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Title: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 03, 2011, 03:52:55 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/cayleemarie-age252-1.jpg)

FOR LIVE HEARINGS, THESE ARE THE USUAL LINKS:

No refresh clicking required:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream


Split Screen/No refresh Clicking Required:

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Other live stream sites:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live


http://www.wftv.com/video/27049808/index.html

* Constantly on Casey

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/video/27050096/detail.html

iPhone App:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/casey-anthony-updates/id428240236?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

Android App:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.lsn.localnews147

SKYFIRE - MOBILE BROWSER FOR iPhone and Android:
http://www.skyfire.com/

MAGIC EYES - Trial Recaps:  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10231.0

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Now that we are finally starting the trial, all Off Topic posts will be moved to the MURDER TRIAL BREAK ROOM without comment to the poster, it will just happen.  Please keep that in mind.  It is too hard for people to catch up if they have to wade thru Off Topic too.  TIA

BREAK ROOM THREAD

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 04, 2011, 05:45:23 AM
HLN will carry it 9 am -1 pm  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 06:43:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/04/florida.casey.anthony.trial/
Experts: Videos could be damaging to Casey Anthony defense
See show times »Nancy Grace
By the CNN Wire Staff June 4, 2011 5:49 a.m. EDT


Video at link.
Tune in to HLN's "Nancy Grace" at 8 ET for live reports from Florida with all the details of the Casey Anthony trial. And follow the action on Nancy's special Casey Anthony trial page.

(CNN) -- The capital murder trial of Casey Anthony continues Saturday, a day after jurors were transfixed by taped jailhouse conversations that could be damaging to Anthony's defense.

In one conversation played Friday, Anthony responded sarcastically when her mother brought up media accounts that circulated at the time about the possibility that 2-year-old Caylee Anthony had drowned in the family pool.

"Surprise, surprise," Anthony said of the rumor, which is now the primary defense theory in her capital murder trial in Orlando, Florida.
 ::snipping2::

 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 06:51:04 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-hln-expands-saturday-coverage-adds-nancy-grace-special.html
Casey Anthony: HLN expands Saturday coverage, adds Nancy Grace special
Caylee and Casey Anthony, HLN, In Session, Nancy Grace — posted by halboedeker on June, 3 2011 12:25 PM



http://www.cfnews13.com/
Hair in Casey Anthony’s car takes center stage
By Amanda Evans , Reporter
Last Updated: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:37 AM

ORLANDO --

A hair found in Casey Anthony's trunk is expected to take center stage Saturday as her murder trial continues.

An FBI agent is expected to testify the hair showed signs of human decomposition.

It was found in the trunk after the Orange County Sheriffs' Office began analyzing the car in 2008.
   
Prosecutors say it proves Casey put Caylee's remains in the trunk after she was killed.
   
The defense has come forward with a different theory of the crime.
   
They also tried to prevent this evidence from being brought up at trial, but the judge ruled it will be up to jurors to decide.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 07:00:20 AM
I wonder what shenanagins the defense will pull today.

It's like every day we're waiting for the other shoe to drop.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: anothermonkey on June 04, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
The videos certainly can't help Casey..  there's just no way.   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tevye on June 04, 2011, 07:36:09 AM
Kermit asked this in the last thread:


"I'm curious as to why Baez didn't use insanity defence. If there are psych reports maybe she isn't insane and
if so, that is very telling."

Cos I ideal with with a lot of defense lawyers daily, I know a few of the secret rules. Rule #4 is " In order to use the insanity defense for your client, you yourself (the lawyer) must be sane enough to get thru a trial. You must be prepared, be polite, and above all, IF THE JUDGE TELLS YOU TO KEEP YOUR FILES IN A SPECIAL ROOM, THEN DO IT!"  ::boxingbaez::

In other words, not only is Bozo not qualified to be an attorney, he's sure as heck not qualified to make mental health calls!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: _icey_ on June 04, 2011, 07:48:47 AM
Kermit asked this in the last thread:


"I'm curious as to why Baez didn't use insanity defence. If there are psych reports maybe she isn't insane and
if so, that is very telling."

Cos I ideal with with a lot of defense lawyers daily, I know a few of the secret rules. Rule #4 is " In order to use the insanity defense for your client, you yourself (the lawyer) must be sane enough to get thru a trial. You must be prepared, be polite, and above all, IF THE JUDGE TELLS YOU TO KEEP YOUR FILES IN A SPECIAL ROOM, THEN DO IT!"  ::boxingbaez::

In other words, not only is Bozo not qualified to be an attorney, he's sure as heck not qualified to make mental health calls!

Ya he's not the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 07:54:56 AM
After watching the clips, yes of Nancy 6-3-11.
One about jose, media taking pictures, posing with girls on each arm.
My question is, is jose waiting for(if there is one) movie rights, making money off of this case??????
 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:57:37 AM
In case you are interested.....

HLN host Nancy Grace will host a three-hour block of programming tonight recapping the latest from the Casey Anthony Trial. The programming will be in lieu of HLN’s usual Saturday Night Mysteries block.

From 9 AM-1 PM ET Saturday, HLN will feature live court testimony, with the Grace special airing from from 7-10 PM ET, and replaying until early Sunday morning. Sunday HLN will run its usual programming.

Personally, if I watched 3 straight hours of her my head would explode!!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:59:08 AM
After watching the clips, yes of Nancy 6-3-11.
One about jose, media taking pictures, posing with girls on each arm.
My question is, is jose waiting for(if there is one) movie rights, making money off of this case??????
 ::boxingbaez::

Good morning.  I think Baez and Casey are both basking in their "celebrity".  However, once the trial is over both of their imaginary worlds will collapse.  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:03:21 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 08:10:04 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::


I think all chances of going after the Anthonys were greatly diminished due to Cindy's "breakdown" on the stand.  She came across as very sympathetic to many and the state might feel they would look too bad going after them.  I would like to see them pay some price for all of their BS and money grubbing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:11:00 AM
Also if I remember correctly, why did totmom give the life jacket and bag to Jesse G.?
Was this in the plan to frame him?

I can't imagine what the jury is comprehending, I can't keep all this stuff straight.
 ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: anothermonkey on June 04, 2011, 08:12:20 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Speaking of the dryer sheets, I thought I heard Cindy say on the stand the other day that she did put a dryer sheet in the car, hoping it would help with the smell... but then yesterday I was watching video feed from (I think?) wftv, and the female commentator was saying that there is a dryer sheet in evidence that Casey put in there, showing that she did know that there was a smell in her car.  Which is it?  ::MonkeyEek::  (Both?) 

Also, I have a feeling all of those items - tobacco?, cheese, etc..  were all left in there in an effort to mask the smell.  Make it smell as much like a mixture of nasty a$$ foods and other items as possible, so that you might not know what you were smelling.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:13:55 AM
From my twitters

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
54 people in line at 715am for today's #caseyanthony trial. (I'm told they're all getting in) #CaseyAnthonyTrial yfrog.com/h0l7osij
53 minutes ago. ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 08:14:24 AM
Also if I remember correctly, why did totmom give the life jacket and bag to Jesse G.?
Was this in the plan to frame him?

I can't imagine what the jury is comprehending, I can't keep all this stuff straight.
 ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingcasey::


I figure the jury began this by thinking they were being punked or on Candid Camera.  Now after watching the videos I assume they are waiting for Rod Serling to show up.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 08:15:04 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::


It does in all actuality appear to be a cover-up but- could these have been the actions of a desperate, panicked woman who wasn't sure what to believe, as she had her crazed daughter telling her one thing and being in serious denial?

As a parent, you want to believe in your kids.

I can't fathom how these people functioned on a daily basis with that nut in the house.

Aside from all stress and grief this family has gone through (and continue to go through) I'll bet they are relieved she's out of the house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 08:19:30 AM
Good morning, yet another day of justice for Caylee.
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:26:47 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Speaking of the dryer sheets, I thought I heard Cindy say on the stand the other day that she did put a dryer sheet in the car, hoping it would help with the smell... but then yesterday I was watching video feed from (I think?) wftv, and the female commentator was saying that there is a dryer sheet in evidence that Casey put in there, showing that she did know that there was a smell in her car.  Which is it?  ::MonkeyEek::  (Both?) 

Also, I have a feeling all of those items - tobacco?, cheese, etc..  were all left in there in an effort to mask the smell.  Make it smell as much like a mixture of nasty a$$ foods and other items as possible, so that you might not know what you were smelling.

Your right, 4got about later,someone said Cindy recanted the softy statement.
4 totmom to put all the smelly stuff in the trunk, your spot on.

All I have to say, this is one hell of a roller coaster ride!
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 08:33:23 AM
 ::snipping2::

By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

7:58 a.m. EDT, June 4, 2011
The state intends to call an FBI agent and recall an Orange County Sheriff's Office crime scene investigator as the 10th day of the Casey Anthony trial begins this morning.


State prosecutors told Chief Judge Belvin Perry on Friday afternoon they intend to call FBI fiber examiner Karen Korsberg Lowe to discuss hairs found in the truck of Casey Anthony's car when court resumes at 9 a.m. on the 23rd floor of the Orange County Courthouse. Saturday sessions of the trial are a half-day, and court will recess at 1 p.m.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-20110604,0,4576984.story


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: anothermonkey on June 04, 2011, 08:37:35 AM
It surprised me that we went from character witnesses and jail house videos, to suddenly talking about forensic evidence. 

Is ZFG going to be called?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: joesamas mama on June 04, 2011, 08:38:38 AM
 ::HelloKitty:: morning monkeys. I hope Magic will be doing her wonderful recaps as I am at nephews graduation and will try to listen/watch on skyfire.  ::justice2NJ::

Justice for Caylee!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
I was thinking about the progression of Casey's lies throughout the life and death of Caylee.
There have been rumors she lied in high school but after Caylee's Caylee's birth it sounds like she did actually work for a period of time.  Being generous with the first year of Caylee's life and estimating time frames, I figure it is something like this:

0-1 Casey actually had a job and there was a real babysitter

1-2 1/2  Casey pretened to work and that there was a nanny.  Was Caylee with G&C when she      
             talked about the nanny?  Doubt it b/c she also said her mom watched Caylee alot.

6/15 - 6/16 Caylee dies and Casey never returns home to live.  She continues telling everyone, including friends, that Caylee is with the nanny typically doing fun things.

7/15 (?) - Casey gets caughts, continues with the nanny having fun time w/ Caylee to Caylee being kidnapped.  Admits only after being caught with no other options and no place to run b/c Cindy would follow her.   ::MonkeySlide::

7/15 - up till we see no further jail videos of Casey speaking - continues with the Caylee is kidnapped story. Not only continues but embellishes the story with things to make her parents (who she knows is releasing info about Caylee to the media) continue to believe that Caylee is alive.  She is clearly wanting to continue this story, i.e., I believe in my heart she is alive. This is the point that the defense theory of ugly coping falls apart.  She is going to great lengths to continue a KIDNAPPING story regarding her daughter as she sits in jail.  Coping in a way that lands you in jail when there is an explanation that would set you free doesn't make sense.  Not when your coping story is such a negative one as your child is KIDNAPPED.  

December, i think  - Caylee's body is found.  The next time we hear from a Casey representative is in Court.  Her new explanation is Caylee drowned.

I can't be sure but I would think that a coping mechanism of denial and lies of the type that the defense is claiming, wouldn't be formed PRIOR to the event that caused the need for coping (an accidental death).  Furthermore - it is clear in the progression that what she did isn't coping but rather a continuation of lies that are morphed into new lies (growing, changing and being MODIFIED) to serve whatever purpose she needs them to serve.  I would imagine the whole concept of coping would be a self-serving one (not meaning that in a negative way but rather literal) but not to the extent that the ONLY purpose of each lie is to serve an agenda.  She made up really bad lies but never any lies that didn't further her purpose of covering her bottom.  

I know this is long and a lot of it is obvious but laying it out helps me put it in perspective for myself and I hope the jury will think in a similar fashion.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 04, 2011, 08:41:57 AM
Good morning All!! With all the items from the trunk brought in to evidence yesterday, liner etc, i did not see the part where investigators could see the outline of a child in a fetal position. I know some of the items were wrapped in plastic so the items that have the "death smell" could still be revealed, right? I don't think the pros would risk something not having a smell, if they were planning on using that, they would know for sure that it still does. I am hoping they will pass that can around & pull out that stained piece of carpet & the entire courtroom will be filled with that horrible smell!! Maybe people will gag or run out of the courtroom!! Just hoping!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 08:42:58 AM
::snipping2::

By Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel

7:58 a.m. EDT, June 4, 2011
The state intends to call an FBI agent and recall an Orange County Sheriff's Office crime scene investigator as the 10th day of the Casey Anthony trial begins this morning.


State prosecutors told Chief Judge Belvin Perry on Friday afternoon they intend to call FBI fiber examiner Karen Korsberg Lowe to discuss hairs found in the truck of Casey Anthony's car when court resumes at 9 a.m. on the 23rd floor of the Orange County Courthouse. Saturday sessions of the trial are a half-day, and court will recess at 1 p.m.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-20110604,0,4576984.story


Oh goody. The jury will like her.

Here's a link to a refresher on Karen, at the hearing last March.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNt-F62Vfv4

I assume DS be on cross?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: dani on June 04, 2011, 08:43:18 AM
Good morning Monkeys!  ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:45:39 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


June 9th?  He is a witness for the defense, he likely wouldn't be called until after June 9th.  Steph is FOS, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:47:03 AM
It surprised me that we went from character witnesses and jail house videos, to suddenly talking about forensic evidence. 

Is ZFG going to be called?

I would think NOT because she never had any 'REAL" involvement with Casey nor did she know Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:50:17 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


What does this guy have to do with this case?
Is he a friend of totmom?
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 04, 2011, 08:50:23 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


June 9th?  He is a witness for the defense, he likely wouldn't be called until after June 9th.  Steph is FOS, IMO.



Hey Klaas, i can't remember how Steph Watts is related to the case?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 04, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


June 9th?  He is a witness for the defense, he likely wouldn't be called until after June 9th.  Steph is FOS, IMO.



Hey Klaas, i can't remember how Steph Watts is related to the case?


And Jerseygirl, sorry I just saw Klaas's response, refresh us on Steph Watts please!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 08:54:50 AM
Good Morning Monkees!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tolerance on June 04, 2011, 08:55:07 AM
I am worried that the people on the jury will not be able to keep all this information straight.  There is just SO much to hear and retain and sort and weigh.  I am not confident that many folks have the attention span required.
Maybe my concerns are due to my lack of any experience with court room proceedures, but I am really worried they may lose the 'big stuff' in all the details.
Tol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 04, 2011, 08:55:17 AM
Video is up, bitch will be walking through that door any moment!  ::boxingcasey:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 08:56:01 AM
Kermit asked this in the last thread:


"I'm curious as to why Baez didn't use insanity defence. If there are psych reports maybe she isn't insane and
if so, that is very telling."

Cos I ideal with with a lot of defense lawyers daily, I know a few of the secret rules. Rule #4 is " In order to use the insanity defense for your client, you yourself (the lawyer) must be sane enough to get thru a trial. You must be prepared, be polite, and above all, IF THE JUDGE TELLS YOU TO KEEP YOUR FILES IN A SPECIAL ROOM, THEN DO IT!"  ::boxingbaez::

In other words, not only is Bozo not qualified to be an attorney, he's sure as heck not qualified to make mental health calls!



Medical science defines it as individuals who don't have the psychological capacity for conscience. They manipulate, lie, and deflect responsibility without batting an eye. They unashamedly gratify their base desires while minimizing their chances of harm. They do things normal people wouldn't think of - like killing your own child to shed some of life's responsibilities.

 Below is the Hare Psychopathy Checklist of traits that define psychopathy (from minddisorders.com):
glib and superficial charm

grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self

need for stimulation


pathological lying

cunning and manipulativeness

lack of remorse or guilt

shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)

callousness and lack of empathy

parasitic lifestyle

poor behavioral controls

sexual promiscuity

early behavior problems

lack of realistic long-term goals

impulsivity

irresponsibility

failure to accept responsibility for own actions

many short-term marital relationships

juvenile delinquency

revocation of conditional release

criminal versatility
 The prosecutor in the Anthony case, Linda Drane Burdick, has attempted to paint Casey Anthony with several of the traits listed above. ::snipping2::


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229357-US-Casey-Anthony-Trial-Psychopath-or-Telling-the-Truth-


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Buckeye on June 04, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


June 9th?  He is a witness for the defense, he likely wouldn't be called until after June 9th.  Steph is FOS, IMO.



Hey Klaas, i can't remember how Steph Watts is related to the case?

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28083833/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 08:58:15 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image11-5.png)

I see people, Trimm.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 08:58:57 AM
Good Morning Monkees!

Good morning cece! Morning everyone!

 ::teddybear::

JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 04, 2011, 08:59:19 AM
Good Morning monkeys, looks like its almost time to start, let's hope we see a lot of this.  ::boxingbaez:: and quite a bit of this  ::boxingcasey::

A saw one crazy pundit on Dr. Drew last night, I don't think she had ever heard of the case before..............we are lucky to still have a TV left, lol.

Just us for Caylee  ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 08:59:24 AM
Not defending Baez or any of his cohorts, but....I realized recently while watching someone I know, many people with smart phones seem to take notes on them, almost like a mini computer, so perhaps at least some of the time that is what some of these people are doing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:00:07 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image14-4.png)

George and Cindy are there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 04, 2011, 09:00:57 AM
stephwatts steph watts
just got my subpoena to testify in the Casey Anthony Murder Trial and it's June 9th... the one day I absolutely can't uugggg

http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts (http://twitter.com/#!/stephwatts)


June 9th?  He is a witness for the defense, he likely wouldn't be called until after June 9th.  Steph is FOS, IMO.



Hey Klaas, i can't remember how Steph Watts is related to the case?

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28083833/detail.html


Thank you!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:01:25 AM
Not defending Baez or any of his cohorts, but....I realized recently while watching someone I know, many people with smart phones seem to take notes on them, almost like a mini computer, so perhaps at least some of the time that is what some of these people are doing.

And here I thought they were playing Angry Birds  ::MonkeyCool:: 

It's still rude IMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
Video is up, bitch will be walking through that door any moment!  ::boxingcasey:: 
I see her.   ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 09:02:50 AM
Good Morning Monks!!

SunnyinTX, NickandNora, mchenry, snoopy, Jerseygirl345, Brandi, Magic Eyes, Buckeye, floridatreasure9, trimmonthelake, klaasend, cece5300, akmom, Monken, Tolerance, Monkey King, pharlap, CBeach, Cappuccino, SweetMorgan, Sister, BabsKats, cookie, Shell, fatcatlurker, carpe noctem, texasmom, loca, west941, AzGrama, Kat_Gram, KarmaRoundUp, CJLove23, 4myjoey, CarolF, Gizzie, DonFL, Mary, _icey_, karenmamo, georgia peach, Rizzy, theboyzmom, Scatty  and 51 Guests are viewing this topic.

 ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingbaez::  READY!!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 04, 2011, 09:03:14 AM
I am just going by memory here ( and you know how tricky memory can be ) so feel free to pile drive me if I am off the mark.


....but I thought Steph Watts and Mark Fuhrman showed up at the house in roughly late July 2008 to talk to Cindy & George.

Cindy & George started floating the pool theory to them.

( I have always believed that pool stuff is bunk generated by George & Cindy to poison people's minds - In the jail video from late July or so, you can see Cindy planting the pool idea in Casey's mind )


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:03:35 AM
Good morning!

Feels good to watch from my couch today!  i hope today is less snooze inducing than yesterday ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Not defending Baez or any of his cohorts, but....I realized recently while watching someone I know, many people with smart phones seem to take notes on them, almost like a mini computer, so perhaps at least some of the time that is what some of these people are doing.

And here I thought they were playing Angry Birds  ::MonkeyCool:: 

It's still rude IMO

 ::rhino::

I bet she's just aching to myspace, facebook, anything on the computer and phone!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 09:04:36 AM
Of course Baez doesn't want a legit witness to take the stand


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:05:01 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:05:45 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

...and getting schooled by Perry. Again.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:05:57 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: theboyzmom on June 04, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
Baez is getting schooled again - CJBP ALREADY ruled on this!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 09:07:29 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution
Which is anyone not working for the defense! Pow, Judge Perry...right out of the box. ::boxingbaez::
Good Morning, Monkeys!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 09:07:42 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and guests!

Starting the day off with Baez getting schooled once again.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


                                                JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tevye on June 04, 2011, 09:08:46 AM
maybe we should all chip in and buy Bozo a copy of "Florida Court Rules"? Here in Michigan, our MCR tells one how and when to make motions, what has to come first, yada yada yada. All of which Bozo seems to know nothing about! ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 09:08:56 AM
I missed it!  Who does Byass want voire dired on the stand?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:08:59 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

...and getting schooled by Perry. Again.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image15-3.png)

Someone mentioned how Baez seldom looks at Perry when he makes an objection. (It's true.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
Did we or did we not slog through hours of Frye hearings?  What is Baez trying to accomplish here?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:09:08 AM
CJBP tells Bozo that they he can state his objections BUT no mini Frye hearing for you  ::monkeydenied::

Bozo still making argument wanting to "voir dire" the witness if they are qualified to be considered an expert  ::insert rolling eyes here::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
omg, this is ridiculous!   ::boxingbaez:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 09:10:36 AM
This is the FBI expert on the death banding of the hair, right?  I remember her as compentent and professional.  Anathema to Baez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Baez doesn't feel that an FBI hair and fiber analyst is qualified to testify about forensics. I don't believe Baez is qualified to practice law.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tolerance on June 04, 2011, 09:11:06 AM
How can Baez ever show his face in public again?
I am completely embarrassed for him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:11:14 AM
Really, it must frustrate JP to no end that he keeps having to teach Baez how to be a lawyer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
CJBP  "You can maintain your position but the court has ruled"   ::monkeydenied::

They will lay a foundation that the person is qualified, if they dont you object & the court will rule  ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
omg, this is ridiculous!   ::boxingbaez:: ::MonkeyMad::

When will Baez get sanctioned????    ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
Baez is getting schooled again - CJBP ALREADY ruled on this!!!!
Exactly.   ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 09:12:06 AM
Baez is arguing with the Judge...my mouth is hanging open.  Judge P says, ::monkeydenied::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 09:12:07 AM
I wonder if Byass has realized his defense isn't going so well yet?   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:12:28 AM
man, he's really pushing JP this morning.  Not smart.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 09:12:29 AM
CJBP knows exactly what Baez has done at the Frye Hearings.  Baez has no clue what he did during the Frye Hearings.


We've wasted enough time on this...CJBP   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:12:39 AM
omg what an idiot.. he repeats and insists and argues even after the judge xplains to him..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 09:12:54 AM
Dear God, when will Baez run out of varieties of pasta to throw at this thing????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:13:06 AM
Karen Korsburg Lowe - FBI Lab person on the hair banding


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:13:18 AM
Get her Karen!  ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 09:13:22 AM
Baez doesn't feel that an FBI hair and fiber analyst is qualified to testify about forensics. I don't believe Baez is qualified to practice law.
Amen!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 09:13:32 AM
Is Sims going to cross examine this witness?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.

Does jose talk to his other 2 lawyers b4 opening his mouth?  Appears not, you think?
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:14:02 AM
This is the FBI expert on the death banding of the hair, right?  I remember her as compentent and professional.  Anathema to Baez.

Karen Lowe called as the next State witness   Trace evidence examiner


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 09:14:20 AM
Wooo this lady means BUSINESS.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:14:51 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image16-3.png)

Karen Lowe on stand now


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 09:15:13 AM
I took a nap from 7 am so just got here, but did I see KC pointing to paper to tell Bozo what to aruge to the judge during that last objection?

 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
I took a nap from 7 am so just got here, but did I see KC pointing to paper to tell Bozo what to aruge to the judge during that last objection?

 ::boxingbaez::
You did indeed Zoo -- amazing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.

Does jose talk to his other 2 lawyers b4 opening his mouth?  Appears not, you think?
 ::MonkeyBike::

I just got here. Please give me a quick recap just on what Jose did and CJB said? Thank you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:16:57 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.

Does jose talk to his other 2 lawyers b4 opening his mouth?  Appears not, you think?
 ::MonkeyBike::
He just tells them which one is in charge of KC while he's doing his thang.  He's in charge you know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:17:02 AM
Is Sims going to cross examine this witness?

Hi Monkalicious.  ::HelloKitty::

I am wondering the same thing...since we had to endure DS last time with Karen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
This should be embarrassing again.  Baez is going to try and discredit this witness.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
Bozo is allowed a "brief" voir dire of the witness

As if that will stop the testimony - o for the love of God, a sidebar


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:17:43 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image16-3.png)

Karen Lowe on stand now

is she looking over at ICA in this photo?  I hope so because this mean look would give me death bands around my hair strands while I was still alive!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:17:51 AM
JP calls Baez to the bench.  He does not sound happy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
I took a nap from 7 am so just got here, but did I see KC pointing to paper to tell Bozo what to aruge to the judge during that last objection?

 ::boxingbaez::
You did indeed Zoo -- amazing.

Sadly, she probably knows better than he does. Blech.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:19:00 AM
JP calls Baez to the bench.  He does not sound happy.

can we just put a dunce cap on him and make him sit in the corner already? ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 09:19:03 AM
Does anyone have a link that shows the witness? All I see is Casey.   ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:19:08 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image16-3.png)

Karen Lowe on stand now

is she looking over at ICA in this photo?  I hope so because this mean look would give me death bands around my hair strands while I was still alive!


No, she is not looking at Casey in this photo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DayOldDonuts on June 04, 2011, 09:19:08 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with wftv's side by side?   I can't get video.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
I feel like half the time (actually, 90% of the time) Baez objects he's just stalling and trying to waste time. It's incredibly frustrating. He needs to do his homework and be prepared. He's so childish and unprofessional.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
I took a nap from 7 am so just got here, but did I see KC pointing to paper to tell Bozo what to aruge to the judge during that last objection?

 ::boxingbaez::
You did indeed Zoo -- amazing.

I guess all that legal assistant training she has gotten over the past 3 years has really helped and she is now a pre-lawyer.   When she is found not-guilty, she will have a career.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image16-3.png)

Karen Lowe on stand now

is she looking over at ICA in this photo?  I hope so because this mean look would give me death bands around my hair strands while I was still alive!


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

She's lovely, cool headed, unflappable and a genius. Kc may pee her pants today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:19:58 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.

Does jose talk to his other 2 lawyers b4 opening his mouth?  Appears not, you think?
 ::MonkeyBike::
He just tells them which one is in charge of KC while he's doing his thang.  He's in charge you know.

Really? Wowsa! Thanks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Good Morning Monkeys

Another day closer to Justice for Caylee Marie!!  ::justice2NJ::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 09:20:09 AM
What happens if Casey fires Baez or she so late in the game?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:20:11 AM
Curious why bozo is cross examining this witness when this type of evidence is exactly why Simms was brought on to the defense team.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 09:20:41 AM
Does anyone have a split screen site working this morning?  TIA  I can't stand looking at KC exclusively this early in the morning


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 09:21:34 AM
This should be embarrassing again.  Baez is going to try and discredit this witness.

13 years and 44 times she has testified.
 ::boxingbaez::

Wait a minute, jose was a lawyer for what 3 years when he took this case?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:21:42 AM
so now Baez is basically calling scientific fact something akin to complete fiction/opinion  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
All Baez wanted to do was get out this was the first time she testified regarding hair banding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:22:13 AM
Does anyone have a split screen site working this morning?  TIA  I can't stand looking at KC exclusively this early in the morning

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:22:19 AM
This witness is quick and will put Bozo in his place, I am confident, I like her!! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:22:24 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with wftv's side by side?   I can't get video.

Mine went out for a second. It's back, but has not been split today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 09:22:40 AM
Does anyone have a split screen site working this morning?  TIA  I can't stand looking at KC exclusively this early in the morning

Split screen on HLN right now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 09:22:42 AM
Woo hoo!!! 

I was afraid JBP was going to side with Bozo.

 ::MonkeyTongue::  for Bozo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:22:55 AM
Baez is objecting again to anyone smart taking the stand for the Prosecution

AND - now JP is explaining how to object to a witness.

Does jose talk to his other 2 lawyers b4 opening his mouth?  Appears not, you think?
 ::MonkeyBike::
He just tells them which one is in charge of KC while he's doing his thang.  He's in charge you know.

Really? Wowsa! Thanks.
I was joking about the first part.  lol  He is indeed the lead atty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:23:20 AM
All Baez wanted to do was get out this was the first time she testified regarding hair banding.

 ::rhino::  Whoopie


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:23:23 AM
Does anyone have a split screen site working this morning?  TIA  I can't stand looking at KC exclusively this early in the morning

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

Mornin' Sunny  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
This is the part that Farmville Lady will have problems with.  I wonder if she's taking notes, watching the witness?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 09:24:07 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with wftv's side by side?   I can't get video.
Try this. http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: theboyzmom on June 04, 2011, 09:24:47 AM
I feel like half the time (actually, 90% of the time) Baez objects he's just stalling and trying to waste time. It's incredibly frustrating. He needs to do his homework and be prepared. He's so childish and unprofessional.

My husband (who is being forced to listen!) said a similar thing. Baez is not only stalling because he does not know what to do.  He is being a per day fee for the trial and his goal is to get paid until he is old enough to retire - and if he can keep this case going forever he gets paid forever.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 09:25:21 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
In the past Baez has called this form of hair science "junk"
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 09:25:32 AM
This woman has more brains than the entire defense team put together.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:26:07 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:26:30 AM
Really? Wowsa! Thanks.
I was joking about the first part.  lol  He is indeed the lead atty.

I was just shocked, because I thought Simms was going to handle the forensic stuff. I wonder what happened? Are Simms and Mason stepping back so they can get a appeal for ineffective council? If that happens, I will be incredibly sick!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 09:26:34 AM
Does anyone have a split screen site working this morning?  TIA  I can't stand looking at KC exclusively this early in the morning

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

thanks brandi....that's where I was and only had one screen.....closed it out and now I have a split screen...thanks...

I think JP is getting fed up having to school JB. I'd like to know why the other attorney's let him get up and pizz JP off?  Surely THEY know better.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image17-4.png)

Karen Lowe addresses the jury as she answers questions. She sounds great, professional, and knowledgeable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:27:30 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.
I've tried them all.  I think the online feeds are being bombarded today. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 09:27:39 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
This woman has more brains than the entire defense team put together.
::rhino::  She is so impressive, totally thorough, and speaking in layman terms so to speak. Very understandable, the jury should have no trouble understanding her testimony, imo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
this link is very good. no casey cam, but very good and not listed on page 1 of this thread.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:29:45 AM
Really? Wowsa! Thanks.
I was joking about the first part.  lol  He is indeed the lead atty.

I was just shocked, because I thought Simms was going to handle the forensic stuff. I wonder what happened? Are Simms and Mason stepping back so they can get a appeal for ineffective council? If that happens, I will be incredibly sick!
I really thought Sims would be doing the questioning today.  Maybe they're refusing to because of the embarrassment of the case.  Or maybe their doing shortest straw and Jose just keeps losing.  lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
The expert witness is testifying about a paper discussing research of death band hair from 1988


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 09:30:36 AM
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html  Split screen~ Casey in left bottom corner.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Oh, I like this one, thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Mine's working, and they finally went to split screen

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
Here Bozo goes again, there is no reason for him to have to take the floor  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:32:11 AM
this link is very good. no casey cam, but very good and not listed on page 1 of this thread.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory
Shari
thank you! finaly!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:32:42 AM
Unbelievable! did you see Casey playfully wrinkle her nose and nod to the person sitting to her right?  ::boxingcasey::

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:33:27 AM
this link is very good. no casey cam, but very good and not listed on page 1 of this thread.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory
Shari
thank you! finaly!

You're welcome! this link works beautifully on my android phone as well when I'm at work! ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:33:47 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image19-2.png)

State's chart on hair banding they are about to discuss


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:34:56 AM
Here Bozo goes again, there is no reason for him to have to take the floor  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Except that he and KC have a lot in common.  He wants to be the star and have all the attention.  He's digging his own hole.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
Karen Lowe: Witness

So this is the expert witness for the prosecution that the defense did not want on the stand.

She said that banding begins after two days so obviously that would mean that Caylee was in the trunk two days after death. This should be interesting testimony.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Mine's working, and they finally went to split screen

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Does yours keep switching from one frame to two and then one again? Wish I could get the other link in this post to work...everytime I click it I get "An error occurred"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: dani on June 04, 2011, 09:36:10 AM
Is CNN working for anyone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:36:27 AM
So this is the expert witness for the prosecution that the defense did not want on the stand.

She said that banding begins after two days so obviously that would mean that Caylee was in the trunk two days after death. This should be interesting testimony.

Very & Bozo look like a moron standing there like a student versus a defense attorney who should have fully studied this in the past three years, pretrial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:37:18 AM
Karen Lowe: Witness

So this is the expert witness for the prosecution that the defense did not want on the stand.

She said that banding begins after two days so obviously that would mean that Caylee was in the trunk two days after death. This should be interesting testimony.

I can see why the defense didn't want her to testify, she is clear, concise, and great at explaining in layman's terms! Also, her voice inflections make people listen I think, instead of zoning out! ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 09:37:36 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:38:44 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Mine's working, and they finally went to split screen

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Does yours keep switching from one frame to two and then one again? Wish I could get the other link in this post to work...everytime I click it I get "An error occurred"

When the witness came down, it did go back to one screen. I also get an error with the other link. Sorry :(


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image19-2.png)

State's chart on hair banding they are about to discuss

Nice, Brandi ... what feed are you watching to get this still pics?

Nothing better by an expert witness to explain a complex process than to provide a pic for the jury.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:39:31 AM
Objecting  "improper bolstering"

Overruled


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Mine's working, and they finally went to split screen

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Does yours keep switching from one frame to two and then one again? Wish I could get the other link in this post to work...everytime I click it I get "An error occurred"

When the witness came down, it did go back to one screen. I also get an error with the other link. Sorry :(

I'm at the channel 6 reflector link on the first page of the thread and I have two screens but they're small.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:40:27 AM

Nice, Brandi ... what feed are you watching to get this still pics?

Nothing better by an expert witness to explain a complex process than to provide a pic for the jury.

I believe I got this one from: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case

I have 4 streams going at once ATM.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:41:33 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image19-2.png)

State's chart on hair banding they are about to discuss

Thanks Brandi! I couldn't see it on the little screens I'm looking at.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 09:41:44 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:42:42 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

no. just this one hair.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:42:53 AM
Casey Anthony News13

Some jurors look a bit confused. There's a lot to just one little hair.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)

(I like how Jeff Ashton is trying to clarify her testimony for the jury.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 09:43:24 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Mine's working, and they finally went to split screen

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Does yours keep switching from one frame to two and then one again? Wish I could get the other link in this post to work...everytime I click it I get "An error occurred"

This link is back up..Technical problem was resolved..
http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 09:43:49 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

no. just this one hair.

Thank you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 09:45:05 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

no. just this one hair.

Knowing this was Dr Lee, they were probably his own hairs.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
This link is back up..Technical problem was resolved..
http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Yup, working for me now.  ::MonkeyCheer4:: Oh this one is nice. Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 09:46:06 AM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 09:46:26 AM
If anymonkey knows what the words for the twitter hashtag #cttfc is, would you please let this confused monkey know?  I know it's the ICA trial, but I wanna know what the words stand for.  I've searched the web high and low!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
It's funny watching Mr. BuyAzzz write his questions down now for the witness.  Didn't do his homework as usual.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

Yes, her show tonight is going to cover this case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 09:47:06 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

no. just this one hair.

Knowing this was Dr Lee, they were probably his own hairs.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Oh, I like this one, thanks!

me...best one for me so far!!! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 09:49:24 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/hair.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:50:07 AM
It's funny watching Mr. BuyAzzz write his questions down now for the witness.  Didn't do his homework as usual.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image20-3.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:50:31 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Oh, I like this one, thanks!

me...best one for me so far!!! ::MonkeyGavel::

I really like this one best. Awesome!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

Most likely not as I feel like he brought them there and planted them. There is no way they missed 17 hairs after visual inspection and vacuuming more than once that trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
It's funny watching Mr. BuyAzzz write his questions down now for the witness.  Didn't do his homework as usual.

Guess he figures he can do better than Dot did the last time they had to deal with Karen.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
does anyone have a good functioning live stream.. this morning I am having problems.


I agree...tks ::MonkeyBike::

I use this link with 2 views. Clear picture and sound..

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

Oh, I like this one, thanks!

me...best one for me so far!!! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 09:52:53 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

Most likely not as I feel like he brought them there and planted them. There is no way they missed 17 hairs after visual inspection and vacuuming more than once that trunk.

He is no longer testifying right, so the jury will never hear that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 09:53:29 AM
I'm actually glad he's writing like nuts. I think it shows he's realized he's LOSING! Too little, too late, Baez!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
My gosh kc is shooting for the mick jagger pout look big time this morning. Ick! If it sticks out any further she'll be top heavy and fall again.  ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 09:56:36 AM
Karen Lowe: Witness

So this is the expert witness for the prosecution that the defense did not want on the stand.

She said that banding begins after two days so obviously that would mean that Caylee was in the trunk two days after death. This should be interesting testimony.

Morning Red!!  She is a good witness!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DayOldDonuts on June 04, 2011, 09:57:02 AM
Hm.  Didn't compare the decomp hair with the other hair found in the trunk.  Darn.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:57:32 AM
Someone needs to get Jeff a cough drop.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: melisb on June 04, 2011, 09:58:13 AM
Also will the state go after the Anthony's, in the future , for the cost of this trial, maybe  by getting the money from movie rights?

From the beginning, Cindy stating "what did you do?" from 6-16-2011.
Then covering up by putting softy sheets in the car to try and cover the smell up.  By washing the clothes and trying to clean the trunk of the car.

If there wasn't a cover up, this case would of went to trial, 1-2 years ago.
 ::MonkeyEek::



We all know that CA and GA knew that was human decomp they were smelling BUT they never, ever for one minute really thought that it would be Casey or Caylee!  I believe to this day that when GA first smelled it he probably thought that Casey had run over someone and panicked or a friend OD'd something horrible like that and he was trying to cover that up.  Never was he thinking that his own daughter killed their Grandbaby!  I know at the tow yard he hoped that they were not dead in the trunk but later on he would probably realize CA had spoken to Casey since the car had been sitting.  Cover up what Casey had done? YES! Did they think they were covering the murder of Caylee?  Not at that time.  Did George come to reality that she had done something to her own daughter?  You betcha!  He's ex-LE, it would cross his mind.  Heck it would cross any normal person's mind!

It does in all actuality appear to be a cover-up but- could these have been the actions of a desperate, panicked woman who wasn't sure what to believe, as she had her crazed daughter telling her one thing and being in serious denial?

As a parent, you want to believe in your kids.

I can't fathom how these people functioned on a daily basis with that nut in the house.

Aside from all stress and grief this family has gone through (and continue to go through) I'll bet they are relieved she's out of the house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:58:33 AM
Hm.  Didn't compare the decomp hair with the other hair found in the trunk.  Darn.

Why would she?  Per Bozo that car was 10 years old and it could have anyone's hair in it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 09:59:28 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.
It's like she's just a part of the gallery and this has nothing to do with her at all.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:59:40 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.

She is blinking a lot during this testimony but notice no upset, no tears while they discuss Caylee's hair post mortem


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:01:13 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.
::rhino::  Her look for the jury. Once they are out of the room, it's back to giggles or anger towards her attorneys.  She makes me sick with all her games.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:01:15 AM
Baez is gonna jump all over the "apparent"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:01:37 AM
Cross time and Jose can't let go of the steering wheel to let Sims handle this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:01:57 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: melisb on June 04, 2011, 10:02:00 AM
Ok, everyone party in the box!!    ::monkeywine2::



Sorry Monkey King, I got right in the middle.  Guess I just ain't payin attention today.  Gotta get to work and maybe I'll get to see some of the trial.  I'm waiting for some evidence we didn't know about before.  I just want a bombshell I reckon!!!!  Not that it's needed!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
CJBP tells Bozo that they he can state his objections BUT no mini Frye hearing for you  ::monkeydenied::

Bozo still making argument wanting to "voir dire" the witness if they are qualified to be considered an expert  ::insert rolling eyes here::

Just sitting here laughing that bozo does not consider her qualified. An FBI scientist for over 10 years and he does not consider her an expert? I can see why he does not want her testifying, she is all business and very articulate in describing her work.  

Here we go with the goof ball cross.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tolerance on June 04, 2011, 10:02:23 AM
I get a stomach ache every time Jose gets up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:02:25 AM
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I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.

She is blinking a lot during this testimony but notice no upset, no tears while they discuss Caylee's hair post mortem
IMO she has place her mind somewhere else..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:02:57 AM
OMG, I can't believe Blowhole is cross examining KL, the hair expert! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:02:57 AM
Cross time and Jose can't let go of the steering wheel to let Sims handle this.

I wonder if it is that he's being controlling or if they're setting up for inept council. I hope it is the control issue so that everyone, including Mason and Simms, turns on him after this!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::

It "will all be very clear" when he finishes........ROFLMAO!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:03:31 AM
Baez is gonna jump all over the "apparent"

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:04:15 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::
Only now he is lecturing and not asking questions.    ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:04:52 AM
JP has a big book out at sidebar.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:04:52 AM
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I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.

She is blinking a lot during this testimony but notice no upset, no tears while they discuss Caylee's hair post mortem
IMO she has place her mind somewhere else..

She's hearing it, she's too busy looking around her defense table & her focus went immediately to the objection and present sidebar


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:05:12 AM
Even if Baez gets in a good point you miss it because he is such an ass


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:05:37 AM
I keep expecting JP to pull out a ruler and tell Jose to hold out his hand.
 :smt075


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tolerance on June 04, 2011, 10:06:02 AM
OJT
for Baez


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:06:04 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on

Sometimes I do that, too. But sometimes it mesmerizes me, and I can't "not" watch.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 10:06:18 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::

So Baez is going to attempt to muddy FBI forensic investigation.  Good luck Jose.

There is a reason why the defense did not want this witness up there. Baez will be grasping at "hairs" with this witness. Cross did not even last a minute and they are at side bar.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
jose is WAY out of his league.
 ::boxingbaez:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:06:31 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sometimes I can't take it either. We need a little game to play during times like these...something like this  ::boxingbaez:: A punch bozo in the head game. What fun huh?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 04, 2011, 10:06:54 AM
CJBP tells Bozo that they he can state his objections BUT no mini Frye hearing for you  ::monkeydenied::

Bozo still making argument wanting to "voir dire" the witness if they are qualified to be considered an expert  ::insert rolling eyes here::

Just sitting here laughing that bozo does not consider her qualified. An FBI scientist for over 10 years and he does not consider her an expert? I can see why he does not want her testifying, she is all business and very articulate in describing her work.  

Here we go with the goof ball cross.



Must be infuriating to be questioned about your education by a guy who dropped out of the 9th grade. Love ya, Jose. ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image22-5.png)

Had to capture Baez's stance during the sidebar.

sheesh


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Someone needs to get Jeff a cough drop.

Ricola. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
Recess already????

Crap!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
Morning recess

Something went down at that sidebar


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:08:25 AM
Recess already????

Crap!
Just another one of Baez's stall tactics, imo.  He caused this at sidebar.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Bozo went out the court room entrance door


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
What's kc doing under the table looking so sneaky about?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:09:00 AM
Where did Baez go?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:09:36 AM
Mid morning break after an hour of testimony?  JP must be trying to cool off.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
Pretty soon we won't be able to see Casey for the stack of binders in front of her.  No organization what-so-ever with the DT.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: OriginalKat on June 04, 2011, 10:09:53 AM
Did I see that right when break was called that Casey was using a laptop computer?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
Where did Baez go?

Out the court room entrance door, nothing in his hands.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:10:24 AM
Where did Baez go?
To get a redbull?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:10:31 AM
Morning recess

Something went down at that sidebar

I agree. Bobo left the court room as soon as the jury was out and was walking fast. Pudgly followed and started jogging as he approached the door to try to catch Bobo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
Quote
Sometimes I can't take it either. We need a little game to play during times like these...something like this  A punch bozo in the head game. What fun huh?

Yes! Every time Bozo says something stupid / bullies a witness / needs more time to get his stuff together, we punch Bozo in the head! We need a Bozo pinata.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:10:35 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::

So Baez is going to attempt to muddy FBI forensic investigation.  Good luck Jose.

There is a reason why the defense did not want this witness up there. Baez will be grasping at "hairs" with this witness. Cross did not even last a minute and they are at side bar.

Followed by a recess. That happens a lot. It makes me think that JP needs to go somewhere in a closet and laugh hysterically at Baez so he can get it out for before he faces the rest of the day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:10:42 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:10:53 AM
What's kc doing under the table looking so sneaky about?

Definitely something


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:10:57 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/bozothinking.png)

worried hmmmm??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:10:58 AM
Anyone have TWITTER comments from people in the court?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:11:07 AM
Where did Baez go?

Strutting out the courtroom  with his pimp walk with the other attorney chubby running behind him


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
What's kc doing under the table looking so sneaky about?

Definitely something
she likes to take her shoes off ....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:11:53 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Probably preparing Bozo's cross


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/bozothinking.png)

worried hmmmm??
Wow...that look Mumbles is giving him!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:12:12 AM
Bill Shaffer is saying "this defense team seems to be schizophrenic"........ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 04, 2011, 10:12:19 AM
Even if Baez gets in a good point you miss it because he is such an ass

Quote of the day  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 10:12:25 AM
Bozo went out the court room entrance door

Baez left the court room to go to the Monkey Break room to curse. Another recess called by JP. Baez probably has to go find his lost notes for folders for this witness.

This cross is going to be most interesting to see how the expert combats Baez's antics.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 04, 2011, 10:12:50 AM
9:am Sat, June 4, 2011 Court is in session:

Next witness is Karen Lowe, FBI Agent:

Baez is renewing objections based on Frye Hearings, JBP is telling him he is kind of crazy and tells him why, has to do with a mini-Frye hearing, that is what they have Frye Hearings for.  Baez is trying to cite law but I can't understand him and I don't think the judge can either.  Something about a voir dire and a predicate.  JBP will just renew Baez's objections and it will be his previous rulings.  The state must lay a proper foundation.  If there is some problem they will voir dire her. The judge says I will just renew your objections.  Baez wants to voir dire the witness and JBP says well we had that at the Frye Hearing, so the simple answer to that is no.  Unless she testifies to something totally different than at the Frye Hearing about her qualifications at the Frye hearing, we have established that already.  Judge is trying to school Baez but it isn't working, JBP says you can maintain your objections but I have RULED!!!!!  JBP says we have wasted enough time. 

Bringing jury in:

Karen Korsbaeg Lowe is the next witness:

FBI CSI for FBI Quantico, VA

BA in Science, Master's in Science, various courses.  Spent over a year in training with hair and fibers.  She was qualified as an examiner for 13 years.  She has been an expert at trials all over the country, most of her testimony is about microscopic trace evidence, mostly hair.

Baez doing brief voir Dire.

This is the first time you have ever testified on hair banding?  Yes.  Side Bar.......Side Bar over.....
The topics you are going to cover today in your testimony, it was a 6 month course?  Yes.  The courses that you have taken on this topic you are going to testify on today, was it 3?  Yes, the year long training had 3 just on hair.  The rest is on the job training?  Yes.  Sustained no further questions.
End of voir dire, she is an expert on trace evidence and hair.

Jeff Ashton is up..............

How long has trace and hair evidence been around? Late 1800's. Hair from the 1930's.  Hair is done in the steps, Collection, Comparison and Identification.  Hair is not like DNA, one hair can not be said to come from one hair but they can be excluded with different characteristics.  Microscopically hair can be examined to find out race, how they were taken, other characteristics.  Are there signs of decomp related to hair, yes the first papers were in 1988, hairs that showed hair in apparent decomp.  A decomp banding made of air spaces.  Post mortem root band seems to be between soft and hard carotene.  In 1998 there was another case study on this.  Another paper was done on this same thing.  Another paper a two part paper done by Lych, they used 22 samples for decomp, they saw root banding at 2 days, 4 days etc, etc.  Hair under all kinds of weather and circumstances.  These were taken from known decomposed bodies.  One of them was hair taken from live hairs to see if they would get the same banding, they did not.  Does the research show what causes the post mortem decomp banding, no it just shows the banding.  Jeff is going to use a chart with this witness, the witness will step down to the chart.  The chart shows different Human Hair Roots and pictures of them, microscopically. 

Using the chart, Jeff asks her to explain the chart, antigen is active growth stage, the hair cuticle reacts with the internal root sheath.  They are shed before death and show no root banding.  The only hairs that we see with root banding is antigen hair, hairs still growing out of the head.  Decamp hair is tapered and can be hardened and come to a point.  The appearance of decamp can not be replicated by any known process other than decamp.  Shows four examples of apparent decamp root banding.

Witness is taking the stand again.  Done with the chart.  Is it a mathematically precise process, no it is a visual process, although they have found some math related, just not a standard yet.  When your doing an examination of a hair, are you looking at the hair in 2D or 3D.  She is looking at the hair through 3D.  She has hairs in a reference collection to compare hairs to.  They use known hair examples.  Guesstimate of decomp hairs over 2000 cases is a fair number, doesn't even want to guess at the number.  When you have seen decomp banding, where they already known to be of dead people?  Yes.  How frequently have you seen post mortem banding?  Yes.  Were you provided hair in the Caylee Anthony case?  Yes.  Showing her items.  She is shown a sample and recognizes it with her lab markings, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it, shown another and recognizes it.  Where you given certain items from known individuals?  Yes.  Shows her item, she recognizes it, shows her another item, she recognizes it.  Shows another item and she recognizes it, from Cindy Anthony.  Shown another item and she recognizes it, from George Anthony.  Were you also submitted a hair brush as a purported hair brush and comb from Caylee Anthony.  She is shown a purported hair brush from Caylee Anthony and recognizes it.  She is shown a purported comb from Caylee Anthony and recognizes it.  How many hairs did you find from these items.  She is referring to notes.  At least 11 or more hairs.  In any of the hairs did you find any that showed decomp?  Yes, one did, Q-12.  Shows her Q-12, state exhibit 99.  the hair is a Caucasian hair that had a post mortem dark band.  She examined it with a stereo microscope and another microscope in 3d.  It was 9 inches long, light brown.  She compared it to a sample from Casey and Caylee, it did not compare to Casey's but it did compare to a hair from Caylee's hair brush.  She concluded they were similar.  Based upon that examination do you have an opinion that the hair in Q-12 had apparent decomp?  Yes.  Has that ever been found under other circumstances?  No, only decomp has been shown to show that root banding.  She re-mounted the hair and sent it to another lab.  Showing her another exhibit, she is opening with scissors.  She recognizes it as the portion of Q-12 that she sent for Mitro DNA.  Introducing that into evidence.  Why do you use the word apparent decomp?  Because that has not yet been shown to be replicated under any other circumstance so they still use the word apparent to be scientific.

Baez is pleasing the court.......

This goes back to the 1930's in the FBI Labs? People still have hair but the science has changed?  Yes.  What has changed is the FBI's position?  There have numerous trials.  Baez is asking stupid questions, I can't understand they are Sustained.  You have read reports organized by Congress, that is respected, is it not? She doesn't know how to answer.......going to side bar.  I am having a hard time typing for Baez, he is not making sense, so I can't type it by ear, lol. 

Mid morning recess.......




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:12:55 AM
Anyone have TWITTER comments from people in the court?

Casey Anthony News13

And we are approaching the bench! Baez does not like this science. State doesn't like his questioning. Judge looks irritated.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:13:05 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Great capture!

Right before she did that, she was looking at the laptop reading, and then she slipped down like she was doing something under that desk, looking around as if she was worried someone would see what she's doing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:13:22 AM
Bill Shaffer is saying "this defense team seems to be schizophrenic"........ ::MonkeyHaHa::

They really should just Concede that their client is guilty and apologize for wasting everybody's time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:13:32 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::boxingbaez::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flutter1 on June 04, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
Cross time and Jose can't let go of the steering wheel to let Sims handle this.

This dufense does remind me of Thelma and Louise.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
I am worried that the people on the jury will not be able to keep all this information straight.  There is just SO much to hear and retain and sort and weigh.  I am not confident that many folks have the attention span required.
Maybe my concerns are due to my lack of any experience with court room proceedures, but I am really worried they may lose the 'big stuff' in all the details.
Tol

yes me too!  Does the jury have access to the court transcripts during deliberation?  If so - all of it or a part they're wanting to go over?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:13:54 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Great capture!

Right before she did that, she was looking at the laptop reading, and then she slipped down like she was doing something under that desk, looking around as if she was worried someone would see what she's doing.
Texting on Jose's phone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 10:14:04 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Now in 15 min recess
6 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Jurors looking around while in sidebar. #CaseyAnthony
6 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
And we are approaching the bench! Baez does not like this science. State doesn't like his questioning. Judge loo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:14:27 AM
Cross time and Jose can't let go of the steering wheel to let Sims handle this.

This dufense does remind me of Thelma and Louise.

that's because it's being televised!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
The hairs that Lee found did they have hair banding?

Most likely not as I feel like he brought them there and planted them. There is no way they missed 17 hairs after visual inspection and vacuuming more than once that trunk.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2011, 10:14:52 AM
Where did Baez go?

Did I hear a BOOM at sidebar?   ::MonkeyTongue::

Judge Perry must have a stomach of steel, but I think even that is being put to the test with Baez's antics!  Surely this is not common in capital cases?
 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
I am worried that the people on the jury will not be able to keep all this information straight.  There is just SO much to hear and retain and sort and weigh.  I am not confident that many folks have the attention span required.
Maybe my concerns are due to my lack of any experience with court room proceedures, but I am really worried they may lose the 'big stuff' in all the details.
Tol

yes me too!  Does the jury have access to the court transcripts during deliberation?  If so - all of it or a part they're wanting to go over?

Only thing they need to remember IMO is Caylee's hair in the trunk with a deathband


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:15:55 AM
I guess Bozo could not find a witness to counter the opinion of Karen?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 04, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
The juror tans are all pretty faded now. Not sure if bronzer is in the court budget. #caseyanthony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:16:33 AM
Thank you Magic Eyes!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
Quote
Sometimes I can't take it either. We need a little game to play during times like these...something like this  A punch bozo in the head game. What fun huh?

Yes! Every time Bozo says something stupid / bullies a witness / needs more time to get his stuff together, we punch Bozo in the head! We need a Bozo pinata.

I think you should invent one - you'd make ALOT of money!  Can you imagine what the Halloween costumes this year will look like!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: OriginalKat on June 04, 2011, 10:16:42 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/bozothinking.png)

worried hmmmm??
Wow...that look Mumbles is giving him!

Did anyone else after Baez walk out notice Casey on the grey laptop from this picture? WESH went from the small screen to large screen on Casey. She had it in front of her and not like in this pic and very intense on it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
Anyone have TWITTER comments from people in the court?


CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
And we are approaching the bench! Baez does not like this science. State doesn't like his questioning. Judge looks irritated.

TeamNancyHLN Team Nancy HLN
The jurors seem very interested in this testimony. They are paying close attention to the "new science".

TeamNancyHLN Team Nancy HLN
Defense attorney Jose Baez is taking a lot of notes during this testimony. ::MonkeyHaHa::

TeamNancyHLN Team Nancy HLN
#CaseyAnthony has no reaction to the background history of hairbanding. However, the juors seem to be interested






Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: texasmom on June 04, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Great capture!

Right before she did that, she was looking at the laptop reading, and then she slipped down like she was doing something under that desk, looking around as if she was worried someone would see what she's doing.
Texting on Jose's phone?

Texting was my first thought.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:17:02 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Great capture!

Right before she did that, she was looking at the laptop reading, and then she slipped down like she was doing something under that desk, looking around as if she was worried someone would see what she's doing.
Texting on Jose's phone?

Sims lent her her celly and she is hitting up Tony?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:17:05 AM
Bill Shaffer is saying "this defense team seems to be schizophrenic"........ ::MonkeyHaHa::

They really should just Concede that their client is guilty and apologize for wasting everybody's time.

And a ton of taxpayers money


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:17:32 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sometimes I can't take it either. We need a little game to play during times like these...something like this  ::boxingbaez:: A punch bozo in the head game. What fun huh?

That game with a head that pops up and ya gotta slam it back down... Bozo's head in there would be perfect! 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Western Observr on June 04, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on

Sometimes I do that, too. But sometimes it mesmerizes me, and I can't "not" watch.

if my little one is napping & I can "watch" instead of listening I mute it & put the captions on!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:18:59 AM
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Kathi Belich and Bill Sheaffer discussing the case live. (Just went to commercial that is blacked out.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:19:22 AM
I am worried that the people on the jury will not be able to keep all this information straight.  There is just SO much to hear and retain and sort and weigh.  I am not confident that many folks have the attention span required.
Maybe my concerns are due to my lack of any experience with court room proceedures, but I am really worried they may lose the 'big stuff' in all the details.
Tol

yes me too!  Does the jury have access to the court transcripts during deliberation?  If so - all of it or a part they're wanting to go over?

Only thing they need to remember IMO is Caylee's hair in the trunk with a deathband

Yes, they can make requests.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
Since Simms didn't do the cross for the FBI hair expert, I guess she is KC's official babysitter/nanny


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 10:19:39 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.

yep, while the jury is in the room....but when they leave bet we see the BOSS.....finger pointing and all....or miss smiley...eeekkkkkkk that made me think of the movie Sybil ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 10:21:08 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:21:08 AM
I wonder what reaction she will give when she is found Guilty?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 10:21:26 AM
Get ready to be WOWED by Baez's cross ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
Sims lent her her celly and she is hitting up Tony?

There have been many times we've thought she was doing something she shouldn't be but with all that crap piled up on that desk and JP left the room right before... I mean, she was staring at that laptop like she was reading some serious crap and then when she went under the desk looking at or doing who knows what, she was looking around as if to make sure no one was watching her. Seriously...looking to make sure no one was seeing what she was doing while the dang camera is on her!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

She was doing something she's not supposed to!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:22:01 AM
since I am having live feed problems I am adding this that I read at

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1220&start=100

Bill S and KB discussing WHY is Baez questioning this witness...Bill S thought it would be Sims arguing this...says this is DAMNING evidence

Bill S: this defense is schizophrenic

LOL



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
It's funny watching Mr. BuyAzzz write his questions down now for the witness.  Didn't do his homework as usual.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image20-3.png)

and don't forget
"tilt head 20 degrees for best angle"
"no boogies"
"tie straight"
"suck in stomach"
"keep mind on cross - hot fans can wait"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 10:22:31 AM
Anyone have TWITTER comments from people in the court?

Yes..

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony All the jurors in the back row are taking notes.

http://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki (http://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki)




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:22:43 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:23:36 AM
Do we know who the duhfense witnesses are? I can't imagine what they've got that could make the jurors forget about all the forensics and credible witnesses the prosecution has. The thought makes me nervous.

Quote
That game with a head that pops up and ya gotta slam it back down... Bozo's head in there would be perfect! 
LOL yes! Like Whac-A-Mole...but Whac-a-Bozo!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
I guess Bozo could not find a witness to counter the opinion of Karen?

You raise a very good point.  Simms was brought on as she has her "Dr in a Box" where she has foreign Dr's listening to testimony and giving points to question and attack.  I have not seen anything indicating they are using this. 

Dufense has brought the Eikelenbooms from Holland to speak to touch DNA. The other expert that only read things (sorry I cannot remember him from the Frye hearings) that is a scholar rather than a expert to refute Dr Vass, but no one to challenge the hair death bands.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
I never wear shoes around the house, but what is with Casey taking off her shoes?  Hmmmm, remember the crazy lady with the outburst during jury selection, she had her shoes off!  Is Casey trying to show that she has similar problems by taking her shoes off in court, because that is certainly not a "normal" thing to do???  I think this is really odd........


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:24:20 AM
CJBP tells Bozo that they he can state his objections BUT no mini Frye hearing for you  ::monkeydenied::

Bozo still making argument wanting to "voir dire" the witness if they are qualified to be considered an expert  ::insert rolling eyes here::

Just sitting here laughing that bozo does not consider her qualified. An FBI scientist for over 10 years and he does not consider her an expert? I can see why he does not want her testifying, she is all business and very articulate in describing her work.  

Here we go with the goof ball cross.

Must be infuriating to be questioned about your education by a guy who dropped out of the 9th grade. Love ya, Jose. ::boxingbaez::

I would be looking at him like "WTH" during the entire questioning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 10:24:56 AM
whoa, who is that lady standing next to kc talking to her with the big gold bow on a big gold shiny shirt?!  didn't think it was possible for someone in the court room to be dressed worse than ICA! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:25:21 AM
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Kathi Belich and Bill Sheaffer discussing the case live. (Just went to commercial that is blacked out.)
thank you brandi! it's working great. just got on ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Cindy and George are here, I don't see Lee yet.
18 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Baez is now questioning the witness, Objection, side bar.
20 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony All the jurors in the back row are taking notes.
23 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Hairs in brush and sample Q 12 were consistant with Caylee, 99 is consistant to be of decomp (cont) http://tl.gd/at5ckj
25 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Exhibit 99 has characteristics of decomp, light to medium brown , 9 inches long.
29 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Some of the items had human hair, one hair had symptons of decomp out of 11.
30 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Hair samples of Cindy, George and a hair brush of Caylee's are submitted into evidence.
32 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Ashton looks ready and pumped for today's testimonies.
35 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony A whole stack of evidence envelopes, must be the hair samples, Karen is confirming them to be submitted into evidence.
36 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony This witness testimoney is very important for the state's case.
43 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Poster is showing different roots of hair banding, in different stages of decomp and normal hair.
48 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony State is showing an educational poster that is used in the study of hair banding forensics.
53 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Karen is explaining the procedures , reports and studies done on post mordum hair banding.
55 minutes ago

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
 by orlandomicki
Did you know that the prosecutor up now, Jeff Ashton, was the first to ever get DNA used in a US court? #caseyanthony #caseyanthonytrial
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Casey is paying attention too, like she finds this interesting.
58 minutes ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony All the jurors are watching her as she makes eye contact with them.
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony State is now questioning, witness is explaining procedures and is addressing the jury as she does.
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Baez continues his questioning on Karen's experience in this field of hair forensics.
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony 6 jurors are taking notes , Baez was doing cross said one statement, Judge Perry calls for side bar.
1 hour ago

OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
 by orlandomicki
Karen Korsberg Lowe is expected to discuss the hairs found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car #caseyanthonytrial
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Jury is seated. First witness takes the stand, Karen, from FBI lab, now her experience in the field of forensics.
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
@
@CIV_is_ME jury is not seating yet
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
#Caseyanthony Gallery is full this Saturday, all kinds of caution signs and ropes on balcony, so spectators do not fall out of thier seats.
1 hour ago

orlandomicki micki
@
@CIV_is_ME good morning
1 hour ago
https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki (https://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:26:20 AM
I can't even watch. I have to mute when Bozo's on

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sometimes I can't take it either. We need a little game to play during times like these...something like this  ::boxingbaez:: A punch bozo in the head game. What fun huh?

That game with a head that pops up and ya gotta slam it back down... Bozo's head in there would be perfect! 



the Whack a Mole too funny ..........what would we call it?  Whack A Donkey? (or A**)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:26:30 AM
I never wear shoes around the house, but what is with Casey taking off her shoes?  Hmmmm, remember the crazy lady with the outburst during jury selection, she had her shoes off!  Is Casey trying to show that she has similar problems by taking her shoes off in court, because that is certainly not a "normal" thing to do???  I think this is really odd........

I would take my shoes off too, cause I hate shoes and I only wear them when I have to have to go out of the house.  Even if I am in my yard, I wear bootie socks with no shoes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
Do we know who the duhfense witnesses are? I can't imagine what they've got that could make the jurors forget about all the forensics and credible witnesses the prosecution has. The thought makes me nervous.

Quote
That game with a head that pops up and ya gotta slam it back down... Bozo's head in there would be perfect! 
LOL yes! Like Whac-A-Mole...but Whac-a-Bozo!

LOL! Oh that would be so much fun! Any monkeys know how to make that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:27:07 AM
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Kathi Belich and Bill Sheaffer discussing the case live. (Just went to commercial that is blacked out.)

Bill S. saying the duhfense is IMPLODING and has been imploding since George testified after their opening statement.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 10:27:07 AM
That's some 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:27:38 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki (http://twitter.com/#!/orlandomicki)

Hairs in brush and sample Q 12 were consistant with Caylee, 99 is consistant to be of decomp matched Caylee , hair was preserved.

#Caseyanthony All the jurors in the back row are taking notes.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:28:02 AM
While we are waiting for them to get back.  Did you guys see this stampede the other day?  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28079449/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:28:17 AM
Here comes Baez with an armload of paperwork.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 10:28:36 AM
Hmm..the A's walked in right behind Bozo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:28:39 AM
I think Baez was talking to the A's GA and CA came right behind them walking back in the courtroom


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
Judge went to get info.  He'll slam Bozo with his own reference material.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:29:30 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Great capture!

Right before she did that, she was looking at the laptop reading, and then she slipped down like she was doing something under that desk, looking around as if she was worried someone would see what she's doing.
Texting on Jose's phone?

I hope they didn't leave their checkbooks or credit cards on the desk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
Bobo getting on the job training now from JP. Bobo tying to argue it, JP asking where is Mr. Ashton?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:30:06 AM

Quote
That game with a head that pops up and ya gotta slam it back down... Bozo's head in there would be perfect! 
LOL yes! Like Whac-A-Mole...but Whac-a-Bozo!

That's it!  Thanks!  We need one.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
I think Baez was talking to the A's GA and CA came right behind them walking back in the courtroom

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:30:14 AM
Bozo making an argument before the court


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 10:30:18 AM
Where did Baez go?
To get a redbull?

or change his underwear ::MonkeyRoll::  sorry Klaas

Early in the case I friend-ed JB on facebook....one time he mentioned his hobby and 'legal career focus' was forensics. As a DP attorney he felt being a forensics expert would be key in his success....and the sad part is he was frigging SERIOUS ....OMG!!!  he is like KC he believes his own fantasies


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:30:19 AM
Judge P appears agitated by Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 10:30:41 AM
Good grief, why does Judge Perry have to tell Baez how to introduce evidence or how to question a witness. Why am I thinking that if Baez knew how to do his job that there would be 60% less side bars. Good grief.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 10:30:53 AM
I never wear shoes around the house, but what is with Casey taking off her shoes?  Hmmmm, remember the crazy lady with the outburst during jury selection, she had her shoes off!  Is Casey trying to show that she has similar problems by taking her shoes off in court, because that is certainly not a "normal" thing to do???  I think this is really odd........

I would take my shoes off too, cause I hate shoes and I only wear them when I have to have to go out of the house.  Even if I am in my yard, I wear bootie socks with no shoes.

BUT, in court, when charged with murder of your child????????????????  Completely inappropriate.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:31:01 AM
Bobo citing case law (this is a red banner moment), did not give a copy to Jeff though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Bobo getting on the job training now from JP. Bobo tying to argue it, JP asking where is Mr. Ashton?

This is just insane.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:31:37 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html

Kathi Belich and Bill Sheaffer discussing the case live. (Just went to commercial that is blacked out.)

Bill S. saying the duhfense is IMPLODING and has been imploding since George testified after their opening statement.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Western Observr on June 04, 2011, 10:31:53 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
Judge P appears agitated by Bozo

Way

Bozo reading opinion of Justice Scalia of the US Supreme Court


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:32:17 AM
While we are waiting for them to get back.  Did you guys see this stampede the other day?  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28079449/index.html

Funniest was the one in a wheelchair speeding for a spot, and the guy in a neck brace.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 10:32:24 AM
While we are waiting for them to get back.  Did you guys see this stampede the other day?  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28079449/index.html

WOW. My boyfriend and I are arguing about how this case will go down in history.  I say that when we look back, it will referred to like the OJ case is, and he says no, because the OJ case was broadcasted on every news station.  I have to admit, I guess, I do have friends who know little to nothing about this case and dare I say that they think KC may be innocent! I change the subject quickly because I don't have the time or patience to break it down for them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:32:29 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

Evidently


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
uhh...Bozo is an idiot. And he says NUKE-ULAR. It's NUCLEAR.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:32:59 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

He is looking at his phone at the podium!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
JP to Bobo "unless you were somewhere else than where I was...."   ::MonkeyHaHa::    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:33:13 AM
Is bozo stupid? He is making the state's case on microscopic hair analysis. He had NO IDEA what he is reading.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:33:23 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image24-4.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:34:08 AM
JP educating Baez what the testimony has been. Geez........


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:34:34 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

To be technical, the witness said that it is "apparent" from a dead body. That while they haven't seen it from anything other than deceased bodies, they cannot conclusively say it was "only" from a dead body. Why Baez didn't jump all over that, I do not know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:34:47 AM
CJBP is explaining to the @$$hat what the expert witness testified to

CJBP is telling him to first find out if the expert witness recognizes something

O holy moley...CJBP was upset because Bozo was reading from something & didnt even have the document with him


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
While we are waiting for them to get back.  Did you guys see this stampede the other day?  ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28079449/index.html

WOW. My boyfriend and I are arguing about how this case will go down in history.  I say that when we look back, it will referred to like the OJ case is, and he says no, because the OJ case was broadcasted on every news station.  I have to admit, I guess, I do have friends who know little to nothing about this case and dare I say that they think KC may be innocent! I change the subject quickly because I don't have the time or patience to break it down for them.
It will go down in history as a study for law schools.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
Had to leave for a moment...Is Karen Lowe still a great witness for Caylee?  I am getting the impression that Baez is trying to impugn her abilities....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:34:57 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)

Forensics professor here counseling state just told me this is the forensic case of the decade. He says this case is making history.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:35:04 AM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13

Forensics professor here counseling state just told me this is the forensic case of the decade. He says this case is making history.

http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
I am laughing so hard I just woke up my 9-month old. Does Bozo even know what he's doing?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:35:15 AM
I see magpie... so will be looking foward to her report tonight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 10:35:24 AM
it is so misleading when Baez says things about the last witnesses' "lack of science" makes me angry! ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Western Observr on June 04, 2011, 10:35:29 AM
Judge Perry is being as tolerant as he can be, but how many times does he have to explain what witnesses actually said as opposed to what Bozo thinks they said...
Now Bozo is trying to lecture Judge P as to what questioning is appropriate, and reading from documents that haven't been introduced...aaaagh
Judge is calling Karen Lowe (FBI)back so he can rub Bozo's nose in it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:35:56 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image24-4.png)
Thanks Brandi.  What could be so important in his life that he is constantly hold that cell, even when addressing the Judge?  I really think someone is coaching him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 10:36:05 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Forensics professor here counseling state just told me this is the forensic case of the decade. He says this case is making history.
4 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:36:16 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is.  

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

Geraldo most likely has his researchers doing the research for the "bumbling bozo."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:37:00 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/cfnews13/news-13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13   
Forensics professor here counseling state just told me this is the forensic case of the decade. He says this case is making history.
did I do this right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 04, 2011, 10:37:14 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:37:21 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image24-4.png)
Oh, is that Simm's medic in a box, or whatever she calls it??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:37:52 AM
I never wear shoes around the house, but what is with Casey taking off her shoes?  Hmmmm, remember the crazy lady with the outburst during jury selection, she had her shoes off!  Is Casey trying to show that she has similar problems by taking her shoes off in court, because that is certainly not a "normal" thing to do???  I think this is really odd........

I would take my shoes off too, cause I hate shoes and I only wear them when I have to have to go out of the house.  Even if I am in my yard, I wear bootie socks with no shoes.

BUT, in court, when charged with murder of your child????????????????  Completely inappropriate.....

I don't think the jury can see she has her shoes off or the judge, but who knows.  She's a brat and thinks she can do no wrong.  I jsut hope her feet don't stink.  What kind of shoes does she have on, I guess what I mean is what does the jail issue?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:38:10 AM
I don't understand why Bozo can do this? He had THREE YEARS! Why does Judge Perry allow this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Western Observr on June 04, 2011, 10:38:24 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

To be technical, the witness said that it is "apparent" from a dead body. That while they haven't seen it from anything other than deceased bodies, they cannot conclusively say it was "only" from a dead body. Why Baez didn't jump all over that, I do not know.

That is the terminology they use (apparent) they do not say 100%.  But, she did say it has never been found anywhere else other than in a  hair from dead bodies...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)

Forensics professor here counseling state just told me this is the forensic case of the decade. He says this case is making history.



Made history in Florida


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:38:34 AM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.
Yes she has and she is a fool. Nothing she says has merit.  All reasonable doubt, which does her no good at this point and time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:39:14 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel::
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I can see Bozo isnt disappointing us  ::MonkeyTongue:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:39:23 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image27-7.png)

I think she is preparing her defense.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

She most likely ripped off someone's phone.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:39:55 AM
Hold on while I TWEET


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:40:05 AM
I swear I think she is texting.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:40:14 AM
What is Baez scrolling though??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:40:19 AM
turned my sound off... I cannot listen to him... or I may puke... so I will just read what happends next... ughhhhhhh he is painful to listen to! and why is mason there  if he is just going to siton his hemroids... is simms even there? what a joke this defense team is!!
Lord I hope June 17th isn't  a mirage. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:41:00 AM
I don't understand why Bozo can do this? He had THREE YEARS! Why does Judge Perry allow this?

I wish I could ask JP that.

 :gaah:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:41:13 AM
But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

To be technical, the witness said that it is "apparent" from a dead body. That while they haven't seen it from anything other than deceased bodies, they cannot conclusively say it was "only" from a dead body. Why Baez didn't jump all over that, I do not know.

That is the terminology they use (apparent) they do not say 100%.  But, she did say it has never been found anywhere else other than in a  hair from dead bodies...
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That's what I just said. :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

She most likely ripped off someone's phone.
lol turbo! or credit card information.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
Bozo you are so over your head. You can't even get the words out correctly


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
PLEASE SOMEBODY TELL ME Bozo is NOT texting / googling / getting answers from his phone while cross examining the witness. Please tell me he can't do that. PLEASE reassure me that the jury will think he's as much of a &%#^% as I do


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 10:41:41 AM
I swear I think she is texting.
"Tony! I miss you!  When you get up on the stand again, leave out the part where I would wake up from nightmares sweating in your bed, OK?" ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 10:41:42 AM
Baez painting himself into a corner here.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:41:44 AM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

I bet you're right!  It burns me up that altho LKB left the defense team, she's making the talk show circuit as if she is their offical spokesperson.   ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:42:02 AM
I swear I think she is texting.

she's ran out of men in florida for sexting so texting it is!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
And so what if a case was overturned due to an ex agent's testimony...what does that have to do with the scientific evidence in this case

CJBP  "I am not going to hear any testimony regarding any other case, we are not going to try another case in this court room, dont even go there"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 10:42:21 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::  CJBP


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
I swear I think she is texting.

Me too. She's doing something she is not supposed to be doing.

BAILIFF!!! SOMEONE!!! What's she doing behind all that crap in her short chair??!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 10:42:24 AM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

JBP tells Jose "Don't even go there!" ::monkeydenied:: ::monkeydenied:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Judge is about to blow a gasket


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:42:40 AM
Betcha KC is texting mom... I am sorry..help me.... too bad, so sad


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:42:55 AM
PLEASE SOMEBODY TELL ME Bozo is NOT texting / googling / getting answers from his phone while cross examining the witness. Please tell me he can't do that. PLEASE reassure me that the jury will think he's as much of a &%#^% as I do
The jury hasn't been brought back yet.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Baez painting himself into a corner here.

And CJBP put the cap on his head too


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:43:04 AM
The jury's not in the room right now, correct?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: iowagirl on June 04, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
 ::boxingbaez::

We need one of these with the Judge's head beating up Baez.

He's totally getting schooled by the judge.. and I luff it!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::  CJBP
::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:43:14 AM

 

Judge Perry to Baez: "don't even go there" ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
Perry to Baez: "Do not even go there."

How many times has he said that to him so far?

50?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 04, 2011, 10:43:41 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image27-7.png)

I think she is preparing her defense.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:44:01 AM
I swear I think she is texting.
"Tony! I miss you!  When you get up on the stand again, leave out the part where I would wake up from nightmares sweating in your bed, OK?" ::piggy::

  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 04, 2011, 10:44:29 AM
I swear I think she is texting.


 Sure seems like it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 10:44:44 AM
Is bozo stupid? He is making the state's case on microscopic hair analysis. He had NO IDEA what he is reading.

Answer to your question:  HELL YES!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:44:46 AM
Oh wow! The poor jury....Bozo is such a time waster. His arguments have little to nothing to do with anything.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:45:34 AM
Casey Anthony News13

Jury is not present. Baez questioning Expert witness Lowe.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:45:37 AM
It's like watching an idiot argue with a brain surgeon. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:45:49 AM
LMAOOOOOO


Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 10:45:49 AM
Baez being ripped a new one by Judge Perry again. Perry says, don't even go there ... you will not try another case within this case in my Court room.

Can some one please check as to whether it really says Jose Baez on his law licence. Unbelievable that any atty would think this would be allowed. Baez is overmatched by the knowledge of this witness. All Baez has is smoke and mirrors to attempt to discredit.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:46:03 AM
I hope it is not lost on the jury (when they return) that Baez on one hand says George put Caylee in the car, yet is arguing whether Caylee was ever in the car. He argues every single thing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: iowagirl on June 04, 2011, 10:46:19 AM
Cross examination AGRESS with the witness not objects; it not relevant to impeach
  ::MonkeyDevil::
NICE ONE BAEZ!


"If he wants to bolster her testimony I'll let him do it... "  Judge


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:46:50 AM
JA snapped at Baez..."IF I COULD FINISH!" lol. GO JEFF!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:46:53 AM
Bozo is pissed


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 10:47:23 AM
Cross examination AGRESS with the witness not objects; it not relevant to impeach
  ::MonkeyDevil::
NICE ONE BAEZ!


"If he wants to bolster her testimony I'll let him do it... "  Judge
I knew he was working for the prosecution secretly! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
Ashton: The proffer offrred the court does not impeach the testimony of this witness, but agree with it, therefore it's bolstering."

Ashton to Baez and the court when Baez interrupted: "Let me finish!"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 10:47:52 AM
JA snapped at Baez..."IF I COULD FINISH!" lol. GO JEFF!
::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
I personally dont think Bobo is trying to go for a mistrial.. he is just stupid and egotistical


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:48:05 AM
Ashton you go, too funny

Bozo bolstering the State's expert witness' testimony

CJBP  "I believe Mr. Baez heard me"

OMG there it is Bozo mentioned the Menendez case, I knew it!!!!!!    IMHO, hearing that ...The sexual abuse allegations therefore a total and complete lie


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:48:09 AM
That is what you get for allowing her murderer to prepare your defense!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
Menendez case, what is Baez using it for?  He read about it in People magazine once and thought, hey, this'll make me look like a real lawyer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:48:30 AM
JA snapped at Baez..."IF I COULD FINISH!" lol. GO JEFF!
::justice2NJ::

And the judge did not admonish him either


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
Baez is just like KC. The more JP lets him get away with, the more he tries to get away with. I really wish he wouldn't get away with so much. Is it that JP just wants to try to get this trial over?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tevye on June 04, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
It's funny watching Mr. BuyAzzz write his questions down now for the witness.  Didn't do his homework as usual.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image20-3.png)

and don't forget
"tilt head 20 degrees for best angle"
"no boogies"
"tie straight"
"suck in stomach"
"keep mind on cross - hot fans can wait"
OMG, I can't believe I'm saying something positive for the defense...but...a decent (notice I can't say "good"!) lawyer listens to the witness, then picks out things they want to "pick on".

Or, Bozo could just be playing "Hangman"!  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
Oh wow! The poor jury....Bozo is such a time waster. His arguments have little to nothing to do with anything.
Jury was not in


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:49:21 AM
The jury's not in the room right now, correct?
::MonkeyHaHa:: I was thinking the same thing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:49:22 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
Judge is about to blow a gasket

Ya....jose will never learn.  Does bjose have a learning disability?
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 10:49:26 AM
JA snapped at Baez..."IF I COULD FINISH!" lol. GO JEFF!

 ::MonkeyDance::  Get him Jeff!!   ::boxingbaez::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 10:49:34 AM
Jury coming in. Let's see what brand of fool Baez chooses to be in front of them............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:49:41 AM
Jeff is angry. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

She most likely ripped off someone's phone.

Calling all her Imaginary friends..... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: scrappysniffer on June 04, 2011, 10:50:30 AM
Casey had a black binder in her lap. She just closed it and put it on the desk.

In the past hearings and at jury selection, Casey wore black ballet type shoes with white socks.  I often wondered if the socks would make the shoes to tight but because it is 'cold' in the room she wear socks.  At one point in the past, JB, made a comment that Casey's feet swelled from sitting so long.  That is what I saw and remembered.

Oh, Good morning every one!  Thank you for all the updates and info!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:50:57 AM
Ashton: The proffer offrred the court does not impeach the testimony of this witness, but agree with it, therefore it's bolstering."

Ashton to Baez and the court when Baez interrupted: "Let me finish!"

Bozo is so far removed from what she is talking about he is actually making the state's case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 10:51:16 AM
Quote
Jury was not in
Oh no I totally got that; I just feel bad that a good portion of their court day is spent in sidebar/recess thanks to Baez


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
I said it the other day and I'll say it again, the defense has done an awesome job of prosecuting this case.  The state has done a good job too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
Judge is about to blow a gasket

Ya....jose will never learn.  Does bjose have a learning disability?
 ::MonkeyBike::



yes, it's called "I've had a Lobotomy" judge


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 10:51:32 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

 ::MonkeyEek::

OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Baez is using his phone while questioning Lowe

http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
I read on someones twitter yesterday, Kathi B's I think.. that Bobo was texting someone from PEOPLE mag yesterday from the defense table. How is that even allowed or ethical?? Especially during a capital trial??  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:52:57 AM
Baez is just like KC. The more JP lets him get away with, the more he tries to get away with. I really wish he wouldn't get away with so much. Is it that JP just wants to try to get this trial over?

I suspect that is why... he just keeps pushing. But you know...I think if he got in trouble it wouldn't stop or teach him a thing...he'll just keep pushing it. He's a very sick goober.

I hope we get to see him and only him get in big trouble with JP just one cotton pickin time though. Just for our enjoyment! Just one time! Lol.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 10:52:59 AM
NU-CL-EAR DNA Homer Simpson, not NU-CU-LAR  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:53:13 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

 ::MonkeyEek::

OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Baez is using his phone while questioning Lowe

http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony)

Is that legal?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 10:53:19 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:53:28 AM
Jeff is angry.  

He should be - Bozo is making a mockery of this court proceeding. Now bozo is arguing with the judge.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 10:53:51 AM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

 ::MonkeyEek::

OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Baez is using his phone while questioning Lowe

http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony)
That is so sad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:54:03 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well.  

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?

I hope the jury picks up on this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
Baez is just like KC. The more JP lets him get away with, the more he tries to get away with. I really wish he wouldn't get away with so much. Is it that JP just wants to try to get this trial over?

I suspect that is why... he just keeps pushing. But you know...I think if he got in trouble it wouldn't stop or teach him a thing...he'll just keep pushing it. He's a very sick goober.

I hope we get to see him and only him get in big trouble with JP just one cotton pickin time though. Just for our enjoyment! Just one time! Lol.

Me, too! Contempt of Court PLEASE! At least once!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:54:51 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?

He is trying to keep a dead Caylee out of HER CAR.  IMO, of course.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:55:13 AM
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:31 am
someone send a TWEET to those people that are tweeting to let them know casey has been typing on laptop & reading too!

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1220&start=150


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:55:37 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?

Exactly what I was wondering!? Arguing everything just to try to confuse the jury, methinks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:55:48 AM
Here he goes trying to discredit the witness

Her answer specifies her expertise so whether she knows how hair grows blah blah blah is NOT relevant to what she is testifying to as a result of her expertise.

If you cant attack the evidence, attack the witness...the jury has had to take note that this is ALL the defense has done thus far in this case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 10:55:56 AM
I personally dont think Bobo is trying to go for a mistrial.. he is just stupid and egotistical

I agree.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:56:10 AM
NU-CL-EAR DNA Homer Simpson, not NU-CU-LAR  ::boxingbaez::

A HUGE pet peeve of mine..Like nails on a chalkboard.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 04, 2011, 10:56:20 AM
Bozo's next career, a Hoilday Inn commercial I'm a lawyer, I slept in a Holiday Inn last night.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:56:38 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?

He is trying to keep a dead Caylee out of HER CAR.  IMO, of course.

But he's also saying George had the car!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 10:56:45 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: iowagirl on June 04, 2011, 10:57:14 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I actually feel sorry for Casey for having such an inept lawyer.  At least Scott Petersen had Geragos who knows his stuff.. well.. at least for the most part. lol

My question.. is this ineptness a game to get ineffective counsel? I know there are eleven attorneys.. but still.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 10:57:46 AM
Andddddddddddd   where is jose ::MonkeyJnBox:: going with this?

To TRY and trip this witness up? Not going to happen...
 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:57:58 AM
NU-CL-EAR DNA Homer Simpson, not NU-CU-LAR  ::boxingbaez::

A HUGE pet peeve of mine..Like nails on a chalkboard.

oh my gosh me too!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 10:58:06 AM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

Why is he even fighting this if the defense is Caylee died on June 16th?

He is trying to keep a dead Caylee out of HER CAR.  IMO, of course.

But he's also saying George had the car!

Yeah, but he left the car totally out of his opening.  He also said that somehow Kronk stole Caylee, so how did he get her.  From his OS, the transfer of Caylee was not explained, how Kronk got her, did george bring her to him, etc. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
will he suceed in inpeaching this witness???? ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
Here he goes trying to discredit the witness

Her answer specifies her expertise so whether she knows how hair grows blah blah blah is NOT relevant to what she is testifying to as a result of her expertise.

If you cant attack the evidence, attack the witness...the jury has had to take note that this is ALL the defense has done thus far in this case.

JA will fix whatever confusion he actually accomplishes. IF he actually creates any. Karen is nailing his butt to the wall and so easy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 10:58:28 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

They can't say why all hairs don't show it. Not all hairs show it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 10:58:42 AM
According to my records, Karen Lowe is the State's #34th witness. I think Linda said they would call 47 or 49 and be done at the end of next week.

Looks like they are right on schedule to me, even if they spend all day with Karen Lowe.

I am willing to bet this case will be over in the 8 weeks that Judge Perry has scheduled for it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I actually feel sorry for Casey for having such an inept lawyer.  At least Scott Petersen had Geragos who knows his stuff.. well.. at least for the most part. lol

My question.. is this ineptness a game to get ineffective counsel? I know there are eleven attorneys.. but still.

I want to know why she hasn't fired him?  I think it's because he knows how to play to her "ego"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 11:00:23 AM
According to my records, Karen Lowe is the State's #34th witness. I think Linda said they would call 47 or 49 and be done at the end of next week.

Looks like they are right on schedule to me, even if they spend all day with Karen Lowe.

I am willing to bet this case will be over in the 8 weeks that Judge Perry has scheduled for it.

That means 6 more weeks of hearing his disgusting voice and seeing his fugly face.  I cannot wait until he is gone and KC is in the pokey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:01:13 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I actually feel sorry for Casey for having such an inept lawyer.  At least Scott Petersen had Geragos who knows his stuff.. well.. at least for the most part. lol

My question.. is this ineptness a game to get ineffective counsel? I know there are eleven attorneys.. but still.

I want to know why she hasn't fired him?  I think it's because he knows how to play to her "ego"

I hate to say this, but she could probably represent herself better! I suspect she's done more research than he has. Just saying.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 04, 2011, 11:01:16 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 04, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I actually feel sorry for Casey for having such an inept lawyer.  At least Scott Petersen had Geragos who knows his stuff.. well.. at least for the most part. lol

My question.. is this ineptness a game to get ineffective counsel? I know there are eleven attorneys.. but still.

I want to know why she hasn't fired him?  I think it's because he knows how to play to her "ego"
::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:01:49 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

They can't say why all hairs don't show it. Not all hairs show it.

Exactly. And this one showed it ...because the car smelled like decomp and Caylee was missing and her mother was lying about where she was and they found Caylee down the road from her house in her old pet cemetery and....

...came from a poor dead Caylee baby. By the time JA finishes, the jury will get it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 11:01:49 AM
According to my records, Karen Lowe is the State's #34th witness. I think Linda said they would call 47 or 49 and be done at the end of next week.

Looks like they are right on schedule to me, even if they spend all day with Karen Lowe.

I am willing to bet this case will be over in the 8 weeks that Judge Perry has scheduled for it.

That means 6 more weeks of hearing his disgusting voice and seeing his fugly face.  I cannot wait until he is gone and KC is in the pokey.

those inmates will chew her up & spit her out!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:02:10 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

My guess would be that the hair samples from the duct tape were so disintegrated the banding would be long gone. I am guessing that banding is only specific to a certain length of time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 11:02:22 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel


...and whether that would be granted remains to be seen.

(Personally, I doubt it would.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 11:03:26 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

My guess would be that the hair samples from the duct tape were so disintegrated the banding would be long gone. I am guessing that banding is only specific to a certain length of time.

Makes sense thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/THEAHAMOMENT.jpg)
how many lawyers does it take to try a case? ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:03:40 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I actually feel sorry for Casey for having such an inept lawyer.  At least Scott Petersen had Geragos who knows his stuff.. well.. at least for the most part. lol

My question.. is this ineptness a game to get ineffective counsel? I know there are eleven attorneys.. but still.
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Casey knows what is going on around her, she has been asked several times if she was satisfied with her counsel.   Mark Geragos made a fool of himself in the Scott Peterson case in many ways, so I wouldnt use that as a measure.   This trial is not a game & Bozo's ego is too large to be willing to make a fool of himself...he just is a fool and he didnt receive that memo.

Again, IMHO I do not feel ineffective counsel will fly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:03:45 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

They can't say why all hairs don't show it. Not all hairs show it.

Exactly. And this one showed it ...because the car smelled like decomp and Caylee was missing and her mother was lying about where she was and they found Caylee down the road from her house in her old pet cemetery and....

...came from a poor dead Caylee baby. By the time JA finishes, the jury will get it.


Right. That's why Baez is wasting time, methinks. To try to prolong the "coming together" of the evidence. Hoping they won't put it together. But methinks they will. Just wait for the MDNA evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 11:03:47 AM
 Who vacuum the car? Cindy?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 11:04:32 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe asked for a vacuum sample of car for more hairs. She says more hair would have made her case stronger. She only has one.
2 minutes ago
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Baez: you had doubts? Lowe: No
4 minutes ago
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Lowe looks at jury when she answers both state and defense questions.
4 minutes ago
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Baez trying to prove nothing is definite in hair sampling. Lowe seems to agree. No certainty. But characteristics are present.
6 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
According to my records, Karen Lowe is the State's #34th witness. I think Linda said they would call 47 or 49 and be done at the end of next week.

Looks like they are right on schedule to me, even if they spend all day with Karen Lowe.

I am willing to bet this case will be over in the 8 weeks that Judge Perry has scheduled for it.

That means 6 more weeks of hearing his disgusting voice and seeing his fugly face.  I cannot wait until he is gone and KC is in the pokey.

those inmates will chew her up & spit her out!

I'd pay a lot of money to see that!   ::boxingcasey::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:05:16 AM
Good morning monkey friends! Forgot to logoff last night, fell asleep with my phone in my hand! Thanks to everyone for posting everything play by play as I woke up to Spongebob & son refuses to turn it off! I don't like watching the trial in front of him bc he's only 9. Magic, you document everything so eloquently, Trimm you never miss adding the interesting links, Brandi your screen caps fill in so much of the bigger picture, Gypsy & Turbo I love the insight & technical / medical info you share as I have the same mind & past education, Cappy well you know us Jersey Gals say it like it is so thanks for keeping it real & not being afraid to say the same sarcastic things I'm thinking - not leaving anyone out intentionally.

Now, something I'm thinking about is Dr. Henry Lee. Did Dr, Jan Garavaglia ever work with him or assist him in the past, prior to Caylee's death?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:05:32 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel

I was listening to the talking heads on TV who were attorneys and all of them said that would be her last resort for an appeal because of the number of the other attorneys. They all agreed bozo was is doing a terrible job, but because the judge has asked her on more than one occasion on the record if she was satisfied with her counsel this would never work in an appeals court.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
I'd bet money that Perry files a bar complaint against bozo when this is over.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:07:23 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

They can't say why all hairs don't show it. Not all hairs show it.

Exactly. And this one showed it ...because the car smelled like decomp and Caylee was missing and her mother was lying about where she was and they found Caylee down the road from her house in her old pet cemetery and....

...came from a poor dead Caylee baby. By the time JA finishes, the jury will get it.


Right. That's why Baez is wasting time, methinks. To try to prolong the "coming together" of the evidence. Hoping they won't put it together. But methinks they will. Just wait for the MDNA evidence.

With his sick grandiose-ness...he'll walk away thinking , and feels that way presently, he is/was the most brilliant cunning person in the room. How his head fits through those double doors in that court room beats me.

Ohhhh we need a whack a bozo game. LOL!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 11:07:47 AM
I'd bet money that Perry files a bar complaint against bozo when this is over.   ::rhino::

I hope so! He is really, really bad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: karenmamo on June 04, 2011, 11:07:58 AM
Baez is trying to try his case.
He is trying our patience. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
What was the case we had this same issue, only "1" hair?  Peterson case??

At the end, of whatever trial it was, the jurors said the "1" hair wasn't that important to them. If I remember correctly...

Maybe some of the jurors in totmom's trial WILL remember that.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
All the witness means is the hair was from Caylee, was decomposed.. however it was not attached



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:09:27 AM
 WOW, the look that this witness just gave Baez before she took her drink of water was utter disdain. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He may be checking out SM for any help in understanding what she's talking about.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
I'd bet money that Perry files a bar complaint against bozo when this is over.   ::rhino::

I think that is why he wants so much of it made part of the record when it seems there is no point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
Even the witness corrected Bozo!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe asked for a vacuum sample of car for more hairs. She says more hair would have made her case stronger. She only has one.
2 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez: you had doubts? Lowe: No
4 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe looks at jury when she answers both state and defense questions.4 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez trying to prove nothing is definite in hair sampling. Lowe seems to agree. No certainty. But characteristics are present.
6 minutes ago
BBM, she looks at the jury when it bolsters the State's case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:11:19 AM
Ashton asked if the State could stipulate (I believe he wanted to simply stipulate that there was only one hair showing decomposition) but Baez said, "We're almost done" and the judge let Baez go on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 11:11:49 AM
Hopefully in redirect the prosecution will ask Lowe, is it possible that there were hairs in the trunk that could have been from Caylee in the trunk of both when she was alive and dead.

baez is trying to say that a hair that shows decomp may not actually be one.

Um, there can be both. Hairs could have been in the trunk from a blanket when she was still alive and when Caylee was put in trunk, post mortum.

Prosecutors will redirect and dispute baez's nonsense and muddling of what was his cross.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:12:09 AM
Good morning monkey friends! Forgot to logoff last night, fell asleep with my phone in my hand! Thanks to everyone for posting everything play by play as I woke up to Spongebob & son refuses to turn it off! I don't like watching the trial in front of him bc he's only 9. Magic, you document everything so eloquently, Trimm you never miss adding the interesting links, Brandi your screen caps fill in so much of the bigger picture, Gypsy & Turbo I love the insight & technical / medical info you share as I have the same mind & past education, Cappy well you know us Jersey Gals say it like it is so thanks for keeping it real & not being afraid to say the same sarcastic things I'm thinking - not leaving anyone out intentionally.

Now, something I'm thinking about is Dr. Henry Lee. Did Dr, Jan Garavaglia ever work with him or assist him in the past, prior to Caylee's death?
::MonkeyWink::
Not to my knowledge they havent, a quick look into doesnt seem to indicate it either.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:12:10 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.
Trying to make sure he would get his infotainment fee is more like it. This dirtbag is already cashing in...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/bozothinking.png)

worried hmmmm??

Wow, I wonder how much APPLE likes their trademarked "apple" getting free publicity by sitting in front of AND being utilized by an ACCUSED MURDERER... Just sayin... As much as I love Mac products, it sorta makes me consider Dell or HP. Even on iCarly they placed a PEAR on the laptops. Just sayin...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4myjoey on June 04, 2011, 11:12:57 AM
Is LKB telling baez what to ask via the phone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

My guess would be that the hair samples from the duct tape were so disintegrated the banding would be long gone. I am guessing that banding is only specific to a certain length of time.

From what I gather, not all post mortem hair shows the decomp banding. Finding it is fairly rare. On the other hand, hair with that type of banding has never been found from a live person's hair, so far. And it hasn't been replicated by other means although some tests may have partially mimiced the banding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
my point is this ms. Lowe
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/letmeeducateyou.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
It is so obvious to me that ALL of his questions were written by Sims for him.   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


Most likely yes.  The hair found on the duct tape did not have a death band & we will hear from Dr G why she felt it was placed there prior to death


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:14:16 AM
From her statement she evidently also did her testing on the hair from the remains. I think that needs to be brought into evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
Is LKB telling baez what to ask via the phone?

Who is that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:16:04 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

My guess would be that the hair samples from the duct tape were so disintegrated the banding would be long gone. I am guessing that banding is only specific to a certain length of time.

From what I gather, not all post mortem hair shows the decomp banding. Finding it is fairly rare. On the other hand, hair with that type of banding has never been found from a live person's hair, so far. And it hasn't been replicated by other means although some tests may have partially mimiced the banding.

Well said, Scatty! That's exactly what I understood, as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
What was the case we had this same issue, only "1" hair?  Peterson case??

At the end, of whatever trial it was, the jurors said the "1" hair wasn't that important to them. If I remember correctly...

Maybe some of the jurors in totmom's trial WILL remember that.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Yes, Peterson


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Ashton looking over Baez shoulder to confirm what Baez is asking witness. Focus on items taken from car.
6 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez going over every time Lowe was given more items from Casey's car and home. Examined hairs. No signs of decomposition.
8 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe says no other hairs examined from car show signs of decomposition.
10 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
2 jurors are taking notes. Looking at witness and Baez.
11 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 11:16:25 AM
It's time for another smack down!  (http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/olivegirl/Casey/Casey%20Comics/judgespanks.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


While at sidebar and it is case related (yesterday anyway):

Hi Star! Is that a question or a statement? I was looking for something on that last night and couldn't find a link. If you have one, I'd like to have it. TIA!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 11:17:03 AM
From her statement she evidently also did her testing on the hair from the remains. I think that needs to be brought into evidence.
I agree


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
 ::boxingbaez::

 ::boxingbaez::

Playing punch a bozo... and poking him in the eyes with my mouse pointer too...

 ::MonkeyMad::

anyone remember the tv show Kids in the Hall? We can play "Crushing Bozo's head"!!! Put two fingers over his head and squish him like a bug.

Sigh.

Whack a bozo would be better. With sound effects too. What could he say once you hit him? Stop Jeff, Stop? lol. Have a little Judge Perry whacking him with a gavel in the head saying "OVERRULED!"



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
From her statement she evidently also did her testing on the hair from the remains. I think that needs to be brought into evidence.

I think that will be handled later, and she will be subject to recall.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 11:17:20 AM
Is LKB telling baez what to ask via the phone?

Who is that?
Linda Kenney Baden


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


Most likely yes.  The hair found on the duct tape did not have a death band & we will hear from Dr G why she felt it was placed there prior to death

IMO that will help the decision for Death penalty


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blink34 on June 04, 2011, 11:18:07 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel

I was listening to the talking heads on TV who were attorneys and all of them said that would be her last resort for an appeal because of the number of the other attorneys. They all agreed bozo was is doing a terrible job, but because the judge has asked her on more than one occasion on the record if she was satisfied with her counsel this would never work in an appeals court.

less than 1% of appeals for ineffectiveness of counsel are granted in the US.  Less than that in Florida.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:18:10 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony



Lmao! Hi Wyks! Missed ya!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 11:18:28 AM
Ashton asked if the State could stipulate (I believe he wanted to simply stipulate that there was only one hair showing decomposition) but Baez said, "We're almost done" and the judge let Baez go on.

So much for Baez almost being done. He lied so to continue and now the State is objecting again and now in another side bar. Perry should not give Baez any benefit of the doubt, he is a snake and can't even be trusted when he says he is almost done with a witness.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein

Spectators told me that a fight almost broke out at 530am when 2 women tried to cut in ticket line. Check YouTube for vid.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
I think I figured out why KC let her hair grow........the sample from the trunk with postmortem hair banding analyzed was 9 inches long. She prob thinks the jurors will think it might be KC's hair. BUT, hair expert stated the hair was not consistent with KC's.......Fail


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 11:19:07 AM
Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show. The hair that they found on the skull and on duct tape why did that not have the postmortem banding or did it?

My guess would be that the hair samples from the duct tape were so disintegrated the banding would be long gone. I am guessing that banding is only specific to a certain length of time.

From what I gather, not all post mortem hair shows the decomp banding. Finding it is fairly rare. On the other hand, hair with that type of banding has never been found from a live person's hair, so far. And it hasn't been replicated by other means although some tests may have partially mimiced the banding.

Well said, Scatty! That's exactly what I understood, as well.

Yep thanks...


Kathy B just said they have another witness that has confirmed this was hair from a dead person.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel

I was listening to the talking heads on TV who were attorneys and all of them said that would be her last resort for an appeal because of the number of the other attorneys. They all agreed bozo was is doing a terrible job, but because the judge has asked her on more than one occasion on the record if she was satisfied with her counsel this would never work in an appeals court.

less than 1% of appeals for ineffectiveness of counsel are granted in the US.  Less than that in Florida.

That's a relief!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:20:07 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/0740dontevengotherejb-1-2.jpg)
judge is clearly loosing patience.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: OriginalKat on June 04, 2011, 11:20:08 AM
All the time is taken up with Bozo excusing himself.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 11:20:10 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony
This can't possibly be Yuri.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
Is LKB telling baez what to ask via the phone?

Who is that?

Linda Kenny Baden. She was on the defense team early on for the purpose of forensic science. You may have seen her husband on various News Networks. He's a well known Forensic Physician, often compared to Henry Lee as one of two really Big Guns in the field.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blink34 on June 04, 2011, 11:20:41 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


Most likely yes.  The hair found on the duct tape did not have a death band & we will hear from Dr G why she felt it was placed there prior to death

IMO that will help the decision for Death penalty

Dr. G's report does not state it was placed there PRIOR to death, it states it was placed there prior to decomposition.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:20:51 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony



Lmao! Hi Wyks! Missed ya!

Hi Titch!   ::teddybear::  Good to see ya!  ::bananadance::  Have missed you too! 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:20:55 AM
Quote from: stayhomemommy link=topic=10281.msg1377685#msg1377685
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Yep thanks...


Kathy B just said they have another witness that has confirmed this was hair from a dead person.

West, thanks! That is GREAT to hear!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: OriginalKat on June 04, 2011, 11:21:09 AM
I think Bozo is trying to bore jury and they might want a nap during court. zzzzzzzzzzzz


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:21:14 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein

Spectators told me that a fight almost broke out at 530am when 2 women tried to cut in ticket line. Check YouTube for vid.



They need to rethink the procedure how the public is getting tickets, for one disabled persons are at a disadvantage & also it could very well result in an injury.  It would be much more fair to do it by number & a random drawing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 11:21:41 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



That's what I was worried about. I'm just wondering if he will be able to get another case after this one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:22:03 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


While at sidebar and it is case related (yesterday anyway):

Hi Star! Is that a question or a statement? I was looking for something on that last night and couldn't find a link. If you have one, I'd like to have it. TIA!

It is in the autopsy report. If you don't have it I can put it on doc stock for you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:22:15 AM
Baez is playing to the jury in sidebar, smirking and rolling eyes as JA speaks.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 11:23:24 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
It's time for another smack down!  (http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/olivegirl/Casey/Casey%20Comics/judgespanks.gif)

Absolutely!!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
Never, never have we seen someone so inept and out of his unprepared league. He is as sick KC is. She got exactly what she deserves and so will he  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:23:38 AM
Baez is playing to the jury in sidebar, smirking and rolling eyes as JA speaks.
 ::MonkeyMad::

Actually, if I were a juror, I would be offended by that. So, let's hope the real jurors feel the same way!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 11:23:39 AM
Baez is playing to the jury in sidebar, smirking and rolling eyes as JA speaks.
 ::MonkeyMad::
I would think the jury would think as we do.....Baez is an azzhat!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:23:57 AM
I think I figured out why KC let her hair grow........the sample from the trunk with postmortem hair banding analyzed was 9 inches long. She prob thinks the jurors will think it might be KC's hair. BUT, hair expert stated the hair was not consistent with KC's.......Fail

I'm hoping that the State will show a picture of KC when she was arrested. I would choose the one in the light blue hoodie as she sashays smiling into court with her hands cuffed behind her back. (Poor Grieving Mother, she is). 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 11:23:58 AM
Baez is such a scumbag lowlife incompetent piece of work


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:24:02 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



That's what I was worried about. I'm just wondering if he will be able to get another case after this one.

Bozo wouldnt know a credible defense strategy if it bit him in the bum & he's on his way to getting disbarred.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
Ugh he said she failed her proficiency test and she said yes.

He's running out of avenues and here comes the super nasty stuff. Next thing you know he'll be telling the jury she has a library book that's over due!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 11:24:35 AM
Never, never have we seen someone so inept and out of his unprepared league. He is as sick KC is. She got exactly what she deserves and so will he  ::boxingbaez::

I totally agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


Most likely yes.  The hair found on the duct tape did not have a death band & we will hear from Dr G why she felt it was placed there prior to death

IMO that will help the decision for Death penalty

Dr. G's report does not state it was placed there PRIOR to death, it states it was placed there prior to decomposition.

Thanks Blink, so much evidence and cn


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
Baez has a damn lot of nerve pointing out that someone else failed a proficiency test!!   

::MonkeyMad::   ::boxingbaez::   ::MonkeyMad::





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:25:08 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:25:12 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony
This can't possibly be Yuri.
No way......someones making a joke...btw totmom's camp??
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:25:19 AM
Maybe bozo thinks the jury will just get fed up and leave.  How can he not see that he looks like a total fool???
 ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez asks expert if she failed her proficiency test. She says, "yes, in 2000"
41 seconds ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
@
@Bright0Eyes Mason is here. Sitting next to Casey
3 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Expert doesn't have exhibit to show jurors exact hair that was examined.
5 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:25:46 AM

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love it!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 11:25:48 AM
Baez has a damn lot of nerve pointing out that someone else failed a proficiency test!!   

::MonkeyMad::   ::boxingbaez::   ::MonkeyMad::





Haha She should ask how many times did you fail the bar??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 11:25:54 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

KC only has imaginary friends for Blowhole to call! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
is he still talking? I cant listen to him anymore? ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

She won't get a mistrial. JP won't allow it. However she WILL most definitely file an appeal for inept counsel

I was listening to the talking heads on TV who were attorneys and all of them said that would be her last resort for an appeal because of the number of the other attorneys. They all agreed bozo was is doing a terrible job, but because the judge has asked her on more than one occasion on the record if she was satisfied with her counsel this would never work in an appeals court.

less than 1% of appeals for ineffectiveness of counsel are granted in the US.  Less than that in Florida.

Thanks Blink! Quick question: If Baez happens to lose his license to practice after this trial, or even if he's reprimanded, is there any chance he could be forced to help pay back the Stare of Florida for funding Casey's Defense? Do lawyers carry malpractice insurance or is that something utilized by people in the med field?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
Baez is playing to the jury in sidebar, smirking and rolling eyes as JA speaks.
 ::MonkeyMad::
I would think the jury would think as we do.....Baez is an azzhat!!

Bozo's picture will be submitted to Webster's with the definition of @$$hat


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 11:26:44 AM

I'm hoping that the State will show a picture of KC when she was arrested. I would choose the one in the light blue hoodie as she sashays smiling into court with her hands cuffed behind her back. (Poor Grieving Mother, she is). 
Yes, the one where she is HAP PY, as LDB put it!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
I think I figured out why KC let her hair grow........the sample from the trunk with postmortem hair banding analyzed was 9 inches long. She prob thinks the jurors will think it might be KC's hair. BUT, hair expert stated the hair was not consistent with KC's.......Fail

I'm hoping that the State will show a picture of KC when she was arrested. I would choose the one in the light blue hoodie as she sashays smiling into court with her hands cuffed behind her back. (Poor Grieving Mother, she is). 

YES! Me too...oh and her wearing those Caylee is missing T shirts while prissing down the parking lot and Kathi B asks her why she's doing that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:26:50 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


While at sidebar and it is case related (yesterday anyway):

Hi Star! Is that a question or a statement? I was looking for something on that last night and couldn't find a link. If you have one, I'd like to have it. TIA!

It is in the autopsy report. If you don't have it I can put it on doc stock for you.

Thanks, Turbo. I'll look it up. I was just reluctant to discuss without a link.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 11:26:52 AM
Baez has a damn lot of nerve pointing out that someone else failed a proficiency test!!   

::MonkeyMad::   ::boxingbaez::   ::MonkeyMad::





Haha She should ask how many times did you fail the bar??

I would love to see that!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 11:27:23 AM
Is LKB telling baez what to ask via the phone?

Who is that?

Linda Kenny Baden. She was on the defense team early on for the purpose of forensic science. You may have seen her husband on various News Networks. He's a well known Forensic Physician, often compared to Henry Lee as one of two really Big Guns in the field.

LKB has saturated the airwaves of late and gotten more than he 5 mins of fame from this case. Her twitter lists all her show appearances this week  http://twitter.com/#!/kenneybaden (http://twitter.com/#!/kenneybaden)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
Baez reminds me of, but is worse than a mudslinging politician ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:27:54 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

Sorry, let me clarify: I mean this witnesses fail of her first test. Not Baez! Sorry.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 11:27:59 AM
It's time for another smack down!  (http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/olivegirl/Casey/Casey%20Comics/judgespanks.gif)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.msg1377744#msg1377744



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:28:09 AM

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

Love it!!!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
is he still talking? I cant listen to him anymore? ::MonkeyMad::

Yes. His representation to JP of being almost done was as big a joke as Baez is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:29:51 AM
5 minute recess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
It's time for another smack down!  (http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/olivegirl/Casey/Casey%20Comics/judgespanks.gif)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.msg1377744#msg1377744


omg too funny...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 11:30:15 AM
Another short break thanks to Bozo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 11:30:38 AM
Hopefully in redirect the prosecution will ask Lowe, is it possible that there were hairs in the trunk that could have been from Caylee in thr trunk of both when she was alive and dead.

baez is trying to say that a hair that shows decomp may not actually be one.

Um, there can be both. Hairs could have been in the trunk from a blanket when she was still alive and when Caylee was put in trunl, post mortum.

My theory which is a work in progress implies that Casey's decomposing remains were placed inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle on June 24, 2008.

Could it be that there were many more decomposing hair strands as well as other crucial evidence inside that trunk prior to Cindy's cleaning spree ... prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle.

Janet

+++++


Tamikosmom Theory - June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jackson.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  Casey returns her father's gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the ordor with baking powder.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 11:31:07 AM
Simms was just trying to tell Bobo something.  He shook his head "no" and walked away  from her with his notes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tolerance on June 04, 2011, 11:31:31 AM
Will the jury perceive doubt in the witness testimony by being asked to leave the courtroom?
I would think this in and out business would cause confusion for them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



That's what I was worried about. I'm just wondering if he will be able to get another case after this one.

This brings to mind some famous words from another trial atleast for me.  "If the glove does not fit you must acquit." 

All it takes is reasonable doubt in one jurors mind so we will have to wait and see.  jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
I would confidently take the FBI's opinion over Bozo's.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/195332/19/Caylee-Anthony-on-cover-of-People-magazine

Maybe this is why Baez was textin people magazine..

He most likely was texting them to make sure he got his picture, name, and contact information in it so he could screw up another case.

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

LOL.  Too funny.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:32:09 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein

Spectators told me that a fight almost broke out at 530am when 2 women tried to cut in ticket line. Check YouTube for vid.



They need to rethink the procedure how the public is getting tickets, for one disabled persons are at a disadvantage & also it could very well result in an injury.  It would be much more fair to do it by number & a random drawing.

Oh Capp, I totally agree!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:32:27 AM
Foghorn & Casey are finding something amusing to laugh about during the short recess


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:33:29 AM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/0823icawatchingsidebarjbattackingKL-1-1.jpg)
kc watching the sidebar... wishing she was at a real bar!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


While at sidebar and it is case related (yesterday anyway):

Hi Star! Is that a question or a statement? I was looking for something on that last night and couldn't find a link. If you have one, I'd like to have it. TIA!

Hey CBB,  it was a comment from another monkey on the last pages of yesterdays thread.. no links attached. Looks like Blink said it was placed there before decomposed not death (verified anyways)

Guess we will see when Dr testifies..more on that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: iowagirl on June 04, 2011, 11:34:41 AM
Another short break thanks to Bozo.

The judge probably needs a drink.  lol 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
I can't help but believe that the jury, by now, has noticed Baez' ineptitude and have concluded that is the reason they are in and out of the court room "like a pop tart".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 11:35:58 AM
Mumbles just woke up, scooted towards KC with his arm behind her chair and is telling her something.  He is very aware of the cameera and keeps glancing towards it.

I truly wonder if Mumbles will cause himself to have a medical incident in the courtroom so that he can salvage his name from this circus case when the guilty verdict is read?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 11:36:14 AM
Hopefully in redirect the prosecution will ask Lowe, is it possible that there were hairs in the trunk that could have been from Caylee in thr trunk of both when she was alive and dead.

baez is trying to say that a hair that shows decomp may not actually be one.

Um, there can be both. Hairs could have been in the trunk from a blanket when she was still alive and when Caylee was put in trunl, post mortum.

My theory which is a work in progress implies that Casey's decomposing remains were placed inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle on June 24, 2008.

Could it be that there were many more decomposing hair strands as well as other crucial evidence inside that trunk prior to Cindy's cleaning spree ... prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle.

Janet

+++++


Tamikosmom Theory - June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jackson.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  Casey returns her father's gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the ordor with baking powder.
 

June 25-27, 2008

Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008
 
1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



That's what I was worried about. I'm just wondering if he will be able to get another case after this one.

This brings to mind some famous words from another trial atleast for me.  "If the glove does not fit you must acquit." 

All it takes is reasonable doubt in one jurors mind so we will have to wait and see.  jmo

Bozo is not even close to Johnny Cochran & this hair is hardly the one thing the jury will determine their verdict on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:38:06 AM
Just read the last thread.. the duct tape was placed Before death according to the autopsy?!!!!


While at sidebar and it is case related (yesterday anyway):

Hi Star! Is that a question or a statement? I was looking for something on that last night and couldn't find a link. If you have one, I'd like to have it. TIA!

It is in the autopsy report. If you don't have it I can put it on doc stock for you.
If u have time sometime that would be great!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
OMG, here comes the hair brush


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 11:38:34 AM
Baez has a damn lot of nerve pointing out that someone else failed a proficiency test!!   

::MonkeyMad::   ::boxingbaez::   ::MonkeyMad::


no Chit! Azzwipe!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:39:56 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

Btw - Jesus juror may not own an iron... #caseyanthony

--------

::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh wait.. I don't own an iron either.   ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyHaHa::







Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 11:40:18 AM
Bozo's trying to slip in that Cindy handed over the wrong brush.
Between the 3 CMA's, Caylee's the only one that's deceased.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:40:35 AM
OMG, here comes the hair brush

He just tried to insert Cindy connected to the hair brush but he was sustained...see this is where their actions in an effort to protect their daughter is going to come back to bite them & could effect this case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blink34 on June 04, 2011, 11:41:14 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

He never failed the Bar exam, he was denied admittance for 8 years.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:42:05 AM
He's nuts... attacking like he does...he's going to end up with a busted tail light or speeding when he's not speeding or some parking violation...he's cruising for a bruising from people who can find a legal way to harass an a hole. Just sayin...not threatening that I'd do that myself, lol, but I wouldn't want to piss off LE or FBI or anyone in that field.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Bozo~ none of them are deceased other than Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flutterby42 on June 04, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
If the defense has stated that the child was dead on June 16, drowned in the swimming pool, why are they even arguing about the forensic evidence? They concede that the child was dead. Did they not even say that George moved the child to dispose of her body? This is a waste, HUGE waste, of the Court's time.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 11:43:46 AM

(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Bozo12.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:43:54 AM
he must realy be proud of himself.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Now, let me get this. jose is trying to get it could be casey, cindy and cindy's mom right?
Only one is dead atm......daaaaaaaaaaa
 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe never sent hair for nucleur testing bc there was no tissue on hair follicle. DNA analyst never id hair.
1 minute ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Caylee was still missing when hair was examined. #CaseyAnthony
4 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: OriginalKat on June 04, 2011, 11:44:56 AM
Let's see...hair could come from Caylee, Casey, Cindy or Cindy's mom. Who on this list could have decomp band on their hair? Hmmm? Caylee is the only one dead Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
OMG, here comes the hair brush

He just tried to insert Cindy connected to the hair brush but he was sustained...see this is where their actions in an effort to protect their daughter is going to come back to bite them & could effect this case.

I wonder if the reason why the A's never got into trouble with LE was because they knew what would happen today... that they knew she would throw her parents under the bus and they would need to tolerate the A's and be ready to help them like they are now?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
Bozo~ none of them are deceased other than Caylee.

Thank You, Curly!! Geez......... what's he doing?? The hair could have been from Casey, Cindy, Caylee, or Cindy's Mom (any maternal line). BUT it had a DEAD band.... so who's dead, Baez???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:45:18 AM
I argue that Bozo has a singular brain cell acquired by secondary transfer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
So where Bozo is going with this is that the hair got in the trunk by another means other than Caylee being in the trunk of the car.  Well explain the decomp fluids you idiot.  Good grief.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:45:25 AM
LOL. Bozo just walked away and didn't say he was done.  Jeff will make him look more foolish now.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: iowagirl on June 04, 2011, 11:45:34 AM
I'm waiting for the prosecution to apologize... "Sorry if the defense is a nitwit.. I'll be brief"   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 11:45:44 AM
Quote
Let's see...hair could come from Caylee, Casey, Cindy or Cindy's mom. Who on this list could have decomp band on their hair? Hmmm? Caylee is the only one dead Bozo
I wish someone would make this point. Drive the point home!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
I argue that Bozo has a singular brain cell acquired by secondary transfer.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:46:05 AM
All of that blah, blah, blah, from bozo and NOTHING was said or accomplished.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
Omg! He's pissing me off that he refuses to pronounce NUCLEAR correctly! Jeesh, no wonder it too him so long to get his license to practice...bc he's a moron!

Here Mr. Baez, I'll help ya out ... Hint Google is your friend:

nu·cle·ar Adjective   /ˈn(y)o͞oklēər/   /-kli(ə)r/ 
Synonyms:
adjective: atomic
Of or relating to the nucleus of an atom
Denoting, relating to, or powered by the energy released in nuclear fission or fusion
nuclear energy
nuclear submarines
Denoting, possessing, or involving weapons using this energy
a nuclear bomb
nuclear nations
Of or relating to the nucleus of a cell
nuclear DNA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:46:28 AM
Ashton's up again. Clear the mud away, Jeff!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 11:46:52 AM
go jeff!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::piggy:: ::piggy:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 11:46:55 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

He never failed the Bar exam, he was denied admittance for 8 years.
Do you know why?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

He never failed the Bar exam, he was denied admittance for 8 years.

Because of ETHICS issues.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 11:49:11 AM
You can cut your hair now KC! The expert knows the difference between light brown & dark brown!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2011, 11:49:36 AM
Is Baez even a real lawyer?  He does not know even half of what he is doing.  I really hope she doesn't get a mistrial due to incompetent representation.

Yes he's the real deal as are the other numerous attornies representing Ms. Anthony. I think Baez is doing a bang up job.... other than the fact that he does not do his homework.  IMO his being ignorant/purposely ignoring certain things could be part of his defense strategy???



That's what I was worried about. I'm just wondering if he will be able to get another case after this one.

This brings to mind some famous words from another trial atleast for me.  "If the glove does not fit you must acquit." 

All it takes is reasonable doubt in one jurors mind so we will have to wait and see.  jmo

Bozo is not even close to Johnny Cochran & this hair is hardly the one thing the jury will determine their verdict on.

Seriously, being a random viewer I had no idea who Johnny Cochran was until OJ's trial.  And I am being a little sarcastic just not pointing out where....I don't want Casey's fans to give her any idea's that waste more tax payer $$'s.

As to my reasonable doubt statement it stands alone unfortunately imo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
The decompensated hair was inconsistent with KC. It was 9 inches long and not treated.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 11:50:05 AM
Just a note, unless he has changed his schedule, Judge Perry scheduled a hearing on the CD of George's hospital records for 1 PM today.

So when the jury is dismissed, keep watching ;-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blink34 on June 04, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

He never failed the Bar exam, he was denied admittance for 8 years.

Because of ETHICS issues.

concern for ethics and financial issues, yes.

How badly do you think they wish they would have acted on the previous Bar complaints right about now?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:50:53 AM
Just a note, unless he has changed his schedule, Judge Perry scheduled a hearing on the CD of George's hospital records for 1 PM today.

So when the jury is dismissed, keep watching ;-)

Thanks for the reminder! Should be interesting!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2011, 11:51:28 AM
did they or why wouldn't they have compared the hair found in the trunk to the hair found on Caylee later?  Anyone know?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:51:45 AM
Baez is up for recross. Ashton making objection for assuming facts not in evidence. Sustained.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 11:51:56 AM
Casey Anthony News13

Ashton seems to make jurors laugh. Just corrected himself saying he asked an awful question.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
The decompensated hair was inconsistent with KC. It was 9 inches long and not treated.

Casey discussed her hair care in the jail visit video, if memory serves she spoke about dying it & that she hadnt been to a hair salon in quite a bit.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
Witness excused.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 11:53:01 AM
Didnt bobo fail the bar 8 times??

This was over ten years ago! I suspect many of these jurors might have even failed their first driving test (happens often) and they might give her a pass.

He never failed the Bar exam, he was denied admittance for 8 years.

Because of ETHICS issues.

Yeah, something about his failure to pay child support for his only child or something? I forget...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:54:22 AM
State's next witness:   Mike Vincent, OCSO CSI  asst supvr


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 11:54:23 AM
Mike Vincent- OC Sheriff Assist Super Crime Scene Unit


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Image34-2.png)

Mike Vincent on stand now


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 11:55:06 AM
IIRC, Blink did an article on the ethics issues of Mr. BuyAzzzz.
I can't find it, sorry.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:55:12 AM
Mike Vincent is on the stand. He's with Orange County Police and is a supervisor for Crime Scene Investigation.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 11:56:06 AM
Just a note, unless he has changed his schedule, Judge Perry scheduled a hearing on the CD of George's hospital records for 1 PM today.

So when the jury is dismissed, keep watching ;-)

Thanks Brandi!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
Sorry........... he's an assistant Supervisor for Orange County Sherrif's Dept.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
Notice Mr Vincent is BALD, no hair from him ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 11:57:30 AM
He collected carpet samples and air samples from the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:57:46 AM
Process of collecting air samples is being testified to


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: karenmamo on June 04, 2011, 11:58:26 AM
State needs to leave jurors with a whammie testimony...wonder if they can get one in today?
Would this witness be the one?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 04, 2011, 11:58:58 AM
He took the AIR SAMPLES.....remember there are canisters in the court room.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 11:59:18 AM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

Thanks Northern! Wowsa. Deadbeat dad, too. Blech, blech!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
Linda is looking especially sharp today.

CSI cracked open trunk as little as could to suck air out through a syringe into 2 plastic bags and also hung a filter into the trunk of the car.

Vincent is very well spoken.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 12:00:34 PM
Interesting........... they retrieved the sample with a syringe. They cracked the trunk as little as possible and got it, then transferred the air to a plastic bag. They also hung a filter in the trunk, shut it and hoped the filter would absorb the odor.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV)

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV

This trial made history today using post mortem hair banding evidence in a Florida criminal case.. 1st time ever used to determine death



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:01:08 PM
Linda is showing Vincent one of the cans. He recognizes his label.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:01:09 PM
The can is being discussed & displayed for the jury to see


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:01:17 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image36.png)

Mike Vincent answering questions from Linda to the jury.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 04, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
State needs to leave jurors with a whammie testimony...wonder if they can get one in today?
Would this witness be the one?

Opening a can for them to whiff would do it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:01:46 PM
Vincent sealed the can on 7-22?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
Mumbles just woke up, scooted towards KC with his arm behind her chair and is telling her something.  He is very aware of the cameera and keeps glancing towards it.

I truly wonder if Mumbles will cause himself to have a medical incident in the courtroom so that he can salvage his name from this circus case when the guilty verdict is read?

I was thinking that very thing last night.  Everything that I have heard from news commentators is that he is a very good trial lawyer.  If that is the case why in the world would you want to be tied to this fiasco?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
Interesting........... they retrieved the sample with a syringe. They cracked the trunk as little as possible and got it, then transferred the air to a plastic bag. They also hung a filter in the trunk, shut it and hoped the filter would absorb the odor.
This is wonderful...does this mean that the trunk will still contain the odor?  If the can's haven't retained the smell, could the jury go see and smell the trunk?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:03:50 PM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/
All of this still applies to this day!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 12:03:55 PM
Everything is junk science to Bozo.

Years of studies and verifying...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:04:11 PM
On the 23rd they opened up the trunk and hung a carbon filter and another kind of filter to leave for 40 minutes and then collected the samples. She's showing the package to Vincent and he recognizes it also. Evidence tape with his initials on it. Not sealed with date but has the date on the front 7/23/08... transferred then to Oak Ridge Lab.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:04:53 PM
Mumbles just woke up, scooted towards KC with his arm behind her chair and is telling her something.  He is very aware of the cameera and keeps glancing towards it.

I truly wonder if Mumbles will cause himself to have a medical incident in the courtroom so that he can salvage his name from this circus case when the guilty verdict is read?

I was thinking that very thing last night.  Everything that I have heard from news commentators is that he is a very good trial lawyer.  If that is the case why in the world would you want to be tied to this fiasco?

Not to mention what his comments were regarding his client prior to him becoming part of the defense team.  Evidently, his overblown ego led him to believe he could possibly get her acquitted or more to the point of his previous comments to save her life.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:06:41 PM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Tall male juror just checked watch. Yawn.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:07:14 PM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/
All of this still applies to this day!

Especially "lack of respect for the legal system" ...  that has always irked me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:07:38 PM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Tall male juror just checked watch. Yawn.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)

Not uncommon of jurors during scientific evidence, he'll wake up real fast if they get to open those cans


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:08:02 PM
Going over what equipment Dr. Vass sent to use for collection.

Aug. 29 did air samples from vehicle and trash from vehicle. A square box was used that had two latches on front and lid that opened. Inside was switches and batteries and two tubes came out of the box. On the two tubes was a nut. Test tubes each had male side of nuts on each end ...he attached the test tubes to the tubes coming out and run the "equipment" and he took air samples of the garage itself.

What did he call the square box? I paraphrased with "equipment".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:08:18 PM
Interesting that they took air samples from the garage where the car was parked as well.  For comparisons?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:08:37 PM
I thought JP has not ruled yet on whether they can open the cans in court? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: fatcatlurker on June 04, 2011, 12:09:12 PM
Everything is junk science to Bozo.

Years of studies and verifying...

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:09:49 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image37-8.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
The decompensated hair was inconsistent with KC. It was 9 inches long and not treated.

Casey discussed her hair care in the jail visit video, if memory serves she spoke about dying it & that she hadnt been to a hair salon in quite a bit.
Wasn't that because Cindy told her about the salon owner that media reported on?  The one that said that KC and Caylee had been in her salon.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 12:10:53 PM
Mumbles just woke up, scooted towards KC with his arm behind her chair and is telling her something.  He is very aware of the cameera and keeps glancing towards it.

I truly wonder if Mumbles will cause himself to have a medical incident in the courtroom so that he can salvage his name from this circus case when the guilty verdict is read?

I was thinking that very thing last night.  Everything that I have heard from news commentators is that he is a very good trial lawyer.  If that is the case why in the world would you want to be tied to this fiasco?

I dunno... I haven't seen evidence of his brilliance in this case yet, have you? Could be a case of the emperor's new clothes--people just agreeing that he is brilliant because someonle else said it once. Not necessarily true. Totally unfounded reputation IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:11:18 PM
Hmmm, do the test tubes still smell of the odor


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:11:24 PM
I thought JP has not ruled yet on whether they can open the cans in court? 
I'm thinking this is leading up to whether or not they will be opened. We'll see.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 04, 2011, 12:12:17 PM
I thought JP has not ruled yet on whether they can open the cans in court? 

Thats what I thought as well?   OMG.. I would throw up for sure..the whole room probably will smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
The decompensated hair was inconsistent with KC. It was 9 inches long and not treated.

Casey discussed her hair care in the jail visit video, if memory serves she spoke about dying it & that she hadnt been to a hair salon in quite a bit.
Wasn't that because Cindy told her about the salon owner that media reported on?  The one that said that KC and Caylee had been in her salon.

I don't know about that specifically; but Cindy did ask about having her and Caylee's hair done on those videos, and that was refuted.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jurors listened closely to fbi analyst karen lowe.. At beginning of cross examination they appeared to be lost or confused

http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 12:12:53 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jurors listened closely to fbi analyst karen lowe.. At beginning of cross examination they appeared to be lost or confused
2 minutes ago

Kathi Belich, WFTV
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
This trial made history today using post mortem hair banding evidence in a Florida criminal case.. 1st time ever used to determine death

http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV
 (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:13:06 PM
Evidence from passenger side of vehicle on 8/29. Process took 69 minutes to collect.

Evidence from passenger side again. And again 69 minutes again. Two tubes that came out of the box, he attached each tube.

Evidence from the trash bag. Collected for 72 minutes on 8/30.

Evidence from inside the trunk. Collected after trunk lid closed for 69 minutes.

Evidence from trash. On 8/30 for 72 minutes.

NK Evidence from air in garage. 77 minutes on 8/30 at 9:03 am.

L Evidence blank test. Traps that were shipped was not used and kept in its container and was shipped back in that condition. So during shipment if any contaminants were to show up it would pick it up.

From Garage evidence. tested on 8/30 for 77 mins.

After everything was collected it was all shipped to Doctor Vass.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:14:40 PM
JM Evidence is recognized as a substance on the surface of spare tire well and was scraped and sent to Dr. Vass.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:14:46 PM
The decompensated hair was inconsistent with KC. It was 9 inches long and not treated.

Casey discussed her hair care in the jail visit video, if memory serves she spoke about dying it & that she hadnt been to a hair salon in quite a bit.
Wasn't that because Cindy told her about the salon owner that media reported on?  The one that said that KC and Caylee had been in her salon.

I don't know about that specifically; but Cindy did ask about having her and Caylee's hair done on those videos, and that was refuted.
IIRC, the salon owner had a photo of Caylee with a mark on her face.  She thought it might have been from Caylee being hit.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Crime scene investigator michael vincent took air samples from trunk, sheriff's garage and the trash bag from casey's trunk

http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
JM Evidence is recognized as a substance on the surface of spare tire well and was scraped and sent to Dr. Vass.
So sad, this has to be Caylee's decomp fluids.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:16:29 PM
 KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
The sheriff's office even shipped an unused air filter to Oak Ridge lab so they could test for contamination during shipping!

 KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jurors are watching, listening and some taking notes
 
http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV (http://twitter.com/#!/KBelichWFTV)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:16:44 PM

Casey discussed her hair care in the jail visit video, if memory serves she spoke about dying it & that she hadnt been to a hair salon in quite a bit.
Wasn't that because Cindy told her about the salon owner that media reported on?  The one that said that KC and Caylee had been in her salon.

I don't know about that specifically; but Cindy did ask about having her and Caylee's hair done on those videos, and that was refuted.
IIRC, the salon owner had a photo of Caylee with a mark on her face.  She thought it might have been from Caylee being hit.
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Ahh! I didn't know that. Thank you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Curly on June 04, 2011, 12:16:47 PM
They should just take the jury to the car instead of opening the can in the courtroom.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:16:54 PM
Just stating the obvious...pictures of the trunk with a large stain being shown & no reaction from Casey whatsoever.   She is stretching her neck to look.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
Collected section from spare tire cover that was not stained for a controlled sample. And took one that was stained.

IP and IQ for id.

IP is a sealed can. IQ is a another sealed can without evidence tape or initials. Stained spare tire cover.

IP is stained spare tire cover. The smaller piece is the control sample...IP? 

He also assisted taking samples of hair and dna from GA CA and LA. The standards from parents on 10/7/ From LA 10/8/08. Items IW IX IY IZ JA JB for identification.

(I can't believe anyone in the jury is yawning. This is history!)



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 12:20:18 PM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/
All of this still applies to this day!

Especially "lack of respect for the legal system" ...  that has always irked me.

AMAZING that the Bar ever passed him, and doesn't seem to have followed him to see him continuing his lack of respect! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Collected section from spare tire cover that was not stained for a controlled sample. And took one that was stained.

IP and IQ for id.

IP is a sealed can. IQ is a another sealed can without evidence tape or initials. Stained spare tire cover.

IP is stained spare tire cover. The smaller piece is the control sample...IP? 

He also assisted taking samples of hair and dna from GA CA and LA. The standards from parents on 10/7/ From LA 10/8/08. Items IW IX IY IZ JA JB for identification.

(I can't believe anyone in the jury is yawning. This is history!)



I hate to admit this, but I'm yawning. It's interesting, but it's sorts monotoned.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 12:21:45 PM
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
It's still "up in the air" if jurors will smell air samples. Smell of death?!
13 seconds ago

Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
There's a blonde female juror who can't be more than 10 years older than Casey. She has been writing non stop in her notebook.

http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:21:59 PM
How was the buccal swab done? They take two Q tips and swab each side of the mouth, seal them and ship them.

Hair samples are pulled hairs, not shed. Sometimes they use tweezers or just pull the hairs out with fingers. After collection they put them in a petri dish and seal.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
Collected section from spare tire cover that was not stained for a controlled sample. And took one that was stained.

IP and IQ for id.

IP is a sealed can. IQ is a another sealed can without evidence tape or initials. Stained spare tire cover.

IP is stained spare tire cover. The smaller piece is the control sample...IP? 

He also assisted taking samples of hair and dna from GA CA and LA. The standards from parents on 10/7/ From LA 10/8/08. Items IW IX IY IZ JA JB for identification.

(I can't believe anyone in the jury is yawning. This is history!)



(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image38-4.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:22:27 PM
JimLichtenstein
 
The cans just shown have the trunk carpet / smell of death in them. The state wants to open one later for the jury to smell. #caseyanthony


http://twitter.com/JimLichtenstein


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 12:23:13 PM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

Hasn't changed much???    ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
JimLichtenstein
 
The cans just shown have the trunk carpet / smell of death in them. The state wants to open one later for the jury to smell. #caseyanthony


http://twitter.com/JimLichtenstein
I think they should do it.  For those jurors who don't want to judge others or don't support the dp that may be what it takes to do KC in.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 12:25:35 PM
Collected section from spare tire cover that was not stained for a controlled sample. And took one that was stained.

IP and IQ for id.

IP is a sealed can. IQ is a another sealed can without evidence tape or initials. Stained spare tire cover.

IP is stained spare tire cover. The smaller piece is the control sample...IP? 

He also assisted taking samples of hair and dna from GA CA and LA. The standards from parents on 10/7/ From LA 10/8/08. Items IW IX IY IZ JA JB for identification.

(I can't believe anyone in the jury is yawning. This is history!)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image38-4.png)

State doing a good job of showing how its done and chain of custody so that Baez can play no games.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
Collected section from spare tire cover that was not stained for a controlled sample. And took one that was stained.

IP and IQ for id.

IP is a sealed can. IQ is a another sealed can without evidence tape or initials. Stained spare tire cover.

IP is stained spare tire cover. The smaller piece is the control sample...IP? 

He also assisted taking samples of hair and dna from GA CA and LA. The standards from parents on 10/7/ From LA 10/8/08. Items IW IX IY IZ JA JB for identification.

(I can't believe anyone in the jury is yawning. This is history!)



I hate to admit this, but I'm yawning. It's interesting, but it's sorts monotoned.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ this far away from sleeping at my desk.

I would think it would be better to explain what each item showed (results) as she presents it, but I am not a lawyer.  There is just so much that is being entered and we are not hearing about any it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:26:25 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:26:31 PM
JimLichtenstein
 
The cans just shown have the trunk carpet / smell of death in them. The state wants to open one later for the jury to smell. #caseyanthony


http://twitter.com/JimLichtenstein
I think they should do it.  For those jurors who don't want to judge others or don't support the dp that may be what it takes to do KC in.

I am praying they will, also. I mean, they will know that doesn't smell like "rotten pizza".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:26:44 PM
Anybody know what the results were of the substance he scraped off the wheel well?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:27:57 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

yes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

It's very possible it has been cancelled.

We often are not kept up to date.

I know it was scheduled for 1 PM today, though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:28:54 PM
I am waiting today specifically for the 1 oclock meeting to discuss medical records and that new witness.  That was cancelled?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:29:22 PM
Buccal swabs from Cindy recognized. And from GA. And from LA.

And LA's buccal swabs were identified as being the father of Caylee...HA! Just kidding.

Hairs evidence recognized by witness also. Uh oh there's hair mixed in, looks like hair pulled by GA out of kc's head... lol...we wish.

He went to the home on hopespring drive to get the gas cans. AJ for identification. Witness recognizes one of two cans he collected from teh house. He can recall the date and time because it's located on the id card. Introduced into evidence and received...and published.

Is this the can from the argument before? That it's "not...in...evidence" from before?

He swabbed the can for dna or fingerprints but was unsuccessful. It was returned to Hopespring Drive on aug. 13th to CA.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:29:26 PM
Anybody know what the results were of the substance he scraped off the wheel well?

I don't. I wish I knew if there was any evidence that the state has but had "sealed" so we do not yet know about it? I keep hoping! But I think with FL's laws to let everything be released, that probably isn't going to happen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:30:10 PM
I am waiting today specifically for the 1 oclock meeting to discuss medical records and that new witness.  That was cancelled?
I think that one is still on.  The 8:30am was canceled.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:30:47 PM
Buccal swabs from Cindy recognized. And from GA. And from LA.

And LA's buccal swabs were identified as being the father of Caylee...HA! Just kidding.

Hairs evidence recognized by witness also. Uh oh there's hair mixed in, looks like hair pulled by GA out of kc's head... lol...we wish.

He went to the home on hopespring drive to get the gas cans. AJ for identification. Witness recognizes one of two cans he collected from teh house. He can recall the date and time because it's located on the id card. Introduced into evidence and received...and published.

Is this the can from the argument before? That it's "not...in...evidence" from before?

He swabbed the can for dna or fingerprints but was unsuccessful. It was returned to Hopespring Drive on aug. 13th to CA.





Hahaha! I'm yawning, but I'm paying attention. Caught that. LOL!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
I'm wondering if the Defense has downplayed the importance of this evidence to Casey--she's appearing a bit worried.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:31:28 PM
Cross ...sighhhhhhhhhhh.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:31:55 PM
OH NO...guess we won't be opening the cans today, if they do get let in. Ugh.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Hahaha! I'm yawning, but I'm paying attention. Caught that. LOL!

 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Stuck on stupid Bobo is asking about the media being there when the car was being processed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Azzhat!  Trying to blame the guy for the media being there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
Baez asked him if he called the media...good grief! Asked him if he was aware the media was filming him while processing the car.... sustained again...rephrase question....oi.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
So what Bozo.  Maybe he could not stand the smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:33:45 PM
 ::boxingbaez:: Cross....making a scene over cameras of the media catching the car in the OCSO

Sustained, twice so far


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:33:56 PM
I'm wondering if the Defense has downplayed the importance of this evidence to Casey--she's appearing a bit worried.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image39-4.png)

Just looks zoned out as usual to me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:34:27 PM
Vincent "It was new but I wouldn't call it an experiment."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

Im wondering if Jim L has it confused with what Mumbles withdrew, not sure


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:34:53 PM
I'm wondering if the Defense has downplayed the importance of this evidence to Casey--she's appearing a bit worried.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image39-4.png)

Just looks zoned out as usual to me.
Me too.  She only reacts when the testimony is about "her".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:34:58 PM
Vincent "It was new but I wouldn't call it an experiment."

Typical from @$$hat


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
OSCaseyAnthony
 
Interesting observation: Baez had his phone when he questioned Lowe, he doesn't have it now #CaseyAnthony

http://twitter.com/OSCaseyAnthony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:35:27 PM
I see that guy...the black man who thinks KC is innocent. At least, I think it's him. He's looking on very attentively.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:35:48 PM
It's the first time you were doing it but yo were sure you were doing it correctly? BAEZ

Vincent: He didn't do those...the doc did those on the mentioned dates by Baez. He was an *******. There were different types of filters used to collect the samples.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:35:52 PM
Baez is obnoxious to the max.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:35:54 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

Im wondering if Jim L has it confused with what Mumbles withdrew, not sure

Me too.  Dufense may have withdrawn both though..who knows with them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:36:45 PM
"Air is a free flowing thing"   BOZO Oy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

Im wondering if Jim L has it confused with what Mumbles withdrew, not sure

Me too.  Dufense may have withdrawn both though..who knows with them.

If he withdrew, what does that mean?  Are the medical records put in evidence? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:36:52 PM
"Air is a free flowing thing, is it not?" Baez.

Here we go again. Same tired argument.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:37:01 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

Im wondering if Jim L has it confused with what Mumbles withdrew, not sure

It's my understanding Mumbles withdrew a different motion. The medical records are still on at 1, unless they said something while not on camera that we didn't hear.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:37:08 PM
ohhhhh...I want to kick Jose right where his little brain resides! 
 ::boxingbaez::   ::boxingbaez::   ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:37:56 PM
INNUENDO. 

Can't he just question the evidence, instead of trying to push every single witness under the bus?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:37:57 PM
Does this sound right?




qz6 l smith
@JimLichtenstein thought we get to hear them argue about George's medical records after court today?
7 minutes ago
in reply to ↑

@JimLichtenstein
Jim Lichtenstein
@qz6 That hearing was cancelled. They didn't tell us why.
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad

http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein

Im wondering if Jim L has it confused with what Mumbles withdrew, not sure

Me too.  Dufense may have withdrawn both though..who knows with them.

If he withdrew, what does that mean?  Are the medical records put in evidence? 
That motion had to do with something else.  At least that is what I thought.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:37:58 PM
Didn't test air in the Anthony garage? No.

Near the dumpster where the car was for three days? No.

Bozo...good grief!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:38:03 PM
Where is Baez going with this?  If the smell of death was in there in July and August, what difference does that make other than it's so potent it never left the garage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
::boxingbaez:: Cross....making a scene over cameras of the media catching the car in the OCSO

Sustained, twice so far

Gee-I wonder who called the media--[ just kidding--lol. ]


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 12:38:34 PM
well we know he is gettitng tutored by mason.. linda plastic cup look baden.. and possibly geraldo.. and maybe simms.. again how many lawyers take to try a case of this magnitude and fluke  big time..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:38:44 PM
INNUENDO. 

Can't he just question the evidence, instead of trying to push every single witness under the bus?

He can't...so he gets nasty...it's all he's got.  ::MonkeyMad:: and what he does best...act nasty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:38:55 PM
INNUENDO. 

Can't he just question the evidence, instead of trying to push every single witness under the bus?
He's trying to discredit. It's what all defense attys do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Even laypeople know that where there's odor, there are particles in the air that are part of what's causing that odor. Not good to think about when you smell someone's passing gas. You're breathing in those particles. On that happy note, back to the trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:40:14 PM
That motion had to do with something else.  At least that is what I thought.

As far as I remember, there were 2 scheduled meetings.  One at 8:30 that Mason denied filing until shown by JBP that Ann Finnell filed.  I knew that one was withdrawn. 

Then, tehre was one today at 1:30 to discuss George's medical records and some new witness Bozo wants to add, grief counselor.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:40:15 PM
INNUENDO. 

Can't he just question the evidence, instead of trying to push every single witness under the bus?
He's trying to discredit. It's what all defense attys do.

Trying being the key word.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:40:19 PM
Baez's questions make no sense.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:40:35 PM
Can we request live feeds of Jose's hearing when he's brought before the bar?  It;s going to happen.  I want to see it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
Now Baez just showed he knows better...he gets it...but he's trying to confuse crap...jumbles dates around and makes the witness have to ask "I'm confused, can you explain that again?"

 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 12:41:09 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Vincent says this was the first time he ever took air samples. He seems old school.
1 minute ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez will fight these air samples just like he did the hair banding. He's also not going to like the dog handlers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:41:32 PM
You idiot doing it a month a half later only goes to show how prominent it still was!!!

What are you going to say someone went in there and injected the trunk with a smell?

OK everyone join me in song....@$$holomia!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:41:44 PM
That motion had to do with something else.  At least that is what I thought.

As far as I remember, there were 2 scheduled meetings.  One at 8:30 that Mason denied filing until shown by JBP that Ann Finnell filed.  I knew that one was withdrawn. 

Then, tehre was one today at 1:30 to discuss George's medical records and some new witness Bozo wants to add, grief counselor.
lol...that's what I understood.  Sry if I was confusing.  I think listening to Baez is hurting my brain.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
I don't understand this....
The car would be worse if it was taken in june/july 08....

Let everyone smell the can......period.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:42:40 PM
That motion had to do with something else.  At least that is what I thought.

As far as I remember, there were 2 scheduled meetings.  One at 8:30 that Mason denied filing until shown by JBP that Ann Finnell filed.  I knew that one was withdrawn. 

Then, tehre was one today at 1:30 to discuss George's medical records and some new witness Bozo wants to add, grief counselor.

The hearing on the CD of George's hospital records was scheduled for 1 PM today, after the trial.

The new expert witness hearing has not been scheduled, because the State has not deposed her yet. They plan to depose her early next week.

That is what I heard yesterday.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:42:49 PM
You idiot doing it a month a half later only goes to show how prominent it still was!!!

What are you going to say someone went in there and injected the trunk with a smell?

OK everyone join me in song....@$$holomia!

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 12:43:04 PM
OMG I bet every witness hates Bozo!
If I was on that stand I would try to make his life he**.

He does NOT know how to ask questions!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:43:21 PM
"Free flowing air"  has no bearing on air inside of a sealed car.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
BOZO, cue "the trash" will not match the smell of the air in the trunk, as previously testified to when the trash bag was removed & relocated the smell did NOT follow it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
Can we request live feeds of Jose's hearing when he's brought before the bar?  It;s going to happen.  I want to see it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can people sit in an audience and watch it in person???!!!! I'd pay good money for those seats!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:44:33 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

Because Caylee was garbage to them, and trash was the pizza. :(((  ::boxingcasey::  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
I was wondering if he even knew what he was just looking for.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:44:38 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tevye on June 04, 2011, 12:45:24 PM
OMG, if I worked for Bozo and our defense exhibit table looked like that, I'd kick him in the small brain.

Rule #1 for trial: BE ORGANIZED! have everything you need laid out in the order in which you will use it.

Bobo, you're fired!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:45:48 PM
Can CSI pull people over and give them speeding tickets or for busted tail lights?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:46:19 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?
Hopefully it won't be held against them in the future.  They are young and most likely have been bamboozled like the rest of the DT, that has now departed.  moo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

They want to equate "garbage" with rotting food in the jurors' subconcious minds, whereas, in reality, the trash bag contained mainly trash, [ I think-lol. ]


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Can CSI pull people over and give them speeding tickets or for busted tail lights?
I don't know, but I'd bet this guy would love to do a anal swab on Baez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?

Well, you would think regarding their senior attorneys they are working under no, being attached to this high profile case, yes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 12:47:38 PM
Everyone has to wait on Baez .. the prosecution is so much more experienced...
It must be so fusterating for them!




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:47:51 PM
OMG, if I worked for Bozo and our defense exhibit table looked like that, I'd kick him in the small brain.

Rule #1 for trial: BE ORGANIZED! have everything you need laid out in the order in which you will use it.

Bobo, you're fired!

That was so ridiculous, Baez searching high and low for his own props!

He finally found one.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image40-3.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?
Hopefully it won't be held against them in the future.  They are young and most likely have been bamboozled like the rest of the DT, that has now departed.  moo
Then they should have the good sense and ethics to quit right now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
How did the trash bag get wet anyway?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:48:03 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?
Hopefully it won't be held against them in the future.  They are young and most likely have been bamboozled like the rest of the DT, that has now departed.  moo

Plus, if they're just interning or whatever, it might help them. They will know what NOT to do. lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:48:04 PM
I believe Bobo is trying to insinuate that because they waited to take air samples by some fluke a cloud of decomp smell wafted towards the police garage and got conveniently stuck in the trunk of the car as the air was free flowing and not representative of the air on July 16th?????  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:48:25 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

Because Caylee was garbage to them, and trash was the pizza. :(((  ::boxingcasey::  ::boxingbaez::

Yup. Well put. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sigh. Not one time has Mr. Bobo made any acknowledgement to Caylee in the manner a decent human being would...it's just allll about kc and his fame and fortune...does not give one hoot that a beautiful baby was robbed of her life in a cruel horrific way. Not one tiny acknowledgement other than how it can put money in his nasty pockets.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 12:48:26 PM
I can't my arms around what Baez is going for...And I can't decide if I dislike Baez more when he's trying to be affable to the witness or browbeating him... Nope, it doesn't matter...I just dislike him. ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 12:48:39 PM
I have no idea how the jury can not bust out laughing at this fool.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 12:49:01 PM
Sheeesh! Baez is deliberately trying to confuse the jury. He has to know by now that if there is an odor there are particles in the air because of that odor. No odor -- no particles in the air. Hence the various particles in the air that decomp is composed of is causing that odor. If any of those particles are unique to human decomp, then that odor is that of human decomp.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
I believe Bobo is trying to insinuate that because they waited to take air samples by some fluke a cloud of decomp smell wafted towards the police garage and got conveniently stuck in the trunk of the car as the air was free flowing and not representative of the air on July 16th?????  ::boxingbaez::

LOL, so ludicrous.  Reminds me of people who are caught with drugs in their pocket, purse, vagina, and they say it is not theirs.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 12:49:21 PM
Can CSI pull people over and give them speeding tickets or for busted tail lights?
I don't know, but I'd bet this guy would love to do a anal swab on Baez.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:49:58 PM
Baez's questions make no sense.

I think that's his specialty---then everyone gives up in exhaustion, [ he hopes ]. lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/soproudofhim.jpg)
so proud of him


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:50:32 PM
Can CSI pull people over and give them speeding tickets or for busted tail lights?
I don't know, but I'd bet this guy would love to do a anal swab on Baez.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wouldn't be surprised to find out he gets one later. What a doofus. Don't piss off the police is pretty elementary.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
Okay, I am so confused...gas can vs. trash? What is Baez's point?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 12:51:12 PM
Ya casey wiped them off....
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:51:18 PM
lol...I love Linda.  She's so cool and collected.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:52:01 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such a relief... they can't stand baez either!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:52:40 PM
I believe Bobo is trying to insinuate that because they waited to take air samples by some fluke a cloud of decomp smell wafted towards the police garage and got conveniently stuck in the trunk of the car as the air was free flowing and not representative of the air on July 16th?????  ::boxingbaez::

See Cindy, George & Simon's testimony....that makes that an idiotic speculation.

OMG, now Bozo is asking if the gas can was wiped down for fingerprints...WOW what an @$$hat

No one touched it upon collection, Vincent used gloves.

Either way if he is insinuating prints it could be argued that his client would have wiped her prints down not who her attorney wants to accuse


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
Do you think those three younglings sitting at the end of the defense table realize that having this on their resumes is going to hurt their chances of ever having a reputable job?
Hopefully it won't be held against them in the future.  They are young and most likely have been bamboozled like the rest of the DT, that has now departed.  moo
Then they should have the good sense and ethics to quit right now.

"Youth is wasted on the young."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:53:12 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such a relief... they can't stand baez either!

They know he's an @$$hat too  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
I believe Bobo is trying to insinuate that because they waited to take air samples by some fluke a cloud of decomp smell wafted towards the police garage and got conveniently stuck in the trunk of the car as the air was free flowing and not representative of the air on July 16th?????  ::boxingbaez::
It sure sounds that way! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:53:52 PM
JP "Any additional questions?" He sounded really tired when he asked.

Witness is excused subject to recall.

WHEW!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 12:54:12 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such a relief... they can't stand baez either!

I remember during jury selection that someone said "not only is this when the lawyers select a jury but this is also when the jury selects a lawyer"  Probably not a true quote but close.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 12:54:24 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 12:54:26 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such a relief... they can't stand baez either!

That's a good sign......
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 12:54:37 PM
Casey looks like she wants to take a nap.
She looks tired... I know I would be bored to death.
She prob ask herself everyday "why did I kill Caylee"
"I could be partying right now" me me me...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 12:54:52 PM
STATE redirect just destroyed Baez entire questioning of witness.

Baez tried the lame approach that smell in trunk of one date not the same as a later one.

However, car was stored the entire time in one location and under seal. No soup for you baez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
snipped:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1220&start=400

Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 12:45 PM

I am not able to acess my twitter account



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
We are recessing for the day...let's see if there is a hearing

Monday 9AM we reconvene.

Jury is "working out" the "kinks" arranging for restaurants next week.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mckenzie2002 on June 04, 2011, 12:56:08 PM
I am really liking this Judge Perry!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:56:09 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

Such a relief... they can't stand baez either!

They know he's an @$$hat too  ::MonkeyWink::

So glad these people are normal individuals that know one when they hear and see one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
He didn't remind the jury not to talk about teh case.

Another mistrial request. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.

How can this be legal?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
He didn't remind the jury not to talk about teh case.

Another mistrial request. 

Nice try but no


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 12:57:55 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing

Kc texted him to shut up and sit down.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 12:58:12 PM
OMG Mumbles just woke up


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
O defense dont even try to object to that with Bozo's cell crosses


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 04, 2011, 12:58:44 PM
baez objects to State and then looks to mumbles in order for him to come up with a reason for the objection. Good grief.

Finally, Mason says there is no issue.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
He didn't remind the jury not to talk about teh case.

Another mistrial request. 

I don't think it is required for him to remind them every time. Seems to me they are still under those orders.

But I am not a lawyer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 12:58:53 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.

How can this be legal?
I didn't think phones were allowed ON in court.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
OMG Mumbles just woke up
Jose had to wake him up, he didn't know what to do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 12:59:55 PM
baez objects and then looks to mumbles in order for him to come up with a reason for the objection. Good grief.

Noticed that too.

"Mason, tell the Judge why we object."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: MuffyBee on June 04, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
STATE redirect just destroyed Baez entire questioning of witness.

Baez tried the lame approach that smell in trunk of one date not the same as a later one.

However, car was stored the entire time in one location and under seal. No soup for you baez.

(Bolded by me)

ITA Red.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
baez objects and then looks to mumbles in order for him to come up with a reason for the objection. Good grief.

haha then Mason waved for him to sit down and says we have no objections  ::MonkeyHaHa::

After Bozo sais we certainly would object


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
Mumbles is now complaining that the last witness used the term "trash" like the witness did yesterday rather than "garbage" and is insinuating that the two witnesses has spoken and broken the rule of sequestration.  Is he serious?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: west941 on June 04, 2011, 01:01:28 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.

How can this be legal?
I didn't think phones were allowed ON in court.

I didn't either, the state never looks at their phones that I can see.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 01:01:31 PM
I see that guy...the black man who thinks KC is innocent. At least, I think it's him. He's looking on very attentively.

now that scares me..he is a full box of fruit loops all by himself...he would IMO be someone who would scream out something from the gallery.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Northern Rose on June 04, 2011, 01:01:57 PM
KC just stuck her boobies out at Bobo .  ICK!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
OOOoooo....interesting no hearing on the medical records of George Anthony...things that make you go hmmm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 01:03:05 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image42-4.png)

Recess until 9 AM Monday morning.

No hearing today on the CD of George's hospital records.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 01:03:26 PM
OOOoooo....interesting no hearing on the medical records of George Anthony...things that make you go hmmm

Hmmmm. Strange.  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 01:03:38 PM
baez objects and then looks to mumbles in order for him to come up with a reason for the objection. Good grief.

Noticed that too.

"Mason, tell the Judge why we object."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 01:03:51 PM
OOOoooo....interesting no hearing on the medical records of George Anthony...things that make you go hmmm

Yes! What happened with that? Did they withdraw it, also? I didn't hear anything about it. Maybe Lippman filed a motion that must be heard first?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 01:04:16 PM
OOOoooo....interesting no hearing on the medical records of George Anthony...things that make you go hmmm

Ugh, I know.  I hate this secrecy sometimes.  Somebody should have said something.

Maybe Lippman will say something.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Casey looks like she wants to take a nap.
She looks tired... I know I would be bored to death.
She prob ask herself everyday "why did I kill Caylee"
"I could be partying right now" me me me...
I don't think she asks herself why she killed Caylee.....she asks why she didn't do a better job of covering it up. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 01:04:46 PM
I see that guy...the black man who thinks KC is innocent. At least, I think it's him. He's looking on very attentively.

now that scares me..he is a full box of fruit loops all by himself...he would IMO be someone who would scream out something from the gallery.

Sunny, I can't say for sure it was him. But it sure did look like him. So, I dunno. Anyone else see?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 01:04:57 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/flirt10.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: monkalicious on June 04, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Gotta run, see you all later...no medical records hearing?  I'll bet Lippmann had something to say about those... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-fbi-analyst-hair-car-trunk/story?id=13760229
Casey Anthony Trial: FBI Analyst Says Hair in Car Trunk Came From Dead Body
By JESSICA HOPPER and ASHLEIGH BANFIELD (@ABCAshleigh)
June 4, 2011

video at link.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 01:06:22 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.

How can this be legal?
I didn't think phones were allowed ON in court.
They can be on, but no sound is allowed to come from them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 01:06:37 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
Casey looks like she wants to take a nap.
She looks tired... I know I would be bored to death.
She prob ask herself everyday "why did I kill Caylee"
"I could be partying right now" me me me...
I don't think she asks herself why she killed Caylee.....she asks why she didn't do a better job of covering it up. 

I agree tupelo. I wonder if the only reason she moved Caylee was because the back yard was starting to smell and she didn't want her parents to smell it? I mean, I just don't know. I think she wishes Amy wouldn't have brought Cindy to Toni's that day. That's what I think.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 01:07:25 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

YEEHAW!  this just makes me happy, happy, happy!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 01:07:52 PM
::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Bozo looked at his phone to see if he had anymore questions. Amazing
I couldn't believe it, either.  I wonder if Linda Kenney-Baden was on the other end.

How can this be legal?
I didn't think phones were allowed ON in court.

From: NINTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURTROOM DECORUM POLICY

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image45-2.png)

(I took this from the .pdf I saved. I am sure it is at the court's website.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/04/hair-showing-decomposition-similar-to-caylees-fbi-tech-testifies/
June 4, 2011
Hair showing decomposition similar to Caylee's, FBI tech testifies
Posted: 12:57 PM ET

(CNN) - A hair sample that shows evidence decomposition was similar to that of Casey Anthony's 2-year-old daughter, Caylee, an FBI evidence analyst testified at the Orlando woman's trial Saturday.

Investigators found hair in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car that prosecutors plan to claim could have come only from a decomposing body.

A crime scene investigator, the operator of a towing company and members of Anthony's family all say they smelled a bad odor coming from Anthony's car after it was found abandoned in a parking lot on June 27, 2008 and towed four days later.

Caylee was last reported seen by her family on June 16, 2008, but no one alerted police until July 15, 2008 - after Anthony's mother tracked Casey Anthony down and demanded answers.

Anthony, 25, is charged with seven counts in Caylee's death, including first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse and misleading police. If convicted, she could face the death penalty.

Prosecutors say she used chloroform on her daughter and then put duct tape on her nose and mouth to suffocate her. She has pleaded not guilty and has denied harming her daughter or having anything to do with the girl's disappearance.

The Orlando woman's attorneys argue Caylee drowned in the family pool on June 16, 2008. They say Anthony and her father panicked and covered up the death. George Anthony denied the claim during his testimony last week.

READ MORE http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/04/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html#


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 01:08:26 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!

The audience is not laughing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 01:08:54 PM
Well, what a let down.  I was so hoping to see Jose get another smack down over those medical records.  Strange how not one mention was made of the hearing being canceled.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
Mumbles is now complaining that the last witness used the term "trash" like the witness did yesterday rather than "garbage" and is insinuating that the two witnesses has spoken and broken the rule of sequestration.  Is he serious?

If a lawyer retires before someone can try to disbar him, what can he be gotten with instead? Mason cannot walk away from this unscathed.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 01:11:12 PM
Well, what a let down.  I was so hoping to see Jose get another smack down over those medical records.  Strange how not one mention was made of the hearing being canceled.

Yeah. Last we heard, CJP said Saturday at 1 for that. Must have been discussed in chambers or something, because we certainly weren't privy to whatever caused it to not take place.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 01:14:23 PM
So, this trial has been going on 21 days with jury selection thrown in. 

State has had 2 weeks so far and plan another 2 weeks, to end by the 17th, give or take a day.

Then, the putz's get to put on their charade.  How long would we expect their lies to go on for, 2 weeks?

Then, if she is found guily, there is the penalty phase where each side again presents witnesses to give evidence, where each side will be objecting left and right, and how long could that go on for?

We are looking at at least 6 more weeks before a resolution to this, if she is found guilty of course? 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on June 04, 2011, 01:16:59 PM
Well, what a let down.  I was so hoping to see Jose get another smack down over those medical records.  Strange how not one mention was made of the hearing being canceled.

Yeah. Last we heard, CJP said Saturday at 1 for that. Must have been discussed in chambers or something, because we certainly weren't privy to whatever caused it to not take place.
Didn't someone say that the day GA's medical records was brought up that the defense went into a room where CJBP goes into?  This happened at the end of the trial and I think ICA stayed at the defense table.  Not sure about this as I saw one post and then nothing else.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 01:17:08 PM
I was trying to see how long OJs case was, cause I don't remember it being that long, but according to Wiki, it lasted 9 months.  Was the jury sequestered for 9 months?

The O. J. Simpson murder case (officially called the People v. Simpson) was a criminal trial held in Los Angeles County, California Superior Court from January 29 to October 3, 1995, in which former American football star and actor O. J. Simpson was tried on two counts of murder following the June 1994 deaths of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman. The case has been described as the most publicized criminal trial in American history.[1] Simpson was acquitted[2] after a lengthy trial that lasted over nine months.[
 ::snipping2::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Buckeye on June 04, 2011, 01:17:42 PM
I believe, to have medical records submitted, the source of the record would need to testify to the accuracy.  Either the original record would need to be subpoenaed or a deposition taken as to accuracy.

Even if George gave them a copy of something, he could have altered it.  They would need to obtain their own copy or provide testimony as to the accuracy and source of the report.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Wyks on June 04, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
http://twitter.com/CFNews13Casey

CFNews13Casey
 
Jury smirks when Judge Perry talks sternly to Baez.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cece5300 on June 04, 2011, 01:20:56 PM
*sigh* Knowing Bozo, he'll drag it out for as long as possible.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 04, 2011, 01:25:21 PM
*sigh* Knowing Bozo, he'll drag it out for as long as possible.

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 01:25:28 PM
I see that guy...the black man who thinks KC is innocent. At least, I think it's him. He's looking on very attentively.

now that scares me..he is a full box of fruit loops all by himself...he would IMO be someone who would scream out something from the gallery.
"TOUCAN SAM for PRESIDENT!"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:26:49 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe asked for a vacuum sample of car for more hairs. She says more hair would have made her case stronger. She only has one.
2 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez: you had doubts? Lowe: No
4 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Lowe looks at jury when she answers both state and defense questions.4 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Baez trying to prove nothing is definite in hair sampling. Lowe seems to agree. No certainty. But characteristics are present.
6 minutes ago
BBM, she looks at the jury when it bolsters the State's case.

getting caught up!

I know it is respectful and I'm sure the jury appreciates it but it just looks silly to me.  It doesn't look natural at all.  I reminds me of guests on talk shows, news shows etc that are asked questions and look directly at the camera to answer instead of answering the "host".  I hate it.  Of course live in the court room it probably looks different - to me on tv looks goofy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 04, 2011, 01:27:11 PM
10:25 Sat June 4, 2011 Court is in session:

Recess is over......

JBP is asking Baez about a paper called "Strengthening Forensic Science", Baez wants to use it but JBP said that it may or may not be a learned treatise.  Baez is citing law or trying to.  Showing that law to Jeff Ashton.  Baez is reading to fast and JBP tells him to slow down.  Baez is reading something into the record that hair analysis is unreliable.  JBP tells Baez that she did not say it was identical, she said it was similar.  She testified to this already.  Jeff Ashton wants this to be proffered cuz it makes no sense.  JBP wants to take it through the numbers with the witness, this is no different than what she testified to in her direct examination.  He is schooling Baez and told him you didn't even have this with you to ask her about it, now you do.  JBP says lets get her back in here and ask her about it.  JBP seems to be very tired of Baez but coping.

Karen Lowe is returning to witness stand........

Baez asks her if she is familiar with this report?  She says yes.  The Natl Academy of Science is respected and started by Congress?  Yes.  To give guidance on the scientific community on how to do things?  Well, it can but it is not all scientific, so yes and no.  Are you aware of the criticisms in this report about microscopic hair analysis?  Yes but some of it is not qualified and she agrees with some of it and not all of it.  You can't identify someone by their hair alone?  No.  JBP says did your lab try to do that? she says No.  Are you familiar with a forensic analyst by the name of Michael Malone?  Yes.  Are you familiar with the Gates case?  Yes.  A  man was convicted on Mr. Malone's hair testimony and this conviction was later overturned?  Yes.  It was overturned later by mitro DNA.  His testimony was correct according to you?  If he said the hairs were microscopically similar to the evidence.  You would agree with that?  Objection.  JBP is telling Baez not to even go any further.  Ashton asks would you say this is a scientific treatise but not basically written in stone?  Baez is asking her about another study, about accuracy rate of hair comparisons and Mitro DNA.  She doesn't agree, she has said a lot of times now that hair comparisons cannot be 100 percent.  Jeff says your honor the proffered statements of this examination have not gone against it, it has agreed with it.  This witness hasn't said there was an identification in this case.  He can't impeach her on what she hasn't said.  JBP is getting angry, he says I have made myself abundantly clear and Mr Baez heard me..........Baez is whimpering about I will not use other cases.  Baez is making no sense at all to me at this point.  I think the judge is lost too.

Returning the jury..........

Karen Lowe is back on the witness stand...

Baez is up.......

Ms Lowe we were discussing the history of hair analysis and then the Congressional report?  Yes.  It tried to look for a better way to introduce forensic science in the courtroom?  Yes.  You find this paper, authoritative?  Yes.  They were critical of hair analysis?  The criticism is about something they already do not do.  They use DNA.  They use nuclear DNA, instead of Mitro DNA.  Cindy, Casey and Caylee all have the same Mitro DNA?  Sustained.  That is the reason why one hair comes from one individual and  this was a problem the NES report saw in 2009?  Yes, they suggested doing DNA with hair.  This is the first time you have testified in banding in hair?  Yes.  Are you an expert in it?  My training experience gives me my knowledge and my on the job training and 4 papers on it.  You don't know what causes post mortem banding?  No.  You don't know when it develops?  No, it varies.  Not everyone who is deceased has post mortem root banding?  Yes.  You don't know how often hair banding comes up in deceased people?  No.  The testimony you have given here today is based on your training and on the job training using opinion?  Yes that together with all I know about it.  You really can't testify on this specific topic of post mortem banding?  I testified on what I know for sure, there was post mortem root banding on the hair in this case.  You have never rendered an opinion on an unknown person having a single root banding? No.  You requested more hairs?  Yes, I wanted more hairs.  You stated that if they found more than one hair with root banding it would make it a stronger case?  No.  I just wanted to know it was from a body and not some other random possibility what caused the root banding.  You wanted more hairs for no reason what so ever?  Sustained.  You did actually get more hairs?  I did.  When was the next time you got some hairs?  Refers to report.  Baez says never mind, we will start with your first report, you were given more hairs in your first report?  Yes.  These hairs had different characteristics?  Yes.  Throughout all the other hairs there were no decomp hairs?  Yes.  You did another report on more hairs on Aug 6th report?  None of those hairs had decomp.  After that you did another report on Aug 13th?  Sustained items not in evidence.  You did another report on Oct 6th you were given multiple items and vacuum sweepings?  None of the hairs had decomp.  You did a report on Oct 15th, correct?  Yes.  What did you find?  No hair with decomp.  You did a report on Oct 21? Yes. What did you find?  No hair with decomp.  Nov 6th you were given more items from the trash bag? Yes. What did you find?  No hair with decomp.  You did a report on June 25, 2009, of the items found in the car, what did you find?  Sustained.  Jeff wants to know which items?  Q319 through Q337 what did you find?  No hair with apparent decomp were found.  Where there any other items we have not discussed?  Yes.  What were your findings?  No hair with apparent decomp.  So after you tried to find more hairs to make your case stronger, LE helped you.  You couldn't make the case stronger?  Sustained.  Where there any other hairs that showed signs of decomp?  No, not from the car.  You still can't say that one hair was from a dead person?  No, not one 100 percent but it had the characteristics of post mortem banding.  There are no standards of what post mortem root banding?  Right it is my opinion.  There are no error rates as to the identification of this banding?  That is correct.  When did you first examine this hair, Q12?  July 21, 2008.  When you do these inspections the post mortem root banding should be at the root?  Yes.  This hair banding was not at the root, it was slightly above it?  Objection, side bar.........

Side bar over..........

Baez is up..........the pic you took of the Q12 hair, you never showed it to this jury?  Objection, item not in evidence.  Rephrase the question...ma'am at looking at that photo can you see where the band is?  I would like to look at it under a microscope.  Is that why you don't feel comfortable not showing this jury the photo?  Sustained, impeachment.  Ms Lowe, would you say that it is difficult to view a pic to view the characteristics of a hair but you wouldn't be able to capture the changes?  So it is difficult to know where the root ends in a photo?  Can be, depends on the hair.  Knowing these difficulties you still brought photos to show the jury?  Yes, because they showed root banding.  These articles you read don't come with hairs, they come with photos?  Yes.  Did you fail your first proficiency test?  Yes.  After your depo was taken your lab developed a study............objection relevance...Side Bar.....

Side bar over.........

JBP asks the name of this study?  Jeff Ashton says the study doesn't have a name, it is being done by Steven Shaw.  JBP asks her if any of her testimony has to do with this study of Steven Shaw?  She says no.  Objection sustained. 

Recess for 5 minutes............

Recess is over.........

Baez is up...........

Karen Lowe on witness stand:

Ms Lowe did you go to meetings on trying to reinforce that post mortem root bandings exist?  No, I think the most we will ever go to is that the hair came from a dead body.  You saw this hair and the root banding?  Yes.  At the time you examined this hair you didn't know who it belonged to?  I thought it was similar to a hair from a hair brush belonging to Caylee.  Were you told this brush belonged only to Caylee?  Yes.  Baez asked if she knew of anything to do with the brush being used by others? Objection.....sustained.  The little girl was still missing at this time?  Yes.  You can actually do nuclear DNA if you have a root?  Yes.  You have this hair with a root and you didn't send it for nuclear DNA?  Yes, there was no tissue on the root.  You are not the one to make that call?  Yes I am, I send it to Mitro or Nuclear DNA, sometimes I will ask the DNA examiner if they think it could have nuclear DNA.  So now we can say that the hair belonged to Caylee, Cindy, Casey or Cindy's mother?  Yes.  Finding hairs in a trunk is not that uncommon?  Yes, you shed up to 100 hairs per day.  If you shed a hair from one person to another that is called transfer? Right.  There is also something called secondary transfer? Yes.  You would want to know if this came from primary or secondary transfer? Not exactly.  Don't you want to know how a hair got there?  Depends.

Jeff Ashton up................

Are the standards you use long existent with FBI policy?  Yes, there is an accompanying statement, that it is not positive without DNA, it is just based on characteristics.  Was the hair with decomp an anagen hair or a tillagen hair?  It was an anagen hair.  Mitro DNA will have the same maternal line? Yes.  Did you eliminate the victim's mother as a suspect of the decomp root?  Yes.  It could have come from another maternal relative that had 9inch light brown hair?  Yes.  Was the decomp hair treated in anyway?  No.  Her hair in the hairbrush did not have a root band?  Yes.  The hair banding you found in the Q12 decomp hair and the hair you found of Caylee's hairbrush, the decomp was not something found in the hair from the hairbrush?  No.

Baez up..........
You don't know the treatments of Casey's hair?  Yes.  At then end of the day you can't say that Q12 came from a dead body?  No, it just had characteristics of a decomp hair.

Witness is Mike Vincent..............

Linda is up, he is the CSI for Orange County Sheriff's office.  He has a lot of prior LE experience.  He served in the Air force for 8 years as LE.  He has been in CSI with LE for 30 years. He is the assistant supervisor of Geraldo Bloise.  In July, 2008 he was the asst. supervisor of Geraldo Bloise.  He assisted with the examination of the Pontiac Sun Fire.  He initially collected stain samples for blood on the trunk liner, they came out negative.  He also collected air samples and piece of the trunk liner and put them in tin cans.  The collection of air samples began on July 21, 2008, he was assisted by people from the University of Florida.  He is telling the jury how air sample collecting began.  They tried to suck the air out of the trunk with a syringe then transferred the air into 2 teflar bags.  He also hung a filter to absorb the air, they performed the procedure, he watched.  The samples were sent to Oakridge Labs in Tennessee.  She is showing the witness a package, he notes his seal and his initials.  The tefflar bag  is sealed inside the brown envelope.  Did you also cut a sample of the stain from the trunk liner?  Yes.  Linda hands him a tin can and he recognizes it with his initials and seal and date, 7-22-08.  That item in the can, did you send it to Oakridge Labs?  Yes, it was shipped there.  On July 23, 2008, did you observe another attempt to collect air samples?  Yes.  How did it differ?  It was done by Dr. Sigmund, he put in a filter in the trunk and left it there for 30 minutes, then sealed it.  She hands him an envelope and he recognizes it as his initials and seal, the date is July 23, 2008.  Once it was collected and sealed and sent to Oakridge Labs in Tennessee.  On August 29th, did you conduct another examination to collect samples from it?  Yes.  Prior to doing this did you receive equipment to do this collection?  Yes, Dr Vass sent me a portable air pump and 9 test tubes and instructions on how to collect the air samples.  Did you use this equipment on the trunk? Yes on Aug 29th and Aug 30th.  He is explaining the air pump and the test tubes for the jury, he is explaining how it all worked.  He attaches the pump to the test tubes and then collected samples from the trunk and the forensic bay itself.  She handing him envelopes as a group, he is looking at all the envelopes, he recognizes them all because they have his label and his unit evidence tape.  He put all of these in another envelope and sealed and initialed that envelope.  Hands him one envelope, it is from the passenger side of the car, the collection process took 69 minutes.  Next one is passenger are and it took 69 minutes.  Next one is from the trash bag on Aug 30th, took 72 minutes.  Next one was inside the trunk, shut the trunk and let the pump run 69 minutes.  Next one passenger area, took 69 minutes.  Next one was air in the garage, it lasted 77 minutes on Aug 30th.  The next one is a blank one, that was shipped clean to check for contamination of the others.  Next one was from the air in the garage on Aug 30th, for 77 minutes, shipped to Dr. Vass.  Did you collect items from the wheel well and send them to Oakridge, Yes.  She hands him envelope, he recognizes it as a substance on the inside tire well, it was scraped off, it was sent to Dr Vass, the initials on the seal are Geraldo Bloise.  Did you collect other pieces of the stain on the spare tire cover on Oct 8th?  Yes.  Did you also collect pieces of the spare tire cover that were not stained?  Yes as a control. Hands him a can, it is sealed and initialed by him, it was sent to oakridge, it is a 6 inch by 6 inch stain of the spare tire cover.  Hands him a can, it is labeled by him, it is 2 and half by 2 inch spare tire cover. Which was the control piece?  The smaller one.  Did you collect hair standards and buccal swabs from Cindy, George and Lee? On Oct 7, 2008. Yes. Are these samples collected in the same fashion from each person?  Yes, he did the buccal swabs and the hair swabs all the same.  Hair was pulled with tweezers or the person will pull them out with their fingers. 
Linda hands them envelopes, first one is 2 buccal swabs from Cindy, next, 2 buccal swabs from George, next 2 buccal swabs from Lee.  They all went into sealed boxes into a sealed envelope, initialed by him.  Next envelope, one petri dish of hairs from George, next is one petri dish of hairs from Lee, next is one petri dish of hairs from Cindy. They were all sealed and initialed by him.  Did you examine gas cans?  Yes.  Showing him a pic of the metal red gas can with his info.  It is introduced into evidence and published to the jury.  Did you change or alter the gas can between the time you collected it and took a pic of it? No. Then he swabbed it for DNA and fingerprints, then returned the item to the Anthony's on Aug 13th at 1103 hours to Cindy.  It had no DNA or fingerprints.  Linda is introducing hair and buccal standards into evidence.  Linda is done........

Baez is up........

When you processed the car on July 17, 2008, you tested for blood?  Yes.  That was caught on TV, right?  The test for blood was not on TV.  Just the bay the car was in was on TV?  When you tested with Blue Star were the cameras there?  I don't know.  Lots of stupid questions about how the media got there.  All sustained.  This is the very first time you have taken air samples?  Yes, I had never heard of it being done.  This was for you an experiment?  No, it was new but I wouldn't call it an experiment.  There were multiple tries to collect air samples? Yes.  You did it more than once because you couldn't do it right?  No.  They weren't being done by me.  You were part of this process right?  Yes, I observed.  First there was the syringe then the carbon filters then you got sent the little pump by Dr. Vass?  Yes.  The problem you had with air samples is that is air is free flowing right?  I don't know what you mean.  Was the air on different days, different air?  Yes.  Do you have any info of the air on this car on June 16, 2008? No.  Did you sample the air in the Anthony garage?  No.  The dumpster where this car was by for 3 weeks? No.  You attempted to get samples of the bay?  Yes.  To compare them to the air in the car?  What?  The forensic bay air is evidence in this case?  Yes.  Baez is making no sense but I am trying.  The reason you took other samples from places other than the trunk was to compare the samples to the trunk?  Correct, OK.  The problem is you took this on Aug 29, 2008, you didn't take it July 16th for air that was free flowing?  Correct.  So this air shouldn't be compared to the air in the trunk?  I don't understand your question.  Objection...Sustained.  You also sampled the trash air?  Yes.  You didn't take this on July 16th you took it on Aug 29th?  There was a significant difference of the air on July 16th and the air on Aug 29th?  I don't know.  Was the trash immediately taken to the dry room?  I don't know.  Showing him defense Exhibit C, not admitted to evidence.  Does this look like the trash when you first got it?  I don't know.  Do you see a difference in the trash in the other picture?  Yes.  Why was it put in the dry room?  I don't know you would have to ask Bloise.  You are his supervisor though right?  Yes but I don't know why he put it there.  With your common knowledge of being a human being that has trash and dealt with trash all your life, the odor would be significantly different if it was wet or dry?  Yes, the smell would be different.  When you took the air sample of the trash on Aug 29th the trash was dry?  That is possible, the trash was stored in a brown box.  The trash wasn't wet when you took the air sample, right?  Yes.  Showing the witness the metal pic gas can.  Linda wants him to lay a predicate that is the same gas can.  It is.  When you got the gas can, it is metal and had some gas dripping?  It was completely dry.  Pointing to an area, is that showing wetness?  No, it was dry.  You processed this can for fingerprints, did it have any?  No.  Wants to know if it has been wiped down?  It did not appear to have any fingerprints.  Baez is done....

Linda is up.....

The gas can was pointed out and he retrieved it using gloves, he took possession of it and carried it by it's handle.  The Pontiac Sun Fire where was it stored between July 15th and Aug 29th when you took those samples?  In the secured bay.  Did it ever smell any different?  No, it did not diminish in smell.  Was the garbage stored separately from the car the entire time?  Yes, it was.  Linda is done.

Witness is excused.

Judge is excusing the jury.  He is telling them he has worked out the kinks with the restaurant #1 and he is trying to work out the kinks in restaurant #2.  The hamburgers should be working out, lol.

JBP asking anything else, Linda says that an issue has arisen, they want computer forensic people to be exempted from the rule of sequestration so they can talk to them.  They want to talk to them for a limited purpose.  Baez says is this a person not on the witness list?  Mason says, you want a new consultant for what?  Linda says I have a new consultant working with me that will have to talk to the witnesses for a limited purpose.  She wants a 3 way conversation instead of relaying it down the grapevine.  Defense doesn't object, JBP allows it.  Linda did it the right way.  Mason says this last witness talks about trash like Geraldo and wants to know if they broke the rule of sequestration?  JBP says people use trash and garbage interchangeably.  Could also be called refuse or waste management.
They will have a matter in his hearing at 830am Mon morning but they won't be involved in that.

Court is in recess till 9am Monday morning.................


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 01:29:27 PM
*sigh* Knowing Bozo, he'll drag it out for as long as possible.

 ::rhino::



You right.
Once the trial is ended, he'll hit the bricks....poof. ::boxingbaez::
However after hearing about yesterday at break time, going out to have his pic's taken......guess there's always someone 4 every seat, so to speak...
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 01:31:39 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:31:46 PM
Mumbles is now complaining that the last witness used the term "trash" like the witness did yesterday rather than "garbage" and is insinuating that the two witnesses has spoken and broken the rule of sequestration.  Is he serious?

If a lawyer retires before someone can try to disbar him, what can he be gotten with instead? Mason cannot walk away from this unscathed.  ::MonkeyMad::

We say trash at my house!  (except my 2 year old that says traff)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 01:32:29 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 01:32:54 PM
She always ends her day with a special good bye to Bezzz
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/flirtt10.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 01:33:01 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::

Indeed!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/MonkeyGuys/thumbs.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 01:35:45 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::

Indeed!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/MonkeyGuys/thumbs.gif)

Very helpful!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 04, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image35-3.png)

Don't have any answers to your question, but posted this in case anyone else does.

(Have a good weekend, monkeys! I am outta here for a while)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 01:38:52 PM
Mumbles is now complaining that the last witness used the term "trash" like the witness did yesterday rather than "garbage" and is insinuating that the two witnesses has spoken and broken the rule of sequestration.  Is he serious?

If a lawyer retires before someone can try to disbar him, what can he be gotten with instead? Mason cannot walk away from this unscathed.  ::MonkeyMad::

We say trash at my house!  (except my 2 year old that says traff)

It is garbage for us. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 01:38:55 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::

Indeed!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/MonkeyGuys/thumbs.gif)

Very helpful!   ::MonkeySlide::

Tks........ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4 Donks on June 04, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image35-3.png)

Don't have any answers to your question, but posted this in case anyone else does.

(Have a good weekend, monkeys! I am outta here for a while)

That is Barret  sp? the mitigation specialist.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:42:50 PM
Mumbles is now complaining that the last witness used the term "trash" like the witness did yesterday rather than "garbage" and is insinuating that the two witnesses has spoken and broken the rule of sequestration.  Is he serious?

If a lawyer retires before someone can try to disbar him, what can he be gotten with instead? Mason cannot walk away from this unscathed.  ::MonkeyMad::

We say trash at my house!  (except my 2 year old that says traff)

It is garbage for us. 

I was reading Magic's recaps (thank you by the way!) and BAEZ says TRASH!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
baez objects and then looks to mumbles in order for him to come up with a reason for the objection. Good grief.

Noticed that too.

"Mason, tell the Judge why we object."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
"what he said"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 01:46:39 PM
Bozo is dragging this out as long as possible because he knows when it's over he'll be back to being a nobody fool chasing ambulances (if he still is allowed to practice law).  He's going to stretch his 15 minutes out as long as he can.
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image35-3.png)

Don't have any answers to your question, but posted this in case anyone else does.

(Have a good weekend, monkeys! I am outta here for a while)

That is Barret  sp? the mitigation specialist.
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Defense mitigation specialist Jeanine Barrett in gallery
I think that is her there is a pic of her at the

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1220&start=50

page 2


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:49:55 PM
Bozo is dragging this out as long as possible because he knows when it's over he'll be back to being a nobody fool chasing ambulances (if he still is allowed to practice law).  He's going to stretch his 15 minutes out as long as he can.
 ::justice2NJ::

Yep you got it!  Or of course could be the last case he is involved in (please oh please)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 01:51:08 PM
Forgive me for asking. But I see where you guys are saying ty to magic for all the hard work.can I get in on that cause I don't know where is is posted at. Sorry I am so ashamed. But I just don't know :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 01:51:22 PM
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28131185/detail.html
Day 10: Death Band, Air Samples
FBI Expert Testifies On Hair Sample
POSTED: 12:31 pm EDT June 4, 2011
UPDATED: 1:02 pm EDT June 4, 2011


Video at link.
ORLANDO, Fla. -- In groundbreaking yet technical testimony, an FBI analyst testified Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial that a hair sample found in Casey's trunk shows signs of decomposition.

Investigators found hair in the trunk of Anthony's car. Prosecutors claim the hair could only have come from a decomposing body.

Post-mortem root banding, the scientific name for the phenomenon, has never been used as evidence in a Florida criminal trial until the Anthony case.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28131185/detail.html#ixzz1OKZ8pdbB


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 01:53:02 PM
Forgive me for asking. But I see where you guys are saying ty to magic for all the hard work.can I get in on that cause I don't know where is is posted at. Sorry I am so ashamed. But I just don't know :)
::HelloKitty:: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10231.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 01:54:10 PM
Forgive me for asking. But I see where you guys are saying ty to magic for all the hard work.can I get in on that cause I don't know where is is posted at. Sorry I am so ashamed. But I just don't know :)


On the first page of every thread klaas has the link to Magic Eyes recaps.....it is posted along with the links to all the live streams etc.
It is a Godsend for working monkeys and others who just simply miss things during the course of the trial.
Thanks again Magic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:54:29 PM
Forgive me for asking. But I see where you guys are saying ty to magic for all the hard work.can I get in on that cause I don't know where is is posted at. Sorry I am so ashamed. But I just don't know :)

It is user id "Magic Eyes" and is awesome!  She posts in the threads just like we do but it is a summary of what's going on.  check out the last one which is #814 a page or two back from this one.  She recaps for everyone throughout and posts in that days forum!  LOVE it!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 04, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
Forgive me for asking. But I see where you guys are saying ty to magic for all the hard work.can I get in on that cause I don't know where is is posted at. Sorry I am so ashamed. But I just don't know :)


On the first page of every thread klaas has the link to Magic Eyes recaps.....it is posted along with the links to all the live streams etc.
It is a Godsend for working monkeys and others who just simply miss things during the course of the trial.
Thanks again Magic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ::MonkeyKiss::

oh forgot about that sorry - I just read "as I go".  Page by Page.  I don't want to miss anyone's posts.  I've learned alot from everyone - I came in "late".


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
I grabbed this shot of Casey looking at a cellphone this morning.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5271/5796569692_1b98dc161d_o.jpg)

When I zoomed in it became much clearer  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/5796799705_b1958ca2d8_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
I grabbed this shot of Casey looking at a cellphone this morning.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5271/5796569692_1b98dc161d_o.jpg)

When I zoomed in it became much clearer  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/5796799705_b1958ca2d8_b.jpg)

Is that for real.....sm???
It's probably this..... ::boxingcasey:: ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 04, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
I grabbed this shot of Casey looking at a cellphone this morning.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5271/5796569692_1b98dc161d_o.jpg)

When I zoomed in it became much clearer  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/5796799705_b1958ca2d8_b.jpg)
::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 02:03:08 PM
Oh ok thanks everyone for the answer to my question imma check it out for sure :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 02:04:23 PM
No, it's not for real ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: GabbyG on June 04, 2011, 02:07:39 PM
Hey Monkeys, just wanted to chime in and let you all know I am here with you. Our Caylee is FINALLY having HER day in court!! Catching up now, spending most of my time either with my mouth hanging open or wiping tears away. With all my heart I believe justice WILL prevail. Thank you all for your faithfullness to this precious child. Love to you all and to Caylee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 02:07:56 PM
omg are you serious..is that real??? they were on sm?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 02:08:29 PM
No, it's not for real ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: It could also have been 1-800-ASK-A LAWYER


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/04/is-this-pamplona-boston-or-orlando-the-running-of-the-casey-anthony-murder-trial-spectators-to-get-a-seat-yikes-video/

Is This Pamplona, Boston or Orlando? The Running of the Casey Anthony Murder Trial Spectators to Get a Seat … YIKES! (VIDEO)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 02:11:13 PM
omg are you serious..is that real??? they were on sm?

NO, not for real, it is a photoshop, I did it, it is NOT real.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: O4Bull on June 04, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
I wish that someone would show her pics of her attorney arm in arm with females, posing outside the courthouse, smiling and enjoying his "fame".  That'd piss her off.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 04, 2011, 02:12:51 PM
Hi monkeys, I am back in the forum now and have read all your posts.  Love all of your comments and screen-caps Brandi as usual you catch all the perfect pictures.  ::MonkeyKiss::

So glad this is a half day, I love listening and typing but it is really hard when Baez talks.  I type by listening and he never finishes a sentence or a question and he says "and" before each one.  He changes his questions half way through and I have to start all over.  I truly think he must be making the jurors hate him as much as his client.  He is so rude and doesn't have a clue how to run a trial.  As much as I love Judge Perry, I wish he would quit helping Baez, like a child.  It is his case and he needs to do it.  His little Perry Mason moments are laughable, does he really think anyone with an IQ in the double digits would be impressed?  If I didn't detest him so much, I would feel embarrassed for him.  I love when Jeff and Linda are up, they know what they are gonna say and ask and always know what the answer is going to be.  I can't wait for Dr. Vass, I adore his accent and I think the jury will think he is "cool". lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 02:24:09 PM
Lol that was funny klass :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 02:24:33 PM
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/256799/Day-10:-Hair-and-air-take-center-stage-in-Case-Against-Casey
Day 10: Hair and air take center stage in Case Against Casey
(http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-car-0604.jpg)
By Adam Longo and Amanda Evans, Team Coverage
Last Updated: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:39 PM
ORLANDO --

Day 10 of the Casey Anthony murder trial was a “hairy” day for the defense.

FBI forensic scientist Karen Lowe took to the stand Saturday and testified about the microscopic details of hair.

The defense was ready to challenge this science along with the air samples, which were both presented by the prosecution Saturday.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 02:35:47 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 02:42:25 PM
Quote from: Red link=topic=10281.msg1377977# ::monkeywine2::msg1377977 date=1307206492
STATE redirect just destroyed Baez entire questioning of witness.

Baez tried the lame approach that smell in trunk of one date not the same as a later one.

However, car was stored the entire time in one location and under seal. No soup for you baez.

Amen, and didn't take long either!

Witnesses have to keep correcting Baez! He is so disorganized it drives me crazy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 02:42:40 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-why-has-america-been-riveted-by-the-trial.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: Why has America been riveted by the trial?
Quote
Body language expert Susan Constantine, on WOFL, said a few jurors have been checking out from the start, some are attentive and one is always leaning forward, suggesting a zealous approach to taking in the information.  Constantine said she was afraid one juror was going to fall out of the chair, and another was falling asleep in court, yet others were cocking their heads to better hear testimony.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 02:46:53 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
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When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 02:47:37 PM
Baez is obnoxious to the max.
And rude!! He always trust to put down the witness and taunt them. Lithe FBI lady, he said "let me use one of your words " ugghhh he makes he sick.

Joke is on him though. He thinks everyone is stupid but him!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
I wish that someone would show her pics of her attorney arm in arm with females, posing outside the courthouse, smiling and enjoying his "fame".  That'd piss her off.
Yea..  can we post one here?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 02:51:59 PM
omg are you serious..is that real??? they were on sm?

NO, not for real, it is a photoshop, I did it, it is NOT real.  ::MonkeyCool::
Klaas you are a very bad girl to get me excited like that  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.

In the states closing of this trial I hope this is used like both you guys said it.
Clean, direct, done deal.

btw, I think either Linda or Jeff could do the closing.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 02:56:17 PM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image24-4.png)
Thanks Brandi.  What could be so important in his life that he is constantly hold that cell, even when addressing the Judge?  I really think someone is coaching him.

Just a little intuition here..But my guess is Linda Kenny Baden is on the other end of that phone call.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kermit on June 04, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/admirerpicwithcelebritylawyerFeb42011.jpg?t=1302456184)
Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez taking a photo with a fan of his outside the courthouse on Feb 4, 2011. Attorney Michelle Medina taking the photo.
link: http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=admirerpicwithcelebritylawyerFeb42011.jpg&currenttag=Casey%20Anthony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
KC just stuck her boobies out at Bobo .  ICK!
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/flirtt10.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

The jurors have to be seeing jose do this.
Maybe he keep notes there too.
Think you guys might be right, on the horn.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

To be technical, the witness said that it is "apparent" from a dead body. That while they haven't seen it from anything other than deceased bodies, they cannot conclusively say it was "only" from a dead body. Why Baez didn't jump all over that, I do not know.

That is the terminology they use (apparent) they do not say 100%.  But, she did say it has never been found anywhere else other than in a  hair from dead bodies...

This makes me believe that the hair on the duct tape was most likely pulled out while Casey was applying the duct tape in a furious fashion..pulling it tight and ripping some of the hair as she went.  Just awful to think of suffocating a toddler with duct tape..I still think she gave her a shot of Chloroform first to sedate her so she could apply the duct tape.

But this is the State's Case ..Caylee was alive when the duct tape was aplled to both her mouth and nose..no human could live through that.

No need for Casey to take the standnow..she can't disput the science behind this..whatevere she says now the jury will know she is lying.

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blink34 on June 04, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 03:12:44 PM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

She most likely ripped off someone's phone.
lol turbo! or credit card information.

Yes..she now has that rather hefty IRS bill of 68,000 smackeroos staring her in the face
 ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image35-3.png)

Don't have any answers to your question, but posted this in case anyone else does.

(Have a good weekend, monkeys! I am outta here for a while)

That is Barret  sp? the mitigation specialist.
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Defense mitigation specialist Jeanine Barrett in gallery
I think that is her there is a pic of her at the

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1220&start=50

page 2

I thought the mitigation specialist was much heavier.  Am I confusing mitigation specialists and there are more than 1?  The tupperware lady?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 03:18:03 PM
So, in essence, Bozo is pissed cause it cannot be 100% shown that that was Caylee's hair with a deathband on it?  Whose else could it be?  KC is alive and well. 

LOL..Which begs the question: 

How many dead people has yuor client transported in the trunk of her car?  What an idot..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/28131681/index.html
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 21
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked about day 21 of Casey Anthony's murder trial on Saturday. (06/04/11)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 03:26:48 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 03:27:29 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 
Thanks Blink.
Wonder if all her interview time on the networks is being billed to the Flda. taxpayers as consulting hours. 
I've seen her often and was not aware she was representing herself as anything but a pundit, even though her words are very slanted to the defense. 
I will listen more carefully next time she is introduced.  It seems fair the viewers should be told what her position is. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 03:28:22 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 

I think it's a scam, too.  Disgusting.  But it makes sense, BECAUSE I've been wondering why LKB is spending so much time on TV..obviously, she's getting paid for it.

Do you know if that's legal? I guess it is or it wouldn't be so obvious that he's hanging on to that cell phone like it's a life line. 
I saw LKB on TV last night and it was put to her that those jail house tapes were devastating to the defense yesterday.  I guess the defense got the picture. 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 03:32:41 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 03:34:08 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
I am so confused on this hair. I don't understand what was said today. I had to miss a lot. My son is sick today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 

I would think that any number of times KC may have moved Caylee...a movement could easily make a hair pull out.  Thank goodness she did, else we wouldn't have this hair.  We only got one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 03:46:53 PM
I am so confused on this hair. I don't understand what was said today. I had to miss a lot. My son is sick today.

Sorry your son is sick, I hate when kids are sick.  I get that horrible feeling in my tummy when they feel horrible, and when they hurt themselves.

The hair showed apparent characterisiics of having a death band which has not been shown to occur in living persons or any other scenario, AND, the hair was consistent with the hair they had from Caylee's hairbrush. BUT, because there was no tissue at the end of this hair, they could not do definitive DNA to prove it was Kaylee's hair, but another type of DNA could only show it could be hair from anybody on Caylee's mother's side of the family, and the only one dead at the moment is Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 

I would think that any number of times KC may have moved Caylee...a movement could easily make a hair pull out.  Thank goodness she did, else we wouldn't have this hair.  We only got one.

Yeah, that is what I am thinking.  Somehow she pulled it out while transporting Caylee from wherever she did to the trunk, out of the trunk to wherever, or what not.  Thank God is right. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 03:50:35 PM
Ty zoo. But what is all the talk about the hair was pulled out. Is that the hair that had the band on it? And where was the hair. On duct tape?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Buckeye on June 04, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
IIRC, the testimony today only related to hairs found in the car trunk, the car interior, the trash bag and a hair brush.

My guess would be that the analysis of hair, from the remains will be given later.  It will be interesting to know if there was banding that matched the banding on the hair in the trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mizjay on June 04, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 

I think it's a scam, too.  Disgusting.  But it makes sense, BECAUSE I've been wondering why LKB is spending so much time on TV..obviously, she's getting paid for it.

Do you know if that's legal? I guess it is or it wouldn't be so obvious that he's hanging on to that cell phone like it's a life line. 
I saw LKB on TV last night and it was put to her that those jail house tapes were devastating to the defense yesterday.  I guess the defense got the picture. 



No wonder the DT didn't cry foul too loud when Linda DB asked for a consultant. mason was giving his dismissive hand waves to the idea...they wouldn't pass up a major op for feet stamping and whining , I think maybe that's why....they're using their own "consultant" and the SAO  has confirmed it. jmho


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 

Thanks, sorry about that.    Maybe it got pulled out when ICA moved Caylee by catching on something.  Or maybe Casey put the duct tape on her after she had passed.
I think the expert said a death band can occur as early as 8 hours after death.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 03:57:35 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!

A laughing AZZ????      ::boxingbaez::

Kudos to all the monkeys  ::HelloKitty:: who sat through and listened to that azzhat.  I could not take it today.  I think he is ignorant and should be disbarred.  He has no heart or soul just like his client.  Not ONCE has that idiot said one nice word about Caylee.  Not once.  I needed a break from his badgering today...I appreciate being able to read through and stay on top of things!  I do not know how the jury is going to be able to handle him for another 6 weeks.  I'm not even there and I wanna kick him....along with his 'client'.  I bet he marries her.  Another day closer to Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 03:59:23 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!

A laughing AZZ????      ::boxingbaez::

Kudos to all the monkeys  ::HelloKitty:: who sat through and listened to that azzhat.  I could not take it today.  I think he is ignorant and should be disbarred.  He has no heart or soul just like his client.  Not ONCE has that idiot said one nice word about Caylee.  Not once.  I needed a break from his badgering today...I appreciate being able to read through and stay on top of things!  I do not know how the jury is going to be able to handle him for another 6 weeks.  I'm not even there and I wanna kick him....along with his 'client'.  I bet he marries her.  Another day closer to Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

He's a moron & the jury sees right through him!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
I am so confused on this hair. I don't understand what was said today. I had to miss a lot. My son is sick today.
Hope your son feels better soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Despite the relative newness of this science, I think the jury will conclude this hair places Caylee, after death, in Casey trunk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 04:07:32 PM
I am so confused on this hair. I don't understand what was said today. I had to miss a lot. My son is sick today.
Hope your son feels better soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Despite the relative newness of this science, I think the jury will conclude this hair places Caylee, after death, in Casey trunk.


I agree Can...btw... Hi!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: higherhopes on June 04, 2011, 04:07:42 PM
Boy, after today in court if I were Casey i would be calling for a mis trial on the grounds that my lawyer is just stoopid.......Jose' really showed what an ass he is today and also just how dumb he is,I wished when he made it a point to ask the witness about failing her test the first time she took it she could have asked him how many tests did he fail in Law school....bet there was plenty.  I cant stand that man and those things growing on the side of his head looks like side burns that grew out instead of down!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/04/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75323G20110604

Hair in Casey Anthony's trunk may be Caylee's: expert

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110604&t=2&i=428769520&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-06-04T190310Z_01_BTRE7531GXI00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)

(Reuters) - A single 9-inch-long brown hair found in the car trunk of accused child killer Casey Anthony could have been ripped from the dead body of her 2-year old daughter, an FBI expert testified on Saturday.


Wow....an actual tear.  Or did it come from her water bottle?   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
Boy, after today in court if I were Casey i would be calling for a mis trial on the grounds that my lawyer is just stoopid.......Jose' really showed what an ass he is today and also just how dumb he is,I wished when he made it a point to ask the witness about failing her test the first time she took it she could have asked him how many tests did he fail in Law school....bet there was plenty.  I cant stand that man and those things growing on the side of his head looks like side burns that grew out instead of down!



I think Casey  thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I also think that she truly believes she is going to walk away from this . I believe that she thinks her lies will get her out of it just as they have kept her from ever having to accept consequences for any other thing she has done in her life...jmo
I cannot wait to see her face when she is declared guilty!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 04:11:56 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/04/earlyshow/saturday/main20068955.shtml

June 4, 2011
Casey Anthony lying "off the scale": Analyst
But, criminologist asks, is she "good enough actress" to convince jurors she didn't kill daughter Caylee if she takes stand?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 04:13:20 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Sorry to quote myself but Western ******* are you absolutely sure no death band was found on the duct tape on Caylee's remains? I'll have to go back to read the FBI forensic reports. I'm wondering if tge hair that was found with the remains was just so degraded from the larvae & beetles eating it that it didn't show or something? Of course the hair roots wouldn't still be there if the larvae fed off of her. No tissue was found, if I remember right. I'm just confused as to how it can be said beyond a reasonable doubt that no death banding was found on hair attached to tge duct tape when we all know it was found still attached to the skull, attached tight enough to leave a tooth impression. I'm thinking the hair left attached was just so degraded due to insectae & the elements that the sample was compromised naturally & therefore didn't show anything.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 04, 2011, 04:14:06 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/04/fbi-expert-hair-in-car-trunk-consistent-with-dead-body/

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/06/04/hair-2.jpg)

FBI Expert: Hair In Car Trunk Consistent With Dead Body


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 04:14:22 PM
OMG, if I worked for Bozo and our defense exhibit table looked like that, I'd kick him in the small brain.

Rule #1 for trial: BE ORGANIZED! have everything you need laid out in the order in which you will use it.

Bobo, you're fired!

That was so ridiculous, Baez searching high and low for his own props!

He finally found one.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image40-3.png)

Thanks for the screen captures Brandi.

I did not get to watch this morning and this is very helpful.

LOL..Where's the 2 big calendars?  Why isn't he making the CSI witness write on them?

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 04:16:28 PM
Is Casey sleeping? Her heads been donwn now for quite sometime..

She most likely ripped off someone's phone.

Or their CHILD... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 

(bold by me)  That is how I understand it.  I could be wrong though.  If Bozo is trying to confuse the jury, it may work.  I'm confused as he!! and I didn't even watch that idiot today.   ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 04, 2011, 04:21:50 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Sorry to quote myself but Western ******* are you absolutely sure no death band was found on the duct tape on Caylee's remains? I'll have to go back to read the FBI forensic reports. I'm wondering if tge hair that was found with the remains was just so degraded from the larvae & beetles eating it that it didn't show or something? Of course the hair roots wouldn't still be there if the larvae fed off of her. No tissue was found, if I remember right. I'm just confused as to how it can be said beyond a reasonable doubt that no death banding was found on hair attached to tge duct tape when we all know it was found still attached to the skull, attached tight enough to leave a tooth impression. I'm thinking the hair left attached was just so degraded due to insectae & the elements that the sample was compromised naturally & therefore didn't show anything.

I'm not sure why they would even look for the banding on hair of a body that is obviously dead, and do not remember whether or not that was ever disclosed....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 04:26:20 PM
Ashton going to evidence table to get exhibit envelope relating to Lowe's testimony (hair samples). Interesting to see here is the glimpse of other photographic exhibits stacked on the table.

The state is so organized.

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/JEFFORGANIZING.png)

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/jeffevidence2-1.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: StarMonkey on June 04, 2011, 04:26:47 PM
http://www.newser.com/article/d9nl7hu82/fbi-forensic-expert-says-hair-removed-from-casey-anthonys-car-consistent-with-decomposition.html

FBI forensic expert says hair removed from Casey Anthony's car consistent with decomposition
Quote
When questioned again by prosecutor Jeff Ashton, Lowe said the hair showed characteristics of one that had been forcibly pulled.


I don't get this.  Who forcibly removed the hair after Caylee died?  I would think it just fell out while Caylee was decomposing in the trunk?  So, okay, maybe KC finds her dead, and while picking her up to hide her accidentally pulls a hair out and leaves it in the trunk where it was found?

I've been wondering about that too.  Not sure if they are speaking of the hair found on the duct tape or the hair from Caylee's hairbrush submitted by Cindy.  I imagine hair in a hair brush could be "pulled"  by the brush while brushing Caylee's hair.



She was saying the hair with the deathband was pulled out not fell out naturally from dying.  Unless the wench pulled her hair after she died and left a hair in the trunk on accident. 

Maybe Baez wants jury to think it coulda been planted there IF pulled out. I think it came out when she backed the car in garage to move her body.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 04:30:17 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/04/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75323G20110604

Hair in Casey Anthony's trunk may be Caylee's: expert

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110604&t=2&i=428769520&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-06-04T190310Z_01_BTRE7531GXI00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)

(Reuters) - A single 9-inch-long brown hair found in the car trunk of accused child killer Casey Anthony could have been ripped from the dead body of her 2-year old daughter, an FBI expert testified on Saturday.


Wow....an actual tear.  Or did it come from her water bottle?   ::MonkeyWink::



"I CANNOT believe that I pulled ONE hair out when I moved her...ONE HAIR! I am a victim just like everyone else."   ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 04:32:36 PM
Boy, after today in court if I were Casey i would be calling for a mis trial on the grounds that my lawyer is just stoopid.......Jose' really showed what an ass he is today and also just how dumb he is,I wished when he made it a point to ask the witness about failing her test the first time she took it she could have asked him how many tests did he fail in Law school....bet there was plenty.  I cant stand that man and those things growing on the side of his head looks like side burns that grew out instead of down!



I think Casey  thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I also think that she truly believes she is going to walk away from this . I believe that she thinks her lies will get her out of it just as they have kept her from ever having to accept consequences for any other thing she has done in her life...jmo
I cannot wait to see her face when she is declared guilty!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::

Bold by me.  I EAGERLY await the day!  It will be one of the most exciting days of my life!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 04, 2011, 04:33:19 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Sorry to quote myself but Western ******* are you absolutely sure no death band was found on the duct tape on Caylee's remains? I'll have to go back to read the FBI forensic reports. I'm wondering if tge hair that was found with the remains was just so degraded from the larvae & beetles eating it that it didn't show or something? Of course the hair roots wouldn't still be there if the larvae fed off of her. No tissue was found, if I remember right. I'm just confused as to how it can be said beyond a reasonable doubt that no death banding was found on hair attached to tge duct tape when we all know it was found still attached to the skull, attached tight enough to leave a tooth impression. I'm thinking the hair left attached was just so degraded due to insectae & the elements that the sample was compromised naturally & therefore didn't show anything.

I'm not sure why they would even look for the banding on hair of a body that is obviously dead, and do not remember whether or not that was ever disclosed....

I'm going to go back over the duct tape on skull forensics. It doesn't make sense unless it was just so degraded an accurate  assessment couldn't be made. Baez it attempting confusion. He is swaying without proper knowledge & winging it as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/baezhissyfit.png)

bozo having a hissy fit


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 04:35:27 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/baezhissyfit.png)

bozo having a hissy fit

I like Jeff's smirk!   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/04/anthonys-alleged-nanny-speaks/
Tot Mom's alleged 'nanny' speaks
Zenaida Gonzalez speaks out about the case and Casey Anthony's accusation that she kidnapped Caylee.
June 4th, 2011
11:37 AM ET


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Hi monkeys, I am back in the forum now and have read all your posts.  Love all of your comments and screen-caps Brandi as usual you catch all the perfect pictures.  ::MonkeyKiss::

So glad this is a half day, I love listening and typing but it is really hard when Baez talks.  I type by listening and he never finishes a sentence or a question and he says "and" before each one.  He changes his questions half way through and I have to start all over.  I truly think he must be making the jurors hate him as much as his client.  He is so rude and doesn't have a clue how to run a trial.  As much as I love Judge Perry, I wish he would quit helping Baez, like a child.  It is his case and he needs to do it.  His little Perry Mason moments are laughable, does he really think anyone with an IQ in the double digits would be impressed?  If I didn't detest him so much, I would feel embarrassed for him.  I love when Jeff and Linda are up, they know what they are gonna say and ask and always know what the answer is going to be.  I can't wait for Dr. Vass, I adore his accent and I think the jury will think he is "cool". lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've wondered if you were about to be on the verge of going insane when Baez is up---you deserve a Purple Heart!!  Thank you again, Magic!!!!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: _icey_ on June 04, 2011, 04:37:44 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!

A laughing AZZ????      ::boxingbaez::

Kudos to all the monkeys  ::HelloKitty:: who sat through and listened to that azzhat.  I could not take it today.  I think he is ignorant and should be disbarred.  He has no heart or soul just like his client.  Not ONCE has that idiot said one nice word about Caylee.  Not once.  I needed a break from his badgering today...I appreciate being able to read through and stay on top of things!  I do not know how the jury is going to be able to handle him for another 6 weeks.  I'm not even there and I wanna kick him....along with his 'client'.  I bet he marries her.  Another day closer to Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

He's a moron & the jury sees right through him!
That is why he's representing her. Bird of a feather flock together.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: _icey_ on June 04, 2011, 04:39:05 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/imsofunny-1.png)

me so funny haha  NOT!!

A laughing AZZ????      ::boxingbaez::

Kudos to all the monkeys  ::HelloKitty:: who sat through and listened to that azzhat.  I could not take it today.  I think he is ignorant and should be disbarred.  He has no heart or soul just like his client.  Not ONCE has that idiot said one nice word about Caylee.  Not once.  I needed a break from his badgering today...I appreciate being able to read through and stay on top of things!  I do not know how the jury is going to be able to handle him for another 6 weeks.  I'm not even there and I wanna kick him....along with his 'client'.  I bet he marries her.  Another day closer to Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

He's a moron & the jury sees right through him!
That is why he's representing her. Bird of a feather flock together.  ::MonkeyMad::
birds*


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 04:40:25 PM
(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/afterwards.jpg)

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/afterwards.jpg)
barett


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 04:42:14 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/28131681/index.html
biff shaeffer day 21


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
This one kills me
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/flirt10.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 04:43:44 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tevye on June 04, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
Bozo is dragging this out as long as possible because he knows when it's over he'll be back to being a nobody fool chasing ambulances (if he still is allowed to practice law).  He's going to stretch his 15 minutes out as long as he can.
 ::justice2NJ::
Hard to chase ambulances when ya don't have a driver's license cos you pizzed off every LE officer in the state of Florida and your taillight was out and you "resisted arrest" and your nose has been relocated!  ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 04, 2011, 04:47:06 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Sorry to quote myself but Western ******* are you absolutely sure no death band was found on the duct tape on Caylee's remains? I'll have to go back to read the FBI forensic reports. I'm wondering if tge hair that was found with the remains was just so degraded from the larvae & beetles eating it that it didn't show or something? Of course the hair roots wouldn't still be there if the larvae fed off of her. No tissue was found, if I remember right. I'm just confused as to how it can be said beyond a reasonable doubt that no death banding was found on hair attached to tge duct tape when we all know it was found still attached to the skull, attached tight enough to leave a tooth impression. I'm thinking the hair left attached was just so degraded due to insectae & the elements that the sample was compromised naturally & therefore didn't show anything.

I'm not sure why they would even look for the banding on hair of a body that is obviously dead, and do not remember whether or not that was ever disclosed....

I'm going to go back over the duct tape on skull forensics. It doesn't make sense unless it was just so degraded an accurate  assessment couldn't be made. Baez it attempting confusion. He is swaying without proper knowledge & winging it as far as I'm concerned.

I think a few things, although of course i am not sure.

1.  What they were talking about today was only hairs in the car.  I seem to remember teh witness stating that this was the only deathband hair found.  Then bozo asked her something, and she said exclusive of with the body.  But, I also do not think they tested the hair with the body for hairs with death bands. 

2.  The theory is also that the duct tape was put on her face before this death band can form or when she was alive, so that the ones pulled out on the duct tape were either alive hairs or had not turned to a death band yet.

3.  The witness said not all hairs of dead people get death bands. 

Other than those things that I think I remember, i am clueless too. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::
It was a good day for Jose Baez, defense lawyer in the Casey Anthony trial, who succeeded in casting doubt on the state's forensic evidence.


Everyone has an opinion about the Casey Anthony murder trial. So-called experts have weighed in on everything from the body language, the voice inflection, and the wardrobe choices of the young woman accused of murdering her daughter, two-year old Caylee Anthony in 2008. Today, the state took a different tacit, which was vigorously contested by the defense.
Forensic Experts and Evidence in the Casey Anthony Trial

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-a374334 ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 04, 2011, 04:47:54 PM
Did anyone else notice the individual in the black vest, long sleeved, chartruse colored blouse with all the ruffles in the front- speaking with casey at the table prior to her leaving?

They were also carrying a purse.

Could this be the individual running that site?

Jeanne Barrett.......KC's Mitigation expert hired when Lyon's first came onto the sinking ship


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 04, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Casey Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, rejected by Florida Bar on first try
 ::snipping2::
For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/may/03/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-rejected-florida-b/

Thanks Northern! Wowsa. Deadbeat dad, too. Blech, blech!

I remember when I first read that it DID NOT surprise me in the least after watching him hugging on KC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::

Indeed!

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Yes..Thank you so much for the daily reports..for those of us that miss a day or portions this is invaluable!You are just so sweet to do this everyday...hugs!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.

 ::rhino::

That's what I've said a number of times because I read that somewhere else before (maybe somewhere in the evidence reports that have been released), but I was always challenged and couldn't prove it because I couldn't remember where I read it.

Now it's proven in a court of law....duct tape was applied to a live child.

To me that equals death penalty.

I hope the prosecution makes a large poster of that information to set before the jury during closing arguments.

What a great day in court this is for Caylee.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
::MonkeyEek::
It was a good day for Jose Baez, defense lawyer in the Casey Anthony trial, who succeeded in casting doubt on the state's forensic evidence.


Everyone has an opinion about the Casey Anthony murder trial. So-called experts have weighed in on everything from the body language, the voice inflection, and the wardrobe choices of the young woman accused of murdering her daughter, two-year old Caylee Anthony in 2008. Today, the state took a different tacit, which was vigorously contested by the defense.
Forensic Experts and Evidence in the Casey Anthony Trial

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-a374334 ::boxingbaez::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   The Defense hasn't had a good day from the beginning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 05:00:06 PM
::MonkeyEek::
It was a good day for Jose Baez, defense lawyer in the Casey Anthony trial, who succeeded in casting doubt on the state's forensic evidence.


Everyone has an opinion about the Casey Anthony murder trial. So-called experts have weighed in on everything from the body language, the voice inflection, and the wardrobe choices of the young woman accused of murdering her daughter, two-year old Caylee Anthony in 2008. Today, the state took a different tacit, which was vigorously contested by the defense.
Forensic Experts and Evidence in the Casey Anthony Trial

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-a374334 ::boxingbaez::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  Some people must be watching this trial with rose colored monitors.  What is even crazier is that even if Bozo did make a minor point or two he diminished it by his conduct.




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
snip

Quote from: Western Observr on June 04, 2011, 09:17:39 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.

Is Western Observr on?
Question....................................

Could she have been dead, the tape applied but the hair NOT show death bands?  ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 05:03:31 PM
Also has it been proven Caylee was a live before the duct tape was put on?
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
JP has a big book out at sidebar.

It must be a list of how many times Bozo has been sent to the principal's office.  LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 05:09:35 PM
Thanks so much Magic for your hard work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.  You are an    ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, Thank you , Magic for all you do!!

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 05:10:50 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.

Bringing this forward--good to remember.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 05:12:24 PM
Kermit asked this in the last thread:


"I'm curious as to why Baez didn't use insanity defence. If there are psych reports maybe she isn't insane and
if so, that is very telling."

Cos I ideal with with a lot of defense lawyers daily, I know a few of the secret rules. Rule #4 is " In order to use the insanity defense for your client, you yourself (the lawyer) must be sane enough to get thru a trial. You must be prepared, be polite, and above all, IF THE JUDGE TELLS YOU TO KEEP YOUR FILES IN A SPECIAL ROOM, THEN DO IT!"  ::boxingbaez::

In other words, not only is Bozo not qualified to be an attorney, he's sure as heck not qualified to make mental health calls!

Ya he's not the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is he even in the shed?

I was thinking someone left him out in the yard.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Maybe when she applied the duct tape to Caylee some of her hair was caught and pulled out at the time, thus attaching to the tape, yet not attached to her head.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
I am so confused on this hair. I don't understand what was said today. I had to miss a lot. My son is sick today.
Hope your son feels better soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Despite the relative newness of this science, I think the jury will conclude this hair places Caylee, after death, in Casey trunk.


I agree Can...btw... Hi!!!

 ::justice2NJ::  Hi cubbee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 05:14:22 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Maybe when she applied the duct tape to Caylee some of her hair was caught and pulled out at the time, thus attaching to the tape, yet not attached to her head.

i'm sorry.  I tried to snip that quote stack above and screwed it up.  My answer is bolded.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:14:44 PM
UPDATED - JUNE 4, 2011

TRIAL OVERVIEWS/VIDEOS - OPENING STATEMENTS AND WITNESSES


Casey Murder Trial Brings Tears, Blame And Shame
Opening Statements: Jose Baez - Drane-Burdick
Witness: George Anthony
DAY 12: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28001858/detail.html

Casey Friends Say They Never Knew Caylee Was Missing
Witnesses: Nathan Lezniewicz - Cameron Campana - Brian Burner - Tony Lazzaro - Maria Kissh - Roy "Clint" House - Jamie Realander - Erica Gonzalez
DAY 13: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28016659/detail.html

Casey's Ex-Lovers, Friends Testify On Day 14
 Of Trial
Witnesses: Ricardo Morales - Tony Lazzaro - Melissa England - George Anthony - Matthew Crisp - Troy Brown - Iassen Donov - Dante Salati - Christopher Stutz
DAY 14: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
http://www.wftv.com/news/28031215/detail.html

Witness: Casey Anthony's Car Smelled Of Decomposition
Witnesses:  Mallory Parker - George Anthony - Simon Birch - William Waters - Catherine Sanchez - Tony Lazzaro
DAY 15: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28044952/detail.html

Cindy Cries During Testimony On Caylee, Casey Angered
Witnesses:  Cindy Anthony - Tony Lazzaro.
DAY 16: Pt. 1 | Pt.2 | Pt.3 | Pt.4 | Pt.5 | Pt.6 | Pt.7
http://www.wftv.com/news/28057538/detail.html

Tears Shed As 911 Calls Play; Casey's Ex-Friend Testifies
Witnesses: Cindy Anthony - Amy Huizenga
DAY 17: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12
http://www.wftv.com/news/28074159/detail.html

Witnesses, Recordings Heard In Court Expose Casey's Lies
Witnesses: Lee Anthony - Rendon Fletcher - Adriana Acevedo - Amanda Macklin - Reginald Hosey - Yuri Melich 
DAY 18: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12
http://www.wftv.com/news/28091499/detail.html

State Exposes Lie After Lie From Casey On Day 19 Of Trial
Witnesses: Jeffrey Hopkins - Leonard Turtora - Yuri Melich   
DAY 19: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
http://www.wftv.com/news/28105029/detail.html

Day 20: Parts Of Casey's Car Trunk Shown As Evidence
Witnesses: Charity Beasley - Awilda McBryde - Christine Narkiewicz - Geraldo Bloise
DAY 20: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28117759/detail.html

Forensic Expert Testifies On Evidence In Casey's Car
 Witnesses: Karen Lowe - Mike Vincent
TRIAL DAY 21: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28130373/detail.html

++++++

List of witnesses called in the Casey Anthony murder trial
Last Updated: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:40 PM 

 
1 May 24 George Anthony - Casey's father
2 May 25 Cameron Campana - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
3 May 25 Nathan Lezniewicz - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
4 May 25 Roy "Clint" House - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
5 May 25 Maria Kissh - Ex-girlfriend of Clint House
6 May 25 Brian Burner - Next-door neighbor of Anthony family
7 May 25 Jamie Realander - Shot girl at Fusion
8 May 25 Erica Gonzalez - Shot girl at Fusion
9 May 25–26 Anthony "Tony" Lazzaro - Casey's ex-boyfriend (June to July 2008)
10 May 26 George Anthony - Casey's father (2nd testimony)
11 May 26 Ricardo Morales - Casey's ex-boyfriend (February to May 2008)
12 May 26 Melissa England - Ex-girlfriend of Troy Brown, met Casey in July 2008
13 May 26 Troy Brown - Friend of Ricardo Morales
14 May 26 Iassen Donov - Friend of Casey's since 2007
15 May 26 Dante Salati - Friend of Casey's since 2000
16 May 26 Christopher Stutz - Friend of Casey's since 2005
17 May 26 Matthew Crisp - Friend of Casey's since 2002
18 May 27 Mallory Parker - Lee Anthony's fiancee
19 May 27 William Waters - Friend of Amy Huizenga, met Casey on July 4, 2008
20 May 27 Catherine Sanchez - Amscot district manager
21 May 27 Simon Birch - Managed company that towed Casey's car in June 2008
22 May 27 George Anthony - Casey's father (3rd testimony)
23 May 27–28 Anthony "Tony" Lazzaro - Casey's ex-boyfriend (2nd testimony)
24 May 28, 31 Cynthia "Cindy" Anthony - Casey's mother
25 May 31 Amy Huizenga - Friend of Casey's since 2008
26 June 1 Lee Anthony - Casey's older brother
27 June 1 Rendon Fletcher - Orange County Sheriff's Office in July 2008
28 June 1 Adriana Acevedo - Orange County Sheriff's Office
29 June 1 Amanda Macklin - Sawgrass Apartments property manager in July 2008
30 June 1 Reginald Hosey - Orange County Sheriff's Office
31 June 1 Yuri Melich -  Orange County Sheriff's Office
32 June 2 Jeffrey Hopkins "Acquaintance" of Casey's since middle school
33 June 2 Leonard Turtora - Assistant manager at Universal Orlando Resort
34 June 2 Yuri Melich - Orange County Sheriff's Office (2nd testimony)
35 June 3 Charity Beasley - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
36 June 3 Awilda McBryde - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
37 June 3 Christine Narkiewicz - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
38 June 3 Geraldo Bloise - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
39  June 4  Karen Lowe - FBI forensic expert 
40  June 4 Mike Vincent -  Collected air samples with Orange County Sheriff's Office 
 
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/may/251421/List-of-witnesses-called-in-the-Casey-Anthony-murder-trial


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
I tried

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 05:17:33 PM
As for hair being pulled out, did they ask for any clarification as to how little weight it would take to cause a hair to be pulled out.   pulling on hair out takes VERY little effort and isn't hard.  I would think if her body was pulled or a hair caught on something it would be pretty easy to pull out a hair.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 04, 2011, 05:21:14 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::  Special thanks to all who give us the great screen shots, summaries, insightful posts, great humor, and wonderful links!!!

Remember to tune in tonight and catch Jeanine Pirro--she is sharp & Lippman will be there.  8 p.m. CST---FOX cable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 05:21:58 PM
Could she have been dead, the tape applied but the hair NOT show death bands???????????????????????????


 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
::MonkeyEek::
It was a good day for Jose Baez, defense lawyer in the Casey Anthony trial, who succeeded in casting doubt on the state's forensic evidence.


Everyone has an opinion about the Casey Anthony murder trial. So-called experts have weighed in on everything from the body language, the voice inflection, and the wardrobe choices of the young woman accused of murdering her daughter, two-year old Caylee Anthony in 2008. Today, the state took a different tacit, which was vigorously contested by the defense.
Forensic Experts and Evidence in the Casey Anthony Trial

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-casey-anthony-trial-day-10-a374334 ::boxingbaez::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  Some people must be watching this trial with rose colored monitors.  What is even crazier is that even if Bozo did make a minor point or two he diminished it by his conduct.




This author (her facebook  http://www.facebook.com/elizrand ) doesn't know HALF of what we know about his case.  The Prosecution is building their case.  Defense has done nothing yet but look stupid, IMO.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:23:50 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: can on June 04, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
Could she have been dead, the tape applied but the hair NOT show death bands???????????????????????????


 ::MonkeyBike::


Yes. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 05:25:05 PM
Page 1 of the autopsy report

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5777658681_c0ff12bd3a_o.jpg)

Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was still attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 05:26:11 PM
I took a nap from 7 am so just got here, but did I see KC pointing to paper to tell Bozo what to aruge to the judge during that last objection?

 ::boxingbaez::
You did indeed Zoo -- amazing.

I guess all that legal assistant training she has gotten over the past 3 years has really helped and she is now a pre-lawyer.   When she is found not-guilty, she will have a career.

That and detailing cars~


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
Could she have been dead, the tape applied but the hair NOT show death bands???????????????????????????


 ::MonkeyBike::


Yes. 



Oh 8 hours after death it may begin to show.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
Had to add the word "still" ...

How can she decompose with the duct tape around her skull ... and not have some of that hair still attached NOT show a death band ... is what I'm asking?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 05:28:59 PM
All I am seeing is that the tape was still attached to head hair.  My guess is it would have both death band and hair with no death bands if some of the hair was caught and pulled off my the tape prior to her dying.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 05:29:33 PM
Kermit asked this in the last thread:


"I'm curious as to why Baez didn't use insanity defence. If there are psych reports maybe she isn't insane and
if so, that is very telling."

Cos I ideal with with a lot of defense lawyers daily, I know a few of the secret rules. Rule #4 is " In order to use the insanity defense for your client, you yourself (the lawyer) must be sane enough to get thru a trial. You must be prepared, be polite, and above all, IF THE JUDGE TELLS YOU TO KEEP YOUR FILES IN A SPECIAL ROOM, THEN DO IT!"  ::boxingbaez::

In other words, not only is Bozo not qualified to be an attorney, he's sure as heck not qualified to make mental health calls!

Ya he's not the sharpest tool in the shed that's for sure!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is he even in the shed?

I was thinking someone left him out in the yard.

No...KC had her boyfriend Tony break open the shed...Baez go out then!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Titch

Could it be that only one hair with the death band was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle by investigators following Cindy's cleaning spree and ... that one hair was proof that Caylee had been in the trunk.

The hairs stuck to the duct tape ... the duct tape which was found among other items when Caylee remains were located ... most likely had the death band but does not prove the State's case that Caylee was in the trunk.

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
Hair in Casey Anthony's trunk may be Caylee's: expert
 


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 By Barbara Liston  – 2 hrs 23 mins ago

ORLANDO, Fla (Reuters) – A single 9-inch-long brown hair found in the car trunk of accused child killer Casey Anthony could have been ripped from the dead body of her 2-year old daughter, an FBI expert testified on Saturday.

 The hair evidence is among the most contentious in Casey's first-degree murder trial on charges that she killed Caylee Anthony on June 16, 2008, and dumped her body in woods near the Anthony home. Defense lawyer Jose Baez contends the science behind some of the hair analysis is new and unreliable.

 Caylee was first reported missing July 15, 2008, by her grandmother Cindy Anthony after finding Casey's car at an impound lot. Cindy and a series of witnesses have testified that the car was permeated by a strong stench that they likened to the odor of a body.

 Casey told detectives Caylee was kidnapped by a nanny. But after a nationwide search, Caylee's skeletal remains were found in December 2008 in woods a 10-minute walk from the Anthony family home.

 Baez has told jurors Caylee drowned accidentally in the backyard pool but that her death went unreported.

 Karen Korsberg Lowe, who specializes in microscopic examination of hair samples at the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, testified she found "root-banding" on the hair, something she said scientists have never seen other than on hairs from decomposing bodies.

 "It has darkened bands at the root portion ... . This is consistent with apparent decomposition," Lowe testified.

 Lowe also testified the hair appeared under a microscope to be similar to one recovered from Caylee's hairbrush. ::snipping2::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110604/ts_nm/us_crime_anthony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.

I didn't hear her testify but if that is true then hair attached to the duct tape with no banding would not in and of itself prove that the tape was placed prior to death.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:31:39 PM
Had to add the word "still" ...

How can she decompose with the duct tape around her skull ... and not have some of that hair still attached NOT show a death band ... is what I'm asking?

Not every hair shows a death band. And it can show as early as 8 hours, but I think she also said up to 2, even 4 days. I need to double-check that part, but the part about not every hair showing the band is accurate. So, just because the hairs don't show a death band doesn't mean it didn't come from a deceased person.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:32:29 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.
Ah ha!  Thanks stayhomemommy!   ::MonkeyAngel::   That makes me feel better about that testimony! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 05:32:49 PM
As for hair being pulled out, did they ask for any clarification as to how little weight it would take to cause a hair to be pulled out.   pulling on hair out takes VERY little effort and isn't hard.  I would think if her body was pulled or a hair caught on something it would be pretty easy to pull out a hair.

Maybe it wasn't even pulled out by hand...maybe Caylee was moved (pulled/slid down on the bed or in the trunk) and that caused the hair to pull out.  It's easy for hair to pull out.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:33:59 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.
Ah ha!  Thanks stayhomemommy!   ::MonkeyAngel::   That makes me feel better about that testimony! 

You're most welcome. Which also means, though, the other hairs found without the band doesn't mean they were all transfer hair, eithers. Means they could have also been from Caylee in the truck...alive or dead. So, I hope the jury thinks about that, too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flutter1 on June 04, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

360


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
I will have to listen again.  Was it stated by the witnesses that there was NO death bands around the hairs stuck to the duct tape.

That would not make sense.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:36:53 PM
I will have to listen again.  Was it stated by the witnesses that there was NO death bands around the hairs stuck to the duct tape.

That would not make sense.

IMO

Janet


Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 05:37:17 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Titch

Could it be that only one hair with the death band was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle by investigators following Cindy's cleaning spree and ... that one hair was proof that Caylee had been in the trunk.

The hairs stuck to the duct tape ... the duct tape which was found among other items when Caylee remains were located ... most likely had the death band but does not prove the State's case that Caylee was in the trunk.

Janet




OK so when they found Caylee in the woods they didn't have to check for the death band because she was dead .They were just trying to prove that the dead band hair was in Casey's car = Casey had her in the trunk..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 

Hi Blink!

Question:

Because LKB has been associated with this case and is a guest on every talking head show each night..does she get paid in some fashion for being on those shows or is it just for the publicity for herself an the defense ?

Of course she always skews her little comments pro-defense..I wish NG or some othe talking head would call her out on that..and say aren't you still consulting with the defense?

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.
Ah ha!  Thanks stayhomemommy!   ::MonkeyAngel::   That makes me feel better about that testimony! 

You're most welcome. Which also means, though, the other hairs found without the band doesn't mean they were all transfer hair, eithers. Means they could have also been from Caylee in the truck...alive or dead. So, I hope the jury thinks about that, too.
I've always thought Caylee died in the trunk "babysitter/nanny" ... It may not have been hands on murder ... but murder nonetheless.  I too hope the jury is paying attention to all this.  I keep hearing that few of them are taking notes ... which makes me nervous!  I wish all of them were keeping timelines and notes!  Just listening I've had to make a timeline! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 05:40:50 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

Not every hair on a dead body gets a death band. The witness testified that they do not understand why some do and some don't, but that it could have something to do with what growth stage it's in.
Ah ha!  Thanks stayhomemommy!   ::MonkeyAngel::   That makes me feel better about that testimony! 

Thank you...... ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 05:41:17 PM
I will have to listen again.  Was it stated by the witnesses that there was NO death bands around the hairs stuck to the duct tape.

That would not make sense.

IMO

Janet


Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

I didn't watch this morning (taped it so will watch later today); however, didn't I just read several posts here on SM that talked about hairs in the duct tape?  Now you've said we haven't even gotten to the duct tape hair yet. 

NOW...I'm confused.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:43:24 PM

You're most welcome. Which also means, though, the other hairs found without the band doesn't mean they were all transfer hair, eithers. Means they could have also been from Caylee in the truck...alive or dead. So, I hope the jury thinks about that, too.
I've always thought Caylee died in the trunk "babysitter/nanny" ... It may not have been hands on murder ... but murder nonetheless.  I too hope the jury is paying attention to all this.  I keep hearing that few of them are taking notes ... which makes me nervous!  I wish all of them were keeping timelines and notes!  Just listening I've had to make a timeline! 

You know, I've thought about that, too. I'm thinking that maybe they just want to make their own opinion notes, but are going to rely on transcripts for the timeline, etc. I don't really know, but I'm guessing based solely on my own personal preference. In college, I took very little notes and relied on the reading material for the majority of the information. I guess we'll see when the veridict is read.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
I will have to listen again.  Was it stated by the witnesses that there was NO death bands around the hairs stuck to the duct tape.

That would not make sense.

IMO

Janet


Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

I didn't watch this morning (taped it so will watch later today); however, didn't I just read several posts here on SM that talked about hairs in the duct tape?  Now you've said we haven't even gotten to the duct tape hair yet. 

NOW...I'm confused.



I think they monkeys on here might be referring to what we monkeys already know. But today's testimony didn't include the duct tape hairs. Baez tried to get other hairs in, but the state made sure they were limited to what was in the car, because the car was what had been admitted into evidence. We haven't (in the trial) gotten to finding Caylee or any evidence on her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
I will have to listen again.  Was it stated by the witnesses that there was NO death bands around the hairs stuck to the duct tape.

That would not make sense.

IMO

Janet


Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: stayhomemommy on June 04, 2011, 05:49:17 PM

Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet

One would think so, unless the duct tape ripped them out before that could happen. I admit that I haven't read about the duct tape hairs yet. So, I honestly don't know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:50:11 PM

I think they monkeys on here might be referring to what we monkeys already know. But today's testimony didn't include the duct tape hairs. Baez tried to get other hairs in, but the state made sure they were limited to what was in the car, because the car was what had been admitted into evidence. We haven't (in the trial) gotten to finding Caylee or any evidence on her.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flutter1 on June 04, 2011, 05:53:03 PM
IIRC, LDB made the point in opening that Caylee was alive when the duct tape was placed over her mouth.  I think she is going to use the lack of the death band on those hairs found remaining stuck to the duct tape when her remains were found.  I don't think she is going to be able to prove to conclusively, though.

It doesn't surprise me that only one hair was found in the trunk belonging to Caylee considering the multiple layers of bagging that she was placed in as well as the meticulous cleaning attempted by Cindy once the car was recovered.  KC herself may have tried to vacuum out the trunk area after the body was disposed.   Actually, it is a miracle anything, other than fluids, were found in the trunk.  If KC had been smart enough to use a rubber storage container, ala Drew Peterson, to remove and store her daughter's body, there may have been nothing left for forensics to find. 

KC was to busy buying things for herself at Target to buy the best body disposal items, though.   ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 05:54:41 PM
Page 1 of the autopsy report

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5777658681_c0ff12bd3a_o.jpg)

Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)

Thanks Blonde

Janet

++++

Page 1

C.1
- Duct tape still attached to scalp hairs.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 05:55:40 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

 Hi Titch!

Could she be referencing  hair that was not attached to the skull, but was attached to the duct tape ?

I guess I am thinking that what the  State is doing now is establishing chain of custody for each aspect.

The duct tape may have contained hairs that were loose..as in fell out right when the duct tape was  being applied by the pulling of it across her head, face and mouth..a few hairs may have ripped out then and remained stuck to the duct tape.

The hair that was attached to the scalp was in a sort of nest at the back of her head I think.  That part may not be discussed until Dr G..and first they will have to do the chain of custody for that crime scene evidence.

I also think that not every hair from a dead person shows the death banding..but the death banding only occurs in during the early hours of decomp...so it might be possible to have hair from the head of the same dead body and still not every hair would have the deathbanding present..I DK


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
Fox News Rachel Self just said

"In his opening Jose Baez wrote so many checks that only his client Casey Anthony can cash." 

Loved that! 

Also loved that everyone involved in the interview said the jury has so much evidence of Casey lying (including Byass telling them so) ... that when/if she takes the stand .. she will be completely disregarded.

Loved that too!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 04, 2011, 05:59:06 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Baez4.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
(http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt126/jerseygirl12345/Baez4.jpg)
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I really wonder if he understands how screwed he is ... and that he did it to himself with that opening statement?!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 06:03:57 PM
The following is taken from the Caylee archives 8-26-2008 at 9:05 pm.  The poster is mammy103.  I knew we had discussed a long time ago about maggot lifecycles. So it is my assumption that the maggots found in the trash bag in Cayse's car was second generation.

At that time I had concerns that George was involved in the coverup.  I o longer feel that way just for the record.

The part about the dogs not using the back yard I think is important too. 

(this is from mammy103)
This was posted on a different site.  I thought it was interesting, but if it's not proper to post, feel free to delete it, Klaas.


If you have a queasy stomach, PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS.

I really hate to be morbid, but the documents that were released last night leave little wiggle room.

The towyard manager said that when he opened the trunk, flies flew out and there were maggots inside.

A trunk is a sealed environment. Flies will not attempt to enter something like a closed, sealed trunk to lay eggs on a pizza box. Even if that pizza box had pizza in it, it just isn't going to happen. Think about the times you've left a half-eaten hamburger on the floorboard of your car. (I'm guilty of this...commuting to work, high-stress job, forgot about the half Big Mac I left in the car for a week.) Think about the Taco Bell bag you left on the back seat...people with kids will admit that we've occasionally left food in the car and forgotten to remove it.

Sometime in their life cycle, those flies entered that trunk with Caylee's body.

I believe that Caylee's body was stored outside somewhere...somewhere that flies could have laid eggs on the corpse. It could have been stored there for as brief as several hours or as long as several days.

Casey worried that the body would be found wherever she left it. Or maybe she knew the dumpster-emptying schedule for the waste company in Orlando. At any rate, she went back to remove the body from the place she had left it, and she put it in her trunk.

Possibly, the corpse stayed in the trunk from the time she retrieved it until the second time she dumped it. The second dumping of the corpse could have been done on the evening of the 26th, early AM hours of the 27th (the time window when her car was left at Amscot, parked by the dumpster).

When she loaded the decomposing corpse into the trunk the second time, fluids leaked out. Clumps of hair fell out. Possibly decomposing flesh detached from the body. Decomposing flesh with maggots already hatching.

When she removed the body from her trunk (to possibly place in the Amscot dumpster), some of those pieces of flesh with maggots were left behind, possibly on the white garbage bag in the trunk.

This would explain why there were flies and maggots in the trunk when the towyard manager opened it.

Let's look at a generalized life cycle of the species of flies that assists in decomposition of a body (if we knew the exact species, we could be less generalized in the life cycle):

From egg to larva (maggot) is 2-5 days. Until day 5, the larvae are feeding on the body.

The larvae move away from the body to become pupae, and are adult flies on day 19 or 20. Adult flies feed on body fluids, mate immediately after emergence, and lay eggs within two days of emergence...and the cycle begins again.

So, to summarize this:

Day 1 - eggs laid.

Day 2 - eggs hatch.

Day 2 to 5 - larvae move into and around the body, feeding.

Day 6 to 19 - pupa stage, no feeding on corpse, mature flies will emerge from the hard case.

Day 20 - adult fly emerges, feeds.

Day 22 - adult fly lays eggs on corpse.

Therefore, the flies that were found in the trunk were second generation flies, as were the maggots, because the car sat sealed at the towyard for 16 days. The second generation had already emerged and begun laying eggs, which had hatched into maggot staged larvae.

I can't wait to see what a forensic entomologist will reveal about this case. I think that the transport of the corpse can be nailed down to within a couple of days using the life cycle of the flies that flew out of the trunk on July 16th.

(This is what I replied to mammy103)

mammy  this is what I have been working on for several hours.  lol  I'm not a scientist....just a mom.  I have come to the conclusion that Caylee  was moved from a temporary burial place and placed in the car on or near the 26th of June and taken to a permanent place.

I also believe she was temporarily placed in the back yard.   I believe I understood that the Anthony's to not allow the dogs to do their business in the backyard because Caylee played back their.

Maybe someone should ask George?  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
Boy, after today in court if I were Casey i would be calling for a mis trial on the grounds that my lawyer is just stoopid.......Jose' really showed what an ass he is today and also just how dumb he is,I wished when he made it a point to ask the witness about failing her test the first time she took it she could have asked him how many tests did he fail in Law school....bet there was plenty.  I cant stand that man and those things growing on the side of his head looks like side burns that grew out instead of down!



I think Casey  thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I also think that she truly believes she is going to walk away from this . I believe that she thinks her lies will get her out of it just as they have kept her from ever having to accept consequences for any other thing she has done in her life...jmo
I cannot wait to see her face when she is declared guilty!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::


ITA..Casey thinks she is the smartest person in the room ..and she thinks she has the best legal minds available to her.

Fortunately it will be forensics that win this case and Baez is no LKB..and if she thought for one minute she could fight and win with this new science that is being allowed in you would not have been able to keep her away..pay or no pay.

Because this is groundbreaking ..the first time the deathbanding is used in court and the first time that Dr Vass' air quality is used in court in a murder trial..IF LINDA KENNY BADEN THOUGHT SHE COULD DISPUTE THOSE AND WIN SHE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS IN A NY MINUTE.  It would have been another accolade for her..so this leads me to believe she and her husband do think this is going to go in the State's favor..and hairbanding and air quality will be used in murder trials from this moment on .

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: joesamas mama on June 04, 2011, 06:07:01 PM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Titch

Could it be that only one hair with the death band was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle by investigators following Cindy's cleaning spree and ... that one hair was proof that Caylee had been in the trunk.

The hairs stuck to the duct tape ... the duct tape which was found among other items when Caylee remains were located ... most likely had the death band but does not prove the State's case that Caylee was in the trunk.

Janet




OK so when they found Caylee in the woods they didn't have to check for the death band because she was dead .They were just trying to prove that the dead band hair was in Casey's car = Casey had her in the trunk..
  ::MonkeyAngel:: Thank you Blonde, that makes sense to me. I was getting really confused.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:07:08 PM
I am comforted in the fact that!!
closing arguments
the defense clownship
the prosecution will go last!!

and we know they always come out on top!! ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
oh and we seen the pillsbury dough boy showing something to the inmate on scaredmonekys!
so we know they read here...
so I guess they know.. everyone is talking about baez and how incompetent he is... I love it... bill shaeffer and all other commentators are mostly in tune with us ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 06:09:28 PM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

I heard Judge Pirro last week.  She was totally not up to speed on this case.  I sure hope she's better at it tonight.  I like Judge Pirro and was disappointed in last week's show.  Perhaps she will stick to "actual" court evidence tonight.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 06:10:18 PM
I am comforted in the fact that!!
closing arguments
the defense clownship
the prosecution will go last!!

and we know they always come out on top!! ::justice2NJ:: ::MonkeyGavel::
Always depends on the jury loca.  Take OJ and Spector One for instance.  Yikes!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

I THINK I have this correct.....As I understand it....it has not been determined how or why some hair have the banding and some do not. Not all hair from a corpse will have the banding. And the banding has not been seen or reproduced in any other process.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 06:16:23 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable

TY CAPP


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:17:16 PM
yeah and yesterday ryan smith  HLN insession said! that jose told him he has tried several  high profile capital murder cases.

Sure acts like he has ... I wrote him and told him he needs to do research before taking someone with no integrity or credibility at their word.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

I THINK I have this correct.....As I understand it....it has not been determined how or why some hair have the banding and some do not. Not all hair from a corpse will have the banding. And the banding has not been seen or reproduced in any other process.
Thanks Sunny!  Stayhomemommy explained it that way too.  I can just say whew!  Thought I was gonna have to go change my Big Girl Panties for a minute!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

I heard Judge Pirro last week.  She was totally not up to speed on this case.  I sure hope she's better at it tonight.  I like Judge Pirro and was disappointed in last week's show.  Perhaps she will stick to "actual" court evidence tonight.



All of the talking heads are jumping on the train because of ratings.  Even Bill O'Riely is going to report because Joy Behar's rating skyrocketed.  Now they are all going to try to out do each other.  Expect the clown Padilla to pop up everywhere.  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:18:19 PM
HLN has a special right now and again after this its JVM  followed by nancy .


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kermit on June 04, 2011, 06:20:08 PM
My bet is, and I have nothing concrete to hang this on, is that Linda Kenny Baden is feeding Baez. She's remained very active in televised interviews even though she left the case.

Wow..I am very late in trying to catch up ..but CBB I just typed the same thing..LKB on the horn with Baez..that's the only thing that makes sense.

She is not working as a representative of Casey's, but as a consultant, she never left the case.
She will also get paid as a result, whereas if she if she were retained, she would not.

Personally, I think that is a scam.
 

Isn't this pretty common in high-profile cases?
I recall Debra Opri was always on the talk-shows for Michael Jackson and I believe hired
by the family to speak for them about the trial while Tom Mesereau is the retaining attorney.

Personally, I find her the most annoying, and probably why I remember her always talking about the case on tv shows.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 04, 2011, 06:20:46 PM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

I heard Judge Pirro last week.  She was totally not up to speed on this case.  I sure hope she's better at it tonight.  I like Judge Pirro and was disappointed in last week's show.  Perhaps she will stick to "actual" court evidence tonight.



All of the talking heads are jumping on the train because of ratings.  Even Bill O'Riely is going to report because Joy Behar's rating skyrocketed.  Now they are all going to try to out do each other.  Expect the clown Padilla to pop up everywhere.  ::piggy::
Ooooohhhhh Nnnnooooo!  But you're right Don ... he's about to get another 15 minutes ... his last I hope. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 06:21:15 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.

 ::rhino::

That's what I've said a number of times because I read that somewhere else before (maybe somewhere in the evidence reports that have been released), but I was always challenged and couldn't prove it because I couldn't remember where I read it.

Now it's proven in a court of law....duct tape was applied to a live child.

To me that equals death penalty.

I hope the prosecution makes a large poster of that information to set before the jury during closing arguments.

What a great day in court this is for Caylee.



Better yet I hope they bring in a life size toddler doll and act out for the jury the chloroform administration and then the duct taping..then later the bagging and disposal.

Gross I know..but that would really drive the point home of what this ghoulish woman did to her only daughter Caylee Marie at the tender age of 34 months old.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 06:22:01 PM
Thanks Snoopy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

I heard Judge Pirro last week.  She was totally not up to speed on this case.  I sure hope she's better at it tonight.  I like Judge Pirro and was disappointed in last week's show.  Perhaps she will stick to "actual" court evidence tonight.



All of the talking heads are jumping on the train because of ratings.  Even Bill O'Riely is going to report because Joy Behar's rating skyrocketed.  Now they are all going to try to out do each other.  Expect the clown Padilla to pop up everywhere.  ::piggy::
Ooooohhhhh Nnnnooooo!  But you're right Don ... he's about to get another 15 minutes ... his last I hope. 

I wish it wasn't true but who else are they going to get?  Most of them know nothing about this case but they all know who LP is.  Get ready for mass misinformation.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kermit on June 04, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

Good afternoon Monkeys.

I am just catching up here..did not get to watch the trial this morning.

But Western *******'s remark about the hair found attached to the duct tape not having the death band..WOW!

That is the entire Murder 1 Capitol Case right there...

This could not be an accident..the tape was applied to an ALIVE CAYLEE..This means there was no accident ..no way..no how..is covering the mouth and nose of a could so they can not breathe an accident.

So she was in that car dead at 2 days..for the hairbanding..and 2.8 for the other forenisic evidence we will soon see..from the bugs and grave wax..the time was placed at around 2.7 or 2.8 days.  The stats match perfectly.

This will not be lost on the good jury or the judge.

 ::rhino::

That's what I've said a number of times because I read that somewhere else before (maybe somewhere in the evidence reports that have been released), but I was always challenged and couldn't prove it because I couldn't remember where I read it.

Now it's proven in a court of law....duct tape was applied to a live child.

To me that equals death penalty.

I hope the prosecution makes a large poster of that information to set before the jury during closing arguments.

What a great day in court this is for Caylee.



Better yet I hope they bring in a life size toddler doll and act out for the jury the chloroform administration and then the duct taping..then later the bagging and disposal.

Gross I know..but that would really drive the point home of what this ghoulish woman did to her only daughter Caylee Marie at the tender age of 34 months old.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree with you. Lets hope the prosecutors do it.

when I watched the jail house video of how Casey was angry and shook her fist at her parents - that showed me when she gets angry her reaction is physical and that is most likely what that poor innocent, defenseless child saw from the one person she loved in this world for the last time on this earth - her own mother grabbing her and putting duct tape over her mouth and nose suffocating her to death.

Heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:33:59 PM
When first baez was setting up the picture deal! he was more than attentive with her. He needed to impress her and win her over (without cloroform) ,
He  spent alot of time with her.. telling her everything she wanted to hear. Making promises he coudlnt keep and ... eventualy he started doing baraar things.. underhanded and unethical. It was about this time he bgan to aliente casey from her parents. He kept the parents happy by giving and transporting letters to and fro!
and than when he had no defense! becuae he had spent the money! and wasted three years ... being lazy and  not reviewing his work and thus the videos he never reviewed amongst many things.

He totaly isolated casey from her family to get control similar to that of an abuse partner.. who uses this type of behaviour to seperate the victim from anyone that could help her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ramblin Rose on June 04, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-why-has-america-been-riveted-by-the-trial.html/comment-page-1

Casey Anthony: Why has America been riveted by the trial?
Quote
Body language expert Susan Constantine, on WOFL, said a few jurors have been checking out from the start, some are attentive and one is always leaning forward, suggesting a zealous approach to taking in the information.  Constantine said she was afraid one juror was going to fall out of the chair, and another was falling asleep in court, yet others were cocking their heads to better hear testimony.


Good heavens!!! How in the heck could ANYONE watching and listening to this testimony FALL ASLEEP?   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ramblin Rose on June 04, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/admirerpicwithcelebritylawyerFeb42011.jpg?t=1302456184)
Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez taking a photo with a fan of his outside the courthouse on Feb 4, 2011. Attorney Michelle Medina taking the photo.
link: http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view&current=admirerpicwithcelebritylawyerFeb42011.jpg&currenttag=Casey%20Anthony

Hmmmm....that must be Zanny!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 

I THINK I have this correct.....As I understand it....it has not been determined how or why some hair have the banding and some do not. Not all hair from a corpse will have the banding. And the banding has not been seen or reproduced in any other process.
Thanks Sunny!  Stayhomemommy explained it that way too.  I can just say whew!  Thought I was gonna have to go change my Big Girl Panties for a minute!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

hahahahahah....it was confusing because JB tried to twist things....didn't work though...he is playing against the big boys when he is playing  the forensics game with Jeff Ashton.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: joesamas mama on June 04, 2011, 06:38:26 PM
Thanks Snoopy
  ::rhino:: Thanks from me too Snoopy, not only was it very informative about how the ugh flies got in the car, but also if I ever feel the need not to eat, I will read it again.

Sorry Klaas about my last part being OT, it did make me somewhat sick to my stomach reading it.  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: joesamas mama on June 04, 2011, 06:42:05 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: That picture of those ladies with Baez like he is some kind of celebrity just really made me so sick and angry. He is not a super star, he is a putz. WTH???? Makes me want to puke and  ::boxingbaez::  ::boxingbaez::  ::boxingbaez::


If I was going to get my picture taken with a "celebrity" I have it taken with JA, LDB and Mr George.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
If I understood it right Judge Pirro on Fox News Network is going to have complete coverage on this tonight. She is convinced KC is guilty and she gave a lot of interesting insights as to why from a judge's point of view. She considers her a psychopath.

I heard Judge Pirro last week.  She was totally not up to speed on this case.  I sure hope she's better at it tonight.  I like Judge Pirro and was disappointed in last week's show.  Perhaps she will stick to "actual" court evidence tonight.



All of the talking heads are jumping on the train because of ratings.  Even Bill O'Riely is going to report because Joy Behar's rating skyrocketed.  Now they are all going to try to out do each other.  Expect the clown Padilla to pop up everywhere.  ::piggy::

after listening to the trial all day the lasting I care to do is to listen to people who don't know as much as I/we do.....so I try not to listen...my DH has gotten so involve he wants to watch it all...then he got confused. He caught on to LP really fast....he is a fast learner. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 06:42:19 PM
OMG.  Shari Karney on HLN sounds like a moron.  So I guess anyone close to their dad was abused?  She is drinking the same koolaid the LKB is selling.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 06:43:51 PM
You're welcome Klaas and jm.  As soon as I posted that my son came in and ask if I would grill some lemon pepper chicken...............gonna have to recover from this first. lol

I have found that many times I can find answers by going through the archives.  Well and sometimes I have too much time on my hands. haha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

360

Thank you Flutter 1..I'll tune into 360 and watch..I want to hear what Lippman has to say tonight.

Maybe he will tell us what happened with George's medical records..how they got them and if this has been dropped.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 06:44:59 PM
Baez bozo is a wanna be putz.  He's goin nowhere.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 06:47:22 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable

TY CAPP

On Direct TV Fox cable channel is 360, HLN is 204, CNN 202 I go from them to DIYnetwork, food channel and HGTV to remain a tad sane during the trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
Judge Jeanie is after Huckabee and before Geraldo. On Direct TV it repeats later in the evening.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 06:51:00 PM
You're welcome Klaas and jm.  As soon as I posted that my son came in and ask if I would grill some lemon pepper chicken...............gonna have to recover from this first. lol

I have found that many times I can find answers by going through the archives.  Well and sometimes I have too much time on my hands. haha

Snoops!!  I didn't read it cause I am fixing dinner. But I wanted to thank you for posting it (I think) andI'll try to read it later....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
Sunny
when do you think the defense will xplain roy kronk


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 06:54:00 PM

Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet

One would think so, unless the duct tape ripped them out before that could happen. I admit that I haven't read about the duct tape hairs yet. So, I honestly don't know.

Thank goodness that one of the hairs in the trunk showed the deathband and was consistent with Caylee's hair ..just one single hair in the trunk shows the deathband..but that evidence can place a dead body in Casey's trunk.  Now unless she was transporting other dead bodies..one has to conclude that hiar was Caylee's.  And Casey is done.

One single hair in the trunk with a deathband..it is a miracle..the Angels are watching over this case.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 06:56:38 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable

TY CAPP

On Direct TV Fox cable channel is 360, HLN is 204, CNN 202 I go from them to DIYnetwork, food channel and HGTV to remain a tad sane during the trial.
thank you I found it comes on at 6:00 here in not so sunny ca today. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
FYI
HLN SPECIAL
casey anthony trial!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 07:08:00 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Hi Flamom.  The way it was explained is that the death band can only appear on a hair after death.  Usually after  a few days but they have seen as early as 2 days.  Not all strands of hair will have a death band.  They don't know why this is. 

The thing that they do know is that this death band can not be replicated. The only way a death band appears is after death during decomposing.  Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 07:08:08 PM
Sunny
when do you think the defense will xplain roy kronk


loca, I haven't a clue....I can't even imagine how they are gonna try to play this...if they try to follow some kind of time line...I think it will be fairly quickly....I think the bulk of their 'defense' is gonna be the psychologists testifying about  'sexual abuse' is responsible for her hiding Caylee and her actions during the 31 days...they have already layed a brick or 2 about living in a family of lies, living lies etc.  IMO none of it is gonna fly with the jury.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 07:08:27 PM
Sunny  you're welcome buddy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
FYI
HLN SPECIAL
casey anthony trial!
Thanks for the heads up Loca!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shy Monkey on June 04, 2011, 07:10:30 PM
Just wanted to shout out a big THANK YOU to everyone for keeping us updated on the trial.

Please Lord let there be justice for that sweet baby Caylee....     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Hi Flamom.  The way it was explained is that the death band can only appear on a hair after death.  Usually after  a few days but they have seen as early as 2 days.  Not all strands of hair will have a death band.  They don't know why this is. 

The thing that they do know is that this death band can not be replicated. The only way a death band appears is after death during decomposing.  Hope this helps.
Thanks Snoopy, I understand, I was being facetious.. The hair on the duct tape HAD to have the banding whether it was put on Caylee dead or alive.. I guess I have bozoitis as far as explaining  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 07:11:57 PM

Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet

One would think so, unless the duct tape ripped them out before that could happen. I admit that I haven't read about the duct tape hairs yet. So, I honestly don't know.

Thank goodness that one of the hairs in the trunk showed the deathband and was consistent with Caylee's hair ..just one single hair in the trunk shows the deathband..but that evidence can place a dead body in Casey's trunk.  Now unless she was transporting other dead bodies..one has to conclude that hiar was Caylee's.  And Casey is done.

One single hair in the trunk with a deathband..it is a miracle..the Angels are watching over this case.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

BBM....GDD, I agree.... ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:13:46 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 07:14:35 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable

TY CAPP

On Direct TV Fox cable channel is 360, HLN is 204, CNN 202 I go from them to DIYnetwork, food channel and HGTV to remain a tad sane during the trial.

TY IBE..I do the same..watching DIY right now..also think the Food channel and HGTV are great ..and give a nice respite form the insanity of this trial.  HLN, and CNN I know by heart..but don't watch Fox Cable News much..

Ot love yuor Monky..reminds me of the Red Hat ladies.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 04, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
I hope the jury is appreciating the heat in Florida in June with all the trunk talk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:16:00 PM
FYI
HLN SPECIAL
casey anthony trial!
Thanks for the heads up Loca!
your welcome waiting for judge pirro on fox tonight !! so far even joy behar, dr drew ... have all picked it up.. everyone is fascinated with the psycho!!  so pillsbury dough boy was showing casey his scaredmonekeys screen.. he was signing on? lol
good dough boy tell bozo he is incompetent and is the laughing stock... and to quit lying ... he has not tried several high profile murder cases...what a liar he is!!
evidenced by his poor daily performance in the courtroom. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:18:18 PM
Sunny
when do you think the defense will xplain roy kronk


loca, I haven't a clue....I can't even imagine how they are gonna try to play this...if they try to follow some kind of time line...I think it will be fairly quickly....I think the bulk of their 'defense' is gonna be the psychologists testifying about  'sexual abuse' is responsible for her hiding Caylee and her actions during the 31 days...they have already layed a brick or 2 about living in a family of lies, living lies etc.  IMO none of it is gonna fly with the jury.

I agree... I guess they kronked kronk themselves lol ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
wow I can sleep in tomorrow. I am so used to getting up 5 that I dont know what I will do with myself until monday lol. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 07:20:12 PM

One single hair in the trunk with a deathband..it is a miracle..the Angels are watching over this case.

Gypsy DD, it is a miracle! AMEN, to the Angels are watching over this case.  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::justice2NJ::

pb
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 07:20:37 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Not all cadaver hair has the banding...I have heard no mention of any of the hair mass having any banding.....I think this one hair was put there by an ::MonkeyAngel:: as GDd said


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 07:21:50 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

The way I understand this is :

Not every hair on a deceased individual will show the deathband..and they are not sure exactly what factors might come into play..say what stage the hair was in it's individual growth cycle, etc.  So some hairs may have it..some not...that's all I got out of it..then Baez tried to get the duct tape in..and prosecution objected because they haven't gotten to the dispoal crime site info in the testimony.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Lippman will be featured tonight on Jeanine Pirro--FOX cable @ 8:00 CST.  "Judge Jeanine"
::rhino:: 


Does anyone know what channel that is on Direct TV?  Is it on Direct TV if it is Fox cable.

Fox cable

TY CAPP

On Direct TV Fox cable channel is 360, HLN is 204, CNN 202 I go from them to DIYnetwork, food channel and HGTV to remain a tad sane during the trial.
thank you I found it comes on at 6:00 here in not so sunny ca today. ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you Loco..I am in the East ..so 9pm I am tuning in.....

I hope that Lippman gves more info on the issue with George's medical records.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magnolia on June 04, 2011, 07:27:27 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

I don't know all about this case like ya'll do, but here is how I see it.   The state is
methodically laying out their evidence.  They are just to the point of examining the
car and what was found in that car.   One hair was found in the trunk of the car that
showed death banding according to the FBI witness.   That hair was pulled out by
the root....could have caught on Casey watchband or any number of ways.  That hair
was nine inches long and matched Caylee's hair.
The way the state is presenting their case, they have not gotten to the discovery of
Caylee's body and what was found with it.   We don't know about the duct tape yet,
or how it came into evidence.  The jury just knows that the car smelled of death and
the hair of the dead baby was found in the car, which pretty well tells them that the
dead baby was in the car during decomposition.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: joesamas mama on June 04, 2011, 07:29:35 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Not all cadaver hair has the banding...I have heard no mention of any of the hair mass having any banding.....I think this one hair was put there by an ::MonkeyAngel:: as GDd said
  ::rhino:: Never thought of it that way, but I do believe it was put there by an angel. Divine intervention is going to brink KC down.

Ya'll just made my day better. Thank you, reading back and listening to some of the trial I was even getting confused, so I know the jurors had to be as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:30:21 PM

One single hair in the trunk with a deathband..it is a miracle..the Angels are watching over this case.

Gypsy DD, it is a miracle! AMEN, to the Angels are watching over this case.  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::justice2NJ::

pb
 
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNOFVLkt6I4&feature=related
towards the end of the video you see casey berating her counsel and than he walks away lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
Thank You Sister!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 07:33:09 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.

Sister thank you for explaining this so clearly for us.

 ::MonkeySlide::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:33:17 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:37:03 PM
gerlado is on.. I was flipping through the channels and said  !!! oh hell no!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
Will the jury get a copy of the opening and closing statements??
 ::MonkeyBike::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
Thank You Sister!
You be welcome.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:38:54 PM
I guess what had me stuck was someone, I dont remember who, posted that Caylee was alive when the duct tape was put on because there was no banding on the skull hair. It has been a long week, for the trial and personally   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.

Sister thank you for explaining this so clearly for us.

 ::MonkeySlide::

You be welcome too!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:39:50 PM
listening to the HLN special. Cracks me up.. casey refers to the nanny as zenaida hyphen gonzales.. she is so damn detailed. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

 Hi Loca

Klaas put SM on his screen as a joke  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::
But I do believe they read here and have been.

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
Will the jury get a copy of the opening and closing statements??
 ::MonkeyBike::



since I hsd never followed a trial before! I did not know who went first in closing arguments! I am so happy that the prosecution does! because they always end with such a bang!!
 ::boxingcasey:: this reminds me of the bailiff trying to get casey back to her cell at the end of the day. she just annoying ly hangs around.. and lately she sits back down so they cant make her go! she wont look at them or make eye contact with them!! until they come to make her go!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:43:02 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.
Loca, klaas said she photoshopped that  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
Oh good.  Geraldo is going to prove tonight that Casey's rights were violated.  Call perry and the prosecution and tell them they can sleep in Monday. 

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::piggy:: ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
I guess what had me stuck was someone, I dont remember who, posted that Caylee was alive when the duct tape was put on because there was no banding on the skull hair. It has been a long week, for the trial and personally   ::MonkeyCool::
I understand about the long week, flamom.  Lack of banding simply means lack of banding -- no more, no less.
Frankly, I will be paying close attention to the duct tape testimony because there just might be other evidence on it besides the precious baby's hair.  We just don't know yet.  I'm confident said testimony from the experts will be fascinating, to say the least.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:45:04 PM
Will the jury get a copy of the opening and closing statements??
 ::MonkeyBike::



since I hsd never followed a trial before! I did not know who went first in closing arguments! I am so happy that the prosecution does! because they always end with such a bang!!
 ::boxingcasey:: this reminds me of the bailiff trying to get casey back to her cell at the end of the day. she just annoying ly hangs around.. and lately she sits back down so they cant make her go! she wont look at them or make eye contact with them!! until they come to make her go!!
Isnt that too much!? I guess the inamte is tired of bologna sandwiches and confinement.. too bad so sad
She plops her butt in that seat at lightning speed  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:45:21 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

 Hi Loca

Klaas put SM on his screen as a joke  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::
But I do believe they read here and have been.

pb
I am so gullible... lmao lol.. omg klaas got me on that one... this is just too funny... I actualy fell for it!! gullible me. I need a drink now ::monkeywine2:: ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 07:46:30 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:47:10 PM
Will the jury get a copy of the opening and closing statements??
 ::MonkeyBike::



since I hsd never followed a trial before! I did not know who went first in closing arguments! I am so happy that the prosecution does! because they always end with such a bang!!
 ::boxingcasey:: this reminds me of the bailiff trying to get casey back to her cell at the end of the day. she just annoying ly hangs around.. and lately she sits back down so they cant make her go! she wont look at them or make eye contact with them!! until they come to make her go!!
Isnt that too much!? I guess the inamte is tired of bologna sandwiches and confinement.. too bad so sad
She plops her butt in that seat at lightning speed  ::MonkeyTongue::
bet kc misses her moms homeade chili!  now she has to eat jail food for the rest of her life.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

 Hi Loca

Klaas put SM on his screen as a joke  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::
But I do believe they read here and have been.

pb
I am so gullible... lmao lol.. omg klaas got me on that one... this is just too funny... I actualy fell for it!! gullible me. I need a drink now ::monkeywine2:: ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I will join you  ::monkeywine2::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:48:13 PM
IBE
in one of the jailhouse tapes we heard this week. she tells lee she was read her miranda rights. its on tape.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:48:43 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

 Hi Loca

Klaas put SM on his screen as a joke  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::
But I do believe they read here and have been.

pb
I am so gullible... lmao lol.. omg klaas got me on that one... this is just too funny... I actualy fell for it!! gullible me. I need a drink now ::monkeywine2:: ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I will join you  ::monkeywine2::

pb
::monkeywine2::
cheers to just us for caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 07:48:50 PM
What is the deal about geraldo keep on saying that casey will be free cause she was not read her rights?? I don't understand that and it scares me. Didn't she say her self somewhere that she was read her rights. If so can I get a link. And if she did say it. Was it at the right time? Idk how to ask. I guess she was  arrested 2 times right?? Is he saying the last time she was arrested she wasn't read her rights??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:48:57 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.
Obviously his Cliff notes didn't include the taped interviews.  Good grief, what an idiot he is!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 04, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
Thank You Sister!
You be welcome.

Thanks Sister.You explained that very well.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:49:55 PM
anyone else here recall seeing and hearing kc tell lee in one of those Jail visists that she was mirandized??? anyone.. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 07:50:38 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.

IBE it's always good to see you.  Geraldo is FOS.  Casey even said in one of her jailhouse calls that "When Malich read me my rights".  Casey is gone.  LWOP   JMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 04, 2011, 07:51:33 PM
Monkeys are the best.  BBL

Rock On 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:52:50 PM
dont believe anything gerlado says.. didn't you know that he was the first hispanic to discover al capones cave and the first hispanic to tell where the troops were at by pointing to a map they had on the ground. oh and lets not forget the first hisapnic to be thrown to the ground by a hurricane in galveston.. and least but not least..

the first hispa ::piggy:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::nic to make an ass of himself on national t.v daily


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 07:53:14 PM
Yeah even if she said it does it matter which time she said it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 07:53:53 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.

They didn't give her her Miranda rights because at that time she wasn't being arrested.  DON'T FORGET Geraldo is personal friends with Baez:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3308/5732199300_6305d6577d_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.

IBE it's always good to see you.  Geraldo is FOS.  Casey even said in one of her jailhouse calls that "When Malich read me my rights".  Casey is gone.  LWOP   JMHO
thank you snoopy I couldnt of said it better.. especialy after this long week of listening to bozo .. ughhhhhhhhhhh ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:54:11 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.
Obviously his Cliff notes didn't include the taped interviews.  Good grief, what an idiot he is!

He and bozo both think they are more knowledgeable and qualified than Judge Perry I guess.  This is right up there with Capone's vault.  Their "opinion" of when her right should have been read does not matter.  Suspecting something is wrong doesn't mean they have to read them their rights.  Geraldo needs to retire.  I really don't like the racist pig.  In fact, I may like Al Sharpton better.
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 07:54:14 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
Thank You Sister!
You be welcome.

Thanks Sister.You explained that very well.   ::HelloKitty::
Trimm, thanks.  Thank you for all the links, etc.  It makes it so much easier for computer challenged folks like me.
 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/key-rulings-may-come-friday-casey-anthony-case/n3Km/

 ::snipping2::

But a recording has now surfaced in which Casey herself disputes that testimony.

"When Melich read me my rights in front of the other two detectives, [he] flat out said, 'I'm going to hold you as long as I can. There's going to be no bond, period,'" said Casey during a taped jailhouse conversation with her brother, Lee.


 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:56:31 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!

It will probably show up in the National Enquirer tomorrow!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
lol geraldo is realy needing to shaddup and go for a long cruise on his boat,, take bozo with you ,...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.
Obviously his Cliff notes didn't include the taped interviews.  Good grief, what an idiot he is!

Could he be talking about the questioning in the small room in Universal?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!

It will probably show up in the National Enquirer tomorrow!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
lol don I just found out lmao ! klaas did a dern good job of it!!  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 07:58:18 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.

They didn't give her her Miranda rights because at that time she wasn't being arrested.  DON'T FORGET Geraldo is personal friends with Baez:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3308/5732199300_6305d6577d_o.jpg)

Warn a girl Klaas -- after Snoppy's excellent description of the maggots, I was a little shaky to begin with, now . . .
 :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 07:58:34 PM
She wasnt Mirandized until she was arrested. Isnt that SOP? he is an azz.
I am watching Cindy testify again on HLN. She said KC got her periods at 10.. Thats a tad early.
Then Bobo asks when KC had her first sexual partner.objection.. sustained.
I think he actually enjoys asking deeply personal questions while pretending to be an attorney


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:58:34 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!

I know.  It was great!!
It will probably show up in the National Enquirer tomorrow!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
lol don I just found out lmao ! klaas did a dern good job of it!!  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 07:59:09 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!

I know.  It was great!!
It will probably show up in the National Enquirer tomorrow!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
lol don I just found out lmao ! klaas did a dern good job of it!!  ::piggy::

OOPS.  Sorry!  I got in the wrong place.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
She wasnt Mirandized until she was arrested. Isnt that SOP? he is an azz.
I am watching Cindy testify again on HLN. She said KC got her periods at 10.. Thats a tad early.
Then Bobo asks when KC had her first sexual partner.objection.. sustained.
I think he actually enjoys asking deeply personal questions while pretending to be an attorney

YES


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
anyone else here recall seeing and hearing kc tell lee in one of those Jail visists that she was mirandized??? anyone.. ::piggy::

yes....it was on one of the tapes...she told Lee. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.


loca...that was a JOKE made by Klaas...it was not real!!
I found out. I guess you can now sell me lake front preoperty in the dessert! lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 08:03:56 PM
anyone else here recall seeing and hearing kc tell lee in one of those Jail visists that she was mirandized??? anyone.. ::piggy::

yes....it was on one of the tapes...she told Lee. 

This is just Geraldo's way of getting attention.  If he was reporting the same as everyone else no one would watch him.  He is simply a sensationalist with no real talent (except his exceptional prowess as a wind sock).


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 08:04:27 PM
Okay, I just listened to Lowe's (FBI) testimony about the hair banding.

There was nothing said about the duct tape during her direct examination.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 04, 2011, 08:06:40 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

LOL..LOCO..KLAAS made that herself..she was just teasing.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: theboyzmom on June 04, 2011, 08:07:41 PM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 

I was going to cut down the stack but it is important to have the entire thing I think - and I am WAY behind because of life but here is my opinion.  If Caylee was alive when the tape was applied and was struggling, the hair on the duct tape could have been pulled from her head in the struggle.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
Okay, I just listened to Lowe's (FBI) testimony about the hair banding.

There was nothing said about the duct tape during her direct examination.


Thank you Puzzler! So we shall see that testimony this week. I have a feeling that this week will also be a rough one.. 911 last week.. Sweet Caylee's remains and that sort of evidence this week... Then Bobo will provide the comic relief when its the defense's turn


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: luvmyboys on June 04, 2011, 08:09:42 PM
Well how can I get ahold of geraldo and tell him to listen to the tape of her talking to lee. Imma try to find that conversation. I am mad


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 08:11:27 PM
Well how can I get ahold of geraldo and tell him to listen to the tape of her talking to lee. Imma try to find that conversation. I am mad

I believe he knows she was read her rights.  I think his point is that they should have been read sooner.  At least that is my understanding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 08:12:19 PM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposition residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
bumped for theboyzmom


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
Well how can I get ahold of geraldo and tell him to listen to the tape of her talking to lee. Imma try to find that conversation. I am mad

OK I realize I'm breaking my own rule but when you think of Geraldo, think of this....  O/T



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 08:17:59 PM
Well how can I get ahold of geraldo and tell him to listen to the tape of her talking to lee. Imma try to find that conversation. I am mad

OK I realize I'm breaking my own rule but when you think of Geraldo, think of this....  O/T

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HW0M-DvkEn8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I am so glad you broke the rule -- I am laughing so hard!!!!!!!!
 :smt038 :smt038


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 08:27:45 PM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:28:36 PM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/key-rulings-may-come-friday-casey-anthony-case/n3Km/

 ::snipping2::

But a recording has now surfaced in which Casey herself disputes that testimony.

"When Melich read me my rights in front of the other two detectives, [he] flat out said, 'I'm going to hold you as long as I can. There's going to be no bond, period,'" said Casey during a taped jailhouse conversation with her brother, Lee.


 ::snipping2::


Is there a recording of this?
Or is this casey(liar) speaking?
 

::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 08:35:50 PM
Well how can I get ahold of geraldo and tell him to listen to the tape of her talking to lee. Imma try to find that conversation. I am mad

OK I realize I'm breaking my own rule but when you think of Geraldo, think of this....  O/T

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HW0M-DvkEn8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Go to the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 08:40:22 PM
I am confused. The link went to March. Exactly what is Giraldo talking about or do I have to watch his show tonight.... was this a teaser?

The tape in the room at Universal is playing now, IMO, in the room at Universal. Then again. I am confused. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Shaking my head like Casey


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
I am confused. The link went to March. Exactly what is Giraldo talking about or do I have to watch his show tonight.... was this a teaser?

The tape in the room at Universal is playing now, IMO, in the room at Universal. Then again. I am confused. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Shaking my head like Casey

IBE - which link?  I posted an off topic youtube where Geraldo fell in the ocean.  Also posted a link from back in March where it mentions that Casey herself says she was given her rights when she is on a jail phone call with Lee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 08:44:14 PM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/key-rulings-may-come-friday-casey-anthony-case/n3Km/

 ::snipping2::

But a recording has now surfaced in which Casey herself disputes that testimony.

"When Melich read me my rights in front of the other two detectives, [he] flat out said, 'I'm going to hold you as long as I can. There's going to be no bond, period,'" said Casey during a taped jailhouse conversation with her brother, Lee.


 ::snipping2::


Is there a recording of this?
Or is this casey(liar) speaking?
 

::MonkeyBike::


Yes there is a recording but I don't know if we have seen it yet.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 08:49:04 PM
Klaas, the thread page before this, a TV station like, I think. Your statement about 1/2 way down the page.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 04, 2011, 08:49:51 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo (http://twitter.com/#!/DickTracyOrlndo)

DickTracyOrlndo

Your honor I object on the grounds the defense is being a dick. Sustained. #caseyanthony
This can't possibly be Yuri.

The "A" is missing out of Orlando.

Probably because the real Yuri has that one~


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
"link" not "like", but I liked your link  ::MonkeyAngel::

Monkeys, thank you for the compliments. You guys the greatest. I always seem to forget to say hello and thanks for the Good Works you are doing. My brain is fogged. V8 break. BB in a minute


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 04, 2011, 08:55:43 PM
I wonder how much of the FL taxpayers money JB paid his 'investigator' to dig into the backgrounds of the FBI persons who did all the testing (the lady that did the hair testing...can't remember her name at this moment) to find out she fail her test in 2000??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 04, 2011, 08:57:46 PM
Okay, I just listened to Lowe's (FBI) testimony about the hair banding.

There was nothing said about the duct tape during her direct examination.


Thank you Puzzler! So we shall see that testimony this week. I have a feeling that this week will also be a rough one.. 911 last week.. Sweet Caylee's remains and that sort of evidence this week... Then Bobo will provide the comic relief when its the defense's turn

I don't know who all the prosecution will bring on the stand, but "before" we hear about the duct tape/hair evidence, we first will have to hear from Kronk finding the remains and Dr. G, medica examiner, autopsy and autopsy photos. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 09:00:32 PM
Klaas, the thread page before this, a TV station like, I think. Your statement about 1/2 way down the page.

That is an article from one of the March hearings in this case where it came out that when Casey had one of her jail calls with Lee she said "when Melich read me my rights".  So Casey herself claims she was read her rights.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:03:30 PM
OK, Judge Pirro is on.. I just dont like when she starts to talk loud.. It's irritating. Here we go!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ChiChi on June 04, 2011, 09:05:44 PM
Does anyone know if Karen Lowe examined any of the loose hairs that must have been around the body and compared to the one with the banding found in the car? Watching today's hearing now.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:10:13 PM
Gee......LKB's husband thinks hair is questionable.  Who would have guessed that?  I love shows that are slanted.  They even speak as if they have a clue.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Riley on June 04, 2011, 09:11:55 PM
The baby doll put the hair of a dead body in the trunk??? BWAH  ::MonkeyEek:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:12:11 PM
Is that the jury consultant that lost got disbarred for clocking her husband over the head with a perfume bottle?   Seriously, this case is giving me agida!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:12:59 PM
The baby doll put the hair of a dead body in the trunk??? BWAH  ::MonkeyEek:: 

Is it not scary that we live in a world with these many nitwits drinking tainted koolaid


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!


Not to mention Lee is alive....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:13:53 PM
Klaas, the thread page before this, a TV station like, I think. Your statement about 1/2 way down the page.

That is an article from one of the March hearings in this case where it came out that when Casey had one of her jail calls with Lee she said "when Melich read me my rights".  So Casey herself claims she was read her rights.
Jailhouse Conversation Should Not Affect Anthony Trial
In a jailhouse conversation between Casey Anthony and her brother Lee, Casey admits she was read her Miranda rights by the lead Orange county detective. Eyewitness News' legal analyst says that it should not be the bombshell it appears to be in the trial....

I think this is the link (I'n not real good at doing this)
http://www.wftv.com/video/27234477/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:14:55 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!


Not to mention Lee is alive....

I know!   Coo coo for cocoa puffs Im telling ya!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ChiChi on June 04, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
where is the stain, I didn't see the basketball sized stain either... the hair was found at the appropriate height where her head would have been placed if she were in the trunk.
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:15:37 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Wait until they get to the part where they say Casey acting as if nothing happened between her and her dad is proof of incest!!  All victims act as if nothing happened.  Well DUH???
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 09:16:03 PM
What part of the death band hair which comes ONLY from a dead person do these two a$$wipes don't understand on Judge Pirro? Hello it's called DEATH BAND for a reason.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:16:28 PM
Does anyone know if Karen Lowe examined any of the loose hairs that must have been around the body and compared to the one with the banding found in the car? Watching today's hearing now.

ChiChi, Ms. Lowe only testified today about the hair found in the car.  Other hairs were not introduced today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
What part of the death band hair which comes ONLY from a dead person do these two a$$wipes don't understand on Judge Pirro? Hello it's called DEATH BAND for a reason.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb
Maybe Lee is a dead man walking 
::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 09:20:08 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 09:21:23 PM
What part of the death band hair which comes ONLY from a dead person do these two a$$wipes don't understand on Judge Pirro? Hello it's called DEATH BAND for a reason.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb

This is what's so annoying. They have to be deliberately misstating the facts, because they must have some kind of knowledge/qualifications to get on Pirro's panel. But then again, what am I saying? Geraldo has his own show.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:23:38 PM
"Mom, I dont have anything"  "do you really understand how I feel in this"  "Its been a month, a month today that I've been here"   "I can't do anything from in here"   "I have to concentrate on my case"  on and on she demonstrates that she has no concern for Caylee whatsoever...this after reportedly looking for her for 31 days without telling anyone, but no she's trying to pin this on her family to take them with her...why?   Its simple, Casey gives us the answer  "Maybe its because Im a spiteful B!t*h!"

This is what will convict her...bottom line


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 09:24:51 PM
Dr. Bodin on Judge Jeannie. Can't he and his wife be in a conflict of interest suit for she was on the defense team and rumored to be a consultant now? Are these people paid for being on the show? Isn't it in the State's Labor Codes that you can't work for someone else's gain unless you are to paid (doesn't apply to family in a family business)whCA has this, IMO, so wouldn't NY where these shows are filmed or even in FLA?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ChiChi on June 04, 2011, 09:26:28 PM
Does anyone know if Karen Lowe examined any of the loose hairs that must have been around the body and compared to the one with the banding found in the car? Watching today's hearing now.

ChiChi, Ms. Lowe only testified today about the hair found in the car.  Other hairs were not introduced today.

I wonder if they have hairs collected at the body site which replicate the banding as well as the mitochondrial dna.  And if they will introduce more hair evidence found a the body site...  Baez, is so annoying with his attempt to discredit Lowe and minimize the significance of the banded hair.  It's like he doesn't get the fact that yea, we all loose hair, dumb a$$ but not ones with banding cause we're not DEAD!! ::boxingbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel

We do not get the Fox News Channel ... she I don't feel torn.  I will search for a transcript on the Fox website later.

Imagine!  This so-called "expert" has no clue in that there is no way that hair strand could belong to Lee.

Thanks again Scatty.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:27:41 PM
Phew, that panel gone...weve returned to some sanity in the next segment of Judge Jenine on Fox cable

"Almost half my bond" never mind to find my child, bail me out with it - they caught that, gives me great confidence that the jury caught all these glaring things too.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 04, 2011, 09:29:07 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:29:51 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel

We do not get the Fox News Channel ... she I don't feel torn.  I will search for a transcript on the Fox website later.

Imagine!  This so-called "expert" has no clue in that there is no way that hair strand could belong to Lee.

Thanks again Scatty.

Janet

He is a "tainted expert," his wife is Linda K Baden who is still a consultant for the defense, reason she left was because she wasnt going to get paid  when Casey was declared indigent yet she is....hmmm   They are both full of crap, period.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:30:18 PM
Dr Baden sold his credibilty to be able to boink old tight face..
Rod Wheeler with the miranda issue.. He should be one of us monks!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 09:31:09 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb
Then walked down the street and laid down in the woods, etc.
Bunch of jackazzzzes!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:31:19 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb

 ::rhino::


You know how devious those kids can be.  What a travesty.  It's sad that have to let this crap go so far.  I hope there are no total morons on the jury.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 09:31:27 PM
She was a POI and not in custody says man in Judge Jeanie so no Miranda necessary. IMO I head that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 09:32:23 PM
"heard"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:33:54 PM
She was a POI and not in custody says man in Judge Jeanie so no Miranda necessary. IMO I head that.

LOL.  Wait till Geraldo opens that vault tonight.....oh wait, he's going to prove Casey will walk!!!  My bad.

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::piggy:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:35:09 PM
She was a POI and not in custody says man in Judge Jeanie so no Miranda necessary. IMO I head that.

Rob Wheeler...she was NOT even a named POI (not a legal term) until after her Universal Studio interview with detectives...the perfect time to tell the truth and/or break down as soon as the detective hit a nerve by referencing mothers that have gone thru a series of things including a child drowning in a pool!  But yes, he's correct she was NOT in custody & when she was arrested she was indeed given her Miranda rights.  She volunteered all statements and was asked several times if she agreed to it from the moment they arrived at her house 7/15 thru to her arrest.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
She was a POI and not in custody says man in Judge Jeanie so no Miranda necessary. IMO I head that.

LOL.  Wait till Geraldo opens that vault tonight.....oh wait, he's going to prove Casey will walk!!!  My bad.

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::piggy:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::

I wish Fox cable would finally throw him in the vault & retire his pruney sorry @$$


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 09:37:15 PM
I LIKE this Rob Wheeler  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::boxingcasey::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 09:39:37 PM
http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/key-rulings-may-come-friday-casey-anthony-case/n3Km/

 ::snipping2::

But a recording has now surfaced in which Casey herself disputes that testimony.

"When Melich read me my rights in front of the other two detectives, [he] flat out said, 'I'm going to hold you as long as I can. There's going to be no bond, period,'" said Casey during a taped jailhouse conversation with her brother, Lee.


 ::snipping2::


Is there a recording of this?
Or is this casey(liar) speaking?
 

::MonkeyBike::


Yes there is a recording but I don't know if we have seen it yet.

Ok, if there is one , I can't see the jurors getting upset about it. 
      The jurors at this time know what casey is.

       I can't wait for the closing with either Linda or Jeff.
       Well also when they find out where casey put the body and  listen
       to Dr. G. 
       Guess I'm getting way a head of this....

       Hey Jesse Grund, when does he come up? ::MonkeyBike::




   
The cop wanted to find Caylee period.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:40:11 PM
This has to be the stupidest psychiatrist I have ever heard.. and I have worked with plenty of stupid ones  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:40:29 PM
Did this guy on Fox not hear George testify under oath that he had no part in Caylee's murder or disposal & that he did not molest her daughter, for Jiminie Crickett says!   He's not going to commit perjury after she has thrown her entire family under the bus in the most cruel way possible.   She had a fit in court because she knows they are not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

The more 'crap' I see with these idiots like Baden and Rivera...I know we have an amendment 'Freedom of Speech' but there should be a LAW against this kind of inaccurate reporting.  Seriously, it's just not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:41:47 PM
This has to be the stupidest psychiatrist I have ever heard.. and I have worked with plenty of stupid ones  ::MonkeyDevil::

I totally agree!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:45:08 PM
This has to be the stupidest psychiatrist I have ever heard.. and I have worked with plenty of stupid ones  ::MonkeyDevil::


He needs to write himself a script for reality pills.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:45:58 PM
how much time do yall think she will get ... everyone please


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:46:15 PM
The shrink seemed almost offended when Judge Pirro asked if KC was a psychopath. He said psychopaths make lying a lifestyle, to paraphrase him.. well duh.. get enlightened and know who you are flapping your gums about before you correct the judge  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:46:48 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

The more 'crap' I see with these idiots like Baden and Rivera...I know we have an amendment 'Freedom of Speech' but there should be a LAW against this kind of inaccurate reporting.  Seriously, it's just not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Shan, I have a real problem with these legal commentators & pundits that purposefully are disingenuous with what they say which is misleading to the public, especially those that are not familiar with the law in any great depth.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
how much time do yall think she will get ... everyone please

LWOP


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Mark Lippman is on.. Judge Pirro said she was in the courtroom for the 911 call..
Well, KC is infamous..not famous  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:49:09 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

The more 'crap' I see with these idiots like Baden and Rivera...I know we have an amendment 'Freedom of Speech' but there should be a LAW against this kind of inaccurate reporting.  Seriously, it's just not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Shan, I have a real problem with these legal commentators & pundits that purposefully are disingenuous with what they say which is misleading to the public, especially those that are not familiar with the law in any great depth.

Thankfully, the jury is sequestered and will never hear the BS.  These morons will be forgotten.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
how much time do yall think she will get ... everyone please
I think she will get the DP..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
"Mom, I dont have anything"  "do you really understand how I feel in this"  "Its been a month, a month today that I've been here"   "I can't do anything from in here"   "I have to concentrate on my case"  on and on she demonstrates that she has no concern for Caylee whatsoever...this after reportedly looking for her for 31 days without telling anyone, but no she's trying to pin this on her family to take them with her...why?   Its simple, Casey gives us the answer  "Maybe its because Im a spiteful B!t*h!"

This is what will convict her...bottom line

Think the combination of that and putting the duct tape on before Calyee died..
 ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ChiChi on June 04, 2011, 09:50:17 PM
how much time do yall think she will get ... everyone please

LWOP

I agree LWOP ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: wreck on June 04, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
how much time do yall think she will get ... everyone please
If the Defense doesn't start to turn around their ridiculous approach to this case -- she is going to get the needle for sure. This defense is making it worse for their client.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
The Anthonys really lucked out when they retained this attorney. He seems genuine and smart. Go figure.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
Looks like Rob and Leonard are coming up.  15 minutes part duex!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: theboyzmom on June 04, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb
Then walked down the street and laid down in the woods, etc.
Bunch of jackazzzzes!

Actually, Yuri murdered her to become an AMW all star nominee. too bad his plan was foiled.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 09:56:23 PM
LP has outlived his 15 minutes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 09:56:40 PM
Lippman said, they found out SIX weeks ago what the defense was planning...Cindy and George were in shock when they heard Baez accuse George of molestation in his OS.

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:57:48 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:58:10 PM
he is on judge pirros


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 09:59:06 PM
So Caylee played in the trunk, put duct tape on herself, died and after she died she pulled out ONE piece of hair and placed it on her baby doll!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

pb
Then walked down the street and laid down in the woods, etc.
Bunch of jackazzzzes!

Actually, Yuri murdered her to become an AMW all star nominee. too bad his plan was foiled.  ::MonkeyDevil::
that makes sense shhhh dont tell baez


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 09:59:07 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
Mark Lippman said that he cant go into attorney/client privilege but what we see speaks volumes.  The family is going to look at her mental evaluation, she isnt insane but obviously there is something wrong for her to have done the things she has done, leaving it for the jury as far as justice being served.  They feel she needs help....well she can get that help behind bars & never see the light of day again.

From that I take it they will not stand in the way of justice but will plead for her life at the end.  Also, his words tell me that they know she murdered Caylee.

Rob Dick and Leonard Padilla are on now live (Fox cable)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 09:59:47 PM
Padilla sounds koo-koo sometimes. Lately more often than not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
Leonard was able to get all of this info from Kronks estranged family... If Kronk was so estranged from his son and didnt get along with his ex... would he tell them anything.. I smell BS.. I DO think it is possible his GF that worked at the jail clued him in


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:01:05 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!

He insists she worked at the jail & got that word to Kronk, but the entrire moving the body & all that crap is NONSENSE


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!

DonFL

He sure is  ::MonkeyHaHa:: the ONLY thing he said that made sense was that George did not do anything to ICA.


pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 10:02:14 PM
Mark Lippman said that he cant go into attorney/client privilege but what we see speaks volumes.  The family is going to look at her mental evaluation, she isnt insane but obviously there is something wrong for her to have done the things she has done, leaving it for the jury as far as justice being served.  They feel she needs help....well she can get that help behind bars & never see the light of day again.

From that I take it they will not stand in the way of justice but will plead for her life at the end.  Also, his words tell me that they know she murdered Caylee.

Rob Dick and Leonard Padilla are on now live (Fox cable)

That is what I took it as too...I think they will plead for her life, but are expecting her to be convicted...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:03:14 PM
LP accuses BOZO of knowing where the body was


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:03:20 PM
The Anthonys really lucked out when they retained this attorney. He seems genuine and smart. Go figure.. ::MonkeyCool::
omg gerlado is saying that jose baez is the next johny cochran.. I changed it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:03:30 PM
Geraldo called Baex "Juanny Cochran"  LMAO!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 10:04:09 PM
Leonard was able to get all of this info from Kronks estranged family... If Kronk was so estranged from his son and didnt get along with his ex... would he tell them anything.. I smell BS.. I DO think it is possible his GF that worked at the jail clued him in

Did Kronk's girlfriend also say George did it and put the body there?
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 10:04:10 PM
Leonard was able to get all of this info from Kronks estranged family... If Kronk was so estranged from his son and didnt get along with his ex... would he tell them anything.. I smell BS.. I DO think it is possible his GF that worked at the jail clued him in

Well... we all know what reliable an ex can be....particularly if it was a nasty break up....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:04:11 PM

Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet

One would think so, unless the duct tape ripped them out before that could happen. I admit that I haven't read about the duct tape hairs yet. So, I honestly don't know.

I don't know if these are Caylee's hairs ,they were from evidence that was released.
But why would they check for a death band when they found a dead Caylee that doesn't make sense to me . Checking in the trunk for a hair with a death band means she was in the trunk.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/21610jjg.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:04:18 PM
Geraldo called Baex "Juanny Cochran"  LMAO!!!

self edit: oops! BAEZ aka BOZO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:04:19 PM
LP accuses BOZO of knowing where the body was

He sure did

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
is geraldo as delusional as baez  or is he doing this to annoy those that hate him and casey?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
I think the Baez knew about where the body was and that is why he sent out that detective to look for her in that area in which she was found. Can Baez held for anything if he knew about a dead body and didn't tell police?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 04, 2011, 10:04:40 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:04:56 PM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

The more 'crap' I see with these idiots like Baden and Rivera...I know we have an amendment 'Freedom of Speech' but there should be a LAW against this kind of inaccurate reporting.  Seriously, it's just not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Shan, I have a real problem with these legal commentators & pundits that purposefully are disingenuous with what they say which is misleading to the public, especially those that are not familiar with the law in any great depth.

I just can't stand it.  Those of us familiar with this case understand the fact that they are totally FOS but a lot of others do not know much about it and can be swayed by their DELIBERATE act to sway in their favor.  I just don't think it should be allowed.  Period.  It's appalling. I am so frustrated with Bozo and that DT that I couldn't even watch today.  I pray that the jury will see through him and do what's right.  The media reports with these 'expert' panels are making me wanna  ::pullinghairout:: I just feel that all these so called 'experts' should have to stick with the FACTS.  A baby was murdered and their thoughts are on 5 minutes of fame.  I guess it goes hand in hand with the world we live in.  Sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:05:19 PM
Geraldo called Baex "Juanny Cochran"  LMAO!!!

self edit: oops! BAEZ aka BOZO
excuse me but johhny cochran didnt get disbarred and bozo may just do so!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:06:46 PM
Geraldo called Baex "Juanny Cochran"  LMAO!!!

He wishes he could be attributed to that man, rest his soul...now that was a talented defense attorney & nor did he have to be classless in the process.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:07:14 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.
::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::
we need a drink... to relieve this stresssssss


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:07:15 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: that's what I just asked myself.

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:07:29 PM
I used to think Craig had half a brain.  He needs to get away from Geraldo if he want to go anywhere.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 04, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
Who is this attractive,restless young woman??????OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! I need more meds for my migrane.... ::boxingbaez:: ::boxingbaez::

Only reason I use that one is we dont have one for whorealdo...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:08:23 PM
Earth to Geraldo, she is not in a "fantasy world" she is a liar, a pathological lying narcissistic sociopath, a cold blooded killer, thief and HO, period.   There is nothing to sympathize with that, nothing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:08:50 PM
Geraldo called Baex "Juanny Cochran"  LMAO!!!

He wishes he could be attributed to that man, rest his soul...now that was a talented defense attorney & nor did he have to be classless in the process.


johnny was a very good attorney.. he was respected highly!! for his professionalism.. his courtroom performance was one of great skill! he was totaly one of a kind...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:09:35 PM
 ::boxingbaez::  ::boxingcasey::
Klaas, can we have one for Geraldo?  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Earth to Geraldo, she is not in a "fantasy world" she is a liar, a pathological lying narcissistic sociopath, a cold blooded killer, thief and HO, period.   There is nothing to sympathize with that, nothing.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::boxingcasey::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: that's what I just asked myself.

pb
are you into self torture lol! change the channel


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 04, 2011, 10:11:45 PM
lol my mom called me to tell me what geraldo saiid... than before that she called about padilla lol .. she is getting into this too and hates bozo/geraldo as much as  we all do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:12:24 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: that's what I just asked myself.

pb
are you into self torture lol! change the channel



haha  ::monkeywine2::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Maybe they didn't check for the death band on a dead Caylee body. why would they, they already knew she was dead.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:13:46 PM
The criminal defense attorney agrees with the motive KC wanted to be free..
Geraldo probably wants to get a good boink in.. he's a ho too


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:14:33 PM
The criminal defense attorney agrees with the motive KC wanted to be free..
Geraldo probably wants to get a good boink in.. he's a ho too

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:15:19 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: that's what I just asked myself.

pb
are you into self torture lol! change the channel



haha  ::monkeywine2::

pb

Well, I have to admit I am enjoyed Geraldo getting bombarded by Julia Murrow & Lisa Wiehl...those few minutes were worth the torture  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:16:19 PM
Geraldo is the epitome of the phrase "say what you want about me, just spell my name right".  Sleaze!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
Mark Lippman said that he cant go into attorney/client privilege but what we see speaks volumes.  The family is going to look at her mental evaluation, she isnt insane but obviously there is something wrong for her to have done the things she has done, leaving it for the jury as far as justice being served.  They feel she needs help....well she can get that help behind bars & never see the light of day again.

From that I take it they will not stand in the way of justice but will plead for her life at the end.  Also, his words tell me that they know she murdered Caylee.

Rob Dick and Leonard Padilla are on now live (Fox cable)

I missed Lippman but what you got out of it was that the Anthony's (George and Cindy) NOW believe that she murdered Caylee?  I sure hope so.  They were in denial their whole lives with that monster.  Seeing the jailhouse tapes now, I do believe they were trying as hard as they could to get information from her.  She ran the show and they had to be careful not to pizz her off so they could find Caylee.  Didn't go well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:17:25 PM
The criminal defense attorney agrees with the motive KC wanted to be free..
Geraldo probably wants to get a good boink in.. he's a ho too

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

The only reasons he is buying this defense crap is because his buddy probably promised him the one and only exclusive interview with Casey after her conviction, in turn Geraldo promised Bozo a commentating position on his show....dear God hopefully not much longer that he has one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Maybe they didn't check for the death band on a dead Caylee body. why would they, they already knew she was dead.
Sorry for the stack.
Blonde, I believed someone here said that the hair from the duct tape had no banding and that proved it was put there before death. Thats what had me confused. The duct tape evidence hasnt come in yet
IMO, it is not possible to tell if the duct tape was put on before she died or 1 hr after she died..but.. I believed she killed her with it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 04, 2011, 10:18:41 PM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.
That was FAKE a JOKE ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:19:16 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!

DonFL

He sure is  ::MonkeyHaHa:: the ONLY thing he said that made sense was that George did not do anything to ICA.


pb

I hope he gets sued.  He has pulled rabbits out of his hat from the beginning.  I hope the rabbits ran away now.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
Mark Lippman said that he cant go into attorney/client privilege but what we see speaks volumes.  The family is going to look at her mental evaluation, she isnt insane but obviously there is something wrong for her to have done the things she has done, leaving it for the jury as far as justice being served.  They feel she needs help....well she can get that help behind bars & never see the light of day again.

From that I take it they will not stand in the way of justice but will plead for her life at the end.  Also, his words tell me that they know she murdered Caylee.

Rob Dick and Leonard Padilla are on now live (Fox cable)

I missed Lippman but what you got out of it was that the Anthony's (George and Cindy) NOW believe that she murdered Caylee?  I sure hope so.  They were in denial their whole lives with that monster.  Seeing the jailhouse tapes now, I do believe they were trying as hard as they could to get information from her.  She ran the show and they had to be careful not to pizz her off so they could find Caylee.  Didn't go well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes   It is my belief that during that farce of an opening statement by Bozo including the wild accusations they right then and there realized she had to have murdered Caylee, compared to all the other crap they heard or wanted to believe.   I think they wanted to believe someone else had to be involved & influenced her or that there was an accident...thus the protection & all the inexcuseable things they did to that end.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 04, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.
Sitting through Mr. BuyAzzzz is enough for me.
Good night all, I am
 :smt015


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:21:29 PM
Oh lord! Do I have the stomach to sit through Geraldo? Does anyone? He's on now. Ugh.
Sitting through Mr. BuyAzzzz is enough for me.
Good night all, I am
 :smt015

Good Night Sister

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4myjoey on June 04, 2011, 10:22:48 PM
::boxingbaez::  ::boxingcasey::
Klaas, can we have one for Geraldo?  ::MonkeyDevil::

And Mason?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2011, 10:24:06 PM
I hope the jury is appreciating the heat in Florida in June with all the trunk talk.
Great point, it's been pushing 100 or hit 100 the past 5 days here and inland it is MISERABLE...if we didn't have a constant breeze, I'd never go outside...

Also, Whorealdo is on BS'ing with his theories and not one person even the defense atty will agree with him. I am seeing him and Bozo on a boat during a Cat 5 and it's not pretty..sorry, I was dreaming. Will run over to break room LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:24:15 PM
I think the Baez knew about where the body was and that is why he sent out that detective to look for her in that area in which she was found. Can Baez held for anything if he knew about a dead body and didn't tell police?

Yes, that is a really big deal.  If he KNEW where Caylee was and purposely sent someone to that area to look for her and it's proven...he's going to jail. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:25:21 PM
Dr Keith Ablow discussing what may be present if she was sexually abuse.   OMG, people listen to yourselves & look at this cold beeotch before you make comparisons.  I cant stand them ignoring the elephant in the room, why is she accusing BOTH her father & brother & what are the statistics of that transpiring, rare.  IMHO THE ALLEGATIONS ARE A FARCE...now what?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:25:32 PM
I think Geraldo might be on the edge at Fox.  All of my TV listings for this time slot say "Stossel".  I hope he is gone after this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
If Navarro agrees with Geraldo I'm playing the race card.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:29:09 PM
If Navarro agrees with Geraldo I'm playing the race card.   ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is coming from someone who is half Latina

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2011, 10:29:59 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.


Agreed, also haven't seen any @ss kicking that he promised either.

WRT the miranda rights and I understood this is Florida law so I checked Mark NeJame's FB page and IIRC he too is a defense atty, this was his answer to someone asking that question:

Why is Baez trying to make us believe that Melich was wrong br not reading Casey her Miranda rights sooner, and will they get an appeal b/c of that? Geraldo Rivero stated on Fox and Friends yesterday that will happen??? I so hope he's wrong. So much tax dollar money going toward this already.

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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!

DonFL

He sure is  ::MonkeyHaHa:: the ONLY thing he said that made sense was that George did not do anything to ICA.


pb

I hope he gets sued.  He has pulled rabbits out of his hat from the beginning.  I hope the rabbits ran away now.   ::MonkeyEek::
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:32:01 PM
I think Geraldo might be on the edge at Fox.  All of my TV listings for this time slot say "Stossel".  I hope he is gone after this.


He's been slowly & painfully getting weeded out.   He used to be on weekday evenings, tons of special reports then they tried to move him to a show that failed on Fox syndicated but then he returned to weekends only and most of the time his slot gets preempted with other specials...get er done Fox   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:33:31 PM
I'm going to try to go to sleep... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Monkeys

God Bless  ::MonkeyAngel::

JUSTICE for CAYLEE MARIE  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:33:33 PM
Mark Lippman said that he cant go into attorney/client privilege but what we see speaks volumes.  The family is going to look at her mental evaluation, she isnt insane but obviously there is something wrong for her to have done the things she has done, leaving it for the jury as far as justice being served.  They feel she needs help....well she can get that help behind bars & never see the light of day again.

From that I take it they will not stand in the way of justice but will plead for her life at the end.  Also, his words tell me that they know she murdered Caylee.

Rob Dick and Leonard Padilla are on now live (Fox cable)

I missed Lippman but what you got out of it was that the Anthony's (George and Cindy) NOW believe that she murdered Caylee?  I sure hope so.  They were in denial their whole lives with that monster.  Seeing the jailhouse tapes now, I do believe they were trying as hard as they could to get information from her.  She ran the show and they had to be careful not to pizz her off so they could find Caylee.  Didn't go well.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes   It is my belief that during that farce of an opening statement by Bozo including the wild accusations they right then and there realized she had to have murdered Caylee, compared to all the other crap they heard or wanted to believe.   I think they wanted to believe someone else had to be involved & influenced her or that there was an accident...thus the protection & all the inexcuseable things they did to that end.   

Thanks Capp.  I enjoy your posts.  Very well said.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
Oh my goodness, Geraldo says (on Fox news channel, just  now) defense has an ace in the hole, no Miranda rights given to her. Well, my question is this, if this is true, why not have the case thrown out before now and save FLA lots of $$? Who wasn't this brought up in the defense's opening statement. Remember Geraldo is a friend of the defense atty.


Agreed, also haven't seen any @ss kicking that he promised either.

WRT the miranda rights and I understood this is Florida law so I checked Mark NeJame's FB page and IIRC he too is a defense atty, this was his answer to someone asking that question:

Why is Baez trying to make us believe that Melich was wrong br not reading Casey her Miranda rights sooner, and will they get an appeal b/c of that? Geraldo Rivero stated on Fox and Friends yesterday that will happen??? I so hope he's wrong. So much tax dollar money going toward this already.

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They dont have a snowballs chance in H E double hockey sticks...she was not in custody upon her arrest she was given her Miranda rights.   Casey herself said Yuri read her rights.   If this issue was strong they would have won that argument long ago.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pinkbanana on June 04, 2011, 10:34:34 PM
one more before I go  ::boxingcasey::  ::boxingbaez::  ::boxingcasey::  ::boxingbaez::

 ::justice2NJ::

pb  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:34:36 PM
I'm going to try to go to sleep... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Monkeys

God Bless  ::MonkeyAngel::

JUSTICE for CAYLEE MARIE  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

Good night...sleep well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:36:13 PM
Nite pb and tks Shan


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:41:26 PM
g'nite pb..shan
and now folks.. alan dershowitz..  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2011, 10:41:54 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!
::rhino::

Can I help too (please!) ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

That man is such a phony goof!!

DonFL

He sure is  ::MonkeyHaHa:: the ONLY thing he said that made sense was that George did not do anything to ICA.


pb

I hope he gets sued.  He has pulled rabbits out of his hat from the beginning.  I hope the rabbits ran away now.   ::MonkeyEek::
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 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:44:55 PM
I'm going to try to go to sleep... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Monkeys

God Bless  ::MonkeyAngel::

JUSTICE for CAYLEE MARIE  ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

Good night pb   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!
::rhino::

Can I help too (please!) ::MonkeyMad::

LOL...furthermore, very distinctly the detectives had the nanny as the suspect at the time, Casey was considered the mother of a missing child up until they arrested her AFTER all her lies & they verified many of them of being just that LIES.  She was then arrested for lying to a police officer & child neglect....not murder.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

I didnt hear that last part, the dogs needed to go out in the yard...but IMHO there is no doubt he's educated & accredited but ever since hes become a mediawhore he's joined the ranks with tainted koolaid drinkers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 04, 2011, 10:48:52 PM
All of this just let's us know that there are people out there that see things differently than we do.  However, that doesn't make them right.  I feel she will be convicted of 1st degree murder and get LWOP.  I do not think she will get a reversal.  So Geraldo and a senile sheriff do not agree.....oh well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 04, 2011, 10:50:30 PM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!

I lasted 5 whole minutes with these morons.   ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::  (thank you for the geraldo emoticon...BLISS!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!
::rhino::

Can I help too (please!) ::MonkeyMad::

Count me in!   ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

Could NOT have said it better myself.  I USED to respect him.  Not no more!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 10:54:01 PM
All of this just let's us know that there are people out there that see things differently than we do.  However, that doesn't make them right.  I feel she will be convicted of 1st degree murder and get LWOP.  I do not think she will get a reversal.  So Geraldo and a senile sheriff do not agree.....oh well.

ITA, She will be convicted & get LWOP (slight possibility of DP) & they will fail with a reversal.  IF given the DP, she will fail on automatic appeal & beyond on anything that has been discussed thus far.

SO take that  ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:56:18 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

I didnt hear that last part, the dogs needed to go out in the yard...but IMHO there is no doubt he's educated & accredited but ever since hes become a mediawhore he's joined the ranks with tainted koolaid drinkers.
he said she is ill and needs help... really? I didnt know psychopaths could be helped.. kind of like trying to cure a pedophile


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:56:58 PM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned

Remember when he had his talk show and got hit in the nose with a chair?  I WANNA do that to him...and many others looking for their 5 min of fame.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 10:58:32 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

I didnt hear that last part, the dogs needed to go out in the yard...but IMHO there is no doubt he's educated & accredited but ever since hes become a mediawhore he's joined the ranks with tainted koolaid drinkers.
he said she is ill and needs help... really? I didnt know psychopaths could be helped.. kind of like trying to cure a pedophile


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

I didnt hear that last part, the dogs needed to go out in the yard...but IMHO there is no doubt he's educated & accredited but ever since hes become a mediawhore he's joined the ranks with tainted koolaid drinkers.
he said she is ill and needs help... really? I didnt know psychopaths could be helped.. kind of like trying to cure a pedophile

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::    ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 10:59:16 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!

send them your avatar and that will change their tune for sure ((smiles)) I can hardly wait for the detective that Baez had looking for the body gets on the stand! I think I heard he is now testifying for the prosecution Pavers... I hope he talks about pavers


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Dana on June 04, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned

Remember when he had his talk show and got hit in the nose with a chair?  I WANNA do that to him...and many others looking for their 5 min of fame.   ::MonkeyEek::


Funny he Geraldo hasnt brought on Murt and called him an expert on the case   ::MonkeyHaHa::

For those of you who know who Murt is


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 04, 2011, 11:01:11 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!
::rhino::

Can I help too (please!) ::MonkeyMad::

Geraldo just cutting him down, because Yuri is everything he's not.
Good looking guy too.....If I was only younger....
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:04:03 PM
Dr Keith Ablow... you are dead to me now.  ::MonkeyShocked:: I used to like and respect you.. another one who has sold their professional integrity for a few bits of silver

I didnt hear that last part, the dogs needed to go out in the yard...but IMHO there is no doubt he's educated & accredited but ever since hes become a mediawhore he's joined the ranks with tainted koolaid drinkers.
he said she is ill and needs help... really? I didnt know psychopaths could be helped.. kind of like trying to cure a pedophile

Yes, as a matter of fact she does need help so let's give it to her....a rope  ::boxingcasey::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 11:04:08 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:04:27 PM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned

Remember when he had his talk show and got hit in the nose with a chair?  I WANNA do that to him...and many others looking for their 5 min of fame.   ::MonkeyEek::


Funny he Geraldo hasnt brought on Murt and called him an expert on the case   ::MonkeyHaHa::

For those of you who know who Murt is
Dana, thats priceless..rolling with Murt.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:05:53 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?
Murt bought an old TV van and streamed alot of the search for Caylee on his Murtcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Dana on June 04, 2011, 11:06:04 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

Klass tell the folks about Murt and what he is about


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Wish to do some research. What is the name of the IMO good looking, kindof bald former NY detective who appears on HLN shows? He was on yesterday, I think on 2 HLN shows.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 04, 2011, 11:12:17 PM
Oh I remember Murt now. Very funny Dana. ::monkeywine2:: Pretending in Hawaii. I must be happy hour. V8 juice


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Dana on June 04, 2011, 11:15:21 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?
Murt bought an old TV van and streamed alot of the search for Caylee on his Murtcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Murt Witness One I think he called it.'He buddied up with Leonard Padilla during the Anthony case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 04, 2011, 11:15:31 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Murt is a guy in Orlando that has his own media van with cameras and stuff, that gets involved in these cases.  He actually got too involved in the Trenton Duckett case and got himself in trouble with the law.  He's a bit of a kook.  

https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE (https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE)

And yes, he got teamed up with Leonard, actually Leonard USED him.  Leonard would tell Murt where he was going to be and Murt would broadcast it on the internet.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shan1628 on June 04, 2011, 11:16:31 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?
Murt bought an old TV van and streamed alot of the search for Caylee on his Murtcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Murt witness one live cam?!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Too funny! 

Good night to all the monkeys still hangin' in the cage!  Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 04, 2011, 11:21:49 PM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!

I want to give them "the finger" hehe ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 04, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Murt is a guy in Orlando that has his own media van with cameras and stuff, that gets involved in these cases.  He actually got too involved in the Trenton Duckett case and got himself in trouble with the law.  He's a bit of a kook.  

https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE (https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE)

And yes, he got teamed up with Leonard, actually Leonard USED him.  Leonard would tell Murt where he was going to be and Murt would broadcast it on the internet.

I would never, ever name a dog Murt-I love my pets  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 04, 2011, 11:33:30 PM
Well after that two hours we wont get back Im gonna say good night but not before I get in my last licks for the day
::boxingcasey::   ::boxinggeraldo2::  ::boxingbaez2::


::MonkeyAngel:: Justice for Caylee  ::MonkeyAngel::



 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 11:36:33 PM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Murt is a guy in Orlando that has his own media van with cameras and stuff, that gets involved in these cases.  He actually got too involved in the Trenton Duckett case and got himself in trouble with the law.  He's a bit of a kook. 

https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE (https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE)

And yes, he got teamed up with Leonard, actually Leonard USED him.  Leonard would tell Murt where he was going to be and Murt would broadcast it on the internet.
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Murt is a guy in Orlando that has his own media van with cameras and stuff, that gets involved in these cases.  He actually got too involved in the Trenton Duckett case and got himself in trouble with the law.  He's a bit of a kook. 

https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE (https://twitter.com/#!/MURTWITNESSONE)

And yes, he got teamed up with Leonard, actually Leonard USED him.  Leonard would tell Murt where he was going to be and Murt would broadcast it on the internet.
Murt really hurt the Duckett family by implying he knew who had Trenton and where Trenton was.  No one should play with a family's emotions that way.  The scary part is that he didn't learn his lesson with Trenton's case.  Murt is stupid dangerous.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 11:37:20 PM
Sry mods.  I have no idea how I managed to double quote.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 04, 2011, 11:46:04 PM
May is a major ratings period for television.  Talking heads will use this case to increase viewership in order to promote their own shows and popular and keep the money coming in.  Sadly, yet again, Caylee is victimized.  Exploited by her mother, murdered by her mother, exploited by her grandparents, exploited by Jose, exploited by media.  When will this precious baby ever find peace?
 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 04, 2011, 11:47:48 PM
Goodnight monks!   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 04, 2011, 11:53:41 PM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image21-7.png)

I am willing to bet this is the only look you will see on Casey all day today.
t

Late to the party, sorry!  Just wanted to identify this look.  Ladies and gentlemen, I present Disdain, the sister of contempt and arrogance. JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 05, 2011, 12:01:27 AM


Remember Lee's jailhouse video with Casey? He told Casey Jose's order of importance and priorities. He said, you Casey are first, Caylee is second,,,and then he listed a few others in order.  Lee was wrong. Baez's priority is himself, then Casey, then Caylee and so forth...although I do not see Caylee as anywhere in his agenda, Sad, isn't it?

Mr Baez does not have one character trait that I find even remotely appealing or worthy of respect.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image22-5.png)

Had to capture Baez's stance during the sidebar.

sheesh

I've noticed this is pretty typical for Baez at sidebars.  He's only stands there because he has to.  We see the same attitude by the same behavior when he is being instructed, rebuked, and corrected by JBP.  The Bible says that a man who will not accept correction is stupid. That's the only time I've ever seen the word stupid in the Bible too. WOW!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 12:03:19 AM
The real victims here...
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q311/KittyMom5/ctv/cayleepoppa.jpg)



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 12:04:14 AM
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image23-4.png)

15-minute mid-morning recess.

Probably preparing Bozo's cross

Wonder if Jose left his Blackberry on the table or on his chair?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:06:23 AM
Well after that two hours we wont get back Im gonna say good night but not before I get in my last licks for the day
::boxingcasey::   ::boxinggeraldo2::  ::boxingbaez2::


::MonkeyAngel:: Justice for Caylee  ::MonkeyAngel::



 


oh this is too cool lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 05, 2011, 12:09:35 AM


Tonight, as most nights, I get my second wind as everyone else is retiring for the evening.

While I am thinking about it...I tend to pull up the CNN link to watch the trial, the wftv link cam on casey.

The links with the double screens I was not able to connect with today. Could that link please be added to the first post? It would be most helpful. Thanks!

  ::boxinggeraldo2::   ::boxingbaez2::   ::boxingcasey2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: Justice will prevail, Keep the faith




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 12:11:37 AM


Tonight, as most nights, I get my second wind as everyone else is retiring for the evening.

While I am thinking about it...I tend to pull up the CNN link to watch the trial, the wftv link cam on casey.

The links with the double screens I was not able to connect with today. Could that link please be added to the first post? It would be most helpful. Thanks!

  ::boxinggeraldo2::   ::boxingbaez2::   ::boxingcasey2::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: Justice will prevail, Keep the faith




I think that link is already there but maybe the split wasn't working all day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
Guys, I'm confused about the hair on the duct tape. The tape was found still wrapped across Caylee's skull & was attached to her hair...right? Well, I understand the concept of hair w/o banding shown would have meant it was applied to a "living" Caylee, however it was found still attached to part if her skull which kept her mandible in place. When Caylee's remains were found, obviously she was dead, so how could all of the hairs found attached to the duct tape have not shown a deatg band? It doesn't make sense that Casey would have duct taped Caylee's nose/mouth & then ripped it off so that hair came out while Caylee was still alive, then placed that tape back across her face which ensured her mandible stayed in place (hence her tooth impression in the tape), yet not a single hair attached to the tape had a death band even though it was found on her deceased skull? This is what Baez is arguing. This is why Linda Kenney Baden stayed on as a consultant...she is married to Michael Baden. They are anti dp and trying to save Casey's life.

I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. I think she'll be found guilty. I just don't think she'll get the dp. 

Titch

Could it be that only one hair with the death band was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle by investigators following Cindy's cleaning spree and ... that one hair was proof that Caylee had been in the trunk.

The hairs stuck to the duct tape ... the duct tape which was found among other items when Caylee remains were located ... most likely had the death band but does not prove the State's case that Caylee was in the trunk.

Janet




OK so when they found Caylee in the woods they didn't have to check for the death band because she was dead .They were just trying to prove that the dead band hair was in Casey's car = Casey had her in the trunk..

Right, but according to WesternObserver there were no hairs with death bands found  on the hairs stuck to the duct tape, that's what was specifically posted & it just doesn't make sense to me bc it's completely opposite of any lab study I ever did in college. I understand that not all hairs will show a deathband from a deceased person but it's highly unlikely for not a single hair attached to that duct tape found wrapped on Caylee's skull to have death banding. Especially considering the State is going with the theory that the duct tape was placed prior to her death and contributed to her death. If that's the case, at least one of those hairs from her skull should have had a deathband. I'm going off of what WesternObserver posted. I still need to look at the technical forensic report where the duct tape was examined. For that syringe to be found inside of a toilet paper roll and those inside of a Gatorade bottle which had traces of chloroform in it is enough for me. I just don't know about the duct tape info. The fact that Caylee was discarded the way she was, and the fact that a hair with deathbanding belonging to Caylee was found in Casey's trunk, well it should be enough to convict no matter what. Problem is establishing murder vs accident. In order for Casey to receive a stifff sentence, murder has to be 100% established, otherwise the evidence could be considered circumstantial & she could end up with manslaughter. She will serve time for sure...question is how much...unless she actually gets the dp. I just don't see the dp going through in this case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:16:25 AM
O  NO he didnt!!!!!!   :smt075   Geraldo just referred to Yuri's testimony as "willful ignorance"  o heck to the no  :smt076  and Alan Dershowitz is absolutely wrong as well.  The interview as not rough, not by a long shot!    OMG these idiots, I just wanna reach thru the screen and go BadaBing with their heads banged together!!!
::rhino::

Can I help too (please!) ::MonkeyMad::


Geraldo just cutting him down, because Yuri is everything he's not.
Good looking guy too.....If I was only younger....
 ::MonkeyBike::

gerlado and baez are so much alike. In their haste to make a name for their selves they destroy their credibility and self respect. In fact I see so much of gerlados arrogance in jose! I see them both insult people with no class or professionalism!!  no one has a whole lot of respect for geraldo.

He doesnt know when to draw the line. If baez was such a  johnny cochran.. why is he referring to his cell for tips on how to proceed. Doesnt say much for the so called re-known mason.. he is just as ignerent as baez and he doesnt seem to be helping baez any. so many attorney and still they cant pull this off to come off with a decent organized presentation. baez running to get files from his car/forgetting files at home. Having a desk scattered cluttered! the list goes on. Those jail house c videos have been out since 08... baez had many chances to prepare  for this trial. He was too busy making the media circle   to promote himself and thats exactly what geraldo has done for himself all these years...he and baez are just two inept idiots... ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:19:08 AM
I got my second wind too lol... have been up since 5 am... I was going to watch judge pirro but ! dr badens rambling on and I just changed it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: espresso lover on June 05, 2011, 12:23:20 AM
omg leonords on and is saying kronks girlfriend told kronk where to find the body!!

Does anyone else recall LP and his so called "DAISY CHAIN THEORY" back somewhere after he had gotten involved ?? I know it was greatly discussed but can't recall when or how to find it...may be interesting to go through it again??

I do recall something about Kronk's supposed GF working for the jail I think and all the speculation evolving around.

I do not know if his saying it again on tv can cause him to be sued ? Anyone know ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 12:29:47 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/26876699/detail.html

This is from back in Feb.  It would seem that both Mason and Baez have grievances filed against them.  Is there any way to track the status of such?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 12:33:38 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 

If she was alive when the duct tape was wrapped around her head, the hair would not have death bands because she died afterward. What was attached to the tape would be free of death bands because she died later than applied.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 05, 2011, 12:35:01 AM


I will leave with this thought. Baez is a little man with a chip on his shoulder-and it shows.

Keep rocking on your feet little man, stumble and stutter over your words, endure the humiliation of the judge telling you how to do what you should have learned in law school, work that neck and both those chins-sleep well and may the Lord have mercy on your soul.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 12:37:10 AM
Dr. Keith Ablow was on Geraldo's show and said that KC is incredibly "gifted" at duplicity.

He was not on Judge Jeannine Pirro's show.

Dr. Ablow shaves his head bald.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:37:12 AM
Not all hair from a deceased and or decomposing person has a deathband.  The scientists and experts do not know why this is a fact, it simply is a fact.
The only known source of a hair with a deathband is a decomposing body.
The deathband hair found in the trunk has only one known source and that is a decomposing body.
Although hairs on the duct tape were found, it was already known they were hairs from a deceased/decomposed person.  We do not know with certainity if there were any hairs with the deathband because those hairs have not been entered into evidence.
The hair found in the trunk equals a decomposing body.  Further testimony regarding decomposistion residing in the air samples, carpet samples, etc. will be forthcoming.
Thank You Sister!

Thanks so much Sister.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:11:22 AM

Right, but according to WesternObserver there were no hairs with death bands found  on the hairs stuck to the duct tape, that's what was specifically posted & it just doesn't make sense to me bc it's completely opposite of any lab study I ever did in college. I understand that not all hairs will show a deathband from a deceased person but it's highly unlikely for not a single hair attached to that duct tape found wrapped on Caylee's skull to have death banding. Especially considering the State is going with the theory that the duct tape was placed prior to her death and contributed to her death. If that's the case, at least one of those hairs from her skull should have had a deathband. I'm going off of what WesternObserver posted. I still need to look at the technical forensic report where the duct tape was examined. For that syringe to be found inside of a toilet paper roll and those inside of a Gatorade bottle which had traces of chloroform in it is enough for me. I just don't know about the duct tape info. The fact that Caylee was discarded the way she was, and the fact that a hair with deathbanding belonging to Caylee was found in Casey's trunk, well it should be enough to convict no matter what. Problem is establishing murder vs accident. In order for Casey to receive a stifff sentence, murder has to be 100% established, otherwise the evidence could be considered circumstantial & she could end up with manslaughter. She will serve time for sure...question is how much...unless she actually gets the dp. I just don't see the dp going through in this case.

Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.
5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Green Eyes on June 05, 2011, 01:22:21 AM

Right, but according to WesternObserver there were no hairs with death bands found  on the hairs stuck to the duct tape, that's what was specifically posted & it just doesn't make sense to me bc it's completely opposite of any lab study I ever did in college. I understand that not all hairs will show a deathband from a deceased person but it's highly unlikely for not a single hair attached to that duct tape found wrapped on Caylee's skull to have death banding. Especially considering the State is going with the theory that the duct tape was placed prior to her death and contributed to her death. If that's the case, at least one of those hairs from her skull should have had a deathband. I'm going off of what WesternObserver posted. I still need to look at the technical forensic report where the duct tape was examined. For that syringe to be found inside of a toilet paper roll and those inside of a Gatorade bottle which had traces of chloroform in it is enough for me. I just don't know about the duct tape info. The fact that Caylee was discarded the way she was, and the fact that a hair with deathbanding belonging to Caylee was found in Casey's trunk, well it should be enough to convict no matter what. Problem is establishing murder vs accident. In order for Casey to receive a stifff sentence, murder has to be 100% established, otherwise the evidence could be considered circumstantial & she could end up with manslaughter. She will serve time for sure...question is how much...unless she actually gets the dp. I just don't see the dp going through in this case.

Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.
5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

Thanks Turbo. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:35:28 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:48:14 AM
One more thing while I am on a roll. I think bozo got the Kronk story from Padilla. It is a bizarre story and not a word of it is true that I can determine. Padilla was on TV tonight saying he talked to Kronk's ex-wife and spent time with her at her home in Kingsport, Tennessee. That sounded good but she lives in Maryville, Tennesse which is 180 miles from Kingsport. He then said Kronk's son told him that Kronk told him at Thanksgiving he found the body, but in his deposition he said no. It sounds to me like another one of bozo's un-researched alien tales. I think he took Padilla's word without doing any research on it and now he is going to be humiliated in court when all that comes out. I think he dismissed the deposition thinking he could "pull it out of Kronk's son" when there is nothing to pull out. The story that he was dating someone in the sheriff's department that listened to KC & Bozo talking has turned out to be totally erroneous too. Bozo once again is going to left holding a bag of crap when it is all brought out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 05, 2011, 01:51:53 AM
I finally found the article I made reference to last night. IMO and MO only, I think Casey's main attorney has brained washed her for 3 years for control, fame and money. ie: here's a fat cash cow to cash, and fame. Like the film industry, the leeches are there around a potential star or star for the leeches own gain.

IMO there has been mind control, separation from family, Stockholm syndrome.
IMO and MO only, I think some of her attorneys are there sincerely to help her or they are acting that way with their own personal agendas. Some have jumped ship. Maybe they jumped ship not because of Casey but because of Baez's tactics.

My take on this article that early on she was trying to reach for help from the main leech while he was in NY. I'd like to know the names of the attorneys who are referenced in the article and if they are still with the defense.  My free speech opinion.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/03/ddhln.01.html

(my bolding the print in some areas)

Dr. Drew Pinsky show HLN Friday, June 4, 2011


PINSKY: Mike Brooks, a grieving mother whose child is missing, does she usually act like that?

BROOKS: You know, I`ve always said, what is the real Casey Anthony? Have we seen the real Casey Anthony? Will we ever really see the real Casey Anthony?

Because the lies, she keeps crying, but we know it`s all an act, Dr. Drew. It`s just amazing to me on this August 14th tape that we see with George and Cindy here and all that anger. I think it`s -- as I said, I think it`s the reality starting to set in.

But I thought it was interesting today, too, because George, you saw George during this visit as kind of detective George Anthony, too, offering out there a guy they talked to by the name of Scott (ph) who could help her And he said, and, you know, you could talk to him without having Jose Baez there. I thought that was very interesting. .

PINSKY: The guy, Scott (ph) I think is his workers` comp attorney or something, isn`t it? It`s actually some crazy -- is that who that is?

BROOKS: Actually, it`s Scott Bolen (ph), special agent, FBI. Special Agent Scott Bolen (ph). And, you know, after this visit, it was interesting, because one of the other things George said on this August 14th visit, do they give you any pen or paper? Maybe you could write a note to the sheriff, Sheriff Berry (ph).

And apparently after they left, she got some paper and she got something to write with, and she wrote Sheriff Berry (ph) a note, Dr. Drew. And the lead detective, Yuri Melich, he got that, opened it up, and it says, "Is there any way that I can have a meeting set up with my father, George Anthony? I would in every way appreciate it. I know it`s an unusual request, but it`s important nonetheless."

So later that night, George Anthony, along with Yuri Melich, Special Agent Scott Bolen (ph), and Sergeant Allen (ph) were the other investigators. They show up at the jail for a visit with Casey.

Well, Jose Baez was out of town in New York. And the substitute attorneys had met with her just prior to this. He said, you`re not meeting with her. They wanted to wait an hour and a half. Meeting called off.

But that was interesting, because it all had to do with this visit and a little bit of detective work by George Anthony.

PINSKY: Mike, what do you make of all that?

CARDOZA: See, I disagree with Mike a little bit. When he says that it`s Casey`s act, no, it`s not an act. That`s who Casey Anthony is.

PINSKY: A lying, obfuscating, dissembling person?

CARDOZA: Absolutely. Well, she is. And that`s why you have to embrace all of that and use that as part of your defense.

Not she`s not guilty, but get that degree down, because no jury is going to walk away from these tapes. No jury is not going to believe it. There she is in her own words doing this. But the experts have to point out that`s her sickness talking.

PINSKY: Right. And again, we`re trying to save her from the death penalty.

CARDOZA: Exactly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 05, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
Wow, Turbothink, the Virgoes are active tonight! 9/11


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 02:03:19 AM
All of this just let's us know that there are people out there that see things differently than we do.  However, that doesn't make them right.  I feel she will be convicted of 1st degree murder and get LWOP.  I do not think she will get a reversal.  So Geraldo and a senile sheriff do not agree.....oh well.

ITA, She will be convicted & get LWOP (slight possibility of DP) & they will fail with a reversal.  IF given the DP, she will fail on automatic appeal & beyond on anything that has been discussed thus far.

SO take that  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Judge Perry has never had a case revered on appeal. That should tell them something. She will be found guilty and whether the DP is imposed or not is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 02:03:43 AM
All of this just let's us know that there are people out there that see things differently than we do.  However, that doesn't make them right.  I feel she will be convicted of 1st degree murder and get LWOP.  I do not think she will get a reversal.  So Geraldo and a senile sheriff do not agree.....oh well.

ITA, She will be convicted & get LWOP (slight possibility of DP) & they will fail with a reversal.  IF given the DP, she will fail on automatic appeal & beyond on anything that has been discussed thus far.

SO take that  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Judge Perry has never had a case revered on appeal. That should tell them something. She will be found guilty and whether the DP is imposed or not is anyone's guess.

"reversed"..............geeshhhhhhhh


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 02:04:53 AM
Wow, Turbothink, the Virgoes are active tonight! 9/11

I am a Leo............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 05, 2011, 02:15:57 AM
OK guys, he didn't have to hear it from a girlfriend or anyone. He has worked in the area as a meter reader for a long time and probably has heard the story of the local hang out in those woods and kid's pet cemetery. I don't have experience in hiding a body, but IMO one in stress would go to a place that is familiar, especially if it is one who has not thought things through.

Between all the missing person cases we have followed here in the last years in FL  we certainly learned more about FL and its geography. I have been to FL a few times before being on Scared Monkeys and I personally can tell you if I had to hide a body, it would not be in a residential area! IMO there are better other places in FL.

In the Donna Jou case I became frustrated when the LAPD wouldn't let Tim Miller come and search for they said the area had no places to hide a body. I went out and took pictures in a mile area "where I'd hide a body". I had never thought like that before but it was not hard to find nicks and crannies in a residential area. IMO from all this... hiding a body in a residential area is dumb, just yelling to be found vs. all the swamps, forest, everglades, et al in FLA.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 05, 2011, 02:24:07 AM
Wow, Turbothink, the Virgoes are active tonight! 9/11

I am a Leo............

Oh, sorry. A few days ago we were joking here how Virgoes get so detailed. My Dad and late best friend were Leos, really neat. OK Klaas will get me for not going to the break room. Am on my second bottle ( 64 oz) of V8 so am getting polluted ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: IBE on June 05, 2011, 02:29:09 AM
Night all, am 45 pages behind so going to catch up and buy something online to pamper the stress. Good excuse to shop.

The Monkey Family does Good Works.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 02:35:34 AM
The baby doll put the hair of a dead body in the trunk??? BWAH  ::MonkeyEek:: 

Is it not scary that we live in a world with these many nitwits drinking tainted koolaid

It is no surprise to me............these are the same idiots who voted for Obama.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 03:20:46 AM
I finally found the article I made reference to last night. IMO and MO only, I think Casey's main attorney has brained washed her for 3 years for control, fame and money. ie: here's a fat cash cow to cash, and fame. Like the film industry, the leeches are there around a potential star or star for the leeches own gain.

IMO there has been mind control, separation from family, Stockholm syndrome.
IMO and MO only, I think some of her attorneys are there sincerely to help her or they are acting that way with their own personal agendas. Some have jumped ship. Maybe they jumped ship not because of Casey but because of Baez's tactics.

My take on this article that early on she was trying to reach for help from the main leech while he was in NY. I'd like to know the names of the attorneys who are referenced in the article and if they are still with the defense.  My free speech opinion.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/03/ddhln.01.html

(my bolding the print in some areas)

Dr. Drew Pinsky show HLN Friday, June 4, 2011


PINSKY: Mike Brooks, a grieving mother whose child is missing, does she usually act like that?

BROOKS: You know, I`ve always said, what is the real Casey Anthony? Have we seen the real Casey Anthony? Will we ever really see the real Casey Anthony?

Because the lies, she keeps crying, but we know it`s all an act, Dr. Drew. It`s just amazing to me on this August 14th tape that we see with George and Cindy here and all that anger. I think it`s -- as I said, I think it`s the reality starting to set in.

But I thought it was interesting today, too, because George, you saw George during this visit as kind of detective George Anthony, too, offering out there a guy they talked to by the name of Scott (ph) who could help her And he said, and, you know, you could talk to him without having Jose Baez there. I thought that was very interesting. .

PINSKY: The guy, Scott (ph) I think is his workers` comp attorney or something, isn`t it? It`s actually some crazy -- is that who that is?

BROOKS: Actually, it`s Scott Bolen (ph), special agent, FBI. Special Agent Scott Bolen (ph). And, you know, after this visit, it was interesting, because one of the other things George said on this August 14th visit, do they give you any pen or paper? Maybe you could write a note to the sheriff, Sheriff Berry (ph).

And apparently after they left, she got some paper and she got something to write with, and she wrote Sheriff Berry (ph) a note, Dr. Drew. And the lead detective, Yuri Melich, he got that, opened it up, and it says, "Is there any way that I can have a meeting set up with my father, George Anthony? I would in every way appreciate it. I know it`s an unusual request, but it`s important nonetheless."

So later that night, George Anthony, along with Yuri Melich, Special Agent Scott Bolen (ph), and Sergeant Allen (ph) were the other investigators. They show up at the jail for a visit with Casey.

Well, Jose Baez was out of town in New York. And the substitute attorneys had met with her just prior to this. He said, you`re not meeting with her. They wanted to wait an hour and a half. Meeting called off.

But that was interesting, because it all had to do with this visit and a little bit of detective work by George Anthony.

PINSKY: Mike, what do you make of all that?

CARDOZA: See, I disagree with Mike a little bit. When he says that it`s Casey`s act, no, it`s not an act. That`s who Casey Anthony is.

PINSKY: A lying, obfuscating, dissembling person?

CARDOZA: Absolutely. Well, she is. And that`s why you have to embrace all of that and use that as part of your defense.

Not she`s not guilty, but get that degree down, because no jury is going to walk away from these tapes. No jury is not going to believe it. There she is in her own words doing this. But the experts have to point out that`s her sickness talking.

PINSKY: Right. And again, we`re trying to save her from the death penalty.

CARDOZA: Exactly.

"But that was interesting, because it all had to do with this visit and a little bit of detective work by George Anthony."

what do they mean by "detective work by George Anthony"?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:38:27 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.

I thought I heard the witness say that they were only speaking about the hair found in the car and not the hair found with the body, AND the hair found with her scalp, it appears to me they have no death band because the tape was placed before she died and threfore any pulled out on the duct tape would not have a deathband, but did they even test that hair for deathbands? 

We still have not heard about the chloroform, the duct tape, and what the stains showed, if anything.  Still alot to go through. 

I believe this to be 100% murder (even if it happened because she as putting Caylee to sleep so she can party), because it is illegal to sedate your child so you can leave her alone so you can go party.  I am not sure where the duct tape comes in though.  That to me, speaks premeditated, no ifs, ands, or buts. 

You know what would help, if the wench would tell what happened to Caylee, but she won't cause she is a wench and she thought nothing of her daughter's life, and is all fine and dandy with Caylee's memory being snuffed out by lies that she tells.  No dignity for her dead daughter.  She cares not. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:39:36 AM
Wow, Turbothink, the Virgoes are active tonight! 9/11

I am a Leo............

Haha, me too, and a really stubbone one at that. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:46:08 AM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

Pretty much.

He is a person who likes to get involved in missing child cases.  He has a van where he drives around, while on a web cam, to sites of interest, looks around, etc.  When we had not found Caylee yet, he was at the park diving site where Padilla swore Caylee was in that water. 

When Trenton Duckett was mising, he wrote a letter to the kidnapper telling him to just drop off Trenton at any hospital or whatever.

A basket case, pretty much.  He inserts himself whereever.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:47:25 AM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?
Murt bought an old TV van and streamed alot of the search for Caylee on his Murtcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Murt witness one live cam?!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Too funny! 

Good night to all the monkeys still hangin' in the cage!  Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

He also called his van the MurtMobile and he swore he had trademarks on that and his name Murt.  He posts on Topix, anywhere else he can get his stupidity in. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:48:36 AM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?
Murt bought an old TV van and streamed alot of the search for Caylee on his Murtcam  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Murt witness one live cam?!!!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Too funny! 

Good night to all the monkeys still hangin' in the cage!  Justice for Caylee.   ::MonkeyAngel::

One more thing on Murt.  When Trenton Duckett was missing, Murt had a car lot where he sold used cars.  He would run anybody's license plate tags who passed his car lot to see who they were.  I believe that is illegal, but because he has those capabilities, owning a car lot, he did it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 03:48:54 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.

I thought I heard the witness say that they were only speaking about the hair found in the car and not the hair found with the body, AND the hair found with her scalp, it appears to me they have no death band because the tape was placed before she died and threfore any pulled out on the duct tape would not have a deathband, but did they even test that hair for deathbands? 

We still have not heard about the chloroform, the duct tape, and what the stains showed, if anything.  Still alot to go through. 

I believe this to be 100% murder (even if it happened because she as putting Caylee to sleep so she can party), because it is illegal to sedate your child so you can leave her alone so you can go party.  I am not sure where the duct tape comes in though.  That to me, speaks premeditated, no ifs, ands, or buts. 

You know what would help, if the wench would tell what happened to Caylee, but she won't cause she is a wench and she thought nothing of her daughter's life, and is all fine and dandy with Caylee's memory being snuffed out by lies that she tells.  No dignity for her dead daughter.  She cares not. 

I think it was too.  I know some people think the "flurry" of calls she made to Cindy George Lee etc. means it was an accident but it could be that she was going to fake the kidnapping right then & there.  I don't think she ever regretted doing it but I think if she was flustered & in a panic it was because she didn't know what to do next!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 03:54:59 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.

I thought I heard the witness say that they were only speaking about the hair found in the car and not the hair found with the body, AND the hair found with her scalp, it appears to me they have no death band because the tape was placed before she died and threfore any pulled out on the duct tape would not have a deathband, but did they even test that hair for deathbands? 

We still have not heard about the chloroform, the duct tape, and what the stains showed, if anything.  Still alot to go through. 

I believe this to be 100% murder (even if it happened because she as putting Caylee to sleep so she can party), because it is illegal to sedate your child so you can leave her alone so you can go party.  I am not sure where the duct tape comes in though.  That to me, speaks premeditated, no ifs, ands, or buts. 

You know what would help, if the wench would tell what happened to Caylee, but she won't cause she is a wench and she thought nothing of her daughter's life, and is all fine and dandy with Caylee's memory being snuffed out by lies that she tells.  No dignity for her dead daughter.  She cares not. 

you know I said this the other night & it happened again tonight.  My baby girl who is two drinks a bottle & I rock her to sleep at night.  She just stares into my eyes & I have to fight back tears of just overwhelming love for this little creature so I don't scare her.  My heart breaks for Caylee.  I pray that she was already "asleep" when Casey put the duct tape on her.  Can you imagine that little girl seeing the one person in the world that is supposed to love you unconditionally & protect you with their life with hatred in their eyes and I'm sure she was scared.  I wonder if the monster was saying anything to her.  That precious little girl - breaks my heart!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 03:58:06 AM

Janet, not every hair gets a death band. So, it could make sense. However, we haven't gotten to the duct tape hair yet. Only what was in the car.

Thanks stayhomemommy

Fortunately the one and only hair found by investigators in the trunk of Casey's vehicle following Cindy's clean spree revealed a death band.

Murphy's law would indicate that some of the strands of hair attached to the duct tape  should reveal a death band.

IMO

Janet

One would think so, unless the duct tape ripped them out before that could happen. I admit that I haven't read about the duct tape hairs yet. So, I honestly don't know.

I don't know if these are Caylee's hairs ,they were from evidence that was released.
But why would they check for a death band when they found a dead Caylee that doesn't make sense to me . Checking in the trunk for a hair with a death band means she was in the trunk.

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/21610jjg.jpg)

I also do not think they were looking for deathbands in the trunk.  They were processing the hair to see whose it was that was found in the trunk and in the process of viewing and checking characteristics to see whose hair it was, they saw a deathband.  IMO anyway.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 04:02:39 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

First, how could it be Lee's?  Lee is alive, last I knew.  Lee does not have 9 inch long hair.   Lee's has gray/white hair, this was a brown hair.  And, I believe it was a female hair, no? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: sdmike1974 on June 05, 2011, 04:32:34 AM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation






Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 05, 2011, 05:40:25 AM
Great comments here................

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/28131185/detail.html#COMMENTTOP


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 06:08:17 AM
Okay, I don't get it.  Wouldn't that hair that was still attached to Caylee's skull ... and the duct tape ... when the skull was found ... have a death band?  Someone explain please?  I missed everything after 10 EST. 
Scientifically I do not see how this is possible. If she died as a result of the duct tape, I get it. If the hair attached to the tape had no banding, what did KC do, pull it out while she was alive. I personally would like to see a link that said the hair on the duct tape had no banding. All that proves is that not all hair develops it, or its not true.
Once Caylee died, the hair stuck to the duct tape should show the banding.. anyone?

Maybe they didn't check for the death band on a dead Caylee body. why would they, they already knew she was dead.

Omgosh Blonde I fell asleep with my phone again. I agree, why look for a death band but don't forget the forensic team & lab workers would have had to test the hair for poisons, chemicals & such. So since the duct tape hair would already be under slides for microscopes besides the nuclear testing, then a death band would be easily visible. I understand not all hairs from a dead person may have a death band but it's far fetched that not a single hair on the duct tape would show death banding...especially since that was still attached tight enough to hold her mandible in place & the Prosecution said it was attached before her death. This is why I questioned WesternObserver bc I'd like to make sure the lab pros actually tested all of that hair & found nothing. The only thing that would make sense to me is that the specimin was just too degraded from the environment it was left in. They would have compared the appearance of the duct tape hairs with Caylee's known hairs from her brush or whatever to also help establish identity. Dr. G had to do everything she could bc no tissue was found, Caylee's remains were completely skeletonized.

I'm so frustrated bc it's absolutely obvious Casey dis something to Caylee but all these anti dp experts keep popping out of the woodwork & freely speaking on tv, trying to assist with reasonable doubt. I'm with Cappy on this & think there should be a law against this & the experts should be forced to stick to the facts without throwing their opinions around. It doesn't level the playing field like they want tge public to believe, instead it helps people get away with murder. It should be illegal.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

The more 'crap' I see with these idiots like Baden and Rivera...I know we have an amendment 'Freedom of Speech' but there should be a LAW against this kind of inaccurate reporting.  Seriously, it's just not right.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Shan, I have a real problem with these legal commentators & pundits that purposefully are disingenuous with what they say which is misleading to the public, especially those that are not familiar with the law in any great depth.

I just can't stand it.  Those of us familiar with this case understand the fact that they are totally FOS but a lot of others do not know much about it and can be swayed by their DELIBERATE act to sway in their favor.  I just don't think it should be allowed.  Period.  It's appalling. I am so frustrated with Bozo and that DT that I couldn't even watch today.  I pray that the jury will see through him and do what's right.  The media reports with these 'expert' panels are making me wanna  ::pullinghairout:: I just feel that all these so called 'experts' should have to stick with the FACTS.  A baby was murdered and their thoughts are on 5 minutes of fame.  I guess it goes hand in hand with the world we live in.  Sad.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Omgosh I completely agree. A child is dead, a sweet innocent child.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 06:28:13 AM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

Klass tell the folks about Murt and what he is about


lmao murt's a joke


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 06:58:45 AM
This science is not over the Jury's head...   all they need to remember:-
A hair with a death band was found in her mother's trunk - a DEAD Caylee was in there.

Hair removed from the duct tape had NO death band- it came out of Caylee's head while she was alive.   That is all the evidence the State needs- duct tape was applied to a LIVING CHILD.
Agreed and it making me physically ill just to read it.

I agree kind of but the witness said it can take two days for the hair to start to show the postmortem banding.

But to show a death band the hair has to come out of a dead body.
Hair that comes from a live body will never develop a death band!
Hair that came from the duct tape had no band= came from a live Caylee..

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 

If she was alive when the duct tape was wrapped around her head, the hair would not have death bands because she died afterward. What was attached to the tape would be free of death bands because she died later than applied.

? This is true when pertaining to the theory that the duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth & possibly ripped off or hairs pulled out but still attached to duct tape while she was still alive. It wouldn't apply if the duct tape was attached tight enough to hold the mandible in place again bc some of her hair would have still been in her head. Postmortem root banding is self explanatory. The banding occurs near or through the root. The duct tape couldn't be on all of the hair roots bc the roots are in the scalp. If the forensics show no banding on the hairs still attached, I'm thinking it's bc the specimin was too degraded from the elements & insectae.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 07:01:39 AM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation






Sorry to say, she was NOT under arrest, she was supposed to be helping find her missing child.  I don't care how all these experts want to spin the truth, it was not necessary to mirandize her to get information to find her missing child.  They can cry her rights were violated until teh cows come home, but it does not make it true.

Who the heck claims they have a missing child and while giving information to find that missing child thinks she is under arrest? 

No appelate issues here, I am afraid, just LWOP for the 1st degree murder of her child.  Not a lawyer, but I use common sense.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 07:04:14 AM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation






And, IMO, appelate lawyers are just like ambulance chasers. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 07:04:54 AM
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/256799/Day-10:-Hair-and-air-take-center-stage-in-Case-Against-Casey
Tomorrow brings Day 11 of the Casey Anthony trial
By Adam Longo and Amanda Evans, Team Coverage
Last Updated: Sunday, June 05, 2011 6:52 AM

ORLANDO --

Testimony is scheduled to resume tomorrow in Orlando in the first degree murder trial of Casey Anthony.

Prosecution experts are expected to take the stand to present more scientific evidence.

Saturday, Day 10 of the trial, was a “hairy” day for the defense.

FBI forensic scientist Karen Lowe took to the stand Saturday and testified about the microscopic details of hair.

The defense was ready to challenge this science along with the air samples, which were both presented by the prosecution Saturday.
 ::snipping2::
Wrap up of day 10 of Casey Anthony trial Watch Video http://www.cfnews13.com/video?clip=http://static.cfnews13.com/newsvideo/cfn/Casey-wrap-0604.flv&vtitle=Wrap%20up%20of%20day%2010%20of%20Casey%20Anthony%20trial


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:09:40 AM

Right, but according to WesternObserver there were no hairs with death bands found  on the hairs stuck to the duct tape, that's what was specifically posted & it just doesn't make sense to me bc it's completely opposite of any lab study I ever did in college. I understand that not all hairs will show a deathband from a deceased person but it's highly unlikely for not a single hair attached to that duct tape found wrapped on Caylee's skull to have death banding. Especially considering the State is going with the theory that the duct tape was placed prior to her death and contributed to her death. If that's the case, at least one of those hairs from her skull should have had a deathband. I'm going off of what WesternObserver posted. I still need to look at the technical forensic report where the duct tape was examined. For that syringe to be found inside of a toilet paper roll and those inside of a Gatorade bottle which had traces of chloroform in it is enough for me. I just don't know about the duct tape info. The fact that Caylee was discarded the way she was, and the fact that a hair with deathbanding belonging to Caylee was found in Casey's trunk, well it should be enough to convict no matter what. Problem is establishing murder vs accident. In order for Casey to receive a stifff sentence, murder has to be 100% established, otherwise the evidence could be considered circumstantial & she could end up with manslaughter. She will serve time for sure...question is how much...unless she actually gets the dp. I just don't see the dp going through in this case.

Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.
5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

I agree with you as far as murder is concerned but with the dp involved I do think the State has to show proof beyond reasonable doubt. Remember we've all followed since the beginning, so we know what Casey's all about, but some of those jurors aren't privy to all we've seen...yet. I'd think it should be enough that a hair with postmortem root banding was found in Casey's trunk, enough to be found guilty but to get the dp I just don't know. I'm thinking lwop, not sure...

With regards to the hairbanding, I know about what can be found and over time it's harder to identify depending on time & environment.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 07:15:08 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/04/casey-anthony-case-review-of-trial-week-2/
Casey Anthony case: Review of trial week 2
Posted on June 4, 2011 by Valhall



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/callous_casey_bizarre_coverup_B1nlShqOSY5zhs38LdARRJ
Caylee mom's bizarre 'murder' coverup
By GINGER ADAMS OTIS
Last Updated: 5:46 AM, June 5, 2011
Posted: 2:15 AM, June 5, 2011





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.

I agree, but all of our responses are due to WesternObserver's post informing no hair banding was found on hairs still attached to duct tape so it was surmised therefore Caylee had to be alive when applied. I'd like to see forensic proof of that, not opinion, bc that tape was tight enough to hold her mandible in place, therefore some hairs still in her scalp would have had root banding postmortem. If there were no hairs found with banding it has to be bc the specimin was compromised & degraded due to the elements.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:19:12 AM
One more thing while I am on a roll. I think bozo got the Kronk story from Padilla. It is a bizarre story and not a word of it is true that I can determine. Padilla was on TV tonight saying he talked to Kronk's ex-wife and spent time with her at her home in Kingsport, Tennessee. That sounded good but she lives in Maryville, Tennesse which is 180 miles from Kingsport. He then said Kronk's son told him that Kronk told him at Thanksgiving he found the body, but in his deposition he said no. It sounds to me like another one of bozo's un-researched alien tales. I think he took Padilla's word without doing any research on it and now he is going to be humiliated in court when all that comes out. I think he dismissed the deposition thinking he could "pull it out of Kronk's son" when there is nothing to pull out. The story that he was dating someone in the sheriff's department that listened to KC & Bozo talking has turned out to be totally erroneous too. Bozo once again is going to left holding a bag of crap when it is all brought out.

They're all a bunch of idiots if you ask me...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:24:59 AM
Wow, Turbothink, the Virgoes are active tonight! 9/11

I am a Leo............

So am I, Turbo! Maybe that's why we "need" answers all the time lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:28:20 AM
I guess what had me stuck was someone, I dont remember who, posted that Caylee was alive when the duct tape was put on because there was no banding on the skull hair. It has been a long week, for the trial and personally   ::MonkeyCool::

Do we know for sure that they tested  the hair on the dead Caylee ::MonkeyNoNo::for a death band?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:32:18 AM
eaelier someone mentioned casey being on the laptop. I now am convinced that casey could have been on scaredmonkeys.
since pillbury boy was showing her the website earlier.

 Hi Loca

Klaas put SM on his screen as a joke  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::
But I do believe they read here and have been.

pb
I am so gullible... lmao lol.. omg klaas got me on that one... this is just too funny... I actualy fell for it!! gullible me. I need a drink now ::monkeywine2:: ::piggy::
We all did Klaas is a bad girl ,I'm sure it's all over the Internet by now ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:33:33 AM
OK guys, he didn't have to hear it from a girlfriend or anyone. He has worked in the area as a meter reader for a long time and probably has heard the story of the local hang out in those woods and kid's pet cemetery. I don't have experience in hiding a body, but IMO one in stress would go to a place that is familiar, especially if it is one who has not thought things through.

Between all the missing person cases we have followed here in the last years in FL  we certainly learned more about FL and its geography. I have been to FL a few times before being on Scared Monkeys and I personally can tell you if I had to hide a body, it would not be in a residential area! IMO there are better other places in FL.

In the Donna Jou case I became frustrated when the LAPD wouldn't let Tim Miller come and search for they said the area had no places to hide a body. I went out and took pictures in a mile area "where I'd hide a body". I had never thought like that before but it was not hard to find nicks and crannies in a residential area. IMO from all this... hiding a body in a residential area is dumb, just yelling to be found vs. all the swamps, forest, everglades, et al in FLA.

I think Casey threw her away like garbage in a place she was familiar with, knowing that area gets flooded during hurricane season. Alot of those trees have exposed roots at the beginning of the rainy season. For all we know, Casey could gave dug a little ways under some roots, shoved the bag with Caylee's remains in there, then threw mud/dirt back over it. Little dis she know the water would recede & pull some mud away anyway. Thank gosh for Mother Nature bc those insects, snakes & wild animals helped to expose Caylee's whereabouts as far as I'm concerned. Karma's a bitch & it's getting ready to slap Casey in the face.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:34:13 AM
Will the jury get a copy of the opening and closing statements??
 ::MonkeyBike::



since I hsd never followed a trial before! I did not know who went first in closing arguments! I am so happy that the prosecution does! because they always end with such a bang!!
 ::boxingcasey:: this reminds me of the bailiff trying to get casey back to her cell at the end of the day. she just annoying ly hangs around.. and lately she sits back down so they cant make her go! she wont look at them or make eye contact with them!! until they come to make her go!!
Isnt that too much!? I guess the inamte is tired of bologna sandwiches and confinement.. too bad so sad
She plops her butt in that seat at lightning speed  ::MonkeyTongue::
bet kc misses her moms homeade chili!  now she has to eat jail food for the rest of her life.

She didn't care about her Mon's chili when she was out dancing I mean looking for Caylee


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:35:50 AM
What is the deal about geraldo keep on saying that casey will be free cause she was not read her rights?? I don't understand that and it scares me. Didn't she say her self somewhere that she was read her rights. If so can I get a link. And if she did say it. Was it at the right time? Idk how to ask. I guess she was  arrested 2 times right?? Is he saying the last time she was arrested she wasn't read her rights??

He's a A$$ he;s also Bozo best friend


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:37:47 AM
And by the way...........the case stupid bozo was quoting in court was about identifying a person by the hair samples - NOTHING about banding and it was totally irrelevant to the case as the mitochondrial DNA was identified as either Cindy, KC or Caylee and the only one dead is Caylee.

I thought I heard the witness say that they were only speaking about the hair found in the car and not the hair found with the body, AND the hair found with her scalp, it appears to me they have no death band because the tape was placed before she died and threfore any pulled out on the duct tape would not have a deathband, but did they even test that hair for deathbands? 

We still have not heard about the chloroform, the duct tape, and what the stains showed, if anything.  Still alot to go through. 

I believe this to be 100% murder (even if it happened because she as putting Caylee to sleep so she can party), because it is illegal to sedate your child so you can leave her alone so you can go party.  I am not sure where the duct tape comes in though.  That to me, speaks premeditated, no ifs, ands, or buts. 

You know what would help, if the wench would tell what happened to Caylee, but she won't cause she is a wench and she thought nothing of her daughter's life, and is all fine and dandy with Caylee's memory being snuffed out by lies that she tells.  No dignity for her dead daughter.  She cares not. 

Completely agree.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:40:33 AM
What is the deal about geraldo keep on saying that casey will be free cause she was not read her rights?? I don't understand that and it scares me. Didn't she say her self somewhere that she was read her rights. If so can I get a link. And if she did say it. Was it at the right time? Idk how to ask. I guess she was  arrested 2 times right?? Is he saying the last time she was arrested she wasn't read her rights??

From day 8th transcript Casey says everything from LE is all BS. When Melich read me my rights, he said there is going to be no bond, period. Lee says, yes Melich told them that for sure


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:41:35 AM
anyone else here recall seeing and hearing kc tell lee in one of those Jail visists that she was mirandized??? anyone.. ::piggy::
YES Casey says everything from LE is all BS. When Melich read me my rights, he said there is going to be no bond, period. Lee says, yes Melich told them that for sure


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:48:42 AM
She wasnt Mirandized until she was arrested. Isnt that SOP? he is an azz.
I am watching Cindy testify again on HLN. She said KC got her periods at 10.. Thats a tad early.
Then Bobo asks when KC had her first sexual partner.objection.. sustained.
I think he actually enjoys asking deeply personal questions while pretending to be an attorney

YES

She answered questions at her own free will ,at first they thought she was a mother in distress


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:54:58 AM
I guess what had me stuck was someone, I dont remember who, posted that Caylee was alive when the duct tape was put on because there was no banding on the skull hair. It has been a long week, for the trial and personally   ::MonkeyCool::

Do we know for sure that they tested  the hair on the dead Caylee ::MonkeyNoNo::for a death band?

Idk. I was going off of WesternObserver's post informing no death banding was present on the hairs attached to the duct tape therefore it was surmised the tape had to be placed prior to death. I don't remember reading the forensic analysis for the duct tape & hair portion. I think common sense tells us the duct tape looks bad for Casey, & could seal the deal (pun intended).


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 07:58:39 AM
What is the deal about geraldo keep on saying that casey will be free cause she was not read her rights?? I don't understand that and it scares me. Didn't she say her self somewhere that she was read her rights. If so can I get a link. And if she did say it. Was it at the right time? Idk how to ask. I guess she was  arrested 2 times right?? Is he saying the last time she was arrested she wasn't read her rights??

From day 8th transcript Casey says everything from LE is all BS. When Melich read me my rights, he said there is going to be no bond, period. Lee says, yes Melich told them that for sure

Her words are gonna come back & bite her in the azz.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jesse on June 05, 2011, 08:02:40 AM
What is the deal about geraldo keep on saying that casey will be free cause she was not read her rights?? I don't understand that and it scares me. Didn't she say her self somewhere that she was read her rights. If so can I get a link. And if she did say it. Was it at the right time? Idk how to ask. I guess she was  arrested 2 times right?? Is he saying the last time she was arrested she wasn't read her rights??

He's a A$$ he;s also Bozo best friend
they keep trying to say she was under arrest because she was in the back of a ploice car but she coud have at any time gotten out and plus they asked Yuri if they just dropped her off at home afterwards and he said yes so even if she was a person of interest you dont read someone their miranda rights at that point they are reaching as their George theory is falling apart after the videos show something different


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:03:14 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jesse on June 05, 2011, 08:04:44 AM
at the point she was arrested and read her mirandas it was for lying to the police and child endangerment so they still thought the child was missing not that the monster had killed her, Geraldo is trying to sway public opinion although its too late jurors are picked and away from his bs


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sharon/Tx on June 05, 2011, 08:07:09 AM
Let's say Caylee did drown in the pool.  If she wasn't found for some time, would Caylee's mouth be open with the look of fear (rig.) on her face? Could the mouth be closed manually or would it be frozen open after she died?  Would this be why Casey tried to tape the mouth shut before disposal and put a heart sticker on it?  My mind is racing thinking that Casey chloroformed Caylee and thought she was asleep but she really slipped away into the pool.  You sure can't say accidental drowing when a baby has been dead in a pool for a long time and the mother is right there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:08:07 AM
Dr. Michael Baden appears to say “…they found chloroform in the baby’s hair” when asked about testing Caylee Anthony’s hair for the presence of chemical substances.

This is relevant because Dr. Baden’s wife, Linda Kenney-Baden is part of Casey Anthony’s defense team, and is privy to such information.

During the investigation, Anthony’s car was searched and traces of chloroform, a stain, and some of Caylee’s decaying hairs were found in the trunk.
See Dr. Baden’s statement below:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZI4-Dkd8q2oJ:www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-dr-baden-confirms-chloroform-found-caylee-anthony-s-hair+Dr+Michael+Baden+on+death+band+hair&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 08:08:37 AM
She wasnt Mirandized until she was arrested. Isnt that SOP? he is an azz.
I am watching Cindy testify again on HLN. She said KC got her periods at 10.. Thats a tad early.
Then Bobo asks when KC had her first sexual partner.objection.. sustained.
I think he actually enjoys asking deeply personal questions while pretending to be an attorney

YES

She answered questions at her own free will ,at first they thought she was a mother in distress
Yuri told her a number of times on tape that she was free to leave and stop answering at any time. You can't hold Yuri responsible for Casey being a MOE-RON!

George said it best, he said "I am num" .... so I think that would make caseyOmarie: DUM. ::MonkeyDevil:: I'm sorry - these people keep me in stitches. I can't stop laughing.

Those silent B's can be a mother! I know. ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 08:13:41 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/casey-anthony-key-evidence-introduced-13764950
Casey Anthony: Key Evidence Introduced
A strand of hair may help prove who killed Caylee Anthony.
06/05/2011



http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13761783
Forensic Expert Testifies in Anthony Murder Trial
ORLANDO, Fla. June 4, 2011 (AP)

An FBI forensic expert testified Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial that a hair removed from the woman's car showed signs consistent with hair from a dead body.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.

The single, 9-inch strand of light brown hair was the only hair of several collected by investigators to show signs of decomposition, Karen Korsberg Lowe told jurors.

Lowe, who specializes in microscopic hair examinations, described a dark banding seen on hairs from people known to be dead. She said the hair sample she examined showed this banding.

"It has a darkened band at the root portion of the hair. This is consistent with apparent decomposition," Lowe said.

The hair was similar to one pulled from Caylee's hair brush and was not similar to a hair sample from Anthony, she said.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:17:57 AM
OK, I give. Who is Murt? A dog?

Klass tell the folks about Murt and what he is about


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/18005074.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 08:18:48 AM
Dr. Michael Baden appears to say “…they found chloroform in the baby’s hair” when asked about testing Caylee Anthony’s hair for the presence of chemical substances.

This is relevant because Dr. Baden’s wife, Linda Kenney-Baden is part of Casey Anthony’s defense team, and is privy to such information.

During the investigation, Anthony’s car was searched and traces of chloroform, a stain, and some of Caylee’s decaying hairs were found in the trunk.
See Dr. Baden’s statement below:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZI4-Dkd8q2oJ:www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-dr-baden-confirms-chloroform-found-caylee-anthony-s-hair+Dr+Michael+Baden+on+death+band+hair&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

I remember when he said that! Also, something to think about, Caylee was in a laundry tote, then double bagged...right? Or was it one bag? Either way, it was a trash bag that was used & Caylee was discarded in an area where people throw trash or rubbish. Plus the death band hair was found in Casey's trunk, which was also filled with her trash. What does that imply?IMO maybe she didn't love Caylee as much as people think she did bc that baby was in a trunk of trash, thrown in woods like trash, therefore IMO Casey viewed & treated her as trash.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 08:21:42 AM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned

Remember when he had his talk show and got hit in the nose with a chair?  I WANNA do that to him...and many others looking for their 5 min of fame.   ::MonkeyEek::


Funny he Geraldo hasnt brought on Murt and called him an expert on the case   ::MonkeyHaHa::

For those of you who know who Murt is

LOL...that will be next weekend Dana....I gave up listening to these morons and let the migrane and the meds take over...
don't know what was going on, but my television was on and all night long when I woke up I kept hearing Casey's jailhouse vids...did that really happen, or did I dream that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 08:27:26 AM
Geraldo has an agenda re Bobo. He wants to be his mentor and help him get ahead.. Good luck with that. One should always do their homework first.... I think he sees alot of himself as a hispanic lawyer trying to make a name for himself. Good luck with that also

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Well he has been successfull in doing that..although I do NOT think he would agree with the names, asshat is the best I can post without being banned

Remember when he had his talk show and got hit in the nose with a chair?  I WANNA do that to him...and many others looking for their 5 min of fame.   ::MonkeyEek::


Funny he Geraldo hasnt brought on Murt and called him an expert on the case   ::MonkeyHaHa::

For those of you who know who Murt is

LOL...that will be next weekend Dana....I gave up listening to these morons and let the migrane and the meds take over...
don't know what was going on, but my television was on and all night long when I woke up I kept hearing Casey's jailhouse vids...did that really happen, or did I dream that?

Lololol! I can't even stand watching Geraldo anymore.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 08:57:13 AM
Dr. Michael Baden appears to say “…they found chloroform in the baby’s hair” when asked about testing Caylee Anthony’s hair for the presence of chemical substances.

This is relevant because Dr. Baden’s wife, Linda Kenney-Baden is part of Casey Anthony’s defense team, and is privy to such information.

During the investigation, Anthony’s car was searched and traces of chloroform, a stain, and some of Caylee’s decaying hairs were found in the trunk.
See Dr. Baden’s statement below:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZI4-Dkd8q2oJ:www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-dr-baden-confirms-chloroform-found-caylee-anthony-s-hair+Dr+Michael+Baden+on+death+band+hair&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17315205/detail.html

DNA Test Results Of Hair, Stain Found In Car Indicate Caylee Anthony Is Dead
Posted: 4:21 pm EDT August 27, 2008
Updated: 10:07 am EDT August 28, 2008

Eyewitness news spoke to a forensic expert to find out how investigators are able to use DNA to determine that a dead body was in Casey's trunk.

"Just putting the hair under the microscope one can tell the difference between a normal hair root and one that's been infected with bacteria after death." stated forensic expert Michael Baden.

Baden is a forensic pathologist who worked extensively on the OJ Simpson case. He also said the inside linings of the mouth and nose release fluid when they begin to decompose and that fluid can also be identified by DNA.

Casey Anthony's brother Lee said nothing when he left his parents home early Thursday morning. Attorney Jose Baez met with the family for several hours alone.

"Not going to talk about evidence," said Baez.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 09:01:05 AM
Let's say Caylee did drown in the pool.  If she wasn't found for some time, would Caylee's mouth be open with the look of fear (rig.) on her face? Could the mouth be closed manually or would it be frozen open after she died?  Would this be why Casey tried to tape the mouth shut before disposal and put a heart sticker on it?  My mind is racing thinking that Casey chloroformed Caylee and thought she was asleep but she really slipped away into the pool.  You sure can't say accidental drowing when a baby has been dead in a pool for a long time and the mother is right there.

Moment of Death: no link this as been saved in my notes
 1} The heart stops
 2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
 3} All the muscles relax
 4} The bladder and bowels empty: So this would have been been in the pool IMO

After 4 hours:
 11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
 12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
 13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
 After 12 hours:
 14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
 After 24 hours:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 09:02:53 AM
Dr. Michael Baden appears to say “…they found chloroform in the baby’s hair” when asked about testing Caylee Anthony’s hair for the presence of chemical substances.

This is relevant because Dr. Baden’s wife, Linda Kenney-Baden is part of Casey Anthony’s defense team, and is privy to such information.

During the investigation, Anthony’s car was searched and traces of chloroform, a stain, and some of Caylee’s decaying hairs were found in the trunk.
See Dr. Baden’s statement below:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZI4-Dkd8q2oJ:www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/video-dr-baden-confirms-chloroform-found-caylee-anthony-s-hair+Dr+Michael+Baden+on+death+band+hair&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

I remember when Dr. Baden said that & I was so excited bc I thought surely Casey's goose is cooked. Then he was questioned almost immediately and I think it came out that he was talking about chloroform being detected in tge trunk where the death band hair was found. I believe he mis-spoke or spoke too soon.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 09:06:26 AM
I wonder if testing the hair clumps found with Caylee's remains is a mute point?  They were inside a bag of her decomp fluids and swamp water for months.  How much did that impact the hair?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 09:12:44 AM
Geraldo 3/14/09 Dr. Baden/Chloroform Caylee's Hair?
Lission to Dr Baden talking about Caylee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
I wonder if testing the hair clumps found with Caylee's remains is a mute point?  They were inside a bag of her decomp fluids and swamp water for months.  How much did that impact the hair?

I think the storm water, insects, snakes & other wildlife imacted everything. I don't think there will be a problem getting a conviction but the State is going for the dp with the thought that the tape was applied to a living Caylee. WesternObserver mentioned that no death bands were present on the hairs on the tape therefore Caylee would have had to be alive when applied... However, it was attached tight enough to hold her mandible in place, so I'm thinking the hair was so degraded from beetles eating it that they didn't find the roots. Afterall, some of the roots would have had to stay in her scalp, at least until the larvae devoured everything. It's just hard to prove the tape was applied first but there's so much more evidence that it shouldn't even matter. When any normal person listens to Casey's interviews & tapes, looks at her party pics, reads her texts & emails, considers how Caylee was discarded & keeps in mind the death band hair found in her trunk, omg plus the stain, syringe with trace chloroform, high level or chloroform...yep, I think it's enough to convict. Question is how many years. I think lwop. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
Geraldo 3/14/09 Dr. Baden/Chloroform Caylee's Hair?
Lission to Dr Baden talking about Caylee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk


Thanks Blonde!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 09:22:13 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/callous_casey_bizarre_coverup_B1nlShqOSY5zhs38LdARRJ
Caylee mom's bizarre 'murder' coverup



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 09:41:35 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 09:48:10 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
I also found this that says the clump of head hair was NOT tested for chloroform, but the ME did toxicology tests that did test for chloroform. 

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8494/nottestedchloro1.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/nottestedchloro1.jpg/)

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(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2754/nottestedchloro2.jpg) (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/nottestedchloro2.jpg/)

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http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Page with 5597 at bottom.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.



So, couldn't the pros. have hairs showing death bands found on Caylee's body that match the death band hair found in the trunk? That would be perfect!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:03:29 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?

I am sorry.  I forgot to provide a link and page number before.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740657/detail.html

Page with 3796 on bottom of it.  Mods can you please fix original post?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

Yayyyyy! I love you Zoomom! Thank you sooo much! I knew it had to be tested! I knew there had to be some kind of degradation but at least one had to show decomp! I'm so excited!

Ok, so now after seeing this, maybe "some" of the hairs on the tape didn't show a death band so that's how the State can say it was applied to a living Caylee?

You made my day! I was gonna go searching the forensic docs today lol! Thank you! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:05:34 AM
According to the last page of this report, the poor snake died of blunt force trauma.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:05:55 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

I don't remember anything else being shown on hair from a decomposing body.  Only deathbands and not all of the time.



So, couldn't the pros. have hairs showing death bands found on Caylee's body that match the death band hair found in the trunk? That would be perfect!!

YES! Maybe DNA wouldn't be present in the duct tape hair but everything else would be looked at such as texture, thickness, color, etc. Omgosh yes!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:10:23 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
I also found this that says the clump of head hair was NOT tested for chloroform, but the ME did toxicology tests that did test for chloroform. 

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8494/nottestedchloro1.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/nottestedchloro1.jpg/)

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http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19342108/detail.html

Page with 5597 at bottom.

I don't know what happened to the second picture, but here it is again, hopefully showing the whold part I cut and pasted.

(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6906/nochlor3.png) (http://img846.imageshack.us/i/nochlor3.png/)

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Much better!!! Sorry about that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:22:25 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


It's not quite as hinky as you may think Janet. Chloroform releases as a gas after time. Just bc the bones or hair may not have shown chloroform does not mean Caylee didn't die as a result of a chloroform overdose. Chloroform can sit on a body of water then rise above to disintegrate in the air. The fact that severely high levels of chloroform were found in Casey's trunk cannot simply be argued away as only coming from laundry detergent & cleaning agents, especially considering trace elements of chloroform were found within that Gatorade bottle that had the tp roll with the syringe in it! Oh yeah! Casey's defense is sunk.

Too bad Baez didn't go for a mental defense. Lololololololololololololol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:24:12 AM
According to this, it also says there is no evidence of a sticker or sticker residue, but I assume, it was ruined before it got to the FBI, and was seen by people in the police department.  This kind of sucks.

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6294/nosticker.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/nosticker.jpg/)

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http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0218/18740564.pdf

Page with 3798 on bottom.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:24:23 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel

We do not get the Fox News Channel ... she I don't feel torn.  I will search for a transcript on the Fox website later.

Imagine!  This so-called "expert" has no clue in that there is no way that hair strand could belong to Lee.

Thanks again Scatty.

Janet

He is a "tainted expert," his wife is Linda K Baden who is still a consultant for the defense, reason she left was because she wasnt going to get paid  when Casey was declared indigent yet she is....hmmm   They are both full of crap, period.

BBM

I still say that in private the Baden's do buy into this new science evidence of the deathband..not on TV ..but in private. 

My reason:  Money or no money..If LKB thought for one minute she could win the point of disputing the deathband she would be there in a NY minute...this is groundbreaking science that will be used in trials going forward.  Since this is the first trial it has been used in it will set a precedant.  If she thought she could win objections to the science and credibility of that sceince against this deathband she would have been front and center.  Think of the publicity she would gain as the person that was able to show this was junk science.

Not showing her face, being on the phone in the background tells me she believes in this science and knows they have no leg to stand on in disputing the deathband theory.  It only appears in the hair of dead people..not all dead people..but only dead people.  Certainly Dr Baden is fully aware of this....but with wifey still being paid as a consultant one must not mess with the defense theroy of ...well what..the child's dead.. they know that.   Decomp in the trunk ..they know that.  They just don't like someone pointing out there was a dead body in Casey's car trunk..that's just too little too late. 

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
I was reading through some evidence and look what I found.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7379/hairmassdecomp.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/hairmassdecomp.jpg/)

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Does this mean to anybody else that the hairs had the death bands?



Hey Zoo, I think the first sentence says it " apparent decomposition" I hope that means death bands. What else did they say would prove hair decomposing?

Yayyyyy! I love you Zoomom! Thank you sooo much! I knew it had to be tested! I knew there had to be some kind of degradation but at least one had to show decomp! I'm so excited!

Ok, so now after seeing this, maybe "some" of the hairs on the tape didn't show a death band so that's how the State can say it was applied to a living Caylee?

You made my day! I was gonna go searching the forensic docs today lol! Thank you! 

You are welcome.  I am trying to find any tests on the duct tape and if there were hairs on it, if they showed decomp or not, but I don't see any duct tape tests that even mention hair.  I am still looking.

We will prob hear more about the hair found with the body when they get to finding the body.  The state is going in a certain order, like a story, which makes sense, but it is confusing to keep it all separate to different time frames.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:28:04 AM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:28:51 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

I believe it is in some products, but not to the level found in the trunk, or else the products would not be safe for us humans to use. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: anothermonkey on June 05, 2011, 10:32:43 AM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:37:14 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

I believe it is in some products, but not to the level found in the trunk, or else the products would not be safe for us humans to use. 

it can be the result of a mixture of products but not at the level detected. It can be found on the net as easily made with household everyday products carefully measured & cooled. It's dangerous to even try to make, but easy according to what I read...not that I'd ever do that!

It's my honest belief she was gonna "off" her parents. She said George had a stroke, which he didn't, so it wouldn't surprise me if she also researched what she could give him to die but make it look like a stroke. Her calling Cindy crazy & stuff makes me believe shed have done whatever to off George first then make Cindy's death look like a suicide. She's a nutcase.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 10:43:19 AM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

I believe it is in some products, but not to the level found in the trunk, or else the products would not be safe for us humans to use. 



I think they've said before that there is no chloroform in Febreeze!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel

We do not get the Fox News Channel ... she I don't feel torn.  I will search for a transcript on the Fox website later.

Imagine!  This so-called "expert" has no clue in that there is no way that hair strand could belong to Lee.

Thanks again Scatty.

Janet

He is a "tainted expert," his wife is Linda K Baden who is still a consultant for the defense, reason she left was because she wasnt going to get paid  when Casey was declared indigent yet she is....hmmm   They are both full of crap, period.

BBM

I still say that in private the Baden's do buy into this new science evidence of the deathband..not on TV ..but in private. 

My reason:  Money or no money..If LKB thought for one minute she could win the point of disputing the deathband she would be there in a NY minute...this is groundbreaking science that will be used in trials going forward.  Since this is the first trial it has been used in it will set a precedant.  If she thought she could win objections to the science and credibility of that sceince against this deathband she would have been front and center.  Think of the publicity she would gain as the person that was able to show this was junk science.

Not showing her face, being on the phone in the background tells me she believes in this science and knows they have no leg to stand on in disputing the deathband theory.  It only appears in the hair of dead people..not all dead people..but only dead people.  Certainly Dr Baden is fully aware of this....but with wifey still being paid as a consultant one must not mess with the defense theroy of ...well what..the child's dead.. they know that.   Decomp in the trunk ..they know that.  They just don't like someone pointing out there was a dead body in Casey's car trunk..that's just too little too late. 

 

I thought it was just the first trial in "Florida" but that it's been used before? No? Btw, this is absolutely not junk science fir any of those out there that don't understand it. Think of it like this: technology changes everyday, for tge better, not for tge worse. Everything being learned is extra, going forward, not backward. When I was a kid, I thought it was a big deal to have a cordless phone with a 9 inch antenna on it lol! Now my kids all have cell phones, iTouch, computers, etc. Does technology ever go backward? No. Everything being done now is amazing. Genetics, DNA splicing & mapping, virus identification & treatments as well as bacterial diseases, yep forensics is damn interesting! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 10:47:02 AM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


They have got to get that in somehow, they cannot just let it go, it's very compelling evidence for the jury to hear! Can you imagine their reaction if they heard that a heart was placed over the duct tape, omg, that would just about seal it for me!! It has to get in!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:55:01 AM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.

The article is quoting Yuri Melich from released documents.  FBI Karen Cowan was the source behind Melich's words.  What happened to the sticker? 

Janet

++++++

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4351078/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Feb-18-2009

Page 8:

"FBI analyst Karen Cowan gave me an update on the duct tape recovered from the body..While processing the duct tape the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistant with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 05, 2011, 10:55:12 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-she-hurt-herself-severely-with-tapes-geraldo-rivera-says.html

Casey Anthony: She ‘hurt herself severely with tapes,’ Geraldo Rivera says
 ::snipping2::

Fox News’ Geraldo Rivera told WOFL-Channel 35 that the jailhouse tapes may not seal Anthony’s fate but they ”portray her as a pathological liar, a narcissist, self-involved, selfish.”
 
The crucial moment in the tapes, Rivera said, was Anthony’s dismissing the idea that Caylee drowned — which her attorney now says is what happened. ”She hurt herself severely with these tapes,” Rivera said. “Clearly, today was a good day for the prosecution.”
 
Yet Rivera repeated a familiar theme for him: There’s “no way” they will get a capital-murder conviction because “the prosecutor in Orange County overreached.” And Rivera called the case against Anthony “fatally flawed.” Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
 ::snipping2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 10:55:15 AM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 11:00:34 AM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.

The article is quoting Yuri Melich from released documents.  FBI Karen Cowan was the source behind Melich's words.  What happened to the sticker? 

Janet

++++++

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4351078/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Feb-18-2009

Page 8:

"FBI analyst Karen Cowan gave me an update on the duct tape recovered from the body..While processing the duct tape the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistant with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape."

I definitely believe there was a sticker placed on that duct tape, but I am looking for anything to prove that to the jury.  Maybe they will just state it, the FBI people, and then Bozo will be all stupid and denying since there is no proof of it.  I was just wondering how they are going to present it to the jury when there are no pictures of it, no lab reports proving it, etc.  Bozo will have a field day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 11:02:29 AM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
**SNIPPED***

Bringing forward again...
I still don't see it.  That duct tape was attached well after death, and up until the skull was found.  She was dead for several days (one would think) before the hair began detaching itself from the skull.  I would think there would be hair both with and without death bands attached to that duct tape.  But that's just me. 

I don't think it helps Byass's case that much ... Casey is still a murderer ... but that's some weird science if you ask me. 
[/quote]
The key to remember here is that Dr. G definitively states that the duct tape was applied prior to decomposition.  In it's simplest sense, decomposition includes before the death banding would have formed on hair attached to a dead body. The chemical changes that a body undergoes during decomposition is what produces that unique death band marker.  Death banding has never been replicated on a live body.  No worries, Monkeys!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 05, 2011, 11:09:53 AM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 05, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?
I honestly think that it's as simple as, she was pissed because the police didn't buy her bs, and locked her up, and her parents continued to question her.  She has the emotional maturity of a 6 year old.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.

Yes, but he then mentioned Lee who is not dead nor female


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: DonFL on June 05, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.

Yes, but he then mentioned Lee who is not dead nor female

How sure are you of those two points?    ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

It's scary when you think about it. Then when you put 2&2 together & consider she had an I'd of Amy's, Casey was talking about going to Cali to visit Mark, she had no problem with her lies & her stealing...so I believe she was gonna assume another identity & disappear to start over. Maybe she'd have gone as far as planning that trip to Cali then staging an accident where her car could have blown up, all the while she'd have had another identity to start over. She's already shown how easy it is for her to live off of other people, so why not continue that path? She used everybody she came in contact with. Yet she seems to show real emotion for her brother Lee? Maybe that's bc he's the only sane person that saw right through her skank azz!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Dr Michael Baden (LKB's husband)  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Just tried to say the death band hair could have been Lee's, the panel reminded him that it was stated that it was female.  Cindy is blonde, Casey dyed her hair, Caylee was murdered.   OMG why are these professionals so easily willing to put their reputations on the line!

Sorry I have no link I had this saved in my notes

Dr. Michael Baden explained that after death, a "band" forms around the hair that is not found in the hair of a living person. This is how they can tell if a hair came from a living or deceased person. The hair found in the trunk was tested & did have that 'band' present.

Yes, but he then mentioned Lee who is not dead nor female

How sure are you of those two points?    ::piggy::

lmao


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 11:21:14 AM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Wonder if this is going to be bought up in court.. That casey had ANOTHER change to come clean, put this to rest, and declined.

So almost 3 years later, gone threw over a mil dollars on this case, we are back to square one.  With more lyes to boot.
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:22:43 AM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?
I honestly think that it's as simple as, she was pissed because the police didn't buy her bs, and locked her up, and her parents continued to question her.  She has the emotional maturity of a 6 year old.
ita


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 11:24:04 AM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?

IMHO, her frustration was because her main goal that day was to manipulate her parents into getting her bailed out by any means necessary & she wasnt getting her way nor was the focus on her solely.   When she refers to the reward money for Caylee as enough for her bond, that motive becomes very clear.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:24:39 AM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Wonder if this is going to be bought up in court.. That casey had ANOTHER change to come clean, put this to rest, and declined.

So almost 3 years later, gone threw over a mil dollars on this case, we are back to square one.  With more lyes to boot.
 ::MonkeyEek::

Better be brought us bc it's the truth! She had ample opportunities to come clean!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: _icey_ on June 05, 2011, 11:26:50 AM
Casey chose not to watch the memorial service for her daughter Caylee. Instead she chose to meet with her lawyer at that time. What a wicked person she is!!!  ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgE2edSS6bc


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:27:55 AM
Sorry about all of my typos. On my iPhone, hard typing without a keyboard. Sometimes smartphones aren't as smart as they're portrayed to be!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 11:29:28 AM
Forgot my manners-I'm sorry!  Good morning, everyone!  Reading back and jumping in.  Can you tell? LOL  Thinking about Dr. G's definitive statement here.  Strictly my opinion here, but  I thin she's telling us there were no death banded hairs in the hair mat attached to the tape.  If there are no death banded hairs whatsoever, statistically speaking, that could conclusively and accurately prove the duct tape was placed there prior to decomposition (the early 1-8 hours of decomposition).  What do you think?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation



If they bothered to listen to the tapes of the Universal conversation (which no one seems to have done throughout this trial) She was told more than once she was free to leave and asked if she knew wanted to help them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 11:35:29 AM
THE STICKER

I believe that the sticker is relevent to the case against Casey Anthony for two main reasons:.

1.  The prosecutor wants the issue included.
2.  The defence wants the issue excluded.

What was the outcome of the hearing?  Anyone know?

Janet

+++++


Casey Anthony wants heart sticker evidence excluded from trial
Casey Anthony's defense team filed a motion Tuesday seeking to exclude references to the sticker or heart-shaped residue from her first-degree murder trial.
December 29, 2010


Casey Anthony's defense team doesn't want any mention of a heart sticker or heart-shaped residue — which was reportedly found on duct tape that was uncovered with her dead toddler's remains — during the mother's first-degree murder trial.

In a motion filed late Tuesday, defense attorneys asked a judge to exclude the "phantom" evidence, claiming it violates Anthony's Constitutional rights, including to due process.

<snipped>

Orange County Sheriff's Office investigative documents earlier released said a piece of silver duct tape was placed over Caylee's mouth area.

Detective Yuri Melich wrote that when the tape was processed at a FBI lab, a technician noticed residue in the shape of a heart. It appeared to be consistent with a heart-shaped sticker, Melich wrote. He also noted investigators found a heart-shaped sticker similar in size to the residue in the search area.

But other investigative reports publicly released said the residue couldn't be detected after the FBI processed the evidence for fingerprints. No one took a picture of the residue before it was destroyed.

In his motion, defense attorney Jose Baez said the fingerprint examiner only saw the alleged residue when she performed a procedure called "super glue fuming."

The examiner said she wasn't certain exactly what she saw and did not authorize law-enforcement to "allege otherwise, the story of the 'heart sticker.'"

"Law enforcement has been instrumental in manufacturing a story where there clearly was none," Baez wrote.

"Despite their complete lack of basis in fact, these reckless and patently untrue statements have exploded in the media and quickly spiraled out of control. There is now a common public perception, contrary to fact, that actual residue of a sticker was found on the duct tape."

Baez said defendants have the right to examine tangible evidence, and when evidence is destroyed, it can't be used against the defendant at trial and must be excluded.

The defense asked that a hearing date be set to argue the matter.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-heart-sticker-20101229,0,5749918.story


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:37:17 AM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation



If they bothered to listen to the tapes of the Universal conversation (which no one seems to have done throughout this trial) She was told more than once she was free to leave and asked if she knew wanted to help them.

Exactly. I think it's such a shame that she was given the amount of chances she got in the first place. Mutha of the year!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 05, 2011, 11:37:29 AM
The hair was 8 or 9 inches long. Ever see Lee with hair that long ?
..
I think Bozo is going to go after Cindy. He tried to yesterday with the hairbrush she gave to LE but got shut down. She was asked for a hairbrush that only Caylee used, she gave one that KC and Cayle used. Who would do that ? In Mrs. Clean's house, the hairbrush only had one hair.   
..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 11:47:23 AM
Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

BBM
Hi Turbo!

The line I bolded is exactly the premise I have had all along.

Caylee was murdered the night of the 15th into the early hours of the 16th.

I never believed George's story about seeing them on the morning/ early afternoon of the 16th.

Why..because that was in an interview with LE in which he lied about a lot of things.  His description of the clothing Caylee was wearing , down to the sunglasses and backpack was completely wrong....that backpack he described..white with Dora and Boots on it.. was never found at the house or the retrieval site..because it didn't exist.  He said she was in a denim skirt..she was found in a diaper and on leg bone still inside the plaid shorts...the pink shirt is interesting..but Caylee had many pink shirts..and when Cindy saw that shirt she said she had never seen it before on Caylee.  Although there are pics of Caylee in it, they are taken at Ricardo's.  I think that was part of the clothes that Casey kept stashed in her car for Caylee when she was staying with her firends..certainly it does not look to be the type of clothing Cindy would have bought for Caylee.

After that interview with George, also Cindy and Lee..LE felt they were lying somewhat and trying to cover for Casey.

I think she had the fight with her Mom..decided she was going to get out of their life forever and then Caylee started screaming for Cindy because of Casey's fury..and the rest is history.

I also think that Caylee was able to tell Cindy things now..and Cindy was beginning to doubt a lot of Casey's stories.  It would be a challenge to try to decide if the accounts of a 3 year old vs her lying mother..which were accurate..but I think Cindy staked her claim to Caylee that night and was on the verge of kicking Casey out.

Infact I think that probably a week before there may have been a blow up about getting Caylee away form Casey and kicking Casey out of the house.  Meaning Cindy may have stated that was her intention if Casey didn't change.  There is a reason why the date of 6/7,8 and 9 originally came into play.  I know they said they had the wrong weekend for the Father's Day visit..and that I believe..but I also believe that there were discussions with Casey in the week prior and the stealing again from Grandma was the icing on the cake.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 11:51:41 AM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.

All jmo....
Cindy bought that up for cremation.  Casey didn't like ANYTHING that her mom would suggest period.

If you think about it for a minute, why other reason would totmom be against it. 
Totmom put Calyee in trash/garbage bags then threw Caylee in the woods to be e@ten by animals plus scattered by them.  Gross/sry
 ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 11:53:29 AM
What other reason.
I got to poof read before I post......sry
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 11:53:38 AM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.

Yep, there was a tooth impression. We have closeup pics somewhere. I may have even posted it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.

Most likely was their motivation but I do not believe Casey was against it as much as her attorney felt it was a good idea for her to express she was because it would be in her favor to object.  IMHO, it seems obvious that Casey & Bozo planned to throw her parents under the bus by all means necessary & beyond.  When she was bailed out and we witnessed her going to her attorney's office to spend the entire day daily, I found that extremely unethical & a direct attempt to cut her parents off from any discussions regarding her defense.  He used them to facilitate the conditions of her bond, elicited information from them & only informed them of things to ascertain same and/or use against them later on.  Bozo displayed this overkill "dont talk to anyone" even earlier when he demanded no one speak to her outside his presence, including when the Padilla crew came to town.   He's a snake and his client is venomous.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 12:03:46 PM
According to this, it also says there is no evidence of a sticker or sticker residue, but I assume, it was ruined before it got to the FBI, and was seen by people in the police department.  This kind of sucks.

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/6294/nosticker.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/nosticker.jpg/)

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http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0218/18740564.pdf

Page with 3798 on bottom.

I noticed reading the list what we said about no chlorine in their pool they have  listed the Bacquil for the pool.  Now they are going to have to change all their story to "another swimming pool" and not the home one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 05, 2011, 12:04:10 PM
Said a prayer at church today for this little angel  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://patrishka.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/anthony-caylee-8.jpg)

I hope all of our prayers will be answered and there will be Justice for Caylee


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4 Donks on June 05, 2011, 12:06:03 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 05, 2011, 12:06:50 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

Wasn't the date she originally told authorities June 6th? Or am I thinking of something else?   ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4 Donks on June 05, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

Wasn't the date she originally told authorities June 6th? Or am I thinking of something else?   ::boxingcasey2::

The opening statement admits she "accidentally" died  on the 16th


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:10:25 PM
Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

BBM
Hi Turbo!

The line I bolded is exactly the premise I have had all along.

Caylee was murdered the night of the 15th into the early hours of the 16th.

I never believed George's story about seeing them on the morning/ early afternoon of the 16th.

Why..because that was in an interview with LE in which he lied about a lot of things.  His description of the clothing Caylee was wearing , down to the sunglasses and backpack was completely wrong....that backpack he described..white with Dora and Boots on it.. was never found at the house or the retrieval site..because it didn't exist.  He said she was in a denim skirt..she was found in a diaper and on leg bone still inside the plaid shorts...the pink shirt is interesting..but Caylee had many pink shirts..and when Cindy saw that shirt she said she had never seen it before on Caylee.  Although there are pics of Caylee in it, they are taken at Ricardo's.  I think that was part of the clothes that Casey kept stashed in her car for Caylee when she was staying with her firends..certainly it does not look to be the type of clothing Cindy would have bought for Caylee.

After that interview with George, also Cindy and Lee..LE felt they were lying somewhat and trying to cover for Casey.

I think she had the fight with her Mom..decided she was going to get out of their life forever and then Caylee started screaming for Cindy because of Casey's fury..and the rest is history.

I also think that Caylee was able to tell Cindy things now..and Cindy was beginning to doubt a lot of Casey's stories.  It would be a challenge to try to decide if the accounts of a 3 year old vs her lying mother..which were accurate..but I think Cindy staked her claim to Caylee that night and was on the verge of kicking Casey out.

Infact I think that probably a week before there may have been a blow up about getting Caylee away form Casey and kicking Casey out of the house.  Meaning Cindy may have stated that was her intention if Casey didn't change.  There is a reason why the date of 6/7,8 and 9 originally came into play.  I know they said they had the wrong weekend for the Father's Day visit..and that I believe..but I also believe that there were discussions with Casey in the week prior and the stealing again from Grandma was the icing on the cake.



Do you guys remember the Zeneida Gonzales that had her house or office broken into? I think she lived in Cocoa or near there. She lived a straight shot down the Beeline if I remember right. When was her burglary? I think computers & a laptop were stolen. Wasn't this Zenaida a counselor or something? Did she also have connections to the counselor Cindy was seeing? How ironic is it that this counselor of Cindy's talked with Cindy about tough love & taking custody of Caylee, then Caylee is killed? How ironic would it be if this Zenaida actually had connections to the counselor that Cindy saw?

Also, when was Nichole Ganguzza's murder in JBP? Was it the weekend of the 9th?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

BBM
Hi Turbo!

The line I bolded is exactly the premise I have had all along.

Caylee was murdered the night of the 15th into the early hours of the 16th.

I never believed George's story about seeing them on the morning/ early afternoon of the 16th.

Why..because that was in an interview with LE in which he lied about a lot of things.  His description of the clothing Caylee was wearing , down to the sunglasses and backpack was completely wrong....that backpack he described..white with Dora and Boots on it.. was never found at the house or the retrieval site..because it didn't exist.  He said she was in a denim skirt..she was found in a diaper and on leg bone still inside the plaid shorts...the pink shirt is interesting..but Caylee had many pink shirts..and when Cindy saw that shirt she said she had never seen it before on Caylee.  Although there are pics of Caylee in it, they are taken at Ricardo's.  I think that was part of the clothes that Casey kept stashed in her car for Caylee when she was staying with her firends..certainly it does not look to be the type of clothing Cindy would have bought for Caylee.

After that interview with George, also Cindy and Lee..LE felt they were lying somewhat and trying to cover for Casey.

I think she had the fight with her Mom..decided she was going to get out of their life forever and then Caylee started screaming for Cindy because of Casey's fury..and the rest is history.

I also think that Caylee was able to tell Cindy things now..and Cindy was beginning to doubt a lot of Casey's stories.  It would be a challenge to try to decide if the accounts of a 3 year old vs her lying mother..which were accurate..but I think Cindy staked her claim to Caylee that night and was on the verge of kicking Casey out.

Infact I think that probably a week before there may have been a blow up about getting Caylee away form Casey and kicking Casey out of the house.  Meaning Cindy may have stated that was her intention if Casey didn't change.  There is a reason why the date of 6/7,8 and 9 originally came into play.  I know they said they had the wrong weekend for the Father's Day visit..and that I believe..but I also believe that there were discussions with Casey in the week prior and the stealing again from Grandma was the icing on the cake.

GypsyDD, I agree. 
Additionally, I believe chloroform was used to try and clean the trunk and not used to murder little Caylee.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 12:10:39 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

Labs have test samples that they compare evidence to. Dr. Vass will testify to the chloroform in the trunk of the car being 10,000 times higher than the labs test sample and that he's never before seen chloroform evidence at such a high level.
That is what he testified to in the Frye hearing at the preliminary trial.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 05, 2011, 12:11:32 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.

Most likely was their motivation but I do not believe Casey was against it as much as her attorney felt it was a good idea for her to express she was because it would be in her favor to object.  IMHO, it seems obvious that Casey & Bozo planned to throw her parents under the bus by all means necessary & beyond.  When she was bailed out and we witnessed her going to her attorney's office to spend the entire day daily, I found that extremely unethical & a direct attempt to cut her parents off from any discussions regarding her defense.  He used them to facilitate the conditions of her bond, elicited information from them & only informed them of things to ascertain same and/or use against them later on.  Bozo displayed this overkill "dont talk to anyone" even earlier when he demanded no one speak to her outside his presence, including when the Padilla crew came to town.   He's a snake and his client is venomous.

Most times when a death is considered a homicide they keep specimens of the remains. They don't give the family all of them. I am sure there are still some usable bones available.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: CJLove23 on June 05, 2011, 12:15:43 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

Wasn't the date she originally told authorities June 6th? Or am I thinking of something else?   ::boxingcasey2::

The opening statement admits she "accidentally" died  on the 16th

Yes I know,  but when her mother called the police to say Caylee was missing I could've sworn Casey said something about June 6th


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 05, 2011, 12:18:29 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Wonder if this is going to be bought up in court.. That casey had ANOTHER change to come clean, put this to rest, and declined.

So almost 3 years later, gone threw over a mil dollars on this case, we are back to square one.  With more lyes to boot.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I would see no reason for it to be brought up...although I would love for it to be..just thought it was interesting that JB wanted to talk immunity early on...I wonder WHEN KC told him this drowning story...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 12:24:03 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Red on June 05, 2011, 12:24:58 PM
Casey Anthony Murder Trial Day 10: FBI Expert Karen Lowe Testifies that Hair in Casey's Trunk Came  may be Caylee's with Decomposition

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-10-fbi-expert-karen-lowe-testifies-that-hair-in-caseys-trunk-came-may-be-caylees-with-decompoation/

Quote
It was another bad day for defense attorney Jose Baez and his client tot mom Casey Anthony. The State was allowed to produce evidence against the tot mom and “death banding” of hair. Try as the defense would to disqualify this witness and not allow the testimony into evidence, Baez failed. FBI expert Karen Lowe was allowed to testify that one of the hairs found in the trunk of the car belonging to Casey Anthony came from a dead body. Just curious, why is Baez trying to disprove that an expired Caylee Anthony was in the trunk? Isn't it the Defense's position that Caylee drowned and George Anthony not only was aware but had keys to the vehicle? How did Caylee get from the back yard to where her remains were eventually found 1/2 mile away from the Anthony residence.

The defense took another hit yesterday on day 10 of the Casey Anthony murder trial. FBI expert Karen Lowe and Mike Vincent - OC Sheriff Assist Super Crime Scene Unit did a great job on the witness stand, especially in cross.

I can honestly say that the DEFENSE is in complete disarray and at this point I have no idea what their strategy is, it is obvious neither do they.

The defense from the outset has tried to implicate GEORGE in the so-called drowning and cover up of Caylee as part of some master scheme of sexual abuse of Casey. They have tried to tie GEORGE to the gas cans, the car and the property. During cross of LEE ANTHONY Baez asked whether GEORGE had a second set of keys to Casey's car. The answer was yes.

So doesn't it make one ask why BAEZ would fight so hard that a decomposed hair of Caylee was in the trunk? The Defense has already stated that Caylee was dead. Wouldn't one have to transport her body? If they are implicating George and he had access to the car and the child was dead, why is the defense stating that Caylee was not in the trunk?

The fact of the matter is ... when a client is so guilty of a crime, the defense has no where to go but try and disprove everything and in the process, they have disproved their own assertions.

The DEFENSE and CASEY is toast.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:25:03 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.

100% agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 05, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Wonder if this is going to be bought up in court.. That casey had ANOTHER change to come clean, put this to rest, and declined.

So almost 3 years later, gone threw over a mil dollars on this case, we are back to square one.  With more lyes to boot.
 ::MonkeyEek::

I would see no reason for it to be brought up...although I would love for it to be..just thought it was interesting that JB wanted to talk immunity early on...I wonder WHEN KC told him this drowning story...

Hi Sunny!! I don't know when Casey told Baez, but my bet is that because Cindy stopped looking for Zanny 6 weeks ago, that's the time Baez let the family know he intended to use the story in court.

Cindy and George had no other choice but to face reality at that point. If KC was fabricating what they knew to be a lie, then finally they had to see that she was responsible for Caylee's death. I think part of the reason Cindy broke down like she did in court is because she's just beginning the processing of what happened. Until recently, she could continue living in denial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 12:30:55 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

Labs have test samples that they compare evidence to. Dr. Vass will testify to the chloroform in the trunk of the car being 10,000 times higher than the labs test sample and that he's never before seen chloroform evidence at such a high level.
That is what he testified to in the Frye hearing at the preliminary trial.


Because of the length of time and the expose to the elements there would be no way to trace the drugs. I had hoped the hair would test out, but after talking with a microbiologist I was told that hair would not preserve those in that length of time.  That was KC's whole intention to at least keep the body hidden until everything could no longer be tested. I think she thought they would never find her, but her whole reasoning from the beginning was not to let anyone know because of the drugs in her system. I do think they may have found the chloroform bottle because there is a dark brown bottle in the evidence and chloroform is kept in dark glass.  

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961871409720-16061218.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 05, 2011, 12:32:32 PM
Casey Anthony Murder Trial Day 10: FBI Expert Karen Lowe Testifies that Hair in Casey's Trunk Came  may be Caylee's with Decomposition

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-10-fbi-expert-karen-lowe-testifies-that-hair-in-caseys-trunk-came-may-be-caylees-with-decompoation/

Quote
It was another bad day for defense attorney Jose Baez and his client tot mom Casey Anthony. The State was allowed to produce evidence against the tot mom and “death banding” of hair. Try as the defense would to disqualify this witness and not allow the testimony into evidence, Baez failed. FBI expert Karen Lowe was allowed to testify that one of the hairs found in the trunk of the car belonging to Casey Anthony came from a dead body. Just curious, why is Baez trying to disprove that an expired Caylee Anthony was in the trunk? Isn't it the Defense's position that Caylee drowned and George Anthony not only was aware but had keys to the vehicle? How did Caylee get from the back yard to where her remains were eventually found 1/2 mile away from the Anthony residence.

The defense took another hit yesterday on day 10 of the Casey Anthony murder trial. FBI expert Karen Lowe and Mike Vincent - OC Sheriff Assist Super Crime Scene Unit did a great job on the witness stand, especially in cross.

I can honestly say that the DEFENSE is in complete disarray and at this point I have no idea what their strategy is, it is obvious neither do they.

The defense from the outset has tried to implicate GEORGE in the so-called drowning and cover up of Caylee as part of some master scheme of sexual abuse of Casey. They have tried to tie GEORGE to the gas cans, the car and the property. During cross of LEE ANTHONY Baez asked whether GEORGE had a second set of keys to Casey's car. The answer was yes.

So doesn't it make one ask why BAEZ would fight so hard that a decomposed hair of Caylee was in the trunk? The Defense has already stated that Caylee was dead. Wouldn't one have to transport her body? If they are implicating George and he had access to the car and the child was dead, why is the defense stating that Caylee was not in the trunk?

The fact of the matter is ... when a client is so guilty of a crime, the defense has no where to go but try and disprove everything and in the process, they have disproved their own assertions.

The DEFENSE and CASEY is toast.



:smt041 :smt038

BRAVO, Red! Excellent and well said!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:34:44 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.
I hope she gets more than 20 years. I wouldnt want her married and have children. I agree casey would be a black widow! and is very capable of killing again. If she was so jealous of the relationship ... jesse grund had with cindy! what would make any difference... second go round?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
I meant the relationship caylee and jesse had.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.

Most likely was their motivation but I do not believe Casey was against it as much as her attorney felt it was a good idea for her to express she was because it would be in her favor to object.  IMHO, it seems obvious that Casey & Bozo planned to throw her parents under the bus by all means necessary & beyond.  When she was bailed out and we witnessed her going to her attorney's office to spend the entire day daily, I found that extremely unethical & a direct attempt to cut her parents off from any discussions regarding her defense.  He used them to facilitate the conditions of her bond, elicited information from them & only informed them of things to ascertain same and/or use against them later on.  Bozo displayed this overkill "dont talk to anyone" even earlier when he demanded no one speak to her outside his presence, including when the Padilla crew came to town.   He's a snake and his client is venomous.

Capp, who do you think guided Casey in her Diary of Days...or do you think she came up with that on her own? It's almost  as if a lawyer helped her. Are we certain that Casey honestly got Hoser's name from an inmate or 2? If she lies about everything else, then why tell the truth about how she got her lawyer? I was on WS when Smolea, Sleuther on the Side & I were taking apart the one bj picture. Smolea's arrow points totally lined up with moles, pock marks, indents, etc. Some people don't believe it was Casey, I definitely believe it's her. So, could she have known Hoser from a previous time & just played the media & her family about how she got his name? She never gave names of the people that suggested him, right? So why would she trust an inmate or somebody going to court about Hoser instead of trusting her family or friends to make a better suggestion as far as an attorney is concerned? Doesn't make sense. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 12:37:13 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::













Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 05, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
In regards to using chloroform to clean the trunk, I am not so sure. LE did take way pesiticides and other pest control items from the Anthony home, but I don't know what products or if they contained chloroform. Cindy said she used Frebreze and that has no chloroform, I just looked, plus any type of household cleaning products wouldn't a dangerous chemical like that in it.
..
There were maggots and flies in the trunk and I could see George using something he had on hand to try to kill pests. Or KC on Caylee. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 12:39:08 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 12:41:31 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

Labs have test samples that they compare evidence to. Dr. Vass will testify to the chloroform in the trunk of the car being 10,000 times higher than the labs test sample and that he's never before seen chloroform evidence at such a high level.
That is what he testified to in the Frye hearing at the preliminary trial.


Because of the length of time and the expose to the elements there would be no way to trace the drugs. I had hoped the hair would test out, but after talking with a microbiologist I was told that hair would not preserve those in that length of time.  That was KC's whole intention to at least keep the body hidden until everything could no longer be tested. I think she thought they would never find her, but her whole reasoning from the beginning was not to let anyone know because of the drugs in her system. I do think they may have found the chloroform bottle because there is a dark brown bottle in the evidence and chloroform is kept in dark glass.

<snipped by Tamikosmom> 


Thanks TURBOTHINK

That makes sense when the strands of hair attached to the duct tape is considered but ... no my understanding is that no chloroform was detetect in the strand of hair discovered in the trunk ... on in the trunk itself.

My theory implies that Caylee's unintentional demise was the result of a chloroform overdose ... maybe I will have to reconsider.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:44:07 PM
I am going to listen to Simon  Barett blog talk radio today. Last week he has cobra the bounty hunter on there! it was so annoying.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
I am going to listen to Simon  Barett blog talk radio today. Last week he has cobra the bounty hunter on there! it was so annoying.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Green Eyes on June 05, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
Casey Anthony Murder Trial Day 10: FBI Expert Karen Lowe Testifies that Hair in Casey's Trunk Came  may be Caylee's with Decomposition

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-10-fbi-expert-karen-lowe-testifies-that-hair-in-caseys-trunk-came-may-be-caylees-with-decompoation/

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It was another bad day for defense attorney Jose Baez and his client tot mom Casey Anthony. The State was allowed to produce evidence against the tot mom and “death banding” of hair. Try as the defense would to disqualify this witness and not allow the testimony into evidence, Baez failed. FBI expert Karen Lowe was allowed to testify that one of the hairs found in the trunk of the car belonging to Casey Anthony came from a dead body. Just curious, why is Baez trying to disprove that an expired Caylee Anthony was in the trunk? Isn't it the Defense's position that Caylee drowned and George Anthony not only was aware but had keys to the vehicle? How did Caylee get from the back yard to where her remains were eventually found 1/2 mile away from the Anthony residence.

The defense took another hit yesterday on day 10 of the Casey Anthony murder trial. FBI expert Karen Lowe and Mike Vincent - OC Sheriff Assist Super Crime Scene Unit did a great job on the witness stand, especially in cross.

I can honestly say that the DEFENSE is in complete disarray and at this point I have no idea what their strategy is, it is obvious neither do they.

The defense from the outset has tried to implicate GEORGE in the so-called drowning and cover up of Caylee as part of some master scheme of sexual abuse of Casey. They have tried to tie GEORGE to the gas cans, the car and the property. During cross of LEE ANTHONY Baez asked whether GEORGE had a second set of keys to Casey's car. The answer was yes.

So doesn't it make one ask why BAEZ would fight so hard that a decomposed hair of Caylee was in the trunk? The Defense has already stated that Caylee was dead. Wouldn't one have to transport her body? If they are implicating George and he had access to the car and the child was dead, why is the defense stating that Caylee was not in the trunk?

The fact of the matter is ... when a client is so guilty of a crime, the defense has no where to go but try and disprove everything and in the process, they have disproved their own assertions.

The DEFENSE and CAEY is toast.


I totally agree Red about Casey being toast.  Have wondered the same thing about Baez trying so hard to keep out the hair with the death band. To us normal people that think logically about what he is trying to use as a defense it doesn't make any sense.  The problem being he knows he doesn't have a chance in he77 to accomplish it. So he is trying to keep out all evidence that shows Casey really killed Caylee. Because he knows she killed her and there was no accident.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 12:45:30 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

NO
Janet
Casey looked up how to make chloroform on her computer i had all of this saved

Along with instructions on how to make chloroform at home, also listed are some important considerations to bear in mind while handling this compound and laboratory chemicals. Here's how to make chloroform at
home.

((edit to remove recipe for making it - I'd hate to think someone wanting to kill someone googled and found it at SM))


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 05, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
The person whose testimony I am really interested in is Dom Casey.
Everyone's else's , thanks to  the Sunshine Laws, we have mostly see their statements, but I don't remember his. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 12:46:49 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 12:47:04 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 12:47:32 PM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?
Do you mean this lol
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/movie.gif)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
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TURBOTHINK

Because of the length of time and the expose to the elements there would be no way to trace the drugs. I had hoped the hair would test out, but after talking with a microbiologist I was told that hair would not preserve those in that length of time.  That was KC's whole intention to at least keep the body hidden until everything could no longer be tested. I think she thought they would never find her, but her whole reasoning from the beginning was not to let anyone know because of the drugs in her system. I do think they may have found the chloroform bottle because there is a dark brown bottle in the evidence and chloroform is kept in dark glass. 

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961871409720-16061218.jpg)

Thanks...This hasn't come up in the trial as of yet, right?
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 05, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Murder NEVER is 100% established in any case regardless if the evidence is circumstantial or eye witness. That is not the legal requirement for a guilty verdict even when it includes the death penalty. The "accident" story does not pass muster on a number of items and the wild story bozo told is going to jump up and bite him in the butt.

1. She waited 31 days and then never reported it. Her mother did when KC was caught.
2. She had no prior history of mental illness which would keep her from knowing right and wrong. (which is the legal definition of insanity)
3. The bones did not indicate drowning. (you will hear that later in court)
4. George was not there and he put himself in the position to be accused when he lied saying he saw them the morning of the 16th. He may have seen KC carrying out Caylee in that laundry bag, but in my mind she died the night of the 15th after KC & Cindy had that fight.5. On the jailhouse tapes KC talks about how George is the best father anyone could have.
6. Now that they have locked themselves into this new story, the proof will be much easier than the state expected.
7. Tony will be brought back to testify that she never told him George molested her.
8. Jesse Grund will tell she never told him she was molested.
9. The death bands on the tape is irrelevant. Hair samples are not identifiable for that after a short period of time.

(a number of other reasons but this is enough for now)

The natural appearance of hair include use of hair dyes, rinses, permanents, frosts, and other chemical applications. Environmental alterations can result from exposure to excessive sunlight, wind, dryness, and other conditions. Because hair can be affected by a number of environmental and chemical conditions, it is recommended that head hair samples be obtained as soon as possible from suspects and victims of crime. Head hair samples obtained years after a crime are generally not suitable for meaningful comparison purposes because they lose all identifiable  properties.
 

BBM
Hi Turbo!

The line I bolded is exactly the premise I have had all along.

Caylee was murdered the night of the 15th into the early hours of the 16th.

I never believed George's story about seeing them on the morning/ early afternoon of the 16th.

Why..because that was in an interview with LE in which he lied about a lot of things.  His description of the clothing Caylee was wearing , down to the sunglasses and backpack was completely wrong....that backpack he described..white with Dora and Boots on it.. was never found at the house or the retrieval site..because it didn't exist.  He said she was in a denim skirt..she was found in a diaper and on leg bone still inside the plaid shorts...the pink shirt is interesting..but Caylee had many pink shirts..and when Cindy saw that shirt she said she had never seen it before on Caylee.  Although there are pics of Caylee in it, they are taken at Ricardo's.  I think that was part of the clothes that Casey kept stashed in her car for Caylee when she was staying with her firends..certainly it does not look to be the type of clothing Cindy would have bought for Caylee.

After that interview with George, also Cindy and Lee..LE felt they were lying somewhat and trying to cover for Casey.

I think she had the fight with her Mom..decided she was going to get out of their life forever and then Caylee started screaming for Cindy because of Casey's fury..and the rest is history.

I also think that Caylee was able to tell Cindy things now..and Cindy was beginning to doubt a lot of Casey's stories.  It would be a challenge to try to decide if the accounts of a 3 year old vs her lying mother..which were accurate..but I think Cindy staked her claim to Caylee that night and was on the verge of kicking Casey out.

Infact I think that probably a week before there may have been a blow up about getting Caylee away form Casey and kicking Casey out of the house.  Meaning Cindy may have stated that was her intention if Casey didn't change.  There is a reason why the date of 6/7,8 and 9 originally came into play.  I know they said they had the wrong weekend for the Father's Day visit..and that I believe..but I also believe that there were discussions with Casey in the week prior and the stealing again from Grandma was the icing on the cake.



I've often wondered whether George was lying about seeing them on the 16th. Early in the investigation, I remember some info that Casey left the house on the night of the 15th in a rage, and also remember that her phone records showed that she was gone most of the night and made many calls/texts.  Haven't heard any more about this (and my memory could be wrong).... anymonkeys remember this stuff?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
Does anyone remember ? either by text or phone call? casey telling tony that taking care of caylee is like working a 8 hr shift. something to that effect?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 12:49:29 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



You could be right.

Nevertheless ... communication records indicate that Casey was on her computer up to one hour prior to the flurry of unsuccessful cell phone attempts to contact her parents.

Where was Caylee?

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 12:51:06 PM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


They have it in evidence?


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/4271117.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickeralbumfoundincaseyanthonyroom2-18-09.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/envelopeheartsticker.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 12:52:23 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.

Woow, there's so much stuff I don't know...Thanks again.
Is this person on the witness list to testify?
 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 05, 2011, 12:56:05 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.

This is the video KC was watching in court when she said, "Then why doesn't he?" but I'm still looking for the split screen where you can see her say it. It's in response to George beginning at 9:46:

http://www.wftv.com/video/28121234/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Does anyone remember ? either by text or phone call? casey telling tony that taking care of caylee is like working a 8 hr shift. something to that effect?

For once that's an understatement that totmom made?
As all of us know taking care of children is a 24/7 till the day they die.
dk about the call/text thou, sry loca....
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 12:58:21 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.

This is the video KC was watching in court when she said, "Then why doesn't he?" but I'm still looking for the split screen where you can see her say it. It's in response to George beginning at 9:46:

http://www.wftv.com/video/28121234/index.html

Thanks CBB!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
Casey Anthony Murder Trial Day 10: FBI Expert Karen Lowe Testifies that Hair in Casey's Trunk Came  may be Caylee's with Decomposition

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-10-fbi-expert-karen-lowe-testifies-that-hair-in-caseys-trunk-came-may-be-caylees-with-decompoation/

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It was another bad day for defense attorney Jose Baez and his client tot mom Casey Anthony. The State was allowed to produce evidence against the tot mom and “death banding” of hair. Try as the defense would to disqualify this witness and not allow the testimony into evidence, Baez failed. FBI expert Karen Lowe was allowed to testify that one of the hairs found in the trunk of the car belonging to Casey Anthony came from a dead body. Just curious, why is Baez trying to disprove that an expired Caylee Anthony was in the trunk? Isn't it the Defense's position that Caylee drowned and George Anthony not only was aware but had keys to the vehicle? How did Caylee get from the back yard to where her remains were eventually found 1/2 mile away from the Anthony residence.

The defense took another hit yesterday on day 10 of the Casey Anthony murder trial. FBI expert Karen Lowe and Mike Vincent - OC Sheriff Assist Super Crime Scene Unit did a great job on the witness stand, especially in cross.

I can honestly say that the DEFENSE is in complete disarray and at this point I have no idea what their strategy is, it is obvious neither do they.

The defense from the outset has tried to implicate GEORGE in the so-called drowning and cover up of Caylee as part of some master scheme of sexual abuse of Casey. They have tried to tie GEORGE to the gas cans, the car and the property. During cross of LEE ANTHONY Baez asked whether GEORGE had a second set of keys to Casey's car. The answer was yes.

So doesn't it make one ask why BAEZ would fight so hard that a decomposed hair of Caylee was in the trunk? The Defense has already stated that Caylee was dead. Wouldn't one have to transport her body? If they are implicating George and he had access to the car and the child was dead, why is the defense stating that Caylee was not in the trunk?

The fact of the matter is ... when a client is so guilty of a crime, the defense has no where to go but try and disprove everything and in the process, they have disproved their own assertions.

The DEFENSE and CAEY is toast.


I totally agree Red about Casey being toast.  Have wondered the same thing about Baez trying so hard to keep out the hair with the death band. To us normal people that think logically about what he is trying to use as a defense it doesn't make any sense.  The problem being he knows he doesn't have a chance in he77 to accomplish it. So he is trying to keep out all evidence that shows Casey really killed Caylee. Because he knows she killed her and there was no accident.

I 2nd that!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 01:01:35 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.

Woow, there's so much stuff I don't know...Thanks again.
Is this person on the witness list to testify?
 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:02:29 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

I believe you are right on that. I think the chloroform was to kill her parents also. I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash. How she intended to use it on her parents, I am not sure, but I will always believe she was going to do that soon because she kept telling everyone she was getting their house.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
The hair was 8 or 9 inches long. Ever see Lee with hair that long ?
..
I think Bozo is going to go after Cindy. He tried to yesterday with the hairbrush she gave to LE but got shut down. She was asked for a hairbrush that only Caylee used, she gave one that KC and Cayle used. Who would do that ? In Mrs. Clean's house, the hairbrush only had one hair.   
..


He can't, they said 9'' long untreated hair. Cindy's hair is bleached = treated
Casey hair was treated


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 01:05:00 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

To me, it doesnt matter what Casey states thru her attorney or otherwise.

The evening of June 15th Cindy argued with her over stealing money from her grandparents & what I believe to be another threat that Cindy would go after getting custody of Caylee.   Caylee was not seen after that or as George indicated the late morning/early afternoon of the 16th but Casey began her freedom without any concern or upset thereafter.  The "flurry" of phone calls Casey made tells me she killed Caylee on the 16th, and not by "an accident due to negligence."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


They have it in evidence?


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/4271117.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickeralbumfoundincaseyanthonyroom2-18-09.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/envelopeheartsticker.jpg)

No that is a completely different sticker found at the scene.  All that was on the duct tape was residue, as though a sticker had been there.  IIRC, no sticker at all, just the residue, which was impossible to catch on film, and as the tape was tested, it disappeared.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 01:07:06 PM
Reading here, http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/publications/abstract.aspx?id=187165 (http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/publications/abstract.aspx?id=187165) , the most common form of postmortem evidence on hair roots is not the death band.  There are four known markers of postmortem hair change.  The most common one found is keratin points and brush-like ends found on the hairs. The hard keratin point on a hair root is from a moist scalp, while the brush-like ends are from dry scalps.  Scalps can have both.
If this was a drowning death, Caylee's scalp hair would all have keratin points on any remaining root ends (duct taped strands, as well as sole trunk strand).  JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 17, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:10:54 PM

I totally agree Red about Casey being toast.  Have wondered the same thing about Baez trying so hard to keep out the hair with the death band. To us normal people that think logically about what he is trying to use as a defense it doesn't make any sense.  The problem being he knows he doesn't have a chance in he77 to accomplish it. So he is trying to keep out all evidence that shows Casey really killed Caylee. Because he knows she killed her and there was no accident.

I 2nd that!

Bozo is so unorganized it is chaotic trying to follow him. I am sure the jury is wondering what the heck he is doing. A good defense attorney would have all that in perfect order and because he has claimed she drowned there would be no reason to go on and on about that hair. She had to be somewhere before being dumped. He is making the case for the state with all these defense motions to exclude evidence when he should have been watching those jailhouse tapes and asking for the damaging parts to be redacted. (the court would have allowed that) Those have been the most damaging so far even though all the evidence is now piling up on him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 01:10:55 PM

Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.

Woow, there's so much stuff I don't know...Thanks again.
Is this person on the witness list to testify?
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Don't know what happened with my last post, posted but forgot comment...

Turbo, I remember that! Was that sighting verified? That's actually one of the tidbits of info that made me think she was supplying small favors or something lol. I know those amateur porn peeps can set up shop in hotel rooms, do live stream then quick stills, then quick relocate when somebody catches on. Oh heck, besides the point anyway. Casey killed Caylee which is what the jury needs to realize.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 01:10:57 PM
snip
Tamikosmom

 I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash.


...................................................................
How do you do that without the person knowing?
You can tell I have no experience this this matter... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/experts-say-casey-anthony-up-against-meticulous-case-from-prosecutors-wild-defense-theory/2011/06/05/AGo7oXJH_story.html

Experts say Casey Anthony up against meticulous case from prosecutors, wild defense theory
By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, June 5, 9:54 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. — Legal experts say prosecutors’ meticulous murder case against Casey Anthony so far, along with the woman’s sensational claims that her father covered up her daughter’s death after the 2-year-old drowned, could make it difficult to avoid a conviction.

Saturday ended the second week of testimony in Anthony’s murder trial, and prosecutors say it also marks roughly the halfway point of their case. Prosecutors are trying to prove that the single mother, then 22, suffocated her daughter Caylee by placing duct tape over the girl’s mouth and then dumped her body in the woods near her parents’ home.

It’s a high-profile case that has demanded a methodical approach from a prosecution team with more than 70 years of combined experience — in part because, if convicted, Anthony could become only the fourth woman added to Florida’s current roster of 397 death row inmates.

Meanwhile, defense attorneys introduced a wild theory during opening statements, saying that the toddler accidently drowned on June 15, 2008, in her grandparents’ swimming pool and that grandfather George Anthony helped dispose of her body. They also claimed he molested Casey when she was a child, leaving her emotionally scarred.

Even without a clear motive established for why Casey Anthony, now 25, might have killed her daughter, some court watchers said those defense arguments may be overshadowing any deficiencies in the prosecution’s case.

“I believe they have almost relieved the state of their burden of proof by making such strong assertions in opening statements,” said Karin Moore, a professor at Florida A&M University’s College of Law. “They are going to have to prove it now. It is going to be a difficult task for them.”
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
snip

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet

.....................
Was in Georges testimony about the baking soda, that was in the trash bag.. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

To me, it doesnt matter what Casey states thru her attorney or otherwise.

The evening of June 15th Cindy argued with her over stealing money from her grandparents & what I believe to be another threat that Cindy would go after getting custody of Caylee.   Caylee was not seen after that or as George indicated the late morning/early afternoon of the 16th but Casey began her freedom without any concern or upset thereafter.  The "flurry" of phone calls Casey made tells me she killed Caylee on the 16th, and not by "an accident due to negligence."

And THAT is why she could not call the police. She KNEW she was toast if they saw & tested the body.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:15:54 PM
snip

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet

.....................
Was in Georges testimony about the baking soda, that was in the trash bag.. ::monkeywine2::

It was listed on one of the lists because I wondered if she thought that would take the smell out like you use it in a fridge. Only someone with little life experience would try baking soda unless they used 50 boxes of it to get rid of that smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 01:16:01 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 17, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet




I believe you may be confusing it with Arm and Hammer Detergent, which I believe was in the trunk IIRC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 01:16:54 PM
Does anyone remember ? either by text or phone call? casey telling tony that taking care of caylee is like working a 8 hr shift. something to that effect?

I remember this
Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
 mission accomplished.

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausing than working a twelve hour event.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “She’s coming back from Tampa. Her sister is getting married this weekeend.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Yeah, I just called her. She’s on I-4. Good, so tha’s a plus. That it is.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “So is she willing to get the offspring?”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Let’s, hey let’s (unintelligible) right now when it is as good as it has been. I need it, I uh, I told you I need a routine. But it’s not my main concern for seeing you,”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Once in three weeks is a tease.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Come over and I’ll cook.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“How? You want me to bring the little snot head?”

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 05, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?

IMHO, her frustration was because her main goal that day was to manipulate her parents into getting her bailed out by any means necessary & she wasnt getting her way nor was the focus on her solely.   When she refers to the reward money for Caylee as enough for her bond, that motive becomes very clear.

Yeah--I agree--she thought she was going to get right out real quick and she's totally furious.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/experts-say-casey-anthony-up-against-meticulous-case-from-prosecutors-wild-defense-theory/2011/06/05/AGo7oXJH_story.html

Experts say Casey Anthony up against meticulous case from prosecutors, wild defense theory
By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, June 5, 9:54 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. — Legal experts say prosecutors’ meticulous murder case against Casey Anthony so far, along with the woman’s sensational claims that her father covered up her daughter’s death after the 2-year-old drowned, could make it difficult to avoid a conviction.

Saturday ended the second week of testimony in Anthony’s murder trial, and prosecutors say it also marks roughly the halfway point of their case. Prosecutors are trying to prove that the single mother, then 22, suffocated her daughter Caylee by placing duct tape over the girl’s mouth and then dumped her body in the woods near her parents’ home.

It’s a high-profile case that has demanded a methodical approach from a prosecution team with more than 70 years of combined experience — in part because, if convicted, Anthony could become only the fourth woman added to Florida’s current roster of 397 death row inmates.

Meanwhile, defense attorneys introduced a wild theory during opening statements, saying that the toddler accidently drowned on June 15, 2008, in her grandparents’ swimming pool and that grandfather George Anthony helped dispose of her body. They also claimed he molested Casey when she was a child, leaving her emotionally scarred.

Even without a clear motive established for why Casey Anthony, now 25, might have killed her daughter, some court watchers said those defense arguments may be overshadowing any deficiencies in the prosecution’s case.

“I believe they have almost relieved the state of their burden of proof by making such strong assertions in opening statements,” said Karin Moore, a professor at Florida A&M University’s College of Law. “They are going to have to prove it now. It is going to be a difficult task for them.”
 ::snipping2::

So far the prosecutor has been able to back up claims in her opening statements.  So far Jose Baez has not.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 05, 2011, 01:19:56 PM
Forgot my manners-I'm sorry!  Good morning, everyone!  Reading back and jumping in.  Can you tell? LOL  Thinking about Dr. G's definitive statement here.  Strictly my opinion here, but  I thin she's telling us there were no death banded hairs in the hair mat attached to the tape.  If there are no death banded hairs whatsoever, statistically speaking, that could conclusively and accurately prove the duct tape was placed there prior to decomposition (the early 1-8 hours of decomposition).  What do you think?

That's what I'm thinking also, but my mind is now a seive!!!!!!!! lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 01:20:17 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

Yes Sunny Thank You for retrieving these emails.

There are actually three emails there..and the use immunity was extended past the original date per Baez request.

At the very bottom of the doc is the last email that extended to September 3. 

Either he could not convince her to talk..or he was slow and late with everything even at that early phase in this case.

 By the third email..which was the extension until Sept 3 she was in the process of being bailed out by Padilla..so that may have come into play..she and Jose thinking if she was getting out that she didn't need the use immunity anylonger....but  you are correct he is the one that initiated that discussion with Linda.

I always thought that Baez was more then likely an attorney who was not in it to argue cases in court, but more of an attorney who just helped people plea to lesser charges and then went on his way with a few more bucks in his wallet.  Evidently Casey never had any intention of pleaing to anything..use immunity or not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
snip
Tamikosmom

 I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash.


...................................................................
How do you do that without the person knowing?
You can tell I have no experience this this matter... ::MonkeyEek::

IIRC Amy had gone to bed that night and my guess is she put it on a washcloth or something and put it over her nose and mouth. It only takes a few seconds for them to be rendered unconscious. Many years ago for childbirth and some surgeries they would use a thing which looked like a small stainer you use in a kitchen with a piece of cloth in it and put that over the nose and "out they went"...........They would do one drop at a time on that cloth........Of course that was before they realized how dangerous it was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monkey King on June 05, 2011, 01:21:38 PM
http://media.photobucket.com/image/defense%20casey/cayleecross/CindyltrtoKCpg88Josenotgiveltrsanym.jpg?o=90

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/CindyltrtoKCpg88Josenotgiveltrsanym.jpg)

Casey Anthony FL Statute violations

Cindy Anthony letter to INMATE Anthony saying that Baez cannot give or read letters from the family to the INMATE - dated Sept 1, 2009. The jail posted a sign "ATTORNEYS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO CONVEY TO AN INMATE ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION OF A PERSONAL NATURE." Defense Attorney Baez has committed a third degree felony by passing letters to and from INMATE Anthony's family to the INMATE secretly.... The INMATE wrote that this was being done in letters she wrote to a fellow inmate; Lee Anthony sent texts to his parents saying Baez was doing this; Atty Conway said on national tv that Baez was doing this.... Cindy Anthony told Good Morning America, June 15, 2010, that she gave INMATE Anthony a card at the courthouse, which is a third degree felony in Florida. Florida Statute Title XLVII, Chapter 944, 944.47 (1)(a) 1 - by introducing this item of "written ... communication ....except through regular channels as authorized by the officer in charge of the correctional institution...."...... 944.47 6.(b) "It is unlawful to transmit or attempt to transmit to, or cause or attempt to cause to be transmitted to or received by, any inmate .....at any place which is outside the grounds of such institution, except through regular channels ...." excerpt from what Cindy said: "In a rare spontaneous meeting during a court recess in March, Cindy said she was able to give Casey a Mother's Day card."........ ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 01:22:51 PM
Bringing up Caylee's memorial service made me think of something. I was just talking about technology changing everyday, getting better & better, more precise. Casey was 100% against her parents cremating Caylee. Well maybe they cremated her bc they know technology is only moving up in the world, so something that may not be found right now could be found 20 years from now, however only 1 thing could prevent any further testing of the complete remains found...and that would be cremation. I think they knew their daughter murdered their granddaughter but were afraid of losing their daughter to the dp, so they had Caylee cremated against her mother's will.

Most likely was their motivation but I do not believe Casey was against it as much as her attorney felt it was a good idea for her to express she was because it would be in her favor to object.  IMHO, it seems obvious that Casey & Bozo planned to throw her parents under the bus by all means necessary & beyond.  When she was bailed out and we witnessed her going to her attorney's office to spend the entire day daily, I found that extremely unethical & a direct attempt to cut her parents off from any discussions regarding her defense.  He used them to facilitate the conditions of her bond, elicited information from them & only informed them of things to ascertain same and/or use against them later on.  Bozo displayed this overkill "dont talk to anyone" even earlier when he demanded no one speak to her outside his presence, including when the Padilla crew came to town.   He's a snake and his client is venomous.

Capp, who do you think guided Casey in her Diary of Days...or do you think she came up with that on her own? It's almost  as if a lawyer helped her. Are we certain that Casey honestly got Hoser's name from an inmate or 2? If she lies about everything else, then why tell the truth about how she got her lawyer? I was on WS when Smolea, Sleuther on the Side & I were taking apart the one bj picture. Smolea's arrow points totally lined up with moles, pock marks, indents, etc. Some people don't believe it was Casey, I definitely believe it's her. So, could she have known Hoser from a previous time & just played the media & her family about how she got his name? She never gave names of the people that suggested him, right? So why would she trust an inmate or somebody going to court about Hoser instead of trusting her family or friends to make a better suggestion as far as an attorney is concerned? Doesn't make sense. 


That is ALL CASEY and only Casey.   ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/THEHEARTSTICKER2original.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/2-11-09heart.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 01:31:37 PM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation



If they bothered to listen to the tapes of the Universal conversation (which no one seems to have done throughout this trial) She was told more than once she was free to leave and asked if she knew wanted to help them.

Yes..the whole point was the child was kidnapped and she was supposedly an employee of Universal herself .  She had taken them on this wild ride because they were interested in seeing where she worked,  Sawgrass where she left Caylee..all the facts that could help them locate her kidnapped child in the arms of Zenaida G the Nanny.

She was freely giving this info and embellishing this tale as she went along.

She was not under arrest at that point and she could have refused to go with them..she could have said no I don't think I'll ride along ..here are the addresses..but she didn't do that.  She could have left the room at anytime and shut up at anytime..she didn't do that.   She could have even asked for a lawyer..she didn't do that..she thinks she smarter then everyone else so why bother.

They had no reason to arrest her at that particular point..she was supposed to be the distraught mother of a kidnapped 3 year old....because she didn't act like one adn lied..then she got arrested.  But mother's of kidnapped children do not normally retain counsel simply to talk to the LE about their missing children..nor does LE have to make the assumption that they should. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 01:32:01 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



You could be right.

Nevertheless ... communication records indicate that Casey was on her computer up to one hour prior to the flurry of unsuccessful cell phone attempts to contact her parents.

Where was Caylee?

Janet



The flurry of cell phone calls attempting to contact her parents on the afternoon of June 16th convince me that Caylee's death was unintentional.  Nevertheless ... I believe Caylee's demise was not an accident ... it was a result of Casey's illegal wrongdoing (chloroform?).

Casey would not currently be on trial with a death penalty charge hanging over her head if there was no wrongdoing involved ... if her daughter's demise was accidental.  IMO

Off to church.

Later, Janet
10:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Ono on June 05, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
It was curious that right after Lippman appeared [ on Jeanine Pirro's ], Leonard Padilla was up next---lol---didn't we hear that Lippman had written a "cease & desist" letter to Leonard?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
Have to run, real life calling. Will bbl. Blonde & Zoomom, thx for being so fast with your links. Capp, can't get rid of the itch that somebody guided Casey in her Diary of Days, but you're prob right & it's ALL her idiotic selfish self. Janet, I'm trying to remember about the sticker residue, I think after examination it degraded or someting? I forget. Red, good article.

Found a quick link with interesting info, lots of links to look through, also search back issues as it's pretty infhormative. Also, for those people that may not have gone to college for scientific studies, this site looks like it spells it out easier for those finding forensics harder to understand.

http://www2.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july2000/deedric1.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 05, 2011, 01:42:14 PM
The hair was 8 or 9 inches long. Ever see Lee with hair that long ?
..
I think Bozo is going to go after Cindy. He tried to yesterday with the hairbrush she gave to LE but got shut down. She was asked for a hairbrush that only Caylee used, she gave one that KC and Cayle used. Who would do that ? In Mrs. Clean's house, the hairbrush only had one hair.   
..


He can't, they said 9'' long untreated hair. Cindy's hair is bleached = treated
Casey hair was treated

I meant the amount of cleaning, the lies the Ants told to LE and the media.
I still think like some others that this new Cindy is an act. Where is the Cindy and George that we came to hate during John Morgan's depo ? Where is the Cindy with the hammer and George with the hose ? They didn't have a complete personality change. They are still going to lie or just leave things out. What about the big fight ? Cindy said that on the evening of the 15th, Casey came home, they looked at the video from Mount Dora and it was lovely or something like that. Didn't Casey's cell records show that she was driving around later that night and talking to Tony L for hours ?  She spoke to Jesse on the 16th or the 17th and told him that her mother wanted her out of the house. Yep, they had a lovely time that Sunday night.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 01:43:19 PM
Thinking things through here. Theoretically speaking, if George handled the body and so did Kronk in disposing of it (per the defense), then where are the loose hairs/dead skin cells/sweat droplets/fingerprints from George and Kronk on or in close proximity to a single piece of evidence?  How do they explain the complete lack of DNA evidence from either of their "accomplices"?  We are constantly shedding dead skin cells 24/7 and leaving them behind (think of Linus traveling in a dust cloud on Charlie Brown).  The only difference is that the dead skin cells are minute.  We're talking FL heat here, carrying a bloated human package, throwing said package into woods, etc.-there would be sweat (among other things).  This would, in no way, be a "clean" event.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 01:45:41 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

Wasn't the date she originally told authorities June 6th? Or am I thinking of something else?   ::boxingcasey2::

The opening statement admits she "accidentally" died  on the 16th

Yes I know,  but when her mother called the police to say Caylee was missing I could've sworn Casey said something about June 6th

But they have video's taken of Caylee and her Great-Grandpa at the nursing home where he lived dated June 15th.. And by all accounts that is accurate..and truly I believe that after the evening of June 15th no one, othter then Casey ever saw Caylee alive again.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 01:50:25 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys!
  I am going to reserve all judgement on the duct tape until Dr G testifies. I cannot believe that it can be determined by any scientific means whether it was put on ante or post mortem until she explains it. I will believe whatever she testifies to.
  As far as the baking soda in the trash bag, I believe it was a container of Arm and Hammer laundry detergent. I will have to go back and look.
  KC will be convicted ans recieve the death sentence because as much as there is a Northeast influence here in Florida, it is still very conservative. It is apparent Bobo did zero prep and research for this trial other than looking for a clue on TV as a spinmeister. I hope he gets everything he deserves. KC should be convicted for her act and based on evidence, not because her attorney is self serving and sucks.  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation



If they bothered to listen to the tapes of the Universal conversation (which no one seems to have done throughout this trial) She was told more than once she was free to leave and asked if she knew wanted to help them.

Yes..the whole point was the child was kidnapped and she was supposedly an employee of Universal herself .  She had taken them on this wild ride because they were interested in seeing where she worked,  Sawgrass where she left Caylee..all the facts that could help them locate her kidnapped child in the arms of Zenaida G the Nanny.

She was freely giving this info and embellishing this tale as she went along.

She was not under arrest at that point and she could have refused to go with them..she could have said no I don't think I'll ride along ..here are the addresses..but she didn't do that.  She could have left the room at anytime and shut up at anytime..she didn't do that.   She could have even asked for a lawyer..she didn't do that..she thinks she smarter then everyone else so why bother.

They had no reason to arrest her at that particular point..she was supposed to be the distraught mother of a kidnapped 3 year old....because she didn't act like one adn lied..then she got arrested.  But mother's of kidnapped children do not normally retain counsel simply to talk to the LE about their missing children..nor does LE have to make the assumption that they should. 

Everytime you guys post I just can't step away bc I always seem to agree with you & Turbo. It's really bugging me that just bc some of these azzes are anti dp, they seem to try discrediting how a detective does their work by pulling crap like this. It's ridiculous. She was NOT under arrest. People like Geraldo need to shut up & just concentrate on his marriage. What # is he on? Maybe the media ho is trying to pull in more viewers to cover all his friggin alimony payments. Jerk.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 01:51:18 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 01:54:26 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 01:57:30 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..

me too, drive by posting, love it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 01:57:48 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



Nope Blonde I always read your posts..... ::MonkeyAngel::
I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 01:58:31 PM
Crap, sry I messed that last post up.....
 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 01:58:59 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..

LOL, I don't mean to sound pissy, and I know I am guilty of not having links.  I do not know how in the world people keep all the info organized and can find it so fast.  I just remember the detergent, and also I spent quite a bit of time reading over the info on the heart sticker and I am pretty sure I am remembering it right.  The one that is pictured here is a completely different sticker.  There was only RESIDUE on the duct tape on Caylee's head....and it was too hard to get a picture of and was destroyed during testing, so there is only the investigator's word for it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 01:59:04 PM
I suspect Bobo knew around the time he either started selling pictures or wouldnt let the parents visit


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 01:59:41 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?

Was that wishful thinking??      ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:01:03 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 02:02:28 PM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


They have it in evidence?


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/4271117.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickeralbumfoundincaseyanthonyroom2-18-09.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/envelopeheartsticker.jpg)

No that is a completely different sticker found at the scene.  All that was on the duct tape was residue, as though a sticker had been there.  IIRC, no sticker at all, just the residue, which was impossible to catch on film, and as the tape was tested, it disappeared.

I hurried to log back on bc I saw your last post. Sorry totally unintentional. I agree wi you skmom & I remember the residue testing just as you do. I thought they looked for a sticker backing (in Casey's crafts) that either matched the sticker found at the remains site or they looked for another sticker in her crafts that matched the actual residue shape. I forget but I believe it had something to do with why forensics went through her craft supplies & pictures.

Ok, seriously have to run now. Xox.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 02:03:46 PM
Do you guys remember the Zeneida Gonzales that had her house or office broken into? I think she lived in Cocoa or near there. She lived a straight shot down the Beeline if I remember right. When was her burglary? I think computers & a laptop were stolen. Wasn't this Zenaida a counselor or something? Did she also have connections to the counselor Cindy was seeing? How ironic is it that this counselor of Cindy's talked with Cindy about tough love & taking custody of Caylee, then Caylee is killed? How ironic would it be if this Zenaida actually had connections to the counselor that Cindy saw?

Also, when was Nichole Ganguzza's murder in JBP? Was it the weekend of the 9th?

Hey Titch.  ::HelloKitty:: I remember the talk of all those things.Here are some older links.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432443/pg1
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/recovered.cfm?id=56440
http://brevardcounty.momslikeme.com/members/JournalActions.aspx?g=444332&m=603374


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 02:05:19 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Thanks, Titch, I think I am just feeling the effects of getting up at 4 am all week.  See you all later!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:13:35 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: BabsKats on June 05, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.
Turbo, wasn't that a "Leonard Padilla moment" on NG or some such that he made the statement about KC being seen on video in a hotel parking lot?  Seems to me he never proved it was actually her - been so long now.  May even been a video but don't remember it being verified that it was KC.  Or perhaps I'm having another one of those "senior moments".............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
google is your friend.. one of my favorite sayings
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/01/22/Heart-sticker-found-near/1232639934.html
Legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says he's not sure what to make of investigators' belief that a heart sticker was intentionally stuck onto the duct tape around Caylee's mouth. When investigators processed the duct tape at an FBI lab in Quantico, Va., they noticed the residue of a heart-shaped sticker on it. The sticker was later found near where the toddler's remains were discovered


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 02:16:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/05/experts-casey-anthony-defense-team-faces-uphill-battle/?test=latestnews

Experts: Casey Anthony Defense Team Faces Uphill Battle

Published June 05, 2011

| Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Legal experts say prosecutors' meticulous murder case against Casey Anthony so far, along with the woman's sensational claims that her father covered up her daughter's death after the 2-year-old drowned, could make it difficult to avoid a conviction.

Saturday ended the second week of testimony in Anthony's murder trial, and prosecutors say it also marks roughly the halfway point of their case. Prosecutors are trying to prove that the single mother, then 22, suffocated her daughter Caylee by placing duct tape over the girl's mouth and then dumped her body in the woods near her parents' home.

It's a high-profile case that has demanded a methodical approach from a prosecution team with more than 70 years of combined experience -- in part because, if convicted, Anthony could become only the fourth woman added to Florida's current roster of 397 death row inmates.
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 05, 2011, 02:17:47 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......
Sheer sheep ? I just have a ton of laundry to do.
..
I will also take whatever Dr. G says as the gospel. There are some things she can't state to for certainty as to COD, but the manner was homicide, not George found the baby drowned and Cindy helped and George tried to pin it on Casey and Kronk stole the body and hid it and retrieved it when he did because he needed to pay a car repair bill.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 17, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet




Janet,

I don't have the documentation on the trash bag from the trunk of the car at the tow yard..but that is where it was found.   Either George  or the tow yard manager stated in testimony he could see the Arm & Hammer container through the trash bag.  He was asked if he didn't open the bag up how he knew..by the orange color of the container and the trash bag being somewhat transparent.  I am not sure if it was a box of Arm and Hammer or it was a container of Arm & Hammer laundry detergent.  The laundry detergent would make more sense to me if she had to clean up body fluids then just sprinkling  a box of baking soda in the trunk..but Casey is an odd duck.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:19:24 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18529616/detail.html (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18529616/detail.html)
When investigators processed the duct tape at an FBI lab in Quantico, Va., they noticed the residue of a heart-shaped sticker on it. The sticker was later found near where the toddler's remains were discovered

Now I have no concern about the sticker evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 02:23:25 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

NO
Janet
Casey looked up how to make chloroform on her computer i had all of this saved

Along with instructions on how to make chloroform at home, also listed are some important considerations to bear in mind while handling this compound and laboratory chemicals. Here's how to make chloroform at
home.

((edit to remove recipe for making it - I'd hate to think someone wanting to kill someone googled and found it at SM))

SEE BBM....hmmmm  You can get pure acetone nail polish remover
(http://www.massagewarehouse.com/assets/item/regular/2830626.jpg)
Pure Acetone Polish Remover, 16 Oz
http://www.massagewarehouse.com/products/pure-acetone-polish-remover/283-0626-08/?sourcecode=MWNEXTAG


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 02:27:59 PM
THE STICKER

Horrifying New Details Emerge in Caylee Anthony Case
By Oliver Jones
Wednesday January 21, 2009 03:05 PM EST


With details that are both graphic and heartbreaking, new court documents released Wednesday reveal that the body of toddler Caylee Anthony was bound by duct tape that had a heart-shaped sticker placed on it

<snipped>
 
The remains were recovered by the Orange County Sheriff's department near Caylee's Orlando-area home on Dec. 11. FBI investigators also found residue that "appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart-shaped sticker," sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich is quoted as saying in the documents.
 
Documents also state that investigators seized sticker books and scrapbook material from Caylee's home, along with other toys that matched the one found with her body.
 
"It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally," Melich is quoted as saying.
 
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20253947,00.html


I know this, but they cannot show this article to the jury to prove there was a sticker there.  it has to be documented somewhere, and according to the post above, there was no sticker.  I am looking for the document in the document dump where it says a few people saw it and tried to get photos of it.


They have it in evidence?


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/4271117.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickeralbumfoundincaseyanthonyroom2-18-09.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/envelopeheartsticker.jpg)

I think that top picture is a piece of cardboard not duct tape, but I could be wrong.  I remember that the duct tape had what somebody in the lab thougth was heart sticker residue but they ruined it doing testing on it, so it was not able to be kept for evidence.  Who knows, I guess we will find out. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: wreck on June 05, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......
Same sticker -- residue found by FBI lab on the duct tape -- the actual sticker was found NEAR her reamains after the testing is my understanding.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/THEHEARTSTICKER2original.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/2-11-09heart.jpg)

Thanks Blonde.

The sticker in the pic is from parts of a photo mat found at the recovery site of Caylee's little body.

I know earlier you posted stickers they found from the home that are heart shaped..just not exactly like these..but goes to show she went through a phase of using all sorts of heart shaped stickers.

Somewhere in the past I have seen another photo of evidence gathered at the house and it included a sheet of the exact same heart shaped stickers...with several missing from the sheet.

Does anyone have that phot of those stickers?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:32:14 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......
Same sticker -- residue found by FBI lab on the duct tape -- the actual sticker was found NEAR her reamains after the testing is my understanding.
Thanks wreck! I googled it and posted the links.. they are 1 page back.
A sticker wasfound near her remains


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 05, 2011, 02:33:42 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

No way  ::HelloKitty:: I noticed since the trial started, 85% of my post seem invisible too..but, I think the normal trial threads are running so past that it's just much different then when we normally post. {{{HUGS}}}


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 02:36:22 PM



http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1198&sid=d66e1be594710d30ccf34dc58e676fbe&start=1350

found this posted there:

Richard Hornsby, Orlando, FL attorney, will be Valhall's guest on The Hinky Meter - Ventrilo on Sunday at 6 p.m. We will be able to ask questions. Check the details out here:

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1222&p=109811#p109811
The Hinky Meter - Special Ventrilo Q & A Session 06/05/11 at 6 pm ET








Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 02:39:01 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Akmom, mine go unanswered many times too, but I think it is just the pure quantity of posts, plus I am a nobody, not part of any law office, or blog writer, etc., so my knowledge is just what I remember and my feelings.  I have no sources or backup information.  Don't take it personally, I do not believe it is personal at all.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 02:40:46 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 02:41:11 PM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation



If they bothered to listen to the tapes of the Universal conversation (which no one seems to have done throughout this trial) She was told more than once she was free to leave and asked if she knew wanted to help them.

Yes..the whole point was the child was kidnapped and she was supposedly an employee of Universal herself .  She had taken them on this wild ride because they were interested in seeing where she worked,  Sawgrass where she left Caylee..all the facts that could help them locate her kidnapped child in the arms of Zenaida G the Nanny.

She was freely giving this info and embellishing this tale as she went along.

She was not under arrest at that point and she could have refused to go with them..she could have said no I don't think I'll ride along ..here are the addresses..but she didn't do that.  She could have left the room at anytime and shut up at anytime..she didn't do that.   She could have even asked for a lawyer..she didn't do that..she thinks she smarter then everyone else so why bother.

They had no reason to arrest her at that particular point..she was supposed to be the distraught mother of a kidnapped 3 year old....because she didn't act like one adn lied..then she got arrested.  But mother's of kidnapped children do not normally retain counsel simply to talk to the LE about their missing children..nor does LE have to make the assumption that they should. 

Everytime you guys post I just can't step away bc I always seem to agree with you & Turbo. It's really bugging me that just bc some of these azzes are anti dp, they seem to try discrediting how a detective does their work by pulling crap like this. It's ridiculous. She was NOT under arrest. People like Geraldo need to shut up & just concentrate on his marriage. What # is he on? Maybe the media ho is trying to pull in more viewers to cover all his friggin alimony payments. Jerk.

No worries though from me about the talking heads..as long as you keep in mind this is how they make their living..off of sensationalizing stories and adding their own twist.

The beauty of our legal system and the sequester of the jury mean that none of the talking heads know how the jury is thinking and none of the jury knows what the talking heads are saying.   Therefore the talking heads opinions really mean very little in the entire scheme of the trial.

It is supposed to be the color commentary of the days testimony..but it turns into the ego stroking opinions of some of these people.  I chalk it up to people who do their job poorly, but because they draw an audience = commercial time $$$, they get to keep their jobs. 

Evidently having a staff to help them fact check is not one of the perks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
http://www.zimbio.com/Cindy+Anthony/articles/113/Lifetime+TV+want+Anthony+profit+Caylee+disappearance


Why would Lifetime TV want the Anthony’s to profit from Caylee’s disappearance/murder?
Report Email Written by mylifeofcrime on Oct-2-08 11:26am
From:  mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: islandmonkey on June 05, 2011, 02:44:13 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.
Turbo, wasn't that a "Leonard Padilla moment" on NG or some such that he made the statement about KC being seen on video in a hotel parking lot?  Seems to me he never proved it was actually her - been so long now.  May even been a video but don't remember it being verified that it was KC.  Or perhaps I'm having another one of those "senior moments".............
That was my recollection too, but I could have missed something....I will never understand how anyone can take LP seriously, after all I so clearly remember him on ALL the shows before he actually bailed her out but it was in the works and his stmt "all she needs is a shower and to get her nails done and she will tell us who has the baby..not verbatim"...we all knew she was dead at that point and IIRC were stunned that anyone with any experience whatsoever in dealing with criminals could be so naive. Then the JB Park fiasco...he was only in this for his 15 minutes and when he called ahead to tell the news stations about his arrival time at the airport sealed that for me anyway. He needs to go back in whatever hole he slithered out of permanently.

Ok, out to enjoy the day at the beach.... ::HelloKitty:: have a great day everyone


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 02:44:17 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
I'm ignored also except by posters who I worked with on the Natalee Holloway case so don't feel bad I don't ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Did someone say something?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 02:49:01 PM
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/george-anbd-cindy-anthony-united/

she talks of the lifetime payout.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cadillac on June 05, 2011, 02:49:06 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

I believe you are right on that. I think the chloroform was to kill her parents also. I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash. How she intended to use it on her parents, I am not sure, but I will always believe she was going to do that soon because she kept telling everyone she was getting their house.
She used chloroform on Amy??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..

LOL, I don't mean to sound pissy, and I know I am guilty of not having links.  I do not know how in the world people keep all the info organized and can find it so fast.  I just remember the detergent, and also I spent quite a bit of time reading over the info on the heart sticker and I am pretty sure I am remembering it right.  The one that is pictured here is a completely different sticker.  There was only RESIDUE on the duct tape on Caylee's head....and it was too hard to get a picture of and was destroyed during testing, so there is only the investigator's word for it.

Hi AKMOM!

I really thought that there was one more picture from the stuff taken from the home that showed a sheet of those red heart stickers that were puffy..like the one found on the phto mat at the scene of Caylee's disposal.  That one will be allowed into evidence and I think Baez tried to keep that out knowing it would tie to the testimony of the FBI lab  person that saw the residue in a heart shape on the duct tape.

But I do not have that pic with the puffy hearts on a sheet with a few or several missing..and some still intact...so maybe I dreamt that..it's been a long 3 years.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 02:50:06 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 17, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet




Janet,

I don't have the documentation on the trash bag from the trunk of the car at the tow yard..but that is where it was found.   Either George  or the tow yard manager stated in testimony he could see the Arm & Hammer container through the trash bag.  He was asked if he didn't open the bag up how he knew..by the orange color of the container and the trash bag being somewhat transparent.  I am not sure if it was a box of Arm and Hammer or it was a container of Arm & Hammer laundry detergent.  The laundry detergent would make more sense to me if she had to clean up body fluids then just sprinkling  a box of baking soda in the trunk..but Casey is an odd duck.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 02:54:16 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???
::MonkeyHaHa:: I see you all the time. I usually post , ramble on, check the dryer, run to publix,etc. read some more and driveby post again..

LOL, I don't mean to sound pissy, and I know I am guilty of not having links.  I do not know how in the world people keep all the info organized and can find it so fast.  I just remember the detergent, and also I spent quite a bit of time reading over the info on the heart sticker and I am pretty sure I am remembering it right.  The one that is pictured here is a completely different sticker.  There was only RESIDUE on the duct tape on Caylee's head....and it was too hard to get a picture of and was destroyed during testing, so there is only the investigator's word for it.

Hi AKMOM!

I really thought that there was one more picture from the stuff taken from the home that showed a sheet of those red heart stickers that were puffy..like the one found on the phto mat at the scene of Caylee's disposal.  That one will be allowed into evidence and I think Baez tried to keep that out knowing it would tie to the testimony of the FBI lab  person that saw the residue in a heart shape on the duct tape.

But I do not have that pic with the puffy hearts on a sheet with a few or several missing..and some still intact...so maybe I dreamt that..it's been a long 3 years.

This is the one on the duck tape IMO
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/4271117.jpg)

This is a empty one in her trash
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickerheart.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 02:55:44 PM
YAY Blonde.. Thats the picture..btw. I see you all the time too  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 02:57:37 PM
Akmom and Zoomomology and anybody else who wonders if you're invisible: Just so you know, I pretty much read every post- unless it's has a lot of   ***@***@@ words.   LOL! Probably like most posters, I'm reading between other necessities of life or catching up before bed. By the time I usually get here, I'm either silently agreeing, don't have enough facts to comment, or it's already been established one way or the other.   If I don't know about something, I'm either researching it or I don't comment.  No need to muddy the waters further, IMO.  ::MonkeyWink:: Sometimes my posts go undiscussed too.  There's just so much to wade through, so many lies, so many depos, so many players to keep track of (many imaginary), so many court hours (and side bars and recesses ::MonkeyEek::), so much commentary (Bill Schaeffer, Dr. Lillian Glass, Peter Hyatt, Blink on Clime, etc.), tons of video/pics, and literally, thousands of posts each day. Believe me, you're not invisible by any means.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 02:57:55 PM
Didn't they find the remnants of the sticker near Caylee's remains?
It has been so long now....................

No, 2 different stickers.  All that was on that piece of duct tape was RESIDUE.  If I had time I would go looking for it, but I have to weed the garden and shear sheep, unless I want to miss the trial this next week......
Sheer sheep ? I just have a ton of laundry to do.
..
I will also take whatever Dr. G says as the gospel. There are some things she can't state to for certainty as to COD, but the manner was homicide, not George found the baby drowned and Cindy helped and George tried to pin it on Casey and Kronk stole the body and hid it and retrieved it when he did because he needed to pay a car repair bill.

ITA

Can't wait to see and hear Dr G on the stand.

I loved it in her depo when Morgan asked her: and how did the mandible get there on that position?

Dr G: God put it there. 

That shut the old fool up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 03:04:07 PM
Well said ISpy
Fox has a replay of Judge Pirro's show from last night on right now


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 03:07:45 PM
Dr Baden should hang it up..ditto for Dr Spitz


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 03:09:33 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

NO
Janet
Casey looked up how to make chloroform on her computer i had all of this saved

Along with instructions on how to make chloroform at home, also listed are some important considerations to bear in mind while handling this compound and laboratory chemicals. Here's how to make chloroform at
home.

((edit to remove recipe for making it - I'd hate to think someone wanting to kill someone googled and found it at SM))

SEE BBM....hmmmm  You can get pure acetone nail polish remover
(http://www.massagewarehouse.com/assets/item/regular/2830626.jpg)
Pure Acetone Polish Remover, 16 Oz
http://www.massagewarehouse.com/products/pure-acetone-polish-remover/283-0626-08/?sourcecode=MWNEXTAG
I'm a licensed hairdresser you can also buy pure acetone at walmart way cheaper then our beauty supply house I do it all of the time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 03:13:14 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/THEHEARTSTICKER2original.jpg)

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/2-11-09heart.jpg)

Thanks Blonde.

The sticker in the pic is from parts of a photo mat found at the recovery site of Caylee's little body.

I know earlier you posted stickers they found from the home that are heart shaped..just not exactly like these..but goes to show she went through a phase of using all sorts of heart shaped stickers.

Somewhere in the past I have seen another photo of evidence gathered at the house and it included a sheet of the exact same heart shaped stickers...with several missing from the sheet.

Does anyone have that phot of those stickers?
Just these found at the Anthony home
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/stickeralbumfoundincaseyanthonyroom2-18-09.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 03:14:01 PM
I buy acetone at the grocery store in the nail polish remover section.

I have no doubt Casey made her own chloroform , or at least tried.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ISpy on June 05, 2011, 03:14:56 PM
One last post and I'm outta here for the day. Several pages back a kind monkey posted Dr. G's summary report.  She stated tape affixed to the maxible (the upper bone of the jaw set, running from ear to ear, holds the top set of teeth).  On this adult, that definitely covers the nose.  We've already established from the stages of decomp that the skin tightens, bloats, and then breaks down...yet the duct tape remained wound tightly enough to essentially cement the mandible in place, as well as capture the hair mass throughout insect and animal activity, bone dispersal, and flooding.  Cause of death?  Not a problem. BBL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
One last post and I'm outta here for the day. Several pages back a kind monkey posted Dr. G's summary report.  She stated tape affixed to the maxible (the upper bone of the jaw set, running from ear to ear, holds the top set of teeth).  On this adult, that definitely covers the nose.  We've already established from the stages of decomp that the skin tightens, bloats, and then breaks down...yet the duct tape remained wound tightly enough to essentially cement the mandible in place, as well as capture the hair mass throughout insect and animal activity, bone dispersal, and flooding.  Cause of death?  Not a problem. BBL

This?
Page 1 of the autopsy report

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5777658681_c0ff12bd3a_o.jpg)

Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: darla on June 05, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guests.

I am way back on page 51 but am going to jump ahead. I can explain a little about the death band on the hair. The death band is mostly formed of the outerlayer of skin on the scalp. As that tissue starts to decompose and a hair is either pulled out or falls out that little bit of skin is left around the hair. From what I understand that is what disentigrates to form the death band. The hair mat that was attached to the duct tape had been out in the elements for almost 6 months. From Dr. G's autopsy report there was absolutely no soft tissue left left anywhere on the remains. The tissue around the hair roots would have been completely eaten away or disentigrated by the time the remains were found. My understanding is the band would be gone in that amount of time. If I am wrong please correct me. Also the autopsy report states that the tape was applied before Decomp started, nothing about it being placed before death, just before decomp.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
Dr G writes the duct tape was applied prior to decompostion.. not prior to death. Anything written about the duct tape applied antemortem? Even though I believe she may have suffocated her with the duct tape, it will be hard to prove.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 03:26:53 PM
Thank you Darla!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Mom of Five on June 05, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
It will be interesting to see if Casey Anthony's conference room interrogation at Universal will be discussed on HLN and elsewhere on Monday.

As most of you know the door was unlocked during the intense interrogation. So in some ways her freedom of movement was not as limited as it would have been in a locked police car.

Should she have been Mirandized? This issue is beginning to gain a little traction as a possible appellate issue.

In other words could a case be made on appeal that this met the standard of custodial interrogation and Casey should have been Mirandized. In United States criminal law, a custodial interrogation (or, generally, custodial situation) is a situation in which the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained, even if she is not under arrest.

It could be argued that the ultimate inquiry is whether a normal, reasonable person (not just Casey) would feel free to end the encounter with law enforcement and leave the scene.

IMO it seems like a close call and that is why I would like to hear some attorneys weigh in. One very successful appellate attorney already has. Alan Dershowitz was on Fox News on Saturday stating that the chances for a successful appeal appear to be very good. Hmmm.

More on custodial interrogation at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodial_interrogation






And, IMO, appelate lawyers are just like ambulance chasers. 
[/quote

When law enforcement was questioning Casey at Universal it was regarding her missing child. She was not at the time under suspicion of a crime, technically. She should have been helping to locate her child and she kept telling LE that was what she was doing. They also continually asked her if she was there helping because she wanted to be and she said that she was. At no time did she say that she no longer wanted to speak to them or help them anymore. I don't think there is any way an appeals lawyer will be able to prove that she should have been mirandized sooner. They would have to prove that she was under suspicion of a crime and being questioned against her will as well as not feeling free to leave the scene.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.

I remember when reading that about a tooth depression, it made me sick because that meant she tried to chew her way out of the duct tape.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jesse on June 05, 2011, 03:34:24 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 03:38:38 PM
This defense shill (Baden) is annoying and the blond woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Scatty ... what network is this panel discussion taking place.  The hockey game (Stanley Cup) is where it is at in our home tonight but ... maybe a transcript will be posted that I could read later.

Janet


Fox News Channel

We do not get the Fox News Channel ... she I don't feel torn.  I will search for a transcript on the Fox website later.

Imagine!  This so-called "expert" has no clue in that there is no way that hair strand could belong to Lee.

Thanks again Scatty.

Janet

He is a "tainted expert," his wife is Linda K Baden who is still a consultant for the defense, reason she left was because she wasnt going to get paid  when Casey was declared indigent yet she is....hmmm   They are both full of crap, period.

BBM

I still say that in private the Baden's do buy into this new science evidence of the deathband..not on TV ..but in private. 

My reason:  Money or no money..If LKB thought for one minute she could win the point of disputing the deathband she would be there in a NY minute...this is groundbreaking science that will be used in trials going forward.  Since this is the first trial it has been used in it will set a precedant.  If she thought she could win objections to the science and credibility of that sceince against this deathband she would have been front and center.  Think of the publicity she would gain as the person that was able to show this was junk science.

Not showing her face, being on the phone in the background tells me she believes in this science and knows they have no leg to stand on in disputing the deathband theory.  It only appears in the hair of dead people..not all dead people..but only dead people.  Certainly Dr Baden is fully aware of this....but with wifey still being paid as a consultant one must not mess with the defense theroy of ...well what..the child's dead.. they know that.   Decomp in the trunk ..they know that.  They just don't like someone pointing out there was a dead body in Casey's car trunk..that's just too little too late. 

 

I thought it was just the first trial in "Florida" but that it's been used before? No? Btw, this is absolutely not junk science fir any of those out there that don't understand it. Think of it like this: technology changes everyday, for tge better, not for tge worse. Everything being learned is extra, going forward, not backward. When I was a kid, I thought it was a big deal to have a cordless phone with a 9 inch antenna on it lol! Now my kids all have cell phones, iTouch, computers, etc. Does technology ever go backward? No. Everything being done now is amazing. Genetics, DNA splicing & mapping, virus identification & treatments as well as bacterial diseases, yep forensics is damn interesting! 

Gypsy, I just found a link to the ruling you were referring to. Judge Perry is the first judge in our whole COUNTRY, not just Florida, to allow this method of evidence finding to be entered into trial. I think is has to do with the level of chloroform, not the postmortem banding?

 http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/04/major-casey-anthony-case-rulings-expected-anytime/

Quote
According to WFTV News, ”a research scientist, considered a pioneer in decomposition odor analysis, ran tests on air and carpeting in Casey Anthony’s car trunk. He found evidence of human decomposition and a massive amount of potentially deadly chloroform, more than could be caused by decomposition alone. 

Prosecutors say it’s further proof that Caylee’s body was in her mother’s trunk, but also evidence that could show how Caylee was murdered. If Judge Perry allows that evidence in, he would be the first judge in the country to do it.”

(There is also a link to the PDF doc at the site. I just love Judge Perry! I wanna smash a kiss right in the center of his sweet little forehead!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 03:40:44 PM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.

I remember when reading that about a tooth depression, it made me sick because that meant she tried to chew her way out of the duct tape.

Another piece of the puzzle that I didn't know of.
Wonder if Dr. G. will address this on the stand.
 ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 03:41:14 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?

In the beginning............I think that is why he isolated KC from her parents as soon as he could. I don't believe she didn't want to see her parents, because she enjoyed watching her mother in pain so much. I believe he knew it all along and knew what he was dealing with (psychopath) but also knew there was a lot of money to be made in this "game" and he wanted to be the recipient of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
I have been hunting around and the only mention I can find of a tooth impression refers to Ms horsetooth and perhaps using her teeth to rip it.. anyone have a link saying it was in the duct tape as Caylees?? It is frustrsting when things are thrown out there as facts with no link to back it up. We went around the track with the duct tape, hair, stickers and arm and hammer 'baking soda' that was detergent


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
The person whose testimony I am really interested in is Dom Casey.
Everyone's else's , thanks to  the Sunshine Laws, we have mostly see their statements, but I don't remember his. 

Taped transcript of Mr. Dominic Casey, Jan. 7, 2009:

click here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wesh.com%2Fdownload%2F2009%2F0219%2F18750716.pdf&rct=j&q=taped%20transcript%20of%20mr.%20dominic%20casey&ei=H9vrTbnMGsn10gGGtt2HAQ&usg=AFQjCNGIwJodki0VOJQlJx1Oc6q64F-AgA&cad=rja[/url)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Babybear on June 05, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
I buy acetone at the grocery store in the nail polish remover section.

I have no doubt Casey made her own chloroform , or at least tried.

I think she did too. Have we noticed any pictures of maybe Casey having acrylic nails? I used to get my nails done ALOT & always used acetone to take the acrylic off, it works better than regular glue remover but either way it helps to disintegrate the acrylic, makes it softer. If Casey got her nails done, she may have kept a supply. Walmart, Walgreens, heck anywhere sells semi pro manicure sets now, the acrylic mixture kind. Damn, how come we never thought of that?

If there's any investigators reading here, I sure hope you went through Casey's room thoroughly & considered a manicure kit (acrylic self made not press on) bc acetone would need to be used with it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 03:47:54 PM
I have been hunting around and the only mention I can find of a tooth impression refers to Ms horsetooth and perhaps using her teeth to rip it.. anyone have a link saying it was in the duct tape as Caylees?? It is frustrsting when things are thrown out there as facts with no link to back it up. We went around the track with the duct tape, hair, stickers and arm and hammer 'baking soda' that was detergent

gimme a few secs & I'll locate it for ya :-)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

"IF" that were true it might be an appeal factor, but if I am not mistaken the "story" that was told about that turned out to not be true at all. The "girlfriend" that was implicated IIRC did not even have access to the jail and was not really a "girlfriend."

I personally believe the man just had strong suspicions about where KC would have dumped her and followed up time after time because he wanted that baby to be found. I have a number of friends who live in Orlando area who spent countless hours searching for her body on their days off and in terrible conditions anytime they had who had no motive but to find her. It was not just him who was trying to connect the dots, but many people.

Most all the stories Padilla has told about all that are totally erroneous and I am not sure he should not be sued for telling much of it because I believe that is part of where bozo got his "tale tale" for court from.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
Sticker residue testimony allowed...yayyy!!!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/04/casey-anthony-judge-releases-crucial-rulings/

Quote
 Chief Judge Belvin Perry just issued rulings on crucial evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony.  Heart Sticker evidence will be allowed into the Casey Anthony murder trial.  

Canine Search & Alert evidence will be allowed into the murder trial.

Judge Perry will also allow the Death Hair Band evidence into the trial against Casey.

This is a major setback for the Casey Defense team.  Chief Judge Belvin Perry has yet to rule on the Decomposition Air Sample evidence and Chloroform evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 03:53:22 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 

I get ignored on a daily basis  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 04:01:16 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 04:01:58 PM
snip

Quote from: Blonde link=topic=10281.msg1378957#msg1378957
[/quote


Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)

The way I read it: was put on a living Caylee.
This duck tape was CLEARLY placed PRIOR to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place.
 ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: sdmike1974 on June 05, 2011, 04:03:39 PM
Re: Whether Casey Anthony should have been Mirandized during the interrogation at Universal.

I just watched again Geraldo Rivera's appearance on Fox & Friends in which he claims to have had a lengthy discussion with Alan Dershowitz. His argument was a bit vague, but what he seems to be suggesting is that Casey Anthony should have been Mirandized the moment the two interrogating detectives became suspicious.

I disagree. Geraldo (and perhaps Dershowitz) need to do a little more research.

In Stansbury v. California the Supreme Court held that "an officer's subjective and undisclosed view concerning whether the person being interrogated is a suspect is irrelevant to the assessment whether the person is in custody." Instead, according to the Court, the key inquiry should be whether the individual had been placed under formal arrest, or whether the restraint placed on the individual's freedom of movement rose to the level of a formal arrest.

This is why in my original comment I suggested the appellate issue will be "custodial interrogation" and not when the detectives became suspicious. Moreover, at no time did she admit anything except that she was lying about things she has never been charged with.

As Nancy Grace has stated (more than once), for an appeal to be successful there has to be evidence that the appellate issue could have contributed to a different verdict.




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 

I get ignored on a daily basis  ::MonkeyCool::

I know the feeling.

I have a little pity party ... remind myself why I have chosen to be on the forum and ... move on.

Janet





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 04:06:39 PM
Sticker residue testimony allowed...yayyy!!!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/04/casey-anthony-judge-releases-crucial-rulings/

Quote
 Chief Judge Belvin Perry just issued rulings on crucial evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony.  Heart Sticker evidence will be allowed into the Casey Anthony murder trial.  

Canine Search & Alert evidence will be allowed into the murder trial.

Judge Perry will also allow the Death Hair Band evidence into the trial against Casey.

This is a major setback for the Casey Defense team.  Chief Judge Belvin Perry has yet to rule on the Decomposition Air Sample evidence and Chloroform evidence.

I never saw this one (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/evidence/5556.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 04:09:19 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

NO
Janet
Casey looked up how to make chloroform on her computer i had all of this saved

Along with instructions on how to make chloroform at home, also listed are some important considerations to bear in mind while handling this compound and laboratory chemicals. Here's how to make chloroform at
home.

((edit to remove recipe for making it - I'd hate to think someone wanting to kill someone googled and found it at SM))

SEE BBM....hmmmm  You can get pure acetone nail polish remover
(http://www.massagewarehouse.com/assets/item/regular/2830626.jpg)
Pure Acetone Polish Remover, 16 Oz
http://www.massagewarehouse.com/products/pure-acetone-polish-remover/283-0626-08/?sourcecode=MWNEXTAG
I'm a licensed hairdresser you can also buy pure acetone at walmart way cheaper then our beauty supply house I do it all of the time.

As a result of the recipe being removed, you also omitted the part that discussed if a certain item was not available to throw on spills one is to SHOVEL SAND on it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 04:12:15 PM
Dr G writes the duct tape was applied prior to decompostion.. not prior to death. Anything written about the duct tape applied antemortem? Even though I believe she may have suffocated her with the duct tape, it will be hard to prove.

Decomposition generally start fairly soon after death


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 04:13:50 PM

Janet,

I don't have the documentation on the trash bag from the trunk of the car at the tow yard..but that is where it was found.   Either George  or the tow yard manager stated in testimony he could see the Arm & Hammer container through the trash bag.  He was asked if he didn't open the bag up how he knew..by the orange color of the container and the trash bag being somewhat transparent.  I am not sure if it was a box of Arm and Hammer or it was a container of Arm & Hammer laundry detergent.  The laundry detergent would make more sense to me if she had to clean up body fluids then just sprinkling  a box of baking soda in the trunk..but Casey is an odd duck.

Thanks Gypsy

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 04:15:24 PM
Dr G writes the duct tape was applied prior to decompostion.. not prior to death. Anything written about the duct tape applied antemortem? Even though I believe she may have suffocated her with the duct tape, it will be hard to prove.

Decomposition generally start fairly soon after death
Moment of Death: no link this as been saved in my notes
 1} The heart stops
 2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
 3} All the muscles relax
 4} The bladder and bowels empty: So this would have been been in the pool IMO

After 4 hours:
 11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
 12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
 13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
 After 12 hours:
 14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
 After 24 hours:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 05, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 

I get ignored on a daily basis  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
Re: Whether Casey Anthony should have been Mirandized during the interrogation at Universal.

I just watched again Geraldo Rivera's appearance on Fox & Friends in which he claims to have had a lengthy discussion with Alan Dershowitz. His argument was a bit vague, but what he seems to be suggesting is that Casey Anthony should have been Mirandized the moment the two interrogating detectives became suspicious.

I disagree. Geraldo (and perhaps Dershowitz) need to do a little more research.

In Stansbury v. California the Supreme Court held that "an officer's subjective and undisclosed view concerning whether the person being interrogated is a suspect is irrelevant to the assessment whether the person is in custody." Instead, according to the Court, the key inquiry should be whether the individual had been placed under formal arrest, or whether the restraint placed on the individual's freedom of movement rose to the level of a formal arrest.

This is why in my original comment I suggested the appellate issue will be "custodial interrogation" and not when the detectives became suspicious. Moreover, at no time did she admit anything except that she was lying about things she has never been charged with.

As Nancy Grace has stated (more than once), for an appeal to be successful there has to be evidence that the appellate issue could have contributed to a different verdict.


In addition to that, she was told expressly that she was free to go & its right there on the tape.  Each time she was asked if she was willing to speak & guide them on that wild goose chase.   She was considered a mother of a missing child, "the suspect" was "Zanny the nanny," until such time Casey continued to lie & they had proof that she was lying.   When she was arrested for child neglect & lying to LE she was then Mirandized.   It was not even a custodial interrogation, it was an interview which the party agreed to & a result of the party leading them to the location.   At no such time either at the house with her family present or at Universal did Casey Anthony ask if she needed an attorney or request one but she did each time state that she was willing to speak to LE.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: akmom on June 05, 2011, 04:20:40 PM
Did someone say something?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL, thanks, all.  Sorry for my little fit, I still can't do one as well as ICA.  LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 04:25:39 PM
Did someone say something?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL, thanks, all.  Sorry for my little fit, I still can't do one as well as ICA.  LOL

I actually had to laugh at myself last night listening to a a bunch of bunk on Whoraldo's show last night   ::boxinggeraldo2:: & literally said "O come on," and it gave me the chills    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
Dr G writes the duct tape was applied prior to decompostion.. not prior to death. Anything written about the duct tape applied antemortem? Even though I believe she may have suffocated her with the duct tape, it will be hard to prove.

Decomposition generally start fairly soon after death
Sorry, as a nurse I interpret it to mean before the skin begins to slough off


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 05, 2011, 04:26:47 PM
Thanks for posting this, Blonde. Do you monkeys think we will hear testimony from Cindy about whether she recognizes the laundry bag? What about forensics on the trash bags? Did they find matching trash bags in Cindys house or Tonys?


One last post and I'm outta here for the day. Several pages back a kind monkey posted Dr. G's summary report.  She stated tape affixed to the maxible (the upper bone of the jaw set, running from ear to ear, holds the top set of teeth).  On this adult, that definitely covers the nose.  We've already established from the stages of decomp that the skin tightens, bloats, and then breaks down...yet the duct tape remained wound tightly enough to essentially cement the mandible in place, as well as capture the hair mass throughout insect and animal activity, bone dispersal, and flooding.  Cause of death?  Not a problem. BBL

This?
Page 1 of the autopsy report

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5777658681_c0ff12bd3a_o.jpg)

Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
I had started a EVIDENCE Thread a while back
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9921.new#new


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 04:33:19 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?

In the beginning............I think that is why he isolated KC from her parents as soon as he could. I don't believe she didn't want to see her parents, because she enjoyed watching her mother in pain so much. I believe he knew it all along and knew what he was dealing with (psychopath) but also knew there was a lot of money to be made in this "game" and he wanted to be the recipient of it.


Good afternoon monkeys! Turbo... I think this as well. With the addition that he also saw a big story and wanted the "face time" he could get out of it....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 04:34:53 PM
KC could have (sorry in advance) broken the baby's neck and duct taped her right afterwards to close her mouth. We just will never know. That would be before decomposition


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 04:35:26 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 
::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Babybear on June 05, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Hi MOnkeys-- 4 Donks, I don't accept it.  I think George lied about seeing them on the 16th.  I think she left in a rage on the night of the 15th after a fight with Cindy and Cindy's threatening to take Caylee.  I don't think Caylee lived long after that.

I think Cindy lied under oath last week when she claimed what a good mother Casey was.  Many people, including her own family, know that's a lie.  Even Lee admitted that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother.  I don't see Cindy as Saint Cynthia.  She's just changed her goals.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 04:41:07 PM
I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

Janet

+++++
 


A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home.  The understanding is that Casey will be at her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee following George departure's to work..
 
3.  While Casey is on her computer ... Caylee dies of a drug overdose (chloroforum).
 
4.  Upon discovery ... Casey's initial panicked response is to contact her mother and/or father.  Unsuccessful attempts were made a “flurry” of cell phone.
 
5.  When she considers that Caylee's unintentional death was the result of wrongdoing ... Casey's thought process changes and goes into cover up mode.
 
6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes which are soiled by vomit.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head and mouth to prevent a further escape of bodily fluids and … attaches a heart sticker.
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside or under the backyard playhouse.
 
10.  Upon leaving the area of the Anthony's residence ... Casey contacts Tony and makes arrangements to meet up.
 
11.  Casey spends evening without Caylee at Tony's residence watching videos.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home while parents are at work and borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Cayley from temporary hiding place inside or under playhouse and buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment implies her father is home.
 
2.  When questioned by George ... Casey returns gas can and leaves but returns home later

3.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  Casey disposes of her daughter’s remains in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  Upon realizing the bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle resulting in a foul odor ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to rid the odor with baking powder.
 
 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.


Tamiko, where does the baking powder come in?  Was there evidence of that somewhere that I missed?

Actually ... I meant baking "soda".  A product that can be used to absored odors in a confined space.  However ... it appears that Arm and Hammer produce other products.

Thanks to all for the input regarding this issue.

Janet

+++++

Posted: 3:15 p.m. Friday, May 27, 2011
Witness: Casey’s car smelled like dead body


<snipped>

George Anthony took the witness stand for the third time this week.

When George and Cindy went to pick up the car, he testified that he smelled a ‘pretty strong odor’ within three feet of the car.

“That particular smell when you smell it is something you never forget,” George said.

He said he checked for damage to the car, and was relieved when he didn’t find anything unusual. Then he opened the trunk.

“I don’t know if I said it in a high whisper, or in just a real low tone voice, but I just said, ‘Please God, don’t let this be Casey or Caylee,’” George said.

He found a white trash bag with a pizza box inside, maggots, and an Arm and Hammer liquid plastic container. Burch threw the bag out into the dumpster, but they still smelled the strong odor.

<snipped>

http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/caseys-car-smelled-dead-body/nCpDn/



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 04:41:45 PM
Personal Slaves Wanted:

I wonder how many people applied? Jug heads. History will show them to be so awful.

--------------------------
Personal Assistant to George Anthony
24 hours On-Call DAILY
Locations: Charity office space located near Sand Lake Road and Orange Blossom Trail, Anthony Family Residence at 4937 Hopespring Drive Orlando, and also the possibility of working from home.
Purpose: Coordinate daily volunteer efforts at Publix Tent location and Call Center location. Check emails from the public offering to help volunteer, distribute supplies, and/or donate supplies or resources towards the search efforts. Will also be responsible for scheduling volunteers, and to assist in coordinating distribution of supplies to individuals/areas nationally.
Skills/Resources Required: Must have a valid drivers license and a personal cell phone. Ability to take and execute direction given by George Anthony. Great organizational skills, ability to multi-task, Windows-based computer skills to include Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Outlook), Internet Explorer, and email. Ability to lift 50 lbs and work with little to no supervision.
(Casey could lift 50 pounds with little or no supervision, and look what happened.)
There is no compensation for this position.
Whom to Contact: George Anthony - 407-403-3564 cell - georgehope4937@yahoo.com

Personal Assistant to Lee Anthony
24 hours On-Call DAILY
Locations: TBD, willing to travel within greater Orlando area with the potential for out of state travel.
Purpose: Run errands, schedule meetings, answer emails, update Myspace and HelpFindCaylee.com websites, etc.
Skills/Resources Required: Must own or have regular access to a personal computer, cell phone, and reliable transporation. Must have a valid drivers license. Ability to take and execute direction given by Lee Anthony. Great organizational skills, ability to multi-task, and work with little to no supervision. Knowledge of how to maintain a myspace page, basic html/website design, and other internet based resources such as search engines and news media sites is a must. This is a jack-of-all-trades position that may be cross utilized in all aspects of the search for Caylee as well as any personal need of the Anthony family, as directed by Lee Anthony. There is no compensation for this position.
Whom to Contact: Lee Anthony - 407-808-5132 cell - LeeAAnthony@gmail.com


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Hi MOnkeys-- 4 Donks, I don't accept it.  I think George lied about seeing them on the 16th.  I think she left in a rage on the night of the 15th after a fight with Cindy and Cindy's threatening to take Caylee.  I don't think Caylee lived long after that.

I think Cindy lied under oath last week when she claimed what a good mother Casey was.  Many people, including her own family, know that's a lie.  Even Lee admitted that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother.  I don't see Cindy as Saint Cynthia.  She's just changed her goals.
Babybear, I too think George lied about the 16th.  And I still do not trust the Anthonys.  I felt the real pain of CA and GA when they were on the stand, but that does not change my opinion of them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Hi MOnkeys-- 4 Donks, I don't accept it.  I think George lied about seeing them on the 16th.  I think she left in a rage on the night of the 15th after a fight with Cindy and Cindy's threatening to take Caylee.  I don't think Caylee lived long after that.

I think Cindy lied under oath last week when she claimed what a good mother Casey was.  Many people, including her own family, know that's a lie.  Even Lee admitted that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother.  I don't see Cindy as Saint Cynthia.  She's just changed her goals.
Babybear, I too think George lied about the 16th.  And I still do not trust the Anthonys.  I felt the real pain of CA and GA when they were on the stand, but that does not change my opinion of them.
ITA with everything posted above  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 04:47:59 PM
KC could have (sorry in advance) broken the baby's neck and duct taped her right afterwards to close her mouth. We just will never know. That would be before decomposition

I wish Dr. G. would be some time next week.

Makes sense what you just said...

I have a pic of( not sure if someone just photoshopped the pic) Caylee in that laundry cloth basket. Fit's in real easy, probably was easy to move her without being detected.
 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
Morning Monkeys!

I was watching NG last night do a summary of the trial and she was showing the jailhouse visits. In the one where George alone was visiting KC, he says, "If I could trade places with you, I would, I really would. I would do that." KC is in court watching the video and clearly spits out "Then why doesn't he?"

Someone on the forum noticed it when it happened, but I wasn't watching the feed at the time and missed it. I've seen it now and it caused me to confirm in my mind what I had suspected. Casey fashioned this stupid defense expecting her family to go along with it. She thought they'd grab the chance to get her out of the murder charge and lying about what happened should be no problem for them. After all, we all know she puts no value in telling the truth.

KC's one piece of work. It's a real insight into her thought processes. She's a cold, calculating biotch who feels entitled to what she wants and needs.

I used to think it was possible Caylee accidently died with KC. I don't anymore. KC murdered that child and she's very dangerous to anyone who crosses her.


CBB... I saw that when it happened as well. Funny, but some of her reactions are so bizarre that it makes me think I am imagining things. Casey is indeed evil and she is starting to look more evil the longer the trial goes on. She is a menace to society and needs to be kept away from the outside world for good.I pray the jury sees her for what she is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Dr G writes the duct tape was applied prior to decompostion.. not prior to death. Anything written about the duct tape applied antemortem? Even though I believe she may have suffocated her with the duct tape, it will be hard to prove.

Decomposition generally start fairly soon after death
Moment of Death: no link this as been saved in my notes
 1} The heart stops
 2} The skin gets tight and grey in color
 3} All the muscles relax
 4} The bladder and bowels empty: So this would have been been in the pool IMO

After 4 hours:
 11} Rigor mortis starts to set in
 12} The purpling of the skin and pooling of blood continue
 13} Rigor Mortis begins to tighten the muscles for about another 24 hours, then will reverse and the body will return to a limp state.
 After 12 hours:
 14} The body is in full rigor mortis.
 After 24 hours:
Blonde, thank you for this.  I couldn't remember when the body returned to a limp state.  I knew this happens, but the people I have seen where either recently deceased or rigor mortis had set in.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 04:52:28 PM
KC could have (sorry in advance) broken the baby's neck and duct taped her right afterwards to close her mouth. We just will never know. That would be before decomposition

I wish Dr. G. would be some time next week.

Makes sense what you just said...

I have a pic of( not sure if someone just photoshopped the pic) Caylee in that laundry cloth basket. Fit's in real easy, probably was easy to move her without being detected.
 ::justice2NJ::


I hope she gets on this week so we may have some clearer picture of her written report. Her explanation may answer alot of questions. I trust her opinion


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: karenmamo on June 05, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?
ssssssshhhhh...only if it comes out.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 04:53:21 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 04:54:21 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?
ssssssshhhhh...only if it comes out.  ::MonkeyShocked::
If that were the case, I don't think Bozo would be going after Kronk so hard. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 04:55:27 PM
After seeing what happened to Roy Kronk and Tim Miller... I'd be surprised if anybody ever tried to do a good deed, ever again. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 04:59:24 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

I don't remember seeing this before Sunny, but there have been so many documents to wade through and back then my puter was a dinosoar and it took me forever to make it through everything . By the time I got through it all I had such headaches. Thank God for the new MacBook...just in time for the trial!!
Klaas... thanks for this..... ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::
I was one of the ones who requested it last night. I was laying in bed with a migraine coming on with a washcloth over my eyes and had him on and had to get up and take more meds. He almost made me stroke out last night by making my blood pressure go up so high and my head almost exploded...

He makes me sick!!!!!!!!I am so tired of hearing him say how many mothers kill their children and what if they all got put on death row? Ok...whorealdo... how do you pick and choose which ones will get the dp and which ones will get a slap on the wrist? I say give them all the dp and maybe some of them will start thinking a little more before they kill their innocent kids....grrrrr...making my head hurt again ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?
As soon as KC opened her lying mouth.  No one would believe that she'd been hoebagging for 31 days as a means of searching for a missing child.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?

Prior to Dominic Casey entering the scenario?

Janet

++++++

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0219/18750716.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 05, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
snip
Tamikosmom

 I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash.


...................................................................
How do you do that without the person knowing?
You can tell I have no experience this this matter... ::MonkeyEek::

No experience here either, but if Amy fell asleep all she might need to do was place the stuff where Amy inhaled it, as she slept.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Titch on June 05, 2011, 05:10:05 PM
KC could have (sorry in advance) broken the baby's neck and duct taped her right afterwards to close her mouth. We just will never know. That would be before decomposition

I wish Dr. G. would be some time next week.

Makes sense what you just said...

I have a pic of( not sure if someone just photoshopped the pic) Caylee in that laundry cloth basket. Fit's in real easy, probably was easy to move her without being detected.
 ::justice2NJ::


I hope she gets on this week so we may have some clearer picture of her written report. Her explanation may answer alot of questions. I trust her opinion

I love Dr. G! According to her assessment, there was no trauma to Caylee's bones prior to her death. I'm thinking the duct tape, syringe & evidence of chloroform play a big role in her death.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html

Quote
"This identification was made from nuclear DNA taken from the remains and compared to a known profile of Caylee Anthony," Dr. Jan C. Garavaglia, the Orange County Medical Examiner, said (watch Dr. G speak). "There was no trauma to the bones prior to the death. The manner of the death in this case is homicide. The cause of death will be listed as homicide by unknown means."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 05, 2011, 05:13:21 PM
snip

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet

.....................
Was in Georges testimony about the baking soda, that was in the trash bag.. ::monkeywine2::

It was listed on one of the lists because I wondered if she thought that would take the smell out like you use it in a fridge. Only someone with little life experience would try baking soda unless they used 50 boxes of it to get rid of that smell.

I thought it was a plastic yellow jug of arm and hammer cleaner, not the baking powder box. I know A & H makes a clothes detergent...maybe a cleaning liquid for household use.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:15:15 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?

Was that wishful thinking??      ::boxingcasey2::

oh yeah!  Isn't that horrible of me!  I have never in my life wished ill intent on anyone and I gotta say I really want this "thing" to suffer for what she did to that precious baby!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 05:16:37 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from mark 4:45.  George starts talking about going outside every night to look at the moon and stars.  (I remember him telling someone that he always did that with Caylee before she went to bed.)  Watch KC's reaction.  Interesting.  I have to wonder if George might've been able to reach her had he been given a chance to meet with her.  But, of course, Jose made sure that didn't happen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Agree.  I think KC was planning to kill G&C.  She was with Ricardo in March.  He had chloroform on his computer.  KC searched in March for chloroform, neck-breaking and household weapons....that was also around the tim she was talking about getting the house.  There's no possible way to get that house without mom and dad being gone.  Also, there was no possible way for her to continue to pay the house mortgage if mom and dad were gone - she had no money.

She doesn't think ahead.  IMO, she would have never had to worry about paying the mortgage because she would not have been successful in getting away with killing either parent, just like she's not getting away with killing KC.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Agree.  I think KC was planning to kill G&C.  She was with Ricardo in March.  He had chloroform on his computer.  KC searched in March for chloroform, neck-breaking and household weapons....that was also around the tim she was talking about getting the house.  There's no possible way to get that house without mom and dad being gone.  Also, there was no possible way for her to continue to pay the house mortgage if mom and dad were gone - she had no money.

She doesn't think ahead.  IMO, she would have never had to worry about paying the mortgage because she would not have been successful in getting away with killing either parent, just like she's not getting away with killing KC.


I've always thought that she had planned to kill Caylee and Cindy and blame George.  Cindy would've had life insurance.  I doubt George did.  If she put George away, then she could get her hands on Cindy's home and Cindy's money.  If Lee tried to take a share, I'm sure she would've taken him out too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 05:22:57 PM

I don't know, but according to the below, there was no chloroform found in the hair or bones, or any other drug.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

Page 36.

Thanks Zoo Monkey

Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++

Jurors may hear chloroform evidence
6:26 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2011


In another setback to Casey Anthony's defense team, a judge ruled Wednesday that evidence about elevated chloroform levels detected in her car may be admissible at her trial.

Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry denied a defense team's request to block evidence about chloroform, which is a potentially deadly chemical that can be used to render a person unconscious.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-chloroform-rul20110427,0,7305325.story


Is chloroform an agent used in cleaning products?  Could it be that the "elevated levels" of chloroform detected in the trunk be a result of Cindy's cleaning spree prior to LE seizing Casey's vehicle?

Janet

Labs have test samples that they compare evidence to. Dr. Vass will testify to the chloroform in the trunk of the car being 10,000 times higher than the labs test sample and that he's never before seen chloroform evidence at such a high level.
That is what he testified to in the Frye hearing at the preliminary trial.


Because of the length of time and the expose to the elements there would be no way to trace the drugs. I had hoped the hair would test out, but after talking with a microbiologist I was told that hair would not preserve those in that length of time.  That was KC's whole intention to at least keep the body hidden until everything could no longer be tested. I think she thought they would never find her, but her whole reasoning from the beginning was not to let anyone know because of the drugs in her system. I do think they may have found the chloroform bottle because there is a dark brown bottle in the evidence and chloroform is kept in dark glass.  

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961871409720-16061218.jpg)

Agree....I do think that KC had it in her mind to not tell where Caylee was so that they couldn't trace what she did to the body.  Melich gave her every opportunity in the world to confess and she stubbornlykept telling lies and bigger lies.  You can tell she absolutely thinks that her dad should just take the blame for her.  She is "deeply disturbed".

I got a hint from onle of the shows last night (can't remember now) but something like "G&C just want KC to get help".

Mark my words....G&C and probably Lee will all get up and beg for her life and beg that KC "get help".

Why?  She's too far gone.  She deserves to be in jail for the rest of her life.  No amount of help would help that.  And if you're in jail for the rest of your life, what does it matter for a person to have more taxpayers' money spent on them for "help".

I'm jaded on this one.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 05:24:03 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Agree.  I think KC was planning to kill G&C.  She was with Ricardo in March.  He had chloroform on his computer.  KC searched in March for chloroform, neck-breaking and household weapons....that was also around the tim she was talking about getting the house.  There's no possible way to get that house without mom and dad being gone.  Also, there was no possible way for her to continue to pay the house mortgage if mom and dad were gone - she had no money.

She doesn't think ahead.  IMO, she would have never had to worry about paying the mortgage because she would not have been successful in getting away with killing either parent, just like she's not getting away with killing KC.




Count me in!!! I believe she was planning on offing George and Cindy as well. The day the judge made the comment about her killing her parents, I was yelling at my puter.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
anyone know anything about? that baez has a bombshell in closing? a guest on simon baretts radio show said that and when I asked about it! he said:

not sure Attorney Morgan was a guest on
Monsters in the morning, Russ ask how the defense. is going to
get out of this, then Morgan said that!

couldnt find link? anyone know anything about it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 05:25:49 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 

I just don't understand how anyone, even Bozo, can defend & try to get a child killer off and not make them pay.  That speaks volumes about him.  I've gone back and forth and I really just can't wrap my mind around it.  I wouldn't put it past him - the beginning I mean & that he let her little body lay there and let C & G suffer day after day.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: shy-monkey on June 05, 2011, 05:30:20 PM
I love how scholarly Judge Perry is. 

Notice Jose is holding his cell in his right hand.  Is someone feeding him ideas?

 ::MonkeyEek::

OSCaseyAnthony Casey Anthony News
Baez is using his phone while questioning Lowe

http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony (http://twitter.com/#!/OSCaseyAnthony)

Does he always use it, is that why he starts off every question with "AND.........."

"AND" not appear to comprehend their answers about 99.9% of the time. I wouldn't be surprised if he needed it written out like a script.

BOZO (insert Bozo picture reminder so he doesn't get confused which parts are his) Question- Do you know the defendant?
WITNESS RESPONSE (a little tricky w/o the pictures especially since these change-or so he's heard)- "yes"

Then unexpectedly the witness answers "yeah" throwing him entirely off, where he gets nervous and goes back to asking the same question 50 different ways or taking the witness response, turning it into a *new* question (because he's smart like that & able to come up with his own questions) and then asking it back in 50 different way.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Monken on June 05, 2011, 05:33:12 PM
Sticker residue testimony allowed...yayyy!!!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/04/casey-anthony-judge-releases-crucial-rulings/

Quote
 Chief Judge Belvin Perry just issued rulings on crucial evidence in the murder case against Casey Anthony.  Heart Sticker evidence will be allowed into the Casey Anthony murder trial.  

Canine Search & Alert evidence will be allowed into the murder trial.

Judge Perry will also allow the Death Hair Band evidence into the trial against Casey.

This is a major setback for the Casey Defense team.  Chief Judge Belvin Perry has yet to rule on the Decomposition Air Sample evidence and Chloroform evidence.



I am thrilled to hear that, Thank God!!    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 

I just don't understand how anyone, even Bozo, can defend & try to get a child killer off and not make them pay.  That speaks volumes about him.  I've gone back and forth and I really just can't wrap my mind around it.  I wouldn't put it past him - the beginning I mean & that he let her little body lay there and let C & G suffer day after day.
Bobo is unethical and immoral.. not a problem for him


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

I'm interested as well!!  What got that whole "rumor" started?  Padilla?  Did they question the girlfriend?  polygraph?  hmmmm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:40:23 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 

there's SO much activity I've noticed if I post and it's at the "end" of a page I'm less likely to get my question answered.  Us "newbies" I'm sure I'll driving the old timers bonkers with our questions ;)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 05:45:13 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.

Turbo - this is my theory, too.  KC killed Caylee Father's Day night or shortly after midnight the next day.  She and Cindy had a furious fight that has not come out in court.  Neighbors heard loud yelling and KC cussing at mom.  That was the day that Cindy found out from her mother that KC wrote a bad check on the nursing home checking account.  Shirley wanted to put KC in jail and Cindy talked her out of it.  This week, in one of the jail house tapes, KC kept asking how Grandma was and Cindy kept saying she's not doing well, it's hard to talk to her.  Well, Shirley was not doing well because she was upset about KC and the fraudulent check writing and Caylee being missing - not because Shirley was sick.  But that didn't come out in court.  Lee told Padillo and Jesse Grund that KC told him she and mom had a big fight and mom tried to choke her.  I use to believe that.  I no longer believe Cindy tried to choke KC.  I do think that it's possible that mom either threatened to take Caylee away from KC or mom was having too much fun with Caylee and the big fight and KC just snapped. 

That bunch of phone calls, I'm thinking, was just to "make sure" where mom and dad were because KC was planning on doing something with Caylee - like putting her into bags and then into the trunk...she didn't want anyone to catch her in the act.  The 2:00 a.m. pacing in the hotel parking lot, IMO, was pacing to figure out what to do with a dead Caylee.  She wasn't getting answers from G or C, so she kept making the calls to try to get them to answer.

I think we've pretty much figured out now that KC would leave the home and stay away until mom and day both were not there and then she'd go back home and stay until time for them to come home.  She walked in the house and unexpectedly encounterd George that day of the gas can debaucle.  That was it...George got too close to the trunk and she "literally" went to the first place she could and dumped Caylee in the swamp.  Just down the road and around the corner.  If you look at an overhead photo of Hopespring Drive, you will see that she dumpled Caylee in the very first spot available.  Couldn't get rid of her quick enough after the scare with George and the trunk.

Janet - chloroform evaporates very quickly and does not last in the system long enough to get into hair or bones.  The traces of chloroform in the "trunk" was 10,000 times higher than a normal lab sample that are used to make comparisons to and for that amount of trace to be in the car when LE tested it...says there was an enormous amount in the trunk to begin with.  It takes very little chloroform to kill an adult.  I'm not sure why the trunk was so saturated with it, but sometimes wonder if she made the chlorform in the trunk....VERY easy to make.  Maybe she spilled it or put it "all" on a rag and left it in the trunk.  Whatever, it will burn your skin, so I'm betting KC used some of Cindy's rubber gloves and KC would have had to make sure she didn't breathe it in herself, else she would pass out. 

This is terrible, but I have to say it:  that car smelled of decomp MONTHS later and no one could stand the smell, WHAT kind of creature could just drive around for days with that smell in the car?   



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 05:46:13 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Mark 25:00 George talks about trading places with KC.  I'm not seeing her say 'why dont you' like other posters have seen.  Is there another point in the video where this happens?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:49:13 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Hi MOnkeys-- 4 Donks, I don't accept it.  I think George lied about seeing them on the 16th.  I think she left in a rage on the night of the 15th after a fight with Cindy and Cindy's threatening to take Caylee.  I don't think Caylee lived long after that.

I think Cindy lied under oath last week when she claimed what a good mother Casey was.  Many people, including her own family, know that's a lie.  Even Lee admitted that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother.  I don't see Cindy as Saint Cynthia.  She's just changed her goals.

Do you blame her?  She finally got her out of the house and could end up in a cell next to her unless she starts telling "some" truth ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?
Do you mean this lol
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Casey%20Anthony%20MURDER%20TRIAL/movie.gif)

I think that was the "normal" KC we were seeing - not the fraud that see let people see.  If you notice, immediately upon her fit, Cindy automatically says here's your dad.  When KC would get upset with dad, it was here's your mom.

KC ruled that house.  I used to think Cindy did.  Now I think Cindy rules George and KC ruled the house.

It's obvious, watching that interaction, that G&C has had to deal with KC's actions for a long time and they were just on automatic trying to talk to her....the one she was yelling out would "automatically and quickly" bow out and let the other one handle her.  She has tortured and abused G&C long before she killed Caylee as the ultimate torture!

It takes a deeply disturbed person to listen to her mom and dad in pure agony over losing Caylee and talking about all they're doing to try to find her and then just keep on lying to their faces.  I think that KC got immense satisfaction out of having that control over G&C.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 05:50:25 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Don't take it personally,AKmom.  Happens to me all the time.  In fact, recently I just hang around to read. 

there's SO much activity I've noticed if I post and it's at the "end" of a page I'm less likely to get my question answered.  Us "newbies" I'm sure I'll driving the old timers bonkers with our questions ;)

I have been here since Natalee Holloway first went missing and my posts go unanswered all the time. Please don't take it personally. Many times people just agree with your post or don't know the answer or think someone else has already answered you. Also alot of times people are just catching up and reading from a couple of days before and are so behind that they don't answer the post. Many times when I am trying to catch up I don't respond to others post simply because I have a limited amount of time and if I start responding to posts I will never catch up. We see you.. please stick around !!!!!!
{{{{ HUGGS}}}}
Cubs


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:51:35 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

I don't remember seeing this before Sunny, but there have been so many documents to wade through and back then my puter was a dinosoar and it took me forever to make it through everything . By the time I got through it all I had such headaches. Thank God for the new MacBook...just in time for the trial!!
Klaas... thanks for this..... ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::
I was one of the ones who requested it last night. I was laying in bed with a migraine coming on with a washcloth over my eyes and had him on and had to get up and take more meds. He almost made me stroke out last night by making my blood pressure go up so high and my head almost exploded...

He makes me sick!!!!!!!!I am so tired of hearing him say how many mothers kill their children and what if they all got put on death row? Ok...whorealdo... how do you pick and choose which ones will get the dp and which ones will get a slap on the wrist? I say give them all the dp and maybe some of them will start thinking a little more before they kill their innocent kids....grrrrr...making my head hurt again ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::

You could tell by the letter Linda's #1 concern was finding that baby.  Great lady IMO!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Riley on June 05, 2011, 05:52:18 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Mark 25:00 George talks about trading places with KC.  I'm not seeing her say 'why dont you' like other posters have seen.  Is there another point in the video where this happens?

You need to find a split screen version.  Why didn't you was what court room Casey mouthed at the camera, not ICA.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 05, 2011, 05:53:50 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

Possibly, but if Bozo had a conversation that was meant to be overheard, he's just as guilty. Number one, if he knew where the body was, it was his duty as an officer of the court to give that information--privilege be damned!
Padilla tried to imply that Kronk got it from a girlfriend who got it from LE, but if LE knew, why wouldn't they look for it themselves? Why wait for all the evidence to disappear and skeletonize?
I've always had a hinky feeling about Sylvia Hernandez, that she was a shill for Bozo despite his vehement protestations to the contrary. It's possible she may have been used for more than just passing notes where KC could get her God conversations and molestations issues into evidence. She may have been a part of Padilla's "daisy chain" instead of LE.

But on the other hand, all of the above seem just so convoluted. Most likely it is what it is, Kronk found the body in August and snooped around again in December when he got the chance and found it again. Try as he might, I don't think Bozo can prove anything different.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?
As soon as KC opened her lying mouth.  No one would believe that she'd been hoebagging for 31 days as a means of searching for a missing child.

I agree but I guess I should have said "When do you think she finally TOLD him" whatever she did accident/murder?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 05:54:44 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/george.jpg)


 ::monkeyblink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 

I just don't understand how anyone, even Bozo, can defend & try to get a child killer off and not make them pay.  That speaks volumes about him.  I've gone back and forth and I really just can't wrap my mind around it.  I wouldn't put it past him - the beginning I mean & that he let her little body lay there and let C & G suffer day after day.
Bobo is unethical and immoral.. not a problem for him


I truly believe that like Casey, he has no soul...or a very black one at best...jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
Good Morning... re: the use immunity offer to KC early on. JB was the one that initiated the use immunity deal. I also didn't realize Linda Drane Burdick was Sex Crimes/Child Abuse Unit Chief.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1082457/Casey-Anthony-immunity-email

Klaas...love this  ::boxinggeraldo2::

I don't remember seeing this before Sunny, but there have been so many documents to wade through and back then my puter was a dinosoar and it took me forever to make it through everything . By the time I got through it all I had such headaches. Thank God for the new MacBook...just in time for the trial!!
Klaas... thanks for this..... ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::
I was one of the ones who requested it last night. I was laying in bed with a migraine coming on with a washcloth over my eyes and had him on and had to get up and take more meds. He almost made me stroke out last night by making my blood pressure go up so high and my head almost exploded...

He makes me sick!!!!!!!!I am so tired of hearing him say how many mothers kill their children and what if they all got put on death row? Ok...whorealdo... how do you pick and choose which ones will get the dp and which ones will get a slap on the wrist? I say give them all the dp and maybe some of them will start thinking a little more before they kill their innocent kids....grrrrr...making my head hurt again ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxinggeraldo2::

You could tell by the letter Linda's #1 concern was finding that baby.  Great lady IMO!


She is amazing! I love the her mannerisms in court...she is my new girlcrush...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 05:58:19 PM
snip

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet

.....................
Was in Georges testimony about the baking soda, that was in the trash bag.. ::monkeywine2::

Are you talking about the Arm & Hammer container?  If so, that was not baking soda, it was detergent.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 06:00:18 PM
Does anyone remember ? either by text or phone call? casey telling tony that taking care of caylee is like working a 8 hr shift. something to that effect?

I remember this
Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
 mission accomplished.

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausing than working a twelve hour event.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “She’s coming back from Tampa. Her sister is getting married this weekeend.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Yeah, I just called her. She’s on I-4. Good, so tha’s a plus. That it is.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “So is she willing to get the offspring?”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Let’s, hey let’s (unintelligible) right now when it is as good as it has been. I need it, I uh, I told you I need a routine. But it’s not my main concern for seeing you,”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Once in three weeks is a tease.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Come over and I’ll cook.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“How? You want me to bring the little snot head?”

 

I hope this eventually comes into court.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 06:02:29 PM
snip

I had thought that a can/package of baking powder/baking soda was one of the items found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  However ... I cannot locate what I considered backup.  My recollection could have been wrong.

Janet

.....................
Was in Georges testimony about the baking soda, that was in the trash bag.. ::monkeywine2::

Are you talking about the Arm & Hammer container?  If so, that was not baking soda, it was detergent.




I thought it was the detergent as well..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 06:03:29 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 06:07:43 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


I believe the syringe is used to poke it to the bottom - insert the tip into the pure chloroform that has concentrated, and extract it out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 05, 2011, 06:07:52 PM
Hi Tamikosmom

Why totmom would drug Caylee, so she could just use the home pc?

The amount of cell calls, wanted to insure no one was coming home early.  Just to know the where abouts of everyone.

 ::MonkeyBike::



I feel she killed her the night of the 15th or morning of the 16th. There was a video or a witness one who saw her walking around her car on her phone in a hotel parking lot about 2:00 in the morning of the 16th. I have always felt George made up the story about seeing them leave that morning to cover for her.

I also think all the phone calls were to make sure they weren't coming home. She was paranoid until she could plant the body somewhere. I have always wondered if she did put her in that turtle (or something) sandbox because she would have fit there and there was a lid on it. There would have been no reason for the Anthonys to raise that lid.

Turbo - this is my theory, too.  KC killed Caylee Father's Day night or shortly after midnight the next day.  She and Cindy had a furious fight that has not come out in court.  Neighbors heard loud yelling and KC cussing at mom.  That was the day that Cindy found out from her mother that KC wrote a bad check on the nursing home checking account.  Shirley wanted to put KC in jail and Cindy talked her out of it.  This week, in one of the jail house tapes, KC kept asking how Grandma was and Cindy kept saying she's not doing well, it's hard to talk to her.  Well, Shirley was not doing well because she was upset about KC and the fraudulent check writing and Caylee being missing - not because Shirley was sick.  But that didn't come out in court.  Lee told Padillo and Jesse Grund that KC told him she and mom had a big fight and mom tried to choke her.  I use to believe that.  I no longer believe Cindy tried to choke KC.  I do think that it's possible that mom either threatened to take Caylee away from KC or mom was having too much fun with Caylee and the big fight and KC just snapped. 

That bunch of phone calls, I'm thinking, was just to "make sure" where mom and dad were because KC was planning on doing something with Caylee - like putting her into bags and then into the trunk...she didn't want anyone to catch her in the act.  The 2:00 a.m. pacing in the hotel parking lot, IMO, was pacing to figure out what to do with a dead Caylee.  She wasn't getting answers from G or C, so she kept making the calls to try to get them to answer.

I think we've pretty much figured out now that KC would leave the home and stay away until mom and day both were not there and then she'd go back home and stay until time for them to come home.  She walked in the house and unexpectedly encounterd George that day of the gas can debaucle.  That was it...George got too close to the trunk and she "literally" went to the first place she could and dumped Caylee in the swamp.  Just down the road and around the corner.  If you look at an overhead photo of Hopespring Drive, you will see that she dumpled Caylee in the very first spot available.  Couldn't get rid of her quick enough after the scare with George and the trunk.

Janet - chloroform evaporates very quickly and does not last in the system long enough to get into hair or bones.  The traces of chloroform in the "trunk" was 10,000 times higher than a normal lab sample that are used to make comparisons to and for that amount of trace to be in the car when LE tested it...says there was an enormous amount in the trunk to begin with.  It takes very little chloroform to kill an adult.  I'm not sure why the trunk was so saturated with it, but sometimes wonder if she made the chlorform in the trunk....VERY easy to make.  Maybe she spilled it or put it "all" on a rag and left it in the trunk.  Whatever, it will burn your skin, so I'm betting KC used some of Cindy's rubber gloves and KC would have had to make sure she didn't breathe it in herself, else she would pass out. 

This is terrible, but I have to say it:  that car smelled of decomp MONTHS later and no one could stand the smell, WHAT kind of creature could just drive around for days with that smell in the car?   



I think you are spot on!  I think you should email this to the prosecution! lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.

was it Jessie's syringe? did they do touch DNA on it?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Scatty on June 05, 2011, 06:09:43 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.


Hi MOnkeys-- 4 Donks, I don't accept it.  I think George lied about seeing them on the 16th.  I think she left in a rage on the night of the 15th after a fight with Cindy and Cindy's threatening to take Caylee.  I don't think Caylee lived long after that.

I think Cindy lied under oath last week when she claimed what a good mother Casey was.  Many people, including her own family, know that's a lie.  Even Lee admitted that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother.  I don't see Cindy as Saint Cynthia.  She's just changed her goals.
Babybear, I too think George lied about the 16th.  And I still do not trust the Anthonys.  I felt the real pain of CA and GA when they were on the stand, but that does not change my opinion of them.
ITA with everything posted above  ::rhino::

Me too!  ::rhino::  ::rhino::

There's something about George's narratives that remind me a lot of Casey's. I think it's quite possible he helped cover for her after discovering what she had done somewhere around June 24th. The defense is coming up with a grain of truth. This coverup is being used to make it seem as if it was a coverup of an accident on the 16th. That's baloney. That date came into play for some reason when he realized he had to cover up a murder although he never wanted to voice that opinion out loud. He even may have told River it was an "accident" that snowballed in an effort to convince himself. The Anthonys all have a habit of doing that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.

I remember when reading that about a tooth depression, it made me sick because that meant she tried to chew her way out of the duct tape.

Do we know if the "tood depression" was made on the "inside" of the duct tape near the mouth area?  Or...was it made on the end of the tape, indicating that KC tore the tape with her teeth?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 06:25:33 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

"IF" that were true it might be an appeal factor, but if I am not mistaken the "story" that was told about that turned out to not be true at all. The "girlfriend" that was implicated IIRC did not even have access to the jail and was not really a "girlfriend."

I personally believe the man just had strong suspicions about where KC would have dumped her and followed up time after time because he wanted that baby to be found. I have a number of friends who live in Orlando area who spent countless hours searching for her body on their days off and in terrible conditions anytime they had who had no motive but to find her. It was not just him who was trying to connect the dots, but many people.

Most all the stories Padilla has told about all that are totally erroneous and I am not sure he should not be sued for telling much of it because I believe that is part of where bozo got his "tale tale" for court from.

"IF" where Caylee's body was placed was overheard in jail, if that conversation included Baez, isn't there a law that says an attorney has to disclose where such evidence (body) is?  Wouldn't he be in very deep trouble over this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 06:26:24 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 06:28:05 PM
As I was going through the archives last night and other sites I found some of this information:


I believe there was an argument between Casey and Cindy on the evening of June 15 not because the neighbor says so, but because Rick (Cindy's brother) said that he was told that.  I don't remember if Cindy told him or if their mom told him.  I don't understand why the prosecution didn't take this up.  It seems as though they would have offered immunity to George and Cindy to change their statements.  Perhaps is doesn't matter to the prosecution.  I would think it would matter as it would go to Casey's state of mind.  I think Cayse knew that Cindy was fed up and was going to take Caylee away from her and Cayse per her own words that she was "A spiteful bitch" and the fact that she was head over heels for Tony decided to kill Caylee. 

According to phone logs / locations Casey was home on the night of June 15 early morning of June 16th.  Phone call from her to Tony at 1:05 am on her cell phone from the Antony home.  80 minutes long.

Casey did leave the Anthony home around 1pm. on the 16th. She was back home around 2:52 pm. 

Casey was seen at Wal-mart around 4:00pm on the 16th, but phone records / pings do not show this information. It is reported that Caylee seemed mad and walking approx. 10 feet behind Cayse when they left Wal-mart.

JMHO I believe Caylee died between the hours of 4:25 pm and 6:31 pm on the 16th.  I think Cayse went into a fit of rage and chloroformed Caylee and then put duct tape over her nose and mouth so that she would not wake up.  I pray she chloroformed her first.  I believe Cayse put Caylee either in the turtle sandbox or the playhouse. She then went on to Tony's and they went to Blockbuster.  Interesting that they rented 2 movies Untraceable and Jumper.

On the 17th Cayse was at the Anthony home at 2:30pm.  I think it is then that she set the pool ladder up and unlocked the side gate.  This makes me think that she was going to attempt a child abduction as if someone came into the yard and took Caylee.  Don't know. I don't think for one minute that Cindy left the pool ladder up or the gate unlocked.  I have also thought that Cayse could have put duct tape on Caylees mouth and threw her into the pool till she was dead.  God I hope that isn't what she did. She is so evil that I wouldn't put it past her.  I know the scientist say that the duct tape was placed on her mouth/nose after death and before decomp.  I don't know how they can tell that and I guess we'll find out in the coming days of testimony.

On the 18th per the neighbor Cayse came home backed the car into the garage and borrowed the shovel for one hour.  I think this is when she got Caylee and took her to the dump site where Caylee was found. 

The dogs weren't allowed in the back yard per Cindy because that is where Caylee played.  Don't know if that is true or not.  Cindy sure was full of lies at that time.  I'm not going to judge her though.

I think on the 18th when Cayce borrowed the neighbors shovel she was going to bury Caylee, but it was too much work. (Can't see her trying too hard) and the neighbor said when Cayse returned the shovel an hour later that she didn't seem dirty or like she had been working.  Something like that.

Cayse told Amy on the 25th that the car smelled awful and that George must have run over a squirrel when he borrowed the car.  George was already being set up by Casey.

As I was reading back I sure did throw George, Lee and Cindy under the bus.  And I believe it was LP that put into our minds that Casey had been molested by George and/or Lee.  That was the whole premise for me despising them.  Casey was again setting up George or Lee. I think early on George and Cindy in their heart of heart knew Cayse did something to Caylee but just couldn't go to that horrible dark place.  I don't understand their crazy behavior, but I think now that they have come to terms with things they are doing the right thing.  I imagine they have had to walk on egg shells with Cayse most of her life.  I truly believe she is a narcissistic psychopath.

I also think that Bozo was setting up this defense early on.  That George was involved and that Caylee drowned.  Too bad he isn't a good attorney he just might have gotten her off.  Any good attorney would have taken a plea and plead that Caylee accidentally drowned and temporary insanity for Cayse's behavior afterward.  She sure wouldn't have LWOP or death facing her.



     


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 05, 2011, 06:28:23 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

oops wishful thinking - meant CAYLEE when did he find out Caylee was dead?
As soon as KC opened her lying mouth.  No one would believe that she'd been hoebagging for 31 days as a means of searching for a missing child.

I agree but I guess I should have said "When do you think she finally TOLD him" whatever she did accident/murder?

From my understanding, I thought that if the client is guilty, his or her lawyer doesn't usually want to be told.  One, I think lawyers can get disbarred for knowingly lying, and two, I think it becomes a lot harder to defend the client while thinking on one's feet if you know the client is guilty.  Jose may KNOW in his heart she is guilty, but why the heck would she tell him at all?  I mean, I don't think she's told anybody.  I think Jose would have a bigger chance of letting the truth slip if Casey had told him for sure that she had killed Caylee and how she'd done it.  Mostly MOO. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 06:29:12 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Mark 25:00 George talks about trading places with KC.  I'm not seeing her say 'why dont you' like other posters have seen.  Is there another point in the video where this happens?

Ditto..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jesse on June 05, 2011, 06:31:13 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

Possibly, but if Bozo had a conversation that was meant to be overheard, he's just as guilty. Number one, if he knew where the body was, it was his duty as an officer of the court to give that information--privilege be damned!
Padilla tried to imply that Kronk got it from a girlfriend who got it from LE, but if LE knew, why wouldn't they look for it themselves? Why wait for all the evidence to disappear and skeletonize?
I've always had a hinky feeling about Sylvia Hernandez, that she was a shill for Bozo despite his vehement protestations to the contrary. It's possible she may have been used for more than just passing notes where KC could get her God conversations and molestations issues into evidence. She may have been a part of Padilla's "daisy chain" instead of LE.

But on the other hand, all of the above seem just so convoluted. Most likely it is what it is, Kronk found the body in August and snooped around again in December when he got the chance and found it again. Try as he might, I don't think Bozo can prove anything different.

i hope you are right


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 06:31:18 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Agree.  I think KC was planning to kill G&C.  She was with Ricardo in March.  He had chloroform on his computer.  KC searched in March for chloroform, neck-breaking and household weapons....that was also around the tim she was talking about getting the house.  There's no possible way to get that house without mom and dad being gone.  Also, there was no possible way for her to continue to pay the house mortgage if mom and dad were gone - she had no money.

She doesn't think ahead.  IMO, she would have never had to worry about paying the mortgage because she would not have been successful in getting away with killing either parent, just like she's not getting away with killing KC.




Count me in!!! I believe she was planning on offing George and Cindy as well. The day the judge made the comment about her killing her parents, I was yelling at my puter.....

Same here.... ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Samarie on June 05, 2011, 06:33:09 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Interesting...looks like an off brand of carpet stain remover under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle. The "cleaner" can appears to have one of those built in scrubby thingies on the cap. All the times I've viewed evidence photos and I never picked up on it before. I think Casey may have tried to clean up the car before Cindy did, she should have done a computer search, such as "how to get a death smell out of a car." ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4 Donks on June 05, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
Thanks for posting this, Blonde. Do you monkeys think we will hear testimony from Cindy about whether she recognizes the laundry bag? What about forensics on the trash bags? Did they find matching trash bags in Cindys house or Tonys?


One last post and I'm outta here for the day. Several pages back a kind monkey posted Dr. G's summary report.  She stated tape affixed to the maxible (the upper bone of the jaw set, running from ear to ear, holds the top set of teeth).  On this adult, that definitely covers the nose.  We've already established from the stages of decomp that the skin tightens, bloats, and then breaks down...yet the duct tape remained wound tightly enough to essentially cement the mandible in place, as well as capture the hair mass throughout insect and animal activity, bone dispersal, and flooding.  Cause of death?  Not a problem. BBL

This?
Page 1 of the autopsy report

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5777658681_c0ff12bd3a_o.jpg)

Page 2 of the autopsy report

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/5778221718_3f7f2c3d57_o.jpg)

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html

Report of osteological analysis


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: shy-monkey on June 05, 2011, 06:41:07 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

It's probably their pet names for each other.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
Does anyone remember ? either by text or phone call? casey telling tony that taking care of caylee is like working a 8 hr shift. something to that effect?

I remember this
Casey Anthony wrote to Tony Rusciano (the cop that was fired for lying about knowing Casey)
 mission accomplished.

?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausing than working a twelve hour event.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “She’s coming back from Tampa. Her sister is getting married this weekeend.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
 “Yeah, I just called her. She’s on I-4. Good, so tha’s a plus. That it is.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “So is she willing to get the offspring?”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Let’s, hey let’s (unintelligible) right now when it is as good as it has been. I need it, I uh, I told you I need a routine. But it’s not my main concern for seeing you,”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Once in three weeks is a tease.”

 ?? instant message from NYItaliano3 to Casey O Marie
 “Come over and I’ll cook.”

 ?? instant message from Casey O Marie to NYItaliano3
“How? You want me to bring the little snot head?”

 

I hope this eventually comes into court.

The comment........“Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausing than working a twelve hour event.”


alright, gotta admit - I'm 41 and a stay at home mom to my 2 year old and I say it is a fulltime job and like working 20 hour days BUT I don't text & don't even get on the computer unless she's "NATURALLY" napping or sleeping.  Unlike ICA my daughter is my #1 priority and I play with her all day long.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ShariVari on June 05, 2011, 06:43:02 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Interesting...looks like an off brand of carpet stain remover under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle. The "cleaner" can appears to have one of those built in scrubby thingies on the cap. All the times I've viewed evidence photos and I never picked up on it before. I think Casey may have tried to clean up the car before Cindy did, she should have done a computer search, such as "how to get a death smell out of a car." ::MonkeyNoNo::

that kiwi bottle under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle is a sneaker or shoe cleaner, i think.  Kiwi makes shoe polishes and I think I've owned that same bottle of sneaker cleaner before.  Maybe how KC got the mud off her shoes when she tossed Caylee in the woods?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 06:43:45 PM
Hey titch, i agree with you, if she had had enough time she was going to off her parents and with Caylee gone she was home free! i seriously believe that! She's a psychopath and all she wanted was for her life to be perfect in her sick mind. She would have killed them both & not thought twice about it! The consequences are never even in her mind unless confronted with them, she has no conscience and it's hard for normal people to comprehend that thought process but believe me there are lots of these sick ass freaks out there! My brothers ex is one of them, she's Casey's twin & I know she would off someone in a NY minute if they got in her way, no doubt!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

ITA..She was planning on killing her parents first..I think..and then her anger got the better of her and she killed Caylee out of rage and spite.

I thin the judge also thinks there was a possiblity she would ahve gone on to kill her parents..hence his remark the other day when they were reading taxtsbetween Casey and Tony..in court..but withut jury present.  JP said something like ..so the conclusion of these is you want me to believe she was also  planning on killing her parents?  He didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Agree.  I think KC was planning to kill G&C.  She was with Ricardo in March.  He had chloroform on his computer.  KC searched in March for chloroform, neck-breaking and household weapons....that was also around the tim she was talking about getting the house.  There's no possible way to get that house without mom and dad being gone.  Also, there was no possible way for her to continue to pay the house mortgage if mom and dad were gone - she had no money.

She doesn't think ahead.  IMO, she would have never had to worry about paying the mortgage because she would not have been successful in getting away with killing either parent, just like she's not getting away with killing KC.




Count me in!!! I believe she was planning on offing George and Cindy as well. The day the judge made the comment about her killing her parents, I was yelling at my puter.....

Same here.... ::boxingcasey2::

Just curious how do you think she would have killed them?  (I agree by the way - she was planning to)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 06:44:45 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

It's probably their pet names for each other.

thank you for making me spit the last of my snack bar out!  (it was good too!)  TOOOO funny!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 06:47:24 PM
As I was going through the archives last night and other sites I found some of this information:


I believe there was an argument between Casey and Cindy on the evening of June 15 not because the neighbor says so, but because Rick (Cindy's brother) said that he was told that.  I don't remember if Cindy told him or if their mom told him.  I don't understand why the prosecution didn't take this up.  It seems as though they would have offered immunity to George and Cindy to change their statements.  Perhaps is doesn't matter to the prosecution.  I would think it would matter as it would go to Casey's state of mind.  I think Cayse knew that Cindy was fed up and was going to take Caylee away from her and Cayse per her own words that she was "A spiteful bitch" and the fact that she was head over heels for Tony decided to kill Caylee. 

According to phone logs / locations Casey was home on the night of June 15 early morning of June 16th.  Phone call from her to Tony at 1:05 am on her cell phone from the Antony home.  80 minutes long.

Casey did leave the Anthony home around 1pm. on the 16th. She was back home around 2:52 pm. 

Casey was seen at Wal-mart around 4:00pm on the 16th, but phone records / pings do not show this information. It is reported that Caylee seemed mad and walking approx. 10 feet behind Cayse when they left Wal-mart.

JMHO I believe Caylee died between the hours of 4:25 pm and 6:31 pm on the 16th.  I think Cayse went into a fit of rage and chloroformed Caylee and then put duct tape over her nose and mouth so that she would not wake up.  I pray she chloroformed her first.  I believe Cayse put Caylee either in the turtle sandbox or the playhouse. She then went on to Tony's and they went to Blockbuster.  Interesting that they rented 2 movies Untraceable and Jumper.

On the 17th Cayse was at the Anthony home at 2:30pm.  I think it is then that she set the pool ladder up and unlocked the side gate.  This makes me think that she was going to attempt a child abduction as if someone came into the yard and took Caylee.  Don't know. I don't think for one minute that Cindy left the pool ladder up or the gate unlocked.  I have also thought that Cayse could have put duct tape on Caylees mouth and threw her into the pool till she was dead.  God I hope that isn't what she did. She is so evil that I wouldn't put it past her.  I know the scientist say that the duct tape was placed on her mouth/nose after death and before decomp.  I don't know how they can tell that and I guess we'll find out in the coming days of testimony.

On the 18th per the neighbor Cayse came home backed the car into the garage and borrowed the shovel for one hour.  I think this is when she got Caylee and took her to the dump site where Caylee was found. 

The dogs weren't allowed in the back yard per Cindy because that is where Caylee played.  Don't know if that is true or not.  Cindy sure was full of lies at that time.  I'm not going to judge her though.

I think on the 18th when Cayce borrowed the neighbors shovel she was going to bury Caylee, but it was too much work. (Can't see her trying too hard) and the neighbor said when Cayse returned the shovel an hour later that she didn't seem dirty or like she had been working.  Something like that.

Cayse told Amy on the 25th that the car smelled awful and that George must have run over a squirrel when he borrowed the car.  George was already being set up by Casey.

As I was reading back I sure did throw George, Lee and Cindy under the bus.  And I believe it was LP that put into our minds that Casey had been molested by George and/or Lee.  That was the whole premise for me despising them.  Casey was again setting up George or Lee. I think early on George and Cindy in their heart of heart knew Cayse did something to Caylee but just couldn't go to that horrible dark place.  I don't understand their crazy behavior, but I think now that they have come to terms with things they are doing the right thing.  I imagine they have had to walk on egg shells with Cayse most of her life.  I truly believe she is a narcissistic psychopath.

I also think that Bozo was setting up this defense early on.  That George was involved and that Caylee drowned.  Too bad he isn't a good attorney he just might have gotten her off.  Any good attorney would have taken a plea and plead that Caylee accidentally drowned and temporary insanity for Cayse's behavior afterward.  She sure wouldn't have LWOP or death facing her.



     

Do you think the reason the State didn't bring up the "argument" & offer immunity is that they don't want the Ants to come across as liars?  Wouldn't Baez bring up the fact that they lied previously?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 06:48:37 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



I've always loved being here, but is there something about my posts that cause people to ignore me, that I don't realize???

Nooooooooooo akmom.  It's called multitasking.  lol  Sometimes people don't have the answer or are so far behind like me most of the time.  Take no offense.  Everyone is important here.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 06:48:41 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Mark 25:00 George talks about trading places with KC.  I'm not seeing her say 'why dont you' like other posters have seen.  Is there another point in the video where this happens?

Ditto..... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I didn't see it, either. Just more George - the rambling tool. phew... my gosh, he is BORING. I'd rather put in a full day of work at a library, renumbering their Dewey Decimal System.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 06:55:42 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 06:57:34 PM
Hi Snoops! I have been wondering myself why the arguement hasn't been brought up.Rick was pretty informative. Too bad he quit posting!I wonder if the arguement hasn't been brought up due to the fact that Shirley would then have to come in to testify about the stolen money???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.

Oh, that was all she was worried about, get me out of here so I can help find Caylee. Then when she did get out she stayed in her room and did crafts and made booty calls to Jose's office...pfffttt!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Interesting...looks like an off brand of carpet stain remover under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle. The "cleaner" can appears to have one of those built in scrubby thingies on the cap. All the times I've viewed evidence photos and I never picked up on it before. I think Casey may have tried to clean up the car before Cindy did, she should have done a computer search, such as "how to get a death smell out of a car." ::MonkeyNoNo::

I cropped the part out with the "cleaner" can and turned it around:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image52-3.png)

Then I found out what it is:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Casey%20Anthony/Trial/Image54-3.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 07:02:39 PM
Beth... not sure how she planned to off the parents, but she researched a few possibilities...chloroform...neck breaking..household weapons....and the one that puzzles me the most..shovel....
who the hell has to google shovel?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magnolia on June 05, 2011, 07:04:51 PM
snip
Tamikosmom

 I believe she had successfully used it on Amy when she stole that $400 and played the game like she was helping Amy look for the cash.


...................................................................
How do you do that without the person knowing?
You can tell I have no experience this this matter... ::MonkeyEek::

No experience here either, but if Amy fell asleep all she might need to do was place the stuff where Amy inhaled it, as she slept.

It can be misted into the air and inhaled, thus leaving no burns on the skin around the nose and mouth, but it does leave burns inside the nose when inhaled.
(That is according to Criminal Minds)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
Hi Snoops! I have been wondering myself why the arguement hasn't been brought up.Rick was pretty informative. Too bad he quit posting!I wonder if the arguement hasn't been brought up due to the fact that Shirley would then have to come in to testify about the stolen money???

Rick's posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 05, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
Beth... not sure how she planned to off the parents, but she researched a few possibilities...chloroform...neck breaking..household weapons....and the one that puzzles me the most..shovel....
who the hell has to google shovel?

I was just curious how the idiot thought she could pull it off.  G is ex LE & I'm sure can handle himself.  I agree with the shovel.  That is just bizarre - unless she found something under "neck breaking" that mentioned a shovel.  Pure evil.  I hope the G & C realize now how dangerous she was all these years!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 07:09:16 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

He did say "years back"

The Nigerian scam and poker stuff was recent. The way I heard it - he was referring to ancient history.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 07:10:16 PM
Garbage, trash.   Why is that so amusing to Baez and Casey?  It's insignificant.

It's probably their pet names for each other.
::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Best line yet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

That's not all that doesn't compute.  31 days.  June 16 to July 15 = 30 days.

Father's Day, June 15 to July 15 = 31 days.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Samarie on June 05, 2011, 07:13:45 PM
I've been thinking about all the scenarios surrounding Caylee's cause of death and the evidence found at the remains site. While I don't doubt KC was capable of drugging Caylee so she could go out and party, I'm not certain it has anything to do with Caylee's death. Neither did an accidental drowning. KC is cruel and heartless, as is obvious by her reactions, or lack of them in court during testimonies, by family, friends and professionals involved in the case.

There has been a lot of discussion lately about the "death band" on the hair found in the sunfire's trunk and the hair attached to the duct tape found at the remains site. If Caylee was deceased when the tape was placed over her nose and mouth it was over kill because she would have likely been placed on her back, her hair would have fallen away from her face, and there wouldn't be so much hair attached to the duct tape...even if there was, some of the hairs would also exhibit the "death banding."

I think KC tortured Caylee, I think Caylee struggled and fought for her life while her mother placed those 3 strips of duct tape over her face. I bet that baby squirmed and tossed her head back and forth to avoid the placement of the tape and that's why there is all that hair was attached to the tape. If there is a "lack" of "death bands" on the hair recovered from the tape at the crime scene vs the hair still attached to her skull, one could surmise that Caylee probably pulled some of her own hair out in her attempt to either remove the tape (if her hands weren't tied) or she pulled some out as a result of the struggle between her and her evil mother. Like everyone else here, I would like to believe that Caylee's death was peaceful and she didn't know what was happening, or who was hurting her, but after learning what I have about casey, I suspect Caylee's death was quite violent... ::MonkeyTears::

The syringe, the chloroform and other evidence found at the scene are simply smoke screens KC set up over the course of the 31 days to create reasonable doubt in the event Caylee was found and KC was charged. The computer search for chloroform was curiousity because of RM's myspace posting and yes, she may have drugged Caylee on several occasions, but I believe the household weapon and neck breaking searches were for C&G. JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
When do you guys think Baez found out Casey was really dead?

The day he met Casey and I also believe he knew exactly where Caylee was and let the world continue to look for her. 

I just don't understand how anyone, even Bozo, can defend & try to get a child killer off and not make them pay.  That speaks volumes about him.  I've gone back and forth and I really just can't wrap my mind around it.  I wouldn't put it past him - the beginning I mean & that he let her little body lay there and let C & G suffer day after day.
Because our constitution says we are Innocent Until Proven Guilty if you can't afford a private attorney,one will be assigned to you  by the Public Defender's Office.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 07:16:26 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from mark 4:45.  George starts talking about going outside every night to look at the moon and stars.  (I remember him telling someone that he always did that with Caylee before she went to bed.)  Watch KC's reaction.  Interesting.  I have to wonder if George might've been able to reach her had he been given a chance to meet with her.  But, of course, Jose made sure that didn't happen.

Prior to this she's just acting all sweet because she wants him to find a way to get her bailed out...she is that calculated.  Her reaction when he speaks of looking at the moon & the stars is her knowing she killed Caylee & she isnt coming back.  Those few brief seconds she actually had guilt as she listens to her father miss Caylee & right after telling her how much it is killing her mother, IMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Beth... not sure how she planned to off the parents, but she researched a few possibilities...chloroform...neck breaking..household weapons....and the one that puzzles me the most..shovel....
who the hell has to google shovel?

Have no clue.  I just google shovel and saw lots of shovel?

Could she have tried to type in something else with hovel but put s instead of a different letter?

Def hovel...small shed.
Also found this:
http://www.myspace.com/hoveledinswine


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/george.jpg)


 ::monkeyblink::

Is that a real screen shot ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
For me, sometimes the simplest explanations are the most logical. KC lived in the now, made up stuff as she went along. She was bright enough to make up her intricate lies, but not bright enough to dispose of the body somewhere she would never be located. She also disposed of the baby's body with all the stuff from home, leading right back to her... The principle of Occam's razor applies..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 07:21:51 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


I think KC thought of a number of ways to frame others.  Jessee, abandoned car/kidnapping, there was another one, too, but I can't recall it right now.

Shes a twisted, deeply disturbed person.  We can't "rationalize" why a deeply disturbed person does.

Does anyone else recall:  there was a photo of a piece of duct tape (the piece least deterioated) that had a needle hole in it.  Anyone other that me that remembers a photo like that?

The duct tape over the nose and mouth is enough to declare "homocide" and is enough to declare as a "murder weapon" as no human being could survive with duct tape over their nose and mouth.

I wonder if the search for "household weapons" turned up "duct tape".   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
Hi Snoops! I have been wondering myself why the arguement hasn't been brought up.Rick was pretty informative. Too bad he quit posting!I wonder if the arguement hasn't been brought up due to the fact that Shirley would then have to come in to testify about the stolen money???

Rick's posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0

Thanks klaas...was cool to read them again...been a long time..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Samarie on June 05, 2011, 07:24:02 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


I think KC thought of a number of ways to frame others.  Jessee, abandoned car/kidnapping, there was another one, too, but I can't recall it right now.

Shes a twisted, deeply disturbed person.  We can't "rationalize" why a deeply disturbed person does.

Does anyone else recall:  there was a photo of a piece of duct tape (the piece least deterioated) that had a needle hole in it.  Anyone other that me that remembers a photo like that?

The duct tape over the nose and mouth is enough to declare "homocide" and is enough to declare as a "murder weapon" as no human being could survive with duct tape over their nose and mouth.

I wonder if the search for "household weapons" turned up "duct tape".   

If it did and she visited a site, it would show up in the computer forensic evidence...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 07:24:09 PM
That's a 100 percent real George facial expression, Blonde. No photoshop required! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 07:25:02 PM
Hi Snoops! I have been wondering myself why the arguement hasn't been brought up.Rick was pretty informative. Too bad he quit posting!I wonder if the arguement hasn't been brought up due to the fact that Shirley would then have to come in to testify about the stolen money???

Rick's posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0

An email exchange between Rick and Cindy ....

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155431.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:29:48 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.

was it Jessie's syringe? did they do touch DNA on it?  ::MonkeyEek::


OHHH I think it had trace evidence of steroids in it. Jesse Grund had been surrounded with the rumors about taking steroids.

No link in my head


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

It could also be the affair he had when he was separated from Cindy, others have reported the incident with his father, truthfully Im not sure what it could be but I dont give it a ton of concern either.   Casey's defense as her attorney put forward in opening statement is not only ridiculous & foul but falling apart.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Ya'll take a breather.  I'm only on page 75.  Multitasking. lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
When this first started, I wondered if Caylee could have drowned & Casey acted the way she did due to post trauma. Then I thought about it deeper after tge duct tape was found on her skull. If Caylee drowned, that duct tape would have had to be wrapped completely around her head in order for the tape to stick, it would have had to overlap bc it wouldn't stick to wet hair. Then I thought well maybe her body dried out first before it was applied but that didn't make sense bc rigor would set in and a partial time of stiffness. After 24-48 hours it would have become more pliable but the tape wouldn't have been able to stick due to the natural larvae & acids erroding the cadaver. Therefore, I deduce, the tape had to be applied before she died or else she couldn't have drowned & maybe the tape was applied right after death to prevent insect activity...which is stupid bc it would happen anyway. Now there is no way I believe Caylee drowned...not unless she had duct tape placed over her mouth & then drowned. Remember the tape didn't go all the way around her head but it had to be on tight enough to stick & leave a tooth impression. Hmmm...something to think about.

I do not remember reading/hearing anything about a tooth impression, but I may have missed that, it has been a very long 3 years.

I remember when reading that about a tooth depression, it made me sick because that meant she tried to chew her way out of the duct tape.

Do we know if the "tood depression" was made on the "inside" of the duct tape near the mouth area?  Or...was it made on the end of the tape, indicating that KC tore the tape with her teeth?



 ::MonkeyEek::OMG so the drug wore off and she was alive in trash bags in the dirt please NO ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: _icey_ on June 05, 2011, 07:36:12 PM
Hi monks, I don't know if any of you have seen videos but I thought I'd share them with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhl3ubGwC8U <---48 Hours Mystery - The Untold Story of Caylee Anthony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaBIrvd1lEA&feature=related <--Caylee's Memorial

http://www.youtube.com/user/mianabanana <---a channel on youtube with tons of videos on/of the Anthony family.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

He did say "years back"

The Nigerian scam and poker stuff was recent. The way I heard it - he was referring to ancient history.

Shoving his father through a plate-glass window??



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


I think KC thought of a number of ways to frame others.  Jessee, abandoned car/kidnapping, there was another one, too, but I can't recall it right now.

Shes a twisted, deeply disturbed person.  We can't "rationalize" why a deeply disturbed person does.

Does anyone else recall:  there was a photo of a piece of duct tape (the piece least deterioated) that had a needle hole in it.  Anyone other that me that remembers a photo like that?

The duct tape over the nose and mouth is enough to declare "homocide" and is enough to declare as a "murder weapon" as no human being could survive with duct tape over their nose and mouth.

I wonder if the search for "household weapons" turned up "duct tape".   

If it did and she visited a site, it would show up in the computer forensic evidence...

I'm not googling household weapons.....NOT...
 ::boxinggeraldo2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Interesting...looks like an off brand of carpet stain remover under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle. The "cleaner" can appears to have one of those built in scrubby thingies on the cap. All the times I've viewed evidence photos and I never picked up on it before. I think Casey may have tried to clean up the car before Cindy did, she should have done a computer search, such as "how to get a death smell out of a car." ::MonkeyNoNo::

that kiwi bottle under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle is a sneaker or shoe cleaner, i think.  Kiwi makes shoe polishes and I think I've owned that same bottle of sneaker cleaner before.  Maybe how KC got the mud off her shoes when she tossed Caylee in the woods?


A lot more pictures of this trash at link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9921.80


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

It could also be the affair he had when he was separated from Cindy, others have reported the incident with his father, truthfully Im not sure what it could be but I dont give it a ton of concern either.   Casey's defense as her attorney put forward in opening statement is not only ridiculous & foul but falling apart.

Am thinking that the defense is going to call "River" as a witness.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:44:47 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.


I think KC thought of a number of ways to frame others.  Jessee, abandoned car/kidnapping, there was another one, too, but I can't recall it right now.

Shes a twisted, deeply disturbed person.  We can't "rationalize" why a deeply disturbed person does.

Does anyone else recall:  there was a photo of a piece of duct tape (the piece least deterioated) that had a needle hole in it.  Anyone other that me that remembers a photo like that?

The duct tape over the nose and mouth is enough to declare "homocide" and is enough to declare as a "murder weapon" as no human being could survive with duct tape over their nose and mouth.

I wonder if the search for "household weapons" turned up "duct tape".   
I posted lots of evidence pictures today is it here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9921.80


I feel like a SM Mod again  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Puzzler on June 05, 2011, 07:45:31 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.

was it Jessie's syringe? did they do touch DNA on it?  ::MonkeyEek::


OHHH I think it had trace evidence of steroids in it. Jesse Grund had been surrounded with the rumors about taking steroids.

No link in my head

Blonde...that's the way I recall it, too.  There were trace evidence of steroids in the syringe (along with chloroform) and put that together with KC showing up a Jesse's one day, asking to take a bath, it was theorized that KC got a used syringe from Jesse's trash and used that to set-up Jesse.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: carpe noctem on June 05, 2011, 07:47:25 PM

Ooh, something to look forward to? ::HelloKitty::
---------
Rick
United States Reply »
|Report Abuse |#795 Monday Aug 18
Countrygirl wrote:
<quoted>

George was a homicide detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's office until leaving Niles to move to Florida. There IS a
reason he didn't persue LE in Florida, it will come out at Casey's trial.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 07:49:06 PM
Janet I thought is was Arm & Hammer laundry detergent  that they had in the back of their car?



You could be right.  I will do a little googling (sounds obscene).  I thought I had compiled backup for all points in my theory but ... not the baking soda/baking powerder that I recollected was found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle.

While growing up ... I remember that an open box of baking soda to absorb odor was a constant in our fridge.  However ... it is something I have never done in my own home.

Janet


(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/87-09jj.jpg)

Blonde - TY


Interesting...looks like an off brand of carpet stain remover under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle. The "cleaner" can appears to have one of those built in scrubby thingies on the cap. All the times I've viewed evidence photos and I never picked up on it before. I think Casey may have tried to clean up the car before Cindy did, she should have done a computer search, such as "how to get a death smell out of a car." ::MonkeyNoNo::

that kiwi bottle under the Arm & Hammer detergent bottle is a sneaker or shoe cleaner, i think.  Kiwi makes shoe polishes and I think I've owned that same bottle of sneaker cleaner before.  Maybe how KC got the mud off her shoes when she tossed Caylee in the woods?


A lot more pictures of this trash at link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9921.80


Tks.....
You can see the whole in the long duct tape....2 pic's.. ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 07:49:33 PM
hole.......ooops ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: shy-monkey on June 05, 2011, 07:53:10 PM
Hey monkeys... curious what you think about Casey getting so upset during the jailhouse video, when she claims nobody is letting her speak.  1.) if she really killed Caylee and is lying about it, what is there for her to get upset about? 2.) if Caylee really did accidentally drowned, and she refused to just admit it, what is there for her to get upset about? I mean, her lying is outrageous enough, but to then get worked up to that extreme because people are supposedly not listening to her or misconstruing everything she's saying....  it really makes no sense. It does seem that she's upset for real, not just fake tears... but why?

Just a guess, but I think she had spent the last 2 years 10 months playing the Caylee card to walk all over her parents knowing they wouldn't risk Caylee's safety no matter what Casey did. I think she assumed she could just tell her parents she had to be out if they were ever to find Caylee making her parents bail her out asap. Instead all her inconsistencies and lies were being uncovered and she found herself still in jail with her parents questioning her on not only the lies but also on leads, she knew were pointless. 

I think she was that upset because her normal tactics had failed, the ones where she says and they just believe her. This time people were verifying everything she said and finding it all lies. I'm sure in her head it was her parents fault for listening to anyone but her, also she didn't have a back up plan.

If I remember right it was very shortly after that, that the whole kidnapped Caylee developed the *harm Caylee and/or her family* tone putting her back in the drivers seat. Nobody wanted to risk Caylee being harmed by the kidnappers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
I've always wonder about KC's cooking up of chloroform.  Did she do this in Cindy's kitchen?  Wouldn't the house smell afterwards?  Did Cindy or George come home one day and notice a strange odor and wonder where it was coming from?  Did she use Cindy's pots and pans?  How did she safely whip up a batch of chloroform without inhaling it herself? 

I found this also  ::MonkeyEek::
Chloroform
      Dosage:    not known, just put a splash onto a rag
      Time:      several minutes probably
      Available: not known
      Certainty: good
      Notes:     If you tape the rag over your mouth so that you get knocked
         out, you woukd die as you continue getting the stuff into your lungs.

Why would she use a syringe when  putting a cloth to her mouth would be easier.
 Unless to frame Jessy Grund because it was his syringe Casey took from his apartment when she left the door open to take a shower.

was it Jessie's syringe? did they do touch DNA on it?  ::MonkeyEek::


OHHH I think it had trace evidence of steroids in it. Jesse Grund had been surrounded with the rumors about taking steroids.

No link in my head

Blonde...that's the way I recall it, too.  There were trace evidence of steroids in the syringe (along with chloroform) and put that together with KC showing up a Jesse's one day, asking to take a bath, it was theorized that KC got a used syringe from Jesse's trash and used that to set-up Jesse.



Including in the new evidence yesterday was dozens of pictures taken from where Caylee’s remains were found. There was also some DNA analysis results released too.

Documents released say that a Gatorade Cool Blue Sports bottle was found near Caylee’s remains. A plastic bag labeled “Disposable Syringe Kit” with a syringe was found inside the bottle. There were some traces of chloroform found inside the syringe along with testosterone, ethanol and water. ::snipping2::

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b2CLpsLkfk8J:www.bloggernews.net/122897+There+were+trace+evidence+of+steroids+in+the+syringe+(along+with+chloroform)&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/10909jui.jpg) ::MonkeyNoNo::
Looks like teeth marks


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 08:01:33 PM
Blonde do you remember which video it was with  SUICIDE question to  Yuri?????
 ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/10909jui.jpg) ::MonkeyNoNo::
Looks like teeth marks

kk, not that it's blown up....sad thou looking at it....  ::MonkeyShocked::
::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:05:02 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Caylee%20Anthony%20%20-FL-/Evidence/10909jui.jpg) ::MonkeyNoNo::
Looks like teeth marks
Thoughts Please
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/evidence/teethmarks.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 08:06:37 PM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/04/20/200031-reasons-i-believe-casey-is-guilty/
200,031 Reasons I believe Casey is Guilty


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
Blonde do you remember which video it was with  SUICIDE question to  Yuri?????
 ::boxingbaez2::
looking now


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:12:30 PM
Blonde do you remember which video it was with  SUICIDE question to  Yuri?????
 ::boxingbaez2::
looking now

http://www.wftv.com/video/27056991/index.html

Det. Yuri Melich on the stand. Baez questioning.

She tells you that she had known Zanny for 4 years? Yes, almost 4 years. She tells you that she was introduced to Zanny by Jeffrey Michael Hopkins, when you question her about Jeffrey Michael Hopkins she cannot give you any info on him? Yes, she told me he worked at Universal. Baez is going in circles I can't make sense enough of his questions to type them.


 Asking about the Sim cards? Det Melich says he was just trying to confirm the info about the Sims cards. You state has she spoke to anyone else and


 she says Juliette Lewis, she states she is one of my co-workers at Universal Studios. You then to go on to ask her about a phone number for Juliette? Yes. Then she tells you she is in New York and doesn't work at Universal anymore? Yes. But she has no number for this person? She said she didn't have one. Did you tell her this makes no sense? I can't tell you what I felt, I can't tell you this was unique. She only gave you two outcry witnesses and you weren't think at that specific moment that was unique? Sustained. You did nothing to identify these two individuals did you? Yes, I went to Universal. You ask her if she has a drug problem about cocaine,meth ecstasy and prescriptions narcotics? Yes. Then you ask her if she ever COMMITTED SUICIDE? Yuri says no, cuz then she would be dead. Laughter and Baez changes it to attempting to commit suicide? Yuri says yes. Baez asks if he asked her if she had been to Lakeside (mental health facility)? Yes. Did you ask her all of this because something just wasn't right? I asked her because it was a normal way to proceed with an interview. Asked about Casey having seizures, objection sustained. Do you have a copy of your report sir? No. Baez is showing Linda something. Baez is done............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: pharlap on June 05, 2011, 08:16:50 PM
Blonde do you remember which video it was with  SUICIDE question to  Yuri?????
 ::boxingbaez2::
looking now

http://www.wftv.com/video/27056991/index.html

Det. Yuri Melich on the stand. Baez questioning.

She tells you that she had known Zanny for 4 years? Yes, almost 4 years. She tells you that she was introduced to Zanny by Jeffrey Michael Hopkins, when you question her about Jeffrey Michael Hopkins she cannot give you any info on him? Yes, she told me he worked at Universal. Baez is going in circles I can't make sense enough of his questions to type them.


 Asking about the Sim cards? Det Melich says he was just trying to confirm the info about the Sims cards. You state has she spoke to anyone else and


 she says Juliette Lewis, she states she is one of my co-workers at Universal Studios. You then to go on to ask her about a phone number for Juliette? Yes. Then she tells you she is in New York and doesn't work at Universal anymore? Yes. But she has no number for this person? She said she didn't have one. Did you tell her this makes no sense? I can't tell you what I felt, I can't tell you this was unique. She only gave you two outcry witnesses and you weren't think at that specific moment that was unique? Sustained. You did nothing to identify these two individuals did you? Yes, I went to Universal. You ask her if she has a drug problem about cocaine,meth ecstasy and prescriptions narcotics? Yes. Then you ask her if she ever COMMITTED SUICIDE? Yuri says no, cuz then she would be dead. Laughter and Baez changes it to attempting to commit suicide? Yuri says yes. Baez asks if he asked her if she had been to Lakeside (mental health facility)? Yes. Did you ask her all of this because something just wasn't right? I asked her because it was a normal way to proceed with an interview. Asked about Casey having seizures, objection sustained. Do you have a copy of your report sir? No. Baez is showing Linda something. Baez is done............

Tks.......... ::MonkeyAngel::
Going to copy that.....
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 05, 2011, 08:18:35 PM
Casey Anthony trial QOD: Who is Jose Baez?

snipped..

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Baez is not without his own closet full of skeletons.

Jose Angel Baez was born in Puerto Rico in 1969. Baez told reporters he grew up in the Bronx and South Florida with his mother, a single parent. He dropped out of Homestead High School in ninth grade.

He married at 17, became a father, earned a GED diploma and joined the Navy in 1986.

According to his résumé, Baez spent three years assigned to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Norfolk, Va., trained as an intelligence analyst with what he described as a “Cosmic Top Secret” security clearance.

Upon his discharge from the military, he attended Miami-Dade Community College and graduated from Florida State University. A black belt in tae kwon do, Baez competed with the karate, pistol and crime-scene team from FSU’s chapter of Lambda Alpha Epsilon, a fraternity of criminology majors.

Continued..


http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-trial-qod-who-is-jose-baez/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 08:19:22 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0223/18775668.pdf
-----februaury 2009------letter to padilla from david evans---

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/lettertopadilla.jpg)
looks like leonord padilla ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley:: has not learned his lesson yet!!
running his mouth..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on June 05, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
Casey Anthony trial: Legal experts question defense attorney Jose Baez's handling of case

efense attorney Jose Baez rocked the criminal-defense world — not to mention Orlando's legal community — when he told jurors in Casey Anthony's murder trial that the death of his client's daughter was not a murder but due to an accidental drowning.

He also blamed Anthony's lying on her family's deep dysfunction and the abuse she suffered at the hands of her father.

It was a spectacular way to start a trial. But since then, criminal-defense experts in Florida and the country have called Baez's opening statement in court a high-risk and dangerous move. After all, his client faces a possible death sentence if convicted of killing her young daughter.

Along with a series of courtroom bumblings played out on live TV, Baez's performance during the first two weeks of testimony has some observers wondering whether he knows what he is doing.

Continued..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-jose-baez-20110605,0,6426910.story


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 05, 2011, 08:30:18 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20498564,00.html
Nancy Grace Sounds Off on the Casey Anthony Murder Trial
By Steve Helling
Sunday June 05, 2011 04:00 PM EDT

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/110606/nancy-grace-320.jpg)
Nancy Grace (left) and Casey Anthony CNN/AP; Landov
During opening statements of the Casey Anthony murder trial, the prosecution wasted no time reminding jurors what the case was about: Prosecutors showed the last known photograph of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, followed by a jarring photo of the Florida toddler's skeletonized remains.

Sitting in the gallery, talk show host Nancy Grace gasped slightly, before dabbing at her eyes with a tissue. "It was horrific," Grace tells PEOPLE. "That instantly reminded everyone – including the jury – what's at stake in this case.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Has anyone found transcripts of the Opening Statements?

I would like to have a copy to download.

TIA.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
It is expected that Dr. Arpad Vass will testify this week regarding the air samples taken from the car.  Here's some background information regarding that science:

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v37_1_04/article_18.shtml





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 08:39:02 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-jose-baez-20110605,0,6426910.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-jose-baez-20110605,0,6426910.story)

Casey Anthony trial: Legal experts question defense attorney Jose Baez's handling of case

By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel

6:52 p.m. EDT, June 5, 2011

Defense attorney Jose Baez rocked the criminal-defense world — not to mention Orlando's legal community — when he told jurors in Casey Anthony's murder trial that the death of his client's daughter was not a murder but due to an accidental drowning.

He also blamed Anthony's lying on her family's deep dysfunction and the abuse she suffered at the hands of her father.

It was a spectacular way to start a trial. But since then, criminal-defense experts in Florida and the country have called Baez's opening statement in court a high-risk and dangerous move. After all, his client faces a possible death sentence if convicted of killing her young daughter.

Along with a series of courtroom bumblings played out on live TV, Baez's performance during the first two weeks of testimony has some observers wondering whether he knows what he is doing.

"The defense's handling of this case is not representative in any way of the standard I hold my profession to," says Mark NeJame, longtime Orlando attorney and legal analyst for WKMG-Channel 6. NeJame at one time represented Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 08:39:06 PM
Has anyone found transcripts of the Opening Statements?

I would like to have a copy to download.

TIA.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Check out this link http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-1.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: tupelohoney on June 05, 2011, 08:53:37 PM
In regard to the teeth marks on the duct tape....wouldn't they run horizontal rather than verticle? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Sister on June 05, 2011, 08:57:17 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0223/18775668.pdf
-----februaury 2009------letter to padilla from david evans---

(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z406/sillywabbit2/lettertopadilla.jpg)
looks like leonord padilla ::CowboySmiley:: ::CowboySmiley:: has not learned his lesson yet!!
running his mouth..
http://www.bloggernews.net/125906
Casey Anthony Case Update: Kronk’s Past Indiscretions Ruled Inadmissible
Posted on January 21st, 2011
by Jan Barrett in Society and Culture, crime



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Brandi on June 05, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
Has anyone found transcripts of the Opening Statements?

I would like to have a copy to download.

TIA.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Check out this link http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-1.html

Thanks, Blonde, it's good, but not quite what I want.

I am looking for transcripts of the entire statements without commentary.

Appreciate the link though!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 05, 2011, 09:09:17 PM
anyone know anything about? that baez has a bombshell in closing? a guest on simon baretts radio show said that and when I asked about it! he said:

not sure Attorney Morgan was a guest on
Monsters in the morning, Russ ask how the defense. is going to
get out of this, then Morgan said that!

couldnt find link? anyone know anything about it?

Well if it is as idiotic, as meandering all over the place as his opening statement it should have little effect on the jury.

I think most of the time when he gets up to cross examine the witness the jury is left, just like the person on the witness stand is left thinking..Oh Lordy..what was that confusing conversation all about?  i think they are getting to the point they are almost ignoring him because he confuses the heck out of everyone and he makes no sense.

If he has a bombshell he should have dropped during the opening and kept it coming all the way through.  I see nothing of substance there..not even when e trys to discredit the witness..he's got nothing. 

The bombshell will be that Casey is looney tunes and will murder again unless she is put away for life...now that's the way it shuld go.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: 4 Donks on June 05, 2011, 09:10:19 PM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days.htm

Detailed archive of Casey Anthony's 31 Days

Really great time line with cell activity etc.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 09:13:13 PM
Gypsy DD  Yes I think Bozo only liked to plea bargain, but Cayse said no and he saw $$$

Turbo  Amy was a practice run with the Chlorophorm.  G & C was gonna get theirs.  JMHO

flamom  You got multitasking down!  I'm proud of you. lol

beth1970  I think Bozo knew early on that Caylee was dead.  Surely he did not buy into all of Casey's lies and still does?  Of course I think he's a lot like Casey so maybe so.  I sure don't think he cares about Caylee one bit.

akmom  Are you done with the garden and shearing sheep?  Hurry up girl. ol

Island Monkey &  Zoomom  posters like you make SM great. 

Blonde.....You are amazing. 

Klaas..........What can I say.  The thought of you being ignored makes me laugh out loud.  No way woman.

darla  Thank you about the death band explanation.

Turbo I agree.  Casey loved hurting Cindy.  That's one of the reasons why Caylee is dead.  Could explain why Cindy was acting so crazy.  She knows Casey killed Caylee to spite her.  I'm sure Cindy feels responsible.  That would drive anyone out of their mind.

babybear I read you. lol

Janet  you're always read.

Cubbeegirl hope your migraine is better.

shymonkey.......pet names.....too funny.  trash and garbage.

beth1970  I thought immunity also meant that it coldn't be admitted into court.  don't know.

Magnolia I didn't know that about chlorophorm.  Thank oyu.  And Criminal Minds is one of my favorite shows.  Don't care so much for the new one though.

Samarie  OMG I hope that is not how Caylee died.

Klaas thank you for Rick's post.

icey  Thank you for those links.  I'll try to watch them later.

Now I'm caught up, and that was exhausting. lol

Hubby just informed me that a new Ice road truckers is coming on.  I think that's my que.  haha

P.S.

Trash = dry things such as boxes, cans, cardboard, etc.
Garbage = wet things such as food, etc.

Witnesses were just keeping Bozo straight.  Most of the stuff in the trash bag = trash.
Yes I googled. haha  I didn't know there was a difference.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
KC could have (sorry in advance) broken the baby's neck and duct taped her right afterwards to close her mouth. We just will never know. That would be before decomposition

I have always had a feeling she broke her neck. Not because of her looking up neck breaking as I did not even know that until long after I said I felt that was the way she died. When a child's neck is broken there is ONLY skin to hold it on her shoulders and with a complete break it would fall over terribly. Maybe the tape was to keep her head from falling off her little body as the skin broke loose.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Blonde on June 05, 2011, 09:36:49 PM
Has anyone found transcripts of the Opening Statements?

I would like to have a copy to download.

TIA.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Check out this link http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/05/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-1.html

Thanks, Blonde, it's good, but not quite what I want.

I am looking for transcripts of the entire statements without commentary.

Appreciate the link though!
I want one too. let me know if you get the real one


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 09:38:54 PM
Casey Anthony trial QOD: Who is Jose Baez?

snipped..

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Baez is not without his own closet full of skeletons.

Jose Angel Baez was born in Puerto Rico in 1969. Baez told reporters he grew up in the Bronx and South Florida with his mother, a single parent. He dropped out of Homestead High School in ninth grade.

He married at 17, became a father, earned a GED diploma and joined the Navy in 1986.

According to his résumé, Baez spent three years assigned to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Norfolk, Va., trained as an intelligence analyst with what he described as a “Cosmic Top Secret” security clearance.

Upon his discharge from the military, he attended Miami-Dade Community College and graduated from Florida State University. A black belt in tae kwon do, Baez competed with the karate, pistol and crime-scene team from FSU’s chapter of Lambda Alpha Epsilon, a fraternity of criminology majors.

Continued..


http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2011/06/05/casey-anthony-trial-qod-who-is-jose-baez/

For eight years after he graduated from law school, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cited unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other “financial irresponsibility” up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed “a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law.”

And he still has this lack of respect until today.............I bet the bar regrets the day they decided to allow him to practice law.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 09:41:43 PM
Thanks to everyone for the great links and pics!
And thank you to snoopy for for being an all inclusive monkey!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 09:44:19 PM
I have been searching through this link looking for assorted stuff
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/forensic-evidence/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/forensic-evidence/)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 05, 2011, 09:45:00 PM
If Caylee was deceased when the tape was placed over her nose and mouth it was over kill because she would have likely been placed on her back, her hair would have fallen away from her face, and there wouldn't be so much hair attached to the duct tape...even if there was, some of the hairs would also exhibit the "death banding."

I think KC tortured Caylee, I think Caylee struggled and fought for her life while her mother placed those 3 strips of duct tape over her face. I bet that baby squirmed and tossed her head back and forth to avoid the placement of the tape and that's why there is all that hair was attached to the tape. If there is a "lack" of "death bands" on the hair recovered from the tape at the crime scene vs the hair still attached to her skull, one could surmise that Caylee probably pulled some of her own hair out in her attempt to either remove the tape (if her hands weren't tied) or she pulled some out as a result of the struggle between her and her evil mother. Like everyone else here, I would like to believe that Caylee's death was peaceful and she didn't know what was happening, or who was hurting her, but after learning what I have about casey, I suspect Caylee's death was quite violent... ::MonkeyTears::

The syringe, the chloroform and other evidence found at the scene are simply smoke screens KC set up over the course of the 31 days to create reasonable doubt in the event Caylee was found and KC was charged. The computer search for chloroform was curiousity because of RM's myspace posting and yes, she may have drugged Caylee on several occasions, but I believe the household weapon and neck breaking searches were for C&G. JMO

I have not thought about the hair attached to the tape before. The more we learn the more I get the feeling it may have been violent too.

I got the creeps big time when Doc Vass testified that the amount of chloroform that he was exposed to made him jump back like he did.... after hearing that I started thinking maybe she dumped the car because she was afraid the amount of chloro would get to her while driving it... maybe she not only used it to knock Caylee out when she needed to but also to help clean the trunk and maybe that's why the amount was so high. It's all speculation and she may have simply dumped the car after giving up on getting rid of the smell. Seems the amount of chloro Dr Vass was exposed to and the amounts Tony and friends were exposed to while riding in the car would be different...if it was that strong in the trunk, wouldn't you be exposed to inside the car? If it's strong enough wouldn't it be a hazard to people driving around in it? I've hauled trash in the car trunk and clean laundry and even a christmas tree and whatever is in there I can smell in the car. If the chloro was that strong in the trunk, maybe it's a sign that she used it to clean it later, after the car ride where Tony and friends were riding with her in the sunfire? Maybe she didn't just use to to knock out Caylee or whatever but also to clean it?

I can't wait to hear Doc Vass again.

I can't stand it whenever the news shows clips of kc rough housing with Caylee. After leaning more towards thinking her murder being violent, it's disturbing to me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 05, 2011, 09:45:31 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 09:49:55 PM
Quote
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story

 

Ooh, something to look forward to? ::HelloKitty::
---------
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|Report Abuse |#795 Monday Aug 18
Countrygirl wrote:
<quoted>

George was a homicide detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's office until leaving Niles to move to Florida. There IS a
reason he didn't persue LE in Florida, it will come out at Casey's trial.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0
My take on what he said is that at some point in his past (and Casey apparently knew about this incident), G had to have a bond hearing at which time the particulars were worked out prior to his appearance in court just as they were when KC had her bond hearing.  I'm thinking whatever happened tarnished his record to the point that he can no longer work in LE.  If Bozo has done any homework at all, he's well aware of this and will introduce it during his defense of KC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: theboyzmom on June 05, 2011, 09:57:09 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.

I mentioned this debate to my hubs and he (scarily) knew this already. But he read the dictionary for fun. sick boy!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 05, 2011, 09:58:51 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.
Well, that would mean it would be less likely to produce an odor, right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 09:59:31 PM
It is expected that Dr. Arpad Vass will testify this week regarding the air samples taken from the car.  Here's some background information regarding that science:

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/v37_1_04/article_18.shtml


Thanks for this article.....................

At the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility (dubbed the Body Farm), Vass and his colleagues found that donated dead bodies lying on the surface or buried in shallow graves emitted more than 400 different volatile compounds. The researchers are honing in on groups of chemicals that are consistently emitted for each stage of decomposition: fresh, bloated, decayed, and skeletonized.

"We identified fluorinated compounds coming out as vapors from buried bodies," Vass says. "Since Americans drink fluorinated water, it may be possible that, as dead bodies decompose, fluorine combines with hydrocarbon compounds, generating an odor. We'd like to test whether cadaver dogs key in on these compounds."

At the UT facility, ORNL researchers collect vapors from a 2.5-ft-deep grave outfitted with perforated pipes, sampling ports, a video camera for visual monitoring of a body as it decomposes, and a capture hood containing a triple-sorbent trap system developed in ORNL's Chemical Sciences Division—a metal cylinder loaded with carbon granules that bind lightweight, medium-size, and large molecules. The collected vapors are desorbed from the carbon trap and analyzed by a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer at ORNL.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:02:24 PM

My take on what he said is that at some point in his past (and Casey apparently knew about this incident), G had to have a bond hearing at which time the particulars were worked out prior to his appearance in court just as they were when KC had her bond hearing.  I'm thinking whatever happened tarnished his record to the point that he can no longer work in LE.  If Bozo has done any homework at all, he's well aware of this and will introduce it during his defense of KC.

I would guess it was when he threw his father through a plate glass window at the car dealership.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cadillac on June 05, 2011, 10:06:13 PM
Wow - so much to digest here today.  Been trying to catch up for awhile...

I don't remember who brought it up, maybe several monks, but if caylee was killed the night of the 15th or the early am of the 16th, then why would george testify that he saw casey and caylee off to "work" on the afternoon the 16th, when casey was going to her pretend job?

I can't wrap myself around an answer to that one.  Why?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: mgoblue on June 05, 2011, 10:07:10 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

It could also be the affair he had when he was separated from Cindy, others have reported the incident with his father, truthfully Im not sure what it could be but I dont give it a ton of concern either.   Casey's defense as her attorney put forward in opening statement is not only ridiculous & foul but falling apart.

Am thinking that the defense is going to call "River" as a witness.


Hi Monekys  ::MonkeyGavel::  I think they will call River.  I've also wondered if she was a working for Baez from the beginning.  Thoughts?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:07:18 PM
Has anyone found transcripts of the Opening Statements?

I would like to have a copy to download.

TIA.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Brandi

I have yet to find any full transcripts posted of the opening statements ... just videos.

Janet

+++++


Casey Murder Trial Brings Tears, Blame And Shame
Opening Statements: Jose Baez - Drane-Burdick
Witness: George Anthony
DAY 12: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28001858/detail.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:08:22 PM
(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/kc-experiment2.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 05, 2011, 10:08:42 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.

Thank you klaas and Snoopy for the lesson on trash vs garbage.... I, like many others had  no clue...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 10:09:53 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20498564,00.html
Nancy Grace Sounds Off on the Casey Anthony Murder Trial
By Steve Helling
Sunday June 05, 2011 04:00 PM EDT

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2011/news/110606/nancy-grace-320.jpg)
Nancy Grace (left) and Casey Anthony CNN/AP; Landov
During opening statements of the Casey Anthony murder trial, the prosecution wasted no time reminding jurors what the case was about: Prosecutors showed the last known photograph of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, followed by a jarring photo of the Florida toddler's skeletonized remains.

Sitting in the gallery, talk show host Nancy Grace gasped slightly, before dabbing at her eyes with a tissue. "It was horrific," Grace tells PEOPLE. "That instantly reminded everyone – including the jury – what's at stake in this case.
 ::snipping2::

From the same article"

"She was a party girl, and now she's here in court dressed like an elementary school librarian," Grace says. 'You know what? We can see right through her."

You bet we can  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
The only thing I can find on the syringe is below..
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html)

Posted: 9:21 am EST November 6, 2009
Updated: 10:52 am EST November 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Over 2,000 pages of new documents were released Friday, including information that Casey Anthony may have had a bottle full of chloroform and a used syringe.

The newly-released documents are shedding new light on the evidence prosecutors are using to build their case against Casey Anthony including details about the evidence at the scene where Caylee's body was discovered.

At the scene where investigators found Caylee Anthony’s remains, they recovered a Disney bag that contained a Cool Blue Gatorade bottle. Even after the six months from time Caylee was last seen alive and the time her remains were found, the bottle contained a liquid that still smelled of household chemicals and a used syringe.

In the documents there was a bombshell of evidence:

Tests from the FBI show chloroform was in the bottle and in the syringe.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
Quote
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story

 

Ooh, something to look forward to? ::HelloKitty::
---------
Rick
United States Reply »
|Report Abuse |#795 Monday Aug 18
Countrygirl wrote:
<quoted>

George was a homicide detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's office until leaving Niles to move to Florida. There IS a
reason he didn't persue LE in Florida, it will come out at Casey's trial.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0
My take on what he said is that at some point in his past (and Casey apparently knew about this incident), G had to have a bond hearing at which time the particulars were worked out prior to his appearance in court just as they were when KC had her bond hearing.  I'm thinking whatever happened tarnished his record to the point that he can no longer work in LE.  If Bozo has done any homework at all, he's well aware of this and will introduce it during his defense of KC.

I do not see how he can introduce anything like this, as both sides had a deadline to when to submit their evidence by, and we have not seen a darn thing from their side, and they cannot have a trial by ambush, so if they even start it, Jeff/Linda will be up out of the seats in a heartbeat objecting.  There would have had to be depos with the state with whomever he plans to use to further this evidence, etc. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 05, 2011, 10:28:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6REw5KziV0I

News Video about the bottle and syringe.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 05, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Wow - so much to digest here today.  Been trying to catch up for awhile...

I don't remember who brought it up, maybe several monks, but if caylee was killed the night of the 15th or the early am of the 16th, then why would george testify that he saw casey and caylee off to "work" on the afternoon the 16th, when casey was going to her pretend job?

I can't wrap myself around an answer to that one.  Why?

cadillac

My theory implies that George was telling the truth pertaining to the events encompassing the morning of June 16th.

It is my contention that Caylee met her demised later that afternoon back in her own home met her demise prior the 15 minute flurry of attempted cell phone calls that  began at 4:00 PM ... attempted cell phone calls that originated from Casey to her parents.

However ... until the truth has been revealed ... until parents cease abetting their grown daughter ... until grandparents are willing to put justice for their granddaughter as a priority ... Monkeys will continue to speculate.

Janet



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 10:29:08 PM
The only thing I can find on the syringe is below..
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html)

Posted: 9:21 am EST November 6, 2009
Updated: 10:52 am EST November 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Over 2,000 pages of new documents were released Friday, including information that Casey Anthony may have had a bottle full of chloroform and a used syringe.

The newly-released documents are shedding new light on the evidence prosecutors are using to build their case against Casey Anthony including details about the evidence at the scene where Caylee's body was discovered.

At the scene where investigators found Caylee Anthony’s remains, they recovered a Disney bag that contained a Cool Blue Gatorade bottle. Even after the six months from time Caylee was last seen alive and the time her remains were found, the bottle contained a liquid that still smelled of household chemicals and a used syringe.

In the documents there was a bombshell of evidence:

Tests from the FBI show chloroform was in the bottle and in the syringe.
 ::snipping2::

In all the FBI dumps I was reading today, the only thing that came close to this was I assume was in this bottle, but it said it was urine.  I probably missed some or they were not released or something, though.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Cappuccino on June 05, 2011, 10:30:43 PM
The only thing I can find on the syringe is below..
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html)

Posted: 9:21 am EST November 6, 2009
Updated: 10:52 am EST November 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Over 2,000 pages of new documents were released Friday, including information that Casey Anthony may have had a bottle full of chloroform and a used syringe.

The newly-released documents are shedding new light on the evidence prosecutors are using to build their case against Casey Anthony including details about the evidence at the scene where Caylee's body was discovered.

At the scene where investigators found Caylee Anthony’s remains, they recovered a Disney bag that contained a Cool Blue Gatorade bottle. Even after the six months from time Caylee was last seen alive and the time her remains were found, the bottle contained a liquid that still smelled of household chemicals and a used syringe.

In the documents there was a bombshell of evidence:

Tests from the FBI show chloroform was in the bottle and in the syringe.
 ::snipping2::
::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:32:31 PM
Wow - so much to digest here today.  Been trying to catch up for awhile...

I don't remember who brought it up, maybe several monks, but if caylee was killed the night of the 15th or the early am of the 16th, then why would george testify that he saw casey and caylee off to "work" on the afternoon the 16th, when casey was going to her pretend job?

I can't wrap myself around an answer to that one.  Why?

I was the one who said that was what I thought. There are two explanations that could be. One he got his days mixed up. The second and most likely in my mind, he really believed KC at first and made that up to give her an alibi for that day. Then there is the possibility that she killed Caylee in her room and carried her out past George if he was in the other room, in the garage or watching TV in that laundry basket. There was the laundry detergent in her car and she could have told him she was going let "nanny" do Caylee's things today or never said anything at all if he didn't even see them. If he lied about going out to the car with her, then he really may never have seen Caylee at all that day. I have always felt he didn't because of the way he went on and on describing her clothing. Why he would lie about that I have not figured out unless KC lied to him and told him that she left her at the "nanny's" last night after her and Cindy got into it and she did not want to piss off Cindy again. He might have gone along with that since they had such a big uproar the night before to keep peace. Once he told Cindy that story he was locked into it forever.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 10:37:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6REw5KziV0I

News Video about the bottle and syringe.
Thank you Nick and Nora!!
I remember testoterone being mentioned but I wanted to be sure!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:39:02 PM
The only thing I can find on the syringe is below..
http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html)

Posted: 9:21 am EST November 6, 2009
Updated: 10:52 am EST November 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Over 2,000 pages of new documents were released Friday, including information that Casey Anthony may have had a bottle full of chloroform and a used syringe.

The newly-released documents are shedding new light on the evidence prosecutors are using to build their case against Casey Anthony including details about the evidence at the scene where Caylee's body was discovered.

At the scene where investigators found Caylee Anthony’s remains, they recovered a Disney bag that contained a Cool Blue Gatorade bottle. Even after the six months from time Caylee was last seen alive and the time her remains were found, the bottle contained a liquid that still smelled of household chemicals and a used syringe.

In the documents there was a bombshell of evidence:

Tests from the FBI show chloroform was in the bottle and in the syringe.
 ::snipping2::
::boxingcasey2::

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961870318840-16061236.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961870126900-16061232.jpg)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961871689200-16061222.jpg)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/23961870126900-16061232.jpg)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/gatoradewithroll.png)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 10:43:13 PM
I am not sure but I think this is the "death band" of Caylee's hair.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/fig22.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 10:45:19 PM
When the rest of the evidence is presented.. she is done.. the will be giving KC the needle..  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 10:50:41 PM
I am not sure but I think this is the "death band" of Caylee's hair.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/fig22.jpg)
Turbo you silly monkey.. I googled death band hair and this link came up
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800)
 try #810
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: bikerbev on June 05, 2011, 10:54:16 PM
Prosecutors showed the last known photograph of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, followed by a jarring photo of the Florida toddler's skeletonized remains.
*bolded by me
Was I asleep during opening statements when the prosecutors showed Caylee's remains?  I thought I watched the whole thing and I never heard this mentioned.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 10:57:28 PM
Prosecutors showed the last known photograph of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, followed by a jarring photo of the Florida toddler's skeletonized remains.
*bolded by me
Was I asleep during opening statements when the prosecutors showed Caylee's remains?  I thought I watched the whole thing and I never heard this mentioned.

They showed it on a screen in the courtroom but we weren't able to see them. I dont believe the judge allowed them to be broadcast


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 11:00:11 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.

xactly. lol  I think the state knew at that point when the csi people testified that Bozo would try to trip them up and be all stupid.  So they all made sure that they were very precise about everything.  Up here where I come from we call everything trash.  I just thought it unusual when both csi guys were ademant about trash/garbage so I looked it up. haha

I loved it to how all the LE / CSI people looked at the jury.  That sure set the defense off.       


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 11:02:11 PM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.
Well, that would mean it would be less likely to produce an odor, right?

That's what I take from it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: ZooMomology on June 05, 2011, 11:03:26 PM
what if kronk really did hear where the body was from his girlfriend who worked at the jail what if she overheard on purpose a private conversation casey had with bozo, could that blow the whole case?

"IF" that were true it might be an appeal factor, but if I am not mistaken the "story" that was told about that turned out to not be true at all. The "girlfriend" that was implicated IIRC did not even have access to the jail and was not really a "girlfriend."

I personally believe the man just had strong suspicions about where KC would have dumped her and followed up time after time because he wanted that baby to be found. I have a number of friends who live in Orlando area who spent countless hours searching for her body on their days off and in terrible conditions anytime they had who had no motive but to find her. It was not just him who was trying to connect the dots, but many people.

Most all the stories Padilla has told about all that are totally erroneous and I am not sure he should not be sued for telling much of it because I believe that is part of where bozo got his "tale tale" for court from.

"IF" where Caylee's body was placed was overheard in jail, if that conversation included Baez, isn't there a law that says an attorney has to disclose where such evidence (body) is?  Wouldn't he be in very deep trouble over this?


I think only if there is imminent danger to somebody if they do not tell, but since Caylee was dead, I do not think he would have to tell, but if he was supposed to tell, Bozo is a putz and thinks he is above the law.  Who would prove he knew it was there?   The bar would jsut say YET AGAIN, there is no evidence of anything and brush yet another complaint off.  The Forida Bar is stoppid, I must say.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: loca on June 05, 2011, 11:14:18 PM
klaasend
can you please ask blink why my posts arent going through. I have tried for two weeks.
thanks


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:21:51 PM
I am not sure but I think this is the "death band" of Caylee's hair.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/fig22.jpg)
Turbo you silly monkey.. I googled death band hair and this link came up
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800)
 try #810
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No, I have pictures of the knife - that is not the same. That is a hair follicle magnified.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 11:27:59 PM
Wasnt the picture you originally posted a hair with the banding?.. look again.. that was no knife..it came off a website describing it as postmortem hairbanding
http://www.hairfactz.com/hairfactz_definitions.html#p (http://www.hairfactz.com/hairfactz_definitions.html#p)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:32:26 PM
I am not sure but I think this is the "death band" of Caylee's hair.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/fig22.jpg)
Turbo you silly monkey.. I googled death band hair and this link came up
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9619.800)
 try #810
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

No, I have pictures of the knife - that is not the same. That is a hair follicle magnified.

The other picture evidently is a picture of hair banding. I thought it was a knife when I put it in my PB. The one I posted is a magnified one. I will go look in my original to see the properties and try to determine  where it came from when I put it in PB.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:33:22 PM
Wasnt the picture you originally posted a hair with the banding?.. look again.. that was no knife..it came off a website describing it as postmortem hairbanding
http://www.hairfactz.com/hairfactz_definitions.html#p (http://www.hairfactz.com/hairfactz_definitions.html#p)

Yep, I found that it was not a knife when I checked the properties on it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: snoopy on June 05, 2011, 11:33:24 PM
Does anyone know if Dr. Vass will be testifying tomm?  I gotta take my MIL to see my FIL in the morning.  I really don't want to miss his testimony.  TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: flamom on June 05, 2011, 11:38:34 PM
Does anyone know if Dr. Vass will be testifying tomm?  I gotta take my MIL to see my FIL in the morning.  I really don't want to miss his testimony.  TIA
Not a clue Snoopy.. maybe some smart monkey does.. Time for me to check out. See y'all tomorrow.. I tell my kids I have to go to court  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:56:23 PM
When hairs originate from a body in a state of decomposition, a dark band may appear near the root of the hair. This characteristic has been labeled a postmortem root band.


http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backis...#Hair Evidence


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 05, 2011, 11:59:55 PM
When hairs originate from a body in a state of decomposition, a dark band may appear near the root of the hair. This characteristic has been labeled a postmortem root band.


BETTER LINK HERE..........

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/jan2004/research/2004_01_research01b.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 06, 2011, 12:03:09 AM
When hairs originate from a body in a state of decomposition, a dark band may appear near the root of the hair. This characteristic has been labeled a postmortem root band.


BETTER LINK HERE..........

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/jan2004/research/2004_01_research01b.htm

Obviously I found where I got the picture for PB - it was here on the FBI site.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: shy-monkey on June 06, 2011, 12:05:11 AM
Snoopy - I found this on Trash vs. Garbage

http://www.swdahsv.org/faq.html#garbage

What's the difference between garbage and trash?
Garbage is basically food waste, paper products or most things that come out of the kitchen or bathroom. Trash can be lots of things including grass clippings, twigs, hedge clippings; or it can be junk or rubbish - generally, it's anything that doesn't come out of your kitchen or bathroom.
Well, that would mean it would be less likely to produce an odor, right?

I would think so.

If human decomposition smells even remotely like animal decomposition, which I bet most jurors have smelled before, the trash/garbage questioning is probably meaningless. If they have any personal experience with decomposition they know there's a difference. At least I know I have happened upon dead animals while out running and to me that's a distinct odor I recognize without having to see the dead animal and one that is definitely different than that of trash, garbage, poop, Bozo etc


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 06, 2011, 12:08:54 AM
What is Mitochondrial DNA?
Inherited From the Mother, mtDNA is Perfect for Cold Cases

http://www.suite101.com/content/what-is-mitochondrial-dna-a40213


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 06, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
Evidence of Caylee's hair with decomposition- found in  KC's  trunk

Q12.1 hair with apparent decomposition at proximal root end (trunk)
Q59 hair from hair mass (remains)
K1 hair from Casey Anthony
Q15 hair from Caylee’s hairbrush

page 2/3329 http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530294.pdf

page 8/3335 http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530294.pdf

page 57 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740657/detail.html

Quote:
"The previously reported Caucasian head hair exhibiting characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal end (specimen Q12.1, FBI Laboratory report dated August 1, 2008, FBI Laboratory Number 080730003 TO LF) exhibits the same microscopic characteristics as the Caucasian head hairs found in Q59. Accordingly, specimen Q12.1 and the Caucasian head hairs found in specimen Q59 are consistent with originating from the same source.”

page 594 of 1405 http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/1009/21252103.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on June 06, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days.htm

Detailed archive of Casey Anthony's 31 Days

Really great time line with cell activity etc.
This is great!  Thank you!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: KittyMom on June 06, 2011, 12:24:03 AM
Quote
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story

 

Ooh, something to look forward to? ::HelloKitty::
---------
Rick
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Countrygirl wrote:
<quoted>

George was a homicide detective with the Trumbull County Sheriff's office until leaving Niles to move to Florida. There IS a
reason he didn't persue LE in Florida, it will come out at Casey's trial.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3621.0
My take on what he said is that at some point in his past (and Casey apparently knew about this incident), G had to have a bond hearing at which time the particulars were worked out prior to his appearance in court just as they were when KC had her bond hearing.  I'm thinking whatever happened tarnished his record to the point that he can no longer work in LE.  If Bozo has done any homework at all, he's well aware of this and will introduce it during his defense of KC.

I do not see how he can introduce anything like this, as both sides had a deadline to when to submit their evidence by, and we have not seen a darn thing from their side, and they cannot have a trial by ambush, so if they even start it, Jeff/Linda will be up out of the seats in a heartbeat objecting.  There would have had to be depos with the state with whomever he plans to use to further this evidence, etc. 
Would he need someone other than George to testify if he has a court record of the event?  He puts George up on the stand, asks him if he's ever been in trouble with LE and then produces George's record.  I wouldn't put it past Baez to do this.  Not sure how he can without the state objecting, but I wouldn't put it past him trying.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: O4Bull on June 06, 2011, 12:26:12 AM
http://www.wftv.com/video/18206395/index.html

Watch from the 8:00 mark.  George talks about 'the thing I done' and how it was all already determined by the time they got to the judge's chambers.  Is this when he allegedly threw his father through the window?  I'll bet Jose is waiting to introduce this as a part of his defense/blame George story.

I believe that may have been his stupidity with the Nigerian scam & loss of money.   PS all she is doing is manipulating him to get her out of jail.
capp is that the bombshell baez is goiung to use as a bombshell?? IN  his closing??

It could also be the affair he had when he was separated from Cindy, others have reported the incident with his father, truthfully Im not sure what it could be but I dont give it a ton of concern either.   Casey's defense as her attorney put forward in opening statement is not only ridiculous & foul but falling apart.

Am thinking that the defense is going to call "River" as a witness.

It's bugging me thinking about what this bombshell could be.  Something as equally revolting as his "penis in the mouth" opening?  Well, I hope if there's still ANY chance at all that George or Lee Anthony fathered Caylee, the State brings it up first.  Maybe they wouldn't, and figure if Bozo brings it up, that the jury will think he's lying.

I know, I know... it's been proven that they aren't.  As much as the Anthony's lie, it totally wouldn't surprise me.  I still don't trust them. One. Single. Bit.  None of them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Shell on June 06, 2011, 12:40:44 AM
Gypsy DD  Yes I think Bozo only liked to plea bargain, but Cayse said no and he saw $$$

Turbo  Amy was a practice run with the Chlorophorm.  G & C was gonna get theirs.  JMHO

flamom  You got multitasking down!  I'm proud of you. lol

beth1970  I think Bozo knew early on that Caylee was dead.  Surely he did not buy into all of Casey's lies and still does?  Of course I think he's a lot like Casey so maybe so.  I sure don't think he cares about Caylee one bit.

akmom  Are you done with the garden and shearing sheep?  Hurry up girl. ol

Island Monkey &  Zoomom  posters like you make SM great. 

Blonde.....You are amazing. 

Klaas..........What can I say.  The thought of you being ignored makes me laugh out loud.  No way woman.

darla  Thank you about the death band explanation.

Turbo I agree.  Casey loved hurting Cindy.  That's one of the reasons why Caylee is dead.  Could explain why Cindy was acting so crazy.  She knows Casey killed Caylee to spite her.  I'm sure Cindy feels responsible.  That would drive anyone out of their mind.

babybear I read you. lol

Janet  you're always read.

Cubbeegirl hope your migraine is better.

shymonkey.......pet names.....too funny.  trash and garbage.

beth1970  I thought immunity also meant that it coldn't be admitted into court.  don't know.

Magnolia I didn't know that about chlorophorm.  Thank oyu.  And Criminal Minds is one of my favorite shows.  Don't care so much for the new one though.

Samarie  OMG I hope that is not how Caylee died.

Klaas thank you for Rick's post.

icey  Thank you for those links.  I'll try to watch them later.

Now I'm caught up, and that was exhausting. lol

Hubby just informed me that a new Ice road truckers is coming on.  I think that's my que.  haha

P.S.

Trash = dry things such as boxes, cans, cardboard, etc.
Garbage = wet things such as food, etc.

Witnesses were just keeping Bozo straight.  Most of the stuff in the trash bag = trash.
Yes I googled. haha  I didn't know there was a difference.

I do not get the point of this post..will someone clue me in? Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 06, 2011, 12:47:18 AM
Okay I know I'm being petty but this little girl has been abused, murdered, thrown away like trabage (don't know whether to use garbage or trash - sorry couldn't resist) and I think she deserves a little respect.

Nancy Grace pronounces her name Kale-Lee & so does Judge Jeanine.  I like both of their shows & just wish they would correct it!

It's pronounced Kay-Lee NOT Kale-Lee!  (I know because I asked a bunch of monkeys last week!)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: melisb on June 06, 2011, 12:51:02 AM
Googled how to make chloroform and Blurtit.com came back with (I'll make it real short) bleach, acetone, and ice, put in large enough glass bowl and cool bleach down with ice then add acetone accord. to recipe being careful not to overheat till there is a solid powder in bottom you can fish out and store in a small bottle, preferrably brown bottle for light precautions.  A child could make that in less than an hour!!!  It says you can put it on a cloth and tape it over your mouth but be careful as you may die from continuously filling your lungs with it!!!!!!  Maybe we now know what happened.  Do you think that at one time there was a cloth between Caylee and the tape and Casey removed it in a panick but left tape???? All I can picture is the reaction of Hobag when the DA was going over how he thought Caylee died in the trunk looking at her Mother.  Forgot his words exactly from the courtroom that day but it left a lasting impression in my mind.  It is exactly what I thought about.  Was Caylee staring her Monster in the face with her beautiful little eyes frightened and can't understand why Mommy won't let her breathe, squirming to get away, etc.  It's the scene that haunts me for most of our children on her.  What I feel was their last sight haunts me at night so bad that I can go for days on just 2 or 3 hours of sleep.  Sometimes none!  Sorry so graphic and I'm going to put my disturbed head down on a pllow before anymore garbage coms out and I type it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: melisb on June 06, 2011, 12:59:10 AM
Okay I know I'm being petty but this little girl has been abused, murdered, thrown away like trabage (don't know whether to use garbage or trash - sorry couldn't resist) and I think she deserves a little respect.

Nancy Grace pronounces her name Kale-Lee & so does Judge Jeanine.  I like both of their shows & just wish they would correct it!

It's pronounced Kay-Lee NOT Kale-Lee!  (I know because I asked a bunch of monkeys last week!)

I do the same thing as NG and for some of us southerners we draw our words out and run the sounds of letters together. Don't know where the Judge is from.......MOO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: shy-monkey on June 06, 2011, 01:09:50 AM
I can't understand why everyone is automatically accepting kc's date of Caylee's death as the 16th. Why would she suddenly reveal the real date among all her other lies...does not compute.

I don't know that everyone is "accepting" that date as much as working with what the opening defense claims happened and seeing what fits and what doesn't-since most likely June 16 is the date and timeline the jury will be using when they deliberate.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: Magnolia on June 06, 2011, 01:20:49 AM
Okay I know I'm being petty but this little girl has been abused, murdered, thrown away like trabage (don't know whether to use garbage or trash - sorry couldn't resist) and I think she deserves a little respect.

Nancy Grace pronounces her name Kale-Lee & so does Judge Jeanine.  I like both of their shows & just wish they would correct it!

It's pronounced Kay-Lee NOT Kale-Lee!  (I know because I asked a bunch of monkeys last week!)

I do the same thing as NG and for some of us southerners we draw our words out and run the sounds of letters together. Don't know where the Judge is from.......MOO


Judge Perry got both his BA and MA at Tuskeegee Institute in Alabama.  Nancy Grace
is from South Georgia, just over the state line a little piece.  That might explain some
of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 06, 2011, 01:23:17 AM
Okay I know I'm being petty but this little girl has been abused, murdered, thrown away like trabage (don't know whether to use garbage or trash - sorry couldn't resist) and I think she deserves a little respect.

Nancy Grace pronounces her name Kale-Lee & so does Judge Jeanine.  I like both of their shows & just wish they would correct it!

It's pronounced Kay-Lee NOT Kale-Lee!  (I know because I asked a bunch of monkeys last week!)

I do the same thing as NG and for some of us southerners we draw our words out and run the sounds of letters together. Don't know where the Judge is from.......MOO

I'm from the south too and I draw my words out.  My husband says he can't understand me sometimes LOL.  I just think these talking heads should pronounce it correctly!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: klaasend on June 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
Does anyone know if Dr. Vass will be testifying tomm?  I gotta take my MIL to see my FIL in the morning.  I really don't want to miss his testimony.  TIA

I've heard people say he is but I can't tell you 100%


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: NickandNora on June 06, 2011, 02:14:46 AM
Does anyone know if Dr. Vass will be testifying tomm?  I gotta take my MIL to see my FIL in the morning.  I really don't want to miss his testimony.  TIA

I've heard people say he is but I can't tell you 100%

I'm preparing to be as relaxed as possible when Vass goes through cross. that last debate baez had with him made me so mad I got physically ill. I have my little fountain ready to go for sound, my fake fireplace, soft music for the background, merlot... I know Vass can take him easy...and JA is always ready shut baez down...but I've got a big soft spot for Vass.

I just wonder when all this is finished if the jurors will be saying anything like
"My gosh, the defense would have us believe that kc's
parents,
brother,
the police,
the fbi,
the cadaver dogs,
the medical examiner,
Tex. Equusearch,
all of her ex friends,
ex boyfriends,
her neighbors,
her Uncle Rick (will he be on the stand?),
her grandma,
the Oak Ridge Lab,
the real Zenaida Gonzalez,
the media, 
the tow yard guy,
tattoo artists,
the phone company,
the wrecker service,
the meter reader,
her jail buddies,
...pretty much the whole world was out to get her!"

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: beth1970 on June 06, 2011, 02:54:17 AM
Does anyone know if Dr. Vass will be testifying tomm?  I gotta take my MIL to see my FIL in the morning.  I really don't want to miss his testimony.  TIA

I've heard people say he is but I can't tell you 100%

I'm preparing to be as relaxed as possible when Vass goes through cross. that last debate baez had with him made me so mad I got physically ill. I have my little fountain ready to go for sound, my fake fireplace, soft music for the background, merlot... I know Vass can take him easy...and JA is always ready shut baez down...but I've got a big soft spot for Vass.

I just wonder when all this is finished if the jurors will be saying anything like
"My gosh, the defense would have us believe that kc's
parents,
brother,
the police,
the fbi,
the cadaver dogs,
the medical examiner,
Tex. Equusearch,
all of her ex friends,
ex boyfriends,
her neighbors,
her Uncle Rick (will he be on the stand?),
her grandma,
the Oak Ridge Lab,
the real Zenaida Gonzalez,
the media, 
the tow yard guy,
tattoo artists,
the phone company,
the wrecker service,
the meter reader,
her jail buddies,
...pretty much the whole world was out to get her!"

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm sure we're leaving someone out - we'll have to wait til closing statements to find out who.  Baez will tell us.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony-MURDER TRIAL - DAY 10 - 6/4/11
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 06, 2011, 03:25:58 AM
It's 3:25am Eastern, so I'm going to go ahead and close this thread. Please continue tonight's discussion on the next one!

 ::MonkeyWink::

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Day 11:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10306.0