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Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 11:38:32 AM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 04:23:54 PM
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 04:24:55 PM
thats because of the size  of his leg

he is a MONSTER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 04:26:16 PM
Joran's height.  This is a good indication of the height difference between Joran and his father.  This was taken at Sasha's birthday party which I believe was in March or April 2005:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranMarch2005.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:27:27 PM
When Greta interviewed Joran, he said himself he is about 6'2" or 6'3", not 6'5" like everyone posted. So that would make a difference in the shoe size.

I have a cousin who is about 6'3" that wears a size 16 shoe. He has to have his shoes special made for him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 04:28:24 PM
Height - Joran vs Koen - this photo was taken last time Joran was visiting in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoenNew.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Height - Joran vs Koen - this photo was taken last time Joran was visiting in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranKoenNew.jpg)


I searched last night for another Pic of Koen and Joran in same pic and Koen was at least 2 inches shorter..This pic is probably accurate..Joran is at least 6'3 and Koen is at least 6'1 IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:32:18 PM
Bringing one of my comments over from page 49 of the previous discussions.

"Not only does it connect Paulus to Natalee...If you all noticed in the picture of Paulus at the gate speaking with Greta and Beth, Paulus is wearing the same "white" shirt he wore the night before. Guess in a hurry to get out front he just grabbed the first thing available to wear.
The bastage!"


Should of provided picture with this post.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/paul_beth.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/MVC-007S.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 04:34:45 PM
That was not the night before. That was days after when Greta was with Beth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Sue on May 07, 2007, 04:34:55 PM
that pic of joran by the pool with his lap top his feet are fricken HUGE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:36:11 PM
Oops, sorry for blowing the margin. I did resize both pictures. Guess didn't get the pic on left small enough. Sorry Klaas.  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: "*******"
That was not the night before. That was days after when Greta was with Beth.



Ok, but still looks to be same shirt to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
that pic of joran by the pool with his lap top his feet are fricken HUGE


His feet just dont look long to me..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nikkibnurse on May 07, 2007, 04:38:34 PM
I know a guy who is 6'4 and he only wears an 11..very small feet for a guy that tall....I guess it just depends ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Quote from: "*******"
That was not the night before. That was days after when Greta was with Beth.



Ok, but still looks to be same shirt to me.


Your right!! Looks like same shirt to me also..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 04:39:13 PM
dkpen ... same shirt ... excellent observation!

I hope the family is made aware of the comparisons between the casino segment and the photo of Paulus at his gate in regards to the hairline.  Also ... the shirt observation is also very telling.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 04:40:05 PM
Logically, Joran should wear larger than a size 10 1/2

However, Anna and others have a good point and it's more likely Joran claimed he wore a size 14 to throw off the investigation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
dkpen ... same shirt ... excellent observation!

I hope the family is made aware of the comparisons between the casino segment and the photo of Paulus at his gate in regards to the hairline.  Also ... the shirt observation is also very telling.

Janet

Red was going to send all that to Beth and Dave.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 04:41:08 PM
It must be VDS thing.  Joran like to wear the same shirt over and over and ... now it appears that Paulus does too.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 04:42:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
dkpen ... same shirt ... excellent observation!

I hope the family is made aware of the comparisons between the casino segment and the photo of Paulus at his gate in regards to the hairline.  Also ... the shirt observation is also very telling.

Janet

Red was going to send all that to Beth and Dave.


Great!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 04:45:06 PM
DKPen and Kermit- Thank you for the info on the last thread... very nice.

It all goes back to Beth's statement that 'she got what she wanted' from the VDS home visit.

Now, as for the phone taps...

I wonder if it is possible that the 'three kidnappers' are named on any of the wiretaps???

Someone has been listening to the VDS land lines before Natalee went to Aruba...jmo..

I think Beth's statement that Natalee did not make any phone calls is truthful... someone else may have made them... and by the looks of the KLPD only searching (that we know of) the VDS home.. it looks like they have ID'd that as the mystery site.

Now wrap this case up and get these CRIMINAL arrested.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


I see we are talking about shoe size this afternoon, Afternoon Monkeys.

I have to say again that in the pic posted, the sneaker size looks much larger than a 12 when you consider the reported size/height (6"4")  of Joran. That is a good pic for looking at his sneaker size BTW when compared with a few other pics like the one at pool side, where his feet are closer to the lens/camera taking the photo, making them appear bigger.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:46:48 PM
In the comparison pics...not only does the shirt look the same, but the watches and same hairline, nose, chin. I'm telling you all it is Paulus. I saw a clip showing him standing up facing the dealer, smiling and talking. This comparison just more proof for everyone since no one else but IBE saw the video clip I am speaking about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 04:47:13 PM
Quote from: dkpen


(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/paul_beth.jpg)

Also looks like the watch never moved ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Logically, Joran should wear larger than a size 10 1/2

However, Anna and others have a good point and it's more likely Joran claimed he wore a size 14 to throw off the investigation.


Klass ... I agree.

JI just rounded up a pair of my youngest son's sneakers ... he is 5' 11" and ... the sneakers are size 10 1/2 (US).

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 04:50:21 PM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "dkpen"


(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/paul_beth.jpg)

Also looks like the watch never moved ....



Yep, same tilt of the watch. Both pics show the watch is not centered on the wrist but fallen to the side of the wrist.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
When Greta interviewed Joran, he said himself he is about 6'2" or 6'3", not 6'5" like everyone posted. So that would make a difference in the shoe size.

I have a cousin who is about 6'3" that wears a size 16 shoe. He has to have his shoes special made for him.


Infact dkpen in this Greta interview Joran says he is 6'3" or 6'4"

VAN SUSTEREN: How tall are you?

VAN DER SLOOT: Probably 6-4 or 6-3.

VAN SUSTEREN: How much do you weigh?

VAN DER SLOOT: Two-twenty, I think.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so you're big.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
I have a minor theory on the shoe size.

You know how a size 6 dress is now a size 4?

An XL shirt is now XXL?

I have a feeling that shoes are also sized the same..

I used to always wear a size 10.5.. now I wear an 11 or 11.5 or even once in a while, if the shoes are Italian, a 9.5.

Sizes for clothes and shoes seem to be totally up to the manufacturer's discretion.

I have shirts from Gold's Gym that are a medium...and I used to always wear a large dress shirt, but that to have some cut because my neck is 18.5 inches around. Now I have to always buy XL shirts no matter who makes them...and still have them cut.

Now if Joran says he wears a 14.. that could easily be a 12 or a 15... depends on the shoe and the manufacturer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: the big hammer on May 07, 2007, 04:58:08 PM
MBHS Voicemail Message

Kermit writes: "A Twitty family friend tells me that “I don’t know these people” was the code Beth had with her kids just in case."

Gerben said it was "inconclusive."  I don't know about that.

In the absence of accurate phone records, how can the code claim be disproven, by Tacopina, or Carlo, or any of them?

This is an important piece of the case.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
In the comparison pics...not only does the shirt look the same, but the watches and same hairline, nose, chin. I'm telling you all it is Paulus. I saw a clip showing him standing up facing the dealer, smiling and talking. This comparison just more proof for everyone since no one else but IBE saw the video clip I am speaking about.

I've looked everywhere for that complete clip and I can't find it.  It must have been on the original ABC show and not the GMA version.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
dkpen ... same shirt ... excellent observation!

I hope the family is made aware of the comparisons between the casino segment and the photo of Paulus at his gate in regards to the hairline.  Also ... the shirt observation is also very telling.

Janet

Red was going to send all that to Beth and Dave.


Great!!

The watch matches too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I have a minor theory on the shoe size.

You know how a size 6 dress is now a size 4?

An XL shirt is now XXL?

I have a feeling that shoes are also sized the same..

I used to always wear a size 10.5.. now I wear an 11 or 11.5 or even once in a while, if the shoes are Italian, a 9.5.

Sizes for clothes and shoes seem to be totally up to the manufacturer's discretion.

I have shirts from Gold's Gym that are a medium...and I used to always wear a large dress shirt, but that to have some cut because my neck is 18.5 inches around. Now I have to always buy XL shirts no matter who makes them...and still have them cut.
Now if Joran says he wears a 14.. that could easily be a 12 or a 15... depends on the shoe and the manufacturer.


Woohoo Rob, pump it up!   :smt003


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:13:44 PM
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: vms on May 07, 2007, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


I see we are talking about shoe size this afternoon, Afternoon Monkeys.

I have to say again that in the pic posted, the sneaker size looks much larger than a 12 when you consider the reported size/height (6"4")  of Joran. That is a good pic for looking at his sneaker size BTW when compared with a few other pics like the one at pool side, where his feet are closer to the lens/camera taking the photo, making them appear bigger.

This pic was in 2002.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:15:29 PM
i bet the k2 brothers wear a size 10

he probably planted a size 10 on the beach

he has thrown the K2's away several times 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Not only are they incompetant, but they are liars who refuse to step up and tell the truth and stop with the cover-up.

One day the entire truth will be revealed. I just hope it's sooner than later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: "vms"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


I see we are talking about shoe size this afternoon, Afternoon Monkeys.

I have to say again that in the pic posted, the sneaker size looks much larger than a 12 when you consider the reported size/height (6"4")  of Joran. That is a good pic for looking at his sneaker size BTW when compared with a few other pics like the one at pool side, where his feet are closer to the lens/camera taking the photo, making them appear bigger.

This pic was in 2002.


he has aged TERRIBLY

im 4 times his age and look 10 times better  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Not only are they incompetant, but they are liars who refuse to step up and tell the truth and stop with the cover-up.

One day the entire truth will be revealed. I just hope it's sooner than later.


im sure everyone is tired of it
but im still 100 percent confident the DUTCH are gonna get them all  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:18:05 PM
those shoes are bigger than his head
and we know his head is big


size 14

BET THE FARM  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Robots- He is closer to wearing a 12-13-14-15 than a 9.5- 10.5 or 115...imo...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Robots- He is closer to wearing a 12-13-14-15 than a 9.5- 10.5 or 115...imo...


yep  8)  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:19:51 PM
im serious they are LONGER than his head

 8)  

size 10....... nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
I looked at the witness statements and it doesn't seem like Paulus was ever asked if he had met Natalee at the casino. Paulus was present at Joran's first statement athough no copies appear to have survived, and pages are missing from the PVDS interviews.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 05:22:07 PM
well, the germaphobic is going out to eat :x  :x  :x  :x

course, im not going to eat...im just going to sit there and pretend to be happy and hope to get out alive

YUCK   YUCK YUCK  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

be back later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I looked at the witness statements and it doesn't seem like Paulus was ever asked if he had met Natalee at the casino. Paulus was present at Joran's first statement athough no copies appear to have survived, and pages are missing from the PVDS interviews.


Spock.. doesn't one of Paulus' PV's go like page 1 - page 2 - page 3 missing page 4???????

It just stops altogether????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
I looked at the witness statements and it doesn't seem like Paulus was ever asked if he had met Natalee at the casino. Paulus was present at Joran's first statement athough no copies appear to have survived, and pages are missing from the PVDS interviews.


Spock.. doesn't one of Paulus' PV's go like page 1 - page 2 - page 3 missing page 4???????

It just stops altogether????

Yep, it's a mess, and when he was investigated as a suspect his answers are so ambigious as to be unbeliveable and unusable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 05:32:24 PM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/MexicoCity.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 05:34:46 PM
I do recall a statement from Paulus somewhere where he said he had never met the girl. It may have come from an interview and not from a police statement. Can anyone find him saying that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: "*******"
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


I agree with you.  I wear a 13 and am 6' tall but my shoes look bigger than this pic


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: dkpen on May 07, 2007, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "*******"
I know its extremely difficult to judge his shoe size but I am looking at the shoe in perspective to his ankle. It just does not look like size 14.IMO..If I was sitting next to him I am almost sure my shoes would be bigger..I wear size 12.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/158069346_90d8aee97a.jpg)


I agree with you.  I wear a 13 and am 6' tall but my shoes look bigger than this pic


Joran was only about 14 yrs old in this pic. I'm sure his foot has grown since then.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
When Greta interviewed Joran, he said himself he is about 6'2" or 6'3", not 6'5" like everyone posted. So that would make a difference in the shoe size.

I have a cousin who is about 6'3" that wears a size 16 shoe. He has to have his shoes special made for him.


I would guess that a size 14 shoe would be VERY hard to get in Aruba without special ordering it, especially if you want it in a specific style.  I wear a 13 and have a hard time finding shoes in the style I want and I live not too far out of Detroit!  I often have to settle for shoes that dont fit perfectly or styles that I dont exactly want.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 07, 2007, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: "blah"

I agree with you.  I wear a 13 and am 6' tall but my shoes look bigger than this pic


I wear a 4 and am 5' tall.

Everybody's shoes look HUGE to me.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 05:42:00 PM
Thanks for the holiday avi CBB!!! Ange told me you had a crotch rocket waiting for me in the lounge, lol!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 05:43:22 PM
I hate to say this... but my first thought when I saw that picture was ~'he looks like Marmaduke in that picture'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I looked at the witness statements and it doesn't seem like Paulus was ever asked if he had met Natalee at the casino. Paulus was present at Joran's first statement athough no copies appear to have survived, and pages are missing from the PVDS interviews.


Yep. They didn't wanna know, Spock. Those missing pages in PVDS' statement are very suspicious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:45:43 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I have a minor theory on the shoe size.

You know how a size 6 dress is now a size 4?

An XL shirt is now XXL?

I have a feeling that shoes are also sized the same..

I used to always wear a size 10.5.. now I wear an 11 or 11.5 or even once in a while, if the shoes are Italian, a 9.5.

Sizes for clothes and shoes seem to be totally up to the manufacturer's discretion.

I have shirts from Gold's Gym that are a medium...and I used to always wear a large dress shirt, but that to have some cut because my neck is 18.5 inches around. Now I have to always buy XL shirts no matter who makes them...and still have them cut.

Now if Joran says he wears a 14.. that could easily be a 12 or a 15... depends on the shoe and the manufacturer.


I have been wearing a size 13 for the last 15 years at least.  Sometimes a wear a 12 depending on the manufacturer.  Never a 14.  I have a good friend that wears a 14 and it makes my 13 look small.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 05:46:23 PM
I used to wear a large shirt and now I wear an XL.  My pants also got bigger for some reason………   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 05:47:52 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I hate to say this... but my first thought when I saw that picture was ~'he looks like Marmaduke in that picture'.



LOL Rob. Same blockhead. You could hammer horseshoes on that flat spot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: "robots"
those shoes are bigger than his head
and we know his head is big


size 14

BET THE FARM  8)




 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x


Robots- He is closer to wearing a 12-13-14-15 than a 9.5- 10.5 or 115...imo...


You may be right, so hard to tell from a picture.  The thing is, its really not that important to figure out his shoe size, this is something that can easily be confirmed when the time comes for trial or whatever.  Its not like his foot is going to shrink or anything.  Its probably pretty much done growing too I would guess.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:53:39 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "blah"

I agree with you.  I wear a 13 and am 6' tall but my shoes look bigger than this pic


I wear a 4 and am 5' tall.

Everybody's shoes look HUGE to me.  :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I used to wear a large shirt and now I wear an XL.  My pants also got bigger for some reason………   :?


whenever you figure out whats causing it, let me know !! :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 06:01:13 PM
I havent followed the whole shoe discussion but if I remember correctly - Joran told the detective that he wears a size 14 but when the detective asked him to remove his shoe, he found Joran was wearing a 10 or 10.5, right?

This makes sense if he really does wear a 14 but could only find a size 10 or 10.5 in the same style as the 14's he had to ditch on short notice.  I'm sure he probably has to special order size 14's in whatever style he wants.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: "blah"
I havent followed the whole shoe discussion but if I remember correctly - Joran told the detective that he wears a size 14 but when the detective asked him to remove his shoe, he found Joran was wearing a 10 or 10.5, right?

This makes sense if he really does wear a 14 but could only find a size 10 or 10.5 in the same style as the 14's he had to ditch on short notice.  I'm sure he probably has to special order size 14's in whatever style he wants.


That's the story as I remember it and some thought it was a very important piece of evidence.  Then nothing......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "blah"
I havent followed the whole shoe discussion but if I remember correctly - Joran told the detective that he wears a size 14 but when the detective asked him to remove his shoe, he found Joran was wearing a 10 or 10.5, right?

This makes sense if he really does wear a 14 but could only find a size 10 or 10.5 in the same style as the 14's he had to ditch on short notice.  I'm sure he probably has to special order size 14's in whatever style he wants.


That's the story as I remember it and some thought it was a very important piece of evidence.  Then nothing......


i dont think its that important really.  His shoe size can be confirmed when it needs to be.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 06:13:22 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I used to wear a large shirt and now I wear an XL.  My pants also got bigger for some reason………   :?

I've been working and lurking but this made me LOLOL  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
I have a minor theory on the shoe size.

You know how a size 6 dress is now a size 4?

An XL shirt is now XXL?

I have a feeling that shoes are also sized the same..

I used to always wear a size 10.5.. now I wear an 11 or 11.5 or even once in a while, if the shoes are Italian, a 9.5.

Sizes for clothes and shoes seem to be totally up to the manufacturer's discretion.

I have shirts from Gold's Gym that are a medium...and I used to always wear a large dress shirt, but that to have some cut because my neck is 18.5 inches around. Now I have to always buy XL shirts no matter who makes them...and still have them cut.

Now if Joran says he wears a 14.. that could easily be a 12 or a 15... depends on the shoe and the manufacturer.


I have been wearing a size 13 for the last 15 years at least.  Sometimes a wear a 12 depending on the manufacturer.  Never a 14.  I have a good friend that wears a 14 and it makes my 13 look small.


Hey Blah...You have a picture of your size 13's?..It may be just me but I do not see his feet being long in any of the pics. I know I know..He should be wearing a size 14 being that tall I just havent seen it. Size 14 long as heck....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "blah"
I havent followed the whole shoe discussion but if I remember correctly - Joran told the detective that he wears a size 14 but when the detective asked him to remove his shoe, he found Joran was wearing a 10 or 10.5, right?

This makes sense if he really does wear a 14 but could only find a size 10 or 10.5 in the same style as the 14's he had to ditch on short notice.  I'm sure he probably has to special order size 14's in whatever style he wants.


That's the story as I remember it and some thought it was a very important piece of evidence.  Then nothing......


Your right..All of Aruba was looking for those shoes.. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 06:18:20 PM
Good Day Monkeys :)

Just peeking in to see what's UP.. and I get to see all these pics of Creep -O and  Mom's see thru top   :smt078 :twisted:

Bummer...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
I have a minor theory on the shoe size.

You know how a size 6 dress is now a size 4?

An XL shirt is now XXL?

I have a feeling that shoes are also sized the same..

I used to always wear a size 10.5.. now I wear an 11 or 11.5 or even once in a while, if the shoes are Italian, a 9.5.

Sizes for clothes and shoes seem to be totally up to the manufacturer's discretion.

I have shirts from Gold's Gym that are a medium...and I used to always wear a large dress shirt, but that to have some cut because my neck is 18.5 inches around. Now I have to always buy XL shirts no matter who makes them...and still have them cut.

Now if Joran says he wears a 14.. that could easily be a 12 or a 15... depends on the shoe and the manufacturer.


I have been wearing a size 13 for the last 15 years at least.  Sometimes a wear a 12 depending on the manufacturer.  Never a 14.  I have a good friend that wears a 14 and it makes my 13 look small.


Hey Blah...You have a picture of your size 13's?..It may be just me but I do not see his feet being long in any of the pics. I know I know..He should be wearing a size 14 being that tall I just havent seen it. Size 14 long as heck....


I dont have a picture but its going to be very hard to tell by looking at a picture anyhow.  I did just step on a tape measure though and it (my SHOE :smt018 ) measures ~12.75 inches.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "blah"
I havent followed the whole shoe discussion but if I remember correctly - Joran told the detective that he wears a size 14 but when the detective asked him to remove his shoe, he found Joran was wearing a 10 or 10.5, right?

This makes sense if he really does wear a 14 but could only find a size 10 or 10.5 in the same style as the 14's he had to ditch on short notice.  I'm sure he probably has to special order size 14's in whatever style he wants.


That's the story as I remember it and some thought it was a very important piece of evidence.  Then nothing......


i dont think its that important really.  His shoe size can be confirmed when it needs to be.


I always thought it was a strange Ah Ha moment, but we were never told the whole story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 06:22:36 PM
BTW...

Not that I give a hoot about shoes &  sizes   but they say for most people that your forearm (from indside of elbow to wrist) is same lenght as your foot   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I used to wear a large shirt and now I wear an XL.  My pants also got bigger for some reason………   :?

I've been working and lurking but this made me LOLOL  :lol:  :lol:


lol  No one got my picture joke.  Over the weekend 18,000 people got naked for a photographer in Mexico City.  That particular pose hit me as funny and made me think about the guy that got stuck in the wrong row and column. lol lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
BTW...

Not that I give a hoot about shoes &  sizes   but they say for most people that your forearm (from indside of elbow to wrist) is same lenght as your foot   :shock:


Ut Oh!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 06:26:20 PM
Just goin through my Pics before I switch over to my PC. Here's a Pic of one of the ATA members in Boston. Cutey huh guys? When the conversation switched to Carlos and Charlies..I had to mention what Dennis Jacobs told Dave about watching her drink at that place..After that someone passed her a note...Probably telling her to shut up..lol

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/IM000743.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 06:29:08 PM
I dont have a picture but its going to be very hard to tell by looking at a picture anyhow. I did just step on a tape measure though and it (my SHOE  ) measures ~12.75 inches.


You are right..However I just got done looking at Michael Jordans size 13..They look so much longer than Joran's feet..

OkOk..I will drop talking about shoe sizes for now.. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Just goin through my Pics before I switch over to my PC. Here's a Pic of one of the ATA members in Boston. Cutey huh guys? When the conversation switched to Carlos and Charlies..I had to mention what Dennis Jacobs told Dave about watching her drink at that place..After that someone passed her a note...Probably telling her to shut up..lol



Maybe next time you can get a Mt Brook Alabama booth right across the hallway from the Aruba booth and post big pics of Natalee all over it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 06:35:25 PM
Yesterday it was reported that a rash of 911 calls went out across the country during the afternoon.  The symptoms were all identical.  People were stuck in the shape of a pretzel with a tennis shoe in one hand and a mouse in the other.  No explanation was immediately known for this sudden outbreak of pretzelitus.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "*******"
Just goin through my Pics before I switch over to my PC. Here's a Pic of one of the ATA members in Boston. Cutey huh guys? When the conversation switched to Carlos and Charlies..I had to mention what Dennis Jacobs told Dave about watching her drink at that place..After that someone passed her a note...Probably telling her to shut up..lol



Maybe next time you can get a Mt Brook Alabama booth right across the hallway from the Aruba booth and post big pics of Natalee all over it.


Thats a good idea.. :P Wish I had a extra 20,000 or whatever they payed for the small booth..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 07, 2007, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Yesterday it was reported that a rash of 911 calls went out across the country during the afternoon.  The symptoms were all identical.  People were stuck in the shape of a pretzel with a tennis shoe in one hand and a mouse in the other.  No explanation was immediately known for this sudden outbreak of pretzelitus.


And our Sleuth had the worst case of it.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Silverfox on May 07, 2007, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Joran's height.  This is a good indication of the height difference between Joran and his father.  This was taken at Sasha's birthday party which I believe was in March or April 2005:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranMarch2005.jpg)


His own mother?  Unbelievable!

nice to be photographed next to mama who is wearing a "see through"  righit?  NOT!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 07, 2007, 06:42:22 PM
My son wears a size 14 shoe. I'll look for a picture and post it. They look like small boats.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x



Did you ever read the article I posted from Jossy?  The Dutch interrogator took his hand and felt to see if there was plenty of room for Joran's toes.

In the article I posted, it clearly states, if you would bother to read it, that it was one of the special Dutch interrogators that were sent to deal with just Joran and not ALE doing anything with this shoe business.

I really think he would have noticed if the toes were scrunched and the heel at the back, etc.

He manually confirmed that Joran was wearing a 10.5 in jail and had been for some time and that it was a very nice fit.

There is no way to scrunch toes that cannot be felt through the shoe and he took his own fingers and confirmed there was sufficient room at the end of the shoe for the toes.

It doesn't matter what we think, Joran was comfortably wearing a 10.5 with room to spare.

Or Jossy made the whole thing up.

Can't be both ways.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 06:51:38 PM
Got here just in time

Oldfart
It's your turn to size and  picture foot and forearm.  Yesterday's thread covered the rest of us.  :lol:

PVDS...could have left the poker tourn...and then returned for some blackjack.

Haley was the name of a bad cop.  If I was the FBI and thought there was a "girls bottle" behind the bar...I might send someone undercover to see...

Most of the kids go to school in FL.  I bet even Max Arends (who happens to be on the island) has a FL area code on his phone. But would those phones be Setar traceable??

IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 06:55:08 PM
Oh great, now its the bee's.  What the heck are they gonna come up with next.

I'm so sick and tired of this "we are DOOMED" mentality, I just cant take this BS anymore.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 07, 2007, 06:56:41 PM
Hey buckeye! Want an avatar?  :wink:
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/be4.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/be4.gif


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: "robots"
well, the germaphobic is going out to eat :x  :x  :x  :x

course, im not going to eat...im just going to sit there and pretend to be happy and hope to get out alive

YUCK   YUCK YUCK  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x

be back later



hehehe you are toooooo funny


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:03:29 PM
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an

unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and

cattle ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well-known

incident which many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force

and the federal government. In fact, there were many reported sightings

all over the country that night.



However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly

nine months after that historic day, the following "persons" were born:

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William Jefferson Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep...?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: A's Fever on May 07, 2007, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "dkpen"
When Greta interviewed Joran, he said himself he is about 6'2" or 6'3", not 6'5" like everyone posted. So that would make a difference in the shoe size.

I have a cousin who is about 6'3" that wears a size 16 shoe. He has to have his shoes special made for him.


Infact dkpen in this Greta interview Joran says he is 6'3" or 6'4"

VAN SUSTEREN: How tall are you?

VAN DER SLOOT: Probably 6-4 or 6-3.

VAN SUSTEREN: How much do you weigh?

VAN DER SLOOT: Two-twenty, I think.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so you're big.



This sounds strange!  If they use the metric system on Aruba, why is he describing his height in feet and inches?  Unless he was coached to?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 07:06:56 PM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=385


JORAN 08/08/2005 Dutch Interrigators Statement
(translated by Ramm at BFN)

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.

The suspect did not respond.

After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing. He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.

The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.

The suspect did not respond.


The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:06:56 PM
Well, Blah- that certainly explains it.  :P  I had no other explanation and no one else did either!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 07:08:25 PM
CBB

I usually wait for something big...but since you actually found a buckeye....thanks soooo much.   :smt007  :smt023


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:08:44 PM
Here is the article by Jossy again.

Note it is NOT ALE that felt of Joran's foot in the Size 10.5 but one of the Dutch interrogators.  I assume this is one of the ones specially trained to deal with juveniles that were called in before.  Those are the only Dutch interrogators I know of being in Aruba before now.

Please read the article for it clearly states Joran was comfortably wearing the 10.5.

We seldom have anything even close to this kind of documentation of anything and I don't understand why it is still such a controversy after his foot was found to fit nicely into the 10.5.  I don't think a person who wears a 14 would go out and buy a new pair four sizes too small.
Sun May 06, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject:    

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Anna wrote:
Case of Natalee: report shows formal deceit
Joran van der Sloot’s feet grow and shrink almost 4 sizes from one day to the otherDIARIO Aruba
05/08/2006



ORANJESTAD (AAN) --- Those of a little advanced or respectable age can still remember the time where there was an alcoholic beverage that was called ‘foot sweller’.

This alcoholic beverage, it was said, that those who drank too much of it, their feet swelled and because of this they called the drink ‘foot sweller’, but who can believe that in the year 2005 there are people in Aruba whose feet really swell or grow almost 4 sizes from one day to the other?

This was the case of the suspect Joran van der Sloot, who is currently peacefully studying in Holland and Aruba itself is stuck with the case of Natalee, and in the US they are trying in every way to organize and implement all sorts of boycotts and acts that could harm Aruba in the wide sense of the word.



This is not an attempt to cast guilt on Joran van der Sloot in the case of Natalee, but the fact is that the majority of people in the community is very angry in regards to the case of Natalee causing a negative impact on the economic situation, the image of the people of Aruba and surely, for the island’s tourism.


Too many changing declarations, formal deceit by the suspects and the very strange way in which the authorities, who have to be competent, have proceeded have today stuck Aruba in a very bad situation in regards to Natalee’s case and those who know the truth remain quiet believing that in this way, they can evade guilt of any involvement or any violation of the law.

From the copies of different police reports, today readers themselves can read how Joran van der Sloot, who until today for inexplicable reasons ‘supposedly’ left his expensive brand name running shoes at the beach on the night he was with Natalee, according to the version he gave police.

Police came up with the matter of the running shoes or it was Joran himself who started talking about the running shoes of an expensive brand name, size 14? From the police report of June 14, 2005, readers can read how Joran himself declared that he took off his size 14 running shoes and left them on the beach.

On June 29, 2005, he again repeated to police that he left his size 14 running shoes on the beach. The strange thing is that on August 2, 2005, after so many interrogations had already taken place, Joran van der Sloot in a car heading back to KIA, told a Dutch police officer who came to Aruba especially to interrogate the suspects, that Joran had on some K-Swiss running shoes that he borrowed from a fellow prisoner.

At no moment did the Dutch police officer ask Joran something, it was Joran himself who started talking with the police officer, as can been seen from the police report.

Now, the question is: was Joran brought from the first day to KIA shoeless and had no shoes to wear that it was a fellow prisoner who had to lend Joran a pair of running shoes?

Van der Sloot’s parents couldn’t bring shoes for Joran to wear, and someone from the prison had to lend him some shoes, and to top it all off they were K-Swiss brand?

By the way, at KIA they have to register, as in the majority of prisons around the world, what shoes and other belongings each person comes in with, yes or no? On August 8, 2005, the same Dutch police officer asked Joran to take off his shoe, which was a K-Swiss brand running shoe.

Joran asked to see his lawyer and wanted to find his lawyer’s support, but his lawyer didn’t even look at Joran and started to write (in local dialect, you deal with your problems!) After the Dutch police officer insisted, Joran took off the running shoe and handed it over across the table.

The police officer asked Joran how in the supposed day that he was with Natalee on the beach, he had size 14 K-Swiss running shoes, then how was the one that Joran put on the table size 10.5?

After Joran put his running shoe back on, the police pressed on the tip of the running shoes, and observed that the shoes were a good fit on Joran, and Joran didn’t react!

The matter of the size 14 K-Swiss running shoes is ‘too good to be true’. Was it the shark that Natalee supposedly wanted to see at the North shore that left with Joran van der Sloot’s size 14 running shoes?


// posted by Getagrip @ 5/10/2006 04:17:00 PM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_05_07_archive.html


Until proven otherwise, I will have to go with Jossy on this.


.


So Joran is likely to grow until he is 21 as most males tend to do. He will then be 6'8" wearing a Size 20 shoe!

LOAD ALERT!!

He is prolly about 6'3" now. I have a son that height and since we seem to tend to believe what size shoe others wear more than what an examination of Joran's foot in a Size 10.5 showed, he wears an 11 narrow

Tall people with smallest feet do NOT topple over. They do tend to turn their ankles often which is fairly common.

I don't understand how if his foot was measured in the 10.5 and it was a very comfortable fit, so much so that he was wearing a brand new pair just that size, why this is still a big mystery.

His foot was measured inside a 10.5 and it fit nicely according to Dutch interrogator.Feet, nose and ears continue to grow. By the time Joran is 40, what size shoe will he be wearing?

And if he is 6'5" why isn't he very much taller than anybody else except for his short stocky mother? He isn't and neither does he wear a 14 shoe!

JMO

.
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Well, Blah- that certainly explains it.  :P  I had no other explanation and no one else did either!!!!


it all makes sense now huh?

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 07, 2007, 07:12:15 PM
This is a 16 year old with a size 14 shoe. They're baseball cleats and they're black, but they're size 14.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MMcopy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 07:13:44 PM
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
This is a 16 year old with a size 14 shoe. They're baseball cleats and they're black, but they're size 14.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MMcopy.jpg)


now if we could just get a Dutch detective to feel his toes.....




 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:13:58 PM
'Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled. '

This one always makes me think WTF?!?!?!?!?

Ak, so Missster mudderah vapist girl disappeareh, Ve vish vu a very appy birthday and many more vonderful years in vour carveer as a mudderin vaptin psychopaf.

Vhat vood vu lik fa ya very very speciah day? Shoe are nice!

WTF!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 07, 2007, 07:14:09 PM
If it helps with the perspective, My photo is of a much more muscular frame than Joran's. His legs are bulkier than Joran's.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:14:43 PM
Thank you Janet for posting that.

That statement may well be the source for Jossy's article that I have posted so many times.

I am very glad to know that it is in the official record and the shoe size confirmed for that at least even if some don't want to believe it.

 :roll:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an

unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and

cattle ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well-known

incident which many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force

and the federal government. In fact, there were many reported sightings

all over the country that night.



However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly

nine months after that historic day, the following "persons" were born:

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William Jefferson Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep...?


Add my brother to the list ... he was born on April 1, 1948 ... it explains a lot of things.  As a kid I always told him he must have been adopted.

blah ... I cannot wait to relate this research to him.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
This is a 16 year old with a size 14 shoe. They're baseball cleats and they're black, but they're size 14.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MMcopy.jpg)


Yup..I havent seen any pics yet that Joran's feet are that big..14's are huuuge!!

BTW:I have worn about the same size shoe since I was 14..At most maybee 1/2 inch bigger.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 07:23:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


Anna

I know.  I totally agree.  There is not much we know as fact but I do believe the kid (as big as he is) wears a 10.5 K Swiss.  For all I know Jacobs told him to say 14 or he changed a size 11 receipt to a size 14.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 07:23:47 PM
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Thank you Janet for posting that.

That statement may well be the source for Jossy's article that I have posted so many times.

I am very glad to know that it is in the official record and the shoe size confirmed for that at least even if some don't want to believe it.

 :roll:

.



It's easy to get a size 10 1/2 foot into a size 14 tennis shoe. It is near impossible to get a size 14 foot into a size 10 1/2 tennis shoe. (I wear 10 1/2 and can't get mine into a 9, and that's only a size and a half reduction). I'll go with the 10 1/2 as Joran's shoe size.

Thanks for that statement Janet. It makes it pretty clear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:25:38 PM
It's in the record as Janet posted that the Dutch (not ALE as erroneously stated by ROBOTS who refuses to read the article and statement posted by Janet from the record/dossier) confirmed the shoe size of Joran as 10.5.

No way around that.

I'd say he is the shortest height he admitted to being which would be the Great interview at 6'3".

Like everything else, he is exaggerating his height as he feels it in some way enhances his appearance.  After all, according to Joran, Natalee was the aggressor and really after him!  Sure she was, Joran--NOT!
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.



Why would he be upset unless he was caught in a lie?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 07:26:34 PM
It's hard to tell.....

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/jclown.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 07:27:00 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Anna"
Thank you Janet for posting that.

That statement may well be the source for Jossy's article that I have posted so many times.

I am very glad to know that it is in the official record and the shoe size confirmed for that at least even if some don't want to believe it.

 :roll:

.



It's easy to get a size 10 1/2 foot into a size 14 tennis shoe. It is near impossible to get a size 14 foot into a size 10 1/2 tennis shoe. (I wear 10 1/2 and can't get mine into a 9, and that's only a size and a half reduction). I'll go with the 10 1/2 as Joran's shoe size.

Thanks for that statement Janet. It makes it pretty clear.

That my brother is an alien ... I am glad that you agree Dayhiker.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 07:29:15 PM
OT It seems the search is on going for the little abducted girl from Portugal. The police there feel they may have a description of the man who took the little girl from her resort room as she slept. [/b]
++++++++


Sousa said the hunt for a suspect, whose picture had been drawn on the basis of witnesses, was just "one of the elements of the investigation". He said he would not risk making an estimate about when the police could find Madeleine.

"We are treating it as the disappearance of a minor in circumstances that are still not been completely clear, but kidnap has not been ruled out as a possibility," Sousa said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4052321a12.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.



Good find, Spock. I'm damn curious as to how they knew to ask the  Automotive Enterprises guy ask that. Do we know when and why Deepak had his car in this person's shop?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Sue on May 07, 2007, 07:30:39 PM
US Size,  Europe Size and UK size for K-Swiss
10.5             44.0                   9.5


14.0              49.0                 13.0

These are size conversions  

So If Joran wore a 14 US size but purchased somewhere else size on shoe
should be a 13  Possible UK size....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.


It certainly does Spock.

Sounds like somebody was going through her pockets to me as I don't think she was carrying a purse.

Denim skirts fit much like jeans.  You can't just ram a big hand down in the pockets any more than jeans and the fabric doesn't give that much.

So why was Deepak not asked how he knew this?

Because ALE didn't want to know.  Or he was asked and we just don't have the statement with his answers?

Do we have all the Deepak statements requested by Dr. Phil?

Has anyone checked that we do in fact have them and Deepak was not asked about how he knew this?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It's hard to tell.....

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h122/EasyWriter/jclown.gif)


LOL Easy. Joran got supersized!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "blah"
Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an

unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and

cattle ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well-known

incident which many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force

and the federal government. In fact, there were many reported sightings

all over the country that night.



However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly

nine months after that historic day, the following "persons" were born:

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
John F. Kerry
William Jefferson Clinton
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer

See what happens when aliens breed with sheep...?


Add my brother to the list ... he was born on April 1, 1948 ... it explains a lot of things.  As a kid I always told him he must have been adopted.

blah ... I cannot wait to relate this research to him.

Janet


Be very careful, dont want him sending the mothership after you, they could turn you into this !!!!!

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/ScaryHillaryClinton.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:36:31 PM
Quote from: "Sue"
US Size,  Europe Size and UK size for K-Swiss
10.5             44.0                   9.5


14.0              49.0                 13.0

These are size conversions  

So If Joran wore a 14 US size but purchased somewhere else size on shoe
should be a 13  Possible UK size....


But why was he wearing a 10.5 that fit comfortably in jail?

I don't think it is the shoe size that matters but the fact that Joran claimed to have left a pair at the Fisherman's Hut which he may have taken from the racket club, not even his own shoes.  He was trying to place physical evidence at the beach to lead away from the real crime scene by claiming to have left his shoes.

It would appear he planted a pair or one Size 14 to try to establish that he was really at the beach.  Too bad he couldn't find a pair the size he actually wore.  And too bad no one found them where he had put them to be found, prolly somebody stole them instead of turning them in as he had planned.

l


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.


I think this guy was told something and he might have repeated it.  The ALE wants it to go on record by his own admission that he knew nothing about it.

This reminds me of the rumor about the Sloots having two maids and one of them saying that there was sand all in Joran pants.  I always thought the sand she was talking about was really blood.  Why would sand be a big deal when you have an entire island full of it.  Like in this case the ALE brought in another maid saying nothing of another maid or something like that.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=44698#44698


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 07, 2007, 07:37:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:37:48 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.



Good find, Spock. I'm damn curious as to how they knew to ask the  Automotive Enterprises guy ask that. Do we know when and why Deepak had his car in this person's shop?



Dayhiker-
And I haven't seen anywhere Deepak answers those questions as to how he knew those items were on Natalee's possession and how the AE guy knew those specific details..

let's flash back ~ he is worried the first nite the phone is bugged and the computer is being monitored, yet he tells the AE guy these important details?

Something else is not right here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 07:39:06 PM
Hi Monkeys.    We do not know where the shoes were purchased.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that Anita may have ordered shoes on the web for her sons and from both Mexico and/or the US.  

I think everyone is disregarding the shoe size chart that was posted a couple days ago.  It's at http://www.shoesizeguy.com/.    

On this chart, a Mexican size 12 1/2 is equivalent to a US size 14 (male).  The chart also states this size shoe is 11 1/4" long.

Now, here's where it gets interesting.  A Mexican size 10 is equivalent to a US 11 1/2 (male) and US 13 (female).  The chart states this shoe is 11" long--only 1/4" shorter than the US size 14 (male).

So, I can see why the shoe size is inconsistent.  Perhaps the shoes he wore the night Natalee disappeared new and were size 14 (male) purchased in US and bought a bit large as he is growing and shoes are expensive.  He would have liked those shoes!  

Perhaps the shoes he had on in KIA were his old ones, maybe a year or so old, that Anita had purchased from Mexico online, and they showed a size 10 1/5-- just a bit smaller than the new ones he wore on May 29 which were purchased in a size a bit large and from the US.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT



Me, too.  I think those were the very shoes he wore that night and he was gloating.

JMO

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

I don't think it is the shoe size that matters but the fact that Joran claimed to have left a pair at the Fisherman's Hut which he may have taken from the racket club, not even his own shoes.  He was trying to place physical evidence at the beach to lead away from the real crime scene by claiming to have left his shoes.

It would appear he planted a pair or one Size 14 to try to establish that he was really at the beach.  Too bad he couldn't find a pair the size he actually wore.  And too bad no one found them where he had put them to be found, prolly somebody stole them instead of turning them in as he had planned.

l



True, it is not the shoe size that matters, it's the lie. He perpetuated the size 14 K-swiss lie and eventually got trapped. Did anyone at the racquet club had their size 14 k-swiss shoes stolen as per Ado's theory?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.


It certainly does Spock.

Sounds like somebody was going through her pockets to me as I don't think she was carrying a purse.

Denim skirts fit much like jeans.  You can't just ram a big hand down in the pockets any more than jeans and the fabric doesn't give that much.

So why was Deepak not asked how he knew this?

Because ALE didn't want to know.  Or he was asked and we just don't have the statement with his answers?

Do we have all the Deepak statements requested by Dr. Phil?

Has anyone checked that we do in fact have them and Deepak was not asked about how he knew this?

.


I can prove he (Deepak) was there when she was either dead or unconscious. It's easy.

When Natalee was out, and maybe very out or dead, Deepak, and Joran looked at her license to see exactly who she was and where she was from... it's logical. And they knew right then, someone was going to be coming for her.

If you saw a person lying unconscious, the first thing you would do it see if the person is alive or dead. The you would look to see if the person has any ID.

It's natural. Every one would do the same thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 07, 2007, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Got here just in time

Oldfart
It's your turn to size and  picture foot and forearm.  Yesterday's thread covered the rest of us.  :lol:

PVDS...could have left the poker tourn...and then returned for some blackjack.

Haley was the name of a bad cop.  If I was the FBI and thought there was a "girls bottle" behind the bar...I might send someone undercover to see...

Most of the kids go to school in FL.  I bet even Max Arends (who happens to be on the island) has a FL area code on his phone. But would those phones be Setar traceable??

IMO


I live in Alabama and my cell phone has a NY state area code.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:43:22 PM
Ado also suggested Lost and Found.

If it truly was only one shoe, maybe that is why.  There was only one in the Lost and Found section at the racket club, a place that wouldn't likely be locked and that he had access to as an intern there.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:43:40 PM
its a scientific fact that talking about shoes too much can do this to you...

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/woodchuck123/hillary_funny.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT



Me, too.  I think those were the very shoes he wore that night and he was gloating.

JMO

.


Why did she not ask him when/how did he get them back?  Stupid Greta could have nailed him to the wall on this but gave him a pass (and probably a little nookie too)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:45:42 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.



Good find, Spock. I'm damn curious as to how they knew to ask the  Automotive Enterprises guy ask that. Do we know when and why Deepak had his car in this person's shop?



Dayhiker-
And I haven't seen anywhere Deepak answers those questions as to how he knew those items were on Natalee's possession and how the AE guy knew those specific details..

let's flash back ~ he is worried the first nite the phone is bugged and the computer is being monitored, yet he tells the AE guy these important details?

Something else is not right here.



Deepak is no genius and gives away a lot in his statements. This one appears to be missing. But then he tells Skeeters the judges won't f*** with him because he "knows too much", that pretty much sums up the corruption angle, doesn't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Hi Monkeys.    We do not know where the shoes were purchased.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that Anita may have ordered shoes on the web for her sons and from both Mexico and/or the US.  

I think everyone is disregarding the shoe size chart that was posted a couple days ago.  It's at http://www.shoesizeguy.com/.    

On this chart, a Mexican size 12 1/2 is equivalent to a US size 14 (male).  The chart also states this size shoe is 11 1/4" long.

Now, here's where it gets interesting.  A Mexican size 10 is equivalent to a US 11 1/2 (male) and US 13 (female).  The chart states this shoe is 11" long--only 1/4" shorter than the US size 14 (male).

So, I can see why the shoe size is inconsistent.  Perhaps the shoes he wore the night Natalee disappeared new and were size 14 (male) purchased in US and bought a bit large as he is growing and shoes are expensive.  He would have liked those shoes!  

Perhaps the shoes he had on in KIA were his old ones, maybe a year or so old, that Anita had purchased from Mexico online, and they showed a size 10 1/5-- just a bit smaller than the new ones he wore on May 29 which were purchased in a size a bit large and from the US.


AZ, he also makes a statement to a Dutch Investigator that the shoes came from a fellow inmate... meaning the ones he was wearing... sounds like more BS.. what kind of inmate gives up his shoes. The last I heard of Joran jail time, it was marred by fight and kicking other inmates and he almost killed one.. from what I remember.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:47:11 PM
AZLady,
I am not ignoring the conversion chart for it is not a conversion issue but remember Deepak mentioned the SPORTS SHOES the very first night to one of the Alabama delegation.

Then he said he realized he should not have done that and told that person he was talking about something else.

I think they had already planted the Size 14 they got somewhere by the time the Alabama Delegation arrived.

This is the second part of their knowing they needed an alibi before Beth arrived.

That is what I think Joran had done with this walking to the casino in case somebody saw him there.  He may have been planting the shoes.  They were likely not even his so doesn't matter what size HIS feet are as those were not his shoes he planted to be found.  That was going to be his proof he left Natalee at the beach.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 07:47:16 PM
Uk Womens size 11 are Equal to US mens size 13
http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/sizechart.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 07:47:38 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Eric Louis SOEMERS, On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN
Farouk OSMAN, director of Automotive Enterprises.

Quote
On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following: At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

Really makes you wonder, where that statement came from.


Out of left fleld  like a lot of questions seem too ???
Are they implying Deepak knew on May 30th  or that Natalee went missing on May 30th ??

Hi gang.... Just Taking a short mowing break
Just a question ... What difference what size shoe Joran wears?
When  (in statements that we have) does it 1st come up that he left his shoes on the beach?
JMO ...but seemed as one thing more Joran could add to the beach story.  That would make the ALE expend time on.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: "blah"


Why did she not ask him when/how did he get them back?  Stupid Greta could have nailed him to the wall on this but gave him a pass (and probably a little nookie too)


LOL @ the nookie part. We needs to do an analysis of screencaps of Greta's face as the interview progresses. She's in heat by the end of it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 07:49:43 PM
Another reason to vacation in the US, Canada and Australia which I found while surfing.  This might be the one that Dr. Baden commented on once on Greta's show, but I'm not sure.  

Bermuda rejects new bid for Middleton trial  
Published on Monday, May 7, 2007


HAMILTON, Bermuda (Reuters): Bermuda's chief justice rejected last week a new attempt by the parents of a murdered Canadian teenager to bring charges against suspects in the 10-year-old crime.

Represented by Cherie Booth, the barrister wife of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the family of Rebecca Middleton had sought to have two suspects charged with sexual assault, abduction, and torture since earlier attempts to try them for murder were bungled.

But Chief Justice Richard Ground agreed with a decision by public prosecutors that to re-open the case would violate the British mid-Atlantic island's double jeopardy laws, which forbid courts to try suspects twice for the same crime.

"I appreciate that that will be a bitter disappointment to the applicant and other members of Rebecca's family, for whom I personally feel great sympathy, but I have to declare the law as it is," Ground said in the judgment.

Middleton, from Belleville, Ontario, was raped, tortured and stabbed to death on July 3, 1996, when she was 17.

No one was ever convicted for the crime.

One suspect, Kirk Orlando Mundy, struck a plea bargain deal in which he admitted to being an accessory after the fact and was sentenced to five years. The deal was struck before police had completed forensic tests which found Mundy's semen inside Rebecca's body.
The case against another suspect, Justis Raham Smith, collapsed after a judge in Bermuda said there was insufficient evidence.

Canadian tourists boycotted the island of 62,000 people, 560 miles east of the US state of North Carolina, in protest and the family has unsuccessfully fought for years for a retrial. Last July, Bermuda offered compensation of less than $3,000 to the family.

A lawyer for the family, John Riihiluoma, said they would appeal Justice Ground's decision to the Bermuda Court of Appeal.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-1362--28-28--.html

If the Dutch are trying to do this right, I say give them a little time.  We've waited this long.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 07:50:00 PM
Yah Dayhiker- It ain't adding up on purpose!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT



Me, too.  I think those were the very shoes he wore that night and he was gloating.

JMO

.


Why did she not ask him when/how did he get them back?  Stupid Greta could have nailed him to the wall on this but gave him a pass (and probably a little nookie too)


He said oh, not these but a pair just like them that I left on the beach with Natalee.   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 07:51:46 PM
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: adoronron on May 07, 2007, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT



Me, too.  I think those were the very shoes he wore that night and he was gloating.
JMO

.


Anna,
I agree 100%

Ado


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

He said oh, not these but a pair just like them that I left on the beach with Natalee.   :roll:


did she check the size of the ones he had on?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 07:53:15 PM
I remember when the statement from the Auto guy was first published and I thought that was some very damning information, but then what?  Nothing as usual…..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 07, 2007, 07:54:00 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "blah"


Why did she not ask him when/how did he get them back?  Stupid Greta could have nailed him to the wall on this but gave him a pass (and probably a little nookie too)


LOL @ the nookie part. We needs to do an analysis of screencaps of Greta's face as the interview progresses. She's in heat by the end of it.


I hate to say this, but there was a little sexual tension between her & Joran.  I did not want to say that, because I always hate saying things like that but I have seen that twice with an interviewer and interviewee, and once it was with that Rebecca Kohls, the landscape designer, and another designer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
LEAVING THE RACQUET CLUB

21. Joran van der Sloot statement June 14, 2005
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "blah"


Why did she not ask him when/how did he get them back?  Stupid Greta could have nailed him to the wall on this but gave him a pass (and probably a little nookie too)


LOL @ the nookie part. We needs to do an analysis of screencaps of Greta's face as the interview progresses. She's in heat by the end of it.


I hate to say this, but there was a little sexual tension between her & Joran.  I did not want to say that, because I always hate saying things like that but I have seen that twice with an interviewer and interviewee, and once it was with that Rebecca Kohls, the landscape designer, and another designer.


I wonder if he slipped something in her water or whatever she was drinking


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 07:56:35 PM
(snipped)
Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.
Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.

The suspect did not respond.

After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing. He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.

The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.

The suspect did not respond.

The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.

The above PV was written in August, 2005.  Joran was done talking.  If you read through the questions asked of him, the Dutch interrogators appear to be trying to get him to respond to them.  Toward the end of the interrogation, they even use the word "confrontations" as if they are pushing Joran to give them some response.  Lastly, the investigators asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question .  They are telling Joran that we know what shoes you wore that day.  Are they insinuating to Joran that the Dutch investigators have one or both of his shoes worn on May 29 with the evidence on them?  Is this the significant part of this PV?   Joran is mad at this point as he slams his shoe on the table.  I don't think the significant part of this is the shoe size as the size varies as to the country of purchase and time of purchase.  The important part of this is that they have the shoes from May 29.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Well, I do believe the Dutch interrogator noticed a somewhat short forearm, therefore testing his shoe, and decided it is a 10 1/2.



Joran slammed the shoes on the counter when he was asked to remove them.  They were labeled.

For some reason, Joran was very upset.  His lawyer was present and refused to do anything to prevent them looking in his shoes and comparing the fit to his feet.

.


my 2 cents...

when joran was on greta and he pointed to his shoes and said "these are same type shoes i had on that night...and same size, too."

I KNEW HE WAS FULL OF IT



Me, too.  I think those were the very shoes he wore that night and he was gloating.

JMO

.

I agree Anna.  I always thought they were the shoes he had on that night.  Also they were old and dirty.  He was probably saving them for a special occasion :roll: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"



Deepak is no genius and gives away a lot in his statements. This one appears to be missing. But then he tells Skeeters the judges won't f*** with him because he "knows too much", that pretty much sums up the corruption angle, doesn't it?


Where are the statements where the police ask Deepak what investigation he was trying to mess up within minutes of leaving Joran and Natalee at the beach?  Where is the statement asking Satish what was wrong with the girl when he last saw her?  They've got these guys.  They know they're guilty.  I sure hope the Dutch get some physical evidence.  Could be that all they need is something to prove Natalee was there.  Maybe something that tells them they hid evidence.  Hopefully, they have evidence of the computers being tampered with.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I remember when the statement from the Auto guy was first published and I thought that was some very damning information, but then what?  Nothing as usual…..


Easy, they had all this damning stuff and Jannsen was crisscrossing the ocean to Holland with it. Why did it ever become a cold case and turned over to KLPD with this much damaging information? And there has to be a ton more. It is incredibly stupid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Another reason to vacation in the US, Canada and Australia which I found while surfing.  This might be the one that Dr. Baden commented on once on Greta's show, but I'm not sure.  

Bermuda rejects new bid for Middleton trial  
Published on Monday, May 7, 2007


HAMILTON, Bermuda (Reuters): Bermuda's chief justice rejected last week a new attempt by the parents of a murdered Canadian teenager to bring charges against suspects in the 10-year-old crime.

Represented by Cherie Booth, the barrister wife of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the family of Rebecca Middleton had sought to have two suspects charged with sexual assault, abduction, and torture since earlier attempts to try them for murder were bungled.

But Chief Justice Richard Ground agreed with a decision by public prosecutors that to re-open the case would violate the British mid-Atlantic island's double jeopardy laws, which forbid courts to try suspects twice for the same crime.

"I appreciate that that will be a bitter disappointment to the applicant and other members of Rebecca's family, for whom I personally feel great sympathy, but I have to declare the law as it is," Ground said in the judgment.

Middleton, from Belleville, Ontario, was raped, tortured and stabbed to death on July 3, 1996, when she was 17.

No one was ever convicted for the crime.

One suspect, Kirk Orlando Mundy, struck a plea bargain deal in which he admitted to being an accessory after the fact and was sentenced to five years. The deal was struck before police had completed forensic tests which found Mundy's semen inside Rebecca's body. [/color]
The case against another suspect, Justis Raham Smith, collapsed after a judge in Bermuda said there was insufficient evidence.

Canadian tourists boycotted the island of 62,000 people, 560 miles east of the US state of North Carolina, in protest and the family has unsuccessfully fought for years for a retrial. Last July, Bermuda offered compensation of less than $3,000 to the family.

A lawyer for the family, John Riihiluoma, said they would appeal Justice Ground's decision to the Bermuda Court of Appeal.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-1362--28-28--.html

If the Dutch are trying to do this right, I say give them a little time.  We've waited this long.


I do not know much LAW... but got to wonder if if pleaded to a lessor charge... how could it be double jeporady  since we was not tried (??) for other crimes. ???  
or maybe they need to look at perjury charges, or someother's too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:00:44 PM
Dayhiker, yes, they have a boatload of evidence.  I've always believed that.  Coverup is the reason.  As Beth, Dave and others have stated, this is a "professional coverup."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:01:36 PM
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 07, 2007, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Dayhiker"



Deepak is no genius and gives away a lot in his statements. This one appears to be missing. But then he tells Skeeters the judges won't f*** with him because he "knows too much", that pretty much sums up the corruption angle, doesn't it?


Where are the statements where the police ask Deepak what investigation he was trying to mess up within minutes of leaving Joran and Natalee at the beach?  Where is the statement asking Satish what was wrong with the girl when he last saw her?  They've got these guys.  They know they're guilty.  I sure hope the Dutch get some physical evidence.  Could be that all they need is something to prove Natalee was there.  Maybe something that tells them they hid evidence.  Hopefully, they have evidence of the computers being tampered with.



It is all too obvious Puma. Even the cover-up is flimsily veiled. If they can't make a case of this they aren't trying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 08:03:07 PM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I remember when the statement from the Auto guy was first published and I thought that was some very damning information, but then what?  Nothing as usual…..


Easy, they had all this damning stuff and Jannsen was crisscrossing the ocean to Holland with it. Why did it ever become a cold case and turned over to KLPD with this much damaging information? And there has to be a ton more. It is incredibly stupid.


It is extremely difficult to understand.  Just from the bits and pieces we have seen there was a case to be made and many follow-up questions to be asked.  But it just kept spinning its wheels for all this time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"

The above PV was written in August, 2005.  Joran was done talking.  If you read through the questions asked of him, the Dutch interrogators appear to be trying to get him to respond to them.  Toward the end of the interrogation, they even use the word "confrontations" as if they are pushing Joran to give them some response.  Lastly, the investigators asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question .  They are telling Joran that we know what shoes you wore that day.  Are they insinuating to Joran that the Dutch investigators have one or both of his shoes worn on May 29 with the evidence on them?  Is this the significant part of this PV?   Joran is mad at this point as he slams his shoe on the table.  I don't think the significant part of this is the shoe size as the size varies as to the country of purchase and time of purchase.  The important part of this is that they have the shoes from May 29.


I agree.  It's not the size that's significant.  But the shoes play into this mess somehow, we just don't know how.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 08:04:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


Kermit, I believe the PV I quoted above is evidence also that the investigators had the shoes Joran wore that night and that there is evidence on those shoes.  I think it is likely that Joran tried to deny owning that particular pair of shoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 08:05:06 PM
Have fun gang....
(Mower is not running itself  :(   )

Breathe In   ---  Breathe Out   and NO :smt064  other Monkey for something ALE did NOT Do


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
I remember when the statement from the Auto guy was first published and I thought that was some very damning information, but then what?  Nothing as usual…..


Easy- I don't think anyone following this case doesn't believe the ALE and Dutch investigators didn't have a multitude of avenues, they just choose not to pursue any of em.

In a normal investigation, you want more info not less. This is a first for LE anywhere and everywhere.

ALE 101 - How NOT to conduct an investigation.

ALE 201 - How to destroy statements and evidence.

ALE 301 - How to launch a propaganda campaign that will fool no one.

ALE 401 - How to CYA - Call the Dutch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


Kermit, I believe the PV I quoted above is evidence also that the investigators had the shoes Joran wore that night and that there is evidence on those shoes.  I think it is likely that Joran tried to deny owning that particular pair of shoes.


Why I believe you are correct. Perhaps they have one shoe.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: "AZLady"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


Kermit, I believe the PV I quoted above is evidence also that the investigators had the shoes Joran wore that night and that there is evidence on those shoes.  I think it is likely that Joran tried to deny owning that particular pair of shoes.
:smt098  :smt098


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish

and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5

ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe

they are INCOMPETANT  :x



Did you ever read the article I posted from Jossy?  The Dutch interrogator took his hand and felt to see if there was plenty of room for Joran's toes.

In the article I posted, it clearly states, if you would bother to read it, that it was one of the special Dutch interrogators that were sent to deal with just Joran and not ALE doing anything with this shoe business.

I really think he would have noticed if the toes were scrunched and the heel at the back, etc.

He manually confirmed that Joran was wearing a 10.5 in jail and had been for some time and that it was a very nice fit.

There is no way to scrunch toes that cannot be felt through the shoe and he took his own fingers and confirmed there was sufficient room at the end of the shoe for the toes.

It doesn't matter what we think, Joran was comfortably wearing a 10.5 with room to spare.

Or Jossy made the whole thing up.

Can't be both ways.

.


yes,  i read it

it could be the investigator was an idiot  :shock:

i did not see where the investigator checked the HEAL  :twisted:

i can put on a size 15 and make my toes go right to the end  :shock:


you look great, but youre being cranky  :P  8)


running quickly away from Anna  8)

before she throws a SHOE at me  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:09:35 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


No, the investigators asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question.  They knew what shoes he wore on the day in question and must have had at least one of those shoes in their possession.  Otherwise they would not have framed their question that way.  They were looking for a reaction from him.  By this time, he was angry and determined not to speak, but slammed his shoe on the table to just let them know he was angry.[/i]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:11:03 PM
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.


Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: carpe noctem on May 07, 2007, 08:11:26 PM
Quick ?  for anyone...

Can Heavy Battery

charges also include

Vehicular Homocide?

 :?:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.


Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Or a body. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt.  While the term "large" is relative, this seems a lot of dirt in my interpretation for a pair of shoes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.


Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


He saw them at 2:30 am Monday...the night/early am Natalee was missing...not the next night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


Maybe they had one shoe with evidence on it, and they wanted to find the other shoe.  Perhaps it had even more evidence on it.  Dompig needed to look like he was doing something, so he put out the APB for the size 14 shoe, mate to the one they already had.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ?  for anyone...

Can Heavy Battery

charges also include

Vehicular Homocide?

 :?:


I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:17:20 PM
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7494/arubaracquetclub29ve.jpg)
Picture by Claussen Investigators

That dirt looks mighty tuff to dig up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AZLady on May 07, 2007, 08:17:32 PM
Time for me to cook the dinner for the hungry peeps around here.  I'll be back...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.


Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


I was referencing that Joran went to the Racquet Club the next evening and did the switcharoo with the tennis shoes, perhaps even digging them up if he had buried them the night before when the Gardner saw him and Deepak in the car at the Racquet Club.



He saw them at 2:30 am Monday...the night/early am Natalee was missing...not the next night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:19:19 PM
I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=271


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 08:19:46 PM
Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 08:21:08 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


Kermit ... I have been search but I cannot find a credible quote that implies that the stain on the shoe was tested and ... it came back positive.  However ... I did find a post that implied that the stain was tested positive for blood but ... the blood could not be associated with Natalee Holloway.

Janet
 

Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005


TWITTY: You know Greta now that you mention it I was looking through my journal and there was an update from an FBI official and also from our family liaison that in one of Joran Van der Sloot's tennis shoes there was blood. I had written that down. I wish that I had been able to obtain more information as to what happened to that one shoe if that was truly blood in his shoe. You know Greta like I said we are just so limited in any type of information we can get.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:21:55 PM
Sorry Kermit

I understand what you meant now.  I definately think they returned to the scene of some crime, with their little "walk" the next night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:22:22 PM
He [Joran] says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared," said lead police investigator Roy Tromp. "That's what he claims in one of his many statements."
Tromp said the 17-year-old suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 08:22:40 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ?  for anyone...

Can Heavy Battery

charges also include

Vehicular Homocide?

 :?:


I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..



one of my theories is pretty graphic but invloves using his foot to finish her or attempt to quiet her/knock her out at the sloot dump


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


You would think after all his training with the FBi,ALE,KLPD and in Israel he wouldn't make that mistake. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Sorry Kermit

I understand what you meant now.  I definately think they returned to the scene of some crime, with their little "walk" the next night.


Yeah I agree with you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ?  for anyone...

Can Heavy Battery

charges also include

Vehicular Homocide?

 :?:


I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..



one of my theories is pretty graphic but invloves using his foot to finish her or attempt to quiet her/knock her out at the sloot dump


Why did they ask about the boxing gloves and the bit about Joran's girlfriends boxing??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


You would think after all his training with the FBi,ALE,KLPD and in Israel he wouldn't make that mistake. :roll:


Great observation *******
 :pig: I found a Miss Piggy smilie and have to use it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


I do remember this comment Kermit made by ALE, if not Dompig? I thought I recall it being said that one sneaker was found in his closet with a speck of blood on it, but the other shoe was missing, hence the call to the public  for the one missing sneaker. There was never any statement issued about who the blood might have belonged to, infact I also recall reading, that several weeks prior to Natalee going missing Joran tried to pick-up another tourist and followed her to the bathroom at C+C's where he pulled a knife on her and threatened her, and added "I can do whatever I want my father is a big lawyer on this island" (not verbatim). So the obvious fact is that Joran carried a knife.......he might have used it any number of times


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kermit on May 07, 2007, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


I do remember this comment Kermit made by ALE, if not Dompig? I thought I recall it being said that one sneaker was found in his closet with a speck of blood on it, but the other shoe was missing, hence the call to the public  for the one missing sneaker. There was never any statement issued about who the blood might have belonged to, infact I also recall reading, that several weeks prior to Natalee going missing Joran tried to pick-up another tourist and followed her to the bathroom at C+C's where he pulled a knife on her and threatened her, and added "I can do whatever I want my father is a big lawyer on this island" (not verbatim). So the obvious fact is that Joran carried a knife.......he might have used it any number of times


I remember that too.
But I don't recall any DNA testing and/or results on the shoe with the blood.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 08:28:44 PM
In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN):Mayoria hende lo sa, cu tin investigacion di casonan penal cu por dura y a dura años. Awor ta keda algo si, y esey entre otro ta kico ta motiva y exigi di polis pa sigui cu un caso pa aña tras aña te ora e wordu resolvi.

Ademas di esey, bo tin di puntra bo mes ta kico un investigacion cu por dura tanto ta encera. Tambe nos conoce casonan caminda , cu den investigacion ta ripiti loke ya a wordu hasi un biaha caba. Pero ripiticion di un parti di e investigacion no ta encera cu ta tur cos por wordo haci di nobo.

Tambe ta depende si ta vale la pena ripiti partinan di e investigacion. Hopi hende no kier tende esaki, pero tambe ta posible cu tin casonan cu nunca lo wordo resolvi. Esey ta bida y loke por pasa den bida.

Ta skirbi aki en general y bisando cu tin caso cu nunca lo wordo resolvi y no ta mustrando dede riba e caso di Holloway. Ora nos wak kico ta pasando cu e caso di Holloway y e investigacionnan haci y ripiticion e ultimo siman nan, bo tin di puntra bo mes si esakinan ta algo serio of ta no mas pa laga pasa cu e macamba si lo por bini atrobe cu tur sorto di ekipo y fanfare y pretende cu ta nan sa miho y ta nan lo bin soluciona e caso door di bolter e cos aki y aya y bolbe Hulanda.

Ken nos kier satisface ? Ta e americanonan ? Anto si ta e americanonan, anto mester a scucha entre otro diasabra pasa anochi comentarionan di Merca riba e showcase di e macambanan. . Nos a hasi nos mes un biaha mas masha ridiculo.

Kico ta e resultado di e “poppenkast gedoe” aki ? Ken nos ta kere di a satisface cu esaki ? Aki por mira nada mas cu tabata un demostracion di kico Hulanda tin na ekipo. Hecho ta keda, cu segun indicacion e ekiponan ey no a demostra nada tampoco.

Ta asina, cu bo por tin e miho ekiponan, pero si loke bo tin di busca cu nan no tey ni tampoco ta existí, anto e ekiponan ey no tin balor. Cu dos comisario, un di Aruba y e otro di Hulanda ta cana casi cu man teni no ta nada mas cu un berguensa pa cuerpo policial y su recherche.

Loke nan a hasi, ta kibra moral di e cuerpo di recherche di Aruba, cu ya tin bastante problema cu e caso aki. Tur comentario tabata cu si e chens di por a recupera algo importante cu e investigacion tabata minimo , casi imposibel, no tabata tin mester di hasi e fanfare aki atrobe.

Awor ta puntra: no ta e mesun macambanan aki cu tabata envolvi den e investigacion den comienzo tambe no a hasi loke mester a wordo hasi di antemano ? Tur loke a pasa awor, ta cu esnan cu dos placa di sinti lo puntra cu nan lo ta kere cu e doño di e cas caminda nan a ramsak ( ?) ta hende asina kens o sea di e kens ey pa sinta warda nan bin haya algo despues di tanto tempo ?.

Laga nos ta realistico y admiti cu ta investigacion mes a hasi nan sabi y a siña nan con por tapa cos y defende nan mes. Awor tin algo otro, cu kizas no ta tene na cuenta. Esey ta e ley cu nos conoce na Aruba y esun cu tur hende mester respeta.

Ta cual leynan ta wordo usa den e caso aki ? Wel, nos por sigui skirbi te mayan di e caso aki pero no ta vale la pena mas. Tur hende ta spera cu di un moda of otro, lo bin claridad den e caso aki, cu por lo menos asina por drecha nomber di cuerpo policial atrobe.

Pero no keda straño, cu un di e dianan aki nan manda avionnan di carga Antonov cu ta esnan mas grandi cu tin , yen di porkeria y bin bashe riba Aruba. Ta esey so ta falta. Nos ta spera cu si esaki sosode, cu mayoria di e porkeria cai riba e ministro di husticia, cu ta permiti degradacion di cuerpo policial di Aruba.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/7/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ?  for anyone...

Can Heavy Battery

charges also include

Vehicular Homocide?

 :?:


I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..



one of my theories is pretty graphic but invloves using his foot to finish her or attempt to quiet her/knock her out at the sloot dump


Why did they ask about the boxing gloves and the bit about Joran's girlfriends boxing??


I have not heard about that, is it in a statement?

I dont find it too odd though, me and my friends used to do a little back yard boxing when we were around dipshits age.  Although I dont remember any of the girls doing it.

It sometimes got a little too carried away so we didnt do it very often.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


You would think after all his training with the FBi,ALE,KLPD and in Israel he wouldn't make that mistake. :roll:


Great observation *******
 :pig: I found a Miss Piggy smilie and have to use it


When Dompig issued the statement regarding the missing shoe, I don't recall his having any confusion about the shoe size. He said it was a size 14. Joran was reported to have tried to buy, and been looking for a size 14 sport shoe. The only time confusion regarding size seemed to come into play was when the police officer alleged that the 10.5  sneaker of another prisoner fit joran. I don't know if this is shoe size, or foot measurement, not do i take his word as to precise shoe size over what was heaard for the first approximate 10 months.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes." http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38


I do remember this comment Kermit made by ALE, if not Dompig? I thought I recall it being said that one sneaker was found in his closet with a speck of blood on it, but the other shoe was missing, hence the call to the public  for the one missing sneaker. There was never any statement issued about who the blood might have belonged to, infact I also recall reading, that several weeks prior to Natalee going missing Joran tried to pick-up another tourist and followed her to the bathroom at C+C's where he pulled a knife on her and threatened her, and added "I can do whatever I want my father is a big lawyer on this island" (not verbatim). So the obvious fact is that Joran carried a knife.......he might have used it any number of times


wow, my memory is really lousy but this is sounding real familiar...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:32:54 PM
Kermit wrote;
Quote
But I don't recall any DNA testing and/or results on the shoe with the blood.


Neither do I, maybe they threw it into the box of forensic evidence collected....for future testing. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 08:33:48 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?

Deepak made an obscure reference to *sporting shoes* to somebody on posse night per his 6/9 PV. He says he was just joking...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 08:37:25 PM
Blah

To your question whether I saw Deepak fight, I answer you the following. I have seen him box at home in my place. I have two pairs of boxing gloves at home and I have seen Deepak box with Satish and Koen. Deepak is to weak to box. Satish wins at boxing with Deepak and Koen beats both Deepak and Satish at boxing. I box with Betto and with Koen. Usually we are equally matched between the three of us. Sometimes I let/allow my girlfriend "Flor" and her sister Amanda Metz to box. An Aruban girl named "Jilaila" lives with Flor and Amanda and she watched some of those fights.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 08:37:39 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Kermit"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14.  The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie.  But, then what?  Nothing as usual……


Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14 :roll:


Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.


You would think after all his training with the FBi,ALE,KLPD and in Israel he wouldn't make that mistake. :roll:


Great observation *******
 :pig: I found a Miss Piggy smilie and have to use it


When Dompig issued the statement regarding the missing shoe, I don't recall his having any confusion about the shoe size. He said it was a size 14. Joran was reported to have tried to buy, and been looking for a size 14 sport shoe. The only time confusion regarding size seemed to come into play was when the police officer alleged that the 10.5  sneaker of another prisoner fit joran. I don't know if this is shoe size, or foot measurement, not do i take his word as to precise shoe size over what was heaard for the first approximate 10 months.


Reason number 433 to think this was a coverup..However we have not heard of any arrests or anyone even questioning the ALE. All we know is the KLPD are working alone. Dompig himself was critical of this in last weeks Interview saying they should be working more closely with the ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 08:40:51 PM
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 08:41:05 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?

Deepak made an obscure reference to *sporting shoes* to somebody on posse night per his 6/9 PV. He says he was just joking...


That is why I consider it important to research the very early comments made by these punks before the cover-up was pulled into place and Paulus made sure they understood they could be in big trouble if they dobbed in "wonder boy".

.
Hello Monkeys.  I have read ALL the comments thus far and now going to check Lala's roster as to who is to be the monkey behind the curtain today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:41:14 PM
The important fact of course is that in all likelyhood Joran was only missing one sneaker, IMO. To have left or even lost 2 shoes might be forgetful, an accident ,an incured expense at best. But how and where....and why one would be running or located to have lost one [/b] shoe is the big question. Was the owner of the shoe carrying something along with 2 shoes that when one might have been dropped it it  was not noticed? If the shoes were in his gym bag at the racketball club....would anyone have stolen just one?[/b]?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
Blah

To your question whether I saw Deepak fight, I answer you the following. I have seen him box at home in my place. I have two pairs of boxing gloves at home and I have seen Deepak box with Satish and Koen. Deepak is to weak to box. Satish wins at boxing with Deepak and Koen beats both Deepak and Satish at boxing. I box with Betto and with Koen. Usually we are equally matched between the three of us. Sometimes I let/allow my girlfriend "Flor" and her sister Amanda Metz to box. An Aruban girl named "Jilaila" lives with Flor and Amanda and she watched some of those fights.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166


Buckeye, thanks.  I think I remember this now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?

Deepak made an obscure reference to *sporting shoes* to somebody on posse night per his 6/9 PV. He says he was just joking...


That is why I consider it important to research the very early comments made by these punks before the cover-up was pulled into place and Paulus made sure they understood they could be in big trouble if they dobbed in "wonder boy".

.
Hello Monkeys.  I have read ALL the comments thus far and now going to check Lala's roster as to who is to be the monkey behind the curtain today.


Very true....Deepak does not strike me as the jolly hardy-har-har type guy even under the best of circumstances. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!


Who are the referenced circus and who the clowns?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!


Who are the referenced circus and who the clowns?


From what I gather, Circus is Dutch, clowns are ALE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 08:48:48 PM
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!


Who are the referenced circus and who the clowns?


Clowns = ALE & all the cabinet Ministers etc..     JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:49:45 PM
Hmmm thanks Klaas .

The last paragraph of the article seems to make it clear that the search was some type of bashing of Aruba?

++++++++++
Pero no keda straño, cu un di e dianan aki nan manda avionnan di carga Antonov cu ta esnan mas grandi cu tin , yen di porkeria y bin bashe riba Aruba. Ta esey so ta falta. Nos ta spera cu si esaki sosode, cu mayoria di e porkeria cai riba e ministro di husticia, cu ta permiti degradacion di cuerpo policial di Aruba.


but not stay odd, cu one of the dianan here they send avionnan of carga antonov cu is esnan more big cu have come across, complete of porkeria y come bashe on aruba. is esey only is miss. we is wait for cu if this sosode, cu majority of the porkeria cai on the ministro of husticia, cu is permiti degradacion of cuerpo policial of aruba


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


Thanks for the update Easy .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!


Who are the referenced circus and who the clowns?


Mentioning Aruba and circus clowns in the one sentence just fits so well, don't you think?   :clown:  :clown:  :clown:  :clown:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


I don't think the size matters one bit.. I do think he is missing only one and that is suspicious. That's the only real reason I'm interested in them.

But I feel your pain... err I mean - vulcan death grip.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 07, 2007, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


I don't think the size matters one bit.. I do think he is missing only one and that is suspicious. That's the only real reason I'm interested in them.

But I feel your pain... err I mean - vulcan death grip.


I'm with ya's and I havent even followed the whole thing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


Nothing like shoe business!

Don’t you wish that one topic at a time could be resolved in this case and systematically checked off the list?  It just can’t happen though, because we can’t get straight answers to simple questions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 08:55:42 PM
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned. According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging. Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Two points of interest here, the sighting was made close to 3 am on the early morning of May 30th, just two hours after leaving C&C. The second point is that Joran called Deepak at 2:35 am asking for a "ride home' from the same location. I believe that call was actually more like:" she won't wake up, what do we do"?  IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 09:00:01 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned. According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging. Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Two points of interest here, the sighting was made close to 3 am on the early morning of May 30th, just two hours after leaving C&C. The second point is that Joran called Deepak at 2:35 am asking for a "ride home' from the same location. I believe that call was actually more like:" she won't wake up, what do we do"?  IMO


Would they be asking that already if they drugged her?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned. According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging. Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Two points of interest here, the sighting was made close to 3 am on the early morning of May 30th, just two hours after leaving C&C. The second point is that Joran called Deepak at 2:35 am asking for a "ride home' from the same location. I believe that call was actually more like:" she won't wake up, what do we do"?  IMO




JACKPOT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
SILENCE is GOLDEN



bet the farm, the truck and the TRACTOR


and the TRAIN
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned. According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging. Could Joran  have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.


Two points of interest here, the sighting was made close to 3 am on the early morning of May 30th, just two hours after leaving C&C. The second point is that Joran called Deepak at 2:35 am asking for a "ride home' from the same location. I believe that call was actually more like:" she won't wake up, what do we do"?  IMO


Would they be asking that already if they drugged her?

Already at 1:30 several statements are given describing her as slipping in and out of consciousness or as they more delicately put it "falling in and out of sleep" They had been with her since 12:30.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 09:05:43 PM
i want the DUTCH to be very quiet  8)


when they arrest them all again, there will be SCREAMS of pain
from some and screams of joy from US  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 09:09:01 PM
Two points of interest here, the sighting was made close to 3 am on the early morning of May 30th, just two hours after leaving C&C. The second point is that Joran called Deepak at 2:35 am asking for a "ride home' from the same location. I believe that call was actually more like:" she won't wake up, what do we do"? IMO


Would they be asking that already if they drugged her?

Already at 1:30 several statements are given describing her as slipping in and out of consciousness or as they more delicately put it "falling in and out of sleep" They had been with her since 12:30.


My Impression is..It was the first time they drugged a tourist and they weren't sure what to do with her..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sb on May 07, 2007, 09:10:36 PM
None, if you're here:

Quote from: "nonesuche"
msmarples I just feel a need to dispel the confusion in my own mind - it wasn't directed as a slight to anyone, I'm going to email SB to ask, he was there for the meeting and I had heard from someone else there that Beth wasn't able to stay as long. I feel sure SB was listening and taking notes too.


I DID NOT take notes. I seem to remember that we were asked NOT to do that beforehand so I didn't come ready to do it.

Beth was there for the entire evening meeting. She sat next to Robin at the front of the room and they collaborated on answers to questions. They got along almost like sisters, from my view, laughing and agreeing with one another with their comments. There was absolutely not the slightest hint of any rift or coolness between them whatsoever.

This was the occasion I referred to last night when I talked one-on-one with Beth and she was almost exactly my height. Robin is somewhat shorter.

msmarples is correct about Beth's answer. In fact, I may have been the one who asked about the 3 AM phone call, if I remember.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?

Deepak made an obscure reference to *sporting shoes* to somebody on posse night per his 6/9 PV. He says he was just joking...



But this is VERY significant, Igs!!

They were already planting evidence before Beth even arrived.

Now when the Dutch interrogator proved Joran was lying and only wore the 10.5 shoe, it meant he planted the size 14 because he didn't even wear that size!  He put it at the FH to be found to prove he was somewhere he wasn't.  He was too cheap to leave his own real shoes, too!  He could have said he eft a pair of pink high-heeled stilettos if he could have convinced people he was wearing them that night.

Was in in a PV or that silly email that Deepak mentions saying sports shoes the first night, anyone?

They had likely spent at least the whole evening planting stuff that was never found!

If ALE had something like this that is exculpatory, I think they would have to tell the defendants.

.
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tiger on May 07, 2007, 09:21:18 PM
have the Dutch checked out the painted rocks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 09:21:49 PM
Hiya Monkeys


DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
<snip>

During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


 :D  :D  :D

Some people like shoes, some like Shango, some like the vids!  We all have our areas of interest and makes for pretty good research.

But I do feel your pain as it is how I feel when a certain topic is discussed.  Can't say what or I will get in Lalas book for misbehavior.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:

How about Guido?

Joran's 6/14 PV is a load of BS which leaves Guido out of the picture until 10:30 because Guido was *working*.

Joran's diary (and likely book also) has him spending all night with Guido. From about 7:45 forward.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys


DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
<snip>

During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


Yep!  That's it.  Another nail in their coffin, sotaspeak.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 09:29:32 PM
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sb on May 07, 2007, 09:31:18 PM
I honestly had never thought of the shoes as an "evidence plant" until I saw Anna's post. It makes sense he would try to put himself on the beach if the VDS home was the actual crime scene.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


She's smelling those flowers.

Is yours wearing lipstick?   :shock:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 09:36:57 PM
I'm going to bring up shoes (ducking and hiding behind a tree)

I think I answer my own question on the 1st references to the durn shoes!

Aruban police search for suspect's shoes, expect another interview with teen http://www.courttv.com/news/holloway/080205_ap.html
Updated Aug. 2, 2005, 10:25 a.m. ET

From Deepaks 6/11 interview
Quote
what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot and I asked him where his sneakers/sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sneakers/sport shoes at the beach.

From Jorans 6/14 interview
Quote
I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.

Plus more lies on times/activities etc.

AND it is August when they search for them (??)

End-of-shoes  discussion for me.  too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


changing her shoes every couple hours  8)



HIDING and RUNNING from Anna  8)  :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


Is yours wearing lipstick?   :shock:

.


he he he! LOL :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


She's smelling those flowers.

Is yours wearing lipstick?   :shock:

.


No, I just have full red lips!  :P

Yours turns into a black box on my computer.  Must be my display memory.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 09:37:34 PM
Oh Eeeeasy, I have someone for you to meet........

(http://www.sockmonkeyfun.com/images/88_full_Sock_Monkey.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 07, 2007, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Oh Eeeeasy, I have someone for you to meet........

(http://www.sockmonkeyfun.com/images/88_full_Sock_Monkey.jpg)


Gosh, I'd like to know where she buys her clothes - I'd love a sexy outfit like that!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:39:27 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:

How about Guido?

Joran's 6/14 PV is a load of BS which leaves Guido out of the picture until 10:30 because Guido was *working*.

Joran's diary (and likely book also) has him spending all night with Guido. From about 7:45 forward.


I would LOVE to discuss Guido but I don't know the first thing about him! Tito called him Lorenzo Wever at first and threw us for a loop and I think we stalked some unconnected person for months over it!

I'd be more than happy to discuss Guido and think that HEAVY BATTERY is a very heavy charge.

But I don't know anything about him other than that.
And that his attorney announced to the whole world Guido was gay and that he had a modeling site at one time.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Oh Eeeeasy, I have someone for you to meet........

(http://www.sockmonkeyfun.com/images/88_full_Sock_Monkey.jpg)


Gosh, I'd like to know where she buys her clothes - I'd love a sexy outfit like that!  :lol:

She wears size 4 shoes also. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 07, 2007, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:

How about Guido?

Joran's 6/14 PV is a load of BS which leaves Guido out of the picture until 10:30 because Guido was *working*.

Joran's diary (and likely book also) has him spending all night with Guido. From about 7:45 forward.


I would LOVE to discuss Guido but I don't know the first thing about him! Tito called him Lorenzo Wever at first and threw us for a loop and I think we stalked some unconnected person for months over it!

I'd be more than happy to discuss Guido and think that HEAVY BATTERY is a very heavy charge.

But I don't know anything about him other than that.
And that his attorney announced to the whole world Guido was gay and that he had a modeling site at one time.

.


Well, according to Klaas, he's a really good ice skater.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
Anna wrote;
Quote
But I don't know anything about him other than that.  And that his attorney announced to the whole world Guido was gay and that he had a modeling site at one time.


Seriously, it is very hard to imagine Guido modeling anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 07, 2007, 09:41:33 PM
Quote from: "San"
She wears size 4 shoes also. :lol:


Then I'd better loan her some - the poor girl must have lost hers on the beach.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
She wears size 4 shoes also. :lol:


Then I'd better loan her some - the poor girl must have lost hers on the beach.  :lol:  :lol:

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anna - What is your avatar doing?


She's smelling those flowers.

Is yours wearing lipstick?   :shock:

.


No, I just have full red lips!  :P

Yours turns into a black box on my computer.  Must be my display memory.



Guess that's not mascara, either, then, huh?  Just extra long dark lashes?

I change my avatar's outfit often and probably will tonight so next one may not be animated.  It should be OK for you.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?


Easy said via Jossy that the Dutch team is still there in Aruba, but that their activities are not known at this time. I don't think Jossy wrote the article.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Oh Eeeeasy, I have someone for you to meet........

(http://www.sockmonkeyfun.com/images/88_full_Sock_Monkey.jpg)


Kinda cute!  Is she from Aruba?   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?

Spock - I know you will catch up but Jossy didn't write the article, one of his reporters did and Jossy isn't too happy about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 09:44:28 PM
If Jossy doesn't know where the Dutch team is or what they are doing, how does he know they haven't left?

That article is sort of upsetting.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 09:44:48 PM
Quote
I'd be more than happy to discuss Guido and think that HEAVY BATTERY is a very heavy charge.

No one has been charged. Under the Dutch system, suspects are detained on suspision. Charges are a whole different matter. I think you knew that, just wanted to clarify.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Spock on May 07, 2007, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "klaasend"
In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?

Spock - I know you will catch up but Jossy didn't write the article, one of his reporters did and Jossy isn't too happy about it.

I see Jossy didnt write it, but I have a feeling it is saying the Dutch have left Aruba for now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
If Jossy doesn't know where the Dutch team is or what they are doing, how does he know they haven't left?

That article is sort of upsetting.

.

And if he doesn know what they are doing who is feeding Paulus information.  He was quick to answer they found nothing on this property.  How would he know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
I would LOVE to discuss Guido but I don't know the first thing about him!

Without a Guido PV...it is difficult.

It is obvious, though, that Joran intentionaly excluded him early on. And Joran's 6/14 PV is the only one that covers monday in-depth.

Andre's PV (and probabaly Guido's) forced Joran to adapt his story.

If the diary story matches up with his book story then Joran now admits to spending all night with Guido. Including 7:45 to 11:00...a time frame filled with a whole lotta nothing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 07, 2007, 09:50:45 PM
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.  

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


According to Jossy, as of a couple hours ago there are still in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys


DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
<snip>

During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


I stand corrected...  Yapper's  nailed it
to add a little more from that statement
May 31 with Beth & company at the Holiday Inn
Quote
I stood at one of the concrete beam/pillar in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes.


10 1/2 size shoe... where did that come from?   What size does Deepak wear??   Sorry :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.  

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
[/b]

Lala's in another statement they asked Satish is Natalee was fully clothed and Satish said yes.  So which is it Satish.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


According to Jossy, as of a couple hours ago there are still in Aruba.


Unless they have been trickling off the island slowly, I think their departure would have been noticed and reported.  But, I am still checking it out and will let everyone know what I learn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  

Deepak, i guess. So...am i to understand that french-kissing is *crazy*? Was this before or after the Ks put on the *non-crazy* porn video?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.  

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
[/b]

Lala's in another statement they asked Satish is Natalee was fully clothed and Satish said yes.  So which is it Satish.

Oops sorry Lala's I just read it again.  I see you saw that.  You red highlights I was reading.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:00:38 PM
Chapter 6 of Joran's book - as summarized by Ramm at BFN (also in the Important Case Document forum)

CHAPTER 6 - GAMBLING

page 1:

- during their cruising for hot girl in the hotels and swimming pools Joran and his friends on occasion also walked through the many casinos who were in a lot of the hotels. Joran liked the atmosphere there, especially the free drinks one can use to tank up on alcohol before going out to a club.

- as a minor Joran was not allowed in the casinos but due to his posture he was seldom asked for his ID and after a while he had become a regular at the casinos so he was not asked to produce his ID because most employees at the casino assumed that he had been found to be 18 or older by some other member of staff.

- Joran watched a lot of poker and quickly caught on. His best subjects at school were math and statistics. Poker is less of a gambling game than black jack and you can control the game much more with poker. You can bluff, you can throw your cards away immediately or fold later on.

- Joran observed the poker game for 2 weeks. One Sunday evening at a free tournament he entered for fun and was pretty good at it. He was a good bluffer because he had a system with which I played with the 2 cards open on the table and not always the ones in my hands.

page 2:

- if I saw a weakness in somebody I would visualize that I had the best possible hand and that I would play it a certain way. Usually that worked for me especially if you can read a person's weaknesses. I do not know if I am also easy to read but I try to remain as cool as possible. Up to a point I can guesstimate what kind of cards someone has, but then again, that person could also just be good at bluffing.

- by watching body language and the way someone looks at their cards or looks out of their eyes, I can read whether that person has a good or a bad hand. For example, if someone looks 4 times at their cards even before flop and is very quiet, then I am going to assume he has a strong hand. If someone hits the table to quickly get the possibility to play then that person usually has a bad hand. When you have a good hand, you are mostly a lot more patient. Sometimes I make great plays/calls or raises and sometimes I make very poor plays.

- someones eyes are the most telling. The more often I play the same person, the better I can learn their game. I will know who the bluffers are and who are not. There are people who leave a table after 3 hours but there are also people who will play you all night long.

- at some tournaments I played for 8pm to 3am. The casinos are open till 6am and they will order pizzas for you and give you drinks all nigh.

- the poker tournaments on TV and the Super Hype give off a certain image of poker players. They were dark sunglasses, earphones at the table. That is bullshit. There are those who wear big sunglasses and sit there with their i-pods but most are just regular people. Old or young, man or woman. Poker is a social game, in between hands there is a lot of chatter.

page 3:

- but you need to stay focussed, poker is a tactical game where it is important to keep your cool. The best feeling is winning when you have nothing in your hands.

- in the past I never bought back into a tournament after I had been eliminated because I thought it was a waste of money. Now if often buy myself back into the tournament or play in 10 dollar tournaments.

- with poker Joran has won 5,000 USD (according to Joran that is. It may not sound a lot but for a 17 year old that is a lot of money. Nowadays people win hundreds of thousands of dollars at poker tournaments, but Joran says because he is only in it for a few years. Joran saved part of the one to his savings account. That way he was able to buy a I-river.

- Joran had no job, he liked hanging out. He got 100 aruban florins. If he needed clothes or books his parents would buy it for them, etc.

- Joran says he had no time for jobs anyway, between all the things he had to do during the day.

- whenever his money was gone, he would just ask his parents for more.

= his father once offered him a deal, he would get 160 USD a month if  agreed to buy his new clothes and mom or dad would no longer pay for that.  

page 4 (and a bit page 5, last page of chapter):

- the deal with his parents cost him because it was a bad deal for him. Now he had to pay for his clothes and that meant spending a lot more than before and one pair of good pants could cost him a months budget.

- his parents thought he was not good with money. Joran at first disagreed. Maybe he did spend too much money when he went out, but what teen doesn't?

- participating in the poker tournaments on Sundays at the Holiday Inn cost no money but could bring Joran money. And that money could be used to boost his "going out fund".

- Joran's parents dislike/hate casinos. They thing gambling is a waste of money and they are afraid of addiction. They did not forbid me to go but they also did not like me going to the casinos to play in the tournaments. I had told them that i was participating in free poker tournaments. That I also played tournaments for money is something that I did not tell them. I can understand my parents not jumping for joy at the prospect of me doing this but I thought as long as my schoolwork does not suffer, what is the problem with me going out and gambling?

- at the time I was under the guidance/treatment of a psychiatrist. According to statements in the media I had to go there because I supposedly had a violent temper problem, that I was beating up my mother and my brothers, but nothing could be further from the truth. I was undergoing treatment at the psychiatrist, once every 5 weeks I had to go there, because I had stolen money from my mother and father and had lied about that. I used to lie about a lot of things in those days and I talked to the psychiatrist about that too.

- after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.

- it was one of the reasons my parents, when looking for a next school for me, opted for a small school with a lot of structure and guidance for me. After I had visited several universities with my mother in the US, they chose St. Leo's in Tampa Florida, also though partly because of the scholarship.

END CHAPTER 6


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:00:42 PM
Good evening
Finally caught up .. now gonna sit back and lurk.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Monkeys


DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
<snip>

During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


I stand corrected...  Yapper's  nailed it
to add a little more from that statement
May 31 with Beth & company at the Holiday Inn
Quote
I stood at one of the concrete beam/pillar in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes.


10 1/2 size shoe... where did that come from?   What size does Deepak wear??   Sorry :oops:



Old Fart,
I post this at the risk of upsetting Spock who can't take any more shoe talk.  I'm sorry Spock and will gladly move on, just wanted to answer OF's Question.



Posted by Tamikosmom/Janet earlier this evening:
Mon May 07, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject:    

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=385


JORAN 08/08/2005 Dutch Interrigators Statement
(translated by Ramm at BFN)

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.

The suspect did not respond.

After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing. He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.

The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.

The suspect did not respond.

The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sb on May 07, 2007, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.  

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
[/b]


So Joran, being the true gentleman that he is, put Natalee's clothes back on her after he raped her. All in an enclosed car. Uh-HUH.

No sale. They were at VDS House. These statements are bad lies, unsupported and unsupportable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 07, 2007, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  

Deepak, i guess. So...am i to understand that french-kissing is *crazy*? Was this before or after the Ks put on the *non-crazy* porn video?

Exactly igsigs.

They were saying he was crazy because Joran was hitting Natalee and one of the Kalpoes were upset.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 10:07:04 PM
Tommy Pooch commented in a magazine article or somewhere what a lousy poker player Joran is.

Now he is lecturing others on the finer points of the game? I think he really, really wishes he were a good player.
.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sb on May 07, 2007, 10:07:52 PM
I'm going to call it an early night... I will have a post in the Prayer Thread and I am then heading out. I will see you good folks tomorrow evening if all goes well.  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  

Deepak, i guess. So...am i to understand that french-kissing is *crazy*? Was this before or after the Ks put on the *non-crazy* porn video?

Exactly igsigs.

They were saying he was crazy because Joran was hitting Natalee and one of the Kalpoes were upset.


Or aroused.   :roll:

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 10:11:31 PM
O/T

From Blah's earlier post, a half alien baby

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Avatars/th213998nsurwem1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 07, 2007, 10:14:01 PM
BBLater. . .

Will check in on my way to the Monkey Bunkey and see if we hear any more about the Dutch team leaving.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 10:14:16 PM
- as a minor Joran was not allowed in the casinos but due to his posture he was seldom asked for his ID and after a while he had become a regular at the casinos so he was not asked to produce his ID because most employees at the casino assumed that he had been found to be 18 or older by some other member of staff.

Now just how does this explain the fact that the 17-year-old walked into a casion with his judge-in-traing dad and entered a poker tournament?

Jesus Christ!  This book is some type of strange joke!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 10:14:42 PM
Miami club impresario Tommy Pooch, who played next to Van Der Sloot for more than two hours, tells us the Dutch-born youth "was as nice as can be, but he was a terrible poker player.

"He kept buying back in, and finally he got knocked out when they stopped buy-ins," Pooch said. "He was a terrible bluffer . . . He was a young, excitable kid. He wore the sunglasses and the baseball cap like they do on TV, but even that didn't help."

Van Der Sloot must have had a habit of losing money in the poker room of the Holiday Inn-Aruba. "It seemed like everyone knew him there," Pooch said. "It was his hangout. He knew all the dealers by name. He was a local yokel."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:15:35 PM
- after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.


 Sounds to me that his DR needs a friggin Dr as well.. :roll:  he starts his book off by saying hes a liar and can't help it and still continues to do so?
  TY Klaas for posting  ... Read it and makes me ill. The whole chapter.. the bluffing.. of course hes good at it. WTF does he think this case is a poker game or what?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening
Finally caught up .. now gonna sit back and lurk.. :)

AngieX
Boy that figures.... I'm in the cage and you are just going to (hang around & lurk) (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/8b03b6c8.gif) & (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/629eb142.gif)


Klaasend
 thanks for the posting the book segment.
Quote
Joran's parents dislike/hate casinos
WHY.. just because it was illegal...that no biggie...  :twisted:
I do wish someone would look or at least as the correct people  why the hell NO one has been charged with the "minor crimes"
An atty that allows his son gamble illegaly and even takes him there  :twisted:  :twisted:

Anna  
thanks it was during Joran's statement and the shoes he was wearing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
- as a minor Joran was not allowed in the casinos but due to his posture he was seldom asked for his ID and after a while he had become a regular at the casinos so he was not asked to produce his ID because most employees at the casino assumed that he had been found to be 18 or older by some other member of staff.

Now just how does this explain the fact that the 17-year-old walked into a casion with his judge-in-traing dad and entered a poker tournament?

Jesus Christ!  This book is some type of strange joke!



sinking down the tubes..........

this book is a nightmare


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
- as a minor Joran was not allowed in the casinos but due to his posture he was seldom asked for his ID and after a while he had become a regular at the casinos so he was not asked to produce his ID because most employees at the casino assumed that he had been found to be 18 or older by some other member of staff.

Now just how does this explain the fact that the 17-year-old walked into a casion with his judge-in-traing dad and entered a poker tournament?

Jesus Christ!  This book is some type of strange joke!


It SICK .. They had to have had known he was a minor. Its BS!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Good evening
Finally caught up .. now gonna sit back and lurk.. :)

AngieX
Boy that figures.... I'm in the cage and you are just going to (hang around & lurk) (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/8b03b6c8.gif) & (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/629eb142.gif)


Klaasend
 thanks for the posting the book segment.
Quote
Joran's parents dislike/hate casinos
WHY.. just because it was illegal...that no biggie...  :twisted:
I do wish someone would look or at least as the correct people  why the hell NO one has been charged with the "minor crimes"
An atty that allows his son gamble illegaly and even takes him there  :twisted:  :twisted:

Anna  
thanks it was during Joran's statement and the shoes he was wearing


 Hi Oldfart.. :)   :wink:  You have a great poiny.. Daddy~O  goes with him.. knowing full well hes underage?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 10:20:20 PM
then Karen flipped. She and Melody went to the same school. Karen got into Melody's face and confronted her. When Joran picked Melody up from school that day and she told him that Karen had said they had been sleeping together.

He was probably driving as well..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.

 I just re read this.
  Guess he can't make up his minf if his Dr is a HE or a SHE??  WTH?

I was supposed to have the last session with him


The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure.

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

 Hi Oldfart.. :)   :wink:  You have a great poiny.. Daddy~O  goes with him.. knowing full well hes underage?


If you or I did what Mom &  Pop   or even the k'2  we would be looking at contributing to the delinq. of a minor. at a minimum.

Wonder what charges &  $$$'s the bars and casinos would be looking at.

OH... That right... we do not understand their laws... AND they wonder why they have certain social problems :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: oldfart
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

 Hi Oldfart.. :)   :wink:  You have a great poiny.. Daddy~O  goes with him.. knowing full well hes underage?


If you or I did what Mom &  Pop   or even the k'2  we would be looking at contributing to the delinq. of a minor. at a minimum.

Wonder what charges &  $$$'s the bars and casinos would be looking at.

OH... That right... we do not understand their laws... AND they wonder why they have certain social problems :roll:[/quote

 No doubt Oldfart.. we'd be arrested and thrown in the pokey


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 07, 2007, 10:26:59 PM
oran's parents dislike/hate casinos. They thing gambling is a waste of money and they are afraid of addiction. They did not forbid me to go but they also did not like me going to the casinos to play in the tournaments. I had told them that i was participating in free poker tournaments. That I also played tournaments for money is something that I did not tell them. I can understand my parents not jumping for joy at the prospect of me doing this but I thought as long as my schoolwork does not suffer, what is the problem with me going out and gambling?


If "Joran's parents dislike/hate casinos" why did Paulus go to the Casinos to gamble?  And even worse, he would be there with Joran.  Go figure...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 07, 2007, 10:28:18 PM
My post was from Chapter 6-Gambling from Joran's book-sorry...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Does anyone know how many News papers are on Aruba and if any have a "Letter to the Editor" type section?

I would love to Ask  Why certain know illegal acts were never acted upon NO Matter how minor they seem & if time limits have expired ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: crazymom on May 07, 2007, 10:30:30 PM
Evening Monkeys!  Just doing a drive by as I am working on a candlelight vigil for Jaycee.  

Klaas....if I send you an email will you forward it to Dana Pretzer for me?  TIA.

I will be back later! (that's a warning) :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:30:58 PM
:oops:   I forgot to add...

I wonder if Rethos  rag would allow question like that to be published.?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:31:43 PM
:oops:   I forgot to add...

I wonder if Rethos  rag would allow question like that to be published.?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

 Hi Oldfart.. :)   :wink:  You have a great poiny.. Daddy~O  goes with him.. knowing full well hes underage?


If you or I did what Mom &  Pop   or even the k'2  we would be looking at contributing to the delinq. of a minor. at a minimum.

Wonder what charges &  $$$'s the bars and casinos would be looking at.

OH... That right... we do not understand their laws... AND they wonder why they have certain social problems :roll:[/quote

 No doubt Oldfart.. we'd be arrested and thrown in the pokey


Like the words of the old song  "Anything Goes"

Hi Angie - how are you sweetie?  I am working and lurking.  Finished my shift behind the curtain today. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 10:33:54 PM
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PauluslettertoJoran1.png)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Evening Monkeys!  Just doing a drive by as I am working on a candlelight vigil for Jaycee.  

Klaas....if I send you an email will you forward it to Dana Pretzer for me?  TIA.

I will be back later! (that's a warning) :wink:


OK


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: "crazymom"
Evening Monkeys!  Just doing a drive by as I am working on a candlelight vigil for Jaycee.  

Klaas....if I send you an email will you forward it to Dana Pretzer for me?  TIA.

I will be back later! (that's a warning) :wink:


 Hey Crazy Ang!!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 07, 2007, 10:39:41 PM
Well gang...
I need to depart  and I'm getting too :smt076  thinking about what &  why things were not done

PS.
Is anyone else getting real tired of the ARUBA  commercials on the Word Poker Tournament segments?  They play there in Oct. (I think).

It would be great if we could convince one of the Top Players (or more) to wear a shirt with J4N on it.  Maybe nothing more just J4N in big letters front & back.
SeeeeYaaaByeeeeee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 07, 2007, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  

Deepak, i guess. So...am i to understand that french-kissing is *crazy*? Was this before or after the Ks put on the *non-crazy* porn video?

Exactly igsigs.

They were saying he was crazy because Joran was hitting Natalee and one of the Kalpoes were upset.


If you notice Satish says he told them on June 1.  Was this a casual conversation or what?  I don't recall a statement on that date by Satish.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 07, 2007, 10:40:27 PM
Me too OF.. good nite everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Tibrogargan
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"

 Hi Oldfart.. :)   :wink:  You have a great poiny.. Daddy~O  goes with him.. knowing full well hes underage?


If you or I did what Mom &  Pop   or even the k'2  we would be looking at contributing to the delinq. of a minor. at a minimum.

Wonder what charges &  $$$'s the bars and casinos would be looking at.

OH... That right... we do not understand their laws... AND they wonder why they have certain social problems :roll:[/quote

 No doubt Oldfart.. we'd be arrested and thrown in the pokey


Like the words of the old song  "Anything Goes"

Hi Angie - how are you sweetie?  I am working and lurking.  Finished my shift behind the curtain today. :wink:


  LOL I am ok Tibro and you honey?
 Don't hide behind that curtain..!!!   Speak up!!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PauluslettertoJoran1.png)

P.S.  No Body , No Case

Paul


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:42:22 PM
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.



im blown out over here


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Me too OF.. good nite everyone.


 Goodnight Rob..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:45:11 PM
Well, I know you can't read it now but it was Rob's post.  I couldn't tell it was a screen capture.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.


Blown here too, but I refreshed page and back to normal again  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 10:46:27 PM
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: klaasend
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.[/quote

 Mine seem to be fine Klaas..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
mine is good now  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


It seems impossible to believe that Jorans father, a lawyer could not get him to refrain from  publishing  this book.  It seems to speak to the fact that Joran definately has an underlying psychological condition that makes him feel he knows more than anyone else, and can lie to everyone, and out-smart everyone.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 10:51:27 PM
Nite Rob


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:51:29 PM
Quote from: "robots"
mine is good now  8)


It was Rob's post.  I fixed his image and made it smaller, but now you can't read it, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?



More bullshit is all I can think of?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
mine is good now  8)


It was Rob's post.  I fixed his image and made it smaller, but now you can't read it, LOL  :lol:


thank you Klass


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.[/quote

 Mine seem to be fine Klaas..



Ahhhhh ... but you have Vista   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

All OK here thanks Angie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "robots"
mine is good now  8)


It was Rob's post.  I fixed his image and made it smaller, but now you can't read it, LOL  :lol:

 
 I could read it with my face approx 3 inches from my monitor  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 10:55:20 PM
Quote from: Tibrogargan
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.[/quote

 Mine seem to be fine Klaas..



Ahhhhh ... but you have Vista   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

All OK here thanks Angie



  ROFL Tibro  <Vista still sucks  :lol: >


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:56:06 PM
i better write this small..but just because the TAG in the sneaker says SIZE 10..that doesnt make it a size 10


as with everything in this case.. things are NEVER as they Appear


stepping off my shoebox



 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


It seems impossible to believe that Jorans father, a lawyer could not get him to refrain from  publishing  this book.  It seems to speak to the fact that Joran definately has an underlying psychological condition that makes him feel he knows more than anyone else, and can lie to everyone, and out-smart everyone.


bb you are so correct.  And the book is certainly not destined to become one of the great milestones in English literature.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: Tibrogargan
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.[/quote

 Mine seem to be fine Klaas..



Ahhhhh ... but you have Vista   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

All OK here thanks Angie


I don't have Vista - no way no day.  Not for a very long time, lol  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 10:57:19 PM
maybe thats why they wanted the sneakes BOUGHT....for the TAGS


next post might have to be smaller

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
Robots - you're cracking me up  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?



More bullshit is all I can think of?  :wink:


Pure bullshit!  But at least I can now understand how the Dutch could be sitting around the VDS property and laughing as they read this book.

What really amazes me is that none of the people in this family appear to be particularly smart.  In fact, they could teach a rock a few things about being dense.  So, who or what has kept them so untouchable for the past two years?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 11:01:44 PM
Didn't Joran tell Greta that he did not see a psychiatrist?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Robots - you're cracking me up  :lol:




i am... ???

 im trying to use camoflauge color in the type


LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 11:01:57 PM
I think this so called book is giving us an inside look at just how "warped" this goon child really is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Didn't Joran tell Greta that he did not see a psychiatrist?


YES


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: "robots"
maybe thats why they wanted the sneakes BOUGHT....for the TAGS


next post might have to be smaller

 8)


Spock ... Robots is talking about Joran's sneakers ... he does not think 60 pages of dialogue is enough.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 11:04:13 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Didn't Joran tell Greta that he did not see a psychiatrist?

Not sure if it was Greta, but it was someone


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: Easywriter
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?



More bullshit is all I can think of?  :wink:


Pure bullshit!  But at least I can now understand how the Dutch could be sitting around the VDS property and laughing as they read this book.

What really amazes me is that none of the people in this family appear to be particularly smart.  In fact, they could teach a rock a few things about being dense.  So, who or what has kept them so untouchable for the past two years?[/quote


 LOL about teaching  a rock.
 Good question Mike..... Never seen anything like it in all my life.. its  there.. but yet they all walk around scott free Surely to Gawd it comes out and soon..  I hope so!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:05:07 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "robots"
maybe thats why they wanted the sneakes BOUGHT....for the TAGS


next post might have to be smaller

 8)


Spock ... Robots is talking about Joran's sneakers ... he does not think 60 pages of dialogue is enough.




there is always one in a CROWD that has to squuuuuuueeeeeeelll



 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 11:07:09 PM
Code:
Robots - next time try code, lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is extremely hard to believe that no one stopped Joran from writing this book!  Some of these chapters should be enlarged, framed and sent to Taco Joe!!!!!!!!!!!


It seems impossible to believe that Jorans father, a lawyer could not get him to refrain from  publishing  this book.  It seems to speak to the fact that Joran definately has an underlying psychological condition that makes him feel he knows more than anyone else, and can lie to everyone, and out-smart everyone.


bb you are so correct.  And the book is certainly not destined to become one of the great milestones in English literature.


HEHEHE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 11:07:26 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?



More bullshit is all I can think of?  :wink:


Pure bullshit!  But at least I can now understand how the Dutch could be sitting around the VDS property and laughing as they read this book.

What really amazes me is that none of the people in this family appear to be particularly smart.  In fact, they could teach a rock a few things about being dense.  So, who or what has kept them so untouchable for the past two years?


The book has to be a blessing..It is almost as ridiculous as the Investigation has been...The dutch never had a greta or major media so they saw the very few facts. Now that De Vries and the Book have come out the Dutch are standing beside us in dibelief.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
This book makes this kid and his family look even worse than we originally thought!  Is something hidden between the lines of all of this BS?



More bullshit is all I can think of?  :wink:


Pure bullshit!  But at least I can now understand how the Dutch could be sitting around the VDS property and laughing as they read this book.

What really amazes me is that none of the people in this family appear to be particularly smart.  In fact, they could teach a rock a few things about being dense.  So, who or what has kept them so untouchable for the past two years?[/quote


 LOL about teaching  a rock.
 Good question Mike..... Never seen anything like it in all my life.. its  there.. but yet they all walk around scott free Surely to Gawd it comes out and soon..  I hope so!


I guess as long as one person (that has a cable show) finds him believable it makes all the chapters about him being a lying piece of chit worthwhile.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Code:
Robots - next time try code, lol


good idea

tank you very very very much  :wink:


the EAGLE has landed

the CROW flies at MIDNIGHT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 11:09:44 PM
Joran is eat up with the ME syndrome. He thinks the whole world revolves around him & what he wants. I can just see him in my mids eye when he is told No. Goes into a rage like a wild animal. All the more reason he should have been corrected as a child instead of getting his way. For this I blame his so called piss poor excuse for parents. JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Didn't Joran tell Greta that he did not see a psychiatrist?

Not sure if it was Greta, but it was someone
HI Monkeys!!  And, he says this book writing is his therapy now, because he doesn't like psychiatrist.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:12:24 PM
Joran's June 11, 2005 statement:

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Greta Interview March, 2006:

Interviewer: What's the anger management stuff, though? At some point, correct me if I'm wrong, that you were getting some sort of... you know, that... were you going to some courses or classes or something? Was there a problem with that?

Joran van der Sloot: No, I never went to any.

Interviewer: Nothing like that? Never been an anger issue?

Joran van der Sloot: No. Never. No.

Interviewer: That's just all made up?

Joran van der Sloot: Yes.

Interviewer: Totally... totally fiction?

Joran van der Sloot: Totally made up.

Interviewer: Ok.

Joran van der Sloot: Totally fiction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Joran is eat up with the ME syndrome. He thinks the whole world revolves around him & what he wants. I can just see him in my mids eye when he is told No. Goes into a rage like a wild animal. All the more reason he should have been corrected as a child instead of getting his way. For this I blame his so called piss poor excuse for parents. JMO
Me too, I agree. His parents need parenting classes!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 11:12:46 PM
Boy, I can hardly wait to read mom and dad's diary notes. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 11:13:02 PM
Quote from: klaasend
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Is everyone else having margin problems?  I can't figure out what is blowing the margins for me.  Thought it was Crazymoms signature line but I fixed that and still blown.[/quote

 Mine seem to be fine Klaas..



Ahhhhh ... but you have Vista   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

All OK here thanks Angie


I don't have Vista - no way no day.  Not for a very long time, lol  :lol:


Hehehehe - do not know what happened there - I meant the comment for Angie.
But I agree with you - no Vista here either until forced into it.
DH's workplace updating computers and refused Vista as offered due to all the bad reports about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 11:13:03 PM
- after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.

Translated:  Since I was in Kia on June 14th, my psychiatrist decided it was too late for me anyway.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
I think this so called book is giving us an inside look at just how "warped" this goon child really is.


 Amen YAP!!
  Hi sweety  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Didn't Joran tell Greta that he did not see a psychiatrist?

Not sure if it was Greta, but it was someone


It was Greta.

Joran Van der Sllot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 6, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: What's the anger management stuff, though? At some point, correct me if I'm wrong, that you were getting some sort of — you know, that — were you going to some courses or classes or something? Was there a problem with that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I never went to any.

VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing like that? Never been an anger issue?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. Never. No.

VAN SUSTEREN: That's just all made up?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Totally — totally fiction?

VAN DER SLOOT: Totally made up.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK.

VAN DER SLOOT: Totally fiction.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 11:16:55 PM
Hiya Ang


Klaas I think this is what he meant:

after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I was a hopeless case & should have a rubber room built around me with no doors or windows.   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:17:53 PM
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 07, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i better write this small..but just because the TAG in the sneaker says SIZE 10..that doesnt make it a size 10


as with everything in this case.. things are NEVER as they Appear


stepping off my shoebox


AND Robots are not always Robots........


 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
- after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.

Translated:  Since I was in Kia on June 14th, my psychiatrist decided it was too late for me anyway.
Yes indeed! And probably didn't want to see him privately, because, being a psychiatrist she would have figured out a lot about this case by seeing him, and didn't want to get drug into court. IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 07, 2007, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.

You have to WANT to get answers. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 11:19:08 PM
I apologize bleachedblack .... I did not notice that you had already posted the Greta quote.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:19:21 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "robots"
i better write this small..but just because the TAG in the sneaker says SIZE 10..that doesnt make it a size 10


as with everything in this case.. things are NEVER as they Appear


stepping off my shoebox


AND Robots are not always Robots........


 8)




 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 11:19:40 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Joran is eat up with the ME syndrome. He thinks the whole world revolves around him & what he wants. I can just see him in my mids eye when he is told No. Goes into a rage like a wild animal. All the more reason he should have been corrected as a child instead of getting his way. For this I blame his so called piss poor excuse for parents. JMO


You just described some of the characteristics of a sociopath.  I don't know if they're born or bred, but I do think he's been allowed to do what he wants with little discipline.  But then again, even with discipline, he'd still have a self-centered personality that cares nothing about others, but he might have learned not to be destructive towards dogs, brothers and women.  The abuse of women thing......I just don't know what causes it.  Freudian.  Is it about mama or papa or is it learned from them?  I say lock him up and analyze it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 11:22:23 PM
Paulus insulted quite a few people in the Netherlands as well by his arrogance. After talking about the specialized Equipment,Forensic units and Investigators in his back yard.

Our house was a sort of resort… They’d put tables outside… Chairs… Uh drinks… Uh lots of food… Uh… Making lots of pleasure… These uhh, these uhh, these boys and girls had the time of their lives and uhh… And I welcome it to them off course…

Certainly looks like a guy that is too smart for them. 23 months ahead of them and doesnt have to answer one question. The KLPD has to be frustrated.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:22:26 PM
if it is even possible... this BOOK makes the ARUBA LAW
UN-ENFORCEMENT look even more EVIL, STUPID

take your pick

EVIL or STUPID

it makes em look even WORSE

didnt think it was possible

this is why the DUTCH are gonna put a BOOT in joran, k2, paulus, and guido


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.

You have to WANT to get answers. :wink:


Ain't that the truth!  I'm thinking this guy was running his mouth from the beginning and it was all about damage control.  It is obvious he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 11:25:26 PM
Robots, I don't know if she comes in different colors, but I'd like you to meet the Wakamaru Companion Robot:  

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/wakamarucompanion.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.


........then there were the specially trained psychological interviewers(sorry I don't recall theie official titles) that were sent to the prison to interrogate him, and then tooo the FBI was witnessing Jorans interrogations. It is a big question mark to me too. They must have recorded some of these interogations?  Even Dompig made the comment about Joran appearing to be "Gods gift to mother-in-laws". I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:26:33 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Robots, I don't know if she comes in different colors, but I'd like you to meet the Wakamaru Companion Robot:  

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/wakamarucompanion.jpg)


is she a good robot ????? 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:26:59 PM
Quote from: "robots"
if it is even possible... this BOOK makes the ARUBA LAW
UN-ENFORCEMENT look even more EVIL, STUPID

take your pick

EVIL or STUPID

it makes em look even WORSE

didnt think it was possible

this is why the DUTCH are gonna put a BOOT in joran, k2, paulus, and guido
Doesn't it though!~I wonder how they feel after reading his book, and thinking..."We couldn't get this guy."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.


........then there were the specially trained psychological interviewers(sorry I don't recall theie official titles) that were sent to the prison to interrogate him, and then tooo the FBI was witnessing Jorans interrogations. It is a big question mark to me too. They must have recorded some of these interogations?  Even Dompig made the comment about Joran appearing to be "Gods gift to mother-in-laws". I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?


Yeh...and that he rules the house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 11:27:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
if it is even possible... this BOOK makes the ARUBA LAW
UN-ENFORCEMENT look even more EVIL, STUPID

take your pick

EVIL or STUPID

it makes em look even WORSE

didnt think it was possible

this is why the DUTCH are gonna put a BOOT in joran, k2, paulus, and guido


I hope so.  

Do you think she's pretty?  
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/wakamarucompanion.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 11:27:41 PM
BB, I don't think the behavior specialists could figure out what made him tick. More proof to me that when he was born they threw out the baby & gave to Slootytoots the afterbirth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
BB, I don't think the behavior specialists could figure out what made him tick. More proof to me that when he was born they threw out the baby & gave to Slootytoots the afterbirth.

  YAP  LOL!
I got behind.. So HOWDY to everyone that came in!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Robots, I don't know if she comes in different colors, but I'd like you to meet the Wakamaru Companion Robot:  

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/wakamarucompanion.jpg)


is she a good robot ????? 8)


Don't know, just found her online.  Didn't even check Myspace.   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tiger on May 07, 2007, 11:30:37 PM
I was taught Sociopaths were born and could not be treated.The robot is cute.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?

Dompig said the FBI diagnosed pathological liar and sociopath.

The Dutch youth interrogators said...unusual...or unique...or something like that. I will have to look for that article.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:30:43 PM
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
BB, I don't think the behavior specialists could figure out what made him tick. More proof to me that when he was born they threw out the baby & gave to Slootytoots the afterbirth.
LMAO! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:30:52 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "robots"
if it is even possible... this BOOK makes the ARUBA LAW
UN-ENFORCEMENT look even more EVIL, STUPID

take your pick

EVIL or STUPID

it makes em look even WORSE

didnt think it was possible

this is why the DUTCH are gonna put a BOOT in joran, k2, paulus, and guido


I hope so.  

Do you think she's pretty?  
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/LilPuma04/wakamarucompanion.jpg)



beautiful robot  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 07, 2007, 11:31:21 PM
From another site after googling

SNIP:Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/featu...?currentPage=9


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 07, 2007, 11:33:24 PM
dompig is a ZIG ZAG machine

one day its THIS

the next day its THAT

he is a loser


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


 Robots.. I am hoping you are correct....
 Hope this is the quiet before the storm sotospeak.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?

Dompig said the FBI diagnosed pathological liar and sociopath.

The Dutch youth interrogators said...unusual...or unique...or something like that. I will have to look for that article.

Found it....the suspects behavior was so exceptional...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:37:32 PM
Wonder whatever happend to TTOWNMIKE?
Whatchatawkinbout?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:38:55 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?

Dompig said the FBI diagnosed pathological liar and sociopath.

The Dutch youth interrogators said...unusual...or unique...or something like that. I will have to look for that article.

Found it....the suspects behavior was so exceptional...


 Im confused Igs?  exceptinal as to ???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Wonder whatever happend to TTOWNMIKE?
Whatchatawkinbout?
I saw one time where sandrak was asking people if Easy =TTownmike LMAO!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 07, 2007, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 07, 2007, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I also remember an FBI comment about him being one of the strangest people psycologically they have come across...does anyone remember that?

Dompig said the FBI diagnosed pathological liar and sociopath.

The Dutch youth interrogators said...unusual...or unique...or something like that. I will have to look for that article.

Found it....the suspects behavior was so exceptional...


 Im confused Igs?  exceptinal as to ???

So exceptional that ALE brought in the Dutch youth interrogators. Probably the exceptional = lying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:41:30 PM
Quote from: Buckeye
From another site after googling

SNIP:Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."


  TY Buckeye!  Oh GAG me so bad.. reminds me of my ex husband.  IF his parents told him NO he freaked the hell out.. and still does to this DAY... and he will be 42 on May 17th.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: "robots"
dompig is a ZIG ZAG machine

one day its THIS

the next day its THAT

he is a loser
I agree, he talks out of both sides of his ....um....ass.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
BB, I don't think the behavior specialists could figure out what made him tick. More proof to me that when he was born they threw out the baby & gave to Slootytoots the afterbirth.


That's pretty funny........


+++++++++++++++++++++++

 ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA REPORTER COVERING STORY: Nancy, officials in Aruba, Dutch specialists, interrogated Joran Van Der Sloot today. They started early in the morning and went all day until 5:00.

They`re called behavioral specialists. They specialize in noticing and analyzing behavior and how a person answers questions. We also know that the FBI participated in the interrogation, as well. They were seen walking into the downtown police department where Joran was interrogated all day carrying Natalee Holloway folders.

We understand that there`s also going to be an interrogation going on tomorrow. As far as the results of the investigation, and the interrogation from today, we do not know what, if anything, they may have found out.

Another development: A hearing is going to be held tomorrow. Joran Van Der Sloot`s attorney is protesting the FBI`s involvement in this case. So we expect a judge to make a decision on that tomorrow, possibly later in the week.

http://tinyurl.com/35ll55


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:42:52 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Wonder whatever happend to TTOWNMIKE?
Whatchatawkinbout?
I saw one time where sandrak was asking people if Easy =TTownmike LMAO!!


  LOL  Elaine! I guess when I wrote sotospeak.. it reminded me of him!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……
Yes, scarey..isn't it?!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: Angiex911dsptchr
Quote from: "Buckeye"
From another site after googling

SNIP:Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."


  TY Buckeye!  Oh GAG me so bad.. reminds me of my ex husband.  IF his parents told him NO he freaked the hell out.. and still does to this DAY... and he will be 42 on May 17th.


TX Angie that is the source I was trying to find.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:44:23 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


 I agree.. there is something more then just Natalee being gone. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
From another site after googling

SNIP:Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."


  TY Buckeye!  Oh GAG me so bad.. reminds me of my ex husband.  IF his parents told him NO he freaked the hell out.. and still does to this DAY... and he will be 42 on May 17th.


TX Angie that is the source I was trying to find.  :)



  HI BB.. Buckeye posted it not me  LOL   I screwed up the quotes.. Imagine that.. lol   :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Wonder whatever happend to TTOWNMIKE?
Whatchatawkinbout?
I saw one time where sandrak was asking people if Easy =TTownmike LMAO!!


  LOL  Elaine! I guess when I wrote sotospeak.. it reminded me of him!  :)
I thought he was a good guy who cared a lot about this case.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2007, 11:47:32 PM
Looks like another accidental death or suicide in Aruba.
Man dies in police car  

WILLEMSTAD – A man that was arrested yesterday for robbery, died in the police car.  The police say that the man was probably under the influence of drugs.  The body of the 48-year old Gershwin La Croes that lived in De Savaan, is confiscated for autopsy.  

The police of Rio Canario received reporting of a robbery at a snack at the Rooseveltweg yesterday afternoon.  When they arrived at the location, they found a man that was acting very agitated.  They decided to take him to the cells in Punda, so he can calm down. When they arrived they realized that La Croes had died.  The police doctor certified the victim’s death. The body was confiscated and the investigation continues.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: wreck on May 07, 2007, 11:47:51 PM
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Wonder whatever happend to TTOWNMIKE?
Whatchatawkinbout?
I saw one time where sandrak was asking people if Easy =TTownmike LMAO!!


  LOL  Elaine! I guess when I wrote sotospeak.. it reminded me of him!  :)
I thought he was a good guy who cared a lot about this case.  :)


 Me too~!!  He was funny.. :) I always said it was nice to see men posting about the case.. Still will  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like another accidental death or suicide in Aruba.
Man dies in police car  

WILLEMSTAD – A man that was arrested yesterday for robbery, died in the police car.  The police say that the man was probably under the influence of drugs.  The body of the 48-year old Gershwin La Croes that lived in De Savaan, is confiscated for autopsy.  

The police of Rio Canario received reporting of a robbery at a snack at the Rooseveltweg yesterday afternoon.  When they arrived at the location, they found a man that was acting very agitated.  They decided to take him to the cells in Punda, so he can calm down. When they arrived they realized that La Croes had died.  The police doctor certified the victim’s death. The body was confiscated and the investigation continues.
Oh my gosh!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2007, 11:52:00 PM
"Believe me, we were looking for anything to throw him, to keep him in jail," says Dompig. "The only thing he admitted to was that he was fondling [her] sexually, like kissing, touching her. And there was no sexual in terms of penetration or whatever, really having sex with her.”

After nearly two dozen lengthy interrogations, the police still had no confession and had found no body. So on Sep. 3, 2005, Joran van der Sloot was released to his parents.

"This young man, a 17-year-old-boy was able to withstand 90 days in prison, and undergo specialized interrogation, and they weren't able to get a confession from him," says attorney Arlene Shipper.

"What does that say ?" Roberts asks.

"It can mean two things — either he's innocent, he really doesn't know what happened, or he's a genius," she replied.

Joran van der Sloot has denied any wrongdoing, but he has done nothing to dispel Dompig’s suspicions.

Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot's psychological profile, he says, "They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything.


http://tinyurl.com/3bzhte


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:52:07 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like another accidental death or suicide in Aruba.
Man dies in police car  

WILLEMSTAD – A man that was arrested yesterday for robbery, died in the police car.  The police say that the man was probably under the influence of drugs.  The body of the 48-year old Gershwin La Croes that lived in De Savaan, is confiscated for autopsy.  

The police of Rio Canario received reporting of a robbery at a snack at the Rooseveltweg yesterday afternoon.  When they arrived at the location, they found a man that was acting very agitated.  They decided to take him to the cells in Punda, so he can calm down. When they arrived they realized that La Croes had died.  The police doctor certified the victim’s death. The body was confiscated and the investigation continues.



The body was confiscated and the investigation continues.
 I have heard fo weapons.. drugs.. alcohol.. etc being  confiscated.. but a  body?  geezeeeeeeeeee.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 07, 2007, 11:53:45 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "*******"
Looks like another accidental death or suicide in Aruba.
Man dies in police car  

WILLEMSTAD – A man that was arrested yesterday for robbery, died in the police car.  The police say that the man was probably under the influence of drugs.  The body of the 48-year old Gershwin La Croes that lived in De Savaan, is confiscated for autopsy.  

The police of Rio Canario received reporting of a robbery at a snack at the Rooseveltweg yesterday afternoon.  When they arrived at the location, they found a man that was acting very agitated.  They decided to take him to the cells in Punda, so he can calm down. When they arrived they realized that La Croes had died.  The police doctor certified the victim’s death. The body was confiscated and the investigation continues.
Oh my gosh!
Who are The police of Rio Canario , I wonder?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 07, 2007, 11:55:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Easy ... I agree.

I contend that Aruba/Holland have hit a road block but there is no turning back ... the implications of solving the Natalee Holloway case are so far reaching.  The fallout is too huge to comprehend when you consider ... Paulus Van der Sloot … the sons of the elite … those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the coverup; the judiciary as well as drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography …money laundering …

IMO

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 07, 2007, 11:55:36 PM
Isn't Willemstad in Curacao?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Easy ... I agree.

I contend that Aruba/Holland have hit a road block but there is no turning back ... the implications of solving the Natalee Holloway case are so far reaching.  The fallout is too huge to comprehend when you consider ... Paulus Van der Sloot … the sons of the elite … those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the coverup; the judiciary as well as drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography …money laundering …

IMO

Janet


  YEPPERS Janet  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 07, 2007, 11:59:17 PM
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 07, 2007, 11:59:41 PM
Quote from: yapperz1
Isn't Willemstad in Curacao?[/quote

 Yep Yap.. I just googled it and came up with a list..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Willemstad+in+Curacao&btnG=Google+Search


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
"Believe me, we were looking for anything to throw him, to keep him in jail," says Dompig. "The only thing he admitted to was that he was fondling [her] sexually, like kissing, touching her. And there was no sexual in terms of penetration or whatever, really having sex with her.”

After nearly two dozen lengthy interrogations, the police still had no confession and had found no body. So on Sep. 3, 2005, Joran van der Sloot was released to his parents.

"This young man, a 17-year-old-boy was able to withstand 90 days in prison, and undergo specialized interrogation, and they weren't able to get a confession from him," says attorney Arlene Shipper.

"What does that say ?" Roberts asks.

"It can mean two things — either he's innocent, he really doesn't know what happened, or he's a genius," she replied.

Joran van der Sloot has denied any wrongdoing, but he has done nothing to dispel Dompig’s suspicions.

Asked what FBI profilers told Dompig about van der Sloot's psychological profile, he says, "They use the word sociopath. And the fact that he was capable of lying about basically everything.


http://tinyurl.com/3bzhte
I think that after the night of the confession, Daddy got word to him to just sit tight and to shut up...and eventually he would get out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 08, 2007, 12:01:50 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Bringing one of my comments over from page 49 of the previous discussions.

"Not only does it connect Paulus to Natalee...If you all noticed in the picture of Paulus at the gate speaking with Greta and Beth, Paulus is wearing the same "white" shirt he wore the night before. Guess in a hurry to get out front he just grabbed the first thing available to wear.
The bastage!"


Should of provided picture with this post.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/paul_beth.jpg)

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/dkpen/MVC-007S.jpg)


THE CREASE IN THE RIGHT SLEEVE IS IDENTICAL ..............

THE WATCH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE .............

THERE IS NO DOUBT .............

ITS PAULUS IN THE CASINO PHOTO ...........

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.
I hope you are right! I do not care what the VDS are saying... they are sweating right about now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:04:09 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


 Awesome thoughts Puma~!!  We can only hope!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 12:04:30 AM
I watched that video last night..I noticed Paulus was hittin the drink quite a few times in the short clip. I wonder if Paulus was boozin it up that night?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 12:05:04 AM
Hiya Widget. How are the girls? Have they got you trained yet?  :lol:

I agree it is Paulus in the casino. If not (God forbid) he has a twin on that rock.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:06:27 AM
Quote from: WidgetTheMidget
Quote from: "dkpen"
Bringing one of my comments over from page 49 of the previous discussions.

"Not only does it connect Paulus to Natalee...If you all noticed in the picture of Paulus at the gate speaking with Greta and Beth, Paulus is wearing the same "white" shirt he wore the night before. Guess in a hurry to get out front he just grabbed the first thing available to wear.
The bastage!"


Should of provided picture with this post.


THE CREASE IN THE RIGHT SLEEVE IS IDENTICAL ..............

THE WATCH IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE .............

THERE IS NO DOUBT .............

ITS PAULUS IN THE CASINO PHOTO ...........

 :roll:


 I know you are behind. and I agree. the shirt is identical..the HAIRLINEs that Kermit.. Rob and Klaas posted are identical. A grade school child IMO could tell the same.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 12:09:11 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……
Yes, scarey..isn't it?!!


A mere speck floating atop the Caribbean Ocean becomes the focus of worldwide attention, because a young girl misses her flight home.  Nothing of consequence is done by the U.S. and the Netherlands stand back and claim their hands are tied due to a hybrid separation that took place years earlier.  What is the real reason both countries attempted to distance themselves from the case of Natalee Holloway?

Aruba has been in political turmoil for a number of years and the ruling party continues to vocally align themselves with Hugo Chavez’s regime only twenty nautical miles away.  Could this be the over-riding factor in the decisions made by both the U.S. and the Netherlands to remain aloof?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 08, 2007, 12:09:31 AM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Hiya Widget. How are the girls? Have they got you trained yet?  :lol:

I agree it is Paulus in the casino. If not (God forbid) he has a twin on that rock.


Hi yapperz1 ...........

We Are Getting Quite Good In Cricket ....LOL

They Are Growing Up Too Fast .............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:09:39 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


 Awesome thoughts Puma~!!  We can only hope!


Elaine, Angie, I'm hoping too.  I keep remembering the former FBI guy on Nancy Grace saying that these guys from NFI are as good as anyone you'll find at Quantico.  I remember Dr. Lee going to the room where George Smith stayed.  I wish Joey T had let Dr. Baden talk more.  

I agree that there's more to this case than 3 young men and a wannabe judge.   There are probably drugs involved and then the botched investigation and wire taps and where did Joran get the money and Guido wetting his pants and...... I'm out of breath.  But the Dutch investigators have more info than we do.  Boxes and boxes of it.  And DeVries thinks these guys are guilty (don't know if he said it though) and the Dutch probably do to but they have to PROVE it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 12:10:30 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


I agree, LilPuma.  Easy to imagine them posing as Dutch tourists and listening to all the island gossip about the case.  Who knows what gems of information they can pick up that way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:
I will never forget Charles Croes remarks... "I hope we can all handle the truth."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:13:08 AM
Quote from: "*******"
I watched that video last night..I noticed Paulus was hittin the drink quite a few times in the short clip. I wonder if Paulus was boozin it up that night?


 :lol:  I wouldn't doubt it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:14:23 AM
Yap..
  You got mail.. nuttin important.. Talk to yah when I can  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:
I will never forget Charles Croes remarks... "I hope we can all handle the truth."


  Elaine..  I recall that remark as well.   Maybe Janet has that saved?
Or anyone else??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:16:22 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"

A mere speck floating atop the Caribbean Ocean becomes the focus of worldwide attention, because a young girl misses her flight home.  Nothing of consequence is done by the U.S. and the Netherlands stand back and claim their hands are tied due to a hybrid separation that took place years earlier.  What is the real reason both countries attempted to distance themselves from the case of Natalee Holloway?

Aruba has been in political turmoil for a number of years and the ruling party continues to vocally align themselves with Hugo Chavez’s regime only twenty nautical miles away.  Could this be the over-riding factor in the decisions made by both the U.S. and the Netherlands to remain aloof?


If Puerto Rico screwed something like this up would we jump in?  Could we?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 08, 2007, 12:18:45 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:
I will never forget Charles Croes remarks... "I hope we can all handle the truth."


  Elaine..  I recall that remark as well.   Maybe Janet has that saved?
Or anyone else??


Hi Angie .........

Charles Croes Stepped Down From His Original Statement .............

He Was Told To Button His Lip ...............

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:22:19 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


I agree, LilPuma.  Easy to imagine them posing as Dutch tourists and listening to all the island gossip about the case.  Who knows what gems of information they can pick up that way.
I think that lil ole island is monitored a lot more than we think. Because of drugs, porn, prostitution, casinos, money laundering etc etc... I also have the opinion that a lot of my aforementioned is overlooked, intentionally....You rub my back , I will rub yours, but if you go down ...we all go down. If that makes sense.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:22:27 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:
I will never forget Charles Croes remarks... "I hope we can all handle the truth."


  Elaine..  I recall that remark as well.   Maybe Janet has that saved?
Or anyone else??


Hi Angie .........

Charles Croes Stepped Down From His Original Statement .............

He Was Told To Button His Lip ...............

 8)


 Hi Yah Widget..
 Somehow that don't shock me any..  :evil:
<Hope all is well with the Mrs and the girls  :) >


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I think the Dutch are putting together their case.  They're waiting for results from NFI to support their case.  They may be going over Joran's book and the diaries taken from the VDS residence and putting it together with what they and ALE have collected.  They could also be going over the hard drive they took, assuming they copied it before giving it back.  Could be they are talking to people but doing it quietly.  I can see them wearing floppy hats and flipflops and Hard Rock t-shirts so no one even knows who they are as they move silently around the island doing their work to take down the perps, the drug dealers, the corrupt officials.  The Queen could be getting a fax soon telling her which judge's robes need to be yanked.  With all the corruption and complicity on the island, they have to be very quiet and careful.


I agree, LilPuma.  Easy to imagine them posing as Dutch tourists and listening to all the island gossip about the case.  Who knows what gems of information they can pick up that way.


Exactly!  Like at a poker table or on the golf course.  Maybe on a catamaran or fishing boat.  If they're going to solve this case, and I'm still hoping and praying they truly want to, they know they have to look at the coverup.  They obviously know that there's corruption involved in this case or they wouldn't have insisted on separate offices from ALE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 12:23:55 AM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Easy ... I agree.

I contend that Aruba/Holland have hit a road block but there is no turning back ... the implications of solving the Natalee Holloway case are so far reaching.  The fallout is too huge to comprehend when you consider ... Paulus Van der Sloot … the sons of the elite … those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the coverup; the judiciary as well as drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography …money laundering …

IMO

Janet


I'm not certain Paulus is that well connected.  His case before the European Court of Human Rights back in 1992 list his siblings.

http://tinyurl.com/wtg7w


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:24:46 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Hi Angie .........

Charles Croes Stepped Down From His Original Statement .............

He Was Told To Button His Lip ...............

 8)
Yes, he sure did. But, we will not forget that he DID say it. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:25:53 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I think that lil ole island is monitored a lot more than we think. Because of drugs, porn, prostitution, casinos, money laundering etc etc... I also have the opinion that a lot of my aforementioned is overlooked, intentionally....You rub my back , I will rub yours, but if you go down ...we all go down. If that makes sense.


Yea!  Like Oduber's son is accused of raping a girl, but that's covered up and smoothed over and when he tells ALE to let the FBI in on Holloway someone whispers the girl's name in his ear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 12:30:49 AM
Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Easywriter"

A mere speck floating atop the Caribbean Ocean becomes the focus of worldwide attention, because a young girl misses her flight home.  Nothing of consequence is done by the U.S. and the Netherlands stand back and claim their hands are tied due to a hybrid separation that took place years earlier.  What is the real reason both countries attempted to distance themselves from the case of Natalee Holloway?

Aruba has been in political turmoil for a number of years and the ruling party continues to vocally align themselves with Hugo Chavez’s regime only twenty nautical miles away.  Could this be the over-riding factor in the decisions made by both the U.S. and the Netherlands to remain aloof?


If Puerto Rico screwed something like this up would we jump in?  Could we?


If the U.S. had made a deal with Puerto Rica that resembled anything like the “Status Aparte” achieved by Betico Croes in 1986, I doubt we would be very quick to rush in and tell them how to do business.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: lexie on May 08, 2007, 12:35:02 AM
I cannot believe any publisher actually took a chance on Joran's book.  What we have seen so far leaves little doubt that he is a narcissistic out-of-control wannabe.  Beth Twitty was so right about letting him continue to talk!

So, what are his fans over at RU/FOB saying, now that they have seen more of their hero??  Or can they even recognize what a negative picture he paints of himself?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 12:35:04 AM
Boxer Hector "Macho" Camacho sent to jail following guilty plea
May 7, 2007

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ap-camachoplea&prov=ap&type=lgns
GULFPORT, Miss. (AP) -- Three-time boxing champion Hector "Macho" Camacho was sent to jail Monday after pleading guilty to a 2004 burglary charge.

Heres a lawyer for you..Camacho had bought a laptop from the business but had left it there for work on technical problems. He was trying to retrieve his computer, his attorney, David Morrison, said. The break-in was "a momentary lapse in judgment," he added.

Heres what really happened..Wayne Woodall, the Wheelers' attorney, claims Camacho fell through the ceiling, cut himself, urinated inside the office and left with seven laptops and about $5,600 in checks and cash.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:38:48 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Easy ... I agree.

I contend that Aruba/Holland have hit a road block but there is no turning back ... the implications of solving the Natalee Holloway case are so far reaching.  The fallout is too huge to comprehend when you consider ... Paulus Van der Sloot … the sons of the elite … those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the coverup; the judiciary as well as drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography …money laundering …

IMO

Janet


I'm not certain Paulus is that well connected.  His case before the European Court of Human Rights back in 1992 list his siblings.

http://tinyurl.com/wtg7w


 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:39:21 AM
Consider also that Aruba didn't even want to be part of the Netherlands Antilles..........They wanted complete autonomy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com



  Thanks Yap!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 12:40:09 AM
I am hugging Nemo for the night...just a quick request...please drop by the Lounge and look up the prayer requests of all our monkeys.  They need our help and a small prayer is never too much to ask.  Night all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 12:40:43 AM
Niters Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I am hugging Nemo for the night...just a quick request...please drop by the Lounge and look up the prayer requests of all our monkeys.  They need our help and a small prayer is never too much to ask.  Night all.

  Night Lalas.. hugs to you too!!  Already posted at the prayer thread.
I will hug Nemo when I deprat as well.. :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:41:51 AM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Niters Monkeys


  Night YAP.. and Lalas.. I meant depart  :roll:    :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:44:01 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
I cannot believe any publisher actually took a chance on Joran's book.  What we have seen so far leaves little doubt that he is a narcissistic out-of-control wannabe.  Beth Twitty was so right about letting him continue to talk!

So, what are his fans over at RU/FOB saying, now that they have seen more of their hero??  Or can they even recognize what a negative picture he paints of himself?
I think maybe 1 or 2 whole people at those sites said they don't like the sound of the book. But, ashamedly, there are the diehards who think he is a nice boy who did nothing wrong  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 12:45:07 AM
Heading out on errands myself.  BBL but I guess you will all be snuggled up in the treetops by then.

Nite nite Monkey friends


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
I cannot believe any publisher actually took a chance on Joran's book.  What we have seen so far leaves little doubt that he is a narcissistic out-of-control wannabe.  Beth Twitty was so right about letting him continue to talk!

So, what are his fans over at RU/FOB saying, now that they have seen more of their hero??  Or can they even recognize what a negative picture he paints of himself?


 Hi Lexie.. have'nt read either place as of late.. dont have the time.. BUT some RU members seem to perhaps were having a change of heart is seemed :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 12:46:12 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
If the Dutch do nothing, it will be a serious black eye for their investigative skills.  Are they willing to quietly let this case languish, or will they prove that they deserve the accolades some have given NFI?


i still say the more time they take initially is good news

but thats just me  8)


Something just seems very out of kilter in all of this.  It has to be larger than one missing girl.  Countries do not buckle to their knees over such cases.  There is something going on here that is not obvious……


Easy ... I agree.

I contend that Aruba/Holland have hit a road block but there is no turning back ... the implications of solving the Natalee Holloway case are so far reaching.  The fallout is too huge to comprehend when you consider ... Paulus Van der Sloot … the sons of the elite … those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who participated in the coverup; the judiciary as well as drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography …money laundering …

IMO

Janet


I'm not certain Paulus is that well connected.  His case before the European Court of Human Rights back in 1992 list his siblings.

http://tinyurl.com/wtg7w


 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..


I don’t think that is right.  None of those people show up in the Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others against the Netherlands and registered on 10 October 1989 under file No. 15596/89


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:47:05 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Heading out on errands myself.  BBL but I guess you will all be snuggled up in the treetops by then.

Nite nite Monkey friends


 Night Tibro  :)
 Have a great Tuesday  :) :)  At least we know tomorrow will come here in the US!  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:49:42 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Heading out on errands myself.  BBL but I guess you will all be snuggled up in the treetops by then.

Nite nite Monkey friends


Night Tibro.  Don't forget to pick up some chopped wood for the fireplace.  Getting cold down there soon, eh?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 12:50:39 AM
Just goin over the new case files..I noticed the lawyers for Mcgraw are requesting the Copies of all documents relating to the interview of Deepak Kalpoe on June 10th,2005 with detectives Johnny Erasmus and Clyde Burke

Of course the Kalpoe attorneys are objecting to that and everything else..That should be a very interesting Interview..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:51:38 AM
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..[/quote]Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:53:12 AM
Quote from: "lexie"
I cannot believe any publisher actually took a chance on Joran's book.  What we have seen so far leaves little doubt that he is a narcissistic out-of-control wannabe.  Beth Twitty was so right about letting him continue to talk!

So, what are his fans over at RU/FOB saying, now that they have seen more of their hero??  Or can they even recognize what a negative picture he paints of himself?


Lexie, I'm thinking someone may have convinced the publisher to publish this book to get Joran talking, keep him talking and get it out there so the world sees him for what he is.  When you consider also that his notes were supposedly stolen, it starts to sound suspicious.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Heading out on errands myself.  BBL but I guess you will all be snuggled up in the treetops by then.

Nite nite Monkey friends
Goodnight Tibro!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Just goin over the new case files..I noticed the lawyers for Mcgraw are requesting the Copies of all documents relating to the interview of Deepak Kalpoe on June 10th,2005 with detectives Johnny Erasmus and Clyde Burke

Of course the Kalpoe attorneys are objecting to that and everything else..That should be a very interesting Interview..


Right here unless there is a 2nd one that day:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=215


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:57:13 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..
Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp[/quote]

 Elaine. the middle photo is HANS and he is a dr.. I am trying to look  for Marco..  I saved these for a reason... LOL.. Perhaps ROB or Janet [/b or someone can help me out when they see the photos..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.
Boy Easy, I wish there was a way you could get that info and copy and paste it here. I would love to see it. And It wont download here for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 12:58:51 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.



 So.. those 2 other photos are not PVDS brothers then?  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 01:00:54 AM
Thats weird Klaas they are requesting those docs as of 4-19-07..Wonder why they would be asking for them again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:01:31 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.
Boy Easy, I wish there was a way you could get that info and copy and paste it here. I would love to see it. And It wont download here for me.


 It don't work for me either?   Must not like us PA folks Elaine..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:05:19 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..
Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp


 Elaine. the middle photo is HANS and he is a dr.. I am trying to look  for Marco..  I saved these for a reason... LOL.. Perhaps ROB or Janet [/b or someone can help me out when they see the photos..[/quote]Here is a picture of the fellow I found...Dr Paul G Van Der Sloot  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/apaulvds.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:05:33 AM
Quote from: "*******"
Thats weird Klaas they are requesting those docs as of 4-19-07..Wonder why they would be asking for them again.

They, the Dr. Phil people are requesting everything they were told are in the dossier whether or not it's been posted on the internet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 01:06:35 AM
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:06:57 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.
Boy Easy, I wish there was a way you could get that info and copy and paste it here. I would love to see it. And It wont download here for me.


 It don't work for me either?   Must not like us PA folks Elaine..lol
I wish I could see it! Angie, some of my quotes got messed up, sorry. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:07:21 AM
KLAAS
 Have you ever came across those photos that I posted of Marco and Hans VDS??  Thanks..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:08:48 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
EASY
 I  dont remember what link I had.. but had those saved in my photobucket as being PVDS brothers?  Marco and Hans.,,


That was erroneous information sent across some message boards that did not prove out.  Unfortunately, it hangs around because it is more interesting than the truth.  All of Paulus’ family members, including parents, siblings, etc. can be found in the case file of the Van der Sloots vs. the Netherlands.  The ’92 case also list PVDS as a lawyer practicing in Boxtel.  Dry, but interesting read.
Boy Easy, I wish there was a way you could get that info and copy and paste it here. I would love to see it. And It wont download here for me.


 It don't work for me either?   Must not like us PA folks Elaine..lol
I wish I could see it! Angie, some of my quotes got messed up, sorry. :oops:


 No apolgies Elaine.. most of my quote are always "F"d up  . think by now I would know wtf I was doing..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:10:08 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KLAAS
 Have you ever came across those photos that I posted of Marco and Hans VDS??  Thanks..

Yep, it's from that Judicial Biz site.  Alot of stuff at that site is incorrect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:11:48 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 01:13:41 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Maybe it is me.  I might have saved the file and I will search tomorrow.  Too, too late now cause my brain is shutting down....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:13:45 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KLAAS
 Have you ever came across those photos that I posted of Marco and Hans VDS??  Thanks..

Yep, it's from that Judicial Biz site.  Alot of stuff at that site is incorrect.

 
 Thanks Klaas.. I had them saved in my bucket.. but dunno why.  :oops:
 Oh well..   I tryed.. lol
  So... those are NOT PVDS brothers then?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:13:47 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Not this time, I can't get in either..get the same error.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:14:36 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KLAAS
 Have you ever came across those photos that I posted of Marco and Hans VDS??  Thanks..

Yep, it's from that Judicial Biz site.  Alot of stuff at that site is incorrect.

 
 Thanks Klaas.. I had them saved in my bucket.. but dunno why.  :oops:
 Oh well..   I tryed.. lol
  So... those are NOT PVDS brothers then?

I really never researched his brothers but I've heard they are not.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:15:25 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Maybe it is me.  I might have saved the file and I will search tomorrow.  Too, too late now cause my brain is shutting down....


 No problem..!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:18:20 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
KLAAS
 Have you ever came across those photos that I posted of Marco and Hans VDS??  Thanks..

Yep, it's from that Judicial Biz site.  Alot of stuff at that site is incorrect.

 
 Thanks Klaas.. I had them saved in my bucket.. but dunno why.  :oops:
 Oh well..   I tryed.. lol
  So... those are NOT PVDS brothers then?

I really never researched his brothers but I've heard they are not.


 TY Klaas........
 And I am glad I am not the only one getting errors. Not to be rude.lol
 I just tryed again.. and got this...

Error:
area [portalhbkmRetrieve]
number [-1]
description [hbkm query in status]
value [error]
 An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.  


 :smt102


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:19:57 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Not this time, I can't get in either..get the same error.
me three, cannot get it,,, Maybe tommorow, when Easy is rested he can give us some of what it says. I can't help it, my curiosity is arroused by that lawsuit!! Paulus has sued the Dutch...how many times? Hmmm at least two so far!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:22:42 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..
Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp


 Elaine. the middle photo is HANS and he is a dr.. I am trying to look  for Marco..  I saved these for a reason... LOL.. Perhaps ROB or Janet [/b or someone can help me out when they see the photos..
Here is a picture of the fellow I found...Dr Paul G Van Der Sloot  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/meerlyhere/apaulvds.gif)[/quote]This picture I copied here of this Doctor Paul Van Der Sloot, here in the US....am I losing it, or do I see a family resemblence?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:23:55 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
It is a very big pdf file.  I guess I can't do the tiny url thing right.  Try this link, click all the search options and then enter van der sloot.  Search and the file should be the first in the list.  The birth dates make it clear what generation each belongs to.

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/search.asp?sessionid=9999014&skin=hudoc-en


  Thanks Mike.. :)
  I tryed it and this is what  I get

An error occurred in portalhbkmRetrieve.
Click here to return to the search screen.

 Maybe  Windows Vista  isn't supported there?   :wink:
 VISTA sucks donkey pecker..   :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Not this time, I can't get in either..get the same error.
me three, cannot get it,,, Maybe tommorow, when Easy is rested he can give us some of what it says. I can't help it, my curiosity is arroused by that lawsuit!! Paulus has sued the Dutch...how many times? Hmmm at least two so far!!


 yep.. let Easy sleep on it and hope he can post the highlights ~!
<psssttttttttt Elaine. its gonna be 80 here tomorrow..  :lol:  :lol: >


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 08, 2007, 01:25:05 AM
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
I was actually sweating today, and yup tom. is gonna be warmer. PS, Not sweating anywhere near what sweatyass does :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:29:35 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


 Digusting as hell !!!!!!!!!!!1

  ELAINE.. you were sweating  :shock:      :wink:
 Glad we are FINALLY having some gorgeous weather!!
 Damn snow and cold is depressing..  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:29:36 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.
But he says his peeps always came to him, when they needed one. Because he claims he always carried them. More contradictions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:31:09 AM
Humm. . .that doctor looks much to sane to be a van der Sloot, at least one of the Paulus vdSloots.  

I agree with Easy and can hardly wait to see what else totally stupid Joran will say next in that dread-awful book of his.  It is hard to believe any rational human would say the things he does.  That publisher has to be missing a few marbles to have ever backed something so shallow and self serving!

I can believe the Dutch investigators were reading it and laughing because it is funny and the sad part is Joran is totally serious and doesn't realize how vain and narcissistic he sounds and with so little reason to do so!

I know the young are usually in love with themselves but he takes it to a whole new level and his lack of basic insight is just stunning!  It is sort of shocking to read and yet funny in a sad way that he can actually think people will read that and believe a word he says.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


 Digusting as hell !!!!!!!!!!!1

  ELAINE.. you were sweating  :shock:      :wink:
 Glad we are FINALLY having some gorgeous weather!!
 Damn snow and cold is depressing..  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Yes, and the sunshine is an anti-depressant  :) I have bronchitis, that keeps creeping back up on me, everytime I think it is gone...it is back! For a month now. I guess I'd better break down and go to the dang doctor.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:34:12 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


Don't be so sure, Igs!

Sounds like just the kind of thing he WOULD put in that disgusting book of his!

He seems to have no ability to see himself as others have to see him.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:34:17 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.
But he says his peeps always came to him, when they needed one. Because he claims he always carried them. More contradictions.


Thats sick too..  Oh I wanna get laid.. so we wil find JVDS to get a rubber? Gimme a break.  Hell.. they sell them in machines in restrooms for crying out loud!  Even in SHEETZ. male and female restrooms.. Dunno if you go those in your area of PA Elaine?
  JVDS the condom machine..  :puker:  :puker:  :pukel:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:34:21 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
I was actually sweating today, and yup tom. is gonna be warmer. PS, Not sweating anywhere near what sweatyass does :wink:


90 here today, I hate it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:36:27 AM
Control freak.  It's his way of implying that he some how was in control of other people's sexual actitivy.

He only wishes!

But more proof he is one sick puppy!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:36:31 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Humm. . .that doctor looks much to sane to be a van der Sloot, at least one of the Paulus vdSloots.  

I agree with Easy and can hardly wait to see what else totally stupid Joran will say next in that dread-awful book of his.  It is hard to believe any rational human would say the things he does.  That publisher has to be missing a few marbles to have ever backed something so shallow and self serving!

I can believe the Dutch investigators were reading it and laughing because it is funny and the sad part is Joran is totally serious and doesn't realize how vain and narcissistic he sounds and with so little reason to do so!

I know the young are usually in love with themselves but he takes it to a whole new level and his lack of basic insight is just stunning!  It is sort of shocking to read and yet funny in a sad way that he can actually think people will read that and believe a word he says.

.
Anna, maybe I am just on a Van der sloot overload, and need to refresh my brain :smt003  :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:37:00 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


 Digusting as hell !!!!!!!!!!!1

  ELAINE.. you were sweating  :shock:      :wink:
 Glad we are FINALLY having some gorgeous weather!!
 Damn snow and cold is depressing..  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Yes, and the sunshine is an anti-depressant  :) I have bronchitis, that keeps creeping back up on me, everytime I think it is gone...it is back! For a month now. I guess I'd better break down and go to the dang doctor.


 Been to the dr 2 times.. and I still have bronchtis and a sinus infection.. :evil:  :evil:  Ben sick for about a month now.. :(
 Friggin customers hack all over yah and not cover their mouth.. pisses me off. Next time someone does it.. I dont think I can keep my trap shut!
 Its Rude as heck!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 01:38:07 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..
Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp[/quote]

Marco, Harpo, Groucho, (add anita & joran) and you have porko and puko.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:38:18 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I was actually sweating today, and yup tom. is gonna be warmer. PS, Not sweating anywhere near what sweatyass does :wink:


90 here today, I hate it.


  LOL Klaas.. if you lived in PA.. you would welcome it..trust me  :wink:
 Snow and cold is very depressing!!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.
But he says his peeps always came to him, when they needed one. Because he claims he always carried them. More contradictions.


Thats sick too..  Oh I wanna get laid.. so we wil find JVDS to get a rubber? Gimme a break.  Hell.. they sell them in machines in restrooms for crying out loud!  Even in SHEETZ. male and female restrooms.. Dunno if you go those in your area of PA Elaine?
  JVDS the condom machine..  :puker:  :puker:  :pukel:
LOL, yes we have sheetz galore out here! With the machines and all LMAO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 08, 2007, 01:40:30 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


Don't be so sure, Igs!

Well, he left her out of his *girlfriends* chapter.

Also noticed he paints Karen Martina as unstable. No surprise there...she being the one made a statement to the police.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:40:38 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Control freak.  It's his way of implying that he some how was in control of other people's sexual actitivy.

He only wishes!

But more proof he is one sick puppy!

.

 I agree Anna~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:40:52 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Elaine"
I was actually sweating today, and yup tom. is gonna be warmer. PS, Not sweating anywhere near what sweatyass does :wink:


90 here today, I hate it.
90..wow, that would be hot to us.!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:41:54 AM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.
But he says his peeps always came to him, when they needed one. Because he claims he always carried them. More contradictions.


Thats sick too..  Oh I wanna get laid.. so we wil find JVDS to get a rubber? Gimme a break.  Hell.. they sell them in machines in restrooms for crying out loud!  Even in SHEETZ. male and female restrooms.. Dunno if you go those in your area of PA Elaine?
  JVDS the condom machine..  :puker:  :puker:  :pukel:
LOL, yes we have sheetz galore out here! With the machines and all LMAO!


  :)  quite a selection in those machines . huh?    :wink:   LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:43:03 AM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Elaine"
[quote="Angiex911dsptchr
 That link didn't work for me... for some reason?
 PVS and his siblings...

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/mvds.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/hans2.jpg)  (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/Paulus.jpg)

Marco the first pic.. brother hHns and sweaty ass himself..
Didn't work for me either, wonder if this guy is related (perhaps a son of one of these brothers?) ...Paul Van Der Sloot  :shock:  :shock:  http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/otolaryngology/vandersloot.asp


Marco, Harpo, Groucho, (add anita & joran) and you have porko and puko.[/quote]LMAO...porko and puko...lol I woke the dogs up with that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 01:46:41 AM
:shock:  I did not realize how late it is.   I have to open in the morning.
 Goodnight everyone.. and Hugs to Nemo and CP..
 Sweet Dreams.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:47:14 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"


  :)  quite a selection in those machines . huh?    :wink:   LMAO
Angie, we have one that is a surprise hunt of sorts...for 50 Cents..you get something diff each time. I have heard that one has some funny things come out of it....LMAO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:49:27 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:shock:  I did not realize how late it is.   I have to open in the morning.
 Goodnight everyone.. and Hugs to Nemo and CP..
 Sweet Dreams.......
Goodnight!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 01:49:40 AM
Hello everyone...whoever is still up.  As usual while the discussions have been going on I've been back reading last night and earlier today!  I can never keep up and my comments are always out of date...which is why I don't comment.   I did see one thing I wanted to reply to:

Lala's Mom, 5/7/07, this am, said something to the effect that she remembered early in the cases Beth said she knew Natalee had been kidnapped.  I just wanted to throw in that at one time I had a copy of the photo of the very first poster Beth put up which said Natalee had been kidnapped.  The poster was soon changed to say she was "missing."   I'll bet Klaas or somebody has a copy of that photo.  I lost it when my computer was stolen last July.

Nite all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:50:17 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thpullhair.gif)(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thpullhair.gif)(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thpullhair.gif)(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thpullhair.gif)(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thpullhair.gif)

Robots,

I see your sneaky little tiny writing.  You still just don't understand about the shoes and have it totally backwards!

If Joran were going to change tags, he would change them to make the shoes 14's and NOT 10.5's!  

But if you don't get it after sixty pages, it is time to move on.  It doesn't matter what size shoe he actually wore, he had put the 14's to be found on the beach.  He got caught planting evidence and before Beth arrived according to Deepak already mentioning sports shoes that night.

I don't know any more ways to explain it.  Maybe it will just click one of these days for you and you will get it.

Moving along. . .

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 01:51:26 AM
Hi Elaine!  I love your avi!  

Nite!   :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


Don't be so sure, Igs!

Well, he left her out of his *girlfriends* chapter.

Also noticed he paints Karen Martina as unstable. No surprise there...she being the one made a statement to the police.
I wonder how all these people he knows take to his criticism of them in his book.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: "tidycat"
Hi Elaine!  I love your avi!  

Nite!   :D
{{{{{Tidycat}}}}}}} Long time no see!! Your avi is neat too!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 01:53:02 AM
Hi Anna!  You look beautiful!  Nite!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 01:54:13 AM
Thanks Elaine!   I love y'all but gotta shut it down.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "igsigs"
Betcha Joran did not include his 6/24 PV in the book.

Which includes Rika, his 12 yr old girlfriend.

6/24 also includes, unbelievably, another *no condom* story.


Don't be so sure, Igs!

Well, he left her out of his *girlfriends* chapter.

Also noticed he paints Karen Martina as unstable. No surprise there...she being the one made a statement to the police.



You mean he left out getting caught under a table with the 12 yo?  

I would think he considers most females as unstable as he seems to realy dislike them.   Otherwise his treatment and regard for them would be entirely different.

And he is just always so much smarter than they are too, it seems.  You are ahead of me reading but I do want to read the whole summary of what he has to say.

It's very revealing!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 01:57:16 AM
Good grief!  It just started raining here and I didn't expect it!   I guess I missed Angie...goodnight anyway Angie!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:58:34 AM
Quote from: "tidycat"
Hi Anna!  You look beautiful!  Nite!  :lol:


You are looking spiffy yourself, Tidy!

Good to see you.  Hard to keep up these days and I, too, just can't stay awake tonight any longer.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 02:00:01 AM
Not enough hours in my days any more!

Eyes are closing so will head for the monkey bunkey!

Goodnight all!

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 02:01:55 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
Not enough hours in my days any more!

Eyes are closing so will head for the monkey bunkey!

Goodnight all!

.
Goodnight Anna, right behind you! Goodnight klaas, and any other monkeys still around!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 02:08:31 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:05:00 AM
Fit's very well in your suggestion for the continuing story of "unbelievable events in the NH case".

Lovejust,


I must admit though, many of the postings here at FOB have provided me with some really good belly laughs.What is even funnier about the comments posted is that they are all based on real, live events. "Shaven pubes," indeed!!!

I still find it hard to believe a mother would get on TV and announce that to the world.
Last edited on Mon May 7th, 2007 12:14 pm by scubajap


Looks like scubajap and the rest of the idiots is having a blast making fun of someone who was drugged unconscious and assaulted and never seen again.You would expect more from a mother. Based on her comments she thinks its hilarious that beth had to describe the assault Natalee went through before she went missing on TV. Even funnier to her that their sick jokes are based on a real victim and her family.. (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/thbarf.gif)
Your a pig scubajap!!


Title: Laughing
Post by: IBE on May 08, 2007, 04:30:11 AM
I'm 20 pages behind in reading but I can't stop laughing:

over Easy's quote:
Quote
Yesterday it was reported that a rash of 911 calls went out across the country during the afternoon. The symptoms were all identical. People were stuck in the shape of a pretzel with a tennis shoe in one hand and a mouse in the other. No explanation was immediately known for this sudden outbreak of pretzelitus.
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Everyone was serious but it was funny also and we need a humorous break along with finding Justice for Natalee.

Keep up the Good Works, Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Leslie on May 08, 2007, 06:59:25 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 07:40:33 AM
This is the document I was talking about last night.  The list of applicants appears to be members of the Van Der Sloot clan.

*****************************

 AS TO THE ADMISSIBILITY OF

                      Application No. 15596/89
                      by Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others
                      against the Netherlands


      The European Commission of Human Rights (Second Chamber) sitting
in private on 1 July 1992, the following members being present:

             MM.  S. TRECHSEL, President of the Second Chamber
                  G. JÖRUNDSSON
                  A. WEITZEL
                  J.-C. SOYER
                  H. G. SCHERMERS
                  H. DANELIUS
             Mrs. G. H. THUNE
             MM.  F. MARTINEZ
                  L. LOUCAIDES
                  J.-C. GEUS


             Mr.  K. ROGGE, Secretary to the Second Chamber


      Having regard to Article 25 of the Convention for the Protection
of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms;

      Having regard to the application introduced on 22 June 1989 by
Allegonda VAN DER SLOOT and others against the Netherlands and
registered on 10 October 1989 under file No. 15596/89;

      Having regard to the report provided for in Rule 47 of the Rules
of Procedure of the Commission;

      Having deliberated;

      Decides as follows:


THE FACTS

      The applicants are 15 inhabitants of Boxtel, 3 inhabitants of
Vught, 1 inhabitant of Sassenheim, 1 inhabitant of Best, 1 inhabitant
of Tilburg, an environmental association with its registered seat in
Den Dungen and a residence association with its registered seat in
Boxtel, the Netherlands.  Their names are appended (Appendix I).

      Before the Commission the applicants are represented by Mr.
P.A.P.J. van der Sloot, a lawyer practising in Boxtel.

      The facts of the case as submitted by the applicants may be
summarised as follows.

      On 24 May 1973 the Municipal Council (Gemeenteraad) of Boxtel,
departing from the existing zoning plan, adopted the zoning plan
"Stapelen", in which a road was planned through the recreational and
scenic nature area "De Vorstakkers".  Following objections by some of
the applicants, the Crown, by Royal Decree (Koninklijke Besluit) of 11
August 1976, refused to approve the part of the zoning plan which
concerned that road.

      On 23 May 1984 the Municipal Council of Boxtel, after having
considered the applicants' objections concerning, inter alia, expected
pollution, noise and stench, adopted the zoning plan "Zuidelijke
Hoofdweg", in which again a road was planned through "De Vorstakkers".
After having considered the applicants' objections against this new
plan, the Provincial Executive (Gedeputeerde Staten) of Noord-Brabant
approved the new zoning plan in its decision of 27 March 1985. The
applicants subsequently appealed to the Crown.

      In the proceedings before the Crown, the Administrative
Litigation Division of the Council of State (Afdeling geschillen van
bestuur van de Raad van State) advised the Crown on 27 July 1987 and
18 April 1988 to quash the decision of 27 March 1985 by the Provincial
Executive and to withhold approval of the zoning plan.

      The Crown, in its Royal Decree of 28 December 1988, partially
quashed the decision of the Provincial Executive, but the plan for the
road was upheld.

      In order to start the construction of the road, pending the
approval of the entire zoning plan "Zuidelijke Hoofdweg", so-called
anticipation proceedings were started.

      By decision of 18 March 1986 the Provincial Executive of Noord-
Brabant granted the Municipal Executive (Burgemeester en Wethouders)
of Boxtel a declaration of non-objection (verklaring van geen bezwaar)
concerning the first construction phase of the road.  Some of the
applicants filed objections against this decision, which the Provincial
Executive rejected on 16 September 1986.  These applicants subsequently
appealed to the Judicial Division of the Council of State (Afdeling
Rechtspraak van de Raad van State).

      By decision of 6 May 1986 the Municipal Executive of Boxtel, on
the basis of the above declaration of non-objection, granted the
Municipality of Boxtel an exemption from the conditions of the zoning
plan in force concerning the construction of a specific section of the
road.

      The objections by some of the applicants against this exemption
were rejected by the Municipal Executive of Boxtel on 15 April 1987.
These applicants subsequently appealed to the Judicial Division.

      The Judicial Division joined the appeals against the decisions
of 16 September 1986 and 15 April 1987 and on 26 February 1990 quashed
both decisions.  The Judicial Division held, inter alia, that the
authorities at issue, after having balanced the interests involved,
could not reasonably have reached their decisions.  The Judicial
Division considered that, at the time these decisions were taken, there
were serious doubts on the Crown's approval of the proposed zoning
plan, taking into account that, in respect of the road, it was quite
similar to the "Stapelen" zoning plan, the approval of which had been
refused by the Crown on 11 August 1976.

      The Municipality of Boxtel had, with a view to the construction
of the road, also started expropriation proceedings against three of
the applicants. The expropriation was pronounced by the Regional Court
(Arrondissementsrechtbank) of 's-Hertogenbosch by judgment of 2 October
1987.  On appeal, the Supreme Court (Hoge Raad) in its decision of 25
May 1988 quashed the judgment of the Regional Court and referred the
case back to the Regional Court.

      By judgment of 10 November 1989 the Regional Court of 's-
Hertogenbosch refused the request for expropriation by the Municipality
of Boxtel.

      On 10 September 1990 the Municipal Council of Boxtel, upon a
proposal by the Municipal Executive, decided to abandon the plans for
the construction of the road at issue and to end all related
proceedings. The Municipal Council subsequently started proceedings in
order to revoke the Royal Decree of 28 December 1988, which proceedings
are still pending.


COMPLAINTS

      The applicants originally complained under Article 6 para. 1 of
the Convention that the Crown, in the determination of their civil
rights and obligations, was not an independent and impartial tribunal,
that the reasonable time had been exceeded as the proceedings at issue
started already in 1973 and the outcome was still not clear and that
the principle of "ne bis in idem" had not been respected in that the
proceedings on the plan of the road were re-opened in the second set
of administrative proceedings on the zoning plan.

      Following the Municipality's decision of 10 September 1990 to
abandon the plans for the construction of the road and to end all
related proceedings, the applicants have maintained their complaint
concerning the length of the proceedings, including the legal costs
involved. They acknowledge that they could claim compensation but
submit that they would thereby risk further lengthy proceedings.


THE LAW

      The applicants originally complained under Article 6 para. 1
(Art. 6-2) of the Convention that their civil rights and obligations
have not been determined within a reasonable time by an independent and
impartial tribunal and that the principle of "ne bis in idem" has not
been respected.

      Article 6 para. 1 (Art. 6-1) of the Convention, insofar as
relevant, provides as follows:

      "In the determination of his civil rights and obligations
      (...), everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing
      within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial
      tribunal established by law."

      The Commission observes that the applicants were involved in
proceedings concerning a zoning plan envisaging the construction of a
road.

      The Commission notes under Article 25 (Art. 25) of the Convention
that on 10 September 1990 the Municipality of Boxtel abandoned its
plans for the construction of the road at issue and all related
proceedings, but that so far no final decision to revoke the Royal
Decree of 28 December 1988 has been taken.

      The Commission further observes in respect of Article 26
(Art. 26) of the Convention that the applicants have not sought
compensation for the costs they incurred in the proceedings at issue.

      However, even assuming that the applicants can be considered as
victims within the meaning of Article 25 (Art. 25) of the Convention
and have exhausted all domestic remedies within the meaning of Article
26 (Art. 26) of the Convention, the Commission considers that the
proceedings at issue on the adoption of a new zoning plan envisaging
the construction of a road did not, in the particular circumstances of
the present case, determine any civil rights or obligations within the
meaning of Article 6 para. 1 (Art. 6-1) of the Convention (cf. mutatis
mutandis No. 11844/85, Dec. 29.2.88, D.R. 55 p. 205).

      It follows that the application is incompatible ratione materiae
with the provisions of the Convention within the meaning of Article 27
para. 2 (Art. 27-2) of the Convention.

      For these reasons, the Commission, unanimously

      DECLARES THE APPLICATION INADMISSIBLE.

Secretary to the Second Chamber       President of the Second Chamber

        (K. ROGGE)                           (S. TRECHSEL)

                              APPENDIX  I

                        List of the applicants

1)  Allegonda   VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1947, residing in Boxtel;

2)  Freek       VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1971, residing in Boxtel;

3)  Ingrid      VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1968, residing in Boxtel;

4)  Marinus     VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1941, residing in Boxtel;

5)  Bernardus   MAAS,          born in 1909, residing in Boxtel;

6)  Lamberdina  VAN DE SANDE,  born in 1936, residing in Boxtel;

7)  Johannes    VAN DE SANDE,  born in 1938, residing in Vught;

8)  Wilhelmus   VAN LEEUWEN,   born in 1925, residing in Sassenheim;

9)  Adriana     VAN DER SLOOT-
                VAN KRIEKEN,   born in 1911, residing in Boxtel;

10) Marjo       VAN DE SANDE,  born in 1968, residing in Vught;

11) Cornelis    VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1929, residing in Boxtel;

12) Johannes    SPOOR,         born in 1944, residing in Best;

13) Cornelia    SPOOR,         born in 1942, residing in Boxtel;

14) Henricus    KLIJN,         born in 1955, residing in Tilburg;

15) Gerarda     KLIJN,         born in 1955, residing in Boxtel;

16) Lambertus   VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1942, residing in Boxtel;

17) Johannes    DOMS,          born in 1943, residing in Boxtel;

18) Marie       VAN DE SANDE,  born in 1966, residing in Vught;

19) Petrus      VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1947, residing in Boxtel;

20) Johannes    VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1933, residing in Boxtel;

21) Paulus      VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1952, residing in Boxtel;

22) Milieuvereniging "Het Groene Hart" with its registered seat in Den
    Dungen;

23) Bewonersvereniging Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg with its registered
seat in Boxtel.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Frijole on May 08, 2007, 07:52:02 AM
Morning Easy... my favorite is "Freek Van der Sloot".... that pretty much sums up that gene pool.... Have a great day!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Robots,

I see your sneaky little tiny writing.  You still just don't understand about the shoes and have it totally backwards!

If Joran were going to change tags, he would change them to make the shoes 14's and NOT 10.5's!  

But if you don't get it after sixty pages, it is time to move on.  It doesn't matter what size shoe he actually wore, he had put the 14's to be found on the beach.  He got caught planting evidence and before Beth arrived according to Deepak already mentioning sports shoes that night.

I don't know any more ways to explain it.  Maybe it will just click one of these days for you and you will get it.

Moving along. . .

.



we dont know anything positively as FACT concerning the shoes
we dont know, we just dont know, we dont know


i know what you are saying i have read it 18 times

unless he was trying to blame someone else like a K2 brother

he may never have tried planting anything on the beech... i dont think he was ever on the beech with natalee nor was he on the beech planting shoes.. they are stuck in mud somewhere and even that we dont know


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 08:31:58 AM
*** I'ts Hot!  It's New!  It's Sweeping Holland! ***


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:


Good Morning Everyone...

My opinion on this is ~ This case has put Aruba in a very precarious position. The longer the case goes on the bigger risk that ARUBA is LOST to Chavez.

Anyone who understands foreign ploicy realizes it is better to get rid of the problem as soon as possible, (hence the CIA's three attempts to over throw Chavez in his early day) than to wait and allow a major coup through either bad economic times and / or strife.

After two years, Aruba is easier to pick off than should this case have been concluded in the first few weeks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: wreck on May 08, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "wreck"
One of my theories for a long time has been that this whole mess goes WAY up the line -- all the way to the US State Department and The Hague.  
It became very clear to these two entities that the Aruban Government was in this up to their eyeballs.
You just can't go in and bring down the entire government of a country without a LOT of wrangling and planning by BOTH the U.S. and The Netherlands. Remember, Aruba is still very much teetering with their own Sovereignty issues. Throw in Chavez in the mix and you have a very precarious situation there.
While justice in the Natalee Holloway case is a concern -- unfortunately the whole Sovereignty issue is what is driving the involvement of the Dutch.
( my theory is this will all be resolved eventually -- but it will be HUGE in the aftermath)  :shock:  :?:  :shock:


Good Morning Everyone...

My opinion on this is ~ This case has put Aruba in a very precarious position. The longer the case goes on the bigger risk that ARUBA is LOST to Chavez.

Anyone who understands foreign ploicy realizes it is better to get rid of the problem as soon as possible, (hence the CIA's three attempts to over throw Chavez in his early day) than to wait and allow a major coup through either bad economic times and / or strife.

After two years, Aruba is easier to pick off than should this case have been concluded in the first few weeks.


EXACTLY!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:13:58 AM
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on May 08, 2007, 09:23:05 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


It is quite funny actually.. If it wasn't so sad.  Ya see, Joran is telling the truth that he lies all the time so his lies really don't count because he admits he lies.   :roll:   :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: "Spock"
I don't think I can take anymore discussion of the shoes, where have been on that for sixty pages. :shock:


A monkey after my own heart.......

How 'bout these shoes?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M88saV46Nks

Don't blame me.  I got it from my kid.  It's important to know what they're doing!  

Shoes!  Let's get 'em!

Good morning.   Still trying to catch up.......I guess my sole is distracted..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


It is quite funny actually.. If it wasn't so sad.  Ya see, Joran is telling the truth that he lies all the time so his lies really don't count because he admits he lies.   :roll:   :twisted:


Yep, only in that strange world could lying be a defense for lying.  This kid is worse than a liar.  He is a jerk and he makes it sound like he has screwed over anyone and everyone that has come in contact with him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


I feel bad for someone with problems... but his parents neglected those problems and allowed what happened to happen.

We all have problems....seeing a psychologist isn't the stigma it once was.

Not everyone who sees a psychologist is a mental case. But is more commonly someone that doesn't have the answers to the problems they face. Anything can bring on psychological problems.. death of a loved one, a divorce, loss of a job, all kinds of stuff... even the loss of a pet.

In a way it is a sign of strength to get help and deal with your problems instead of shucking them on others and allowing all kinds of bad things to happen because someone is not able to deal with perception that others may view them poorly.

In Joran's case, he just decides he does not want to be bothered. He could care less what others think about him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


It is quite funny actually.. If it wasn't so sad.  Ya see, Joran is telling the truth that he lies all the time so his lies really don't count because he admits he lies.   :roll:   :twisted:


I agree with both of you.This book is a slap in the face to those who have been defending Joran,but they keep on defending him. :smt102


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:39:47 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


I feel bad for someone with problems... but his parents neglected those problems and allowed what happened to happen.

We all have problems....seeing a psychologist isn't the stigma it once was.

Not everyone who sees a psychologist is a mental case. But is more commonly someone that doesn't have the answers to the problems they face. Anything can bring on psychological problems.. death of a loved one, a divorce, loss of a job, all kinds of stuff... even the loss of a pet.

In a way it is a sign of strength to get help and deal with your problems instead of shucking them on others and allowing all kinds of bad things to happen because someone is not able to deal with perception that others may view them poorly.

In Joran's case, he just decides he does not want to be bothered. He could care less what others think about him.


That's because he thinks he is the center of the universe!

His parents sure went all out to enable the kid and make excuses for his bad behavior.  I wonder how his brothers are getting along with others in school, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Mere on May 08, 2007, 09:39:58 AM
Morning monkeys.....I know why Joran was sent to the "apartment" when he was 14/15....he kept the "big house" in constant turmoil....so...some part of the day the family pretended as though he did not exist...out of sight, out of mind...the kids were safe, the money was safe, no one had to deal with any of his issues....JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:40:18 AM
Hey it looks like Mr. Ramirez gave a gave a statement on 6-2-2005.

Anyone have any idea what he said?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Mere on May 08, 2007, 09:43:53 AM
Easy:  "That's because he thinks he is the center of the universe!

His parents sure went all out to enable the kid and make excuses for his bad behavior"....


Your are absolutely correct.....and he did not want to tell his story to
the ALE....he wanted to tell it to the WORLD.....!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


It is quite funny actually.. If it wasn't so sad.  Ya see, Joran is telling the truth that he lies all the time so his lies really don't count because he admits he lies.   :roll:   :twisted:


I agree with both of you.This book is a slap in the face to those who have been defending Joran,but they keep on defending him. :smt102


I wonder if he will have any chapters dealing with crazy American women that have come to visit and given their support?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Easy:  "That's because he thinks he is the center of the universe!

His parents sure went all out to enable the kid and make excuses for his bad behavior"....


Your are absolutely correct.....and he did not want to tell his story to
the ALE....he wanted to tell it to the WORLD.....!


He is proud of his accomplishments and enjoys the notoriety.  He will need to feed that inner demon again one of these days.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:49:15 AM
Book chapters - I've highlighted the chapters already summarized by Ramm:


Inhoud
Contents

Woord vooraf 9
Forword 9

Inleiding 12
Introduction 12

1 Island boy 15
2 Een Amerikaanse school op Aruba 26 An American School on Aruba

3 Uitgaan in Carlos 'n Charlie's 35 Going out to Carlos and Charlie's

4 De pimps 45 The Pimps

5 Vriendinnen 50 Girlfriends

6 Gokken 58 Gambling


7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies

10 Gearresteerd 137 Arrested

11 Doorbraak door beste vriend Freddy 152 Break ( in the case) because of best friend Freddy

12 Niet Deepak, maar Satish haalde Joran op 163 Not Deepak, but Satish picked up Joran

13 Jeugdafdeling van de KIA 174 Youth Department of KIA

14 Geslagen door de politie 194 Hit by the police

15 Rechercheurs uit Nederland 217 Detectives from Holland

16 Halsoverkop naar Nederland 239 In a hurry to Holland

17 Twee nieuwe verdachten 243 Two new suspects

18 In de val gelokt 257 Lured into a trap

19 Het ABC-interview 275 The ABC - Interview

20 Topadvocaat Joe Tacopina 287 Top Lawyer Joe Tacopina

21 De hetze van de Amerikaanse pers 294 The smear campaign of the American Press

22 De inbraak en Peter R. de Vries 310 The burglary and Peter R. de Vries

23 Theorieën 325 Theories


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 09:52:09 AM
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
Some of the ying yangs at other sites are squawking about copyright infringement now that they don’t like the contents of the book. lol

What is the name of that school Joran attends and do we know if it lets out for summer?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:55:58 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:58:20 AM
Also looks like Guido gave statements on 6-3-2005, 6-7-2005, and 6-8-2005.

It doesn't look like he left Aruba in the blink of an eye. He did give a statement in Holland on 6-23-2005. So he was in Holland by then.

Both Gottenbos boys questioned on 6-16-2005.

Sander again on 6-17-2005.

Koen again on 6-20-2005.

Mr. Luis Ramirez again on 6-28-2005. (step father).

Lorenzo on 6-28-2005.

Raphael Solongier (car search statement) on 6-30-2005. Possible relation to Rufo Solongier and Steve Croes.

Soccorro Bermundez Solongier 7-9-2005(Witness statement), possible relation to Rufo Solongier and Steve Croes.

Mark Trappenburg and a Mark Tappenburg possible typo here and a possible relation to Reuben Trappenburg.
Both 7-9-2005 witness statement and security supervisor at the Marriott.

Soccorro Solangier (witness statement) again on 7-13-2005. Possible typo.

Sorry if these have been discussed, some of this is new to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


Hey I post there sometimes.I'm not FOS :lol:  :lol:  :lol: But agree 99% of them are.

I hope Ramm knows if it's ok or not.I'm assuming he does.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: the big hammer on May 08, 2007, 09:59:33 AM
Kidnapped

tidycat writes: "Lala's Mom, 5/7/07, this am, said something to the effect that she remembered early in the cases Beth said she knew Natalee had been kidnapped. I just wanted to throw in that at one time I had a copy of the photo of the very first poster Beth put up which said Natalee had been kidnapped. The poster was soon changed to say she was "missing."

Yes.  The very first set of posters Beth put up on Aruba had "KIDNAPPED" as headline.  She was told, by polis (I believe) to take them down.

They were replaced by a "Call Me, Hootie" poster, and then later by "Missing" posters.

"Beth said she **knew** Natalee had been kidnapped."  Now how do we think she "knew" that.  Was this a mother's premonition or intuition at work? Was it a "feeling"?  Was she ignoring the building signs that Natalee was likely dead?  All these things need to placed in their context during the times when they were unfolding and viewed and assessed though a prism which holds that which was known then, by her.  And places aside pertinent facts which emerged later, but could not have been known then.

So, how did Beth **know** Natalee was kidnapped?

Yesterday, Kermit helpfully delivered a long and detailed post listing comments from various sources, as well as news reports regarding "phone calls" made during the early hours of the case.  This post is worth a read.

Recognizing the phone call issue is a source of much confusion and unhelpful debate here, let's say that there are some who believe there is  more to this than others.  I am a subscriber to that pov for now, and have been for quite a while.

During the meeting the HT family had, and opened the floor to questions re phone calls, both San and msmarples have accurately relayed what was said which seems to be at odds with other phone call interpretations.  But I don't believe any of the early statements re phone calls and Mica the Monkey have been "retracted" -- I think instead they have simply receded to the background as this long story drags on.  And it could very well be that the issue of "Kidnapped and Phone Call" has been purposefully downplayed during the last year or so --

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 10:00:07 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


At FOB they are going after Beth and the reward money again.  Funny ain't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


It is funny..anything to take the focus off the delicious sporter. :D

At FOB they are going after Beth and the reward money again.  Funny ain't it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
Kidnapped

tidycat writes: "Lala's Mom, 5/7/07, this am, said something to the effect that she remembered early in the cases Beth said she knew Natalee had been kidnapped. I just wanted to throw in that at one time I had a copy of the photo of the very first poster Beth put up which said Natalee had been kidnapped. The poster was soon changed to say she was "missing."

Yes.  The very first set of posters Beth put up on Aruba had "KIDNAPPED" as headline.  She was told, by polis (I believe) to take them down.

They were replaced by a "Call Me, Hootie" poster, and then later by "Missing" posters.

"Beth said she **knew** Natalee had been kidnapped."  Now how do we think she "knew" that.  Was this a mother's premonition or intuition at work? Was it a "feeling"?  Was she ignoring the building signs that Natalee was likely dead?  All these things need to placed in their context during the times when they were unfolding and viewed and assessed though a prism which holds that which was known then, by her.  And places aside pertinent facts which emerged later, but could not have been known then.

So, how did Beth **know** Natalee was kidnapped?

Yesterday, Kermit helpfully delivered a long and detailed post listing comments from various sources, as well as news reports regarding "phone calls" made during the early hours of the case.  This post is worth a read.

Recognizing the phone call issue is a source of much confusion and unhelpful debate here, let's say that there are some who believe there is  more to this than others.  I am a subscriber to that pov for now, and have been for quite a while.

During the meeting the HT family had, and opened the floor to questions re phone calls, both San and msmarples have accurately relayed what was said which seems to be at odds with other phone call interpretations.  But I don't believe any of the early statements re phone calls and Mica the Monkey have been "retracted" -- I think instead they have simply receded to the background as this long story drags on. And it could very well be that the issue of "Kidnapped and Phone Call" has been purposefully downplayed during the last year or so --

.


Hammer - I agree


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 10:03:57 AM
I don't know how that happened :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 10:08:21 AM
I also agree Hammer. They sounds of the monkey Mica appear to have made Beth's conclusion possible. As we all know, she is trained to recognize specific sounds and frequencies.

Something, IMO, happened at that house and only Paulus appears to have been home when it happened if the gardener is to be believed and I do believe the gardener.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


indeed!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


What really gets me is those posters know Julia was the inspiration for those early posters but keep blaming Beth.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 10:13:02 AM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


What really gets me is those posters know Julia was the inspiration for those early posters but keep blaming Beth.


Yes they do know that, but it doesn't suit their agenda so they turn a blind eye to that news.  What's her name never sets them straight either.  She just doesn't comment and moves on to some new slander.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


If any calls were made to that number, would we even know?  If the call came in late, would she even remember taking the call?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


If any calls were made to that number, would we even know?  If the call came in late, would she even remember taking the call?


No and No


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


If any calls were made to that number, would we even know?  If the call came in late, would she even remember taking the call?


Easy-
Well, the question is not would 'we know', but would anyone in authority know? She could have gotten the tips and discarded them.

Funny, I don't see a statement for her anywhere... does anyone else?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


If any calls were made to that number, would we even know?  If the call came in late, would she even remember taking the call?


Easy-
Well, the question is not would 'we know', but would anyone in authority know? She could have gotten the tips and discarded them.

Funny, I don't see a statement for her anywhere... does anyone else?


I think I saw one, but that was a big read and I could be mistaken.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.


If any calls were made to that number, would we even know?  If the call came in late, would she even remember taking the call?


Easy-
Well, the question is not would 'we know', but would anyone in authority know? She could have gotten the tips and discarded them.

Funny, I don't see a statement for her anywhere... does anyone else?


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RenfroStatement.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:26:46 AM
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?

EASY - posted some information a couple pages back with VDS family names.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?

EASY - posted some information a couple pages back with VDS family names.


Yes. I saw that.  After reading it, I may have skimmed too quickly, I was  under the impression that everyone had concluded that he didn't have any brothers or at the least not one named Marco.  I guess I was mistaken.  I have my reasons for asking. Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?

EASY - posted some information a couple pages back with VDS family names.


Yes. I saw that.  After reading it, I may have skimmed too quickly, I was  under the impression that everyone had concluded that he didn't have any brothers or at the least not one named Marco.  I guess I was mistaken.  I have my reasons for asking. Thanks.

Sounds like he doesn't have a brother named Marco but who really knows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
Morning Monkeys

Here is the original Kidanpped poster

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/yapperz1/NataleeHollowaykidnappedposter.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on May 08, 2007, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.



Notice they're squawking about this right before Ramm gets to the chapter on Natalee. This is where Joran's going to chewed up on all his lies. As far as I can tell he is only doing a review of each chapter, hardly a copyright infringement.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 10:41:57 AM
Think I need more coffee.. should be Kidnapped   :shock:  

GEL, I don't think there is copyright infringement involved. Ramm purchased the book & is not translating it word for word. The goon child supporters just need something else to gripe about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 10:42:28 AM
I believe that Marco is his brother, but Ko is not. Pronounced KOE.

Marco is the person in the VVD party and Ko is the professor of computer science at Tilburg.

Kermit and some others found that info and I believe most of it is correct, but who knows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Notice they're squawking about this right before Ramm gets to the chapter on Natalee. This is where Joran's going to chewed up on all his lies. As far as I can tell he is only doing a review of each chapter, hardly a copyright infringement.


From what I've read, it sounds more like a book report with some quotes in it. It certainly doesn't seem like a word-for-word translation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:44:17 AM
It is interesting to read Deepak's June 9 and June 10 statements at the same time.  The tone of his story changes repeatedly in each.  On June 9, Deepak was sticking to hie HI story like glue.  He talks about Steve being a witness and thinks that lie wi going to work and things will be okay.  Then by the next day, he singing a different tune.  As Shango would say, "his cards have already been dealt and he didn't receive a good hand."  

These statements seem to have so much left out of them.  Notice by June 10 it was then 13:45 hours.  Joran has already been questioned and things are starting to fall apart by now.   They told Deepak that Joran was trying to place the blame on him.  Suddenly Deeapk is suffering from that common disease in Aruba...can't rememberitis.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on May 08, 2007, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.



Notice they're squawking about this right before Ramm gets to the chapter on Natalee. This is where Joran's going to chewed up on all his lies. As far as I can tell he is only doing a review of each chapter, hardly a copyright infringement.


If what he is doing is copyright infringement, then every book reviewer in the world is guilty of that.  

The only reason they are bitchin is because of the unmistakable crap the book spews and it only makes Joran look more guilty.IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I believe that Marco is his brother, but Ko is not. Pronounced KOE.

Marco is the person in the VVD party and Ko is the professor of computer science at Tilburg.

Kermit and some others found that info and I believe most of it is correct, but who knows.


Thanks.  I just wanted to make sure we didn't stray away from that information.  I knew the answer to the question before I asked. Wonder how often ALE could day that?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?

EASY - posted some information a couple pages back with VDS family names.


Yes. I saw that.  After reading it, I may have skimmed too quickly, I was  under the impression that everyone had concluded that he didn't have any brothers or at the least not one named Marco.  I guess I was mistaken.  I have my reasons for asking. Thanks.

Sounds like he doesn't have a brother named Marco but who really knows?


Jossy said he did.  I go with Jossy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Ever notice how some people on some message boards just can’t deal with the reality of this case and immediately try to shift attention away from their favorite son?  It is such a repetitive process that it has become laughable.  None of them can read Joran’s words and admit that the kid is one big time loser with some serious psychological problems.  They don’t even bother to try and defend his words.  They just start to take swings at the victim’s family.  It’s interesting…….


I feel bad for someone with problems... but his parents neglected those problems and allowed what happened to happen.

We all have problems....seeing a psychologist isn't the stigma it once was.

Not everyone who sees a psychologist is a mental case. But is more commonly someone that doesn't have the answers to the problems they face. Anything can bring on psychological problems.. death of a loved one, a divorce, loss of a job, all kinds of stuff... even the loss of a pet.

In a way it is a sign of strength to get help and deal with your problems instead of shucking them on others and allowing all kinds of bad things to happen because someone is not able to deal with perception that others may view them poorly.

In Joran's case, he just decides he does not want to be bothered. He could care less what others think about him.


That's because he thinks he is the center of the universe!

His parents sure went all out to enable the kid and make excuses for his bad behavior.  I wonder how his brothers are getting along with others in school, etc.


Joran = Passive aggressive behavior, similar to the Virginia Tech shooter.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Mere on May 08, 2007, 10:51:09 AM
Do we know where the various suspects and witnesses are...?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 10:52:15 AM
From FOB
Dana Pretzer/Jossy Mansur Dec. 14/2006
<snip>

Dana:

One of the comments that came from your last interview with me Jossy, was your discussion regarding Paulus van der Sloot having a brother in the government in the Netherlands and I again talked to you about this, I've been swamped with those that have come to me and said "that's not true". Can we go over that part of it again, just to clarify please?

Jossy:

We have been informed from Holland, from our sources in Holland and if our sources are wrong we will apologize, we have no problems with that but our sources in Holland tell us he has a brother called Marco who's a member of the VVD Party and the party is in government and I think he's in some kind of committee for economic affairs but his party has always helped the government with defense and police (inaudible) that's as far as I can tell you about this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Rob
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.[/quote]

**********************************
Rob...most likely a pre-paid cell number or SIM. At the time it was probably the most expedient thing to do for instant communications while on Aruba.

The Carribean, Central America and South America is 85% pre-paid as opposed to 85% post paid like it is here in the States. The bar for obtaining credit in those countries is much higher there than it is here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"


If what he is doing is copyright infringement, then every book reviewer in the world is guilty of that.  

The only reason they are bitchin is because of the unmistakable crap the book spews and it only makes Joran look more guilty.IMO


I agree, Kimmy.  Anything that makes Joran look bad is actionable in a court of law.  That's what they've been threatening all along and then Joe Tacopina was hired to make it official and say it on television.  I remember him telling Greta that Jossy was senile and shouldn't be allowed to speak on Fox.  The way it was worded sounded to me like a threat of a lawsuit against Fox if they put Jossy on air.  

If posters on a message board discuss a book in detail, like an online book club, I doubt they could be sued for copyright infringment.  I don't see how this is any different.  It's not even printed in English.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: Atlmetroguy
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


by the way, I found four different numbers registered to her, and the one on the poster appears to have been set up for that poster. It was not registered anywhere.[/quote]

**********************************
Rob...most likely a pre-paid cell number or SIM. At the time it was probably the most expedient thing to do for instant communications while on Aruba.

The Carribean, Central America and South America is 85% pre-paid as opposed to 85% post paid like it is here in the States. The bar for obtaining credit in those countries is much higher there than it is here.


Very possible Metro-
The other possibility I considered was the phone was registered / bought right around 6-2-2005 and obviously after all info for the phone books was in. It could have missed a cut off date for a book or internet listing. It happens all the time, as I'm sure you are aware.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sharon on May 08, 2007, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: "Dayhiker"


Notice they're squawking about this right before Ramm gets to the chapter on Natalee. This is where Joran's going to chewed up on all his lies. As far as I can tell he is only doing a review of each chapter, hardly a copyright infringement.


And I also notice that I didn't read about any of this squawking when the infectiously delightful and delicious ( :roll: ) HannieC provided her interpretations/translations.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:02:50 AM
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Okay, this is bugging me.  Joran dictates a “book” completely of his own volition to someone and I assume he maintains complete editorial control until publication.  Yet, he can not keep his story straight from paragraph to paragraph, much less between chapters.  Plus, what has been written portrays a very manipulative, egotistical sociopath hell bent on telling of his nefarious exploits.

I rambled, but my question is how did ALE manage to spend all that time with him and not get answers?  All they had to do is ask him and he would have told them what a great accomplishment it was for him to rape and kill an American tourist.


And what does it say about the ghost-writer who actually wrote it?   Does she have a whopping case of ADD or what?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sharon on May 08, 2007, 11:05:06 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

crack baby  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 11:08:46 AM
Last I read, we were on chapter 6.  Is there more yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 11:09:59 AM
Thanks  Yapperz.  I knew someone would have it.  I am the one that asked that question to Dana about who would be in a position to exert influence on this case.  Just thought we needed to lay it to rest so we can continue onward.  


Regarding the translation...I think Ramm would be able to translate quite well since he speaks the language.  Really, Medley!  Do you think the English version would be any better for Joran?  It's the lies that are making things uncomfortable for the darkside.  Hard to reconcile, isn't it???  This guy is a sociopathic  person with psychopathic tendencies.  He knows what happened to Natalee and so does his two sidekicks and his father.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Last I read, we were on chapter 6.  Is there more yet?

Nope, nothing yet today


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
The most interesting thing to me about the early posters was Julia Renfro’s involvement and her cell numbers were actually used on the posters.  Man was that a mistake given what we know now.


Easy ... I agree.  Beth Twitty was being deceived from the moment she arrived on that Island ... the coverup had already begun.

Then there was the wording of the next poster.  The bashing Beth received from the "dark side" on various internet forums was relentless.


Birmingham Meeting
October 28, 2006


Questions and Answers:

20. The "Call me Hootie" poster... what is the explanation of that?

BETH:  This poster is the first that was distributed in Aruba. The Kidnapped posters that were made up to be put up were not allowed to be used. The Call me Hootie poster idea came from Julia Renfro.

Credit: Debbie (BFN)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:13:25 AM
I hope Ramm has the fortitude to continue with his translations and ignores MR's temper tantrum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hope Ramm has the fortitude to continue with his translations and ignores MR's temper tantrum.

I'm sure Ramm could care less what Medleyrelay says.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


Is the book flying off the shelves in Arnhem and Amsterdam?  Is Rotterdam begging the publisher for more copies yet?  Will Joran be on one of those CNBC book store specials?  (saw Clint van Zandt on there once)  Will Joran be at my local Borders or Barnes and Noble signing his books soon?   :roll:   :roll:  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


Is the book flying off the shelves in Arnhem and Amsterdam?  Is Rotterdam begging the publisher for more copies yet?  Will Joran be on one of those CNBC book store specials?  (saw Clint van Zandt on there once)  Will Joran be at my local Borders or Barnes and Noble signing his books soon?   :roll:   :roll:  :roll:


From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Bendex said the other day that there isn't that much interest in the case in Holland. Why do you think anyone would buy his book?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Bendex said the other day that there isn't that much interest in the case in Holland. Why do you think anyone would buy his book?

Maybe they figure it will become a collectors item once Joran is put in jail for murder. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Bendex said the other day that there isn't that much interest in the case in Holland. Why do you think anyone would buy his book?

Maybe they figure it will become a collectors item once Joran is put in jail for murder. :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Yeah, and maybe they can have him autograph it while he's still riding his bicycle around Holland.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:31:44 AM
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 11:34:11 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?

********************
Hey BT...story of my life...wurking and lurking...lol....Actually I have not checked mail yet...will do that now...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 08, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Bendex said the other day that there isn't that much interest in the case in Holland. Why do you think anyone would buy his book?

Maybe they figure it will become a collectors item once Joran is put in jail for murder. :wink:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Yeah, and maybe they can have him autograph it while he's still riding his bicycle around Holland.


I Wonder What Would Happen .............

If You Accidentally ..........

Ran Joran Over ..........

With A Truck .........

While Riding His Bicycle ..........

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?

********************
Hey BT...story of my life...wurking and lurking...lol....Actually I have not checked mail yet...will do that now...


It's nothing urgent. Just funny pics of hubby and me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"

I Wonder What Would Happen .............

If You Accidentally ..........

Ran Joran Over ..........

With A Truck .........

While Riding His Bicycle ..........

 8)


Well, I guess you wouldn't get his autograph.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: WidgetTheMidget on May 08, 2007, 11:37:46 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"

I Wonder What Would Happen .............

If You Accidentally ..........

Ran Joran Over ..........

With A Truck .........

While Riding His Bicycle ..........

 8)


Well, I guess you wouldn't get his autograph.  :lol:


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 11:37:53 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?

********************
Hey BT...story of my life...wurking and lurking...lol....Actually I have not checked mail yet...will do that now...


It's nothing urgent. Just funny pics of hubby and me.

********************
Just saw them...great photos!! You all looked like you were having fun!! It's been so long since I had fun I forgot what it was like...lol...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:39:50 AM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?

********************
Hey BT...story of my life...wurking and lurking...lol....Actually I have not checked mail yet...will do that now...


It's nothing urgent. Just funny pics of hubby and me.

********************
Just saw them...great photos!! You all looked like you were having fun!! It's been so long since I had fun I forgot what it was like...lol...


Awww....poor Metro. I'll bet you're richer than we are, though, and that counts for something.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:42:39 AM
Will someone email me at my yahoo email address please?

I've been trying to email myself something from work this morning and it isn't going through. I just want to see if mail from someone else will make it through.

TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?

********************
Hey BT...story of my life...wurking and lurking...lol....Actually I have not checked mail yet...will do that now...


It's nothing urgent. Just funny pics of hubby and me.

********************
Just saw them...great photos!! You all looked like you were having fun!! It's been so long since I had fun I forgot what it was like...lol...


Awww....poor Metro. I'll bet you're richer than we are, though, and that counts for something.  :lol:

*******************
Naaa...you know what they say..the more you make the more you spend plus Uncle Sam is been mugging me on a annual basis forever!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:44:57 AM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"

Naaa...you know what they say..the more you make the more you spend plus Uncle Sam is been mugging me on a annual basis forever!!


I'm going to start a petition to demand that we be able to count pets as tax deductions. I'm pretty sure I spend more on my dogs than a lot of people do on their kids.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


Bendex said the other day that there isn't that much interest in the case in Holland. Why do you think anyone would buy his book?


People will buy the book for the same reason they gawk at the site of an accident!  People are nosy.  And enjoy reading about things they would never be involved in themselves.  Some people are just sick pups.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?


Did you have something to share with the whole class?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?


Did you have something to share with the whole class?



LOL. I sent them to you, but you have too many email addresses.

It's just a couple of pics of hubby and me at a 50s night we attended a couple of weeks ago.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 11:57:21 AM
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"

I Wonder What Would Happen .............

If You Accidentally ..........

Ran Joran Over ..........

With A Truck .........

While Riding His Bicycle ..........

 8)


Well, I guess you wouldn't get his autograph.  :lol:


 :lol:

I rather have a tire mark on his head.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: "San"
I rather have a tire mark on his head.


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 11:58:53 AM
Time for a little "heaven on a bun"....lol...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


Is the book flying off the shelves in Arnhem and Amsterdam?  Is Rotterdam begging the publisher for more copies yet?  Will Joran be on one of those CNBC book store specials?  (saw Clint van Zandt on there once)  Will Joran be at my local Borders or Barnes and Noble signing his books soon?   :roll:   :roll:  :roll:


From what has been posted, Joran's book is a top seller.  Looks like it's in the top 60, last I looked number 39.


I suppose it shouldn't surprise me given what boosts the ratings of the MSM.  Even at a quick glance, it seems to be the self-serving ramblings of a self-centered teenager.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Will someone email me at my yahoo email address please?

I've been trying to email myself something from work this morning and it isn't going through. I just want to see if mail from someone else will make it through.

TY


What is your addy? Or did someone else beat me to it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Metro

I saw you lurking. Did you get the amusing pics I emailed to you last night?


Did you have something to share with the whole class?


 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
I rather have a tire mark on his head.


 :lol:  :lol:


Big high five to my friend, San!    

You mean you wouldn't back up and take another run at it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Will someone email me at my yahoo email address please?

I've been trying to email myself something from work this morning and it isn't going through. I just want to see if mail from someone else will make it through.

TY


What is your addy? Or did someone else beat me to it?


It's okay, thanks. I already got an email that went through, so the problem must be my work mail.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: blah on May 08, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Morning monkeys.  Just trying to get my bearings on what everyone is discussing today.  If I may. what was the final consensous on Paulus'  family tree from last night?  Did you guys decide about his brothers?



It has no branches


 :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 12:20:34 PM
Well, guys, it's time for a meeting in lovely downtown Dalton, GA.

Catch you monkeys later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, guys, it's time for a meeting in lovely downtown Dalton, GA.

Catch you monkeys later.


Guess I asked too soon.  Cute pics.

Returned your email too.....
Have a lovely lunch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Well, guys, it's time for a meeting in lovely downtown Dalton, GA.

Catch you monkeys later.


Guess I asked too soon.  Cute pics.

Returned your email too.....
Have a lovely lunch.


Thanks, Peaches

Have a great afternoon.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 12:38:12 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/th8.gif)

Good Morning, Monkeys,

So have we been able to determine anything this morning (other than that BT's email works) like if the Dutch are still on the island?  If they have completed physical searches, I could see the dog team returning but certainly not all of the team.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 08, 2007, 12:43:25 PM
Hey Anna....i was just reading back....not sure, sorry.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JPK2-MONKEY-NO.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 12:52:35 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends

Hi, how are you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends


TxAmy,
Good to see you!  Where is your cute little avatar?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 01:01:15 PM
y FABIOLA SANCHEZ Associated Press Writer
CARACAS, Venezuela May 7, 2007 (AP)

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3149330
Venezuela on Monday said it will not allow U.S. agents to carry out counter-drug operations in the country, accusing the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration of being a "new cartel" that aids traffickers.

Justice Minister Pedro Carreno said the South American nation suspended cooperation with the agency in 2005 after determining that "they were moving a large amount of drugs." President Hugo Chavez at the time also accused the DEA of spying.

"The United States with its DEA monopolizes the shipping of drugs like a cartel," Carreno told reporters. "We determined that we were evidently in the presence of a new cartel." He did not elaborate.

Spokesman Brian Penn said the U.S. Embassy categorically denies the accusation and called the DEA "the leading agency combatting drug trafficking around the world."

"We'd like to cooperate with Venezuela to not only increase the number of seizures in Venezuela but also to help them to prosecute narcotraffickers who are operating in Venezuelan territory. We think sharing of information can aid Venezuela in this," Penn said.

Washington has repeatedly accused Venezuela of not cooperating in counter-drug efforts and says cocaine shipments are increasingly passing through the country from neighboring Colombia.

U.S. officials say about 10 DEA agents have remained in Venezuela working with law enforcement contacts even after the Chavez government suspended formal cooperation.

Carreno was responding to comments by John Walters, the U.S. director of National Drug Control Policy, who told the Colombian magazine Semana in an interview published last week: "Chavez has refused to cooperate. It's a shame. Venezuela is gaining in importance for the drug traffickers."

Carreno said Venezuela is making important strides in fighting drug trafficking.

"The Venezuelan government doesn't accept blackmail," Carreno said. Security agencies are willing to follow up on any information provided to track down traffickers, he added, but "what we will not permit them to do is carry out operations in our territory."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sirensong on May 08, 2007, 01:06:07 PM
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: "sirensong"
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!


I feel the same way!  The next chapter on Natalee ought to be a doozie!  No wonder the Dutch team was laughing when they read it!  I am, too. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Back to working and lurking.  Today I am babysitting and things are especially wild!!   :shock: I have forgotten about little kids many things.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/pc_smileys.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends

Hi, how are you?



Im great!!! How is everyone?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends


TxAmy,
Good to see you!  Where is your cute little avatar?

.


Good to be back...I don't know. I tried to get it out of my photobucket and it's not letting me upload   :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: "sirensong"
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!



I agree...but REALLY??? How big of a hole does he really have to dig???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sirensong on May 08, 2007, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "sirensong"
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!



I agree...but REALLY??? How big of a hole does he really have to dig???


Isn't that the truth!  That's why I just keep praying the Dutch have SOMETHING!!  He could be prosecuted without evidence, on his stories alone.  If it were here, I am sure he would be found guilty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: "sirensong"
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!


sirenson ...I had the same thought process in regards to Paulus Van der Sloot earlier this year when the Superior Court denied this guy further compensation for wrongful detainment because .... according to wiretaps and a declaration ... Paulus detainmentment was justified.

Why has the ruling which declared Paulus no longer a suspect not been reversed .... the compensation that he was awarded for wrongful detainment not been repayed to the taxpayers of Aruba and ... his right to practice as an attorney in Aruba not been revoked.

I somehow suspect that no matter what evidence is revealed which  implicates Joran and Paulus pertaining to the events that encompass that fateful morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... they are not going to be held accountable.  I pray I am wrong.

Janet

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/04/paulus-van-der-sloots-detainment.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


she is so simple

MY GOODNESS what a FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Sue on May 08, 2007, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


she is so simple

MY GOODNESS what a FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL  8)



Wow m She can actually read... I am surprised


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


she is so simple

MY GOODNESS what a FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL  8)


Bless her heart!  She actually believes if people let the cat outta the bag (exposing the sporter for the lying POS he is) that the book will never be distributed in English.  What a hoot!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 01:50:32 PM
i think she is in BED with ANITA


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:







 :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: "sirensong"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "sirensong"
Good morning everyone!  Have you all read the chapter 5&6 summary at BFN of Joran's book?  He is definately a psyco, but I am so excited, he is digging himself a big hole that will lead to his arrest!



I agree...but REALLY??? How big of a hole does he really have to dig???


Isn't that the truth!  That's why I just keep praying the Dutch have SOMETHING!!  He could be prosecuted without evidence, on his stories alone.  If it were here, I am sure he would be found guilty.



I wish they did. I believe if they did, they would have came out with it. Look what these boys have done to the island.    :?

My boyfriend is begging me to go with him there and I adamently refuse


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Medleyrelay at RU:   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would prefer that we all patiently wait until it comes out in English and not compromise the opportunity to have that happen. Which I believe with too much on line posting of the book will perhaps do. So what you all are grasping at and translating and posting - can totally cause the English version never to happen. So thank yourselves if that does not happen. Little snippets fine but what some have done is post practically the whole damn book and that IMO is wrong.

I would rather read the book myself and get my own view point not what someone else thinks.

 :smt082


she is so simple

MY GOODNESS what a FOOOOOOOOOOOOOL  8)


Bless her heart!  She actually believes if people let the cat outta the bag (exposing the sporter for the lying POS he is) that the book will never be distributed in English.  What a hoot!



Oh Peaches...you have been missed...   :lol:

Ok, does she really believe that? :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 01:57:51 PM
I personally don't think I can buy the book. Personal opinion   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 01:58:22 PM
Need to run an errand, be back in a bit


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 01:59:05 PM
Tommorow Dompig and his Shield Group have there first Seminar in Aruba. Should be interesting to see how many actually show up besides the Venezuelan and Aruban Govt's.

(Govt Pkg $795.00) (Non Govt Pkg $895.00)
International Counter Terrorism symposium
The Israeli Experience
Aruba
May 9-10, 2007
http://shieldgroupworldwide.com

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/investigation.jpg)(Arubanboycott.blogspot.com)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: the big hammer on May 08, 2007, 02:38:44 PM
The Shield Group ?!?

WHAT? They have to be kidding!

Dompig, who made a complete imbecile of himself on international TV during the Holloway escapade, is actually running a "security and counter-terrorism" consultancy?  C'mon.

Some of you SM posters clearly knew of this new business by Dompig -- but it's news to me.  And I can't believe it.

Who does he think he'll get as clients?  Who would pay this clown a nickel for his "opinions and advice" on how to secure anything?

I continue be amazed by the hypocrisy, the sheer mendacity, the utter buffoonery of Aruban officials.

This is just amazing.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 02:40:32 PM
Has chapter 7 been REVIEWED yet?   :lol:

There has not been much talk about the book in Aruba.  I think it should be must reading for ALE, casino managers, bar owners, parents of young girls......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has chapter 7 been REVIEWED yet?   :lol:

There has not been much talk about the book in Aruba.  I think it should be must reading for ALE, casino managers, bar owners, parents of young girls......


Should be interesting his reception when his book debuts in Aruba. If he isn't in prison by then :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sharon on May 08, 2007, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: "the big hammer"
The Shield Group ?!?

WHAT? They have to be kidding!

Dompig, who made a complete imbecile of himself on international TV during the Holloway escapade, is actually running a "security and counter-terrorism" consultancy?  C'mon.

Some of you SM posters clearly knew of this new business by Dompig -- but it's news to me.  And I can't believe it.

Who does he think he'll get as clients?  Who would pay this clown a nickel for his "opinions and advice" on how to secure anything?

I continue be amazed by the hypocrisy, the sheer mendacity, the utter buffoonery of Aruban officials.

This is just amazing.

.


Very interesting question, big hammer.

I can't wait until we find out the answer. 8)

Could be interesting to see 'who' is helping Dompig along with his new venture...........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has chapter 7 been REVIEWED yet?   :lol:

There has not been much talk about the book in Aruba.  I think it should be must reading for ALE, casino managers, bar owners, parents of young girls......


Should be interesting his reception when his book debuts in Aruba. If he isn't in prison by then :wink:


Joran probably thinks he will be getting a ticker tape parade down main street.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 02:52:11 PM
Ok, since I have been gone for such a long time...I have some serious catching up to do.  :shock:

If Dompig seriously thinks he holds an ounce of respect, he is mistaken.  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has chapter 7 been REVIEWED yet?   :lol:

There has not been much talk about the book in Aruba.  I think it should be must reading for ALE, casino managers, bar owners, parents of young girls......


Should be interesting his reception when his book debuts in Aruba. If he isn't in prison by then :wink:


Joran probably thinks he will be getting a ticker tape parade down main street.


LMAO....a parade....I almost fell out of my chair


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Has chapter 7 been REVIEWED yet?   :lol:

There has not been much talk about the book in Aruba.  I think it should be must reading for ALE, casino managers, bar owners, parents of young girls......


Should be interesting his reception when his book debuts in Aruba. If he isn't in prison by then :wink:


Joran probably thinks he will be getting a ticker tape parade down main street.


LMAO....a parade....I almost fell out of my chair


The real funny thing is that he might!  :shock:

I hope some people are waking up to the reality about this kid, but who knows.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:07:46 PM
Article in todays Bon Dia..

team special of the netherlands will is at aruba at least 6 simian
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Picture1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:15:23 PM
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FingerPolice1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:15:40 PM
ooopsie did I make everything wide again? :( Klaas gonna be mad when she gets back  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on May 08, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: "*******"
ooopsie did I make everything wide again? :( Klaas gonna be mad when she gets back  :D


Maybe we can hurry up and change pages and she will never know?  Of course it seems Klaas knows everything!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:17:24 PM
Not sure what the heck that article says..At least 6 KLPD staying on Aruba to Investigate?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FingerPolice1.gif)

Joran might think they are on his side.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: msmarple on May 08, 2007, 03:19:35 PM
It's something about 6 weeks. Not sure if that's how long they've been there, or how much longer they're staying.

Afternoon monkeys. Slow afternoon, huh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sharon on May 08, 2007, 03:20:30 PM
Thanks for posting that *******.

If my Spanish is serving me correctly -- I think the headline says that the 'team' will be there at least 6 weeks.

But I can be wrong  :oops:


Rob Great 'branding' job for the logo  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: msmarple on May 08, 2007, 03:22:46 PM
big hammer - Yep, the security business was Dompig's second choice. He considered becoming a doctor, but someone apparently explained that that would involve med school. klaas has some photos of him in Rambo-emulating poses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 08, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
team special of the netherlands will is at aruba will less 6 week

(online Papiamento translator)

I tried to copy and paste the whole article but it would not work.
So I retyped the title.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 08, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
HMMM--so we aren't sure if the team is there for at least six weeks or less than six weeks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to all the missing people lately. But there are a ton....

This problem is getting worse since shows like CSI and Paulus Van Der Sloot's 'no corpse ~ no crime.'

Crimes that used to be discovered, are now missing bodies and making it hard as heck to find out what happened.

Everyone knows a crime happened, we're not all stupid, the criminals have come to the conclusion that a lacking body adds another layer of insulation...

The criminals are not always stupid either.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
big hammer - Yep, the security business was Dompig's second choice. He considered becoming a doctor, but someone apparently explained that that would involve med school. klaas has some photos of him in Rambo-emulating poses.


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/dompigtarget.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
big hammer - Yep, the security business was Dompig's second choice. He considered becoming a doctor, but someone apparently explained that that would involve med school. klaas has some photos of him in Rambo-emulating poses.


As a doctor MsMarple, Dddddompig can only kill one person at a time. As a security director, he can kill alot more due to his lack of due diligence.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:32:10 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FingerPolice1.gif)


I noticed he has some advertising dollars also..He is trying to cater to the Hotels and Businesses in the Newspaper. Sounds like his first customer was the MEP. We know Jossy claimed all his communications were tapped.(Shield Group offers Electronic surveillance equipment,Counter-surveillance,Telecommunication/ Information Security)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Werk-003.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 08, 2007, 03:33:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JPK2-MONKEY-NO.gif)


Oh Klaasssss.......this is good!! :wink:  Soon, I hope it will be known and Natalee's family and friends will have at least some peace with knowing what happened...but it will never be over. I know what it is like to be a 'victim' of a loss, and it never goes away. Answers help and can help w/ peace in ones heart. Thank you all for what you do and have done for so many, many months....Bless you all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:35:44 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SouthParkpolicebadge1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/gerolddompig1-1.jpg)
Gerold Dompig Bomb Squad Technician


How long do you think he would last on that job?

1. one call

2. there are no other answers


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FingerPolice1.gif)


I noticed he has some advertising dollars also..He is trying to cater to the Hotels and Businesses in the Newspaper. Sounds like his first customer was the MEP. We know Jossy claimed all his communications were tapped.(Shield Group offers Electronic surveillance equipment,Counter-surveillance,Telecommunication/ Information Security)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Werk-003.jpg)

What did GVC's fathers company offer?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: msmarple on May 08, 2007, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "msmarple"
big hammer - Yep, the security business was Dompig's second choice. He considered becoming a doctor, but someone apparently explained that that would involve med school. klaas has some photos of him in Rambo-emulating poses.


As a doctor MsMarple, Dddddompig can only kill one person at a time. As a security director, he can kill alot more due to his lack of due diligence.


Yes, and missing bodies simply aren't acceptable ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: "Kimmy53"
Quote from: "*******"
ooopsie did I make everything wide again? :( Klaas gonna be mad when she gets back  :D


Maybe we can hurry up and change pages and she will never know?  Of course it seems Klaas knows everything!


I do not think ANYTHING gets by Klaas.

I believe that is why the SM Forum is a place that truly upholds the  family's contention that a corrupt investigation is preventing justice from prevailing and that ... Paulus and Joran are being distanced from implication in the events that encompass that fateful morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

Thank you Klaas.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: "San"

What did GVC's fathers company offer?


rock painting and evidence destruction. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: San
Quote from: *******
Quote from: "Rob"
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

I noticed he has some advertising dollars also..He is trying to cater to the Hotels and Businesses in the Newspaper. Sounds like his first customer was the MEP. We know Jossy claimed all his communications were tapped.(Shield Group offers Electronic surveillance equipment,Counter-surveillance,Telecommunication/ Information Security)

What did GVC's fathers company offer?


Dompig's son is a PIMP and rapist.  Does this mean when he committs a crime he will erase any tapes, etc. that he is on.  All a bunch of crooks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 08, 2007, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to all the missing people lately. But there are a ton....

This problem is getting worse since shows like CSI and Paulus Van Der Sloot's 'no corpse ~ no crime.'

Crimes that used to be discovered, are now missing bodies and making it hard as heck to find out what happened.

Everyone knows a crime happened, we're not all stupid, the criminals have come to the conclusion that a lacking body adds another layer of insulation...

The criminals are not always stupid either.


 :cry: I do Rob...I have for many years been watching stories of this type in the news. Unfortunately, most do not have happy endings. Some do and that is great, but so many end sadly and some still are not solved. And I am talking all ages.......not just babies, teens, adults...even the lderly are at risk. This world is a  scary world.....stay close to the ones you love......hang on!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: San
Quote from: San
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
We should have our own Security Firm.

Heck, we're all the ones that solved the Natalee Holloway case and made so many others aware of the cover-up.

We should charge $995 per day. Arubans and Venezuelans buy your own lunch.

I noticed he has some advertising dollars also..He is trying to cater to the Hotels and Businesses in the Newspaper. Sounds like his first customer was the MEP. We know Jossy claimed all his communications were tapped.(Shield Group offers Electronic surveillance equipment,Counter-surveillance,Telecommunication/ Information Security)

What did GVC's fathers company offer?


Dompig's son is a PIMP and rapist.  Does this mean when he committs a crime he will erase any tapes, etc. that he is on.  All a bunch of crooks.


yes, but he aspires to be a model and a ballerina like his idol Giudo.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 03:44:08 PM
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:45:07 PM
Quote from: "Nut44x4"
Quote from: "Rob"
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to all the missing people lately. But there are a ton....

This problem is getting worse since shows like CSI and Paulus Van Der Sloot's 'no corpse ~ no crime.'

Crimes that used to be discovered, are now missing bodies and making it hard as heck to find out what happened.

Everyone knows a crime happened, we're not all stupid, the criminals have come to the conclusion that a lacking body adds another layer of insulation...

The criminals are not always stupid either.


 :cry: I do Rob...I have for many years been watching stories of this type in the news. Unfortunately, most do not have happy endings. Some do and that is great, but so many end sadly and some still are not solved. And I am talking all ages.......not just babies, teens, adults...even the lderly are at risk. This world is a  scary world.....stay close to the ones you love......hang on!!
Carnut- There are two elderly women now missing for two weeks...wither they drove of an overpass into a swamp, or it's a double homicide missing the bodies. Or two women that decided to join NOW and moved to the Keys.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 03:45:37 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/vcb_company_pro_clip_image002.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!
They were also scoping out Dover Deleware, and Philadelphia.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 08, 2007, 03:46:52 PM
I see CBB's evil twin's cousin is at it this time.  :roll:  Where are my pencils?  I knew you monkeys would not behave while Klaas was running somewhere. No wonder her feet so small.  She's worn them down over the years.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/vcb_company_pro_clip_image002.jpg)

Exactly Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 03:47:09 PM
Klaas- he he he lmao!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"

What did GVC's fathers company offer?


rock painting and evidence destruction. :D


Dompigs company is state of the art as they offer all phases of security..Besides Protection,Electronic Eavesdropping,Digital Audio and Video Recording. They probably also have programs to attack your enemy through the media,internet and the public. Military assault counter/terrorism/intelligence to confuse,spin and discredit your attacker while watching and listening to every they make.



Shield Group Inc. …
provider of hassle-free solutions for your security needs!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!
They were also scoping out Dover Deleware, and Philadelphia.




 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!


The politically correct policies which are allowing the democracies of the free world to be defeated from within need to be challenged or ... one day ... we are all going to wake up and find that the Islamic goal of "world domination" has been realized.

Janet
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270601,00.html

6 Foreign-Born Men Arrested in Alleged Fort Dix Murder Plot
Tuesday, May 08, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!
They were also scoping out Dover Deleware, and Philadelphia.
    One suspect reportedly spoke of using rocket-propelled grenades to kill at least 100 soldiers at a time, according to court documents.

    "If you want to do anything here, there is Fort Dix and I don't want to exaggerate, and I assure you that you can hit an American base very easily," suspect Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer said in one conversation secretly recorded by a government informant, according to the criminal complaint.

    "It doesn't matter to me whether I get locked up, arrested or get taken away," a suspect identified as Serdar Tatar said in another recorded conversation. "Or I die, it doesn't matter. I'm doing it in the name of Allah."  Ok last post on this
    (Let me say that they may or may not be linked to Bin Laden.)Ok last post on this


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 04:00:16 PM
Pimp Protection 101 Graduation photo:
 :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VCBGRADS.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Pimp Protection 101 Graduation photo:
 :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VCBGRADS.jpg)




 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:05:27 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!


The politically correct policies which are allowing the democracies of the free world to be defeated from within need to be challenged or ... one day ... we are all going to wake up and find that the Islamic goal of "world domination" has been realized.

Janet
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270601,00.html

6 Foreign-Born Men Arrested in Alleged Fort Dix Murder Plot
Tuesday, May 08, 2007
I guess the news conference was held in Philadelphia so it was shown here on my local channel, FBI and Home Security etc. ...I am glad they caught these guys! Arrested last night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 04:06:43 PM
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Pimp Protection 101 Graduation photo:
 :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/VCBGRADS.jpg)
LOL Klaas!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:08:34 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


  :evil:  :evil:
 Afternoon to you Metro.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


  :evil:  :evil:
 Afternoon to you Metro.

***************************
Hey Angie :)

I get on a bit of a rant about this stuff!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!
I'll bet that was chilling seeing all those memorials right there  near where it happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: Atlmetroguy
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


  :evil:  :evil:
 Afternoon to you Metro.

***************************
Hey Angie :)

I get on a bit of a rant about this stuff!![/quote

 I can understand.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 04:11:32 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


  :evil:  :evil:
 Afternoon to you Metro.

***************************
Hey Angie :)

I get on a bit of a rant about this stuff!!


I wanna rant too - and then I'll hush.  :lol:

Three of those guys who were arrested were illegal. The people who want our borders to be porous so that they can get cheap labor are also promoting the growth of terrorism.

Okay - sorry. I'm done now. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Atlmetroguy on May 08, 2007, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!
I'll bet that was chilling seeing all those memorials right there  near where it happened.

*********************
I'm not sure if chilling was the right experience for me. Probably like most of you all (except for Angie) we saw it on the tube. I was at work in my office in Raleigh N.C. when 9/11 happened and last week was the first time I had been back to N.J. since just before 9/11 and it was more of a heart wrenching reminder of the heroes that were lost and what these radicals really want to do to our way of life.

<rant off..I swear:) >


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: "Atlmetroguy"
O/T First and Last Post on this Topic:

Anybody who thinks that Islamic Radicals aren't hell bent for leather on killing us had better wake up and smell the coffee. This has been going on since 1983 and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

FWIW - Last week I in was in the offices of the NY/NJ Port Authority for business and every cube/office and the front lobby had memorials big and small regarding 9/11

You can better believe the Islamic Radicals are looking for a another 9/11!!!


I think they're planning something bigger than 9-11.  It's scary that they are using a Mickey Mouse look-a-like to teach children to hate and kill.  Then we hear extremists telling us the Latinos are going to keep coming until they take over US and Canada and send all the Europeans back to Europe.    :shock:  I think the US is getting of taste of what Isreal lives with 24/7, only we're bigger, we have a couple of oceans and have at least one neighbor that isn't "after" us.    ::::looks up:::: right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:17:56 PM
i went to shoe store today

some sneakers had SIZE 10 and SIZE 12 BOTH listed on the TAGS

when the clerk asked me if i needed any HELP....

i said......um well not really im just investigating a murder case


and he said, "oh i didnt know the standard uniform was a YANKEES hat and T-shirt for detectives"


ROFL

SMART A _ _ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x



  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i went to shoe store today

some sneakers had SIZE 10 and SIZE 12 BOTH listed on the TAGS

when the clerk asked me if i needed any HELP....

i said......um well not really im just investigating a murder case


and he said, "oh i didnt know the standard uniform was a YANKEES hat and T-shirt for detectives"


ROFL

SMART A _ _ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x



  8)
I can see it now ! :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:21:20 PM
i guess i could see his point

but no need to be sarcastic about

im NEVER SARCASTIC    8)  8)  8)  8)  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 04:23:24 PM
Article in todays Bon Dia about Shield Groups "Israeli Experience" May 9th and 10th..

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Picture5.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 04:24:25 PM
Damn..Robots quit killin the margins and makin the page wide..Klaas is gonna get mad  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:24:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JPK2-MONKEY-NO.gif)


I love it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:24:44 PM
i see the name DOMPIG and all i can think of is

BUTTHEAD  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 04:25:31 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!


The politically correct policies which are allowing the democracies of the free world to be defeated from within need to be challenged or ... one day ... we are all going to wake up and find that the Islamic goal of "world domination" has been realized.

Janet
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270601,00.html

6 Foreign-Born Men Arrested in Alleged Fort Dix Murder Plot
Tuesday, May 08, 2007
I guess the news conference was held in Philadelphia so it was shown here on my local channel, FBI and Home Security etc. ...I am glad they caught these guys! Arrested last night.


Thankfully, this plot was discover in time to prevent a tragedy but ... it only takes one to get by intelligence and ... another 9/11 or maybe worse.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:25:52 PM
Since we are sorta OT.. I wanted to suggest to folks if you do not know how to do the Heimleich Maneuver .. please learn to do so.
 I almost croaked at work today. Boss opened a bag of Blazing Hot BBQ chips. Anyhow he left. left the bag on the counter. I was at work with another gal.  I took a chip. and  OMG.. hells fire it was hot and I choked..not coughin. I am talking NO AIR period. She knew I was choking.. one customer was in the store. I am running in andout of the bathroom, tears rolling down my face.. face white as a sheet.. dizzy. I am pointing to the phone. and she looked at me and said HUH?  :roll:
 Meantime I am ready to fall over and the customer says to her.. do something. She just stood  there.. well I saved my own friggin life.. pushed my tummy up against the sink as hard as I could. I finally started coughing..  :oops:  Tooke me sometime to get my bearings.. and as sonn as I could FINALLY talk. I said Jennie.. when someone cannot breath wtf is the logical thing to do? She said call 911.. I said WTF do you think I was pointiing to the damn phone for you dumbass.  :evil:  :evil:  Well my color evenutally came back at least.  You know WTH she said to me? Thats what you get for taking one of Ricks potato chips. :shock:  :shock:
<talk about wanting to bitch slap someone>  Anyhow.. my rant is over now..  Learn how to help someone .. or call 911.. lol  I sure as heck didnt wanna go down in a tobacco outlet and croak from a bbq chip.  :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:27:00 PM
The girl robot was quite upset last night that you showed no interest.  Not even inviting her for coffee.  She said there aren't that many sweet, intelligent and charming robots around.  Poor thing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i went to shoe store today

some sneakers had SIZE 10 and SIZE 12 BOTH listed on the TAGS

when the clerk asked me if i needed any HELP....

i said......um well not really im just investigating a murder case


and he said, "oh i didnt know the standard uniform was a YANKEES hat and T-shirt for detectives"


ROFL

SMART A _ _ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x



  8)



 ROFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Since we are sorta OT.. I wanted to suggest to folks if you do not know how to do the Heimleich Maneuver .. please learn to do so.
 I almost croaked at work today. Boss opened a bag of Blazing Hot BBQ chips. Anyhow he left. left the bag on the counter. I was at work with another gal.  I took a chip. and  OMG.. hells fire it was hot and I choked..not coughin. I am talking NO AIR period. She knew I was choking.. one customer was in the store. I am running in andout of the bathroom, tears rolling down my face.. face white as a sheet.. dizzy. I am pointing to the phone. and she looked at me and said HUH?  :roll:
 Meantime I am ready to fall over and the customer says to her.. do something. She just stood  there.. well I saved my own friggin life.. pushed my tummy up against the sink as hard as I could. I finally started coughing..  :oops:  Tooke me sometime to get my bearings.. and as sonn as I could FINALLY talk. I said Jennie.. when someone cannot breath wtf is the logical thing to do? She said call 911.. I said WTF do you think I was pointiing to the damn phone for you dumbass.  :evil:  :evil:  Well my color evenutally came back at least.  You know WTH she said to me? Thats what you get for taking one of Ricks potato chips. :shock:  :shock:
<talk about wanting to bitch slap someone>  Anyhow.. my rant is over now..  Learn how to help someone .. or call 911.. lol  I sure as heck didnt wanna go down in a tobacco outlet and croak from a bbq chip.  :roll:


IIRC the question is CAN YOU SPEAK??????   If nothing comes out, you use Heimlich.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Since we are sorta OT.. I wanted to suggest to folks if you do not know how to do the Heimleich Maneuver .. please learn to do so.
 I almost croaked at work today. Boss opened a bag of Blazing Hot BBQ chips. Anyhow he left. left the bag on the counter. I was at work with another gal.  I took a chip. and  OMG.. hells fire it was hot and I choked..not coughin. I am talking NO AIR period. She knew I was choking.. one customer was in the store. I am running in andout of the bathroom, tears rolling down my face.. face white as a sheet.. dizzy. I am pointing to the phone. and she looked at me and said HUH?  :roll:
 Meantime I am ready to fall over and the customer says to her.. do something. She just stood  there.. well I saved my own friggin life.. pushed my tummy up against the sink as hard as I could. I finally started coughing..  :oops:  Tooke me sometime to get my bearings.. and as sonn as I could FINALLY talk. I said Jennie.. when someone cannot breath wtf is the logical thing to do? She said call 911.. I said WTF do you think I was pointiing to the damn phone for you dumbass.  :evil:  :evil:  Well my color evenutally came back at least.  You know WTH she said to me? Thats what you get for taking one of Ricks potato chips. :shock:  :shock:
<talk about wanting to bitch slap someone>  Anyhow.. my rant is over now..  Learn how to help someone .. or call 911.. lol  I sure as heck didnt wanna go down in a tobacco outlet and croak from a bbq chip.  :roll:


glad youre ok

i was fishing in stream in the middle of summer
i was 8 years old and i was choking on a devil dog  :shock:
which was dry dry dry and i couldnt breath my father was down the stream  a ways im sure in case i got hauled down stream he could catch me.... but anyway  i was waving my hands and he started waving back
cause i couldnt breath........HE STARTED WAVING back

luckily my robotic brain was young but still smart so i dipped my hand in the stream and filled my mouth with water and the DRY devil dog kind of dissolved.. i could breath FINALLY


terrifying to say the least

im glad you are OK  8)


RANT OVER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
The girl robot was quite upset last night that you showed no interest.  Not even inviting her for coffee.  She said there aren't that many sweet, intelligent and charming robots around.  Poor thing.


dont worry i will smooth things over

i will give her a METAL BACK RUB  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
Somebody please fix the margins!  I'm getting dizzy!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:32:54 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Damn..Robots quit killin the margins and makin the page wide..Klaas is gonna get mad  8)


i didnt do it


did i ???? :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:34:57 PM
******* did it!  SOMEBODY TELL LALA'S MOM!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:36:22 PM
im not a squeeeeeeler  8)

someone was squeeeling on me last night for bringing up the shoes again

i will have to go back and see who it was.........  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:36:27 PM
Thank you.  Thank you very much.   :(   The spinning has stopped.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
******* did it!  SOMEBODY TELL LALA'S MOM!


Oh..great thanks for givin me up..I was already working on framing robots.. :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
******* did it!  SOMEBODY TELL LALA'S MOM!


Oh..great thanks for givin me up..I was already working on framing robots.. :twisted:


ROFL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:37:48 PM
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: LilPuma on May 08, 2007, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: "robots"
im not a squeeeeeeler  8)

someone was squeeeling on me last night for bringing up the shoes again

i will have to go back and see who it was.........  8)


and again today.  Look at the bottom of the screen.  You CANNOT edit posts in this forum.  You CANNOT delete posts in this forum.  U R Busted


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
******* did it!  SOMEBODY TELL LALA'S MOM!


Oh..great thanks for givin me up..I was already working on framing robots.. :twisted:



 :lol:  :lol:  Oh heck.. blame me  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "robots"
im not a squeeeeeeler  8)

someone was squeeeling on me last night for bringing up the shoes again

i will have to go back and see who it was.........  8)


and again today.  Look at the bottom of the screen.  You CANNOT edit posts in this forum.  You CANNOT delete posts in this forum.  U R Busted


someone was squeeeeeeeeeling on me again ?????


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......................great ..just great

i tried taking the HIGH ROAD...but now i will have to call KLASS  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:40:31 PM
Angie, geesh! I wouldn't want that person around if I needed help! Glad you are OK. I hate when that happens, that happeened to me a few weeks ago, and like you said tears were rolling. I too ran to the bathroom, as I was in a restaurant and embaressed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on May 08, 2007, 04:42:14 PM
Oh Ang...I am so sorry you went thru that!  How scary!  Thank goodness you are ok....((((hugs))))


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:




 :wink:

im going back to the shoe store with my camera i will be back later

if Anna comes around please dont tell her anything that i mentioned about shoes, she is already wound up tighter than a seized-up chain saw when it comes to me and the shoes... this will just be our little secret


thank you for your COOPERATION  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.



Hey Angie...one day...when she starts to choke and point to the phone...just pick it up and say...HELLO, HELLO...it's not ringing   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:44:49 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Angie, geesh! I wouldn't want that person around if I needed help! Glad you are OK. I hate when that happens, that happeened to me a few weeks ago, and like you said tears were rolling. I too ran to the bathroom, as I was in a restaurant and embaressed.

 I was emabrassed too.. thank God there was only one customer.
I wasnt even crying.. eyes were watering so bad.. Glad you are ok too Elaine. it was Skeery to say the least.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Mere on May 08, 2007, 04:45:18 PM
What LilPuma said....ask the person to speak or ask if they are in trouble....if they cannot speak or shake their head yes that they are in trouble, do not hesitate...use the Heimlich....

http://www.ehow.com/how_14949_heimlich-maneuver.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000047.htm
with illustrations....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:



OR, send her some flowers and thank her for all her help   :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:




 :wink:

im going back to the shoe store with my camera i will be back later

if Anna comes around please dont tell her anything that i mentioned about shoes, she is already wound up tighter than a seized-up chain saw when it comes to me and the shoes... this will just be our little secret


thank you for your COOPERATION  8)


  ROFL   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.



Hey Angie...one day...when she starts to choke and point to the phone...just pick it up and say...HELLO, HELLO...it's not ringing   :lol:


 TY KIMMY

 Holy heck.. how have you been? its nice to see you back Amy!!!!  :lol:
 great idea... lol But I couldnt be that dang simple as she  was.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
Angie - can you ship a case of those Blazing Hot BBQ chips to JPK2?  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:49:49 PM
Sorry.. didnt mean to change the subject. but its not shoes at least.. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - can you ship a case of those Blazing Hot BBQ chips to JPK2?  :lol:


 Why yes I could!  :) :)   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on May 08, 2007, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - can you ship a case of those Blazing Hot BBQ chips to JPK2?  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:52:44 PM
Aw....Angie, it feels good to be back. I'm great...new job rocks. How have you been?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 04:53:06 PM
Good luck Detective Robots :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - can you ship a case of those Blazing Hot BBQ chips to JPK2?  :lol:


Now THAT is an idea!!! One I'm very much in favor of :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Aw....Angie, it feels good to be back. I'm great...new job rocks. How have you been?


 Ok here cept for today.. :)
What new job you got sweety????
 I recall what you did before..  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie - can you ship a case of those Blazing Hot BBQ chips to JPK2?  :lol:
ROFL! :smt043


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Aw....Angie, it feels good to be back. I'm great...new job rocks. How have you been?


 Ok here cept for today.. :)
What new job you got sweety????
 I recall what you did before..  :wink:


I'm an executive asisstant to the pres of a medical test kit co. Fell into my lap and couldn't pass it up since they want me to be in sales soon...   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Good luck Detective Robots :wink:


  LOL
 I can just see this now. going in a shoe dept with a digital camera..
 should we start collecting bail money now?  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Aw....Angie, it feels good to be back. I'm great...new job rocks. How have you been?


 Ok here cept for today.. :)
What new job you got sweety????
 I recall what you did before..  :wink:


I'm an executive asisstant to the pres of a medical test kit co. Fell into my lap and couldn't pass it up since they want me to be in sales soon...   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 That is awesome!!!!  CONGRATS to you!!!!!!!!!!!  :) :) :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:59:10 PM
Glad you are ok hon...not being able to breathe...sucks :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Txamyg on May 08, 2007, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Aw....Angie, it feels good to be back. I'm great...new job rocks. How have you been?


 Ok here cept for today.. :)
What new job you got sweety????
 I recall what you did before..  :wink:


I'm an executive asisstant to the pres of a medical test kit co. Fell into my lap and couldn't pass it up since they want me to be in sales soon...   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 That is awesome!!!!  CONGRATS to you!!!!!!!!!!!  :) :) :)



TY...keeps me on my toes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 05:01:08 PM
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
Ok since Robots said the shoes had two tags, I just looked at the tag inside my reeboks..it says... (US size 8 1/2 ...UK size 6...EUR size 39)...all that on one tag


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


I remember reading that on April 26th.  So according to this 4 witnesses were heard.  Wonder who those witnesses were?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/
This could be good news!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


 is that new news Mike????  :)  Is it good news?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 05:09:05 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Ok since Robots said the shoes had two tags, I just looked at the tag inside my reeboks..it says... (US size 8 1/2 ...UK size 6...EUR size 39)...all that on one tag
Also said Made in China....LMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


I remember reading that on April 26th.  So according to this 4 witnesses were heard.  Wonder who those witnesses were?


Ooops, I am getting very bad with dates!  Some how my mind thought that was this month.  Sorry about that.  Just searching around for news from the Netherlands and came across that one.

I'm told the Dutch are still in Aruba and they are still quiet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:10:35 PM
Ahh damn this pic cracks me up..Reminds me of the the Naked Gun Movies..Where they have long shootouts from 10 feet away and no one hitting anything..:twisted:

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/dompig2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
The girl robot was quite upset last night that you showed no interest.  Not even inviting her for coffee.  She said there aren't that many sweet, intelligent and charming robots around.  Poor thing.


dont worry i will smooth things over

i will give her a METAL BACK RUB  8)



I'm telling Mrs Robots and all the little robots!  Payback for that shoe nonsense!


 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Ok since Robots said the shoes had two tags, I just looked at the tag inside my reeboks..it says... (US size 8 1/2 ...UK size 6...EUR size 39)...all that on one tag
Also said Made in China....LMAO


  ROFL~!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 05:14:04 PM
Dompig cracks me up. He has this anti-terrorism agency whatever it is. This is the same guy who can not find anything on the three liars in this case? And he will protect people from what?? Nothing, is my bet. I wouldn't hire him to protect a goldfish.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 08, 2007, 05:15:36 PM
Klaas,

Can you get someone to translate the Bon Dia article that ******* posted? Wasn't it fairly current?

TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:17:02 PM
That was todays paper..I gave it to someone to translate..Not sure when and If they will get back to me..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


I remember reading that on April 26th.  So according to this 4 witnesses were heard.  Wonder who those witnesses were?


Jogger
Gardener
Meneses- unless he is the jogger.
Person who saw Paulus at 4 am and where.

That's my take.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: "Elaine"
Dompig cracks me up. He has this anti-terrorism agency whatever it is. This is the same guy who can not find anything on the three liars in this case? And he will protect people from what?? Nothing, is my bet. I wouldn't hire him to protect a goldfish.


ya the guy that got out witted by a 17 year old, a guy that was destined to work at the internet cafe for the rest of his life, and a guy that is in his 4 th year of twelfth grade.


no one can get over on Dddompig.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

Can you get someone to translate the Bon Dia article that ******* posted? Wasn't it fairly current?

TIA

The only one I know that can translate it is Jossy.

Easy - did you see that Bondia article that ******* blew the margins over.  In todays Bondia.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:




 :wink:

im going back to the shoe store with my camera i will be back later

if Anna comes around please dont tell her anything that i mentioned about shoes, she is already wound up tighter than a seized-up chain saw when it comes to me and the shoes... this will just be our little secret


thank you for your COOPERATION  8)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thignoresmiley-1.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/threalitycheck.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thhopeless.gif)


It doesn't matter if the shoes are planted at the FH, stuck in the mud or as someone suggested up somebody's rear, your boy Joran got caught in a bald faced lie about the size he wears.
I believe the Dutch interrogators are fully capable of navigating the size conversions for tennis shoes!  :roll: Most people are.  It's not rocket science.  Living in Europe, I am sure they are even more aware of this than we can ever hope to be.

You can believe Joran all you want but I don't and as far as I am concerned, he was caught lying about this by the Dutch.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
ORANJESTAD (26-4-07) - Naar verluidt zijn de afgelopen dagen opnieuw getuigen gehoord in de zaak Natalee Holloway. Het zou om het verhoor van vier getuigen gaan en een van hen zou een dezer dagen opnieuw worden gehoord, aldus de Amigoe.

Babel Fish:
According to reports the previous days again witnesses have been heard in the case Natalee Holloway. It the verhoor of four witnesses would go and of them dezer would again summon to be heard, thus the Amigoe.

http://antillen.nu/content/view/2360/2/


I remember reading that on April 26th.  So according to this 4 witnesses were heard.  Wonder who those witnesses were?


Jogger
Gardener
Meneses- unless he is the jogger.
Person who saw Paulus at 4 am and where.

That's my take.


  Rob,
 Do you mean the Meneses person kermit posted about? The pilot/photographer that had 7 statements taken??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Elaine"
Dompig cracks me up. He has this anti-terrorism agency whatever it is. This is the same guy who can not find anything on the three liars in this case? And he will protect people from what?? Nothing, is my bet. I wouldn't hire him to protect a goldfish.


ya the guy that got out witted by a 17 year old, a guy that was destined to work at the internet cafe for the rest of his life, and a guy that is in his 4 th year of twelfth grade.


no one can get over on Dddompig.


Yup..I bet he won't tell his paying customers tommorow about that in his opening speach.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/investigation.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 05:25:20 PM
ahhh huh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

Can you get someone to translate the Bon Dia article that ******* posted? Wasn't it fairly current?

TIA

The only one I know that can translate it is Jossy.

Easy - did you see that Bondia article that ******* blew the margins over.  In todays Bondia.


Do you have the link handy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Thansk Robots and glad you are ok :)
LilPuma.this girl dont like me.. I sure it would have pleased her to no end to see me lying on the floor. trust me. Shes a very jealous wench.. who would like nothing more then to have my job.


well, thats a shame


you really want to tick her off


be sickening nice to her......... 8)

it will make her go into MEGA MELTDOWN  :lol:  :twisted:



lol Robots..  :twisted:




 :wink:

im going back to the shoe store with my camera i will be back later

if Anna comes around please dont tell her anything that i mentioned about shoes, she is already wound up tighter than a seized-up chain saw when it comes to me and the shoes... this will just be our little secret


thank you for your COOPERATION  8)



(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thignoresmiley-1.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/threalitycheck.gif)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/thhopeless.gif)


It doesn't matter if the shoes are planted at the FH, stuck in the mud or as someone suggested up somebody's rear, your boy Joran got caught in a bald faced lie about the size he wears.
I believe the Dutch interrogators are fully capable of navigating the size conversions for tennis shoes!  :roll: Most people are.  It's not rocket science.  Living in Europe, I am sure they are even more aware of this than we can ever hope to be.

You can believe Joran all you want but I don't and as far as I am concerned, he was caught lying about this by the Dutch.

.



"ROBOTS"   My father has gone to the shoe store, complete with camera and back up discs. He asked me to keep up and mostly just read here and wants to know who is mocking him while he is gone. Anna is on the list and will promptly be reported to klassend per his request.
 8)
Also, please do humor him, my sister and I have just about had it with him and his exploits and investigations and theories, Please keep him involved in this case, otherwise we are subjected to his relentless opinions on just about everything


thank you very much !!


he is Great but we can only take so much of thim at a one time  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:27:57 PM
LOL..THx Klaas want me to resize it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: sharon on May 08, 2007, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

Can you get someone to translate the Bon Dia article that ******* posted? Wasn't it fairly current?

TIA


Hi JusticeforNatalee!

The Spanish to English babelfish (for the title only) is below. I translated the title without babelfish -- but just wanted to see what the translator would say. (btw -- semana is spanish for week)

Don't worry :D  I won't try to translate the article  :lol:
-----------------------------------------------------------------

"team special I gave hulanda ta na aruba at least 6 siman"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
HMMM--so we aren't sure if the team is there for at least six weeks or less than six weeks.



J4N, I would read that as at least six weeks.

That is a tremendous relief to know!  I was afraid they were already gone and we just didn't know it yet.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas,

Can you get someone to translate the Bon Dia article that ******* posted? Wasn't it fairly current?

TIA

The only one I know that can translate it is Jossy.

Easy - did you see that Bondia article that ******* blew the margins over.  In todays Bondia.


Do you have the link handy?


Page 6

http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/May/8/A-8-5-07.pdf


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: "*******"
LOL..THx Klaas want me to resize it?

Nope, I already resized it while you weren't looking..ha ha


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:37:02 PM
I wonder how much Dompig sellin one of these for? I bet the drug lords would love to have one of those :)

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Picture10.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
ahhh huh




ahh huh about the cartoon of Domping? Or about the post Kermit made about the pilot/photographer?
 You will have to excuse me .. Im confused.. lack of oxygen  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:39:51 PM
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:41:01 PM
Where is Dompig getting all that money for things like that?????

 :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 05:41:08 PM
I do not trust Dompig around a robot with a shot gun attached to the front of it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:43:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I do not trust Dompig around a robot with a shot gun attached to the front of it.


LOL!! Dont worry dude you see how close his targets were? He would be lucky to hit you even once. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nikkibnurse on May 08, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Hey guys..Totally O/T, but I was just having a few flashbacks...lol....

Did we ever figure out if the cell phone message supposedly left by Nat was real or not?

I was reading and catching up and someone posted that Nat's and her mom's code words were " I dont know these people"..Isnt that what was supposedly said on the cell message?

KLAAS?? Can you find what was said on that "cell message"?

Also, I am still trying to figure out exactly what time Pauulus was at the ATM...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
Hey guys..Totally O/T, but I was just having a few flashbacks...lol....

Did we ever figure out if the cell phone message supposedly left by Nat was real or not?

I was reading and catching up and someone posted that Nat's and her mom's code words were " I dont know these people"..Isnt that what was supposedly said on the cell message?

KLAAS?? Can you find what was said on that "cell message"?

Also, I am still trying to figure out exactly what time Pauulus was at the ATM...

No absolute verification but yes...."I don't know these people" and the sound of something like the monkey in the background.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 08, 2007, 05:47:04 PM
For Ramm

Although, probably not needed due to previous dugo report of lax Netherlands copywrite laws....

I have copied and passed out many copywrited research, etc articles.  I was told by legal to write "For educational purposes only" at the top.  And, no,  this was at a business, not a school. FWIW

Ramm does not profit from this work....as a matter of fact...he may need psych help before it's all over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 08, 2007, 05:47:13 PM
Yes, Anna,

I too am pleased that the investigators are STILL ON ARUBA!

And working very quietly. SHHHHHHHH


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Yes, Anna,

I too am pleased that the investigators are STILL ON ARUBA!

And working very quietly. SHHHHHHHH

Yep me too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on May 08, 2007, 05:51:49 PM
Klaas, I am thinking (and hoping) along the lines of
SHHHHHHHHH---GOTCHA!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas, I am thinking (and hoping) along the lines of
SHHHHHHHHH---GOTCHA!

Fingers crossed.  Wouldn't it be great to see a simultanious detention of JPK2 by the Dutch in Aruba and the NL?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
For Ramm

Although, probably not needed due to previous dugo report of lax Netherlands copywrite laws....

I have copied and passed out many copywrited research, etc articles.  I was told by legal to write "For educational purposes only" at the top.  And, no,  this was at a business, not a school. FWIW

Ramm does not profit from this work....as a matter of fact...he may need psych help before it's all over.


I completely agree, they are just trying to frighten him into not summarizing the book for us to read and know how totally foolish Joran is.  If what he is doing is illegal, we would have to arrest every fifth grader giving a book report.  They only WISH it were illegal.

One thing about those hate sites I have always found amusing is how they threaten to sue, call the cops, send in the Marines or whatever and yet always at the same time, you can find a thread where they are doing ten times worse themselves.

Just more of their

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
Klaas, I am thinking (and hoping) along the lines of
SHHHHHHHHH---GOTCHA!

Fingers crossed.  Wouldn't it be great to see a simultanious detention of JPK2 by the Dutch in Aruba and the NL?


  Sure would Klaas. One can hope!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Where is Dompig getting all that money for things like that?????

 :?


Good qustion..Maybee saving his money from years of payoffs? Maybee a silent partner like the Aruban Govt??
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Buckeye on May 08, 2007, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Anna"
Where is Dompig getting all that money for things like that?????

 :?


Good qustion..Maybee saving his money from years of payoffs? Maybee a silent partner like the Aruban Govt??
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/domig3.jpg)


Is that supposed to be Mogen David?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:02:32 PM
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


JUst significant because tommorow in Aruba is Israeli Experience day. He obviously was in that country getting equipment and training. There HQ is in Israel. Dompig runs the new Aruban Location.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 06:12:15 PM
no worry

the dutch aint there for a dog and sloot show  8)

they will get them


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Where is Dompig getting all that money for things like that?????

 :?

It's his payoff for his part in the coverup.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
Robots...How did your shoe investigation go? Is it easy to find a pair of shoes mis marked 3 sizes to small?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Robots...How did your shoe investigation go? Is it easy to find a pair of shoes mis marked 3 sizes to small?



good.... when my son gets home
he will upload the pictures for me

he is a good helper  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Elaine"
O/T but imporatant! Is anyone else watching a live news conference.. where they captured a group of terrorist, 6 of them that where going to Fort Dix  Military base in New Jersey...(they are gihadists, associated with Bin Ladin)..they were going to attack the base and civilians., and kill as many as they could. I lived in Fort Dix for two years!!


The politically correct policies which are allowing the democracies of the free world to be defeated from within need to be challenged or ... one day ... we are all going to wake up and find that the Islamic goal of "world domination" has been realized.

Janet
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270601,00.html

Adding this prognosis for 2015 - Muslim Minority, Europe - "The minimum birthrate necessary to keep a society going is 2.1 children per woman. Europe's birthrate [2004] is 1.5 and falling. The immigrants who are taking the place of Germans, Italians, French and others are largely Muslim. It is estimated that in England, Muslim worshippers at mosques already [2004] outnumber congregrants of the Church of England every weekend.
   "About 5 percent of the European Union [2004] is Muslim, and historian Bernard Lewis told a German newspaper that Europe would be majority Islamic by the end of the century 'at the latest.' As Timothy Savage has noted in The Washington Quarterly, the United nation's estimates that Europe's native population will decline by 100 million or more in the next 50 years [2004-2054?]. The Muslim minority in Europe is quite fecund, however, and will double in size by 2015." [Based on: Mona Charen, Creators Syndicate, 10/04/04] is :



6 Foreign-Born Men Arrested in Alleged Fort Dix Murder Plot
Tuesday, May 08, 2007


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Anna - I have always told my friends who have children : I will babysit your pets but never your children.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2007, 06:28:11 PM
I went away overnight, came back today and at the top of the page is a post about shoes.  Guess we are still investigating shoes, eh?  :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I went away overnight, came back today and at the top of the page is a post about shoes.  Guess we are still investigating shoes, eh?  :D  :D


 Hi yah Muffy.. Tibor  etc.
 Muffy.. I am sure it will be comical to view Robots photos.. !   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 06:32:47 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Anna - I have always told my friends who have children : I will babysit your pets but never your children.


Geez guys I don't ever volunteer-friends and family just assume that's why God put me here. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


JUst significant because tommorow in Aruba is Israeli Experience day. He obviously was in that country getting equipment and training. There HQ is in Israel. Dompig runs the new Aruban Location.


TY *******. I guess I missed the Aruban/Israeli connection.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Anna - I have always told my friends who have children : I will babysit your pets but never your children.


Geez guys I don't ever volunteer-friends and family just assume that's why God put me here. :lol:


If you get a dog that tries to herd small children into a corner and keep them there, no one asks you to babysit.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Anna - I have always told my friends who have children : I will babysit your pets but never your children.


Geez guys I don't ever volunteer-friends and family just assume that's why God put me here. :lol:


If you get a dog that tries to herd small children into a corner and keep them there, no one asks you to babysit.  :lol:



I'll have to try that then! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


JUst significant because tommorow in Aruba is Israeli Experience day. He obviously was in that country getting equipment and training. There HQ is in Israel. Dompig runs the new Aruban Location.


TY *******. I guess I missed the Aruban/Israeli connection.

Yeah he went for training now he is a terrorist specialist :roll: .

What he should do now is go arrest his two terrorist cousins Deepak and Satish Kalpoe because that's the only job they will be good for they had a lot of practice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Never volunteer to babysit!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/th3_13_14.gif)


 I do feel for you Anna.. lol


Anna - I have always told my friends who have children : I will babysit your pets but never your children.


Geez guys I don't ever volunteer-friends and family just assume that's why God put me here. :lol:


If you get a dog that tries to herd small children into a corner and keep them there, no one asks you to babysit.  :lol:


I never had anyone ask when I had my German Shepherd Dogs .....  :lol:
I have minded children for a short while but they were old enough to have a sensible conversation with and could amuse themselves with books etc.
The little ones scare the daylights out of me
 :lol:
I would rather look after several litters of pups at the one time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
I never had anyone ask when I had my German Shepherd Dogs .....  :lol:
I have minded children for a short while but they were old enough to have a sensible conversation with and could amuse themselves with books etc.
The little ones scare the daylights out of me
 :lol:
I would rather look after several litters of pups at the one time.


Much, much rather look after several litters of pups.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: AnnieMW1 on May 08, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
You ladies are scaring me.  I'm babysitting my sister's kids in June - 5 and 3.  And I don't even know how to change a diaper!   :roll:   It's going to be a LONG 72 hours.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


JUst significant because tommorow in Aruba is Israeli Experience day. He obviously was in that country getting equipment and training. There HQ is in Israel. Dompig runs the new Aruban Location.


TY *******. I guess I missed the Aruban/Israeli connection.

Yeah he went for training now he is a terrorist specialist :roll: .

What he should do now is go arrest his two terrorist cousins Deepak and Satish Kalpoe because that's the only job they will be good for they had a lot of practice.



 :lol:  San


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 06:48:22 PM
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 06:49:18 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
You ladies are scaring me.  I'm babysitting my sister's kids in June - 5 and 3.  And I don't even know how to change a diaper!   :roll:   It's going to be a LONG 72 hours.


HI Annie, long time no see, great to see you!

You'll do fine, I actually don't mind babysitting in short spurts, if they are in diapers typically they are less mobile which is when all the trouble begins with those terrible 3's and the can actually break into a run and get away  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 06:49:38 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
You ladies are scaring me.  I'm babysitting my sister's kids in June - 5 and 3.  And I don't even know how to change a diaper!   :roll:   It's going to be a LONG 72 hours.

Hopefully the 5 year old is potty trained :lol: .

I'm sure you will do fine Annie.  In case you have any trouble go to Joe Tacopina's house and ask him for help he has 5 kids.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: igsigs on May 08, 2007, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
2)  Freek       VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1971, residing in Boxtel;

Pass. Too easy....    8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: "AnnieMW1"
You ladies are scaring me.  I'm babysitting my sister's kids in June - 5 and 3.  And I don't even know how to change a diaper!   :roll:   It's going to be a LONG 72 hours.


I work for a Head Start program that has 800 little kids in the 3-5 age range.  :shock:

Get ear plugs. Oh, and best of luck to you.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:51:01 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Umm....I don't understand the significance of the truck picture.

Can someone splain it to me?  :oops:


JUst significant because tommorow in Aruba is Israeli Experience day. He obviously was in that country getting equipment and training. There HQ is in Israel. Dompig runs the new Aruban Location.


TY *******. I guess I missed the Aruban/Israeli connection.

Yeah he went for training now he is a terrorist specialist :roll: .

What he should do now is go arrest his two terrorist cousins Deepak and Satish Kalpoe because that's the only job they will be good for they had a lot of practice.


Then they could all go get a job in Chavez' army of terrorists.   Guess Dompig is setting himself up ready for the big takeover with all his background knowledge of the Aruban underworld.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
2)  Freek       VAN DER SLOOT, born in 1971, residing in Boxtel;

Pass. Too easy....    8)

ROFLMAO  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


ok moving forward anyone who mentions the S word has to eat a bug  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


ok moving forward anyone who mentions the S word has to eat a bug  :lol:


You do mean SHANGO, Don't you None??????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


ok moving forward anyone who mentions the S word has to eat a bug  :lol:


Here ya go  :lol:

(http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/669/39f/il_430xN.7550618.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


 Yep.. I stole'em and have them on right at the moment   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 06:57:06 PM
Hi Tib !

no never shango, Lala's would never forgive me, I meant

SHOES

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Anybody seen my shoes layin' around?  I left them some where...  8)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/thththsneakersblack1.gif)

Maybe they just walked away.

I've heard some shoes do that!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 06:58:05 PM
BT that bug is too cute, I meant ugly ones, I have a few around here on my screen porch that give me the willies  :lol: so that kinda bug !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 06:58:57 PM
oh Anna and Angie, you do the honors, our first bug eaters !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT that bug is too cute, I meant ugly ones, I have a few around here on my screen porch that give me the willies  :lol: so that kinda bug !


You don't have scorpions, do you?  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Hi Tib !

no never shango, Lala's would never forgive me, I meant

SHOES

 :lol:


Well Robots has just done his Robotic survey of footwear


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT that bug is too cute, I meant ugly ones, I have a few around here on my screen porch that give me the willies  :lol: so that kinda bug !


You don't have scorpions, do you?  :shock:


I hope not  :shock: they seem to like you so much I heard they all moved in at your place !

 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: "MuffyBee"
I went away overnight, came back today and at the top of the page is a post about shoes.  Guess we are still investigating shoes, eh?  :D  :D



Yes, ROBOTS keeps picking on me about the shoes!  

At least he has had his tetanus shot should it come to that!

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT that bug is too cute, I meant ugly ones, I have a few around here on my screen porch that give me the willies  :lol: so that kinda bug !


You don't have scorpions, do you?  :shock:


I hope not  :shock: they seem to like you so much I heard they all moved in at your place !

 :lol:


Pffftttt!!!! Already been finding them in the bathroom this spring.  :evil: Exterminator was here yesterday.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh Anna and Angie, you do the honors, our first bug eaters !


  Anna you go first.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 07:04:01 PM
BT you need to resolve that problem, is there any such thing as a scorpion eater? Buy one  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 07:04:54 PM
O/T I ran accross this photo of Robot's relatives!  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RobotsParents.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT you need to resolve that problem, is there any such thing as a scorpion eater? Buy one  :lol:


I think a PIMP would be a good scorpion eater if I could just get a collar on one and chain it to the bathroom.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
oh Anna and Angie, you do the honors, our first bug eaters !



No, thanks!  Save it for ROBOTS who is the one who won't stop.

After babysitting these kids I feel much more like a

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/21o22j6_th.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "nonesuche"
BT you need to resolve that problem, is there any such thing as a scorpion eater? Buy one  :lol:


I think a PIMP would be a good scorpion eater if I could just get a collar on one and chain it to the bathroom.  :lol:


now THAT is funny  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas I'm looking at your artwork today, once again you ROCK !!!!

Anna, I told San today that recent studies show we all should be drinking at least one glass of red wine daily, so you could chase it with your island cocktail?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T I ran accross this photo of Robot's relatives!  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RobotsParents.jpg)


The family resemblance is uncanny!  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
O/T I ran accross this photo of Robot's relatives!  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/RobotsParents.jpg)


The family resemblance is uncanny!  :lol:


  Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Here is how a crime is investigated by real investigators. Notice the time line.

    *  May 1, 2007: Prosecutors: 'Ringleader' Made 911 Call Posing As Dead Man
    * April 30, 2007: Second Man Goes On Trial In Couple's Slaying
    * September 15, 2005: Two Suspects In Missing Couple's Murders Extradited
    * August 12, 2005: Missing Couple Murder Suspects To Be Tried In Florida
    * July 26, 2005: Police: Missing Couple's Graves Dug Several Days Before Being Buried Alive
    * July 20, 2005: Medical Examiner: Missing Couple Buried Alive
    * July 19, 2005: Family: Missing Couple's Kindness Led To Their Believed Death
    * July 17, 2005: Police Recover Bodies Believed To Be Missing Couple
    * July 16, 2005: Police: Missing Couple Believed Dead
    * July 15, 2005: Police Speaking With 'Persons Of Interest' In Search For Missing Couple
    * July 13, 2005: Police Suspect Foul Play In Missing Handicapped Couple's Disappearance
    * July 13, 2005: Missing Couple Feared Victims Of Foul Play


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 07:14:17 PM
I still say Joran is

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Avatars/Adoptables/447xzlj_th.jpg)
to go on the Peter DeVries show and pimp his book.

He is skeered of DeVries.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 07:14:19 PM
Interesting reading if you havent read this yet. Michelle is revisiting her old article..lol

To me, that is really sad...awhile back I wrote a post about Posner and his Chicago days burying himself in various criminal activities such as pimping, owning strip clubs and involvement with the mob.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/11/scumbags-of-aruba-part-1-michael.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
 Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


The robots look like they're covered in fabric to me.

You had one chip?  :shock: Are you a sick puppy? :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
 Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


The robots look like they're covered in fabric to me.

You had one chip?  :shock: Are you a sick puppy? :shock:  :shock:


 I just looked at the pic again BT.. you are right.. looks like fabric.  :oops:
 At first glance looked like painted stones..   :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 07:20:55 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
 Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


The robots look like they're covered in fabric to me.

You had one chip?  :shock: Are you a sick puppy? :shock:  :shock:


They are "sock robots"  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


Just passing through and saw this and know that it is long past time to talk about it, but if I read Don Quixote in English and tried to tell a friend about it in French, would that be illegal, copyright imfringement?  Just wondering.  If so, we are going to have to quit reading ourselves and just let the refugees tell us what to think. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
 Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


The robots look like they're covered in fabric to me.

You had one chip?  :shock: Are you a sick puppy? :shock:  :shock:


They are "sock robots"  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
 Cute..
  Are those stones that are painted?  :oops:
 And I am not eating anything today period.. I had one chip and that was friggin enough for me.


The robots look like they're covered in fabric to me.

You had one chip?  :shock: Are you a sick puppy? :shock:  :shock:


They are "sock robots"  :lol:


 :oops:  TY for the clarification  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 07:27:17 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
It is interesting to read Deepak's June 9 and June 10 statements at the same time.  The tone of his story changes repeatedly in each.  On June 9, Deepak was sticking to hie HI story like glue.  He talks about Steve being a witness and thinks that lie wi going to work and things will be okay.  Then by the next day, he singing a different tune.  As Shango would say, "his cards have already been dealt and he didn't receive a good hand."  

These statements seem to have so much left out of them.  Notice by June 10 it was then 13:45 hours.  Joran has already been questioned and things are starting to fall apart by now.   They told Deepak that Joran was trying to place the blame on him.  Suddenly Deeapk is suffering from that common disease in Aruba...can't rememberitis.


I think the Holiday Inn story was to set Deepak up all along and then the computer problem arose, so it was Satish instead. OK, I'm really behind.  You have all probably gone on to the last chapter by now, but this is to set Deepak up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 07:29:38 PM
HI Monkeys   :)

AngieX
I'm so glad you came out Ok.

I gave the Heimlich (sp) once to an older  lady that was chocking on a cracker of all things.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 07:31:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
I hope Ramm has the fortitude to continue with his translations and ignores MR's temper tantrum.

I'm sure Ramm could care less what Medleyrelay says.


You mean she has not been arrested yet for that post office violation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
HI Monkeys   :)

AngieX
I'm so glad you came out Ok.

I gave the Heimlich (sp) once to an older  lady that was chocking on a cracker of all things.


 I did it on my gramma years ago before I knew WTH I was doing and broke her rib  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

 Howdy OF..    Hoping there is some good news.. seems the investigators are still in Aruba,..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tylergal on May 08, 2007, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: "Txamyg"
Good afternoon all...I have missed my Monkey Friends


We have missed you.  Did you get married, or not?  If I asked the wrong question, I apologize.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: nonesuche on May 08, 2007, 07:34:56 PM
Tyler  :lol:  :lol:

Hi OF  :D

Angie, first time I ever choked seriously was in my 40's, now I can choke on coffee if given the chance  :roll: but I know how it feels and for some reason drier things like OF said - crackers and such do it too? Be careful and I'm glad you're okay.

I'm off to have jello with diet cool whip for dinner  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 07:37:08 PM
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
HI Monkeys   :)

AngieX
I'm so glad you came out Ok.

I gave the Heimlich (sp) once to an older  lady that was chocking on a cracker of all things.


 I did it on my gramma years ago before I knew WTH I was doing and broke her rib  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

 Howdy OF..    Hoping there is some good news.. seems the investigators are still in Aruba,..


So was it the Chip or the heat of the chip that caused it?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 07:38:33 PM
Two PV'S caught my eye reading last night.

Reneska(Guard at HI) on July 8th says that it is remarkeable that a  local thug and a slim white guy were never seen again after May 30th 2005.


The Satish-Joran Confrontation june 18th

Satish says it wasnt true that they stopped at VDS house after C&C and said Joran was lying. Joran said no we stopped at the VDS house first and Satish was lying. Personally I think its just spin by Dennis Jacobs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: ldstlou on May 08, 2007, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


Do you all remember how many book reports we had to do in highschool/college...I say it's a book report!!

Just passing through and saw this and know that it is long past time to talk about it, but if I read Don Quixote in English and tried to tell a friend about it in French, would that be illegal, copyright imfringement?  Just wondering.  If so, we are going to have to quit reading ourselves and just let the refugees tell us what to think. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: ldstlou on May 08, 2007, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: "ldstlou"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
I just read this at RU. :shock: I hope Ramm isn't in any trouble.Does anyone know if he could be breaking any copyright law?

xxjenniferdawnxx wrote:
These don't seem like chapter summaries to me. Looks like whoever it was went through to translate and paraphrase each paragraph or so. Is that breaking copyright?


Anyone that posts at RU is FOS.  I notice that they are on an all out mission to discredit the MB kids again.

From what I've read from the Dutch posters, copywrite laws in the NL are not as strict as in the US.


Do you all remember how many book reports we had to do in highschool/college...I say it's a book report!!

Just passing through and saw this and know that it is long past time to talk about it, but if I read Don Quixote in English and tried to tell a friend about it in French, would that be illegal, copyright imfringement?  Just wondering.  If so, we are going to have to quit reading ourselves and just let the refugees tell us what to think. :roll:


oops messed up...lol

Do you all remember how many book reports we had to do in highschool/college...I say it's a book report!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


Next couple of chapters should be interesting as they are about Natalee. :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: ldstlou on May 08, 2007, 07:42:24 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


ME TOO!!!
Book report is due Ramm!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Tyler  :lol:  :lol:

Hi OF  :D

Angie, first time I ever choked seriously was in my 40's, now I can choke on coffee if given the chance  :roll: but I know how it feels and for some reason drier things like OF said - crackers and such do it too? Be careful and I'm glad you're okay.

I'm off to have jello with diet cool whip for dinner  :lol:


  LOL  Thanks
 it was the spice that did it.. like Klaas said. I need to ship a case off to JK2..  :)  :lol:  Be glad to..  You may as well swallow a habanero pepper whole.  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


LOL..  This one should even be packed more full of BS.. if its possible.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


These are the next 3 chapters.  I guess Ramm is working on chapter 7 now.


7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i went to shoe store today

some sneakers had SIZE 10 and SIZE 12 BOTH listed on the TAGS

when the clerk asked me if i needed any HELP....

i said......um well not really im just investigating a murder case


and he said, "oh i didnt know the standard uniform was a YANKEES hat and T-shirt for detectives"


ROFL

SMART A _ _ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x



  8)


At least this latest foray into detective land did not involve a tetanus shot.
ROFLMAO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: tidycat on May 08, 2007, 07:52:16 PM
You guys are so funny today!  Esp. Anna and Robots!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: greeneyedlady on May 08, 2007, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


These are the next 3 chapters.  I guess Ramm is working on chapter 7 now.


7 Natalee Holloway 63 Natalee Holloway

8 Joran ontmoet Natalee 76 Joran meets Natalee

9 De leugens 96 The Lies


Ch.9 should be very interesting...Joran's covering up lies with even more lies. :twisted:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Frijole on May 08, 2007, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

9 De leugens 96 The Lies



Chapter 9 is going to be very very long.... I can tell from the title.   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What's holding up Ramm?  I'm ready for the next chapter of Toon Town.


Next couple of chapters should be interesting as they are about Natalee. :?


Yep, and I bet we are all a bunch of happy campers after those!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "klaasend"

9 De leugens 96 The Lies



Chapter 9 is going to be very very long.... I can tell from the title.   :lol:



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:02:36 PM
9 De leugens 96 The Lies ----   Chapter 9 The Lies  
is 96 the number that Joran came up with or a page #   :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
9 De leugens 96 The Lies ----   Chapter 9 The Lies  
is 96 the number that Joran came up with or a page #   :?


Silly OF! You know Joran's told waaaaay more than 96 lies! He probably tells that many before breakfast every day.  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "oldfart"
9 De leugens 96 The Lies ----   Chapter 9 The Lies  
is 96 the number that Joran came up with or a page #   :?


Silly OF! You know Joran's told waaaaay more than 96 lies! He probably tells that many before breakfast every day.  :lol:

Maybe Joran was counting backwards and was up to 96 bottles of beer on the wall.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....

I agree with Mr. Peaches set the alarm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:11:30 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....

I agree with Mr. Peaches set the alarm.


I'm not a doctor or nurse, but that would be my call too. Sounds like great fun!  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:11:32 PM
Talking about lies


From DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
Setting - May 31th after Beth & company left the Sloots
Quote
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran had also said that he had to go to school later. His father had also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
Quote from: "robots"
im not a squeeeeeeler  8)

someone was squeeeling on me last night for bringing up the shoes again

i will have to go back and see who it was.........  8)


It was me.[/b]


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....

I agree with Mr. Peaches set the alarm.


I'm not a doctor or nurse, but that would be my call too. Sounds like great fun!  :P

Besides it says 4-6 hours so you would only have to set the clock to 5.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....

I agree with Mr. Peaches set the alarm.


 Hey Peaches sweety .. my potty mouth  buddy  :wink:
 I agree with Mr Peaches and San.. set the alarm
  Wishing you well at your APPT~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 08:16:31 PM
Alrighty then.  I'll set the alarm.  This crap may taste better if I'm half asleep!

I have a CT tomorrow at 9:30.  This is the time they will look for any activity.  My CA-125 score is way low so I expect no surprises.

I know y'all will pray me right thru this tomorrow just as you always have.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Is there a doctor or nurse here right now?  I have a question.  Go figure.

I have to drink a bottle of this yummy  :roll:  contrast 4-6 hours in advance of my CT scan which is tomorrow at 9:30.  So the question is: if my appointment is at 9:30, what time do I have to drink this stuff?

Do I set my alarm and get up in the middle of the nite?

I'm all caught up here and I have to get some rest.  

I'm sure this is a simple answer and I'm just making it difficult.  Of course asking Mr. Peaches doesn't make it easier because the architect in him says set the clock...etc....


I'm guessing that if the appointment is at 9:30  scan will be at 10 - 10:30
minus 4-5 hrs would be  5 or 6:30  
Don't they also ask you when you finished it?

Jmo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Alrighty then.  I'll set the alarm.  This crap may taste better if I'm half asleep!

I have a CT tomorrow at 9:30.  This is the time they will look for any activity.  My CA-125 score is way low so I expect no surprises.

I know y'all will pray me right thru this tomorrow just as you always have.


I hope it goes really well for you and that you have great news after the scan!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Peaches on May 08, 2007, 08:17:31 PM
OF, I think you're right.  They'll ask me when I drank it and then hand me another yummy bottle anyway!

Nite all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
OF, I think you're right.  They'll ask me when I drank it and then hand me another yummy bottle anyway!

Nite all.


Praying for...Peaches


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:19:58 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Talking about lies


From DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
Setting - May 31th after Beth & company left the Sloots
Quote
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran had also said that he had to go to school later. His father had also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.


So Deepak is saying he starts to leave at 06:10 and arrives at home 35 minutes later.  I wonder if he made a stop somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:22:11 PM
San
Do any of them have a watch ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
San
Do any of them have a watch ??

My guess would be their cell phones will have the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Talking about lies


From DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
Setting - May 31th after Beth & company left the Sloots
Quote
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran had also said that he had to go to school later. His father had also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.


So Deepak is saying he starts to leave at 06:10 and arrives at home 35 minutes later.  I wonder if he made a stop somewhere.


Probably needed to take a leak again  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 08:23:47 PM
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "oldfart"
San
Do any of them have a watch ??

My guess would be their cell phones will have the time.

I'll bet they lie too :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Easywriter on May 08, 2007, 08:24:33 PM
Hopin’ and a prayin’ for nothing but good news for Peaches tomorrow!  Btw, what is the latest news from the peeping squirrel?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:26:09 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Talking about lies


From DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
Setting - May 31th after Beth & company left the Sloots
Quote
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran had also said that he had to go to school later. His father had also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.


So Deepak is saying he starts to leave at 06:10 and arrives at home 35 minutes later.  I wonder if he made a stop somewhere.


Probably needed to take a leak again  :evil:  :evil:

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2007, 08:27:32 PM
I'm going to see what is in the Refrig/cabinets . (know I do not have jello & cool whip  :(  )

BBL
SeeeYaaa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Hopin’ and a prayin’ for nothing but good news for Peaches tomorrow!  Btw, what is the latest news from the peeping squirrel?


Haven't had an update lately. I hope we hear from him soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Alrighty then.  I'll set the alarm.  This crap may taste better if I'm half asleep!

I have a CT tomorrow at 9:30.  This is the time they will look for any activity.  My CA-125 score is way low so I expect no surprises.

I know y'all will pray me right thru this tomorrow just as you always have.


Peaches

Reach up and call out to our Heavenly Father.  He will grant you peace through the storm and strength to to endure.

Hugs and Prayers

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


I dont get this statement. Sounds like Jorans mattress wasnt where it should have been.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


right- the pic I saw with the two girls looks like some kind of cot and off the ground...

maybe the furniture was for him afterall???

like - damm, let's get anything we can right away!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


I dont get this statement. Sounds like Jorans mattress wasnt where it should have been.


I thought from the pictures we'd seen that Joran's mattresses were always on the floor. Am I confused again? LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 08:34:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/threadlock.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 08:34:45 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Alrighty then.  I'll set the alarm.  This crap may taste better if I'm half asleep!

I have a CT tomorrow at 9:30.  This is the time they will look for any activity.  My CA-125 score is way low so I expect no surprises.

I know y'all will pray me right thru this tomorrow just as you always have.


I hope it goes really well for you and that you have great news after the scan!


Ditto from me also  :smt045  :smt045


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 08:36:27 PM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/82426650_578bdc4cac_m.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2007, 08:37:10 PM
That Anita Van Der Snout was certainly wild about the colors yellow and orange, no doubt about it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2007, 08:38:17 PM
Jorans "apartment" was probably intended originally for domestic help-the maid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:39:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/82426650_578bdc4cac_m.jpg)


so is it off the ground slightly, or is it flat on the ground?
it's hard to tell.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


I dont get this statement. Sounds like Jorans mattress wasnt where it should have been.


I thought from the pictures we'd seen that Joran's mattresses were always on the floor. Am I confused again? LOL


It looked like there could have been mattresses on the floor for and drop-ins to crash.  And of course the "peasants" would be expected to sit on the floor while their masters sat on the bed or chair.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: MuffyBee on May 08, 2007, 08:40:22 PM
Looks the mattress is on a very low metal frame to me.  No box spring


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 08:40:34 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Alrighty then.  I'll set the alarm.  This crap may taste better if I'm half asleep!

I have a CT tomorrow at 9:30.  This is the time they will look for any activity.  My CA-125 score is way low so I expect no surprises.

I know y'all will pray me right thru this tomorrow just as you always have.


Peaches

Reach up and call out to our Heavenly Father.  He will grant you peace through the storm and strength to to endure.

Hugs and Prayers

Janet



 AMEN


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


I dont get this statement. Sounds like Jorans mattress wasnt where it should have been.


I thought from the pictures we'd seen that Joran's mattresses were always on the floor. Am I confused again? LOL


It looked like there could have been mattresses on the floor for and drop-ins to crash.  And of course the "peasants" would be expected to sit on the floor while their masters sat on the bed or chair.


Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


right- the pic I saw with the two girls looks like some kind of cot and off the ground...

maybe the furniture was for him afterall???

like - damm, let's get anything we can right away!!!!


No Idea..But that statement is weird to me. Sounds like he caught himself on the reason why they sat on the floor and where the mattress was. Just sounds to me like the bed was not where it always is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


Wouldn't he have stayed in the real house with the grown ups?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.


HUH??


right- the pic I saw with the two girls looks like some kind of cot and off the ground...

maybe the furniture was for him afterall???

like - damm, let's get anything we can right away!!!!


No Idea..But that statement is weird to me. Sounds like he caught himself on the reason why they sat on the floor and where the mattress was. Just sounds to me like the bed was not where it always is.


*******- I think we can eliminate the cot as a place Natalee fell and hurt her head.  

We have one answer anyway!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


Wouldn't he have stayed in the real house with the grown ups?


has anyone seen a layout of that dump?

you know.. like a crime scene lay out of the entire house? a schematic...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 08:46:08 PM
"Rob":

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


With Paulus & Anita   8)

Sorry couldn't resist

Howdy Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/809a83ec-1.jpg)

They have a bed in that back corner also..Looks like a day bed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


Wouldn't he have stayed in the real house with the grown ups?


has anyone seen a layout of that dump?

you know.. like a crime scene lay out of the entire house? a schematic...


I've only seen the overhead pictures that have been posted showing sleeping quarters, dining quarters, etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Bed is on floor.


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Joransbedonfloor1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote:
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

HUH??


I dont get this statement. Sounds like Jorans mattress wasnt where it should have been.


I thought from the pictures we'd seen that Joran's mattresses were always on the floor. Am I confused again? LOL


It looked like there could have been mattresses on the floor for and drop-ins to crash.  And of course the "peasants" would be expected to sit on the floor while their masters sat on the bed or chair.


Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?

There is also a bed in the main house.  Look in the next room in the corner.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/PaulusBack2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
"Rob":

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


With Paulus & Anita   8)

Sorry couldn't resist

Howdy Monkeys

 :lol: Hi Yap.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
"Rob":

Well, I have a question -

where was his judge buddy sleeping when he stayed over?


With Paulus & Anita   8)

Sorry couldn't resist

Howdy Monkeys


I knew someone would say that...

Hi Ya Yapperz1


Good Luck to Peaches tomorrow too. :clown:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 08:54:59 PM
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 08:55:13 PM
Hey Yap..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: thirdstrike on May 08, 2007, 08:57:08 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/PaulusBack2.jpg)[/quote]

What's up with the colors in that house?  Looks like they hit the 75% off shelf in the paint department at Walmart... :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: mishy on May 08, 2007, 08:57:19 PM
Evening Monkeys...what's shakin? Besides my badonkadonk?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: "San"
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.


right San, it makes no sense.. the hotels are 2 miles away.. and their nicer than the slootie toots dump.

It makes no sense and the more you look at it, the more BS it becomes.

The only way it make sense is if the judge is pocketing the hotel and meal money that the Judiciary gives him or he is staying at the Gottenbos'... which looks like a freaking mansion.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.


right San, it makes no sense.. the hotels are 2 miles away.. and their nicer than the slootie toots dump.

It makes no sense and the more you look at it, the more BS it becomes.

The only way it make sense is if the judge is pocketing the hotel and meal money that the Judiciary gives him or he is staying at the Gottenbos'... which looks like a freaking mansion.

That Judge even looks like a Sloot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:01:04 PM
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)

I imagine the cost of staying in a resort hotel is pretty high for judges?  Maybe they stay at Sloots and pocket the difference?

Dunno.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on May 08, 2007, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/PaulusBack2.jpg)


What's up with the colors in that house?  Looks like they hit the 75% off shelf in the paint department at Walmart... :roll:[/quote]

 I been to Nassau, Bahamas years ago.. and  it seems to be the same color scheme.  LOUD COLORS


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:02:57 PM
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/PaulusBack2.jpg)


What's up with the colors in that house?  Looks like they hit the 75% off shelf in the paint department at Walmart... :roll:[/quote]

Anita steals the paint from the School Bus garage at school.

 :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:03:10 PM
ROFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:  

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranFaceswat.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "San"
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.


right San, it makes no sense.. the hotels are 2 miles away.. and their nicer than the slootie toots dump.

It makes no sense and the more you look at it, the more BS it becomes.

The only way it make sense is if the judge is pocketing the hotel and meal money that the Judiciary gives him or he is staying at the Gottenbos'... which looks like a freaking mansion.

That Judge even looks like a Sloot.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/BobWit.jpg)(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Paulus13.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 09:04:15 PM
All of them lived well...Looks at GVC'S place!! Guidos place!! Gottenboes!! and especially Van Rijns!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:04:26 PM
The Sloot's have day bed and cots all over the place.. hardly looks like judge's chambers.

I don't see this place being 'wealth judge stay over material'.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
ROFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:  

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranFaceswat.gif)

This is great :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: thirdstrike on May 08, 2007, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/PaulusBack2.jpg)


 I been to Nassau, Bahamas years ago.. and  it seems to be the same color scheme.  LOUD COLORS


Man, if those are simply LOUD colors Ang, I think I'd rather be DEAF!!  ;)

How you been girl?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: "*******"
All of them lived well...Looks at GVC'S place!! Guidos place!! Gottenboes!! and especially Van Rijns!!



*******,

I see it the other way around, GVC's and Gottenboes are pretty good, especially GVC's but Van Rijns is not nearly so nice.  Very plain, looks prefab or something.

I don't think I have seen much of where Guido lived.  Pic anybody?

..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
ROFLMAO  :lol:  :lol:  

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranFaceswat.gif)


Fantastic Klaas
Now we need one of Paulypuss   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
The Sloot's have day bed and cots all over the place.. hardly looks like judge's chambers.

I don't see this place being 'wealth judge stay over material'.


Riight..But it made a great excuse for him being there early in the morning during the search.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:09:19 PM
Yapperz - maybe after dinner  :wink:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: casa on May 08, 2007, 09:10:03 PM
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on May 08, 2007, 09:10:50 PM
Hiya Casa.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!

Hi Casa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!

I'm only watching TV :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: IndyDan on May 08, 2007, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/82426650_578bdc4cac_m.jpg)


so is it off the ground slightly, or is it flat on the ground?
it's hard to tell.

Boy, pics like this must be hard for someone like JoeTadpolepenis to make the argument that JVDS is an upstanding, honor roll student who does community service - one of Aruba's finest.  
To try to compare his accomplishments to Natalee's should be grounds for disbarment.  Taco is what makes most people hate attorneys.  He's an insult to the profession.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

.

Anna did they chase your puppies all around.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: casa on May 08, 2007, 09:15:25 PM
Anything new tonight or today?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


Upper right hand corner of the other mattress is also under the cot.

No, in some of the photos you can clearly see a shadow under the very low army style cot.

I almost expect to see Joran's feeding dish on the floor beside it!

. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


When was that pic taken? Before NH or after??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

.


Obviously you have survived?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
All of them lived well...Looks at GVC'S place!! Guidos place!! Gottenboes!! and especially Van Rijns!!



*******,

I see it the other way around, GVC's and Gottenboes are pretty good, especially GVC's but Van Rijns is not nearly so nice.  Very plain, looks prefab or something.

I don't think I have seen much of where Guido lived.  Pic anybody?

..
I would love to see where Guido lives or lived should I say. Hello Monkeys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

.

Anna did they chase your puppies all around.



No, they screamed every time the pups jumped up on them!   :roll: You'd have thought they were attack pups.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

.

Anna did they chase your puppies all around.


No, they screamed every time the pups jumped up on them!   :roll: You'd have thought they were attack pups.

.

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:18:13 PM
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



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Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


When was that pic taken? Before NH or after??


During Joran's Christmas break.  Those are the two girls who were licking his pimples, remember?

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:18:18 PM
im back

pictures of new shoes sent to Klass


im still using CAMO colors to keep invisible from Anna



 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: IndyDan on May 08, 2007, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: "San"
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.

AND most likely Judges on work assignments stay in the best of accommodations and write them off as business expense. Why stay at the Sloot dump when you could stay at the finest hotel with all the anemities?

Unless you thought there might be a chance of seeing Anita VDS in her see thru blouse and her huge Maidenform bra.  Can you say SEXAaAY!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 08, 2007, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


Nope - bed is higher off floor than previous pic.  You can see some of the bedhead leg below the mattress.

Where did Mishy go?  Just got back from chores and saw she had been doing her little dance.

Casa is also still balancing.  Clever kitty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:19:32 PM
DINNER TIME - BRB


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "casa"
Hey, Monkeys!  I'm multi-tasking tonight.  Watching tv, on the computer and grading papers!


Me, too, Casa,
Trying to put things back together after my day of babysitting.

 :roll:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Icons%20and%20Smilies/10782-1.gif)

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Anna did they chase your puppies all around.



No, they screamed every time the pups jumped up on them!   :roll: You'd have thought they were attack pups.

.


i love puppies  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: casa on May 08, 2007, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


When was that pic taken? Before NH or after??


During Joran's Christmas break.  Those are the two girls who were licking his pimples, remember?

.


Yuck!  That really makes me want to throw up! :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
klass
you have mail  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: "Anna"

During Joran's Christmas break.  Those are the two girls who were licking his pimples, remember?

.
Yes, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: IndyDan on May 08, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Evening Monkeys...what's shakin? Besides my badonkadonk?

 :smt026


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
[Obviously you have survived?


I'm not sure yet, Tibro.

I think I have but am still pretty much numb and my ears are ringing.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "robots"
im not a squeeeeeeler  8)

someone was squeeeling on me last night for bringing up the shoes again

i will have to go back and see who it was.........  8)


It was me.[/b]




 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:21:54 PM
The pics are obviously staged by either Anita or Julia or both in an attempt to resurrect his deliciousness.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: casa on May 08, 2007, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.


Nope - bed is higher off floor than previous pic.  You can see some of the bedhead leg below the mattress.

Where did Mishy go?  Just got back from chores and saw she had been doing her little dance.

Casa is also still balancing.  Clever kitty


I'm quite talented!!  haha :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "San"
I never understood why this judge would stay at the Sloot dump.  I still say that the Judge is related to Paulus.  Relatives stay with relatives.

AND most likely Judges on work assignments stay in the best of accommodations and write them off as business expense. Why stay at the Sloot dump when you could stay at the finest hotel with all the anemities?

Unless you thought there might be a chance of seeing Anita VDS in her see thru blouse and her huge Maidenform bra.  Can you say SEXAaAY!!!
:smt044  :smt044


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
[Obviously you have survived?


I'm not sure yet, Tibro.

I think I have but am still pretty much numb and my ears are ringing.

.


maybe you need to take your shoes OFF  8)

and relax :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 09:22:45 PM
Quote from: "robots"

i love puppies  8)


I think Robots is being a suck up.  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2007, 09:23:59 PM
During Joran's Christmas break. Those are the two girls who were licking his pimples, remember?

I remember Anna..I have seen the pics..THX


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "robots"

i love puppies  8)


I think Robots is being a suck up.  :lol:  :lol:




 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: "robots"
im back

pictures of new shoes sent to Klass


im still using CAMO colors to keep invisible from Anna



 8)



How much are you paying Klaas to Photoshop different sizes onto the tags?   :roll: That's why you don't just post them yourself.



Nonesuche says anybody who mentions S**** has to eat a bug!   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: IndyDan on May 08, 2007, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.

I've seen this pic before but it really bothers me.  These girls are little kids.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
im back

pictures of new shoes sent to Klass


im still using CAMO colors to keep invisible from Anna



 8)



How much are you paying Klaas to Photoshop different sizes onto the tags?   :roll: That's why you don't just post them yourself.



Nonesuche says anybody who mentions S**** has to eat a bug!   :shock:



i aint skerrrrrrrrrred of NONSUCHE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
One mattress is technically off the floor on a cot frame but very low and the other is flat on the floor.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Holloway/82426651_60091c3fa4.jpg)



.


Here the bed is clearly off the floor. The girls foot is under it. WTH!


Maybe her foot isn't under the cot - maybe it's only under the blanket hanging off the cot.

I've seen this pic before but it really bothers me.  These girls are little kids.


i agree

they look 12 ish  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: BTgirl on May 08, 2007, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
I've seen this pic before but it really bothers me.  These girls are little kids.


I know - they look like they're about 13 years old, don't they?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 09:26:55 PM
... and to think that these pretty little girls do not have a clue that they are being taken advantage of ... used for the selfish perverted pleasure of Joran and his friends and ... there are fathers would would be tempted to take the law into their own hands if they knew.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
The pics are obviously staged by either Anita or Julia or both in an attempt to resurrect his deliciousness.


Now that was exactly my impression as well, Rob, but I got flamed for even suggesting that it was Anita who took them.

I still believe it was and for that very reason, to show Joran has not one but TWO girls!   :roll:

It is just soooo Anita and she would totally miss that it looks so trashy.  Remember she talked about the co-ed slumber parties, too.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:30:15 PM
The one on the left is Melody.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: mishy on May 08, 2007, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "mishy"
Evening Monkeys...what's shakin? Besides my badonkadonk?

 :smt026


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I was reading in another thread...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Rob on May 08, 2007, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
The pics are obviously staged by either Anita or Julia or both in an attempt to resurrect his deliciousness.


Now that was exactly my impression as well, Rob, but I got flamed for even suggesting that it was Anita who took them.

I still believe it was and for that very reason, to show Joran has not one but TWO girls!   :roll:

It is just soooo Anita and she would totally miss that it looks so trashy.  Remember she talked about the co-ed slumber parties, too.

.


Right-On Anna ~ look everyone how sweet Joran can be to have two 13 year olds over for a pretend sleep over.. see he could never kill anyone and even these girls know that...so you should too.

And we would never stage photos in the VERY room where Natalee was taken.

Yeah right!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO

I agree Klaas.  Especially the one on the bed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
The pics are obviously staged by either Anita or Julia or both in an attempt to resurrect his deliciousness.


Now that was exactly my impression as well, Rob, but I got flamed for even suggesting that it was Anita who took them.

I still believe it was and for that very reason, to show Joran has not one but TWO girls!   :roll:

It is just soooo Anita and she would totally miss that it looks so trashy.  Remember she talked about the co-ed slumber parties, too.

.


Right-On Anna ~ look everyone how sweet Joran can be to have two 13 year olds over for a pretend sleep over.. see he could never kill anyone and even these girls know that...so you should too.

And we would never stage photos in the VERY room where Natalee was taken.

Yeah right!


Exactly!  He's never drugged, raped and killed either one of these, see?  They are both still alive after spending the night in his apartment.  He is harmless as can be.

 :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:33:41 PM
Robots - will post after the thread change  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:35:12 PM
Well, we aren't supposed to have seen all those photos of them out drunk with the rest of the gang!  We're supposed to think they are fine, sweet young things that Joran has never harmed because he wouldn't hurt a fly.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2007, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO


... not after they have been used ... taken advantage of ... by the likes of Joran and friends.  Pictures do not reveal the broken hearts and ... the tears that are shed when the realization sets in.

Janet


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "Rob"
The pics are obviously staged by either Anita or Julia or both in an attempt to resurrect his deliciousness.


Now that was exactly my impression as well, Rob, but I got flamed for even suggesting that it was Anita who took them.

I still believe it was and for that very reason, to show Joran has not one but TWO girls!   :roll:

It is just soooo Anita and she would totally miss that it looks so trashy.  Remember she talked about the co-ed slumber parties, too.

.


Right-On Anna ~ look everyone how sweet Joran can be to have two 13 year olds over for a pretend sleep over.. see he could never kill anyone and even these girls know that...so you should too.

And we would never stage photos in the VERY room where Natalee was taken.

Yeah right!


Exactly!  He's never drugged, raped and killed either one of these, see?  They are both still alive after spending the night in his apartment.  He is harmless as can be.

 :roll:

Exactly.  I agree with both of you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: IndyDan on May 08, 2007, 09:36:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO

You might be somewhat right, maybe not innocent-sweet but they both look way too young.  Neither one of them can be over 12.  So the question is, how do 2 preteen young girls end up this picture?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO


... not after they have been used ... taken advantage of ... by the likes of Joran and friends.  Pictures do not reveal the broken hearts and ... the tears that are shed when the realization sets in.

Janet

Good point Janet.  I doubt if Aline would be too hurt but Melody might.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:37:55 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO

You might be somewhat right, maybe not innocent-sweet but they both look way too young.  Neither one of them can be over 12.  So the question is, how do 2 preteen young girls end up this picture?


I'm fairly certain Aline is at least Joran's age.  Melody is about a year younger.  I'll find out after the thread change.  Neither one is under 16.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: robots on May 08, 2007, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Robots - will post after the thread change  :wink:


thanks

 :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Anna on May 08, 2007, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO

You might be somewhat right, maybe not innocent-sweet but they both look way too young.  Neither one of them can be over 12.  So the question is, how do 2 preteen young girls end up this picture?


Indy,
I'm pretty sure Melody is in high school.

Same way they get into bars??

It is so wrong and that must be one awful place to rear CHILDREN!

You are absolutely right, they are far too young to be into the bar, booze and sex scene!  

Makes me sick!  

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: Elaine on May 08, 2007, 09:39:28 PM
So Joran went with both of those girls, Right? At diff. times?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IndyDan"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Anna"
The one on the left is Melody.

.


One on the right is Aline - neither one is an innocent sweet young thing, IMO

You might be somewhat right, maybe not innocent-sweet but they both look way too young.  Neither one of them can be over 12.  So the question is, how do 2 preteen young girls end up this picture?


I'm fairly certain Aline is at least Joran's age.  Melody is about a year younger.  I'll find out after the thread change.  Neither one is under 16.


Aline is 19 right now and according to Melody's tickle site she is 21.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2007, 09:41:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/nowlocked.jpg)

Please move to LCD# 616

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1127


Title: Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
Post by: San on May 08, 2007, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Well, we aren't supposed to have seen all those photos of them out drunk with the rest of the gang!  We're supposed to think they are fine, sweet young things that Joran has never harmed because he wouldn't hurt a fly.

.

Exactly.  That's why Anita said in the interview Joran always brings girls home.  I said to myself why would she feel the need to say that. A lot of people believed that is where it took Natalee and she was trying to cover for her psycho son.

Message to Anita your own home and you allowed it.