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Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 17, 2007, 10:34:49 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 01:18:59 AM
8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 01:23:06 AM
You're sneaky Robots  :lol:

I think I'm going to call it a night too!

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 18, 2007, 06:23:02 AM
Good morning.

Last chemo today!  

I'll be thinking about y'all.  (Well, actually, I'll be napping......)

Have a great day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 18, 2007, 07:00:51 AM
Peaches that is so great!  Will be thinking of you and sending postive vibes your way.  Way to go girl.

Morning monkeys.... have a great day all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Leslie on April 18, 2007, 07:33:37 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/  04/18/2007:

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Minister asks RST for assistance  

ORANJESTAD – Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) has asked the Detective Cooperative Team ( RST ) to help with the investigation on the ‘Namdar bribery letter’.  The minister hopes to get faster results with the help of RST ; especially because the governor is also mentioned in the case.  

Croes says that he has advised the government to include RST in the case.  The minister also hopes that this way ‘the people wouldn’t think that the investigation is not objective’.  If it is a matter of bribery, then heads will have to roll, especially if government officials or ministers are involved.   Croes also expects Aruban detectives to go to the United States to further investigate Namdar; when, he doesn’t know.  He says that he hasn’t received any request for duty travel yet.  

He also doesn’t know whether the OM considers the letter of Namdar as authentic.  Edwin Duijneveld, the lawyer of Michael Williams said last week in an interview with Amigoe that Justice considers the letter authentic, that the investigation has started already, and that besides Williams, also other people are involved.     “I do not know whether the investigation has started earlier, because I was not on the island.  As far as I am aware of, it started when the governor became involved with the case”, said Croes.  

Interview provoked a whole lot of reactions  

The interview with Duijneveld provoked a whole lot of reactions.  Liesje Khemlani-Flanegin, archivist and financial employee with the Parliament, who Duijneveld mentioned in the article as a former girlfriend of Williams, is considering taking legal actions.  “I only know Williams as campaign-leader of Briesen (Tourism-minister, editor).  It is a very gross accusation of Duijneveld and I will take legal actions.  Besides, I am married for 20 years.  I’m also considering legal proceedings against Diario.   They have published an e-mail that I have sent from my home computer to friends.  That is invasion of my privacy.  We are considering taking legal actions, based on the law protection of personal particulars.”  

The information that Khemlani-Flanegin sent per e-mail to a big group of entrepreneurs of Indian origin on March 16th, is copied from the websites of Aruba Today and Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines.  On March 15th on Top FM, she heard an interview with Briesen about signing a declaration of intent with Royal Caribbean and Namdar in Panama , and she also added this information in the e-mail.  “It was a private e-mail to acquaintances.  How did it get in the paper, I don’t know, but it is disgraceful.”


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MsVada on April 18, 2007, 07:45:12 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.

Last chemo today!  

I'll be thinking about y'all.  (Well, actually, I'll be napping......)

Have a great day.


Wonderful news Peaches!  I am sending happy thoughts your way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 18, 2007, 08:17:27 AM
WOOOHOOO Peaches!!!! Will be thinking of you & praying for you today.

Morning Monkeys. So someone wants to sue Diario? What else is new. Jossy is the only one of the island media who has the guts to print the truth. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 18, 2007, 08:25:49 AM
Heh Yaps, love the avatar!  lol  Off to work but wanted to send you a cyber howdy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Good morning.

Last chemo today!  

I'll be thinking about y'all.  (Well, actually, I'll be napping......)

Have a great day.


YAY for you Peaches!!!  The LAST chemo.  I will be sending healing thoughts and saying special prayers for you today.

Good Morning Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 18, 2007, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Heh Yaps, love the avatar!  lol  Off to work but wanted to send you a cyber howdy!


Hiya Beans!!! Have a great day & give the girls a hug for me  when you get home.

Just wanted to leave Ado a note. I read your theories. I believe that Paulus was involved from the get go in Natalee's disappearance. I think he knew full well everything that happened because HE WAS THERE!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 08:56:42 AM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Heh Yaps, love the avatar!  lol  Off to work but wanted to send you a cyber howdy!


Hiya Beans!!! Have a great day & give the girls a hug for me  when you get home.

Just wanted to leave Ado a note. I read your theories. I believe that Paulus was involved from the get go in Natalee's disappearance. I think he knew full well everything that happened because HE WAS THERE!!!


I agree Yap.

Good Morning Everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 18, 2007, 09:04:18 AM
Go Peaches.This great


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 09:38:21 AM
GO Peaches! Good luck!

Onward.

Another long one from Diario this morning. I am sorry I can't do a better job with this, but sounds like some good information about what, specifically, the Dutch investigators are looking at.

Hope we can get a better translation.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/18/

Quote
Hulanda sumamente interesa den casonan Namdar y Halloway
RUDY CROES LO HUNGA TORERO CU GOBIERNO
Pareha homosexual familia di Ministro ta cortina di huma


ORANJESTAD(AAN)— Proximamente un batayon di Polis Hulandes lo bini Aruba pa bay duna continuacion na e caso Holloway. E caso di e jovencita, cu a desaparece sin laga rastro atras aparentemente, no a muri. Na mes momento informacionnan sumamente importante cu DIARIO a ricibi ta mustra cu Hulanda tin mas cu interes pa e desaroyonan den e caso Namdar.

Fuentenan digno di credito a mustra cu Rudy Croes, como Ministro di Justicia, lo hunga torero cu otro Ministronan. E lo no kima su dede den e caso aki pero lo duna tur ayudo na Hulanda. Mientras semper e campañanan electoral di Rudy tabata separa di otronan di MEP, awor por bay spera un culminacion total den e partido.

E declaracionnan di Rudy Croes contra registro di matrimonio di un pareha homosexual, lo ta un cortina di huma segun informantenan cu a bisa cu un di e partnernan den e matrimonio ta miembro di familia di un Ministro, cu kende Rudy semper tabata tin un guera frio y cu a haya su oportunidad contra familia di Betico Croes recientemente.

Por lo menos diez detective especializa lo bini for di Hulanda pa bolbe bay traha ariba e caso di Natalee Holloway, e jovencita cu a desaparece na Aruba y nunca autoridad local por a localiza. E caso aki a haya atencion enorme na Merca y tin indicacion cu Reino a worde envolvi den e asunto aki ya cu Aruba ta teritorio di Reino Hulandes, cu no por perde su cara internacionalmente.

Informantenan a bisa cu no por descarta cu e salida di miembronan di Ministerio Publico, cu tabata parce di ta basa solamente ariba e controversia cu a surgi entorno imparcialidad di e organo, tambe a prefera di no ta meti den loke lo bini awor cu Reino ta bay tuma e investigacion den su man.

Mientras Hulanda ta prepara pa bini pa e caso Holloway, Hulanda ta haya su mes ta sigui di acerca e desaroyonan rond e caso di supuesto soborno pisa y Miyonario di e grupo Namdar y Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.
Informacionnan sumamente clave cu a alcanza DIARIO, cu a bira obheto di intimidacion di parti di Ministro Presidente loke a resulta den un carta pa La Reina di DIARIO, ta indica cu Hulanda ta interes sumamente grandi pa e caso di Namdar y ta sigui tur desaroyonan di acerca.

Por spera cu Hulanda no ta bay permiti e caso aki muri pero lo percura pa investigacion bini manera mester ta cu tur consecuencia cu e por tin. Uno di nan, segun informantenan lo ta, cu MEP por bay conoce un confrontacion abierto y cu Namdar lo ta cuminzamento di final.

Rudy Croes lo no kima su mes den investigacion

Publicamente e Ministro di Husticia, Rudy Croes a indica cu e lo duna tur sosten na e Hulandesnan den nan investigacionnan. El a indica cu e lo pone RST na disposicion di Hulanda y percura pa nada stroba e investigacion.

Informantenan a bisa DIARIO cu e actitud di Rudy Croes ta demostra cu awor cada hende mester percura pa nan mes. A mustra DIARIO ariba e hecho conoci, cu for di entrada di Rudy Croes dos grupo importante den MEP a worde informa. E no ta nada nobo, pasobra si Betico Croes no a fayece, probablemente tabata tin hende cu awor ta ocupa funcion sumamente halto den MEP pero cu Betico Croes na bida lo no a haya e oportunidad aki.

E separacion den e partido aparentemente lo bay bira mas evidente, ora Hulanda su interes pasa pa accion den e investigacionnan den e caso di Namdar, mas ainda awor cu Williams, a sigui revela e supuesto caso di soborno di e partido cu na 2005, tabata tin candidatonan cu di un of otro forma a hiba campañanan masha costoso y sorprendente. E abogado di Williams a haci declaracionnan sumamente comprometedor y Hulanda ta sigui e asunto hopi di acerca.

Rudy Croes, kende semper a hiba su campaña separa y segun informantenan cu fondo separa aunke tambe costoso aunke mester bisa cu el a bira miembro di un familia economicamente poderoso, aparentemente lo no permiti pa e worde perhudica pa otro Ministronan.
Mester tene cuenta tambe cu e sobrino di Rudy Croes, yiu di Betico Croes, Glenbert Croes, kende aparentemente ta den un situacion cu e mester di su entrada, a worde presenta na publico recientemente na un forma sumamente humiyante, cu a kibra su imahen completamente.

Matrimonio di lesbiananan cortina di huma

Informantenan a bisa DIARIO cu e caso di e dos muhenan lesbiana cu a base di loke Hoge Raad na Hulanda a dicidi mester worde registra como pareha casa na Aruba, por worde considera como un cortina di huma pero na mes momento inicio di e guera cayente den MEP.

“Si Rudy Croes ta di acuerdo cu aborto y ta e Ministro cu ta carga e responsabilidad y a presenta e cambio den Codigo Penal pa acepta aborto, con e ta bay ta preocupa cu homosexualidad, cu den pasado a presenta bao su nanishi, den entre otro fraccion di MEP mes?” un informante a puntra. El a mustra cu uno di e partnernan di e pareha, ta familiar di un Ministro importante pero nunca realmente amigo di Rudy Croes y cu esey ta un indicacion clave di loke ta pasa den e partido.

Segun e informantenan e hecho cu Rudy Croes kier duna tur su cooperacion na investigacionnan Hulandes na Aruba, no ta asunto solamente cu Hulanda tin Ministerio di Husticia na Aruba bao curatela y cu Rudy Croes mester crea un imagen cu husticia na Aruba ta cana bon a pesar di sucesonan controversial, pero tambe resultado di e hecho cu Rudy Croes lo no permiti su mes worde hinca den un supuesto escandalo cu Reino ta sigui di acerca y cu hasta Merca ta na haltura di dje, manera ta e caso di Namdar. DIARIO mas y mas por comprende pakico MEP no kier pa Pueblo tuma nota di loke DIARIO ta trece dilanti.


Online Pap translator:

the netherlands extremely interesa in casonan namdar y halloway
rudy croes will play torero cu gobierno
pareha homosexual familia of ministro is cortina of smoke


oranjestad(aan)— proximamente one battalion of police dutch will come aruba for bay give continuacion at the caso holloway. the caso of the jovencita, cu owing to desaparece without let rastro behind apparently, not owing to die. at self instant informacionnan extremely important cu daily paper owing to ricibi is show cu the netherlands have more cu interest for her desaroyonan in the caso namdar.

fuentenan digno of credito owing to show cu rudy croes, because; ministro of justicia, will play torero cu another ministronan. the will not burn his finger in the caso here but will give all aid at the netherlands. while always the campañanan electoral of rudy was separa of others of mep, now can bay wait for one culminacion overall in the faction.

the declaracionnan of rudy croes contra registro of matrimonio of one pareha homosexual, will is one cortina of smoke according informantenan cu owing to tell cu one of the partnernan in the matrimonio is acolyte of familia of one ministro, cu that rudy always was have one war frio y cu owing to achieve his oportunidad contra familia of betico croes recientemente.

at least diez detective especializa will come for of the netherlands for go back bay work upstairs the caso of natalee holloway, the jovencita cu owing to desaparece at aruba y never autoridad local can owing to localiza. the caso here owing to achieve atencion enormous at merca y have indicacion cu kingdom owing to worde envolvi in the asunto here already cu aruba is territory of kingdom dutch, cu not can lose his cara internacionalmente.

informantenan owing to tell cu not can descarta cu the exit of miembronan of ministerio publico, cu was seems of is basa only upstairs the controversia cu owing to surgi entorno imparcialidad of the organo, also owing to prefera of do not meti in thing will come now cu kingdom is bay take the investigacion in his hand.

while the netherlands is prepara for come for her caso holloway, the netherlands is achieve his self is follow of acerca the desaroyonan rond the caso of supuesto soborno pisa y miyonario of the are namdar y royal caribbean cruise line.

informacionnan extremely clave cu owing to alcanza daily paper, cu owing to become obheto of intimidacion of part of ministro chairman thing owing to resulta in one carta for la queen of daily paper, is indica cu the netherlands is interest extremely big for her caso of namdar y is follow all desaroyonan of acerca.

can wait for cu the netherlands do not bay permiti the caso here die but will percura for investigacion come as have to is cu all consecuencia cu the can have. uno of they, according informantenan will is, cu mep can bay conoce one confrontacion abierto y cu namdar will is cuminzamento of end.

rudy croes will not burn his self in investigacion

publicamente the ministro of husticia, rudy croes owing to indica cu the will give all sosten at the hulandesnan in they investigacionnan.

past owing to indica cu the will place rst at disposicion of the netherlands y percura for nothing stroba the investigacion. informantenan owing to tell daily paper cu the actitud of rudy croes is demostra cu now cada person have to percura for they self. owing to show daily paper upstairs the mature conoci, cu for of entrance of rudy croes two are important in mep owing to worde informa. the do not nothing new, because if betico croes not owing to fayece, probably was have person cu now is ocupa funcion extremely high in mep but cu betico croes at life will not owing to achieve the oportunidad here.

the separacion in the faction apparently will bay become more evidente, hour the netherlands his interest happen for accion in the investigacionnan in the caso of namdar, more still now cu williams, owing to follow revela the supuesto caso of soborno of the faction cu at 2005, was have candidatonan cu of one or another form owing to take away campañanan very costoso y sorprendente. the advocate of williams owing to haci declaracionnan extremely comprometedor y the netherlands is follow the asunto much of acerca.

rudy croes, that always owing to take away his campaña separa y according informantenan cu fondo separa although also costoso although have to tell cu past owing to become acolyte of one familia economicamente powerful, apparently will not permiti for her worde perhudica for another ministronan.

have to as cuenta also cu the sobrino of rudy croes, child of betico croes, glenbert croes, that apparently is in one situation cu the have to of his entrance, owing to worde present at publico recientemente at one form extremely humiyante, cu owing to break his imahen completamente.

matrimonio of lesbiananan cortina of smoke informantenan

owing to tell daily paper cu the caso of the two women lesbiana cu owing to base of thing hoge raad at the netherlands owing to dicidi have to worde registra because; pareha casa at aruba, can worde considera because; one cortina of smoke but at self instant inicio of the war cayente in mep.

“si rudy croes is of acuerdo cu abortion y is the ministro cu is carga the responsabilidad y owing to present the cambio in codigo penal for acepta abortion, con the is bay is preocupa cu homosexualidad, cu in pasado owing to present bao his nose, in among another fraccion of mep self?” one informante owing to ask about. past owing to show cu uno of the partnernan of the pareha, is familiar of one ministro important but never genuinely amigo of rudy croes y cu esey is one indicacion clave of thing is happen in the faction.

according the informantenan the mature cu rudy croes wanted give all his cooperacion at investigacionnan dutch at aruba, do not asunto only cu the netherlands have ministerio of husticia at aruba bao curatela y cu rudy croes have to crea one imagen cu husticia at aruba is march good owing to pesar of sucesonan controversial, but also result of the mature cu rudy croes will not permiti his self worde hinca in one supuesto escandalo cu kingdom is follow of acerca y cu even merca is at height of dje, as is the caso of namdar. daily paper more y more can comprende pakico mep does not for people take notice of thing daily paper is trece fast.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 09:49:15 AM
Also in today's Diario. Sounds like "high season" for tourism ended early.

Mientras normalmente ta te Mei turismo ta baha
HOTELNAN A CUMINZA RETIRA PERSONAL


E temporada halto di turismo ta termina generalmente na Mei. Aunke ta pone Semana Santa como un indice pa e fin di temporada, realidad ta, cu mester tene cuenta cu otro factornan. Uno di nan ta sigur e situacion di clima na paisnan origen di turismo. Condicionnan di tempo na hopi parti di Merca ta suficiente motibo ainda pa turistanan busca solo y beach cu ta Aruba su atraccion. Sinembargo, informacionnan cu DIARIO a ricibi ta mustra cu ya tin hotel importante cu a cuminza reduci personal, pasobra negoshi a baha. Esey ta nifica cu ni turismo di baratiyo cu Aruba a cay aden, ta duna resultado.

Informantenan a bisa DIARIO, cu Pueblo mester cuminza ricibi informacion concreto pa sabi kico ta bay pasa e aña aki cu Aruba, cu ta confronta un situacion sumamente alarmante. Di parti di sector turistico mester bini informacionnan na palabra cu Pueblo por comprende y segun berdad, sin manipulacion cu por ehempel porcentahenan cu ta evita Pueblo realiza kico ta pasa.

Mientras amistad cu Gobierno, necesidad di permisonan y otro asuntonan cu por silencia gremionan pa nan no perhudica nan mes politicamente ta parce di ta mas importante cu e realidad cu mester pinta pa Pueblo, ta Pueblo ta esun cu ta bay sufri consecuencianan.

Informenan ta indica cu ya tin hotel cu a cuminza baha personal. E cantidad di turistanan a baha considerabelmente y no por tene tur hende na trabao. Tambe DIARIO a ricibi informacion cu tin hotel cu no kier tuma personal directamente den servicio mas pero kier haci uso di oficinanan cu ta hur nan personal ora nan mester. Ora nan no mester di e personal, nan ta avisa e oficinanan aki cu sea ta laga e hendenan sin trabao keda cas of ta haya otro trabao den cualquier otro sector pa nan.

Esey ta haci cu tin hotel cu no kier carga responsabilidad di doño di trabao pa tur trahador, cu na nan turno ta perde garantia di trabao. Tecnicamente no por pone nan sin mas bao e categoria di hendenan cu trabao, pero mester pone nan como desemplea of crea un categoria “emplea segun circumstancia”.

E situacion ta afecta familianan Arubano directamente, en especial awor cu bida a bira caro. Di otro banda e ta causa desastre cerca trahadornan extranhero, cu si nan no por duna un doño di trabao cu ta responsabel pa nan, mester bay.

Mas proyecto sin por yena loke tin

E informenan cu ta alcanza Pueblo cu turismo ta pasa den un situacion di mil maraviya ta engaño bibo. Si meymey di April no por papia di temporada halto mas, algo ta hopi malo. Semana Santa ta indicativo pa paisnan Latino pero no pa Mericanonan, cu ta basa nan necesidad di bay cu vacacion mas ariba nan circumstancianan personal, manera nan capacidad pa sigui biba den un clima frio.

Merca, e mercado importante pa Aruba, te ainda ta pasa den un temporada di invierno sumamente frio. Te ainda continuamente ta registra “tormentanan di invierno”, aunke no ta nan temporada mas. Esey mester induci mas Mericano pa viaha, mas ainda pasobra na partinan mas calor di Merca, manera Florida mes, circumstancianan di tempo e aña aki tabata domina pa condicionnan cu ta produci yobida, temperatura abao, mal tempo. Pa loke ta clima, sigur tin motibo pa mas Mericano kier viaha.

Loke ta sumamente straño ta, cu ta sigui cu mas proyecto turistico na Aruba, mientras esnan cu tey no ta pasa den e tempo di gloria cu nan a yega di conoce. Turismo di baratiyo manera a califica e hecho cu hotelnan mester baha prijs pa yena, aparentemente no ta duna resultado mas. Tin hotel cu mester a cuminza baha gasto di personal.

Segun informantenan ta straño cu cierto proyectonan ta bini, aunke e mercado ta duna mal señal. Loke por spera den e situacion aki ta, cu lo no tin competencia sano pero cu cada uno lo mester lucha pa sobrebibi.

Aruba no ta ricibi informacion corecto ni di Gobierno ni di gremionan, segun informantenan cu a bisa cu e sistema di gobernacion, cu esun cu habri su boca ta den problema, ta cera hopi boca pa no papia mes di e realidad cu den funcionnan importante tin sostenedornan grandi di Gobierno, cu tin hopi di perde si nan mester duna comunidad splicacionnan cu lo ta contra bienestar politico di gobernantenan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 09:52:01 AM
Gosh I wish we knew what that says Msmarple.  I have a feeling their work will be somewhat silent... Who knows, maybe something good will come of it.... I know, it is hard to be optimistic, well almost impossible.

And San & yapperz, I too believe Paulus was involved in the beginning.  Now, I just can't make my mind up if he was called after the "something bad happened" or not..

One thing I do think is that these activities have been going on long before this last set of "pimps" and it is passed on from generation to generation.   Sickening.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 10:00:01 AM
Kimmy - maybe Sandy, or BT via Easy via you-know-who, can get a translation for us. Or at least hit the high points.

Jossy is pounding away while these investigators are on the scene.

Oh - Good morning monkeys! (I hope we all will have some good days for awhile. The last few have been very sad.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on April 18, 2007, 10:41:42 AM
Hey Monkey's....after reading a few threads on the LCD and Monkey Lounge I think a little l ght interactive humor is needed here...try this....

Take 60 seconds to do this, I guarantee you will show someone else, it's too funny not to.  Follow the Instructions:

1. go to http://www.google.com/
2. click on "maps"
3. click on "get directions"
4. type "New York" in the first box (the "from" box)
5. type "London, UK" in the second box (the "to" box)
6. click on "get directions" button (at the right of the "to" box)
7. scroll down to step #23

~~Enjoy and have a great day!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 18, 2007, 10:48:34 AM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Hey Monkey's....after reading a few threads on the LCD and Monkey Lounge I think a little l ght interactive humor is needed here...try this....

Take 60 seconds to do this, I guarantee you will show someone else, it's too funny not to.  Follow the Instructions:

1. go to http://www.google.com/
2. click on "maps"
3. click on "get directions"
4. type "New York" in the first box (the "from" box)
5. type "London, UK" in the second box (the "to" box)
6. click on "get directions" button (at the right of the "to" box)
7. scroll down to step #23

~~Enjoy and have a great day!!


LOL.  I love step #23, the one which I fear only the desperate would attempt.

Have a great day, Peaches, and on to a great and long life!

Ado, what makes you think Paulus was not involved from point A?  Would love to hear that, because I may be completely misdirected.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 10:48:41 AM
Hi Metro - someone sent that to me at work the other day; I meant to post it and forgot!

Where in the world are you these days?

* * *
Remember our Boston "hero" demonstrators? FP poster vicki (trying to get "inside") is organizing a protest at the Miami travel show - April 28 and 29. At the Miami Sheraton.

If you can't get to Miami, maybe you can help with a $$ to help with the costs of sign, handouts, permit. Richard has an email address set up to get folks in touch with each other for this:

VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com

More information about ATA participation in travel shows, and "how to demonstrate" -

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=20

* * *

Meanwhile, it cost NOTHING  :lol:  to help Jossy with the MEP boycott of Diario. See my sig line.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 11:22:18 AM
O/T

Attention shoppers: If there's a Klaas Monkey in the cage, please report to the avatar thread. Your apprentice needs help!  :lol:

Tiger, BT, None, Carpe, bleachedblack, casa, Mishy, Snoopy, Elaine, justins, IBE:

Please check the avatar thread.

ALL MONKEYS: Klaas and I are making 4th of July avatars. If you want one just leave us a message there and we'll fix you up!  :wink:


Sorry for the O/T.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
O/T

Attention shoppers: If there's a Klaas Monkey in the cage, please report to the avatar thread. Your apprentice needs help!  :lol:

Tiger, BT, None, Carpe, bleachedblack, casa, Mishy, Snoopy, Elaine, justins, IBE:

Please check the avatar thread.

ALL MONKEYS: Klaas and I are making 4th of July avatars. If you want one just leave us a message there and we'll fix you up!  :wink:


Sorry for the O/T.

Need to run out in a bit.  Left you a message in the avatar thread  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 11:53:01 AM
HOT HOT HOT from Easywriter's blog

This is not a translation of the DIARIO article, but rather a summary.

*********************************

This is the latest information we received from reliable sources. It says that Holland is extremely interested in the Holloway case and the Namdar bribery case. They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here.

The severe criticisms we outed with regards to both cases has apparently hit home and we can expect some serious actions soon. Holland cannot afford to sit by idly and let a part of the Kingdom go to pots. And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

If the Aruban population cannot rely on a true separation of Trias Politica (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)than we are in for some social upheavals that can very easily get out of hand, considering the presence of more than 18,000 illegals and about the same number of latin-americans that are now in Aruba. They are more accustomed to 'heating' the streets than are the Arubans. And that, Holland cannot and will not tolerate.

I am glad that we are getting that kind of help from Holland because the way both cases have been handled by the local authorities stinks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 12:00:25 PM
JFN - Thanks!

I *thought* it sounded like MORE investigators were coming, but couldn't be sure ...

I almost think that when the first group arrived, it found things worse than previously believed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
Wow, JFN. Do I dare be hopeful??? Thanks for posting that!
Thank You too, msmarple. Saw your suggestions: Good ones!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 18, 2007, 12:12:09 PM
Maybe Holland is hearing Jossy using his mouth piece..and realizing how bad this all is .......at any rate...good news...someone has to step up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
CBB - really just tying to be helpful.

And yes - I do think this Dutch investigation thing suddenly sounds hopeful. Bringing in reinforcement from Holland - so soon after arriving - must mean SOMETHING.

Don't you just know there are some nervous people on Aruba right now?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Wow, JFN. Do I dare be hopeful??? Thanks for posting that!
Thank You too, msmarple. Saw your suggestions: Good ones!


It is hard not to be hopeful CBB...Sounds like this may NOT be all for show after all.  BUT......I will be cautiously optimistic.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 12:18:15 PM
Morning monkeys!  

Peaches, as always, my prayers and healing thoughts are headed your way.  

I think I missed most of the last lively.  Anything new, such as when Fox will be airing or if Joran has been hospitalized for advanced stages of an STD or anything?  Maybe Anita shooting Paulus in the butt for womanizing?   :?  Have the people of Aruba voted Hugo into office yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 12:18:30 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
CBB - really just tying to be helpful.

And yes - I do think this Dutch investigation thing suddenly sounds hopeful. Bringing in reinforcement from Holland - so soon after arriving - must mean SOMETHING.

Don't you just know there are some nervous people on Aruba right now?


Do ya think there might be someone who is perspiring a lot?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 12:20:53 PM
Some Aruban on the FP said in the last few days that Jossy couldn't set foot in the US.  I'm assuming this is rumor/lie, not fact.  Can anyone confirm?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Some Aruban on the FP said in the last few days that Jossy couldn't set foot in the US.  I'm assuming this is rumor/lie, not fact.  Can anyone confirm?

Jossy has been in the US often and it wasn't long ago he was in Miami.  I have no idea what the current status is of his visa though.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: msmarple
CBB - really just tying to be helpful.

And yes - I do think this Dutch investigation thing suddenly sounds hopeful. Bringing in reinforcement from Holland - so soon after arriving - must mean SOMETHING.

Don't you just know there are some nervous people on Aruba right now?[/quote]

The SPF (Sweat Protection Factor) has gotta be high. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Some Aruban on the FP said in the last few days that Jossy couldn't set foot in the US.  I'm assuming this is rumor/lie, not fact.  Can anyone confirm?

Jossy has been in the US often and it wasn't long ago he was in Miami.  I have no idea what the current status is of his visa though.


Wonder if the new passport rules etc. would have an impact? (Must say I haven't followed that very closely ... my p'port is current!)


Title: a nexus perhaps
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2007, 12:37:20 PM
Sorry, I check in often and post not so much but....

Methinks perhaps there is a nexus between the two cases...

Corruption knows no boundaries and perhaps the same folks are somehow connected.  Normally investigations are kept separate but these two investigations appear to have the same team working on it....

If so, the results could be explosive to the political structure of Aruba...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Some Aruban on the FP said in the last few days that Jossy couldn't set foot in the US.  I'm assuming this is rumor/lie, not fact.  Can anyone confirm?

Jossy has been in the US often and it wasn't long ago he was in Miami.  I have no idea what the current status is of his visa though.


Wonder if the new passport rules etc. would have an impact? (Must say I haven't followed that very closely ... my p'port is current!)


I could be completely wrong and making this up off the top of my head - however, it seems to me that visitors can only stay a certain amount of time each year according to their visitor's visa. It might be that the last time Jossy came to Miami he stayed the limit of time he was allowed for that Visa.


Title: Re: a nexus perhaps
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Sorry, I check in often and post not so much but....

Methinks perhaps there is a nexus between the two cases...

Corruption knows no boundaries and perhaps the same folks are somehow connected.  Normally investigations are kept separate but these two investigations appear to have the same team working on it....

If so, the results could be explosive to the political structure of Aruba...


I'm thinking that Holland has seen Aruba imploding.  Aruba owes them a lot of money and is leaning south.  They may realize they are going to lose the ABC's if they don't do something.  Holland is also caught up in the negative image of Aruba, especially since so many involved in the Holloway case were Dutch and in appointed, not elected, positions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 12:46:56 PM
Hi Silverfox, welcome and speak up more often!

I think you're right. Also, there's an arrogance factor - Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Title: Re: a nexus perhaps
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Sorry, I check in often and post not so much but....

Methinks perhaps there is a nexus between the two cases...

Corruption knows no boundaries and perhaps the same folks are somehow connected.  Normally investigations are kept separate but these two investigations appear to have the same team working on it....

If so, the results could be explosive to the political structure of Aruba...


Could very well be Silverfox... I have always thought that Natalee's case runs very deep politically... Maybe we will see.

BTW - love that avatar...It took me a few minutes to figure it out though. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 12:48:54 PM
I see there's an ad at the top of the page for vacationing in Alabama!  I know some people, major golfers, who are headed for Alabama in the next couple of weeks.  They said they got great deals, no problems with tee times and the Alabama people they planned their trip with were extremely helpful.  They thought their accents were real cute too.   :wink: Now these people are the country club set.  They get invitations to the Masters and fly private planes to get there.  So remember to include Alabama and other non-Florida places when talking up Travel America, not Aruba!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
about a year and a half ago I had a conversation with a Dutchman here in the Philippines.

He claimed that Aruba was very corrupt and the dreggs of the Kingdom.  He said that while he often traversed on business between Brazil and Holland that he never had and never would ever plan a stop-over in Aruba.

I have often thought -- even before the revelations of the tap on PVDS -- that the US had to be conducting serious surveillance of the island, especially due to the issues of not only trafficking of all kinds, but also because of the political climate in Venezuela... remember, Aruba to Venezuela is much like Cuba is to the US -- a hot bed of spy vs. spy and other activity that the rest of us only think happens in James Bond Movies....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
Ms. Marple,

Are we reading the summary right? Reinforcements on the way?
Or, is Jossy just talking about the ten already there?

Can someone ask Easy at his blog? I am not yet registered there.
He is good about answering questions.

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Morning monkeys!  

Peaches, as always, my prayers and healing thoughts are headed your way.  

I think I missed most of the last lively.  Anything new, such as when Fox will be airing or if Joran has been hospitalized for advanced stages of an STD or anything?  Maybe Anita shooting Paulus in the butt for womanizing?   :?  Have the people of Aruba voted Hugo into office yet?


I'm just catching up......Puma, you're on a roll!  :lol: I LOVE IT!

Welcome silverfox! Glad you're here!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Quote
BTW - love that avatar...It took me a few minutes to figure it out though.


Glad you like the avatar...LOL... it's like being a monkey in human's clothing.... heh heh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
about a year and a half ago I had a conversation with a Dutchman here in the Philippines.

He claimed that Aruba was very corrupt and the dreggs of the Kingdom.  He said that while he often traversed on business between Brazil and Holland that he never had and never would ever plan a stop-over in Aruba.

I have often thought -- even before the revelations of the tap on PVDS -- that the US had to be conducting serious surveillance of the island, especially due to the issues of not only trafficking of all kinds, but also because of the political climate in Venezuela... remember, Aruba to Venezuela is much like Cuba is to the US -- a hot bed of spy vs. spy and other activity that the rest of us only think happens in James Bond Movies....


Sadly, we never heard about One Happy Island of Dreggs until Natalee Holloway.  If we had, maybe Natalee would have gone to Turks & Caicos or St. Lucia or something.   :(  But I'm glad that there have been many on this website and others that wouldn't let the dreggs hide behind their glossy travel brochures any more.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Ms. Marple,

Are we reading the summary right? Reinforcements on the way?
Or, is Jossy just talking about the ten already there?

Can someone ask Easy at his blog? I am not yet registered there.
He is good about answering questions.

 8)


I just emailed him. I'll let you know what he says.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Ms. Marple,

Are we reading the summary right? Reinforcements on the way?
Or, is Jossy just talking about the ten already there?

Can someone ask Easy at his blog? I am not yet registered there.
He is good about answering questions.

 8)


JFN - That is what I *thought* from reading the Diario article, as translated by the Pap translator. (I posted it - it's a page or two previous to this.) That, along with what you posted from Easy - that's the way it sounds to me.

Lil Puma - You're right too, of course. It seems that Aruba has made several wrong turns on its way to being a tourist mecca and attempting to gain independence. It may well have been a low-crime, "happy island" just a few years ago. But that isn't the case now, and Aruba DOES owe The Netherlands $$.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Ms. Marple,

Are we reading the summary right? Reinforcements on the way?
Or, is Jossy just talking about the ten already there?

Can someone ask Easy at his blog? I am not yet registered there.
He is good about answering questions.

 8)


I just emailed him. I'll let you know what he says.


Anxiously awaiting!

I have to say - "reading" Diario these days is a real adventure. Jossy is laying it on with a shovel! Wish we could talk to him every day about what he just said ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Ms. Marple,

Are we reading the summary right? Reinforcements on the way?
Or, is Jossy just talking about the ten already there?

Can someone ask Easy at his blog? I am not yet registered there.
He is good about answering questions.

 8)


I just emailed him. I'll let you know what he says.


Anxiously awaiting!

I have to say - "reading" Diario these days is a real adventure. Jossy is laying it on with a shovel! Wish we could talk to him every day about what he just said ...


Easy and I both have desk jobs that can get boring, so we try to entertain each other with a few emails throughout the day.  :lol: Because of that, I know that he's usually at lunch this time every day. I feel sure he'll answer as soon as he gets back, though, and I'll let you know what he says.


Title: Re: a nexus perhaps
Post by: LilPuma on April 18, 2007, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"

Could very well be Silverfox... I have always thought that Natalee's case runs very deep politically... Maybe we will see.

BTW - love that avatar...It took me a few minutes to figure it out though. :lol:


Didn't Jossy's article say that Nelson's son was accused of rape?  If so, he wants the Holloway case solved but finds out van der Sloot is involved and his son's butt is on the line if Joran goes down for the crime.  This IS what we've all thought.  They all "have something" on each other.  So they have to cover for each other.  The corruption is bad enough, but if this story about Oduber's son is true, it puts an exclamation mark on the societal mentality of abuse--women, children, animals.  Top it with an arrogance about outsiders, whether South American or North American, and you really do have a human cesspool.  Keep 'em in line with threats and intimidation.  I used to say it's like the old company town where the head of the company runs everything and everyone is afraid to say anything for fear of losing their jobs and/or life.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Some Aruban on the FP said in the last few days that Jossy couldn't set foot in the US.  I'm assuming this is rumor/lie, not fact.  Can anyone confirm?

Jossy has been in the US often and it wasn't long ago he was in Miami.  I have no idea what the current status is of his visa though.


Klaas ... I believe that the comment was submitted in a post to Easy's blog along with many other untruths.  Jossy did respond to some of the  smokescreens that were created by that particular poster in a futile attempt to discredit this man of principle but ... the comment  regarding Jossy not being allowed into the States was not addressed.

I suspect that the agenda of many who are placed or place themselves on Natalee forums is to discredit those who put forth the truth regarding the participants in the events of that fateful morning and those involved in the obvious coverup within the investigation.  In other words ... these posters attempt to create smokescreens to divert media and public attention off the real issue ... justice for an eighteen year old American citizen named Natalee Holloway.

I contend that the smokescreen were already being erected on June 5, 2005 by the powers that be in Aruba when Tamara Waldron posted the following on the SM Front Page comment section and ... did not identify herself as a Ministry of Transportation and Tourism employee or ... an Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force member.  This woman underestimated the abilities of researchers who are determined not to let the truth regarding the disappearance of Natalee be derailed by smokescreens.

Janet


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-information/

Thanks Gabriel! As an American citizen living in Aruba, and having lived in the U.S. for nearly 10 years I can assure you that most of us are looking at the big picture and we share the concerns of Natalee’s family and friends.
 
However, looking at the picture does not mean blaming the island or its people….we should keep looking at the big picture which does involve at looking at other possibilities, other than a crime, for the dissapearance of the 18 year old.
 
So far there has not been any indication of a murder, a kidnapping etc and we should all stick together and help in searching for his girl instead of assuming things and smearing Aruba on the news.

I do believe she will be found as there have been numerous sightings of Natalee, which indicate more that this is a runaway case than any other … of course we don’t know for sure, but we must leave the windows of numerous possibilities open.

[Comment by Tamara Waldron | June 5, 2005, 7:13 pm

________________________

SOURCE:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=599

Aruba Pledged to Help the Family - Instead, They Did All They Could to Bury Them With Their Daughter


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
Tamikosmom - thanks for saving and posting that.  YES, it all started very early on.  I really didn't realize it at the time, but we now know the campaign started that first week.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 01:57:10 PM
I asked EASY about the Dutch investigators.  This was his response from Jossy:

"They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 18, 2007, 02:02:21 PM
This is one of the specific things that suggested (to me) that MORE people WILL come from The Netherlands (from the Diario article I posted on the first page of this thread - with the online Pap translation:

Quote
at least diez detective especializa will come for of the netherlands for go back bay work upstairs the caso of natalee holloway <snip>


diez - 10.

I think it means 10 more special detectives will come ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I asked EASY about the Dutch investigators.  This was his response from Jossy:

"They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here."



i hate all of em  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 02:12:41 PM
Thanks to all for the clarification!

Looks like reinforcements are on their way!

Here's a cheap and easy way to catch
one of the bigger rats who bungled the case:


Set out a bowl of Frosted Flakes.



 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks to all for the clarification!

Looks like reinforcements are on their way!

Here's a cheap and easy way to catch
one of the bigger rats who bungled the case:


Set out a bowl of Frosted Flakes.



 :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d0/180px-Frosted-flakes.cbx.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 02:25:22 PM
Justice for Natalee and Klaas   :lol:

You guy just caused me to choke on my coffee and ... mess up the front of a very pretty flannel nighty.  I know ... I know ... I should be dressed.  It is almost lunch time in my neck of the woods but in my defence ... I have not yet had breakfast.

Janet

11:20 AM PDST


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Silverfox"
about a year and a half ago I had a conversation with a Dutchman here in the Philippines.

He claimed that Aruba was very corrupt and the dreggs of the Kingdom.  He said that while he often traversed on business between Brazil and Holland that he never had and never would ever plan a stop-over in Aruba.

I have often thought -- even before the revelations of the tap on PVDS -- that the US had to be conducting serious surveillance of the island, especially due to the issues of not only trafficking of all kinds, but also because of the political climate in Venezuela... remember, Aruba to Venezuela is much like Cuba is to the US -- a hot bed of spy vs. spy and other activity that the rest of us only think happens in James Bond Movies....


Sadly, we never heard about One Happy Island of Dreggs until Natalee Holloway.  If we had, maybe Natalee would have gone to Turks & Caicos or St. Lucia or something.   :(  But I'm glad that there have been many on this website and others that wouldn't let the dreggs hide behind their glossy travel brochures any more.



Oduber chumming up to Chavez may very well prove to be his downfall. He probably could have rocked his corrupt arse along but he crossed the line when he came out praising his buddy Hugo. Good riddance, Nel.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 18, 2007, 02:29:58 PM
Robots,you got that right.We offer speech lessons in Alabama,like "Foah means duck now.Snake means don't move forward."We do have the famous trail of golf,thanks to the government and strip mines.It supports the Teacher's retirement system.I do think that several of you are very right on what you say,in this case.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 02:31:10 PM
LOL @ FrostyFlakes   :lol:

KLPD reinforcements a good thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 18, 2007, 02:32:09 PM
I knew about the problems in the ABC's ,but only a few listened.I am sorry about that.The aruban government hide well before


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 02:41:07 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

Wonder if Jossy is talking about Nico Jorg and the Nadmar case or Teresa Croes and the NH case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 02:45:25 PM
Sorry, but I was cracking up over this one: wanted to share it with you guys:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/TAMK4.gif)
 :lol: I love the avatar you found for Tamik, Klaas!

Tiger you have one on the avatar thread, too.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 02:46:57 PM
CBB - LOLOLOL   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Sorry, but I was cracking up over this one: wanted to share it with you guys:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/TAMK4.gif)
 :lol: I love the avatar you found for Tamik, Klaas!

Tiger you have one on the avatar thread, too.  :wink:


It is mine ... all mine.  Do not get any "crazy" ideas crazybabyborg.  :)

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Sorry, but I was cracking up over this one: wanted to share it with you guys:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/TAMK4.gif)
 :lol: I love the avatar you found for Tamik, Klaas!

Tiger you have one on the avatar thread, too.  :wink:


LOL ... too funny!  I am thankful I had put down my coffee cup.  My nighty got it a few minutes back ... the keyboard might get it next.

I will make sure to face the opposite direction the next time I climb on ducky's back.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Sorry, but I was cracking up over this one: wanted to share it with you guys:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/TAMK4.gif)
 :lol: I love the avatar you found for Tamik, Klaas!

Tiger you have one on the avatar thread, too.  :wink:


It is mine ... all mine.  Do not get any "crazy" ideas crazybabyborg.  :)

Janet


No worries, Tamik! If you decide to use this for the Fourth, let me add a red, white, and blue ribbon to your "ride's" neck first, OK? I'm on the run, but will fix it and post in the lounge tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 18, 2007, 03:20:07 PM
Thank You,mrs Borg.Please don't assimilate me now.I hope you and John Borg are better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 18, 2007, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I asked EASY about the Dutch investigators.  This was his response from Jossy:

"They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here."



i hate all of em  8)


Me too.  What the hell took them so long?  And I still don't know if I believe any of it...yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 18, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
Yo, monkeys!

I'm wondering... what with Karen having recently returned to Holland, could she be behind the special police going to Aruba, and now additional police going?

Could it be that she has actually been a "good guy" all along, and had to play it the Aruban way until she was safely in Holland?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Mere on April 18, 2007, 03:29:06 PM
Good afternoon friends.... :D

Peaches...have thought of you all day....sending wonderful healing thoughts....you are my hero....!

Been reading and packing for a really nice vacation that my son and DIL are taking me on....leaving tomorrow and will be gone for two weeks...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: adoronron on April 18, 2007, 03:29:26 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I asked EASY about the Dutch investigators.  This was his response from Jossy:

"They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here."



i hate all of em  8)


Me too.  What the hell took them so long?  And I still don't know if I believe any of it...yet.


Maybe they discovered the source of the "dancing on the bar" photos is deep in the government and our FBI also knows, so they are now pressured by our state dept to do something. You just never know.


Title: Re: a nexus perhaps
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 18, 2007, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Sorry, I check in often and post not so much but....

Methinks perhaps there is a nexus between the two cases...

Corruption knows no boundaries and perhaps the same folks are somehow connected.  Normally investigations are kept separate but these two investigations appear to have the same team working on it....

If so, the results could be explosive to the political structure of Aruba...



UMMMMMM>>>>>>>>>

YEA......and about time...lol
welcome to da zoo :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys!

I'm wondering... what with Karen having recently returned to Holland, could she be behind the special police going to Aruba, and now additional police going?

Could it be that she has actually been a "good guy" all along, and had to play it the Aruban way until she was safely in Holland?


I guess anything is possible justins...  Could she have possibly played into their hands and been somewhat of a counter spy?  A "mole" so to speak?  Very interesting thought there.

But as AnnieMW1 said..I still don't know if I believe it yet either... Good to see you Annie BTW.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 18, 2007, 03:34:04 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
about a year and a half ago I had a conversation with a Dutchman here in the Philippines.

He claimed that Aruba was very corrupt and the dreggs of the Kingdom.  He said that while he often traversed on business between Brazil and Holland that he never had and never would ever plan a stop-over in Aruba.

I have often thought -- even before the revelations of the tap on PVDS -- that the US had to be conducting serious surveillance of the island, especially due to the issues of not only trafficking of all kinds, but also because of the political climate in Venezuela... remember, Aruba to Venezuela is much like Cuba is to the US -- a hot bed of spy vs. spy and other activity that the rest of us only think happens in James Bond Movies....




OF COURSE FOX....so things got   "complicated"
without warning....and people did things they should not have done.....for many reasons.....

Still.  Has ruined Aruba.

I would never travel alone again...and skeptically w/ a 6' black man...lol...u who luv me know who  i mean....lol

So.....FOX.......what do u think will happen next??

TY


FOM :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 03:40:04 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon friends.... :D

Peaches...have thought of you all day....sending wonderful healing thoughts....you are my hero....!

Been reading and packing for a really nice vacation that my son and DIL are taking me on....leaving tomorrow and will be gone for two weeks...


Be careful, have lots of fun, and don't forget that washcloth.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Mere on April 18, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MeMere"
Good afternoon friends.... :D

Peaches...have thought of you all day....sending wonderful healing thoughts....you are my hero....!

Been reading and packing for a really nice vacation that my son and DIL are taking me on....leaving tomorrow and will be gone for two weeks...


Be careful, have lots of fun, and don't forget that washcloth.  :lol:


You are too funny....thanks.... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 18, 2007, 03:48:03 PM
OT - Fox news reporting that U of Minnesota and Rider in Lawrenceville, NJ are having lockdown situations.  The details are minimal...in NJ unconfirmed report of a student w/weapon.
************

Hello, all...been lurking mostly the past couple days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 18, 2007, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Quote
BTW - love that avatar...It took me a few minutes to figure it out though.


Glad you like the avatar...LOL... it's like being a monkey in human's clothing.... heh heh



try bein me...lol......

So do u know DAG???  radio mouthpiece of aruba when joran and his daddy disposed of Nat........???  DAG was funny...lol....in a psycopatcic way.
He used to listen here often.....lurker really....

Are you in his commmunications field??????
or just a silverfox... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
HOT HOT HOT from Easywriter's blog

This is not a translation of the DIARIO article, but rather a summary.

*********************************

This is the latest information we received from reliable sources. It says that Holland is extremely interested in the Holloway case and the Namdar bribery case. They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here.

The severe criticisms we outed with regards to both cases has apparently hit home and we can expect some serious actions soon. Holland cannot afford to sit by idly and let a part of the Kingdom go to pots. And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

If the Aruban population cannot rely on a true separation of Trias Politica (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)than we are in for some social upheavals that can very easily get out of hand, considering the presence of more than 18,000 illegals and about the same number of latin-americans that are now in Aruba. They are more accustomed to 'heating' the streets than are the Arubans. And that, Holland cannot and will not tolerate.

I am glad that we are getting that kind of help from Holland because the way both cases have been handled by the local authorities stinks!


Instead of sending more investigators why not try reading the files that are all ready in Holland. Why not open the big black hole where all the evidence went to in Holland.  Why not just arrest Joran, Guido and who ever else when to Holland to hide so they avoid prosecution.  Why not let Guido's famous attorney work for his money and defend his client.  Why not ask Aruba to send the video tapes of all the PV's the suspects made to see if they match the ones typed out and signed by the suspects that are already in Holland.  Why not summon Dennis Jacobs and interrogate him along with Van der Straten.  And when he does go to Holland he can have a nice little tea party with his friend KJ who is now in Holland.

Holland has been sitting idly by for the past two years.  What makes us think they are really going to change their ways.

The only thing Holland is going to do is close the case.

Anything that Rudy Croes has his name on is a joke.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 18, 2007, 03:59:42 PM
SAN...who knows....
maybe Holland finally realized the financ ial  mpact of Aruba in general...the Holloway case was just the icing on the cake, ya know??

My best guess...it is financially mpacting Hollland.

Reality Sucks


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 04:21:50 PM
This case could be wrapped up in a week ... with signed confessions revealing the truth from all the main suspects if a team of Monkeys were flown to Aruba rather than the Team of Dutch investigators.   :wink:

I for one would volunteer as an interrogator.  Just ask my eldest son ... he will vouch for my qualifications.  He is now 37 years of age but he still cannot comprehend how his mother knew when he was lying as a teen and ... he still trembles at her interrogation techniques that alway got the truth out of him.  

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I asked EASY about the Dutch investigators.  This was his response from Jossy:

"They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here."


Hi All.. Thats good news!!! It probably only took a day or two to see how bad the corruption really is...This was not the perfect crime and there are major holes all over this coverup. Lets hope they get some new evidence so they can haul in these rats.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 04:29:09 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
This case could be wrapped up in a week ... with signed confessions revealing the truth from all the main suspects if a team of Monkeys were flown to Aruba rather than the Team of Dutch investigators.   :wink:

I for one would volunteer as an interrogator.  Just ask my eldest son ... he will vouch for my qualifications.  He is now 37 years of age but he still cannot comprehend how his mother knew when he was lying as a teen and ... he still trembles at her interrogation techniques that alway got the truth out of him.  

Janet


LOL!! I dont doubt that.. My mom was the same way..She would set you up without you knowing it. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 18, 2007, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
This case could be wrapped up in a week ... with signed confessions revealing the truth from all the main suspects if a team of Monkeys were flown to Aruba rather than the Team of Dutch investigators.   :wink:

I for one would volunteer as an interrogator.  Just ask my eldest son ... he will vouch for my qualifications.  He is now 37 years of age but he still cannot comprehend how his mother knew when he was lying as a teen and ... he still trembles at her interrogation techniques that alway got the truth out of him.  

Janet


You didn't do the water torture trick did you?  Being a mom of a teenager, I could use some of those interrogation techniques.... But really, mine is easy to read...I can tell by the look on his face if he is fibbing..

I soooo hope these investigators or whatever they are, actually do something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: adoronron on April 18, 2007, 04:39:01 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys!

I'm wondering... what with Karen having recently returned to Holland, could she be behind the special police going to Aruba, and now additional police going?

Could it be that she has actually been a "good guy" all along, and had to play it the Aruban way until she was safely in Holland?


Maybe she knew that if she didn't play along she could have become a victum of suicide.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
This case could be wrapped up in a week ... with signed confessions revealing the truth from all the main suspects if a team of Monkeys were flown to Aruba rather than the Team of Dutch investigators.   :wink:

I for one would volunteer as an interrogator.  Just ask my eldest son ... he will vouch for my qualifications.  He is now 37 years of age but he still cannot comprehend how his mother knew when he was lying as a teen and ... he still trembles at her interrogation techniques that alway got the truth out of him.  

Janet

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 18, 2007, 04:57:08 PM
What's the name of the other case at which this same team is looking?

Ya know, when I was in high school, which was over 30 years ago, school was marred by the fear from racial tension exploding into violence. Going to college was a refreshing experience, and I felt much safer. Today, even the universities are plagued with violence, and deadly violence at that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 18, 2007, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: "adoronron"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Yo, monkeys!

I'm wondering... what with Karen having recently returned to Holland, could she be behind the special police going to Aruba, and now additional police going?

Could it be that she has actually been a "good guy" all along, and had to play it the Aruban way until she was safely in Holland?


Maybe she knew that if she didn't play along she could have become a victum of suicide.


Possibly. I'm not ready to go to her defense yet, but Jossy has always deemed her as wearing a white hat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 18, 2007, 05:43:47 PM
Hiya Monkeys. Justins I agree about KJ. I won't jump on her bandwagon either but will be glad to sit back & see just what Holland does about all this.
Maybe Oduber needs to be reminded what he said in June of 2005:

"We work together, we care for people ... Nobody stands above the law."
I have been reading & catching up since I was gone most of the day. From what I was reading in the Corruption & Collusion Thread, I think Holland needs to read the latest document by Natalee's Freebirds. There is a basic outline of Oduber's corruption/control plus with what the KLPD have(should have) they would be able to bust his/MEP's azz but good.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 05:58:08 PM
Hi Yapper

This morning I was quoting from a blog posted that thread.  Lots of good stuff.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=599

I am going to spend time this evening reading some of the suspect/witness statements that Klaas has compiled ... Joran's friends.   However ... if I get "that look" or "that sigh" from my hubby ... I may have to put it off until tomorrow. Somehow ... he is under the impression that I spend far too much time on the computer.   :)  

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 06:02:51 PM
Reinforcements coming...

In response, Anita VDS was seen running from the Sloot compound in her "special blouse"   tearing to the nearest  store for a huge can of
Right Guard.

  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2007, 06:11:04 PM
Quote
Are you in his commmunications field??????
or just a silverfox...


Sorry, I do not know DAG.  I do host a syndicated music radio show that is produce here in the Philippines -- of course my host name is "Silverfox"

The recent developments of this case right now is very interesting.  I would guess that it is very possible that arrest(s) may be just a matter of time now... This is a very large group of detectives and the revelation that more are on the sorta sounds like there might be a big, big round-up and they need the manpower...

If there is a nexus (direct legal connection) between the two cases then the ramifications could be staggering -- the fact that it is being publicized suggests that it is in it's ending stages rather than beginning stages...

The heat is on and those who were involved in the cases must be having a hard time sleeping at nights and they surely are constantly looking over their shoulders -- right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 06:12:12 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Reinforcements coming...

In response, Anita VDS was seen running from the Sloot compound in her "special blouse"   tearing to the nearest  store for a huge can of
Right Guard.

  :wink:



ROFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Mere on April 18, 2007, 06:16:14 PM
MSNBC talking about the packet of material that the VA shooter sent to NBC....this may be too much...writings, pictures, etc.... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 06:24:07 PM
Klaas,

Maybe I should have used the word "speeding" instead of ''tearing."

*don't go there*


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 18, 2007, 06:35:45 PM
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?

According to Jossy, YES!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sharon on April 18, 2007, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Hi Yapper

This morning I was quoting from a blog posted that thread.  Lots of good stuff.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=599

I am going to spend time this evening reading some of the suspect/witness statements that Klaas has compiled ... Joran's friends.   However ... if I get "that look" or "that sigh" from my hubby ... I may have to put it off until tomorrow. Somehow ... he is under the impression that I spend far too much time on the computer.   :)  

Janet


Thanks for the reminder Janet and yapperz1!

What a great piece on Odoobie  :evil:

Plus there were a few other posts in there that I caught up on. Very interesting reading.

Hey yap! Maybe Oduber meant that the LAW STOMPS ON EVERYONE -- so nobody is above the law :?:

And I still reserve judgement on KJ. I supported her for so long -- until even I didn't believe myself :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2007, 06:49:41 PM
Oh, great.  Two of my favorite females mentioned on the same page:  (not)  Anita and Karen J.  Blech!!!  Liars with no sense of right from wrong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Oh, great.  Two of my favorite females mentioned on the same page:  (not)  Anita and Karen J.  Blech!!!  Liars with no sense of right from wrong.

Exactly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2007, 06:53:28 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Oh, great.  Two of my favorite females mentioned on the same page:  (not)  Anita and Karen J.  Blech!!!  Liars with no sense of right from wrong.

Exactly.


I'm not reserving judgement or anything else when it comes to Karen.  No holding back.  Don't care if Jossy sees her as wearing a white hat or not.  She showed her true colors, IMHO.  If, by some miracle she did come through for Natalee, well, then I'd eat that white hat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2007, 06:58:22 PM
Oh, sorry.  Forgot my manners.  Hi Monkeys!!  When I see Anita's name, it gets my hackles up.  What kind of mother would act like she does?  And she wanted to follow Buddha?  Right.  There is really, really something wrong with her as a human being.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 18, 2007, 07:02:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?

According to Jossy, YES!


I can't even put into words how happy I am to hear that... and you
know how few times I have been rendered speechless.

I, definately, smell justice in the air.

God bless you and all the hard work that you have put into this
cause.  In fact, I hope God blesses everyone that has poured their
hearts and souls into this boycott.  I know it's not over, yet, but I get
a sense that the tides are, definately, turning and hope that will aid us
in keeping up our determination to see this to the end.  By that I mean
til the day that there is justice in Aruba and those responsible for her
death, as well as those responsible for the cover-up are prosecuted.

Even though you have been conservative about getting your hopes up
too high, I know  you must be feeling pretty happy about these latest
developments.

Keep the faith and keep up the good work!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Oh, great.  Two of my favorite females mentioned on the same page:  (not)  Anita and Karen J.  Blech!!!  Liars with no sense of right from wrong.

Exactly.


I'm not reserving judgement or anything else when it comes to Karen.  No holding back.  Don't care if Jossy sees her as wearing a white hat or not.  She showed her true colors, IMHO.  If, by some miracle she did come through for Natalee, well, then I'd eat that white hat.

I never liked KJ from day one.  She was in charge of the investigation.  I don't want to hear that she did not know Dennis Jacobs was a dirty cop.  He was right by her side last week in that picture and it is obvious they are buddies.  That says a lot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2007, 07:07:44 PM
Oh yes.  Another dandy of a human being:  Dennis Jacobs=dirty cop.  I really, really, really hope there can and will be justice for Natalee, despite all the odds.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2007, 07:15:52 PM
I was just reading an article in USA Today about the 19 year old that was found in the bottom of a covered swimming pool, months after he was reported missing.  It says he bound his own legs and hands and he drown.  They are calling it a suicide.http://tinyurl.com/35dzcp

Sounds suspiciously like something we would read about happening in Aruba!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?

According to Jossy, YES!



Initially we questioned why it would take ten investigators to come in and close a case. It didn't make sense. It only takes one talking head to close a case.

Anybody think this second wave of policeman may have been part of the plan all along?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 18, 2007, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
HOT HOT HOT from Easywriter's blog

This is not a translation of the DIARIO article, but rather a summary.

*********************************

This is the latest information we received from reliable sources. It says that Holland is extremely interested in the Holloway case and the Namdar bribery case. They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here.

The severe criticisms we outed with regards to both cases has apparently hit home and we can expect some serious actions soon. Holland cannot afford to sit by idly and let a part of the Kingdom go to pots. And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

If the Aruban population cannot rely on a true separation of Trias Politica (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)than we are in for some social upheavals that can very easily get out of hand, considering the presence of more than 18,000 illegals and about the same number of latin-americans that are now in Aruba. They are more accustomed to 'heating' the streets than are the Arubans. And that, Holland cannot and will not tolerate.

I am glad that we are getting that kind of help from Holland because the way both cases have been handled by the local authorities stinks!


Instead of sending more investigators why not try reading the files that are all ready in Holland. Why not open the big black hole where all the evidence went to in Holland.  Why not just arrest Joran, Guido and who ever else when to Holland to hide so they avoid prosecution.  Why not let Guido's famous attorney work for his money and defend his client.  Why not ask Aruba to send the video tapes of all the PV's the suspects made to see if they match the ones typed out and signed by the suspects that are already in Holland.  Why not summon Dennis Jacobs and interrogate him along with Van der Straten.  And when he does go to Holland he can have a nice little tea party with his friend KJ who is now in Holland.

Holland has been sitting idly by for the past two years.  What makes us think they are really going to change their ways.

The only thing Holland is going to do is close the case.

Anything that Rudy Croes has his name on is a joke.


Yes, May is drawing near and they need to get this over and done with before the next tourist season.  I, unfortunately, say that I agree with San.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 08:04:18 PM
From Amigoe Dutch dated 4/17/2007:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707b.jpg)

Rough babelfish translation:

ORANJESTAD - eight agents of the Dutch korps rural police forces (KLPD) have taken off Monday on Aruba the oath and go the coming time actively in search of the disappeared teenager Natalee Holloway. During the research indications have up come, as a result of which the KPLD found it necessary to send eight agents to Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Avatar test

It won't be as cute as Anna's-- but if it appears, I will be happy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sharon on April 18, 2007, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Initially we questioned why it would take ten investigators to come in and close a case. It didn't make sense. It only takes one talking head to close a case.

Anybody think this second wave of policeman may have been part of the plan all along?


The skeptical side of me -- yes :(

Like they think if they get 'everyone' to say the same thing, we'll have to believe them :roll: We'll think they tried even harder  :evil:

Hope that side of me is wrong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
From Amigoe Dutch dated 4/17/2007:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707b.jpg)

Rough babelfish translation:

ORANJESTAD - eight agents of the Dutch korps rural police forces (KLPD) have taken off Monday on Aruba the oath and go the coming time actively in search of the disappeared teenager Natalee Holloway. During the research indications have up come, as a result of which the KPLD found it necessary to send eight agents to Aruba.


EasyWriter said...

An article in Amigoe today indicates that the Dutch discovered something while going through all the evidence sent to the Netherlands months ago and that has caused them to send all these agents to Aruba. In addition, the present government in Aruba is on the verge of toppling due to underhanded payoffs made by an investment group.

All the things that Aruba desperately tried to hide from outside eyes are now coming to the surface and I smell change in the air. That same sort of smell that drifts in with a warm breeze just before thunder cracks the sky wide-open and floods the streets.

April 18, 2007 6:32 PM


Look's like Mike is very optimistic. I hope he is right..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
From Amigoe Dutch dated 4/17/2007:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707b.jpg)

Rough babelfish translation:

ORANJESTAD - eight agents of the Dutch korps rural police forces (KLPD) have taken off Monday on Aruba the oath and go the coming time actively in search of the disappeared teenager Natalee Holloway. During the research indications have up come, as a result of which the KPLD found it necessary to send eight agents to Aruba.


Thank you Klass.

Maybe ... there will be mass arrests.  "New evidence" would dictate that Joran, Deepak and Satish's can be brought in for further questioning and ... the ruling by the judge that declared Paulus was no longer a suspect can be thrown out.

Monkeys ... as much as I do not want to get on the emotional roller coaster that Natalee Holloway family has been riding since day one ... I think the above translated article gives hope that maybe ... just maybe ....

Hey ... only one Dutch agent would be needed to announce the closure of the investigation.

This skeptic is praying for a miracle.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 08:32:47 PM
Evening monkeys.  The skeptic in me says this is all for naught.  Oh, how I hope I am wrong...just let me be wrong this time.  I want justice for Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 08:33:10 PM
******* - me too!

Justice - you look beautiful in your rose!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 08:35:34 PM
Does anyone recognize the area of beach those men are walking in the photo from the newspaper?  Is it near the lighthouse?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
HOT HOT HOT from Easywriter's blog

This is not a translation of the DIARIO article, but rather a summary.

*********************************

This is the latest information we received from reliable sources. It says that Holland is extremely interested in the Holloway case and the Namdar bribery case. They are sending a large team of policemen from Holland to further investigate both cases. The Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has offered all cooperation to the Dutch authorities who will be coming soon to reinforce those that are already here.

The severe criticisms we outed with regards to both cases has apparently hit home and we can expect some serious actions soon. Holland cannot afford to sit by idly and let a part of the Kingdom go to pots. And the political infiltration in the Prosecution offices, especially in the case of the Attorney General, has met wilth loud criticism here and abroad.

If the Aruban population cannot rely on a true separation of Trias Politica (Executive, Legislative and Judicial)than we are in for some social upheavals that can very easily get out of hand, considering the presence of more than 18,000 illegals and about the same number of latin-americans that are now in Aruba. They are more accustomed to 'heating' the streets than are the Arubans. And that, Holland cannot and will not tolerate.

I am glad that we are getting that kind of help from Holland because the way both cases have been handled by the local authorities stinks!


Instead of sending more investigators why not try reading the files that are all ready in Holland. Why not open the big black hole where all the evidence went to in Holland.  Why not just arrest Joran, Guido and who ever else when to Holland to hide so they avoid prosecution.  Why not let Guido's famous attorney work for his money and defend his client.  Why not ask Aruba to send the video tapes of all the PV's the suspects made to see if they match the ones typed out and signed by the suspects that are already in Holland.  Why not summon Dennis Jacobs and interrogate him along with Van der Straten.  And when he does go to Holland he can have a nice little tea party with his friend KJ who is now in Holland.

Holland has been sitting idly by for the past two years.  What makes us think they are really going to change their ways.

The only thing Holland is going to do is close the case.

Anything that Rudy Croes has his name on is a joke.

I agree San 100%.  They don't need 20 investigators sent over to crack this case, one would suffice.  
What happened to Natalee isn't Rocket Science, everybody knows, it's just a matter of someone with the authority and balls to step up and call these people out.  So far, Jossy seems to be the only person willing to say it out loud.  Unfortunately all he can do is make the criminals uncomfortable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Does anyone recognize the area of beach those men are walking in the photo from the newspaper?  Is it near the lighthouse?

Can't be 100% sure, but it does look like the area near the lighthouse.  The dunes area that was searched before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 18, 2007, 08:42:24 PM
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!

I'm cautiously optimistic  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
This case could be wrapped up in a week ... with signed confessions revealing the truth from all the main suspects if a team of Monkeys were flown to Aruba rather than the Team of Dutch investigators.   :wink:

I for one would volunteer as an interrogator.  Just ask my eldest son ... he will vouch for my qualifications.  He is now 37 years of age but he still cannot comprehend how his mother knew when he was lying as a teen and ... he still trembles at her interrogation techniques that alway got the truth out of him.  

Janet

Ahh Janet, you're sooo right.  A mother's intuition is more reliable than lie detector test.  My son and I laugh about that all the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 08:45:43 PM
i have always known they will get these pigs  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!

I'm cautiously optimistic  :wink:



I hate to say this, but when I saw those pics you posted Klaas the first thing I thought was...

DOG & PONY SHOW!!!


 :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 08:47:04 PM
Having all these full time investigators work on this for 30 weeks I hope they looked at everything and seperated what was complete BS...Including the Arubay-Bay Vids..They probably arent in the mood for wild goose chases all over that island and in the sea..


Avatar Test.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 08:47:06 PM
too much there..

too much pressure....


paulus is going down  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

Maybe I should have used the word "speeding" instead of ''tearing."

*don't go there*

You're right J4N, tearing and Anita VDS in a blouse has left a horrible picture tatoo'd on my brain.  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!

I'm cautiously optimistic  :wink:



Same here Klaas. If we hadn't seen so many of their charades before it would be a little easier to believe.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 18, 2007, 08:50:31 PM
Evening Monkeys, reading the good news about the Dutch investigators. I sure hope something will come of it, though I can't possibly imagine what they could find marching through those dunes yet again!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 08:50:54 PM
An article in Amigoe today indicates that the Dutch discovered something while going through all the evidence sent to the Netherlands months ago and that has caused them to send all these agents to Aruba.


And there first stop was at the Noord Police Station?? Hopefully the first person they talked to was dennis jacobs..

Holiday Avatar Test :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: "*******"
An article in Amigoe today indicates that the Dutch discovered something while going through all the evidence sent to the Netherlands months ago and that has caused them to send all these agents to Aruba.


And there first stop was at the Noord Police Station?? Hopefully the first person they talked to was dennis jacobs..

Holiday Avatar Test :D

******* - your avatar is wonderful!  Maybe they stopped by Noord for breakfast? :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Oh, great.  Two of my favorite females mentioned on the same page:  (not)  Anita and Karen J.  Blech!!!  Liars with no sense of right from wrong.

Exactly.


I'm not reserving judgement or anything else when it comes to Karen.  No holding back.  Don't care if Jossy sees her as wearing a white hat or not.  She showed her true colors, IMHO.  If, by some miracle she did come through for Natalee, well, then I'd eat that white hat.

I never liked KJ from day one.  She was in charge of the investigation.  I don't want to hear that she did not know Dennis Jacobs was a dirty cop.  He was right by her side last week in that picture and it is obvious they are buddies.  That says a lot.

And I'll always remember Nancy Grace in disblief that KJ would go on vacation at the most crucial time in this case.  As a prosecutor in a place so corrupt as Aruba, she probably knew her services wouldn't really be needed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Initially we questioned why it would take ten investigators to come in and close a case. It didn't make sense. It only takes one talking head to close a case.

Anybody think this second wave of policeman may have been part of the plan all along?


The skeptical side of me -- yes :(

Like they think if they get 'everyone' to say the same thing, we'll have to believe them :roll: We'll think they tried even harder  :evil:

Hope that side of me is wrong.



I hope they aren't pinning the whole case on what they find in the sands of Aruba. The have plenty of evidence in Holland. In fact, they have two of their perps sitting right there in their back yard. They need to haul their butts in and talk to them real hard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 08:58:55 PM
WARNING----NEWSFLASH


rumor is going around that PAULUS is in desperate need of a shower


his sweating is out of CONTROL  :colors:





PREDICTION ------K2 and JORAN are hauled back in  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:01:22 PM
Quote from: "robots"
WARNING----NEWSFLASH


rumor is going around that PAULUS is in desperate need of a shower


his sweating is out of CONTROL  :colors:





PREDICTION ------K2 and JORAN are hauled back in  8)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/bingo2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
WARNING----NEWSFLASH


rumor is going around that PAULUS is in desperate need of a shower


his sweating is out of CONTROL  :colors:





PREDICTION ------K2 and JORAN are hauled back in  8)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/bingo2.gif)



JACKPOT baby !! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
Robots: One of these days you are going to give me a heart attack!  :lol:

I just got here and saw your "WARNING NEWSFLASH" as I scrolled down and my heart skipped!  :shock:

Oh, I'm scared of feeling optimistic, but it's edging up on me!

Has anyone heard from Beth? I wonder what her take is on this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
another rumor circulating the net


ANITA is also skerrrrrrrrrrrrred to get too close to papa sloot

he stinks

just like his STORIES  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?

According to Jossy, YES!



Initially we questioned why it would take ten investigators to come in and close a case. It didn't make sense. It only takes one talking head to close a case.

Anybody think this second wave of policeman may have been part of the plan all along?

Strange isn't it, ten, twenty, what the hey.... maybe they are rewarding some of the Dutch investigators with a paid vacation.
I want to be optimistic about this but it's tough.  Supposedly all the evidence has been sent to the motherland.  
If the criminals can't be re-interrogated, what would twenty investigators do there?
Peter DeVries ALONE, did more to expose the murderers-rapists, than any legal investigator.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Robots: One of these days you are going to give me a heart attack!  :lol:

I just got here and saw your "WARNING NEWSFLASH" as I scrolled down and my heart skipped!  :shock:

Oh, I'm scared of feeling optimistic, but it's edging up on me!

Has anyone heard from Beth? I wonder what her take is on this?


im sorry CBB

i think your great, i will take care of you   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 18, 2007, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Robots: One of these days you are going to give me a heart attack!  :lol:

I just got here and saw your "WARNING NEWSFLASH" as I scrolled down and my heart skipped!  :shock:

Oh, I'm scared of feeling optimistic, but it's edging up on me!

Has anyone heard from Beth? I wonder what her take is on this?


im sorry CBB

i think your great, i will take care of you   8)


I think you're great too, Robots! I was just pulling your dino tail!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 09:05:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
An article in Amigoe today indicates that the Dutch discovered something while going through all the evidence sent to the Netherlands months ago and that has caused them to send all these agents to Aruba.


And there first stop was at the Noord Police Station?? Hopefully the first person they talked to was dennis jacobs..

Holiday Avatar Test :D

******* - your avatar is wonderful!  Maybe they stopped by Noord for breakfast? :wink:


Yeh Crazybaby did a great job!!
It looks like Dennis Jacobs can eat a mean breakfeast.. :lol:

Alot of things just dont make sense..Like the interrogations that aren't on record..The confession that never happened.The conflict of interest..So many things must have jumped out at them. No better place to start then the man that handled all the evidence..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
:smt033

"uhhhhhh... Paulus,,, tell a little more about what you were doing at
4 AM ?"


 :smt033


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Robots: One of these days you are going to give me a heart attack!  :lol:

I just got here and saw your "WARNING NEWSFLASH" as I scrolled down and my heart skipped!  :shock:

Oh, I'm scared of feeling optimistic, but it's edging up on me!

Has anyone heard from Beth? I wonder what her take is on this?


im sorry CBB

i think your great, i will take care of you   8)


I think you're great too, Robots! I was just pulling your dino tail!  :wink:




 :wink:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 18, 2007, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Klaas:

So it's confirmed that the Dutch are sending in inforcements?

According to Jossy, YES!



Initially we questioned why it would take ten investigators to come in and close a case. It didn't make sense. It only takes one talking head to close a case.

Anybody think this second wave of policeman may have been part of the plan all along?

Strange isn't it, ten, twenty, what the hey.... maybe they are rewarding some of the Dutch investigators with a paid vacation.
I want to be optimistic about this but it's tough.  Supposedly all the evidence has been sent to the motherland.  
If the criminals can't be re-interrogated, what would twenty investigators do there?
Peter DeVries ALONE, did more to expose the murderers-rapists, than any legal investigator.



True Indy, DeVries opened more Dutch eyes in one hour than the rest of their media did in a year and a half.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i have always known they will get these pigs  8)

They ain't gottem yet and I ain't selling the farm just yet.  Been disappointed too many times before -- I hope you're feeling is right.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
i have always known they will get these pigs  8)

They ain't gottem yet and I ain't selling the farm just yet.  Been disappointed too many times before -- I hope you're feeling is right.


i hear ya

but they will get em

maybe this week
maybe next year

but they will get them

someon will PUKE up the info EVENTUALLY  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 09:14:59 PM
Dutch discover something... :batman:

Besides a mountain of lies that make PJ2KGFKSL look guilty as hell?

I'm with Dayhiker re Cops with Sticks pic. Reminds me of similar pic during the first critical final phase.

Thanks Klaas, Easy, Jossy for updates.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 09:17:13 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!

I'm cautiously optimistic  :wink:



I hate to say this, but when I saw those pics you posted Klaas the first thing I thought was...

DOG & PONY SHOW!!!


 :!:


Dayhiker, I know what you mean but ... maybe ... just maybe ...

I am skeptical ... it is no longer just about implicating Paulus, Joran and ... whoever else participated in the events encompassing that fateful morning.  Dayhiker ... it is about implicating those behind the coverup .... the corrupt investigation.  I cannot comprehend that happening.

However ... I am still praying for a miracle ... praying the family's two year nightmare may come come to an end and ... there will be at least a measure of closure ... enough for them to more on in life  ... while keeping their precious Natalee in their hearts.

Janet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 09:17:33 PM
During the research indications have up come, as a result of which the KPLD found it necessary to send eight agents to Aruba.
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sharon on April 18, 2007, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


I hope they aren't pinning the whole case on what they find in the sands of Aruba. The have plenty of evidence in Holland. In fact, they have two of their perps sitting right there in their back yard. They need to haul their butts in and talk to them real hard.


That same skeptical side of me thinks they may have orchestrated something for damage control. Some believeable scenario. But not the truth, or at least not the whole truth. They decided to cut their losses.

I would be deliriously happy for that to be wrong and for justice to begin to thunder for Natalee and her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: "robots"
During the research indications have up come, as a result of which the KPLD found it necessary to send eight agents to Aruba.
 8)

My research came to the same conclusion 2 years ago. And it saw the need for 800 agents, not 8. To take Noord Station by force.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 18, 2007, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Thanks, Klaas.

It only took me two years to attempt the feat. LOL

Excellent instructions!

Wow--I hope Easy's right! Can you imagine!!

I'm cautiously optimistic  :wink:



I hate to say this, but when I saw those pics you posted Klaas the first thing I thought was...

DOG & PONY SHOW!!!


 :!:


Dayhiker, I know what you mean but ... maybe ... just maybe ...

I am skeptical ... it is no longer just about implicating Paulus, Joran and ... whoever else participated in the events encompassing that fateful morning.  Dayhiker ... it is about implicating those behind the coverup .... the corrupt investigation.  I cannot comprehend that happening.

However ... I am still praying for a miracle ... praying the family's two year nightmare may come come to an end and ... there will be at least a measure of closure ... enough for them to more on in life  ... while keeping their precious Natalee in their hearts.

Janet.

Janet, you've changed me, I'm turning optimistic too.  I want so badly for someone to step in and call a stop to this obvious cover-up and the fact that they now have 10 - 20 Dutch investigators there must mean something.  I doubt there are 20 investigators in the whole ALE.
I think they should have left one or two back in the Netherlands to grill KJ, that could be very effective (ooops, there's my pessimism showing againd  :D )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 18, 2007, 09:25:58 PM
Isn't that a file photo of the Dutch Marines when they searched the dunes before?  Not supposed to be these new investigators, I hope.  But I think they are showing us that so we will think it is this new group?

Not sure what's with that photo.  Don't like it being presented in association with this new investigation.

Am thinking of a list of those who obstructed the investigation like KJ, Dompig, Dennis Jacobs, Judge DeWitt, really all of the judges involved, etc. all those that should be arrested in this fiasco.  If this is for real, at least some of those who professionally covered up will be among the first to be detained and questioned concerning their part in the concealment of evidence, etc.

Failure to perform, etc. just may be illegal after all as it is in the entire rest of the world.

Not optimistic yet but they have my attention.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Isn't that a file photo of the Dutch Marines when they searched the dunes before?  Not supposed to be these new investigators, I hope.  But I think they are showing us that so we will think it is this new group?

Not sure what's with that photo.  Don't like it being presented in association with this new investigation.

Am thinking of a list of those who obstructed the investigation like KJ, Dompig, Dennis Jacobs, Judge DeWitt, really all of the judges involved, etc. all those that should be arrested in this fiasco.  If this is for real, at least some of those who professionally covered up will be among the first to be detained and questioned concerning their part in the concealment of evidence, etc.

Failure to perform, etc. just may be illegal after all as it is in the entire rest of the world.

Not optimistic yet but they have my attention.

.

.


Anna - it could be.  Let me see if I have that other photo.  They could have simply used something they already had on file.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 09:30:52 PM
Anna, the old pic i am thinking of had a bunch of ALE recruits in their cub scout shorts. So it is a different pic.

Could still be a file photo, though. And like you said, i hope it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 09:31:39 PM
I have been sitting her thinking.  What if a deal has been negociated in attempt for Aruba to save face and not have to have their dirty little  secrets revealed by Paulus Van der Sloot.  Joran will take personal responsibility for making Natalee "disappear" after "something bad happened" ... while Paulus is left off the hook.  Maybe Deepak will assume some responsibility.

Jug Twitty implied that considering Joran was a minor at the time of Natalee's disappearance ... the consequences would not be great.

Janet


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 29, 2005

TWITTY: Well, I hope they haven`t. I mean -- but you know, the way this whole investigation`s going it seems that way. You know, what I wish, Nancy, is I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he`s saying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Anna, the old pic i am thinking of had a bunch of ALE recruits in their cub scout shorts. So it is a different pic.

Could still be a file photo, though. And like you said, i hope it is.


I think this is the one you are thinking of Igsigs:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GlendaSearch011606.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 18, 2007, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
WARNING----NEWSFLASH


rumor is going around that PAULUS is in desperate need of a shower


his sweating is out of CONTROL  :colors:





PREDICTION ------K2 and JORAN are hauled back in  8)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/bingo2.gif)
:lol:  :lol: Hi Monkeys!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 09:38:12 PM
Let's get to the next page. I have something to post and I don't want to post it on the "big" page.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 09:38:25 PM
Ack!  It's Glenda.

Appreciate warning next time Klaas! TIA

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 09:40:10 PM
Phew! Now I can make my post.  :lol:

Below is an email I got from Easy. He said it was okay to post it, but to emphasize that what Jossy said is only his opinion that he gave during a conversation with Easy.

I asked Jossy if there was anything new in the Amigoe article that was published today.
 
************************
 
Yes it is, because for the first time the Dutch confirm that new indications have come up that warrants the sending of the 8 agents of the Nederlandse Korps Landelijke Politiediensten to Aruba! They haven't come empty-handed, but with a clear indication as to what they are going after while in Aruba to search for the whereabouts of the missing teen Natalee Holloway. This is good news as far as the "indications" is concerneed, and basing myself upon my experiencie in so many years in this business, I think they have more than just "indications"!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:40:33 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Ack!  It's Glenda.

Appreciate warning next time Klaas! TIA

 :lol:


LOL - sorry about that.  It just happened to be what I could find quickly  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Phew! Now I can make my post.  :lol:

Below is an email I got from Easy. He said it was okay to post it, but to emphasize that what Jossy said is only his opinion that he gave during a conversation with Easy.

I asked Jossy if there was anything new in the Amigoe article that was published today.
 
************************
 
Yes it is, because for the first time the Dutch confirm that new indications have come up that warrants the sending of the 8 agents of the Nederlandse Korps Landelijke Politiediensten to Aruba! They haven't come empty-handed, but with a clear indication as to what they are going after while in Aruba to search for the whereabouts of the missing teen Natalee Holloway. This is good news as far as the "indications" is concerneed, and basing myself upon my experiencie in so many years in this business, I think they have more than just "indications"!


BTgirl and EASY - THANKS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 09:42:30 PM
More than indications...

Thanks BTgirl!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 18, 2007, 09:43:38 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Phew! Now I can make my post.  :lol:

Below is an email I got from Easy. He said it was okay to post it, but to emphasize that what Jossy said is only his opinion that he gave during a conversation with Easy.

I asked Jossy if there was anything new in the Amigoe article that was published today.
 
************************
 
Yes it is, because for the first time the Dutch confirm that new indications have come up that warrants the sending of the 8 agents of the Nederlandse Korps Landelijke Politiediensten to Aruba! They haven't come empty-handed, but with a clear indication as to what they are going after while in Aruba to search for the whereabouts of the missing teen Natalee Holloway. This is good news as far as the "indications" is concerneed, and basing myself upon my experiencie in so many years in this business, I think they have more than just "indications"!
BT, I wish so much that this would be true..(I know it is Jossy's opinion) But wouldn't this be fantastic!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
More than indications...

Thanks BTgirl!


I really hope the Jossey is right!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 09:45:41 PM
OH Look how cute I am!!!  Thanks CBB it is adorable!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "igsigs"
More than indications...

Thanks BTgirl!


I really hope the Jossey is right!!!


 Catching up... and same here AZ.

 TY BT and Easy  !!!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 18, 2007, 09:48:11 PM
Klaas,
I think it may be part of this series

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/3park4.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:49:10 PM
MF is saying this photo is an old file photo of the Dutch Marines.  MF is probably right in that it's a file photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/AmigoeDutch041707b.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Klaas,
I think it may be part of this series

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/3park4.jpg)

It probably is Anna.  They just threw in a file photo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 18, 2007, 09:50:36 PM
And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable. And you know, my mission is to keep pressure for them to keep asking questions of Paul because he knows more than he`s saying.[/quote]

I can't think of a better time to bring this guy down!! The damage he inflicted you cant just cant measure. A public hanging is too extreme but a couple years in jail doesnt seem right either..

If he was any kind of father this would have been over 22 months ago..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 18, 2007, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
OH Look how cute I am!!!  Thanks CBB it is adorable!!
You are cute!!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 18, 2007, 09:55:01 PM
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Phew! Now I can make my post.  :lol:

Below is an email I got from Easy. He said it was okay to post it, but to emphasize that what Jossy said is only his opinion that he gave during a conversation with Easy.

I asked Jossy if there was anything new in the Amigoe article that was published today.
 
************************
 
Yes it is, because for the first time the Dutch confirm that new indications have come up that warrants the sending of the 8 agents of the Nederlandse Korps Landelijke Politiediensten to Aruba! They haven't come empty-handed, but with a clear indication as to what they are going after while in Aruba to search for the whereabouts of the missing teen Natalee Holloway. This is good news as far as the "indications" is concerneed, and basing myself upon my experiencie in so many years in this business, I think they have more than just "indications"!


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Where is  van der Stratten?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 09:56:18 PM
I know the investagotors have arrived in Aruba, but have the additional special forces "cops" arrived as well?  That would be 18  people, correct?  That is a lot of people to send over if they didn't feel that had a valid reason.  I am very hopeful


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Phew! Now I can make my post.  :lol:

Below is an email I got from Easy. He said it was okay to post it, but to emphasize that what Jossy said is only his opinion that he gave during a conversation with Easy.

I asked Jossy if there was anything new in the Amigoe article that was published today.
 
************************
 
Yes it is, because for the first time the Dutch confirm that new indications have come up that warrants the sending of the 8 agents of the Nederlandse Korps Landelijke Politiediensten to Aruba! They haven't come empty-handed, but with a clear indication as to what they are going after while in Aruba to search for the whereabouts of the missing teen Natalee Holloway. This is good news as far as the "indications" is concerneed, and basing myself upon my experiencie in so many years in this business, I think they have more than just "indications"!


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Where is  van der Stratten?

van der Stratten is in Bonaire still I believe


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)


Anna,  I think of the pink panther music everytime I see that picture.  da duh, da duh.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)


  ROFL Anna.. been a long time since we saw that photo!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)



Do they have riots in Aruba? Just asking.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Anna"
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)



Do they have riots in Aruba? Just asking.  :roll:


Hopefully soon!! Demanding answers!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
Klaas
Do you have access to the post about the brothel from the other day?  I have a question. TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Klaas
Do you have access to the post about the brothel from the other day?  I have a question. TIA


BleachedBlack posted:

I had posted this at BFN back on june 6,2006. What I find interesting about this womans writing now is that she references the lighthouse. Maybe Paulus was headed to a whore house. I have always felt he might have possible connections to such activities apart from being a patron.

++++++++++++++


IP: Logged
Posted: 08/22 2:22p My heart aches for Natalee and her family. I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the tv, exactly what happened to her. I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE. In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends. We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino. My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning. I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldnt go to the police. When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the tv for the Holloway-Twitty family. They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commishioner of the casino had a problem with the "man", and were also willing to help my husband and I.
We switched hotels that day, and stayed in most of the time we were there. The night before we were to leave all 6 of us decided to go to the beach. That "man" showed up. My husband and cousin got a hold of him, we asked a hotel worker to call the police (they took almost an hour to get there). We told them what had happened and they simply put him in the back of the police jeep uncuffed, and drove away with him. I guess we were all in shock, my husband and I just glad to be leaving both alive.
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a Whore-House, no big deal??
I have tried to get in touch with the Beth Holloway, I think I could maybe help her or at least tell her that Natalee didnt feel any pain, as I said I was drugged and I dont remember anything until the next day. A lot of parents are now coming on tv again with the same situations of missing children from all islands, but none have gotten any justice or even an answer. It seems I am the only one to have survived. I pray for Natalee and her family every morning and every night, and badly wish there was a way to comfort her mom, who has been, and has had to be, a very strong woman. My husband had to only endure a couple hours of not knowing if I was alive or what happened. He said he cant imagine how they feel. So our hearts and prayers are with them daily. I hope this all ends soon for them, no mother should have to be put through this.
I havent been able to talk about what happened to me for 9 years, but I would do ANYTHING to help Natalee and her family.
A.Cormier


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a Whore-House, no big deal??

This doesn't really make sense, because the Holiday Inn and the light house are not close together.  It is at least a 20 minute ride.   You arrive at the holiday Inn and then go East (? i think) through neighborhoods, for  about 10 minutes and then North ( I think)  to the light house about 15 minutes.  At least during traffic during the day.  Right behind the Holiday Inn are different businesses and then homes and neighborhoods.  there is not an immediate desert there, and that is not how you get to the lighthouse.  Am I nit picking?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 10:16:21 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a Whore-House, no big deal??

This doesn't really make sense, because the Holiday Inn and the light house are not close together.  It is at least a 20 minute ride.   You arrive at the holiday Inn and then go East (? i think) through neighborhoods, for  about 10 minutes and then North ( I think)  to the light house about 15 minutes.  At least during traffic during the day.  Right behind the Holiday Inn are different businesses and then homes and neighborhoods.  there is not an immediate desert there, and that is not how you get to the lighthouse.  Am I nit picking?


No but I am about to be...where is the desert exactly?  Is it in the interior portion of Aruba?  I need to see a map, I guess.  I want to try to narrow this place down...yes, I am going somewhere with this. Given this woman had this take place in the dark, could she have been mistaken?  Anyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a Whore-House, no big deal??

This doesn't really make sense, because the Holiday Inn and the light house are not close together.  It is at least a 20 minute ride.   You arrive at the holiday Inn and then go East (? i think) through neighborhoods, for  about 10 minutes and then North ( I think)  to the light house about 15 minutes.  At least during traffic during the day.  Right behind the Holiday Inn are different businesses and then homes and neighborhoods.  there is not an immediate desert there, and that is not how you get to the lighthouse.  Am I nit picking?


AZ ... maybe somebody has a map on file.  IIRC there was a lighthouse in close proximity to the fishman's hut and dunes.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 18, 2007, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
They have never mentioned on the news the brothel out in the desert behind the Holiday Inn pass the light house, thats were I was taken to, a police-woman told me that it was a Whore-House, no big deal??

This doesn't really make sense, because the Holiday Inn and the light house are not close together.  It is at least a 20 minute ride.   You arrive at the holiday Inn and then go East (? i think) through neighborhoods, for  about 10 minutes and then North ( I think)  to the light house about 15 minutes.  At least during traffic during the day.  Right behind the Holiday Inn are different businesses and then homes and neighborhoods.  there is not an immediate desert there, and that is not how you get to the lighthouse.  Am I nit picking?


Nope. We need to verify anything that comes our way, not just accept or reject something because it does or does not fit our scenarios.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:27:22 PM
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?


Yes, there are two.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?

Yes, one is at the Northern tip of the island...the California Lighthouse.  It's the "real" lighthouse.  Then there is the Seroe Colorado lighthouse closer to the refinery area at the Southern tip of the island, but it's not really a lighthouse...more just an old light beacon.

(http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/seroe1.jpg)

http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/seroe.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 10:31:35 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?

I think you are right BT there are two.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:32:45 PM
Klaas,

Could you please whip out one of those handy maps you always have around that's labeled with some of the major sites?

TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?

I think you are right BT there are two.

I should have just waited for Klaas to answer she gives pictures with her answer :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?

Yes, one is at the Northern tip of the island...the California Lighthouse.  It's the "real" lighthouse.  Then there is the Seroe Colorado lighthouse closer to the refinery area at the Southern tip of the island, but it's not really a lighthouse...more just an old light beacon.

(http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/seroe1.jpg)

http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/seroe.html


 I think I am going to throw up  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
 That same photo that you posted Klaas is one that an AOL user has.. and its his ICON on AIM  :shock:   And he is from Aruba too. NO. I have neevr spoken to him.. someone else gave me the addy.
 I dont know if its ok to post here whos it is.. and the AOL profile.. to see for yourself?  When he signs on. there is a chilling bell sound.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Aren't there two different lighthouses? Or am I demonstrating my bad memory again?  :?

I think you are right BT there are two.

I should have just waited for Klaas to answer she gives pictures with her answer :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 10:36:35 PM
Does anybody know what is being referred to as the "Lighthouse dunes" in the following article and ... where are these dunes located?

Thanks

Janet


Bon Dia Aruba
4/3/2006

ORANJESTAD – During the weekend, work for the search of Natalee Holloway continued in Aruba. From Wednesday, the work for the search intensified with the special group from Holland which came with a total of 11 persons and 2 special dogs to search, and continued over the weekend. Their focus this weekend was around the Lighthouse dunes. But they still haven’t located anything concrete of the Holloway person.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 10:37:18 PM
Just to add to my post, myself and others always thought the ICON looked like some sort of watch tower.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas,

Could you please whip out one of those handy maps you always have around that's labeled with some of the major sites?

TY


You want locations or suspect home info?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Does anybody know what is being referred to as the "Lighthouse dunes" in the following article and ... where are these dunes located?

Thanks

Janet


Bon Dia Aruba
4/3/2006

ORANJESTAD – During the weekend, work for the search of Natalee Holloway continued in Aruba. From Wednesday, the work for the search intensified with the special group from Holland which came with a total of 11 persons and 2 special dogs to search, and continued over the weekend. Their focus this weekend was around the Lighthouse dunes. But they still haven’t located anything concrete of the Holloway person.


Yes, they are the dunes located near the rocks in the Aru Bay videos.  If I knew how to post it I would show you the pics in another thread on here.  Alas, I am computer challenged.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:40:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas,

Could you please whip out one of those handy maps you always have around that's labeled with some of the major sites?

TY


You want locations or suspect home info?


The hotels, lighthouses, etc., if you have something like that.

Thanks again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/arubamapnew.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MapEvidence7-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MapEvidence2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas,

Could you please whip out one of those handy maps you always have around that's labeled with some of the major sites?

TY


You want locations or suspect home info?


The hotels, lighthouses, etc., if you have something like that.

Thanks again.


I want to know where the desert is located, too...please.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:43:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MapHotel070206.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 10:44:27 PM
Klaas

 Did you see my post on the previous page or so?  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 10:46:17 PM
The girl stepped out of the car and she fell on the ground because she was very drunk. I saw that Joran got out of the car to help the girl. I saw that he held her under her armpits so that she could stand.


the story as to why she was BEATEN up was planned well in advance

REASON ----   because there was no reason to even mention this load
of HORSE CRAP


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Umm  nevermind..  :oops:   ICON I guess may be a lifegaurd tower  but even so.. its alot similiar  sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:46:50 PM
Looking at the maps Klaas posted, I can see where somewhere could refer to the California lighthouse as being "behind" the hotel, if they were speaking loosely and didn't literally mean right behind it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Klaas,

Could you please whip out one of those handy maps you always have around that's labeled with some of the major sites?

TY


You want locations or suspect home info?


The hotels, lighthouses, etc., if you have something like that.

Thanks again.


I want to know where the desert is located, too...please.


http://www.aruba.com/pages/geographymaps.htm

Aruba lies at the heart of the southern Caribbean, about two-and-a-half hours by air from Miami, Florida and 15 miles north of Venezuela. The island is 19.6 miles long, and six miles across at its widest point, with a total area of 70 square miles. Aruba boasts year-round great weather, cooling trade winds and friendly people.

On the island's South coast, the topography and vegetation are unusual for a Caribbean island. On the south and west coasts are miles of pristine white beaches that rank among the most beautiful in the world, rimmed by calm blue seas with visibility in some areas to a depth of a hundred feet.

The Northeast coast, along the Atlantic shore, is rugged and wild. The interior is desert-like, with a variety of cacti and dramatic rock formations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Umm  nevermind..  :oops:   ICON I guess may be a lifegaurd tower  but even so.. its alot similiar  sorry.


Maybe it's something to do with that hotel that has the big buoy thing that people swim to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 10:49:07 PM
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet


48 HOURS MYSTERY
March 23, 2006

A new witness has come forward in Aruba with information that has prompted authorities to renew their search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in the sand dunes near the lighthouse on the northern end of the island, an area previous the focus of police searches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 10:49:07 PM
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas

 Did you see my post on the previous page or so?  :shock:

Yeah Angie - I think I know who you mean too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Looking at the maps Klaas posted, I can see where somewhere could refer to the California lighthouse as being "behind" the hotel, if they were speaking loosely and didn't literally mean right behind it.


But it isn't right behind...it is a long way away! You certainly could not walk there.  The lighhouse is at the very tip of the island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 18, 2007, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas

 Did you see my post on the previous page or so?  :shock:

Yeah Angie - I think I know who you mean too.


 I'm sure you do  :wink:   RS   :shock:
 I got that link from someone else long ago.. lol Not stealing her info. :wink:

 BT that pic just reminded me of an Aruban persons icon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Looking at the maps Klaas posted, I can see where somewhere could refer to the California lighthouse as being "behind" the hotel, if they were speaking loosely and didn't literally mean right behind it.


But it isn't right behind...it is a long way away! You certainly could not walk there.  The lighhouse is at the very tip of the island.


the light house is surrounded by desert.  but that is really not "right" behind the Holiday Inn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 10:56:47 PM
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.



BEACH STORY ------LOAD  



8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 18, 2007, 10:58:16 PM
Toothbrush time here - darn it!

Night monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas

 Did you see my post on the previous page or so?  :shock:

Yeah Angie - I think I know who you mean too.


 I'm sure you do  :wink:   RS   :shock:
 I got that link from someone else long ago.. lol Not stealing her info. :wink:

 BT that pic just reminded me of an Aruban persons icon.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RIcon.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet


48 HOURS MYSTERY
March 23, 2006

A new witness has come forward in Aruba with information that has prompted authorities to renew their search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in the sand dunes near the lighthouse on the northern end of the island, an area previous the focus of police searches.


The sand dunes are all around the lighthouse area.   I believe that the area they were looking in are to the west of the island.  If you could go to the light house, and from  there  go  straight south for 5 to 7 miles or more, you would be at the holiday Inn.  but there is not a road that goes from the light house area to the  Holdiay Inn except to go inland, and you pass by a number of highly populated neighborhoods, and the cemetary before you get there.  I am pretty confident that there is no other way to reach the light house by an outside road along the coast.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 18, 2007, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Anna"
Just posting this for old times sake, Igs!

Riot control?  The way it works is the rioters fall down laughing and become helpless with mirth at the sight of these clowns!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/BlackTeam2.jpg)



Do they have riots in Aruba? Just asking.  :roll:



Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pm
Dutch the west coast is busy…however, that road between the bushes is very hidden. Have taken girls there myself, but in cars. If you are on foot it would be so easy to hide in the mangroves. The fishermen’s huts. There are no streetlights there.

How come the “Black Team” was not aware is beyond me. They are all over in that area. At least they used to be.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:12 pm
The Black Team is a special force in Aruba that patrols amongst others beaches. Fully armed to the teeth, in black, with black hoods, with black SUV’s and ATV’s.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 18, 2007, 11:07:17 PM
To your question whether I am sure that Joran and the girl walked off in the direction of the beach after I dropped them off, I can say the following.

Yes. Joran got out of the car first. The girl got out on the same side as Joran had gotten out. Hand in hand they walked into the direction of the beach..

they never made it to the beach

who picked em up ?? 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 11:12:39 PM
Quote from: "robots"
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


robots ... I agree .  I contend that a deceased Natalee was taken to the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  The gardener's observation at 2:30 AM that fateful morning attests to that.  Deepak's vehicle was parked across the street from the Marriot Beach with Joran, him and (?) sitting inside.  There was no Natalee.

Janet


The Gardener
NANCY GRACE
August 15, 2005

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: ... according to a defense attorney, because they`re allowed to be present, someone who was there, we are told that the questioning lasted for about four hours. And it happened early today. Now, he said that he did see Joran for sure and was able to pick him out from a photo line-up, was also able to identify Deepak from a photo line- up, but not Satish Kalpoe.  ... He did tell the authorities in this particular -- let`s call it, for all intents and purposes, a deposition, that he recognized the car in particular because of the distinctive rims that it has. And apparently, he`s a car enthusiast and remembered that point specifically.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
To your question whether I am sure that Joran and the girl walked off in the direction of the beach after I dropped them off, I can say the following.

Yes. Joran got out of the car first. The girl got out on the same side as Joran had gotten out. Hand in hand they walked into the direction of the beach..

they never made it to the beach

who picked em up ?? 8)



but...robots, you just posted a quote that said they never got out of Deepak's car...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 11:16:43 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet


48 HOURS MYSTERY
March 23, 2006

A new witness has come forward in Aruba with information that has prompted authorities to renew their search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in the sand dunes near the lighthouse on the northern end of the island, an area previous the focus of police searches.


The sand dunes are all around the lighthouse area.   I believe that the area they were looking in are to the west of the island.  If you could go to the light house, and from  there  go  straight south for 5 to 7 miles or more, you would be at the holiday Inn.  but there is not a road that goes from the light house area to the  Holdiay Inn except to go inland, and you pass by a number of highly populated neighborhoods, and the cemetary before you get there.  I am pretty confident that there is no other way to reach the light house by an outside road along the coast.


Thank you AZ.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 11:18:45 PM
Klaas,  I just emailed you about 5 or 6 pictures that may help clarify for them the distance and terrain. .  I am having a hard time explaining the distance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet


48 HOURS MYSTERY
March 23, 2006

A new witness has come forward in Aruba with information that has prompted authorities to renew their search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in the sand dunes near the lighthouse on the northern end of the island, an area previous the focus of police searches.


The sand dunes are all around the lighthouse area.   I believe that the area they were looking in are to the west of the island.  If you could go to the light house, and from  there  go  straight south for 5 to 7 miles or more, you would be at the holiday Inn.  but there is not a road that goes from the light house area to the  Holdiay Inn except to go inland, and you pass by a number of highly populated neighborhoods, and the cemetary before you get there.  I am pretty confident that there is no other way to reach the light house by an outside road along the coast.


Thank you AZ.


And the road to the light house for the last couple of miles is very very rustic and bumpy before you get to the parking area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Klaas,  I just emailed you about 5 or 6 pictures that may help clarify for them the distance and terrain. .  I am having a hard time explaining the distance.


OK, I'll check my email.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Klaas,  I just emailed you about 5 or 6 pictures that may help clarify for them the distance and terrain. .  I am having a hard time explaining the distance.


AZSunny - no email yet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:25:27 PM
IMO, the entire island except for the beach area is desert like.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
IMO, the entire island except for the beach area is desert like.


That's what I was thinking.  After looking at so many pictures I see only the pretty areas as those that are cultivated to be so.  Now, where would these brothels be located?  Do you have idea?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 18, 2007, 11:28:25 PM
Hello Monkeys.
Just a quick post to thank all of you who do not venture into the Monkey Lounge for your prayers, thoughts and candles which helped us both so much through the past few days.  A very sad and emotionally draining time.

I have been reading to catch up and see a slight glimmer of hope for some resolution in Natalee's case.  I hope they are committed to bringing this to a satisfactory conclusion and not just a "show" for the world.  Seems hard to imagine they would send so many investigators for just a charade.
Back to reading and lurking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 18, 2007, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Klaas,  I just emailed you about 5 or 6 pictures that may help clarify for them the distance and terrain. .  I am having a hard time explaining the distance.


AZSunny - no email yet


I mailed have mailed too many at once.  let me know if you didn't get them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 11:36:30 PM
Hi Tib. Missed you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)

I guess Joran takes after his mom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:43:46 PM
Pictures from AZSunny - thanks AZ:

The Holiday Inn area:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060037.jpg)

The road to the Lighthouse:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060031.jpg)

The LightHouse:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060028.jpg)

From the Lighthouse to the beach area by the Holiday Inn and the Marriott:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060025.jpg)

View from the restaurant by the Lighthouse.  The dunes are below this area and are not visible:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060030.jpg)

From the sea outside of the Holiday Inn but north of there, and looking north towards the Lighthouse:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/P1060041.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 18, 2007, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hi Tib. Missed you.


Hi Lala's.  Missed you too.  Glad I missed the peel throwing competition.

Apart from the really high class brothels, don't they usually have them in industrial areas sometimes or in very isolated houses?
Had some crimes involving brothels in the news a while ago and one was a very secluded ordinary looking house on acreage in a suburban setting and another behind a warehouse/shop fronted premises.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:44:55 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkeys.
Just a quick post to thank all of you who do not venture into the Monkey Lounge for your prayers, thoughts and candles which helped us both so much through the past few days.  A very sad and emotionally draining time.

I have been reading to catch up and see a slight glimmer of hope for some resolution in Natalee's case.  I hope they are committed to bringing this to a satisfactory conclusion and not just a "show" for the world.  Seems hard to imagine they would send so many investigators for just a charade.
Back to reading and lurking.

Hi Tibro - HUGS to you, I know it must have been a very emotional day for you and your husband.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2007, 11:45:30 PM
It has been a day that has given us hope that justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family may be forthcoming.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

8:45 PM PDST


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2007, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It has been a day that has given us hope that justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family may be forthcoming.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

8:45 PM PDST


Nite Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 18, 2007, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It has been a day that has given us hope that justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family may be forthcoming.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

8:45 PM PDST

Goodnight Tamikosmom.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 18, 2007, 11:51:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 18, 2007, 11:55:36 PM
Hi LaLa's Mom and all the other monkeys!

Tibro:  Welcome back...  it may take time, but time heals all.
In the interim, maybe a few silly monkeys can lift your spirits.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Wonder when this photo was taken?

I would guess June 05. Around the time of Paulus' arrest or before. That is when tensions were high...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 18, 2007, 11:56:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


Looks like Anita has signed up for Dompigs security firm training school.
Note the buddha in the background between the guys waist (in light slacks) and his wrist with gold watch/bracelet.
No, I do not think it is photoshopped :lol:

Thank you for the thoughts, Klaas.  It was a very difficult time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: adoronron on April 18, 2007, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


She's showing off her size 14 shoes. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 18, 2007, 11:59:34 PM
adoronron  :lol:  @ shoes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 12:02:50 AM
Posted earlier today by MF at FOB:

Update: The Minister of Justice H. Croes in a press conference today acknowledged the presence of the KLPD on the island on their last intent to try to solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

During the last 2 years the Aruban government have welcomed the help from all over the world and the ALE has been working with US authorities as well with the Netherlands. Contrary to what has been speculated, the Prosecutors wanted to close the case a long time ago, but on the government insistance in showing that everything possible was done, asked one more time via the KLPD's director Mr. van Zunderd, for their help.

As he had said previously when he asked for the intervention of the KLPD, this is not a sign of mistrust of the ALE, but wanted the KLPD to investigate the case from another perspective and with a fresh mind and show their interest in solving the case.

All the documentations and other evidences of the investigation has been sent to the Netherlands, but the investigation in Aruba continued meanwhile and now the Team is on the island for their final phase in their investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted earlier today by MF at FOB:

Update: The Minister of Justice H. Croes in a press conference today acknowledged the presence of the KLPD on the island on their last intent to try to solve the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

During the last 2 years the Aruban government have welcomed the help from all over the world and the ALE has been working with US authorities as well with the Netherlands. Contrary to what has been speculated, the Prosecutors wanted to close the case a long time ago, but on the government insistance in showing that everything possible was done, asked one more time via the KLPD's director Mr. van Zunderd, for their help.

As he had said previously when he asked for the intervention of the KLPD, this is not a sign of mistrust of the ALE, but wanted the KLPD to investigate the case from another perspective and with a fresh mind and show their interest in solving the case.

All the documentations and other evidences of the investigation has been sent to the Netherlands, but the investigation in Aruba continued meanwhile and now the Team is on the island for their final phase in their investigation.


That sounds almost like the last thing you posted by MF.  Not much difference...still beating that dead horse about everything possible being done.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 12:09:17 AM
I find it interresting that at FOB they aren't talking about JK2 they are talking about Jossy.  It's all about discrediting Jossy now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 12:10:22 AM
Hi Patti.  I did have a good laugh this morning when I saw that avatar that cbb did for Mishy.  Not the one that Mishy is using now - the one she usually uses with the wagging butt, but dressed for 4 July.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I find it interresting that at FOB they aren't talking about JK2 they are talking about Jossy.  It's all about discrediting Jossy now.


Then Jossy must be right.  They only do that to those that are telling the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:12:22 AM
It kinda sounds like Mr. Croes is trying to play it down:

We just want to show that we did all we could so Aruba
can maintain its' good name and reputation - while it looks
like the Dutch may be preparing to do a "sweep" that may
end up in the arrest of several of Aruba's law enforcement
agents.  

Talk is cheap... what did Mr. Croes do to aid in the search
for Natalee... Or was he too busy entertaining his concubines?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I find it interresting that at FOB they aren't talking about JK2 they are talking about Jossy.  It's all about discrediting Jossy now.


That's par for the course in Aruba.  Their method of defense is attack,
attack, attack.... and take no prisoners.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


Looks like some sort of Karate or Self Defence training.
But with a face that would frighten sheep why would she waste her money?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Patti.  I did have a good laugh this morning when I saw that avatar that cbb did for Mishy.  Not the one that Mishy is using now - the one she usually uses with the wagging butt, but dressed for 4 July.


Tibro... I'm glad.  There's nothing better for a broke heart, than a little
laughter.  Hang in there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 12:22:21 AM
Looks like Antonio Carlo behind her..So its probably a old picture. But then again that is Paulus's new partner..


Remember the Rules and Conditions of the sloot Law Firm..

8.The legal relationship between the client and the Law Office is subject to Aruban law. Any and all disputes arising from this legal relationship shall be settled exclusively by the corrupt  judge friend of Van Der Sloot in Aruba.
 http://www.carlolawoffice.com/terms/index.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:22:48 AM
dogs lift their legs

 :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:22:50 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas

 Did you see my post on the previous page or so?  :shock:

Yeah Angie - I think I know who you mean too.


 I'm sure you do  :wink:   RS   :shock:
 I got that link from someone else long ago.. lol Not stealing her info. :wink:

 BT that pic just reminded me of an Aruban persons icon.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RIcon.jpg)



 Sorry I am behind again  :roll:  :roll:
 Yes Klaas.. that be the one..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:24:34 AM
Quote from: "robots"
dogs lift their legs

 :twisted:


and kitties.... they squat.

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
Quote from: "robots"
dogs lift their legs

 :twisted:


You have such a way with words or would that be swords.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


  OMG!  ROFLMAO  WTH is she doing?
 And speaking of  Carpe.. where is he?   Miss his funny pics..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "robots"
To your question whether I am sure that Joran and the girl walked off in the direction of the beach after I dropped them off, I can say the following.

Yes. Joran got out of the car first. The girl got out on the same side as Joran had gotten out. Hand in hand they walked into the direction of the beach..

they never made it to the beach

who picked em up ?? 8)



but...robots, you just posted a quote that said they never got out of Deepak's car...


they tend to LIE  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "robots"
dogs lift their legs

 :twisted:


You have such a way with words or would that be swords.  :lol:


the pen is mightier  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "robots"
dogs lift their legs

 :twisted:


and kitties.... they squat.

 :wink:



 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:26:07 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:27:15 AM
looks like she wears size 14  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Hey, Angie!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:





 :shock:







 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:29:28 AM
i think she has the NEW PLAN in her hand

the NEW LIES  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:30:23 AM
Quote from: "robots"
looks like she wears size 14  8)


Looks, to me, like she wears a 22 1/2.  She's definately into
half sizes and half wits as well.

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:30:59 AM
I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours.


paulus, where is your PHONE ????


HUH ??????????????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:31:23 AM
Quote from: "robots"
looks like she wears size 14  8)


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:32:13 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "robots"
looks like she wears size 14  8)


Looks, to me, like she wears a 22 1/2.  She's definately into
half sizes and half wits as well.

 :roll:




 :mrgreen:  :smt005


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:33:03 AM
Quote from: "robots"
I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours.


paulus, where is your PHONE ????


HUH ??????????????


Good Boy, Joran.... make sure you get your father's stories in there.
You know, give him some credability... NOT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:33:31 AM
At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.


LOAD ALERT

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:34:21 AM
Sorry.. if I offened anyone   :oops:  

Howdy Patti and Robots and everyone!

I guess I am a bit on the ornery side. Nobody could ever tell that, huh?  :wink:
 She seriusoly does appear to be kicking that person in the butt?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:34:28 AM
My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now.


ohhhhhhhhhhhhh  geeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhh


the lies just pop out of him like a pimple

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:34:57 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Sorry.. if I offened anyone   :oops:  

Howdy Patti and Robots and everyone!

I guess I am a bit on the ornery side. Nobody could ever tell that, huh?  :wink:
 She seriusoly does appear to be kicking that person in the butt?




 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


ROFL!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 12:37:15 AM
Quote from: "robots"
At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.


LOAD ALERT

 :roll:


Gosh!  Maybe it could have been later?  Like maybe 4 AM?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "robots"
At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.


LOAD ALERT

 :roll:


Gosh!  Maybe it could have been later?  Like maybe 4 AM?


i think paulgutless made 2 trips

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:40:35 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom
Quote from: "robots"
At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.


LOAD ALERT

 :roll:




  YEPPERS!!
 AND since you laughed at my naughty post. I guess it is safe to assume, I am not written up in your book..  :)  
  Maybe she had gas?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:42:26 AM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "robots"
At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.


LOAD ALERT

 :roll:




  YEPPERS!!
 AND since you laughed at my naughty post. I guess it is safe to assume, I am not written up in your book..  :)  
  Maybe she had gas?   :shock:



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
Robot:

Maybe he called his mom that night, too.....

"Mommy, I did something bad and Daddy won't let me go to jail"

"Don't worry, Honey... I'll take care of it as soon as I get home.
I'm glad you listened to your mommy and called a responsible
adult.  You did good."

"Oh, Mommy, if only you were here.... I would never have had to
go out at all.  Who needs a hot, sexy American girl, when I have you."

"I know, Honey....  It's my fault."

"Yeah, Mommy.  If only you were here.... none of this would have happened."

Aruba:  Throw them all in jail.  Every single last one of them that looked
the other way while they pulled strings, coached and did everything they
could to protect a psychopathic moron from prosecution.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:46:19 AM
I changed clothes.. LOL
 Have a few months til the 4th yet..  CBB and Klaas both fixed me up  :)
 So  will use  both of their creative works of art!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 12:46:47 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Robot:

Maybe he called his mom that night, too.....

"Mommy, I did something bad and Daddy won't let me go to jail"

"Don't worry, Honey... I'll take care of it as soon as I get home.
I'm glad you listened to your mommy and called a responsible
adult.  You did good."

"Oh, Mommy, if only you were here.... I would never have had to
go out at all.  Who needs a hot, sexy American girl, when I have you."

"I know, Honey....  It's my fault."

"Yeah, Mommy.  If only you were here.... none of this would have happened."

Aruba:  Throw them all in jail.  Every single last one of them that looked
the other way while they pulled strings, coached and did everything they
could to protect a psychopathic moron from prosecution.



i agree 100 percent  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: casa on April 19, 2007, 12:48:10 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I changed clothes.. LOL
 Have a few months til the 4th yet..  CBB and Klaas both fixed me up  :)
 So  will use  both of their creative works of art!  :)


You look great, Angie!  Very patriotic!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 12:51:06 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I changed clothes.. LOL
 Have a few months til the 4th yet..  CBB and Klaas both fixed me up  :)
 So  will use  both of their creative works of art!  :)


Yeah... I saw that.  

I'm jealous!  

By the fourth of July, you'll have a haf-dozen outfits to choose from...

(Just Kidding)

You look cute, as usual.

How are things going?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:51:46 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I changed clothes.. LOL
 Have a few months til the 4th yet..  CBB and Klaas both fixed me up  :)
 So  will use  both of their creative works of art!  :)


You look great, Angie!  Very patriotic!!

  Hey Casa.. I love both what Klass and CBB did with my silly avi!
I have on CBBs now. and wil change to the one Klass made too!
 They both are awesome!!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Robot:

Maybe he called his mom that night, too.....

"Mommy, I did something bad and Daddy won't let me go to jail"

"Don't worry, Honey... I'll take care of it as soon as I get home.
I'm glad you listened to your mommy and called a responsible
adult.  You did good."

"Oh, Mommy, if only you were here.... I would never have had to
go out at all.  Who needs a hot, sexy American girl, when I have you."

"I know, Honey....  It's my fault."

"Yeah, Mommy.  If only you were here.... none of this would have happened."

Aruba:  Throw them all in jail.  Every single last one of them that looked
the other way while they pulled strings, coached and did everything they
could to protect a psychopathic moron from prosecution.


   :lol:  :lol:  Patti  !  good one!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I changed clothes.. LOL
 Have a few months til the 4th yet..  CBB and Klaas both fixed me up  :)
 So  will use  both of their creative works of art!  :)


Yeah... I saw that.  

I'm jealous!  

By the fourth of July, you'll have a haf-dozen outfits to choose from...

(Just Kidding)

You look cute, as usual.

How are things going?


 I look cute on Patrick Swayzes motorcycle..  ROFL  :wink:
 Ok here..  finally feeling somewhat human.
Hope all is well with you!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:02:14 AM
Tag your it..
 someone elses turn to post  :shock:    :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 01:03:19 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Tag your it..
 someone elses turn to post  :shock:    :wink:

I'm playing hookie - playing a game of spades, brb  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:04:43 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Tag your it..
 someone elses turn to post  :shock:    :wink:

I'm playing hookie - playing a game of spades, brb  :lol:

 

 LOL Can't say I blame yah  :)   You deserve a break   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 01:06:43 AM
Hi Angie - just got back and find you talking to yourself.  Must be the meds?
Hope you are feeling a bit better and able to get some sleep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 01:06:57 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


I've GOT to get here more often! WHERE did that photo come from???!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh the tag lines for that one!!!!

eeeeeeewwwwwww..............

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:07:52 AM
Pay no mind to me...
 Just wanted to see a comparison side by side..

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/seroe1.jpg) (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/RIcon.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 01:10:38 AM
I messed up the quotes on that last post... :cry:

Ya'll are on a roll tonight!

Where did that photo of Ms Grace come from?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:13:35 AM
Quote from: Tibrogargan
Hi Angie - just got back and find you talking to yourself.  Must be the meds?
Hope you are feeling a bit better and able to get some sleep.[/quote

 :wink:

 Tibro..  Hugs to you sweety.   You and your hubby have been in our thoughts and prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:15:54 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I messed up the quotes on that last post... :cry:

Ya'll are on a roll tonight!

Where did that photo of Ms Grace come from?
 

No idea CBB first I have ever seen it!

Good photo caption for it  :)


(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/15334559_l.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 01:16:31 AM
Oh no Angie...you are still in trouble.  Just because you told a joke and I laughed doesn't mean I forgive you. LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Angie - just got back and find you talking to yourself.  Must be the meds?
Hope you are feeling a bit better and able to get some sleep.[/quote

 :wink:

 Tibro..  Hugs to you sweety.   You and your hubby have been in our thoughts and prayers.


Thanks Angie.  It was a lot more difficult than I expected it to be  :cry:

Those pictures you just posted - the one on the right looks to me like one of those fire watch towers they have out in the forests.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I messed up the quotes on that last post... :cry:

Ya'll are on a roll tonight!

Where did that photo of Ms Grace come from?
 

No idea CBB first I have ever seen it!

Good photo caption for it  :)


(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/15334559_l.gif)


Angie!!  :shock:  Where are my muffs...I need them tonight. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Oh no Angie...you are still in trouble.  Just because you told a joke and I laughed doesn't mean I forgive you. LOL



 :roll:  LOL    :wink:  You know you wub me Lalas..  :wink:  Even when I am bad..   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:22:42 AM
Quote from: Tibrogargan
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Angie - just got back and find you talking to yourself.  Must be the meds?
Hope you are feeling a bit better and able to get some sleep.[/quote

 :wink:

 Tibro..  Hugs to you sweety.   You and your hubby have been in our thoughts and prayers.


Thanks Angie.  It was a lot more difficult than I expected it to be  :cry:

Those pictures you just posted - the one on the right looks to me like one of those fire watch towers they have out in the forests.


  Tibro.. that or a lifegaurds chair?   When I saw the photo Klaas posted.. it reminded me alot of the persons ICON.  I spoke to soon I think.  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 01:25:27 AM
Well.... I went to court yesterday.  What a nightmare, as usual.  The
justice system isn't all it's cracked up to be.  My ex-husband is a liar
and a crook, but he fails, miserably, next to his attorney.

It's a long story.  But I guess I won this round.  I've asked for a jury
trial.  I think juries are more honest.... and after having freed my self
of "Binding Arbitration", I will never trust a judge again.

I just got my husbands latest figures of inventory.  Even though he got
over $200,000 last year, from the fraudulant sale of our house and
makes over a quarter million dollars a year with no living expenses... it
seems as though he is going backwards.  He has less money now than he
had two years ago.

He cried yesterday... Of course, it may have had something to do with
the fact that both he and  his lawyer, who testified under oath, committed
perjury the last time they testified and had to answer for it.  Needless to
say, they lost this round.  But.... people never learn.

He lied again, yesterday in his current motion.   I just ordered the court
transcript and will have plenty with which to impeach him again.  Only
next time, it will be in front of a jury that will do something about it.

The judge set the trial for early July and said... Bring your fireworks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I messed up the quotes on that last post... :cry:

Ya'll are on a roll tonight!

Where did that photo of Ms Grace come from?
 

No idea CBB first I have ever seen it!

Good photo caption for it  :)




Angie!!  :shock:  Where are my muffs...I need them tonight. :roll:



Here they are  :)  Complimetns Of Dale Earnheart Jr  :)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/MUFFS.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:28:35 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Well.... I went to court yesterday.  What a nightmare, as usual.  The
justice system isn't all it's cracked up to be.  My ex-husband is a liar
and a crook, but he fails, miserably, next to his attorney.

It's a long story.  But I guess I won this round.  I've asked for a jury
trial.  I think juries are more honest.... and after having freed my self
of "Binding Arbitration", I will never trust a judge again.

I just got my husbands latest figures of inventory.  Even though he got
over $200,000 last year, from the fraudulant sale of our house and
makes over a quarter million dollars a year with no living expenses... it
seems as though he is going backwards.  He has less money now than he
had two years ago.

He cried yesterday... Of course, it may have had something to do with
the fact that both he and  his lawyer, who testified under oath, committed
perjury the last time they testified and had to answer for it.  Needless to
say, they lost this round.  But.... people never learn.

He lied again, yesterday in his current motion.   I just ordered the court
transcript and will have plenty with which to impeach him again.  Only
next time, it will be in front of a jury that will do something about it.

The judge set the trial for early July and said... Bring your fireworks!



 :shock:   Sorry you have to go through all of this. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2007, 01:29:32 AM
Patti
I hope everything works out for you.  You seem to be right on target with everything.

Think I better hug Nemo before I get computer face from falling alseep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 01:32:06 AM
Nite nite Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:32:38 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Patti
I hope everything works out for you.  You seem to be right on target with everything.

Think I better hug Nemo before I get computer face from falling alseep.



 Night sweety  


(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/nemo.gif)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/NEMO.jpg)

 AND hugs to CP..  !


Title: Attitude
Post by: IBE on April 19, 2007, 01:37:47 AM
Patti Hang in there

Good Monkeys in a week of depressing news in the US

I have learned something or at least be reminded of it: there is good in the world... in comes out when you least expect it sometimes.

So does Justice: What has been done and is being done by all the Good Monkeys is/has made a difference in not only the Natalee case but in each of our own lives.

I am very proud to be part of the Scared Monkeys. I had to go into a bank again and talk to the manager.. I could have dressed in many ways but I chose to wear my pink ScaredMonkeys where on the back it says I am a Monkey junky, dawn to dust on the back and the SM.com logo on the fron... T-shirt into the bank to a conference with the manager.... when trying to undo a mess... Like... here I AM. Don't mess with me... I am a Scared Monkey (and a midwesterner) and I found out a truth today... part of undoing a mess. Long story... but I am sure the T-shirt helped!

Thanks. all... IBE  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:40:58 AM
:D  IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 01:42:20 AM
Good for you, IBE
I am sure that wearing your SM T-shirt gave you the self confidence to meet the bank manager on equal terms.
And you would know that you had the backing of all our monkey family.
They are awesome.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 01:42:48 AM
Thanks, Guys....

I posted that comment and got booted off the computer at the same
time ?!?!?!?!

I didn't mean to be rude.

Good Night to everyone... Hug Nemo extra hard tonight, for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 01:44:53 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Thanks, Guys....

I posted that comment and got booted off the computer at the same
time ?!?!?!?!

I didn't mean to be rude.

Good Night to everyone... Hug Nemo extra hard tonight, for me.


 You wasn't rude Patti.. heck. lok at all I posted tonight  :shock:
 And if you  hug Nemo too.. you have a speical place in lalas heart.. and Nemos Moms.. CP..!!  Miss seeing her posting..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 01:48:57 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Thanks, Guys....

I posted that comment and got booted off the computer at the same
time ?!?!?!?!

I didn't mean to be rude.

Good Night to everyone... Hug Nemo extra hard tonight, for me.


 You wasn't rude Patti.. heck. lok at all I posted tonight  :shock:
 And if you  hug Nemo too.. you have a speical place in lalas heart.. and Nemos Moms.. CP..!!  Miss seeing her posting..


Anything new from your secret admirer?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sb on April 19, 2007, 01:56:23 AM
Kind of a "Hi and Bye" post, I'm headed off to bed...

I HOPE the new Dutch investigators turn up something but I am not holding my breath. I think Holland is as much or more of a problem in this case than the Aruban officials are. I think they have been trying to whitewash Joran from the start. Don't be fooled by that Boxtel highway business, VDS has got PLENTY of clout in the Vaterland.

Glad you are back Tibro. I pray for comfort & healing for you and your husband.

That's it for tonight... see y'all tomorrow evening!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 01:59:55 AM
I'm off to bed, as well....

I haven't read enough to be caught up.  I'll try to do it tomorrow.

Good Night, All!

Hugs to Nemo, LaLa's Mom, Angie, Ibe, Elaine and all my other
favorite monkeys.

Nite....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 02:05:19 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Thanks, Guys....

I posted that comment and got booted off the computer at the same
time ?!?!?!?!

I didn't mean to be rude.

Good Night to everyone... Hug Nemo extra hard tonight, for me.


 You wasn't rude Patti.. heck. lok at all I posted tonight  :shock:
 And if you  hug Nemo too.. you have a speical place in lalas heart.. and Nemos Moms.. CP..!!  Miss seeing her posting..


Anything new from your secret admirer?


  Eeeeekk NO..  :shock:   he is blocked.
  I got an email from a friend of mine.. who still works at 911.. I have to laugh.. cause this is for real.. some of the lame calls we used to get. Brings back alot of funny memories. Anyone that was or is a dispatcher or works in Law enforement. will chuckle over this one.

Hope Dana Pretzer sees this one. Im sure he wil appreciate a good laugh
 :wink:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=316380&fr=


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 02:06:40 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
I'm off to bed, as well....

I haven't read enough to be caught up.  I'll try to do it tomorrow.

Good Night, All!

Hugs to Nemo, LaLa's Mom, Angie, Ibe, Elaine and all my other
favorite monkeys.

Nite....


  Niters SB and Patti.. sweet dreams


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IBE on April 19, 2007, 02:13:04 AM
Thanks.. all

Missed last night's sleep so am going to try now. Thanks  IBE

PS  yes, there is power via blogging. I think Scared Monkeys will go down in history as being the first main gathering to back Justice and many other areas

I am not saying this the way I wish. We are writing history the last 2 yrs. re: a very beneficial side of the Internet... power to hang in there; power of numbers to spread news.

Am still not saying it the way I wish. Will try another time :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 02:21:48 AM
I am out of here also.  Will see you all tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 19, 2007, 03:12:01 AM
Night all..
 Klaas.. you have mail at the C addy.  TY!  No biggy.. but curious!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 03:35:38 AM
Oh Lord, her pen still writes.......
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/LL4.gif)

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 03:56:10 AM
Lala's, Indy, 2NJ, Kimmy, Justin's, San, IBE, Bleachedblack, Mishy, Elaine, Carpe

Your Fourth avatars are in the Lounge: Avatar Thread.

If anyone would like an avatar for the Patriotic Holidays, please leave Klaas and me a post there. THX!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 19, 2007, 04:48:58 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

[simage]]http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg[/img]


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


I've GOT to get here more often! WHERE did that photo come from???!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh the tag lines for that one!!!!

eeeeeeewwwwwww..............

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!





----
WOW.

Zoinks, SCOOB!!!!!!!!!

what a pic. Anita OF OF THE BUCKET


  I wonder how many demented, psychotic, KEEBLER ELFINS had to lay down their lives
so Anita could have a pair of lime sherbet
hot pants l!?!?!?

Your public service announcement
of the day, folks...

"FRIENDS DON'T LET

 ANITA VDS  DRINK & GET DRESSED."

The life you save, may be your very own!

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/3zv9y5w1.jpg)


---



She needs to wear that get up locally... and by

locally... I'm thinking, like  in her living room! :D :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 19, 2007, 05:17:56 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


  OMG!  ROFLMAO  WTH is she doing?
 And speaking of  Carpe.. where is he?   Miss his funny pics..




OOOh I wish fell and knocked out
all the hot air outta the wind bag!!! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on April 19, 2007, 06:24:18 AM
test


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on April 19, 2007, 06:25:14 AM
o/t rant about VA Tech murdering loser bastard :evil:
I'm watching FOX news and wtf? is this bastard some kind of a martyr now? showing us where he lived...walking thru his dorm with sad music playing? showing his picture? "this room will forever be linked..." give me an effing break! I dont want to know this (ohh i just want to call him something awfull) this this monsters name so it will live on forever in infamy. he doesnt deserve for me to know his name. he doesnt deserve for me to know where he slept or what his life was like. am i the only one that thinks this is wrong? turning this man into something we should be sympathetic of? i'm sure thats not what the media is trying to do but by furthering this story b/c of 24 hour news and to get ratings that is what they are doing. I'm sorry but what i just witnessed is disgusting. I will never meantion the name of john lennons killer or the killer of jessica lundsford or Natalee's killer (once he faces justice) on and on and on. these monsters dont deserve to be remembered in that way. talk to me about the victims and their last moments and were they lived. I dont give a shit about where this losers dorm was! i'm sorry, again what i just saw was disgusting.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Leslie on April 19, 2007, 06:40:58 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 19, 2007, 06:53:10 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
o/t rant about VA Tech murdering loser bastard :evil:
I'm watching FOX news and wtf? is this bastard some kind of a martyr now? showing us where he lived...walking thru his dorm with sad music playing? showing his picture? "this room will forever be linked..." give me an effing break! I dont want to know this (ohh i just want to call him something awfull) this this monsters name so it will live on forever in infamy. he doesnt deserve for me to know his name. he doesnt deserve for me to know where he slept or what his life was like. am i the only one that thinks this is wrong? turning this man into something we should be sympathetic of? i'm sure thats not what the media is trying to do but by furthering this story b/c of 24 hour news and to get ratings that is what they are doing. I'm sorry but what i just witnessed is disgusting. I will never meantion the name of john lennons killer or the killer of jessica lundsford or Natalee's killer (once he faces justice) on and on and on. these monsters dont deserve to be remembered in that way. talk to me about the victims and their last moments and were they lived. I dont give a shit about where this losers dorm was! i'm sorry, again what i just saw was disgusting.


no I agree completely with you Spooky, he is reaching from the grave for fame and it disgusts me. These families and victims deserve to be remembered, never him .

Who found that photo of Anita?????????  :shock:  :shock:

So now we see the real Anita ! In all of my life I don't think I've ever seen any grown woman kick another human being !!!!!!!

Freudian public slip Anita ??? no wonder your Joran is an aggressive monster!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: snoopy on April 19, 2007, 07:05:35 AM
Good Morning Everybody!!  :D

Can't help but feel a little positive after reading what Jossy had to say.  Justice for Natalee.

I agree, Spooky.  That young man had pure evil in his heart, and I wish the news channels hadn't shown all that stuff.  Just pure evil.  It made me sick.

Thanks Leslie for the morning papers.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 19, 2007, 08:17:32 AM
Good morning monkeys. I know what I'm about to say belongs in the prayer thread, but I wanted as many people as possible to see it.

Those of you who have read the prayer thread know that Lalas and I have a special friend who has been undergoing extremely intensive treatment for Stage IV cancer. Our friend has undergone so much treatment that the levels of red and white blood cells in the body are almost nonexistent at this point. Sadly, our friend now has pneumonia and is in no condition to fight it off.

This person chooses to remain anonymous on the discussion board, but please add our friend to your prayers for recovery.

Thanks very much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 19, 2007, 08:28:39 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.

BT - I am sorry for your friend, I of course will offer up prayers for their healing. :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 19, 2007, 08:55:38 AM
Hi, everyone,

I think we should ask Amigoe to post a current and actual pic of the Dutch investigators. (instead of a stock photo)

management@amigoe.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet



Janet, read this while catching up from last night. This search is very curious.

Is this all for show? If these are the "finishing touches" on the case why (as Rob brought up on the FP) have the investigators in Holland never bothered to requestion the suspects? There can only be two reasons. They either have them dead to rights or they don't. No one could ever convince me they couldn't haul them in because of Dutch law. We've seen them twist it any way they like and they could do it here.

Another thought. What if they find Natalee's remains and don't arrest the perps? Would they cut such a deal just to get the case out of their hair? There has only been one instance thus far that would remotely suggest they may make an effort to do the right thing and that is denying Paulus' monetary award. Other than that, zilch. Given past perfomance it is near impossible to trust this bunch. Let's hope they prove otherwise.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 19, 2007, 09:18:52 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
o/t rant about VA Tech murdering loser bastard :evil:
 give me an effing break! I dont want to know this (ohh i just want to call him something awfull) this this monsters name so it will live on forever in infamy. he doesnt deserve for me to know his name. he doesnt deserve for me to know where he slept or what his life was like. am i the only one that thinks this is wrong?


I happen to agree with you very much....

he shot himself in the end... what a loser... he couldn't face the world and tell them, in person, why.....

forget him... he is a loser... but remember those he eliminated int he prime of their lives.... they are what it is all about.... the proud, the few... human beings who deserved so much better.....

and for those responsible for Natalee's disappearance... you are no better than this loser... in fact you are bigger losers....

I don't care who you are or how important you think you are.... you are no better than this piece of scum...

scum... such a pleasant way of describing as$%Hol&**3..... right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 19, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Easy says the photo is just a stock photo from the archives.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 19, 2007, 09:21:22 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
o/t rant about VA Tech murdering loser bastard :evil:
 give me an effing break! I dont want to know this (ohh i just want to call him something awfull) this this monsters name so it will live on forever in infamy. he doesnt deserve for me to know his name. he doesnt deserve for me to know where he slept or what his life was like. am i the only one that thinks this is wrong?


I happen to agree with you very much....

he shot himself in the end... what a loser... he couldn't face the world and tell them, in person, why.....

forget him... he is a loser... but remember those he eliminated in the prime of their lives.... they are what it is all about.... the proud, the few... human beings who deserved so much better.....

and for those responsible for Natalee's disappearance... you are no better than this loser... in fact you are bigger losers....

I don't care who you are or how important you think you are.... you are no better than this piece of scum...

scum... such a pleasant way of describing as$%Hol&**3..... right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 09:32:27 AM
Bondia - page 12
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/April/18/B-18-4-07.pdf

ARUBA MODEL SEARCH 2007

You can vote for Michael Dompig or Kawish Miser if you wish  :roll:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MDompigModel.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KMiserModel.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 19, 2007, 09:41:13 AM
How about Daddy Dompig? That pose of him shooting at the target
would HAVE to win an award!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 09:48:06 AM
Those model photos of MD & KM reminded me ot the ot thread kbm started....modeling seems big with the boys, huh?

Hello, all.  Cable was out due to line changes in our area...just got back on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 19, 2007, 09:54:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Bondia - page 12
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/April/18/B-18-4-07.pdf

ARUBA MODEL SEARCH 2007

You can vote for Michael Dompig or Kawish Miser if you wish  :roll:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MDompigModel.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KMiserModel.jpg)


oh perhaps the stories they could tell regarding the missive bondia of SM  :roll:

forgive me ** BARF **


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Was this another Horse and Pony Show or ... was there something to it?  Are the sand dunes that are being referred to ... the sand dunes near the Marriot Beach/Fisherman's Hut.  I am so confused.

Janet



Janet, read this while catching up from last night. This search is very curious.

Is this all for show? If these are the "finishing touches" on the case why (as Rob brought up on the FP) have the investigators in Holland never bothered to requestion the suspects? There can only be two reasons. They either have them dead to rights or they don't. No one could ever convince me they couldn't haul them in because of Dutch law. We've seen them twist it any way they like and they could do it here.

Another thought. What if they find Natalee's remains and don't arrest the perps? Would they cut such a deal just to get the case out of their hair? There has only been one instance thus far that would remotely suggest they may make an effort to do the right thing and that is denying Paulus' monetary award. Other than that, zilch. Given past perfomance it is near impossible to trust this bunch. Let's hope they prove otherwise.


Dayhiker ... I agree.  I suspect a deal has been negociated ... negociated  with Paulus Van der Sloot in an attempt for Aruba to save face and not have him reveal their dirty little secrets ... an attempt by Aruba to make the family of Natalee go away.  I suspect that Natalee will be returned to the family ... her country and ... Joran and Deepak will take personal responsibility for making Natalee "disappear" after "something bad happened".

Natalee's loving stepfather, Jug Twitty, implied that ... considering Joran was a minor at the time of Natalee's disappearance ... the consequences would not be great.

Janet


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 29, 2005

TWITTY: ... it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years.


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
July 14, 2005

TWITTY: ... Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 19, 2007, 10:34:22 AM
Is FOB in the crapper today?

I can't seem to get there.  And I was so hoping to read the latest......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 19, 2007, 10:34:43 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/19/

Someone tried to commit suicide. I think it was not a successful attempt - no corpse photo; no condolences offered.

Fairly long article about too many shop lifters, pickpockets, muggers etc.

A home fire, possibly started by a fan.

***

Michael Saladin has been detained for the next 60 days. This is the American who resides on Aruba, a businessman, who chased a choller while "brandishing a firearm" (that's my term). The choller allegedly had slashed Mrs. Saladin's tires.

The major problem - the reason for the charge - is that Saladin chased the guy into a public place, I think a gym, with the gun in hand. Saladin is an ex-NASA guy who had a "high U.S. security clearance." Recall that some of the Aruba folks resented his arrest to begin with; there was a protest ... that would have been about two weeks ago. (I think there have been two 8-day detentions, and now this.)

Saladin was hospitalized immediately after - and as far as I can tell, is still in the hospital. Be interesting to see if the case of nerves (or whatever diagnosis got him admitted) can be stretched into another 60 days!

***
I apologize for this next but I don't have time right now to get more sense of it. Interesting for several reasons:

1) PVDS is the lawyer/organizer for this.

2) we've seen a few isolated references to these fight clubs ("Last Man Standing" - Google it) and specifically wondered about spill-overs into public places and events like Carnaval.

3) Supposedly no one under 16 admitted - another opportunity for lax enforcement, and if I'm getting it right, alcohol is served.

Below is the online Pap translation of the article.

Quote
diaranzon morning did take lugar one caso cu the are cu owing to organiza the evento of action “last hand standing”, owing to entama contra minister of orden publico y country aruba. is so cu day 28 of april is bay take lugar the evento much like, last hand standing 3. after cu at june y december 2006 the evento last hand standing was one exito, organizadornan owing to dicidi of come cu the evento here once more, sinembargo the departamento of gobierno encarga for give permission owing to come cu reglanan more estricto for cu the evento here. this debi at the achievement cu among another comisario of police coisy krozendijk y departamento of gobierno owing to tell of did take notice, cu various cos owing to leave for of hand. they owing to give ehempel among another of one of the participantenan cu owing to ricibi much golpi at his cara y cu according they, owing to tarda mucho for stop the action. organizadornan of the evento atravez of they advocate paulus van der sloot owing to entama the caso, debi at the achievement cu they do not of acuerdo cu the cambionan, mirando cu they owing to worde notifica much late. various of the exigencianan cu the departamento of gobierno owing to come cune, is cosnan cu not can worde regulation owing to corto plazo. one of the condicionnan in the permission is tell cu have to have one doctor y two enfermero present at the evento, for can deal esnan cu is fight, if this is necesario. according the departamento of gobierno, the doctor cu the organizadornan owing to menciona cu will bay is at the evento, not have the papelnan necesario for is esun encarga cu the evento. advocate van der sloot owing to ask about in corte, if they're desea one doctor califica, or cu the doctor have to have certificado special for thing is peleanan of art marcial. this because if is so cu organizadornan have to come cu one doctor for of another country, they not will have sufficient time for regulation all cos according the leynan of ltu. representantenan of gobierno owing to splica cu the doctor have to have experiencia in atende cu peleanan, because the have to can determina among another, when one action have to worde stop. in corte, name of doctor weststraten owing to worde menciona, because; one of the dokternan cu experiencia on the territory here. then advocate of gobierno owing to tell cu the doctor here have to is esun present at the evento, or one another doctor cu worde recomenda pe. the organizadornan of the evento not was have problem cu this. another condicion cu the organizadornan not was of acuerdo cune is cu children younger of edad of 18 not have to worde permiti of enter. ponencia of gobierno is cu during the evento alcohol is worde bendi y cu the violencia is one bad influencia for her hobennan. advocate van der sloot owing to splica cu ley is indica for not sell menornan of 16 year alcohol, but not cu they not mag of is present where cu have alcohol. past owing to give ehempel of several actividad of carnaval, at where alcohol is available y hobennan bay of 16 is present. for thing is the evento, van der sloot owing to splica cu despite cu have violencia, the message of the evento is cu participantenan is fight cu another in one competencia, but after they're saluda another y show one sort of hermandad cu another. the hobennan looking at cu action not have to take lugar on caya. if they wanted fight, they can haci this in competencia, at one as organiza y cu disciplina. another exigencia of part of gobierno cu the organizacion do not of acuerdo cune is cu only 1400 carchi mag of worde bendi. according van der sloot, the evento is basa on throw of 1800 carchi y have documentonan of sport unie, cu is tell cu centro deportivo betico croes, is wanta more of 1800 person. advocate of gobierno owing to trece fast cu 1400 is more cu sufficient, because trip happen was have mucho person on another, cu can trece one danger. one of the representantenan of gobierno self sinembargo owing to splica cu brandweer owing to show cu the lugar can wanta 1700 person. past owing to tell cu the wanted achieve the set-up of the lugar of organizacion, for her can sit cu brandweer, for they tell kico is the maximo cantidad of person cu can enter the lugar. the referee-nan for her evento also was one sharp of discusion. gobierno his ponencia is cu the organizadornan is immidiately place person cu is fight art marcial because; referee of the evento, sinembargo the organizadornan owing to show on the achievement cu they referee-nan is hendenan cu always is stop referee, in various evento of art marcial. one agent of idefre owing to tell huez cu is much important for have referee-nan certifica for her type of eventonan here, cu is one combinacion of various art marcial. past owing to tell cu one referee cu is custumbra of work in peleanan of kickboxing, quizas not can fungi debidamente, in peleanan cu is inclui choca the contrincante, where cu also the bringado can beat on vloer for give up. another condicion cu gobierno have for cu the permission, is cu have to have testnan of drugs first y after of the peleanan. comisario krozendijk owing to give huez one ehempel of con this is necesario. past owing to tell cu at december the was present y past owing to look at cierto caracteristicanan on one of the bringadornan, cu is show cu the was bao of influencia. sinembargo huez owing to puntre if gobierno have some documento in cua, have stop cu the testnan here have to take lugar y past owing to tell cu not. the comisario owing to tell if cu on internet past owing to read this y huez owing to puntre for saca one copia y mande for advocate van der sloot. so some another puntonan owing to worde discuti, incluyendo seguro for all the participantenan, while cu van der sloot owing to trece fast cu the participantenan y organizacion self owing to arrive at one areglo for thing is this. huez owing to tell cu the is bay study the caso here y give his decision not more tarda cu diabierna.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 19, 2007, 10:36:17 AM
Hi Peaches! How are you feeling today! Congratulations!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: NM on April 19, 2007, 10:37:36 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
o/t rant about VA Tech murdering loser bastard :evil:
I'm watching FOX news and wtf? is this bastard some kind of a martyr now? showing us where he lived...walking thru his dorm with sad music playing? showing his picture? "this room will forever be linked..." give me an effing break! I dont want to know this (ohh i just want to call him something awfull) this this monsters name so it will live on forever in infamy. he doesnt deserve for me to know his name. he doesnt deserve for me to know where he slept or what his life was like. am i the only one that thinks this is wrong? turning this man into something we should be sympathetic of? i'm sure thats not what the media is trying to do but by furthering this story b/c of 24 hour news and to get ratings that is what they are doing. I'm sorry but what i just witnessed is disgusting. I will never meantion the name of john lennons killer or the killer of jessica lundsford or Natalee's killer (once he faces justice) on and on and on. these monsters dont deserve to be remembered in that way. talk to me about the victims and their last moments and were they lived. I dont give a shit about where this losers dorm was! i'm sorry, again what i just saw was disgusting.

Great rant Spooky!!  I agree.  I think the name should be released but the MSM should refer to "it" as the Ahole, or the MFer that murdered the innocent people of VTech.  And since "it" is dead now and found responsible for the murders, the public doesn't need to any photos to ID and find info on "it".

Peahes Happy end of chemo!!!!

Patti hang in there

IBE- never under-estimate the power of SM :)   I wear my SM-wear for that extra boost of confidence and/or the feel of solidarity.

Ang- you crack me up. "airring out..."

Morning all Monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is FOB in the crapper today?

I can't seem to get there.  And I was so hoping to read the latest......


It's up for me but nothing new.  By the way, congrats on finishing up your treatment yesterday!!!!!!!

I need to run out for a couple hours..you all be good, OK?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 19, 2007, 10:41:15 AM
I feel okay.  I have the usual after chemo side effects but it is nice to be "done".  

Scans are upcoming and will be the confirmation.


MFer.....I like it.  Useful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Janet, read this while catching up from last night. This search is very curious.

Is this all for show? If these are the "finishing touches" on the case why (as Rob brought up on the FP) have the investigators in Holland never bothered to requestion the suspects? There can only be two reasons. They either have them dead to rights or they don't. No one could ever convince me they couldn't haul them in because of Dutch law. We've seen them twist it any way they like and they could do it here.

Another thought. What if they find Natalee's remains and don't arrest the perps? Would they cut such a deal just to get the case out of their hair? There has only been one instance thus far that would remotely suggest they may make an effort to do the right thing and that is denying Paulus' monetary award. Other than that, zilch. Given past perfomance it is near impossible to trust this bunch. Let's hope they prove otherwise.


Dayhiker ... I agree.  I suspect a deal has been negociated ... negociated  with Paulus Van der Sloot in an attempt for Aruba to save face and not have him reveal their dirty little secrets ... an attempt by Aruba to make the family of Natalee go away.  I suspect that Natalee will be returned to the family ... her country and ... Joran and Deepak will take personal responsibility for making Natalee "disappear" after "something bad happened".

Natalee's loving stepfather, Jug Twitty, implied that ... considering Joran was a minor at the time of Natalee's disappearance ... the consequences would not be great.

Janet



They could surprise us. It would be the first time. This second team coming in does seem to up the ante. It is very perturbing that they are finishing up the case and have yet to lay a glove on the suspects. Unless somebody has squealed or they had something overwhelming against them, the investigation appears to be soft.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
I feel okay.  I have the usual after chemo side effects but it is nice to be "done".  

Scans are upcoming and will be the confirmation.


MFer.....I like it.  Useful.


Peaches ... my heart is with you as you endure these treatments.  My husband's precious sister is undergoing chemo every three weeks and ... one week of that three week period she is not well.

My prayers go out to you and my sister-in-law ... may God grant you both strength and comfort in your respective journeys ... may you feel His presence.

Sincerely, Janet

Peaches ... you know me ... my post would not be complete without a quote.  Here goes ...

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 19, 2007, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Those model photos of MD & KM reminded me ot the ot thread kbm started....modeling seems big with the boys, huh?

Hello, all.  Cable was out due to line changes in our area...just got back on.


What a wonderfully sparkling clean toliet you have!!  What ever do you use?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 19, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
I feel okay.  I have the usual after chemo side effects but it is nice to be "done".  

Scans are upcoming and will be the confirmation.


MFer.....I like it.  Useful.


Peaches ... my heart is with you as you endure these treatments.  My husband's precious sister is undergoing chemo every three weeks and ... one week of that three week period she is not well.

My prayers go out to you and my sister-in-law ... may God grant you both strength and comfort in your respective journeys ... may you feel His presence.

Sincerely, Janet

Peaches ... you know me ... my post would not be complete without a quote.  Here goes ...

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


Thank you so much.  It's been a long nasty road.  Chemo is no fun.  I could not have done it without the support and prayers of my fellow monkeys and my family, friends and God.   I'll be sure to keep your sister-in-law in my thoughts and prayers.  I heard Schuller say something one morning, (the younger Schuller): "I can't.  He can.   Let Him."  

Sounds like a good philosphy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Bondia - page 12
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/April/18/B-18-4-07.pdf

ARUBA MODEL SEARCH 2007

You can vote for Michael Dompig or Kawish Miser if you wish  :roll:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MDompigModel.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KMiserModel.jpg)

Are you sure these aren't their mug shots.  Are those jail uniforms.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Vicki on April 19, 2007, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Bondia - page 12
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/April/18/B-18-4-07.pdf

ARUBA MODEL SEARCH 2007

You can vote for Michael Dompig or Kawish Miser if you wish  :roll:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MDompigModel.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KMiserModel.jpg)

Are you sure these aren't their mug shots.  Are those jail uniforms.



Come on is that the only two choices...that alone is a reason not to go there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 12:26:07 PM
I see that a new user by the name of Vickie has signed on and wanted to welcome her to the cage. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: "Vickie"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Bondia - page 12
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/April/18/B-18-4-07.pdf

ARUBA MODEL SEARCH 2007

You can vote for Michael Dompig or Kawish Miser if you wish  :roll:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/MDompigModel.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/KMiserModel.jpg)

Are you sure these aren't their mug shots.  Are those jail uniforms.


Come on is that the only two choices...that alone is a reason not to go there....

I was being nice for once :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
I feel okay.  I have the usual after chemo side effects but it is nice to be "done".  

Scans are upcoming and will be the confirmation.


MFer.....I like it.  Useful.


Peaches ... my heart is with you as you endure these treatments.  My husband's precious sister is undergoing chemo every three weeks and ... one week of that three week period she is not well.

My prayers go out to you and my sister-in-law ... may God grant you both strength and comfort in your respective journeys ... may you feel His presence.

Sincerely, Janet

Peaches ... you know me ... my post would not be complete without a quote.  Here goes ...

2 Corinthians 12:9
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


Thank you so much.  It's been a long nasty road.  Chemo is no fun.  I could not have done it without the support and prayers of my fellow monkeys and my family, friends and God.   I'll be sure to keep your sister-in-law in my thoughts and prayers.  I heard Schuller say something one morning, (the younger Schuller): "I can't.  He can.   Let Him."  

Sounds like a good philosphy.


You bet it is!

Take care Peaches.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 19, 2007, 12:32:28 PM
Hi vicki!

Monkeys, vicki is a FP poster, new to the forum. She is organizing the demo for the Miami travel show April 28 & 29.

Go here for info:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=20


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi vicki!

Monkeys, vicki is a FP poster, new to the forum. She is organizing the demo for the Miami travel show April 28 & 29.

Go here for info:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1003&start=20

Thanks msmarple.

Vickie if you would like an avatar that is Klaasend’s expertise and I’m sure she will make you a nice one.  Just let her know what you like.

Klaas how do you like the way I volunteered your services. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
msmarple: Klaas and I both love you!  :lol:  :wink:
Great minds think alike, don't they?
You have 3 avatars, all posted within minutes of each other!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 12:44:55 PM
Hi Vicki, and WELCOME to the cage!
Nice to meet you!     CBB ( easier than crazybabyborg )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
WARNING!  Do not show to Carpe!  8)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Wonder when this photo was taken?


What in the world is she doing?  Kicking that person?   :shock:


 Maybe her THANG needs aired out?   :shock:
<no typo here either  :wink: >   :shock:


I've GOT to get here more often! WHERE did that photo come from???!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh the tag lines for that one!!!!

eeeeeeewwwwwww..............

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!



Good Afternoon, All,

I just wanted to bring this forward as it was new to many of us.  Remember Joran saying if they found Natalee, he was going to kick her in the butt in front of her mother?

Yes, maybe it is Anita who wears the Size 14, lol, and knows how to use them!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Those model photos of MD & KM reminded me ot the ot thread kbm started....modeling seems big with the boys, huh?

Hello, all.  Cable was out due to line changes in our area...just got back on.


What a wonderfully sparkling clean toliet you have!!  What ever do you use?  :wink:


 :lol:  :lol: CCB was the chemist...she's got the formula, not me or my little brush!!!  

Welcome to Vicki.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 12:51:48 PM
oops, meant CBB...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 12:52:56 PM
For Vicki

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Prayer%20Thanks%20Compliment/th1157633892.gif)


I always read your posts when I am on the Front Page.

Did you ever hear any more about the State Department possibly issuing a travel alert if not warning concerning the crime in Aruba?  Our Murder and Crime thread is a good source for authorities to go to for a summary of what the problem actually consists of as MsMarple has done an excellent job with summaries for us.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 12:56:31 PM
Anna: I found this in my travels and thought of you so I grabbed it for you!
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/anna4.gif)

If You like it but don't want the word "doll", I can erase it for you.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Easy says the photo is just a stock photo from the archives.


And Anna said it yesterday, too.  I remember it and posted another from what I think is the same series of Dutch Marines supposedly searching.  Then there was a joint maneuver with U.S. troops in a cave also.  Not to be confused with the police cadets searching with those long sticks to poke in the sand.

And that guy known as "the Nose" for his uncanny ability to find remains.  Guess they never heard of dogs for such purposes as just about all of them have possibly scent capabilities up to a million times greater than humans.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 12:59:05 PM
I love it CBB!

Yes, please remove the word Doll as don't want people to know I am not a human, lol.

If you will post it on your avatar thread, I will get it from there but she is beautiful and I really do like to far better than any I have!

Thank you for thinking of me!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
Will do, Anna. I'll resize it, too!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
Just checking for updates, back to working and lurking.

But one of these times really soon, I am going to check back in and there is going to be breaking news on this from the new investigators on the island.

Work. . . . .Lurk. . . . .

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 19, 2007, 01:19:50 PM
beautiful picture of anita.don't try that on me ,or i rip your guts out,with my claws,and enjoy it.peaceful place.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
beautiful picture of anita.don't try that on me ,or i rip your guts out,with my claws,and enjoy it.peaceful place.

I would have grabbed her foot so fast and flipped her backwards she would have never known what hit her.  That cow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 19, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
About Anita's kick photo -

Do we know where it came from?
Does it look like the person she appears to be kicking is in uniform?
Police uniform? (I'm thinking they wear black & white, but not sure ... )

If we (that probably would be klaas  :wink:  ) have another photo of her wearing the same outfit, we might be able to figure out what's going on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 19, 2007, 01:33:16 PM
Just checking in after lunch...

Welcome to Vicki!!!!!  Please join us often.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


<snipped>

No one could ever convince me they couldn't haul them in because of Dutch law. We've seen them twist it any way they like and they could do it here.

<snipped>



Dayhiker ... I agree.  I have learned that there is no provision in Dutch law that allows the court to release the main suspects in a murder investigation from further questioning.  The Aruban court cited lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions".  Logic dictates if this were the truth ... Joran, Deepak and Satish would have been declared no longer suspects.  Another example of "preferential treatment" to distance Joran and Paulus from being implicated in the events that encompass the morning thant Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet


Released without Conditions
Alabama Associated Press
September 17, 2005

An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions. Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a --quote-- "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
About Anita's kick photo -

Do we know where it came from?
Does it look like the person she appears to be kicking is in uniform?
Police uniform? (I'm thinking they wear black & white, but not sure ... )

If we (that probably would be klaas  :wink:  ) have another photo of her wearing the same outfit, we might be able to figure out what's going on.

The photo of her kicking the guy is from the day Joran was released.

This guy is either a news reporter or someone she knows.  The guy in back of Anita looks like the same guy.  JMO.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/NewsReporter2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "msmarple"
About Anita's kick photo -

Do we know where it came from?
Does it look like the person she appears to be kicking is in uniform?
Police uniform? (I'm thinking they wear black & white, but not sure ... )

If we (that probably would be klaas  :wink:  ) have another photo of her wearing the same outfit, we might be able to figure out what's going on.

The photo of her kicking the guy is from the day Joran was released.

This guy is either a news reporter or someone she knows.  The guy in back of Anita looks like the same guy.  JMO.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/NewsReporter2.jpg)

Anita's outfit from the day they released Psycho.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Anita1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 01:42:27 PM
Good find, San.  I agree...that guy behind her in your photo has the same hair style.  Didn't we have names for some of the others?

So was she kicking him in the other picture?  It looks like it, but she's no Rockette... :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Good find, San.  I agree...that guy behind her in your photo has the same hair style.  Didn't we have names for some of the others?

So was she kicking him in the other picture?  It looks like it, but she's no Rockette... :lol:

Yes she was kicking him.  The question is was she kicking him to be funny or did she really mean it.  From the looks of the picture the guy is outside the gate.  Was he security for the Sloots?  If so he is in the other picture near the court on a different day.  That day near the court was when the Sloots ran to court to block MSNBC from showing the video of Joran in jail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 01:51:01 PM
Judging by what she is wearing and that Antonio Carlo is there, I'd say it was when Joran was released in September 2005:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/29/45518519_ff1976bc1b.jpg)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 01:54:29 PM
Got that fist going. doesn't she?
They ain't the Clevers! Can't see June doing that. She's loose her strand of pearls!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 01:58:09 PM
Well, if she can maintain that pose, it could be the answer to Aruba's fly problem.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 02:01:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Judging by what she is wearing and that Antonio Carlo is there, I'd say it was when Joran was released in September 2005:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/29/45518519_ff1976bc1b.jpg)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)

Yes Klaas it is on that day.  Also, he is on the outside of the gate.  He looks like he is getting ready to close the gate.  Look at his right hand.

Is he extra security for the Sloots?  Why the need for security if they are so innocent.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 19, 2007, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Well, if she can maintain that pose, it could be the answer to Aruba's fly problem.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 02:05:21 PM
Heightened Alert in Northern California!
I meth drugged man called Police and said he as going on a shooting spree to make VT look like a picnic.
Geeez............NBC should be sued!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Well, if she can maintain that pose, it could be the answer to Aruba's fly problem.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :shock:


shhh.............Lala's isn't here, but Klaas is!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Well, if she can maintain that pose, it could be the answer to Aruba's fly problem.


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Hey CBB!

It could also be the cause of Aruba's fly problem.  The woman
is rotting flesh...  

If only Joran's mommy had been home... give me a breaK!!!

This kid is considered old enough to have his own apartment,
drink in bars and gamble in casinos and, yet, they want to treat
him like a child under their judicial system?  

Who are all those kids in the background?  Doesn't look like their
usual guests...   What some people will do to play up to the press.
 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Judging by what she is wearing and that Antonio Carlo is there, I'd say it was when Joran was released in September 2005:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/29/45518519_ff1976bc1b.jpg)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8483/normaljoranliber347vo.jpg)


My point:

If I didn't know any better, I would say that the
first picture depicts a group of missionaries....

But, we all know better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 02:12:22 PM
Hiya, Patti!
Aw, you must be mistaken! Don't you remember Anita saying that Joran is so sweet and innocent? That he's kissed a girl, but that's all? Bwess Hims Widdle Heart............... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hiya, Patti!
Aw, you must be mistaken! Don't you remember Anita saying that Joran is so sweet and innocent? That he's kissed a girl, but that's all? Bwess Hims Widdle Heart............... :roll:


I wonder if she kissed back?!?!?!?!?!

NOT!

He likes the ones he CAN'T have...

(shhhhh..... that's their little secret)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 02:43:18 PM
The man in the white shirt behind her kick appears to be a heavy weight much like Jacobs....the other white shirt way to the right unfortunately could be anyone.  The look on her face does not look like a fooling around look, to me.

The cable guys had to get into our fenced yard this morning to run new lines to the pole....they left the gate open & the dog could have run loose....imagine if I kicked one of them for that?!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 02:51:05 PM
O/T

2NJ,
If the gate is not on the front of the house where it would be seen, you really need a sign to tell people not to open or to close when leaving for idiots.  There are many of those lose these days I am sorry to say.

I found cheap and very durable ones by having a friend airbrush those license plates like you get at a fair or some event.  Instead of a name or whatever, he put message not to open the gate.  It is very weatherproof and will wire right to most gates.

Then there are very pretty ones if it can be seen at places like In the Company of Dogs, etc. can google dog signs and I think find them.

.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 03:38:09 PM
OT.....Anna, thank you for the advice.   The fence is around most of our yard but mostly the back of the house, with a gate on either side of the house and one at the driveway toward the back.  It's a chain-link fence, and we have those clips to lock each gate.  Unfortunately, the electric, cable & phone wires are located within the fencing.  The dodo's took the clips off two gates and left one gate open.  Spring/summer project, signs.  MIL always had 'beware of dog' :wink: Since they came to the door & I was home, I made sure to check when they left.  

Was Anita maybe defending her property? :roll:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 04:10:19 PM
http://tinyurl.com/339xbz

http://tinyurl.com/2s33nh

From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:

Quote:
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba

Quote:
The Natalee Holloway Case
My own story about her disappearance on Aruba



Quote:
In mei 2005 verdwijnt op Aruba een Amerikaans meisje: Natalee Holloway (1.
Na een nachtje stappen met Joran van der Sloot (17) en zijn twee vrienden lijkt zij van de aardbodem verdwenen.
Joran van der Sloot wordt al snel aangehouden. Hij vertelt de politie eerst dat hij Natalee 's nachts naar haar hotel heeft gebracht - maar in werkelijkheid heeft hij haar alleen op het strand achtergelaten.

In may 2005 an American girl disappears on Aruba: Natalee Holloway (1
After a night out with Joran van der Sloot and two of his friends, she seemed to have disappeared on the face of the earth.
Joran van der Sloot is been arrested pretty quick. First he tells the police that he brought Natalee back to her hotel that night- but in reality he left her alone on the beach.


De ouders van Natalee beginnen een enorm mediaoffensief om te achterhalen wat er met hun dochter is gebeurd. Tot op heden heeft noch de Arubaanse of Nederlandse politie, noch de fbi een spoor van haar gevonden.

The parents of Natalee are starting an enormous media offensive, to find out what happened to their daughter. Until now nor the Aruban, Dutch police, nor the FBI have found any trace of her.

In dit boek onthult Joran van der Sloot (Arnhem, 1987) alles over zijn leven en zijn ontmoeting met Natalee. Hij vertelt onder meer over de drie maanden in de Arubaanse gevangenis, de politieverhoren, de impact van de Amerikaanse media en geeft zijn visie op haar verdwijning.

In this book Joran van der Sloot ( Arnhem, 1987, place of birth) tells anything about his life and his meeting with Natalee. He tells about the three months he spent in the Aruban prison, the interrogations, the impact of the American media, and gives his vision about her disappearance.

Zvezdana Vukojevic (Amsterdam, 1978) studeerde aan de School voor Journalistiek in Utrecht en aan de San Francisco State University. Ze werkte voor HP/De Tijd, Algemeen Dagblad en het bbc 1 tv-programma Panorama; nu werkt ze voor Nieuwe Revu.

Zvezdana Vukojevic ( Amsterdam, 1978) studied at the School for Journalistics in Utrecht and at the San Francisco State University. She worked among others for HP/De Tijd, Algemeen Dagblad, and the BBC program Panorama; now she works for Nieuwe Revu.


De Zaak Natalee Holloway is het resultaat van een serie uitputtende interviews met Joran van der Sloot en het raadplegen van talloze schriftelijke bronnen, waaronder het strafdossier.

The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews with Joran van der Sloot and numerous written sources, among which the case files.



Quote:
Inhoud
Contents

Woord vooraf 9
Forword 9
Inleiding 12
Introduction 12

1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26 An American School on Aruba

3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's

4 De pimps 45 The Pimps

5 Vriendinnen 50 Girlfriends

6 Gokken 58 Gambling

7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies

10 Gearresteerd 137 Arrested

11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy

12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163 Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran

13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174 Youth Department of KIA

14 Geslagen door de politie 194 Hit by the police

15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217 Detectives from Holland

16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239 In a hurry to Holland

17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243 Two new suspects

18 In de val gelokt 257 Lured into a trap

19 Het ABC-interview 275 The ABC - Interview

20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287 Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina

21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press

22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries

23 Theorieën 325 Theories


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 04:17:39 PM
Afternoon Monkeys, thanks for posting the info about the book Klaas . I wonder if this chapter is going to open Joran up to a liable suit?


22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 19, 2007, 04:25:02 PM
Quote
The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews


I bet they were 'exhausting'  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 04:39:41 PM
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press

*****

Babelfish - nothing Dutch to English, but German to English says hetze = rush, which would make sense, but then, Hannie might know better...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 04:53:30 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press

*****

Babelfish - nothing Dutch to English, but German to English says hetze = rush, which would make sense, but then, Hannie might know better...


Dutch to English dictionary by word:

Hetze = agitation

http://www.wordgumbo.com/ie/ger/dut/erduteng.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 04:54:24 PM
Need to pick up my car and then go to the grocery store.  Be back in a while  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
http://tinyurl.com/339xbz

http://tinyurl.com/2s33nh

From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:

{edited}

1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26 An American School on Aruba

3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's

4 De pimps 45 The Pimps

5 Vriendinnen 50 Girlfriends

6 Gokken 58 Gambling

7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies

10 Gearresteerd 137 Arrested

11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy

12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163 Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran

13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174 Youth Department of KIA

14 Geslagen door de politie 194 Hit by the police

15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217 Detectives from Holland

16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239 In a hurry to Holland

17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243 Two new suspects

18 In de val gelokt 257 Lured into a trap

19 Het ABC-interview 275 The ABC - Interview

20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287 Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina

21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press

22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries

23 Theorieën 325 Theories

You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote
The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews


I bet they were 'exhausting'  :wink:


 :smt045

That's probably the only truth that can be found in reading his book...

 :smt043


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 19, 2007, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


Mellon head.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:23:15 PM
San:

The only time that I can remember anything being said about Joran
suffering any physical injury was the black eye and scratches that
his classmates said he had right after Natalee went missing.

Way to go, Natalee.  In any other country, that would have been
enough to get anyone arrested...

But... not in Aruba.  

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 05:27:16 PM
:smt006  Hi Monkeys

Just dropping in for a bit...
Hope everone is doing well

Quote
The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews with Joran van der Sloot and numerous written sources, among which the case files.


I wonder how they got access to the case files :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:29:23 PM
Hey, Old Fart....

I was wondering the same thing.

 :scratch:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


From Joran's perspective, it IS someone else's fault.  Like Cho saying "you made me do this", there are brains running around out there that believe that.  A sociopath, as I understand it, sees everyone as being there for his comfort, convenience and pleasure.  If something goes wrong for him, it is their fault.  He was simply doing what he's on this earth to do, which is whatever serves his needs, purposes or desires.  Joran's Primetime interview, IMHO, shows this so clearly.  He seemed baffled by questions about whether or not everyone wanted to do the same thing he wanted to do, which is how he tells it.  She wanted me.  She wanted to go to my house.  2K had no problem doing whatever I wanted.  2k didn't mind driving me around.  Etc.  When asked why, he verbally stumbles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 05:31:51 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Old Fart....

I was wondering the same thing.

 :scratch:


Patti
Yes it may be interesting to see "What case file" references are made in the book and then figure out where/who it could have come from


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:34:11 PM
You don't think that he was given access to any of the files in Holland,
do you?  Did papa Sloot pull a few strings?????

Oh, no!  Say it isn't so....

 :smt031

SURPRISE!!!!

(Jerks)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
http://tinyurl.com/339xbz

http://tinyurl.com/2s33nh

From RU - translation by HannieC - excerpt from Joran's book and a list of the chapters:

{edited}

1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26 An American School on Aruba

3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's

4 De pimps 45 The Pimps

5 Vriendinnen 50 Girlfriends

6 Gokken 58 Gambling

7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies

10 Gearresteerd 137 Arrested

11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy

12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163 Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran

13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174 Youth Department of KIA

14 Geslagen door de politie 194 Hit by the police

15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217 Detectives from Holland

16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239 In a hurry to Holland

17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243 Two new suspects

18 In de val gelokt 257 Lured into a trap

19 Het ABC-interview 275 The ABC - Interview

20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287 Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina

21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The .....( don`t know what "hetze" means in English) of the American Press

22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries

23 Theorieën 325 Theories

You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar.
Abraham Lincoln


Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: What was it like for you in jail?

VAN DER SLOOT: It wasn't, I mean, I mean they treated me really well there when I was there. I mean all the people there were great. Also, you know, the security guards and everyone was really, really supportive, really good but, I mean of course it's not fun to be in jail I mean.
You know you don't have your, you know, you don't have your freedom to walk, to do what you want to do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 05:34:45 PM
I'll add that if a guard at Rikers tells an inmate to come with him and that inmate says "I'm not going anywhere until you release my father", I would not be surprised if things got physical.  Could be those guards are the only ones with the cajones to stand up to Joran van der Sociopath.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 05:35:36 PM
BTgirl

If you are still around or happen on this...

Could you e-mail me @ the SM.OLDF  address  
TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Old Fart....

I was wondering the same thing.

 :scratch:


Patti
Yes it may be interesting to see "What case file" references are made in the book and then figure out where/who it could have come from


Thanks, Old Fart.... words of wisdom.

How do you feel about the Dutch calling in more forces?

Do you think they, FINALLY, detected a little c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n?

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Patti"
Hey, Old Fart....

I was wondering the same thing.

 :scratch:


Patti
Yes it may be interesting to see "What case file" references are made in the book and then figure out where/who it could have come from


Thanks, Old Fart.... words of wisdom.

How do you feel about the Dutch calling in more forces?

Do you think they, FINALLY, detected a little c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n?

 :wink:


I  read that ... but I was not sure if more were coming or just refering to the 10 that are supposed be there :?

We can only hope & pray.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
San:

The only time that I can remember anything being said about Joran
suffering any physical injury was the black eye and scratches that
his classmates said he had right after Natalee went missing.

Way to go, Natalee.  In any other country, that would have been
enough to get anyone arrested...

But... not in Aruba.  

 :roll:


Yep.  It also would have been enough for police to put on their cowboy hats and go in with a search warrant.  For the entire premises.  Especially since he was a high school kid living with his parents, with only separate sleeping quarters.  (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/cowboysmiley.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


From Joran's perspective, it IS someone else's fault.  Like Cho saying "you made me do this", there are brains running around out there that believe that.  A sociopath, as I understand it, sees everyone as being there for his comfort, convenience and pleasure.  If something goes wrong for him, it is their fault.  He was simply doing what he's on this earth to do, which is whatever serves his needs, purposes or desires.  Joran's Primetime interview, IMHO, shows this so clearly.  He seemed baffled by questions about whether or not everyone wanted to do the same thing he wanted to do, which is how he tells it.  She wanted me.  She wanted to go to my house.  2K had no problem doing whatever I wanted.  2k didn't mind driving me around.  Etc.  When asked why, he verbally stumbles.

Isn't that the most simple question and he stumbled?  WHY?  He was all prepared to answer all these questions and someone throws a WHY at him and he got baffled.  It's like when he was asked if he saw Natalee in duress.  The look on his face said it all.  MURDERER.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Patti"
San:

The only time that I can remember anything being said about Joran
suffering any physical injury was the black eye and scratches that
his classmates said he had right after Natalee went missing.

Way to go, Natalee.  In any other country, that would have been
enough to get anyone arrested...

But... not in Aruba.  

 :roll:


Yep.  It also would have been enough for police to put on their cowboy hats and go in with a search warrant.  For the entire premises.  Especially since he was a high school kid living with his parents, with only separate sleeping quarters.  (http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/cowboysmiley.gif)


I love Cowboys!  

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


From Joran's perspective, it IS someone else's fault.  Like Cho saying "you made me do this", there are brains running around out there that believe that.  A sociopath, as I understand it, sees everyone as being there for his comfort, convenience and pleasure.  If something goes wrong for him, it is their fault.  He was simply doing what he's on this earth to do, which is whatever serves his needs, purposes or desires.  Joran's Primetime interview, IMHO, shows this so clearly.  He seemed baffled by questions about whether or not everyone wanted to do the same thing he wanted to do, which is how he tells it.  She wanted me.  She wanted to go to my house.  2K had no problem doing whatever I wanted.  2k didn't mind driving me around.  Etc.  When asked why, he verbally stumbles.

Isn't that the most simple question and he stumbled?  WHY?  He was all prepared to answer all these questions and someone throws a WHY at him and he got baffled.  It's like when he was asked if he saw Natalee in duress.  The look on his face said it all.  MURDERER.

Sorry I thing the word he used was in distress.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 19, 2007, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BTgirl

If you are still around or happen on this...

Could you e-mail me @ the SM.OLDF  address  
TY


Hey there,

I don't seem to have that one. Would you please give me the whole address or either go ahead and email me at sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 05:48:06 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
You don't think that he was given access to any of the files in Holland,
do you?  Did papa Sloot pull a few strings?????

Oh, no!  Say it isn't so....

 :smt031

SURPRISE!!!!

(Jerks)



Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

February 16, 2006

Page 10 of 17

 49.  Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 05:48:34 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Hey OLdfart nice to see you in the cage. I was wondering about you today and was going to ask Klaas if she had seen you.

I did not read back so am probably posting old news but on Easys Blog

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/

He talks about the even more Dutch investigators going to Aruba. I so hope this means something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 05:50:51 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Patti"
You don't think that he was given access to any of the files in Holland,
do you?  Did papa Sloot pull a few strings?????

Oh, no!  Say it isn't so....

 :smt031

SURPRISE!!!!

(Jerks)



Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

February 16, 2006

Page 10 of 17

 49.  Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.

Well we have only seen a tip of the iceberg regarding interrogation documents.  Can't wait to see the rest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"

I  read that ... but I was not sure if more were coming or just refering to the 10 that are supposed be there :?

We can only hope & pray.


When did the 10 investigators from Holland arrive in Aruba?  I don't think it would take 10 people 3 or 4 days to put those files in a cold case locker.  They could have hired someone else to do it and supervised.  Are they at C&C's watching their drinks?  Are they gambling at Posner's VIP table?  Have we checked the beach cam for pics?  Advice to Dutch investigators:  SPF 30.  That sun down there is strong!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 05:54:02 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hi Monkeys,

Hey OLdfart nice to see you in the cage. I was wondering about you today and was going to ask Klaas if she had seen you.

I did not read back so am probably posting old news but on Easys Blog

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/

He talks about the even more Dutch investigators going to Aruba. I so hope this means something.


Hey SAM

Still here  ....
Out of date on everything though  :oops:  :(



BTgirl
Thanks and Mail on the way


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "San"
You get the feeling that Joran is trying to make this another sob story.  He really belives his own lies.  Once again he is saying the police beat him.  They didn't touch one hair on his mellon head.

A book of lies.


From Joran's perspective, it IS someone else's fault.  Like Cho saying "you made me do this", there are brains running around out there that believe that.  A sociopath, as I understand it, sees everyone as being there for his comfort, convenience and pleasure.  If something goes wrong for him, it is their fault.  He was simply doing what he's on this earth to do, which is whatever serves his needs, purposes or desires.  Joran's Primetime interview, IMHO, shows this so clearly.  He seemed baffled by questions about whether or not everyone wanted to do the same thing he wanted to do, which is how he tells it.  She wanted me.  She wanted to go to my house.  2K had no problem doing whatever I wanted.  2k didn't mind driving me around.  Etc.  When asked why, he verbally stumbles.

Isn't that the most simple question and he stumbled?  WHY?  He was all prepared to answer all these questions and someone throws a WHY at him and he got baffled.  It's like when he was asked if he saw Natalee in duress.  The look on his face said it all.  MURDERER.

Sorry I thing the word he used was in distress.


It's sad that he was so self-centered that he didn't even care about what
he had done to Natalee.  I hate to think about that... but I definately, see
the coalation that you're making between he and Cho.  It was always someone else's fault with Joran.

Mommy, please, why weren't you home?

Problem is:  His parents let him get away with all that shit.  Even in the
statements made to the Police, Deepak, who is no saint alluded to the
fact that Joran is mean and cruel to everyone.  

It's just sad, when you think that all of this could have been avoided, had
someone, truly, been the responsible parent.  In the case of Joran... he
had killed before, or atleast there were rumors that he had.  He had also
raped girls before, too.  And the statements made by his mother of his
innocence is enough to make a person sick.  This is a person that had
prided himself on his ability to prey upon people... and the whole island
looked the other way.

I'm not even going to bother reading his book.  There is sure to be another written that is full of truth, instead of lies and has a happy ending
for everyone involved, perhaps, even, Joran.  Justice is the only answer.

I know I sound like I'm preaching to the choir, but those are my thoughts.

I'm going to make dinner, now.  I hope I can shake this sad mood.

 :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
It's sad that he was so self-centered that he didn't even care about what
he had done to Natalee.  I hate to think about that... but I definately, see
the coalation that you're making between he and Cho.  It was always someone else's fault with Joran.

Mommy, please, why weren't you home?

Problem is:  His parents let him get away with all that shit.  Even in the
statements made to the Police, Deepak, who is no saint alluded to the
fact that Joran is mean and cruel to everyone.  

It's just sad, when you think that all of this could have been avoided, had
someone, truly, been the responsible parent.  In the case of Joran... he
had killed before, or atleast there were rumors that he had.  He had also
raped girls before, too.  And the statements made by his mother of his
innocence is enough to make a person sick.  This is a person that had
prided himself on his ability to prey upon people... and the whole island
looked the other way.

I'm not even going to bother reading his book.  There is sure to be another written that is full of truth, instead of lies and has a happy ending
for everyone involved, perhaps, even, Joran.  Justice is the only answer.

I know I sound like I'm preaching to the choir, but those are my thoughts.

I'm going to make dinner, now.  I hope I can shake this sad mood.

 :cry:


Don't be sad, Patti!  When you look around and see this twisted and sick minds and the tragedies that could have been prevented, always remind yourself that there are "Monkeys" everywhere.  There will always be people fighting for the truth, standing for justice and who are willing and able to go beyond their own day-to-day existence and make a difference.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hi Monkeys,

Hey OLdfart nice to see you in the cage. I was wondering about you today and was going to ask Klaas if she had seen you.

I did not read back so am probably posting old news but on Easys Blog

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/

He talks about the even more Dutch investigators going to Aruba. I so hope this means something.


Hey SAM

Still here  ....
Out of date on everything though  :oops:  :(



BTgirl
Thanks and Mail on the way


Of course there is not alot of new news. But the monkeys keep plodding along. One of the interesting things latley is the find by some of the Monkeys that the picture of Natalee dancing on the Bar/stage at C and Cs' was evidently photoshopped.

Plus some of the things Esay has been posting from Jossy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 06:04:39 PM
Janet... I love ya, Girl!

We jinxed eachother on the front page.... we couldn't have done it
any better if we had planned it.  Check it out!

Good team, I say....

I ask the questions to provoke thought....

and you answer them to provoke action....

High Five!!!

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 06:06:23 PM
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall, always.

-Mahatma Gandhi


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 06:07:35 PM
I think I may soon get Angies title of Typo queen. LOL
Esay should be Easy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 06:08:10 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
:smt006  Hi Monkeys

Just dropping in for a bit...
Hope everone is doing well

Quote
The Case of Natalee Holloway is the result of a serie of exhausting interviews with Joran van der Sloot and numerous written sources, among which the case files.


I wonder how they got access to the case files :?


Oldfart - it's my understanding that all of the suspects in the case are supposed to get the case files.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 06:10:02 PM
Hello Monkeys!
Just checking in then going to read back a few pages.  If I drop out of the tree I will return - keep losing the internet connection this morning.  Very annoying.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2007, 06:12:01 PM
Well Monkeys  time for me to get some things done...

Have fun & keep the faith
SeeeYaaaaByeeeeeeeee


Klaasend

"are supposed to get the case files" or has the case files.
and what about the victims family getting a copy ???

SYB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 06:15:38 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Well Monkeys  time for me to get some things done...

Have fun & keep the faith
SeeeYaaaaByeeeeeeeee


Klaasend

"are supposed to get the case files" or has the case files.
and what about the victims family getting a copy ???

SYB

It is my understanding that ALL of the suspects or their attorneys are supposed to get the entire case file on everyone.  We are talking ARUBA, so who knows who got what.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 06:16:42 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Patti"
It's sad that he was so self-centered that he didn't even care about what
he had done to Natalee.  I hate to think about that... but I definately, see
the coalation that you're making between he and Cho.  It was always someone else's fault with Joran.

Mommy, please, why weren't you home?

Problem is:  His parents let him get away with all that shit.  Even in the
statements made to the Police, Deepak, who is no saint alluded to the
fact that Joran is mean and cruel to everyone.  

It's just sad, when you think that all of this could have been avoided, had
someone, truly, been the responsible parent.  In the case of Joran... he
had killed before, or atleast there were rumors that he had.  He had also
raped girls before, too.  And the statements made by his mother of his
innocence is enough to make a person sick.  This is a person that had
prided himself on his ability to prey upon people... and the whole island
looked the other way.

I'm not even going to bother reading his book.  There is sure to be another written that is full of truth, instead of lies and has a happy ending
for everyone involved, perhaps, even, Joran.  Justice is the only answer.

I know I sound like I'm preaching to the choir, but those are my thoughts.

I'm going to make dinner, now.  I hope I can shake this sad mood.

 :cry:


Don't be sad, Patti!  When you look around and see this twisted and sick minds and the tragedies that could have been prevented, always remind yourself that there are "Monkeys" everywhere.  There will always be people fighting for the truth, standing for justice and who are willing and able to go beyond their own day-to-day existence and make a difference.


Thanks, Lil Puma!!!

You are so sweet.

 :smt058

It's just that in this case, the wrong was compounded by another wrong.
Sometimes I get discouraged because we're not dealing with Americans
but rather, victims of a corrupt system that have forgotten the golden
rule.  How do you overcome that?  I think that Shango is right and the
way that I interpret his writings is that it will eventually be up to Aruba,
the Indians, to make peace.  And so far, they seem to be content being
intimidated and held powerless.   How do you arouse these people?  I
read the writings of Jossy in his editorial and it has reiterated exactly what
we have been saying from the beginning... but it has taken two years for
Aruba to come to recognize it.  And even now, there are those that refuse
to see it for what it really is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall, always.

-Mahatma Gandhi


 :smt038

That bears repeating....

Thanks, Lil Puma.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Janet... I love ya, Girl!

We jinxed eachother on the front page.... we couldn't have done it
any better if we had planned it.  Check it out!

Good team, I say....

I ask the questions to provoke thought....

and you answer them to provoke action....

High Five!!!

 :wink:


Janet:

Jinx is a word that describes two people saying the same thing at the
same time.   I hope you weren't thinking that I had called you a name.
I don't know if they use the same slang, in Canada, as we do here.

A jinx is a good thing!!!!

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 19, 2007, 06:41:19 PM
Well, I suppose it's time for dinner, but I'll check in later to see if there are any pics yet of Dennis Jacobs, the Sloots and Guido in cuffs being led away, while Guido's attorney Spongey Bob, and Joe Tacopina burst a few blood vessels threatening people with lawsuits.  

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Well, I suppose it's time for dinner, but I'll check in later to see if there are any pics yet of Dennis Jacobs, the Sloots and Guido in cuffs being led away, while Guido's attorney Spongey Bob, and Joe Tacopina burst a few blood vessels threatening people with lawsuits.  

 :lol:  :lol:


Spoken like a true visionary....  It will happen.

Keep up the Faith, Monkeys!

Later....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 07:00:26 PM
Hey Monkeys. I haven't been on in a couple of days. Anything new happening? TIA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 19, 2007, 07:01:27 PM
Keep the Faith Little Puma,the train of Justice is rolling.San,I would used that move and the Tigers claw.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 07:01:53 PM
Hi Tiger!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 19, 2007, 07:12:18 PM
Hey Mishy! Long time... :) How ya' been?

I'm  checking in to see if there is any justice for Natalee today.  I remain hopeful the day will come.  We've been led up and down different paths, but you know, we just gotta believe it can/will happen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 07:15:42 PM
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Woops, meant to say "one day"

Where's that edit button???????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 19, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Woops, meant to say "one day"

Where's that edit button???????


I knew you meant "one day", Mishy :)   Angie called me "Mussy" earlier this week-you know our Typo Queen :D  :D
I don't trust 'em either, and I don't count on that for justice for Natalee.  I think somehow, someway someone is going to talk.  Someone will let the cat outta the bag and everything will come out like a dam bursting.  I think it will be by bragging or perhaps they will be under the influence of alcohol or drugs.  I don't think it would be money, as that has been offered.  It will be the slip of a tongue.  Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I think it can happen someday.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 19, 2007, 07:29:20 PM
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 07:32:19 PM
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 07:37:58 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Hi Mishy - I am surprised that someone involved has not already spilled their guts.  They are all such weak looking individuals, it is hard to imagine them being able to keep up the charade for this long.  There must be something being held over them to keep their mouths shut as bragging about their exploits would be part of the perverted pimp culture.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.



I'd hate to see his book party spoiled by this new investigative push, Igsigs. Not! It will be interesting to see the extent he goes to in implicating the Kalpoes in his tome. Maybe he'll even explain why they both say they never went back to get him, or why they say they went to the lighthouse and he says they didn't, or why his father got caught lying  about what he was doing at 4:00 am, but I won't hold my breath.

This is an excercise to get his final lies on paper. Being a professional pathological liar, all the others he told before these become null and void in his mind. This will be his attempt to erase the past.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)



Love it Klaas!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)
I LOVE IT!!  :lol:  :D  :lol:  Hello Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
Hi guys? How's everything tonight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 19, 2007, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)

 :smt038  :thumright:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.



Joran's book may be just what it takes to kick the Kalpoes over the line, if they haven't ratted him out already. Am sure they haven't taken too kindly to his innuendos.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 07:45:59 PM
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.


The Kalpoes have the upper hand in the book deals.  They are waiting to see what he writes and they will tell their version.  What is Joran going to do about it.  Is he going to write version number 2 and call it why I lied in book one :lol: .
Joran's book may be just what it takes to kick the Kalpoes over the line, if they haven't ratted him out already. Am sure they haven't taken too kindly to his innuendos.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.


Joran's book may be just what it takes to kick the Kalpoes over the line, if they haven't ratted him out already. Am sure they haven't taken too kindly to his innuendos.

Geez I messed that quote up.  Let me try again.

The Kalpoes have the upper hand in the book deals.  They are waiting to see what he writes and they will tell their version.  What is Joran going to do about it.  Is he going to write version number 2 and call it why I lied in book one :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:
Awww, look at that...that is cool.... wait till robots sees that one! {{{Thanks CBB}}}! I will save it for closer to the 4th! Thanks  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:
Awww, look at that...that is cool.... wait till robots sees that one! {{{Thanks CBB}}}! I will save it for closer to the 4th! Thanks  :D

I said the same thing but msmarple said it was for Memorial Day and Flag day. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:
Awww, look at that...that is cool.... wait till robots sees that one! {{{Thanks CBB}}}! I will save it for closer to the 4th! Thanks  :D

I said the same thing but msmarple said it was for Memorial Day and Flag day. :D
Well then hows this! :wink: Thanks CBB!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:
Awww, look at that...that is cool.... wait till robots sees that one! {{{Thanks CBB}}}! I will save it for closer to the 4th! Thanks  :D

I said the same thing but msmarple said it was for Memorial Day and Flag day. :D
Well then hows this! :wink: Thanks CBB!!

Much better :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 19, 2007, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.


Joran's book may be just what it takes to kick the Kalpoes over the line, if they haven't ratted him out already. Am sure they haven't taken too kindly to his innuendos.

Geez I messed that quote up.  Let me try again.

The Kalpoes have the upper hand in the book deals.  They are waiting to see what he writes and they will tell their version.  What is Joran going to do about it.  Is he going to write version number 2 and call it why I lied in book one :lol: .



Good point San. They could blow him out of the water.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 19, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Hi Mishy - I am surprised that someone involved has not already spilled their guts.  They are all such weak looking individuals, it is hard to imagine them being able to keep up the charade for this long.  There must be something being held over them to keep their mouths shut as bragging about their exploits would be part of the perverted pimp culture.


I think it's FEAR that has kept everyone's mouths shut.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 19, 2007, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Elaine! Have you seen this?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/el4.gif)
 :lol:
Awww, look at that...that is cool.... wait till robots sees that one! {{{Thanks CBB}}}! I will save it for closer to the 4th! Thanks  :D

I said the same thing but msmarple said it was for Memorial Day and Flag day. :D
Well then hows this! :wink: Thanks CBB!!

WOW, Elaine, you look like royalty  :king:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Geez I messed that quote up.  Let me try again.

The Kalpoes have the upper hand in the book deals.  They are waiting to see what he writes and they will tell their version.  What is Joran going to do about it.  Is he going to write version number 2 and call it why I lied in book one :lol: .
Yes, and then he has to write versions 3 through 22.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, Elaine, you look like royalty  :king:
Why thank-you sir! You look pretty spiffy too! Don't you love my new glasses! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 19, 2007, 08:12:58 PM
Hi monkeys. I'm just showing off my new avatar, courtesy of CBB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?
I thought Rooscrew is the one from Vegas? Maybe I am wrong? Klaas...?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 08:14:22 PM
You all are looking Georgeous and so Patriotic in your new Clothes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: tcumom on April 19, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
I think y'all are asking about KatzHome or something like that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 19, 2007, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, Elaine, you look like royalty  :king:
Why thank-you sir! You look pretty spiffy too! Don't you love my new glasses! :D

Glasses ROCK, I'm for some strange reason feeling the urge to put on an Elton disc.   :mrgreen:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi monkeys. I'm just showing off my new avatar, courtesy of CBB.
That's very cute BT, isn't CBB great!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, Elaine, you look like royalty  :king:
Why thank-you sir! You look pretty spiffy too! Don't you love my new glasses! :D

Glasses ROCK, I'm for some strange reason feeling the urge to put on an Elton disc.   :mrgreen:
:lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?
I thought Rooscrew is the one from Vegas? Maybe I am wrong? Klaas...?


I am going to try to do a quick search on members but was sure it was Kat something. I used to get confused between our Canadian poster Kat and the one I am asking about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?
I thought Rooscrew is the one from Vegas? Maybe I am wrong? Klaas...?


I am going to try to do a quick search on members but was sure it was Kat something. I used to get confused between our Canadian poster Kat and the one I am asking about.
TCUMom was right Katzhome probably


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 19, 2007, 08:21:32 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?
I thought Rooscrew is the one from Vegas? Maybe I am wrong? Klaas...?


I am going to try to do a quick search on members but was sure it was Kat something. I used to get confused between our Canadian poster Kat and the one I am asking about.
TCUMom was right Katzhome probably


Yep, I think Sam is talking about Katzhome.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:21:42 PM
Sam, if you were wondering about Katzhome, she emailed me about 6 weeks ago? Said she has been busy but she will stop by soon,....So shoutout to you Katzhome...don't forget to stop by and let us know how you are!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Sam, if you were wondering about Katzhome, she emailed me about 6 weeks ago? Said she has been busy but she will stop by soon,....So shoutout to you Katzhome...don't forget to stop by and let us know how you are!
I would also love to hear from kackylacky..and ozziesmom!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Hi Mishy - I am surprised that someone involved has not already spilled their guts.  They are all such weak looking individuals, it is hard to imagine them being able to keep up the charade for this long.  There must be something being held over them to keep their mouths shut as bragging about their exploits would be part of the perverted pimp culture.


Very true...how smart could any of them be? Getting wasted all the time, taking crazy chances, etc? Bragging rights would be part of the pimp culture, I agree...What makes them feel so invincible? What do they know that we don't?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
WOW, Elaine, you look like royalty  :king:
Why thank-you sir! You look pretty spiffy too! Don't you love my new glasses! :D

Glasses ROCK, I'm for some strange reason feeling the urge to put on an Elton disc.   :mrgreen:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Hi Mishy - I am surprised that someone involved has not already spilled their guts.  They are all such weak looking individuals, it is hard to imagine them being able to keep up the charade for this long.  There must be something being held over them to keep their mouths shut as bragging about their exploits would be part of the perverted pimp culture.


I think it's FEAR that has kept everyone's mouths shut.


Good point...but what specifically are they afraid of? We have speculated on this for months, but what's the real story? How close are we?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?


Sam, I heard from KatzHome recently on email. We didn't discuss where she had been, though. She hasn't been on here in ages...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 19, 2007, 08:28:54 PM
Ok, goodnight everyone.  I was so hoping for something new with the army of Dutch investigators but like in the past, these people have no sense of urgency, they do everything at a snails pace. Usually going nowhere,  must be the heat.  I just promised I'd be more optimistic this time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:29:25 PM
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Ok, goodnight everyone.  I was so hoping for something new with the army of Dutch investigators but like in the past, these people have no sense of urgency, they do everything at a snails pace. Usually going nowhere,  must be the heat.  I just promised I'd be more optimistic this time.


'night Indy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!
You mean this one? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Ok, goodnight everyone.  I was so hoping for something new with the army of Dutch investigators but like in the past, these people have no sense of urgency, they do everything at a snails pace. Usually going nowhere,  must be the heat.  I just promised I'd be more optimistic this time.

Nite IndyDan


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:38:33 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!
You mean this one? :D


I wonder why I can't see it? It's a square with a red circle in it...same for Tcumom


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!
You mean this one? :D


I wonder why I can't see it? It's a square with a red circle in it...same for Tcumom


red diamond in it, not a red circle inside a little square..that's all I see :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 08:39:56 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!


Mishy did you see the avatar cbb did for you?  The butt shaking one all ready for 4 July?  Too cute


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 08:43:27 PM
BRB need to reboot here


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
My wish  :wink:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/three_dipshits2copy.jpg)

 :smt038  :thumright:


ROFL!! I bet Guido and Joran would want there own cell :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mishy"
I pray justice comes on day Muffy...Sometimes it is hard to be optimistic, because I don't trust 'em, but I do pray that somebody will drop the dime one of these days..I hope you are doing well...I'll check back after I feed the kiddies...great to see ya this evening!


Hi Mishy - I am surprised that someone involved has not already spilled their guts.  They are all such weak looking individuals, it is hard to imagine them being able to keep up the charade for this long.  There must be something being held over them to keep their mouths shut as bragging about their exploits would be part of the perverted pimp culture.


I think it's FEAR that has kept everyone's mouths shut.


Good point...but what specifically are they afraid of? We have speculated on this for months, but what's the real story? How close are we?


Or WHO are they afraid of?  Who could have so many in fear of their lives which must be the way it is for them to be so silent.
I am sure that the monkeys have uncovered the truth over the past months and identified the culprits as well.  There are not many monkeys that are trained in investigations of this sort so if it is so obvious to us what makes them think they can cover up the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Sam"
Hey Monkeys,
I know this is completley off topic. We used to have a poster on here who has nor posted for quite awhile. I am unsure of her name, Kat Something. She lived I believe in the Las Vegas area and was a dealer at one of the casinos. Has anyone heard from her? Or know what happened to her?


Sam, I heard from KatzHome recently on email. We didn't discuss where she had been, though. She hasn't been on here in ages...


Thanks everyone who answered me. I went into our member list to search. I found a Kat, Katzhome and Katgram. So funny I could not find my own name. Got to looking at the list and afterawhile I noticed alot of the members had web pages. Not Members names I was used to seeing though. LOL

I clicked on one and it was advertising Cialis or viagra or something. I have a feeling some of those only joined the forum to link that crap here.  Since they have never posted here JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Janet... I love ya, Girl!

We jinxed eachother on the front page.... we couldn't have done it
any better if we had planned it.  Check it out!

Good team, I say....

I ask the questions to provoke thought....

and you answer them to provoke action....

High Five!!!

 :wink:


 :lol:    Patti ... did you read my response?

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 19, 2007, 08:56:34 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!


Mishy did you see the avatar cbb did for you?  The butt shaking one all ready for 4 July?  Too cute


No I didn't! I put my avi that you see here on the holiday avi thread, but I didn't see the butt shaking one...I'll have to check it out...thanks for letting me know!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sb on April 19, 2007, 09:07:54 PM
You know, one would think at SOME point that Deepak and/or Satish would have taken the money and RUN... nab themselves a fat book or interview contract, and get out of Dodge posthaste.

They haven't.

Wonder what they are scared of...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Thanks Klaas/Hannie for book info.

- Looks like Joran is going to say Freddy told the beach story 1st. Don't know if that is true or not but, either way, it's makes the Carlo/Paulus/Freddy meeting central to the obstruction.

- Big cajones on Joran to title a chapter...it was Satish not Deepak. It is proof that the Kalpoes are powerless and goes a long way to explaining why truth/justice is being denied.

I would love to see the Kalpoes write their own book.  I would bet they sell more copies than Joran I changed my story 22 times Van der Sloot.


Joran's book may be just what it takes to kick the Kalpoes over the line, if they haven't ratted him out already. Am sure they haven't taken too kindly to his innuendos.


Dayhike ... according to Beth ... Deepak has been itching to tell his version the events encompassing the Natalee Holloway story since "early on".

Janet

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 1, 2005

TWITTY: Oh, you know, Rita, not only hearing that, but I actually saw it come across someone's Blackberry, a reporter, where Deepak was saying that he wanted $250,000 in a book or a movie deal. You know, and I had to see it, like I said, come across a reporter's Blackberry. Deepak's been reaching out to various reporters in the United States since early on


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
Sam, I noticed a lot of new members have the same crap a long time ago...guess it's hard to determine the legits....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 19, 2007, 09:18:12 PM
Janet, I cannot shine your shoes...amazing...and much appreciated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: "sb"
You know, one would think at SOME point that Deepak and/or Satish would have taken the money and RUN... nab themselves a fat book or interview contract, and get out of Dodge posthaste.

They haven't.

Wonder what they are scared of...
Did you see the statement that Satish had given where he said:...The father of Joran, Paulus said that since me and my brother have been questioned as witnesses that we could also be questioned as suspects.  (I think Paulus put the fear of God into them that if they are involved at all, they are involved all the way?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:23:24 PM
Klaas, when you have time check your email


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Sam, I noticed a lot of new members have the same crap a long time ago...guess it's hard to determine the legits....
Well now we know where to get cialis if we ever need it,  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 19, 2007, 09:31:42 PM
Hiya, monkeys!

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/Cowlick.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hiya, monkeys!

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/Cowlick.gif)
wow! he just cleaned my whole screen here :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:34:51 PM
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 19, 2007, 09:35:12 PM
Aren't cows great?  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 19, 2007, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!
That would be great! I have a bad feeling about what he may say because Paulus has said.."Joran doesn't sugarcoat anything" and the point being that it will be his word against Natalee's word, and she isn't here to say otherwise. Just doesn't seem fair that he (or others ) can slander a missing and presumed dead person. It certainly is immoral.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 19, 2007, 09:40:59 PM
Yes, there are so many people missing since time has went on.  I would like to think we were good friends no matter what was going on in this case. I would like to think we would all continue posting, even on other topics until something in the case came up.  Isn't it sad how it takes a tragedy to bring people together?  I know I don't 'post' alot, but I don't post unless I have something I feel I can add to the topic, but I guarentee, there is not a day that goes by that I don't stop in and check on updates on the case, or just see what's going on.

I understand we all have our lives to live, but I really do think of you all alot and feel you are a big part of it.  

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if we got a huge break in the case AND everybody came back?   Kill two birds with one stone?

Well, here's hoping something good happens SOON!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "mishy"
Lanie, where's your avi??? I wanna see!
You mean this one? :D


I wonder why I can't see it? It's a square with a red circle in it...same for Tcumom


Mishy - you probably need to clear your cookies.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 09:43:47 PM
Howdy Monkeys! Thanks CBB , found my festive makeover avatar in the lounge and love it! It actually resembles a rock-star who's name I can't think of right now. 8)

Oh I remember, here he is.......
(http://search.tvnz.co.nz/photogallery/images/gallery/news/g8_slash.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:51:32 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Yes, there are so many people missing since time has went on.  I would like to think we were good friends no matter what was going on in this case. I would like to think we would all continue posting, even on other topics until something in the case came up.  Isn't it sad how it takes a tragedy to bring people together?  I know I don't 'post' alot, but I don't post unless I have something I feel I can add to the topic, but I guarentee, there is not a day that goes by that I don't stop in and check on updates on the case, or just see what's going on.

I understand we all have our lives to live, but I really do think of you all alot and feel you are a big part of it.  

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if we got a huge break in the case AND everybody came back?   Kill two birds with one stone?

Well, here's hoping something good happens SOON!
Everyday I get up hoping that I will hear this case is solved. So, yes something good needs to happen!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Hiya, monkeys!

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/justinsmama/Cowlick.gif)


Justin's Mama!

Cows are amazing and I love your new avi!!!!

 :wink:

Klaas:

Do you think it'd be okay if I changed back into my original avitar?  How
do I do that?

I tried to look back on the thread to see the recipe, but that's impossible.
Do you still have it?

Hi! Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 19, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
These are great.CBB,you do a great,along with super Klass.I wish I could see you in a monkey/superwoman suit.Good night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Howdy Monkeys! Thanks CBB , found my festive makeover avatar in the lounge and love it! It actually resembles a rock-star who's name I can't think of right now. 8)

Oh I remember, here he is.......
(http://search.tvnz.co.nz/photogallery/images/gallery/news/g8_slash.jpg)
LOL   yes it does  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!
That would be great! I have a bad feeling about what he may say because Paulus has said.."Joran doesn't sugarcoat anything" and the point being that it will be his word against Natalee's word, and she isn't here to say otherwise. Just doesn't seem fair that he (or others ) can slander a missing and presumed dead person. It certainly is immoral.


That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!
That would be great! I have a bad feeling about what he may say because Paulus has said.."Joran doesn't sugarcoat anything" and the point being that it will be his word against Natalee's word, and she isn't here to say otherwise. Just doesn't seem fair that he (or others ) can slander a missing and presumed dead person. It certainly is immoral.


That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Howdy Monkeys! Thanks CBB , found my festive makeover avatar in the lounge and love it! It actually resembles a rock-star who's name I can't think of right now. 8)

Oh I remember, here he is.......
(http://search.tvnz.co.nz/photogallery/images/gallery/news/g8_slash.jpg)


BB:

I love it!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:00:10 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.



I would imagine she would have quite the tale to tell. I think she would probably wait until all avenues are exhausted first, though, so it would proabably be quite some time yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!
That would be great! I have a bad feeling about what he may say because Paulus has said.."Joran doesn't sugarcoat anything" and the point being that it will be his word against Natalee's word, and she isn't here to say otherwise. Just doesn't seem fair that he (or others ) can slander a missing and presumed dead person. It certainly is immoral.


That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .


I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.

Hi Art how are you.

She is not going to sit by and watch that monster try and humiliate her daugher any more.  Beth will speak for Natalee and when she does there won't be a problem with the English language and it will be released here in the states for whoever wants to read it.  Yes I can see the Aruba tourism numbers going down now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:04:11 PM
I need an edit button! THat should be "probably"..arghghg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:04:40 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:08:43 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


I'm hoping he gets his arse sued by a variety of people! Dvries comes to mind as one!
That would be great! I have a bad feeling about what he may say because Paulus has said.."Joran doesn't sugarcoat anything" and the point being that it will be his word against Natalee's word, and she isn't here to say otherwise. Just doesn't seem fair that he (or others ) can slander a missing and presumed dead person. It certainly is immoral.


That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .


I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.

Hi Art how are you.

She is not going to sit by and watch that monster try and humiliate her daugher any more.  Beth will speak for Natalee and when she does there won't be a problem with the English language and it will be released here in the states for whoever wants to read it.  Yes I can see the Aruba tourism numbers going down now.


Hi San
I'm good, how are you????

Well, I'd sure put my name on a waiting list for a book by Beth! I agree that she won't let that schmuck trash her daughter any longer.

and YES...the tourism will drop and drop and drop.

You know, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind going there anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:
Yea, wonder how much work Joran REALLY did in school. I would like to know why we {The united states} funds that International school in Aruba...you all know that the ISA= an American school


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:


I wonder if his book will make it to English and if he'd have book signings in the US?
THat would be the PERFECT place to picket! :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:
Yea, wonder how much work Joran REALLY did in school. I would like to know why we {The united states} funds that International school in Aruba...you all know that the ISA= an American school



I've often wondered that, Elaine.  
I wonder how much we give to that thing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .

I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.

Hi Art how are you.

She is not going to sit by and watch that monster try and humiliate her daugher any more.  Beth will speak for Natalee and when she does there won't be a problem with the English language and it will be released here in the states for whoever wants to read it.  Yes I can see the Aruba tourism numbers going down now.

Hi San
I'm good, how are you????

Well, I'd sure put my name on a waiting list for a book by Beth! I agree that she won't let that schmuck trash her daughter any longer.

and YES...the tourism will drop and drop and drop.

You know, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind going there anyway.

I'm fine Art.  They couldn't pay me to go to that dirty island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


.... not at all.  Joran has lied over and over and over and over again in regards to the two short hours he claims he spent in Natalee's company after leaving Carlos N' Charles.  Anyways ... discrediting Natalee Holloway is just a smokescreen .... a smokescreen to abscure the fact that she left Carlos N' Charlies' with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... was never seen again.

Janet

Joran Van der Sloot
Primetime Live ABC - Chris Cuomo
February 23, 2006

VAN DER SLOOT: This has been a lot for me and my family and for Aruba. And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.
 
CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?
 
VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:


I wonder if his book will make it to English and if he'd have book signings in the US?
THat would be the PERFECT place to picket! :twisted:

I can think of something else besides picket. :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 10:15:50 PM
i think its SLASH  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
San
There isn't enought money in the world that would get me there either!
I can't imagine spending a vacation somewhere where I'd have to keep looking over my shoulder!
AND...especially knowing that the police wouldn't do a damn thing if something happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't organize some of the crime that takes place there. just my opinion, but it sure has proven itself to be a very corrupt place and nothing would surprise me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 10:16:36 PM
JORAN = NARCISSUS

they are the same  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i think its SLASH  8)


Yup you're right Guns 'N Roses  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:


I wonder if his book will make it to English and if he'd have book signings in the US?
THat would be the PERFECT place to picket! :twisted:

I can think of something else besides picket. :twisted:


 :lol:  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 19, 2007, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
i think its SLASH  8)


Yup you're right Guns 'N Roses  :wink:


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:20:07 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:
Yea, wonder how much work Joran REALLY did in school. I would like to know why we {The united states} funds that International school in Aruba...you all know that the ISA= an American school


I don't know... but I know the type of school it is.  My kids went to an American School when we lived abroad.  They are very, very good schools placed in foreign countries, where the education is generally poor, for expats and the wealthy.    In our case it was in Mexico where the average person has a third-grade education.  The American School Foundation was in many ways, better than any public school that my kids attended in the states.  I always felt a little guilty in Mexico, that there was such a vast difference between the education that the wealthy were able to attain, compared to that of the common people.  Their schools were always suffering problems and many didn't even have running water, much less decent education materials.

I can't speak for the schools in Aruba, but I have a feeling that it is mostly the Dutch that are given good educations...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: "robots"
JORAN = NARCISSUS

they are the same  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
San
There isn't enought money in the world that would get me there either!
I can't imagine spending a vacation somewhere where I'd have to keep looking over my shoulder!
AND...especially knowing that the police wouldn't do a damn thing if something happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't organize some of the crime that takes place there. just my opinion, but it sure has proven itself to be a very corrupt place and nothing would surprise me.


Artcolley ... you are not alone.  A very interesting read in Michelle's blog.

Janet


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/04/proof-of-arubas-fearmassive.html

PROOF OF ARUBA'S FEAR...MASSIVE AVAILABILITY
April 19, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "San"

That's when Beth Twitty will write her book and I'm sure she isn't going to sugar coat anything either :wink: .



I would LOVE for Beth to write a book.
So would I, and I hope she does.


So would I and she's got the skills to do it.

I know we rant on Joran alot, but I would imagine that his book is
much like the plays Cho wrote... rantings written in the style of a
fifth grader, nothing more, nothing less.... and actually that is giving
them both more credit than they deserve.

 :roll:
Yea, wonder how much work Joran REALLY did in school. I would like to know why we {The united states} funds that International school in Aruba...you all know that the ISA= an American school


I don't know... but I know the type of school it is.  My kids went to an American School when we lived abroad.  They are very, very good schools placed in foreign countries, where the education is generally poor, for expats and the wealthy.    In our case it was in Mexico where the average person has a third-grade education.  The American School Foundation was in many ways, better than any public school that my kids attended in the states.  I always felt a little guilty in Mexico, that there was such a vast difference between the education that the wealthy were able to attain, compared to that of the common people.  Their schools were always suffering problems and many didn't even have running water, much less decent education materials.

I can't speak for the schools in Aruba, but I have a feeling that it is mostly the Dutch that are given good educations...


I don't mind an American School for our kids, but I believe these countries should take their own money and provide an education for their own people.
We supply things like schools, etc, while they are immersed in keeping all their own monies for their corrupt government officials and/or their "social programs"...which generally suck and are inadequate.
Really frosts my potatoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
San
There isn't enought money in the world that would get me there either!
I can't imagine spending a vacation somewhere where I'd have to keep looking over my shoulder!
AND...especially knowing that the police wouldn't do a damn thing if something happened. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't organize some of the crime that takes place there. just my opinion, but it sure has proven itself to be a very corrupt place and nothing would surprise me.


Artcolley ... you are not alone.  A very interesting read in Michelle's blog.

Janet


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/04/proof-of-arubas-fearmassive.html

PROOF OF ARUBA'S FEAR...MASSIVE AVAILABILITY
April 19, 2007


OH, I' ll have to read there. I haven't been there in a very long time! I enjoy that blog!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 19, 2007, 10:25:42 PM
Good idea,San.I will not buy juran's book,ever.I would Buy Bet's book.I like all the new Avi's.You all look GREAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 19, 2007, 10:26:27 PM
Mr Posner might scare some of them,IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 10:27:52 PM
I'm baaaack!
I'll be in the avatar thread doing my thing............
if anyone wants one, leave a post and Klaas or I will fix you up!

Tibro? You're going to celebrate with us, aren't you? Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:

Patti; I had one for you but didn't like it, so I asked Klaas to delete it. I'll find something else.

I thought there was LOADS of time, but msmarple has a calendar and apparently there are Patriotic Holidays before the fourth!  :shock:

Soooooo, if you don't like what I come up with, don't hesitate to say so! The outfit's going to be around for quite a while!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


.... not at all.  Joran has lied over and over and over and over again in regards to the two short hours he claims he spent in Natalee's company after leaving Carlos N' Charles.  Anyways ... discrediting Natalee Holloway is just a smokescreen .... a smokescreen to abscure the fact that she left Carlos N' Charlies' with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... was never seen again.

Janet

Joran Van der Sloot
Primetime Live ABC - Chris Cuomo
February 23, 2006

VAN DER SLOOT: This has been a lot for me and my family and for Aruba. And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.
 
CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?
 
VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.
Hi Janet, I know whatever he puts in the book about her will be BS, and I do not buy a word he has to say. I guess what bothers me is that some people.....like RU and FOB etc., will feast on anything negative he says about Natalee, and they consider his word gospel. I know, I need to NOT let the morans get to me. I know, but its hard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


.... not at all.  Joran has lied over and over and over and over again in regards to the two short hours he claims he spent in Natalee's company after leaving Carlos N' Charles.  Anyways ... discrediting Natalee Holloway is just a smokescreen .... a smokescreen to abscure the fact that she left Carlos N' Charlies' with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... was never seen again.

Janet

Joran Van der Sloot
Primetime Live ABC - Chris Cuomo
February 23, 2006

VAN DER SLOOT: This has been a lot for me and my family and for Aruba. And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.
 
CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?
 
VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.
Hi Janet, I know whatever he puts in the book about her will be BS, and I do not buy a word he has to say. I guess what bothers me is that some people.....like RU and FOB etc., will feast on anything negative he says about Natalee, and they consider his word gospel. I know, I need to NOT let the morans get to me. I know, but its hard.
ooops morons


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:30:16 PM
Art Cooley:

I agree... but I'm not sure that these schools are funded by us.  They
are private schools and are very, very expensive.  I believe that they
may be affiliated with some school in America, in that their diplomas
are issued and recognized in America, but, to the best of my knowledge,
they are privately funded.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm baaaack!
I'll be in the avatar thread doing my thing............
if anyone wants one, leave a post and Klaas or I will fix you up!

Tibro? You're going to celebrate with us, aren't you? Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:

Patti; I had one for you but didn't like it, so I asked Klaas to delete it. I'll find something else.

I thought there was LOADS of time, but msmarple has a calendar and apparently there are Patriotic Holidays before the fourth!  :shock:

Soooooo, if you don't like what I come up with, don't hesitate to say so! The outfit's going to be around for quite a while!  :wink:

I thought they were for the 4th until msmarples told me about Memorial and Flag Day. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm baaaack!
I'll be in the avatar thread doing my thing............
if anyone wants one, leave a post and Klaas or I will fix you up!

Tibro? You're going to celebrate with us, aren't you? Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:

Patti; I had one for you but didn't like it, so I asked Klaas to delete it. I'll find something else.

I thought there was LOADS of time, but msmarple has a calendar and apparently there are Patriotic Holidays before the fourth!  :shock:

Soooooo, if you don't like what I come up with, don't hesitate to say so! The outfit's going to be around for quite a while!  :wink:


How are you feeling, CBB???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Art Cooley:

I agree... but I'm not sure that these schools are funded by us.  They
are private schools and are very, very expensive.  I believe that they
may be affiliated with some school in America, in that their diplomas
are issued and recognized in America, but, to the best of my knowledge,
they are privately funded.


Correct, those who atttend must pay a rather steep tuition.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Good idea,San.I will not buy juran's book,ever.I would Buy Bet's book.I like all the new Avi's.You all look GREAT
Tiger, I do beleive I saw one over there for you too :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 19, 2007, 10:32:44 PM
Goodnight Everyone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Art Cooley:

I agree... but I'm not sure that these schools are funded by us.  They
are private schools and are very, very expensive.  I believe that they
may be affiliated with some school in America, in that their diplomas
are issued and recognized in America, but, to the best of my knowledge,
they are privately funded.


I sure hope so! THat would make me feel a lot better! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 10:33:02 PM
San: Uh-Huh, so did I!  :shock:

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Goodnight Everyone
Goodnight San!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: "San"
Goodnight Everyone



NITE SAN!!!
 Sleep tight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm baaaack!
I'll be in the avatar thread doing my thing............
if anyone wants one, leave a post and Klaas or I will fix you up!

Tibro? You're going to celebrate with us, aren't you? Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:

Patti; I had one for you but didn't like it, so I asked Klaas to delete it. I'll find something else.

I thought there was LOADS of time, but msmarple has a calendar and apparently there are Patriotic Holidays before the fourth!  :shock:

Soooooo, if you don't like what I come up with, don't hesitate to say so! The outfit's going to be around for quite a while!  :wink:


I was dressing for memorial Day...is it to soon? I couldn't wait to wear that hat!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:34:45 PM
CBB:

No problem... you are doing such a beautiful job,
I'm just admiring your work.  

Everyone looks cool!!!   8)

Oh, by the way... if you have anything that you particularly like
you don't have to use my avitar... I'm open to any new ideas
you might have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 10:35:15 PM
CBB.

Not to mention Mother's Day and Father's Day!

 :D  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 10:35:20 PM
Nite San.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:38:11 PM
San:   :smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 19, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
Time for me to hit the hay, too!
Nite all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 10:44:10 PM
Art:
Thanks for asking, hon! I'm feeling better enough to be grumpy about not being able to wear my shoes, and I'm beginning to add feeling frumpy over taking care of John!  :lol:  :lol:

Been too long since I've had to worry about 3 meals a day, carrying everything, shopping for everything, etc, etc, etc,. He's getting a real kick out of it, because he knows me so well! I told him that he's either going to have to put out or get real creative to come up with SOMETHING to spice things up around here, 'cause I'm beginning to feel like a maid/mother.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: It's a long way from Salsa lessons to bedridden!  :roll:

It's all in good fun, Art. We laugh about it, and we're both doing a lot better. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Patti"
Art Cooley:

I agree... but I'm not sure that these schools are funded by us.  They
are private schools and are very, very expensive.  I believe that they
may be affiliated with some school in America, in that their diplomas
are issued and recognized in America, but, to the best of my knowledge,
they are privately funded.


Correct, those who atttend must pay a rather steep tuition.


Exactly... that's why I'm curious how Paulus can afford to keep his kids
in school there...   especially on his salary.  But I think we both know
that he lives beyond his means and have a strong suspicion how.

The last I heard, I think you have to pay like $25,000 to enroll your
family as a memeber and then pay approximately $15,000 a year in
tuition per year, per child.  There are other charges as well.

It's been a while but I think those figures are accurate.  I think the
tuition is paid by semester, $5,000 each.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:48:20 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Art:
Thanks for asking, hon! I'm feeling better enough to be grumpy about not being able to wear my shoes, and I'm beginning to add feeling frumpy over taking care of John!  :lol:  :lol:

Been too long since I've had to worry about 3 meals a day, carrying everything, shopping for everything, etc, etc, etc,. He's getting a real kick out of it, because he knows me so well! I told him that he's either going to have to put out or get real creative to come up with SOMETHING to spice things up around here, 'cause I'm beginning to feel like a maid/mother.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: It's a long way from Salsa lessons to bedridden!  :roll:

It's all in good fun, Art. We laugh about it, and we're both doing a lot better. :wink:
CBB, I am glad you are both getting better ! Thanks for making us all look so purty !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
CBB.

Not to mention Mother's Day and Father's Day!

 :D  :D  :D

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

And I grabbed a goodie for you Anna!  :lol:

UH-HUM: I can't speak for Klaas, but I'm currently doing red, white and blue avatars. I'm down until Halloween after that!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 10:50:36 PM
And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.

CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.

LOL..The other side is more lies..--I lied and thats the tuth..
(http://[url=http://imageshack.us][img=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif][/url])

(http://[URL=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif)[/URL][/img]

(http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jorandanceep3.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: "*******"
And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.

CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.

LOL..The other side is more lies..--I lied and thats the tuth..
(http://[url=http://imageshack.us][img=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif][/url])

(http://[URL=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif)[/URL][/img]

(http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jorandanceep3.gif)


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Hey, *******... you're lookin' spiffy!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Art:
Thanks for asking, hon! I'm feeling better enough to be grumpy about not being able to wear my shoes, and I'm beginning to add feeling frumpy over taking care of John!  :lol:  :lol:

Been too long since I've had to worry about 3 meals a day, carrying everything, shopping for everything, etc, etc, etc,. He's getting a real kick out of it, because he knows me so well! I told him that he's either going to have to put out or get real creative to come up with SOMETHING to spice things up around here, 'cause I'm beginning to feel like a maid/mother.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: It's a long way from Salsa lessons to bedridden!  :roll:

It's all in good fun, Art. We laugh about it, and we're both doing a lot better. :wink:
CBB, I am glad you are both getting better ! Thanks for making us all look so purty !!

You, and everyone, are most welcome. Elaine, I'd get protective of that outfit if I were you! Elton just might borrow the whole outfit!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.

CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.

LOL..The other side is more lies..--I lied and thats the tuth..
(http://[url=http://imageshack.us][img=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif][/url])

(http://[URL=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif)[/URL][/img]

(http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jorandanceep3.gif)
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "*******"
And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.

CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.

LOL..The other side is more lies..--I lied and thats the tuth..
(http://[url=http://imageshack.us][img=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif][/url])

(http://[URL=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1192/jorandanceep3.gif)[/URL][/img]

(http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jorandanceep3.gif)
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Hey, Elaine....

I think that may be Joran "dancing" around the truth!!!!!

You look GREAT!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: casa on April 19, 2007, 10:57:26 PM
Hey, CBB!  I should be all dressed up for all the patriotic holidays!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 10:57:41 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2808/nataleeposterno1.th.jpg) (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nataleeposterno1.jpg)

Looks like Mamama did a deicent job on this..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 10:58:27 PM
They really do look better as a team, lol  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GuidoSkip.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranDance.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
You, and everyone, are most welcome. Elaine, I'd get protective of that outfit if I were you! Elton just might borrow the whole outfit!  :shock:
I like his music and all, but the outfit is mine!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2007, 11:00:41 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Is anyone else here leary of the kinds of "things" Joran is going to say about Natalee in his book.


.... not at all.  Joran has lied over and over and over and over again in regards to the two short hours he claims he spent in Natalee's company after leaving Carlos N' Charles.  Anyways ... discrediting Natalee Holloway is just a smokescreen .... a smokescreen to abscure the fact that she left Carlos N' Charlies' with Joran, Deepak and Satish and ... was never seen again.

Janet

Joran Van der Sloot
Primetime Live ABC - Chris Cuomo
February 23, 2006

VAN DER SLOOT: This has been a lot for me and my family and for Aruba. And I think it’s about time that people get to see the other side of the story.
 
CUOMO: Why should you be believed after all the lying that you’ve done in this situation?

VAN DER SLOOT: There’s absolutely no reason to believe me.
CUOMO: Would you believe you?
 
VAN DER SLOOT: I would probably not believe myself.
Hi Janet, I know whatever he puts in the book about her will be BS, and I do not buy a word he has to say. I guess what bothers me is that some people.....like RU and FOB etc., will feast on anything negative he says about Natalee, and they consider his word gospel. I know, I need to NOT let the morans get to me. I know, but its hard.


Elaine ... Beth Twitty's tends to believe it is a good thing each time Joran Van der Sloot speaks publicly ... each account contradicts the previous.  The following words of Beth is her response to Joran's interview with Cris Cuomo on ABC Primetime.

Good Night Elaine .... Good Night Monkeys!

9:00 PM PDST

Janet


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 23, 2006

TWITTY: ... I`m just glad that he is coming out and speaking on camera because I heard a clip that you -- a sound bite earlier, and he does -- when he tells one lie, more evolve. And it just is mind-boggling how we are all just witnessing this from Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
They really do look better as a team, lol  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GuidoSkip.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranDance.gif)
LMAO! Look Patti....two for a quarter!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 11:02:23 PM
Hi Casa!

You look cute, with that tail flippin' around...  C.B.B. did a great
job on you, too...

I'm going to get something to eat... again and call it a night.

.

Klaas:

Thanks for all you do.


Nite All... Hug Nemo!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: casa on April 19, 2007, 11:03:28 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Hi Casa!

You look cute, with that tail flippin' around...  C.B.B. did a great
job on you, too...

I'm going to get something to eat... again and call it a night.

.

Klaas:

Thanks for all you do.


Nite All... Hug Nemo!


Thanks, Patti!  Sleep Sweet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
They really do look better as a team, lol  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GuidoSkip.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranDance.gif)
LMAO! Look Patti....two for a quarter!


OHHHHHH MY!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 11:04:22 PM
Nite Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:04:49 PM
Yup, casa! You're just like the boy scout! PREPARED!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:04:59 PM
.
Just teasing you CBB!

I don't think Mother or Father's Day are occassions for costumes at all.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 19, 2007, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nite Patti


Nite, Sweetie...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:06:12 PM
Klaas............you're killing me with the two-step!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:07:01 PM
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
They really do look better as a team, lol  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GuidoSkip.gif)(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranDance.gif)
LMAO! Look Patti....two for a quarter!


OHHHHHH MY!!!


I hope they are dancing to a different drummer and playing a different tune soon due to the increased number on the new investigative team.

Bad analogies happen late at night!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Just teasing you CBB!

I don't think Mother or Father's Day are occassions for costumes at all.

 :D


I just quoted you Anna, so I could put that in bold.  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:

Good question.  He's been pretty quiet for a couple days now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 19, 2007, 11:10:27 PM
BOC on a sweep! Keep those peels off the floor! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:11:32 PM
Hiya, BOC!
Did you get hail today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, CBB!  I should be all dressed up for all the patriotic holidays!


HeyCasa - you are going to be very tired by July :lol:  :lol:
That is a cute avatar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 19, 2007, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hiya, BOC!
Did you get hail today?


No hail only a sprinkle.

Thanks for the help on the travel board! I think they checked out Scaredmonkeys decided they did not want any of that! :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:14:29 PM
BTW, Klaas: You're looking as spiffy as ever I've seen you, girl! ( Except for maybe the 2 posts where you were in a kissing booth )!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:


Hi ******* - Carpe pounced on that photo of Anita doing to high kick last night  :lol:
Now I am waiting to see what he does with it.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:16:41 PM
Hellooo Anna :)

I was doin a little research today at RWV in Aug/05...Remember that story about francisco the dude that is in a mental hospital??Said he buried natalee....Anyway came across some of your old posts.. 8)  Everyone you mentioned the other day was posting away in aug/05

http://refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_38.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:16:59 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hiya, BOC!
Did you get hail today?


No hail only a sprinkle.

Thanks for the help on the travel board! I think they checked out Scaredmonkeys decided they did not want any of that! :wink:  :wink:


Ya' think?  :lol:
Hey I was proud to stand with you!  :wink:

TIBRO: you're going to celebrate with us aren't you? Sooo, you want a patriotic avatar?  Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
BTW, Klaas: You're looking as spiffy as ever I've seen you, girl! ( Except for maybe the 2 posts where you were in a kissing booth )!


 :lol:  :lol:

I've been so busy trying to figure out a program for "real" work.  I had to take a break and spiffy myself up, LOL.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:

Good question.  He's been pretty quiet for a couple days now.


He must be burnt out..He has absolutely grilled those sloots lately.. :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:


Hi ******* - Carpe pounced on that photo of Anita doing to high kick last night  :lol:
Now I am waiting to see what he does with it.  :lol:  :lol:


Where's Lala's? I got away with a post she would have written me up for today, about that karate kick. (hehehe)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 19, 2007, 11:20:06 PM
Goodnight Monkeys! Keep the faith.....Tibro, I am glad to see you back here. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: casa on April 19, 2007, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, CBB!  I should be all dressed up for all the patriotic holidays!


HeyCasa - you are going to be very tired by July :lol:  :lol:
That is a cute avatar.


Ha Ha yep I will be tired.  Might even fall off my ball!  I'll have to rest from time to time!  With that said I am off to bed!  Have to teach poetry to Juniors in high school tomorrow so I think I need all the strength I can get.  Night all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:21:03 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:


Hi ******* - Carpe pounced on that photo of Anita doing to high kick last night  :lol:
Now I am waiting to see what he does with it.  :lol:  :lol:


Where's Lala's? I got away with a post she would have written me up for today, about that karate kick. (hehehe)


Ahh does Klaas keep a close eye on posts back here?? Doesnt seem like she has too many people to worry about..Seems like everyone here is on the same page.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
BTW, Klaas: You're looking as spiffy as ever I've seen you, girl! ( Except for maybe the 2 posts where you were in a kissing booth )!


 :lol:  :lol:

I've been so busy trying to figure out a program for "real" work.  I had to take a break and spiffy myself up, LOL.  :lol:


I've been procrastinating at "real work" for a couple of days. I've got to get back on track. The makeover becomes you!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 11:22:37 PM
Nite Elaine.

Hiya BOC . How is the travel biz to Aruba lately from your take on things?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 19, 2007, 11:23:24 PM
Good nite Monks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:24:45 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hiya, BOC!
Did you get hail today?


No hail only a sprinkle.

Thanks for the help on the travel board! I think they checked out Scaredmonkeys decided they did not want any of that! :wink:  :wink:


Ya' think?  :lol:
Hey I was proud to stand with you!  :wink:

TIBRO: you're going to celebrate with us aren't you? Sooo, you want a patriotic avatar?  Wouldn't be the same without you!  :wink:


cbb I will wave an Aussie flag for you closer to July.  We have our Anzac Day coming up which is a big occasion here so will check with you after that.   I love all the ones you and Klaas have done so far.  Can we vote for our favourite?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2007, 11:25:42 PM
******* - there aren't alot of problems, just occasional ones.  I do keep an eye on things but since I'm not easily offended posts rarely get deleted or edited.  Almost never.

Shower time, be back in a bit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 19, 2007, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Nite Elaine.

Hiya BOC . How is the travel biz to Aruba lately from your take on things?


We have not  booked Aruba in years! I met with ATA and told them we had no plans to sell Aruba untill there was some kind of closure!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "*******"
Where has that carpe been? He was on a major tear the last month or soo..He is on those sloots like no one else :twisted:


Hi ******* - Carpe pounced on that photo of Anita doing to high kick last night  :lol:
Now I am waiting to see what he does with it.  :lol:  :lol:


Where's Lala's? I got away with a post she would have written me up for today, about that karate kick. (hehehe)


Ahh does Klaas keep a close eye on posts back here?? Doesnt seem like she has too many people to worry about..Seems like everyone here is on the same page.. :D


Oh, they are, *******. Klaas is on the same page, too. BUT she keeps an eye on the edges of the page and if somebody gets too close, she'll push them over.  :lol: ( I know 'cause I've fallen before  :lol: )
She'll offer you a hand to get back up though.  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 11:27:43 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Nite Elaine.

Hiya BOC . How is the travel biz to Aruba lately from your take on things?


We have not  booked Aruba in years! I met with ATA and told them we had no plans to sell Aruba untill there was some kind of closure!


Wow, I was wondering if anything had changed. Good to hear. TX for the update.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Goodnight Monkeys! Keep the faith.....Tibro, I am glad to see you back here. :)


Goodnight Elaine.  Great to be back in the cage again.  Thank you and the monkeys for all you have done.  Very much appreciated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:30:29 PM
Great Tibro! I'll be happy to make anything you'd like for an Aussie celebration! I won't make you a fourth one then, and you let me know if there is anything I can do, k?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 19, 2007, 11:31:41 PM
I'm off to empty the dishwasher, and then check out the avatar thread. Nite monkeys!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Great Tibro! I'll be happy to make anything you'd like for an Aussie celebration! I won't make you a fourth one then, and you let me know if there is anything I can do, k?  :wink:


No worries, cbb.  We will work something out by then.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 19, 2007, 11:40:27 PM
Hope to see you in the cage tomorrow CBB, I'm going to call it a night too. Goodnight everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:40:46 PM
(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/ARUBAsameasitEVERWAS.jpg)

How much gilders do you have?? :twisted:

LOL!Never mind me folks just tryin out the Cage 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 19, 2007, 11:46:58 PM
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!!!

Please warn us next time, *******.  That is just too many scary looking dudes all at the one time!!!! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: *******
Hellooo Anna :)

I was doin a little research today at RWV in Aug/05...Remember that story about francisco the dude that is in a mental hospital??Said he buried natalee....Anyway came across some of your old posts.. 8)  Everyone you mentioned the other day was posting away in aug/05

Trip down Memory Lane now, huh *******?  Dan has some of the best researchers and posters and he really blew it big time arguing with them and banning them.

I especially hated to lose Professor and Selena as I don't think either of them ever posted again and they contributed so much.  But one had to be a real nite owl to catch the disappearing stuff!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:52:07 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!!!

Please warn us next time, *******.  That is just too many scary looking dudes all at the one time!!!! :lol:  :lol:


LOL..Sorry..Makes me wonder how many victims there were before Natalee.. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 19, 2007, 11:52:36 PM
Hi Anna - Don't think our paths have crossed lately here! Cute outfit, but my dear, YELLOW is definitely your color!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:54:05 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Nite Elaine.

Hiya BOC . How is the travel biz to Aruba lately from your take on things?


We have not  booked Aruba in years! I met with ATA and told them we had no plans to sell Aruba untill there was some kind of closure!



 :shock: Would like to have seen the look on their faces!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:55:21 PM
*******,
Those must be the finalists in the Aruban Male Modeling Contest!

. :?  :roll:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 19, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi Anna - Don't think our paths have crossed lately here! Cute outfit, but my dear, YELLOW is definitely your color!



Hi MsMarple!

Thanks, must look for or make more yellow outfits.  Robots says it is his fav color and van Gogh said something like it was a color even God would love or something like that.  I forget exactly what that quote is.

I wish Sandy would come along and translate a few of those articles you have posted in M&C especially about the fight!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 19, 2007, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: Anna
Quote from: "*******"
Hellooo Anna :)

I was doin a little research today at RWV in Aug/05...Remember that story about francisco the dude that is in a mental hospital??Said he buried natalee....Anyway came across some of your old posts.. 8)  Everyone you mentioned the other day was posting away in aug/05

Trip down Memory Lane now, huh *******?  Dan has some of the best researchers and posters and he really blew it big time arguing with them and banning them.

I especially hated to lose Professor and Selena as I don't think either of them ever posted again and they contributed so much.  But one had to be a real nite owl to catch the disappearing stuff!   :D


Yup your right late night at RWV was the best..Thats when Dan would post and then erase after we saw what he posted..lol..Aug/05 Soo much was happening..Had Carlos,Junior,The guy that got locked up in a mental istitute all coming forward saying they were witnesses..

I thought this post was very interesting..

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_92.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:00:18 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,
Those must be the finalists in the Aruban Male Modeling Contest!

. :?  :roll:  8)


Scary bunch for sure..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
About Joran's book:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/thprod_347_15900.gif)

He should be writing

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/thprod_314_8905.gif)


Isn't it strange that everywhere there were

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/thi67598401_83296.gif)

and yet no vids of anything that happened that night.  I find that very strange.  Almost as though someone in a security company erased all the tapes or something.

Now who would do such a thing?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:07:04 AM
Yes, it's a shame Dan removed so many posts, too.  He did a lot of mine after he banned me.  Same for Professor and ProudRedNeck and others he got mad at.

But there is still a lot of info there and especially early on.  We had lots from Aruba posting at first.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:15:20 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Yes, it's a shame Dan removed so many posts, too.  He did a lot of mine after he banned me.  Same for Professor and ProudRedNeck and others he got mad at.

But there is still a lot of info there and especially early on.  We had lots from Aruba posting at first.

.


Yup when you googled NH you ran right into RWV. Sad because thats the last of the info that we really heard about this case. We havent really learned anything about what happened to Natalee since then. We heard a good year of lies and mis-information and since then silence.

BTW:I beleave that deepak story..No reason I shouldnt since dan layed into me for questioning him. Sounds like Natalee needed help walking after dipshit went back into the bar and escorted her out..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:16:50 AM
*******,

I got into a bit of an argument with Dan about that in emails.  I didn't believe him at first.  I do think he was really in touch with a MB kid who said he saw every bit of that now, however.  And he claimed to be at the time.  Very detailed information and I think that is the thing about which he posted he had a $900 phone bill.

He discounted my sources so I discounted him right back.  But looking back now, I wonder if this is true and someone did see Deepak escorting Natalee out bu the arm as Dan has always claimed.  Very interesting and why would Deepak be doing that?  Obviously Natalee was drugged at that point and maybe they feared somebody noticing and they would get in trouble.

Or was Deepak REALLY interested in Joran's conquest of the night for some reason of his own.

It is interesting and I would like to know if verified elsewhere like the FBI or someone in a position of authority.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:22:41 AM
I always thought that Joran, being devious as opposed to intelligent, had thought about all this from twenty times before and had all manner of Plan B's in his mellon head.

I very well think he may have sent Deepak back to get Natalee so that Deepak would be the last one officially seen with her or at least Joran was hoping that this story would be told and Deepak made out to be the culprit in anything that happened after that.

I don't think Joran is smart enough to think up these things right on the spot but do think he had criminal law as a hobby and thought of them over a long period of time.  Also as a result of his having done this so many times before.

He had thought of every possible contingency and a devious way around it.  Perhaps he told Deepak he couldn't get her to the car and Deepak went to give it a try himself.

Makes you wonder just why Deepak was so interested and helpful like that.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:24:58 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

I got into a bit of an argument with Dan about that in emails.  I didn't believe him at first.  I do think he was really in touch with a MB kid who said he saw every bit of that now, however.  And he claimed to be at the time.  Very detailed information and I think that is the thing about which he posted he had a $900 phone bill.

He discounted my sources so I discounted him right back.  But looking back now, I wonder if this is true and someone did see Deepak escorting Natalee out bu the arm as Dan has always claimed.  Very interesting and why would Deepak be doing that?  Obviously Natalee was drugged at that point and maybe they feared somebody noticing and they would get in trouble.

Or was Deepak REALLY interested in Joran's conquest of the night for some reason of his own.

It is interesting and I would like to know if verified elsewhere like the FBI or someone in a position of authority.

.


Dave in a recent chat hinted that it may be true..Sounds to me like NH was disoriented and went back in the bar as the drugs took affect. Deepak swopped in 10 minutes later and she was almost mush by then. Easy pickens.. 20 minutes later after that she was prolly out cold..

I always thought it was joran's conquest..But since then I think this was a pimp event.Well these were bold kids..They could do just about anything and get away with it..They drugged a few girls before NH and they knew they could just say she was drunk or whatever..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:28:25 AM
Yes, I fear you are right that it was a Pimp Event.  And I also think the Pimps had enough of the "elders" to guarantee they would never be prosecuted no matter what they did.

Seems to be working really well for them so far, too.  All you need are some adults as evil as these kids and then anything goes.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:31:05 AM
Some today were asking what people might fear.  One thing that comes to my mind is being the victim of a "suicide by hanging" which seems to happen an abnormal amount in Aruba.

Remember the father of Lorenzo (whom I happen to think has nothing to do with this and is not Joran's half brother or connected in any way) died by alleged suicide by hanging so perhaps there is a connection to some of these oddities.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:32:27 AM
Yeh I think it was a group effort..Deepak was interested cause it was a pimp conquest..They were gonna video tape this one to show just how great they are..Freddy,Sander,Koen and GVC were probably in the white car and guido showed up later.They showed up right before closing time on NH'S last night..Joran spiked her drink as Natalee would of never let deepak get that close..Satish was just along for the fun..When she went back into the bar it was deepak's turn to do his part..And yeh..LOL..Joran prolly said dude she's out of it she walked back in like a zombie..Give it 10 minutes and go get her..

Notice how Joran never mentioned this or stopping at another bar..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:33:41 AM
Well, I think we have emptied the cage.  Not much of a mess for Tibro today, thank Goodness!

Heading off to the Monkey Bunkey!

Goodnight ******* and any others still here!


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Troops/thsemperfi.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:36:37 AM
I agree..Lots of Intimidation on that island.. For some reason I think those Kalpoe brothers got alot of it..As we saw hints of it in that police van..

I see Bon Dia has a big article about pitbull today..Wish I could read it :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2007, 12:37:19 AM
Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 12:37:30 AM
Nighty Night.. Make sure you kiss each and every puppy a good night. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:40:30 AM
Just this minute on the Jerry Doyle Show on the Patriot Station on internet broadcasting he said the Natalee Holloway story was a perfect example of how the family was drug out and exposed in an abusive manner and no one things of what they are going through, etc.

 :shock:

Yes, this has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and putting a family through it!  It is working its way even into the language and Aruba is going to become the Icon for abusing the family of a victim.

He was speaking in outrage of the tapes of that Cho being shown and how callous this was for the families of the victim and it causes copycats, etc.  and he just now used the Natalee Holloway story as an example of the media abusing families along with those responsible for the crime.

This has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and a horrible abuse of a family.  I hope Aruba realizes this.  They are now a part of the English language for abusing victims and their families!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2007, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Just this minute on the Jerry Doyle Show on the Patriot Station on internet broadcasting he said the Natalee Holloway story was a perfect example of how the family was drug out and exposed in an abusive manner and no one things of what they are going through, etc.

 :shock:

Yes, this has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and putting a family through it!  It is working its way even into the language and Aruba is going to become the Icon for abusing the family of a victim.

He was speaking in outrage of the tapes of that Cho being shown and how callous this was for the families of the victim and it causes copycats, etc.  and he just now used the Natalee Holloway story as an example of the media abusing families along with those responsible for the crime.

This has become a standard for miscarriage of justice and a horrible abuse of a family.  I hope Aruba realizes this.  They are now a part of the English language for abusing victims and their families!

.


That's great...  it's good to see that Aruba is still on the minds of people in
the media.  I agree with the things he said and some of the coverage of
Cho has been highly offensive.  It's like they want to give us an excuse
for his actions and IMO there is no excuse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 12:48:21 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...

Acutally that was a good idea - it's done.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 12:48:28 AM
I also heard on talk radio within the last week it used again by either Dr Laura Schlessinger or Laura Ingraham forgot which one as an example of how to rally people behind a cause.

Yes, Aruba now has a new meaning in the language.  It now means abuse of a victim and her family instead of just some tiny island.  That is twice in a week in relation to totally unrelated things, just as a routine part of the language.  Refer to Aruba and it means corrupt law enforcement and abuse of victims.

So they have a new status in the vernacular!   :evil:

OK, really off to the Monkey Bunkey this time!  

Observe, OK, will give each pup a kiss and a hug but that will take a while there are so many, most I have ever had at one time.  What a time for a dog food recall!

Good night, all.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2007, 12:52:31 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

I couldn't sleep and I'm glad you're here.

Do you think it's possible to delete the argumentive posts that
are on the photo evaluation thread?    I think that it gives the
wrong impression and casts a bad shadow on the work that is
being conducted by Carpe.  I hope you don't mind my asking
but, I think it would be best... don't you.

Carpe and I have had disagreements before and we know
one another well enough to know that we can disagree without
it becoming a big issue... however, others may not see it that
way.

Thanks...

Acutally that was a good idea - it's done.


Klaas:

Thanks so much!!!

.

Carpe:

You know I appreciate everything you do.  


Good Night   :smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 12:52:54 AM
Nite Anna and Patti


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 12:54:10 AM
I'm calling it a night as well.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 05:51:03 AM
Quote from: "sb"
You know, one would think at SOME point that Deepak and/or Satish would have taken the money and RUN... nab themselves a fat book or interview contract, and get out of Dodge posthaste.

They haven't.

Wonder what they are scared of...


Not being Dutch?  How about not even being Aruban citizens?  If Deepak can't even wrangle a work permit, perhaps he is more worried about deportation?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Leslie on April 20, 2007, 05:58:39 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 06:02:58 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,
Those must be the finalists in the Aruban Male Modeling Contest!

. :?  :roll:  8)


I've seen better looking men on the wall at the Post Office.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 06:11:38 AM
I see I am now in the wrong outfit, cute as it might be.

Way to go, BOC.  You're in a good position as an agency owner to educate ASTA and IATA as to why your travel agents are NOT selling Aruba.  After 17 years in the industry, one should never underestimate the power of the travel agent.  Many have lifelong customers who count on the agency to guide them regarding a vacation.  I am proud to see that your agents have stopped selling Aruba.   The island does not deserve a friggin dime of American money.

Good morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on April 20, 2007, 06:14:17 AM
lol Peaches.. I've been wanting to tell you how proud I am of you. I think about you everyday.
Have a great day everyone :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 07:24:37 AM
Quote from: "spooky112483"
lol Peaches.. I've been wanting to tell you how proud I am of you. I think about you everyday.
Have a great day everyone :D


Hi, sweetie!  Long time, no see.  I'm so glad to be done with chemo.  What a pain in the butt.  Nothing like being tired all the time.  I hate that.  I'm not a napper by nature.  I'm more of a "run till ya drop" kinda girl so this year and a half of taking it slow is pissing me off.  I am anxious to start feeling better.  And I'll never stop feeling lucky to have such a great doctor and staff, such supportive neighbors, friends and family, God, and of course, all of you faithful monkeys who've been right here with me.  

Couldn't have done it without you.  I love you all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 08:03:51 AM
Thank you, CBB!  I love it.  I look FABULOUS!

Something on the Front Page of Diario with Rudy Croes name all over it along with Holloway and Namdar and Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines.  Wonder what it's about??

I know, it's still early.  And I am trying to stay on topic.  (Like that's gonna work on a slow news day).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 20, 2007, 08:16:07 AM
Hey Peaches... good to see you this a.m.  Your avatar is great.  CBB and klaas do such a good job don't they?

Good Morning all you fine monkeys!  TGIF!

Gonna be a beautiful weekend here.  Sunshine and close to 80... I LOVE IT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 08:23:39 AM
Kimmy, I hope I'm in THAT weather forecast!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 20, 2007, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Kimmy, I hope I'm in THAT weather forecast!


Well, I am in NC, so I would figure your weather would be as good or better....I'm gonna work in my flower garden, get me some sunshine!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
Looks like the Inter American Press Association has sanctioned Odbuer for calling for the boycott of Diario.

I posted the Diario story and the online pap translation here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1045

I hope some of the monkeys wrote (I did), and I hope that's what helped.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Looks like the Inter American Press Association has sanctioned Odbuer for calling for the boycott of Diario.

I posted the Diario story and the online pap translation here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1045

I hope some of the monkeys wrote (I did), and I hope that's what helped.


Thank you.  I don't care how it happened, I'm just glad to see the good guys rack up another one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Looks like the Inter American Press Association has sanctioned Odbuer for calling for the boycott of Diario.

I posted the Diario story and the online pap translation here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1045

I hope some of the monkeys wrote (I did), and I hope that's what helped.


Morning monkeys. Here is what Easy just emailed to me:

"Yes. The Inter-American Press Association sent Nel Oduber a very strong letter about his call for a boycott against the DIARIO. The IAPA in no uncertain terms reprimands the Prime Minister for taking such a stance against the freedom of expression and of the press, and reminds him of the Declaration of Chapultepec that Nel Oduber himself signed, upholding the freedom of the press."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 09:07:58 AM
Michael Saladin was transferred from the hospital to KIA last night ...  :cry:

BT thanks for that - can you post Easy's info on the Boycott Diario thread? It's in the post I did today about the sanction, just above ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Michael Saladin was transferred from the hospital to KIA last night ...  :cry:

BT thanks for that - can you post Easy's info on the Boycott Diario thread? It's in the post I did today about the sanction, just above ...


Okey dokey. It's there now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 09:37:57 AM
Just thought I would share this photo from today's Diario - a rather spectacular crash/photo. Driver lost control of the car, I believe on a curve. The driver was a lady; she was taken to the hospital to check for possible fractures but seemed fine.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/cli2/bolterauto.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 09:42:37 AM
Well - I've finished the morning paper; guess that's it for me for awhile.

Peaches & BT - both of you look great!

Two words:

FRIDAY!
FUBARUBA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:03:39 AM
Did anyone else notice this story on the Yahoo page about Venezuela?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070419/ts_nm/venezuela_zeppelin_dc_1


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Well - I've finished the morning paper; guess that's it for me for awhile.

Peaches & BT - both of you look great!

Two words:

FRIDAY!
FUBARUBA!


Thanks Ms. Marple - that CBB is very talented!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 10:31:22 AM
We are always a well dressed group thanks to CBB!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:36:06 AM
An interesting article from the BBC about Hugo Chavez's anti-Americanism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6572615.stm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 20, 2007, 10:52:11 AM
Happy Friday everyone! I just wanted to post here to show off my lovely new outfit...I feel so festive now and everyone looks their absolute best...

So glad to hear Peaches is past her chemo!! I just posted a thanks for prayers on the prayer thread for my coworker who they removed 16 inches of her colon and found no cancer. They caught it early enough, but said that within the year, it would have been cancer...SOOOO THRILLED to hear her good news that I wanted to share it with all the monkeys...Thanks for the prayers, as He does listen!! Now back to work, but before I go, I want to send you all hugs and kisses!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 20, 2007, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
We are always a well dressed group thanks to CBB!


Special hugs to you Peaches! You are an inspiration to us all...you have shown such courage, strength, a willing spirit, and so much positivity during the last year with your battle to conquer cancer...Your attitude has been terrific, and my star spangled hat is off to you, sweetheart!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 20, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "spooky112483"
lol Peaches.. I've been wanting to tell you how proud I am of you. I think about you everyday.
Have a great day everyone :D


Hi, sweetie!  Long time, no see.  I'm so glad to be done with chemo.  What a pain in the butt.  Nothing like being tired all the time.  I hate that.  I'm not a napper by nature.  I'm more of a "run till ya drop" kinda girl so this year and a half of taking it slow is pissing me off.  I am anxious to start feeling better.  And I'll never stop feeling lucky to have such a great doctor and staff, such supportive neighbors, friends and family, God, and of course, all of you faithful monkeys who've been right here with me.  

Couldn't have done it without you.  I love you all.


Peaches
I am so in awe of you having come through all this and SO glad you are finally finished with the treatments.
I'm sure you'll begin feeling better really soon and then you'll be right back to the same old "run til ya drop" kinda gal you are used to being!!! :lol:

((((hugs)))))


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Happy Friday everyone! I just wanted to post here to show off my lovely new outfit...I feel so festive now and everyone looks their absolute best...

So glad to hear Peaches is past her chemo!! I just posted a thanks for prayers on the prayer thread for my coworker who they removed 16 inches of her colon and found no cancer. They caught it early enough, but said that within the year, it would have been cancer...SOOOO THRILLED to hear her good news that I wanted to share it with all the monkeys...Thanks for the prayers, as He does listen!! Now back to work, but before I go, I want to send you all hugs and kisses!!


God is good all the time!  I am so happy for your friend.  If you are the right age (50) and haven't had a colonoscopy by now, you need to make that call.  It's no biggie.  Several of us can hold your hand through it!  (Well, sort of).  Seriously, I want us to all BE HERE.  You know who you are.  
 
Off my soap box and back to laundry. (Stayed home due to some bone pain and nausea... totally expected at this stage and truly nothing I can't handle).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 20, 2007, 11:30:39 AM
And speaking of Happy Friday, in my sig line you will see a link to a performance on YouTube of four darn funny guys.  Yes, this is a shameless plug for my friends, Fred.  

Anyhow, it's fun and what's fun if not shared?

Geez, I'm getting next to nothing done here......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
Peaches, staying home with bone pain and nausea, and you want to get a lot done.  I say "take a rest and celebrate" the winner that you are and you know you are still my heroine.  

Can I ask an OT question here?

Does anyone here have an over-the-range microwave and if so, do you like yours and what kind is it?  Mine died last night.  I should have replaced it when we remodeled the kitchen but it was just working so well and matched everything :wink:  and I just thought it would be fine forever more.  Alas, it died and  we want to get it replaced to prevent any  problems.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 20, 2007, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Peaches, staying home with bone pain and nausea, and you want to get a lot done.  I say "take a rest and celebrate" the winner that you are and you know you are still my heroine.  

Can I ask an OT question here?

Does anyone here have an over-the-range microwave and if so, do you like yours and what kind is it?  Mine died last night.  I should have replaced it when we remodeled the kitchen but it was just working so well and matched everything :wink:  and I just thought it would be fine forever more.  Alas, it died and  we want to get it replaced to prevent any  problems.


Hi Tyler!
Finally on when you are!!!
How is the pup doing?

(sorry, I don't have an over the range microwave!)
Why is it that the appliances "give up the ghost" at the most inopportune times????  There outta be a law against that!) :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Peaches, staying home with bone pain and nausea, and you want to get a lot done.  I say "take a rest and celebrate" the winner that you are and you know you are still my heroine.  

Can I ask an OT question here?

Does anyone here have an over-the-range microwave and if so, do you like yours and what kind is it?  Mine died last night.  I should have replaced it when we remodeled the kitchen but it was just working so well and matched everything :wink:  and I just thought it would be fine forever more.  Alas, it died and  we want to get it replaced to prevent any  problems.


I have a Whirlpool EZ-Touch over-the-range microwave that works great!  I've had it about 4 years now and never had a problem with it.  

Now..back to working and lurking  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sharon on April 20, 2007, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Peaches, staying home with bone pain and nausea, and you want to get a lot done.  I say "take a rest and celebrate" the winner that you are and you know you are still my heroine.  

Can I ask an OT question here?

Does anyone here have an over-the-range microwave and if so, do you like yours and what kind is it?  Mine died last night.  I should have replaced it when we remodeled the kitchen but it was just working so well and matched everything :wink:  and I just thought it would be fine forever more.  Alas, it died and  we want to get it replaced to prevent any  problems.


I have a Whirlpool EZ-Touch over-the-range microwave that works great!  I've had it about 4 years now and never had a problem with it.  

Now..back to working and lurking  :lol:


I have a Whirlpool over-the-range as well, Tyler.

I bought it in 1996 when I remodeled the kitchen. The Whirlpool matched the new KitchenAid range better than the KitchenAid microwave :lol:

I'm not a huge microwave user -- I only it use to reheat leftovers and make tea. But I've not had any probems in the 11 years (and having said that,  I'm sure it will break tonight  :lol: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 20, 2007, 12:43:05 PM
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 20, 2007, 01:13:59 PM
Tyler,  Although I don't have an over th range microwave, we were considering one not too long ago.  I have only heard good things, but we opted not to get one because we have little ones who will be using it, and I was afraid of them spilling something hot on themselves.... Something to consider if you will have young'ens using it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 01:22:28 PM
Well, it sounds like a Whirlpool works fine.  We are debating between a Bosch, a Whirlpool and a GE, so if there is more satisfaction with Whirlpool (and I can get it in stainless steel), then that is what we will get.

ART COLLEY, our baby is fine.  She got her big girl surgery done Monday and only slowed down for about 24-48 hours.  We are trying to keep her settled down until we know she is well healed, but it is tough.  She likes to rearrange the garden, except she just takes the plants out of the ground and does not put them back in.  Argh, she turned over two huge potted roses yesterday and broke about 40 irises.  I am hoping this surgery will settle her down.  

She loves being outside playing but she is very disciplined to wanting inside when the sun goes down.   Since we are outside so much in the garden, that seems to be the most fun place.  She has a bazillion toys but she can tear them up faster than we can buy them.  She has learned to leave the cat's food alone.  I have no idea why but she likes to pee on my needlepoint rug.  We barred her from going into the room.  The needlepoint is the one with monkeys and roses (two of my favorite things), and it cost as much to clean it as a microwave costs.

Hoping she will settle down soon.

Klaas, have a nice day, and all monkeys.  Hope to have time to visit more once the heavy garden shows, rose tours, etc., are behind us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Looks like the Inter American Press Association has sanctioned Oduber for calling for the boycott of Diario.

I posted the Diario story and the online pap translation here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1045

I hope some of the monkeys wrote (I did), and I hope that's what helped.



Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

Yes, MsMarple, we wrote to them expressing our outrage and so I do think that may have helped bring this to major attention.  They know we are watching this attempt to prohibit freedom of the press and most especially for political reasons.

This is more like a move by Chavez than an Aruban.  But then Oduber did say that they always had their other friend, Chavez, if the U.S. chose to boycott.  Also the Department of State has mentioned concern about various officials in Aruba meeting so often with Chavez.  Well, he is only 16 miles away so I suppose some of that is normal.  I would also bet Chavez has promised to replace tourists lost by U.S. boycott and also that free oil he offers even to poor in this country while his own citizens do without.  There was an article recently posted stating that gasoline in Aruba is about $4.50 a gallon and I think this is a ploy to excuse their growing relationship with the communist dictator Chavez.

Just doing a quick drive by as I have company.

Will read tonight when things calm down around here.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 20, 2007, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, it sounds like a Whirlpool works fine.  We are debating between a Bosch, a Whirlpool and a GE, so if there is more satisfaction with Whirlpool (and I can get it in stainless steel), then that is what we will get.

ART COLLEY, our baby is fine.  She got her big girl surgery done Monday and only slowed down for about 24-48 hours.  We are trying to keep her settled down until we know she is well healed, but it is tough.  She likes to rearrange the garden, except she just takes the plants out of the ground and does not put them back in.  Argh, she turned over two huge potted roses yesterday and broke about 40 irises.  I am hoping this surgery will settle her down.  

She loves being outside playing but she is very disciplined to wanting inside when the sun goes down.   Since we are outside so much in the garden, that seems to be the most fun place.  She has a bazillion toys but she can tear them up faster than we can buy them.  She has learned to leave the cat's food alone.  I have no idea why but she likes to pee on my needlepoint rug.  We barred her from going into the room.  The needlepoint is the one with monkeys and roses (two of my favorite things), and it cost as much to clean it as a microwave costs.

Hoping she will settle down soon.

Klaas, have a nice day, and all monkeys.  Hope to have time to visit more once the heavy garden shows, rose tours, etc., are behind us.


OMG, sounds like you have your hands ful! :lol:

She'll outgrow it all in time...I always found my wildest puppies turned out to be the most laid back adults! Never has failed.

I had read about a Woman a few years back that had a Border collie that loved digging holes EVERYWHERE..and this woman was a gardener. SO...she taught the dog to dig holes where she wanted them to transplant shrubs, etc in her garden! Would be interesting if you could do that with your little gal!
The surgery should settle her down also.
She sounds like a  real sweetie though, and I can tell you love her to pieces!

Speaking of roses..I have YET to get the courage to go and visit my rose garden since the storm. A lot of them got involuntarily pruned. Of course, its been so cold here til today, that none have leaves or anything yet..just a garden of brown sticks (and now broken brown sticks) Grrrr
Naturally, the wild roses are unharmed and just waiting to creep another 3 or 4 feet onto the lawn! :lol:
My lilacs escaped a huge branch coming down..it landed right between them and for that I am grateful!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: mishy on April 20, 2007, 02:28:26 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"

She'll outgrow it all in time...I always found my wildest puppies turned out to be the most laid back adults! Never has failed.



ArtColley, please tell me this pertains to children as well!!!  :lol:  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
*******,

I got into a bit of an argument with Dan about that in emails.  I didn't believe him at first.  I do think he was really in touch with a MB kid who said he saw every bit of that now, however.  And he claimed to be at the time.  Very detailed information and I think that is the thing about which he posted he had a $900 phone bill.

He discounted my sources so I discounted him right back.  But looking back now, I wonder if this is true and someone did see Deepak escorting Natalee out bu the arm as Dan has always claimed.  Very interesting and why would Deepak be doing that?  Obviously Natalee was drugged at that point and maybe they feared somebody noticing and they would get in trouble.

Or was Deepak REALLY interested in Joran's conquest of the night for some reason of his own.

It is interesting and I would like to know if verified elsewhere like the FBI or someone in a position of authority.

.


Lovely Afternoon to all Monkeys, doing a quick read through, found Anna's post about Deepak and a the possibility he escorted Natalee out of C+C's. I do recall reading that. But I have one for you. Does anyone recall early rumors that Mrs. Kalpoe was actually a Mamasan? I think the rumor stated she had been a mamsan back in suriname.......but it has had me wondering about things more tha once through the course of this case......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 20, 2007, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Artcolley"

She'll outgrow it all in time...I always found my wildest puppies turned out to be the most laid back adults! Never has failed.



ArtColley, please tell me this pertains to children as well!!!  :lol:  :lol:  8)


Well, now, Children are a 'nother whole ballgame! :lol:

My theory is on normal children that they all seem to turn out fine..its the parents that lose their minds while raising them!  :lol:
(I had to add that "normal" cause I am thinking of the Vandersloot brat)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 02:53:51 PM
Hi Peaches ... how is it going.  I hope you are having a good day.

I am off to take my sister-in-law out for lunch ... today is the first day since last Friday's chemo that she can look at food and ... has a craving for sushi rolls and miso soup ... so a wonderful little Japanese restaurant in our community is where it is at.

You both are such an inspiration to me.

Hugs and God Bless.

Janet

1:00 PM PDST


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.


Yup..15 minutes later and she was almost a zombie I bet..No way in hell she would walk out with Deepak unless she was drugged..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 20, 2007, 03:02:53 PM
bleached - what is a mamasan?  Am I gonna be sorry I asked?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 03:11:24 PM
Kimmy - I'm not bleached, but "mamasan" isn't "my mamma" ... I think a sort of Japanese version of the Madam of the House. (And there can be "papasans" to in the same line of work ... )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 20, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Kimmy - I'm not bleached, but "mamasan" isn't "my mamma" ... I think a sort of Japanese version of the Madam of the House. (And there can be "papasans" to in the same line of work ... )


should be too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Kimmy - I'm not bleached, but "mamasan" isn't "my mamma" ... I think a sort of Japanese version of the Madam of the House. (And there can be "papasans" to in the same line of work ... )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama-san

A mama-san, or mamasan, is a woman who works in a supervisory role in certain establishments in East Asia, typically those related to sex work, but sometimes in drinking places as well. Papa-san may be used to refer to a man in a similar position. The drag-dressing male proprietors of okama bars are also commonly referred to as Mama-san.

Now back to working and lurking  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: sharon on April 20, 2007, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
bleached - what is a mamasan?  Am I gonna be sorry I asked?


Sort of a house mother for geishas  :D

And I never remember hearing that rumor, bleached. If you run across it again, please post. I can see where that would be an interesting point.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 20, 2007, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Kimmy - I'm not bleached, but "mamasan" isn't "my mamma" ... I think a sort of Japanese version of the Madam of the House. (And there can be "papasans" to in the same line of work ... )


 :shock:  :shock:   thanks..... I didn't realize :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
Thanks, Art.  Yes, we do love her.  Incidentally I have a friend in Tennessee who has shown me holes that her border has dug for her roses.  She says the problem is that once she gets the roses in the ground, the dog wants to keep digging holes, and she is out of plantings.

Honestly, I think she might be looking for moles/voles and maybe as she gets old (you know we understand how that works) she will be less interested in the chase (or the game as young girls are wont to call it).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
bleached - what is a mamasan?  Am I gonna be sorry I asked?


like a madam ...in a redlight district.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 20, 2007, 03:40:41 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Thanks, Art.  Yes, we do love her.  Incidentally I have a friend in Tennessee who has shown me holes that her border has dug for her roses.  She says the problem is that once she gets the roses in the ground, the dog wants to keep digging holes, and she is out of plantings.

Honestly, I think she might be looking for moles/voles and maybe as she gets old (you know we understand how that works) she will be less interested in the chase (or the game as young girls are wont to call it).


Yes, Tyler!
Yes, she'll settle down as she gets older! and YES..I know very well how that works, roflmao!

The Border Collie in Tennessee is a hoot! Heck, your friend could have a whole nursery planted in no time at all!

Aw, your little girl sounds like she is just wondeful. She'll give you many years of joy!

I resorted to having a huge fenced in yard for mine AWAY from the garden, lol! However, they have eachother so they don't seem to mind it. I have noticed that the hole digging is done in the middle of their yard, though. They never try to dig out. Only the Bichon. She dug out once, got scared and tried to dig back in. She's not done that since :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 03:44:12 PM
: Tyler and Art and all  :)

Great to see you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 03:45:31 PM
 Fancy Words Distract  


 :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEIWGdT-nc

You'll have to forgive me for this one since I think I am having a rather severe case of Spring Fever   today.......... Klaas you might have your hands full. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Fancy Words Distract  


 :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEIWGdT-nc

You'll have to forgive me for this one since I think I am having a rather severe case of Spring Fever   today.......... Klaas you might have your hands full. :wink:


  BB I just watched it  ROFL    :shock:    :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
I knew i could get a laugh  out of you Angie.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I knew i could get a laugh  out of you Angie.  :D



 :lol:  :lol:  I needed one!!!  Too funny!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 03:54:54 PM
Hi Mishy, Carpe, AZ, and Tiger.. I see you.. :)  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 20, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
If dk posed as a cabbie,it would be normal to help a drunken American out.The key is,that she was drugged,not drunken.CBB,or KLASS,I would like my new AVI,placed.Thanked you and SEMPER FI


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 04:09:03 PM
Kimmy, I thought I answered you and I apologize because I do not see my answer here.  Sometimes I do more than a dozen things at once, and later realize I never hit submit, or went to another window and closed one unintentionally while not finished, but I appreciate your response.

My shortest child is 6-2.  He would be the of the ones in fear of a pot rack hitting his head more than spilling something hot.  I do have grandchildren but they are not allowed to push buttons above their heads --- yet.  Of course, they are boy so they expect me or their fathers (usually) and sometimes their mother, to heat up things for them.  Their mummies are not as domesticated as their dads.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 20, 2007, 04:23:55 PM
"No way in hell she would walk out with Deepak unless she was drugged.."


*******, you got THAT right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 04:39:56 PM
Well, I don't think she would have left with any of them but that she was drugged.  I think she might have had a drink which made her vulnerable, and she went back in to find her friends, who were by now gone and she was dazed and Deepak was handy, and she had no way to turn, no way to hide.  She was trapped like a caged animal.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 04:41:07 PM
This situation at Johnson Space Center is very, very scary! :x

The POTUS has been notified, and likely very serious if they have notified the President.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 20, 2007, 04:45:45 PM
Well,Peaches,great news.Mishy,I am very glad for your friend.I will say that most Post office pictures are better.These are more like Nick Nolte,etc pictures,you know,to the right,etc.They should have some new ones,soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
This situation at Johnson Space Center is very, very scary! :x

The POTUS has been notified, and likely very serious if they have notified the President.


 Just read about it on AOL news.  :(  
Also read your post in the political thread about CHO.
TY for posting that Tyler.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 20, 2007, 05:04:13 PM
Thank you, Angie, are you  having a good day?  BB gave us a monkey (age) laugh.

It was great to see Art Colley here, another real survivor and fighter.  Geez, what Art has been through.  Not many survive it and if they do, they are no where near as cognitive as that bright lady.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Thank you, Angie, are you  having a good day?  BB gave us a monkey (age) laugh.

It was great to see Art Colley here, another real survivor and fighter.  Geez, what Art has been through.  Not many survive it and if they do, they are no where near as cognitive as that bright lady.


 I guess I am having an OK day.. off and cleaned and did laundry.. such fun!  lol
 I am happy for Art and Peaches both. Keeping our special monkey friend in our prayers as well.  :(  
 BB's post was funny..LOL
Glad to see you back posting Tyler.. know you have been a busy gal!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.


Yup..15 minutes later and she was almost a zombie I bet..No way in hell she would walk out with Deepak unless she was drugged..


.... but Deepak claims in his suspect statements that he left Carlos N' Charlies ahead of Joran and Satish.  Apparently, he waiting at his vehicle for them.  His June 9th statement and his June 11th statement differ ... lies are difficult to keep straight ... even for two days ... if you do not have a good memory.   :)  Maybe the witness saw Natalee come out with Satish ... maybe Natalee thought Satish was a cab driver.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car.

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
"No way in hell she would walk out with Deepak unless she was drugged.."


*******, you got THAT right!


You can get an amen here on that!  Who would??? 8) But in Latin America I have seen cabbies be that aggressive to get fares especially with tourists who do not speak the language.  Sort of like they are explaining and directing the person to the cab.  Where I saw this was people arriving at air ports both in Brazil and Bolivia.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.




Tamikos,

You are just amazing!  How on earth do you find all the articles like that!  I have saved some stuff but it is so poorly labeled, I can't find anything much on demand, certainly not the way you can.

Thank you for this verification.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 06:11:32 PM
I so wish I could be as organized as Janet and Klaas both.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 06:13:40 PM
REMINDER:

The Dana Pretzer Show - Special Guests Larry Pratt, Pete Bollinger, Eric Spinato, Cliff Van Zandt and Cheyenne Jackson
Tonight at 9 PM


www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

Special Guests:

Discussing the Virginia Tech Shooting

Larry Pratt, Executive Director,  Gun Owners of America
Pete Bollinger, Police Officer and author of How to Get Hired in Law Enforcement and Fire.
Eric Spinato, Senior Cable News Producer, we will discuss the Texas Cadet Murder Case and how he feels the VT shootings have been covered in the media
Clint Van Zandt
And Also:

Cheyenne Jackson, discussing a special birthday wish for a dying boy and the search for her missing brother.



Now back to working and lurking  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 06:14:59 PM
Good Day Monkyes

Just peeking for anything new  :(

I had to laugh today...
I stumbled on an OLD Aruba.com Natalee message board where the last post was in Dec. of 2005.  http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/list.php?f=13

And just had to read this one from 11/22/05
Quote
"THIS BOARD IS TURNING AWAY TRAVELERS"
As a Travel agent in the US, I have had over 50 Bookings change from Aruba to other destinations just because they have read this board.

I have written to everyone there that I could and no one seems to care.

Please stop this board now, and this topic....

I guess he was getting less money for booking to other places :lol:

And it seems that Aruba is still having many of the problems they did back in mid 2001 (illegals, drugs, lack police enforcement.. etc)
Quote
After the "fatal bank robbery"  A committee was organized which lead to the holding of a press conference and a one-day public awareness campaign. Following meetings with the Governor, Parliament and the
Council of Ministers our government leaders were presented with a list of
recommendations to bring back safety and the customary sense of security to our island life, the number one priority of our community.
:scratch:
READ The recommended short term actions  here  (page 3)
 http://www.arubachamber.com/newsletters/mayjun01.pdf

I have to at least bring this one here (which they must have forgotten about)
Quote
to pay special attention to youth criminality, including the sale of drugs and alcohol to youngsters


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
Hello Monkeys.
Saturday morning here.  Yippee!!!

Klaas - you have an email

Anna - loved the pups pics.  Adorable.
When we travelled in Asia the cab drivers there would fight amongst themselves as to who got the tourists.  Pushing, shoving and shouting.
Then they would almost manhandle the chosen tourists to their cab.  Very frightening and was the same everywhere you went.  If you hired a driver to do all your driving as we did, he then had to shoo away all the other drivers which were gathered at every tourist spot, and shout "My tourists"  They used ordinary cars and rarely looked like a recognisable cab.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 06:23:38 PM
Thanks klaas  for the heads up on Danas show!

OLDFART!!!!   How the hell are you?   :smt058

 Tibro. Good mornign to you sweety!  :)
Its still Friday here in my part of PA..  7:25 pm  EST..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkeys.
Saturday morning here.  Yippee!!!

Klaas - you have an email

Anna - loved the pups pics.  Adorable.
When we travelled in Asia the cab drivers there would fight amongst themselves as to who got the tourists.  Pushing, shoving and shouting.
Then they would almost manhandle the chosen tourists to their cab.  Very frightening and was the same everywhere you went.  If you hired a driver to do all your driving as we did, he then had to shoo away all the other drivers which were gathered at every tourist spot, and shout "My tourists"  They used ordinary cars and rarely looked like a recognisable cab.



I think it was supposed to look something like that, Tibro.  Also Dan said the person he talked to was sure it was Deepak and not Satish.  How they could tell, I don't know but at least Dan claimed, at least in email, to have asked about which Kalpoe it could have been.  The source was sure it was Deepak and not Satish.

I wonder why Joran NOW insists according to book notes that it was Satish who picked him up but what about all those calls to Deepak supposedly when walking home.  It can't be both ways.  Either he walked home using cell phone along the way or somebody picked him up and he claims it was Satish?

Joran has lied so many times, I don't think even he can keep it all straight but if he is lying about it being Satish, you can bet he has a reason.  Maybe because Deepak  was on the computer and has an alibi in that and Satish only claimed to be sleeping and did not log on the computer as Deepak did.  That makes Satish the one with no alibi.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thanks klaas  for the heads up on Danas show!

OLDFART!!!!   How the hell are you?   :smt058

 Tibro. Good mornign to you sweety!  :)
Its still Friday here in my part of PA..  7:25 pm  EST..lol


Hey Angie...  
I think I have little bit of  that stuff you had :(
and thanks   for the  :smt058

Gotta run...
SeeeYaaaByeeeeeeeeeeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 06:33:40 PM
Hi Angie hope you are feeling a little better by now.  How is your Gramma?
Yes sb said once that when I log in at least you all know there is going to be a tomorrow!  9.30 am here now

I am so happy for Peaches that the treatments are finished.  A positive outlook and determination is half the battle won.

I saw Tyler and Tiger in here earlier.  Hope they are well too.
Everyone's avis are so spectacular.  cbb and Klaas have outdone themselves this time.  I see Mishy found her butt waving one. :lol:  :lol:  I am waiting to see where the fireworks go that cbb promised to add :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thanks klaas  for the heads up on Danas show!

OLDFART!!!!   How the hell are you?   :smt058

 Tibro. Good mornign to you sweety!  :)
Its still Friday here in my part of PA..  7:25 pm  EST..lol


Hey Angie...  
I think I have little bit of  that stuff you had :(
and thanks   for the  :smt058

Gotta run...
SeeeYaaaByeeeeeeeeeeee


 I hope you feel better! It SUX. I am still getting over it..  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 06:36:13 PM
Anna
Headed out of the door  ...
But I do remember(I think) from some place in text or audio  Deepak said his brother drove from Jorans to C&C's.  I always wondered why?

SYB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.




Tamikos,

You are just amazing!  How on earth do you find all the articles like that!  I have saved some stuff but it is so poorly labeled, I can't find anything much on demand, certainly not the way you can.

Thank you for this verification.

.


You are welcome.

Anna, I could not do it without my desktop search engine.  When I name a file I just put keywords in the title.  The above quote ... title of the file was  ... DAVE DEEPAK ESCORT NATALEE CARLOS.  I do not think I have ever retrieved that quote since I save it but ... keywords DEEPAK and ESCORT did the trick.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 06:38:53 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi Angie hope you are feeling a little better by now.  How is your Gramma?
Yes sb said once that when I log in at least you all know there is going to be a tomorrow!  9.30 am here now

I am so happy for Peaches that the treatments are finished.  A positive outlook and determination is half the battle won.

I saw Tyler and Tiger in here earlier.  Hope they are well too.
Everyone's avis are so spectacular.  cbb and Klaas have outdone themselves this time.  I see Mishy found her butt waving one. :lol:  :lol:  I am waiting to see where the fireworks go that cbb promised to add :lol:  :lol:


  My gram is doing a little better. TY for asking about her. Shes a fiesty one.. lol
   Tibro.. I have to laugh.. I recall SB posting that.. and glad to see there is a tomorrow :)  I have to work on my Saturday and Sunday..  :roll:
 Hope all is well with you.. and you guys been in my prayers. Glad you are back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2007, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Anna and *******,

I, too, remember reading the claim that Deepak escorted Natalee out
of C and C's and that she seemed a bit unsteady.

Well if that is true, then there is NO doubt in my mind that Natalee was drugged or tricked.


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
June 23, 2006

COSBY:  ... I‘m sure you‘ve talked to Natalee‘s friends.  I‘m sure that they‘ve talked with you immediately after, you know, her disappearance.  What did they say her state of mind was?  Did they have any idea where she was headed and where she was going with these guys?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, I think there was some early confusion on what some of the Mountain Brook kids reported and what they said.  I did speak with one individual.  And he said that they all came out of the establishment, and they were all talking, and everybody appeared to be OK.  And then suddenly they saw Natalee look around as if she was looking for someone and walked back into the establishment and was back in there approximately 15 minutes.  And then, when she came out, Deepak had her by the arm, leading her out of the bar.

COSBY:  And that was the last thing that they saw?  

HOLLOWAY:  Well, that was one of the individuals‘ witness statement was, was that Deepak walked her out.  Some of the others indicated that she walked out with Joran.  So I think that‘s a matter of clearing that issue up.


Yup..15 minutes later and she was almost a zombie I bet..No way in hell she would walk out with Deepak unless she was drugged..


.... but Deepak claims in his suspect statements that he left Carlos N' Charlies ahead of Joran and Satish.  Apparently, he waiting at his vehicle for them.  His June 9th statement and his June 11th statement differ ... lies are difficult to keep straight ... even for two days ... if you do not have a good memory.   :)  Maybe the witness saw Natalee come out with Satish ... maybe Natalee thought Satish was a cab driver.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car.

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me.



Ahh good find!! I was looking at the old tripadvisor board today. A few things jumped out at me. Once again that early AM digital article about all 3 having sex with her. Also Natalee wasnt even missing a week and someone was already attacking Natalee and Beth on that forum. Who the hell was doing that???????

I guess another tourist saw natalee leave as well by herself..

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147247-i144-k158081-o120-Alert-Aruba.html

LLLemire
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This is a post from another website. Aruba.com Very interesting.
Author: Michele Gumm (---.newhav01.mi.comcast.net)
Date: 06-03-05 13:01
My husband and I were in Aruba last week and spent time with the girls on The DePalm tours snorkel/booze cruise. We saw Natalie later that night at Carlos and Charlies and we commented that she was up to partyubg that night because of the exhaustive day we had on the boat. When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
Well ... my sister-in-law just got up from a short nap following a very nice lunch at a local Japanese Restaurant and ... I am going to set up the Scrabble boards for a serious game ... maybe two.  I need a new Scrabble dictionary ... the one I have is falling apart.  I may take a few minutes and tape back in some the pages that have fallen out.

I sure hope there is some updates coming out of Aruba soon.  

Later, Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hello Monkeys.
Saturday morning here.  Yippee!!!

Klaas - you have an email

Anna - loved the pups pics.  Adorable.
When we travelled in Asia the cab drivers there would fight amongst themselves as to who got the tourists.  Pushing, shoving and shouting.
Then they would almost manhandle the chosen tourists to their cab.  Very frightening and was the same everywhere you went.  If you hired a driver to do all your driving as we did, he then had to shoo away all the other drivers which were gathered at every tourist spot, and shout "My tourists"  They used ordinary cars and rarely looked like a recognisable cab.

Will have to check it later, can't look right now.....sorry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Well ... my sister-in-law just got up from a short nap following a very nice lunch at a local Japanese Restaurant and ... I am going to set up the Scrabble boards for a serious game ... maybe two.  I need a new Scrabble dictionary ... the one I have is falling apart.  I may take a few minutes and tape back in some the pages that have fallen out.

I sure hope there is some updates coming out of Aruba soon.  

Later, Janet


Have a good night Janet.  Have a great time :)
 I am ready to throw my kid through a wall here.. :)   What a fun night for me.  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Well, I don't think she would have left with any of them but that she was drugged.  I think she might have had a drink which made her vulnerable, and she went back in to find her friends, who were by now gone and she was dazed and Deepak was handy, and she had no way to turn, no way to hide.  She was trapped like a caged animal.

Tyler - I'm going to highlight your whole post because I agree with everything you said.  In my opinion this is exactly what happened.  She would not have left with any of them.  Deepak was proud of himself how easy it was to get Natalee.  He even says it on the Skeeters tape.  Like you said Natalee never had a chance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 20, 2007, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Well ... my sister-in-law just got up from a short nap following a very nice lunch at a local Japanese Restaurant and ... I am going to set up the Scrabble boards for a serious game ... maybe two.  I need a new Scrabble dictionary ... the one I have is falling apart.  I may take a few minutes and tape back in some the pages that have fallen out.

I sure hope there is some updates coming out of Aruba soon.  

Later, Janet


Have a good night Janet.  Have a great time :)
 I am ready to throw my kid through a wall here.. :)   What a fun night for me.  :roll:  :roll:


Take a deep breath Angie and count to ten--.  Sometimes the kiddo's can just about get to you.  Hang in there.  Sometimes when they are pushing you the hardest, you need to love them the most.  (wishing I could take my own advice :? )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 20, 2007, 07:08:23 PM
MuffyBee..Sometimes when they are pushing you the hardest, you need to love them the most. (wishing I could take my own advice  )

This can apply to kids and other adults in our lives...at least in mine. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Well ... my sister-in-law just got up from a short nap following a very nice lunch at a local Japanese Restaurant and ... I am going to set up the Scrabble boards for a serious game ... maybe two.  I need a new Scrabble dictionary ... the one I have is falling apart.  I may take a few minutes and tape back in some the pages that have fallen out.

I sure hope there is some updates coming out of Aruba soon.  

Later, Janet


Have a good night Janet.  Have a great time :)
 I am ready to throw my kid through a wall here.. :)   What a fun night for me.  :roll:  :roll:


Take a deep breath Angie and count to ten--.  Sometimes the kiddo's can just about get to you.  Hang in there.  Sometimes when they are pushing you the hardest, you need to love them the most.  (wishing I could take my own advice :? )


 Oh Muffy..  he is beyond coutning to 10 anymore. :(
 I love him.. I do.. and he has such a bad attitude..  I walked into his room and he ran..  I told him I will give him an attitude adjustment myself. he said I'll call the cops?  ROFL..  he forgets I worked at 911 and dealt with this crap with teens.   :roll:  I  have tryed to help hom as much as I can.. and dont know what to do any longer. he is failing school.. and I HATE that.. he is a smart kid.  :(  used to be straight A's,, and if he got a B he would be upset? Now he dont care?  He trys to make me feel guilty cause I work.    When I dont work he is fine.. when I have a job, hes a brat on wheels. I am to the point i told him.. if he fails his junior year in school.. thats HIS fauly. not mine. Let the kids make fun of him next yr when he should be a senior.  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
MuffyBee..Sometimes when they are pushing you the hardest, you need to love them the most. (wishing I could take my own advice  )

This can apply to kids and other adults in our lives...at least in mine. :wink:

  Amen 2NJ


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:15:27 PM
Klaas - no hurry.  I know you are busy.

My internet keeps dropping out again this morning.  :evil:  :evil:
So if I disappear again.........

*******  my guess on the evil postings about Natalee and beth so early in the case would be Renfro and her gang of evil elves.

Also I remember there was a report of girls on a scuba trip and it was proved to be another school not MB.  Is this the same report or am I confused?  Again??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:18:06 PM
These are the two biggest criminals in the drugging of American tourists Deepak and Freddy.  They are both older and have the most experience.  Notice how they were spotted in CnC's together after Natalee was missing.  Deepak nearly fainted when he saw the camera on him.  Freddy is as violent as Joran.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/DeepakFreddy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 07:27:43 PM
I'm back Monks, had to pick up daughter from lacrosse, and then run a few erands. Glad to see everyone behaving. Klaas runs a tight ship.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:28:44 PM
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Patti on April 20, 2007, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: "San"
These are the two biggest criminals in the drugging of American tourists Deepak and Freddy.  They are both older and have the most experience.  Notice how they were spotted in CnC's together after Natalee was missing.  Deepak nearly fainted when he saw the camera on him.  Freddy is as violent as Joran.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/DeepakFreddy.jpg)


San:

Where were they at?  Is that Freddie with the head band?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:30:32 PM
Hi bb - that hat suits your luxurious long locks. :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


The alter boy was Freddy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


The alter boy was Freddy.


Thanks, San.  I thought it was Freddy but decided I would ask and not appear a total dill  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


The alter boy was Freddy.


Thanks, San.  I thought it was Freddy but decided I would ask and not appear a total dill  :lol:  :lol:

You are not a dill :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


The alter boy was Freddy.


Thanks, San.  I thought it was Freddy but decided I would ask and not appear a total dill  :lol:  :lol:

You are not a dill :lol:

Thanks again San.  Sometimes I feel like one  :wink:
Next question : Was Freddy the altar boy at the same church where the Priest would not speak with Dave for days?  Has anyone followed up on how involved the church building could have been in the proceedings of that night?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "San"
These are the two biggest criminals in the drugging of American tourists Deepak and Freddy.  They are both older and have the most experience.  Notice how they were spotted in CnC's together after Natalee was missing.  Deepak nearly fainted when he saw the camera on him.  Freddy is as violent as Joran.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/DeepakFreddy.jpg)


San:

Where were they at?  Is that Freddie with the head band?


Freddy is to the right.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
You got that right, San.  Nasty pieces of work the pair of them.
They had the taxi pick-up well rehearsed from the 20 times before.

Who was the one that was an altar boy or something like that at the local church?


The alter boy was Freddy.


Thanks, San.  I thought it was Freddy but decided I would ask and not appear a total dill  :lol:  :lol:

You are not a dill :lol:

Thanks again San.  Sometimes I feel like one  :wink:
Next question : Was Freddy the altar boy at the same church where the Priest would not speak with Dave for days?  Has anyone followed up on how involved the church building could have been in the proceedings of that night?

I don't know which Church Freddy was the alter boy at.  Klaas would probably know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 07:42:03 PM
Angiex911dsptcher wrote;

Quote
Oh Muffy.. he is beyond coutning to 10 anymore. Sad
I love him.. I do.. and he has such a bad attitude.. I walked into his room and he ran.. I told him I will give him an attitude adjustment myself. he said I'll call the cops? ROFL.. he forgets I worked at 911 and dealt with this crap with teens. Rolling Eyes I have tryed to help hom as much as I can.. and dont know what to do any longer. he is failing school.. and I HATE that.. he is a smart kid. Sad used to be straight A's,, and if he got a B he would be upset? Now he dont care? He trys to make me feel guilty cause I work. When I dont work he is fine.. when I have a job, hes a brat on wheels. I am to the point i told him.. if he fails his junior year in school.. thats HIS fauly. not mine. Let the kids make fun of him next yr when he should be a senior.


I can empathize with you Angie. My daughter is a junior also. So much depends on who they hang with it's scary. The pressure on all students is really a major one. When I asked my daughter about her chemistry class there's always another reason for a poor grade." That teacher is boring, that class is stupid, I can't understand a thing that teacher says...." .  I talk to her and remind her when she does graduate,
she's the one ulimately responsible for her grades. All those peeps she is trying to impress will go their own way, and she'll go hers. Sometimes it sinks in, sometimes not.

I did learn from her today is Stoner  Day among students in many areas of the nation. So to all those parents out there-beware the teen with the red glassy eyes , and voracious appetite.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi bb - that hat suits your luxurious long locks. :lol:  :lol:



Thanks Tib. I see you are careful not to mess your lovely long red locks. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 20, 2007, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Angiex911dsptcher wrote;

Quote
Oh Muffy.. he is beyond coutning to 10 anymore. Sad
I love him.. I do.. and he has such a bad attitude.. I walked into his room and he ran.. I told him I will give him an attitude adjustment myself. he said I'll call the cops? ROFL.. he forgets I worked at 911 and dealt with this crap with teens. Rolling Eyes I have tryed to help hom as much as I can.. and dont know what to do any longer. he is failing school.. and I HATE that.. he is a smart kid. Sad used to be straight A's,, and if he got a B he would be upset? Now he dont care? He trys to make me feel guilty cause I work. When I dont work he is fine.. when I have a job, hes a brat on wheels. I am to the point i told him.. if he fails his junior year in school.. thats HIS fauly. not mine. Let the kids make fun of him next yr when he should be a senior.


I can empathize with you Angie. My daughter is a junior also. So much depends on who they hang with it's scary. The pressure on all students is really a major one. When I asked my daughter about her chemistry class there's always another reason for a poor grade." That teacher is boring, that class is stupid, I can't understand a thing that teacher says...." .  I talk to her and remind her when she does graduate,
she's the one ulimately responsible for her grades. All those peeps she is trying to impress will go their own way, and she'll go hers. Sometimes it sinks in, sometimes not.

I did learn from her today is Stoner  Day among students in many areas of the nation. So to all those parents out there-beware the teen with the red glassy eyes , and voracious appetite.  :twisted:


OMG Bleached my nephew told me this yesterday and I thought he was lying.  He told me to look it up and I didn't.  We were in the car tonight and he said that today is 4/20 and 420 is the code the cops call in when someone is in possession of pot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 07:47:44 PM
Evening monkeys.

Was there ever any proof that the Kalpoe stepfather took over the Cyber Cafe, or was that just speculation?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

Was there ever any proof that the Kalpoe stepfather took over the Cyber Cafe, or was that just speculation?

There was proof via the Aruba Chamber that he took ownership of the Cyberzone on Auguet 2005.  We were told there was no exchange of money in the deal.  The Cyberzone is now sold/gone.

Back to working and lurking.  My PC is tied up with a scripting program updating 3000 items in a hospital database.  

i won't be able to listen to DANA but I hope you guys do!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:51:43 PM
Hi BT - I thought Klaas posted a business registration about the changeover.  But didn't he sell it again afterwards?

May I send you an email over the weekend?  I have seen the sockmonkey address.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 07:52:41 PM
FYI - My laptop typing sucks, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

Was there ever any proof that the Kalpoe stepfather took over the Cyber Cafe, or was that just speculation?

There was proof via the Aruba Chamber that he took ownership of the Cyberzone on Auguet 2005.  We were told there was no exchange of money in the deal.  The Cyberzone is now sold/gone.

Back to working and lurking.  My PC is tied up with a scripting program updating 3000 items in a hospital database.  

i won't be able to listen to DANA but I hope you guys do!


Thanks, Klaas. I'm glad we have you to remind us old, forgetful folks of things.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 07:53:42 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Hi BT - I thought Klaas posted a business registration about the changeover.  But didn't he sell it again afterwards?

May I send you an email over the weekend?  I have seen the sockmonkey address.


Of course! Looking forward to the email.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 07:54:17 PM
You are right, San.  I am not a total dill.  Just think I am  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
REMINDER:

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Angiex911dsptcher wrote;

Quote
Oh Muffy.. he is beyond coutning to 10 anymore. Sad
I love him.. I do.. and he has such a bad attitude.. I walked into his room and he ran.. I told him I will give him an attitude adjustment myself. he said I'll call the cops? ROFL.. he forgets I worked at 911 and dealt with this crap with teens. Rolling Eyes I have tryed to help hom as much as I can.. and dont know what to do any longer. he is failing school.. and I HATE that.. he is a smart kid. Sad used to be straight A's,, and if he got a B he would be upset? Now he dont care? He trys to make me feel guilty cause I work. When I dont work he is fine.. when I have a job, hes a brat on wheels. I am to the point i told him.. if he fails his junior year in school.. thats HIS fauly. not mine. Let the kids make fun of him next yr when he should be a senior.


I can empathize with you Angie. My daughter is a junior also. So much depends on who they hang with it's scary. The pressure on all students is really a major one. When I asked my daughter about her chemistry class there's always another reason for a poor grade." That teacher is boring, that class is stupid, I can't understand a thing that teacher says...." .  I talk to her and remind her when she does graduate,
she's the one ulimately responsible for her grades. All those peeps she is trying to impress will go their own way, and she'll go hers. Sometimes it sinks in, sometimes not.

I did learn from her today is Stoner  Day among students in many areas of the nation. So to all those parents out there-beware the teen with the red glassy eyes , and voracious appetite.  :twisted:


  OMG  that right.. stoner day.  :shock:  
 I am ready to give up BB.. no matter what I do.. it dont seem to be enough.. or the right thing.  My ex MIL just called me a bit ago to ask me how he is doing?  I didnt lie to her.. she was in tears.  She said they would take him there,. but cant handle him either.  :roll:  She even offered again to send him to a private school IMO I dont think that will do him any good.. its his piss poor attitude he has.  I dont get it? i feel like a failure? I raised him and his sister the same way. Shes damn near perfect its skeery.. and him?  hes devlish as heck.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:09:48 PM
Klaas
 Link to Danas show? Or is it posted on the FP?  TY!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:12:19 PM
Nevermind.. I found it.. and have it on now...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas
 Link to Danas show? Or is it posted on the FP?  TY!


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

Or you can just go to the FP of SM :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klaas
 Link to Danas show? Or is it posted on the FP?  TY!


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

Or you can just go to the FP of SM :wink:


  :)  Ty   I have it on now.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:23:45 PM
Ia gree this kid should have never been able to purchase a glock!
  loved thru this with my ex hubby. hH got a gun while being in the mental health. NOBODY checked.   :evil:  Got a permit to carry.
  I was a narc.. and called out courthouse.. had that permit reviod. But it dont matter.. he still has the gun and other in his cache. :roll:
  He was never a criminal..   not yet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 08:35:02 PM
Hi Angie, Klaas, and all monkeys who may be here! I too am listening to Dana.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hi Angie, Klaas, and all monkeys who may be here! I too am listening to Dana.


 Hi Elaine..
 I am off on and as well..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Hi Angie, Klaas, and all monkeys who may be here! I too am listening to Dana.


 Hi Elaine..
 I am off on and as well..
Good to see you, and hope that you are getting better! I see where you must work the weekend. Hope you have an easy weekend. The weather is supposed to be good so hopefully people will be in a good mood for you, at least!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 08:57:12 PM
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)
You were there at a time than some of us can only imagine, when really needed girlfriend! That is what counts and I have a great admiration for you as I am sure a lot of people do!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:14:30 PM
Dana is right. hard not to show emotions as a reporter..
 it does take a toll.. on those there..
  911?   :(  Hard to think about an move forward on that one for me.

  Ty Eric..  great show Dana..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)
You were there at a time than some of us can only imagine, when really needed girlfriend! That is what counts and I have a great admiration for you as I am sure a lot of people do!  :D


 Ty  Elaine..   Not looking for admiration here..I did my job  to the best of my ability then.  I  do miss it. I may typo aot.. and come off like a dummy. lol   That is one job I busted my ass to get.. and was proud of me..  :)  All I have now to show is certificates.. awards,, and some good and bad memories.  Its ok.. I figure I was meant to be there when I was.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 09:19:43 PM
Hey Monkeys

Whats UP (if anything)

I do wish Dana would play some more recent music (once in a while) JMO :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Monkeys

Whats UP (if anything)

I do wish Dana would play some more recent music (once in a while) JMO :wink:

 Howdy OF  I hope you took a nap and you are feeling better  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Monkeys

Whats UP (if anything)

I do wish Dana would play some more recent music (once in a while) JMO :wink:
Hi Oldfart, good to see you here! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 09:26:15 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Monkeys

Whats UP (if anything)

I do wish Dana would play some more recent music (once in a while) JMO :wink:


OF,
Send him your requests and he may play them.


I just this minute tuned in and LOVE the CAJUN music playing!

But then I like most Cajun things including food.

. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:27:35 PM
Great show Dana..
  its over?   This is one time I was honesty gonna call in? :(
even with my horrid voice.  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 20, 2007, 09:34:06 PM
I love Cajun music and food.We celebrate Stoner Day at our school with a relay for life,to raise money for cancer.My little and his friends are wearing Bob Marley T-shirts,others wear Frank Zappa T-shirts,you get the idea.Hey Art Colley,it good to meet you,same for Anna.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Hey Monkeys

Whats UP (if anything)

I do wish Dana would play some more recent music (once in a while) JMO :wink:

 Howdy OF  I hope you took a nap and you are feeling better  :)

 :(  Nope & Nope  :(

I'v been semi bad... but have been busy on the internet looking at and signing up on several Natalee related sites just to read (I need a bleach shower  :shock: )

Elaine
good to see you too... I have not been around much  BUT still have HOPE

Anna  
Good to see you too..  
 Cajun  music ?  
I have not heard much... some way tooooo slow but some I liked
What was the name of the guy on the Food channel that used to do Cajun cooking.  His belly rolled as he stirred and he gar-in-teed it tasted good.
Ummm.. tap.. tap... ummm
?? winston, watson, wilson,  weston, Last name started with a W and ended with a Son  (I think)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2007, 09:40:44 PM
Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  :)

Janet

7:45 PM PDST


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:41:12 PM
Bleach shower Oldfart?  :)
  I do hope you feel better if you are sicky.
 HUGS to you.. have you heard from Cubbee lately????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  :)

Janet

7:45 PM PDST


 Night Janet..  You have a good weekend as well.   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Good Night Monkeys and ... have a good weekend.  :)

Janet

7:45 PM PDST
Thanks for all your posts! Take care!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 09:43:23 PM
Old Fart,
That was Justin Wilson and he passed away last year.   I have a couple of his cookbooks.  Yes, he guaran-teed it!  And used on-yons?  

Tremendously good recipes!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 09:47:34 PM
Angiex911dsptchr  wrote;
Quote
OMG that right.. stoner day. Shocked
I am ready to give up BB.. no matter what I do.. it dont seem to be enough.. or the right thing. My ex MIL just called me a bit ago to ask me how he is doing? I didnt lie to her.. she was in tears. She said they would take him there,. but cant handle him either. Rolling Eyes She even offered again to send him to a private school IMO I dont think that will do him any good.. its his piss poor attitude he has. I dont get it? i feel like a failure? I raised him and his sister the same way. Shes damn near perfect its skeery.. and him? hes devlish as heck. Sad


You now you won't give up, the love is to strong. The foundation you give him is the best you know how, and even if he doesn't realize it at this time.....one day he will. Many of us were not the best "kids" when we were young, I am sure my mother blames her high blood pressure on me( :twisted: ), she is 85 years old now.  :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5kARCZ0djE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Bleach shower Oldfart?  :)
  I do hope you feel better if you are sicky.
 HUGS to you.. have you heard from Cubbee lately????


How about antibacterial then?

There are times I wish congress would carve out an area of Northern Alaska for a new state  reserved for certain classes of criminals and any one that want to move there to be around people feel close to.  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 20, 2007, 09:49:19 PM
From www.caribbeannetnews.com


Iranian foreign minister visits Venezuela
Published on Friday, April 20, 2007

CARACAS, Venezuela (AFP): Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was in Venezuela Thursday for a visit aimed at boosting cooperation between the two oil-rich countries whose governments are among the most critical of the US administration.

 
Mottaki was in the South American country "to reinforce our ties, review bilateral relations, increase cooperation and analyze new elements of integration and bilateral cooperation," said Venezuela's deputy foreign minister Vladimir Villegas.

The Iranian minister was scheduled to hold talks with his Venezuelan counterpart Nicolas Maduro, who had visited Iran last month. Government officials said it was not immediately clear whether he would meet with President Hugo Chavez.

The two governments last year signed 29 cooperation accords, including agreements for Iranian participation in the construction of factories in Venezuela to produce cars, small aircraft, petrochemicals, cement and gunpowder.

Both governments are among the most virulent critics of the administration of US President George W. Bush, and Chavez has repeatedly defended Iran's controversial nuclear program.

"What Iran is doing is something legitimate, it is developing its nuclear energy for peaceful means," the firebrand leftist leader said on Sunday.

Mottaki told Iranian nationals in Caracas Wednesday that Iran would never give up its right to pursue peaceful nuclear activities, according to Iran's state-run Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA.)

At the meeting held at the Iranian embassy in Caracas, Mottaki expressed hope that serious and constructive talks would resume between Iran and Western countries to settle the nuclear dispute, IRNA said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 20, 2007, 09:51:59 PM
Dana, Great show!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: casa on April 20, 2007, 09:52:38 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Old Fart,
That was Justin Wilson and he passed away last year.   I have a couple of his cookbooks.  Yes, he guaran-teed it!  And used on-yons?  

Tremendously good recipes!

.


I also have two of his cookbooks.  His shrimp creole recipe is great!  My uncle used to tell lots of Justin Wilson jokes.  He could sound almost like him!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Old Fart,
That was Justin Wilson and he passed away last year.   I have a couple of his cookbooks.  Yes, he guaran-teed it!  And used on-yons?  

Tremendously good recipes!
.

Anna
Thats the name...   thanks
Loved to hear him tell the short stories while things were a simmin

Between him and Julia I was sure to get a laugh and hungry :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 09:53:55 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I love Cajun music and food.We celebrate Stoner Day at our school with a relay for life,to raise money for cancer.My little and his friends are wearing Bob Marley T-shirts,others wear Frank Zappa T-shirts,you get the idea.Hey Art Colley,it good to meet you,same for Anna.


Cajun music makes me think of Cajun food....and I already hate the diet I'm trying to stay on. :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 20, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
The Netherlands says Aruba has to uphold its laws.  Does that include drinking, gambling, drugging, raping and murdering?  

(also from www.caribbeannetnews.com)
Aruba has to recognise gay marriage, says Dutch supreme court
Published on Saturday, April 14, 2007 Email To Friend    Print Version  


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AFP):  The Dutch Supreme Court on Friday ordered the Caribbean island of Aruba to recognise same-sex marriages registered in the Netherlands.

The ruling puts an end to a conflict between Aruba, a former Dutch colony in the Antilles, and a lesbian couple who moved to the island having married in the Netherlands in 2001.

Although independent in internal politics, Aruba is part of the kingdom of the Netherlands and comes under the jurisdiction of the Dutch Supreme Court.

After moving to Aruba the women wanted to register, but were told that same-sex marriages were not legal on the island.

The Supreme court ruling, published on the internet, stated that a marriage certificate signed by an official of the Netherlands, carried the "same force of law" in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 09:57:17 PM
Hey guys!

Old Fart, where you been? I've missed you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 10:04:57 PM
OF,

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/thththicantbraintoday.jpg)


Cajun music always has the same beat maybe 6/8?  Some of our music people would know.  Lots of it doesn't have words, at least not any I know about but is good to dance to.  They are big party people and include the whole family from kids to gramma to eat and dance.  Some have been known to also drink at such gatherings but they do have a verve for enjoying life and can be very light hearted at times.

Once went on skiing trip with a few relatives who are cajun and the instructor pulled out his hair trying to understand them, lol, was very funny to watch.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:05:27 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Angiex911dsptchr  wrote;
Quote
OMG that right.. stoner day. Shocked
I am ready to give up BB.. no matter what I do.. it dont seem to be enough.. or the right thing. My ex MIL just called me a bit ago to ask me how he is doing? I didnt lie to her.. she was in tears. She said they would take him there,. but cant handle him either. Rolling Eyes She even offered again to send him to a private school IMO I dont think that will do him any good.. its his piss poor attitude he has. I dont get it? i feel like a failure? I raised him and his sister the same way. Shes damn near perfect its skeery.. and him? hes devlish as heck. Sad


You now you won't give up, the love is to strong. The foundation you give him is the best you know how, and even if he doesn't realize it at this time.....one day he will. Many of us were not the best "kids" when we were young, I am sure my mother blames her high blood pressure on me( :twisted: ), she is 85 years old now.  :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5kARCZ0djE


 WHOA BB. I love Eric Clapton..  and.. well sent my kid this link to see too.
 He is being a snot.  I am sitting here with tears rolling.. Ughh
  TY.. perfect song!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hey guys!

Old Fart, where you been? I've missed you!

Hey CBB  ! ! !

I'v been in Read & Post once in a while mode (just one of those moods)
and be honest
you are glad you did not have to type "Fart" :wink:  :wink:

BTW
Like the abbs(?) and umm other movement your avi. has obtained (sorry for being honest)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:10:55 PM
Didn't mean to make you sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
OF,

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Funny/thththicantbraintoday.jpg)


Cajun music always has the same beat maybe 6/8?  Some of our music people would know.  Lots of it doesn't have words, at least not any I know about but is good to dance to.  They are big party people and include the whole family from kids to gramma to eat and dance.  Some have been known to also drink at such gatherings but they do have a verve for enjoying life and can be very light hearted at times.

Once went on skiing trip with a few relatives who are cajun and the instructor pulled out his hair trying to understand them, lol, was very funny to watch.

.


Anna
Way back when I was in the military with  & hung out with a "Cajun"
Hellof a nice guy ... after 3-4 month I started to semi-under stand what he was talking about.  :lol:  :lol:   but he did know how to  P A R T Y  big time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:13:30 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Didn't mean to make you sad.


  LOL  No you didnt sweety!   It fit to the tee!  :) TY.. !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:22:52 PM
Hi Oldfart.  Sorry you do not feel well.  
You need some stars and stripes on that bow tie to cheer you up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:25:34 PM
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2007, 10:26:19 PM
Well Monkey I think it is time to call it a night...

Will have to check out Tamikosmom theory thread this weekend.
I think we are on the same page & maybe close to same paragraph.

I have not done this for a bit ... hope it still works

midi for Love is Battle Field (not the same as actual music) but I still like it
http://www.rhost.it/Luli/Midi/Stranieri/Pat%20Benatar/Love_Is_A_Battlefield.mid

And with the TWO year mark coming up.. the battle for justice still goes on..
SeeYaByeee

BTW
Why did Joran bring up the Fisherman's Huts on  5/31/05?
Just wondering

G'nite all...
My sig line still holds true I just may have to wait a bit longer


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
i was a good robots when i was little  8)



well, most of the time  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)


Angie send me a good cigar! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.


Be down your way tomorrow! 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


 It was a nice day here in PA.  
 Hope you are doing well BOC..  and TY for continuing on sending me those books in the mail   :shock:      :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:30:24 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.


Be down your way tomorrow! 8)


The weather should be gorgeous! Just don't let anyone breathe any germs on you and make you sick.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.


BT that is not good news - hope it is just a short term bug thingy, and you feel better tomorrow.
You will meet up with Carpe and Spooky and the other night owls.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: BIGORANGECRUSH
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)



 What do you like?
 Acid, Blondies?  Punch?  Curly heads? Name it.. you got it  :)
 Got a huge humidor in the store.. over 500 brands of cigars  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:33:33 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


 It was a nice day here in PA.  
 Hope you are doing well BOC..  and TY for continuing on sending me those books in the mail   :shock:      :wink:


Did you pick out a new thong?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 10:33:58 PM
Tibro - how about this for Anzac Day?  I'll work on US/Aussie after April 25, Anzac Day  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/TibroAussieFlag.gif)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/TibroAussieFlag.gif

Whew - finally done working for the day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.


BT that is not good news - hope it is just a short term bug thingy, and you feel better tomorrow.
You will meet up with Carpe and Spooky and the other night owls.


TY Tibro. I work around a lot of people who work around a lot of little kids, so it's probably another Head Start germ I've picked up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


 It was a nice day here in PA.  
 Hope you are doing well BOC..  and TY for continuing on sending me those books in the mail   :shock:      :wink:

Hi Angie!
Reporting in, it was near PERFECT today here in central Indiana. Suppose to be the same thru the weekend.  Might have to put on some Jimmy Buffet music...........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i was a good robots when i was little  8)



well, most of the time  :twisted:


I thought Robots were programmed to always be good  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:35:56 PM
Now for the pictorial Pimps on the Town

(http://www.coolaruba.com/album/albums/APRIL%202007/WEDNESDAY%20NIGTH%20OUT%2018APRIL/Carlos_%2872%29.jpg)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/album/albums/APRIL%202007/FULL%20MOON%2014APRIL/Green_%2849%29.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:37:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tibro - how about this for Anzac Day?  I'll work on US/Aussie after April 25, Anzac Day  :wink:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/TibroAussieFlag.gif)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/TibroAussieFlag.gif

Whew - finally done working for the day!


Bonza, Klaas.  I will save to my photobucket.  Many thanks for that, and so quick too.  You are a Supermonkey  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:37:09 PM
Oh BB!! I already had an upset stomach!!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:37:18 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
i was a good robots when i was little  8)



well, most of the time  :twisted:


I thought Robots were programmed to always be good  :roll:  :roll:



smart robots can CRACK the CODE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:38:24 PM
course im full of.............THEORIES


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


I'm sure that's a very good idea, Robots, but I live in Tennessee. There are no really cold places outside here this time of year.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:38:42 PM
Sorry to read about your  "bug". Hopefully it's just some 24hour virus, and passes by quickly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


I'm sure that's a very good idea, Robots, but I live in Tennessee. There are no really cold places outside here this time of year.  :lol:


hmmmmmm... well you can try PLAN "B"

fill a tub with ICE.......in theory it will work the same  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Sorry to read about your  "bug". Hopefully it's just some 24hour virus, and passes by quickly.


TY BB. It started suddenly, so I suspect that's what it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


I'm sure that's a very good idea, Robots, but I live in Tennessee. There are no really cold places outside here this time of year.  :lol:


almost 70 here today 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Weather here is nice today :)
I am listnenig to the show.. and I have to agree with the speaker about playing the game with these sicko folks.  
   iIs a shame!  These sick folks asnt as dumb as society thinks they are.
 TO be involved in police, fire and medics. I give those folks all the credit in the world.
  Speaker says some of the opfficers have high BP.. I feel for him. Alot of us dispatchers when I was there.. had to be on nerve pills too.


 Great interview with Pete , Dana!
I must agree, the game with the sickos is awful! Also, I too admire the police  and firemen and of course the 911 people(you included)! I'll bet they do  have high B/P and bad nerves. Hats off to all of them, they make the world a better place!


 IF I could be back to that job. I would in a heartbeat  :(  Got the medical issue that keeps me from doing it. I would much rather be there then being an asst manager of a smoke shop .   Trust me. I can so relate to this interview, I am so happy I am able to listen to it!  
 Hugs Chicky..  :)



 What do you like?
 Acid, Blondies?  Punch?  Curly heads? Name it.. you got it  :)
 Got a huge humidor in the store.. over 500 brands of cigars  :shock:


I love Quinteras, Camachos, Punch, Acid, Romeo and Juliet! Most Dominican. I like Cuban too, but I have to get those in the Caribbean!

Sure I like Blondies, Brunetts and Redheads! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: "robots"
almost 70 here today 8)


That sounds perfect. At what temperature do Robots start to overheat?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:42:05 PM
or find a walk in freezer at the local grocery store and put on a white
COAT and make a fake badge of sorts and tell them you are an inspector
and need to check things out

stay in the walk freezer for an hour


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: "robots"
or find a walk in freezer at the local grocery store and put on a white
COAT and make a fake badge of sorts and tell them you are an inspector
and need to check things out

stay in the walk freezer for an hour


 8)


Awww...I'm onto you. You're trying to turn me into a Boston Terrier pupsicle, aren't you?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
almost 70 here today 8)


That sounds perfect. At what temperature do Robots start to overheat?


well, i worked outside all day on hot top

and i BOILED over a couple times

i need to drink more water. thats what the ROBOTS MANUAL says

but im not sure i beleive it  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:44:17 PM
bb - I think you and ******* must be having a contest to see which of you can post the ugliest pimp picture.  :shock:  :shock: [/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
or find a walk in freezer at the local grocery store and put on a white
COAT and make a fake badge of sorts and tell them you are an inspector
and need to check things out

stay in the walk freezer for an hour


 8)


Awww...I'm onto you. You're trying to turn me into a Boston Terrier pupsicle, aren't you?  :wink:



shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...laughter will take your NASTY little cold-virus away
although im not sure this is funny

but im trying  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:45:09 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Oh BB!! I already had an upset stomach!!  :lol:


Hope that bug is not hanging in Bradley Co. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 10:45:34 PM
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
or find a walk in freezer at the local grocery store and put on a white
COAT and make a fake badge of sorts and tell them you are an inspector
and need to check things out

stay in the walk freezer for an hour


 8)


Awww...I'm onto you. You're trying to turn me into a Boston Terrier pupsicle, aren't you?  :wink:



shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...laughter will take your NASTY little cold-virus away
although im not sure this is funny

but im trying  8)


And it's working! I'm sure I already feel better.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:45:53 PM
im going to go outside RIGHT NOW

i will be back in 30 minutes

i have summer shorts on and no shirt, its cold

i will report back in 30 minutes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Oh BB!! I already had an upset stomach!!  :lol:


Hope that bug is not hanging in Bradley Co. :shock:


I haven't been to Cleveland in months, so you're probably safe.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
or find a walk in freezer at the local grocery store and put on a white
COAT and make a fake badge of sorts and tell them you are an inspector
and need to check things out

stay in the walk freezer for an hour


 8)


Awww...I'm onto you. You're trying to turn me into a Boston Terrier pupsicle, aren't you?  :wink:



shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...laughter will take your NASTY little cold-virus away
although im not sure this is funny

but im trying  8)


And it's working! I'm sure I already feel better.  :D



seeeeeeeeeeeee, im magic robots


watch this... im going to make myself INVISIBLE  :shock:



see, you cant see me  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
Was really hoping for some news today out of Aruba but I've learned over time that those in charge really don't get in a hurry to do anything.
It's like a basketball team being down by 4 with 10 seconds left looking a last minute shot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


One hot hiney! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:47:49 PM
Quote from: "robots"
im going to go outside RIGHT NOW

i will be back in 30 minutes

i have summer shorts on and no shirt, its cold

i will report back in 30 minutes


I hope you can cure me by remote. Oh wait, you're a robots - of course you can!  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 10:48:56 PM
She had the "swing" for it, BOC!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
bb - I think you and ******* must be having a contest to see which of you can post the ugliest pimp picture.  :shock:  :shock: [/b]


That was pretty bad. Didn't see many other pic, one I wasn't sure about. Suprised to see Steve C. was not among the mugshots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
im going to go outside RIGHT NOW

i will be back in 30 minutes

i have summer shorts on and no shirt, its cold

i will report back in 30 minutes


I hope you can cure me by remote. Oh wait, you're a robots - of course you can!  8)


THIS IS ROBOTS AUTO MESSAGE SERVICE

HE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, HE WILL RETURN in 26 minutes  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Was really hoping for some news today out of Aruba but I've learned over time that those in charge really don't get in a hurry to do anything.
It's like a basketball team being down by 4 with 10 seconds left looking a last minute shot.

Me too Indy.  From what I hear though the Dutch team really doesn't talk alot.  Anything we do hear will be accidental I think, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


 It was a nice day here in PA.  
 Hope you are doing well BOC..  and TY for continuing on sending me those books in the mail   :shock:      :wink:


Did you pick out a new thong?  :wink:

   LOL  :wink:   figured you could have that honor!  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
bb - I think you and ******* must be having a contest to see which of you can post the ugliest pimp picture.  :shock:  :shock: [/b]


That was pretty bad. Didn't see many other pic, one I wasn't sure about. Suprised to see Steve C. was not among the mugshots.

Bet he was there.  The girl with Jerry is the one that Steve C has been "hanging" with.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
im going to go outside RIGHT NOW

i will be back in 30 minutes

i have summer shorts on and no shirt, its cold

i will report back in 30 minutes


I hope you can cure me by remote. Oh wait, you're a robots - of course you can!  8)


THIS IS ROBOTS AUTO MESSAGE SERVICE

HE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, HE WILL RETURN in 26 minutes  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


That is a good one, cbb.  I admit I was worried what you were going to do with the firecracker  :roll:
We would all be wagging our butts that close to the fire


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2007, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


I'm sure that's a very good idea, Robots, but I live in Tennessee. There are no really cold places outside here this time of year.  :lol:


LOL!   :D Yes, I think it is at least 60 outside right now.

Robots,
Theories are not all you are full of, lol, just kidding because I mean

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thHUNNY.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Was really hoping for some news today out of Aruba but I've learned over time that those in charge really don't get in a hurry to do anything.
It's like a basketball team being down by 4 with 10 seconds left looking a last minute shot.


Never any news on Fridays from Aruba.  :evil: Not only do they seem to function by  their own time clock, they also seem to have their own form of work weeks .......which seem to stop mid-day wednesdays. :wink:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


One hot hiney! :wink:

HA! I wanted to say that too but was afraid it might not be PC.  But I've noticed that Badonk-a-donk for quite a while now......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


That is a good one, cbb.  I admit I was worried what you were going to do with the firecracker  :roll:
We would all be wagging our butts that close to the fire

 :shock:  :shock:  :lol: Worried about me?  :roll:

Tibro, Klaas has got you looking great for Aussie Day! I love it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: IndyDan
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC checking the weather! Is it HOT in here tonite or all things  cool?


 It was a nice day here in PA.  
 Hope you are doing well BOC..  and TY for continuing on sending me those books in the mail   :shock:      :wink:

Hi Angie!
Reporting in, it was near PERFECT today here in central Indiana. Suppose to be the same thru the weekend.  Might have to put on some Jimmy Buffet music...........[/quote

  :) Indy!  If was able. I would post my daughters FIL 's photo from her wedding. He is the spiiting image of Jimmy Buffet..LOL
  Glad you are having great wetaher there in Indy!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:54:03 PM
Well, I think I'm going to see if I can get some rest.

If that doesn't work, I may be back later.

Night for now, monkeys. :smt006


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: robots on April 20, 2007, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Monkeyyyyysssssss.....I'm a sick monkey tonight.  :(

Muscle aches, cold chills, VERY upset stomach.  :(  :(

I don't know if I'll get much sleep tonight or not, so I might be a late-night monkey.



hope you feel better :)

im a little unorthodox and i dont recommend you do this... but when i get felling like that i try and find a very cold place outside and wait until i start to shiver until i cant stand it........

and people ask WHY ?

i figure its a nice way to tell the BODY to reeeeeeeeeeeeally fight back

jump start the body


i have been told it can be dangerous, but it works
feel better in 12 hours

im a mad scientist  8)


I'm sure that's a very good idea, Robots, but I live in Tennessee. There are no really cold places outside here this time of year.  :lol:


LOL!   :D Yes, I think it is at least 60 outside right now.

Robots,
Theories are not all you are full of, lol, just kidding because I mean

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thHUNNY.gif)


hello Anna
ROBOTS MESSAGE SERVICE finds that FUNNY  :lol:

he will be back in 18 minutes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
This is for my Angie.  :smt056

Night, Ang.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


One hot hiney! :wink:

HA! I wanted to say that too but was afraid it might not be PC.  But I've noticed that Badonk-a-donk for quite a while now......


That's a REAL word! Seriously! Last week somebody accused me of it and I looked it up! And got serious about a diet!  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


One hot hiney! :wink:

HA! I wanted to say that too but was afraid it might not be PC.  But I've noticed that Badonk-a-donk for quite a while now......


That's a REAL word! Seriously! Last week somebody accused me of it and I looked it up! And got serious about a diet!  :roll:

GET OUT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
bb - I think you and ******* must be having a contest to see which of you can post the ugliest pimp picture.  :shock:  :shock: [/b]


That was pretty bad. Didn't see many other pic, one I wasn't sure about. Suprised to see Steve C. was not among the mugshots.

Bet he was there.  The girl with Jerry is the one that Steve C has been "hanging" with.

They one in the white shirt?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 10:58:21 PM
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Was really hoping for some news today out of Aruba but I've learned over time that those in charge really don't get in a hurry to do anything.
It's like a basketball team being down by 4 with 10 seconds left looking a last minute shot.


Never any news on Fridays from Aruba.  :evil: Not only do they seem to function by  their own time clock, they also seem to have their own form of work weeks .......which seem to stop mid-day wednesdays. :wink:  :evil:

I'm noticing that BB, does that mean they only really work like 2 or 3 days a week? :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 20, 2007, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Here's what the urban dictionary says:

1. badonka donk is a big azz
 
Now I'm really going to bed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........

Geesh, I hope it's not ugly, I meant to flatter Mishy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 20, 2007, 11:03:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
This is for my Angie.  :smt056

Night, Ang.

 Night BT.. and I am heading out too..and TY  lol  :)


 Night everyone..

Hugs to NEMO ..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I decided to light a fire under Mishy!  :lol:
Now, she's cracking!  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/msy4.gif)


That is a good one, cbb.  I admit I was worried what you were going to do with the firecracker  :roll:
We would all be wagging our butts that close to the fire

 :shock:  :shock:  :lol: Worried about me?  :roll:

Tibro, Klaas has got you looking great for Aussie Day! I love it!


Yes, cbb.  Or do you only misbehave when you have your chicken offsider?  :lol:  :lol:

I will be flag waving during the week for our Anzac Day.  Details of the significance will be on my Aussie thread for 25th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Here's what the urban dictionary says:

1. badonka donk is a big azz
 
Now I'm really going to bed.


Uh-huh!
1. badonkadonk  1853 up, 122 down  
 
 An ‘ebonic’ expression for an extremely curvaceous female behind. Women who possess this feature usually have a small waist that violently explodes into a round and juicy posterior (e.g., 34c, 24, 38). Other characteristics would be moderately wide hips and a large amount of booty cleavage (i.e, depth of butt-crack).

Her badonkadonk made a brotha pop mad wheelies

 :shock:  :shock:
 

I'm not any ethnicity that I know of...........just sitting on my butt too much, while eating food!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Here's what the urban dictionary says:

1. badonka donk is a big azz
 
Now I'm really going to bed.

Well all I know is if you've seen the Trace Adkins music-vid, "Badonka Donk", the reference ain't meant in a bad way.
And -- Nite BT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 20, 2007, 11:08:37 PM
Haven't seen it Indy, but Mishy's lil butt is all twisty and cute!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 11:08:55 PM
IndyDan wrote;
Quote
I'm noticing that BB, does that mean they only really work like 2 or 3 days a week?


I am sure many would disagree, but things there move verrrrrry slow.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 20, 2007, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Here's what the urban dictionary says:

1. badonka donk is a big azz
 
Now I'm really going to bed.


Uh-huh!
1. badonkadonk  1853 up, 122 down  
 
 An ‘ebonic’ expression for an extremely curvaceous female behind. Women who possess this feature usually have a small waist that violently explodes into a round and juicy posterior (e.g., 34c, 24, 38). Other characteristics would be moderately wide hips and a large amount of booty cleavage (i.e, depth of butt-crack).

Her badonkadonk made a brotha pop mad wheelies

 :shock:  :shock:
 

I'm not any ethnicity that I know of...........just sitting on my butt too much, while eating food!  :lol:

Hey! Look what you started BOC, I was just jumping on the band wagon and now I'm back-peddling like a VanDerSloot.
Maybe it's time for me to check out too, NiteAll!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
bb - I think you and ******* must be having a contest to see which of you can post the ugliest pimp picture.  :shock:  :shock: [/b]


That was pretty bad. Didn't see many other pic, one I wasn't sure about. Suprised to see Steve C. was not among the mugshots.

Bet he was there.  The girl with Jerry is the one that Steve C has been "hanging" with.

They one in the white shirt?

Yep - she is Steve C's latest squeeze.  She's in almost all the recent photos with him:

(http://www.coolaruba.com/album/albums/APRIL%202007/FULL%20MOON%2014APRIL/Green_%2849%29.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:14:54 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
This is from March 21st:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SteveCroes032107.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:20:14 PM
Do those girls have no taste?  Or are they so used to seeing all these ugly guys that they think they are the norm?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Do those girls have no taste?  Or are they so used to seeing all these ugly guys that they think they are the norm?


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 11:21:19 PM
She looks to young and cute for SC (aka  Mr Cirrhosis)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
She looks to young and cute for SC (aka  Mr Cirrhosis)


Give her a few years  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 11:22:37 PM
No doubt.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Idol2.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll find it: SERIOUSLY! Give me a sec.........


Here's what the urban dictionary says:

1. badonka donk is a big azz
 
Now I'm really going to bed.


Uh-huh!
1. badonkadonk  1853 up, 122 down  
 
 An ‘ebonic’ expression for an extremely curvaceous female behind. Women who possess this feature usually have a small waist that violently explodes into a round and juicy posterior (e.g., 34c, 24, 38). Other characteristics would be moderately wide hips and a large amount of booty cleavage (i.e, depth of butt-crack).

Her badonkadonk made a brotha pop mad wheelies

 :shock:  :shock:
 

I'm not any ethnicity that I know of...........just sitting on my butt too much, while eating food!  :lol:

Hey! Look what you started BOC, I was just jumping on the band wagon and now I'm back-peddling like a VanDerSloot.
Maybe it's time for me to check out too, NiteAll!


 Blame it on me!  :shock:  :shock: Will ya!! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 11:24:22 PM
Last night I thought my avatar made me look like Slash(Guns n Roses), tonight I look more like Apollo Creed?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
She looks to young and cute for SC (aka  Mr Cirrhosis)


That is how the big blob likes them


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:26:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
She looks to young and cute for SC (aka  Mr Cirrhosis)


Give her a few years  :lol:


Yeah - they do tend to run to seed at an early age  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 20, 2007, 11:26:43 PM
(http://i.1asphost.com/RockyFan/apollo_creed.JPG)

Nite Monkeys......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:31:38 PM
A question :

If I transfer some of my pics in photobucket into a sub-folder (?) will I lose the connection to the ones I have already posted on SM?
I thought it would be easier to have ones I use on a regular basis like brooms etc in a smaller folder where they are easier to find instead of scrolling through hundreds of them in my bucket.
Or is there any easier way to store them which is faster to get at?
TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Last night I thought my avatar made me look like Slash(Guns n Roses), tonight I look more like Apollo Creed?


(http://www.totalrocky.com/shopping/misc/photo_apollol.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
A question :

If I transfer some of my pics in photobucket into a sub-folder (?) will I lose the connection to the ones I have already posted on SM?
I thought it would be easier to have ones I use on a regular basis like brooms etc in a smaller folder where they are easier to find instead of scrolling through hundreds of them in my bucket.
Or is there any easier way to store them which is faster to get at?
TIA

Yes, I think you will.  It will change the url. You can view all in your photobucket album and then do a search for the name, sometimes that helps.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 20, 2007, 11:34:30 PM
Nite Monks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Thanks Klaas.  Why didn't I think of that  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2007, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Nite Monks!

Nite BOC


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 20, 2007, 11:38:22 PM
Off to do some research for tonights Aussie article.
Must be doing something right as they still keeping reading it  :lol:
BBL.  Nite nite to all the monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 20, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
They grow them ugly,real UGLY on that island.Hope you feel better,BT.You are looking good,CBB.I like your flag,Klass.BOC,I didn't appreciate your humor,and robots,your time is up.Who is the ugly guy in the picture.He needs to be removed from the gene pool.I think the island could pop at any moment.Hey Tib,I will place a rose in Anzac Cove for you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 12:03:49 AM
trying for 50


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 12:04:37 AM
Mishy,I hope you are well.Please don't write me up,Lala's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 12:05:56 AM
You have a long way to go to reach page 50, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 12:21:00 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Do those girls have no taste?  Or are they so used to seeing all these ugly guys that they think they are the norm?


Hey Pretty Aruban Girls,

Get off that island!  Get an education!  Get a job!  Meet some nice, NORMAL young men!  There are plenty of them out there in the big wide world.  You don't have to be stuck with these jerks!

 :roll:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 21, 2007, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Off to do some research for tonights Aussie article.
Must be doing something right as they still keeping reading it  :lol:
BBL.  Nite nite to all the monkeys


Some of us might be contemplating a serious move. :lol:  Keep posting "stuff."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Leslie on April 21, 2007, 06:58:59 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 08:21:00 AM
Good Post,Anna.I hope that BT is feeling better


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 21, 2007, 08:34:55 AM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Good Post,Anna.I hope that BT is feeling better


Thank you for your good wishes, Tiger. I was awake all night with an upset tummy, muscle aches, and cold chills, but things seem to have settled down this morning. It must be a particularly viscious virus of some kind.

On the bright side - if I can't eat I'll be bound to lose some weight.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 09:00:39 AM
I hope you get well quickly.i am trying to get to 50.i know I have a ways to go.Who is the ugly fat guy with the aruban girl?Who are the two women mentioned in earlier post(bailey )?Are the VC's the only Dutch pimps left on Aruba?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 09:04:34 AM
I am still trying.Who wants the Hog,when i win it.I won before,so I want to share?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 09:05:31 AM
Where is everybody?Have I run monkeys off or is every monkey resting?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
Be careful of that diet,BT.You can really lose to much weight,in a hurry.I am still trying.I want to lurk and read,but no one is posting


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 21, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
just popping in to say hi monkeys...Leslie ty for the morning papaer...

Hi to mr and mrs red and klass  and all monkeys.
am keepin my bikini......until further notice......ty tho Klass


Be good
I gotta go get some sunshine therapy :lol:
will check back later and see if the page has turned...lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on April 21, 2007, 11:26:12 AM
Ms Marple filled me in today on what I've been missing.  Do you realize there are only about 6 or 7 weeks until June 9th?  Ugh I can't think of the smug Joran getting away with murder.

I'm doing OK.  Spent a few days in the ICU this week.  I started having chest pain.  My heart is normal, it was a panic attack.  Another pressure in my life caused it. not my upcoming case.

My court case is this coming Tuesday and I feel confident about it.  I am well prepared.  Clothes are ready, my book of facts is prepared, witnesses coming to court.  

After the court case is over I should be back on a regular basis instead of this hit and run stuff.

Take care everyone, and I will report in after the court case.

Love ya,
SunFreak


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 11:52:32 AM
Take care of yourself first,Sun Freak.You are a good monkey.Where is everyone?Hey FOM,keep the Bikini ,it looks good on a Monkey.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 21, 2007, 11:53:48 AM
Two articles from today's Amigoe.com ...

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Quote
I was introduced to Effy Namdar  

ORANJESTAD – Tourism-minister Edison Briesen says that he had an encounter with Effy Namdar on August 21st, 2006.  Royal Caribbean International arranged the introduction.  The cruise company wanted an agreement between Aruba and Namdar for the development of the harbour, said Briesen in a press conference yesterday.  

He also admits that he had contact with Michael Williams till September 2003.  The alleged bribery letter was addressed to Williams.  “The contact disintegrated due to problems with his water sport business and an incident with Minister Booshi Wever.”  

However, Amigoe was allowed access to the documents last week, from which it appears that Briesen still corresponded with Williams up till and including December 13th, 2004.  

The letters were about a permit for a stand for a water sport business in front of Occidental Grand Aruba that Williams wanted to start with a partner.  The documents show that Williams was appealing to Briesen to grant him the permit as soon as possible.  ”It is possible that letters were sent later, but the contact was no longer the same since 2003”, said Briesen in a reaction.  Briesen said during the press conference that Williams was indeed his campaign-leader in 2001 and attracted funds for the election campaign.  “Of course, you have to be very careful with that.  But at that time, I have never seen a letter from Namdar, or have accepted money as is asserted in the letter.”  

Briesen says that the contact with the Namdar Group is of August last year.  The encounter was organized by Royal Caribbean International, and other than Briesen, also the director of Aruba Ports Authority, Alfonso Boekhoudt was present.  

“Royal Caribbean wanted to introduce us to one of their business partners.  Later, they wanted us to sign an agreement with Namdar, but I refused.   I repeated the same again to John Tercek in Miami (during the Seatrade Convention last March, red.).  Tercek is the vice-president Commercial Developments of Royal Caribbean, and I told him that I do not sign anything with third parties.”  

“Why was Prime Minister Nelson Oduber so sure that he doesn’t know Namdar?”  Briesen: “I haven’t really talked to the Prime Minister about this.  I don’t know the contacts of the other ministers either.”

Oduber said in public that he does not do business with the Namdar Group and Briesen subscribes to this.  “As I said earlier, I already told Royal Caribbean this last year.”  The minister assented though that if the assignment for the harbour is allotted to the company, it will contract other parties for the execution.  “I cannot control that.”   Briesen says that no restriction on cooperation with third parties is included in the just signed declaration of intent.    

PROJECT WORTH MILLIONS  

According to the Tourism-minister, four parties have shown interest in the development of the harbour area; Trusam/Fresno, Barton Group, Cortez Group, and Royal Caribbean.  One of the ministers that was present at the presentation of Royal Caribbean’s plans told Amigoe the day before yesterday that other than a cruise terminal, the cruise company also wants to build a hotel and casino.  Briesen confirms this, but also says that he ‘is absolutely against another hotel and casino in the harbour area.  Let them go negotiate their passengers’ stay-over with the new owner of the Bushiri hotel.”

The minister says that Royal Caribbean’s plan is an investment of approximately 400 million florins.  In three months, after the negotiation, we will know what Royal Caribbean is allowed to do.
 

 

Quote
Taxpayer is stuck with the inefficiency of Dimas  

ORANJESTAD – The LAR-judge has 500 cases against Dimas for the refusal of residence permits and the court has another 400 lawsuits pending.  These cases and the fines imposed by the judge cost the government or taxpayer a lot of money, 200.000 to 2 million florins.  

The permit policy of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) was already chaotic; this became worse when Booshi Wever (also MEP) of Immigration Affairs took this over.

Monica Kock (MPA) says that it is unacceptable that the taxpayer is stuck with the inefficiency of Dimas.  She says that she voted in favour of the new National Ordinance Admittance and Deportation (LTU), because she was of the opinion that the unlimited growth of the number of foreigners on the island had to stop.  But she says that the problems Aruba is coping with now result from the fact that the law is passed without implementation order.  Dimas is implementing the law incorrectly and inhumanely.  

“Something is definitely wrong when 900 people take Dimas to court.  But they just continue working as if nothing matters.  It minister Wever had to pay all the fines and costs from his own pocket, won’t you think that this will stop.  But the population pays.  Nobody at Dimas cares.  How long do the people have to pay for the negligence of Dimas or the minister?”

People that can afford to appeal a refusal, take it to court.  The court- and legal costs, which are a minimum of 1500 florins per case and 1000 florins fine imposed on a daily basis in case of non-compliance, are to the account of the government.  There is a case where the amount of the fine increased to 40.000 florins and the aggrieved party had to attach the bank account of the tax department.

Kock says that the inefficiency of Dimas is slowly but surely getting across to several other government departments and it leads to irritations.  The Legislation Department does not have sufficient lawyers to defend the government in all the lawsuits.  The Finance Department is also starting worry, now that they realize that the amount in fines can no longer be neglected.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
AMBER ALERT IN PA>amber alert in Pa.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Klass,tes has shown an Amber Alert in Pa.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 11:59:41 AM
Klass,you have mail


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Klass,tes has shown an Amber Alert in Pa.


I'm looking now


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 12:09:37 PM
This is what I'm finding:

Amber Alert Issued for 4 Year Old Pennsylvania Girl
Posted: Monday April 16, 2007: 3 PM CDT


The Pennsylvania State Police has issued an Amber Child Abduction Alert for the Pennsylvania State Police, Embreeville Station, Chester County. The child was abducted from Coatesville, Pennsylvania. Click for map of Coatesville, Pennsylvania

Alexis Roadside, a 4 year old white female child, approximately 3 feet tall and thirty five pounds. Her hair was recently cropped and dyed black.

 She was reported abducted by Veronica Roadside, a 41 year old white female with blonde hair, approximately five feet tall and 100 lbs.

The vehicle used in the abduction is described as a 1993 white Buick sedan bearing Pennsylvania Registration GKK-4359.

Anyone with information should call 911.

Alexis Roadside
(http://codeamber.org/images/roadsidepa.jpg)

Veronica Roadside
(http://codeamber.org/images/roadsidepa_perp.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 12:21:32 PM
KRISTEN FOUNDATION NAMED FOR CHARLOTTE TEEN

Mission still exists, but money dwindles

Nonprofit struggles for funds to track missing adults, founder says

JENNY SONG
jsong@charlotteobserver.com


Every year for the past decade, Debbie and Bob Modafferi have left for California on a journey fraught with both sorrow and hope.

Ten years ago, they were looking for their daughter. Kristen Modafferi of Charlotte was 18 when she went missing during a summer working in San Francisco. The Modafferis are still looking for answers.

They have hired private investigators and erected billboards using money raised by the Kristen Foundation, a charity organized after Kristen's disappearance that helps find missing adults across the country.

But the money, said Joan Petruski, the Modafferis' neighbor and founder of the organization, has been increasingly difficult to raise.

She's expecting about 100 people for the annual Crystal Ball fundraiser tonight at the Carmel Country Club. In previous years, almost 200 attended.

"It's been a struggle," Petruski said. She hopes to raise $15,000, mostly from the ball's auction.

Lack of money means fewer families can be helped, said Petruski, who is the foundation's only full-time worker. One way the money is used is to buy search-and-rescue equipment, such as cameras for rescue planes or underwater cameras.

Charlotteans tend not to understand the foundation's purpose, Petruski said. Missing adults are different from disease research or even missing children.

And so is the accompanying feeling, said Debbie Modafferi, Kristen's mother, who will attend tonight's Crystal Ball.

"It's not like you've lost a child to illness," she said. "Because you're still waiting for her to come home. Because there's no closure."

Ten years, however, is a long time to wait. Modafferi acknowledges that it's unlikely that Kristen is still alive.

"We still want the answers," she said. "We want to bring her home, even if she is gone."

David Holloway's family has been a beneficiary of the Kristen Foundation since his daughter Natalee disappeared during a trip to Aruba in 2005. He said thoughts of the missing never go away.

"I try to keep myself busy," he said from Meridian, Miss. "But you lay down at night or get up in the morning and start thinking, always thinking about what happened. It's always running through your mind."

Petruski said that part of what she does is to be somebody who families can talk to. As for herself, she bakes when she feels down.

"It's not dinner conversation, what I do," she said. "Is it depressing? Very much so sometimes. But the only thing that is so sad about it is my funds are low and I have a waiting list of families that need my help."

Want to Help?

To contribute, visit www.kristenfoundation.org.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/115/story/93730.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 12:42:04 PM
Every post gets us closer to 50.Where is everyone.Hilary got a 200.00 dollar wax job,on her back.Is that a lot or average.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Every post gets us closer to 50.Where is everyone.Hilary got a 200.00 dollar wax job,on her back.Is that a lot or average.

 :lol:  :lol:
I have not a clue.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 12:52:34 PM
Tiger after this post we have about 48 posts until we hit page 50.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
I don't either.Barack said he doesn't get 400.00 dollar haircuts or 200.00 wax jobs.I wonder how long we will have to wait,for news from the island.I missed the problem with the two women and who was that ugly guy,pictured earlier from the island


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: "San"
Tiger after this post we have about 48 posts until we hit page 50.

I think we will get there before 6:00 pm. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 12:56:38 PM
i am doing my best.San,do you own a Glock?I heard one go off by accident at a kids movie and heard one go off at a soccer game.I have been told the safeties are good


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 21, 2007, 01:01:47 PM
On the Hunt for Page 50 - I did my bit; read the morning papers and posted a few things.

Been doing my Saturday stuff (boring) and have to do some errands.

Hi SunFreak, San, Tiger (if y'all are still here). And klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:03:16 PM
I can't lurk when no one posts.I did ask a couple question.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
i am doing my best.San,do you own a Glock?I heard one go off by accident at a kids movie and heard one go off at a soccer game.I have been told the safeties are good

Tiger I do not own a Glock.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
On the Hunt for Page 50 - I did my bit; read the morning papers and posted a few things.

Been doing my Saturday stuff (boring) and have to do some errands.

Hi SunFreak, San, Tiger (if y'all are still here). And klaas.

Hi msmarple.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:08:12 PM
O/T

New recalls posted in the Monkey Lounge on the recall thread.

Some of Royal Canin this time.  NOT their Baby Puppy and mini Puppy I have been using.

At least so far.  The RICE again.  Corn gluten effected in Africa so now we have wheat, rice and corn all involved.

FDA suspects it is deliberate to up the protein content.

On and on it goes.  

 :?  All mine are thriving now, thankfully.  The cheaper brands seem to be less effected than the premiums.  Pedigree and Puina seem to have fewer things recalled.  Go figure!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I don't either.Barack said he doesn't get 400.00 dollar haircuts or 200.00 wax jobs.I wonder how long we will have to wait,for news from the island.I missed the problem with the two women and who was that ugly guy,pictured earlier from the island


Tiger I think Aruba will make the announcement on a day we will not expect them to.  That is how they did it since the beginning of this case.  They would issue a ruling on or towards our biggest holidays and I don't expect them to change their pattern.  They even ruled to release Joran a few days before his original release date to try and keep it on the hush.  Those idiots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:14:16 PM
Yes,I have been using the less costly brands,for my litter.Road kill is safe ,also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:16:17 PM
I think you are correct on the timing.I was wondering about Glocks in general.i do not,nor want a pistol.I am a shotgun person,if anything.i still wonder about the guy in the picture and the comparison.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I think you are correct on the timing.I was wondering about Glocks in general.i do not,nor want a pistol.I am a shotgun person,if anything.i still wonder about the guy in the picture and the comparison.

I think I missed something.  What guy in what picture?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:20:13 PM
Klaas,
I don't think this is a duplicate and hope not as I thought our translation was from MF.  This was taken from crimelibrary.com forum.

Post:

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/March/15/A-15-3-07.pdf


Translated by Arubagirl (an avid Aruba/VDS supporter):

Oranjestad - Something unusual happened Tuesday morning during the swearing-in ceremony of the three Scribes to the Court who are Maikel Oduber, Navio Valdez and Edwin de Weever and the three lawyers mr. Foy, mr. Vis and mr. Bryson.

What happened is that Advocate General mr. Jorg, in front of all the lawyers present, among them mr. Van Der Sloot as well, decided to question the statement of Mr. Van Der Sloot that was published in Amigoe. The reaction of Mr. Jorg was a surprise to all thouse present and especially to mr. Van Der Sloot himself.

Bon Dia Aruba was present when mr. Jorg was to give a speech related to the lawyers that had been sworn in. At a certain moment the speech changed to the subject about the relationship between advocacy and the Department of Justice.

Mr. Jorg expressed himself in a very diplomatic way, but to everybody present it was very clear that he was referring to mr. Van Der Sloot. He questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot went to look for publicity by giving a statement to Amigoe and make certain statements that mr. Jorg never experienced. He refers here to the fact that lawyers and prosecutors publicly refer to each other as idiots. Mr. Jorg said that he hopes that this not become a habit. He said that he thinks we won't come very far by insulting each other. He made a call to change these actions to a better way to relate to each other.

Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics. Mr. Jorg remarked that these are large words but they demand arguments to show this as well. He finds that the argument cannot only consist of comparing the importance of finding the missing young lady against "all sorts of idiocy" from the other side. Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance.

Mr. Jorg continued to say that what he finds very strange is that on one hand the magistrates of the Department of Justice get questioned but on the other hand the Police get accused of not "have followed through" with the interrogation of a suspect. Mr. Jorg referred to the fact that in the Code of Criminal Procedings, a suspect has the right to remain silent. If this
is violated, then the case can even appear in front of the European Human Rights court. He thinks this observation [referring to the police] is absurd.

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.
-----------

Oh, my my my my my. Thank you for posting this, Phoenix. This is certainly an article-full. Slap down is right! Oh, and the SUSPICION they are harboring of Paulus. Apparently, many of us were right about that dark cloud following the VDS family thanks to Joran.

We can certainly see where Joran gets his infamous temper from. Apple/tree. Looks like Paulus needs a copy of "How to win friends and influence people."



"He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police."

"Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speechbut that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it."

"Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics."

"Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance."

JMO

###

I like this interpretation as it seems even more devastating to PVDS.

 :D

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
I think you are correct on the timing.I was wondering about Glocks in general.i do not,nor want a pistol.I am a shotgun person,if anything.i still wonder about the guy in the picture and the comparison.



You have to slide that top thingy back to make a Glock fire.  I don't see how one could accidentally go off.  I traded mine for a Lady Smith and Wesson .38 revolver because I could not slide that top back, was too stiff to do in a hurry and my trainer said it was NOT a good weapon for me.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Yes,I have been using the less costly brands,for my litter.Road kill is safe ,also.


Great idea and I just happen to have a box of Road Kill Helper!

. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:24:26 PM
Anna - yes we posted that.  I think Red did a front page on it as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Anna - yes we posted that.  I think Red did a front page on it as well.



Sorry, I knew we posted it but thought I had found a different translation, guess I should have looked first!

For some reason I thought our translation came from the non trustworty MF.  I still trust Arubagirl more.

And I don't think she is so pro Sloot as that poster implied.  Just pro Aruban which is understandable.

Again, sorry, thought it was different and more damaging translation than I remembered.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Yes,I have been using the less costly brands,for my litter.Road kill is safe ,also.


Great idea and I just happen to have a box of Road Kill Helper!

. :D


You might like to use some of this on it  :lol:
http://roadkillbbqsauce.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RoadKill.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:29:26 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Anna - yes we posted that.  I think Red did a front page on it as well.



Sorry, I knew we posted it but thought I had found a different translation, guess I should have looked first!

For some reason I thought our translation came from the non trustworty MF.  I still trust Arubagirl more.

And I don't think she is so pro Sloot as that poster implied.  Just pro Aruban which is understandable.

Again, sorry, thought it was different and more damaging translation than I remembered.

.

No problem at all.  Good to read it again.  I don't think it's a different translation because the one we had was from Arubagirl as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:30:41 PM
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Anna on April 21, 2007, 01:30:53 PM
LOL @ Klaas!  Good idea! :lol:

No shortage of the real thing, possum, here, though.  I saw one one time backing into the road to get run over, that's how crazy they are!

. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

On that one, back to working. . . . lurking. . . .

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:32:33 PM
Well I have used that sauce,but I generaly make Brunswick stew.any meat goes well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:33:20 PM
I am doing my part of inane comments to reach 50


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Well I have used that sauce,but I generaly make Brunswick stew.any meat goes well.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/MrsFearnows.JPG)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:36:49 PM
San,a very ugly unpleasant looking guy in a bar in Aruba.Anyone know who he is or was.Don't knock possem until you have tried it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.

I didn't remember that being Freddy with Deepak.  I remember Deepak wasn't real happy his photo was taken as he was entering CnC.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:38:35 PM
San,that was the picture.There was a picture of someone and a young woman,just wondering who?I think he had a green shirt


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
San,a very ugly unpleasant looking guy in a bar in Aruba.Anyone know who he is or was.Don't knock possem until you have tried it


Do you mean Jerry Strawberry?  The guy who looks like the sketch?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:40:11 PM
The ugly one.Who is he?He looks mean,ugly and fat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.

I didn't remember that being Freddy with Deepak.  I remember Deepak wasn't real happy his photo was taken as he was entering CnC.

Yes I remember that photo Klaas because I posted it.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/DeepakFreddy.jpg)

For some reason this guy in the bandana looks familiar also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:42:11 PM
we are almost at 50.yeah.someone else start posting,because i like to lurk.I think someone commented she looked good and young and some else said that would go away quickly


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:42:53 PM
Different picture.The guy and the girl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.

I didn't remember that being Freddy with Deepak.  I remember Deepak wasn't real happy his photo was taken as he was entering CnC.

Klaas I wanted to add that is definitely Freddy with Deepak.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
The ugly one.Who is he?He looks mean,ugly and fat.


If you mean this guy, his name is Jerry (cheremy) Strawberry.  He is friends with Steve Croes.  It's been said he is a Mongoloid and is slightly +++++++, I don't know if that's true.


(http://www.coolaruba.com/album/albums/APRIL%202007/FULL%20MOON%2014APRIL/Green_%2849%29.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.

I didn't remember that being Freddy with Deepak.  I remember Deepak wasn't real happy his photo was taken as he was entering CnC.

Klaas I wanted to add that is definitely Freddy with Deepak.

Thanks San, I just didn't remember.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:44:33 PM
Well,I have to cut Grass now,not smoke it.I have some Ben ANd Jerry's magic Brownies and some other stuff


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 21, 2007, 01:45:34 PM
Yes,that one.Downs syndrome,but he still looks mean


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Tiger"
Anna,we have a lot of possum here that Road kill helper is great with,and Venison stretcher.San the pictures from Aruba,earlier,around the ones with jamie and Freddy.

I didn't see any pictures with the two rapists Jamie and Freddy.  I remember I posted one of Deepak and Freddy last night.

I didn't remember that being Freddy with Deepak.  I remember Deepak wasn't real happy his photo was taken as he was entering CnC.

Klaas I wanted to add that is definitely Freddy with Deepak.

Thanks San, I just didn't remember.

Just pisses me off that the two main suspects returned to the scene where they took Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Yes,that one.Downs syndrome,but he still looks mean


Yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:48:15 PM
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.

I agree Klaas it is normal for them.  But with all the trouble that these two were in you would think they would keep away.  They knew the press was all over that island and they still met at CnC's.  This was the first time we saw them together after Natalee went missing.  Why are they together especially after Deepak was screaming to Joran that Freddy needs to tell the truth.  Who else was at CnC's that they met there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.

I agree Klaas it is normal for them.  But with all the trouble that these two were in you would think they would keep away.  They knew the press was all over that island and they still met at CnC's.  This was the first time we saw them together after Natalee went missing.  Why are they together especially after Deepak was screaming to Joran that Freddy needs to tell the truth.  Who else was at CnC's that they met there.


I look at those photos of Joran, Deepak, Freddy and Bailey Ann on her last night in Aruba.  An indication right there that Freddy is most likely involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.

I agree Klaas it is normal for them.  But with all the trouble that these two were in you would think they would keep away.  They knew the press was all over that island and they still met at CnC's.  This was the first time we saw them together after Natalee went missing.  Why are they together especially after Deepak was screaming to Joran that Freddy needs to tell the truth.  Who else was at CnC's that they met there.


I look at those photos of Joran, Deepak, Freddy and Bailey Ann on her last night in Aruba.  An indication right there that Freddy is most likely involved.

Yes I agree.

But in that picture with Deepak and Freddy they met for a reason.  I don't think it was just for a night out.  Deepak nearly jumped out of his skin when he saw that he was spotted.  Hummm I wonder if Deepak was wearing a wire :wink: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.

I agree Klaas it is normal for them.  But with all the trouble that these two were in you would think they would keep away.  They knew the press was all over that island and they still met at CnC's.  This was the first time we saw them together after Natalee went missing.  Why are they together especially after Deepak was screaming to Joran that Freddy needs to tell the truth.  Who else was at CnC's that they met there.


I look at those photos of Joran, Deepak, Freddy and Bailey Ann on her last night in Aruba.  An indication right there that Freddy is most likely involved.

Yes I agree.

But in that picture with Deepak and Freddy they met for a reason.  I don't think it was just for a night out.  Deepak nearly jumped out of his skin when he saw that he was spotted.  Hummm I wonder if Deepak was wearing a wire :wink: .


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/arubamarch84.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Look at the time that Deepak entered CnC's 1.00 am closing time again.  I don't have any doubt that Freddy was present the night they Kidnapped Natalee.

San - I do think picking up tourists a closing time is normal for them.  They get the girls when they are drunk and take advantage of them.  To them this is normal and OK.  They don't see anything wrong with it because the girls were asking for it by drinking.

I agree Klaas it is normal for them.  But with all the trouble that these two were in you would think they would keep away.  They knew the press was all over that island and they still met at CnC's.  This was the first time we saw them together after Natalee went missing.  Why are they together especially after Deepak was screaming to Joran that Freddy needs to tell the truth.  Who else was at CnC's that they met there.


I look at those photos of Joran, Deepak, Freddy and Bailey Ann on her last night in Aruba.  An indication right there that Freddy is most likely involved.

Yes I agree.

But in that picture with Deepak and Freddy they met for a reason.  I don't think it was just for a night out.  Deepak nearly jumped out of his skin when he saw that he was spotted.  Hummm I wonder if Deepak was wearing a wire :wink: .


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/arubamarch84.jpg)

Yep.  I think Freddy was at CnC's that night.  I also believe there were two separate groups of Joran's friends.  Freddy, Jamie, Koen, Sander, Guido, GVC.  They were all present and who ever got the girl first they called each other to let them know mission accomplished meet me at my house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 02:19:19 PM
On that particular night it was the Van der Sloot home because Anita was away with the other two boys and Joran had the run of the house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 02:20:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/DeepakFreddy.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/DeepakFreddy2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 21, 2007, 02:21:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 603

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1081


Title: Lively Case Discussion #602 4/17 - 4/21/2007
Post by: San on April 21, 2007, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/DeepakFreddy.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/DeepakFreddy2.jpg)


Yep.