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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 11:06:36 AM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 08:35:02 PM
San - was this your Tech Support guy?  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India3.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 08:35:56 PM
ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!! Klaas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 08:37:47 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I think San is still getting her tail untangled from the door.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
btw Klaas the cookie is a nice touch too  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
San - was this your Tech Support guy?  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India3.jpg)


 :lol:  :smt043  :smt044  :smt046  :smt045

I'm saving this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 08:38:32 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
btw Klaas the cookie is a nice touch too  :wink:

It was already there but I should have substituted one of yours, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
San - was this your Tech Support guy?  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India3.jpg)


And Cookies too  ROLF
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/lolololol.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 08:41:02 PM
This will be my mental picture now whenever I get one of those calls from those fractured English speaking dudes that pester me all day long.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 29, 2007, 08:44:38 PM
San

With Windows XP, you can give anyone remote access.  I think the intent was to be able to use your files from a different computer.

My son (in Chicago) use to enter my daughter's (at the time, in California) computer and "fix" her mistakes/problems.  She used to call and say "I don't know, the mouse is moving and he's clicking stuff...".

Saved her a lot of "tech" bills.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
San - was this your Tech Support guy?  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India3.jpg)



 :smt005  :safe:  :smt005


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 08:48:38 PM
I truly am just guffawing here, you have cracked me up Klaas !!! can't stop laughing  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
Well gang...
Time to start thinking of food (Blame it on the mention of Cookies)

But got to ask   What the heck is coming out of Tib's avatar egg ?

It looks like it has Frog eyes.   :shock:  
Sorry but it sure does not look like a baby chick to me.

JMO of course


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Seamonkey on March 29, 2007, 08:49:49 PM
Ah Looky I made the transition to here with no bruises. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well gang...
Time to start thinking of food (Blame it on the mention of Cookies)

But got to ask   What the heck is coming out of Tib's avatar egg ?

It looks like it has Frog eyes.   :shock:  
Sorry but it sure does not look like a baby chick to me.

JMO of course


a baby ROBOTS ?????? :smt102


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 08:50:58 PM
buckeye there are subscription programs out there you can use to gain remote access, I used one when I was going back and forth to Atlanta a good bit, it always felt so weird too. Your screensaver even shows up, sort of like an alien out of body experience to it  :lol: I quit when I was told it's a security risk though.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 08:53:53 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India4.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: "Seamonkey"
Ah Looky I made the transition to here with no bruises. :)


SeaMonkey
Glad you did not get (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/thrownout-1.gif) while trying to get to the cage :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 29, 2007, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
buckeye there are subscription programs out there you can use to gain remote access, I used one when I was going back and forth to Atlanta a good bit, it always felt so weird too. Your screensaver even shows up, sort of like an alien out of body experience to it  :lol: I quit when I was told it's a security risk though.....


Don't think you even need a subscription or anything extra, now a days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 29, 2007, 08:55:32 PM
Alien out of body experience,Like Cat,this John of tech support.May Gamesh bless you and Shiva kill you.I don't want some visuals,but what the heck,Meow.Count Down to Conviction-51 Days.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well gang...
Time to start thinking of food (Blame it on the mention of Cookies)

But got to ask   What the heck is coming out of Tib's avatar egg ?

It looks like it has Frog eyes.   :shock:  
Sorry but it sure does not look like a baby chick to me.

JMO of course


I wondered what it was too OldFart.  But as long as the lid keeps closing on it I am not so worried.  If it is ever missing I will have to start looking for it ..... :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 29, 2007, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India4.jpg)



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India4.jpg)


You even gave SAN a video cam thingy so he  sees here  :shock:
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/India4.jpg)

I was just sayng to myself you should write something on the screen. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
gotta run.. and can not spell     :oops:    Her   not  here

Klaasend

can you add some of Nones  cookies which look like this
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/DSC02602.jpg)

Hope she does not mind that I copied them from her cookie site


SeeeYaByeee All


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
Oldfart - I already added one of None's cookies?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well gang...
Time to start thinking of food (Blame it on the mention of Cookies)

But got to ask   What the heck is coming out of Tib's avatar egg ?

It looks like it has Frog eyes.   :shock:  
Sorry but it sure does not look like a baby chick to me.

JMO of course


I wondered what it was too OldFart.  But as long as the lid keeps closing on it I am not so worried.  If it is ever missing I will have to start looking for it ..... :shock:  :shock:


its a little robotic bird, i can see the beak



ON TOPIC--------  this "BOOK" will be nothng more than LIES that have been forged from the DRIBBLE of paulus and anita

these people lie like its nothing


sickening


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:08:35 PM
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2007, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Oldfart - I already added one of None's cookies?  :wink:


I saw that.. But BUG cookies ??

SYB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:09:57 PM
"TECH SUPPORT may i help you ?"


my name is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPAKKKKKKKKKKK


i wanted to be a DOCTOR


haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 09:15:50 PM
ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Klaas and San and OF !!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

little none is standing behind me and she said "ya'll are nuts"  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:16:49 PM
The less said about the pterodactyl the better. It was a spectacle, that beast! a mixture of buzzard and alligator, a sarcasm, an affront to all animated nature, a butt for the ribald jests of an unfeeling world. After some ages Nature perceived that to put feathers on a reptile does not ennoble it, does not make it a bird, but only a sham, a joke, a grotesque curiosity, a monster; also that there was no useful thing for the pterodactyl to do, and nothing likely to turn up in the future that could furnish it employment. And so she abolished it.

i think Mr. Twain is talking about JORAN  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:17:33 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Klaas and San and OF !!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

little none is standing behind me and she said "ya'll are nuts"  :lol:  :lol:





pretty smart little one  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)


I love Norah Jones too, Robots


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Klaas and San and OF !!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

little none is standing behind me and she said "ya'll are nuts"  :lol:  :lol:





pretty smart little one  8)


hi robots-

she's laughing her head off too, she loves it we have fun  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)


I love Norah Jones too, Robots


you can see her on youtube  8)

she calls me once in awhile..just to say hi


 :twisted:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Klaas and San and OF !!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

little none is standing behind me and she said "ya'll are nuts"  :lol:  :lol:





pretty smart little one  8)


hi robots-

she's laughing her head off too, she loves it we have fun  :wink:


does she like robotic creatures ??? 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 29, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: "robots"
"TECH SUPPORT may i help you ?"

my name is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPAKKKKKKKKKKK

i wanted to be a DOCTOR

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8)

Wrong Robo, it was Satish that wanted to be the doctor.  Deepack only aspired to be a counter worker in a coffee shop.  The shop went under, his heyday as a drug dealer took a serious hit recently.  Now he's just chillin' with Nadira and his brother.  Lookin to merge with Boeti.
But it's not all bad news for the Kalpoes, they are still hoping Satish will be accepted to med school.   :o


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)


I love Norah Jones too, Robots


you can see her on youtube  8)

she calls me once in awhile..just to say hi


 :twisted:  :lol:


I have her CD's  
I like Natalie Cole, too.  Used to love Nat as well.  Such a smooth voice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)


I love Norah Jones too, Robots


you can see her on youtube  8)

she calls me once in awhile..just to say hi


 :twisted:  :lol:


I have her CD's  
I like Natalie Cole, too.  Used to love Nat as well.  Such a smooth voice.



yepper


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
"TECH SUPPORT may i help you ?"

my name is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPAKKKKKKKKKKK

i wanted to be a DOCTOR

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8)

Wrong Robo, it was Satish that wanted to be the doctor.  Deepack only aspired to be a counter worker in a coffee shop.  The shop went under, his heyday as a drug dealer took a serious hit recently.  Now he's just chillin' with Nadira and his brother.  Lookin to merge with Boeti.
But it's not all bad news for the Kalpoes, they are still hoping Satish will be accepted to med school.   :o


I think SunFreak estimated it would take Satish 20 years to pass the  pre-med course.  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
ohhhhhhhh so it was SATISH that wanted to be a DOCTOR, thank you

silly robots !!


i hate every single one of em


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 09:28:15 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/NoraRobots.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/NoraRobots.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 29, 2007, 09:30:33 PM
Klaas  :lol:  :lol: that's priceless and daughter just said we are getting too "weird" with the robot with Nora  :lol:

robots my daughter likes the monkeys just ask San since they talk you know  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:30:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/NoraRobots.jpg)


hmmmmm...i cant imagine she would be afraid of me  8)

like that silly CAT  that is roaming around here

speaking of CAT.... where is she ???

did i skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr  her again.

maybe she aint a cat...maybe she is a chicken  :shock:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Klaas  :lol:  :lol: that's priceless and daughter just said we are getting too "weird" with the robot with Nora  :lol:

robots my daughter likes the monkeys just ask San since they talk you know  :lol:



we are all a  little weird arent we ???

LOL  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/NoraRobots.jpg)


hmmmmm...i cant imagine she would be afraid of me  8)

like that silly CAT  that is roaming around here

speaking of CAT.... where is she ???

did i skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr  her again.

maybe she aint a cat...maybe she is a chicken  :shock:  8)


Last I saw of Cat he was trying to catch that Easter chicken for his avatar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
off topic... i might be falling in love with NORAH JONES  8)

She's very pretty  :wink:


yes, she is but her voice....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

like silk


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/NoraRobots.jpg)


hmmmmm...i cant imagine she would be afraid of me  8)

like that silly CAT  that is roaming around here

speaking of CAT.... where is she ???

did i skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr  her again.

maybe she aint a cat...maybe she is a chicken  :shock:  8)


Last I saw of Cat he was trying to catch that Easter chicken for his avatar.



LOL  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 29, 2007, 09:40:44 PM
I caught the Easter Bunny and it tasted like bunny.I like Nora Jones,I play her music often.You still skerrrrr,how did you know I was a calico,robots.The CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: "robots"

hmmmmm...i cant imagine she would be afraid of me  8)

like that silly CAT  that is roaming around here

speaking of CAT.... where is she ???

did i skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr  her again.

maybe she aint a cat...maybe she is a chicken  :shock:  8)


Robots - the real reason Cat is so afraid of you is because you keep calliing him "she."  :shock:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 09:41:56 PM
New Marriott Basin #24 VIDEO SLIDE SHOW added today.

http://tinyurl.com/mhewX


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:43:38 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"

hmmmmm...i cant imagine she would be afraid of me  8)

like that silly CAT  that is roaming around here

speaking of CAT.... where is she ???

did i skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr  her again.

maybe she aint a cat...maybe she is a chicken  :shock:  8)


Robots - the real reason Cat is so afraid of you is because you keep calliing him "she."  :shock:  :lol:



yea,, i first thought she was a boy and then i went thru a phase where i thought she was a girl.. then i figured she was a boy....


i think im losing it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I caught the Easter Bunny and it tasted like bunny.I like Nora Jones,I play her music often.You still skerrrrr,how did you know I was a calico,robots.The CAT



you know i was calling you SHANGO CAT the other night  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Cat"
I caught the Easter Bunny and it tasted like bunny.I like Nora Jones,I play her music often.You still skerrrrr,how did you know I was a calico,robots.The CAT



you know i was calling you SHANGO CAT the other night  :lol:  8)



but i scoooooted out of here  quickly
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
"TECH SUPPORT may i help you ?"

my name is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPAKKKKKKKKKKK

i wanted to be a DOCTOR

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8)

Wrong Robo, it was Satish that wanted to be the doctor.  Deepack only aspired to be a counter worker in a coffee shop.  The shop went under, his heyday as a drug dealer took a serious hit recently.  Now he's just chillin' with Nadira and his brother.  Lookin to merge with Boeti.
But it's not all bad news for the Kalpoes, they are still hoping Satish will be accepted to med school.   :o


I think SunFreak estimated it would take Satish 20 years to pass the  pre-med course.  :evil:  :evil:


Did he graduate from High School yet???   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:49:48 PM
robots - Out


got some thinking..errrr aahhh i mean i need to go do some work

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 29, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
"TECH SUPPORT may i help you ?"

my name is DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPAKKKKKKKKKKK

i wanted to be a DOCTOR

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 8)

Wrong Robo, it was Satish that wanted to be the doctor.  Deepack only aspired to be a counter worker in a coffee shop.  The shop went under, his heyday as a drug dealer took a serious hit recently.  Now he's just chillin' with Nadira and his brother.  Lookin to merge with Boeti.
But it's not all bad news for the Kalpoes, they are still hoping Satish will be accepted to med school.   :o


I think SunFreak estimated it would take Satish 20 years to pass the  pre-med course.  :evil:  :evil:


Did he graduate from High School yet???   :wink:


summer school

i think ANITA will teach him..........how to tell better LIES


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: "robots"
ohhhhhhhh so it was SATISH that wanted to be a DOCTOR, thank you

silly robots !!


i hate every single one of em


Satish's Business Card:

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Occupation: Rape Specialist
Address:  KIA
Country: Aruba
Zip:  3 Guilty
Tel: 1-800-KIA-SICK
Fax: 1-JP2K-GUILTY
Payment method:  Special Favors


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on March 29, 2007, 09:53:06 PM
None,  if you are still here,  I sent and email to your old yahoo address, i hope it still works!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 09:58:06 PM
4 July 2005

Today was the first day in jail that I actually got the paper and pens.



Ain't that like throwing a drowning man a brick?
:?


I'm with Kat-Gram, I bet he only writes in crayon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
ohhhhhhhh so it was SATISH that wanted to be a DOCTOR, thank you

silly robots !!


i hate every single one of em


Satish's Business Card:

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Occupation: Rape Specialist
Address:  KIA
Country: Aruba
Zip:  3 Guilty
Tel: 1-800-KIA-SICK
Fax: 1-JP2K-GUILTY
Payment method:  Special Favors



LOL He needs to toss it in the Bennigan's Office Pool Fishbowl

and win some free dinner. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 29, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
4 July 2005

Today was the first day in jail that I actually got the paper and pens.



Ain't that like throwing a drowning man a brick?
:?


I'm with Kat-Gram, I bet he only writes in crayon.

And liar is his favorite color.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
4 July 2005

Today was the first day in jail that I actually got the paper and pens.



Ain't that like throwing a drowning man a brick?
:?


I'm with Kat-Gram, I bet he only writes in crayon.

And liar is his favorite color.

His favorite color is Red Blotch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:05:49 PM
FOB must have a private area where they are posting.  They have lots of people signed in but nobody posting.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 29, 2007, 10:06:08 PM
You guys are getting too too strange. ! !
But I am ROFL x 20.125.
Satish, we believe is in Grade X11 b. ( as per Tibbi ) .
Soon he will go into c.)
Lots of letters to go thru all the way to z.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB must have a private area where they are posting.  They have lots of people signed in but nobody posting.   :wink:

Shhhhhhhh don't tell them we know :lol:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 29, 2007, 10:07:09 PM
Then he will be a Ph. D of Grade XII.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 29, 2007, 10:07:22 PM
SK is going for his ged.Robots,u skeeerrr me.I have no idea what you are,but i am Shango Jazz Atticus Spartecus Cat,1111 I think SK will make a good prison doctor,u know tats,etc.DK can say Trailers for sale or rent.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB must have a private area where they are posting.  They have lots of people signed in but nobody posting.   :wink:


All trying to decipher the book posting....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:11:17 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
Well, damn. If there is, as some have suggested, a police investigation into the Affair of the Stolen Diary Entries, or the Matter of the Purloined Postings, or whatever you wish to call this latest idiocy, I certainly want to read Sandra's PV or 302.

Proces Verbaal -- March 30, 2007

Detective Erasmus (Rotterdam P.D.): State your name for the record, please.

SandraK: You be member evil HMI do real life investigation.

Detective Erasmus: Huh?

SandraK: Ask The Trix. She know. She evil. I love Aruba! Nobody love Araba more than SandraK. I working very hard solve this case. Trixing.

Detective Erasmus: Uuhh...whatever...it's Sandra, right? SandraK?

SandraK: Eline know.

Detective Erasmus: Who's Eline?

SandraK: She da boss of HMI who say they all guilty. The Trix is trixing.

Detective Erasmus: Oh, f*** this. Hey, Van Rijn, you want to take over this interrogation?

Detective Rembrandt van Rijn: Oh, give me a break, Razzy. I'm up to my ass in paperwork with the tulip bulb heist.

Detective Erasmus: Yeah, well, I gotta interview some witnesses in the Amstel brewery sabotage. I don't have time for this shit.

Detective van Rijn: Gouda help me. Yeah, okay. You owe me bigtime for this one, Razzy. All right now, miss...SandraK is your name?

SandraK: They sooz Aruba.

Detective van Rijn: What?

SandraK: I love Hannie more than anybody. She my sister.

Detective van Rijn: Who the hell is Hannie?

SandraK: She know.

Detective van Rijn: What does she know?

SandraK: They evil. Eline try to hurt my Julie. The Trix is trixing. Charles Croes is @ bum.

Detective van Rijn: What language are you speaking?

SandraK: Aruba sooz. HMI is Trixing the Trix.

Detective van Rijn: Can we get someone in here who understands f***ing Urdu?

SandraK: Keremel was trusted member of sooper secret group. Them gave he them her who it Hannie knows evil Eline Trixing Writergal with Charlierat I love him Trixing Karemel Beth knows Pax.

Detective van Rijn: Somebody get me a frigging martini. Quick. No, just bring the whole goddamned vodka bottle.

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 29, 2007, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB must have a private area where they are posting.  They have lots of people signed in but nobody posting.   :wink:

What if they are only one person. ???
And it is one robot, no,  not you, who posts.
From the muliple personality section of the Sybil ward. ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB must have a private area where they are posting.  They have lots of people signed in but nobody posting.   :wink:


All trying to decipher the book posting....

Let's see:

How many people think Joran wrote it: JR-Dutch Attorney in USA, dugo, Hannah, Kat123, maria, islandamethyst, Acala, sunmoonstars, mytake, jam, BornCynic, Slick, utah, prolific2, DocTar, cutter bill, FOB_Lurker, annie13

How many people think he didn't: medleyrelay


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:15:43 PM
And they have the nerve to say we are strange?
What a load of buffalo chips  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
And they have the nerve to say we are strange?
What a load of buffalo chips  :evil:  :evil:
ROFLMAO! Buffalo chips.. :lol:  Hiya Monkeys!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Tibro - Writergal used to post here at SM a long time ago, she really does have a way with words and she's portrayed SandraK to a "T"  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
And they have the nerve to say we are strange?
What a load of buffalo chips  :evil:  :evil:
ROFLMAO! Buffalo chips.. :lol:  Hiya Monkeys!!


Hi Elaine   Nice to see you - I keep missing you with all the new time changes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.
Something tells me SandraK isn't too popular these days!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
And they have the nerve to say we are strange?
What a load of buffalo chips  :evil:  :evil:
ROFLMAO! Buffalo chips.. :lol:  Hiya Monkeys!!


Hi Elaine   Nice to see you - I keep missing you with all the new time changes.
Hi Tibro! Good to see you too. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Tibro - Writergal used to post here at SM a long time ago, she really does have a way with words and she's portrayed SandraK to a "T"  :lol:


I am speechless.........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Actually, it reads pretty much like SandraK talks. I had forgotten how hard she was to interpret.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 29, 2007, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Actually, it reads pretty much like SandraK talks. I had forgotten how hard she was to interpret.  :lol:

WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol: Someone just emailed this to me.  I think it came from the RU heated exchange forum.  Not sure because I don't have access to that forum:

 :lol:   :smt082
writergal wrote:
 
{EDITED}

SandraK: De boat drinks room is open!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is funny.


It reads like they have already spent too long in the drinks room.

They will probably end up with as many versions as Blobhead has lies  :evil:


Actually, it reads pretty much like SandraK talks. I had forgotten how hard she was to interpret.  :lol:


It would be easier to understand SHANGO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: "San"
WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

It would be easier to understand SHANGO


OMG Yes! I remember she would make posts and everyone would be posting back to her saying things like "Huh?" and "WTH does that mean?" :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:34:38 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Was this her alter ego?

The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Was this her alter ego?

The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:

No - Wonderwoman is an entirely different person

If those nutcases were still here posting I wouldn't be here.  I can't put up with that kind of BS.  Sorry  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 10:36:29 PM
So all is quiet on the Refugees front tonight, huh?

Don't worry, SOMEONE will crack and let slip what happened in the hearing. Are you kidding me? As much as those people love to talk and listen to their OWN SELVES LOL, for SURE someone will spill the beans on the verdict that was supposed to have come down today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Was this her alter ego?

The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:


There were some definite characters back in the early days. I still miss the love of my life, Ting. (Swoon)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 29, 2007, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
WonderWoman could understand her. :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Was this her alter ego?

The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:


There were some definite characters back in the early days. I still miss the love of my life, Ting. (Swoon)


Edited to add: Ting was a sock monkey  :lol:

Night monkeys. Sweet dreams.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:


Tibro, you and Patti have no idea what you were missing LOL.

The only thing we have now that could approach it would be F.O.M, and she hasn't been drunk on here in a long time. She used to get in here on Saturday nights and we would all scratch our heads.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: "sb"
So all is quiet on the Refugees front tonight, huh?

Don't worry, SOMEONE will crack and let slip what happened in the hearing. Are you kidding me? As much as those people love to talk and listen to their OWN SELVES LOL, for SURE someone will spill the beans on the verdict that was supposed to have come down today.
LOL! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


The cage must seem tame these days without all those nutcases posting  :roll:


Tibro, you and Patti have no idea what you were missing LOL.

The only thing we have now that could approach it would be F.O.M, and she hasn't been drunk on here in a long time. She used to get in here on Saturday nights and we would all scratch our heads.


Well, sb, if that email was a taste of what used to happen I am happier to be here now with civilised monkeys and Klaas.  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 29, 2007, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
So all is quiet on the Refugees front tonight, huh?

Don't worry, SOMEONE will crack and let slip what happened in the hearing. Are you kidding me? As much as those people love to talk and listen to their OWN SELVES LOL, for SURE someone will spill the beans on the verdict that was supposed to have come down today.
LOL! :lol:


Wouldn't it be hilarious if Paulus was who took Joran to court over not having his name in the book?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 10:46:43 PM
Did you get an e-mail from one of the Refuseniks?

WATCH OUT, they have done some funny business with e-mail addresses in the past.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Did you get an e-mail from one of the Refuseniks?

WATCH OUT, they have done some funny business with e-mail addresses in the past.


No, not me - I was referring to the one Klaas posted on previous page.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Did you get an e-mail from one of the Refuseniks?

WATCH OUT, they have done some funny business with e-mail addresses in the past.


Don't worry SB  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:50:18 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
So all is quiet on the Refugees front tonight, huh?

Don't worry, SOMEONE will crack and let slip what happened in the hearing. Are you kidding me? As much as those people love to talk and listen to their OWN SELVES LOL, for SURE someone will spill the beans on the verdict that was supposed to have come down today.
LOL! :lol:


Wouldn't it be hilarious if Paulus was who took Joran to court over not having his name in the book?!
It sure would, him or Anita (Or she doesn't want her picture with the see thru blouse in there!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 29, 2007, 10:50:22 PM
Klaas............A late thank you for the "catch up" earlier! I got a call and have just now been able to get back here! You're the best!

Ohhhhhhh, of them all, SandraK got on my last nerve! I never responded to her, just felt stupid that I couldn't follow anything she said. One night she went off on another poster, and I couldn't take it anymore and had my generic say, then immediately worried I had something wrong (her filthy post was purged by Klaas real quick!) :cry:

I got an e-mail from Mrs Red almost immediately that put me at ease, but Klaas was a referee more times than not and I am soooo glad all that is OVER! Klaas, I'm with you: I wouldn't be here either with her alone!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 10:50:23 PM
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
And any pictures of Anita cannot show the bra!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 29, 2007, 10:51:46 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."


LOL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
Think about it monkeys. How many criminal cases have a forum set up to support the suspects, unbeleiveable!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 29, 2007, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
:smt043  :smt044  :smt046  :smt081


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 10:55:26 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Think about it monkeys. How many criminal cases have a forum set up to support the suspects, unbeleiveable!!

Oh, I'm sure there's a Scott Peterson worship forum somewhere  :roll:  Medleyrelay is probably the administer of it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 29, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
And any pictures of Anita cannot show the bra!


You mean the black tape across the bewbs??? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 29, 2007, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
And any pictures of Anita cannot show the bra!


You mean the black tape across the bewbs??? :lol:


pastie tape


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Think about it monkeys. How many criminal cases have a forum set up to support the suspects, unbeleiveable!!

Oh, I'm sure there's a Scott Peterson worship forum somewhere  :roll:  Medleyrelay is probably the administer of it  :lol:
LMAO, Probably, under a diff. name! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 29, 2007, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
And any pictures of Anita cannot show the bra!


You mean the black tape across the bewbs??? :lol:


pastie tape


Needs a blanket, not tape


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 11:00:44 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "sb"
Elaine, I can see it now:

"Any photographs that Joran puts in the book of his dad must now have the Black Stripe covering his eyes, the Dutch judge ruled today."
And any pictures of Anita cannot show the bra!


You mean the black tape across the bewbs??? :lol:
Oh the thought of it, LOL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 29, 2007, 11:04:57 PM
I have to give someone a ride, I will be back, hope you guys are here ! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 11:05:33 PM
Kidding aside, anyone else wondering just HOW it can be that Guido and his family can have such CLOUT...

... and why?

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 11:09:04 PM
I mean, all this fuss over a CARD SHUFFLER? You THINK?

There has got to be something behind them, how they can go out and get the best attorney in Holland to go on international TV and call all Natalee supporters Nazis, basically, and go to such lengths to make Guido disappear from the canvas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Kidding aside, anyone else wondering just HOW it can be that Guido and his family can have such CLOUT...

... and why?

 :wink:

I do wonder but to be fair, we really don't know that the hearing had anything to do with Guido at all.  We are all just speculating it could be Guido.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 11:13:28 PM
Ladies & Gen'lmanz


Here is the largest heaping pile of cow dookie ever before recorded!



Greta 3/2006



VAN SUSTEREN: And your dreams are, at this point, to do what?

VAN DER SLOOT: I'm studying international business management at my school. And yes, my dreams are just to finish that study, and you know, go on with my life. And I just hope this get solved, for everyone, for everyone involved. For everyone's sake, I really hope that this get solved. And like I said, I mean, I'll use every second of the time that I get to talk. I mean, just if anyone knows anything, just please, please go forward to the police and tell them everything that you know. I mean, it's just so important.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 11:15:06 PM
Where's He Talkin?


THE WORLD CUP

get the heck out of here....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 29, 2007, 11:16:15 PM
I know Klaas, it could well be someone else, but to clamp a gag order on the whole hearing is a bit extreme. It sounds like more of the modus operandi of Sponge, another case of overkill that sure looks like his fingerprints are on it.

Maybe it's just that we don't understand their system  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 11:16:16 PM
JORAN IS A LOAD!

-Robots


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2007, 11:23:34 PM
This was posted by Medleyrelay at RWV today.  Her nickname there is Dark*Star:

Two different thefts almost a year a part. Oct 06 theft in Joran's apt. Theft of the sketchy notes of his thoughts while in prison Fall of 05 - completely different happenings!

Posted by: Dark*Star | Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 08:58 AM

So I believe what she in implying is what SandraK posted is the "sketchy notes" of his thoughts while in KIA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 11:27:11 PM
I love in this part of the FOX INTERVIEW

JORAN FORGETS HIS LIE WITHIN MINUTES

HE SAYS SATISH PICKED HIM UP


--- BUT THEN GOES ON TO DESCRIBE THE CAR  IT AS IF IT WE'RE SATISH'S CAR.

HE'S FOS. SOUNDS LIKE DEEPAK AS THERE, OR AT THE VERY LEAST
THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WENT DOWN.



BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Satish ever get out of the car when he picked you up?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. Never. He stayed behind the wheel the whole time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you point in the general area where Natalee was?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I said that (INAUDIBLE) right there, and that — you know, that — you know, he said, yes, let's screw it. Let's — let's go home.

VAN SUSTEREN: So about how far away was Natalee, at that point, from the car when Satish picked you up?

VAN DER SLOOT: Probably 300 yards.

VAN SUSTEREN: So about 900 feet. I mean...

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... quite a distance. I mean, at least — I mean...

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, there's — I don't know — I didn't even know it was...

VAN SUSTEREN: So you couldn't see her, basically.

VAN DER SLOOT: No, you couldn't see her. I don't know if it was that far, actually, because you have a road that goes there, along with the beach, where he drove by. And his car is kind of fixed up, and you know, his muffler from this car is really loud, so it made a lot of noise. So that's the first thing I heard when he came with his car. That's the first thing I heard was the muffler from the car making sounds. So I actually — I knew — I knew he was coming.[/b]

DIRT-PACK!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 29, 2007, 11:41:34 PM
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you say to Natalee, at that point?

VAN DER SLOOT: At that point, I was with her still at the beach, and I told her that I had to take her — to take her back to her hotel, that really — she really had to go back to her hotel because I really had to go — I really had to go to school the next day.




Here's something to think about -

According to his interviews he pleads with Natalee
to go back to the HI. He even goes so far as trying
to pick her up and physically pick her up to take her back.



If this were true, he SHOULD feel badly, but he should have
a clear conscience because he earnesly tried to take
her back to the hotel, but she refused him.

*B*U*T*

IN HIS BOOK LEAKS and

also an Interview through his mother --- (MSNBC)

He says that is something to the effect that he did wrong
by not taking her back & leaving her with someone responsible!


I argue, that wouldn't be the response of a reasonable individual
that had earnestly tried to take Nat back as he claimed.


(there's guilt in them thar hills)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 30, 2007, 12:00:40 AM
AZSunny - got your email and returned one, thanks !

Klaas I should have known you were all over the hidden areas in all of those forums, I'd heard about those too via some emails but just don't follow up on all the machinations now. I agree that writergal has quite a way with words  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: anidac on March 30, 2007, 12:07:35 AM
Just getting in.  What is this abot a hearing and Guido?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 12:07:57 AM
PAULUS PICK-UP

8/8/05 - Beth: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot - they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00pm on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish to pick him up. So that is something that - you know, we know that Paulus van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00pm on the 29th. We know that the correct pick up time was 4:00am on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/08/ng.01.html

8/15/05 - Beth: Paulus van der Sloot stated that he picked them up at 4:00am on May 30th. "Them", we don't know who they were. But then, even as far as into June 16th and June 17th, Mr. van der Sloot was still stating this 4:00am pick up. Only until around - maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00pm that i had knowledge of. So there's another critical element that he's lied about.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/15/ng.01.html

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting that there is a witness to the Kalpoes picking up Joran at 11:00pm, not Paulus.

And Beth knowing in August 05 that Paulus was telling the 4am story right up until his 6/18 PV? I wonder if Paulus has an earlier witness statement citing the 4am pick up? And if it still exists?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 30, 2007, 12:11:21 AM
good question igsigs, perhaps Jacobs hid it in his cereal box for safekeeping


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: "anidac"
Just getting in.  What is this abot a hearing and Guido?

There was a hearing in the Netherlands regarding Joran's book.  Someone took the publisher to court, evidentally they didn't want their name in the book and the publisher didn't want to take it out.  The decision came down today and it was supposed to be an open hearing.  Now they are saying no information will be given on the verdict.

Speculation is that Guido is the one who wanted his name out of the book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: anidac on March 30, 2007, 12:20:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "anidac"
Just getting in.  What is this abot a hearing and Guido?

There was a hearing in the Netherlands regarding Joran's book.  Someone took the publisher to court, evidentally they didn't want their name in the book and the publisher didn't want to take it out.  The decision came down today and it was supposed to be an open hearing.  Now they are saying no information will be given on the verdict.

Speculation is that Guido is the one who wanted his name out of the book.


Thank you.  It is interesting.  I will catch up more over the weekend.  Off to bed with my bad self now.  Tough week but a sucessfull week!  I'll be back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 12:37:46 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
San

With Windows XP, you can give anyone remote access.  I think the intent was to be able to use your files from a different computer.

My son (in Chicago) use to enter my daughter's (at the time, in California) computer and "fix" her mistakes/problems.  She used to call and say "I don't know, the mouse is moving and he's clicking stuff...".

Saved her a lot of "tech" bills.


 :lol: When I worked for a big company, we had techies who we called and would log into our computers if we had a problem.  They'd say "LET GO OF THE MOUSE" because they couldn't take over and fix the problem if I was doing anything with my mouse.  I remember this because I heard that phrase a lot.  Seems I couldn't remember to LET GO OF THE MOUSE.   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 12:40:10 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
This was posted by Medleyrelay at RWV today.  Her nickname there is Dark*Star:

Two different thefts almost a year a part. Oct 06 theft in Joran's apt. Theft of the sketchy notes of his thoughts while in prison Fall of 05 - completely different happenings!

Posted by: Dark*Star | Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 08:58 AM

So I believe what she in implying is what SandraK posted is the "sketchy notes" of his thoughts while in KIA.


Were these sketchy notes stolen IN THE PRISON or after he ran off to Arnhem?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 12:42:01 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Paulus was who took Joran to court over not having his name in the book?!
It sure would, him or Anita (Or she doesn't want her picture with the see thru blouse in there!)[/quote]

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 12:43:09 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "klaasend"
This was posted by Medleyrelay at RWV today.  Her nickname there is Dark*Star:

Two different thefts almost a year a part. Oct 06 theft in Joran's apt. Theft of the sketchy notes of his thoughts while in prison Fall of 05 - completely different happenings!

Posted by: Dark*Star | Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 08:58 AM

So I believe what she in implying is what SandraK posted is the "sketchy notes" of his thoughts while in KIA.


Were these sketchy notes stolen IN THE PRISON or after he ran off to Arnhem?

I believe while he was in prison


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Elaine"
It sure would, him or Anita (Or she doesn't want her picture with the see thru blouse in there!)


 :lol:  :lol:


I made a mess of the copying-deleting of the quote stack.  Elaine is the one who posted about Anita's blouse.   :?  :oops:  I think this is correct now?   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "klaasend"
This was posted by Medleyrelay at RWV today.  Her nickname there is Dark*Star:

Two different thefts almost a year a part. Oct 06 theft in Joran's apt. Theft of the sketchy notes of his thoughts while in prison Fall of 05 - completely different happenings!

Posted by: Dark*Star | Thursday, March 29, 2007 at 08:58 AM

So I believe what she in implying is what SandraK posted is the "sketchy notes" of his thoughts while in KIA.


Were these sketchy notes stolen IN THE PRISON or after he ran off to Arnhem?

I believe while he was in prison


I knew that Beth and/or Joe Mammana were blamed for the theft from his apartment, but I didn't know about the notes in KIA.  I wonder what someone would do with his self-pitying and self-serving notes about his incarceration.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 12:53:07 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
PAULUS PICK-UP

8/8/05 - Beth: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot - they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00pm on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish to pick him up. So that is something that - you know, we know that Paulus van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00pm on the 29th. We know that the correct pick up time was 4:00am on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.


THIS WAS OUT THERE AS OF 8/8/05 and I think we just glossed it over.  :shock: I had not noticed it before. I think I recall thinking that by "them" PVS meant "all 3 perps".

He meant Joran and Natalee. And Beth couldn't be more explicit about it, for some reason.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 12:54:20 AM
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 12:57:32 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.
She is such a bit**.! To insinuate that Skeeters died on purpose. She is nuttier than I had even realized.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 12:58:09 AM
The eyelids again. Good night y'all, see you tomorrow evening!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 12:58:49 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.
She is such a bit**.! To insinuate that Skeeters died on purpose. She is nuttier than I had even realized.
Of course she will say that is not what she meant, yeah, then what did she mean?! She needs to get back on that broom!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 12:59:50 AM
Quote from: "sb"
The eyelids again. Good night y'all, see you tomorrow evening!
Goodnight SB, take care!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 01:01:48 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.
She is such a bit**.! To insinuate that Skeeters died on purpose. She is nuttier than I had even realized.

Does she really think people are going to believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys had not spoken with Skeeters yet?  Skeeters always stood behind his tape and the Dr. Phil people do too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 01:03:23 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Quote from: "igsigs"
PAULUS PICK-UP

8/8/05 - Beth: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot - they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00pm on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish to pick him up. So that is something that - you know, we know that Paulus van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00pm on the 29th. We know that the correct pick up time was 4:00am on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.


THIS WAS OUT THERE AS OF 8/8/05 and I think we just glossed it over.  :shock: I had not noticed it before. I think I recall thinking that by "them" PVS meant "all 3 perps".

He meant Joran and Natalee. And Beth couldn't be more explicit about it, for some reason.


All the time I heard about the 4:00 a.m. pick up, I just thought it was Joran.  This quote proves that it was believed to be more than one person.  What if it was Joran and Guido or Freddy?  This baffles me.  Is this 4 a.m. pick up a lie made up to give Joran an alibi or confuse the issue (their main strategy) or did Paulus really pick up Joran, with or without someone else, at 4 a.m.?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.
She is such a bit**.! To insinuate that Skeeters died on purpose. She is nuttier than I had even realized.

Does she really think people are going to believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys had not spoken with Skeeters yet?  Skeeters always stood behind his tape and the Dr. Phil people do too.
I can't wait until this case gets thrown out in the trash where it belongs. Skeeters did stand behind his tapes, yes, and I still beleive him.!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.
She is such a bit**.! To insinuate that Skeeters died on purpose. She is nuttier than I had even realized.
Of course she will say that is not what she meant, yeah, then what did she mean?! She needs to get back on that broom!!


And I would be happy to give her instructions on exactly how to mount it, too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:06:41 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "sb"
Quote from: "igsigs"
PAULUS PICK-UP

8/8/05 - Beth: I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran van der Sloot - they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00pm on the 29th, but he didn't need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish to pick him up. So that is something that - you know, we know that Paulus van der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00pm on the 29th. We know that the correct pick up time was 4:00am on the 30th, and Paul van der Sloot stated that he picked them up.


THIS WAS OUT THERE AS OF 8/8/05 and I think we just glossed it over.  :shock: I had not noticed it before. I think I recall thinking that by "them" PVS meant "all 3 perps".

He meant Joran and Natalee. And Beth couldn't be more explicit about it, for some reason.


All the time I heard about the 4:00 a.m. pick up, I just thought it was Joran.  This quote proves that it was believed to be more than one person.  What if it was Joran and Guido or Freddy?  This baffles me.  Is this 4 a.m. pick up a lie made up to give Joran an alibi or confuse the issue (their main strategy) or did Paulus really pick up Joran, with or without someone else, at 4 a.m.?
The way I understand this, is that the prosecution, has wiretaps with Paulus saying that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am. This is what I thought.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 01:07:49 AM
There are lots of things telling us that there was no 11 p.m. pick up.  Melody's posts about seeing him leaning on a post before midnight, a statement by one of the MB kids to the FBI (which disappeared off a certain hate site) saying that he saw J2K that evening before going to C&C's.  Also, Nadira's first interview with Greta, when she thought her sons were innocent, told how Deepak called Satish and told him that when Satish picked him up from work, they were going to get Joran because he needed a lift.  There was no going home, vacuuming and waiting for Joran to finish his homework.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:10:03 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"

And I would be happy to give her instructions on exactly how to mount it, too!
You know, the ATA and the "task force" must be getting desperate  now, she is starting to spin her web again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 01:12:50 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I can't wait until this case gets thrown out in the trash where it belongs. Skeeters did stand behind his tapes, yes, and I still beleive him.!


I hope it does.  What seems like a piece of cake to us doesn't always work out that way in court though.  It seems to me the mountain of negative publicity about the Kalpoes, their arrest, their re-arrest, and verification of the validity and content of Skeeters tapes would put the case in the trash.  I just hope it works out that way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:13:10 AM
I'm missing something................the witness at 11:00pm would have seen Joran before he even went to C&C's, right? So Joran would have been referring to Deepak and Satish picking him up to go to the bar, right?

So Natalee wouldn't be expected to be with Joran then, and I don't get the connection to why "them" would be Natalee and Joran at 4:00am. It may have been, but I don't see the relationship.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 01:16:33 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
All the time I heard about the 4:00 a.m. pick up, I just thought it was Joran.  This quote proves that it was believed to be more than one person.  What if it was Joran and Guido or Freddy?  This baffles me.  Is this 4 a.m. pick up a lie made up to give Joran an alibi or confuse the issue (their main strategy) or did Paulus really pick up Joran, with or without someone else, at 4 a.m.?
The way I understand this, is that the prosecution, has wiretaps with Paulus saying that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am. This is what I thought.


Doesn't mean he was telling the truth.  He could have been lying because he knew his phone was tapped and wanted to confuse the issue.  For some reason, Joran clearly doesn't want anyone to know how he got home or when.  Sometimes I think Joran is lying to hide something and sometimes I think he's lying because he lies.  I realized at some point that people will lie without a good reason.  I don't understand it, but they do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:22:52 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
All the time I heard about the 4:00 a.m. pick up, I just thought it was Joran.  This quote proves that it was believed to be more than one person.  What if it was Joran and Guido or Freddy?  This baffles me.  Is this 4 a.m. pick up a lie made up to give Joran an alibi or confuse the issue (their main strategy) or did Paulus really pick up Joran, with or without someone else, at 4 a.m.?
The way I understand this, is that the prosecution, has wiretaps with Paulus saying that he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4:00 am. This is what I thought.


Doesn't mean he was telling the truth.  He could have been lying because he knew his phone was tapped and wanted to confuse the issue.  For some reason, Joran clearly doesn't want anyone to know how he got home or when.  Sometimes I think Joran is lying to hide something and sometimes I think he's lying because he lies.  I realized at some point that people will lie without a good reason.  I don't understand it, but they do.
Oh, I know...and the way they all have lied about anything to do with this case makes it even more confusing. And yes, I think Paulus lies a lot too, joran is a chip off of the old block. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 01:26:50 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.

Could Renfro actually be getting dumber? Is that possible?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:29:16 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm missing something................the witness at 11:00pm would have seen Joran before he even went to C&C's, right? So Joran would have been referring to Deepak and Satish picking him up to go to the bar, right?

So Natalee wouldn't be expected to be with Joran then, and I don't get the connection to why "them" would be Natalee and Joran at 4:00am. It may have been, but I don't see the relationship.
Paulus is trying to say he picked Joran up at 11:00, (I didn't think there was a witness to this?) and that Deepak picked Joran back up at the house AFTER Paulus took him home say 11:30ish? and that Joran snuck back outta the house to go to CNC, w/o Paulus knowing..... However, Paulus must have also said at some point that he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4:00. Now, Paulus denies ever saying that he picked anybody up at 4:00. Do I have this right?Anyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:31:19 AM
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:31:40 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.

Could Renfro actually be getting dumber? Is that possible?
LOL! Rereading that, makes me wonder how the hell she knows what Dr. Phil's lawyers think. Does she have an inside scoop to them too?  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 01:33:12 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm missing something................the witness at 11:00pm would have seen Joran before he even went to C&C's, right? So Joran would have been referring to Deepak and Satish picking him up to go to the bar, right?

So Natalee wouldn't be expected to be with Joran then, and I don't get the connection to why "them" would be Natalee and Joran at 4:00am. It may have been, but I don't see the relationship.
Paulus is trying to say he picked Joran up at 11:00, (I didn't think there was a witness to this?) and that Deepak picked Joran back up at the house AFTER Paulus took him home say 11:30ish? and that Joran snuck back outta the house to go to CNC, w/o Paulus knowing..... However, Paulus must have also said at some point that he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4:00. Now, Paulus denies ever saying that he picked anybody up at 4:00. Do I have this right?Anyone?

That all sounds right. You left out the sweating, though. :arrow:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:33:39 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.
Which is the main reason we all feel that Joran is GUILTY. Well, that is why I feel he is, anyways. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:36:30 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm missing something................the witness at 11:00pm would have seen Joran before he even went to C&C's, right? So Joran would have been referring to Deepak and Satish picking him up to go to the bar, right?

So Natalee wouldn't be expected to be with Joran then, and I don't get the connection to why "them" would be Natalee and Joran at 4:00am. It may have been, but I don't see the relationship.
Paulus is trying to say he picked Joran up at 11:00, (I didn't think there was a witness to this?) and that Deepak picked Joran back up at the house AFTER Paulus took him home say 11:30ish? and that Joran snuck back outta the house to go to CNC, w/o Paulus knowing..... However, Paulus must have also said at some point that he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4:00. Now, Paulus denies ever saying that he picked anybody up at 4:00. Do I have this right?Anyone?

That all sounds right. You left out the sweating, though. :arrow:
:smt044  :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 01:38:29 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm missing something................the witness at 11:00pm would have seen Joran before he even went to C&C's, right? So Joran would have been referring to Deepak and Satish picking him up to go to the bar, right?

So Natalee wouldn't be expected to be with Joran then, and I don't get the connection to why "them" would be Natalee and Joran at 4:00am. It may have been, but I don't see the relationship.
Paulus is trying to say he picked Joran up at 11:00, (I didn't think there was a witness to this?) and that Deepak picked Joran back up at the house AFTER Paulus took him home say 11:30ish? and that Joran snuck back outta the house to go to CNC, w/o Paulus knowing..... However, Paulus must have also said at some point that he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4:00. Now, Paulus denies ever saying that he picked anybody up at 4:00. Do I have this right?Anyone?



That is my understanding of what was said, Elaine.  Also we have the statement by Paulus of taking "them" to the HI also that just came to light recently.   :shock: But prior to that, what you posted was the way I read what was said as well.

Not saying I agree that it is true, just that it is what was said.  And remember Paulus saying this was why we were originally told he was arrested.  All that was later shuffled around but that is what was first said.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:38:53 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.
Which is the main reason we all feel that Joran is GUILTY. Well, that is why I feel he is, anyways. IMO


EXACTLY! That's also why we know the shoes are incriminating, etc,etc.
Watching the answers, when they change, when there's elaborate explanation, etc. is very revealing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:40:34 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.
Which is the main reason we all feel that Joran is GUILTY. Well, that is why I feel he is, anyways. IMO
I just feel that there would be no reason to tell all those lies if someone was so innocent. How many versions did Joran give, I lost count. Because he was scared, he says? Yes, I'll bet he was scared. Scared of getting caught in his crime. Scared of getting caught doing something bad to Natalee. Scared of going to jail for a long time. That is all he was scared of, not because Daddy and Mommy would be mad. JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:45:47 AM
Quote from: "Anna"


That is my understanding of what was said, Elaine.  Also we have the statement by Paulus of taking "them" to the HI also that just came to light recently.   :shock: But prior to that, what you posted was the way I read what was said as well.

Not saying I agree that it is true, just that it is what was said.  And remember Paulus saying this was why we were originally told he was arrested.  All that was later shuffled around but that is what was first said.

.
I really am at a loss of what to beleive as far as when he got home or with whom (Joran). But, I will always beleive that Joran did something to Natalee. Unless someone proves me wrong! That is just how I feel, Joran did something bad. And, he wants to get away with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 01:46:55 AM
I think all the different versions are just to obfuscate and confuse in part and also because Joran and Paulus kept refining the story according to the need that arose.

Perhaps Lorenzo is the one who doesn't appreciate being drawn into this.  Maybe he is the one who has asked to be removed from the book because he had nothing to do with it and is not related to the Sloots in any manner whatsoever.

Or the Gottenfros since one of them was reportedly recently in The Netherlands?  Doesn't have to be Guido as I don't think he can ask to be removed since he is listed as a suspect, isn't he?  At least he was questioned for suspicion of heavy battery which is a fact whether he likes it or not.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:49:21 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.
Which is the main reason we all feel that Joran is GUILTY. Well, that is why I feel he is, anyways. IMO


EXACTLY! That's also why we know the shoes are incriminating, etc,etc.
Watching the answers, when they change, when there's elaborate explanation, etc. is very revealing.
It seems to me now that he has his latest story "downpact", that he sound "scripted" when he talks. Like he is reading from an imaginary script in his mind. That is just how I see him lately.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:52:08 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
I think all the different versions are just to obfuscate and confuse in part and also because Joran and Paulus kept refining the story according to the need that arose.

Perhaps Lorenzo is the one who doesn't appreciate being drawn into this.  Maybe he is the one who has asked to be removed from the book because he had nothing to do with it and is not related to the Sloots in any manner whatsoever.

Or the Gottenfros since one of them was reportedly recently in The Netherlands?  Doesn't have to be Guido as I don't think he can ask to be removed since he is listed as a suspect, isn't he?  At least he was questioned for suspicion of heavy battery which is a fact whether he likes it or not.
As far as I know, he is still a suspect. Which makes me wonder, can he be held as suspect status for two years also. If so, then he would remain suspect, after the others are cleared.
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:52:16 AM
My Dad was an Insurance adjuster for many years before he opened an agency, and as such, had testified in court many times. When I found myself required to testify in a case as an adult for the first time, I was nervous just because of the whole setting. He told me something that helped a lot, and it's absolutely true.

He said that if you tell the truth, and tell it straight, no one can shake you. It may come out forward, backward, or through the back door in response to various phrasing of questions, but it will stand scrutiny. He went on to say that liars rarely can talk at length when being questioned with any skill without tripping up in small ways.

He's right. The more Joran talks, in interviews, books, on the internet, whatever..............the inconsistancies just mount up. He's lying, lying, lying. His fear of the truth is far greater than his fear of messing up. He's so arrogant, he believes he's above tripping up when he's actually stumbling around like he's wearing size 28 shoes!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:54:41 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Anna"
I think all the different versions are just to obfuscate and confuse in part and also because Joran and Paulus kept refining the story according to the need that arose.

Perhaps Lorenzo is the one who doesn't appreciate being drawn into this.  Maybe he is the one who has asked to be removed from the book because he had nothing to do with it and is not related to the Sloots in any manner whatsoever.

Or the Gottenfros since one of them was reportedly recently in The Netherlands?  Doesn't have to be Guido as I don't think he can ask to be removed since he is listed as a suspect, isn't he?  At least he was questioned for suspicion of heavy battery which is a fact whether he likes it or not.
As far as I know, he is still a suspect. Which makes me wonder, can he be held as suspect status for two years also. If so, then he would remain suspect, after the others are cleared.
.
somehow I hit that wrong and my reply ended up in the bottom of Anna's post, LOL, sorry!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I know they are all liars, but I've always thought that the path to truth in this case is marked by the lies that were told. Anytime a lie can be identified, I really believe it's for a reason: contrived to draw attention from the truth. The junctures where they occur are important, IMO.
Which is the main reason we all feel that Joran is GUILTY. Well, that is why I feel he is, anyways. IMO
I just feel that there would be no reason to tell all those lies if someone was so innocent. How many versions did Joran give, I lost count. Because he was scared, he says? Yes, I'll bet he was scared. Scared of getting caught in his crime. Scared of getting caught doing something bad to Natalee. Scared of going to jail for a long time. That is all he was scared of, not because Daddy and Mommy would be mad. JMHO


Scared enough to lie to the face of police when they show up at your house and scared enough to point an accusing finger at 2 security guards, and scared enough to face down Natalee's parents with lies. The truth must have been really scary.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 01:56:28 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
My Dad was an Insurance adjuster for many years before he opened an agency, and as such, had testified in court many times. When I found myself required to testify in a case as an adult for the first time, I was nervous just because of the whole setting. He told me something that helped a lot, and it's absolutely true.

He said that if you tell the truth, and tell it straight, no one can shake you. It may come out forward, backward, or through the back door in response to various phrasing of questions, but it will stand scrutiny. He went on to say that liars rarely can talk at length when being questioned with any skill without tripping up in small ways.

He's right. The more Joran talks, in interviews, books, on the internet, whatever..............the inconsistancies just mount up. He's lying, lying, lying. His fear of the truth is far greater than his fear of messing up. He's so arrogant, he believes he's above tripping up when he's actually stumbling around like he's wearing size 28 shoes!
And yet people buy his BS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 02:00:28 AM
I don't have ANY explanation for why there are those who believe Joran. I understand folks in Aruba WANTING to believe him, but I don't know how they can if they've followed the case enough to know the facts. Of course, Greta baffles me there, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 02:02:49 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"

Scared enough to lie to the face of police when they show up at your house and scared enough to point an accusing finger at 2 security guards, and scared enough to face down Natalee's parents with lies. The truth must have been really scary.
And yet to pound on his chest like he did to Beth, when she said "I want my daughter." He ponded his chest, and said sarcastically "What do you want me to do about that."  He can be glad that wasn't me over there. I would've lost it. I think Beth handled herself quite well, by not smacking him upside his head.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Of course she will say that is not what she meant, yeah, then what did she mean?! She needs to get back on that broom!!


And I would be happy to give her instructions on exactly how to mount it, too!

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 02:03:02 AM
I'm experiencing heavy lid syndrome!  :lol:

I'm going to leave this for Cat, and wish everyone a goodbight and God Bless!


Cat: would terrified chickens do for your Easter Outfit??   :lol:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/catchk.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 02:04:10 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm experiencing heavy lid syndrome!  :lol:

I'm going to leave this for Cat, and wish everyone a goodbight and God Bless!


Cat: would terrified chickens do for your Easter Outfit??   :lol:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/catchk.gif)



nighty cbb


good sleepin!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 02:05:52 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Perhaps Lorenzo is the one who doesn't appreciate being drawn into this....


Hmmm...there's a thought. Mr. Recluse is a good candidate.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 02:05:54 AM
I guess I'd better go to retire here for a while. I get so upset over the fact that Natalee's parents have no closure. It just isn't fair. Goodnight Monkeys. Pray for Justice!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 07:59:15 AM
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/aa-lgflag.gif)


KICK 'EM WHEN THEY'RE UP...

KICK 'EM WHEN THEY'RE DOWN...

KICK 'EM WHEN THEY'RE STIFF...


KICK 'EM ALL AROUND.

.....

-Don Henley "Dirty Laundry"


JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
boycott


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 30, 2007, 08:06:57 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 30, 2007, 08:10:10 AM
Good morning.

"People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing."

-Dr. Phil-


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 08:26:37 AM
GOOD MORNIN'!


(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/natyearbook.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 08:44:15 AM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/GGHG.png)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 30, 2007, 09:22:29 AM
Interesting, the store owner that chased the choller is an American.

The American consulate general in Curacao asked the police and the public prosecutor for information on Michael Saladin’s situation.  This is standard procedure for the consulate, because Saladin is American citizen. Vice-consul Bill Furnish indicated that the consulate always make inquiries when something happens to an American citizen abroad.  They do that so they can answer possible questions of family in the US.  Due to the American privacy-act, he is not allowed to discuss details with the media.   He did say though that he is very pleased with the cooperation of the police and public prosecutor here in Aruba.  He has not yet contacted Saladin directly

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Thanks for papers, Leslie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 09:22:45 AM
Elaine got me got my mind going last night.
I swear, this board has already sniffed out a lot of the inconsistancies, but the "lie juncture" map just keeps getting bigger and bigger, and it drives me nuts that nobody has been held accountable for it.

"Dad's never gambled at a casino before that night" :smt011

The HI story :smt011

The "stopped by Joran's but didn't go in" story :smt011

"Deepak, no, Satish picked me up" story :smt011

Paulus picked them up at 4:00am, no, 11:00pm :smt011

"I left my size 14 shoes on the beach :smt011, no, I wear a size 11" :smt011 and am not missing a single or a pair of shoes :smt011

Natalee was begging for sex, thought K2 were slaves, and her Mother was Hitler's sister :smt011

Joran and Deepak are out again at 2-3am gambling :smt011 when Beth and the police arrive and Paulus doesn't know it :smt011

"I went to school the next morning" :smt011


Ohhhhhhh, it just goes on and on and on. How can anyone believe they are innocent?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 09:40:28 AM
Some of these lies are provable........even now. Even they had to give up on the HI story and now nobody disputes the lie. There are others that have never been pursued and well established.

Joran's attendance at school either did or did not happen and that fact should either support or deny his story. That can be established outside of J2K, yet it's still debated. That should be even "Greta-proof"

Somebody please measure his stinky foot and then line up the size with his declarations! It is or it isn't a size 14. The results are reliable because that doesn't require him to open his mouth!

Obtain the casino security videoes of the man's entrance and exit that sat next to Natalee. Then go get the Wyndham's video's of Joran and Deepak's presence when Beth and the police were looking for them. If they aren't on it, they were'nt there!

Even their staunchest supporters would have to ask why they are lying!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 09:43:42 AM
The scared chickies are great,CBB.I am glad John is doing better.I know what a busted kneecap is like,not fun.Carpe,you bumper sticker of the day is so true,I am sure you are related to Forrest Gump.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 30, 2007, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
The scared chickies are great,CBB.I am glad John is doing better.I know what a busted kneecap is like,not fun.Carpe,you bumper sticker of the day is so true,I am sure you are related to Forrest Gump.CAT


Morning, Cat! Glad you like it!  :wink:
It was hard finding scared, trapped Chickens dressed up for Easter!  :lol:

But for you............hey, whatever it takes!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 10:36:20 AM
O/T - FDA TESTING FINDS CHEMICAL USED TO MAKE PLASTICS IN RECALLED PET FOOD LINKED TO DOG AND CAT DEATHS

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 10:40:06 AM
First,I want to thank all,including,but not limited to CBB<Elaine,Carpe<SB,Mishy,Mrs.RED and everyone else.The broom mounting for Julia is called impalement,not a bad idea.jvds has been pushing people under the bus for 2 years.When you are the last seen with NAH,you hit her with a closed fist after a sexual assault,when you have a history of violence,and yes after all this,you expect us to drop it and believe you,forget about it.  And Julia,there are treatment places in Antigua that can help with wet brain and delusions.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 10:42:47 AM
Oh I forgot the lies.Klass,would you put the Easter Avatar by me,it is great and a true picture of me,the cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:46:01 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
Oh I forgot the lies.Klass,would you put the Easter Avatar by me,it is great and a true picture of me,the cat

The latest one with the scared chickens?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 10:56:44 AM
Police: Teens Used Mobile Phone to Film Rape of 12-Year-Old Girl

Friday, March 30, 2007

VIENNA, Austria —

Three teenage boys took turns raping a 12-year-old girl, filmed the assault with a mobile phone camera and showed the video to classmates, Austrian authorities said Friday.

Police said the rape happened after a birthday party in Freistadt in the province of Upper Austria, and that the girl was assaulted after she became intoxicated and fell asleep. It was not immediately clear when the crime occurred.

Investigators detained the three boys, ages 13, 15, and 16, after they showed a clip of the rape to classmates at school and a student who saw it alerted authorities, police said.

The two older suspects would be formally charged in juvenile court with sexual abuse, officials said. They said the youngest could not be held criminally responsible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262647,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: "San"
Police: Teens Used Mobile Phone to Film Rape of 12-Year-Old Girl

Friday, March 30, 2007

VIENNA, Austria —

Three teenage boys took turns raping a 12-year-old girl, filmed the assault with a mobile phone camera and showed the video to classmates, Austrian authorities said Friday.

Police said the rape happened after a birthday party in Freistadt in the province of Upper Austria, and that the girl was assaulted after she became intoxicated and fell asleep. It was not immediately clear when the crime occurred.

Investigators detained the three boys, ages 13, 15, and 16, after they showed a clip of the rape to classmates at school and a student who saw it alerted authorities, police said.

The two older suspects would be formally charged in juvenile court with sexual abuse, officials said. They said the youngest could not be held criminally responsible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262647,00.html

Now where is Sander's phone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:04:43 AM
San...
that is so sick..it makes me sick.  I am so glad I do not have kids.
no place is safe....nobody is safe

as it is i am about to sign up for the service that lets u look up cell numbers to find the persons real name....just to weed out the wackos that call for massages.....suddenly my "radar" started going off..... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:06:46 AM
Klass-----any reccommendations on the best one?  i saw intellius(?)  its like $14....membership fee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 11:10:51 AM
FOM,how can those nice pervs harrash people,oh well.Yes,Klass the latest picture.Have you ever noticed a corelation between girls getting drunk and some perv's doing things they shouldn't.That is so SICK.I am sure they will hire Joe and say she asked for it.Her life is ruined and they will get a ruler slap on the wrist.Cbb,great job as usual.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Klass-----any reccommendations on the best one?  i saw intellius(?)  its like $14....membership fee

Nope, I don't know anything about them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Police: Teens Used Mobile Phone to Film Rape of 12-Year-Old Girl

Friday, March 30, 2007

VIENNA, Austria —

Three teenage boys took turns raping a 12-year-old girl, filmed the assault with a mobile phone camera and showed the video to classmates, Austrian authorities said Friday.

Police said the rape happened after a birthday party in Freistadt in the province of Upper Austria, and that the girl was assaulted after she became intoxicated and fell asleep. It was not immediately clear when the crime occurred.

Investigators detained the three boys, ages 13, 15, and 16, after they showed a clip of the rape to classmates at school and a student who saw it alerted authorities, police said.

The two older suspects would be formally charged in juvenile court with sexual abuse, officials said. They said the youngest could not be held criminally responsible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262647,00.html

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Police: Teens Used Mobile Phone to Film Rape of 12-Year-Old Girl

Friday, March 30, 2007

VIENNA, Austria —

Three teenage boys took turns raping a 12-year-old girl, filmed the assault with a mobile phone camera and showed the video to classmates, Austrian authorities said Friday.

Police said the rape happened after a birthday party in Freistadt in the province of Upper Austria, and that the girl was assaulted after she became intoxicated and fell asleep. It was not immediately clear when the crime occurred.

Investigators detained the three boys, ages 13, 15, and 16, after they showed a clip of the rape to classmates at school and a student who saw it alerted authorities, police said.

The two older suspects would be formally charged in juvenile court with sexual abuse, officials said. They said the youngest could not be held criminally responsible.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262647,00.html

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


or he gave it to someone for safekeeping.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:16:38 AM
CAT.....u look like u have your paws full....lol

I trust the voices in my head......but enjoy having them confirmed for my own sanityand then giving the a-hole tryin to mess with me large order of " up your a$$)   I am going to start taking gun classes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 30, 2007, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


or he gave it to someone for safekeeping.[/quote]


It's in that black hole the Arubans call the evidence bin. Evidence goes in and is mysteriously transported to another universe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


or he gave it to someone for safekeeping.



It's in that black hole the Arubans call the evidence bin. Evidence goes in and is mysteriously transported to another universe.[/quote]
I wish they would put Joran in that black hole.  No one would miss that waste of life anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on March 30, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
If you are going to stand up for Natalee at other venues,
here are a few general suggestions:

1) Have a permit and apply early. Richard can advise you on this step.

2) Have one big professionally made sign that draws attention and gives focus. Play it safe with the message.
(such as Justice for Natalee). You can always make your own signs later and add other messages.
Our sign didn't cost a lot and it wasn't too heavy. When you get the permit, ask how large the sign can be.

3) Put Natalee's photo on your sign. The sign maker could not or would not do this--so we just taped on the photo. Many people remembered
Natalee from her picture.

4) Have informational handouts or flyers.

5) Talk to people.

6) Wear Natalee shirts--especially with her image.

7) Make it clear that you are a volunteer.

8) Give out stickers, buttons, magnets, or something of that nature.
We didn't have a lot of money for that but did manage to give away a few
little things.

These are just suggestions. of course. And if you can send buttons or stickers or help someone going, please do so and get the stuff to them early. We can all help each other and Natalee in some way. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 30, 2007, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


It's in that black hole the Arubans call the evidence bin. Evidence goes in and is mysteriously transported to another universe.


I wish they would put Joran in that black hole.  No one would miss that waste of life anyway.



From the way it sounds, San, a bunch on the island would like to transport him and the goonfather as far away from Aruba as possible, including the sweatman's vastly eroded base of judge buddies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on March 30, 2007, 11:32:48 AM
And the most important thing is:

8) OBEY THE LAW.

 :)


Also, when you apply for the permit,
you might want to call it an
 awareness campaign or distribution of
informational/educational leaflets--something of that nature.

Again, Richard is the one to ask about the permit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
If you are going to stand up for Natalee at other venues,
here are a few general suggestions:

1) Have a permit and apply early. Richard can advise you on this step.

2) Have one big professionally made sign that draws attention and gives focus. Play it safe with the message.
(such as Justice for Natalee). You can always make your own signs later and add other messages.
Our sign didn't cost a lot and it wasn't too heavy. When you get the permit, ask how large the sign can be.

3) Put Natalee's photo on your sign. The sign maker could not or would not do this--so we just taped on the photo. Many people remembered
Natalee from her picture.

4) Have informational handouts or flyers.

5) Talk to people.

6) Wear Natalee shirts--especially with her image.

7) Make it clear that you are a volunteer.

8) Give out stickers, buttons, magnets, or something of that nature.
We didn't have a lot of money for that but did manage to give away a few
little things.

These are just suggestions. of course. And if you can send buttons or stickers or help someone going, please do so and get the stuff to them early. We can all help each other and Natalee in some way. :D

Thanks these are great tips.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:36:02 AM
Justicefornatalee - thanks for your tips.  I've posted them in our thread for Tourism Show notices!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:36:07 AM
Justice----u did great!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Justicefornatalee - thanks for your tips.  I've posted them in our thread for Tourism Show notices!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003


Klass-----luv your little chickie.   I have been researching sites for info from phone #'s.  most u pay per use ($15 for phone....$49 for a single background/criminal check).......)  do u know of any alternatives?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:39:03 AM
Maybe for the next trade show we can enlarge this photo and pass it out  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/OneHappyChollerIsland2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Justicefornatalee - thanks for your tips.  I've posted them in our thread for Tourism Show notices!

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003


Klass-----luv your little chickie.   I have been researching sites for info from phone #'s.  most u pay per use ($15 for phone....$49 for a single background/criminal check).......)  do u know of any alternatives?


FOM - sorry but I don't know anything about those sites but I'm sure someone here will.  I'll watch for any responses to your question and make sure to let you know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 11:44:02 AM
Klass.....thanks.....i think the sick to my stomache feeling is good to go on...for now....FOM with a bikini a beer and a gun.....nice


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on March 30, 2007, 11:47:32 AM
Klaas--Can you transfer over suggestion #8 also.

It's pretty important: OBEY THE LAW. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas--Can you transfer over suggestion #8 also.

It's pretty important: OBEY THE LAW. :D


Sure, will do!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 30, 2007, 12:01:21 PM
Have a good day monkeys.  Thanks Klass.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 30, 2007, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Maybe for the next trade show we can enlarge this photo and pass it out  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/OneHappyChollerIsland2.jpg)


heck I'd like to see this go up on a couple of billboards  :lol:  :lol:

it's tragic but interesting to see NCState's basketball coach's son arrested for felony assault and a host of other charges this week, for not once has the father cried foul or asked for special privileges - all he's done is cooperate fully with the investigation. Unlike the black hole Paulus has engineered and I do still feel he had the goods on so many that it allowed him to do this.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 12:18:18 PM
FREDDIE AND HIS CAMERA

THE DECATUR DAILY
August 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
JusticeforNatalee

Thanks again to all of you who made a stand for what was right ... for being a voice for Natalee Holloway.

Thank you for all the info ... info that can empower others to do the same.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
FREDDIE AND HIS CAMERA

THE DECATUR DAILY
August 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case

Wonder how many times Freddy and his camera were used?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on March 30, 2007, 12:44:04 PM
Janet,

It was a labor of love and we were happy to do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 12:44:25 PM
FOM,learn how to use a pistol and use shotshells,imo.More fun,or a shotgun,better for up close and personal use.My mistress had a dream on the lunesta drug and gave me a haircut with a weedeater.I am partialy shaved,so to speak.San could tell what you need,but in my head,the voices say jvds guilty.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Janet,

It was a labor of love and we were happy to do it.


I know JusticeforNatalee and ... that is why I am so proud of all of you.

 :)

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
FOM,learn how to use a pistol and use shotshells,imo.More fun,or a shotgun,better for up close and personal use.My mistress had a dream on the lunesta drug and gave me a haircut with a weedeater.I am partialy shaved,so to speak.San could tell what you need,but in my head,the voices say jvds guilty.cat


and when you get more experienced
you can get a .44 mag


like me


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 02:43:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
FREDDIE AND HIS CAMERA

THE DECATUR DAILY
August 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case

Wonder how many times Freddy and his camera were used?



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Holidays/easter1.gif)

This is the big secret that the cover up is all about--how prevalent this practice had become, who was involved per Diario article on elders and underaged girls and also security cameras compliments of the Beach Patrol via GVC could have also been used in the hotel rooms.  Or it might only be the fact that so many know of the practice but I do believe this is what the cover up is protecting-the fact that this was a wide spread and frequent happening with the tourist girls on their last night in Aruba.

It's the only thing I can think of that is bad enough that they would risk tourism and their national economy to keep under wraps.  And if it ever sees the light of day, they know that they can pretty well kiss tourism goodbye just about forever not to mention the possibility of jail time for many in high positions who just might be involved.

This deal with cell phones, cameras, etc, has just become all too common, globally, too.  Anything and everything is fair game and the more outrageous, the better!  What an abuse of what should be a legitimate service!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
FREDDIE AND HIS CAMERA

THE DECATUR DAILY
August 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case

Wonder how many times Freddy and his camera were used?

I would say Freddy did it a lot of times Klaas.  This jackass is 21 years old and is probably Joran's mentor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Cat"
FOM,learn how to use a pistol and use shotshells,imo.More fun,or a shotgun,better for up close and personal use.My mistress had a dream on the lunesta drug and gave me a haircut with a weedeater.I am partialy shaved,so to speak.San could tell what you need,but in my head,the voices say jvds guilty.cat


and when you get more experienced
you can get a .44 mag

like me

 8)


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 02:49:26 PM
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 02:53:08 PM
there was a guy down the road from me me a few miles that had a very large sign, i would say it was like 4 feet by 8 feet that said something like
"if the DOG doesnt get you, the OWNER will"..... and it had a picture of a HAND GUN painted on the sign...

my guess is... HE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with BURGLARS

the first time i saw the sign... even i was like ""  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: "

he had it up for years... and i think everyone in the area knew about it
and for whatever reason ... he took it down

but it sure was funny  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 02:54:05 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:


yep... sounds like you figggggggured it out  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: "robots"
there was a guy down the road from me me a few miles that had a very large sign, i would say it was like 4 feet by 8 feet that said something like
"if the DOG doesnt get you, the OWNER will"..... and it had a picture of a HAND GUN painted on the sign...

my guess is... HE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with BURGLARS

the first time i saw the sign... even i was like ""  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: "

he had it up for years... and i think everyone in the area knew about it
and for whatever reason ... he took it down

but it sure was funny  8)


concealed weapons permits are a BEAUTIFUL THING  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on March 30, 2007, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:


I have always thought it may very well be a "rite of passage" type thing.  I believe the elders were involved, and stuff like this has been going on long before Joran and others.  Something like this would damage the islands tourism, as well as the fact that the ALE have been turning their backs to it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:

Anna this is where they would bring out Joran's mental problems and say he is lying.  He is a psycho and has anger management problems.  This is where all of a sudden they find Natalee's body and say Joran did it.  No way Joran can prove this without evidence.  Aruba would have locked him up and thrown away the key and then he would be found dead in jail.  I just feel that Paulus isn't that powerful to take on the government.  Rudy Croes would put and end to it all and so would Oduber.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: "Anna"


This is the big secret that the cover up is all about--how prevalent this practice had become, who was involved per Diario article on elders and underaged girls and also security cameras compliments of the Beach Patrol via GVC could have also been used in the hotel rooms.  Or it might only be the fact that so many know of the practice but I do believe this is what the cover up is protecting-the fact that this was a wide spread and frequent happening with the tourist girls on their last night in Aruba.

It's the only thing I can think of that is bad enough that they would risk tourism and their national economy to keep under wraps.  And if it ever sees the light of day, they know that they can pretty well kiss tourism goodbye just about forever not to mention the possibility of jail time for many in high positions who just might be involved.

This deal with cell phones, cameras, etc, has just become all too common, globally, too.  Anything and everything is fair game and the more outrageous, the better!  What an abuse of what should be a legitimate service!

.


Anna, I suspect if the "powers that be" in Aruba had anticipated the power of one amazing woman by the name of Beth Twitty ... Joran, Paulus and whoever else participated in the events of that fateful morning when  Nataee Holloway went missing would have be held accountable ... a slap on the wrist maybe but ... held accountable nevertheless.  The family would have been afforded a measure of closure ... Beth and Dave would have been able to bring their little girl home.

Anna, it is my contention that by the time the "powers that be" realized that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruban soil was not going to fade from media attention ... it was too late to turn back.  Too late to turn back because those who participated in the coverup on behalf of their friend/collegue and his son would also have to be held accountable for the corruption within the Aruban Law Enforcement.

I contend that the controversy encompassing the Natalee Holloway case is not about an American citizen going missing on Aruban soil under suspicious circumstances ... crime happens everywhere.  I believe that it is all about the perception of a corrupt investigation that is denying an American citizen justice.

Janet


Dave Holloway
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html
April 11, 2006
HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
August 11, 2005
TWITTY: ... when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 30, 2007, 03:25:02 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:



Bravo on your two last posts, Anna. Something has always been so horrendous about this case that it required covering up far more than a worthless two-bit Dutch punk and his failure of a father.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 03:43:36 PM
Well, we all have our theories.   :D

I believe Paulus had spent years collecting favors owed and assisting those with things to hide like Ben Vocking so that he was in a position to protect his devil spawn from being totally eliminated or even used as scapegoat.

There were the 400 illegal visas issued that may connect to Rudy Croes for example and his sex slaves/exotic dancers/whatevers.  

But it does all boil down to layer upon layer of corruption, collusion and cover up.  And the bad part is after a year, we learn there are no anti-corruption laws in place in Aruba, at least not as regards payback or ALE.

How convenient!

So perhaps the motives do not matter so much as the fact that it did happen and on that we are all in agreement.

I would still like to see someone held accountable.  If there exists any law, regulation or policy (I love that last one--policy--that's why everything had to be so hush hush we were told) in place anywhere that could be used to prosecute those who failed to perform their duties, then I want them punished to the fullest extent of that law.

Until there is some movement in this direction, I'd say Aruba deserves the boycott and all that happens as a result.  We see they can demonstrate if they really want to do so but so far, the urge has not hit them to do so on behalf of this missing child.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 03:52:18 PM
Didn't Beth or someone leave film to be developed at the Internet Cafe?  I assume they offer this service?  And that it is something they contract out to a large developer?

They don't have their own development equipment?  Anyone know?

Yes, Freddie could have been a mentor for Joran and Freddie's older sleazy brother a mentor for Freddie.

Paulus is alleged to have made the mystery quick trip to Miami in the middle of all this.  We have speculated it could have been to retrieve some sort of photo or video evidence.  I wonder if he made contact with that John Charles Croes while there as well or if the trip was to tie up that end of the story.

Just a thought I had that I have not had before with JCC being in Miami and Paulus going there.  Probably no connection but over all this time, we have thought of every possible angle.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
[

Bravo on your two last posts, Anna. Something has always been so horrendous about this case that it required covering up far more than a worthless two-bit Dutch punk and his failure of a father.



Well, how are you, Dayhiker?   :D

Thank you for your kind words.  I have considered everything I can think of and nothing rises to the level of some wide-spread problem with this happening routinely and over a long period of time, involving those at all levels.

But we do seem, as a group, to slowly evolve over time.  For example, it is now OK to consider the rock painting as staged.   :D And several now also consider Lorenzo as a non-issue in Natalee's disappearance.

So now I wonder if anything more is going to be done before the time runs out for these suspects.  It seems unlikely and the epicenter seems to have shifted to the cases in California.

Not sure what this is about with Joran's book but suspect the usual suspects trying to out-do each other?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 30, 2007, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't Beth or someone leave film to be developed at the Internet Cafe?  I assume they offer this service?  And that it is something they contract out to a large developer?

They don't have their own development equipment?  Anyone know?

Yes, Freddie could have been a mentor for Joran and Freddie's older sleazy brother a mentor for Freddie.

Paulus is alleged to have made the mystery quick trip to Miami in the middle of all this.  We have speculated it could have been to retrieve some sort of photo or video evidence.  I wonder if he made contact with that John Charles Croes while there as well or if the trip was to tie up that end of the story.

Just a thought I had that I have not had before with JCC being in Miami and Paulus going there.  Probably no connection but over all this time, we have thought of every possible angle.

.

I do not and will not rule out Ernesto.  He is one person who went underground since this all happened and we have not heard a peep from him.

What I don't understand is how the U.S. let Paulus into this country when they clearly knew he was involved in what happened.  I hope someone was monitoring his actions when he came to the U.S.  I'm sure we are allowed to listen to any conversations he might have had being that he was in our own country.  Hummm makes me wonder how quickly they could listen to him and find out what transpired (wiretaps).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 30, 2007, 05:12:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
[

Bravo on your two last posts, Anna. Something has always been so horrendous about this case that it required covering up far more than a worthless two-bit Dutch punk and his failure of a father.



Well, how are you, Dayhiker?   :D

Thank you for your kind words.  I have considered everything I can think of and nothing rises to the level of some wide-spread problem with this happening routinely and over a long period of time, involving those at all levels.

But we do seem, as a group, to slowly evolve over time.  For example, it is now OK to consider the rock painting as staged.   :D And several now also consider Lorenzo as a non-issue in Natalee's disappearance.

So now I wonder if anything more is going to be done before the time runs out for these suspects.  It seems unlikely and the epicenter seems to have shifted to the cases in California.

Not sure what this is about with Joran's book but suspect the usual suspects trying to out-do each other?

.



Doing good, Anna, thanks. We are just shy of 60 days out for the two-year mark and can add about 10 days to that before they have to release the pimps from suspect status or haul them in to serve justice. We will see whether anything they have done in Aruba and Holland have amounted anything. At least they will have to show their hand.

Things have evolved but we still know three people were last seen with her and one of them tells a mountain of lies. The three still have differing stories about what happened that night and if the Dutch and Arubans haven't figured out that stinks to high heaven they deserve to be boycotted and publicly chastised for their corruption and inaction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on March 30, 2007, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't Beth or someone leave film to be developed at the Internet Cafe?  I assume they offer this service?  And that it is something they contract out to a large developer?

They don't have their own development equipment?  Anyone know?

.


Anna, as I remember it---at the time that Beth went in to talk to Satish, she took a roll of film, and was waiting for it to be processed, and engaged Satish in the conversation/ or lack of conversation on his part while she waited.  I think if she hadn't been a customer waiting for her film they would have asked her to leave.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Anna"
Didn't Beth or someone leave film to be developed at the Internet Cafe?  I assume they offer this service?  And that it is something they contract out to a large developer?

They don't have their own development equipment?  Anyone know?

.


Anna, as I remember it---at the time that Beth went in to talk to Satish, she took a roll of film, and was waiting for it to be processed, and engaged Satish in the conversation/ or lack of conversation on his part while she waited.  I think if she hadn't been a customer waiting for her film they would have asked her to leave.


You mean Deepak  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: LilPuma on March 30, 2007, 05:42:27 PM
Good afternoon, Monkeys.  Before I read anything current, I'm here to report that my AOL home page shows a bunch of places to go on spring holiday.  Hawaii, Cape Cod, Turks & Caicos, St. Barts, LaPaz and other places were mentioned.  Not a word on Aruba, but they did recommend this:  

Gulf Shores, Alabama
Looking for an affordable vacation focused on the great outdoors? Consider Gulf Shores, Alabama. Hardly anyone knows about them yet, but the 11 luxury cabins built by the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources in Gulf Shores -- right along the Gulf of Mexico -- make an ideal location for a group getaway this Spring. Just built last year, each cabin has three bedrooms, three bathrooms, two screened porches and a deck that overlooks Lake Shelby. Each also has a fishing pier, so bring your rods.

Those who want to hit the beach will enjoy the brand new beach pavilion built nearby Gulf State Park. The park also offers an 18-hole championship golf course and nature trails. A trip to Gulf Shores also offers numerous bird watching and fishing opportunities; in fact, each luxury cabin has its own fishing pier on Lake Shelby. So pack your rods! Prices start at $150 per cabin per night. Winter rates still apply though May 25. For more information, visit Ala Park.

Find Hotel Deals in Alabama

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 05:47:33 PM
I like Gulf Shores,many birds and fish,pretty sand.I have many questions and but one answer,joran is guilty.CAT   I would say more about Gulf Shores,but it very personal


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I like Gulf Shores,many birds and fish,pretty sand.I have many questions and but one answer,joran is guilty.CAT   I would say more about Gulf Shores,but it very personal


BOOOOOO !!!!

im skerrrrrry :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
BETH CONFRONTS DEEPAK AT WORKPLACE


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 9, 2005

GRACE: What made you decide to go and question him yourself?

TWITTY: Just desperate for answers. I feel as if -- you know, we have this reward money, you know, ready to be utilized, the $250,000 for her whereabouts, the million dollars for her safe return. I can just only hope that I`m trying to reach everyone. And I felt Deepak would be a great person for me to make contact with.

I`ve never spoken with him. And I just was giving him every opportunity to answer me and to clear his name. And, you know, I can`t imagine being able to -- have been in the position he was in to stand face- to-face with me, Natalee`s mother, and to at least to attempt to deny -- you know, I`m just shocked that he would not have taken advantage of that opportunity. I guess he cannot deny anything.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
August 12, 2005

TWITTY:  ...  And one of the things I did was go into the Internet cafe, just one last shot at seeing if he would present himself in front of me and even deny any involvement.  And he can‘t even do that.


Title: Fire
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 06:22:44 PM
Klaas,

Fire

Is the smoke bothering you?  It is over where I live only because when it gets up to about 2000 feet it is traveling ssw even tho I am about 15 miles from it.

I had to go to the computer store... and need to go back.. computer going in for HD repair AGAIN!

so am home backing it up TV said we have only had 2 1/2 inches of rain for our season when we are supposed to have had 13 inches about this time.

will check back to see if you are OK

Love, IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU - she is so FOS :twisted:

Dr. Phil's lawyers still don't know that the tape was manipulated. They still believe that the tapes were "edited" for the show. Skeeters dies the day before he was to meet with the lawyers.



Yep!

FOS as a Christmas Goose, bro bro...


NO BOUTS A DOUBT IT!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 06:25:13 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


or he gave it to someone for safekeeping.



It's in that black hole the Arubans call the evidence bin. Evidence goes in and is mysteriously transported to another universe.[/quote]


Kinda like one of those ROACH MOTELS...


It gets in, but it DON'T GET OUT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
FREDDIE AND HIS CAMERA

THE DECATUR DAILY
August 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.


Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case





FREDDIE Z AND HIS CAMERA


That is like that Kiddie Record


Peter Ponsil & His Tonsil?


Title: Re: Fire
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 06:41:34 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas,

Fire

Is the smoke bothering you?  It is over where I live only because when it gets up to about 2000 feet it is traveling ssw even tho I am about 15 miles from it.

I had to go to the computer store... and need to go back.. computer going in for HD repair AGAIN!

so am home backing it up TV said we have only had 2 1/2 inches of rain for our season when we are supposed to have had 13 inches about this time.

will check back to see if you are OK

Love, IBE


Hi IBE - it's not near me at all.  I'm way south of it.  I do worry about Louise though, I know she's somewhere in that area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2007, 06:45:45 PM
BETH TWITTY CONFRONTS DEEPAK AT HIS WORKPLACE


Beth Twitty
CBS NEWS
August 9, 2005

(CBS) Beth Holloway Twitty went face-to-face Monday with a man who'd been detained briefly in the disappearance of daughter Natalee Holloway in Aruba, and challenged him to tell what he knows about the case.

In telling of the tense encounter, she asserted Natalee was sexually assaulted before she vanished.

Twitty says she was tipped by a member of the media that Deepak Kalpoe was working at a local Internet café, and wasted no time confronting him Monday.

<snipped>

Twitty described her close-up with Deepak to CBS News:

"There were customers on the computer and he was seated behind the cash register, and I guess he thought he was going to have a normal day at work.

"I wanted to ask him, Joran had admitted sexual assaults that he had committed against Natalee, and I wanted to ask Deepak: Did he participate, or did he try to help her?

"He couldn't answer me. He could only look down at the ground."

"(I told him) you've got an opportunity. I'm Natalee's mother. I'm standing right here before you. You need to tell me.

"I saw his eyelids pretty much the whole time that I was there, and I would have to tell him to hold your head up and look at me when I'm speaking with you.

"He couldn't do that. He would either not respond or he would just tell me that his lawyer had advised him not to speak with me.

"I expected him, if he had no involvement, if he was not a participant in the sexual acts committed against my daughter, that yes, he could have come forward and said, 'No,' and looked me in the eye. He couldn't do that.

"I let him know, under no circumstances, that there is nothing that I'm going to refrain from asking, and I'm going to ask every question, and I'm going to stop at nothing, and I will continue to.

"And he said, 'The media hasn't seen this side of you.' And I said, I've been saving it for you, Deepak.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 06:46:57 PM
Good Morning, Monkeys.

Cat I like your new avatar.  Are you going to catch those chickens to bring with you on the voyage?

It is interesting to see that the Arubans can stir themselves to put up a sort of protest.  It looks paltry compared to the 100 poor people in India who planned to WALK 500 miles to support families of missing children (Posted by bb on Crimes against children pages) which shows the Indians have an empathy with grieving families.  Much better than the attitude of the Arubans with their "Pull the ladder up, Jack. I'm O.K" outlook on everything.

Klaas sent you an email overnight.  Not sure if you had seen anything about this before and exactly if or where it should be posted.  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 06:53:03 PM
Tibro - I'll take a look at my hotmail, hold on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
Thanks Klaas - swinging over to the lounge to post it.  Monsters :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Thanks Klaas - swinging over to the lounge to post it.  Monsters :evil:  :evil:


Yep

What Tibro is posting is a true story about a person who was drugged and raped.  She's going to post it in the Monkey Lounge.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on March 30, 2007, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"

Now where is Sander's phone?

The ALE took it.


or he gave it to someone for safekeeping.



It's in that black hole the Arubans call the evidence bin. Evidence goes in and is mysteriously transported to another universe.



Kinda like one of those ROACH MOTELS...

It gets in, but it DON'T GET OUT![/quote]


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Roaches! Very appropriate for them, Carpe!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Thanks Klaas - swinging over to the lounge to post it.  Monsters :evil:  :evil:


Yep

What Tibro is posting is a true story about a person who was drugged and raped.  She's going to post it in the Monkey Lounge.


Yes Klaas - it is a story we read about happening much too often, but the inclusion of Progesterex is not something I had heard about before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 07:36:12 PM
:twisted:


Sueeeeeeeeeeyyyyyy

Baby, Now that's

HOT

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/nitrbuggy.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
O/T

I just posted updates in the Monkey Lounge on the first DRY pet food being recalled.  It's one of the Hill's Science Diet Prescription Diets.

This expansion into dry food is very troubling.  And the FDA is saying plastic instead of rat poison.  How are vets to know how to treat any sick animals with conflicting reports like this!   :evil:

Anyone know where a total of pets effected might be being kept?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T

I just posted updates in the Monkey Lounge on the first DRY pet food being recalled.  It's one of the Hill's Science Diet Prescription Diets.

This expansion into dry food is very troubling.  And the FDA is saying plastic instead of rat poison.  How are vets to know how to treat any sick animals with conflicting reports like this!   :evil:

Anyone know where a total of pets effected might be being kept?

.

Someone posted a link to a site that was keeping track of that.  It's probably in the pet food recall thread.  I'll see if I can find it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 07:45:40 PM
Yes, picking up bits and pieces thru the last almost 2 yrs. about where she might live, I would say she is under a lot of smoke, ash now for the smoke is going over her area in a big way. They are telling everyone to close windows et al.

Rumor has it, it was started by kids with fireworks near the Oakwood Apts on Barham and they have some kids re: it.. UGH

Hollywood sign, houses, horses, lives, Forest Lawn and Jewish cemetery, Griffith Park and zoo OK and saved!

Big, big electric lines up there. TV said smoke damages the lines so can't relay... be on look out for surges.

Am so proud of all our Fire, Police, EMT and those here who are serving and have served! Am looking for wk tele # of my girlfriend at Warners whose office is right across the road from the fire.

Smoke House restaurant, like less than a block from the fire, said that an after funeral dinner was scheduled: they said they haven't heard anything about it. TV rumor said some funerals canceled.

ran out of room for back up on hard disk.. so won't be taking computer in until tomorrow. Have to clean up HD backup Only 1 last day on AppleCare at end of 3 yrs!

You knowo how they tease those in So. CA that our car is an extension of us??? SM and my computers are extension of me more than my car.

Later this this eve: buy some bunny socks and dinner at the Post (steak Yippee) and live dancing. opps live music

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 07:47:53 PM
computer not computers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 30, 2007, 07:49:35 PM
Anna

Try this:

http://www.petconnection.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T

I just posted updates in the Monkey Lounge on the first DRY pet food being recalled.  It's one of the Hill's Science Diet Prescription Diets.

This expansion into dry food is very troubling.  And the FDA is saying plastic instead of rat poison.  How are vets to know how to treat any sick animals with conflicting reports like this!   :evil:

Anyone know where a total of pets effected might be being kept?

.

Someone posted a link to a site that was keeping track of that.  It's probably in the pet food recall thread.  I'll see if I can find it.


Anna - I think this is the site:

http://www.petconnection.com/index.php

Update 3/30: More than 2,400 pets have been reported as deceased to our PetConnection database


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 07:55:47 PM
Anna

Hi!  Plastic what???? Shipping containers? How can plastic get into the wheat chain??

Resin??

Gee, this is horrible. Klaas I can't get the link to work.. but it might be overloaded from Good Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Anna

Hi!  Plastic what???? Shipping containers? How can plastic get into the wheat chain??

Resin??

Gee, this is horrible. Klaas I can't get the link to work.. but it might be overloaded from Good Monkeys!

Some kind of chemical used in making plastic that is also used as a fertilizer.  It's banned as a fertilizer here but not in China.


Title: Melamine
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 08:08:27 PM
FYI


Melamine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Melamine is a strong organic base with the chemical formula C3H6N6, with the IUPAC name 1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine. Melamine is produced from urea, mainly by either of two methods: catalyzed gas-phase production or high pressure liquid-phase production.

Melamine is primarily used to produce melamine resin, which when combined with formaldehyde produces a very durable thermoset plastic. This plastic is often used in kitchen utensils or plates (e.g. Melmac). It is often used in laminates. It is the main constituent in high pressure laminates such as Formica and Arborite and of laminate flooring. Melamine tile wall panels can also be used as whiteboards. Melamine resin is often directly laminated to particle board; the resultant panel is often referred to just as "melamine" and is frequently used in Ready-To-Assemble furniture and inexpensive kitchen cabinets.

With up to 6 active hydrogen sites, melamine reacts with formaldehyde and methanol to form a large family of resins. A resin ratio of 2 moles formaldehyde to 1 of melamine is used extensively to impregnate countertop surface paper laminates, making them flame and boil resistant. A resin ratio of 6 moles of formaldehyde to 1 of melamine followed by excess methanol forms a methylolated crosslinking resin used to impart heat and solvent resistance to numerous latex-based coatings.

Melamine, dicyandiamide (or cyanoguanidine) and cyanamide are related. The first is considered the trimer and the second the dimer of the third. All contain 66% N and provide fire retardant properties to resin formulas by releasing nitrogen when burned or charred.

Uses
The micro-fibrous structure of melamine foam, an open cell material.

Melamine foam has an interlinking bubble format which produces a structure more like a block of microscopic fibreglass than normal foam. Tt is used for soundproofing, as a fire-retardant material (but not as insulation, because it allows air to pass through its structure), and also as a cleaning product, the name-brand version of which is Magic Eraser, though other companies chop up and sell the same foam under their own, or generic, names. Because of its interlocking microporous nature, and the extreme hardness of the resulting fibres, it can seem to clean "uncleanable" things from any relatively smooth, hard surface, such as a crayon from a painted wall, or road grease from a hubcap.

[edit] Toxicity

Melamine is not known to be toxic in humans. According to animal studies, large amounts may ultimately lead to kidney stones, cancer or reproductive damage.[2][3][4][5]

During the early part of 2007 there was a massive pet food recall by Menu Foods due to suspected contamination after the food proved deadly to pets. On March 30, 2007, the US Food and Drug Administration reported that it found melamine in the recalled pet food, in samples of wheat gluten used to produce the food, as well as in the kidneys and urine of affected animals. The compound's presence has not been conclusively linked to the animals' deaths, but the FDA’s Dr. Stephen Sundlof said, “Melamine is an ingredient that should not be present in pet food at any level.”[6] The US FDA report says that Melamine is used as a fertilizer in Asia aside from its more common use in plastics. Previously, officials in the US state of New York identified aminopterin as the contaminant that caused the sicknesses.[7]

[edit] See also

    * 1,3,5-Triazine
    * Triazines
References

   1. ^ Merck Index, 12th Edition, 5853.
   2. ^ International Chemical Safety Card
   3. ^ MSDS
   4. ^ OSHA - Chemical sampling information
   5. ^ WHO - Some Chemicals that Cause Tumours of the Kidney or Urinary Bladder in Rodents and Some Other Substances
   6. ^ ["http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/03/30/pet-food-recall-more-updates-from-the-press-conference/" "Pet food recall: More updates from the press conference"].
   7. ^ "Chemical found in recalled pet food", Dallas News


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:10:20 PM
<--making dog food at home -


now, maybe people will understand why im a GERMAPHOBIC

ok ok ok...maybe this situationisnt because of GERMS but the PRINCIPLE is the same... i dont eat out ..EVER



<------buying bulk chicken and HUGE bags of RICE


and considering putting an ad in the paper...

home made dog food prepared by ROBOTS

 8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
Sorry, didn't see the URL in the article.. Think I blew the margins. Sorry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:12:08 PM
<-----------will DELIVER within a 20 mile radius on orders over 50 pounds

 :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 30, 2007, 08:16:38 PM
So??? If we are using that Eraser thingie to clean?? are we leaving some of this toxin on what we clean?

Just threw my eraser thingie out! Back to rags and whatever.

Am checking the Lounge to see what I need to make cat and dog food. After I buy my bunny socks and steak. I bought some Organic Liver (hopefully it's organic!) cut up small pieces each day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:18:51 PM
chicken and rice ...dogs seem to like a lot

throw in a couple carrots and peas

they wil be fine


i was a wolf once..a long time ago

wolves like it too  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:20:44 PM
course one of my dogs thiks the carrots are a treat
and the other one wont touch em

different tastes for different dogs

the one that eats carrots can see better at night  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:24:04 PM
they like liver too

but, something about eating organs that are meant as FILTERS
turns me off

lots and lots and lots of people tell me these ORGAN foods are good for you
 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

i aint buying it...they shouldnt be selling it

i call it KOOKIE TALK  


they are FILTERS.. they COLLECT garbage... ever look in your VACCUM cleaner filter.......fry some of that up and tell me if thats  good for you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:26:21 PM
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

I agree with you there Robots  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

I agree with you there Robots  :wink:



 :wink:

now, if i was on a deserted island and that was all there was...

i mght think about eating them but im not sure about that

its a MAYBE  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

I agree with you there Robots  :wink:



 :wink:

now, if i was on a deserted island and that was all there was...

i mght think about eating them but im not sure about that

its a MAYBE  :wink:

What's the chances of that though?  If it's an island then there must be fish in the water?  Maybe lizards and snakes on the land?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

I agree with you there Robots  :wink:



 :wink:

now, if i was on a deserted island and that was all there was...

i mght think about eating them but im not sure about that

its a MAYBE  :wink:

What's the chances of that though?  If it's an island then there must be fish in the water?  Maybe lizards and snakes on the land?


LOL LOL LOL....klass you are cracking me up



i of course was speaking hypothetically
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 30, 2007, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
What I mean is that if prosecution were to have been started on the J2KP it would just have been so Joran to say, Well, how about so and so and what they did here and there, etc.  It's going to all come out in court if we have to be tried, etc.

So I think Oduber and ALE put their heads together and said it was in the interest of their national security to make this scandal go away.

And so they did.   :evil:


I wouldn't be surprised.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:38:21 PM
what is METHHEAD... i mean MEDLAY saying
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: "robots"
what is METHHEAD... i mean MEDLAY saying
 8)

She loves liver and kidneys  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
what is METHHEAD... i mean MEDLAY saying
 8)

She loves liver and kidneys  :lol:


she has turned into poison from eating too much poison  :shock:

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: "robots"
they like liver too

but, something about eating organs that are meant as FILTERS
turns me off

lots and lots and lots of people tell me these ORGAN foods are good for you
 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

i aint buying it...they shouldnt be selling it

i call it KOOKIE TALK  


they are FILTERS.. they COLLECT garbage... ever look in your VACCUM cleaner filter.......fry some of that up and tell me if thats  good for you



I think I just did a little LISA NO-WHACK in my pants.

ROBOTS, you are a

SCREAM!

You crack me up! LOL :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "robots"
they like liver too

but, something about eating organs that are meant as FILTERS
turns me off

lots and lots and lots of people tell me these ORGAN foods are good for you
 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

i aint buying it...they shouldnt be selling it

i call it KOOKIE TALK  


they are FILTERS.. they COLLECT garbage... ever look in your VACCUM cleaner filter.......fry some of that up and tell me if thats  good for you



I think I just did a little LISA NO-WHACK in my pants.

ROBOTS, you are a

SCREAM!

You crack me up! LOL :lol:


well,,, i figure i owe you after the 84 times i fell out of my chair in the last week after all the funny posts you have written recently  
i keep falling and im 87 years old and it is hard for me to keep getting up

 :shock:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:53:45 PM
speaking of filters 8)

"yea, give me one of the OIL FILTERS out of my truck engine and deep fry it...THEY say its good for you"

the ALIENATION of the use of the word "THEY"

who is "THEY" and why do THEY keep telling people SILLY LIES


im not sure i like anything that starts with "THEY"

it reminds me of HEY and HEY is for HORSES

it brings me back to when THEY SAY.... you should always start the day
with BREAKFAST  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

oh really......hmmmmmmm  who are these people

i have not eaten breakfast in 20 years.....

maybe thats why im hypoglycemic.... but then again my doctor says im not and im just fine.. but i dont trust him either  8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:54:35 PM
im not sure if im RANTING or simply RAMBLING

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 30, 2007, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: "robots"
there was a guy down the road from me me a few miles that had a very large sign, i would say it was like 4 feet by 8 feet that said something like
"if the DOG doesnt get you, the OWNER will"..... and it had a picture of a HAND GUN painted on the sign...

my guess is... HE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with BURGLARS

the first time i saw the sign... even i was like ""  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: "

he had it up for years... and i think everyone in the area knew about it
and for whatever reason ... he took it down

but it sure was funny  8)


Or maybe this would work ...

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/gunmailbox.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:58:25 PM
perhaps im filled with anger and disgust at the situation concerning a
beautiful young lady that was no doubt brutally murdered and throw away like garbage in a SCUM SUCKING ISLAND THAT IS FILLED WITH INCOMPETANCE, LIARS, CHEATERS, and just an awful bunch of GUTLESS people....


i can not tolerate GUTLESSNESS..

but im not sure that is even a word, but i think you know what i mean

i hate gutless people

too may bad things have happened because people were
SKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERED  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:



STOP TRAFFIC... im gonna PUKE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "robots"
there was a guy down the road from me me a few miles that had a very large sign, i would say it was like 4 feet by 8 feet that said something like
"if the DOG doesnt get you, the OWNER will"..... and it had a picture of a HAND GUN painted on the sign...

my guess is... HE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with BURGLARS

the first time i saw the sign... even i was like ""  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: "

he had it up for years... and i think everyone in the area knew about it
and for whatever reason ... he took it down

but it sure was funny  8)


Or maybe this would work ...

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/gunmailbox.jpg)


that is BEAUTIFUL  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "robots"
there was a guy down the road from me me a few miles that had a very large sign, i would say it was like 4 feet by 8 feet that said something like
"if the DOG doesnt get you, the OWNER will"..... and it had a picture of a HAND GUN painted on the sign...

my guess is... HE NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM with BURGLARS

the first time i saw the sign... even i was like ""  :shock:  :shock:  :shock: "

he had it up for years... and i think everyone in the area knew about it
and for whatever reason ... he took it down

but it sure was funny  8)


Or maybe this would work ...

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/gunmailbox.jpg)


Ms. Marple - was there a monkey dinner tonight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:01:52 PM
maybe im just getting old, but MY GOODNESS what the _ _ _ _ is going on
in this case in the weasel island

1. INCOMPETANCE
2. COVER UPS
3. PURE EVIL

all mixed up into one GIANT package of sludge


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 30, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
BT - Yes, a small but very nice one ...[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
this case reminds me of a bunch of adults playing a game of baseball against a bunch of 7-10 year olds.. the adults make it real interesting and in the end the adults lose by 1 run because the 7-10 year olds score the winning run in the last inning


course, we know it was all fixed.. so the 7,8, 9, 10 year olds could win and no harm done, it was a fun game

just like this case, the FIX was in from the get go


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
BT - Yes, a small but very nice one ...[/b]


I'm glad it was good. I so wish I could have been there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:10:48 PM
Posted by Victor at FOB regarding what SandraK posted that looks like Joran's diary or book draft:

The text clearly gives away this was obtained at least prior to May 2006, also that it was in posession for over a year by people supportive of Joran or fence-sitters.
 
If this text (diary) was obtained over a year ago by people who believe in his guilt, I do not believe it would have been kept hidden for so long, as it seems it was never intended to leak to a big audience.
 
I also think the text was written by Joran himself in English, the people who had this version in posession for over a year could have done a much better job in making a correct English translation, but choose not to.
I think because when someone would have pulled it through a spell corrector and make all sort of adjustments in grammare, words used etc. it would be more perfect English but no longer Joran's words, that is why I think it was not corrected allthough the person who seemed to have passed the text on to others did add two things in between *...* (for example the presumed last name of a friend, followed by ?) Also between *...*:  *for those who don't know slippers=flipflops* if it were a translation and the person translating it aware that flipflops would be a better translation (In Dutch slippers is only used for flipflops not for home-footwear) no need to add this info just type flipflops, so it were just two side-notes made in it, in order to keep the original text (imo).
 
I guess over a year ago Joran wanted to write his story, mainly for a US adience since this case never was a media hype in Holland, I therefor can understand that he had choosen to write in English.
I think whomever got this in posession left it in the original wording instead of editting it; if I were offered the read the May 2005 diary of FEB with her permission, I would prefer to read it in her own wording, and not the text only after it had been adjusted, editted and so on. That is why I think who ever had this in posession has left it this way, and just made two side notes (one of which gives away that it was obtained prior to May 2006).
 
I think it is a violation of Joran's privacy that not only people were able to obtain these notes without his permision but also as is obvious now were careless about it in such a way that now it is out there for everyone to read.
This could result in a lot of problems for Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "msmarple"
BT - Yes, a small but very nice one ...[/b]


I'm glad it was good. I so wish I could have been there!
Me too! One of these days, we Pennsylvania monkeys will have to get together. I know that some of us will be at the travel show in November, that is far off. When I go, I will be nothing less than professional and courteous. That is how I try to be in my life and that is how I will be there. After all, I was the first female Boy Scout Leader in my county. Not Cubscouts, not Den Mother, I was a full fledged Boy Scout Leader to a troop of 24 boys, I took Leader training with 20 Men for a weekend!...Hi Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: klaasend
Posted by Victor at FOB regarding what SandraK posted that looks like Joran's diary or book draft:

The text clearly gives away this was obtained at least prior to May 2006, also that it was in posession for over a year by people supportive of Joran or fence-sitters.
 
If this text (diary) was obtained over a year ago by people who believe in his guilt, I do not believe it would have been kept hidden for so long, as it seems it was never intended to leak to a big audience.
 
I also think the text was written by Joran himself in English, the people who had this version in posession for over a year could have done a much better job in making a correct English translation, but choose not to.
I think because when someone would have pulled it through a spell corrector and make all sort of adjustments in grammare, words used etc. it would be more perfect English but no longer Joran's words, that is why I think it was not corrected allthough the person who seemed to have passed the text on to others did add two things in between *...* (for example the presumed last name of a friend, followed by ?) Also between *...*:  *for those who don't know slippers=flipflops* if it were a translation and the person translating it aware that flipflops would be a better translation (In Dutch slippers is only used for flipflops not for home-footwear) no need to add this info just type flipflops, so it were just two side-notes made in it, in order to keep the original text (imo).
 
I guess over a year ago Joran wanted to write his story, mainly for a US adience since this case never was a media hype in Holland, I therefor can understand that he had choosen to write in English.
I think whomever got this in posession left it in the original wording instead of editting it; if I were offered the read the May 2005 diary of FEB with her permission, I would prefer to read it in her own wording, and not the text only after it had been adjusted, editted and so on. That is why I think who ever had this in posession has left it this way, and just made two side notes (one of which gives away that it was obtained prior to May 2006).
 
I think it is a violation of Joran's privacy that not only people were able to obtain these notes without his permision but also as is obvious now were careless about it in such a way that now it is out there for everyone to read.
This could result in a lot of problems for Joran.

With any luck.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "msmarple"
BT - Yes, a small but very nice one ...[/b]


I'm glad it was good. I so wish I could have been there!
Me too! One of these days, we Pennsylvania monkeys will have to get together. I know that some of us will be at the travel show in November, that is far off. When I go, I will be nothing less than professional and courteous. That is how I try to be in my life and that is how I will be there. After all, I was the first female Boy Scout Leader in my county. Not Cubscouts, not Den Mother, I was a full fledged Boy Scout Leader to a troop of 24 boys, I took Leader training with 20 Men for a weekend!...Hi Monkeys!


i will be on my best behavior as much i hate to  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:16:56 PM
This could result in a lot of problems for Joran.



thats a shame  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: "robots"
chicken and rice ...dogs seem to like a lot

throw in a couple carrots and peas

they wil be fine


i was a wolf once..a long time ago

wolves like it too  8)


throw in some garlic also.  Dogs love it and it is so good for them (and good for people too)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
chicken and rice ...dogs seem to like a lot

throw in a couple carrots and peas

they wil be fine


i was a wolf once..a long time ago

wolves like it too  8)


throw in some garlic also.  Dogs love it and it is so good for them (and good for people too)



hi tibro !  8)  i was talking with my mate in canberra NSW

i would like to meet the person that says garlic is good for people

it may very well be....but im a walking skeptic tank
 :lol:
i once read that we burned WITCHES.. cause they said they were bad
then we realized there was no such things as witches so we stopped burning them... go figure

but i thought Mrs. Stevens on bewitched was real when i was 7  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: BTgirl
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Victor at FOB regarding what SandraK posted that looks like Joran's diary or book draft:

The text clearly gives away this was obtained at least prior to May 2006, also that it was in posession for over a year by people supportive of Joran or fence-sitters.
 
If this text (diary) was obtained over a year ago by people who believe in his guilt, I do not believe it would have been kept hidden for so long, as it seems it was never intended to leak to a big audience.
 
I also think the text was written by Joran himself in English, the people who had this version in posession for over a year could have done a much better job in making a correct English translation, but choose not to.
I think because when someone would have pulled it through a spell corrector and make all sort of adjustments in grammare, words used etc. it would be more perfect English but no longer Joran's words, that is why I think it was not corrected allthough the person who seemed to have passed the text on to others did add two things in between *...* (for example the presumed last name of a friend, followed by ?) Also between *...*:  *for those who don't know slippers=flipflops* if it were a translation and the person translating it aware that flipflops would be a better translation (In Dutch slippers is only used for flipflops not for home-footwear) no need to add this info just type flipflops, so it were just two side-notes made in it, in order to keep the original text (imo).
 
I guess over a year ago Joran wanted to write his story, mainly for a US adience since this case never was a media hype in Holland, I therefor can understand that he had choosen to write in English.
I think whomever got this in posession left it in the original wording instead of editting it; if I were offered the read the May 2005 diary of FEB with her permission, I would prefer to read it in her own wording, and not the text only after it had been adjusted, editted and so on. That is why I think who ever had this in posession has left it this way, and just made two side notes (one of which gives away that it was obtained prior to May 2006).
 
I think it is a violation of Joran's privacy that not only people were able to obtain these notes without his permision but also as is obvious now were careless about it in such a way that now it is out there for everyone to read.
This could result in a lot of problems for Joran.

With any luck.  :D
Why do they worry about his lies now, his lies have been out there for 2 years now. I just find it comical, the whole situation, how they are up in arms over this. But, that is just me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:22:12 PM
Message to MF at FOB:

You couldn't be more WRONG.  The first time I saw it was when SandraK posted it.  I had no idea it even existed.  Look to members of RU and FOB, but not SM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "msmarple"
BT - Yes, a small but very nice one ...[/b]


I'm glad it was good. I so wish I could have been there!
Me too! One of these days, we Pennsylvania monkeys will have to get together. I know that some of us will be at the travel show in November, that is far off. When I go, I will be nothing less than professional and courteous. That is how I try to be in my life and that is how I will be there. After all, I was the first female Boy Scout Leader in my county. Not Cubscouts, not Den Mother, I was a full fledged Boy Scout Leader to a troop of 24 boys, I took Leader training with 20 Men for a weekend!...Hi Monkeys!


i will be on my best behavior as much i hate to  8)
I said I will behave, You don't have to! LOL! I just meant that if I attend the show, which I plan on doing, I will get a permit and obey the law. However, I will be more than proud to have a sign on me, Justice For Natalee!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message to MF at FOB:

You couldn't be more WRONG.  The first time I saw it was when SandraK posted it.  I had no idea it even existed.  Look to members of RU and FOB, but not SM.
That is the truth too! This one came from within, the monkeys had nothing to do with it. LMAO!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:30:54 PM
OMG..

 I know I dont post often.. but found a photo that suppose to be of CharlieRat?   :shock:  :shock:  The infamous attorney?   :shock:

 Umm.. has anyone else seen this?  AND WTF is that he is standing next to?
  Is that a dude? A girl?  Both?    :shock:   Im gonna GAG..  
!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 09:31:13 PM
Hi Robots.
Garlic is an antiseptic and an antibiotic.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
chicken and rice ...dogs seem to like a lot

throw in a couple carrots and peas

they wil be fine


i was a wolf once..a long time ago

wolves like it too  8)


throw in some garlic also.  Dogs love it and it is so good for them (and good for people too)
I can only eat garlic in small amounts, but it is good for us, so I hear!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:31:36 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
OMG..

 I know I dont post often.. but found a photo that suppose to be of CharlieRat?   :shock:  :shock:  The infamous attorney?   :shock:

 Umm.. has anyone else seen this?  AND WTF is that he is standing next to?
  Is that a dude? A girl?  Both?    :shock:   Im gonna GAG..  
!  :shock:


  Crap  I forgot the pic.. Carpe?? do you have this one?

IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/charlierat.jpg[/IMG]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:33:28 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
OMG..

 I know I dont post often.. but found a photo that suppose to be of CharlieRat?   :shock:  :shock:  The infamous attorney?   :shock:

 Umm.. has anyone else seen this?  AND WTF is that he is standing next to?
  Is that a dude? A girl?  Both?    :shock:   Im gonna GAG..  
!  :shock:
Where?? I wanna seeeeeeeeeeeee , LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message to MF at FOB:

You couldn't be more WRONG.  The first time I saw it was when SandraK posted it.  I had no idea it even existed.  Look to members of RU and FOB, but not SM.
That is the truth too! This one came from within, the monkeys had nothing to do with it. LMAO!! :lol:

The Refugees have those off shoot private forums where they share the "secret" stuff.  Forums that I not only do not have access to, but would not want access to.  That encluded the RU heated exchange area.  So if THEY had this information for a year, then THEY are the ones who should have let the Van Der Sloots know about it.  

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone?  It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:34:55 PM
{{already fixed the last one - I don't want to look at it twice :wink: }}
 I hope it works this time.. if not Klaas  HELP!  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on March 30, 2007, 09:36:59 PM
Hiya Monkeys

EWWWWW!!!!! I thought tye dyed shirts went out in the 70s????   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
OMG..

 I know I dont post often.. but found a photo that suppose to be of CharlieRat?   :shock:  :shock:  The infamous attorney?   :shock:

 Umm.. has anyone else seen this?  AND WTF is that he is standing next to?
  Is that a dude? A girl?  Both?    :shock:   Im gonna GAG..  
!  :shock:
Where?? I wanna seeeeeeeeeeeee , LOL



 :shock:  Hi sweety.. its posted now I think. I have trouble with my new puter.. Im sorry   :oops:  :oops:
  But WTF?  Looks like Charlie rat to me in toehr pics I have seen posted of him here? and WTF is that next to him??  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

[(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)
Angie....LMAO, My Mom always said, if you cant say anything good about someone do not say anything SO, I will Shut up!!OMG!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on March 30, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
{{already fixed the last one - I don't want to look at it twice :wink: }}
 I hope it works this time.. if not Klaas  HELP!  lol


  Sorry Klaas :oops:  :oops:   and TY for fixing it..  first I have seen this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Message to MF at FOB:

You couldn't be more WRONG.  The first time I saw it was when SandraK posted it.  I had no idea it even existed.  Look to members of RU and FOB, but not SM.
That is the truth too! This one came from within, the monkeys had nothing to do with it. LMAO!! :lol:

The Refugees have those off shoot private forums where they share the "secret" stuff.  Forums that I not only do not have access to, but would not want access to.  That encluded the RU heated exchange area.  So if THEY had this information for a year, then THEY are the ones who should have let the Van Der Sloots know about it.  

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone?  It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.
Right, he may have.As stupid as that would be, stupid is as stupid does! LOL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
{{already fixed the last one - I don't want to look at it twice :wink: }}
 I hope it works this time.. if not Klaas  HELP!  lol


  Sorry Klaas :oops:  :oops:   and TY for fixing it..  first I have seen this?

I've seen other photos of Charlierat in Aruba and I think I saw this one too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
Elaine..
   I have Aresomith in my head?  Dude looks like a lady? Or is it Lady looks like a dude?   :shock:
  I am not on often enough.. but found this? I neevr saw it posted anywhere before?  Eeekkkkkkkkkkkkk..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:42:08 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
{{already fixed the last one - I don't want to look at it twice :wink: }}
 I hope it works this time.. if not Klaas  HELP!  lol


  Sorry Klaas :oops:  :oops:   and TY for fixing it..  first I have seen this?

I've seen other photos of Charlierat in Aruba and I think I saw this one too.



 :oops:   Ty Klaas..  (old news then.  lol)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Anna

Try this:

http://www.petconnection.com/



Thank you, Buckeye.

2,603 deaths to date.   :(

I am trying to read labels with a magnifying glass looking for wheat gluten just in case until this is settled or at least we know more than we do now.

If this effected humans, I dare say the FDA and Menu foods would be a lot more forthcoming!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Robots.
Garlic is an antiseptic and an antibiotic.


is it good for robots ???

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Elaine..
   I have Aresomith in my head?  Dude looks like a lady? Or is it Lady looks like a dude?   :shock:
  I am not on often enough.. but found this? I neevr saw it posted anywhere before?  Eeekkkkkkkkkkkkk..


dont be skeeeeeeeeered

be disgusted instead  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)


Can you point out which guy is DA RAT? I am having a time with it. ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Elaine..
   I have Aresomith in my head?  Dude looks like a lady? Or is it Lady looks like a dude?   :shock:
  I am not on often enough.. but found this? I neevr saw it posted anywhere before?  Eeekkkkkkkkkkkkk..


dont be skeeeeeeeeered

be disgusted instead  :lol:


  Hi sweety.. not much skeers my butt..
but that pic did.. not even so the RAT but the THANG next to him?  :shock:  
  Nice seeing yah Robots  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:
Monkeys, Isnt anyone gonna bite and ask me what I found about JORAN??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on March 30, 2007, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:
Monkeys, Isnt anyone gonna bite and ask me what I found about JORAN??


I'll bite...what did ya find???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)


Can you point out which guy is DA RAT? I am having a time with it. ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I have NEVER EVER seen an ATTORNEY dress like that, never!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone



Absolutely, yapperz1.

"His arrogance will be his downfall." TOTALLY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:
Monkeys, Isnt anyone gonna bite and ask me what I found about JORAN??


WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)


Can you point out which guy is DA RAT? I am having a time with it. ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 


 roflmao.  I figured you of all people.. would get a kick out of it?
  So.. what yah think?  Is that a dude or what next to him?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Dammit   :roll:  :roll:   Damn new Pc.. and Vista SUCKS.. One more time.. Ughhh  Im sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/charlierat.jpg)


Can you point out which guy is DA RAT? I am having a time with it. ROFLMAO :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Elaine..
   I have Aresomith in my head?  Dude looks like a lady? Or is it Lady looks like a dude?   :shock:
  I am not on often enough.. but found this? I neevr saw it posted anywhere before?  Eeekkkkkkkkkkkkk..


dont be skeeeeeeeeered

be disgusted instead  :lol:


  Hi sweety.. not much skeers my butt..
but that pic did.. not even so the RAT but the THANG next to him?  :shock:  
  Nice seeing yah Robots  :)



hi there

i think i see a crack pipe in his hand  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 09:53:23 PM
Elaine???????

What did you find out about Joran??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:
Monkeys, Isnt anyone gonna bite and ask me what I found about JORAN??


I'll bite...what did ya find???
Thank you Yappers!! OK, there is a group of people on the internet that love to  find graffiti (yes grafitti is ILLEGAL) and take pictures of the grafiti and particulary on TRAINS  and such.! They post this crap online for all to see. Some of these people, probably create the graffiti themselves, and GUESS WHO IS INVOLVED IN THIS NETWORK?....YUP!! Joran Van DER Sloot!! Daddy will be PROUD!! Click the link and you will see a member called BananaRepublik, then click the blue link that says abot this member and you will see.... JoranVanDerSloot Netherlands  :shock:  he is something else!! http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Elaine..
   I have Aresomith in my head?  Dude looks like a lady? Or is it Lady looks like a dude?   :shock:
  I am not on often enough.. but found this? I neevr saw it posted anywhere before?  Eeekkkkkkkkkkkkk..


dont be skeeeeeeeeered

be disgusted instead  :lol:


  Hi sweety.. not much skeers my butt..
but that pic did.. not even so the RAT but the THANG next to him?  :shock:  
  Nice seeing yah Robots  :)



hi there

i think i see a crack pipe in his hand  8)


  HA HA  Robots!!
  Is he related to Miss Medley perhaps? Crackpipes in Crescent?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine???????

What did you find out about Joran??
Klaas, please save that as I am sure it will disappear!! TIA!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 30, 2007, 09:55:45 PM
I have 20 on her...


IF THEY EVER "THROW DOWN"


I bet ya she could lift a VW engine
out of a car frame with her neck.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/stanleyroper.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
klaas wrote:

How do we know that Joran himself didn't willingly share this with someone? It would be incrediblly stupid of him, but could have happened.


IMO he is just arrogant enough to share it with someone
I agree! He loves the attention. Anyone who thinks he doesn't should see What I found about Joran!!! :shock:
Monkeys, Isnt anyone gonna bite and ask me what I found about JORAN??


I'll bite...what did ya find???
Thank you Yappers!! OK, there is a group of people on the internet that love to  find graffiti (yes grafitti is ILLEGAL) and take pictures of the grafiti and particulary on TRAINS  and such.! They post this crap online for all to see. Some of these people, probably create the graffiti themselves, and GUESS WHO IS INVOLVED IN THIS NETWORK?....YUP!! Joran Van DER Sloot!! Daddy will be PROUD!! Click the link and you will see a member called BananaRepublik, then click the blue link that says abot this member and you will see.... JoranVanDerSloot Netherlands  :shock:  he is something else!! http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine???????

What did you find out about Joran??
Klaas, please save that as I am sure it will disappear!! TIA!!


  SHit. I went and went to post back to you and messed up the quote.
  Sorry  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I have 20 on her...


IF THEY EVER "THROW DOWN"


I bet ya she could lift a VW engine
out of a car frame with her neck.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/stanleyroper.jpg)


  OMG  Stanley Roper..    ROFLMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine???????

What did you find out about Joran??
Klaas, please save that as I am sure it will disappear!! TIA!!


  SHit. I went and went to post back to you and messed up the quote.
  Sorry  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Do not worry girlfriend I do that too, what do you all think? Does this guy BEG for attention or WHAT?!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:03:24 PM
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine???????

What did you find out about Joran??
Klaas, please save that as I am sure it will disappear!! TIA!!


  SHit. I went and went to post back to you and messed up the quote.
  Sorry  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Do not worry girlfriend I do that too, what do you all think? Does this guy BEG for attention or WHAT?!!


 Amen to that Elaine!   How did you find it?  If you can say?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:
Can you beleive that? LOL! I put ....JoranVanDersloot into google...no spaces, just ran his entire name together and hit search and Poof, there it was! He CRAVES attention, this proves it to me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:
Can you beleive that? LOL! I put ....JoranVanDersloot into google...no spaces, just ran his entire name together and hit search and Poof, there it was! He CRAVES attention, this proves it to me!

Wow - very nice!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:
Can you beleive that? LOL! I put ....JoranVanDersloot into google...no spaces, just ran his entire name together and hit search and Poof, there it was! He CRAVES attention, this proves it to me!


You go girl.. Miss Thang!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
 Awesone find Elaine!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:
Can you beleive that? LOL! I put ....JoranVanDersloot into google...no spaces, just ran his entire name together and hit search and Poof, there it was! He CRAVES attention, this proves it to me!
Also, he has signed on as recently as this month adding more sheet!! If you click on archives you see the diff. Pictures he added over the last few years  and months! He wants attention Bad! We can give him some!! :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - how the heck did you find that?  :lol:
Can you beleive that? LOL! I put ....JoranVanDersloot into google...no spaces, just ran his entire name together and hit search and Poof, there it was! He CRAVES attention, this proves it to me!

Wow - very nice!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/bananarepublikJVDS.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:10:46 PM
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 10:12:16 PM
You know, it looks like old Joran is doing a version of trainspotting, and I always thought people who did that were supposed to be dyed-in-the-wool geeks. Who would have thought Joran was a geek? :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:14:14 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!
Oooops it says Aruba not netherlandsz for his hometown so I forgot, Nothing is illegal in Aruba, but I still think he got his photos in the Netherlands, there are no trains in Aruba?!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:18:13 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


Even though his location says Aruba, the web IP address of the site is the Netherlands.  No, there are no trains like that in Aruba  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
You know, it looks like old Joran is doing a version of trainspotting, and I always thought people who did that were supposed to be dyed-in-the-wool geeks. Who would have thought Joran was a geek? :P
LOL! Where is Carpe? I'd have thought he'd have a cartoon about this by now! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


 How SICK!
  Elaine.. I'd LOVE to meet yah.. and I do hope by November this is all solved.   I hope and pray it is.
 But if we all can go to Philly. the ones who did post in that thread. you GOTTA wear those glasses chicky.. ROFL!!     :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


Even though his location says Aruba, the web IP address of the site is the Netherlands.  No, there are no trains like that in Aruba  :wink:
Good catch Klaas! I didnt notice the IP address.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


 How SICK!
  Elaine.. I'd LOVE to meet yah.. and I do hope by November this is all solved.   I hope and pray it is.
 But if we all can go to Philly. the ones who did post in that thread. you GOTTA wear those glasses chicky.. ROFL!!     :wink:
And I will! I really DO wear glasses, and I look just like my avatar, well sort of LMAO! But, If this case is solved before the show Angie, we will have a celebration Dinner!!SO, we can still meet! I would Love to meet you as well!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:29:31 PM
Angie, I must say I never saw the pic. of Charlie in tye-dye and it is FUNNY! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I would LOVE to know if this behaviour is legal or not in the Netherlands.!!

I'm sure it's not illegal to take the photos, but the graffiti itself is probably illegal.  No way for us to prove he's actually doing the graffiti though.
I know!But, he will continue his illegal behaviour, this just proves that to me.! IMO, the guy thinks he is above all law!


 How SICK!
  Elaine.. I'd LOVE to meet yah.. and I do hope by November this is all solved.   I hope and pray it is.
 But if we all can go to Philly. the ones who did post in that thread. you GOTTA wear those glasses chicky.. ROFL!!     :wink:
And I will! I really DO wear glasses, and I look just like my avatar, well sort of LMAO! But, If this case is solved before the show Angie, we will have a celebration Dinner!!SO, we can still meet! I would Love to meet you as well!  :D


 Me too.. LMAO.. bet we would  have a blast ! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:34:26 PM
And I would love to meet Klaas as well! Klaas, why must you be so far away?  :lol:  We would not be here all this time, if not for Klaas! And of course Red and Tom. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Angie, I must say I never saw the pic. of Charlie in tye-dye and it is FUNNY! :lol:  :lol:


  LOL  I have seen other pics of the RAT.. and he disnt shock me on this one I guess.. its the  he/she or whatever it is next to him?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
And I would love to meet Klaas as well! Klaas, why must you be so far away?  :lol:  We would not be here all this time, if not for Klaas! And of course Red and Tom. :)

Unfortunately, I'm all the way out here in California  :wink:  If there's a trial in Los Angeles I'll have to try to go.  Maybe you'll see me there, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 10:37:27 PM
You mean to tell me that the Joran statement is in HIS own original English?

I assumed from the POOR quality that it was a bad hip-pocket translation by a Refugee who was in a BIG hurry to get to her yoga class or pedicure or whatever they do during the day. Seriously!

NO reputable publisher would touch junk like that in print. They would require extensive editing and cleaning up of the manuscript before it ever saw the first drop of ink.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Angie, I must say I never saw the pic. of Charlie in tye-dye and it is FUNNY! :lol:  :lol:


  LOL  I have seen other pics of the RAT.. and he disnt shock me on this one I guess.. its the  he/she or whatever it is next to him?   :shock:
LMAO....he/she...Oh my...LOL... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: "sb"
You mean to tell me that the Joran statement is in HIS own original English?

I assumed from the POOR quality that it was a bad hip-pocket translation by a Refugee who was in a BIG hurry to get to her yoga class or pedicure or whatever they do during the day. Seriously!

NO reputable publisher would touch junk like that in print. They would require extensive editing and cleaning up of the manuscript before it ever saw the first drop of ink.

SB - I believe it is in Joran's english but I'm not sure it's part of THIS book. Even if it is, I'm sure the publisher would rewrite it.  His book will be in Dutch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 30, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
That is a Jerry Garcia tie dyed shirt.Hmm.Elaine,you amaze me.On my honor,I am constantly amazed.i hope none of the monkeys have had problems with SO.Cal fires.Yes,joran craves attention,and that is why there will not be a revelation on the matter in 2010.He talks to much,sander flashes money to much,etc.CAT   San,have you ever used Glazer rounds.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Robots.
Garlic is an antiseptic and an antibiotic.


is it good for robots ???

 :lol:


Keeps the rust away  :lol:  :lol:

Sorry I was interrupted on my previous post and only just logged back in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

Couldn't agree more Robots, recycling organs weren't meant to be recycled.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:44:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sb"
You mean to tell me that the Joran statement is in HIS own original English?

I assumed from the POOR quality that it was a bad hip-pocket translation by a Refugee who was in a BIG hurry to get to her yoga class or pedicure or whatever they do during the day. Seriously!

NO reputable publisher would touch junk like that in print. They would require extensive editing and cleaning up of the manuscript before it ever saw the first drop of ink.

SB - I believe it is in Joran's english but I'm not sure it's part of THIS book. Even if it is, I'm sure the publisher would rewrite it.  His book will be in Dutch.
Ihope his book is never seen, as was O.J. Simpsons, but alas, we ARE talking about Aruba and their ilk!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 30, 2007, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
That is a Jerry Garcia tie dyed shirt.Hmm.Elaine,you amaze me.On my honor,I am constantly amazed.i hope none of the monkeys have had problems with SO.Cal fires.Yes,joran craves attention,and that is why there will not be a revelation on the matter in 2010.He talks to much,sander flashes money to much,etc.CAT   San,have you ever used Glazer rounds.



Are those the ceramic coated ones, Cat?  If so, I might have.   :D

Doesn't one normally alternate them with a full metal jacket round for maximum effect?


 :D  8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 30, 2007, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Robots.
Garlic is an antiseptic and an antibiotic.


is it good for robots ???

 :lol:


Keeps the rust away  :lol:  :lol:

Sorry I was interrupted on my previous post and only just logged back in.



LOL, thanks !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

Couldn't agree more Robots, recycling organs weren't meant to be recycled.
I just cannot bring myself to eat liver! No offense to anyone who can, I just haven't been able to do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 10:52:18 PM
Not much here, but probably true...

Per Shizaru:

"I am told the ruling has not changed the book's planned release at the end of April."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

Couldn't agree more Robots, recycling organs weren't meant to be recycled.
I just cannot bring myself to eat liver! No offense to anyone who can, I just haven't been able to do it.

My mom used to make me eat it as a child.  The only way I could get it down is by adding catsup and bacon. :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Not much here, but probably true...

Per Shizaru:

"I am told the ruling has not changed the book's planned release at the end of April."


Thanks Igsigs - to be expected I guess


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on March 30, 2007, 10:56:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

Couldn't agree more Robots, recycling organs weren't meant to be recycled.
I just cannot bring myself to eat liver! No offense to anyone who can, I just haven't been able to do it.

My mom used to make me eat it as a child.  The only way I could get it down is by adding catsup and bacon. :wink:  :lol:


Klaas,  my Mom made me eat it too.  It wasn't until the last year she said she didn't like it either!!  (but she thought it was good for us)  She is probably right, she is a very healthy 91, but I have decided that I will live less years if I can do it without eating Liver, kidneys...and what ever it is they put in the turkey gravy-- giblets!!  YUK :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 30, 2007, 11:00:50 PM
Yo, monkeys! Read back a few pages. Joran is stupid and arrogant enough to do anything. He is a pig. dang, thought we had a pig face smiley but I',m not finding it...

Spent a few minutes this evening marking bills with "Boycott Aruba", "Remember Natalee" and "Justice for Natalee". I so love doing that.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 30, 2007, 11:01:45 PM
Hi everyone

What "if" Joran wanted these exerpts to leak?I mean this could be a real good way to get this person's name out there again  that wanted it took out of his book.Maybe Joran resented the fact they didn't want their name taken out.He could've gave it to someone knowing it would get on the internet boards.It is strange that it shows up about the same time as the court case. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
kidneys, livers and giblets............YUCK

let them clean, eat at your own RISK


you have been warned

Couldn't agree more Robots, recycling organs weren't meant to be recycled.
I just cannot bring myself to eat liver! No offense to anyone who can, I just haven't been able to do it.

One of my wife's favorite treats is fried chicken liver.  Remember the Seinfeld show where Jerry's GF's toothbrush got dropped in the toilet and he couldn't bring himself to kiss her again?  That's me when my wife eats chicken livers.  It takes a good 2-3 days for that heebie to wear off. LOL

Also, great catch Elaine on JVDs, my first thought was wow, posted on 11/05, just a few months after he 'made the girl disappear'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Not much here, but probably true...

Per Shizaru:

"I am told the ruling has not changed the book's planned release at the end of April."


OK, then, the ruling must have been that the Dutch Judge gets 25% of the book's profits. About right for grease.

That also explains the gag order.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone

What "if" Joran wanted these exerpts to leak?I mean this could be a real good way to get this person's name out there again  that wanted it took out of his book.Maybe Joran resented the fact they didn't want their name taken out.He could've gave it to someone knowing it would get on the internet boards.It is strange that it shows up about the same time as the court case. :wink:

Maybe but the names are already out there anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys! Read back a few pages. Joran is stupid and arrogant enough to do anything. He is a pig. dang, thought we had a pig face smiley but I',m not finding it...

Spent a few minutes this evening marking bills with "Boycott Aruba", "Remember Natalee" and "Justice for Natalee". I so love doing that.  :twisted:

You're right JM, he is stupid and arrogant.  A combo that I hope someday will be his epitath.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 30, 2007, 11:06:20 PM
correction..did want their name took out..not didn't,duh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys! Read back a few pages. Joran is stupid and arrogant enough to do anything. He is a pig. dang, thought we had a pig face smiley but I',m not finding it...

Spent a few minutes this evening marking bills with "Boycott Aruba", "Remember Natalee" and "Justice for Natalee". I so love doing that.  :twisted:


Is this what you mean, Justins?

 :pig:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys! Read back a few pages. Joran is stupid and arrogant enough to do anything. He is a pig. dang, thought we had a pig face smiley but I',m not finding it...

Spent a few minutes this evening marking bills with "Boycott Aruba", "Remember Natalee" and "Justice for Natalee". I so love doing that.  :twisted:


Here ya go, Justin's  :pig:  :pig:  :pig:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 30, 2007, 11:07:38 PM
RE: The Victor post a few pages back...where he says the excerpts might cause a problem for Joran?

Per Victor - "The probs i was referring to has nothing to do with anything pointing into guilt. I will tell you by PM."

Maybe because Guido is mentioned?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 11:08:05 PM
High Fives, BT :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:09:11 PM
I like chicken livers if they are fried well with lots of batter. But they need to be well-done, for SURE.

I would have a very hard time kissing a girl who habitually ate cabbage or sauerkraut. Those are 2 of my "yuck" foods.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Not much here, but probably true...

Per Shizaru:

"I am told the ruling has not changed the book's planned release at the end of April."

Maybe I'm wrong but my first thought is that this couldn't be worse news for Aruba.  One month before they have to decide what to do with the case, they're gonna be back in the news again.
I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be feeling a little heartburn over the timing.  Except of course JVDs who loves the "sport" of all this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
High Fives, BT :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


GMTA  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:16:04 PM
IndyDan, I hope you're right, but I am afraid in the opposite direction that the book release is meant to sell Joran's "innocence" IN ADVANCE OF the case being closed, in order to blunt the backlash that may result when he is officially cleared.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
RE: The Victor post a few pages back...where he says the excerpts might cause a problem for Joran?

Per Victor - "The probs i was referring to has nothing to do with anything pointing into guilt. I will tell you by PM."

Maybe because Guido is mentioned?

Maybe..I saw that too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:20:53 PM
OT:

Klaas... whoever...

I know that popup ads are a way of life on the Internet...

...and I know we need to pay bills...

but is there ANY possible way to at least prevent that ANNOYING ad with that despicable ANNOYING woman at the top of the page, from reloading EVERY SINGLE TIME the page refreshes?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: "sb"
IndyDan, I hope you're right, but I am afraid in the opposite direction that the book release is meant to sell Joran's "innocence" IN ADVANCE OF the case being closed, in order to blunt the backlash that may result when he is officially cleared.

Good angle there SB. Didn't think about it that way.  But that will be their last card to play.  Beth is still holding a few trump cards in her hand. So they better tread lightly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "sb"
IndyDan, I hope you're right, but I am afraid in the opposite direction that the book release is meant to sell Joran's "innocence" IN ADVANCE OF the case being closed, in order to blunt the backlash that may result when he is officially cleared.

Good angle there SB. Didn't think about it that way.  But that will be their last card to play.  Beth is still holding a few trump cards in her hand. So they better tread lightly.


My money is on Beth to have the last word in all this.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: "sb"
OT:

Klaas... whoever...

I know that popup ads are a way of life on the Internet...

...and I know we need to pay bills...

but is there ANY possible way to at least prevent that ANNOYING ad with that despicable ANNOYING woman at the top of the page, from reloading EVERY SINGLE TIME the page refreshes?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:


sb all I get is the tribalfusion thingy when I first log onto SM, then no more ads.  Something I use must be working!  Firefox tells me it has prevented popups on other sites but not here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on March 30, 2007, 11:26:38 PM
Headin' out, nite all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 30, 2007, 11:28:16 PM
nite IndyDan.
I'm heading out shopping soon.  Sat arvo here now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: "sb"
OT:

Klaas... whoever...

I know that popup ads are a way of life on the Internet...

...and I know we need to pay bills...

but is there ANY possible way to at least prevent that ANNOYING ad with that despicable ANNOYING woman at the top of the page, from reloading EVERY SINGLE TIME the page refreshes?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:

SB - can you email Tom about it?  tom@scaredmonkeys.com
Tom takes care of that stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: "sb"
OT:

Klaas... whoever...

I know that popup ads are a way of life on the Internet...

...and I know we need to pay bills...

but is there ANY possible way to at least prevent that ANNOYING ad with that despicable ANNOYING woman at the top of the page, from reloading EVERY SINGLE TIME the page refreshes?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:


  Evening SB.. ONE thing I can say .. although I do not like my new Vista program..  it DOES block out pop ups and I get alerted to spyware to most any site I go on... even using the secure tunnel or Annony~mouse thingy.  Still trying  to grasp things here on my PC. And NOT ot be rude.. tribal fusiion is a bad. Most blocks I get on my spyware.. list that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 30, 2007, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "sb"
IndyDan, I hope you're right, but I am afraid in the opposite direction that the book release is meant to sell Joran's "innocence" IN ADVANCE OF the case being closed, in order to blunt the backlash that may result when he is officially cleared.

Good angle there SB. Didn't think about it that way.  But that will be their last card to play.  Beth is still holding a few trump cards in her hand. So they better tread lightly.


My money is on Beth to have the last word in all this.....
That is right! Go Beth!! This woman has lost her daughter, who amongst us or over at the hate sights can say this? Thus, but for the sake of God go I? She has lost her child. This is a loss I do not want to imagine, ever. This is a loss that cannot be compared.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 11:32:50 PM
Night to  all wjops headiing off to bed.
(dont forget to hug Nemo too)  TYIA form Lalals..  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:33:16 PM
Nite Angie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 30, 2007, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "sb"
OT:

Klaas... whoever...

I know that popup ads are a way of life on the Internet...

...and I know we need to pay bills...

but is there ANY possible way to at least prevent that ANNOYING ad with that despicable ANNOYING woman at the top of the page, from reloading EVERY SINGLE TIME the page refreshes?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:


sb all I get is the tribalfusion thingy when I first log onto SM, then no more ads.  Something I use must be working!  Firefox tells me it has prevented popups on other sites but not here.


Me, too, Tibro....just had to reinforce your observations.  This is just an old PC with '98...settings must be same, though.  Need a new puter with an upgrade....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 11:39:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Angie


 Niters Klaas.. lol
  I wasn t gonna go to bed yet... but I better soon..  :D
  Have a great night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 30, 2007, 11:44:46 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Angie


 Niters Klaas.. lol
  I wasn t gonna go to bed yet... but I better soon..  :D
  Have a great night all.


Nite Angie. I'm heading off to bed too.

Sweet dreams everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:45:01 PM
A thought from earlier that escaped me while we were discussing the book, etc.-

We know now what the concept of a "snuff film" is, from our researches. We haven't established whether or not that has truly ever been done but it probably has, by some sick fiend. I mean, people are getting barbequed and fried lately, so a snuff film seems to be in keeping with the times.

IF the making of such films does happen, it is surely one of the most closely-guarded secrets around. A coverup to prevent that activity from coming to light in the world's media would be extensive and pervasive, they would go to any lengths to keep such a thing from being made known officially.

The making of a series of films SPECIFICALLY showing, drumroll please...

"Innocent tourist girl being raped on final night of island vacation"...

as the central plotline and theme...

is not too far behind the diabolical nature of an actual "snuff film".

TO KEEP SUCH AN INDUSTRY COVERED UP, THE MAKERS WOULD GO TO LENGTHS like they have done to sweep Natalee's case under the rug.

Could it be that the production of this SPECIFIC film genre is the dirty dark "secret" that Aruba, PVDS, the Dutch et al. are trying to conceal here?

In other words, such films ARE being made, and HAVE BEEN BEING MADE for some time, and Natalee threatens to expose the enterprise.

And this is why the coverup.

We have wanted to say it's drugs, Rave parties, the general lifestyle of the island, gambling, etc. It has to be an even bigger abomination than those things that would make them go to such lengths to deep-six the event altogether. The atrocity of filmed rapes of girls under those circumstances would fit here. I'm not just talking about teenaged perps with a CELLPHONE CAMERA for kicks... I'm talking studio lights, props, the whole 9 yards. I am talking about a quasi-commercial venture catering to the richest and most depraved perverts on the planet.

A working hypothesis: PVDS had Natalee brought to the home to do this. She didn't survive. Coverup swings into action. These people know how to sanitize situations, they are PROS.

After ALL the research and speculation we have done, this is still the one area of inquiry that I see as being most likely to yield an answer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2007, 11:49:00 PM
Quote from: "sb"
A thought from earlier that escaped me while we were discussing the book, etc.-

We know now what the concept of a "snuff film" is, from our researches. We haven't established whether or not that has truly ever been done but it probably has, by some sick fiend. I mean, people are getting barbequed and fried lately, so a snuff film seems to be in keeping with the times.

IF the making of such films does happen, it is surely one of the most closely-guarded secrets around. A coverup to prevent that activity from coming to light in the world's media would be extensive and pervasive, they would go to any lengths to keep such a thing from being made known officially.

The making of a series of films SPECIFICALLY showing, drumroll please...

"Innocent tourist girl being raped on final night of island vacation"...

as the central plotline and theme...

is not too far behind the diabolical nature of an actual "snuff film".

TO KEEP SUCH AN INDUSTRY COVERED UP, THE MAKERS WOULD GO TO LENGTHS like they have done to sweep Natalee's case under the rug.

Could it be that the production of this SPECIFIC film genre is the dirty dark "secret" that Aruba, PVDS, the Dutch et al. are trying to conceal here?

In other words, such films ARE being made, and HAVE BEEN BEING MADE for some time, and Natalee threatens to expose the enterprise.

And this is why the coverup.

We have wanted to say it's drugs, Rave parties, the general lifestyle of the island, gambling, etc. It has to be an even bigger abomination than those things that would make them go to such lengths to deep-six the event altogether. The atrocity of filmed rapes of girls under those circumstances would fit here. I'm not just talking about teenaged perps with a CELLPHONE CAMERA for kicks... I'm talking studio lights, props, the whole 9 yards. I am talking about a quasi-commercial venture catering to the richest and most depraved perverts on the planet.

A working hypothesis: PVDS had Natalee brought to the home to do this. She didn't survive. Coverup swings into action. These people know how to sanitize situations, they are PROS.

After ALL the research and speculation we have done, this is still the one area of inquiry that I see as being most likely to yield an answer.


Bingo!  Not only possible but very likely, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 30, 2007, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Angie


 Niters Klaas.. lol
  I wasn t gonna go to bed yet... but I better soon..  :D
  Have a great night all.


Nite Angie. I'm heading off to bed too.

Sweet dreams everyone.



 :evil:  I was gonna go to bed..  Ughhhhhhhh.. BS here now.  My kid has an evil bitch stalking him..  I am SO SICK of it.,.I just called 911.. and now waiting for a cop to  call me back.   :evil:   So much for going to damn bed.
 I wish I were 17 yrs old for 2 minutes..  I would kick the living shit out of the little bitch.  I am usually nice.. but this is getting OLD..   I am so sick of it all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 30, 2007, 11:55:44 PM
That's a shame, Angie. A while back, if I remember right, he had a very nice girlfriend. Did something change?

People should realize that GIRLS can do the stalking thing as well as boys. It's scary.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on March 31, 2007, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Angie


 Niters Klaas.. lol
  I wasn t gonna go to bed yet... but I better soon..  :D
  Have a great night all.


Nite Angie. I'm heading off to bed too.

Sweet dreams everyone.



 :evil:  I was gonna go to bed..  Ughhhhhhhh.. BS here now.  My kid has an evil bitch stalking him..  I am SO SICK of it.,.I just called 911.. and now waiting for a cop to  call me back.   :evil:   So much for going to damn bed.
 I wish I were 17 yrs old for 2 minutes..  I would kick the living shit out of the little bitch.  I am usually nice.. but this is getting OLD..   I am so sick of it all.


Gosh, Angie, I am so sorry!  Believe me I know how evil some of these girls can be! Teenage girls can really be viscious and nasty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 31, 2007, 12:10:11 AM
As musch as I hate to say this .. Girsl now a days.. can be a hell of alot worse then boys are  :evil:  :evil:

 Cops called me back.. little skank can kiss her bitch ass bye byes..
OMG I  am so mad too.. cop said he knows of her and shes bad news? said I dont know if I were you. if Id press charges?   WTF? cops  scared of a 17 yr old girl?  Whats wrong with that shit?  I todl thsi damn office rI used to wrk at 911,., and I am NOT STUPID,, and if I HAVE to my ass will go above his  head to a dectective  :twisted:
  He shit his pants.. :twisted:  I MYESLEF called the bimbo .. told the cop this as well.. I todl him I weasnmt mean to her.. and asked her NICE to let my kid alone. he dont want you.. Guess what she said..
  La la la la las ion my ear..  Makes for a  GREAT companion for JVDS IMO.. hey Joran.. her name is Nicole..!  She could be your friggin EVIL twin damn sistter.. the FACHEEM,.,.  (San and a few other Italians know what that means,., and it ISNT NICE!)      I am livid. sorry for the rant..  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 12:10:44 AM
SB,
It would only make sense to create such an elaborate cover up if there is something to cover up.  Something along the lines of what you describe had to have been the objective for otherwise, why such a cover up in the first place.  You don't cover something unless it is worse than what you are using for the cover.  That eliminates lots of things.

I also doubt the Kalpoes would have been included in this little disaster had they not had some sort of useful production role.  By now, a lot of people know what happened and yet still no one talking?

Signing off for today. . .


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 31, 2007, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: "sb"
That's a shame, Angie. A while back, if I remember right, he had a very nice girlfriend. Did something change?

People should realize that GIRLS can do the stalking thing as well as boys. It's scary.


  SB this BIMBO like my kid.. he wants nothign to do with her.. she stole ALL his books and a brand new coat out of his locker.. and guesss what? NOT a thing happend to her.. the frigign princiapl.. who I do admire.. is afraid of her. Shes on probabtion.. and alot had happened in the last 2 days.. I went to po po yesterday..  I have HAd it. My kid is NO ANGEL.. hes 6 ft 2,.,. and muscles.. tough kid.. to see him cry kills me..
  SIghhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 12:16:29 AM
Nite Anna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 31, 2007, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Angie


 Niters Klaas.. lol
  I wasn t gonna go to bed yet... but I better soon..  :D
  Have a great night all.


Nite Angie. I'm heading off to bed too.

Sweet dreams everyone.



 :evil:  I was gonna go to bed..  Ughhhhhhhh.. BS here now.  My kid has an evil bitch stalking him..  I am SO SICK of it.,.I just called 911.. and now waiting for a cop to  call me back.   :evil:   So much for going to damn bed.
 I wish I were 17 yrs old for 2 minutes..  I would kick the living shit out of the little bitch.  I am usually nice.. but this is getting OLD..   I am so sick of it all.


Gosh, Angie, I am so sorry!  Believe me I know how evil some of these girls can be! Teenage girls can really be viscious and nasty.


 Its sick.. it is.. Shes obsessed with my kid..  He is popular in school and good looking. <not  saying  that cause hes my son>
 I am so sorry for venting here...  :(  

TY Casa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 31, 2007, 12:25:09 AM
Angie, she doesn't "like" your son, she wants him for one reason or another. Either money, or an ego trip, or just spitefulness, but he has something she selfishly wants and she's mad 'cause she ain't gettin' it. Unless she is jealous of some other girl, which also makes them do this stuff.

I am convinced our kids nowadays are totally clueless about what real love and caring are. To them, "love" is a biological twinge. Nothing more.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on March 31, 2007, 12:30:00 AM
I am gonna go.. I got a NASTY email..  :evil:  :evil:  
 Said I sound like Anita?  
 I dont fuc**g  think so
 If my kid  does wrong. I know it and admit it.. and I have calked the damn cops on him MYSELF in the past. For using weed.. I wont put up with that crap.. not under my roof. He has been clean.. I get his butt drug tested.. and whomeevr sent me the email.. under a bogus name. you can go straight to hell.  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  

 Night all and I apologiize     :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 31, 2007, 12:36:00 AM
Hope things get better Angie. Keep fighting it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 12:37:40 AM
Angie~ Get a restraining order against the little delinquent.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 31, 2007, 12:40:57 AM
Kids scoff at restraining orders. They figure the cops have better things to do than pick up kids who violate them.

I would say that Angie should call the girl's family but, trust me, I can see them in my mind's eye being just as bad as the girl. Angie's not likely to find help there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 12:44:38 AM
Got a medical question. I have a good friend who has MS and is severely debilitated from it (no voluntary movement from chin down, and also cannot swallow without some aspiration) for several years. She has been having intestinal cramping. Colonoscopy shows no problem. Could it be the MS has effected the myelin sheath of the nerves that control the peristaltic movement?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 31, 2007, 12:46:15 AM
Eyelid check... they're drooping again.

Allergies aren't helping either. My left eye is almost swollen shut tonight. Any Monkeys considering ever moving to Natalee Country be warned: pollen is a KILLER in late March and early April around here.

Signing off for the evening!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 12:50:51 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Got a medical question. I have a good friend who has MS and is severely debilitated from it (no voluntary movement from chin down, and also cannot swallow without some aspiration) for several years. She has been having intestinal cramping. Colonoscopy shows no problem. Could it be the MS has effected the myelin sheath of the nerves that control the peristaltic movement?

I would say yes.  As I'm sure you know MS causes muscle spasms.  The cramping is most likely a spasm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 12:51:21 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Eyelid check... they're drooping again.

Allergies aren't helping either. My left eye is almost swollen shut tonight. Any Monkeys considering ever moving to Natalee Country be warned: pollen is a KILLER in late March and early April around here.

Signing off for the evening!

Nite SB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:03:05 AM
OK, I'm sorry but Medleyrelay really sets herself up for this.  She just responded to someone questioning what language Joran would speak in at home, thus probably write his diary in.  Keep in mind that Medley did go to Aruba around the time of Joran's birthday and did meet the family

Medleyrelay wrote:

Yes they do!!! almost all the time!!!  Even with an English speaking person right there, the are usually speaking Dutch!


This is what I pictured  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 31, 2007, 01:06:31 AM
Klaas!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:07:24 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I feel kindof guilty but doesn't she realize how crazy she sounds most of the time?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I feel kindof guilty but doesn't she realize how crazy she sounds most of the time?


She's a loon. That's my professional opinion, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:10:37 AM
Seriously - I saw her post and could picture them making fun of her in Dutch.  Of course, everything I invision is in photoshopped picture form, LOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on March 31, 2007, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I feel kindof guilty but doesn't she realize how crazy she sounds most of the time?

She loves the attention...any kind. Betcha she saves it...err...maybe without the bubble words.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:14:36 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Klaas!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


I feel kindof guilty but doesn't she realize how crazy she sounds most of the time?

She loves the attention...any kind. Betcha she saves it...err...maybe without the bubble words.


Wierd, I just got an error trying to post.

Anyway, what I was saying is she probably already has an autographed 8X10 glossy.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 01:21:08 AM
Good one, Klaas.  :lol:  :lol:

I consider that extremely rude  to talk in another language when there is someone present who does not speak the same language.  It happens a lot and I am sure the people of the ditch would be just that rude and arrogant.

Guess Angie has left now but just want to say :  Hang in there Angie.
Some of these rough "girls" you see around the malls and hotel corners make the "professional ladies" look like Pollyannas.  Tougher than many criminals.  Scary.

MS is a cruel infliction.  My hairdresser in Qld has daughter who was affected.  Finally diagnosed when she was in her late teens.  Up to then she had aced all her school exams and bright future ahead.  Now late 20s and in wheelchair and can barely speak.  Mother had to sell up her busy hair salon and just work from home when convenient.  It is hard to see any justice in what happens sometimes.  I do believe there is a levelling out of all good and evil done over several life times.  Karma.

BTW I took much longer than you do for shopping  :lol:  :lol:
Searching for chokky bilbies for Easter.  Only had milk chokky.  I like dark chokky.  Dayum!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 01:23:20 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
OK, I'm sorry but Medleyrelay really sets herself up for this.  She just responded to someone questioning what language Joran would speak in at home, thus probably write his diary in.  Keep in mind that Medley did go to Aruba around the time of Joran's birthday and did meet the family

Medleyrelay wrote:

Yes they do!!! almost all the time!!!  Even with an English speaking person right there, the are usually speaking Dutch!


This is what I pictured  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


clean up in aisle 8  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:25:33 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Good one, Klaas.  :lol:  :lol:

I consider that extremely rude  to talk in another language when there is someone present who does not speak the same language.  It happens a lot and I am sure the people of the ditch would be just that rude and arrogant.

Guess Angie has left now but just want to say :  Hang in there Angie.
Some of these rough "girls" you see around the malls and hotel corners make the "professional ladies" look like Pollyannas.  Tougher than many criminals.  Scary.

MS is a cruel infliction.  My hairdresser in Qld has daughter who was affected.  Finally diagnosed when she was in her late teens.  Up to then she had aced all her school exams and bright future ahead.  Now late 20s and in wheelchair and can barely speak.  Mother had to sell up her busy hair salon and just work from home when convenient.  It is hard to see any justice in what happens sometimes.  I do believe there is a levelling out of all good and evil done over several life times.  Karma.

BTW I took much longer than you do for shopping  :lol:  :lol:
Searching for chokky bilbies for Easter.  Only had milk chokky.  I like dark chokky.  Dayum!!


Yes, MS is very cruel.  My husband mother died from it, she had it bad like your hairdressers daughter.  My husband has it as well but he isn't as bad.  He has problems walking but has only gotten slightly worse over the last 5 years.  He's very lucky in that respect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:29:56 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 01:35:03 AM
My friend has been physically devastated by MS. Years ago, she had some difficulty walking, but managed with meds and getting sufficient rest. She came down with mono and could not get better with the immunosuppressants. Had to reduce dose/discontinue them in order to get over the mono. The MS viciously set in and brought her down. It's horrible. Beth was a star athlete in high school, very bright and is just a wonderful person.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:38:46 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
My friend has been physically devastated by MS. Years ago, she had some difficulty walking, but managed with meds and getting sufficient rest. She came down with mono and could not get better with the immunosuppressants. Had to reduce dose/discontinue them in order to get over the mono. The MS viciously set in and brought her down. It's horrible. Beth was a star athlete in high school, very bright and is just a wonderful person.

My husbands theory is that MS is more than one disease that they lump into one.  He thinks many of the immune disorders are caused by the chemicals we have been subjected to.  Some people can tolerate them better than others.

They have made very few strides in the area of MS, especially not for chronic progressive which is what my husband has.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 01:40:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Good one, Klaas.  :lol:  :lol:

I consider that extremely rude  to talk in another language when there is someone present who does not speak the same language.  It happens a lot and I am sure the people of the ditch would be just that rude and arrogant.

Guess Angie has left now but just want to say :  Hang in there Angie.
Some of these rough "girls" you see around the malls and hotel corners make the "professional ladies" look like Pollyannas.  Tougher than many criminals.  Scary.

MS is a cruel infliction.  My hairdresser in Qld has daughter who was affected.  Finally diagnosed when she was in her late teens.  Up to then she had aced all her school exams and bright future ahead.  Now late 20s and in wheelchair and can barely speak.  Mother had to sell up her busy hair salon and just work from home when convenient.  It is hard to see any justice in what happens sometimes.  I do believe there is a levelling out of all good and evil done over several life times.  Karma.

BTW I took much longer than you do for shopping  :lol:  :lol:
Searching for chokky bilbies for Easter.  Only had milk chokky.  I like dark chokky.  Dayum!!


Yes, MS is very cruel.  My husband mother died from it, she had it bad like your hairdressers daughter.  My husband has it as well but he isn't as bad.  He has problems walking but has only gotten slightly worse over the last 5 years.  He's very lucky in that respect.


Is it hereditary? Your husband is lucky that he is not so badly affected.  We went for haircuts one day when Virginia (the lass) was not so bad and she was in a terrible emotional state.  Her mother said she had just realised she would never get married and have children etc.  We forgot the hair cuts and just sat with her for hours talking and trying to comfort her.  Ever after that she always used to come out for a special talk when we went over, even if she had to get out of bed and be carried out.  I was sorry when we had to leave Qld but she was getting past even that by then.  Last I heard they have a full time carer for her as well as her parents.  She has 2 older siblings who are not affected according to medical tests.  I would be wary of having children if I were them though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 01:42:23 AM
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They have got to have a "secret" area.  Why all the secret areas?  What do people have to hide?


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In total there are 22 users online :: 3 Registered, 15 Hidden and 4 Guests  
Registered Users: Also_Dutch, Kafka, Kellan

Same with RU - everyone must be in their "secret" area or the Heated Exchange area.   :roll:



No,not much is going on in HE either.I doubt that many are just reading either.Got to be a seekrit room somewhere. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:44:12 AM
Yes, MS is heriditary.  When my husbands mother had her first attack she was about 19/20 and had just gotten married.  Her first attack left her blind but she got better.  She was diagnosed with MS but since she got better she asked her doctor if it was heriditary.  The doctor assured her it was not.  She was never the same after giving birth and my husband has MS.  She died quite young, in her 40's but was wheelchair bound for most of those years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
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They have got to have a "secret" area.  Why all the secret areas?  What do people have to hide?


Refugee's Unleashed

In total there are 22 users online :: 3 Registered, 15 Hidden and 4 Guests  
Registered Users: Also_Dutch, Kafka, Kellan

Same with RU - everyone must be in their "secret" area or the Heated Exchange area.   :roll:



No,not much is going on in HE either.I doubt that many are just reading either.Got to be a seekrit room somewhere. :D

I heard they do have a "secret" room..forget what it's called though (something stupid like the hidey hole)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:48:01 AM
FYI - not that it matters, but there are NO secret rooms at SM, not even for Red, Tom and I.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 01:51:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FYI - not that it matters, but there are NO secret rooms at SM, not even for Red, Tom and I.  :wink:


LOL..you guys are gonna have to do something about that then. :wink:

I knew RU had a private area to discuss other boards but didn't know what they called it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:53:15 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FYI - not that it matters, but there are NO secret rooms at SM, not even for Red, Tom and I.  :wink:


LOL..you guys are gonna have to do something about that then. :wink:

I knew RU had a private area to discuss other boards but didn't know what they called it.

I can barely handle what I've got...don't need another area, LOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 01:53:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yes, MS is heriditary.  When my husbands mother had her first attack she was about 19/20 and had just gotten married.  Her first attack left her blind but she got better.  She was diagnosed with MS but since she got better she asked her doctor if it was heriditary.  The doctor assured her it was not.  She was never the same after giving birth and my husband has MS.  She died quite young, in her 40's but was wheelchair bound for most of those years.


That is so tragic.  Virginia's parents said when she was early high school age they noticed she was getting clumsy.  Traipsed around many doctors over the years until they finally diagnosed it.  It just came on gradually. Some days better than others.
I agree with your husband that many conditions are brought about by chemicals, spraying and fertilising crops, contaminants and also innoculations.
The website I posted on the animal food recall thread also covers humans and there is a lot of very good reading about natural foods and treatments.
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 01:57:39 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
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They have got to have a "secret" area.  Why all the secret areas?  What do people have to hide?


Refugee's Unleashed

In total there are 22 users online :: 3 Registered, 15 Hidden and 4 Guests  
Registered Users: Also_Dutch, Kafka, Kellan

Same with RU - everyone must be in their "secret" area or the Heated Exchange area.   :roll:



No,not much is going on in HE either.I doubt that many are just reading either.Got to be a seekrit room somewhere. :D

I heard they do have a "secret" room..forget what it's called though (something stupid like the hidey hole)


My suggestion is  "the rat sewer"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:59:26 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yes, MS is heriditary.  When my husbands mother had her first attack she was about 19/20 and had just gotten married.  Her first attack left her blind but she got better.  She was diagnosed with MS but since she got better she asked her doctor if it was heriditary.  The doctor assured her it was not.  She was never the same after giving birth and my husband has MS.  She died quite young, in her 40's but was wheelchair bound for most of those years.


That is so tragic.  Virginia's parents said when she was early high school age they noticed she was getting clumsy.  Traipsed around many doctors over the years until they finally diagnosed it.  It just came on gradually. Some days better than others.
I agree with your husband that many conditions are brought about by chemicals, spraying and fertilising crops, contaminants and also innoculations.
The website I posted on the animal food recall thread also covers humans and there is a lot of very good reading about natural foods and treatments.
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com


Tibro - thanks for the link, I bookmarked it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 02:00:32 AM
I hope someone tells me if I get "written up" over there so I can apply for my medal.  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:00:57 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I hope someone tells me if I get "written up" over there so I can apply for my medal.  :evil:  :evil:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:08:27 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!  (or whoever is left :wink: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 02:13:27 AM
Klaas - another really good link is :

www.nexusmagazine.com

in the top banner click on "articles".  Amongst the "out there" articles you will find a lot of ones covering food dangers such as soy allergens, canola oil, margarine, aspartame as well as inoculations and pet food. etc.
One interesting one on Mycoplasma and how they think it can cause all sorts of conditions including MS which your husband might like to read also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 02:18:42 AM
Looks like I can start cleaning early tonight ......they have all gone and the night shift have not arrived yet.  Only 2 am ET - nearly time for Seamonkey to be up and about.
 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:22:20 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 05:52:10 AM
----

PAULUS AND HIS DISAPPEARING MEMORY

--- "POPPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW TENNIS BAG" ----

COMPARISONS WITH PAUL'S

3 DIFFERENT A.L.E. STATEMENTS

6/18
6/23
6/25

2005
---------------------

load alert!



6/18/05


On May 30th at approximately 08.00, I went to work.

snip

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front
of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki

**** so that he
could take tennis lessons and go to the gym.


>>>>He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him.


>>>> I saw him enter the building. He had told me that he would afterwards be going to the Wyndham Hotel because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament”
would be held.

I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys
and after that I went to bed. I do not remember having had contact with
Joran after that. We did make an agreement that he would call me after
the tournament was over, or that he would have someone drop him
off at the house after the tournament.






6/23/05


To your question what I did after 16.15 hours, I can state the
following. I think I dropped of Joran off at the “Raquet Club” at approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though.

 I cannot exactly remember anymore.


-RIGHHHHHHT.

To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Raquet Club”, I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside.

* on 6/18/2005 he say he saw him walk in.

NOW HE HAS AN ALZHEIMER'S ATTACK--

LOAD ALERT!

>>>
As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I
do not know for sure.




I can also remember he had told me that he
was going to enter the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham. I had told him that he could always call me
if he wanted to be picked up to go home. He said
that he would do this or that he would hitch
a ride home with someone.

To your question if I can remember what Joran had with him
when I dropped him off at the “Raquet Club”,
I can state the
following.

LOAD ALERT!

>>>
Every time that he goes to play tennis he has a sports
bag with tennis equipment with him. I cannot visually play back in
my own mind whether I actually saw him carrying the bag.

*** TRY SAM-E YOU DOUCHE BAG! =)


Sometimes Joran just went to work out at the “Raquet Club”. On those occasions he would not have his
tennis bag with him.

To your question on which days Joran followed tennis lessons,
I can state the following. According to me he certainly has them on
Monday.

* Monday is a tennis lesson day, you JUST SAID IT, you douche bag.
>>THIS DUDE CANNOT BEING THIS STUPID, it is not medically possible!!!!


(cont'd)



And there is one more day that he has lessons but I cannot
remember what exact day that is. Occasionally we have a joint lesson
with Jerry.



*** Someone get this ATHLETIC SUPPORTER a cookie he just remembered the instructors name. ding ding ding!

To your question whether we can ascertain whether I had
dropped off Joran in order for him to go to a tennis lesson,

I can state
the following.

 

*** elephant load alert coming up! Put on your gas masks, Monkeys!

---- time shifting

---
I took him there to either follow a tennis lesson or to go
to the gym. Whether he indeed took a tennis lesson or went to the gym
I cannot say because after I had dropped him off, I went home.


*** Dropping him off and going home quickly have absolutely no
    correlation with Paul-Ass knowing if his little INCUBUS, Joran
    OF OF THE BUTT, will be taking tennis lessons or not!!!!!

    I cannot believe this wheel-barrow load is STILL WALKING AROUND
    FREE TODAY. He should have been beaten severly with the largest        
    frozen salami someone could find.
   











##################


PAULUS HAS AN ATTACK OF THE OLD MEMORY BUG... AND THEN
MAGICALLY EVERYTHING GETS CLEAR AGAIN.


righhhhhht.


###################


6/25/05

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me.

*** He takes the tennis bag to Joran LEAVING THE CLUB
       AND HEADING TO WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE. THIS IS
      COMPLETELY BACKWARDS. UNLESS HE PICKED THE BAG
      UP FROM JORAN. That is the only way that trip would
      make sense in this situation.

Paulus

*** LOAD ALERT  coming up

He's time shifting now. Moving his time from 5p - 6 ish --- now to 8 pm.

No memory of Joran's bag... and now all of a sudden. OOPSIE MY BAD!!!!!!!!

(cont'd)

I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm
when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was
walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he
was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this
came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran

*** BULL-SHIZZLE /


Did you catch that? No language barrier here about the bag coming
or going...

he definitely says I TOOK THE BAG

>>> TO JORAN

Joran is going to gamble. He left the Racquet Ball Club.

Taking a bag to Joran at this time, wouldn't make sense
even to a dumb sack of methane gas Medley Relay @ the FOB
hole! LOL

(cont'd)

PAUL-ASS...

and then went
on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.
Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head,
but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these
things.




*** I vote that this guy goes to jail for JUST BEING A MORON. We can work the charges up from there!!!!

At the very least we should string him up & let Beth Twitty
continuously shoot him in his lunch sack with a Nerf Ball Gun.
ROFL!! :lol:

What a jerk.
----

(cont'd )

I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup
and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact.

On your question on what time did the above occur, I can explain to you the following:

The association of 08.00pm comes to me,
because I thought that the tournament
didn't start at 08.00pm?

On your question if I saw other friends of Joran at the
"Raquet Club" on that Monday night of May 30 2005,
I can explain to you the following:

I can't remember if I had seen Joran's friends.


********

Sorry GUY, THAT MEANS NO ALIBI.




********

THROUGHOUT THIS TIMELINE PAULUS DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ALIBI
AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!!

MUCH LESS THE FLASK OF DOG SNOT FOR A SON THAT HE'S GOT!!!

I REPEAT, JORAN IS ROAMING FREE WITHOUT A NET DURING THIS TIME PERIOD!!!!!!!!

& HE'S GOT A BIG ASS TENNIS BAG!!!!!!!! ...NO FRIENDS
IN TOW. He's LIVE & NATIONWIDE. Free to be burying,
bagging Natalee, whatever... nobody knows.



Am I the only one that sees some

real problems with this after Natalee's disappearance?


That lousy sack of carbon dioxide
deposits helped his son
get away with murder.

PERIOD


That bag was totally involved & it's a HUGE RED FLAG. imo

--end
[/color]



REVIEW OF PAUL'S 3 SEPARATE STATEMENTS

PROBLEMS

1. Joran had the bag in the first interview and walked in. By interview
    3 of 6/25/2005 He's taking the bag to JORAN after all tennis  lessons
   would be over @ 8p (although we know Joran effin skipped
   his tennis lesson  to boot)

  JORAN not only at this point doesn't need a tennis bag for his lesson.
   He's heading to gamble.

   IT NO MAKEY NO SENSIE, ESEY! PAULUS HAS HAD TOO MUCH
   WATER BONG TIME. MISHY WOULD BE SAYIN' PUT THE BONG DOWN
   MR. OF OF THE DITCH!!!!

  *** THIS BAG --- and all its' inconsistencies indicates to me there's
   something REALLY wrong & fishy going on. 5 BELLS ALARM HERE!!!!

 2. Paulus GETS WRONG at least twice that I can recall, maybe more,
     the time and the place where Joran supposedly asks him if he can
     go to the Wyndham to gamble. Once Joran asks, then Joran tells,
     once Joran is asking on the phone, once he's telling in person. One
     time it is before the lesson starts.... then it is at 8 pm. They're
     all over the road, like drunks.

     Joran gets it wrong all the time in his statements as well.

   3. PAULUS -- Has this unique memory on/off switch thing going
       on which makes hime appear to be dumber than an effin
        newt.

       He can't even remember the time he picks up Sebastian, HIS
       OWN DARN SON!!

       Yet this SWAMP LOAD remembers that Joran said Natalee's momma
       is the sister of.... blah.... the Kalpoes she said were slaves ... yada
       yada.... He can recall this like he's friggin "RAIN MAN"


       BUT... the bag is just such a cloudy thing to remember. FORGET IT!!!
       He's lying his twanger off. I am soooo over this over-perspiring,
       undulating, doughboy loser.


      ONE MORE @

      #4 Joran's original destination is the WYNDHAM but he goes
           to ARUBA GRANT for 15 mins, and then hits the WYNDHAM.
           He can't even reconcile THATTT story with his PARENTAL UNIT!

       What a economy-sized freshly cracked a$$. He make-a-me-sick.

NO STORY MATCHES AT THIS POINT - TIMELINE MELTDOWN.

...AND NO DOUBT THEY'RE DOING IT ON PURPOSE
TO THROW PEOPLE OFF.

Justice 4 Natalee
BOYCOTT ARUBA


*** :arrow:  over and out.


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 05:53:23 AM
GOOD MORNIN' MONKEYS

 :D

you rawk!


Title: Iams and Eukanuba dry pet foods
Post by: IBE on March 31, 2007, 06:27:23 AM
Carpe I can't get to sleep... glad you had the large letters to get me more awake :lol:

OT.. I just posted in the Lounge under the pet recall Thread an email I recd today from Iams and Eukanuba dry pet foods and one from Perina.

Klaas "they" think Fibromyalgia and Gulf War Syndrome are related to chemical exposure too. Could be from food source, insecticides, who knows?

When on location, each day some of the sets, especially the westerns would be sprayed with insecticides.

More each day I become more like Robots I only eat lettuce and eat out at one restaurant for 25 + yrs here... where you can see the kitchen as you walk in the back door.

They say this plastic resin causes toxicity in animals but not humans. From Homeopathic Medicine we know that just a very small amount can have an affect. I wonder what food manufactures in America buy their wheat from China?? Thinks it's time to start asking.

I tried for years to only buy things in glass containers in the grocery, but it became a lost cause... I really think plastic and food just don't go together!

Is the "Barf diet" ref. in the Thread on Pet food for real?:lol:  

Robots I'd buy your pet food and be glad to pay for the shipping! It's like Nonesuche's cookies... we know where they are coming from!

My dog has been giving me some dirty looks; I think he knows I am thinking of making my own pet food... now if I can just find the stove! :lol:

I owe library fines so won't be using their computers; so I will miss you all for about 7 days as computer will be under it's last days of AppleCare.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 06:27:26 AM
Natalee Eyes

  8)


http://tinyurl.com/26ud3e


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 31, 2007, 06:31:35 AM
Natalee's eyes

Yes and the Good Monkeys are still pressing for Justice for Natalee as we are helping being her "eyes". I hope I made sense with this..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 06:34:34 AM
hey IBE

thanks I will go have a look see on the pet food stuff.

good luck with the computer repair, so sorry

it'll be for a whole 7 days! :cry:

I know you'll be happy when it's
fixed though. :wink:


...later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 31, 2007, 07:58:34 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Leslie on March 31, 2007, 08:03:06 AM
From Diario:  American Tourist Killed
Turista a perde su bida tragicamente
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN)-- Ayera tardi un turista a perde subida tragicamente ora cu el a dal cu waverunner den otro waverunner cu su yiunan riba dje. E turista Cornelius Dennis Powers naci dia 14 di januari 1963 ta na Aruba cu su familia y awe mester a bolbe Merca.
Informacion cu a logra haya di e desgracia tabata cu e turista tabata riba un waverunner cu un yiu y dos otro yiu tabata riba otro waverunner. Den maniobranan riba lama, e dos aparatonan a dal den otro.
E impacto tabata asina fuerte cu e tata a haya golpinan y probablemente sangramento interno y cu ambulance a transporte mes ora pa hospital unda el a fayece...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 31, 2007, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: "robots"
This could result in a lot of problems for Joran.



thats a shame  8)


Boo freakin' hoo.

Couldn't happen to a more delicious sporter.

"Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing"  
Words to live by from Dr. Phil.

Good morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 08:19:34 AM
Good morning IBE-

I think I may switch to organic flour after this recall for my cookies, heading out now to buy some, it's just not worth the risk. Actually Saddam sprayed our troops at night with chemicals during the Gulf War, there was a fine mist in the air and it was proven it came from his planes and my Rick lived through that. His oncologist also said she felt sure his exposures in the war were accelerants for his cancer. Like you, I feel if melamine has that affect upon animals it's certain to have some impact on humans too. I keep remembering a pair of melamine plates with a mug that I got for my kids when they were young, one with horses on it and the other with boats. They so loved those little plates they ate off them everyday. Now I worry....

We will miss you and hope we can have an Easter party when you return.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 08:21:18 AM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/smileybunny1.gif) Hi Peaches, did you get my email last week? I hope you have a lot of R & R this weekend !!!!!

off to the store before the crowds start.......but don't time me, I'll never be as fast as Klaas  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 08:44:39 AM
Anna,a glaser round is plastic coated over liquid teflon and shot pellets inside.Angie,I wish there was something I could say to help.I have seen friends who have MS and it is really a bad desease.Autism is also on the rise,for unknown reasons.I posted a long time ago,that I felt Natalee became part of a snuff film.I don't think it was intended,it became.I have heard these float around in South America and the Netherlands.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 31, 2007, 08:50:21 AM
Yes, None, I got  your mail.  I must have been multi-tasking and forgot to email you back.  Happens all the time.  

Snuff films.
Hard to ponder early in the morning.  I've had the same thought many times.  Now there's a cottage industry one would just as soon keep under wraps!  And it's just far enough past regular dirty pictures to interest people like that.

Carpe and robots!  Love you two!  Love how you cut to the chase.  

Yes, it's terribly rude to speak another language in front of a non-speaker of aforementioned language.  I'm shocked and appalled that such a fine family with such lovely children (so well mannered, you know) would consider speaking Dutch in front of an English speaking visitor!  It used to annoy me at the nail salon but I knew they weren't talking about me.  (I asked).  I hope it keeps poor Med up at nite wondering what they were saying about her!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IBE on March 31, 2007, 08:52:45 AM
Thanks None Melamine (sp) is still being sold and the article said thos white foam erasers are made with the same stuff.

I am looking into hooks where I can hang plants on vinyl )sp) siding and thinking of getting those plant pouches where you can have several tomotoes, or several strawberries, or flowers in each one and just have them grow down sides of the trailer as I have very little ground.

Hoping Monkeys can gather more pet food recipies.

Actually, only 1 day left under Apple care so am going to ask them about some hard drive things, and the WiFi reception is harder since the computer was in last. Am going to miss AppleCare... can't afford anything that will happen from now on.

I have been very lucky.. perhaps  since 1982 have had about 9 Apples, 2 macs, 2 iBooks and this is the only one that I have ever had to have service one. so I have been blessed... but I expect less problems, hassles with a MAC.

I feel like I am sending a child off to camp... guess I'll just have to use my monkey time to clean the kitchen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 31, 2007, 08:57:35 AM
IBE, I was without a PC at home for a week and it drove the entire family nuts.  The Teen Princess nearly went into withdrawals.  I had to remember  to do all my important stuff while I was still at the office.  

Perhaps you can make some notes while  your Apple is away and update us when it comes home again.  I know I forget stuff if I don't have a list.  (LOL....like that's the best excuse I can come up with!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 09:02:23 AM
:shock:  :shock:  :shock:

ANOTHER AMERICAN TOURIST KILLED IN ARUBA? (diario)?



oh MAN.


How terrible.

Oh Mrs Marple!!!!???? You hear that


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Peaches on March 31, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
It looks like it involved someone born in 1963? and  had something to do with a waverunner?  

Waverunners are dangerous to start with in my opinion.  Of course, windsurfing is dangerous if you drift out too far and then someone has to swim out and get you.  :oops:  :roll:   I drove a jet-ski when I was younger and even tho it is a lotta fun, you have to pay attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 09:25:42 AM
Let's see...

Driving a Jetski in Aruba...

Isn't that kinda like lighting up a siggy on the Space Shuttle? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 09:29:58 AM
Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 09:31:45 AM
Oh Miss Lilly Carter had a great T-Shirt for Anita and Nadira-I should Have stayed a Virgin.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 31, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT

I agree with you Peaches.  Freddy is up to his eyeballs in what happened to Natalee.

Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who got everyone an attorney that first week including Freddy.  No need for an attorney if you aren't going to be suspected of something.

The two people we have not seen statements from are Guido and Freddy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 31, 2007, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Cat"
Just a random idea.Freddy is the Elder pimp,porn maker,south American..Hmmm Why only look at older adults,for Elder.Freddy could have turned the film from regular porn(rape,Bondage,Etc) to a snuff film and  gotten it out,imo I do see an Agatha Christie film involving joran someday,you know The Oriental Express.I had Shango Dreams last night,must have been the minnows,CAT

I agree with you Peaches.  Freddy is up to his eyeballs in what happened to Natalee.

Paulus Van der Sloot was the one who got everyone an attorney that first week including Freddy.  No need for an attorney if you aren't going to be suspected of something.

The two people we have not seen statements from are Guido and Freddy.

Oops I'm sorry I wrote Peaches instead of Cat.  Sorry Cat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/errret.png


A RIGHT ARM AND HAND


MARRIOTT BASIN


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 09:42:15 AM
ALTERNATE VIEW

TONED DOWN



---

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/?action=view&current=FDFDFFDFDD.png


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 09:45:05 AM
....AND


BLACK AND WHITE with guides


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/fdddfd.png


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 10:11:26 AM
A long time ago, Anita released home movies with the kids playing soccer, etc.  They were chatting with each other, on film, in English, with plenty of slang. Even little Sebastian. These "home" movies were old. IMO, the notes are Joran's, written in English.  The home movies, the ISA website, the tickle and zorpia, etc sites were all in English.  The kids think in English, NOT Dutch.  They spoke Dutch for Medley, the same reason they spoke Dutch or papiem to Natalee.  They didn't want either of them to understand what they were saying. Maybe they should have had a US English major teach the "AP English" class...or perhaps they did, but Joran, the sporter,  was permitted to slide. Mom comes through again.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 31, 2007, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
A long time ago, Anita released home movies with the kids playing soccer, etc.  They were chatting with each other, on film, in English, with plenty of slang. Even little Sebastian. These "home" movies were old. IMO, the notes are Joran's, written in English.  The home movies, the ISA website, the tickle and zorpia, etc sites were all in English.  The kids think in English, NOT Dutch.  They spoke Dutch for Medley, the same reason they spoke Dutch or papiem to Natalee.  They didn't want either of them to understand what they were saying. Maybe they should have had a US English major teach the "AP English" class...or perhaps they did, but Joran, the sporter,  was permitted to slide. Mom comes through again.  :?

You hit the nail right on the head Buckeye.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 10:33:12 AM
that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found  :lol: it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37084333.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 31, 2007, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
OK, I'm sorry but Medleyrelay really sets herself up for this.  She just responded to someone questioning what language Joran would speak in at home, thus probably write his diary in.  Keep in mind that Medley did go to Aruba around the time of Joran's birthday and did meet the family

Medleyrelay wrote:

Yes they do!!! almost all the time!!!  Even with an English speaking person right there, the are usually speaking Dutch!


This is what I pictured  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


 :smt023 I rotfflmaoooooo!! You may have hit the nail on the head! You crack me up! Loveeeeee it! :albino: Happy Easter 2 all Monkeysss!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found  :lol: it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37084333.gif)



Oh my gosh...that's exactly how I see San....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on March 31, 2007, 10:47:20 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
that buckeye is a smart one......good recall too !

San look what I found  :lol: it's you, even that hair, I know you've always been a radical at heart  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37084333.gif)


Oh my gosh...that's exactly how I see San....

Now if I can only be that skinny :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:51:46 AM
With those ole pistols,you are as skinny as you want to be,San.I think you are skinny.I don't mind being called other smarter monkeys,because it is a compliment.Why do always assume the Elders in Shango are a lot older.The Ottoman Empire was toppled by Younger and wiser Turks,for example.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 10:52:35 AM
Something interesting to re-read,someone reposted this on Freebird earlier...ahh the memories...lol..and SandraK seems to be in the middle of a lot of the drama,doesn't she?
~~~~

Maybe this is where all this came from. I found this at FOB - but it originally was on RU. Possible that this is where the notes have been - mentions all the "suspects" ref the transcripts.


Stinky Pete Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:42 am

STINKY SMELLS A RAT

For a woman who claims to be in the know, you could not be further from the truth. The question then becomes, are you lying on purpose or just sadly misinformed.

STINKY PETE aka ME, opened, upon the closure of RU, a small ultra private forum as a repository for information gathered by a few trusted sources.

NO ONE was invited to join that I did not have a long-standing and very trusting relationship with, and absolutely no one was asked for private information. I don't give a SHIT who you are in real life as long as you produce. Anyone who asserts something to the contrary is either lying or misinformed. Only those persons with access to information that was instrumental to the case were invovled. PERIOD. No one else, it's not a chat forum, it's for information compilation.

ONE trusted, VERY trusted member of my site has sadly become involved with TRIXIE who is currently scrambling to cover her ass and preserve her cover. It is apparently working on many people, but this old coot has seen one too many screw ups and lies by TRIXIE to be fooled.

Another very trusted member of my research group has been termed a MOLE by Trixie. Interesting, since my close asscociate has SOLELY worked with me in producing important information seeking JUSTICE for Joran and the K2 brothers and exposing the TWITS for what they are. A MOLE FOR WHAT AND WHO???? J2K???

Why would TRIXIE who is masquarading as a person seeking justice, attack someone closely associated with me as a MOLE. I got one thing to say about that, my pappy used to say that when you point a finger at someone you got FOUR POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU.

I got plenty to say on the subject, primarily the stupidity surrounding the LION'S DEN expose done by CLASSEN INVESTIGATIONS, a group TRIXIE has formerly associate herself and the idiotic insistance that that place is in any way sinister. I have never seen a bigger goat roping in my entire career. It's a collection of stupid in the largest possible way, they don't think.....in a way it is reverse kool-aid drinking.

As for the attacks on Sandrak by TRIXIE and the infantile lockouts...I must say I am MORE than profoundly disapointed in a person I truly trusted and thought the world of..her actions and associations in this whole mess are a source of sorrow for me. I adore Sandrak, and yes I know all the stories. I keep my fingers in all the pies. Has Sandrak told me she is Lorenzo's mother? Yes. Do I know or care what Sandrak's real name is or where she really lives? Do I give a flipping shit? Is it germain to what I am doing? NO. Thus I fail to see the interest in sandrak...except for ONE REASON and one reason ONLY. LORENZO VAN RINJI is the ONLY PERSON that HMI has not been able to pin down, the ONLY person they have not been able to openly defame or flame or gather information on. Sandrak and myself have both been the targets of that loonytune KATH'S vicious PMs (as vicious as a stupid woman can get I suppose). Taunting and threatening over this poor Aruban lad.

IF ANYONE is after Sandrak, it is SOLELY because they feel she is involved in some way with Lorenzo (honey it's your own fault ) and they are after LORENZO, thus anyone who is after or seeking information on LORENZO is patently HMI because those who are in the know, understand there isn't anything remotely interesting about LORENZO.

As for my little and I do mean LITTLE tiny information storage area open to ONLY those I have worked CLOSELY with gathering information (not sharing, not anything, but working) I have had people I barely know try to join and seem miffed, I have also had people I think a lot of ask me about it and every one has gotten the same answer, STINKY IS CLOSED except to information providers. It is not a forum, it is not a gossip corner...well I did have to make a place for a sweetie to complain (if I have to be honest).

I am PROFOUNDLY disapointed that someone I trusted implicitly has gone over to what I KNOW is the other side..the DARK SIDE. Think of it, someone I trusted implicitly is "turnable" then maybe I was wise to keep things small and on the QT. I sincerely hope that the person who was "turned" has kept her counsel on what is in the information pile, but having watched this horrible mess unfold my hope is not strong.

When people cannot keep their word it hurts not only them, but others. It is a character issue of the utmost importance. Ethics, morals, and other high ideals are as important to an individual as they are to humans as a whole, and when someone lets us down in this way it is very difficult to bear. A person who does not keep his or her word ain't worth jack SHIT to anyone.

There would be NO NEED for a heated exchange forum if people observed basic moral and ethical behavior, and it appalls me that i had to come here and BOTHER with a liar because my character and the nature of what I am "up to" have been impinged. Seriously ladies, get a )#(%&$ LIFE.

More to come. An expose on the HMI lies surrounding the LION'S DEN BULLSHIT.

And NO Pausebreak did not get a deed for STINKY PETE, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT where Sandrak lives. She didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance, hence her private life is of NO INTEREST TO ME. For TRIXIE to suggest that is despicable considering she knows EXACTLY why Pause posted the information that she did (something I understand Pause has explained FULLY). Trixie and her motives are beneath contempt and I'm here to call a lie a lie when I see it.

A person such as TRIXIE who has attacked the credibility of both GLENDA and SUBA JAP is HMI, PERIOD. Glenda's friend JULIA can sink and I do mean SINK the TWITS should she ever speak or write publicaly (like on GRETA) about the TWIT behavior on Aruba. AND I DO MEAN SINK. They have every interest in silencing her. SCUBA is the sweetest kindest, most honest upstanding lady and for me to hear that TRIXIE and her henchmen are attacking either of these ladies is reprehensible, and, again there can ONLY BE ONE MOTIVE. THE TWIT MOTIVE. I have to believe that the ONLY reason neither Scuba nor Julia have refrained from speaking publicaly about the TWIT behavior on Aruba is that they have agreed in some fashion to aid the FBI in their investigation of the family.

http://www.forumsdot.com/freebird/viewtopic.php?t=793&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 31, 2007, 11:03:52 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/31/

Quote
Turista a perde su bida tragicamente

ORANJESTAD(AAN)-- Ayera tardi un turista a perde subida tragicamente ora cu el a dal cu waverunner den otro waverunner cu su yiunan riba dje. E turista Cornelius Dennis Powers naci dia 14 di januari 1963 ta na Aruba cu su familia y awe mester a bolbe Merca.

Informacion cu a logra haya di e desgracia tabata cu e turista tabata riba un waverunner cu un yiu y dos otro yiu tabata riba otro waverunner. Den maniobranan riba lama, e dos aparatonan a dal den otro.

E impacto tabata asina fuerte cu e tata a haya golpinan y probablemente sangramento interno y cu ambulance a transporte mes ora pa hospital unda el a fayece.

Tabata basta despues di tur esaki cu polis a wordo informa di e desgracia locual ta di lamenta ya cu den casonan asina mes ora mester pone polis na altura di e desgracia.

Esaki a haci cu awor Strandpolitie ta buscando testigonan y personanan cu sa mas di e caso aki y por yama telefon 586-3003 pa duna informacion.

DIARIO tin entendi cu tramitenan ta ser haci pa Memento Mori manda e curpa Merca unda entiero lo tuma lugar.


Online Pap translation:

Quote
tourist owing to lose his life tragicamente

oranjestad(aan)-- yesterday {03/30?} tardi one tourist owing to lose subida tragicamente hour cu past owing to strike cu waverunner in another waverunner cu his yiunan on dje. the tourist cornelius dennis powers naci day 14 of january 1963 {44?} is at aruba cu his familia y today have to owing to go back merca.

informacion cu owing to succeed achieve of the desgracia was cu the tourist was on one waverunner cu one child y two another child was on another waverunner. in maniobranan on lama, the two aparatonan owing to strike in another.

the impacto was so strong cu the father owing to achieve golpinan y probably sangramento inner y cu ambulance owing to transporte self hour for hospital where past owing to fayece.

was enough after of all this cu police owing to wordo informa of the desgracia locual is of lamenta already cu in casonan so self hour have to place police at height of the desgracia. { ??? }

this owing to haci cu now strandpolitie is buscando testigonan y personanan cu know more of the caso here y can calling telephone 586-3003 for give informacion.

daily paper have entendi cu tramitenan is being haci for memento mori send the curpa merca where burial will take lugar.


There may be more than just an accident at first glance.  "Police at height of disgrace?" ?? Maybe it was a long time before the ambulance arrived?

Also notice that Diario doesn't include the usual "Condolences to the family" that usually ends one of these sstories ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:08:29 AM
greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?


Klaas it looks like he's saying Trixie to me,but others may see it differently.I know this is not the first time I've seen Trixie being accused of being HMI.
BTW-if you want to delete that post it won't bother me.I just thought it was interesting because of SK telling Pete sdhe was Lorenzo's mom..and right after that SK used the nic Astrid on RU for awhile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:17:42 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?


Klaas it looks like he's saying Trixie to me,but others may see it differently.I know this is not the first time I've seen Trixie being accused of being HMI.
BTW-if you want to delete that post it won't bother me.I just thought it was interesting because of SK telling Pete sdhe was Lorenzo's mom..and right after that SK used the nic Astrid on RU for awhile.


I honestly believe SandraK is tweeked.  She is NOT Astrid, and she is NOT Lorenzo's mom.  I still have my questions about Lorenzo  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
greeneyedlady - I can tell you I don't miss Stinkey Pete's posts.  I also remember seeing that.  So is he saying Trixie or someone else was the MOLE?


Klaas it looks like he's saying Trixie to me,but others may see it differently.I know this is not the first time I've seen Trixie being accused of being HMI.
BTW-if you want to delete that post it won't bother me.I just thought it was interesting because of SK telling Pete sdhe was Lorenzo's mom..and right after that SK used the nic Astrid on RU for awhile.


I honestly believe SandraK is tweeked.  She is NOT Astrid, and she is NOT Lorenzo's mom.  I still have my questions about Lorenzo  :wink:


I agree with you about SK,but she may have been able to get some inside info with her game playing.
I sure would like to know more about Lorenzo also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 31, 2007, 11:23:56 AM
What is "HMI" ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:24:36 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?

Holloway Media Inc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?


HMI-is what the pro-vds boards call us.Holloway Media Inc...LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:28:23 AM
msmarple - I'm trying to see if I can find more information on that waverunner incident.  Will post if I find anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?


HMI-is what the pro-vds boards call us.Holloway Media Inc...LOL


Yeah, and we monkeys get dividend checks from Red and Tom. I'm building an 8,000 square foot home on the 50 acres that I bought with my first check.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?


HMI-is what the pro-vds boards call us.Holloway Media Inc...LOL


Yeah, and we monkeys get dividend checks from Red and Tom. I'm building an 8,000 square foot home on the 50 acres that I bought with my first check.  :twisted:


OMG I forgot about that, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 31, 2007, 11:35:19 AM
GEL and klaas - thanks for the translation of HMI; I think I used to know that but went brain-dead.

The waverunner incident surely was an accident, but from the tone of the article (from what little I decipher) something was wrong with the handling of it.

Diario is running many articles these days about chollers ... a lot of public pressure to "do something" about this problem, probably stemming from the arrest of Michael Saldin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
:lol: hey justins you must have gotten a bigger check than me  :lol:

has anyone else heard the rumor that stinky may be related to dan riehl?  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:38:06 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
:lol: hey justins you must have gotten a bigger check than me  :lol:

has anyone else heard the rumor that stinky may be related to dan riehl?  :?


No, I hadn't heard that.  Actually, I really haven't heard anything about Stinky in a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?


HMI-is what the pro-vds boards call us.Holloway Media Inc...LOL


Yeah, and we monkeys get dividend checks from Red and Tom. I'm building an 8,000 square foot home on the 50 acres that I bought with my first check.  :twisted:


Well heck that's not fair,I haven't recieved a check yet.How long do we have to be monkeys to get the $$$$? :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:40:31 AM
well I guess I have to state for the record I only heard that sometime this year but cannot affirm any truth to it just so medley has the record correct as she seems to monitor every post made here lately  :lol:

nothing surprises me surrounding these forums anymore, nada  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:42:45 AM
all Red and Tom ever sent me was some bananas  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37072369.gif)

klaas check your email, you have some monkeys in there  :lol: but no bananas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
all Red and Tom ever sent me was some bananas  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37072369.gif)

klaas check your email, you have some monkeys in there  :lol: but no bananas

Got it thanks!  They must have just added those?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
all Red and Tom ever sent me was some bananas  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37072369.gif)

klaas check your email, you have some monkeys in there  :lol: but no bananas


Now, none, you know that it was the deed to a thriving banana plantation that they sent.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:44:34 AM
yep I think last week but I figure you can do some magic with them  :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
all Red and Tom ever sent me was some bananas  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37072369.gif)

klaas check your email, you have some monkeys in there  :lol: but no bananas


Now, none, you know that it was the deed to a thriving banana plantation that they sent.


oh silly me I forgot !!! They added the deed to a storefront for cookies for me too, what else did you get justins?  :wink:

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:45:33 AM
FOB and RU are all posting right now in their super secret hiding places.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB and RU are all posting right now in their super secret hiding places.   :lol:


A few are in HE on RU discussing SandraK's lastest breakdown... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Aruba: Protests against Chollers and the Drug Addition Problem in Aruba … Safety? … What about Natalee Holloway

www.scaredmonkeys.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/OneHappyChollerIsland2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on March 31, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
None - just sent you an email. Getting excited about my Cookie Day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:49:40 AM
is it just me or do these hideouts remind any of you of high school?  :lol: or maybe worse, junior high ?  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB and RU are all posting right now in their super secret hiding places.   :lol:


A few are in HE on RU discussing SandraK's lastest breakdown... :lol:


I bet!  Let us know if anything interresting is said, I don't have access  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
None - just sent you an email. Getting excited about my Cookie Day!


okay dokey, I'm excited too and happy to report those layered tulips seem to be arriving intact !!  :D We're using clouds of bubble wrap but it seems to be working !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB and RU are all posting right now in their super secret hiding places.   :lol:


A few are in HE on RU discussing SandraK's lastest breakdown... :lol:


I bet!  Let us know if anything interresting is said, I don't have access  :wink:


You got it :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 12:14:16 PM
Hmmm...if the HE and RU secret place contain info for on ongoing investigation....and pending US court cases....I wonder if the sites would be of interest to a University Forensic's study group...the computer/digital forensics group...hmmmmm... I do know of a Master's program....hmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
all Red and Tom ever sent me was some bananas  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/avatars/37072369.gif)

klaas check your email, you have some monkeys in there  :lol: but no bananas


Now, none, you know that it was the deed to a thriving banana plantation that they sent.


oh silly me I forgot !!! They added the deed to a storefront for cookies for me too, what else did you get justins?  :wink:

 :lol:  :lol:


Well, primarily the money in a certified bank check. I'm investing all of it into my dream home. The architect was quite expensive! The landscape designer's and gardener's fees are truly ridiculous, but I have more than enough left to beautifully furnish and decorate the home. Once it is all complete, there will be invites to mine and Frank's wedding on the estate. You remember Frank, none? Oh! Do you and Hat still wish to have a double ceremony?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 12:28:29 PM
What would be hysterically funny is if the majority of posters at RU are actually moles, and the suspects and their allies have trusted them all along.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "msmarple"
What is "HMI" ?


HMI-is what the pro-vds boards call us.Holloway Media Inc...LOL


Yeah, and we monkeys get dividend checks from Red and Tom. I'm building an 8,000 square foot home on the 50 acres that I bought with my first check.  :twisted:

Hey, I never got a cent. Does it depend on how many words or content ?
Or did I check the voulnteer box on the Monkey application form instead of paid monkey ? I'm going for back pay. I'll hire Joe T, he works for free to grieve this ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 12:41:59 PM
Maybe we could settle out of court Klaasend. I called Joe T's Toll Free
1-800-I-Am-Guilty and pressed his extention of Gimme-Munnie but we were disconnected. As soon as I said the word Monkey, the line went dead.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Maybe we could settle out of court Klaasend. I called Joe T's Toll Free
1-800-I-Am-Guilty and pressed his extention of Gimme-Munnie but we were disconnected. As soon as I said the word Monkey, the line went dead.


ROFLMAO!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 12:54:36 PM
Here is an explanation of HMI by Writergal at HE.(she is joking of course)
There are those out there that truly believe this BS-IMO:
~~~~
Well, for those who believe in it, HMI is apparently twice as big and six more times powerful than the CIA and the KGB combined.

If there is anything resembling an HMI, it's just a bunch of nuts on a few blogs promoting Beth's interests.

Of course you realize that I am only saying this to deflect your suspicions. I myself am Deputy Chief Propagandist for HMI, and I have sent my crack troop of elite secret operatives to Oranjestad to stage a coup. They will first be taking over all Aruban radio and televisions stations, which will play, nonstop, "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Freebird", plus re-runs of "Designing Women." Next, all statues of Queen Beatrix will be replaced by statues of Beth Twitty, or whatever she's calling herself these days. (Memo to self: call Beth and check!) Nelson Oduber will be exiled and Joe Mammana will be installed as Prime Minister. John Q. Kelly will be made Chief Prosecutor. The national anthem will become "Dixie." The Van der Sloot residence will be seized and turned into a collard greens processing plant.

Please don't tell anyone I have told you this. It's essential that the plan remain secret.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Maybe we could settle out of court Klaasend. I called Joe T's Toll Free
1-800-I-Am-Guilty and pressed his extention of Gimme-Munnie but we were disconnected. As soon as I said the word Monkey, the line went dead.


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
CHARLIERAT - BS, ArbeeJ was never banned at SM.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 01:06:35 PM
Did we ever find out who took the publisher to court and the result ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Did we ever find out who took the publisher to court and the result ?


We are reading that there is a gag order on the result of the court hearing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 01:14:48 PM
The whole thing is a "gag". But TY, I did look but found the same thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 01:24:31 PM
Speaking of "gag"...LOL..gag me with a spoon!

medley just posted this at FOB.

JR is stronger and has more character and dignity than many and most of the other boards. He has never forgotten why we are all here. It is about Innocent until Proven guilty. And his defense of justice. That is why I am here and that is why JR has FOB.

It is not about board wars, or internet posters or all these personal vendettas against one another --it is about the case. As long as FOB is open I will defend JR and what he is doing. Hopefully most of you that post here will too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Speaking of "gag"...LOL..gag me with a spoon!

medley just posted this at FOB.

JR is stronger and has more character and dignity than many and most of the other boards. He has never forgotten why we are all here. It is about Innocent until Proven guilty. And his defense of justice. That is why I am here and that is why JR has FOB.

It is not about board wars, or internet posters or all these personal vendettas against one another --it is about the case. As long as FOB is open I will defend JR and what he is doing. Hopefully most of you that post here will too!

She said the same thing about Roger too, until............ :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 01:35:31 PM
Oh, fix me a shot of IPECAC, Med-head Re-Ray

That ol' dirty buzzard bonzer! She needs to

to do something, but I shouldn't say WHAT.

I betcha she hasn't had a date since the Beegees

were at #1 on the US charts.
:lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 01:38:51 PM
More like... innocent until proven. STUPID!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Speaking of "gag"...LOL..gag me with a spoon!

medley just posted this at FOB.

JR is stronger and has more character and dignity than many and most of the other boards. He has never forgotten why we are all here. It is about Innocent until Proven guilty. And his defense of justice. That is why I am here and that is why JR has FOB.

It is not about board wars, or internet posters or all these personal vendettas against one another --it is about the case. As long as FOB is open I will defend JR and what he is doing. Hopefully most of you that post here will too!

She said the same thing about Roger too, until............ :lol:  :lol:


I'd forgotten about Roger :D Too much drama to keep up with. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Man!


So, on second read...sounds like JR had a "Come To Meeting"

with Miss Sea Biscuit 1957.  :P Goody on him!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:14:09 PM
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker



They probably got some damaging info about the Sporter's

Book Scandal... & they are trying to figure out how to

mitigate damages & deal with it. :P   It's all about the spin for them!

HOW DO YOU DEFEND, THE INDEFENSIBLE?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker



They probably got some damaging info about the Sporter's

Book Scandal... & they are trying to figure out how to

mitigate damages & deal with it. :P   It's all about the spin for them!

HOW DO YOU DEFEND, THE INDEFENSIBLE?


RU is doing the same.  Everyone is either in the Heated Exchange area or their secret forum area.  I find it rather humerous.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker



They probably got some damaging info about the Sporter's

Book Scandal... & they are trying to figure out how to

mitigate damages & deal with it. :P   It's all about the spin for them!

HOW DO YOU DEFEND, THE INDEFENSIBLE?


RU is doing the same.  Everyone is either in the Heated Exchange area or their secret forum area.  I find it rather humerous.  :lol:



secret hiding places...........hehehehe

joran do this, joran do that

joran tell your LIES, this WAY  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 31, 2007, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker


Cripes. I hope the "walls" are padded in that place!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Artcolley on March 31, 2007, 02:24:09 PM
Sounds like a convention of nutters.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


Carpe - I hope you are right.  I am hearing that many we thought were pro-Joran are rethinking their allegiance now  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 02:25:40 PM
Maybe the gag order and bad news is that the book bored several people to death.   :roll: Perhaps it is a sort of safety recall??


. . . . Enjoying my Godiva coffee and some of Nonesuche's beautiful and delicious cookies here. . . Let's see. . .shall I have the bunny next or the chocolate Easter egg?. . . Decisions, decisions!!

Sorry, just had to mention how much I am enjoying them but wonder if I will actually have any left for Easter!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


me too carpe, me too.

cant wait, i may buy pizzas for all us when the SNEAKER drops  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


Carpe - I hope you are right.  I am hearing that many we thought were pro-Joran are rethinking their allegiance now  :wink:



PRO JORAN ......they will be hating his guts soon enough  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


me too carpe, me too.

cant wait, i may buy pizzas for all us when the SNEAKER drops  8)




Will you quiz your pizza guy first to see if he uses GERM-X before

and after the making of the pizza? LOL  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:31:44 PM
Hey Hey Anna,


Enjoy the cookies and coffee! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
Doesn't JR Dutch Atty at FOB claim to live in Arizona? :lol:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ArizonaNutHouse2copy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:35:17 PM
Klaas fix it please I meant Trixie wrote not Glenda.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:36:20 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:37:33 PM
GEL - fixed in your post and my quote  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
I tell ya Klaas,


there's a bomb out there waitin' to drop...

and it is horrendous for the Van der Loons.

We just haven't tapped into yet.

I feelsssss it in my bones... ek ek ekk ekkk  - Popeye


me too carpe, me too.

cant wait, i may buy pizzas for all us when the SNEAKER drops  8)




Will you quiz your pizza guy first to see if he uses GERM-X before

and after the making of the pizza? LOL  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


yep, i figure the 600 degree oven kills most of the germs
i will make my own and buy the rest for you guys  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


TY for fixing my mess up.
I would not either..just think this may have been a set-up that these notes were posted at this time.Just can't figure why now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 02:39:40 PM
ROFL Klaas,


So that is the secret headquarters!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


When those notes were obtained, we would not have been able to compare the lies that we are able to now.  My question is if Julia Renfro gave them to StinkyPete, how did Julia obtain them?  Was this a criminal act by Julia or did Joran give them to her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


TY for fixing my mess up.
I would not either..just think this may have been a set-up that these notes were posted at this time.Just can't figure why now.

I really think the only reason "why now" is because SandraK snapped  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 02:45:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


TY for fixing my mess up.
I would not either..just think this may have been a set-up that these notes were posted at this time.Just can't figure why now.

I really think the only reason "why now" is because SandraK snapped  :lol:



snapped like a broken knee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


TY for fixing my mess up.
I would not either..just think this may have been a set-up that these notes were posted at this time.Just can't figure why now.

I really think the only reason "why now" is because SandraK snapped  :lol:


That is a good excuse for this,but JR left those up there too long if he didn't want those notes out there.

On it being his computer hacked-I don't believe that,I think we would have heard about it before now.JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Over at HE,it's being said Joran may have gave Glenda aka Julia Renfro these notes and then Glenda passed them on to Stinky Pete.If so I still wonder why they are just being posted for all to see?Oh and Trixie confirms these notes were on Pete's board and Glenda was a member.

Trixie wrote speaking of Glenda here:
She was one of the members on Pete's board where they were posted.


It would not surprise me at all to find out the Glenda (Julia Renfro) is the origin of the notes.


TY for fixing my mess up.
I would not either..just think this may have been a set-up that these notes were posted at this time.Just can't figure why now.

I really think the only reason "why now" is because SandraK snapped  :lol:


That is a good excuse for this,but JR left those up there too long if he didn't want those notes out there.

On it being his computer hacked-I don't believe that,I think we would have heard about it before now.JMO

I think JR realized they had already been copied by the time he saw them anyway.  

I agree, this has nothing to do with hacking Joran's computer,  we would have heard about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:48:41 PM
GEL - maybe JR left them up until the "authorities" could copy them??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
GEL - maybe JR left them up until the "authorities" could copy them??


That could be the reason...if you believe someone hacked his computer or someone stole these notes somehow.AND I may be reading too much into this...LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
GEL - maybe JR left them up until the "authorities" could copy them??


That could be the reason...if you believe someone hacked his computer or someone stole these notes somehow.AND I may be reading too much into this...LOL

I believe JR may have been told the notes were stolen.  JR would have contacted the Sloots and then maybe ALE.  The problem is that the notes are probably not stolen at all.  That is their dilemma now.  They have sicked the cops on whoever "stole" those notes when they weren't stolen but probably given to someone over a year ago.  Since that time we have the statements and many other interviews to compare the changing story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker

That Kat123 is NOT ME !!! I am not a double agent.
And Carpe, watch it, Ms. MR has Joe T on speed dial  and he does answer ! ! Well, Maybe he doesn't.   :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on March 31, 2007, 02:58:23 PM
Oh and Writergal wrote the Cracking my brain thread on FOB is more like My brain on crack :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker

That Kat123 is NOT ME !!! I am not a double agent.
And Carpe, watch it, Ms. MR has Joe T on speed dial  and he does answer ! ! Well, Maybe he doesn't.   :oops:  :oops:

I know it's not you silly.  There is a CAT that posts at RU that is not OUR Cat also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Oh and Writergal wrote the Cracking my brain thread on FOB is more like My brain on crack :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "klaasend"
FOB  :lol:  They appear to be very busy in their "top secret" forum area  :lol:

33 users online (30 members, 3 guests, 14 invisible).
The list of members online:
JR-Dutch Attorney in USA- (Administrator), Barney, Kat123, HannieC, scubajap, medleyrelay, fried, wvgirl, utah, prairiedoc1, cassidy, prolific2, DocTar, Constantpeace1, Knipoog, FOB_Lurker

That Kat123 is NOT ME !!! I am not a double agent.
And Carpe, watch it, Ms. MR has Joe T on speed dial  and he does answer ! ! Well, Maybe he doesn't.   :oops:  :oops:

I know it's not you silly.  There is a CAT that posts at RU that is not OUR Cat also.



I betchaaa he makes her talk dirty to him. No wait, the other way around!!!!  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 03:03:42 PM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/jerryTERRIVANDERSLOOT.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 03:09:10 PM
ANYONE NEED A GOOD TOW TRUCK


Call PAPITO BUTTERFLY'S - DIRTY HAND EXPRESS & TOW



Triple A Accepted Depending UPON HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GAWT!!!

— ‘PAPITO TOWING?’

http://tinyurl.com/27c8pz

http://tinyurl.com/2n9sX6


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
That is of course ARUBA'S

"DIRTY HANDS"

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH

"DIRTY NOSE"

http://tinyurl.com/y25t3s


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
GEL - maybe JR left them up until the "authorities" could copy them??


That could be the reason...if you believe someone hacked his computer or someone stole these notes somehow.AND I may be reading too much into this...LOL

I believe JR may have been told the notes were stolen.  JR would have contacted the Sloots and then maybe ALE.  The problem is that the notes are probably not stolen at all.  That is their dilemma now.  They have sicked the cops on whoever "stole" those notes when they weren't stolen but probably given to someone over a year ago.  Since that time we have the statements and many other interviews to compare the changing story.


I think he left them up until Anita or Joran could see them.  He wouldn't have wanted to risk sending them in email.  As soon as they were done...poof...No way did any of them contact ALE.  He still had written that he saw the maid at 4pm on Monday and she states she only works until noon.  He states the HI lie was his.  No way would they revisit those issues.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
GEL - maybe JR left them up until the "authorities" could copy them??


That could be the reason...if you believe someone hacked his computer or someone stole these notes somehow.AND I may be reading too much into this...LOL

I believe JR may have been told the notes were stolen.  JR would have contacted the Sloots and then maybe ALE.  The problem is that the notes are probably not stolen at all.  That is their dilemma now.  They have sicked the cops on whoever "stole" those notes when they weren't stolen but probably given to someone over a year ago.  Since that time we have the statements and many other interviews to compare the changing story.


I think he left them up until Anita or Joran could see them.  He wouldn't have wanted to risk sending them in email.  As soon as they were done...poof...No way did any of them contact ALE.  He still had written that he saw the maid at 4pm on Monday and she states she only works until noon.  He states the HI lie was his.  No way would they revisit those issues.

Good point, more likely waiting on Joran and Anita or Paulus than ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 03:35:32 PM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/fobbys.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 31, 2007, 03:56:51 PM
Just wanted to say hi.

Buckeye---still love the starfish and the old man story.....

Klass----any monkeys have any ideas on the # look up thing???
will check back..client here  ty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Just wanted to say hi.

Buckeye---still love the starfish and the old man story.....

Klass----any monkeys have any ideas on the # look up thing???
will check back..client here  ty

FOM - no answers yet on your phone number look up question and what services are best.  I'm assuming you already have caller ID?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 04:20:27 PM
gosh have those folks at those sites spent all afternoon in those private areas? way too pretty outside, altho we do have pollen coating everything it's still a pretty day.

justins, I think Hat found another, last time he emailed I recall something about babes having moved in next door  :lol: glad to know Frank's in on the planning of the new estate you're building !

FYI, a site daughter says reviews all dog foods is www.dogaware.com  , we just picked up a brand of dry food for both dog and cats that has only 'human grade' ingredients and is reasonably priced.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 04:21:50 PM
oh and Anna thank you for your sweet comment too {{ hug }}

I think I need to eat a cookie, want one Klaas, buckeye? passing the cookies.......



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh and Anna thank you for your sweet comment too {{ hug }}

I think I need to eat a cookie, want one Klaas, buckeye? passing the cookies.......



 :lol:

Not right now, I'll save it for later  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 04:27:07 PM
oh Klaas is holding out for ice cream  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh and Anna thank you for your sweet comment too {{ hug }}

I think I need to eat a cookie, want one Klaas, buckeye? passing the cookies.......



 :lol:


Chocolate please ...and...one of little none's little cakes....I'm splurging


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2007, 04:35:38 PM
FOM

The starfish story is one of my favorites. I wear a small silver starfish on my shirt, at work.  Glad you liked it.  I don't know the author.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh and Anna thank you for your sweet comment too {{ hug }}

I think I need to eat a cookie, want one Klaas, buckeye? passing the cookies.......



 :lol:


Chocolate please ...and...one of little none's little cakes....I'm splurging


too funny buckeye, we can have a tea party  :D I won't tell how many cookies anyone eats either  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/fobbys.png)

That is a smart cat. And we know that they know things. If yer cat don't like someone there is a good reason. They can usually smell out the nutters.
Our family doggie knew who was bad and good. One time he bit ( not hard enuf if you get the drift ) the ex. Just ran down the sidewalk and met him and did it ! !  Must have read my mind.
Good doggie. He got a biscuit x 3 that day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on March 31, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
FOM

The starfish story is one of my favorites. I wear a small silver starfish on my shirt, at work.  Glad you liked it.  I don't know the author.


TY KLASS AND BUCKEYE......

klass...i think i am just gonna look into becomming a PI.  serious.
i want to learn to carry, and being such a dumb blonde monkey
 :lol:  no one would suspect me of being an undercover.........really.....kinda bored with present job...wondering what i want to be when i grow up  :lol:  turning big 36 on monday.

can't stay....love to da monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on March 31, 2007, 07:32:21 PM
Kat~ You are correct about kitties knowing who is good and who is not! My now gone Emily adored my mother and one of my boyfriends. She hated one guy that I dated. She would climb on top of the fridge and scream when he passed by.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 08:43:02 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A beautiful sunny Sunday morning here.  Noticed while driving around during the week that the trees are starting to change colour for autumn.  A lot of English trees here - not all gum trees!
I have been over and left an apology for that hoax email.  It really pissed me off as it means we give these types of warnings less credence the more hoax ones we get and could miss a genuine one.  Can't these idiots find something better to do with their time and energy.  How about getting a job and doing something useful?
Klaas -I guess you saw the second site address I left for you AFTER you signed out?
I thought it was a secret we all get paid for contributing here - I get an extra bonus for each picture I post of Australia and double bonus for Koala photos.
Loved the story of Justin's kitty and the boyfriend.  My German Shepherd Dog sussed all my acquaintances out and she was spot on. I got a bit lazy and just let her sort people into friend or foe.  Justins - my DH was the first male she let in the door when I was dating.  Nearly 25 years later and I still agree with her judgement.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 09:02:02 PM
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Kat~ You are correct about kitties knowing who is good and who is not! My now gone Emily adored my mother and one of my boyfriends. She hated one guy that I dated. She would climb on top of the fridge and scream when he passed by.


robots always can tell good from bad

 :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D



LOL

i get you a battery powered ROBOTIC one... 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


You would need as many gum trees as Anna has bamboo canes  :lol:  :lol:
They eat a lot for their size.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D



LOL

i get you a battery powered ROBOTIC one... 8)


TY Robots. And will the robotic one be soft and cuddly?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


You would need as many gum trees as Anna has bamboo canes  :lol:  :lol:
They eat a lot for their size.


Maybe I could just feed it all this wild privet hedge around my house. It would save buying those goats I keep talking about getting.  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


You would need as many gum trees as Anna has bamboo canes  :lol:  :lol:
They eat a lot for their size.


Maybe I could just feed it all this wild privet hedge around my house. It would save buying those goats I keep talking about getting.  :P


I have never seen a Koala perched in a privet hedge  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


I have never seen a Koala perched in a privet hedge  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Well, I have some wild privet hedge that a whole herd of koalas could perch in! We just need to introduce them to some.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


You would need as many gum trees as Anna has bamboo canes  :lol:  :lol:
They eat a lot for their size.
So cute and cuddly looking!! Hi Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on March 31, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Sorry if it's seems that I am barging in ~ Hello Everyone...

Klaas:

Do you know why 10061906 is leaving, which I assume means that he isn't going to be posting anymore?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


I have never seen a Koala perched in a privet hedge  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Well, I have some wild privet hedge that a whole herd of koalas could perch in! We just need to introduce them to some.  :wink:


If the opossums won't eat it you couldn't expect koalas to relish it much


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 09:22:20 PM
Elaine - you know that link you found of Joran's train graffiti site?  I think Red may do a FP post and use it  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:24:34 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


I have never seen a Koala perched in a privet hedge  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Well, I have some wild privet hedge that a whole herd of koalas could perch in! We just need to introduce them to some.  :wink:


If the opossums won't eat it you couldn't expect koalas to relish it much


Well darn it!!!! I guess there will be goats in my future after all. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 09:27:39 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D



LOL

i get you a battery powered ROBOTIC one... 8)


TY Robots. And will the robotic one be soft and cuddly?  :lol:


that might be a problem  :lol:
but i will see what i can do  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - you know that link you found of Joran's train graffiti site?  I think Red may do a FP post and use it  :wink:
That is cool! I was thinking about that today, about how he just seems to love criminal activity, and thumbing his nose at the law.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - you know that link you found of Joran's train graffiti site?  I think Red may do a FP post and use it  :wink:
That is cool! I was thinking about that today, about how he just seems to love criminal activity, and thumbing his nose at the law.

I made some train graffiti modifications that I think you all will like.  Don't want to ruin it by posting now though.  Hopefully Red will post it tonight.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on March 31, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
Sending waves to that lurking Lala's  :smt006  :smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - you know that link you found of Joran's train graffiti site?  I think Red may do a FP post and use it  :wink:
That is cool! I was thinking about that today, about how he just seems to love criminal activity, and thumbing his nose at the law.

I made some train graffiti modifications that I think you all will like.  Don't want to ruin it by posting now though.  Hopefully Red will post it tonight.  :wink:
I hope he does too, can't wait to see your souped up version.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Elaine - you know that link you found of Joran's train graffiti site?  I think Red may do a FP post and use it  :wink:
That is cool! I was thinking about that today, about how he just seems to love criminal activity, and thumbing his nose at the law.

I made some train graffiti modifications that I think you all will like.  Don't want to ruin it by posting now though.  Hopefully Red will post it tonight.  :wink:
I hope he does too, can't wait to see your souped up version.. :D

He seems to be out somewhere at the moment but hopefully will post when he returns.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:07:14 PM
Klaas, it is awfully quiet in here tonight. I guess being a weekend and all. I saw where Patti posted that the fp poster- 10061906 is leaving , so I went and read the fp comments, he did say he is leaving . He will be missed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, it is awfully quiet in here tonight. I guess being a weekend and all. I saw where Patti posted that the fp poster- 10061906 is leaving , so I went and read the fp comments, he did say he is leaving . He will be missed!

He sounded like he's taking a break from it all.  I know he at one time had some health issues.  He wants to send me or Red all his info, trying to figure out how he can do that.  I'll have to try to email him.  I don't have a PO Box like he was asking.  

Yes, he will be missed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, it is awfully quiet in here tonight. I guess being a weekend and all. I saw where Patti posted that the fp poster- 10061906 is leaving , so I went and read the fp comments, he did say he is leaving . He will be missed!


Didn't he leave for a few months before for health reasons?  I always enjoy his posts.  They make a lot of sense and I think he is on the right track for a lot of answers to this puzzle.  Will miss his posts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 10:13:05 PM
O/T

I hate to sound like a broken record but I have posted updates in the lounge of the Pet food recall as more brands are added and now treats involved as well.

I also posted a list of foods that are SUPPOSEDLY OK but just yesterday, Del Monte was supposed to be OK and then today they start their own recalls!  So while a food may be listed as OK today, tomorrow it may be on the list being recalled for some dreadful contaminant!

Lots of people may be trying to find something safe to feed their pets or taking them to the vet, etc.  

Wassup with all this with the pet food???  How can all of it in the country suddenly be contaminated??  Is this same wheat gluten or some wheat products in the human food chain as well?  

 :(  :evil:  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:13:53 PM
I'mmmmm Back.Spent 7 hours in the car with my loving Polar bear,Watching me now,and it was a great trip.I love to shop.I didn't know women had so many choices in white shoes,wow.That is not me posting at the pos place.Carpe,where did you get my picture.I do know bad people by smell,like any vds.I would love to ask Klass a question,but am to tired.Yellow rain,yeah.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 10:15:28 PM
I love Koalas. A wub affair for a long time with those bears.
Had a mumma and three baby ones when I was ten as a present from my Dad for Christmas. I would line them up on the pillows every night,
say my prayers and then would fall asleep talking their ears off. They never said How boring is that ! OR Speed it up willya ? OR You just said that !
I had them forever and only had to let them go when they became totally furless !
At the time, I really did think they were sort of real because THEY understood ! !
Robots, I would like the Furby thing except as a Koala bear, ok ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
Oh,I have an pobox,ihate aruba,.ueatme,12321.Goats are fun BT.Good milk and and fur,plus they love Kudzu,which they eat CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:18:31 PM
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I love Koalas. A wub affair for a long time with those bears.
Had a mumma and three baby ones when I was ten as a present from my Dad for Christmas. I would line them up on the pillows every night,
say my prayers and then would fall asleep talking their ears off. They never said How boring is that ! OR Speed it up willya ? OR You just said that !
I had them forever and only had to let them go when they became totally furless !
At the time, I really did think they were sort of real because THEY understood ! !
Robots, I would like the Furby thing except as a Koala bear, ok ?
LOL about them becoming totally furless. Sounds like they were well loved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T

I hate to sound like a broken record but I have posted updates in the lounge of the Pet food recall as more brands are added and now treats involved as well.

I also posted a list of foods that are SUPPOSEDLY OK but just yesterday, Del Monte was supposed to be OK and then today they start their own recalls!  So while a food may be listed as OK today, tomorrow it may be on the list being recalled for some dreadful contaminant!

Lots of people may be trying to find something safe to feed their pets or taking them to the vet, etc.  

Wassup with all this with the pet food???  How can all of it in the country suddenly be contaminated??  Is this same wheat gluten or some wheat products in the human food chain as well?  

 :(  :evil:  :(


dont eat out

make your food at home



i see everything  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T

I hate to sound like a broken record but I have posted updates in the lounge of the Pet food recall as more brands are added and now treats involved as well.

I also posted a list of foods that are SUPPOSEDLY OK but just yesterday, Del Monte was supposed to be OK and then today they start their own recalls!  So while a food may be listed as OK today, tomorrow it may be on the list being recalled for some dreadful contaminant!

Lots of people may be trying to find something safe to feed their pets or taking them to the vet, etc.  

Wassup with all this with the pet food???  How can all of it in the country suddenly be contaminated??  Is this same wheat gluten or some wheat products in the human food chain as well?  

 :(  :evil:  :(


Anna this is such a worry for pet owners and also must be considered for human foodstuffs.  It seems criminal that we let all our food growers go out of production because we are importing inferior  stuff from goodness knows where but certainly countries that do not follow handling and chemical restraints imposed here for safety reasons.  Now we are seeing the repercussions of buying everything used in foodstuffs as cheaply as possible and never mind the consequences.  Leave the fruit and vegetables rot in and on the ground and send our money overseas to help our balance of payments.
They even import fish that has been kept in waters filled with sewerage and pass them off as local varieties.  
It is high time the powers that be got their act together and started to consider the health and wellbeing of their own citizens.
I take the liberty of saying "we" as the same principles apply here.  No pet food recalls yet but it has to be only a matter of time.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.
Sounds like maybe he printed everything out onto paper. If he wants to send it in the mail.Wow, that is commitment!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Marlee on March 31, 2007, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Oops - just checked my bonuses and had better add this :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/australian-koala.jpg)


Awwww....I want one! Pretty please? :D


You would need as many gum trees as Anna has bamboo canes  :lol:  :lol:
They eat a lot for their size.


Tibro....As soon as I read "gum trees" it brought back the memory of the song...Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree....I am 42 years old and I never knew that there really was such a thing as a gum tree.  I didn't ever know what a kookaburra was either.  I just googled it and it is a bird.  Imagine that!  :lol:  Now the song makes sense....lol.
It's true....you learn something new everyday.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.
Sounds like maybe he printed everything out onto paper. If he wants to send it in the mail.Wow, that is commitment!

I just left him another note on the front page to email Red.  Even if I had a PO Box to give him, I wouldn't want to post it on the front page of SM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Oh,I have an pobox,ihate aruba,.ueatme,12321.Goats are fun BT.Good milk and and fur,plus they love Kudzu,which they eat CAT
Cat, I love your po box address! ROFL  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I'mmmmm Back.Spent 7 hours in the car with my loving Polar bear,Watching me now,and it was a great trip.I love to shop.I didn't know women had so many choices in white shoes,wow.That is not me posting at the pos place.Carpe,where did you get my picture.I do know bad people by smell,like any vds.I would love to ask Klass a question,but am to tired.Yellow rain,yeah.Cat


Cat you did well if it was for white shoes!  You have no idea how many variations there are on the colour black  :lol:  :lol:

What are you planning for your birthday?  It would have been my brothers birthday on 9 April.  Is this the same day as yours?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:33:12 PM
Yes,White shoes.Elaine I like the groups you belong to.I walked through area a few years ago.Nice area.Fob is a piece of Paska.Take care and later Gators,cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:34:58 PM
Tib,close,a few days earlier.I was hoping for J4N and world peace,but would not complain with a quiet day.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

I just left him another note on the front page to email Red.  Even if I had a PO Box to give him, I wouldn't want to post it on the front page of SM.


If you did that you would need a shipping container to hold all the hate mail from the Dark Side  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 10:37:18 PM
Quote from: "robots"
[
dont eat out

make your food at home



i see everything  8)



Was beginning to think I was invisible, Robots!  This is upsetting because just yesterday we were told Del Monte was NOT involved.  They had to have known earlier today that they had a problem and yet, Aruba style, they waited until after 7 pm to post their recall!

Foods we were originally told were OK we now find are not as well as treats.  This is KILLING the pets and is not just something minor at all.  It is huge in scope and growing constantly.

Menu Foods makes their Friday announcement and now Del Monte does but after seven in the evening on a Saturday????  And web pages are disappearing from the Menu Foods Website.  It does remind me of the officials in Aruba announcing things on weekends and holidays!

I have my first puppies in well over a year and am just frantic because I bought Del Monte and fed everybody just yesterday and today they start the recall.

You are right but it will take a while to grow that wheat, haha.  And not sure rice will grow here, etc.  Tomorrow I will go to the store and try to get human grade food enough to ride this out because we are not being told the truth at all.  What is OK today will not be tomorrow.!  I am really worried about these little pups, too.  I waited almost two years before having any more and now this!  

I understand melamine is not poisonous to humans?  Yeah, sure, I'll bet.

Off to cook dog food. . . .bet lots of monkeys are doing that this evening if they are watching the latest news as it gets worse daily.

.

 :(  :cry:  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.
Sounds like maybe he printed everything out onto paper. If he wants to send it in the mail.Wow, that is commitment!

I just left him another note on the front page to email Red.  Even if I had a PO Box to give him, I wouldn't want to post it on the front page of SM.
Oh my can you imagine what you would get in the mail if you did that?!!  How bout last night, poor Angie was here venting about that girl stalking her son, and some dingbat  out there sent her a nasty email, saying she sounded like Anita. Can you imagine if some of these flakes had our home mail addresses. I would be afraid to get my own mail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
[
dont eat out

make your food at home



i see everything  8)



Was beginning to think I was invisible, Robots!  This is upsetting because just yesterday we were told Del Monte was NOT involved.  They had to have known earlier today that they had a problem and yet, Aruba style, they waited until after 7 pm to post their recall!

Foods we were originally told were OK we now find are not as well as treats.  This is KILLING the pets and is not just something minor at all.  It is huge in scope and growing constantly.

Menu Foods makes their Friday announcement and now Del Monte does but after seven in the evening on a Saturday????  And web pages are disappearing from the Menu Foods Website.  It does remind me of the officials in Aruba announcing things on weekends and holidays!

I have my first puppies in well over a year and am just frantic because I bought Del Monte and fed everybody just yesterday and today they start the recall.

You are right but it will take a while to grow that wheat, haha.  And not sure rice will grow here, etc.  Tomorrow I will go to the store and try to get human grade food enough to ride this out because we are not being told the truth at all.  What is OK today will not be tomorrow.!  I am really worried about these little pups, too.  I waited almost two years before having any more and now this!  

I understand melamine is not poisonous to humans?  Yeah, sure, I'll bet.

Off to cook dog food. . . .bet lots of monkeys are doing that this evening if they are watching the latest news as it gets worse daily.

.

 :(  :cry:  :(
Anna, I read what you wrote and even went to the longe to see your updates. This is getting crazy! I see some of the stuff I buy my dogs is now on the list!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.
Sounds like maybe he printed everything out onto paper. If he wants to send it in the mail.Wow, that is commitment!

I just left him another note on the front page to email Red.  Even if I had a PO Box to give him, I wouldn't want to post it on the front page of SM.
Oh my can you imagine what you would get in the mail if you did that?!!  How bout last night, poor Angie was here venting about that girl stalking her son, and some dingbat  out there sent her a nasty email, saying she sounded like Anita. Can you imagine if some of these flakes had our home mail addresses. I would be afraid to get my own mail.

Exactly my point.  That's also why I set up that hotmail address.  Eventually I'll just cancel it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Klaas, I saw that where he wants tosend you all his collection on the case. What a kind gesture that is!.....Tibro, yes he did leave for a bit before due to health. Hopefully he just needs a break, and it is nothing more serious w/his health and all. Sometimes I take a break from this case too, because it is so very frustrating. Justice always comes when it is ready, not when we want it always. That sux.

I tried emailing him but it bounced.  He'll have to email me or Red.
Sounds like maybe he printed everything out onto paper. If he wants to send it in the mail.Wow, that is commitment!



Well, he will be missed.  I always read his posts and do hope that his health is OK.  We all need a break from time to time but he has always been a good and loyal poster.

Later, taters!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 10:44:22 PM
I CATCH MY OWN FOOD.ROBOTS,YOU SKERR ME.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
Anna, daughter says there is one website now collecting all of the info www.howl911.com and she's upset as you are that these announcements are coming out on the weekend and now treats are involved too? This is a huge event and it also seems already that unless you can show the cans and/or receipts that the suppliers are backing away from any responsibility.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on March 31, 2007, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I CATCH MY OWN FOOD.ROBOTS,YOU SKERR ME.CAT



Cat,
Robots is sweeter than Tupelo honey!!!   :D Don't be skeered just because he is mechanical.  Cats are far more nimble and you can always out maneuver him.  

I remember robots from when he was taking major abuse on that old court tv site.  Good grief, Charlie Brown!  That seems like twenty years ago!

Now I am really off to deal with dog food issues.

Glad I have 22 pounds of powdered dog milk replacement formula on hand!  That helps tremendously.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 10:51:05 PM
Hi Marlee happy to see you again.  Kookaburras are noisy and happy birds.  Live on mice,  lizards and snakes etc.  Used to sit on our clothesline and laugh away every morning.  Gum trees are Eucalyptus trees and called gums for a resin or gum they exude.  There are many varieties and you have given me an idea for my next article on the Aussie thread.   Thank you.

Kookaburra :  (http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/kookaburra.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna, daughter says there is one website now collecting all of the info www.howl911.com and she's upset as you are that these announcements are coming out on the weekend and now treats are involved too? This is a huge event and it also seems already that unless you can show the cans and/or receipts that the suppliers are backing away from any responsibility.
None, thanks for this link. This is getting worse by the day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
[
dont eat out

make your food at home



i see everything  8)



Was beginning to think I was invisible, Robots!  This is upsetting because just yesterday we were told Del Monte was NOT involved.  They had to have known earlier today that they had a problem and yet, Aruba style, they waited until after 7 pm to post their recall!

Foods we were originally told were OK we now find are not as well as treats.  This is KILLING the pets and is not just something minor at all.  It is huge in scope and growing constantly.

Menu Foods makes their Friday announcement and now Del Monte does but after seven in the evening on a Saturday????  And web pages are disappearing from the Menu Foods Website.  It does remind me of the officials in Aruba announcing things on weekends and holidays!

I have my first puppies in well over a year and am just frantic because I bought Del Monte and fed everybody just yesterday and today they start the recall.

You are right but it will take a while to grow that wheat, haha.  And not sure rice will grow here, etc.  Tomorrow I will go to the store and try to get human grade food enough to ride this out because we are not being told the truth at all.  What is OK today will not be tomorrow.!  I am really worried about these little pups, too.  I waited almost two years before having any more and now this!  

I understand melamine is not poisonous to humans?  Yeah, sure, I'll bet.

Off to cook dog food. . . .bet lots of monkeys are doing that this evening if they are watching the latest news as it gets worse daily.

.

 :(  :cry:  :(


im not a robotic scientist... but if you cook something at high enough temperature or boil it enough...i think in cases of  germs we are ok

i bought a lot of chicken the other day and i have rice everywhere
including all the pieces that the stupid vaccum misses as i dropped a giant bag in the kitchen

dogs will be eating chicken and rice with carrots for months it would appear  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on March 31, 2007, 10:57:42 PM
Hi Elaine, I always miss you lately, it's good to see you too. It's making us paranoid now, we have one cat that has a UTI currently and even though none of our foods have made the list yet, now to have treats included we're frantically looking up the pounce treats online now :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Cat"
I CATCH MY OWN FOOD.ROBOTS,YOU SKERR ME.CAT



Cat,
Robots is sweeter than Tupelo honey!!!   :D Don't be skeered just because he is mechanical.  Cats are far more nimble and you can always out maneuver him.  

I remember robots from when he was taking major abuse on that old court tv site.  Good grief, Charlie Brown!  That seems like twenty years ago!

Now I am really off to deal with dog food issues.

Glad I have 22 pounds of powdered dog milk replacement formula on hand!  That helps tremendously.

.


thank you for telling cat im not skeeeery  8)

Anna Rocks the house

i just found out cat was a boy. Cat, im not skerrrrrrrrry

Cat, im not skerrrrrrrrry


Cat, im not skerrrrrrrrry


Cat, im not skerrrrrrrrry


Cat, im not skerrrrrrrrry

REPEAT  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on March 31, 2007, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I CATCH MY OWN FOOD.ROBOTS,YOU SKERR ME.CAT



ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on March 31, 2007, 11:02:56 PM
I have to buy the dry kat fud tomorrow. Iams . TY. Will check the labels and sites out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on March 31, 2007, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Elaine, I always miss you lately, it's good to see you too. It's making us paranoid now, we have one cat that has a UTI currently and even though none of our foods have made the list yet, now to have treats included we're frantically looking up the pounce treats online now :?
I hope your cat gets better soon!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on March 31, 2007, 11:22:01 PM
Hi everyone,

 :D  Gators won!

I have not spent much time on the Front Page, is this poster who is leaving one of the regulars on there?

I see that the big topic tonight is the pet food scare... I am beginning to think this thing is deliberate. Too many places where the tainted foods are found... too many brands.

Made In China. When I see those words, me NO buy.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on March 31, 2007, 11:26:19 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Hi everyone,

 :D  Gators won!

I have not spent much time on the Front Page, is this poster who is leaving one of the regulars on there?

I see that the big topic tonight is the pet food scare... I am beginning to think this thing is deliberate. Too many places where the tainted foods are found... too many brands.

Made In China. When I see those words, me NO buy.  :wink:


Hi sb  Me no buy either.  Trouble with food stuffs is they do not always say where the contents are from.  Just "made from imported ingredients".  I do not mind if imported from US, NZ etc, but not from some of those grubby places where they have no idea of hygiene  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on March 31, 2007, 11:30:01 PM
sb,I agree.Tib,I agree on the pet food.Something doesn't add up.Night,long day.I thought white was white,but I was so wrong.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2007, 11:34:29 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
sb,I agree.Tib,I agree on the pet food.Something doesn't add up.Night,long day.I thought white was white,but I was so wrong.cat

CAT - I should teach Mrs. Cat how to shop.  White is white in my book too, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on March 31, 2007, 11:34:52 PM
I usually don't post FOB Loser scribble, because their brains
bubble over with a mad sickness.


but... if ya ever needed jes one more piece of info that they are

completely mentally ill, read this ...

--------------------------------
D0c Tar:


I don't have the time to go to other blogs and read every word posted about the incredible drama going on still, nearly two years after a drunk teenager disappeared.  I'm with Joran...I'd like to kick Natalee's butt for all the trouble she has caused.


----------------


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on March 31, 2007, 11:55:30 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Hi everyone,

 :D  Gators won!

I have not spent much time on the Front Page, is this poster who is leaving one of the regulars on there?

I see that the big topic tonight is the pet food scare... I am beginning to think this thing is deliberate. Too many places where the tainted foods are found... too many brands.

Made In China. When I see those words, me NO buy.  :wink:

Hi S.B.

Yeah... he's been posting since June of 2005.  He had never been a member of the Forum, but on his own has accumulated a huge amount of information about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway case.  He is a real sweety and I think he may have had his feelings hurt.  There has been a lot of hateful things being said on both sides and I have the feeling that he got fed up.  I'll copy his last post and bring it for you.

I'm sad... he is one of those people that has done everything on his own accord out of love for Natalee.  I think he may be from her home town and knows of the family although he never met them.  For months, people were asking where he was and now he is going to be leaving us again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2007, 12:04:31 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "sb"
Hi everyone,

 :D  Gators won!

I have not spent much time on the Front Page, is this poster who is leaving one of the regulars on there?

I see that the big topic tonight is the pet food scare... I am beginning to think this thing is deliberate. Too many places where the tainted foods are found... too many brands.

Made In China. When I see those words, me NO buy.  :wink:

Hi S.B.

Yeah... he's been posting since June of 2005.  He had never been a member of the Forum, but on his own has accumulated a huge amount of information about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway case.  He is a real sweety and I think he may have had his feelings hurt.  There has been a lot of hateful things being said on both sides and I have the feeling that he got fed up.  I'll copy his last post and bring it for you.

I'm sad... he is one of those people that has done everything on his own accord out of love for Natalee.  I think he may be from her home town and knows of the family although he never met them.  For months, people were asking where he was and now he is going to be leaving us again.


For some reason, I can't copy it.  However, if you care to read it for your-
self, it's at Post #36 on the Protest in Aruba article.

Sad, but we all get discouraged and maybe he'd be back... I hope so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 12:22:51 AM
Quote from: "sb"
A thought from earlier that escaped me while we were discussing the book, etc.-
The making of a series of films SPECIFICALLY showing, drumroll please...
"Innocent tourist girl being raped on final night of island vacation"...
as the central plotline and theme...
is not too far behind the diabolical nature of an actual "snuff film".
TO KEEP SUCH AN INDUSTRY COVERED UP, THE MAKERS WOULD GO TO LENGTHS like they have done to sweep Natalee's case under the rug.
Could it be that the production of this SPECIFIC film genre is the dirty dark "secret" that Aruba, PVDS, the Dutch et al. are trying to conceal here?
In other words, such films ARE being made, and HAVE BEEN BEING MADE for some time, and Natalee threatens to expose the enterprise.

And this is why the coverup.

We have wanted to say it's drugs, Rave parties, the general lifestyle of the island, gambling, etc. It has to be an even bigger abomination than those things that would make them go to such lengths to deep-six the event altogether. The atrocity of filmed rapes of girls under those circumstances would fit here. I'm not just talking about teenaged perps with a CELLPHONE CAMERA for kicks... I'm talking studio lights, props, the whole 9 yards. I am talking about a quasi-commercial venture catering to the richest and most depraved perverts on the planet.

A working hypothesis: PVDS had Natalee brought to the home to do this. She didn't survive. Coverup swings into action. These people know how to sanitize situations, they are PROS.

After ALL the research and speculation we have done, this is still the one area of inquiry that I see as being most likely to yield an answer.


SB - I've always thought there was a deeper connection to all this.  This wasn't their first time kidnapping  a young tourist girl and Joran VandDerSloot didn't dream up the idea of drugging and whisking away a victim to rape on his own. It's learned behavior.
There’s a perversion within certain circles, a criminal evil that goes to the very heart of what happened to Natalee that incriminates so many from the top of the Government to the lowest of the pimply-faced little pimp boys.  
This atrocity they played out by preying on young tourists girls finally caught up with them when Natalee died as a result of their hideous scheme to fulfill their sexual gratification fueled by their obsessive addiction to pornography.  An addiction created by that learned behavior watching their role models.  The porn industry rivals the drug industry in money, but sex isn't entirely illegal, just when it 's Rape (in most countries).
To me this is their evil connection and why no one can squeal on anyone. They all at one time or another played a role in the tourist rape game


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 12:23:32 AM
Weel he said he was just leaving for a while. His other posts do not sound like he has given up. There was a health issue mentioned.
I read the FP every day and he has become like an old friend.
Hope all is well or on its way to becoming better for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 12:29:39 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T

I hate to sound like a broken record but I have posted updates in the lounge of the Pet food recall as more brands are added and now treats involved as well.

I also posted a list of foods that are SUPPOSEDLY OK but just yesterday, Del Monte was supposed to be OK and then today they start their own recalls!  So while a food may be listed as OK today, tomorrow it may be on the list being recalled for some dreadful contaminant!

Lots of people may be trying to find something safe to feed their pets or taking them to the vet, etc.  

Wassup with all this with the pet food???  How can all of it in the country suddenly be contaminated??  Is this same wheat gluten or some wheat products in the human food chain as well?  

 :(  :evil:  :(


Anna this is such a worry for pet owners and also must be considered for human foodstuffs.  It seems criminal that we let all our food growers go out of production because we are importing inferior  stuff from goodness knows where but certainly countries that do not follow handling and chemical restraints imposed here for safety reasons.  Now we are seeing the repercussions of buying everything used in foodstuffs as cheaply as possible and never mind the consequences.  Leave the fruit and vegetables rot in and on the ground and send our money overseas to help our balance of payments.
They even import fish that has been kept in waters filled with sewerage and pass them off as local varieties.  
It is high time the powers that be got their act together and started to consider the health and wellbeing of their own citizens.
I take the liberty of saying "we" as the same principles apply here.  No pet food recalls yet but it has to be only a matter of time.  :evil:

This is maddening for pet owners, it makes me sick that I might be unknowingly poisoning my dog.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Hi everyone,

 :D  Gators won!

I have not spent much time on the Front Page, is this poster who is leaving one of the regulars on there?

I see that the big topic tonight is the pet food scare... I am beginning to think this thing is deliberate. Too many places where the tainted foods are found... too many brands.

Made In China. When I see those words, me NO buy.  :wink:


Glad your gators won.  Unless they were playing Georgetown but don't think they were.

SB,
No where does any of this dog food say one word about CHINA.  Most of the original recall was canned in Canada but what is maddening is that now brands we were told were safe like Del Monte (canned in USA, no imports, etc.) are saying OOPS!  And recalling all kinds of stuff from canned food to treats.

I doubt many would feed their pets things from China if only we had been told.  Many of these foods have gone to great lengths to impress us with their ingredients and safety and some are sold only by vets, etc.  And they are waiting until the weekends to tell us and after seven in the evening.   :evil:  Almost every major brand regardless of cost and reputation is now involved in one way or another.

And I just read many meat packing/slaughter housese for human meat have not been inspected as required by law in thirty years.  Isn't life full of surprises!

ROBOTS,
This is not germs in the dog food but chemicals.  Not sure cooking would help or make worse.  But I understand what you are saying as relates to germs.  Yes, cooking well done will kill those.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 12:58:33 AM
This is what I reveived from P & G
It does mention an Iams website.

fom: P&G Everyday Solutions
Date: 03/25/07 02:47:22

Subject: P&G Pet Care - Update on Menu Foods Recall
 
 

P&G Pet Care Update
March 21, 2007

We want to provide an update on the recent recall of "wet" pet foods produced by Menu Foods, Inc.

We are deeply saddened by this situation. We know it has caused a lot of concern and has touched pet lovers throughout North America, including our own employees. We've received a lot of questions, so we want to give you the latest information.

First, we want to assure you that this recall affects only a small portion of our "wet" pet food products manufactured at the Menu Foods plant in Emporia, Kansas. We have a variety of canned wet food products that are currently available on store shelves that are not affected in any way by this recall.

We also want to assure you that our Iams and Eukanuba dry foods are safe for your pet to eat and are readily available in stores. These foods are not part of the recall - there are no concerns at all about dry food. P&G manufactures Iams and Eukanuba dry foods at our own plants, not at Menu Foods.

You may wonder why some "wet" food was produced at Menu Foods. In fact, virtually every pet food company commonly uses outside partners for special or small volume items. Nonetheless, the different branded products made by Menu are not "the same". Our Iams and Eukanuba pet foods have unique recipes and important ingredient differences that distinguish them from other pet food brands.

Because of our concern for pets and their well-being, we took immediate action to voluntarily participate in Menu Foods' "wet" food product recall and to work with retailers to get the small portion of our "wet" products affected by the recall off all store shelves in the U.S. and Canada.

Until the root cause of this pet health issue is found, we will not produce any more of these products at the Emporia plant. We'll keep you updated when we have more information on this.

Pets are an important part of all of our families. P&G Pet Care employees share your concerns and are firmly committed to you and the health of your pet. We are working hard to respond to your questions, and provide the information and help you need.

We value your trust and confidence during this extremely difficult time.

P&G Pet Care

 

For a list of products involved, see the new Iams website for more details.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 01:01:50 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
[
Yeah... he's been posting since June of 2005.  He had never been a member of the Forum, but on his own has accumulated a huge amount of information about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway case.  He is a real sweety and I think he may have had his feelings hurt.  There has been a lot of hateful things being said on both sides and I have the feeling that he got fed up.  I'll copy his last post and bring it for you.

I'm sad... he is one of those people that has done everything on his own accord out of love for Natalee.  I think he may be from her home town and knows of the family although he never met them.  For months, people were asking where he was and now he is going to be leaving us again.



Hi, Patti,
I hope no one offended him and that he is just not feeling 100% and will post when feeling better.  I haven't read all the comments lately but are they worse than usual?  I wonder why.  

Let's just hope he gets to feeling all better and comes back real fast for like you, I think he is one of the most popular posters on the front page!

So many of those FP posters are just wonderful!  I am ashamed of myself for not reading more there lately.  Just not enough hours in the day but now I wish I had and that I had extended him a few words of support, if that would have helped.  Maybe he will miss us and come back.  Some days I am spread so thin, you can see through me!   :shock:  And I end up reading real late, too tired to type responses so I suspect many are in the same boat.  We read but are not always responsive as maybe we should be.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 01:03:36 AM
http://us.iams.com/iams/en_US/data_root/html/product_article/ProductRecallList.htm
Iams recall link.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 01:11:44 AM
On that excerpt from Joran's book or his stolen diary notes or whatever it was posted at hostile sites, remember Sandra K used to laugh about how many knew every keystroke typed at SM and her ability to access such information.  They even bragged of hacking SM chat rooms, etc. including but not limited to boasts by Dilbart.

And around that time there were a rash of keyloggers put on so many of our computers.  Arlee and I both had all our drivers removed for us one night!   :evil:  In addition to the keyloggers.  

So now I don't keep anything on my computer that is not public knowledge because I just can't afford the hard drives, etc.  Use off site storage.  

And our Terry in Florida told us about and even posted a site where you could get somebody to hack any computer for about $50.  So why this is a surprise that it could be used AGAINST as well as for the Sloots is odd.

Maybe Joran wanted that posted to sort of defy the gag order.  That entered my mind as well, sort of his way of getting around it, to have somebody else post excerpts from his book?

I still suspect it is boring people to death and it is a safety recall instead of a gag order.  J/K   :D but if that sample is representative, he is very lucky to have a publisher.  That's not a vanity press he is using by any chance is it?  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 01:12:40 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Patti"
[
Yeah... he's been posting since June of 2005.  He had never been a member of the Forum, but on his own has accumulated a huge amount of information about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway case.  He is a real sweety and I think he may have had his feelings hurt.  There has been a lot of hateful things being said on both sides and I have the feeling that he got fed up.  I'll copy his last post and bring it for you.

I'm sad... he is one of those people that has done everything on his own accord out of love for Natalee.  I think he may be from her home town and knows of the family although he never met them.  For months, people were asking where he was and now he is going to be leaving us again.





Hi, Patti,
I hope no one offended him and that he is just not feeling 100% and will post when feeling better.  I haven't read all the comments lately but are they worse than usual?  I wonder why.  

Let's just hope he gets to feeling all better and comes back real fast for like you, I think he is one of the most popular posters on the front page!

So many of those FP posters are just wonderful!  I am ashamed of myself for not reading more there lately.  Just not enough hours in the day but now I wish I had and that I had extended him a few words of support, if that would have helped.  Maybe he will miss us and come back.  Some days I am spread so thin, you can see through me!   :shock:  And I end up reading real late, too tired to type responses so I suspect many are in the same boat.  We read but are not always responsive as maybe we should be.

.

.



Patty, Anna ...

not sure, but I believe 1006 .... he used to mention having some
quite serious health issues.

I think he's "up there" in age.

I'll miss him too. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2007, 01:20:14 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Patti"
[
Yeah... he's been posting since June of 2005.  He had never been a member of the Forum, but on his own has accumulated a huge amount of information about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway case.  He is a real sweety and I think he may have had his feelings hurt.  There has been a lot of hateful things being said on both sides and I have the feeling that he got fed up.  I'll copy his last post and bring it for you.

I'm sad... he is one of those people that has done everything on his own accord out of love for Natalee.  I think he may be from her home town and knows of the family although he never met them.  For months, people were asking where he was and now he is going to be leaving us again.





Hi, Patti,
I hope no one offended him and that he is just not feeling 100% and will post when feeling better.  I haven't read all the comments lately but are they worse than usual?  I wonder why.  

Let's just hope he gets to feeling all better and comes back real fast for like you, I think he is one of the most popular posters on the front page!

So many of those FP posters are just wonderful!  I am ashamed of myself for not reading more there lately.  Just not enough hours in the day but now I wish I had and that I had extended him a few words of support, if that would have helped.  Maybe he will miss us and come back.  Some days I am spread so thin, you can see through me!   :shock:  And I end up reading real late, too tired to type responses so I suspect many are in the same boat.  We read but are not always responsive as maybe we should be.

.

.



Patty, Anna ...

not sure, but I believe 1006 .... he used to mention having some
quite serious health issues.

I think he's "up there" in age.

I'll miss him too. :cry:


Carpe:

I think he had a lot of information that he wanted to share with us.  With all the front page caios, the trolls and everything, I think he felt frustrated.... I think all of us are getting frustrated.  I know I am.  I get so tired of all the criticism and it really doesn't do anything in a positive way... it just makes us look bad.

I think maybe he was born in 1906... and he's so sweet... I'm gonna miss him, too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:20:49 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
On that excerpt from Joran's book or his stolen diary notes or whatever it was posted at hostile sites, remember Sandra K used to laugh about how many knew every keystroke typed at SM and her ability to access such information.  They even bragged of hacking SM chat rooms, etc. including but not limited to boasts by Dilbart.

And around that time there were a rash of keyloggers put on so many of our computers.  Arlee and I both had all our drivers removed for us one night!   :evil:  In addition to the keyloggers.  

So now I don't keep anything on my computer that is not public knowledge because I just can't afford the hard drives, etc.  Use off site storage.  

And our Terry in Florida told us about and even posted a site where you could get somebody to hack any computer for about $50.  So why this is a surprise that it could be used AGAINST as well as for the Sloots is odd.

Maybe Joran wanted that posted to sort of defy the gag order.  That entered my mind as well, sort of his way of getting around it, to have somebody else post excerpts from his book?

I still suspect it is boring people to death and it is a safety recall instead of a gag order.  J/K   :D but if that sample is representative, he is very lucky to have a publisher.  That's not a vanity press he is using by any chance is it?  

.

I think SandraK has a vivid imagination.  I also think she got mad at others and that's why she posted the "notes".  I wouldn't be surprised to find out Joran trusted those "notes" to someone like Julia Renfro and they were shared with others.  Unfortunately some people share with people they shouldn't.  This was all supposed to have happened a year ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:22:27 AM
Patti - you really think he was born in 1906?  That would make him 101? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2007, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - you really think he was born in 1906?  That would make him 101? :wink:


Yeah...

Can you delete my last post... to the front page... It hasn't been posted
yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - you really think he was born in 1906?  That would make him 101? :wink:


Yeah...

Can you delete my last post... to the front page... It hasn't been posted
yet?

I just processed it, but I can delete it still


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2007, 01:27:50 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - you really think he was born in 1906?  That would make him 101? :wink:


Yeah...

Can you delete my last post... to the front page... It hasn't been posted
yet?

I just processed it, but I can delete it still


I think it might be best.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:32:48 AM
Patti - deleted :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 01:37:47 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - deleted :wink:


Did you just say Patti has been deleted  :shock:  :shock:
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

If 10061906 is 101 years old I am going to give up right now as I could not be able to make such lengthy and lucid posts at my present age let alone at a century plus  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Patti on April 01, 2007, 01:40:04 AM
Thanks... Klaas!

Maybe he'll be back tomorrow.  I hope so.  I've been so busy with other
stuff.  I met with my attorney this week and have been posting about the
teachers in my spare time.  I need to go back and read all his posts
because I feel bad that I wasn't there to encourage him.  Anyway, I
left him another invitation to join the forum.  I think he'd like it here alot
better.  There's alot less argueing and he shares the views of alot of
people here... that makes everything easier.

I'm gonna pray for him tonight and I hope you all do to.

I'm gonna get some rest.  See you all tomorrow.

Good Night...

Anna:   Thanks for the compliment.  It means alot to me coming from you.  

Night...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 01:42:28 AM
I need some humour - I have just posted a link to a gruesome article on pet food production in the lounge.  Of course I already knew these facts from years ago but I had to re-read it before posting  :evil:  :evil:
I put a warning in the posting for the faint hearted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:46:25 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I need some humour - I have just posted a link to a gruesome article on pet food production in the lounge.  Of course I already knew these facts from years ago but I had to re-read it before posting  :evil:  :evil:
I put a warning in the posting for the faint hearted.

Think I'm going to save it for tomorrow.  Just had spagetti with meat sauce tonight, don't want to make myself sick, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 01:47:53 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I need some humour - I have just posted a link to a gruesome article on pet food production in the lounge.  Of course I already knew these facts from years ago but I had to re-read it before posting  :evil:  :evil:
I put a warning in the posting for the faint hearted.

Think I'm going to save it for tomorrow.  Just had spagetti with meat sauce tonight, don't want to make myself sick, LOL  :lol:


You are a very wise monkey


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 01:48:22 AM
Tibro,
I could use some humor, too, but doubt I'd even laugh! :?

So I will try to get some rest instead.  I look at these perfect, adorable pups and if anything happens to them, I am going to go ballistic!  

Maybe I will try to read something or watch a chick flick or listen to Art Bell or just anything to try to get my mind off this.  I will read your article later as I can't take any more today.

Maybe tomorrow will bring some good news for us all!

Good night, all.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:50:18 AM
Nite Anna


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 01:51:53 AM
Nite Anna - would love some photos of the pups  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 01:55:17 AM
Will log out now myself and BBL with cleaning aids and gum trees  :lol:  :lol:
Nite Klaas


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:58:11 AM
Ok Tibro - talk to you tomorrow then probably!  Nite


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 02:00:26 AM
JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

I received a mesage from Sandra this morning telling me how sorry she is. She never wanted to hurt FOB or me.

I wish her the best!

Pax wrote:

Is anything preventing SandraK from posting an apology herself?

Medleyrelay wrote:

Nothing other than I believe she has left on a vacation of sorts.

My response :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 02:58:41 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

I received a mesage from Sandra this morning telling me how sorry she is. She never wanted to hurt FOB or me.

I wish her the best!

Pax wrote:

Is anything preventing SandraK from posting an apology herself?

Medleyrelay wrote:

Nothing other than I believe she has left on a vacation of sorts.

My response :shock:



JR's reponse to Pax's question above:

She apologized to me being the owner of this blog. To make sure this is not going to be questioned again I shared that pm with a couple of people I trust knowing Sandra would agree with that.

It's not my business what took place between her and others on the other blogs. She did apologize for what she did here and that's enough for me.

 :shock:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 03:04:46 AM
A vacation or did someone send her into orbit ?  :smt073  

I see Anna answered my request with a puppy photo in the pet food thread.
Precious little things.  :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
A vacation or did someone send her into orbit ?  :smt073  

I see Anna answered my request with a puppy photo in the pet food thread.
Precious little things.  :smt045


I don't know Tib...what is a vacation of sorts anyway? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 03:39:07 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 03:39:31 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 03:43:19 AM
Yep, pretty sure.


SLIDESHOW

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/?action=view&slideshow=true


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 04:13:32 AM
Here is your thought for the day for April Fools Day, monkeys :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/closednotice.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:55:19 AM
ROFL



Love it, TIBRO!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 05:07:07 AM
DO NOT READ THIS - CONFIDENTIAL


BEATING MY LIPIZON


 I hate beating a dead horse... but sh**
someone has to do it. Why not me?

Just kidding!

---


Let me bring up...

VERY  SUSPICIOUS

ACTIVITIES ON JUNE 10TH, 2005

----



Everybody agrees that was a suspicious day from straight out of hell right?


EVEN THAT F'N TUSHY SPANKER "Anita "FREE WILLY" VAN DER SLOOT


 with the hot-a-neon MOO-MOO. Aw geeeeez, the visual!!!!! Painful.

OK!


.......


JUNE 10TH 2005 - ARUBAY VIDEOS ARE RECORDED (SPECIFICALLY CHICAGO #24 - ARUBAY 17, THEY ARE
ONE AND THE SAME.)

That video has images of the MARRIOTT WATER BASIN. At first people did not see much in this bag!!!

The more and more people looked and tweaked the images though...

*** NOW*** Many know darn well there were people

and body parts in it. Oh, some still deny it. WHATEVER!!!

There were three heads in the bag. PERIOD.

On of 'em is still attached to a body.

I believe the body is that of Natalee's...

and so far I seem to be alone in that assessment.

AGAIN, WHATEVER. Not the first time, will never be the last,

I'm cool with it. F-IT. I'm over it.



I trust my eyes!!!!

SEE MY PICS HERE: TRUST YOUR OWN EYES, MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND.


---------

link

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/

when you get there you can also click on slide show, if you prefer that better.


--------




I first found the images with her eyes on her birthday 10/21/2006. I have

been working them as much as possible, ever since. Making slides galore

from every angle, zoom, and shade. In my heart, I know it is her. (period)

 I just need to keep working hard for others to be able to see this too someday.




(cont'd)



JUNE 10TH 2005 - JORAN SUPPOSEDLY CONFESSES TO THAT ARUBAN HACK POLICE CHIEF GEROLD MC DUMPIG.


JUNE 10TH 2005 - NATALEE'S FAMILY IS TOLD TO HAUL A$$ TO THE CALIFORNIA LIGHTHOUSE "SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED"


!!! Dum Da Dum Dum  !!!! - Ed Norton / Honeymooners


----


Now...

ENTER...

BIG

PROBLEM-


----


JUNE 10TH, 2005 - WHO IS NOW WATCHING ACTIVITY AT THE MARRIOTT OR MONTANJA AT THE VAN DER ADDAM'S

                  FAMILY RESIDENCE????



ANSWER: (crickets chirping) FRIGGIN NOBODY. Not even the flaming loser JERRY JERRY STRAWBERRY aka STALK-O-SAURUS.




EVERYBODY & THEIR MOTHER IS LOOKING TO THE CALIFORNIA LIGHTHOUSE NOW, NORTH END.

OUCH!


WHO IS WATCHING THE STORE?



****Probably Nobody watching the Marriott Basin. Except some people who were either putting her in

    or REMOVING HER. MY GUESS, Putting her in it. They hadn't done the searches of the VAN DER RAPIST
   
    household & anything could have gone wrong. If she were found there (VDS), JORAN SAID HE'D BE IN BIG TROUBLE

    CUZ' THAT MEANS THEY FOUND A BODY!!!!! Can't have that. She had probably just been dropped in there (MARRIOTT BASIN)
   
    and was ready to be moved for storage or total disposal. She was probably in a "HOLDING PATTERN"
   
    waiting for someone to then make the next move, at the time they shot that ARUBAY 17 VIDEO capturing

    her images for me to see.. The MARRIOTT BASIN VIDEO LOOKS TO BE RECORDED IN THE AFTERNOON
   
    OR EARLY EVENING HOURS TO ME.



--------

MR. ROGER'S WORD FOR TODAY...


D-I-V-E-R-S-I-O-N




P.S. ARUBANS STILL SUCK EGGS. (hard)


...and that still seems to be .... >>> D TROOF!!!!




GOOD MORNING MONKEYS


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 8)   ....Later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 06:35:21 AM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/bunnydog.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 01, 2007, 08:41:55 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Just peeking in while I have my coffee!

Guess NObody is up yet :lol:

Have a great day and I'll "see" you later!

I am not posting much lately, but certainly reading.

Anna I am with you regarding being just sick over this pet food recall.  What next????  More pet foods? Human food?
Its really scarey.
BTW, those pups are just gorgeous!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 09:48:23 AM
Carpe

Whenever you post links to the pics you've "colorized" sotaspeak, they only look like random squares of color to me. Is there something I could use to view them that would turn them into pictures again? I mean, I know the views are clearer to some people than to others, but I don't even see the trash bag in the pics. All I see are blocks of color of differing degrees of color intensity - no shape of any kind at all except for the squares.

TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2007, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Carpe

Whenever you post links to the pics you've "colorized" sotaspeak, they only look like random squares of color to me. Is there something I could use to view them that would turn them into pictures again? I mean, I know the views are clearer to some people than to others, but I don't even see the trash bag in the pics. All I see are blocks of color of differing degrees of color intensity - no shape of any kind at all except for the squares.

TY


Same here.  All links open as large color blobs.  I haven't been able to see an actual picture.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:46:39 AM
Translation from the Aruba bulletin boards of that waverunner accident where the man died:

#1
Just heard on my local news tonight that a 44 year old man (last name Powers) from Massachusetts was killed in Aruba on a jet ski. He leaves behind his wife and 4 children. My prayers go out to his family. It is in the local paper, but in Spanish.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/31/

#2
The highlight in the DIARIO (local paper in PAPIAMENTO, not spanish),
Mr. Powers family were all vacationing in Aruba. He and one child were on one waverunner, and two other children of his , were on another waverunner. These two waverunners ran into each other , resulting in Mr. Powers death. This accident occurred Friday afternoon, a very, very sad situation.
Our condolences to the family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 01, 2007, 11:02:08 AM
His name was Dennis Powers. I still want to know what this is saying:

Quote
E impacto tabata asina fuerte cu e tata a haya golpinan y probablemente sangramento interno y cu ambulance a transporte mes ora pa hospital unda el a fayece.

Tabata basta despues di tur esaki cu polis a wordo informa di e desgracia locual ta di lamenta ya cu den casonan asina mes ora mester pone polis na altura di e desgracia.


Online Pap translator:

Quote
the impacto was so strong cu the father owing to achieve golpinan y probably sangramento inner y cu ambulance owing to transporte self hour for hospital where past owing to fayece.

was enough after of all this cu police owing to wordo informa of the desgracia locual is of lamenta already cu in casonan so self hour have to place police at height of the desgracia.


The article also says that anyone with information about the incident should call the police.

Does "desgracia" mean "disgrace"? Or is it synonymous with "tragedy" ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 11:09:59 AM
Monkeys~ Have a good April Fool's Day!

Sigh...weekends are just not long enough. Much to do today to make up for lolling about yesterday...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 11:16:09 AM
Ah April Fools Day ! !
Google has one for free broadband you instal into yer toilet.  
Now I get it ! ! ! After 30 minutes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
A vacation or did someone send her into orbit ?  :smt073  

I see Anna answered my request with a puppy photo in the pet food thread.
Precious little things.  :smt045


I don't know Tib...what is a vacation of sorts anyway? :D

A vacation of sorts could be an intervention. With a little trip for the required 30 days. Just for a change of scenery, nothing serious ! ! :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 11:23:48 AM
here is Googles little " joke ".
Carpe does way better stuff ! !
http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
A vacation or did someone send her into orbit ?  :smt073  

I see Anna answered my request with a puppy photo in the pet food thread.
Precious little things.  :smt045


I don't know Tib...what is a vacation of sorts anyway? :D

A vacation of sorts could be an intervention. With a little trip for the required 30 days. Just for a change of scenery, nothing serious ! ! :roll:  :roll:


Or maybe a mental institution? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 11:52:17 AM
I was thinking along the lines of alcohol withdrawal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


<snip>
- I get an extra bonus for each picture I post of Australia and double bonus for Koala photos.


I was going to ask if that means I get a double bonus for just posting but then realized that posting with you monkeys is bonus enough :wink:

Good morning monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 11:59:50 AM
Sneaking in between wash loads...

What a tragedy for the Powers family.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 12:11:35 PM
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


<snip>
- I get an extra bonus for each picture I post of Australia and double bonus for Koala photos.


I was going to ask if that means I get a double bonus for just posting but then realized that posting with you monkeys is bonus enough :wink:

Good morning monkeys.

Aw Sleuthie , you are such a Kutie Koala bear ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Do you think "Honda Civic Gang" is code for ATA??? Since she picks up her email there...  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2007, 12:21:57 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


<snip>
- I get an extra bonus for each picture I post of Australia and double bonus for Koala photos.


I was going to ask if that means I get a double bonus for just posting but then realized that posting with you monkeys is bonus enough :wink:

Good morning monkeys.


Are you in sales???  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 12:23:23 PM
Why don't they fight in the SECRET  back room there ?
Instead of the front office ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 12:24:11 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Why don't they fight in the SECRET  back room there ?
Instead of the front office ?

My guess is Glenda wants those without access to the HE to read her post.  

Edited to add:  They are fighting in the secret back room, Glenda is bringing her beef out into the open to anger people, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 12:27:51 PM
O/T.
I did some quality Control on the Girl Guide Cookies. Safe to eat.
But not the whole box.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Why don't they fight in the SECRET  back room there ?
Instead of the front office ?

My guess is Glenda wants those without access to the HE to read her post.  

Edited to add:  They are fighting in the secret back room, Glenda is bringing her beef out into the open to anger people, IMO.


I think you are right, klaasend!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:01:01 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"


<snip>
- I get an extra bonus for each picture I post of Australia and double bonus for Koala photos.


I was going to ask if that means I get a double bonus for just posting but then realized that posting with you monkeys is bonus enough :wink:

Good morning monkeys.


Are you in sales???  :wink:  :lol:


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Wasn't Diva an early mod here?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:10:05 PM
I agree Klaasend - Glenda wanted all to see it.   She even started a new thread for it.

Funny timing as I am just listening to Dana's interview with Julia Renfro from a year ago.   She was just saying that Nataleee's family has created massive chaos on their island.  

Just waiting for Sans POS remark....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Wasn't Diva an early mod here?

Yes, and there is a reason she is no longer here :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Wasn't Diva an early mod here?


"Diva is asking sweetly."  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Response by DivaToo:

(snipped)
Get over yourself Glenda. Everyone assumes Glenda is Julia. SO what if I referred to you as Julia in a post months and months ago?  It was an accident. I said that I was sorry. What else could I have done?
It's really unfortunate that you're so petty you can't let this go. I used to think alot of you until I read this and found out you were holding a grudge for this long.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
I agree Klaasend - Glenda wanted all to see it.   She even started a new thread for it.

Funny timing as I am just listening to Dana's interview with Julia Renfro from a year ago.   She was just saying that Nataleee's family has created massive chaos on their island.  

Just waiting for Sans POS remark....


Julia in the same interview indicated that murder/killings on Aruba are highly unlikely, maybe 1-2 a year and not with any tourist.  MsMarple would disagree.

Next was discussion on drugs in drinks - Julia indicated that in her position she would know if people were slipped drugs and that is not something that happens on Aruba.

These remarks from her from a year ago are hilarious.  Monkeys have proved over and over that you can pretty much reverse whatever she says.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
I agree Klaasend - Glenda wanted all to see it.   She even started a new thread for it.

Funny timing as I am just listening to Dana's interview with Julia Renfro from a year ago.   She was just saying that Nataleee's family has created massive chaos on their island.  

Just waiting for Sans POS remark....


Julia in the same interview indicated that murder/killings on Aruba are highly unlikely, maybe 1-2 a year and not with any tourist.  MsMarple would disagree.

Next was discussion on drugs in drinks - Julia indicated that in her position she would know if people were slipped drugs and that is not something that happens on Aruba.

These remarks from her from a year ago are hilarious.  Monkeys have proved over and over that you can pretty much reverse whatever she says.


Yes, and one of my personal favorite reversal of hers was when, as bondia, she claimed in a PM that the gardner was not a reliable witness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
I agree Klaasend - Glenda wanted all to see it.   She even started a new thread for it.

Funny timing as I am just listening to Dana's interview with Julia Renfro from a year ago.   She was just saying that Nataleee's family has created massive chaos on their island.  

Just waiting for Sans POS remark....


Julia in the same interview indicated that murder/killings on Aruba are highly unlikely, maybe 1-2 a year and not with any tourist.  MsMarple would disagree.

Next was discussion on drugs in drinks - Julia indicated that in her position she would know if people were slipped drugs and that is not something that happens on Aruba.

These remarks from her from a year ago are hilarious.  Monkeys have proved over and over that you can pretty much reverse whatever she says.

I very seriously wonder if she's on some kind of medication. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:27:37 PM
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


She lives there and couldn't find it?  Yeah, right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
If Renfro is representative of Aruba (and in my opinion, she is), then who, knowing what is now known, would want to go there except criminals?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


I totally agree with you there, Klaas. If if was meant to distract us, then why didn't she go ahead and distract us?  :roll:

Hmmmmm...........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 01:43:14 PM
BT - have you ever compiled a list of all the foods gluten is in? I was just curious since you do so much for your hubby with this issue?

How about glenda and diva sell tickets, world of wrestling style?  :lol: or they could meet in the mall parking lot in MB to duke it out like they tried to do with that poor dean fella  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
If Renfro is representative of Aruba (and in my opinion, she is), then who, knowing what is now known, would want to go there except criminals?


I would have to disagree on this one.  I don't think Julia is representative of Aruba.  At least all the ones that I know are nothing like her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 01, 2007, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


Yep.... she said she needed a new card for her camera.  Yeah those are hard to get...  :roll:  

For my good friend San I just gotta say it:  Glenda is FOS!

Whew... feel better now.

Happy Sunday monks... am on a short break from yard work.  

FYI - in Omaha yesterday person found GUILTY of murder and no body was found.  Hmmmm.... guess it can be done huh?  I updated the case in the Missing Persons forum.

Have a great day all....

Beans


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
More from the interview with Julia from March 2006....Dana's remarks after the interview with Julia is that it "burns his butt" that the Chief of Police makes statements in a national network interview that the case is in its critical last stages, that it is drug/alcohol related -- but as Dana says - they don't move or bury someone that dies accidentally.

Caller #1 - from California indicated that the family muscled their way into Aruba, that Beth slandered J2K, etc.

Caller #2 - Roger (SCRUX)...regarding Beth being vindictive without any data to support..

I'm with Dana - you simply do not cover-up, lie, move or dispose of a body when someone dies accidentally.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


She lives there and couldn't find it?  Yeah, right!


Anyone who lived there could find it in their sleep.  Anyone who visited could easily find it as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Speaking of Julia/Glenda/Bondia.  Remember when she was going to go try and locate the rock area?  She said she couldn't find it?  I gave her explicit directions, photos, the video, etc.  No reason for her not to be able to find it.  Then we heard she was out of film (BS).

I bring this up because if the ROCK area was such a red herring, I would think she'd be more than willing to "find" it.  I still think the rock area was a crime scene.


She lives there and couldn't find it?  Yeah, right!


Anyone who lived there could find it in their sleep.  Anyone who visited could easily find it as well.

I guarantee you I'd find it :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 01:55:49 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
I agree Klaasend - Glenda wanted all to see it.   She even started a new thread for it.

Funny timing as I am just listening to Dana's interview with Julia Renfro from a year ago.   She was just saying that Nataleee's family has created massive chaos on their island.  

Just waiting for Sans POS remark....


Julia in the same interview indicated that murder/killings on Aruba are highly unlikely, maybe 1-2 a year and not with any tourist.  MsMarple would disagree.

Next was discussion on drugs in drinks - Julia indicated that in her position she would know if people were slipped drugs and that is not something that happens on Aruba.

These remarks from her from a year ago are hilarious.  Monkeys have proved over and over that you can pretty much reverse whatever she says.

Speaking of positions :lol: , I don't think Julia would know if someone was being drugged because she seems to be in the wrong position to see that  :wink: .

I'm not commenting about Hefty oh I mean Diva Too.  This is a grown woman who wanted to beat an MB kid up.  Enough said. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 01:56:17 PM
Well, friends, I'm off to watch my NASCAR race.  I will check back in later.  Everyone have a great afternoon!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 01:56:19 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
If Renfro is representative of Aruba (and in my opinion, she is), then who, knowing what is now known, would want to go there except criminals?


I would have to disagree on this one.  I don't think Julia is representative of Aruba.  At least all the ones that I know are nothing like her.


Point taken, Sleuth. Allow me to emend my statement as "representative of those representing Aruba".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/imageloading2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "casa"

She lives there and couldn't find it?  Yeah, right!


Anyone who lived there could find it in their sleep.  Anyone who visited could easily find it as well.

I guarantee you I'd find it :lol:


Me too :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
More from the interview with Julia from March 2006....Dana's remarks after the interview with Julia is that it "burns his butt" that the Chief of Police makes statements in a national network interview that the case is in its critical last stages, that it is drug/alcohol related -- but as Dana says - they don't move or bury someone that dies accidentally.

Caller #1 - from California indicated that the family muscled their way into Aruba, that Beth slandered J2K, etc.

Caller #2 - Roger (SCRUX)...regarding Beth being vindictive without any data to support..

I'm with Dana - you simply do not cover-up, lie, move or dispose of a body when someone dies accidentally.


This is the manner in which those with anti-social traits think. They are not to held accountable for any action of their own. It is always someone else's fault. My ex blamed me for him getting a DUI, because, as he stated, he would not have gone out to drink if I had just followed our earlier plans.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 02:01:39 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
If Renfro is representative of Aruba (and in my opinion, she is), then who, knowing what is now known, would want to go there except criminals?


I would have to disagree on this one.  I don't think Julia is representative of Aruba.  At least all the ones that I know are nothing like her.


Point taken, Sleuth. Allow me to emend my statement as "representative of those representing Aruba".


No problem, Justins.   If I had never been there and did not know many wonderful Arubans I would think the same thing.  It is sad how the authorities there could distroy themselves...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 02:04:33 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT - have you ever compiled a list of all the foods gluten is in? I was just curious since you do so much for your hubby with this issue?

How about glenda and diva sell tickets, world of wrestling style?  :lol: or they could meet in the mall parking lot in MB to duke it out like they tried to do with that poor dean fella  :lol:


None,

I've never compiled a list of the foods with gluten, but it's in almost everything. It's in most all grains (but not rice and corn), so anything with any wheat, oats, etc., will have gluten. It's also used as a thickener, so even soups and sauces have a lot of gluten in them. Interestingly enough, American tomato soup is full of gluten, but British tomato soup isn't. It's VERY difficult to buy any kind of food in America that doesn't have gluten or wheat somewhere in it. I've even seen it listed as an ingredient in some ice creams.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 02:05:10 PM
Sorry about the typos.  Destroy, not distroy.  I also see I added an 'e' to Natalee's name on an earlier post.  That's what I get for posting at the same time I am listening to old podcasts, responding to emails and chatting on two IMs at the same time   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 02:11:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT - have you ever compiled a list of all the foods gluten is in? I was just curious since you do so much for your hubby with this issue?

How about glenda and diva sell tickets, world of wrestling style?  :lol: or they could meet in the mall parking lot in MB to duke it out like they tried to do with that poor dean fella  :lol:


None,

I've never compiled a list of the foods with gluten, but it's in almost everything. It's in most all grains (but not rice and corn), so anything with any wheat, oats, etc., will have gluten. It's also used as a thickener, so even soups and sauces have a lot of gluten in them. Interestingly enough, American tomato soup is full of gluten, but British tomato soup isn't. It's VERY difficult to buy any kind of food in America that doesn't have gluten or wheat somewhere in it. I've even seen it listed as an ingredient in some ice creams.  :?


thanks BT, I've been researching since I'm concerned about flour now and I just knew you knew far more than I do. What I am finding supports exactly what you are stating, so how does hubby survive or enjoy foods for it does seem to be in so many things we eat??? poor him !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 02:13:46 PM
renfro = LOAD


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT - have you ever compiled a list of all the foods gluten is in? I was just curious since you do so much for your hubby with this issue?

How about glenda and diva sell tickets, world of wrestling style?  :lol: or they could meet in the mall parking lot in MB to duke it out like they tried to do with that poor dean fella  :lol:


None,

I've never compiled a list of the foods with gluten, but it's in almost everything. It's in most all grains (but not rice and corn), so anything with any wheat, oats, etc., will have gluten. It's also used as a thickener, so even soups and sauces have a lot of gluten in them. Interestingly enough, American tomato soup is full of gluten, but British tomato soup isn't. It's VERY difficult to buy any kind of food in America that doesn't have gluten or wheat somewhere in it. I've even seen it listed as an ingredient in some ice creams.  :?


thanks BT, I've been researching since I'm concerned about flour now and I just knew you knew far more than I do. What I am finding supports exactly what you are stating, so how does hubby survive or enjoy foods for it does seem to be in so many things we eat??? poor him !


Fortunately for hubby, he's British, so he's never been exposed to any exciting food that he might miss now.  :lol:

Seriously, health food stores have a lot of gluten-free products, and they're available online now as well. He can get cookies, pizzas, all sorts of things. What he can't buy, I bake for him from gluten-free baking mix. It's a lot easier now to find gluten-free products than it was just a few years ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 02:22:16 PM
Yuk I just saw Joe Tacopina walking with one of his favorite clients Bernie Kerick.  Kerick was in trouble for accepting gifts/bribes.  Joe T. says in the GQ article that he loves Bernie because he gives good gifts.  Bernie loves Joe so much that he goes crazy finding gifts to send him.  The Vitton briefcase, The Italian-navy watch all gifts from Bernie.  "No one has ever appreciated me as much as Bernie has," says Joe.

Hey Joe did you ever hear of regifting. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: "robots"
renfro = LOAD


 8)

Yes POS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Glenda just posted this at RU.  Guess there's a bit of fighting going on at RU:

Danse Macabre

Get a clue Danse. I'm in Aruba, everyone knows that except you. I do not share an IP with anyone else and just because someone "told" you in a PM that I share an IP with other posters doesn't make it a fact; and doesn't mean I'm part of a gang.

The only gang I'm a member of is the Honda Civic Gang  and I don't even own one.

You question why Diva stepped down from RU? Well it is probably because she was giving out posters real names, so I imagine it was Diva who told you that I share an IP with another poster here. Admirable thing for a mod to do, NOT.


Response by DivaToo:

(snipped)
Get over yourself Glenda. Everyone assumes Glenda is Julia. SO what if I referred to you as Julia in a post months and months ago?  It was an accident. I said that I was sorry. What else could I have done?
It's really unfortunate that you're so petty you can't let this go. I used to think alot of you until I read this and found out you were holding a grudge for this long.


Oops - guess VC at RU decided to move this into the Heated Exchange area  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:34:56 PM
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment

Gee and PVDS was only asking for pennies. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 02:37:19 PM
I just read the label on the Tomato soup. It does have gluten. ????
I guess it is a thickener.
I have a food sensitivity ( well many ) to corn and read labels for a long time. Corn Starch, Corn syrup is in a ton of foods also.
I have to alot of home cookin' here. Which in the long run is a good thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:39:39 PM
:arrow: APRIL FOOLS MONKEYS!!!!!!

my b-day is tomorrow....my mommy held me in til tomorrow just cuz she did not my life to be a joke from day one......

well--at least she tried :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
San ! my thought exactly ! thanks for letting us know FOM and I'd say a 1M settlement is an affirmation of significant error by the aruban officials!

poor paulus  :lol:

kat_gram, actually canadian flour has one of the highest levels of gluten of any, just an FYI from my research  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 02:41:10 PM
of FOM we fell for it  :lol:  :lol:

arrgh I need a break now  :lol: later monkeys !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
of FOM we fell for it  :lol:  :lol:

arrgh I need a break now  :lol: later monkeys !



hoping to get a monkey or two there...lol.....
with the internet....MJ will probably already have a line at his door...lol....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2007, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
:arrow: APRIL FOOLS MONKEYS!!!!!!

my b-day is tomorrow....my mommy held me in til tomorrow just cuz she did not my life to be a joke from day one......

well--at least she tried :roll:


FOM
You are very bad....hope FOB/medley posts it before reading this..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 02:45:21 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment


HONEST??????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment


HONEST??????


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:48:59 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
:arrow: APRIL FOOLS MONKEYS!!!!!!

my b-day is tomorrow....my mommy held me in til tomorrow just cuz she did not my life to be a joke from day one......

well--at least she tried :roll:


FOM
You are very bad....hope FOB/medley posts it before reading this..



we could delete the part where i said it was a joke right Klass...see how fast it flys?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 02:49:20 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
:arrow: APRIL FOOLS MONKEYS!!!!!!

my b-day is tomorrow....my mommy held me in til tomorrow just cuz she did not my life to be a joke from day one......

well--at least she tried :roll:


FOM
You are very bad....hope FOB/medley posts it before reading this..


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
SOMEONE SPANK ME!!!!!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
:arrow: APRIL FOOLS MONKEYS!!!!!!

my b-day is tomorrow....my mommy held me in til tomorrow just cuz she did not my life to be a joke from day one......

well--at least she tried :roll:


FOM
You are very bad....hope FOB/medley posts it before reading this..



we could delete the part where i said it was a joke right Klass...see how fast it flys?

Probably too late now


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 02:56:17 PM
hope u monkeys have a good day.......be good :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
San ! my thought exactly ! thanks for letting us know FOM and I'd say a 1M settlement is an affirmation of significant error by the aruban officials!

poor paulus  :lol:

kat_gram, actually canadian flour has one of the highest levels of gluten of any, just an FYI from my research  :?

It probably does, but I have never been concerned about gluten until this pet food thing. I bought organic flour milled at a historic mill here and made bread that would not rise. Took my problem to work and was told that there wasn't enough gluten and I should buy some and add a TBSP into the mix. I passed on that and just used it for brownies.
I used to get weekly free bread until the baker early retired from the Grain Commision where they do the testing to maintain the quality of Canadian wheat for export. They have the best labs and testing stuff. China and Japan send delegations here to learn.
It's this crapola that is coming in from across the ocean that is my concern. And not just grains.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
hope u monkeys have a good day.......be good :wink:

You are very bad. Happy Birthday to you ! !
I'll sing.
For she's a JOLLY GOOD FELLOW and SO SAY ALL OF US ! ! !
And many more. And don't get into too much trouble when celebrating ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:22:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Carpe

Whenever you post links to the pics you've "colorized" sotaspeak, they only look like random squares of color to me. Is there something I could use to view them that would turn them into pictures again? I mean, I know the views are clearer to some people than to others, but I don't even see the trash bag in the pics. All I see are blocks of color of differing degrees of color intensity - no shape of any kind at all except for the squares.

TY


I'll try harder. Thanks for the input.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Carpe

Whenever you post links to the pics you've "colorized" sotaspeak, they only look like random squares of color to me. Is there something I could use to view them that would turn them into pictures again? I mean, I know the views are clearer to some people than to others, but I don't even see the trash bag in the pics. All I see are blocks of color of differing degrees of color intensity - no shape of any kind at all except for the squares.

TY


Same here.  All links open as large color blobs.  I haven't been able to see an actual picture.






Hey Buyckeye!
That LARGE COLOR BLOB

WAS ANITA VAN DER SLOOT. ROFLMAO!!!


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/bunnydog.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Ah April Fools Day ! !
Google has one for free broadband you instal into yer toilet.  
Now I get it ! ! ! After 30 minutes.



Do they call it POOGLE?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
here is Googles little " joke ".
Carpe does way better stuff ! !
http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html


KAT GRAM,

You made my day!  :wink:  ty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
here is Googles little " joke ".
Carpe does way better stuff ! !
http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html


KAT GRAM,

You made my day!  :wink:  ty

Well you do and that is the truth.  ! !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Top 10 April Fools Jokes (Hoaxes)


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/top-10-april-fools-jokes-hoaxes/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: "robots"
renfro = LOAD


 8)




She's LOAD-TASTIC

The Load, Load LOADIEST.  :P

I hope she sits on a Runaway Dust Buster the ol' heifer.

She's mean to Natalee, and it gets me mad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Ah April Fools Day ! !
Google has one for free broadband you instal into yer toilet.  
Now I get it ! ! ! After 30 minutes.



Do they call it POOGLE?


 :lol:

Speaking of toilet add-ons...Roto Rooter is having a drawing for THE ULTIMATE SEAT OF POWER: "We're giving away a toilet unlike any you've ever seen.  Outfitted with an Xbox, a flat-screen TV, an iPod and more."

Sounds like something Joran would have requested for his room at KIA...

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/toilet.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 01, 2007, 05:19:19 PM
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 05:25:56 PM
Perfect! Sleuth. LOL :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Perfect! Sleuth. LOL :lol:


Yep, and mama would have brought it to him.



IGS - we all learned the hard way what Glenda was truly about.  Maybe the other sites will someday learn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 01, 2007, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"

IGS - we all learned the hard way what Glenda was truly about.  Maybe the other sites will someday learn.

Yea Sleuth, i *played nice* in the old days...or at least tried. :wink:

Thanks for the Pretzer review earlier, interesting read.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 05:34:17 PM
Hey RENFRO

The Grateful Dead stopped touring. Time to pile into your VW BUS

and go home.  


OOOOH LADDDDDDY!!!! You're crazyyyyyyyyyyyy

*cough*

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/Nutty_Professor.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/s4444D.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:


Even if she is, I'm sure FOB is there for her.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Sleuth"

IGS - we all learned the hard way what Glenda was truly about.  Maybe the other sites will someday learn.

Yea Sleuth, i *played nice* in the old days...or at least tried. :wink:

Thanks for the Pretzer review earlier, interesting read.


Me too, IGS.  I play nice unless I am decieved.  For me, it's all about integrity.  You either have it or you don't.

That night of the Julia Renfro interview was the first time I ever called into Dana'a program, but it was too late for the program as it was just ending.  Had a nice chat with Dana though and I ended up calling in a couple of weeks later on that same topic.

April 9 2006 - Dana podcast was great - an interview with Tom and Red..Tom spoke about how he came up with the Scared Monkeys name.  I see (or hear, rather) that I called in that night also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 01, 2007, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:

Shunned might be a better word. There were many similar quotes to choose from before i picked that one. Crazy, loopy, nutty, etc... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: mishy on April 01, 2007, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:

Shunned might be a better word. There were many similar quotes to choose from before i picked that one. Crazy, loopy, nutty, etc... :lol:

It's takes some people longer than others to figure it out.  How many times does she need to be caught in a lie?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 05:50:38 PM
Carpe, I laugh every time I see that avatar of yours..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:

Shunned might be a better word. There were many similar quotes to choose from before i picked that one. Crazy, loopy, nutty, etc... :lol:

It's takes some people longer than others to figure it out.  How many times does she need to be caught in a lie?   :lol:


And how much money does Aruba have to keep paying her to keep her lying?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: mishy on April 01, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
JUST spoke w/ MJ.

He accepted a million dollar settlement from aruba to drop his case against goverment



 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :lol:  8)  :wink:


OMG, I got taken in! Forgot what day it was  :oops:

Easily believable IMHO...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 05:51:46 PM
Regarding the "notes" posted by SandraK at FOB:

Sulton wrote:

It's not a crime if the owner of the diary leave it out in the open for all to read and copy.

JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

But he did not!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 05:52:19 PM
i don't know as much as Klass and other monkkeys about Julia/ Glenda....etc....

sounds like a sosiopath to me
i bet i spelled that wrong----but is she a frigging nut or what?????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Regarding the "notes" posted by SandraK at FOB:

Sulton wrote:

It's not a crime if the owner of the diary leave it out in the open for all to read and copy.

JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

But he did not!


This might get interesting..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Regarding the "notes" posted by SandraK at FOB:

Sulton wrote:

It's not a crime if the owner of the diary leave it out in the open for all to read and copy.

JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

But he did not!


This might get interesting..

 :wink: Yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 06:02:55 PM
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 06:04:58 PM
the real question that i have is....

on the refer SITE

who is JORAN ??????

who is paulus ??

who is anita ????

cause, they are there trying to convince their CRACK PIPE SMOKERS that
joran is innocent


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


OMG

toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo   funny


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 06:09:05 PM
I thought the RU folks worshiped Glenda/Julia just like they worship the van dersloots.  Times they are a changin!  According to them everything Julia did was wonderful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


I'm not quite so confident that she would have understood.  She might have thought those were compliments   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 06:13:24 PM
Good morning monkeys.

Earthquake 7.+ near Solomon Islands. Japan warns tsunami possible in Pacific ocean.
Not an April Fools Day joke.

I see FOM caught a few sleepy monkeys   :lol:  :lol: [/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
Casa, you look like you could be one of CATs offspring.  The good news is that he does not consider kittens edible. He sticks to chickens, bunnies and lephrechans.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Casa, you look like you could be one of CATs offspring.  The good news is that he does not consider kittens edible. He sticks to chickens, bunnies and lephrechans.


I think I might be related to CAT!  Sure glad to hear that he only eats chickens, bunnies and lephrechans!  I'd like to stay around for a while! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Good morning monkeys.

Earthquake 7.+ near Solomon Islands. Japan warns tsunami possible in Pacific ocean.
Not an April Fools Day joke.

I see FOM caught a few sleepy monkeys   :lol:  :lol: [/b]


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Australia.gif)

7.6


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 01, 2007, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Regarding the "notes" posted by SandraK at FOB:

Sulton wrote:

It's not a crime if the owner of the diary leave it out in the open for all to read and copy.

JR Dutch Attorney wrote:

But he did not!

Note: JR is pushing the criminal angle because that was his original excuse for allowing the diaries to be posted. Makes no sense, but he must stick with it now to avoid explaining how he could have screwed Joran over out of his own petty personal interest.

Sulton is closing in on the truth and Black Tulip assists...

"You can give permission to download files from your computer with a P2P program. If you make an error and put the wrong files in the share directory...then it's not a crime when someone gets them.

Case closed - The sporter pushed the wrong button, FOB sold him down the river, and many know it. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:20:25 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Good morning monkeys.

Earthquake 7.+ near Solomon Islands. Japan warns tsunami possible in Pacific ocean.
Not an April Fools Day joke.

I see FOM caught a few sleepy monkeys   :lol:  :lol: [/b]


Magnitude 7.6
Date-Time Sunday, April 1, 2007 at 20:39:56 (UTC) = Coordinated Universal Time
Monday, April 2, 2007 at 7:39:56 AM  = local time at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
 
Location 8.474°S, 156.950°E
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region SOLOMON ISLANDS

Distances 4
5 km (25 miles) SSE of Gizo, New Georgia Islands, Solomon Isl.
205 km (125 miles) S of Chirovanga, Choiseul, Solomon Islands
345 km (215 miles) WNW of HONIARA, Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands
2145 km (1330 miles) NNE of BRISBANE, Queensland, Australia
 
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 9.1 km (5.7 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters Nst=148, Nph=148, Dmin=345.9 km, Rmss=1.2 sec, Gp= 32°,
M-type=moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6  

Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID us2007aqbk
http://tinyurl.com/3b8qlv


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: mishy on April 01, 2007, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


How hilarious Klaas...however, I do think it is incredibly rude for people who have a guest in their home to speak another language other than the guest's native tongue...But then again, we knew they had no manners, scruples, couth, or common decency, much less regard for their fellow man...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 06:24:35 PM
If BT is still about - I also have trouble seeing anything in Carpe's latest graphics.  I could see details quite clearly in the earlier ones he posted.  I found for the difficult ones it was better to walk away from the screen and view at a fair distance.    Some colours are better to view than others and I guess it also depends on your eyes as everyone sees colours differently.

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
If BT is still about - I also have trouble seeing anything in Carpe's latest graphics.  I could see details quite clearly in the earlier ones he posted.  I found for the difficult ones it was better to walk away from the screen and view at a fair distance.    Some colours are better to view than others and I guess it also depends on your eyes as everyone sees colours differently.

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


Tibro - could you feel any shaking where you are?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


Tib - I so hope that nothing comes of this in regards to Australia.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on April 01, 2007, 06:29:27 PM
Tib,I hope all of Oz is spared.Klass,you have mail,to be posted,cause i don't know how.If they want to fight,may i watch and sell tickets.Casa,I am not a cannibal,and you cute,now.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:30:42 PM
Earthquake would have been at

Sunday, April 01, 2007 at 03:39:56 PM (EST) - Eastern Standard


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Tib,I hope all of Oz is spared.Klass,you have mail,to be posted,cause i don't know how.If they want to fight,may i watch and sell tickets.Casa,I am not a cannibal,and you cute,now.cat


Haha thanks Cat!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 06:32:35 PM
I  knew Klaas and Sleuth would have the information.  I hope nothing eventuates also.  They have warned before and only had a few inches rise in the tide but I suppose after the big one that they missed they have to cover all warnings.
It will only affect the north of Aust and I am safely tucked away down here in the South.
The reef certainly does not need any more stress.  The global warming and tourism is doing enough damage.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 01, 2007, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)


I'm not quite so confident that she would have understood.  She might have thought those were compliments   :wink:


JULIA SPEAKS AND UNDERSTANDS CRACKIAMENTO

TIBS__u got me back...lol....when u said "morning monkeys" i thought i was in the wrong thread...lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Tib,I hope all of Oz is spared.Klass,you have mail,to be posted,cause i don't know how.If they want to fight,may i watch and sell tickets.Casa,I am not a cannibal,and you cute,now.cat

CAT - check your email please  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
If BT is still about - I also have trouble seeing anything in Carpe's latest graphics.  I could see details quite clearly in the earlier ones he posted.  I found for the difficult ones it was better to walk away from the screen and view at a fair distance.    Some colours are better to view than others and I guess it also depends on your eyes as everyone sees colours differently.

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


They just had another one, a 6.7 in the same area


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I  knew Klaas and Sleuth would have the information.  I hope nothing eventuates also.  They have warned before and only had a few inches rise in the tide but I suppose after the big one that they missed they have to cover all warnings.
It will only affect the north of Aust and I am safely tucked away down here in the South.
The reef certainly does not need any more stress.  The global warming and tourism is doing enough damage.


Area of tsunami warning, and an indication of where our Tib is tucked away at..
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Tsunami.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Yesterday, Medleyrelay explained that the VDS spoke Dutch at home, even when she was there.  Today someone asked Medley today if she understood them.  This was Medley's answer, LOL  :lol:

When they spoke to me in English.

I still invision this :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VDSMedley.jpg)



I don't have my good laptop with the big screen...

does that MED-HEAD Relay cartoon say

"She is nuts"


or

"She has nuts?"  
8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"


Magnitude 7.6
Date-Time Sunday, April 1, 2007 at 20:39:56 (UTC) = Coordinated Universal Time
Monday, April 2, 2007 at 7:39:56 AM  = local time at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
 
Location 8.474°S, 156.950°E
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region SOLOMON ISLANDS

Distances 4
5 km (25 miles) SSE of Gizo, New Georgia Islands, Solomon Isl.
205 km (125 miles) S of Chirovanga, Choiseul, Solomon Islands
345 km (215 miles) WNW of HONIARA, Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands
2145 km (1330 miles) NNE of BRISBANE, Queensland, Australia
 
[


One shaking report so far registered regarding the larger earthquake.  Report is of light shaking/no damage at Honiara, which is 345 km/215 miles away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
If BT is still about - I also have trouble seeing anything in Carpe's latest graphics.  I could see details quite clearly in the earlier ones he posted.  I found for the difficult ones it was better to walk away from the screen and view at a fair distance.    Some colours are better to view than others and I guess it also depends on your eyes as everyone sees colours differently.

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


They just had another one, a 6.7 in the same area





You guys.... I have been working with these pics for the last year.


It takes STUDYING THEM FOR HOURS AND HOURS ON END... it took me

months on top of months to be able to see exactly what is in them.

-along the way, I had seen some things that I mistakenly thought

were there... but were in fact not.-

****

So

I am not offended

in the slightest. In fact, you all are very correct, they are extremely

difficult to make sense of.


...but I promise you, I would not waste your time in posting

the links... unless I truly believed with my heart & soul in what

I am  :shock:

thanks for even taking
the time to look at them, you guys!

I love ya,

all of yas. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
If BT is still about - I also have trouble seeing anything in Carpe's latest graphics.  I could see details quite clearly in the earlier ones he posted.  I found for the difficult ones it was better to walk away from the screen and view at a fair distance.    Some colours are better to view than others and I guess it also depends on your eyes as everyone sees colours differently.

Earthquake was 7.8 and tsunami warning for Qld's north and Great Barrier Reef area which would reach there in about an hour if it eventuates.  Warning based on the earthquake only and no evidence of tsunami yet.[/b]


They just had another one, a 6.7 in the same area





You guys.... I have been working with these pics for the last year.


It takes STUDYING THEM FOR HOURS AND HOURS ON END... it took me

months on top of months to be able to see exactly what is in them.

-along the way, I had seen some things that I mistakenly thought

were there... but were in fact not.-

****

So

I am not offended

in the slightest. In fact, you all are very correct, they are extremely

difficult to make sense of.


...but I promise you, I would not waste your time in posting

the links... unless I truly believed with my heart & soul in what

I am  :shock:

thanks for even taking
the time to look at them, you guys!

I love ya,

all of yas. :wink:



good job CARPE 8)


RENFRO makes me  :pukel:  :puker:

 :pukel:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 06:53:55 PM
Here is an easy one to make out.

 8)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/7nataleewallpaper7.png


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 06:55:25 PM
LOL :lol:  (ren-hoe)


Hey, TY ROBOTS.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 06:59:36 PM
TIB - keep an eye out on the reports there as I am seeing that a tsunami was generated, and that if it did reach Australia it could go down along the eastern coast.  Estimated time for Hobart is approx. 3 hours after Cairnes...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:01:21 PM
Hey Carpe, I have been following all your pics since you first started to post them.  I am in awe of what you are able to do in all the colour inversions and just heartsick at what I can see in them.
Thank you from this one monkey for all you have done and for sharing them with us.  We will get justice for Natalee's family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 07:05:35 PM
I have a personal observation about all the mess going on at RU.  Some seem to be upset because poor little Joran's private diary was stolen and plastered on the internet.  None of them give too hoots about Joran or his diary.  They are mad because more of his lies, in his own words, are there for everyone to see.  Furthermore, they don't care to support Joran and his family.  All they are interested in is bashing Natalee, her family and the community of Mountain Brook.  I'm sure each has his/her own reasons, whatever they are.  In my opinion to feel such hatred toward people they don't even know is an indication of a sick mine.  Some sicker than others.  It is really sad.  Anyway, that hatred can only go on so long and they will turn on each other as we are beginning to see.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 07:07:09 PM
MEASUREMENTS OR REPORTS OF TSUNAMI WAVE ACTIVITY
 HONIARA  15CM ZERO-TO-PEAK OBSERVED AT 21:37 GMT

EVALUATION

SEA LEVEL READINGS INDICATE A TSUNAMI WAS GENERATED. IT MAY HAVE BEEN DESTRUCTIVE ALONG COASTS NEAR THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER AND COULD ALSO BE A THREAT TO MORE DISTANT COASTS. AUTHORITIES SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION IN RESPONSE TO THIS POSSIBILITY. THIS CENTER WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR SEA LEVEL DATA TO DETERMINE THE EXTENT AND SEVERITY OF THE THREAT.                                  
                                                                     
FOR ALL AREAS - WHEN NO MAJOR WAVES ARE OBSERVED FOR TWO HOURS AFTER THE ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL OR DAMAGING WAVES HAVE NOT OCCURRED FOR AT LEAST TWO HOURS THEN LOCAL AUTHORITIES CAN ASSUME THE THREAT IS PASSED. DANGER TO BOATS AND COASTAL STRUCTURES CAN CONTINUE FOR SEVERAL HOURS DUE TO RAPID CURRENTS. AS LOCAL CONDITIONS CAN CAUSE A WIDE VARIATION IN TSUNAMI WAVE ACTION THE ALL CLEAR DETERMINATION MUST BE MADE BY LOCAL AUTHORITIES.          

ESTIMATED INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE ARRIVAL TIMES. ACTUAL ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST. THE TIME  BETWEEN SUCCESSIVE TSUNAMI WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR.

 LOCATION  --- COORDINATES --  ARRIVAL TIME
 --------------------------------    ------------             ------------
AUSTRALIA  CAIRNS -- 16.7S 145.8E-- 2349Z 01 APR
                  BRISBANE  -- 27.2S 153.3E -- 0033Z 02 APR
                  SYDNEY  -- 33.9S 151.4E -- 0114Z 02 APR
                  GLADSTONE  -- 23.8S 151.4E -- 0139Z 02 APR
                  MACKAY  -- 21.1S 149.3E -- 0144Z 02 APR
                  HOBART              43.3S 147.6E -- 0245Z 02 APR


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: Sleuth
TIB - keep an eye out on the reports there as I am seeing that a tsunami was generated, and that if it did reach Australia it could go down along the eastern coast.  Estimated time for Hobart is approx. 3 hours after Cairnes...[/quote
Thanks Sleuth
On the Sky cable news channel now and they are saying quake was 8.1 and houses in Solomon Is have been damaged by tsunami but no clear reports from there yet.  Warning people in Qld and now NSW to get out of the surf and stay out of shallow water.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 07:09:14 PM
Carpe

You have done a great job with the trash bag photos, and normally I can see something in the pics. When I say the colorized ones come through as squares of color - that's all they come through as. It isn't as if I can see the bag but can't see anything in it. All I can see are squares of color. Is that what I'm supposed to see when I look at them?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Here is an easy one to make out.

 8)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/7nataleewallpaper7.png


That one is PERFECT.  Please don't be offended that I only see blobs in some of the others.  I did finally see the madonna silouette in the one bag.  I know how hard you work.  I just thought maybe my settings were off and I had no idea how to focus it. I really do believe you.  It's me that I wonder about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:14:44 PM
An example of Karma in action :

That muslim cleric who mouthed off over here about women and how they dress etc., is now under investigation about tens of thousands of dollars missing from charity donations.   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 07:37:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Carpe

You have done a great job with the trash bag photos, and normally I can see something in the pics. When I say the colorized ones come through as squares of color - that's all they come through as. It isn't as if I can see the bag but can't see anything in it. All I can see are squares of color. Is that what I'm supposed to see when I look at them?



hi there Bt...

No, there are more than just squares a color there

they have form, a form not easily seen, but it is there in my eyes.

I try on many of them to use lines, hot boxes, and juxtaposition

to showcase them in the best possible way when possible.

I'll keep workin on it.

---------

Hey Tibro,

Thait is kind of you, thank you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 01, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
GARBAGE IN / GARBAGE OUT   :arrow:  RENFRO

Too late to remove the smell for RU, but at least one trash bag is being tossed...

"Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and you're *friends* have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho."


Is she banned from RU?  ROFLMAO  :lol:


You gotta really be an a-hole to get banned from there!  Too funny  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:38:48 PM
Latest :

They have just cancelled tsunami warning.
Villages damaged and people missing in Solomons


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Here is an easy one to make out.

 8)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/7nataleewallpaper7.png


That one is PERFECT.  Please don't be offended that I only see blobs in some of the others.  I did finally see the madonna silouette in the one bag.  I know how hard you work.  I just thought maybe my settings were off and I had no idea how to focus it. I really do believe you.  It's me that I wonder about.


 :lol:

Not at all.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Latest :

They have just cancelled tsunami warning.
Villages damaged and people missing in Solomons


Tibro - thanks but very sad.  Did you see there was a 6.7 earthquake in the same area just a while after?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Carpe

You have done a great job with the trash bag photos, and normally I can see something in the pics. When I say the colorized ones come through as squares of color - that's all they come through as. It isn't as if I can see the bag but can't see anything in it. All I can see are squares of color. Is that what I'm supposed to see when I look at them?



hi there Bt...

No, there are more than just squares a color there

they have form, a form not easily seen, but it is there in my eyes.

I try on many of them to use lines, hot boxes, and juxtaposition

to showcase them in the best possible way when possible.

I'll keep workin on it.

---------

Hey Tibro,

Thait is kind of you, thank you!


Thanks, Carpe. I'll keep trying to focus and see if I can get my eyes to work properly.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 07:45:10 PM
BRB - Need to pick up dinner


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Latest :

They have just cancelled tsunami warning.
Villages damaged and people missing in Solomons


Tibro - thanks but very sad.  Did you see there was a 6.7 earthquake in the same area just a while after?


I saw where you posted that but no mention of it on news here yet.  It is difficult to get accurate reports from these remote islands - not a lot of technology there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
BRB - Need to pick up dinner



Get me the chicken and rib combo, it's a number 7!

Robots says, only get the packaged salt & ketchup. Nothing off the table!!!!
 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 07:52:28 PM
I saw the subsequent 6.7 quake also.  Sad for that area.  

I do see the tsunami cancellations also.  Good news for Australia, but I bet there will be a very high surf today...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
BRB - Need to pick up dinner



Get me the chicken and rib combo, it's a number 7!

Robots says, only get the packaged salt & ketchup. Nothing off the table!!!!
 :D


you got that RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
On the Sky cable news channel now and they are saying quake was 8.1 and houses in Solomon Is have been damaged by tsunami but no clear reports from there yet.  Warning people in Qld and now NSW to get out of the surf and stay out of shallow water.


Tib, there are two scales.  We use the Richter scale, but I believe Sky cable is using the Moment scale...

   MAGNITUDE   - 8.1  MOMENT
   MAGNITUDE   - 7.6  RICHTER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 07:55:36 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/04/01/quake.tsunami/index.html

Tsunami warnings for Pacific after quake
POSTED: 7:19 p.m. EDT, April 1, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 07:58:30 PM
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=3eb07db4-d7d7-47d4-a358-68eb00674abb

Massive earthquake triggers tsunami in Solomon Islands; 4 reported missingThe Associated Press
Published: Sunday, April 01, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
BRB - Need to pick up dinner



Get me the chicken and rib combo, it's a number 7!

Robots says, only get the packaged salt & ketchup. Nothing off the table!!!!
 :D
He is a very smart robot! :lol:  All kidding aside, though I even read where we should wash bannanas and cantelopes etc, things with peels. The article said "Do you know how many hands have grabbed those bananas , and cantelopes?" Said when you cut the cantelope you could be inserting bacteria with the blade! :shock:   Hello monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
On the Sky cable news channel now and they are saying quake was 8.1 and houses in Solomon Is have been damaged by tsunami but no clear reports from there yet.  Warning people in Qld and now NSW to get out of the surf and stay out of shallow water.


Tib, there are two scales.  We use the Richter scale, but I believe Sky cable is using the Moment scale...

   MAGNITUDE   - 8.1  MOMENT
   MAGNITUDE   - 7.6  RICHTER


That explains it then - I always thought there was only the Richter Scale.  Why would they need to change?
I bet all the Byron Bay surfies are out in the surf already  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "klaasend"
BRB - Need to pick up dinner



Get me the chicken and rib combo, it's a number 7!

Robots says, only get the packaged salt & ketchup. Nothing off the table!!!!
 :D
He is a very smart robot! :lol:  All kidding aside, though I even read where we should wash bannanas and cantelopes etc, things with peels. The article said "Do you know how many hands have grabbed those bananas , and cantelopes?" Said when you cut the cantelope you could be inserting bacteria with the blade! :shock:   Hello monkeys!


yep, thats right !!

when you peel, you should use another to cut and dice..


robots the germaphobic
 8)  :shock:  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 08:07:54 PM
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 01, 2007, 08:08:09 PM
I read an article about germs in the Scientific American a year or two ago. They had pictures.
Bathrooms : Cover up your toothbrushes.
Kitchens : Change that dishrag / towel frequently.
I go thu a liter of bleach a week and I am not a germ-o-phobic like Robots.
Use a paper towel when leaving a public restroom to open the door after you just washed your hands.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 08:10:20 PM
Well I am out of here for a while.  Things that have to be done.
Will BBL to see what I have missed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=3eb07db4-d7d7-47d4-a358-68eb00674abb

Massive earthquake triggers tsunami in Solomon Islands; 4 reported missingThe Associated Press
Published: Sunday, April 01, 2007
Had to reboot my computer, This is awful. I am praying for all involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:12:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)
LOL :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I read an article about germs in the Scientific American a year or two ago. They had pictures.
Bathrooms : Cover up your toothbrushes.
Kitchens : Change that dishrag / towel frequently.
I go thu a liter of bleach a week and I am not a germ-o-phobic like Robots.
Use a paper towel when leaving a public restroom to open the door after you just washed your hands.
I use a lot of Bleach too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:16:47 PM
Sleuth and Tibro - they are calling it an 8.0 now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 08:17:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!

30 Minutes. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!

30 Minutes. :lol:

Pretty good figuring I had to get on the freeway and everything  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 01, 2007, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!


How do you do that :?:  :?:  :?:  I can't get to the restuarant and back in that time, and we are 3 miles from there.   :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!


How do you do that :?:  :?:  :?:  I can't get to the restuarant and back in that time, and we are 3 miles from there.   :shock:  :shock:
She must have some kind of super powers we do not know about! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:28:32 PM
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!


How do you do that :?:  :?:  :?:  I can't get to the restuarant and back in that time, and we are 3 miles from there.   :shock:  :shock:

I scamper :lol:  :lol:  Actually the traffic sucked on the way but coming back no problem.  The restaurant is probably 5-6 miles away.  We called in the order so all I had to do is pay and come back home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?

On my way to, I was lucky to hit 40.  Returning I probably hit 70.  Normally, any slower than 70 you get run over.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sleuth and Tibro - they are calling it an 8.0 now.


Just made some calls - I will have a direct report from Queensland in about an hour....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?

On my way to, I was lucky to hit 40.  Returning I probably hit 70.  Normally, any slower than 70 you get run over.  :wink:
Wow... that is what I was afraid of! 70 is fast to me, around here it is 55,LOL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 01, 2007, 08:34:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?

On my way to, I was lucky to hit 40.  Returning I probably hit 70.  Normally, any slower than 70 you get run over.  :wink:


Boy you are not kidding about the 70+++ speed limit.  when we visit my Mom in Oceanside, flying in from San Diego  and driving north it is a like an Indy race!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?

On my way to, I was lucky to hit 40.  Returning I probably hit 70.  Normally, any slower than 70 you get run over.  :wink:

You were speeding.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/speeding.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:36:04 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sleuth and Tibro - they are calling it an 8.0 now.


Just made some calls - I will have a direct report from Queensland in about an hour....
Sleuth, my prayers are with everyone affected by this!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 01, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Sleuth and Tibro - they are calling it an 8.0 now.


Just made some calls - I will have a direct report from Queensland in about an hour....


Thanks Sleuth... you know everyone around the world!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?

On my way to, I was lucky to hit 40.  Returning I probably hit 70.  Normally, any slower than 70 you get run over.  :wink:


Boy you are not kidding about the 70+++ speed limit.  when we visit my Mom in Oceanside, flying in from San Diego  and driving north it is a like an Indy race!! :lol:
I would have to be like that female astronaut and wear a diaper on those trips! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 08:41:37 PM
Hi everyone-sorry if this has been posted already,but if not thought you might want to know what's going on in HE:
 

Trixie wrote:
But JR said that the VDSs denied he/they knew. So, which is true?

Sultan wrote:
Yes they knew as well as JR knows exactly who came across it. It came out in the open about the same time all the christmas pics of Joran ended up on that anti joran blog.
The person who came across the images told JR how he knows about them as well as some other things Joran had shared out. And asked JR to tell the VDS about the images. This person was concerned with what he found and thought the VDS should know.

Trixie wrote:
Well that makes sense, but why would JR now make the post about a "criminal act" and that he had turned it over to the authorities after he said he had talked to the VDSs?

Sultan wrote:
You will have to ask him. I don't don't know a thing about why he thinks this that way. the only reason I spoke out is they were trying to claim this was a criminal act and the person who happened apon them is not a criminal and in know way broke any law.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Carnut on April 01, 2007, 08:41:44 PM
Cali speed limits still weren't high enough for me.

I have an outstanding speeding ticket from Sunnyvale that I wonder if the statute of limitations has run out on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/eq.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: "Carnut"
Cali speed limits still weren't high enough for me.

I have an outstanding speeding ticket from Sunnyvale that I wonder if the statute of limitations has run out on.
Carnut, Hello!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone-sorry if this has been posted already,but if not thought you might want to know what's going on in HE:
 

Trixie wrote:
But JR said that the VDSs denied he/they knew. So, which is true?

Sultan wrote:
Yes they knew as well as JR knows exactly who came across it. It came out in the open about the same time all the christmas pics of Joran ended up on that anti joran blog.
The person who came across the images told JR how he knows about them as well as some other things Joran had shared out. And asked JR to tell the VDS about the images. This person was concerned with what he found and thought the VDS should know.

Trixie wrote:
Well that makes sense, but why would JR now make the post about a "criminal act" and that he had turned it over to the authorities after he said he had talked to the VDSs?

Sultan wrote:
You will have to ask him. I don't don't know a thing about why he thinks this that way. the only reason I spoke out is they were trying to claim this was a criminal act and the person who happened apon them is not a criminal and in know way broke any law.


GEL - thanks, I hadn't seen that yet.  The plot thickens, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
I'm timing Klaas. :lol:  :lol:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Watch.gif)

Back and done eating  :lol: Plus, this place was further away than usual!


How do you do that :?:  :?:  :?:  I can't get to the restuarant and back in that time, and we are 3 miles from there.   :shock:  :shock:
She must have some kind of super powers we do not know about! :wink:


I'm tellin' ya, klaas teletransports!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:46:32 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone-sorry if this has been posted already,but if not thought you might want to know what's going on in HE:
 

Trixie wrote:
But JR said that the VDSs denied he/they knew. So, which is true?

Sultan wrote:
Yes they knew as well as JR knows exactly who came across it. It came out in the open about the same time all the christmas pics of Joran ended up on that anti joran blog.
The person who came across the images told JR how he knows about them as well as some other things Joran had shared out. And asked JR to tell the VDS about the images. This person was concerned with what he found and thought the VDS should know.

Trixie wrote:
Well that makes sense, but why would JR now make the post about a "criminal act" and that he had turned it over to the authorities after he said he had talked to the VDSs?

Sultan wrote:
You will have to ask him. I don't don't know a thing about why he thinks this that way. the only reason I spoke out is they were trying to claim this was a criminal act and the person who happened apon them is not a criminal and in know way broke any law.


GEL - thanks, I hadn't seen that yet.  The plot thickens, lol  :lol:
It sure does! I think that the biggest fear they have about the whole incident, is that the Monkeys got to read the crap! :smt003  :smt003 And that is exactly my opinion on whatever all that garbage was..a bunch of L-Y-I-N-G Crap! More of Joran's BS Lies. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
On the Sky cable news channel now and they are saying quake was 8.1 and houses in Solomon Is have been damaged by tsunami but no clear reports from there yet.  Warning people in Qld and now NSW to get out of the surf and stay out of shallow water.


Tib, there are two scales.  We use the Richter scale, but I believe Sky cable is using the Moment scale...

   MAGNITUDE   - 8.1  MOMENT
   MAGNITUDE   - 7.6  RICHTER


That's a heck of a quake! Coming in late here... where was the epicenter?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 01, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
For some reason, I'm not staying logged in...

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Hi everyone-sorry if this has been posted already,but if not thought you might want to know what's going on in HE:
 

Trixie wrote:
But JR said that the VDSs denied he/they knew. So, which is true?

Sultan wrote:
Yes they knew as well as JR knows exactly who came across it. It came out in the open about the same time all the christmas pics of Joran ended up on that anti joran blog.
The person who came across the images told JR how he knows about them as well as some other things Joran had shared out. And asked JR to tell the VDS about the images. This person was concerned with what he found and thought the VDS should know.

Trixie wrote:
Well that makes sense, but why would JR now make the post about a "criminal act" and that he had turned it over to the authorities after he said he had talked to the VDSs?

Sultan wrote:
You will have to ask him. I don't don't know a thing about why he thinks this that way. the only reason I spoke out is they were trying to claim this was a criminal act and the person who happened apon them is not a criminal and in know way broke any law.


GEL - thanks, I hadn't seen that yet.  The plot thickens, lol  :lol:


GEL - are they saying anything about those photoshopped pics?  The one Joran paid someone to photoshop him with Natalee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:00:37 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 09:03:14 PM
Good Evening, Monkeys,

Is Glenda/Julia claiming somebody exposed her email address as being shared with ATA?  That is hilarious because I clearly remember she posted what she claimed was hate email she received personally and the address it was sent to was ATA.  I'd have to say she exposed that herself and not Diva.

And I also remember when both Tyler and I were scolded for not being nice to Bon Dia when she was posting lies here.  Now I hate to be one to say I told you so, but

Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!


Sometimes we old folk can be pretty good judges of people's character or in this instance, lack thereof.

But the all time creepout ever from a poster for me was when she posted about how those boys would have been totally traumatized from touching dead flesh or something to that effect.

I would think Klaas will also remember that one because it just sounds so personally involved.  Do you recall that Klaas?  Sort of hard to forget but she actually posted something like that, I am paraphrasing, at RU.   :shock:   Like that is the real tragedy in all this?????   :evil:

I can understand Monkeys supporting the family of a missing child like Natalee but I will never understand this hatred for the families of missing children.  Many have been exposed to it in other cases but this is my first to be this involved with and I find it truly shocking.  

I can't imagine support like this for the last person seen with somebody missing in this country but then they do seem to develop a fan club and women wanting the marry them even in prison after being convicted of murder so guess it is sort of like that?

And having turned in a hard drive that was hacked to the FBI, I did find that prosecuting those responsible if they are in another country is not as easy as one might think.  In fact, doing anything is very difficult so if somebody hacked Joran's computer from this country, I seriously doubt that there is one thing that could or would be done about it.  Unless it involves serious theft of something tangible like money or support for terrorists, etc. I doubt that the authorities care very much.  At least that is what I found.   :roll:  

They have so many internet café's, etc. from which to do things, impossible to pin something down.  So I wonder just what legal ramifications that JR thinks are involved in this?  If they can remove all the drives from computers more or less at will, taking a diary file should be of very minor concern.  He is supposed to be a lawyer and should know that international treaties are not going to be applied to some kid's diary, etc.

I don't see how what was posted, if written by Joran, either helps or hurts him in any way.  Everyone already knew he was a liar and changed his story every time he told it.  Why would this be any different?

Am I missing something in all this?  I have not been to RU to read and really don't have time but I am guessing this is considered some sort of breach of Joran's trust?  Remember when Julia told that the vdSloots were going to be in NYC?  That is how JQK was able to serve them.

Also some of those photos posted at Joransblog or whatever that photo site was I think she took from somewhere so it is established that she stabs everybody in the back just as she did Beth.  

And her camera would not work to find the painted rocks but the same day she posted all those photos and tried to use Leon van Loon as yet another red herring??  Photos of him in that bright yellow car but no camera for the rocks?    She and scubajap tried so hard to tie him to this.  That is what I think they also did with Lorenzo.

Just my random and scattered thoughts on this comedy of errors they are playing out on those strange and hostile sites.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Good Evening, Monkeys,

Is Glenda/Julia claiming somebody exposed her email address as being shared with ATA?  That is hilarious because I clearly remember she posted what she claimed was hate email she received personally and the address it was sent to was ATA.  I'd have to say she exposed that herself and not Diva.

And I also remember when both Tyler and I were scolded for not being nice to Bon Dia when she was posting lies here.  Now I hate to be one to say I told you so, but

Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!  Told ya so!


Sometimes we old folk can be pretty good judges of people's character or in this instance, lack thereof.

But the all time creepout ever from a poster for me was when she posted about how those boys would have been totally traumatized from touching dead flesh or something to that effect.

I would think Klaas will also remember that one because it just sounds so personally involved.  Do you recall that Klaas?  Sort of hard to forget but she actually posted something like that, I am paraphrasing, at RU.   :shock:   Like that is the real tragedy in all this?????   :evil:

I can understand Monkeys supporting the family of a missing child like Natalee but I will never understand this hatred for the families of missing children.  Many have been exposed to it in other cases but this is my first to be this involved with and I find it truly shocking.  

I can't imagine support like this for the last person seen with somebody missing in this country but then they do seem to develop a fan club and women wanting the marry them even in prison after being convicted of murder so guess it is sort of like that?

And having turned in a hard drive that was hacked to the FBI, I did find that prosecuting those responsible if they are in another country is not as easy as one might think.  In fact, doing anything is very difficult so if somebody hacked Joran's computer from this country, I seriously doubt that there is one thing that could or would be done about it.  Unless it involves serious theft of something tangible like money or support for terrorists, etc. I doubt that the authorities care very much.  At least that is what I found.   :roll:  

They have so many internet café's, etc. from which to do things, impossible to pin something down.  So I wonder just what legal ramifications that JR thinks are involved in this?  If they can remove all the drives from computers more or less at will, taking a diary file should be of very minor concern.  He is supposed to be a lawyer and should know that international treaties are not going to be applied to some kid's diary, etc.

I don't see how what was posted, if written by Joran, either helps or hurts him in any way.  Everyone already knew he was a liar and changed his story every time he told it.  Why would this be any different?

Am I missing something in all this?  I have not been to RU to read and really don't have time but I am guessing this is considered some sort of breach of Joran's trust?  Remember when Julia told that the vdSloots were going to be in NYC?  That is how JQK was able to serve them.

Also some of those photos posted at Joransblog or whatever that photo site was I think she took from somewhere so it is established that she stabs everybody in the back just as she did Beth.  

And her camera would not work to find the painted rocks but the same day she posted all those photos and tried to use Leon van Loon as yet another red herring??  Photos of him in that bright yellow car but no camera for the rocks?    She and scubajap tried so hard to tie him to this.  That is what I think they also did with Lorenzo.

Just my random and scattered thoughts on this comedy of errors they are playing out on those strange and hostile sites.

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Anna - yes I do remember that and I might even have saved that post.  I'll have to search through my archives.  It was posted at RU if I'm not mistaken.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
Anna  :lol:  :lol: the told ya has me cracking up, little none too  :lol:  :lol:

if I had a dime for every PM and email I received from SMS over folks on SM not loving the bondia I'd never need to bake a cookie again  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
UPDATE

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/04/01/quake.reut/index.html

People missing after tsunami
POSTED: 8:46 p.m. EDT, April 1, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 09:12:53 PM
Okay Klaas more just for you... :wink:  :D

ElaineS wrote:
Uh oh... all? Holy cow, this is getting more interesting by the second. But listen Sultan, since according to the FOBers those of us in HE are all stupid, you'll be ranked by them as more stupid and a liar. Are you going to care as much as we do??? lol Notice that we keep on discussing!!

Sultan wrote:
Want bother me the least. I was not try to fight with them. I was only trying to tell the truth on how the diary and other docs came to light. Nothing crimnal like they think.

For the record, when the person came across the diairy he/she did not want it made public, but was concerned he/she would be obstructing justice if he/she did not turn them over to the police.

He asked several of us to read the docs and see if he.she should contact the police. Some with legal knowlage advised him/her there was not anything Joran had not already said in public.

So he asked us not let anyone know about it because he did not want to cause the VDS any trouble. He could have carried it further but, dropped it until it came up lately.

Instead of going on non-exsistant criminal hunt they should let it go before they force more of the documents into the public realm that could be embarrasing to Joran and his family.

I thing the VDSs have had a enough and FOB are not doing them any favors by carring on about this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 09:13:23 PM
Julia cracks me up! That she would even think that at this point in time her identity is some big secret?! She signed that petition that scrux got together (back with Roger)that time to post of the front page of the NY paper, An open letter to Oprah. That was one of the only times I saw her sign something with her real name. Why does she try so hard to hide her true identity? As much as she blasts Natalee, and Beth and even Dave...she should run her big mouth using her real name..(although we all know its her) :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 09:15:41 PM
Hard to believe that just a few weeks ago I posted a pic taken out my backdoor of a freshly fallen 8 inches of snow and today I have a sunbrunt face from cutting grass.   :sunny:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:17:56 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Okay Klaas more just for you... :wink:  :D

ElaineS wrote:
Uh oh... all? Holy cow, this is getting more interesting by the second. But listen Sultan, since according to the FOBers those of us in HE are all stupid, you'll be ranked by them as more stupid and a liar. Are you going to care as much as we do??? lol Notice that we keep on discussing!!

Sultan wrote:
Want bother me the least. I was not try to fight with them. I was only trying to tell the truth on how the diary and other docs came to light. Nothing crimnal like they think.

For the record, when the person came across the diairy he/she did not want it made public, but was concerned he/she would be obstructing justice if he/she did not turn them over to the police.

He asked several of us to read the docs and see if he.she should contact the police. Some with legal knowlage advised him/her there was not anything Joran had not already said in public.

So he asked us not let anyone know about it because he did not want to cause the VDS any trouble. He could have carried it further but, dropped it until it came up lately.

Instead of going on non-exsistant criminal hunt they should let it go before they force more of the documents into the public realm that could be embarrasing to Joran and his family.

I thing the VDSs have had a enough and FOB are not doing them any favors by carring on about this.


GEL - what is your take?  Why did JR leave them up at FOB so long?  Also, is there any mention that the photoshopped pictures of Joran and Natalee could have been obtained at the same time?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Julia cracks me up! That she would even think that at this point in time her identity is some big secret?! She signed that petition that scrux got together (back with Roger)that time to post of the front page of the NY paper, An open letter to Oprah. That was one of the only times I saw her sign something with her real name. Why does she try so hard to hide her true identity? As much as she blasts Natalee, and Beth and even Dave...she should run her big mouth using her real name..(although we all know its her) :lol:

She just can't stand the thought that her 15 minutes over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Julia cracks me up! That she would even think that at this point in time her identity is some big secret?! She signed that petition that scrux got together (back with Roger)that time to post of the front page of the NY paper, An open letter to Oprah. That was one of the only times I saw her sign something with her real name. Why does she try so hard to hide her true identity? As much as she blasts Natalee, and Beth and even Dave...she should run her big mouth using her real name..(although we all know its her) :lol:

She just can't stand the thought that her 15 minutes over.
I am so glad I don't have to see her on TV anymore! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Julia cracks me up! That she would even think that at this point in time her identity is some big secret?! She signed that petition that scrux got together (back with Roger)that time to post of the front page of the NY paper, An open letter to Oprah. That was one of the only times I saw her sign something with her real name. Why does she try so hard to hide her true identity? As much as she blasts Natalee, and Beth and even Dave...she should run her big mouth using her real name..(although we all know its her) :lol:

She just can't stand the thought that her 15 minutes over.
I am so glad I don't have to see her on TV anymore! :D

I never understood why she was afforded so much prime airtime as a spokesperson for the ALE side of the case.  She was/is just a tourism shill looking for damage control.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 01, 2007, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna  :lol:  :lol: the told ya has me cracking up, little none too  :lol:  :lol:

if I had a dime for every PM and email I received from SMS over folks on SM not loving the bondia I'd never need to bake a cookie again  :lol:


I was jumped on so hard that I didn't post for 2 months!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna  :lol:  :lol: the told ya has me cracking up, little none too  :lol:  :lol:

if I had a dime for every PM and email I received from SMS over folks on SM not loving the bondia I'd never need to bake a cookie again  :lol:
And to think that I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, and thought she was ok, and truley concerned about Natalee. I could not have been more wrong, and I admit it! :smt021 Hitting myself in the head here!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Okay Klaas more just for you... :wink:  :D

ElaineS wrote:
Uh oh... all? Holy cow, this is getting more interesting by the second. But listen Sultan, since according to the FOBers those of us in HE are all stupid, you'll be ranked by them as more stupid and a liar. Are you going to care as much as we do??? lol Notice that we keep on discussing!!

Sultan wrote:
Want bother me the least. I was not try to fight with them. I was only trying to tell the truth on how the diary and other docs came to light. Nothing crimnal like they think.

For the record, when the person came across the diairy he/she did not want it made public, but was concerned he/she would be obstructing justice if he/she did not turn them over to the police.

He asked several of us to read the docs and see if he.she should contact the police. Some with legal knowlage advised him/her there was not anything Joran had not already said in public.

So he asked us not let anyone know about it because he did not want to cause the VDS any trouble. He could have carried it further but, dropped it until it came up lately.

Instead of going on non-exsistant criminal hunt they should let it go before they force more of the documents into the public realm that could be embarrasing to Joran and his family.

I thing the VDSs have had a enough and FOB are not doing them any favors by carring on about this.


GEL - what is your take?  Why did JR leave them up at FOB so long?  Also, is there any mention that the photoshopped pictures of Joran and Natalee could have been obtained at the same time?


Gel may have seen something Klaas but from what I'm reading I haven't seen anything mentioned about the pictures in reference to the diary


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 01, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
No chicken livers anywhere near here this weekend, gotta scoot, might get lucky.  See yall tomorrow.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 09:32:49 PM
Klaas,I don't know what to think except what I said the other day.IMO-it was staged=JR let SK post them on his site knowing Joran and VDS's knew it already but they let it happen and left it up long enough for all to see and copy.I think Joran and the VDS's wanted to put Guido's name out there again right before the book comes out just in case anyone had forgot about GW..I think it may have made them angry that GW didn't want his name in the book.Not sure just my thoughts.

Also from what I'm reading there looks like there's more docs this person has that may be harmful to Joran..as if I really care-NOT-hope this person puts it out there for all to see.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:33:17 PM
Looking for that post Anna mentioned of Glenda's and I found this one.  Thought I'd share.  It will blow the margins, sorry

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/glendarefugee122905.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas,I don't know what to think except what I said the other day.IMO-it was staged=JR let SK post them on his site knowing Joran and VDS's knew it already but they let it happen and left it up long enough for all to see and copy.I think Joran and the VDS's wanted to put Guido's name out there again right before the book comes out just in case anyone had forgot about GW..I think it may have made them angry that GW didn't want his name in the book.Not sure just my thoughts.

Also from what I'm reading there looks like there's more docs this person has that may be harmful to Joran..as if I really care-NOT-hope this person puts it out there for all to see.

Yeah, bring them on!  :wink:

The people who read the blogs already assumed it was Guido that didn't want his name in the book.  Stupid to put those "notes" out there as they simply show more lies and inconsistancies by Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 09:41:25 PM
I popped back over here and I say that picture of Glenda and didnt realize at first it was a quote!  I thought we were being invaded! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 09:41:44 PM
If what Glenda (cough, cough) said was true about the ALE being so appreciative about Roger's work in this case it proves one thing. IMO It seems Roger was working to exonerate Joran. So, I guess that means that ALE was hoping for the sporter to be exonerated. Why is this not surprising?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on April 01, 2007, 09:42:31 PM
well,I have screwed up today as only a male with a computer can do.I hope the death count in the Pacific isn't to bad,it will be to everyone affected.Do you ever turn right Klass,because in our area we could run with only left hand turns.Please ,the Wizard is a great movie and seeing glenda mentioned it sickens me.I lick my self off often,all the queens say my fur is clean and silky.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: "casa"
I popped back over here and I say that picture of Glenda and didnt realize at first it was a quote!  I thought we were being invaded! :shock:
See, isn't it great that she loves the RU...they get her now instead of us! Thank God!  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 09:44:38 PM
O/T...
A Tsunami coincident (IMO)... I was looking at some of the tsunami stuff and did a google search.  I came across a prediction from January that indicates a April 1 2007 tsunami.   The prediction was for the east coast of the US, but made references to this particular date as being significant and something about Solomon and wisdom being the number of the beast.  I personally do not believe this stuff, but thought it was a coincidence as to the Solomon reference along with the tsunami on April 1.  


GEL - thank you for bringing the excerpts.   I hope SandraK gets really pissed and posts the entire book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
well,I have screwed up today as only a male with a computer can do.I hope the death count in the Pacific isn't to bad,it will be to everyone affected.Do you ever turn right Klass,because in our area we could run with only left hand turns.Please ,the Wizard is a great movie and seeing glenda mentioned it sickens me.I lick my self off often,all the queens say my fur is clean and silky.Cat

CAT - it is your good fortune that your screwup came to my email address and not someone elses, LOLOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: mishy on April 01, 2007, 09:45:02 PM
LOL Cat, I'm just seeing your avatar for the first time!! How funny!

I just saw this and didn't know if it had been posted yet, so here it is:

nbc4.tv

Aruban Brothers Want Natalee Holloway Lawsuit Dismissed

POSTED: 2:08 pm PST February 27, 2007
LOS ANGELES -- A lawsuit filed in Los Angeles against two Aruban brothers by the parents of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway should be dismissed on grounds the case has no connection to California, the siblings' lawyers argue in court papers obtained Tuesday.
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge George Wu will consider the motion brought on behalf of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, but no date was immediately set. The next scheduled hearing in the case is April 2.
The brothers' attorney, Kristina M. Beck, filed court papers last Tuesday in support of the dismissal.
The Kalpoes and another Aruban resident, Joran van der Sloot, have been the subject of scrutiny by Aruban authorities and the U.S. media. All three were arrested in connection with the Holloway case and later released.
Beck's court papers state that an important ruling occurred Jan. 24, when another Los Angeles Superior Court judge, Edward A. Ferns, ruled that the wrongful death claim of the teen's parents against the Kalpoes is substantially different from the siblings' defamation case against "Dr. Phil" McGraw.
"These actions do not arise from the same or substantially identical transactions, happenings or events...," Ferns wrote, in ruling that both cases should not be kept before the same judge.
The Kalpoes sued McGraw and CBS Television on Dec. 13, alleging they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, show dealing with the still-unsolved case. Although the Kalpoe brothers had been released from Aruban police custody, the "Dr. Phil" episode suggested they gave Holloway a date rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her, according to their lawsuit.
The episode also implied the siblings helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body, according to the lawsuit.
The Kalpoes and van der Sloot have maintained that they were not involved in her disappearance and did not have sex with her.
In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.
Natalee Holloway's parents, Elizabeth Ann Twitty of Alabama and Dave E. Holloway of Mississippi, filed a wrongful death suit against the Kalpoes the next day, even though their daughter's body has never been found and Aruban authorities have not determined if she is dead or alive.
Natalee Holloway was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort when the 18-year-old disappeared the night of May 30, 2005.
Twitty and Dave Holloway, who are divorced, maintain that by bringing an action against McGraw in Los Angeles, the Kalpoes voluntarily submitted themselves to the Los Angeles Superior Court jurisdiction.
But in her court papers, Beck argues that Twitty and Holloway are not part of the defamation case; that the alleged misconduct by the defendants in the lawsuits occurred in two entirely different locations -- Aruba and California; and that one suit involves wrongful death and the other defamation.
In support of her motion, Beck attached to her court papers a declaration by the Kalpoe brothers' mother, Kemwattie Ramirez, stating that her sons live with her in Aruba and have no ties to California.
"Neither Deepak nor Satish has ever traveled to California, or anywhere within the United States, for business or pleasure," according to their mother, who also said her sons have no business, employment of financial ties to California.
Twitty and Dave Holloway also filed a wrongful death suit last year in New York against van der Sloot and his father, but a judge there also threw it out for lack of jurisdiction.
Meanwhile, a motion is set before Judge Ferns on Thursday in the defamation case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna  :lol:  :lol: the told ya has me cracking up, little none too  :lol:  :lol:

if I had a dime for every PM and email I received from SMS over folks on SM not loving the bondia I'd never need to bake a cookie again  :lol:
And to think that I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, and thought she was ok, and truley concerned about Natalee. I could not have been more wrong, and I admit it! :smt021 Hitting myself in the head here!

I knew something was strange when there were three Bondias.  I never trusted or believe her.  When she posted that picture of the guy in the yellow truck I said to myself she is FOS.

One evening I posted something I heard Beth say on the news and all of a suddent she grabbed my post and said something about it and then she said so that debunked.  I had no clue what debunked meant :lol: .  Anyway I went to bed and got up the next morning and there were quite a few people who spoke up and adressed her posts.  She even said she was wrong she thought it was something else.  I guess so she would stay in good graces with everyone.

Elaine it is in our nature to trust (Not me it takes me a while :lol: ).  We were looking for answers who knew people would be so evil.  So we all learned how evil of a person she is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas,I don't know what to think except what I said the other day.IMO-it was staged=JR let SK post them on his site knowing Joran and VDS's knew it already but they let it happen and left it up long enough for all to see and copy.I think Joran and the VDS's wanted to put Guido's name out there again right before the book comes out just in case anyone had forgot about GW..I think it may have made them angry that GW didn't want his name in the book.Not sure just my thoughts.

Also from what I'm reading there looks like there's more docs this person has that may be harmful to Joran..as if I really care-NOT-hope this person puts it out there for all to see.

Yeah, bring them on!  :wink:

The people who read the blogs already assumed it was Guido that didn't want his name in the book.  Stupid to put those "notes" out there as they simply show more lies and inconsistancies by Joran.




JORAN IS A VERITABLE LYING FACTORY. -Jossy Mansur


A neglected, abandoned factory, one in need of being
quarantined & closed for good. I'd like to add.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "casa"
I popped back over here and I say that picture of Glenda and didnt realize at first it was a quote!  I thought we were being invaded! :shock:
See, isn't it great that she loves the RU...they get her now instead of us! Thank God!  :D  :D


Yep!  Glad they have her!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "casa"
I popped back over here and I say that picture of Glenda and didnt realize at first it was a quote!  I thought we were being invaded! :shock:
See, isn't it great that she loves the RU...they get her now instead of us! Thank God!  :D  :D


Yep!  Glad they have her!!! :D

Well it sounds like they aren't liking her too much these days either, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 09:54:28 PM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/splainintodoo.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 09:56:20 PM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/BAZOOKIES.jpg)



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


That boy >> B  higher than a kite.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Cat on April 01, 2007, 09:57:50 PM
Where is my picture showing up.Did I screw up again.I was just invited for a game of four square with the toms and a new Chipmunk,later monkeys.happy Birthday to those Aires,great people and monkeys,hehe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 09:58:02 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/BAZOOKIES.jpg)



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


That boy >> B  higher than a kite.

Gee if that light was red I would say pull the trigger.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 09:58:45 PM
LOL San!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 09:59:41 PM
see ya around, cat. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2007, 10:02:33 PM
Evening monkeys!  Just dropping in to see that the Darkside is imploding and there has been earthquakes and all manner of insanity today.

So...how is everyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:05:45 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Evening monkeys!  Just dropping in to see that the Darkside is imploding and there has been earthquakes and all manner of insanity today.

So...how is everyone?

Sounds like it's getting pretty interresting.  Hard to say now if JR Attorney knew about SandraK's post prior to it happening or not.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 10:06:39 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Evening monkeys!  Just dropping in to see that the Darkside is imploding and there has been earthquakes and all manner of insanity today.

So...how is everyone?


Hi Lalas! I saw you lurking last night and waved, but I don't think you saw me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2007, 10:07:52 PM
They might as well get over it now, it's too late.  It's on the internet and it's public knowledge.  Besides if it's the TRUTH what is the problem?  Oh, I forgot...it's not their version of the TRUTH.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
Hello BT!   I saw you wave at me, but company called and I had to drop everything and be nice...the nerve of some people!  Don't they know I have monkeys to talk to?  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 10:12:39 PM
the TRUTH is a Beautiful Thing


TRUTH...........too bad the MOB of JACKASSES wouldnt know truth if it BIT em in the EAR 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
If what Glenda (cough, cough) said was true about the ALE being so appreciative about Roger's work in this case it proves one thing. IMO It seems Roger was working to exonerate Joran. So, I guess that means that ALE was hoping for the sporter to be exonerated. Why is this not surprising?!



Roger of Scrux.com originally represented the tape of the Deepak/Skeeters interview that came into his possession as being given to him "directly" from the "Aruban Police Department".  He claimed it was "real thing, uncut and unedited".  However ... he later changed the claim to a disclaimer.  Now ... the disclaimer does not appear at the link.  Who knows what the truth is?

Nevertheless, I contend that only the hard drive that was given by Jamie Skeeter to the FBI can confirm what was said during that interview.

Janet


POST - SCRUX.COM FORUM
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.


ORIGINAL CLAIM
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
January, 2006

"This is the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences."

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This is the exact original as tested by the NFI......


REVISED - DISCLAIMER
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
February, 2006

While this must be regarded as unsubstantiated information, it appears to be the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences. However, we must say that we have not had the version we are hosting tested. We think that it is real. However, no one can know for sure, unless we are able to have a professional, forensic, audiology laboratory check the recording to see if this version has been altered. I have not had such a test conducted, but I would welcome just such an evaluation

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated).......
 

REVISED REVISED - DISCLAIMER
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
February, 2006

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated). The whole file is so large that it is impractical to put up on the net, but I divided it into manageable segments. Each one is ten minutes. After the first, each subsequent segment also includes about 30 seconds of over lap (the last 30 seconds of the previous one is included on each segment) for continuity.

There has been no further encoding (as is done to make videos web presentable). This is the exact original which Aruba and subsequently, the NFI, tested and reported as being unaltered (not manipulated).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:14:52 PM
Tamikosmom - I agree 100%


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Sleuth on April 01, 2007, 10:16:17 PM
O/T

Tsunami update, direct from Queensland (NE Australia).  Warnings in the area have been downgraded but beaches remain closed as a precautionary measure.  Good news.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
O/T

Tsunami update, direct from Queensland (NE Australia).  Warnings in the area have been downgraded but beaches remain closed as a precautionary measure.  Good news.


They are getting a ton of fairly significant aftershocks too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 10:21:14 PM
The following endorsed the open letter to Oprah requested that the tape of the Deepak/Skeeters' interview that came into Rogers possession be exposed on her show.

Janet


{{edit- I feel better deleting it}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:21:14 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
Klaas this was the only post Glenda made back at Diva after it went to HE.
Then Pax replied below.

DivaToo wrote:
I never discussed anything with Danse other than a mutual friend we have who used to be a poster  I resigned because of bull shit drama just like this. Its the interfuckingnet. Everyone is anonymous as they want to be.. and NO ONE is going to solve this lame, cold ass case on a message board.

Get over yourself Glenda. Everyone assumes Glenda is Julia. SO what if I referred to you as Julia in a post months and months ago?  It was an accident. I said that I was sorry. What else could I have done?
It's really unfortunate that you're so petty you can't let this go. I used to think alot of you until I read this and found out you were holding a grudge for this long.  

Glenda/Julia wrote:
Petty would be mentioning that you spent more on your fake D's than your aluminum house.

Pax wrote:
Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and your 'friends' have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:25:11 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas this was the only post Glenda made back at Diva after it went to HE.
Then Pax replied below.

DivaToo wrote:
I never discussed anything with Danse other than a mutual friend we have who used to be a poster  I resigned because of bull shit drama just like this. Its the interfuckingnet. Everyone is anonymous as they want to be.. and NO ONE is going to solve this lame, cold ass case on a message board.

Get over yourself Glenda. Everyone assumes Glenda is Julia. SO what if I referred to you as Julia in a post months and months ago?  It was an accident. I said that I was sorry. What else could I have done?
It's really unfortunate that you're so petty you can't let this go. I used to think alot of you until I read this and found out you were holding a grudge for this long.  

Glenda/Julia wrote:
Petty would be mentioning that you spent more on your fake D's than your aluminum house.

Pax wrote:
Glenda, you're making dubious allegations based on speculation and innuendo and revealing personal information. Sounds like what you and your 'friends' have been doing for a long time. Wonder if you'll ever get over it. It doesn't say much for your credibility, imho.

Wow, talk about petty.  Turning into quite the dirty cat fight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 10:25:48 PM
CcccCccccccccccccaaaaaaaaaaaaat   FIGHT  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
If what Glenda (cough, cough) said was true about the ALE being so appreciative about Roger's work in this case it proves one thing. IMO It seems Roger was working to exonerate Joran. So, I guess that means that ALE was hoping for the sporter to be exonerated. Why is this not surprising?!



Roger of Scrux.com originally represented the tape of the Deepak/Skeeters interview that came into his possession as being given to him "directly" from the "Aruban Police Department".  He claimed it was "real thing, uncut and unedited".  However ... he later changed the claim to a disclaimer.  Now ... the disclaimer does not appear at the link.  Who knows what the truth is?

Nevertheless, I contend that only the hard drive that was given by Jamie Skeeter to the FBI can confirm what was said during that interview.

Janet


POST - SCRUX.COM FORUM
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.


ORIGINAL CLAIM
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
January, 2006

"This is the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences."

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This is the exact original as tested by the NFI......


REVISED - DISCLAIMER
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
February, 2006

While this must be regarded as unsubstantiated information, it appears to be the real thing, uncut and unedited. What was broadcast on the Dr. Phil show was edited, censored, cut and pasted, to give a distorted view of what Deepak had to say. You will be amazed at the differences. However, we must say that we have not had the version we are hosting tested. We think that it is real. However, no one can know for sure, unless we are able to have a professional, forensic, audiology laboratory check the recording to see if this version has been altered. I have not had such a test conducted, but I would welcome just such an evaluation

The entire Skeeters Deepak interview video and transcript

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated).......
 

REVISED REVISED - DISCLAIMER
Roger
http://www.scrux.com/natalee/deepakskeetersvideo.htm
February, 2006

Here are links to the entire video. This was represented to us as the exact original as tested by the NFI (although that is unsubstantiated). The whole file is so large that it is impractical to put up on the net, but I divided it into manageable segments. Each one is ten minutes. After the first, each subsequent segment also includes about 30 seconds of over lap (the last 30 seconds of the previous one is included on each segment) for continuity.

There has been no further encoding (as is done to make videos web presentable). This is the exact original which Aruba and subsequently, the NFI, tested and reported as being unaltered (not manipulated).
Thank you for posting all this, amazing how things change, isn't it? Ex: revisions and revisions that disappeared, and even Roger himself! LMAO! Oh my goodness. ...He probably got whatever the heck he had from none other than JR herself,LOL!  I still beleive that in the end Skeeters hard drive has the truth, and until proven otherwise I beleive What Skeeters said. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 10:29:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Klaas, please feel free to delete any of my posts if you feel they are not appropriate.

I apologize.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
The following endorsed the open letter to Oprah requested that the tape of the Deepak/Skeeters' interview that came into Rogers possession be exposed on her show.

Janet


{{edit- I feel better deleting it}}
-more to come-




{{edit}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Klaas, please feel free to delete any of my posts if you feel they are not appropriate.

I apologize.

Janet

I just asked Red about it.  He said if it's available by google (which it is) and they were dumb enough to put their email addys on it it's OK to leave.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Klaas, please feel free to delete any of my posts if you feel they are not appropriate.

I apologize.

Janet

I just asked Red about it.  He said if it's available by google (which it is) and they were dumb enough to put their email addys on it it's OK to leave.


RED ROCKS  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 01, 2007, 10:33:55 PM
LMAO-Do ya think Glenda/Julia was calling Diva trailor trash with the aluminum house bit? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 10:35:15 PM
i like wolves
i like robots
i like cats

im not too fond of BATS





like RENFRO  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think I would be afraid to drive on the freeway in California, pictures of it scare me. How fast do people go on those highways?


About 10 MPH max, most of the time. It's hard to go very fast when traffic is gridlocked.  :D  It's not the speed that makes them so dangerous, it's the volume of traffic and the craziness of drivers.

Althouhg when I was there (on a weekend, by design) it was nor as bad as I expected to drive around there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:
ROFL! Great Job Klaas on that modification! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 10:39:36 PM
Thank you Tamikasmom.  I have not seen lots of that before as I don't read at Rogers at all, just can't bear to do so.  I can deal with the openly hostile sites better than one that pretends to be fair and balanced as he does then slants everything pro-Joran.

And I am NOT the anna on that list, either, as I listened to the tapes and know what Deepak said.  Don't need Roger to tell me what I hear, either.   :roll:


So maybe this diary or book excerpt or big nothing is a sort of threat to post the things they say would be embarrassing to the vdSloots?

I want to see those!   :D Don't much care about Joran's cheese sandwich. :?


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:
ROFL! Great Job Klaas on that modification! :lol:


Thanks!  :lol:  By the way, at that link to Joran's site I believe people can leave messages  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jvdsTRAIN.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 01, 2007, 10:42:21 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
LMAO-Do ya think Glenda/Julia was calling Diva trailor trash with the aluminum house bit? :shock:


That was certainly how I took it.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2007, 10:46:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Klaas, please feel free to delete any of my posts if you feel they are not appropriate.

I apologize.

Janet

I just asked Red about it.  He said if it's available by google (which it is) and they were dumb enough to put their email addys on it it's OK to leave.


Klaas, the Open Letter to Oprah can be accessed at the following link.  However, the signatures no longer appear.  I should have double checked the link from the Scrux site prior to copying and pasting the signatures from my desktop file.  It has been a long while since this topic has been discussed.

Janet

http://scrux.com/openletter.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 10:49:21 PM
Just saw the Glenda post to DivaToo. A double-edged slur if there ever was one. Full kittycat claws extended there LOL.

She slams her anatomy AND her housing preferences in one swipe. That might leave a mark.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tamikosmom - Wasn't that foolish to put that on the internet?  I'd delete it but I know for a fact you can still pull it up.


Klaas, please feel free to delete any of my posts if you feel they are not appropriate.

I apologize.

Janet

I just asked Red about it.  He said if it's available by google (which it is) and they were dumb enough to put their email addys on it it's OK to leave.


Klaas, the Open Letter to Oprah can be accessed at the following link.  However, the signatures no longer appear.  I should have double checked the link from the Scrux site prior to copying and pasting the signatures from my desktop file.  It has been a long while since this topic has been discussed.

Janet

http://scrux.com/openletter.htm


I deleted it here but I was able to find it in Google not long ago myself, so it's still out there.  I knew it was no longer at Scrux.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 10:51:12 PM
Ancient Chinese proverb say:

When you get the other guys fightin' among themselves, you got 'em BEAT.

 :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 01, 2007, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Just saw the Glenda post to DivaToo. A double-edged slur if there ever was one. Full kittycat claws extended there LOL.

She slams her anatomy AND her housing preferences in one swipe. That might leave a mark.  :lol:


said as only a southern gent could say, hysterical SB thanks for the heartly laugh as I head to bed  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "sb"
Just saw the Glenda post to DivaToo. A double-edged slur if there ever was one. Full kittycat claws extended there LOL.

She slams her anatomy AND her housing preferences in one swipe. That might leave a mark.  :lol:


said as only a southern gent could say, hysterical SB thanks for the heartly laugh as I head to bed  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Nite Nonesuche - thought you'ld get a kick out of it  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 10:55:14 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Just saw the Glenda post to DivaToo. A double-edged slur if there ever was one. Full kittycat claws extended there LOL.

She slams her anatomy AND her housing preferences in one swipe. That might leave a mark.  :lol:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  and here I am still wondering what the reference to fake Ds meant.  You are a very learned man, sb :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 10:59:14 PM
To be honest Tibro, it was just an educated guess, an assumption from the context of the statement. I know as little about the indicated subject matter as it is humanly possible for any man to know.

It actually took me a mnute to figure out, so y'all don't feel bad LOL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:03:03 PM
:oops: I have a feeling someone is typing a response that is going to make me blush...  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 11:03:15 PM
Quote from: "sb"
To be honest Tibro, it was just an educated guess, an assumption from the context of the statement. I know as little about the indicated subject matter as it is humanly possible for any man to know.

It actually took me a mnute to figure out, so y'all don't feel bad LOL.


I figured it out right away but I had to explain it to Red,  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 11:04:56 PM
Oh, I get it now, SB!  Fake D's refers to size of unmentionables?  In other words, a boob job?  WoW!  What a thing to say about somebody on a forum!

That may be far more than we wanted to know but it is entertaining to watch the cat fight.  This may call for popcorn!

Where is Blah??  And SuseBear??  And Hammer??

But Blah would be wanting popcorn by now I am pretty sure.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:05:26 PM
I don't know of anything else that comes in a letter size rather than a number size. It just seemed kind of self-evident...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: "sb"
:oops: I have a feeling someone is typing a response that is going to make me blush...  :oops:


Sorry, I guess that might be me but I was first thinking fingernails because they are sort of shaped like the letter "D"!  You know how some have whole scenes on their nails these days.

I think you handled that like the gentleman we all know you to be, SB.  Nothing to blush about as this is very common these days I think.

Just makes it all the more interesting if we know what they are talking about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:
ROFL! Great Job Klaas on that modification! :lol:


Thanks!  :lol:  By the way, at that link to Joran's site I believe people can leave messages  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jvdsTRAIN.jpg)
I see that yes! LOL. to get to the page to leave messages though you must go to this page, not the address on the FP, as I clicked on those. To leave him a message about his "work" click here. PS. You have to sign up for a free account   http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i like wolves
i like robots
i like cats

im not too fond of BATS





like RENFRO  8)



YEP, that gummer sleeps upside down hanging from her shower bar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 01, 2007, 11:12:46 PM
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/eequalsmcskwarred.png


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:12:48 PM
I also remember the said Refugee's avatar and it was rather evident that she was making a concerted effort to portray herself in a, ahem, "favorable" light with regard to that subject, too.

I try really hard not to notice such things...     :oops:  I really do. Promise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: casa on April 01, 2007, 11:13:06 PM
Well, spring break is over and I'm back to work tomorrow, so I am off to bed.  Night Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 11:13:13 PM
Quote from: "sb"
:oops: I have a feeling someone is typing a response that is going to make me blush...  :oops:


Not me sb I am still too busy cleaning coffee splutters off my monitor screen :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "robots"
i like wolves
i like robots
i like cats

im not too fond of BATS





like RENFRO  8)



YEP, that gummer sleeps upside down hanging from her shower bar.



lol 8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 11:15:19 PM
Elaine,
That was a very nice find for you!   :D Sometimes we forget that new things are available just through google and other searches.  Been ages since I looked for anything myself.  

Very interesting hobby, admiring illegal defacing of the property of others.  I am so glad you are still looking for we need to make every aspect of his  life uncomfortable until justice prevails Natalee.

.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thconvict.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 01, 2007, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "robots"
i like wolves
i like robots
i like cats

im not too fond of BATS





like RENFRO  8)



YEP, that gummer sleeps upside down hanging from her shower bar.


And I had just cleaned the screen  :evil:  :evil:

Note to self : Do not have a mouthful of coffee while reading here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 01, 2007, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:
ROFL! Great Job Klaas on that modification! :lol:


Thanks!  :lol:  By the way, at that link to Joran's site I believe people can leave messages  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jvdsTRAIN.jpg)
I see that yes! LOL. to get to the page to leave messages though you must go to this page, not the address on the FP, as I clicked on those. To leave him a message about his "work" click here. PS. You have to sign up for a free account   http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik


Hi, Elaine...the site says jvds was a memeber since 11/25/05....was he already in school in the NL at that time?  Just can't remember.  I know September, I think was release from KIA....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2007, 11:18:08 PM
Note to self...do not take liquids into mouth and return to read comments on the forum.

Note to self... buy new monitor tomorrow. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: "sb"
I also remember the said Refugee's avatar and it was rather evident that she was making a concerted effort to portray herself in a, ahem, "favorable" light with regard to that subject, too.

I try really hard not to notice such things...     :oops:  I really do. Promise.
In the avatar that you speak of one couldn't help but notice that so don't worry .. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:19:25 PM
But what is it that has started the fight on refugees? is it still the excerpt/statement that Joran made and how it got out? That part I didn't see from earlier. Someone said they are "imploding"... huh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"

Hi, Elaine...the site says jvds was a memeber since 11/25/05....was he already in school in the NL at that time?  Just can't remember.  I know September, I think was release from KIA....
In my opinion he was in school by then and didnt return to Aruba until break for Christmas..IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: "sb"
But what is it that has started the fight on refugees? is it still the excerpt/statement that Joran made and how it got out? That part I didn't see from earlier. Someone said they are "imploding"... huh?

Yes, the "notes" that SandraK posted..they are still fighting over that.  Now fighting with eachother.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 01, 2007, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Elaine,
That was a very nice find for you!   :D Sometimes we forget that new things are available just through google and other searches.  Been ages since I looked for anything myself.  

Very interesting hobby, admiring illegal defacing of the property of others.  I am so glad you are still looking for we need to make every aspect of his  life uncomfortable until justice prevails Natalee.

.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thconvict.gif)
Thanks Anna! I bet he hates having Monkeys on his back! :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So What Does Joran Van der Sloot Do as a Hobby? Train Graffiti Art


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/01/so-what-does-joran-van-der-sloot-do-as-a-hobby-train-graffiti-art/


This is the site of Joran's Elaine found.  Check out the front page train graffiti  :wink:
ROFL! Great Job Klaas on that modification! :lol:


Thanks!  :lol:  By the way, at that link to Joran's site I believe people can leave messages  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/jvdsTRAIN.jpg)
I see that yes! LOL. to get to the page to leave messages though you must go to this page, not the address on the FP, as I clicked on those. To leave him a message about his "work" click here. PS. You have to sign up for a free account   http://www.fotolog.com/bananarepublik


Hi, Elaine...the site says jvds was a memeber since 11/25/05....was he already in school in the NL at that time?  Just can't remember.  I know September, I think was release from KIA....

Hi 2NJson, I would say yes he was in school in the NL at that time.  Remember he came home that Christmas and Steve Cohen said he would be brought in for questioning and he never was and then it was off to school again.  So they say.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "sb"
But what is it that has started the fight on refugees? is it still the excerpt/statement that Joran made and how it got out? That part I didn't see from earlier. Someone said they are "imploding"... huh?

Yes, the "notes" that SandraK posted..they are still fighting over that.  Now fighting with eachother.


Too many cats, not enough litter. The box needs cleaning out over there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: Anna on April 01, 2007, 11:24:19 PM
There has been mention made of more documents, some that would embarrass the vd Sloots.  I want to see THOSE as that book excerpt or whatever it was is just boring.

How do we get to see the other documents?  Does anyone think they will also be posted or that this first thing is a sort of threat to post them?

Could this be related to the DeVries discoveries by any chance?  I wonder how he got the photoshopped picture Joran had made of himself and Natalee.  Now that would certainly embarrass normal people.  I can't imagine having a kid that would have something like that cookec up.!  

Maybe he has other things.  I wish he would do another program about Natalee.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: robots on April 01, 2007, 11:24:42 PM
when people who are in the same LINE start fighting

IMPLOSION .........from within  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 01, 2007, 11:24:45 PM
Elaine & San, thanks...I just was trying to remember....and your posts jogged my memory...in fact, I think he left for NL shortly after the release...iirc...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: San on April 01, 2007, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Elaine & San, thanks...I just was trying to remember....and your posts jogged my memory...in fact, I think he left for NL shortly after the release...iirc...

Yes he did.  They wisked him off quickly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: sb on April 01, 2007, 11:26:14 PM
Bringing us up to the thread change... I haven't done that in a while.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Elaine & San, thanks...I just was trying to remember....and your posts jogged my memory...in fact, I think he left for NL shortly after the release...iirc...

If I'm not mistaken, he left about 2 days after his release..maybe less.  He was on the next flight out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 01, 2007, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Elaine & San, thanks...I just was trying to remember....and your posts jogged my memory...in fact, I think he left for NL shortly after the release...iirc...

If I'm not mistaken, he left about 2 days after his release..maybe less.  He was on the next flight out.


Yep...think you are on the mark.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #594 3/29 - 4/1/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2007, 11:28:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 595

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1021