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Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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Posted just now by Rammstein on the front page of SM in reference to PVDS interview on Dutch TV regarding the search:

Wonder how he knew the people from the NFI were having fun. He was gone all day during the search,he was not present except for a few minutes.

And who knows, maybe they were having an internal laugh at Paul’s expense, because he is such a sad little git?

Comment by me:  Say what you will about Ramm but I don't think he's ever been pro-Sloot.

Here!

Klaas... I think that some posters, such as Ramm, may be a bit misunderstood about their positions.  Some are fact only type of people(not into speculation)  He has helped with translations.

PvdS: Uh.. they have.. I don’t talk to the police! That is something that HAS been! I’ve made that very clear! I will not talk with the police again.


afraid to get caught in more LIES ?????

huh ??

paulus ????

 :twisted:

Just posted by aw@aruba (posting from Aruba) on the front page of SM:


Indeed the searches didn’t stop at the house. From what I understood is that they are pretty certain that something will be found. If it will be remains or clues we don’t know for sure. What I can tell you though is that everybody on Aruba is looking forward ho hear that Joran is indeed guilty. His dad is totally concerned and you can see and hear the doubts that has surfaced for him. Is he finally beginning to doubt his son or does he know something and is affraid that it will be uncovered?? I am in part sorry if her remains are found, deep down we all hoped that she will be alive, however after such a long time, the chances are very slim. I want to see Joran go down, he lives his live like nothing ever happened and he never suffered the consequences of his action. However we arubians indured so many insults and hatred becuase of him. I will try to keep posting if there is more updates.

joran will be arrested


BET the FARM on it  8)



my opinion only

I am not so sure they'll find anything,  Those aren't cadaver dogs (at least I don't believe they are)  so that tells me they aren't really looking as hard as they want us all to believe they are.

Today, I think they are all FOS, and this is a dog and pony show.  Tomorrow my opinion might be different.  
I surely hope I am wrong

 :lol:

no worries Ms. Vada

they got em this time  8)

How in the world can you look at pictures of the dogs and determine what kind they are?  Training is not a visual.

Just showing off my updated clothes.

I'm sure that there are many Arubans that feel this way and from the comments I read in the NL newspaper the other day there's alot of Dutchies feel this way too.

Very nice 8)

Ohh - very festive!  I Like it!

I will agree with you Robots.  I am gonna get my hopes up.  And, if I am disapointed, well, I have been disapointed before.

I had the same thought, but really only had info on drug dogs, since my BIL had trained one.  Just did some reading on cadaver dogs at a training school site and it seems that if there is no obvious body in the crime scene the dog & owner would also be looking for residual hits.

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I'm sure that there are many Arubans that feel this way and from the comments I read in the NL newspaper the other day there's alot of Dutchies feel this way too.[/quote]

I can speak for the Arubans I know, and they most certainly feel that way.

I'm sure this was talked about and I missed it somewhere.

Was Tim Miller invited by someone on Aruba to return, or is he going of his own volition?

Thanks!

It wasn't just looking at them.  The simple fact that they refuse to say what type of search dogs is what makes me think that.  If they WERE CADAVER DOGS,  the Dutch would be saying so to prove they are really looking for her.

We don't know but Tim and Jossy will both be on Dana tonight, so maybe Tim will say something about it.

I sure hope you're right Robots

Anybody know where they got information pertinent enough to warrant another search?

I can speak for the Arubans I know, and they most certainly feel that way.[/quote]

I'm sorry to hear this.

I never felt hatred towards the whole island; in fact, I felt bad for them and understand.  I am, after all, American.  I understand to a certain point how it feels to be hated by the actions of a few countrymen.

My hopes are up that this will be resolved - and the right people will be brought to justice.

speculation


but my guess is k2

singing like pavarotti  8)

I wonder when he is going down and what he will be searching, land or sea?

Cool! Thanks! :D

julia renfro on MSNBC right now.

Good morning, All,

Mrs Darth, I think Jossy has twice called them cadaver dogs.  I am curious as to why you think they are not.  That one Alsatian looks really sharp to me.  I don't think they would pay to fly them to Aruba if they were not really top knotch.

Always respect your posts from back in the day and just wondered why you don't think they really are.  You could well have spotted something the rest of us are overlooking.

Hi Houdini - Not sure but they've had the entire dossier for months.  Plus they may have had tips we are not aware of.  The KLPD is being very quiet about it as we were told they would.

I'm sorry to hear this.

I never felt hatred towards the whole island; in fact, I felt bad for them and understand.  I am, after all, American.  I understand to a certain point how it feels to be hated by the actions of a few countrymen.

My hopes are up that this will be resolved - and the right people will be brought to justice.[/quote]

That is my hope also

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Hadn't thought of that!

Is there an advantage to K2's civil case if Joran is fingered for this right now? I have always thought if the truth came out, K2 woud be implicated as well.

I can't bring it up either.

I don't necessarily agree that the Dutch would be telling us what type of dogs.  I agree with Anna....the dogs are highly trained.

Ohhhhhhhhhh..........Crown Witness. I gotcha. I haven't had coffee yet, sorry.

Hmmmmmmmm. Interesting.

Klaas? If you go to the dentist, you'll have to tell him that you have a reputation to maintain and he's going to have to put it in 5th gear!

I just got in but it took a few seconds...maybe it's okay, now?  This computer has been slow all AM, so I was thinking I should reboot

GAAAAG!

BTW - jill, I love your avatar!  It is the cutest thing.

It came up for me too.

K2 have had enough BS from JORAN



put the crown on them NOW  8)

There is so much hope in that theory, Robots. I would love you to be right. K2 would have enough detail to drive the nails in the Sloot coffin for sure.

This is OT

4 of our Gardenia bushes starting blooming this weekend.  I cut off about a dozen blooms and have them in my home office.  I love the frangrance, but i keep sneezing!  It is OK,  it is worth it!

I woke up thinking about the lily of the valley that grows under a huge white pine in Dad's yard...always loved the fragrance.  Not sure if they've bloomed yet...was there last Friday, but it was raining, and just went inside.  Want to dig some up before we sell...but have to find a shady spot here.

O/T

I'm listening to Glenn Beck right now. Some of you know his radio show and some of you have prolly never heard of him.. he's got a really good show that talks about right and wrong and not liberal or conservative.

Well, he just had a lady call in from Orlando and there was a terrible traffic accident yesterday.

According to this woman, a person was hit by three different cars and not one person stopped and not one motorist that passed the person laying on the street even stopped to help.

The OLE has now found the driver of the first car and are looking for the other two.

Glenn is saying that is is pretty apparent that society has totally decayed and there needs to be an overhaul and a return to 'old school' ...

As you all know, Jennifer Kesse is missing in Orlando and not one person (that I know of, the OLE obviously knows more than I do.) has come forward to ID the POI.
Orlando is over run with illegals that have taken over the city and in a conversation I had with Detective Joel Wright about Jennifer, he said the murder rate is 4 times what it was a year ago and that they are totally swamped. They are forming a missing person squad to try and solve the overload of missing people in the area.

Also, the government is paying for housing in condo complexes for these illegals and that is against the law to begin with.

Here is Jennifer Kesse's website, please take a second to click it and take a look. TIA

http://jenniferkesse.com/

Good morning/afternoon everyone!  Anything new to report...

thank you!  She's new - cbb just gave her to me yesterday!!

Seems like we are back to "no body, no case".

Well, if I can scoot in with the O/T flurry vreal quick, if you haven't seen this, take a look. It fascinates me!
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=454222&fr=yfp-t-501

How so?  Surely, we've progressed past that nonsense, right?

What's the specifics on this theory?

BLANKET APOLOGY: I've been on a laptop ever since the wreck, and I typo all the time with it. SORRY!!  :oops:

C'mon now CBB, you know you can do no wrong in my eyes!!  ;)

What wreck, BTW?

I can't type on a laptop either.  I really need a full-size keyboard cuz my fingers are all over the place when I type.

 8)

What did she say?

Well, Klaas could prolly 'Shop us a photo of them wearing the Crown but that might well be detremental to their health and survival at this point.

I sort of got the impression the canary was singing in de Fadderland.  Did we hear that or is that speculation as well.

nothing much of any value.

just recapped that the Dutch LE was there Friday and Saturday, digging in the garden she said - close to Joran's apt.

she did stress with some outrage that the Sloots were not informed in advance.

 :lol: You've been gone too long, 3rd! Totaled my car and another on Feb. 7. John (friend, employee) and I will be ok......I hope and think.
He can begin to bear  weight in 2 more weeks, and my physical therapy is helping.  :wink: The other guy is just fine, Thank God. He was 75 yrs old and just pulled right out on a 4 lane in front of me. Barely had time to touch my brakes.

Yeah, I guess I have been away too long, huh?  I'm sorry to hear that CBB!  I'll pray for you and yours to make a FULL recovery!

morning
i hope klass does it  8)

i think it is speculation as of right now

i agree it could be from fadderland, and i dont care who is singing
but i really think someone has told the DUTCH something very very very specific  8)  8)  8)  8)

Thank you.  I appreciate your viewpoint.

I had thought you might have recognized them as being from a previous search and so concluded they are not because Aruba doesn't have any cadaver dogs or didn't when Natalee disappeared.

I don't think they would tell us or the media what kind of dogs they are because that would disclose that they are in fact only looking for remains.  Also some of the drug dogs actually have a price on their heads if you can believe it, from drug lords, etc.

We live in strange and perverted times!  

I don't think they would fly them that far if they weren't really good ones.

Also the fact they have their own everything and didn't depend on Aruba for so much as a drill speaks volumes to me.  Own air compressor and generator, tools, drills, etc.  Guess they were not going to be done the way the searchers at the dump were when they were told there were no bulldozers even for rent anywhere on the island.

But you may be right--we could be being punked and so emotionally I am NOT going to get too high about this.  I will when those words "guilty on all counts" are being read to Joran in a court of law.   :wink: It wouldn't be the first time they have jerked us around about this!  Caution is in order to prevent pulling out of one's own hair!

Man, I do enjoy reading your posts Robots!!  Such a positive spin on things...;)

Let's hope you're right!  Nothing would please me any more then to see that smirk wiped off of (big and little) Joran's smug little face!!  And this guy wrote a book?  What was it...one of those "choose your ending" type of novels?  Remember those?  :roll:

In Joran's book, he again changes the story and says he and Nat did have sex, and they were on the beach for 3 hours. THAT blows up the timeline and throws the cell phone and computer records way off.

Lets hope im right
 8)


dont owrry i am

Looks like three in a row drilling in that area.  Note the scarring on the tree trunks.


You can see the drill thingy in the part of the photo of the man on the far left.

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 :smooch  :smooch  :smooch  :smooch

Does anyone know who this man is?  He looks very familiar.

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That's a good point Anna!  Unfortunately, there's nothing the Aruban or Dutch authorities have done in the past that should give us ANY kind of confidence in their investigative skills.  What concerns me even more is the fact that (as I said last Friday) Paulus was allowed on the property during the search itself.  And, from what I read in his interview, they've already returned some items back to him (his computer?!?).  How can a thorough productive search be conducted (and concluded) in such a short time?

Sucks to say, but cautious optimism is best here...for ALL parties involved!

Back from the lab deal.  My mouth hurts.  This is ridiculous.  I don't think I'm a good candidate for a root canal so I think pulling it sounds better.  

Time for a Lortab and a Diet Coke.  Nice to see everyone.

 :wink:

If K2 are going to sue Dr. Phil, then there has to be some discovery and some files look into and someone has to tell the truth.  Someone may be K2.  Somone may be some of the other witnesses that gave deposition in the Dr. Phil case.  If you remember there are two lawsuits going on, K2 against Dr. Phil, et al; Beth, et al, versus K2.  So there will be many lawyers calling for many files of record and a lot of depositions and I would say based on what Deepak said in the car that "Freddy must tell the truth," that K2 attorneys have taken his deposition under court order.

Sorry it took me so long to respond,  My Mom popped in, she has been in Florida for the winter and just came home a week or so ago,

Anyways,  You could be right,  I hadn't heard Jossy refer to them as being cadaver dogs.  I am sure they are top notch dogs, but i do specifically remember them not telling what type of dogs,  I am sure to protect them.  Especially as for what you said about the price on their heads (the drug dogs)

I will still stay cautiously optomistic.

Looks like Bill Murray in "Caddyshack" to me.

Breakfast of champions, Peaches!  :wink:
I'm so glad you're chemo is over, hon!

Thanks, CBB.  Along with that Lortab, I think a nap may be in order.

Third, I think somebody,perhaps MF over there, indicated Paulus left the house for the day and returned later.  Perhaps someone remembers it better than chemo brain here. :roll:

Not only that, but doesn't establishing such a signifigant lie place much more doubt on anything else he says?  It's like the old joke..."How do you know Joran is lying?  His mouth moves".  Why doesn't any of these MSM shows pick up on that, and run with it?  I mean, doesn't he alos change his story (yet again) about who picked him up in the book?  :roll:

I do not think the K2's are ratting.  Bet the farm on that.  They will not let them take down a Dutch boy.  If they take down Joran other Dutch people are involved and it is not going to happen.

So you think it's another Dutchman singing?  

Like say, Marco???

Polo!

I do watch Glenn. I sometimes turn him off, depending on what and who he has on, but I do like him. He really is a smart cookie, in my opinion. I also am trying to keep up on Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead, as well. So many people missing........so many gone, with no real clue or answer. It is so damn sad!!! WE need to find a way to get info!!

Maybe you're right Peaches.  I just don't like him allowed anywhere NEAR the search...especially considering his connections...

o/t

Hey Nut44x4

How you been with all this rain and flooding?  Hope you didn't have too much storm damage.  

I'm ready for warm weather, sunshine, green grass and the leaves to bloom!

I guess Beth was pretty outraged too that no one told her ahead of time that Natalee would die in that dump called the Sloot house.

ROFL

He does!

THANK YOU Tylergal!  A garden can be fixed.  A life cut short needlessly cannot!

The nerve of some people...

Don't tell Greta, any of you.  She will be so stressed that her little man giant is a lying punk.

lol - yup, he does.

or Bill O'Reilly.

I hope you are feeling better soon.   I will say a prayer for you.

my feeling is that Julia, and so many others, are unable to relate to Beth's combination of strength and class.  Instead they are intimidated, and behave like rabid dogs.

From RU:

Tacopina:
What I know about that is it's rank speculation and rumour. What I've heard from my sources in Aruba. law enforcement and media sources in Aruba is that the aruban authorities want to close this case against Joran van der Sloot.

doc/ViVi wrote:
Sounds like more rank speculation and rumor  

Arubagirl wrote:
I also think that Joe T. is wrong or lying here. ALE / media definitely want to close the case, but I don't think they're all that anxious of closing the case against Joran specifically.


Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky wrote:
Isn't that the same thing? "the case" or "case against Joran".
What case is there without Joran?
Is this a search party case to find a missing girl?


Arubagirl wrote:
Okay, true that (in this case), but I meant that the ALE / media doesn't seem to me to be all that anxious to declare Joran not a suspect anymore.

Put some of these men, i.e., Paulus, Joran, significant others' nuts in a vice grip until their statements can be verified to be factual.

Anna this is exactly what is happening.  I refuse to take this Aruban/Dutch ride.  They will turn up nothing.

As far as the search with Tim Miller I will also say nothing will be found.

I also want to comment on the timing of Joran's book release.  That was done on purpose.  They are trying to say the Dutch read his book and now have questions.  This is all by design what we are witnessing.  We have been witnessing this for the past two years with the same outcome.  If I am wrong I will eat my words.

Paulus Van der Sloot knew about the show they were going to put on at his house.

If something in fact does turn up from all of this I will eat my words but I don't plan on doing so.

Rob, I did go to the website.  I know that if I feel helpless when hearing about cases like this, the family must feel it 100 times worse.  Illegals not only don't go to the police for fear of being arrested and/or deported, but often times they come from countries where no one trusted the police.  I agree that we have to turn off our headsets, sit on our front porches, watch out for our neighbors and be willing to GET INVOLVED.  We also need to solve this illegal alien problem.  When ICE recently raided a business here that was making fraudulent docs for illegals, the illegals and their reps came out and protested the unnecessary show of force, claiming ICE wanted to intimidate them not to protest.  One woman said to a reporter, "We only need those papers to work.  I guess that's illegal."  Duh.

I agree.  Infact, I feel it would've been appropriate to put him up at the Holiday Inn for the duration of the search.

(oh wait, is it still the Holiday Inn?)

tylergal-I love the way you think. :D

Well, I guess the investigators should have called for an appointment.  Don't that just PI$$ you off???

Case coming up on FOX after commercial!

Kimmy, 90% of what has transpired involving the Arubans and their inclination to support these monsters just pisses me off to no end.  I cannot believe how heartless, how barbaric they are in their deeds.  These people have barely passed the stage of crawling on all fours.

LOL-"We'll tell you what investigators found"-they should be sued for false advertisement.I will be glad when that statement is true!

Maybe Boeti would let him share the bushes?

Off to nap........Thanks, Tyler.

Totally!  I mean, there's suspects who can (and often do) have access to their own properties while search warrants are being executed here in the U.S.  But, for the most part anyway, there's a certain confidence about impartiallity and justice in the States.  The same can't be said of Aruba, and that has been proven time and time again.  Why this search took 2 years to conduct is beyond me.  And, that fact alone also raises suspision about whether or not it's legit IMO...

 :lol: Nope.......I am 'up on a hill'--birch hill they call it and no flood here, but vveryyy wet and nasty. The ground here is like clay and does not absorb water well......waaaaaaaa. Anyway.....so glad to see so many in the cage now and hopefully we and the family and friends will see justice soon......if not, then at least find Nat and bring her home, in one form or another.

Joe Tacopina questions.  

He claims Aruba wants to close this case and clear Joran.  Glad to hear from an Aruban who says otherwise.  
But Joe also insists that they are going to find nothing and Natalee was never at that house.  How could Joe be absolutely certain Natalee wasn't there?  We know Joe wasn't there, we know his client lies all the time and admits to lying all the time.  So does Joe know where she was?  Unless he knows that she was somewhere else via pics, video and/or witnesses, he could not unequivocally say she was not at the Sloot house.  
Second question.  How does Joe know, without a doubt, that NFI won't find anything?  How could he be dumb enough to say this?  Unless he knows who done it and where Natalee and any and all evidence is, or what's been done with it, he cannot possibly know they won't find anything.  If someone like Posner told him that a thorough clean up was done by "pros", he cannot know that NFI won't find anything.  For goodness sakes, even if you think Joran is innocent (don't forget to take your anti-psychotics), the doer could have planted evidence in the Sloot yard.  Joe's a fool for making these claims.  Makes me think he's been assured that all evidence has been destroyed.

Nut

Glad to hear it.  I have a new "pond" in my front yard now.  I even got some ducks that have showed up to hang around.

I too live up on a hill, no clay though, mostly ledge.  I did lose my camper to a nasty clump of big tall pine trees, but that was it for me as far as damage goes.

Well DANG!!!
She asked pretty good questions, but Jossy answered different ones! :lol:

Jossy said they've received a tip and he's pretty sure of the source and they've been told specifically what to search for on the property......

JUST IN ON FOX:

Martha McCallum interviewed Jossy by phone.  She asked AGAIN about the 2 year statue of limitations.  Jossy told her "NO"; that the paper had a press release stating that the suspect status of JVDS had been exteded indefinitely!  FINALLY!! Thanks, Jossy for getting that info into MSM.

Puzzled, though, about the report.  She seemed to indicated that they were digging in the VDS yard today, but photos are from Friday and Saturday.  Anyone know if they are back at the house today?

That was the most encouraging piece I've seen. Jossy confirmed that the 2 year deadline is moot. He also said that this search is because the investigators reached a conclusion by reviewing all the documents and are looking for evidence to collaborate it.

MORE COMING UP ON FOX!

This sense of being entitled to special privileges tells us a lot about the Family van der Sloot.  Did the guards get a call in advance?  No.  But the Aruba-Dutch get advance notice, have LE friends there to support them, are allowed to bring pillows and blankets, and don't have to listen to the guards in KIA.

lexie, I'm glad you were listening, too! I hate to paraphrase stuff. Feel free to correct or add to my "mini-report".  :wink:

renfro just said on MSNBC that LE has already searched the yard, and used sonar in the past to search the yard.

Jossy ROCKED!!

He was a man with a message and didn't let anybody stop him from telling it!  Said he thinks he knows where the tip came from and semi indicated it was NOT KJ.  That was something I wanted to know.

Also says they are looking for something specific.  As does Robots.

And YES!!!  He did say there had even been a press release stating that there is NO TWO YEAR DEADLINE!

Did you hear that Joe T?  Maybe you should read and listen once in a while instead of talking when you should be listening.

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I would love it if they told Paulus he was going to have his pool dug up and he refused, and see him in an orange jumpsuit for protesting and impeding an investigation.  I bet Paulus would look better in an orange jumpsuit than a see-thru blouse.

now renfro is saying that joran will be released as a suspect NEXT MONTH!!

apparently, she was too busy talking to MSNBC to hear what Jossy had to say on FOX!!!!

She specifically asked since Jossy had volunteered he thought he knew the tip source, if the other prime suspects were related to the "tip". His answer was "of course it's related, they are all suspects."

I don't think that's what she was asking.

LOL... I was passing through on my way back from the washing machine :lol:  We were wondering last night why no one seemed to pick up on the declaration that extended the suspect status.  Jossy made that clear.  I think many are convinced that the "2 yr" provision is set in stone, and that does not appear to be so.

Wish we could find out if they are indeed searching at the house again... Maybe TES has already arrived with ground penetrating radar and dogs.. we can hope, can't we?

Liar, Liar!  She has not listed to Joe Taco... even he said there were no such extensive searches in the past! 8)

digging up the driveway!

They do not have to release him. Jossy said "suspect" status could be extended indefinately.


THEY'RE DIGGING UP THE DRIVEWAY!!!!!!
Just on FOX

The Go Joran crowd all have the same message.  I think there was a meeting, perhaps they used video-conferencing, to get their stories straight.

They use tripods for media cameras and I think that is what that object is in the previous photo.

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totally lying.  she also called this a "last search".

obviously didn't get the memo on the 2 yr. statute, either.

Ha, ha, very funny!

But he looks like that guy in the photo Sam was asksing about the other day to me, the strange looking one at the Soul Beach Festival.

Just wondering who he is that he gets around so much in regard to this investigation.

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did you hear Martha say that investigators are right now digging up the driveway???

Maybe someone should email her the news article Hammer quoted in his post last night.  Jossy did not say it "could be" extended....he said "HAS BEEN extended".

Arubagirl wrote:
"I also think that Joe T. is wrong or lying here."


Well, I think that observation definitely hits the nail on its head. :wink:

According to Joe, every grain of sand in Aruba has been overturned, they've drained reservoirs, they've moved islands and they won't find anything.  All this is being done to finally clear Joran and shut the mouths of the monkeys.

My understanding is that they COULD release Joran as a suspect. They are not compelled to in any way. No deadline.

Maybe they saw something with their xray equipment that can see through concrete/cement?!?!

I can't imagine them digging up the driveway without something telling them they should/.

And being totally illiterate, that entire group is fully incapable of reading the press release promulgated by the Dutch, as posted by Hammer here just yesterday.

They just pretty well repeat what Anita and AHATA tell them to say as does Joe T.  Heaven forbid they actually read the press relase stating just the opposite.

Well, we shall just see if Joran is relased or not.  This is something that time will truly tell.

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Whew!  Glad no one is claiming a I dated him.   :roll:

According to me, Joe lies for money (and probably for nothing).

Yes. I heard that and you are exactly right. He said specifically that has ALREADY occurred.

According to me, I think Joran and Joe are two of a kind in many ways.  Yes, I will sign that statement without my attorney reviewing it.

Guess no one interested in photo analysis so will give it a rest.

It doesn't bother me at all that Paulus was allowed back into the house after the search the first day.  It would seem silly, to me only, that they ban him from a crime scene where a family of five and all their trashy friends have been living for two years.

If it were a fresh crime scene, then it would bother me greatly but anything Paulus could do, he has long ago already done.  Anything he can't undo is still left or he would destory it as well.

Sort of horse/barn door thing.

Off to listen to the next news report then to work and lurk. . . .


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Pickle face cannot admit to all those she has lied to for so long that she is losing control of this because the Dutch are now in charge, and not the Chemaley mafia.

Whoa..Did they just report they are digging up the VDS driveway??

HA HA HA HA :lol:

Well, I think it's safe to say they're working on specific information provided by someone who claims to be "in the know" here.  Even considering how dumb they've proven to be in the past, you wouldn't think they'd go to the trouble of digging up someone's yard flying blind...

Or, would they?

Back for about 30 minutes while the build my crown (dental)  :wink:

Posted by woebedamned at RU:

more coming up on fox...teaser says "investigators are talking with one of the original suspects". Of course, that could mean many things

Ohhhhhhhh. MSDARTH: something about that struck me funny. I'm with you standing and scratching my head over the driveway dig. I can just picture you and I staring at that house and wondering if they know why they're digging up Paulus's driveway!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

OH , I'm getting the screaming giggles, here.

Oh, Paulus? Home Sweet Home just turned into a scene from the Money Pit! Can you imagine how his day's going?? "Oh, BTW, Paul. Don't come flying home after work tonight. That last step's a doozy!"  :lol:  :lol:

I hope they are searching the entire yard but this is the back corner between Joran's sty and the fence where those trees are located.  Not the front in the first photo of what appears to me to be three guys drilling.  

This would be VERY close to the next door house.  I am still stuck on Robots analysis from last night I guess and everybody else has moved on so I will, too.

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I'm interested in the photo, but my eyes are not that great and I can't make out what it is.

Re:  Paulus being there, my only concern is that Dutch LE might find him in the way while they are trying to do their job.

Altho, at the same time, possibly if they had a behovioral specialist with them, it might be a plus - keep a watch on him and see how he reacts to what they do.

I MISSED YOU!

Go back and check out the last piece on FOX. It's worth the read!  :wink:

I did, thanks!  Looks like more coming up on Fox too.

Yeah, I hear you Anna.  What you say does make sense.  I guess the thing that does in fact bother me is the influence he seems to have with the LE on that island, and how that may affect the impartial work that has to be done in conducting a fair search.  Hopefully, the Dutch authorities aren't as gullible as the Aruban ones...

actually, I'd be standing there probably with you  there by me, not scratching my head, but cheering on the ones doing the digging,  and screaming, Hey Paulus,  how do you like the USA now????

My choice of coverage today is Fox, since MSNBC is running Julia and her propaganda :lol:

I hope they dig up the pool without ever mentioning to Paulus that they are going to do so.  I hope Paulus comes home to lots and lots of surprises.

Anita slipped up when she LIED and said THEY dug up the flowers.  It was no THEY, it was Paulus burying something!

JMO.

Every time Anita opens her mouth, she gives something away just like Joran.

What's your bet? Jossy thinks he knows the tip source.............and Klaas. she honestly asked good questions for a change! Jossy answered different ones, but they were good questions!  :lol:

Is there any confirmation from Aruba that they are digging the driveway up today?

Jossy said this team works totally independent and DOES NOT EVEN COMMUNICATE WITH ALE.

Good.

 :D

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but wasn't the pool already there the night of Nat's disappearance?  If so, how could they have buried/concelaed her there?

No chance in hell...Someone is talking..

yes, I changed the channel.  Just can't handle listening to that anymore today.

I'm glad this 'two year' thing has been cleared up... until they decide to change their minds again anyway...

It is near impossible to get a straight answer on this one and doesn't seem to be a law after all.

Joran could theoretically remain a suspect for the rest of his life and rightfully so. I know he will be a suspect IF new evidence is presented, but that's about it. If they find nothing I believe this will be over.

On to Paulus, if they believe Natalee was at this house, and it appears they do by the refrigeration truck, they need to revoke KJ's Letter freeing Paulus from suspect status and haul his butt back in.

He himself places himself at that house during that night.. no one else did it, he DID. They can't say they're looking for Natalee at the VDS home and not have Paulus as a suspect!!!!!!

That makes me skeptical... but then again, I don't understand their convoluted system.

Not yet, I'm looking to see if anyone in Aruba confirms.

We have not seen hide nor fat *ss of Dennie Jacobs in the searches, have we? :lol:

Hopefully, whoever it is isn't a fan of James Brown's hit..."Talkin' loud, Ain't Sayin' Nuthin'"...;)

The concrete around it and the tacky looking fountain thingy were added AFTER Natalee disappeared.  That is why I have always asked who starts pouring concetee while they are a prime suspect in premeditated murder?

Yes, concrete was poured around the pool AFTER Natalee disappeared and has apparently been left in tact to this date.

Perhaps that is about to end.  I certainly hope so for I will not ever feel a search had been real until that is all dug up.

Surely you don't think we would want it dug up if it was ALREADY there, Third????

Did either of you or anyone watch the video from the Birmingham Fox station that had interviewed the neighbors?  It appeared that they had (even at that time) already roped off/taped off the driveway for excavation yesterday.  At least, that is what it appeared to me to be and the area that the girl pointed to although I admit it was not quality video, looked to be that they had worked in the area near the granny apartment/house of ill repute and were working their toward the street where they pull into the driveway.  Is that the same driveway that Beth & Jug accessed the night they arrived.  I cannot even get my brain wrapped around the area.  If his granny apartment is near the rear, and the girl was at the front looking opposite what appears to be the front, they are digging up hell and half of Georgia.

Paulus coming home from work. It's just over the hump, hon!

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Not even peeking over the fence!   :D

WHOA! DIGGING UP THE DRIVEWAY? Who said that? Someone on FOX?

Re. the two-year thing - folks, there is a FP article about this, last Thursday or Friday ... The Dutch have REOPENED the investigation and therefore the two-year things is "extended" or possibly no longer applicable.

The only question is why that has not been covered by the media - until apparently Jossy just made SURE to say it.

The FP article is about the Dutch press release to that effect. There is a link to it. Ramm did a translation but I'm not sure where it is. But you can get the sense of it even with babel.

DAVE ON FOX

Of course not Anna.  That why I was asking!  

My apologies.  Had a "blonde moment"... :oops:  :wink:

Yes, reported on Fox

Dave says he believes PVDS knows what happened to Natalee.

Just speculating here, but if the went to the dunes they could have taken some sand samples to compare with something found during the digs of the garden...?? ?? ??

Where is there a driveway?  it all looks like dirt to me!!   :lol:

Here's an old video from when Beth went to the Sloot house that has a good view of the driveway.  This video is from June 22, 2005:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

You think they got see thru blouse/jumpsuit combo for Anita Van der Snout?

He knows exactly what happened!! Good thing is that so do others..

did Dave say it?  I heard Martha's teaser, but had to step out of the room...

Anyone know if the driveway is concrete?  or just dirt like the rest of the yard?

Love bracelets (like double-ring wedding).  Let's pray that justice will be served and we will see them forever locked together in ankle shackles.  I suppose with Joran they would have to Joran arm shackles.  His ankles are too fit for shackles.

It looks like the VDS driveway is gravel

It looks very white on the video that I saw, and that could be sun-bleached concrete or packed sand.  Very hard to tell from what I saw.

Hello Everyone!

Are there anymore searches going on today?

read back just two pages.

yep-so true.

Hi ******* I remember you at RWV.Don't think you posted alot after I started posting tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJpBJnjl3K4

Video Courtesy of Ian And Deb at BFN..Just in!!

I'm pretty sure the driveway isn't paved. Gravel, maybe.

To me, the main thing is, THEY'RE  B-A-A-A-C-K - on the Queen's Birthday, no less. (I am assuming this driveway activity is today, not last week.)

Maybe something from those metal rod samples?

thank you.  dirt and gravel.

now I'm crying.

The Dutch came down in force from the NL because the case is now two years old and someone who knows some pieces of the puzzle is talking. That person was there early on either as a witness or in law enforcement and told the investigators specific information that led to the 20 man search of the sloot home. The Dutch didn't act on a tip or a file review alone. They obtained a search warrant based on probable cause and new information.

The Dutch team admits the original investigation was bungled and there was a a political influence to prevent a proper investigation from the start. One example was the arrest of the security guards when it was already known they had nothing to do with the dissapearance. Another example was allowing Van Stratten to head the investigation of his good friend's the VDS.

What the Dutch team is searching for is any physical evidence that NH was at the sloot home, or that they can find any of her possesions, or her remains. It is likely they will remain on the island for several more weeks digging, searching for items, and talking to LE and witnesses. What they need to break the case is an item: blouse fragment, earring, skirt, drivers license, blood spatter, remains. It seems apparant they do have someone talking buts its not one of the three, its someone on the early investigative side that is leading them in a defined direction and getting information from one of the lesser players.

The Dutch do not want to try this case without physical evidence of death.  If they don't have it already, they will keep searching for it. We know evidence has been lost, searches were delayed, and many have speculated the remains were taken to sea. I have read that about two days after the dissapearance that PVDS was already advising the principle suspects "no body: no case". If this is true, it is not only incriminating, it also summarizes where we are at two years later.

My analysis and opinion only.

Hi Green Eye's :) Yeh I left after dan got weird..lol

From the June 22, 2005 video of when Beth went to the Sloot residence.  It looks like gravel to me:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/vdsdriveway.jpg)

Why do they say Joran is former suspect?  He's not a former suspect-from what I understand he's continued to be THE prime suspect.  Sigh....

I am wondering although the driveway is probably packed gravel, maybe when the additional pool/fountain decking and landscaping that was going on in back this was a way to use equipment and materials without causing alarm.

Klaas-I put something in the thread SandraK's book excerpts from Joran-if you need to move or delete it,ok.Just wanted you to see what Joran has to say about the Hitler sister thing.

INDEFINITELY, too1

Well, it doesn't matter what talking head says former suspect or brings up that two year rule none of it applies and we have the press release from the Dutch saying so.

Guess some are so slow it takes them a very long time for something to sink in.

 :roll:

I suspect they are going to do this song and dance until the actual date arrives and Joran is NOT released as anything.

Only then will some admit that the two year rule does not apply in all cases.  Any thinking person could figure that out but that would eliminate Joe T and the Joran Fan Club.

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That is a good thought Muffy.

Also, why don't the Dutch question the people who delivered something to Paulus' house in that Dana truck.

Just noticed that Vicki of Miami Protest Fame, also will be on Dana's show tonight.

I wonder if they are questioning Freddy.

"Deepak: Freddy needs to tell the truth".

Yes,  thanks see it now.  It does not look like concrete to me, but braced on the edges for a think crushed granite rock drive.  They do that in AZ also in some more remote areas.

They need to talk to Joran again.  He's still a suspect here.  Why they haven't brought him back in for questioning in light of these new developments is beyond me...

It was hard for me to tell in that video,  not to mention that that was almost 2 years ago. It could be either gravel or a rough looking cement
I can't be sure what it is :?

I think we need to send a SM representative down to Aruba to answer some of these questions for us.

Any volunteers?

Oyster shells are also used for driveways and walkways where they are plentiful but usually look whiter than that one.

How does anybody know to whom they are talking?  

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I saw that girl on the video from Aruba last night and it looked like to me, just from what I could see, they had "staked" off the driveway yesterday.  Then it would make sense they would be digging today.  Or maybe the video was made earlier in the day.

FP is unusually quiet today.

I think they're keeping a close eye on Joran and as soon as something is found they're going to nab him.  Why question him?  All he does is lie any way.

It does seem, though, that they've got the right person talking.  I wonder if they have taken a look at that crypt?  There are alot of people that think that she as held there for a period of time, as well.  

I also wonder if they have gotten another two-day search warrant or if they are acting on a warrant to search only the driveway?  Has anyone heard from Easy Writer?

I'm sorry I didn't go back and read all the posts... I've been sick for the past 24 hours.

Well, from what I saw ont he video last night from the link YR gave us (I repeat) that the driveway was very white in her video.  It was across the street from neighbors with a lot of "vegetation" with whom she had spoken and she said the neighbors said they had been digging 2-3 days!?!  Area of driveway was roped off with crime scene tape.

Patti,

I had an email from Easy this morning, but he didn't have any new information at that time. I haven't heard from him in the last 2 or 3 hours, though, so that could have changed.

Lexie

I think Klaas made mention that she had trouble getting to the FP,  wonder if there's still a problem with it.

Hi everyone and good afternoon!


I pray and hope they do find some kind of evidence to convict, other than what was already turned in and tossed out, but in all honesty, I don't feel they will. I am not optimistic about it, sorry.

It's been two long years and enough time to pass for all evidence to be washed away.  The Sloots have had ample time to scrub, rescrub and rescrub some more, get new furniture, new carpeting, paint the walls, toss out clothing, shoes, drapes, sheets, pour cement to cover blood or other evidence, ect. I highly doubt they will find anything.

I just wish they would prosecute on circumstantial evidence. They have enough of that to go on or to take them to trial on. All the lies and obstructions, crimes unpunished. I wish Aruba would just do the right thing for once. Take down all those involved.

I sure will be listening in to Dana tonight. Thanks for the heads up on his show tonight.

To those who were at the Miami show...
Thank you for supporting the Boycott Aruba. Natalee would be so proud. And from looking at those awsome posters and signs, I can tell you all they were not cheap. Those cost a LOT.  I'm so glad you got a lot of recognition from the protest this past weekend. And again, another thanks goes out to those who attended the Boston protest too.

Peaches, BB and Klaas, I hope you all feel better with your teeth problems. Just the pain itself is enough to send you through the roof and make you feel so ill.

God bless~

Has anyone heard from Beach Wego lately?

I just tried pulled up the front page and I didn't have a problem.

Is there a problem with posting?

I'm doing much better, Patti. I had some sort of stomach thing that kept me from being able to digest anything at all for a few days. I just had a piece of chocolate cake, though, so I must be better.  :lol:

Excellent analysis!  No matter where the corruption, no matter how high the person and their friends, there will be those who don't like what's happening.  My response to the cry of "no evidence" was to check Dennis Jacobs' trunk.  There are people who know where the investigation went wrong, when a search was stopped, when evidence was lost.  It makes sense that someone who knows where all the times and places the investigation took a wrong turn, would be consulting with the NFI team.

No problem for me, either.

It seems to be okay now, but there were off-and-on problems earlier today - or at least for some, including me.

Chocolate is good for the soul.  Dark chocolate is good for the body.   :D

I have the same thing.  High fever, too, and everything that comes with it:  body aches, chills, etc.

I just wanted to check and make sure the Dutch were staying honest.  I am very pleased with the things they have done so far.  I'm going to go lay down, again, and I'll check back later....

Chocolate is one of the seven essential food groups.

I see Klaas made a screen capture. I have some more I just made... does anyone want them? I'll post them if someone wants them.. if not.. no problem. :D

I hope you feel much better soon, Patti. I had the aches and chills too. It's no fun.  :(

Hey Monks!!!!


could the vds pit have 2 "driveways"?

Remember the Dana Furniture Truck picture?  I do not believe that was in that front gated area where Beth and Greta called to p-pos in the bushes.


Also, Anna,  I not sure who that man is in the phot but was thinking it looked like the guy in the aru-bay ROCK vids and some people called him "The Nose" from nl

Rob - were you here for FUBARUBA? Just thought you might like it for a change on your avatar sometime.

I'm thinking crushed shells for the driveway.  Everybody's driveway on Cape Cod is crushed shells.  Cheap and close to home.  

Back to that nap thing....maybe.

msmarple, I'm not sure what you mean... I can be denser than BT at times... sorry BT... :D

I'm just kidding BT... LOOLoLoL!

Spock, your analysis was excellent.  You said it better than chemo brain permits me at this time.  Nice to see you.

My earlier thought about singing had to do with the "heavy battery" boy himself, Guido.

My prayers are for the well being of all monkeys, whether I remember the names and ailments.  Also for the Dutch team and Tim and all who are seeking information and justice in this case (and so many others).  

I don't know if they'll be able to find evidence, but it's worth noting that the Dutch are putting a lot of time and money into this case.  Like our FBI, the Dutch investigators have many cases and matters to spread among their law enforcement resources.  They negotiated with Aruba to have separate offices and for full police power while in Aruba.  They would not take the case without these conditions being met.  I'm thinking that they are investigating the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but realize they may find evidence of other crimes that the police corps, gov't officials or judges might be guilty of.  In fact, I think it's one of the things they are looking for.  If they can find evidence of the crime, they will find evidence of dirty cops and others who are not only involved in the cover up, but other illegal activities.

Not that you would *recall* but do you know what FUBAR means? Similar to SNAFU? ( ______ __ beyond all recognition/repair).

Not a big stretch to imagine how FUBARUBA fell into place here one day ...

(http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/24.gif)

 :smt003  :smt016

OK, it's official... I am DENSE... LOL.. I do not know what that means. But I wanna learn..

I imagine that the "f" means a certain act and the "u" means a certain person or entity. I hope I'm close ...

I'm thinking Guido, Koen, Sander.  Their families have the means to hire the lawyers who could negotiate immunity for information.

whats up old friends??does Klaas wanna help a old monkey out with a new avatar?? :D

I'm not feeling anything...LOL...see I am dense...

Screwed up beyond all recognition

I don't think Klaas is here.  :::pulls Nikki's tail:::   :lol:  :lol:

fornicating under the consent of the king

I am so glad to be back, guys...I feel naked tho...LOL....

I have missed you guys!!!! But, when the case died down, I had to actually get back to life...took my eyes some adjustment to looking at things other than a comp screen...lol...BUT now, I have alot of free time..and I am willing to give it to my monkey friends!

I'm popping in from work and can't stay but a minute!  Any new searches or news so far today?  Thanks!

NM I think you are right.  Did we have some speculation that the "granny pad" could have been a garage at one time?  It may be right in front of that area.  it may be part of the circular drive.  I am wondering why that area though.  it is pretty visible, and people would certainly notice a hold having been dug there i think.  so many questions, so little information.   :cry:

Actually, I have a feeling that the call for reinforcements (at least some of them - non forensic) was based on the scope of corruption - much bigger than they had thought. JMO.

I've said from the beginning that outside intervention is the only way this would resolve, because internally, Aruba is too messed up.

Specifically, the weekend of 6/10/2005 made me think immediately of Phenix City, ALA, and some here will know what I'm talking about. It isn't just the NH case, it's other stuff, and deeply entrenched.

In the case of PC AL, it was an over-the-top incident - one specific murder case - that brought the bad guys down. Here's hoping Natalee is that catalyst for Aruba.

Hi Casa. They're digging up the VDS driveway today.

Anybody got any new good pics of Papa sweating? I need a good laugh right now....

Oh my!  Thanks for letting me know BT.  I was afraid they would take off for the holiday!

Rob -  :lol:   :lol:

Both of these are military acronyms.

LilPuma correct re. SNAFU - Situation Normal, All F---ed Up.

FUBAR - F---ed Up Beyond All Recognition.

... and so then I think someone ended a post with FU, Aruba or similar.

Then someone noticed that looked a lot, fittingly, like FUBAR.

And if you put it all together it's FUBARUBA.

Aristotle on BFN is saying that the driveway dig is based on information given from a *suspect*.

She is, IMO, a good source.

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Nikki, there are some pictures on the front page, one of which features Paulus where it appears he is coming home to find his yard being dug up.

http://www.24ora.com/images/stories//news/2006/11/pvdSloot1.jpg

I thought Anita was in Holland? I guess its possible she flew back asap after hearing the house was being searched..

Rofl!! I will have to blow this one up!! I cant see him from the small pic..

I looked again and this is not Paulus... he is in the back wearing a white shirt...
Sorry... looked like his head when I first saw it.

Welcome Back Nikki!!  :)

Roos~

Is there anyone here willing to volunteer to do commentary on the Dana program tonight.  I have painters coming to do all my ceilings tonight and we have to start dressing the furniture area.  I am not sure where they will be painting when Dana is on so if someone would be so kind--- if someone would try to just do highlights while discussion here taking place.

No more white ceilings.  They are going the way of the tube radio.

oooohhhh,  Chocky!

I hope it was yummy.

Very, very yummy!!!  :D

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Paulusindriveway1.png)

This Paulus..

This part was very sad..

Beth in her sweet voice says 'Hi, I'm Natalee's mom.. I wanna give you a prayer card'..

God Bless Beth...

I would have maimed him beyond belief.. her faith is stronger than mine.. I'm not ashamed to admit that...

It's good to see you nikki!!  :D

It's been a long time.

I should have added.. he shakes his hands as if to say ~ no no no...and then Beth says something like  'thank you'...

God created something special with Beth..

Hi Nikki

Welcome Back.  Wasn't it you that was taking care of a bunch of baby kittens a million posts ago?

Rob,  I have always thought that was Joran peeking, and then Paulus came out and talked to them.  It may be Anita of course.

Hi Nikki! Good to see you!

O/T - Medical question of sorts. If one of those fatal type spiders bites you, you're probably not alive the next day, right?  :lol:

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AZ, I looked close.. I think it is some type of fruit on that tree.

He wanted to tell them they couldnt be here.. But didn't want to look like they were hiding something as he saw the Camera and found out that was Natalees MOM.

I agree very sad..I know my temper would have been unleashed through that whole ordeal.

Thanks guys!!!

Yes..that was me taking care of the kitties...such a long story, i will fill you guys in on later!

ANd about the bite, not necessarily....I was bitten by a brown recluse..and here I sit...just typin' away...But i do have scars to prove it!!!

Be back in 20 minutes..gotta go get kiddo from school!

Does anyone here have a subscription to this web site?
http://www.einnews.com/netherlands/
I don't and am working right now. Too busy to fill out the subscription form.

If you go the site, and then in the "select Netherlands feed" pull down menu you select breaking news, you will find the headline of a breaking news story entitled.

"Dutch arrest man in case of missing US teen 30 Apr 2007 07:11"

AZ here is a close up.. what do you think?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Blowupoftree1.jpg)

I see that!! You have to pay to read the article!! :o

If you click on the free trial it takes you to a screen.  The problem with it is that it's $29.95 per month and they ask for your credit card even for the free trial.

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Note though it was posted at 7:11 which must be 7:11AM but we don't know if that was Netherland time zone or U.S. time zone. I would have to believe if this was the case it would already be in our MSM given it was posted between 8-12 hours ago.

:shock:  :shock: Wow!!!!

And the headline doesn't say if it's in relation to Natalee. I don't have the time right now to search for any other Dutch news reports. Just wondered if anyone had a subcription to the site. I suppose if it's about Natlee we'll hear soon enough.

I gotta get back to work now.

Ado

well if it is, it has an arm and a head!! LOL

Let's wait and see if this arrest is really new and not an erroneous report.  I haven't seen anything about an arrest elsehwere.

Dang, I would at least want something to eat for that price.

Yes, but not if you cancel within 7 days? That's the way I read it. I don't like to do that kind of stuff at work ... But surely we'll hear from another source soon if something has happened.

We sure haven't heard a word about what Joran has been up to these last few days. More TV interviews about his book, even as his home is being searched?

 :shock:  :shock:

 :lol:  :lol:

Couldn't it have been at 7:11 PM their time, after all they are about six hours ahead of us, so it is 10.00 pm there

Hi Metro - do we know if the Dutch use 24 hour time or do they use am and pm? If it was pm, that time would make sense. They're probably six hours ahead of EST.

nikkibnurse,

Take care of that bite, my exwife almost lost her leg because of one.. We had an outside pool and one bit her while we were swimming and it looked like a little bite but within a day it grew pretty ugly.. I took her to the emergency room and the doctor took one look and called to have the surgery room ready and started asking questions about blood type and stuff and not about our insurance.. I knew it was serious at this point, he actually removed a scoop full of tissue from her leg, almost to the bone and then she had to go for hyperbaric chamber for healing and to stop the spread of the bite.. If it had gotten to the bone, she would of lost her leg..

Has anyone confirmed the driveway was taped off yesterday and is being dug up today?

LOL, Elaine. Great minds think alike.  :lol:

Ms Darth, this brought me out of the lurking mode!!

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Doubtful...if you look at the time stamps of the other stories they begin listing them in military time 13:00 as opposed to 1:00PM. 7:11PM would have been listed as 19:11

Fifteen pages to read...anything new you'd like to share Good Monkeys?

No confirmation other than Fox saying the driveway is being dug up.  I'm not sure I believe it yet.

Hi AZ!  It feels like Homecoming!!!
Here is a labeled pix from Klaas. I think the "granny pad" that was once thought is jurin's pit.

Yea, the driveway might do from that center up to and behind jurin's pit.

:wink:  :wink:

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Stealing from Robots here:

Mmmmmmm.....I feel delicious

Reading back on all I missed, but wanted to shout out to Peaches!  Sorry about your tooth!  You hang in there-you are one tuff peach! :)

I was on a short vacation when this all broke, so know I am just ravenous for information!!  Couldn't hardly stand it that I had to leave just as news was breaking.  I am soooo hopeful that they are finding something!! I know this case will be brought to justice, there are so many people praying for it, and faith can move mountains!!

Can not believe I forgot the pix
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Posted by Debbie:

Dave is to be on Nancy Grace tonight.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6856.0

John Q. Kelly is to be on Greta tonight.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6863.0

So they can be digging all around the apartment.  I sure wish we could have a confirmation that this is going on today.

Media tonight:

Dave is to be on Nancy Grace tonight.
Time:  8:00 pm Eastern
Replay:  10:00 pm Eastern & 1:00 am Eastern


John Q. Kelly is to be on Greta tonight.
Time:  10:00 PM Eastern
Replay:  1:00 AM Eastern

Ah hem. :)

You give me a good chuckle. Love your new avatar Alto  :)

OTHER THAN DANA PRETZER WHICH WAS ANNOUNCED EARLIER, LOL  :lol:

The Dana Pretzer Show on tonight at 9 PM Eastern

Special Guests:

Tim Miller,
Larry Garrison, and
Jossy Mansur discussing the latest iin the search at the Van Der Sloot’s home
Vickie from ScaredMonkeys.net who protested at the Miami Travel Show

***********
Thanks BB..I always say if I can make person smile each day I have done something good.

Heh..I wish I had stars flying off my club in real life..I could use the help!!

Looks like Dana will have lots to talk about tonight and Lots of listeners!! 8)

Hi Dana! Did you get the paypal donation I sent you? Paypal doesn't give me notice if the recipient picked it up or not.

TONIGHT:

8PM EASTERN - NANCY GRACE

9PM EASTERN - DANA PRETZER

10PM EASTERN - GRETA

Going to be a busy night I think, lol  :lol:

LOL!! I plugged you show at BFN and will do it again before it airs.. :wink:

Holland is 5 hours ahead of me here. Time here - 3:39 pm time there 8:39 pm.

8)  8)  8)  8)  8)

Dana: Can we ask questions? Do we need to sibmit them now? Can we just tell you what we want to know???  :lol:

I'll say!!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Busted........

Everybody knows to tune in to your show.  That's a given.  You Rock!!

:oops: sUbmit :oops:

WELL? I'm on a laptop!  :lol:

Hi, everyone.   Had to come back to the Monkeys to read the latest going ons in the Holloway case.   Nice to see everyone.  Here is that article about an arrest in the Netherlands.   I guess someone googled this.  It is a very old article from 2006 and nothing new:

Dutch arrest man in case of missing US teen

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch lawyer of a man arrested in connection with the disappearance last May of a U.S. teenager in Aruba said on Monday he would fight a request to send him back to the island.

Gerard Spong said his client, a croupier at the hotel where missing teen Natalie Holloway was staying, was suspected of participating in her kidnap and murder, Dutch news agency ANP reported.

Holloway, 18, disappeared during a high-school class trip to the Caribbean island. Her body has never been found, prompting a frenzy of media speculation in the United States as to what may have happened to her.

Dutch authorities have not disclosed the name of the man who was arrested last week on the request of the prosecutor's office in Aruba.

A court in The Hague will discuss on Tuesday his possible transfer to the former Dutch colony, a spokeswoman for the court said.

"They will also decide on a timeline for that decision," she said.

Spong said he had applied for a temporary injunction to try to prevent his client being sent back to Aruba.

So far ten people have been arrested in connection with Holloway's disappearance and later released for lack of evidence, ANP said.



Source: REUTERS

so it is 5 hours not 6, thanks Rob!

 8)  8)  8)  8)

scared huh?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thanks!  Good to see you!

I suspected it was an old article.  Thanks for posting this.  :wink:

Somebody smarter than me figure out how we don't miss anything!

Dana @9:00
Greta @10:00
When does NG come on?

Hi Kathyn, That is Not the same article the one we saw was dated TODAY, what you have posted is old, yes

Oh Lord...............I'm gonna keep my mouth shut!  :lol:

I'm working on a lappy and trying to keep up with you guys too! SOWWY!

According to the Fox station in Birmingham, which video was linked by Yellow Ribbon last night, the driveway was taped off last night (if my eyes did not deceive me and she did not lie having seen the same as I).  It is being said by certain persons on Aruba and reporters from Fox that driveway is being dug up.  See Fox NOW!

ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS! THE BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL IS A RED MOO MOO AND A CHEAP HAIR CUT :!:

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Well that's the way I remember it from when I was dating a girl from Holland... maybe Im wrong.. there is that possibility.  :D

but,but IIRC Guido had been in jail for a few days before MSM reported it-I can still hope :lol:

She looks rough!!

ROFLOL!  Is that a new pic/video?

Thank-you kathryn2 , it must have been referencing Guido.

ok, dying here.

YES, arrest in Holland?  or NO, just a rumor?

Who is in Holland besides Jurin that could be arrested and give driveway info?

I have so much to do tonight!  I have to find a way to watch Nancy, listen to Dana and then watch Greta!   In case I miss anything, hoping there will be some good transcribers tonight???? :smt100

Not even I would dress up to dig in the Sloot yard!  I don't blame her.

NO - old article from when Guido was arrested last year

Hmmmm did she break-up with you because you were always late for your dates?  :twisted:  :wink:

so, the 29.95 dollar article was old news????

dutch are not playing

 "ring around the sloot house"





they got something

i want to see paulus face when they put him in CHAINS

MuffyBee- that's funny! :lol:  :lol:

DANA FOR JOSSY:

1) Is it possible the "tip" came from one of the Kalpoe's?
2) Where did the tip come from? (I'm betting he won't divuldge what he suspects, so I that's why I asked no.1)
3) WHY would they dig up the driveway? It was there before Natalee went missing, right? (If it's just to mess up Paulus' Day, that's good enough for me, but I just wondered).
4) Any rumours of arrests pending or what they've found?
5) Are they looking again at the physical evidence previously collected? (car seats luminoled, bones found, belt found, etc.)

DANA for TIM:
1) When are you going to Aruba
2) What caused you to go now?
3) Where are you searching?
4) How long will you be there?
5) Please convey to him that a prayer vigil in support of his efforts will be ongoing while he's there.

YES

OH great just who I want to see after taking a nap.  I hate her.

Guido & Sander.  I'm not sure where Koen is.

From what Jossy said on Fox earlier about the information coming from   "the original suspects" - does it not sound as if the Kalpoe's are talking?

I am dying to know what Joran is doing right now and what he is thinking about his house being dug up.  I wonder if daddy and JVS are stupid enough to talk on a phone to go over any of there 'stories'....

Rob,  this is who was hiding behind the tree I think.  I see red in that other picture.

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I see there's no real news.....except perhaps someone arrested in Holland?  but we are waiting for verification? And the driveway at the slop...ooopsss meant sloot  :wink: house being dug up.......wouldn't ya love to know what new info spurred this on....some I have spoken to thinks it's a last 'big show' before releasing the jk2 othrs think it's the real thing.... :?:

So who was hiding in those bushes?? :D

Hiding under the bed.......

BB
She worked for her father that owned a lumber company in Holland and they developed a product that used garbage bags and saw dust to make some super hard stuff and were working with a company lumber company in the States called Snavley, based here in Pittsburgh, who was going to be their US distributor... we split up because her year visa was up and she went home to Holland.

Wonder what happened to her-

Was Steve Croes an original suspect.

that's a pretty crappy trick.

 :roll:

thanks for confirming my assumptions.  Another site is reporting it as 7am not 7pm which wouldn't make sense to me.

I don't understand why the attacks on the Dutch forensic worker.  Surely no one thinks that is Anita?  Note the rubber glove almost to the elbow, taller and larger than Anita,

IMO.

AZ.. I dont think so.. but she was home and in the house while Paulus was russling around in the bushes and then they went inside with Paulus and stayed their for 90 minutes .. then when Beth and Greta reappeared... Paulus and Anita walked them to the gate...That is when Anita made an appearance.

Klaas? Is there somewhere I can post those questions for Dana that he'll see them?

BTW: SUNNY Your avatar is in the lounge.  :wink:

Yes it does..But he thinks the tip is from Holland. I guess they could have been in touch with the KLPD..I really really think Deepak is tired of bein pushed around by the sloots and there friends.

Enough of the BS already 8)

wow.  i definitely thought that was Anita.

those in Holland San would be Lorenzo, Guido and Joran..

I think that would be it.. unless Van Cromvoirt is there.

No.  The original suspects are Mickey John and Abraham Jones  :roll:
and Joran, Deepak and Satish.  But Deepak did tell MJ about the "around the pool" meeting with Joran's family.

Well, I'd love to say he's crapping in his pants........ :lol:  :lol:

Dana for Larry.
1) where is Deepthroat?

I would rather hear Dana.  He will have Tim and Jossy, who will be as honest and forthcoming as possible.  I know that Dave always tries to play nice and not divulge nothing and demand anything.  JQK is not going to say anything that is not known.  He knows to keep things close to the vest.  He will just be there to make an appearance on Greta.  I am sure his knowledge is 10 to the 10th power for what we have but he knows how to keep a secret and keep tight-lipped, something impossible for Taco.  He just talks to hear himself talking, anything that prune face tells him to say.

thanks... :D

I was only joking Rob :roll: ....because you were having time discrepancies...get it, late for the date . I can't tell jokes well in person either....sorry  :oops:  Sounds like you had a little soft spot in your heart for her.......ahhhhhh young love.  :D

Honestly?  I'vel ooked at that picture at least 20 times, and only one time did the picture jump off the page at me.  And it was definetaly Joran or either..........ya ready for this????........the guy in the wild painted van from waaay back that some were trying to say was Lorenzo. Very square jaw line.
 :shock:  :shock:   Not kidding!!!

Now when I look at the picture I can't make anything out. :?

Jossy says he feels it may be one of the original suspects.

That could be anyone of them since there are several of them, IF this is the case.

Joran
Kalpoe's
Paulus
Steve Croes
Freddy
GVC
Guido
2 Guards

CBB - I just emailed your questions to Dana.

I don't think any of us KNOW for sure who was lurking where....we saw pvds come out after a while....I wouldn't doubt that both he and anita were lurking behind the bushes....and since NONE of us were there....your guess is as good as anyone elses :wink:

Dana for Larry.
1) where is Deepthroat?


Rob..That whole thing pisses me off!!! Thats all we needed was another writer/reporter capatalizing on NH.

It could have been 7 pm when the posted it.. SF didnt post it here til 3:30 which would have made it 8:30pm in Holland and over an hour to have been on the board.

Am I making any sense today?  :D  I keep confusin myself.. and Im writing the same words again and again... and I look at my posts and I say to myself.. WTH am I writing :D

Guido was questioned very early on.

you said it not me *******!

Probably Joran..Young man was scared to death back then..

Its so nice to see everyone again!!  At least this new search has brought us all out again so we can say HELLO.   I hope and pray it leads to the discovery of what happened to Natalee.   I can't believe the spin ol Joe Taco is putting on it all.   I do think the Dutch got some info and I hope it pans out into good news for Beth.

I am with you.....I'll listen to Tim and Jossy.....but JQ is sure good on the eyes....might have to watch him :D .....and Dave too....aw heck I'll do my best to catch all of them :wink:

Yeah, I think GVC is there.  He went after his release.

I think he was considered a witness?

Good to see you too kathyn2 :wink:

Justice is coming for Natalee.

Someone has to mention it.. Like the ATA members found out in Boston.. I can be quite vocal at times.. 8)

Having heard the actual charges against Guido, he had to have been pretty closely involved.....I'll place my bet on him.

So what was she wearing?  was it a red shirt?  I thought that was the video you took this picture from.

Hi kathery....good too see you too!

darn it I meant kathryn :oops:

Very well just might be, BB.  After Joran had to go to court with Guido/Marco to keep his name out of the book, Guido/Marco might be attempting to save face and tell what he knows. That or Guido/Marco is highly PO at Joran and decided to let him go down. Time will tell.

Heeeeheee...I am so tickled to be back!!! AND, i am no longer naked!! Klaas, did you fix me up??? Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

here is the official time on the site 30 Apr 2007 07:11

IT is 7am Holland time (this morning) which would be 2am here

I just wondered if they were using the word suspect loosely, as in suspicious characters, rather than formal suspects.

Yep - Hi Nikki!  :lol:

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Search Continues For Missing Girl

Created: 4/30/2007 11:46:34 AM
Updated: 4/30/2007 11:46:58 AM


Alexandria Wright

The search continues this morning for a three-year-old girl who is presumed drowned after walking away from her northern Maine home five days ago along the Aroostook River.

Officials say two boats and about 15 ground searchers continued looking yesterday for Alexandria Winship-Wright in Fort Fairfield. The river flows into New Brunswick, where Canadian officials continued watching for signs of the girl.

While the river's high water levels and fast current have hampered the search, officials say conditions have improved, with water levels dropping more than three feet since the search began.

The girl's mother has said the girl went missing after she was left unattended momentarily. State officials have taken custody of the woman's one-year-old daughter.

If that is the case it would be on other dutch media..

 :D  :D

I didnt want to stir anything up. You're better at that...

BB - how very sad  :cry:

<====broken heart over that beautiful little girl.

The other news services would have picked up on this by now. Sorry, it looks like a $29.95 tease.

OK, this is what I wanna know from you guys...Gimme all of your feedback...

I have spent countless hours in the past 2 years, especially in t he first 3-6 months after Nat went missing, chomping and the bit at this computer , praying, hoping...waiting for the current search at the time to give us all the answers we are praying for, and yet....nothing.

What do you guys think about what is going on now? I know it is a different form of LE..so that is good...But, do you think we are hoping and wishing yet again to just end up with still more unanswered questions?

IMHO, I dont think so......this just smells different...

I would think you are correct...When I look at the Dutch sites, there is not much on Natalee.. but if someone was arrested.. it might be on DeVries' site.

Years ago, we had acquaintances, parents of twin boys, ages 3 and an infant daughter.  It was late February and mother had taken all the kids shopping with her.  She came home to find their pool frozen over, took the baby and boys inside.  While she was changing diaper, one boy went missing.  He was found drowned in the pool where he had tried to walk on it.  Father divorced mother and went to court to take the other children.

Two years later, after divorce, mother committed suicide. It was the father who had custody of the two remaining children, who found a child abandoned in a car with the windows closed and the doors locked on a hot July day, where parents were in a bar celebrating.  Father realized that his wife who was now dead, the mother of his two children, had not neglected those children, but had merely turned away for a brief time to change a diaper when her child got away from her and drowned.

Child abuse?  No.  Just being a parent attending to the squeaking hinge, a crying baby with a wet diaper on a cold day, hungry and tired; two curious little boys exploring and one drowned.  It was very, very sad that the father realized after finding that child dead in that automobile on a hot July day (someone he did not know) that this met the criteria for child abuse, not what his wife had done.

It is so sad. The only thing they have found so far are her 2 little pink boots in the river. The 21 year old mother has had her 1 year old removed from her custody. When the mother allegedly went to go to the bathroom, the 3 year old disappeared. I have posted it in the missing persons thread, but wanted to bring the article here for all to be aware.

Yes, AND he has that High powered lawyer Spong on his side.  Could it be possible that the Dutch have gone thru the files, realized that Guido could be indicted, and gave him a chance to be the Crown Witness....His lawyer could have urged him to take the deal....

BRB...phone..but i am waiting for monkey input!

can they just make up news that isnt true to lure someone in? that doesnt seem right...

see I still dont understand their system.

Yes, AND he has that High powered lawyer Spong on his side. Could it be possible that the Dutch have gone thru the files, realized that Guido could be indicted, and gave him a chance to be the Crown Witness....His lawyer could have urged him to take the deal....


I hope so Kimmy..I think it is possible..

BB,  This is the little girl in Fort Fairfield Maine?  I didn't realize she lost custody of her baby.  Really Sad.

Does anyone recall the actual wording of the charges brought against Guido?

Now wouldn't that be a hoot. I can see the head lines now...
"Guido, Joran's lover, turns Crown Witness"

Still aiting for confirmation of the driveway dig today. So much speculation. Nothing I have heard but one line from fox.

Wever's lawyer, Gerard Spong was expected to file a suit Monday to prevent his extradition to the Caribbean island on charges of "assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

I must admit that up until today, I was smelling pony poo and fearful it was all for show until they released Joran as a suspect. Jossy's interview this morning on FOX has encouraged me to hope that maybe it's more than that. If they thoroughly reviewed the documents, then their conclusions would be the same as our collective one is here. Joran is lying incessantly and the obvious reason for that is he's guilty and the truth will prove it. I want to believe that they are doing the logical thing: looking for anything that will make what they KNOW hold up in court.
With help from ALE, Joran's side has made this a difficult "proof" to uphold. Even in this country, this is a circumstantial case and IMO, wouldn't be a slam dunk without physical evidence and face it: there's some truth to "no body, no case". It's not impossible but it's hard!

Didn't Jossy also confirm the driveway dig?

I agree with you.  These are completely different players and not 'friends' of anybody involved, so no special treatment.  They are doing an awful lot, with many investigators and LE on what is considered an Aruban Holiday and weekend.  Too costly to be a dog and pony show.

I truly believe somebody is singing like a bird.   Just not sure who yet....

Yes MsD, the same. I think that is why this is so troubling to me. I sure hope the authorities know alot more about the case, and can be certain without doubt that the young mother was negligent in her care of the 3 year old before compounding her sorrow by removing her other child from her care.

I heard it too, Spock. Haven't heard a thing since then. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who heard it, 'cause I'd be questioning my hearing at this point!

I asked Easywriter if he had heard anything, this was his answer:

EasyWriter said...
I know that as of two hours ago nothing was going on at the VDS property. Can't rule anything out at this time, but nothing has been going on there this afternoon.

April 30, 2007 3:24 PM

I don't think so, I don't think he confirmed the driveway dig.

Thanks Klaasend those are heavy charges. ...."assisting in the murder", my bets on Guido.

I don't know a thing more than any of you, but if I had to guess right now, I'd say Guido is the "tipster" if there is one.

Going by the fact that the Sloot house is the target, it doesn't seem like Lorenzo would be the witness. The witness either needed to be at that house during the crime or knows an area where something is placed. I do not know any info that ever placed Lorenzo at that house not even once.

Guido seems like he could have been there (if not for the crime itself) and worked near by and played tennis with Joran. He looks like a logical choice since Joran pissed him off with the book controversy.

I have no info that GVC was ever at the Sloot house.

I am unsure of what "releasing Joran as a suspect" means.... :oops:

I mustve missed something.....

But i agree with you guys...this just seems different...And i think they know a heck of alot more than anyone is able to let on at this point...

Oh, how I wish that wouldve been Paulus in the tree..I wouldve laughed my monkey butt off....lol

We all have to remember that after all the digging, gathering of any kinds of evidence, they must send it off to be tested too. Unless they brought all the equipment with them needed to do so.

JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS AND STEVE
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

Wait, didn't we confirm that Jossy misunderstood the question posed by the reporter on Fox News earlier, and stated the search was related to one of the main suspects (and not the "tip" itself)?

What prompted this new search of the VDS home could have been in response to re-evaluating the evidence in the case, couldn't it have?  If I was forced to place a bet here on who a "tipster" was, it'd be Deepak.  I think he'd have the most to gain in placing sole blame on Joran.  Besides, how long can someone be expected remain silent when your life is at stake?

cbb...I am with you.  They DO need evidence.  They may have some(I doubt it but...) They may be looking hard for something so they can Prosecute to the fullest.  They may be determined...  They may have enough to take it to court, but would like more, if they can possibly find it.

I think we need a transcript of what Jossy actually said.

Anyone have one or has one been posted anywhere?

I have to agree with you on your view about Lorenzo. I think the PIMPs guilty in the disappearance of Natalee ,probably learned the MO from the previous PIMP generation-and Lorenzo was one...having participated heavily in these tourist abductions in the past(this is JMHO) .

oh, i meant the pic of the woman in red.  she looked like Anita, but someone said she is a forensic worker.

(but I may just be confused once again...lol)

Aruba has a rule/law that if a suspect has not been brought to trial and charged as a criminal 2 years after being designated as a suspect, then he must be released as "suspect status". My understanding is that the search that has taken place would be much more difficult to carry out without that status being in place. Because Joran's still a suspect, they merely informed the Sloots they were doing it.
That rule has been waived in this case already, but MSM hasn't toatlly caught on to that fact.

The only thing that worries me is all the missing evidence that was so readily disposed of.  That probably can't be recovered anymore.
So they are going to have to depend on alot of new evidence, praying they find some good stuff for convictions!

There was a link to the actualy broadcast (on YouTube) posted on here earlier.  I didn't save it though...:(

That's exactly right, Third.

Spock, I answered your question pages ago when you asked.  I told you that Yellow Ribbon had linked a video from local Fox channel in Birmingham last night with a local reporter who was in Aruba, which showed the driveway was taped off "like a crime scene," (and I am quoting her, not me).  She said, "This looks like a modest home in a modest neighborhood, such as you would see in Birmimngham (sic)." She said she had spoken with a neighbor, had caught a glance of Paulus who would not respond to her trying to get him to speak.  The neighbor who has a "lot of vegetation in their yard" said the digging and probing had been going on for 2-3 days.  Then I heard on Fox from Jossy and others that the drivway was being dug up today.

That is not an eye-witness account but all I can offer.  I cannot be in Aruba.

I had thought so, although I could have been mistaken.  Wouldn't have been the first time!  ;)

You can see how things get confused sometimes in here though.  Thanks for helping clear that up CBB!!

Here is the video that Thirdstrike is talking about.  Let's watch and see if this is the one with Jossy we are looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJpBJnjl3K4

You hit the nail on the head, Dihanna! I would like to hear they are re-examining what does still exists. The car seats should be re-examined forensically, matresses should be examined for age and luminol tested. carpet ripped up and concrete luminoled. Where's the belt? Where's the bones? Where's the videotape at the casino of Paulus/not Paulus leaving the casino?
If someone really is willing to come forward, it would help tremendously!

That's the one klass!!  Thanks!!

Take a listen...

Also, what's I read about a new arrest in Holland?  Has that been confirmed, or is it yet another inaccuracy in the reporting of this case?

Wouldn't suprise me one bit if it was... :roll:

So question is,  Where did the tip come from and it must be very reliable for them to go through this.

Thanks Klaas! We needed that!

That's what I thought klass.  I'm not sure he got the entire question because of the delay...

But, I believe that interview was today.  CBB, wasn't this the one you saw and reported on in here this morning?

thank you K2  8)

Third - the arrest in Holland was an old story, re. Guido being arrested.

Thirdstrike - you really need to learn how to read back in the thread, LOL.  It was an article from last year when Guido was arrested.

Or, I wonder if the search was a direct result of the re-evaluating of evidence, and not a specific "tip" as described above?  Being the property was not fully (and properly) searched in the beginning of this investigation, could that be why it's being dug up now?  I'd bet my 2 cents this to be the case...

Yes. Didn't you think she was trying to ask if the tip was from one of the main suspects and he answered as if she was asking if it involved the main suspect (Joran)?

Yes, that's the one.  He suggests the search is based not only on conclusions reached by going over the file but on a tip and he thinks he knows who this might be from but won't say who he thinks it is.

Seems to think the tip told them something specific to look for and that is what they are doing.

Says the tip is related to original suspect and that is what they are doing at Joran's house.  He does not say the tip is from an original suspect but rather about one, Joran.

.

Her question was vague so I understand why Jossy answered the way he did.

maybe they found Jorans confession that was so conveniently retracted

Well, nobody said I wasn't LAZY!!  ;)

I did read back a little though.  Somewhere around page 15 or so, I thought someone had referenced it to be that of the old story, but then someone else corrected them by referencing the new date and time...

My bad!

Exactly!  I agree, they most likely have a tip to go along with the file they have been studying.

I understood Jossy to say that though he wasn't certain, he felt the tip came from the MAIN suspect himself and that is why they are there searching at that house.  :?:

Me too: Yes, I understand. I just WANTED him to answer the other way so badly that I caught the difference. She didn't follow up either.

Hopefully Dana will re-ask it tonight!

Hi, Blah!

Yeah, or taped the pieces back tobether!   :D

Dana did get your questions.  Was that one of them?

 :wink:  :wink:

Jossy also said he does not want to say who he thinks the tip might be from so I don't think asking him again any way is going to do much to sway him from that position.

He is not yet prepared to say from whom he thinks any tip might have come.

.

FOX NOW!

It's all in perceptions.....

At work!  transcribe please?

ah, ya never know.  

I say keep asking till he spills it !!!

Yeah, but he might at least confirm or deny the tip as coming from one of either the main suspects, or bit players in this case.  I think that's the inmformation people in here want to know.  I'm not sure anyone wants him to reveal his sources just yet...

i feel SUPER delicious

And if that doesn't work, there's always torture!

 8) Just kidding!

Greta is on FOX now being interviewed by a white haried man. Geez, Greta says "we know she was on a beach..."  Blah, blah.  Greta is spinning.

Greta needs to let go of the CRACK PIPE


my goodness

im not even watching here, but i just read the above post  :x  :x

Went back and listened several more times. Seems I was wrong. Jossy simply says the tip involves the  main suspect (not from the main suspect) and "that is why they are over there searching at that house, the main suspects house."

bbl

going for a power walk through the woods.  I need the excercise :roll:

i read that fast and at first i thought it said


sexercise



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Now Bo Dietl is on.  Says he is still employed by the family.  Why are they just getting around to digging now?  We hope they are doing more than just searching.  That they are talking to others, looking around.  No statute of limitations on murder--Greta says it makes it easier to bring in a suspect if they are still a suspect.  They seem to agree it is a technical differentiation, not a significant one.  Bo says we want good witnesses and physical evidence or dna.

Before Greta comes on tonight, I swear we all need to e-mail "On The Record" and inform them of the content of their own transcripts. They need to drop the yada yada about this 2 year deadline.

Finally John Gibson on FOX says

THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON MURDER. . . ANYWHERE!

And of coures, there isn't.  Otherwise, we'd just all go there to commit murder.

 
Thanks AZ for the transcribing!    :smt050

Maybe some tip/ information was found by whomever (  :?:  :oops: ) broke into Jorans apartment in Holland? Maybe he had journal which his mother encouraged him to write even in jail, photos, computer info?

So let's DO so!  Greta of all people!

I think they are finally getting this figured out.  There is no statute of limitation on murder.  If someone is named a "suspect" it makes it easier to bring them in for questioning and other technical details that really are immaterial in the long run.  The two year deadline is a scam thrown out by Joe Tacky to spin a defense for the Sporter and an explanation for the current search.  I think we'll see this recognized tonight by the MSM.

good thought-what's greta's email anyone know?

 :smt023

Yes, Greta is hung up on the word of a crackhead who lives in a lawn chair in the bushes being a peeping tom on the guests at that HI.

This is her idea of a credible witness because Boeti says what she wants to hear.  And also what Dompig tells him to say.

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Greta as much as said just now on FOX that the two year deadline was a technicality that really doesn't make a difference in this case.

I think Joey and Greta are starting to resemble one another ...same eyes?

K, heading home now to catch up on stuff to free up my night for all this media blitz at 8p-NG, 9p-DP, then 10p-GVS.   See ya'll in awhile!

O/T

Has anyone heard from cubbee lately, or Oldfart? Haven't seen either post in awhile. I hope they are both ok and not having any health issues.
If either of you are lurking, please hop in and say hi to let us know you are both ok.

God bless~

Glenda the witch and Greta the 8itch.  Sort of has a rhythm sound, right?

If we don't make a blitz of this, the whole program will be dominated by it, and it will take a bunch to get their attention.

Ontherecord@foxnews.com

Must be dinner time rush hour back east.  Things are slowing down here.  It's only 2:30 in the afternoon here.  I guess it's time for my siesta.   :lol:

Tyler, you have cracked me up for 2 days! I love your dry sense of humor!  :lol:

She's on a roll, isn't she?   :lol:

lol It's 4:27pm here in NW Florida.