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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 09:37:34 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 09:54:15 PM
and the monkey hits the button!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 27, 2007, 09:54:57 PM
Geez - what a traffic jam.  monkeys everywhere trying to get in the new cage....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 09:55:17 PM
Everyone get ready for GRETA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 09:55:18 PM
Wow, couldn't find new thread... haaaaaa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 27, 2007, 09:56:19 PM
Thought I better repost.   I hear my hubby saying HELP!

Have to go help hubby with supper but I will be back shortly in the next thread! Wild horses couldn't keep me away now.

It is great to see everyone here! It's almost like the old days with out all the poo slinging!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Everyone get ready for GRETA


Yes, I wonder what she is "inclined" to believe these days.  HOpe she did her homework and has read up on the J Monter's statements on his book tour.... you know about how he still lies...  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 09:56:37 PM
My heavens!  That is first time in ages I caught my tail in the door...ouch!  Okay, where were we?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 09:56:51 PM
see ya after Great!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 09:57:08 PM
Klaas? Do you have ldstlou's original avatar?

ldstlou, do you have it by any chance?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Everyone get ready for GRETA


Where are our monkey scribes?  Oh, I hope they are listening.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 09:57:46 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas? Do you have ldstlou's original avatar?

ldstlou, do you have it by any chance?


Somewhere...do you have it Klaas?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 09:58:01 PM
Do we know she's going to cover it tonight?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Do we know she's going to cover it tonight?


I'll e-mail it to Klaas after Greta..thanks!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas? Do you have ldstlou's original avatar?

ldstlou, do you have it by any chance?


Somewhere...do you have it Klaas?


If somebody could post it in the lounge, I'd really appreciate it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Klaas? Do you have ldstlou's original avatar?

ldstlou, do you have it by any chance?

I'll look...might be after Greta


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: terryd270 on April 27, 2007, 10:00:19 PM
Goodnight Angiex911dsptchr, Bobo2, BTgirl, casa, crazymom, greeneyedlady, Hotshot, hummingbird7525, IndyDan, klaasend, ldstlou, MAca, Nut44x4, *******, Rob, Sam, SunnyinTX, tcumom, Tibrogargan and yapperz1..  I will talk to you later and its great seeing you all..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
Set up a tent and brought  3 dogs, a judge, and prosecutor with them. Took many black bags with them........

dug some holes. Very secretive


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:01:27 PM
Good Nite Terry.. I'll see you again soon!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Everyone get ready for GRETA

I'm there, got the Closed Caption on! Of course it will be the last 5 minutes of the show after she rehashes the Baldwin visit on the View for 45 minutes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:02:30 PM
Metal rods and shovels. Not based on a hunch: a lead. (Jossy)

Completed their work in 8 hours. No arrests.

Didn't go to Kalpoe's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: casa on April 27, 2007, 10:02:34 PM
Angie, I was typing you a reply and got locked in the other cage!!!  She told me that she had talked to you.  Bless her heart, it is hard to be away from her computer and tv!  We will definitely keep her informed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:02:34 PM
Jossy on Greta .. search not based on hunch in Jossy's opinion...they were there 8 hours.. no arrests.. did not go to Kalpoes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Goodnight Angiex911dsptchr, Bobo2, BTgirl, casa, crazymom, greeneyedlady, Hotshot, hummingbird7525, IndyDan, klaasend, ldstlou, MAca, Nut44x4, *******, Rob, Sam, SunnyinTX, tcumom, Tibrogargan and yapperz1..  I will talk to you later and its great seeing you all..


  Goodnight sweety.   It was great to see you Sweet dreams to yah!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 10:03:47 PM
Shoot, Monkeys everywhere do not know if I will even make the first page of the thread.
I guess this is the place to be.

In total there are 78 users online :: 25 Registered, 0 Hidden and 53 Guests [ Administrator ] [ Moderator ]
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Title: Jackhammers
Post by: IBE on April 27, 2007, 10:04:00 PM
On Greta now

To me, jackhammers and Porta Potties mean some really "no shit" work going on (sorry for pun) Jackhammers to mean mean cement work big time!!!

Go Dutch Go... Give Natalee the justice is deserves... it could have been your daughter!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:04:10 PM
did Jossy just say that Paulus is still not back at home?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:04:34 PM
Jossy said they brought a Judge and Prosecutor with them at the VDS.

They had medal rods and shovels.  He doesn't thing they were looking for a body.  He thinks they are looking for an unspecific lead.

They complete their work and they retired to where ever they are staying in Aruba.

They did not go to the Kalpoe residence.

Greta said you think they are being complete in finishing something they didn't do two years ago.

Joran is still in school in the Netherlands.

Paulus was in the courthouse and the informed him and he went to his home and then he left.

KJ is in Holland and is completely removed from this.

People in charge of this are the people from Holland.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: SunnyinTX on April 27, 2007, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Goodnight Angiex911dsptchr, Bobo2, BTgirl, casa, crazymom, greeneyedlady, Hotshot, hummingbird7525, IndyDan, klaasend, ldstlou, MAca, Nut44x4, *******, Rob, Sam, SunnyinTX, tcumom, Tibrogargan and yapperz1..  I will talk to you later and its great seeing you all..


Good Night Terry!  The thread closed before I could even tell you hello!!   It's so good to see you!   and it's off with me too....5am comes awfully early! Let's just hope that this is really a new beginnng that will bring an end to the injustice and bring about real Justice for Natalee  Night y'all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:04:57 PM
Jossy: Opinion: Review of case caused this search
Joran's in Netherlands . Anita and Paul weren't home. Paul went to his home before search, left, and then they searched.

Rudy Croes requested the members of the forensic institute do this investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:06:37 PM
Taco's gives Jorans side...here comes the spin... the Sloots are distressed... GOOD! its about damm time!

Whoa.. tAco says that Natalee was never at that house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:07:27 PM
Tacky:
Paulus surprised. It's routine, but a little distressed. This will be another "come up with nothing excercise".

This is the beginning of the end. Positive thing. First time thoroughly searched because the first warrant LIMITED the search.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:07:40 PM
joe taco is an ass.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
Taco looks terrible... he does not look good. His face is all F 'd up


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:08:05 PM
Vivian Van Der Biezen Aruban spokes person.

Joe Tacopina said Joran didn't say much and he is pretty much accustom to this sort of routine.  We have been here before and been there before and it will turn up nothing.

Joe Tacopina said Natalee was never was at the house.

He said this is the beginning of the end.  He said the first time it wasn't searched completely because the first warrant was a limited search so this will put that to rest that.

He said they didn't do a forensic sweep of the Kalpoes car.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:08:27 PM
Oh, I can't even repeat the greaseball................


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:08:41 PM
He's been on SM all day...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Taco's gives Jorans side...here comes the spin... the Sloots are distressed... GOOD! its about damm time!

Whoa.. tAco says that Natalee was never at that house.


he's a liar.  she was.

love how he just screwed up and scorned "oh, she's buried under the pool".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:08:48 PM
Now I have heard it all.

TACO Joe just admitted that this was the first time the house had been completely searched.

How many times has this guy stated just the opposite.

What a piece of work.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on April 27, 2007, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Taco looks terrible... he does not look good. His face is all F 'd up


Too much grease in the pits?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:09:27 PM
greta looks like hell these days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Angie, I was typing you a reply and got locked in the other cage!!!  She told me that she had talked to you.  Bless her heart, it is hard to be away from her computer and tv!  We will definitely keep her informed.


 I know she was gonna call her hubby to see if anything was on TV.
  I have FOX on now.. and JOE T is on and I am gonna puke.  :roll:
He needs bitch slapped.  Oh.. he mentions about being buried under the pool? How ironic.  
  He is a disgrace that ass.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Now I have heard it all.

TACO Joe just admitted that this was the first time the house had been completely searched.

How many times has this guy stated just the opposite.

What a piece of work.


Absolutely!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:10:20 PM
taco is giving some credence to today's forensic team.

wonder if he's planning his trial defense strategy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:10:21 PM
Whoa.. did you catch that????.. ALE in Kalpoe car... Papito....he just inadvertently flushed Comemencia down the toilet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 27, 2007, 10:10:41 PM
I think they are stressed because they look like idiots!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:11:11 PM
Taco looks like he had an eye job...and its a bad one. maybe he used Rudy's hair transplant specialist.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on April 27, 2007, 10:11:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Taco looks terrible... he does not look good. His face is all F 'd up

I'm sitting here listening but not watching - this made me get up and look at him - you are right!

The "anti-Joran" people - how about "pro justice for Natalee and her family" people?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
A forensic team at the beginning might have been a good idea, ya' think????? Geeeeezzzz

I don't think that first warrant was limited, was it? I mean not before the judge/friend greeted the searchers at Paulus' door!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Metal rods and shovels. Not based on a hunch: a lead. (Jossy)

Completed their work in 8 hours. No arrests.

Didn't go to Kalpoe's.


I didn't hear that it was completed, just spent 8 hours there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:12:58 PM
it was limited due to Paulus's influence with the local LE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 10:13:15 PM
Hi again monkeys! Joe Taco said that some "anti-joran advocate" thinks that Natalee is under the pool cement. Joe you mean Wabbi at RU don't you! I wonder which nick-name Joe uses over there. Yucky poo!! His hair of course was all greased down!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Metal rods and shovels. Not based on a hunch: a lead. (Jossy)

Completed their work in 8 hours. No arrests.

Didn't go to Kalpoe's.


I didn't hear that it was completed, just spent 8 hours there.


he said they were done, I'm hoping just for the day.

No way they could do a complete search in 8 hours.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: casa on April 27, 2007, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "casa"
Angie, I was typing you a reply and got locked in the other cage!!!  She told me that she had talked to you.  Bless her heart, it is hard to be away from her computer and tv!  We will definitely keep her informed.


 I know she was gonna call her hubby to see if anything was on TV.
  I have FOX on now.. and JOE T is on and I am gonna puke.  :roll:
He needs bitch slapped.  Oh.. he mentions about being buried under the pool? How ironic.  
  He is a disgrace that ass.


Totally agree with you, Angie!  She did say she had also talked to her husband.  I heard the pool comment!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:13:59 PM
JOE T Just made his first truthful statement

Its the beginning of the end ... yes it is for his client.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Hotshot on April 27, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Hey guys, whats up?  I see they got a tree and stuff.  My question is ....Are they coming back?  Hey go vote here for Natalee..After you finish watching Taco. :lol:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/13214780/detail.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 10:14:25 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Now I have heard it all.

TACO Joe just admitted that this was the first time the house had been completely searched.

How many times has this guy stated just the opposite.

What a piece of work.


Good recall REd.  You are spot on.  He did, over and over.

I see Greta is as clueless as ever.. thinking they need to interview the people that were NOT on the beach.  My God how thick is she?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:14:52 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Metal rods and shovels. Not based on a hunch: a lead. (Jossy)

Completed their work in 8 hours. No arrests.

Didn't go to Kalpoe's.


I didn't hear that it was completed, just spent 8 hours there.


Couldn't swear to it, AZ, and I don't type quickly, but I thought I heard it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:15:06 PM
If you were all watching the video on Greta closely of Joe Houston in Aruba, you caught a quick glimpse of RED.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:15:12 PM
Greta said she was there on the property a week afterwards and the front yard would be the dumbest place to bury a body.

Mark Fuhrman said perhaps they were looking for clothes.  Or perhaps she was there at one point.  He thinks the rods they have are probing for something.  He thinks they acquired a lead for them to get this search warrant.  He said they knew she was there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: "Red"
JOE T Just made his first truthful statement

Its the beginning of the end ... yes it is for his client.


yup.  finally.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
I am going to barf if they don't stop with the oh they could be innocent.. yada yada....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 27, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
New and surprising events?  WTH?  It's not surprising it should have been done 2 years ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:16:39 PM
this producer is an assbite.... he doesn't know anything..

they perforate the ground so that the dogs can smell..... Duh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on April 27, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
Gotta go check on the dogs.  I hope to be back later.  I hope I don't fall asleep like an OldFart.    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 10:16:53 PM
Thanks to all who are transcribing Greta since I do not get her show.

I have never seen Taco on TV but I hate him none the less.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:16:57 PM
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:18:08 PM
well, zsa zsa's prince.  time to turn off Greta.

Nite to all - will check back tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:18:25 PM
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Now I have heard it all.

TACO Joe just admitted that this was the first time the house had been completely searched.

How many times has this guy stated just the opposite.

What a piece of work.

I'm way behind because I was watching Greta in the other room.  

What about the FBI that ALE refused the help from?????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: "San"
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


police are still there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:19:02 PM
I wanna know why Paulus got to go to the house alone after being told the search was on?

And if they are going to continue the search, why he's there now???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "casa"
Angie, I was typing you a reply and got locked in the other cage!!!  She told me that she had talked to you.  Bless her heart, it is hard to be away from her computer and tv!  We will definitely keep her informed.


 I know she was gonna call her hubby to see if anything was on TV.
  I have FOX on now.. and JOE T is on and I am gonna puke.  :roll:
He needs bitch slapped.  Oh.. he mentions about being buried under the pool? How ironic.  
  He is a disgrace that ass.


Totally agree with you, Angie!  She did say she had also talked to her husband.  I heard the pool comment!


 Good Casa,, !!!  Glad she got to talk to hubby :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 10:19:31 PM
Quote from: "Rob"


I really believe he is sensing something coming.


Yeah, the end of his paychecks from the Sloots! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:19:57 PM
case is over

bye bye stupid paulus



good ridence  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: "San"
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


Those Rods are called Probes. They use them to feel differences in the soil. Such as clothing or body or metal or anything.

If they let Paulus go in the house I hope they searched him when he left.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "San"
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


police are still there?

Yes some police are still there but he doesn't know what they are doing.  I know police did go out and speak to a few of them.  They are probably watching the house for Paulus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "San"
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


Those Rods are called Probes. They use them to feel differences in the soil. Such as clothing or body or metal or anything.

If they let Paulus go in the house I hope they searched him when he left.


they also open up the ground for the dogs to smell for evidence as well...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


I noticed he stressed 'I hope' a couple of times with regard to his stance...didn't seem confident...but then, we've been there before.  

At least it was confirmed that the original warrant did prevent a thorough search...and the car, the same.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:21:49 PM
Guys..........I'm right about that first warrant, right? It was limited ONSITE, after the arrival of the searchers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:21:50 PM
So who tipped off Greta that this was happening that she had a producer in Aruba today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Whoa.. did you catch that????.. ALE in Kalpoe car... Papito....he just inadvertently flushed Comemencia down the toilet.



What Airhead Greta and Tacomeathead failed to mention was that PVDS' fellow Judge Bob Wit and good friend, Aruba government hack Ben Voking, met the search team at the door and limited the search by changing the scope of the warrant on site.

Papi Comemencia was the official police spokesperson that day, PVDS' close friend Jan van der Straten was the Lead Investigator.

Is it any wonder why this case stinks of corruption?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Hey guys, whats up?  I see they got a tree and stuff.  My question is ....Are they coming back?  Hey go vote here for Natalee..After you finish watching Taco. :lol:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/13214780/detail.html


 :lol:

Do you think enough is being done to find Natalee Holloway?
Choice  Votes  Percentage of 80791 Votes  
Yes. 21677 27%
No. 59114 73%
 
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:22:28 PM
bernie's wrong - it's not too late.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: "Red"
If you were all watching the video on Greta closely of Joe Houston in Aruba, you caught a quick glimpse of RED.


you are there??? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 I love it!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Guys..........I'm right about that first warrant, right? It was limited ONSITE, after the arrival of the searchers?



yes you are right....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Guys..........I'm right about that first warrant, right? It was limited ONSITE, after the arrival of the searchers?


Yes, it was limited on site by Dutch Judge Bob Wit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"
Whoa.. did you catch that????.. ALE in Kalpoe car... Papito....he just inadvertently flushed Comemencia down the toilet.



What Airhead Greta and Tacomeathead failed to mention was that PVDS' fellow Judge Bob Wit and good friend, Aruba government hack Ben Voking, met the search team at the door and limited the search by changing the scope of the warrant on site.

Papi Comemencia was the official police spokesperson that day, PVDS' close friend Jan van der Straten was the Lead Investigator.

Is it any wonder why this case stinks of corruption?



She mention anything about Jorans new book and Book tour??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:23:41 PM
Quote from: "Red"
So who tipped off Greta that this was happening that she had a producer in Aruba today?


Jossy?  He was her first guest tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: AZSunny
Quote from: "Red"
If you were all watching the video on Greta closely of Joe Houston in Aruba, you caught a quick glimpse of RED.


you are there??? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 I love it!!![/quote

nooooooooo that is OLD footage (with Red)... I wouldn't let him go back there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"

nooooooooo that is OLD footage (with Red)... I wouldn't let him go back there....


Didn't Glenda or someone ban y'all anyway?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:25:30 PM
they are still blathering that he is innocent??  well we ALL know the pundits are ALWAYS wrong...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:25:34 PM
Bernie said he thinks it was a methane probe since they had a cadaver dog there.

Ted said they may have been looking for a body.  He said too little too late.  Ted said he is upset and he doesn't not believe there is a body on that property.

Jim said he is hoping it is a tip as to why they went in there.

Greta said she is not convinced they have fully investigated everything even the people on the beach.

Bernie said when he saw Joran in the interview last year he thinks he may have saw what happened but he is not involved in what happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:25:36 PM
ummm - wtf is wrong with Greta's panel??

they are all making fun of this, saying it's too late.

omg - Bernie just said he didn't think Joran did this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:25:41 PM
Lord.................Greta is still on Boeti!  :lol:


AHHHHHHHHHHHHH They just put another halo on Joran!!! I'm going to puke.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 27, 2007, 10:26:14 PM
Greta may have had a belly full of Taco-aid but she either has no brain-aid or is totally a loser.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 27, 2007, 10:26:17 PM
I thought I heard the producer in Aruba say he left the scence about 8:30pm & there were still police there & barricades.
If my ears heard correctly maybe they are not finished.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 27, 2007, 10:26:34 PM
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Sam"
Quote from: "San"
Producer from On the Record said they were digging with thin rods.  He didn't see them take anything away.  They took the tent down and there are still police there.  Around 6:30 Paulus came home and talked to police for 5 minutes and then went inside.


Those Rods are called Probes. They use them to feel differences in the soil. Such as clothing or body or metal or anything.

If they let Paulus go in the house I hope they searched him when he left.


they also open up the ground for the dogs to smell for evidence as well...


Of course Mrs. Red, For some reason I never thought of that.

 My Dh used them for finding water lines. Thay also are used to find septic tanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:27:12 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Greta may have had a belly full of Taco-aid but she either has no brain-aid or is totally a loser.


I vote for "totally a loser."  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 27, 2007, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


see my post above.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Greta may have had a belly full of Taco-aid but she either has no brain-aid or is totally a loser.


her and the panel... and to think I used to like Bernie :roll:


what Freaking kool aid are these assbites drinking???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "Red"
If you were all watching the video on Greta closely of Joe Houston in Aruba, you caught a quick glimpse of RED.


you are there??? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 I love it!!!


No, no ... its was video from back in 2005.

I would never say when I was or was not there. ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
I thought I heard the producer in Aruba say he left the scence about 8:30pm & there were still police there & barricades.
If my ears heard correctly maybe they are not finished.

Yep, I heard the same thing.  Hopefully they will be back tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:28:18 PM
Greta said she is not convinced they have fully investigated everything even the people on the beach.



STFU greta

gessssssssssssshhhhhhhh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 10:28:19 PM
Drug store's gonna close..................I gotta run. Everybody don't say anything and I'll hurry back, k?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.



By the way Joe, how did everything shake out on the McGuire case?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: dkpen on April 27, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
Hi everyone!

NBC news channel 10 are speaking about Natalee Holloway and the new back yard search ect. FYI  And says they will keep us updated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Greta may have had a belly full of Taco-aid but she either has no brain-aid or is totally a loser.


I pick all three.

What a witch - I'm shocked that she's so stupid, but I guess anyone who would go to L.A. to interview zsa zsa's prince isn't all there.

Good nite for sure now, guys - I'm sick I tuned in to watch her.  I'll check back on the monkey house tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Greta may have had a belly full of Taco-aid but she either has no brain-aid or is totally a loser.


I vote for "totally a loser."  :D


I too vote for "totally a loser".  Great minds think alike and all of that :D   Greta=loser, loser, loser


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:29:12 PM
maybe some of the probes are magnetic ??


maybe they can find some of JORANSTEINS BOLTS that are missing from his head


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.



By the way Joe, how did everything shake out on the McGuire case?



hehehehehehee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


perhaps she has stock in a hotel???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:30:10 PM
Newsflash to Greta ... you are a journalist that is supposed to report on a story ... not interject your agenda into it.

Don't worry Greta your timeshare price will not go down if JVDS is found guilty. If anything it will probably increase.

Shut up and just report.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Drug store's gonna close..................I gotta run. Everybody don't say anything and I'll hurry back, k?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Just be careful!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:30:42 PM
Greta is foolish


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: "robots"
maybe some of the probes are magnetic ??


maybe they can find some of JORANSTEINS BOLTS that are missing from his head


LOL, Robots. At first I read what you said as "maybe some of the probes are MAGIC."  :lol:

That would sure simply the search, wouldn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: "*******"

She mention anything about Jorans new book and Book tour??



No *******, but she's probably got her personally autographed copy by now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


She seems to have a crush on the sporter.  Lord knows why or how she could believe him if she reviewed the tape of her interview.. he was so FOS.  Was hoping she had overcome her insanity but obviously - NOT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Greta is foolish


That would be an understatement...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 27, 2007, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: "robots"
JORANSTEINS BOLTS

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:31:46 PM
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: dkpen on April 27, 2007, 10:32:13 PM
Trying hard to catch up. Hubby and I went to a movie and out to eat and I fall 30 pages behind. Will take me all night to catch up. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:32:24 PM
OK Greta going wrong again.... why the hell is Alec Baldwin apologizing to us.... he needs to apologize to Henry Hyde, his daughter and stop offending me on a daily basis...

to be honest, I DON"T CARE...

sorry for off topic rant.... :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


I couldn't stomach her. I kept the TV on a different channel and read the transcripts here. It's much less painful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am going to barf if they don't stop with the oh they could be innocent.. yada yada....


me too!! even Furhman ticked me off!! he is backpeddaling now too...and why not have a forensic specialists on as a guest instead of the quacks she had on...who were convinced Joran told the truth in Gretas interview...burns my butt!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.



By the way Joe, how did everything shake out on the McGuire case?
That's exactly what I was thinking :smt003  :smt003


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
OK Greta going wrong again.... why the hell is Alec Baldwin apologizing to us.... he needs to apologize to Henry Hyde, his daughter and stop offending me on a daily basis...

to be honest, I DON"T CARE...

sorry for off topic rant.... :oops:



another hollywood loser  

when is he going in for THERAPY

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


Damn Greta!  Didn't you know Joran has changed that timeline in the last few days?  He now says he was with Natalee on the beach for 3 hours.  Joran's timeline is blown to bits!


Sorry, need my muffs now.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: casa on April 27, 2007, 10:33:30 PM
Angie, just got to talk to the cuz again.  She got to see most of Greta since it came in the first segment.  She saw everything but the panel.    Said Joe made her want to throw up!! haha  She seemed to be in good spirits and hopeful.  You know my youngest worked for her and she told me to be sure and tell her that she really misses her and wants to get to visit with her.  made me teary!  My youngest is crazy about her and I think they feel close to each other as my youngest was working for her when this happened and we all three shared sadness and tears in those early days.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


perhaps she has stock in a hotel???


Mrs Red- I'm sorry I dont get it. She knows as well as we do that there is NOT one person that places them on the beach for a moment let alone 3 hours now according to Joran's new piece of drivel.

So what gives? This is not normal. This woman must have been kicked in the head by a horse when she was young and she is like stuck on Groundhog day. She's an easy mark for a conniver.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Greta said she is not convinced they have fully investigated everything even the people on the beach.



STFU greta

gessssssssssssshhhhhhhh


I double that one too!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 27, 2007, 10:34:48 PM
We will see the real truth,soon.Maybe joe can go 0 for 2,real quick.red,I didn't notice you,I was listening,not looking


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


I couldn't stomach her. I kept the TV on a different channel and read the transcripts here. It's much less painful.


yep

she is GUTLESS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


Robots it pains everyone.. it's like pulling teeth. But we need to know what the heck is going on... it's a double edge sword.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 27, 2007, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


She seems to have a crush on the sporter.  Lord knows why or how she could believe him if she reviewed the tape of her interview.. he was so FOS.  Was hoping she had overcome her insanity but obviously - NOT.


Me, too, Little Bean!  I was hoping she had growna brain in the interim but obviously she hasn't!  Panel equally bad.  She and Taco seem to be a team these days.  I think we might as well write her off.  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!

By the way Joe, how did everything shake out on the McGuire case?
That's exactly what I was thinking :smt003  :smt003


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
I thought I heard the producer in Aruba say he left the scence about 8:30pm & there were still police there & barricades.
If my ears heard correctly maybe they are not finished.

Yep, I heard the same thing.  Hopefully they will be back tomorrow.


The producer said whether or not they are coming back tomorrow he didn't know.  But they did disassemble the tent but when he left that site about 8:30 or so there were still police on the scene who were guarding it.  The barricades were up and they were keeping them from getting closer to the home and for what other reasons why they were there he didn't know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 10:37:18 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "*******"

She mention anything about Jorans new book and Book tour??



No *******, but she's probably got her personally autographed copy by now.


That is digusting!! You remember Joe Taco's associate was saying how much money beth was making..She was doing it all for the money..Bla Bla Bla..Greta didnt say a word about it???? Unbeleavable!!!!!!!

Here we have Joran that just released his book. Anita has hers on the way..Paulus sues the Govt for money.. Kalpoes suing Dr.Phil for money..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "Rob"
Ya know, sometimes its not what someone says but how they say it. I sense Taco is Stressed... I think he realizes this is going to open up on his clients. I have been in sales so long that when I see a client stressing like that I try to easy their emotions...Taco is emotional and not logical....all he could say was the Sloots wants this over and they are tired of the case...but yet they write books and don't mind putting themselves out there for their own benefit, bc it sure as hell ain't helping Beth, Dave, Matt or Natalee.

I really believe he is sensing something coming.


taco was in "defense mode", no doubt about that.  He gets like a rabid pit bull when he's cornered.





was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!

By the way Joe, how did everything shake out on the McGuire case?
That's exactly what I was thinking :smt003  :smt003


oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:37:32 PM
SCROLL PAST _ OFF TOPIC ALERT...

the remote is across the room... could someone please tell ALEC Baldwin that had he NOT been abusive to Kim B. maybe this wouldn't be necessary..... GOOD GRIEF they are beyond full of shit.... what a liar...

they have done nothing but spin in favor of him..... maybe Kim leaked the message because she was proving his abuse of HER... and when he said Henry Hyde needed to be stoned to death>>>

please move the hell to France...

sorry...

I have utter and complete faith that we will see justice for Natalee... I alwyas have and still do...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "robots"
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


Robots it pains everyone.. it's like pulling teeth. But we need to know what the heck is going on... it's a double edge sword.


yes Rob

i understand and i am glad some here watch her...i really am

i just cant stomach it and depend on the good people here to help me


i hear ya man  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 27, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Thanks San & Klaas. At least I know I got the cobwebs out of my ears when I showered.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
The Fox News Report:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269036,00.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 27, 2007, 10:39:19 PM
The volcano her alien is in must be shaking.I was watching and listening to Johnny Cash,for the evening,"Why I wear Black" and Folsom Prison Blues".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Drug store's gonna close..................I gotta run. Everybody don't say anything and I'll hurry back, k?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


We know you can never be as fast as Klaas.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
SCROLL PAST _ OFF TOPIC ALERT...

the remote is across the room... could someone please tell ALEC Baldwin that had he NOT been abusive to Kim B. maybe this wouldn't be necessary..... GOOD GRIEF they are beyond full of shit.... what a liar...

they have done nothing but spin in favor of him..... maybe Kim leaked the message because she was proving his abuse of HER... and when he said Henry Hyde needed to be stoned to death>>>

please move the hell to France...

sorry...

I have utter and complete faith that we will see justice for Natalee... I alwyas have and still do...


bingo with the O/T.

If it was my kid, I'd sure as heck be doing my best to keep him "alienated", too!

Hat's off to Kim Basinger for protecting her daughter from an anger-consumed egotist!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:39:44 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?



If she had shit for brains she'd know Joran has five timelines.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:40:07 PM
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
SCROLL PAST _ OFF TOPIC ALERT...

the remote is across the room... could someone please tell ALEC Baldwin that had he NOT been abusive to Kim B. maybe this wouldn't be necessary..... GOOD GRIEF they are beyond full of shit.... what a liar...

they have done nothing but spin in favor of him..... maybe Kim leaked the message because she was proving his abuse of HER... and when he said Henry Hyde needed to be stoned to death>>>

please move the hell to France...

sorry...

I have utter and complete faith that we will see justice for Natalee... I alwyas have and still do...


have no fear

they got em


CROWN WITNESS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
Greta was told very early on that the beach story was nonsense by very reliable sources.

Why she continues this sham is beyond irresponsible.

It is as if she goes against her "i am inclined to believe him" comment she will lose all credibility so she is riding that horse right into the ground.

This is what is wrong with todays media, especially the cable shows. Its about their agenda and slant to a story, not the story and the facts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "robots"
i refuse to watch her

she is a total LOSER


Robots it pains everyone.. it's like pulling teeth. But we need to know what the heck is going on... it's a double edge sword.


yes Rob

i understand and i am glad some here watch her...i really am

i just cant stomach it and depend on the good people here to help me


i hear ya man  :D


I feel like I need one of the new joran van der sloot barf bags after that swamp gas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:41:51 PM
CROWN WITNESS


i think rob was sayin earlier

they got em and now just want to catch em all in MORE LIES


i love that approach


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 10:42:01 PM
They were never on the beach!  I don't care what anyone says...if you look at what we know...you can not with reasonable intelligence say that Joran left her on the beach.  Even the weird witness with that claimed to have the condom did not say Joran left her on the beach...he said Joran floated her body out to sea.   He is the only person to ever place them on the beach besides the perps and Joe T.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:42:02 PM
Posted by Meee on the front page of SM - it's a good point:

I check back pages on this site. On 11/27/06 Greta interviewed De Vries about the search warrant. He told her the story about Bob Witt and Ben King and what they did. Changing the search warrant. Tonight she’s acting like she doesn’t know why the first search warrant was so limited? She was told why? Why is she acting like she doesn’t know why?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

Hey I like that expression. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


You got that right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 27, 2007, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
The Fox News Report:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269036,00.html

TY Muffy.

Again with the *indications*.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Greta was told very early on that the beach story was nonsense by very reliable sources.

Why she continues this sham is beyond irresponsible.

It is as if she goes against her "i am inclined to believe him" comment she will lose all credibility so she is riding that horse right into the ground.

This is what is wrong with todays media, especially the cable shows. Its about their agenda and slant to a story, not the story and the facts.


yep, she is riding a DEAD HORSE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


You are absolutely correct.. Greta lost interest long ago..I hope beth and dave give exclusives to someone else..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Red"
Greta was told very early on that the beach story was nonsense by very reliable sources.

Why she continues this sham is beyond irresponsible.

It is as if she goes against her "i am inclined to believe him" comment she will lose all credibility so she is riding that horse right into the ground.

This is what is wrong with todays media, especially the cable shows. Its about their agenda and slant to a story, not the story and the facts.


yep, she is riding a DEAD HORSE  8)


More like FLOGGING a dead horse...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Meee on the front page of SM - it's a good point:

I check back pages on this site. On 11/27/06 Greta interviewed De Vries about the search warrant. He told her the story about Bob Witt and Ben King and what they did. Changing the search warrant. Tonight she’s acting like she doesn’t know why the first search warrant was so limited? She was told why? Why is she acting like she doesn’t know why?



she is a total loser


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

That is exactly it Klaas.  We have forgotten more than they ever knew.  If they remembered they would have called Taco on his BS line about the forensics done on the Kalpoes car.

He said that they didn't use luminol or any forensic eqpt on his car. Well if that's the case then how did they find blood and then that blood turned to chocolate?  They don't even remember that?  Taco trying to throw Kalpoes under the bus.

Hmmmm.... goes back to our discussion that perhaps someone "turned" and has become the Crown Witness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:43:59 PM
Okay, where is that "dead horse" when we need it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Red"
Greta was told very early on that the beach story was nonsense by very reliable sources.

Why she continues this sham is beyond irresponsible.

It is as if she goes against her "i am inclined to believe him" comment she will lose all credibility so she is riding that horse right into the ground.

This is what is wrong with todays media, especially the cable shows. Its about their agenda and slant to a story, not the story and the facts.


yep, she is riding a DEAD HORSE  8)


More like FLOGGING a dead horse...



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
Here is another news flash to Greta and her panel.

All investigators would have had to do is read the witness statements and properly investigate what was already said.

Is that really a mystery? New info has also come forward and rom reanalyzing what has already been out there for two years.

Greta had access to many docs, funny that she has avoided them. However, some how her opinion is supposed to be more relevant than facts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 27, 2007, 10:44:36 PM
That forensic team CAN find evidence there now. They would not be there at all if it couldn't be done. What strikes me is how stupid and clueless the media people are about details of the case... like Ted not knowing about the pool deck concrete, etc.

Of course, they have other cases to report on and haven't focused in like we have, so grant them that.

I LOVED seeing taco-boy with his lemon-sucking look in full show tonight LOL. He looks like someone ran over his dog today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on April 27, 2007, 10:44:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Meee on the front page of SM - it's a good point:

I check back pages on this site. On 11/27/06 Greta interviewed De Vries about the search warrant. He told her the story about Bob Witt and Ben King and what they did. Changing the search warrant. Tonight she’s acting like she doesn’t know why the first search warrant was so limited? She was told why? Why is she acting like she doesn’t know why?



As Red said, she has an agenda, and this fact doesn't fit in.


Title: Pool cement
Post by: IBE on April 27, 2007, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am going to barf if they don't stop with the oh they could be innocent.. yada yada....


me too!! even Furhman ticked me off!! he is backpeddaling now too...and why not have a forensic specialists on as a guest instead of the quacks she had on...who were convinced Joran told the truth in Gretas interview...burns my butt!!


Maybe all the forensic specialists are reading here to see what is really going on!

Seriously, why didn't Greta or anyone remember all the cement work Paulus had right after Natalee was killed?? Look around the pool!! and under the dog house! Wouldn't a murderer wanted to hid a body where it'd be "safe" and could check on it, but still hidden?

Jim Armorino, spokesman for Orange County Sheriffs... a really good, nice, family guy! was just on Nancy Grace about someone stalking a star. Known him since late 70's when he helped me and the student I had in studio school. He was with LAPD at the time.

I do hope they look into the new cement work Paulus had done around the pool.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 27, 2007, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

AND...the VDSs and Joe T. have no idea what the KLPD's intentions are. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Joran charmed her and she fell in love with him! :smt055  :smt049  :smt057  :smt060  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:45:57 PM
Red, that is my point exactly.. she is an assistant defense attorney spreading a bunch of BS on the 10 pm Fox News. There are people out there that when Dompig said that Natalee was using drugs and drinking too much and she overdosed, those people say to themselves 'Yeah that sounds about right' and then the case is over for them.

I cant tell you how many people I have talked to in the last two years that say.. 'oh they found her right'? or 'she killed herself' or 'that joran kid is getting a bad rap, she did drugs'. It's people like Greta that give the mental midgets an easy way out. They don't have to think .. Greta does it for them and she is WRONG all of the time...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Joran charmed her and she fell in love with him! :smt055  :smt049  :smt057  :smt060  :roll:



Ewwww!  That's just gross, ain't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

That is exactly it Klaas.  We have forgotten more than they ever knew.  If they remembered they would have called Taco on his BS line about the forensics done on the Kalpoes car.

He said that they didn't use luminol or any forensic eqpt on his car. Well if that's the case then how did they find blood and then that blood turned to chocolate?  They don't even remember that?  Taco trying to throw Kalpoes under the bus.

Hmmmm.... goes back to our discussion that perhaps someone "turned" and has become the Crown Witness.


that is exactly what I yelled at RED... how do they know it's chocolate and cleaning fluid?  what a crock...

Faith moves mountains and I have faith that we will see this one moved...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Meee on the front page of SM - it's a good point:

I check back pages on this site. On 11/27/06 Greta interviewed De Vries about the search warrant. He told her the story about Bob Witt and Ben King and what they did. Changing the search warrant. Tonight she’s acting like she doesn’t know why the first search warrant was so limited? She was told why? Why is she acting like she doesn’t know why?


Great point.

It was never a limited search warrant ,,, it was made one at the scene.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Joran charmed her and she fell in love with him! :smt055  :smt049  :smt057  :smt060  :roll:



Ewwww!  That's just gross, ain't it?


I guess she finds pimples, a frankenstein head, and an overwhelming ego to be delicious.  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


I agree Klaas!!! And if you want to know whats going on...invite a Forensics person!! HEEEELLLLOOOO!! :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"




oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!
You heard him right. The big bad  attorney for Joran, was hoping and hoping and more hoping....well he can keep on hoping whatever he wants, just like he did in that Mcguire case :roll:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:49:43 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SlootBarf.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on April 27, 2007, 10:49:52 PM
Earth to Greta - who gives a hoot about the "prince".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: lexie on April 27, 2007, 10:50:03 PM
Greta seemed aggravated about the Kalpoes not having been subject of a search also.... mentioned several times, "why not Kalpoes?"  Gives a little credence to the idea of some that they may be talking, huh?

She still seems to be stuck on Boeti../ "people on the beach".

She obviously did NO HOMEWORK on this story, or she would have known that Joran has already changed that timeline she keeps referring to, and that the original search warrant was not incomplete, but was limited on site.  The panel and even TACO JOE continued to rant about the lack of professional investigation/forensics without so much as a mentiona that FBI help was refused.

I think any info that goes to Fox News should go to Kimberly Gilfoyle or even Geraldo.....not to Greta.  She appears to have her own agenda.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

That is exactly it Klaas.  We have forgotten more than they ever knew.  If they remembered they would have called Taco on his BS line about the forensics done on the Kalpoes car.

He said that they didn't use luminol or any forensic eqpt on his car. Well if that's the case then how did they find blood and then that blood turned to chocolate?  They don't even remember that?  Taco trying to throw Kalpoes under the bus.

Hmmmm.... goes back to our discussion that perhaps someone "turned" and has become the Crown Witness.


that is exactly what I yelled at RED... how do they know it's chocolate and cleaning fluid?  what a crock...

Faith moves mountains and I have faith that we will see this one moved...


they know its chocolate and cleaning fluid bc Comemencia put it there. I'm not kidding. Do,you think for one second if deepak saw all that in his car he wouldnt have tried to remove it. It wasn't there when they took the car.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 10:50:57 PM
As wonderful as the thought of Joran finally having to answer for his role in Natalee's disappearance and demise, I particularly wonder what charges could be brought against Paulus and Anita?  For lying, hiding evidence, what?  Covering up a crime?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IBE on April 27, 2007, 10:51:06 PM
sorry, left out the second "m" in Jim's name; it's Amormino.

Nancy Grace just mentioned the digging outside Paulus's home and it is justified.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Joran charmed her and she fell in love with him! :smt055  :smt049  :smt057  :smt060  :roll:


(http://209.85.48.8/10146/12/emo/pukeintoilet.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
As wonderful as the thought of Joran finally having to answer for his role in Natalee's disappearance and demise, I particularly wonder what charges could be brought against Paulus and Anita?  For lying, hiding evidence, what?  Covering up a crime?

Especially Paulus because he was home with Joran when this happened.  In my opinion the prosecutor had the right charges against Paulus when she brought him in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
yep, that's it Klaas! hurl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "ldstlou"




oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!
You heard him right. The big bad  attorney for Joran, was hoping and hoping and more hoping....well he can keep on hoping whatever he wants, just like he did in that Mcguire case :roll:  :wink:


Elaine, I said that a couple pages back...very obvious....I hope, I hope..wth!  Whatever....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Red, that is my point exactly.. she is an assistant defense attorney spreading a bunch of BS on the 10 pm Fox News. There are people out there that when Dompig said that Natalee was using drugs and drinking too much and she overdosed, those people say to themselves 'Yeah that sounds about right' and then the case is over for them.

I cant tell you how many people I have talked to in the last two years that say.. 'oh they found her right'? or 'she killed herself' or 'that joran kid is getting a bad rap, she did drugs'. It's people like Greta that give the mental midgets an easy way out. They don't have to think .. Greta does it for them and she is WRONG all of the time...


I had the very same type conversation today with someone that I thought was level headed and intelligent.  I still think if you read the things we have in this forum it's a no brainer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 27, 2007, 10:54:34 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on April 27, 2007, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: klaasend
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SlootBarf.jpg)[/quote

Klaas,
Thanks for posting that barf bag.  I'm gonna take that and go to bed.  Nite to all the sweet Monkeys. Tomorrow is a NEW DAY.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)


THANK YOU


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 27, 2007, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Okay, where is that "dead horse" when we need it?


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:55:28 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "ldstlou"




oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!
You heard him right. The big bad  attorney for Joran, was hoping and hoping and more hoping....well he can keep on hoping whatever he wants, just like he did in that Mcguire case :roll:  :wink:


Elaine, I said that a couple pages back...very obvious....I hope, I hope..wth!  Whatever....


sorry 2NJ..you all are typing too fast for me!! lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 27, 2007, 10:55:45 PM
Greta thinks like a defense attorney. It's always got to be "someone else" that did it. Not "my client".

There has never been one iota's worth of evidence, or any claim whatsoever, that Natalee was anywhere near K2 home, yet she always harps on how that house needs to be searched.  :roll:

Ain't it great to be in here again doing the nightly postgame show after the Greta Follies again? Been a while. All we had missing tonight was the obligatory cameo by Glenda and/or the Tampa guy with the banty-rooster hair and we would be at the requisite level of fury and outrage the early months of this case provided for us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I got really unhappy with Greta because she had seemingly befriended Beth Holloway, only to turn the other way and suck up to Joran.


Joran charmed her and she fell in love with him! :smt055  :smt049  :smt057  :smt060  :roll:


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: "jill"
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Night Jill. I'm not far behind you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 10:56:20 PM
Quote from: "jill"
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nite Jill and Hummingbird... right behind y'all...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Okay, where is that "dead horse" when we need it?


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
Thank the Lord!  I just heard the news and rushed here.  This is definitely the beginning of the end for the Sloots.  Dig up the concrete around the pool, around the doghouse, even in Joran's apartment!  If these Dutch investigators are as serious as they appear to be, they will find the evidence.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: "jill"
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Night Jill, sleep well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


That's a fact.  And the fact is that Greta used Beth for ratings and it worked.  Then she used Taco and Joran for more ratings.  Remember she was trying to get the Kalpoe Bros. on?  After the Joran lovefest Beth obviously realised that she didn't have a friend in Greta.  I think Greta continues down this path because she got cut out.

Trust me - if the truth comes out and evidence shows Joran/Paulus committed this crime Greta will immediately forget about Boeti on the beach and no longer believer or even remember that she believed Joran.

Greta is a phony ratings whore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "ldstlou"




oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!
You heard him right. The big bad  attorney for Joran, was hoping and hoping and more hoping....well he can keep on hoping whatever he wants, just like he did in that Mcguire case :roll:  :wink:


Elaine, I said that a couple pages back...very obvious....I hope, I hope..wth!  Whatever....


sorry 2NJ..you all are typing too fast for me!! lol


no need to be sorry...I have to repeat myself here at home, so it's no biggy... :lol: (some have selective hearing here... :D )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 10:59:01 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


That's a fact.  And the fact is that Greta used Beth for ratings and it worked.  Then she used Taco and Joran for more ratings.  Remember she was trying to get the Kalpoe Bros. on?  After the Joran lovefest Beth obviously realised that she didn't have a friend in Greta.  I think Greta continues down this path because she got cut out.

Trust me - if the truth comes out and evidence shows Joran/Paulus committed this crime Greta will immediately forget about Boeti on the beach and no longer believer or even remember that she believed Joran.

Greta is a phony ratings whore.



amen

she is almost as bad as JOE T  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "ldstlou"




oops..messed it up..lol



was it me or did I hear him say...i hope, I hope...and more I hope i hope..as in...you better not be lying to me Joran!!
You heard him right. The big bad  attorney for Joran, was hoping and hoping and more hoping....well he can keep on hoping whatever he wants, just like he did in that Mcguire case :roll:  :wink:


Elaine, I said that a couple pages back...very obvious....I hope, I hope..wth!  Whatever....
I cannot stand him, he said he hopes its over soon for the suspects. That pisses me off! What about over soon for Natalee's family. I think he enjoys defending these murderers, and I wonder why that is? Hmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Thank the Lord!  I just heard the news and rushed here.  This is definitely the beginning of the end for the Sloots.  Dig up the concrete around the pool, around the doghouse, even in Joran's apartment!  If these Dutch investigators are as serious as they appear to be, they will find the evidence.

Looks like many are going to bed now, lol.  It's been hopping in here all day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 10:59:22 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Angie, just got to talk to the cuz again.  She got to see most of Greta since it came in the first segment.  She saw everything but the panel.    Said Joe made her want to throw up!! haha  She seemed to be in good spirits and hopeful.  You know my youngest worked for her and she told me to be sure and tell her that she really misses her and wants to get to visit with her.  made me teary!  My youngest is crazy about her and I think they feel close to each other as my youngest was working for her when this happened and we all three shared sadness and tears in those early days.



I am GLAD she got to watch it!!!  I know your girl is close to her! ~  :wink:   Glad you and your gals are all there for her!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 27, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
Hey, Greta gave Natalee half the show tonight!

Of couse she followed her coverage with the required Anna Nicole drivel of soap-opera wannabes fighting over that poor child's DNA. As usual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


That's a fact.  And the fact is that Greta used Beth for ratings and it worked.  Then she used Taco and Joran for more ratings.  Remember she was trying to get the Kalpoe Bros. on?  After the Joran lovefest Beth obviously realised that she didn't have a friend in Greta.  I think Greta continues down this path because she got cut out.

Trust me - if the truth comes out and evidence shows Joran/Paulus committed this crime Greta will immediately forget about Boeti on the beach and no longer believer or even remember that she believed Joran.

Greta is a phony ratings whore.


Amen...I just can't believe the total turn around...maybe it's Taco she is wooing and trying to keep happy...who knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Red, that is my point exactly.. she is an assistant defense attorney spreading a bunch of BS on the 10 pm Fox News. There are people out there that when Dompig said that Natalee was using drugs and drinking too much and she overdosed, those people say to themselves 'Yeah that sounds about right' and then the case is over for them.

I cant tell you how many people I have talked to in the last two years that say.. 'oh they found her right'? or 'she killed herself' or 'that joran kid is getting a bad rap, she did drugs'. It's people like Greta that give the mental midgets an easy way out. They don't have to think .. Greta does it for them and she is WRONG all of the time...


I had the very same type conversation today with someone that I thought was level headed and intelligent.  I still think if you read the things we have in this forum it's a no brainer.


Lala's its' maddening.. truly maddening!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 27, 2007, 11:00:28 PM
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Night monkeys. Wub you all.  :smooch


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 27, 2007, 11:01:02 PM
Are we FLYING tonight with posts, or WHAT?

I scroll down to se my post and a new one pops up below it as I watch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 27, 2007, 11:01:03 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


Uh, well, it would not be politically correct to say here, but villas being built on islands in the Carribean are not mine.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:01:47 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


That's a fact.  And the fact is that Greta used Beth for ratings and it worked.  Then she used Taco and Joran for more ratings.  Remember she was trying to get the Kalpoe Bros. on?  After the Joran lovefest Beth obviously realised that she didn't have a friend in Greta.  I think Greta continues down this path because she got cut out.

Trust me - if the truth comes out and evidence shows Joran/Paulus committed this crime Greta will immediately forget about Boeti on the beach and no longer believer or even remember that she believed Joran.

Greta is a phony ratings whore.


Amen...I just can't believe the total turn around...maybe it's Taco she is wooing and trying to keep happy...who knows?


GUTLESS GRETA

has she ever done a single thing with her show to solve anything


i know that is not her MAIN goal or job but my goodness

do something

everyone should do something

RATINGS HOG


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Thank the Lord!  I just heard the news and rushed here.  This is definitely the beginning of the end for the Sloots.  Dig up the concrete around the pool, around the doghouse, even in Joran's apartment!  If these Dutch investigators are as serious as they appear to be, they will find the evidence.

Looks like many are going to bed now, lol.  It's been hopping in here all day!


I better hit the sack..my little guy has his 1st baseball game of the season tomorrow 9am!!
As usual...thanks for all of your hard work and for keeping us posted all day long Klaas!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ldstlou on April 27, 2007, 11:03:55 PM
Night all!! Keep saying your prayers!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:03:57 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:03:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).

That is exactly it Klaas.  We have forgotten more than they ever knew.  If they remembered they would have called Taco on his BS line about the forensics done on the Kalpoes car.

He said that they didn't use luminol or any forensic eqpt on his car. Well if that's the case then how did they find blood and then that blood turned to chocolate?  They don't even remember that?  Taco trying to throw Kalpoes under the bus.

Hmmmm.... goes back to our discussion that perhaps someone "turned" and has become the Crown Witness.


that is exactly what I yelled at RED... how do they know it's chocolate and cleaning fluid?  what a crock...

Faith moves mountains and I have faith that we will see this one moved...


they know its chocolate and cleaning fluid bc Comemencia put it there. I'm not kidding. Do,you think for one second if deepak saw all that in his car he wouldnt have tried to remove it. It wasn't there when they took the car.


You know it.. Looks like Deepak flew home and was cleaning just 2 hours or so after Natalee walked in that car. You think they cut squares all over the headliner and back seat for chocolate?? It was confirmed that the FBI and ALE both thought it was blood.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 27, 2007, 11:04:44 PM
I need to crash also.  It's been fun to see you all again and to discuss some progress for a change.

I say, as long as their are tents and a port o potty at the Sloots' house, there is some progress.  Will be sure to say prayers for justice this evening.

Gotta go to the office tomorrow but I'll be sneaking some peeks for sure.  Sleep well all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 27, 2007, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Greta was told very early on that the beach story was nonsense by very reliable sources.

Why she continues this sham is beyond irresponsible.

It is as if she goes against her "i am inclined to believe him" comment she will lose all credibility so she is riding that horse right into the ground.

This is what is wrong with todays media, especially the cable shows. Its about their agenda and slant to a story, not the story and the facts.


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: hummingbird7525
Quote from: "klaasend"
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Klaas,
Thanks for posting that barf bag.  I'm gonna take that and go to bed.  Nite to all the sweet Monkeys. Tomorrow is a NEW DAY.


Do these come with Joe T's pic and Greta's as well?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:05:28 PM
Elaine,

I watched Taco closely and that "I hope" just stood out....that's all I can say....

sb,

it was hot in here today...I was hitting the refresh button like 2 years ago (almost)...sad, yet not so sad, because we all care.

Good night all.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.


i think i am too

thanks  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 27, 2007, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


Klaas, she clearly states she has read all the papers, the time line.  She even showed those papers (pretending not to) once with the statements that were derogatory to the MB kids.  No, she is a lying a88h8le.  She would kiss OJ's rear end if he would come on her show on national TV.  She is a goat's patootey.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2007, 11:06:29 PM
I just can't resist this. LOL

Then I too am calling it a night. Keep the faith all.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?


That woman has some vested interest in the BEACH story.. I have no idea why.. anyone?


Uh, well, it would not be politically correct to say here, but villas being built on islands in the Carribean are not mine.


Saw her the other nite rambling about some boat her and her husband bought... hope she doesn't go missing at sea.. I wont make one post in an effort to find out what happened. She has stumpy legs and doesn't look like she could swim for long.


Title: !
Post by: mrs. red on April 27, 2007, 11:08:21 PM
nite y'all...


keep the faith... it truly moves mountains...

good to see everyone !!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "klaasend"
I think the problem is we know and study the case more than Greta and her panel do.  They don't know shit (pardon the expression).


There's just no excuse for Greta..she was there w/ Beth..she sat at their kitchen table and watched Paulus sweat!!! Just no excuse..it's rotten


That's a fact.  And the fact is that Greta used Beth for ratings and it worked.  Then she used Taco and Joran for more ratings.  Remember she was trying to get the Kalpoe Bros. on?  After the Joran lovefest Beth obviously realised that she didn't have a friend in Greta.  I think Greta continues down this path because she got cut out.

Trust me - if the truth comes out and evidence shows Joran/Paulus committed this crime Greta will immediately forget about Boeti on the beach and no longer believer or even remember that she believed Joran.

Greta is a phony ratings whore.


I am in the process of writing a post that compares/contrasts MSM and SM ... when some of the stuff comes out, it may make some skin crawl and others will not be shocked at all. The media could care less about any story ... its shock value thats important for ratings. Then they could care less.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:09:19 PM
Tyler, you are so right.  Greta has her eye on her ratings and her paycheck.  That's it.  Just because she has a background in law does not make her "inclined" to do the right thing and pursue justice.  She pursues what's lucrative for Greta.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 27, 2007, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.



I don't know. . . why not just burn them?  I don't know what they were looking for but tend to think it was something else.  Perhaps actual remains or a temporary burial place.  Or something larger that would be hard to eliminate like a rug.  We know a mattress was found elsewhere but that would also be a possibility.

I wonder why they took the plant away.  Were they just looking under it or was it something about the plant after all this time?  Could the thorns on the leaves match something elsewhere like on Guido's face or what could they have been looking for today.  I don't think it was just to see what they might happen upon but do think they had something specific.  I hope they return tomorrow and search more.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 11:09:56 PM
So were the "jack hammers" that we assumed were for digging in the pool surround cement actually the "earth hammers" that were used today?  

I want to see real Jack hammers to dig that cement pond.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.



I don't know. . . why not just burn them?  I don't know what they were looking for but tend to think it was something else.  Perhaps actual remains or a temporary burial place.  Or something larger that would be hard to eliminate like a rug.  We know a mattress was found elsewhere but that would also be a possibility.

I wonder why they took the plant away.  Were they just looking under it or was it something about the plant after all this time?  Could the thorns on the leaves match something elsewhere like on Guido's face or what could they have been looking for today.  I don't think it was just to see what they might happen upon but do think they had something specific.  I hope they return tomorrow and search more.

.


Anna,  do we know they took the plant away, or they just dug it up?  and if so, for what reason?  was that a hit by the dogs?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Hotshot on April 27, 2007, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Thank the Lord!  I just heard the news and rushed here.  This is definitely the beginning of the end for the Sloots.  Dig up the concrete around the pool, around the doghouse, even in Joran's apartment!  If these Dutch investigators are as serious as they appear to be, they will find the evidence.


They also need to get to the dunes and DNA some of the rocks that were gooped in the videos.....IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:12:05 PM
One of the talking heads on Greta said that one of the tools being used was used to drill into cement.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: "*******"

You know it.. Looks like Deepak flew home and was cleaning just 2 hours or so after Natalee walked in that car. You think they cut squares all over the headliner and back seat for chocolate?? It was confirmed that the FBI and ALE both thought it was blood.


They cleaned the car out when they got home on nite 1. If there was blood, chocolate and cleaning fluid in any part of his car he would have seen it and he would have removed it. Oduber made the statement that there was blood in the car. They didn't see any blood, or cleaning fluid and chocolate until it was in their possession. They attempted to set up the Kalpoes and tried to get the FBI to believe that was the murder car. Remeber ******* ~ thought it was blood... it was a set up by Comemencia


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:13:21 PM
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: mishy on April 27, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
I just can't resist this. LOL

Then I too am calling it a night. Keep the faith all.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
So were the "jack hammers" that we assumed were for digging in the pool surround cement actually the "earth hammers" that were used today?  

I want to see real Jack hammers to dig that cement pond.



 Be nice AZ.
Cement pond.. lol reminds me of the Beverly Hillbillys   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 27, 2007, 11:14:30 PM
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.


I would think anything easily burnable would not be buried. JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Everyone get ready for GRETA

I'm there, got the Closed Caption on! Of course it will be the last 5 minutes of the show after she rehashes the Baldwin visit on the View for 45 minutes.

 :oops:  :oops: Gotta admit, this Sole de la Rheebok ain't too bad  :oops:  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.

They've quieted down a bit now.  Trying to downplay.  Anger over what the poor Sloot's are having to endure, blah blah blah.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"

You know it.. Looks like Deepak flew home and was cleaning just 2 hours or so after Natalee walked in that car. You think they cut squares all over the headliner and back seat for chocolate?? It was confirmed that the FBI and ALE both thought it was blood.


They cleaned the car out when they got home on nite 1. If there was blood, chocolate and cleaning fluid in any part of his car he would have seen it and he would have removed it. Oduber made the statement that there was blood in the car. They didn't see any blood, or cleaning fluid and chocolate until it was in their possession. They attempted to set up the Kalpoes and tried to get the FBI to believe that was the murder car. Remeber ******* ~ thought it was blood... it was a set up by Comemencia


When the heat was turned up, there were people who tried to set up the Kalpoes.  I also believe there was more than one car involved here.  Remember the significance of the car rental company?  The Kalpoes had access to multiple cars and knew how to switch out parts of the cars.  When the FBI went to Beth and Dave on June 10, they told them they saw blood in the car and there was no way she was still alive.  I believe this.  The chocolate, cleaning fluid crap was a set up to throw the investigation off and/or implicate the Kalpoes more than the Sloots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 27, 2007, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: "Red"
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.

 

 I agree. Shit always happens on weekends. but.. this time.. it wasn't at 3 am like it has been in the past. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Artcolley on April 27, 2007, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.



I don't know. . . why not just burn them?  I don't know what they were looking for but tend to think it was something else.  Perhaps actual remains or a temporary burial place.  Or something larger that would be hard to eliminate like a rug.  We know a mattress was found elsewhere but that would also be a possibility.

I wonder why they took the plant away.  Were they just looking under it or was it something about the plant after all this time?  Could the thorns on the leaves match something elsewhere like on Guido's face or what could they have been looking for today.  I don't think it was just to see what they might happen upon but do think they had something specific.  I hope they return tomorrow and search more.

.



Anna, regarding the forensics team taking the tree (bush, plant or whatever that thing is!) Depending on how deep or tangled the root system is, it can entangle items within it. Perhaps they want to untangle the roots and see if anything was buried under it and got entangled...like personal belongings of Natalees.
Just a thought.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.

They've quieted down a bit now.  Trying to downplay.  Anger over what the poor Sloot's are having to endure, blah blah blah.


Paulus is going to be sooooo upset about his gardening. :twisted:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:20:00 PM
Perhaps this investigation is professional enough that the investigators will not talk to the media and will do their work without interference.  When the FBI work, the media is not a part of it.  Hopefully, this will happen here, too, and we'll know the outcome when it is done and not before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
well, remember they all said she "fell"

so there was blood and they had to use something to clean the blood

NO BEACH ------its a LOAD

SLOOT HOUSE OF HORRORS - was the CRIME SCENE

rags, clothes, something to clean up the blood

what safer place to bury a small little piece of cloth than your own yard

THANK YOU K2 brothers for coming clean

 8)

THANK YOU

Robots you are on the money.



I don't know. . . why not just burn them?  I don't know what they were looking for but tend to think it was something else.  Perhaps actual remains or a temporary burial place.  Or something larger that would be hard to eliminate like a rug.  We know a mattress was found elsewhere but that would also be a possibility.

I wonder why they took the plant away.  Were they just looking under it or was it something about the plant after all this time?  Could the thorns on the leaves match something elsewhere like on Guido's face or what could they have been looking for today.  I don't think it was just to see what they might happen upon but do think they had something specific.  I hope they return tomorrow and search more.

.

Anna you are right about it being a temporary place to bury something.  I don't think they had enough time to burn anying.  What if Natalee didn't die right away.  What if there was so much blood that between dealing with a hurt Natalee they also have to deal with cleaning up the house.  By Beth arriving on that island so fast she screwed up their plans.  So now Paulus knows he is being watch and temporarily burys something in his yard.  We don't know exactly what it is but it's something.  Where is the one place in the VDS house would you put a body?  I would say the bathtub.  Paulus took long to answer the door for a reason.  He needed to get them away from that house so they could get rid of something.  Could it have been her body and then the next day he put other evidence in the yard.  At this point I just don't know anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"

You know it.. Looks like Deepak flew home and was cleaning just 2 hours or so after Natalee walked in that car. You think they cut squares all over the headliner and back seat for chocolate?? It was confirmed that the FBI and ALE both thought it was blood.


They cleaned the car out when they got home on nite 1. If there was blood, chocolate and cleaning fluid in any part of his car he would have seen it and he would have removed it. Oduber made the statement that there was blood in the car. They didn't see any blood, or cleaning fluid and chocolate until it was in their possession. They attempted to set up the Kalpoes and tried to get the FBI to believe that was the murder car. Remeber ******* ~ thought it was blood... it was a set up by Comemencia


When the heat was turned up, there were people who tried to set up the Kalpoes.  I also believe there was more than one car involved here.  Remember the significance of the car rental company?  The Kalpoes had access to multiple cars and knew how to switch out parts of the cars.  When the FBI went to Beth and Dave on June 10, they told them they saw blood in the car and there was no way she was still alive.  I believe this.  The chocolate, cleaning fluid crap was a set up to throw the investigation off and/or implicate the Kalpoes more than the Sloots.


Exactly, if they would have had blood from Natalee they would have splashed it all over that car and made the computer records say Joran was home buffin the bishop and he would have been cleared. I have no doubt that all of this is Comemencia's doing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:22:23 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.

They've quieted down a bit now.  Trying to downplay.  Anger over what the poor Sloot's are having to endure, blah blah blah.


Paulus is going to be sooooo upset about his gardening. :twisted:  :twisted:


Ha, ha, ha!  The picture of Paulus actually gardening is a real hoot!  From all the pictures we saw of that house, no one gardened there or even bothered to pull the weeds or paint the house.  That makes the new concrete Paulus had poured even more odd.  They just aren't your typical weekend fixer-uppers, those Sloots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:22:23 PM
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:22:33 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Rob"
Whoa.. did you catch that????.. ALE in Kalpoe car... Papito....he just inadvertently flushed Comemencia down the toilet.



What Airhead Greta and Tacomeathead failed to mention was that PVDS' fellow Judge Bob Wit and good friend, Aruba government hack Ben Voking, met the search team at the door and limited the search by changing the scope of the warrant on site.

Papi Comemencia was the official police spokesperson that day, PVDS' close friend Jan van der Straten was the Lead Investigator.

Is it any wonder why this case stinks of corruption?

Yeah, they dance around that don't they. Never say anything specific, just  that the ALE did a poor job two years ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: "Red"
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.
I noticed it right away, yes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Sam"
I just can't resist this. LOL

Then I too am calling it a night. Keep the faith all.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.

And what about that car company that the three suspects mentioned in their back-seat police car chat?  What was the name of that company?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 27, 2007, 11:25:30 PM
I have been out to lunch lately, but I've tried to put a couple of things together.

How Joran Got Home

06/09 - Joran P-V - All 3 left Natalee at HI. (Signed by Joran.)
This fell apart apparently because of the security camera at HI.

06/13 - Joran P-V - Deepak picked him up from the beach ("came back with two dogs"). (Signed by Deepak.)
"I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”
To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.” No mention of shoes. (Signed by J Van der Straaten.)
This fell apart apparently because of calls/IMs to/from Joran/Deepak.

06/14 - Joran P-V - Deepak picked him up from the beach. (Signed by Joran.)
"Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them {the shoes} up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA."
<snip>
"I was dropped off at my house by Deepak on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.45." <snip>
"I had asked Deepak if he could pick up the shoes I left behind at the beach. Deepak told me that he would immediately go and get them. Then Deepak drove off."
Same as above - blown by calls/IMs to/from Joran/Deepak.

?? - The letter re. the wire tap - Paulus picked up Joran & Natalee at est. 4:00 a.m. near McDonalds. (This is what prevented Paulus from getting the $$ award.)

Joran's book - I *think* I have read that in Joran's book, Joran says Satish picked him up.

Query: Wasn't there also a version whereby Joran said the 2Ks and Natalee dropped Joran off at Joran's house? I don't see that in a P-V ...

Now, we all - even Joran - know he lies. Wasn't the "walking home barefoot" version the one he told Greta?

Wonder if she realizes he lied to her on her program?


Shoes
Deepak -  06/11 P-V -  says that Joran called him and said he was walking home barefoot.

Satish - 06/11 P-V - also mentions the shoes, in the context that Deepak told him what Joran said.

Deepak - 06/13 P-V - states that he inadvertently mentioned the shoes to Charles Croes when the group was at the HI. He also says that "every time we asked {Joran} about the shoes, he did not answer."

Joran - 06/14 P-V - states that he took off his shoes while he and Natalee were on the beach; they walked in the water. Before leaving, he could not find them. He looked the next day {Tuesday} but still did not find them.

Just a little refresher, and wonder if we can plug this in with other conflicting statements? Just focus on Getting Joran Home, and Shoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.

They've quieted down a bit now.  Trying to downplay.  Anger over what the poor Sloot's are having to endure, blah blah blah.


Paulus is going to be sooooo upset about his gardening. :twisted:  :twisted:


I wanna see something really, really upset Anita.  I think she's had her paws in this, and she has been mainly overlooked.  I would like to see the look on her porcine face when they haul her butt in...  She is an embarrassment to motherhood, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: "jill"
ummm - wtf is wrong with Greta's panel??

they are all making fun of this, saying it's too late.

omg - Bernie just said he didn't think Joran did this.

My first thought, Bernie must be getting some free meat for his Taco's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:27:38 PM
Quote from: "jill"
greta looks like hell these days.

Greta looks like hell everyday, look at Kenny Rogers and Burt Reynolds.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:28:32 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "*******"
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.

And what about that car company that the three suspects mentioned in their back-seat police car chat?  What was the name of that company?


Automotive Enterprises??

R & S?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
So were the "jack hammers" that we assumed were for digging in the pool surround cement actually the "earth hammers" that were used today?  

I want to see real Jack hammers to dig that cement pond.


Well, a construction worker emailed Greta with the brand and type of hammer.  He said cement.  But, maybe the ground is like cement.

Was the bush/tree by the gate??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "jill"
greta looks like hell these days.

Greta looks like hell everyday, look at Kenny Rogers and Burt Reynolds.  :D


I think the initial benefits of her plastic surgery are wearing off. Pre and post pics

(http://www.talksurgery.com/img/pic_greta_b.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:31:52 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "*******"
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.

And what about that car company that the three suspects mentioned in their back-seat police car chat?  What was the name of that company?


Automotive Enterprises??

R & S?


Don't forget that Lorenzo owned a car rental co that he is alleged to have sold in August 2005.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 11:32:00 PM
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "jill"
greta looks like hell these days.

Greta looks like hell everyday, look at Kenny Rogers and Burt Reynolds.  :D


I think the initial benefits of her plastic surgery are wearing off. Pre and post pics

(http://www.talksurgery.com/img/pic_greta_b.jpg)


oh my goodness :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 11:33:36 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
So were the "jack hammers" that we assumed were for digging in the pool surround cement actually the "earth hammers" that were used today?  

I want to see real Jack hammers to dig that cement pond.


Well, a construction worker emailed Greta with the brand and type of hammer.  He said cement.  But, maybe the ground is like cement.

Was the bush/tree by the gate??


I don't know, nor do I think it was noted.  Klaas found a similar plant by the pool area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 27, 2007, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "jill"
ummm - wtf is wrong with Greta's panel??

they are all making fun of this, saying it's too late.

omg - Bernie just said he didn't think Joran did this.

My first thought, Bernie must be getting some free meat for his Taco's.
ROFL!! :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:34:35 PM
Greta's panel has done an about-face, haven't they?  I distinctly remember them railing against the shoddy investigation, and all the circumstances that pointed to Joran and the Kalpoes.  Now, they wonder if someone else might be involved?  Huh?  Gee, think they are given a script to read, or at the least, teleprompter cards to read?  This show of Greta's is becoming less about news and more about the kind of spin that makes the unsophisticated viewer exclaim, "Geez--can you imagine that!"  If the real news is not comic-book exciting, well, then, they will just spin it around until maybe, just maybe, their speculation makes it sound more exciting.  Zap! Pow!  There you go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:34:38 PM
maybe the lawyer that KNOWS joran was INVOLVED

puked the INFO to someone else

oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


i love this theory  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Hotshot on April 27, 2007, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: "Red"
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.

I have been saying that all day


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:35:26 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Klaas, what's the scuttlebut on the "other" sites?  I know you sometimes find gems there from people on Aruba.

They've quieted down a bit now.  Trying to downplay.  Anger over what the poor Sloot's are having to endure, blah blah blah.


Paulus is going to be sooooo upset about his gardening. :twisted:  :twisted:


I wanna see something really, really upset Anita.  I think she's had her paws in this, and she has been mainly overlooked.  I would like to see the look on her porcine face when they haul her butt in...  She is an embarrassment to motherhood, IMO


I agree MuffyBee. She is just to much of the "take-charge" type as per her personal conduct in many of the interviews, to not know alot more than she has lead on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:35:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "*******"
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.

And what about that car company that the three suspects mentioned in their back-seat police car chat?  What was the name of that company?


Automotive Enterprises??

R & S?

You got it.  The Automotive Enterprises are not mentioned in the police car transcript for nothing.  They played a part in this cover up and if someone can't see that, they aren't looking!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT

 :? I don't know what to believe.

If the search started at early dawn Paulus would have been home.  He was not home right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Joran has a timeline?

WTF is Greta talking about?



If she had shit for brains she'd know Joran has five timelines.

When they opened up Greta's head to stretch out her face, lots of important brain cells fell out.  We should feel sorry for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Wish she named the other site.
Haven't seen her post for awhile.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 27, 2007, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: "Hotshot"
Quote from: "Red"
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.

I have been saying that all day


and what is this Monday and Tuesday holiday for?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "jill"
greta looks like hell these days.

Greta looks like hell everyday, look at Kenny Rogers and Burt Reynolds.  :D


I think the initial benefits of her plastic surgery are wearing off. Pre and post pics

(http://www.talksurgery.com/img/pic_greta_b.jpg)


oh my goodness :shock:  :shock:


Yep, 2002........those nip tucks only last for so long. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 27, 2007, 11:39:39 PM
Maybe they are not being overlooked.Hmm jorans big mouth is a problem,and the possible package can be opened and examined.JMO goodnight


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:39:58 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "*******"
AZLADY.. Car rental company? Yes we saw lots of them in the Aruba-Bay videos. They didnt exactly drive up in all Police Vehicles and a Hearst did they? That would draw way too much attention.

And what about that car company that the three suspects mentioned in their back-seat police car chat?  What was the name of that company?


Automotive Enterprises??

R & S?

You got it.  The Automotive Enterprises are not mentioned in the police car transcript for nothing.  They played a part in this cover up and if someone can't see that, they aren't looking!


I am reading taco's quote...

Greta:

And Joe, how stupid was it that first warrant was so limited? Here's the thing that I don't understand: I've done this timeline with you, with Beth with Joran, I do not understand today if they're being so thorough today, why they didn't go over to the Kalpoe brothers' home and go through their yard, do everything over there. Do you have any information at all that they're going to do that?

Tacopina:

I have no information and in fact I don't believe they're going to do that. If they were going to do that, certainly the element of surprise would be gone. I know they didn't do a forensic sweep on that car


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:40:21 PM
Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

If this is true, it is very telling.  Joran is a coward and if he felt the authorities were close to the truth, he would run.  No doubt about it.  If Joran is on the run, the truth will be out soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

If this is true, it is very telling.  Joran is a coward and if he felt the authorities were close to the truth, he would run.  No doubt about it.  If Joran is on the run, the truth will be out soon.


I dunno.  Sounds too good to be true, if you know what I mean.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:42:04 PM
If they burned clothes, shoes, navy underwear with embroidery...and scattered ashes in garden....can dogs pick up a scent??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:42:38 PM
Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: "Red"
So has anyone notices that once again Aruba dropped this search bombshell on a Friday to avoid the media news cycle?

They made this a common occurrence during the height of the investigation. Seems they are trying to avoid that onslaught of media 24-48 hrs coverage again.


I've posted this a couple times before, after Klaas brought over a post from MF, BUT, this is a weekend before a 2 day holiday in Aruba...Monday & Tuesday are holidays...sooooo, that was a question I had about the search and may also include your comment....

yeah, I said goodnight, but peeked back...normal for most of us...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.


Carlo?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:43:11 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
If they burned clothes, shoes, navy underwear with embroidery...and scattered ashes in garden....can dogs pick up a scent??




 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Tacopina:

I have no information and in fact I don't believe they're going to do that. If they were going to do that, certainly the element of surprise would be gone. I know they didn't do a forensic sweep on that car

Taco keeps opening his mouth and some of the truth spills out, no matter how hard he tries to keep it in.  Of course they didn't do a forensic sweep on that car.  They might have done a forensic sweep on some car at some time, so KJ could take something to Netherlands, but it was not on the Kalpoe car in which Natalee rode.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 27, 2007, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jossy: Opinion: Review of case caused this search
Joran's in Netherlands . Anita and Paul weren't home. Paul went to his home before search, left, and then they searched.

Rudy Croes requested the members of the forensic institute do this investigation.


The Forensic Institute of Holland?  The same one that according to Arlene and Joe Tacopina confirmed that it was Skeeters tapes were fraudulent, not Joe's representation of the van der Sloots?  

Evening Monkeys.  I know I'm responding to posts 12 pages and a few hours behind, but I was doing other things and missed Greta, knowing I could catch her at midnight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 27, 2007, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: "sb"
Hey, Greta gave Natalee half the show tonight!

Of couse she followed her coverage with the required Anna Nicole drivel of soap-opera wannabes fighting over that poor child's DNA. As usual.

It was interesting to me that Beth wasn't on the show for some kind of comment. Whats that say about Greta alliances?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.

Doesn't sound right to me either but getting a finger print of Natalee probably wouldn't be all that hard.  She probably had fingerprints all over her cell phone that was left in the hotel room, not to mention her hair brush and other items.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:44:37 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.

I was going to ask the same thing.  What is Paulus' full name.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:44:47 PM
didnt jorans lawyer say that joran was up to his frankstein BOLTS in this case


so, if he knows it

freddie knows it

k2 know it


thanks K2


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
If they burned clothes, shoes, navy underwear with embroidery...and scattered ashes in garden....can dogs pick up a scent??




 8)


Does that smile = one of your big bingos??  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:46:07 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
If they burned clothes, shoes, navy underwear with embroidery...and scattered ashes in garden....can dogs pick up a scent??




 8)


Does that smile = one of your big bingos??  :lol:


YES  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


WOW if Taco Joe's pointing the finger at the Kalpoe's dosen't convince those two to come foward with all that they know then they are even more ignorant than they look.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.

I was going to ask the same thing.  What is Paulus' full name.


Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:47:08 PM
l  This article says Joran was a one time suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway.  Hmpf.  It's more like a suspect ALL of the time.  As far as I know he has been the main suspect for a long time!

http://tinyurl.com/33e3h4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 27, 2007, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "sb"
Hey, Greta gave Natalee half the show tonight!

Of couse she followed her coverage with the required Anna Nicole drivel of soap-opera wannabes fighting over that poor child's DNA. As usual.

It was interesting to me that Beth wasn't on the show for some kind of comment. Whats that say about Greta alliances?


Every since Joe Tacopina and Joran put their charms to work on Greta, she's figured the Kalpoes were good for it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:48:01 PM
what was jorans lawyers name that said he was involved


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:48:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.


My kids were fingerprinted here in the states early on...and they are older than Natalee...maybe it could be from US records...just a thought...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


WOW if Taco Joe's pointing the finger at the Kalpoe's dosen't convince those two to come foward with all that they know then they are even more ignorant than they look.



My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

He sure is..We saw that PV released recently of Joran thinking that Deepak came back and raped and killer :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:49:18 PM
Quote from: "robots"
what was jorans lawyers name that said he was involved


Antonio Carlo  (now Paulus's partner)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:49:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.

Doesn't sound right to me either but getting a finger print of Natalee probably wouldn't be all that hard.  She probably had fingerprints all over her cell phone that was left in the hotel room, not to mention her hair brush and other items.


OK, I'll accept that there could be a finger print around, but the rest doesn't sound right and I don't believe it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:49:24 PM
Exciting day, colorful comments on the lively again  :lol:

FYI if one believes the phone call message it has been said Natalee left for William Morris which was "I don't know these people", well that phrase was part of a campaign by local LE across the country when child kidnappings began to escalate. Children were taught that phrase by LE in school programs and even at the local grocery stores in special programs which ALSO fingerprinted children as a perm record for parents should their children ever be kidnapped. I know only because my two kids came along during that era and both were fingerprinted, I still have the records along with some of the informational material.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: "robots"
what was jorans lawyers name that said he was involved



Antonio Carlo?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 27, 2007, 11:51:06 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Exciting day, colorful comments on the lively again  :lol:

FYI if one believes the phone call message it has been said Natalee left for William Morris which was "I don't know these people", well that phrase was part of a campaign by local LE across the country when child kidnappings began to escalate. Children were taught that phrase by LE in school programs and even at the local grocery stores in special programs which ALSO fingerprinted children as a perm record for parents should their children ever be kidnapped. I know only because my two kids came along during that era and both were fingerprinted, I still have the records along with some of the informational material.


Hey None...don't see you much.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 27, 2007, 11:51:22 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
l  This article says Joran was a one time suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway.  Hmpf.  It's more like a suspect ALL of the time.  As far as I know he has been the main suspect for a long time!

http://tinyurl.com/33e3h4

I think they are referring to Paulus as being the "one time suspect"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:51:39 PM
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:52:12 PM
Hi Buckeye, I know I miss everyone but such is the life of a working girl like me lately  :wink:

I hope all is well with you  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
If that is true and they never luminoled that car......I am just at a loss for words. How could that be? That is unconscienable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 27, 2007, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: "robots"
what was jorans lawyers name that said he was involved


Antonio Carlo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 27, 2007, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
A forensic team at the beginning might have been a good idea, ya' think????? Geeeeezzzz

I don't think that first warrant was limited, was it? I mean not before the judge/friend greeted the searchers at Paulus' door!


According to Beth and maybe JQK the warrant was for the whole property.  Joe Tacopina is the one who insists that ALE simply searched according to the court ordered search warrant.  They simply didn't get a warrant for the whole property.  Look for Greta's shade of lipstick on Joe T's behind.  Have the Forensic Institute of Holland verify that it IS in fact the same lipstick Greta is wearing and have them check for her DNA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:52:43 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Exciting day, colorful comments on the lively again  :lol:

FYI if one believes the phone call message it has been said Natalee left for William Morris which was "I don't know these people", well that phrase was part of a campaign by local LE across the country when child kidnappings began to escalate. Children were taught that phrase by LE in school programs and even at the local grocery stores in special programs which ALSO fingerprinted children as a perm record for parents should their children ever be kidnapped. I know only because my two kids came along during that era and both were fingerprinted, I still have the records along with some of the informational material.


Thanks for backing me up, there, Nonesey...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:52:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
l  This article says Joran was a one time suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway.  Hmpf.  It's more like a suspect ALL of the time.  As far as I know he has been the main suspect for a long time!

http://tinyurl.com/33e3h4

I think they are referring to Paulus as being the "one time suspect"


Could be.  They are all pretty much suspects to me at this point...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:52:57 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "robots"
what was jorans lawyers name that said he was involved



Antonio Carlo?


And why would plastic cups with Joran and Natalee's fingerprints be in Carlos' safe?  Maybe because they were taken from the house and proved that both Joran and Natalee were at the van der Sloot house that night.  I am puzzled though why Paulus would be employed by Carlo if Carlo knows what happened.  Does he just want to keep an eye on Paulus?  Or does Paulus just want to keep an eye on Carlo?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:53:39 PM
I believe that statement was made by the same nut that leaves tons of entertaining messages / comments on Michelle's site.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:53:39 PM
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:53:57 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


They don't do prints in NJ...not sure about AL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:54:49 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
If that is true and they never luminoled that car......I am just at a loss for words. How could that be? That is unconscienable.


Inconceivable isnt it? The last place Natalee was seen...

Too bad deepak has all new interior now.. I wonder if luminol would show traces underneath the new material?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Exciting day, colorful comments on the lively again  :lol:

FYI if one believes the phone call message it has been said Natalee left for William Morris which was "I don't know these people", well that phrase was part of a campaign by local LE across the country when child kidnappings began to escalate. Children were taught that phrase by LE in school programs and even at the local grocery stores in special programs which ALSO fingerprinted children as a perm record for parents should their children ever be kidnapped. I know only because my two kids came along during that era and both were fingerprinted, I still have the records along with some of the informational material.


Thanks for backing me up, there, Nonesey...


how's my fave bowl swishing monkey NJSons_Mom?  {{HUG}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 27, 2007, 11:55:35 PM
doctors offices took prints around here as a safety program

in case they were kidnapped

as well as a few other groups in case kids were abducted


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
If that is true and they never luminoled that car......I am just at a loss for words. How could that be? That is unconscienable.


Inconceivable isnt it? The last place Natalee was seen...

Too bad deepak has all new interior now.. I wonder if luminol would show traces underneath the new material?


Wouldn't it be hard to get rid of every teeny weeny tiny bit of blood?  It wouldn't take but a trace, say on the edge of a seam on the door or window or something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2007, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


I don't think they fingerprint for licenses. I had to take an FBI background check in November and they used this machine that uses water and a clear scanner that is all computerized. Not like the old ink and rollers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


No prints for passports in NJ, here....I think if at all, it was as a child...like here...my boys were done in grammar school...like Nonesuche stated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


fingerprints for passports? I just applied for a new one but just submitted my old one, I honestly don't remember if they do require those? Muffy did they for you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 27, 2007, 11:57:12 PM
I have prints of my own kids, taken when they were little as part of a child-safe, anti-kidnapping campaign..  None, I remember the "I don't know these people" campaign.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


Nope. AL doesn't print for DL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


I don't think they fingerprint for licenses. I had to take an FBI background check in November and they used this machine that uses water and a clear scanner that is all computerized. Not like the old ink and rollers.


They do thumb prints for licenses in Texas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 27, 2007, 11:57:38 PM
I've taken care of ALL my chores so I can settle in and watch Greta again. I want to hear once more what Jossy says about the search........I thought I heard him say it was completed, but maybe he was just talking about for today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2007, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Exciting day, colorful comments on the lively again  :lol:

FYI if one believes the phone call message it has been said Natalee left for William Morris which was "I don't know these people", well that phrase was part of a campaign by local LE across the country when child kidnappings began to escalate. Children were taught that phrase by LE in school programs and even at the local grocery stores in special programs which ALSO fingerprinted children as a perm record for parents should their children ever be kidnapped. I know only because my two kids came along during that era and both were fingerprinted, I still have the records along with some of the informational material.


Thanks for backing me up, there, Nonesey...


how's my fave bowl swishing monkey NJSons_Mom?  {{HUG}}


I'm swishing for a lot, and flushing the rest....(((Hugs))) back to you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 27, 2007, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


fingerprints for passports? I just applied for a new one but just submitted my old one, I honestly don't remember if they do require those? Muffy did they for you?


I was trying to remember.  Got passport years ago.  I don't think they did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 27, 2007, 11:59:00 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
I have prints of my own kids, taken when they were little as part of a child-safe, anti-kidnapping campaign..  None, I remember the "I don't know these people" campaign.


Hi AZ, glad NJSons and I aren't the only ones who remember that campaign, heck I still have my kids' first teeth they lost  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 27, 2007, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Natalee had a driver's license.  Wouldn't there be prints from when that was processed?


What I have always wondered about, is that it has been stated in the past(Frank Golba specifically) that Natalee was wearing some form of  jewelry. I know if any were found it would not be enough to tie anyone to the case. But murders so often retain "souvenirs" from their victims, that I would not be suprised if something along that line would be found  at the sloots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 27, 2007, 11:59:10 PM
No prints for passports either.  At least mine at age 15 didn't have hers printed for her passport.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 27, 2007, 11:59:14 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
If that is true and they never luminoled that car......I am just at a loss for words. How could that be? That is unconscienable.


Inconceivable isnt it? The last place Natalee was seen...

Too bad deepak has all new interior now.. I wonder if luminol would show traces underneath the new material?


Joe T was burbling that some of the forensic tests/equipment may not have been available to the Aruban LE.   Pffffttttt

Also I would expect there would plenty of Natalee's prints still available at her home????  Maybe it was dusted for prints two years ago?

Just catching up again - went out to buy Vegetables on page 5 - came back to page 14


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: dkpen on April 27, 2007, 11:59:30 PM
hmmm I was wondering...

Since this is near the 2 year mark of Natalee missing and close to the time schedule for the investigation to close or the case to close...I wonder if this is something they are doing or using so that they can claim to have searched and investigated all that they could and found nothing new. So now Paulus can take them back to court and sue this time?  hmmm was just wondering about that.

I was also wondering if Paulus was leaked or put on notice before hand on this search? He could of rid of any evidence lingering around, ie package Joran sent to Paulus with cd with pictures of Natalee and her drivers license, if this is true?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 27, 2007, 11:59:47 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I've taken care of ALL my chores so I can settle in and watch Greta again. I want to hear once more what Jossy says about the search........I thought I heard him say it was completed, but maybe he was just talking about for today.


Partial Transcript

Greta:

Jossy, what happened today in Aruba in this investigation?

Jossy:

Today the Dutch team that came to Aruba about a week ago went at full force at Paul van der Sloot's house. They set up a tent there, they brought 3 dogs, they brought specific search equipment, they brought a judge and a Prosecutor with them and the began to search the premises of Paul's house.

Greta:

Have the premises ever been searched before Jossy?

Jossy:

No, not the house itself or the property but they did search Joran's apartment which is on the premises but not attached to the house itself. From there they took many black bags with them plastic bags with a lot of material which they sent to Holland

Greta:

Today, was anything seized?

Jossy:

We don't know that for certain because they kept a distance between our reporters and themselves. They went inside the property and did their searches and I know they dug up some holes and some holes somewhere on the property but we don't know what else they did. These people are very secretive.

Greta:

One of the things they had was a metal rod; we're looking at a picture right now that looks like that metal rod that's been reported. They had metal rods and shovels; any clue as to what they might have been looking for with those metal rods and shovels. I hate to be graphic, but are they looking for a body or something else?

Jossy:

I don't think they were looking for a body; I think they were looking for something else. They came down here with some specific idea of something to search for on that property. I don't think they would have moved so much human and financial resources just to put out a show for the press. I don't either think this search is based on a hunch or a rumor or some unspecific lead. Something brought them to Aruba and something took them directly to Paul van der Sloot's house and property.

Greta:

Is the search still under way or have they completed their work and they're gone now?

Jossy:

Their work is completed and they've retired to wherever they're staying in Aruba. They stayed there for about 8 hours from about 9:00 or 9:30 and they finished at about 5:30 in the afternoon

Greta:

No arrests right?

Jossy:

No arrests

Greta:

They didn't as far as we know go to the Kalpoe residence did they?

Jossy:

No, the Kalpoe brothers were not part of this specific search

Greta:

Jossy do you have the sense that they are simply being complete and going back and finishing something they didn't do two years ago or do you have the sense that they are on to something?

Jossy:

I have the sense that they are on to something because as I said before, I don't think they would have moved so many people to Aruba with so much expense involved, so much energy and all this equipment and dogs; I don't think they came here for an unspecific reason. They must have had some leads and today the Ministry of Justice put out a Press Release in which they justified this, tying it to something that came up during their review of all these tons of documents and tapes that they took with them to Holland awhile back.

Greta:

Where is Joran van der Sloot? Is he in Aruba or in Holland?

Jossy:

Joran is still in school in the Netherlands. He's busy with his book over there.

Greta:

And Paul and Anita his parents, were they home at the time of this search?

Jossy:

No they weren't but they did go and inform Paul van der Sloot at the courthouse, he is a practicing lawyer now. He was at the courthouse and they went to inform him that they were going to perform this search and he went to his home and then he left after about 15 or 20 minutes and he hasn't been back by 6 o'clock.

Greta:

The fact that a Judge and Prosecutor were on the scene as the search warrant was being executed, is that peculiar or is that procedure?

Jossy:

That's normal procedure here.

Greta:

Karin Janssen who was the Prosecutor is no longer in Aruba, she's been removed, she's completed her term. She's not the one running this right?

Jossy:

No she's not, she's in Holland. She has another task over there. She's completely removed from this as far as officially is concerned.

Greta:

Who is in charge of this investigation?

Jossy:

This investigation is in charge by the people from Holland because remember that the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes requested the intervention of the Dutch investigators in this case. These people belong to the forensic institute of Holland.

Greta:

Jossy, thank you sir.

What were the investigators looking for and what are the prosecutors hoping to prove. Our producer on the ground in Aruba caught up with the spokesperson for the Prosecutor's office earlier

** I'm not transcribing this short portion. The producer spoke to Vivian
van der Biezen from the Prosecutor's Office on a videophone, and both the video and audio were just terrible.

Greta:

What does Joran have to say about today's events? His american lawyer Joe Tacopina spoke with Joran earlier today. Joe Tacopina joins us.

What does your client say about this search at his home in Aruba?

Tacopina:

Not much, I mean he was surprised, did not know about it. He's pretty much accustomed to this sort of routine going on at this point, so nothing surprises Joran or the family. They're a little distressed, this is 2 years later and they're being placed back in the eye of the storm. We've been there before and this is going to be another scenario where they do a search, do a dig and come up with nothing because Natalee Holloway was never at that house.

I think this is a positive turn of events for the van der Sloots. I believe this could be the beginning of the end. The Aruban authorities I've been told today want to close this case. The Dutch authorities who oversee the Aruban authorities basically said that until they have all their questions answered, they're not going to do that. The first time the van der Sloot residence was searched, it wasn't searched thoroughly, it wasn't search completely because the warrant that was executed at the time, limited them to certain parts of the house and property. This warrant does not do that, it's letting them excavate, dig and do all these things. I think this will put to rest any notion

Greta:

And Joe, how stupid was it that first warrant was so limited? Here's the thing that I don't understand: I've done this timeline with you, with Beth with Joran, I do not understand today if they're being so thorough today, why they didn't go over to the Kalpoe brothers' home and go through their yard, do everything over there. Do you have any information at all that they're going to do that?

Tacopina:

I have no information and in fact I don't believe they're going to do that. If they were going to do that, certainly the element of surprise would be gone. I know they didn't do a forensic sweep on that car

Greta:

They had the car

Tacopina:

This is a different squad Greta, these are forensic professionals here. We had not had this before. These are people who came with the appropriate forensic equipment, modern day science, stuff that wasn't used early on in this investigation. I wish quite frankly it was but I have no information that they will be doing anything with the Kalpoes.

There have been some rumors, some leads you know. We heard at one point one of these advocates if you will, for the anti Joran movement that she's buried underneath the pool or something. So I don't know if they're following up on rumors, I don't know if they're looking to close up all the loose ends. I don't know if they're trying to make sense out of the inconsistencies in the stories initially told but look, I think quite frankly, once this investigation is done, when this search is completed, the forensic analysis is completed, I think this will prove once and for all that Joran had nothing to do with this and I hope it's the beginning of the end.

Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.

Tacopina:

Greta, the search of Paul's house early on was done by police officers who went there looking for things like clothes and shoes. They never went in with a forensic team like this. By the way, we're two years down the road now so I don't know what sort of value they expect to find but hopefully they get their answers, they satisfy themselves and hopefully the people I spoke to in Aruba are right in the suspicion that this may be the beginning of the end.

Greta:

I think they need to go to everybody's house as well as talk to a bunch of people on the beach that they never bothered to talk to including some who may have had connection with others on the island. Joe thank you.

What are the Dutch investigators looking for. Let's bring in former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman. Mark your hair must be standing on end in the fact they had a limited warrant after she disappeared and 2 years later now they're going around the yard and apparently now wanting to do a more thorough job.

Fuhrman:

Of course it drives me crazy, certainly with the evidence they had that we just knew almost 2 years ago, it seemed to be enough to get a search warrant for the complete premises but we have to look at this too: Paul could have said of course you can search everything, I have nothing to hide, my son is innocent, I'm innocent and we welcome you to do this.

Greta:

Maybe they didn't bother to ask them

Fuhrman:

Perhaps he should have offered but, let's look at the other side of the coin here. The Netherlands sent this group of detectives, forensic scientists and they're actually trying to do the job that should have been done then. We also have to consider that they could have gotten new information that went just a little bit further than probably cause, information that might lead them to start looking for what I assume is decomposing human matter, a decomposing corpse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:00:29 AM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


fingerprints for passports? I just applied for a new one but just submitted my old one, I honestly don't remember if they do require those? Muffy did they for you?


I was trying to remember.  Got passport years ago.  I don't think they did.


Nope, not for passports.  I got mine decades ago--no fingerprinting.  Kids got theirs in the past 5 years and no prints.

However, every kid in our preschool was fingerprinted and the prints given to parents to keep for safekeeping as an identification tool in case of kidnapping or anything worse.  I still have them and son is 26 now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:00:36 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "AZLady"
I have prints of my own kids, taken when they were little as part of a child-safe, anti-kidnapping campaign..  None, I remember the "I don't know these people" campaign.


Hi AZ, glad NJSons and I aren't the only ones who remember that campaign, heck I still have my kids' first teeth they lost  :lol:


Oh, boy...so do I..just don't ask me where everything is right now...then, I'd be in real trouble.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 12:01:13 AM
maybe Natalee "fell" right on the sloot property

if she fell, jewelry could have fallen, broken tooth, chipped tooth

and if K2 were there and witnessed it.........

well, there ya go  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


fingerprints for passports? I just applied for a new one but just submitted my old one, I honestly don't remember if they do require those? Muffy did they for you?

I don't remember being fingerprinted for mine and that was almost 3 years ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 28, 2007, 12:03:33 AM
Our state had a campaign when my child was in 1st or 2nd grade. They took her pic & fingerprint & put it on a plastic card with her DOB, hair & eye color  & even noted her birthmark. I still have the card.
Ga does fingerprint for DL but not for passports.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 12:04:15 AM
I make one post and then poof!  I am two pages behind.   :roll:

Hi Nonsey.  How was it?  Did it all go as planned?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:04:25 AM
dkpen....I'm being a PITA, but I think your sig line is blowing the margin a bit....it's so pretty, maybe I'm the PITA... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 12:04:50 AM
No, no fingerprints for passports.  I was just trying to think back, since it's been a number of years.  I remember when my first son was just a little boy, there was a program that was available, where you put your childs hand prints on a card to keep in case they were missing at some time.  There is a new thing out now, where you even clip a piece of your childs hair and keep it in an envelope (DNA) so you have it available...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:04:57 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
If that is true and they never luminoled that car......I am just at a loss for words. How could that be? That is unconscienable.


Inconceivable isnt it? The last place Natalee was seen...

Too bad deepak has all new interior now.. I wonder if luminol would show traces underneath the new material?


I would certainly think so, if the floor boards in the car were checked. I know this is gruesome, and I don't want to be tactless, but I imagine the quantity of bllod would be a determing factor. There would have had to be enough blood to saturate the carpet and seep through.......sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:05:13 AM
If Antonio Carlo was hiding evidence, this is BIG. Not that I believe what that person posted necessarily, but it points to how large a circle of people are involved with this little scheme.

I think that if Joran were on the run, that would be BIG news in our media and they would be able to substantiate if that were true or not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: "robots"
maybe Natalee "fell" right on the sloot property

if she fell, jewelry could have fallen, broken tooth, chipped tooth

and if K2 were there and witnessed it.........

well, there ya go  8)

Oh the K2's witnessed it alright.

"Satish Kalpoe - How is the girl"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I make one post and then poof!  I am two pages behind.   :roll:

Hi Nonsey.  How was it?  Did it all go as planned?


it did and I came out the other side  :lol: now I just don't know if ever I'll have a day of rest again  :lol: {{HUG}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:06:08 AM
Blood :roll:  this darn laptop always messes me up . Gotta blame something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
maybe Natalee "fell" right on the sloot property

if she fell, jewelry could have fallen, broken tooth, chipped tooth

and if K2 were there and witnessed it.........

well, there ya go  8)

Oh the K2's witnessed it alright.

"Satish Kalpoe - How is the girl"




yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:06:47 AM
I'm going to bed but want to leave with this;
I don't think the Dutch went thru this big ordeal just to close the case. I don't think the KLPD want to be compared to the ALE by anyone's stretch. I think they think they hold a higher standard of creditbility.

I think somebody will go down, not sure who yet but someone is going to take the fall.  I think our next outrage is going to be the sentence levied on said fall guy(s).

Been logged on here since 10am this morning, time to say goodnite.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: dkpen on April 28, 2007, 12:06:58 AM
I didn't have to be finger printed for my passport 2 years ago nor on my FLA drivers license.

I'm sure finding Natalee's finger prints were easy to come by. In her hotel room, brush, toothbrush, cell phone, camera, lugage ect...if not there, I'm sure Beth would of allowed the FBI to take prints from Natalee's room.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: "sb"
If Antonio Carlo was hiding evidence, this is BIG. Not that I believe what that person posted necessarily, but it points to how large a circle of people are involved with this little scheme.

I think that if Joran were on the run, that would be BIG news in our media and they would be able to substantiate if that were true or not.


Hi SB, thank you for your kind comments on the fball thread, I need to send you something via email soon.

I'd like to know what you think, are you aware that Antonio Carlo and Paulus left Antonio's firm and hung out their own shingle, just the two of them? What do you think of that move?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I make one post and then poof!  I am two pages behind.   :roll:

Hi Nonsey.  How was it?  Did it all go as planned?


it did and I came out the other side  :lol: now I just don't know if ever I'll have a day of rest again  :lol: {{HUG}}


 :shock: Sounds like you fell through a hole...doesn't sound as funny as you depict. :o


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 12:07:44 AM
Robots
I think they did that search for a reason.  I don't think they could search without a warrant and there would need to be reasons besides just a review of the evidence previously obtained.

I know I am hoping beyond hope, but if Joe T. can hope then I can too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I'm going to bed but want to leave with this;
I don't think the Dutch went thru this big ordeal just to close the case. I don't think the KLPD want to be compared to the ALE by anyone's stretch. I think they think they hold a higher standard of creditbility.

I think somebody will go down, not sure who yet but someone is going to take the fall.  I think our next outrage is going to be the sentence levied on said fall guy(s).

Been logged on here since 10am this morning, time to say goodnite.

Goodnight Indy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
none, that sounds to me like a move to the last refuge of 2 scoundrels.

"Partners In Crime" at its best.

It could also mean that they were somewhat "outcasts" in the legal community down there (note the meeting where that Jorg guy dressed down PVDS publicly), and/or that they were allied in matters that went beyond the legal field. Like drugs, poorno and gambling.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 12:10:04 AM
By the way, here is something for your children:

National Child Identification Program
Enclosed kit includes:
Inkless Fingerprint Kit(take fingerprints in your own home, with no messy black ink to clean)
Laminated Wallet Card(Contains fingerprint and picture.  Carry it with you)
DNA Collection Envelope(Allows parents to collect and store DNA)

For a kit call 1-888-554-3548 or contact: www.childidprogram.com

I picked one of these up free.  It would be good to have a current photo of your child and fingerprints


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:10:35 AM
Goodnight, again...got sucked in responding to Red...need to rest these bones... :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: "sb"
none, that sounds to me like a move to the last refuge of 2 scoundrels.

"Partners In Crime" at its best.

It could also mean that they were somewhat "outcasts" in the legal community down there (note the meeting where that Jorg guy dressed down PVDS publicly), and/or that they were allied in matters that went beyond the legal field. Like drugs, poorno and gambling.


well my thoughts too sb, thanks for validating that for me

NJSons_mom I've just been really busy, no rabbit hole swallowed tall ole me up  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 12:11:56 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Goodnight, again...got sucked in responding to Red...need to rest these bones... :)


Good night-sleep tight.  I'm turning in too...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 28, 2007, 12:12:04 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Robots
I think they did that search for a reason.  I don't think they could search without a warrant and there would need to be reasons besides just a review of the evidence previously obtained.

I know I am hoping beyond hope, but if Joe T. can hope then I can too.


Lala's - I agree with you.  And I think it was something substantial, not just a show.  They have new information.  Perhaps a witness who can place Natalee there.  I doubt very seriously they went to a judge and the judge allowed them the search just for the heck of it.  There is alot of investigators on this.  

All it takes is just a little something - just a small bit of evidence found at the home, after they claim she was never there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:12:56 AM
Maybe a hotel room key?

++++++++++++++++++++++++


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
The point about the search warrant is significant too. That is true that they cannot get a warrant without cause, and obviously the Dutch system must make that process somewhat arduous.

They appear to have gotten expedited service from somewhere, for some compelling reason.

This makes me NOT want to discount the nychic post just yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:13:35 AM
Thank You so much ******* for posting the transcript!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: "sb"
none, that sounds to me like a move to the last refuge of 2 scoundrels.

"Partners In Crime" at its best.

It could also mean that they were somewhat "outcasts" in the legal community down there (note the meeting where that Jorg guy dressed down PVDS publicly), and/or that they were allied in matters that went beyond the legal field. Like drugs, poorno and gambling.


I agree.  There are lawyers who specialize in services that are not normally advertised--like passports for people who can't get legal passports, and offshore accounts used to funnel large amounts of money.  Carlo and PVDS may provide these services.  PVDS has a history of gathering information that may or may not come in handy in the future, doesn't he?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:16:06 AM
One more:
I'm a proven idiot on predictions but here I go again.
I think Quido sqealed. His family cut a deal with the Dutch while in the NL and thats what got this whole thing started with the KLPD investigation. That's also why ZitFace's book was delayed and why we now have a "Marco"

Now I mean it, I'm going to bed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 12:16:48 AM
AZLady, I agree and I think Paulus could go global as a consultant for how to blackmail effectively without ever opening one's mouth beyond the dark corners and bushes he lurks within...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I make one post and then poof!  I am two pages behind.   :roll:

Hi Nonsey.  How was it?  Did it all go as planned?


it did and I came out the other side  :lol: now I just don't know if ever I'll have a day of rest again  :lol: {{HUG}}


 :shock: Sounds like you fell through a hole...doesn't sound as funny as you depict. :o


I  think that was Alice in Wonderland.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:17:15 AM
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:18:33 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


You mean recently?  as in the last week when the Dutch investigators arrived?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:18:35 AM
I wonder if the DeVries conclusions, including his observations that the property wasn't searched, was the impetus for this property search today? DeVries is "one of their own", not the American media, which has been painted as unfairly biased.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
Klaas meant to tell you the barf bag is a classic  :lol:

oh this alice in wonderland is zapped, heading to get some zzz's and hope we have the patience to wait this out.......we have a whole weekend to endure now .

rest well all !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


That was posted several times today here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:20:07 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?

I'm not sure if he was.  It was reported by MF then MF said Paulus just spoke to investigators for a while at his home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I wonder if the DeVries conclusions, including his observations that the property wasn't searched, was the impetus for this property search today? DeVries is "one of their own", not the American media, which has been painted as unfairly biased.


And, you know we heard promises of another DeVries show, a kind of follow-up, but it has not happened.  I wonder if the Dutch investigation found enough to ask DeVries to hold off and not film a follow-up show quite yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:21:24 AM
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?

I'm not sure if he was.  It was reported by MF then MF said Paulus just spoke to investigators for a while at his home.

And didn't I read that Paulus spoke to investigators at his home and left the home within about 15-20 minutes, not returning until 6 pm?  Think they told him to get lost?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:23:02 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.


YES.  I've said this for two years now and nothing has changed my mind.  The Sloot home is where the assault and murder took place and where her body was eventually buried.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:23:39 AM
I'd kind of like to know what Joran's status is tonight. I HIGHLY doubt if any of our resident Internet sleuths will find him out there on Myspace or Tickle this lovely evening.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:24:43 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


You mean recently?  as in the last week when the Dutch investigators arrived?


Yes posted by MF:

Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 11:35 am   
    
Paul v/d Sloot is in costudy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:25:06 AM
Regardless of how this turns out, Beth and Dave have a boatload of evidence to file a civil suit against ALE and the entire justice system of Aruba. I don't expect that to ever happen, but I honestly believe they stand a real chance for answers by finding a venue to put questions to them. That suit is winable even in Aruba, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 28, 2007, 12:26:06 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.


YES.  I've said this for two years now and nothing has changed my mind.  The Sloot home is where the assault and murder took place and where her body was eventually buried.


Well, they have always denied she was ever there......hmmmm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:26:09 AM
Quote from: "sb"
I'd kind of like to know what Joran's status is tonight. I HIGHLY doubt if any of our resident Internet sleuths will find him out there on Myspace or Tickle this lovely evening.  :wink:


I hope the FBI are tailing him.  Wouldn't you think they would watch him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 12:26:18 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


WOW if Taco Joe's pointing the finger at the Kalpoe's dosen't convince those two to come foward with all that they know then they are even more ignorant than they look.


JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


You mean recently?  as in the last week when the Dutch investigators arrived?


Yes posted by MF:

Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 11:35 am   
    
Paul v/d Sloot is in costudy.

Bleached - he posted that and came back later and denied it.  He also posted that they would be picking up Joran too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:28:20 AM
Well, on an island the size of Aruba, it wouldn't be hard to keep track of where someone was.  I doubt they need to actually lock him up to have him in "custody."  More likely they told him to get off the premises of the VDS compound and to come back at 6 PM.  He knows he can't hide.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 12:28:39 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I wonder if the DeVries conclusions, including his observations that the property wasn't searched, was the impetus for this property search today? DeVries is "one of their own", not the American media, which has been painted as unfairly biased.


I think soo..It was something that had to be looked at. Devries mentioned the ALE thinks something happened at that garden. KLPD knows that and sees it in the files. They requestioned witnesses yesterday which most likely prompted todays search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:31:38 AM
DeVries spoke with witnesses to draw the conclusions he did. I'd bet that those witness statements are behind this search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I am reading from earlier over at FOB that Paulus was actually broght in for questioning? Have we heard any more about that? Has anyone else been questioned again?


You mean recently?  as in the last week when the Dutch investigators arrived?


Yes posted by MF:

Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 11:35 am   
    
Paul v/d Sloot is in costudy.

Bleached - he posted that and came back later and denied it.  He also posted that they would be picking up Joran too.


I read they were looking for Joran.....I would not be suprised if they took Paulus "downtown" while they searched, unlike the first search where he was allowed to voice his opinion about what they could and could not search. Thanks Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 12:33:39 AM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi miss muffybee, our state doesn't but I have no idea if AL does.


Texas does, that's why I wondered if perhaps Natalee had hers done.  Passports?


I think my boys had to be finger-printed when they were in high school before they traveled abroad.  I seem to recall Natalee had been to Europe and perhaps this was, if she was, fingerprinted ,the time it was done.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:34:42 AM
Bath time, brb - try not to get to page 50 ok?  lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 28, 2007, 12:34:50 AM
Did everyone see this on the FP?  #13

Hello to all you good people. I love every one of you for standing up for Natalee and our family. If you remember awhile back I ask every one of you to pray for the next layer to be removed, to uncover what happen, and who are involved. We have to be in God’s timing for this to happen and have faith that God is working for justice to happen. Well, this team from Holland could be that break. I ask you to press in close to God and pray for the team of investigators to do the best job they can and be honest, truthful, and for people to come forward that has information, and for the evil spirits and anyone else that are fighting again this to be bound up and exposed in the light of truth and justice, that doors will be open to the investigators and real meaningful facts come forward.


God for forgive me for my sins and I pray to be a blessing to others and to serve you. Please Father give us wisdom and answers. I pray for Paul Sloot to confess all he knows in Jesus name amen. God Bless. Steve Holloway


Comment by Steve Holloway | April 27, 2007, 10:06 pm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I wonder if the DeVries conclusions, including his observations that the property wasn't searched, was the impetus for this property search today? DeVries is "one of their own", not the American media, which has been painted as unfairly biased.


I think soo..It was something that had to be looked at. Devries mentioned the ALE thinks something happened at that garden. KLPD knows that and sees it in the files. They requestioned witnesses yesterday which most likely prompted todays search.


I take that back..Its obvious they had this planned at least a week ago. I am sure they are sending hollands best to search that residence.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:35:17 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"

JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.


The Kalpoes have been pressure cooked for about two years now.  For the first year and a half, the Sloots and KJ and the rest of the smarmy team had their hands on their throats.  However, in the last six months, the power has shifted in Aruba.  KJ is gone and the files went to Holland to be thoroughly inspected.  Maybe the Kalpoes now realize that it is now safer to talk, and they have told what they know.  I hope so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:37:45 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.

BINGO!
You are so right, sister San!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:38:18 AM
The entire corrupt cover-up and inept actions of ALE has given Tacky the opportunity to also use it in Joran's defense. That's a strategy that was adopted only after Tacky came on the scene. It was then late enough, with enough gone "under the bridge" to allow it. Both sides, at this point, are in agreement that ALE mishandled the case. THAT point should be the rallying point for boycott, even for those who hate Beth and support Joran.

THE ISLAND ISN'T SAFE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:39:18 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


WOW if Taco Joe's pointing the finger at the Kalpoe's dosen't convince those two to come foward with all that they know then they are even more ignorant than they look.


JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.

Tyler, Deepak is smarter than Joran.  He made the mistake of talking to Skeeters but ever since then he has shut up.  Joran keeps yapping and yapping and didn't listen to one thing he was told.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"


JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.



I agree Tyler, although I can't figure why they didn't do it before this. If they had the beans to spill, I would think they would have wanted to so do some time before NOW, and spare themselves the trouble they have been going through. Unless they're AFRAID of someone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: the big hammer on April 28, 2007, 12:41:11 AM
L'il Joey

Based on what he said, I'd presume Beth has a very tight malfesance case against the Government of Aruba.   He essentially said they were incompetent.

JQ Kelly is the mastermind and instrument of this whole thing -- and he is after Paulus.

And, he will get him.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZLady on April 28, 2007, 12:41:17 AM
I'm off to bed now.  I am so happy this is happening.  Justice will prevail for Natalee. Now, we need to be sure the sneaky little weasel doesn't try to run--but I believe as long as Mommy and Daddy are on the island, the kid might run but he he'll always come home.  Thanks, Monkeys, for keeping the faith for Natalee.  See ya tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.

BINGO!
You are so right, sister San!   :lol:

Hi AZLady good to see you in the cage tonight.

On that note I'm calling it a night.  Goodnight Everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 12:44:27 AM
Tylergal wrote;
Quote
JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil. I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc. It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know. They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.


Hmmmm some very interesting thought ther Tylergal. "Imagine even your own father". I'll have to ponder your post for abit.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:45:45 AM
I don't think any suspect, up until these recent developments, has been particularly afraid. They've had a lot to convince them that if they simply keep quiet, it will go away.

Joran can't seem to do that, but he's too arrogant by nature to have been shaking over the prospects of being found out. Given enough rope, he'll hang himself in the end.

The most optimistic hope here, IMO, is that someone else besides the K2s has said something that came from Joran, or that they knew independantly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 12:46:32 AM
Rob

If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:47:16 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
L'il Joey

Based on what he said, I'd presume Beth has a very tight malfesance case against the Government of Aruba.   He essentially said they were incompetent.

JQ Kelly is the mastermind and instrument of this whole thing -- and he is after Paulus.

And, he will get him.

.


Oh Hammer! You encourage me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 12:47:17 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Quote from: "Tylergal"


JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.



I agree Tyler, although I can't figure why they didn't do it before this. If they had the beans to spill, I would think they would have wanted to so do some time before NOW, and spare themselves the trouble they have been going through. Unless they're AFRAID of someone.


Suppose you as a prominent attorney,  tell me and I am not aware of the laws and how they work because I am essentially a foreigner in your land, that if I tell anything I can go to prison and suffer the same consequences as the one who "pulled the trigger" (sotaspeak) and then later over time, I realize that you were not only wrong, but you were telling me this in order to hold my misconduct (whatever that may involve, maybe selling drugs or maybe living illegally in Aruba, or maybe I am running a scam computer business that involves porno) so I believe that whatever you tell me is the gospel and then later I see you have been scamming me to cover your own a** and that of your corrupt spawn of satan.  Then I see there is not only an opportunity for me to clear my name, but for me to gain monetarily in the long haul as in selling my story to the media after the big gallon-jughead has been found guilty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 12:48:35 AM
Whether it's K2 or someone else, we have to ask ourselves what is DIFFERENT now... there had to be some kind of fundamental sea change in the situation that caused the "witness" to come forward. What could it be?

Did they assume they were safe?

Hate to say it this way, but we may find out who it is when Diario announces the next bizarre "accidental" death that leaves us scratching our heads.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 12:53:34 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Rob

If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.


 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: dkpen on April 28, 2007, 12:54:59 AM
Think maybe Beth and Dave could sue Aruba, Aruba Government, ALE, Officials and AHTA in the International Court of Justice? I think Beth and Dave would have a good case to take to ICoJ.


hmm, I just remember something...
When Greta interviewed Joran, Joran looked dead into the camera and said something like..."I want my father to know I am here for him", or something like that.  

I just struck me odd Joran to say that and suddenly look dead serious into the camera when he said it.  Made me think Joran wanted his father know he was covering for him and not to worry, he has his back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:55:59 AM
I think it's probable that the investigators were assigned to this now because of the timeframe for making a decision to close the case or not. I think that DeVries conclusions caused them to examine his sources and conclusions, take a look at his unanswered questions and criticisms, and they decided to "officially" look into his issues and points.

It may turn something up. I WANT to believe that JQK has pushed for this to happen, and has consistently kept the DeVries investigation in front of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:56:13 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.


I agree San, but that mess at the rock area was hard to get past.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Rob

If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.


 :shock:


yep, thats him.. he started the site about a year ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Rob

If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.


 :shock:


yep, thats him.. he started the site about a year ago.


Thanks.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:59:12 AM
Didn't DeVries conclude or suggest anyway that Natalee died at the VDS house, or on the property?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:59:18 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
L'il Joey

Based on what he said, I'd presume Beth has a very tight malfesance case against the Government of Aruba.   He essentially said they were incompetent.

JQ Kelly is the mastermind and instrument of this whole thing -- and he is after Paulus.

And, he will get him.

.


I concur and he almost got him once. Good to See you Hammer. He has always been after Paulus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:00:05 AM
Great repeat on


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 28, 2007, 01:00:11 AM
I agree with Rob that the post brought over from Michelle's site (the post about Joran being at large, etc.) might not be true.

It is written in the style of one poster who usually writes outlandish tales.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: spooky112483 on April 28, 2007, 01:02:10 AM
Hi ya'll. I just finished writing a paper for class and checked out the front page and hot diggity dog more good news!!!!!!!
Guess I need to read back and see what I've missed today. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Didn't DeVries conclude or suggest anyway that Natalee died at the VDS house, or on the property?


Yes he suggested that the ALE now thinks that Natalee was at the Sloot property and not the beach.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 01:03:31 AM
Good Nite Monkeys... talk to you soon... it was my pleasure as always.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:06:25 AM
Pleasant dreams.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 01:06:59 AM
8)  8)  8)  8)

Hidey hooooooo, boys and girls!!!!! ;)



4-27-2007

NATALEE CASE

TV News

"Van der Sloot Home Searches"

SEG. #1

ON THE RECORD

GRETA VAN SUSTREN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uih8Xxu96D4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:07:51 AM
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.


I agree San, but that mess at the rock area was hard to get past.



Rob,
But you've come a long way, Baby!  Yes, San and I have always said Sloot compound at least involved.  I am amazed that you will now at least consider all that!   :D My opinion of what likely happened hasn't changed much, I am still on the old KISS theory I guess.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 28, 2007, 01:10:03 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


I hitting the sack also!  No not my hubby.....the pillow!  Anyway, I will pray that we have resolution soon.  I will be back later tomorrow.  Keep the faith!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:10:28 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
8)  8)  8)  8)

Hidey hooooooo, boys and girls!!!!! ;)



4-27-2007

NATALEE CASE

TV News

"Van der Sloot Home Searches"

SEG. #1

ON THE RECORD

GRETA VAN SUSTREN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uih8Xxu96D4


  TY Carpe.........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 01:11:13 AM
Taco shell is trying to indicate the Kalpoes by saying the car was never searched forensically.  I think it is the Kalpoes who turned  evidence on the sporter and his ugly father, and Taco knows it, so he is trying to put it back on the Kalpoes that their car was never searched.  There's a method to this madman's madness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 01:11:14 AM
Link all you want

I am makin' more.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


CHANNEL

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=carpen0ktem


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
8)  8)  8)  8)

Hidey hooooooo, boys and girls!!!!! ;)



4-27-2007

NATALEE CASE

TV News

"Van der Sloot Home Searches"

SEG. #1

ON THE RECORD

GRETA VAN SUSTREN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uih8Xxu96D4


Yooooo!!! Thanks for the link..Havent watched this yet.. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


I hitting the sack also!  No not my hubby.....the pillow!  Anyway, I will pray that we have resolution soon.  I will be back later tomorrow.  Keep the faith!


  Night ANG   :wink:
  I gotta work tomorrow AGAIN,  :evil:
 I wish my pillow and I got along lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:13:33 AM
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazymom on April 28, 2007, 01:15:35 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


I hitting the sack also!  No not my hubby.....the pillow!  Anyway, I will pray that we have resolution soon.  I will be back later tomorrow.  Keep the faith!


  Night ANG   :wink:
  I gotta work tomorrow AGAIN,  :evil:
 I wish my pillow and I got along lol


I am happy to report that I finally got a job after being laid off in July!!  I am working for a mortgage company and am just luvin it!  Unfortunately it cuts into my computer time at home!  See ya tomorrow.

BTW....Lunesta works wonders!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:16:55 AM
Tacky is betting the farm that no forensics exists at this late date, and he's setting it up to scream," No forensic evidence found at VDS property = Joran is telling the truth! She was never there. Close the case."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 01:19:21 AM
I think Tacky is trying to put as good a face on this as he can but I think the truth is, he knows this is not good news for his client.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:20:22 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:


Did you notice she flew right by Jossy's comment that Joran was at school busy with his book? No follow up to that one at all. That book puts in writing he lied to her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:22:00 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
I think Tacky is trying to put as good a face on this as he can but I think the truth is, he knows this is not good news for his client.


Right. Given a choice they would have much rather the case just be quietly closed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:


Did you notice she flew right by Jossy's comment that Joran was at school busy with his book? No follow up to that one at all. That book puts in writing he lied to her.


Well, she can turn her back on Joran as fast as she turned her back on Beth.   This is a woman of many faces and many lies.  I have watched her from the get-go and I have never liked her except I had some hope that she was befriending Beth only to find later on that she stabbed Beth in the  back.  I had a feeling that Dave and his family were not as fooled by the charlatan as Beth was but Beth was desperate for help.  I think perhaps Dave, et al, may have had her figured out from the get-go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 28, 2007, 01:25:13 AM
OMG!  I just got back from out of town for a week, with no access to a computer.  I can't believe this wonderful news!  Now I have to go back and do alot of catching up!

BTW, Hi Monkey friends!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 01:26:22 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:



OH ABSOLUTELY, Anna!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greta fries my a$$!

I used to think she was pretending to act stupid.

I no longer think she is PRETENDING.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:


Did you notice she flew right by Jossy's comment that Joran was at school busy with his book? No follow up to that one at all. That book puts in writing he lied to her.


Well, she can turn her back on Joran as fast as she turned her back on Beth.   This is a woman of many faces and many lies.  I have watched her from the get-go and I have never liked her except I had some hope that she was befriending Beth only to find later on that she stabbed Beth in the  back.  I had a feeling that Dave and his family were not as fooled by the charlatan as Beth was but Beth was desperate for help.  I think perhaps Dave, et al, may have had her figured out from the get-go.


Interesting that she never said a word about that. Its not everyday a Murder,Rapr and Kidnapping suspect goes on a book tour.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:29:47 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


I hitting the sack also!  No not my hubby.....the pillow!  Anyway, I will pray that we have resolution soon.  I will be back later tomorrow.  Keep the faith!


  Night ANG   :wink:
  I gotta work tomorrow AGAIN,  :evil:
 I wish my pillow and I got along lol


I am happy to report that I finally got a job after being laid off in July!!  I am working for a mortgage company and am just luvin it!  Unfortunately it cuts into my computer time at home!  See ya tomorrow.

BTW....Lunesta works wonders!!!


 Congrats to you!!    :D  :D  :D
 Not having puter time at work sucks.. I know all too well  :(
Best of luck yo yah Ang!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 01:29:52 AM
Hi Dihanna!

Tyler, I think Beth was "with" Greta for the same reason we all tuned in tonight. She's more apt to cover the story than almost any other reporter, and you are right: Beth wanted the story out there, above all. It was her only hope to keep this story alive and in front of the public.

I'm sure she was grateful to Greta for helping her do that. Greta did do that whether she was always accurate or fair, she flat out devoted time to the story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:30:41 AM
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on April 28, 2007, 01:32:00 AM
BOC on a sweep!!

The screw tightens!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 01:32:48 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!

I don't think anyone knows for sure.  Think we're just going to have to wait until tomorrow to find out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 01:34:40 AM
Greta can't talk about that book in detail without seeing the obvious lie that Joran told her.  What's that?  You don't believe me?

Let's see...Joran said he did not have sex with Natalee because he didn't have a condom. Didn't just state in his book that he had sex with Natalee for about 3 hours on the beach?  That is a complete about face, don't you think?

Oh and what about that timeline...he told Greta he came home between 3:25 AM and 3;35 AM.  If he was on the beach for 3 hours and they didn't leave CnC until...well you can do the math.  I may not be the smartest monkey here but I can add 2+2 and it still equals 4.  

I am sure I could find other things that Greta doesn't want to talk about that Joran told her was the gospel truth and if necessary I will...but you get the idea.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 01:35:05 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Watching Greta:

PLEASE somebody send her, her own transcript that tells WHY the original warrant was limited!!!!


She has a timeline with a gaping hole in it that she ignores.  She has all that information handed right to her and yet she pretends she knows nothing.

. :evil:



OH ABSOLUTELY, Anna!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greta fries my a$$!

I used to think she was pretending to act stupid.

I no longer think she is PRETENDING.


Brings to mind the old saying :
"Better to be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: sb on April 28, 2007, 01:35:16 AM
I am also calling it a night.

What will tomorrow bring? Stay Tuned.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 01:36:18 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "crazymom"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Night and sweet dreams to those hitting the pillows.


I hitting the sack also!  No not my hubby.....the pillow!  Anyway, I will pray that we have resolution soon.  I will be back later tomorrow.  Keep the faith!


  Night ANG   :wink:
  I gotta work tomorrow AGAIN,  :evil:
 I wish my pillow and I got along lol


I am happy to report that I finally got a job after being laid off in July!!  I am working for a mortgage company and am just luvin it!  Unfortunately it cuts into my computer time at home!  See ya tomorrow.

BTW....Lunesta works wonders!!!


Hey, crazymom.  Congratulations.  Best of luck with the new job.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:37:08 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a sweep!!

The screw tightens!

 Night BOC


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:37:43 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!

I don't think anyone knows for sure.  Think we're just going to have to wait until tomorrow to find out.


If I had to guess... I think they're coming back.  If they think something
is there, they're going to take it slow... they don't want to rush things and
miss or destroy evidence.  

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and after all that reading, my eyes are
crossed, too.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 01:42:00 AM
Hugging Nemo and heading out to bed.  Gosh!  my feet hurt with all this running to keep up...I just don't know how Klaas does it.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:43:38 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hugging Nemo and heading out to bed.  Gosh!  my feet hurt with all this running to keep up...I just don't know how Klaas does it.   :roll:


Ohhh no.... I just got caught up.

But, I know it's late...

Night, LaLa's

Hug Nemo for me, too.


Title: Dirt
Post by: IBE on April 28, 2007, 01:43:44 AM
Trying to remember:

Didn't we read somewhere that someone saw Paulus the next day and he had dirt in his fingernails and told the person he'd been gardening?

You have been talking about putting a body in a home bathtub. Don't forget the internet site that Val had that made up a rhyme about a bunch of kids, including him seeing Natalee in the tub with a head injury... it was gross.

Maybe they are looking for a gun or knife? I hope they dig up the whole pool cement, the cement under the dog's house and the cement in the back yard.

So what happened to the panties that Anita describes in such detail to Beth and Greta?

I pray that there will be finally Justice for Natalee.. hate to see them set up a search then have the weekend and a two day holiday??? What's with all that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:46:37 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


I hope so Patti !  I gotta work again tomorrow... :roll:  :roll:  RETAIL blows!   If you or anyone else would be as kind email me if something happens.. Id greatly appreciate it.  TYIA hon.


Title: Re: Dirt
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:47:59 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Trying to remember:

Didn't we read somewhere that someone saw Paulus the next day and he had dirt in his fingernails and told the person he'd been gardening?

You have been talking about putting a body in a home bathtub. Don't forget the internet site that Val had that made up a rhyme about a bunch of kids, including him seeing Natalee in the tub with a head injury... it was gross.

Maybe they are looking for a gun or knife? I hope they dig up the whole pool cement, the cement under the dog's house and the cement in the back yard.

So what happened to the panties that Anita describes in such detail to Beth and Greta?

I pray that there will be finally Justice for Natalee.. hate to see them set up a search then have the weekend and a two day holiday??? What's with all that?


There's no telling WHAT they're going to find.  There could be other corpses buried there for all we know.  But I don't think the investigators
are too concerned about the holiday.  They are away from home and
probably want to get their work done and return to their families.  They
will more than likely work tomorrow and through the weekend.   Atleast
that's what I would expect, if they are really serious.

I'm praying with you, too, Ibe...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 01:48:03 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Hugging Nemo and heading out to bed.  Gosh!  my feet hurt with all this running to keep up...I just don't know how Klaas does it.   :roll:


 Hugs to Nemo Lalas.. AND CP!   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:51:57 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


I hope so Patti !  I gotta work again tomorrow... :roll:  :roll:  RETAIL blows!   If you or anyone else would be as kind email me if something happens.. Id greatly appreciate it.  TYIA hon.


Definately!!!

Like I said, I thought about you today and even posted about how much
I knew you'd want to know and be here if you could.

Are you going to hug Nemo, Too?

I feel like I'm chasing everybody off  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 01:52:47 AM
OTR GRETA

FOX NEWS

FRI 4/27/2007

PART 2

VAN DER SLOOT HOME SEARCH

JOE PACOTENIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGkipTFMb8


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:54:53 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
OTR GRETA

FOX NEWS

FRI 4/27/2007

PART 2

VAN DER SLOOT HOME SEARCH

JOE PACOTENIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGkipTFMb8


 8)


Hey, Carpe!

I swear, I don't know where you get your energy... You've been at this
non-stop all day.  You are amazing!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: casa on April 28, 2007, 01:55:46 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


I hope so Patti !  I gotta work again tomorrow... :roll:  :roll:  RETAIL blows!   If you or anyone else would be as kind email me if something happens.. Id greatly appreciate it.  TYIA hon.


I'd be happy to e mail you Angie.  I don't think I have your e mail though.  I will be home all day.  Daughter #3 came home tonight and #2 will be home tomorrow.  Gonna grill and hang around here so I will be happy to let  you know what is going on!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 01:57:52 AM
Klaas:

How are you holding up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 02:01:34 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


I hope so Patti !  I gotta work again tomorrow... :roll:  :roll:  RETAIL blows!   If you or anyone else would be as kind email me if something happens.. Id greatly appreciate it.  TYIA hon.


Definately!!!

Like I said, I thought about you today and even posted about how much
I knew you'd want to know and be here if you could.

Are you going to hug Nemo, Too?

I feel like I'm chasing everybody off  :(


 I hugged Nemo :)
I wish I were here today.. trust me.
 You didnt chase others away! I did   ROFL  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 02:03:54 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

How are you holding up?

I'm worn out!  lol  :lol:  Going to call it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:04:11 AM
I think I'm going to hit the sack pretty soon, too.   I just wanted to
get caught up before morning.

You never chase anyone away.

With that cute smile and your easy going attitude, you are the best!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

How are you holding up?

I'm worn out!  lol  :lol:  Going to call it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Okay... I kinda figured you'd be tired... you did a great job
today.  I don't know how you manage to monitor everything
at the same time.  My hat's off to you.

See ya tomorrow!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 02:06:48 AM
Quote from: "casa"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Patti"
I finally caught up....

Hi everyone!

So do we know?  The Investigators are continuing their work in the
morning, right?  I read that Paulus was permitted to go into the house
but that doesn't mean that the outdoor search is over does it?  Other-
wise, why would they have officers posted there?

Anyone know?

Wow!!!  What a day!!!


  I dunno?  :(
  Yep........ I agree what a day..


I dunno????

Don't worry... they're going back!


I hope so Patti !  I gotta work again tomorrow... :roll:  :roll:  RETAIL blows!   If you or anyone else would be as kind email me if something happens.. Id greatly appreciate it.  TYIA hon.


I'd be happy to e mail you Angie.  I don't think I have your e mail though.  I will be home all day.  Daughter #3 came home tonight and #2 will be home tomorrow.  Gonna grill and hang around here so I will be happy to let  you know what is going on!


  Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com


Appreciate any news!  TYIA!!!
 A few here know my cell number... if they wanna.. more then welcome to call me too.
  Casa.. have a great time with your gals  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 02:07:41 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I eat my Flinstone Vitamins, Patti!

LOL Seriously,


What drives me, is what probably drives all of the rest of you too...

What Joran did to Natalee WAS WRONG, and he needs to

be stopped before it is too late.

I am happy to do this for Natalee's family. It is a privilege actually.

-----------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo


PART 3

OTR GRETA / FOX NEWS

MARK FUHRMAN

ON

SLOOT HOME SEARCH


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 02:08:07 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Patti"
Klaas:

How are you holding up?

I'm worn out!  lol  :lol:  Going to call it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

 

 Night Klaas    :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:11:10 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I eat my Flinstone Vitamins, Patti!

LOL Seriously,


What drives me, is what probably drives all of the rest of you too...

What Joran did to Natalee WAS WRONG, and he needs to

be stopped before it is too late.

I am happy to do this for Natalee's family. It is a privilege actually.

-----------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo


PART 3

OTR GRETA / FOX NEWS

MARK FUHRMAN

ON

SLOOT HOME SEARCH


I respect what you just said, more than anything... you know that.
And I have a huge amount of respect for you, personally, as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IBE on April 28, 2007, 02:11:33 AM
Klaas... still up? I think it's Ch4 saying they will have an update on NH. I got so ecited I hit the wrong button.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:12:44 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas... still up? I think it's Ch4 saying they will have an update on NH. I got so ecited I hit the wrong button.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Let us know what they say...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:16:04 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
OTR GRETA

FOX NEWS

FRI 4/27/2007

PART 2

VAN DER SLOOT HOME SEARCH

JOE PACOTENIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGkipTFMb8


 8)


I watched the replay.  I find I don't yell as much when it's not live.   :?  :oops:  :?
Joey says Natalee was never there.  He knows this because his client, who calls himself a pathological liar (oops!  Joran told the truth at least this once!)  told him so.   :?  
Ted and Bernie and Greta say it's too late because they've never heard of a cold case being solved.   :?
Greta and Bernie think maybe the Dutch should be looking at other suspects because they're either stupid or Joey is threatening them.  
Greta seems to feel she could run this investigation better than the Dutch investigators.  (I could run the investigation better than ALE just by reading a few Harry Bosch novels, but let's not insult the Dutch until we have probable cause.)  
Jossy was good.  Factual.  
The viewer that sent in an e-mail telling us what the poles were for was good.  
Fuhrman was pretty good.  
I thought the poles were to better enable the dogs to smell something, but what do I know.  It made sense to me.  
I'm one of the few who didn't condemn Greta regularly for her stupid statement after the Joran Interview Ratings Bonanza.  (JIRB for short)  I'm now in total agreement with those who did.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:20:01 AM
Lil' Puma:

Did Jossy sound like he thought the investigators were going to be
returning in the morning, or continuing their work?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:26:20 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Taco shell is trying to indicate the Kalpoes by saying the car was never searched forensically.  I think it is the Kalpoes who turned  evidence on the sporter and his ugly father, and Taco knows it, so he is trying to put it back on the Kalpoes that their car was never searched.  There's a method to this madman's madness.


Taco wants to make it look as though expertise was not available to ALE?  The FBI was sitting right there!  They could have asked the Dutch for help.  Don't insult our intelligence, Joey.  Aruba tried to do it and we saw right through it.  Greta's is buying into it, Joey.  Not us.  Not Jossy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IBE on April 28, 2007, 02:27:57 AM
OK it was the local NBC station in LA... said that the authorities were searching in and around the home of Joran; then mentioned some background about NH case. Something about Joran being the last one known to be with NH but the authorities have justified reason to search home and yard more.

Thanks about it... nothing we didn't know but glad to see it on the LA news.  I channel switch now between the other two but it's 23 min. after and they are usually into the sports now.

ABC  station said than women who drink a lot of alcohol have more brain damage faster then men then talks about good sleep protects memory from outside  influences for memory cells repeat (I guess when we sleep; was trying to type this as they said it and my memory wasn't great :lol: ) ABC on sports so switched to CBS... funny I hardly ever look at the 11pm news.

Always about gang shootings and little kids getting shot. Can't take that before sleep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:28:21 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Lil' Puma:

Did Jossy sound like he thought the investigators were going to be
returning in the morning, or continuing their work?


Jossy didn't say when they'd be returning, but he felt they wouldn't have gone to all the expense of the manpower and equipment and dogs if they didn't have a credible lead.  I doubt they finished the whole property today.  They'll be back.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:31:32 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Brings to mind the old saying :
"Better to be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt"


I like that one.  I thought Abraham Lincoln said it, but I could be wrong.


Title: Good Works
Post by: IBE on April 28, 2007, 02:31:36 AM
Keep up the Good Works Monkeys and good luck at the travel show in FLA tomorrow!

Keep the heat on!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 02:32:36 AM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I eat my Flinstone Vitamins, Patti!

LOL Seriously,


What drives me, is what probably drives all of the rest of you too...

What Joran did to Natalee WAS WRONG, and he needs to

be stopped before it is too late.

I am happy to do this for Natalee's family. It is a privilege actually.

-----------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo


PART 3

OTR GRETA / FOX NEWS

MARK FUHRMAN

ON

SLOOT HOME SEARCH


Your right my bruddah..Its about time something go's Natalee's way..Lets hope tommorow is a big day..Natalee's voice will be heard in Miami as well.. 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 02:37:57 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Patti"
Lil' Puma:

Did Jossy sound like he thought the investigators were going to be
returning in the morning, or continuing their work?


Jossy didn't say when they'd be returning, but he felt they wouldn't have gone to all the expense of the manpower and equipment and dogs if they didn't have a credible lead.  I doubt they finished the whole property today.  They'll be back.


Thanks Li'l Puma!!!

That's what I think too, it just sounds so much better when someone
else says it   :wink:

I'm calling it a night...

See you tommorrow!

Thanks, Ibe!

Goodnight All...


Title: Pictures, cement around pool
Post by: IBE on April 28, 2007, 02:40:10 AM
Klaas..

I have often wondered about the pictures around and of the pool. On the front page it shows Joran with his computer with a wall behind him and a corner over towards the left of the picture with a fountain of sorts. (hope there is nothing sinister under the fountain!)

The front page also has a picture from a plane of the pool and I see no corner, or fountain close to the pool at all.

So was the picture of Joran sitting in his chair by the pool with the computer before or after the plane shot and how is the timing of these pictures in relation to the pool and surround being re-cemented?

Just some things I always wondered about that never fit in. TIA

IBE

PS was trying to remember what the pool looked like when the furniture truck was there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:41:39 AM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Did everyone see this on the FP?  #13

Hello to all you good people. I love every one of you for standing up for Natalee and our family. If you remember awhile back I ask every one of you to pray for the next layer to be removed, to uncover what happen, and who are involved. We have to be in God’s timing for this to happen and have faith that God is working for justice to happen. Well, this team from Holland could be that break. I ask you to press in close to God and pray for the team of investigators to do the best job they can and be honest, truthful, and for people to come forward that has information, and for the evil spirits and anyone else that are fighting again this to be bound up and exposed in the light of truth and justice, that doors will be open to the investigators and real meaningful facts come forward.


God for forgive me for my sins and I pray to be a blessing to others and to serve you. Please Father give us wisdom and answers. I pray for Paul Sloot to confess all he knows in Jesus name amen. God Bless. Steve Holloway


Comment by Steve Holloway | April 27, 2007, 10:06 pm


On some boards I'd call this bumping it up.  Here, well, I just thought more people might see it if it was copied forward.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 02:45:49 AM
LilPuma.  That is another very moving posting from Steve Holloway.  So thoughtful that the family remembers SM in the midst of all they are going through, especially with the new developments.  
We all do pray for resolution and peace for all of Natalee's loved ones.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:48:26 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"

Joe T was burbling that some of the forensic tests/equipment may not have been available to the Aruban LE.   Pffffttttt

Also I would expect there would plenty of Natalee's prints still available at her home????  Maybe it was dusted for prints two years ago?

Just catching up again - went out to buy Vegetables on page 5 - came back to page 14


Joey also made reference to someone on one of the blogs thinking that Natalee was buried in the new cement work on the property.  He said that as though it was absurd.   :shock: Oh, that's right, Joran told him Natalee was never there and he believes it.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 02:53:04 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
LilPuma.  That is another very moving posting from Steve Holloway.  So thoughtful that the family remembers SM in the midst of all they are going through, especially with the new developments.  
We all do pray for resolution and peace for all of Natalee's loved ones.


Faith has gotten me through some tough times and, well, I'm still in those tough times, but the Holloways really seem to live by what they preach.  It's not just talk.  They believe that they are in God's hands and He will, in His own time and way, do what should be done.  If you've never read the story of the Three Trees, you can google it and it should come up pretty readily.  It's about 3 trees and what they wanted out of life.  Great story for those of faith.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 02:56:59 AM
FREE TO USE

LINK AWAY


Justice 4 Natalee!!!!!!!


-----------

GRETA / FOX NEWS "ON THE RECORD"


4/27/2007

MEDIA COVERAGE




NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

"VAN DER SLOOT HOME SEARCH"



SEG. 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uih8Xxu96D4


SEG. 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiGkipTFMb8

SEG. 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo

SEG. 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pFxZiap5sM



 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 02:59:31 AM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I eat my Flinstone Vitamins, Patti!

LOL Seriously,


What drives me, is what probably drives all of the rest of you too...

What Joran did to Natalee WAS WRONG, and he needs to

be stopped before it is too late.

I am happy to do this for Natalee's family. It is a privilege actually.

-----------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo


PART 3

OTR GRETA / FOX NEWS

MARK FUHRMAN

ON

SLOOT HOME SEARCH


I respect what you just said, more than anything... you know that.
And I have a huge amount of respect for you, personally, as well.




thanks, Patti


the feeling is mutual. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 28, 2007, 03:00:31 AM
Night.. Sweet dreams.
 Hugs to Nemo.
  Praying for a resolution.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 03:01:26 AM
Yes, it is difficult to remove ones self from the equation and just let God take control.  "Thy Will be Done" - but as soon as we are able to let go and hand situations over to Him everything does work out in its own right time.  It is when we need to have patience and faith to let things work out as they are meant to.

I will certainly look up that story - thank you for the thought, LilPuma.

You have certainly downsized your avatar  :wink:
From a Puma to a Kitty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:01:42 AM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Greta's panel has done an about-face, haven't they?  I distinctly remember them railing against the shoddy investigation, and all the circumstances that pointed to Joran and the Kalpoes.  Now, they wonder if someone else might be involved?  Huh?  Gee, think they are given a script to read, or at the least, teleprompter cards to read?  This show of Greta's is becoming less about news and more about the kind of spin that makes the unsophisticated viewer exclaim, "Geez--can you imagine that!"  If the real news is not comic-book exciting, well, then, they will just spin it around until maybe, just maybe, their speculation makes it sound more exciting.  Zap! Pow!  There you go.


Tacohead is threatening Fox with lawsuits I think.  Instead of saying that after the bungled and corrupt investigation, maybe now this Dutch team will get some answers, they acted like the Dutch (home of The Hague and the Forensic Institute of Holland) are keystone cops or on Posner's or Chavez's payroll.  I thought they sounded foolish.  The Dutch have spent a lot of time and money on this Aruban fiasco and they should not be insulted in the US media as though they were ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:03:26 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Yes, it is difficult to remove ones self from the equation and just let God take control.  "Thy Will be Done" - but as soon as we are able to let go and hand situations over to Him everything does work out in its own right time.  It is when we need to have patience and faith to let things work out as they are meant to.

I will certainly look up that story - thank you for the thought, LilPuma.

You have certainly downsized your avatar  :wink:
From a Puma to a Kitty.


I liked the Puma, but I also like to change it up sometimes.  Also, CBB had difficulty with the puma pics I had, and this one was easier for her to dress up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 03:06:06 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I eat my Flinstone Vitamins, Patti!

LOL Seriously,


What drives me, is what probably drives all of the rest of you too...

What Joran did to Natalee WAS WRONG, and he needs to

be stopped before it is too late.

I am happy to do this for Natalee's family. It is a privilege actually.

-----------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xob9vNozMJo


PART 3

OTR GRETA / FOX NEWS

MARK FUHRMAN

ON

SLOOT HOME SEARCH


Your right my bruddah..Its about time something go's Natalee's way..Lets hope tommorow is a big day..Natalee's voice will be heard in Miami as well.. 8)



FROM MIAMI TO THE BAY, bro!!!! :wink:

It is amazing to see the dedication for Nat!!!


Ya know, she was REALLY done dirty by that pig...



It is just great to see how many people step up to the plate

for her and her family. So many people give of themselves

freely, because they know what happened was WRONG MAN!

 :!:  :!:  :!:


I think there is hope for mankind yet.

People actually still care,

and that matters.

There is something to be said for that!

--

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND PEOPLES! :D

I'm out. (squelch - static)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MisGivings on April 28, 2007, 03:07:05 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Set up a tent and brought  3 dogs, a judge, and prosecutor with them. Took many black bags with them........

dug some holes. Very secretive



Hello, Monkeys, stranger in the house here.
Perhaps this has already been addressed, but I noticed in the Front Page article it said;

"She said roughly 20 investigators arrived from Holland on June
16th
, but that she could not say why they were searching the
property. She did not know how long they planned to stay."
When I read that I thought it was just another ruse by ALE.

************************************************************
It has only been 2 days here, but I am feeling the frustration of not knowing who killed a young man who used to call me Mom as he was growing up, on Wednesday Evening. Here the problem is the folks who know something are too afraid to talk, which doesn't help this young man's family in getting justice for such a careless waste of life.
I can only imagine how Beth feels since I was so upset yesterday I had to be sedated. I have been like a zombie ever since.
Kenneth would have been 21 on Sunday. Please pray for his Family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:07:52 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
I am going to barf if they don't stop with the oh they could be innocent.. yada yada....


Yep.  And I could wake up 20 years younger and independently wealthy tomorrow but what are the odds?     :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:10:59 AM
Quote from: "MisGivings"

Hello, Monkeys, stranger in the house here.
Perhaps this has already been addressed, but I noticed in the Front Page article it said;

"She said roughly 20 investigators arrived from Holland on June
16th
, but that she could not say why they were searching the
property. She did not know how long they planned to stay."
When I read that I thought it was just another ruse by ALE.

************************************************************
It has only been 2 days here, but I am feeling the frustration of not knowing who killed a young man who used to call me Mom as he was growing up, on Wednesday Evening. Here the problem is the folks who know something are too afraid to talk, which doesn't help this young man's family in getting justice for such a careless waste of life.
I can only imagine how Beth feels since I was so upset yesterday I had to be sedated. I have been like a zombie ever since.
Kenneth would have been 21 on Sunday. Please pray for his Family.


Misgivings, you're not a stranger!  I see you on the front page all the time!  I'm so sorry to hear about your loss and will say a prayer.  {{{{Misgivings}}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 03:13:04 AM
Hey MisGivings - so sorry for your loss.  
Hugs to you.  Will add  my prayers for resolution to this for you and Kenneth's loved ones.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 03:15:05 AM
Quote from: "MisGivings"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Set up a tent and brought  3 dogs, a judge, and prosecutor with them. Took many black bags with them........

dug some holes. Very secretive



Hello, Monkeys, stranger in the house here.
Perhaps this has already been addressed, but I noticed in the Front Page article it said;

"She said roughly 20 investigators arrived from Holland on June
16th
, but that she could not say why they were searching the
property. She did not know how long they planned to stay."
When I read that I thought it was just another ruse by ALE.

************************************************************
It has only been 2 days here, but I am feeling the frustration of not knowing who killed a young man who used to call me Mom as he was growing up, on Wednesday Evening. Here the problem is the folks who know something are too afraid to talk, which doesn't help this young man's family in getting justice for such a careless waste of life.
I can only imagine how Beth feels since I was so upset yesterday I had to be sedated. I have been like a zombie ever since.
Kenneth would have been 21 on Sunday. Please pray for his Family.


Hi MG-Klaas said earlier no doubt that date was probably suppose to be April 16-I thought she said she edited that.Maybe not things have really been busy tho,haven't they?I hope we find out something soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:15:31 AM
Carpe off to sieze the night?   :)   Ok, not that clever.  

I'm headed for the tree nest also.  Hopefully there will be good news from Aruba tomorrow.  Prayers for the Investigators and the families and Monkeys and may He shine His light and show us all the right road to follow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 03:17:04 AM
Quote from: "MisGivings"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Set up a tent and brought  3 dogs, a judge, and prosecutor with them. Took many black bags with them........

dug some holes. Very secretive



Hello, Monkeys, stranger in the house here.
Perhaps this has already been addressed, but I noticed in the Front Page article it said;

"She said roughly 20 investigators arrived from Holland on June
16th
, but that she could not say why they were searching the
property. She did not know how long they planned to stay."
When I read that I thought it was just another ruse by ALE.

************************************************************
It has only been 2 days here, but I am feeling the frustration of not knowing who killed a young man who used to call me Mom as he was growing up, on Wednesday Evening. Here the problem is the folks who know something are too afraid to talk, which doesn't help this young man's family in getting justice for such a careless waste of life.
I can only imagine how Beth feels since I was so upset yesterday I had to be sedated. I have been like a zombie ever since.
Kenneth would have been 21 on Sunday. Please pray for his Family.




WILL DO MISGIVINGS.

 I am so sorry for your loss.  :cry:

I will say prayers for them, and you too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 03:18:41 AM
Nite Nite, LilPuma.
Hoping for good news tomorrow.
Must log out myself and get dinner on the way.   Cannot wait until tomorrow .....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on April 28, 2007, 03:18:59 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Carpe off to sieze the night?   :)   Ok, not that clever.  

I'm headed for the tree nest also.  Hopefully there will be good news from Aruba tomorrow.  Prayers for the Investigators and the families and Monkeys and may He shine His light and show us all the right road to follow.


 :lol:

I second your great thoughts.

G'night!

Off to your bunkie

Monkey. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 03:22:26 AM
Tale of the Three Trees, as mentioned in my post :::looks up:::

http://tinyurl.com/yqyeld


Night everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MisGivings on April 28, 2007, 03:39:14 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "MisGivings"

Hello, Monkeys, stranger in the house here.
Perhaps this has already been addressed, but I noticed in the Front Page article it said;

"She said roughly 20 investigators arrived from Holland on June
16th
, but that she could not say why they were searching the
property. She did not know how long they planned to stay."
When I read that I thought it was just another ruse by ALE.

************************************************************
It has only been 2 days here, but I am feeling the frustration of not knowing who killed a young man who used to call me Mom as he was growing up, on Wednesday Evening. Here the problem is the folks who know something are too afraid to talk, which doesn't help this young man's family in getting justice for such a careless waste of life.
I can only imagine how Beth feels since I was so upset yesterday I had to be sedated. I have been like a zombie ever since.
Kenneth would have been 21 on Sunday. Please pray for his Family.


Misgivings, you're not a stranger!  I see you on the front page all the time!  I'm so sorry to hear about your loss and will say a prayer.  {{{{Misgivings}}}}


**********************************************************
Hmmm, I wonder why you see me there since I haven't been here for a long time.
My little Peanut had to be put down a week ago Wednesday, I lost my cat Nellie to the tainted cat food, my youngest cat, Silky, disappeared last Friday night, and now I have lost 'my son'.
The only light here now is that the young man's best friend's girlfriend went into labor today, and we are all waiting to welcome this little girl into the world when she decides to be born.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 05:26:18 AM
Posted by Debbie @ BFN:

The Line Up - Fox News - Sat. 04/28/07

Kimberly will have the latest on the searches in Aruba.

Time:  10:00 pm Eastern
Replay:  1:00 am Eastern & 5:00 am Eastern


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 28, 2007, 05:55:06 AM
GEL - that is good news.
Should be better than the "Dumb and Dumber" sequence today with Greta and Joe T.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 06:15:04 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
GEL - that is good news.
Should be better than the "Dumb and Dumber" sequence today with Greta and Joe T.  :roll:


morning Tib-I don't get it why Greta had Joe on anyhow.I sure could've lived without seeing his mug or hearing his "damage control". :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 06:29:09 AM
A little exchange from BFN, but notice what Jack says about the guards ... I take it to mean there were guards there overnight. (?)

Quote from: GrannyToad on April 27, 2007, 11:50:37 PM
So did they pack up their tent and outhouse or will they be back after breakfast?

Quote from: Jamie on April 27, 2007, 11:59:06 PM
It might be a rumor but, I heard Anita was cooking them all breakfast.

Jack on April 28, 2007, 05:03:25 AM
There are only two or three (seen) guarding the place until about 10 am today and they will send out for breakfast, but Anita will probably eat it all and them with it.

***
 :lol:   8)


Title: This reminds me....
Post by: Silverfox on April 28, 2007, 06:43:44 AM
This past 24 hours reminds me...

My good friend from Texas who used to be in law enforcement...

In the very early weeks of the investigation in 2005 (and right after the arrest of the father) told me his "gut" theory...

His theory way back then (does seem like a long time ago, right?) was that on that fateful night that he felt perhaps young Joran was might have been out "scouting" for his Dad --- AND, that Joran delivered the girl to his Dad and that this was what sealed her fate...

This all starts to perhaps make sense now two years later ... as a possibility....

when you consider the casino videos and who looks like "the father" sitting next to Natalee trying to engage her in concersation...

when you consider the Kalpoe statement in the taped conversation inthe police car about "your own father"....

when you consider the revelations of apparently some taped telephone conversations by "the father" that the Aruban courts consider important enough to justify the government actions concering reasonable suspicion...

when you consider the 'activist' father's actions to try to block the investigation by calling in some very important 'cards' er, judges and LE high ups...

when you consider the 'sweating father'

When you consider the strange reference cited in the book about the email from father to son asking him to think "positives"

and soooo much more -- and now, the search of the property....

Is it possible that "something bad happened" because the father was the one actually with her, and that...

heaven forbid... The son has been actually covering the father through all of this?  think about it....

My friend from Texas with his "gut" feeling might have been right all along...

All the obstruction and cover-up might have been done to protect the father... the son and the Ks might be the true pimps (in the true sense of the word) and delivered Nat to "the father'.... After all, Anita was gone, right?

just take all you know and look at it from possibility.... perhaps all 4 will be arrested in the coming days.... or even more and perhaps the center of attention will focus on 'the father'

and maybe this is why the Aruban judge friends "really' released the J and the 2 K's -- because they already knew the father was the one who was actually with her...

just some thoughts....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 07:12:22 AM
Peter de Vries comments about Joran's book; FP post by Robert.

Quote
Don’t know if this was available on the site somewhere but here’s a translation from a comment by PRdVries on the JvdSloot book. (Mostly Babelfish partly me.)

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Joran aknowledges own untruthfulness.

Joran vd Sloot as mainsuspect has written a book on his own case: The unsolved disappearance of Natalee Holloway. A fairly particular fact, about what the press strangely enough is not terrible critically. The fact that he writes seems more interesting than what he writes.
What in the “Natalee Holloway-case, my own tale concerning her disappearance on Aruba” is especially notable is that he labels himself as untruly. “For me lying was not really new for me. I lie more often, it even had become a bit of a habit to me, because it makes things sometimes so much easier”, Joran says in his book. That testifies on the one hand of a healthy self-knowledge but on the other hand also of a morbid inclination to put guilt upon himself: that he is untrue, comes forward already in the police-file, in which he evidently invented tales concerning what that last evening with Natalee has happened. On the other hand Joran untill the end keeps saying he has nothing to do with the dissappearence. Now that he in his book aknowledges to be untrue by nature, his disavowals, and with that all relieving circumstances which he himself also points to, come to stand in a new perspective. Why would he speak the truth concerning one thing suddenly? In the book a complete chapter has been dedicated to our programme. He suggests in this that we could have been behind a burglary in his Arnhem house in 2006. At that burglary amongst files from his computer the manuscript of his book was stolen. Of course we aren’t in any way involved in that burglery. The only link is that the burglary took place at the time of our study into the matter. Moreover, if Joran is convinced we were involved, why then didn’t he go to the police to file against us?

In the above mentioned chapter Joran discusses extended our show we did in November on the affair. Some examples: We wrongfully stated that Joran in the NOVA-program for the first time mentioned that not Deepak, but Satisch picked him up in the night of Natalees dissappearence. Joran now claims that he had already communicated that earlier. What Joran forgets is that both Satish and Deepak deny that they have picked him up that night. So his statement on that point doesn’t realy make a difference. It much more is the next affirmation of Jorans continues lying than it would show any negligence on our side. Moreover: Joran persist in his untrue account of affairs. Because in his book he writes that he was with Natalee on the beach when he heard Deepaks car arrive.

What is notable is that when yet another lie of Joran is proven to be not the truth he already has his new version of his reality ready. That was the case from day one on when he explained that he had dropped off Natalee at the hotel. Only after guarding cameras proved that wrong, Joran said he had not left behind Natalee on the beach. Exactly the same he does next with the “pick-up” story. First it was friend Deepak who’d picked him up that night on the beach. Then as Deepak denied that and moreover from chat - and telephonerecords it came forward that Deepak had remained indeed simply at home, Joran came up with the tale that it had been Deepaks brother Satish. Satish also denies. He says that he was asleep. It indicates that Joran lies about everything, untill it is indisputably proven the opposite. And then still he doesn’t tell the truth, but works magic and comes up with yet a new version of what has happened.

Concerning our revelation that Jorans lawyer Mr. Carlo informed head-officier Karin Janssen, that Joran indeed played a distinguished role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and that it is up to justicedep. to prove this Joran states that this concerned something very differently. We stated that this was discussed during a secret meeting on the office of counsel for the pros. after office time. Afterwards Janssen in a letter to Mr. Carlo supposedly asked to have confirmed that in writing. When the matter thus was written down, the lawyer because of that became scared and denied the story from then on. But according to Joran this whole thing was about something very different. He says that he himself had once gotten totaly mad after an interrogation. Mr. Carlo then to the head officier would have asked if Jorans could talk personally to his father. A very incredible explanation. If that was the real reason then Mr. Carlo just could have said that to us. Absolutely no reason to remain mysteriously. Moreover with that he would have disproved every other suggestion directly. Moreover a request to be allowed to visit someone is not a credible reason to have secretive meetings and correspondences with the chief public prosecutor.

Concerning the shoe tale Joran is very brief. He explains that he on that night on the beach had left his shoes behind and went to home on foot. Those shoes have been never found. To the investigators he states moreover that he has size 10, whereas this in reality is size 14. He does not mention in his book the reason why he lied against the police about the shoesize, and states that leaving behind the shoes is not a suspicious circumstance. If that had anything to do with the matter, then he - thus puts Joran - never would have come with the shoe tale. Joran forgets that witnesses have seen him with those shoes and that the investigators would at a certain point in time ask for those shoes.

Notable is Jorans affirmation that he indeed was behing the two faken photographs on which he himself is with Natalee. That - for the family very distasteful - photograph Peter showed when he was at Jorans Arnhem home to face him with our findings. Joran then denied he knew anything about the pictures. In his book he now admits however that he was indeed behind the photomontages. According to Joran it was meant to discredit the National Enquirer.

All in all the book contains innumerable forced manners to vitiate dubious circumstances. For the good reader however it only confirms Jorans untruthfullness and that makes him in fact only more suspicious.

Comment by Robert | April 28, 2007, 5:13 am


And yes, amazingly, I was able to copy a FP post. Sometimes that works, sometimes not ... ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 07:38:02 AM
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/28/

Quote
Ministerio Publico:
TEAM DI RECHERCHE COMBINA TA HACIENDO
INVESTIGACION DI NATALEE HOLLOWAY


ORANJESTAD (AAN):-- Segun un comunicado di Ministerio Publico manda pa medionan di publicidad , ayera 27 di April 2007 a tuma lugar un listramento na cas di mayornan di JvdS. E listramento ta tuma lugar bou guia di Juez-Comisario. Tin alrededor di 20 experto riba tereno di investigacion forensico (e.o. di Nederlands Forensisch Instituut) cu ta haciendo e listramento. E listramento no tin nada di haber cu e buki di JvdS cu recientemente a sali riba Mercado, pero ta den cuadro di e investigacion andando y ya tabata planea pa un tempo caba pa tuma lugar.

Riba dia 15 di April ultimo un fase nobo a cuminsa den e investigacion di e desaparicion di e hoben aki. Investigacionnan adicional ta tumando lugar y ta wordo haci pa un team di investigacion nobo cu a wordo forma. E team ta consisti di recherche nan local y recherchenan di Hulanda y ta trahando bou guia di Ministerio Publico.

Despues cu Minister di Husticia di Aruba na augustus 2006 a pidi Ministerio di Husticia Hulandes pa asistencia tecnico den e caso aki, e Korps Landelijke Politiebureau (KLPD) di Hulanda a forma un team di recherche Hulandes cu na November 2006 a cuminsa cu un collegiale toetsing, esta un revision di parti di coleganan recherche di Hulanda. E revision a encera cu e team a revisa henter e dossier di e caso Holloway y a base di esaki a bini cu conclusion y sugerencianan.

E conclusion y sugerencianan a wordo presenta fin di maart 2007 door di e korpschef di KLPD. A base di e conclusion- y sugerencianan aki e investigacion adicional ta tumando lugar. Meta di e investigacion adicional ta pa haya claridad riba e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, e hoben Mericano cu desde 30 di Mei 2005, a desaparece na Aruba.

Natalee Holloway (18 ańa, di Alabama, Merca) a desaparece riba dia 30 di mei 2005, ora e tabata cu vakantie na Aruba conhuntamente cu un cantidad di colega studiantenan. Holloway a wordo mira pa ultimo biaha 1’or di marduga riba 30 di mei 2005, despues cu el a sali for di e bar Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. Segun declaracion di testigonan Holloway tabata den compania di 3 hende homber.
For di momento cu denuncia di desaparicion di Holloway a wordo haci Cuerpo Policial di Aruba a cuminsa cu un investigacion, na unda varios sospechoso a wordo deteni y interoga y na unda un gran cantidad di testigo a wordo scucha. Algun di esnan cu a worde deteni como sospechoso ainda ta wordo considera como sospechoso, segun e comunicado di Ministerio Publico.


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Online Pap Translation:

team of recherche combina is haciendo investigacion of natalee holloway

oranjestad (aan):-- according one comunicado of ministerio publico send for medionan of publicidad come across, yesterday 27 of april 2007 did take lugar one listramento at home of parents of jvds. the listramento is take lugar under guia of juez-comisario. have alrededor of 20 experto on territory of investigacion forensico (e.o. of nederlands forensisch instituut) cu is haciendo the listramento. the listramento not have nothing of haber cu the book of jvds cu recientemente owing to leave on market, but is in cuadro of the investigacion andando y already was planea for one time end for take lugar.

on day 15 of april ultimo one phase new owing to cuminsa in the investigacion of the desaparicion of the young here. investigacionnan adicional is tumando lugar y is wordo haci for one team of investigacion new cu owing to wordo form. the team is consisti of recherche they local y recherchenan of the netherlands y is trahando under guia of ministerio publico.

after cu minister of husticia of aruba at august 2006 owing to ask ministerio of husticia dutch for asistencia tecnico in the caso here, the korps landelijke politiebureau (klpd) of the netherlands owing to form one team of recherche dutch cu at november 2006 owing to cuminsa cu one collegiale toetsing, esta one revision of part of coleganan recherche of the netherlands. the revision owing to encera cu the team owing to revisa all the dossier of the caso holloway y owing to base of this owing to come cu conclusion y sugerencianan.

the conclusion y sugerencianan owing to wordo present end of march 2007 door of the korpschef of klpd. owing to base of the conclusion- y sugerencianan here the investigacion adicional is tumando lugar. aim of the investigacion adicional is for achieve claridad on the desaparicion of natalee holloway, the young mericano cu by 30 of half 2005, owing to desaparece at aruba.

Natalee Holloway (18 ańa, di Alabama, Merca) a desaparece riba dia 30 di mei 2005, ora e tabata cu vakantie na Aruba conhuntamente cu un cantidad di colega studiantenan. Holloway a wordo mira pa ultimo biaha 1’or di marduga riba 30 di mei 2005, despues cu el a sali for di e bar Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. Segun declaracion di testigonan Holloway tabata den compania di 3 hende homber.

For di momento cu denuncia di desaparicion di Holloway a wordo haci Cuerpo Policial di Aruba a cuminsa cu un investigacion, na unda varios sospechoso a wordo deteni y interoga y na unda un gran cantidad di testigo a wordo scucha. Algun di esnan cu a worde deteni como sospechoso ainda ta wordo considera como sospechoso, segun e comunicado di Ministerio Publico.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Taco shell is trying to indicate the Kalpoes by saying the car was never searched forensically.  I think it is the Kalpoes who turned  evidence on the sporter and his ugly father, and Taco knows it, so he is trying to put it back on the Kalpoes that their car was never searched.  There's a method to this madman's madness.

I agree Tyler.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 07:49:15 AM
Should have mentioned that today's Diario article has several pictures from the search. The link is above (if Leslie hasn't posted the media links yet).

BT - In one of your next exchanges, will you ask whether Diario is still "under boycott" ??

Morning monkeys. Have to leave now; see you this afternoon.


Title: disgusted with Greta
Post by: Leslie on April 28, 2007, 08:19:04 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 08:20:07 AM
Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 08:20:51 AM
im going to work for a bit

u jst want to thank the K2 brothers again for finally coming out and
telling the police the TRUTH


CROWN WITNESS

BABY  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
A little exchange from BFN, but notice what Jack says about the guards ... I take it to mean there were guards there overnight. (?)

Quote from: GrannyToad on April 27, 2007, 11:50:37 PM
So did they pack up their tent and outhouse or will they be back after breakfast?

Quote from: Jamie on April 27, 2007, 11:59:06 PM
It might be a rumor but, I heard Anita was cooking them all breakfast.

Jack on April 28, 2007, 05:03:25 AM
There are only two or three (seen) guarding the place until about 10 am today and they will send out for breakfast, but Anita will probably eat it all and them with it.

***
 :lol:   8)


I believe Joshy mentioned that guards remained overnight as did the "on the record" representative.  Hmmm.  Why did Greta have someone in Aruba, maybe to protect Joran from the onslaught of mean people from Diario.  I suppose now that she has adopted the vanderSloot family as her new crime family, we can depend on Greta to take care of the wonderful Sporter and his charming family (sarcasm off).


Title: Re: This reminds me....
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 08:36:04 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
This past 24 hours reminds me...

My good friend from Texas who used to be in law enforcement...

In the very early weeks of the investigation in 2005 (and right after the arrest of the father) told me his "gut" theory...

His theory way back then (does seem like a long time ago, right?) was that on that fateful night that he felt perhaps young Joran was might have been out "scouting" for his Dad --- AND, that Joran delivered the girl to his Dad and that this was what sealed her fate...

This all starts to perhaps make sense now two years later ... as a possibility....

when you consider the casino videos and who looks like "the father" sitting next to Natalee trying to engage her in concersation...

when you consider the Kalpoe statement in the taped conversation inthe police car about "your own father"....

when you consider the revelations of apparently some taped telephone conversations by "the father" that the Aruban courts consider important enough to justify the government actions concering reasonable suspicion...

when you consider the 'activist' father's actions to try to block the investigation by calling in some very important 'cards' er, judges and LE high ups...

when you consider the 'sweating father'

When you consider the strange reference cited in the book about the email from father to son asking him to think "positives"

and soooo much more -- and now, the search of the property....

Is it possible that "something bad happened" because the father was the one actually with her, and that...

heaven forbid... The son has been actually covering the father through all of this?  think about it....

My friend from Texas with his "gut" feeling might have been right all along...

All the obstruction and cover-up might have been done to protect the father... the son and the Ks might be the true pimps (in the true sense of the word) and delivered Nat to "the father'.... After all, Anita was gone, right?

just take all you know and look at it from possibility.... perhaps all 4 will be arrested in the coming days.... or even more and perhaps the center of attention will focus on 'the father'

and maybe this is why the Aruban judge friends "really' released the J and the 2 K's -- because they already knew the father was the one who was actually with her...

just some thoughts....


I agree that Paulus could have actually been with Natalee.  Your friend could be right.  But I also believe that J2K also was with Natalee.  Satish's remark to Deepak in one of his statements proves to me that he knows and witnessed Natalee being harmed.

We always said why would an island cover for 3 punks.  Why not just arrest them.  Because if they arrest them they know the Kalpoes know the truth and they will say what a Judge did to Natalee.  How would this look to the world that Paulus has been doing this for years and they did nothing to stop him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by NYCHIC on the front page of SM:

Hey SM

Always Reading…Always Here

Just Saw This On Another Site
Can’t Tell If It’s True or Not
Just Thought I Would Share It

******************************
Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.


Rob, good morning.  My daughter has been fingerprinted a couple times.  Usually at school or daycare (years ago).  I think I even have an Identi-kid card with prints on it and her picture.  

Or maybe at the bank?  I had to do a thumbprint the other day.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Peter de Vries comments about Joran's book; FP post by Robert.

Quote
Don’t know if this was available on the site somewhere but here’s a translation from a comment by PRdVries on the JvdSloot book. (Mostly Babelfish partly me.)

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Joran aknowledges own untruthfulness.

{EDITED}

Notable is Jorans affirmation that he indeed was behing the two faken photographs on which he himself is with Natalee. That - for the family very distasteful - photograph Peter showed when he was at Jorans Arnhem home to face him with our findings. Joran then denied he knew anything about the pictures. In his book he now admits however that he was indeed behind the photomontages. According to Joran it was meant to discredit the National Enquirer.

All in all the book contains innumerable forced manners to vitiate dubious circumstances. For the good reader however it only confirms Jorans untruthfullness and that makes him in fact only more suspicious.

Comment by Robert | April 28, 2007, 5:13 am


And yes, amazingly, I was able to copy a FP post. Sometimes that works, sometimes not ... ???

Joran seems worried about one of the articles that the Enquirer wrote about him.  I wonder which one.  I think I might be the one where the reporter went to the Netherlands.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 08:50:37 AM
Hypothetically, Paulus could have spotted Natalee and decided that he wanted Natalee for himself.  He saw her in the casino, perhaps on more than one occasion.  He pointed her out to Joran, and it was Joran and his gang of PIMPS who abducted girls, drugged them and made porn videos of them for entertainment or for re-sale.  Was the fact that Freddy had the photography skills and Deepak had the computer skills of any significance whatsoever?  Why did it require so many people?  Surely, we agree that no young woman aside from an Aruban want to be bedded by Paulus vanderSloot, but then we only could suspect that maybe this had been done many times before for Paulus by these PIMPS, because it was well known on the island that Paulus and Joran inhabited institutions of gambling and drinking together.  were these holidays that Anita took more about getting away from Paulus and Joran than visiting relatives for the sake of love?  Why would a teacher choose to go abroad when it was her last week of school, one of the most important weeks in a teacher's year.  Why would she take her under-aged children abroad when their education should have been first and foremost?  Was this an attempt to remove them completely from Paulus and allow the now-crazed Joran and Paulus their freedoms on Aruba.  There is a reason why Anita and the two younger children were away at such a crucial time in education.  There is a reason why Deepak was brought into this.  From my reading on the conversations, it seems that Satish was concerned about 'what happened to the girl," but later he was brainwashed and coerced into telling lies to fit the stories of Paulus & his maggot son.  Anita was brought back to take Joran away from Aruba, but found that she was not going to be able to.  No one told me that, no one said that, but I am beginning to read through her just like I read through the meaning of her blouses.  She is a very transparent and malicious person, who if she had been the caring, giving and loving wife and mother would have never reproduced with this sick individual, Paulus.  She knew he was a loser.  She knew he was not a judge.  She lied to Greta to make Greta "respect" them.  She clearly stated to Greta that Paulus was a judge.  Greta is stupid.  She believed it and she believes Joran's and Taco's web of lies.  Is this a characteristic of a Dutch woman to believe the lies of Dutch men or all men?

Paulus is involved with Natalee's death from start to finish.  Joran was his accomplice.  Deepak was asked to assist in providing transportation.  Satish was along for the ride.  Paulus has convinced both the K2 that they are as guilty as him and Cabbagehead.

I think someone has gotten to the K2 and convinced them otherwise.  I think K2 are talking very little but saying a lot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 09:07:20 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


At the end of the video...I watched the papiamentu one...does it look like the dog "hits" on something by the cement wall??  Think I'm looking to hard.  The dog looks like he's sniffing then looks at the guy.  Probably just me...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Hypothetically, Paulus could have spotted Natalee and decided that he wanted Natalee for himself.  He saw her in the casino, perhaps on more than one occasion.  He pointed her out to Joran, and it was Joran and his gang of PIMPS who abducted girls, drugged them and made porn videos of them for entertainment or for re-sale.  Was the fact that Freddy had the photography skills and Deepak had the computer skills of any significance whatsoever?  Why did it require so many people?  Surely, we agree that no young woman aside from an Aruban want to be bedded by Paulus vanderSloot, but then we only could suspect that maybe this had been done many times before for Paulus by these PIMPS, because it was well known on the island that Paulus and Joran inhabited institutions of gambling and drinking together.  were these holidays that Anita took more about getting away from Paulus and Joran than visiting relatives for the sake of love?  Why would a teacher choose to go abroad when it was her last week of school, one of the most important weeks in a teacher's year.  Why would she take her under-aged children abroad when their education should have been first and foremost?  Was this an attempt to remove them completely from Paulus and allow the now-crazed Joran and Paulus their freedoms on Aruba.  There is a reason why Anita and the two younger children were away at such a crucial time in education.  There is a reason why Deepak was brought into this.  From my reading on the conversations, it seems that Satish was concerned about 'what happened to the girl," but later he was brainwashed and coerced into telling lies to fit the stories of Paulus & his maggot son.  Anita was brought back to take Joran away from Aruba, but found that she was not going to be able to.  No one told me that, no one said that, but I am beginning to read through her just like I read through the meaning of her blouses.  She is a very transparent and malicious person, who if she had been the caring, giving and loving wife and mother would have never reproduced with this sick individual, Paulus.  She knew he was a loser.  She knew he was not a judge.  She lied to Greta to make Greta "respect" them.  She clearly stated to Greta that Paulus was a judge.  Greta is stupid.  She believed it and she believes Joran's and Taco's web of lies.  Is this a characteristic of a Dutch woman to believe the lies of Dutch men or all men?

Paulus is involved with Natalee's death from start to finish.  Joran was his accomplice.  Deepak was asked to assist in providing transportation.  Satish was along for the ride.  Paulus has convinced both the K2 that they are as guilty as him and Cabbagehead.

I think someone has gotten to the K2 and convinced them otherwise.  I think K2 are talking very little but saying a lot.

I agree with you Tyler but then again we always agree especially regarding Anita.  You hit the nail on the head and she is a cold person.

I also notice that we both agree that the two other boys were in Holland at the time and I think this is very important.  If you notice from their statements both Paulus and Joran make sure they mention the fact that the other two boys were home.  Paulus needs them to be home to secure his alibi and so does Joran.

Those kids were never home and I have always believe in the information that Widget found out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 09:13:15 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi Dihanna!

Tyler, I think Beth was "with" Greta for the same reason we all tuned in tonight. She's more apt to cover the story than almost any other reporter, and you are right: Beth wanted the story out there, above all. It was her only hope to keep this story alive and in front of the public.

I'm sure she was grateful to Greta for helping her do that. Greta did do that whether she was always accurate or fair, she flat out devoted time to the story.


Remember the sequel to Saturday Night Fever?  ......the one with Finola Hughes and John Travolta..... at one point, Finola's character says to John "Everybody uses everybody".  

Pretty profound.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 09:15:40 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


At the end of the video...I watched the papiamentu one...does it look like the dog "hits" on something by the cement wall??  Think I'm looking to hard.  The dog looks like he's sniffing then looks at the guy.  Probably just me...

The dog is looking in that area near the tree.

After watching the video again I'm getting pissed off watching Paulus talk to the guy who is digging.  He should not be there and a police officer should have told him to get away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: wreck on April 28, 2007, 09:20:25 AM
Although you haven't heard from me in ages -- I'm still around and try to keep up!  As I stated on the front page -- it is hard to get too excited, but maybe THIS time we will get ANSWERS!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 09:22:13 AM
hey guys, quick question:  is there a statue of limitations re: charges against JVdS?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 09:22:59 AM
*statute (sp?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 09:23:14 AM
Morning Monkeys!

San,
i can only hope that it is more torturous for p-pos to be there during the search than not. Maybe they can figure out his "tell" and find more than what they are looking for by him "tipping his hat".


Misgivings,
I'm very sorry for all your loses. You and your son are in my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 09:23:41 AM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


At the end of the video...I watched the papiamentu one...does it look like the dog "hits" on something by the cement wall??  Think I'm looking to hard.  The dog looks like he's sniffing then looks at the guy.  Probably just me...

The dog is looking in that area near the tree.

After watching the video again I'm getting pissed off watching Paulus talk to the guy who is digging.  He should not be there and a police officer should have told him to get away.


I'm hoping he was trying to be persuasive and they told him to leave or he'd be arrested.  There is no way he would have left without being told to leave...IMO...unless King was there to cover.  Anita must be out of town or she would be screaming and crying...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 09:27:26 AM
Buckeye, or doing the skunk spray!!!!

Jill, the only statute(sp?) is that if this does not come to trial 2 yrs after arrest the suspects are released as suspects until proof is found to bring to trial.  I don't know how many years need to pass when crimes can not be prosecuted.


Good to see you inside WRECK!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 09:31:28 AM
Quote from: "NM"
Buckeye, or doing the skunk spray!!!!

Jill, the only statute(sp?) is that if this does not come to trial 2 yrs after arrest the suspects are released as suspects until proof is found to bring to trial.  I don't know how many years need to pass when crimes can not be prosecuted.


Good to see you inside WRECK!!!!!


seems to me that they were released as suspects a long time ago.

proof would be needed at trial for a conviction, would it not?

does this make as little sense to anyone else as it does to me?  does this mean that a suspect is considered a suspect for two years, and then not a suspect anymore if a trial isn't held?  strange.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 09:32:40 AM
San

Are you sure the guy is Paulus??  The one dressed in white?? I'm not sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 09:35:53 AM
Alrighty then!  I'm all caught up here.  

Lots to do today.  Weather is fabulous.  

I hope there is a lot of sweating going on down on the island.  Please let the science solve the case.  

Please look under the doghouse in the backyard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 09:36:01 AM
Jill, We don't understand their system!


Buckeye, I also do not think that is p-pos. Too much hair.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 09:37:39 AM
jill

I am no expert, but I think, as long as you are labeled a suspect, your phones can still be tapped, etc.  If no charges are brought in the two years, those kind of "privacy" issues then have to petitioned for or are harder to perform.  They only encumber personal rights for a certain period of time, then charges need to be filed. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 09:38:42 AM
Good morning monkeys!  I see the cage was busy overnight...been a while since that happened.  Here are some observations for those perusing this forum for answers:

1. Tylergal is always on the mark about the people involved.  She has been consistent with this for two years now.  I have made it a point to notice that since many times we are all over the place.  Any time Tylergal questions or comments on the character or motivation of someone involved you  should listen.

2.  If you place Paulus into the equation early on you must also exclude the Kalpoes to some extent. Yes, they were involved and as much as it pains me to say this, I think they were more the scapegoats here than anything.  That doesn't release them of complicity or guilt...just tells me they are being used. I will never give them a break concerning the fact that Deepak had the ability to protect Natalee and didn't do it.   Since we have the computer records that show the browsing about drugs, alcohol, etc from the Sloot computer, you must conclude that not only was someone looking for answers, but that someone was not a younger sibling of Joran.  The explanation of course was concerning a report that Joran was doing.  So why at that hour of the morning would you be up searching for info for your son's report?  Yeah, right.  

3.  There is only one person that has remained consistent in their assertions throughout all this living in Aruba and that is Jossy. He has always maintained that the perps were guilty and that includes the father.  Jossy may choose his words carefully, but even with few words he says much.

4. For those that doubt or would like more affirmation that Paulus was involved...you might try reading through the PV's or statements that we have of the suspects and witnesses.  They are contained in the Important Case Documents.  The inconsistencies just jump out and slap you in the face.

For the doubters I challenge you to read the research and then draw your conclusions.   Rant over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
jill

I am no expert, but I think, as long as you are labeled a suspect, your phones can still be tapped, etc.  If no charges are brought in the two years, those kind of "privacy" issues then have to petitioned for or are harder to perform.  They only encumber personal rights for a certain period of time, then charges need to be filed. IMO


ok, thanks.  That makes a bit of sense.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Good morning monkeys!  I see the cage was busy overnight...been a while since that happened.  Here are some observations for those perusing this forum for answers:

1. Tylergal is always on the mark about the people involved.  She has been consistent with this for two years now.  I have made it a point to notice that since many times we are all over the place.  Any time Tylergal questions or comments on the character or motivation of someone involved you  should listen.

2.  If you place Paulus into the equation early on you must also exclude the Kalpoes to some extent. Yes, they were involved and as much as it pains me to say this, I think they were more the scapegoats here than anything.  That doesn't release them of complicity or guilt...just tells me they are being used. I will never give them a break concerning the fact that Deepak had the ability to protect Natalee and didn't do it.   Since we have the computer records that show the browsing about drugs, alcohol, etc from the Sloot computer, you must conclude that not only was someone looking for answers, but that someone was not a younger sibling of Joran.  The explanation of course was concerning a report that Joran was doing.  So why at that hour of the morning would you be up searching for info for your son's report?  Yeah, right.  

3.  There is only one person that has remained consistent in their assertions throughout all this living in Aruba and that is Jossy. He has always maintained that the perps were guilty and that includes the father.  Jossy may choose his words carefully, but even with few words he says much.

4. For those that doubt or would like more affirmation that Paulus was involved...you might try reading through the PV's or statements that we have of the suspects and witnesses.  They are contained in the Important Case Documents.  The inconsistencies just jump out and slap you in the face.

For the doubters I challenge you to read the research and then draw your conclusions.   Rant over.


 :smt045  :smt045  :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Silverfox on April 28, 2007, 09:47:47 AM
If Paulus "the father" sweated before he must really be sweating now....

and, what if Joran is the "crown witness[/size]" ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 28, 2007, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
If Paulus "the father" sweated before he must really be sweating now....

and, what if Joran is the "crown witness[/size]" ??


LOL  Joran ratted on his dad as a crown witness?  LOL  That would be so cool.

But it would mean that Joran would have to re-write his entire book.....

I'm "inclined" (sorry, had to) to think if anyone is talking it's either the K2bros or Guido.

But isn't it nice to have a reason to speculate?   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: "Silverfox"
If Paulus "the father" sweated before he must really be sweating now....

and, what if Joran is the "crown witness[/size]" ??


Not gonna be Joran.  He's too deep in this mess and would never go against Daddy Sloot.  Anita wouldn't allow it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
I don't care who is talking as long as they keep it  up.  

Lala's is right on the money as usual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
I don't care who is talking as long as they keep it  up.  

Lala's is right on the money as usual.


Hi Peaches!  I haven't said congrats yet.  Just want you to know that you are such an inspiration to all of us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
San

Are you sure the guy is Paulus??  The one dressed in white?? I'm not sure.

He has something like a white sweat jacket on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
I don't care who is talking as long as they keep it  up.  

Lala's is right on the money as usual.


Hi Peaches!  I haven't said congrats yet.  Just want you to know that you are such an inspiration to all of us.


Thank you, dear.  I couldn't have done it without y'all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Silverfox"
If Paulus "the father" sweated before he must really be sweating now....

and, what if Joran is the "crown witness[/size]" ??


Not gonna be Joran.  He's too deep in this mess and would never go against Daddy Sloot.  Anita wouldn't allow it.


He doesn't have the balls.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 10:09:04 AM
so the Sloots house is being searched after 2 YEARS???


WTF??????


 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: "blah"
so the Sloots house is being searched after 2 YEARS???


WTF??????


 :roll:


Ain't it great?

Imagine the squirming that has got to be goin' on right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "blah"
so the Sloots house is being searched after 2 YEARS???


WTF??????


 :roll:


Ain't it great?

Imagine the squirming that has got to be goin' on right now.


I dunno, they are probably just keeping an eye on the book sales, this is pretty good publicity


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
Just in case there are doubters, I present the following:

Paulus 6/23:

 To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
go to school that day.
I think any parent, knowing their son was being accused of a heinous crime would know this answer.

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day.
He remembers for certain that the younger boys got on the bus.  OOOPS! Memory lapse after that.

To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus,
I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch. How many doors does this bus have, anyway?

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children
get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and
Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus
once or twice during that period. But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
This is where anyone with half a brain (or someone growing a brain for that matter) would see that Paulus is backpeddling fast and furiously.
Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.
[/b]  This comment could only have been made as a repsonse to being confronted with evidence that Joran indeed was not on that bus.  Otherwise, Paulus would have been adamant about it at this point.  I don't care what others have said...Paulus just stated that Joran did not get on that bus on that day.  


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 28, 2007, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "blah"
so the Sloots house is being searched after 2 YEARS???


WTF??????


 :roll:


Ain't it great?

Imagine the squirming that has got to be goin' on right now.


Howdy Blah.. good too see you again.

Peaches - congrats again on finishing the chemo and being such an example for the rest of us.

Joran - you are a wimp.
Paulus - you are lower than low
Anita - you are a poor excuse for a mother


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:16:30 AM
Thanks, Beans.

And wouldn't you like to be JVDS's new girlfriend?  The one who hasn't read the book yet?  Can you imagine reading that book and not running as far and as fast as you can to get away from the psycho who "wrote" it?

I hope she is thinking long and hard about dating someone who lies like a rug.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:17:34 AM
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


PVDS June 23, 2005 statement he talks about doing work in the yard:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=459

GOOD MORNING ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 28, 2007, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Thanks, Beans.

And wouldn't you like to be JVDS's new girlfriend?  The one who hasn't read the book yet?  Can you imagine reading that book and not running as far and as fast as you can to get away from the psycho who "wrote" it?

I hope she is thinking long and hard about dating someone who lies like a rug.


I'd hope so too Peaches... but ya know she can't be too bright.  In order to not know the story about him she'd have had to been in a cave the last 2 years without electricity and newspaper service.   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 10:24:03 AM
Next thing we'll hear is that Joran got on the bus but snuck off at the next stop without his father once again being aware......... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Frijole on April 28, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


I'm dying to know this too Lalas... Someone mentioned this last night and it rang a bell but the cobwebs were too thick for me to remember.  Thanks for asking and happy Saturday!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:28:03 AM
So I wonder if the search will continue today?  I'm sure the tent was just for shade and it makes sense to take it down if you're done for the day so it doesn't blow over.  The prescence of the porta- potty just screams "we'll be back" to me.  I hope so.

Holiday or not, the Dutch may as well search.  The sooner they solve the case, the sooner they go home to their families..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 28, 2007, 10:31:04 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


PVDS June 23, 2005 statement he talks about doing work in the yard:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=459

GOOD MORNING ALL!


When Beth and Greta came by the Sloot house, Paulus was lurking in the bushes in the yard. Remember? The day of the sweat fest?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
So I wonder if the search will continue today?  I'm sure the tent was just for shade and it makes sense to take it down if you're done for the day so it doesn't blow over.  The prescence of the porta- potty just screams "we'll be back" to me.  I hope so.

Holiday or not, the Dutch may as well search.  The sooner they solve the case, the sooner they go home to their families..

No word on that yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 10:33:45 AM
Sorry, I lost my head.  It's the middle of the morning here.  Time to rise and shine and DIG UP THE FREAKIN' YARD!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Sorry, I lost my head.  It's the middle of the morning here.  Time to rise and shine and DIG UP THE FREAKIN' YARD!


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 10:38:26 AM
ok, while it's quiet, can someone tell me what FOB is?

I've forgotten so much about all of this, but I remember there was another message board where people hated Beth - is this it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Sorry, I lost my head.  It's the middle of the morning here.  Time to rise and shine and DIG UP THE FREAKIN' YARD!


MF at FOB was asked that same question about 30 minutes ago.  This was his answer:

I will let you know in a while


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: "jill"
ok, while it's quiet, can someone tell me what FOB is?

I've forgotten so much about all of this, but I remember there was another message board where people hated Beth - is this it?


Freedom of Blog = FOB

Joran supporters  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Just in case there are doubters, I present the following:

Paulus 6/23:

 To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
go to school that day.
I think any parent, knowing their son was being accused of a heinous crime would know this answer.

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day.
He remembers for certain that the younger boys got on the bus.  OOOPS! Memory lapse after that.

To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus,
I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch. How many doors does this bus have, anyway?

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children
get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and
Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus
once or twice during that period. But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
This is where anyone with half a brain (or someone growing a brain for that matter) would see that Paulus is backpeddling fast and furiously.
Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.
[/b]  This comment could only have been made as a repsonse to being confronted with evidence that Joran indeed was not on that bus.  Otherwise, Paulus would have been adamant about it at this point.  I don't care what others have said...Paulus just stated that Joran did not get on that bus on that day.  


EXCELLENT points. Lala's! The mere fact that whether Joran went to school that day or not is even a question in this case, is further proof he did not. I've taught school. If I had a student that came to be suspected of murder or kidnapping, and I got wind of it, I would KNOW whether he was in my class the day after, real quickly. Class attendence is always recorded, but even without a written record, the whole island was connecting JVD with the incident within 10 days. Anyone would be able to backtrack memory that far. This shouldn't be a question. This can be established outside of Paulus' or Joran's "recollection". There are LOTS of folks who KNOW the answer to this question, including schoolmates. Even now, they KNOW the answer, because I guarentee it was settled in their minds at the time, and they remember the correct answer they came up with.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


PVDS June 23, 2005 statement he talks about doing work in the yard:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=459

GOOD MORNING ALL!


Well I do look stupid don't I? I read that over and over and kept missing it everytime.  That is why I was there in the first place. duh!   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "jill"
ok, while it's quiet, can someone tell me what FOB is?

I've forgotten so much about all of this, but I remember there was another message board where people hated Beth - is this it?


Freedom of Blog = FOB

Joran supporters  :evil:


thanks, lol.  idiots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 10:44:07 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Could someone tell me what day Paulus was supposedly gardening in the yard?  Provide a quote or reference if possible.  TIA


PVDS June 23, 2005 statement he talks about doing work in the yard:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=459

GOOD MORNING ALL!


Good morning Klaas, that would be the first day he was detained and the ALE and Dutch interrogators were already on that line of questioning. They had to already have some info to even begin that line of questioning. Wonder who talked?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:46:16 AM
I cannot remember what I did when I got home. I think that Joran
went to bed and that I worked a little in the garden and then started
preparing dinner. I informed Anita about what had taken place. That night
I went to bed early.



I found it.  Thanks Klaas.  So it was only a mention in passing that he was in the garden.  What garden?  Does he tend those weeds of his and hope they grow into beautiful trees?  I never saw anything that makes me think they have a garden?  I was surprised they even found a plant to dig up yesterday, those Sloots are the green thumb type.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: justinsmama on April 28, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
Approximately where in that statement is the gardening/work in the yard mentioned?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
I just got up.
Rob, did you see that little video from CoolAruba ? Of the statement made by Vivienne ??? whoever she is. What was that noise in the background ? Was that a pumping sound ? Or have I lost my mind ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Approximately where in that statement is the gardening/work in the yard mentioned?

About 2/3 the way into it but there are pages missing from the PV so it's really hard to tell.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 10:50:17 AM
I must have missed the garden in all of the pics of that house. It hardly looked even landscaped, to me!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:50:38 AM
That should be aren't the green thumb type...where is that edit button again?   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:58:33 AM
Rob
Don't you think that even though the ALE was most certainly in PVDS back pocket,  they still knew things and needed him to provide an alibi for them?  That is why they would ask these questions that on the surface seemed easy to answer and then allowed him to convolute his response.

Example:  Joran getting on the bus.  Someone said they saw Joran at school and that he slept on the bus.  Yet, we never have a name of that witness.  Then Paulus is asked if Joran went to school on Monday.  Eventually Paulus admits that Joran was not on the bus on Monday, but he was certain he was on Tuesday.  It's a blurring of two days to confuse the issue.  

Headmaster would certainly say Joran was there on Tuesday, since Paulus came to pick him up in the nurses room.  There were records that he checked him out of school that day.  Not on Monday.  He wasn't there.  If he had been and the Headmaster knew it...Paulus would have that info all over the world by now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
Have I got this right? Joran's out with Natalee for 3 hours on the beach.......that would put him home at what, 4:00am? He left C&Cs at say 1:00am, drove around, spent 3 hours at the beach, so approx. 4:00am he's home, right?

Now, he's on his 'puter and phone before going to sleep, so let's say he finally goes to sleep at 4:30-5:00am. THEN, he catches the bus to go to school at what...........7:00am?

Fast`forward to the next night, after he's been to school all day. When Beth and Jug show up...........guess what? Joran is with Deepak and they're making a night of it at the casino! That was what: 2:00am?

RIGHT.................uh-huh. He's the bionic teen. Listen, I have a boy approximately Joran's age. After a sleep over, he's grumpy and in bed ALL day after. This scenario NEVER happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I must have missed the garden in all of the pics of that house. It hardly looked even landscaped, to me!


The only area that remotely appears landscaped is the POOL AREA.  Hint, hint.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I just got up.
Rob, did you see that little video from CoolAruba ? Of the statement made by Vivienne ??? whoever she is. What was that noise in the background ? Was that a pumping sound ? Or have I lost my mind ?


Hi YA Kat_Gram...No I don't think I have seen that video.  I hope you haven't lost your mind.. you have one of the sharper ones.. we need that mind to stay intact... LOL

Hey ta Blah...!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Have I got this right? Joran's out with Natalee for 3 hours on the beach.......that would put him home at what, 4:00am? He left C&Cs at say 1:00am, drove around, spent 3 hours at the beach, so approx. 4:00am he's home, right?

Now, he's on his 'puter and phone before going to sleep, so let's say he finally goes to sleep at 4:30-5:00am. THEN, he catches the bus to go to school at what...........7:00am?

Fast`forward to the next night, after he's been to school all day. When Beth and Jug show up...........guess what? Joran is with Deepak and they're making a night of it at the casino! That was what: 2:00am?

RIGHT.................uh-huh. He's the bionic teen. Listen, I have a boy approximately Joran's age. After a sleep over, he's grumpy and in bed ALL day after. This scenario NEVER happened.


By putting himself out with Natalee until 4 AM in the morning he just blew his entire timeline...shot that sucker straight out of the water into the stratosphere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 11:04:38 AM
I am interested to see what the Diario and Jossy had to say about yesterday's searches. Do we have a link or a translation?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 11:04:50 AM
Amen Lala's, you are cookin today  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:04:53 AM
Yeah, Lala's, and he must have had a well charged lappy with him in between amore moments as well. The computer records don't match up either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Rob
Don't you think that even though the ALE was most certainly in PVDS back pocket,  they still knew things and needed him to provide an alibi for them?  That is why they would ask these questions that on the surface seemed easy to answer and then allowed him to convolute his response.


Good Morning Lalas.. I sure do think that the SOME in the ALE were in Paulus' back pocket...not all but some...

but what is confusing is ~ why did they even start that line of questioning?...I would think that they would be looking for a timeline from him and its seems like they were, then all of a sudden start asking about digging... that is just weird and throws up a red flag for me. They had to have some info that Paulus was actually digging... example - if Paulus says he is changing a car tire that would open a line of questioning as to where were you heading when the tire went flat?

So conversely, Paulus what were you doing at the home on such and such a date?

I was gardening.

What were you planting?

Do you do all the gardening or does Anita do it? or do you normally hire a Columbian?

See what I'm saying.. it's just strange. Is he planting flowers or evidence?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:09:46 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
I am interested to see what the Diario and Jossy had to say about yesterday's searches. Do we have a link or a translation?

Not yet but I imagine Red will get it and do a front page post.  I'll ask Red,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:10:51 AM
I'm doing a stomping my foot dance here. We should all be emailing Greta with these questions about the timeline. I so want Aruba to know these questions aren't going away until there's a logical answer............like Joran's LYING again. And the next logical question is, uh, WHY???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 28, 2007, 11:12:36 AM
Congrads to Peaches,and all of the other monkeys who have been sick.I think the Crown Witness could be gvc or the k2's.Guido's in to deep.We will see.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Amen Lala's, you are cookin today  :lol:


Well, actually I just made a cheesecake.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: nonesuche on April 28, 2007, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Amen Lala's, you are cookin today  :lol:


Well, actually I just made a cheesecake.  :lol:


oh may I have a slice please? on a conference call and no one will know I'm eating cheesecake  :D

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:16:41 AM
O/T.. my annoying bird is back and he brought an even more annoying friend with him

The original bird just whistled three times in a row all day all nite.. this new friend of his whistles four times in a row and then makes a chain saw noise 5 times in a row...

I swear I'm calling the police over this disturbing the peace violation. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
Hey yall - just passing thru catching up from last night.  Gotta go cut grass now, BBL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 11:18:33 AM
Did a read around late last night. Greta and Tacy Joe certainly are a load.
I don't get Greta and even if I did I would be inclined to not watch her show. Never thought I would see a real search of that property. According to Ramm, we will not see or hear a peep from the Dutch investigators. They do things the same way here in Canada. Hear / see it when it goes to court.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
O/T.. my annoying bird is back and he brought an even more annoying friend with him

The original bird just whistled three times in a row all day all nite.. this new friend of his whistles four times in a row and then makes a chain saw noise 5 times in a row...

I swear I'm calling the police over this disturbing the peace violation. :D

Speaking of birds, we have this robin that litterally bashes himself against the window all day long.  It's incredible, we've tried putting things in the sill, nothing works.  Someone suggested we get a fake owl and put it in the shrubs, guess I'll try to find one later today.
Ok, gotta get to work on the yard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:21:02 AM
I'm amusing myself reading The Adventures of Louise, while waiting for news of today's activities.

Quite a great group of people you all have here.  I love how you've gotten stronger and stronger each year that Natalee has been gone.

 :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:21:50 AM
OT

Klaas? Can I give Jill this for an avatar? I'm not sure if it belongs to anyone else, but if it does, I haven't seen it in along time.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/cutemonkey.jpg)

I'll dress for the holidays, but she's asked for a base, and I think it's cute.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: "jill"
I'm amusing myself reading The Adventures of Louise, while waiting for news of today's activities.

Quite a great group of people you all have here.  I love how you've gotten stronger and stronger each year that Natalee has been gone.

 :)

 :lol:  :lol:
Didn't see you, Jill!
I'm hunting choices for you, hon!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 11:23:20 AM
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 11:23:44 AM
Rob,

I think Kat_Gram is referring to the video, here:

http://www.24ora.com/

BTW, you had a friend planning a trip to Aruba last year, I forget his name...guess he didn't come back with any info...it may have been around the time your posting ceased for a bit...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "jill"
I'm amusing myself reading The Adventures of Louise, while waiting for news of today's activities.

Quite a great group of people you all have here.  I love how you've gotten stronger and stronger each year that Natalee has been gone.

 :)

 :lol:  :lol:
Didn't see you, Jill!
I'm hunting choices for you, hon!  :wink:


thanks, cbb - you've seen my request!  lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:25:12 AM
2NJ- Thanks. I ll check it out now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:26:06 AM
Cheesecake for all..it's really good too.  


Rob
You and I are thinking along the same lines no doubt.  The ALE that day was Tromp and Burke.  I suspect that both had their sets of questions and just jumped in and began at any opportunity.  That could explain why they seem to be all over the place with the questions.  However, I feel that only allowed Paulus to divert attention to less relevant topics.  Thus the bus questions and then the racket club and finally they jump to gardening and on to the other things.  If you read it closely, as I know you have done, you see they are all over the place and never truly focus on anything.  It worked to Paulus' advantage too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
I am interested to see what the Diario and Jossy had to say about yesterday's searches. Do we have a link or a translation?

Not yet but I imagine Red will get it and do a front page post.  I'll ask Red,


I did find this link to a video statement from the prosecutor's office which was taken at the sloot home.   http://www.coolaruba.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:


I've been thinking the same about the supposed pre-scheduled search and the timing of the diary excerpts & the talk show prior to book release...does seem odd.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "jill"
I'm amusing myself reading The Adventures of Louise, while waiting for news of today's activities.

Quite a great group of people you all have here.  I love how you've gotten stronger and stronger each year that Natalee has been gone.

 :)

 :lol:  :lol:
Didn't see you, Jill!
I'm hunting choices for you, hon!  :wink:


thanks, cbb - you've seen my request!  lol.


Uh-Huh! Trust me, we'll find you something! I like to see monkey faces!  :wink:
We'll leave some choices in the lounge, and you can choose what you like, then we'll dress you up for the Holidays.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
I am interested to see what the Diario and Jossy had to say about yesterday's searches. Do we have a link or a translation?

Not yet but I imagine Red will get it and do a front page post.  I'll ask Red,


I did find this link to a video statement from the prosecutor's office which was taken at the sloot home.   http://www.coolaruba.com/

Thanks, yes we saw that yesterday.  Was nice to hear it in English.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 11:28:52 AM
I'll mark my place, but I have to run out for a while. Jill, check back in the lounge later, k?

See you guys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 11:29:52 AM
Same here...have to get something to eat and get some things done...bbl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "jill"
I'm amusing myself reading The Adventures of Louise, while waiting for news of today's activities.

Quite a great group of people you all have here.  I love how you've gotten stronger and stronger each year that Natalee has been gone.

 :)

 :lol:  :lol:
Didn't see you, Jill!
I'm hunting choices for you, hon!  :wink:


thanks, cbb - you've seen my request!  lol.


Uh-Huh! Trust me, we'll find you something! I like to see monkey faces!  :wink:
We'll leave some choices in the lounge, and you can choose what you like, then we'll dress you up for the Holidays.  :D


thanks - I'll be here!  (not logging off anytime soon...)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Cheesecake for all..it's really good too.  


Rob
You and I are thinking along the same lines no doubt.  The ALE that day was Tromp and Burke.  I suspect that both had their sets of questions and just jumped in and began at any opportunity.  That could explain why they seem to be all over the place with the questions.  However, I feel that only allowed Paulus to divert attention to less relevant topics.  Thus the bus questions and then the racket club and finally they jump to gardening and on to the other things.  If you read it closely, as I know you have done, you see they are all over the place and never truly focus on anything.  It worked to Paulus' advantage too.


Terrific analysis. So you are saying they didn't have a plan of attack and just went every which way and tried to pry something loose. Good thinking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:


yeah and what does that say for the overall accuracy of said garbage?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:36:18 AM
Paulus 6/23:

When I arrived at the I.S.A.
Joran was already up. I then waited with Joran until the headmaster
was free because he was in a meeting with the school counselor.
 Paulus clearly remembers this day at school, because he has witnesses that can dispute any lies. Wethen briefly talked to the headmaster, at that time we talked about
the fact that the girl had gone missing, that the girl had had a lot to
drink and that Joran should have kept a closer eye on the girl and that
he should have made sure that the girl safely had gone into the Holiday Inn. Paulus knew that was a lie already. He was hoping that story would stick and everyone would just go away. It was early, he didn't anticipate Beth being tenacious.
The headmaster and myself told Joran that he should have acted more
responsibly. We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's
statement.
Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated
by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead
of observations.
This would be Joran's intial witness statement, right? The one we don't have? At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement
and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's, which of these fast food
restaurants we ate I cannot remember anymore.
Then we went home.
Both of us were very tired because we had not slept a lot that night.
Your kid just signed a witness statement about a girl that was missing and you have no idea where you ate lunch?  Significant happenings always dictate vivid recollections of seemingly trivial things. (Hey, I think I just spoke Shango.) :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:38:25 AM
Posted this morning by  Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky at RU - one of the court documents, I think the motion to compel?  There is a list of all the case documents that the Dr. Phil attorneys are requesting:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7ermgdwntym


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:38:54 AM
I have a Guido/Marco question...how could they have changed his name in the book so quickly and then have it readily printed and available on such short notice?  That name change would have been made early on.  Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:


yeah and what does that say for the overall accuracy of said garbage?


I know it's garbage :lol: just shows how low down and coniving Joran&Co are as much of a liar he is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:


I've been thinking the same about the supposed pre-scheduled search and the timing of the diary excerpts & the talk show prior to book release...does seem odd.


I hope Guido can sue the heck out of Joran and whoever helpede him get those excerpts out there.It's plain as day it was a set-up to make it look as tho the info was stolen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted this morning by  Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky at RU - one of the court documents, I think the motion to compel?  There is a list of all the case documents that the Dr. Phil attorneys are requesting:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7ermgdwntym


ViVi also has a link to the docs at Freebird:
http://www.forumsdot.com/freebird/viewtopic.php?t=1045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 11:48:08 AM
Just thinking...the NFI is a professional organization that would present its work and findings of that work for prosecution.  Via what chain of command I do not know. Probably the prosecutor's office for a case.
They took things away from the Sloot property.  
.
Read that about 30 days ago the KLPD did a report to the OM.
.
Actually went to FOB and MF was going to find out if the NFI was there again today.
.
Think it's going to be a long wait folks.
.
You would think that someone ( a Sloot ) would just give it up and get it over with, but I can pray for that one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:50:29 AM
any info out of Aruba today yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:50:48 AM
Quote from: "jill"
any info out of Aruba today yet?

Not yet Jill and I'm looking everywhere


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: msmarple on April 28, 2007, 11:51:52 AM
Spock - I posted Diario's story about the search, with an online Pap translation (always unsatisfactory) at about 7:30 a.m. today, probably about Page 26.

Lala's - Find Guido, Replace with Marco - takes maybe a half a minute in today's publishing world.

Monkeys - Remember that some members of our tribe are in Miami today and tomorrow, at the Travel Show.

So, we don't know whether they're searching today or not?

FUBARUBA!

Gotta leave again. BBL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "jill"
any info out of Aruba today yet?

Not yet Jill and I'm looking everywhere


sorry if I sound impatient.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I have a Guido/Marco question...how could they have changed his name in the book so quickly and then have it readily printed and available on such short notice?  That name change would have been made early on.  Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here?


With Guido's attorney, I'm sure the plan, all along was not to use Guido's name.  Haven't seen the book, but I'll bet Freddy isn't Freddy either.

I think the court case was some kind of contract dispute (Anita was in town).  Maybe the posting of the notes was part of the contract to display a certain amount of internet advertising. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted this morning by  Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky at RU - one of the court documents, I think the motion to compel?  There is a list of all the case documents that the Dr. Phil attorneys are requesting:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7ermgdwntym


I'm getting a blank page, saying 'Done' bottom left.

GEL's link to Vivi's, however, works for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 11:54:05 AM
Carry on monkeys...I have a few things I must do today...yes, unfortunately.  I will check back in a couple of hours.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 11:54:07 AM
Been doing some catching up this morning. Just finished reviewing the transcript from Greta's show last night. It was said, no forensics were done with the initial search of Joran's apartment or with the impounded cars: not even luminol. The searches were for specific items in full view: shoes, computers, clothes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 11:55:44 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I have a Guido/Marco question...how could they have changed his name in the book so quickly and then have it readily printed and available on such short notice?  That name change would have been made early on.  Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here?


Yes.  If the book had not yet gone to press and was still in a digital form, it would take seconds.  Think "find and replace".


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
Been doing some catching up this morning. Just finished reviewing the transcript from Greta's show last night. It was said, no forensics were done with the initial search of Joran's apartment or with the impounded cars: not even luminol. The searches were for specific items in full view: shoes, computers, clothes.


Joe T said that and it may be true, but I'm not convinced just because he said it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 11:57:28 AM
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 11:59:03 AM
Good Morning Monkeys :D

Nfl Draft is today so I will be lerking and occasional posts..

Lets hope this is the end of the line for the sloots...

I do think the KLPD thinks the sloot home is where Natalee passed and I am hoping this weekend they get some Info what happened to her after that..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:

 :lol: Seems like alot for someone that's still considered a suspect, huh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:


I saw that.

That's a lot of dineros.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 11:59:25 AM
I could not get any data from VIVI's site, just an index. Is she in law school ?  
?? Try again later. She is as sharp as a tack.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Been doing some catching up this morning. Just finished reviewing the transcript from Greta's show last night. It was said, no forensics were done with the initial search of Joran's apartment or with the impounded cars: not even luminol. The searches were for specific items in full view: shoes, computers, clothes.


It wouldn't surprise me that no forensics were done, since there were those who didn't want to solve this crime.  "She simply vanished."  No evidence of a crime.  No evidence to hold the rapists.  Not even lesser charges were filed.  On the other hand, I'm not going to believe it just because joe t says it.  He lies better than his clients and possibly more often.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:

 :lol: Seems like alot for someone that's still considered a suspect, huh?


You saw this too then posted by HannieC:

Snipped out of a secretely taped conversation of 40 minutes, in the transportbus from the police station to KIA, between Deepak and Satish onm june 22th 2005;


D; I`m not going much outside ( in prison), because they ask to much shit..
S; If you stay on yourself you are going to think too much, so don`t stay alone, talk to people, go play domino.

D; I have told them that they have to arrest Freddy too.
S; The three of us have beren arrested, but he just knows the truth.

D; I`ve also told them to arrest Koen and Sander. f***ing all. They won`t get a tip from me as long the truth stays away. None of them are friends, besides us, do you understand, do I understand.....


Snip;

S; I know where I am. I am with the truth, i`m alsways with the truth..
D; I`m not afraid, I miss momma and that stuff. That bores me.
S; Yes
D; Not that I`m afraid, the worst thing already happend. I`ve been already on the worst spot, so nothing worse can happen then this, you know. But I know that when I`m outside ( free), they are going to pay me good...

LMAO, you can say that again, $ 800,000,000......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 12:05:25 PM
is this MF guy at FOB a Joran-supporter?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Just thinking here(I know-it's dangerous :lol:)I have thought since those book excerpts was posted by SK @FOB and allowed to stay up long enough to be copied and pasted everywhere was b/c Guido was the one that didn't want his name in Joran's book.Now we find out it was b/c Guido's name is Marco in the book.What's to say he got really po'd and talked and this is what has led to these searches?Then again as robots says it could be the Kalpoes doing the talking.Just seems funny though that this search came about right after the book excerpts and the book came out.  :wink:

That was my theory last nite, I proposed Quido for this same reason.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:


I saw that.

That's a lot of dineros.


No way a court would give that kind of money to these two scumbags who were involved in some way in the disappearance of a young woman.  They have Skeeters tape, proof that it IS legit and Deepak DID say they all had sex with her, they've got them lying to police, there were news reports all over the place that these guys were involved in a rape/murder, so even if some dumber than dumb California jury gave them money, it would be appealed.  If the Kalpoes did get a few million out of the deal somehow, they'd be like those lottery winners who spend it all in a year's time and end up with nada.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:10:07 PM
FOX NOW


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: "jill"
is this MF guy at FOB a Joran-supporter?


YES

Edited to add:  But he is also in Aruba and we think may be a reporter


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:11:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.

Ok, help me again here, how is it MF knows they didn't find anything. How is he privy to all the information the investigators have?  What's his connection to the KLPD


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
Fox update. Orlando Salinas.. is someone going to post the highlights or should I?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 12:12:52 PM
ok, I found FOB.  Interesting.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 12:12:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "jill"
is this MF guy at FOB a Joran-supporter?


YES

Edited to add:  But he is also in Aruba and we think may be a reporter


I know MF could be a reporter,but hasn't he said he owns a resturant also?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sue on April 28, 2007, 12:13:23 PM
Fox just covered story that have someone on the island now
they have taken items from house and are probing area on side of house


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
:shock: the Kalpoe/Dr.phil lawsuit USD-800 million?? :shock:   :twisted:


there is no way to justify that amount.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:13:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Fox update. Orlando Salinas.. is someone going to post the highlights or should I?

Whichever's the fastest Rob.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.

Ok, help me again here, how is it MF knows they didn't find anything. How is he privy to all the information the investigators have?  What's his connection to the KLPD


All MF knows is that nobody had been told if anything has been found.  MF would not know.   He knows they are still searching because anyone can see that if they are in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:13:55 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I could not get any data from VIVI's site, just an index. Is she in law school ?  
?? Try again later. She is as sharp as a tack.


I clicked on red arrow thingy to the right to download pdf file....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.

Ok, help me again here, how is it MF knows they didn't find anything. How is he privy to all the information the investigators have?  What's his connection to the KLPD



All MF knows is that nobody had been told if anything has been found.  MF would not know.   He knows they are still searching because anyone can see that if they are in Aruba.

Ok, so he's just speculating, or better yet, wishful thinking.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on April 28, 2007, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Fox update. Orlando Salinas.. is someone going to post the highlights or should I?



i feel like i got totally punked yesterday....
fill me in.....i only have a few at the library...lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 12:15:30 PM
I'm dropping laundry! :cry:

The search continued since early this morning. They have carried several boxes from the property. They seemed to be measuring a place on the grounds at one point. The 2 year date is looming.

The dogs are still there.

That's nutshell.............


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Rob"
Fox update. Orlando Salinas.. is someone going to post the highlights or should I?

Whichever's the fastest Rob.


They removed several box and bags and measured an area. They have the area blocked off as mentioned by MF. Joran changed his initial story 3 times and the components 25 times.

Dogs are searching the property and they showed men taking pictures over a concrete wall.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 12:16:52 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
Fox just covered story that have someone on the island now
they have taken items from house and are probing area on side of house


holy carp!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
The MF " nothing new has been found " is just a crock. When these forensic guys go in and take stuff, they take it to the lab. They don't come out and make announcements to ppl standing around outside the police tapes. It isn't like the TV show, MF.
. It takes ( here ) quite a bit of time to make a determination.  
Dana would have more of a clue than I do about the inner workings of an opertion like this.This is a serious operation. They went in there with a warrant looking for specific items for testing. And they got that warrant based on facts, not gossip.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:18:00 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.

Ok, help me again here, how is it MF knows they didn't find anything. How is he privy to all the information the investigators have?  What's his connection to the KLPD



All MF knows is that nobody had been told if anything has been found.  MF would not know.   He knows they are still searching because anyone can see that if they are in Aruba.

Ok, so he's just speculating, or better yet, wishful thinking.


Yep - he only posts what he wants people to know and it's always slanted.  However, since he is in Aruba he can report that they are still searching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:19:39 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Joran Van der Sloot Residence Searched … “On the Record” … Natalee Holloway Investigation


http://tinyurl.com/39slfw


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
I think.. They are treating the area like a crime scene looking for blood evidence 22 months ago..Soil samples..etc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: "MisGivings"

**********************************************************
Hmmm, I wonder why you see me there since I haven't been here for a long time.
My little Peanut had to be put down a week ago Wednesday, I lost my cat Nellie to the tainted cat food, my youngest cat, Silky, disappeared last Friday night, and now I have lost 'my son'.
The only light here now is that the young man's best friend's girlfriend went into labor today, and we are all waiting to welcome this little girl into the world when she decides to be born.


If it wasn't you, I must have you mixed up with MisUnderstated.  In any case, I'll add you to my prayers again today.   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


Well I sure thank the Dutch for that-don't think I could live without chocki :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


I'm not denying bringing it up, I'm just saying WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:26:21 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


Well I sure thank the Dutch for that-don't think I could live without chocki :lol:

Me either GEL, in fact if I don't get it on a regular basis I get grouchy. (Boy this sounds bad doesn't it LOL).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


I'm not denying bringing it up, I'm just saying WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?

Nuthin' sorry  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 28, 2007, 12:28:38 PM
Among many of the ridiculous and self-serving comments from Greta last night was the one about, no one ever asked PVDS to search his property.

New front page post with You Tube video of last nights show:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/28/joran-van-der-sloot-residence-searched-on-the-record-natalee-holloway-investigation/

Maybe Greta would like to go back and search her interviews from 2005. Um, I was there when her producer shot the video of an attempt to search the VDS property in July 2005.

Also Tim Miller called me this morning to remind me that PVDS threatened to have Tim arrested for going near his property in an effort to search it to clear the property as a potential site.

Um Greta, you should know ... you did the interview.

GEEZ  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 12:29:54 PM
Yesterday I was very emotional after I came and read the announcements in the cage while I was at work. I wanted them to find Natalee as soon as they got to the Sloots. Just a flood of emotions. I wanted to just come home, but I had to stay there because we were working on something for the higher ups. I did feel sick, but it was probably just the raw emotions. Not much sleep last night, trying to think over in a logical way just what all of this means. I imagine that all of us have been waiting for a long time for something of this magnitude to happen. My logical brain is telling me they are building a case for prosecution against the Sloots plural.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:31:46 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


I'm not denying bringing it up, I'm just saying WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?[/quote]
Nuthin' sorry  :cry:[/quote]

Perhaps I wasn't clear as I read and type to try to keep up.   :lol: I brought up Chocki, but I take no responsibility for the overindulgence of said scrumptious substance by other Monkeys.   :wink: It's not like I yelled FIRE in a crowded theater!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:34:16 PM
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 12:35:53 PM
INDYDAN- :lol:  some of my friends say they get grouchy when in need of chocki.I tell them do what I do-just buy a big supply when shopping so you don't run out :D I have to tho cause I am about 30 minutes to the nearest store.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: LilPuma on April 28, 2007, 12:36:17 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Among many of the ridiculous and self-serving comments from Greta last night was the one about, no one ever asked PVDS to search his property.

New front page post with You Tube video of last nights show:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/28/joran-van-der-sloot-residence-searched-on-the-record-natalee-holloway-investigation/

Maybe Greta would like to go back and search her interviews from 2005. Um, I was there when her producer shot the video of an attempt to search the VDS property in July 2005.

Also Tim Miller called me this morning to remind me that PVDS threatened to have Tim arrested for going near his property in an effort to search it to clear the property as a potential site.

Um Greta, you should know ... you did the interview.

GEEZ  :shock:


I'll add that Joe said he didn't know if ALE had access to forensics.  Excuse me?  Can you say F.B.I.?  They were sitting right there most of the summer wanting to help!  Neither Greta nor her panel thought to mention this.  It was one of the worst segments on this case that Greta ever put on air.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?

Could be Rob


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:40:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I think so..I think they are pretty sure this was the area where something bad happened..Or she was brought here right after that..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Well until I heard Salinas say they were measuring an area, I didnt think this was it... but why measure an area unless it is to see if a person of Natalee's height could fit in there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted this morning by  Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky at RU - one of the court documents, I think the motion to compel?  There is a list of all the case documents that the Dr. Phil attorneys are requesting:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7ermgdwntym


ViVi also has a link to the docs at Freebird:
http://www.forumsdot.com/freebird/viewtopic.php?t=1045


Thanks for ViVi link...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Wiretaps?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 12:43:19 PM
I was thinking Joran's shoe(s) Natalee's jewelery, etc.
around the tree area.
So is everyone sleeping in Koen's parent's bed tonight ? Satish, Nadira, Sander, Koen,  Deepak ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: BTgirl on April 28, 2007, 12:43:57 PM
Hi monkeys. I'm trying to get ready for company and it's interfering with my monkey time.  :(

You know, last night I posted the note that Jossy sent to Easy saying that his reporter had been outside the VDS residence all day yesterday and no one was telling anyone anything. This makes me think (like many of you) that MF doesn't have any inside information.

Just as several of you have said, when people do a truly professional investigation, they don't pause at the gate and spill the beans to whoever happens to be standing around.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Well until I heard Salinas say they were measuring an area, I didnt think this was it... but why measure an area unless it is to see if a person of Natalee's height could fit in there?


I didn't catch the report, but read the transciptions...this makes me think they'd have equipment to detect something first in that area to warrant measuring...also, measuring could just be part of setting up grids to work on one at a time, like archaeologists use...so you could be right, or it may just be to leave no stones unturned.  Just don't know....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I could not get any data from VIVI's site, just an index. Is she in law school ?  
?? Try again later. She is as sharp as a tack.


I clicked on red arrow thingy to the right to download pdf file....


Me too....WOW


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 12:48:04 PM
Search at van der Sloots continue        
Saturday, 28 April 2007  

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2006/11/joran10.JPG)


Saturday morning the investigation of the dutch forensic experts continued. Early in the morning the team started to set up their tents and other equipment to continue their work. We have noticed that there are not as many officials present as yesterday's search.

Unofficialy we have received the information that part of the team will investigate in other areas of the island.We will follow the case closely so keep visiting for more updates when available. Also you can register to be a member (free) and receive breaking news updates via e-mail.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/405/8/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Wiretaps?


Maybe, but if they exist, then it wasn't enough to bring them to trial....I know...it's crazy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


I'm still wondering how Dompig had info as to Natalee being buried at all, let alone moved to different locations...leads to Vanderstraaten's saying she'd died because he was familiar with the evidence....could be, Rob...my mind is just on evidence, period....


Wiretaps?


They must have a credible witness in the case files that mentions the back yard and the gardens...De Vries told us ablout that in his report..

Good news is..The KLPD  knows this should have been done 22 months ago..They probably know Paulus and his crooked friends were running things back then..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Hi monkeys. I'm trying to get ready for company and it's interfering with my monkey time.  :(

You know, last night I posted the note that Jossy sent to Easy saying that his reporter had been outside the VDS residence all day yesterday and no one was telling anyone anything. This makes me think (like many of you) that MF doesn't have any inside information.

Just as several of you have said, when people do a truly professional investigation, they don't pause at the gate and spill the beans to whoever happens to be standing around.


Which brings me back to Rob's post about Salinus saying they are measuring an area of the property....mmmm, maybe....sorry...got out of bed on the skeptic side today, I guess... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2007, 12:55:13 PM
In part of Dr. Phill's motion to compel Kalpos to produce documents...he writes they only produced one (and unofficial).  He says they sent internet pages dating March 30th-April 12th 2007, "pulled off the internet".

When did FOB leave the diary notes up??  Wonder if they did it to help in a 800mill suit...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
In part of Dr. Phill's motion to compel Kalpos to produce documents...he writes they only produced one (and unofficial).  He says they sent internet pages dating March 30th-April 12th 2007, "pulled off the internet".

When did FOB leave the diary notes up??  Wonder if they did it to help in a 800mill suit...


http://freedomofblog.com/forum29/4488.html

Looks like SandraK posted on 3/28/07....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 01:00:33 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
In part of Dr. Phill's motion to compel Kalpos to produce documents...he writes they only produced one (and unofficial).  He says they sent internet pages dating March 30th-April 12th 2007, "pulled off the internet".

When did FOB leave the diary notes up??  Wonder if they did it to help in a 800mill suit...

I have no doubt that members of FOB and RU helped supply both Joran and the Kalpoes with information.  Remember Joran's computer screen shot of when he accidentally shared his entire hard drive?  He has copied of everything posted.  I'm sure someone gathered that information for him and sent it in word format.

You can bet besides the BFN.Doc, there was an SM.Doc and RU.Doc and FOB.Doc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


Hi Rob, it's certainly possible IMO. Do you think it might have been the dog food truck?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 28, 2007, 01:05:12 PM
Hey Monkeys,I just cut the yard.Misgivings,I am so sorry for your loss,I really am.The fact is that NAH.,could and was buried or stored in several sites.So much to clean up by amatuers.The fact that anita of the ditch knew very specific things about NAH's panties,HOW,unless she had seen them.I koen is a weak link,along with gvc.Time will tell.Put out a reward to find and bring to the police the ditch boy,and he will be dropped off quickly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im prolly way off base here... but is this area that the tree was at, the area where they searched yesterday, the first burial site? Anyone think so?

then she was moved at Dompig suggested?


Hi Rob, it's certainly possible IMO. Do you think it might have been the dog food truck?


.::shrugs shoulders::. BB

Love your hair-do :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 01:08:11 PM
I'm encouraged that they have potential evidence in those bags and boxes. That alone tells me they are serious and they believe there could still be something that needs to be analyzed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 01:10:05 PM
Klaas-are you downloading the latest documents?
If you are can you post some of the main parts.I can't download anything,I'm having harddrive problems.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I'm encouraged that they have potential evidence in those bags and boxes. That alone tells me they are serious and they believe there could still be something that needs to be analyzed.


Yes..Great news!! Lets hope that forensics find something..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 01:13:55 PM
GRRRRR - I'm getting frustrated that none of the news channels are updating their stories.

Apparently, this morning MSNBC reported that 8 bags were carried out of the house, but no story up yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas-are you downloading the latest documents?
If you are can you post some of the main parts.I can't download anything,I'm having harddrive problems.

I've only downloaded the 171 page one.  The rest I may have to do later.  Have to run to the store in a few minutes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas-are you downloading the latest documents?
If you are can you post some of the main parts.I can't download anything,I'm having harddrive problems.

I've only downloaded the 171 page one.  The rest I may have to do later.  Have to run to the store in a few minutes.


That means you'll be done downloading within the hour... :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas-are you downloading the latest documents?
If you are can you post some of the main parts.I can't download anything,I'm having harddrive problems.

I've only downloaded the 171 page one.  The rest I may have to do later.  Have to run to the store in a few minutes.


OkeyDokey-I'll be waiting :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 01:17:53 PM
LilPuma wrote;
Quote

I'm not denying bringing it up, I'm just saying WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?


Nothing wrong with chocki, nothing, nothing nothing. Now don't feel bad, you're a good kitty........

(http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/monkey_kitty_2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 28, 2007, 01:19:29 PM
Back to the honeydew work stop.i will return to lurk later,don't lose hope yet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 01:26:20 PM
Need to run to a couple of stores, be back in a bit


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas-are you downloading the latest documents?
If you are can you post some of the main parts.I can't download anything,I'm having harddrive problems.

I've only downloaded the 171 page one.  The rest I may have to do later.  Have to run to the store in a few minutes.

I downloaded the larger file .. the 171 page one this time. Dr. Phil is asking for documents. Satish made 44 statements to the police.. From the beginning to September. The Kalpoes are claiming priviledge under Aruban law. I bookmarked Vivi's site, she will post the summary.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
LilPuma wrote;
Quote

I'm not denying bringing it up, I'm just saying WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?


Nothing wrong with chocki, nothing, nothing nothing. Now don't feel bad, you're a good kitty........

(http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/monkey_kitty_2.jpg)

This is so cute.  I love it.  

It's a good day, monkeys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 01:43:47 PM
The Kalpoes seek to have the case heard in the US and are using Aruban Law to not produce documents. The US court has ordered them to produce these docs. HA They are in a catch 22.
If they produce these documents, and Dr. Phil is asking for documents from a former Kalpoe attorney, they look guilty. If they don't goodbye Kalpoes. They are also asking for Joran's statement where Joran says he thinks Deepak raped and murdered Natalee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Search at van der Sloots continue        
Saturday, 28 April 2007  

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2006/11/joran10.JPG)


Saturday morning the investigation of the dutch forensic experts continued. Early in the morning the team started to set up their tents and other equipment to continue their work. We have noticed that there are not as many officials present as yesterday's search.

Unofficialy we have received the information that part of the team will investigate in other areas of the island.We will follow the case closely so keep visiting for more updates when available. Also you can register to be a member (free) and receive breaking news updates via e-mail.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/405/8/


See there isn't anything there but sand...just sand and dirt.  No garden.  

Now, I have to go find me some chocolate...don't know why I have a craving...must be someone in the cage's fault. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
OMGosh -  :lol:  :lol:

I just spent a bit of time reading over at FOB!  Constant infighting, no real discussion about the case - only backstabbing at LE and the victim's family (OMG not to mention the "Natalee Doll"?  WTF are these people?).

I can't help but laugh my azz off, watching the admin running around banning people, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, gosh - that was a good laugh.  Reminds me of so many other sites with deviant posters - sites that have constant turnover except for maybe 4 core posters - and those 4 are usually suffering from a host of real-life mental illnesses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 01:48:53 PM
And I can't copy and paste the intersting bits here because I am not Klaasend. It will not let me do that at the moment. If I post the 171 pages as a REPLY I just might blow something up ?
ps That monkey and the kiity are very cute.
I need to go to our zoo here. It's Monkey Baby time and they had some cute pix in the paper.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 01:49:39 PM
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
The Kalpoes seek to have the case heard in the US and are using Aruban Law to not produce documents. The US court has ordered them to produce these docs. HA They are in a catch 22.
If they produce these documents, and Dr. Phil is asking for documents from a former Kalpoe attorney, they look guilty. If they don't goodbye Kalpoes. They are also asking for Joran's statement where Joran says he thinks Deepak raped and murdered Natalee.


And all they have is blog site info to back them up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Search at van der Sloots continue        
Saturday, 28 April 2007  

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2006/11/joran10.JPG)


Saturday morning the investigation of the dutch forensic experts continued. Early in the morning the team started to set up their tents and other equipment to continue their work. We have noticed that there are not as many officials present as yesterday's search.

Unofficialy we have received the information that part of the team will investigate in other areas of the island.We will follow the case closely so keep visiting for more updates when available. Also you can register to be a member (free) and receive breaking news updates via e-mail.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/405/8/


See there isn't anything there but sand...just sand and dirt.  No garden.  

Now, I have to go find me some chocolate...don't know why I have a craving...must be someone in the cage's fault. :wink:


Lala,  this looks like the area behind their house over the fence.  There are trees and plantings around the pool according to the other pictures posted.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new



*******,
I have an account there as well but it says Username invalid.  Did you have to re-register after the last time they were down?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new



*******,
I have an account there as well but it says Username invalid.  Did you have to re-register after the last time they were down?

.


Anna they sent me a link-I'll see if I still have it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: "jill"
OMGosh -  :lol:  :lol:

I just spent a bit of time reading over at FOB!  Constant infighting, no real discussion about the case - only backstabbing at LE and the victim's family (OMG not to mention the "Natalee Doll"?  WTF are these people?).

I can't help but laugh my azz off, watching the admin running around banning people, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, gosh - that was a good laugh.  Reminds me of so many other sites with deviant posters - sites that have constant turnover except for maybe 4 core posters - and those 4 are usually suffering from a host of real-life mental illnesses.


The other hate site is much worse in MY OPINION.  Much sicker stuff there.

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 01:58:41 PM
Well there was one former tree in the front yard.
And the septic services yesterday are interesting.  
I have no legal background and I think that I am going to have to wait for others who do to post their thoughts.
Jossy used to say that the case was in thePV's. Just laying there. We had how many ? Just the teasers.
And all this new activity and the number of statments made by Satish
just backs up the thinking that the Arubans were indeed trying to sweep this under the carpet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 28, 2007, 01:58:46 PM
Hi Monkeys.  I expected everyone to be in cuffs by now.   :roll:  

Here's what I'm not getting - if they have enough jurisdiction, approval from on-high, and legal justification for conducting this search, why don't they have enough of the same to haul slimebag PVDS in for torture?  Ok...intense questioning.

And the wiretapped conversation between Deepak and Satish - is this new?  I don't remember reading such explicit detail from the original wiretap while they were all 3 sitting in the police van?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 28, 2007, 01:59:44 PM
Who is our resident shango expert on duty today.did it say one would sacrificed.hmmmm,i wonder who?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new



*******,
I have an account there as well but it says Username invalid.  Did you have to re-register after the last time they were down?

.


You may have to..The docs are interesting..Kalpoes suing for 800 million.. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 02:02:06 PM
Anna-I guess I deleted it,can't find it anywhere :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new



*******,
I have an account there as well but it says Username invalid.  Did you have to re-register after the last time they were down?

.


Anna they sent me a link-I'll see if I still have it.


Thanks Gel but I have the link.  Still says username does not exist.  Maybe I've been banned.   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "jill"
OMGosh -  :lol:  :lol:

I just spent a bit of time reading over at FOB!  Constant infighting, no real discussion about the case - only backstabbing at LE and the victim's family (OMG not to mention the "Natalee Doll"?  WTF are these people?).

I can't help but laugh my azz off, watching the admin running around banning people, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, gosh - that was a good laugh.  Reminds me of so many other sites with deviant posters - sites that have constant turnover except for maybe 4 core posters - and those 4 are usually suffering from a host of real-life mental illnesses.


The other hate site is much worse in MY OPINION.  Much sicker stuff there.

 :roll:


RU?  If so, I remember that one clearly.

Oh well, what can ya do?  Crazies everywhere.  And I think I'll shut up now - lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 02:08:15 PM
From Debbie at BFN « Reply #278 on: Today at 01:03:14 PM »

Just announced:

Watch Fox News... later this hour they will be having an update.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:08:29 PM
Lil Puma,
I have to agree that that was the worst Greta show ever.  I think she went from being VERY conveniently forgetful to outright lying.  She knows full well that the original search was blocked as well as TES refused entry under threat of calling his buds the cops on them.

Dozens of misstatements went unchallenged.  She mentioned Joran's timeline because it sticks in her mind as she noticed the missing hour the first time he said it to her but she didn't have the guts to call him directly on it.

Beth pulled Greta's ratings out of the toilet for her and this is the thanks she gets for doing that?  Back-stabber just like Julia Renfro.

Just my opinion but that's what I think and that's what I know.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Red on April 28, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
Diario translation to news article available on FP

see update I:


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/28/search-continues-at-the-van-der-sloot-residence-for-clues-to-natalee-holloway-disappearance/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 02:14:02 PM
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Lil Puma,
I have to agree that that was the worst Greta show ever.  I think she went from being VERY conveniently forgetful to outright lying.  She knows full well that the original search was blocked as well as TES refused entry under threat of calling his buds the cops on them.

Dozens of misstatements went unchallenged.  She mentioned Joran's timeline because it sticks in her mind as she noticed the missing hour the first time he said it to her but she didn't have the guts to call him directly on it.

Beth pulled Greta's ratings out of the toilet for her and this is the thanks she gets for doing that?  Back-stabber just like Julia Renfro.

Just my opinion but that's what I think and that's what I know.

.


GRETA SUCKS  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 02:18:53 PM
BBL - going to go pick out new bathroom tile -  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Peaches on April 28, 2007, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway


I hate them all.

I guess I've thought they did all along.  It's just so wrong.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 02:24:51 PM
have no fear

they got em this time

FOR sure

BET it ALL

BYE BYE PAULUS  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on April 28, 2007, 02:25:26 PM
Hello all you magnifcent monkeys!.  I cannot stay long today but will be back this evening.

I see the case hit the front page of AOL.  Anything new happening today? or are they taking the long holiday weekend off?  Is the latest new tactical maneuever to let the Sloots do what they want this holiday weekend and they will tract their movements = give the SLoots time to hide the evidence/body once again.   :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Let's keep up the good spirits, prayers, and the good fight.  Let's bring Natalee home this time!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "*******"
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway




I just reviewed the section of the files you are referring to. Those are requests for documents that the Plaintiff's believe or suspect exist but that does not mean there are any such documents. This is a normal legal request for documents that may or may not exist.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:28:58 PM
Did anyone else read post by Hannie C stating that Deepak said not only must Freddie tell the truth but they should arrest him and arrest Koen and Sander, too!   :shock:

This was supposedly from the backseat police car tape that was made of the suspects.

I wonder if this is Joran spin only or factual.  It is allegedly in his book that she is reading and sometimes translates snippets thereof.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 02:29:47 PM
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 02:30:00 PM
@BFN Aristotle just posted this:

I just heard an update...that they will stay until the job is done...they are focusing on one particular area, and there is a refrigerated truck out front...and some crime scene police tape.

Fox..

stay turned for more updates later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 02:31:34 PM
thank thank you

K2 brothers


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 28, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Did anyone else read post by Hannie C stating that Deepak said not only must Freddie tell the truth but they should arrest him and arrest Koen and Sander, too!   :shock:

This was supposedly from the backseat police car tape that was made of the suspects.

I wonder if this is Joran spin only or factual.  It is allegedly in his book that she is reading and sometimes translates snippets thereof.

.



Anna, this is what I was talking about earlier.  I don't remember any of this detail from "the back seat"???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 02:36:35 PM
Following the interview with Joran ... Greta made the infamous statement ... "I am inclined to believe him".  Nevertheless Beth Twitty never back down to Greta one iota in her response to the interview.  Greta may have been "inclined" to believe Joran but ... Natalee Holloway's mother was not deceived.

As Anna would say .... "I laughed and ... I laughed."

Janet

Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
March 21, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you and I have spent an awful lot of time together, talked together. You know my entire staff. Was it difficult for you that we sat down with him?

TWITTY: Oh, no. No, I mean, I think that any time that we can get Joran speaking, I think that he only incriminates himself every time. And you know, I've heard his offer that he is willing to sit down with myself or with Dave or the family, and absolutely, I would do it. I would go to Holland. I'd meet him wherever he would choose to. But you know, Greta, I would have to have one polygraph expert with me because, you know, just having Joran talk without any type of repercussions — I mean, I think those days are over for him. You know, I'd like to get to the bottom of where his lies are, and I think that a polygraph expert could help do that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 28, 2007, 02:37:19 PM
From BFN:

fox is reporting now cadaver dogs....that is much different than earlier when they wouldn't say what kind of dogs.

They are using shovels and poles to dig up around the house.


Can somebody give me the link for the lawsuit docs re: $800K?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:37:44 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
Quote from: "Anna"
Did anyone else read post by Hannie C stating that Deepak said not only must Freddie tell the truth but they should arrest him and arrest Koen and Sander, too!   :shock:

This was supposedly from the backseat police car tape that was made of the suspects.

I wonder if this is Joran spin only or factual.  It is allegedly in his book that she is reading and sometimes translates snippets thereof.

.



Anna, this is what I was talking about earlier.  I don't remember any of this detail from "the back seat"???



Thoes Gottenbros were not mentioned in our translation of that conversation.  I wonder if Jossy removed them to prevent a lawsuit should they turn out not to be involved or what.


Also, I will stand by my own and Granny Toad's assessment of Joran attending school, not not, on Monday and that he did in fact put in at least a showing because the headmaster said to Paulus "Don't you remember. . .he was late and you drove him."  Said this in front of friends of Jug on Wednesday.

I no longer have a link but most of those early vids are gone now anyway.

But will gladly agree to disagree as I am too lazy to look that up for the fiftieth time and post.  I have never thought Joran road the school bus to school that day.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 02:41:11 PM
WTH :shock: Those bottom feeders @ FOB are trying to make a big deal that Jug refused to give a witness statement.
Witness to what?He wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared! :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:42:09 PM
I wonder if the refrigeration truch is for evidence or to provide some sort of air conditioning relief for the workers and dogs, especially the dogs as they cannot function if over heated.  I wonder also if those are Dutch or Aruban dogs.

If they are Dutch, they are not accustomed to the heat.  If they are Aruban, I question their training.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 02:42:45 PM
RENFRO on FOX right now.  She's an idiot  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
RENFRO on FOX right now.  She's an idiot  :lol:


You got that right! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
Quote from: "Anna"
Did anyone else read post by Hannie C stating that Deepak said not only must Freddie tell the truth but they should arrest him and arrest Koen and Sander, too!   :shock:

This was supposedly from the backseat police car tape that was made of the suspects.

I wonder if this is Joran spin only or factual.  It is allegedly in his book that she is reading and sometimes translates snippets thereof.

.



Anna, this is what I was talking about earlier.  I don't remember any of this detail from "the back seat"???



It's certainly new to me, Annie.  That is why I am wondering if Joran just made that up or is it part of the official transcript or where this came from.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 02:44:41 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if the refrigeration truch is for evidence or to provide some sort of air conditioning relief for the workers and dogs, especially the dogs as they cannot function if over heated.  I wonder also if those are Dutch or Aruban dogs.

If they are Dutch, they are not accustomed to the heat.  If they are Aruban, I question their training.   :roll:


in Aruba, they just grab any stray dog running around and call it a cadaver dog


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
From BFN:

fox is reporting now cadaver dogs....that is much different than earlier when they wouldn't say what kind of dogs.

They are using shovels and poles to dig up around the house.


Can somebody give me the link for the lawsuit docs re: $800K?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1100&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=620

greeneyedlady posted a link to Vivi's documents on the page link above....I believe it's all in there.  Klaasend is in the process of downloading them for SM, I believe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
WTH :shock: Those bottom feeders @ FOB are trying to make a big deal that Jug refused to give a witness statement.
Witness to what?He wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared! :twisted:



Jug gave a statement.  They are just lying.  He even complained that his statement was not taken for something like 19 days and that the statements of others present the first night had never been taken at the time he was complaining and others were not taken and it had been something like 31 days.

They are just lying.  Again.  He is on the record stating that about having finally been allowed to make a statement.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 02:47:56 PM
Renfro was just on Fox news....I didn't catch it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
WTH :shock: Those bottom feeders @ FOB are trying to make a big deal that Jug refused to give a witness statement.
Witness to what?He wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared! :twisted:



Jug gave a statement.  They are just lying.  He even complained that his statement was not taken for something like 19 days and that the statements of others present the first night had never been taken at the time he was complaining and others were not taken and it had been something like 31 days.

They are just lying.  Again.  He is on the record stating that about having finally been allowed to make a statement.

.


Well they say it's on one of the docs-even so they had no reason to question him as a witness-he wasn't even there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 28, 2007, 02:49:25 PM
greeneyedlady posted a link to Vivi's documents on the page link above....I believe it's all in there.  Klaasend is in the process of downloading them for SM, I believe.[/quote]

Thanks!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Hey Rob, maybe Paulus is sweating so bad they needed something to cool him down


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:53:05 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Hey Rob, maybe Paulus is sweating so bad they needed something to cool him down


Hi, Blah!

Missed you!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Hey Rob, maybe Paulus is sweating so bad they needed something to cool him down


Blah, JMO- but we have reached the CRITICAL PHASE you have heard about before.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
WTH :shock: Those bottom feeders @ FOB are trying to make a big deal that Jug refused to give a witness statement.
Witness to what?He wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared! :twisted:



Jug gave a statement.  They are just lying.  He even complained that his statement was not taken for something like 19 days and that the statements of others present the first night had never been taken at the time he was complaining and others were not taken and it had been something like 31 days.

They are just lying.  Again.  He is on the record stating that about having finally been allowed to make a statement.

.


Well they say it's on one of the docs-even so they had no reason to question him as a witness-he wasn't even there.


He made an original statement.  Now he might have refused to make multiple, subsequent statements after seeing what a bunch of clowns he was dealing with.

They did not even bother to read the statements taken from the MB students for something like 90 days, the original ones.  Why bother?  I could understand if he didn't want to play games with them.  Who would!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 02:57:13 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Hey Rob, maybe Paulus is sweating so bad they needed something to cool him down


Blah, JMO- but we have reached the CRITICAL PHASE you have heard about before.


yeah either that or a publicity stunt for a book that just happened to come out

Hiya Anna !!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
I don't know if this is appropriate, but if Natalee is on the premises, the heat and over all sand base of Aruba would prevent the total decay of a body. She would be mummified and there would be a ton of evidence on her person. Especially if she is wrapped in any kind of plastic.

Sorry if that struck anyone the wrong way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
If you have a acct at BFN. Jane and Atticus have the Latest Legal Documents.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6844.msg220438;topicseen#new



*******,
I have an account there as well but it says Username invalid.  Did you have to re-register after the last time they were down?

.


Anna they sent me a link-I'll see if I still have it.


The link at BFN to the documents no longer work.  I'll go through the one file I did download and try to copy some of the good pages.  There are alot of them though.  171 pages  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 02:58:08 PM
I should have added to that post, that is all based on the fact that she is there and only my opinion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway


******* ... could you please provide the name of the file regarding the statements of the the Aruban police implying there are declaration where the three admitted having sex with Natalee.

Thank you

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=mcgraw.kalpoe.docs&templatefn=FileSharing1.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.1.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

Klaas try this..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 02:59:57 PM
Did they just say of FOX they are digging in the back yard of the Kalpoes?  Did I hear that right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 03:01:05 PM
Thanks *******


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: blah on April 28, 2007, 03:01:15 PM
FOX now....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 03:01:27 PM
On FOX now


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:02:15 PM
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:02:50 PM
this case will become TEXTBOOK for when a murder - rape happens


RULE NUMBER 1

when SUSPECTS continuously CHANGE their STORIES

not much need to look for more suspects

you got

now, go get em  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: "robots"
this case will become TEXTBOOK for when a murder - rape happens


RULE NUMBER 1

when SUSPECTS continuously CHANGE their STORIES

not much need to look for more suspects

you got

now, go get em  8)


Robots is sooooo logical and soooo right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
On FOX now


Caught the end of braodcast, but heard no mention of Kalpoes. Did anyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 03:04:42 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "*******"
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway


******* ... could you please provide the name of the file regarding the statements of the the Aruban police implying there are declaration where the three admitted having sex with Natalee.

Thank you

Janet


Try this..  Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel Discovery from Satish Kalpoe.PDF

I am mutitaskin huge right now with the NFL draft..I think it says they beleave the documents exist..Dont have time to read all that at the moment..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
On FOX now


Caught the end of braodcast, but heard no mention of Kalpoes. Did anyone?


I had the Steelers draft pick on.. sorry I missed it BB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
On FOX now


Caught the end of braodcast, but heard no mention of Kalpoes. Did anyone?



not watching TV

sorrry  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
On FOX now


Caught the end of braodcast, but heard no mention of Kalpoes. Did anyone?

They must have mispoken.  Nothing new in the actual report.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "robots"
this case will become TEXTBOOK for when a murder - rape happens


RULE NUMBER 1

when SUSPECTS continuously CHANGE their STORIES

not much need to look for more suspects

you got

now, go get em  8)


Robots is sooooo logical and soooo right!


 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "klaasend"
On FOX now


Caught the end of braodcast, but heard no mention of Kalpoes. Did anyone?

They must have mispoken.  Nothing new in the actual report.


Klaas, looks to me that they will be doing an update at least once per hour until it gets dark. They have been running them all day. That's a good thing. We should not have to wait too long to get another one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 03:12:33 PM
I bet when Joran appeared on Dutch TV the other day to promote his book that those investigators now searching the sloot property watched with great interest.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 03:13:15 PM
Working over a holiday weekend does not sound like just wrapping things up to close a case or clear suspects to me.

JMO.

Rob the fridge truck may be to provide air conditioning for the dogs.

If they over heat, pant too much, interferes with abilities.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 03:17:04 PM
We do not have the ability to measure a dog's sense of smell but has been estimated in some instances that some can detect one molicule in a million.  Some snouts, if laid out flat like a piece of cloth, would be a yard square so many little nasal cavitites for smelling do they have.

But if they are too hot and over heat, they are trying to cool down by losing fluids through panting and soles of their feet, like sweating and the scent would be going the wrong way for them to smell as the moisture would be outbound and not inbound.

Makes no sense but I know what I mean.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 03:17:42 PM
Some of the FOX reports today translated by Heli at RU:

FNC April 28/07 Miscellaneous Reports TRANSCRIPT

FNC April 28, 2007 14:30 EST
Jamie Colby

From DVD Recording

** I don't know how much of this interview I missed; I believe
the first few minutes only

Colby:

... that when they searched the car that the Kalpoe brothers and Joran were in with Natalee Holloway, this we know: they never went in there and did the types of forensics that this team is equipped to do.

Now they go back to the house with a much more extensive search warrant; how much longer do you think they're going to be looking and is there any word there that Joran is in town, is he in Aruba?

Julia Renfro:

No, Joran is not on the island, he's in Holland right now and the local authorities did tell us they were planning to speak to him. It doesn't mean an arrest, but it does mean they would ask him in for another interview. And this will probably be at the end of this current search

Colby:

What's the headline in your paper today on this story?

Julia Renfro:

That the Dutch authorities are here searching the van der Sloot home

Colby:

And it's a very different search. Do you think they'll go to the Kalpoe home as well or have they really zeroed in on the van der Sloot home?

Julia Renfro:

Based on the investigation that they've been doing over the last 5 months going through different statements, according to the Prosecutor's office here, they are suspicious about the van der Sloot home and this search could end up with two results. One, they could actually find something or two, this could exonerate the idea that Natalee Holloway was ever present at that home because presently all three boys are consistent in saying that although they drove to the home, she never got out of the car.

Colby:

We played some sound and I heard Mark Fuhrman say that often these searches so much later can be to exonerate or implicate, we don't know yet, but obviously Paul van der Sloot not talking much, must be a little nervous having them in his backyard.

Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.

Colby:

Okay Julia, please keep us posted. That new video in of Paulus van der Sloot at the home. The search continuing for a second day at the van der Sloot home. Thank you very much Julia.



****************

Trace Gallagher 15:00 EST

Trace Gallagher FNC 15:00 EST

From DVD recording

Gallagher:

It's nearly 2 years since Natalee Holloway went missing. Breaking right now is there is new information on the investigation into the disappearance of the Alabama teenager. Authorities once against conducting a search at the van der Sloot home.

You remember Joran van der Sloot, the last person known to have seen Natalee before she disappeared. The young man who was once jailed along with his father in connection with the Holloway case. Well now, there's something that's got the cops back on the hunt.

From Studio B to Orlando Salinas reporting to us live today from Palm Beach, Aruba. Orlando?

Orlando Salinas:

Trace, we were at the home of father Paul van der Sloot early this morning before we did our first live shot. The home where van der Sloot lives right now, it hasn't changed much at all in the past two years since the time Natalee Holloway went missing but in the last 24 hours Dutch investigators, some 20 of them I'm told, forensic experts from The Netherlands Forensic Institute, they brought in dogs, wouldn't tell us exactly what kinds of dogs, whether they were drug sniffing dogs or cadaver sogs, but these experts were digging and it looks like they were measuring at least one spot that we saw out in the yard. They began around 10 a.m. yesterday morning and stopped around 5 pm. They began again early this morning.

I want to show you some pictures that were shot yesterday by FNC producer Tim Siffis (sic). Those Dutch forensic experts took several boxes and items from van der Sloot's home. We saw Paul van der Sloot early this morning and also late last night.

Next month on May 30 it will be two years since Natalee disappeared in Aruba and the main suspect, now 19 year old Joran van der Sloot according to authorities has changed his story 3 times, changed facts at least 25 times, remains free and has been attending college in Holland. This upcoming 2 year mark is very important in Aruban law. If a criminal case is not brought before the Court within 2 years, a suspect cannot officially continue to be a suspect and the case does wither away. So as it stands right now Trace, those Dutch investigators have been out at the van der Sloot home since early this morning.

We don't know what they found, they're not telling us anything yet.

Trace:

Thank you Orlando


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Rob
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: wreck on April 28, 2007, 03:21:13 PM
Well, these are the kind of "events" in this case that really pull me back into posting again. I have been reading mostly the front page all along -- but with a very hectic schedule, I have just been monitoring the situation from afar. Thanks to all the "regulars" here, this case has remained "hot" enough to FORCE The Netherlands/Aruba to act. Without everyone of you -- this case would have died in the first couple of months. It's great to see so many of you are still here and fighting for Natalee!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "*******"
I'M reading those files at BFN..Says they have documents proving that the Kalpoes admitted having sex with Natalee..

Declarations to Aruban police stating they had sex with Ms.Holloway thereby refuting most of there case

Electronic communications(Emails and IM)to third parties inclusing van der sloot admitting they had sex with ms.holloway


******* ... could you please provide the name of the file regarding the statements of the the Aruban police implying there are declaration where the three admitted having sex with Natalee.

Thank you

Janet


Try this..  Memorandum in Support of Motion to Compel Discovery from Satish Kalpoe.PDF

I am mutitaskin huge right now with the NFL draft..I think it says they beleave the documents exist..Dont have time to read all that at the moment..


Thanks *******.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:21:49 PM
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 03:22:40 PM
Hi, Wreck!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


Tough sh*t,huh? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:24:23 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "robots"
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


Tough sh*t,huh? :D




yep

what a wench


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


EXACTLY!!

Imagine!  This family sent their daughter to an island that claimed to be safe and have a low crime rate and they never laid eyes on her again.  Just imagine THAT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: casa on April 28, 2007, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


EXACTLY!!

Imagine!  This family sent their daughter to an island that claimed to be safe and have a low crime rate and they never laid eyes on her again.  Just imagine THAT!



So right, Anna!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
they just said another update coming up on Fox.  (not sure how immediately)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Rob on April 28, 2007, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

Rob the fridge truck may be to provide air conditioning for the dogs.

.


Good Answer.. ohh the life of a dog.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 03:38:53 PM
Fox will be doing this all day. For the ratings. Greta made lots of money offa this didn't she before she married Joran.
This search seems to have caught everyone on Aruba, you know our favorite ppl like Julia the Hag, Medley who must be in the Bag half of the time and those shrieking harpies  " The answer lies in MB " over at RU and FOB. by surprise.
..
Vicki and I believe Richard are at the Miami Travel Show today. I did get an email from Richard today, will check again later for updates on that.
..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 28, 2007, 03:39:04 PM
Perhaps the refrigerator-type truck is there just to preserve evidence of any kind.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Julia Renfro:

I think it's quite upsetting for the whole van der Sloot family. Imagine these kids went to school and Paul went to work and while they were gone for a normal day, these investigators came in with a search warrant and have been there ever since.



SHUT UP

imagine how Natalees family has felt for 2 years you IGNORANT WENCH

the PRIME SUSPECT continues to LIE

SHUT UP


Exactly.......it could have been much worse. I think the investigators were as tactful as possible. They let everyone go about their day, then began the search. ALE did not give the 2 security guards that type of consideration. They busted in in the early morning hours and scared the life out of whomever was home. Now the Dutch Team continues their search on saturday.....so paulus can't sue them for lost wages. :twisted:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 03:42:51 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Fox will be doing this all day. For the ratings. Greta made lots of money offa this didn't she before she married Joran.
This search seems to have caught everyone on Aruba, you know our favorite ppl like Julia the Hag, Medley who must be in the Bag half of the time and those shrieking harpies  " The answer lies in MB " over at RU and FOB. by surprise.
..
Vicki and I believe Richard are at the Miami Travel Show today. I did get an email from Richard today, will check again later for updates on that.
..


Richard isnt at the show But Vicki called in when they first got there and it was a bad connection....All is well..People are aknowledgeing them..They thought they saw a news truck that was turning around when the call ended. She will give a update at the end of the day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on April 28, 2007, 03:43:18 PM
I agree with Robots.

How about focusing on how NATALEE's family feels?



ontherecord@foxnews.com

Drop Greta a line. I plan to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 03:43:33 PM
AN ANGUISHED STEPFATHER


Jug Twitty
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html
July 19, 2005

TWITTY: ... there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone ...

And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable. But you know what? They didn't take my statement until 30 days later, and I sat there and talked to the man for two hours, and his son. And they didn't take any of the statements from the people that were there. I probably had seven people in my so-called search party that night that we hit the ground, and it took them 19 days to take their statements.


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country' for August 11
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: I think, Joe, they need to go back to the beginning and question the people that were with me that night....

... Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: "Tiger"
Hey Monkeys,I just cut the yard.

Just finished mine too Tiger -- finally.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: wreck on April 28, 2007, 03:49:01 PM
So -- we heard from Julia today, huh?? What ever happened to our old buddy Steve Cohen?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Was it the Skeeter tapes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Was it the Skeeter tapes?


No not the skeeters tape.. I beleave it was through Interrogations..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 28, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

Julia Renfro:
 
All three boys are consistent in saying that although they drove to the home, she never got out of the car.

Renfro / Glenda CANNOT stop lying. Unbelievable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Fox news just reported Refridgerater Truck outside of sloot home. They are focusing on one particular area


 :shock:

this is very very odd...if it has to do if the search. Unless they are planning to remove Natalee and wish to deter any further degradation.


Hey Rob, maybe Paulus is sweating so bad they needed something to cool him down

LOL!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Julia Renfro:
 
All three boys are consistent in saying that although they drove to the home, she never got out of the car.

Renfro / Glenda CANNOT stop lying. Unbelievable.


she is a LIAR

where did she fall ??

  WENCH-ASUARUS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 03:54:01 PM
Steve Cohen went missing. Klaasend had him on a Milk Carton, but no one turned him in.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Steve Cohen went missing. Klaasend had him on a Milk Carton, but no one turned him in.


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 03:59:25 PM
This is from the 171 response to the Dr. Phil motion to compel.  I'm not going to be able to copy the interresting part where it talks about all the documents Dr. Phil was asking for.....just way too many pages.  I'll try to find a way to link the PDF file though.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CompelDocpg44.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 28, 2007, 04:00:26 PM
Legal docs interesting. Quite a few PVs from Pops Kalpoe. No wonder Nadira did all the talking.

And that 6/13 Joran/Freddy face-to-face PV. Bet that was entertaining.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 04:00:35 PM
Is Orlando Salinus a Fox regular, or is he an Aruban...excuse my ingnorance if this seems a silly question.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Was it the Skeeter tapes?



Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I will not quote for obvious reasons.

Janet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 04:03:35 PM
Just dropping for info...a refrigerator truck?  Really?  The backyard?  Really?   Are you guys serious?  Is that really happening?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 28, 2007, 04:04:02 PM
On the teaser for the case coverage on Fox, they just said the investigators have been digging with shovels today. Did we know that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 28, 2007, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
This is from the 171 response to the Dr. Phil motion to compel.  I'm not going to be able to copy the interresting part where it talks about all the documents Dr. Phil was asking for.....just way too many pages.  I'll try to find a way to link the PDF file though.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CompelDocpg44.jpg)

Yea, and Dr. Phil is calling BS on this. He requested the NFI report from Deepak and all that was provided was this press release.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Is Orlando Salinus a Fox regular, or is he an Aruban...excuse my ingnorance if this seems a silly question.


Nevermind....I'm enlightened...found my own answer!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1231,00.html

Was wondering when he arrived in Aruba to report on the search....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2007, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Was it the Skeeter tapes?


No not the skeeters tape.. I beleave it was through Interrogations..



JORAN’S STATEMENT
June 9, 2005

“To your question as to what panty Natalee was wearing, I answer you the following. Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers.”


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Just dropping for info...a refrigerator truck?  Really?  The backyard?  Really?   Are you guys serious?  Is that really happening?


That is what they are reporting Lala.  waiting for additional video and updates.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Janet, you have that statement I believe. At least I thought you did and the other one where they all claim to have seen Natalee with no clothes on. Am I incorrect?[/quote]

Yes?

Rob ... I have never read anything pertaining to what you are referring to.

Janet


Sorry, I have read it somewhere too. They all claim to have seen Natalee was no clothes on and they all claim sex.


Yes..They described her lack of pubic hair and underwear..


Was it the Skeeter tapes?


No not the skeeters tape.. I beleave it was through Interrogations..



JORAN’S STATEMENT
June 9, 2005

“To your question as to what panty Natalee was wearing, I answer you the following. Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers.”


Yeah and tell me how Joran saw these and described them to a T being on a dark beach-NO WAY :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Julia Renfro:
 
All three boys are consistent in saying that although they drove to the home, she never got out of the car.

Renfro / Glenda CANNOT stop lying. Unbelievable.


Not true, the Kalpoes say they stayed by the car while Joran and Natalee went inside. Joran says no one left the car while it was parked in his driveway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:18:38 PM
What about Anita describing Natalee's panties?  How would she know?  Did she something?  Or is it from her spawn of the devil son talking to her about them.  And why would/should she discuss Natalee's panties in the media?  Sick, sick, sick.  From one mother to another, I find her totally disgusting.  I would like to see her brought in and questioned.  She knows things and I'll bet she's seen some things...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "klaasend"

Julia Renfro:
 
All three boys are consistent in saying that although they drove to the home, she never got out of the car.

Renfro / Glenda CANNOT stop lying. Unbelievable.


Not true, the Kalpoes say they stayed by the car while Joran and Natalee went inside. Joran says no one left the car while it was parked in his driveway.

And we should believe this statement from Joran because....?  If he says no one left the car, you can about guess everyone left the car!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ozziesmom on April 28, 2007, 04:20:10 PM
Hi Monkeys, just dropping by to say hello and send my best wishes to all of you!! I hope this search turns something up!! Natalee's family needs a break!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: "ozziesmom"
Hi Monkeys, just dropping by to say hello and send my best wishes to all of you!! I hope this search turns something up!! Natalee's family needs a break!!


Hey there ozziesmom!  Long time no see :D  :D Wouldn't  it be great if there can be justice for Natalee just around the corner?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:22:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


tank you Klass  8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 04:22:58 PM
We also have confirmation of the conversation (though not disclosed) from Greta when she and Beth were at the Sloot house.  The one where Paulus sweats.  Greta remarked later that there were things said in that conversation, per Anita, that made her uncomfortable.  Does anyone remember that one?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


tank you Klass  8)  :wink:

Nothing so far except they may have interviewed Paulus via phone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
WTH :shock: Those bottom feeders @ FOB are trying to make a big deal that Jug refused to give a witness statement.
Witness to what?He wasn't on Aruba when Natalee disappeared! :twisted:


The devil makes them lie like that.  The bottom feeders at FOB are indeed worshipers of Satan and we have seen Satan and we know Satan has a big head, big feet, cannot keep up with his shoes, but you know there is a segment of the population like depraved women and criminal lawyers who love the Satanic types.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


tank you Klass  8)  :wink:

Nothing so far except they may have interviewed Paulus via phone.


Per ABARTH at RU:

PVDS says on Nova...

He said it was the 4th search of the house and that the detectives were reading copies of Joran's book


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:23:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


tank you Klass  8)  :wink:

Nothing so far except they may have interviewed Paulus via phone.



hopefully it was the phone call he had to make from JAIL  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 04:25:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


Klaas,  what is NOVA?? Dutch TV??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if the refrigeration truch is for evidence or to provide some sort of air conditioning relief for the workers and dogs, especially the dogs as they cannot function if over heated.  I wonder also if those are Dutch or Aruban dogs.

If they are Dutch, they are not accustomed to the heat.  If they are Aruban, I question their training.   :roll:


You mean they have not killed all the dogs in Aruba as a warning to those who might testify against Anita's sporter.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: ozziesmom on April 28, 2007, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "ozziesmom"
Hi Monkeys, just dropping by to say hello and send my best wishes to all of you!! I hope this search turns something up!! Natalee's family needs a break!!


Hey there ozziesmom!  Long time no see :D  :D Wouldn't  it be great if there can be justice for Natalee just around the corner?




Hi Muffy!!! I've been out of the loop lately, however I read the front page everyday!!

I hope this is SOMETHING, but I'm used to being let down.... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
What about Anita describing Natalee's panties?  How would she know?  Did she something?  Or is it from her spawn of the devil son talking to her about them.  And why would/should she discuss Natalee's panties in the media?  Sick, sick, sick.  From one mother to another, I find her totally disgusting.  I would like to see her brought in and questioned.  She knows things and I'll bet she's seen some things...


Personally, I think for some reason it was important to the investigators
to find out what color the panties were and with the three suspects being
exposed as liars, she thought she would put her "good" reputation on the
line and lie for them.

I don't think her panyties were dark blue... never did and never will.

Was Beth ever able to find out what color they were?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: "ozziesmom"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "ozziesmom"
Hi Monkeys, just dropping by to say hello and send my best wishes to all of you!! I hope this search turns something up!! Natalee's family needs a break!!


Hey there ozziesmom!  Long time no see :D  :D Wouldn't  it be great if there can be justice for Natalee just around the corner?




Hi Muffy!!! I've been out of the loop lately, however I read the front page everyday!!

I hope this is SOMETHING, but I'm used to being let down.... :(



you WONT be let down  this time

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:28:32 PM
Posted by Tjeerd at FOB - looks like they have finished searching the VDS according to this Dutch publication:

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957

Babelfish translation (I'll watch for a complete English translation)


Searching struck at parents Joran 28 April 2007, 22.09 (place your response)

 ORANJESTAD (DUTCH PRESS AGENCY) - justice in Aruba has wound up searching at the beginning of the Saturday afternoon (local time) in the parental house of Joran of of the ditch, which is verdachte in the matter holloway. That has communicated the Public Prosecution Service of Aruba. Forensically technical experts the Netherlands had selected North since Friday in the house in arubaanse district to possible tracks on the plot. With shovels and metal needle also the garden in the direct surroundings of the house has been partly ploughed. The of it present American journalists among others fox and CBS, spoke suspecting from which the body of the vermiste would be American find teenager in the garden. That has been based according to the nieuwszenders on the anonymous deposition of a man who would know where Holloway have been buried. Two years According to justice in Aruba no ' material surplus ' has been niettemin found during searching. Further information does not want give Public Prosecution Service it further. The searching in Aruba had do nothing with recent appeared book of Joran of of the ditch and had been for a long time planned by justice. Meanwhile Aruba has been opgescheept already almost two years with the matter holloway. 18 person whose birthday it is American little girl disappeared after an evening gets in on 30 May 2005 with three boys the night. She was retrieved never more afterwards. The police force had arrested ten people since disappearance, but that has been all released. Also of of the ditch is free, although he remains, however, verdachte.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:28:57 PM
tjeerd @ FOB:

Search has ended.

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Looks like NOVA is covering the search right now.  I'll watch for translations of the show.


Klaas,  what is NOVA?? Dutch TV??

Yes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I have a Guido/Marco question...how could they have changed his name in the book so quickly and then have it readily printed and available on such short notice?  That name change would have been made early on.  Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here?


Yes, I do.  This name game was a blame game and shell game.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:29:43 PM
Klaas- :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Klaas- :lol:  :lol:

lalalalalala

I beat you this time, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:31:47 PM
Another link according to Tjeerd that the search is over:

http://tinyurl.com/2r7nnq


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 04:32:19 PM
That has been based according to the nieuwszenders on the anonymous deposition of a man who would know where Holloway have been buried.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
Been doing some catching up this morning. Just finished reviewing the transcript from Greta's show last night. It was said, no forensics were done with the initial search of Joran's apartment or with the impounded cars: not even luminol. The searches were for specific items in full view: shoes, computers, clothes.


Joe T said that and it may be true, but I'm not convinced just because he said it.


I think Josephine Tacobell is trying to put a good face on this and pretend that it is not about Joran and Paulus killing Natalee, thinking perhaps this is going to clear them.  It might, it might not.  It might be too late to prove they killed Natalee, but my heart knows it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
4th search?  I don't know anything about 4 searches, but I guarantee you they will find almost nothing of any value.  Paulus has had two years to renovate that house and redo the yard...or just do the yard for that matter.  I only know about the first search and this one.  

I bet they are reading Joran's book...I can help them with that one.  Let's see.  Why don't you start with Joran on the beach with Natalee for 3 hours.  That would put the sporter home after 4 in the morning.  We know that can't be true...Joran told Greta that he arrived home around 3:25 AM and 3:35 AM. But then again, he did say he didn't have a watch...just in case he was to forget his first lie and need a new one.  

Now, let's move on...there appears to a witness that places Joran and Paulus out and about at 4 AM. So where was Natalee?  Why did Joran say Deepak came back to pick him up?  Why does he now say it was Satish?  Why did he ever claim he walked on foot back home?  

THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO HAUL HIS BIG A$$ BACK IN FOR INTERROGATIONS!!

I have more where that came from too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "jill"
is this MF guy at FOB a Joran-supporter?


YES

Edited to add:  But he is also in Aruba and we think may be a reporter


I know MF could be a reporter,but hasn't he said he owns a resturant also?


I think they are into restaurants, newspapers and scuba diving.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 28, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I have more where that came from too.

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
That has been based according to the nieuwszenders on the anonymous deposition of a man who would know where Holloway have been buried.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Freddy has to tell the truth.   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by MF at FOB:

Update: The area around the V/d Sloot's home is still off limit with police tapes and there is still heavy presence of investigators at the house. They worked for over 8 hours yesterday and continued today. Information coming from the Netherlands is that they are doing this search which is still permitted, while the status as suspect on Joran v/d Sloot is valid. After that it would be almost impossible to still check things out that they might think is necessary to investigate further. Up to now, nothing new has been found.

Ok, help me again here, how is it MF knows they didn't find anything. How is he privy to all the information the investigators have?  What's his connection to the KLPD


I will bet MF could get a job with Greta or CNN.

All MF knows is that nobody had been told if anything has been found.  MF would not know.   He knows they are still searching because anyone can see that if they are in Aruba.

Ok, so he's just speculating, or better yet, wishful thinking.


Yep - he only posts what he wants people to know and it's always slanted.  However, since he is in Aruba he can report that they are still searching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 04:39:28 PM
When was the concrete work done?  June of 2005?

I think that Paulus was cocky enough at the time when ALE were,
literally eating out of his hand, to think that pouring concrete over
the area in which evidence was buried would have been enough to
keep anything from happening to it.  It wouldn't go anywhere.

However, he never thought about the possibility that there would
be a mother that wouldn't give up along with a group of monkeys
that would keep this case alive for two years and beyond!!!

They will find SOMETHING there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I was on a diet until yesterday. Then I had to eat the CHOCKY !

You can thank LilPuma for that, she was the one who brought up CHOCKI.


I get blamed for many things that I didn't do, but I'm not going down on Chocki charges.  Yes, I brought it up because van Houten of the Ditch made Chocki affordable for the masses.  I'm one of the masses and am eternally grateful.  Chocki is like air and water.  There is no life without it.  You may have to reduce the quantity in hard economic times or if you have to watch your weight or sugar intake, but it is essential to life.  This could be why we haven't yet discovered life on Mars.  Chocki would melt there.   :lol:

But you were the one who brought up Chocki yesterday, no?  :D
I'm mention again that it was a Dutchman who found a way to press the cocoa nut and make chocolate affordable and available to the masses. Before that, it was so expensive to process that only Royalty could afford it. Yes, folks, we owe the Dutch for CHOCKI


Well I sure thank the Dutch for that-don't think I could live without chocki :lol:

Me either GEL, in fact if I don't get it on a regular basis I get grouchy. (Boy this sounds bad doesn't it LOL).


Indy Dan, I hate to do this to you, but tests have proven over and over again that it is one of the best treatments for PMS that exists. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:40:36 PM
Posted by Aristotle at BFN:

Birmingham local news reporter is showing that the area presently being searched is the area between the pool shed and the 1/2 wall that runs along the pool. They are taking pictures and measurements. The area is to the right of the overhead shot, just under those yellow windowlike cutouts in the shed.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SearchArea.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "jill"
is this MF guy at FOB a Joran-supporter?


YES

Edited to add:  But he is also in Aruba and we think may be a reporter


I know MF could be a reporter,but hasn't he said he owns a resturant also?


I think they are into restaurants, newspapers and scuba diving.


Thought I read where he posted that and also think he's one of the ones saying Beth&Co went off and lsft owing a big tab.Just liars,the whole lot of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Aristotle at BFN on Today at 03:23:24 PM

Birmingham local news reporter is showing that the area presently being searched is the area between the pool shed and the 1/2 wall that runs along the pool.  They are taking pictures and measurements. The area is to the right of the overhead shot, just under those yellow windowlike cutouts in the shed.  The other pic is courtesy of BB.


[/img]http://i12.tinypic.com/2z7gco1.jpg(http://)http://i17.tinypic.com/2urv02g.jpg[/img][/img]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:43:18 PM
Fox News Article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269036,00.html

Dated Saturday, April 28th


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 04:43:20 PM
Ahh you beat me too it klaas :) I need to figure out how to post pics..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Ahh you beat me too it klaas :) I need to figure out how to post pics..lol


me too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Ahh you beat me too it klaas :) I need to figure out how to post pics..lol

Tinypics don't work with the IMG tags.  You have to use the full URL  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Ahh you beat me too it klaas :) I need to figure out how to post pics..lol


me too


me three


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 04:45:27 PM
I don't believe they could have gotten a search warrant for the Sloot home and grounds based on "anonomous deposition". They just aren't revealing their source. This whole thing of a forensic search of the sloot home two years after the time it was needed is a poor substitute for a proper investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "*******"
Ahh you beat me too it klaas :) I need to figure out how to post pics..lol


me too


We need a course on how to post pics.  Of course, I would need to be in the class that gets extra help-remedial picture posting 101 :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 04:47:29 PM
Tjeerd is reporting again - from Dutch news that the search has ended:

Search has ended. No body found.

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article420553.ece/Huiszoeking_bij_ouders_Joran_gestaakt


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tylergal on April 28, 2007, 04:47:34 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
The Kalpoes seek to have the case heard in the US and are using Aruban Law to not produce documents. The US court has ordered them to produce these docs. HA They are in a catch 22.
If they produce these documents, and Dr. Phil is asking for documents from a former Kalpoe attorney, they look guilty. If they don't goodbye Kalpoes. They are also asking for Joran's statement where Joran says he thinks Deepak raped and murdered Natalee.


Bunchakooks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:48:36 PM
Here is CBS News article on the Dutch Searching-Dated Sat. April 28th:
http://tinyurl.com/27kpsq


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't believe they could have gotten a search warrant for the Sloot home and grounds based on "anonomous deposition". They just aren't revealing their source. This whole thing of a forensic search of the sloot home two years after the time it was needed is a poor substitute for a proper investigation.


That's exactly what I was thinking, too.  They are protecting the person
that rolled...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:49:52 PM
I wonder if this search is to be able to say:  Okay, we looked and didn't find anything.  Case closed :cry:  :cry:   Gosh I hope not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 04:51:10 PM
So another very long day for the dutch forensic team? You would think that would be enough time to find any trace evidence if there is any. Sounds like they have a extremely reliable witness for two a search warrant and two days of long searching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: Aristotle at BFN on Today at 03:23:24 PM

Birmingham local news reporter is showing that the area presently being searched is the area between the pool shed and the 1/2 wall that runs along the pool.  They are taking pictures and measurements. The area is to the right of the overhead shot, just under those yellow windowlike cutouts in the shed.  The other pic is courtesy of BB.


[/img]http://i12.tinypic.com/2z7gco1.jpg(http://)http://i17.tinypic.com/2urv02g.jpg[/img][/img]


So that is right behind Jorans apartment.  correct?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 04:51:19 PM
JR @ FOB-no arrests.


YET! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tjeerd is reporting again - from Dutch news that the search has ended:

Search has ended. No body found.

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article420553.ece/Huiszoeking_bij_ouders_Joran_gestaakt


?????

You mean it's ended for the day, right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: jill on April 28, 2007, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tjeerd is reporting again - from Dutch news that the search has ended:

Search has ended. No body found.

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article420553.ece/Huiszoeking_bij_ouders_Joran_gestaakt


thanks for the update.

 :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 04:55:21 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I wonder if this search is to be able to say:  Okay, we looked and didn't find anything.  Case closed :cry:  :cry:   Gosh I hope not.


I know, I was just thinking the same thing.  Someone encourage me...I am getting upset now.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AZSunny on April 28, 2007, 04:56:39 PM
Why would they take exact measurements and take photograhs if the area did not have anything of interest?  

Where did the supposed 8 backs of "evidence" come from?  was that from inside or outside the residence?  

I wonder if they are just done for the day?  It is 5PM there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I wonder if this search is to be able to say:  Okay, we looked and didn't find anything.  Case closed :cry:  :cry:   Gosh I hope not.


I know, I was just thinking the same thing.  Someone encourage me...I am getting upset now.  :cry:



no worries

robots is here 8)

they got em

all you need to know is

CROWN WITNESS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I wonder if this search is to be able to say:  Okay, we looked and didn't find anything.  Case closed :cry:  :cry:   Gosh I hope not.


I know, I was just thinking the same thing.  Someone encourage me...I am getting upset now.  :cry:


Okay.  Remember though, that if the case closes, the Holloway & Twitty families get access to records, right?  It will NEVER be over for them...

I just get worried because I have a hard time trusting after all that craziness that has gone on with the investigation.  Didn't mean to bum anyone out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 04:58:24 PM
i feel even more delicious today then i did yesterday

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I wonder if this search is to be able to say:  Okay, we looked and didn't find anything.  Case closed :cry:  :cry:   Gosh I hope not.


I know, I was just thinking the same thing.  Someone encourage me...I am getting upset now.  :cry:



no worries

robots is here 8)

they got em

all you need to know is

CROWN WITNESS


What a good, kind robots.  Thank you for the assurance.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:00:45 PM
i have ZERO faith in ALE

i have faith in the Dutch

they were NOT going to put on any more DOG and PONY shows


this case is over

they collected evidence

they have a crown witness

its over

now, they need a little time to put it all together so dont panic

the TRAIN is HERE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:01:31 PM
all ABOARD

 the SLOOT TRAIN


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Why would they take exact measurements and take photograhs if the area did not have anything of interest?  

Where did the supposed 8 backs of "evidence" come from?  was that from inside or outside the residence?  

I wonder if they are just done for the day?  It is 5PM there.


They're just done for the day... they'll be back tomorrow.

I didn't realize that the Sloot property was so big... it may take a week
or two to search it.

LaLa's:

This is what we have asked the Dutch to do.  They aren't going to go home until something is done one way or the other.  Besides, we always say how anyone could figure out what happened in Aruba... I think they did and all they are doing now is gathering evidence to proove it.

Keep the faith...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 05:02:17 PM
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...


ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "AZSunny"
Why would they take exact measurements and take photograhs if the area did not have anything of interest?  

Where did the supposed 8 backs of "evidence" come from?  was that from inside or outside the residence?  

I wonder if they are just done for the day?  It is 5PM there.


They're just done for the day... they'll be back tomorrow.

I didn't realize that the Sloot property was so big... it may take a week
or two to search it.

LaLa's:

This is what we have asked the Dutch to do.  They aren't going to go home until something is done one way or the other.  Besides, we always say how anyone could figure out what happened in Aruba... I think they did and all they are doing now is gathering evidence to proove it.

Keep the faith...



INSTANT WINNER  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...


ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!






me too
then on to the next case  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:05:15 PM
off topic for just a moment

i have been called  

robot

robert

roberts

and i laughed everytime someone wrote my name wrong and i just let it go...but i still laughed  


just thought it was funny  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
4th search?  I don't know anything about 4 searches, but I guarantee you they will find almost nothing of any value.  Paulus has had two years to renovate that house and redo the yard...or just do the yard for that matter.  I only know about the first search and this one.  

I bet they are reading Joran's book...I can help them with that one.  Let's see.  Why don't you start with Joran on the beach with Natalee for 3 hours.  That would put the sporter home after 4 in the morning.  We know that can't be true...Joran told Greta that he arrived home around 3:25 AM and 3:35 AM. But then again, he did say he didn't have a watch...just in case he was to forget his first lie and need a new one.  

Now, let's move on...there appears to a witness that places Joran and Paulus out and about at 4 AM. So where was Natalee?  Why did Joran say Deepak came back to pick him up?  Why does he now say it was Satish?  Why did he ever claim he walked on foot back home?  
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO HAUL HIS BIG A$$ BACK IN FOR INTERROGATIONS!!

I have more where that came from too.


Someone saw Joran out and about that night and he wants to involved one of the Kalpoes.  He is trying to get Paulus off the hook by saying Satish picked him up.  He doesn't want Paulus to get in any more trouble then he is.  From day one the whole world knew it was the 3 suspects that Natalee was with because they had witnesses that saw them together.  The only people who in fact can name the people involved are the Kalpoes.  I would say from what we know now there are 10 prime suspects in what happened to Natalee.  Deepak just confirmed Koen and Sander's involvement.  Why would he feel the need to name them if they were involved after the fact (disposal).  You would think he would be grateful they the helped.  Sander's missing phone is key.  He is a rapist like his cousin Joran.  When Joran got out of jail Sander was holding a sign up and cheering for him.  Sort of like thank you Joran for not ratting on me.

Joran never walked home because he didn't have to he was already there.  He rather say he was alone than say he was with his father.   The story would look better for Joran if one of the Kalpoes picked him up so that's why he keeps involving them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...


ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!






me too
then on to the next case  8)


Robots:

If you don't mind me asking....

Who do you think is the Crown witness?

I have my own suspicions, and am just wondering who you think it is...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
4th search?  I don't know anything about 4 searches, but I guarantee you they will find almost nothing of any value.  Paulus has had two years to renovate that house and redo the yard...or just do the yard for that matter.  I only know about the first search and this one.  

I bet they are reading Joran's book...I can help them with that one.  Let's see.  Why don't you start with Joran on the beach with Natalee for 3 hours.  That would put the sporter home after 4 in the morning.  We know that can't be true...Joran told Greta that he arrived home around 3:25 AM and 3:35 AM. But then again, he did say he didn't have a watch...just in case he was to forget his first lie and need a new one.  

Now, let's move on...there appears to a witness that places Joran and Paulus out and about at 4 AM. So where was Natalee?  Why did Joran say Deepak came back to pick him up?  Why does he now say it was Satish?  Why did he ever claim he walked on foot back home?  
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO HAUL HIS BIG A$$ BACK IN FOR INTERROGATIONS!!

I have more where that came from too.


Someone saw Joran out and about that night and he wants to involved one of the Kalpoes.  He is trying to get Paulus off the hook by saying Satish picked him up.  He doesn't want Paulus to get in any more trouble then he is.  From day one the whole world knew it was the 3 suspects that Natalee was with because they had witnesses that saw them together.  The only people who in fact can name the people involved are the Kalpoes.  I would say from what we know now there are 10 prime suspects in what happened to Natalee.  Deepak just confirmed Koen and Sander's involvement.  Why would he feel the need to name them if they were involved after the fact (disposal).  You would think he would be grateful they the helped.  Sander's missing phone is key.  He is a rapist like his cousin Joran.  When Joran got out of jail Sander was holding a sign up and cheering for him.  Sort of like thank you Joran for not ratting on me.

Joran never walked home because he didn't have to he was already there.  He rather say he was alone than say he was with his father.   The story would look better for Joran if one of the Kalpoes picked him up so that's why he keeps involving them.


right on TARGET  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:10:38 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:10:48 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...


ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!






me too
then on to the next case  8)


Robots:

If you don't mind me asking....

Who do you think is the Crown witness?

I have my own suspicions, and am just wondering who you think it is...


k2

not sure which one, probably both

course im not betting the farm on who it is

BUT  they have somone  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
who do you think ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 05:13:41 PM
I sent my company shopping, lol, but they will be back.

I think Joran changed from Deepak to Satish as his pick up man because Deepak was on the computer.  OOPS!  Better make it the one without the alibi.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 05:14:17 PM
Just an observation from watching Greta last night:
When she mentioned that she felt they should have done more in looking for "other" suspects.  I started to laugh.  Reason being that if a local, such as, Boeti, wouldn't her body have just been dumped somewhere to be found later?  The local druggies don't give a rat's patootie about hiding a body.  

Note to Greta:  It wasn't an "other" person that disposed of Natalee.  It was Joran and Daddy-O.  I know Joran is a sick person, but I think had there not been that "chit" they will see, he would have placed her on the beach in hopes that she would wake up and stumble back to the hotel. He would have had to answer some questions, but there would be a body with a blood alcohol that was very high and may have been an overdose to contend with, but that would have been the end.  She would be home now with a grieving family...but she would have come home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:15:19 PM
Posted by Robert on the front page of SM:

The NOVA-newsshow unfortunatly doesn’t re-air tonight or the coming days. Maybe it is placed on the site the coming days.

A couple of minutes ago the SBS6 Hart van Nederland - newsshow had an item on the subject Natalee Holloway as well.

“Justice Dep. reopens hunt on JvdS!” The search at the house (and garden and surroundings) stopped about an hour ago. Reason for the search was a tip about the burielplace of Natalees body (!!!) But untill now no body has been found.

PRdVries was in that item as well and was critical about the search: “Two years to late!” But on the other hand it could be possible that f.i. minute bloodspatters could be found.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 05:17:20 PM
Did anyone else just see them carrying out that big plastic box on Fox?  Like one of those storage bins?  Appeared to have a bag or something shapeless on the top of it as well.

I doubt that's their lunch box!

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 05:20:42 PM
Two people carrying it, one male and one female.  It appeared to have considerable heft to it.  So I don't think we can assume they found nothing just yet.  No remains likely but then they are working on a holiday weekend so perhaps they are not yet through.

We were told they were finished last night as well, remember?

And that they found nothing yet they have been carting things out all along.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2007, 05:21:36 PM
Okay, so the Dutch have someone that claims they know where the body is buried.  I don't think it is Deepak...remember he told Skeeters that he did not know where the body was...he knew she was dead...thus the "body" reference, he just didn't know where...I am betting that Satish doesn't know either.  It's not the Kalpoes.  If I were them, I would be calling Dr. Phil and asking for protection if they rat out Joran...the bus is heading their way as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: Tylergal
Quote from: IndyDan
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
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Indy Dan, I hate to do this to you, but tests have proven over and over again that it is one of the best treatments for PMS that exists. :lol:

Thanks Tylergal - I'll remember to eat massive doses of it next time I sense that coming on  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:22:40 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Two people carrying it, one male and one female.  It appeared to have considerable heft to it.  So I don't think we can assume they found nothing just yet.  No remains likely but then they are working on a holiday weekend so perhaps they are not yet through.

We were told they were finished last night as well, remember?

And that they found nothing yet they have been carting things out all along.

.

Exactly Anna - just because Dutch TV is reporting no body found does not mean nothing was found.  I'm sure they have items that need to be tested.

I missed the video you are referring to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: igsigs on April 28, 2007, 05:23:11 PM
DeVries on Book

"All in all the book contains innumerable forced manners to vitiate dubious circumstances. For the goodreaders however it only confirms Joran's untruthfullness and that makes him in fact only more suspicious."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
yea, like the investigators are going to tell the ARUBA news anything

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 05:26:17 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
JR @ FOB-no arrests.


YET! :wink:

Got the bikes out for the first time today and took them down the road to blow off the garage dust and as I was toolin' down 37, I thought, the only thing that could make today any better would be to hear that they hauled in the murdering-raping scumbag VanDerSloots.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
kind of funny how the K2's have not said a word


 8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:26:42 PM
Robots:

I'll tell you at the end of this page...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Robots:

I'll tell you at the end of this page...


ok,

waiting patiently  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...

ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!


me too
then on to the next case  8)

Ha, funny, I was just asked a little bit ago "what on earth are you and your Monkey friends gonna do when this case gets solved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My greatest hope is to be able to log on here and write these words and know it is all true...

ROBOTS WAS RIGHT!!


me too
then on to the next case  8)

Ha, funny, I was just asked a little bit ago "what on earth are you and your Monkey friends gonna do when this case gets solved.



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on April 28, 2007, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
JR @ FOB-no arrests.


YET! :wink:

Got the bikes out for the first time today and took them down the road to blow off the garage dust and as I was toolin' down 37, I thought, the only thing that could make today any better would be to hear that they hauled in the murdering-raping scumbag VanDerSloots.


The day is not over yet either. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Robert on the front page of SM:

The NOVA-newsshow unfortunatly doesn’t re-air tonight or the coming days. Maybe it is placed on the site the coming days.

A couple of minutes ago the SBS6 Hart van Nederland - newsshow had an item on the subject Natalee Holloway as well.

“Justice Dep. reopens hunt on JvdS!” The search at the house (and garden and surroundings) stopped about an hour ago. Reason for the search was a tip about the burielplace of Natalees body (!!!) But untill now no body has been found.

PRdVries was in that item as well and was critical about the search: “Two years to late!” But on the other hand it could be possible that f.i. minute bloodspatters could be found.


That's my man....

Robert is a doll.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Anna"
I wonder if the refrigeration truch is for evidence or to provide some sort of air conditioning relief for the workers and dogs, especially the dogs as they cannot function if over heated.  I wonder also if those are Dutch or Aruban dogs.

If they are Dutch, they are not accustomed to the heat.  If they are Aruban, I question their training.   :roll:


You mean they have not killed all the dogs in Aruba as a warning to those who might testify against Anita's sporter.



They had to bring these from Holland.  Prolly they have killed and starved too many locally.  Even Greta was shocked at how the poor dogs were treated there.  

Remember when they first wouldn't allow TES in Aruba because the dogs immunization might not be current?  Dogs that are welcomed all over the world and valued at over $150,000 because of their training and yet they might not have immunization?

I knew then we were dealing with Emissaries of the Devil.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 28, 2007, 05:33:04 PM
I am going to disagree with Robots ( if I may )
CW=Guido aka Marco.
........................


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I am going to disagree with Robots ( if I may )
CW=Guido aka Marco.
........................



i like that  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I am going to disagree with Robots ( if I may )
CW=Guido aka Marco.
........................


im not married to the K2 crown witness theory  8)

i think human nature comes into play,

k2 have had it with being thrown into the Muck

they dont like joran
they dont like paulus

and are tired of his lies

time to come clean

thanks K2  

but i like yours too
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:36:23 PM
I meant the end of the thread....

HURRY!!!  

POST!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
I meant the end of the thread....

HURRY!!!  

POST!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:


im trying  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on April 28, 2007, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, so the Dutch have someone that claims they know where the body is buried.  I don't think it is Deepak...remember he told Skeeters that he did not know where the body was...he knew she was dead...thus the "body" reference, he just didn't know where...I am betting that Satish doesn't know either.  It's not the Kalpoes.  If I were them, I would be calling Dr. Phil and asking for protection if they rat out Joran...the bus is heading their way as well.


Well, Lala's I agree with you...IF the K2's knew, it would be 2nd hand info, I doubt they would be in the trusted circle of friends.  However, Freddy?  or Guido?  

Whoever it may be, they feel safe enough to give this information.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
I meant the end of the thread....

HURRY!!!  

POST!!!!!

 :lol:  :lol:


Maybe you can post it a few times before we get to 50.... :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:39:39 PM
Patti - unless there's some breaking news..it's going to take a while to get to page 50, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
I am going to disagree with Robots ( if I may )
CW=Guido aka Marco.
........................


im not married to the K2 crown witness theory  8)

i think human nature comes into play,

k2 have had it with being thrown into the Muck

they dont like joran
they dont like paulus

and are tired of his lies

time to come clean

thanks K2  

but i like yours too
 8)


I agree... I think they are probably wishing they could come clean
and admit what part they played in it, but they werent' going to do
that as long as Paulus had control over the palace, so to speak.  And
I don't blame them.

Remember the post earlier where they say unless other people start
telling the truth, they aren't going to cooperate.  I think they feared the
truth would be twisted by Paulus and Company to indite them for
something they didn't do.

Maybe you're right... it is them or maybe it's a combination of things.
Now that the Dutch are involved, maybe people feel safer to expose
the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 05:40:47 PM
A post to move to a new thread for Patti.


Thank you all for bring info from everywhere to here.


I have a young active Monkey-doog, who just ran to a neighbors house and that neighbor made me stay for a beer!
A 7.3% beer. 1st time I every got a buzz before wanting to slepp w/ beer. :lol:


Robots, I'm betting the farm.  Haul their a$$es in!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on April 28, 2007, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Okay, so the Dutch have someone that claims they know where the body is buried.  I don't think it is Deepak...remember he told Skeeters that he did not know where the body was...he knew she was dead...thus the "body" reference, he just didn't know where...I am betting that Satish doesn't know either.  It's not the Kalpoes.  If I were them, I would be calling Dr. Phil and asking for protection if they rat out Joran...the bus is heading their way as well.


I agree with this.  I think it's one of Joran's closer friends - Koen, Guido, others that fled Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 05:42:01 PM
Here you go GEL, this is what I meant about Jug giving a statement.  Janet has it ALL!  She is magic!



Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
AN ANGUISHED STEPFATHER




Jug Twitty
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html
July 19, 2005

TWITTY: ... there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone ...

And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable. But you know what? They didn't take my statement until 30 days later, and I sat there and talked to the man for two hours, and his son. And they didn't take any of the statements from the people that were there. I probably had seven people in my so-called search party that night that we hit the ground, and it took them 19 days to take their statements.


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country' for August 11
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: I think, Joe, they need to go back to the beginning and question the people that were with me that night....

... Those people that were with me that night, had they taken our statements at least a week after it happened, we would have already had the answer. But when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: "NM"
A post to move to a new thread for Patti.


Thank you all for bring info from everywhere to here.


I have a young active Monkey-doog, who just ran to a neighbors house and that neighbor made me stay for a beer!
A 7.3% beer. 1st time I every got a buzz before wanting to slepp w/ beer. :lol:


Robots, I'm betting the farm.  Haul their a$$es in!


Hey, Sweetie:

If I post the same information as what was on the front page, do you
think that's enough to suffice?  Or... do I have to spell it out?  I'm a
bit reluctant.... too many spies and haters.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Spock on April 28, 2007, 05:44:34 PM
Search over or search over for the day?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 05:44:39 PM
p=pos June 23, 2005 PV
To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday
before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.

Wasn't p-pos also in nl or was that just internet rumor?

PS I also believe the 2 younger kids went to nl.

WWizzard (poster at SM) confirmed 3 sloots arrived in aruba from nl on KLM June 1


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Search over or search over for the day?

We really don't know.  We also don't and won't know what items they have taken from the Sloot house and yard.  All we know is that they are saying they have not found a body.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: "NM"
p=pos June 23, 2005 PV
To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday
before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.

Wasn't p-pos also in nl or was that just internet rumor?

PS I also believe the 2 younger kids went to nl.

WWizzard (poster at SM) confirmed 3 sloots arrived in aruba from nl on KLM June 1


Me too NM.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2007, 05:47:24 PM
Brief Synopsis by Rammstein at BFN

http://www.home.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/00292957

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article420553.ece/Huiszoeking_bij_ouders_Joran_gestaakt



it says they have completed their search and US news teams reported that it was searched because of an anonymous tip that a body was buried there. All the police/OM were willing to say that no body was found, no other statements will be forthcoming.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: "NM"
p=pos June 23, 2005 PV
To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday
before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.

Wasn't p-pos also in nl or was that just internet rumor?

PS I also believe the 2 younger kids went to nl.

WWizzard (poster at SM) confirmed 3 sloots arrived in aruba from nl on KLM June 1

That was Widget, not wwizard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 05:48:16 PM
Am wondering.  Suppose there is someone (?) that says they know where Natalee is buried.  And for all they know, that is the truth.  However, in the interim, someone else moves her.  That would take credibility away from the witness swearing they know where she is buried.  But perhaps areas can be tested and found to have enough evidence still to indicate she had been there even for a time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:48:19 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Search over or search over for the day?


Definately, over for the day....

No jack-hammers used yet....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - unless there's some breaking news..it's going to take a while to get to page 50, lol  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: "robots"
who do you think ?


Do you remember the person that the Dutch investigators visited before
they went to Aruba?  That's who I think it is.   Klaas knows that a couple
months ago, I told her and LaLa's that I thought that he had a conscience
(the only one with a conscience as far as I could tell of all the people that I looked at that either were involved or knew about the cover-up).  I told
them that I thought that he would end up telling the truth if given the opportunity, as I could sense that it was killing him.  I asked them not to be too hard on him because I didn't want his heart to become hard, like can happen sometimes when you push someone too much, they bury
their heels and refuse to say or do anything productive.

Anyway, if he hasn't already talked when he was visited, I think he will.

Do you know who I'm talking about?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "NM"
A post to move to a new thread for Patti.


Thank you all for bring info from everywhere to here.


I have a young active Monkey-doog, who just ran to a neighbors house and that neighbor made me stay for a beer!
A 7.3% beer. 1st time I every got a buzz before wanting to slepp w/ beer. :lol:


Robots, I'm betting the farm.  Haul their a$$es in!


Hey, Sweetie:

If I post the same information as what was on the front page, do you
think that's enough to suffice?  Or... do I have to spell it out?  I'm a
bit reluctant.... too many spies and haters.

I ment Dog and Sleepy from beer.
Wow! I think I got a buzz, and to prove that more I don't understand  your reply Patti. :lol:   I'm such a lite-weight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: "NM"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "NM"
A post to move to a new thread for Patti.


Thank you all for bring info from everywhere to here.


I have a young active Monkey-doog, who just ran to a neighbors house and that neighbor made me stay for a beer!
A 7.3% beer. 1st time I every got a buzz before wanting to slepp w/ beer. :lol:


Robots, I'm betting the farm.  Haul their a$$es in!


Hey, Sweetie:

If I post the same information as what was on the front page, do you
think that's enough to suffice?  Or... do I have to spell it out?  I'm a
bit reluctant.... too many spies and haters.

I ment Dog and Sleepy from beer.
Wow! I think I got a buzz, and to prove that more I don't understand  your reply Patti. :lol:   I'm such a lite-weight!


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 05:54:50 PM
It's a bit early for that, isn't it?  Has the sun set over the yard arm?  Oh.  Wait.  Remember:  It's five o'clock somewhere... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 05:55:05 PM
I just heard J-HO say on Fox that if the search doesn't turn up anything it could exonerate the VanDerSloots.
Hey HO, NOTHING is going to exonerate the Sloots.  They are guilty!!!
(I was also told in no uncertain terms that next time I screamed at the TV, I was sleeping in the garage) LOL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just heard J-HO say on Fox that if the search doesn't turn up anything it could exonerate the VanDerSloots.
Hey HO, NOTHING is going to exonerate the Sloots.  They are guilty!!!
(I was also told in no uncertain terms that next time I screamed at the TV, I was sleeping in the garage) LOL!


You screamin' at the TV Indy?  Didn't Elvis shoot the TV once?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: robots on April 28, 2007, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just heard J-HO say on Fox that if the search doesn't turn up anything it could exonerate the VanDerSloots.
Hey HO, NOTHING is going to exonerate the Sloots.  They are guilty!!!
(I was also told in no uncertain terms that next time I screamed at the TV, I was sleeping in the garage) LOL!



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on April 28, 2007, 05:57:40 PM
Evening Monkeys

I hope the investigators found something in all the evidence they took from the Sloot dump.

Klaas you have mail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 05:57:50 PM
Patti, I believe I know who you are referring to also. An aurban poster here, swore that person was on the up and up.  But I am and was always skeptical of what they beleived was up and up, if that is a person w/ Natalee's best interest.


Klaas, thanks for the correction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 05:58:13 PM
I'm going to post this because we are near the end of the thread.  This is just my gut feeling but I believe this is all for show.  There will be nothing that comes from all of this.  This is just so Aruba can say we did all we could and we even called the Dutch Forensic Institute in for help.  Aruba is trying to save face.

If Aruba really wanted to find Natalee they would either let Tim Miller search where he wants or just tell us where Aruba and put her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 28, 2007, 05:58:45 PM
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 05:59:34 PM
Hello OZZIE'SMOM!!!!!! So good to see you!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tiger on April 28, 2007, 06:00:02 PM
We shall see,soon I think


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 28, 2007, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: "NM"
p=pos June 23, 2005 PV
To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was
the Tuesday or Wednesday
before that Monday the 30th of May
that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands
for seven or eight days.

Wasn't p-pos also in nl or was that just internet rumor?

PS I also believe the 2 younger kids went to nl.

WWizzard (poster at SM) confirmed 3 sloots arrived in aruba from nl on KLM June 1


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 13, 2005

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up. On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 28, 2007, 06:01:11 PM
Hi Monkeys,
Just checking in. Nothing new to add. Trying to help Patti get to the end of the thread.

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: "NM"
Hello OZZIE'SMOM!!!!!! So good to see you!!!!!


Maybe I need a beer...where is she? :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: "San"
I'm going to post this because we are near the end of the thread.  This is just my gut feeling but I believe this is all for show.  There will be nothing that comes from all of this.  This is just so Aruba can say we did all we could and we even called the Dutch Forensic Institute in for help.  Aruba is trying to save face.

If Aruba really wanted to find Natalee they would either let Tim Miller search where he wants or just tell us where Aruba and put her.


I can understand a person feeling that way with everything that happened
but I hope you're wrong, as I know you do as well.  There has to be
someone somewhere that is big enough to stand up against these thugs
that have taken the life of Natalee and snubbed their noses to her
family.

But, I understand...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Exactly.  Part of the plan.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Hey Elaine.


If they do not find Nat or a trace of here there I can't see how that can prove they didn't harm her else where!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 06:02:35 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!


Okay.  Supposin' the Sloot sty has been sanitized and things aren't found.  How can anyone explain all of the BS?  All the lying?  All the switching and baiting and for what reason?
SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED-We want answers and justice for Natalee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 28, 2007, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Exactly.  Part of the plan.
Yes, and I see now that IndyDan had just made a post about it before me, sorry Indy... I cannot stand that woman, fox should give us a warning when they plan on airing her!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "NM"
Hello OZZIE'SMOM!!!!!! So good to see you!!!!!


Maybe I need a beer...where is she? :lol:


Hey 2NJ, she was here earlier.

The beer I had was Micholob(?) XXX, bought in NY state!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 06:04:24 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I just heard J-HO say on Fox that if the search doesn't turn up anything it could exonerate the VanDerSloots.
Hey HO, NOTHING is going to exonerate the Sloots.  They are guilty!!!
(I was also told in no uncertain terms that next time I screamed at the TV, I was sleeping in the garage) LOL!


You screamin' at the TV Indy?  Didn't Elvis shoot the TV once?

Was that dried up prune face around back in Elvis's day?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Exactly.  Part of the plan.


Seems Renfro keeps singing that song, so you have a valid point, San, as others have thought, too.  Seems such a waste after two years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on April 28, 2007, 06:04:53 PM
It doesn't take too brilliant of an investigator or person involved in law to see the cover up. Those things need to be addressed.  "Whoopsie" won't get it.  There weren't mistakes.  There was out and out deception.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 06:05:11 PM
There is absolutely NOTHING which will exonerate the Sloots!  At the least their lying son obstructed justice and delayed a search for a missing person and tried to frame security guards!

They will NEVER be exonerated and cannot be for they have well admitted these crimes.  That Aruba chose not to punish them for them is just part of the problem, too.

While true that physical evidence may not be found to convict them in an ARUBAN court of law because none was ever taken, that does not mean they are innocent.  Even if they did not kill Natalee, they are still far, far from innocent for if not for them, she would be in MB right now!

No, there will never be a day of his life that Joran will be exonerated.  And talk about looking bad, he really looks like he has something far more serious than mono and his features continue to coarsen  Brow protruding now, squinty eyes deep set and even the Dutch commenting on how vile they appear.

Looks just the part he really is.

.


.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!


Okay.  Supposin' the Sloot sty has been sanitized and things aren't found.  How can anyone explain all of the BS?  All the lying?  All the switching and baiting and for what reason?
SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED-We want answers and justice for Natalee


EXACTLY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: terryd270 on April 28, 2007, 06:05:15 PM
I just doing a stop by and I see that Glenda was making noise again.. That woman needs to put a sock in it..  This case is the People v. Glenda , a.k.a. "The Black Widow" a.k.a. "The Dangerous Diva" a.k.a "The Toxic Tempress" a.k.a. "The Woman Who Goes Around misdirecting families of missing tourist..  The funny thing is that I look at pictures on the site and a lot of the pictures of kids and people on that island look like the Sloots.. I guess very shallow gene pool..  So I believe that the island of Aruba was a bad experiment that went wrong..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Sam on April 28, 2007, 06:05:32 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!


She is a piece of work. HUH Elaine!

San I so hope you are wrong . I so pray something happens here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Exactly.  Part of the plan.


Seems Renfro keeps singing that song, so you have a valid point, San, as others have thought, too.  Seems such a waste after two years.

Yes 2NJS.

I will also say about the notes stolen from Joran's computer was a bunch of BS that was started on purpose.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 06:06:18 PM
Peeking Squirrel Hello!!!



Indy, Renho was around before humans!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 28, 2007, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: "NM"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Hey Elaine.


If they do not find Nat or a trace of here there I can't see how that can prove they didn't harm her else where!
Hi NM! Good to see you! I know or that after two years the place has been cleaned well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
I just doing a stop by and I see that Glenda was making noise again.. That woman needs to put a sock in it..  This case is the People v. Glenda , a.k.a. "The Black Widow" a.k.a. "The Dangerous Diva" a.k.a "The Toxic Tempress" a.k.a. "The Woman Who Goes Around misdirecting families of missing tourist..  The funny thing is that I look at pictures on the site and a lot of the pictures of kids and people on that island look like the Sloots.. I guess very shallow gene pool..  So I believe that the island of Aruba was a bad experiment that went wrong..

 :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Patti on April 28, 2007, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - unless there's some breaking news..it's going to take a while to get to page 50, lol  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: "robots"
who do you think ?


Do you remember the person that the Dutch investigators visited before
they went to Aruba?  That's who I think it is.   Klaas knows that a couple
months ago, I told her and LaLa's that I thought that he had a conscience
(the only one with a conscience as far as I could tell of all the people that I looked at that either were involved or knew about the cover-up).  I told
them that I thought that he would end up telling the truth if given the opportunity, as I could sense that it was killing him.  I asked them not to be too hard on him because I didn't want his heart to become hard, like can happen sometimes when you push someone too much, they bury
their heels and refuse to say or do anything productive.

Anyway, if he hasn't already talked when he was visited, I think he will.

Do you know who I'm talking about?


CW = JVDS




S


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: IndyDan on April 28, 2007, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Elaine"
The Big Story is on here on Fox , A woman named Julie is covering all the top stories, about 10 minutes ago, they had the wench on from Aruba via phone. Julie said to Renfroe "I hope they find what they need, so that Natalee's family can have closure" The wench came back with " Well, you know this could be what they need to exonerate the three suspects. If they find no trace of Natalee there this could help back them up" or something very close to that she said. Hey Renhoe, you are the worst of the worst in this entire case. You are the darkest of the darkside. I hope that you know your true colors of being a lying wench, are shining through!

Exactly.  Part of the plan.
Yes, and I see now that IndyDan had just made a post about it before me, sorry Indy... I cannot stand that woman, fox should give us a warning when they plan on airing her!

Elaine - I can't stand hearing her voice, can't stand seeing her face, I can't stand hearing her name.  I'm not sure anyone can stand this bitch worse than me.  No apology needed, I feel your pain.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: San on April 28, 2007, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
There is absolutely NOTHING which will exonerate the Sloots!  At the least their lying son obstructed justice and delayed a search for a missing person and tried to frame security guards!

They will NEVER be exonerated and cannot be for they have well admitted these crimes.  That Aruba chose not to punish them for them is just part of the problem, too.

While true that physical evidence may not be found to convict them in an ARUBAN court of law because none was ever taken, that does not mean they are innocent.  Even if they did not kill Natalee, they are still far, far from innocent for if not for them, she would be in MB right now!

No, there will never be a day of his life that Joran will be exonerated.  And talk about looking bad, he really looks like he has something far more serious than mono and his features continue to coarsen  Brow protruding now, squinty eyes deep set and even the Dutch commenting on how vile they appear.

Looks just the part he really is.

Looking at Joran is looking at evil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2007, 06:08:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "terryd270"
I just doing a stop by and I see that Glenda was making noise again.. That woman needs to put a sock in it..  This case is the People v. Glenda , a.k.a. "The Black Widow" a.k.a. "The Dangerous Diva" a.k.a "The Toxic Tempress" a.k.a. "The Woman Who Goes Around misdirecting families of missing tourist..  The funny thing is that I look at pictures on the site and a lot of the pictures of kids and people on that island look like the Sloots.. I guess very shallow gene pool..  So I believe that the island of Aruba was a bad experiment that went wrong..

 :wink:  :lol:


Hi, Teerry!  Great to see you!

Yes, it is very much like the Island of Dr. Mouro, isn't it?

 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 06:09:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 607

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1101


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: NM on April 28, 2007, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "Patti"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Patti - unless there's some breaking news..it's going to take a while to get to page 50, lol  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: "robots"
who do you think ?


Do you remember the person that the Dutch investigators visited before
they went to Aruba?  That's who I think it is.   Klaas knows that a couple
months ago, I told her and LaLa's that I thought that he had a conscience
(the only one with a conscience as far as I could tell of all the people that I looked at that either were involved or knew about the cover-up).  I told
them that I thought that he would end up telling the truth if given the opportunity, as I could sense that it was killing him.  I asked them not to be too hard on him because I didn't want his heart to become hard, like can happen sometimes when you push someone too much, they bury
their heels and refuse to say or do anything productive.

Anyway, if he hasn't already talked when he was visited, I think he will.

Do you know who I'm talking about?


CW = JVDS




S


OK I was totally wrong


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: Elaine on April 28, 2007, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
It doesn't take too brilliant of an investigator or person involved in law to see the cover up. Those things need to be addressed.  "Whoopsie" won't get it.  There weren't mistakes.  There was out and out deception.
Whoopsie..LMAO! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2007, 06:10:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 607

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1101


Title: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007
Post by: terryd270 on April 28, 2007, 06:11:03 PM
Well its dinner time but I really hate that woman and feel she has done so much to muddy the water in this case that I know she has a past and that past most likely is one of cheating and lieing.. She is hiding on that island for a reason and I wish someone would check her out..Maybe one day she will need Joe Taco to help her out of one of her lies..