment-84296

I mean I get a ticket and panic like I'm going to prison if I'm 2 seconds late paying it..while these heros can just have all these "cases" against them forever!!! If Zahra hadn't gone missing would they still be chuggin around free? It's harder to follow the rules than it is to not follow....sorry just irks me. Like would I get to commit crimes and never have to deal with it if I were just a bit more cracky?? grrr..

From the link above:

Here she is in 2000 as a bucket full of happy beautiful baby!
(http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/ZH/zahrababy.jpg)


And here she is in 2001, the last time her mother, her maternal grandmother and aunt, would see her:
(http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/ZH/zahratoddle.jpg)

HT CBB  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/Zahra-Animated1.gif)

I wonder if psycho-mom shot her.  They could be looking for bullet casings.

The backhoe could be used to uncover the gun if it was buried.

Remember EB was accused of having a taser and a gun?

But then, we are still back to where's the body?

Thanks, pink angel! I copied the post from Biomum. The link is above:


» biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 06:10:04 }
it seems I have woken with no more news than when I went to sleep. With the time difference between Australia and the US I have had a lot of reading to do this morning. Since finding this blog site, and reading all your writings, I haven’t felt so alone or lost. Being so far away, hearing things from those of you that are local makes me feel that bit closer to everything.

I want to thank Valhall for her support through this. It is true that this is the only place I have been making posts, or any comments. I’m not sure why exactly, but after reading the educated discussion before making my first posting, I had this feeling of safety and compassion, but also honesty without being offensive. As she said, I am happy for you to ask me questions, and if I am up to it I will answer them best I can. I am finding helping you all to understand quite cathartic, and makes me want to do something other than cry and sleep.

*I noticed that a lot of you are curious about Child Support. There are a few ways you can pay your CS payments in Australia, in this case I make automatic payments to the Child Support Agency (CSA, which is federal) and they then electronically transfer it to his nominated account. Our federal Privacy Act prevents he or I from gaining each others details, but (for example) if DFAT (dept of foreign affairs & trading) were to need to find me to give authourity for Zahra’s passport, then as a Gov agency they could access it. (as far as I have been made aware).
I was in contact with CSA earlier this week, and he has not breached their guidelines by going to the US, as the US is an “affiliate country”, or something along those lines. And as I was finding this out, they also made me aware that when they were made aware of her “disappearance”, they automatically put a hold on my payments as of the date she was reported missing.

*As for Adam himself… I must admit that I have always been drawn to the “bad boy” facade, but note “facade”. I was 18 when I met him, and as far as I know he had no criminal record. I was fully aware of some “mischief” he had, and was, getting up to, but thats all it was, teenage trouble making. My mum and sister warned me of what they were seeing, but as they say “love is blind”. next thing I knew I had no contact with my mum and sister, and for some reason believed they were just trying to not let me be happy. I had lost contact with my friends, and was pregnant and living at his mothers house.
Looking back with older, more worldly eyes, it is easy for me to see the manipulation and all the signs, but we all know what they say about hindsight…. I still didn’t know the complete truth until the week Zahra went missing, this month. My mum and sister had not told me, all those years ago, that while I was in labour with Zahra, Adam and his mother wouldn’t even let them in to see me. Even after her birth it was him and his mother. My mother and sister have felt all these years that she was never going to be mine, she was always going to “belong” to the Bakers. That hurt to find out, and I feel so much pain for them. I understand why they would not tell me that, but it must have been so hard for them to keep that inside for so many years.
As for what happened in detail, I will leave that for another post. I am just spewing out information as it wants to come out, so sorry if I ramble. I have never really told this complete story to anyone, even my friends all have just a little piece each.

I think I need a break, and umpteen more cups of coffee. I will be making several posts today, simply because I am feeling more and more comfortable with you all, and the more I seem to release in this “anonomous” way, the less fear I have of the media when I do get to the US….

keep up the awesome investigative work, you are all wonderful for caring so very much
hugs to you all.

Hi Monkey's,

I keep thinking of the Doctor's, Specialists, Nurses, who worked tirelessly, with Zayra to help her recover from cancer.

Zayra fought through all pain and agony, only to be tortured those closest to her.  What was Zayra just a paycheck to her

father?  Was he getting a check for Zayra?   ::MonkeyJustice::

The photos of Zahra break my heart.

dont the LE have to,have some legal basis for a warrant,or probable cause
or something like that

Those are precious photos of Zahra!

CBB, thank you for the lovely image you made of Zahra and the angel!  It is so touching! 

The post by the biomom is so sad to me. I feel so bad. If her story is true, then Adam is even more evil than I thought. Poor Z had family that wanted her and he took her away from them.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

could this have been the turning point for EB & AB, they were going to
lose Zahra benifits,IE:(their drug $$ ?) because biomum could come an take her
those 2 are the right and left arms of the devil, just F evil, JMO

 biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:11 }
just some snips

after several of those previously mentioned coffees, and watching some Ellen (who I love btw, she always makes me laugh regardless of what’s going on), I am back with some more rambling…
it had been pointed out that maybe I should explain how I found out Zahra was in the US the week before all this mess started. I will do this, but please understand, even I had trouble believing that I found her the way I did… It is a “6 degrees” situation which absolutely dumbfounded me…

Now, to how I finally found my baby
to get the most unbelievable part out of the way, I will just use the word FACEBOOK…
As I have said previously, my family and I were constantly searching the internet for Zahra and any of the Bakers. I had put their names into FB, MySpace and Bebo many times before and only come to dead ends. Now, I don’t know whether these people thought I had given up, or just plainly “slipped up”, but on October 5th I was doing my usual search and up came a Karen baker on FB that I had not seen before (no profile pic). I clicked on her name and she had a private profile, but I could see her friends list, I thought i would go through that to se if any of the family that I knew was on there… (over the years I have become somewhat of a PI, and found ways around things). next thing I’m not knowing what to do because I found her youngest sons name, Adam, and Karen’s sister (who he first ran to when h left Wagga with Zahra). I knew I had the right profile… I didn’t understand why I had searched for Adam on there before and never found him, but that was because I limited the search to Aust, which I would soon find out was not the best idea.

skipped paragraph..........its about her freind,who helped her connect

This all happened mid morning, and by that night my friend had arranged with her mother to email me some updated pics she had of Zahra. I didn’t wanna believe any of it, but then I received the email I just looked and cried. I just could not stop crying. I was looking at my own childhood photos, and then as I kept looking I found ones that looked just like my other daughter who is with me… it was amazing… I’m bawling now remember those feelings…. here was this beaautiful young girl, smiling, looking so happy. I had absolutely no reason to think she was anything other than happy and well cared for.
Then came the news, that they had moved to the US 2 years ago. I couldn’t believe it. they didn’t know where. I was just staring at the pics wondering how the hell to find out where she was and how they did this when i noticed in one pic she was hold a certificate from school, so I zoomed in and it said “Granite Falls Elementary School”. I was straight onto google and then all of a sudden, by expanding my search there were pics of her from when she received her hearing aid, and again she looked so happy and content.
I asked a favour of my friend and her mother, to ask Karen if we could find a way to communicate, if even by email, to find out what was going on. The response to this was a flat out NO, which I guess didn’t really suprise me. I then sent the emails to my sister and mother (who are now 6hrs from me as I only recently moved), and Zahra’s godmaother. they were also understanbly exstatic… we had found her

That amazing high was extremely short lived. I was walking on clouds, everything looked more colourful, I couldn’t stop smiling and then I got a phonecall from the friend who got me the pics, I was assuming with more good news, I so very wrong….
all i remember was hearing “she’s missing”, and I didn’t understand. she wasn’t missing becuase we’d just found her, she wasn’t missing anymore. She told me to get online and I would understand, to type in her name like I usually would….. I still didn’t understand. had Adam somehow found out I knew where there were and concocted some elaborate prank to throw me off…. was it all mistaken identity… was it a different Zahra Baker from Australia….. I can’t explain what i was feeling, it think I just went numb, I can’t really rememebr to be honest. I had just found her, she COULD NOT be missing.
I rang my sister and told her to “google” zahra and she could barely understand me. Not thinking that she was at work I just kept telling her to search for her that she was missing and it was everywhere…. I don’t think I still really understood what it was all saying. She wen to shock immedately aswell and we were both making no sense…
Once I had finished that call I had to somehow tell my mother. This was gonna be a hard one as she was in hospital recovering from fluid on her lungs, turn out it was the best place for her, as they ended up “assisting” her to calm done. She broke my heart, she just kept saying, “but no, we just got her back, we just got her back. how can they take her away again..”" I t was so hard being away from them and having to break this horrible news…
as we all know things \have just gotten worse from there. Hearing them remove the amber alert and change it to a homocide…… how to handle that? ther eis no book to tell you what to do. there are no pamphlets telling you what to do next.. I just curled up in a ball and cried. I cried from the physical pain that I was feeling, from the anger that someone could do this to her, for my mother and sister who were so far away, and at that point, and of anger with myself, that I had somehow let this happen.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/#comment-84296

Good Morning Monks...thanks for posting these pictures.....obvious to me this child was loved and happy when these photos were taken. Thanks to Val for giving her Mom a safe place to post.

Possibly a discarded white hazmat suit?  The hood part; maybe the little white thing at the end is a chin strap?  Just a guess.

http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo_of/year/1027311KWP/Workers_in_Hazmat_Suits

Oh how precious!  Thanks for sharing these, pictures from Val's site, pinkangel and texasmom.  Sweet little Zahra! How precious.

Thank-you for bringing those posts over from Zahra's mother.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Is it possible for this to get worse? I can just look into Adam's eyes and see nothing but a drug addicted, angry, violent being. IMO

The flood of emotions running through me after reading Zahra's mother's posts is...I don't even know. It makes me wonder if Zahra was killed because she was getting close to finding her. I knew, from reading her posts, that there was something about Karen Baker that didn't ring right with me.

So, last night I messaged Aaron Young after already contacting him once and getting a reply, asking about some of Zahra's favorite things. Here are those messages:
My letter~
I hate to bother you, but am wondering somethings. You can tell me to mind my own business and that is ok. I belong to a site that follows missing children cases and a lot of people are wondering about some of Zahra's basic enjoyments. She has really touched all of us, even though we know nothing about her. We are all just wondering what were her favorite colors? music? foods? etc. So many people keep asking these types of questions and it would be so nice to be able to think of her in some of the enjoyable moments rather than just a child that was always suffering. Not sure if that makes any sense or not.

Regards,
Paula

His reply~
That makes perfect sense. It is hard to tell you Zahras "favorites" because she loved EVERY thing. If zahra felt bad any day she would still try to cheer up and make everyone else happy or smile. I dont know what it was about Zahra but every time I was around her she made me feel so good, made me smile, just made the whole day better. She had a Wonderful Attitude! She listened better than ANY kid I've ever met. If I had to describe her in 1 word it would be PERFECT!!! She loved playing with littlest pet shop. Just an outstanding wonderful kid full of joy laughter and smiles with a heart of pure gold. We love her so very much! :(

I wonder if she was ever allowed to own a pet??

what cute pictures of Zahra..this is getting sadder, if that is possible... ::MonkeyTears::

it was said that she had cats..but I believe that she had to leave them behind on one of the moves...

Maybe Klass can do her special magic and surround one of Zahra's photos with Cats and kittens...

And I will not even let my mind go to what they may have done to the cats  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I sit here in more pain after reading Biomum's post and do believe her.  I got the feeling that KB was a control freak just by her actions on FB and can see her sister still carrying on the same way, control, bullying, telling people what they can post and can not, jumps all over anyone who mentions Adam in a negative way and jumps even harder if anyone shows compassion for Biomum etc so this must be the norm IMO.  My heart breaks for Biomum and her family.  To know Zahra had a mother, sister, Aunt and Grandmum who held her in their hearts and just found Zahra to only find out she is missing a few days later  ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::   ::MonkeyTears::

::MonkeyNoNo:: This is all so disgusting, and I just can't imagine what mom and their family are going through  ::MonkeyAngel::

 biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:06 }
Val

it was this timing that had me in complete disbelief. Was it karma/Fate that brought me back to Zahra now, to help fight for her..? or was it my finding her that could have triggered these events? these are questions I have tried to stop asking myself because I was driving myself into a very dark and miserable place.
I understand that some hteories as to what happened are horrific, and noone wants to think of them as a reality, but it is these things I, and my family have to prepare ourselves for. In this circumstance, if we don’t accept the worst now we will never handle when whatever truth is revealed.

there is one point I do ant to put “on record”, that to me is very important. While I am far from a fan of the Bakers, I do have to give some appreciation and thanks to Karen, GM. From what I can understand of Zahra’s medical records, it was Karen who nursed her trhough her cancers, and was te one to take her to most of her Physio appointments etc. while I despise the fact she had part in keeping Zahra from me, I thank her for being there during some of Zahra’s worst times.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/#comment-84296

Thanks pfaubush.

Here is one playset:  The Littlest Pet Shop "Get Better Center"
http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=F1A11CFD-7242-1014-A30E-8FEE9644E90D&product_id=23434&src=endeca

TONS of YouTube videos of kids playing with the toys.
One example of a LPS Hair Salon play session.  Cute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lo5mBjqk4&feature=related

Littlest Pet Shop home page (Hasbro):
http://www.hasbro.com/littlestpetshop/en_US/

Online game:
http://www.lpso.com/?lang=en_US


Maybe Zahra liked the kitties the best?   :cat:

quite a few new images of the backyard search here

http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/25548990/detail.html

Elisa Baker to appear in Catawba County court

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- Elisa Baker is back in court Friday, appearing on charges unrelated to the disappearance of her 10-year-old stepdaughter Zahra.

Baker was scheduled to appear in Catawba County court on charges of writing worthless checks.

Baker is now cooperating police in the search for Zahra, who was reported missing on Oct. 9.

This week, investigators located a prosthetic leg in Caldwell County. Zahra wore a prosthetic leg but police are awaiting medical records to see if he the leg is a match to the missing girl.

Investigators would not say if Elisa Baker provided the information that led them to the prosthesis.

Investigators have also been digging in the backyard of Baker's Hickory home. On Thursday, investigators used a backhoe to turn over piles of dirt, mulch and wood chips before painstakingly using rakes and sometimes just their hands to look for clues.

Hickory police Chief Tom Adkins would not say what investigators hoped to find, only that they returned to the house based on new information that had been provided to them.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Elisa-Baker-to-appear-in-Catawba-County-court-106304413.html

Inside Elisa Baker's Rap Sheet (with video)

When it comes to showing up in court, Elisa Baker is not very reliable.

We found that out while uncovering Court documents against her.

Her arrest warrant contains just a few simple facts, Baker's mug shot, her address, and the charges she faces.

But so much of what investigators have found out relating to Zahra's disappearance remains confidential.

According to Catawba County District Attorney Jay Gaither, "It is a judicial decision. It is done for the integrity of the investigation, or for the protection of witnesses."

He would not talk specifically about the ten-year old's disappearance. But said in many cases the contents of search warrants are not released because it could jeopardize the work of Police. "If it could hamper or hinder the investigation, then we'd seek, but they'd be sealed."

We've also learned more about Elisa Baker's history with the courts in our State in recent years.

According to documents we uncovered at the Catawba County Courthouse, Baker has been a no-show for 15 traffic violations in several counties going back to the 1990s.

Meanwhile, it may be months before we find out what investigators have taken from a number of search locations they've scoured to find the missing child.

The D.A. has been tipping his hand, but will only say that some cases deserve this level of scrutiny. This coming Monday, the Catawba County Grand Jury convenes at ten o'clock. Sources say it is possible that Baker could face more charges later that day.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13407560

Hmmmmm. Maybe it's nothing, but about "the littleset playset". Does it seem to you guys that the toy is a little "underaged" for a 10 year old? It's the only specific Aaron mentions.

My grandkids lost interest in them when they were about 7yrs old

They have virtual Littlest Petshop Pets, perhaps she enjoyed those?

Some kids still play with dolls and that sort of thing until they are 10.  It's possible Zahra didn't have many toys.  :(

Elisa was not brought into the courtroom. Her current attorney Scott Reilly, was appointed to represent her on the minor charges too.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

Her case on the minor charges now continued til Dec. She remains in jail.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

My 8 year old granddaughter plays with the Littlest Pet Shop things.  She has loved them for a few years.  I do believe she is starting to outgrow them now as she is approaching the age of 9.  I thought the same thing.  I wonder if he has spent much time around Zahra in the last year or so?  Maybe he is remembering this from when she was younger. 

The boimum story is breaking my heart.  What really happened here?  This is all so sad and demented.

Oops... I meant BIOMUM story. sorry.

I'm just not comprehending what they are all looking for. I guess the only conclusion for me is they burned Zahra's body, or in some machine and then spread her all over the yard? I really hope that all they are looking for is just evidence that is needed and not a body, so puzzling when I look at the pictures.

That is the same thin i was thinking, b/c wasnt he the ex of E, and E has been married to AB for 2 yrs if i remember correctly..so Zahra would have been quite a bit younger if thats when he is referring to.

I was at a gathering/party awhile ago and was laying on the florr with an adorable girl who was probably only 3 or 4 (cant remember) and we were playing with these pet shop animals, and she had a folded up catalog/brochure thingy she whipped out and showed me all her favorite pets and which ones she wanted to get next...

but then again i busted my barbies out until about 12 yo and would play with my lil sister and such, so its hard telling.

(wow, sloppy fingers with not much coffee...sorry for all the errors!!)

just so sad to think that she had no one in her family who knew her, or got her so to say, and even in cases like that usually one of their little friends comes forward and says what their favs were and such, but not for Zahra, seems she wasnt allowed to have friends once she was pulled from school  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(My thought, mirrored; though I haven't really checked out the video game.)

Perhaps she was too ill to play with it the way she would have liked when she was younger because of her prolonged illness and chemotherapy. Perhaps she was making up for lost time. I don't find it odd that she may have hung on to these experiences a little longer than other children.

Yes, this is probably common in children who have been through overwhelming life experiences.

OTOH, there is an online "virtual world" which is rated at this review site for ages 7 and up.

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/website-reviews/www-hasbro-littlestpetshop.html
What Parents Need to Know
This review of Littlest Pet Shop VIPs was written by Dana Cotter

Parents need to know that this site requires the purchase of a stuffed toy to participate in the virtual world for one year (Kids can borrow a pet and register one time to explore the site with a three-game limit). Otherwise, Littlest Pet Shop plush toys are available for about $15 at hasbrotoyshop.com and several other online retailers. Currency is Kibble coins, earned by playing games and doing activities. Outside advertising doesn't exist, but there's a clear intent for kids to add several VIPs to their account.
===

I have never even heard of this game you are all talking about  ::MonkeyEek::

Had a dream last night that Zahra had been found in a back yard.  Don't know if it was THEIR backyard.  Weird.  I remember it was like I was watching a news report and all the backhoes sitting around a dug up area and LE standing around and a flash of her...she was very very very thin.  :(  Awful dream.

So...if they aren't looking for the 'smoking gun' in the back yard...I am wondering do they already have it?  Or some/part of it? 

Also - they searched the father's work place first, correct?  I wonder if he borrowed equipment from his work to do the mulching, stump removal, etc on HIS property.  Perhaps it wasn't until after they search his work site that someone found info showing he had taken equipment home in the time being questioned...and perhaps THAT is what led them back to the property. 


Has it been mentioned whether any of HER belongings have been removed from the home as evidence?  Clothes...toys...sheets?  Or has any of this been seen by onlookers?  I do wonder if they were trying to 'dispose of her' with the recent biomom's discovery of her.  Did they remove everything they could of hers?  Were there much of her belongings even left in the house? 
I guess the 'disposal theory' might not make sense since they tried to do the whole fake kidnapping deal.  Maybe they realized how it would look if biomom showed up one day and Zahra was nowhere and then in a panic came up with this kidnapping plan? 

Just thinking 'outloud' here.

Just an FYI to those also following Caylee's case. Casey's back in court in 5 minutes.  ::MonkeyWink::

Here is a pic of Aaron Young holding Z at a birthday party, I believe it was a party for SM's I can't find the info where this was mentioned, believe it was on one of SM's Facebook or other that has since been locked.  Z looks to be a fairly good size so am assuming it was perhaps in the last year or so?

Littlest Pet Shop

http://www.hasbro.com/hasbrokids/default.cfm?page=Brands/BrandHome&brand=755

Zahra search teams are back at Christie Road sight where prosthetic leg was found earlier this week.
http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

My 10 year old still likes to play around some with her Littlest Pet Shop occasionally. I also have a almost 13 yr old granddaughter who will not part with hers. They have been her favorites forever. She has them on shelves now in her room, will move them around and put their houses in different places about once a month. But if you ask her she does not play with them anymore, only "collects" them.

 ::rhino::

Although my nine years old graddaughter appears to have left her "little pets" behind in the past year as she has moved on to other interests ... it is only an appearance.  Little Miss Muffet treasures her "collection".  On her nineth birthday ... her 12 year old brother gave her two "new" pets/characters.  She was thrilled.

Janet
   

You know....it's a shame that her Bio mom was out there really looking for her.  Why couldn't they give Z back to her mom if they didn't want her anymore.  She had someone out there looking for her who loved her.  Ughh this case makes me so angry!

Wow. 

Everytime I turn around in this case, it's something more devious than the last time I read on. 

Has anyone read Biomum's account of how Zahra was taken by AB from her?  O am curious to know how he wound up with her and this saga began.

**CBB~ Very nice, emotionally soothing picture.  Always an excellent job!!

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25564797/detail.html
Police Return To Site Where Prosthetic Was Found
October 29, 2010

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Investigators are returning to the area where a prosthetic leg believed to be 10-year-old Zahra Baker’s was found earlier this week.

The prosthetic was found off Christie Road in Caldwell County late Tuesday afternoon, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins said. Police are still working to positively confirm that it is Zahra’s prosthetic through a serial number.
investigators haven’t said why they are returning to the Christie Road area or what specifically they are looking for there.

Police have wrapped up their search of the yard around the Hickory home of Zahra, her father and her stepmother. Investigators spent Wednesday and Thursday digging up areas around the home. They photographed and removed several items from the ground and collected them in plastic bags, but have not said what those items are.
They also spent time inside of the home, and are expected to continue going through it over the weekend. Police confirmed they have a search warrant for the property, but it is sealed.

The search for Zahra is now in its third week. She was reported missing at about 2 p.m. on Oct. 9. Her father and stepmother told Hickory police officers that they last saw her sleeping in her bedroom at about 2:30 a.m. (Click here to listen to the 911 call made to report Zahra missing.) An Amber Alert was issued and a massive search for the girl ensued.
On Oct. 12, Adkins announced the cancellation of the Amber Alert and the decision to investigate Zahra’s disappearance as a homicide. She was last seen by someone other than a family member on Sept. 25, police said.

Police have searched several other areas in the investigation into Zahra's disappearance, including a wood pile in Burke County, a nearby pond, other homes where the Bakers had lived and a Caldwell County landfill.

The landfill search centered on a mattress belonging to Zahra that had been disposed of by her parents sometime in early October, police said. After three days, investigators concluded the search.

However, on Tuesday, officials said a mattress found at the landfill matches the description of the one they’re looking for. An employee found it while re-grading the area that was searched.

The mattress is being tested for DNA evidence.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/zahra-baker-search-106304413.html
Search for Zahra returns to Caldwell County
October 29, 2010

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Officers investigating the disappearance of 10-year-old Zahra Baker have returned to the location where they found a prosthetic leg earlier this week.

Investigators have expanded a search area along Christie Road outside of Hudson.

The Caldwell County Sheriff's Office would not say why searchers have returned to that area.

Zahra Baker wore a prosthetic leg. Police are awaiting medical records to see if the leg found earlier this week is a match to the missing girl.

Meanwhile Friday, Elisa Baker was scheduled to be back in court Friday, but the case was continued until Dec. 17.

Baker was to appear in Catawba County court on charges of writing worthless checks.

Baker's attorney, Scott Reilly, said in court Friday that he will be representing Baker for all charges against her, including the obstruction of justice charge that she faces in connection with her stepdaughter's disappearance.

Baker is now cooperating police in the search for Zahra, who was reported missing on Oct. 9.

Investigators will not say if Baker provided the information that led them to Caldwell County, where they found the prosthetic leg.

Investigators have also been digging in the backyard of Baker's Hickory home. On Thursday, investigators used a backhoe to turn over piles of dirt, mulch and wood chips before painstakingly using rakes and sometimes just their hands to look for clues.

Hickory police Chief Tom Adkins would not say what investigators hoped to find, only that they returned to the house based on new information that had been provided to them.

I'm seeing this headline in the article, but I can't find anything in the article or anywhere else that leads me to believe at this time Zahra has been found.  The two previous articles I've posted indicate the search has moved back to where Zahra's prosthesis was found and perhaps it's possible she could be found somewhere in that area, I don't know.  I just want to address this:
NOT YET SUBSTANTIATED< IMO>
http://www.topnewspress.com/zahra-baker-possibly-found-parents-arrested/871134/
Zahra Baker Possibly Found, Parents Arrested
October 29, 2010

The police in North Carolina have claimed to discover a prosthetic leg in the woods which could be possible to belong to 10 year-old Zahra Baker, and Australian girl who has been missing in North Carolina for a month now.

The girl’sfather and her stepmother have been arrested. They were charged of writing bad checks. The arrest charges were not linked to the missing girl, but the police are suspecting them of kidnapping the girl, as they have continuously searched the home of the family and are looking into a residence where Zahra’s stepmom lived three years ago.

Most have related this story with the “dingoes ate my baby” case– in which a woman named Lindy Chamberlain believed that a ‘dingo,’ which is a wild dog-like creature of Australia had ran off with her 10-week-old Azaria. Later, a bloody hand print was found on Azaria’s clothes, which brought doubt over the story, and Lindy was sentenced to life in prison for murdering her child, while her husband was found guilty of being an accomplice.

But it was after four years that a hiker found a piece of Azaria’s clothing near a dingo den. The case was overturned, and now Lindy is seeking reasons here daughter’s death certificate amended.

For Zahra, there is still hope that she will be found alive. But the hopes will dwindle as time passes by.

The parents’ actions are suspicious as they had thrown out the girls mattress, they made a delay in reporting her missing, they placed a fake ransom note, and some of their relatives say the stepmom was abusive.

Prayers for the girls continue around the state. We still do not know what has happened yet and we must all hope for a good outcome for Zahra Baker.
***************
I haven't found anything anywhere that indicates Zahra's been found-nothing in this article indicates it, imo. 

As much sense as this would make to all of us, i am going to guess part of the reason is she was $ for him/them, as Biomum stated she pays child support for Zahra to Adam, Direct deposit to an acct as i understand....

So sad this poor child, and it makes it so much worse knowing that some of her family really did lover her and want her

 ::MonkeyEek::

very weird muffy! that they would have a title like that then not even one sentence to that effect in the article?!?!?

I hope it's true.
LE is not releasing all info as it becomes available so there's a strong possibility that it is fact.

I am so sad for little Zahra.

She seems like she was a breath of fresh air and a blessing to be around.

It bothers me that if Step Mom has been co-operating, wrote the ransome kidnap note and placed it on the vehicle in her own yard. She has a good idea where Zahra is. Something has got to give. I also think Mom had an accomplice with everything being discarded

Zahra you deserved much more baby girl. Justice is coming soon!

BBM....wouldn't this entitle her to see her child??? couldn't she have traced him down through this direct deposit account? this is so unfair..mom really wanted her baby, payed her child support and was still unable to see this child? how does that work???  I bet that Zahra was told that her mommy didn't love her and didn't want her or to see her...bet she was never told that her mom paid child support for her...grrrrr!!!

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Zahra Baker Case Sees New Evidence -- Have Police Found Missing 10-Year-Old?Saul Relative Saul Relative
Wed Oct 27, 4:38 pm ET
 
The latest news out of Hickory, North Carolina, is that authorities might be close to breaking the case of missing 10-year-old Zahra Clare Baker, who was reported missing by her parents on Oct. 9. WBTV in Charlotte reported that new evidence and the cooperation of the girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, has moved the investigation along in the past few days. It is not known as yet if Zahra's remains (police have presumed the child to be dead since the third day of the investigation into her disappearance) have been found, but developments seem to indicate that a major announcement regarding the case is imminent.

A special news conference has been scheduled by authorities for Wednesday afternoon.

The news conference follows the release of information from investigators Tuesday that they had been receiving cooperation from Elisa Baker, Zahra's reticent stepmother, since Sunday. They also acknowledged that they had removed Elisa from her Catawba County jail cell Monday and had taken her to at least two search sites.

Investigators also released information that a mattress fitting the description of Zahra Baker's recently discarded mattress had been found at a Caldwell County landfill that authorities had been searching for for several days. The mattress was believed to harbor DNA, and samples had been sent for testing.

Tuesday's announcements not only followed the accompanied searches on Monday but also the early morning arrest of Adam Baker, Zahra's father, at a Charlotte international airport. Baker told authorities he had gone to the airport to pick up some relatives. He was asked to come back to Hickory for questioning and was subsequently arrested on unrelated charges.

Elisa Baker, who was also arrested on unrelated charges the day after Zahra was reported missing, is considered a person of interest in the investigation. Two days after the 10-year-old bone cancer survivor was reported missing, the stepmother confessed to writing a ransom note Hickory officers found on one of the Baker vehicles in the yard earlier that day when they had responded to a yard fire. The note had been addressed to Adam Baker's employer, demanded a million dollars, and said they had his daughter. A subsequent check found the employer's family unharmed, so police left. About eight hours later, Adam Baker called and told them he hadn't seen his daughter all day.

Although police started the investigation as a missing person case, they soon began to have suspicions of the Bakers' story. They couldn't find anyone who had seen Zahra Baker in weeks. Cadaver dogs found the scent of human remains in two of the vehicles parked on the Baker property and on property -- specifically, a wood chipper and a mulch pile -- owned by a co-worker of Adam Baker's.

Police began focusing on the case as a homicide on Oct. 12, three days into the investigation.

But Elisa had grown uncommunicative after confessing to writing the bogus note. Until Sunday.

WBTV also reported that crews had returned to the Baker house in Hickory Wednesday. They were reportedly digging with a tractor and searching through mulch piles.

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snipped from just posted article:

The latest news out of Hickory, North Carolina, is that authorities might be close to breaking the case of missing 10-year-old Zahra Clare Baker, who was reported missing by her parents on Oct. 9. WBTV in Charlotte reported that new evidence and the cooperation of the girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, has moved the investigation along in the past few days. It is not known as yet if Zahra's remains (police have presumed the child to be dead since the third day of the investigation into her disappearance) have been found, but developments seem to indicate that a major announcement regarding the case is imminent.

That appears to be an old article from Wed Oct 27, 4:38 pm ET.

Investigators returned Friday to the area where a prosthetic leg believed to be 10-year-old Zahra Baker’s was found...(video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25568732/index.html

Police Return To Site Where Prosthetic Was Found
Updated: 5:19 pm EDT October 29, 2010


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Investigators returned Friday to the area where a prosthetic leg believed to be 10-year-old Zahra Baker’s was found earlier this week.

The prosthetic was found off Christie Road in Caldwell County late Tuesday afternoon, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins said. Police are still working to positively confirm that it is Zahra’s prosthetic through a serial number.

Investigators haven’t said why they are returning to the Christie Road area or what specifically they are looking for there. Police did say that they received complaints of a foul odor in the area, but said they think it may have come from a dead animal found nearby.

Police have wrapped up their search of the yard around the Hickory home of Zahra, her father and her stepmother. Investigators spent Wednesday and Thursday digging up areas around the home. They photographed and removed several items from the ground and collected them in plastic bags, but have not said what those items are.

They also spent time inside of the home, and are expected to continue going through it over the weekend. Police confirmed they have a search warrant for the property, but it is sealed

MORE...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25564797/detail.html

Search for Zahra returns to Caldwell County  (with video)

 
CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Investigators spent Friday searching a site in Caldwell County where a key piece of evidence was found in the Zahra Baker case earlier in the week.  Police again closed a stretch of Christie Road and searched a wooded area that some residents use as an illegal dumping ground.

On Tuesday police found a prosthetic leg in some bushes in the same area.  The missing 10-year-old wore prosthesis and police are still checking medical records to determine of the prosthesis they found belongs to the girl.

Neighbors were surprised that police were back at the same spot again. One neighbor, Thad Hall, said he even volunteered to help search.

“I’d help in a minute,” he said.  “You should probably get some of the local neighbors, some of the older people like me, that know like where the roadbeds are.”

But police say searching for evidence is something only trained investigators can do properly.

The search lasted several hours and investigators would not say what they were looking for or if any important evidence was found.

MORE...

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/zahra-baker-search-106304413.html

Hi all Monkeys!!!!  I agree Roxie...what idiots...but what I was thinking was this...EB wrote the ransom note, stuck it in the vehicle, doused the vehicle with gasoline....THEN realized that she could not start it on fire because then she would burn up the ransom note and they would not have a reason to call the cops...BUT what I wonder is...if fire crews came up there earlier to put out the fires...how is it that no one noticed at that time...the vehicle that had gasoline poured on it...surely the odor would have drawn attention.  Definitely a drug induced plan.

BIOMUM, if your reading, please dont (what if), it took me 22yr
to stop what IFing, every single day, and 4 rounds of therapy
sometimes it still creeps into a dream, and wakes me, what i got
from the therapy sessions is....you cant know, so whatever you said
or did would not have made a difference, in the real life situation
mine was IF i had not walked away, maybe i could have stopped it
and that weird mind reading thing i can do sometimes, didnt happen
at that moment in time, and that is the thing that bugged me the most,
ya know, WHY didnt i hear his thoughts, then maybe i wouldnt have
walked away
if you are what IFing, please seek therapy,or it will drive you crazy
 and therapy may have to be for a long time, take care of yourself,
 rest assured i have faith that the peoples of the United States of America,
and our justice system will do their best to seek justice for Zahra
i do feel so badly, that Zahra has so many advocates after the fact
one more time,please rejoice in what you have, not what you could of had
my experience tells me that will help keep you level, and forward thinking
i hope im making sense to you

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Search for Zahra being scaled back after week of progress
Posted: Oct 09, 2010 7:05 PM PDT Updated: Oct 29, 2010 2:52 PM PDT

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Investigators scaled back a search at the Hickory house where missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker lived.

At the same time, the search resumed in Caldwell County along Christie Road, where what is believed to be the child's prosthetic leg was found late Tuesday. The search was expanded from the area the leg was found to include both sides of the pavement along the two and a half mile road.

Two teams with investigators and cadaver dogs walked along the highway. "They weren't cutting back brush, just walking and looking," said Caldwell County Sheriff Alan Jones.

Back at the house in Hickory, investigators were gone by lunchtime, but an SBI investigations truck was parked in the driveway, crime scene tape was still up around the property, and two Hickory Police cars with officers inside could be seen.

One guarded the front of the property, the other, the back. Officials acknowledged it was a sign that they are not finished looking at the house and the property just yet.

Since Wednesday, crews have been sifting through mulch piles, wood piles and holes dug by a backhoe. SBI investigators were also spotted inside.

Officials say it has been a week of progress with the prosthetic leg being found, a mattress in question being discovered at the landfill and Elisa Baker talking with police.

Despite that, they say a lot of work is still ahead before they have the answers to the mystery surrounding the disappearance of the ten year old girl.

 ::monkeyscissors::

BIOMUM, my condolences.  I know the feeling of lost babies and the uphill struggle to find them when you are not in the same country as them.  I also know the battle against the courts when you are not in the same country as your children.  I know my above post was...well...if you are reading...I am sorry.  I will hold you and Zahra in my prayers...it is the best that I can say when I know very little can bring you comfort.  As CW618 said...there will be justice.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/632109/identifying-prosthetic-leg-as-zahra-s-may-be-difficult

7:15 PM
Identifying prosthetic leg as Zahra's may be difficult

By: Jennifer Moxley

HUDSON, N.C. – After a second search of Christie Road Friday, investigators left without any new evidence. That's the same area they recovered a prosthetic leg from on Tuesday.

Saturday marks three weeks since 10-year-old Zahra Baker was reported missing. Since then, Hickory Police have been searching for Zahra's prosthetic leg.

When investigators found an artificial limb Tuesday, the police chief said they would have to match the serial number to Zahra's medical records. However, a prosthetic expert said that's not so easy.

“That's kind of a long-shot because all the prosthetic parts are not identified by serial numbers,” said Randy King, an Orthotist/Prosthetist. “Some feet are, some feet are not. So you're chances are probably pretty slim.”

Police were not searching in the Baker's backyard on Friday. They maintain a 24-hour police presence at the home and it is roped off as a crime scene because they plan to return.

Well, they need to see if Zahra's DNA is on the leg!

What are the odds of someone else disposing of a prosthetic leg in this county at this time. I would say probably a million to one.

Exactly, and yes there has to be DNA on that leg I would think.

i think all the stuff with the prosthetic leg, is a formality for the legal issues,
like as what has been said a mill to one, a jury would feel the same way im sure


thanks novella, you said it more concise and to the point, ive had a couple of foster children
no child naturally, so hard for me to know that feeling, not sure it would be the same
but some how i think maybe not

Yes well everyone knows it is her leg but the police have to PROVE it.

Biomom's postings are so sad. If the two events are connected, there is no way she could have known. Her intentions were to find her daughter and rightfully so, she did nothing wrong.
But it has to be asked, is there away they moved Zahra so the biomom would not find her? Or I suppose if she was in bad shape they put this plan in motion to cover themselves. This case is heartbreaking.
 

 biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:07 }
Val,

I have had no communication with Karen, it was through my god friend and her mother. Karen would have nothing to do with me, and actually proceeded to “badmouth” me to my friend….
I can’t remember the day I got the response, as it was via “facebook chat”, but I got a text from my friend on Oct 12, and she was upset because of the horrible things karen had been saying about me, and was feeling heartbroken at the fact she had to break the news to me about Zahra’s disappearance.


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/#comments

I am wondering....let's say LE has found a tooth, or bits of bone belonging to Zahra  in the search area.  Would they then have to prove that the leg is Zahra's?  I mean, what kind of co-inkydink would that be.  Most likely there are not that many child amputee's in that area.
I think LE will get enough evidence to make a case against one or both, I am hoping for both.

Chances are a normal person would donate to a childrens program for the under priviledged rather that trash such an expensive gift.

some of the comment to this article are .....
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/29/more-evidence-taken-home-ar-492127/#comments

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/zahra-bakers-mother.html

What are the chances of someone disposing of a prosthetic leg in this country at this time with the fingerprints of AB or EB or both, after the police have been advised to search this particular area by AB or EB?

Elisa Baker in court for worthless checks
Baker has more than 20 counts in several counties still pending against her.


NEWTON --
Elisa Baker did not appear in court on Friday alongside her attorney, Scott Reilly. He asked to be appointed as Baker’s attorney for her worthless check charges in Catawba County.

Reilly already represents Baker on the charge of felony obstruction of justice in the case of Baker’s missing 10-year-old stepdaughter, Zahra. Baker admitted to writing a false ransom note, asking for $1 million.

Zahra was first reported missing on Oct. 9 by her father, Adam Baker. Zahra, a cancer survivor, lost her lower left leg to the illness, as well as part of her hearing. Her prosthetic leg was not found at the home when she was reported missing, but her two hearing aids were. Someone outside of the family last saw Zahra on Sept. 25. Zahra’s disappearance has turned into a homicide investigation, with investigators searching several locations in Caldwell, Burke and Catawba counties. Most of the spots are related to where the Bakers used to live.

Baker was scheduled for court Friday for seven counts of worthless checks: four under her married name, Elisa Baker, and three under another name she sometimes uses, Elisa Young. The worthless check charges Baker was due in court for on Friday were:

$64.88, Fresh Air Galaxy

$136.49, Food Lion

$122.47, Food Lion

$158.04, Food Lion

$243.53, Walmart

$80.98, Walmart

$110.57, Walmart

Baker also is facing one count of failure to return rental property to Aaron’s Sales and Lease Ownership, a rent-to-own store, under the name of Elisa Young. Some of the offenses date back to 2002.

Judge Amy Sigmon appointed Reilly on Friday to be Baker’s attorney for these charges.

Baker is also facing several worthless check charges in Caldwell County. Reilly said it hadn’t been discussed yet if he would be her attorney in those cases, but said for efficiency’s sake and because it’s the same judicial district, it would be prudent for him to represent Baker on those charges, as well.

Baker, 42, is currently in jail on a $97,200 bond. Her next court date for the Catawba County worthless check charges is Dec. 17.

Elisa A. Baker’s upcoming court dates
-Nov. 1: Burke County, worthless check, Elisa A. Proctor

-Nov. 3: Catawba County, felony obstruction of justice, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, driving while license revoked; fictitious/revoked registration card/tag, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, operating a vehicle with no insurance, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor fraud disposal of mortgage property, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, driving while license revoked, unsafe tires, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, failure to return rental property on which there is a purchase option, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 23: Lincoln County, worthless check, Elisa A. Young

-Nov. 29: Alexander County, driving while license revoked, Elisa A. Young

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/elisa-baker-court-worthless-checks-ar-495550/

This is what happens when you are too tired to have a conversation and should be in bed!! haha

OH, MODERATOR!!

CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE MY LAST TWO POSTS??

THANK YOU!!

Removed 3  ::MonkeyCool::

Huh?  Monkeyking.... are you posting in the wrong place by accident? 

I just read what Zahra's bio mom wrote about how she lost custody of Zahra and then lost track of her.  My heart goes out to her.  This happens all the time.  One parent runs off with them and nothing can be done if there have never been any formal custody papers drawn up before this happens.  I hate it!

Um, how can you tell?  Haha!

How did AB wind up with Zahra?  I'm not clear on that.

I wanted to watch a video with a woodchipper just to see if a body can fit into one.  I don't know what kind AB uses for work. 

There are plenty of tree service video's on youtube.

Do you think the particles at the end of the video are too large for what the police have been picking up at the Baker home?

they could have directed where the wood chips went, as in a piule or hole dug.

http://www.youtube.com/v/y27UlD4Te_Q?fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/v/5yA-B-Kop08?fs=1

More wood chippers.....

The Woodchipper Murder Case
By Mark Gado

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/woodchipper_murder/11.html


"I'll Take Care of It in the Morning!"

On January 11, an arrest warrant was issued in Newtown Court for Richard Crafts. It was a culmination of weeks of intensive and exhausting police work. That same night, at about 9:00 p.m., a dozen Connecticut state troopers and detectives responded to 5 Newfield Lane to arrest Richard Crafts. They surrounded his ranch-style house and called Crafts on the phone. He was ordered to come outside the home and surrender.

"I'm tired. I'll take care of it in the morning," Crafts replied. When police insisted he surrender immediately, Crafts became angry.


Danbury Court

"Don't call me back!" he shouted and hung up. After a nail-biting series of phone calls and promises of surrender which were never fulfilled, Crafts agreed to come outside. His children were still inside the house asleep. At 12:30 a.m., Crafts told cops over the phone, "I'll be out in five minutes!" A short time later, a distraught and disheveled Crafts emerged and surrendered to the police. After an arraignment in nearby Danbury court, he was taken to the Bridgeport jail facility to await further developments. His bail was set at $750,000.

**SNIPPED/MORE AT LINK....

Silly MonkeyKing tonight...... LOL

Did you read the bio mom story at this link?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/zahra-bakers-mother.html

OMG... froze her first..... how do these evil people come up with this stuff? 

Gak!  I am going to bed and hope for some good dreams... not nightmares like these.

No, I did not.

Thank you, Bananas!

You are welcome.  I am going to finally go to bed.  Good night.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/warrants-served-adam-baker-while-jail-ar-495586/

(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/118182/hdr_adam-baker-mug/)

Published: October 30, 2010


Warrants served on Adam Baker while in jail
By Sarah Newell williamson

While Adam Baker was in jail for several warrants that Hickory police served from Caldwell County, he was also served with outstanding warrants from Catawba County, as well.

On Monday, police arrested Baker, 33, after he voluntarily came in for an interview at about 3:15 a.m. He was arrested for five counts of worthless checks, three counts of communicating threats and one count of failure to return rental property. The charges all stemmed from incidents in Caldwell County.

“At the time, we knew about the warrants in Catawba County and intended to serve (those) to him at the same time,” said Capt. Thurman Whisnant with the Hickory Police Department. “However, those are paper copies and we had to wait for the clerk’s office to open up.”

Baker was served with the Catawba County warrants, which are for four counts of worthless checks, while he was in jail, Whisnant said. Baker bonded out of jail Wednesday afternoon.

Baker is the father of missing 10-year-old Zahra Clare Baker. Zahra was first reported missing on Oct. 9 by her father, Adam, although Hickory police believe she’s been missing longer than that. Zahra was last seen by someone outside of the family on Sept. 25 at a furniture store in Hickory. Zahra was in the store with her stepmother, Elisa Baker.

Elisa, 42, is currently in jail for writing a false ransom note, in which she demanded $1 million. Police charged Elisa with obstruction of justice. She has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance.

Police initially called Zahra’s disappearance a missing persons case. On Oct. 12, that was changed to a homicide investigation.

Several areas have been searched for Zahra or for evidence in connection with her disappearance, including a landfill in Caldwell County, the Bakers’ Hickory home and several properties near where the Bakers used to live in Caldwell County.

Adam T. Baker’s upcoming court dates

Caldwell County, Nov. 18

-Worthless check

-Failure to return property on which there is a purchase option

-Communicating threats

-Communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

 

Catawba County, Nov. 19

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

Exactly!  And for a child at that and also they can get a new one just like it and people could testify as to whether it was the same, etc.  So not getting the serial number will not prevent a positive identification.

But I tend to think that the Stepmother cooperating is just a part of her throwing the father under the bus.  She will say that he did it all!

Illegal dump sites searched again

HUDSON --
Hickory investigators spent Friday searching near the area where they found Zahra Baker’s prosthetic leg Tuesday.

Investigators were checking wooded areas, illegal dump areas and walking along Christie Road about half a mile from Pine Mountain Road, said Caldwell County Sheriff Alan Jones.

“We’ve got about 20 to 25 people down there—about what we had here the other day,” said Detective B.J. Fore of the Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office. “They’ve (the Hickory Police Department) asked us to assist, so that’s what we’re doing.”

Deputies manned roadblocks at either end of the 3-mile road. Fore said residents were allowed to go to their homes, but general traffic was blocked to keep officers safe as they searched because the road is very narrow.

The search was similar to the one officers performed Tuesday.

“It hasn’t changed much,” Jones said. “They wanted to come back and take another look at the area.”

While investigators searched, Hickory police officers patrolled outside the Baker’s house at 21 21st Ave. NW in Hickory. The house and yard are ringed with yellow crime scene tape and access to the site is tightly controlled.

The Christie Road search ended at about 3 p.m. Friday and the 1.8-mile road was re-opened to traffic.

The main search area is about half a mile from the Pine Mountain Road and Christie Road intersection.

The brush alongside the road had been cut down Tuesday and cut limbs lay amid piles of trash.

A smell of rotting flesh was strong at the site and piles of small bones were interspersed with bottles, tires and garbage.

Five small animal skulls were scattered near a creek that runs through the property.

A rusted yellow gate with a stop sign hung from it was padlocked and posted no trespassing signs were plentiful.

Police are expected to return to the Baker’s Hickory home to continue their search in the future.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/illegal-dump-sites-searched-again-ar-495448/

New clues energize search for Zahra Baker

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Investigators scaled back a search at the Hickory house where missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker lived.

At the same time, the search resumed in Caldwell County along Christie Road, where what is believed to be the child's prosthetic leg was found late Tuesday. The search was expanded from the area the leg was found to include both sides of the pavement along the two and a half mile road.

Two teams with investigators and cadaver dogs walked along the highway. "They weren't cutting back brush, just walking and looking," said Caldwell County Sheriff Alan Jones.

Back at the house in Hickory, investigators were gone by lunchtime, but an SBI investigations truck was parked in the driveway, crime scene tape was still up around the property, and two Hickory Police cars with officers inside could be seen.

One guarded the front of the property, the other, the back. Officials acknowledged it was a sign that they are not finished looking at the house and the property just yet.

Since Wednesday, crews have been sifting through mulch piles, wood piles and holes dug by a backhoe. SBI investigators were also spotted inside.

Officials say it has been a week of progress with the prosthetic leg being found, a mattress in question being discovered at the landfill and Elisa Baker talking with police.

Despite that, they say a lot of work is still ahead before they have the answers to the mystery surrounding the disappearance of the ten year old girl.

The stepmother of Zahra Baker was scheduled to make another appearance in a Catawba County courtroom on Friday, but this time, the charges against Elisa Baker are not related to the disappearance of the missing 10-year-old.

Baker was not present alongside her attorney Scott Reilly Friday morning as he spent all of 30 seconds speaking before a judge on her worthless check charges.
 
Reilly, who is representing Baker on her felony obstruction charge, asked to be appointed to Baker's worthless check charges and was granted a continuance until December 17th.
 
Baker is due back in court the morning of November 3 for a probable cause hearing on her obstruction charge.
 
Meanwhile, the search for clues continued Friday at the Baker family home in Hickory and at the home off of Christie Road in Caldwell County, where investigators discovered what they believe is Zahra's prosthetic league.
Police were at the Baker home all day Thursday in their search for evidence, one day after discovering the leg.

Also, Adam Baker, who first reported Zahra missing in a 911 call on Oct. 9, bonded out of the Catawba County Jail just after 6 pm. Baker had been jailed on a $7,000 bond on charges unrelated to his daughter's disappearance.

Police said just two hours earlier Wednesday, the investigation brought them to a home along Christie Road in Caldwell County, where they found the prosthetic leg, which they think belongs to Zahra, who lost her real leg during two battles with cancer.

MORE...

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Or that he told her what to do and she was too scare of him to say no...IMO

there is a thing about the wood chipper idea, the biggest
feed in ive seen is 21", so where would the location be
to chop,cut up what your going to feed into the chipper
unless they used the frozen idea, less body fluids that
way i guess

chippers specs bottom og pg
http://www.woodchippersnmore.com/Chippers/01342.htm

Can anyone tell me what this charge means? TYIA

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor fraud disposal of mortgage property, Elisa A. Baker

i think it is sell your property, be a camper,house with land,land, mobile home ect
and not notify the buyer or the lender it was sold, IE lender has a lien on it

i filed a lien against mr b, for my car that was in paid storage of his barn, his insurance
wouldnt cover it, because, it was a commercial endeavor, by mr b,and not under
the policy, he sold the place,i was not notified, my lien was for 12,500$
mr b got fined 3k$, and since he owned no real property anymore,i sued and garnished
his wages for the debt,then he quit his job

http://www.rpfoley.com/lawyer-attorney-1219320.html

I could be very wrong, but I think it has to do with the lease/purchase agreement she signed for the furniture.

I believe in this case it is selling leased merchandise.

Woodchipper Killer Richard Crafts Passed Polygraph
Nov 27th, 2006 at 9:53am

Richard Crafts, who in 1986 killed his wife Helle Crafts, dismembered her body with a chain saw, and passed it through a commercial woodchipper, reportedly passed a lie detector test. Danbury, Connecticut News-Times writer Karen Ali reports on the case in an article titled, "Woodchipper murder: 20 years later." Excerpt:

https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1164610421

I understand an eye witness saw Mr.Crafts, operatoring a Woodchipper, in the SNOW!

Illegal dump sites searched again

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/5/illegal-dump-sites-searched-again-ar-495448/

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Prayers of support to all who love this child. My heart is with you all.  ::MonkeyAngel::

To Zahra's family....
Please know that your child,Zahra has won the hearts of many people around the world. We will never be able to fathom the heartache this has caused you but know that we will continue to seek justice for her as well as you. As a cancer survivor this has hit me particularly hard and she has become a heroine to me. A shining light of courage and beauty that not only survived but had empathy for everyone she came into contact with. She was an angel on earth and is now one with Our Father in Heaven.

TO ZAHRA'S FAMILY

The light of this beautiful child's soul has captured my heart and I mourn her loss with you.  She is in the arms of Jesus now.  No more suffering, no more pain.  I pray you will find comfort and peace after going through this turmoil.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry to introduce this, but I wanted to mention the following.

Imagine you are Elisa and Adam Baker, and you are either hysterical because you just harmed Zahra, or you are waking up from a bad drug trip after harming Zahra. Where would you go to get rid of the evidence?

According to the map, they went North.

If they got rid of the evidence as they traveled, they first disposed of the prosthetic leg on Christie Road. They continued North and went all the way to Lenoir in Caldwell county and disposed of the mattress.

If they disposed of the mattress first, then, on the way back home, they disposed of the leg on Christie Road.

My point?

1. If they were mindful enough to dispose of the leg and the mattress far from their home, would they keep the body in the home or nearby?

2. Did they dispose of the body in between those points (Christie Road and Lenoir) or they continued North on their evidence disposal trip?

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/zahrasmap.jpg)

My opinion only.

Following the previous post, the mattress could've been brought to the landfill by a waste management company after the Baker's disposed of it.

But, would the Bakers dispose of the mattress if it had obvious stains? Would they be fearsome that the people handling it would notice and call authorities?

If the mattress was disposed of in the trash, where would be a place where a dirty mattress could be handled and not be frowned upon?

JMO

I have no idea how you would dispose of a mattress. When I bought my new mattress they delivered it and took away the old one. Most places I've shopped do the removal as a service.

If the mobile home park had a community dumpster perhaps they used it and that's what they were doing when they were spotted there.

To Zahra's Family:  If you are reading here, I want you to know how highly I regard Zahra!  She had to deal with so much in her sweet life.  She was so brave in fighting and winning out against her cancer!  It is so sad to me that she then had to face this situation.  There is definitely a new star in Heaven, and she outshines the most beautiful of diamonds.  She is a treasure!  I feel so much love for this child.  She belongs to all of us.  She is a child of the world, our star child! 

This makes a lot of sense, Itaryl Moosee.  I think they need to check mines, caves, and old wells.

Both good points- but, we dont know what type of mattress it was- was it a mattress for a twin bed, was it a mattress that went on top of a bunk bed- (these type of mattresses are like thin foam) 

Since the mattress was allegedly located by the landfill employees in the area where the police searched, when the employees were regrading the area, it is safe to assume the mattress was dumped by the garbage men who picked up the trash and NOT brought to the dump by EB or AB.

They could have rolled the mattress and tied it or taped it with duct tape to cover any stains which would have alerted someone- if it was a thin mattress.  I can't think of how they would have masked stains on a regular twin mattress at the moment. 
(Put the mattress inside of a plastic mattress cover with a zipper?)

A lot of planning went into this cover-up.

Claycat, so nicely stated. All of us here love Zahra and admire her. And are so heartbroken she is no longer with us. We will be here to make sure she comes home and gets justice.

Since both the mattress and the leg were so spaced out, it seems they may have circled around.

I don't believe the mattress was disposed of by the Bakers since it was located when the staff at the landfill were regrading where the police just searched.  that says to me it was transported by the dump truck who picked up the trash from the neighborhood.

Therefore, the only thing they actually went out of their way to dispose of was the prosthetic leg.  They had no control over where the mattress went.

THE BAKERS: ::MonkeyWitch1::  ::MonkeyDevil2::

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 ::MonkeyViolin::

My thinking being that he did lumber/land clearing and he may be familiar with disposing of large items, and bringing things to the landfill may have been an option for him.

If the mattress was set out for garbage pickup at their last home in Caldwell, it must've been protected like you said with covers or tape, or something.

It puzzles me why it was not found by police after a thorough search, either they are bumblers or maybe the mattress was not exactly where they searched.

JMO

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

In North and South Carolina we have recycling centers where all garbage is taken if you live outside of town limits and do not have curbside garbage pick up. They have large containers for kitchen garbage and other large dumpsters for metals, cardboard, plastic, newspapers, and one for household debris such as furniture and mattresses. Each dumpster is labeled for what purpose it is to be used for. You unload your own garbage and then a truck comes in and loads the dumpsters and replaces them with an empty one. The trucks haul the dumpster to the landfill and dump it and take the empty container back with them. No one would have had to handle the mattress. And a stained up mattress would not have drawn attention as the recycling centers are busy as they are only open on certain days of the week. Here if you are doing a remodel or have tree limbs and yard waste, you can rent a dumpster and it is brought to your property. When full you call and they come pick it up and take it to the landfill. Very few ordinary citizens use the landfill as there is a hefty fee to use it.

As I understood it, the mattress was found where the searchers had searched when the employees at the landfill were regrading the surface.

I'll look for that reference.

Found it quickly.

The mattress discovery was made late Tuesday afternoon by employees as they were regrading the landfill in the area that had been searched last week, Hickory police said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20020839-504083.html

I found something weird.  In one article it lists the charges and future court dates:

Baker was scheduled for court Friday for seven counts of worthless checks: four under her married name, Elisa Baker, and three under another name she sometimes uses, Elisa Young. The worthless check charges Baker was due in court for on Friday were:

$64.88, Fresh Air Galaxy

$136.49, Food Lion

$122.47, Food Lion

$158.04, Food Lion
$243.53, Walmart

$80.98, Walmart

$110.57, Walmart

Baker also is facing one count of failure to return rental property to Aaron’s Sales and Lease Ownership, a rent-to-own store, under the name of Elisa Young. Some of the offenses date back to 2002.

Judge Amy Sigmon appointed Reilly on Friday to be Baker’s attorney for these charges.

Baker is also facing several worthless check charges in Caldwell County. Reilly said it hadn’t been discussed yet if he would be her attorney in those cases, but said for efficiency’s sake and because it’s the same judicial district, it would be prudent for him to represent Baker on those charges, as well.

Baker, 42, is currently in jail on a $97,200 bond. Her next court date for the Catawba County worthless check charges is Dec. 17.

Elisa A. Baker’s upcoming court dates
-Nov. 1: Burke County, worthless check, Elisa A. Proctor

-Nov. 3: Catawba County, felony obstruction of justice, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, driving while license revoked; fictitious/revoked registration card/tag, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, operating a vehicle with no insurance, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor fraud disposal of mortgage property, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, driving while license revoked, unsafe tires, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, failure to return rental property on which there is a purchase option, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, misdemeanor communicating threats, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 18: Caldwell County, worthless check, Elisa A. Baker

-Nov. 23: Lincoln County, worthless check, Elisa A. Young

-Nov. 29: Alexander County, driving while license revoked, Elisa A. Young
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/oct/30/elisa-baker-court-worthless-checks-ar-495550/

No where in this long list is "Obtaining Property By False Pretenses", a charge that was filed on Oct 18, by COFFEY, MARK DAVID who was Adam's Boss.  Gothmonster was arrested on Oct 10 and has been in jail since.  The case status is "further investigation.  I am wondering if this property was whatever they were looking for in the backyard that is now tiny bits being put into small bags that was once worth $170.36?

I hope the link to the charges works. 

http://www.hickorypd.net/viewreport.aspx?id=634240798882099005

Someone at the Hinkey Meter has tracked down Kava (Ieli) Fullman, the guy from England that supposely sent SM $10,000. If he did, she sure posed as someone else. Apparently he is now showing up on Brittany Starbucks Facebook friends.

If you go to this site, you'll have to scroll down the page to find the article on him.

http://www.rotuma.net/os/NewsArchive/Archive2007/archive0702.htm

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I hit post too soon.

Kava ("Ieli") Fullman has returned to the U.K. having completed a 6-month peacekeeping tour of Bosnia.

Son of Tarterani and Selina (nee Albert), Kava joined the British Army in 2001 and is in the Welsh Guards, one of a number of regiments who wear the famous bear skinhats(now synthetic) and red tunic uniform.

In 2004, he married his English fiancee, Loise, before heading out to Iraq for a tough 6-month tour.

Currently based in London, his regiment provides the Guards at St James’s and Buckingham Palaces, the Tower of London and Windsor castle. Other ceremonial tasks and parades consist of Trooping the Colour and Guards of Honour for visiting heads of state.

In May 2006, the Welsh Guards presented their new "Colours" to the Queen at her Windsor Castle residence.

 

His myspace lists him as single and BS is his friend there as well
http://www.myspace.com/fatz386

His facebook, but most of it is private.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=672761407

Elisa young is his friend on his PerfSpot profile

http://www.perfspot.com/profile.asp?uid=82AE3AFC-7B59-40F7-B279-C54037A7B112

That surprised me. I would have bet that she had used someone else's picture. I don't understand any of this.

From his facebook.  Why would a guy who looks like this be interested or send money to Elesa?  I'm scratching my head  ::MonkeyShocked::

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You guys reckon the item not returned to Aaron's was a bed?  Guess if it wasn't that then there is no telling what she leased from them and sold for cheap for a quick buck!  Was it stated that this Fullman guy was having some type of relationship with EvilE?  If there was ANYthing going on I'm sure she didn't use her pic.  She had to have fooled him somehow.  He's quite a looker if I say so myself!  What in the hell would he be doing with her let alone give her more that two pennies?  Well, I could see if he was some kind hearted 

Uh Oh! Mashed the button and poof!  Here it came to quick!  To finish my last sentence above...kind hearted gentleman donating to the health and recovery of a child with cancer.  But I really doubt she got any money from this man.  I'm sure it's all in her head.
             



















                                                                                                                                         

MY O MY O MY O MY...... How would EB ever get this man to send her money?  I don't know if I even believe he did.  Pretty hard to imagine.

If it is true, I'd have to say it's because of Zahra needing treatment of some sort or a new leg or some other story she weaved at the moment.

Exploiting Zahra for her benefit seems to be par for the course.

 As I was handing out candy tonight, Zahra was on my mind and I was thinking that in a perfect world, she should be excitedly trick or treating too.

It seems that Zahra loved animals and I think that this Halloween, she's got a very special pet collection. God Bless You, Sweet Zahra!

Adorable!  I love this!  Thank you CBB

Zahra....a beautiful and brave child.....an inspiration to all of us.

AHHH, CBB, very cute!!

I didn't mean not to respond guys.......... after I posted the picture, I realized I needed to fix a hiccup in it! Sorry! I've got to go catch up, but wanted to say "Hi" while you all were still here!   ::HelloKitty::

Beautiful CBB!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/10/31/greene.missing.children/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

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Searching with dread for missing children
By Bob Greene, CNN Contributor
October 31, 2010 8:37 a.m. EDT

Editor's note: CNN Contributor Bob Greene is a best-selling author whose books include "Late Edition: A Love Story" and "Once Upon a Town: The Miracle of the North Platte Canteen."

(CNN) -- The searchers search, even when they fear that they may fail.

A child is gone, under suspicious circumstances, and the searchers fan out, listening for a cry, a rustling in the underbrush, the sight of a colorful piece of clothing.

Sometimes it is law-enforcement personnel doing the searching; sometimes it is citizen volunteers. In the end, the distinction doesn't matter. The searchers are members of a community, connected by their humanity, and there is an intrinsic dread in what they do. They pray for the best and try to prepare themselves for the worst.

"Some people here have gone out and looked on their own," said John Miller, the editor of the Hickory, North Carolina, Daily Record. "Even for police officers, it is not an easy thing to do. Many of them are fathers and mothers themselves. And the child who is missing here is not just a little girl, but a little girl with a disability."

Hickory is the town where 10-year-old Zahra Clare Baker was reported missing October 9 by her father and her stepmother. The child, recovering from bone cancer, wore a prosthetic leg, and was in need of hearing aids in both ears.

The search for the child began immediately. "There was a sense of empathy, and urgency," Miller said. The searchers knew that the girl had little hope of fending successfully for herself.

So when the police soon announced that they considered the case a homicide investigation, and when they arrested the stepmother on charges of obstruction of justice for allegedly writing a bogus ransom note, the searchers would have had a right to feel cruelly betrayed. The father, too, was arrested, on charges unrelated to the girl's disappearance: writing worthless checks, failure to return rental property.

The search for the child continued. It takes a lot to make searchers give up. Last week they found a prosthetic leg discarded in some brush near a house where the stepmother once lived.

What makes the searchers do it? For some, of course, it is part of the job. But that doesn't render it any less wrenching. The searchers know that at the bottom of every gully, behind every tree, they may come upon a cause for utter elation -- a frightened child waiting to be found -- or a cause for utter despair: a lifeless boy or girl.

Which makes it all the more appalling when parents murder, and then send the community out to search for a child they say is lost or missing. Perhaps the most notorious case was the one involving Susan Smith, who, in 1994, told police in South Carolina that she had been carjacked, and that the criminal had driven away with her sons Michael, 3, and Alexander, 14 months. For nine days searchers looked frantically for the children. In the end, Smith admitted she had killed them -- that she had let her car roll into a lake with the children strapped inside. And had then begged the searchers to go out and find her purportedly kidnapped sons.

"I think searchers are so willing to do it because they think, 'What if it was my child?' " said Lt. Garret Atkin of the Layton, Utah, Police Department. "You have to go on the assumption that you are being given a straight story, and that the child is out there hoping to be found."

Layton is the town to which, earlier this year, Ethan Stacy, 4, was sent on a divorce-court order from rural Virginia, where he lived with his father, to spend the summer with his mother and her boyfriend. Within two weeks, the mother called police to say that Ethan had wandered away from the house in the middle of the night.

So the searchers went out. The weather was foul -- cold post-midnight temperatures, rain, sleet, mud. They knew that if the child were to have a chance, they would have to find him quickly.

"You have to realize, especially in weather like that, that as the hours pass, the chances of a child being all right diminish," Atkin said. "We wanted to find him and bring him home."

They found him the next day -- in a crude shallow grave on Powder Mountain, his scalded body wrapped in garbage bags, his face smashed by a hammer. Police and prosecutors say the boyfriend killed the child, and then the couple made up the story of him wandering away. They say the couple sent the compassionate searchers to look for a boy who they knew was already dead and buried.

Atkin, talking about the case the other day, said that when a child is reported missing, searchers have no choice but to believe the report is genuine, and that the child is out there waiting to be rescued.

"When you go out, you have to do it filled with hope," he said.

There is great joy and relief when a search is successful, and a child is found. "A lot of times, it turns out well," said Lt. Mary Lindstrand of the Multnomah County, Oregon, Sheriff's Department. "When a child gets separated from his or her parents, and the searchers find the child -- that's a great feeling."

But Multnomah County is where a search for a child who has been missing since June is still going on. Kyron Horman, 7, disappeared from Skyline Elementary School almost five months ago. Law-enforcement officials have made no arrests and have named no suspects.

"There is an emotional trauma to going out and searching for a child," Lindstrand said. We spoke soon after more than 100 searchers on a wet and soggy recent weekend looked anew for Kyron on Sauvie Island.

"There is no way to emotionally prepare yourself for what you might find," she said. "You try to stay hopeful. When you are looking for a child who is missing, you don't just look for the child himself. You are given a description of what he was wearing when he was last seen. You're looking for a scrap of clothing -- anything."

Searchers, she said, do all they can to keep their own spirits, and optimism, as buoyant as possible.

But it's hard to do.

"A child is gone," she said. "The pain of that is so terrible that the searchers begin to feel it physically. You just keep looking, no matter what."

All I can come up with are two ideas. Like some people are saying he felt sympathy and was sending money to help Zahra, the other idea is exploiting Zahra in unseemly ways  ::MonkeyNoNo::  10,000 dollars is a lot of money to be giving someone because they have sympathy, especially if he doesn't even know the child.

Thanks, Brandi!

Klaas, thanks for posting that article!  It's so true!  :(

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/oct/31/missing-girl-did-not-want-to-leave-australia-ar-498291/

Missing girl did not want to leave Australia
Sunday, October 31, 2010
By Monte Mitchell | JOURNAL REPORTER
Published: October 31, 2010

This is the first of a two-part series examining the life of Zahra Baker, the Hickory girl who was first reported missing on Oct. 9 and who authorities believe is dead.

Giru, the former home of Zahra Baker, is a tiny Australian town that started as a railroad siding on the sugar line.

The Haughton River there draws people who fish for giant barramundi, and many of the houses are built on poles because of occasional flooding.

Above all, Giru is a sugar-mill town. Cane fields take over where backyards end, and the giant CSR Invicta Sugar Mill crushes 3 million tons of sugar cane each year.

The sugar mill was the reason Zahra’s family wound up in Giru, a town of less than 400 people in Queensland’s northwest edge.

She had some hard years there, fighting bone cancer first and then tumors in her lungs.

But Giru must have seemed like heaven to Zahra, compared to the hell she endured when her father brought to North Carolina to live with her new stepmother.

Millions of people in the United States and Australia have come to know 10-year-old Zahra’s freckled face and cute grin during the ongoing ordeal of her disappearance and presumed murder.

But even in the Giru years, before all this happened, Zahra was a bit of a celebrity because of the plucky spirit with which she met cancer.

Kim Wright, 44, of Giru, was sitting in a chair waiting for her head to be shaved four years ago at a cancer fundraiser when Zahra approached her. Zahra, then just 6 years old, was already a cancer survivor.

She took Wright’s hand and told her not to be scared.

That struck up a friendship.

When her health worsened, and Zahra was very sick and in a children’s hospital waiting to have her left leg amputated above the knee, she talked to Wright by telephone.

“It’s OK, because I’m going to be getting a Barbie leg so I don’t want you to be upset,” Zahra told Wright.

Full of life
A few months later in 2007, doctors found tumors in Zahra’s lungs.

Wendy Wieck, of Toowomba, in southeast Queensland, met Zahra when Zahra and Wieck’s daughter were both receiving treatment at the Royal Brisbane Children’s Hospital in 2007. Between rounds of chemotherapy, the two girls did their homework together and played.

Zahra adjusted to the loss of her lower leg.

“She was always hopping around on her crutches flat out through the ward and was always full of life, energy and always happy considering the illness she had been fighting,” Wieck said. “My husband and I used to marvel at the obvious love her dad and grandma had for her and how they had both put their lives on hold to help her with her treatments.”

Zahra’s father, Adam Baker, who is now 33, had moved to Giru in 2004 for a job at the Invicta mill, where his father and brother also got jobs. Adam’s mother, Karen Baker, looked after her granddaughter.

Adam Baker told friends that Zahra’s biological mother hadn’t been part of Zahra’s life since she was about 8 months old. Zahra was born in 2000 in Wagga Wagga, a town in New South Wales, midway between Australia’s two largest cities of Sydney and Melbourne.

The devotion showed by Adam Baker and Karen Baker in the hospital was rewarded with good news. The treatments had stopped the tumors in Zahra’s lungs. There was another price to pay, though. The treatments led to a partial hearing loss.

The community and Giru State School raised money for a wheelchair for Zahra, and for a laptop computer so she could do schoolwork from home.

Not long before she and her father left Australia to move to North Carolina with a woman he’d met online, Zahra wound up in the pages of the Townsville Bulletin. Townsville is a city of about 180,000 on the northeast coast of Australia about 35 miles from Giru.

“They don’t make them much tougher than little Zahra Baker,” reporter Jessica Johnston wrote on Sept. 22, 2008. “The eight-year-old Giru girl has overcome more challenges than most people would in a lifetime, but nothing could wipe the smile off the bubbly youngster’s face yesterday.”

The accompanying photo showed Zahra wearing a big helmet, perched on an armored vehicle of the Australian army and giving two thumbs up.

Her grandmother said Zahra’s face lit up when she saw the soldiers.

“Her eyes couldn’t have been any bigger,” Karen Baker said. “She loves the whole army business. The picture tells the whole story; she handles everything with a smile. She has been on camp a couple of years ago, but she hadn’t been well enough to go again until this year.”

The experience was offered courtesy of the military and Camp Quality, a national charity for children with cancer.

“She was the life of any camp we went on, the kids loved her,” said Mark McGregor, Camp Quality’s North Queensland manager. “Other kids were so inspired by her enthusiasm and her fight to live against all odds.”

He remembers what she said when other kids asked her how she could do the ropes course on one leg.

‘Because I want to,” Zahra told them.

Leaving abruptly
Nikki Hay, a teacher’s aide in the town of Mackay, has a daughter who was a friend and fellow cancer patient with Zahra at Camp Quality.

She remembers seeing Zahra scoot around on her crutches on a trip to Airlie Beach in the Whitsundays region, the gateway to the Great Barrier Reef.

After one of the camps, she printed out some photos her daughter had wanted to send to Zahra.

So Hay called Zahra’s grandmother and asked how she was.

“She was so upset,” Hay said. “She explained to me that her son had remarried and they had taken off overseas quite abruptly and she didn’t have any idea exactly where they were.”

Hay told her story in an e-mail to Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins recently. Hay is one of the many people in Australia gripped by the mystery and tragedy of what has happened to Zahra.

“I want to thank you and your police department for all the fantastic efforts that your team is doing to find answers,” she wrote. “I hope that you find Zahra so her grandmother can have closure.”

Zahra’s father had hit it off with a Hickory woman, the former Elisa Fairchild. They met on IMVU.com, an online community where people interact with each other in the form of 3-D avatars.

She was a 40-something woman who called herself a gothic fairy, and selected an avatar with red angel wings and a stylish gown to go with his online persona, which was clad in a black duster with bat-wings.

She told friends he was her soulmate, the one she wanted to spend her life with, the one who made her smile when she heard or spoke his name.

“Who says long distance relationships dont work,” she wrote on her Myspace page, which was adorned with skulls and crossbones and backed by the thumping music of Rob Zombie’s song “Living Dead Girl.”

The relationship moved from the virtual to Giru, when Elisa went to visit in 2008.

In Giru, the Bakers’ friend, Kim Wright, thought that Elisa wasn’t telling the truth about who she was.

She claimed to be a police officer shot in the line of duty. She said she was a bounty hunter.

“She had a lot of stories that never quite rang true,” Wright said.

Adam Baker married Elisa Fairchild in July 2008 in the backyard of Adam’s parents’ house in Giru, not far from the sugar mill. That November, the couple moved to North Carolina, some 10,000 miles from Australia.

Zahra didn’t want to leave her grandparents and friends, Wright said.

She hugged Zahra and told her she’d get to go to Disneyland.

But life in America turned anything but happy for Zahra.

When she asked for a bicycle, her new stepmother exacted a heavy price.

mmitchell@wsjournal.com

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http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/oct/31/missing-girl-did-not-want-to-leave-australia-ar-498291/

from what we know, now and seen of AB, that devotion he showed is very
hard for me to believe, did EB truly hood wink AB

What a special child Zahra was. The  I'm getting a Barbie leg " .
and the because I want to.
There are lots of brave children out there who go thru these treatments with so much courage. More courage than adults, including me.   

What a touching article!

Those monsters deprived this world of Zahra!

known cities,EB has lived,or used as address
from here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8795.msg1249605#msg1249605

Hickory, NC -to- Kings Mountain, NC, US-321 S, 45.8 mi. 49min

Hickory, NC -to- Lincolnton, NC, US-321 S, 23.3 mi, 27min

Hickory, NC -to- Granite Falls, NC, US-321 N, 7.7 mi, 14min
i noticed around granite falls area a lot of water

Hickory, NC -to- Conover, NC, I-40 E, 8.6 mi, 15min,
U.S.321 Bus, and I-40 E,9.3 mi, 16min

Hickory, NC -to- Vale, NC, US-321 S, 21.5 mi, 34min
N Carolina 127 S, 17.1 mi, 32 min

Hickory, NC -to- Hudson, NC, US-321 N, 12.9 mi, 20min
US-321 N and US-321 Alt, 13.0 mi, 22min

i used google map, wasnt the Gfalls area where the leg was found

Edited to add map:
i meant to put this link to Gfalls map in the post, somehow it didnt make it
Gfalls map
http://tinyurl.com/2epz5s9

i meant to put this link to Gfalls map in the post, somehow it didnt make it
Gfalls map
http://tinyurl.com/2epz5s9

was suppose to be in this post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8870.msg1255439#msg1255439

I feel sad for Zahra :(
If the stepmother didn't kill Zahara, maybe she sold her to somebody, that type of mafia are everywhere :(

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!


CBB, thank you so very much for this beautiful pic of Zahra. I had a hard time last night thinking about what all these precious children were missing. This pic sooths my soul a little. I take comfort that they are in the Arms of our Father and I know that all of my loved ones who have gone before them are now loving on them.


Klaas, I have to agree with you on the guy from England. Why in the world would he be messing with Elisa. IIRC, that is not the first name that the Fullman guy was given in court. I will have to go back and listen to the hearing again. I have a feeling someone just grabbed a name out of the hat and this name got thrown out there. I guess I had an older man in my mind.

Considering he has shown up as a friend to EB I don't imagine they have the wrong person. The why though is huge. How does this evil woman hook up with these people. Is it possible she just friends people and they don't know who she is? just some American woman?

This whole case just makes me sick. Why aren't we hearing anything from the news stations as to what AB is doing? I don't understand. Will his family get him to open up and tell all? I doubt it. Unless the love between the GMA and Zahra is greater than the love between her and her son. She has lost her beautiful granddaughter I don't imagine she wants to lose her baby boy also. She would first have to come to terms that her son is capable of something as heinous as this is. JMO

I hope they bring charges against someone soon in this case. I pray they are able to find this beautiful child. And most of all I pray she is not suffering in the hands of another evil person.

Thanks, darla.  ::MonkeyKiss::

I feel like I've heard Zahra's voice for the first time with that article. She was a special little girl, and I just don't understand how her Dad could harm her or let anyone else hurt her either. How do you go from watching and supporting your child's struggle to survive a deadly illness to that?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

IF Elisa sold her... why throw away the mattress?

Why sell her without her prosthesis? I think someone walking without one leg would cause more attention and concern than someone with a prosthesis.

JMO.
:D

Since BS is one of his friends, perhaps he initially was friends with her?

BS may have discussed him with her mother and the mother thought he was an easy target- and has been milking him.  Scumbag either way.

The man described on the story seems to be someone caring and responsible. Which leads me to believe he's been duped by Elisa, maybe she pretending to be some hot stuff looking for "action", or she crying him a sappy story (maybe about Zahra's disabilities) and he sending money to help.

I doubt Elisa sold Zahra to this man.

JMO

IMO there is a reason LE is calling this a homicide and not kidnapping or sex trafficking.

I know what you mean CBB, I don't understand anyone that could harm a child, especially a disabled child who has battled such an evil disease and survived. My heart just breaks for all  of the precious children, who are not loved and cherished as God meant them to be. I would have taken Zahra and made sure she was loved and happy and would have spoiled her to no end along with my grands. I had her on my mind all day yesterday as my youngest had his 6th birthday party and all the kids were running and laughing and having a wonderful time. She would have had a wonderful time with them dressed in a beautiful Halloween costume.

KB said in the article that Zahra "She loves the whole army business", and there are images of Zahra in army clothing with an army person.  KF is from Fiji, Zahara is from Aussie.  My theory is that gothmonster used the story and images of Zahra at Camp to suck this man in playing on his love for the army, the cancer story etc.  IMO she played him like a fiddle saying Zahra needed money for a new leg, medical attention, to make a dream come true etc? 

 ::MonkeyAngel::  what a beautiful image  ::MonkeyAngel::

Is this a pic with her mom?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/zahra/Losthat/pic.jpg?o=3 (http://media.photobucket.com/image/zahra/Losthat/pic.jpg?o=3)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs568.ash2/149050_1419391049981_1388794428_30923866_2235203_n.jpg)

If that is Zahra and that is the bio mom then she has certainly seen Zahra since Zahra was 8mo old. 

Beautiful image and beautiful words to go along with it.

Darla, what you said about your loved ones...
Made me think of my dad...knowing there are people like him
(who called all his grand children "Bub" and "Sis" 'cuz he couldn't keep names straight, but he knew them and loved them all dearly)
...people like him to welcome these babies who have so suffered and take them straight to the arms of Jesus...thanks for that wonderful, comforting thought.

yea, I'm thinking SM is lying about the hot english dude. imo.

But once he's found not involved you guys can keep posting his picture..I don't mind. ;)

Happy Halloween and that pic of Zahra with the animals is adorable.

I get the feeling not...the tag on the photo just says, "AU?"...whoever posted does not know.
I tend to believe it is not Biomum, as to who? Wish there was more info.

I was thinking the same thing, CBB.  It was the first time I got a real sense of her personality, too!  It just confirmed to me how extraordinary she was.  I don't understand her father either. 

I don't believe that AB was loving and supportive of Zahra when she was going through treatment. I think he went along with his mother who seemed to be in charge of Zahra. Before the site was taken down Karen Baker was all about what she went through and how hard it was on her. The whole family seems to be more concerned about how things affect them than how it affected Zahra.  IMO

On one of the shows, NG one of the daughters who was quoted said that her mother even lived in England for a time. When they were dicsussing all the different places she had lived.
I am counting backwards in years, she has been with Adam for tops, three, she was with Aaron Young he says for 10. Maybe she was in England as a nanny / housekeeper to this nice looking young soldier or she was hooked up to his uncle. She did use several different last names and this guys last name was one of the alias. All I can say is she looks like an evil b / witch and she acted like one. Maybe peeps were taken in by her on line persona where you can be anything you want to put out there. Look at her avatar from imvu, nothing like she was, but maybe some spineless dim wit like Adam fell in love with the avatar. And his avator looked and projected nothing of him.
..
ps, If you find any more pictures of him with no shirt on, post them and we will see what we can discover about him by staring at the pix. Sheesh, I am baad.l

I don't think it is biomum either. But the one holding Zahra could be one of Adams younger brothers, cause it is a guy

I am thinking she never even got money, just another unbelievable tall tale...

As far as posting the picture more?  I need a warning so daughters quit coming in and drooling on my keyboard!      ::MonkeyTongue::

LOL@ Kat_Gram!  I thought that was a nice photo myself!   ::MonkeyCool::

CBB, I love the Halloween image you did for Zahra.  It's too bad that unicorn couldn't have rescued Zahra and carried her away to safety.  :(

Claycat, maybe she did . . . the unicorn.

Im sorry but i dont feel sorry for biomom at all....how many of you monkey moms would even let your child leave your sight for a second!  I blame her for this too

We just don't know the entire situation.  As I understand it she was pretty young (18) when Zahra was born.  We don't know what her situation was exactly or how Adam and his mom ended up with her. 

I understand that...but i'm tired of the excuses these "mothers' have...if you are 18, 16, 20 whatever, these children still dont ask for this.  Zahra never had a chance and that's not fair to her to throw the "but I was only 18 excuse" in.  Her bio mom can say what she wants....she should feel bad. I would fight tooth and nail for my kid...its obvious bio mom did not do not in this case.  Geez, she left the country without her knowledge. 

Maybe I am naive but my child would NEVER get that far from me!

When my sister was younger and became ill, her ex "absconded with the children and told them she was dead. She had no choice and by the time we all knew what was happening.. it was too late.So, I feel for the biomum...as Klaas said, we don't know the entire situation.

Ok well if that is biomum's story then i do feel for her...but I doubt that's the case. 

Well, we don't know, but when Zahra had cancer, did Bio-Mom know ?
Zahra had a life threatening illness, was she kept in the loop ?
And Karen Baker has gone silent. I would like to see some paperwork as to the custody arrangement and I would also like to know who signed off on the passport ?
Who was the guarantor ?

That is a terrible situation Nana  ::MonkeyAngel::  Leroy I understand how you feel believe me, my big question that I repeatedly ask is don't a lot of these women not know what birth control is? With all the different options it sure would be nice if some women would take them if they don't want any kids, but instead they have them and some of the poor kids are mistreated or killed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh, Sister!  That is such a sweet thought!  Maybe she road on a winged unicorn, right to Heaven!  Hugs to you!

CBB!  Could you put Zahra on a winged unicorn or Pegasus, flying into the sky?  That would be so beautiful!

This makes me cry, thinking about her flying when she had so much trouble walking!   :cry: 

Oops!  That's supposed to be "rode", not road! 

OK, so I know we don't have the full story between biomom and AB, but a couple of things keep running through my mind. Why, if there was a joint custody agreement, and she was paying child support, could she not petition the court to get his location? If he had a bank account for deposit, there should have been an address and if he had moved, couldn't they have stopped the payments until he contacted them with an updated residence?? Maybe, I just don't understand how the system works over there, but I would guess that since there is a custody agreement in place that he should have to hold up his end of it and that if he didn't then there should have been a way to get him to comply, or at least get a location. I don't feel that we have the full story from either side.

Stepmother abused her, neighbors say
Second of two parts

Zahra Baker wanted a bicycle.

It was last spring when she lived with her father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, in Country Manor Estates, a trailer park in Hudson, a community in Caldwell County.


Neighbor Renee Bobbitt liked to watch her grandson and the other children play outside. Zahra, the 10-year-old girl with the Australian accent, joined right in despite the prosthetic leg she used after her left leg was amputated above the knee because of bone cancer.

“You’d see her on the one good leg, and she’d hop as fast as they could run,” Bobbitt said.

But Elisa Baker, who the neighbors knew as Lisa, didn’t think Zahra had made enough progress on her prosthetic to deserve a bicycle.

“She told her the only way she’d get a bicycle is if she learned to run,” Bobbitt said.

The Bakers’ rented single-wide trailer was on a sloped road that ends in a cul-de-sac.

The cul-de-sac is a place where everybody knows what’s going on. The trailers are close to each other, and people peer around their curtains if a strange car drives in. People step outside to smoke and talk and watch the kids play.

Neighbors saw Lisa Baker repeatedly making Zahra run up and down that hill. Sometimes it seemed to be for therapy; sometimes for punishment.

“I’ve seen her smack her a couple of times and (be) all up in her face because she wasn’t running,” Bobbitt said.

There was another side to Lisa Baker’s relationship with Zahra.

In May, Lisa Baker took Zahra to Charlotte Motor Speedway. In Victory Lane there, Speedway Children’s Charities and other groups delivered hearing aids to children and adults in need.

Although Zahra had lost her leg to bone cancer, her hearing loss came from treatment for tumors that had developed in her lungs. Her cancer was in remission, but the chemotherapy led to a partial hearing loss of high frequency sounds. She had difficulty hearing “s” and “f” sounds.

When a worker asked Zahra what happened to her leg, the 10-year-old Aussie joked: “An alligator ate it.”

Lisa Baker fought back tears as volunteers at the track showed Zahra how to use the hearing aids and racing legend Richard Petty stood nearby.

A hearing-resource teacher at Hudson Elementary School had suggested that the family try to get the hearing aids for Zahra through the Speedway Children’s Charities giveaway.

“(The teacher) said this would be a wonderful opportunity to open up other opportunities,” Lisa Baker said.

Moving to North Carolina
Zahra attended third grade at Hudson Elementary for the last several months of the 2009 school year. Adam Baker married Elisa in Australia in July 2008 and the couple moved to North Carolina, where Elisa Baker was from, in December 2008.

The single father and his future wife met in an online community where people use 3-D avatars to interact.

They lived with Elisa Baker’s father in Hickory until a falling out over money in the summer of 2009.

Adam, Elisa and Zhara moved into an apartment in Granite Falls in July 2009, and Zhara would spend most of the fourth grade at Granite Falls Elementary School.

In Granite Falls, the family lived on Congress Street in an apartment next door to apartment manager Shirley Mims and her husband, Darrell.

The Mimses were unaware that the couple even had a daughter.

“We saw the little girl when they moved in, but we didn’t see her no more after that,” Shirley Mims said. “When I saw the little girl, I assumed it was a grandchild or a visitor, because I never saw her again.”

A few weeks after they moved in, she started hearing Adam and Elisa Baker a lot.

“They fought verbally and physically with each other. You could hear it through the walls,” Mims said. “They’d even take it out into the parking lot.”

The Bakers were fighting so much one time that it knocked the pictures off the wall the Mimses shared with the Bakers, Mims said.

The fighting got so bad that Mims said she asked them to move out in early November 2009. In a day and a half, they were gone.

When the Mimses inspected, they found that the closet that provides access to the attic was missing its door, and the door to the cubbyhole into the attic had been taken off. The couple remembers hearing noises in the attic when the Bakers lived there, something they thought at the time might be squirrels.

“We don’t know for sure, but we think they kept her in the attic,” Darrell Mims said. “There were black shoe-sole prints all around the inside (of the door frame).”

“All the noises I heard in the attic must have been her, but I never heard them again after they left,” Shirley Mims said. “I can’t prove that’s what it was, but in my heart, that’s what I believe.”

She said she would have called authorities if she’d known that a child was living there in such conditions.

Family moved to trailer park
The family moved into the trailer park, but it’s not clear when.

In December 2009, the Bakers’ landlord at the trailer park served Adam Baker with an eviction notice saying that he owed $1,114 in back rent. The trailer rented for $115 a week, seeming to indicate that they had been living there and not paying for about two months, a time that would overlap with the time they were living at the apartment in Granite Falls.

But whenever they started living in the trailer park, Zahra returned to Hudson Elementary School in March 2010 to finish the fourth grade.

In the trailer park, Bobbitt watched Zahra play with the other children, playing ball, playing in the dirt.

“She was the sweetest little thing you’d ever want to meet,” Bobbitt said. “She was full of life.”

Bobbitt’s husband would walk down the hill to give the children candy. Zahra would hug him.

Bobbitt wouldn’t associate with the woman she knew as Lisa Baker because she didn’t like the way she treated Zahra. She said she saw her smack Zahra a couple of times. She saw Baker getting angry and in Zahra’s face because Zahra wasn’t running up that hill.

She thought about calling the Caldwell County Department of Social Services, but said others beat her to it, including officials at Hudson Elementary School.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, neighbor Bobby Green said. He said he saw DSS workers in the trailer.

He said a concerned teacher provided Zahra with her home phone number and told her to call.

Neighbor Kayla Rotenberry said she saw Elisa Baker hit Zahra and noticed bruises on the girl’s face and body. She also said that Elisa Baker told her that Social Services was investigating.

“She was angry that people were getting into her business,” she said. “We all tried to stop her. That little girl was so sweet. Always smiling through it all. She just wanted to be loved.”

Neighbors said that Baker injured her hand when she was beating Zahra and hit the prosthetic leg. Baker told her husband she’d fallen and broken the hand, Bobbitt said.

Bobbitt said she saw DSS workers visit. “Lisa tried to tell them the chemotherapy was giving (Zahra) the black eyes,” Bobbitt said.

It was May 10 when Zahra and Elisa Baker went to Charlotte Motor Speedway to receive the hearing aids.

Two weeks later, on May 23, teenage neighbors took out an arrest warrant on Elisa Baker in connection with an incident related to her making Zahra walk up that hill.

Corrine Yount, 15, lived in a trailer on another road at the base of the hill. Her trailer formed a T to the Bakers’ trailer: the road the Bakers lived on runs up the hill beside the trailer where Corrine lived and in front of the Bakers’ trailer.

Corrine and her friend Brandy Hefner, 16, noticed Zahra crying as she walked up the hill.

“She was making Zahra walk up the hill by herself because that’s how she would punish her because she (Elisa) knew it would hurt Zahra’s leg,” Corrine said.

When the teenagers intervened, Corrine said Baker came out of her trailer and started screaming and threatening the girls.

“She said, ‘I’m going to teach these two teenagers a lesson and whip their butts,’” Corrine said.

She said that Baker continued shouting threats until Brandy’s mother came out and asked what was going on and Baker left, according to the arrest warrant.

Corrine said it wasn’t the first time she’d called authorities about how Zahra was treated.

“You could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her, so we would call the police,” Corrine said. “We called DSS on her too, but they never did anything.”

The incident with the teenage girls came the day after Adam and Elisa Baker were arrested and charged with communicating threats against Elisa’s niece Brittany Bentley, her fiancee Zackery Tyler and the couple’s 7-month-old daughter. The threats stemmed from an outstanding debt Bentley owed them, according to the arrest warrant.

“He (Adam Baker) chased me and my fiancee. He literally tried to run us off the road twice,” Tyler wrote in the complaint accompanying the warrant. “He got in the opposite lane, swerved at the driver’s side and we had to swerve to keep from getting hit, then he passed us and slammed his brakes. We had to slam our brakes and still almost hit him.”

The couple went home and gave Elisa Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam Baker threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant.

“They said they would kill me and Brittany Bentley and that they knew where our daughter was and they would kill her if I didn’t pay her,” Tyler wrote.

Bentley said the couple claimed to have a gun in the car and drove to her mother’s home, where Bentley’s daughter was staying. Bentley’s complaint said she feared

for her life and the life

of her daughter and fiancee.

The Bakers were charged with communicating threats in connection with the accusations. Adam Baker was also charged with assault with a deadly weapon in connection with the incident on the road.

Out of the trailer park
The Bakers moved from the trailer some time over the summer, and in either late August or early September moved into a rented home on 21st Avenue NW, off N.C. 127 in Viewmont.

Neighbors there said they never saw Zahra.

At the trailer park, Bobbitt said she watched as the Bakers moved, but didn’t see the child.

Employees of a Hickory furniture store told police they saw Zahra and her stepmother on Sept. 25.

That’s the only report police have had from anyone who claims to have seen Zahra in Hickory since the family moved.

Adam Baker called police on Oct. 9 to report that his daughter was missing. Elisa Baker told her husband she last saw Zahra sleeping in her bed at 2:30 a.m. that day, about 2½ hours before the couple reported a fire outside their home. Adam Baker told authorities that he panicked after the fire and didn’t immediately check on his daughter.

Despite massive manhunts, Zahra has not been found. Both Adam and Elisa Baker have been arrested separately on unrelated charges. Elisa Baker is cooperating with Hickory police.

Authorities found a prosthetic leg late on Tuesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County, about 4.2 miles from the trailer. The area beside the road is strewn with trash, and a padlocked gate blocks access to a dirt lane that goes back into brush and woods.

They’re still looking for Zahra.

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

Investigators comb through Baker house

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/119068/zahra-case-2/
A Bible lies among stuffed toy animals at the shrine to Zahra Baker at her residence on 21st Avenue NW, Sunday afternoon.

HICKORY --
Hickory investigators returned to the Baker house Sunday afternoon. They spent hours alongside SBI agents combing through the modest brick home where Zahra Baker was reported missing on Oct. 9.

“Hickory’s lead investigators are going back in to look inside again,” said Chief Tom Adkins of the Hickory Police Department.

The home and yard have been searched multiple times during the 23-day search as officers have worked to find the 10-year-old girl.

Cars drove slowly down the residential street and people craned their necks to see what the investigators were doing and to look at the makeshift shrine in the front yard.

Two SBI agents holding garbage bags walked to the shrine at the base of the oak tree in front of the house. They reached in the bags, pulled out toy plush animals and notes that had been left for Zahra and arranged them in front of the tree.

A second shrine has appeared in recent days at the bottom of the family’s mailbox in front of the house because the crime scene tape ringing the property has limited access to the original memorial.

Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, remains in the Catawba County jail under a $97,200 secured bond. She was charged with obstruction of justice following her Oct. 12 confession to investigators that she’d written a fake ransom note demanding $1 million. She has also been charged with more than a dozen additional crimes unrelated to Zarha’s disappearance stemming from arrest warrants served on Oct. 10.

Attorney Scott Reilly is representing Baker on her current charges. Attorney Lisa Dubs has been provisionally assigned to the case in anticipation of possible murder charges against Baker.

Adam Baker turned himself in at the Hickory Police Department at 3:12 a.m. Monday. He was arrested on charges unrelated to the disappearance of his daughter and jailed under a $7,000 secured bond. The charges include five counts of worthless checks and failure to appear.

Baker bonded out of jail Wednesday.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/investigators-comb-through-baker-house-ar-499509/

Hello! 

From what I have been able to grasp, they are sticklers over there on their privacy laws.

The custody agreement went into effect in 2001.

The child support paid by biomum went directly to AB, I assume, by debit card.  she could not access his personal info, address, and he could not access biomums.

I read some things at thehinkymeter.com where biomum was posting.

One of of very own, Tibrogargan, has a thread here that is very informative and will explain how strict AU privacy laws are...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=722.920

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/

» biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 06:10:04 }
it seems I have woken with no more news than when I went to sleep. With the time difference between Australia and the US I have had a lot of reading to do this morning. Since finding this blog site, and reading all your writings, I haven’t felt so alone or lost. Being so far away, hearing things from those of you that are local makes me feel that bit closer to everything.

I want to thank Valhall for her support through this. It is true that this is the only place I have been making posts, or any comments. I’m not sure why exactly, but after reading the educated discussion before making my first posting, I had this feeling of safety and compassion, but also honesty without being offensive. As she said, I am happy for you to ask me questions, and if I am up to it I will answer them best I can. I am finding helping you all to understand quite cathartic, and makes me want to do something other than cry and sleep.

*I noticed that a lot of you are curious about Child Support. There are a few ways you can pay your CS payments in Australia, in this case I make automatic payments to the Child Support Agency (CSA, which is federal) and they then electronically transfer it to his nominated account. Our federal Privacy Act prevents he or I from gaining each others details, but (for example) if DFAT (dept of foreign affairs & trading) were to need to find me to give authourity for Zahra’s passport, then as a Gov agency they could access it. (as far as I have been made aware).
I was in contact with CSA earlier this week, and he has not breached their guidelines by going to the US, as the US is an “affiliate country”, or something along those lines. And as I was finding this out, they also made me aware that when they were made aware of her “disappearance”, they automatically put a hold on my payments as of the date she was reported missing.

*As for Adam himself… I must admit that I have always been drawn to the “bad boy” facade, but note “facade”. I was 18 when I met him, and as far as I know he had no criminal record. I was fully aware of some “mischief” he had, and was, getting up to, but thats all it was, teenage trouble making. My mum and sister warned me of what they were seeing, but as they say “love is blind”. next thing I knew I had no contact with my mum and sister, and for some reason believed they were just trying to not let me be happy. I had lost contact with my friends, and was pregnant and living at his mothers house.
Looking back with older, more worldly eyes, it is easy for me to see the manipulation and all the signs, but we all know what they say about hindsight…. I still didn’t know the complete truth until the week Zahra went missing, this month. My mum and sister had not told me, all those years ago, that while I was in labour with Zahra, Adam and his mother wouldn’t even let them in to see me. Even after her birth it was him and his mother. My mother and sister have felt all these years that she was never going to be mine, she was always going to “belong” to the Bakers. That hurt to find out, and I feel so much pain for them. I understand why they would not tell me that, but it must have been so hard for them to keep that inside for so many years.
As for what happened in detail, I will leave that for another post. I am just spewing out information as it wants to come out, so sorry if I ramble. I have never really told this complete story to anyone, even my friends all have just a little piece each.

I think I need a break, and umpteen more cups of coffee. I will be making several posts today, simply because I am feeling more and more comfortable with you all, and the more I seem to release in this “anonomous” way, the less fear I have of the media when I do get to the US….

keep up the awesome investigative work, you are all wonderful for caring so very much
hugs to you all.

Biomum~ How she found Zahra

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/


» biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:11 }
after several of those previously mentioned coffees, and watching some Ellen (who I love btw, she always makes me laugh regardless of what’s going on), I am back with some more rambling…
it had been pointed out that maybe I should explain how I found out Zahra was in the US the week before all this mess started. I will do this, but please understand, even I had trouble believing that I found her the way I did… It is a “6 degrees” situation which absolutely dumbfounded me…

before I do this I just wanna answer a couple of simpler questions that have been asked…
firstly someone asked about the brother who went to the US with AB’s mum… well he only has younger brothers so that answers that…
secondly, I did see someone ask about if AB is innocent why is he not filing for divorce.. not that I want to explain his unforgivable actions to anyone, but if hey were married in Australia (as has been said) they have to be legally seperated for 12mths before they can be divorced. I am not aware of any “loopholes” in that requirement, but it is a way of our government minimising our divorce rate, not that it necessarily works. Also i’m not sure how it would be initiated being that they are both residing in the US.

Now, to how I finally found my baby.
to get the most unbelievable part out of the way, I will just use the word FACEBOOK…
As I have said previously, my family and I were constantly searching the internet for Zahra and any of the Bakers. I had put their names into FB, MySpace and Bebo many times before and only come to dead ends. Now, I don’t know whether these people thought I had given up, or just plainly “slipped up”, but on October 5th I was doing my usual search and up came a Karen baker on FB that I had not seen before (no profile pic). I clicked on her name and she had a private profile, but I could see her friends list, I thought i would go through that to se if any of the family that I knew was on there… (over the years I have become somewhat of a PI, and found ways around things). next thing I’m not knowing what to do because I found her youngest sons name, Adam, and Karen’s sister (who he first ran to when h left Wagga with Zahra). I knew I had the right profile… I didn’t understand why I had searched for Adam on there before and never found him, but that was because I limited the search to Aust, which I would soon find out was not the best idea.
Next came the real shock, which threw be back about 20 paces. Also on Karens friends list I found the mother of one of my best friends (who had moved to adelaide, in another state). Of course my first reaction was to get paranaoid and think it was kept from me, but thinking again I realised my friend was not that hurtful, so I “inboxed” her with the situation, and I got response of shock, amazement, and excitement taht she had known the family all this time and just not put it all together over the years, because i never really mentioned Adam’s family, only Zahra. The connection started making sense, both my friends father and AB’s father had both been in the same military core and had been at the same base in Wagga just after Adam had run off with her.
This all happened mid morning, and by that night my friend had arranged with her mother to email me some updated pics she had of Zahra. I didn’t wanna believe any of it, but then I received the email I just looked and cried. I just could not stop crying. I was looking at my own childhood photos, and then as I kept looking I found ones that looked just like my other daughter who is with me… it was amazing… I’m bawling now remember those feelings…. here was this beaautiful young girl, smiling, looking so happy. I had absolutely no reason to think she was anything other than happy and well cared for.
Then came the news, that they had moved to the US 2 years ago. I couldn’t believe it. they didn’t know where. I was just staring at the pics wondering how the hell to find out where she was and how they did this when i noticed in one pic she was hold a certificate from school, so I zoomed in and it said “Granite Falls Elementary School”. I was straight onto google and then all of a sudden, by expanding my search there were pics of her from when she received her hearing aid, and again she looked so happy and content.
I asked a favour of my friend and her mother, to ask Karen if we could find a way to communicate, if even by email, to find out what was going on. The response to this was a flat out NO, which I guess didn’t really suprise me. I then sent the emails to my sister and mother (who are now 6hrs from me as I only recently moved), and Zahra’s godmaother. they were also understanbly exstatic… we had found her

That amazing high was extremely short lived. I was walking on clouds, everything looked more colourful, I couldn’t stop smiling and then I got a phonecall from the friend who got me the pics, I was assuming with more good news, I so very wrong….
all i remember was hearing “she’s missing”, and I didn’t understand. she wasn’t missing becuase we’d just found her, she wasn’t missing anymore. She told me to get online and I would understand, to type in her name like I usually would….. I still didn’t understand. had Adam somehow found out I knew where there were and concocted some elaborate prank to throw me off…. was it all mistaken identity… was it a different Zahra Baker from Australia….. I can’t explain what i was feeling, it think I just went numb, I can’t really rememebr to be honest. I had just found her, she COULD NOT be missing.
I rang my sister and told her to “google” zahra and she could barely understand me. Not thinking that she was at work I just kept telling her to search for her that she was missing and it was everywhere…. I don’t think I still really understood what it was all saying. She wen to shock immedately aswell and we were both making no sense…
Once I had finished that call I had to somehow tell my mother. This was gonna be a hard one as she was in hospital recovering from fluid on her lungs, turn out it was the best place for her, as they ended up “assisting” her to calm done. She broke my heart, she just kept saying, “but no, we just got her back, we just got her back. how can they take her away again..”" I t was so hard being away from them and having to break this horrible news…
as we all know things \have just gotten worse from there. Hearing them remove the amber alert and change it to a homocide…… how to handle that? ther eis no book to tell you what to do. there are no pamphlets telling you what to do next.. I just curled up in a ball and cried. I cried from the physical pain that I was feeling, from the anger that someone could do this to her, for my mother and sister who were so far away, and at that point, and of anger with myself, that I had somehow let this happen.

I’m sorry, excuse my rambling… I’m off to pull myself back together…..
again thank you

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 biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 09:10:06 }
Val

it was this timing that had me in complete disbelief. Was it karma/Fate that brought me back to Zahra now, to help fight for her..? or was it my finding her that could have triggered these events? these are questions I have tried to stop asking myself because I was driving myself into a very dark and miserable place.
I understand that some hteories as to what happened are horrific, and noone wants to think of them as a reality, but it is these things I, and my family have to prepare ourselves for. In this circumstance, if we don’t accept the worst now we will never handle when whatever truth is revealed.

there is one point I do ant to put “on record”, that to me is very important. While I am far from a fan of the Bakers, I do have to give some appreciation and thanks to Karen, GM. From what I can understand of Zahra’s medical records, it was Karen who nursed her trhough her cancers, and was te one to take her to most of her Physio appointments etc. while I despise the fact she had part in keeping Zahra from me, I thank her for being there during some of Zahra’s worst times.

**HAT TIP TO VALHALL FOR PROVIDING A PLACE FOR BIOMUM TO POST! MK

I thought some of you fuyw were saying we didn't knnow anything about Zahra, what she liked, her favorite color or anything.  Lucky has met Zahra and shares her encounter~

» Lucky said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 07:10:05 }
I have followed these posts from the beginning, from the minute I saw little Zahra’s face pictured in an article, my heart dropped as I realised that I knew this precious little girl. As heartbreaking as it is to read the theories and stories being discussed on the forum boards, I feel compelled to read them and follow so closely, as like all of you I want closure for this darling little spirit.

I was fortunate enough to have spent a short time with Zahra while she was within the oncology ward, and have always treasured that time. It’s hard to explain as I was only lucky enough to have met her handful of times, and anyone who has spent time within a children’s hospital will understand, but you have ‘moments’ with these kids, and for me, she was always mine.

I wish I could go back to the moment sitting on her bed, her bright laughing face looking up at me, her pink flannelette pj’s hiding her leg amputation while she crazily went about making an imaginary cake, while watching Jamie Oliver and telling me in great detail all about how much she loved cooking. Her infectious laugh, and the twinkle in her eye was luminous while shattering against the stark hospital background. I remember looking at her then, trying to hide from my face the fact that my heart was breaking for her battling away in a hospital ward, and thinking that she was the most amazing child I had ever met. She continued on with her flurry of ‘baking’ but looked at me with the brightest smile, but the deepest eyes which said you don’t need to worry, I’ll be ok. Much more ‘baking’ ensued, followed by card making, and this funny little lady beetle puzzle which she always thought was utterly hilarious.

Her face and soul simply sparkled with magic, and it is not the tragic turn of events which has made me realise this. Her determination, compassion and sheer delight in life in what seemed like the biggest fight she would face was quite simply, awe inspiring.

I feel lucky to have met Zahra, but a great heaviness that I can not go back to that moment. So many people crossed her path and were touched by her most enchanting spirit, but had no idea what her future held, so sadly didn’t know to save her from it. She taught me that no matter what your fight is, fight it with dignity and strength, and I will keep that forever.

**AGAIN THANK YOU, VALHALL- MK

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/28/zahra-baker-case-a-review-of-yesterdays-activities/

Hello monkeys.  I have been reading here as a guest but not posting for several days, because this case has ripped my heart out.  Not since I followed the Natalie Holloway case have I felt so involved with a missing child case as I do with this one.  Possibly it is the Australian connection but I think mostly it is knowing that this dear little girl in her ten short years had faced and survived more than most of us have to contend with in an entire lifetime, only to be subject to the amount of abuse and neglect that horrifies all of us.

I have read the Bio-mothers postings and believe she is being honest and trying to convey things from her side.  Even if she displays the usual human trait of making things look a little better than they really were, her account of all those years is more than credible to me.

I may be able to shed some light on some subjects queried here.

One of my previous posts in this thread mentions the difficulty in getting a passport without both parents noted on the birth certificate signing their consent.  Unless there was a court order to remove the consent required from one or both parents, the only other way that I know of it could be achieved would be with forged signatures on the required application forms.  If both parents were removed from being guarantors then Zahra would have been declared a ward of the state and subject to the appropriate government authority.  We all  know Stepmom is handy at forgery from her court charges.

Now for the big question of how Zahra could just disappear and her mother be unable to trace her whereabouts.  I have posted extensively about how strict our privacy laws are and how difficult it is for us to sleuth anyone even through google.  Apart from facebook, myspace and similar links or being able to trace someone through our white pages (assuming they do not have a silent phone number and you know the area where they are living) the only way their name may appear in google searches is if they did something noteworthy, either good or bad.  Unsensational local news media items rarely get repeated outside their particular area so items about Zahra that appeared in the Townsville Bulletin in Queensland for her cancer would not even get to the adjoining state of New South Wales where her Bio-mother resided.  And if her Bio-mother had no idea they had moved interstate then she would not have investigated other media sources.

Now for the question of how the Bio-mother was paying child support and not able to use this avenue to trace Zahra.

During my accounting career, I spent many years specialising as a Paymaster for a very large company.  We were required to deduct money as garnishees from the wages of our employees either for debts, alimony or child support.  The way this happens is that the employer is presented with a court order naming the employee and specifying the amount required to be deducted from the employee's weekly wage before the remaining money is paid to the employee.  One copy of this order is given to the employee and the other copy retained by the employer.  The employer signs an acknowledgement that the said person is an employee and undertakes to deduct the specified amount.   

Once moneys have been deducted then at the end of each calendar month, either four or five weekly amounts depending on number of weekly pay days in the month, they are remitted to the relevant government department or court.  In Zahra's case this would have been Child Support Agency.  This agency would then remit to the father's bank account, either monthly or quarterly.  Zahra's father could also have kept his Australian bank account current and accessed the moneys from the US.  I do not know how that would be done.

I hope that this explains how persons paying and those receiving the money in this manner are kept totally separate and no communication can be established.

Adding that I wish we could find another more respectful term to use rather than Bio-mother.

Tibrogargan you have summed it up nicely, I think it is difficult for people to understand how strict our privacy laws have become here in Aus and how near impossible it is to find someone who doesn't want to be found.

And.....I also agree with you and wish there was a better name to use rather than Biomum.

G'day Nightowl.  It must be so mystifying for others to understand how we are regulated by our legislations when everyone and everything is so open and easiily accessible in the USA.  And no, we do not feel we are living in a restrictive society. We value our privacy.

I also wanted to welcome all the new monkeys from Australia.  After almost four years as a monkey it is very nice to have others join who also live here.  I hope you will begin posting and share your thoughts with us all.

Tibro - thanks for all the info.  It does make it easier to understand and I wish, like the rest of you, that bioMom could have found and saved Zahra from her horrible life sooner.  I guess there really is no need for me to express my thoughts about bioMom since I'm sure she will have many sleepless nights for the rest of her life.  Even though I do feel she is in some way responsible, I also feel very sorry her.

In all fairness, it hasn't been revealed to us how AB was able to move and take Zahra with him.  We don't know what the situation was with him and Zahra's bio-mother.

Perhaps we shouldn't judge too harshly until the facts are known a little better.

We don't know how AB was able to the leave the country, AU, without parental consent of Zahra's mother.

What we do know is AB and EB were responsible for Zahra's well being and apparently, failed miserably.  If we are going to place blame, it needs to be on the guilty parties~MK

Thank you for all of your helpful information Tibrogargan.  Could Zahra's mother have filed contempt charges on AB for breaking the custody agreement?

I am having trouble with the story as well.  Although, I do feel sorry for the biomum..... I also feel we don't have the entire story.  It seems to me, Zahra could have been found through the courts.

Did I read early in this thread that today they will convene the Grand Jury in this case to start reviewing the evidence they have recovered so far?  I am anxious to see who that evidence leads to as far as charges. Whether it will be EB or AB or both or if someone else is also involved.   

 

Got it!!

Bio-mum custody agreement/how AB wound up with Zahra:

» biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 12:10:58 }
to those who are understandably skepical of me, and/or my “story”, it is a long story, as you could imagine, and I do understand all your questions. you do need to bare with me though. While it is easy for you to all cast doubt on my situation, and make judgement on what you believe to know, it is not that easy for me to live through the pain of this whole situation, and also relive the emotions of when she was first taken from my life.
I’ll make things short and sweet as I can…

*the media has stated I have not Zahra since she was 8mths old – false (and I do have photo evidence to prove that, when I am more comfortable with the public knowing who I am)
*My relationship with Adam with full of manipulation and mental & emotion abuse which left me an empty shell of who I was. Once Zahra was born I suffered severe post natal depression, and that was worsened when I finally gained the strength to leave him and was left to try and raise Zahra on my own. I could barely look after myself, let alone a baby (as much as I wanted to), so Zahra began living with Adam (I assumed he would at least treat his daughter well). We had discussed it so that I could see her whenever I could while I got back on my feet, and then she would come back to live with me. This never happened…
One day I had gotten a lift from a friend to Adam’s to see Zahra, and when we arrived at his unit is was empty, no furniture, no nothing. He had up and left with her without notifying me. I went to the police, but because there were no custody orders in place at the time it was not regarded a crime, and they could not really help me, so it was up to me to try and find her.
*after a lot of searching, and legal advice, I managed to track down Adam and get custody papers drawn up and put through the courts, which were finalised 9th July 2001. These stated that Zahra was to reside with Adam in Newcastle (7hrs from me) but was basically “joint custody”. I was to have her school holidays, anytime throughout the year in 4 day blocks etc, and we were to (and I quote the custody papers) “have joint responsibility for the long term care, welfare and development of the child”. I got to see her once, and he disappeared again.
*It has been 8 years since I have seen her, and yes I now have 2 more children which are my everything. What I have never had is endless funds to keep paying solicitors to keep tracking him down. Here in Australia you can easily hide if you want to, our privacy laws are amazingly strict.
*I was not told she was sick until 2007, and then the person to notify me was told by Adam not to notify of their whereabouts, or her illness, but this person felt that was wrong and told me Zahra was in Queensland and very ill. As soon as I was made aware I applied for her medical records which I regularly updated, but once again privacy laws prevented me from knowing where she was, except for the state.
*In 2008 i finally hit on an article with a pic of her from a cancer camp, while it let me know she was doing ok, it was no help as to anymore detail.
*Assuming there was no way she was out of the country, I refined my searches to Australia, which is why I never found anything after that one article, it seems she had been taken to the US…..
*They are claiming they the bakers) and the authourities tried to contact me when leaving the country but failed, but this is also false. I have payed child support to her every single week since she left my custody, I recieve a family allowance for my other children, and zahra is also linked to my medicare card. All these things are provided by government agencies so I am easily found, unlike themselves….

I hope this is enough to keep you skeptics happy, because it has hurt me like hell bringing it all up. While I don’t feel I should have to explain myself to the world, I have had enough of people passing judgement (and harshly) on something they know absolutely nothing about, and at a time when my emotions are already running wild.
Now please just let me grieve for my daughter, and for all the lost chances I never had with her. I am more eager than anyone for this truth to come out, so lets finally shift our focus to that.

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**TY Valhall~ MK

Zahra's mother/Zahra's mum, both seem ok to me
i prefer Zahra's mum

Hey CW!

This went with that last post from Bio-mum, Zahra's mother:

» biomum said: { Oct 28, 2010 - 12:10:51 }
rereading my last post, I do apologise for the tone I took by the end. I don’t want to attack anybody, nor do I want to come across as someone I’m not. This whole thing has my head in all sorts of places. one minute I’m crying and the next I just want to break something. I guess the subject of Adam makes me feel more of the latter.
I do understand all of your confusion, th media confuse matters and Adam has never done anything but lie.
Please accept my apology, and I hope the info I have given you has made things a little clearer. I also hope that none of you mind the occassional rant from me on here…

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/27/zahra-baker-case-why-is-the-mattress-important/#comments

I thought I had read that also.

I love it too...thanks CBB...

sorry mk didnt know you were posting

i think Zahra's mum is sincere, she is just in the zone of WTH is going
on, and feeling a little boxed in i imagine

Has to be an extremely rough place for any parent to be in. 

I hope she has good nurturing and supportive people around her.

Police returning to Zahra Baker home
Investigators have evidence but no proven leads in 10-year-old's recent disappearance.


Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/01/1802698/police-making-another-visit-to.html#ixzz142YjObHY
Searchers will continue looking for any clues in the disappearance of a 10-year-old Hickory girl this week. They are likely to return to the family's house, where they spent much of last week digging up the yard and sifting through piles of mulch.

Hickory Police Deputy Chief Clyde Deal said Sunday that searchers will probably return to Zahra Baker's house early today, and authorities will then decide where to focus for the rest of the week.

No one has been charged yet with abducting or killing Zahra, reported missing by her father and stepmother Oct. 9. Police have treated her disappearance as a homicide investigation for several weeks.

District Attorney Jay Gaither hasn't said if his office is preparing charges but has said he is consulting with the N.C. Attorney General's office and other prosecutors on the issue of prosecuting a murder if the victim's body isn't recovered.

"The absence of a body is not considered to be a bar to prosecution by my office," Gaither wrote recently in an e-mail.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/01/1802698/police-making-another-visit-to.html

Punishment was her routine

(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/0/354/118953/zahra-america-1/)

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/punishment-was-her-routine-ar-500792/

Maybe the mattress dna is so important because......

If they have the date of purchase of the new mattress and Zahra's dna is NOT on that mattress at all, they will know she was not sleeping in that bed since the date of purchase!

Zahra's stepmom to appear in court Monday morning


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of Zahra Baker is expected to appear in court in Burke County on Monday, some time after 10 a.m.Elisa Baker is being held in the Catawba County Jail on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of her missing 10-year-old stepdaughter, Zahra.

MORE....

http://hickory.wbtv.com/content/zahras-stepmom-appear-court-monday-morning

And was dad okay with this kind of punishment?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not that I ever was in such a situation, but I was 18, 20, once... and I know that sometimes when we are young we often take the easy way out of situations, and let's say that caring for a child is not always a task that a young woman wants to undertake out of choice.

She could hardly take care of herself, let alone a child. So, she let Adam care for her baby.

Though... she mentioned that Adam abused her and left her demoralized... an empty shell of herself, as she put it. So, leaving her daughter on the care of the man who abused her and made her a mush-pile is not my idea of good judgment, but... again... she was young.

I am not judging her, or wanting to put any guilt on her - only EACH of us know what we can, and cannot, handle.

Some of us do make REALLY bad choices when young, mistakes that haunt us for the rest of our lives.

Maybe now she sees the situation differently, as she has aged and possibly matured enough to see things clearer.

By her statements she seems to be on public aid, and she mentioned "Medicare", which I think it's the Aussie Medicaid. So, with two more children she may not have much money to hire lawyers or investigators to pursue her search out of the country.

When she mentioned that she located the Bakers via Facebook/friend a week before Zahra's disappearance, this thought comes to mind, "did the Bakers hide Zahra in fears of getting in trouble with the law, or having Zahra taken away?"

With the details coming out on the news, I can answer that with a big "NO!"

There should be NO PRIVACY where the welfare of a child is concerned!  I don't care what country it is! 

The neighbors were all concerned about Zahra, but they stopped short of saving her life. 

There was a man, in Wyoming I believe, who was a town bully.  He was vicious!  He kept hurting people and getting away with it.  One day there was some sort of town gathering, and the bully was there.  A shot rang out.  The bully was killed.  Amazingly, there were absolutely no witnesses.  As far as I know, no one was ever charged with his murder.  It's too bad something like that didn't happen to stepmonster!

Raw Video : Elisa Baker at Burke Co. court

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

From the raw video

So, if they could find her, then why couldn't they find him. After all, if it were joint custody, wouldn't him taking her be considered kidnapping? This should have given enough probable cause to find him.

OK, I guess I should mention (sometimes stuff gets lost in print that you can't convey in conversation), that I'm not placing blame on mum for not having found her. I'm placing blame on the fact that the government should have had or found a way to find him. If he took her away, and she had orders, then they should have had a way to find them.

Investigators back at Zahra's house in Hickory.
http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

Investigators are working inside the house, not digging.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

Zahra's stepmom to appear in court Monday afternoon


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - The stepmother of Zahra Baker is expected to appear in court in Burke County on Monday afternoon to face a larceny charge unrelated the 10-year-old girl's disappearance.
Elisa Baker will appear in Burke County court for a probable cause hearing on the larceny charge at 2 p.m.  She is being held in the Catawba County Jail on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of her missing 10-year-old stepdaughter, Zahra.

Elisa Baker was taken to the Burke County Courthouse in Morganton around 10 am Monday. She was later taken back to Catawba County after it was determined her larceny charge will require a probably cause hearing. She is expected back in Morganton for the hearing at 2 pm.

MORE...

http://morganton.wbtv.com/content/zahras-stepmom-appear-court-monday-afternoon?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thanks.   The biomom saying that while she was pregnant she had no contact with her mom and sister, now I see how easy it was to manipulate a baby from a 18 year old  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't think that I would know what to all do in that situation.

On that top pic of Elisa she is looking like she is picking at her arm like a meth head.

It does look like she has those imaginary spider crawling.  Anyone know how long DT's last for crack or meth?

That was my first thought too. 

Now that I don't know how long DT's take for meth or crack.

Absolutely!!

Custodial Interference, Contempt of Court, I don't know how the court's work in Australia.  Perhaps some of our Aussie Monkeys can address this issue and clarify this for us.

Becuase the monies for Zahra were going through the system, wouldn't the amount of the support be on the custody order that AB should have received a copy of?

What I'm trying to ask, I guess is, would there be any way through the child support system in Australia, that AB would have recieved this court documentation on the custody issue?

Also, on their financial disclosure, at least with elisa, they claimed they only received 600.00 a month from Ab's employment and 200.00 in food stamps.

I am curious to know what the amount Zahra's mother has been paying these two clowns all this time which hasn't been accounted for.  This opens up a whole other can of worms- FRAUD.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am thoroughly discusted by these two slobs.

Everyday it's something new.  I can't wait to see what new info tomorrow brings.

I think Eric Estrada said it best about the Bakers~

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/napervillini/estrada.jpg)

Hi, new here. I see a new thread, but it's locked. Are we still talking here, I suppose?

Welcome, and yes the new thread is ready for when this one reaches page 50, they will lock this one and unlock the new one and we will move on over there.

hopefully we wont have to use the new thread, i hope they find her soon!!

Welcome to SM, emeraldsky!   ::MonkeyDance::

Yep, it's as ScareyCarrie said. We keep one thread open until page 50, then open the next. There will be a link posted for the new thread when we close this one so everybody can just click it and be there. Making the new thread in advance just makes it easier to change for the moderators. It's one less thing to do at the time.  ::MonkeyWink::

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Welcome, Emeraldsky!!

Someone asked for an image with a unicorn for Zahra. Here's my contribution:

 ::MonkeyDance::  WELCOME emeraldsky  ::MonkeyDance::

Brandi...that is breath taking ::MonkeyAngel::

In Burke County now where Elisa is to be in court at 2:00.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

 ::MonkeyAngel::

It looks to me the way she is handcuffed, she can't do much with her arms..... Looks likes she lost more weight.

That is beautiful Brandi.  Thank you!

I was going to say it took my breath away...but you beat me to it!    ::MonkeyKiss::

Her is ready and waiting to whisk her away!

So it appears that a lot of people at one point tried to save this child. CPS frustrates me beyond anything, I have to admit that. We read this all of the time in these stories, CPS/DDS was called but nothing was done. WTH and why is this ok?

She's is nothing but trash. How could she beat a child who is disabled and vulnerable? I hope the general population gives her a dose of her own medicine and beat the living daylights out of her, not just once, not just twice but everyday for the rest of her sorry life. That is how I feel about people who seriously abuse little kids, especially disabled ones. Nothing but trash!

Beautiful, Brandi!

no rose

My brother is an alcoholic who has not had a drink for about eight years.  Even with the passage of time ... he claims the craving is still there.  However ... when he first entered recovery ... he shared that he would have sold his soul for just one drink.

Could investigators not use Elisa's addiction to an advantage in regardings to the truth encompassing the disappearance of Zahra?

Janet

Self Edit

regardings s/b regards

If Elise and Adam are responsible for the child's death, they should be publicly execution on TV like Gary Gilmore.

Minor charge on Elisa has still not started. See new video of her at 5 on WCNC.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

First - we are dealing with drugs - not booze. Drug addicts are much more likely to do something violent to get drugs than a drunk will to get booze. DTs are ONLY with booze - not drugs. The average withdrawal from drugs is much longer than booze. Drugs effect the dopamine receptors that take longer to recover. She is probably having withdrawal. My suspicion is that she was a tweaker (meth). She is having the bugs crawling under her skin withdrawal that is common with meth withdrawal.

This is MOO with more than a few years of sobriety from booze and work with quite a few druggies. And Janet, I feel bad for your brother. I have not fought the craving since shortly after I quit with the help of the 12 steps and God.

Re DT for Meth...
Watching daughter who has been clean approx 2 years...it never ends as far as craving, sometimes symptoms...God's mercy and her boys what saved her . I thank God every day that we did not lose her or her boys and grateful he helped us to help her before it was too late.

It is a continuing battle...for those who wish to be clean, I do not see this desire in Evilesa.

Hickory PD confirming prosthetic leg found last week in Caldwell COunty was Zahra's.     1 minute ago  via Twitter for BlackBerry® 

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

I fear Zahra, like Haleigh, will never be found..........it seems like something other than her prosthesis should have been found....some trace of something ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

Her lawyer sure could and probably will.

::MonkeyAngel::  Very difficult to do.

Just had a though... just one. :D

Why dispose of the leg away from the body? Shouldn't it make sense that if she was disposed of in the chipper they could've done the same with the leg?

If they disposed of her in the garbage, why not the leg?

If they burned her, why not the leg?

Would it be because the leg would float?

I believe the core of the leg is titanium which would destroy a wood chipper and would not burn. I'm not sure about floating.

It is so difficult to think about this case in the same way that the perpetrators did. That thought process would require a 3 day meth bender and an IQ of about 60.

The leg would tear up a chipper, would not burn, you couldnt get a fire hot enough to burn metal especially if it was titanium, and i dont suspect the leg would float...

Police confirm prosthetic leg belonged to missing girl

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Investigators have confirmed that the prosthetic leg discovered last Wednesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County is in fact the left prosthesis of Zahra Baker.

Hickory Police Department said on Monday that medical records obtained from Australia where the prosthetic leg was originally fitted matched the serial number on the leg.  A scanner was used to extract the serial number from a transponder placed inside the prosthesis.   

The stepmother of Zahra Baker is expected to appear in court in Burke County on Monday afternoon to face a larceny charge unrelated the 10-year-old girl's disappearance.

Elisa Baker will appear in Burke County court for a probable cause hearing on the larceny charge at 2 p.m.  She is being held in the Catawba County Jail on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of her missing 10-year-old stepdaughter, Zahra.


MORE....


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Thanks.

I guess I was wrong on all three.

Maybe next time I get a thought (who knows when that will be) I will at least get some part of it right.

:D

Though... does anyone has a link to explain that her leg had titanium in it?

I had been reading and most materials used are plastics and carbon fiber, thought it may have metal, specially at the joint. Just guessing.

In recent years there have been significant advancements in artificial limbs. New plastics and other materials, such as carbon fiber, have allowed artificial limbs to be stronger and lighter, limiting the amount of extra energy necessary to operate the limb. This is especially important for transfemoral amputees. Additional materials have allowed artificial limbs to look much more realistic, which is important to transradial and transhumeral amputees because they are more likely to have the artificial limb exposed.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosthesis

Knowing that her family had been in public aid, maybe on public health care (as the mother suggested on her quoted statements posted here this morning)... I guess Zahra got the cheap type of prosthesis. Again, guessing.

:)

 ::MonkeyAngel::

The cravings no longer consumes my brother's life but ... there are triggers that cry out for a cold beer.  Working in the yard on a hot summer day is one.  Another trigger is Chinese Food.

My brother also gives thanks to God and ... to the 12 step program for his present lot in life.  This year he celebrated his 40th anniversary to his teenage sweetheart.  He has reconciled relationships with two fine sons and ... is a proud grandpa three times over who is enjoying the journey.

Could it be that Eliza is so desperate for a fix of whatever she is addicted to at this point in time that she would reveal all regarding the disappearance of Zahra if she thought for one minute that craving could be satisfied?

Janet

Klaas/Mods

Please delete post 375.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

My beloved nephew is an addict.  He has used since age 8. I cannot imagine a drug he has not tried.  He is now 31.   For the past six years or so, his drug of choice has been crack.  He is currently incarcerated...AGAIN.

I have witnessed my boy strip naked and pour water on himself until the water came through the ceiling.   He has run naked down the street.   His nightmare is he is on fire.   He bounces off the walls, breaking the light switches, etc.

After a few uses, he is paranoid....I will not even attempt to tell you how bad that gets.  Once he starts, there is no stopping him.  I have seen my boy leave my home, find him a week later and he looks like the mentally ill homeless men SHUFFLING down the street. 
He has been drug behind a car leaving one holy mess of his body.

What I know is this...crack effects people differently.  Not all have the horrendous hallucinations, etc. 
My boy has a significant history of car theft that generally ends in high speed chases.  He knows he cannot win, but the drugs drive him. 
There is no one my boy would not steal from or betray. 


If crack is involved with the Bakers, there is NOTHING they will not do when high and nothing they will not do to get more drug.  I belond to several crack recovery support groups ( for families and friends ).  We all have the same story. 

HICKORY --
Investigators confirmed  today that the prosthetic leg discovered last Wednesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County is the left prosthesis of Zahra Baker.

Medical records obtained from Australia where the prosthetic leg was originally fitted match the serial number on the leg.

A scanner was used to extract the serial number from a transponder placed inside the prosthesis, according to the Hickory Police Department.

Crime scene investigators from the police department and the State Bureau of Investigation continue to search the family home at 21 21st Ave., NW, for additional evidence related to the 10-year-old girl’s disappearance.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/investigators-confirm-prosthesis-belongs-zahra-ar-501906/

Link for the article above.  Sorry

Police confirm prosthetic leg belonged to missing girl

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Investigators have confirmed that the prosthetic leg discovered last Wednesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County is in fact the left prosthesis of Zahra Baker.

Hickory Police Department said on Monday that medical records obtained from Australia where the prosthetic leg was originally fitted matched the serial number on the leg.  A scanner was used to extract the serial number from a transponder placed inside the prosthesis.   

Also on Monday, Elisa Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, was indicted by a Grand Jury on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of her missing 10-year-old stepdaughter.

Elisa Baker appeared in court in Burke County on Monday afternoon to face a larceny charge unrelated the 10-year-old girl's disappearance.  No word yet on what transpired there.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Okie Dokie, Janet!  ::MonkeyWink:: You'll never ask again, right?    ::MonkeyTongue::

If the wicked witch has been cooperating with the cops, why are they indicting her for obstruction? Because she's not telling what they did to Zahra's body?
Why is Adam Baker still prancing around free?
He should be back behind bars.

The obstruction charge is for the ransom note she forged.

Itaryl, you have to keep remembering that Australia is a lot different than the US. They have national health there, everyone is covered. And if they are like England, which I think they are, every child gets an allowance automatically. I have a very good friend from England. They owned two Pubs before coming to the states and their son got a government allowance and everyone got free health care. She really got a shock when they came over here.

Congratulations to your brother for staying sober for 8 years! that is wondeful Janet.

Wow good thinking. I have been scratching my head over the questions you asked but never thought about the floating aspect. Why didn't they just bury it though so it could not be found? Do you think perhaps they wanted to have the leg found?

Well I still say it was a great thought. We are not always going to hit homeruns, sometimes just showing up to the game helps the team. You did good.

Oh gosh Terri your post made me cry for you. I am so sorry, it must be so painful to watch somebody you love go through this. I can honestly say, I hate drugs and alcohol. So many lives have been ruined because of them. Such a waste in my opinion.
Prayers to you for your continued strength

::MonkeyAngel:: So very sad, and I so agree with what you sad about the Bakers and would do anything when high, and do anything to get more drugs. I'm sure the plan they put together made perfect sense to them  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Cross my heart and ... my fingers.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

5:30 update video from wsoctv.

The work they are doing this week has nothing to do with information obtained from either EB or AB. They have not talked to EB since they took her on the field trip last week. They have not talked to AB since he was released from jail.

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25597830/index.html

Shows them taking equipment in to remove pieces of wall in the house.

Thanks, Brandi.

I just saw on my FB. Breaking news stepmom gets indicted. Sorry if u guys already no

 ::MonkeyGavel::

In Catawba County, a grand jury indicted the girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, on a felony count of obstruction of justice.

The charge stems from a fake ransom note Elisa Baker allegedly wrote to confuse investigators back on October 9th when Zahra was first reported missing.

As the grand jury was hearing evidence, Elisa Baker was in court in Morganton in Burke County on an unrelated charge.

That charge involved theft of a quantity of money and it was dropped when prosecutors could not produce enough evidence against her.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Step-Mother-of-Missing-Hickory-Girl--106478488.html

So the larceny charge was dropped.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Step-Mother...106478488.html

Wow. At the end they are bringing plywood in so wondering if it is outside walls, possibly ceiling or even floors they are ripping apart?  I am not sure they would bring in plywood unless for their own safety so really leaning on flooring and that crawlspace under the house IMO.

Police say prosthetic leg is Zahra's; Stepmom indicted on obstruction charge

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Investigators have confirmed that the prosthetic leg discovered last Wednesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County is, in fact, the one belonging to missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Hickory Police Department said on Monday that medical records obtained from Australia, where the prosthetic leg was originally fitted, matched the serial number on the leg.  A scanner was used to extract the serial number from a transponder placed inside the prosthesis, which was used as Zahra's left leg.   

Also on Monday, Elisa Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, was indicted by a Catawba County Grand Jury on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of the missing girl.

As she was being indicted in one county, Elisa Baker appeared in court in Burke County on Monday afternoon to face a felony larceny charge unrelated the 10-year-old girl's disappearance.  No evidence was presented in that case and it was continued until Dec. 6 when Baker will have to be back in Burke County Court.

MORE...
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

larceny charge continued to Dec 6th.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Step-Mother-of-Missing-Hickory-Girl--106478488.html


Stepmother of missing Hickory girl indicted

by RAD BERKY / NewsChannel 36
E-mail Rad: RBerky@WCNC.com

WCNC.com

Posted on November 1, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Updated today at 6:43 PM

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C.-- There were new developments in the case of Zahra Baker Monday.

The 10-year-old Hickory girl has been missing now for just over three weeks.

In Catawba County, a grand jury indicted the girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, on a felony count of obstruction of justice.

The charge stems from a fake ransom note Elisa Baker allegedly wrote to confuse investigators back on October 9th when Zahra was first reported missing.

As the grand jury was hearing evidence, Elisa Baker was in court in Morganton in Burke County on an unrelated charge.

That charge involved theft of a quantity of money and it was dropped when prosecutors could not produce enough evidence against her.

Hickory Police investigators also confirmed that a prosthetic leg found last week was the one Zahra had worn.

Investigators say medical records from Australia where the girl was fitted for the prosthesis confirmed it was hers.

At the house in Hickory where Zahra lived, investigators were back looking Monday for more evidence.

They have not said what they are looking for but appeared to focus attention on the kitchen where more cabinets were removed and brought out into the yard.

A memorial in the front yard continues to grow with people leaving gifts and even Halloween candy for the little girl that so many people now wish they had been able to help.

<snipped>

At the house in Hickory where Zahra lived, investigators were back looking Monday for more evidence.

They have not said what they are looking for but appeared to focus attention on the kitchen where more cabinets were removed and brought out into the yard.

A memorial in the front yard continues to grow with people leaving gifts and even Halloween candy for the little girl that so many people now wish they had been able to help.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Step-Mother-of-Missing-Hickory-Girl--106478488.html

Video says that there were two charges she was in court for today, one was from 1992 when her name was Lisa Foster and they had to stay that larceny charge to Dec 6 as they have to go find the witnesses from that charge.

Also two searches today, one at the house and one in Caldwell county

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Elisa Baker indicted; prosthesis confirmed as Zahra's
Police: Prosthetic leg found in Caldwell County was Zahra's.

HICKORY --
The Catawba County Grand Jury indicted Elisa Baker Monday, the same day Hickory police confirmed that the prosthetic leg that was found in Caldwell County last week belonged to Elisa’s stepdaughter, Zahra.

Elisa Baker, 42, was indicted on one count of felony obstructing justice. The indictment stated that the offense happened on Oct. 9, the day Zahra was reported missing by her father, Adam Baker. According to the indictment, Elisa “unlawfully, willfully and feloniously did with deceit and intent to defraud a police investigation, obstruct justice by constructing and placing a false ransom letter and reporting an abduction of her stepdaughter, Zahra Baker.”

Elisa is currently jailed under a $92,200 bond. Of that, $65,000 is for the obstruction of justice charge. The remaining bond is for other charges Elisa faces unrelated to the disappearance of her stepdaughter.

Zahra’s disappearance was first believed to be a missing persons case. However, just three days into the investigation, on Oct. 12, Hickory police changed it to a homicide investigation, but declined to state what made them change their determination. Someone outside the family last saw Zahra, age 10, on Sept. 25 at a furniture store in Hickory. She was with Elisa.

Zahra, a cancer survivor, lost her lower left leg to the illness, as well as part of her hearing. She used a prosthetic leg and hearing aids as a result. The two hearing aids were found at the home when she was reported missing, but her prosthetic leg was not.

On Tuesday, Oct. 26, Hickory police found a prosthetic leg in the brush off Christie Road in Caldwell County. On Monday, police confirmed that the prosthetic was, in fact, Zahra’s.

“The medical records matched the serial numbers on this prosthesis,” said Tom Adkins, chief of the Hickory Police Department.

There was a transponder on the inside of the prosthesis found on Christie Road, and Hickory police had to use a scanner to determine the serial number, Adkins said.

Police then had to contact the facility in Australia that fitted Zahra’s prosthesis to determine if it was the same one that was found in Caldwell County.

Adkins explained why the process took some time, saying not only did the police department need to get assistance with scanning the transponder, but that the records couldn’t just be emailed.

“When you are getting medical records from another country, to positively confirm it, you need to have the records mailed to you and have them in-hand,” he said.

Anyone with information about the investigation is asked to call the Hickory Police Department, at 328-5551.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/7/elisa-baker-indicted-obstruction-charge-ar-502190/

hmmmmm, wouldnt the dogs have hit on something in the house

maybe they thought someone saw and was in a hurry, as far as the chipper
idea, where would/could of that happened unnoticed

map
http://tinyurl.com/234v3qw

YOUNG,ELISA
ANETTE
A. 3330 Ester Ln, Hudson, NC 28638-9223

BAKER,ELISA, not sure when the bakers lived here
ANNETTE
B. 4010 Phillip Ln, Hudson, NC 28638-9532

leg found at
C. Christie Rd, Hudson, NC 28638

dates for those addy, are prob here, i didnt look
Part 1
http://www.wikiupload.com/G5LMklkF

Part 2
http://www.wikiupload.com/EHEzcJ6V

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8870.msg1255845#msg1255845

im sorry A ahould have read she was not a baker

Do you guys think she was killed in that house? And was wondering would there be a smell since it has been this long?

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/investigators-return-baker-house-seize-evidence-ar-502595/

(http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/119206/hdr_zahra-search-11-1/)

Published: November 01, 2010

Investigators return to Baker house; seize evidence
By Sarah Newell williamson

Investigators returned to the Bakers’ Hickory home for the sixth day in a row to search for evidence. This time, they took large pieces of the interior of the house with them.

On Monday, investigators had the Hickory Fire Department aid their search, using tools that included a chainsaw, axe, wrenches and two types of Halligan bars. Other power tools were also used while SBI and Hickory police investigators searched the inside of Adam and Elisa Baker’s home on 21st Avenue, NW.

Periodically, an investigator would come out with a bag. Investigators and Hickory firefighters resumed their scouring of the house, focusing on Zahra’s room in the right rear of the house. Dull thudding noises came from the room, strong enough to rattle the windows. Noises from power tools then ensued. Another investigator entered the house with a lump hammer.

About 10 minutes later, the SBI and Hickory police investigators emerged, clutching a section of drywall from the room about 4 feet across, splotched pink on one side and gray on the other. They also brought out other evidence, concealed in brown paper bags larger than their torsos.

Zahra Clare Baker, 10, has been missing for nearly a month and Hickory police, in conjunction with several other agencies, have worked avidly to find her. She was first reported missing by her father, Adam Baker, on Oct. 9. On Oct. 12, that was changed to a homicide investigation. Someone outside of the family last saw Zahra on Sept. 25 at a furniture store in Hickory. Zahra was in the store with her stepmother, Elisa Baker. Elisa, 42, is currently in jail for writing a false ransom note, in which she demanded $1 million. Police charged Elisa with obstruction of justice. On Monday, Elisa was indicted on the same charge. She has also been arrested on several other charges unrelated to Zahra’s disappearance.

Several areas have been searched for Zahra or for evidence in connection with her disappearance, including a landfill in Caldwell County, several former rental properties or sites near where the Bakers use to live in Caldwell County and Adam Baker’s employer, Real Tree Services, in Morganton.

“We’re seizing every piece of evidence relating to the case,” said Tom Adkins, chief of the Hickory Police Department. “Hopefully we can piece together what occurred.”

Adkins said investigators were led back to the house for additional evidence based on new leads.

“Information that we gathered led us back to more evidence that may be present,” he said.

He said other areas of Caldwell County were also searched Monday, based on tips the police department received over the weekend.

Adkins said those tips are not from Elisa Baker or her attorney, Lisa Dubs.

“We haven’t spoken to her attorney since (last) Tuesday,” he said.

Anyone with information about the investigation is asked to call the Hickory Police Department at 328-5551.

O/t just saw this on my FB. I didn't know anything about this story just thought it was worth shareing some good news.   Nancy Grace UPDATE: Laudan Taiby just found alive!a

The stuff they are bringing out of the house and what they are all doing in the house is scary, what in the world were they all doing to that child in there?

It is starting to sound like Zahra could have died in her bedroom. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Why would they take out kitchen cabinets which the other article stated?  On NG Jinkasaurus said more dogs have entered the house as well.

(BBM) Probably in her bed, as well.

Thus the throwing away of her mattress and getting a new one.

No clue about the cabinets.

This is just so sad to even think about.

Wouldn't they know if zahra was in the house just by the smell?

That really bothers me, the kitchen cabinets, can't imagine really why those are of interest.

I just heard on either Jane or NG that they're taking apart the wall in Zahra's bedroom.

On Monday, investigators had the Hickory Fire Department aid their search, using tools that included a chainsaw, axe, wrenches and two types of Halligan bars. Other power tools were also used while SBI and Hickory police investigators searched the inside of Adam and Elisa Baker’s home on 21st Avenue, NW.

Periodically, an investigator would come out with a bag. Investigators and Hickory firefighters resumed their scouring of the house, focusing on Zahra’s room in the right rear of the house. Dull thudding noises came from the room, strong enough to rattle the windows. Noises from power tools then ensued. Another investigator entered the house with a lump hammer.   ::MonkeyEek::  why would they need wrenches in a bedroom unless there was a common wall with a bathroom or kitchen and they are taking the plumbiing apart?

They could be removing the plumbing and pipes in the kitchen/bath to check if cleanup was performed? Maybe garbage disposal?

OMG, I'm completely lost with all this, never heard of a lump hammer, and all those power tools  ::MonkeyEek::  Did they have her hid in a secret place? Seriously I have no idea.

::MonkeyNoNo:: For blood, what all happened inside that house?

A lump hammer is just another name for a sledge hammer.

so sad for this little girl..she deserved soooooo much more from life! 

I had to look up what a lump hammer was.  It is like a miniature sledge hammer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halligan_bar mostly used with a chisel

and here is a halligan bar used mostly for prying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halligan_bar

That makes sense especially with them ripping out kitchen cabinets today and putting them in the backyard.

::MonkeyShocked:: Thanks, wish someone would explain why you would use a sledge hammer in a house, because I have no idea about these tools and why you would use them in an investigation inside a house. In other words the inside of the house must be demolished.

Thanks for the definitions for those tools. But to look for blood in a drain, would one have to rip apart all that? If indeed that is what they are looking for?

In this video stating at -0:24 you can see investigators going through the back door and there is a rack on the back landing that looks like it could have come from a pantry.   http://www.wcnc.com/news/Step-Mother-of-Missing-Hickory-Girl--106478488.html

It does, did they hold her captive in a pantry?

AY's FB just went private

  It is a bakers rack. I have one sitting in my dining/kitchen area.(Edit to add missing quote bracket-MB)

Oops, dang, hate when I think inside the box!
It is a bakers rack. I have one sitting in my dining/kitchen area.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41kd0MXbjpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)