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Natalee Holloway => Natalee Holloway => Topic started by: Spock on July 21, 2006, 09:02:45 PM



Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 21, 2006, 09:02:45 PM
Earlier this month, I spent alot of time reviewing the Chicago videos at BFN. I did capture some stills which haven't made it to any of the threads at Scared Monkeys. It is not my desire to repeat any of the hard work done here, but these "new" photos may reveal some things you may not have seen before. When I get some time I will add SM to the credits.


This sequence comes from Aru-Bay video 38.

What could they be applying the white "paint" to ?

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/stain1.png)

There are red areas on the rock face:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/stain2.png)

There are red areas in the crevice:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/stain3.png)

I will add a few more photos as time goes on. Look forward to your comments.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: mrs. red on July 21, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
wow I never saw the red before..


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 21, 2006, 11:40:17 PM
Here the police and forensics teams are pointing at and discussing the rock and crevice:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/stain10.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 21, 2006, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
wow I never saw the red before..


That is what made that particular series so interesting.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 22, 2006, 12:11:21 AM
This sequence is from Video 5. The man with the tarp points at and then touches the object. Next the object is photographed.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/Spock_01/th_chicago5objectaboveandbehindrockavi.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/Spock_01/?action=view&current=chicago5objectaboveandbehindrockavi.flv)

Point to the Object:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/pointtoobject2-1.png)

Touch the Object:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/touchcliped.png)

The object is now visible above and behind the rock
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/TurnedObjectforPhotograph-1.png)

Another view of the object:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/original1b.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 22, 2006, 12:14:53 AM
The object is then photographed:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/Rock%20set/takingpicture-1.png)

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/Rock%20set/flip0.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 22, 2006, 01:09:16 AM
Two other views of the object above and behind the rock:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/highlightcomposite.png)

Another view of the investigation team and the object:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/Rock%20set/original2highlight.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Anna on August 19, 2006, 06:57:36 PM
.
Spock,
I hope you will see this post after it has been so long since you posted these photos.  At the time I thought that some of the photos almost appear to show a big black dog like a Rottweiler.  Note the part of something black in the crevice of the rocks looks just like a front leg and paw of a Rottie.

I was reluctant to say this since the topic is somebody's possibly deceased child and I catch far more than my fair share of flak already and am in fact on a hiatus while some tire of attacking me but I did want to direct you to posts this morning on the main forum by Blah and Easy about a website concerning dogs.

Since I am a dog breeder, I also thought my opinion this would be so discounted as to not even be considered as I am seeing dogs everywhere, etc. but I ask you to look again at the first photo and what it is in that crevice and see if it looks like a front leg and paw to you.

We have all looked at the photos until it is like looking at clouds for me.  Say it is there and I think I see it but not enough to be sure.  But this about a big black dog was not suggested to me by anybody and what I really thought when I first saw your enlargements, I was just fearful of saying so.  Now we learn that some people find a connection to at least a passing interest in bestiality by friends of the suspects.

Is anything too insane for this tragedy?  Thanks for your efforts and please if you read this, post what you see if anything along these lines and I will read it.

Anna


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: SunnyinTX on August 19, 2006, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
wow I never saw the red before..


That is what made that particular series so interesting.


I haven't seen this in so much detail...thanks Spock!!


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: klaasend on August 19, 2006, 07:07:30 PM
There are 2 or 3 dogs in some of the rock videos.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: SunnyinTX on August 19, 2006, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
.
Spock,
I hope you will see this post after it has been so long since you posted these photos.  At the time I thought that some of the photos almost appear to show a big black dog like a Rottweiler.  Note the part of something black in the crevice of the rocks looks just like a front leg and paw of a Rottie.

I was reluctant to say this since the topic is somebody's possibly deceased child and I catch far more than my fair share of flak already and am in fact on a hiatus while some tire of attacking me but I did want to direct you to posts this morning on the main forum by Blah and Easy about a website concerning dogs.

Since I am a dog breeder, I also thought my opinion this would be so discounted as to not even be considered as I am seeing dogs everywhere, etc. but I ask you to look again at the first photo and what it is in that crevice and see if it looks like a front leg and paw to you.

We have all looked at the photos until it is like looking at clouds for me.  Say it is there and I think I see it but not enough to be sure.  But this about a big black dog was not suggested to me by anybody and what I really thought when I first saw your enlargements, I was just fearful of saying so.  Now we learn that some people find a connection to at least a passing interest in bestiality by friends of the suspects.

Is anything too insane for this tragedy?  Thanks for your efforts and please if you read this, post what you see if anything along these lines and I will read it.

Anna


Hi Anna!  I am so glad to see you here.  Do you think they would go to so much trouble if this were a dog or any other animal.....not after seeing that poor donkey in the dump!!


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on August 20, 2006, 06:23:57 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/compositeofobject.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on August 20, 2006, 06:24:59 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/newframelabelednooutline.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on August 20, 2006, 06:28:56 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h302/BeamMeUp_photos/Rock%20set/shoes2larger-1.png)


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Tylergal on September 06, 2006, 12:56:57 AM
Somehow or other there were dogs used in the commission of crime against Natalee.  Very troubling. Koen knows, Freddy knows, Sander knows and someone told me told me that Guido knows an awful, awful lot.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: thirdstrike on September 06, 2006, 01:00:59 AM
Hello everyone!!  Hope all are well...

What are we discussing this evening?


Title: Thoughts Chicago Videos
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 02:39:30 AM
Little slow at getting around to all the Threads here...

Why would a complete team like this be at a site just that have dogs there?

No something else is going on and so soon
after Natalee's disappearance. This sight has never been fully explained by the Aruban government and their ALA and needs to be addressed.

And then they wonder why a boycott??

The government announces that Natalee's body is recovered and then retracks it.

What happened to the turnip truck? that they thought Natalee's family, the Americans and we were on? :lol:  :twisted:

What are the dates of these videos?

Are they one the same Chicago videos as the supposedly a 1/2 of a body, head, et al pictures that Carpe has worked on that appear near the spot very near the Fisherman's Huts with the road leading to the Pond etc and mentioned on the http://www.scaredmonkeys.com Front page which is a different site than here?


Title: A suggestion
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 02:47:32 AM
Spock a suggestion please

I don't know if it is too late to have Klaas put another word in your title.. but if she could put in "Rocks" in your title, also, then those using the search for info on the rocks ie: these videos would see them. We, oldies, here know the term "Chicago Videos" but maybe some who search here and don't have to be members would only search under "rocks"... never know when someone will see info that could crack the case and either tell Law Enforcement or others about it, in private that will tell those that need to know without the org. source getting hurt.

The public can read all that is here


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: MsVada on April 12, 2007, 10:49:54 AM
bump


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on April 26, 2007, 08:02:16 PM
Been gone awhile. I believe there is something to these videos and to the stills I captured from them. Jossy Mansur said his sources told him this rock scene was the recovery of a young boy dead and buried for more than a year. That explanation simply doesn't explain the painting of the rocks and the red stains among the rocks. In several views you can clearly see the side profile of someone's head sticking just above the top of the rock, a few moments later the "object is photographed by the police team. I don't see how that can be a year old corpse. The other part of the videos that captured my attention is the bag found in the drainage basin, right next to the fishermans huts. If you look at the image, you can see an image of a young ladies face in one corner of the bag with the rest of the bag allowing for the rest of a possible body.

The videos were taken by a local radio station DJ who received a tip concerning the NH investigation. He has refused to cooperate with any inquires regarding the authenticity of the videos. It is claimed the videos were shot about ten days after the dissapearance of NH.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Spock on July 02, 2007, 01:58:52 AM
I am going to bump this thread. Honestly guys, take a look at these photos.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: AZSunny on July 02, 2007, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I am going to bump this thread. Honestly guys, take a look at these photos.


Spock, Please tell me exactly what you think you see in these pictures. I start imagining I see all sorts of objects, but I can't tell if they are shadows.


Title: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: klaasend on July 03, 2007, 12:14:17 AM
Spock - I agree this is a crime scene and I do believe in the NH case.  What I feel I can definately see in the rock photos is blood on the rocks.  I believe either Natalee was found there or a bloody crime scene was found there.


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Vicki on August 16, 2007, 09:51:21 AM
aas, I believe it is also....which is so sad....


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: sirensong on August 16, 2007, 05:11:39 PM
I believe that it is a crime scene also.  It makes me think of Joran saying Depak brought two dogs.  And this video was filmed around the time they were saying Natalee had been found.  I can't even believe Jossy would believe a story about it being a kid who was buried for a year.  I have my reservations about Jossy and always have.  It is all so very sad.  I wish that no one would ever go to Aruba, it is not safe and is uncivilized.  What they have done to Nat's family is unbelievably evil.


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 16, 2007, 06:24:19 PM
This talk of dogs connected to Natalee's case reminds me of a homicide commited here years ago. An ex con named Leon Williams broke into a man's rural and isolated home, and killed him. Williams then brought in Dobermans to try to get them to eat the body, before setting the house on fire.

Didn't work. The dogs weren't particulary interested, the fire was quickly determined to be arson, and remains were found. William's sentence was commuted from death to life several years ago, for some reason.


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: sharon on August 16, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
Definitely one of the crime scenes.

Initially I thought it was the place of the 'something bad' happening.

And then sometimes I think it was the step before Carpe's white plastic bag contents. :sad:

Not good either way. But I really think the rocks 'know'.



Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: nuntukamen on September 28, 2007, 10:07:37 PM
thanks for the rocks/mystery scene photos

one of the members on another blog actually gave some of the white substance he found after the fact to tim miller...could be a big deal if it relates to natalee


this could be where the pimps in group were waiting, especially if the beach story is another red herring lie by joran


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Vicki on November 17, 2007, 09:51:44 AM
How in Gods name can anyone with a soul have hurt her...these ppl are worse than animals...they have no morals..to live with this and not break after 2.5 years....they are demons..I still cry when I think of the things they did to this angel..Gods child....who had so much to live for...I hope they burn in HELL for all eternity....


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: nuntukamen on November 17, 2007, 05:16:42 PM
well, just getting them arrested would be nice, and then all that other stuff can happen, too...

it is astounding they have stayed the silence all this time


Title: Re: New screen captures of the Rocks-Chicago Videos
Post by: Tamikosmom on November 17, 2007, 05:42:54 PM
How in Gods name can anyone with a soul have hurt her...these ppl are worse than animals...they have no morals..to live with this and not break after 2.5 years....they are demons..I still cry when I think of the things they did to this angel..Gods child....who had so much to live for...I hope they burn in HELL for all eternity....

Vicki ... if I let my guard down ... my emotions are a reflection of yours but ... when I reflect on Beth's words to Dana Pretzer on October 16, 2007 ... words of faith that imply that there are so many involved in what happened that fateful morning in regards to her precious daughter as well as the subsequent cover-up ...  one glorious day … there will be a break.

My ongoing prayer is that somebody will bow … seek God's forgiveness ... seek the forgiveness of Natalee's family and … reveal the truth ... the whole truth.

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!
________

Art Wood
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
December 2, 2005


WOOD: … The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards