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Hailey Dunn latest: Child porn, bestiality on computer evidence seized in case

Hailey Dunn latest: Child porn, bestiality on computer evidence seized in case

Colorado City, Tex. - Authorities involved in the case of missing Colorado City, Texas teen Hailey Dunn, announced Thursday that photos and video containing “deviant acts” were found on a computer and a memory stick confiscated during the investigation into her disappearance...
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Word of the latest evidence is spreading

sebastian

I find that truly amazing.  My thought process tells me ... I could never have forgiven that animal.  I can only conclude that God grants the Grace to do the unimaginable when that Grace is required

Janet

Titch

Who is Christine?

Thanks

Janet

Hi Janet,
I have always loved "Let Go, Let God". I love yours so much better!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Capp

I believe that investigators are connecting the dots and ... Shawn Adkins is going to go down.  In other words ... justice will prevail for Hailey Dunn.

Janet

That is a beautiful framed graphic tribute to Hailey....I am on literally no sleep both livid & heart wrenched, Hailey has a special place in my heart as long as it still beats along with so many  ::MonkeyAngel::

I do too, hopefully with Billie in tow...its times like this that I reevaluate things like water boarding & the like to get info out of scum, its well overdue for us to find Hailey and get the justice she deserves for whatever was done to her  ::MonkeyJustice::

Psycho boyfriend's mother

Woo hoo....mission accomplished!

Traffick911Traffick911 friends, we have been working with Clint Dunn to make sure he is up to speaking at the rally Sunday, and he is, but needs your thoughts and prayers. Under the circumstances, Billie will not be speaking. We would like to encourage you to join us in keeping this focused on Hailey and children who suffer from any kind of trafficking. Thank you for helping us do that on this page.6 minutes ago

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Traffick911/184480058955

I thought it was really strange that they would get rid of Hailey's dog when they were looking for a living child. You would think that they would want to keep her pet for when she returned home. After the recent revelations  I wonder if the dog was on any of the images and could be used as evidence.

Sorry, I just saw this. Capp's right - Shawn's mom.

Yippee!

Wasnt stepping on precious tootsies, just didnt see you so I took the liberty  ::MonkeyWink::

is that puter BD and SA puter,and was taken to SA moms,or it is SA moms puter
if it was SA moms puter,she had to know something was on the puter,even if it
was an encrypted file,or a file buried in many folders,could SA mom be charged
with porn too.
maybe some of that material,could/will hint to where hailey is

I am so glad that this hit FB like a wild fire.........I posted 13 hrs ago and went to sleep furious, woke up and just had a chance to check the laptop, 26 comments under mine and literally tons of other comments of likeminded peeps asking that Billie not be there as a speaker , grrrrrr. I am still angry about this ::MonkeyMad::

News outlets are picking up on the new evidence:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446
Pornographic Images Seized in Hailey Dunn Investigation

Investigators found more than 100,000 pictures and videos depicting pornography and deviant acts on a computer seized Jan. 7 during the investigation into Hailey Dunn's disappearance, according to documents obtained by Bigcountryhomepage.com.
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A memory card and CD-R found in the bedroom of Hailey's mom, Billie Dunn, and suspect Shawn Adkins, contained 320 images and videos of pornography, an affidavit from Mitchell County says. 

Those were seized during a consensual search of their home, where Hailey was last seen on Dec. 27.
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consensual search ....what damasses!

Well guess what IM....Traffick911 Traffick911 friends, we have been working with Clint Dunn to make sure he is up to speaking at the rally Sunday, and he is, but needs your thoughts and prayers. Under the circumstances, Billie will not be speaking. We would like to encourage you to join us in keeping this focused on Hailey and children who suffer from any kind of trafficking. Thank you for helping us do that on this page.   http://www.facebook.com/pages/Traffick911/184480058955

A few of didnt sleep at all last night & got at least one mission accomplished

Billie?  Unless there is evidence that she had "actual" involvement or "immediate"  knowledge in regardings to the happenings that led to her daughter's disappearance ... I do not believe she will be held accountable .... accountable for attempting to obstruct the justice process.  I hope I am wrong.

In my opinion ... both Billie and Clint betrayed their daughter when in their own respective ways failed to protect Hailey despite all the red flags encompassing Shawn and ... they continues to betray Hailey by distancing Shawn from wrongdoing despite the revealed polygraph results and affidavits which expose his lies and deception on the mornng of December 27.  I hope the latest revelation regarding Shawn connection to child pornograph will cause both Billie and Clint to reflect their positions.

Waterboarding?  No need to get physical.  Let Tamikosmom alone with Shawn for an hour.  Ask eldest son about his mother's investigative techniques when he was a teenager ... a teenage who humble his father and mother.  Today ... this guy who has redeemed himself by giving us a lovely DIL and a beautiful grandson ... claims it was me who scared him straight.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

Just playing Devil's Advocate...

If BD didn't have a computer, LE won't be able to prove she knew what was on Jump Drive.  I am "technically" challenged, however shouldn't they have taken the X BOX if it was a possibility that it could be viewed on that system? 

Why are they releasing this information now?  It couldn't have possibly taken this much time to realize it was "deviant" images on the PC and Jump drive.  Is this a scare tactic?  Surely if they could have arrested either one of them...they already would have?  JMO

Clint and Billie were both guests on the NG show on January 4th.  Considering Clint did not say anything contrary when Billie claimed there was no computer in her home ... could it be that Shawn used his mother's computer in regards to pornography but brought the "stick" and videos home and hid them?

In other words ... Could it be that Billie was not aware of Shawn's sick perversion.  I assume Billie's reaction to this latest revelation will tell the story.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Aired January 4, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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GRACE: So police have taken your two disposable cell phones, they have also taken -- you have a computer at home?

B. DUNN: No.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html


UPDATED 10:36 p.m.: ‘Deviant acts,' porn found on digital evidence seized in Hailey Dunn case
By Celinda Emison
Updated Thursday, February 24, 2011

Almost 109,000 images and videos depicting "deviant acts" and pornography were found on a computer and memory stick confiscated in the investigating of the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn, according to authorities investigating the case.
 
The Dell Inspiron 530 computer contained "approximately 108,498 pictures depicting deviant acts," according to evidence seized after a search warrant issued in early January. The computer was confiscated from the home of Shawn Adkins' mother in the 2800 block of Apache Street in Big Spring.
 
Adkins, the former boyfriend of Hailey Dunn's mother, Billie Jean Dunn, is the only named suspect in the case.
 
The search warrants for the digital media were issued by 32nd District Judge Glen Harrison's office in Sweetwater.
 
A memory stick confiscated from a dresser in the master bedroom of the Dunn residence in Colorado City was found to contain "320 images and videos of a pornographic nature."

Both the computer and the memory stick contain images depicting bestiality and child pornography, said Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs.

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/

I was talking in regards to Possession of Child Pornography.   She cant claim ignorance on that &  he if not both will be charged with that first I believe.   I say throw them both in jail & one will rat out the other if they both have knowledge of what happened to Hailey as I largely have suspected since day 1 this case broke.

The internet info was released by authorities.  If I am comprehending ... the media accessed it ... exposed it and ... then authorities responded accordingly.

Janet

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UPDATED 10:36 p.m.: ‘Deviant acts,' porn found on digital evidence seized in Hailey Dunn case
By Celinda Emison
Updated Thursday, February 24, 2011

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Both the computer and the memory stick contain images depicting bestiality and child pornography, said Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs.
 
Criminal charges could be filed regarding the memory stick found at the Dunn residence, Toombs said.
 
"We will have to get with the district attorney in Howard County to see if criminal charges are warranted," Toombs said about the images reportedly found on the computer hard drive.
 
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The results from the search warrants on the electronics were obtained by the Reporter-News through public information requests to the 32nd District Court in Sweetwater, which covers Fisher, Mitchell and Nolan counties.

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http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/

If Billie does not own a computer and ... the evidence found in Billie's home is connected to the computer at the home of Shawn's mom ... could she be charged with possession of pornography?

Years ago ... a small amount of "pot" was found by authorities hidden in my neighbor's home.  Their teenage son was the one who ... unknown to them ... had brought this "pot" into the home.  The young man was held accountable by the justice system but his parents were never implicated.

Janet

Billie denies images are hers and shawns


http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446

Good point.  But as I had mentioned on the previous thread, since it was in her home, in her bedroom, in her dresser, she is the one that I would think LE could show enough evidence to arrest.  AND now that I think of it, they have plenty of evidence that she had ACCESS to a computer (work) because of all the 'hobby' documents they found she had printed out.  BD is in deep right now.

You sure would think so, but you would have to have proof of who was on the computer I guess. I doubt very much if it was Shawn's mother looking at in on her computer, and the memory disk that was in the dresser certainly seems to point to Billie and Shawn, but one would sure think that with a consensual search, one of them would have gotten rid of it. And now I see Billie is denying that it is hers or Shawn, I hate to think who she is going to blame for that being in her dresser.

Thanks 4myjoey

Somehow I do not believe that Billie would have allowed a "consensual" search of the home if she know that "stick" and videos would be found.  IMO

However ... according to this article it appears that Billie continues to protect Shawn despite the recent revelation.  For crying out loud ... where does she think that pornography came from.

Considering the "consenual" confiscation of the computer ... it appears that Shawn's mom was in the dark regarding her son's perverted activities.

Janet

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UPDATE: Porn Seized in Hailey Dunn Investigation
Friday, February 25 2011

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Investigators found more than 100,000 pictures and videos depicting pornography and deviant acts on a computer seized Jan. 7 during the investigation into Hailey Dunn's disappearance, according to documents obtained by Bigcountryhomepage.com.

Michell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs has been quoted as saying the some of the images included child pornography and bestiality.  KTAB reporter Tiffany Tatro is working to confirm that.

A memory card and CD-R found in the bedroom of Hailey's mom, Billie Dunn, and suspect Shawn Adkins, contained 320 images and videos of pornography, an affidavit from Mitchell County says. 

Those were seized during a consensual search of their home, where Hailey was last seen on Dec. 27.

The computer and hard drive said to contain 108,498 pictures depicting deviant acts, were taken from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring.  The affidavit found here states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer.   

Police said Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: As Jerry Springer as this whole case has been, I can't even imagine.  I will FLIP if she attempts to point a finger at HER son! 

Yes, the memory stick or flash drive serve as portables that can go into any computer.   The material is owned & stored on it, that is still possession because it can still be viewed & distributed.

Texas Statues on Possession Child Phonography

§ 43.26. POSSESSION OR PROMOTION OF CHILD
PORNOGRAPHY.  (a) A person commits an offense if:
      (1)  the person knowingly or intentionally possesses
visual material that visually depicts a child younger than 18 years
of age at the time the image of the child was made who is engaging in
sexual conduct;  and
      (2)  the person knows that the material depicts the
child as described by Subdivision (1).
   (b)  In this section:                                                         
      (1)  "Promote" has the meaning assigned by Section
43.25.                   
      (2)  "Sexual conduct" has the meaning assigned by
Section 43.25.           
      (3)  "Visual material" means:                                                 
         (A)  any film, photograph, videotape, negative,
or slide or any photographic reproduction that contains or
incorporates in any manner any film, photograph, videotape,
negative, or slide;  or
        (B)  any disk, diskette, or other physical medium
that allows an image to be displayed on a computer or other video
screen and any image transmitted to a computer or other video screen
by telephone line, cable, satellite transmission, or other method.
   (c)  The affirmative defenses provided by Section 43.25(f)
also apply to a prosecution under this section.
   (d)  An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third
degree.       
   (e)  A person commits an offense if:                                           
      (1)  the person knowingly or intentionally promotes or
possesses with intent to promote material described by Subsection
(a)(1);  and
      (2)  the person knows that the material depicts the
child as described by Subsection (a)(1).
   (f)  A person who possesses visual material that contains six
or more identical visual depictions of a child as described by
Subsection (a)(1) is presumed to possess the material with the
intent to promote the material.
   (g)  An offense under Subsection (e) is a felony of the
second degree. 


Punishment  for second degree felony is imprisonment for a period of
not less than two years and not more than 20 years, and a $10,000 fine.

That is what I am afraid she may do.

O no no no Billie....it was in your bureau drawer & on his computer   BULL and MORE BULL    beeotch please, give it a rest!

The obvious she will blame her children

Thanks 4Mjoey ::MonkeyAngel::

In my opinion, if you are capable of watching/looking at pics and videos of animal bestiality you are capable of murder and much more. This may sound juvenile but when, I look at pics of SA early on all I see is pure evil. He just reeks of it. All of us could see that before any of the videos and porn came out. I think SA will never confess, he is just that evil. Even as he sees what it does to his family and their good names, he will not confess. It is all about SA and he does not care who he destroys. I feel bad for his Uncle Matt, his brother and his Mother Chrisine. Their lives will be forever tainted because of this spawn of the devil named SA.
LE must have much more than we ever imagined.

In the article it states, "A memory card and CD-R found in the bedroom of Hailey's mom, Billie Dunn, and suspect Shawn Adkins, contained 320 images and videos of pornography, an affidavit from Mitchell County says." 

Again not real smart when it comes to "technology", but a memory card is usually used to take pics on a camera.  Of course you can view pics on a computer but they usually originate on a memory card?  correct???? hope this wasn't "snapshots" of love that BD and SA took of themselves??? ::MonkeyShocked::

Again...correct me if I am wrong but a CD-R is just a recordable CD and the images could originate and be viewed by multiple ways. 

This confused me because originally it was called a "Memory Stick".  Since what I know to be a Memory Stick as hardware that would have to be put internally into a computer drive would be difficult to retrieve information from, I assumed it was a Flash/Jump drive....which would be much more difficult to view without the proper ports/equipment?   ::MonkeyQuestion::

It probably didn't dawn on BD that the search wouldn't be confined to HD's room. If she thought they would search her room I'm sure the box of printed material and the memory stick would have been removed.

O but yes that wench is that stupid.   She probably didnt think that they would go thru her drawers ...wait that didnt sound right

Thanks Capp

Why hasn't Shawn and Billie been charged with possession of pornography while investigators connect the dots in the Hailey Dunn Case.  Authorities have had this pornographic evidence for almost two months.  What is the hold up?

Janet

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UPDATED 10:36 p.m.: ‘Deviant acts,' porn found on digital evidence seized in Hailey Dunn case
By Celinda Emison
Updated Thursday, February 24, 2011

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Both the computer and the memory stick contain images depicting bestiality and child pornography, said Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs.
 
Criminal charges could be filed regarding the memory stick found at the Dunn residence, Toombs said.
 
"We will have to get with the district attorney in Howard County to see if criminal charges are warranted," Toombs said about the images reportedly found on the computer hard drive.

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http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/24/deviant-images-found-computer-mother-suspect-case/

wow what took her so long

She had to talk to her boo....funny thing is he's lawyered up and she is not

Its going to the District Attorney

Up until now ... I believe that Billie actions have been immoral in her attempt to  distance Shawn from implication in the disappearance of her daughter but ... not illegal.  With the revelation of the pornography which was found in her home ... I believe that a high power attorney will emerge and ... that will be the last we will hear out of Billie's mouth.

Janet

.... but why is this crime regarding possession of child porn only being address now.  Authorities have been sitting on this evidence for almost two months.

Janet

I follow what you are saying.  I wonder this as well.  Might be a part of what contributed to her son being removed from the home?  I wonder if they were hoping to use it as part of the evidence against SA or BD in regards to Hailey missing.  And then when it was revealed via the open records request, they were forced to have the DA consider it sooner and as a single charge instead of part of a number of charges related to the disappearance.

The computer was at SA's mother -- would DD have access to it.  As far as the flash-drive, there should be fingerprints or dna on it to suggest who had possession of it.

Second thought -- it is referred to as a memory stick.  I use that term to refer to the media card that goes in my camera or phone.  A flash, or jump drive, is something totally different in my terminology.

Janet , they probably sent it to a computer expert not only to view the images but to do a thorough investigation of the hard drive, trace IP's, dust for fingerprints, etc. etc.   They had to catalog every piece.  I think this was already done or almost done but the Reporter requested the public record of same so that is why we are hearing about it now.   It actually probably went with the FBI, not completely positive of that. 

Either way, it doesnt make a difference what portable device it is.

Originally the computer was at Billie's.   It was reported that she called police & then said she was going to pick it up.

i know it as flash memory,just made dif for dif devices, and is utilized by the puter through a usb port,maybe this will help
http://www.ehow.com/topic_5535_introduction-flash-memory.html

so it might be SA or BD puter,and SA moved it to his moms? when he supposedly moved out

Nothing for nothing, Billie and/or Shawn could also face child endangerment charges.   They had that child pornography material in their possession with minor child in the home & since Billie had knowledge of its existence and didnt remove Shawn from the home she put her children at risk.

As to the question as a devil's advocate asking if it is possible she didnt know...logic dictates that although Shawn is a psycho, if he wanted to conceal that magnitude of filth from her he certainly wouldnt have hide it in her bedroom bureau drawer, a place where she goes in and out of on a regular basis.  She had to know it was there.

Reportedly about the time the electronic search warrant was being served 1/5 or 6th, his mother went to Billie's to pick it up.   

I see alot of people are getting confused with le's terminology of the PNY Attache 2GB USB Memory Stick. I have several - 1 for each season's sports with my boys, 1 for each year, special ones for vacations, etc. It's a spacesaver, to say the least, just to save videos and pictures on instead of using space on the computer. When I do my scrapbooking, all I have to do is plug it into the usb port on the computer & all the files I have on it show up - then I just print the pics or whatever is saved. My 14 y/o has honors classes. He is required to have a flash drive for Biology, Calculus, Computer and Technical Literature, and Honors English - 1 for each class. He does his papers, biographies, journal, etc on his computer, plugs the stick into his usb drive, saves it to the stick, then takes it to school to present to his teacher. All the teacher has to do is plug it into the usb on their computer & they see the work immediately.

Here's a link for PNY Attache:
http://www.pny.com/products/flash/attache.asp

Snipped:
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 Attaché comes with a one year warranty
 
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Here's a google search link for these devices:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=PNY+Attache+2gb+USB+Memory+Stick&cp=31&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=PNY+Attache+2gb+USB+Memory+Stick&pbx=1&bav=on.1,or.&fp=aa5fb15027c8932c

why would she do that unless it was her puter,but could she legally,because it is part of a potential crime scene
i smell rotten fish,rotten eggs,something smells  rotten

Capp

Is there a source/link that reveals that there had been a computer in Billie's home and was moved to the home of Shawn's mother following the disappearance of Hailey?

Thanks

Janet

Considering the "consenual" confiscation of the computer on December 30th ... it appears that Shawn's mom was in the dark regarding her son's perverted activities.

Janet

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UPDATE: Porn Seized in Hailey Dunn Investigation
Friday, February 25 2011

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The computer and hard drive said to contain 108,498 pictures depicting deviant acts, were taken from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring.  The affidavit found here states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer.   

Police said Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446

Capp, I think you got confused. According to an affidavit, police investigators learned of Shawn's computer usage on his mom's computer, so they were granted voluntarily by Christine to come pick it up and search it for clues in Hailey's disappearance. The police got her computer on Dec 30th, her husband answered the door and gave it to investigators. Then, on Jan 5th, Christine called the police station to let them know she was on her way to retrieve her computer, so they checked it into evidence and filed an affidavit. The affidavit filed requesting certain and specific electronics from Billie's home was signed by a judge on Jan 6th. So, I personally believe the investigators knew something was up with Shawn based on what they found on the computer. Then for them to be specific in the affidavits for what they were looking for in Billie's home, it has to be linked unequivocally to Shawn...bc why or how could anybody else from Christine's home come into Billie's home & hide a disk behind a bunch of dvd's in the master bedroom, or hide a portable mem/flash stick in the bottom corner of a drawer?

Here's a link to the electronics affidavit:
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/images/Multi_Media/bigcountryhomepage/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Affidavit%20.PDF

Now go to that link & check out 4 a & b.

Wow.

Please also don't forget I posted all the affidavits & warrants that I could find in the Docs Thread. I took screen captures for everyone to make it easier in viewing.

Either Billie is involved or she is just flat out stupider than stupid.

Have to run but will bbl.

Titch

Thank you for posting in the last thread a link to the transcript of the BTH interview with Clint's mom and aunt.  I was hoping that a transcript would emerge.

Many thanks to the blogger who provided the transcript.

Janet

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http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2011/02/connie-jones-and-mary-cooper-for-hailey.html

Real quick, before I go, remember there was an Xbox in the house. Everybody keeps talking about a computer but I don't think people realize the technical capabilities of these gaming systems.

You can view videos saved from a usb storage device on an Xbox 360.

Here's a google search for xbox 360 usb:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=xbox+360+usb&cp=9&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=xbox+360+us&pbx=1&bav=on.1,or.&fp=aa5fb15027c8932c

Ok, really have to run now...son is waiting to be picked up from track.

Thanks Tiche.

Janet

You're welcome. I was going to transcribe it in full for us to have on file here, but if you guys don;t think it's needed just let me know. I can;t do it yet, was thinking late tonight.

I think flutter is flustered ;)

A portable flash drive can have memory capabilities. It's faster & saves memory space on a computer.

Also most LCD  TVs have a USB port so you can show your pictures or movies on them..no computer necessary  to play.

Okay, note to self you need to go to bed early since you got no sleep   :smt095...I got facts blurred, my apologies.   This is how it went down:
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Another search warrant seized a computer and hard drive from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring. The attached affidavit states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer. Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing. Police downloaded thee contents of the computer, and when Walker told Ofc. Alexander that she was coming to pick it up on Jan. 5, the computer was placed into evidence, the affidavit said.The search warrants were signed on Jan. 6 by District Judge Glen Harrison.Additional things seized via search warrant were Adkins' car, also registered to Billie Dunn, and both Adkins' and Billie Dunn's cell phones and cell phone records
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http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Definitely. I gave the definition under Texas CPS guidelines a couple threads ago I believe. Billie withoutadoubt showed negligence by having this creep in her home after her kids advised her they're not comfortable around him, he's threatening, has had issues with the law with Billie & Clint, the list goes on. The fact that this moron of a woman is still sticking up for this piece of shit makes me ill. I cannot even fathom what Clint is feeling right now. Aside from living the rest of his life with guilt thinking woulda shoulda coulda, he can turn this around and make something of himself, move forward with newfound hope. If Hailey is found deceased, he should go through the process of healing & then move on in a positive manner. Cut all ties with Billie.

Forgot about that! Yep!

OMG I have to get outta here. Will ttyl.

I just wub all you monkeys!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks Capp

Janet

great now i know how it went down, so where was BD and SA using that jump drive/memory drive
like what would be the point of putting something on it,and no way to access it,since supposedly
BD dosent own a puter in her house

As noted above...LCD  Tvs have a USB port or you can use the xbox 360

To use anywhere else that had a USB port, TV...camera, Xbox...maybe a trip to work to use that puter.    PS something tells me that there is another computer that was in the mix between these two, I've always thought that because Billie met Shawn online while Clint was still living with her as her husband.   I'd venture a guess that their growing twisted online romancing didnt take place only at her place of employment...logic dictates.

Billie's response to whether these belonged to them ?

They aren't mine or Shawn's ?
Is she a Casey clone ?

Next she will tell us that Fanny the Nanny took Hailey !

When the affidavits and failed polygraphs which reveal the lies and deception encompassing Shawn's actions and whereabouts on the morning of December 27th are considered as well as the recent child pornography revelation ... it will be interesting to hear what Clint has to say on Sunday at the rally in Dallas.

Up until now ... Clint's efforts have been focused on bringing Hailey home alive ... not on the involvement of Shawn Adkins.

Janet

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Missing Teen's Father Believes Only Named Suspect Is Innocent
By Jacqueline Hince, KTXS News
POSTED: 6:23 pm CST February 23, 2011
UPDATED: 8:23 pm CST February 23, 2011

COLORADO CITY, Texas -- The missing Colorado City teen's father speaks out Wednesday on the only named suspect in his daughter's case, Shawn Adkins.

Clint Dunn told KTXS he doesn't believe Adkins is involved in his daughters disappearance, "I want Shawn to get out and help. That's how he will prove his innocence and I think he is innocent."

Clint told KTXS Wednesday he is no longer putting any stock in all the rumors, and he still has complete faith in finding his daughter alive.

Video
http://www.ktxs.com/news/26972918/detail.html

We've got a Polaroid 19", flat screen in our room.
It has a USB port, and also a place to insert
a memory card from a camera, etc.

Definetly the X Box can play the porn junk, and the tv if it is a newer one with a few added
options. LOL Maybe her "new" tv from Alcot had more options ?

Well, she's well on her way of robbing people of their money too!  Another similarily, forsaking a child for a man...apparently any man.

::MonkeyDance::

Okay Titch...you answered what I so poorly was trying to ask.  YES, I think it will matter what type of device these images are on.  Billy will definitely try to claim she had no way to view these images or had no knowledge of what these devices contained.  It will be much harder for her to deny (or be defended) if  she and/or Shawn had a way to view these images at her house.  Again, I do wonder why the X-box wasn't confiscated?   LE surely could have investigated whether or not the X-box was used in conjunction with the memory stick (or whatever)?

Makes you think that Billy was laying out her defense, when she continually stated she didn't have a computer and didn't view the internet.  I would say she was definitely laying the ground work to the media then, realizing LE had already confiscated these devices containing these vial images.

Clint appears to  me to be a "Mr. Nice Guy."
Kind, layed back, and not judgemental.
He also probably does not want to anger Billie. He seems to offer peace and want to pacify her.

I still message Clint on the Facebook page he has.

My ONLY hope is that Hailey will be found dead or alive,
the perps will get punshed, & that Clint will be offered and
accept help for his mj issue. He appears to be a good person,
just needs the edges polished IMO ! ::HelloKitty::

Can't believe I just got back & logged right back on! Hubby should be displeased that I did NOT make beds today or even start dinner bc I was engrossed in scaredmonkeys.net all durrned day! lmao!@


Capp, or anybody really, do you remember in the beginning Billie said that "they even took Shawn's laptop"? What am I thinking? Am I misremembering this?

LEP

In my opinion ... the truth encompassing his missing daughter should be Clint's only objective.  Anything less is a betrayal to his missing daughter.

To heck with trying to be "Mr. Nice Guy"!  To heck with appeasing Billie!

Janet

oi wee....exhaustion has finally taken its toll, Im gonna go curl up for a bit to get some rest ...peace out!

Rest well Capp. I have a feeling you're gonna need to be wide awake tonight & tomorrow - lol!

I agree...except...what about if the way to find Hailey is through Billie Jean?

TY monkeys,so was the xbox360 taken too, i went and looked my tv has a usb drive,i never knew
no more burning dvds

I am confused by the "Mr. Nice Guy" act.  Wasn't this the man whose own mother stated on BTH, that he laid Shawn down in the front yard ...or was it put him to sleep?  Either way, I don't think he did that by being "Mr. Nice Guy"? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, it was one of the first things le took.

Oh no, I just had a terrible thought, I wonder if BD has threatened CD that she would claim those images belonged to him.  I am only speculating but maybe this is why the interview with PH was cancelled.  Maybe this is why her mother threatened to "Air his dirty laundry"!  Just shooting from the hip, since we know how she likes to point fingers! 

or the deviant porn material, might shed some light too

Two months following the disappearance of his daughter ... Clint should have it figured out that being "Mr. Nice Guy" by appeasing Billie ... is not going to work.  I believe that the appeasing of Billie has nothing to do with learning the truth encompassing a missing Hailey.

Janet

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Titch
Re: Hailey Dunn #6 2/05/11 -
« Reply #514 on: February 08, 2011, 06:49:52 PM »

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I read on Peter's blog (comments section) that the reason Clint didn't call in for the second phone interview (when Dr Glass was on) was because Billie's mom posted on Facebook that if Clint airs Billie's dirty laundry, then they'll do the same.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9372.msg1302063#msg1302063

Yes, he did that to protect himself. With his background, he could have flattened Shawn, even though Shawn towers over him.

I'm actually impressed with the way Clint is handling himself. It seems as if he's refraining from acting without thinking. Maybe he's waiting to know for sure if Billie's involved or not before he slams her story / recollection. I hope when all is said and done, they all are able to turn this around and use it to garner strength.

As a side note - I'd be screaming cuss words in 7 different languages at the top of my lungs! It would take alot of strength to keep me from ripping someone's face off...to say the least.

Pedos shouldn't be able to possess appendages - imo - and their victims (if still alive) should be the ones to take care of that!

It doesn't add up though, Mom. The police took & viewed the computer from Christina's house that Shawn utilized, then when she was on her way to get it back they placed it into evidence, then they got an affidavit specifically naming certain devices to collect from Billie Jean;s house. 2 were hidden in the master bedroom...1 hidden in the bottom corner or a drawer, another placed behind numerous dvd's in an entertainment unit. Iow, they knew exactly what they were looking for. There's absolutely no way she could pin that stuff on anybody else.

I am hoping that the child porn revelation will wake Clint up and ... his missing daughter will become his priority.  In other words ... he will let the chips fall where they may in regards to the "dirty laundry" in his life ... the "dirty laundry" referred to by Billie's mother.

I am truly looking forward to hearing what Clint has to say on Sunday at that rally in Dallas.  I want him to make Hailey proud.

Janet

Has anyone seen anything from Billie about not being allowed now to speak at the trafficking conference? Sure she will say something about it. But she is probably out trying to find an attorney.

Janet, I think I know what Capp was talking about earlier, what may have caused her confusion. See, I remembered hearing something about a laptop, and I thought Capp did, too. Was the computer at Shawn's mom's house a laptop? I never searched the model #. If so, that explains it! I just did a search and found this transcript from Nancy Grace:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/13/ng.01.html

Quote:
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. But first out to Priscilla Luong, with CNN affiliate KTAB joining us from Abilene, Texas. Priscilla, what`s the latest on your end?

PRISCILLA LUONG, KTAB CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, we obtained two affidavits today that reveal what electronic items were taken from the Dunns` house. We learned that several MP3 players, a CD, a flash drive was taken of Hailey`s. And we also learned through another affidavit that Shawn`s laptop was also seized in the investigation.

GRACE: Now, wasn`t he using his mom`s computer?

LUONG: Well, Nancy, that was not revealed inside the affidavit, so we`re unable to confirm those details with law enforcement.

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Quote from: MOMDET on February 25, 2011, 04:09:09 PM
I am confused by the "Mr. Nice Guy" act.  Wasn't this the man whose own mother stated on BTH, that he laid Shawn down in the front yard ...or was it put him to sleep?  Either way, I don't think he did that by being "Mr. Nice Guy"?


Yes, he did that to protect himself. With his background, he could have flattened Shawn, even though Shawn towers over him.

I'm actually impressed with the way Clint is handling himself. It seems as if he's refraining from acting without thinking. Maybe he's waiting to know for sure if Billie's involved or not before he slams her story / recollection. I hope when all is said and done, they all are able to turn this around and use it to garner strength.

As a side note - I'd be screaming cuss words in 7 different languages at the top of my lungs! It would take alot of strength to keep me from ripping someone's face off...to say the least.

 :smt046 ::MonkeyJustice::


AMEN SISTER!!!!!

Magnolia
Re: Hailey Dunn #7 2/11/11 -
« Reply #956 on: February 25, 2011, 09:47:29 AM »

Traffick911 Traffick911 is deeply saddened by this revelation. Child pornography is trafficking. We are, of course, making adjustments and will make an announcement soon. Please join us in keeping our focus on Hailey and all the children suffering from this horrific crime.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Traffick911/184480058955?v=wall

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9404.msg1307699#msg1307699

Great Catch!!

BUMPED

the kids shoveled about 2tons of snow from the drives,i need to feed them and a movie for a good job done
maybe when i get back SA will be jailed

story broke last nite,in a few hrs it will be 24hr
i hope the da acts quickly, b4 the unthinkable happens,
such as, try to escape or worse

shortest route to mexico is

Colorado City, TX 79512
to
Juárez, Mexico

384 mi
 6 hours 23 mins
I-20 W and I-10 W

Computer seized from Christina Walker's home was a DEL INSPIRON 530.  As per affidavit pg 6

           http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9331.0

Hmmm... The Dell Inspiron 530 is a PC. So, what about the laptop Nancy & Priscilla are referring to?

Check it out...

Here's the page of the affidavit from the car seizure (pages 5 & 6) found at the following link (check last paragraph of 1st pic & 1st paragraph of 2nd pic):

http://media.reporternews.com/media/static/0113_001.pdf

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/0113pg5.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/0113pg6.jpg)


Dell Inspiron 530 info from PC World (not sure if it's this exact pc or an older version):

http://www.pcworld.com/product/31068/dell_inspiron_530.html

(http://zapp3.staticworld.net/reviews/graphics/products/imported/31068_g1.jpg)

Good minds think alike...lol!

Thank you.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Just in case I'm missing something, I checked the models. Here's the list from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Inspiron#List_of_Dell_Inspiron_models

It's too long to copy, so just view the link.
 

Does anyone know how to access police files in Snyder, TX?

I just read that one of Billie's brothers was arrested in Snyder today.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Hailey Dunn: Billie Jean Dunn Radio Interview Feb 7: Transcription

Who has taken polygraphs and what are the results of those?

As far as I know, me, Shawn, and my brother. I’m not really sure why my brother took one. Shawn and I volunteered them. My brother didn’t, so again, I’m not sure why he was given one.
 
Shawn and I were both told we failed. My brother was told he failed twice. He was allowed to take another one the next day and he passed it, and also, one other guy that I don’t really know. I heard another guy took one, and I don’t know the results.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hailey-dunn/billie-jean-dunn-blog-talk-radio-interview-february-7-transcription/

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331216

 ::snipping2::

Colorado City police officer Kelsey Alexander took a memory stick found in the master bedroom, a CD-R found behind several DVDs in the master bedroom, a CD-R labeled 'Hailey Dunn' found in Hailey's bedroom, two pink MP3 players found in Hailey's bedroom, a black MP3 player found in another bedroom inside the house, and a VHS tape labeled 'White Snake' with the name 'Pete' found in Hailey's closet.

The contents of the memory devices were not disclosed.

Another search warrant seized a computer and hard drive from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring.  The attached affidavit states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer.  Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing.  Police downloaded thee contents of the computer, and when Walker told Ofc. Alexander that she was coming to pick it up on Jan. 5, the computer was placed into evidence, the affidavit said.
 ::snipping2::

Klaas, you're all late. We gotcha covered sugar! Already taken care of...

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Could someone refresh my mind, what are the names of Billie's brother?

Delbert & Roger Ostrander

I just did a quick looksee on vinelink but didn't see anything recent from today.

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/siteInfoAction.do?siteId=44900

Thank-you

Any idea which brother?

https://www.vinelink.com

I will put my money on Del. He also opened a FB recently and I read on one of the Hailey pages he threatened a poster there. Here is his facebook if it hasn't been posted already:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002054336837&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100002054336837&sk=wall  (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002054336837&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100002054336837&sk=wall)

I will be back with the post about the threat in a sec.

I searched both names & didn't find a new arrest with today's or yesterday's date.

Thank you cartfly.

It didn't say, but my guess would be Del.  Isn't David living with Roger?

It appears that Delbert was detained in January.

Janet

Lucy Singletary Brott - Thank you for this quote:

‎"We think sometimes that poverty is only being hungry, naked and homeless. The poverty of being unwanted, unloved and uncared for is the greatest poverty. We must start in our own homes to remedy this kind of poverty."
~Mother Teresa 1910, 1997

This is the threat I read about earlier on a Hailey open discussion page. It seems that many posters arng e getting threats over there. If anyone post on these pages please consider using an alias when posting on those FB pages for your own safety. ::MonkeyAngel::

 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=199388510073321&id=580630036 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=199388510073321&id=580630036)

 ::snipping2::
Michael Butler Hailey Dunn Open Discussion:

I just received a friend request from a Del Ostrander with this message attached...

Del says, "If u r the one f****** with my sister ur f*****."
Wednesday at 10:31pm
 ::snipping2::

(Curse words modified by me)

I bet they are cousin Joe's porn pics!  haha She forgot to ask Misty about this part of the investigation...

Also, if she doesn't have a computer, what is she doing with a memory stick?  Even more curious, she has two school age children and they have an X_Box but NO computer with which to do schoolwork?  Where are her priorities?  It is really hard for a child to go to school and not have access to a PC in this day and time.  And I KNOW she wouldn't know where the public library was to go find one to use.

Thanks Titch, I love it ::MonkeyAngel::

And she just got a new TV????????????????

Bless you , I wasnt totally temporarily insane due to sleep deprivation!

Welcome. I got 3 hours of sleep last night...literally. Every single time I fell asleep, I came back to here. Billie seriously makes me ill. How can she be in such a deep denial...unless it's on purpose and she is lying...

Clint Dunn's Statement

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346566

Quote:
"With regard to this evidence and digital computer information, we want to reserve comment on that until further investigation and information is made available by law enforcement. We understand it is a hot topic and everyone wants to know about. We appreciate what you guys are doing in the news, but we still have small children not shielded from these things. We don't want anymore information drawn to them as we have to."

I just want to note that his brother in law read this statement for Clint, and I believe "we" that he refers to is his family...not Clint & Billie, but rather his family...at least that's how I took it.

ITA, in this context I believe it to mean Clint, Naomi, son, Hailey, even David & his siblings children NOT Billie.   He's also probably been well -advised to let the investigation run its course.    I sense a more than glimmer of hope that this case may have some major developments in the near future which I didnt have for quite a few weeks.

He's also was very possibly not available for an on-camera interview because he may be en route to the rally that he will be speaking at instead of Billie & was rumored to be with Shawn in tow...that is until this bombshell hit the news yesterday.

Sorry if this is a dupe, but I have to run to a party......got this PM from the same source that told me about the TV:

Did ya'll know Billie's mom is in Scurry County jail? She's the one BJD and SA visited the night they went to the ATM. I don't know why she's in jail, but here it is.

Offender Name: CONNIE LOU OSTRANDER
Offender ID: 12180 Date of Birth: 01.../12/1962 Age: 49 Race: White Gender: Female
Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: SCURRY COUNTY JAIL

Anyone have details?? .

Original Plans

Hailey Dunn's Parents Prepare to Hit the Road
Sunday, February 20 2011

<snipped>

Brad Dennis with the Klaaskids Foundation says arrangements are being made for Clint and Billie Dunn to go to Dallas next Sunday.

Dennis says The Dunns would present Hailey's case at rally for missing children.

<snipped>

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=344406


Hailey Dunn's Parents to Travel to Dallas Sunday
Monday, February 21 2011

The parents of missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn are preparing to hit the road.

Clint Dunn and Billie Dunn say they plan to speak at a special rally in Dallas for missing and exploited children on Sunday, Feb. 27.

This will be the first time Billie Dunn will travel outside of the Big Country since her daughter went missing on Dec. 27.  She has remained close to her home, leaving only on occasion to be with family members in the Colorado City/Snyder area.

Billie says she and her estranged husband are uniting in the search for their daughter.  The two also plan to launch a website, HopeforHailey.com, this week.

<snipped>

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=344666

No, nothing in my marathon internet travels from last night thru tonight.

Who HIDES a flash drive?

Hiding implies something. I have tons of flash drives..they are scattered around my computer desk. There's only one reason to hide.

The words of Clint's mother in the BTH interview imply that Billie Dunn's mother is not detained.

Janet

+++++

Transcript - BTH Interview - Connie Jones, Clint Dunn's Mother
February 23, 2011

Host: What is your perception of Billie not showing emotion. Has she always been this way?

Connie: Well, I've seen her cry over and over wanting Clint back and everything and you know. Tears can get you just about anything. But her mother is my best friend and she told me that she's spent many nights over there since this is happened at Billie's house and she said she'd hear Billie almost all night long in that bed crying and crying and crying and crying. And umm..She said she didn't know what to do. She said Because if she went in there She'd start crying. And then they'd never shut up. She said every night Billie cried.

http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2011/02/connie-jones-and-mary-cooper-for-hailey.html

Pat Brown will be on both NG hours, NG WILL BE covering this case, I guess my initial email & a host of others earlier today got her attention.   I'll reserve further thought on that until I her her shrill over this latest  (http://en.clipart-fr.com/data/clipart/explosion/explosion_006.gif)BOMBSHELL

THERE IT IS...woo hooo NG live now    "Child porn discovered...." 

Darn straight!

I have a box for each of my 3 boys, with black Sharpie events & dates placed on several disks & portable drives in their respective boxes. I will use these to reference back to for their grad presents from HS - a scrapbook, very detailed, filled with love & admiration. GOD help them, too, bc I have a video of all 3 of them bending over having a farting contest (me gagging in the background) - which I plan to play at each of their weddings! Heaven help their wives. I swear I really do raise them right, they just have no sense at all...boys are nasty little creatures!


IMO, there's only ONE reason a flashdrive and another disk would be hidden - completely out of view mind you - and that reason has to be a sinister one.

The words of Clint's mother in the BTH interview imply that Billie Dunn's mother was not detained as of two days ago.

Janet

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Transcript - BTH Interview - Connie Jones, Clint Dunn's Mother
February 23, 2011

Host: What is your perception of Billie not showing emotion. Has she always been this way?

Connie: Well, I've seen her cry over and over wanting Clint back and everything and you know. Tears can get you just about anything. But her mother is my best friend and she told me that she's spent many nights over there since this is happened at Billie's house and she said she'd hear Billie almost all night long in that bed crying and crying and crying and crying. And umm..She said she didn't know what to do. She said Because if she went in there She'd start crying. And then they'd never shut up. She said every night Billie cried.

http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2011/02/connie-jones-and-mary-cooper-for-hailey.html

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Self-edit - Blue Highlight


Could it be that it was Billie's mother who was arrested TODAY and ... not hr brother.

Janet

Jinkasaurus is hosting NG tonight.

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Could it be that it was Billie's mother who was arrested TODAY and ... not hr brother.

Janet

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Possibly, looking around for further info from various site...so far nothing more than what was posted here

Self-Edit - Blue Highlight

Could it be that it was Billie's mother who was arrested TODAY and ... not hr brother.

Janet

Yes, but Im just glad that this news is now hitting the national audience - Im waiting for the rest of their coverage because right now they are covering Patricia Ristick

Mark Klass is on, hmmm    Wonder what he is going to say on behalf of Billie tonight, yes denote sarcasm with a reserved angst hoping he distances himself from her now.

Klaas/Mod - Please delete post 139.  I mess up.

Thanks

Janet

When you consider the child porn revelation ... I hope that Marc has reconsidered his upholding of Billie and Clint in their insistence that Hailey is still alive and ... Shawn Adkins has not involvement in her disappearance.

Janet

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/siteInfoAction.do?siteId=44900

Offender Search

 OSTRANDER, CONNIE   LOU  01/12/1962  49    In Custody  SCURRY COUNTY JAIL 

Haleigh Cummings Case - deja vu

Thanks Titch~Just because she wasn't in custody two days ago doesn't mean she hasn't been picked up since.....kinda like the Putnam County revolving door........rumor is cocaine. No clue if it's true but early on I heard she was known to distribute drugs (again RUMOR RUMOR) and I wondered if that is why Shawn and Bllie made a quick stop at her house the night of the 27th

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=44900&agency=489&id=12180&searchType=offender

BD's MOM in custody:
Offender Name: CONNIE LOU OSTRANDER
Offender ID:
12180
Date of Birth:
01/12/1962
Age:
49
Race:
White
Gender:
Female

Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
SCURRY COUNTY JAIL

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

I agree.  That is why I suspect that maybe it was Billie's mother ... not brother ... who was detained TODAY.

Janet

NG producers talked to LE about the images found, "deviant acts include child pornography and bestiality"   Showing a desktop and the memory stick USB port  "Who the heck keeps 108,000 of trash"

"up to 20 years in fact"  jail time mention   Police gathered info and it went to DA & it will go before a Grand Jury, Billie Dunn just may face charges.   Billie denied to NG that it is hers or Shawns...yea okay Billie, you are lying if your lips are moving!

O this is not going away & I sense new stainless jewelry being adhered to a few wrists in due time

Pat Brown "extreme perversion"  commercial break

Here. I took snap shots for you:

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/siteInfoAction.do?siteId=44900

Offender Search

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/CLSSCJ.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/CLSSCHb.jpg)

::MonkeyShocked::
Well, I guess that nut didn't fall far from the tree....just saying

::snipping2:: from above
O this is not going away & I sense new stainless jewelry being adhered to a few wrists in due time
 ::snipping2::

I ber some of us monkeys would love to have the honor of putting the cuffs on! Should I warm up the car now?

OMG  Mark Klass
"we have to be clear that we are dealing with multiple crime scenes, he told his families to tell the truth and the repercussions are huge"   "Billie should be ashamed of herself for holding back on information she had this whole time.   I dont think she is involved with Hailey;s disappearance but everything is open for question.:

That is close to verbatim

Thank you Mark Klass for restoring my faith that you didnt lose sight of  all reason!    I must say I am quite pleased & relieved

Although he is not convinced that Billie was involved in whatever happened to Hailey ... Marc Klaas has change his position regarding unwaving support for Billie based on the porn revelations.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Go Jean!    "This was found in Billie's dresser drawer and is going to a Grand Jury"

OMGosh - I second that!

Continued coverage on NG Live  EACH image is a separate count...can you imagine!   "Progession of deviant conduct, afraid she may have fell victim to those deviant acts."

WHOA WHOA

Mark Klass   ::MonkeyGavel::  (chuckles)  "I thought she was too (honest)."   "I dont believe she is clueless at all.  She knows exactly what is going on"    He has done a complete 360 degree...

Who is paying Billie 'n Shawn's way to this event ?
Can they unpay for it ?
Usually, the rooms are comped ( free ) and the travel expenses are paid for by the event organizers. They made a reaaly bad choice in having either one of those two as guests. I must be cracking up, becasue I am laughing at the irony of this entire situation with this conference. 
...........
Somer Thompson's killer had child porn on his computer.
..
Possesion of this type of material is a felony.
Making it is another felony.
Sending it to someone else is also a felony.
Hope he sent it across state lines, that's a bigger felony.
 
...
I suspect DD was removed from the home for a pretty good reason and the above might be part of it.
..
I know I should not be amused, but these peeps, Billie 'n Shawn have been just hooping the public and now that this is out there, it cannot be excused or lied about by Pillie.

Kat   Traffick911 and Mark Klass are not having them appear at all now.   A few pages back I posted the official statement.   Clint will be speaking at the event on his own

I think Nancy Grace's people are reading here...
::MonkeyGavel::

Marc, that one statement alone has fast renewed my faith in you. Thank you for seeing her from a new perspective.

Kat_Gram, you are a lil behind honeybunch  ::MonkeyKiss:: I think Billie may have been uninvited. Goodness gracious. I do think some kind of arrest is in order very soon.

I wrote NG producers very early this morning & sent the link to the article, in my internet travels I am aware that many others did as they got up and about this morning.

Something else I just thought of...I guess we now know why Billie could so easy dismiss Shawn's horrific statement that her preteen daughter was promiscuous ::MonkeyMad::

Sorry Capp. Shoulda read the next post of yours.
 ::MonkeyWink::

No apologies necessary my friend

Multiple crime scenes??? Did I miss something?

Oh, TY, I misunderstood. I knew she wasn't speaking, but I thought they were still attending.
...  Maybe this is going to go down like the Hailey Cummings case, entire bunch in jail on drug charges.
I can see Pillie not knowing about a memory stick and a CD, it's not a stretch, but she knows NOW.

It was found in her bedroom bureau drawer.   Logically, she cant claim she didnt know it was there because even psycho boyfriend wouldnt have been stupid enough to put it in her dresser if he was concealing it from her knowing she regularly goes in there....nope, she's not getting away with this one.   Eventually, she better know as of yesterday she is going to be in orange or stripes shortly

On the child pornography alone, the multiple crime scenes would be Billie's home & Shawn's mother's home. 

Wonder if his grandma has a computer...or sumpin'...

Kat_Gram

FYI

Janet

I know one thing there has to be quite a few parents in CC grateful that their daughters never spent time with Hailey at her house.  Think about the treasure trove that scum thought he was going to have access to....too frightening for words.   Billie not only risked her own flesh & blood but other neighbor's childrens lives.

On so many levels (and hubby has talked me down a few times already), its a good thing Im not there because Id be wanting to shake more than just a few trees in CC

Janet, Billie has been uninvited my dear. If you read farther down the page, you can also see that Clint will be speaking.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Traffick911/184480058955

Quote:
Traffick911 In answer to questions, Billie will not attend the rally. However, the most important person who will not be at the rally or on the platform is Hailey. Thank you for understanding that Traffick911 has made its final statement on the issue as all our attention is on helping America's exploited children and again request...s that this page be focused on exploited children, as well as protecting children, and nothing more.

i know you guys are checking NG,just thought this stuff weird
wonder if the searches checked the wind cellars at the abandoned houses
you will see why im asking after you check the links
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Thomasville, NC
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Christine wrote:
This is exactly why when I saw Shawns username stabwound "brown" intercourse and stabwoundintercourse on YouTube I was so freaked out! WARNING:

if you choose to google this name be prepared to be mentally upset and physically. This crap Shawn and Billie were into wasn't a hobby. Fricken sick .blank...word taken out by me not allowed
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Christine, Do you have a link? thanks 
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i looked this up stabwoundintercourse, and its.....dont have the words,barf,vomit
http://www.elyrics.net/read/g/gorgasm-lyrics/stabwound-intercourse-lyrics.html

and the 10 inch knife part of the lyrics, reminded me of  this pic
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CQELUnCfhO0/TTmUa1zwSpI/AAAAAAAABoE/0BgNF3oJwq8/s1600/shawnadkins.jpg

is this billie
http://www.michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=74828#p729555

Oh I am just playing the devil's advocate. She could have known the memory stick and dvd were there, but that doesn't make her aware of what the content was.
Shawn could have told her that they were pix of cute fuzzy kitties and puppies that he saved to look at ' cause he is just that kind of an awesome guy.

Titch

Look up ... I quoted Capp's post.  Her post explains that Billie will not be attending and ... Clint will be speaking.

Janet

Hello, Monks...

I don't like Marc Klaas.  Never did. Certainly I'm sorry for what happened to his daughter, who seemed to be a lovely child.  But there's something distasteful to me in making your living off your child's murder.  I feel the same about John Walsh.  What were their occupations before their children were murdered?  I also wonder on what basis he thinks Billie Dunn was not involved in Hailey's disappearance.  I think she was.  This whole bunch reminds me of that bunch in Florida.  Druggie trash. 

I don't think it's much of a stretch to suspect that Billie and Shawn are jointly responsible for Hailey's disappearance and likely demise.  Having no experience in such things, I believe Pat Brown, who has such experience,  is probably correct that people who engage in such disgusting and illegal activities need more and more stimulation--such as a real child victim.  After having seen the role playing in those videos nothing would surprise me and I believe that Billie Dunn is involved up to her neck no matter what Marc Klaas says.  Maybe just to make that repulsive stud she got from the internet happy.

I believe that a mother of young children who introduces some strange man into her home and bed, a stranger picked up on the internet or anywhere else for that matter, is risking her children's safety and should be prosecuted if something happens to a child even if not personally involved.    A single mother can surely restrain herself for a few years until her children are grown before she takes lovers into her home. Our culture has changed so much in recent years and  will never go back to the values we once believed worthwhile and moral.

I'm an old womean and probably my values are no longer with the mainstream, but they are my values and nothing can change them. I believe that a mother's primary duty is to care for and protect her children, sometimes at the sacrifice of her own pleasure.  If she doesn't, it doesn't matter what else she may accomplish in life.  She failed the most important job she will ever have.

Capp, that Courtney "friend" of Billie's that was posting on WS...her hat was something like czgtz or something?

What was her last name? I know you know this...somebody has to...

I do not believe that Billie was aware of Shawn's perversion regarding porn.  He did the  surfing of the internet at his Mom's home and ... brought the "stick" and video's home and put them in the drawer.

Think about it.  Billie allowed a consensual search of the home on December 30th.  Logic dictates ... if she thought that porn was associated with that "stick" and ... those videos ... she would have gotten rid of them.

However ... Billie is aware of everything now and ... she is still covering for Shawn.  That is so sick.  For crying out loud ... who does Billie think put that stuff in her drawer?

IMO

Janet

Well that could be what she attempts to claim but considering their admitted admiration for all things bloody & macab that would be a tough climb down the BS ladder.   Doesnt matter, her house, her dresser drawer...her obligation to know everything that is in her home especially while charged with the safety & well-being of minor children residing in that home.  In his case we now know it had nothing to do with a love for animals but more the violation of them....it all gets correlated to a deep dark extreme obsession with perversion and violence.

And I am certain in her drugged out haze she believed every word he spoke.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think she believed him over her own daughter. She had to have sensed that the kids were uncomfortable around SA. She chose to ignore it and she chose SA over her own children who likely cherished the ground she walked on.

It's not to late for David or Clint. If I were them, I would leave that town, get clean and try to salvage their futures. I would love to see Clint leave CCity and find a place that would provide better opportunities for his family and himself.

o Janet I gotta disagree with ya on this point...sorry but that is just too naive even for Billie to be true.   Shawn wouldnt have been stupid enough to want to conceal something from Billie but then put it in such an obvious area that she went in and out of regularly.   They both enjoyed sick perversions with horror & deviant behavior, this is another element & again I think they both shared the same arousal by it.  Dont forget Shawn referred to her on his webpage as "his dirty girl."  She knew it was there, in fact I think she put it in there thinking they wouldnt search inside drawers & closets considering what the search warrant was listed to be for... they both made a few grave errors.

Regardless it was in her house, she's responsible to know what is going on in her home especially in the care of two minor children.   Its similar to getting caught with someone's stash in your car..you cant claim easily "O no its not mine," no its in your car which is your responsibility.

Not Capp but wasn't it Guiterez (I know I am not spelling it correctly, but something like Courtney Guiterez??) Island had posted the name for me on the last thread.

Thank goodness!

Janet

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New Details Released in Connection with the Search for Hailey Dunn

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Another court document says more than 108,000 images were found on a computer taken from Shawn Adkins' mother's house in Big Spring. Shawn Adkins is the boyfriend of Hailey Dunn's mother.

Those pictures depicted "deviant acts" according to the documents. Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs tells NewsWest 9, those images included child pornography and bestiality.

Sheriff Toombs tells NewsWest 9, Hailey was not in any pictures on the seized computer.

Sheriff Toombs says the District Attorneys Office, Sheriff Department and the Texas Rangers are all working together to figure out who, if anyone, will be charged.

<snipped>

http://www.newswest9.com/Global/story.asp?S=14144265

Think so

Quote from ISLAND on Thread 7
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Naomi's mom Patricia Techel (sp) and CZ Billie's friend/valiant defender is Courtney Gutierrez.......so many initials and so many entanglements like Naomi's mom having dated Brian (Clint's half brother once)
 ::snipping2::

(snipped)
Be glad that you're most of a country away, because if you weren't I would most assuredly hug you so hard that you might get hurt!  LOL   I have been trying to catch up, and this is such stressful stuff, and you, ma'am - you have just absolutely made my day.  Thank you!

That type of memory drive doesn't require just computers; it is possible that the type of media on there can also be viewed on other devices.

I don't know a teenaged boy in the world who would hide his own porn in his mom's dresser - just saying.  Of course, yes - I know I'm preaching to the choir.  :)

CZ Billie's friend/valiant defender is Courtney Gutierrez.......as per IM

Good Lord!

Yes, thankgoodness Janet.  If that creep had been taking pics of Hailey I don't imagine he'd be breathing tomorrow when the town got wind of it!

He's also the one with the dismembered young blonde girl on his myspace (Del Ostrander), which is apparently graphics he thinks are neat and acceptable from a band, Twisted Siblings.  I refuse to link; it's that bad.  I'd bet it's him as the other brother seems to be a family man.

Considering there was no computer in the house ... I still stand by my position that Billie did not have a clue that porn was associated with that "memory stick" and ... those videos that Shawn brought back and forth from his mother's home.

I contend if Billy was aware that that there was child porn associated with the "memory stick" and videos ... she would have gotten rid of it prior to giving consent to authorities to search her home.  Think about it.  Did authorities find any illegal drugs?  Why?

Janet

I'm going to go with Capp on this one.  I have thought from the beginning that the placement of the murder information under the bed was easy access.  Just calling it as I see it.  If you want to keep things away from your kids, and you use them not in the bed, you put them in a drawer, in the closet, in the back of the closet.  If you want easy access, you put them next to the bed.  Now this memory stick in her bottom drawer in her bedroom.  Not in her closet, not in a desk.  Not in SA's old room at his mom's.  Not in his truck.  easy access.

Ohhh Janet, I had wondered that.  Thank you for that link - that's such a relief!!

It was her mother....not her brother.

starwynn .. I agree.

BTW ... you made my day too.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Hmmm... Wonter how Tricia feels now with everything that came to light last night. I wonder if it's possible this RSO Gutierrez could be related to Billie's friend. He only lives a hop skip & a jump away from Hailey...and lookie here, he works in the OILFIELD. If they could be related, could it be possible for Shawn to have been friend's with him? Listen, I'm just wonderin'...

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/SorNew/PublicSite/Search/index.aspx?PageIndex=Search&SearchType=Name

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/GGRSO.jpg)


A = Hailey   B = RSO Gutierrez (taken from Google Maps)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/AHDDBGG.jpg)

Exactly!  Why sit on this for almost 2 months!  Disgusting!

How come Toombs only commented on the computer and not on the flash drive or the disk? That bugs me.

If I didn't know better I'd swear I was reading about Haleigh and her family in Satsuma.  This is so sad. 

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/index.php




"Nancy Grace" Broadcasts Hailey Dunn Developments

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In response to why an arrest hadn't been made on child pornography charges, defense attorney Joey Jackson said strategy may be involved.

"Look, we need to keep our eye on the prize," said Jackson. "If the prize is finding and detecting where Hailey is, then perhaps they should exercise some restraint until they're absolutely sure. Ultimately, the police will do what's just and what's right and what's appropriate."

Nancy Grace" Broadcasts Hailey Dunn Developments
Friday, February 25 2011

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Marc Klaas, the father of a murder victim who visited Colorado City earlier this year, said Hailey's mother should be ashamed of herself. Klaas said Billie Dunn held back information from law enforcement about pornography being in her home.

Klaas is the creator of Klaaskids, a group that's helped lead and organize search efforts for the missing 13-year-old Colorado City teen.

"I think everything is open for question," added Klaas.

<snipped>

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346686

Nancy Grace" Broadcasts Hailey Dunn Developments
Friday, February 25 2011

<snipped>

Klaas said he doesn't believe Billie Dunn is clueless and was likely aware of what was happening in her home. Klaas said he's "stunned" by the new developments in the case.

<snipped>

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346686

You know what... I'm thinking Hailey couldn't have been in any of those images bc if she were, somebody would surely have been arrested right away...right?

I understand the process of arresting somebody for something like these images being downloaded isn't as cut and dry as everyone may think. People that do those gross things, such as view beastiality & child porn, tend to use filters of sorts, kind of like an encoder. Some international pedos use ip scramblers. LE investigators have to get to the bottom of who exactly viewed & downloaded the stuff, especially considering one piece of technology was retrieved from Christina's (Shawn's mom's) house. Then they had to retrieve the stuff from Billie's house and disect it all. If the drive and/or disk were erased and new data saved overtop of it all, it still leaves a track from it's prior load. The investigators have to be thorough in deciphering that info. It's not a quick & easy and people tend to think, especially considering there is a missing child in the midst of it all, and they probably are thinking that it ties into this porn evidence. Puzzler - disgusting is right! That's just sick & twisted imo.

To put it in perspective, there is a guy from my neighborhood here in NJ. He was arrested 2 years ago for questionable molestation. His exwife and he were fighting over their daughter. The ex said he molested their daughter. He lawyered up and fought, stating that it was a ploy for his exwife to take their daughter to Massachusettes to live against his consent. Well she mentioned something about his extra curricular activities on the net and the investigators confiscated his computers. Lo and behold there was tons of stuff on them...but...he purchased BOTH computers used, and he had an unprotected wireless internet, so it took damn near a year for investigators to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a neighbor didn;t use his "hot spot" to view stuff and in turn leaving a footprint on his computer's permanent memory (harddrive). It's not a quick as we wish it would be, that's for certain.

The article itself, in your face Billie Jean Dunn-Dumm....oofph that is whole lot of hammer coming down on one's head.

Most definitely agree!

That is exactly what I believe as well for many reasons.

Klaas, if Billie did have knowledge (which I think she did) of this crap, doesn't it appear as though she took bits and pieces of certain murder mysteries and was just filling in the gaps, changing stories, as she went along?

I have a feeling she didn;t anticipate le getting that computer as fast as they did...and then to obtain a warrant to confiscate items of technology hidden at Billie's house AND for le to be able to find those items in such a quick time after they'd been hidden - I betcha she was thrown through a loop!

Some people may have been down on the police in the beginning, myself included...now I'm wondering if there was a method to their madness. I knew they had info they weren't releasing. I personally don't think this info would have been released as of yet if the media hadn't gotten it the way they did.

Here we go go folks:

Missing Teen's Grandmother Arrested On Unrelated Charges
By Laura Madison, KTXS News
POSTED: 9:26 pm CST February 25, 2011

Snyder, TEXAS -- The Scurry County Sheriff's Office confirms to KTXS News that Connie Ostrander, the grandmother of missing Colorado City teen Hailey Dunn, has been arrested on drug charges.
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http://www.ktxs.com/news/27004758/detail.html

What was that movie where those crazy people killed this guy and girl just for the heck of it...for the thrill of it all? All i remember is the knock at the door and the girl saying "Is Tamara there?" - it forrreeeaked me out. They filmed it.

I think Billie & Shawn watched one too many horror flicks.

Jeez, whodda thunkit?

And there ya go.

You know, I refuse to go to bed with this nasty stuff on my mind. It's so sad the life Hailey & David have lived...as well as several extended family members.

I'm submitting a prayer card - for their whole entire family.

Totally agree.

OMG, lmao - I just thought of something!

Beastiality, yucky. Billie has a tiny dog, right? Well...if Shawn were into that...he must have a tiny.....pinky...

Omg lol.

Going to sleep. Sorry for the sick humor. I just can't stand anymore morbid thoughts about Hailey.

Goodnight Hailey.

Us monkeys are thinkin' of ya sugar!

Praying for justice.

Where are you Hailey?

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Oh ya, right, for sure....BD & SA stopped by her moms that night for "pain meds" for that terrible toothache BD was suffering from.....Such a good and caring Mommy to keep "stuff" on hand for suffering family & friends.

There's a good idea.  I couldn't sleep last night because I went to bed right after reading all the stuff about the computers/memory stick.  I spent the day gardening to get it out of my head, but it didn't really work.  I remember in Zahra's case, I kept thinking "well this is the worst - surely it can't get worse" and even just this WEEK it got STILL worse.  I'm so afraid that's going to happen again with this case.  :(   I might go out and meditate by my incoming garden and clear my heart of all the anger and, sorry to say it, hatred that the latest news has filled it with.  Then again, at least I know I'm not along in being sickened.  It makes me remember there's still hope in the world - thanks Monkeys!

Poor Hailey - did she ever have a chance?  Does she now?  Where is Hailey?

I do not know what is taking so long for law enforcement to preceed with arrests but ... behind the scenes it appears that investigators have been building a case with electronic and communication records since early.

Considering Billie insists on distancing Shawn ... it is investigators who will be forced to connect all the dots.

Janet

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Documents: Hailey Dunn's iPod, Other Electronics Seized
Thursday, January 13 2011

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331216


Mother Still Believes Hailey Dunn was Abducted
Wednesday, February 23 2011

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=345546

OMG, its a good thing I love ya because Im on exhaustion needing to say good nite & that visual just put me in "cant sleep" mode again LOL     I have 4 furbabies all curled up around me on my recliner couch & I cant even, I cant... I just cant

Seriously though, this chimp off the ole block is turning in after a wicked crazy past 24 hours right to the hour, so good nite my fellow monkeys I lubs ya all & appreciate that we have each other especially on rough days like this.

I know what ya mean.

Janet

+++++

It is indeed very sad.
It is more sad that such a high # of these people
are clones of their childhood environment.
LQQK at where Billie's Mom went today, JAIL !

G'ma's. do the drugs, their children, & then the Grandkids.
Such a vicious cycle.

I had stated previously that our gov't. needs to spend $$
on educating these offenders, and break the cycle. In the end
I feel that would be less costly than housing these types for years.

So sad...Billie's Mother is in jail, and she will probably share the same local hotel with her.

This is why I constantly beat into Clint's head to get help, get straight before it is too late. He still has time to turn his life around,
and be an example for David and the new baby girl.

The apple does not fall far from the tree......we NEED to educate these people and stop the cycle of drug abuse.

As usual, I logoff only to log right back on.

Check it out:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/25/hailey-dunns-grandmother-arrested-on-drug-charge/

Snip:
Officials at the Scurry County sheriff's office said Ostrander was arrested by deputies around 2:15 p.m. on a charge of possession of a controlled substance, Penalty Group 1, and booked into the Scurry County Jail.

Snip:
Possession of less than 1 gram of a Penalty Group 1 drug is considered a state jail felony. According to the Texas Health and Safety Code, Penalty Group 1 includes a number of drugs, including many opiates and opium derivatives.

Well look at this. Remember last week I mentioned something about a big warrant sweep - when we were trying to figure out how Clint & Brian could have been incarcerated at the same time but in different jails? I did mention a warrant sweet. Look what I just found:

http://ci.snyder.tx.us/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=140

Quote:
Home
Posted on: February 23, 2011
2011 Great Texas Warrant Roundup
Cities across Texas join together at least once per year to actively serve outstanding arrest warrants. While warrants are regularly served by each jurisdiction, this huge, combined effort provides much greater opportunities for warrant service .Beginning March 5th, 2011 over 200 law enforcement agencies across Texas will be concentrating their efforts to arrest you on warrants. To verify if you have an outstanding warrant for the City of Snyder Municipal Court please look under addtional info for a copy of the warrants list.


Here's the link to the complete warrant list for Snyder, TX. Brian & Clint are NOT on this list, thank gosh. Don't know if anybody else's name rings a bell, so here's the link to the complete list:

http://ci.snyder.tx.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=290

Sometimes Billie's eyes remind me of the "runaway bride". All bugged out.

So, she went to her moms after the ATM run, wonder if mom is where they bought the illegal narcotics from? Or, they went on some with mom.


::shakes head::

posted again to add the word "in"

I think Billie and Shawn and others like them THINK they are smarter than LE. 

 ::MonkeyMad::

GMAB you pillbillie........pls come up with some new material:

"It's definitely a shock," said Dunn, adding, "I've talked to him [Adkins] about it a little bit and I'll talk to Shawn a little more [later]."



Dunn went on to say the recent reports that pornographic pictures were found by investigators doesn't sound like her boyfriend.

"It's definitely out of character for him. I've known him for a while, and I've never known him to be into anything like that, or we wouldn't have a relationship."

While Dunn admits Adkins was the one who brought over the memory stick that was confiscated, she says she's still in the dark about what is happening.

"I haven't gotten to talk to investigators, to find out what it is."

Still, for the mother of the missing teen, these reports are a lot to take in.

"You just don't want to be associated with that stuff [alleged child pornography and bestiality]."




http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346806

video of her talking about the new shocking revelations (sarcasm alert) ::piggy::

Starwynn:  I find gardening very therapeutic too. Do you  take your frustrations out on pulling weeds too? I remember pulling weeds for days trying to erase the images of Shaniya Davis out of my mind. It was just too much to imagine what that child endured. 
It has been warm here in the South, I think I may follow your lead out in the garden tomorrow too. I always feel closer to God out there in the garden.

@Titch I think the prayer card is a beautiful sentiment for all of the families related to this case.  ::MonkeyAngel::

LMAO

I think he kept some kind of trophy

I think Connie might have been doing a few drugs herself when she was pregnant with Billie J.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: * my opinion

OK what?  You "just" don't want to "be associated" with that stuff?   Just minimizes something that CAN'T be minimized.  And lots of people who have porn on their computers sure don't want to be associated with it.  If people associate you with it, they might just think you could be the type that might have a memory stick in your dresser drawer.

Oh wait....

LOL cartfly - I haven't weeds yet, putting gardens in, but I was digging  up a load or horse poop the other day and it reminded me a lot of some of the statements we've had to read on the press lately.  :)  I have been putting a lot of physical effort into things outside, and I do find that the good ol' natural chemicals that come from doing that do help ease the stress I have from reading some of these cases, particularly Hailey's and Zahra's cases, and make me (usually) sleep *through* thoughts of a Hailey out there.  I couldn't over-sleep my feelings last night, and hey - looks like I'm awake again.  But hey - tomorrow there's a chicken run and coop to put up, a lot of tomatoes to plant, and some things to hammer.  Oh I'm going to enjoy that hammering!  lol

I do a lot of thinking about Hailey, Kyron, and Zahra when I'm out there.  Sometimes worrying, other times brainstorming. 

And today, while I was out shopping for chicken stuff, I noticed a lack of Hailey fliers.  The area I was in is a popular one for runaways.  My printer is on the blink, and I'm trying to figure out how to get some - or one - to at least take to a printing shop.  I don't know why - I really keep thinking Hailey isn't alive; I sadly believe (particularly after this last bit) that she isn't.  But you know, until we KNOW, Houston still is a number one city for some sordid things.

"While Dunn admits Adkins was the one who brought over the memory stick that was confiscated, she says she's still in the dark about what is happening." OMG you dummarze

I don't know if this brighter note was posted:
http://www.ktxs.com/news/27003577/detail.html

Just some volunteers apparently talking about their search experiences.

LOL She threw psychotushloverbunssickoboy under the bus!  Whoosh!

I Googled and I think it is spelled this way >>>bestiality? I am not sure of the law and the punishment for it.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

 These Idjets need a community Exorcism. Good Lord.

Well, well, looks like the story about Billie selling blow to make ends meet might be somewhat true!  She coulda been supplying her Mom or maybe Mama was the one holding!  Who knows!  That dead stare and diarrhea mouth of Billie's, you know, rambling run on sentences that didn't make much sense when transcribed, dark bags under her eyes would make sense if on coke.  I would say that all those signs are normal for one with a daughter missing but IMO BD doesn't give a damn about Hailey!  Her only concern is getting her life back with SA and that appears to be all she wants!  All my opinion, of course.

I think Klaas just got slapped into reality ala BJD.  I think even he was manipulated/fooled by her "I am a victim, too" demeanor. 

Billie denies images are hers and shawns

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446 = denies  (note: the article is no longer there)

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346806 = admits

The "runaway bride" had a major thyroid disorder that caused her eyes to be "all bugged out."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/25/ng.01.html

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CASAREZ: But here is the revelation that is legally important and critically important to the life or death of Hailey Dunn. We confirmed that police are alleging tonight that it was child pornography that was found on the computer. Not just pornography, but child pornography. 108,000 pictures of child pornography.

In addition to that, a memory drive, a flash drive just like this. It was found in the dresser drawer of Billie Dunn, the mother who has been on this show so many times. And this, authorities say, they are taking to a grand jury to see -- to prosecutors to see if a grand jury should bring charges against her.


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The transcript begins half-way down the page on the link (Scroll bar).   I am trying to abide by copyright laws, I hope it is
acceptable to copy two brief paragraphs. TY.

"Think" being the major key word there ...NOT!

No need to pick apart her words here, shes lying...period.

Okay, I cant resist anyways LOL

This rock for brains wench is trying to act like shes shocked & make people believe she has no earthly idea how that massive amount of vile crap got into her bedroom dresser drawer & his computer (frankly dont care if it was at his mother's).  Come on now Billie...the general public doesnt have tumbleweeds for brain cells!

Billie, what over 108,000 images worth of  "its definitely out of character for him"   

You've never know him to be  "into anything like that?"     Why lie you view the crap with him who are you kidding "dirty little girl."   You have a "hobby" with him (obviously more extensive than you wanted to admit) and you DO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT SCUM    Your own daughter told you she was uncomfortable with him in the house, why didnt you listen to her, why didnt you care how your own flesh and blood felt?    I'll tell you why, its because you were just as wrapped up in it & didnt care what your daughter felt!!!

You havent gotten to talke to investigators?   Really?   Was that before or after you failed a poly & left the building?   HELLO, earth to Billie, you dont have to ask the world now knows what was on these devices.   OMG already, you are not in the dark about what is happening  JUST STOP!

Amazing how this fugly wench states she "doesnt want to be associated with that stuff" and she talks about being upset over people looking in "ugly fields" but yet she and her boyfriend enjoy watching gore & twisted illegal porn....go figure!

Yes, Im ranting but Ive had it with this stupid waste of life

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

Date / Time: 2/25/2011 9:00 PM (replay available)
Attorney Robin Sax weighs in on the Lindsay Lohan theft case, and the Zahra Baker murder case! Also, host Levi Page gives his commentary on the latest in the Hailey Dunn investigation!

Trying to figure out why the memory stick was still in the house  other than BD never thinking the search would include her bedroom.
Look at the extended families dynamics

Illegal drugs....accepted
Sale of same..accepted
Warrants,arrests and jail time...accepted
Threats of harm and death...accepted
Stealing time, property and use of equipment from work...accepted
Making videos of illegal activities and making them public...accepted
Hobbies that include masks and violent crimes...accepted
Multiple marriages and affairs among the families...accepted

I imagine that they also thought that porn was also the norm and acceptable and were blindsided that others didn't see it their way. MOO

You hit the nail on the head. The porn was acceptable along with the rest of it all.

Precisely!   Part of their "hobby" in her words, she just didnt expect ALL of it to come out...yet she's still with her boyfriend trying to claim she's in the dark!  Both of their arrests couldnt come any sooner.

I know this has been posted and said, but the only reason to hide a memory stick in the bottom of a bedroom dresser drawer is because you know what's on that stick is illegal.

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26998644/detail.html

 ::snipping2::

The return on warrant describes a 2-gigabyte PNY Attache memory stick found in the bottom right-hand drawer of a four-drawer dresser in the master bedroom of the Colorado City residence shared by Billie Dunn and Adkins, her live-in boyfriend. Officials also found a 700-megabyte Memorex CD disc that was also seized as evidence.

 ::snipping2::

NO doubt about it

Billie has "talked" with Shawn.  Why is she not "screaming" at Shawn?  Why is she not going up one side of him and down the other demanding to know what he has down with her precious daughter.  Instead she is still defending this guy.

Something is not right with regards to Billie's reaction to the child porn issue that makes me very suspicous that she knows so much more than she is revealing regarding the disappearance Hailey.

What hold does Shawn have over this woman.  Clint's mother never undermines her former DIL.  However ... Connie's BTH interview reveals a hatred of Shawn.

Janet

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Dunn Reacts to Alleged Child Porn Discovery
Friday, February 25 2011

<snipped>

These acts were later confirmed as child pornography and bestiality, topics that Billie Dunn, Adkins' girlfriend and mother of missing teen, Hailey Dunn, doesn't believe he's involved in.

"It's definitely a shock," said Dunn, adding, "I've talked to him [Adkins] about it a little bit and I'll talk to Shawn a little more [later]."

Dunn went on to say the recent reports that pornographic pictures were found by investigators doesn't sound like her boyfriend.

"It's definitely out of character for him. I've known him for a while, and I've never known him to be into anything like that, or we wouldn't have a relationship."

<snipped>

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346806


Connie Jones, Clint's Mother - BTH Interview - February 23, 2011

<snipped>

Connie:  I know that this I, I know she loves that little girl, it's got a be tearing her up . And I don't know if she knows, might know something and maybe Shawn threatened her to not say anything. I don't know. I know that she, he threatened her before and I know that she's been scared of him before because she came over here to my house to spend the night because she said she was afraid of Shawn.

<snipped>

http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.com/2011/02/connie-jones-and-mary-cooper-for-hailey.html

I dont think we need to make excuses for Billie any longer, she is a willing participant in everything that has been going on.  Even if it is a matter of threatening her, she participated in things that should have never been around her children to begin with & she is still covering for Shawn or worse yet protecting herself.  Whatever the reason is that she isnt completely outraged & ripping him a new one is of little consequence now because she is just as guilty by her hand or his.

RAW VIDEO OF BILLIE'S REACTION:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346846


Three major things of note observing her:

1)   Profuse eye blinking
2)   Uncontrollable throat gulping
3)   Nervous lip/gum biting

ALL signs of deception

She doesnt know how it got on there, she doesnt know who all was on the computer at Shawn's mother's house, she hasnt talked to anyone about it, she found out about it this morning (bull and more bull)

Shes still protecting herself, Shawn & attempting to point the finger at someone else

Yesterday ... Billie was first reaction to the child porn revelation was to distance both her and Shawn from implication.

Why was Billie so quick to defend Shawn when she knew that the memory stick belonged to this guy?

Janet

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UPDATE: Child Porn Seized in Hailey Dunn Investigation
Friday, February 25 2011

Dunn denied the images belonging to her or Shawn Adkins, saying she has no idea where they would have come from.  Adkins told Tatro he was unable to comment about the development at the request of his attorney.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346446

I couldn;t have said it better myself.

4 Donks - you hit the nail on the head honey! Holy cow.

I agree, Janet.  SA called her daughter promiscuous, and said she experimented in drugs.  She was mildly displeased.  SA becomes the number one suspect in her own baby girl's disappearance and possible murder.  She might not talk to him again (and then again she might - and in fact she does).  SA has two computers associated with him, one of them is child porn that he brought into her and her children's house, not only endangering the children but Lord forbid (!!!!) endangering herself.  'I'll talk to him a liddle bit'.

My own personal opinion is that either she's completely codependent on him, or they're two of a feather.  OR both.

She's a stupid idiot!



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot

Definition of IDIOT

1 usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation

2 : a foolish or stupid person



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid

Definition of STUPID

1 a : slow of mind : obtuse
 
  b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner

  c : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish

2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : torpid <still stupid from the sedative>

3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : senseless <a stupid decision>

4 a : lacking interest or point <a stupid event>

  b : vexatious, exasperating

I would have no idea, but am willing to bet, that this is how Billie grew up, and so probably in her head, that is why she is a good mother. I mean how many mothers at the age Billie's mom is, get thrown in jail for drug charges?

The child porn revelation was the catalyst that opened the eyes of Marc Klaas in regards to the real Billie Dunn.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Pornography Found on Hailey Dunn`s Family`s Computer
Aired February 25, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOW: Marc Klaas. You were in that home. You got to know her. What are your thoughts now? What were your thoughts then? She -- I really enjoyed watching her. I thought she was very honest when she was on this show talking.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: I did, too. I did, too. And I`ll tell you, one thing that I don`t believe Billie Dunn is, is I don`t believe that she`s naive and clueless at all. I think she`s a very street savvy young lady. I think that she knows exactly what`s going on around her. And I find it very, very difficult to believe, in light of these new allegations or this new -- this new information, that she was completely clueless to absolutely everything that was going on.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/25/ng.01.html

Yeah Klaas, but don't forget that CD WAS HIDDEN BEHIND SEVERAL DVDS in the master bedroom entertainment center of sorts. Pffffft!

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 ::HelloKitty::

Hey monks - I said from the beginning that BD and SA are a TEAM.

::HelloKitty::  and will be until justice is served for Hailey!

Absofrigginlutely!

It's funny - when she mentions that she heard about it 'this morning' she looks down to the right - nothing wrong with that.  When she says she needs to find some truth, she looks strongly down to the left.  When she is asked "I mean is it Shawn's stuff, or where is it coming from?" she looks down hard to the left, can't answer, makes a smooch noise while she thinks about it (shouldn't be that hard huh if she's that sure) and then says the computer wasn't his, the stick was, and that he didn't put stuff on it.  (Which really doesn't matter because he still took it - it's who keeps it and didn't turn it in to police that counts).  When asked what she's going to ask SA, she prepares a story again by stopping, doesn't answer the question, and says he didnt put the stuff on the stick. And again when she says it's not typical for anyone she knows.  When of course is it - just look at her brother's myspace!  If eyes tell the truth, she is truthful when she says she's pretty upset about it, but does make a point to say she has to "get things cleared up".  Yes, she certainly does.

What an awkward interview.

Ditto!

There is NOTHING for her to "clear up" but everything for her to behind bars for.   She's still trying to place blame elsewhere to protect him & herself.   The only upset she has now is that they are both getting caught & they both will answer for what they have done.   Her demeanor is not of bewilderment or shock, its all about defending.   She isnt outraged by conduct that is so repulsive, she's outraged that they are being accused again.   She doesnt care what happened to Hailey, she cares that she is about to be locked up along with her boyfriend.

ANY mother whose first priority were her children would have never had him or any of that material (both the deviant and child porn crap) around her children.   ANY mother who wasnt a willing participant in those activities would be ripping Shawn a new orafice & demanding to know the truth....she knows the truth & it pains me to say it but Hailey is dead.

Marc Klaas

NANCY GRACE
Aired February 25, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

KLAAS: ... Klaas Kids is very clear. We tell every family of a missing child, number one, to tell the truth, number two, cooperate with law enforcement, and number three, come clean about absolutely everything. That was not followed in this case, and the repercussions are grand. They`re huge because everything that`s going on now really is detracting from the one goal that everybody should be focusing on, which is finding Hailey Dunn.  Billie should be ashamed of herself for holding back information that she`s had all of this time.

CASAREZ: Can we assume that Billie Dunn knew all of this?

KLAAS: I don`t think we can assume anything. I don`t think that Billie Dunn is responsible for her daughter`s disappearance. I don`t think she is. But beyond that, I think everything is open to question.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/25/ng.01.html

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just watched the video of the interview with BJD about yesterday's revelations.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346846

She admits she knew about the memory stick and who it belonged to...but she didn't know THAT was on there, WTH did she think was on there for it to be hidden like it was?

 ::pullinghairout::

Such a liar!   ::MonkeyMad::

I've never ever nevereverever wanted to kick somebody in their face...until now.

Going to the gym, bbl...need to deal with it constructively.

Oh she'll talk to him a little, Capp.  "How are we going to clear THIS one up, loverpiesugartushpsychohoney?"

She has her big house, her big TV, a new couch, 2 six packs in the cooler outside, no kids to have to hide stuff from in the house anymore.  Why go out and search when its going to bring about no surprising results for her, nothing good for her, when she can just start her life right now and live it the way she hasnt been able to, well, ever!  She had kids at so young, she probably didn't have a place just to her self and her snookumpop ever, and no job to have to worry about, and no kids to feed or walk in when you have that mask on in a compromising situation.

She'll even slightly throw SA under the bus to make sure she keeps her place in the world.  She did, after all, state that it was his - several times.

I guess parenting was such drudgery for her, lord knows she's told us all how she had to do it all on her own.  And hey -t hey can just throw SA's mom under the bus.  It's ok if moms go to jail; hers does often.  They eventually get out and can go right back to doing what they always do:  drink, drug, beat people up. 

I do think its interesting that even SA doesn't throw his own mom under the bus.  But then again, he has an attorney.

Yes, I'm feeling snarky today.  I had better go beat up on some wood, or dig some dirt, and use up all the bile I have storing up in my stomach and heart. :P

I just watched that video as well with Billie, she don't know, she don't know, I wish the news lady would have asked her if a porn fairy maybe put it in her dresser, Billie probably would have said, yes, that is what must have happened.

Our bodies, gardens, etc are going to be in remarkable shape with all the constructive-dealing we're doing - if any of us gets any sleep sometime soon.  I just remembered - this isn't bad, because it already existed.  This information is actually GOOD because it may be a catalyst to getting Hailey some real justice, and for the real characters of the people responsible to be brought to light.  OTherwise, IF BD did it (and yes - everyone is innocent until proven guilty) they might think her the shining angel victim mommy forever.  But if she's guilty, then this will surely help people see through the batting eyelashes and deer-eyed stares.

Shes trying to get around a possession of child pornography charge, claiming no knowledge for the content.  It hardly matters due to the fact that it was found in her dresser drawer at her home.   While not the actual legal definition of possession, its karma to say in this instance that Possession is 9 10ths of the law ::MonkeyWink::

She is screwed, blued and tattooed on this issue & the only way she will be getting a lesser sentence is if she rolls over with valid information against Shawn.

The Traffick911 rally

Billie Dunn won't speak at rally after pornographic images discovered
Posted February 25, 2011 at 11:11 p.m.

Billie Dunn will not be appearing at an upcoming event aimed at putting an end to human trafficking after the news that a computer memory stick with images depicting child pornography was found in her house.

The memory stick was found as the result of search warrants being carried out at Dunn's home in Colorado City, following the disappearance of her 13-year-old daughter Hailey Dunn.

Billie and her estranged husband, Clint Dunn, originally were asked to appear together at a Traffick911 rally in Mansfield on Sunday. Traffick911 is an organization aimed at stopping the buying and selling of American children into sexual slavery.

"Traffick911 is deeply saddened by this revelation," Deena Graves, executive director of Traffick911, said in a statement Friday. "Any child in a pornographic image is a trafficked child and our organization is driven to stop the trafficking of children in any form."

<snipped>

The Sunday event is for Hailey and other missing and exploited children, Graves said.

"The images found underscore how critical it is to focus on demand and help people understand how pornography drives this horrific crime against our children," she said.

Graves said although Billie Dunn will not speak at the rally, Clint Dunn will speak and hold a vigil for Hailey, who was reported missing Dec. 28.

Clint Dunn said he looks forward to the event and hopes it will draw attention to many people's ignorance concerning missing and exploited children.

"I've got to get the word out on this," he said, "that 2,200 kids go missing every day. I'm not talking about some number I got off the Internet, I'm talking about these are the real numbers of kids reported missing."

He said he was disappointed at the news of what the search warrant uncovered because it puts more stress on the search and takes more attention away from finding Hailey.

"I work so hard to get everything ironed out," he said, "and when I finally do another wrinkle pops up."

He maintains that he will look for his daughter until he finds her and hopes the event encourages people to continue to work to bring Hailey home.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/feb/25/billie-dunn-wont-speak-at-rally-after-images/

I can't say I've never wanted to before...and after watching that...it seems appropriate again!    ::MonkeyMad::

ABSOLUTELY!  And she's admitted on video she knew it was there!   ::MonkeyGavel::

BBM

I hope he has more sense than to refer to child porn as another wrinkle..What the he!! is wrong with him. This group is established to stop trafficking children in the sex trade.

I have to say this now, he has to take a step back because the writing has been on the wall for a very long time that he seems to not want to face.   The reason Hailey is "missing" is Shawn & Billie so this news about child pornography is hardly a "wrinkle."   It has to be difficult to face reality but Hailey never left her mother's house alive beyond the late evening of 12/26 or early 12/27, if Im wrong I'll have to eat some major crow but I most regretfully dont think I am.

Anyone else notice how she HAD to mention that NG's people called her that morning? It must have killed her to turn down her big chance to be back on national TV. And laughable that she couldn't o the interview because she didn't know anything--when has she EVER known anything?! No, this time she didn't dare go on the show because she know she'd be crucified...

And I forget who mentioned it but I bet NG would have asked if the porn fairy put it there!

Heck, I'm surprised she hasn't thrown DD under the bus for it...thank God for small favors... But hey, was Mark Fuhrman anywhere in the vicinity?! LOL

 ::MonkeyNoNo::   Sadly, I agree.

My prediction, she will lawyer up, the porn was put in the dresser by Shawn, and she never looks around in her dresser and never saw it. Now, I never look around in my dressers, and probably wouldn't have found it myself, but that's me. Also, where I was born and raised, there are just a lot of people that don't get it, yes they may think this kind of porn is bad, but would never understand it is against the law and such. Many people there just see nothing wrong with a lot of things, such as while the parents are in the bar, the kids are on the steps outside waiting. They grew up like that, and it just keeps going like that unfortunately. Could say ignorant is the cause, but I really think they know no better. And thankfully I did not grow up that way, no way, no how.

Ooops, sorry! I messed up the quoting on my last post. Everything under the URL was my commentary. I tried to go back and fix but it wouldn't let me...

Interesting, I never would have thought Billie was the age she is, she looks so much younger then she is. She could have purposefully dressed young for that very reason.

I've been thinking the same.  And she'll wish she would have kept her big mouth shut all along...but it's too late!  She's admitted SHE KNEW it was there, and that SHAWN brought it there.  Her words and deeds will come back to haunt her.  THANK GOODNESS!  JMO

It's the bestiality part that gets me even more than the porn.

For me also Klaas   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ok, just gonna toss this thought out there - WHAT IF Shawn had/made connections into the world of child trafficing, hooked up with these pervs and "sold" Hailey?  He walked off his job that morning for whatever reason, boss said he was a good employee, no problems etc.

There doesn't seem any rush to go back to work for either of them, talk about donated van, new TV, his truck suddenly seemed to be running and whatever else has transpired that we have no knowledge of. 

She insists that Hailey is alive, which we hear from all parents when their child goes missing but perhaps in this case it could be or was true?

You could very well be right  ::MonkeyNoNo::

What are the implications for Christina Walker in regards to the images from on the computer ... the computer taken from her home.

Janet

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Documents: Hailey Dunn's iPod, Other Electronics Seized
Thursday, January 13 2011

Another search warrant seized a computer and hard drive from the home of Adkins' mother, Christina Walker, in Big Spring.  The attached affidavit states Shawn Adkins had spent time on the computer.  Walker agreed to let investigators search the computer on Dec. 30, two days after Hailey was reported missing.  Police downloaded thee contents of the computer, and when Walker told Ofc. Alexander that she was coming to pick it up on Jan. 5, the computer was placed into evidence, the affidavit said.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=331216

Has it ever been confirmed exactly where BD's and SA's paths first crossed on the internet?  In light of this latest news, the answer could be enlightening.

When I consider that the weather was cold and Hailey's jacket and shoes where found in the home ... I suspect that Shawn retrieved a deceased Hailey from her bed between 6:35 AM and 7:00 AM on the morning of December 27th immediately following Billie's departure to work.

Janet

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=346796

Hailey Dunn's Grandmother Arrested on Drug Charge

 ::snipping2::

According to publicdata.com, Ostrander has a history of arrests including three DWIs, assault, theft, and possession of marijuana.

And over and over this lifestyle continues  ::MonkeyNoNo:: a lot of people don't break lose from it and better themselves, I really think that when Billie says she is a good mom, she really believes that.

How did he remove her from the house?   Seems the neighbors didn't miss to much in the comings and goings from that house.  If he'd put her in the car in the dark wee hours wouldn't the scent dogs have picked up something from the car if she'd been deceased?

 If she was still alive but perhaps drugged there would be no death scent, he could have passed her off to someone in his travels that morning?

If she was in the car when he went to work he'd be risking being pulled over, in these small towns in Texas LE are "here" just waiting, see it every day..  I'm sure he was well known in the area and if he was being extra cautious driving that would draw attention, how couldn't he be concerned about being caught?   I don't know just seems whatever scenario used it was high risk getting her out of the house at whatever time and transporting to where ever.

Maybe he took a lesson from KC and put her drugged in the trunk. ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah, somebody posted that at the beginning of this case. Maybe it was in thread 1 or thread 2? I don't remember the actual screen schot being posted, though, only the info. For some reason I thought pills were mentioned as well as cannabis. I'm not positive, maybe I'm confusing the info in my head?

This is my first futile attempt at a "different" missing children's poster:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Hailey%20Dunn/HDDMissingPosterFinal.jpg)

Accck! Photobucket automatically resized it and it washed out the picture definition and vibrant coloring!

I read Connie was arrested for Possession of a Controlled Substance - Penalty Group 1:

http://www.fastlaws.com/index.php?id=txhs481_115

Sec. 481.115. Offense: Possession of Substance in Penalty Group 1.
(a) Except as authorized by this chapter, a person commits an offense if the person knowingly or intentionally possesses a controlled substance listed in Penalty Group 1, unless the person obtained the substance directly from or under a valid prescription or order of a practitioner acting in the course of professional practice.
(b) An offense under Subsection (a) is a state jail felony if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, less than one gram.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, one gram or more but less than four grams.
(d) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the second degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, four grams or more but less than 200 grams.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the first degree if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, 200 grams or more but less than 400 grams.
(f) An offense under Subsection (a) is punishable by imprisonment in the institutional division of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for life or for a term of not more than 99 years or less than 10 years, and a fine not to exceed $100,000, if the amount of the controlled substance possessed is, by aggregate weight, including adulterants or dilutants, 400 grams or more.

I am wondering if David knew about the porn and Hailey too.  If David knew he may have tipped off the LE.  I would also think the children would have known of any drug use by the adults, and even their grandmother FTLOG.

I agree. Those poor kids. It's all just sooo despicable.